| 00:01.58 | Mr_Rabies | what a quitter that kd3 |
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| 00:03.05 | chiel | hmm.. I guess I can put raid groups into another frame then UIParent, right? |
| 00:03.15 | chiel | should make things easier with centering I imagine... |
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| 00:04.46 | Mr_Rabies | i know that messing with the default raid frames is playing with fire |
| 00:05.08 | Mr_Rabies | that's about all i know about anything addon related :p |
| 00:07.19 | chiel | haha :p |
| 00:07.23 | chiel | nah, making own raid frames |
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| 00:21.00 | chiel | hmm ffs |
| 00:21.14 | chiel | I thought I fixed this bug, now it keeps giving errors again anytime someone joins group. |
| 00:21.44 | bleeter | OMG TEH INTERNETS ARE GOING TO DIE!!! http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/validator.w3.org |
| 00:22.20 | chiel | hm.. only when it's an instance group >.< |
| 00:22.23 | chiel | not regular group |
| 00:26.21 | chiel | if you don't give a frame dimensions, will it automatically scale to fit it's contents? |
| 00:33.09 | Semlar | VLAD |
| 00:33.27 | Semlar | chiel: no |
| 00:34.06 | Semlar | but its children aren't clipped or anything |
| 00:37.45 | TC-work | ...I just read a comment where some guy called it the '16 Chapel' |
| 00:38.08 | TC-work | oh humanity, please gdiaf |
| 00:39.04 | Mr_Rabies | man the 5.1 music owns |
| 00:39.26 | Mr_Rabies | you know when you've got good wow music when it has vocals |
| 00:41.04 | chiel | Semlar: :( |
| 00:41.58 | Semlar | a frame doesn't really need to resize to fit its contents |
| 00:42.59 | chiel | is a frame always the full size of the UIParent? |
| 00:43.41 | Semlar | no |
| 00:44.10 | Semlar | a frame's size doesn't have any impact on its children except how they're anchored |
| 00:48.33 | chiel | hm |
| 00:48.34 | chiel | fair enough |
| 00:49.13 | Semlar | well, for example if i have a 50x50 frame and anchor everything to its top left corner, it'll look the same as if i make it 500x500 pixels |
| 00:49.36 | Semlar | at least if i keep it anchored in the same spot |
| 00:50.26 | chiel | yeah fair enough |
| 00:50.52 | chiel | I just wanted to anchor stuff to the top left of a frame, but make that frame in turn anchor to the center of the UI parent, in the hope I'd center all the groups :p |
| 00:51.23 | Semlar | you'll have to offset them accordingly |
| 00:52.25 | Semlar | if you know how many frames you're making you can anchor them to the center at -half their total width |
| 00:52.37 | chiel | hmm yeah |
| 00:52.39 | chiel | fair enough then :) |
| 00:53.03 | Semlar | + whatever their normal offset would be |
| 00:55.01 | Semlar | now this was hard to get everything to line up for http://i.imgur.com/wrAof.jpg |
| 00:56.29 | Fisker | i cannot be stopped |
| 00:56.36 | Semlar | why not |
| 00:56.36 | TC-work | Semlar: 23 from the left 7 up, is that black dot supposed to be there? |
| 00:56.40 | Fisker | not sure |
| 00:57.05 | Semlar | anything that's there is part of the map |
| 00:57.32 | Semlar | there are actually a remarkable number of mistakes in the minimap textures |
| 00:58.22 | bleeter | RAAAAR |
| 00:58.27 | Semlar | the ones that are basically just all water got copy+paste'd and they all have a little sliver of land along the top left edge |
| 01:01.36 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/x4Peu.jpg if you ignore the rather blinding green of the missing textures here |
| 01:04.19 | Fisker | why are there red circles? |
| 01:04.30 | Semlar | because it's not that easy to see them |
| 01:07.18 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/2nH2V.jpg here this is better |
| 01:08.44 | Semlar | i don't know how they missed it but they're all over the place |
| 01:08.59 | Mr_Rabies | my favorite thing to do is argue about economics in trade chat |
| 01:09.11 | Mr_Rabies | "why is everything on the AH so expensive" people ask |
| 01:09.28 | Semlar | "because you touch yourself at night" you answer |
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| 01:12.38 | Semlar | no? |
| 01:12.42 | TC-work | no |
| 01:12.51 | Semlar | :( |
| 01:12.54 | TC-work | then prices would be astronomical |
| 01:16.09 | durcyn | it boggles the mind why the wow auction system still only has sell orders, not buy |
| 01:17.10 | nebula169 | yea, someone that started playing again after getting bored of gw2 was lamented that fact |
| 01:17.19 | nebula169 | lamenting, even |
| 01:18.46 | durcyn | and partial stack transactions while we're at it |
| 01:19.00 | durcyn | say what you will about EVE, its auction system is superb |
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| 01:45.47 | kd3 | hahaha |
| 01:45.57 | kd3 | "City life cahnges a druid. I used a flight path for the first time last week... and it was great." |
| 01:46.55 | Fisker | i didn't laugh |
| 01:50.16 | Mr_Rabies | i use flight paths everywhere |
| 01:50.20 | Mr_Rabies | because i can just alt tab out |
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| 01:53.38 | Dagmar | flight paths mean not coming back from the microwave to find your toon dead, way out in fatigue-land. |
| 01:54.18 | A-KO | Dagmar: truer words have never been spoken |
| 01:54.18 | Dagmar | Yer not even getting out of gres-ing that |
| 01:57.20 | kd3 | holy crap |
| 01:57.29 | kd3 | epicus maximus is one of the opponents in the brawler's guild |
| 01:57.33 | kd3 | sweet! |
| 01:57.58 | Dagmar | Seriously? Hehehehehe |
| 02:08.31 | Adys | ffs. |
| 02:08.55 | Adys | "Daily quests have been reset. The quest Dark Skies has been removed from your quest log." |
| 02:10.57 | kd3 | yah, got bit by that. peeved a bit |
| 02:12.00 | Adys | fuck me for trying to do achievements for these idiotic dailies am i right |
| 02:13.58 | kd3 | I've only got one left... zor'lok |
| 02:14.34 | kd3 | ...and I'm still trying to get Death From Above done in hyjal |
| 02:14.42 | bleeter | ~whaleslap Ackis |
| 02:14.42 | purl | ACTION beats Ackis upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 02:14.51 | bleeter | Ackis: will that do? |
| 02:24.08 | kd3 | ...plastic? on mars? |
| 02:24.10 | Seerah | bleeter: he didn't like my solution either :p |
| 02:24.11 | kd3 | holy crap |
| 02:24.24 | kd3 | er, hoax |
| 02:28.24 | Fisker | man |
| 02:28.32 | Fisker | these alliance can't even kill Ubunti the Shade |
| 02:32.56 | Fisker | looks like they gave up |
| 02:33.03 | Fisker | even tried 2 people |
| 02:33.06 | Fisker | still couldn't get him |
| 02:34.04 | bleeter | tests Seerah's solution on Ackis to be sure |
| 02:49.11 | Motig | maybe they just didn't want to kill him Fisker |
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| 03:07.10 | Arrowmaster | wow bards tale android app was just updated to include bards tale 2 and bards tale 3 |
| 03:07.52 | Dagmar | Cool |
| 03:08.22 | Arrowmaster | i still dont have enough free space on my n7 to install the hq version |
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| 03:14.01 | Dagmar | Being that those used to fit on a pair of 170k floppy disks, that's kind of sad. |
| 03:14.43 | Arrowmaster | well just the first game was 3.5gigs in the big hq version |
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| 03:22.52 | Seerah | Arrowmaster: yeah, the description said they were going to add those to it |
| 03:30.07 | kd3 | ah, crap |
| 03:30.11 | kd3 | hydross is still immune to frost |
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| 03:39.13 | bleeter | hah |
| 03:39.21 | bleeter | bet they made sure of that just for you |
| 03:43.09 | Thunder_Child | psht, he should have two specs |
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| 03:57.06 | karl_w_w | http://www.theage.com.au/digital-life/computers/windows-8-upgrade-boxes-mislead-customers-20121128-2acwx.html I called it |
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| 04:09.23 | lcd | 6 weeks rolling 4 times on epic weapons and nothing |
| 04:09.41 | lcd | 24 rolls all together |
| 04:09.44 | lcd | :/ |
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| 04:20.59 | lcd | Not sure if I want to keep doing this. |
| 04:21.03 | lcd | :/ |
| 04:21.28 | lcd | It takes away the fun factor. |
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| 04:26.15 | clever | karl_w_w: and thats one more reason i dont use windows as my primary system |
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| 04:40.48 | Arrowmaster | the sliding cover is a nice touch http://i.imgur.com/iVr5L.jpg |
| 04:52.22 | karl_w_w | only if it springs back |
| 04:55.58 | Cairenn | nice |
| 04:59.44 | pompy | http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=515626021790193&set=a.515583411794454.123247.130554466964019&type=1&comment_id=1647600&offset=0&total_comments=12 |
| 04:59.45 | pompy | lol |
| 05:05.54 | karl_w_w | dont call people morons pompy |
| 05:06.19 | karl_w_w | call them imbeciles |
| 05:07.35 | pompy | lol |
| 05:07.40 | pompy | that wasnt me' |
| 05:19.14 | Ackis | I'm trying to kill chromaggus and I got turned into a dragon and now I have to wait 5 minutes for the debuff to go off me until I can attempt him again |
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| 05:22.03 | kd3 | ...wth? http://imgur.com/tA1gr |
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| 05:31.42 | iShirik | Today's xkcd is sad :( |
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| 05:39.46 | pompy | http://floppytable.com/floppytable-images-1.html |
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| 05:52.12 | Scotepi | how can I view a item's link source code in chat? ie, if someone links me a item how can i see the code of the link? |
| 05:57.48 | Iriel | You could run /eventtrace and click the event? |
| 05:57.54 | Iriel | That should work |
| 05:58.23 | Iriel | Or grab the text from the buffer and /dump it |
| 05:58.56 | raffy | anyone know if there are any wow item websites that let you query some of the hidden item data (like the stat allocation weights required for item upgrades) by item id? |
| 05:59.07 | Scotepi | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:00.04 | Scotepi | not getting anything in /eventtrace either |
| 06:00.09 | iShirik | Put it in a string |
| 06:00.22 | iShirik | In double quotes |
| 06:00.23 | ccox | http://www.google-type.com/search/Warcraft |
| 06:00.58 | iShirik | Hi iriel |
| 06:01.15 | Iriel | Hi iShirik - did you get an apple makeover/ |
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| 06:01.39 | iShirik | Been a while now :p |
| 06:01.47 | Iriel | With the i? |
| 06:01.50 | Iriel | I've only just noticed it |
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| 06:02.01 | Scotepi | got it /run s="[link]" /dump s |
| 06:02.03 | iShirik | Oh I guess I don't log onto irc that much from it |
| 06:02.17 | iShirik | You don't need the s= |
| 06:02.21 | iShirik | Just dump that |
| 06:02.33 | Scotepi | k |
| 06:02.35 | Arrowmaster | just /dump "[link]" |
| 06:02.45 | Scotepi | has anyone decoded upgraded items yet? |
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| 06:26.51 | Scotepi | Playing around with real links in game I got this 0/1 = 451, 1/1 = 452, 0/2 = 445, 1/2 = 446, 2/2 = 447 |
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| 06:31.46 | karl_w_w | pretty sure that site doesnt actually use google directly, ccox |
| 06:33.02 | karl_w_w | there's only 4 variations on each letter, it seems |
| 06:36.46 | ccox | I suspect so as well, but didn't play around long enough to verify |
| 06:49.34 | Scotepi | gah! stupid upgradable items and no api support >< |
| 06:55.32 | karl_w_w | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b9/Meat_feast_parmo.jpg doesn't that just look revolting |
| 06:56.50 | Scotepi | yumm |
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| 07:18.18 | Adys | kd3: http://i.imgur.com/1yK0g.jpg |
| 07:19.19 | durcyn | hah, how long did that take to set up |
| 07:20.30 | Adys | durcyn: a couple weeks |
| 07:20.43 | Adys | not out of necessity |
| 07:20.44 | Adys | i just didnt care |
| 07:22.54 | raffy | i wish there was a way to query any items stat allocation :\ |
| 07:33.19 | Adys | So, this Echoing Fury currently has a bid for 7000 euro (22 billion gold) on d2jsp. Thoughts from /diablo? (self.Diablo) |
| 07:33.20 | Adys | .. |
| 07:34.58 | haste | chiel: the secure callback function isn't really meant to handle individual units, just the general secure stuff you need to do |
| 07:35.14 | haste | chiel: the unit passed is made general due to that, it basically just is what oUF think it is |
| 07:35.26 | haste | chiel: there might be some attributes you can use on the frame tho' |
| 07:43.30 | ccox | I think Blizz has some date/time problems: http://i.imgur.com/LEvgS.jpg |
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| 08:09.00 | Wobin | hm |
| 08:09.08 | Wobin | vash'jir is an 80 area |
| 08:09.11 | Wobin | what was the other one? |
| 08:09.15 | Wobin | or was there another one? |
| 08:09.29 | durcyn | ccox: we went over that yesterday =P |
| 08:09.54 | durcyn | ccox: BNGetFriendInfo suddenly shows a differential time instead of absolute epoch if they go offline during your current session |
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| 08:26.41 | Wobin | ah hyjal |
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| 08:58.18 | zenzio | man... 83-minute SC2 match o_O |
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| 09:51.35 | Vlad| | :D |
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| 10:01.40 | Vlad| | GatherMate2 needs a better "unknown map" trapping mechanism than errors, hehe. |
| 10:02.33 | Vlad| | Kemayo's QuestPointer notifies you that there are some missing maps and mentions the zones, instead of lua error spam. :3 |
| 10:02.53 | nevcairiel | what map is missing in gathermate? |
| 10:03.44 | nevcairiel | you're probably out of date again |
| 10:05.10 | Vlad| | yes |
| 10:05.13 | Vlad| | no I updated GM2 |
| 10:05.15 | Vlad| | :P |
| 10:05.23 | Vlad| | you got a ticket for it too |
| 10:05.28 | Vlad| | the new deeprun tram |
| 10:05.32 | Vlad| | is now a microdungeon |
| 10:05.47 | Vlad| | brawlers guild is in the lower levels, so it errors a lot when I enter ;D |
| 10:06.46 | nevcairiel | i'll look at it later |
| 10:07.00 | Vlad| | seems to be issue with LibMapData thingy |
| 10:07.02 | nevcairiel | doesnt sound like a missing map entry |
| 10:08.33 | Vlad| | maybe not, weird because questpointer I think maybe uses same lib no? |
| 10:08.37 | Vlad| | but it has no errors :P |
| 10:08.40 | Vlad| | or maybe I am mistaken hehe |
| 10:08.50 | nevcairiel | might not be an error in the lib :P |
| 10:09.04 | nevcairiel | i'll look when i get home |
| 10:09.21 | Vlad| | it's no hurry ;D |
| 10:09.52 | Vlad| | do you hate me nevcairiel? for keeping npcscanex updated |
| 10:10.02 | nevcairiel | why would i care |
| 10:10.09 | nevcairiel | i hate for you no reason in particular |
| 10:10.14 | Vlad| | :D |
| 10:10.17 | nevcairiel | hm words mixed up |
| 10:10.20 | nevcairiel | word order is hard |
| 10:10.41 | Vlad| | i don't hate you either for any reason in particular |
| 10:11.07 | Vlad| | does that mean you just dislike me for no reason? :P |
| 10:11.21 | Vlad| | "I don't hate you for any particular reason, but I don't like you either!" |
| 10:11.24 | Vlad| | sounds like that :P |
| 10:12.00 | nevcairiel | i wanted to write "i hate you for no reason in particular", i just flipped the you and for |
| 10:12.18 | nevcairiel | which means, i hate you, but i dont know why! |
| 10:12.18 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 10:13.01 | Vlad| | :P |
| 10:13.10 | Vlad| | probably because I am white |
| 10:13.39 | Vlad| | see what I did there? totally random and unexpected since usually you say black but I said white and it's soooo funny this way... |
| 10:13.43 | Vlad| | -_- |
| 10:14.20 | nevcairiel | not really |
| 10:14.51 | nevcairiel | i dont even know any black people personally, so i wouldnt know if thats a reason to hate them! |
| 10:15.23 | nevcairiel | also, on the internet we're all color-less |
| 10:15.33 | Vlad| | I don't think appearance has anything to do with how you behave :P |
| 10:15.45 | Vlad| | can be a jerk regardless of color |
| 10:16.19 | Vlad| | illegal danish |
| 10:16.25 | nevcairiel | so you're admitting to being a jerk? |
| 10:16.29 | Vlad| | :( |
| 10:16.38 | Vlad| | I think I can be sometimes without noticing |
| 10:16.56 | Vlad| | sometimes I can act weird without noticing at least, but I don't mean to be mean or an ass :P |
| 10:17.20 | Vlad| | I just happen to act like that sometimes, just tell me so I can do something about it when it happens |
| 10:17.47 | nevcairiel | you seem to have given that some thought before :p |
| 10:17.56 | Vlad| | yes! |
| 10:18.26 | Vlad| | I think one of my friends avoid me because I was told by another, I acted lame some time ago so he stopped caring and hanging out with me :P |
| 10:19.13 | Vlad| | so point is, tell the person directly when someone acts in a negative way |
| 10:19.23 | Vlad| | I myself prefer direct approach than indirect hints |
| 10:19.30 | Vlad| | usually too busy to notice the subtle hints :P |
| 10:20.49 | Vlad| | oh well |
| 10:21.37 | Vlad| | everyone has their characters, and sometimes your friends can act in ways you don't like, so it's important to say it and help them change, if you just avoid them at all then you are just not caring in your friendship and that's fine, but that's the lazy way to "fix" the problem |
| 10:22.55 | Vlad| | what about you nevcairiel, are your friendships perfect? :P |
| 10:23.22 | nevcairiel | friendships....? |
| 10:23.25 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 10:23.35 | Vlad| | you know, other humans |
| 10:23.42 | Vlad| | you don't have intercourse with them, but you know them |
| 10:24.06 | Vlad| | someone you know can piss you off but you tolerate their behavior and try help them learn from their mistakes and such |
| 10:25.59 | Vlad| | each time I want to do the horde quests related to pet battling I have to keep relogging my 55 DK to accept the quests and login back on my main ally for the rewards -_- |
| 10:26.00 | Vlad| | sooo lame |
| 10:26.30 | Vlad| | I was hoping they'd make it so you can continue the quests on any faction, the npcs are friendly anyway :P |
| 10:27.09 | Vlad| | I know you are working nevcairiel so take your time ^^ |
| 10:33.58 | Vlad| | nevcairiel: what IDE do you use? |
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| 10:40.01 | nevcairiel | for? |
| 10:42.39 | AcidWeb | If anybody think about buying BG:EE - don't. |
| 10:42.49 | AcidWeb | Modded GoG version is better and cheaper. |
| 10:44.14 | Vlad| | lua :P |
| 10:45.11 | mitch0 | vim |
| 10:49.51 | Vlad| | :< |
| 10:50.07 | mitch0 | ? |
| 10:50.29 | Vlad| | nevcairiel uses vim? |
| 10:50.38 | Vlad| | I haven't been bothered to learn vim properly :P |
| 10:50.41 | Vlad| | just tried it a little |
| 10:51.16 | mitch0 | erm, I dunno about nev, but real coders use vi(m) ;) |
| 10:52.54 | Vlad| | downloading with 8.5MB sec :D |
| 10:53.06 | Vlad| | downloaded eclipse :P |
| 10:53.26 | Vlad| | gonna see if I can write DSL for lua on it |
| 10:53.28 | Vlad| | :P |
| 11:00.10 | mitch0 | there's some lua ide for NetBeans afaik (someone here wrote that) |
| 11:01.29 | Vlad| | hmm |
| 11:01.31 | Vlad| | I saw there is a update |
| 11:01.36 | Vlad| | for 7.2 :P |
| 11:01.50 | Vlad| | but it's so tiny lol |
| 11:02.02 | Vlad| | and my gripe with these type of modules that are made into jars |
| 11:02.07 | Vlad| | is that you can't expand on the API -_- |
| 11:02.45 | mitch0 | I'm pretty sure the source is available somewhere, too |
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| 11:06.13 | mitch0 | ah, it's for idea |
| 11:06.34 | mitch0 | https://bitbucket.org/sylvanaar2/lua-for-idea/wiki/Home |
| 11:07.42 | foxlit | http://luaeclipse.luaforge.net/screenshots.html |
| 11:07.54 | foxlit | http://www.eclipse.org/koneki/ldt/ |
| 11:07.54 | nevcairiel | vim is for people afraid of their mouse |
| 11:08.40 | nevcairiel | I use eclipse only for Java development, a simple text editor with syntax highlighting like Notepad++ is all i need for Lua |
| 11:08.42 | lcd | is terrified of mice. |
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| 11:11.06 | Vlad| | why would you say that lcd? |
| 11:12.56 | Vlad| | also I am aware of intellisinc something IDEA, luaeclipse is from 2008 :P |
| 11:13.05 | Vlad| | 2008 means old api means compiled code that yeah :p |
| 11:13.32 | Vlad| | was trying to find a IDE that supports custom language creation but it doesn't appear to be so simple hehe |
| 11:14.29 | nevcairiel | adding new languages into IntelliJ is pretty easy, but you do need to write a proper plugin to do it |
| 11:16.57 | Vlad| | in my mind I have this idea for the IDE = syntaxFile -> plugin -> IDE -> coder |
| 11:17.08 | Vlad| | syntaxFile = plain text :P |
| 11:17.27 | Vlad| | ideally skipping the plugin part if the IDE supports it but so far no luck :3 |
| 11:19.30 | foxlit | are you opposed to plain text being C? |
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| 11:52.55 | Vlad| | no I WANT a IDE that supports custom language definition in plain text |
| 11:53.07 | Vlad| | so you can easily for instance keep lua updated with new API without having to compile :D |
| 11:53.32 | Vlad| | btw here is something that will make you tear your hair out: http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/246468-addon-|-script-disable-red-action-bars/ this "addon" is on the front page of mmochampion :P |
| 12:00.51 | Vlad| | so what do you think of that epic coding? let me pastey it for you: http://pastebin.com/FE2ZKHgJ |
| 12:01.19 | Vlad| | global f oh yes :P also it only covers the default ActionBarActionEventsFrame.frames so kind of pointless :P |
| 12:05.07 | foxlit | Vlad|: "plain text" is not plain text, I'm afraid. |
| 12:06.13 | foxlit | You can't accurately describe a language by throwing a collection of words at it -- you *need* some sort of grammar for your language specification, at which point it might as well be Lisp. |
| 12:06.43 | zenzio | yup |
| 12:07.00 | zenzio | if you're happy with dumb word highlighting,then programs like Notepad++ should suffice |
| 12:09.16 | Vlad| | plain text means you can open it in notepad and write it up |
| 12:09.24 | Vlad| | you can define the structure in plain text |
| 12:09.30 | nevcairiel | you can do that with C :P |
| 12:09.39 | Vlad| | my point is you have to compile C |
| 12:09.47 | nevcairiel | the tool could do that for you :p |
| 12:09.49 | Vlad| | wouldn't it be easier having it so you don't have to compile it each change? |
| 12:10.16 | Vlad| | ;) |
| 12:10.27 | Vlad| | oh btw |
| 12:10.50 | foxlit | There are C interpreters, you know. |
| 12:11.25 | Vlad| | yeah |
| 12:11.29 | foxlit | so conceivably you wouldn't even have to have a separate compiler for your defined-in-C languages. |
| 12:11.56 | Vlad| | but it's better for the user to have to only update the definitions file with what ever text editor they please to use, and have the plugin or IDE do the rest of the work |
| 12:12.16 | Vlad| | i.e. your plugin would only have to take the syntaxes you use and convert it in a way the IDE understands it |
| 12:12.33 | Vlad| | no compiling bullshit when you wanna change or add new functions and such :P |
| 12:13.06 | nevcairiel | Luas syntax probaby fits on a napkin |
| 12:13.53 | foxlit | none of that is precluded by having you edit a C file in an editor of your choice and then instruct a plugin to interpret that. |
| 12:14.03 | Vlad| | yeah that's true |
| 12:14.09 | Vlad| | not sure why it has to be C but yeah sure :P |
| 12:14.35 | foxlit | Or even just have the plugin run the compiler on your behalf. |
| 12:14.37 | Vlad| | I wrote a grammar interpreter and validator in some other tool with another syntax, thing is what the syntax is isn't my gripe, my gripe is that there is no IDE made to be so flexible :P |
| 12:15.20 | Vlad| | they have X set of languages they support and if you wanna add more then you have to compile plugins and each time you wish to update and add more API you have to re-compile and such, so much work for so simple task |
| 12:16.31 | foxlit | I still don't see why you're blaming the editors when it's clearly the plugins' functionality you find deficient. |
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| 12:18.15 | Vlad| | I don't blame the IDE, just that by now no one has made this functionality more common. |
| 12:18.30 | Vlad| | IDE are built around certain languages instead of having the option to easily add language support :P |
| 12:18.37 | Vlad| | if you can understand what I try to say |
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| 12:21.39 | Vlad| | by the way |
| 12:22.05 | Vlad| | in lua can you alter the core functionality of any widget object for all creates frames of that type at once? |
| 12:22.43 | Vlad| | i.e. if you wish to make it so all frame objects have a new function but affect all creates frames and all frames created in the future, do you have to iterate trough it all or can you modify it in some other way? |
| 12:22.44 | nevcairiel | you can fuss with a frames metatable which in theory affects all frames of that frame type, but its probably not a very good idea |
| 12:23.16 | Vlad| | can you hooksecure using metatables? |
| 12:23.21 | Vlad| | i.e. avoid taint? |
| 12:23.42 | nevcairiel | adding new functions into the table always taints |
| 12:23.53 | nevcairiel | you can only hook existing stuff :p |
| 12:25.11 | Vlad| | even when hooksecurefunc? |
| 12:25.23 | Vlad| | hooksecurefunc(getmetatable(ActionButton1.cooldown), "SetLossOfControlCooldown", function(self, s, d) if s ~= 0 and d ~= 0 then self:SetLossOfControlCooldown(0, 0) end end) |
| 12:25.25 | Vlad| | something like that |
| 12:25.33 | Vlad| | to affect all existing and all to-be-made cooldown frames |
| 12:25.52 | Vlad| | so when you run the SLOCC function your hook would execute right after and override it |
| 12:26.01 | nevcairiel | thats not adding a new function, thats changing an existing one |
| 12:26.10 | Vlad| | ehm |
| 12:26.15 | Vlad| | I am not changing it |
| 12:26.25 | Vlad| | hooksecurefunc executes your code after the function has run |
| 12:26.29 | Vlad| | ran* lol |
| 12:26.59 | nevcairiel | hooks still change the existing function |
| 12:27.06 | nevcairiel | because a hook wrapper is added |
| 12:27.23 | Vlad| | hmm |
| 12:27.27 | Vlad| | but it won't taint? |
| 12:27.33 | nevcairiel | who knows |
| 12:27.35 | Vlad| | otherwise why would you have a hooksecurefunc :P |
| 12:27.41 | Vlad| | you can even hook the movement API with it |
| 12:27.43 | Vlad| | you can still move |
| 12:27.43 | Vlad| | :D |
| 12:27.55 | nevcairiel | why dont you check how something like OmniCC hooks the normal cooldowns for adding the count |
| 12:27.59 | nevcairiel | it works for like all buttons |
| 12:29.08 | Vlad| | hmm |
| 12:29.36 | Vlad| | rate this code 1 to 10 |
| 12:29.38 | Vlad| | hooksecurefunc(getmetatable(ActionButton1.cooldown), "SetLossOfControlCooldown", function(self, _, _, pass) if pass ~= true then self:SetLossOfControlCooldown(0, 0, 1) end end) |
| 12:29.56 | Vlad| | oh wait, but yes you get the idea :P |
| 12:30.20 | nevcairiel | the first attempt without the extra parameter was beter |
| 12:30.52 | Vlad| | yeah |
| 12:30.56 | Vlad| | but it would ehm, recursion? |
| 12:31.30 | nevcairiel | if you only call it when the values are non-zero, it would just quit after the first recursion |
| 12:31.56 | Vlad| | yes |
| 12:32.00 | Vlad| | ^^ |
| 12:32.03 | Vlad| | I agree |
| 12:32.05 | Vlad| | but |
| 12:32.12 | Vlad| | I wanted to leave the option to buypass this |
| 12:32.16 | Vlad| | if you REALLY wanna show the cooldown :P |
| 12:32.29 | nevcairiel | sounds like i'll be adding the parameter to bartender then! |
| 12:32.30 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 12:32.39 | Vlad| | i.e. block all by default (but if third param is there then allow it) |
| 12:32.39 | Vlad| | hehe |
| 12:33.10 | Vlad| | yeah well there is overiding the bare default behavior and there is being a jerk and overriding other peoples preferences xD |
| 12:35.21 | Vlad| | gonna test hooksecurefunc(getmetatable(ActionButton1.cooldown).__index, "SetLossOfControlCooldown", function(self, _, _, arg) if arg ~= true then self:SetLossOfControlCooldown(0, 0, true) end end) and see how it works |
| 12:35.34 | Vlad| | after reloadui |
| 12:35.41 | Vlad| | your bartender won't properly control the vehicle anymore |
| 12:35.46 | Vlad| | i.e. pet battle, you /reloadui in the battle |
| 12:35.57 | Vlad| | your hotkeys no longer fire the pet UI buttons |
| 12:36.04 | Vlad| | since you mentioned bartender, nevcairiel :P |
| 12:36.12 | nevcairiel | why would you reloadui in the middel of a battle? |
| 12:36.32 | Vlad| | *shrug* |
| 12:36.35 | nevcairiel | when i tested that, reloadui in a pet battle actually canceled the battle |
| 12:36.42 | nevcairiel | but that was in mop beta |
| 12:36.45 | Vlad| | not since beta |
| 12:36.45 | Vlad| | yeah |
| 12:36.46 | Vlad| | I know |
| 12:36.47 | kagaro | Vlad| i fixed libmapdata issue with the brawlers pub |
| 12:37.06 | Vlad| | but they changed it so you remain in battle, it's more durable and less prone to DC and such |
| 12:37.10 | Vlad| | cool kagaro :D |
| 12:37.19 | Vlad| | btw at login |
| 12:37.19 | Vlad| | LibMapData-1.0 is missing data for area id Krasarang_terrain1 |
| 12:37.20 | Vlad| | LibMapData-1.0 is missing data for Krasarang_terrain1 |
| 12:37.33 | Vlad| | not sure who maintains the lib but |
| 12:37.37 | nevcairiel | i heard rumors that is fixed |
| 12:37.39 | Vlad| | in case its one of you guys :3 |
| 12:39.48 | Vlad| | yeah I am updating my addons regulary |
| 12:39.56 | Vlad| | authors release updates randomly so hard to update all at once ;D |
| 12:44.36 | Vlad| | btw how can you get rid of the flash when a CD finishes? |
| 12:45.59 | Vlad| | not a biggie, but SetLossOfControlCooldown(0,0) still runs the flash :p |
| 12:49.59 | kagaro | i just tagged a new release so you will get the latest lib and i maintain it. |
| 12:56.03 | Vlad| | <3 |
| 12:56.10 | Vlad| | I am just trying to help btw |
| 12:56.19 | Vlad| | in case you guys don't notice some things :) |
| 12:57.32 | karl_w_w | Vlad|! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P61upTMzWLM |
| 12:58.14 | kagaro | ive been busy with work this week and havent had a chance to login is all |
| 12:58.38 | Vlad| | I understand |
| 12:59.28 | Vlad| | not sure what I am watching karl but thanks :P |
| 12:59.36 | Vlad| | has a beat |
| 12:59.37 | karl_w_w | lol |
| 13:03.02 | Vlad| | funky |
| 13:03.09 | Kalrth | Vlad|: youll like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zaa79u9zbP0 then! |
| 13:03.21 | Vlad| | oh disco :P |
| 13:03.41 | Vlad| | I have no problems with disco like stuff, hehe :P |
| 13:04.03 | Kalrth | this isnt regular disco, son |
| 13:04.04 | Vlad| | not traditional tough |
| 13:04.08 | Vlad| | yeah I noticed |
| 13:04.21 | Vlad| | disco on crack |
| 13:07.09 | karl_w_w | no beat Kalrth |
| 13:07.18 | karl_w_w | its baaaad |
| 13:07.25 | Kalrth | what! |
| 13:07.39 | karl_w_w | baaa |
| 13:08.26 | Kalrth | this is bad karl, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sU_S7ho9qcg#t=47s |
| 13:08.31 | Kalrth | the disco disaster isnt! |
| 13:09.55 | Vlad| | wub wub wub wub |
| 13:10.04 | Vlad| | trance? |
| 13:10.15 | Kalrth | no that is dumbstep |
| 13:10.30 | Vlad| | aha |
| 13:10.35 | Vlad| | wub wub wub wub |
| 13:10.35 | Vlad| | :P |
| 13:10.39 | Vlad| | hilarious |
| 13:10.52 | Kalrth | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzD0GArcuXs better beats in this one! |
| 13:16.03 | Vlad| | "Viscidus, Twin Emperors, C'Thun, Al'ar and Reliquary of Souls should be easier to kill now. The developers applied a hotfix during the night. So, if you haven't gone to C'Thun yet today, you should!" |
| 13:16.11 | Vlad| | I tried Viscidus yesterday |
| 13:16.22 | Kalrth | did you bring poison resist gear |
| 13:16.39 | Vlad| | I brought a frost weapon :P |
| 13:17.47 | Vlad| | I wonder if someone managed saurfang :P |
| 13:17.58 | Vlad| | I couldn't keep up his insane heals as tank hehe, and he does hurt some too ;3 |
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| 13:22.16 | bleeter | MENTALPOWER WHERE ARE YOU!? :( |
| 13:22.30 | bleeter | maybe I should try other networks |
| 13:22.38 | bleeter | bah there is only IRC |
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| 13:27.09 | Vlad| | :P |
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| 13:32.46 | Vlad| | hi Lopeppeppy |
| 13:33.14 | Vlad| | dingleberry |
| 13:33.51 | Lopeppeppy | Endearing. |
| 13:35.48 | Vlad| | george carlin |
| 13:35.50 | Vlad| | :D |
| 13:35.58 | Vlad| | "sounds rather christmasy to me" |
| 13:35.58 | Vlad| | :3 |
| 13:36.15 | Vlad| | ~wiki dingleberry |
| 13:36.22 | Vlad| | ~define dingleberry |
| 13:36.22 | purl | Use ~dict for definitions. |
| 13:36.39 | Vlad| | :P |
| 13:36.40 | Kalrth | it's more Christ-assy than Christmassy |
| 13:37.00 | Vlad| | what was that? lol |
| 13:37.26 | Kalrth | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dingleberry |
| 13:37.51 | Vlad| | I googled and it said "A particle of fecal matter attached to the anal hair." delicious :P |
| 13:38.14 | Vlad| | btw, retrying the ooze in AQ, wish me luck! http://i.imgur.com/DKifs.jpg |
| 13:38.28 | mitch0 | and now your search habits will be forever rememberd by google |
| 13:38.33 | Vlad| | :D |
| 13:39.22 | mitch0 | expect loads of wet-toilet-paper ads :) |
| 13:39.43 | Vlad| | :D |
| 13:39.50 | Vlad| | or lots of rectum related medical ads |
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| 13:43.47 | Vlad| | yes they fixed aq40 |
| 13:44.08 | Vlad| | but no pet drop from vicidus |
| 13:44.10 | Vlad| | next week :p |
| 13:44.18 | Vlad| | gonna try kaelthas soon |
| 13:44.43 | Vlad| | only thing keeping me from having fun in the old raids was the demoralization when I had to find someone to raid up with me |
| 14:14.59 | karl_w_w | playing an mmorpg with somebody else? it's a fuckin outrage |
| 14:16.56 | Kalrth | people are assholes! |
| 14:17.26 | karl_w_w | have* |
| 14:17.37 | Kalrth | are* |
| 14:17.51 | karl_w_w | "have are are!" |
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| 14:18.15 | Kalrth | you sound like a pirate |
| 14:18.16 | SuperPortia | Hello all |
| 14:18.19 | Kalrth | are are |
| 14:18.37 | SuperPortia | I try |
| 14:21.05 | SuperPortia | So is submitting an add-on to Curse pretty straightforward and is there anywhere else I should be submitting it? |
| 14:23.07 | Lopeppeppy | http://www.wowinterface.com/ has always been my go-to site. |
| 14:24.30 | SuperPortia | Is there any reason to limit yourself to just one site? |
| 14:25.00 | nevcairiel | lazyness |
| 14:25.07 | SuperPortia | gotcha |
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| 14:31.16 | SuperPortia | I'm not sure I should come up with a clever name or not. |
| 14:31.34 | SuperPortia | Or whatever. |
| 14:31.49 | SuperPortia | Or just make the name seem exactly like what the addon does |
| 14:31.52 | Vlad| | community |
| 14:31.57 | Lopeppeppy | If it's clever, let it at least also be descriptive. Zoomla doesn't tell me what your addon does. PriestBless sure does. |
| 14:32.12 | SuperPortia | Right now it's MountFavorites |
| 14:32.39 | Lopeppeppy | Sounds like a harem-management tool. :) |
| 14:33.00 | SuperPortia | Well that would probably get banned, so no. |
| 14:34.13 | SuperPortia | Though that might get people to at least look at it |
| 14:35.24 | SuperPortia | Can you get mount data for mounts you don't have like you can get it for pets you don't have? |
| 14:35.41 | Ressy | no |
| 14:36.32 | SuperPortia | So basically if I want the data, I need to raid something like Akis |
| 14:36.37 | Ressy | :) |
| 14:36.49 | Ressy | Collectinator |
| 14:36.58 | SuperPortia | That would the the "like Akia" |
| 14:37.03 | SuperPortia | *Akis |
| 14:37.21 | Ressy | If you grab the 2.0 branch of Collectinator, it has all mounts ready. |
| 14:37.26 | Ressy | We're just finishing up the pets |
| 14:37.37 | SuperPortia | Oh, do you work on Collectinator |
| 14:37.40 | SuperPortia | ? |
| 14:37.50 | Ressy | Ackis, Torhal, Pompy and myself |
| 14:38.00 | SuperPortia | Cool |
| 14:38.29 | znf | lies, pompy slacks |
| 14:38.46 | SuperPortia | I was hoping to integrate with Collectinator to show the unearned mounts in teh mounts screen with the Collectinator data similar to how you can do it with the Pets |
| 14:39.13 | Ressy | znf: Right now, we're all slacking. |
| 14:39.27 | SuperPortia | So if you have Collectinator you would get this view as well. |
| 14:39.43 | znf | well, pompy is double slacking |
| 14:40.19 | SuperPortia | Would you be alright with that? |
| 14:40.20 | Ressy | All mounts are ready. Pets are in.. I'm going through and adding co-ords for wild pets in each zone. |
| 14:52.18 | znf | even the ones from 5.1? :P |
| 14:52.37 | Ressy | eh. Doubtful |
| 14:52.54 | znf | they added new wild pets :P |
| 14:53.32 | Ressy | big surprise there.. oh well. |
| 14:53.53 | Ressy | Its a good thing Ackis & Torhal added the function to datamine info from the petjournal. |
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| 15:11.51 | Lopeppeppy | Argh. Heard *3* seconds of "Santa Baby" in the car this morning. CANNOT get it out of my head. |
| 15:12.09 | karl_w_w | psht |
| 15:12.14 | karl_w_w | terrible song |
| 15:12.20 | karl_w_w | even for a christmas song |
| 15:13.32 | alestane | Annoying, but I can stand it, particularly the Urtha Kitt version... "The Christmas Shoes" is the one I cannot abide. |
| 15:13.34 | Cairenn | oh poo on you karl_w_w, it's a fun song |
| 15:13.52 | Lopeppeppy | Dominic the friggin' Donkey needs to die. |
| 15:14.23 | zenzio | hey, at least it's not "Last christmas" |
| 15:14.25 | Cairenn | Lopeppeppy: here's a different one for you, guaranteed to get Santa Baby out of your head (blame d.olby) |
| 15:14.27 | Cairenn | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJNR2EpS0jw#! |
| 15:14.53 | Cairenn | although I know you won't actually get to listen to it until you get home tonight |
| 15:15.26 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, yeah, I love the Dumb Ways to Die. |
| 15:15.41 | Cairenn | It's so fucking catchy! Omg |
| 15:16.25 | Lopeppeppy | I also love the 50 Ways to Say Goodbye song by Train. "She met a shark underwater, fell and noone caught her..." |
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| 15:17.19 | Lopeppeppy | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSBFehvLJDc |
| 15:19.41 | Cairenn | hahahhahaha |
| 15:20.37 | Fisker | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
| 15:21.09 | karl_w_w | worst of all christmas songs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjmGbI-Mnys |
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| 15:23.50 | Cairenn | The uploader has not made this video available in your country. :( |
| 15:24.13 | karl_w_w | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7lKKNrXUJg |
| 15:24.18 | karl_w_w | same thing |
| 15:24.54 | Cairenn | This video contains content from EMI, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds. |
| 15:25.21 | karl_w_w | haha |
| 15:25.25 | Cairenn | heh |
| 15:25.25 | karl_w_w | damn emi! |
| 15:25.48 | karl_w_w | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGzMFpuK9MQ |
| 15:25.56 | Cairenn | ^^ |
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| 15:27.20 | SuperPortia | Morning again |
| 15:30.05 | karl_w_w | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qit3ALTelOo ok something good instead |
| 15:30.19 | Cairenn | hehhe |
| 15:32.48 | alestane | And when you just need to improve your mood: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMWi7CLoZ2Q |
| 15:33.29 | Cairenn | lol |
| 15:34.14 | Cairenn | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbyj1F3L518 |
| 15:34.57 | Cairenn | ah, there's the full one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzbcuwtFCJQ |
| 15:47.17 | Vlad| | hi Cair |
| 15:47.25 | Vlad| | or do you prefer Cairenn? |
| 15:47.42 | Cairenn | either's fine, although only Cairenn pings me |
| 15:50.03 | Vlad| | :D |
| 15:52.05 | Cairenn | Well, to be exact, only using whatever nick I currently have active pings me |
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| 15:54.12 | Vlad| | plugin options had an option so I can write different nicks so I did :D |
| 15:54.14 | Vlad| | pings on "Vlad" too |
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| 15:54.42 | Lopeppeppy | snorgles Cairenn the Wonderful with pings aplenty. |
| 15:54.55 | Cairenn | I can't do that, though, or every time nevcairiel was pinged, I'd get pinged too |
| 15:55.00 | Cairenn | smoogles Lopeppeppy |
| 15:58.39 | karl_w_w | ping all the things! |
| 15:59.47 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr. |
| 16:02.27 | mitch0 | Cairennnienna |
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| 16:05.42 | Cairenn | lol |
| 16:06.56 | Vlad| | bleh! http://i.imgur.com/0gUee.jpg |
| 16:07.00 | Vlad| | tagged mob looks like warlock |
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| 16:27.22 | karl_w_w | lol there is a cap on lesser charms of good fortune |
| 16:27.29 | karl_w_w | 1,000,000 |
| 16:27.42 | SuperPortia | Well that's likely not to come up. |
| 16:27.47 | karl_w_w | well |
| 16:28.12 | karl_w_w | i have a thousand |
| 16:28.22 | SuperPortia | After several weeks |
| 16:28.25 | karl_w_w | and i stopped doing dailies a while ago now |
| 16:28.36 | SuperPortia | Let's say 200 dailies a day |
| 16:28.52 | karl_w_w | there's about 60 dailies that give them |
| 16:28.59 | karl_w_w | maybe a couple more |
| 16:29.12 | karl_w_w | so 200 per day |
| 16:29.23 | SuperPortia | 1M/200 = 5k days |
| 16:29.37 | SuperPortia | or about 15 years |
| 16:29.46 | karl_w_w | see |
| 16:29.48 | karl_w_w | nothing |
| 16:29.58 | karl_w_w | I'll be there next week! |
| 16:30.14 | SuperPortia | I think they're good. |
| 16:30.56 | karl_w_w | wtf, ruby tuesday is a stones song |
| 16:31.20 | SuperPortia | Isn't everything from the 60's and 70's a stones song? |
| 16:31.25 | SuperPortia | bbl |
| 16:31.26 | karl_w_w | and i thought they only made bad songs |
| 16:31.33 | karl_w_w | this news has rocked me to the core |
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| 16:38.32 | Vlad| | half-life 3? |
| 16:43.10 | Vlad| | wonder if they release hl3 when they make the next gen source engine |
| 16:43.27 | Stanzilla | (yes) |
| 16:43.28 | Vlad| | would be a epic way to introduce the new engine at least :P |
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| 16:43.46 | Vlad| | atm I feel the unreal engine is quite good, seen it everywhere... |
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| 16:45.44 | Vlad| | booting up black mesa for fun ;) |
| 16:45.52 | Vlad| | gonna play the last levels in chapter 3 |
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| 17:01.38 | karl_w_w | Vlad|: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBEOoQbA7BY |
| 17:01.39 | karl_w_w | haha |
| 17:02.55 | Vlad| | I've actually heard it before :p |
| 17:07.42 | karl_w_w | side note: i dont know of a singer with a better live singing voice |
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| 17:28.04 | Fisker | so jnwhiteh |
| 17:28.12 | Fisker | when do you think germany goes apeshit over ingress? |
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| 17:40.28 | SuperPortia | I'm amazed at the number of people who are just in here, but don't actually talk regularly. I guess they're too busy working at their jobs or on addons |
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| 17:43.17 | ZorbaTHut | my addon development career is mostly retired now, but I hang out here to watch out for any new addon developments :) |
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| 17:45.56 | Lopeppeppy | Sometimes being part of a community isn't about talking, but listening. |
| 17:47.18 | SuperPortia | Mine's just starting. |
| 17:47.19 | SuperPortia | What did you work on? |
| 17:47.37 | ZorbaTHut | I was the QuestHelper developer through all of Wrath |
| 17:48.14 | n00bwork | my hero <3 |
| 17:48.23 | ZorbaTHut | now I work at Trion Worlds on Rift, with one of my many hats being the lead addon API developer :) |
| 17:48.36 | n00bwork | that's pretty cool |
| 17:48.39 | n00bwork | do you still play WoW? |
| 17:48.54 | Ressy | ZorbaTHut: You responded to one of my tickets on QH about a memory leak. |
| 17:48.56 | ZorbaTHut | not really. Limited time, and it kinda stopped gripping me. |
| 17:49.11 | ZorbaTHut | ressy, oh man, QH had so many of those. I think I fixed 'em, eventually |
| 17:49.32 | n00bwork | MoP killed wow for me. i raided in cata and now you have to spend so much time doing dailies and stuff. got to be a job |
| 17:49.57 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, that's what I heard. I stopped in early Cata, really |
| 17:49.59 | n00bwork | soo i quit the raiding team and now am pretty happy. i never did finish my trade skill addon though |
| 17:50.09 | SuperPortia | I think the dailies is why I switched to developing addons |
| 17:50.09 | Mr_Rabies | the daily stuff is kind of misleading though |
| 17:50.36 | Mr_Rabies | even if you do every daily every day, it's still gonna take like 22 weeks to get all the vp gear because of the vp cap |
| 17:50.37 | SuperPortia | I still haven't finished Klaxxi, Shado-Pan or Anglers. I don't feel the need. |
| 17:50.47 | n00bwork | Mr_Rabies: true but it's the vp cap now too |
| 17:50.58 | n00bwork | vp capping is more tedious than it ever was |
| 17:51.02 | n00bwork | especially if you raid |
| 17:51.08 | Mr_Rabies | vp needs to be easier to obtain, yeah |
| 17:51.11 | Mr_Rabies | as a raider at least |
| 17:51.14 | n00bwork | that's my main gripe |
| 17:51.32 | Mr_Rabies | right now i get like, 20 vp per boss, if even :| |
| 17:51.36 | n00bwork | we'd raid 2 nights a week, then need 3-4 for lfr + valor capping, taking work and needing to go to bed into account |
| 17:51.42 | SuperPortia | That's why I don't worry about it. I'm not in a race for the mounts, so why do I care about the reputation except in the long term. |
| 17:51.53 | n00bwork | sorry, not 3-4, 2-3 |
| 17:52.00 | Mr_Rabies | i'm glad that it takes some time to gear up if you're not raiding, though |
| 17:52.04 | ZorbaTHut | the classic MMO design is going through some growing pains right now. it's sort of been a natural evolution since the old everquest days. now they're trying to figure out how to keep people from progressing too quickly, so you don't have one group of people clamoring for a new raid three weeks in and a second group of people unable to beat the raid after three months |
| 17:52.19 | ZorbaTHut | things like the VP cap were one attempted solution, but personally they seem pretty awful to me |
| 17:52.34 | SuperPortia | My guild is still working on the first raid. First two bosses down regularly. |
| 17:53.03 | Mr_Rabies | there's an addon to help with totems for gara'jal if that's your holdup on him |
| 17:53.18 | Mr_Rabies | that was our bottleneck |
| 17:53.35 | n00bwork | that's kind of nice. we just screamed a lot at each other until people went in |
| 17:53.54 | Mr_Rabies | we lost our raid captain so we lost a lot of instant raid-awareness |
| 17:54.09 | Mr_Rabies | addon somewhat replaced him, though it doesn't always pick healers right |
| 17:54.35 | SuperPortia | I'm in no hurry to get past it. |
| 17:54.50 | n00bwork | we actually just quit raiding after our last raid on wednesday |
| 17:55.10 | SuperPortia | The game's really not that hard in most places. Coordinating with other people for raids is pretty much all there is in the truly difficult department and I'm in no hurry to end that. |
| 17:55.20 | SuperPortia | Why'd you quit? |
| 17:55.38 | foxlit | Since LFR, I feel uncompelled to do non-LFR raiding. |
| 17:55.46 | Mr_Rabies | whoa |
| 17:56.03 | Mr_Rabies | since lfr, i've never hated the rest of the playerbase more |
| 17:56.15 | n00bwork | SuperPortia: the time commitment. we'd raid 2 nights a week and need an extra 2-3 nights on top of that to finish lfr/valor capping |
| 17:56.26 | n00bwork | you'd get 1, maybe 2 days off a week from wow |
| 17:56.29 | n00bwork | it was a job |
| 17:56.37 | SuperPortia | Yeah I stopped valor capping and I do some LFR, but not everything. |
| 17:56.50 | n00bwork | and now with 5.1 gear upgrades via valor points, valor capping is even more important |
| 17:57.13 | n00bwork | and on top of that, if you spent a night or week progressing rather than farming bosses valor was 2x-3x as hard to obtain because you didn't get it from raiding |
| 17:57.21 | n00bwork | a night a week* |
| 17:57.27 | foxlit | It seems pointless -- I don't particularly need raid gear, and briefly seeing content is more interesting than raid progression |
| 17:57.37 | Mr_Rabies | not to me |
| 17:57.48 | foxlit | Wiping because of other people in your raid seems unfun to me. |
| 17:57.50 | Mr_Rabies | i love the progression fight-learning |
| 17:57.52 | SuperPortia | See I used to be a professional pugger who didn't raid and so I just kind of got used to the idea of not having good gear. So I don't feel the urge to do so and my main has the second highest gear level in the guild so I'm guessing neither does the rest of my guild. |
| 17:58.33 | foxlit | LFR mostly solves that by reducing mechanics to "smash face on keyboard, receive loot," but meh, maybe one day they'll get the difficulty right. |
| 17:58.39 | n00bwork | well the gear is a moderate component of it, sure - but for me, at least, the drive was the feeling of accomplishment |
| 17:58.45 | Mr_Rabies | well that's the thing foxlit |
| 17:58.54 | Mr_Rabies | half the difficulty in lfr is the other players |
| 17:59.07 | foxlit | My LFR groups are usually painless. |
| 17:59.11 | Mr_Rabies | 1) terrible, terrible players who i'm convinced are people who have trained their cats (poorly) to raid |
| 17:59.15 | Mr_Rabies | and 2) griefers |
| 17:59.31 | Mr_Rabies | every single LFR i do has at least a griefer or two and like 10 really, really awful players |
| 17:59.41 | Mr_Rabies | oh, and like 10 people that don't know english |
| 17:59.52 | n00bwork | Mr_Rabies: to be fair my guild wasn't bad at all, but we'd still wipe because of a few people being stupid |
| 17:59.54 | Mr_Rabies | which may overlap with the other 2 |
| 18:00.10 | Mr_Rabies | you should help them learn the mechanics better |
| 18:00.21 | n00bwork | raiding (not at top top level) is more about not making mistakes than anything else |
| 18:00.37 | foxlit | It feels pointless. |
| 18:00.44 | Semlar | i think it's always about not making mistakes, no? |
| 18:00.51 | Mr_Rabies | the point is the journey, foxlit |
| 18:01.01 | Mr_Rabies | it's fun to learn the ins-and-outs of each encounter |
| 18:01.05 | foxlit | The point is other people's journey, Mr_Rabies? |
| 18:01.18 | Mr_Rabies | other people and yourself |
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| 18:01.27 | foxlit | You can learn the ins-and-outs of each encounter in the first two attempts. You'll continue wiping for twenty. |
| 18:01.31 | Mr_Rabies | your group of friends overcoming encounters |
| 18:01.41 | Mr_Rabies | i don't mind |
| 18:01.55 | Mr_Rabies | i once did 3 nights a week, 8 hours a night on vaelstrasz |
| 18:02.05 | Mr_Rabies | this isn't anything in comparison |
| 18:02.15 | foxlit | Hey, Vael is a quick and painless wipe |
| 18:02.16 | Mr_Rabies | we did 6 nights a week total for raids |
| 18:02.25 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, so you really rack up the repair bills |
| 18:02.36 | Mr_Rabies | we probably did about 300-400 pulls before we killed him |
| 18:02.51 | foxlit | Try something with an obscenely long and boring first phase prior to the screw-up-and-wipe phase |
| 18:03.18 | Mr_Rabies | that is kind of a gripe i ahve with this first tier of raids so far |
| 18:03.21 | foxlit | I'm thinking... heroic sindragosa? That took ages, for some reason. |
| 18:03.26 | Mr_Rabies | the phases take too damned long |
| 18:04.06 | Mr_Rabies | each fight's like a 10 minute slog |
| 18:05.13 | Mr_Rabies | but i like the variation in mechanics so far |
| 18:05.27 | Mr_Rabies | none of the boss fights yet feel like they're just there to fill the room |
| 18:05.52 | Mr_Rabies | admittedly we're not super progressed because our roster keeps changing as a combination of drama, work schedule changes, and general burnout |
| 18:06.13 | foxlit | That's also somewhat annoying |
| 18:06.16 | Mr_Rabies | we just killed the first boss of HoF and we're stuck on elegon |
| 18:06.36 | Mr_Rabies | we'll get the second boss of HoF next week, i'm sure |
| 18:06.42 | foxlit | Virtually all unique encounter mechanics rely on you having seen them before. |
| 18:07.08 | Mr_Rabies | well yeah, experience will never be replaced with strat guides or videos |
| 18:07.30 | Mr_Rabies | i personally haven't watched an encounter video since the dungeon journal was added |
| 18:07.53 | Mr_Rabies | i use that plus learning the fight in situ |
| 18:08.16 | foxlit | Mists is bad for that. |
| 18:08.27 | Mr_Rabies | what's that? |
| 18:08.41 | foxlit | Think of, say, Stormstout Brewery. |
| 18:09.05 | foxlit | That has a metric ton of unexplained mechanics that you'll probably not even notice while you slog through the instance. |
| 18:09.08 | Mr_Rabies | what about it, monkey party |
| 18:09.37 | foxlit | elementals controlling hozen, for example. |
| 18:10.05 | Mr_Rabies | maybe not your first time through |
| 18:10.08 | foxlit | The unannounced gauntlets |
| 18:10.20 | Mr_Rabies | but the more you notice, the faster the instance takes overall |
| 18:10.37 | Mr_Rabies | even if it's not necessary to know them all to simply beat the instance |
| 18:11.27 | foxlit | and Dungeon Journal is unfortunately a mess. |
| 18:11.54 | Mr_Rabies | it seems you're getting burned out |
| 18:12.42 | foxlit | Usually, that's a consequence of exerting too much effort -- but that's hardly the case. |
| 18:13.10 | Mr_Rabies | you seem uninterested in learning much anymore and don't seem very interested or concerned with the social aspects, both of those are how i felt in tbc when i got burned out |
| 18:13.31 | Mr_Rabies | it's just something that happens |
| 18:14.42 | Mr_Rabies | all those months of dragon soul just clearing it over and over without much effort, then suddenly way too much to do while leveling, and then unexplained gating on dailies making it seem like they want you to spend all day in-game |
| 18:15.27 | Mr_Rabies | oh, and a hugely open, long, mostly public beta |
| 18:15.35 | Mr_Rabies | it's a recipe for burnout, basically |
| 18:16.46 | foxlit | Haven't been clearing dragon soul (LFR!), and am mostly okay with how they handled dailies. |
| 18:17.13 | Mr_Rabies | i stopped lfr as soon as we were progressed enough in dragon soul that i could avoid it |
| 18:17.33 | Mr_Rabies | literally every run was full of terrible players, people who we couldn't explain mechanics to due to language barrier, and trolls |
| 18:17.43 | foxlit | Recognize none of those things |
| 18:17.55 | foxlit | You should move here? :) |
| 18:18.00 | SuperPortia | I did have a problem with people who were yelling at us for not understanding the mechanics. |
| 18:18.01 | Mr_Rabies | it must be my battlegroup/server cluster for instance stuff |
| 18:18.32 | Mr_Rabies | well, not understanding weird mechanics is one thing |
| 18:18.40 | Mr_Rabies | standing in floor damage is another :p |
| 18:18.55 | foxlit | There are, occasionally, people who feel inclined to point out that someone else doesn't know mechanics, and express their displeasure in rather uncivil ways |
| 18:19.00 | Mr_Rabies | that's what i mean by bad players |
| 18:19.04 | foxlit | But screw those people. |
| 18:19.10 | Mr_Rabies | those who are basically afk, except still technically there |
| 18:19.33 | Mr_Rabies | like, they'll come back with under 10k dps as a dps class in lfr |
| 18:19.44 | Mr_Rabies | or die like, 10 seconds in |
| 18:19.54 | foxlit | maybe they should gate rewards on performance. |
| 18:20.06 | foxlit | "To receive loot from this boss, you must deal X amount of damage" |
| 18:20.47 | Mr_Rabies | i don't mind people that don't know mechanics or have crappy gear |
| 18:21.07 | foxlit | Don't the LFR ilvl requirements cover up crappy gear? |
| 18:21.10 | Mr_Rabies | or even people that don't have a massive amount of skill, but try |
| 18:21.26 | Mr_Rabies | they did make it equipped gear with MoP didn't they? |
| 18:21.31 | Mr_Rabies | not just what's in your bags |
| 18:21.41 | foxlit | probably. |
| 18:21.56 | Mr_Rabies | i'm a patient player |
| 18:22.14 | foxlit | Protip: get rid of Recount. |
| 18:22.21 | Mr_Rabies | i use skada ;p |
| 18:22.27 | Mr_Rabies | in combat, though, it's switched to threat |
| 18:22.29 | foxlit | Adjust advice accordingly :) |
| 18:22.39 | Mr_Rabies | out of combat it switches back to damage |
| 18:22.51 | foxlit | You notice crappy DPS a lot less when you have no way of telling they're crappy as long as the boss dies. |
| 18:23.04 | Mr_Rabies | i'd rather know, though |
| 18:23.22 | foxlit | In a guild group, maybe. |
| 18:23.42 | foxlit | In LFR? Nothing good comes of that knowledge |
| 18:24.08 | Mr_Rabies | i mostly use it for myself in lfr |
| 18:24.15 | Mr_Rabies | to see how i'm doing compared to the general populace |
| 18:25.00 | Mr_Rabies | i'm usually within the top 5 or so, which i'm pretty happy with as a feral druid |
| 18:25.09 | Mr_Rabies | skilled mages and shamans tend to win by default though |
| 18:25.40 | foxlit | Anyway, I wish encounters did a better job of communicating how they're about to kill you. |
| 18:25.48 | Mr_Rabies | they do a pretty decent job |
| 18:25.55 | Mr_Rabies | yellow text everywhere for most of the big stuff |
| 18:26.16 | Mr_Rabies | still, nothing will ever replace experience |
| 18:27.13 | Mr_Rabies | dbm helps, but it's no replacement for being comfortable enough with the fight to really push dps |
| 18:27.13 | foxlit | Mainly, it's the difference between having to explain what a boss does before the pull, or being able to let the raid figure it out during the fight. |
| 18:28.14 | Mr_Rabies | that's what makes lfr so great though |
| 18:28.28 | Mr_Rabies | if you mess up, it doesn't wipe the raid or even really kill you, unless you really mess up |
| 18:28.32 | Mr_Rabies | and it explains what to do |
| 18:28.48 | Gnarfoz | addon that sends whispers to other players: what should I avoid doing to not get an empty chat tab for each player the addon whispers? (I've got the Blizzard UI option for whispers set to "both", i.e. both inline and a new chat tab per conversation) |
| 18:29.15 | foxlit | The first Spirit King outright kills you if you don't do the pull right. |
| 18:29.58 | foxlit | The falling floor on Elegon catches most people by surprise. |
| 18:29.59 | Gnarfoz | that much is clear from the dungeon journal, though |
| 18:30.10 | Gnarfoz | (re: spirit kings. not certain about the floor.) |
| 18:30.31 | Mr_Rabies | <foxlit> The falling floor on Elegon catches most people by surprise. |
| 18:31.11 | Mr_Rabies | i'm pretty sure it tells people to get out of that in LFR |
| 18:31.24 | foxlit | Mr_Rabies: no, the forced raid warning is rather cryptic |
| 18:31.24 | Gnarfoz | not early enough |
| 18:31.30 | foxlit | something about an engine powering down. |
| 18:31.35 | Mr_Rabies | there's only so much hand-holding they can do |
| 18:31.49 | foxlit | They could just port you off the floor. |
| 18:31.52 | Mr_Rabies | dungeon journal explains everything in good enough detail |
| 18:31.56 | Gnarfoz | sure, but that particular one is pretty low on the "hand-hodling" scale |
| 18:31.56 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, they could |
| 18:32.08 | Gnarfoz | (because it's cryptic) |
| 18:32.13 | Mr_Rabies | but they could also just have the boss keel over when you talked to lorewalker cho |
| 18:32.44 | Gnarfoz | could've made the floor be flooded with ligthning shit that does a fair amount of damage |
| 18:32.57 | Gnarfoz | so you have a grace period and can't just die from falling |
| 18:33.05 | Mr_Rabies | i doubt it'd help much |
| 18:33.11 | Gnarfoz | I'm sure |
| 18:33.16 | foxlit | Mr_Rabies: The problem isn't that the mechanic is too hard -- it's that it relies on a cheap surprise. |
| 18:33.29 | Mr_Rabies | the trick is having raid members that actually care about finishing the fight quickly and the first attempt |
| 18:34.03 | Mr_Rabies | i always say "get to the edges" |
| 18:34.06 | foxlit | Or have any sort of visual indication that the floor is about to fall |
| 18:34.12 | Gnarfoz | the best thing anyone "in the know" can do when doing LFR: put a quick explanation highlighting the most important things in chat. doesn't need to be more than 3 lines |
| 18:34.38 | Gnarfoz | and maybe even point out stuff while the fight is going on, like you mentioned |
| 18:34.41 | foxlit | Power down the lights on the floor, for instance. I like that idea better than the raid warning. |
| 18:35.03 | Gnarfoz | I think they actually do power down, don't they? |
| 18:35.10 | Gnarfoz | maybe I'm just imagining things now |
| 18:35.37 | foxlit | I don't think the floor fades. |
| 18:35.59 | Gnarfoz | (not before it's too late, anyway :D) |
| 18:36.19 | Gnarfoz | I wonder what the clickable thingies in the hole are, though |
| 18:37.26 | Mr_Rabies | the floor does fade |
| 18:37.53 | Mr_Rabies | it goes to like half-transparency when the pillars are starting to activate |
| 18:38.02 | Mr_Rabies | which turns off the internal cocentric rings mostly |
| 18:38.15 | Mr_Rabies | basically like it does when it kicks back on |
| 18:39.04 | Gnarfoz | where is everybody, anyway :( |
| 18:39.12 | Gnarfoz | I want to fix FascistGnome but I don't know where to start :D |
| 18:39.29 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:39.42 | Mr_Rabies | Gnarfoz: mussolini that gnome |
| 18:40.06 | Gnarfoz | foxlit: actually, no music! |
| 18:40.12 | Gnarfoz | ...not even a video, either. Unfortunately, this SME-music-content is not available in Germany because GEMA has not granted the respective music publishing rights. |
| 18:40.16 | Gnarfoz | D: |
| 18:40.24 | foxlit | Gnarfoz: :( |
| 18:40.32 | Gnarfoz | ProxMate is doing its thing |
| 18:40.37 | foxlit | it's some elemental shaman doing elegon. |
| 18:40.40 | Gnarfoz | but my connection is maxed out anyway |
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| 19:04.46 | Ressy | foxlit: The floor on Elegon last night in my group bugged. It would do sparks, despite the fact that we were in phase 3, and then despawn the floor. We ended up disbanding the raid group. |
| 19:05.26 | Ressy | lovely 3 wipes before the tanks of the LFR called it. |
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| 19:12.40 | karl_w_w | this new npc pet tamers are off the charts with their ability to infuriate |
| 19:12.44 | karl_w_w | these* |
| 19:14.21 | znf | karl_w_w, the spirits? |
| 19:14.37 | Adys | There are of course other issues that cause LFR groups to fall apart, like boss difficulty, and those are the kinds of things we’re looking at bigger solutions for |
| 19:14.39 | Adys | WOW |
| 19:14.43 | Adys | HOLY SHIT THE PHILOSOPHY. |
| 19:15.28 | znf | People can't understand how to kill that bug-boss in a damn dungeon... and they expect them to understand how to kill garalon |
| 19:15.31 | karl_w_w | yes znf |
| 19:15.44 | karl_w_w | i swear to god it is rigged |
| 19:15.55 | karl_w_w | the vast majority of my big attacks againt them miss |
| 19:15.55 | znf | well, legendary pets... |
| 19:16.03 | znf | you have blue pets, they have legendary pets |
| 19:16.09 | Adys | is this serious |
| 19:16.14 | Adys | i mean come on |
| 19:16.17 | karl_w_w | same thing happened with the blue one from previous patch |
| 19:16.26 | Adys | "boss difficulty.. yeah thats a huge problem in the game" |
| 19:16.48 | karl_w_w | ones* wtf i cant type |
| 19:17.40 | znf | this tooltip is seriously broken: |
| 19:17.52 | znf | 1http://i.imgur.com/SzNhl.png |
| 19:17.54 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/SzNhl.png |
| 19:19.16 | karl_w_w | yes it is, but I'm pretty sure that's wai |
| 19:19.46 | karl_w_w | you seem to have an addon interfering |
| 19:20.38 | znf | all others are fine |
| 19:20.43 | znf | this is the only one acting like this |
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| 19:23.45 | karl_w_w | because it's a random enchant? |
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| 19:28.23 | karl_w_w | fuckin yes, 3 down 1 to go |
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| 19:36.20 | karl_w_w | and i kill the last one first try |
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| 19:42.29 | karl_w_w | hey Fisker, We are out of inventory. Please check back soon. |
| 19:46.42 | pompy | http://www.facebook.com/NVIDIAGeForce/posts/356748617753690 |
| 19:46.45 | pompy | probably not! |
| 19:47.19 | karl_w_w | part 2: do you care? |
| 19:47.23 | karl_w_w | definitely not! |
| 19:47.44 | pompy | ~lart karl_w_w |
| 19:47.44 | purl | throws a AN/M-8 smoke grenade at karl_w_w |
| 19:49.06 | karl_w_w | pompy: "Your PC's ATI Radeon HD 5700 Series is below the game's recommended specification. |
| 19:49.06 | karl_w_w | The recommended specification to enjoy Far Cry 3 is a GeForce® GTX 480 or AMD Radeon HD 5770 or higher. |
| 19:49.07 | karl_w_w | Check below to see some upgrade options. " |
| 19:49.20 | karl_w_w | guesses on what gpu i have? |
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| 19:52.02 | pompy | ? |
| 19:52.26 | karl_w_w | 5770 |
| 19:53.11 | karl_w_w | so basically they're telling me my gpu is below the minimum and they're trying to sell me a new one based on that information |
| 19:53.18 | karl_w_w | that's illegal where I come from |
| 19:53.33 | karl_w_w | below the recommended* |
| 19:53.50 | TC-work | I don't see anything about selling you something |
| 19:54.45 | karl_w_w | "Check below to see some upgrade options." |
| 19:55.11 | karl_w_w | what follows is 3 nvidia gpus with "compare and buy" links |
| 19:56.04 | SuperPortia | A nVidia GeForce 550 TI would work and is relatively inexpensive. |
| 19:56.52 | TC-work | And how is that illegal? |
| 19:57.10 | SuperPortia | Where are you from? |
| 19:57.28 | karl_w_w | because they are misleading and trying to profit from it? |
| 20:00.12 | karl_w_w | http://www.accc.gov.au/content/index.phtml/itemId/815335 |
| 20:00.13 | karl_w_w | "For example, the law also says businesses must not make false claims about: |
| 20:00.13 | karl_w_w | a buyer's need for the goods or services" |
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| 20:01.50 | SuperPortia | I don't necessarily know that they would be in violation because they're saying you would get a better experience with a faster card. Not that you need it to run. |
| 20:01.57 | SuperPortia | And what they're saying isn't necessarily untrue. |
| 20:03.00 | karl_w_w | "Your PC's ATI Radeon HD 5700 Series is below the game's recommended specification." Is most certainly untrue :P |
| 20:03.21 | SuperPortia | I think that's a mistake, possibly honest |
| 20:03.54 | karl_w_w | from previous site: "It makes no difference whether the business intended to mislead or deceive you—it is how the conduct of the business affected your thoughts and beliefs that matters." |
| 20:04.18 | nevcairiel | the important point is that they never say you need it, they just recommend it :P |
| 20:04.23 | karl_w_w | I'm not particularly bothered, but it certainly highlights the need for a disclaimer |
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| 20:05.02 | p3lim | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:05.05 | karl_w_w | nevcairiel: they claim I need it to meet the recommended specs :P |
| 20:05.12 | Cairenn | p3lim: ? |
| 20:05.12 | p3lim | -.- |
| 20:05.23 | nevcairiel | karl_w_w: they never say need, not that you have quoted anyway |
| 20:05.53 | nevcairiel | besides, recommended is not "minimum" |
| 20:06.02 | karl_w_w | so? |
| 20:06.27 | Vlad| | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/7200052820?page=3#60 |
| 20:06.33 | nevcairiel | by definition you dont "need" the recommended spec to play |
| 20:06.34 | pompy | www.humblebundle.com ... look who the #1 contributor is :O |
| 20:06.37 | nevcairiel | you need the minimum spec |
| 20:06.52 | nevcairiel | which is much lower then a 5700 =P |
| 20:07.06 | karl_w_w | that's not the point |
| 20:07.12 | Vlad| | can someone post for me, because I can't, ask if they plan to allow us to modify the queue frame, like for example how http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/honor-queue does |
| 20:07.27 | nevcairiel | besides, its just a stupid script failure, it uses the name the windows driver assigns it, and AMD is too stupid to have different names for different GPUs |
| 20:07.35 | nevcairiel | and 5700 < 5770 |
| 20:07.43 | karl_w_w | which is why they need a disclaimer |
| 20:07.54 | nevcairiel | no, AU just needs smarter people :) |
| 20:08.14 | karl_w_w | that's a ridiculous statement |
| 20:08.30 | nevcairiel | if they had them, the script would be working! |
| 20:08.57 | karl_w_w | australians didn't make the script, I'm pretty sure |
| 20:09.18 | karl_w_w | or the ati drivers |
| 20:09.49 | Fisker | nevcairiel |
| 20:09.50 | nevcairiel | ati drivers are written by monkeys, those are not native to australia |
| 20:09.58 | pompy | the CEO of THQ i sthe top contributor :O. |
| 20:10.29 | karl_w_w | fact is, if they had a disclaimer they know it would make it slightly less encouraging of sales |
| 20:10.58 | SuperPortia | What would the disclaimer say? |
| 20:11.02 | Vlad| | [quote Draxxarri] I'm writing on behalf of an addon author, specifically regarding addons like http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/honor-queue - he asks if there are any plans to allow addons to redesign the queue screen, perhaps some template of sorts? |
| 20:11.12 | Vlad| | you get my point :PØ |
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| 20:11.19 | Vlad| | would appreciate if someone here posts for me |
| 20:11.26 | karl_w_w | "this tool might not accurately identify your gpu in all cases" or similar |
| 20:12.03 | Vlad| | I live in EU so I have no access to US forums |
| 20:13.15 | SuperPortia | I think they could claim it was a bug that it misidentified and the court would order them to fix it. |
| 20:15.06 | nevcairiel | i dont think any judge would ever let that go to trial :P |
| 20:15.47 | karl_w_w | why not? |
| 20:16.07 | karl_w_w | sure, nvidia might not let it get to trial, but a judge would have no reason |
| 20:16.43 | SuperPortia | I think the court would ask the customer if they asked nVidia to fix it. |
| 20:17.02 | SuperPortia | If they hadn't, the judge might have asked the customer why they didn't. |
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| 20:17.12 | karl_w_w | it's a criminal case not civil |
| 20:17.20 | Vlad| | Cairenn: do you want to post on the US forums for me? |
| 20:17.32 | Cairenn | ? |
| 20:17.43 | Vlad| | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/7200052820?page=3#60 |
| 20:17.56 | Vlad| | scroll a bit up in the chat, I wrote an example what I wanna post :P |
| 20:18.43 | Cairenn | Ah |
| 20:18.43 | karl_w_w | and wtf Vlad| |
| 20:18.50 | Vlad| | what? |
| 20:18.58 | Cairenn | I don't currently have an active account, so no posting ability |
| 20:19.11 | karl_w_w | steal sum1 else's code and then re-release it all rights reserved? |
| 20:19.16 | karl_w_w | that's so far away from cool |
| 20:19.36 | Vlad| | lol |
| 20:19.54 | karl_w_w | some of that is my code |
| 20:20.09 | Vlad| | what's going on? |
| 20:22.22 | TC-work | You know what else is far away from cool? using 'sum1' |
| 20:22.57 | Vlad| | in any case, they said "It is no longer possible to automate queuing for standard or random Battlegrounds in groups larger than 5." but thing is in reality all that happened is that JoinBattlefield is protected, regardless of how many you are in group and such :p can't even queue alone hehe. |
| 20:23.05 | karl_w_w | You know what else? Starting a sentence with a lowercase letter, and not ending it with a full stop. |
| 20:23.27 | Vlad| | who stole your code, karl? |
| 20:23.30 | nevcairiel | You mean like you did just above? |
| 20:23.40 | karl_w_w | yes |
| 20:23.51 | lcd | Do the /cast buff steps in a macro apply the effect right away so that the next step (/cast damagespell) so damagespell is affected by the buff? |
| 20:24.05 | karl_w_w | but if SUM1 is going to pick holes in casual typing they should do it properly |
| 20:24.07 | lcd | messed up that sentence |
| 20:24.11 | lcd | :/ |
| 20:24.14 | Vlad| | try again lcd |
| 20:24.22 | pompy | heh 3 employees of Havok just matched Rubins donation |
| 20:24.23 | lcd | When you /cast buffname |
| 20:24.24 | karl_w_w | no lcd |
| 20:24.27 | nevcairiel | sum1 is truely horrible, even for lazy typing |
| 20:24.29 | lcd | k |
| 20:24.33 | karl_w_w | oh wait, yes |
| 20:24.35 | karl_w_w | yes they do |
| 20:24.37 | lcd | nevcairiel: what? |
| 20:24.40 | lcd | explain |
| 20:24.53 | durcyn | all textspeak should be punishable by icepick |
| 20:25.03 | karl_w_w | 'truely' :P |
| 20:25.32 | lcd | waiting |
| 20:25.39 | Vlad| | sooo... anyone with US account that can post on the forums? :P |
| 20:25.45 | pompy | durcyn: yo dawg, wut u doin' 2day dood? |
| 20:26.09 | pompy | hides |
| 20:26.09 | durcyn | pompy: sharpening said icepick, now that you mention it ;) |
| 20:26.16 | pompy | ;) |
| 20:26.51 | Vlad| | I guess I have to use names :P |
| 20:26.56 | nevcairiel | karl_w_w: next time we chat in a language foreign for you all day :P |
| 20:26.57 | Vlad| | karl want to post on the US forums for me? |
| 20:28.04 | Vlad| | nevcairiel: wanna post on the US forums for me? :P |
| 20:28.17 | nevcairiel | i will do no such thing. |
| 20:29.04 | kd3 | adys; that's pretty horrendous luck |
| 20:29.16 | Adys | kd3: its been going on over a few weeks :P |
| 20:29.31 | kd3 | ! |
| 20:29.57 | kd3 | all 16 virmen? eesh. I've had upwards of 8 total virmen/hawks on bad days, but that just screams buggy |
| 20:30.13 | Vlad| | I wish Torhal was still among us, he'd help me lol |
| 20:30.32 | SuperPortia | What happened to Torhal? |
| 20:30.39 | durcyn | death. |
| 20:30.45 | durcyn | by icepick. |
| 20:31.25 | kd3 | ooh, does that mean his job's up for grabs? I'm probably moving to huntsville soon |
| 20:31.30 | kd3 | >.> |
| 20:31.38 | SuperPortia | I see he works for Curse |
| 20:32.03 | Fisker | hey kd3 |
| 20:32.16 | Fisker | Adys you in the Steam Linux beta? |
| 20:32.51 | kd3 | I put in for a spot, but said I was using fedora, so no native client for me yet |
| 20:32.57 | Fisker | wow |
| 20:33.06 | Fisker | so they finally disabled premade av thingy |
| 20:33.12 | kd3 | ! |
| 20:33.39 | pompy | yup can only group up to a max of 5 |
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| 20:34.06 | Adys | Fisker: I think so |
| 20:34.09 | Adys | not sure yet |
| 20:34.10 | kd3 | how'd they manage that, and what's preventing people from going 3-2-1-click! over vent? |
| 20:34.22 | Fisker | i still can't get TF2 or SS3 to work |
| 20:34.30 | Fisker | SS3 wants some libpci.so.3 or some stuff |
| 20:34.36 | Fisker | and it offers to install it |
| 20:34.39 | Fisker | but it doesn't work |
| 20:34.46 | Fisker | (also i already have it installed) |
| 20:34.54 | Fisker | and TF2 just doesn't start up |
| 20:35.02 | pompy | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/246648-battleground-queues-and-addons/ |
| 20:35.03 | Fisker | briefly shows the Playing TF2 thingy in friends list |
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| 20:37.41 | kd3 | oh wow. so it's not just japan's birthrate that's falling like a rock |
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| 20:39.43 | karl_w_w | kd3: they protected joinbattleground, and nothing is stopping people doing it over vent |
| 20:39.55 | kd3 | that's what I figured |
| 20:41.48 | karl_w_w | although it's a lot less effective/reliable than it used to be due to previous changes |
| 20:42.00 | Vlad| | I whispered Ressy |
| 20:42.42 | Vlad| | my POV is just to let them know that some do want to change how the queue frame appears and we can't if the API is blocked like this :P |
| 20:42.58 | nevcairiel | sure you can |
| 20:43.03 | Vlad| | how? |
| 20:43.07 | Vlad| | JoinBattlefield is protected :/ |
| 20:43.10 | nevcairiel | visual can usually be modified without breaking anything |
| 20:43.18 | nevcairiel | just have to modify the existing one, and not provide a new one |
| 20:43.22 | kd3 | reshape the button blizz provides? |
| 20:43.25 | Vlad| | it's a scrollframe :/ |
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| 20:43.33 | Vlad| | how can I change that into a grid frame? :P |
| 20:43.47 | nevcairiel | be creative |
| 20:43.49 | Vlad| | and does it work if I use :Click? |
| 20:43.59 | Vlad| | last time I checked it checks the paths and blocks it too |
| 20:44.13 | nevcairiel | of course, you cant automate shit |
| 20:44.17 | nevcairiel | but you talked about visuals |
| 20:44.25 | Vlad| | yeah |
| 20:44.34 | Vlad| | http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/honor-queue |
| 20:44.39 | Vlad| | each bg is a button, you click it to queue it |
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| 20:45.02 | Vlad| | if the click is hardware event, can I make the button :Click pass to the blizzard button? :P |
| 20:45.06 | Vlad| | wonder if that works, but fear maybe not |
| 20:45.19 | nevcairiel | i'm not a fan of the overall layout :P |
| 20:45.36 | SuperPortia | Can you simulate clicks like that? I didn't think you could. |
| 20:45.39 | foxlit | I wonder who started this get main character injured and force the player to walk reaaaaaallly slowly between cutscenes trend. |
| 20:45.49 | Vlad| | nevcairiel: I don't force you to use it lol :P |
| 20:45.58 | Vlad| | SuperPortia: usually not if it's protected and such :P |
| 20:48.05 | karl_w_w | yeah nevcairiel, the original addon has a better layout http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info14318-OhNoesQueues.html |
| 20:48.48 | nevcairiel | honor queue indeed looks like a cheap knockoff from that |
| 20:49.06 | Vlad| | thanks |
| 20:49.43 | Vlad| | why so hostile karl? :P |
| 20:50.46 | Vlad| | sadly the original died out so an alternative had to be made |
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| 20:51.16 | MentalPower | Shirik: ping! |
| 20:51.24 | Vlad| | I used it back when it was updated too ;) |
| 20:51.33 | nevcairiel | if that linked addon is the original, it was updated for 5.0, and he openly asked for patches as well |
| 20:52.11 | karl_w_w | what are u talking about died out |
| 20:53.01 | Vlad| | some time ago there were no updates, before you started to keep it afloat, karl, and I wanted a similar addon but a bit different, so I made an alternative |
| 20:53.04 | karl_w_w | i guess that changelog is a figment of my imagination |
| 20:53.36 | karl_w_w | it was always working |
| 20:54.08 | nevcairiel | you know how people are, not updated for a month, it must be dead |
| 20:54.34 | Semlar | in my case it's dead the second i put the keyboard down |
| 20:54.51 | Semlar | NEVER LOOK BACK |
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| 20:55.05 | Vlad| | also, it had no timers to show time left before estimated queue pop up, and didn't support the blacklist they added recently. |
| 20:56.26 | karl_w_w | every addon is considered abandoned the moment any patch lands :P |
| 20:56.49 | SuperPortia | Mine's abandoned and it's not even out yet. |
| 20:57.04 | Semlar | that's the spirit! |
| 20:57.05 | SuperPortia | * whispers * Mine's not really abandoned. |
| 20:57.36 | Vlad| | only difference is usually people don't write their own addon based on yours, usually they just post and ask for alternatives or beg you to update it (i.e. not abandon it :P) |
| 20:57.41 | SuperPortia | You gotta be diligent about abandoning things or else they might just keep going. |
| 20:57.52 | Semlar | exactly |
| 20:58.31 | karl_w_w | i have one that isnt out and is abandoned :P it was going to be a standalone lifebloom tracker |
| 20:58.37 | Semlar | if people don't expect you to update they'll be pleasantly surprised when you do |
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| 20:59.13 | SuperPortia | I like giving people updates on when the update telling them when the update will be out. |
| 20:59.20 | nevcairiel | and donate because your addon works again |
| 20:59.47 | nevcairiel | if you want to maximize donations, then let it break on patch day, wait a day or two, and then fix it |
| 20:59.55 | Semlar | i wish anyone cared enough about my addons to donate |
| 20:59.56 | nevcairiel | people will be much more thankful |
| 21:00.06 | nevcairiel | if it just works on launch day, they wont think about it :p |
| 21:00.19 | Vlad| | btw if you have a button that you SetScript OnClick and use :Click() in it to click a button that runs a protected function, it's blocked by the UI. |
| 21:00.23 | Semlar | hey superportia: http://i.imgur.com/wQnMH.jpg |
| 21:00.26 | karl_w_w | wait a week! |
| 21:00.48 | SuperPortia | Very col |
| 21:00.50 | SuperPortia | cool* |
| 21:01.16 | kd3 | I'm still amused at the code name for the pandaria map |
| 21:01.21 | SuperPortia | It needs a nice border, but that's what I'm talking about. |
| 21:01.21 | Semlar | >_> |
| 21:01.25 | SuperPortia | What is it? |
| 21:01.29 | Semlar | it's at the bottom |
| 21:01.30 | Dagmar | Hawaii mainland? |
| 21:01.30 | SuperPortia | Oh |
| 21:02.09 | Semlar | i just need to adjust a few things and it'll be practically usable! |
| 21:02.09 | SuperPortia | I'm guessing that was MoP's codename. |
| 21:02.22 | SuperPortia | Practically usable is always what I shoot for. |
| 21:02.34 | Semlar | weird, i usually aim lower than this.. |
| 21:02.53 | Semlar | i must be coming down with something |
| 21:03.00 | karl_w_w | i will put on donation link the moment somebody expresses an interest in donating without any prompting (so that's never) |
| 21:03.39 | SuperPortia | Semlar, it's called ambition, sometimes pride. |
| 21:03.56 | Semlar | is it terminal? |
| 21:04.11 | SuperPortia | Only in the Bible. |
| 21:04.28 | nevcairiel | I can't say anyone ever asked how to donate for my WoW Addons, but i have other open-source projects where people did ask how to donate |
| 21:04.59 | SuperPortia | Does it say how much was donated? |
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| 21:05.15 | nevcairiel | of course i get to know how much money i get :P |
| 21:05.19 | SuperPortia | Also I thought Blizzard's most recent EULA said you could ask for donations for add-ons. |
| 21:05.41 | nevcairiel | you're not allowed to ask ingame |
| 21:05.49 | SuperPortia | Do you then tell the public? "Zero dollars and zero cents!" |
| 21:06.00 | SuperPortia | I thought they expanded that, but I'll have to check again. |
| 21:06.42 | Vlad| | karl what addon are you working on atm? :) |
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| 21:08.31 | SuperPortia | Does anyone know if when you rename a pet in your pet journal if it shows the name in the client? |
| 21:09.46 | SuperPortia | Semlar: I was thinking about adding the ability to rename mounts in the mount journal. |
| 21:09.50 | Vlad| | it does |
| 21:09.57 | Vlad| | your pet name in the world is also changed |
| 21:10.05 | SuperPortia | Thanks for checking. |
| 21:10.10 | Vlad| | not sure if the other faction can see your nicknames tough ;) |
| 21:10.22 | SuperPortia | That I don't care so much about. |
| 21:10.57 | SuperPortia | Any add-ons out there that are just databases of information for look-up? |
| 21:11.13 | Semlar | usually libraries |
| 21:11.45 | Vlad| | hmm I wonder if they fixed the pet journal issue |
| 21:11.51 | SuperPortia | Which issue? |
| 21:11.54 | Vlad| | if the filters interfere with the API |
| 21:12.04 | Vlad| | if you had filters on you couldn't iterate trough all your pets :P |
| 21:12.12 | nevcairiel | thats not considered an issue |
| 21:12.16 | nevcairiel | plenty APIs work that way |
| 21:12.25 | SuperPortia | Oh, yeah. I'm guessing that's to reduce network traffic |
| 21:12.35 | Vlad| | yeah, but it's lame when they do this C side and not lua side :( |
| 21:12.39 | nevcairiel | quest log and guild apis also have this behaviour |
| 21:12.40 | Vlad| | same with tradeskills |
| 21:13.07 | nevcairiel | stateful apis arent nice, but its all we got :P |
| 21:13.09 | Vlad| | actually you can get info of guildmembers, even if you say in the UI that it should only show online people :P |
| 21:13.45 | Vlad| | just lame we need a library to keep track of what we really know, to avoid issues with the filters :( |
| 21:14.39 | Vlad| | SuperPortia: http://i.imgur.com/tjBgo.jpg |
| 21:15.25 | kd3 | http://i.imgur.com/VLgOr.jpg |
| 21:15.27 | kd3 | sadpandas |
| 21:15.32 | SuperPortia | Funny |
| 21:15.48 | Vlad| | I don't get it :P |
| 21:16.08 | SuperPortia | Decaying Hotdog was funny |
| 21:16.17 | SuperPortia | The NP thing is the end of an era. |
| 21:16.25 | Fisker | kd3 |
| 21:16.54 | Fisker | very original kd3 |
| 21:23.26 | Fisker | oh |
| 21:23.28 | Fisker | i get it |
| 21:23.30 | Fisker | awww |
| 21:24.11 | Vlad| | SuperPortia: hehe, thanks :P but I mean't I don't get the image kd3 posted :P |
| 21:24.29 | Vlad| | looks like the same cover only a bit different :P |
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| 21:24.36 | kd3 | the image on the right is the last issue of nintendo power... the one on the left is the first... 25 years ago |
| 21:24.43 | kd3 | er, reverse that |
| 21:24.45 | SuperPortia | Yeah |
| 21:25.08 | Vlad| | aha :P |
| 21:25.15 | SuperPortia | Hence it being the end of an era |
| 21:26.02 | Vlad| | I am sure they knew what they were doing ;) |
| 21:26.48 | Vlad| | hey karl_w_w I always wondered, why the _w_w part, what does it stand for? |
| 21:30.58 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/utUai.jpg bordery |
| 21:31.28 | Vlad| | is it possible to make the minimap and the world map melt together? |
| 21:31.36 | Semlar | elaborate |
| 21:31.37 | Vlad| | wonder how it is on performance |
| 21:31.50 | Vlad| | you know, edge fades out and blends with the world texture |
| 21:32.00 | Vlad| | smooth transaction |
| 21:32.15 | SuperPortia | Not a bad suggestion Vlad. I was thinking a bit myself, but one thing at a time. |
| 21:32.16 | Semlar | can you do a gradient alpha on a texture |
| 21:32.30 | Vlad| | no clue |
| 21:32.39 | Vlad| | you have more expertise on textures than me atm |
| 21:32.39 | Vlad| | :( |
| 21:32.44 | Semlar | i know you can do some sort of gradient coloring for textures |
| 21:32.54 | Semlar | at any rate it wouldn't be easy |
| 21:32.56 | Vlad| | hmm |
| 21:32.59 | Vlad| | yeah |
| 21:33.08 | Vlad| | would be a nice touch :P |
| 21:33.13 | Semlar | since you'd have to treat it like one texture when it's really a bunch of them |
| 21:33.23 | SuperPortia | It would be a lot of work. |
| 21:33.29 | SuperPortia | More of a finishing touch. |
| 21:33.42 | SuperPortia | Though a decorative border could also work. |
| 21:33.46 | Semlar | i could put a texture over it to make it look better |
| 21:33.51 | SuperPortia | Does the community have graphic artists to lean on? |
| 21:34.08 | Semlar | i do graphic work |
| 21:34.14 | SuperPortia | Nice. |
| 21:35.23 | SuperPortia | So you can move the mouse around and it'll show that section? |
| 21:35.57 | Semlar | yeah |
| 21:36.05 | SuperPortia | Awesome. |
| 21:36.22 | SuperPortia | My art skills are highly limited. It's why I'm a developer and not a designer. |
| 21:36.48 | SuperPortia | I design interfaces as part of my job, but I still need other people for the graphics. |
| 21:36.54 | Semlar | well i got started with websites and just decided i'd learn how to do everything myself |
| 21:37.18 | SuperPortia | Javascript, JQuery and everything? |
| 21:37.34 | Semlar | html, php, javascript |
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| 21:37.54 | Semlar | jquery is just javascript anyway |
| 21:38.17 | SuperPortia | I've found that one does not confer the other. |
| 21:38.23 | SuperPortia | But that's just my experience. |
| 21:38.55 | SuperPortia | I'm on the WISC or WISA stack. |
| 21:39.08 | SuperPortia | I haven't done PHP in many, many years. |
| 21:39.22 | SuperPortia | WISA doesn't have the same ring to it as LAMP |
| 21:39.39 | SuperPortia | Sounds like something to do with urination. |
| 21:39.49 | Semlar | i love lamp |
| 21:39.55 | Vlad| | Semlar: I honor you for speaking the three letters that shall not be named. |
| 21:40.25 | Semlar | too much stigma against php in here |
| 21:40.30 | Vlad| | there is :P |
| 21:40.33 | Vlad| | SuperPortia: http://i.imgur.com/pfxcy.jpg |
| 21:40.41 | SuperPortia | It's what Facebook is written in. |
| 21:41.05 | SuperPortia | Going rename-happy on me Vlad? |
| 21:41.12 | Dagmar | Fascism and bullshit? |
| 21:41.32 | Vlad| | hard to say if facebook is wirtten in php because it doesn't excplicitly say that in the headers either |
| 21:41.34 | Vlad| | can be anything :P |
| 21:41.36 | SuperPortia | I think it's bullshit and facism. |
| 21:41.55 | SuperPortia | Facebook has said it's written in PHP |
| 21:41.59 | SuperPortia | It's modified PHP at this point, but it's PHP |
| 21:42.00 | Semlar | i'm probably only going to display this at certain zoom levels because it takes a lot of tiles to draw on the continent map |
| 21:42.10 | SuperPortia | Makes sense. |
| 21:42.36 | zenzelezz | https://developers.facebook.com/blog/post/2010/02/02/hiphop-for-php--move-fast/ |
| 21:43.09 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/aQEht.jpg this is 100 textures |
| 21:43.25 | SuperPortia | zenzelezz: I think I've read that before. |
| 21:43.44 | SuperPortia | Yeah and it's not that usable. |
| 21:43.47 | zenzelezz | SuperPortia: it's from 2010, so probably |
| 21:44.02 | zenzelezz | but it does gives an insight into the backend of Facebook |
| 21:44.05 | SuperPortia | The small, detailed stuff (the minimap) is something you need when you're looking for particular terrain. |
| 21:44.12 | Vlad| | Semlar: consider a variable to allow people with high end machines to load more textures than others. ;) |
| 21:44.26 | Vlad| | just saying, if you run a i7 with wow on a SSD you probably can afford loading 100 textures on the go |
| 21:44.38 | Vlad| | not sure if the same would be said for a quad core CPU like mine and a SATA disk :D |
| 21:44.46 | Semlar | the other problem is it's not going to be able to display the places like azuremyst on the continent map |
| 21:44.46 | SuperPortia | My design sense is tingling... fewer settings are better than more settings. |
| 21:45.07 | Semlar | at least not without doing something really complicated |
| 21:45.09 | SuperPortia | I'd say, don't worry about the continent map at all. |
| 21:45.37 | Semlar | i'd have to like switch maps in the background without changing the map that's being displayed so i could get information about it |
| 21:46.24 | SuperPortia | I think this is one of those cases where the simpler thing to do is also the right thing to do. |
| 21:46.30 | Semlar | simple is good |
| 21:46.43 | SuperPortia | I generally find that to be the case. |
| 21:47.32 | Vlad| | it's important to plan a head so you don't have to go back to recode stuff |
| 21:47.36 | Vlad| | that can get more messy :P |
| 21:48.59 | SuperPortia | I find it depends on whether or not they're truly different problems. If they're different problems, then only the common problems need to be solved and they usually are. Then the two problems need to be tackled separately. |
| 21:49.30 | SuperPortia | In this case the getting textures from locations that aren't directly available is a completely different problem than displaying them for a single zone. |
| 21:52.45 | SuperPortia | So I need an official Nick. I'm thinking of using one of my others FurryZenJustice (that or SuperSheep) |
| 21:53.02 | Vlad| | what is your forum nikc? |
| 21:53.14 | SuperPortia | My main? |
| 21:53.25 | Vlad| | you have a wowinterface account? |
| 21:53.29 | SuperPortia | No |
| 21:53.48 | SuperPortia | Before I go make one for all eternity to publish under I wanted to make sure I liked the name. |
| 21:54.11 | SuperPortia | FurryZenJustice was originally from a picture of a Panda Monk (pre-MoP). |
| 21:54.36 | SuperPortia | Oddly appropriate now and less likely to get me accused of dressing like a furred animal for sexual kinks. |
| 21:54.56 | SuperPortia | That last sentence, by the way, would be awesome to come in on. |
| 21:55.02 | Vlad| | do you dress up like a furred animal? |
| 21:55.07 | SuperPortia | No |
| 21:55.23 | Vlad| | have you considered it? |
| 21:55.32 | SuperPortia | Not my thing |
| 21:55.40 | Vlad| | stage one, denial. |
| 21:56.59 | SuperPortia | I could just as likely ask, "Do you tie raw meat to your feet and walk around? No. Stage one, denial." |
| 21:58.22 | durcyn | sounded like a yiffing proposal to me, you could've just made a friend for life |
| 21:58.41 | Vlad| | lol |
| 21:58.51 | Vlad| | yiffing sounds familiar |
| 21:58.59 | Vlad| | not sure what it means or where I heard/read it : |
| 21:59.08 | SuperPortia | A request for furry sex (had to look it up) |
| 21:59.22 | SuperPortia | I actually had a friend or two awhile back who were furries. |
| 21:59.31 | TC-work | there are a few in channel |
| 21:59.33 | SuperPortia | I could still now, but I don't know. |
| 21:59.44 | ccox | (I'd rather NOT know it) |
| 22:00.19 | SuperPortia | I'm a "whatever you want to do between two consenting adults is fine by me" kind of person. |
| 22:01.09 | Vlad| | lol |
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| 22:07.01 | Vlad| | if my girl wanted to dress up in costumes I wouldn't say no per se |
| 22:08.10 | Vlad| | it's important to be open for suggestions, I guess is what I am trying to say :p lol |
| 22:08.53 | zenzelezz | I don't know, depends on the costume |
| 22:09.03 | zenzelezz | imagine she wanted to dress up as Jar-Jar |
| 22:09.52 | durcyn | well that's just unacceptable |
| 22:09.52 | Vlad| | or worse |
| 22:10.01 | Vlad| | what if she dressed up as justin beaver? |
| 22:10.03 | durcyn | or the ultimate hatefuck, i'm suddenly conflicted |
| 22:10.14 | nevcairiel | Vlad|: then you find a new girl |
| 22:10.20 | Vlad| | :P |
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| 22:15.28 | SuperPortia | So how prevalent is compatibility testing by the people here? Just curious. Just the major mods? More extensive? Is it even practical? |
| 22:16.12 | Vlad| | compatibility with other mods? |
| 22:16.18 | durcyn | we all run automated regression tests against all known code on every commit, obviously |
| 22:16.20 | SuperPortia | Yes |
| 22:16.31 | SuperPortia | Really durcyn? |
| 22:16.33 | SuperPortia | Really? |
| 22:16.42 | durcyn | fuck no, what's even the point? |
| 22:16.58 | SuperPortia | That was said sarcastically. |
| 22:17.22 | durcyn | it's difficult without a simulated wow api, so i don't usually do much beyond making sure it compiles |
| 22:17.34 | SuperPortia | You make sure it compiles? |
| 22:17.39 | durcyn | luac -l -p |
| 22:17.52 | SuperPortia | Cool |
| 22:18.16 | durcyn | but that has bugger-all to do with compatibility testing |
| 22:18.48 | Semlar | i just write everything as self contained as possible |
| 22:20.54 | Semlar | compatibility factors in when you're doing something like adding text to every action button but you know a lot of people use action bar addons |
| 22:21.34 | Semlar | i just put a scroll frame inside of a scroll frame |
| 22:21.34 | SuperPortia | I'm just looking for big breakers of compat. Like, e.g. lots of people use addon X which doesn't play nice with others. |
| 22:22.19 | foxlit | OPie doesn't play nice with anyone. I bet it even doesn't support the loss-of-control cooldown animation that everyone is so excited about :( |
| 22:22.43 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/7MOxr.jpg |
| 22:23.03 | Semlar | now it stays in the map! |
| 22:23.28 | SuperPortia | Awesome |
| 22:23.35 | foxlit | Semlar: now if only you had a tile source that wasn't the minimap :) |
| 22:23.36 | SuperPortia | You'll have to let me know when you're done with it. |
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| 22:24.06 | Semlar | you want me to draw my own tiles foxlit |
| 22:24.10 | foxlit | Yes! |
| 22:24.17 | SuperPortia | Of course, doesn't everyone? |
| 22:24.19 | Semlar | that sounds like an awful lot of work |
| 22:24.22 | foxlit | Some kind of vector map of the world. |
| 22:24.31 | SuperPortia | And you'll need to finish before the next content patch. |
| 22:24.34 | foxlit | think those old tactical maps of AQ and stuff |
| 22:24.39 | foxlit | next content patch? YESTERDAY! |
| 22:24.44 | Semlar | i could use what the botters do to create paths |
| 22:25.09 | Semlar | i'm sure that wouldn't be against anything |
| 22:25.22 | Semlar | http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/4088/wmdurotar.png |
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| 22:25.36 | SuperPortia | I had a friend once who told me she used bots in WoW. Was pissed. |
| 22:25.58 | foxlit | mildly pretty. |
| 22:26.05 | SuperPortia | Yep |
| 22:26.09 | Semlar | http://i49.tinypic.com/2502vib.jpg it does look pretty cool |
| 22:26.11 | foxlit | Now just need to figure out how much of that terrain is irrelevant and draw a good contour map |
| 22:26.22 | Dagmar | Ah there's no point. JUst have a timer go off every 10-15 seconds to message the player "U DAMN NOOB" and "WRONG WAY ASHOLE" |
| 22:26.38 | Dagmar | It'll be just like recieving personal instruction from an elite raider |
| 22:26.47 | Semlar | DON'T STAND IN THAT |
| 22:27.01 | SuperPortia | I like the nice touch of dropping the extra S in ASSHOLE |
| 22:27.05 | foxlit | Someone should totally implement that crab. |
| 22:27.16 | SuperPortia | That's the kind of detail orientedness you need to be a good dev. |
| 22:28.24 | SuperPortia | Alright, be back later. "Work" is finally over. |
| 22:28.38 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/LKo1j.jpg this may need some sort of restrictions |
| 22:28.56 | Vlad| | beautiful :P |
| 22:29.10 | SuperPortia | I'd flag certain zones for non-magnification. |
| 22:29.18 | Semlar | i could probably just ignore all microdungeons |
| 22:29.25 | SuperPortia | Yeah |
| 22:29.37 | SuperPortia | Otherwise every cave is going to look awful. |
| 22:29.41 | SuperPortia | Anyways, be back later. |
| 22:29.52 | Semlar | actually there's a way to detect if a multilevel map uses the terrain, i forgot about that |
| 22:31.58 | Semlar | i know what the zoom level is so i could also disable it if it's less than or greater than a certain amount |
| 22:33.01 | Vlad| | and all BG right? |
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| 22:34.55 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/GHbkh.jpg |
| 22:35.33 | Vlad| | or an idea |
| 22:35.55 | Vlad| | how about letting the user decide if it should just show all minimap in BGs? :D |
| 22:36.04 | Vlad| | I'd like that for let's say WSG or BFG |
| 22:36.07 | Vlad| | ^^ |
| 22:36.44 | Semlar | you want to just replace the entire map with terrain textures |
| 22:38.27 | Vlad| | it depends, the map is so small one might perhaps prefer that :3 |
| 22:40.14 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/pj6wP.jpg |
| 22:41.05 | Vlad| | ^^ |
| 22:41.23 | Semlar | the maps have some junk textures around the edges |
| 22:43.13 | Semlar | not much i can do about that without manually setting the limits for certain maps |
| 22:43.39 | Semlar | or letting the user do it themselves |
| 22:44.15 | Vlad| | don't worry about it |
| 22:44.17 | Vlad| | that's blizzards fault :p |
| 22:44.18 | Vlad| | lol |
| 22:45.29 | Semlar | basically anywhere you can't get to in-game they just kind of used as a palette |
| 22:46.10 | Semlar | the edges around deepholm look ridiculous |
| 22:48.09 | *** join/#wowuidev nilyaK (~Kaylin@c-67-201-227-50.reshall.wwu.edu) |
| 22:48.29 | Vlad| | yeah |
| 22:59.20 | Semlar | vlad, superportia: http://semlar.com/Loupe.zip |
| 22:59.34 | Semlar | not done yet but you can play with it |
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| 23:00.20 | Semlar | its resource usage is going to be through the roof right now |
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| 23:05.07 | TC-work | over 9000? |
| 23:08.23 | Vlad| | :D |
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| 23:15.10 | kd3 | damn it, blizz |
| 23:15.19 | kd3 | so the cradle of chi-ji students are either evading or immortal |
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| 23:22.31 | foxlit | always been that way? |
| 23:22.45 | foxlit | They hit low health, regen to full, run away. |
| 23:23.12 | Vlad| | it's been quitebuggy yes |
| 23:23.16 | kd3 | what happens now is that they hit low health and don't go friendly |
| 23:23.21 | kd3 | they keep staying hostile and attacking |
| 23:23.26 | kd3 | the only way to get credit is to let them kill you |
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| 23:24.09 | foxlit | ouch |
| 23:24.10 | kd3 | the other half are just permanently evade-bugged and can't be attacked at all |
| 23:24.34 | Vlad| | that is a new bug in 5.1 |
| 23:24.43 | Vlad| | but I noticed that the crane mobs evade randomly too :p |
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| 23:26.04 | foxlit | http://www.go-hero.net/i/uhd-curse.png << incredibly annoying web design |
| 23:27.03 | foxlit | (There's more text in that description, but it's cut off in a scrollable box with no indication that the box is scrollable) |
| 23:28.21 | End_ | hm |
| 23:28.27 | End_ | the scrollbar shows up for me |
| 23:29.02 | Vlad| | same |
| 23:29.04 | Vlad| | :P |
| 23:29.06 | TC-work | I Zoo like Maxim for Ausies? |
| 23:29.12 | TC-work | Is* |
| 23:29.21 | Vlad| | http://i.imgur.com/vspMU.jpg |
| 23:33.48 | haste | http://troeks.com/images/games/2012-12-01-003144_2560x1440_scrot.png not wasting my weekend or anything! |
| 23:33.49 | Vlad| | shame we couldn't chat today karl_w_w, you seemed busy tonight :P |
| 23:34.05 | Dewin | Hmm. Is there a way to get a datestamp for when a statistic (as in the other half of achievements) was updated? |
| 23:34.15 | Vlad| | not statistics |
| 23:34.19 | Dewin | Figures. |
| 23:34.40 | Dewin | Was thinking of some outside-the-box approaches for figuring out if I've done Sha of Anger yet this week |
| 23:35.29 | Vlad| | there is no "flag" available to us sadly :( |
| 23:35.45 | Vlad| | no clue how we can track this as it's a server side thing |
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| 23:41.32 | Mr_Rabies | ung |
| 23:41.36 | Mr_Rabies | i love patch week |
| 23:41.45 | Mr_Rabies | nothing like firing up curse client and seeing 6 updates |
| 23:41.52 | Mr_Rabies | it's like scratching an itch |
| 23:42.59 | Mr_Rabies | i really wish curse client didn't prevent queueing up updates, it's frustrating |
| 23:43.31 | Mr_Rabies | i understand limiting cocurrent downloads and not allowing automatic updates, but making you manually click "update" on each one kinda sucks :( |
| 23:43.55 | TC-work | Then pay your money like a good little boy |
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| 23:47.40 | Mr_Rabies | it's too much :< |
| 23:47.48 | Mr_Rabies | if it was cheaper or more valuable perhaps |
| 23:48.09 | Semlar__ | i've had free curse premium from one addon i uploaded |
| 23:48.59 | Semlar__ | i don't use it |
| 23:51.43 | chiel | hmm |
| 23:52.13 | chiel | if I want to put party/raid frames I spawn with oUF into a separate frame for positioning purposes, I would simply create that frame with `CreateFrame('Frame')`, right? |
| 23:52.43 | Semlar__ | you could |
| 23:53.17 | Semlar__ | you could also just anchor the frames to whatever you want |
| 23:54.16 | Semlar__ | make sure you make it a child of UIParent |
| 23:54.38 | chiel | yeah atm the frames are all in UIParent |
| 23:54.50 | chiel | but I'd like to create an additional frame to make positioning a bit easier |
| 23:55.26 | Semlar__ | you'll create the frame, set the size and point |
| 23:55.42 | Semlar__ | that's all you need |
| 23:55.49 | chiel | and making something a child of something, that's simply achieved by using SetPoint('TOP', <parent frame name>) |
| 23:55.57 | chiel | alright cool |
| 23:56.08 | chiel | if I give the parent frame no dimensions, it should make difference though, right? |
| 23:56.21 | Semlar__ | CreateFrame('frame', nil UIParent) |
| 23:56.45 | Semlar__ | with the missing comma |
| 23:57.20 | Semlar__ | i'm on a tablet with a crappy onscreen keyboard |
| 23:58.17 | Semlar__ | if the frame has no dimensions i think you can't anchor frames to it |
| 23:58.30 | chiel | ah |
| 23:58.32 | chiel | hmm |
| 23:58.43 | chiel | annoying :p |
