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| 01:01.31 | Arrowmaster | ok in 1 hour i can try hanging my framed double fine adventure poster on this sticky nail thingy and get a pic of it |
| 01:03.11 | Arrowmaster | kinda bad i spent more on framing the poster than i pledged to get it |
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| 03:28.04 | bleeter | anyone got a list of "my guild is so fail" gags? |
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| 04:52.23 | Arrowmaster | Cairenn: http://imgur.com/r/gaming/n5p3p |
| 04:53.29 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 04:53.45 | Cairenn | Surprised the Chr is only 18 |
| 04:54.31 | Arrowmaster | cant have higher than 18 base in any stat without race modifiers |
| 04:54.52 | Arrowmaster | in D&D humans dont get racial modifiers to stats, in Pathfinder they do though |
| 04:54.55 | Cairenn | baby == major race modifier |
| 04:55.21 | Cairenn | (and I know that) |
| 04:55.47 | Fisker | baby isn't a race |
| 04:55.49 | Fisker | haste |
| 04:55.49 | Cairenn | but I still contend that babies are a race unto themselves |
| 04:56.07 | Cairenn | and it sends their chr skyrocketing |
| 04:56.21 | Cairenn | except when their diapers are full |
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| 05:03.39 | kd3 | ick. ick! http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/11/25/oregon-beaverton-dui-crash/1725151/ |
| 05:03.53 | karl_w_w | http://imgur.com/gallery/WxfvE |
| 05:04.34 | Cairenn | oooooh fuck, I'd be freaking out in that guy's place |
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| 05:05.35 | Cairenn | karl_w_w: no, on multiple counts |
| 05:10.52 | karl_w_w | no? |
| 05:12.07 | Cairenn | no |
| 05:13.21 | bleeter | yes! |
| 05:13.30 | karl_w_w | maybe |
| 05:13.58 | karl_w_w | so i heard stephen harper is a popular guy |
| 05:14.26 | karl_w_w | world's most beloved leader |
| 05:14.36 | Cairenn | also no |
| 05:15.00 | bleeter | this is the one we can actually really blame canada for, yes? |
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| 05:46.39 | haste | hey Fisker |
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| 07:23.14 | jnwhiteh | Anyone have a spare Ingress invite for rtharper? =) |
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| 08:34.43 | Maldivia | I don't even have one, so no spare :/ |
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| 09:32.14 | karl_w_w | I can go one better than that Maldivia, I've never even heard of Ingress before :P |
| 09:34.02 | karl_w_w | interesting |
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| 10:21.48 | karl_w_w | Vlad|! :D |
| 10:21.54 | karl_w_w | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7oGx2dImE8 |
| 10:22.09 | Vlad| | let's see |
| 10:23.11 | Vlad| | nice lyrics |
| 10:26.01 | AcidWeb | http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdjfls2B5x1r0uk07o3_400.png |
| 10:26.03 | AcidWeb | Cooking 101 |
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| 10:54.33 | Vlad| | karl |
| 10:54.49 | Vlad| | it seems like the delta API to get item stats differences, assumes heirlooms go above their limited level... ? |
| 10:58.51 | Fisker | i want my nexus 4 haste |
| 10:58.56 | Fisker | hey jnwhiteh |
| 11:00.13 | Fisker | 0 invites remaining |
| 11:00.14 | Fisker | bam |
| 11:00.29 | Vlad| | :( |
| 11:00.31 | Vlad| | no one is interested |
| 11:00.37 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: word |
| 11:01.25 | Fisker | there's nothing down here :D |
| 11:01.35 | Fisker | so i could only play the tutorial |
| 11:02.53 | haste | I want my nexus 4 Fisker |
| 11:03.22 | Fisker | no haste |
| 11:03.22 | Fisker | i want my nexus 4 |
| 11:04.27 | Vlad| | http://www.wowhead.com/item=42947 scales 90 but it doesn't say that in the tooltip, yet the delta API returns the real values :) |
| 11:04.33 | Vlad| | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:04.45 | Vlad| | 1000 int, 814 crit, 1222 sta, 3285 dps and 5150 sp |
| 11:06.02 | haste | I like how you embedded the item string _and_ use GetItemInfo |
| 11:06.16 | haste | with an itemid |
| 11:08.16 | Vlad| | isn't it obvious? |
| 11:08.22 | Vlad| | 255 char limit |
| 11:08.44 | Vlad| | hit the limit and got an error so had to shorten it :P |
| 11:09.05 | Vlad| | besides I don't think you can use the api to set the heirloom level, hmm |
| 11:09.26 | chiel | damn, you guys spammed a lot :p |
| 11:09.52 | chiel | you pushed all the stuff cbreak-work wrote about math.log :D |
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| 11:10.06 | haste | Vlad|: but you can get the name through GetItemInfo _and_ it would be shorter |
| 11:10.20 | Vlad| | ehm... |
| 11:10.25 | bluipodcow | Hi2u haste |
| 11:10.38 | cbreak-work | hmm? |
| 11:10.57 | Vlad| | I just assumed it takes a link, because it didn't like the itemID |
| 11:11.02 | Vlad| | so delta API is kind of weird |
| 11:11.55 | haste | hi bluipodcow |
| 11:14.07 | Vlad| | so all heirlooms go to 90 |
| 11:14.07 | Vlad| | :P |
| 11:15.05 | chiel | i wish all heirlooms went to 90... >.< |
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| 11:28.54 | cbreak-work | chiel: what's with math.log? |
| 11:28.59 | Vlad| | stats wise, they do :3 |
| 11:30.06 | Fisker | haste ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) |
| 11:30.21 | Vlad| | ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) |
| 11:30.43 | haste | DAT face |
| 11:31.00 | haste | （ °‿‿°） |
| 11:33.13 | chiel | cbreak-work: I was going to look at it today, but I didn't copy it yet, now it's gone from my irc backlog. :P |
| 11:33.21 | chiel | cbreak-work: I'm sure I can figure it out though :) |
| 11:33.43 | cbreak-work | maybe purl knows more |
| 11:33.46 | cbreak-work | !logs |
| 11:33.48 | chiel | Vlad|: you mean the stats keep growing until 90? |
| 11:33.54 | Vlad| | jupp |
| 11:33.56 | chiel | !logs |
| 11:34.06 | chiel | hm, doesn't seem to do anything |
| 11:34.07 | cbreak-work | I don't know the command :) |
| 11:34.10 | chiel | Vlad|: cool, did not know that. |
| 11:34.13 | chiel | ah :) |
| 11:34.15 | chiel | !help |
| 11:34.15 | batbot | chiel: http://lua-users.org/wiki/BatBot |
| 11:34.30 | cbreak-work | but the channel topic says purl logs this channel |
| 11:34.31 | chiel | that's not it... :p |
| 11:34.38 | Vlad| | me neither, not until my stats comparing addon said that my 80 staff is better than my current item, because the delta API doesn't cap like the tooltip stats caps :P |
| 11:35.51 | chiel | oh, only just noticed the battle tag list. |
| 11:36.02 | chiel | to stalk people in game as well? :p |
| 11:36.12 | Vlad| | prey tell, chiel |
| 11:37.24 | chiel | it's kinda surprising Blood Legion still hasn't killed Sha of Fear :p |
| 11:37.40 | Vlad| | maybe some cheat was involved? :P |
| 11:37.50 | Vlad| | and they do it the legit way, shrug, duggon |
| 11:37.52 | Vlad| | don't know* |
| 11:37.53 | Vlad| | :P |
| 11:38.16 | cbreak-work | I killed a sha |
| 11:50.40 | karl_w_w | yeah fitting complex macros in 255 characters is an art form |
| 11:51.26 | karl_w_w | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fo6aKnRnBxM |
| 11:51.36 | karl_w_w | saxamaphone |
| 12:04.15 | chiel | 30 second ads on youtube need to fuck off honestly |
| 12:04.25 | chiel | I live right near baker street :D |
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| 12:39.32 | Vlad| | thanks for praising my macro-fitting-skill, karl ;) |
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| 12:45.04 | chiel | does anyone know where you can view the logs from channel by purl |
| 12:45.31 | haste | ~logs |
| 12:45.31 | purl | All conversations are logged to http://purl.rikers.org/%23wowuidev/ Lines starting with spaces are not logged. Logs are updated daily. |
| 12:45.37 | chiel | aha :) |
| 12:45.44 | chiel | thanks! :) |
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| 12:54.38 | chiel | cbreak-work: so i'm looking at the logarithm stuff now, and i get how the lookup table would look and all |
| 12:55.12 | chiel | but i guess i should somehow use that table index to find the amount i should be dividing the original number by, correct? |
| 12:59.15 | chiel | gonna go pick up some lunch, back soon. |
| 13:04.21 | Fisker | any news on my Nexus 4 haste ? |
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| 16:06.39 | Dagmar | I'm wondering if I should direct an "It's Cyber Monday... so... what are you wearing?" at Felicia Day |
| 16:08.33 | Dagmar | I think this joke has great potential. |
| 16:08.38 | Arrowmaster | do it |
| 16:10.00 | Vlad| | Peppy-gone: when you had to learn your company LDAP system how was it, was it hard? well documented how to approach it? |
| 16:10.19 | Dagmar | Now I suppose I'll find out how many angry, hyper-defensive stalkers Day has |
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| 16:28.32 | bluipodcow | You may be eaten by a grue, Dagmar |
| 16:28.47 | TC-work | He should be so lucky |
| 16:28.47 | nilyaK | suggests turning back. |
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| 16:32.37 | Dagmar | CPU selected. |
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| 16:46.56 | Peppy-gone | Vlad, I tell it exactly one thing - gimme the user. I feed it three lines of code. There's no learning curve as someone who accesses the already existing LDAP. |
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| 17:03.09 | Dagmar | Half an hour later, no nastygrams in my boxes. An unqualified success I think |
| 17:03.13 | Dagmar | Good enough |
| 17:09.41 | TC-work | yet |
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| 18:07.15 | g0urra | is the Toshiba Satellite L850-1FF any good? |
| 18:08.14 | TC-work | that kinda depends on what you want it for |
| 18:09.04 | g0urra | not any serious gaming, mostly just for surfing and watching movies |
| 18:09.26 | Semlar | desktop replacement? |
| 18:09.33 | g0urra | no |
| 18:09.48 | g0urra | it's for when I'm out traveling or otherwise not home for a while |
| 18:10.35 | Semlar | i don't really like toshiba |
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| 18:14.30 | foxlit | g0urra: horrible resolution for a 15.6 inch display |
| 18:15.32 | nevcairiel | horrible resolution for anything above 10" really |
| 18:15.46 | Semlar | lenovo usually makes pretty good laptops |
| 18:16.33 | Semlar | everyone at my highschool had a dell latitude which they somehow managed not to break too often |
| 18:16.46 | g0urra | foxlit: so what would you recommend? |
| 18:18.14 | foxlit | How often do you travel, and what sort of web browsing do you do? |
| 18:18.28 | TC-work | well you have a triangle/square of price, weight, power and battery life. |
| 18:18.46 | TC-work | they are all mutually exclusive more or less |
| 18:18.56 | TC-work | kinda need to pick what you want |
| 18:19.07 | g0urra | I don't usually travel much but I also use it when I feel to lazy to get on the computer |
| 18:19.27 | g0urra | and what do you mean by "what sort of web browsing"? |
| 18:19.47 | Semlar | porn obviously what else is there |
| 18:19.56 | g0urra | warcraft porn |
| 18:20.00 | g0urra | dat draenei |
| 18:20.13 | Stanzilla | ping mikma |
| 18:20.39 | Semlar | how much were you looking to spend |
| 18:21.42 | mikma | stanzilla: pong |
| 18:21.54 | g0urra | max 930 euro / 1200 USD |
| 18:22.00 | foxlit | Thing is, if you just occasionally want to watch movies and browse the web (passively reading things), some sort of tablet is probably the most portable option. |
| 18:22.06 | Stanzilla | mikma: did you give a guy called "napster85" permission to rerelease wormhole on curse? |
| 18:22.08 | Lopeppeppy | 'cause you could do that with a... what foxlit said. |
| 18:22.13 | Semlar | don't get a tablet |
| 18:22.14 | g0urra | blech tablets |
| 18:22.16 | g0urra | no ty |
| 18:22.17 | mikma | stanzilla: maybe |
| 18:22.29 | Stanzilla | mikma: I need to know :P |
| 18:22.36 | foxlit | On the other hand, if you don't travel often, and don't care about lugging weight around, grab a decent 15 inch notebook and keep in on your desk. Then you can chat on IRC while playing AC3 on the desktop. |
| 18:22.46 | Semlar | i have a tablet and i'm never buying another computer without a keyboard |
| 18:22.54 | TC-work | Because you really need to chat while playing a game..... |
| 18:23.02 | Lopeppeppy | You can have keyboards with tablets.... |
| 18:23.29 | mikma | stanzilla: a person called lefteris123 asked "I edit your addon for personal use. and I though to make it public with gredits to you ofc. I have the permission to do that?" and i replied "yes you have." this is in wowi |
| 18:23.49 | Stanzilla | mikma: this guy wrote "*Note also that the original author is mikma, and that his direct permission to re-release this modification has been given*" |
| 18:24.31 | foxlit | You could also get a wireless keyboard if you do need to type things. |
| 18:24.34 | mikma | stanzilla: so i'm guessing he might be the same dood |
| 18:24.41 | TC-work | don't seem to be the same person with the variation in language |
| 18:24.49 | Stanzilla | mikma: probably, want me to decline or approve him? |
| 18:25.09 | mikma | stanzilla: approve him |
| 18:25.16 | Stanzilla | alright |
| 18:25.17 | Stanzilla | thanks |
| 18:25.34 | Stanzilla | mikma: http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/wormhole-mop/ |
| 18:27.39 | mikma | stanzilla: i can't understand why people love those outdated addons so much, there's even a popup menu ingame when you click the teleport for god's sake! |
| 18:27.50 | Stanzilla | yeah I know |
| 18:30.10 | Semlar | g0urra you might look at the IdeaPad Y580, they have one for $900 on lenovo's website that's more powerful than my desktop |
| 18:32.30 | TC-work | Get a better desktop |
| 18:32.57 | Semlar | i don't need a better desktop |
| 18:33.06 | TC-work | Lies! |
| 18:33.17 | Semlar | you can get me one |
| 18:33.36 | TC-work | I could, yes. |
| 18:33.51 | Semlar | we'll call it an early christmas present |
| 18:34.19 | TC-work | We can call it many things. A gift is not one of them. |
| 18:34.27 | karl_w_w | lol |
| 18:34.31 | Mr_Rabies | maybe people like your implementation better :p (plus the new cities' portals aren't in the portal popout yet) |
| 18:34.54 | karl_w_w | Just because something is better than what you happen to have, doesn't make it the best :P |
| 18:35.08 | Semlar | i didn't say it was |
| 18:35.12 | TC-work | No one said anything about best |
| 18:35.24 | Semlar | it meets his criteria though |
| 18:35.50 | Semlar | although it's pretty bulky for a laptop, it seemed like he didn't need something all that portable |
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| 19:06.42 | TC-work | ... |
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| 19:12.04 | karl_w_w | prods Thunder_Child |
| 19:12.14 | karl_w_w | I think it's alive. |
| 19:12.25 | TC-work | I think so as well, took a while though |
| 19:19.41 | karl_w_w | So are we supposed to cyber now, TC-work? |
| 19:32.09 | TC-work | What do i get out of it karl_w_w? |
| 19:33.03 | Dagmar | Well, it *is* Cyber Monday. |
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| 19:35.09 | karl_w_w | Thanks Dagmar. |
| 19:35.33 | TC-work | Yes, i know what day it is. |
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| 19:37.14 | Dagmar | I think with a little work, by this time next year we can turn the tide a bit and have people firmly convinced that Cyber Monday is the sleaziest holiday of them all |
| 19:41.58 | karl_w_w | no, nothing will beat devour a turkey day in that regard |
| 19:42.26 | TC-work | Thats not sleazy |
| 19:42.29 | karl_w_w | if cyber monday catches up, devour a turkey day will just shift slightly toward bestiality |
| 19:42.37 | TC-work | despite how much meat you put in your mouth |
| 19:42.49 | karl_w_w | triple penetration |
| 19:42.57 | TC-work | turducken? |
| 19:43.26 | karl_w_w | exactly :P |
| 19:44.12 | Lopeppeppy | Eeew. Salmonella ducken. |
| 19:45.39 | TC-work | Now with extra sick! |
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| 19:52.29 | jnwhiteh | hrm.. ingress doesn't seem to think I have an invite |
| 19:53.33 | jnwhiteh | but only on the website |
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| 19:56.10 | karl_w_w | http://au.answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AorpQff0ZonX_VjeeYLxRxnfvIlQ;_ylv=3?qid=20121126104521AAzea6L lol |
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| 19:59.05 | TC-work | It's not that funny karl_w_w, it's sad |
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| 20:00.24 | karl_w_w | just the idea that people think there's such thing as a comedian course |
| 20:01.04 | TC-work | If harry potter is a valid course, that had better be |
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| 20:03.43 | karl_w_w | harry potter is a valid course? |
| 20:04.01 | Lopeppeppy | Yes. Especially in literature overview courses. |
| 20:04.04 | TC-work | as an English course, yes. |
| 20:04.05 | foxlit | Naval missions bug me |
| 20:04.19 | foxlit | There are bonus objectives of the form "limit ally health loss to 50%", and allies start at like 55% health :/ |
| 20:04.27 | Dagmar | There's too many places a different interpretation of the word "course" could go |
| 20:04.29 | Lopeppeppy | Having such a long series allows for evaluating the writer over time, the evolution of characters, continuity, how books are made into films, etc. Lots of good topics. |
| 20:06.12 | Fisker | haste |
| 20:06.20 | karl_w_w | i cant think of a good gay woman stereotype |
| 20:06.23 | haste | Fisker Fisker |
| 20:06.59 | karl_w_w | <TC-work> as an English course, yes. <- not at university though, surely |
| 20:07.11 | TC-work | karl_w_w: yup |
| 20:07.20 | TC-work | that's exactly where it is |
| 20:07.20 | karl_w_w | crazy |
| 20:11.27 | bleeter | god damn I'm slow, only just noticed Blackened Defias set is no longer obtainable. Knew I should've finished my twinking a lvl 19 rogue ages ago! |
| 20:11.30 | bleeter | kicks dirt |
| 20:16.10 | Fisker | why haste ? |
| 20:16.17 | karl_w_w | kicking dirt up seems like a very roguish thing to do, nice staying in character bleeter :P |
| 20:16.17 | haste | because |
| 20:17.07 | Fisker | :( |
| 20:17.11 | Fisker | but i got my sgs3 back |
| 20:17.36 | bleeter | karl_w_w: no worries bloke, gotta stay in character 'coz by oath CRZ is screwing with the realm's RP |
| 20:18.01 | bleeter | fecking impossible to stay 'in character' when people keep vanishing in and out of chat |
| 20:18.22 | Dagmar | You could always form a custom channel |
| 20:19.58 | bleeter | a custom channel... to do 'general' RP in each Zone? How novel. Maybe us RPers could ask Blizz to set one up for us by default. Maybe even call it 'General' ohwait ;) |
| 20:21.22 | karl_w_w | people don't vanish in and out of chat unless they leave the zone |
| 20:21.49 | Dagmar | Well, you could always just ratchet up the level of public masturbation until the rest of the playerbase starts installing addons to remove them from General outside of any major city or village area |
| 20:23.01 | Dagmar | Frankly I think ya'll are a special case that maybe Blizz should do something specific about |
| 20:23.11 | bleeter | karl_w_w: coulda sworn similar myself. last couple of nights in hyjal does kinda make me wonder. |
| 20:24.08 | bleeter | Dagmar: LFR and CRZ, from the point of view of a limited number of RPers I've spoken to, do very little and in fact may harm in the long term, RPers. Which we agree would be a shame for.. an... mmoRPg |
| 20:24.21 | Dagmar | A very small minority of the RPers seem to be incurablye perverts. |
| 20:24.29 | karl_w_w | <Dagmar> Frankly I think ya'll are a special case that maybe Blizz should do something specific about <- I agree, I support segregation :P |
| 20:24.38 | Dagmar | The rest seem to largely stay out of everyone else's way, and for that I think they deserve some support |
| 20:24.45 | bleeter | Dagmar: no, that's just humanity |
| 20:24.56 | bleeter | (the pervert thing) |
| 20:25.11 | Dagmar | karl_w_w: Unlike certain other minority groups, I don't see them making asses of themselves demanding special treatment |
| 20:25.30 | Dagmar | It kinda tells me that they might be worth special treatment regardless |
| 20:26.39 | bleeter | wait, you think RPers saying RP may be being damaged in an MMORPG is asking for 'special treatment'? Next you'll be saying kids asking for an education at a school is over the top :P |
| 20:26.44 | Dagmar | bleeter: The word "humanity" you just used there... I think perhaps you might be in denial about just how kinky some of these m'fers are |
| 20:27.36 | Dagmar | bleeter: Saying it's one thing. Jumping up and down screaming "CRZ IS RUINING EVERYFING" (which is decidedly not happening) is different |
| 20:28.14 | Dagmar | They seem to be respectful of non-RPers enough to not go acting a fool on non-RP servers, so I don't see a problem with segregating them |
| 20:28.25 | Dagmar | Tit for tat |
| 20:28.51 | Mr_Rabies | i always feel a little embarassed when i'm grouped with rpers in dungeons |
| 20:29.07 | Mr_Rabies | at least now that transmog exists they're not trying to tank in level 30 greens anymore |
| 20:29.14 | Dagmar | Non-RP can survive in the presence of RP, but RP is decidedly diluted by non-RP |
| 20:29.40 | Dagmar | Plus, it's like they're the last bastion of players who aren't complete universal cocktards |
| 20:30.12 | Mr_Rabies | i disagree |
| 20:30.18 | Mr_Rabies | they're just their own variety |
| 20:31.03 | Dagmar | They don't make me want to kill them. |
| 20:31.10 | bleeter | Dagmar: Dagmar when the point of CRZ is to have low-pop zones questing together so folks get chatting and stuff about questing building relationships... is kinda defeated when all one does is spend time going 'where are you? you've vanished again!' |
| 20:31.23 | bleeter | Dagmar: fwiw, the RP & PVPRPers are segregated in CRZ |
| 20:31.33 | Dagmar | bleeter: OHhh that's good then |
| 20:31.40 | Mr_Rabies | you could always group with them |
| 20:31.47 | Dagmar | Grouping makes people stick to one zone |
| 20:31.49 | bleeter | which is why Darnassus on our realm is three hours behind the rest of Azeroth and Outland |
| 20:31.57 | bleeter | at least that's the only explanation I've found so far |
| 20:32.08 | Mr_Rabies | honestly, i really wish the ingame hours were shorter |
| 20:32.21 | Mr_Rabies | like, every 4-6 hours is a full day/night cycle |
| 20:32.24 | Dagmar | How much shorter do they need to be? |
| 20:32.37 | bleeter | over 9000! |
| 20:32.41 | Mr_Rabies | it kind of sucks to only see zones at night |
| 20:32.41 | Dagmar | They used to be tied to realtime |
| 20:32.47 | Mr_Rabies | they still are |
| 20:32.56 | Dagmar | I thought it was something like double the speed |
| 20:32.57 | Mr_Rabies | they're set to server time |
| 20:33.01 | Mr_Rabies | nope |
| 20:33.07 | Dagmar | I'm not so sure about that |
| 20:33.16 | karl_w_w | what on earth |
| 20:33.16 | Mr_Rabies | it's still server time, sunrise/sunset at the same time every day |
| 20:33.34 | karl_w_w | well shit really, what a crazy concept! |
| 20:33.38 | bleeter | our darnassus is still 3 hours behind the rest of azeroth :P |
| 20:33.41 | karl_w_w | ^sarcasm |
| 20:33.54 | bleeter | or was it two, I dunno. I can't count past 1 anyway |
| 20:34.01 | Mr_Rabies | it should be way shorter, imo karl_w_w |
| 20:34.06 | Mr_Rabies | 1:1 scale kind of sucks |
| 20:34.19 | Dagmar | I am almost *never* playing during the day |
| 20:34.28 | Mr_Rabies | exactly |
| 20:34.37 | Dagmar | I see the sun plenty tho |
| 20:34.37 | Mr_Rabies | it's why they made nighttime way less dark after vanilla in all realms |
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| 20:34.49 | bleeter | yeah |
| 20:34.49 | Dagmar | They should have left it that dark |
| 20:35.00 | Mr_Rabies | depends on the time of the server, dagmar |
| 20:35.01 | Mr_Rabies | not your time |
| 20:35.17 | bleeter | maybe they can get more spacegoats together to go steal another sun so we can have two days every day |
| 20:35.28 | Mr_Rabies | well that's the thing |
| 20:35.31 | Dagmar | The first time I played during daylight hours in CB I was like "Holy fuck what is going on" |
| 20:35.33 | Mr_Rabies | azeroth isn't earth |
| 20:35.41 | Mr_Rabies | who's to say it has 24 hour days |
| 20:36.15 | Dagmar | ...and even then nighttime was still pretty damn weaksauce |
| 20:36.18 | Mr_Rabies | it has two moons, that's different enough from earth |
| 20:36.20 | Dagmar | Bring back original EQ nighttime. |
| 20:36.27 | Mr_Rabies | ew |
| 20:36.43 | Mr_Rabies | i'm glad eq exists as a shining example of what not to do with an mmorpg now |
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| 20:36.56 | Dagmar | Darkness so thick you can't run without a torch because you'll never see that cliff in time |
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| 20:37.29 | Dagmar | Most of what was in EQ was crap. Day/night wasn't one of those things, until they nerfed it |
| 20:37.56 | Dagmar | If it was night, you could TELL without having to carefully scrutinize the sky looking for the absence of a sun |
| 20:37.57 | Mr_Rabies | i think day/night being properly contrasted is nice, if the day/night cycle is shortened |
| 20:37.58 | TC-work | I still prefer XP loss on death, weeded out a lot of fail. |
| 20:38.15 | Mr_Rabies | ew |
| 20:38.17 | Mr_Rabies | no |
| 20:38.27 | karl_w_w | yes |
| 20:38.31 | TC-work | I guess you were some of that fail |
| 20:38.42 | Mr_Rabies | that's an awful mechanic |
| 20:38.56 | Dagmar | I can deal with xp-loss on death, but ther's no good way to implement it |
| 20:38.59 | karl_w_w | if you can't survive you don't deserbe to |
| 20:39.08 | Dagmar | ...not without getting really complex |
| 20:39.26 | Dagmar | Like, maybe double hte penalty each time you die with xpdebt still unpaid |
| 20:39.28 | TC-work | what mechanic? you die, you lose xp |
| 20:39.41 | Mr_Rabies | there are way better ways to descentivize death |
| 20:39.43 | Dagmar | ...but the initial penalty should be pretty cheap. |
| 20:39.57 | Dagmar | Like, "Ooo... you died. Lose 5 minutes worth of XP" |
| 20:40.11 | Mr_Rabies | repair costs are probably too low in general, but the problem exists at the raid level of it just hemmoraging your money while learning bosses |
| 20:40.12 | TC-work | it was based on level i think |
| 20:40.15 | Dagmar | EQs penalty was too fucking much |
| 20:40.31 | Mr_Rabies | i still think it's really bad to penalize in that manner |
| 20:40.38 | Mr_Rabies | basically you're just making it grindier, not harder |
| 20:40.41 | Dagmar | Mr_Rabies: Yeah I'm sort of thinking that once you get to cap, XP-loss on death should maybe just not happen |
| 20:41.07 | Mr_Rabies | grindiness is the antithesis to good mmorpg design |
| 20:41.11 | Dagmar | Mr_Rabies: Actually, I don't think making it grindier is a good or necessary thing |
| 20:41.22 | Mr_Rabies | that's exactly what an xp loss on death does |
| 20:41.27 | TC-work | It's only grindy if you die.... |
| 20:41.33 | Mr_Rabies | it's bad for business, it's bad for customer experience |
| 20:41.42 | Mr_Rabies | i think they should just make the world mobs harder |
| 20:41.54 | Dagmar | ...but if you started with a pretty trivial penalty that got progressively more unforgiving the more often you failed consecutively, it might be able to keep the short bus riders in check |
| 20:41.58 | Mr_Rabies | not harder to kill in terms of health |
| 20:42.04 | Mr_Rabies | but hit harder, more abilities, etc |
| 20:42.31 | Semlar | "you've proven you can't do this content by dying, let's make it more difficult for you" |
| 20:42.33 | Dagmar | If you lost 3-5 minutes worth of XP (like two mobs) for an isolated death or two a day, no one would care |
| 20:42.38 | Mr_Rabies | exactly, semlar |
| 20:42.45 | Mr_Rabies | it's terirble, terrible design |
| 20:42.52 | Mr_Rabies | except spelled right |
| 20:42.56 | Dagmar | Semlar: No, the idea is to kick them back to the easier areas until they learn what they're doing |
| 20:42.59 | Unkle | XP-loss on death in EQ wasn't just a punishment for your own error, but the errors of others too. I could lose a week's worth of leveling because someone else was stupid and dragged half a zone to the zone line. There is NOTHING good about that design. |
| 20:43.16 | TC-work | I loved trains |
| 20:43.30 | Mr_Rabies | I LIKE TRAINS |
| 20:43.36 | Dagmar | Unkle: Hence why I say the inital cost for XP loss should have been much, muhc lower |
| 20:43.37 | Semlar | lots and lots of trains? |
| 20:43.46 | Mr_Rabies | clickety clack down the track |
| 20:43.56 | Mr_Rabies | it's lots and lots of traaaaaaains |
| 20:44.02 | Mr_Rabies | that damned ad |
| 20:44.09 | Semlar | TRAIN SIMULATOR 2013 |
| 20:44.39 | Dagmar | Very little in that game was more fun than rounding up everything in the Karanas, leading it up to the top of the Walk of Heroes, and then recalling to the Qeynos tree to join the crowd trying to figure out what happened to the zone |
| 20:44.42 | Mr_Rabies | i think dark souls is the perfect example of how to approach death |
| 20:44.48 | Mr_Rabies | you couldn't adapt it 1:1 for an mmorpg |
| 20:44.59 | Mr_Rabies | but the concepts in dark souls for death are just about perfect |
| 20:45.08 | Dagmar | Except maybe Bridge Kobold Knife Throwing |
| 20:45.21 | Mr_Rabies | you're not penalized by dying, you learn from almost every death |
| 20:45.44 | Dagmar | ...oh, and going linkdead while enchanted. |
| 20:46.01 | Mr_Rabies | it's not just going "welp you died, screw you, i'll take some of your hard work away permanently" |
| 20:46.11 | Dagmar | As a wizard, that was the best thing ever |
| 20:46.44 | Mr_Rabies | sometimes you do lose some souls permanently, but you shouldn't be pooling them anyway, there's no reason to |
| 20:48.09 | bleeter | I've got a better system |
| 20:48.12 | bleeter | every time you die |
| 20:48.16 | bleeter | I get all your stuffs |
| 20:48.28 | Dagmar | Don't forget there *was* an evac spell to prevent XP loss |
| 20:48.38 | Dagmar | I certainly cast it enough damn times |
| 20:48.59 | Mr_Rabies | i think there's some confusion between difficulty and frustration |
| 20:49.41 | Mr_Rabies | dark souls is an example of a well designed difficult game, cranking up the difficulty in skyrim just makes the mobs hit harder and have more health |
| 20:50.20 | Mr_Rabies | all that an xp penalty on death does is frustrate people, and likely add to a list of other things that will make them quit |
| 20:50.50 | bleeter | hah, I should stop my bitching about what I reckon sucks 'coz I can still hold a stack of fish in my offhand |
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| 21:32.55 | sintAcks | I want a keybind to toggle Stacking and Overlapping name plates :| |
| 21:34.53 | Mr_Rabies | i'd probably spend hours toggling that for fun |
| 21:35.00 | sintAcks | lol |
| 21:35.16 | sintAcks | that, or i want the setting for it to be char specific, and not global |
| 21:35.42 | Mr_Rabies | tidyplates may have an option for keybinding that |
| 21:36.50 | bleeter | goes back to wondering how immobile training dummies 'dodge' |
| 21:38.06 | xyphoid | your character is an unreliable narrator i guess |
| 21:38.19 | xyphoid | "YEAH IT TOTALLY DODGED I DIDN'T FUMBLE" |
| 21:40.56 | bleeter | dodge/fumble is one of those tomato/tomato things yes :) |
| 21:44.21 | Unkle_ | sintAcks Why not just macro a script? The CVars are still in the code. |
| 21:46.21 | TC-work | http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/22cans/project-godus Although i really hate it not being in USD. |
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| 21:57.08 | bleeter | TC-work: to people still use that toy money? |
| 21:57.36 | Unkle_ | bleeter doesn't your money shrink when heated? |
| 22:00.04 | Mr_Rabies | i imagine they're supposed to be those spinning target types bleeter |
| 22:00.58 | Mr_Rabies | kinda like this, but with a mace and shield on it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6sV8s7E3uU |
| 22:01.08 | Mr_Rabies | you hit the shield and it spins around |
| 22:03.23 | xyphoid | these are target dummies that FEEL PAIN |
| 22:03.39 | xyphoid | (shadow word pain does damage, QED) |
| 22:05.26 | bleeter | Unkle_: yeah, but normal money just burns. |
| 22:05.55 | bleeter | I'd rather have a shrunk $100 note with a chance of a restore from Reserve Bank than a bunch of ashes :P |
| 22:06.43 | Unkle_ | bleeter cloth vs plastic. It's a style/tech choice. :) All money is representational anyway. |
| 22:07.26 | Mr_Rabies | i think american money's pretty fire resistant |
| 22:08.03 | Mr_Rabies | depending on the particular polymer, i could see plastic money melting before a denim-based paper combusts |
| 22:09.12 | xyphoid | man now i want to try shrinkydinking a note |
| 22:09.29 | Unkle_ | xyphoid you can do it with an iron and some patience. |
| 22:09.39 | bleeter | iirc the aussie polymer note's melting point is over 100 celcius, though not sure what exactly |
| 22:10.12 | bleeter | biggest problem, I guess, is leaving a note in your jeans and then giving them a *really* hot wash |
| 22:10.19 | bleeter | after taking the jeans off, that is |
| 22:10.36 | bleeter | coz if you leave your jeans on and do that, a shrunk $100 note probably least of your concerns |
| 22:11.18 | Mr_Rabies | what if i'm a replicant |
| 22:11.33 | Mr_Rabies | and i just put my extremities in boiling water just because |
| 22:13.47 | bleeter | not to scare the crap out of Hannibal Chew? |
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| 22:21.18 | Unkle_ | home again home again jiggity jig? |
| 22:26.01 | bleeter | If only you could see what I have seen with your eyes |
| 22:26.32 | Unkle_ | All these things ... will be lost ... like tears ... in the ... rain. |
| 22:26.38 | nilyaK | goatse? |
| 22:27.04 | Unkle_ | Rutger Haur's best line outside of the film "Mother Night" and one memorable moment in "BLood of Heroes" |
| 22:27.12 | bleeter | "Ever noticed how <Legendary Annoying AH Manipulator> hasn't logged in since Bin Laden was killed? Just saying" |
| 22:28.06 | nilyaK | remember farming blood of heroes? |
| 22:28.25 | bleeter | NO!! |
| 22:28.30 | nilyaK | yes. |
| 22:28.35 | bleeter | NNNOOOO |
| 22:33.51 | Dagmar | It wouldn't surprise me one bit |
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| 22:50.49 | Vlad| | Semlar: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wC5g9M5FAq4 :D |
| 22:51.59 | TC-work | Yes it would Dagmar |
| 22:53.27 | Dagmar | Nope. |
| 22:53.34 | TC-work | Yup |
| 22:53.52 | Dagmar | I'm pretty sure there's been more than one covert gov't agency partially funded by MMO gold |
| 22:54.09 | pompy | http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-34231_7-57554188/pc-gaming-does-cyber-monday-downloadable-pc-games/ |
| 23:01.44 | Corrodias | "Valve Software has six." is.. a... little misleading |
| 23:02.08 | Corrodias | but it is true they don't have any convenient way of seeing all items on sale listed in one place |
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| 23:11.46 | pompy | Corrodias: on any given day or just during this sale? |
| 23:14.04 | Corrodias | this sale |
| 23:14.19 | Corrodias | there are the "extra low" prices at the top, but nothing that i've seen that lists all of the items on sale overall |
| 23:15.30 | TC-work | Not during sales no/ |
| 23:15.34 | TC-work | .* |
| 23:15.44 | TC-work | on normal days there are |
| 23:17.00 | pompy | ^ |
| 23:17.09 | pompy | however http://www.steamwatch.com/ |
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| 23:22.19 | bleeter | kd3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCT-YMgjm9k |
| 23:30.43 | Wobin | Witcher 2, worth the purchase? |
| 23:31.07 | Wobin | Arrowmaster, Kraps, haste ^ |
| 23:31.24 | Kraps | havent played it |
| 23:32.07 | pompy | Wobin: if you didnt see it already, http://amzn.com/B008ALU5KG >< |
| 23:32.10 | Wobin | haha, I need a "Friend Purchased Game On" review |
| 23:32.17 | Wobin | pompy: yeah =) ah well =P |
| 23:32.39 | bleeter | here's one we can all get behind, I'm sure: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/make-valve-optimize-tf2/GrM7h6cX |
| 23:33.28 | pompy | lol |
| 23:33.29 | Corrodias | thanks for the link, pompy |
| 23:33.31 | Wobin | I think haste is the only one who didn't purchase it today =P |
| 23:33.37 | pompy | Corrodias: np |
| 23:33.46 | pompy | jjust wish the columns were sortable :( |
| 23:34.51 | pompy | Wobin: System Requirements: Requires file system support for files up to 8 GB .. heh |
| 23:35.37 | bleeter | 'REQUIRES FILE SYSTEM SUPPORT FOR FILES' would be a far more entertaining sysreq to see |
| 23:36.14 | Arrowmaster | Wobin: ive only played a bit of it on the 360, its good |
| 23:36.33 | Wobin | pompy: that's like... winxp, isn't it? |
| 23:36.45 | Wobin | or ntfs really |
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| 23:58.56 | Wobin | actually pompy, that was a terrible terrible link |
| 23:59.05 | Wobin | The steam sale was bad enough without these other temptations |
