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| 00:39.27 | Arrowmaster | im starting to feel the mmo itch again, and current eve is in my sights, this could turn out bad |
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| 01:13.59 | Gnarfoz | ~seen tekkub |
| 01:14.01 | purl | tekkub <~tekkub@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/GitHub/Tekkub> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 133d 23h 22m 54s ago, saying: 'twss'. |
| 02:02.36 | Gnarfoz | really |
| 02:02.44 | Gnarfoz | has he abandoned us? :, |
| 02:03.03 | Semlar | yes |
| 02:03.41 | Gnarfoz | /sadface |
| 02:04.06 | Gnarfoz | but he's been tagging his addons today! |
| 02:05.02 | Mr_Rabies | argh |
| 02:05.06 | Mr_Rabies | i've gotta be missing a flight point |
| 02:05.10 | Mr_Rabies | these paths make zero sense |
| 02:07.57 | Gnarfoz | Mr_Rabies: from where to where? |
| 02:08.14 | Gnarfoz | I made a nice 7 minute round trip for something that'd have been a 30 second trip by mount earlier |
| 02:08.19 | Mr_Rabies | http://i.imgur.com/0PEAb.jpg |
| 02:08.22 | Mr_Rabies | look at this path |
| 02:08.25 | Mr_Rabies | LOOK AT IT |
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| 02:09.25 | Gnarfoz | from the alliance FP on the wall between Vale of Eternal Blossoms and Townlong Steppes to Shado-Pan Garrison... took me back to Shrine of Seven Stars, then up to Kun-Lai, then back to the wall, then to the Townlong/Dread Wastes border and THEN to where I wanted to go |
| 02:09.59 | Gnarfoz | I think that's exactly the FP I meant |
| 02:10.10 | Gnarfoz | except not the same destination |
| 02:11.21 | Mr_Rabies | i feel like they originally had one in uh |
| 02:11.25 | Mr_Rabies | mist whatever |
| 02:11.31 | Mr_Rabies | in vale |
| 02:11.37 | Mr_Rabies | and they removed it because of how phasing works |
| 02:11.52 | Mr_Rabies | though it makes zero sense for it to be a mostly functional town some days |
| 02:11.56 | Mr_Rabies | and others, overrun with quilen |
| 02:12.17 | Mr_Rabies | i used the phrase "zero sense" twice in like 10 minutes |
| 02:12.18 | Mr_Rabies | :( |
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| 02:22.44 | Mr_Rabies | mistfall village |
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| 02:32.31 | kd3 | gah. it took 5 SM heroic runs but I finally remembered to stab whitemane |
| 03:23.28 | karl_w_w | dammit kd3 why so violent |
| 03:28.44 | Gnarfoz | kd3: haha, I forgot that, too |
| 03:34.57 | kd3 | anyone familiar with klaxxi dailies in here? |
| 03:35.31 | Gnarfoz | sure |
| 03:35.36 | kd3 | http://www.wowpedia.org/Template:Klaxxi_dailies |
| 03:35.48 | kd3 | I'm missing a "hidden" quest at the lake of stars/chittering coast... what is it? |
| 03:36.00 | Gnarfoz | p3lim: btw, I just looked at that 'no more quest log tampering' commit again, and... it was hooksecurefunc? How'd that taint anything |
| 03:36.30 | Gnarfoz | there isn't one for the lake, as far as I or #wowace knows, chittering coast should be the giant crystal worm |
| 03:36.46 | kd3 | thought that was briny muck |
| 03:36.48 | Gnarfoz | ah no, that's Kyparak's core, and you have that |
| 03:37.41 | Gnarfoz | hmm |
| 03:38.17 | Gnarfoz | shouldn't kypa'rak's core be at briny muck and the matriarch's maw at clutches of shek'zeer? |
| 03:38.31 | Jammer | yes |
| 03:38.42 | kd3 | ah, whoops. I copy/pasted those backwards |
| 03:39.17 | kd3 | refresh |
| 03:39.20 | Jammer | it's bit odd that there seems to be no hidden quest for the lake |
| 03:39.34 | Gnarfoz | yeah, haven't found one, either :\ |
| 03:39.55 | Jammer | the rippers dropped normal quest item that started a quest |
| 03:40.02 | Jammer | dunno if that's maybe supposed to be daily instead |
| 03:40.37 | Gnarfoz | which one is that? |
| 03:40.39 | kd3 | http://www.wowpedia.org/Quest:Relics_of_the_Swarm |
| 03:41.06 | kd3 | it dropped for me during the chain back in beta and again when I did it live. it hasn't dropped for me since |
| 03:41.42 | Jammer | ye it doesn't drop again once you have done it once |
| 03:41.47 | Jammer | just wondering if it's maybe supposed to |
| 03:42.09 | Jammer | it's the only additional quest item that drops according to wowhead |
| 03:43.35 | Gnarfoz | pretty sure that's it |
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| 03:43.43 | Gnarfoz | http://www.wowhead.com/search?q=Relics+of+the+Swarm |
| 03:43.47 | Gnarfoz | there's even a daily listed |
| 03:43.58 | Gnarfoz | but no data on it, and "PH" as the text |
| 03:44.07 | Gnarfoz | seems like someone left for coffee and never finished the quest ;D |
| 03:44.13 | kd3 | I guess so |
| 03:44.17 | kd3 | blah, oh well |
| 03:44.55 | kd3 | does xaril offer dark skies every day once we unlock him at revered, or is there another condition for that? |
| 03:45.28 | pompy | when i unlocked him yesterday he didnt offer me it :\ |
| 03:45.31 | pompy | so random i guess? |
| 03:47.06 | pompy | the wowhead comments on the quest and npc pages for it werent too helpful ! |
| 03:47.11 | Jammer | which quests you had yesterday? |
| 03:48.09 | pompy | i think 8 or 9 >< |
| 03:49.15 | pompy | 8 |
| 03:50.33 | Jammer | ... where? |
| 03:55.18 | Gnarfoz | kd3: not every day, bot not sure on the conditions |
| 03:55.26 | pompy | for the klaxxi |
| 03:55.31 | pompy | terrace |
| 03:55.41 | Gnarfoz | I'm always at 8 quests + hidden if it's not the lake area |
| 03:55.51 | Gnarfoz | (at revered) |
| 03:56.17 | pompy | 8 quests include dark skies? |
| 03:58.44 | Gnarfoz | yeah |
| 03:59.26 | Gnarfoz | if I don't have dark skies, I get the "drive a Kunchong Destroyer through the masses and KILL EVERYONE" thing, I think ^^ |
| 03:59.26 | pompy | yeah odd, i had the terrace and thunder run yesterday and didnt get dark skies. |
| 03:59.46 | pompy | i did have that quest yest |
| 03:59.56 | Gnarfoz | I think those two are in their own little group |
| 04:02.23 | pompy | its called rage against the machine |
| 04:02.29 | pompy | rampage* |
| 04:02.30 | pompy | lol |
| 04:02.56 | pompy | why does blizz make us figure this shit out!? :\ |
| 04:03.08 | pompy | heh |
| 04:03.12 | kd3 | because it's a sekrit |
| 04:03.21 | kd3 | and they can't let wowhead tell us everything |
| 04:05.22 | pompy | ahh |
| 04:05.24 | pompy | http://www.wowhead.com/quest=31808#comments:id=1737882 |
| 04:05.32 | Gnarfoz | klaxxi faction id is 1337 |
| 04:05.41 | Gnarfoz | very nice. |
| 04:05.55 | Gnarfoz | also, I love how all the buffs are metal songs :D |
| 04:06.04 | pompy | yeahh |
| 04:06.35 | pompy | black sabbath |
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| 04:09.12 | Gnarfoz | hm |
| 04:09.20 | Gnarfoz | so you can have both kunchong riding AND dark skies? ;o |
| 04:09.43 | Gnarfoz | you probably can't hand in both on the same day or something |
| 04:11.18 | pompy | i think he means he got the quest one day and kept it non-completed for hte next day |
| 04:34.59 | Dagmar | Interesting. The last time I completed one and sat on it was after BC and it acted like it ticked the card for that day and didn't let me pick up a new one |
| 04:39.56 | F16Gaming | bleh |
| 04:40.02 | F16Gaming | finally it works: https://gist.github.com/71912bb69860ea54016d |
| 04:40.22 | F16Gaming | (tool to package my addons, since the curseforge packager is so unstable) |
| 04:54.10 | pompy | solution: dont use github then! |
| 04:54.41 | kd3 | nsfw/l (gore!) but really interesting if you can stomach it, an AMA from a cardiac surgeon who harvests organs: http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/11fhpm/i_am_a_cardiac_surgeon_part_of_my_job_is_to/ |
| 04:56.55 | Primer | So code like this: for _, dependancy in pairs(addonDeps) do <-- will trigger glyph taint, right? When _ is not defined as local |
| 04:57.18 | kd3 | I thought they fixed the leaky _s in 5.0.5 |
| 04:58.35 | Primer | well, I still get glyph taint |
| 04:59.56 | Gnarfoz | run the getglobals script over it |
| 05:00.34 | Gnarfoz | (at least _'s in function definitions aren't globals, not sure about ones in control structures like for) |
| 05:00.44 | Ressy | Thats pretty cool kd3 |
| 05:02.01 | Ressy | Pictures aren't that bad tbh.. |
| 05:03.38 | F16Gaming | pompy: what? :P |
| 05:04.06 | pompy | yup |
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| 05:38.20 | karl_w_w | glyphs still taint for other reasons just like they did before 5.x |
| 05:39.47 | Gnarfoz | wish that'd be fixed... or fixable, broken taintlog = no fun |
| 06:01.13 | Torhal | Primer: For loops have their variables implicitly declared local |
| 06:01.20 | Torhal | They only exist within the loop. |
| 06:01.26 | Torhal | Gnarfoz: ^ |
| 06:02.54 | Gnarfoz | torhal: ty |
| 06:05.24 | Torhal | I thought I'd seen all the reasons to rage-quit WoW, but AoE looting is a new one to me. |
| 06:05.25 | Torhal | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=266654#post266654 |
| 06:12.39 | karl_w_w | "I pick up everything anyways" seals the deal for me |
| 06:12.42 | karl_w_w | this guy is insane |
| 06:13.06 | karl_w_w | wait, I'm chanign my vote, it's not an insane guy it's just a female :P |
| 06:15.15 | Jammer | that's just weird |
| 06:17.04 | Jammer | tho managed to get my mom stop playing solitaire after I told her that she can just right click to have the cards to go into the top... apparently it wasn't as challenging any more |
| 06:17.34 | Seerah | gives karl_w_w the evil eye |
| 06:20.41 | Kraps | "It's just a personal preference thing. It's too bad it's not possible. But oh well, guess I get to save money until Blizz decides to give us an option if they ever do." |
| 06:21.37 | Kraps | "hey guys theres this weird subset of players that dislikes aoe looting, should we have an option to turn it off? |
| 06:21.42 | Kraps | "AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA" |
| 06:22.38 | Mr_Rabies | he plays league of legends enough to post on the forums, he's a flawed individual |
| 06:25.59 | karl_w_w | when you bootcamp windows, there's a thing you install under windows right? |
| 06:26.09 | karl_w_w | that lets windows use the wireless and bluetooth and stuff? |
| 06:26.41 | karl_w_w | thank you Seerah |
| 06:26.55 | karl_w_w | I'll treasure it forever |
| 06:28.50 | Corrodias2 | what's bootcamp? just a bootloader? |
| 06:29.37 | Corrodias2 | it appears to be, after you set it up. so you'll need to install drivers, but other than that i wouldn't think you need anything special. |
| 06:31.55 | karl_w_w | yeah' |
| 06:49.01 | Subspace | karl_w_w, ROFL on the AOE looting thing |
| 06:50.08 | Corrodias2 | so, what, he wants to auto-loot everything, but one at a time? |
| 06:50.18 | Subspace | I guess? |
| 06:50.51 | Primer | ok, thanks |
| 06:51.01 | Subspace | The part that gets me is that it is such a big deal that the person will cancel an account over it. |
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| 06:52.48 | Corrodias2 | unlikely to be true |
| 06:53.27 | Subspace | Yeah, it has to be a troll |
| 06:53.47 | Subspace | The person even prempts it and says that people call him/her a troll when he/she mentions it |
| 06:58.24 | Torhal | I read that and promptly started picking up pieces of my brain. |
| 06:58.45 | Subspace | Yeah |
| 06:58.58 | Subspace | BTW Torhal I made my addon/lib embed. |
| 06:59.05 | Subspace | Thanks for your help |
| 06:59.05 | Torhal | Awrite :) |
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| 06:59.17 | Torhal | All I did was wave my hands about |
| 06:59.23 | Subspace | Haha yeah |
| 06:59.58 | Subspace | You helped me on something else. Think it was that I had to use git tag instead of the web ui? |
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| 07:01.04 | Torhal | Oh, that |
| 07:01.05 | Torhal | Yah. |
| 07:01.09 | Subspace | Torhal, BTW, it would be really helpful imo to have a bunch of documentation listed somewhere for new developers |
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| 07:01.23 | Subspace | Maybe a sticky forum post or maybe a wowpedia page |
| 07:01.27 | Subspace | Not sure where to list it |
| 07:01.51 | Torhal | It's in the wiki, just a bit disjointed. |
| 07:02.15 | Subspace | I'm very good at "RTFM" if someone gives me a link. I usually google a bunch before I ask questions also. I like to learn stuff on my own w/o bugging people too much if possible. |
| 07:02.29 | Subspace | Yeah, but there is some on curseforge wiki and some on wowpedia |
| 07:02.45 | Subspace | http://www.curseforge.com/wiki/projects/pkgmeta-file/ <-- For instance was very helpful |
| 07:02.54 | Torhal | The best advice? Look at other AddOns and Libraries. |
| 07:03.05 | Subspace | I started doing some of that too |
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| 07:03.17 | Subspace | Tried to pick some w/ well known devs, like OmniCC |
| 07:04.02 | Subspace | Torhal, You think I should make my lib standalone & embeded or only embeded? |
| 07:04.16 | Subspace | Or I guess also what do most people do? |
| 07:04.20 | Torhal | I always do both. |
| 07:04.25 | Subspace | I see |
| 07:04.38 | Torhal | The only ones I know of which don't are Astrolabe and LibDatabroker-1.1 |
| 07:04.42 | Subspace | Any good way to use SavedVariables for a lib? |
| 07:04.53 | Torhal | Make the AddOn handle it. |
| 07:05.00 | Subspace | Yeah, thats what I have now |
| 07:05.04 | Torhal | Or go the DataStore route, which isn't actually a lib at all. |
| 07:05.27 | Subspace | I have the addon have two SavedVariables. One for the lib, one for itself. Maybe instead have a function to pass the addon's SavedVariables? |
| 07:05.39 | Subspace | That might have namespace problems though |
| 07:05.52 | Subspace | Unless I do AddonsSavedVars.libvars.whatever |
| 07:06.03 | Torhal | LibSink, LibDBIcon, and others have the AddOn specify where it is - could be a subtable of the AddOn's main table |
| 07:06.04 | Subspace | *Googles DataStore* |
| 07:06.32 | Torhal | DataStore is basically just an AddOn suite that pretends it's a library suite |
| 07:06.39 | Torhal | So no embedding. |
| 07:06.54 | Subspace | I see |
| 07:07.06 | Torhal | Means you can only have one version, period, so it doesn't have the nice LibStub handling. |
| 07:07.08 | Subspace | Dont really want to do that. |
| 07:07.11 | Torhal | Aye. |
| 07:07.43 | Subspace | Maybe I will make it a subtable |
| 07:07.54 | Subspace | Instead of having two SavedVariables |
| 07:08.29 | Torhal | Subspace: http://www.wowace.com/addons/libsink-2-0/ http://www.wowace.com/addons/libdbicon-1-0/ |
| 07:09.30 | Mr_Rabies | what's your addon do, subspace? :o |
| 07:10.17 | Subspace | Mr_Rabies, Called TrinketTracker. It trackes trinkets, cooldowns, dispels, interrupts, etc. |
| 07:10.35 | Mr_Rabies | nice |
| 07:10.35 | Subspace | It also detects spec and lets you know about that by changing the trinket icon to spec icon if you desire |
| 07:10.51 | Subspace | Still working on spec code a bit, because there are multiple ways to get that |
| 07:11.14 | Subspace | Feel free to download from curse and let me know any and all feedback you have. |
| 07:11.33 | Subspace | I also wrote libenemyinfo to help out w/ it |
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| 08:30.14 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 08:36.47 | Fisker | hey Stanzilla |
| 08:46.51 | bluspacecow | @Fisker haaay pretty lady |
| 08:47.09 | Fisker | nope |
| 08:47.16 | bluspacecow | ok |
| 08:49.21 | karl_w_w | wtf why isnt wowhead search working |
| 08:49.31 | karl_w_w | bluspacecow fix it |
| 08:49.45 | bluspacecow | *fondles it* |
| 08:49.49 | bluspacecow | fix'd ? |
| 08:49.56 | Semlar | the universe is conspiring against you |
| 08:51.14 | bluspacecow | hi ho esamynn away ! |
| 08:52.28 | Semlar | are you a space dwarf |
| 08:52.33 | Fisker | i'm going to destroy you bluspacecow |
| 08:52.49 | bluspacecow | oh noes! |
| 08:56.57 | karl_w_w | our raid leader tells a guildie what the vent password is |
| 08:57.00 | karl_w_w | over vent |
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| 09:39.06 | wereHamster | wonder how he became the *leader*... |
| 09:39.22 | wereHamster | doesn't require much intelligence it would seem. |
| 09:40.45 | Semlar | ah the dilbert principle |
| 09:42.35 | Semlar | "in many cases the least competent, least smart people are promoted, simply because they’re the ones you don’t want doing actual work" |
| 09:49.11 | bluspacecow | ah |
| 09:49.15 | bluspacecow | dillybeans |
| 09:53.48 | Semlar | what did you call me |
| 09:55.25 | bluspacecow | i no cll you nothing |
| 09:55.30 | bluspacecow | taxi maybe ? |
| 09:55.38 | Semlar | such a gentlemen |
| 09:55.43 | Semlar | man |
| 09:58.59 | randomDude | karl_w_w: part of becoming a leader is trusting others with minor details |
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| 10:29.36 | g0urra | Fisker |
| 10:29.38 | g0urra | best movie 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgFFMmAwYfY |
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| 12:00.29 | randomDude | hey Torhal |
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| 12:27.02 | Bitwise | Anyone know how I can whisper someone with SendChatMessage without it showing up in my chat box? |
| 12:27.25 | cbreak | you can use the addon channel |
| 12:27.31 | cbreak | then humans won't see it |
| 12:27.56 | Semlar | but they wouldn't see it either |
| 12:28.11 | Bitwise | What? |
| 12:28.16 | cbreak | their addons would. |
| 12:28.25 | Subspace | Bitwise, What is the purpose? |
| 12:28.26 | Semlar | well he said he wanted to whisper then |
| 12:28.41 | Subspace | Are you alerting someone of something you did? Eg. "I put symbiosis on you?" |
| 12:28.48 | Bitwise | Kind of. |
| 12:28.49 | Subspace | Or are you sending info to an addon they might have? |
| 12:29.06 | Bitwise | It's a anti-spam addon |
| 12:29.14 | Subspace | http://www.wowpedia.org/API_SendAddonMessage ? |
| 12:29.19 | cbreak | if you want humans to see it, then you'll see it too |
| 12:29.27 | cbreak | you can of course filter it on your end |
| 12:29.31 | Bitwise | If someone who isn't whitelisted messages me, it should send them a whisper saying they aren't whitelisted |
| 12:29.37 | cbreak | but I don't think there's an easy way to do that |
| 12:30.06 | Subspace | I imagine you could make it work |
| 12:30.13 | Subspace | Save a list of whitelisted people |
| 12:30.26 | Subspace | Then maybe per session save a list of people who msged you not on that list |
| 12:30.34 | Bitwise | I'm a seasoned programmer. I just don't know the WoW API. Even worse, the documentation is garbage. |
| 12:30.39 | Subspace | Send them the whitelist msg once |
| 12:31.09 | Subspace | Then I think there is a way to filter through your msgs on your end and not display it |
| 12:31.23 | Bitwise | There is. |
| 12:31.30 | Bitwise | I was doing it |
| 12:31.36 | Bitwise | But I'm not sure how I was doing it. |
| 12:31.55 | Bitwise | I suspect this can control the visibility of the whisper: ChatFrame_AddMessageEventFilter("CHAT_MSG_WHISPER_INFORM", function(_,_,msg,player) |
| 12:32.58 | Subspace | http://www.wowpedia.org/API_SendChatMessage |
| 12:33.06 | Subspace | ^^ To send a msg to them |
| 12:33.37 | Subspace | Thought there was an event or something when you get a msg. 1 sec |
| 12:34.03 | Semlar | ChatFrame_AddMessageEventFilter is what he wants |
| 12:34.29 | Semlar | he just needs to make a function for it that returns true or false based on whether it should display the whisper |
| 12:34.31 | Bitwise | Isn't that what I have? :P |
| 12:35.05 | Subspace | "CHAT_MSG_WHISPER" |
| 12:35.19 | Subspace | http://www.wowpedia.org/Events/Communication |
| 12:35.41 | Semlar | i'm lazy enough that i might just unregister the event from the chat box, send the message and reregister it |
| 12:36.42 | Semlar | the CHAT_MSG_WHISPER_INFORM event |
| 12:37.11 | Bitwise | ^ |
| 12:37.57 | Semlar | i don't see why that wouldn't work |
| 12:38.08 | Bitwise | true allows the message? |
| 12:38.20 | Bitwise | Which one allows the message to be displayed? |
| 12:38.23 | Semlar | false displays it |
| 12:38.23 | Bitwise | true or false? |
| 12:38.38 | Semlar | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/ChatFrame_AddMessageEventFilter |
| 12:38.38 | Bitwise | Ty |
| 12:39.01 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure that function is defined in the framexml |
| 12:41.25 | Semlar | you might try just doing DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:UnregisterEvent("CHAT_MSG_WHISPER_INFORM") SendChatMessage() DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:ReigsterEvent(" CHAT_MSG_WHISPER_INFORM") |
| 12:42.07 | Semlar | except without screwing up the event name |
| 12:44.07 | Bitwise | Well if I whisper someone, I want it to add them to the whitelist |
| 12:44.50 | *** join/#wowuidev brykrys (~chatzilla@cpc2-craw2-0-0-cust1299.croy.cable.virginmedia.com) |
| 12:44.51 | *** join/#wowuidev brykrys (~chatzilla@WoWUIDev/Norganna/Dev/Brykrys) |
| 12:47.31 | Subspace | probably want friends added to it (battletag, realid, regular wow friends, maybe guild members, etc.) |
| 12:48.34 | Semlar | i must be confused, i thought he just wanted to send a whisper without HIS whisper showing up in his chat box |
| 12:49.11 | Subspace | He wants to build a whitelist of good people (friends, people he msged, etc.) |
| 12:49.20 | Subspace | If they are on his list and they msg him, let their msg through |
| 12:49.30 | Subspace | Otherwise ignore their msg and send them one back |
| 12:49.39 | Subspace | He dosent want to see theirs or his in this case |
| 12:49.48 | Bitwise | You're good. |
| 12:50.12 | Subspace | You know about SavedVariables yet? |
| 12:50.18 | Bitwise | I only stated two things. You've inferred the rest. :) |
| 12:50.20 | Semlar | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/shut-up.aspx |
| 12:50.20 | Subspace | You may want to save some of that list between logins |
| 12:50.28 | Bitwise | Nope. |
| 12:50.34 | Bitwise | I'm working off of Give Me Peace |
| 12:50.41 | Bitwise | Super buggy and bad code. |
| 12:50.51 | Bitwise | Originally started off as just wanting to add a simple feature |
| 12:50.55 | Subspace | Go look at a .toc and see where they have SavedVariables |
| 12:51.13 | Subspace | Basically, you put that in your .toc and it is a global var that loads after ADDON_LOADED event |
| 12:51.23 | Subspace | err, before I mean |
| 12:51.36 | Bitwise | :O |
| 12:51.39 | Subspace | And is saved to disc when you logout, reload, whatever |
| 12:51.41 | Bitwise | I'll keep that in mind. |
| 12:51.55 | Subspace | Protip: It can be a table :O |
| 12:52.25 | Subspace | So most addons just have one and make it a table w/ everything else they want to be persistant. |
| 12:53.08 | Bitwise | Tables. lol. |
| 12:53.12 | Semlar | if that addon i linked to doesn't do what you want, it should at least provide some help |
| 12:53.17 | Bitwise | I'm a Java and C programmer :P |
| 12:53.29 | Subspace | Yeah, im a C programmer too |
| 12:53.31 | Bitwise | Just Googling for Lua syntax |
| 12:53.35 | Subspace | I want my structs!! |
| 12:53.39 | Subspace | But they dont exist in Lua |
| 12:53.47 | Bitwise | I want OO code. |
| 12:53.53 | Bitwise | But that dont exist in Lua |
| 12:53.53 | Subspace | Oh you can have that |
| 12:53.57 | Subspace | Yeah it does! |
| 12:54.01 | Bitwise | How so? |
| 12:54.03 | Semlar | a table is basically an object |
| 12:54.11 | Semlar | and you can define a meta table for a class |
| 12:54.19 | Semlar | if you really wanted to |
| 12:54.24 | Subspace | Ok, so you have datatypes (number, string, table, nil, etc.) |
| 12:54.28 | Bitwise | metatable is like a PHP array with labels? |
| 12:54.36 | Subspace | tables can contain all other data types, including tables and functions |
| 12:54.51 | Semlar | a meta table is another table that you kind of inherit from |
| 12:54.54 | Subspace | Its kinda like an array, yes |
| 12:55.17 | Bitwise | When I say OO, I mean like concealing everything except the used stuff by the addon dev |
| 12:55.25 | Bitwise | Hiding the implementation |
| 12:55.26 | Subspace | You can even parse over it in for loops either by the numbered elements only, or all (in any random order) |
| 12:55.39 | Semlar | if you define a meta table for your table and then you try to access a key that doesn't exist in your table, it looks at the meta table to see if it's there |
| 12:56.07 | Subspace | You can also use them to redefine operators like + |
| 12:56.38 | Bitwise | Can I define new operators? |
| 12:56.43 | Bitwise | Like += |
| 12:56.44 | Subspace | Yeah |
| 12:56.45 | Bitwise | :P |
| 12:56.50 | Subspace | Well, not they symbol |
| 12:56.51 | Bitwise | Tell me more. :D |
| 12:56.57 | Semlar | i don't think so |
| 12:57.02 | Bitwise | :( |
| 12:57.04 | Semlar | not the way you want |
| 12:57.09 | Subspace | If it is a non-used symbol, you cant, but you can define it as a function |
| 12:57.20 | Subspace | But things that already have meaning like + you can |
| 12:57.36 | Subspace | Normally something like "str1".."str2" gives "str1str2" |
| 12:57.47 | Subspace | But you could, if you wanted, make "str1"+"str2" give that |
| 12:57.47 | Bitwise | .. is the concatentation operator |
| 12:57.51 | Subspace | Yeah |
| 12:57.58 | *** join/#wowuidev Ingela (~Ingela@213-66-222-210-no37.business.telia.com) |
| 12:58.13 | Bitwise | That's pro. |
| 12:58.20 | Semlar | that sounds like a bad idea |
| 12:58.26 | Semlar | >_> |
| 12:58.45 | Subspace | Yeah, its a bad idea in that instance, but it shows off what can be done |
| 12:58.49 | Bitwise | Is there a way to loada dll from Lua? I tried require but it says it's undefined or something, I forgot the error. |
| 12:58.56 | Semlar | no |
| 12:58.58 | Subspace | Obv. use the standard way for something that has it |
| 12:59.20 | Subspace | But maybe you have a complex number stored as a table with two numbers as its data |
| 12:59.28 | Bitwise | I would do that just to be able to use Java syntax for making addons LOL |
| 12:59.32 | Subspace | Then you may want to redefine + to make it add each part on its own |
| 12:59.54 | Subspace | Loading a dll is very off limits for wow addons |
| 13:00.08 | Semlar | lua is practically written in pseudo code |
| 13:00.08 | Subspace | Since then you could have it do all sorts of stuff blizz doesnt want you to do |
| 13:00.22 | Bitwise | Is there any way to circumvent it? |
| 13:00.26 | Subspace | Yeah, as are most scripting langs (eg. Python) |
| 13:00.35 | Semlar | circumvent what |
| 13:00.44 | Subspace | If you want to break the legal agreements you entered into w/ blizz maybe |
| 13:00.46 | Semlar | yes you could inject a dll into the client |
| 13:00.49 | Bitwise | The loading of dll's |
| 13:00.51 | Semlar | not with an addon though |
| 13:01.12 | Semlar | and it would violate the ToS |
| 13:01.22 | Bitwise | Well I still need to be able to call all the addon methods from the dll |
| 13:01.47 | Subspace | Blizz basically makes you agree to only write addons in lua/xml |
| 13:02.26 | Subspace | I am not a lawyer, but it seems quite clear that they very much frown on loading anything else |
| 13:02.26 | Bitwise | Not really worried about thier ToS. This is for a private server two expansions behind. LOL. |
| 13:02.36 | Semlar | ah |
| 13:03.00 | Subspace | Do what you want then. It is technically possible, but very few people (including me) will not help you do that |
| 13:03.16 | Subspace | We (or at least I) will help you w/ a regular lua/xml addon though :) |
| 13:03.30 | Subspace | *very few will help rather |
| 13:03.36 | Semlar | yeah we can't help you with a private server |
| 13:04.37 | Subspace | Your addon doesnt really require anything special though |
| 13:04.47 | Bitwise | No, it doesn't. |
| 13:05.07 | Subspace | http://www.wowpedia.org/SavedVariables might be useful for saving your list |
| 13:06.21 | Bitwise | Have you ever done dev for WotLK? |
| 13:06.40 | Subspace | I made a calc addon way back then, but have since lost it |
| 13:06.49 | Subspace | Not a big loss, the parsing could have been a lot better |
| 13:07.19 | Bitwise | Hmm. I can't seem to find where the Lua interpreter is in the client I have |
| 13:07.22 | Subspace | Was pretty cool though. Could do like: /calc 1+2*3 |
| 13:07.25 | Subspace | And it would return 7 |
| 13:07.36 | Bitwise | Well that's a simple stack |
| 13:07.41 | Subspace | Yep |
| 13:08.21 | Bitwise | Would it be in Wow.exe or Battle.net.dll? |
| 13:08.22 | Subspace | Had support for sin(), exp(), ln(), log2(), etc |
| 13:08.51 | Bitwise | I used dumpbin on both couldn't find any of the names of the addon accessible methods. |
| 13:09.01 | Subspace | You want a list of API? |
| 13:09.16 | Semlar | the functions are all in _G |
| 13:09.17 | Bitwise | Well, I want to access the API from a dll |
| 13:09.26 | Semlar | bitwise we can't tell you how to do that |
| 13:09.28 | Subspace | We will not help you with that |
| 13:09.43 | Semlar | there are legal issues |
| 13:09.53 | Subspace | If you must know, you have Google. |
| 13:10.30 | Subspace | We can help you find docs on LUA APIs and how to use XML |
| 13:10.33 | Bitwise | Like I said, not for retail. |
| 13:10.39 | Subspace | Doesn't matter |
| 13:10.40 | Semlar | it doesn't matter |
| 13:10.46 | Subspace | *We* play on retail |
| 13:10.51 | Bitwise | I'm to poor for retail. Open source doesn't make much money. >.> |
| 13:10.53 | Subspace | Thus have entered into legal agreements w/ blizz |
| 13:11.20 | Bitwise | Wanna come on another name and help a dev out? ;) |
| 13:11.32 | Subspace | There are few people who will help. If you want to find them, use google. |
| 13:11.37 | Bitwise | And if we examine their ToS |
| 13:11.39 | Semlar | what possible reason could you have for needing to do this |
| 13:11.47 | Subspace | This channel will not help you with anything breaking the ToS |
| 13:11.58 | Bitwise | We will find that it only applies to the current expansion :P |
| 13:12.01 | Subspace | Your addon doesn't even need to do it at all |
| 13:12.22 | Bitwise | This addon doesn't. |
| 13:12.24 | Semlar | you would only need to inject a dll if you were trying to do something an addon wasn't capable of |
| 13:12.35 | Bitwise | Well the addon is perfectly capable of it. |
| 13:12.39 | Subspace | We are not lawyers. |
| 13:12.47 | Bitwise | My dad is. |
| 13:13.10 | Bitwise | The problem is I'm not to interested in learning Lua and all that BS. |
| 13:13.15 | Semlar | you should know the private servers themselves are illegal |
| 13:13.22 | Subspace | You should understand then that it is legally unwise to accept legal advice from random people on the internet |
| 13:13.34 | AcidWeb | Bitwise: Nobody here will help yup then you using pirate server. Peroid. |
| 13:13.37 | Subspace | If you know C/Java like you say, it should take about a day |
| 13:13.37 | Bitwise | Rather just bridge it to Java and write in my native language. |
| 13:13.52 | Semlar | just do it in lua |
| 13:13.57 | Semlar | it's not worth it |
| 13:14.15 | Bitwise | Only hosting a private server is illegal. Playing them isn't. |
| 13:14.16 | Subspace | Right. Lua should take no more than a day to learn if you know C/Java like you say |
| 13:14.21 | Subspace | At least enough to write an addon |
| 13:14.29 | Bitwise | Well it's not a simple addon. |
| 13:14.47 | Bitwise | Unfortunately Lua isn't OO enough to make the code managable |
| 13:15.01 | Subspace | No one here wants to take legal chances. Therefore no one here is going to help w/ anything that they believe may have any chance at all of being against the law |
| 13:15.09 | Subspace | That is a false statement |
| 13:15.14 | nevcairiel | You should stop talking now, hacking WoW to get another language integrated is against the ToS/EULA, and such discussions are not permitted in this channel |
| 13:15.30 | Subspace | 1) OO has NOTHING AT ALL to do with the lang. The lang may make OO easier, but it is a method, not a language feature |
| 13:15.43 | Subspace | 2) Lua has a TON of OO support. It was kinda built around that |
| 13:16.17 | Bitwise | I stopped asking for help with it some time ago. Calm down about the legal BS> |
| 13:16.45 | Subspace | You mentioned that Lua is not OO enough |
| 13:17.00 | Subspace | Which makes no sense. It supports OO way more than most langs, including C++ and Java |
| 13:17.06 | Subspace | And way more than C. |
| 13:17.14 | Bitwise | Besides, I've never done malicious programming. Not sure how to do dll injection and dll hooking |
| 13:17.16 | Subspace | But again, OO has nothing to do with the lang. It can be done in any lang |
| 13:17.42 | Semlar | well, not any language |
| 13:18.00 | Subspace | If you care, you have Google, not this irc channel. I have only been here a few days, but I believe on this one issue I can speak for everyone. |
| 13:18.08 | Subspace | Any Turing Complete lang? |
| 13:18.47 | Bitwise | Can you show me an example of Lua inheritence? |
| 13:18.55 | Subspace | Clearly OO is easier in some langs, but it is possible in pretty much any |
| 13:19.03 | Subspace | metatables? |
| 13:20.00 | Subspace | http://www.lua.org/pil/16.html |
| 13:20.03 | Bitwise | So you're saying, using metatable I can create another .lua file and do something similar to "new LuaClass(params);" ? |
| 13:20.16 | Semlar | yes |
| 13:20.23 | Humbedooh | Lua OO is like....easy :| |
| 13:20.29 | Subspace | Yeah no kidding |
| 13:20.42 | Semlar | except it would be more like LuaClass:New(params) |
| 13:20.50 | Subspace | It is laughable that you imply that C supports OO more than Lua |
| 13:21.05 | Subspace | C is an amazing lang. I love C. But OO is not the reason to use C. |
| 13:21.33 | Humbedooh | clearly not o.O |
| 13:21.49 | Bitwise | No kidding. |
| 13:21.58 | Bitwise | I'm stronger with Java than C. |
| 13:22.13 | Subspace | Same can be said for Java to a lesser extent in the sense that Lua OO > Java OO |
| 13:22.23 | Bitwise | I really only use C when Java can't do something without native code so I use JNI. |
| 13:23.31 | Subspace | You ever programmed in anything other than C/Java? |
| 13:23.55 | Semlar | hopefully a scripting language |
| 13:23.57 | Bitwise | Pascal but very minimally. |
| 13:24.17 | Subspace | Can't imagine Lua would take that long to learn |
| 13:24.17 | Bitwise | Well for scripting I know PHP fluently. |
| 13:24.24 | Bitwise | It wouldn't. |
| 13:24.34 | Semlar | you know javascript? |
| 13:24.44 | Subspace | Some things are non-obvious like metatables and that vars are local to for loops, but those are not required to write an addon |
| 13:24.46 | Bitwise | minimally |
| 13:25.05 | Bitwise | The addon can do it perfectly. |
| 13:25.08 | Semlar | i wouldn't even use metatables |
| 13:25.13 | Subspace | Yeah |
| 13:25.15 | Bitwise | The problem is the 'hack' detector. |
| 13:25.21 | Subspace | Very few addons really would need them |
| 13:25.47 | Bitwise | So if an addon is just using abilities and running around accepting/enqueuing for arenas then I'm just gonna get banned. |
| 13:26.01 | Semlar | well an addon can't do those things |
| 13:26.04 | Bitwise | So I'll need native input anyways. |
| 13:26.53 | Bitwise | I figured since my stongest language is Java, I'd create a bridge between between the addon API and Java |
| 13:27.11 | Bitwise | Similar to injecting an interface into an already compiled class for hooks. |
| 13:27.21 | Bitwise | Then use JNI for input |
| 13:27.49 | Subspace | So you have a little ant you want to kill and you go buy a tank to squish it? |
| 13:27.53 | Bitwise | Super faceroll. The only hard part is bridging Lua and Java/C because the lack of the require function |
| 13:28.03 | Subspace | And in the process break the law and ask others to help you? |
| 13:28.14 | Bitwise | Well people can play for 5 years and still not even reach 2k |
| 13:28.34 | Bitwise | I'm not going to waste 5 years of my life just so my friend can have a good healer. |
| 13:29.02 | Subspace | Have no idea what that has to do w/ your addon |
| 13:29.07 | Bitwise | How could I return the tank and buy a shoe to step on the ant with/ |
| 13:29.08 | Semlar | i don't even know what he means by that |
| 13:29.20 | Semlar | arenas? |
| 13:29.30 | Subspace | Please ask only questions about Lua/Xml or other legal things. Not "may be legal" but "clearly legal" |
| 13:30.01 | Bitwise | Well you said there is an easier way to do it. You intrigued me. I'm just asking. You didn't say that the shoe is still illegal. |
| 13:30.17 | Subspace | My metaphor is that using Java for WoW addons and all the (not legal) work required for it is a waste of time. It would be a waste even if it was legal |
| 13:30.43 | Semlar | listen, don't mention anything that has to do with the private server or dll injection and we're fine |
| 13:30.55 | Semlar | stop going back to those topics |
| 13:31.04 | Subspace | It will take less time to 1) learn lua/xml, 2) write your addon then it would to write even your Java wrapper |
| 13:31.13 | Bitwise | How is it a waste of time? Are you saying there is a quicker way? |
| 13:31.25 | Subspace | Yes I am. A MUCH quicker way |
| 13:31.30 | Subspace | Read steps 1 and 2 above. |
| 13:31.43 | Semlar | lua is stupid simple, if you know any programming language there is no reason you couldn't pick up the syntax in a day |
| 13:31.45 | Bitwise | Like I said, the server likes to ban people who use addons to use abilities :P |
| 13:32.01 | Subspace | So you want to do something even more extreme? |
| 13:32.02 | Bitwise | So moving away from the private server talk... |
| 13:32.11 | Subspace | Ok great. Glad that is over with. |
| 13:33.00 | Bitwise | :P Let's say I wanted to automate the use of abilities, kiting, and enqueuing for arenas. How? |
| 13:33.13 | AcidWeb | You can't. |
| 13:33.16 | Subspace | Make a macro? |
| 13:33.16 | Semlar | addons can't do those things |
| 13:33.21 | Semlar | they are protected functions |
| 13:33.33 | Subspace | A macro will automate abilities as much as an addon can. Which isn't much. |
| 13:33.41 | Bitwise | Macros are limited to 160 characters |
| 13:33.46 | Semlar | you sound like you just want a bot |
| 13:33.53 | Subspace | Far as kiting, you have to do that yourself. You actually have to play your game |
| 13:33.55 | Semlar | you want something that plays the game for you? |
| 13:34.06 | Bitwise | I can't code every situation in 160 characters |
| 13:34.19 | Subspace | So you want a bot? |
| 13:34.32 | Semlar | and how bad are the people in the arena that you're going to automate this and win |
| 13:34.40 | Subspace | Haha yeah |
| 13:34.49 | Bitwise | Well, Idc about the game. My friend is super pro but can't find a good healer. Givin' my heavy CS background I figured I'd do what I do best to help him out. |
| 13:35.06 | Subspace | If you want a sequence in order, use castsequence macros. Otherwise, its poinless |
| 13:35.09 | Semlar | if you want to do the arena you're really going to have to just learn to play |
| 13:35.18 | Subspace | Right |
| 13:35.27 | Bitwise | Lol.. |
| 13:35.34 | Bitwise | PvP is situational |
| 13:35.35 | Semlar | and i can tell you right now it's not going to take 5 years to get to a 2k rating for anyone |
| 13:35.40 | Bitwise | It's all priority based. |
| 13:35.48 | Subspace | If it is situational, why would you want to automate it? |
| 13:35.49 | Semlar | that's not how the rating system works |
| 13:35.57 | Bitwise | There isn't some rotation you can do like in PvE |
| 13:36.09 | Semlar | you could probably get a 2k rating in under 100 matches |
| 13:36.11 | Subspace | Again, that is why you will have a harder time automating it |
| 13:36.17 | Subspace | You are arguing against your point |
| 13:36.23 | Bitwise | Nope. |
| 13:36.25 | Subspace | But yea, 2k rating isnt hard |
| 13:36.32 | Semlar | well it is if you're bad |
| 13:36.34 | Bitwise | I plan to code every possible situation for playing war/hpala |
| 13:36.47 | Bitwise | planned* |
| 13:36.57 | Subspace | That is what we call a bot |
| 13:36.58 | Semlar | the way the arena system works is you have to win repeatedly in a row to really advance |
| 13:37.09 | Subspace | Which is another topic against ToS |
| 13:37.18 | Bitwise | win-loss only works until about 1.6 |
| 13:37.40 | Semlar | if you win consistently it'll keep putting you up against higher rated teams until you start losing |
| 13:38.01 | Semlar | and the bigger the difference between the ratings the more points you get from the match |
| 13:38.16 | Bitwise | I'm aware... |
| 13:38.31 | Subspace | They also have a stddev value or something similar I am sure |
| 13:38.48 | Subspace | They thing you are some score X good, and Y confident about it |
| 13:39.04 | Subspace | As you win games, the confidence goes down, which allows your score to change more |
| 13:39.07 | Semlar | you can't grind your way to the top in the arena like you can farming honor kills or something, you actually are going to have to be good |
| 13:39.15 | Subspace | You continue to win, you get placed against better teams |
| 13:39.32 | Bitwise | Obviously? |
| 13:39.35 | Subspace | Finally you start to lose and your rating starts to be where it should be |
| 13:39.38 | Bitwise | I know how mmr works :P |
| 13:39.51 | Subspace | Then you would know it does not take 5 years to get 2000 rating |
| 13:40.02 | Bitwise | 5 years to get good enough to get 2k rating |
| 13:40.02 | Semlar | and that a bot isn't going to help |
| 13:40.09 | Subspace | Right |
| 13:40.14 | Subspace | Bots can hardly play BGs |
| 13:40.17 | Subspace | Let alone arena |
| 13:40.38 | Semlar | hypothetically, if you did have a bot that managed to get you to a 2k rating |
| 13:40.39 | Bitwise | Obviously if you're good enough to farm arenas then you can get 2k in < a day |
| 13:40.41 | Semlar | what would you then do |
| 13:40.46 | Subspace | To make a very good bot, you still would have to know how to play very well |
| 13:40.52 | Subspace | But we are not making any bots here |
| 13:40.54 | Semlar | i mean you wouldn't have the skills to compete at that level |
| 13:41.00 | Bitwise | There is this other kid who goes to my school. |
| 13:41.02 | Semlar | what would be the point |
| 13:41.13 | Bitwise | He has been playing 5 years retail. Never got above 2k |
| 13:41.23 | Subspace | Then he is just bad |
| 13:41.32 | Bitwise | I know. |
| 13:41.36 | Subspace | Some people (like my mom) have worked minimum wage jobs for 10+ years |
| 13:41.37 | Bitwise | He trinkets saps. |
| 13:41.38 | Bitwise | LOL |
| 13:41.44 | nevcairiel | playing long doesnt mean you actually get better, some people just lack the required eye-hand coordination |
| 13:41.56 | Subspace | Some people just don't advance because they don't put in the effort to do so |
| 13:42.01 | jnwhiteh | by the way, Bitwise is here looking for private server help |
| 13:42.05 | jnwhiteh | so just keep that in mind =) |
| 13:42.11 | Bitwise | Been there, done that. |
| 13:42.21 | jnwhiteh | just making sure :P |
| 13:42.22 | nevcairiel | jnwhiteh: just get rid of him when its too much =p |
| 13:42.30 | Semlar | we can be civil |
| 13:42.43 | Subspace | Bitwise, I will only help with something that can be used on live, retail servers run by blizz |
| 13:42.54 | Subspace | I bet everyone else in the channel feels the same. |
| 13:42.58 | Semlar | i think he knows by now |
| 13:43.02 | Bitwise | Alright, I already stopped asking for help some time ago. |
| 13:43.23 | Subspace | Do you have any questions you need answered in regards to an addon you would like to write? |
| 13:43.30 | Bitwise | Well which one? |
| 13:43.35 | Bitwise | I mean the anti-spam addon is done. |
| 13:43.49 | Semlar | the other one isn't possible |
| 13:43.54 | Subspace | I'm not the one writing addons |
| 13:43.55 | Bitwise | Nope. |
| 13:44.09 | Bitwise | You've already given me enough information. |
| 13:44.33 | Subspace | Cool :) |
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| 13:44.55 | foxlit | what's this, Subspace helping people write addons for private servers? OFF WITH HIS HEAD! |
| 13:44.57 | Bitwise | Why would you be happy about that? You don't like helping with 'illegal' activities? |
| 13:45.17 | Subspace | foxlit, Nah, just giving links to 100% legal APIs :) |
| 13:45.36 | Bitwise | Nope. |
| 13:45.43 | Bitwise | Subspace didn't give me the help. |
| 13:45.47 | Bitwise | Semlar did. |
| 13:45.53 | Subspace | :O |
| 13:46.23 | Semlar | :s |
| 13:46.26 | foxlit | psht, minor detiails. OFF WITH EVERYONES HEADS IF THEIR NAMES START WITH S. |
| 13:46.43 | Semlar | soxlit |
| 13:46.56 | Bitwise | Nah, Subspace is cool. |
| 13:47.59 | foxlit | slight pity about Shirik's head, but what has he done for us lately anyway? :) |
| 13:48.05 | Bitwise | You can type the first few letters and press Tab |
| 13:48.10 | Bitwise | It'll fill in the rest of the name for you |
| 13:48.33 | Bitwise | Protip: Change the Tab settings so it chooses the match that most recently spoke. |
| 13:51.08 | Bitwise | http://chatzilla.hacksrus.com/faq/#complete |
| 13:51.30 | Semlar | does anyone know if you can use SetTexCoord to skew a texture into a trapezoid or something |
| 13:55.23 | Bitwise | Well from my research it would have to have rounded corners. |
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| 13:57.19 | Bitwise | Subspace, _G works for functions? |
| 13:57.34 | Bitwise | Like can you have a function as an element of an array? |
| 13:57.41 | Subspace | Works for anything global |
| 13:57.48 | Semlar | _G is just the global table |
| 13:57.53 | Subspace | You can make a function an element of a table |
| 13:58.02 | Bitwise | Nice. |
| 13:58.07 | Subspace | In fact a lot of them are. |
| 13:58.17 | Semlar | anything in it can be called using its name without referencing it as a key of _G |
| 13:58.39 | Subspace | For instance, table.wipe() or bit.band() |
| 13:59.02 | Subspace | Sometimes it is useful to use _G w/ the .. operator |
| 13:59.07 | Semlar | i tried to hook every global function once, that didn't end well |
| 13:59.41 | Semlar | i wanted to output all the function calls to the event trace window |
| 13:59.43 | Bitwise | From a dll? |
| 13:59.48 | Bitwise | Oh. |
| 13:59.51 | Semlar | nah just in game |
| 14:00.18 | Bitwise | I was like LOL, weren't you just criticising me for that? |
| 14:00.56 | Semlar | you can hook a function so when it's called it calls your function with the same arguments |
| 14:01.30 | Bitwise | Do the functions overlap? |
| 14:01.40 | Semlar | but apparently when you try to hook thousands of functions at once the game crashes |
| 14:01.45 | Bitwise | Or does it only invoke your function? |
| 14:02.09 | Semlar | it calls your function after the original function call |
| 14:02.21 | Bitwise | Specs? |
| 14:02.23 | Semlar | you *can* replace a function with your own but it can cause issues |
| 14:03.57 | Semlar | it taints the execution path which basically means any blizzard interface code that touches your insecure function also becomes insecure and can no longer call protected functions |
| 14:05.09 | Bitwise | That couldn't happen in Java. :P |
| 14:05.41 | Subspace | Also look up how arguments are passed and select() |
| 14:05.42 | Semlar | it's designed so you can't change the behavior of protected functions |
| 14:05.59 | Semlar | like.. casting |
| 14:06.22 | Subspace | If you pass too many or too few, it will get rid of the extra or make them nil |
| 14:06.30 | Semlar | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Texture/SetTexCoordModifiesRect did this get replaced by something |
| 14:06.39 | Semlar | it seems to be what i want |
| 14:07.22 | Bitwise | I know how varargs and select works |
| 14:07.54 | Subspace | I dont mean varargs |
| 14:08.05 | Bitwise | In Java varargs is just an array. |
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| 14:08.26 | Bitwise | So getting the value is as simple as args[index] |
| 14:08.36 | Subspace | function somefunc(arg1, arg2) do_stuff; end |
| 14:08.58 | Bitwise | Dynamically typed. I've noticed. |
| 14:09.00 | Subspace | somefunc(arg1) is legal and the same as somefunc(arg1, nil) |
| 14:09.19 | Bitwise | implicit overloading |
| 14:09.23 | Semlar | in lua a function can also return multiple values |
| 14:09.23 | Subspace | Yep |
| 14:09.47 | Bitwise | I've also realized that lua can return multiple values |
| 14:10.13 | Bitwise | It's a pretty nice feature actually. In Java you're forced to create some type of collection. |
| 14:10.34 | Subspace | Also, table:somefunc(x) is the same as somefunc(table, x) oftentimes. |
| 14:11.12 | Bitwise | Did not know that. |
| 14:11.16 | Fisker | omg mitch0 |
| 14:11.21 | Fisker | i just had the greatest idea |
| 14:11.31 | Humbedooh | Fisker: suicide? |
| 14:11.36 | Bitwise | ^ |
| 14:11.52 | Semlar | table.somefunc is also not the same as table:somefunc |
| 14:12.43 | Semlar | table:somefunc passes self to the function |
| 14:12.46 | Fisker | nope Humbedooh |
| 14:12.51 | Fisker | that idea is old |
| 14:12.52 | Humbedooh | :( |
| 14:13.09 | Bitwise | Humbedooh, I take it Fisker is the channel nub? |
| 14:13.18 | Semlar | yes |
| 14:13.19 | Humbedooh | Bitwise: Fisker is the channel Fisker |
| 14:13.28 | Bitwise | :O |
| 14:13.47 | Kraps | Fisker is unique |
| 14:13.49 | Bitwise | I remember being the channel nub on another server :p |
| 14:13.53 | Kraps | thank god |
| 14:16.16 | Semlar | fisker is also bind on pickup |
| 14:16.42 | Bitwise | He is soulbound, eh? |
| 14:17.03 | Humbedooh | forever |
| 14:17.31 | Bitwise | :O |
| 14:18.47 | Bitwise | Well I g2g do some physics hw. Cya and nice chatting. :) |
| 14:18.59 | *** part/#wowuidev Bitwise (~Bitwise@c-76-108-114-26.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) |
| 14:19.43 | Semlar | you win again, gravity! |
| 14:20.52 | Semlar | people keep asking me to add a configuration panel to my addon and i keep not doing it because of how lazy i am |
| 14:21.14 | Kraps | which addon |
| 14:21.22 | Semlar | http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/crackcooldown |
| 14:22.00 | Semlar | i can't even be bothered to update its description to accurately reflect its current situation |
| 14:22.35 | Semlar | sometimes i just don't know about myself |
| 14:22.39 | foxlit | is your point that you're a horrible person? :) |
| 14:22.53 | Semlar | people keep telling me that i am |
| 14:23.18 | Semlar | i think that might make it true |
| 14:23.18 | foxlit | I like your version numbering scheme |
| 14:23.30 | foxlit | 0.2 -> 1 -> 1.2 -> 1.3 -> 1.4 -> 1.9 -> 1.99 |
| 14:23.34 | Semlar | you mean where i just put whatever i feel like |
| 14:23.37 | foxlit | May I suggest "Banana" for the next one? :) |
| 14:23.55 | Semlar | i hope that's a valid number |
| 14:24.29 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure it will accept whatever string i give it |
| 14:24.39 | foxlit | Sure it is; just pretend it's base 24. |
| 14:24.57 | Semlar | uh oh, banana time |
| 14:25.37 | Semlar | i even pretty much implemented everything it needs to support settings, i just didn't make a ui for it |
| 14:25.48 | Semlar | ssssooooo close |
| 14:26.57 | p3lim | Is there something to check if the unit is a wild pet or not? |
| 14:27.11 | p3lim | UnitCreatureType() works, but it returns localized values :/ |
| 14:27.24 | foxlit | http://www.wowpedia.org/Global_functions -> "Wild" -> UnitIsWildBattlePet |
| 14:27.43 | p3lim | Thanks foxlit |
| 14:28.32 | Semlar | what does UnitInOtherParty do |
| 14:28.44 | Semlar | just check that a unit is in a party and not yours? |
| 14:29.05 | Semlar | or is it referring to groups in a raid |
| 14:29.16 | p3lim | The second one |
| 14:29.50 | Semlar | that's confusing |
| 14:30.15 | Semlar | i don't normally think of those as parties |
| 14:30.53 | foxlit | no |
| 14:31.18 | foxlit | imagine you're in a group with someone who is in a battleground. |
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| 14:31.46 | Semlar | so it's referring to when you're in two parties at once |
| 14:32.41 | foxlit | when someone else is. "This player cannot see party or raid chat because they are currently in an instance with another group. You may still whisper this player." may explain it better. |
| 14:33.40 | Semlar | hm, did they change how the chat works because when i was playing if you were in a regular party and inside a battleground you could still talk in party chat with your regular group |
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| 14:34.40 | Semlar | i know they did change how those groups worked |
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| 14:35.04 | Fisker | shit mitch0 |
| 14:35.04 | Semlar | so you didn't have to disband your group after using LFG |
| 14:35.09 | Fisker | seems like someone already got the idea :O |
| 14:37.02 | Semlar | i had an idea once |
| 14:37.22 | Semlar | then i lost it |
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| 14:44.17 | Semlar | ..really not much of a story |
| 15:02.52 | Vladinator | Semlar the party group thing again? :P |
| 15:03.10 | Semlar | maybe |
| 15:03.39 | Vladinator | I know people don't agree but, one party, many parties make a raid, a group is all people regardless if it's 5 man or more :P |
| 15:04.01 | Vladinator | but I know people like the new blizz system but it makes old API confusing, like you said yourself ;D |
| 15:04.41 | Vladinator | just remember that chronologically party was 5 man, raid is >5 and a raid consists of 8 parties essencially :P |
| 15:05.13 | Vladinator | until cata/mop came ofc and new api was added that updated how we reference these specific types of groups |
| 15:05.44 | Vladinator | Semlar: how's the map going? :D |
| 15:05.53 | Semlar | >_> |
| 15:06.02 | Vladinator | just curious :( |
| 15:07.02 | Semlar | i was working on it some |
| 15:07.47 | Semlar | i'm still experimenting with how i want it to behave |
| 15:09.57 | Vladinator | got a repository somewhere? |
| 15:10.10 | Semlar | nah, sorry |
| 15:10.34 | Semlar | just have it on my computer |
| 15:10.45 | Vladinator | just asking :p |
| 15:12.55 | Semlar | there is this thing www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info20479-MapsterEnhanced.html which i think does a lot of stuff |
| 15:13.25 | Vladinator | take a look at dark portal atm, so many dead :P http://i.imgur.com/sESo8.jpg |
| 15:14.00 | Vladinator | I am looking, it's not a bad idea, only improvement would be interface but functionality wise like showing sum area name like Goldshie and such it's handy |
| 15:14.23 | Vladinator | having options like modifiers and such to display that type of data, ruler tool, so forth, could be handy ;) |
| 15:16.18 | Semlar | i had an idea and i'm not really sure if you can do it with settexcoord or not but i think you can |
| 15:17.21 | Semlar | but basically i was thinking you could make it so you could actually click and drag the map and rotate it in 3 dimensions so you could look at it from an angle and see the layers with space between them |
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| 15:17.59 | Vladinator | what worries me is the rotation bit :P |
| 15:18.01 | *** part/#wowuidev Industrial (~tom@62.212.77.76) |
| 15:18.07 | Semlar | even though the maps themselves are 2 dimensional |
| 15:18.25 | Semlar | you could move the whole system and treat it like a stack |
| 15:18.49 | Semlar | it wouldn't really have much practical use but it would look cool |
| 15:19.05 | Vladinator | I had a similar idea but for the minimap :P |
| 15:21.11 | Semlar | the main problem with doing it for the minimap is that the blips can't be skewed |
| 15:21.29 | Semlar | so you wouldn't be able to use the real minimap |
| 15:21.48 | Vladinator | aw :( |
| 15:21.57 | Semlar | you could only place icons for things you could detect like party members |
| 15:23.06 | Vladinator | that's kind of lame, oh well good you tested for me :P |
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| 15:24.45 | Vladinator | btw do you know if rep tabard is bugged? the one for the pandas |
| 15:25.28 | Shirik | "Among the risks Baumgartner faces is the chance that his supersonic body will trigger shock waves that could collide with the force of an explosion." |
| 15:25.33 | Shirik | TIL forces can collide with objects |
| 15:25.56 | Vladinator | the whale has a huge penis |
| 15:26.05 | Vladinator | just putting it out there, in Shirik style :P totally random stuff |
| 15:26.11 | Shirik | :) |
| 15:26.17 | Vladinator | ^^ |
| 15:26.18 | Shirik | being random is good for your health |
| 15:26.40 | Semlar | the unstoppable force |
| 15:28.18 | Vladinator | do anyone of you have a nameplate addon that shortens the names of the mobs? |
| 15:28.54 | Vladinator | I am trying to make a point :P |
| 15:29.04 | Vladinator | but trying to find some author :p |
| 15:29.44 | Semlar | my chat is covered in :P |
| 15:30.21 | Semlar | why do you keep licking the screen |
| 15:30.57 | Humbedooh | woo, launch |
| 15:33.11 | Vladinator | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info13961-caelNameplates.html when I hit DL it shows a HTML file :D |
| 15:33.14 | Vladinator | me only? |
| 15:33.31 | Ressy | yup. I get a rar file |
| 15:34.14 | Vladinator | thing is |
| 15:34.25 | Vladinator | there are no response headers on my query :P |
| 15:34.34 | Vladinator | http://cdn.wowinterface.com/downloads/getfile.php?id=13961&d=1322739833 |
| 15:34.53 | durcyn | you should use more emoticons, you actually sent a line without one |
| 15:35.05 | Semlar | :P |
| 15:35.49 | Vladinator | dolby: take a look on my issue :P |
| 15:35.56 | Vladinator | oh it's not an issue, just random :D |
| 15:36.16 | Vladinator | it appears to be only on that addon, weird. |
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| 15:36.59 | Vladinator | the log says the server doesn't send response headers so the browser just assumes the type of file that is being downloaded ;) that appears to be the issue. |
| 15:37.01 | Semlar | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info19881-InfinityPlates.html |
| 15:37.16 | Vladinator | oh Semlar nice |
| 15:37.33 | Vladinator | perfect |
| 15:37.52 | Vladinator | I noticed that most of these <insertsomeprefix>Nameplates use the same method |
| 15:38.00 | Vladinator | string.gsub(name, "%s?(.[\128-\191]*)%S+%s", "%1. ") |
| 15:38.07 | Vladinator | the problem with this one is that quotes are not handled :P |
| 15:38.34 | Semlar | this is the same way i was going to abbreviate names for this addon http://i.imgur.com/kDmnQ.jpg but never did |
| 15:38.54 | Vladinator | I guess people just forgot about quotes :P |
| 15:39.06 | Vladinator | worst part is no one notices this so people keep taking that code and using it in their own addon :P |
| 15:39.16 | Semlar | i'm betting a lot of them are just copying the same function |
| 15:39.20 | Vladinator | yes |
| 15:39.22 | Semlar | without understanding the pattern |
| 15:39.27 | Vladinator | yes |
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| 15:39.46 | Vladinator | I have no problem with copying code and such but when you don't even know what it does, I think there is the limit :P |
| 15:40.12 | Vladinator | if I copy your for loop and I know what it does it doesn't really mater that I copied it, but if I copy a chunk of code that I use and have no clue what it does and I just claim it's mine, that's a no no :P |
| 15:40.17 | bleeter | Shirik |
| 15:40.19 | bleeter | no |
| 15:40.20 | bleeter | wait |
| 15:40.23 | bleeter | Fisker |
| 15:40.32 | Semlar | well they know what it's supposed to do just not how it does it |
| 15:40.33 | Shirik | :( |
| 15:41.05 | Fisker | bleeter |
| 15:41.09 | Fisker | are you happy to see me? |
| 15:41.19 | Semlar | i probably would expect it to work if i were copying it from another addon |
| 15:41.50 | Shirik | I wouldn't |
| 15:42.55 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 15:43.57 | Vladinator | I doubt lua can handle more advanced rules |
| 15:44.08 | Vladinator | like not applying said pattern on quotes :p |
| 15:44.09 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
| 15:44.13 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 15:44.18 | Fisker | why does bleeter hate? :( |
| 15:44.20 | Fisker | hey Stanzilla |
| 15:44.41 | Stanzilla | hey Fisker |
| 15:44.45 | Stanzilla | you ignored me on the other network |
| 15:44.47 | Stanzilla | 3 times |
| 15:44.48 | Stanzilla | bitch |
| 15:44.50 | Fisker | nope Stanzilla |
| 15:44.53 | Fisker | GET |
| 15:44.53 | Fisker | IT |
| 15:44.54 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 15:44.54 | Fisker | THROUGH |
| 15:44.55 | Fisker | YOUR |
| 15:44.57 | Fisker | HEAD |
| 15:45.00 | Fisker | I am usermode +R |
| 15:45.09 | Fisker | i do not get your messages unless you are authed |
| 15:45.35 | Stanzilla | even in normal channels? |
| 15:45.38 | Vladinator | here is a small challenge if someone cares |
| 15:45.59 | Fisker | oh weird |
| 15:46.04 | Fisker | my highlight hasn't gone off |
| 15:46.33 | Semlar | i've used advanced pattern matching in addons before, your only option is to apply multiple separate patterns |
| 15:46.41 | Vladinator | I am curious how you would code a function that takes a string that is a name and shortens it down like for instance 'Tommy "Two" Toes' comes 'T. "T." Toes' and 'This "Is My" Name' becomes 'T. "I. M." Name' - you get the idea, in lua - anyone? |
| 15:46.55 | Semlar | split it on spaces |
| 15:47.01 | Semlar | keep the last item in the list |
| 15:47.09 | Semlar | get the first letter from the rest |
| 15:47.40 | Fisker | pls Stanzilla |
| 15:47.45 | Stanzilla | hi |
| 15:48.20 | Vladinator | lua_bot doesn't reply to my whispers lol |
| 15:48.24 | Vladinator | !lua print"test" |
| 15:48.24 | batbot | Vladinator: test |
| 15:48.29 | Vladinator | Ill try batbot |
| 15:49.55 | Vladinator | batbot has no split lol |
| 15:50.21 | Vladinator | I guess I'll just use the game interpreter :P |
| 15:50.31 | Semlar | you don't need to do all that, the pattern you posted earlier should work |
| 15:51.26 | Semlar | it just replaces full strings with their first letters |
| 15:51.54 | Semlar | as long as they're followed by a space and another string |
| 15:52.28 | Vladinator | then why does |
| 15:52.45 | Semlar | [\128-\191] matches a range of characters |
| 15:52.52 | Vladinator | Tommy "Two Toes" Jenkins = T. ". T. Jenkins |
| 15:53.00 | Vladinator | if I use that pattern |
| 15:53.39 | Semlar | because it matches the first character of the string |
| 15:53.54 | Semlar | T from Tommy, " from "Two and T from Toes" |
| 15:53.59 | Vladinator | it should be quote aware but as far as I know you need a more complicated function :P |
| 15:54.23 | Semlar | i don't think you could do it on one pass |
| 15:54.31 | Semlar | maybe |
| 15:54.57 | Semlar | you could with regex but lua's patterns are simpler |
| 15:55.15 | Vladinator | ye |
| 15:55.22 | Vladinator | I think you'd need more than one pass |
| 15:55.48 | Semlar | you could try matching [%S"]+ or something instead of %S+ |
| 15:56.03 | Semlar | i think it would require more than that though |
| 15:57.29 | Vladinator | are patterns efficient, versus using find for instance? |
| 15:57.47 | Semlar | i don't think there's anything efficient about patterns |
| 15:57.58 | bleeter | Fisker: as happy as you are :) |
| 15:58.20 | Fisker | hey bleeter |
| 15:59.04 | Vladinator | my function Semlar actually uses find split and sub :P |
| 15:59.14 | Vladinator | no match or gsub |
| 15:59.55 | Vladinator | appears I first split the name up then use find for the pesky quotes and have a flag to know when I am in a quote and not, hehe. oh well. |
| 15:59.57 | Semlar | i would personally split and do it how i described earlier instead of trying to come up with a pattern mostly because it's a little more straightforward |
| 16:00.11 | Vladinator | your method didn't work too good tough |
| 16:00.37 | Vladinator | the "get the first letter from the rest" part |
| 16:00.48 | Semlar | well instead of using the first character you would match the first character that matches the character set you want |
| 16:00.57 | Vladinator | for instance one part would be '"Two' |
| 16:01.00 | Semlar | since you want letters you would restrict it to A-Za-z or something |
| 16:01.15 | Vladinator | you would need to keep the quote and shorten the letters, making it '"T.' |
| 16:01.32 | Semlar | only if you want to keep the quote |
| 16:01.40 | Vladinator | yes, I meant you wanna keep quotes |
| 16:01.42 | Vladinator | like in my example |
| 16:02.03 | Vladinator | Tommy "Two" Toes becomes 'T. "T." Toes' and not 'T. T. T.' |
| 16:02.07 | Semlar | i would personally probably strip out the entire quoted section |
| 16:02.09 | Vladinator | 'T. T. Toes' |
| 16:02.16 | bleeter | i wonder if baumgartner got a tsa grope and probe before he left |
| 16:02.22 | Vladinator | the challenge had criterias Semlar :P |
| 16:02.29 | Vladinator | personally kind of ruins the challenge lol |
| 16:02.58 | Semlar | well, it just seems like "Two Toes" is a nickname and i don't necessarily want it in my abbreviation |
| 16:03.20 | Vladinator | it's just an example |
| 16:03.24 | Vladinator | >.< |
| 16:03.25 | Vladinator | jeez |
| 16:03.34 | Vladinator | sigh, I give up |
| 16:03.39 | Semlar | just something to consider |
| 16:04.24 | Semlar | any npc with quotes in its name you could probably safely strip out the quoted portion |
| 16:04.38 | Semlar | unless its entire name is quotes |
| 16:05.59 | Vladinator | code the function ShortName(plainName, stripNick) that would turn for example, 'Jim "Dead Eyes" John' into 'J. "D. E." John' and if stripNick bool was set it would then instead make it into 'J. John' |
| 16:06.27 | Vladinator | I think that made it more or less a bulletproof exam like task :P |
| 16:06.33 | Vladinator | no room for "personally I would" ;D |
| 16:07.10 | Semlar | i can't offer suggestions? |
| 16:07.11 | Vladinator | yeah good point, a name may not always have quotes or all of it would perhaps be in quotes if it's a "joke" so it would be important to make sure it always returns something and not empty string |
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| 16:07.31 | Vladinator | hehe, I just really wanted to see some practical code, if someone wanted to write it on pastebin :P |
| 16:07.51 | Vladinator | because I wanted to do some performance testing to see if what I have is "good enough" in comparison, or maybe there is an easier way ;D |
| 16:08.28 | Vladinator | but I assume people like to code for fun and it's not always fun to just code, so I understand if no one wants to code something that does this :D |
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| 16:11.34 | pompy | http://www.redbullstratos.com/live |
| 16:11.38 | pompy | this guy is crazy |
| 16:11.46 | Shirik | that's an understatement |
| 16:12.10 | karl_w_w | I miss sunwell |
| 16:12.28 | karl_w_w | that feeling of finally downing the trash :P |
| 16:23.49 | karl_w_w | i thought you could only use 1 elder charm of good fortune each week |
| 16:24.15 | kd3 | per boss |
| 16:26.09 | karl_w_w | did that change? im sure during beta it was going to be only 1 |
| 16:26.45 | kd3 | I used 4 this week |
| 16:27.04 | kd3 | got gold every time, sigh |
| 16:27.48 | Fisker | why you looking for me bleeter ? |
| 16:27.50 | karl_w_w | used 3 (so far) got a belt |
| 16:27.55 | karl_w_w | from first lfr boss |
| 16:28.49 | kd3 | here he goes |
| 16:36.03 | Jammer | karl_w_w: why would you get 3 per week if you could only use 1 :-) |
| 16:39.14 | Gnarfoz | it's only regulated by how many you can get (which is 3 per week), you can spend them all whenever you like |
| 16:39.41 | nevcairiel | one only per boss, though =p |
| 16:39.51 | Shirik | pompy: Reading the twitter posts is disappointing |
| 16:39.59 | Shirik | everyone acting like they're an expert and nobody actually knowing anything |
| 16:40.28 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: you should have realized that from your first comment |
| 16:43.11 | nevcairiel | watching a balloon slowly going up seems rather boring |
| 16:43.14 | nevcairiel | i dont get it :p |
| 16:44.48 | karl_w_w | Jammer: so you dont have to do them every week |
| 16:46.43 | foxlit | karl_w_w: I currently have 665 lesser tokens that I can't hand in |
| 16:47.04 | kd3 | eesh, and I was feeling bad about starting on my third stack yesterday |
| 16:47.13 | End_ | I only have 540 |
| 16:47.25 | End_ | had to destroy some stuff so I could put them in my bank |
| 16:47.51 | End_ | really regret not bothering to turn in the first week because I didn't know it was limited by weekly |
| 16:48.16 | End_ | and honestly, I can understand why the turn in rate is limited, but what I don't understand is why they aren't also currency |
| 16:48.22 | Mr_Rabies | i've started making a ton of illusionary bags for my main because i'm running really low on space |
| 16:48.25 | foxlit | I feel like the UI should warn you when you're about to use a token on a boss you already have your only possible item from |
| 16:48.54 | Mr_Rabies | i really hope they have a lesser token exchange for spirits of harmony, or let us use 6-9 a week or something |
| 16:49.13 | Vladinator | Semlar: I coded mine like this |
| 16:49.23 | foxlit | nah, think this is okay |
| 16:49.30 | Vladinator | http://pastebin.com/MdLBebHx |
| 16:49.30 | foxlit | Currently oversupplied because of all the rep grinding |
| 16:49.54 | karl_w_w | "Watch out below, falling ballast" |
| 16:50.33 | Semlar | this guy's massive balls are probably acting as ballast |
| 16:52.05 | Shirik | this guy |
| 16:52.06 | Shirik | is an idiot |
| 16:52.17 | Shirik | why is he the announcer |
| 16:52.33 | bleeter | to annoy you |
| 16:53.15 | Vladinator | Semlar: do you hate it? :8 |
| 16:56.26 | Semlar | it seems a bit lengthy |
| 16:56.33 | Vladinator | it does |
| 16:56.42 | Vladinator | I couldn't find any shorter way of writing it :P |
| 16:57.30 | karl_w_w | I feel like if it was me I could do the jump I just wouldn't be able to handle the ascent :P |
| 16:58.00 | Semlar | this is like the climb on a roller coaster |
| 16:58.12 | Semlar | except 30km up |
| 16:58.12 | karl_w_w | and to think he's only 25 meters off the ground |
| 16:58.27 | Semlar | yeah it's weird how they go to 3 decimal places |
| 16:58.28 | AcidWeb | Soon his balon will stop - height limit. |
| 16:58.50 | karl_w_w | invisible ceiling? :P |
| 16:58.54 | bleeter | i reckon it's all faked. the shadows are all wrong. he's actually over on the grassy knoll. |
| 16:59.39 | Shirik | thwacks karl_w_w and Semlar |
| 16:59.40 | karl_w_w | yeah it's obvious it's fake, you can tell from the way the balloon is rippling |
| 16:59.41 | Semlar | this would all be a lot more exciting had he opted to ride a rocket instead of a balloon |
| 17:00.03 | Mr_Rabies | how long is the descent supposed to be? |
| 17:00.18 | Semlar | roughly the same as the ascent |
| 17:00.19 | Shirik | from FL1200 |
| 17:00.34 | Shirik | what's the ground level altitude of roswell? |
| 17:00.53 | Humbedooh | 3600 feet |
| 17:00.59 | Semlar | he's probably not going to wind up in roswell |
| 17:01.20 | karl_w_w | that would be amazing if he did |
| 17:01.30 | Shirik | he has a lot of time to steer |
| 17:01.35 | Semlar | if he's falling from that height he's probably going to drift pretty far |
| 17:01.36 | Shirik | if he misses roswell he sucks at aiming |
| 17:01.42 | karl_w_w | lol |
| 17:01.45 | Mr_Rabies | what's the goal altitude? |
| 17:01.50 | Shirik | FL1200 |
| 17:02.07 | A-KO | Mr_Rabies: 120,000 feet |
| 17:02.08 | karl_w_w | 1,200 fart layers |
| 17:02.18 | Semlar | CONVERT TO METERS |
| 17:02.19 | Shirik | flight level |
| 17:02.42 | kd3 | 36.5km |
| 17:02.50 | Shirik | it's not really fair to say that though |
| 17:03.40 | karl_w_w | if he can pull that sun visor up with his hand, what's going to stop the wind pulling it up? :P |
| 17:03.51 | A-KO | A scientific mission to 120,000 ft. Jumping from a stratospheric balloon one man will attempt to break the speed of sound in freefall. |
| 17:03.53 | A-KO | :P |
| 17:03.54 | kd3 | he'll lock it closed before he opens the door? |
| 17:05.00 | A-KO | The only guy allowed to talk to him is the guy who set the record in 1960 |
| 17:05.14 | Shirik | what I would really like to know |
| 17:05.21 | Shirik | if they don't solve the heater problem, how exactly does he get down? |
| 17:05.29 | A-KO | "fuck it, I'm going" |
| 17:05.35 | Shirik | does the capsule have a parachute? |
| 17:05.41 | Humbedooh | yes |
| 17:05.41 | A-KO | it does, but to rescue itself. |
| 17:05.46 | Semlar | what i want to know is what happens to a can of red bull at this height |
| 17:05.55 | karl_w_w | lol |
| 17:05.59 | A-KO | $65,000 in helium |
| 17:06.00 | A-KO | lol |
| 17:06.11 | Semlar | that's a lot of party balloons |
| 17:06.33 | kd3 | nothing, probably. the can has to handle a large amount of pressure here on the ground |
| 17:06.41 | karl_w_w | that's a lot of helium we don't have |
| 17:06.55 | Semlar | yeah but the pressure inside the can is going to be considerably higher than the pressure outside |
| 17:07.11 | A-KO | 90,400 feet |
| 17:07.17 | A-KO | 23 minutes til jump or so |
| 17:08.08 | A-KO | dude's crzy |
| 17:08.20 | karl_w_w | ur right, he should have taken a book |
| 17:09.22 | karl_w_w | "reducing the distance to the sun" what a retard |
| 17:09.27 | A-KO | yeah |
| 17:09.29 | A-KO | he's not very bright |
| 17:09.30 | A-KO | lol |
| 17:09.39 | karl_w_w | I'm so close to the fuckin sun the balloon is gonna melt! |
| 17:09.44 | A-KO | ~93,000 feet |
| 17:09.45 | karl_w_w | they didn't plan for that! |
| 17:10.45 | karl_w_w | apparently he's travelling up |
| 17:11.06 | A-KO | apparently |
| 17:11.18 | A-KO | very soon he will be traveling down :P |
| 17:11.44 | A-KO | I'll be honest, admittedly, this guy is less nuts than astronauts |
| 17:11.56 | A-KO | Ever seen a Saturn V rocket? |
| 17:12.14 | karl_w_w | travelling at the speed of sound in nothing but a suit? are you sure about that? :P |
| 17:12.16 | A-KO | the very fact that people would sit themselves on top of that much explosives to go into space.........takes some serious balls. |
| 17:12.18 | karl_w_w | he's not iron man you know |
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| 17:12.34 | Shirik | A-KO: Every day we ride around in an explosion machine |
| 17:12.41 | Shirik | You can't say the same about a balloon |
| 17:12.54 | Semlar | what about a hot air balloon |
| 17:12.59 | karl_w_w | I travel to work in a balloon every day! |
| 17:13.09 | Shirik | do you ride in a hot air balloon every day? |
| 17:13.14 | Semlar | you don't know me |
| 17:13.29 | karl_w_w | maybe Semlar is a ballooning instructor |
| 17:13.49 | Semlar | i'm actually inside that capsule |
| 17:14.10 | Semlar | I CAN SEE MY HOUSE FROM HERE |
| 17:14.32 | karl_w_w | I can see the inside of your mum's bedroom from here! |
| 17:14.58 | A-KO | I can see your mom from here! |
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| 17:16.15 | A-KO | -25 is nothing |
| 17:16.20 | A-KO | lol |
| 17:17.38 | Shirik | It was about -60C earlier |
| 17:18.27 | mckenziemc | see's Thunder_Child. |
| 17:18.42 | Thunder_Child | that's creepy mckenziemc |
| 17:19.13 | karl_w_w | kittinger guy: "fuck it, I will give my hand to make this jump" |
| 17:21.48 | A-KO | wouldn't be me |
| 17:21.49 | A-KO | lol |
| 17:21.58 | Shirik | people are stupid |
| 17:22.05 | Humbedooh | I wonder...if he passes out, can they trigger his parachute from mission control? |
| 17:22.06 | Shirik | I keep going back to the "what does this actually accomplish?" |
| 17:22.07 | Humbedooh | I hope so :3 |
| 17:22.08 | Shirik | nothing |
| 17:22.14 | Shirik | Humbedooh: It will automatically deploy |
| 17:22.46 | Humbedooh | who cares if it provides valuable stuff, it's great entertainment :) |
| 17:22.58 | Shirik | see this is what's wrong with the world |
| 17:23.35 | Shirik | I know the whole "time is money" thing is cliche but seriously time is the only resource you can't recover, so literally time becomes a currency |
| 17:23.58 | Shirik | so when we waste all this $ (time) and time (now 2x time) on something like this |
| 17:24.17 | Shirik | it makes you wonder, if we never did things like this, would we already have colonies on other planets or something? |
| 17:24.27 | A-KO | Shirik: NASA is using the event to study the effects on their space suit or something |
| 17:24.43 | A-KO | along those lines |
| 17:28.23 | Shirik | on a totally random note |
| 17:28.30 | Shirik | how was this not caught on the ground? |
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| 17:42.42 | karl_w_w | hey my youtube changed itself from 720 to 480 |
| 17:45.41 | karl_w_w | balloon sped up again |
| 17:46.56 | karl_w_w | oh no he escaped gravity! :P |
| 17:47.15 | Humbedooh | speedy ;o |
| 17:47.47 | Humbedooh | yipes |
| 17:48.01 | Adys | youtube is just erroring out here :( |
| 17:48.19 | Humbedooh | I hope it doesn't pop ;< |
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| 17:52.57 | karl_w_w | don't forget to zip up your pockets! |
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| 18:00.07 | karl_w_w | looks like they might just make 128k feet |
| 18:00.26 | karl_w_w | they shoulda kept going to 40 km |
| 18:01.03 | Humbedooh | 128k feet is a nice binary number :> |
| 18:01.44 | karl_w_w | no it's not |
| 18:02.00 | g0urra | I hope they fail |
| 18:02.01 | karl_w_w | nobody walks into space so why would a measurement in feet be relevant? :P |
| 18:02.14 | g0urra | and he won't get the "Going Down?" achievement |
| 18:02.42 | Adys | anything feet is a retarded number |
| 18:02.51 | Adys | also, mirror: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-19927667 |
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| 18:12.42 | karl_w_w | no freefall record |
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| 18:17.55 | Vladinator | nice exploit |
| 18:18.14 | Vladinator | Quilen pet, if the hunter dies and spams /use [@player]Eternal Guardian he will basically combat res himself with the pet lol |
| 18:23.53 | Fisker | hey nevcairiel |
| 18:24.08 | Mr_Rabies | pets should just go into autocast mode when you die |
| 18:24.10 | Mr_Rabies | spamming whatever they can |
| 18:24.17 | Mr_Rabies | including battleres, lol |
| 18:24.27 | Mr_Rabies | imagine that in raids |
| 18:24.46 | Mr_Rabies | it'd be something like this http://i.minus.com/izKyX1aJ0SPF7.gif |
| 18:28.20 | Adys | Mr_Rabies: tell me thats a huge fake |
| 18:29.02 | Mr_Rabies | no clue |
| 18:29.24 | karl_w_w | omg we broke youtubr |
| 18:29.37 | karl_w_w | error 502 everywhere |
| 18:30.23 | karl_w_w | Mr_Rabies: with battle res it would be more like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWfCw9hIKE8 |
| 18:30.40 | Mr_Rabies | Server error!!1 |
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| 18:47.15 | Vladinator | Torhal Core.lua:570: Usage: GetPetInfoByID(ID) :'( |
| 18:47.20 | Vladinator | when I release the pet :P |
| 18:47.21 | Adys | Shit man |
| 18:47.24 | Adys | the guy should be proud |
| 18:47.31 | Adys | record holder or not, he broke youtube |
| 18:47.49 | Adys | for some reason I'm a lot more impressed by that.. and i was already pretty impressed |
| 18:47.56 | Alram | youtube broke youtube |
| 18:47.58 | Alram | not felix |
| 18:48.13 | Alram | (mind you i havent had any issues with the stream in the past 3 hours) |
| 18:48.20 | Adys | I have :P |
| 18:48.33 | Alram | been watching in 1080p on my big ass tv in the living room |
| 18:48.35 | Adys | had to get the mirror off the bbc |
| 18:48.36 | Alram | vnice |
| 18:48.49 | Adys | also, smirk |
| 18:49.09 | Adys | youtube is now actually running off google's network it would seem |
| 18:49.15 | Adys | they used to have their own 502s and such |
| 18:49.21 | karl_w_w | my stream was fine apart from 1 or 2 momentary bufferings |
| 18:51.42 | karl_w_w | man healers ae just not queuing up for lfr |
| 18:58.14 | karl_w_w | so following random related videos has ended up with me saying http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-3GbgfAqF8 |
| 18:58.16 | karl_w_w | wtf? |
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| 19:30.48 | karl_w_w | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxv6R9fUO74 FREAK! |
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| 19:44.52 | Humbedooh | http://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=393255954080668&id=391339787605618 ;< |
| 19:45.07 | Humbedooh | how rude |
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| 20:36.18 | jnwhiteh | someone with no addons loaded has GetBindingByKey("SHIFT-2") set to click bt4button31:leftbutton |
| 20:36.21 | jnwhiteh | this confuses me, a lot. |
| 20:36.33 | Ackis | "When my 16 year old son was 4 I found him in the garage, cleaning up oil that he dumped all over the garage floor with our new kitten. I will never forget the hell of this mess. Both of them, covered in oil. The floor covered in oil. " |
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| 20:43.41 | wereHamster | what's wrong with that? |
| 20:44.09 | Adys | wereHamster: Ackis set both of em on fire. |
| 20:44.26 | wereHamster | Which two: child, kitten, garage? |
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| 20:49.12 | Adys | wereHamster: you pick |
| 20:55.38 | Thunder_Child | A-KO: how was your bar crawl? |
| 20:56.24 | neutronimity | Does anyone have a lvl ~75 tank, EU, alliance side? :P Looking to speed-run dungeons. I'm healer! :o |
| 21:00.51 | karl_w_w | neutronimity: yes, no, yes |
| 21:01.12 | neutronimity | :( |
| 21:01.21 | neutronimity | EU & US should merge! :D |
| 21:01.55 | foxlit | and host servers in australia, so everyone can enjoy the 500ms ping |
| 21:01.58 | karl_w_w | two out of three aint bad |
| 21:02.06 | karl_w_w | and other such meat loaf songs |
| 21:03.24 | g0urra | ELEGON NO MORE FUCK YEAH |
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| 21:19.09 | Stanzilla | heroic? |
| 21:23.31 | mikma | heroin |
| 21:25.40 | g0urra | normal |
| 21:25.53 | F16Gaming | abnormal |
| 21:25.58 | A-KO | Thunder_Child: Decent, actually. My only concern was that much of the crowd was generally younger, and by younger I mean there were quite a few under 18. I'd say in general the entirety of the crowd was under 30. Overall, it was pretty solid. They had the entirety of the 2nd floor of this bar with all but 3 TVs playing the LoL finals. |
| 21:27.09 | Thunder_Child | A-KO: I bet it was more comfortable than being there....those chairs suck |
| 21:28.07 | A-KO | lol |
| 21:28.21 | A-KO | I dunno, my ass hurt for sitting for a few hours given that it was delayed. |
| 21:29.06 | A-KO | There were lots of problems. The 'official' feed on leagueoflegends.com couldn't handle the load. Stutters and cuts at key moments during battles. The people running it at the bar ended up switching feeds. |
| 21:29.42 | A-KO | And entirely too much talking by 'announcers'. |
| 21:29.53 | Thunder_Child | a few hours? i was there for 4 i think |
| 21:30.04 | Thunder_Child | maybe 4.5 |
| 21:30.27 | A-KO | wait, you were at the bar I was at? |
| 21:30.33 | Thunder_Child | ... |
| 21:30.46 | Thunder_Child | no at USC |
| 21:30.49 | A-KO | oh |
| 21:31.22 | Thunder_Child | youj know that trophy they presented cost $250K? |
| 21:31.25 | A-KO | I really wish they wouldn't try to emulate 'sports' with esports..it's so annoying.... |
| 21:31.30 | A-KO | dude that trophy was hot though |
| 21:31.43 | Thunder_Child | my friend designed it |
| 21:31.50 | A-KO | that's awesome |
| 21:32.03 | Thunder_Child | he said they got it 'resonably close' to his design |
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| 21:32.33 | A-KO | e-sports need less children announcers and more gaming |
| 21:32.34 | A-KO | lol |
| 21:32.58 | Thunder_Child | supposedly the korean ones are much better |
| 21:33.41 | A-KO | E-Sports events just seem so......I dunno....when they try to make it 'big'...it's like....attractive women patronizing gamers and children for announcers.... |
| 21:33.55 | A-KO | though quakecon's tournaments tend to be decent in person |
| 21:33.58 | A-KO | it's all about the game |
| 21:34.03 | A-KO | none of the BS |
| 21:34.38 | A-KO | It's like the booth babes have moved on to actually talking....and this is where they end up |
| 21:34.40 | A-KO | lol |
| 21:35.05 | A-KO | I did, however, drop about $50 at the bar |
| 21:35.06 | A-KO | or so |
| 21:35.08 | A-KO | booze + food |
| 21:35.17 | Thunder_Child | From what i understand most people like when the anouncers act just like it's a valid sport |
| 21:35.27 | A-KO | dude all that shit makes me cringe |
| 21:35.30 | Thunder_Child | i spent $10 on parking, that was about it |
| 21:36.08 | A-KO | It's the one thing I despise about 'e-sports', really. I like a good game. I'd love to continue watching game events at bars. It's a good combination. But my god, the whole emulating sports thing is a bit much.. |
| 21:38.24 | Thunder_Child | well, it's subjective that it is/is not a sport |
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| 21:39.10 | A-KO | It is, and I'm not necessarily saying it's not a sport; I'm just saying that they could execute a bit better. Firstly, get the high schoolers out of the announcer seats. |
| 21:39.32 | A-KO | They need to VASTLY improve the distribution of streaming |
| 21:40.52 | Thunder_Child | Sure, find a 'seasoned' announcer that knows League well enough to cast it |
| 21:40.54 | A-KO | and maybe do more of a bio related to the game and the players, rather than background bios of kids living in hteir parents' house making $20,000 every 6 months... |
| 21:41.05 | Thunder_Child | if you could find a good one over 30 i would be surprised |
| 21:41.37 | A-KO | Like, we lal know that's the reality of a lot of these top players. But that does not have to be broadcast all over the damn place. |
| 21:41.39 | A-KO | all the time |
| 21:41.40 | A-KO | lol |
| 21:42.07 | Thunder_Child | i meant announcer over 30 |
| 21:42.22 | A-KO | I know, I'm saying you don't need an over 30..just someone who is of legal drinking age.... |
| 21:43.33 | A-KO | Pay nearly any of the reviewers of games over at IGN or Gamespot or something |
| 21:43.37 | A-KO | give them a real salary |
| 21:43.46 | A-KO | not kids who look like their suits are too big for them... |
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| 22:11.28 | foxlit | I found the secret curse comment subscription checkbox! |
| 22:11.39 | foxlit | It was at http://www.curse.com/my-profile/activity |
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| 22:35.41 | Vladinator | there is an odd exploit going around about having a panda keep their neutral faction lol :P you guys seen anyone with that yet? |
| 22:36.49 | durcyn | no, it hasn't been discussed at length in this very channel within the past two days at all, go on. |
| 22:37.03 | Kraps | harsh man |
| 22:37.28 | Vladinator | xD |
| 22:37.45 | Vladinator | curious if the third faction is neutral to both ally and horde or if hostile to both :P |
| 22:37.55 | durcyn | neutral to both. |
| 22:39.15 | Vladinator | oh, how fun! :D |
| 22:40.38 | Vladinator | anyone made one? doesn't seem that hard to do, just need to get ported out and tada ;D |
| 22:41.42 | durcyn | rumour has it the exploit was fixed. |
| 22:42.14 | Vladinator | what happened to those that are neutral? |
| 22:42.32 | durcyn | the rumour didn't include that information |
| 22:43.36 | Vladinator | :D |
| 22:43.44 | Vladinator | wonder if they will get banned |
| 22:44.00 | Vladinator | or just teleported back to the isles and hotfix done |
| 22:44.19 | Cairenn|afk | it was an exploit and it's already been fixed |
| 22:44.39 | Vladinator | Cairenn the parrot :D mimicing durcyn |
| 22:44.54 | Vladinator | tihi |
| 22:45.02 | Cairenn|afk | didn't mimic at all, he didn't mention that it's been fixed |
| 22:45.04 | Kraps | disrepectin |
| 22:45.27 | Cairenn|afk | oh, nm, actually he did |
| 22:45.27 | Vladinator | relax Kraps I am just messing with Cairenn :P |
| 22:45.31 | Vladinator | ^^ |
| 22:45.33 | Cairenn|afk | disregard me :p |
| 22:45.37 | Cairenn|afk | hehehe |
| 22:46.03 | mckenziemc | hugs Cairenn|afk |
| 22:46.07 | durcyn | Cairenn can probably get away with that |
| 22:46.14 | Cairenn|afk | heh |
| 22:46.28 | Cairenn|afk | smoogles everyone then poofs back out again for a while |
| 22:46.37 | Humbedooh | hugs mckenziemc |
| 22:46.41 | mckenziemc | dies. |
| 22:46.45 | Humbedooh | ): |
| 22:47.31 | Vladinator | lol |
| 22:47.59 | Vladinator | btw I didn't know saying someone is mimicking a parrot is offsensive, Kraps :P |
| 22:48.20 | foxlit | You're like a parrot, Vladinator |
| 22:48.24 | Vladinator | I am |
| 22:48.31 | Vladinator | I repeat myself quite often! |
| 22:48.33 | Vladinator | and others |
| 22:48.41 | Dewin | I'm looking for a quick reference on outputting formatted text to chatframes (i.e. links and colorized text). In particular, I know about the |h:item... and such syntax, but I don't know the specifics of how it works. Might someone have a quick pointer or two for that? |
| 22:48.52 | durcyn | who turned on your verbose flag today, and why are they still alive |
| 22:50.14 | Cairenn|afk | he didn't say you were offensive, he said you were disrespectin ;) |
| 22:50.27 | Cairenn|afk | oh right, I'm not here now, disregard |
| 22:50.33 | mckenziemc | o.o |
| 22:51.02 | foxlit | Parrots are generally annoying because they don't stop making noises. |
| 22:54.15 | Vladinator | lol |
| 22:55.25 | Vladinator | it's like if I fart I bet I will offend or disrespect someone because it's rude in their oppinion -but when you mingle with other people, especially across borders, be open minded and don't think negative about every single thing you feel can be offensive or disrespectful! :P |
| 22:55.37 | Vladinator | fyi I love parrots |
| 22:56.28 | Cairenn|afk | Vladinator: he was teasing right back :p |
| 22:56.48 | durcyn | well, the only real problem is that you talk too much |
| 22:57.01 | Vladinator | I know :D I was just being a parrot again. I don't know, just feel people in general are not so tolerant anymore :P |
| 22:57.15 | Vladinator | not talking about anyone in this channel atm |
| 22:57.24 | Humbedooh | ah go on, admit it |
| 22:57.31 | Humbedooh | it's Ackis, isn't it :( |
| 22:57.36 | Vladinator | :P |
| 22:57.48 | Humbedooh | and his crabs :\ |
| 22:57.54 | Vladinator | if I absolutely have to make a list I got 2-3 names on it yes |
| 22:57.54 | Cairenn|afk | Well, I have to agree with you somewhat on that one, Vladinator. People need to take the sticks out of their asses. |
| 22:58.04 | Cairenn|afk | and on that note, really gone for a while, ciao |
| 22:58.07 | Vladinator | ^^ |
| 22:58.25 | Vladinator | you've faked your disappearing three times already, I doubt anyone will fall for a fourth time! |
| 22:58.58 | Humbedooh | ..cried the boy |
| 22:59.07 | Vladinator | I bet she tabbed to read then minimized it, trying not to be tempted to type :D |
| 23:02.54 | Vladinator | I have a question |
| 23:03.02 | Vladinator | how did the pandas get to azeroth? |
| 23:03.11 | Vladinator | they pick a faction, then loading screen, then org/sw... |
| 23:03.19 | Vladinator | that's kind of weird |
| 23:06.30 | g0urra | has the EU armory gone poof for anyone else? |
| 23:06.50 | Ketho | Vladinator: they get caged, and shipped off by zeppelin? |
| 23:07.10 | Vladinator | why hasn't anyone sued them for portraying slavery yet? :P |
| 23:08.07 | Vladinator | remember the thing with resident evil and black zombies in africa? :P |
| 23:09.05 | Vladinator | just saying, if pandas got caged and shipped someone probably wanted to sue at some point :p |
| 23:09.50 | Semlar | nobody is getting sued over depicting slavery |
| 23:10.15 | durcyn | someone please lock this guy in a room with amarande for a century or so. |
| 23:10.29 | g0urra | ^ |
| 23:10.29 | Vladinator | :D |
| 23:11.09 | Vladinator | Ama barely talks though |
| 23:11.22 | Ressy | lawlz |
| 23:11.28 | g0urra | 'cause he's not here |
| 23:11.43 | Ressy | only reason its quiet |
| 23:12.58 | Ketho | g0urra: "503 Unavailable" for eu armory here .. |
| 23:13.00 | Vladinator | I feel it's dead if I don't speak, rarely do others make ocnversations :P |
| 23:13.29 | g0urra | yep, that's what I'm getting.. good thing is happens just as we're trying to update our server first elegon kill :/ |
| 23:13.34 | g0urra | it* |
| 23:13.48 | Vladinator | WhatPulse is annoying, when it has no connection to auto sync it whines with a dialog box, just saying, WhatPulse is cool but damn they gotta fix their client to be more invisible... :D |
| 23:13.55 | Vladinator | Elegon? |
| 23:13.59 | Vladinator | ah right raid boss :3 gl |
| 23:14.18 | g0urra | well we killed him tonight, now we're just waiting for wowprogress to update it |
| 23:14.52 | Vladinator | what happens if realm first? |
| 23:14.57 | Vladinator | :P |
| 23:15.15 | g0urra | then we're the best. |
| 23:15.41 | Vladinator | heck yeah! then you get laid, money and don't have to work whole your life! |
| 23:15.49 | Vladinator | oh wait that was my fantasy :( |
| 23:15.56 | Ressy | lmao |
| 23:19.29 | Semlar | you're livin the dream vladinator |
| 23:19.55 | Vladinator | heck yes |
| 23:20.27 | g0urra | I guess someone who isn't a PvE person doesn't understand |
| 23:21.15 | Vladinator | me not a pve person, ME? |
| 23:21.16 | Vladinator | LOL |
| 23:21.32 | Vladinator | boy been leading my own guilds since vanilla to mid wotlk :P |
| 23:21.45 | Vladinator | but then uni came and I had no time to raid, but doesn't mean I am not a PvE person :P |
| 23:22.13 | g0urra | I'll rephrase then: doesn't do competitive raiding, at least realm-wise |
| 23:23.17 | Vladinator | I was on the most fun time to be competitive, back when we had to open AQ and it was us and like 6 other guilds |
| 23:23.25 | Vladinator | competing to do the events and farm quickest, man it was fun |
| 23:23.39 | Vladinator | we had some of each guild on irc and spoke often |
| 23:24.06 | Vladinator | if you wonder we did meat the others to it, hehe |
| 23:25.35 | Vladinator | I was messing with you g0urra :P |
| 23:25.57 | Vladinator | it's fun but when you think about it after a while it just becomes a memory no one cares about but you :( |
| 23:28.54 | g0urra | aaand armory went poof again |
| 23:28.55 | g0urra | sigh |
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| 23:29.30 | Semlar | competitive raiding, haha |
| 23:29.59 | Semlar | who are you competing with |
| 23:30.15 | g0urra | like I said, other guilds on our server |
| 23:30.30 | Semlar | what's the goal |
| 23:30.50 | Semlar | first to clear it? |
| 23:30.56 | g0urra | yeah |
| 23:30.59 | Vladinator | its always boss by boss first |
| 23:31.01 | Vladinator | ye |
| 23:31.31 | g0urra | so far my guild has been realm first kill on all pandaria raid bosses until elegon |
| 23:32.06 | Vladinator | you didn't get elegon first? |
| 23:32.15 | Vladinator | say good bye to loosing your virginity :( |
| 23:32.41 | g0urra | uh we did get elegon first |
| 23:32.53 | Vladinator | oh, then grats, say good bye to your virginity! ;D |
| 23:33.11 | g0urra | >implying I have it left |
| 23:33.12 | Semlar | no sex for everyone! |
| 23:33.34 | Vladinator | :P |
| 23:33.38 | Semlar | http://www.overwolf.com/ |
| 23:34.29 | Vladinator | I didn't like it so much :( |
| 23:34.31 | Vladinator | when I tried it |
| 23:35.07 | Dewin | Does anybody know offhand if the combat lockdown stops silly things like... destroying inventory items? |
| 23:35.14 | Semlar | no |
| 23:35.20 | Vladinator | I like the idea but wish it could have a "minimalistic" mode where I don't have to know it's running ;D no icons or fancy stuff hehe. |
| 23:35.38 | Vladinator | Dewin I think not. |
| 23:35.55 | Dewin | Heh, you'd think someone would have made something that deletes the brew from Brewfest then, but that's totally not why I'm asking. |
| 23:36.09 | Vladinator | I lost 300 gold coins over night |
| 23:36.13 | Vladinator | I had nothing to buy ;D |
| 23:36.18 | Vladinator | actually I could buy brew clothes |
| 23:36.21 | Vladinator | but I forgot and slept :P |
| 23:36.36 | Semlar | i don't even know if deleting an item requires a hardware event |
| 23:36.36 | Vladinator | no mounts this year either |
| 23:36.41 | Vladinator | nope |
| 23:36.44 | Vladinator | it doesn't |
| 23:36.46 | Semlar | i think you can just pick it up and delete it |
| 23:36.55 | Dewin | Semlar: It doesn't, normally. |
| 23:37.23 | Dewin | I'm writing an addon that deletes all gardening implements from your inventory if you leave Sunsong Ranch/The Halfhill Market/Halfhill for more than 30 seconds. |
| 23:37.40 | Dewin | Trying to think of things that'd break it. |
| 23:37.43 | Semlar | poor tools |
| 23:37.51 | Vladinator | already made that Dewin :P |
| 23:37.52 | Vladinator | sec |
| 23:38.31 | Dewin | Of course, I just finished doing the last bits of testing :-p |
| 23:38.57 | Vladinator | for example http://pastebin.com/1NyyeGbt |
| 23:39.52 | Dewin | Ah. Not quite as user-friendly or locale-aware, but I see. |
| 23:40.08 | Vladinator | I stripped out some commented code I was working on, using timers and such, but haven't yet finished it, hence why the code isn't gonna work out of the box, just gives an idea :P |
| 23:40.29 | Vladinator | to delete items you need to use PickupContainerItem when picking them up |
| 23:40.41 | Dewin | yup |
| 23:40.43 | Dewin | http://pastebin.com/HPqcR5uJ |
| 23:40.46 | Dewin | what I ended up with, and is working |
| 23:41.15 | Vladinator | LibBabble ;D |
| 23:41.30 | Dewin | Give me a locale-independant way of determining if I'm in the correct subzone and I wouldn't need it :-/ |
| 23:41.49 | Dewin | there's a locale-independant way to check for Valley of the Four Winds, but not for subzones |
| 23:41.54 | Vladinator | GetSubZoneText(1) returns enUS locale version of the subzone |
| 23:42.02 | Dewin | Oh? |
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| 23:42.18 | Dewin | API reference I was using said nothing of the sort. |
| 23:42.41 | Semlar | you could compare your coordinates with those of the subzone |
| 23:42.50 | Vladinator | haha! I am messing with you! but admit it, you did hope that it was true that they had added a flag :P would make a lot of libraries useless with such a feature ;D |
| 23:43.01 | Vladinator | actually Semlar that's what I did comment out :P |
| 23:43.03 | Semlar | the top left and bottom right corners |
| 23:43.14 | Dewin | Yeah, Semlar, I thought about using that approach but this seemed cleaner somehow. |
| 23:43.21 | Vladinator | I made a small lib to feed it coordinates that form a shape on the map, then you could check if you are inside it or not :P |
| 23:43.25 | Semlar | just a thought |
| 23:43.44 | Vladinator | top left and bottom right check would be a better way tbh, than having a lib for locale independent zone checks |
| 23:44.17 | Dewin | Then someone would discover that the corner is outside the actual subzones and complain it's not working correctly. |
| 23:44.37 | Semlar | :s |
| 23:44.52 | Semlar | you could take my approach and not care |
| 23:45.26 | Vladinator | not if you make a proper good padding :P |
| 23:45.38 | Vladinator | fly yourself and make sure there is enough space between the coordinates and the zone ;D |
| 23:45.53 | Vladinator | not that hard and yes if someone whines then ignore them xD |
| 23:46.16 | Dewin | which of the various API calls for map coords should I use anyways? Since GetPlayerMapPosition is dependant on the current map being displayed... |
| 23:46.28 | Semlar | ha |
| 23:46.31 | Vladinator | ha |
| 23:47.06 | Semlar | well as long as the map's not open to another zone that won't be a problem |
| 23:47.38 | Dewin | Yes, but I like to try to code bulletproof :-p |
| 23:47.53 | Semlar | you won't be able to without making the map unusable |
| 23:48.19 | Dewin | so I'll probably stay with my current version :-p |
| 23:48.53 | Vladinator | why don't blizzard use the good ol' approach to have the API return the localized and english version? |
| 23:48.55 | Vladinator | :/ |
| 23:49.21 | Vladinator | like race, class, e.g. it wouldn't hurt them making zone info also return another result being the locale independent version |
| 23:49.56 | Vladinator | another issue is dig sites, with the new patch each dig site has its unique ID and you can not make a map addon that overlays digsites without using the built in dig site frame object :/ |
| 23:50.07 | Vladinator | point is you can't make an addon to point you to for instance the closest digsite to your location |
| 23:50.12 | Semlar | well, zones all have unique ids |
| 23:50.16 | Vladinator | lack of API between dig site location and normal map :( |
| 23:50.20 | Dewin | Zones do, Semlar. Subzones don't |
| 23:50.22 | Vladinator | zones yes but not sub-zones or smaller areas. |
| 23:51.02 | Vladinator | besides the api to return zone id is also dependend on the map not being changed at zone change |
| 23:51.22 | Vladinator | tough it automatically changes to the current zone upon swap, point is it will return the id of the zone viewed and not current zone :( |
| 23:52.23 | Semlar | everything is dependent on the map because they're all map functions not actually zone functions |
| 23:53.04 | Vladinator | shame the framework is old and not made to work simultaneously with other code :( |
| 23:53.13 | Vladinator | I'd like to see a map revamp for next expansion tbh |
| 23:53.17 | Semlar | i came up with a way around that but it would be ludicrous to implement |
| 23:53.22 | Vladinator | it's kind of old, outdated and inconsistent atm |
| 23:53.52 | Vladinator | dark moon faire icon shows on the world map but not on the zone map -what's the logic? :P |
| 23:53.57 | Vladinator | might as well show on the zone map too but it doesn't |
| 23:54.33 | Vladinator | if they recoded map system it could be even better! more consistent, get rid of these weird object frames like for archaeology digsites... just have one system to draw stuff on the map like icons, quest areas, e.g. |
| 23:55.08 | Semlar | i don't see that happening any time soon |
| 23:55.13 | Dewin | Wow, I didn't realize libbabble was that huge. >.> |
| 23:55.16 | Vladinator | I said next expansion |
| 23:55.35 | Vladinator | comparing the map system to other mmos there is much to be done ;D |
| 23:55.50 | Vladinator | people love carbonite like map, many other games provide something like that :3 |
| 23:56.00 | Semlar | like what |
| 23:56.08 | Semlar | what games |
| 23:56.35 | Vladinator | for example gw2 map http://www.sluniverse.com/php/vb/attachments/gaming/31902d1346194645-guild-wars-2-launch-thread-map.jpg |
| 23:56.50 | Vladinator | minimap like overview you can drag around like carbonite |
| 23:57.49 | Vladinator | I guess that's the crude drawing of what people like these days -carbonite being kind of a proof :P |
| 23:58.15 | Vladinator | being able to click on the map and generate a walkable route or a flyable route if you can fly and such, it would be awesome |
| 23:58.49 | Semlar | that would be possible but a pain in the ass to implement |
| 23:58.54 | Vladinator | yeah |
| 23:58.57 | Vladinator | needs C support |
| 23:59.09 | Vladinator | talking about if blizzard updated their map and made it more, friendly to expand upon ;D |
| 23:59.29 | Vladinator | for example right now they added digsites so they just added a overlay frame that uses a special digsite like frame to add stuff on the map |
| 23:59.52 | Vladinator | adding more layers on top of the map isn't as good as rewriting and updating their framework ;D |
| 23:59.53 | Semlar | it's retarded that you can only get information about what the map is set to and that you can only have one map |
