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| 00:43.17 | Arrowmaster | oh boo, google drive counts pdfs against the storage limit |
| 00:47.55 | Mr_Rabies | okay, what does the "recursive" checkbox in ACP do, i've never been able to figure that out :x |
| 00:48.03 | foxlit | Gah. |
| 00:48.18 | foxlit | Rendering is wrong by a pixel :( |
| 00:50.11 | Gnarfoz | Mr_Rabies: if you find out, tell me, too ;D |
| 00:57.41 | nebula169 | anyone know if achievements are earned on the account itself or are still tied to toons? like if i got an achievement/mount/pet on one character then deleted it later, would I still have whatever I had earned on the rest of my toons? |
| 00:58.20 | Mr_Rabies | i was wondering that myself |
| 01:00.35 | mckenziemc | Mr_Rabies: doesn't that control automatic enabling of dependencies when you enable one addon? |
| 01:00.38 | nebula169 | Mr_Rabies Gnarfoz it auto-load addons that depend on the addon you click |
| 01:00.53 | Mr_Rabies | oh, okay |
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| 01:01.00 | Mr_Rabies | why on earth would that need to be toggled D: |
| 01:01.11 | mckenziemc | hey kd3 |
| 01:01.15 | kd3 | 'lo |
| 01:01.28 | nebula169 | i normally leave it off, but if i want to enable like all of pitbull on a toon, i turn it on, check the main addon, then turn it off again, lol |
| 01:02.14 | mckenziemc | well, if the prorgram doesn't differentiate between a manually enabled addon and an automatically enabled addon and you accidentally click on an addon that you don't want, you may have to go disable some/all of its dependencies |
| 01:02.48 | mckenziemc | and having it disabled makes it act like blizzard's addon manager |
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| 01:28.06 | Semlar | foxlit: i understand the pain of being off by a tiny margin |
| 01:32.54 | Semlar | scaling up the map textures is making their edges noticeable http://i.imgur.com/x8dlv.jpg |
| 01:33.20 | Semlar | i'm wondering if i could compensate for it, but if not it's not too bad i guess |
| 01:34.44 | Semlar | it's definitely not very high on my todo list |
| 01:44.15 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/1F1IC.jpg i might need to be more selective about how i scale the map |
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| 02:15.56 | Kraps | "Talents can no longer be removed if they are currently on cooldown." |
| 02:16.06 | Kraps | players think of everything |
| 02:16.47 | durcyn | they're still forcing multiple classes to swap in 2 piece t13 before pulls by not nerfing the old set bonuses, i figure that'll take about a month |
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| 02:25.47 | Neffi | It's great being nocturnal |
| 02:26.33 | Arrowmaster | ben browder on doctor who, awesome |
| 02:35.07 | Kraps | http://i.imgur.com/yufyI.jpg hah |
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| 02:35.51 | Shirik | you shouldn't dereference NULL |
| 02:35.53 | Neffi | Memory read errors are no laughing matter, son |
| 02:37.02 | Kraps | clicking that does it according to this thread |
| 02:37.30 | bluspacecow | lol |
| 02:37.39 | Neffi | The Master Fishing? |
| 02:38.15 | Kraps | yeah' |
| 02:38.36 | Neffi | lol linked in trade chat |
| 02:41.07 | sintAcks | what's the command/link to view api stuffs |
| 02:42.03 | Neffi | !api name |
| 02:42.04 | lua_bot | Found 80 possible matches for 'name'. Please be more specific or check Google search results: http://is.gd/O6LG29 |
| 02:42.10 | Neffi | or Wowpedia.org or Wowprogramming.com |
| 02:45.23 | Neffi | What's a good profession window updated for 5.0 that isn't convoluted and complicated? |
| 02:45.45 | kd3 | I've been using the default UI? |
| 02:45.45 | Neffi | Just big, easy to use, and can aggregate the mats required to make mats, and mats you can buy from a vendor |
| 02:45.55 | Neffi | That's especially shitty |
| 02:52.47 | bluspacecow | roll your own then :) |
| 02:53.35 | Neffi | I'm kinda tired of adding new projects to my backlog of shit to do. When day I hope to be able to focus most of my WoW time on actually playing WoW. |
| 02:55.47 | Amarande | Neffi: Skillet's been doing pretty well lately |
| 02:56.06 | Neffi | Oh wow that's still around? |
| 02:56.24 | Neffi | I remember when the author was asking for a window lib in #wowace |
| 02:56.31 | Neffi | Long time ago |
| 02:57.03 | Neffi | Anyway thanks I'll snag that |
| 03:16.06 | Neffi | Are plugins a new feature to Skillet? |
| 03:16.14 | Neffi | I see a plugins button, but no plugins on any addon sites |
| 03:22.43 | User632 | Things like AckisRecipeList. |
| 03:23.36 | Arrowmaster | so somebody posted on reddit that somebody gave them a 1952 $2 bill at work, i should take a pic of the 1929 $10 bill i have and post it |
| 03:23.43 | Arrowmaster | http://oldcurrencyvalues.com/1929__10_Bill.html |
| 03:23.56 | Arrowmaster | most people would think its counterfit |
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| 03:37.42 | znf | steals Arrowmaster's pic and posts it to reddit for karma |
| 03:38.39 | Arrowmaster | you dont have my pic yet, i just took it |
| 03:38.41 | mckenziemc | posts reddit on znf's forehead. |
| 03:38.54 | znf | waits for Arrowmaster's post and re-posts for karma whoring |
| 03:40.54 | kd3 | http://i.imgur.com/WUbbU.jpg |
| 03:41.05 | kd3 | I probably have examples of most of those within a few feet of me |
| 03:41.28 | Neffi | That picture should note that it's true by an order of magnitude |
| 03:42.00 | Neffi | Well maybe if you excluded one or two things |
| 03:42.46 | znf | I just love it when stuff like this happens http://i.imgur.com/9LqbN.png :P |
| 03:43.44 | Jamash | installs windows 2000 from floppies |
| 03:44.16 | kd3 | one of said examples is seven win3.1 5-1/4" floppies |
| 03:44.20 | kd3 | >.> |
| 03:44.49 | Jamash | kd3: where are the 8" floppies???? |
| 03:45.05 | kd3 | I'm pretty sure I don't have any of those |
| 03:45.10 | Jamash | fail! |
| 03:45.32 | Semlar | where are the laser discs |
| 03:45.42 | Jamash | did anyone ever use those for data? |
| 03:45.44 | Semlar | the greatest form of storage |
| 03:45.45 | Cairenn | I have some (8" floppies) |
| 03:45.47 | kd3 | last one of those I saw was in high school |
| 03:45.51 | kd3 | (2003) |
| 03:46.14 | kd3 | horrifyingly, it was in AP/IB chem |
| 03:46.17 | Jamash | last laserdisc I saw was... I'm not even sure |
| 03:47.09 | Jamash | late grade school? |
| 03:47.26 | kd3 | 12th grade |
| 03:47.39 | Jamash | maybe 7th grade science class? |
| 03:48.02 | Jamash | so this would be early 90s |
| 03:48.57 | mckenziemc | i disagree Jamash |
| 03:49.01 | Jamash | last 8" floppy I used would have been mid 80s |
| 03:49.09 | Jamash | well, mid to late 80s |
| 03:49.42 | Jamash | we had some hideous ibm clone with dual (!) 8" drives |
| 03:49.45 | Dagmar | You sure you're not thinking of 5.25" floppies? |
| 03:49.50 | Jamash | Yes. |
| 03:50.01 | Dagmar | Ach yeah IBM clone then |
| 03:50.06 | Dagmar | That would have been 8s |
| 03:50.28 | Dagmar | Most schools had like, Tandy's and Cocos |
| 03:50.38 | Jamash | our school had a c64 |
| 03:50.48 | Dagmar | *I* had a C64. |
| 03:50.52 | Jamash | so did I! |
| 03:50.54 | Jamash | I still do! |
| 03:50.58 | Dagmar | Our school was too hillbilly for that. they had TRS-80's |
| 03:51.00 | Jamash | I can see the monitor from here! |
| 03:51.17 | Jamash | actually I'm not sure I still have the 64, but I definitely have the monitor |
| 03:51.21 | Jamash | I'm not sure why |
| 03:51.29 | Dagmar | It's a good composite video display? |
| 03:51.45 | Jamash | oh yeah, to plug the NES into |
| 03:52.06 | Jamash | to play final fantasy on |
| 03:52.18 | Jamash | old schooooooooooooool |
| 03:52.33 | Jamash | vertical hold, bitches |
| 03:52.45 | Jamash | is old now |
| 03:52.54 | Jamash | right now |
| 03:52.56 | Jamash | it just happened |
| 03:53.22 | acethebunny | WTS D3 CE |
| 03:53.32 | kd3 | vhold? ugh |
| 03:53.41 | kd3 | that's a term I had cared to not remember |
| 03:53.44 | Jamash | ha, you are also old |
| 03:55.44 | Jamash | other things you didn't want to remember: the sound of a 14.4 modem failing to sync and the sound of a 1541 failing to read a sector |
| 03:56.07 | Jamash | BUT BUT BUT GRRRRRRRRRRNG |
| 03:56.20 | kd3 | the former I remember, the latter, not so much. how bout an analogous failure - the click of death |
| 03:56.28 | Jamash | never did zip drives, fortunately |
| 03:56.34 | Jamash | my dad had a jaz drive |
| 03:56.36 | kd3 | hell, I have my old zip drive too, now that I think about it |
| 03:56.43 | kd3 | winces |
| 03:57.12 | Jamash | magnetic media that dust can get into, such a good idea |
| 03:57.23 | Jamash | even with the plastic cases they just didn't last |
| 03:59.09 | Amarande | hmmmm, while we're talking of electronics |
| 03:59.19 | Amarande | if you plan on buying any locally in the near future, you might want to do it before Friday |
| 03:59.38 | Jamash | don't you mean non-locally? |
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| 04:00.23 | Amarande | nah, because I'm sure online orders like newegg won't be affected too much by this heh |
| 04:00.41 | Amarande | I'm more thinking that it's going to suck to buy anything in a local Radio Shack or Best Buy or the like next Friday |
| 04:00.48 | Jamash | so, not california putting in internet sales tax? |
| 04:00.58 | Grivvel | Does anyone know of an AddOn/Library where I can enter a list of world coordinates and either 1) Construct a path between them all and lead me on it or 2) Just lead me from one to the next in a given order (if I do traveloing salesman myself)? |
| 04:00.58 | Amarande | Jamash: no, the iPhone 5 coming out and the resultant store lines for it |
| 04:01.05 | pompy | lols.. |
| 04:01.10 | Jamash | I have a feature phone |
| 04:01.14 | Jamash | screw apple |
| 04:01.17 | kd3 | Grivvel, routes |
| 04:01.21 | Amarande | it's painful enough when you get stuck in line behind one person who wants to get a new contract cell phone. it'll be "fun" indeed to be stuck behind 10 or 20 or 50 of them. :P |
| 04:02.41 | Amarande | seeing as it takes like 20-25 minutes per customer to get through all the paperwork etc. |
| 04:03.12 | Grivvel | kd3: Thanks! |
| 04:03.17 | Amarande | I still remember the last time I got stuck behind someone buying a cell phone at Radio Shack. I had gone over there on my 30 minute lunch at work expecting to grab what I needed and get out, already knowing what I was going to get, and yet almost failed to get back to work on time :P |
| 04:03.43 | Jamash | they should set up a dedicated register for non-phone transactions |
| 04:03.49 | Amarande | Jamash: feature phone? you mean one of those old ones that aren't smartphones? :S |
| 04:03.55 | Jamash | Amarande: yes |
| 04:04.01 | Jamash | I think it's short for fixed-feature |
| 04:04.06 | Amarande | I need to get a new Android soonish, but I've still got a few more weeks before I'm eligible for an upgrade |
| 04:04.15 | Dagmar | The feature being that you're not forced to pay an extra $40/month for the privledge of using it |
| 04:04.26 | Jamash | ^ |
| 04:04.48 | Jamash | I have a laptop |
| 04:05.18 | Dagmar | No they call it a feature phone because it's got some features beyond just calling |
| 04:05.30 | Jamash | ah |
| 04:05.34 | Dagmar | ...which generally means "stupid camera phone" |
| 04:05.35 | Jamash | so, all phones that aren't smartphones |
| 04:05.51 | Neffi | $10 Feature Phone - don't just call, text too! |
| 04:05.53 | Jamash | I don't think you can get a phone that does nothing but make calls anymore |
| 04:06.03 | Neffi | It's called a land line |
| 04:06.09 | Dagmar | Yeah and I'm very sure now there's pretty much no way to use a smartphone on any major carrier in the US without being forced to take a data plan |
| 04:06.17 | Dagmar | The only options are the prepaid companies |
| 04:06.19 | Neffi | Wait even most of those have this fancy Feature that lets them record messages if you miss a call |
| 04:06.27 | Amarande | Dagmar: even if you could do so, you wouldn't want to |
| 04:06.32 | Dagmar | Neffi: That's the carrier's network doing that |
| 04:06.35 | Amarande | imagine having to pay a la carte prices for all the data you use? |
| 04:06.39 | Dagmar | Amarande: No, I want to |
| 04:06.51 | Dagmar | I buy phones that do wifi for a reason |
| 04:06.53 | Amarande | we're talking companies that do lovely things like charge you 45 cents a minute if you have a metered minute plan and go over |
| 04:07.07 | Neffi | Amarande: There's good evidence that we're moving closer and closer to just that model of data consumption |
| 04:07.15 | Neffi | Companies realized they could charge out the ass for data |
| 04:07.18 | Dagmar | If Sprint weren't the _last_ company promising "unlimited" data plans, I would have kicked them to the curb and gone with Boost Mobile |
| 04:07.29 | Dagmar | 4G is fucking unreliable |
| 04:07.59 | Kraps | worgen leveling is similar to night elves after the start zone? |
| 04:08.02 | Dagmar | They even introduce extra bottlenecks in the form of transparent proxies that attempt to reduce image size to save bandwidth |
| 04:08.06 | Neffi | I don't know where you live, but I'm in NYC, which is pretty fucking well above average for cell reception, and you still need to go with one of the Big Three to get good reception. Boost and MetroPOS are nightmares. |
| 04:08.11 | Dagmar | ...which are prone to being heavily overloaded |
| 04:08.28 | Dagmar | Boost is using the same equipment as Verizon IIRC |
| 04:08.35 | Dagmar | Same towers and everything |
| 04:08.44 | Jamash | I'm on credo which uses sprint infrastructure |
| 04:09.02 | Jamash | and also supports progressive charities and political causes, which is nice |
| 04:09.02 | Amarande | Kraps: you mean if you manage to get out of the start zone, which atm seems to involve a hell of a lot of patience or breaking down and asking a GM? |
| 04:09.13 | Jamash | Amarande: I think they hotfixed that |
| 04:09.17 | Neffi | And MetroPCS is using the same network as Sprint, but it still gets subpar reception. The budget phone companies artificially limit reception, and even seem to do some form of QOS to prefer Sprint/Verizon bandwidth over the budget alternative |
| 04:09.23 | Neffi | At least here in NYC |
| 04:09.25 | Kraps | what was broken |
| 04:09.33 | Jamash | gilneas quests |
| 04:09.53 | Kraps | i'm out of there already |
| 04:09.56 | Kraps | finally |
| 04:10.06 | Kraps | imma go to westfall |
| 04:10.07 | Arrowmaster | http://redd.it/zyhyl |
| 04:10.09 | Neffi | Low level questing is a lot less linear now |
| 04:10.25 | Neffi | You're not really encouraged to follow your race's quests past the start zone |
| 04:10.28 | Arrowmaster | my $10 national bank note |
| 04:10.30 | Jamash | yeah well my level 20 alts can use my mechanohog now |
| 04:10.47 | Jamash | so traveling around is a lot easier than it used to be |
| 04:11.05 | Neffi | Yeah I'm really happy I don't have to do the Winterspring Frostsaber quest yet again |
| 04:11.29 | Jamash | account mounts are the best new feature in mop |
| 04:11.38 | Jamash | forget pandas, the new continent, scenarios |
| 04:12.00 | Amarande | speaking of account mounts, can you use your nice looking flying mounts as soon as you get basic flying, or do you still need to learn 280 to use them? |
| 04:12.01 | Jamash | I'm exaggerating *slightly* |
| 04:12.03 | Dagmar | wtf man |
| 04:12.07 | Dagmar | I wouldn't take those out of poly bags |
| 04:12.16 | Jamash | Amarande: all mounts scale now |
| 04:12.18 | Neffi | I'm still hopeful that CRZ will help with world PvP in some way. But yeah I'm liking the BoA mounts much more than any other feature. |
| 04:12.24 | Dagmar | THey're bills that are actually _worth something_ |
| 04:12.38 | Jamash | you can use any flying mount with expert and any land mount with beginner |
| 04:12.40 | Neffi | Amarande: Mount page shows all mounts, even at level 1. They're just greyed out until level 20. |
| 04:12.45 | Dagmar | You're not kidding about hte counterfieting tho |
| 04:13.05 | Amarande | Neffi: we'll find that out when they manage to work the bugs out of CRZ |
| 04:13.05 | Dagmar | I've had to play "scary ominious customer" over some two dollar bills before |
| 04:13.07 | Neffi | In fact at level 20 you can mount up on your epic flyers. You're just limited to 60% land. |
| 04:13.16 | Jamash | ^ |
| 04:13.18 | Neffi | (Just tested) |
| 04:13.21 | Amarande | atm, the best way to experience CRZ is to not cross zone boundaries if you can help it :S |
| 04:14.31 | Dagmar | I had to be very, very clear that the cashier should just get their manager, and HOPE their manager was smart enough to know that two dollar bills existed |
| 04:14.40 | nilyaK | ofc they exist :X |
| 04:14.52 | Dagmar | ...because if I had to talk to a copy about it, I was going to name her and her manager both personally in the lawsuit. |
| 04:14.58 | Jamash | WOWPEDIA IS DOWN |
| 04:14.59 | Dagmar | s/copy/cop/ |
| 04:15.06 | kd3 | not my fault |
| 04:15.12 | Shirik | it's always kd3's fault |
| 04:15.14 | Dagmar | I blame PHP |
| 04:15.56 | Shirik | Dagmar: Wouldn't surprise me |
| 04:16.02 | Shirik | honestly, I would blame OSS more than I blame PHP |
| 04:16.07 | Shirik | attack the root |
| 04:16.16 | Neffi | OSS? |
| 04:16.20 | Shirik | open source software |
| 04:16.20 | Dagmar | o.O |
| 04:16.30 | kd3 | blame the open sound system? sure |
| 04:16.31 | Jamash | WOWPEDIA IS UP |
| 04:16.33 | Neffi | damn you then |
| 04:16.38 | kd3 | not my fault |
| 04:16.38 | Amarande | blame the Office of Strategic Services? |
| 04:16.51 | Shirik | FU guys wikipedia says I'm right http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-source_software |
| 04:16.51 | Neffi | I was gonna say Open Sound System is not all that bad since 4.x, but then I realized you were being even more offensive to my ideals |
| 04:17.11 | Shirik | A report by the Standish Group states that adoption of open-source software models has resulted in savings of about $60 billion per year to consumers.[2][3] |
| 04:17.21 | kd3 | meh, 14-hour day at work makes kd3 something-something |
| 04:17.28 | kd3 | crashes before he decides to consume more alcohol |
| 04:17.29 | Shirik | A report by Shirik states that adoption of open-source software models has caused damages of about $120 billion per year to consumers. |
| 04:17.51 | Neffi | Shirik: 90% of everything is shit. It just so happens that OSS software is easier to succeed because of little financial investment, so you see a larger chunk of that 90%. |
| 04:17.54 | starlon | complains about people roleplaying on a non-rp server. >.< |
| 04:17.58 | Neffi | The 10% is still just as good, OSS or not |
| 04:18.02 | Jamash | cross realm RP! |
| 04:18.04 | Shirik | depends on how you define succeed |
| 04:18.09 | Jamash | oh wait it's not supposed to cross the streams |
| 04:18.11 | Dagmar | I dunno. |
| 04:18.15 | starlon | slays Jamash with fire. |
| 04:18.22 | Dagmar | The majority of the commercial software I've seen lately was all shit |
| 04:18.26 | Jamash | reverses starlon's polarity |
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| 04:18.30 | starlon | :/ |
| 04:18.33 | Dagmar | At least you can *fix* broken and retarded OSS programs |
| 04:18.36 | Shirik | if you define succeed as "release a product" then yes |
| 04:18.37 | Jamash | Dagmar: liek world of warcraft amirite ohohohohoho |
| 04:18.42 | Neffi | With OSS succeed can mean having it available in a repository or Github. |
| 04:18.42 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: those silver certs and $2 bills i have arent worth much over face value, not worth putting them in anything |
| 04:18.51 | Shirik | but like |
| 04:18.59 | Arrowmaster | at least i doubt they are, i have so many of them |
| 04:19.04 | Dagmar | Jamash: No, like BT's DiamondIP and Computer Associates Spectrum and Buisness Objects Integration |
| 04:19.11 | Neffi | Either way you want to slice this I still contend that OSS software is not inherently any worse or better because it's OSS. |
| 04:19.13 | Arrowmaster | if they were worth anything i probably wouldnt have that many |
| 04:19.13 | Dagmar | Oh, also Infoblox |
| 04:19.15 | Shirik | Without doing research, I would probably put money on the fact that over 99% of open source software is just hack and slash without any form of unit testing, no design, no nothing |
| 04:19.16 | Neffi | I don't see how you assume that |
| 04:19.20 | Jamash | Dagmar: I didn't know; I'm so, so sorry |
| 04:19.39 | Dagmar | Jamash: You have experience with these steaming piles of crap? |
| 04:19.40 | Neffi | Software is good or bad. Licensing is moot. |
| 04:19.48 | Jamash | Shirik: as opposed to 99.5% for proprietary software? |
| 04:19.53 | Shirik | Licensing isn't the part that matters Neffi |
| 04:20.07 | Shirik | it's that just this culture of open source breeds such poor software process |
| 04:20.09 | Dagmar | Honesly we could probably start a support group for the victims |
| 04:20.15 | Neffi | And on the contrary I propose that most non-OSS software is equally bad. They just have the financial backing to throw money at masking the problems. |
| 04:20.29 | Jamash | Dagmar: no, but the buzzwords told me all I really needed to know |
| 04:20.34 | Dagmar | Shirik: Honestly man, you should try out Spectrum |
| 04:20.47 | Dagmar | You haven't seen bad process yet |
| 04:20.53 | Neffi | When you've got developers doing OSS because they hate "proritaryu M$ winblowz", yeah you get shit software. |
| 04:20.56 | Jamash | ~wiki Sturgeon's Law |
| 04:21.07 | Dagmar | This is a program which ships a _non-threaded_ MySql build |
| 04:21.12 | Neffi | People are idiots. That's a simple fact. |
| 04:21.22 | Dagmar | Oh they also hard-code the root mysql password as "root" |
| 04:21.24 | Neffi | Doesn't disgrace everything that's OSS |
| 04:21.31 | Shirik | Dagmar: Sounds pretty pro |
| 04:21.38 | Jamash | 90% of OSS is crud, 90% of proprietary software is crud, because 90% of *everything* is crud |
| 04:21.51 | Neffi | Aye |
| 04:22.04 | Neffi | But honestly Sturgeon was an optimist. It's way more than 90%. |
| 04:22.23 | Neffi | With non-OSS, the difference is made up in how quickly it fails to accrue the money to even release. |
| 04:22.23 | Jamash | it's really a tautological statement |
| 04:22.36 | Dagmar | Shirik: It took them a _year_ to address that their installation ISO was broken because some idjit made it with _symlinks_ in the filesystem |
| 04:22.48 | Neffi | Dungeon queue. Done with this convo. |
| 04:22.55 | Jamash | rephrased as statistical jargon, 90% of all items are below the 90th quality percentile |
| 04:23.21 | Neffi | foxlit: God-dammit with your default bindings. I can't cast Freeze now. |
| 04:23.21 | Dagmar | OSS gets fixed, even if it's haphazard and chaotic |
| 04:23.25 | Neffi | foxlit: And in mid-dungeon |
| 04:23.37 | Neffi | (Just downloaded OPie) |
| 04:23.49 | Dagmar | I had to teach CA's supposedly Linux support people what a fucking symlink was |
| 04:23.53 | Jamash | opie keeps tainting my UI |
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| 04:26.53 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/YxL4W.jpg |
| 04:26.56 | znf | "vengeance is fine" |
| 04:27.34 | Dagmar | Where can I buy that buff in a convenient drinkable form |
| 04:28.00 | Jamash | znf: wut |
| 04:28.02 | Jamash | how |
| 04:28.03 | znf | solo boss - have someone summon you in a raid |
| 04:28.12 | znf | Jamash, soling Bloodlord Mandokir |
| 04:28.15 | znf | soloing |
| 04:28.35 | Jamash | I mean how do you get vengeance to go OVER NINE HUNDRED THOUSAND |
| 04:28.42 | znf | decapitate? |
| 04:29.01 | znf | it does like 5 mil damage |
| 04:29.03 | Dagmar | I think that much attack power could probably decapitate things, yes |
| 04:29.13 | Jamash | this is a thing about not having a cap of your actual HP, is it |
| 04:29.14 | Dagmar | Like, all the statues on Easter Island, at once |
| 04:29.20 | Amarande | heh, can you get it to the point where you actually risk healing instead of harming things? |
| 04:29.27 | znf | http://www.wowhead.com/spell=96684 |
| 04:30.04 | Amarande | I remember people running into things with like Diablo 2 mods where if you got your damage figures high enough it started overflowing and healing mobs instead of killing them |
| 04:30.10 | Dagmar | I suppose they won't let mages steal that |
| 04:31.01 | znf | that happens on android games when you use Cheat Engine to modify attack powers :P |
| 04:31.15 | znf | or, well, GameCIH |
| 04:31.56 | Amarande | znf: I think at least one Final Fantasy game had a bug with it too |
| 04:32.12 | Amarande | VII, I think, if you ground some of the ultimate weapons/limits too long (way too long) |
| 04:32.28 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: Easter Island status have bodies |
| 04:32.42 | Arrowmaster | s/status/statues/ |
| 04:32.50 | Amarande | Dagmar: kind of reminds me of Delayed Blast Fireball abuse in the Gold Box games in the days of yore :) |
| 04:32.53 | Dagmar | Yes, this is why you can decapitate them |
| 04:33.16 | Dagmar | It would be problematic if they were just stone heads |
| 04:33.39 | Amarande | It's fun to be a level 40 mage in Pools of Darkness, you do 70-280 AoE damage with your DBF, and by the time you hit level 31, you no longer need concern yourself with percentage magic resistance either, only fire immunity/resistance |
| 05:08.33 | Neffi | Wow, OPie is really wonderful |
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| 05:16.53 | Ressy | Its gonna be better with Spade. A plugin specifically for Sunsong Ranch farming |
| 05:23.40 | Neffi | Ressy: Since you seem to use it, how the hell do I bind custom rings? |
| 05:24.53 | Dagmar | Wait... what? |
| 05:24.58 | Dagmar | Why would you farm that? |
| 05:25.54 | Dagmar | Oh... I see |
| 05:26.08 | Dagmar | Take that, ZYnga |
| 05:26.24 | acethebunny | i've been in a healer call to arms queue for 3 minutes |
| 05:26.39 | Neffi | Nvm, I somehow didn't save the custom ring |
| 05:34.03 | Jamash | farmington? |
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| 05:37.54 | Dagmar | World of Farmcraft. :) |
| 05:45.03 | Jamash | pokefarmcraftworldofwar? |
| 05:45.30 | Jamash | world of facebookcraft? |
| 05:45.58 | Jamash | my friends find it irritating that I'm excited for pokewow but have no interest in actual pokemon games |
| 05:46.21 | Jamash | my basic reasoning is I like my wow pets |
| 05:46.28 | Jamash | I don't care about pokemans |
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| 05:48.02 | karl_w_w | world of warfarmdailybossfacebookforumcraft |
| 05:48.14 | Thunder_Child | ~lart karl_w_w |
| 05:48.14 | purl | does a little 'renice 20 -u karl_w_w' |
| 05:48.30 | karl_w_w | <3 |
| 05:49.25 | karl_w_w | and i forgot the poke |
| 05:49.28 | Neffi | Would I need to make a plugin for OPie to do the following: Create a ring filled with any item which is both a quest item and usable? |
| 05:49.37 | Neffi | Eg basically a set rings for all quest items |
| 05:51.23 | karl_w_w | mmm pie |
| 05:53.58 | karl_w_w | is tb bugged to always be alliance controlled or is it just a coincidence? |
| 05:54.51 | Semlar | well i just managed to fatally crash the game with my addon |
| 05:55.01 | Semlar | that's nice |
| 05:55.12 | karl_w_w | fatality |
| 05:55.18 | Semlar | TKO |
| 05:55.43 | Semlar | it really gives me a sense of accomplishment.. |
| 06:00.17 | Dagmar | That pro |
| 06:00.23 | Dagmar | er That's pro. |
| 06:01.00 | Semlar | attempt to concatenate global 'UIDROPDOWNMENU_MENU_LEVEL' (a userdata value) |
| 06:03.03 | Semlar | :[ |
| 06:05.24 | Neffi | Semlar: /console taintlog 0 |
| 06:05.28 | Neffi | It's a bug in the taintlog |
| 06:05.42 | Semlar | it's not my addon? |
| 06:05.44 | Neffi | No |
| 06:05.54 | Neffi | Taint log for some reason is pushing a userdata value into the variable. |
| 06:06.13 | Semlar | okay that's good because i could not for the life of me figure out how my addon could be doing this |
| 06:06.22 | Neffi | I had the same thing happen with Mapster. Poured over all of Mapster's and FrameXML's code (with all other addons disabled) and couldn't find that var ever being set to anything invalid. |
| 06:06.33 | Neffi | Then somebody in here told me it's a taintlog bug, and setting taintlog to 0 fixed it for me |
| 06:06.35 | Semlar | i've been stripping it down trying to figure out what was causing it |
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| 06:07.02 | Semlar | i was just assuming reparenting the WorldMapFrame was doing it |
| 06:07.26 | Semlar | it has something to do with the dropdown menu it's using for the map level |
| 06:07.55 | Neffi | But no code in FrameXML will ever accidentally set that value to a userdata type |
| 06:08.14 | Neffi | I literally loaded everything in FrameXML into NP++ and searched for everything that uses that var. |
| 06:10.31 | Semlar | it still must be something my addon is doing though right even if it's a bug with the taint log |
| 06:10.49 | Semlar | it only happens when my addon is active |
| 06:12.12 | Neffi | No idea really |
| 06:12.25 | Neffi | It doesn't necessarily mean your addon is doing anything wrong |
| 06:12.45 | Neffi | It's probably that *anything* using UIDropdownMEnu automatically taints it |
| 06:13.03 | Neffi | The taintlog scans that taint, and because of a bug accidentally sets a new value to the tainted variable |
| 06:13.13 | Semlar | hmm |
| 06:14.16 | Semlar | i don't even particularly want the dropdown menus for what i'm doing with this |
| 06:14.25 | Semlar | that's annoying |
| 06:15.04 | Semlar | i think when the ClearAll function is being called that's when it breaks |
| 06:16.01 | Neffi | As soon as you invoke a new dropdown menu, taint is introduced because that global is changed |
| 06:16.05 | Neffi | That's unavoidable |
| 06:16.15 | Dagmar | Pre-create all possible menus |
| 06:16.21 | Semlar | i'm not making a menu |
| 06:16.46 | Semlar | literally all i'm doing is reparenting the world map frame which has its own menus to my frame and apparently that's enough to break it |
| 06:17.13 | Neffi | Well it's already broken. This is a C-side bug in 5.0. |
| 06:17.17 | Neffi | You're not breaking it |
| 06:17.39 | Semlar | stupid taintlog |
| 06:17.44 | Neffi | Whether or not reparenting the frame is going to introduce taint, that's another matter. Consider not doing that in the first place. |
| 06:18.11 | Semlar | if i can avoid it i will |
| 06:18.12 | Neffi | Best to avoid changing the default UI unless you know it won't taint |
| 06:18.37 | Semlar | weeeeell what i'm doing isn't probably considered good practice |
| 06:18.43 | Neffi | I mean I don't think just reparenting would, but then again taint has proven to be unusual and tricky |
| 06:19.02 | Neffi | What are you doing? |
| 06:19.44 | Semlar | well people were saying i should provide a method for my map to easily support other addons |
| 06:20.02 | Semlar | so rather than do that i'm just using the actual map |
| 06:20.15 | Neffi | Consider not changing the default map, but changing your code |
| 06:20.32 | Neffi | Create an overlay the same size as WorldMapFrame's actual map region that can lay on top of it |
| 06:20.37 | Neffi | Or in place of it |
| 06:20.40 | Semlar | nah, can't do that |
| 06:20.43 | Neffi | why not? |
| 06:21.00 | Semlar | the way i'm making the map basically requires me using the real map |
| 06:21.19 | Semlar | or at least part of it |
| 06:21.27 | Neffi | There's always another way |
| 06:21.48 | Neffi | shit, afk |
| 06:22.08 | Semlar | technically i only need a few of the frames out of it |
| 06:22.16 | Semlar | i really don't want all the ui elements |
| 06:26.57 | Semlar | so basically i can either try and intercept every addon adding something to the world map or just use the actual world map itself |
| 06:36.23 | Neffi | I suggest you not rip things out of the default UI like that |
| 06:36.38 | Neffi | Either re-integrate them. Or use some logic to copy what it's doing. |
| 06:36.54 | Neffi | Then provide an API so your addon can be hooked into |
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| 06:40.50 | Semlar | not even a little a ripping? |
| 06:41.02 | Semlar | just a little? |
| 06:42.47 | Neffi | >_> |
| 06:42.59 | Neffi | Principle of least surprise |
| 06:43.01 | Semlar | :( |
| 06:43.06 | Neffi | Users don't expect you to break the default UI |
| 06:43.15 | Semlar | yeah they'll never see this coming |
| 06:43.15 | Neffi | Altering it in any way does that by definition. |
| 06:43.28 | Neffi | When another addon is loaded to use some part of the map, something just won't work |
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| 06:52.36 | starlon | turns up the volume on bluipodcow. |
| 06:53.06 | bluipodcow | Lol |
| 07:00.06 | Neffi | Being camped by a player named Gankinggumby. Fucking priceless. |
| 07:00.08 | Neffi | >_> |
| 07:00.59 | zenzelezz | at least he's honest |
| 07:02.41 | Neffi | He's geared to shit too |
| 07:02.59 | Neffi | There goes killing him on my druid |
| 07:06.09 | karl_w_w | L2skill |
| 07:09.15 | Neffi | =( |
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| 07:09.53 | Semlar | herro |
| 07:10.58 | Semlar | apparently if you drag the map around and let it go quickly the little quest blobs show up in the wrong spots |
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| 07:12.34 | Semlar | NEFFI why did you break irc |
| 07:12.53 | Neffi | Semlar: I couldn't resist |
| 07:12.58 | Semlar | you monster |
| 07:13.23 | Neffi | I resent that |
| 07:13.35 | Neffi | I may not be a good human being, but I'm no monster. Monsters are ugly. |
| 07:13.38 | Semlar | i meant that in the most endearing way |
| 07:14.07 | karl_w_w | if i was a rich girl, nanananananananananananananana |
| 07:14.58 | Neffi | If I were a rich girl I might get into reverse prostitution |
| 07:15.16 | Semlar | now when you say i shouldn't break the interface it's still cool if i replace a bunch of world map functions with my own right |
| 07:15.17 | Neffi | Find guys that could use a fuck and pay them for it |
| 07:15.27 | Neffi | Semlar: Oh god no |
| 07:15.31 | Semlar | too late |
| 07:15.40 | Neffi | Taint. Taint errwhere. |
| 07:15.42 | Semlar | what's done is done |
| 07:16.05 | Semlar | we can't change the past, but we can all look forward to a better future |
| 07:16.09 | karl_w_w | what possible reason would you have to do that |
| 07:16.14 | Neffi | A future that involves fixing the past |
| 07:16.17 | Semlar | i don't understand the question |
| 07:16.53 | Neffi | karl_w_w: Some men just want to watch the world burn |
| 07:17.06 | Semlar | the Show Objectives checkbox is surprisingly persistant |
| 07:17.26 | karl_w_w | Neffi: most of them work in the australian liberal party though |
| 07:17.30 | Semlar | WorldMapQuestShowObjectives.Show = function() end |
| 07:17.38 | Semlar | problem. solved. forever. |
| 07:17.57 | Neffi | Semlar: hooksecurefunc(WorldMapWhatever,'Show',WorldMapWhatever.Hide) |
| 07:18.04 | Neffi | Problem solved w/o taint |
| 07:18.21 | Semlar | is there really anything the map does that's secure |
| 07:18.27 | Semlar | well, requires it to be secure |
| 07:18.27 | Neffi | make sure to also :SetScript('OnHide',nil) so it doesnt try to reshow and cause a stack overflow |
| 07:18.37 | karl_w_w | why take the risk? |
| 07:18.39 | Neffi | But other things touch the map in the UI |
| 07:18.45 | Neffi | And as soon as they do, they become tainted |
| 07:18.47 | Semlar | i'm livin on the edge |
| 07:18.48 | Neffi | Taint spreads like a virus |
| 07:19.07 | Semlar | QUESTION |
| 07:19.09 | karl_w_w | taint spread like a Fisker* |
| 07:19.15 | Semlar | if i name my frame WorldMapButton |
| 07:19.25 | Semlar | what happens to the other one |
| 07:19.43 | karl_w_w | it shoots your grandmother |
| 07:20.26 | karl_w_w | on the subject of grandmothers, I'm going to watch some sabrina |
| 07:20.37 | karl_w_w | i dont know how there's a link there, just go with it |
| 07:20.51 | Semlar | talking cat |
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| 07:21.30 | Neffi | your WorldMapButton overrides the global, and everything in the UI that touches that global taints |
| 07:21.33 | Neffi | Think megavirus |
| 07:21.36 | Neffi | Like plague status |
| 07:21.39 | Neffi | Use a damn namespace |
| 07:21.58 | Fisker | i'm sneezing karl_w_w |
| 07:22.04 | Semlar | what if i make it a secure frame |
| 07:22.22 | Semlar | would it still taint everything? |
| 07:22.26 | Neffi | yes |
| 07:22.31 | Neffi | I think |
| 07:22.33 | Neffi | Maybe |
| 07:22.36 | Neffi | Or maybe not |
| 07:22.38 | Neffi | Just dont do it |
| 07:23.08 | Semlar | but i want to do it! |
| 07:24.35 | Jamash | ~tainted |
| 07:24.35 | purl | SUBMIT YOURSELF TO THE TAINT! |
| 07:24.50 | Jamash | ~botsnack |
| 07:24.50 | purl | Jamash: aw, gee |
| 07:25.47 | Jamash | what if you just copied the entire blizzard UI into a new namespace and hid the old one |
| 07:26.02 | Jamash | WHAT THEN |
| 07:26.27 | Semlar | alright new plan, i just hook setpoint in the frame meta table |
| 07:26.51 | Jamash | boom |
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| 07:27.06 | Jamash | why doesn't page up and page down work in adiirc? |
| 07:27.32 | Semlar | then when anything tries to attach itself to the world frame BAM |
| 07:27.43 | Jamash | pow, right in the kisser? |
| 07:27.46 | randomDude | Jamash: isn't it obvious? |
| 07:27.50 | Semlar | RIGHT IN THE KISSER |
| 07:27.53 | Jamash | randomDude: no |
| 07:28.16 | Semlar | okay well my entire addon is ruined because neffi doesn't want me to taint the entire interface |
| 07:28.39 | Jamash | what's your addon do? |
| 07:28.46 | Semlar | ruin everything apparently |
| 07:28.50 | Jamash | no srsly |
| 07:28.54 | Neffi | >_> |
| 07:28.55 | randomDude | sounds great |
| 07:29.09 | Jamash | what is its *intended function* |
| 07:29.35 | Neffi | You can achieve everything through secure hooks |
| 07:29.45 | Semlar | well it's a map and instead of requiring people to modify their addons to make it work with mine i was just going to take the entire world map frame, strip off all of the interface stuff and stick it inside my own map |
| 07:30.46 | Semlar | it was a BRILLIANT plan and then neffi decided to rain on my parade |
| 07:30.53 | Neffi | Like I said before, just stick your map inside the WorldMapFrame |
| 07:31.00 | Semlar | NO |
| 07:31.07 | Neffi | >_> |
| 07:31.07 | Semlar | it has to go inside mine! |
| 07:31.13 | Jamash | that's |
| 07:31.15 | Jamash | what |
| 07:31.17 | randomDude | awesome |
| 07:31.19 | Jamash | semlar |
| 07:31.20 | Jamash | said |
| 07:31.21 | Neffi | This is an issue with sexual identity |
| 07:31.22 | bluipodcow | Kinky |
| 07:31.31 | Semlar | wait |
| 07:31.39 | Semlar | can i set it as a scroll child without actually reparenting it |
| 07:31.47 | Neffi | no |
| 07:31.53 | Neffi | That reparents it |
| 07:31.55 | Semlar | WHY DO YOU HAVE TO RUIN EVERYTHING |
| 07:32.06 | Jamash | happiness is mandatory, citizen |
| 07:32.14 | Neffi | That's why the demons put me on earth |
| 07:32.23 | randomDude | oh ok |
| 07:33.44 | randomDude | btw Jamash, just assume patent infringement |
| 07:34.10 | Neffi | Patent infringement is a constant |
| 07:34.12 | Jamash | randomDude: are you fisker in disguise |
| 07:34.21 | Neffi | You can't really wake up without infringing a patent |
| 07:34.53 | Jamash | method and apparatus for enabling circadian activity in bipedal mammals |
| 07:34.59 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/OaMzw.jpg i was going to take that map and just put it where the overlays are for it |
| 07:35.02 | randomDude | Jamash: if i were fisker, i'd have to be in denmark |
| 07:35.32 | Jamash | what if you *are* in denmark |
| 07:36.14 | Jamash | Semlar: so you're trying to replace the zoomed out world map with the zoomed in zone maps stitched together? |
| 07:36.34 | Semlar | well i already did all that i just wanted to use the real world map for the zone you were focused on |
| 07:36.42 | Semlar | so it would act like the normal map |
| 07:36.45 | Jamash | I see, makes sense |
| 07:36.57 | Jamash | can you superimpose just the POI frame? |
| 07:37.40 | Semlar | the in-game pois i can get, but the icons that addons add could attach to any frame |
| 07:37.48 | Jamash | ahh |
| 07:37.51 | Neffi | You should be able to just pull off the "top layer" when you need it, then put it back when you dont |
| 07:37.51 | Semlar | i know handynotes is anchoring to WorldMapButton |
| 07:38.12 | Jamash | worldmapbutton is what now? |
| 07:38.31 | Semlar | it's the part of the map frame you actually click and does stuff |
| 07:38.35 | Jamash | the big transparent button over the whole map? |
| 07:38.36 | Jamash | ah |
| 07:38.49 | Semlar | i think it's under the poi frame |
| 07:38.51 | Jamash | and you can't rip that off without causing taint? |
| 07:39.08 | Semlar | apparently i can't reparent the frames to my scrollframe without tainting them |
| 07:39.14 | Jamash | that bites |
| 07:39.20 | Semlar | i could probably put it on top of it but it wouldn't be trimmed |
| 07:39.37 | Neffi | Reparenting alone may not cause taint |
| 07:39.46 | Jamash | what does cause taint anyway |
| 07:39.47 | Neffi | Invasively destroying the original map would |
| 07:39.50 | Jamash | or rather what doesn't |
| 07:40.21 | Semlar | the original map is not going to be very usable while my addon is active |
| 07:40.56 | Semlar | i didn't figure that would be much of a problem |
| 07:45.04 | Semlar | if i make this a secure frame i'm not going to be able to move it in combat or anything will i |
| 07:45.21 | randomDude | why would anyone want to move a map during combat? |
| 07:45.25 | Jamash | is there a good sample addon that uses (and explains) all the various secure stuff? |
| 07:45.42 | Semlar | i don't know, maybe the map is in the way and they want to move it |
| 07:45.43 | Jamash | you can drag secure frames in combat, you just can't move them otherwise |
| 07:45.52 | Semlar | oh okay |
| 07:45.53 | randomDude | i would never move a map during comabt |
| 07:45.57 | Semlar | i wasn't sure if you could drag them |
| 07:46.00 | Jamash | you can't, say, move a unit based on whether you have a buff or not |
| 07:46.01 | randomDude | people might think i'm cheating |
| 07:46.04 | Jamash | but dragging is OK |
| 07:47.12 | Semlar | well |
| 07:47.38 | Semlar | actually, the child frame is going to have to be able to move by itself |
| 07:47.46 | Jamash | can't do that in combat |
| 07:47.54 | Jamash | well, if it's a secure frame |
| 07:47.55 | Semlar | although i guess i could redo that code |
| 07:47.57 | Jamash | is it? |
| 07:48.07 | Semlar | it'll have to be secure too |
| 07:48.26 | Jamash | I think you can have a secure frame autohide itself in combat |
| 07:48.27 | Semlar | i want the map to be able to stay centered on you while you move around |
| 07:48.38 | Jamash | so it can revert to dumb map functionality |
| 07:49.03 | Jamash | moving around based on player position, don't think so |
| 07:50.34 | Semlar | i think i'll try and make it work the way it is now and then if that causes problems i'll replace the real map with a fake one |
| 07:51.37 | Semlar | although prepping the map to look right for this is a huge pain in the ass |
| 07:51.52 | Semlar | so maybe i'll just not bother with using the world map |
| 07:52.32 | Semlar | it has a bunch of functions that resize it and show quest objectives and all kinds of stuff like that based on certain conditions |
| 07:52.48 | Neffi | Just making your frame secure doesn't mitigate the taint of changing things |
| 07:52.54 | Neffi | Taint happens when you change variables |
| 07:53.02 | Semlar | well i'm not changing anything |
| 07:53.07 | Semlar | i'm just moving the map |
| 07:53.07 | Neffi | So no need for secure frames |
| 07:53.33 | Neffi | Replacing functions, replacing variables, and doing stuff that's generally gonna break the map is where the problem comes in |
| 07:53.56 | Semlar | okay i lied i am replacing functions but i had to! |
| 07:54.02 | Neffi | No you didnt |
| 07:54.09 | Neffi | Give me a good reason why you had to |
| 07:54.21 | Semlar | because i don't want to undo all the stuff that every function does every time it's called |
| 07:54.40 | Semlar | it's tedious! |
| 07:55.02 | Semlar | if i just post hook the thing i'll have to undo all their damn changes |
| 07:55.26 | Torhal | It's called a function. |
| 07:55.27 | Torhal | :D |
| 07:55.34 | Semlar | ;_; |
| 07:55.38 | Neffi | Then you tainted. And if a secure execution path hits that taint, something breaks. |
| 07:55.44 | Semlar | there are so many.. |
| 07:55.55 | Jamash | taint ALL the values! |
| 07:56.26 | Neffi | Hell keep it in. But the taintlog is broken right now, so it's not like you can even really test to see if your taint causes a problem. |
| 07:56.36 | Semlar | yeah |
| 07:56.38 | Neffi | If somebody reports an error that sounds like taint, then you know you need to redo it |
| 07:57.00 | Semlar | maybe i should just come up with an alternative way to get the icons |
| 07:57.15 | Semlar | how do addons normally add them to the map |
| 07:57.15 | Neffi | Getting them from the default UI is easy, because it's known |
| 07:57.28 | karl_w_w | local realJamash = Jamash |
| 07:57.29 | karl_w_w | Jamash = function() BurnAllTheThings() end |
| 07:57.41 | Neffi | By parenting them to the region that actually draws the map |
| 07:57.58 | Neffi | But that part is made up of several layers. So you don't know which they're parenting to |
| 07:58.03 | Neffi | What you MIGHT be able to do is.. |
| 07:58.13 | bluipodcow | Lololop |
| 07:58.17 | Semlar | i could redirect everything trying to anchor to it but i think that could end badly |
| 07:58.37 | Neffi | Scan :GetChildren() (like people do with nameplate skinning). If you find a child that's not part of the default UI, calculate its offset against where it should be on your own, and move it manually |
| 07:59.02 | Neffi | May want to hook its :SetPoint and :ClearAllPoints to reroute to your own positioning logic |
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| 07:59.17 | Neffi | But that will still break edge cases where people do wierd things |
| 07:59.44 | Semlar | ah well i'll worry about that later |
| 07:59.51 | Neffi | Eg they have a bunch of buttons that get recycled like GatherMate |
| 07:59.52 | Semlar | i still have other things i need to put together |
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| 08:00.05 | Neffi | But then you could always hook Show/Hide to figure out when to sotp using it |
| 08:00.43 | Neffi | Or you can add explicit support for certain addons |
| 08:01.03 | Neffi | And integrate enough features into your own so that people don't feel compelled to use a bunch of other map addons too |
| 08:01.17 | Semlar | that's true |
| 08:01.31 | Semlar | but i would rather support them than replace them |
| 08:01.45 | karl_w_w | because you're lazy! |
| 08:01.50 | Neffi | ugh |
| 08:01.50 | Semlar | because i'm lazy |
| 08:01.53 | Neffi | afk |
| 08:02.01 | Neffi | food poisoning sucks ass |
| 08:02.18 | Semlar | i'll keep that in mind |
| 08:02.42 | Semlar | still.. my plans kind of revolved around using the real world map |
| 08:02.59 | Semlar | if i don't i'll have to reproduce a lot of the code that's already there |
| 08:03.48 | karl_w_w | if only there was some way to copy and paste |
| 08:04.14 | Semlar | sadly no such technological advancements have been discovered |
| 08:05.32 | karl_w_w | that's microsoft's fault |
| 08:05.40 | karl_w_w | their monopoly stifles innovation |
| 08:06.21 | Semlar | they're tryin to keep us down, man |
| 08:13.25 | Semlar | okay after looking over mapster i'm pretty sure taint won't be a problem |
| 08:13.53 | Semlar | they replace a ton of functions |
| 08:15.12 | karl_w_w | yeah but they arent meanies |
| 08:15.17 | Semlar | :| |
| 08:15.34 | karl_w_w | just poke nevcairiel |
| 08:15.38 | karl_w_w | ^ like that |
| 08:16.02 | Semlar | you know when i started this i wasn't planning on replacing all the crap that's attached to the map |
| 08:16.33 | Semlar | but people probably want to be able to see their quest information and stuff |
| 08:18.54 | karl_w_w | people are silly |
| 08:19.06 | Semlar | yeah |
| 08:20.11 | Neffi | Well the quest info is all done through an API that's available to you |
| 08:20.15 | Neffi | And it's not necessarily hard to use |
| 08:20.42 | karl_w_w | unlike your sister! zing |
| 08:20.48 | Neffi | If you approach the API yourself instead of just pulling it off the map, not only do you have the opportunity to improve it, but you won't be limited to showing quests in just the current zone |
| 08:21.00 | Neffi | If you're showing the whole world at once, why not having the POI work on the whole thing? |
| 08:21.06 | karl_w_w | or should that be just like |
| 08:21.35 | Semlar | the way i'm doing the map it's only scaling back to the full continent level |
| 08:21.48 | Semlar | i'm leaving everything above that to the interface |
| 08:22.12 | Neffi | Yes but you're showing two adjacent zones at a time at least |
| 08:22.19 | Neffi | Quest POIs can exists in two adjacent zones |
| 08:22.21 | Semlar | yeah i'm showing all the zones if you're zoomed out to that level |
| 08:22.24 | Neffi | It'd be nice if you could see them all |
| 08:22.59 | Neffi | Also if it matters, having the map forcefully fill the screen makes it icky for battlegrounds |
| 08:23.15 | Semlar | it's not going to fill the screen |
| 08:23.26 | Semlar | it's in a resizable scrollframe |
| 08:23.28 | Neffi | Oh |
| 08:23.31 | Neffi | ok |
| 08:24.00 | Semlar | looks something like this http://i.imgur.com/Ingwo.jpg |
| 08:24.00 | Neffi | By the way are you still using minimap tiles as well? |
| 08:24.08 | Neffi | I see you are |
| 08:24.26 | Neffi | See I wanted to make an addon that simply adds a "satellite" mode to the world map |
| 08:24.28 | karl_w_w | holy crap how good is shortbread |
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| 08:24.42 | Semlar | i worked on all of the components separately so they aren't all merged together yet |
| 08:24.45 | Neffi | Not to compete with you or anything >_> |
| 08:25.09 | Semlar | but they all work so it's mostly a matter of me just doing it |
| 08:25.42 | Neffi | Wait a sec! |
| 08:26.05 | karl_w_w | make with the Nike |
| 08:26.17 | Neffi | Just pull the painted area of the world map off of the WorldMapFrame and place it in your scroll frame, anchored to the current zone |
| 08:26.34 | Neffi | hook the function that shows the main map to place it back when it's shown, then pull it back into your map when it's hidden |
| 08:27.18 | Neffi | Obviously use an alpha trick to hide the contents of the default map so only POI overlays are shown on yours |
| 08:27.50 | Semlar | well what i was going to do was have the real map fill the screen set to the continent, then when you moused over a zone it replaced that with my own textures and moved the real map to where the zone is |
| 08:28.19 | Semlar | that way it would have whatever the map normally shows on the continent level |
| 08:29.13 | Neffi | Do the proper hooks so that you can replace the "broken" parts when the user wants to see the default map |
| 08:29.19 | karl_w_w | whats with all the chickens on your action bar? |
| 08:29.25 | Neffi | and then rip it back out when the default map is hidden |
| 08:29.26 | Semlar | i like chickens |
| 08:29.45 | Neffi | Semlar's trolling us |
| 08:30.00 | Semlar | it was on the beta |
| 08:30.06 | bluipodcow | Lol |
| 08:30.06 | Neffi | I think he keeps action bar 2 filled w/ chickens to troll w/ screenshots |
| 08:30.10 | Semlar | i was testing the mini pets |
| 08:30.31 | Neffi | You can fight pet battles with... cluck power? |
| 08:30.32 | karl_w_w | a likely story |
| 08:30.40 | Neffi | Oh lord maybe I'll buy into this whole Pokewow shit after all |
| 08:31.14 | karl_w_w | so what happens when i run this function with your crazy map addon in the way? http://paste2.org/p/2070696 |
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| 08:32.58 | Semlar | it returns the name of the current zone |
| 08:33.09 | karl_w_w | yeah i just noticed that :P |
| 08:33.12 | Neffi | That's why I said not to hook |
| 08:33.21 | Neffi | Because you never know why an addon may want a given function |
| 08:33.23 | Semlar | i'm preeeeeetty sure there's a function for this |
| 08:33.37 | Neffi | not to hook -> not to pre-hook |
| 08:33.50 | Semlar | GetMapNameByID? |
| 08:33.58 | karl_w_w | yeah |
| 08:34.16 | karl_w_w | that's an old thing i had in my bookmarks |
| 08:34.28 | Semlar | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetMapNameByID |
| 08:34.31 | karl_w_w | point is, what Neffi said |
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| 08:35.26 | Semlar | i was actually considering hooking the map information functions if i got too carried away with this so they'd still return relevant information |
| 08:36.37 | Semlar | without interfering with the way my map is displayed |
| 08:36.39 | karl_w_w | dammit bluipodcow stop trying to hack freenode |
| 08:36.53 | bluipodcow | U mad? |
| 08:36.56 | Neffi | I'm concerned that they always assume I'm flying when I use Freenode. Either they take me for some druggy or they're implying that I'm lazy for just sitting around in my room. |
| 08:37.07 | karl_w_w | livid |
| 08:37.14 | Neffi | Not that neither are true |
| 08:37.48 | karl_w_w | the only drug i need is lithium |
| 08:37.55 | Semlar | bipolar? |
| 08:37.59 | karl_w_w | s/thium/fe/ |
| 08:38.02 | Neffi | How's this for wierd things to do. Instead of making a nice tooltip addon that shows useful unit info, I made a tooltip addon that hijacks :SetUnit, intentionally supresses it, and then relies on my unit frame addon to provide unit tooltips |
| 08:38.18 | Neffi | Sometimes the simplest solutions are unconventional |
| 08:39.52 | karl_w_w | neffi go do the vacuuming for me |
| 08:41.12 | Neffi | Hahaha I just pulled a ninja cat in WoW |
| 08:42.00 | Neffi | Some horde grabbing quests in shared town. I put my AFK flag up so he'd think he's safe. He kept looking back at me to make sure I wasnt following before he left town. Every time he looked away I moved closer, then put my AFK flag back up. |
| 08:42.02 | karl_w_w | nice, is she hot? |
| 08:42.17 | Neffi | He thought he was safe. I got an HK. Everyone wins. Except him. |
| 08:42.33 | karl_w_w | L2turnoffautounafk |
| 08:42.49 | Neffi | I like auto unafk |
| 08:42.52 | Neffi | Umm |
| 08:42.54 | Neffi | yeah |
| 08:43.54 | karl_w_w | Message: ...rd_CUFProfiles\Blizzard_CompactUnitFrameProfiles.lua line 454: Usage: GetRaidProfileOption("profile", "optionName") <- default ui is so buggy this patch |
| 08:44.45 | karl_w_w | that's just from going through the settings |
| 08:45.56 | EthanCentaurai | that's what addons are for! :D :D |
| 08:47.33 | starlon | progress bars irritate me when they don't work right. >.< If you can't make that progress bar act right, then please choose an activity indicator instead... |
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| 08:48.36 | Semlar | the progress is a lie |
| 08:48.57 | starlon | How very Republican of you. |
| 08:49.16 | starlon | :/ |
| 08:49.17 | Semlar | your mom's a republican |
| 08:49.24 | starlon | She is actually. :/ |
| 08:49.30 | Semlar | i know! |
| 08:50.06 | Neffi | lol |
| 08:50.21 | Neffi | camping somebody 2 levels higher AND loomed out, in regular old dungeon gear that's outdated by 10 levels |
| 08:50.23 | Neffi | priceless |
| 08:50.35 | Xinhuan | http://store.steampowered.com/sub/16705/ haha, the price of the individual items are cheaper than the package |
| 08:51.23 | starlon | nice one |
| 08:52.08 | Xinhuan | that's not very bright of them |
| 08:52.24 | bluipodcow | Gameshadow.com has bank items uploaded to it |
| 08:52.26 | bluipodcow | Wtf |
| 08:52.53 | bluipodcow | Nvm |
| 08:53.07 | Elkano | also, as European, I wouldn't buy FTL on steam... buy from the developer, pay in $ instead of €, get both DRM free and steam key, save money... |
| 08:53.17 | bluipodcow | Added in 2006 ancient version probably |
| 08:55.47 | Fisker | mad Elkano ? |
| 08:56.31 | Elkano | no, 'cause that's what I did |
| 08:56.56 | bluipodcow | Mad fiskerette? |
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| 08:57.53 | Fisker | mad bluipodcow ? |
| 08:57.53 | karl_w_w | ooh look a graphical glitch on the character selection screen |
| 08:57.58 | Fisker | no karl_w_w |
| 08:58.11 | karl_w_w | yes Fisker |
| 08:58.15 | Fisker | nope |
| 08:58.41 | starlon | maybe Fisker |
| 08:58.50 | karl_w_w | only for humans, particle effects arent showing around weapons in the top half of the screen |
| 08:59.09 | Fisker | how is that a glitch? |
| 08:59.30 | karl_w_w | how isnt it? |
| 08:59.36 | bluipodcow | Awwwwww |
| 08:59.40 | bluipodcow | Poor phallus |
| 08:59.46 | bluipodcow | Woops |
| 08:59.49 | Semlar | .. |
| 08:59.53 | bluipodcow | Pallies |
| 09:00.01 | karl_w_w | bluipodcow is very worried about his phallus |
| 09:00.22 | starlon | chuckles. |
| 09:00.57 | bluipodcow | Poor primadonna pallies can't prime themselves at the login screen no more |
| 09:01.01 | bluipodcow | How sad |
| 09:03.22 | karl_w_w | are wars supposed to use battle shout on cd to generate rage? |
| 09:04.23 | starlon | yes, sometimes |
| 09:04.33 | starlon | What stance are you using? |
| 09:05.10 | starlon | battle shout isn't as important as it was before 5.0 though |
| 09:06.17 | karl_w_w | zerker |
| 09:06.22 | starlon | (or at least before Firelands came out. I stopped playing before that.) |
| 09:06.29 | starlon | Battle stance will generate a lot more rage. |
| 09:07.29 | karl_w_w | im questing |
| 09:07.53 | starlon | I find I starve for rage in zerker. *shrug* |
| 09:08.28 | karl_w_w | ill try it ojut |
| 09:09.18 | starlon | I'm also max level, so ymmv |
| 09:10.37 | starlon | loves this whole new warrior design. |
| 09:10.58 | starlon | They'll nerf fury again though. :( |
| 09:11.33 | randomDude | farts on fisker |
| 09:11.54 | starlon | likes dual wielding 2 handers. rawr |
| 09:14.30 | randomDude | so fisker, how long have you been playing guild wars 2? |
| 09:20.20 | Fisker | i once killed a guy who claimed i had been playing guild wars 2 |
| 09:20.39 | starlon | dies suddenly. |
| 09:25.26 | bluipodcow | He mad. |
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| 09:26.22 | Fisker | umad |
| 09:26.45 | starlon | puts another dime in the jukebox baby. |
| 09:28.07 | randomDude | sounds mad |
| 09:28.55 | Fisker | typical console retard |
| 09:28.58 | Fisker | playing borderlands 2 |
| 09:29.01 | Fisker | and he has to pick up a gun |
| 09:29.04 | randomDude | umad? |
| 09:29.07 | Fisker | there's a marker on the minimap |
| 09:29.13 | Fisker | but he runs in the exact opposite direction |
| 09:29.47 | randomDude | do you know how to fix that ? |
| 09:30.04 | starlon | unoob |
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| 11:41.47 | karl_w_w | is it a new feature that quest items get looted automatically or is some addon doing it for me? |
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| 11:48.44 | Vladinator | can't help you, I personally have an addon to loot stuff for me :p |
| 11:49.09 | starlon | loots karl_w_w's coffers. |
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| 11:51.29 | acethebunny | karl_w_w, do you have auto loot turned off? |
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| 11:56.55 | karl_w_w | yes sintAcks |
| 11:58.04 | sintAcks | idk then. i have auto loot. i'll trty tghat out sometime later |
| 11:58.33 | sintAcks | i'll also have to turn off autolootfix. lol |
| 11:58.39 | sintAcks | but bed bai |
| 12:00.02 | Elkano | you can't invite cross-realm with InviteUnit(name@realm), can you? |
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| 12:11.53 | Elkano | ok, you can (at least for "friends") |
| 12:12.13 | karl_w_w | tried using a dash? |
| 12:12.50 | Elkano | well, works with @, so fine with me :) |
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| 12:18.57 | karl_w_w | oh look, useful new function http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml/16048/UIParent.lua#3432 |
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| 13:04.22 | Industrial | this is redicurous |
| 13:04.37 | Industrial | leveling is easier as prot with a 2h then as retri |
| 13:05.06 | Neffi | nerf prot |
| 13:05.38 | karl_w_w | get better at ret? |
| 13:10.58 | Industrial | I have way more aoe stuffs as prot :P |
| 13:11.05 | Industrial | (L41 now) |
| 13:11.16 | Industrial | screw single mobs =D |
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| 14:12.02 | Vladinator | hmm, this is a bit odd |
| 14:12.22 | karl_w_w | the number 3? |
| 14:12.28 | Vladinator | I register with CONFIRM_LOOT_ROLL and trigger RollOnLoot then I wait for the event and rollID to fire, then I automatically do ConfirmLootRoll but it doesn't work :/ |
| 14:12.46 | Vladinator | the item is still waiting for me to confirm it, hmm |
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| 14:16.53 | karl_w_w | hook the frame's onshow |
| 14:16.53 | karl_w_w | and confirm then |
| 14:17.01 | Vladinator | ah |
| 14:17.02 | Vladinator | moment |
| 14:21.16 | karl_w_w | oh you're doing it wrong |
| 14:21.56 | karl_w_w | hear START_LOOT_ROLL -> do RollOnLoot -> hear CONFIRM_LOOT_ROLL -> do ConfirmLootRoll |
| 14:22.12 | Vladinator | it works ;) |
| 14:22.20 | Vladinator | I just forgot one thing :P |
| 14:22.31 | Vladinator | yes that's how I do it ;) |
| 14:22.43 | Vladinator | I just forgot a check statement, so I only confirm those rollID I wish to confirm :P |
| 14:27.15 | Fisker | wanna get sneezed in the face Vladinator ? |
| 14:27.47 | Vladinator | go a head |
| 14:35.02 | Vladinator | still waiting, Fisker |
| 14:37.44 | Fisker | already happened |
| 14:43.10 | Fisker | Jamash |
| 14:47.26 | foxlit | gr, there's no ALT_KEY_TEXT |
| 14:48.47 | karl_w_w | "Alt" ? |
| 14:49.26 | foxlit | yep. |
| 14:49.41 | Fisker | herr foxlit |
| 14:51.54 | karl_w_w | i dont understand |
| 14:52.03 | karl_w_w | what is this alt text malarky |
| 14:54.01 | foxlit | localization, mostly. Globalstrings provides SHIFT_KEY_TEXT = "SHIFT" and the equivalent for ctrl, but nothing for ALT |
| 14:57.00 | zenzelezz | it's probably to not alienate their Mac users |
| 14:57.18 | foxlit | I was kind of hoping they'd actually localize it for their mac users |
| 14:58.28 | Xinhuan | does the word "apple" appear in that file? |
| 14:58.38 | Xinhuan | or "command" |
| 14:59.45 | foxlit | yes and yes, though what you're really asking is whether they appear in that context, in which case the answer is no |
| 15:00.10 | foxlit | They don't alter binding display depending on platform, it seems. |
| 15:00.11 | Xinhuan | i guess the game localizese that in C then |
| 15:00.37 | Xinhuan | what does it say if you rebind something to apple+something, to one of the micromenu buttons? |
| 15:00.46 | Xinhuan | and then you mouseover it (the tooltip says the keybind) |
| 15:01.35 | foxlit | no idea |
| 15:03.52 | foxlit | I suppose I could hardcode ⌥, but I have a feeling that symbol isn't too familiar to people. |
| 15:04.16 | Xinhuan | that symbol looks like a rectangle to me |
| 15:04.41 | foxlit | http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/2325/index.htm |
| 15:04.46 | Xinhuan | there's probably a way to tell if you are on a mac client or not yes? |
| 15:05.03 | foxlit | sure. |
| 15:05.22 | Xinhuan | ⌥ |
| 15:05.26 | Xinhuan | yep doesn't display on this font |
| 15:05.51 | Xinhuan | it'll probably break on a lot of fonts i guess |
| 15:06.55 | nevcairiel | a good font engine should look for unknown glyphs in another font, sadly wow isnt that smart :p |
| 15:07.05 | nevcairiel | and either your irc client isnt either, or none of your fonts has that symbol |
| 15:07.18 | Xinhuan | it's mirc heh |
| 15:07.30 | Xinhuan | and i'm using fixedsys font |
| 15:11.17 | karl_w_w | IsMacClient() |
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| 15:16.34 | nevcairiel | Shadowed: i found a small bug with my pets power bar. http://images.gammatester.com/pics/5f77b815ce4a0a0fc7b699f4fe4fdb57.png .. pet frame is the one below the player frame. I also targeted the pet for clarity. As you can see, the pets power bar is "full", even though the energy text and the target frame say otherwise. It seems to not move at all |
| 15:20.46 | g0urra | hey Fisker |
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| 15:32.58 | Amarande | rofl. amazon is only just now sending out email ads saying that GW2 is now available |
| 15:33.02 | karl_w_w | Message: ..\AddOns\XPerl_RaidFrames\XPerl_Raid.lua line 1136: attempt to index local 'self' (a nil value) |
| 15:33.06 | karl_w_w | blast from the past |
| 15:34.28 | nevcairiel | Shadowed: additionally, the power bar seems to be in the wrong position on the target frame even. Its at 71% (141/200), but the bar more looks like 50% ... something fishy is going on there |
| 15:40.36 | bluspacecow | lol xperl |
| 15:47.15 | karl_w_w | a dwarf jumping while doing the read map animation looks like a morris dancer |
| 15:50.50 | Mr_Rabies | i really hope they make the auction house regional one day |
| 15:51.16 | Mr_Rabies | i'm sure gold farmers would love that, but i'm okay witht that as long as it meant our server wouldn't be lacking so many resources |
| 15:52.02 | nevcairiel | on any medium sized server the auction house is already so full with the usual stuff, it would completely ruin the economy |
| 15:53.11 | durcyn | i just want buy orders and partial stack bids, is that too much to ask |
| 15:53.20 | bluspacecow | *blinks* |
| 15:53.24 | bluspacecow | i need sleep |
| 15:53.30 | bluspacecow | i read that as partial stack birds |
| 15:53.55 | nevcairiel | if someone puts up a whole stack, you shouldnt be able to buy half of it |
| 15:53.58 | bluspacecow | one pigeon , two pigeo , 3 pigeon , half a pigeon! |
| 15:54.18 | durcyn | and stack size increased beyond this 20 nonsense, while it's christmas |
| 15:54.42 | durcyn | basically i'd like the EVE auction system |
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| 16:07.09 | Shadowed | nevcairiel that one was fixed earlier in an alpha |
| 16:07.21 | nevcairiel | but i updated! |
| 16:07.37 | nevcairiel | let me check |
| 16:07.40 | nevcairiel | yup, up to date |
| 16:08.33 | nevcairiel | the text updates fine, just the bar doesnt |
| 16:08.37 | Shadowed | nevcairiel what pet |
| 16:08.43 | nevcairiel | void |
| 16:08.52 | Shadowed | k will look into it later |
| 16:09.17 | Shadowed | oh wait nevermind |
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| 16:10.38 | nevcairiel | i guess the power module needs the same treatment as the tags module |
| 16:10.48 | Shadowed | yup |
| 16:11.43 | Shadowed | try alpha once it's up nevcairiel |
| 16:11.53 | nevcairiel | i use git, no waiting for the packager |
| 16:11.54 | Shadowed | annoying that they named this one POWER_TYPE_FEL_ENERGY but it triggers as ENERGY |
| 16:11.58 | Shadowed | well try alpha then |
| 16:13.22 | nevcairiel | seems fine, thanks |
| 16:14.18 | Shadowed | np |
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| 16:21.48 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies, I'm guessing you're on a low pop server and getting exactly the issue I predicted about resources when CRZ hit? |
| 16:32.33 | Fisker | hey g0urra |
| 16:32.48 | g0urra | have you tried the sc2 heart of the swarm beta? |
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| 16:42.13 | Vladinator | !lua local t=0 if t=t+1>0 then print(t)end |
| 16:42.13 | batbot | Vladinator: @ [string "local t=0 if t=t+1>0 then print(t)end"]:1: 'then' expected near '=' |
| 16:42.19 | Vladinator | :( |
| 16:43.06 | zenzelezz | "t = t + 1 > 0"? |
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| 16:46.00 | Vladinator | tested if it can compare the new value of t on the run :P |
| 16:46.52 | Vladinator | !lua local t={{i=1},{i=2}}for k,v in pairs(t)do v.i=v.i*2 end for k,v in pairs(t)do print(v.i)end |
| 16:46.53 | batbot | Vladinator: 2 4 |
| 16:47.51 | karl_w_w | modify addon -> save changes -> test addon in wow |
| 16:47.58 | karl_w_w | mfw forgot to reload ui |
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| 17:09.28 | karl_w_w | Message: ...e\AddOns\Blizzard_DebugTools\Blizzard_DebugTools.lua line 306: script ran too long |
| 17:09.35 | karl_w_w | this is beyond a joke |
| 17:09.55 | Amarande | karl: an error occurred while determining the error? :) |
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| 17:12.49 | Kraps | errorception hahahaha /kills self |
| 17:13.39 | karl_w_w | PetMourn_Frame:RegisterUnitEvent("COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED", "pet") <- never fires |
| 17:13.51 | karl_w_w | useful new thing they put in there |
| 17:15.15 | karl_w_w | "here, you can now filter events!" |
| 17:15.15 | karl_w_w | "ps. you can't filter the spammiest event" |
| 17:15.37 | bluspacecow | u mad? |
| 17:16.11 | karl_w_w | lil bit |
| 17:16.40 | bluspacecow | *gently pats karl_w_w * |
| 17:25.59 | karl_w_w | filches bluspacecow's wallet |
| 17:27.51 | Ressy | crazy number of jobs available at blizzard |
| 17:29.13 | zenzelezz | what kind of jobs? |
| 17:29.19 | pompy | software dev |
| 17:29.23 | Ressy | http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/careers/directory.html#region=Americas;showonly=Programming |
| 17:29.44 | Ressy | I was just looking at software, but theres a bunch of other positions |
| 17:29.51 | Ressy | http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/careers/directory.html#region=Americas |
| 17:30.25 | karl_w_w | http://codepad.org/DMBiopqg why didnt this work? |
| 17:30.26 | Stanzilla | about time they replace the idiots that they have now |
| 17:30.50 | Ressy | I doubt they're replacing. Augmenting |
| 17:31.04 | Ressy | battle.net team is a brand new team they're starting at austin |
| 17:32.08 | Ressy | whoa. 2 new positions.. Risk Systems Engineer |
| 17:32.15 | Ressy | "An intense desire to make life hard for the "bad guys"" |
| 17:40.06 | Amarande | Or atm, since the bad guys are probably busy trying to rig the RMAH in D3 instead of playing WoW in its half-broken state, you might just get to spend your eight hours a day playing Risk |
| 17:40.23 | Amarande | A full work shift is probably long enough to get maybe two games in, right? :) |
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| 17:41.36 | bluspacecow | \o |
| 17:42.47 | Amarande | Ressy, what's the current confidence level that the 5.0 bumpy ride will be smoothed out by MoP launch? |
| 17:43.28 | bluspacecow | why would it be smoothed out ? |
| 17:43.33 | bluspacecow | ankle grinders being used ? |
| 17:44.03 | Amarande | bluspacecow: because people want to actually play the game they paid for, in particular ROFL |
| 17:44.07 | karl_w_w | sounds painful |
| 17:44.12 | pompy | ... |
| 17:44.19 | Ressy | Amarande: The game is playable as it is. |
| 17:44.31 | Ressy | Its not perfect, but you can play |
| 17:44.52 | Amarande | I think most people prefer their element of challenge and risk to come from game mechanics rather than bugs, though :) |
| 17:44.54 | Amarande | Wellll ... |
| 17:45.10 | Amarande | Assuming the bugs do not benefit them anyway. When they do ... *cough* Bladesingers *cough* :P |
| 17:45.10 | karl_w_w | what bugs? |
| 17:45.16 | Ressy | And you're the only one I've actively seen bitching about bugs nonstop |
| 17:45.28 | Ressy | CRZ is a problem, they've acknowledged it, and they're working on it |
| 17:45.30 | durcyn | actively bitching nonstop is Amarande's specialty |
| 17:45.37 | Kraps | no, blizzard always leaves the game extremely buggy, because like that people will continue to pay money |
| 17:45.59 | Kraps | dont ask my how, im sure Amarande can tell you |
| 17:46.13 | Amarande | Rssy: yeah, that's what I mean, what's the current confidence level that when MoP launches, the CRZ bugs will all be properly confined in their cages? |
| 17:46.25 | Ressy | Its all server-side issues. |
| 17:46.28 | bluspacecow | its blizzard |
| 17:46.32 | bluspacecow | anything could happen |
| 17:46.39 | Ressy | besides, they've said about a million times that Pandaria zones won't be CRZ'd |
| 17:46.41 | bluspacecow | bunnies could spawn in warsong gulch |
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| 17:47.57 | Amarande | blu: "Bug: I can't score any points in WSG because the enemy flag turned into the Darkmoon Rabbit and kills us every time we try to pick it up"? :) |
| 17:48.38 | Kraps | warsong gulch could collapse in on itself causing a black hole that destroys the entire azerothian planet |
| 17:48.39 | bluspacecow | zomg darkmoon wabbit is overpowered! |
| 17:48.56 | g0urra | Amarande: screenshot or it didn't happen |
| 17:49.06 | Amarande | that was a joke, g0urra :P |
| 17:49.24 | g0urra | I think you missed my joke, too. |
| 17:51.36 | Kraps | carbonite is about 60% broken in the worgen starting zone |
| 17:51.49 | Gnarfoz | Carbonite, wtf |
| 17:52.08 | Amarande | Speaking of missing things I think this guy missed a fine point: "Even having something that would have pushed us along to the next level of artifacts (Dwarf, Fossil, Night Elf , and Troll solves are now given you only one point--time to move on to Draenei and Orc solves) would have been better then [sic] this." |
| 17:52.54 | Kraps | Gnarfoz, i know right? |
| 17:53.12 | pompy | ~lart Kraps |
| 17:53.12 | purl | send killer squirrels to attack Kraps |
| 17:53.20 | pompy | it deserves to be 100% broken |
| 17:53.40 | Amarande | He's talking about how the sudden nerf of archaeology skill points past 500 is a bit of a shock (apparently it's to make you move on to panda archaeology, but they've never done anything like that before) |
| 17:53.50 | Amarande | so suggesting they should have done things like that at the lower tiers too |
| 17:54.22 | Amarande | except, I don't think it's quite occurred to him that then at 450 you wouldn't be able to level it well at all without hoping for lots of Tol'vir sites heh |
| 17:54.53 | Kraps | pompy, suggest me a small map addon that shows quest locations on it |
| 17:55.12 | Semlar | mapster? |
| 17:55.30 | pompy | quest locations from a db or from your quest log |
| 17:55.31 | pompy | ? |
| 17:55.33 | Torhal | Who honestly cares about any of this shit? Really? FOr fuck's sake? |
| 17:55.59 | Semlar | why would any addon need a database for quests after they implemented that stuff in game |
| 17:56.02 | Torhal | Yammer, yammer, yammer. Like the channel is a big stage, and the spotlight is on you. |
| 17:56.06 | Torhal | FUCK. |
| 17:56.32 | Kraps | offers Torhal a chillaxative |
| 17:56.50 | Stanzilla | hey Torhal |
| 17:56.59 | Torhal | stabs Kraps with Stanzilla. |
| 17:57.12 | Kraps | shit Stanzilla why us |
| 17:57.27 | Stanzilla | I dont know :( |
| 17:57.30 | pompy | Semlar: you can query if you completed a quest but i dont think you can get the location its in and what not |
| 17:57.31 | Torhal | Fun! |
| 17:57.58 | Semlar | but the in-game map puts the quest locations on it |
| 17:58.09 | Semlar | like literally every step of the way |
| 17:58.17 | Kraps | yeah i wasnt sure about that |
| 17:58.54 | pompy | to whats currently in your quest log? |
| 17:59.25 | pompy | you can use a mod to see where quests are that you havent completed and they are marked on the map, afaik |
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| 18:02.10 | g0urra | ding dong the bitch is gone |
| 18:02.24 | Semlar | you can get information about the quests you're currently on, i'm not sure what other quests you'd need information about |
| 18:02.30 | pompy | BOOM |
| 18:02.39 | pompy | Torhal: |
| 18:03.12 | Torhal | Yay. |
| 18:03.22 | bluspacecow | i say |
| 18:03.39 | bluspacecow | i feel like a spot of breakfast old bean |
| 18:03.41 | pompy | Semlar: ..I'd like to see a list of quests in the zone i still havent completed ;) |
| 18:03.41 | bluspacecow | wot wot |
| 18:03.44 | Semlar | i guess it wouldn't have like quest hubs on it |
| 18:03.54 | pompy | ~lart bluspacecow |
| 18:03.54 | purl | dumps 42 tons of dirt, manure, and fish heads on bluspacecow |
| 18:03.59 | pompy | SUccess |
| 18:04.09 | bluspacecow | not that kind of breakfast :| |
| 18:04.13 | pompy | haha |
| 18:04.34 | Kraps | i just really like carbonites map |
| 18:04.47 | bluspacecow | breakfast then to bed to watch warehouse 13 on my iPod |
| 18:04.51 | bluspacecow | sounds brilliant |
| 18:04.54 | Kraps | the ease of it |
| 18:05.01 | Semlar | what specifically do you like about carbonite's map |
| 18:05.23 | Semlar | the extra information or how you navigate it |
| 18:05.49 | Kraps | the latter |
| 18:06.29 | Semlar | is there anything you would change about it |
| 18:06.32 | bluspacecow | how you navigate it ? |
| 18:06.44 | Kraps | its a small partly transparent box on the side thats movable at any time |
| 18:07.12 | Kraps | and when i press m its a largerpartly transparent box thats movable at any time |
| 18:07.45 | Kraps | and resizable |
| 18:08.59 | Kraps | theres markers for sea ports, zone exits, inns etc |
| 18:10.12 | Semlar | i think handynotes has a bunch of plugins for it with that kind of information |
| 18:10.33 | Semlar | although when i tried to load it it was throwing an error about something or other, probably ace |
| 18:14.07 | pompy | http://notepad-plus-plus.org/assets/images/defacement.png :x |
| 18:16.43 | Ressy | well, they could have taken down the entire site. |
| 18:16.53 | pompy | happened back in may |
| 18:17.04 | Ressy | ah |
| 18:17.07 | pompy | db was compromised but the binaries were untouched |
| 18:17.08 | Semlar | god that looks bad |
| 18:17.29 | pompy | http://notepad-plus-plus.org/news/website-defacement.html |
| 18:17.42 | Semlar | if you're going to deface something you should probably try not to look like an idiot doing it |
| 18:17.48 | Arrowmaster | looks like a generic sql injection where they really probably didnt do shit but manage to inject their crap into the site layout |
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| 18:18.36 | Arrowmaster | 10 some years ago when a group i was a part of had a phpnuke site we had to put up with that shit all the time till we said fuck this and just took the site down |
| 18:19.08 | Kraps | so you let the terrorists win |
| 18:19.26 | Arrowmaster | it was phpnuke, the only option was to stop using that shit |
| 18:19.45 | Arrowmaster | and we didnt really need the site anymore so we didnt put up anything new |
| 18:21.19 | pompy | @tickets arl 1502 |
| 18:21.32 | pompy | fucking repo |
| 18:21.35 | pompy | werong chann |
| 18:23.12 | Kraps | is running a game at the same time as a defragger bad? |
| 18:23.29 | Semlar | the game might not like it |
| 18:23.36 | pompy | netiher would the HDD |
| 18:23.38 | pompy | probably |
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| 18:24.05 | Semlar | i doubt it would be a real problem |
| 18:24.24 | pompy | just run it when you pass out |
| 18:25.10 | Semlar | you shouldn't need to defrag your computer manually |
| 18:25.30 | Semlar | the newer operating systems just sort of do it while you aren't looking |
| 18:25.34 | zenzelezz | I wonder if Dreamhack Valencia made that amazing intro themselves |
| 18:27.42 | Arrowmaster | proper file systems avoid fragmentation in the first place |
| 18:29.03 | Kraps | idk i think i got a lot of HDD space after a couple hours of defragging |
| 18:30.15 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure the point of defragging is optimizing the file system for quicker access |
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| 18:30.23 | Semlar | not freeing up space |
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| 18:30.48 | zenzelezz | freeing up space can be a consequence, but not the goal |
| 18:31.00 | Semlar | would it really change available space? |
| 18:31.26 | zenzelezz | if files had been reduced in size at some point, it could leave spots of not easily utilised space |
| 18:31.34 | zenzelezz | or similar things, I'm not good enough with file systems |
| 18:31.51 | bluspacecow | would depend on how fragmented it is |
| 18:33.10 | Semlar | interesting |
| 18:34.45 | bluspacecow | as well as the block size and how maby blocks are significantly wasted as they aren't completely fill |
| 18:40.41 | Semlar | how does carbonite handle maps with multiple levels |
| 18:42.23 | Semlar | i'll probably just make it so you can scroll through them |
| 18:44.05 | Kraps | Semlar, what addon are you making |
| 18:44.52 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/SlyFA.jpg |
| 18:45.12 | Semlar | it's a map |
| 18:46.29 | Kraps | carbonite is also zoomable and movable a la google maps |
| 18:47.18 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/5mlYe.jpg so many layers |
| 18:48.02 | Kraps | yeah, its seamless |
| 18:48.35 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/L6tlI.jpg |
| 18:49.17 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/EsdAR.jpg |
| 18:50.46 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/1F1IC.jpg i may need to scale the icons separately from the map |
| 18:53.59 | Kraps | hah |
| 18:54.16 | Semlar | i had no intentions of replacing the entire map, i just wanted to make a resizable minimap |
| 18:54.35 | Semlar | but that was such an involved process that i just expanded it a little bit |
| 18:57.36 | Semlar | and now rythal on the wowi forums has recently started working on something similar so i feel kind of awkward about it |
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| 19:13.01 | mikma | semlar: niiiice |
| 19:13.18 | Semlar | ^_^ |
| 19:15.31 | Fisker | eliminate the bluspacecows |
| 19:15.50 | Semlar | just the blue ones? |
| 19:16.20 | Fisker | yep |
| 19:17.35 | Semlar | isn't that a little discriminatory? |
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| 19:37.45 | Semlar | is there any mode in-game that actually puts quest objectives on the map if you're zoomed out past the zone level |
| 19:53.00 | Fisker | nah Semlar |
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| 20:01.06 | bluspacecow | sleepy weepy tiems byes! |
| 20:03.33 | g0urra | grr, AuctionMaster keep messing up |
| 20:03.34 | g0urra | [ADDON_ACTION_BLOCKED] AddOn "AuctionMaster" tried to call the protected function "CompactRaidFrame5:Show()". |
| 20:06.59 | Gnarfoz | doubtful it is actually it |
| 20:08.19 | g0urra | all of my unit frames related addons are updated, so I don't know what could be causing it |
| 20:08.53 | Gnarfoz | sounds like taintlog time |
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| 20:09.36 | nevcairiel | updated doesnt mean fixed |
| 20:12.08 | Semlar | nevcairiel! |
| 20:12.35 | Semlar | how bad of an idea would it be to reparent the world map frame |
| 20:12.57 | g0urra | Gnarfoz: taintlog? |
| 20:13.04 | nevcairiel | Semlar: probably very |
| 20:13.25 | MysticalOS | CompactRaidFrame5:Show() pisses me off, ace3 got blamed for over 100 of those yesterday. honestly who even knows what it's actual problem is |
| 20:13.39 | zenzelezz | always 5? |
| 20:13.46 | MysticalOS | not always 5 |
| 20:13.48 | Gnarfoz | not always 5 |
| 20:13.52 | zenzelezz | oh, pity |
| 20:13.57 | zenzelezz | that would have been interesting |
| 20:14.03 | MysticalOS | ace3 got blamed for group 1 and group 3 |
| 20:14.08 | Gnarfoz | I've got hundreds of those errors |
| 20:14.12 | MysticalOS | also not always show |
| 20:14.15 | MysticalOS | sometimes it's clearallpoints |
| 20:14.17 | MysticalOS | or setpoint |
| 20:14.28 | g0urra | http://i.imgur.com/jIMqq.png |
| 20:14.58 | Gnarfoz | it's just because AuctionMaster starts with A |
| 20:15.00 | Gnarfoz | >_< |
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| 20:15.28 | Semlar | nevcairiel: i need it to be clipped by my scroll frame so i need to know if that's going to taint a bunch of stuff and i should just not even bother |
| 20:15.31 | Gnarfoz | it's probably some other addon using the copy of a lib AuctionMaster loads |
| 20:15.32 | Torhal | changes all of his AddOns to start with "Z_" |
| 20:15.54 | Gnarfoz | Torhal: Saiket did that, basically ;p |
| 20:16.07 | nevcairiel | writes an addon named !!TorhalLoader which loads all of torhals addons early |
| 20:16.12 | Torhal | Semlar: It's amazing how much you learn by doing a fuckton of code that ends up being a really bad idea. |
| 20:16.13 | MysticalOS | heh valid point gnar, ace3 i run as stand alone so it's at top of list :) |
| 20:16.35 | Semlar | okay torhal's giving me the green light on this |
| 20:16.38 | Torhal | nevcairiel: So mean :/ |
| 20:16.38 | Gnarfoz | MysticalOS: yeah :| |
| 20:16.56 | Semlar | he's calling it a learning experience |
| 20:16.58 | End_ | at worst case you horribly crash your client |
| 20:17.47 | Gnarfoz | for me, it's ACP |
| 20:17.50 | End_ | I don't recommend hiding WorldFrame...I don't think it caused a crash when I last tried it, but I think it prevented any input from being recognized |
| 20:18.11 | nevcairiel | Semlar: taint is probably only a small problem, t he world map is not exactly a secure environment (except all those damn blob frames), but it sounds like it'll break everythign that trys to interact with the world map |
| 20:18.39 | Semlar | nah it won't break stuff that interacts with it unless it's from taint |
| 20:19.36 | Semlar | as far as i can tell it works perfectly fine except that the taintlog was actually breaking the dropdown menu code as a result |
| 20:21.04 | Semlar | so i had to turn the taintlog off or it would throw errors in-game |
| 20:21.33 | Semlar | although that wasn't actually from reparenting it, i think it was from replacing one of the world map functions |
| 20:22.36 | Semlar | mapster does the same thing so i'm guessing it would also cause the taintlog to break it |
| 20:23.46 | Vladinator | Ace! |
| 20:23.57 | Vladinator | tomQuest2 :( |
| 20:24.00 | Vladinator | Message: Usage: AddTrackedAchievement(achievementID) Time: 09/16/12 22:23:15 Count: 48 Stack: (tail call): ? |
| 20:25.01 | g0urra | 4x [ADDON_ACTION_BLOCKED] AddOn "ReforgeLite" tried to call the protected function "CompactRaidFrame1:Show()". |
| 20:25.02 | g0urra | -.- |
| 20:25.18 | g0urra | yay random error messages |
| 20:25.29 | g0urra | happens every time I cast Shadowfiend while in a group |
| 20:25.42 | Vladinator | :D |
| 20:26.39 | mckenziemc | packages Torhal inside an addon called ZZ Top. |
| 20:27.56 | Torhal | packages mckenziemc in concrete. |
| 20:30.24 | Vladinator | isn't it better if "if not aid or not duration or not elapsed then" becomes "if (not aid) or (not duration) or (not elapsed) then" ? |
| 20:30.44 | Semlar | no |
| 20:31.02 | Vladinator | I think Torhal told me long time ago to watch it when using not and or in my if checks. |
| 20:31.26 | Torhal | No, the first is perfectly fine. |
| 20:31.40 | Semlar | you only need the parentheses if you're grouping conditions |
| 20:31.42 | Torhal | Using parenthesis in Lua for anything other than disambiguation is obnoxious. |
| 20:32.00 | Torhal | This isn't C - you don't need that shit in most cases. |
| 20:32.19 | mckenziemc | well, to a newb programmer that could be ambiguous, but yeah |
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| 20:32.31 | mckenziemc | that's something that they should learn to parse correctly anyway :p |
| 20:32.32 | Vladinator | I don't know, weird :P |
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| 20:35.33 | Vladinator | is there any case where I'd wanna use () regarding "not" statements? if not then I guess its only when mixing and/or |
| 20:39.31 | End_ | you'd want to use parenthesis with not if you're wrapping an and or an or |
| 20:39.36 | End_ | so same thing, really |
| 20:39.38 | Torhal | Vladinator: http://www.lua.org/manual/5.0/manual.html <-- Written for Lua 5.0, but still relevant. Search for "precedence" |
| 20:40.12 | Vladinator | hehe |
| 20:40.14 | Vladinator | not is last :P |
| 20:40.24 | Vladinator | well, almost, ^ ofc |
| 20:41.14 | Shirik | you all got the wrong answer |
| 20:41.20 | Torhal | That means: "and not expression" would evaluate "and" before" "not" |
| 20:41.25 | Shirik | You want to use parentheses at any time it's not insanely obvious what you're doing |
| 20:41.38 | mckenziemc | lua> (not Shirik) |
| 20:41.38 | lua_bot | mckenziemc: true |
| 20:41.47 | Shirik | if you have to ask "what's the operator precedence here" then you should use parentheses |
| 20:41.49 | zenzelezz | Shirik: or you just prefer the style |
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| 20:42.22 | Torhal | Shirik: Yes, but using them "just because" is obnoxious, in Lua. |
| 20:42.32 | Vladinator | I know |
| 20:42.33 | Torhal | If I'm writing C or C++, yes, I use them. |
| 20:42.35 | Torhal | I HAVE to. |
| 20:42.37 | Shirik | There's a difference between "just because" and "for clarity" |
| 20:42.42 | Torhal | There is, in deed. |
| 20:43.04 | End_ | I think I stopped using them in lua after I started writing a lot more python |
| 20:43.09 | Vladinator | I've seen a lot of "if ( a == 1 ) then" in blizzards code |
| 20:43.16 | Vladinator | how do you feel, Torhal? :P |
| 20:43.19 | Torhal | Vladinator: They use a C-esque style |
| 20:43.25 | Torhal | They also use semicolons |
| 20:43.30 | Torhal | Which is C-esque |
| 20:43.44 | End_ | semicolons look really weird to me in lua now |
| 20:43.49 | Vladinator | they do |
| 20:44.00 | End_ | I never really used them much to start with though |
| 20:44.15 | Subspace | Are they ever mandatory? |
| 20:44.25 | Shirik | ggVG$A;<esc> |
| 20:44.27 | Semlar | if you want to put multiple things on one line |
| 20:44.31 | Shirik | Subspace: Yes, very very rarely |
| 20:44.33 | Shirik | Semlar: Incorrect |
| 20:44.38 | Gnarfoz | Semlar: no |
| 20:45.00 | Subspace | I'm used to C, so I have been using them a ton |
| 20:45.02 | End_ | yeah there's like one or two places where your meaning can be ambigious otherwise (so it assumes one statement) |
| 20:45.09 | Subspace | There any big deal to using them? |
| 20:45.17 | End_ | you don't normally write code that will trip that up though |
| 20:45.25 | Gnarfoz | Subspace: no, doesn't matter |
| 20:45.36 | Shirik | lua> print(loadstring("t = {}\n(...)()")) |
| 20:45.36 | lua_bot | Shirik: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'loadstring' (a nil value) |
| 20:45.39 | Shirik | what! |
| 20:45.44 | Shirik | --> print(loadstring("t = {}\n(...)()")) |
| 20:45.45 | batbot | Shirik: function: 0x1dc62d0 |
| 20:45.47 | Shirik | no fu |
| 20:45.52 | Shirik | that's supposed to be ambiguous |
| 20:45.54 | Shirik | oh |
| 20:45.55 | mikma | failrik |
| 20:46.01 | Torhal | ~failrik |
| 20:46.01 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 20:46.10 | Shirik | wait no that is ambiguous what didi do wrong |
| 20:46.15 | Shirik | oh |
| 20:46.19 | mikma | you didi |
| 20:46.22 | Shirik | --> print(loadstring("t = ({})\n(...)()")) |
| 20:46.22 | batbot | Shirik: nil [string "t = ({})..."]:2: ambiguous syntax (function call x new statement) near '(' |
| 20:47.08 | End_ | oh I thought it just tried to make do |
| 20:47.09 | End_ | guess not! |
| 20:47.18 | End_ | --> print(loadstring("t = ({})(...)()")) |
| 20:47.18 | batbot | End_: function: 0x1d85770 |
| 20:47.46 | End_ | okay, but without the newline, it's pretty sure it might not mean two statements |
| 20:47.58 | Shirik | yeah |
| 20:47.58 | End_ | (which is okay) |
| 20:48.08 | Shirik | once you add a newline is when it starts going "ok what did you REALLY mean" |
| 20:48.20 | End_ | --> print(loadstring("t = ({}) (...)()")) |
| 20:48.20 | batbot | End_: function: 0x1de5c60 |
| 20:48.26 | End_ | even some whitespace is okay |
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| 21:10.02 | Vladinator | updated my group roll addon |
| 21:10.23 | Vladinator | finally I can focus on playing and not rolling :P |
| 21:10.29 | Vladinator | auto rolls for the win |
| 21:16.37 | mckenziemc | rolls Vladinator back. |
| 21:19.39 | Mr_Rabies | <Amarande> Mr_Rabies, I'm guessing you're on a low pop server and getting exactly the issue I predicted about resources when CRZ hit? |
| 21:19.46 | Mr_Rabies | nah, our resources have been crap since before CRZ |
| 21:20.25 | Mr_Rabies | it's a lower-end-of-medium pop server where no one has the patience to farm resources anymore, and it's not worth gold sellers to farm on it, i guess |
| 21:20.32 | Mr_Rabies | we rarely even get gold spam in trade chat |
| 21:20.43 | Kraps | Amarande isnt here |
| 21:20.44 | Mr_Rabies | i have badboy set to alert me to report spammers |
| 21:20.45 | Mr_Rabies | doh |
| 21:21.04 | Kraps | torhal flipped on him |
| 21:21.09 | Kraps | it was funny |
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| 21:43.49 | Arrowmaster | when |
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| 22:07.59 | Neffi | Why is it common convention to give .ttf files completely meaningless and cryptic names? |
| 22:08.14 | Neffi | This is worse than how people used to label MP3s on Napster |
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| 22:22.13 | Vladinator | Neffi: I have no clue :/ |
| 22:22.33 | Vladinator | there is no file naming convention for fonts |
| 22:22.44 | Vladinator | in general no file naming convention on windows so people just name stuff weirdly :P |
| 22:23.07 | Vladinator | not sure how unix is but being caps sensitive I am sure people are a bit more careful in their naming and such |
| 22:25.33 | Arrowmaster | file names dont matter for fonts |
| 22:25.59 | mckenziemc | that's beside the point |
| 22:58.05 | Neffi | If WoW read from the font cache, font names would not matter to me, no |
| 22:58.24 | Neffi | If it rendered fonts well, I would probably also not be going through 2 dozen of them to find one that fits |
| 22:58.37 | Vladinator | :D |
| 22:58.59 | Vladinator | just be happy you aren't let's say, cyrillic user, having to find fonts that are specifically mapped with blizzards font mapping :D |
| 22:59.05 | Neffi | lol |
| 23:00.10 | Stanzilla | looking for a firefox user |
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| 23:01.20 | mckenziemc | hi |
| 23:02.13 | Vladinator | I am |
| 23:02.20 | Vladinator | 15.0.1 |
| 23:02.53 | Stanzilla | mckenziemc Vladinator http://stantown.de/sdp/joomla/ |
| 23:02.56 | Stanzilla | does the main nav look ok? |
| 23:03.02 | Stanzilla | like, properly aligned? |
| 23:03.21 | Vladinator | joomla :P |
| 23:03.29 | Stanzilla | yes don't hate. not my fault |
| 23:03.57 | Vladinator | http://i.imgur.com/PSdj9.jpg |
| 23:04.22 | Adys_ | I launched l4d in wine and it set itself to 640x480 fullscreen (I have two monitors on 1680x1050). Now my left monitor is mirroring whats on my right monitor at 640x480 resolution even after exiting the game. any idea wtf happened here? |
| 23:04.23 | Vladinator | relax, I know one would expect any kind of framework or langauge to be bashed by someone in this channel, but I am not one of those people, just saying you forgot to change the default icon :P |
| 23:04.35 | Stanzilla | Vladinator: thanks |
| 23:04.59 | Vladinator | with no javascript top buttons aren't red |
| 23:05.10 | Stanzilla | yeah probably |
| 23:05.12 | Vladinator | should make the default css make them red or something, so they appear the same with and without js on |
| 23:05.15 | Vladinator | ^^ |
| 23:05.23 | Vladinator | noscript :D |
| 23:05.35 | Vladinator | Hexenmeister! |
| 23:05.36 | Vladinator | :d |
| 23:05.45 | Vladinator | Schurken :D |
| 23:05.47 | Vladinator | funny names |
| 23:06.19 | Vladinator | Prest, Paladin, Shaman, Magiker, Dødsritter, Druid, Skurk, Jeger, Heksemester and Kriger |
| 23:06.26 | Vladinator | on norwegian I guess :P |
| 23:08.59 | Stanzilla | I don't even care about noscript users |
| 23:09.26 | Stanzilla | also the code of the piece of shit made me rage way too much the last few days |
| 23:09.55 | Vladinator | no but you should consider users without javascript, not every device supports javascript so it's good to perhaps make the output stand on itself, I think so at least. |
| 23:10.04 | Torhal | reinstalls Stanzilla. |
| 23:10.24 | Stanzilla | leave me alone |
| 23:10.27 | Vladinator | joomla is not bad though, I don't use it myself but it looks okay I guess, building a site on a framework and so others can update it if they have to. |
| 23:10.50 | Stanzilla | also I want the colors of the firefox webtools as a notepad++ theme |
| 23:11.07 | Vladinator | Database pokes Stanzilla. |
| 23:11.07 | Vladinator | :P |
| 23:16.27 | Gnarfoz | wasn't joomla replaced by something else |
| 23:21.00 | Vladinator | speak up if someone knows :P |
| 23:21.09 | Stanzilla | it wasnt |
| 23:21.37 | Stanzilla | man I love those colors but I'm too lazy to create a theme myself :< |
| 23:21.44 | Vladinator | :( |
| 23:21.47 | Vladinator | lazy Stan |
| 23:23.50 | Stanzilla | I'm doing that now |
| 23:31.30 | znf | Vladinator, every device these days supports javascript |
| 23:31.42 | znf | and if it doesn't (like, dumb phone), it doesn't cater to their audience |
| 23:32.01 | Vladinator | it's my experience that even if it supports javascript, phones display the visuals differently :< |
| 23:32.30 | Vladinator | what happens on the browser doesn't always happen on the phone and such, so I've given up on javascript for sites that are to work on phones and computers, unless I really have to use js :D |
| 23:32.35 | Vladinator | but yes I know, znf |
| 23:32.40 | Stanzilla | http://i.imgur.com/rHhiT.png |
| 23:32.42 | Stanzilla | great success |
| 23:32.43 | Stanzilla | rofl |
| 23:33.18 | Vladinator | great success |
| 23:33.22 | znf | what's "Schwingen" mean? :P |
| 23:33.27 | Semlar | swingin |
| 23:33.43 | Stanzilla | wings |
| 23:33.49 | Vladinator | btw why don't you code it in a programming language of any sort, Stanzilla? |
| 23:33.54 | Vladinator | :# |
| 23:34.06 | Stanzilla | because notepad++ has a theming tool |
| 23:34.11 | Vladinator | awesome |
| 23:34.14 | randomDude | NO |
| 23:34.34 | randomDude | omfg tables |
| 23:34.38 | Vladinator | you have mysql.txt opened, MYSQL!!! |
| 23:34.45 | Vladinator | postgresql 4 T win |
| 23:34.46 | Stanzilla | OMG |
| 23:35.00 | randomDude | Stanzilla: i will kill you brutha |
| 23:35.06 | Vladinator | lol |
| 23:35.07 | Stanzilla | why |
| 23:35.28 | randomDude | <jackie chan: why /> |
| 23:35.44 | Vladinator | this is more proper html, randomDude: <jackie chan="why"/> |
| 23:35.58 | randomDude | why would chan equal why |
| 23:36.04 | Stanzilla | my html is fine :< |
| 23:36.07 | Stanzilla | its just a stupid table |
| 23:36.17 | randomDude | like your face |
| 23:36.22 | Vladinator | btw, I wouldn't use width/height on the table and let the parent decide :< |
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| 23:37.06 | Stanzilla | I did not even create it :D |
| 23:37.08 | Vladinator | oh no, alestane coming to ban us! |
| 23:37.25 | Vladinator | don't worry I am just messing with you Stan |
| 23:37.31 | alestane | Watch out, I'm short on soul shards right now. |
| 23:37.52 | Vladinator | alestane |
| 23:38.23 | Vladinator | why so many outdated addons? :( |
| 23:38.43 | alestane | What, mine? |
| 23:38.49 | Vladinator | ye |
| 23:38.57 | alestane | Most of them don't break quickly. |
| 23:39.07 | Vladinator | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/search.php?search=alestane&title&author&page=1&so=desc&sb=hits |
| 23:39.11 | Vladinator | maybe different alestane :P |
| 23:39.34 | alestane | Although I need to make one update to HealThyself and apparently they broke Expose'. |
| 23:40.10 | alestane | A bunch of the add-ons I uploaded were also one-offs I made as examples and not really intended to be maintained. |
| 23:42.36 | alestane | Most of them still work, Vladinator; I think they've been moved to "Outdated" because I haven't had to do anything to fix them in several patches. |
| 23:42.44 | Vladinator | ye |
| 23:43.00 | alestane | I don't usually upload new versions just to refresh the interface number. |
| 23:43.20 | Vladinator | I think it's sufficient to edit and bump the patch support only, ye? |
| 23:44.03 | Vladinator | dolby: sometimes my addon list only shows comments :( |
| 23:44.24 | dolby | link? |
| 23:44.28 | Vladinator | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/author-22842.html |
| 23:44.31 | Vladinator | for example right now |
| 23:44.40 | dolby | shows them all for me |
| 23:44.45 | dolby | what browser? |
| 23:44.57 | Vladinator | firefox 15.0. something |
| 23:45.15 | Vladinator | it shows randomly |
| 23:45.17 | dolby | got a pic? so i can see how its now showing? |
| 23:45.18 | Stanzilla | http://i.imgur.com/vLG7a.png |
| 23:45.19 | Vladinator | and randomly doesn't |
| 23:45.20 | Stanzilla | getting there |
| 23:45.33 | Vladinator | now it shows again :P |
| 23:46.47 | dolby | looking good in FF15 and Chrome. hmmm. well i'll keep an eye on it. no other reports yet |
| 23:46.54 | Vladinator | I know |
| 23:46.56 | Vladinator | it's just random |
| 23:47.02 | Vladinator | it doesn't last permanently :S |
| 23:47.03 | Vladinator | it's weird |
| 23:47.04 | dolby | if you can get me a pic when it happens that would be great |
| 23:47.07 | Vladinator | ye |
| 23:47.36 | dolby | theres no caching on that page so hrm |
| 23:48.48 | *** join/#wowuidev Vladinator1 (~Vladinato@102.111.45.31.customer.cdi.no) |
| 23:48.55 | Vladinator1 | sorry got a dc |
| 23:49.09 | Vladinator1 | "(01:47:21) dolby: theres no caching on that page so hrm" |
| 23:49.41 | znf | lol wow glitch |
| 23:49.56 | znf | if you dominate mind a lvl 1-2-3 mob, the mob gets 90k hp :D |
| 23:49.58 | Vladinator1 | then I wanted to say that I can try find you html code or something, next time it happens. |
| 23:50.03 | Vladinator1 | ^^ |
| 23:50.06 | Vladinator1 | isn't that intended? |
| 23:50.18 | Vladinator1 | maybe master stats carries over to your "pet" |
| 23:50.42 | znf | after you stop controllign it, it's left with 90k hp :P |
| 23:50.47 | Vladinator1 | oh |
| 23:50.52 | Vladinator1 | that's intended |
| 23:50.58 | Vladinator1 | :P |
| 23:51.01 | znf | now, what would happen if I would go into a starting area and mind control all monsters there? :D |
| 23:51.06 | Vladinator1 | do it |
| 23:51.07 | Vladinator1 | DO IT |
| 23:51.08 | *** join/#wowuidev karl_w_w (~karl@101.116.183.14) |
| 23:51.10 | Vladinator1 | DOOO IIITT |
| 23:51.16 | Vladinator1 | mop launch |
| 23:51.19 | Vladinator1 | all mobs 90k hp |
| 23:52.12 | *** join/#wowuidev kd3 (~Kaydeethr@wowwiki/Kaydeethree) |
| 23:52.14 | znf | :> |
| 23:58.23 | karl_w_w | it's a good thing jason statham exists |
| 23:58.40 | karl_w_w | there'd be no action movies otherwise |
| 23:59.36 | karl_w_w | it's not like yesteryear when you had sly stallone and schwarzenegger and van damme and the like |
