| 00:10.45 | starlon | There's no way to remove an enchant from an item is there? |
| 00:11.41 | mckenziemc | put it in void storage |
| 00:12.00 | mckenziemc | why does wowhead only have three cities listed for Darkmoon Faire Mystic Mage locations |
| 00:12.24 | pompy | because its wowhead |
| 00:12.51 | mckenziemc | oh o |
| 00:12.52 | mckenziemc | k |
| 00:14.05 | pompy | mckenziemc: the comments cover the other locations |
| 00:14.14 | pompy | i guess the bros at wowhead think that'll do ;) |
| 00:14.59 | pompy | their inscription section is completely fucked up (or was? - not sure.) .. but yeah. |
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| 00:34.23 | Vladinator | btw |
| 00:34.38 | Vladinator | hotel california song, not by eagles, can't find it :P |
| 00:35.38 | Vladinator | by Buena Vista Social Club but youtube sucks |
| 00:35.52 | Vladinator | "oh I see a popular name, I only show you those hits and gtfo with the rest of your query" |
| 00:35.53 | Vladinator | :P |
| 00:36.21 | Maldivia | why would you want anything but the Eagles version!? |
| 00:36.31 | Vladinator | I liked their guitar work :3 |
| 00:39.33 | Amarande | heh, quite many of my searches regarding USB power overdraw instead tried to give me links to pages regarding overdrafting from US Bank :P |
| 00:39.50 | Amarande | yay for search engine cackups |
| 00:40.17 | Jamash | Vladinator: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jb8Pr4ozw94 |
| 00:40.31 | Amarande | also running Firefox Aurora and trying to google for errors often has the search engine think I want to refer to Aurora, CO instead, due to the big tragedy that occurred there this year |
| 00:40.38 | Vladinator | Jamash: :P |
| 00:41.15 | Adys | Anyone for some portal 2 coop? |
| 00:42.19 | TC-Work | I'm sure there are |
| 00:42.44 | Vladinator | 0240 :P |
| 00:42.51 | Vladinator | should had slept 1h 40m ago |
| 00:43.05 | TC-Work | it's the weekend though |
| 00:44.33 | Vladinator | ye |
| 00:44.39 | Vladinator | btw did they break npcscan? |
| 00:44.53 | Vladinator | leveled 80-84 no alert |
| 00:44.55 | Vladinator | kind of odd |
| 00:44.56 | Vladinator | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:45.08 | Vladinator | usually getting some at least. got all the npcs added ;) |
| 00:47.51 | Vladinator | Torhal do you play wow? |
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| 00:54.34 | Vladinator | I like The Big Lebowski - Hotel California :p |
| 00:54.46 | Vladinator | funny band name, The Gipsy Kings :P |
| 00:55.12 | Vladinator | now I close my eyes an I am on a hotel in spain or grand canaria |
| 00:55.22 | Vladinator | I guess that'd be equal to hawaii for you americans :P |
| 00:55.44 | mckenziemc | sends Vladinator to Siberia. |
| 00:55.54 | Jamash | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=os_N-LCNr-I |
| 00:56.16 | Vladinator | :P |
| 00:56.20 | pompy | Vladinator: Torhal just works on the addons within game. doesnt play |
| 00:56.39 | Vladinator | pompy: that's why I ask, I had a perioid I only fixed my addons, didn't play at all :P |
| 00:56.54 | Vladinator | how ever silly it sounds it happens to not play wow :P |
| 00:57.37 | Jamash | I play but don't fix my addons >.> |
| 00:58.01 | Jamash | that's not really true, I'm just slow |
| 00:58.32 | Vladinator | it's still better than Stanzilla, he idles only and he doesn't fix any addons :P |
| 00:58.40 | Vladinator | Stanzilla: you here? |
| 00:58.45 | Vladinator | I am poking you. |
| 00:59.16 | Vladinator | he'll come around |
| 00:59.19 | mckenziemc | no you aren't |
| 01:01.01 | pompy | hes probably sleepin |
| 01:02.44 | Vladinator | this early? |
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| 01:08.49 | Stanzilla | yeah he should be |
| 01:11.26 | foxlit | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44203 |
| 01:11.41 | foxlit | I... it.... no... nevermind, I give up. |
| 01:14.13 | Jamash | I understand what he wants but I don't think he does |
| 01:19.21 | Jamash | he wants to scale an average of a sliding window of samples to a fixed interval of -10 to +10 |
| 01:20.34 | Jamash | but he hasn't yet realized that he has to figure out how to determine the min/max display values before he can scale the sample average |
| 01:25.37 | Esamynn | Primer: seems the default UI battlefieldminimap has an ugly bug where it spams WMU every frame if you're not on the "current" map |
| 01:28.28 | Shirik | (18:14:07) (Jamash) I understand what he wants but I don't think he does |
| 01:28.33 | Shirik | Can we have more of you be requirements analysts please? |
| 01:28.45 | Vladinator | he wasnts to estimate the values in the future based on past values? |
| 01:28.57 | Jamash | nope! |
| 01:29.07 | Jamash | (@vlad) |
| 01:29.09 | Vladinator | explain simply :P |
| 01:29.39 | Jamash | he wants to scale a number in an input range to a fixed output range |
| 01:29.46 | Jamash | problem is he doesn't know what the input range is |
| 01:31.49 | Vladinator | how can he not? :/ |
| 01:32.06 | Vladinator | is it variable like combat data? |
| 01:32.12 | Jamash | yeah, based on mana in/out |
| 01:32.16 | Vladinator | aha |
| 01:32.33 | Vladinator | so why not gather some data and get a range, then start show the data "in future"? |
| 01:32.33 | Jamash | Shirik: are you hiring? |
| 01:32.46 | Jamash | tell him that :P |
| 01:32.49 | Shirik | I wish we had requirements analysts :( |
| 01:33.05 | Jamash | my requirements analysis is that you need a requirements analyst |
| 01:33.07 | Vladinator | I've had two courses with requirement analysis |
| 01:33.12 | Vladinator | when doing my degree |
| 01:33.18 | Jamash | what's your degree in? |
| 01:33.23 | Vladinator | computer science |
| 01:33.25 | Jamash | woo |
| 01:33.43 | Jamash | I have about 7/16 of a degree in CS |
| 01:34.00 | Jamash | due to medical problems |
| 01:34.34 | Esamynn | d'oh |
| 01:34.38 | Vladinator | hunters need 8% hit to never miss right? |
| 01:34.41 | Vladinator | still same value? :P |
| 01:34.47 | Vladinator | 5% base and 3% extra for the levels |
| 01:35.07 | Vladinator | if so over all these years hunter hit requirements have not changed at all LOL |
| 01:35.40 | Jamash | expertise brah :/ |
| 01:36.04 | Stanzilla | it's 7.5% |
| 01:36.48 | Jamash | 7.5% hit *and* 7.5% expertise |
| 01:38.17 | Vladinator | expertise? |
| 01:38.31 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 01:38.32 | Jamash | yeah, hunters need it now |
| 01:38.33 | Vladinator | glhf dodging mah bullets? |
| 01:38.36 | Vladinator | jeez |
| 01:39.01 | Vladinator | put the guy who said hunters need expertise and we see if he can dodge some bullets or arrows with his 100% expertise rating :P |
| 01:39.43 | durcyn | patchnotes.txt |
| 01:39.52 | Vladinator | haven't played my hunter in 2 years |
| 01:39.59 | Vladinator | 84 atm :P |
| 01:40.04 | durcyn | it didn't change two years ago, it changed two weeks ago |
| 01:40.06 | Vladinator | so haven't read anything about misshit stuff |
| 01:40.10 | Vladinator | lol |
| 01:40.28 | Vladinator | get the pitchforks, the programmer probably has a trail behind him |
| 01:40.35 | Vladinator | it's not too late to get him |
| 01:40.58 | Jamash | eh, I've always thought it was a little weird that hunters didn't need melee expertise *or* spell hit for raiding |
| 01:41.04 | durcyn | you should consider a sedative. |
| 01:41.11 | Jamash | although there were a few things with spell hit blah blah long ago |
| 01:41.16 | Vladinator | isn't hit enough to not miss with your bullets? :p |
| 01:41.32 | Jamash | hit is enough to not miss, but expertise is what you need to not be dodged :P |
| 01:41.37 | durcyn | ranged attacks can be deflected. the corresponding stat is expertise. |
| 01:41.46 | durcyn | the end. |
| 01:41.49 | Vladinator | sounds stupid :p |
| 01:41.56 | Jamash | your face sounds stupid :p |
| 01:42.11 | Vladinator | your :P sounds stupid |
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| 01:42.26 | pompy | Vladinator: this early? its like 3am in his land |
| 01:42.32 | durcyn | correspondingly, the amount of hit required was halved. this is not problematic, it was done to normalize agility mail itemization. |
| 01:42.37 | pompy | personally, thats early for me :) |
| 01:42.39 | Stanzilla | pompy: 3:42 |
| 01:42.44 | pompy | yup |
| 01:42.52 | Vladinator | 3:42 here too |
| 01:42.55 | pompy | +6 hrs from EST |
| 01:43.27 | Semlar | EST is best ST |
| 01:44.20 | Vladinator | GTM+-<insert hours here> anyone? |
| 01:44.41 | Stanzilla | 2 |
| 01:44.53 | Stanzilla | and it's GMT :( |
| 01:49.08 | Primer | Esamynn: Good to know |
| 01:49.34 | Primer | I'm now finding that I can't see my arrow on the main map at times |
| 01:49.50 | Primer | I just saw it going UNDER a piece of the map |
| 01:49.57 | Primer | I'm using Mapster |
| 01:50.33 | Semlar | maybe it's shy |
| 01:52.23 | mckenziemc | maybe it's a sowbug |
| 01:56.27 | Primer | well, that's here at worn on wine, where I have it set to opengl |
| 01:56.36 | Primer | not seeing PB4 portraits either |
| 01:56.41 | Primer | but whatever, time to go home |
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| 02:14.33 | pompy | 生日快樂 |
| 02:15.10 | mckenziemc | die pompy |
| 02:15.35 | Semlar | whose birthday is it |
| 02:15.43 | pompy | lol |
| 02:18.20 | Amarande | Queen Elizabeth I's, apparently |
| 02:19.20 | mckenziemc | zomg |
| 02:19.38 | mckenziemc | did amarande use google? |
| 02:19.49 | Amarande | also the chess masters Philidor and Zukertort, and one of the founders of HP |
| 02:19.57 | Amarande | wikipedia, mckenziemc. wikipedia |
| 02:23.55 | Torhal | [19:47:51] <Vladinator> Torhal do you play wow? <-- WAT? |
| 02:24.09 | Vladinator | :( |
| 02:24.41 | End_ | Torhal only plays warhammer online |
| 02:25.13 | Torhal | End_: Put the crack-pipe down. Seriously. |
| 02:25.29 | End_ | heh |
| 02:25.32 | starlon | Is there still a website that keeps up with the AH markets across realms? |
| 02:25.53 | mckenziemc | the undermine journal |
| 02:25.54 | Torhal | starlon: I never understood that. |
| 02:26.10 | starlon | Why? |
| 02:26.11 | Torhal | Truegold is 160k on my realm! |
| 02:26.15 | End_ | what |
| 02:26.17 | Torhal | It's 20k on mine! |
| 02:26.21 | End_ | oh |
| 02:26.23 | Torhal | It's 3g on mine! |
| 02:26.32 | Torhal | "I'mma transfer! $25!" |
| 02:26.37 | Torhal | ... |
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| 02:26.40 | Torhal | headdesks. |
| 02:26.46 | starlon | No it gave an average. |
| 02:26.50 | Torhal | No shit |
| 02:26.54 | Torhal | But seriously? |
| 02:26.56 | Torhal | WTF. |
| 02:26.56 | starlon | They kept up with it. |
| 02:27.08 | starlon | Well it'd give you a ballpark figure. |
| 02:27.23 | Torhal | Are you really going to pay $25 because a commodity that's only valid for 2 years is lower on one realm? |
| 02:27.26 | pompy | Torhal's point still stands |
| 02:27.35 | Torhal | For a week? |
| 02:27.37 | starlon | I'm not paying money. |
| 02:27.37 | Torhal | :D |
| 02:27.48 | Torhal | Just saying - that's the ONLY reaon such sites would be valid. |
| 02:27.50 | pompy | damnit starlon :P |
| 02:27.55 | pompy | ^ |
| 02:27.58 | Torhal | Because they cannot control market prices per realm. |
| 02:27.59 | starlon | I don't get it. |
| 02:28.17 | starlon | No, but they can give you an idea what teebu's blazing longsword might go for. |
| 02:28.18 | Torhal | Having an average across all realms tells you exactly jack shit. |
| 02:28.31 | Torhal | If it's 3g o one realm and 200k on another... |
| 02:28.35 | pompy | allakhazam used to/still does have that kinda feature |
| 02:28.37 | Torhal | What's your average? :P |
| 02:28.55 | pompy | 500 inches |
| 02:29.04 | End_ | I tried to use TUJ when I was transferring my characters from one realm to another, but all it really told me was stuff was a lot cheaper on the realm I was transferring to |
| 02:29.13 | starlon | How much would you expect to pay for something if you saw it on wowhead that it goes for 5k each? |
| 02:29.16 | mckenziemc | Torhal: no it isn't |
| 02:29.23 | Torhal | pompy: Stop attaching silly-putty to your wang, kthx. |
| 02:29.34 | Amarande | Torhal: yeah, you only play Korean pay to win grindfest MMOs, right? :D |
| 02:29.54 | End_ | I thought we already went over the MMOs he plays |
| 02:29.55 | starlon | You can tell a lot by data mining, and I'm astonished you don't see that. |
| 02:29.57 | Torhal | Fuck all that, we've gotta get on with the film-show! |
| 02:29.58 | End_ | he only plays |
| 02:30.01 | End_ | anarchy online |
| 02:30.24 | pompy | he plays Hello Kitty Online! |
| 02:30.42 | pompy | 24.7 |
| 02:30.43 | Torhal | starlon: When you have a plethora of realms each with significantly different markets…and the average price is all that is considered…what exactly are you gaining by reading the average? |
| 02:31.04 | starlon | I'm not going to continue this. |
| 02:31.18 | Torhal | In reality, not a damn thing. Sure, it may go for 200k on one realm, and 3g on another. |
| 02:31.24 | Torhal | No, this is basic math |
| 02:31.36 | starlon | It goes for whatever a person will pay for it. It doesn't matter what realm you're on. |
| 02:31.38 | End_ | TUJ does also tell you price history for just your own realm if you want |
| 02:31.40 | Torhal | I am genuinely surious. I am not attempting to argue |
| 02:31.42 | Torhal | FFS |
| 02:31.45 | mckenziemc | he didn't ask for an average across realms, Torhal |
| 02:31.48 | Torhal | s/surious/curious/ |
| 02:31.55 | starlon | People are going to pay some gold for a rare item. You may not known it's rare until you see an average that suggests so. |
| 02:32.21 | Torhal | All I am saying is that one realm's economy does not distate another's. |
| 02:32.29 | Torhal | If it DID, Blizzard would have merged them all years ago. |
| 02:32.36 | Torhal | dictate* |
| 02:32.46 | mckenziemc | cool story |
| 02:32.46 | starlon | Right, but it doesn't say anything about degrading AH trackers across realms. :P |
| 02:32.58 | pompy | starlon: http://www.wowecon.com seems kinda dead tho! |
| 02:33.06 | starlon | heh |
| 02:33.07 | Torhal | Ok, if they have a timeline history, look at that |
| 02:33.16 | Torhal | If they have actual prices per realm... |
| 02:33.29 | Torhal | But looking at an average to see which realm is best is batshit. |
| 02:33.44 | mckenziemc | and you're the only one who suggested it |
| 02:33.46 | Torhal | WHen the transfer fee is 425 |
| 02:33.54 | Torhal | stabs mckenziemc. |
| 02:33.57 | Torhal | Fuck off? |
| 02:34.08 | starlon | No I agree; you wouldn't put too much weight into that, but it'll tell you more than Auctioneer if the addon never saw the item before. |
| 02:34.08 | pompy | torhal, how many typing mistakes you gunna make!? |
| 02:34.12 | Torhal | s/425/$25/ |
| 02:34.23 | Torhal | pompy: Until I get sleep? ALL OF THEM. |
| 02:34.35 | mckenziemc | sedates Torhal |
| 02:34.40 | pompy | s/WHen/When/ |
| 02:34.51 | Torhal | stabs mckenziemc with Amarande. Thrice. |
| 02:34.55 | Ackis | Torhal: use two hands |
| 02:35.03 | Torhal | Ackis: I will delete you. |
| 02:35.05 | Ackis | you're kind of violent tonight |
| 02:35.10 | Torhal | Tonight? |
| 02:35.18 | Ackis | usually you're not this violent |
| 02:35.24 | mckenziemc | time for detox |
| 02:35.28 | Torhal | Apparently you haven't been paying attention for the past two weeks. |
| 02:35.44 | Ackis | I kind of have you tuned out unless I'm talking to you/it's MSN |
| 02:36.01 | Torhal | And I've been a violent fuck on MSN, have I not? |
| 02:36.06 | Torhal | I am fucking TIRED. |
| 02:36.15 | Torhal | Sleep will not come. |
| 02:36.20 | Ackis | not really, you've been nice and supportive to my rewrite of collectinator 2.0 |
| 02:36.23 | Ackis | have you seen a doctor? |
| 02:36.27 | Torhal | Newp. |
| 02:36.34 | Ackis | no sleep for too long == bad methinks |
| 02:36.35 | Torhal | I just abuse you and pompy. |
| 02:36.41 | Ackis | abuse me? lulz |
| 02:36.45 | Ackis | ~ackis |
| 02:36.45 | purl | i guess ackis is A person who can code, but just doesn't know how to type. Master of Torhal and Pompy. |
| 02:36.55 | Ackis | that says I'm the master beotch |
| 02:37.01 | End_ | ~pompy |
| 02:37.01 | purl | hmm... pompy is magical too |
| 02:37.07 | End_ | touche purl, touche |
| 02:37.22 | Torhal | no, purl, ackis is A Canadian bastitch who deludes himself into thinking those who have taken over his Empire work for him. |
| 02:37.34 | Torhal | Fuck you, purl. |
| 02:37.38 | Ackis | lol |
| 02:37.45 | Ackis | :) |
| 02:37.47 | Ackis | get owned |
| 02:38.19 | mckenziemc | ~fail Torhal |
| 02:38.20 | purl | You suck at everything in life, Torhal. I hate you because you fail. |
| 02:38.21 | Torhal | Sorry, Ackis - I'm persona non-gratis. |
| 02:38.46 | pompy | starlon: what server and side |
| 02:38.48 | pompy | are you on |
| 02:39.19 | starlon | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:39.29 | starlon | I'm Blurrs, worgen warrior |
| 02:39.47 | Ackis | ewww alliance |
| 02:39.49 | End_ | not be confused with blurst |
| 02:39.55 | starlon | I was Blursk |
| 02:39.58 | End_ | heh |
| 02:40.03 | starlon | But my friend got onto me about it. |
| 02:40.09 | Torhal | starlon: I do apologize if I was coming off as an asshole, but honestly shit like that makes me go "Why!?!?" |
| 02:40.12 | starlon | Blursk was a music visualization for xmms. |
| 02:40.13 | Torhal | I was curious. |
| 02:40.26 | pompy | starlon: https://theunderminejournal.com/?realm=A-Kilrogg |
| 02:40.28 | starlon | Torhal: no worries. |
| 02:40.39 | End_ | I guess if you got the darkmoon rabbit or something there wouldn' |
| 02:40.48 | Torhal | starlon: No, there are: You took offense, when I sincerely was not trying to give any. |
| 02:40.50 | End_ | t be any data for your realm possibly |
| 02:41.14 | Torhal | I was…debating vehemently? |
| 02:41.17 | Torhal | :D |
| 02:41.22 | starlon | Torhal: I understand entirely. We didn't come out of that with me thinking that. |
| 02:41.29 | End_ | vomitually |
| 02:41.39 | Torhal | End_s End_ |
| 02:41.44 | End_ | is ended. |
| 02:41.48 | End_ | I mean |
| 02:41.48 | Torhal | No |
| 02:41.51 | End_ | is end_ed. |
| 02:41.51 | Torhal | You're End_ed |
| 02:42.13 | mckenziemc | hugs Torhal. |
| 02:42.26 | Torhal | stabs mckenziemc with a cottonball. |
| 02:42.40 | pompy | starlon: that site is probably recent.. has a 'busy sellers' thing at the top and stuff. |
| 02:42.48 | End_ | yeah it is |
| 02:43.09 | Torhal | starlon: You also have to look at how often they sample data. |
| 02:43.14 | End_ | once an hour |
| 02:43.18 | Torhal | For a thing like that I mean |
| 02:43.20 | End_ | which as often as is possible |
| 02:43.26 | Torhal | End_: HOW? :P |
| 02:43.27 | End_ | why do I keep losing words |
| 02:43.32 | End_ | b.net api |
| 02:43.54 | pompy | Torhal: "The Undermine Journal reads most of a realm's Auction House data about once every hour. This fine and consistent granularity of data provides statistical information that was previously impossible or impractical to obtain. " |
| 02:44.14 | Ackis | End_: have you deciphered all the return values of local _, _, _, _, _, _, petName = C_PetJournal.GetPetInfoByPetID(petid)? |
| 02:44.23 | pompy | "Data is collected for every item on the auction house, except for randomly-enchanted weapons and armor." |
| 02:44.25 | End_ | to a point |
| 02:44.39 | Ackis | Torhal: The Undermine Journal is an addon updated as well every few days with that data |
| 02:44.46 | Wobin | Ackis: they look like underscores! |
| 02:44.53 | End_ | local speciesID, customName, level, xp, maxXp, displayID, petName, petIcon, petType, creatureID = C_PetJournal.GetPetInfoByPetID(petID) |
| 02:45.01 | End_ | ^ that's most of the return values |
| 02:45.20 | Ackis | much appreciated |
| 02:45.27 | End_ | there might be a few more..I just pulled a random line out of blizzard's code but you probably don't need anymore |
| 02:45.47 | Ackis | I was playing around with it earlier but had to go look after the wife |
| 02:45.52 | End_ | nods. |
| 02:46.22 | pompy | Ackis: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/6080518526 |
| 02:46.28 | Ackis | but that makes my life easier thanks End_ |
| 02:47.04 | End_ | yeah I've gotten quite good at copying that line from Blizzard_PetJournal |
| 02:47.18 | mckenziemc | lol |
| 02:47.38 | End_ | I really should write some documentation for wowpedia |
| 02:48.00 | End_ | also wowprogramming doesn't like dots in API names |
| 02:48.10 | End_ | (otherwise I might include it too) |
| 02:49.15 | pompy | Ackis: there's GetNumPets() and GetNumCompanions("CRITTER") .. weird! |
| 02:50.30 | End_ | GetNumCompanions only knows about pre-merge pets |
| 02:50.51 | Torhal | Ackis, pompy: Seriously? That's a motherfucking PRESS RELEASE. Not a technical "what we did was"...fuckers. |
| 02:50.59 | Stanzilla | the whole pet interface is the biggest crap ever |
| 02:51.22 | Torhal | Stanzilla: No, it's second to pompy and Ackis with their bullshit copy-pasta. |
| 02:51.27 | Stanzilla | xD |
| 02:52.46 | Ackis | End_: yeah I tried updating wowprogramming but gave up |
| 02:52.50 | Ackis | Torhal: wtf btw? |
| 02:52.53 | Ackis | press release? |
| 02:52.55 | pompy | PRESS RELEASE of what? |
| 02:52.59 | pompy | are the fuck you talking about. |
| 02:53.49 | Torhal | WHat the two of you pasted here was PR bullshit |
| 02:53.56 | Torhal | In answer to my "HOW?" |
| 02:54.18 | Torhal | It was a bunch of non-technical "WHAT". |
| 02:54.26 | Ackis | I didn't paste a fucking thing, you need to take a god damned fucking chill pill and stop blowing up every two seconds |
| 02:54.40 | Torhal | Ackis: Go rewrite Collectinator you hack. |
| 02:55.05 | Ackis | I am you douche |
| 02:55.15 | durcyn | what fresh heck is this |
| 02:55.18 | Torhal | In the latest news, Diablo III MVP implodes: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/6489780839?page=1 |
| 02:56.00 | durcyn | are you two drinking, or is there really trouble in paradise |
| 02:56.23 | Torhal | [21:44:39] <Ackis> Torhal: The Undermine Journal is an addon updated as well every few days with that data |
| 02:56.29 | Ackis | that was me typing it out |
| 02:56.31 | Ackis | not copy paste |
| 02:56.34 | Ackis | I use the damn addon |
| 02:56.43 | Torhal | If you didn't copy/paste that, then you seriously did not nderstand when I said "HOW?" |
| 02:56.53 | Ackis | I approve the updates for it too |
| 02:56.59 | Torhal | as in: HOW are they sampling once per hour. |
| 02:57.01 | Ackis | I didn't read your "HOW" |
| 02:57.43 | Torhal | durcyn: I'm drinking, and I'm on like 25 hours sleep this week and perhaps 20 the previous. |
| 02:57.49 | Torhal | So yes: I am a cranky motherfucker. |
| 02:58.03 | Ackis | hugs and kisses Torhal. |
| 02:58.04 | mckenziemc | remote auction house |
| 02:58.24 | Torhal | stabs Ackis with sunbeams and rainbows. |
| 02:58.35 | Torhal | …repeatedly |
| 02:58.37 | mckenziemc | o.o |
| 02:58.42 | pompy | Torhal: wow has an ah api on the site? |
| 02:58.43 | pompy | idk |
| 02:58.49 | pompy | the bnet site' |
| 02:59.13 | Torhal | pompy: When you stop guessing and give me actual fucking answers, I'll stop berating you as you so obviously deserve. |
| 02:59.13 | End_ | if Torhal cared I might try to find the docs blizzard put on github |
| 02:59.14 | Torhal | DIAMFF. |
| 02:59.33 | Torhal | End_: Don't bother, really. |
| 02:59.36 | pompy | puts a straight jacket on torhal |
| 02:59.38 | End_ | kinda what I figured |
| 02:59.46 | Torhal | It was a semi-rhetorical "HOW?" |
| 02:59.55 | Ressy | Torhal: That MVP is known to tell it like it is. |
| 02:59.59 | Torhal | But when I started getting nonsensical answers... |
| 03:00.06 | Ressy | Some don't like it, which is fine. |
| 03:00.06 | Torhal | That's when I became irate. |
| 03:00.09 | End_ | I'm not sure how that could be rhetorical, but okay |
| 03:00.16 | Torhal | Ressy: I was pretty sure that was relegated to you. |
| 03:00.18 | Ressy | But you definitely can't say he's a suck up. lol |
| 03:00.19 | Torhal | :D |
| 03:00.33 | pompy | torhal: you don't believe in FAQs? |
| 03:00.33 | Ackis | watch out Ressy, he might bite |
| 03:00.40 | End_ | he smells blood |
| 03:00.45 | Ressy | I don't bite back, but I kick |
| 03:01.37 | Torhal | pompy: I believe in fixing ARL's fucking DB myself since the guy who claims it's his fucking JOB and gets defensive when the actual authors of the fucking project do it, won't do it until repeatedly yelled at. |
| 03:01.41 | Torhal | FAQs? |
| 03:01.44 | Torhal | Fuck that shit. |
| 03:02.00 | Torhal | Yes. I just went there. |
| 03:02.04 | Torhal | ARL is broken. |
| 03:02.16 | Torhal | And I keep stopping myself from fixing it. |
| 03:06.19 | Ackis | 21:05DrethicTUJ gets it's data via an excel pull I believe. I don't personally use that method so I'm not that familiar with it. |
| 03:06.21 | Ackis | Torhal: ^ |
| 03:06.31 | Ackis | (whatever that means :P) |
| 03:06.52 | durcyn | isn't there an xls/csv export on the armory |
| 03:07.44 | End_ | json |
| 03:09.21 | Ackis | https://theunderminejournal.com/addon.php?realm= |
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| 03:10.40 | Ackis | so my mother-in-law told me my wifes first impression of me: "She thought you were a jerk" lol |
| 03:11.04 | mckenziemc | sounds about right |
| 03:11.05 | Arrowmaster | well you are |
| 03:11.13 | Ackis | I didn't disagree |
| 03:11.30 | Ackis | I just found it amusing because apparently we both didn't like each other when we first met and now we're married |
| 03:11.39 | mckenziemc | how did you meet |
| 03:11.45 | Ackis | through WoW :D |
| 03:12.41 | pompy | you got married in vegas, right? |
| 03:12.48 | Ackis | yeah after the last blizzcon |
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| 03:14.53 | Thunder_Child | so your relationship will start and end the same way |
| 03:14.57 | Thunder_Child | sounds about right |
| 03:15.26 | Ackis | in vegas? I'll lose her in a bet? |
| 03:16.12 | Subspace | Double or nothing? |
| 03:16.12 | A-KO | there's a difference between "not like each other" (but really do) and not actually liking each other :P |
| 03:16.14 | Ackis | or I'll lose a loot roll and some lucky priest will get her? |
| 03:16.15 | mckenziemc | are you saying marriage was the start of your relationship? |
| 03:16.30 | Ackis | mckenziemc: no we lived together for 4ish years first |
| 03:16.45 | Subspace | So your saying it was the end then? |
| 03:17.02 | Subspace | (Sadly I've seen some like that) |
| 03:17.15 | Subspace | So I'm only 1/2 joking :\ |
| 03:17.30 | mckenziemc | 7/13* |
| 03:17.43 | Ackis | we met in wow, she visited me, moved out with me about a month later and we've been going ever since :D |
| 03:18.22 | mckenziemc | met in wow how |
| 03:18.39 | mckenziemc | were you making misogynist jokes in a BG? |
| 03:18.50 | Ackis | same guild |
| 03:19.09 | End_ | wait, I don't want to do MC |
| 03:19.14 | End_ | what am I doing |
| 03:20.50 | Ackis | mckenziemc: I did ask her if her tailoring and cooking were maxed |
| 03:21.56 | wereHamster | and, are they? |
| 03:22.09 | Ackis | she wasn't a tailor and no |
| 03:28.27 | Semlar | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkS56CiLpjA haha |
| 03:34.35 | Ackis | holy hell: http://gawker.com/5941532/mma-fighter-who-ripped-friends-heart-out-and-cooked-it-pleads-guilty-to-murder |
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| 03:45.40 | Mr_Rabies | New feature: Now detects spam from real id invites, automatically reports and removes them as it isn't a protected function. |
| 03:45.42 | Mr_Rabies | yesssssss |
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| 04:21.48 | starlon | they should let us transmog a legendary for 70k gold. :/ |
| 04:22.02 | starlon | or something |
| 04:22.11 | starlon | Still ruins it I guess. :( |
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| 04:46.34 | Neffi | Xinhuan, or whomever is taking care of LibGraph now: I noticed at lines 17+ you're "searching" for the addon folder to load the libs. Just wanted to give you a pointer that "name" is now passed to the main block. |
| 04:47.18 | Neffi | You can do`` local name=...; TextureDirectory = "Interface\\AddOns\\"..name..".."..path |
| 04:47.44 | Neffi | s/load the libs/load the lib's images/ |
| 04:48.33 | nevcairiel | the problem is that it doesnt only need the addon folder, but also the path to the lib inside this folder |
| 04:48.56 | Neffi | Ah that sucks |
| 04:59.47 | Torhal | sells Neffi for sleep. |
| 05:03.43 | Neffi | >_> |
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| 05:26.03 | Xinhuan | thanks Neffi |
| 05:26.28 | Xinhuan | but it doesn't really solve the problem :P |
| 05:26.46 | Xinhuan | since we need the full path to the .png |
| 05:26.52 | nevcairiel | thats what i said |
| 05:26.52 | Xinhuan | that is used by the lib |
| 05:27.07 | Xinhuan | for addon names with really long folder names |
| 05:27.19 | Xinhuan | all i can suggest is they put the library in a library folder that is only 1 letter long |
| 05:27.39 | Xinhuan | the lib folder doesn't have to be called /libs/LibGraph-1.0 |
| 05:27.43 | Xinhuan | it can just be /a |
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| 05:30.55 | Neffi | Does anyone know if there's a list of execute-type abilities (target<=x% hp to use)? |
| 05:31.53 | Xinhuan | you have to compile it yourself |
| 05:32.06 | Xinhuan | the list of such spellIDs that is |
| 05:32.57 | Xinhuan | a lot of them aren't even abilities per-say, but they are just passive damage increases when the target is <%hp |
| 05:33.43 | Neffi | Looking to give a distinct mark to my UFs when ability X is available |
| 05:34.02 | Neffi | I don't really need said list, but a few other people use my UI as well, and I dont play their classes |
| 05:34.38 | Xinhuan | i'll argue that that's more appropriate for "aura" type addons, like powerauras :P |
| 05:35.04 | Neffi | Different philosophy in UI design |
| 05:39.26 | Semlar | i think they're at 20, 25 and 35% for the classes that have them |
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| 05:39.52 | znf | I think they made them all to 20% now? |
| 05:40.01 | Semlar | oh, i don't know what's changed |
| 05:40.20 | znf | My SWD has changed from 25% to 20%, so I assumed they normalized all of them |
| 05:40.22 | Neffi | znf: Nope. Dispatch is 35%. |
| 05:40.31 | znf | well, son of a bitch >_< |
| 05:40.34 | Neffi | =) |
| 05:40.36 | Neffi | rogues > you |
| 05:40.46 | znf | Execute seems to be 20% too |
| 05:40.47 | Semlar | i have priest, warlock, warrior, hunter and paladin at 20% |
| 05:40.57 | Semlar | paladin (again) and rogue at 35% |
| 05:41.09 | Semlar | and druid at 80%, i have no idea what the abilities are that proc though |
| 05:41.15 | znf | Neffi, link me to that dispatch |
| 05:41.20 | znf | I can't seem to find it on wowhead |
| 05:41.23 | Neffi | http://www.wowhead.com/spell=111240 |
| 05:41.31 | Neffi | Spec ability, not under abilities tab |
| 05:41.36 | Neffi | Assass only |
| 05:41.40 | znf | ah, I see |
| 05:41.42 | Neffi | lol he said ass |
| 05:41.51 | znf | and you can only use it at <35% ? |
| 05:42.05 | znf | or SS gets changed into Dispatch when the target is below 35%? |
| 05:42.19 | nevcairiel | i would have guessed the second |
| 05:42.52 | Neffi | Ass doesn't have SS |
| 05:43.15 | Neffi | Just like they removed SS for Sub (Hemo turns into it), Ass gets Mut and Dispatch |
| 05:43.22 | Neffi | Why they turned SS into Dispatch and not Mut, I dont know |
| 05:43.33 | znf | *scratch head* |
| 05:44.00 | Neffi | Not sure if it's like that for other classes, but rogues' main abilities are now totally spec dependent. No more useless SS for all. |
| 05:44.37 | Neffi | Oh, and it's often usable at >35% (30% chance on every Mut). I love Dispatch. |
| 05:46.04 | znf | but yeah, seems that they normalized *most* execute-like abilities to 20% |
| 05:46.35 | Neffi | Given the high chance to proc at >35% and the high %, I'd say there's a reason Dispatch is immune |
| 05:46.43 | Neffi | I think they want it to be crucial to our damage |
| 05:48.35 | znf | I really don't like the style of these "only below X%" abilities |
| 05:49.19 | Neffi | I bet they make PvE annoying as fuck |
| 05:49.49 | Neffi | They make those few seconds when it could either be the end of a match or a smashed keyboard in arena more fun |
| 05:50.22 | znf | the new highlight-button system is annoying |
| 05:50.43 | znf | because it lags behind |
| 05:50.59 | znf | and sometimes what your user-frame text says doesn't like up with blizzard's server data |
| 05:51.25 | znf | so my user frames say that the boss is at 20%, but I can't use the ability, and the lighting up of the button doesn't trigger instantly |
| 05:51.57 | Xinhuan | rounding issues? |
| 05:52.04 | Xinhuan | like 20.4% health on the boss doesn't count |
| 05:53.26 | znf | hmm, good point, I should switch to displaying decimals |
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| 06:21.36 | End_ | oh yeah use ipv6 doesn't work with the beta servers |
| 06:21.46 | End_ | that's what I get from trying to copy my live settings over to beta |
| 06:33.12 | znf | ipv6 doesn't seem to be working on live for me... |
| 06:34.37 | End_ | it is for me |
| 06:39.54 | znf | oh, it is for me too |
| 06:39.55 | znf | ha |
| 06:40.05 | znf | I actually get 2 ms less latency with ipv6 |
| 06:40.15 | znf | and I'm tunelling trough HE, don't have native ipv6 |
| 06:43.39 | End_ | I got ~10 ms better initially I think |
| 06:43.51 | End_ | it's about the same now |
| 06:45.17 | znf | Wonder how much better would be if I had native ipv6 instead of this tunnel broker |
| 07:16.38 | durcyn | new addresses don't magically fix networks |
| 07:22.14 | End_ | apparently if you wait long enough, you get kicked out of a pet battle |
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| 07:52.11 | Fisker | just gonna Jamash you |
| 07:56.33 | jnwhiteh | Ackis: what problem did you have? |
| 07:57.01 | jnwhiteh | ah, I see |
| 07:59.19 | jnwhiteh | Ackis: End_: I'll do what I can to get that fixed |
| 08:03.11 | Jamash | wat |
| 08:03.35 | durcyn | give the man points for at least checking his scrollback |
| 08:06.49 | jnwhiteh | it seems to be worked now |
| 08:06.55 | jnwhiteh | although I'm not 100% convinced :P |
| 08:10.49 | rtharper | Mikk: When are you coming down to Stockholm next? =p |
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| 08:21.37 | Fisker | hey jnwhiteh |
| 08:22.41 | Jamash | ackis |
| 08:22.44 | Jamash | damn it |
| 08:22.46 | Fisker | Jamash |
| 08:23.04 | Jamash | ^F toggles the search bar, it doesn't focus it when it's up in adiirc |
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| 08:26.48 | Jamash | what up fiskey |
| 08:28.35 | Jamash | fisker-kun |
| 08:28.54 | Jamash | the fisk-bomb |
| 08:30.05 | Fisker | i'm the f-bomb? |
| 08:30.20 | Jamash | fiskerdin doesn't bubble to protect himself from damage, he bubbles to protect the rest of the world from fiskerdin |
| 08:30.34 | Fisker | :'( |
| 08:30.42 | Jamash | or something |
| 08:30.45 | Jamash | what's up brah |
| 08:30.58 | Fisker | i'm setting up my server again |
| 08:31.15 | Fisker | and noone can stop me |
| 08:31.22 | Fisker | not even those pesky kids |
| 08:31.23 | Jamash | rm -rf /home/fisker |
| 08:31.26 | Fisker | no |
| 08:31.29 | Fisker | not even linnix |
| 08:31.50 | Fisker | linnix is pretty terrible for that |
| 08:32.38 | durcyn | shit, we got a danish Samba expert in here you guys |
| 08:33.11 | Fisker | samba is linux durcyn |
| 08:35.13 | Jamash | del /f /s /q %HOMEPATH% |
| 08:35.52 | Jamash | no, wait, it's rmdir /S /Q %HOMEPATH% |
| 08:35.58 | Fisker | mad Jamash ? |
| 08:36.07 | Jamash | slightly perturbed |
| 08:36.12 | Fisker | so mad |
| 08:36.24 | Jamash | mad with intent |
| 08:36.51 | Jamash | flush with victory |
| 08:37.04 | Jamash | bagel with cream cheese |
| 08:37.19 | Jamash | oh look at the time, it's nonsense o clock |
| 08:37.20 | Semlar | shmear |
| 08:37.22 | Jamash | gnight folks |
| 08:37.40 | durcyn | it's only bullshit:30 here |
| 08:37.43 | Jamash | schmear, dear |
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| 08:38.00 | Semlar | tomato tomato |
| 08:38.09 | Jamash | I see what you did there |
| 08:38.24 | Jamash | because I can't hear what you did there |
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| 08:38.49 | Semlar | i put the inflection on the a |
| 08:39.11 | Jamash | I'll inflect your FACE |
| 08:39.27 | Semlar | i'd like to see you try |
| 08:39.29 | Jamash | or maybe I'll inflect _your_ face |
| 08:39.47 | Jamash | or maybe I'll inflect *your face* |
| 08:39.57 | Semlar | inflect at me bro |
| 08:40.08 | Jamash | no homonym |
| 08:40.17 | durcyn | girls, you're both ugly |
| 08:40.24 | Jamash | ~rimshot |
| 08:40.25 | purl | badum-TISH! |
| 08:40.31 | Jamash | gnight |
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| 08:54.09 | rtharper | Semlar: I assume you mean stress |
| 08:55.01 | Semlar | you know what happens when you start assuming things |
| 08:59.00 | Humbedooh | makes an ass out of Semlar |
| 08:59.16 | pompy | ghostcrawler got a twitta |
| 08:59.18 | Semlar | like i need any help |
| 09:01.15 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/BEiKA.jpg aw look who came to visit me |
| 09:01.26 | rtharper | Humbedooh: Beautiful work |
| 09:01.44 | Humbedooh | rtharper: are you spying on my programming? ;O |
| 09:01.47 | rtharper | Semlar: AHHHHHHHHHHH |
| 09:01.53 | rtharper | Humbedooh: I meant your ass making |
| 09:02.01 | Humbedooh | yes, asses are my specialty |
| 09:02.08 | Humbedooh | wink wink nudge nudge |
| 09:02.46 | Semlar | i think he's looking for a cockroach |
| 09:04.30 | rtharper | kill it and the cockroach both |
| 09:05.13 | Semlar | brutal.. |
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| 09:09.24 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/Hi8fe.jpg ah this brings me back |
| 09:11.19 | Semlar | i wonder if anyone knows what's going on in that picture |
| 09:16.58 | Semlar | that was from when they thought death knights should be able to come back from the dead |
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| 09:50.40 | Adys | http://www.codeofhonor.com/blog/tough-times-on-the-road-to-starcraft this is good |
| 10:08.34 | Adys | So map protection came around. To accomplish this, the people who wrote the protection software had to walk an incredibly thin line: they had to corrupt the map data structures juuussstttt right, so that it would not open in the editor, but SC would still open and render it just fine. |
| 10:08.53 | Adys | this is why i love blizzard |
| 10:08.56 | Adys | i mean hate blizzard |
| 10:09.00 | Adys | i mean love blizzard |
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| 11:00.29 | Yoshimo | every protection can be worked around |
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| 11:06.40 | Fisker | even condoms Yoshimo ? |
| 11:08.02 | Yoshimo | they can have holes? |
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| 11:17.57 | Semlar | condoms are only 80% effective |
| 11:21.13 | Humbedooh | so wear two and be 96% effective! |
| 11:21.17 | Humbedooh | yay for math |
| 11:21.45 | Semlar | you'd think that would work but double bagging it just increases the likelihood that they'll break |
| 11:36.43 | Semlar | hm, silvermoon's minimap behaves as if you're indoors but of course IsIndoors returns nil and i'm not sure how to detect this |
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| 11:39.55 | Neffi | Somebody convince me that Every Man for Himself isn't so good as to nullify other race choices |
| 11:40.17 | Neffi | I really don't like humans all that much, but them extra stats >_> |
| 11:40.28 | Semlar | shares a cooldown with the trinket |
| 11:41.11 | Neffi | Gee, really? |
| 11:41.24 | Neffi | Good thing I was equipping an extra DPS trinket the whole time |
| 11:41.29 | Semlar | you said to convince you |
| 11:41.37 | Semlar | what do you want |
| 11:42.13 | Neffi | Balanced racials? |
| 11:44.39 | Semlar | balanced around what |
| 11:44.56 | Semlar | pvp i guess |
| 11:45.46 | Neffi | aye |
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| 11:46.40 | Semlar | do you want every race to have a powerful but unique racial or exactly the same thing |
| 11:47.36 | Neffi | The former |
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| 11:47.56 | Neffi | I don't need to reiterate what so many people have said about how Every Man for Himself is hands down the best one in the game |
| 11:48.11 | Neffi | They're not even trying to compete with it |
| 11:49.25 | zenzelezz | EMfH is definitely pretty great, but I'm also quite fond of the +10% rep |
| 11:49.43 | Semlar | i don't know, i've always thought the night elf racials were pretty good |
| 11:49.52 | Neffi | tee hee hee |
| 11:49.56 | Semlar | but i don't play alliance |
| 11:50.29 | Semlar | if i did every character i made would probably be a night elf |
| 11:50.38 | Neffi | Actually Shadowmeld has saved my ass on my druid only because I was able to cast it, then Prowl. But even then it's the least useful racial out there for PvP. |
| 11:51.04 | Neffi | For any other class, you pretty much cast it once every few weeks when you suddenly remember you have it and make it a point to use it |
| 11:51.06 | nevcairiel | shadowmeld is neat for questing or gathering =p |
| 11:51.18 | Semlar | shadowmeld is op as fuck for a druid outdoors |
| 11:51.39 | Neffi | A druid disagrees |
| 11:51.40 | Semlar | in the arena maybe less useful |
| 11:52.19 | Semlar | really? you don't think a racial vanish combined with flight form is that great |
| 11:52.24 | Neffi | Well PvP is pretty much the only reason I play WoW |
| 11:52.46 | Neffi | I did say it saved my ass on my druid a few times, but I'm also not the type to run away on my druid |
| 11:52.54 | nevcairiel | shadow meld and then flight form is just great, you can root a mob, gather the plant/mine, shadow meld, flight form, hooray |
| 11:52.55 | Neffi | That's one class I love looking for a challenge |
| 11:52.56 | Semlar | tactical retreat |
| 11:53.30 | Neffi | Well I'm picking a mage this time |
| 11:53.40 | Neffi | An arena and RBG mage |
| 11:53.41 | Semlar | if it makes you feel any better my tauren racials as a druid weren't even usable until fairly recently |
| 11:53.46 | Neffi | Not a flower picking mage with flight form =) |
| 11:54.10 | Neffi | Yeah back in those days neither were Shadowmeld. Or potions for that matter. And didn't trinket break form too? |
| 11:54.15 | Neffi | God vanilla and its ways were so bad |
| 11:54.36 | Semlar | i can't believe war stomp suffers from pushback |
| 11:54.45 | Neffi | It still does? Jeez |
| 11:55.00 | Neffi | I wonder what dev said "god that'd be too OP if it didn't" |
| 11:55.31 | Semlar | i have a tauren warrior too and i basically never used it while tanking because if you're getting hit it takes a while to cast and if you actually need it you can't risk losing all of your avoidance |
| 11:56.28 | Semlar | taurens used to have a pretty good health bonus but that got nerfed into the ground after alliance started complaining about it |
| 11:56.39 | Semlar | it basically does nothing now |
| 11:58.17 | Neffi | Well I'm gonna make a point to not play human. So I guess my best bet is gnome? |
| 11:58.34 | Semlar | panda |
| 11:58.53 | Neffi | Worgen was tasty back in Cata beta, but Darkflight seems exceedingly useless in all real practicality |
| 11:59.15 | Neffi | Also I'm not waiting on Mists, and I don't wanna have to level among the 5 mil Panda rerollers |
| 11:59.36 | Semlar | but.. it's a panda.. |
| 11:59.51 | Neffi | I know >_> |
| 12:00.09 | Neffi | If they had been a class since vanilla, I'd probably have played them the whole time lol |
| 12:00.34 | Neffi | I guess I'll go with gnome. They enrage the horde, their small stature is hard to click, and they look *sick* on just about any mount |
| 12:00.38 | Adys | Neffi: your reasoning about emfh is flawed |
| 12:00.48 | Neffi | Adys: Tell me why |
| 12:01.25 | Adys | Neffi: it shares a cd with the trinket, so by extension it is like an "extra" trinket slot if you will |
| 12:01.34 | Neffi | Which is what makes it good |
| 12:01.48 | Adys | Neffi: this makes it a boring racial: it's a flat dps increase that depends on the ilevel of the item you can get |
| 12:01.52 | Semlar | it makes it roughly as valuable as the trinket you replaced it with |
| 12:01.59 | Neffi | Because the boost of an extra trinket slot can be bigger, not to mention useful more often, than anything else |
| 12:02.03 | Adys | Neffi: meaning its only as good as the trinket you can get |
| 12:02.05 | Semlar | plus the opportunity cost of the racial it replaced |
| 12:02.19 | Neffi | Which is just a matter of whether or not you take the time to gear up. Which I will. |
| 12:02.22 | Semlar | had you gone with a different race |
| 12:02.43 | Neffi | But all this is moot, since I settled on intentionally not choosing human |
| 12:02.52 | Neffi | Now, name my gnome =) |
| 12:03.00 | Semlar | lowtax |
| 12:03.01 | TMc51 | Football |
| 12:03.18 | TMc51 | Fieldgoal |
| 12:03.24 | Adys | Neffi: but your reasoning is *still* flawed |
| 12:03.35 | Neffi | Adys: atm I really don't care |
| 12:03.49 | Adys | Neffi: because that racial, that small dps or def increase, replaces other races' racials |
| 12:03.54 | Adys | which do not share a cd with the trinket |
| 12:04.28 | Adys | stoneform, escape artist, shadowmeld, gift, darkflight |
| 12:04.31 | Adys | etc |
| 12:04.57 | Adys | Neffi: if you don't care, don't bring it up. |
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| 12:14.20 | Vladinator | g'day |
| 12:14.35 | Semlar | hello |
| 12:18.10 | Adys | greetings |
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| 12:31.07 | Adys | lol |
| 12:31.27 | Adys | google query: where did i hear ellie goulding - lights |
| 12:31.32 | Adys | http://playwebgl.com/news/lights_ellie_goudling_webgl/ |
| 12:31.34 | Adys | first result |
| 12:31.36 | Adys | i shit you not |
| 12:34.58 | Kalroth | its such a cute song! |
| 12:38.11 | Adys | no |
| 12:38.15 | Adys | its an awesome search result |
| 12:39.18 | Kalroth | not really, Google logs everything, so it'd know! |
| 12:39.59 | Adys | well i know that |
| 12:40.07 | Adys | thats whats awesome about this |
| 12:40.19 | Adys | never turning this shit off again |
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| 14:31.22 | Vladinator | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44215 |
| 14:31.29 | Vladinator | explains my issues if that is true |
| 14:31.45 | Vladinator | why have InterfaceOptions_AddCategory for addons to use if it taints and breaks stuff? :P |
| 14:31.49 | Vladinator | poor design if you ask me |
| 14:32.09 | nevcairiel | that is only important if you happen to open the interface options during combat |
| 14:32.14 | nevcairiel | annoying, but not game breaking |
| 14:34.17 | Vladinator | :( |
| 14:34.28 | Vladinator | what if an addon opens? :P |
| 14:35.05 | Vladinator | during combat at login to do something, could break too, not saying you should code it to open up the settins at login ofc :3 |
| 14:39.57 | Amarande | yeah, that is one thing that just occurred to me about taint |
| 14:40.21 | Amarande | how many otherwise decent UI's break until next login at times if you don't religiously make a point to log out in safe places? |
| 14:40.37 | Amarande | (i.e., due to being unable to initialise properly due to immediate taint issues if you happen to log in straight into battle) |
| 14:42.12 | Vladinator | logging into battle is a huge issue imo |
| 14:42.40 | nevcairiel | i never had such problems at login, only when i opened the options in combat |
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| 14:45.49 | Amarande | Vlad: yeah, a particularly nasty 1-2 punch for raiding groups too (who tend to have the most heavily modded UIs to boot) |
| 14:45.58 | Vladinator | why :P |
| 14:46.07 | Vladinator | DC in raid and login can be problematic |
| 14:46.26 | Amarande | player DCs in a fight, gets back in immediately, but not only does the raid lose a player for a few seconds, but there's a good chance that player has issues for the rest of the fight due to the "in combat" interfering with addons reinitialising |
| 14:46.30 | nevcairiel | like i said, i have logged in during combat, and nothing bad happend |
| 14:46.45 | Vladinator | depends on your addons |
| 14:47.21 | nevcairiel | if an addon has problems with that, its broken |
| 14:47.40 | nevcairiel | that particular taint you linked there has nothing to do with login |
| 14:48.16 | Amarande | I'm sure there's plenty of addons whose initialisation routines require the player not to be in combat to work correctly |
| 14:48.38 | Vladinator | how do you setup something that requires being out of combat? :P |
| 14:48.59 | nevcairiel | you can perform secure actions, if you do it early enough in the load cycle |
| 14:49.01 | Vladinator | can't change secure frame attributes during combat |
| 14:49.09 | nevcairiel | the combat lockdown isnt immediate |
| 14:49.09 | Vladinator | and not all unit data is available at login |
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| 14:49.26 | Amarande | Possibly even some fairly innocuous ones, given the effect of combat on UIs in general |
| 14:49.27 | Vladinator | need to wait for data to become available and by then it may be too late to do anything with your frames |
| 14:49.39 | nevcairiel | unit data isnt important. You can be in combat and people join your raid, also has to work :p |
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| 14:49.56 | Amarande | Example: If you have a typical guild/friends type widget in your broker panel (formerly what people would use GuildFu and FriendsFu for, I think the most popular one for this now is Aranarth's addon?) |
| 14:50.10 | Amarande | you can't even check what guildies and friends are online via that if you're in battle, the mouseover won't work |
| 14:50.10 | nevcairiel | Plenty unit frames out there, and a ll work in combat |
| 14:50.17 | Vladinator | what about LOD when raidui loads and then your addon loads and its combat, you can't do anything I guess :P |
| 14:50.17 | nevcairiel | well |
| 14:50.20 | nevcairiel | maybe not all |
| 14:50.32 | Amarande | nev: actually, in combat and people join your raid doesn't work perfectly even with common addons |
| 14:50.43 | nevcairiel | so don't make it lod :P |
| 14:51.10 | Vladinator | just loads everything AT ONCE |
| 14:51.10 | Vladinator | :D |
| 14:51.10 | Amarande | I've noticed for instance ... well, I use SUF only for personal frames, and Grid for all group frames |
| 14:51.40 | Amarande | If, say, someone drops group in LFD, and the replacement arrives while we're in combat, Grid will not adjust its frame size until battle is over |
| 14:52.05 | nevcairiel | not everything, just the stuff that needs secure stuff. Its really not that much stuff that really needs to be setup before combat |
| 14:52.08 | Amarande | the combat restriction is a lot more significant than many might think :S |
| 14:53.07 | nevcairiel | mostly just all sorts of unit frames, action bars, and possibly buff addons |
| 14:53.27 | Amarande | I've also noticed occasional oddballs |
| 14:53.50 | Amarande | for instance, quests where you can click the quest item from the log, I once accidentally clicked the quest item hastily from the log while I was still in battle |
| 14:53.51 | Vladinator | plan for the worst :P |
| 14:53.57 | Amarande | and then couldn't use "click from the log" at all till reloading the UI |
| 14:54.41 | Amarande | (as I remember, it was the Winterspring quest where you have to close the portal thingies at Mazthoril, and I was hurrying and hadn't fully read that you need to be out of combat to destroy the portals, but really ... getting that feature locked out altogether until reloadui?) |
| 14:55.09 | Vladinator | the game isn't set up to have a proper rutine |
| 14:55.17 | Vladinator | when it comes to settup up secure code when loading in combat |
| 14:55.37 | Amarande | yeah, it seems designed for "secure uber alles" which doesn't always work properly |
| 14:55.44 | Vladinator | if you need to wait for information or it's LOD things |
| 14:55.55 | Vladinator | only works if you do it asap your code runs, otherwise its too late :P |
| 14:56.31 | Amarande | would WoW really be a no-fun piece of crap game if they hadn't implemented all these security features on addons? |
| 14:56.42 | nevcairiel | All the important information you could need to setup protected/secure frames is available, and for everything else they produced header frames that control your frames |
| 14:56.55 | Amarande | would people really not enjoy the game if top raiders always used classic decursive and ... what was that football coach like addon called, the one where you could draw on the screen |
| 14:56.57 | nevcairiel | Like i said, if you need unit information, you also need to deal with new units appearing mid-combat |
| 14:57.28 | Vladinator | how do I make a button buff focus magic on the appropriate group target? |
| 14:57.39 | Vladinator | had issues with that in combat logins :P |
| 14:57.59 | Amarande | well, maybe top raiders wouldn't enjoy the game as much, but as a rule, it's regarded as a headdesking design flaw on Blizzard's part that they focus the game design so much around the top 1%-5% of players |
| 14:58.22 | Vladinator | I think they please all, not only the top5% :P but that's my oppinion |
| 14:58.37 | Amarande | Maybe if you had to actually pay extra for instances, like you do in say LOTRO if you don't buy expansions in full, it would make sense, but we all buy the same content :) |
| 14:58.42 | nevcairiel | just put an appropriate macro on some button |
| 14:58.56 | Amarande | Vlad: it's generally agreed that the greatest focus is placed on pleasing the top raiders |
| 14:59.30 | Vladinator | and how do I change that macro when I login in combat and unit info is not available yet? |
| 14:59.32 | Vladinator | :3 |
| 14:59.44 | Vladinator | had that issue but long ago, not sure how its now :P |
| 15:00.05 | nevcairiel | how do you setup the button if you're in combat and join the group? :P |
| 15:00.17 | nevcairiel | some things are not meant to work, because you then could automate stuff |
| 15:00.28 | Vladinator | should be exceptions to some events |
| 15:00.34 | Vladinator | to allow you to run some limited code to set up your stuff |
| 15:00.49 | Amarande | Consider for instance, at least before 3.3.0, how infrequently new content was added that wasn't oriented towards already fully-progressed raiders |
| 15:00.55 | Xinhuan | you do your setup before P_E_W, vlad |
| 15:00.57 | nevcairiel | exceptions make stuff exponentially more complex |
| 15:01.02 | Xinhuan | you aren't in combat lockdown before P_E_W |
| 15:01.10 | Amarande | and how many people are really already fully progressed each time a mid-expansion patch comes out? :) |
| 15:01.17 | Amarande | as a percentage of subscribers. |
| 15:01.40 | Vladinator | but is all info available before PEW? |
| 15:01.48 | Vladinator | at player_login event I take it |
| 15:02.11 | Xinhuan | i don't know what you're trying to setup :P |
| 15:02.12 | Vladinator | I faintly recall it wasn't but, its so long ago I was doing these macro type buttons so kind of forgetting :P |
| 15:02.18 | Vladinator | a macro button |
| 15:02.23 | Vladinator | secure changing depending on group |
| 15:02.31 | Vladinator | what classes were in the group and their roles |
| 15:02.33 | Vladinator | or specs |
| 15:02.40 | Xinhuan | you setup the conditions at addon load time |
| 15:02.41 | Vladinator | bare minimum their class ofc |
| 15:02.54 | Amarande | all info is certainly not available before PEW, or else the majority of addons aren't coded well. I've plenty of times over the years felt the need to do a reloadui after battle if I logged in into one |
| 15:02.56 | Vladinator | can the conditions handle complex logic like that? |
| 15:03.11 | Vladinator | class, spec, e.g. type logic |
| 15:03.14 | Xinhuan | then when you enter the world, the raid roster events would fire and you would then enter combat and it should update then |
| 15:03.34 | Amarande | usually, it would be that my combat-oriented addons would indeed load properly, but things like Broker bar widgets that aren't meant for in-battle use would not initialise properly and need a reload post-combat to fix |
| 15:03.53 | Xinhuan | probably just poorly coded |
| 15:03.59 | nevcairiel | the general philosophy of the secure/protected system is to offer you all the information you want, but not give you too much automation, so no, you cant do everything :p |
| 15:04.15 | Amarande | ehhh. |
| 15:04.32 | Amarande | if there was no secure/protected system, would odious things like full-on botting really even be possible via addon still? |
| 15:04.45 | Vladinator | yes Amarande |
| 15:04.55 | Amarande | I don't remember there being a huge amount of trouble wailed about during vanilla when UI mods were first introduced, saying that everyone set up their UI for botting |
| 15:04.56 | Vladinator | before you could call a lot of API directly in our out combat |
| 15:05.02 | Vladinator | no |
| 15:05.02 | Vladinator | but |
| 15:05.03 | Stanzilla | where is the off-button |
| 15:05.04 | Stanzilla | for |
| 15:05.05 | Stanzilla | this |
| 15:05.06 | Stanzilla | spam |
| 15:05.06 | Stanzilla | fest |
| 15:05.18 | Vladinator | I had a heal mod that I spammed a button and it healed everyone properly |
| 15:05.19 | Amarande | In fact, I don't remember secure/protected really being considered important until Decursive started to be considered mandatory for raiders |
| 15:05.21 | Vladinator | and dispelled :P |
| 15:05.29 | Amarande | Vlad: decursive? |
| 15:05.33 | nevcairiel | thats exactly the type of mods they wanted to ban with this :P |
| 15:05.36 | bluspacecow | the off button stan is in my ear |
| 15:05.39 | Vladinator | decursive and some heal addon |
| 15:05.39 | Xinhuan | well, if you setup your conditions properly, they will fire off properly once you load into the world and the entering combat events will fire off appropriately |
| 15:05.41 | bluspacecow | and only activated by tongue. |
| 15:06.33 | Amarande | Stanzilla: Errr. You come to a real-time chat room, people chat in real-time, sometimes several people rapidly, and you complain about it being spammy ... |
| 15:06.39 | Amarande | Perhaps forums would be more suited to your style? :) |
| 15:06.56 | Vladinator | :D |
| 15:07.04 | Vladinator | I hate paypal atm |
| 15:07.27 | Vladinator | long ago I made an account when I was a kid, now it's limited and the information is very old and inaccurate, and to change I need to send paperwork lol |
| 15:07.42 | Vladinator | problem is the old info there is no paperwork to confirm my new info ;D |
| 15:08.03 | Vladinator | and I wish to use my mail so need costumer support to help me but they refer me to FAQs I've already read |
| 15:08.06 | Xinhuan | why don't you just make a new account, and send all the money over from old to new account |
| 15:08.08 | Amarande | (Then again, devil's advocate, I suppose someone could also say ... "Amarande, you come to a real-time chat room, and you talk in paragraphs that are too long for people to read quickly. Perhaps forums would be more suited to your style?" :S) |
| 15:08.19 | Xinhuan | then delete the old account |
| 15:08.38 | Vladinator | can't, access limited :P |
| 15:08.45 | Vladinator | need to confirm it to delete or change email and such |
| 15:09.00 | Vladinator | so need to send them non existant documents :P |
| 15:09.18 | Xinhuan | so just go with a new account :P |
| 15:09.25 | Vladinator | I wish to use my email on my new account, but currently that mail is used by my inaccurate/locked/invalid account :P |
| 15:09.33 | Vladinator | so I try to see if they can help me in any way at all :P |
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| 15:36.10 | Arrowmaster | tpb needs to fix their ssl cert already |
| 15:36.40 | Arrowmaster | oh its just the .org that doesnt work |
| 15:38.07 | nevcairiel | probably because its the same cert for both :P |
| 15:38.26 | g0urra | uh Arrowmaster |
| 15:38.30 | g0urra | you know it's .se right |
| 15:38.36 | g0urra | who goes to .org anyway |
| 15:38.45 | Arrowmaster | im so used to the .org |
| 15:39.14 | g0urra | why would you type it out |
| 15:39.29 | Arrowmaster | why not? |
| 15:39.51 | g0urra | 'cause you can just type "tpb" in the address bar instead? |
| 15:40.46 | Arrowmaster | that triggers a google search |
| 15:40.54 | Arrowmaster | and still doesnt goto the ssl version i bet |
| 15:41.25 | Arrowmaster | yup |
| 15:42.13 | g0urra | or go to .se, right-click the search field and click "create a keyword for this search" or whatever |
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| 16:32.43 | kd3 | wait, wait, aren't cross-realm zones not supposed to include capital cities? |
| 16:32.54 | kd3 | looks at dalaran and ponders |
| 16:35.32 | nevcairiel | maybe they dont consider dalaran a capital anymore |
| 16:35.37 | nevcairiel | i mean, tis a ghost town most days |
| 16:35.54 | Ressy | I think they said they weren't including sw & org |
| 16:36.11 | Ressy | but they've said they were also experiencing bugs, where zones which shouldn't be cross realm'd, were |
| 16:36.51 | Ressy | This is prolly the best thread compiling all the bugs with CRZ. http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/6521292325?page=1 |
| 16:45.17 | foxlit | GW2's combat system is... exciting |
| 16:45.23 | zenzelezz | how so? |
| 16:45.48 | foxlit | In the sense that you can be completely fine one moment, and dead the next, all doing level-appropriate content |
| 16:46.19 | TMc51 | play a Thief, and just evade like nobodys business. |
| 16:46.40 | foxlit | I play a Thief. But I have no idea what I'm doing. |
| 16:46.53 | TMc51 | D/D build with DB spam on multiple enemies is awesome. Heartseeker on single enemies is win. |
| 16:47.10 | foxlit | Currently, I'm staring at a abridge of death before a group event with a massive fire elemental |
| 16:47.33 | TMc51 | Asura starting zone? |
| 16:47.37 | foxlit | yep |
| 16:47.42 | foxlit | (I think!) |
| 16:47.42 | TMc51 | I hate that fight D: |
| 16:48.05 | foxlit | Between the random aoe and the waves of adds that spawn when there are enough projectile attacks there that if anything knocks you down, you're basically dead |
| 16:48.18 | zenzelezz | so is GW2 as PvP-centric as I've heard people claim, or is there some amount of PvE? |
| 16:48.28 | znf | PvP |
| 16:48.29 | TMc51 | theres some pve |
| 16:48.34 | TMc51 | but its mostly pvp |
| 16:49.00 | zenzelezz | well then, that's one less MMO for me to worry about |
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| 16:49.07 | foxlit | There's at least enough levelling pve content that you don't have to PvP. |
| 16:49.37 | foxlit | Quest and resource implementations are something that wow should definitely steal |
| 16:50.12 | TMc51 | ^ |
| 16:50.30 | znf | well, yeha, but a highest levels it seems that everything is centered around PvP, or, well, "World vs World vs. World" stuff |
| 16:50.44 | TMc51 | I love WvWvW |
| 16:51.38 | TMc51 | which is more PvW than anything. Pretty much Wintergrasp on on steroids, with even more walls. |
| 16:51.57 | foxlit | On the other hand, basic stats, itemization and combat are non-intuitive as fuck. |
| 16:52.09 | Thunder_Child | really? seems easy to me |
| 16:52.13 | znf | most people I know playing either stopped logging or asked for refunds |
| 16:52.18 | TMc51 | stats are easy to me |
| 16:52.34 | TMc51 | Power, Crit, Defense, Health |
| 16:53.04 | Thunder_Child | how the hell can you ask for a refund? |
| 16:53.34 | foxlit | Thunder_Child: places that are not the US have consumer protection laws. |
| 16:53.42 | Xinhuan | CC chargebacks |
| 16:53.43 | Thunder_Child | sillyness |
| 16:54.25 | foxlit | So you could probably* go and say "Hey, this thing totally didn't live up to my expectations!", though that seems iffy with software. Dunno if it actually works around here. |
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| 16:55.15 | Fisker | hey Stanzilla |
| 16:55.20 | Fisker | i'm on master race now |
| 16:55.29 | Stanzilla | nice |
| 16:55.35 | foxlit | TMc51: but what's the relationship between the four? |
| 16:55.47 | foxlit | What does 1 defense do for you? What's "1 power" in terms of damage output? |
| 16:56.06 | foxlit | Should I be stacking power or precision? |
| 16:56.34 | foxlit | Do I want to include defensive stats, or am I going to die regardless? |
| 16:58.05 | Mr_Rabies | changelogs like this are my favorite |
| 16:58.08 | Mr_Rabies | James D. Callahan III: |
| 16:58.08 | Mr_Rabies | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:58.08 | Mr_Rabies | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:01.17 | TMc51 | Foxlit: It all depends on your build. |
| 17:01.43 | TMc51 | http://www.guildhead.com/skill-calc#Mckzzc9MovlooovlooxG9MGcsaMRVm this is the build I'm following. Power/Precision are about equal priorities to me. |
| 17:02.27 | TMc51 | For more information: http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/55895-minions-invincible-thief-build/ |
| 17:02.58 | Amarande | I suppose there's a logical argument for GW's PvP-centric endgame, anyway, from a design standpoint |
| 17:03.01 | foxlit | but basically, TMc51, I'm unhappy that there's basically no way to figure this stuff out from within the game. |
| 17:03.14 | TMc51 | some say power > precision > vit > conditioning, but I prefer power = precision > the others |
| 17:03.30 | Amarande | Especially given that it's a buy-once, play-forever game, it makes good business sense since then once the players run out of content, they make their own endgame against one another |
| 17:03.47 | TMc51 | It's like the original in that sense. except for lots of information available outside of the gamer, it's pretty difficult to pick up on stuff. |
| 17:03.50 | pompy | Mr_Rabies: you havent seen nothing yet then |
| 17:04.13 | Amarande | Games like WoW and LOTRO keep offering new content because WoW is purely subscription with constant income, while LOTRO you either subscribe or have to pay for zones, and you have to pay for expansions no matter what |
| 17:04.29 | TMc51 | I mean, I don't disagree that there could be much more available ingame to help guide you on playstyles. |
| 17:06.08 | foxlit | Speaking of stat systems, that's probably the one aspect of D3 that's good. |
| 17:06.21 | Mr_Rabies | also completely insane changelogs are great too |
| 17:07.08 | Mr_Rabies | like "Fixed a bug where players could be knocked down by T-Rex roar while manning an MG42." |
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| 17:07.19 | foxlit | And WoW should dump combat ratings as a display thing. |
| 17:07.40 | foxlit | Things would be better if gear just said "Increases your chance to parry by 0.5%" innately. |
| 17:07.49 | Mr_Rabies | honestly, yeah |
| 17:07.56 | Mr_Rabies | have the rating there in the background, or togglable |
| 17:08.14 | Tuller | Amarande: i have a theory that gw2 will eventually lower the price of the main game to $0 after they've released enough expansions through their in game store |
| 17:08.15 | Mr_Rabies | but just have it display percentage by default |
| 17:08.22 | nevcairiel | you know how blizzard is, only slowly learning. I like how we at least have comparison tooltips now |
| 17:08.32 | Amarande | Tuller: that would depend on how they approach expansions, I imagine |
| 17:08.38 | Mr_Rabies | we've had comparison tooltips since wrath, no? :o |
| 17:08.48 | foxlit | Then again, wow's combat ratings are insane to begin with. Diminishing returns on stats. Yaaaaaay? |
| 17:08.53 | nevcairiel | I can see how percentages may be confusing during leveling, because the percentage actually decreases when you level up |
| 17:08.55 | Amarande | With GW1's expansion model, say, that would not be possible, because each of the three primary campaigns was a full game unto itself |
| 17:09.03 | Tuller | nevcairiel: i came up with a stupid idea today: give action bars a secondary header that's [modifier]enable;disable and force rechecking of the vehicle page |
| 17:09.06 | Amarande | You didn't need Prophecies to get Factions or Nightfall, for instance |
| 17:09.07 | zenzelezz | damnit nevcairiel, I was three words short of finishing that explanation |
| 17:09.21 | Amarande | You did need one main game to get Eye of the North but it could be any of the three |
| 17:09.52 | foxlit | TMc51: is there any way to make the camera less annoying? |
| 17:10.04 | nevcairiel | Tuller: i had a somewhat similar idea, but different. I noticed that at least the prophet fight thingy in draktharon triggers a [form], so i thought about having a second header that just triggers on form and checks if the actionpage is > 10 |
| 17:10.26 | foxlit | In particular, rotation speed is too slow for my comfort. |
| 17:10.28 | nevcairiel | Tuller: but i thought maybe i give them time until MoP release before i start doing evil things |
| 17:12.46 | TMc51 | You can increase it in the options. They call it camera speed. |
| 17:13.00 | TMc51 | Wait, nevermind, rotation speed. |
| 17:13.04 | foxlit | Surprising! |
| 17:13.13 | foxlit | I don't know why I was looking for it in graphics options rather than the first options page |
| 17:13.42 | TMc51 | I found the perfect settings for me was have my mouse at 2200 dpi and the rotation speed about 3/4 to the right |
| 17:14.37 | TMc51 | for shits and giggles, I maxxed out my DPI and the rotation speed bar. not much can make me sick, but that did. |
| 17:15.52 | foxlit | I'd rather not mess with dpi, since that would also affect the cursor. |
| 17:17.55 | Amarande | I need to get a new G9 mouse |
| 17:18.06 | Amarande | I liked the ability to mess with DPI via an on-mouse setting rather than having to go into an app to change it |
| 17:18.35 | Amarande | It's especially useful if you're drawing any graphics, since you can mid-draw turn the sensitivity way down for working on precise things |
| 17:18.54 | Amarande | which simply isn't possible conveniently on most mice, because you'd need to drop what you're doing to find the mouse settings panel |
| 17:19.03 | kd3 | oh wow, "Come play a game so simple that even a paladin can do it!" |
| 17:19.07 | kd3 | how'd I never see that before? |
| 17:19.15 | TMc51 | whered you see that? |
| 17:19.24 | kd3 | DMF, the shooting game guy |
| 17:19.37 | TMc51 | hahha |
| 17:19.52 | Amarande | even a *paladin* can do it? rofl |
| 17:19.55 | Fisker | i'm pretty sure Blizzard hates me |
| 17:20.07 | Amarande | That would be more hilarious if, you know, Paladin wasn't like the easiest class to play WoW as :P |
| 17:20.20 | Fisker | they mocked my class when i were a rogue, then they mocked it again when i started my paladin |
| 17:20.24 | TMc51 | I thought Hunter was. AFK and let your pet do all the work. |
| 17:20.40 | Amarande | "Even a rogue could do it" would make more sense, since at least in my experience, rogue was always the most difficult class to solo with |
| 17:21.10 | Amarande | or maybe priest in the days before easy dungeon groups, now you just roll healer and are set till you hit cata content and dungeons actually get something resembling challenging |
| 17:21.19 | TMc51 | is Sub still one of the more difficult rotations since 5.0, or did they dumb it down like they so love to do? |
| 17:21.59 | foxlit | yay, autoloot |
| 17:34.05 | Shirik | :/ |
| 17:34.07 | Shirik | http://static.happyplace.com/assets/images/2012/09/504b294877903.jpeg |
| 17:35.39 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 17:35.43 | Fisker | it's not math but english |
| 17:35.44 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
| 17:37.01 | Subspace | DK is easier than pally imo |
| 17:38.31 | Amarande | Subspace: is that really the class though or the fact that you start off at 55? |
| 17:38.43 | Amarande | some of the points at lower levels can be unusually hard due to the levels at which you get certain abilities |
| 17:38.46 | Subspace | The class |
| 17:38.59 | Amarande | upper single digits, upper teens, and upper 20s are especially notorious for difficulty spikes |
| 17:39.01 | Subspace | You can make a /castrandom with not very many spells/abilities and just spam it |
| 17:39.35 | Subspace | Pally actually has some CDs that you have to use at a resonable time |
| 17:39.40 | Amarande | TMc51, a difficult rotation is not a plus |
| 17:40.30 | Amarande | I'd rather focus on the boss's mechanics than on trying to do a complicated keyboard dance just to do regular dps, but that's just me :) |
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| 17:41.40 | Amarande | It's a lot easier to stay out of fire when your damage rotation doesn't resemble Beethoven's Ninth, y'know :) |
| 17:41.47 | Subspace | Oh that's right people are talking about PvE... |
| 17:42.06 | Subspace | I'm more of a PvPer, so our comparisons of easiest class won't make sense |
| 17:42.27 | Amarande | TMc51: also "let your pet do all the work" was nerfed a long time ago |
| 17:42.38 | Amarande | if you let your pet do all the work, you don't get any xp, loot, or quest credits |
| 17:43.09 | Amarande | I suppose it's nice for resource farming though, since you can swoop down and let your pet tank a nearby mob while you grab the node |
| 17:45.06 | Mr_Rabies | related: being able to change pet talents on the fly is boss |
| 17:45.22 | Mr_Rabies | tenacity whilst soloing, ferocity whilst grouped |
| 17:45.31 | Mr_Rabies | don't really see the point in cunning, myself :x |
| 17:46.02 | Subspace | pvp? |
| 17:46.08 | Mr_Rabies | i guess? |
| 17:46.17 | Mr_Rabies | i dunno, pvp's been pretty much over for me for at least an expansion |
| 17:46.19 | Subspace | My hunter is only like lvl 30 though, and I havent played him in many months |
| 17:46.26 | Subspace | Let me look at cunning tree again |
| 17:46.30 | Primer | So it seems the quest POI integration code in my addon is the cause of the client hangs |
| 17:46.57 | Primer | I've had a user do some really diligent testing, and he reports that when the quest POI integration is disabled, the client never hangs |
| 17:47.17 | Subspace | Oh there are no pet talents anymore |
| 17:47.21 | Subspace | Only pet spec |
| 17:47.21 | Primer | He also reports that when the client does hang, the CPU shoots to 100%, and memory consumption skyrockets |
| 17:47.23 | Subspace | At least for hunter |
| 17:47.25 | Mr_Rabies | yeah |
| 17:47.27 | Amarande | hasn't cunning's optimal use in PvE always been fairly situational anyway? |
| 17:47.34 | Mr_Rabies | that's what i meant, spec |
| 17:47.49 | Mr_Rabies | Amarande: yeah, but i wish they'd have made it a bit more useful |
| 17:48.04 | Amarande | Though, TBH, it's good enough in 99% of cases anyway |
| 17:48.10 | Mr_Rabies | also unholy dk owns Amarande |
| 17:48.17 | Mr_Rabies | it's like an easier overall feral dps |
| 17:48.19 | Amarande | The time I did that truly epic save in LBRS ... I actually had a cunning pet out, not a tenacity |
| 17:48.32 | Mr_Rabies | no facing requirement, easier to spread debuffs, no combo points |
| 17:48.36 | Amarande | The one where an untimely fear led to me having to solo practically the entire bottom floor room in the troll area |
| 17:48.59 | Mr_Rabies | some ranged utility at all |
| 17:49.00 | Amarande | I think there may have been one other person alive at all, and I believe he was OOM pretty quickly so not a factor |
| 17:49.45 | Amarande | Granted, part of that was probably to be owed to the OPness of heirloom weapons in old world instances once you ding 58 |
| 17:49.50 | Amarande | since I was level 63 and had the heirloom bow |
| 17:50.06 | Subspace | Damn, no more monkey stun? |
| 17:50.29 | Amarande | still, it involved a lot of mend pet, and a lot of feign death dances to manage aggro |
| 17:50.44 | Amarande | the rest of the party I think was just waiting to see when I died and the wipe could be called heh |
| 17:51.03 | Amarande | ... except I never did |
| 17:51.14 | zenzelezz | all right, seriously... there are few things I hate more than "hey <some-person-you-follow> how bout RT for my birthday?"-retweets on Twitter... seriously, what do they hope to accomplish? "Oh my, this guy has a birthday, how awesome - I must go follow him" |
| 17:51.45 | Shirik | http://static.happyplace.com/assets/images/2012/03/4f755de05446c.jpeg |
| 17:52.08 | Amarande | of course, next level I did get a tenacity pet, and later on I actually saved some wipes with that when the LFD tank turned out to be fail |
| 17:53.23 | Mr_Rabies | yeah but like |
| 17:53.31 | Mr_Rabies | i can use the same pet, and just swap his spec |
| 17:53.31 | Mr_Rabies | owns |
| 17:53.49 | Mr_Rabies | i wish pet abilities were a little more interesting though |
| 17:54.03 | Mr_Rabies | there's not really one that can do aoe damage anymore than another :( |
| 17:55.15 | Amarande | Do the seven pet types that have full-scale raid buffs still have them, or was that dropped in cata? |
| 17:55.27 | Amarande | er, 5.0 |
| 17:58.01 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, they do |
| 17:58.05 | Mr_Rabies | the quiliens have a brez! |
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| 18:16.40 | Dark_Elf | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44219 - omg things like that make me want to pull my hair out |
| 18:17.31 | TMc51 | More people that think they understand even basic copyright stuff... |
| 18:18.54 | Dark_Elf | not even sure where that dude got 2011 from when its copyrighted 2012 |
| 18:20.58 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:46.54 | Mr_Rabies | tempting one of a few addons that people actually paid for with legal recourse is probably not the best idea, random poorly informed guy on the internet |
| 18:46.58 | Ackis | must resist urge to flame |
| 18:50.33 | Elkano | Ackis, what did I just miss? |
| 18:54.37 | Thunder_Child | The fact that he became a flamethrower? |
| 18:57.09 | End_ | I have fled from so many rabbits testing this addon |
| 18:57.46 | pompy | real cool i cant log into an alliance character without crashing... |
| 18:58.09 | End_ | :< |
| 18:58.16 | pompy | also, arent hte *.lock files supposed to be deleted when the client closes? |
| 18:58.25 | End_ | probably |
| 18:58.33 | pompy | yeah, they arent doing that! |
| 18:58.52 | pompy | but yeah my clients crashing about not being able to read a local file on login :x |
| 18:58.53 | End_ | not really surprised a crash would stop that from happening |
| 18:59.00 | End_ | huh |
| 18:59.10 | pompy | ERROR #134 (0x85100086) Fatal condition! |
| 18:59.11 | pompy | Failed to read file from local. |
| 18:59.41 | End_ | might be related to your location |
| 18:59.59 | pompy | major cities |
| 19:00.57 | Ressy | its file corruption |
| 19:01.19 | Ressy | its either world.mpq or texture.mpq |
| 19:01.37 | Ressy | your log'll say which one it is.. but the fix is deleting the .mpq file & redonwloading via launcher. about 3GB |
| 19:04.22 | Amarande | heh. someone seriously thought copyright was only good for the year that is written in the "Copyright XXXX" notice? |
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| 19:05.31 | pompy | Ressy: yeah its probably world.mpq because there was no .lock file generate >< |
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| 19:28.34 | Adys | https://github.com/apache/httpd/commit/a381ff35fa4d50a5f7b9f64300dfd98859dee8d0 |
| 19:28.34 | Adys | wow |
| 19:28.37 | Adys | just |
| 19:28.54 | Adys | jesus fucking balls this is some serious bs |
| 19:30.31 | TMc51 | What is? I don't claim to exactly u nderstand whats going on, so enlighten me a little? |
| 19:32.07 | Ressy | Apache doesn't like that Microsoft turned on Do Not Track under the default installation. |
| 19:32.09 | Adys | TMc51: apache is discarding the Do Not Track header if it comes from IE10, because that browser enables it by default. Rationale: "It's against open standards" |
| 19:32.41 | jnwhiteh | yeah that logic just doesn't work.. |
| 19:32.44 | TMc51 | Wow... Total freaking BS. |
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| 19:34.00 | Adys | github supports mirroring? |
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| 19:34.43 | Iriel | Le'ts be clear, Roy F. doesn't like it, and submitted a patch - to make the default config file ignore it. |
| 19:35.01 | Iriel | It's not like the apache web server expressed an opinion |
| 19:35.08 | Iriel | Nor is it like they added low level code to suppress it |
| 19:35.12 | Adys | Iriel: the patch made into the mainline |
| 19:35.42 | Adys | so either its been accepted, reviewed, or the guy has direct commit access which means he's trusted and can speak for the apache team |
| 19:35.54 | Iriel | It's an "arguably reasonable" default due to MS deciding to use the field very differently than the standards |
| 19:36.06 | Iriel | Roy did write many of the HTTP standards, he carries /some/ weight |
| 19:36.16 | Adys | Maldivia Arrowmaster: dw is up |
| 19:36.25 | End_ | so my understanding is that apache ignores IE10's setting of DNF by default, and IE10 sets DNF by default |
| 19:36.43 | Iriel | End_: if you replace ", and" with ", because" - yes |
| 19:36.49 | Iriel | Well, yours is true as well |
| 19:36.51 | End_ | fair enough |
| 19:36.52 | Adys | Iriel: fwir he co-wrote the dnt standard |
| 19:36.53 | Iriel | but I think the argument is the because |
| 19:36.58 | Adys | so i figure he would carry weight |
| 19:37.06 | Adys | but that doesn't explain this |
| 19:37.42 | Adys | what's this "very differently than the standards"? because the only difference i know of is the default, and the spec makes no mention of it |
| 19:37.52 | Elkano | jnwhiteh, any chance for an update of the artwork browser on wowp for 5.0.4? |
| 19:38.03 | jnwhiteh | yes, once I'm slightly more settled |
| 19:38.10 | jnwhiteh | I may do that and some other addon updates tomorrow morning. |
| 19:38.13 | Adys | jnwhiteh: NO DO IT NOW |
| 19:38.17 | jnwhiteh | Nej |
| 19:41.01 | mckenziemc | does mining not require a pick now? the pick gives +10 mining |
| 19:41.04 | Amarande | well, shouldn't the default be no DNT header at all unless the user has specifically asked for one? |
| 19:41.10 | mckenziemc | which would be odd for something basic that you need o.o |
| 19:42.15 | Iriel | Amarande: I think that's roys permission -- Although others are arguing that the user is "sort of asked' during installation |
| 19:42.23 | Iriel | in that they're told the default is DNT, and acknowledge that |
| 19:42.53 | foxlit | New policy: if DNT header is present, serve only porn ads. |
| 19:42.58 | End_ | haha |
| 19:43.07 | Amarande | foxlit: heh |
| 19:43.39 | Amarande | that might be a deterrent to DNT, especially since customer complaints could be replied to with 'well you blocked us from being able to track what you're actually interested in so we could give you a better choice of ads' |
| 19:43.42 | Amarande | </evil? |
| 19:43.43 | Amarande | > |
| 19:44.02 | foxlit | Aw, you figured out my cunning plan. |
| 19:44.56 | Amarande | also, there are certain things that a non-tracking, client-agnostic ad practise tends to fail at |
| 19:46.35 | Amarande | e.g. |
| 19:46.39 | Iriel | I think microsoft's decision, while "good' from the perspective of making their product /sound/ better in marketing literature will probably kill the standard |
| 19:46.58 | Iriel | Because no tracking-oriented company will want to respect the standard |
| 19:47.07 | Iriel | because a huge chunk of their user base is automatically opted out |
| 19:47.23 | Amarande | I read the Guardian on its Android app fairly often |
| 19:47.24 | Iriel | Which is probably why Roy is angry |
| 19:47.41 | Amarande | and about half the time, the ad provided at the bottom of the screen tells me about how I can download the Guardian's Android app from the Android Market ... heh |
| 19:47.43 | Iriel | Since i'm imagining he's invested qutie a bit of time into creating the standard in the first place |
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| 20:01.07 | Maldivia | Adys: already - nice :P |
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| 20:34.41 | zenzelezz | so they're advertising this fantasy-ish "there's something big and bad out here" movie on TV here lately. The biggest scare (to the people) seems to be a loud, deep noise. Which to me sounds very much like the reapers from Mass Effect |
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| 20:39.46 | foxlit | zenzelezz: reapears would make for an awesome horror movie |
| 20:40.16 | foxlit | in fact, why aren't our top men already on that? |
| 20:40.19 | zenzelezz | yeah |
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| 20:46.32 | Amarande | Hmm, I see this still hasn't been fixed, actually I think it was introduced with 5.0.4 |
| 20:47.04 | Amarande | When you fresh install WoW or delete your WTF folder, and log on, before 5.0, it would ask you what realm type you preferred (as it still does) |
| 20:47.54 | Amarande | However, earlier, it would then send you to a realm you had characters on (probably the one you had the most characters on, but I don't remember perfectly now) |
| 20:48.11 | Amarande | Now, it will send you to the character creation screen on the appropriate "new players" realm. Odd. |
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| 20:50.46 | zenzelezz | that's just you, it considers you too noob |
| 20:53.12 | mckenziemc | oh that's lovely |
| 20:53.40 | mckenziemc | apparantly it's 6:51 AM on sunday in this cross-realm elwynn, so i can't get to the darkmoon faire |
| 20:55.30 | Amarande | mckenziemc: ugh |
| 20:55.40 | Amarande | yay for salty getting that much harder, too, I would say :P |
| 20:55.54 | Amarande | seeing that you don't have to just be on at the right time on Saturday or Sunday anymore to win a fishing contest |
| 20:56.13 | Amarande | you can pretty much expect to need to set aside the entire day for every attempt, in case of time differences in shared zones, then :| |
| 20:56.58 | mckenziemc | oh god |
| 20:57.08 | Amarande | Stranglethorn especially will be pure Vegas for me now, I guess, since I have to leave for work around 3:30 PM Eastern every Sunday, so it's all up to whatever server I happen to be dumped in when going to STV :P |
| 20:57.26 | mckenziemc | do you have to pick up a quest before you go do the fishing stuff or do you juts go out there and get the fish? |
| 20:57.28 | Amarande | mckenziemc, why did they ever think this was actually a good idea? |
| 20:57.38 | Amarande | did people actually complain about zones being underpopulated when leveling? heh |
| 20:57.43 | mckenziemc | it *could* be done well |
| 20:58.14 | mckenziemc | anyway i wonder if there's any syncronization issues with the fishing events >.> |
| 20:58.15 | Amarande | Given that the only time you really *need* other people when leveling now is for that one arena thing in Tanaris, I think ... |
| 20:58.31 | Amarande | You need to pick up a quest for Stranglethorn I think, but not for Kalu'ak |
| 20:58.38 | Amarande | or was it the other way round |
| 20:59.26 | mckenziemc | pick up quest at one time of day -> go to world zone with a time that won't spawn the fish o.o |
| 20:59.35 | mckenziemc | well, idk how it works specifically |
| 20:59.58 | kd3 | wow |
| 21:00.07 | kd3 | people are actually gathering sandlol in silithus |
| 21:00.13 | mckenziemc | lol |
| 21:00.44 | Amarande | I pretty much liked how I used to have run of the zone while leveling in most cases |
| 21:00.58 | Amarande | ugh, and finishing out my cooking recipe list is going to be a nightmare now |
| 21:01.13 | Amarande | seeing as the only world ones I still need, to my remembrance are the ones from the Desolace sell bots |
| 21:01.43 | Amarande | it's hard enough to get those, they're rarely enough on the AH as it is, and now that the recipes that spawn once per bot will be once per several realms per bot? |
| 21:02.37 | Amarande | like I said, did the playerbase really show a desire for this or did Blizzard decide to just do it without any real player interest being shown for denser populated zones? |
| 21:03.26 | znf | Amarande, weird that you say that |
| 21:03.39 | znf | I had all of them on the AH for cheap (like under 200g each) |
| 21:03.40 | znf | None sold |
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| 21:40.44 | Amarande | Guh, which addon is this *tries to figure it out* |
| 21:40.56 | Amarande | It's a Broker addon, and it lets you click to summon a random mount or minipet |
| 21:41.19 | Amarande | The minipet one is doing nothing but "you do not have a pet" though, whether I just click it or whether I right-click and try to pick a specific pet from the menus |
| 21:41.32 | kd3 | companion summoning is broken atm |
| 21:41.40 | Amarande | ah |
| 21:41.49 | Amarande | that would be it, since it's certainly able to tell which ones I have |
| 21:42.13 | Amarande | I'm guessing it's going to stay broken till MoP? |
| 21:42.27 | kd3 | or if they ship us a newer build before thin |
| 21:42.29 | kd3 | then* |
| 21:42.30 | Amarande | presuming it's something to do with changes in re battle pets, and thus that it won't work again till battle pets are allowed |
| 21:43.09 | Amarande | as in, it's probably running some sort of authorisation check "has this player bought MoP and enabled battle pets" and not allowing a companion summon at all unless yes? |
| 21:44.10 | Gnarfoz | doubt another build is going to make it to live before the 25th |
| 21:44.27 | Amarande | heh, the trouble with configuring the UI anew from scratch, especially after a big patch ... |
| 21:44.40 | Amarande | oftentimes, it's not so easy to figure out which particular addon is responsible for a specific widget |
| 21:44.52 | Amarande | frex, I have this coordinate box that I can drag around and I'm not sure which addon it belongs to |
| 21:45.30 | mckenziemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:45.58 | Amarande | ah, tomtom apparently |
| 21:46.00 | Amarande | thanks, mckenziemc |
| 21:46.02 | Gnarfoz | what about it? |
| 21:46.22 | Adys | Maldivia: oh tell me there will be a torchwood recall with those pterodactyls |
| 21:46.32 | Amarande | bwuh. is fonter broken atm? |
| 21:46.47 | Amarande | some of the stuff like the chat font change worked, but a lot of stuff is stuck in fail quadrata |
| 21:46.48 | znf | from what I noticed, most font addons haven't been updated in years |
| 21:47.00 | znf | honestly, it's easier to just replace the .ttf file in Fonts\ |
| 21:47.04 | Amarande | or is the solution, increasingly, going to be to learn to like FQ? |
| 21:47.10 | Gnarfoz | has always been that way |
| 21:47.34 | znf | take favorite font |
| 21:47.41 | znf | rename it to FRIZQT__.TTF and place it in WoW\Fonts |
| 21:47.59 | Amarande | however, this has always been an issue with fonter even before the patch |
| 21:48.02 | Gnarfoz | font addons only make sense for people wanting > 2 fonts in their UI |
| 21:48.10 | mckenziemc | suggests Comic Sans |
| 21:48.12 | znf | For consistency, do the same with ARIALN.ttf FRIENDS.ttf MORPHEUS.ttf and skurri.ttf |
| 21:48.16 | Amarande | and I've never quite remembered exactly what I had to do to make stuff stick before |
| 21:48.19 | znf | That's what I did :D |
| 21:48.21 | Gnarfoz | wtf is friends ttf o_O |
| 21:48.36 | znf | Gnarfoz, it's used for the real-id frame |
| 21:48.38 | Gnarfoz | did Blizzard add one after all the years of there being 4? |
| 21:48.49 | znf | yeah |
| 21:48.53 | Gnarfoz | I see |
| 21:48.59 | znf | this was added when they added real-id |
| 21:49.18 | Amarande | what I've always wondered is why WoW can't just pick fonts from the ones installed on the system |
| 21:49.29 | Amarande | i.e., why the fonts have to be in a specific folder even if you have them installed |
| 21:50.19 | Amarande | I'm guessing it has something to do with that then the price of WoW would have to be raised by about a hundred bucks to account for the fact that then they'd probably have to install five fonts fully onto the system and pass on licencing costs accordingly? |
| 21:50.27 | znf | could be |
| 21:50.35 | mckenziemc | ..................... |
| 21:50.39 | znf | also, I wouldn't want my game to index my huge collection of fonts each time it starts |
| 21:50.41 | Amarande | has bought fonts, knows that a typical font costs about $30 |
| 21:50.43 | Gnarfoz | ,,,,,,? :D |
| 21:50.56 | Amarande | moreover, what you and I think of as "costs about $30" is not what the font world thinks about "costs about $30" |
| 21:51.24 | Amarande | you would expect you got a complete font for $30. newp. you get NORMAL for $30. If you want Bold, Italic, and Bold Italic, expect to pay another thirty bucks for each :P |
| 21:51.29 | znf | nah, it's not that :P |
| 21:57.19 | Amarande | ah, NOW I am starting to get results |
| 21:57.26 | Amarande | this is one thing that is never quite obvious with fonter |
| 21:57.42 | Amarande | setting the fonts is not enough - for most things if you don't set the size sliders also it won't change any of the fonts |
| 21:58.31 | cbreak | font design is a major pain |
| 21:58.44 | cbreak | so much detail tweaking |
| 21:59.13 | cbreak | especially if you want a good font |
| 21:59.22 | cbreak | one that looks good at different small sizes |
| 21:59.31 | cbreak | then you'll have manual tweaks for each size |
| 21:59.44 | cbreak | of course, also for each weight |
| 22:02.43 | Amarande | yeah, it's a lot more complicated than it sounds |
| 22:03.09 | Amarande | however, when going to buy a font for the first time, it can be something of a shock to see the pricing system |
| 22:03.26 | cbreak | that's why I use free fonts :) |
| 22:03.32 | cbreak | Menlo ftw! |
| 22:03.38 | Amarande | maybe $30 for four different font styles would be asking a bit much, more like it would be more ... customer-friendly to show from the get go that it's $99 for the "expected package" |
| 22:03.45 | Amarande | (i.e., regular/bold/italic/bold-italic) |
| 22:03.53 | cbreak | Gentium FTW |
| 22:04.21 | cbreak | (honestly, italic and bold are abominations :) |
| 22:05.04 | cbreak | especially italics |
| 22:06.03 | Amarande | you know, the one thing I've noticed about Gentium is that I am nowhere near versed enough in legal matters to figure out whether or not I'm allowed to embed it in a PDF for further distribution, and whether or not the PDF has to be copylefted if so |
| 22:07.25 | cbreak | "Gentium and Gentium Plus are released under the SIL Open Font License, which permits use for any publication, whether electronic or printed. For more answers to use questions see the OFL-FAQ. The license, alongside information specific to Gentium, is in the release package." |
| 22:12.11 | Amarande | bwuh. I've managed to fix the fonts on everything *BUT* three things I can see atm |
| 22:14.28 | Amarande | 1) TomTom coordinates box, 2) Bartender buttons, 3) certain bars in Aranarth's broker addons (guild XP bar, rep progress bars) |
| 22:14.38 | Amarande | bartender is still locked on Arial Narrow, the other two are stuck in FQ |
| 22:14.49 | Amarande | I remember managing to change the Bartender font at some point but I can't remember exactly how I did it. :| |
| 22:15.12 | Amarande | Didn't use TomTom before now, not sure if that can be changed at all besides with file override |
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| 22:15.28 | Amarande | and never did manage to get the progress bars in ara broker addons to change fonts |
| 22:21.01 | Amarande | hm. |
| 22:21.05 | Amarande | what the hell are Ironpaw Tokens? |
| 22:21.37 | Amarande | my broker currency thing used to track Dalaran Cooking Awards, capital city cooking awards, Darkmoon Prize tickets, CP, and JP |
| 22:21.51 | Amarande | now that the two cooking award types are merged, it's correctly changed one of them to Epicurean's Award as expected |
| 22:22.04 | Amarande | but the other one changed to "Ironpaw Tokens", what are those? |
| 22:22.23 | kd3 | the new cooking award |
| 22:22.33 | kd3 | tillers cooking stuff in vfw |
| 22:23.00 | Amarande | ah |
| 22:23.54 | Amarande | hrm |
| 22:23.57 | Amarande | shattrath seems to be shared |
| 22:24.56 | Ressy | pretty much everywhere is shared except sw/org |
| 22:26.01 | Ressy | Derevka was saying he was trying to do the fishing contest out of dalaran, and when he went to the area to fish, the server he switched to was an hour behind, so he couldn't fish any of the contest sharks. |
| 22:26.01 | Amarande | yeah, but it was originally said "capital cities" |
| 22:26.16 | Amarande | or are places other than SW/Org not actually considered capitals? |
| 22:26.52 | Amarande | huh. is there any plan to fix the fishing contest time issues, or is it just going to be that you're going to have to be able to be online practically all day to do a contest now, in case of time changes? |
| 22:27.17 | Ressy | theres a huge thread about it on the forums. |
| 22:27.19 | Ressy | 50+ pages |
| 22:27.29 | Amarande | not to mention, how long before someone finds a way to game the system to win more than once? or does the quest system prevent that? |
| 22:27.34 | Ressy | Rygarius posted to it last night saying they were passing on all the bugs/concerns/feedback to the devs |
| 22:27.48 | Amarande | i.e., after winning, keep flying in/out of the zone till you get one from an earlier time zone so you can do it again |
| 22:28.14 | Amarande | it seems like this whole xrealm thing wasn't really thought through |
| 22:28.20 | Amarande | and I'm still wondering how much of it was really asked for by players |
| 22:28.53 | Amarande | there've been a few cynics on the forums who insist that it's a Blizzard business decision that they attempted to repackage as a game improvement for players |
| 22:29.14 | Amarande | i.e., to cut down on server resource costs by merging zones and then finding a way to sugar coat it |
| 22:29.52 | Amarande | probably in order to allow them to keep Diablo III popular without having to increase their server footprint, I presume |
| 22:30.08 | Amarande | any truth, Ressy? |
| 22:31.17 | Ressy | not a clue. |
| 22:31.31 | Ressy | but to do this cross realm takes quite a bit of time, and money |
| 22:31.58 | Ressy | frankly, they should have kept it to low lvl zones only. |
| 22:32.22 | Mr_Rabies | hopefully this mess with the fishing contest will make them redo the contests somehow |
| 22:32.47 | Ressy | either that, or they'll fix the cross realm so that you don't cross realm on certain days, between certain times |
| 22:32.55 | Ressy | it'd honestly be the easiest. |
| 22:33.09 | Mr_Rabies | well, the fishing contest has so many issues now |
| 22:33.16 | Mr_Rabies | even before CRZ |
| 22:33.49 | Mr_Rabies | it should be daily, at least |
| 22:34.08 | Mr_Rabies | if not scrapped entirely and replaced with something more interesting |
| 22:34.50 | Ressy | too much time & money invested |
| 22:34.56 | Amarande | yeah, a new system would be costly as well |
| 22:35.11 | Ressy | They'll fix it. Cheaper than a brand new system. |
| 22:35.16 | Amarande | The cynics' thought is that with cross realm they'll be able to start disassociating zones from servers altogether |
| 22:35.28 | Amarande | therefore, stop needing to have a one-to-one correspondence between server machines and realms |
| 22:35.44 | mckenziemc | well, they don't :p |
| 22:35.47 | Amarande | and thus be able to run on fewer machines, which can be repurposed for D3 or whatever the next big Blizzard title is |
| 22:36.13 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, but i'm not even starting on the rest of the fishing achievements until i win the contest, Ressy |
| 22:36.24 | Mr_Rabies | and i haven't won the contest in the two years i've been trying |
| 22:37.00 | Mr_Rabies | there's no reason whatsoever for the contests to be so important, despite being so messed up in various ways |
| 22:37.41 | Mr_Rabies | either remove their significance by decoupling them from a major profession achievement, or make them worth their status |
| 22:42.29 | znf | Mr_Rabies, find an empty realm |
| 22:42.39 | znf | create a char there, profit |
| 22:42.56 | Mr_Rabies | except, you know |
| 22:43.00 | Mr_Rabies | cross realm stuff |
| 22:43.04 | znf | you US? :P |
| 22:43.11 | Amarande | hrm. did they change the durability on some items? |
| 22:43.23 | Amarande | went to repost all my stuff on AH, including stuff that had *been* on the AH last time I was on |
| 22:43.30 | Stanzilla | anyone with a warcraft movies premium account? |
| 22:43.31 | Amarande | and some of it won't post because it needs repairs all of a sudden |
| 22:43.59 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, znf |
| 22:45.00 | Mr_Rabies | oh god no |
| 22:45.06 | Mr_Rabies | the apocalypse has begun |
| 22:45.20 | Mr_Rabies | latin american realms just wound up in our cross-realm group |
| 22:46.21 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies, there's other fun things, like that apparently RP realms aren't being properly segregated from non-RP |
| 22:46.35 | Amarande | hope you like walking in on a couple of Moon Guard folks every now and then if you get my drift LOL |
| 22:46.49 | Mr_Rabies | i'd sooner have to deal with that than a language barrier |
| 22:47.08 | Amarande | well, you never really have to talk to the other people in questing zones unless you're on group quests |
| 22:47.10 | Amarande | which ... are quite few |
| 22:47.33 | Mr_Rabies | i can make fun of moon guard people, but it being impossible for people to understand each other in an MMO really sucks, and kind of ruins the point |
| 22:47.59 | Amarande | I wonder how well Wyrmrest Accord is handling it |
| 22:48.12 | Amarande | the problem with WA - MG, as I've noted several times before, is that WA is actually a serious RP realm |
| 22:48.29 | Mr_Rabies | moon guard people can stop being creepy as the regular populace start to encroach upon their realm |
| 22:48.39 | Amarande | they, before 5.0, were scared stiff of the idea of Moon Guard types regularly being randomly placed with them |
| 22:48.57 | Mr_Rabies | people who don't speak english won't learn to speak it because of CRZ, and vice-versa |
| 22:49.18 | Mr_Rabies | well, yeah, RPers are a skittish folk |
| 22:49.20 | Amarande | I guess it isn't any worse than FFXI though, where people regularly couldn't communicate because Japanese and English speakers were on the same servers IIRC |
| 22:49.26 | Amarande | the language thing, that is |
| 22:49.38 | Mr_Rabies | FFXI didn't do so well, probably somewhat as a consequence |
| 22:49.43 | Mr_Rabies | i hope wow doesn't go own that road |
| 22:49.45 | Amarande | Or Guild Wars, where it wasn't too uncommon for Korean and English speakers to be in the same channel |
| 22:50.17 | Amarande | GW was rather successful though (the fact that you get many of the benefits of a true MMORPG without having to pay a subscription helps) |
| 22:51.10 | Mr_Rabies | i'd honestly stop playing if this change was permanent, the social aspects of an MMO are the most important parts to me |
| 22:51.27 | Mr_Rabies | not being able to socialize kind of kills that |
| 22:51.37 | Mr_Rabies | and i'm certainly not paying like, a thousand dollars to transfer |
| 22:52.21 | Amarande | transfer wouldn't help, anyway |
| 22:52.39 | Amarande | from what I heard on the wowhead channel, it sounds as if it isn't being kept within datacentres |
| 22:52.47 | Amarande | only within game regions as a whole |
| 22:52.54 | Mr_Rabies | it seems to be, so far, to me |
| 22:53.01 | Amarande | I just hope that old problem I kept having with DCs on West Coast servers doesn't crop up again |
| 22:53.05 | Mr_Rabies | it's the same realms i tend to see in LFD |
| 22:54.02 | Amarande | ... why are librams still classified as recipes on the AH instead of junk? |
| 22:54.15 | Mr_Rabies | i don't know :( |
| 22:54.20 | Mr_Rabies | they haunt me |
| 22:54.21 | Mr_Rabies | forever |
| 22:54.29 | Mr_Rabies | they also still show up when you click "usable" |
| 22:57.24 | Amarande | well, that's because they are |
| 22:57.35 | Amarande | "this item can be read" counts as usable I presume :) |
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| 23:01.28 | Mr_Rabies | well yeah, but it's not a recipe |
| 23:01.37 | Mr_Rabies | at most, it's miscellaneous |
| 23:05.00 | Amarande | yeah, it should be under misc |
| 23:05.01 | mckenziemc | are librams junk? |
| 23:05.11 | Amarande | mckenziemc, they have no practical use |
| 23:05.19 | Amarande | so they're pretty much in the same category as "A Steamy Romance Novel" now |
| 23:05.28 | mckenziemc | what changed |
| 23:05.35 | mckenziemc | and when |
| 23:05.42 | Amarande | the quests in Dire Maul that they went with were removed |
| 23:05.53 | Amarande | 4.0, I think |
| 23:05.54 | mckenziemc | ah |
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| 23:13.42 | znf | So, big question |
| 23:13.48 | znf | if I have 3 people in a group |
| 23:13.54 | znf | and they all have different BGs blacklisted |
| 23:13.57 | znf | what happens? :D |
| 23:14.41 | foxlit | If I were the person writing that feature, only the leader's blacklist would count |
| 23:14.51 | mckenziemc | one of you suffers a heart attack, gets disconnected, and removed from the group |
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| 23:43.23 | F16Gaming | is there something equivalent to regex's ? in lua patterns? :d |
| 23:43.46 | F16Gaming | like in regex "a?" means zero or one a |
| 23:44.05 | foxlit | yes, ?. |
| 23:44.28 | F16Gaming | hm |
| 23:44.45 | F16Gaming | lua> ("Hello"):match("h?e") |
| 23:44.45 | lua_bot | F16Gaming: e |
| 23:49.20 | Adys | F16Gaming: lua patterns are case sensitive |
| 23:49.29 | F16Gaming | yeah, it was another issue :P |
| 23:49.32 | F16Gaming | i had this: |
| 23:49.42 | F16Gaming | ("Hello"):match("^h?e") |
| 23:49.51 | F16Gaming | but i forgot that it would then match against ^e if h is not there |
| 23:54.32 | Gnarfoz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCYZZPwJr_c |
