| 00:00.04 | Fisker | pokemon is great g0urra |
| 00:00.14 | Adys | kd3: so what actually happened to that area? why did you bring it up? |
| 00:00.18 | Fisker | just wait until they put in some kind of android/ios integration with a monetization scheme |
| 00:00.19 | Fisker | KA-CHING |
| 00:00.32 | kd3 | someone brought up outland and the oddities in belf/space goat lands |
| 00:01.49 | Adys | my autogenerated password begins with a ^ and ends with a $ |
| 00:01.53 | Adys | I'm a happy man. |
| 00:02.00 | kd3 | lol |
| 00:02.53 | Adys | and you still cant fucking fly in ghostlands |
| 00:02.55 | Vladinator | gonna make my pass something like "/^Vlad$/ui" :P |
| 00:04.02 | Adys | i should make my password something like "cat /etc/shadow- | grep ^adys" |
| 00:04.12 | Adys | not the result of course. |
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| 00:05.14 | Adys | time to raise a bunch of invoices |
| 00:05.21 | starlon | Has anyone here extracted the Lua files from the mpqs for current patch? |
| 00:05.31 | Adys | cant you do that yourself nowadays? kd3? |
| 00:05.38 | starlon | I don't know. |
| 00:05.51 | starlon | How would I do that? |
| 00:05.51 | Semlar | what lua files |
| 00:05.55 | kd3 | ~framexml |
| 00:05.55 | purl | hmm... framexml is Blizzard's UI for WoW. Export code/art from the client by using the wow.exe -console or open 'World of Warcraft.app' --args -console after game loads press ~ and enter commands "ExportInterfaceFiles code" and "ExportInterfaceFiles art" (must be used on login screen); or view it online at http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source , http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser or http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml |
| 00:05.58 | starlon | Ah |
| 00:06.07 | starlon | kd3: danka |
| 00:06.15 | kd3 | I send diffs every build if you're not on the list |
| 00:06.26 | starlon | k |
| 00:06.50 | Fisker | sits down with kd3 at the clay-table |
| 00:07.10 | starlon | email list? What's the addy? |
| 00:07.23 | starlon | Or I'll look at these pages. |
| 00:07.25 | kd3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:07.26 | starlon | :) |
| 00:07.31 | starlon | ok |
| 00:07.53 | Vladinator | is elwynn area 30? |
| 00:08.00 | Fisker | no such nick or channel kd3 :'( |
| 00:08.24 | starlon | elwynn is the first zone for humans. |
| 00:08.47 | Adys | Vladinator: i think so |
| 00:08.54 | Adys | Vladinator: for reference, iirc, dun morogh is 1 |
| 00:08.55 | Vladinator | just checking :P |
| 00:09.19 | Fisker | hey Stanzilla |
| 00:09.57 | Semlar | GetMapNameByID(areaID) |
| 00:10.03 | Stanzilla | hey Fisker |
| 00:10.57 | Adys | Vladinator: you might be interested by http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info14774-FindIt.html |
| 00:11.15 | Adys | i will update it for MoP |
| 00:11.57 | Vladinator | just curious |
| 00:12.09 | Vladinator | azuremyst is under outland map but it's supposed to be kalimdor |
| 00:12.16 | Vladinator | can I get this info from the dpc? :P |
| 00:12.54 | Vladinator | dbc* |
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| 00:13.53 | Adys | Vladinator: yes |
| 00:14.07 | Adys | i think its.. |
| 00:14.11 | Adys | worldmapoverride or something |
| 00:15.02 | Stanzilla | tardmrr: tailoring is missing in tradetabs btw |
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| 00:18.56 | Vladinator | worldmapcontinent seems to help out |
| 00:19.41 | Adys | could be |
| 00:22.05 | tardmrr | hmm, it worked for me |
| 00:22.14 | tardmrr | gimme a few minutes to finish this dungeon |
| 00:27.16 | Fisker | Stanzilla |
| 00:27.59 | Stanzilla | Fisker |
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| 00:31.19 | Fisker | no mckenziemc |
| 00:32.17 | mckenziemc | too late Fisker |
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| 01:23.06 | tardmrr | oh, Stanzilla I found the problem |
| 01:23.25 | tardmrr | I dislexia'd the skill line |
| 01:24.02 | tardmrr | 179 instead of 197 |
| 01:24.30 | Vladinator | so IsQuestFlaggedCompleted to check if quest is completed, okay! I hope it's performance friendly :P |
| 01:25.34 | Vladinator | nvm GetQuestsCompleted() just doesn't need to wait for a response |
| 01:25.40 | tardmrr | Stanzilla, uploaded a fix |
| 01:26.12 | Stanzilla | nice |
| 01:26.13 | Stanzilla | thank you |
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| 01:42.12 | Vladinator | Adys I have a problem with POI :( |
| 01:44.07 | Arrowmaster | reddit really disappoints me at times, a richard simions joke gets me almost 130 karma but my latest joke comparing schools and prisons, and the education received in each only has 20 |
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| 01:46.16 | Adys | Vladinator: yes? |
| 01:47.12 | Vladinator | asd |
| 01:47.19 | Vladinator | :< |
| 01:47.24 | Adys | ? |
| 01:47.33 | Vladinator | 0.043 0.066 |
| 01:48.02 | Vladinator | my problem is it's a decimal place too small :P |
| 01:49.14 | Neffi | Vladinator: What's the problem? |
| 01:50.43 | Vladinator | I fixed it, hehe, updating my candy buckets map addon :D |
| 01:50.59 | Vladinator | shows candy icons on inns you haven't gotten candy from :3 |
| 01:51.11 | Neffi | lol |
| 01:51.52 | Vladinator | why? it's useful :P |
| 01:51.58 | Vladinator | if you wanna go where you haven't yet visited |
| 01:52.11 | Vladinator | question, why doesn't the world map also show POI and blobs? |
| 01:52.13 | Vladinator | :/ |
| 01:52.19 | Vladinator | I thought blizz was adding it |
| 01:52.36 | Vladinator | so you can zoom out and look at the whole continent, and see all the quest icons and areas |
| 01:52.43 | Neffi | No, it is |
| 01:52.57 | Neffi | I was laughing because it's a fun idea |
| 01:53.22 | Neffi | nfMap will do that =) |
| 01:53.35 | Neffi | Satellite view by default and a full DB of blobs, POI, etc |
| 01:53.40 | Neffi | And better handling of quest objectives |
| 01:54.05 | Neffi | Don't wait up on it. Working on so much shit right now, plus homework. =| |
| 01:54.23 | Vladinator | hmm |
| 01:54.35 | Vladinator | :D |
| 01:54.38 | Vladinator | quickie |
| 01:54.48 | Vladinator | why does my tooltip NOT appear over the worldmap when its fullscreen? |
| 01:54.49 | Vladinator | :( |
| 01:55.12 | Vladinator | tip:SetOwner(poi, "ANCHOR_CURSOR_RIGHT", 5, 2) |
| 01:55.20 | Vladinator | does it inherit the poi object strata? |
| 01:56.48 | Vladinator | worked fine pre-mop so something happened along the way, oh well, ;D |
| 01:56.53 | Vladinator | btw your nfMap |
| 01:56.56 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/KSRkq.jpg finally got the other-worldly zones in the right place |
| 01:56.58 | Vladinator | I hope you add API |
| 01:57.09 | Vladinator | for easy third party POI button adding :P |
| 01:57.14 | Vladinator | and customizable and such |
| 01:57.16 | Vladinator | gj Semlar |
| 01:57.23 | Vladinator | you work hard on that project :) |
| 01:58.06 | Neffi | Vlad: Being friendly to other devs has never been my stron point. But I'm actually rewriting all my shit now to be "production quality" and generally better off in that very respect. |
| 01:58.23 | Neffi | Adding full type validation to nfWidget is a chore. But it needed to be done. |
| 01:58.36 | Vladinator | it depends on the addon type, but things like map addons, those should be more flexible :P |
| 01:58.48 | Vladinator | so other authors can code their addons to work with yours, if they like it ;D |
| 01:59.02 | Neffi | You're doing certain things internally anyway. It only makes sense to expose your internal flexibility to the outside world. |
| 01:59.10 | Vladinator | look at carbonite, if it was up to date, polished, working properly and with API people could add stuff onto it and it would be awesome ;) |
| 01:59.13 | Neffi | Why work against the grain when you can do the opposite just as easily? |
| 01:59.38 | Semlar | to be contrary |
| 02:00.02 | Neffi | Hence I'm rewriting my libraries first to be less geared towards my specific use |
| 02:00.22 | Neffi | I really think nfWidget can be a nice library for the community with 1.2 |
| 02:01.34 | Neffi | Semlar: Being obtruse is not a respectable qualoty |
| 02:01.41 | Neffi | Regardless of people like Theo |
| 02:01.43 | Neffi | =) |
| 02:01.48 | Semlar | what about being shartruse |
| 02:02.03 | Semlar | wow that's not even close to the right spelling |
| 02:02.13 | Semlar | this must be french |
| 02:02.58 | Neffi | That reminds me of some fat guy who farts a lot in public and you see little berries fall out now and again |
| 02:03.07 | Neffi | I'm inclined to think that's a very negative quality |
| 02:05.37 | Semlar | i need to scale this while keeping it centered on the mouse |
| 02:05.55 | Semlar | i know that's relatively simple but does anyone know the formula off the top of their head |
| 02:06.14 | Neffi | Scaling via mousewheel? |
| 02:06.32 | Semlar | nah just repositioning it so the same area is under the mouse after it's been scaled |
| 02:07.08 | Semlar | like getting the top left position, scaling it, then applying the difference or something |
| 02:08.07 | Neffi | Get the mouse position on screen, run it against the position of the texture it's directly over, convert that to percentage of the texture ([0,1],[0,1]), scale |
| 02:08.22 | Neffi | Use percentages of where it was WRT old texture to move the same texture to the same area |
| 02:09.06 | Neffi | Depending on how the game's engine treats region scales via :SetScale, you might be able to trick C-side into doing this for you |
| 02:09.19 | Neffi | Play around with :SetScale and see if it wants to keep the proper point |
| 02:11.50 | Xinhuan | that is actually a common thing to code for in iOS |
| 02:12.06 | Xinhuan | because when you do pinch/zoom, you do the exact same thing |
| 02:12.08 | Neffi | iOS doesn't do that for you? |
| 02:12.10 | Xinhuan | nope |
| 02:12.14 | Neffi | Wierd |
| 02:12.17 | Vladinator | http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/candy-buckets/ :D |
| 02:12.22 | Neffi | Android does it for you, no? |
| 02:12.24 | Xinhuan | you basically get the 2 previous touch points, and the 2 current touch points |
| 02:12.36 | Xinhuan | and calculate the oldDist / newDist |
| 02:12.51 | Neffi | I mean it's not overly hard to do, but figuring it out to begin with is the kind of thing I'd pause on for a few minutes =/ |
| 02:12.54 | Xinhuan | then translate the map by the center point of the old and new, and move by the scaled amount |
| 02:13.05 | Xinhuan | and no, android shoudn't do it for you either |
| 02:13.34 | Neffi | There are so many other similar things they do like screen rotation. I'm surprised pinching and zooming needs to be done manually. |
| 02:13.47 | Xinhuan | because a pinch/zoom gesture should be programmable to exactly what the programmer wants - which isn't necessarily always the pinch/zoom you expect, such as the picture staying with certain boundaries |
| 02:14.00 | Xinhuan | you'll be surprised at how manythings need to be done manually |
| 02:14.18 | Xinhuan | all the inputs you have are touch callbacks |
| 02:14.25 | Xinhuan | and little else |
| 02:15.17 | Xinhuan | keyboard input are only in response to textbox/editbox UI elements, which have their own callbacks |
| 02:15.27 | Neffi | Eventually I will learn Dalvik Java and the Android infrastructure |
| 02:15.37 | Neffi | Too lazy to want to learn such a large language like Java though |
| 02:15.53 | Xinhuan | so yes, you also have to manually convert the touch coordinates into your own coordinate system (from screen coordinates into your world/frame coordinate system) |
| 02:16.10 | Xinhuan | there's helper functions for some of this at least |
| 02:17.38 | Xinhuan | every parent/child relationship basically has a transformation matrix :P |
| 02:17.39 | Neffi | I used to know a wiki that had a pretty massive wealth of common algorithms, and their representation in pseudocode as well as almost every language (incl Lua most of the time). Wish I stil had that bookmarked. |
| 02:17.52 | Neffi | It was so useful when trying to tackle efficient sorting algorithms |
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| 02:18.13 | Neffi | If anyone knows what site that is, I will love you if you link it |
| 02:18.42 | Xinhuan | Neffi: en.wikipedia.org :P |
| 02:18.46 | Xinhuan | ZING! |
| 02:18.48 | Neffi | lol |
| 02:18.57 | Neffi | It had such better code examples |
| 02:19.04 | Neffi | And every algorithm I could ever think to want to use |
| 02:19.33 | Neffi | Wait, maybe this was it http://rosettacode.org/wiki/ |
| 02:19.38 | Xinhuan | pretty much any algorithm can also be found with pseudocode on wikipedia lol |
| 02:20.00 | Xinhuan | and because lua is very pseudocode-like, its typically almost a 1:1 line conversion |
| 02:20.09 | Neffi | True enough |
| 02:24.05 | Neffi | Oh Xinhuan, there was something I meant to ask you before you leave again |
| 02:24.31 | Neffi | Oh yeah, you're keeping Routes up-to-date, correct? |
| 02:24.37 | Neffi | I mean, if it ever does break? |
| 02:24.42 | Xinhuan | i want to, yes |
| 02:24.46 | Neffi | awesome |
| 02:25.01 | Neffi | If you ever to quit, I'll take it over if nobody else wants to, if that's cool with you |
| 02:25.04 | durcyn | the clustering function's been hanging for me on 5.0, now that you mention it |
| 02:25.38 | Xinhuan | well durcyn, i'm not convinced that's a routes thing heh |
| 02:26.02 | Neffi | durcyn: Disable other addons and try? |
| 02:26.08 | Xinhuan | if any addon uses more than 20ms of time or something during combat, wow will now kill your addon |
| 02:26.09 | durcyn | neither am i, but filling out bug reports is for users -P |
| 02:26.39 | Xinhuan | so even route's background optimization option is a bit problematic |
| 02:26.54 | Xinhuan | because i kill your FPS to a very low rate |
| 02:27.07 | Neffi | Maybe a decent library for cooperative multitasking would help us out |
| 02:27.11 | Semlar | it'll only kill it during combat? |
| 02:27.14 | Neffi | Something easier to use than doing your own coroutines |
| 02:27.17 | Xinhuan | that's what the blue post said |
| 02:27.38 | Xinhuan | well, its 20ms per addon i think, also 20ms is just a guess |
| 02:27.44 | Xinhuan | i dont' know the actual number |
| 02:27.48 | Neffi | I'm thinking that logic is buggy, 'cause now Auctionator hangs during a scan when the code really shouldn't be |
| 02:27.49 | Semlar | i've locked up the game through the course of working on my addon but of course i haven't been in combat |
| 02:28.14 | Neffi | And a few other addons are seeing reports of hangs during large workload where they didn't before |
| 02:28.46 | Subspace | I just documented all the numbers returned for all classes execept monk for GetInspectSpecialization("unit"). I want to share the info with other addon devs |
| 02:28.59 | Semlar | it could be because monitoring their cpu usage is in itself going to add time |
| 02:29.01 | Subspace | Anyone here edit wowpedia? Or can I do it w/o signing up for anything? |
| 02:29.40 | kd3 | it takes ~15s to sign up for an account |
| 02:29.53 | Subspace | Just enter username/pass/email or something? |
| 02:29.57 | kd3 | yah |
| 02:30.06 | Subspace | Ahh ok, maybe I will do it in a little while then |
| 02:30.12 | Xinhuan | u can also edit without signing in, and it will use your IP address |
| 02:30.14 | Adys | Subspace: wowpedia has a channel. #wowpedia |
| 02:30.15 | Xinhuan | as the editor's name |
| 02:30.24 | Subspace | Adys, Oh really? Hmm thanks |
| 02:30.26 | kd3 | not on wowpedia, we've got anon editing disabled |
| 02:30.28 | Semlar | i actually can't load any wowpedia pages except the index |
| 02:30.32 | Xinhuan | oh kd3? |
| 02:30.49 | Xinhuan | didn't know that |
| 02:31.12 | Semlar | i'm getting a "connection to the server was reset" error but that could just be me |
| 02:31.33 | Semlar | ah well it's loading now so many it was just a hiccup |
| 02:31.39 | Semlar | maybe* |
| 02:32.15 | Semlar | probably my crappy internet connection |
| 02:32.34 | Neffi | Semlar: Regarding adding time to internal profiling, I doubt it's much. Everything is already originated from frame draws, which they keep an internal counter for (as evidenced by OnUpdate getting `elapsed`). So they already had a time-counting system in place. |
| 02:33.11 | Semlar | yeah it's probably not a big impact |
| 02:33.17 | durcyn | Neffi / Xinhuan: seems to be a function of the number of nodes, client lives through a twilight highlands combination mining/herbing route from a gathermate2_data import, total of 1295 nodes. hangs the client on the same data for deephoml, total of 2418 nodes |
| 02:33.26 | durcyn | deepholm, rather |
| 02:33.40 | Neffi | durcyn: Time will go up exponentially with more nodes, yes |
| 02:33.41 | kd3 | subspace; http://www.wowpedia.org/API_GetInspectSpecialization edit when ready |
| 02:33.43 | Xinhuan | i believe Routes is coded not to accept input more than 732 nodes |
| 02:33.48 | Neffi | That's a simple fact of the algorithm |
| 02:33.55 | Neffi | Solve P=NP if you want to fix that =P |
| 02:34.05 | Subspace | kd3, Thanks for making a stub page :) |
| 02:34.05 | Xinhuan | if you have more than 732 nodes or so, it cannot allocated enough memory in a single array |
| 02:34.15 | Xinhuan | (4 array memory limit) |
| 02:34.15 | durcyn | Neffi: yes, i'm aware. the only reason i brought it up is the script execution limit in the 5.0 client seems to be tighter |
| 02:34.17 | kd3 | yw |
| 02:34.37 | Semlar | wait what there's a limit to how many nodes you can have in an array? |
| 02:34.43 | Xinhuan | ya |
| 02:34.47 | Neffi | It seems we need to start delegating things to coroutines or something else, and doing cooperating multitasking |
| 02:34.52 | Xinhuan | 4 mb is the array limit |
| 02:34.53 | Semlar | i made a single table that held every spell in the game once |
| 02:34.55 | Neffi | At least for heavy workloads |
| 02:34.58 | Semlar | it used 40mb of ram |
| 02:35.12 | Xinhuan | if u have tables inside tables, that doesn't count |
| 02:35.16 | Xinhuan | i'm talking about a single table |
| 02:35.27 | Neffi | Xinhuan: Source on that? I've done tests a long time ago to see if I could crash WoW when first learning Lua. I filled up my RAM. |
| 02:35.30 | Semlar | i'm fairly sure it had more than a thousand keys in the base table, at least |
| 02:35.33 | Neffi | Oh, that makes sense then |
| 02:35.36 | Xinhuan | Neffi, its a lua default setting |
| 02:35.54 | Neffi | 4MB as in the metadata used to represent the table internally, and not the actual contents? |
| 02:36.00 | Xinhuan | ya |
| 02:36.02 | Semlar | i basically just exported the spell.dbc file into a lua table |
| 02:36.08 | Xinhuan | 1000 keys only uses 4000 bytes, semlar |
| 02:36.11 | Neffi | Ah. 'Cause I made something like 4 GB worth of strings once |
| 02:36.37 | Neffi | Wait a sec, _G has tens of thousands of entries. Why limit Routes? |
| 02:36.40 | Xinhuan | all keys and values are 32-bit values (either an actual 32-bit value, or a pointer to one) |
| 02:37.09 | Xinhuan | because, instead of storing t[x][y], i'm storing data as t[x*width+y] |
| 02:37.10 | Semlar | the entire table was between 4 and 5mb i don't remember the exact size |
| 02:37.22 | Xinhuan | and once you reach something like N=728 or 732 |
| 02:37.27 | Xinhuan | you exceed the 4 mb limit |
| 02:37.42 | Neffi | Ah, I see |
| 02:37.48 | Neffi | Multi-dimensional flat table |
| 02:37.50 | Xinhuan | i'm using a single 1D flat table instead of a 2D table |
| 02:38.00 | Xinhuan | which works out to be about 30-40% faster in code |
| 02:38.02 | Neffi | Probably better off in terms of performance |
| 02:38.24 | Xinhuan | a*b+y is like magnitudes faster than a table lookup |
| 02:39.02 | Neffi | You could theoretically just code to know the limit, and store a pointer to another table at the last possible entry. Eg a linked lists of one logical table. |
| 02:39.26 | Neffi | But I don't think Routes really needs that ability. How many zones have so many nodes? |
| 02:39.44 | Xinhuan | you'll be surprised |
| 02:39.54 | Neffi | knows how bad Twilight Highlands can be. |
| 02:39.55 | Xinhuan | deepholme has thousands of entries scraped from wowhead |
| 02:39.59 | Neffi | But I don't know many more |
| 02:40.00 | Xinhuan | ya or twilight highlands |
| 02:40.14 | kd3 | and jade forest is even bigger |
| 02:40.14 | Xinhuan | and gathermate_data's db doesn't remove the "duplicate" ones near each other |
| 02:40.21 | Neffi | Twilight Jasmine was such a bitch to farm on my druid =| |
| 02:40.40 | Xinhuan | so before you even do any sort of optimization, you first have to go to gathermate's database and do a "node cleanup" first, to remove duplicate nodes |
| 02:40.56 | Xinhuan | then go to routes, and Cluster to reduce the node count even further, before optimizing |
| 02:40.57 | Neffi | Xinhuan: How hard would it be to change the clustering/optimization algorithm so it only need to being you "close enough" to a cluster to have seen all possible nodes? |
| 02:41.09 | Xinhuan | it already does that Neffi |
| 02:41.13 | Neffi | Eg when your route has a zig-zag between nodes too far to cluster, but an almost straight line would hit them anywya |
| 02:41.14 | Xinhuan | the default is 80 yards |
| 02:41.28 | Xinhuan | i think |
| 02:41.31 | Neffi | It factors in clustering logic for things too far to cluster? |
| 02:41.56 | Neffi | I'm pretty sure it doesn't. Eg herbs in nothern Hillsbrad give you a sharp zig-zag when an almost straight line is enough. |
| 02:42.13 | Xinhuan | oh it doesn't do that on the actual route |
| 02:42.19 | Xinhuan | but it does that at the clustering stage |
| 02:42.39 | Xinhuan | which when you optimize the resultant clustered nodes, represents what you want to do on the original nodes |
| 02:42.54 | Neffi | Would it be hard to calculate a set of probablistic points with values of "confidence you will see it"? |
| 02:43.02 | Xinhuan | probably |
| 02:43.11 | Neffi | I mean, whether or not you will see the node is a simple function of distance from it |
| 02:43.24 | kd3 | and server lag, and phase of the moon, and... |
| 02:43.55 | Neffi | But then again you're probably increasing the optimization time exponentially yet again, to try something like that |
| 02:43.56 | Neffi | Not pretty |
| 02:44.14 | Xinhuan | well, at the clustering stage, i take nodes near each other, and cluster them into a single travel node (the centroid) |
| 02:44.30 | Neffi | And them optimize as if they were one single point, yes? |
| 02:44.31 | Xinhuan | so you only have to travel to that single node, to be treated as having travelled to all the nodes in it |
| 02:44.33 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 02:44.40 | Xinhuan | that's why you cluster first |
| 02:44.59 | Xinhuan | but its an optional stage, because there ARE routes you don't want to cluster - such as netherwing eggs |
| 02:45.05 | Xinhuan | or Blood of Heroes |
| 02:45.12 | Neffi | Ah true |
| 02:45.19 | kd3 | did blood of heroes even survive the cataclysm? |
| 02:45.20 | Xinhuan | the ones that don't have minimap tracking basically |
| 02:45.38 | Xinhuan | not sure heh |
| 02:45.40 | Kraps | Updating character models is a priority and something that the artists are still working on. They were working on Dwarves and are now working on Humans and Orcs. If Humans and Orcs are done successfully, they feel that they can do all of the races. |
| 02:45.44 | Kraps | eeep |
| 02:45.53 | Neffi | I wish AVR wasn't broken. It'd be nice to hook into Routes and give you a GPS HUD |
| 02:46.25 | Neffi | But I suppose it was for the best |
| 02:46.38 | Arrowmaster | flighthub? |
| 02:47.18 | Neffi | Arrowmaster: No, figuring out where a particular map coordinate is, 3-dimentionally, on the screen |
| 02:47.21 | Neffi | Used to be possible |
| 02:47.31 | Neffi | spelling is terrible. |
| 02:47.36 | Arrowmaster | actually it wasnt |
| 02:47.42 | Neffi | Augmented Virtual Reality |
| 02:47.51 | Neffi | They accidentally made it possible once, then disabled it again |
| 02:47.54 | Arrowmaster | they could figure out the 2d coords and exactly where the camera was pointed |
| 02:47.57 | Neffi | I think it was some camera API that was added |
| 02:48.03 | Neffi | Ah, I see |
| 02:48.19 | Arrowmaster | it was possible forever until they removed the api because of avr |
| 02:48.39 | mckenziemc | s/api/CVars/ |
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| 02:49.03 | Arrowmaster | a lot of us all found the api at one point and came to the conclusion we could create something like AVR before it existed but felt it was too much work to actually do |
| 02:49.14 | Xinhuan | its still possible to determine the pitch of the character, but not the camera |
| 02:49.16 | Xinhuan | btw |
| 02:49.43 | Xinhuan | but if you only use right-click to change your camera (and not left click), then the pitch of the char and the camera are identical |
| 02:50.11 | mckenziemc | unless the camera hits a wall |
| 02:50.32 | Xinhuan | ya heh |
| 02:50.49 | Arrowmaster | it was really only useful on the ground though where the character pitch is always the same |
| 02:51.11 | Arrowmaster | since you dont know the 3rd axis coord |
| 03:02.37 | Subspace | kd3, Is this up to wowpedia standards, formated correctly, etc.? http://www.wowpedia.org/API_GetInspectSpecialization |
| 03:03.03 | kd3 | yup. good job |
| 03:03.13 | Subspace | Cool, thanks :) |
| 03:04.41 | Kraps | whats Trail of Cinders |
| 03:04.45 | Kraps | in d3 |
| 03:04.57 | Kraps | oh a weapon |
| 03:05.04 | Kraps | rune |
| 03:05.49 | Neffi | Oh nice API |
| 03:06.02 | Neffi | No more messing with localized strings to figure that out |
| 03:06.23 | Subspace | Yeah :) |
| 03:06.32 | Subspace | I don't need it for my addon |
| 03:06.51 | Subspace | But what I do need is a number to tie to a spec, so instead of making it up, I figured I would copy blizz's numbers |
| 03:07.01 | Subspace | So I ran around stormwind finding those numbers :P |
| 03:07.45 | Neffi | lol |
| 03:07.59 | Neffi | Thanks for that. I'll probably be using it soon. |
| 03:08.05 | Subspace | np :) |
| 03:08.24 | Subspace | Figured it would be nice to share so others dont have to find it out on their own |
| 03:09.09 | Neffi | The addon economy would be absolutely different and more primitive if nobody else shared that opinion |
| 03:13.10 | pompy | oscarucb: ARL already handles the multiple ranks of those certain spells.. |
| 03:13.17 | pompy | I just have to add the missing ones. |
| 03:16.56 | Neffi | Being that Whitetooth seems to have quit, has snyone else thought of creating some similar to RatingBuster (or at least picking it up)? |
| 03:18.15 | pompy | libstatlogin-1.2 has been actively updated |
| 03:18.17 | pompy | c |
| 03:18.58 | Neffi | But a nice tooltip frontend on items is so useful to have |
| 03:19.15 | pompy | he updated rating buster as well |
| 03:19.31 | Neffi | And with a lot of the stat (and spell) changes, RatingBuster is defunct as-is (despite people trying to simply patch the errors) |
| 03:27.02 | Neffi | Is there any way for a frame to inherit from multiple frames in Lua? |
| 03:29.41 | Subspace | I believe so |
| 03:29.50 | Subspace | Thought I saw a code example somewhere that did that |
| 03:29.51 | Subspace | 1 sec |
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| 03:30.51 | Neffi | Oh shit |
| 03:31.02 | Neffi | inheritsFrom is comma-delimited. It's already built into CreateFrame. |
| 03:31.03 | mckenziemc | oh Neffi |
| 03:31.11 | Neffi | mckenziemc: Yes? |
| 03:31.17 | mckenziemc | hi |
| 03:31.25 | Neffi | oh |
| 03:50.13 | F16Gaming | hm, anyone good with the ToU here? |
| 03:50.18 | F16Gaming | "(1) Using or exploiting errors in design, features which have not been documented, and/or "program bugs" to gain access that is otherwise not available, or to obtain a competitive advantage over other players." |
| 03:50.55 | mckenziemc | what about it |
| 03:51.02 | F16Gaming | farming a (bugged) quest to gain guild experience, that doesn't give you "access" or a competitive advantage, does it? |
| 03:51.15 | mckenziemc | i wouldn't think so |
| 03:51.37 | F16Gaming | this guy on wowhead claims doing it is against the "Terms of Service" (assuming Terms of Use since WoW doesn't have a Terms of Service) |
| 03:51.47 | nebula169 | it is |
| 03:52.03 | F16Gaming | i read through the whole thing and can't really find anything that would apply |
| 03:52.11 | F16Gaming | except maybe (in the same section) |
| 03:52.12 | F16Gaming | "(5) Anything that Blizzard Entertainment considers contrary to the "essence" of World of Warcraft." |
| 03:52.17 | mckenziemc | granted Blizzard can interpret it how they want |
| 03:52.18 | durcyn | huh, some repeatable broken or? |
| 03:52.21 | F16Gaming | but that would cover _everything_ |
| 03:52.27 | nebula169 | using something that isn't functioning how it should to advance yourself |
| 03:52.33 | F16Gaming | durcyn: it was broken until a few hours ago |
| 03:52.36 | nebula169 | is exploiting |
| 03:53.00 | F16Gaming | nebula169: it was possible to continously complete it. how should the players know it's not intended? |
| 03:53.13 | kd3 | how many daily quests work like that? |
| 03:53.18 | F16Gaming | repeatable* |
| 03:53.33 | nebula169 | no quest works like that, other than the repeatable gathering-based ones |
| 03:54.11 | Neffi | F16Gaming: Wait, how exactly is it broken? |
| 03:54.15 | F16Gaming | anyway, the only section i could find that seem to apply was the (5) one. but according to that, blizzard can just ban whatever they want :P |
| 03:54.26 | F16Gaming | Neffi: you could just spam the quest, each time getting 60k guild exp |
| 03:54.37 | Neffi | Blizzard has banned people in the past for exploiting bugs |
| 03:54.38 | F16Gaming | giving you something like 120k exp per second |
| 03:54.39 | kd3 | that hardly sounds intended |
| 03:54.58 | F16Gaming | still, the repeatable functioned like a repeatable should |
| 03:55.04 | mckenziemc | then that would be significant enough |
| 03:55.09 | Neffi | A bug is obviously not in the essence of the game, and obviously gives you an undue advantage if exploitable |
| 03:55.33 | F16Gaming | having a lvl 25 guild doesn't sound like that big of an advantage to me, oh well |
| 03:55.36 | Esamynn | Cairenn: ping |
| 03:55.38 | Neffi | Ask on the official forums if it's indeed a bug. Hell, if a blue says Working As Intended (TM), screenshot the post and continue what you're doing. |
| 03:55.49 | mckenziemc | blizzard doesn't care about some other bugs in the game + unintended use of mechanics, though |
| 03:55.51 | F16Gaming | well blizzard disabled the quest, i think that means they consider it a bug :P |
| 03:56.00 | mckenziemc | heh |
| 03:56.01 | Neffi | Indeed |
| 03:56.03 | Esamynn | needs a horde side beta guild invite if anyone is available |
| 03:56.08 | F16Gaming | it is interesting though |
| 03:56.09 | kd3 | sec |
| 03:56.11 | Neffi | But exploiting bugs IS against the ToU. It's been banned for before. |
| 03:56.23 | Neffi | I remember an entire guild getting banned in vanilla for exploiting a bug in Naxx over and over |
| 03:56.26 | F16Gaming | harmless bugs like these, get fixed within hours of discovering them |
| 03:56.30 | mckenziemc | doing anything blizzard doesn't like is against the ToU |
| 03:56.41 | F16Gaming | game-breaking bugs (fires on warmaster ship) has been left unfixed for months |
| 03:57.05 | F16Gaming | it's sad :/ |
| 03:57.07 | nebula169 | eh? i've never had issues with warmaster |
| 03:57.13 | kd3 | Esamynn, send 'kdorc' a tell |
| 03:57.14 | Cairenn | Esamynn: pong |
| 03:57.14 | Adys | Neffi: context |
| 03:57.16 | F16Gaming | fires don't despawn when getting splashed with water |
| 03:57.20 | F16Gaming | at least on Stormreaver-EU |
| 03:57.24 | Neffi | The total game area is bigger than the real-world area of NYC. There's a huge wealth of shit in WoW. It's not trivial to maintain something like that |
| 03:57.40 | kd3 | as soon as the loading bar goes away, that is... |
| 03:57.42 | kd3 | taps his foot |
| 03:57.48 | Neffi | Adys: It was a long time ago. I forget the details, but it involved skipping trash and choosing what they wanted to fight. |
| 03:57.50 | mckenziemc | taps kd3's foot. |
| 03:57.51 | Esamynn | Cairenn: I need a horde side beta guild invite, but kd3 might be hooking me up |
| 03:57.54 | Adys | no |
| 03:58.03 | Adys | Neffi: naxx was competitive play, while minor bugs (even leveling bugs in offpeak periods) are harmless |
| 03:58.06 | kd3 | k, I'm in |
| 03:58.10 | F16Gaming | anyway, if blizzard were to ban for this exploit. they'd had to ban a very large amount of players :P |
| 03:58.17 | Cairenn | k |
| 03:58.21 | nebula169 | which they've done |
| 03:58.26 | Cairenn | just as well, since I have to patch anyway :p |
| 03:58.34 | Neffi | Adys: But leveling your guild to 25 without work wouldn't be considered harmless to Blizz. Else leveling guilds would be an even more trivial matter. |
| 03:58.39 | Neffi | They added guild level for a reason |
| 03:58.49 | Adys | Neffi: banning an entire guild is a big thing and is usually done when they exploit for world ranks |
| 03:58.52 | Esamynn | Cairenn, kd3: thanks |
| 03:58.56 | kd3 | np |
| 03:58.57 | Cairenn | np |
| 03:59.05 | F16Gaming | Neffi: but they also made every. single. quest reward 60k guild exp no matter what as of 5.0.4 |
| 03:59.06 | Neffi | Adys: They were ranked very well. That's why it happened, I bet. |
| 03:59.08 | mckenziemc | o |
| 03:59.10 | mckenziemc | oh* |
| 03:59.13 | Cairenn | Esamynn 2 |
| 03:59.14 | F16Gaming | so they obviously want guilds to reach 25 as fast as possible before MoP now? |
| 03:59.16 | Adys | Neffi: if a lot of guilds are exploiting an xp bug, whats likely to happen is a rollback of the xp gained |
| 03:59.17 | mckenziemc | i misread guild rep, not experience |
| 03:59.21 | Adys | and MAYBE a temp ban on some people |
| 03:59.21 | mckenziemc | in that case it's different |
| 03:59.38 | mckenziemc | misread it as guild rep* |
| 03:59.40 | Neffi | Adys: I agree, but banning a player for exploiting an obvious bug is not out of the question, which is my point. |
| 03:59.49 | Adys | "a player" |
| 03:59.51 | Neffi | A suspension is more likely, but don't risk it |
| 04:00.05 | nebula169 | a ban being a temp ban |
| 04:00.05 | Adys | yes, but "a player" is a far reach from "a guild" |
| 04:00.10 | Adys | even more so "many guilds" |
| 04:00.25 | F16Gaming | if blizzard don't want us to reach lvl 25 on guilds within minutes, why change every quest in the entire game to give 60k exp per completion? :/ |
| 04:00.25 | Neffi | I'm just saying, there's precedent for bans happening on exploited bugs. |
| 04:00.30 | Neffi | It's obviously against the ToU |
| 04:00.39 | Adys | the precedents are VERY different |
| 04:00.53 | Neffi | But that doesn't suggest you're allowed to exploit known bugs |
| 04:00.56 | Adys | its like you're saying "there's precedent for being thrown in jail for commiting a crime" |
| 04:01.10 | Neffi | I never said they will ban you. I said it's possible. |
| 04:01.15 | Neffi | Well within their reason and right |
| 04:01.44 | Adys | the more people do it, the closer the chances go to 0 |
| 04:01.52 | Neffi | F16Gaming: Wait, every quest? |
| 04:02.00 | F16Gaming | Neffi: as far as i know, yes |
| 04:02.11 | F16Gaming | according to my guildies, every quest they have tested rewards 60k |
| 04:02.13 | Adys | Neffi: fyi there was a bug in D3 a few weeks back which turned every wizard that did it (it was easy to repro) completely invulnerable |
| 04:02.14 | Neffi | F16Gaming: Thanks for making me aware of that. |
| 04:02.16 | F16Gaming | including starter-area quests |
| 04:02.35 | Adys | Neffi: it was exploited by tens of thousands of players over an entire day. nobody was banned, nothing was rolled back |
| 04:02.44 | nebula169 | pfft, d3 |
| 04:02.44 | Adys | and this is an absolute game breaker |
| 04:02.53 | Neffi | Adys: I'm not arguing with you. I'm telling him not to knowingly exploit a bug, because it is considered a violation to Blizzard. |
| 04:03.13 | Adys | well yeah whoever exploits a bug and gets banned is a fucking idiot if they dont see it coming |
| 04:03.15 | Neffi | Consequences aside, it's still a fisk of some level |
| 04:03.24 | Neffi | s/fisk/risk/ |
| 04:03.35 | mckenziemc | ~fisk |
| 04:03.35 | purl | FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFIIIIISSSSKKK... |
| 04:03.38 | Adys | i dont think we're talking about the same thing |
| 04:03.43 | Torhal | So…how does one perform Runeforging in 5.0.4? The button no loger exists in the General tab of the spellbook. |
| 04:04.01 | Neffi | Torhal: Check your spec tab |
| 04:04.05 | Adys | Neffi: Im just saying that if theres a lot of people exploiting it, the risks are nil |
| 04:04.07 | Neffi | Spec tab = all class spells now |
| 04:04.25 | Neffi | Well if we wanna get technical, even infinitely small is not nil |
| 04:04.40 | Adys | banning is not a probability game |
| 04:04.50 | Neffi | Einstein thought that about gravity torsion and said black holes couldn't exist. How wrong he was. |
| 04:05.02 | F16Gaming | they could easily start banning people if they want to |
| 04:05.13 | F16Gaming | i think having 1 billion guild activity this week is not legit :3 |
| 04:05.18 | pnorman | Which quest is bugged? |
| 04:05.18 | Adys | just having an account comes with the chance of getting banned. through hacking, user error or simple mistakes on blizzard's side |
| 04:05.28 | F16Gaming | pnorman: http://www.wowhead.com/quest=8228 |
| 04:05.28 | Torhal | Ok, spec tab |
| 04:05.32 | F16Gaming | it was bugged, they fixed it |
| 04:05.33 | Torhal | It's there |
| 04:05.37 | Adys | but "banning" is not probability nor semantics |
| 04:05.54 | Neffi | Torhal: Yeah, they made a nice post about the different ways to logically organize the spellbook, then picked the last logical one |
| 04:05.58 | Adys | its a decision thats taken by blizzard |
| 04:06.10 | mckenziemc | which may or may not happen |
| 04:06.16 | Semlar | the spellbook is organized? |
| 04:06.23 | Neffi | Semlar: lol |
| 04:06.24 | kd3 | news to me |
| 04:06.24 | mckenziemc | for reasons that are hard to predict |
| 04:06.28 | Semlar | i just assumed it was completely random |
| 04:06.39 | Neffi | Actually it has some order. Spells, then passives. |
| 04:06.40 | Adys | mckenziemc: no, its easy to predict, thats what im saying |
| 04:06.42 | Neffi | Not much, but some |
| 04:06.49 | mckenziemc | no, it isn't |
| 04:07.01 | Adys | ok well |
| 04:07.14 | Semlar | it's not what i would consider logical |
| 04:07.20 | Neffi | Adys: Well it's not like Blizzard is one entity that does the banning. It's the job of the GM team, which is unpredictable, because all are different. |
| 04:07.21 | Adys | you stand there and predict that blizzard is going to banwave 10 thousand legit players who were abusing an easily reproduced game bug |
| 04:07.27 | Semlar | well, intuitive might be a better word |
| 04:07.31 | Adys | i'll stand there and have a wank at my favourite porn |
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| 04:08.25 | Neffi | Some players get temp banned for cursing in trade. I've been reported and not banned. Ultimately, it's up to the GM overseeing your ban. |
| 04:08.37 | F16Gaming | Neffi: i got a 3 hour suspension for that once :D |
| 04:08.48 | Adys | a game bug abused by several players is not overseen by a simple gm |
| 04:08.56 | F16Gaming | at least the GM was polite when banning me |
| 04:09.04 | Semlar | a bunch of people got banned for killing jaina repeatedly because she wasn't supposed to instantly respawn |
| 04:09.06 | Neffi | F16Gaming: I got a 3-day ban for anal [Ravage] =( |
| 04:09.08 | Adys | game bugs such as xp bugs are not overseen by gms in general since they're not actually ever reported |
| 04:09.27 | F16Gaming | Neffi: "Please log out of the game and take a day off to think about your actions." |
| 04:09.32 | mckenziemc | Adys: in your example, they don't have to ban everyone, or no one |
| 04:09.36 | Neffi | But you're trying to state that it's ultimately impssible. Which it's not. |
| 04:09.47 | kd3 | wait, why are we rules-lawyering again? |
| 04:09.49 | Adys | mckenziemc: yes, they do, otherwise they risk players complaining about unfair bans |
| 04:10.00 | mckenziemc | which people already do |
| 04:10.00 | kd3 | this just results in bitchiness and nothing ever gets done |
| 04:10.10 | Neffi | F16Gaming: lol. I've had even more curtious GMs trying to be overly nice in banning me. I think they do it to enrage you. Kind of like the asshole that smiles before throwing a punch. |
| 04:10.51 | mckenziemc | not everyone will use an exploit to the same degree, thus there are "worse offenders" that could be banned without banning everyone |
| 04:10.54 | F16Gaming | Neffi: i had a guildie who got a week long ban for something, don't remember what, but it was also something minor |
| 04:11.00 | Neffi | Back to the topic of UI dev, does the Minimap still randomly bug out if you create a 2nd one via CreateFrame('Minimap')? |
| 04:11.07 | Semlar | yep |
| 04:11.14 | Semlar | for the love of god don't make two minimaps |
| 04:11.28 | Esamynn | ^ |
| 04:11.34 | Neffi | I'm not, but it's ultimately up to the user. I'm making a library that provides a clean frontend to the widget API. |
| 04:11.44 | Adys | there are valid reasons to create two minimaps |
| 04:11.54 | Neffi | I include minimap, because it can also accept an existing frame for easy modifcation and script-attaching |
| 04:11.57 | Esamynn | Neffi: O_o |
| 04:11.59 | kd3 | 'because I can' more or less sums those reasons up |
| 04:12.03 | Semlar | if they are exactly the same size and scale then they will both display the same blips without flipping out |
| 04:12.16 | Semlar | but only one of them will work on mouseover |
| 04:12.23 | Semlar | the other one will have blank tooltips |
| 04:12.25 | Adys | kd3: i wanted to create a minimap autogenerator *ingame* a while back |
| 04:12.33 | Neffi | Esamynn: What? |
| 04:12.35 | kd3 | o_O |
| 04:12.36 | Adys | as a test suite for my minimap generator outside the game |
| 04:13.12 | Esamynn | Neffi: your premise seems... I don't know, suspect, what's so "unclean" about the widget API? |
| 04:13.25 | Adys | uirgh are you really asking that |
| 04:13.34 | Semlar | if the minimaps are at all sized differently then their blips will just jump around |
| 04:13.35 | Esamynn | yes, yes I am |
| 04:14.00 | Neffi | Esamynn: Nothing wrong with it, just context. I write my own UI, and I feel way more comfortable configuring it in Lua. I don't write in-game configs. So I have a library to define frame appearance, structure and behavior (scripts) via tables. |
| 04:14.42 | Neffi | Makes modifying or totally changing my UI way more painless than any previous approach I've ever used |
| 04:15.08 | Esamynn | "more painless" |
| 04:15.14 | Esamynn | ouch |
| 04:15.28 | Neffi | Well not painless at all to me. But that's relative. |
| 04:15.42 | Neffi | Somebody who doesn't know Lua might not even try. But then again, that's why other addons exist. |
| 04:15.47 | Esamynn | thinks Neffi missed the point |
| 04:15.56 | Neffi | thinks maybe he did. |
| 04:16.11 | Esamynn | "more painless" you mean to say, "less painful" :P |
| 04:16.15 | mckenziemc | thinks an ambulance just drove by. |
| 04:16.24 | Esamynn | your grammar caused me physical pain |
| 04:16.25 | Semlar | something can be more painless |
| 04:17.02 | Neffi | I obey rules when I like them. Hence, I treat grammar like a bastard dwarf. |
| 04:17.15 | Esamynn | rofl |
| 04:17.31 | Neffi | At least I don't speak in txt or 1337, or generally terrible like many other people |
| 04:17.38 | F16Gaming | for someone who treats it like a bastard dwarf, you speak 100x better than a certain DK in our guild... |
| 04:18.17 | Neffi | F16Gaming: Infrastructure matters. Arbitrary rules do not. Grammar has its place, it's just overextended in normal conversation. I am not writing a novel, I am communicating. |
| 04:18.30 | Neffi | The infrastructure still matters. I don't mean to come off as a total dolt. |
| 04:18.34 | F16Gaming | I was writing a novel in guild chat once :3 |
| 04:19.56 | Neffi | Anyway, what music do you all listen to while coding? |
| 04:20.02 | Neffi | needs a change. |
| 04:20.03 | Semlar | manu dibango |
| 04:20.07 | F16Gaming | mostly none |
| 04:20.16 | Neffi | A genre would be more helpful to me |
| 04:20.31 | mckenziemc | pink noise |
| 04:20.48 | Neffi | cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp ? |
| 04:20.51 | Neffi | =) |
| 04:21.07 | Semlar | what kind of music do you like |
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| 04:21.35 | Neffi | Blues rock, southern rock a la King of Leon / Rolling Stones, classic rock, alternative rap, some newer rock |
| 04:21.54 | Neffi | Very little electronic. Basically, just BT's album This Binary Universe |
| 04:22.04 | Neffi | (Which is a masterpiece.) |
| 04:23.06 | mckenziemc | i haven't listened to music much at all lately. unfortunately that's let a short snippet of Tom Petty get stuck in my head for two days >.> |
| 04:23.21 | Semlar | you might like blackalicious |
| 04:23.38 | Semlar | it probably falls under alternative rap |
| 04:23.49 | Neffi | That sounds like something I'd see if I went to any street corner in Mariner's Harbor |
| 04:23.52 | Neffi | (the ghetto) |
| 04:23.53 | pompy | mckenziemc has pr0n goin on his second monitor with his editor open on the other monitor! |
| 04:24.25 | Neffi | Oh, some indie rock too. The alternatie rap style I like could probably be considered indie rap. |
| 04:24.39 | Neffi | But not of the ultra-hipster Bright Eyes shit. More like Radiohead and Modest Mouse. |
| 04:24.45 | Neffi | And Aesop Rock on the rap part |
| 04:25.15 | Neffi | Semlar: Give me a good song by them |
| 04:25.30 | Semlar | something from the craft |
| 04:25.33 | Semlar | hang on |
| 04:25.56 | durcyn | late 90s emo is ultra-hipster now? |
| 04:26.07 | Neffi | It always was |
| 04:26.23 | Neffi | Also, Bright Eyes is late-'90s? Heh |
| 04:26.49 | Semlar | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4xxX0_0lQc |
| 04:27.25 | Semlar | this is pretty low quality though |
| 04:27.37 | Neffi | lolol "oral pleasure" |
| 04:29.27 | Neffi | Don't much like it, or what else I found =| |
| 04:29.38 | Semlar | that's okay |
| 04:32.36 | Semlar | i don't know much rock |
| 04:32.57 | Semlar | i used to listen to classic rock but i'm not really a fan any more |
| 04:33.11 | mckenziemc | pompy: maybe if i had a second monitor :( |
| 04:33.38 | Semlar | i think cage the elephant is rock |
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| 04:34.03 | Semlar | one of their songs was in borderlands |
| 04:37.07 | pompy | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zJE4mb2Yhw ;) |
| 04:37.51 | pompy | actually http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVXFm0vAtwo |
| 04:40.44 | Semlar | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24rj5pNZsEo this is what i'm listening to |
| 04:42.29 | Neffi | I like Ain't Not Rest... |
| 04:42.31 | Neffi | Good song |
| 04:46.05 | *** part/#wowuidev alestane (~Nevin@c-76-119-157-159.hsd1.nh.comcast.net) |
| 04:47.30 | Arrowmaster | the song was more than just in borderlands, it was practically the theme song |
| 04:49.33 | Arrowmaster | which reminds me i still havent preordered borderlands2, but thats because the ultimate loot box edition is completely sold out |
| 04:50.55 | Thunder_Child | awww, poor Arrowmaster, now he will actually keep some of his money |
| 04:52.03 | Neffi | You can send it to me, and I'll happily act out the gameplay for you through ASCII art in a private IRC |
| 04:52.28 | Thunder_Child | that is wrong on so many levels |
| 04:54.25 | Arrowmaster | i was going to settle for the deluxe edition but then gamestop closed preorders for that |
| 04:58.41 | kd3 | good to know that headquarters is wasting money sending dogs via first class: http://i.imgur.com/IgaYZ.jpg |
| 05:04.39 | pompy | Arrowmaster: lol at the 3rd paarty prices >< http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B00841ZJYY/ref=dp_olp_new?ie=UTF8&condition=new |
| 05:05.52 | mckenziemc | ships kd3 in a cargo crate. |
| 05:05.54 | pompy | http://www.ebay.com/ctg/Borderlands-2-Ultimate-Loot-Chest-Limited-Edition-Xbox-360-2012-/115868100?rt=nc&LH_BIN=1&_dmpt=Video_Games_Games&_fln=1&_pcategid=139973&_pcatid=2&_pdpal=1&_sticky=1&_trksid=p5360.c0.m301 :x |
| 05:06.33 | Arrowmaster | kd3: that looks like a diamond studded collar, probably real diamonds too |
| 05:06.44 | *** join/#wowuidev breser (~breser@fornix.brain.org) |
| 05:07.28 | Adys | fucking piece of fail |
| 05:07.33 | Adys | blizzard didnt reset the darkmoon quests |
| 05:08.06 | pompy | hm? |
| 05:08.23 | Adys | none of the darkmoon monthlies have been reset |
| 05:08.38 | pompy | Arrowmaster: http://www.amazon.com/Borderlands-Deluxe-Vault-Hunters-Xbox-360/dp/B00841ZJWG the preorders for the deluxe seem to be avail here |
| 05:08.41 | pompy | Adys: thats a first |
| 05:09.42 | Adys | you're god damn right |
| 05:10.23 | pompy | it doesnt start for another hour for me, so blehh. |
| 05:10.37 | Semlar | GetCenter is returning unexpected values when part of my frame is off the screen |
| 05:15.48 | Neffi | Adys: Hit up the bug report forum soon, else a lot of people might miss out on it |
| 05:16.01 | Adys | cba |
| 05:16.06 | Neffi | Semlar: How unexpected? Totally fucked? |
| 05:16.06 | Adys | also i dont have an us acc |
| 05:16.24 | Neffi | EU forums has report section |
| 05:16.35 | Semlar | i think i need to just make a stripped down version of this to see if something else is causing this |
| 05:17.19 | Neffi | doesn't know what cba means. |
| 05:18.59 | Semlar | could be anything |
| 05:19.40 | Arrowmaster | cant be asked |
| 05:23.15 | Adys | cant be arsed |
| 05:23.36 | Primer | sigh, glyphing still taints? WTF |
| 05:23.41 | Primer | they really need to fix that |
| 05:25.36 | Neffi | Primer: What is the origin of glyph tainting? Wasin't it from UIDropDownMenu or no? |
| 05:26.39 | Neffi | Off topic, but it totally enrages me when musicians sample two beats onto one. |
| 05:26.58 | Neffi | No, you cannot be doing a roll on the hi-hat and also be hitting other symbols AND rolling the snare at once |
| 05:27.27 | Primer | Neffi: Basically put, if you have addons and try to glyph, a random addon will taint |
| 05:27.39 | Primer | and it gives you an option to either disable or ignore |
| 05:27.51 | Neffi | Well there's a reason. Maybe we should be telling addon authors not to touch something. |
| 05:27.58 | Primer | when you disable, it disables the addon and /reload |
| 05:28.04 | Primer | uhhh |
| 05:28.09 | Neffi | Since I've even seen Mapster taint things, I'm guessing it's the dropdown menu |
| 05:28.10 | Primer | this is a well known issue with the game |
| 05:28.16 | Neffi | Which seriously needs to be redone on Blizz's part |
| 05:28.32 | Primer | right now I've cycled through 4 addons to get a glyph done |
| 05:28.38 | Primer | and 4 reloaduis |
| 05:28.56 | Neffi | Primer: Taint only originates if the secure execution path hits a value which an addon set/changed. Which means either an addon is doing a no-no, or the glyph code is using values it shouldn't be. |
| 05:29.27 | Primer | I'm guessing the latter |
| 05:29.39 | Neffi | Being that addons like Mapster and RatingBuster taint the glyph UI, I'm inclined to think it's Blizz's fault. But ultimately it's still the addon doing the taint. |
| 05:29.40 | Primer | I'm surprised you haven't heard of this |
| 05:29.50 | Neffi | I have. I just never looked up *what* was tainting it. |
| 05:29.54 | Primer | right |
| 05:30.04 | Primer | well, I have a list of about 8 addons that can trigger it |
| 05:30.11 | End_ | leaked globals were the most common recent causes |
| 05:30.18 | Neffi | It could very well be *our* fault. As in, anyone doing a hook they shouldn't be but need to to implement certain functionality. |
| 05:30.27 | Primer | Right now it's Enchantrix |
| 05:30.33 | End_ | but there's multiple pathways for taint to the glyph ui |
| 05:30.45 | Primer | then TinyTipSomething |
| 05:30.52 | mckenziemc | s/multiple/myriad/ |
| 05:31.07 | Neffi | Maybe when I get time to look through the several thousand lines the Glyph UI is, maybe I'll submit a patch on the forums for Blizz to consider implementing |
| 05:31.29 | Primer | TinyTipPositioning |
| 05:31.38 | Neffi | is->probably is |
| 05:31.46 | Primer | TinyTip |
| 05:32.02 | Primer | I'm actually disabling them now |
| 05:32.07 | Neffi | also thinks its scary that many simple things in the UI have more SLOC than a *nix window manager. |
| 05:32.08 | End_ | I think they fixed some of it in the beta already |
| 05:32.10 | Primer | GoGoMount |
| 05:32.23 | Neffi | s/UI/default UI/ |
| 05:32.32 | End_ | specifically: |
| 05:32.33 | End_ | -local specialization = GetSpecialization(_, _, PlayerTalentFrame.talentGroup); |
| 05:32.36 | End_ | +local specialization = GetSpecialization(false, false, PlayerTalentFrame.talentGroup); |
| 05:33.13 | Neffi | Well that's both our faults. You should never be globalizing _. But an accident is an accident, and I'd put more blame on Blizz for that one. |
| 05:33.22 | starlon | wipple |
| 05:33.27 | End_ | agrees. |
| 05:33.45 | Neffi | ~dict wipple |
| 05:34.07 | Neffi | "Whipple is a lunar impact crater". Neffi is confused. |
| 05:34.39 | Semlar | if you do something like "for _, x", that's a local value right |
| 05:34.48 | Semlar | it doesn't try and use a global |
| 05:35.59 | Neffi | Semlar: Yes |
| 05:36.03 | Neffi | As is, yes it's local |
| 05:36.25 | Neffi | I can't seem to find it. Where is SetPortraitTexture defined in FrameXML? |
| 05:36.51 | Semlar | it's not an api function? |
| 05:36.52 | Neffi | Oh, it's not FrameXML. Why did I think it was? |
| 05:37.25 | Neffi | Seems wierd to give us a special-case mask feature, not just just texture:SetMask(...) |
| 05:37.32 | Esamynn | Neffi: do you really want an answer to that question? :P |
| 05:37.37 | Semlar | i wish we could mask textures |
| 05:37.56 | Semlar | we can mask the minimap -.- |
| 05:37.58 | Esamynn | ummm, we can, last I checked |
| 05:38.04 | Semlar | how? |
| 05:38.07 | Esamynn | or is it just the minimap? |
| 05:38.08 | Neffi | Esamynn: potential schizophrenia? |
| 05:38.57 | Semlar | although hypothetically if you could change the texture setportraittexture uses to mask with maybe you could |
| 05:39.07 | Neffi | Esamynn: Know of a way? The only two ways I see is Minimap masking (which just rips out the alpha value), and the special-case for unit portraits I already mentioned |
| 05:39.35 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure you could override the texture, i don't know what it is though |
| 05:39.48 | Neffi | Oh shit |
| 05:39.49 | Neffi | http://www.wowpedia.org/API_SetPortraitToTexture |
| 05:39.56 | Neffi | Only works on blp files |
| 05:39.58 | Esamynn | nope, you're right, I was just imagining things |
| 05:40.17 | Neffi | Esamynn: See what I just linked =) |
| 05:40.26 | pompy | we just used that in ARL |
| 05:40.28 | pompy | (9/2/2012 1:29:30 AM) Repo: arl: Torhal master * 2.4-5-gec28c56 / (4 files in 2 directories): [+2 commits] |
| 05:40.29 | pompy | (9/2/2012 1:29:30 AM) Repo: ec28c56: Removed the profession textures we were shipping with in favor of SetPortraitToTexture() and GetTradeSkillTexture() |
| 05:40.57 | Semlar | that's SetPortraitToTexture |
| 05:42.04 | Neffi | It works for any texture object and any .blp texture file (as long as you don't include '.blp') |
| 05:42.29 | Semlar | i thought SetPortraitTexture was the function to mask the image |
| 05:42.46 | Torhal | Nope |
| 05:43.01 | Torhal | SetPortraitToTexture makes a circular mask. |
| 05:43.29 | Semlar | oh i guess i got confused when he mentioned it earlier |
| 05:43.53 | Torhal | MakePortraitFromTExture would be a more intuitive name |
| 05:44.49 | Semlar | i think SetPortraitTexture actually calls SetPortraitToTexture |
| 05:44.53 | Neffi | If every (or hell, any) API followed intuitive conventions thoroughly, programmers might be too sane to function so well |
| 05:47.02 | Semlar | so you can use this to mask any texture? |
| 05:47.38 | Semlar | if i made a blp file and dropped it into my addon could i use it |
| 05:48.12 | Esamynn | Neffi: well, then'd you'd hate my APIs :P |
| 05:48.27 | Esamynn | s/then'd/then/ |
| 05:48.39 | Neffi | Sanity is a nice break from my norm, Esa |
| 05:48.43 | Neffi | I'm sure I'd love them endlessly |
| 05:48.49 | Esamynn | haha |
| 05:49.18 | Neffi | But who's to say? I like to think my coding is sane, but a sane man might have me commited |
| 05:50.46 | Semlar | revision control |
| 05:51.14 | Neffi | Speaking of, everyone seems to love GIT. Am I the only one who thinks it's too complex a solution to a simple problem? |
| 05:51.19 | Neffi | Or do I just not understand Git enough? |
| 05:52.54 | Torhal | Neffi: You don't understand. Also, there's Mercurial which has most of the features but which lacks an extremely important one (for me) - the staging area. |
| 05:53.17 | Neffi | needs more experience on teams. |
| 05:53.21 | Adys | Neffi: have you used version control before? |
| 05:53.28 | Neffi | SVN |
| 05:53.34 | Neffi | Personally only |
| 05:53.36 | Adys | then you dont understand :p |
| 05:53.42 | Adys | Neffi: git is a lot simpler than svn |
| 05:53.54 | Adys | it just comes with a shitload of features svn doesnt have |
| 05:54.04 | Semlar | sounds simple |
| 05:54.05 | End_ | subversion is overengineered |
| 05:54.06 | Jamash | s/simpler/stupider/ |
| 05:54.07 | Adys | but to do exactly what you do with svn, its a lot simpler in git |
| 05:54.17 | Jamash | s/doesn't have/doesn't need/ |
| 05:54.22 | Adys | Jamash: fuck off, you're a bad troll |
| 05:54.31 | Jamash | s/bad troll/only sane man in an insane world/ |
| 05:54.32 | Torhal | Adys: He's been doing that a LOT lately :/ |
| 05:54.52 | Jamash | what, trolling or telling uncomfortable truths about git? |
| 05:55.07 | Jamash | because those aren't the same thing |
| 05:55.10 | Adys | Torhal: i dont put him in ignore by principle but i dont get whats so boneringly awesome about showing everyone how idiotic you are |
| 05:55.20 | Torhal | Interjecting yourself into conversations with extremely loud opinions. |
| 05:55.23 | Jamash | I learned it from you, dad! |
| 05:55.26 | Jamash | I learned it from you! |
| 05:55.32 | Jamash | this is the internet dude |
| 05:55.43 | Jamash | enjoy the buffet |
| 05:55.55 | Adys | Jamash: you wanna tell everyone how subversion is better than git without backing up any argument, good for you, nobody will take you seriously on anything |
| 05:56.04 | Neffi | Jamash: The internet is not synonymous with 4chan. |
| 05:56.11 | Jamash | I didn't say subversion is better than git |
| 05:56.18 | Jamash | I said git is worse than subversion |
| 05:56.23 | Jamash | that's an important distinction |
| 05:56.32 | Semlar | actually that's saying the same thing |
| 05:56.34 | Adys | homo sapiens everybody |
| 05:56.40 | Adys | millions of years of evolution to come to this |
| 05:56.47 | Jamash | if worse/better is a linear scale, yeah |
| 05:56.48 | Jamash | it isn't |
| 05:57.25 | Neffi | Jamash: Thanks for trying to give input, but I wasn't looking for binary opinion. If you have any good reasons, spit them out. |
| 05:57.26 | Adys | Jamash: you've been utterly incapable of actually backing any of this up every time you were asked |
| 05:57.27 | Semlar | maybe if you're just making up your own definitions of those words |
| 05:57.31 | Neffi | Or even link to a good comparison I could read |
| 05:57.43 | Adys | Neffi: to give o |
| 05:57.50 | Adys | Neffi: to give you real reasons, because Jamash sure as hell wont |
| 05:58.12 | Jamash | Neffi: I was learning at the feet of the great masters of trolling 10 years before 4chan even existed |
| 05:58.19 | Neffi | will delve into Git vs SVN another time and place. Fuck this. |
| 05:58.33 | Neffi | Something Awful isn't any better |
| 05:58.34 | Adys | Neffi: git is decentralized, it's its main advantage against subversion. meaning you have your own repository, it's not dependent of a remote repo |
| 05:58.50 | Torhal | You can create brand new remotes anywhere/time you see fit. |
| 05:58.57 | Jamash | I've spent maybe an hour tops on SA in my entire life |
| 05:59.11 | Adys | Neffi: meaning you can work and commit locally (without an internet connection), you can merge against random repositories someone else owns, and so on |
| 05:59.23 | Adys | Neffi: it makes git repos a lot more interoperable |
| 05:59.25 | Neffi | The main issue that stopped me from pursuing Git was that its commands seemed entirely cryptic sometimes. Maybe I'll come to love it when I need it. |
| 05:59.25 | Torhal | Your commits can also be as atomic as you'd like. |
| 05:59.36 | Neffi | And maybe I'll switch Google Code over to Git some day to force myself to learn it |
| 05:59.43 | Neffi | People must love it for a reason |
| 05:59.48 | Adys | google code is pretty awful |
| 05:59.53 | Torhal | And with the staging area, if you forget to commit, you can cherry-pick lines/hunks and make a sane commit from them. |
| 06:00.00 | Jamash | the problem isn't just that the commands are cryptic, it's that the design of the entire system is inside out |
| 06:00.03 | Adys | and you dont hear me badmouthing google products often |
| 06:00.10 | Arrowmaster | ahh they changed http://whygitisbetterthanx.com |
| 06:00.12 | Jamash | it's suited perfectly for linus torvalds' needs and nobody else's |
| 06:00.31 | Adys | Jamash: obviously everyone who backs up git is linux torvalds |
| 06:00.37 | Neffi | Adys: I needed something so simple as to prevent me from being overly verbose and spending too much time managing it. It's just a staging area for my alpha work before I commit production-quality addons to Curse/WoWI |
| 06:00.39 | Adys | that makes you steve ballmer you know, good going |
| 06:00.42 | Jamash | torvalds wanted ultra fast commits and star merging and didn't care about usability |
| 06:01.01 | Jamash | a tradition that continues to this day |
| 06:01.04 | Adys | Neffi: if you want svn-style commits, just use -a |
| 06:01.12 | Torhal | There are GUIs which overcome the CLI learning curve, you know. |
| 06:01.20 | Adys | Neffi: -a means "put every diff in staging, then commit" |
| 06:01.37 | Jamash | what can I do in git that I can't do in subversion that I actually need as the author of an addon? |
| 06:01.47 | Adys | Neffi: so git commit -am "Foo" is the same as git add <files changed> && git commit -m "Foo" |
| 06:01.47 | Torhal | There's your context. |
| 06:02.01 | Adys | Jamash: work on a fucking train |
| 06:02.10 | Adys | gl doing that with subversion |
| 06:02.24 | Jamash | git is to version control what the gimp is to image editing |
| 06:02.24 | End_ | well, there was svk |
| 06:02.29 | End_ | but that was a long time ago |
| 06:02.31 | Arrowmaster | i never really understood why everybody needs a gui for vcs stuff, back when we all used svn i always used the command line only version |
| 06:02.39 | Jamash | you *can* do anything, you can even script it to your heart's content |
| 06:02.41 | Neffi | Jamash: Comparing Linus to anything GNU is just mean. |
| 06:02.45 | End_ | I hate using the command line on windows |
| 06:02.46 | Neffi | Linus is way more talented than that |
| 06:03.06 | End_ | on Linux oth I use the command line a lot, so there's that |
| 06:03.12 | Adys | Jamash: just because a feature is available doesn't make it required to learn |
| 06:03.21 | Jamash | but good luck trying to figure out how to do anything without spending four hours looking at poorly written code monkey "documentation" |
| 06:03.26 | Arrowmaster | i couldnt stand things on windows that wanted to hook into explorer |
| 06:03.39 | Jamash | like tortoise(svn|git)? |
| 06:03.41 | Adys | Jamash: git has thousands of fucking commands but you'll only use clone, commit, add, diff, push, pull |
| 06:03.48 | Jamash | I won't actually use ay of them |
| 06:03.49 | Adys | and if you're into branches you'll also use branch and merge |
| 06:03.51 | Jamash | *any |
| 06:03.56 | Neffi | TSVN is nice for personal projects though |
| 06:03.58 | Adys | in svn you'd use the same fucking set |
| 06:04.00 | Neffi | Makes it simple |
| 06:04.22 | Adys | checkout (clone), commit, add, diff, update (pull) |
| 06:04.26 | Adys | you CANT branch |
| 06:04.29 | Adys | and you CANT prevent a push |
| 06:04.42 | Neffi | Wait, Git can't branch? |
| 06:04.43 | Adys | and dont tell me about svn branches |
| 06:04.48 | Adys | no, im talking about svn |
| 06:04.52 | Jamash | I'm pretty sure you're making stuff up now |
| 06:04.55 | Adys | git can branch very well |
| 06:05.10 | Jamash | so whatever |
| 06:05.14 | End_ | subversion can branch just fine, it's merging that is terrible terrible terrible terrible |
| 06:05.26 | Adys | yeah well wtf is the point then? |
| 06:05.39 | Torhal | End_: You mean goat-and-child-sacrificing-required? |
| 06:05.40 | Jamash | I said, I'm not saying subversion is great, just that git is terrible |
| 06:05.50 | End_ | release branches mostly I guess |
| 06:05.56 | Adys | Jamash: and you still have not given any reason |
| 06:06.04 | Jamash | you can't use git on a train, fyi |
| 06:06.15 | Jamash | initial checkout over flaky wireless, go |
| 06:06.18 | Jamash | oh wait that's impossible |
| 06:06.27 | Jamash | literally impossible |
| 06:06.36 | Adys | LITERALLY LITERALLY AMIRITE |
| 06:06.40 | Jamash | ie the software does not support this use case in any way, shape or form |
| 06:06.41 | Adys | no, it's not. |
| 06:06.46 | Jamash | with git? |
| 06:06.52 | Jamash | what's the resume command in git? |
| 06:07.02 | Jamash | to resume a partial initial checkout? |
| 06:07.08 | Jamash | (there isn't one) |
| 06:07.10 | Adys | I'm sorry... |
| 06:07.14 | Adys | what's the resume command in svn? |
| 06:07.28 | Adys | i mean is this the basis of your entire fucking argument, a feature svn doesn't support any more than git does? |
| 06:07.30 | End_ | I don't think your initial checkout failing is too much of a problem |
| 06:07.34 | Jamash | YES IT IS |
| 06:07.42 | Torhal | Good fucking lord, join #my-vcs-is-better-than-your-vcs FFS |
| 06:07.44 | Jamash | because your initial checkout is THE ENTIRE REPOSITORY |
| 06:07.54 | Adys | End_: it's not, but every single command in svn requires internet access |
| 06:08.02 | End_ | not every! |
| 06:08.02 | Adys | End_: and every single of these commands can fail |
| 06:08.10 | Adys | and for that matter, leave your repo in a locked state |
| 06:08.20 | Adys | (it usually doesnt, tbf) |
| 06:08.22 | Jamash | and a sensible client will retry and resume, big deal |
| 06:08.22 | End_ | Adys, you're almost as bad as Jamash |
| 06:08.38 | Adys | End_: i have first hand experience with this |
| 06:09.02 | Jamash | I have also had first hand experience with trying to check out a linux kernel over flaky wifi with git |
| 06:09.07 | Jamash | and it failing |
| 06:09.10 | Jamash | over, and over, and over |
| 06:09.13 | Adys | oh boo fucking hoo |
| 06:09.16 | Jamash | this is why I hate git |
| 06:09.18 | kd3 | and why are you trying to do something over flaky wifi? |
| 06:09.21 | Jamash | because it _does_not_work_ |
| 06:09.36 | Jamash | because I had wifi, and it was flaky |
| 06:09.54 | Adys | Jamash: you claim git's entire design is flawed and inside out and that it's worse than subversion in every way |
| 06:09.56 | kd3 | I'd think that's a bigger problem than stuff trying to use the flaky wifi flaking out |
| 06:09.58 | Adys | because you have a shitass connection |
| 06:10.01 | Jamash | if you must know, I was trying to check out a kernel build with better wifi drivers |
| 06:10.09 | Jamash | Adys: making stuff up again |
| 06:10.10 | Adys | and try to checkout a 15 year old repository |
| 06:10.20 | Adys | Jamash: I'm not making shit up, you said this not 5 minutes ago |
| 06:10.24 | Jamash | no I didn't |
| 06:10.32 | Adys | <Jamash> the problem isn't just that the commands are cryptic, it's that the design of the entire system is inside out |
| 06:10.32 | Jamash | I said it was worse, not worse in every way |
| 06:10.47 | Adys | "no resume command" = "THE DESIGN IS INSIDE OUT" |
| 06:10.54 | Jamash | the UI is terrible and the protocol is idiotic, the innards are quite nice |
| 06:11.08 | Jamash | it's just too bad that the outards are a pile of junk |
| 06:11.21 | *** join/#wowuidev kd3 (~Kaydeethr@wowwiki/Kaydeethree) |
| 06:11.28 | Jamash | it'd make a great library for someone to use to build a distributed version control system with |
| 06:11.35 | Adys | and it does |
| 06:11.40 | Jamash | just not git |
| 06:11.46 | Adys | libgit2 has smaller scale implementations |
| 06:12.29 | Adys | as for the protocol, no, it's not "idiotic". nor should you care about it if it was; the *only* way you're affected by that is the clone resuming |
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| 06:13.09 | Jamash | it's true, the only thing I care about is whether it works, which it does not |
| 06:13.22 | Adys | as for the front end, taste; tens of thousands of devs get on with it just fine. the commonly used commands are very similar to every other cvs, only one that differs is add |
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| 06:13.26 | Torhal | …I've yet to have an issue that I didn't cause myself. |
| 06:13.31 | Jamash | me too |
| 06:13.36 | Jamash | the cause was using git |
| 06:13.42 | Torhal | >.< |
| 06:13.51 | End_ | I broken quite a few git repos |
| 06:14.01 | Torhal | Ok, I'm going somewhere where there isn't a rampant zealot war ensuing. |
| 06:14.14 | Adys | Torhal: just put Jamash on ignore |
| 06:14.17 | Adys | he does this regularly |
| 06:14.30 | Jamash | I'll stop doing it when git stops being bad |
| 06:14.58 | Adys | Torhal: i dont actually care who uses what, I know plenty of people who get on with svn with good reasons, but i do try to keep things in the realm of facts |
| 06:15.32 | End_ | I just hate everything |
| 06:16.05 | Semlar | people care about shit i say fuck everything |
| 06:17.11 | Adys | Neffi: anyhow, overall its a lot simpler than svn especially when you get another committer or two. also, pick up a github account |
| 06:17.20 | Adys | github works with svn so you can even transition easily |
| 06:17.31 | Jamash | what exactly do you mean by simpler? |
| 06:17.36 | Adys | fuck off mate |
| 06:17.40 | Jamash | wow |
| 06:17.46 | Jamash | and I'm called a troll |
| 06:17.48 | Fisker | how do you do it Adys ? |
| 06:17.55 | Fisker | you're still up :( |
| 06:17.58 | Adys | Jamash: I'm not answering any more of your questions |
| 06:18.04 | Adys | Fisker: i took a 6 hr nap yesterday |
| 06:18.04 | Fisker | and i'm like really tired |
| 06:18.08 | Fisker | oh ok |
| 06:18.33 | Jamash | Adys: I can't keep track of which one's ackis and which one's adys, are you the one with the garfield minus garfield kick? |
| 06:18.50 | Jamash | I should really write this down some time |
| 06:19.45 | Adys | Jamash: i can keep track of you just fine. you're a regular troll who just gets a kick out of looking like a cretin in this channel, starting arguments, never backing up your "facts" and who never actually contributed one piece of usefulness into this channel |
| 06:19.56 | Jamash | now you're making stuff up again |
| 06:20.24 | Jamash | anyway, you answered my question, you're the angry, resentful one |
| 06:21.41 | Adys | Jamash: im rarely ever angry |
| 06:21.58 | Jamash | you seem to be angry a lot in my experience |
| 06:22.37 | Adys | your experience seems to come from a place where facts have sex with fiction and any name that starts with an A is the same as the other |
| 06:23.10 | Jamash | I got hit on the head a lot as a child |
| 06:23.26 | Jamash | are you mocking my learning disability? |
| 06:23.36 | Cairenn | ... |
| 06:23.49 | Jamash | well, that's my queue to drive home |
| 06:23.56 | Jamash | enjoy the buffet! |
| 06:24.40 | Torhal | Jesus |
| 06:24.44 | Adys | yes? |
| 06:24.44 | Torhal | That was…awkward |
| 06:24.58 | End_ | Cairenn should make sudden reappearances more often |
| 06:25.05 | Torhal | Adys: Funny that you should answer, considering anywhere I go that's what I'm called. |
| 06:25.17 | End_ | well |
| 06:25.19 | End_ | you do have the hair |
| 06:25.20 | Adys | Why are you calling yourself? |
| 06:25.23 | nevcairiel | Torhal: no pictures on irc |
| 06:25.24 | End_ | oh that wonderful hair |
| 06:25.25 | Torhal | Hah |
| 06:25.36 | End_ | wonderful? I mean |
| 06:25.55 | End_ | actually I can't think of something suitably amusing |
| 06:25.56 | Adys | Torhal: maybe its just because i know Jamash but it stopped being awkward months ago |
| 06:26.10 | Torhal | https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/304029_300098900000396_650371417_n.jpg |
| 06:26.13 | Adys | i honestly dont know why hes still here |
| 06:26.14 | Torhal | Myself and Ackis. |
| 06:26.25 | Adys | Torhal: my hair's longer |
| 06:26.33 | Adys | you do have the beard tho |
| 06:26.38 | Arrowmaster | mines longer than both of yours i bet |
| 06:26.41 | Torhal | How can you tell that from that pic? My hair is behind me... |
| 06:26.42 | Arrowmaster | and i have a beard |
| 06:26.50 | Adys | Torhal: "Trust me, it's longer" |
| 06:27.07 | Torhal | I think Arrowmaster has about 6 inches on mine. |
| 06:27.39 | Adys | Arrowmaster: i dont remember yours being longer than mine |
| 06:27.43 | End_ | I actually had no idea about Arrowmaster's hair, but he doesn't use his hair as his avatar |
| 06:27.57 | End_ | ;-p |
| 06:28.01 | Arrowmaster | mines currently about mid butt but its braided which makes it shorter |
| 06:28.03 | Cairenn | is just soooo not commenting on a number of the things recently stated |
| 06:28.08 | End_ | haha |
| 06:28.09 | Adys | ah yes |
| 06:28.11 | Adys | Cairenn: Do. |
| 06:28.14 | Torhal | peers curiously at Cairenn. |
| 06:28.27 | Torhal | If it's the 6 inches remark, I'm not surprised. |
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| 06:28.55 | Adys | Arrowmaster: forgot about the braids; mine's just about lower back length but I lost like 8 inches the other day |
| 06:29.23 | Torhal | So yours sounds to be about the same length as mine then. |
| 06:29.28 | Torhal | Unless you're taller... |
| 06:29.30 | Torhal | Heh |
| 06:29.31 | Adys | although i cant really compare since everyone in the US is a fucking giant |
| 06:29.32 | Arrowmaster | i shaved my head in 03 and i think ive trimed the end of my hair to make it even about once or twice since |
| 06:29.42 | Arrowmaster | Torhal: no hes really short |
| 06:30.03 | Torhal | I'm 1.82 meters |
| 06:30.05 | Adys | Im not short, you people couldnt fit through the doors here in the UK |
| 06:30.35 | Subspace | <-- 24 white male in the USA, I'm 5'4" |
| 06:30.51 | Adys | Subspace: Appropriate nick huh |
| 06:30.53 | Arrowmaster | i had to use google to convert, im 1.8 meters |
| 06:30.58 | Subspace | :p |
| 06:31.08 | Torhal | Subspace is 1.62 |
| 06:31.11 | Torhal | :D |
| 06:31.18 | nevcairiel | I'm 2.01, and you think they are tall! |
| 06:31.23 | Torhal | lol |
| 06:31.30 | Subspace | Everyone is taller than me pretty much |
| 06:31.32 | nevcairiel | although i have short hair :p |
| 06:31.36 | Adys | I'm just about 1.6m |
| 06:31.36 | nevcairiel | long hair is just too annoying |
| 06:31.36 | Subspace | Like 90% of girls are taller |
| 06:31.51 | Arrowmaster | nevcairiel: Antiarc might still have you beat |
| 06:31.57 | Adys | nevcairiel: it's awkward on family meetings |
| 06:32.08 | Adys | my brother is just about 2.1m iirc |
| 06:32.13 | Subspace | I have a badass 5cm beard though :p |
| 06:33.07 | Arrowmaster | mine gets about that long then starts thinning because i have to comb it so often |
| 06:33.23 | Subspace | Yeah |
| 06:33.29 | Subspace | I usually keep mine shorter |
| 06:33.32 | Adys | urgh |
| 06:33.37 | Subspace | This is the first time I have really grown mine out |
| 06:33.44 | Adys | those people recommend reading reddit's source code for a beginner learning python |
| 06:34.24 | Arrowmaster | i need to get around to learning python sometime |
| 06:34.34 | Subspace | It takes like 30 min to learn |
| 06:34.36 | Adys | Arrowmaster: http://learnpythonthehardway.org/book/ |
| 06:34.37 | Subspace | Super easy |
| 06:34.50 | Subspace | And has libs for everything |
| 06:34.52 | Adys | apparently this book is the big thing nowadays in the python community |
| 06:34.54 | Arrowmaster | i learned the basics of ruby then everybody stopped using it |
| 06:34.59 | Adys | hahah |
| 06:35.07 | Adys | ruby was one hell of a bubble |
| 06:35.12 | Torhal | Python is pretty fucking sweet. |
| 06:35.20 | Adys | ~hug Torhal |
| 06:35.20 | purl | ACTION sneaks up on Torhal and suddenly hugs Torhal tightly |
| 06:35.27 | Torhal | I sometimes troll Adys on #python |
| 06:35.45 | End_ | ruby would have been hard for me to get into |
| 06:35.46 | Adys | I don't hate you for it, I just dislike you strongly and want you dead |
| 06:35.53 | Torhal | oh, ok |
| 06:35.55 | Subspace | I should prob learn Haskel |
| 06:36.26 | Ackis | anyone having issues with the DMF? |
| 06:36.31 | Ackis | e.g. profession quests not showing up |
| 06:36.33 | Torhal | Ackis: Huh? |
| 06:37.01 | Ackis | DMF = darkmoon faire, it's a wow thing |
| 06:37.10 | Torhal | Ackis: Apparently they didn't reset them. |
| 06:37.13 | End_ | Ackis: blizzard forgot to reset it I hear |
| 06:37.27 | End_ | I think Adys noticed it first actually |
| 06:37.27 | Torhal | ~lart Ackis |
| 06:37.27 | purl | judo chops Ackis |
| 06:37.31 | Ackis | sighs |
| 06:37.42 | Torhal | I know what Darkmoon Faire is, asshat. I just never saw it referred to as DMF. |
| 06:37.42 | Ackis | will they fix it you think? one time I was actually looking forward to the DMF |
| 06:37.46 | End_ | probably |
| 06:37.48 | Adys | Ackis: they didnt reset any of the monthlies |
| 06:37.51 | Adys | yeah theyll def fix |
| 06:38.01 | Adys | its the same in EU |
| 06:38.05 | Torhal | I sometimes think Ackis is a bigger troll than Fisker. |
| 06:38.08 | Adys | im guessing they fucked with the cycle in 5.x |
| 06:38.12 | End_ | impossible |
| 06:38.38 | Ackis | Torhal: huh? |
| 06:38.49 | Ackis | I've been playing wow for the last few hours, dmf just started on my server |
| 06:39.03 | Torhal | Ackis: Your DMF remark. "it's a wow thing" |
| 06:39.04 | Torhal | :P |
| 06:39.15 | Ackis | because of your "huh?" |
| 06:39.23 | End_ | Torhal has never played WoW in his life |
| 06:39.26 | Torhal | DMF I have never seen :) |
| 06:39.53 | Ackis | Shirik: is DMF a common term? |
| 06:40.10 | Adys | in wow? |
| 06:42.15 | nevcairiel | how else do you shorten darkmoon faire? |
| 06:42.41 | Adys | DF usually |
| 06:43.38 | End_ | I've seen DMF, but I am exceedingly bad at remembering abbreviations |
| 06:45.19 | Torhal | The only abbreviation I'd ever seen for it was "Darkmoon" |
| 06:45.29 | Torhal | Or "the fair" (yes, lacking the e) |
| 06:46.03 | sidji | last month on beta they forget to reset too |
| 06:47.10 | Adys | they didnt forget, they just fucked with the cycle |
| 06:49.58 | Adys | ugh, if I have a price in euros, want it in USD, but only know the factor of 1 USD in EUR (0.7951), how do I calculate it? |
| 06:50.03 | Adys | dont want to get this one wrong again |
| 06:51.10 | pompy | ohh sweet http://blackmesasource.com/ finally a countdown |
| 06:51.31 | Adys | 2 weeks eh |
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| 06:53.29 | pompy | yess |
| 06:54.45 | Subspace | Adys, divide |
| 06:55.07 | Subspace | 1 USD = .7951 EUR ? |
| 06:55.22 | Torhal | Adys: WolframAlpha |
| 06:55.40 | Subspace | So 1 = (1 USD) / (.7951 EUR) |
| 06:55.45 | Arrowmaster | google now |
| 06:55.51 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: Ah, nice. |
| 06:56.01 | Adys | thanks |
| 06:56.13 | Subspace | So, for example, 10 EUR = 10 EUR * ((1 USD) / (.7951 EUR)) = 10 / .7951 USD |
| 06:56.24 | Subspace | WA and Google also work :p |
| 06:56.59 | Arrowmaster | i like being lazy and using google nows voice rec |
| 07:05.06 | Neffi | Is there a better way to inherit from multiple tables? http://pastebin.com/n3pXrTse |
| 07:06.34 | Neffi | I can't think of a better way, but maybe I'm just tired |
| 07:08.21 | Semlar | give the meta table a meta table? |
| 07:08.48 | Neffi | I don't think that works |
| 07:09.05 | Neffi | Oh, I see what you mean |
| 07:09.12 | Semlar | like the index |
| 07:09.26 | Neffi | No, that won't work. I'm building a hierarchy of Widget API, and some types inherit from multiple non-related source |
| 07:09.42 | Neffi | Eg EditBox inherits from both Frame and FontInstance. I can't make Frame inherit from FontInstance, because that's wrong. |
| 07:11.42 | Semlar | i don't know |
| 07:12.50 | Semlar | i need to figure out a way to organize how the zones overlap on my map http://i.imgur.com/JVKZB.jpg |
| 07:13.28 | Semlar | i might just make the smaller zone always higher |
| 07:13.45 | Semlar | i'm not sure how valid that'll be |
| 07:13.50 | Neffi | Split each texture into 3 (middle, left, right) so you can chop off the borders with SetTexCoord |
| 07:14.05 | Semlar | well i don't know which part of the zone is going to be superfluous |
| 07:14.11 | nevcairiel | the maps are numerous small textures anyway |
| 07:14.33 | nevcairiel | why do you render the background as well? it usually doesnt contain any useful parts |
| 07:14.51 | Semlar | the background's alpha is only like 0.1 on that image |
| 07:14.55 | Neffi | I was about to say that. The useful parts are *usually* in the explored-areas textures |
| 07:15.05 | Semlar | the hammer graphic over arathi highlands is from an overlay |
| 07:15.13 | Neffi | You could always keep database of areas on the background that you need, and SetTexCoord that part in |
| 07:15.22 | Semlar | i don't want to keep any database |
| 07:15.33 | nevcairiel | then it'll never be perfect |
| 07:15.57 | Neffi | Well you know where the border is on any given background |
| 07:16.00 | Semlar | i want it to be able to figure out for itself what it should look like |
| 07:16.06 | Neffi | You can SetTexCoord it out without needing a database |
| 07:16.20 | Neffi | Border is just about always the same, regardless of zone |
| 07:16.28 | Neffi | Atleast in area/size |
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| 07:18.22 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/5JDLL.jpg this is what it would look like if the zone under it were just raised |
| 07:19.45 | Semlar | which is to say.. a considerable improvement |
| 07:20.05 | Neffi | Well as much work as you do, it'll never be exactly perfect |
| 07:20.23 | Neffi | Just better and better until you come to a point where you can't fix this or that because you don't want a database |
| 07:20.50 | nevcairiel | a perfect result needs a database which zone tiles should be on top of others, not even complete zones, but individual map tiles |
| 07:21.10 | nevcairiel | (even then it'll look glitchy, but what can you do) |
| 07:22.28 | Subspace | Make an exception databas |
| 07:22.33 | Subspace | Get a good rule of thumb |
| 07:22.45 | Subspace | Then add a small database for the few corrections needed |
| 07:24.45 | Semlar | i might be able to figure something out based on how far one zone's map overlaps into another |
| 07:26.28 | Semlar | then again i can always bring whatever you're mousing over to the top too |
| 07:26.43 | nevcairiel | in case of arathi, that still looks crap |
| 07:26.53 | nevcairiel | if it suddenly pops up |
| 07:28.49 | Semlar | the fact that the border is actually part of the map texture is kind of annoying |
| 07:30.30 | Torhal | Semlar: Use one of those image programs that has a weird-ass algorithm for "guessing" what should be there. |
| 07:30.30 | Torhal | Heh |
| 07:30.42 | Torhal | Doesn't help for in-game-generated stuff though |
| 07:31.46 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/gail7.jpg this is the map with the background of the zone maps completely hidden |
| 07:32.16 | Semlar | so those are all overlays |
| 07:32.24 | Semlar | and the minimap textures under those |
| 07:32.49 | Semlar | and some green stuff because i haven't gotten around to adjusting that |
| 07:34.26 | nevcairiel | burning stepps seems rather dominant in its area =p |
| 07:34.30 | nevcairiel | +e |
| 07:35.00 | Semlar | yeah the overlays appear to make up the entire map |
| 07:35.40 | Semlar | i guess it is map shaped |
| 07:40.34 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/mur9f.jpg here is no overlays |
| 07:42.04 | Semlar | kinda looks better without them |
| 07:43.13 | Semlar | they only really provide any information when you're zoomed in close enough to read them |
| 07:44.31 | Semlar | i've always liked that the map only provides information about where you've already been |
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| 08:06.04 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/5F0Pe.jpg it looks like carbonite does the exact same thing |
| 08:31.56 | Neffi | Semlar: Are you trying to replicate the Carbonite map? |
| 08:32.26 | Semlar | not really |
| 08:32.39 | Semlar | it's pretty similar though |
| 08:35.09 | Semlar | i really don't like the way carbonite handles highlighting the zones when you mouse over them |
| 08:40.43 | Neffi | Are you just toying around, or will you be releasing it on WoWI/Curse? |
| 08:43.05 | bluworkcow | someone once to get in on that action ? |
| 08:47.01 | Semlar | i don't know if it'll ever actually make it into an addon |
| 08:47.19 | Semlar | it is pretty interesting to play with though |
| 08:47.46 | Semlar | if i get it to the point where it's clean and usable i'd upload it somewhere |
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| 08:52.09 | Torhal | bluworkcow: Your mastery of the English language confounds me. |
| 08:55.59 | kagaro | Torhal is my hero |
| 08:56.18 | Torhal | Eh? howso? |
| 08:56.29 | Torhal | s/h/H/ |
| 08:56.39 | Torhal | Damn you, purl. |
| 08:56.53 | bluworkcow | confounds me as well Torhal |
| 08:56.58 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/tWPGX.jpg |
| 08:57.03 | Humbedooh | Torhal, learn to \b :> |
| 08:57.14 | kagaro | don't ask me seemed like the thing to say |
| 08:57.18 | Torhal | Humbedooh: Learn to implement punch-cards in WoW Lua. |
| 08:57.31 | Torhal | kagaro: Drink more. |
| 08:57.41 | Humbedooh | Torhal, I have, they're called gnomes |
| 08:57.42 | Torhal | Or sleep less. Or both. |
| 08:57.45 | Humbedooh | you punch 'em and stuff |
| 08:57.47 | kagaro | its almost lunch time ill get the wine then |
| 08:57.54 | Torhal | Ahahaha |
| 08:58.04 | Torhal | kagaro: Where the hell ARE you that it's almost lunch time...? |
| 08:58.14 | kagaro | right now in Naples Italy |
| 08:58.36 | bluworkcow | *slaps Torhal on a Pizza and cooks him* |
| 08:59.29 | Torhal | kagaro: Makes sense, then. |
| 09:00.43 | bluipodcow | Dog |
| 09:00.58 | bluworkcow | bluipodcow: wot. |
| 09:04.51 | tlund | I have this "bug" with Shadow UnitFrames when I target a friendly NPC: http://tlund.pp.se/suf_npc.png it started some time under 4.x already, not new for 5.x - does anyone else have the same problem? I am running suf v3.5.3 |
| 09:06.11 | Semlar | maybe something to do with predicted healing |
| 09:07.41 | tlund | should'nt that be on the HP-bar? |
| 09:07.50 | tlund | this is on the "power" bra |
| 09:07.52 | tlund | bar |
| 09:08.08 | Semlar | ah well it's probably an anchor/width problem then |
| 09:08.32 | tlund | ah, I just targeted another friendly NPC, this one had mana as his power, and then it was correct! |
| 09:08.34 | Semlar | i'm not at all familiar with the addon, sorry |
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| 09:09.17 | Semlar | is it only certain targets? |
| 09:10.14 | tlund | yes, i guess the ones who does not have a "power" to show on the power bar |
| 09:10.17 | Semlar | if you can figure out what they have in common it'll be easier to narrow down |
| 09:10.21 | tlund | here is another screenshot: http://tlund.pp.se/suf_player_and_tot.png |
| 09:10.37 | Semlar | that's is quite a bit outside the frame |
| 09:10.43 | tlund | yes, indeed :) |
| 09:10.47 | Humbedooh | maybe it's happy to see you? :3 |
| 09:10.50 | tlund | hahaha |
| 09:11.14 | tlund | what command do i type to find out my targets powertype? |
| 09:11.26 | tlund | mana/rage/whatever |
| 09:11.58 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:12.53 | Semlar | 0 is mana, 1 is rage, 2 is focus, 3 is energy, 6 is runic power |
| 09:13.19 | tlund | in the keep now, targeting greymane and wrynn |
| 09:13.25 | tlund | wrynn has RAGE and is bugged |
| 09:13.28 | tlund | greymane has MANA and works |
| 09:13.42 | tlund | royal guard has RAGE and is bugged |
| 09:13.54 | Humbedooh | that narrows it down :) |
| 09:13.59 | Semlar | is there a death knight around? |
| 09:14.10 | Semlar | runic power is similar to rage |
| 09:14.12 | tlund | looking for a DK or warrior player/npc |
| 09:14.22 | Semlar | you won't find a dk npc |
| 09:14.43 | nevcairiel | npcs are usually warriors or paladins, not much else out there |
| 09:14.50 | Semlar | rage fills up and mana empties so that might have something to do with it |
| 09:15.17 | tlund | player DK:s work |
| 09:15.27 | Semlar | so far only warriors are bugged? |
| 09:15.44 | tlund | player pet with focus works |
| 09:15.55 | tlund | yes, so far only NPC with RAGE it seems. |
| 09:16.17 | tlund | who is a paladin NPC in stormwind? :) |
| 09:16.19 | Semlar | on the dk does it show as empty or at 100% |
| 09:16.24 | tlund | the trainer perhaps? |
| 09:16.49 | tlund | player DK shows as 0/100 |
| 09:16.54 | nevcairiel | all npcs with mana usually are paladins |
| 09:17.12 | Semlar | they're fairly uncommon |
| 09:17.25 | tlund | npc paladin has mana and is working |
| 09:18.05 | tlund | hehe, the npc priest trainer has rage (and is bugged ofc) |
| 09:18.21 | nevcairiel | usually warrior npcs will always have rage 0 |
| 09:18.28 | nevcairiel | never seen one with any other value |
| 09:18.47 | Semlar | did you check a player warrior |
| 09:19.13 | tlund | not yet :( |
| 09:19.15 | tlund | they are hiding |
| 09:19.56 | nevcairiel | i dont get such problems though |
| 09:19.57 | tlund | found one! he is showing 0/100 rage and is warking |
| 09:20.14 | tlund | nevcairiel: might be something "stuck" in my config that i can't change via the GUI |
| 09:20.21 | nevcairiel | npc warriors really shouldnt show any power |
| 09:20.30 | Semlar | i wonder if that's what's doing it |
| 09:20.32 | nevcairiel | not 0/100, not anything |
| 09:20.40 | tlund | nevcairiel: they don't really, it just says 100%, no x/y |
| 09:20.45 | tlund | (see picture) |
| 09:21.07 | tlund | nevcairiel: http://tlund.pp.se/suf_npc.png |
| 09:21.21 | nevcairiel | it shouldnt even say 100% |
| 09:21.28 | tlund | if i target a player or pet, it will say x/y in the right part of the power bar |
| 09:21.39 | Semlar | i suppose technically 0/0 is 100% |
| 09:22.15 | nevcairiel | i have the [perpp] tag on my target frame, and i dont get 100% when i target a noc |
| 09:22.18 | nevcairiel | npc* |
| 09:22.55 | Semlar | in the default interface it just completely hides their bar if their UnitPowerMax is 0 |
| 09:23.10 | tlund | power bar left text: [levelcolor][( )classification][( )smartrace][classcolor][( )class][close][( )perhp] |
| 09:23.15 | tlund | power bar right text: [curmaxpp] |
| 09:23.26 | nevcairiel | so your 100% is perhp, not perpp |
| 09:23.30 | nevcairiel | that explains it =p |
| 09:23.58 | nevcairiel | wonder why you have hp there, but oh well! |
| 09:25.22 | tlund | nevcairiel: there was some good reason to show the targets hp% on the left side of the powerbar.... |
| 09:25.49 | nevcairiel | well anyway, the text tags are fine, for some reason just your bar goes wild |
| 09:25.50 | tlund | nevcairiel: i think possibly because when the boss has a name that is too long, the the text on the hp bar gets cut off i think |
| 09:26.00 | Semlar | can you control what the bar displays? |
| 09:26.06 | tlund | i made this like 3-4 year ago |
| 09:26.25 | tlund | Semlar: was that a question to me? in that case, i am unsure what you meant. |
| 09:27.11 | Semlar | just that it could be displaying something like current unit health out of unit max power or something |
| 09:27.26 | nevcairiel | the bars function is fixed, cant change it |
| 09:27.31 | Semlar | alright |
| 09:28.01 | tlund | so yes, [curmaxpp] and [perpp] are both empty for NPC:s with RAGE as their power. |
| 09:28.37 | tlund | my next guess would be some scaleing problem |
| 09:28.41 | tlund | going to have a look at that now |
| 09:29.27 | Neffi | Semlar: 0/0 is not 100%. It's undefined. If you try to set the height/width of a texture against 0/0, it will skew in an undefined way, potentially stretching and appearing in random directions. |
| 09:29.38 | Neffi | And the skew is different for every unique client for some reason |
| 09:30.13 | Neffi | ie I was doing that on nfUnitFrames and the bar would simply hide, but when I brother ran it, the bar would become tale and stretch across his screen horizotnally (when it was a vertical bar) |
| 09:30.17 | Semlar | the ratio is technically 100%, even if dividing it is impossible |
| 09:30.28 | nevcairiel | its not directly applied against a texture, its passed to SetMinMaxValues for the status bar |
| 09:30.40 | Neffi | Ratio is defined as 0:0, not 0/0. 0/0 is mathematically nonsense. |
| 09:30.41 | nevcairiel | never seen any issues with 0, 0 for its parameters |
| 09:31.22 | Neffi | I->my; tale->tall |
| 09:31.41 | Semlar | actually if you try to set the width and height of a texture to zero it will default to the texture's actual size |
| 09:31.42 | Neffi | Ah I see. I don't use StatusBars. Bad horizontal support. |
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| 09:32.03 | Neffi | If you set it to 0 yes, but not to 0/0. |
| 09:32.27 | Semlar | will lua even let you do that without throwing an error |
| 09:32.31 | Neffi | The texture was Buttons\WHITE8X8 which is 8 x 8 and for my brother, it was skewing to a very large size and inproper position. For me, it would totally hide. |
| 09:32.34 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure that evaluates to inf |
| 09:32.42 | Neffi | Something like that |
| 09:32.46 | Neffi | lua> 0/0 |
| 09:32.46 | lua_bot | Neffi: -nan |
| 09:32.54 | Neffi | Well, 1.#IND in WoW |
| 09:33.00 | Neffi | which is different than reference Lua |
| 09:33.05 | nevcairiel | 0/0 is nan, 1/0 is inf |
| 09:33.06 | Semlar | or -1.#IND |
| 09:33.23 | Neffi | lua> 1/0 |
| 09:33.23 | lua_bot | Neffi: inf |
| 09:33.24 | nevcairiel | I dont think WoW lets you create a NaN value anymore, it just errors |
| 09:33.25 | Neffi | heh |
| 09:33.45 | Semlar | not a number |
| 09:33.51 | Neffi | Probably has to do with taint. They have to check every value that's assigned, I suppose. Probably removed nan for simplicity of implementation. |
| 09:34.02 | nevcairiel | nah taint is far older then that limitation |
| 09:34.09 | nevcairiel | nan only stopped working in 4.3 or such |
| 09:34.17 | Neffi | Performance optimization? |
| 09:34.24 | Neffi | Who knows what Slouken does behind the scenes |
| 09:34.35 | nevcairiel | he hasnt worked for Blizzard for a long time :) |
| 09:34.36 | Neffi | Wait, is Slouken even the lead programmer anymore? |
| 09:34.41 | Neffi | Damn. I loved Slouken. |
| 09:34.44 | Neffi | Where is he now? |
| 09:34.47 | Humbedooh | valve |
| 09:34.51 | nevcairiel | Latest news, with valve |
| 09:34.55 | Neffi | (Also, that explains the total lack of blue posts on UI forums. =( ) |
| 09:35.24 | Neffi | Good for him. I like Valve. |
| 09:35.56 | Neffi | Anyone know why he left? |
| 09:36.51 | Neffi | lua> type(0/0) |
| 09:36.51 | lua_bot | Neffi: number |
| 09:37.12 | Semlar | psh, that's not what you were sayin earlier |
| 09:37.24 | Neffi | Yeah, Semlar, Lua still knows it's a numberso it allows it. You can probably find what it does in the Lua source if you know C. |
| 09:38.00 | Neffi | I know it's a number. But WoW's engine probably reads the raw value, which for nan/inf/etc isn't going to be a real number value. It could end up being undefined. |
| 09:38.22 | Semlar | i mean the bot said it was -nan which literally means it's not a number |
| 09:38.40 | Neffi | Actually being that the results of my bug were unique for each client, Lua probably releases the memory the number was stored in, but the WoW engine still tries to reference it, getting data from another variable instead |
| 09:38.59 | tlund | I guess I have to wait for Shadowed, i guess he is on US time and doesn't wake up for a few more hours? |
| 09:39.01 | Neffi | Not a real number. But in term's of Lua's type system, it's still flagged as a number. |
| 09:39.23 | Neffi | I'm actually going to see the Lua source now. I'm curious. |
| 09:39.44 | Neffi | WoW is 5.1 not 5.0, right? |
| 09:39.55 | bluworkcow | iirc |
| 09:40.09 | bluworkcow | but can probably work out by extracting the framexml maybe |
| 09:40.14 | bluworkcow | framexml? |
| 09:40.22 | bluworkcow | -_____- BRB |
| 09:40.39 | tlund | _VERSION says "Lua 5.1" in wow 5.0.4 client |
| 09:41.49 | tlund | as a paladin, is the currently active seal not supposed to show up as a buff? or is there something miffed with my addons? |
| 09:41.51 | Neffi | The Lua engine is embedded in the C(++?) |
| 09:42.04 | Neffi | If anything, it would still be in binary form, not source |
| 09:42.25 | Semlar | maybe the buff is being consolidated |
| 09:42.25 | Neffi | tlund: They said showing it as a buff was redundant since it now uses the stance bar |
| 09:42.32 | Neffi | So it's not shown at all anymore |
| 09:42.34 | tlund | Neffi: ok |
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| 09:42.37 | tlund | thanks |
| 09:42.44 | Semlar | they made seals into stances? |
| 09:42.48 | Neffi | yes |
| 09:43.04 | Semlar | do they still have auras |
| 09:44.26 | Jammer | no |
| 09:44.56 | Semlar | interesting |
| 09:45.34 | Neffi | Okay |
| 09:45.55 | Neffi | 0/0 is doing no special magic. It runs as-is on the CPU. |
| 09:46.06 | Neffi | Which is to say, 0/0 in Lua becomes (0)/(0) in C |
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| 09:46.36 | Neffi | But as I suspected, Lua uses a typedef for each Lua type, so it still knows it's a "number" (lua_Number type) |
| 09:46.44 | Neffi | So it knows to treat bad values as good ones |
| 09:47.25 | Neffi | It runs the numbers through a function (which I can't find) before doing the math which I assume is to avoid 0/0 crashing the client |
| 09:49.13 | Neffi | Found it. It's interesting that all the real workload is being done by macros which are very simple lines of C. The code in Lua is so small, compact and honestly beautiful. |
| 09:49.52 | Neffi | Looking at the source, Lua should be prized as a rare gem among software. I tip my hat to its engineers. |
| 09:50.28 | Semlar | unlike my source |
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| 09:51.07 | Semlar | which should never see the light of day |
| 09:51.23 | Neffi | Correction: it doesn't use a custom type for lua_Number. It only uses the custom name so you can define it as something else. It's just a normal double. Which means it knows the type because it can typecheck that it's a double. It doesn't actually flag or remember what types are, except strings/tables. |
| 09:52.00 | Neffi | is not at all surprised Lua is so fast. |
| 09:52.19 | Neffi | I'd like to see another VM with code this compact, yet speed this impressive. |
| 09:53.49 | kagaro | rubbings maybe |
| 09:53.54 | kagaro | damn auto correct |
| 09:54.00 | kagaro | rubinus |
| 09:54.12 | Neffi | Semlar: wtf is CTCP TIME? |
| 09:54.26 | Semlar | i don't know |
| 09:54.41 | Semlar | oh client to client protocol |
| 09:54.43 | Neffi | Ah, I guess you checked me for something |
| 09:54.47 | Neffi | Timezone? |
| 09:55.02 | Semlar | i asked it what time you were |
| 09:55.02 | Humbedooh | yes, it queries your client about the current time |
| 09:55.06 | Neffi | Also, I know it's possible to implement Lisp is like a few hundred lines, but that doesn't count |
| 09:55.18 | Humbedooh | lithp :| |
| 09:55.19 | Neffi | s/is/in/ |
| 09:55.20 | Semlar | what does it show for you when i do that |
| 09:55.27 | Neffi | dammit purl |
| 09:55.42 | Neffi | s/Lisp is like/Lisp in like/ |
| 09:55.51 | Neffi | purl, no, purl sucks |
| 09:56.03 | Humbedooh | Neffi, s/\bis/in/ :> |
| 09:56.20 | Neffi | Ah that makes sense |
| 09:56.38 | Neffi | uses Lua patterns too much to ever get a concrete hold on regex. |
| 09:56.40 | Humbedooh | (assuming purl uses pcre) |
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| 09:56.59 | Humbedooh | \b is sooort of like %f[%a]...ish |
| 09:57.04 | Neffi | Semlar: It shows * Received a CTCP TIME from Semlar |
| 09:57.07 | Semlar | it represents a word boundary |
| 09:57.35 | Humbedooh | packs Semlar up in a word boundary |
| 09:57.40 | Semlar | help! |
| 09:57.42 | Semlar | I NEED AN ADULT! |
| 09:57.45 | Neffi | lol |
| 09:58.00 | Humbedooh | lisp is lisp |
| 09:58.09 | Humbedooh | s/\bis/in/ |
| 09:58.09 | Neffi | huh? |
| 09:58.17 | Humbedooh | bah, she didn't bite |
| 09:58.29 | Humbedooh | ~lart purl |
| 09:58.29 | purl | nabs the moon and broadsides humbedooh with the sea of tranquility |
| 09:58.39 | Humbedooh | no, not humbedooh ;( |
| 09:58.41 | Semlar | does it actually support regex |
| 09:59.10 | Semlar | because an improper pattern could be devastating |
| 09:59.10 | Humbedooh | apparently not :( |
| 10:00.30 | Neffi | purl echo "lua> print([[purl echo lua> print('purl echo hi') ]])" |
| 10:00.30 | purl | "lua> print([[purl echo lua> print('purl echo hi') ]])" |
| 10:00.40 | Neffi | purl echo lua> print([[purl echo lua> print('purl echo hi') ]]) |
| 10:00.40 | purl | lua> print([[purl echo lua> print('purl echo hi') ]]) |
| 10:00.40 | lua_bot | purl: purl echo lua> print('purl echo hi') |
| 10:00.50 | Neffi | lol |
| 10:00.52 | Neffi | woops |
| 10:01.09 | haste | such fail |
| 10:01.09 | Neffi | purl echo lua> print([[echo lua> print('purl echo hi') ]]) |
| 10:01.10 | purl | lua> print([[echo lua> print('purl echo hi') ]]) |
| 10:01.10 | lua_bot | purl: echo lua> print('purl echo hi') |
| 10:01.10 | purl | lua> print('purl echo hi') |
| 10:01.10 | lua_bot | purl: purl echo hi |
| 10:01.22 | Neffi | ok fuck it |
| 10:01.26 | Humbedooh | aaalmost :D |
| 10:01.31 | Neffi | purl echo lua> print([[echo lua> print('echo hi') ]]) |
| 10:01.31 | purl | lua> print([[echo lua> print('echo hi') ]]) |
| 10:01.32 | lua_bot | purl: echo lua> print('echo hi') |
| 10:01.32 | purl | lua> print('echo hi') |
| 10:01.32 | lua_bot | purl: echo hi |
| 10:01.32 | purl | hi |
| 10:02.18 | Humbedooh | hi, purl |
| 10:02.27 | haste | don't write a quine now! |
| 10:03.13 | Humbedooh | do it! |
| 10:03.42 | Neffi | lua> print( ('%.17f'):format(0) ) |
| 10:03.42 | lua_bot | Neffi: 0.00000000000000000 |
| 10:03.48 | Neffi | lua> print( ('%.17f'):format(.999999999999999999999999999) ) |
| 10:03.49 | lua_bot | Neffi: 1.00000000000000000 |
| 10:03.56 | Neffi | lua> print( ('%.17f'):format(.33333333333333333333333) ) |
| 10:03.56 | lua_bot | Neffi: 0.33333333333333331 |
| 10:04.02 | Neffi | lua> print( ('%.20f'):format(.33333333333333333333333) ) |
| 10:04.02 | lua_bot | Neffi: 0.33333333333333331483 |
| 10:04.10 | haste | http://www.lua.org/demo.html |
| 10:04.16 | Neffi | Sorry |
| 10:04.24 | haste | you can also PM it afaik |
| 10:06.00 | Fisker | hey haste |
| 10:06.02 | Fisker | do you remember? |
| 10:06.17 | Semlar | how does it get 1483 out of rounding that |
| 10:06.39 | Humbedooh | Semlar, because it's a float? :| |
| 10:06.53 | Humbedooh | ie not really what you typed but close enough for jazz |
| 10:07.14 | Humbedooh | or a double or whateverz |
| 10:07.22 | Semlar | as i understand it, .9 repeating apparently does equal 1 |
| 10:07.25 | Neffi | Semlar: It's double precision. 16 decimal places. The rest is overflow from the memory cell after it probably. |
| 10:07.34 | Semlar | i was always pretty skeptical about that math |
| 10:07.36 | Neffi | And yes, 0.9~ is 1 |
| 10:08.43 | Semlar | i think mathematicians just like to mess with people |
| 10:09.44 | Neffi | If you're still skeptical, try to reason it out |
| 10:09.52 | Fisker | haste doesn't remember :( |
| 10:09.52 | Neffi | How can you possibly have infinite 9s? |
| 10:10.21 | Neffi | Or if you want to do some reading, you can probably find your answer in a math textbook, sectioned under convergence |
| 10:10.27 | Neffi | At least I believe that falls under convergence |
| 10:11.01 | Semlar | well how can you have infinite 8s |
| 10:11.08 | Neffi | You can't |
| 10:11.22 | Neffi | But it doesn't just because .89, because that's a different value |
| 10:12.39 | Neffi | .8~ is a coherent pattern. So while I'm no mathematician, it makes sense to me because it represents a unique pattern in reality. |
| 10:12.47 | Neffi | What I have a problem understanding is irrational numbers |
| 10:12.56 | Neffi | But I don't deny pi =) |
| 10:13.30 | Semlar | it's just so round |
| 10:14.37 | Neffi | But it's not |
| 10:14.43 | Neffi | pi is a half-circle =| |
| 10:14.45 | Neffi | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Unit_circle_angles_color.svg |
| 10:14.55 | Neffi | 2pi is very round though |
| 10:15.03 | Semlar | half a circle isn't round? |
| 10:15.25 | Neffi | Not really because it stops being round at some point |
| 10:15.33 | Semlar | you stop being round at some point |
| 10:15.45 | Neffi | What can I say, I like girls |
| 10:16.04 | Semlar | i should be asleep |
| 10:16.12 | Neffi | Anyway, anyone with the Winterspring Frostsaber not having it show up account-wide? |
| 10:16.14 | Semlar | this graph is very patriotic |
| 10:16.22 | Neffi | My brother just obtained his and he said it is showing up. For me, it's not. |
| 10:16.49 | durcyn | the only restriction on it should be faction |
| 10:17.15 | Neffi | That graph saved my A. Math prof for trig let us use a very small formula sheet. I just wrote down the entire unit circle and all perfect points on it, and said "fuck the other formulas". Aced my final because of it. |
| 10:19.17 | Semlar | 23 skidoo! |
| 10:20.40 | Neffi | Ah, it requires you log into the char with the mount |
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| 12:09.59 | F16Gaming | *change some code* *reload* "World of Warcraft Retail has stopped working" |
| 12:11.04 | Fisker | mad? |
| 12:12.16 | F16Gaming | not even a helpful error message :/ |
| 12:14.55 | cbreak | log file? :) |
| 12:15.32 | Neffi | F16Gaming: Crash or hang? |
| 12:15.53 | F16Gaming | Neffi: just the windows "program has stopped working" dialog |
| 12:16.12 | Neffi | Well 5.0.4 likes to crash randomly for me. |
| 12:16.18 | Neffi | Working As Intended (TM) |
| 12:16.23 | Neffi | Or maybe to be fixed Soon (TM) |
| 12:18.03 | F16Gaming | cbreak: which log file? FrameXML.log doesn't say much |
| 12:19.13 | cbreak | :/ |
| 12:19.39 | cbreak | oh, if it's a crash |
| 12:19.43 | cbreak | can't you attach a debugger? |
| 12:19.46 | F16Gaming | 9/2 14:17:50.066 Loading add-on KillTrack |
| 12:19.46 | F16Gaming | 9/2 14:17:50.066 ** Loading table of contents Interface\AddOns\KillTrack\KillTrack.toc |
| 12:19.46 | F16Gaming | 9/2 14:17:50.066 (null) |
| 12:19.48 | cbreak | at least to get a backtrace? |
| 12:20.06 | F16Gaming | that (null) entry... |
| 12:20.17 | Vladinator | Applebough |
| 12:20.22 | Vladinator | why is it "funny"? |
| 12:20.48 | cbreak | because it's made from clowns? |
| 12:23.21 | F16Gaming | changes made: https://github.com/F16Gaming/KillTrack/commit/adbca3332c3770d35bcffb8a0aae5625a6a27ef5 |
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| 12:31.34 | F16Gaming | hm |
| 12:31.46 | F16Gaming | disabling KillTrack.AddSessionKill prevents the crash |
| 12:33.15 | F16Gaming | nope, nvm |
| 12:33.26 | Vladinator | does AutoLootMailItem trigger the TakeInboxItem/TakeInboxMoney respectively? |
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| 12:42.23 | Vladinator | trading and mailbox looting does no longer work? |
| 12:42.34 | Vladinator | curious if it's only me or if it's a change, or bug |
| 12:45.43 | F16Gaming | doing NewDataObject() and then trying to enable it on TitanPanel causes WoW to hang (AppHangB1) |
| 12:49.23 | Ackis | anyone know if they fixed the DMF profession quests? |
| 12:49.28 | F16Gaming | hm |
| 12:49.32 | F16Gaming | the issue seems to be with icon.tga |
| 12:49.45 | F16Gaming | replacing it with the icon.tga from Chocobo makes it work |
| 12:50.43 | cbreak | so... there might be a bug in the tga parser |
| 12:50.50 | cbreak | maybe you could use it to hook into wow |
| 12:51.07 | cbreak | to disable warden, get memory level access or what ever |
| 12:51.34 | F16Gaming | apparently it doesn't like TGAs made with GIMP :d |
| 12:54.01 | Fisker | hey Ackis |
| 12:54.08 | Fisker | why would they? |
| 12:56.44 | AcidWeb | F16Gaming: I use GIMP to create all TGA files. |
| 12:57.03 | F16Gaming | AcidWeb: converted from PNG? |
| 12:57.13 | AcidWeb | yes |
| 12:57.20 | F16Gaming | teach me :p |
| 12:57.29 | AcidWeb | Ctrl+s |
| 12:57.30 | AcidWeb | done. |
| 12:57.35 | F16Gaming | that's what i did :/ |
| 12:57.38 | Ackis | hey Fisker |
| 12:57.40 | Ackis | I hate you today |
| 12:57.46 | F16Gaming | save as -> .tga |
| 13:01.55 | Vladinator | how do "subscriptions" work on curse? mail? |
| 13:02.06 | Fisker | why only today Ackis ? |
| 13:02.20 | Fisker | did you get cheap borderlands 2 dlc? |
| 13:02.21 | Fisker | LOL |
| 13:05.14 | Ackis | not getting borderland 2 |
| 13:05.49 | Fisker | why not? |
| 13:06.02 | Fisker | you hate Parnic ? |
| 13:07.08 | Ackis | no |
| 13:07.24 | Fisker | i think you do |
| 13:08.53 | Fisker | i got Borderlands 2 + the 4 DLC campaigns for ~38€ :o |
| 13:08.59 | Fisker | mad Ackis ? |
| 13:09.13 | Ackis | no |
| 13:09.34 | Fisker | so mad |
| 13:10.33 | Ackis | I'm sick and sad |
| 13:10.36 | Ackis | http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/z7vad/this_is_my_friend_singing_to_his_dog_before_he/ :( |
| 13:10.58 | Fisker | that sucks |
| 13:20.04 | pompy | theyy better refund that fiskrt! |
| 13:20.14 | pompy | fisker* |
| 13:20.48 | Fisker | Can't just take it away pompy |
| 13:21.25 | Ackis | pompy: altoholic got updated but there's still errors in datastore talents |
| 13:22.37 | Elkano | *happy* |
| 13:23.48 | pompy | Ackis: hmm, he didnt respond to me though :( |
| 13:24.08 | Ackis | didn't you call him a pussy? |
| 13:25.19 | pompy | har har |
| 13:25.58 | pompy | Ackis: http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/datastore_talents/files/7205-r36/ |
| 13:27.10 | Ackis | silly goose, of course I'm using it |
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| 13:29.02 | pompy | what error then |
| 13:29.27 | Ackis | I dunno I cleared my bug sack |
| 13:29.41 | pompy | repro it1!!!! |
| 13:29.59 | Ackis | I just did! to you! |
| 13:31.50 | pompy | >< |
| 13:33.44 | Elkano | is teasing again: http://media-curse.cursecdn.com/attachments/2/357/d72400f12bafc907a3f73948437a0fc3.png |
| 13:34.26 | Ackis | that better be a link to an image of EBB |
| 13:35.01 | Elkano | no, it's just a 2-3 year ol image :P |
| 13:35.52 | Elkano | also, my addon just used ~30mb... well, sorting 60k+ items takes some space... |
| 13:36.02 | pompy | Ackis: i cant look for a fix if i dont know what the error was :( |
| 13:36.48 | Ackis | excuses |
| 13:40.44 | F16Gaming | AcidWeb: found the issue. Gimp saved the TGA as "Indexed" instead of "RGB" |
| 13:41.04 | p3lim | Some retard on my server is claiming that NPCScan is hiding quests from npcs in the game |
| 13:45.12 | Kalroth | isnt npcscan just an advanced target macro? |
| 13:45.47 | Ackis | no |
| 13:45.54 | Ackis | it scans the cache to see if a rare is loaded or not |
| 13:46.08 | Kalroth | ah |
| 13:48.43 | Ackis | pompy: http://mibpaste.com/AV6Pep |
| 13:57.29 | Fisker | hey you Ackis |
| 14:08.42 | Stanzilla | Vladinator: yo |
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| 14:14.30 | Vladinator | yo |
| 14:14.38 | Vladinator | (btw blizz added search to pets but not mounts, g.g. :P) |
| 14:16.11 | Vladinator | Stanzilla: yo :P |
| 14:16.24 | Stanzilla | Vladinator: I found a bug! |
| 14:16.25 | Stanzilla | again! |
| 14:16.30 | Vladinator | :O |
| 14:16.32 | Vladinator | prey tell |
| 14:16.54 | Stanzilla | it's error mania if people are online with more than one account |
| 14:16.58 | Stanzilla | and class colors do not work then |
| 14:17.45 | Stanzilla | 54x FriendsListColors\FriendsListColors-1.5.3.lua:67: attempt to perform arithmetic on local "tar" (a string value) |
| 14:17.50 | Vladinator | realid friends? |
| 14:18.05 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 14:18.13 | Vladinator | if they are online with multiple wow accounts? |
| 14:18.29 | Stanzilla | nope, mixed. like wow + sc2 |
| 14:18.40 | Vladinator | hmm |
| 14:18.48 | Vladinator | I didn't know that can happen lol :P |
| 14:18.56 | Vladinator | can you help me debug it? if you login wow and sc2 |
| 14:18.57 | Vladinator | :) |
| 14:19.04 | Stanzilla | I can |
| 14:19.11 | Stanzilla | are you us or eu? |
| 14:19.13 | Vladinator | eu |
| 14:19.17 | Stanzilla | okay |
| 14:19.19 | Stanzilla | gieve real id then |
| 14:19.30 | Vladinator | btw are battletag and mail same now? |
| 14:19.34 | Stanzilla | nope |
| 14:19.40 | Vladinator | ok |
| 14:19.43 | Vladinator | add vladix@gmail.com |
| 14:19.46 | Stanzilla | but either will work fine |
| 14:19.52 | Vladinator | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:20.12 | Stanzilla | this person is already your friend |
| 14:20.18 | Vladinator | aha |
| 14:20.21 | Vladinator | so you can't duplicate like that |
| 14:21.03 | Vladinator | can you login on sc2 or diablo or something now? ^^ |
| 14:21.13 | Stanzilla | yes, was jsut looking for my sc2 folder |
| 14:21.17 | Vladinator | :D |
| 14:21.52 | Fisker | hey Stanzilla |
| 14:22.01 | Stanzilla | Vladinator: there |
| 14:22.05 | Stanzilla | Fisker: hey sweetie |
| 14:22.23 | Vladinator | hi sweetie |
| 14:22.42 | Vladinator | no errors yet, stan |
| 14:22.47 | Vladinator | you are on sc2 atm |
| 14:22.56 | Vladinator | sec |
| 14:23.00 | Vladinator | aah |
| 14:23.04 | Vladinator | you gotta run sc2 first then wow? |
| 14:23.09 | Vladinator | because game things you play sc2 primarily |
| 14:23.13 | Vladinator | so the addon don't style it ;) |
| 14:23.20 | Stanzilla | ok |
| 14:23.22 | Vladinator | but if you login wow last, then that should be "priority" and show on top |
| 14:23.50 | Stanzilla | now? |
| 14:23.57 | Vladinator | ok, here we go |
| 14:26.59 | Kraps | does curse email you if a faved addon gets updated? |
| 14:27.42 | Vladinator | fixed it :) |
| 14:27.52 | tlund | Xinhuan: is bankitems getting an update? :) |
| 14:27.58 | Vladinator | FLC picked first toon, but now it iterates and picks WoW toons only to format ;) |
| 14:31.00 | Vladinator | uploaded the update, Stanzilla |
| 14:31.04 | Stanzilla | coolio |
| 14:31.06 | Vladinator | btw I tought you had some lua skills |
| 14:31.10 | Vladinator | don't you? :P |
| 14:31.16 | Stanzilla | urm |
| 14:31.18 | Stanzilla | nope |
| 14:31.26 | Stanzilla | I just pretend |
| 14:31.29 | Vladinator | how did you end up moderator if you can't check if the code is clean? :P |
| 14:31.36 | Stanzilla | that I can do |
| 14:31.37 | Stanzilla | <.< |
| 14:31.53 | Vladinator | :P |
| 14:32.11 | Vladinator | what if I put code to delete items from your bags |
| 14:32.16 | Vladinator | would you be able to see it? :P |
| 14:32.35 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 14:33.04 | Stanzilla | but for already approved projects we don't check every file for bad code |
| 14:33.16 | Stanzilla | there are automatic checks for malicous stuff like exe files etc |
| 14:33.26 | Vladinator | ^^ |
| 14:40.52 | F16Gaming | packager is still acting up :/ |
| 14:41.09 | F16Gaming | i pushed some commits, it decided to create zips of v1.4.1 (outdated version) |
| 14:41.18 | F16Gaming | can someone reset it or something? (For KillTrack) |
| 14:43.05 | Stanzilla | prencher: ^ |
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| 14:59.15 | karl_w_w | there's no cast bar for fishing anymore? |
| 15:00.28 | g0urra | no |
| 15:00.44 | zenzelezz | it was considered OP |
| 15:08.03 | Kraps | does curse email you if a faved addon gets updated? |
| 15:08.35 | AcidWeb | nope |
| 15:08.54 | Kraps | blatgh |
| 15:09.24 | p3lim | Kraps: You can set up a RSS feed for it though |
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| 15:11.51 | p3lim | Vladinator: https://github.com/p3lim/Collie |
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| 15:12.00 | karl_w_w | <Kraps> does curse email you if a faved addon gets updated? <- but you can subscribe to it on curseforge and you'll get emailed |
| 15:12.19 | Neffi | 'You cannot petition the lord with prayer!' One of the greatest beginning of any classic rock song. =) |
| 15:12.21 | Kraps | ah ok |
| 15:12.34 | Vladinator | hehe |
| 15:12.38 | Vladinator | p3lim: I just made my own ;D |
| 15:12.47 | pompy | !api GetGlyphSocketInfo |
| 15:12.47 | lua_bot | GetGlyphSocketInfo: Returns information about a glyph socket and its contents (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetGlyphSocketInfo) |
| 15:12.48 | Neffi | seriously needs something better to do all night than sit on #wowuidev while coding. |
| 15:12.49 | bluspacecow | which song neffi ? |
| 15:13.05 | Neffi | bluspacecow: The Soft Parade by The Doors |
| 15:13.52 | Neffi | Mind-blowing band. The pianist would do piano with his right hand, and bass with his left at the same time, while live no less. |
| 15:13.57 | pompy | Ackis: could be related to the glyphTooltipIndex variable, dunno what they changed in the GetGlyphSocketInfo function |
| 15:14.12 | bluspacecow | agreed |
| 15:14.45 | bluspacecow | used to stay at a bed sit in whangamata beach with "Riders of the Storm" playing |
| 15:14.58 | bluspacecow | while dad was out surfing |
| 15:15.02 | bluspacecow | good days good days |
| 15:15.28 | Neffi | I really wish Morrison had never died. |
| 15:16.09 | Neffi | Any other band, it was okay. I don't even care as much that Bonham died. But Morrison was rare. |
| 15:16.14 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:16.38 | Kraps | oh crap i want to go here http://www.wowhead.com/zone=5789/end-time |
| 15:16.50 | Kraps | way to be behind on content |
| 15:17.15 | nevcairiel | i dislike that instance |
| 15:17.28 | nevcairiel | its the most annoying of the three new ones |
| 15:17.35 | bluspacecow | *adds doors song to want list* |
| 15:17.45 | Kraps | time travel man |
| 15:19.07 | Neffi | Kraps: I only like that place because it's so easy to DPS there. |
| 15:19.23 | Neffi | Cooldowns reset potentially every 20% boss health |
| 15:19.29 | Neffi | I think it's that one |
| 15:19.41 | nevcairiel | i hate the tyrande echo zone, its just so annoying as a healer |
| 15:19.51 | nevcairiel | you always have crappy shadow thingys following you :p |
| 15:20.58 | bluspacecow | @Neffi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oYuKoBLkjY |
| 15:21.24 | Neffi | I have their whole discography =) |
| 15:21.29 | Neffi | And I'm wearing their shirt now |
| 15:22.23 | bluspacecow | is that the right song ? not a remix (silly question I know) |
| 15:23.13 | bluspacecow | also |
| 15:23.13 | bluspacecow | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIlPwc5w5Qc |
| 15:25.36 | Fisker | man bluspacecow |
| 15:25.42 | Fisker | are you ready for blands 2? |
| 15:25.49 | bluspacecow | blands 2 ? |
| 15:25.49 | Neffi | Not a remix in the shitty electro sense, but I believe so |
| 15:25.55 | Fisker | borderlands 2 |
| 15:25.56 | bluspacecow | wat is this craziness |
| 15:26.02 | Neffi | They are different mixes. Not sure if they are any differnt though. |
| 15:26.13 | Fisker | i hate you bluspacecow |
| 15:26.15 | bluspacecow | i am never ready for any game releases |
| 15:26.20 | bluspacecow | u mad fisker ? |
| 15:26.27 | Fisker | yep |
| 15:26.27 | karl_w_w | mists of wat? |
| 15:26.42 | bluspacecow | mists of thunderia! |
| 15:26.54 | bluspacecow | thunder cats ARE GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO in wow |
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| 15:31.50 | bluspacecow | a friend asks "I don't get any cash or DMF drops from looting insignias in a BG anymore." |
| 15:31.55 | bluspacecow | bug or intentional ? |
| 15:32.01 | Yoshimo | you can only interact with a mailbox if it belongs to your faction or can i mail as horde in stormwind if i find a mailbox without getting slain? |
| 15:32.21 | Yoshimo | i cant get the monthly dmf quests either |
| 15:32.39 | pompy | Yoshimo: known bug |
| 15:32.49 | pompy | guess they didnt reset the serverse in the morning |
| 15:33.05 | pompy | bluspacecow: does he have the item in his bags? |
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| 15:33.26 | bluspacecow | what's the item called ? |
| 15:34.03 | pompy | http://www.wowhead.com/item=71634 |
| 15:34.28 | pompy | http://www.wowhead.com/item=71634#comments:id=1669834 |
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| 15:44.02 | Industrial | O hi. |
| 15:46.04 | Industrial | I just preordered |
| 15:46.08 | Industrial | just launching the game |
| 15:46.17 | Industrial | shiiiiit like old times :') |
| 15:47.28 | karl_w_w | bluspacecow can i suggest a wonderful game called Big Rigs: Over the Road Racing to you? |
| 15:47.47 | bluspacecow | does it have big tits in it ? |
| 15:48.03 | bluspacecow | :P |
| 15:48.04 | karl_w_w | no |
| 15:50.42 | karl_w_w | i actually heard about how bad that game was, watched a youtube video, and was still surprised by how bad it was when i tried it |
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| 15:52.33 | karl_w_w | my friend has the best panda name reserved |
| 15:52.39 | karl_w_w | Pandaftpunk |
| 15:53.12 | pompy | lol |
| 15:54.05 | mckenziemc | s/best/worst/ |
| 15:54.17 | Industrial | So |
| 15:54.24 | Industrial | time to resurrect the ol' addons ? |
| 15:54.26 | Industrial | \:D |
| 15:54.43 | karl_w_w | Industrial: only if they are useful |
| 15:54.47 | karl_w_w | to me specifically :P |
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| 15:57.22 | Industrial | karl_w_w: http://www.wowinterface.com/portal.php?id=291&a=list |
| 15:57.49 | Industrial | I guess only idQuestAutomation would be relevant by now o_O |
| 15:58.02 | sacarasc | Hey, I was wondering if there was a new command to summon mini-pets since 5.0... I used to use /cast, but I don't know what it is now. |
| 15:58.51 | kd3 | ./cast whatever should work, just make sure you're using the name it has in the pet journal (shift+p) |
| 15:59.38 | karl_w_w | doesnt work for me kd3 |
| 15:59.56 | karl_w_w | throws an error: "you do not have a pet" |
| 16:00.07 | karl_w_w | which I do at the moment, ironically |
| 16:00.21 | sacarasc | I get that error too. |
| 16:00.56 | mckenziemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:01.15 | kd3 | hm. I think I'm going to go throw myself at the darkmoon rabbit for science |
| 16:01.22 | End_ | be careful |
| 16:01.26 | End_ | it has big gnashing teeth |
| 16:01.27 | kd3 | http://www.wowpedia.org/Darkmoon_Rabbit |
| 16:02.19 | nevcairiel | thats a lot of effort just to get one pet |
| 16:02.27 | nevcairiel | i mean, one for a whole raid |
| 16:05.26 | pompy | kd3: its lvel 93 .. they have it in 5.0.4? |
| 16:05.37 | kd3 | it's live now afaik |
| 16:05.41 | kd3 | is nearly at its spawn spot |
| 16:06.33 | pompy | prolly resists like a mofo |
| 16:06.37 | pompy | and 42 mill hp |
| 16:06.50 | sacarasc | You'll probably see a million people and even more corpses. |
| 16:06.51 | Stanzilla | we're camping here for like 4 hours now |
| 16:07.04 | Stanzilla | but some horde raid on my server killed it this morning |
| 16:09.30 | mckenziemc | Stanzilla: try /camp |
| 16:12.10 | Industrial | durcyn: ping |
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| 16:18.36 | pompy | how the hell do i prevent this from popping up https://dl.dropbox.com/u/35894760/annoying.jpg |
| 16:19.47 | karl_w_w | disable flash player |
| 16:21.59 | Arrowmaster | oh hey pompy did you know about this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EWTp0Xfksg |
| 16:22.34 | pompy | karl_w_w: that'd prevent me from vieweing a lot .. |
| 16:23.09 | karl_w_w | yes it would. |
| 16:25.04 | pompy | Arrowmaster: nah, dont recall hearing about that in the news! .... weehawken is 2 hours from me |
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| 16:26.47 | Arrowmaster | it takes 2 hours to drive across jeresy? |
| 16:27.10 | karl_w_w | is that the spanish spelling of heresy? |
| 16:27.18 | pompy | 2.5 hours |
| 16:27.32 | pompy | theres 180 exits from north to south about |
| 16:28.10 | Vladinator | is there a literal creatureName:find(searchText) ? |
| 16:28.14 | Vladinator | str:find("") |
| 16:29.11 | pompy | Arrowmaster: http://goo.gl/maps/XEqke heh |
| 16:31.00 | Thunder_Child | thats not the border pompy |
| 16:31.24 | pompy | roughly yeah |
| 16:31.50 | Thunder_Child | 3 hours border to border |
| 16:32.37 | pompy | lol |
| 16:36.55 | Arrowmaster | Ackis: i hate you |
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| 16:40.01 | Sintacks | I used to really hate waking up with 5+ addon updates |
| 16:40.03 | Sintacks | now i don't mind |
| 16:41.33 | Vladinator | I have a question, I got a scroll frame, when I hide buttons inside the scroll keeps same size like before, how do I trigger the update of scrollbar? |
| 16:41.36 | karl_w_w | the more the merrier as far as I'm concerned |
| 16:43.07 | Sintacks | karl_w_w, yeah, but it took forever to update them. not it's one click and 10+ is done in the same time it took 3 before |
| 16:43.20 | Sintacks | though, curse client does freak out when you try to update 300 at once |
| 16:43.39 | Vladinator | ( nvm, HybridScrollFrame_Update(scrollFrame, totalHeight, scrollFrame:GetHeight()) ) |
| 16:47.07 | karl_w_w | Sintacks: so limit the simultaneous downloads |
| 16:47.42 | Vladinator | why does google remove igoogle, unless its in the way somehow? |
| 16:47.54 | Fisker | hey Arrowmaster |
| 16:47.57 | Fisker | i hate ackis too |
| 16:48.45 | Vladinator | Adys: Collie has a problem, if you put a invalid pattern as filter string it will fail :P |
| 16:49.15 | karl_w_w | border collie? |
| 16:49.27 | Sintacks | karl_w_w, where's teh fun in that |
| 16:50.11 | karl_w_w | the fun is gettin it dun |
| 16:50.23 | karl_w_w | und now for ze sleepink |
| 17:04.09 | pompy | http://kotaku.com/5939900/notch-is-showing-off-bethesdas-legal-threats |
| 17:06.09 | Neffi | Why did they take math.randomseed() out of WoW Lua? |
| 17:08.44 | nevcairiel | I think calling randomseed had some effect on the game itself, so they removed it and just seed it once |
| 17:09.54 | Neffi | Oh yes, /castrandom uses it |
| 17:10.25 | nevcairiel | since its just pseudo-random, you could in theory influence it by proper seeding |
| 17:10.43 | nevcairiel | guess someone figured out how to abuse it :p |
| 17:10.55 | alestane | Otherwise, it was possible for add-ons to seed the RNG with predetermined values to guarantee that a specific spell would be picked. |
| 17:14.47 | Fisker | so pompy |
| 17:15.12 | Fisker | got Borderlands 2 + Mechromancer DLC + 4 Campaign DLC for less than the actual price of the game? |
| 17:17.24 | F16Gaming | what did they rename Set/GetDungeonDifficulty to? |
| 17:20.27 | F16Gaming | !api Dungeon.*Difficulty |
| 17:20.27 | lua_bot | Found 2 possible results for 'Dungeon.*Difficulty': SetDungeonDifficultyID, GetDungeonDifficultyID |
| 17:20.35 | F16Gaming | ._o |
| 17:23.05 | Fisker | http://www.neowin.net/news/someones-selling-a-fake-microsoft-surface-tablet-runs-android <-a+ trolling |
| 17:23.20 | F16Gaming | !api Raid.*Difficulty |
| 17:23.20 | lua_bot | Found 3 possible results for 'Raid.*Difficulty': GetCurrentRaidDifficulty, GetRaidDifficulty, SetRaidDifficulty |
| 17:23.39 | F16Gaming | so for Dungeons it's DifficultyID, for raids it's just Difficulty |
| 17:23.41 | F16Gaming | i am confused |
| 17:23.51 | Fisker | why mad? |
| 17:23.59 | F16Gaming | they both use a numeric ID |
| 17:24.06 | F16Gaming | but only one of them has the ID suffix |
| 17:24.18 | F16Gaming | i fail to see the point of the rename |
| 17:26.07 | durcyn | GetInstanceDifficulty is more reliable, especially considering GetDungeonDifficulty doesn't even return correctly unless you're inside an instance anyway |
| 17:26.48 | F16Gaming | GetInstanceDifficulty returns the difficulty of the instance you are _currently_ in |
| 17:26.58 | F16Gaming | not the difficulty you have set by right clicking player portrait |
| 17:27.18 | durcyn | try GetDungeonDifficulty while outside, as of 5.0 |
| 17:27.31 | F16Gaming | GetDungeonDifficulty == nil |
| 17:27.52 | durcyn | it'll always return 1 while grouped but not in an instance |
| 17:27.58 | F16Gaming | they renamed it to GetDungeonDifficultyID |
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| 17:28.57 | Yoshimo | guess rabbit has to fix mobspells then |
| 17:29.33 | F16Gaming | GetDungeonDifficultyID() returned 2 while i was in group. which is correct (i had set difficulty to heroic) |
| 17:29.43 | F16Gaming | and i was not inside an instance |
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| 17:31.12 | Stanzilla | Fisker: mechromancer being the pre order dlc? |
| 17:31.22 | Neffi | It makes me wonder why Auctionator is using 50% of all addon CPU time |
| 17:31.36 | Neffi | When I haven't even tooltiped over an item or done a scan today |
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| 17:33.25 | Fisker | yes Stanzilla |
| 17:34.46 | Fisker | is youtube slower than Stanzilla's mental agility at the moment? |
| 17:37.06 | kagaro | most likely |
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| 17:40.07 | Fisker | hey nevcairiel |
| 17:40.09 | Fisker | wanna high five? |
| 17:48.03 | Vladinator | InFlight is probably a mess now with the guild perk LOL :D |
| 17:49.37 | Fisker | mad? |
| 17:49.44 | Arrowmaster | fuck the F1 race still isnt up on TPB but im hearing spoilers about some major incident at the start |
| 17:50.14 | Fisker | yeah snape was killed after being run off the track by dumbledore |
| 17:50.35 | zenzelezz | Arrowmaster: they release the races on TPB? |
| 17:50.48 | Arrowmaster | no somebody uploads them there |
| 17:50.55 | Fisker | no racism on tpb zenzelezz |
| 17:50.58 | zenzelezz | that's what I meant to say Archarodim |
| 17:51.01 | zenzelezz | ... Arrowmaster |
| 17:51.14 | Torhal | stuffs Fisker into a younger version of Alram. |
| 17:51.18 | zenzelezz | damnit, and I've kept watching the stupid 45-minute recaps |
| 17:52.15 | Vladinator | if Cairenn was here you both would be kicked ;D |
| 17:52.33 | Arrowmaster | zenzelezz: sky and bbc coverage are usually posted, bbc tends to be later since its not live for every race this season |
| 17:52.38 | Cairenn | Who says she isn't? |
| 17:52.47 | Arrowmaster | shes always here |
| 17:52.57 | Arrowmaster | just like dolby |
| 17:53.10 | Vladinator | The huge delay between the torrenting subject and the kick, made me think you are away. :P |
| 17:53.38 | Fisker | torrenting is fine |
| 17:53.39 | zenzelezz | while I don't set the rules for the channel, I believe torrents aren't a foreign subject |
| 17:53.40 | Torhal | Vladinator: Beware, ye who are new to the waters of IRC. |
| 17:53.43 | Arrowmaster | she doesnt care if we talk about torrenting in here, the only thing off limits is wow hacks/private servers |
| 17:53.44 | Torhal | You know nothing! |
| 17:53.49 | Vladinator | :D |
| 17:54.30 | Cairenn | I prefer illegal/sketchy/potentially sketchy things be discussed in abstract |
| 17:54.33 | Vladinator | talk about being selective on what is right ;D |
| 17:55.02 | Torhal | Vladinator: So long as, after visiting Vegas, you don't come in here talking about your "private server", we're cool. Dig? |
| 17:55.32 | Torhal | stops hazing for awhile. |
| 17:56.04 | Thunder_Child | I'll believe that when i dont see it |
| 17:56.11 | Arrowmaster | Vladinator: the reason hacks/private servers related to blizzard games is completely off limits is because the channel is run by wowi which is an offical fansite so they cant allow that |
| 17:56.22 | Fisker | I prefer getting all of my motorized soapbox derbys through my free video on demand service using a clever peer2peer protocol that allows rapid deployment of files |
| 17:56.33 | Fisker | is that abstract enough? |
| 17:56.40 | cbreak | torrenting? |
| 17:56.53 | Vladinator | what is blizzard rules on the subject of building a bomb, can I talk about that? :P |
| 17:56.55 | cbreak | Just last week I used Bit Torrent to download the new WOW patch |
| 17:57.13 | Torhal | Fisker: Only if you leave enough lemonade in the thermos which is contained within the shoebox atop your closet for someone to perchance have a sip. |
| 17:57.29 | Arrowmaster | its my only option really, they only broadcast 4 of the 20 races in my country each year |
| 17:57.52 | Vladinator | yes I am messing with you, just funny what is okay and not okay in the chat :D |
| 17:58.13 | F16Gaming | hm |
| 17:58.14 | F16Gaming | https://github.com/F16Gaming/KillTrack/blob/master/Broker.lua |
| 17:58.32 | F16Gaming | on updating the tooltip text, is that an accepted way to do it? |
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| 17:59.04 | Torhal | seta up mail-order bride for Arrowmaster, with Vladinator's forged signature on the pertinent paperwork. |
| 17:59.16 | Vladinator | :D |
| 17:59.20 | Torhal | The type-fail is strong with me today. |
| 17:59.41 | Vladinator | Torhal setta uppu mail order bride, yes. |
| 18:00.03 | bluspacecow | http://forums.toucharcade.com/showpost.php?s=6ef8cc97e42186bb5a709c4c80d8e1e2&p=2400000&postcount=475 |
| 18:00.12 | Torhal | smackka hella Vladinator uppity remarkka! |
| 18:00.14 | Archarodim | @Arrowmaster, the race is available on usenet (posted 35 minutes ago) |
| 18:00.37 | bluspacecow | *jumps in box for Torhal's mail order bride* |
| 18:00.38 | Fisker | ti4s;dr bluspacecow |
| 18:00.43 | Vladinator | No clue what usenet is, but hear about it a lot from news. Is it things I wish to get invovled in or? :P |
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| 18:00.51 | bluspacecow | ti4s ? |
| 18:00.59 | Fisker | too iphone 4s |
| 18:01.13 | bluspacecow | XD |
| 18:01.16 | Torhal | Damn, Arrowmaster - apparently your mail-order bride is a bluspacekiwi. |
| 18:01.53 | Arrowmaster | Archarodim: yeah my isp doesnt have usenet servers anymore |
| 18:01.57 | Torhal | sells Fisker a YouPhone O.G. |
| 18:02.01 | Arrowmaster | Torhal: fuck i didnt want a kiwi |
| 18:02.08 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: Blame bluspacecow |
| 18:02.23 | Arrowmaster | can i do a trade in? |
| 18:02.28 | Vladinator | Stanzilla: how dare you logout? |
| 18:02.42 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: Not sure. I'd say just gravel-pit dump that one and get another. |
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| 18:03.41 | Archarodim | Vladinator, usenet is the place where everything is released before being shared with torrents, it's one of the oldest means of communication using the internet: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet |
| 18:03.43 | Alram | gross Torhal |
| 18:03.59 | F16Gaming | Torhal: know anything about the packager status? got a few commits + tags i need to push. and wouldn't want it to mess it up even more :\ |
| 18:04.00 | Torhal | Alram: I figured you could get the shy out. |
| 18:04.14 | Torhal | F16Gaming: Unfortunately, no clue |
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| 18:04.26 | F16Gaming | i'll just manually upload then |
| 18:04.42 | Arrowmaster | Archarodim: sucks that most isps have shut down their usenet servers and paying for access is just about the only option now |
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| 18:05.55 | Arrowmaster | and there it is, race is up on TPB, although it says it was up 15 minutes ago but ive been refreshing like crazy |
| 18:06.31 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: Your refresh is no match for the "Fuck you!" cache. |
| 18:06.36 | Arrowmaster | zenzelezz: ^^^^ |
| 18:07.26 | Archarodim | fortunately my ISP still let me access some binary group on usenet, I'm not sure it'll last though but this ISP (which is name Free) doesn't like internet regulations so hopefully they won't shut usenet access down |
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| 18:07.58 | zenzelezz | Arrowmaster: pity I already watched today's :( But now I know for next race |
| 18:08.00 | Vladinator | usenet seems confusing |
| 18:08.07 | kd3 | seems? |
| 18:08.07 | Vladinator | and shady :P |
| 18:09.25 | Torhal | Is it sad that I used UseNet regularly five years before the World WIde Web existed? :/ |
| 18:09.57 | Archarodim | Vladinator, it's far less confusing with http://www.nzbclub.com and http://www.shemes.com/ |
| 18:10.27 | Torhal | Wow. Am I the only one who saw "shemales.com"? :) |
| 18:11.02 | nevcairiel | you're the only one into that sort of thing |
| 18:11.13 | Torhal | nevcairiel: Hah! |
| 18:11.33 | Arrowmaster | i used to get all my tv shows from usenet till my isp shut down the server |
| 18:12.20 | nevcairiel | i recently started using usenet more, there certainly are some decent index pages around |
| 18:12.31 | Arrowmaster | was always faster than anything else |
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| 18:39.25 | F16Gaming | eastern kingdoms went missing |
| 18:39.36 | F16Gaming | "Transfer aborted: Instance not found" |
| 18:42.44 | Stanzilla | Vladinator: I was afk! ( |
| 18:42.45 | kd3 | the world server crashed |
| 18:49.55 | bluspacecow | soz i eats it ! |
| 18:49.58 | bluspacecow | yum! |
| 18:50.10 | mckenziemc | induces vomiting. |
| 18:50.24 | Sintacks | deathwing came back and destroyed it. |
| 18:50.38 | F16Gaming | when i tried to exit BWD, the world disappeared again |
| 18:53.06 | F16Gaming | !api Raid.*Lock |
| 18:53.06 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'Raid.*Lock'. |
| 18:53.11 | F16Gaming | !api Lock.*Raid |
| 18:53.11 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'Lock.*Raid'. |
| 18:53.16 | F16Gaming | damnit, what was the name :d |
| 18:53.30 | F16Gaming | !api Instance.*Lock |
| 18:53.31 | lua_bot | Found 7 possible results for 'Instance.*Lock': INSTANCE_LOCK_WARNING, GetInstanceLockTimeRemaining, GetInstanceLockTimeRemainingEncounter, INSTANCE_LOCK_STOP, INSTANCE_LOCK_START, GameTooltip:SetInstanceLockEncountersComplete, RespondInstanceLock |
| 19:02.03 | kd3 | hm... maybe I'll be able to double-dip on darkmoon tokens this month |
| 19:02.17 | kd3 | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/6490559109#1 |
| 19:02.59 | nevcairiel | and i was wondering why i couldnt turn in some of those damn quest things |
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| 19:36.00 | Fisker | reported for exploiting kd3 |
| 19:39.03 | Fisker | deleting the evidence eh? |
| 19:40.03 | Sintacks | deletes Fisker |
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| 19:41.51 | Torhal | formats Sintacks and installs Fisker 2.0 |
| 19:43.31 | Humbedooh | I hear Fisker 2.0 is filled with trojans |
| 19:43.38 | Fisker | nope |
| 19:43.46 | Sintacks | at least it can't multiply with torjans |
| 19:44.03 | Sintacks | trojans too |
| 19:44.17 | End_ | Fisker 2.0 is actually filled with horses |
| 19:44.29 | End_ | Fisker is the actual trojan |
| 19:50.35 | Industrial | So I bought the expo in digital presale. I have some addons (e.g. Bartender4 and OneBag4 with toc 5000x) that aren't loading in my 4.x client. Can I ugrade my client to 5 already or something? |
| 19:51.09 | mckenziemc | what |
| 19:51.17 | End_ | wait, what region are you? |
| 19:51.19 | mckenziemc | patch 5.0.4 already happened |
| 19:51.23 | End_ | ^ |
| 19:51.25 | Industrial | oh :P |
| 19:51.40 | Industrial | so, then, why am I seeing those addons in the login screen as loaded but not ingame. |
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| 19:52.18 | End_ | I dunno, but make sure Display Lua Errors is enabled |
| 19:55.55 | Industrial | login: http://i.imgur.com/Pr6CL.jpg ingame: http://i.imgur.com/ux7sK.jpg |
| 19:56.36 | End_ | Bartender4 doesn't add a entry to the options frame |
| 19:56.40 | mckenziemc | addons don't automatically show up in ingame list |
| 19:57.01 | End_ | you can tell bartender4 is working because the little arrows and number on your actionbar went away |
| 19:57.20 | mckenziemc | and the bag is out of place! xD |
| 19:57.24 | End_ | that too! |
| 19:57.46 | End_ | anyway, /bt4 opens its own options frame |
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| 19:58.55 | End_ | dunno about onebag4 but I'd assume something similar |
| 19:59.13 | End_ | (actually...it's pretty new so I don't even know if it has options yet) |
| 20:02.33 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/NWfQw.jpg i don't think the continent offsets mean what i thought they did |
| 20:02.50 | Industrial | Alright. Thanks. :) |
| 20:03.46 | zenzelezz | Semlar: you've just created a map of Azeroth a few billion years ago; before the continental shelves started separating |
| 20:03.57 | Semlar | it's the supercontinent of azeroth |
| 20:05.07 | ccox | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:05.19 | Semlar | trying to render this drops my frame rate down to to about 5fps |
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| 20:07.24 | Semlar | although that might have to do with trying to calculate the alpha of all of those layers together |
| 20:14.16 | Neffi | Semlar: It might be a micro-optimization, but if you're doing a lot of function calls, try this: |
| 20:14.46 | Neffi | local api = getmetatable(sometextureobject).__index; local SetTexture = api.SetTexture; <-- cached for speedup |
| 20:14.58 | Neffi | Then just use SetTexture(textureObj, texture) |
| 20:15.09 | Neffi | Might shave off a little bit |
| 20:15.20 | Semlar | that might help but just having the textures sitting there on screen slows it down |
| 20:15.41 | Neffi | I assume you do a lot of ClearPoints, SetPoint? |
| 20:15.46 | Neffi | Or are you depending on C to do all of it? |
| 20:15.59 | Semlar | i only set the points once |
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| 20:16.41 | Semlar | the whole map is being rendered on a movable frame |
| 20:16.53 | Neffi | The C code must be crying |
| 20:17.00 | Semlar | it probably is |
| 20:17.09 | Semlar | there are literally thousands of textures |
| 20:17.21 | Neffi | I wouldn't be surprised if that were an understatement |
| 20:17.35 | Neffi | They are very small individual textures, I know that |
| 20:17.53 | Semlar | i should count them |
| 20:18.08 | Neffi | Shouldn't be hard to iterate over them |
| 20:18.23 | Neffi | Anyway why not hide the satellite textures until you're zoomed in enough? |
| 20:18.29 | Neffi | Use just the map for zoomed-out shuit |
| 20:18.48 | Semlar | that's probably what i'm going to do |
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| 21:22.55 | Neffi | Is GetTime() being terrible for anyone else? |
| 21:23.29 | Ackis | what I said here is accurate, albeit simple: http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/fishingbuddy/tickets/168-fishing-buddy-blocks-glyphs/?comment=3 |
| 21:23.38 | Neffi | Sometimes it's saying only .05 sec passed when elapsed says .12 sec passed |
| 21:25.32 | zenzelezz | how is GetTime saying .05, and what is "elapsed"? |
| 21:26.06 | Thunder_Child | elapsed means duration since x |
| 21:26.10 | Thunder_Child | XD |
| 21:26.31 | zenzelezz | :) |
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| 21:32.46 | Neffi | 2nd arg to OnUpdate |
| 21:32.53 | Neffi | time elapsed since last OnUpdate |
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| 21:33.49 | zenzelezz | if you're checking between frames, could it just be GetTime's resolution or update frequency? (Did it behave differently before this patch?) |
| 21:33.59 | kd3|netbook | heh, oops |
| 21:34.04 | kd3|netbook | looks for some thermal pate |
| 21:34.07 | kd3|netbook | paste* |
| 21:35.23 | tardmrr | once upon a time, we came to an agreement on a list of categories to use in the X-Category field of the toc |
| 21:35.34 | Neffi | Since 4.-something GetTime only updates every screen frame. But that should make it identical to OnUpdate's elapsed. |
| 21:35.38 | tardmrr | does anyone remember where that list is? |
| 21:37.37 | nevcairiel | http://old.wowace.com/wiki/Ace2_Categories |
| 21:37.38 | zenzelezz | where does X-Category get used? |
| 21:37.42 | nevcairiel | not like anything uses it |
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| 21:45.21 | Arrowmaster | 3.5 hours and ive finally just gotten 40% of this torrent |
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| 21:51.51 | tardmrr | nevcairiel, that's it, thanks |
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| 22:17.45 | Vladinator | Neffi: |
| 22:18.11 | Neffi | Vladinator: |
| 22:19.00 | Vladinator | curious about what metatable __index means, I know if it's a table you can t[asd] and it will pass asd in the function __index as you define, but.. |
| 22:19.14 | Vladinator | how else does it work? what else can you do? :P |
| 22:20.47 | Vladinator | like string class is so you can ("test"):funcName() and do things to it, can you expand upon API for all Frame objects, Button objects, e.g. with new functions? |
| 22:21.58 | End_ | that sounds like a good way to spread taint everywhere |
| 22:23.24 | Vladinator | taint is something everyone should have |
| 22:23.33 | Vladinator | also can I narrow taint to my addon only? :P |
| 22:23.45 | Vladinator | like if I wanna make all my own frames have a specific extra function trough metatable |
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| 22:24.04 | End_ | you could replace the metatable for just your own frames I suppose |
| 22:24.23 | End_ | but you do not want to modify the base metatable (assuming it even lets you) |
| 22:24.24 | Vladinator | Jaliborc wants to interview me about my Sayge addon, kind of embarrased lol. |
| 22:24.34 | Vladinator | I see. |
| 22:24.51 | Vladinator | do you know if Jaliborc hangs around here? |
| 22:24.56 | Vladinator | ~seen Jaliborc |
| 22:25.01 | purl | jaliborc <~Jaliborc@pa3-84-91-130-207.netvisao.pt> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 125d 55m 18s ago, saying: 'http://img.izismile.com/img/img3/20100316/moar_23.jpg'. |
| 22:25.07 | Vladinator | maybe not :P |
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| 22:33.13 | Neffi | Vladinator: Say you grab getmetatable(UIParent).__index |
| 22:33.20 | Vladinator | yes |
| 22:33.34 | Neffi | well, t = getmetatable(UIParent).__index |
| 22:33.53 | Neffi | t.SetParent == UIParent.SetParent |
| 22:34.00 | Neffi | But you can do local SetParent=t.SetParent |
| 22:34.13 | Neffi | So you're doing what people do with local pairs=pairs (for instance) |
| 22:34.40 | Neffi | But you're not only skipping a global access. You're skipping a table index, a metatable lookup, and another table index |
| 22:35.11 | Neffi | So (your local) SetParent(UIParent,someframe) will be faster than UIParent:SetParent(someframe) |
| 22:35.30 | Neffi | No taint because you're only getting the value, not setting it |
| 22:35.45 | Neffi | Don't overuse it. The gain is neglible and it's ugly. But sometime's it's nice. |
| 22:36.24 | Neffi | Eg I use OnUpdate on nameplates to manually reposition them (while, my own overlay) against a math.floor()'d value so it's always pixel-perfect. |
| 22:36.46 | Neffi | With 100 nameplates on the screen at 100 FPS, that's 10000 calls to :ClearAllPoints then :SetPoint per second |
| 22:37.09 | Neffi | So I use this metatable-caching mechanism to shave off some of the impact |
| 22:37.54 | Neffi | It's not a huge gain, but if you're doing tens of thousands of calls a second it might make a little difference |
| 22:38.47 | Neffi | Which is why I recommended it to Semlar. I thought he was manually repositioning everything in Lua. He probably had 10000 textures alone. Positioning that in realtime could be 100000 instances of ClearPoints/SetPoint per sec |
| 22:39.11 | Neffi | at 10 fps. at 100 fps that would be 1 mil instances |
| 22:39.52 | Neffi | assuming he has 10k textures. since he's drawing the whole world with minimap tiles, i'd bet it might even be more. But I was wrong, because he wasn't positioning them manually anyway. |
| 22:41.17 | Neffi | Understand what I meant? |
| 22:41.53 | foxlit | Hulking phasebeasts. Hulking Phasebeasts everywhere. |
| 22:42.01 | foxlit | To add insult to injury, they have the Teleporter affix. |
| 22:42.07 | nevcairiel | And you love it! |
| 22:42.25 | nevcairiel | wonder if they make those with firechains |
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| 22:44.39 | Vladinator | Neffi: I understand. |
| 22:46.40 | Vladinator | btw, no one knows jaliborc? :( |
| 22:46.45 | Vladinator | he is from curse, maybe torhal does |
| 22:47.08 | mckenziemc | assassinates Torhal. |
| 22:48.03 | karl_w_w | that's what I like about you mckenziemc |
| 22:48.10 | karl_w_w | always willing to contribute |
| 22:49.40 | Vladinator | :P |
| 22:54.41 | F16Gaming | wowhead moderators are such nice guys |
| 22:54.52 | F16Gaming | delets comment and doesn't give any kind of reason as to why :/ |
| 22:54.59 | F16Gaming | s/delets/deletes/ |
| 23:03.53 | mckenziemc | darwin award nominee: "A teenager headed to a sweet 16 party was killed after he stuck his head out of the emergency hatch of a double-decker bus and hit the underside of a highway overpass, authorities said." |
| 23:05.53 | karl_w_w | F16Gaming: users delete comments not moderators |
| 23:06.22 | F16Gaming | "Deleted by sas148 yesterday" |
| 23:06.53 | karl_w_w | hmm, must have been a pretty bad comment for a mod to bother :P |
| 23:07.05 | F16Gaming | http://www.wowhead.com/npc=15116#comments:id=1707684 |
| 23:07.41 | F16Gaming | identical comment on quest page still there, as well as leobolin's comment with 7 upvotes |
| 23:08.40 | karl_w_w | i dont see the deleted comment |
| 23:08.55 | karl_w_w | or this leobolin's comment |
| 23:08.55 | F16Gaming | oh, i think you need a certain rep lvl to see deleted comments |
| 23:09.08 | F16Gaming | leo's comment was on the quest page: http://www.wowhead.com/quest=8228#comments:id=1707473 |
| 23:09.34 | F16Gaming | karl_w_w: http://i.imgur.com/RwPxl.png |
| 23:09.56 | karl_w_w | 11,338 rep is enough :P |
| 23:10.27 | karl_w_w | yeah that is a useless comment |
| 23:10.40 | F16Gaming | it is now, but that should make it outdated |
| 23:10.41 | karl_w_w | NPCs aren't quests |
| 23:10.48 | F16Gaming | well Grinkle offers the quest |
| 23:10.52 | karl_w_w | so? |
| 23:11.10 | karl_w_w | the comment goes on the quest page, because it is a comment about the quest |
| 23:15.22 | Vladinator | what is more performance saving |
| 23:16.05 | Vladinator | a "if-else outside the for-loop", "inside the for-loop", or on each line inside "t[x] = a and X or Y" ? |
| 23:16.08 | F16Gaming | karl_w_w: so what about this comment: http://www.wowhead.com/quest=12948#comments:id=469357 |
| 23:16.15 | F16Gaming | i don't see it talking about the quest anywhere :o |
| 23:17.05 | Shadowed | Write whichever is cleanest |
| 23:17.06 | Shadowed | and stop worrying |
| 23:17.10 | Vladinator | ok |
| 23:17.10 | Vladinator | :P |
| 23:18.07 | Vladinator | OnTradeItems[link] = (OnTradeItems[link] or 0) + (substract and -count or count) |
| 23:18.11 | Vladinator | inside the loop :P |
| 23:21.07 | Semlar | outside the loop is more efficient and makes more sense than repeatedly checking the same thing inside the loop |
| 23:22.14 | F16Gaming | karl_w_w: read through said comment multiple times and still can't see how it is directly related to the quest ._o |
| 23:24.31 | mikma | http://imgur.com/gallery/6qLjt |
| 23:24.36 | karl_w_w | I don't see how that relates :P |
| 23:25.02 | F16Gaming | karl_w_w: yet it's not deleted and has 38 upvotes :/ |
| 23:25.47 | BabyQuackers | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:26.09 | BabyQuackers | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:27.02 | karl_w_w | F16Gaming: so report it if you like |
| 23:27.13 | karl_w_w | or don't bother because I already did, but whatever :P |
| 23:27.20 | F16Gaming | marked it out of date for what it's worth |
| 23:27.56 | F16Gaming | i'm off anyway, sleep time |
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| 23:34.11 | A-KO | http://www.break.com/index/this-kid-is-better-at-piano-than-youll-ever-be-2364076 < Holy doodoo |
| 23:37.50 | Thunder_Child | there is an audio dysync though |
| 23:55.19 | Gnarfoz | is that a new Dyson product? |
| 23:55.51 | Vladinator | trading system could be easier to read trough events, lol |
| 23:56.03 | Vladinator | glhf making a system that reads how much gold and items were traded from/to you :P |
| 23:59.21 | Vladinator | anyone got the latest DBC files? |
| 23:59.28 | Vladinator | I am still a noob and can't extract the latest :( |
| 23:59.38 | Semlar | they're inside the mpq files of your game |
| 23:59.46 | Semlar | get mpqeditor and extract them |
| 23:59.57 | Vladinator | not that simple, with patches and such :P |
