| 00:00.03 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: It may come to that. |
| 00:00.08 | Sintacks | so Ackis is the one that changed my origin password then |
| 00:00.21 | Sintacks | deletes Ackis' addon(s) |
| 00:00.21 | Arrowmaster | Torhal: i would add to the end that this is the final notice you are giving them, any more attempts to stall will result in legal action |
| 00:00.30 | Sintacks | ^ |
| 00:00.46 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: They're telling me they want to remove them, but keep asking if I'm the ONLY and ORIGINAL author. |
| 00:01.05 | Torhal | Weirdos. |
| 00:01.37 | Sintacks | they're trying to get into a legal loophole where if you say you aren't, they are going to say every single person who has ever worked on it, has to say it needs to be removed |
| 00:01.45 | Unkle | They're stalling. Every day/hour your stuff is up, they get ad/pageviews - and I'm assuming they're getting paid for those. They also suffer from the misapprehension that they've "done nothing wrong" when in fct they have. |
| 00:02.04 | Cairenn | batrick: thanks |
| 00:02.21 | *** join/#wowuidev Arrowmaster` (~arrow@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/ResponsibleForEverythingAndNothing/Arrowmaster) |
| 00:02.37 | Arrowmaster` | Torhal: so they wont remove them if theres more than one author? |
| 00:02.40 | Cairenn | He doesn't need to be the Only, or the Original |
| 00:02.44 | Arrowmaster` | exactly |
| 00:02.47 | Arrowmaster` | FUCK SUE THEM ALREADY |
| 00:03.03 | Torhal | Arrowmaster`: He hasn't outright said that yet, but he has asked twice now |
| 00:03.06 | Cairenn | Yeah |
| 00:03.18 | Amarande | Yeah, IANAL, but I seem to remember that derivative works are owned jointly, in a fashion that requires *all* of the joint owners to unanimously grant permission for any non-"fair" use or distribution |
| 00:03.32 | Amarande | It's the reason many authors refuse to read fanfiction, apparently |
| 00:03.52 | Cairenn | this is all just so much bullshit |
| 00:04.22 | Cairenn | and yes, they are going to drag it out for every last second they can, that's bloody apparent at this point |
| 00:04.36 | Cairenn | ad revenues |
| 00:04.40 | Arrowmaster | just sue already, its fucking impossible to lose |
| 00:04.54 | Amarande | Yeah, if for no other reason at this point than that, well, lawyers cost money :P |
| 00:04.54 | Sintacks | Cairenn, i know that he dosen't have to be the Only or Original, but WoA is being run by someone with an eighth of a brain, and when you don't have much brain, you think stupidly, which they have already proven, and that sounds like a logical step of what they are doing (trying to say they need a notice from anyone and everyone who ahs worked on a project to remove it) |
| 00:05.02 | Dagmar | When you sue needlessly, the lawyers win |
| 00:05.11 | Ressy | Kaelten mentioned possibly getting Curse lawyers involved |
| 00:05.26 | Arrowmaster | and Kaelten hasnt been heard from since |
| 00:05.27 | Ressy | WoA knows what they're doing |
| 00:05.30 | Ressy | They're smart bastards |
| 00:05.36 | Ressy | Canadian host means no DMCA. |
| 00:05.40 | Cairenn | Kaelten is on vacation |
| 00:05.41 | Jammer | if one addon causes taint it can effect other addons too, right? |
| 00:05.43 | Arrowmaster | i can only hope that means hes been told to stay quite while the lawyers work |
| 00:05.44 | Cairenn | Ressy: no, it doesn't |
| 00:05.52 | Arrowmaster | oh yeah i forgot about that |
| 00:05.53 | Cairenn | it doesn't mean that at all |
| 00:05.53 | Sintacks | Someone get a probono laywer and go all class action on their ass |
| 00:06.05 | Ressy | Convoke will notice & notice. |
| 00:06.06 | Ressy | thas it. |
| 00:06.09 | Ressy | I called them today |
| 00:06.15 | Sintacks | how many addon authors is that. lul |
| 00:06.25 | Ressy | But unless they receive a court order, they're not gonna touch the site. |
| 00:06.25 | Dagmar | Hosting outside the US just means the US can't readily sieze the servers (unless movies are involved) |
| 00:06.32 | Amarande | Heh, of course WOA are going to drag it out to the last second now. Either (so they think :P) they'll win (not) and thus get to reap that extra ad revenue |
| 00:06.39 | Dagmar | If the person running the show is a US citizen, DMCA still likely applies just fine |
| 00:06.50 | Amarande | Or they're going to lose hard and will need all the ad money they can get their grubby paws on to pay their lawyers and the judgment :P |
| 00:06.51 | Ressy | Can you guys send DMCA notices to the head office in Texas? |
| 00:06.58 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: the parrent company is incorperated in texas |
| 00:07.01 | Sintacks | the company is US, that's what matters |
| 00:07.15 | Dagmar | That'll work as far as I know |
| 00:07.19 | Cairenn | Canada is a signatory of the Berne Convention, hence our government and legal system will honor a DMCA |
| 00:07.47 | Torhal | Cairenn: Not according to what Ressy got from Convoke. |
| 00:07.51 | Arrowmaster | if you sue i doubt it would ever reach a judge, their lawyers will tell them to just fucking settle it because they cant win |
| 00:07.54 | Sintacks | goes to /b/ and gives them a new target to take offline |
| 00:07.55 | Ressy | Convoke specifically told me they'll pass on a DMCA, but they won't remove content by force. Its up to Convoke to remove, if they want to. If they don't, its up to you guys to sue. |
| 00:07.58 | Sintacks | is kidding |
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| 00:08.21 | Cairenn | Oh, it may have to be taken to court, but they will eventually honour it |
| 00:08.27 | Dagmar | They said your dad can not so beat up their dad! |
| 00:08.34 | Ressy | They said only option may be suing |
| 00:08.43 | Ressy | As did Tamir from Cippic |
| 00:10.05 | Ressy | if the head company ignores a DMCA to its texas hq anyways |
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| 00:10.21 | Arrowmaster | do they have a hq in texas? |
| 00:10.33 | Ressy | http://whois.domaintools.com/tentonhammer.com |
| 00:10.44 | Arrowmaster | being incorperated in texas doesnt mean they have to have a location in texas |
| 00:11.04 | Ressy | Admin contact is there... |
| 00:11.10 | Ressy | worth a try? |
| 00:11.41 | Ressy | making sure to say that WoA is owned by TTH |
| 00:11.59 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 00:12.20 | Amarande | I'm surprised Curse hasn't yanked PlayerScore from their site yet |
| 00:12.38 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: thats because they took away my moderator access |
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| 00:12.45 | Amarande | You'd think the punishment would BEGIN by having any and all of their addons blacklisted from legitimate addon sites |
| 00:12.47 | Iiris_Frost | Hey |
| 00:12.58 | Primer | Wouldn't that be us sinking to their level? |
| 00:13.10 | Cairenn | hi |
| 00:13.15 | Arrowmaster | Primer: you dont know the hell i put that asshole through in the past |
| 00:13.17 | TC-Work | you would never stop sinking then |
| 00:13.25 | Amarande | Primer: it would simply be a further statement of "Master Games International are no longer welcome in the WoW community" |
| 00:13.27 | Primer | Arrowmaster: I've read some bits here and there |
| 00:13.33 | Iiris_Frost | Could someone please link me to the WoW UI files install? i can't find it |
| 00:13.43 | Arrowmaster | i would suspend gearscore for the tiniest of infractions |
| 00:13.49 | Arrowmaster | ~framexml |
| 00:13.50 | purl | rumour has it, framexml is Blizzard's UI for WoW. Export code/art from the client by using the wow.exe -console commands "ExportInterfaceFiles code" and "ExportInterfaceFiles art" (must be used on login screen); or view it online at http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source , http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser or http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml |
| 00:13.51 | Primer | Arrowmaster: mostly the code obfuscation parts |
| 00:14.19 | Arrowmaster | Iiris_Frost: links in that line from purl |
| 00:14.38 | Arrowmaster | Primer: that and everytime he tried to mess with gearscorebreaker |
| 00:14.52 | Iiris_Frost | I'm talking about the one from blizzard |
| 00:15.14 | Iiris_Frost | that installed xml, lua, and images into your wow folder |
| 00:15.15 | kd3 | the blizz-provided one is hellaciously out of date. get it from the client yourself |
| 00:15.40 | Arrowmaster | the instructions to get them from the client are in that same reply |
| 00:15.42 | Iiris_Frost | I can't extract the images or convert them to photoshop |
| 00:15.53 | Unkle | They no longer provide an extraction utility - there are instructions for dumping them using the client. |
| 00:15.54 | kd3 | google "blp converter" |
| 00:16.15 | Iiris_Frost | I just need the icons for the equipment panel and bag slots |
| 00:16.56 | Arrowmaster | http://wowprogramming.com/utils/artbrowser/Interface |
| 00:17.58 | Iiris_Frost | not there, just looked under the character frame. no icons |
| 00:20.18 | Arrowmaster | Torhal: they copies 40 of your addons correct? |
| 00:20.20 | kd3 | the equipment panel... I assume you mean the paper dol? |
| 00:20.23 | kd3 | doll* |
| 00:20.40 | kd3 | the bag icons are in the main menu bar |
| 00:20.49 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: I honestly don't know how much of my stuff they have. I just searched for "torhal" and "callahan". |
| 00:20.53 | Iiris_Frost | not in the icons folder either |
| 00:21.10 | Torhal | I was merely illustrating to him how fucking retarded he was being. |
| 00:21.44 | Arrowmaster | Torhal: doing a minor bit of math from a riaa case, the max penalty is $150,000 per infringement, have fun |
| 00:21.51 | Torhal | lol |
| 00:22.14 | Arrowmaster | you can become a millionaire fucking do it |
| 00:23.36 | Iiris_Frost | grrr |
| 00:23.45 | Iiris_Frost | can't find the images i need |
| 00:23.50 | Adys | Arrowmaster: no, if you do the math riaa style, you also have to sue every single user who downloaded addons from there |
| 00:23.55 | Iiris_Frost | not in icons or character frame |
| 00:23.58 | Torhal | Adys: Ahahahahaa |
| 00:24.00 | Adys | you can become a trilliobillionaire |
| 00:24.01 | kd3 | I told you where they are |
| 00:24.02 | Adys | fucking do it. |
| 00:24.08 | kd3 | the "paper doll" and the "main menu bar" |
| 00:24.22 | Iiris_Frost | not in the main menu bar folder either |
| 00:24.30 | kd3 | the bag icons should be... |
| 00:24.51 | Arrowmaster | Adys: actually to do it riaa style i would request server logs and have 1 infringement for each addon they uploaded and 1 infringement for every time an addon was downloaded |
| 00:25.03 | Adys | Torhal: RIAA: "There's an infinite amount of numbers. Someone has to make use of them." |
| 00:25.09 | Dagmar | heh |
| 00:25.11 | Torhal | heh |
| 00:25.16 | Adys | heh |
| 00:25.31 | Adys | (right?) |
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| 00:31.46 | Amarande | Adys: well, you are talking about the RIAA, who are apparently currently engaged in suing the remnants of Limewire for roughly ... hmm ... probably about twice as much money as exists on the entire planet :P |
| 00:32.16 | Adys | Im aware yes |
| 00:33.22 | Adys | although, as long as you're talking about "existing" money, there are worse offenders than the RIAA in the US |
| 00:34.39 | Torhal | What is this…I don't even... |
| 00:34.41 | Torhal | http://o7.no/QKLBQa |
| 00:36.14 | Cairenn | o.O |
| 00:37.13 | Unkle | CRAZY PILLS |
| 00:37.50 | kd3 | uh wha? |
| 00:38.11 | Ressy | ask that they be removed? He can't do it himself? |
| 00:38.33 | Kaylin | Had they not stolen people's work wouldn't it have been a much less painful process for everyone? |
| 00:38.40 | Kaylin | Or am I just crazy here? |
| 00:38.41 | Ressy | yeah really |
| 00:38.56 | Ressy | pricks.. geez |
| 00:38.57 | Vladinator | irc been lame the last days with the tentonhammer issue -_- |
| 00:39.30 | Ackis | God damnit Ressy respond to my trolling in WoW |
| 00:39.35 | Adys | ugh |
| 00:40.06 | Ressy | >.< |
| 00:40.06 | Adys | cuusoo.com is doing proper oauth integration, not forcing a password, using proper permissions and such |
| 00:40.13 | Adys | and it gets a bunch of bad press because of it :/ |
| 00:40.45 | mckenziemc | ? |
| 00:41.00 | Adys | mckenziemc: http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/ydwpv/please_vote_for_a_new_lego_set_of_the_curiosity/c5uu6w5?context=3 |
| 00:41.11 | Adys | theres a bunch of posts whining about the optional facebook/twitter integration |
| 00:41.34 | Ressy | Is there any way I can merge an old wowace account into my curse account? |
| 00:57.59 | Torhal | Ressy: Answer is likely no, but... |
| 00:58.00 | Torhal | prencher: ^ |
| 00:58.41 | A-KO | http://www.speedtest.net/result/2125906889.png < MY INTERNETS IS FIXED |
| 00:58.42 | A-KO | :D |
| 00:58.45 | mckenziemc | ~8ball |
| 00:58.45 | purl | ACTION rolls the eight ball and gets: Outlook not so good |
| 00:58.53 | Ressy | lol |
| 00:58.56 | Ressy | k :) |
| 00:58.58 | kd3 | narrows his eyes |
| 00:58.59 | Amarande | purl: that's been known about Outlook ever since it came out. :) |
| 00:59.23 | Ressy | A-KO, i think half the room despises you now.. |
| 00:59.41 | Ressy | Kd3 especially tho, since he's like Shae.. Using tin cans attached with string for his internet. |
| 00:59.42 | Ressy | >.> |
| 00:59.58 | Kaylin | that's about 10x better than what I have from comcast =/ |
| 01:00.03 | Kaylin | http://www.speedtest.net/result/2125922545.png |
| 01:00.03 | Kaylin | http://www.pingtest.net/result/68173021.png |
| 01:00.22 | kd3 | the driver I'm using is broken, which is quite annoying |
| 01:00.37 | Ressy | Kaylin - I'd take that, simply because of the upstream.. I'm on 28/1 |
| 01:00.48 | Kaylin | but what I have from comcast is about 10x better than what I have at school, AND that line has ~50% packet loss at peak hours which nobody will fix, so they can diaf. |
| 01:00.49 | kd3 | is waiting for the new wireless card he ordered to ship |
| 01:01.36 | Arrowmaster | A-KO: HOW THE FUCK DO YOU GET THAT IN AMERICA |
| 01:02.13 | kd3 | http://www.speedtest.net/result/2125928440.png |
| 01:02.25 | Ressy | winces |
| 01:02.29 | Kaylin | that's harsh =/ |
| 01:03.41 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: Business class. |
| 01:03.55 | Torhal | http://www.speedtest.net/result/2125929906.png |
| 01:04.09 | Torhal | That's mine. Supposed to be 50Mb, but I'm also on WiFi |
| 01:04.19 | A-KO | no |
| 01:04.21 | A-KO | not business class |
| 01:04.24 | A-KO | it's the Extreme 105 tier |
| 01:04.26 | A-KO | residential :D |
| 01:04.33 | Torhal | A-KO: Hawtness. |
| 01:04.41 | A-KO | also |
| 01:04.43 | A-KO | full IPv6 native |
| 01:04.49 | A-KO | Comcast has really stepped up their game |
| 01:04.55 | A-KO | they also removed the 250GB cap |
| 01:05.02 | Torhal | A-KO: I'm on Comcast…where the FUCK are you? :P |
| 01:05.05 | A-KO | Baltimore |
| 01:05.13 | Arrowmaster | http://www.speedtest.net/result/2125931268.png |
| 01:05.14 | Torhal | Huntsville, here. |
| 01:05.19 | mckenziemc | http://www.speedtest.net/result/2125931467.png |
| 01:05.20 | Kaylin | is also using Comcast |
| 01:05.26 | mckenziemc | it's better than dialup so i'm happy :D |
| 01:05.29 | A-KO | Torhal|work: which modem? |
| 01:05.43 | Torhal | A-KO: No idea. Lemme run downstairs and look. |
| 01:05.55 | Vladinator | look what I made for myself, a rss feed for all my addons on curse/wowace, tracks comments and tickets :D http://vlacula.no-ip.com/curserss/index.php?username=Torhal |
| 01:06.15 | A-KO | 100Mbps internet is fucking leetsauce |
| 01:06.49 | Torhal | A-KO: Arris WBM760 |
| 01:07.06 | Arrowmaster | got a monthly cap? |
| 01:07.20 | A-KO | nope, no monthly cap |
| 01:07.26 | A-KO | not anymore |
| 01:07.27 | A-KO | they removed it |
| 01:08.01 | A-KO | Torhal: Looks like a docsis 3 modem. You might have to upgrade your tier from the Blast tier. What are you on right now? |
| 01:08.13 | A-KO | the 50 -> 100 upgrade is in the northeast only right now |
| 01:08.14 | Kaylin | my mind is now wandering to pornstars in cable guy outfits installing high speed modems with exasperated women being ignored and it's hilarious. |
| 01:08.25 | *** join/#wowuidev arton (~arton@63.142.161.8) |
| 01:08.39 | Torhal | A-KO: Hell if I know. I just called them last year and said "I want the fastest residential you have" |
| 01:08.46 | A-KO | lol |
| 01:09.02 | A-KO | Torhal: http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Heres-Comcasts-Coming-Speed-Pricing-Lineup-120780 |
| 01:09.12 | Torhal | A-KO: Also - http://o7.no/QKQaKd |
| 01:09.22 | Arrowmaster | i can upgrade my roadrunner more but i would need a new modem |
| 01:09.53 | Torhal | A-KO: I'm paying $117/month for mine. Fuckers. |
| 01:10.24 | A-KO | Torhal: where's the meter at on their page? |
| 01:10.26 | A-KO | any idea? |
| 01:10.38 | Torhal | Users & Settings |
| 01:11.57 | A-KO | I'm only using 50GB, and yeah, suspended...lol |
| 01:12.16 | Ressy | 50GB? |
| 01:12.33 | A-KO | I've only used 50GB this month |
| 01:12.36 | A-KO | I've been slacking |
| 01:12.36 | Ressy | .... |
| 01:12.39 | A-KO | that will change tomorrow |
| 01:12.43 | A-KO | when I donwload 30GB of Windows Updates |
| 01:12.46 | A-KO | :D |
| 01:13.17 | kd3 | only 50gb? wow, I'm up to ~75gb so far |
| 01:13.40 | A-KO | it's been a slow month |
| 01:13.43 | A-KO | and I'm starting to run out of HDD space |
| 01:13.44 | A-KO | :( |
| 01:13.49 | A-KO | I need to add some drives |
| 01:13.50 | Torhal | 229 here, but I have a 12-year-old son and a GF who just installed everything fresh on her machine. |
| 01:13.54 | Kaylin | at some point awhile ago wasn't it faster to download all the standalones and put them on the network? 75gb of windows updates is how many machines o.O |
| 01:13.55 | Arrowmaster | desktop is down, im barely using anything this month, only 80gb so far |
| 01:14.15 | A-KO | Kaylin: I'm building a wsus server at home to do my export/import at work |
| 01:14.29 | A-KO | because it's slow as donkey doodoo at work |
| 01:14.30 | Ressy | https://dl.dropbox.com/u/9038867/Usage.png |
| 01:14.32 | A-KO | I have 6Mbps internet at work |
| 01:14.35 | A-KO | and 100 at home now |
| 01:14.41 | A-KO | 6Mbps shared across 200+ employees |
| 01:14.48 | Kaylin | ow |
| 01:14.49 | A-KO | and 100 to myself at home |
| 01:14.49 | kd3 | >.< |
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| 01:17.32 | Ressy | most of my usage is netflix from my psycho toddler |
| 01:18.04 | arton | Privatize the Government now. Deregulate tyranny. Genius. |
| 01:20.40 | Ackis | what is this guy smoking: http://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/y8usy/new_addon_hosting_site_steals_authors_work/c5tk5jt |
| 01:24.45 | Cairenn | lol, I like your response blu |
| 01:30.30 | Kaylin | http://imgur.com/gallery/Rr3co @ Ackis |
| 01:30.46 | Cairenn | wow, looks like maybe they took down 5 addons |
| 01:30.51 | Cairenn | maybe even 10 |
| 01:31.55 | Ackis | lol |
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| 01:53.33 | nailertn | API GetTime - Patch 4.3.0: Now only updates once every OnUpdate |
| 01:53.45 | nailertn | Is there another way to get millisecond precision for code profiling? |
| 01:53.59 | Iriel | yes, there's a profile timer |
| 01:54.23 | Iriel | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/debugprofilestart |
| 01:54.37 | Iriel | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/debugprofilestop |
| 01:54.52 | Iriel | You can call "stop" repeatedly after it's started to get successive values |
| 01:54.54 | nailertn | nice, thank you |
| 02:02.15 | KarlKFI | Anyone wanna help back on http://steamlevel.com ? I'm trying to Test out http://newrelic.com monitoring |
| 02:02.20 | KarlKFI | bang on* |
| 02:06.36 | Primer | no |
| 02:06.55 | KarlKFI | you could have kept that to yourself |
| 02:07.13 | mckenziemc | D: |
| 02:07.18 | TMc51 | Will it be alright if I use my sledge hammer to bang on it? |
| 02:07.24 | KarlKFI | sure |
| 02:14.36 | Unkle | Wait, no one said there'd be sledgehammers! |
| 02:16.20 | KarlKFI | who can sy when sledgehammers will come? |
| 02:16.36 | Unkle | When they do, they come for you! |
| 02:16.47 | KarlKFI | It's hammer time! |
| 02:16.50 | Unkle | Also, tacos. |
| 02:16.55 | KarlKFI | <3 tacos |
| 02:17.02 | KarlKFI | had tacos for lunch |
| 02:17.08 | KarlKFI | and nachos for snack |
| 02:17.16 | Unkle | Especially now that you're close enough to do tacos from time to time. |
| 02:17.18 | KarlKFI | nachos are just crunched up tacos |
| 02:17.25 | TMc51 | STOP! |
| 02:17.28 | TMc51 | HAMMER TIME! |
| 02:17.50 | KarlKFI | taco bell is accross the street... but it's not the same as del taco |
| 02:17.53 | Iriel | debugprofilehammertime() |
| 02:18.11 | Unkle | Mmm... tacos. |
| 02:18.33 | Unkle | I'm hungry... And I'm waiting for this damned update to finish so I can reboot this server and go home. |
| 02:18.56 | Arrowmaster | stop hammer time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muRitrcVW-Q |
| 02:19.01 | kd3 | http://waynehale.wordpress.com/2012/04/18/how-we-nearly-lost-discovery/ |
| 02:19.19 | kd3 | even though discovery's in the smithsonian, my heart still stopped reading that |
| 02:20.36 | KarlKFI | what's a "“return to flight” mission" |
| 02:20.55 | kd3 | exactly what it sounds like, the first flight after the challenger/colombia disasters |
| 02:21.05 | Unkle | ^^ |
| 02:21.23 | KarlKFI | isn't every flight a return to flight? |
| 02:21.24 | Unkle | After they replaced the external fuel tanks to fix the error. |
| 02:21.37 | Unkle | The program was shuttered for almost 3 years. |
| 02:23.48 | kd3 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Return_to_Flight |
| 02:41.49 | Torhal | Ahahahaha |
| 02:42.19 | Torhal | One of my old EQ friends, after seeing the comments about WoA, said: "i think i will mirror their site and send an email crafted in a way to get flagged as spam, stating "if you do not reply in 3 days i will host your website"" |
| 02:44.41 | Cairenn | lol |
| 02:45.16 | arton | lol |
| 02:51.18 | Arrowmaster | haha http://romneyryan.com |
| 02:51.30 | Arrowmaster | check the redirect |
| 02:51.56 | kd3 | 503? |
| 02:52.10 | Arrowmaster | it redirects to a 503 |
| 02:52.14 | Arrowmaster | check the url |
| 02:52.51 | Torhal | Hah |
| 02:53.12 | Dagmar | What redirect? |
| 02:53.28 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: look at your url bar |
| 02:53.34 | kd3 | http://romneyryan.com/This_site,_much_like_Mitt_Romney_himself,_is_for_sale/Mitt_Romney_and_Paul_Ryan.html |
| 02:55.52 | Dagmar | All I get is a 503 in the first round |
| 02:56.09 | kd3 | reload. it took me a few tries to get through |
| 02:56.11 | TMc51 | turn off flash block or whatever it is real quick, and it should work. |
| 02:56.25 | kd3 | even with flashblock enabled |
| 02:56.53 | Arrowmaster | also this is fucking awesome http://imgur.com/1suNP the text on the card is not so awesome though |
| 02:57.10 | TMc51 | Then it must have been coincidence it worked right atfer I turned it off. /shrug |
| 02:57.16 | Arrowmaster | it was |
| 02:57.40 | ccox | Hmm, tenton hammer likes their adsense ads. |
| 02:58.03 | Iriel | ccox: I suspect they're the sole reason for their continued existence |
| 02:58.07 | ccox | Has anyone gone to https://support.google.com/adsense/bin/request.py?contact_type=violation_report&&rd=1 to report them for hosting copyrighted material without permission (note it's an actual checkbox on their list) |
| 02:58.35 | ccox | I do know that Google takes the complaints rather seriously, but would expedite things if they receive multiple complaints |
| 02:58.42 | Dagmar | Whatever it is is probably *not* on all the nodes that answer for that |
| 02:58.47 | Dagmar | It's not a flash blocker |
| 02:59.28 | Dagmar | http://pastebin.com/Y2mXeCJr |
| 02:59.30 | Torhal | ccox: Does World of Addons have adsense? |
| 02:59.51 | ccox | look at the page source |
| 03:00.06 | ccox | GS_googleAddAdSenseService("ca-pub-2683608085448489"); |
| 03:00.39 | Cairenn | and yes, yes they will |
| 03:00.40 | Dagmar | Ah... Chrome ignores that |
| 03:00.40 | Cairenn | http://searchengineland.com/dmca-requests-now-used-in-googles-ranking-algorithm-130118 |
| 03:00.51 | Dagmar | It's a meta-refresh, not a redirect |
| 03:00.56 | Cairenn | that was written only last week |
| 03:01.33 | Arrowmaster | a meta-refresh in an error page? |
| 03:01.55 | Arrowmaster | oh the page is changing, now it has content |
| 03:02.45 | Dagmar | Oh crap |
| 03:02.49 | Dagmar | Where did you guys get this URL? |
| 03:03.14 | Arrowmaster | reddit |
| 03:03.14 | kd3 | the one I pasted? after refreshing a few times apache handed it to me |
| 03:03.49 | Dagmar | Yeah but they may actually be about to post Romney's tax returns |
| 03:03.57 | Dagmar | This may get very interesting indeed |
| 03:04.03 | kd3 | o_O |
| 03:04.08 | kd3 | tabs open some news sites |
| 03:04.38 | Kaylin | I'm trying to understand why we care, more than just generating rumors that he might have something to hide since he didn't show them to us yet which is not how right to privacy works. |
| 03:05.03 | Dagmar | The dude is rich as fuck |
| 03:05.14 | kd3 | presidential candidates have a right to privacy? |
| 03:05.16 | Kaylin | I'm aware I just don't see why it's an issue |
| 03:05.17 | Dagmar | Pretends to be speaking to NOT rich people |
| 03:05.23 | Kaylin | so are lots of people who run for president |
| 03:05.43 | ccox | Most politicians give out more tax return details. He is hiding something, intentionally. |
| 03:05.44 | Dagmar | His primary financial contributors are basically, everyone who has sodomized the economy |
| 03:05.52 | Arrowmaster | and the GOP hounded obama for his birth certificate, why cant we hound romney for his tax returns |
| 03:06.00 | Dagmar | Damn straight |
| 03:06.13 | Dagmar | We keep hearing rumors of offshore accounts and stuff |
| 03:06.39 | Arrowmaster | i heard he said that he paid at least 12% for the years hes not releasing |
| 03:06.41 | Dagmar | If he got shitloads of money *personally* from certain parties, it is likely to show up on the tax returns |
| 03:06.44 | Arrowmaster | fucking 12% |
| 03:06.46 | Kaylin | because why stoop to being idiots about personal financial details that don't matter? I mean I guess it's useful but still isn't this between the IRS and Romney and since neither of those parties are yelling at eachother maybe I'm crazy |
| 03:06.56 | Dagmar | Yeah 12% is like half what I pay |
| 03:07.00 | Kaylin | yea that's absurd, but it reflects the absurdity of the loopholes in the system |
| 03:07.09 | Kaylin | if I could pay 12% I damn well would. |
| 03:07.24 | Arrowmaster | and hes going to increase those loopholes |
| 03:07.31 | Arrowmaster | instead of closing them |
| 03:07.33 | Dagmar | Kaylin: Considering the man is making some rather wild (read: fucking insane) statements about taxes, who he wants to pay them, and how the tax system works? This matters. |
| 03:07.37 | Iriel | I heard one speculation be whether he's been tithing to the church appropriately or not.. but that's most likely just rumormongering |
| 03:07.52 | Dagmar | If he doesn't tithe I doubt anyone will care |
| 03:08.08 | Kaylin | Dagmar alright I suppose that's fair. |
| 03:08.38 | Dagmar | The dude is basically proposing what will amount to a 40% cut to every budget except war |
| 03:09.14 | ccox | no, he said he paid at least 13% (less than half the percentage I pay) |
| 03:09.37 | Arrowmaster | imho there is a big difference between using those tax loopholes then hiding it vs doing something like using them admiting it and saying you have to because everybody else does but you want to change that |
| 03:09.49 | Kaylin | Somehow I wish we could just stick to hating people on their views/actions not on personal issues. Also I wish we could do the opposite but we love war so much I'm not sure that would ever happen, plus let's be honest some of the stuff that comes out of DARPA is really cool. |
| 03:09.53 | Dagmar | Still, that kinda seriously puts light to the lie about the poor pitiful upper-income people paying more being unfair |
| 03:10.16 | Dagmar | Kaylin: Every department _except_ DoD |
| 03:10.24 | ccox | His personal financial details matter in that he's running on his financial ability. But he cheats on taxes and uses offshore tax havens - the more documentation of that, the better. |
| 03:10.35 | ccox | Oh, folks hate him for his view as well. |
| 03:10.45 | Iriel | Kaylin: I think there's a question of what a "personal issue" is... |
| 03:10.47 | Kaylin | I know Dagmar I was saying if it were the opposite |
| 03:10.58 | ccox | But if he releases his tax forms, then even Republicans will have trouble denying that he's a cheating creap. |
| 03:11.14 | Arrowmaster | it would be like trump running for president saying he will fix the economy and trying to hide his past failures |
| 03:11.21 | Iriel | Kaylin: For someone with IMMENSE personal wealth and income to try and pass himself off as for the common man, the line to tax returns probably doesn't stray into "personal issue" |
| 03:11.23 | Torhal | BTW: Filed a report on AdSense. |
| 03:11.28 | Dagmar | They've also pretty much said they believe that the gov't should only help rich people |
| 03:12.12 | Dagmar | Torhal: That's probably the most devastating thing that can happen to those guys. Google downranking them for catching DMCA flak |
| 03:12.14 | Kaylin | I'm not sure people who are republicans, in general, and vote for people who are republicans care. people who vote blindly along party lines, not because they agree with the party and look into candidates and happen to vote that way but just because they always have, I don't suspect care much about the reality of the situation vs the rhetoric. |
| 03:12.23 | arton | The richer you are, the more succesful you are. |
| 03:12.30 | arton | Truth or fiction? |
| 03:12.32 | Torhal | Dagmar: That's what I'm counting on. |
| 03:12.39 | Dagmar | Torhal: It's a _good_ idea |
| 03:12.49 | Torhal | I blame ccox :) |
| 03:12.54 | Dagmar | There won't be any bullshit with Google. |
| 03:13.07 | ccox | for what? |
| 03:13.15 | Dagmar | They're very into removing search results for DMCA-violating materials right now |
| 03:13.28 | kd3 | are they downranking youtube yet? |
| 03:13.29 | kd3 | >.> |
| 03:13.30 | arton | :D |
| 03:13.34 | Arrowmaster | only if you file a DMCA request with google |
| 03:13.40 | ccox | yes, which is why your adsense complaint should mention that they are ignoring DMCA takedown notices |
| 03:13.57 | Kaylin | did you talk to their ISP about them ignoring such notices? |
| 03:14.06 | Arrowmaster | isp is canadian |
| 03:14.10 | Kaylin | ah |
| 03:14.12 | Torhal | ccox: I was blaming you for the idea. |
| 03:14.36 | Arrowmaster | they dont have to do anything about the DMCA notices, but they will do something if a court orders it |
| 03:14.53 | ccox | If they receive several complaints, their google ads will be cutoff - which might hurt their income a bit |
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| 03:15.12 | ccox | they'll find another ad provider, then get cutoff again for hosting copyrighted material without permission |
| 03:15.43 | Dagmar | Someone's sure to view this website as thinly-veiled extortion |
| 03:15.47 | Dagmar | Oh well. |
| 03:16.38 | durcyn | re: romney: https://twitter.com/andrewducker/statuses/236562009410387968 |
| 03:16.59 | Kaylin | is there really a huge market for downloading addons from shady sources anyway I wonder? how long would they keep it up |
| 03:17.19 | Iriel | I dont think they care about /downloads/ |
| 03:17.25 | Iriel | they care about _page views_ |
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| 03:19.56 | Arrowmaster | yeah thats why the chinese and russian ones pop up all the time |
| 03:20.22 | Dagmar | Yep |
| 03:20.26 | Arrowmaster | they do a bit of SEO abuse and try to get their results high on google, and then rake in the money from shaddy ad networks |
| 03:20.41 | arton | lol |
| 03:20.46 | Dagmar | One *strong* reason to scrape the descriptions of the addons from other sites is that to Google it looks more like a mirror of the original |
| 03:20.51 | Arrowmaster | then disappear once theyve been busted and arent getting the page views anymore |
| 03:21.05 | Dagmar | ...cuz basically it is |
| 03:21.35 | Arrowmaster | durcyn: holy fuck thats epic |
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| 03:24.17 | Kaylin | except this time it's a shady american company |
| 03:24.42 | Arrowmaster | which means we can fight back |
| 03:24.50 | Kaylin | yea |
| 03:26.02 | bluspacecow | with teeth |
| 03:26.25 | mckenziemc | gnaws on bluspacecow. |
| 03:27.02 | arton | The World needs more Fox News. |
| 03:27.17 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 03:28.08 | arton | There's a Moon. You can't explain that. |
| 03:28.24 | Arrowmaster | ? |
| 03:28.46 | Dagmar | What? |
| 03:28.52 | arton | O'Reilly did a number about "The tide goes out, the tide comes in. You can't explain that." |
| 03:29.03 | bluspacecow | @arton we aren't scottish here |
| 03:29.04 | bluspacecow | :P |
| 03:29.15 | Dagmar | THat sort of crazy talk usually results in a faceslap |
| 03:29.15 | arton | Oh it's a Fox News opinion show. |
| 03:29.21 | Dagmar | Oh. |
| 03:29.40 | arton | He was trying to prove God exists. |
| 03:29.41 | Dagmar | *SMAKK-A!* "Snap out of it, man!" |
| 03:29.52 | mckenziemc | o.o |
| 03:30.15 | Dagmar | I wonder when they're going to get their first genuine frothing ranter on there |
| 03:30.36 | arton | o.O |
| 03:30.43 | Dagmar | Someone that loses it in the middle of their spiel and just starts howling and frothing |
| 03:30.45 | kd3 | the romney stand-ins on CNN have been doing a good job frothing at the mouth lately |
| 03:30.54 | Dagmar | Yeah I've been seeing that |
| 03:30.58 | bluspacecow | http://twitter.com/Boubouille_MMO/status/236639682677575680 |
| 03:31.00 | bluspacecow | da faq |
| 03:31.02 | Dagmar | It's like they came to the studio through some parallel universe |
| 03:31.10 | bluspacecow | we herd u liek patch builds |
| 03:31.28 | kd3 | we're close to ship, if they're not patching close to daily I start to get worried |
| 03:31.32 | bluspacecow | so we gave a patch build right after the last one. so you can beta test a build while your beta testing another build |
| 03:31.44 | kd3 | and another 330MB |
| 03:31.46 | kd3 | eeesh |
| 03:32.08 | g0urra | yay more paladin buffs |
| 03:32.57 | arton | I need to check out wow again. |
| 03:33.08 | kd3 | oh wow they nuked the hell out of inferno blast |
| 03:33.28 | kd3 | s/nuked/nerfed/ |
| 03:34.00 | arton | I saw some crazy talent design the other day. |
| 03:34.07 | bluspacecow | http://pastebin.com/Pe84p1U4 |
| 03:34.10 | bluspacecow | lul |
| 03:36.18 | arton | Did this last expansion suck or something? |
| 03:36.31 | bluspacecow | work tiems |
| 04:09.23 | Adys | arton: it didn't so much suck as much as put a huge content pressure on all players |
| 04:10.00 | Adys | arton: it was basically the polar opposite of TBC. Instead of burning players out, it borefroze everyone. |
| 04:10.06 | Adys | Borefreezing, hm |
| 04:10.10 | Adys | another word I'm loving. |
| 04:17.10 | arton | Adys: I'm not sure I understand. Content pressure? |
| 04:17.41 | arton | As in you had to make it as a raid guild, or there's no hope? |
| 04:17.45 | Adys | arton: lack of proper content for players to enjoy. Blizzard got into auto-recycling everything with heroic modes and such |
| 04:17.49 | Adys | no, the opposite |
| 04:17.55 | Adys | you ran out of content too fast |
| 04:17.57 | arton | ah |
| 04:18.01 | arton | nods. |
| 04:18.04 | Adys | the high end wasn't high end, it was just the same shit all over |
| 04:18.12 | arton | lol |
| 04:18.40 | Adys | but the problem wasnt so much that model |
| 04:18.49 | Adys | it was that they relied on it |
| 04:19.07 | Adys | they made regular content *extremely* easy, and made an even easier mode for pickup groups |
| 04:19.29 | arton | Are they going to release Naxx again? |
| 04:20.15 | arton | lol |
| 04:20.20 | arton | My kind of game then. |
| 04:20.23 | arton | For a while. |
| 04:20.28 | arton | I'd get bored as fuck with that. |
| 04:20.47 | Dagmar | An _all Onyxia zone_ |
| 04:20.57 | arton | In the expansion? |
| 04:21.00 | Dagmar | *Inside* Onyxia's brain |
| 04:21.03 | mckenziemc | no dagmar |
| 04:21.04 | arton | o.O |
| 04:21.06 | mckenziemc | onyxian trolls |
| 04:21.10 | Dagmar | heh |
| 04:21.10 | arton | lol |
| 04:21.20 | Adys | fuck you for that mckenziemc |
| 04:21.26 | Adys | I get shivers just thinking of Zul'Nyxia |
| 04:21.27 | arton | Onyxia breathes more I hear. |
| 04:21.27 | Dagmar | lol |
| 04:21.43 | arton | Out in the open fields |
| 04:21.43 | kd3 | winces |
| 04:21.59 | Adys | It's sad honestly |
| 04:22.07 | Adys | I loved Cataclysm's overall design |
| 04:22.24 | Adys | but blizzard has this magnificent tendency to fuck up the long-term |
| 04:22.48 | Adys | Honestly I don't know what's smoking what anymore, they had the same fiasco with d3 |
| 04:23.03 | Adys | at this point I think its just lack of focus |
| 04:23.27 | arton | I remember how awesome TBC was. |
| 04:23.32 | Adys | it wasn't |
| 04:23.43 | arton | I started playing the same month we had the Naxx events. |
| 04:24.04 | Adys | congrats, you had the new-game feeling when you got tbc |
| 04:24.12 | arton | Cataclysm killed it for me. |
| 04:24.15 | arton | yep |
| 04:24.17 | Adys | tbc was fucking awful, hands down the worst expansion |
| 04:24.22 | arton | lol |
| 04:24.39 | Adys | and im saying that despite the fact that its cataclysm that made me stop playing |
| 04:24.43 | durcyn | opinions. |
| 04:25.12 | Adys | durcyn: i have a lot of objective reasons behind this |
| 04:25.23 | Adys | durcyn: design issues i have with tbc |
| 04:25.56 | Adys | if you look into several tbc mechanics, it's all shit that's been eventually reverted, scrapped, awfully received or eventually damaged the game |
| 04:26.10 | Adys | wlk was the polar opposite |
| 04:26.20 | Adys | not to mention the most popular expansion of all |
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| 04:27.35 | arton | I played the end of the WLK expansion. I loved it. |
| 04:28.34 | arton | I would agree that it was a better expansion technically. TBC was an all-out thing for me and I burned myself out horribly, especially in beta running Naxx over and over... |
| 04:29.25 | Adys | exactly |
| 04:29.30 | Adys | wait what? |
| 04:29.31 | Adys | naxx? |
| 04:29.59 | Adys | naxx was in vanilla and wlk, what are you talking about? |
| 04:30.06 | Torhal | Adys: TBC Beta, apparently Nax was still The Shit (TM) |
| 04:30.12 | arton | TBC was right before WLK. |
| 04:30.24 | arton | I got burned out in TBC. |
| 04:30.24 | Adys | Torhal: people were running that? |
| 04:30.40 | Torhal | Adys: No idea. I didn't start WoW until March 2007. |
| 04:30.50 | Torhal | I said "apparently" |
| 04:30.55 | Torhal | based on what arton said. |
| 04:31.07 | arton | Well we were in beta. |
| 04:31.19 | Adys | Vanilla was very experimental comparatively to everything else |
| 04:31.27 | Adys | naxxramas was a huge experiment |
| 04:31.36 | Adys | and hugely successful despite low popularity |
| 04:31.56 | Adys | tbc tried to follow that path but very badly |
| 04:32.12 | Adys | it was tbc that introduced heroic modes, which ruined cataclysm (see?) |
| 04:32.30 | arton | heh |
| 04:32.31 | Adys | reputation grind as a feature |
| 04:32.49 | arton | lol |
| 04:32.54 | arton | I can't do grinds. |
| 04:32.58 | Adys | lowered raid amounts, which i still believe was a HUGE mistake in the long term |
| 04:33.15 | Adys | i mean |
| 04:33.15 | arton | That's ultimately what did it for me while trying to stay up with heroics. |
| 04:33.25 | Adys | compare it to today's auto pickup groups in raids |
| 04:33.36 | Adys | added with skill matchups and such |
| 04:33.42 | arton | heh |
| 04:33.46 | arton | It works out ok? |
| 04:33.55 | Adys | if you had 40-man raids today with those, it would be much more solid long-term |
| 04:33.58 | Adys | yeah i suppose |
| 04:34.02 | Adys | its not enjoyable at all |
| 04:34.08 | arton | nods. |
| 04:34.36 | Adys | wow is cultivating the "fun" spirit |
| 04:34.37 | arton | What about loot thieves? Is that a problem anymore? |
| 04:34.42 | Adys | eg. "take the grind out of the mmo" |
| 04:34.54 | arton | cool |
| 04:34.56 | Adys | and they make it an all-grind game |
| 04:34.57 | Adys | nah they improved things on that |
| 04:35.13 | Adys | but again, they improved things by making loot non-existant |
| 04:35.19 | arton | lol |
| 04:35.23 | arton | really? |
| 04:35.24 | Adys | you collectively get points and buy shit with that |
| 04:35.31 | arton | oh damn |
| 04:35.33 | Adys | a system which, by the way, was introduced in tbc |
| 04:35.38 | arton | do you still have to grind heroics? |
| 04:35.46 | Adys | sort of |
| 04:35.58 | Dagmar | Mainly you just run them for giggles and the points just pile up |
| 04:36.00 | Adys | you would have to at the beginning but they deprecate it every other patch |
| 04:36.05 | Adys | yeah |
| 04:36.16 | Adys | thats another retarded thing they did |
| 04:36.19 | arton | yeah I better not get into that |
| 04:36.21 | arton | lol |
| 04:36.24 | Adys | they release like 15 heroics out of the bat |
| 04:36.29 | Adys | then the next patch |
| 04:36.33 | Adys | they make running them useless |
| 04:36.37 | Adys | and replace them with TWO heroics |
| 04:36.38 | arton | lol |
| 04:38.22 | Adys | there is a huge lack of solo content in cata |
| 04:39.09 | Adys | they build this system where they make you rely on other players to properly improve your character |
| 04:39.21 | Adys | but then they make the social part irrelevant |
| 04:39.22 | Dagmar | When did that happen? |
| 04:39.33 | Adys | when wow became an mmo? :P |
| 04:39.49 | Dagmar | Odd. I didn't notice much trouble getting to max level |
| 04:39.55 | Adys | not that |
| 04:40.04 | Adys | the leveling content has always been brilliant |
| 04:40.15 | Adys | but battlegrounds, heroics, raids => groups |
| 04:40.20 | Adys | and *everything* is puggable |
| 04:40.30 | Adys | so the social bits dont actually matter |
| 04:40.34 | Dagmar | Uhhh that's becuse they made puggable versions |
| 04:40.54 | Adys | the way pugs are done is horrible though |
| 04:40.58 | Dagmar | Unless they start paying the kiddies gold to not be dicks, ther'es nothing that can be done about that |
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| 04:41.16 | Adys | there are things you can do to improve the system |
| 04:41.20 | Dagmar | It's like a great big circle of forcible sodomy in the queue some nights |
| 04:41.38 | Adys | skill matchups are fantastic, cf what valve is doing |
| 04:42.02 | arton | Who's top DPS? |
| 04:42.06 | arton | What class? |
| 04:42.07 | Adys | who cares |
| 04:42.11 | arton | I do. |
| 04:42.19 | Adys | well ill tell you whos not |
| 04:42.23 | Adys | WITCH DOCTOR |
| 04:42.23 | Adys | HAHAHA |
| 04:42.24 | Kaylin | immarogue |
| 04:42.38 | arton | witch doctor? Is that a classnow? |
| 04:42.42 | bleeter | Fisker: |
| 04:42.50 | Adys | no, im just making a joke because the d3 wd class is pisspoor |
| 04:42.57 | arton | oh :) |
| 04:43.19 | arton | I still like Rift. |
| 04:43.42 | Adys | seriously though, the thing about pugs is you have a system where you rely on the social part of the game to have fun, and you take the fun part out of it (eg. just dicking around with friends) |
| 04:43.49 | arton | That's where I went after dropping out of Cataclysm. |
| 04:43.56 | Adys | you build it on top of a goal where mistakes are costly |
| 04:44.06 | Adys | so its pure frustration if someone sucks |
| 04:44.13 | arton | heh |
| 04:44.16 | Adys | why does tf2 work? because dying is painless |
| 04:44.20 | arton | What if they all suck? |
| 04:44.30 | Kaylin | because dying rewards you with hats? |
| 04:44.36 | Adys | well if everyone sucks, you leave the game (in tf2) |
| 04:44.37 | Adys | but in wow |
| 04:44.43 | Dagmar | Is *that* the reason I never get any hats? |
| 04:44.44 | Adys | you get a 30 min debuff if you do that |
| 04:44.51 | arton | heh |
| 04:44.54 | Adys | leaving is costly, dying is costly |
| 04:44.59 | Adys | a system of pure frustration |
| 04:45.05 | arton | lol |
| 04:45.09 | Adys | so the social part is dead |
| 04:45.12 | Dagmar | I don't know that I'd call dying costly. |
| 04:45.16 | Dagmar | CLEARLY you never played EverQuest. |
| 04:45.28 | Adys | dying is not costly to your character |
| 04:45.32 | Adys | its costly to your mood |
| 04:45.34 | arton | I never played EverQuest. |
| 04:45.51 | Adys | if you die, you ruin the fact if you're an important role |
| 04:45.52 | Dagmar | In EverQuest if you died, your corpse AND EVERYTHING YOU HAD stays where you died. |
| 04:46.02 | Dagmar | You got to run back, naked, to try to reclaim it. |
| 04:46.04 | Adys | yes but this has very different implications Dagmar |
| 04:46.13 | Adys | EQ was built on top of that spirit, so it works out |
| 04:46.22 | Adys | WoW is built on top of a pure-casual spirit |
| 04:46.25 | Dagmar | Brutalizing players? I an see that |
| 04:46.28 | Adys | where sucking is the norm |
| 04:46.38 | Adys | you cant have costly deaths if sucking is the norm |
| 04:46.39 | arton | Frustrating |
| 04:46.41 | Dagmar | I honestly don't get that upset about dying in WoW |
| 04:46.49 | arton | I do. |
| 04:47.01 | arton | Especially when a raid leader's bitching about it. |
| 04:47.02 | Adys | i dont, but again, its pretty irrelevant how you feel about dying |
| 04:47.06 | Adys | its how it affects the gameplay |
| 04:47.31 | Adys | i mean you look at it from the pov of someone who doesnt suck |
| 04:47.43 | Adys | if my healer sucks, i might just make it |
| 04:47.48 | Adys | but if my healer dies, my group is dead |
| 04:48.05 | Dagmar | L2threatdrop |
| 04:48.07 | arton | unless you're at 1% *nods* |
| 04:48.24 | Adys | again, those are very irrelevant details, im talking about the general feel of the game |
| 04:48.52 | Adys | you have to build with your audience in mind |
| 04:49.20 | Adys | wow becomes a casual-oriented, it has to have casual-friendly mechanics |
| 04:49.33 | Adys | s/d/d game/ |
| 04:49.35 | Dagmar | You say that like it's a bad thing |
| 04:49.45 | Adys | like what is? |
| 04:49.56 | Dagmar | Having casual-friendly mechanics |
| 04:50.20 | Adys | im viewing it as a neutral third-party |
| 04:50.30 | Adys | i dont actually care about wow's fate |
| 04:50.47 | arton | I do. |
| 04:50.51 | Adys | but the players are dropping like flies and thats because theres a huge mismatch of goals |
| 04:51.03 | Dagmar | Hyperbole |
| 04:51.04 | arton | ah |
| 04:51.39 | Adys | wow has built a casual spirit around its game, but its kept casual-unfriendly mechanics such as costly deaths and lfg debuffs |
| 04:52.04 | Dagmar | That comes back to "many of the players are complete douchebags" problem |
| 04:52.08 | arton | I think the lfg debuffs are unavoidable. |
| 04:52.22 | Dagmar | ....because we're not allowed to hunt and skin those people. |
| 04:52.25 | Adys | arton: they'd be avoidable if the players would be replacable immediately |
| 04:52.33 | arton | nods. |
| 04:52.42 | Dagmar | Immediate replacements aren't the problem |
| 04:52.43 | arton | Yeah your tank leaves and sigh. |
| 04:52.51 | Dagmar | Buying queue positions and generally being elitist dicks is the problem |
| 04:52.54 | Adys | Dagmar: many tf2 players are complete douchebags but it works out because it doesn't make you rely on them, not completely anyway |
| 04:53.12 | Dagmar | I didn't notice *any* reliance on other tf2 players |
| 04:53.22 | arton | lol they're selling queue positions? Tanks? |
| 04:53.37 | Dagmar | yep |
| 04:54.02 | arton | Is crafting still fun? |
| 04:54.10 | arton | It's late in the expansion so likeluy not. |
| 04:54.12 | Adys | what do you mean "still"? |
| 04:54.27 | arton | I had fun with it anyways. |
| 04:54.32 | Dagmar | They kinda bobbled the crafting worse than usual |
| 04:54.34 | Adys | you seem to have played minecraft |
| 04:54.43 | arton | Nope |
| 04:54.52 | Dagmar | It looked like someone spent all of a half hour itemizing leatherworking |
| 04:56.21 | arton | So I tried playing Pocket Legends. It adds AI characters to help you out. I thought they were real. :/ |
| 04:56.50 | arton | Oh and they REALLY want you to buy their little bonuses. |
| 04:58.09 | Dagmar | Oh god |
| 04:58.20 | Dagmar | I tried that eyesore when it came out |
| 05:02.20 | Dagmar | You might like Spiral Knights |
| 05:03.23 | arton | What's that? |
| 05:03.36 | arton | I see Spiral Knights Wiki on google play. |
| 05:03.51 | arton | and spiral knights energy tracker |
| 05:07.54 | arton | Oh this must be a PC game. |
| 05:16.37 | arton | Catsino Royale Meowtini - Shaken, not purred. |
| 05:17.26 | mckenziemc | shakes arton vigorously. |
| 05:24.16 | arton | stop trying to give me a syndrome -._ |
| 05:28.30 | arton | Dagmar: I installed it but the client freezes when I start it. |
| 05:28.56 | arton | anywa, I really shouldn't be looking into another MMO. |
| 05:29.02 | arton | s/anywa/anyway/ |
| 05:29.07 | Dagmar | No idea man. It worked when I was playing it. Not nearly as much of a lag/rubberbanding/eyesore as PL |
| 05:29.16 | arton | hehe |
| 05:29.27 | Dagmar | You might need to restart your browser for all I know |
| 05:29.38 | Dagmar | I think it's even in Steam |
| 05:29.48 | arton | Oh I downloaded it directly and installed it. |
| 05:29.57 | Dagmar | Ah... |
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| 05:34.09 | Cairenn|afk | Torhal: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=259835#post259835 |
| 05:37.50 | Dagmar | Geez. I can't help but think they're just being so stupid someone over there is under the impression they'll never get sued |
| 05:38.08 | mckenziemc | Cairenn|afk: WTB thumbnails |
| 05:39.02 | arton | I'm impervious; it's the interweb. |
| 05:39.16 | arton | anonmititymity |
| 05:43.38 | Xinhuan | hello :) |
| 05:48.02 | Arrowmaster | Xinhuan: youve been missing out on the fun |
| 05:48.12 | Xinhuan | what did i miss |
| 05:48.25 | Arrowmaster | tentonhammer launched their addon site |
| 05:48.27 | Xinhuan | i know its been almost 8 months ^^ |
| 05:48.30 | Xinhuan | and then? |
| 05:48.40 | Arrowmaster | and stole over 800 addons without permission |
| 05:48.47 | Xinhuan | ah so what happened |
| 05:48.52 | Xinhuan | and was mine one of them? |
| 05:48.54 | Arrowmaster | it just happened |
| 05:49.05 | nevcairiel | routes is on their site at least |
| 05:49.12 | Xinhuan | just? meaning how long ago |
| 05:49.18 | Arrowmaster | days ago |
| 05:49.20 | nevcairiel | earlier this week |
| 05:49.54 | Xinhuan | got a link? |
| 05:50.18 | Arrowmaster | worldofaddons.com |
| 05:51.04 | Arrowmaster | the thread detailing parts of it is at http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43892 |
| 05:51.37 | Xinhuan | how are they intending to keep it updated |
| 05:51.40 | Xinhuan | if authors don't upload there |
| 05:52.07 | Arrowmaster | they scraped it all from curse/wowi to start, probably keep scraping |
| 05:52.56 | Arrowmaster | just search for your name on their site and i see 6 different addons |
| 05:53.22 | Xinhuan | btw, tentonhammer offered to pay me to keep Omen updated |
| 05:53.35 | Arrowmaster | lol? |
| 05:53.43 | Arrowmaster | its not updated? |
| 05:53.57 | Xinhuan | i didn't see a need to update it, it wasn't erroring |
| 05:54.03 | Xinhuan | so my TOC is still 42000 |
| 05:54.18 | Arrowmaster | just use http://worldofaddons.com/contact to tell them what to remove |
| 05:54.19 | Xinhuan | and like i said, my last login is in january, and only for 5 minutes |
| 05:54.46 | Xinhuan | "We are now bringing more addon authors into our team, acquiring their addons and paying them to make them even better. Omen is a wonderful fit as it is not only unique, but very well written and maintained. |
| 05:54.47 | Xinhuan | If this is of interest to you, please let me know and we can work out what makes sense from both a money and employment point of view." |
| 05:54.54 | Xinhuan | this email was dated jan 31 of this year |
| 05:56.26 | Arrowmaster | they were probably offering to buy it like they did with gearscore |
| 05:56.33 | Xinhuan | yes that was the intent |
| 05:56.48 | Arrowmaster | and then plaster their logo all over it, like they did with gearscore |
| 05:57.02 | Xinhuan | i believe they also mass sent another message to addon authors about requesting for permission to post addons via curse.com and wowi messaging system in June |
| 05:57.10 | Arrowmaster | they did |
| 05:57.21 | Xinhuan | so they did ask |
| 05:57.40 | Arrowmaster | with lines such as 'failure to reply will be taken as acceptance to these terms' |
| 05:57.51 | Arrowmaster | which isnt legal |
| 05:57.59 | Xinhuan | that line isn't in the message i got |
| 05:58.15 | arton | What really bugs me about this whole fucking IP theft situation is I learned Gearscore still exists! FFFFFUUUUU |
| 05:58.17 | Arrowmaster | it was in the later ones they sent after nobody replied |
| 05:58.32 | Xinhuan | i didn't see the later ones then, i assume the admins filtered them out |
| 05:58.55 | arton | Personally I liked Pawn for personal stats, but Gearscore was a thorn iirc. |
| 05:59.01 | Arrowmaster | they did since it was solicitation |
| 05:59.43 | ZorbaGama | wonder how much I could've sold questhelper to 'em for :V |
| 05:59.53 | arton | :) |
| 06:00.06 | Xinhuan | they basically asked me for how much i wanted per month |
| 06:00.10 | Xinhuan | to work for them |
| 06:01.16 | Arrowmaster | well i saw 6 of your addons at a glance on their site, so thats just short of 1mil if you would rather just sue them |
| 06:01.42 | Xinhuan | unfortunately, i have no idea how sueing works |
| 06:01.55 | arton | give money to lawyers, done |
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| 06:02.10 | Xinhuan | well here's the thing |
| 06:02.27 | Xinhuan | if i were to sue someone, i don't get any benefit out of it |
| 06:02.41 | Xinhuan | since i cannot prove that i have suffered damages as a consequence |
| 06:02.50 | arton | nods. |
| 06:03.04 | Arrowmaster | sue them in the US instead |
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| 06:03.13 | arton | In East Texas. |
| 06:03.16 | Arrowmaster | works much better here |
| 06:03.30 | Xinhuan | i'm not sure how that works, nor the costs involved |
| 06:04.49 | Arrowmaster | so this looks like its going to happen http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2012/aug/17/nikola-tesla-museum-campaign-online |
| 06:05.32 | arton | ;) |
| 06:05.48 | Arrowmaster | and over a month to go |
| 06:08.15 | Xinhuan | hmm |
| 06:08.30 | Xinhuan | it looks like getting Athene's attention on this (who has major ties with Razer) might be useful |
| 06:08.40 | Xinhuan | since they are offering razer products |
| 06:09.08 | Arrowmaster | we dont think razer is actually part of it, they are probably just buying razer products to give away |
| 06:10.05 | Xinhuan | still razer probably wouldn't want any part of it |
| 06:10.29 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 06:17.57 | arton | >:) |
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| 06:28.36 | Xinhuan | hmm |
| 06:29.38 | pnorman | they don't have any of my addons |
| 06:30.38 | Xinhuan | they have plenty of mine |
| 06:30.40 | Xinhuan | but its a bit strange |
| 06:31.06 | Xinhuan | their version of Omen hosted on their site is listed as v3.1.2, but the zip is 3.1.6 |
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| 06:53.38 | Fisker | bleeter |
| 06:56.01 | Fisker | pls no Xinhuan |
| 06:56.16 | Xinhuan | hello, i missed you! |
| 06:57.46 | Fisker | i didn't miss you |
| 06:57.55 | Fisker | you're talking about athene |
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| 07:25.30 | arton | I just realized my addon's screen cap has a dirty word. :/ |
| 07:25.33 | arton | on curse |
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| 07:29.09 | arton | is pondering pandas. |
| 07:29.46 | Torhal | Cairenn: ROFLMAO |
| 07:30.23 | Torhal | Xinhuan: They use Google AdSense. You can report them for Copyright infringement. |
| 07:32.36 | pnorman | If they're distributing without permission you could send them a DMCA takedown notice to their host, many hosts will stupidly pull the site offline instead of giving the site a chance to remove the content first |
| 07:33.13 | Cairenn | pnorman: already ongoing |
| 07:34.20 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43892 |
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| 07:36.00 | pnorman | You've sent one to their host? |
| 07:41.30 | nevcairiel | does the dmca even apply to canadian hosts |
| 07:41.56 | pnorman | There's often someone in the hosting chain who it applies to or the host will voluntarily apply the procedures |
| 07:42.22 | nevcairiel | so thats a no :P |
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| 07:42.46 | bluspacecow | framexml? |
| 07:43.00 | bluspacecow | :( |
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| 07:44.08 | pnorman | The key is to not send it to them, but to their host. If their host does nothing, their *host* is going to have legal problems for distributing copyrighted content without a license (since it's their servers) |
| 07:44.28 | bluspacecow | oh well my guide didn't really need it anyway :| |
| 07:44.56 | pnorman | has too much experience in sending DMCA takedowns, and also is about to become involved in processing them |
| 07:45.18 | bluspacecow | um |
| 07:45.20 | bluspacecow | https://support.google.com/adsense/bin/request.py?contact_type=violation_report&&rd=1 |
| 07:45.27 | bluspacecow | Torhal what I am doing with this again ? |
| 07:45.59 | Torhal | bluspacecow: Hopeflly reporting copyright infringement since http://worldofaddons.com uses Gogle AdSense. |
| 07:46.09 | Torhal | s/Gogle/Google/ |
| 07:47.30 | mikma | http://imgur.com/gallery/72Po6 |
| 07:47.31 | Xinhuan | who was it that posted about class action |
| 07:47.35 | Xinhuan | was it you torhal |
| 07:48.10 | bluspacecow | oh hai2u Xinhuan |
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| 08:10.27 | arton | http://shirt.woot.com/offers/not-what-i-meant |
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| 08:14.52 | mikma | http://www.deadline.com/2012/08/avengers-2-now-dated-for-may-1-2015-exclusive/ |
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| 08:35.06 | nebula169 | "Update ToC Interface to 40300 just to say "Fuck off" to World of Addons. Take my shit off of your goddamn page, you thieving assholes." lol torhal |
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| 08:42.35 | arton | steals the Source. |
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| 08:58.30 | AcidWeb | Im out for a day and what I find right after coming back? http://worldofaddons.com/features/claiming-and-removing-addons-world-addons |
| 08:58.31 | AcidWeb | WTF |
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| 08:59.23 | Cairenn | Yup |
| 08:59.30 | Cairenn | Pretty insulting, isn't it? |
| 09:00.19 | Cairenn | You'll like some of the emails that have been sent, too |
| 09:00.25 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43892 |
| 09:01.10 | AcidWeb | I seriously cant find a words to describe this, this... |
| 09:01.17 | Cairenn | Yup |
| 09:01.29 | Fisker | i think all copyright should work that way |
| 09:01.35 | Fisker | it's like i pirate a movie |
| 09:01.44 | Fisker | and some lawyers send me threatening letters |
| 09:01.56 | AcidWeb | Cairenn: So Blizzard said we shouldnt melt PlayerScore with our addons? |
| 09:02.03 | Cairenn | Yeah |
| 09:02.07 | Fisker | i'll just say i need real proof that they're even representing it |
| 09:02.07 | AcidWeb | Shame. |
| 09:02.08 | Fisker | bam |
| 09:02.47 | Cairenn | AcidWeb: You want to say something in a text file, read me, file description, whatever - that's your right |
| 09:03.11 | Cairenn | they just don't want (a) pop-ups in game or (b) addons fucking with the ability for other addons to work |
| 09:03.20 | Blazeflack | I had my 2 small plugins removed yesterday after I contacted them through the webform |
| 09:04.21 | AcidWeb | Cairenn: Sadly to express my fellings now i need zeppelin with big banner "F*ck you B. de la Durantaye" |
| 09:04.28 | Cairenn | heh |
| 09:04.46 | AcidWeb | Already send 2 mails thru that form. |
| 09:04.48 | AcidWeb | No response. |
| 09:04.49 | Blazeflack | Got an email a few hours after submitting my message and then my request was forwarded to the team handling removal of addons. |
| 09:05.00 | AcidWeb | But that might be remotly connected with fact |
| 09:05.08 | AcidWeb | that i was not very nice in that emails. |
| 09:05.14 | Blazeflack | Probably |
| 09:06.17 | Blazeflack | He did mention my email being "rational and reasonable" |
| 09:07.09 | arton | Anyone know if StarTip still works in WoW? |
| 09:07.54 | Blazeflack | My plugins were licensed as Public Domain at the time though, so there is really no scandal about them hosting them. I told them I had since changed the license because I only wanted to host in a few select places where I would be able to provide proper support |
| 09:08.23 | Blazeflack | and that was it.. they got removed soon after |
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| 09:09.14 | Blazeflack | Never used it arton |
| 09:09.19 | arton | nods. |
| 09:10.30 | AcidWeb | Send third mail. |
| 09:11.50 | Cairenn | Also, if you haven't seen it yet: http://www.worldofaddons.com/features/claiming-and-removing-addons-world-addons |
| 09:12.20 | Blazeflack | While I understand their argument about wanting to make sure they don't remove addons by request of the wrong people, I don't understand why they don't just do a scan for ARR licensed addons and remove all of them except for the ones they got permission to host. |
| 09:12.23 | AcidWeb | i linked that few minutes ago ;] |
| 09:12.31 | Blazeflack | Yeah I read it |
| 09:12.38 | AcidWeb | Blazeflack: Because they dont give a shit. |
| 09:12.48 | AcidWeb | Plain and simple. |
| 09:13.13 | Blazeflack | I suppose I'm too naive, believing in the good of people :p |
| 09:14.10 | Blazeflack | Would just seem to be the easiest way to solve this whole incident.. atleast it sounds logical to me :p |
| 09:16.07 | AcidWeb | If they ever really care about copyrights they would contact us properly. |
| 09:16.08 | Cairenn | Blazeflack: that's what I've been saying all along, lots of others have been too |
| 09:16.23 | wereHamster | how can I check whether my addon is on WoA? |
| 09:16.34 | Blazeflack | search for it wereHamster |
| 09:16.48 | Cairenn | search >key words >all rights reserved > delete |
| 09:17.13 | Blazeflack | Cairenn: yeah I guess ^^ |
| 09:17.42 | AcidWeb | oh alladdon is dead. |
| 09:19.10 | Blazeflack | Yeah Shadowhack from WoWI submit a message of abuse to their actual host sharktech.net |
| 09:19.15 | Blazeflack | submitted* |
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| 09:19.39 | Blazeflack | He showed me their reply. They forwarded the message to their client and suspended the website for the time being |
| 09:21.44 | arton | Anyone mind checking if my addon still works with WoW? |
| 09:21.53 | arton | Can't install WoW. |
| 09:22.03 | Blazeflack | what addon is that? |
| 09:22.06 | arton | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info17659-StarTip.html |
| 09:22.12 | Blazeflack | live or beta? |
| 09:22.18 | arton | live |
| 09:22.29 | arton | beta too if you're feeling like it |
| 09:22.59 | AcidWeb | arton: It will not run on beta |
| 09:23.03 | arton | k |
| 09:23.10 | AcidWeb | I can say it without testing |
| 09:23.15 | arton | Oh |
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| 09:23.16 | AcidWeb | talent api is diffrent. |
| 09:23.21 | arton | nods. |
| 09:23.31 | arton | It will try to disable that code if it fails. |
| 09:23.41 | AcidWeb | Getting talents tihs way will fail miserably |
| 09:23.47 | arton | :) |
| 09:24.14 | mikma | i claimed my addon. let's see if i win free shit |
| 09:24.14 | AcidWeb | I can patch it for you. |
| 09:24.29 | arton | Oh that would be insane. :) |
| 09:24.40 | Cairenn | You leaving it up mikma? |
| 09:24.53 | mikma | cairenn: i dunno, maybe. |
| 09:25.05 | arton | AcidWeb: I'd be grateful. |
| 09:25.06 | mikma | i couldn't care less about their site anyway |
| 09:25.13 | mikma | cause i only support wowi |
| 09:25.34 | Fisker | sue them and win billions in settlemen money? |
| 09:25.36 | bluspacecow | mikma i got your message |
| 09:25.40 | bluspacecow | and send you one back |
| 09:25.43 | bluspacecow | "BOOM" |
| 09:25.54 | mikma | oh shi |
| 09:26.07 | AcidWeb | arton: What module handle talents? main one? |
| 09:26.13 | mikma | bluspacecow: oh. i just received my rank 2 explosives expert papers yesterday :) |
| 09:26.39 | bluspacecow | yay |
| 09:26.43 | mikma | bluspacecow: one more step to go, rank 3, unlimited kg / day |
| 09:26.46 | arton | LibScriptable-1.0/LibScriptablePlugins-1.0/LibScriptablePluginTalents-1.0 iirc, but sec so I can make sure. |
| 09:26.46 | bluspacecow | now you can blow more things up. |
| 09:27.13 | bluspacecow | https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/s720x720/282762_3741795017065_1729779102_n.jpg |
| 09:27.15 | bluspacecow | wt |
| 09:27.16 | bluspacecow | f |
| 09:27.19 | mikma | bluspacecow: actually, yes. i can :) now i can work under supervision in cities |
| 09:27.49 | bluspacecow | now you can threaten Fisker with blowing up his town |
| 09:27.52 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:27.52 | mikma | all it requires is that a person with rank 3 visits me every day once |
| 09:28.29 | mikma | bluspacecow: sure, whatever drives fisker's nuts |
| 09:29.06 | Blazeflack | logging in to check now arton |
| 09:29.19 | Blazeflack | pc running a little slow, it's working on other tasks :p |
| 09:29.31 | AcidWeb | arton: Your addon dont even start due to api functions name changes. |
| 09:29.42 | arton | AcidWeb: Oh |
| 09:29.45 | arton | nods. |
| 09:30.33 | arton | oh well |
| 09:30.55 | AcidWeb | So making talent patch is somewhat usless |
| 09:31.00 | arton | nods. |
| 09:31.03 | AcidWeb | As this addon require some more work ;] |
| 09:31.03 | arton | :) |
| 09:31.08 | AcidWeb | gl ;] |
| 09:31.17 | arton | Well it's good to know one way or another. |
| 09:31.33 | Blazeflack | arton it seems to work fine on live atleast |
| 09:31.38 | arton | Ah |
| 09:31.41 | mikma | cairenn: think about it. everyone tries to get his addon removed, i claim my addon that's out of date and what i haven't updated in two years = more % for me to win free crap, lol |
| 09:31.46 | Blazeflack | so no bugs to squash, just the API change you need to adapt to |
| 09:31.50 | Torhal | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:31.54 | arton | nods. |
| 09:32.06 | Cairenn | shrugs |
| 09:32.10 | arton | Is it just the Talents api? |
| 09:32.20 | Torhal | If anyone wants to see a REALLY bizarre e-mail exchange between myself and WoA representatives, PM me your e-mail address. |
| 09:32.41 | Cairenn | If you don't know my email addy by now Torhal, Imma pout |
| 09:33.12 | Torhal | Cairenn: Have I ever e-mailed you? NEIN. Could I figure it our? Apparently much easier than the WoA fucktards can. |
| 09:33.23 | Cairenn | Torhal: hehehe |
| 09:33.23 | Torhal | s/our/out/ |
| 09:33.43 | Cairenn | Ya know, it's kinda funny - not one of them has contacted me yet |
| 09:33.50 | Cairenn | I think they're scared to |
| 09:33.55 | Fisker | pls Torhal |
| 09:33.59 | bluspacecow | superhotsexycairenn@wowinterface.com ? |
| 09:34.00 | AcidWeb | arton: nope |
| 09:34.05 | mikma | mails WoA about the issue that cairenn also needs love vie email |
| 09:34.08 | mikma | via* |
| 09:34.10 | Cairenn | bluspacecow: lol |
| 09:34.10 | Fisker | do you have the rights to redistribute his e-mail conversation? |
| 09:34.32 | Cairenn | also lols at mikma |
| 09:34.35 | Torhal | bluspacecow: C'mon, man - gingerwithsexinessandsoul@youknowmyaddress.com |
| 09:34.39 | Blazeflack | arton: I don't know really. Might be other stuff too |
| 09:34.39 | mikma | bluspacecow: we will not rest until we find out her gmail! |
| 09:34.40 | sintAcks | lol@wowinterface.com |
| 09:34.47 | arton | Blazeflack: k |
| 09:34.50 | bluspacecow | oh ok |
| 09:35.01 | arton | But it's broken in beta. |
| 09:35.22 | arton | good reason to get to work on installing WOW. |
| 09:35.25 | arton | :) |
| 09:35.38 | AcidWeb | arton: Yes. You dont have much time. |
| 09:35.45 | arton | The installer just exits. I can't see what it says. |
| 09:35.49 | arton | nods. |
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| 09:36.21 | Fisker | arton how can you see what anyone says? |
| 09:36.27 | arton | I don't need to renew my subscription. They still have trial accounts right? Or did gold sellers ruin that? |
| 09:36.29 | Torhal | Anyone else want to see thie e-mail gem? |
| 09:36.42 | Blazeflack | They have starter packs yes |
| 09:36.46 | Fisker | yes arton |
| 09:36.48 | Blazeflack | Unlimited time aswell |
| 09:36.52 | Torhal | Cairenn: I am sending it to the gmail account my client seems to already know |
| 09:36.53 | bluspacecow | @Torhal yes |
| 09:37.00 | Cairenn | heh |
| 09:37.00 | AcidWeb | arton: Also you can run beta without active account. |
| 09:37.01 | Torhal | bluspacecow: PM with e-mail addy |
| 09:37.01 | arton | Fisker: technicality |
| 09:37.01 | bluspacecow | @arton trial accounts can play up to level 20 |
| 09:37.10 | mikma | bleh, i should tweak my raspberry pi but ... too tired |
| 09:37.18 | bluspacecow | PM with bluespacecow@gmail.com |
| 09:37.25 | Fisker | can even play pandarens when it MoP comes out |
| 09:37.26 | bluspacecow | oh wait you meant Private Message :| |
| 09:37.29 | arton | bluspacecow: Mine's just a tooltip addon. I can test it in cities. |
| 09:37.39 | Fisker | i should sue Blizzard for false advertisement though |
| 09:37.50 | Blazeflack | Good luck with that :p |
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| 09:38.17 | Torhal | Ok - last chance: Who wants to see this extremely BIZARRE e-mail exchange between myself and WoA reps? |
| 09:38.42 | mikma | torhal: me |
| 09:38.43 | bluspacecow | is naked mud wrestling in jello and peanut butter involved ? |
| 09:38.51 | Fisker | why not just put it on one of them fancy "social networks"? |
| 09:38.52 | Torhal | mikma: PM me your e-mail, then |
| 09:38.56 | Fisker | and publically shame them |
| 09:39.02 | mikma | everything torhan does is bizarre |
| 09:39.05 | mikma | torhal* lol |
| 09:39.14 | mikma | he even got a song written after him, "Club Bizarre" |
| 09:39.25 | Torhal | mikma: Damn you - giving them your pet name for me! |
| 09:39.40 | Torhal | mikma: I'm not your favorite Martian, damn it. |
| 09:39.49 | mikma | but you could be |
| 09:39.52 | Fisker | oh god |
| 09:39.53 | mikma | cause you are not from venus |
| 09:39.54 | Fisker | do want |
| 09:40.05 | Torhal | Ok, mailing away |
| 09:40.39 | bluspacecow | Fisker wants Torhal as his favourite pet Martian ? /boggle |
| 09:40.46 | Fisker | nope bluspacecow |
| 09:40.51 | arton | Well let's give a crosstie a try. |
| 09:40.54 | Fisker | http://www.anandtech.com/show/6163/xiaomi-announces-miui-phone-mitwo-with-apq8064-inside |
| 09:40.58 | bluspacecow | oh okay. |
| 09:41.25 | Torhal | stuffs bluspacecow into a makeshift Poké Ball made from a painted Tennis ball. |
| 09:42.21 | mikma | torhal: uh |
| 09:42.29 | Torhal | mikma: Indeed. |
| 09:42.30 | AcidWeb | Torhal: uh. |
| 09:42.33 | Torhal | AcidWeb: Yup |
| 09:43.12 | arton | Here we go. Let's see if I wake up tomorrow with the installer frozen again. |
| 09:44.15 | Torhal | In no possible known reality is the behaviour exhibited in those e-mails rational. |
| 09:44.46 | arton | a rash a nail |
| 09:45.19 | Torhal | forcibly inserts live beetles into arton's code. |
| 09:45.29 | arton | :\ |
| 09:45.53 | arton | That's not even funny. This beetle bit me the other night. |
| 09:46.21 | Torhal | arton: No, that was a centipede. I'm quite sure. |
| 09:46.27 | arton | Oh damn. |
| 09:47.27 | Fisker | wow |
| 09:47.39 | arton | never played it |
| 09:47.42 | Fisker | considering that there is an infinite number of realities that must be some fucked up shit Torhal |
| 09:48.23 | Torhal | Fisker: I said "possible known" which mean a reality within which humans are non-existent. |
| 09:48.45 | Fisker | :'( |
| 09:48.52 | Torhal | Fisker: umad? |
| 09:49.03 | Fisker | umad |
| 09:49.07 | arton | Funny shit. |
| 09:49.11 | Torhal | Fisker: Indeed |
| 09:49.42 | Torhal | arton: Hmm? |
| 09:50.09 | arton | IP regulations actually being put to good use. |
| 09:50.33 | Torhal | arton: Fisker uses IPv12 |
| 09:51.01 | arton | Triple the tor. Wowzers. |
| 09:52.06 | arton | 10GB download. |
| 09:52.22 | Torhal | BTW: For anyone else who wishes to do so, I reported them for Copyright infringement via https://support.google.com/adsense/bin/request.py?contact_type=violation_report&&rd=1 |
| 09:52.52 | mikma | hmm |
| 09:52.55 | Torhal | Cairenn: Did you get the e-mail? |
| 09:52.59 | Cairenn | yeah |
| 09:53.03 | Cairenn | crazy |
| 09:53.03 | mikma | i wonder... back to play wow or not |
| 09:53.03 | Torhal | kk |
| 09:53.22 | Torhal | mikma: Fisker-stalking, IMO |
| 09:53.31 | mikma | oh that's good |
| 09:53.44 | AcidWeb | Torhal: good idea. |
| 09:53.58 | Trela | Torhal: I tossed mine in. |
| 09:54.00 | mikma | torhal: i already do stalk him daily in steam |
| 09:54.21 | Trela | I really wonder if the people at Ten Ton Hammer REALLY have no clue. |
| 09:54.27 | Torhal | Cairenn: Batshit, to be honest. The whole skirting-copyright thing plus the random donation thing. Just…wow. |
| 09:54.33 | Cairenn | yeah |
| 09:54.47 | Trela | Random donation thing? |
| 09:54.49 | arton | random donation? |
| 09:55.04 | Torhal | Trela: Oh, shit - I didn't forward my e-mail exchange to you, did I? |
| 09:55.06 | Torhal | LMAO |
| 09:55.18 | Trela | Let me check work email. |
| 09:55.28 | Torhal | Trela: I didn't |
| 09:55.33 | Trela | Nope, just the link about the Adsense. |
| 09:55.34 | Torhal | Lemme do so now |
| 09:55.37 | mikma | but torhal is a cool guy, supports child's play |
| 09:55.53 | Torhal | arton: You want to see, PM me your e-mail address |
| 09:56.35 | Trela | Oh look, tis raining! |
| 09:56.46 | Torhal | Sent |
| 09:56.46 | Amarande | Yay, three netherwing eggs so far today |
| 09:56.50 | arton | cool |
| 09:56.53 | Amarande | there's a good thing to getting up at five in the morning |
| 09:57.17 | Torhal | Cairenn: The entire time, I was thinking "OMFG, you are on the GOOD fucking drugs. Yes, you are!" |
| 09:57.26 | Amarande | yay, yet another egg. I thought these were rare? :) |
| 09:57.35 | Torhal | Amarande: They were in TBC. |
| 09:57.35 | Cairenn | yeah really |
| 09:57.43 | Fisker | they were when people gave a shit about it |
| 09:57.44 | Fisker | bam |
| 09:58.23 | Torhal | Amarande: When I went there specifically to test my WoWDB AddOn, I found them with ease. |
| 09:58.33 | Alram | shut up Fisker jeez |
| 09:58.51 | Fisker | pls why Alram ? |
| 09:59.00 | Alram | because Fisker |
| 09:59.03 | Fisker | oh ok |
| 09:59.04 | Fisker | sry |
| 09:59.23 | Cairenn | Torhal: PM |
| 09:59.50 | Trela | Torhal: Way too much shit to go through that. |
| 10:00.13 | Trela | Still wondering when I will get a response back. |
| 10:00.17 | arton | Looks like my email is slow tonight. |
| 10:04.21 | Torhal | Trela: Bah! |
| 10:04.43 | Trela | Torhal: I mean I read it, but too much shit to just get an AddOn removed. |
| 10:05.21 | Torhal | Trela: FUck "just to get an AddOn removed". I operate on principal. |
| 10:05.42 | Torhal | I want gallons of blood. |
| 10:06.06 | Torhal | Just, as I have said, to paint the warning sign for the next bath of motherfuckers. |
| 10:06.17 | Torhal | s/bath/batch/ |
| 10:06.42 | arton | Motherfuckers come in batches. |
| 10:06.57 | cbreak | wouldn't it be nice to just greylist the IPs of such batches? |
| 10:06.58 | arton | tilts. |
| 10:07.07 | cbreak | then you can send them zip bombs or similar :) |
| 10:07.14 | arton | lol |
| 10:07.17 | arton | evil |
| 10:07.35 | arton | I wonder how they plan on staying updated. |
| 10:08.08 | cbreak | by downloading new versions? :) |
| 10:10.41 | Trela | At least they keep Drupal updated with all the latest security patches. |
| 10:14.43 | Torhal | So - how many of you actually AdSense-reported their scaly arses? |
| 10:15.03 | Trela | Oh oh, me! |
| 10:15.04 | Blazeflack | I did not |
| 10:15.43 | Cairenn | The more reports Google gets, the faster they will deal with it/the more seriously they'll take the reports |
| 10:15.45 | Torhal | Blazeflack: :/ |
| 10:16.03 | Xinhuan | hmm |
| 10:16.07 | Xinhuan | well |
| 10:16.10 | Blazeflack | There has been no wrong doing involving my plugins |
| 10:16.13 | Xinhuan | if you're the owner of your addon |
| 10:16.24 | Xinhuan | you could just leave a comment on the pages containing your addon |
| 10:16.39 | Xinhuan | saying you're the author and you do not approve of it |
| 10:16.48 | Xinhuan | and see if they get deleted :) |
| 10:16.54 | Blazeflack | I think most people are angry because there is a principle involved |
| 10:16.58 | Cairenn | the comments, you mean? |
| 10:17.02 | Xinhuan | yeah |
| 10:17.12 | Xinhuan | well if the remove the addon, it would be great |
| 10:17.18 | AcidWeb | Torhal: Me. |
| 10:17.20 | Xinhuan | if they remove the comment, it would be dirty |
| 10:17.26 | Torhal | Xinhuan: Blood. There is no substitute. |
| 10:17.28 | Cairenn | yes, there's zero doubt they'll delete the comments, they were having fun deleting the posts in the thread |
| 10:17.42 | Torhal | AcidWeb: Right on! |
| 10:17.56 | Trela | I love how the news post comments now auto-hide. Trying to hide something, eh? |
| 10:18.04 | Cairenn | yep |
| 10:18.14 | Torhal | Trela: Since yesterday |
| 10:18.17 | Trela | Yep. |
| 10:19.02 | Torhal | To give them credit (or not, depending how their insanity-riddled minds interpret this shit), they didn't mass-delete. |
| 10:20.55 | Torhal | peers suriously at bluspacecow in his hot-pink yoga pants. |
| 10:21.09 | bluspacecow | :P |
| 10:21.14 | bluspacecow | *waggles* |
| 10:21.16 | Torhal | Two interpretations: seriously or curiously. |
| 10:25.18 | Xinhuan | The form has been submitted to AdSense Support. |
| 10:25.19 | Xinhuan | done |
| 10:25.28 | Torhal | Xinhuan: Many thanks. |
| 10:26.25 | Trela | Registering on Ten Ton Hammer. "CAPTCHA session reuse attack detected." Lets me register anyway. OKAY. |
| 10:26.34 | Torhal | Cairenn: I actually doubt they'll delete the AddOn comments since they apparently can't dedicate three people to undertake roughly two to three hours of verification. |
| 10:26.45 | Torhal | Trela: I got that same. |
| 10:26.49 | Cairenn | perhaps |
| 10:26.52 | Torhal | s/that/the/ |
| 10:27.46 | Xinhuan | http://worldofaddons.com/authors |
| 10:27.53 | Cairenn | yup |
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| 10:28.02 | Xinhuan | heh they acknoweledged they did receive several takedowns |
| 10:28.30 | Cairenn | "This is unfortunately necessary due to a large volume of shills (presumably from competitors) attempting to claim and takedown addons that aren't theirs" pisses me off |
| 10:29.00 | Torhal | Xinhuan: They also acknowledged that they intentionally broke Copyright. |
| 10:29.04 | Trela | I want to get all stabby. |
| 10:29.06 | cbreak | Cairenn: for someone who counts with fingers and toes, every digit counts. |
| 10:29.18 | Xinhuan | was it you who posted about class action torhal? |
| 10:29.31 | Torhal | Xinhuan: Myrroddin |
| 10:29.35 | Xinhuan | ah right |
| 10:29.40 | Xinhuan | lets see if he has any updates later |
| 10:29.42 | Cairenn | Arrowmaster that keeps suggesting it, too |
| 10:29.54 | Cairenn | iirc |
| 10:30.05 | Torhal | Cairenn: YRC |
| 10:30.07 | Torhal | :D |
| 10:30.11 | Cairenn | :) |
| 10:30.19 | bluspacecow | last 2 paragraphs on the authors page wasn't originally there |
| 10:30.35 | bluspacecow | and neither was the start pargraph either |
| 10:31.41 | Cairenn | In many ways, I -almost- wish I had a wow addon that they ripped. I'd love to get in on the class action/suit :p |
| 10:32.03 | starlon | Pure comedy. These guys are clueless. |
| 10:32.06 | Cairenn | Lord knows I could use the money :p |
| 10:32.15 | cbreak | all my wow addons are bsd licensed. |
| 10:32.52 | cbreak | (and most of them are outdated too :) |
| 10:35.36 | Torhal | Trela: Based on he e-mail exchange I forwarded to you…what's your sanity rating toward them? |
| 10:35.41 | Trela | WTF |
| 10:35.44 | Torhal | the* |
| 10:35.53 | Torhal | lol |
| 10:35.56 | Trela | Also... I swear this dl.php is going to let me download their configuration. |
| 10:36.07 | Trela | Their site can not be that bad. >_> |
| 10:36.18 | Xinhuan | download their configuration? huh |
| 10:36.28 | Cairenn | oh, did you see when their dev site was found? |
| 10:36.32 | Cairenn | Trela |
| 10:36.41 | Trela | Cairenn: This? Notice: Undefined index: file in main() (line 74 of /www/content/htdocs/dev.subsites.tentonhammer.com/sites/worldofaddons.com/modules/custom/woa_dl_counter/dl.php). |
| 10:37.47 | Cairenn | no, this |
| 10:37.48 | Cairenn | http://noahb.dev.tentonhammer.com/ |
| 10:38.04 | Torhal | Trela: I found that gem last night. |
| 10:38.11 | Trela | Nice. XD |
| 10:38.13 | Xinhuan | haha |
| 10:38.37 | Torhal | VPM? Anyone? Bueller? |
| 10:38.45 | Xinhuan | found any difference on that dev site? |
| 10:38.46 | Torhal | VPN* |
| 10:38.54 | Torhal | Xinhuan: Didn't look |
| 10:39.02 | Cairenn | well, last night it didn't have the null cross that was on the live page :p |
| 10:39.12 | Cairenn | that was just fucking bizarre |
| 10:39.15 | Torhal | Cairenn: Today, live lacked the null |
| 10:39.20 | Cairenn | yeah |
| 10:39.42 | bluspacecow | I wonder how hard EveryQuest will break when 5.0.4 comes out. |
| 10:39.56 | Cairenn | anyway guys, it's going on 7am, I really should do that silly thing called sleeping |
| 10:40.05 | Torhal | bluspacecow: Unless the new API was taken into account? Hard. |
| 10:40.21 | Torhal | Cairenn: Joykill! |
| 10:40.32 | Cairenn|afk | talk to you guys in a few hours |
| 10:40.38 | Torhal | yar |
| 10:40.39 | Xinhuan | bb |
| 10:40.40 | bluspacecow | kk |
| 10:43.32 | bluspacecow | so i googled fishing buddy |
| 10:43.34 | bluspacecow | and found http://www.fishingbuddygirls.com/ |
| 10:43.47 | Torhal | makes a donation in arton's name. |
| 10:44.00 | Torhal | bluspacecow: Dat ass! |
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| 10:51.43 | starlon | intercepts the donation. |
| 10:53.25 | Torhal | uploads starlon to WoA. |
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| 10:57.19 | arton | Cairenn|afk: Are beta invites still available to addon authors? |
| 10:57.28 | Cairenn|afk | yes |
| 10:57.40 | arton | cool |
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| 10:57.58 | arton | Is there a webform? |
| 10:58.34 | Cairenn|afk | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43575 |
| 11:05.37 | arton | Cairenn|afk: I'm having trouble with this. It keeps asking me to login or register before going any further than the intro page. http://www.wowinterface.com/beta.php I'm logged in. When I click the linkn to log in, it just takes me to wowi's community page. |
| 11:05.47 | bluspacecow | ... |
| 11:05.57 | Cairenn|afk | arton: PM |
| 11:06.00 | bluspacecow | y u no sleepy Cairenn|afk |
| 11:06.00 | arton | k |
| 11:06.03 | Cairenn|afk | points at the other window |
| 11:06.24 | bluspacecow | i has no windows within view. i have to walk into another room for that :P |
| 11:06.36 | arton | Cairenn|afk: PM on IRC? |
| 11:06.40 | Cairenn|afk | yes |
| 11:08.15 | mikma | cairenn|afk: what do i need to do to get a beta invite? :P |
| 11:09.36 | Humbedooh | make a good addon? :| |
| 11:09.45 | mikma | oh i already have |
| 11:09.51 | mikma | haven't just updated any of them in a while |
| 11:09.54 | Cairenn|afk | mikma: mod on the site that's current? |
| 11:10.27 | mikma | cairenn|afk: oh do i have to, all my addons work and i don't need to update/upload the ones i care.. lol! |
| 11:10.45 | Cairenn|afk | just update the toc on one of 'em :p |
| 11:10.55 | Cairenn|afk | if it still works |
| 11:11.05 | Trela | Username: tth - Password: suit9leak |
| 11:11.22 | Cairenn|afk | lol |
| 11:11.42 | Trela | Wireshark is fun. :D |
| 11:11.47 | mikma | when is the pandarean coming out |
| 11:11.58 | Gnarfoz | when MoP is released |
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| 11:12.00 | Cairenn|afk | bluspacecow: because, as usual, if I tell people I'm going to sleep, all of a sudden people need to talk to me |
| 11:12.17 | Cairenn|afk | MoP scheduled 25 Sept, 5.0 probably in a couple weeks |
| 11:12.58 | mikma | then i don't see any point of getting the beta, lololo |
| 11:13.07 | Gnarfoz | still time to fix addons |
| 11:13.08 | Cairenn|afk | fine then, don't :p |
| 11:13.15 | mikma | ok fine, i won't! |
| 11:13.19 | Cairenn|afk | good! |
| 11:13.26 | mikma | it is! |
| 11:13.34 | Cairenn|afk | alright then! |
| 11:13.46 | mikma | go to bed! |
| 11:13.54 | Cairenn|afk | you can't make me! |
| 11:13.58 | Gnarfoz | what's the easiest way to get the APK for an app in the Play store |
| 11:14.00 | Gnarfoz | ? :\ |
| 11:14.20 | mikma | cairenn|afk: why would i even want to force you into bed... |
| 11:14.24 | Gnarfoz | I want to put Titanium Backup's APK on my external sd card somewhere so I can sideload it without having associated my Google account with my phone |
| 11:14.27 | mikma | woudln't that be... kinda illegal |
| 11:14.37 | Cairenn|afk | mikma: *snicker* |
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| 11:15.30 | mikma | cairenn|afk: twix is also good, with coffee |
| 11:16.24 | mikma | oh motherbitch, i hate the bf3 autobalance sometimes... i was whooping 13 kills 0 death with sniper and the game decided to autobalance me into the losing team :P there goes my killing spree |
| 11:16.49 | mckenziemc | qq |
| 11:17.11 | mikma | mckenziemc: oh don't cry. it's ok |
| 11:18.41 | mckenziemc | i can't help it mikma, finnish make me tear up |
| 11:18.58 | arton | When is the expansion released? ON the 25th? |
| 11:19.02 | mckenziemc | anyway back to work |
| 11:19.08 | Stanzilla | Trela: how is that SQLi coming along? |
| 11:19.18 | Trela | Stanzilla: Poor. |
| 11:19.31 | Stanzilla | :( |
| 11:19.40 | Stanzilla | that would have been fun |
| 11:19.57 | Gnarfoz | would've actually made everyone look stupid |
| 11:20.17 | mikma | yeah i understand mckenziemc's problem, he's crying because he can't never be as cool as anyone in finland :) |
| 11:24.18 | bluspacecow | @arton August 28th for the 5.0.4 patch with 5.xx api changes , Sept 25th for the expansion |
| 11:24.23 | bluspacecow | and without that I go bai bais |
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| 11:32.01 | Amarande | yeah, I'm glad the API changes patch comes out the day it does. that's what I was hoping for, actually :) |
| 11:32.34 | Amarande | This means that I get to mostly be at Dragon Con while the addon authors iron out the last issues, rather than having to put up with a rickety UI for the first week. |
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| 11:39.14 | Vladinator | need to ask about curseforge SVN tagging, anyone? |
| 11:40.14 | Gnarfoz | ~asktoask |
| 11:40.14 | purl | Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help, if they can. |
| 11:40.22 | Gnarfoz | (also, #curseforge #wowace) |
| 11:42.35 | Vladinator | I know I tag by copying to /tags/X and doing "Tagging as X" where X is my version like "Myaddon 1.2" |
| 11:42.41 | Vladinator | but how do I define if it's alpha, beta, e.g.? |
| 11:43.30 | Vladinator | ah wait now, I think I found my answer :P |
| 11:44.22 | Vladinator | "Tagging as v1.7.2 release" |
| 11:44.24 | Vladinator | for example :) |
| 11:45.43 | Stanzilla | put alpha in the name and it's an alpha |
| 11:45.43 | Stanzilla | etc |
| 11:49.24 | arton | What's top ilvl now? non-pvp |
| 11:49.26 | Gnarfoz | alpha doesn't work that way |
| 11:49.49 | Vladinator | alpha is just not tagging any type |
| 11:50.01 | Vladinator | "Tagging as v1.7.2" auto alpha :3 |
| 11:50.27 | Vladinator | any ways to not include changelog In generated zip? |
| 11:50.30 | Gnarfoz | Vladinator: you want http://www.wowace.com/wiki/repositories/repository-faq/#w-how-does-the-packager-know-whether-a-tag-is-a-release |
| 11:50.50 | Gnarfoz | (no idea about the changelog, I don't think so. maybe there's something in the docs, see above) |
| 11:51.53 | Gnarfoz | basically, "no tag" (just a build) is "alpha" (if you have packaging set to "alphas, betas and releases") |
| 11:51.59 | Gnarfoz | any tag that doesn't match that regex is a beta |
| 11:52.04 | Gnarfoz | any tag that does, is a release |
| 11:52.40 | wereHamster | what about gamma releases? |
| 11:52.56 | Gnarfoz | what about omega releases |
| 11:53.06 | wereHamster | how do I tag those? |
| 11:53.23 | Gnarfoz | with an especially fat marker |
| 11:59.01 | arton | I tag my releases with higgs boson. |
| 11:59.09 | Stanzilla | arton: 416 |
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| 11:59.51 | Stanzilla | Vladinator: there is a pkgmeta entry for changelogs |
| 12:09.49 | Torhal | Just... |
| 12:09.51 | Torhal | Fucking WOW |
| 12:09.53 | Torhal | http://worldofaddons.com/directors-letter-aug-2012 |
| 12:10.45 | Torhal | My head just ASPLODED at the insanity. |
| 12:10.59 | Torhal | Cairenn|afk: When you wake up...^ |
| 12:14.42 | AcidWeb | K. If they donate 10m |
| 12:14.47 | AcidWeb | They can host my REFlex. |
| 12:15.02 | Vladinator | Short version: "Hey sorry we stole your stuff, now, let's make up by having you donate money to Child's Play, just contact our staff and we'll help you get going. We now hope you are happy." |
| 12:16.01 | Vladinator | If they donate a resonable amount to make up for what they did by showing it's not about profit, yada yada, but I doubt they will donate anything, if anything I think they just wanna be the middle man and promisse the money will go to the charity but 80% of the revenue of donations probably won't make it out their door. :P |
| 12:16.11 | Torhal | Vladinator: Short version "We have NO fucking clue why everything is going so badly for us. HERE! PUPPIES!" |
| 12:17.31 | Vladinator | Torhal, that TV you just bought stopped working and it's our fault, we agree, let's make up by having you join a charity donation, we shall too, now hope everything is okay between us! |
| 12:18.38 | Torhal | Vladinator: The Kool-Aid. Put it down. Now, back away. Slowly. |
| 12:18.40 | Fisker | pls Torhal |
| 12:18.47 | Torhal | cattle-prods Vladinator. |
| 12:18.53 | Fisker | it's your fault for feeling like you weren't communicated with properly |
| 12:19.08 | Torhal | donates Fisker to PedoBear Play. |
| 12:19.45 | cbreak | broken TV? Don't despair! http://tvtropes.org/ to the rescue! |
| 12:19.55 | Vladinator | lol |
| 12:23.53 | Fisker | why Torhal ? |
| 12:23.59 | Fisker | it's obviously you being completely unreasonable |
| 12:24.15 | Fisker | we're just trying to do a good thing here, look we're even donating to charities |
| 12:24.38 | Torhal | Fisker: Oh, well, then…prove that you're actually Fisker and also `FISKER_Q, and I'll look into addressing your fears. |
| 12:24.51 | Vladinator | torhal I did write you a sticky note telling you I'd take your car if you didn't write a sticky note back to me within a week, you didn't so now the car is legally mine, even if I don't really own the documents. |
| 12:25.15 | Torhal | Vladinator: FFS, I finally don't have to pay that fucking payment. |
| 12:25.36 | Vladinator | sorry if you felt ripped off, look, I'll donate to charity and I hope you join me too, hey, you get started just contact me and give me your donation and I'll help you! |
| 12:27.40 | Torhal | A friend of mine said he felt that he should mirror their website, then craft an e-mail that was sure to hit spam filters saying that if they didn't respond he'd host their site. |
| 12:28.44 | Vladinator | n a more serious note, when GetTop and GetBottom return nil, how can I avoid that or work around that issue? |
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| 12:29.08 | Vladinator | already thinking of checking parents until the foremost parent that I care of, if that is still nil then maybe GetCursorPosition? but the x and why are a bit weird... |
| 12:31.15 | Torhal | Vladinator: When they return nil, you have a frame which has no dimensions - its display is dictated solely by its anchoring to its parent. |
| 12:31.36 | Vladinator | aw man |
| 12:31.46 | Vladinator | because I use a GameTooltip, and I expanded it by adding elements to it |
| 12:32.07 | Vladinator | but since the behavior is so you can't really later override it's dimensions it formats based on the lines it contains, not objects, :( |
| 12:32.42 | Torhal | :/ |
| 12:33.01 | Torhal | Ok, pass-out time. |
| 12:33.03 | AcidWeb | Good |
| 12:33.14 | Torhal | AcidWeb: :/ |
| 12:33.22 | AcidWeb | I like that announcement. |
| 12:33.33 | AcidWeb | Now i have two more mails to spam. |
| 12:33.45 | AcidWeb | Torhal: I was not talking to you :-) |
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| 12:43.05 | AcidWeb | http://www.worldofaddons.com/wow/reflex-arenabattleground-historian#comment-22 |
| 12:43.10 | AcidWeb | Now we will see. |
| 12:43.12 | pompy | "As a gesture of good will towards the community as a whole, we would like to make donations to the Child's Play charity on behalf of the mod authors who for whatever reason feel that we did not communicate with them prior to launch." |
| 12:43.21 | pompy | "for whatever reason" |
| 12:43.23 | pompy | ha |
| 12:43.25 | AcidWeb | How long that comment will last. |
| 12:44.03 | neutronimity | this site is bugged. |
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| 12:55.58 | AcidWeb | OK. John Hoskin - Creative Director atlast respond. |
| 12:56.11 | neutronimity | Guy from the offending site? |
| 12:56.23 | AcidWeb | Dont waste time on contact form use their private emails. |
| 12:56.27 | AcidWeb | Yes. |
| 12:56.30 | pompy | haha |
| 12:56.53 | pompy | do you think them donating to charity will solve this in people |
| 12:56.55 | pompy | 's eyes? |
| 12:57.47 | AcidWeb | Poor PR stunt. |
| 12:58.14 | Xinhuan | Vladinator, you could try adding a child frame to that gametooltip |
| 12:58.47 | Xinhuan | if that child has a defined size, and anchored in a certain way, getTop and getbottom on it might work |
| 12:58.52 | Xinhuan | on that child |
| 12:59.02 | Xinhuan | just guessing :P |
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| 12:59.29 | bluspacecow | http://worldofaddons.com/directors-letter-aug-2012 |
| 12:59.32 | bluspacecow | i lolzed |
| 12:59.39 | Xinhuan | yeah that's been linked about 10 times here |
| 12:59.44 | Xinhuan | and in the other 2 channels |
| 12:59.45 | Xinhuan | :P |
| 12:59.51 | bluspacecow | i see |
| 12:59.55 | bluspacecow | in other words |
| 12:59.57 | bluspacecow | "old" |
| 13:00.16 | Xinhuan | there's been some pretty good analogies flying around the chat ^_^ |
| 13:00.34 | bluspacecow | deluded ? retarded ? "thepcial" |
| 13:00.52 | Humbedooh | yes, especially thepcial has been flying around, cow |
| 13:01.16 | Humbedooh | or maybe not :| |
| 13:01.25 | Humbedooh | eats a kiwi |
| 13:01.43 | bluspacecow | how about this --> http://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/tentonhammer.com/comment#comment |
| 13:02.30 | Xinhuan | whats "wot" |
| 13:02.49 | bluspacecow | generally ? or what it's in refrence to ? |
| 13:02.55 | Xinhuan | the url |
| 13:02.55 | Ressy | web of trust. |
| 13:02.57 | Xinhuan | domain name |
| 13:03.11 | Ressy | If someone has it installed (its an addon) it tells them about the site before they go to it. |
| 13:03.33 | Ressy | if its poorly rated, it won't load anything on the site, and the user has to manually allow the site to load. |
| 13:03.43 | Xinhuan | ah |
| 13:03.49 | Ressy | Sorta like google's offering. |
| 13:04.00 | Ressy | but this works through chrome, ff, ie.. |
| 13:16.13 | mikma | oh sweet, avengers dvdrip |
| 13:17.12 | Humbedooh | gasp, illegalities! |
| 13:18.57 | mikma | where, where?!?!???!??!????!?!?!?1+1++1++1++111++ |
| 13:19.26 | Vladinator | does the packager use a lot of time to package, or? it's just sometimes its instant, sometimes I don't see any file uploads... |
| 13:19.34 | Vladinator | (curse) |
| 13:19.41 | bluspacecow | http://twitter.com/bluspacecow/status/236814167905034240 |
| 13:19.52 | Xinhuan | when you tag, it is added to a queue |
| 13:20.03 | Xinhuan | the queue is checked regularly for pending packaging jobs |
| 13:20.16 | bluspacecow | or never for when the packager goes down. |
| 13:20.31 | Xinhuan | the packager status can be found at the home page |
| 13:20.46 | Xinhuan | i think |
| 13:20.58 | bluspacecow | on wowace.com ? |
| 13:21.11 | Xinhuan | don't really remember |
| 13:21.21 | bluspacecow | me neither! |
| 13:21.24 | Vladinator | do I break it if I retag the same tag? :P |
| 13:21.29 | bluspacecow | \:P/ |
| 13:21.36 | Xinhuan | you can't retag the same tag :P |
| 13:21.43 | Xinhuan | neither svn or git allows it |
| 13:21.44 | Vladinator | can if I remove the tag first |
| 13:22.03 | Xinhuan | i'm not sure :P |
| 13:22.23 | Vladinator | deleted the copy from /tags and trying to tag again now :P |
| 13:23.10 | nevcairiel | that will most likely cause more harm then good |
| 13:23.26 | nevcairiel | you should never ever under any circumstance touch a tag after the fact |
| 13:24.20 | Xinhuan | if its bad, i would have expected a commit hook to disable tag deletion :P |
| 13:24.55 | Vladinator | ye, I figure if it's bad there would be ruleset to prevent me from trying ^^ |
| 13:24.59 | bluspacecow | http://twitter.com/nagoul1/status/236812066109927424/photo/1 |
| 13:25.03 | Xinhuan | or it can be deleted but maybe the re-tag might get rejected |
| 13:25.11 | Xinhuan | who knows! |
| 13:25.22 | Vladinator | I can say it worked to retag a while ago, same tag, e.g. |
| 13:25.31 | Vladinator | but now it didn't, but then I did a new tag adding a decimal more and it works :P |
| 13:27.00 | Xinhuan | well, its a different tag |
| 13:27.57 | Vladinator | ye, but same tag worked earlier, but nvm, it's not a problem |
| 13:29.15 | Vladinator | Xinhuan: look http://vlacula.no-ip.com/curserss/index.php?username=Xinhuan we need something like this for curseforge/wowace :( |
| 13:30.21 | Xinhuan | that looks like a nearly blank page to me :) |
| 13:30.40 | Vladinator | lol, weird |
| 13:30.53 | Xinhuan | or rather, its a feed that contains 0 items |
| 13:31.00 | Vladinator | look at the source |
| 13:31.01 | Vladinator | :3 |
| 13:31.05 | Vladinator | should be there |
| 13:31.36 | Xinhuan | nope, just an empty page, apart from the firefox thingy that says |
| 13:31.41 | Xinhuan | subscribe using <dropdown> |
| 13:31.52 | Xinhuan | the source html does contain loads of stuff |
| 13:32.53 | Xinhuan | also, i have no scripts of any kind enabled in firefox |
| 13:33.04 | Xinhuan | nor any plugin installed |
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| 13:35.15 | Ressy | DMCA form to google: https://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/dmca-notice?pli=1&&rd=1 |
| 13:36.33 | Xinhuan | i'll say something isn't loading/displayed right Vladinator, maybe u can check it out (i'll assume you don't use FF) |
| 13:36.47 | Vladinator | ye |
| 13:36.55 | Vladinator | give me a moment :D |
| 13:42.09 | Vladinator | weird, new bug in FF? because this hasn't been an issue before, heading is proper, format is okay too :P |
| 13:42.22 | Vladinator | http://vlacula.no-ip.com/curserss/index.php?username=Vladinator but it works if I do myself, hehe |
| 13:42.35 | Vladinator | perhaps something to do with the content, but its htmlentities escaped and such, hmm... |
| 13:43.03 | AcidWeb | Vladinator: On chrome it donwload index.php |
| 13:43.18 | Vladinator | try now AcidWeb |
| 13:43.32 | AcidWeb | No diffrence |
| 13:43.41 | Vladinator | now? |
| 13:43.47 | Xinhuan | i'm using v15.0 if that matters |
| 13:43.47 | Vladinator | nvm |
| 13:43.48 | Vladinator | lol |
| 13:44.32 | Xinhuan | and it also now prompts me to download a index.php :P |
| 13:44.56 | bluspacecow | i installed slick RSS in chrome |
| 13:45.01 | Gnarfoz | that's great |
| 13:45.01 | bluspacecow | and can see the feed |
| 13:45.02 | bluspacecow | sort of |
| 13:45.03 | Fisker | Stop signing me up for newsletters Torhal |
| 13:47.33 | bluspacecow | oh hey works find in Slick Rss |
| 13:50.58 | Vladinator | maybe it hates CDATA :P |
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| 13:54.53 | Vladinator | anyway my point was, need an author rss feed to help track certain aspects of our addons |
| 13:55.07 | Vladinator | tickets, comments, stuff like that, easier to see when new thing arrive |
| 13:55.09 | Adys | Maldivia: is 16004 up on the patch servers yet? Im not seeing it |
| 13:55.22 | bluspacecow | hmmm |
| 13:55.43 | bluspacecow | to download or actually in game ? |
| 13:55.58 | Adys | to download |
| 13:56.13 | bluspacecow | *starts up beta* |
| 13:56.15 | bluspacecow | Both ! |
| 13:56.29 | Ressy | ? |
| 13:56.30 | Adys | 0/122 files |
| 13:56.30 | Adys | WoWB::enUS |
| 13:56.43 | bluspacecow | http://pastebin.com/wqYiaaMH |
| 13:57.01 | Adys | do you see those in an mfil or do you just check the urls directly? |
| 13:57.09 | bluspacecow | it's based on 15890.direct you still have 15827.direct |
| 13:57.20 | bluspacecow | i just took the last build URLs and changed them the 16004 |
| 13:57.54 | Adys | mfilUrl='http://dist.blizzard.com.edgesuite.net/wow-pod/beta/0E1FFF21/NA/15890.direct/wowb-15983-A583C4FBE9CB0828A9E861767945EF55.mfil' |
| 13:57.57 | bluspacecow | oh wait it's not live yet sowwwwwy. it's still on 15983 here |
| 13:58.16 | Adys | right |
| 13:58.22 | bluspacecow | mmo champion twittered the new build number earlier |
| 13:58.31 | bluspacecow | he he :) |
| 13:58.40 | Adys | yeah i figured |
| 13:58.52 | Adys | i didnt know blizz was still holding builds back |
| 13:59.13 | Ressy | Its early there... |
| 13:59.14 | bluspacecow | my login screen stills hows 15983 |
| 13:59.28 | Ressy | Don't they usually do beta builds during the day/early evening? |
| 14:05.44 | wereHamster | Adys: why did I misread mfilUrl as milfUrl? -.- |
| 14:06.00 | Adys | because you're into that sort of thing |
| 14:07.25 | bluspacecow | you kinky animal you |
| 14:07.30 | bluspacecow | my kind of guy :P |
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| 14:20.15 | Ackis | I'm sick please kill me :( |
| 14:20.28 | Ackis | Ressy: I had a dream about you |
| 14:20.40 | mckenziemc | o.o |
| 14:20.52 | bluspacecow | *plays barry manilow records for Ackis* |
| 14:21.10 | Ackis | wasn't THAT kind of dream |
| 14:21.14 | Ackis | you were in it too bluspacecow |
| 14:21.22 | Ackis | (PS PLAY SIM CITY SOCIAL) |
| 14:21.27 | mckenziemc | was purl in it? |
| 14:21.29 | mckenziemc | ~smackis |
| 14:21.30 | purl | ACTION smacks Ackis. |
| 14:21.48 | bluspacecow | no play chefville |
| 14:22.03 | Ackis | chefville sounds lame |
| 14:22.12 | bluspacecow | its got cool music |
| 14:22.20 | bluspacecow | seriously I leave it up while playing wow |
| 14:22.22 | bluspacecow | very jazzy |
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| 14:22.28 | Ackis | I don't listen to music on facebook games |
| 14:22.40 | bluspacecow | YOU MONSTER :( |
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| 14:23.33 | Ackis | at least accept my requests |
| 14:23.35 | Ackis | :D |
| 14:23.47 | bluspacecow | alright inna minute |
| 14:24.11 | Ackis | you got 30 seconds! ;) |
| 14:24.25 | A-KO | thinking about switching my router to a fortigate off of Juniper |
| 14:24.32 | A-KO | unless Juniper really puts something into the segment |
| 14:25.30 | Ressy | I don't wanna know Ackis |
| 14:25.42 | bluspacecow | oh oh |
| 14:25.46 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:26.01 | bluspacecow | will we need umbrellas for this dream Ackis ? |
| 14:26.11 | mckenziemc | *shines spotlight on bluspacecow* |
| 14:26.15 | bluspacecow | O_O |
| 14:26.19 | bluspacecow | *runs* |
| 14:26.22 | Vladinator | ~shower bluspacecow |
| 14:26.22 | purl | *sniff* *sniff* hmmm, bluspacecow, you smell awful... you need a shower ASAP! |
| 14:26.38 | Ackis | Ressy: sure sure you don't :P |
| 14:26.38 | Vladinator | no purl, I wanted to litteraly shower bluspacecow... |
| 14:26.57 | Ackis | it was something online, and I believe you were in a long list of people making fun of me... so my dream represents reality |
| 14:27.04 | Ressy | lol |
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| 14:29.18 | mckenziemc | "cust req. that paper box at end of drive" |
| 14:29.20 | mckenziemc | o.o? |
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| 14:31.08 | mckenziemc | sorry bluspacecow but they requested we move your home |
| 14:31.25 | alestane | To space? |
| 14:34.49 | bluspacecow | yay |
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| 14:38.12 | Ackis | HOLY SHIT |
| 14:38.17 | Ackis | someone apologized to me on the internet |
| 14:38.24 | bluspacecow | oh my |
| 14:39.23 | mckenziemc | i'm sorry ackis :( |
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| 15:03.10 | Fisker | hey Ackis |
| 15:03.12 | Fisker | like me? |
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| 15:19.15 | Fisker | lol'd |
| 15:19.31 | Fisker | so since my screenshot on Steam community is the current most popular screenshot |
| 15:19.48 | Fisker | i've had like a bazillion logins on my VPS since i link to my site on my steam profile |
| 15:19.58 | Fisker | poor russians |
| 15:20.08 | Fisker | trying to find my password :( |
| 15:23.30 | bluspacecow | they mad ? |
| 15:26.32 | arton | they bluspacecow mad |
| 15:28.20 | Kaylin | redspacecow? |
| 15:29.27 | arton | once in a red moon |
| 15:32.03 | bluspacecow | i jump in a giant vat of strawberries every red moons |
| 15:32.36 | arton | pours chocolate fudge over bluspacecow. |
| 15:32.40 | Fisker | Aug 18 17:10:02 ubantoo sshd[2767]: Failed password for root from 94.230.35.34 port 59790 ssh2 |
| 15:32.40 | Fisker | Aug 18 17:10:04 ubantoo sshd[2769]: Failed password for root from 94.230.35.34 port 59996 ssh2 |
| 15:32.40 | Fisker | Aug 18 17:10:07 ubantoo sshd[2771]: Failed password for root from 94.230.35.34 port 60183 ssh2 |
| 15:32.40 | Fisker | Aug 18 17:10:09 ubantoo sshd[2773]: Failed password for root from 94.230.35.34 port 60384 ssh2 |
| 15:32.40 | Fisker | Aug 18 17:10:12 ubantoo sshd[2775]: Failed password for root from 94.230.35.34 port 60566 ssh2 |
| 15:32.42 | Fisker | so russians |
| 15:32.48 | arton | stabs Risker. |
| 15:32.55 | arton | FUCK |
| 15:32.57 | arton | lol |
| 15:33.07 | arton | Poor Risker. |
| 15:33.08 | Fisker | 1 password every 3 seconds is pretty terrible anyway |
| 15:33.08 | cbreak | riker? |
| 15:33.10 | kullervo | are you even allowing root login on connect anyway? |
| 15:33.21 | Fisker | technically i am kullervo |
| 15:33.28 | Fisker | i've been too lazy to turn it off |
| 15:33.51 | Fisker | probably gonna look at that today |
| 15:34.01 | arton | see what red moons cause? |
| 15:34.10 | nevcairiel | just setup fail2ban, reduces his trys a bit :p |
| 15:34.17 | Fisker | i just did :P |
| 15:34.24 | Fisker | it's this standard image from hetzner |
| 15:34.30 | Fisker | sets up a root user instead of a normal user |
| 15:34.33 | kullervo | nevcairiel: I remember when I'd just installed that and had a few too many drinks |
| 15:35.02 | nevcairiel | probably better that you didnt get onto your server drunk anyway! |
| 15:35.16 | kullervo | haha, yes, as I found another time! |
| 15:35.59 | kullervo | "boot access is root access" |
| 15:35.59 | Kaylin | yea, configuring computers when drunk always seems to lead to "man, you know what would be hilarious?" |
| 15:36.35 | arton | wants to send out a DMCA complaint, but his addon wasn't even stolen. :( |
| 15:36.46 | kullervo | Kaylin: my latest idea was to set up a script to make the server scream when either the ethernet or power was disconnected |
| 15:36.53 | Kaylin | haha :D |
| 15:37.08 | kullervo | but I couldn't figure how to technically make that happen |
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| 15:38.29 | Gnarfoz | also, turn off password login Fisker |
| 15:38.31 | kullervo | imagine though, someone accidentally unplugs the cord, they'd hear a metallic cry like they'd physically hurt the device |
| 15:38.31 | Gnarfoz | pubkey ftw |
| 15:38.45 | arton | dazzles the performance. |
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| 15:39.05 | Kaylin | I have a power strip that has the most annoying alarm if you plug it in to a non-grounded outlet |
| 15:39.06 | Kaylin | it's cute. |
| 15:39.15 | arton | lmao |
| 15:39.22 | arton | I don't have grounded outlets here. |
| 15:39.42 | arton | I've got my computer's outlet grounded though |
| 15:40.06 | arton | just run a cable outdoor and buried it deep |
| 15:40.10 | Kaylin | it's some ancient beige industrial menace, steel with an alarm, I have no idea where I got it. |
| 15:40.12 | kullervo | my server's a "slightly" stripped laptop |
| 15:40.24 | arton | hehe |
| 15:40.31 | kullervo | 4-hour UPS, beat that |
| 15:40.44 | arton | Our very own super-computer the size of a thumb-drive. |
| 15:40.47 | Kaylin | 4 hours? my laptop is down to zero seconds of battery life |
| 15:41.22 | kullervo | I've got no idea what you people do with those batteries |
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| 15:42.14 | Kaylin | it's 8 years old =/ never been replaced, atm the battery serves to balance the laptop when not on a desk so I can hold it, without it the weight is too far distributed to the back of the machine. |
| 15:42.33 | Kaylin | it's an important feature >_> |
| 15:42.54 | kullervo | this one's from 2007 I think! |
| 15:45.04 | Gnarfoz | have you actually unplugged it recently? |
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| 15:48.34 | kullervo | yeah |
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| 15:51.18 | Adys | If the dialog says "Read about the executable bit", with a hyperlink, try clicking on the hyperlink and reading about the executable bit. |
| 15:51.27 | Adys | the wine faq needs some work. |
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| 15:52.33 | Fisker | anyone seen if someone named stewox has joined here? |
| 15:52.45 | Fisker | apparently he spambombed me |
| 15:53.06 | Fisker | ah found him |
| 15:53.42 | Adys | bomb? |
| 15:53.44 | Adys | who said bomb? |
| 15:53.46 | Adys | SEARCH THIS MAN |
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| 16:01.16 | bluspacecow | *searchs adys* |
| 16:01.46 | bluspacecow | a bit of cotton , 45 c , and a bit of string |
| 16:06.08 | Arrowmaster | Ackis: you there |
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| 16:40.24 | bluspacecow | @akis im in your city. clicking your stuff |
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| 17:02.33 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: I'm here now |
| 17:02.38 | Ackis | bluspacecow: you spelled my name wrong :( |
| 17:02.50 | bluspacecow | lol |
| 17:02.53 | bluspacecow | u mad |
| 17:03.20 | Ackis | no |
| 17:07.19 | Fisker | hey Ackis |
| 17:07.21 | Fisker | umad? |
| 17:07.57 | Ackis | no i'm sikc |
| 17:08.10 | bluspacecow | hey |
| 17:08.12 | bluspacecow | hey ackis |
| 17:08.16 | bluspacecow | you noodley ? |
| 17:08.35 | Ackis | I hate you all |
| 17:09.19 | bluspacecow | *dumps ackis in a vat of chicken soup* |
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| 17:11.17 | Fisker | hey kd3 |
| 17:11.19 | Fisker | don't hate |
| 17:12.31 | Arrowmaster | Ackis: i dont need you anymore, the promotion i found is already over |
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| 17:14.34 | Ackis | sorry |
| 17:15.58 | Arrowmaster | it was over when i msged you |
| 17:17.39 | Ackis | still sorry |
| 17:18.08 | Fisker | hey Ackis |
| 17:18.16 | Ackis | what Fisker? |
| 17:18.23 | Fisker | keeping you company |
| 17:18.48 | Fisker | isn't that sweet of me? |
| 17:20.05 | Ackis | I need my wife home so she can take care of me :( |
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| 17:26.42 | Ackis | anyone have a list of account wide vs non-account wide achievements out there yet? |
| 17:28.04 | Fisker | Blizzard does Ackis |
| 17:28.06 | Fisker | oh snap |
| 17:28.40 | nevcairiel | "Most achievements are account-wide", quoted blizzard for you there =p |
| 17:28.57 | Ackis | a lot aren't though, just curious which ones |
| 17:30.20 | Adys | someone brought this screenshot up as a point against google's new dmca system: http://i.imgur.com/AbfHw.jpg |
| 17:30.32 | Adys | And then promptly got hit by the woosh-truck |
| 17:34.39 | Vladinator | hmm, I've tried extract the latest beta dbc files but the issue I encounter is that I can't find a proper way to get them out from the mpqs. :/ |
| 17:34.51 | Adys | Vladinator: stormlib |
| 17:35.07 | Adys | Vladinator: https://github.com/adys/python-mpq hf |
| 17:36.04 | bluspacecow | Ladiks MPQ editor |
| 17:36.15 | Adys | is built on top of stormlib |
| 17:36.26 | Adys | but i think he wants something you can use programmatically |
| 17:36.30 | Adys | although it does have a cli |
| 17:37.48 | Vladinator | I originally used ladiks, with patching options, but a lot of the files extracted are 0 bytes (not patched correctly), and I tried many combinations for what I used as base mpq but the results aren't 100% correct, so I used the one way I got most of them out properly, but not all. (: |
| 17:38.36 | Adys | you're not using it correctly then |
| 17:38.50 | Adys | you need a proper and complete patch chain |
| 17:38.56 | Adys | and fyi, 0-byte files are deleted files |
| 17:39.03 | Adys | it has an option to skip them |
| 17:39.09 | Fisker | he should kill himself Adys |
| 17:39.13 | Adys | yes, he should |
| 17:39.20 | Adys | in fact lets kill him ourselves |
| 17:39.29 | Fisker | that shit is worse than having 10 toolbars taking up half the screen |
| 17:40.03 | Vladinator | lol |
| 17:40.22 | Adys | Fisker: fuck, i know |
| 17:40.31 | Vladinator | do locale dir come last or before the files in the data dir? |
| 17:40.53 | bluspacecow | @Ackis http://gamersunite.coolchaser.com/games/simcity-social/myfeed |
| 17:40.54 | bluspacecow | :P |
| 17:41.01 | Adys | Vladinator: i believe mpqedit only lets you patch one base mpq at a time, not create a whole environment |
| 17:41.29 | Adys | Vladinator: so you pick your base mpq (in your case, <locale>/locale-<locale>.mpq |
| 17:42.14 | Adys | then you patch it following the entire chain with *both* wow-update-base-xxxx.mpq and wow-update-<locale>-xxxx.mpq |
| 17:42.30 | Adys | keep in mind some builds are NOT part of the chain |
| 17:42.35 | Adys | the chain is defined in your mfil |
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| 17:43.07 | Adys | Vladinator: the algorithm is here: https://github.com/Adys/pywow/blob/master/environment/__init__.py |
| 17:43.58 | Vladinator | the wowb-15983-F7DDD10D61ED1905564BF8B4F0A0E1FA.mfil ? |
| 17:44.05 | Adys | yes |
| 17:44.56 | Vladinator | aha, so that list of files is the right order? so since alternate.MPQ is first it's the main mpq and rest is patches on top of it or? :P |
| 17:44.59 | Adys | fuck this needs some work |
| 17:45.03 | Adys | im hardcoding wow- |
| 17:45.20 | Adys | Vladinator: look at line 370 (patchList) |
| 17:45.30 | Adys | https://github.com/Adys/pywow/blob/master/environment/__init__.py#L370 |
| 17:45.37 | Adys | no, dont look at that list |
| 17:45.41 | Adys | thats the base mpq list |
| 17:46.22 | Ackis | what's the best warlock pet for tanking? |
| 17:46.33 | Adys | succubus |
| 17:46.37 | Adys | oh, TANKING |
| 17:46.39 | Vladinator | voidwalker |
| 17:47.00 | Ackis | my voidwalker sucks ass then |
| 17:48.12 | Ackis | I don't like my warlock, not gonna lie |
| 17:49.49 | Adys | oh god |
| 17:49.50 | Adys | Im awesome |
| 17:49.59 | Adys | I just figured out program-based environments |
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| 18:30.12 | Vladinator | in python how could I execute a program like notepad.exe with arguments? is os.execl the right way to go? |
| 18:31.56 | Vladinator | perhaps import subprocess |
| 18:33.22 | Adys | Vladinator: yes, subprocess is the proper way |
| 18:33.29 | Adys | os.system is the very raw version |
| 18:33.58 | Vladinator | lol jk writing my script in PHP |
| 18:34.15 | Vladinator | ^ joke |
| 18:35.06 | Adys | Vladinator: subprocess.Popen(["notepad.exe", "file.txt", "file2.txt"]) |
| 18:35.50 | Vladinator | aye! |
| 18:36.32 | Vladinator | or .call ? |
| 18:39.26 | Vladinator | I hate mpqs :( |
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| 18:51.28 | kagaro | i have code in ruby to extract the dbf files Vladinator but i don't have it in a easy t use for others setup, and the gui I slapped together for it is for mac only |
| 18:51.43 | kagaro | just sequence them int he right order and your g2g |
| 18:52.57 | kagaro | the python lib works great |
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| 19:00.07 | Seerah | ~seen Elkano |
| 19:00.10 | purl | elkano <~elkano@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Elkano> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 2d 4h 56m 55s ago, saying: 'so you were too lazy to write a parser? ;)'. |
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| 19:01.24 | Seerah | ~logs |
| 19:01.24 | purl | All conversations are logged to http://purl.rikers.org/%23wowuidev/ Lines starting with spaces are not logged. Logs are updated daily. |
| 19:05.38 | Arrowmaster | Seerah: are they giving you any trouble about SharedMedia? |
| 19:06.00 | Seerah | I was just writing him back and posting stuff in the thread. I saw your comment. |
| 19:06.25 | Seerah | "are you the original author? If so I'll assume they gave you all rights." grr |
| 19:11.30 | Arrowmaster | i dont even remember who the original author of SharedMedia was anymore but i know most of the media in it is copyright and only given permission to be used in SharedMedia |
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| 19:12.32 | Arrowmaster | ~poke Elkano |
| 19:12.32 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Elkano, pokes Elkano repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 19:12.55 | Elkano | ~lart Arrowmaster |
| 19:12.55 | purl | decapitates Arrowmaster conan the destroyer style |
| 19:17.27 | Seerah | Elkano: I'm getting tossed through hoops trying to get the 2 copies of SM off of WoA. Just posted another round of communication in the thread on wowi if you care to read it. |
| 19:18.18 | Elkano | yeah, seen them... |
| 19:18.35 | Vladinator | two questions, once, how can I write sensitive info in chat without it getting logged? |
| 19:18.46 | A-KO | you can't. |
| 19:18.52 | Seerah | (so that's up now, Arrowmaster) |
| 19:19.00 | Vladinator | not entirely true |
| 19:19.01 | Vladinator | http://purl.rikers.org/%23wowuidev/20120613.html.gz |
| 19:19.06 | Vladinator | look at "<PROTECTED>" |
| 19:19.18 | Seerah | Elkano: I **just** put another up :) |
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| 19:19.46 | Arrowmaster | Vladinator: start the line with a space, but remember it will still get logged by others |
| 19:20.06 | Vladinator | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:20.12 | Vladinator | ye I know :) |
| 19:24.40 | Vladinator | http://dist.blizzard.com.edgesuite.net/wow-pod/beta/0E1FFF21/EU/15890.direct/wowb-15983-F7DDD10D61ED1905564BF8B4F0A0E1FA.mfil I can't seem to figure this out, or I am retarded :P |
| 19:24.50 | g0urra | maybe both? |
| 19:25.15 | Vladinator | loading the data in that order doesn't really work at all, any clues? I use ladiks to load alternate as base and rest as patches, but I am sure the base mpq is not alternate :P |
| 19:26.21 | Adys | Vladinator: https://github.com/Adys/python-mfil |
| 19:27.17 | Adys | Vladinator: theres no special order |
| 19:27.25 | Adys | you're supposed to establish it by looking at the fileversion key |
| 19:27.49 | Vladinator | aha, so lowest fileversion first then larger after, ok |
| 19:28.41 | Adys | Vladinator: i told you to look at this: https://github.com/Adys/pywow/blob/master/environment/__init__.py#L370 |
| 19:28.55 | Vladinator | yeah, sorry. I act strange today :( |
| 19:29.03 | Adys | Vladinator: lines 388-409 is the mfil algorithm |
| 19:29.29 | Adys | it looks for a matching mfil, reads it, iterates through every file and gets their build |
| 19:29.49 | Adys | appends the build to "retBuilds" |
| 19:30.22 | Adys | then for every build in retBuilds it goes through every file in the patchFiles for the defined locale |
| 19:30.29 | Adys | and appends that file |
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| 19:30.33 | Adys | bam, full list |
| 19:35.42 | Fisker | that's that then :'( |
| 19:35.49 | Fisker | no more russians trying to bruteforce my accounts |
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| 19:39.40 | ccox | speaking of bruteforcing - I've gotten 8 apple requests to reset my password this morning |
| 19:40.15 | ccox | Sigh, my apple account is going to get locked again, and it always takes a couple of days to get it reset |
| 19:40.31 | Kaylin | :'( @ Fisker, d/w they still love you. |
| 19:40.53 | Fisker | :O |
| 19:41.03 | Fisker | apple accounts |
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| 19:44.44 | ccox | yeah, sadly they want you to use the same account for iTunes and your developer account |
| 19:45.12 | Neffi | I've looked through Curse and Google and nothing. Are there any up-to-date libraries for invoking a dropdown menu? |
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| 19:45.32 | Elkano | DewDrop? :troll: |
| 19:45.41 | Neffi | >_> |
| 19:45.49 | Neffi | I' |
| 19:46.10 | Neffi | I'm surprised we don't have an updated Dewdrop. Wasn't somebody gonna make a new one with secure state support? |
| 19:46.46 | Arrowmaster | dewdrop kinda died with aceconfig3 |
| 19:47.10 | Neffi | Which leaves a gap for people not using Ace3 and not interested in using the menu for configuration. |
| 19:47.11 | Elkano | besides that, did you read http://forums.wowace.com/showthread.php?t=15763 |
| 19:48.09 | Neffi | Yeah I'm using that currently. Interested in possibly making a table-based dropdown lib with secure support, so custom unit frames can trivially re-implement things like focus. |
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| 19:51.27 | Seerah | *ahem* http://www.wowace.com/addons/libdropdown-1-0/ |
| 19:53.22 | Neffi | Doesn't seem to support secure, but that's not my priority right now. I would have to pull in part of Ace3 though. =/ |
| 19:54.17 | Seerah | secure in dropdowns is evil. what do you need it for? |
| 19:54.43 | Adys | kd3: python-mpq is now python3-compatible |
| 19:54.45 | Adys | please test it |
| 19:54.57 | Neffi | It's more about replicating existing functionality. If the default UI can have a secure dropdown, why not my unit frames? |
| 19:55.41 | Arrowmaster | the problem is i dont think it works |
| 19:57.35 | Seerah | Why not reuse instead of replicate? What exactly are you trying to do? |
| 19:57.35 | mikma | not for the fainthearted: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ke6zmUX9ay8 - full report of from the sinking of MV Estonia |
| 19:57.49 | Adys | http://www.reddit.com/r/space/comments/yf9x0/the_single_man_mercury_capsule/c5v1d6j |
| 19:58.51 | Neffi | Seerah: Impossible to use the default UI to reimplement the secure frames. It auto-taints itself. See: any unit frame addon and endless bug reports that "dismiss pet" and "set focus" don't work. |
| 19:58.53 | Xinhuan | because the default UI's implementation of secure dropdowns is borked |
| 19:59.09 | Neffi | The only way to re-implement it is through secure headers |
| 19:59.47 | Neffi | I'm half-considering just saying fuck-it and telling people to stop using the dropdown to do these things. But I still want a light menu library that's easier to work with and modify than UIDropdownMenu. |
| 20:00.46 | Mr_Rabies | aw, you can't have a rounded corner shaped border with sexymap? :( |
| 20:03.38 | Neffi | Open the mask texture in Photoshop and erase the corners? |
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| 20:06.37 | Mr_Rabies | i was trying to recreate my chinchilla map with sexymap, as a trial of sorts |
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| 20:10.21 | Elkano | SexyMap does some silly stuff to some minimap buttons... |
| 20:11.18 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, i think i'll go back to chinchilla :< |
| 20:11.32 | Mr_Rabies | chinchilla's does too much for me |
| 20:11.46 | Mr_Rabies | i don't really know why minimap addons feel it necessary to be able to move the UI around |
| 20:13.05 | Seerah | more news: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=259879#post259879 |
| 20:13.24 | Seerah | Mr_Rabies: why not PocketPlot? *smile* |
| 20:16.06 | Mr_Rabies | if it was on curse, perhaps, but i've gotta limit how many addons i'm manually updating or i'll go crazy (or forget for months) |
| 20:17.10 | Seerah | You can sign up for email updates on wowi when one of your favorites gets updated :p |
| 20:17.14 | Mr_Rabies | it looks like a great addon, but the depths of my laziness are infinite |
| 20:17.26 | Seerah | then you don't have to check |
| 20:17.38 | Seerah | Of course, there is Minion, too |
| 20:17.44 | Seerah | but it doesn't work if you have Java 7 |
| 20:17.48 | Mr_Rabies | minon gave me piles and piles of grief |
| 20:17.55 | Mr_Rabies | it cleared my whole addon folder once :< |
| 20:18.28 | Seerah | but I'd create a list of favorites and just set it up in your settings to be emailed |
| 20:18.33 | Vladinator | I hate environment path issues, especially when some compilers like VS10 don't use the system once but probably arguments at launch to define these paths, extra fun! |
| 20:19.48 | Mr_Rabies | by no means do i really want you to put it on curse, but i did want to give you genuine feedback from a lazy user that wasn't trying to be like UPDAT PLZ :p |
| 20:20.19 | Mr_Rabies | i'm sure people have their reasons for avoiding curse, i just really like how easy it is to keep up-to-date |
| 20:20.22 | Vladinator | Adys: sorry I forked your project LOL missclicked |
| 20:20.31 | Adys | Im devastated |
| 20:20.32 | mckenziemc | o.o |
| 20:20.39 | Vladinator | one click fork? how nice :P |
| 20:21.29 | Vladinator | can't unfork |
| 20:21.43 | Vladinator | I love sites that are just so easy to use, like having a menu dropdown that lets you delete something! :D |
| 20:22.06 | Kaylin | what you don't liek support emails with 3 day replies? |
| 20:23.03 | Vladinator | Adys: you do great work on this, just me hating on compilers and environments atm :P LOL |
| 20:23.13 | Seerah | Mr_Rabies: I just have SM-Blizzard at Curse and that's because SM is there. Otherwise, I keep all my other stuff in one spot for comments, svn, bug reports, etc, etc, etc. (I can be lazy, too :) ) |
| 20:23.29 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, it's 100% understandable |
| 20:23.43 | Arrowmaster | Vladinator: if you are talking about github you should be able to delete a fork with just a few clicks |
| 20:23.54 | Vladinator | I did it under the project admin interface. |
| 20:24.29 | Mr_Rabies | you're doing this as a service to the community/for fun/etc on your own time |
| 20:24.36 | Vladinator | Python wrapper for stormlib uses setup to compile it, fine, but the setup TAKS NO ENV PATH arguments, meaning I need to somehow figure out how to make the compiler it uses include the custom StormLib project folder, it's just a mess. |
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| 20:28.39 | Neffi | To anyone's who's in the beta or PTR: does frame:RegisterUnitEvent really limit to just 2 units? |
| 20:29.44 | wereHamster | ~seen tekkub |
| 20:29.45 | purl | tekkub <~tekkub@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/GitHub/Tekkub> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 77d 18h 38m 38s ago, saying: 'twss'. |
| 20:29.57 | wereHamster | that's a long time ago |
| 20:30.08 | Neffi | Did Tekkub quit? |
| 20:30.30 | Vladinator | :( |
| 20:31.04 | Adys | Vladinator: it does take environment variables |
| 20:31.26 | Vladinator | msdn said use /I to include a path but setup.py complains :P |
| 20:31.39 | Adys | bullshit |
| 20:31.45 | Adys | (msdn that is) |
| 20:31.50 | Vladinator | ye I know |
| 20:32.32 | Adys | Vladinator: http://docs.python.org/extending/windows.html |
| 20:33.57 | Adys | git is scary how fucking hardcore it can be |
| 20:34.22 | Adys | filter-branch is the git equivalent of dd |
| 20:34.37 | Vladinator | sorry andys that link didn't help me :( |
| 20:36.01 | Adys | Vladinator: sorry |
| 20:36.02 | Adys | http://docs.python.org/extending/building.html |
| 20:36.25 | Vladinator | looking into that |
| 20:36.37 | Vladinator | http://pastebin.com/EpG3y4PM - just shame this small error isn't fixable by appending something behind build command :P |
| 20:37.31 | Adys | Vladinator: in setup.py |
| 20:37.52 | Vladinator | playing with include_dirs atm |
| 20:38.02 | Adys | Vladinator: pass include_dirs=["C:/path/to/your/stormlib/"] |
| 20:38.28 | Adys | windows is really fucked |
| 20:38.42 | Vladinator | now it's time to make it find sys/mman.h :P |
| 20:39.43 | Adys | afk |
| 20:40.15 | Vladinator | "<sys/mman.h> is a Unix header and is not available on Windows." :D |
| 20:40.29 | Vladinator | looks like it runs a include that is for mac or something, based on what I saw in the .h file :D |
| 20:40.45 | Vladinator | oh well |
| 20:41.01 | Vladinator | at this point I don't care, LOL :D |
| 20:41.11 | Vladinator | headache today, slept a lot and still here :( |
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| 20:59.09 | Tuller | tuba dance |
| 21:06.13 | Seerah | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=259881#post259881 |
| 21:15.19 | Elkano | still doesn't sound like they intend to remove all addons they don't have permission for |
| 21:16.37 | Kaylin | pretty much =/ |
| 21:16.49 | Adys | If I calculated right, there's about 44 sundays until Season 5 pt. 2 (assuming it starts mid July like pt. 1). |
| 21:16.51 | Adys | WHATT |
| 21:16.53 | Adys | NO |
| 21:16.59 | Adys | Breaking Bad, don't leave me for so long |
| 21:17.37 | Elkano | who cares about BB 5.2? give us MLP 3... |
| 21:19.10 | Adys | you saying that tells me you're a horrible person irl |
| 21:19.13 | Adys | probably a psychopath |
| 21:19.53 | Kalroth | What the frenchy said |
| 21:20.36 | Elkano | if he's french you can't trust anything ha's saying about me anyways |
| 21:20.39 | Adys | hey Kalroth you werent here for my brilliant joke from earlier |
| 21:20.48 | Adys | [18:46:06] <Ackis> what's the best warlock pet for tanking? |
| 21:20.48 | Adys | [18:46:13] <Adys> succubus |
| 21:20.48 | Adys | [18:46:16] <Adys> oh, TANKING |
| 21:20.54 | Adys | SUBTLE HUH? |
| 21:21.07 | Kalroth | i dont get it |
| 21:21.14 | Adys | it's okay neither do I |
| 21:21.27 | *** part/#wowuidev Seerah (~Ryan@adsl-74-226-69-179.mem.bellsouth.net) |
| 21:21.30 | Elkano | isn't that the only WL pet? |
| 21:21.34 | Kalroth | also all warlocks are terrible! |
| 21:21.35 | mckenziemc | o.o |
| 21:25.58 | Amarande | Succubus is so 2011 ... 5.0 will make it all about Shivarra, apparently |
| 21:27.04 | Adys | Kalroth: fyi it was a play on the word "tanking" and what you'd usually do with a succubus if you dropped the first letter |
| 21:27.52 | Vladinator | anking? |
| 21:27.53 | Kalroth | ahhh a -t/+w switch |
| 21:28.11 | Adys | yes, it's funny because of the sexual innuendo |
| 21:28.13 | mckenziemc | spanks Adys. |
| 21:28.19 | Vladinator | ~moon adys |
| 21:28.19 | purl | ACTION drops his pants and shows adys a full moon. adys drops over dead at the sight. |
| 21:28.25 | Adys | kicks mckenziemc's balls off |
| 21:29.41 | Tuller | fun fact: the breaking bad guy went to my high school |
| 21:29.58 | Adys | theres more than one guy |
| 21:30.06 | Tuller | well vince gilligan |
| 21:30.27 | Vladinator | talking about the upcoming election or those WoA guys? |
| 21:30.28 | cbreak | after breaking |
| 21:30.43 | mckenziemc | what? |
| 21:30.59 | Vladinator | ~quote Tuller bad guy |
| 21:31.15 | mckenziemc | o.o |
| 21:31.16 | Vladinator | ehm... |
| 21:31.23 | Tuller | i win? |
| 21:31.35 | Vladinator | purl: are you okay? |
| 21:31.43 | Adys | thats the writer |
| 21:32.12 | nevcairiel | ~quote atvi |
| 21:32.33 | nevcairiel | it just doesnt do what you think it does! |
| 21:32.39 | Vladinator | no clue lol |
| 21:32.52 | Vladinator | I'd figure a quote is last message matching certain substring by someone :P |
| 21:33.03 | nevcairiel | it shows stock infos |
| 21:33.11 | Vladinator | should be ~stock tbh |
| 21:33.12 | Vladinator | :P |
| 21:34.38 | End_ | oh fucking you windows |
| 21:35.05 | End_ | one of the addons has gone restricted access somehow |
| 21:35.20 | End_ | and administrator isn't good enough? |
| 21:35.24 | Vladinator | that sounds odd |
| 21:35.29 | Vladinator | issues with permissions? |
| 21:35.38 | End_ | yes |
| 21:35.50 | End_ | guess I'll try rebooting |
| 21:39.13 | End_ | ok apparently it doesn't exist |
| 21:39.21 | End_ | I guess I successfully deleted it |
| 21:39.25 | End_ | but windows was playing dumb |
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| 21:50.58 | Kaylin | http://www.scientificamerican.com/gallery_directory.cfm NOPE NOPE NOPE |
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| 21:53.16 | mckenziemc | cute |
| 21:59.40 | mckenziemc | i accidentally crushed a spider this morning :( |
| 22:00.09 | Kaylin | was it a cute spider or was it a big scary rat eating spider that I imagine live under everything? |
| 22:00.23 | mckenziemc | my water bottle rolled on top of it as it tried to run away |
| 22:00.25 | mckenziemc | cellar spider |
| 22:00.35 | neutronimity | scary snake killing spider* |
| 22:01.38 | Kaylin | hmm it seems these spiders have non sticky webs and eat other spiders |
| 22:01.43 | Kaylin | also they have small bodies |
| 22:01.44 | Kaylin | I like them |
| 22:02.35 | mckenziemc | which? |
| 22:02.45 | Kaylin | cellar spiders |
| 22:02.55 | Kaylin | (compared to leg length) |
| 22:05.30 | mckenziemc | they like to leave egg sacs on light fixtures and send spiderlings rapelling down though :( |
| 22:05.52 | Kaylin | http://imgur.com/gallery/PJncp this image makes me cringe |
| 22:06.11 | mckenziemc | lol |
| 22:06.36 | Kaylin | http://imgur.com/gallery/DrHZc |
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| 22:20.01 | Neffi | How's WoW run under Wine nowadays? |
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| 22:25.55 | Adys | Neffi: fantastically good |
| 22:25.59 | Adys | near-natively |
| 22:26.19 | Neffi | anyone try it under freebsd? |
| 22:26.33 | Adys | austin987 does, afaik (in #winehq) |
| 22:26.53 | Neffi | Awesome. I'll consult him. |
| 22:27.03 | Neffi | Now just to wait on SB drivers to be MFC'd |
| 22:27.08 | Adys | Neffi: just ask in #winehq if you need something |
| 22:27.12 | Adys | simpler that way |
| 22:33.42 | Arrowmaster | what the fuck at the reply Seerah posted on the forum |
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| 22:34.07 | Arrowmaster | "Even though I have removed every addon that requested removal, at least 70% of them are technically not owned by the current author." |
| 22:35.09 | Kaylin | yea I was like 1. addons using an open license are still owned by the author unless public domain. 2. if an author got permission to continue an addon from another author, the new code is their work, and either way it's not your work, and ugh. |
| 22:35.30 | Kaylin | I just didn't wanna say anything since I was like maybe I'm misreading poor wording or something idk |
| 22:35.40 | Dagmar | Fuck it. Send in the lawyers |
| 22:36.12 | Dagmar | ...or start publicly trashing his bullshit, because I'd love to seem him challenged to substantiate that blatant lie and all the others he's spun |
| 22:36.27 | Neffi | Well regardless of whether or not they got permission, doesn't just about every FOSS license freely allow redistribution? |
| 22:36.38 | Dagmar | FOSS ones do |
| 22:36.45 | Kaylin | not all addons are free as in freedom |
| 22:36.51 | Dagmar | What does that have to do with "70% of them" |
| 22:36.51 | Neffi | I don't believe you can deny somebody the right to re-release (for instance) and MIT-licensed work. |
| 22:37.05 | Dagmar | So how many of them are MIT-licenced? |
| 22:37.24 | Kaylin | unless explicitly stated otherwise, all work is all rights reserved, sure my addon isn't but this isn't about mine this is about everyone's addons. |
| 22:37.36 | Kaylin | I don't care if they host mine,a nd they prob didn't bc it's shit |
| 22:37.39 | Neffi | I thought you were implying otherwise by (1) |
| 22:38.08 | Dagmar | What's "(1)" supposed to mean? |
| 22:38.14 | Kaylin | I think they were talking to me |
| 22:38.17 | Neffi | What Kaylin posted |
| 22:38.27 | Dagmar | Ah |
| 22:38.29 | Kaylin | realize that I hate copyright but I'm not trying to force it on anyone else, I respect their rights |
| 22:39.11 | Kaylin | same reason I don't like normal GPL, I don't want to pressure people to give up rights who don't want to |
| 22:39.57 | Kaylin | also I am kinda drunk atm so please take what I say not totally literally if it really seems weird. |
| 22:40.10 | Neffi | lol |
| 22:40.25 | Dagmar | sounds like the perfect time to start some fires |
| 22:40.52 | Neffi | Let's not have that fire be a GPL vs BSD/MIT debate =| |
| 22:41.13 | Dagmar | No, just burning down some addon sites |
| 22:41.16 | Kaylin | I'm not trying to omg *sobs* |
| 22:41.31 | pnorman | uses both GPL and MIT |
| 22:41.39 | Neffi | lol Kay. I'm with you though. I like MIT license. |
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| 22:41.40 | Dagmar | Computers and fire... Happens all the time. Just look at the stuff they do to keep a data center from burning down |
| 22:41.59 | Dagmar | totally natureal. Part of the cycle of life and all that |
| 22:42.04 | Kaylin | cycle of FIRE |
| 22:42.10 | Thunder_Child | ~fail Dagmar |
| 22:42.10 | purl | Dagmar, you Fail! |
| 22:42.34 | Kaylin | wait, time for some Judas Priest |
| 22:43.07 | Arrowmaster | Cairenn: do you remember, years ago way back on the old wowace forums i thought there was a consultation about copyright and dependancies |
| 22:43.26 | Cairenn | Arrowmaster: vaguely |
| 22:43.55 | Mr_Rabies | The Ice Stone has melted! |
| 22:45.03 | Arrowmaster | i think it was about GPLv2 and the conclusion was that addons fell under some exclusion that java programs used |
| 22:46.02 | Arrowmaster | and im am good |
| 22:46.04 | Arrowmaster | http://forums.wowace.com/showthread.php?t=3763&page=2 |
| 22:46.06 | pnorman | On a question related to copyright, what does Blizzard do about addons which ask for money? I know they don't like it, but I don't see that they can actually stop it without a fair amount of work |
| 22:46.54 | Kaylin | I'd imagine they'd disable the offending addon or break its functionality depending on which is easier. |
| 22:47.01 | Arrowmaster | pnorman: they added the ability to block certain addons from being loaded by the client a while back |
| 22:47.39 | pnorman | Ah, so an arms race |
| 22:47.39 | Arrowmaster | pnorman: the only time im aware they have used it though was to block some older versions of gearscore that were overloading the chat servers |
| 22:47.52 | Ama|raid | ... wtf |
| 22:48.00 | Ama|raid | I just teleported to the upper spire in icc after a wipe and ghost run |
| 22:48.03 | Ama|raid | ... and the teleporter's gone |
| 22:48.10 | Ama|raid | like, gone, as in I can't see the teleport pad up here |
| 22:48.15 | Ama|raid | the rest of the raid apparently can |
| 22:48.24 | kullervo | re-enter |
| 22:48.42 | Arrowmaster | Cairenn: i still dont think these guys at WoA understand shared copyright |
| 22:48.47 | Cairenn | nope |
| 22:48.55 | Cairenn | or something |
| 22:49.10 | Cairenn | I think they're just being wilfully ignorant. |
| 22:49.37 | Cairenn | Which is by far worse than stupidity or lack of understanding, imo. |
| 22:49.52 | pnorman | Yes, willful ignorance can play badly in court. |
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| 22:51.16 | Kaylin | both copyright and public domain are important to allow and protect innovation, a good balance ensures people can still build on awesome work of others while giving people incentive to do so knowing their work is protected from predators. |
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| 22:51.35 | Arrowmaster` | grr |
| 22:52.11 | Dagmar | Cairenn: s/ignorant/wrong/ |
| 22:52.27 | Arrowmaster | im about to call roadrunner again about this but last time they just said 'everything looks fine but ill send a signal to your modem to reset it anyway' |
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| 22:53.22 | Dagmar | He needs to stop letting them waste his time with that |
| 22:54.18 | Kaylin | in any case court is a good answer, I believe it's pretty clear they don't want to be nice and admit wrongdoing here. |
| 22:55.34 | Vladinator | this is why we can't have nice things |
| 22:55.41 | Ama|raid | Arrow: knowing cable companies, you might be just fine by the time you manage to get off of hold heh |
| 22:55.43 | Kaylin | pmuch |
| 22:56.27 | Ama|raid | "Please hold. By the time you get off of hold, any problems that we might actually be able to fix will probably have been fixed an hour ago." :) |
| 22:56.37 | Arrowmaster | Ama|raid: something is booting me off and forcing my modem to reconnect |
| 22:56.41 | Arrowmaster | "Unicast Ranging Received Abort Response - Re- initializing MAC" |
| 22:56.47 | Arrowmaster | from my modem logs |
| 22:56.49 | Kaylin | Ama|raid last issue I had with Comcast involved me yelling at them for 3 weeks which they said was my fault until they finally came out to look at the TREE being held up solely by their line on city property about 20 feet from my house. |
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| 22:57.04 | Arrowmaster | a level 1 or 2 tech is never going to figure it out |
| 22:58.18 | Kaylin | (I called the city too but they were like what do you want us to do about it, they can put lines through our property if they maintain them0 |
| 22:58.20 | Kaylin | )* |
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| 23:08.37 | Vladinator | when you touch something that is cold, it's because your molecules vibrate more then said surface, so when you touch it it litteraly slows your molecules down, making you feel cold while it in return gains some of your vibrating molecules. is my interpretation right you think? |
| 23:10.56 | Cairenn | So, has anyone contacted Gabe and Tycho? |
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| 23:14.59 | Vladinator | ~shrug |
| 23:14.59 | purl | go. to. sleep. |
| 23:17.05 | Neffi | Well you're not giving it some of your molecules. You're giving it some of the kinetic energy from them. |
| 23:17.22 | Neffi | I think the Wikipedia entries for conduction should cover your curiosity |
| 23:17.51 | Vladinator | conduction, I'll check it out. was a bit unsure what to look for kind of, and yeah I didn't mean you gave up any molecules, just kinetic energy. |
| 23:17.52 | Neffi | I'm a slowpoke. That's directed at you Vladinator |
| 23:18.04 | Vladinator | lol |
| 23:18.13 | Neffi | Conduction, convection and radiation are the three ways of transferring heat |
| 23:18.22 | Vladinator | I remember this from long ago and told my friend, he didn't believe me when I said it :( |
| 23:18.30 | Neffi | I'm going on what I used to know. I seriously need to brush up on physics before my PHY class next semester |
| 23:18.49 | Neffi | Well I do know the heat in your molecules is just kinetic energy |
| 23:18.56 | Neffi | eg vibrations |
| 23:19.04 | Vladinator | if you want a very nerdy example |
| 23:19.10 | Neffi | I do |
| 23:19.24 | Vladinator | it's like in star wars 4 (the new movie that is now 1) when the two engines on the pod racer normalize their energy levels, same thing with conductency :P |
| 23:19.42 | Vladinator | when you touch something cold for a while it gets warmer and you get colder and kind of even out the temperatures. |
| 23:19.53 | Neffi | Well they do that through an unknown process. I have the book, but I didn't get to that part. Got bored before it. |
| 23:20.11 | Neffi | Yes, heat tries to reach equilibrium same as anything else |
| 23:20.37 | Vladinator | heat and cold |
| 23:20.38 | Neffi | Given sufficient time and an otherwise closed system, the temperature would become the same between you and the beer |
| 23:20.41 | Vladinator | yeah |
| 23:20.52 | Neffi | Cold is not a thing. It's just an absence of heat. A comparison. |
| 23:20.56 | Vladinator | yeah |
| 23:21.17 | Vladinator | I meant the example can be said when you swap out the words, still valid :p |
| 23:21.31 | Neffi | Then again if it works anything like electron holes work at the quantum level, maybe cold is something. An absence of something is a potential for something, so making a quasi- or virtual-force/whatever. |
| 23:21.57 | Vladinator | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:21.59 | Neffi | eg I believe an electron hole is its own quasi-particle (a particle where an electron should be but isn't temporarily) |
| 23:22.11 | Neffi | Direct him to Wikipedia |
| 23:22.32 | Vladinator | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:22.49 | Adys | why is there such a huge russian Qt community |
| 23:22.51 | Neffi | The man who needs to be always right often isn't |
| 23:23.10 | Vladinator | I dislike Qt but I like the visuals |
| 23:23.11 | Neffi | Adys: Why not? I hear QT's quite nice. Plus the Russians love Opera. |
| 23:23.18 | Neffi | And Linux. And Opera and Linux used to use QT. |
| 23:23.19 | Adys | Im not bothered, I love it |
| 23:23.34 | Adys | but it seems qt devs are in majority russian, I find it odd |
| 23:23.36 | Vladinator | Qt requires dll/os files |
| 23:23.47 | Adys | huh? |
| 23:23.48 | Vladinator | I hate having to bundle the proper 32/64 amd/intel e.g. binaries |
| 23:23.58 | Dagmar | *eyeroll* |
| 23:24.04 | Adys | welcome to the world of... software development? |
| 23:24.06 | Vladinator | you are talking about Qt right? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qt_%28framework%29 |
| 23:24.15 | Adys | yes |
| 23:24.18 | Vladinator | yeah |
| 23:24.32 | Adys | im kind of wondering what you would expect an app framework to bundle if not binaries |
| 23:25.42 | Vladinator | I tried Qt with Java |
| 23:25.46 | Vladinator | not easy LOL |
| 23:25.53 | Adys | urgh |
| 23:26.05 | Adys | out of all the languages to try qt with, you picked java |
| 23:26.08 | Vladinator | if one uses Qt should use it on C++ or something |
| 23:26.14 | Vladinator | well let's face it |
| 23:26.17 | Vladinator | Java Swing is dead |
| 23:26.25 | Vladinator | works but wonder how much longer |
| 23:26.31 | Neffi | wonders if there's a QT Lua binding. |
| 23:26.32 | Vladinator | what are the alternatives? not many :P |
| 23:26.36 | Adys | Neffi: there is |
| 23:26.47 | Dagmar | s/dead/dead ugly/ |
| 23:26.51 | Neffi | cool. maybe i'll try it out for the fuck of it. I need to learn GUIs soon |
| 23:26.52 | Adys | lol |
| 23:26.56 | Adys | Neffi: http://code.google.com/p/lqt/ |
| 23:27.06 | Adys | er |
| 23:27.06 | Adys | https://github.com/mkottman/lqt |
| 23:27.25 | Neffi | I'm always afraid of Lua libraries. I've stumbled across a lot, thinking "oh that's nice" and then see it's dead and not updated to Lua 5.1 |
| 23:27.35 | Neffi | We need more commitment to libraries |
| 23:28.02 | Neffi | First line of that page, case in point |
| 23:28.49 | Adys | you go ahead and contribute |
| 23:29.04 | Neffi | When I get better at C(++), sure |
| 23:29.09 | Neffi | I'll add that to the list |
| 23:29.31 | Arrow|phone | I shouldn't have called RR they made it worse |
| 23:29.38 | Adys | most of this project is in lua not c++ |
| 23:30.07 | Arrow|phone | Modem won't stay connected long enough for me to even connect to irc |
| 23:30.24 | Neffi | Arrow: Time Warner? |
| 23:30.33 | Arrow|phone | Yes |
| 23:30.43 | Neffi | g'luck. So happy I switched to Verizon fiber |
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| 23:31.06 | Adys | so happy I'm not in a technologically-impaired third world country |
| 23:31.10 | Adys | yknow, like the us. |
| 23:31.16 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 23:31.17 | mckenziemc | hehe |
| 23:31.47 | Arrowmaster | was told to take the modem to the local office on monday and get it replaced |
| 23:31.57 | Arrowmaster | or i could wait till tuesday and have a tech come out |
| 23:32.06 | Vladinator | Adys: a serious note, how can one wrap Java app in a SMART way so it runs 64 bit java or 32 bit depending on what you wish the app to run as? |
| 23:32.09 | Neffi | Adys: Supremist |
| 23:32.16 | Vladinator | And if possible then telling the app what kind of version it runs... |
| 23:32.39 | Vladinator | It's so annoying when bundling with dlls, you gotta have separate dlls for separate types of running environments. |
| 23:32.49 | Adys | Vladinator: There are a few things I don't deal with in this world |
| 23:32.59 | Arrowmaster | and java is one of them |
| 23:33.06 | Adys | Vladinator: Terrorists, Windows, and Java |
| 23:33.24 | Arrowmaster | Adys: you cant be a proper sysadmin then |
| 23:33.27 | Vladinator | ^ and people who use PHP regardless the reason |
| 23:33.30 | Vladinator | :P |
| 23:33.43 | Adys | php and java are different beasts |
| 23:33.51 | Arrowmaster | http://xkcd.com/705/ |
| 23:33.58 | Vladinator | No but really, Java is good but why not make it great by making it a bit more flexible and easier for deployment? :/ |
| 23:34.09 | Vladinator | It's like as long it can run trough java.exe they don't care after :P |
| 23:34.23 | Adys | java is half-decent |
| 23:34.25 | Dagmar | They already do that |
| 23:34.37 | Vladinator | not talking about .jar |
| 23:34.39 | Arrowmaster | the only java things i ever use are webstart apps |
| 23:35.19 | Vladinator | using dll/so files is pain with java, I wish they'd help with that :( |
| 23:35.27 | Arrowmaster | one to update my library on anidb.net and another to connect to gokgs.com and play |
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| 23:38.01 | Vladinator | lol |
| 23:38.10 | Vladinator | I haven't used anidb for ages |
| 23:39.52 | Adys | http://coderedd.net/ |
| 23:39.53 | Adys | oh i love it. |
| 23:40.39 | Neffi | So what is it, a /b/ with Python syntax? |
| 23:40.57 | Adys | reddit with python/java/sql syntax |
| 23:41.15 | arton | breaks the code. |
| 23:41.34 | Vladinator | talk about bad coding, each function is the same but does nothing except assign function scoped variables... |
| 23:45.58 | Arrowmaster | also cuts the titles short |
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| 23:47.42 | Vladinator | they should make a PHP version too |
| 23:47.46 | Vladinator | :3 |
| 23:51.36 | Vladinator | !lua string.format("%s: t'sup? %c%c", "Adys", 58, 68) |
| 23:51.36 | batbot | Vladinator: > Adys: t'sup? :D |
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| 23:52.31 | Adys | https://github.com/ojii |
| 23:52.32 | Adys | OH |
| 23:52.33 | Adys | YES |
| 23:52.35 | Adys | I LOVE HIM |
| 23:52.48 | Adys | been trying to find it for ages, pyimagine |
| 23:52.52 | Adys | pyimaging |
| 23:53.19 | Vladinator | could someone explain to me why women draw on their eyebrows? |
| 23:53.30 | Adys | because men draw on their penises |
| 23:53.45 | Adys | back me up there Cairenn |
| 23:53.54 | Cairenn | hmmmm? |
| 23:54.03 | Cairenn | wait, what? |
| 23:54.09 | Vladinator | I see so many girls that pull out their eyebrows and draw on ugly pencil lines -_- |
| 23:54.36 | prencher | Oh that's cute, the whole "donation for childs play as a gesture of good will".. so a 100% deductible donation as a "good will" for stealing? what is this, the mob? |
| 23:54.41 | g0urra | they don't need eyebrows because they have ~swag~ |
| 23:54.43 | Neffi | Maybe it has to do with the same motivation behind men with tight underwear buying large trucks and pimping them out with chrome. |
| 23:54.51 | Cairenn | prencher: apparently, yes |
| 23:55.17 | Neffi | In other words, our base instincts make us stupid and blind |
| 23:57.17 | Vladinator | one would think there would be more oppinions about drawing on facial hair since it's so much going on of it, but apparently no one wants to talk or share insight to why it happens :D |
| 23:57.42 | Neffi | Vladinator: Remind me of the duck-lip phenomena |
| 23:58.00 | Vladinator | just promisse me you guys won't let your daughters get into the whole makeup market chaos until they are older :P |
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| 23:58.17 | Neffi | I wonder what goes through their minds when they post such images to FB. Maybe that all men are secretly aroused by beastial thoughts of ducks? |
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| 23:59.02 | Neffi | I just hope my kids don't buy into the bullshit. But I guess that's hoping too much. |
| 23:59.13 | Neffi | Can't even find a girl that doesn't wear make-up nowadays. |
| 23:59.34 | Vladinator | marketing does all it can to force young girls to get hooked on makeup early on |
| 23:59.44 | Cairenn | and be thin |
| 23:59.50 | Mr_Rabies | also jewelry |
| 23:59.51 | Cairenn | and have big breasts |
| 23:59.52 | Cairenn | and |
| 23:59.56 | Vladinator | if you don't they feel like outsiders, they know that and parents most don't go against the flow either |
| 23:59.59 | Vladinator | lol |
