| 00:00.10 | Torhal | Many times, it doesn't start doing the bad shit until after they do something innocuous. |
| 00:00.19 | Torhal | So they blame THAT thing, instead of what actually infected them. |
| 00:00.22 | xyphoid | well, people are reluctant to use addon *managers* because of a fear of dodgy bundleware |
| 00:00.34 | xyphoid | which makes 'use our addon manager to avoid that stuff' somewhat odd |
| 00:00.40 | Primer | indeed |
| 00:00.54 | Primer | I used unzip in cygwin as my addon manager for quite a while |
| 00:00.58 | mckenziemc | "we promise ours is clean so you should use it" |
| 00:01.02 | neutronimity | As scout, I've killed two pyros in a row. |
| 00:01.03 | Primer | then once I trusted CC, I started using that |
| 00:02.05 | Primer | Should I not trust CC? :) |
| 00:02.41 | Vladinator | btw what happens when I update my addon on wowi and there is a copy of it on tentonhammer, I bet it becomes outdated there and the whole point is now gone lol :3 addon manager or not |
| 00:03.07 | xyphoid | tentonhammer will scrape wowi, of course |
| 00:04.20 | Vladinator | doesn't sound very legit to just leech of data like that |
| 00:04.39 | Trela | I know technically DMCA protects them from severe law suits as long as they comply, but this is pretty ridiculous. |
| 00:05.12 | Torhal | Trela: It's been almost 24 hours since folks started demanding their stuff be taken down. Nada. |
| 00:05.46 | Vladinator | I hear the name somewhere before, but I didn't think they'd sink so low. |
| 00:06.24 | Trela | Torhal: Yeah, but technically they get that 10-14 days grace period to comply. |
| 00:06.32 | Torhal | Jeebus. |
| 00:06.57 | Trela | Sooooo ten uninterrupted days of hosting them before they have to comply. Good for them... |
| 00:07.03 | Trela | Torhal: Know anyone in the neighborhood that will mow a lawn for me? XD So lazy over here. |
| 00:07.17 | Torhal | Trela: Nope. Can't get my kid to do mine. |
| 00:07.25 | Torhal | He's frail, that one. |
| 00:07.35 | Vladinator | Did you try the "do it or you find somewhere else to live"? |
| 00:07.35 | Trela | How the heck, does he not eat? D: |
| 00:07.40 | Torhal | Hah |
| 00:07.54 | Torhal | I was gonna say have MentalPower do it, but he isn't in channel :/ |
| 00:07.59 | Trela | He went to bed. |
| 00:08.02 | Torhal | Ah |
| 00:08.18 | Trela | I need to go outside, hold up a $20 bill, and yell for a kid. |
| 00:08.22 | Vladinator | Just make him eat some food he hates until he does it. |
| 00:08.44 | Trela | Anyway, I have to go do the lawn. x.x |
| 00:08.51 | Torhal | :/ |
| 00:08.53 | Vladinator | Its 2 in the night... |
| 00:09.01 | Torhal | 7pm here |
| 00:09.19 | Vladinator | I knew most on wowi irc are US, the chat is always active during this time. |
| 00:09.28 | Vladinator | During the day when it's night for you no one talks :P |
| 00:09.37 | Torhal | Mostly, yah. |
| 00:09.47 | Vladinator | I wonder where the EU addon coding nerds and such hang, hmm. |
| 00:09.47 | Trela | Vladinator: If I had outdoor lights I would do it when it is 2AM so I do not sweat to death. |
| 00:09.50 | Torhal | Though Cairenn|afk has no known sleep schedule, so... |
| 00:10.17 | Vladinator | I gotta shower now before bed, so sweatty too :P |
| 00:11.18 | Primer | I never did remove the GPL license from my addons...but they don't see much traffic |
| 00:11.35 | Vladinator | Anyone here that are under their thirties? I get a vide most here are old geezers that code in non-PHP and play wow. |
| 00:11.43 | Vladinator | vibe* |
| 00:11.46 | Primer | Although I feel that my one addon, FlightHUD, is very cool! (shameless plug) |
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| 00:11.58 | Jamash | I think most here are geezers that don't code or play wow |
| 00:12.21 | Primer | I'm a geezer, and code and play wow |
| 00:12.21 | Dagmar | The important thing to keep in mind is that we're old enough to buy guns and rent anonymous-looking cars without anyone asking a lot of questions. |
| 00:12.27 | Primer | in fact I bet I'm older than anyone here |
| 00:12.41 | xyphoid | >30 is geezer right? |
| 00:12.45 | Primer | aye |
| 00:12.47 | Jamash | http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/6352005235#1 |
| 00:12.51 | Vladinator | I am probably one of the young once, being 23 :p |
| 00:13.05 | Primer | I'll just go ahead and say it: I'm 44 |
| 00:13.22 | mckenziemc | i'm 24 but as Torhal could tell you, i don't code |
| 00:13.29 | TC-Work | well xyphoid's comment makes me a geezer then as well |
| 00:13.35 | Vladinator | lol |
| 00:13.43 | xyphoid | i'm in the geezer category and i do work with php, heh |
| 00:13.59 | Primer | and I work with PHP too! |
| 00:14.23 | Vladinator | For your information I don't know if geezer is a negative word or not, just finding it funny sounding. You know us Europeans and using the language wrong, shouldn't be a new thing. |
| 00:14.28 | Dagmar | I don't know PHP. I just fix other people's PHP code anyway. |
| 00:14.41 | Dagmar | Vladinator: Like "fanny pack" |
| 00:14.55 | Vladinator | Yeah, but I do know what a fanny pack is, still sounds funny. |
| 00:15.06 | Dagmar | I have an even better one for you then |
| 00:15.17 | xyphoid | i came here because I have a few personal addons I used for auction fun times |
| 00:15.20 | Dagmar | http://www.fannywang.com/ |
| 00:15.26 | Vladinator | haha |
| 00:15.31 | xyphoid | i would feel pretty bad posting them publicly because of how horrible they are |
| 00:15.33 | Vladinator | probably a name |
| 00:15.34 | Dagmar | Just watch the scroll they have |
| 00:15.58 | Dagmar | "On ear wangs" |
| 00:16.01 | Vladinator | Booting up the browser, was installing VS10, found I had a copy on my drive lol. |
| 00:16.03 | Dagmar | *snicker* |
| 00:16.41 | Vladinator | They must know how weird that name sounds. |
| 00:16.53 | Vladinator | Like www.penisland.com you know it's weird. |
| 00:16.55 | Dagmar | I don't imagine they do a lot of business in Australia |
| 00:17.17 | Dagmar | ...but hey, at least they're up-front about what's happening when you buy a $200 pair of headphones from them |
| 00:17.18 | Vladinator | (it was www.penisland.net sorry) |
| 00:19.42 | Jamash | if you don't want to use your "public" email address as your bnet login but don't want to register a whole new account, may I recommend http://gmailblog.blogspot.com/2008/03/2-hidden-ways-to-get-more-from-your.html |
| 00:20.36 | Ressy | Torhal: They registered with tucows.. Could prolly toss a DMCA at them. |
| 00:21.00 | Vladinator | from now on |
| 00:21.11 | Vladinator | I tell everyone my mail is v.l+a.d+i.x@gmail.com |
| 00:21.25 | Vladinator | then I gotta spell it out letter by letter and waste their time |
| 00:21.28 | Dagmar | Note that if you do anything with EA, those assholes don't believe in "+" in an email address. |
| 00:21.29 | Jamash | I think you may have misread that |
| 00:21.51 | Vladinator | no I understood :( |
| 00:21.55 | Vladinator | dots are ignored |
| 00:22.07 | Jamash | "." is not significant, "+" is, because it separates the address from the suffix |
| 00:22.19 | Dagmar | Vladinator: So your email address is actually vl@gmail? |
| 00:22.20 | Jamash | your address is vl at gmail dot com? |
| 00:22.32 | Jamash | jinx |
| 00:22.37 | Vladinator | you got me :P |
| 00:23.19 | Dagmar | EA seriously screwed me over with their consolidation crap because of those plus signs |
| 00:23.58 | Jamash | ea can die in a fire |
| 00:24.11 | Dagmar | I approve of that message. |
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| 00:27.16 | Vladinator | I dislike EA too but I don't hate them. I dislike Ubisoft too, their DRM sucks, can't even play some of my legit games :/ |
| 00:36.12 | Corgan | giggles @ EA hate |
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| 00:37.07 | mckenziemc | tickles Corgan. |
| 00:44.01 | TC-Work | Jamash: interesting, thanks for the link |
| 00:50.06 | Vladinator | at least they have curtesy to write in their code "Spew the stringtable" because that's what they do in the demo parser :P spewing |
| 00:50.51 | Jamash | while(1)print(get_some_data_from_somewhere_I_dont_know()) |
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| 01:02.28 | Acenth | LOL @ " As somebody posted earlier, it's pretty evident that the addon authors posting here are simply in it for the money" |
| 01:02.38 | Acenth | Apparently we're all in this for the money, guys. |
| 01:02.52 | Jamash | yeah, all the money |
| 01:03.05 | Acenth | $$$ All that bling. |
| 01:03.13 | Jamash | the $40 or so a year in amazon credit I get |
| 01:04.01 | Acenth | This logic... I don't even... |
| 01:04.21 | TC-Work | always knew you addon authors were highballin |
| 01:04.42 | Jamash | that's almost 1/4 the amount I pay to subscribe to wow! |
| 01:05.07 | Acenth | We're all driving Cadillacs and partying with celebs. |
| 01:05.19 | Vladinator | C++ how to compare a string and check if equal? |
| 01:05.25 | Vladinator | str.compare("Hello") == 0 ? |
| 01:05.31 | Jamash | don't use C++ |
| 01:05.40 | Acenth | ^ |
| 01:06.11 | Vladinator | -_- |
| 01:07.45 | Jamash | seriously, C++ sucks for string work |
| 01:07.47 | Jamash | perl yo |
| 01:10.07 | alestane | C++ has better string facilities than C, but not much compared with higher-level languages. |
| 01:10.34 | alestane | Also, I think the STL string class does overload the == operator. |
| 01:10.35 | Acenth | C#: if (str == "Hello") |
| 01:11.45 | Primer | Jamash: Oh no, not perl! |
| 01:11.47 | alestane | http://www.cplusplus.com/reference/string/operators/ |
| 01:11.48 | mckenziemc | Acenth: maybe |
| 01:11.53 | Primer | Jamash: that's a 4 letter word here |
| 01:12.12 | Jamash | it's an acronym, not a word |
| 01:12.24 | Primer | If you're going to be pedantic... |
| 01:12.30 | Jamash | I am |
| 01:12.39 | mckenziemc | i'm not so sure acronyms aren't words |
| 01:12.40 | Primer | P.E.R.L. <-- acronyms have periods |
| 01:12.57 | Primer | and are capitalized |
| 01:13.06 | Primer | /usr/bin/P.E.R.L |
| 01:13.46 | Primer | I have a signed copy of "Programming Perl" :) |
| 01:14.03 | Jamash | no, P.E.R.L. would be an initialism |
| 01:14.04 | Primer | An old boss of mine that lived next door to Larry Wall got it for me |
| 01:14.15 | Jamash | like "BBC" |
| 01:14.18 | Primer | "To a friend of a friend" |
| 01:14.22 | Jamash | pronounced bee bee cee |
| 01:14.27 | Jamash | perl is pronounced perl |
| 01:14.36 | Primer | Jamash: you're taking this too far |
| 01:14.46 | Jamash | Oh yeah? |
| 01:16.27 | Primer | Let's just say we both love perl and leave it at that? |
| 01:16.30 | Jamash | well I say your 0.5% titanium tax doesn't go too far enough! |
| 01:16.39 | Primer | Well, I love perl, at least |
| 01:17.57 | Primer | I had a former co-worker tell me about a perl POE script I wrote for doing postfix policy (specifically SPF checking), was still running after 2+ years of uptime |
| 01:17.58 | Jamash | I love perl but it hurts |
| 01:18.47 | Primer | I then asked him to connect to it and issue the "stats" command, something I built into it just to satisfy my curiosity...it had processed several billion requests |
| 01:18.55 | Jamash | and it crashed |
| 01:19.00 | Primer | nope |
| 01:19.31 | Jamash | billions and billions |
| 01:19.37 | Primer | and it still had the same 23M of RSS memory footprint as one running on another server that had been recently rebooted |
| 01:19.45 | Primer | </Carl Sagan>? |
| 01:22.14 | Primer | I love being able to write stuff in any language I choose. I've been lucky to have that be the case the last 3 jobs I've had, spanning 12 years now |
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| 01:26.37 | [Wobin] | Vladinator: How did you manage to get a two letter gmail account name? |
| 01:26.59 | Vladinator | was a joke, used + as if you can have more than 1 :p it strips the end ;( |
| 01:27.10 | Vladinator | don't pay attention to it :p |
| 01:27.14 | [Wobin] | ah right =P |
| 01:27.30 | [Wobin] | I use the plus addressing all the time for signing up to possibly dodgy sources |
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| 01:27.46 | [Wobin] | makes it easy to figure out who's selling my email address |
| 01:28.09 | mckenziemc | assuming they don't strip that off |
| 01:28.39 | Vladinator | you can use dots |
| 01:28.42 | Vladinator | they get excluded |
| 01:28.51 | Vladinator | bob can be b....o..b@gmail |
| 01:28.52 | Vladinator | it works :P |
| 01:29.03 | Primer | You have bob@gmail!?!? |
| 01:29.06 | Vladinator | no |
| 01:29.08 | Vladinator | I wish |
| 01:29.09 | Primer | sigh |
| 01:29.14 | Primer | I was just trying to keep it going |
| 01:29.19 | Vladinator | hey |
| 01:29.21 | [Wobin] | yeah, some sites are -terrible- at escaping email addresses |
| 01:29.31 | Vladinator | C++ equivalent for hashmap? :P |
| 01:29.34 | [Wobin] | well dots don't help, really |
| 01:29.46 | [Wobin] | for uniqifying addresses |
| 01:29.58 | [Wobin] | unless you use morse code or something |
| 01:31.22 | Unkle | dit dah dit |
| 01:32.32 | Arrowmaster | Mr_Rabies: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRN-IrejBTw |
| 01:33.14 | alestane | There's a map template class, Vladinator. |
| 01:33.37 | Vladinator | found hash_map ye |
| 01:35.58 | [Wobin] | Perl is a WORN language |
| 01:36.18 | Unkle | PERL is a language of PAIN and SUFFERING |
| 01:37.22 | Kaylin | perl is an opalescent language... |
| 01:38.01 | [Wobin] | Pretty to look at, but hard to see through? |
| 01:38.36 | Kaylin | I was thinking more generally white with rainbows when you glint like off it, kinda like pearls, but that works too. |
| 01:43.39 | Vladinator | sprintf says my "write to" has bad pointer, hmm |
| 01:43.44 | Vladinator | char *temp; isn't enough? |
| 01:44.12 | Vladinator | maybe char temp[128]; or something ^^ |
| 01:44.43 | mckenziemc | darn, i should've given this city-state more troops |
| 01:44.50 | mckenziemc | they got a danish city to half health o.o |
| 01:45.36 | mckenziemc | (i donated troops so they could defend themselves but they went on the offense) |
| 01:47.16 | pompy | "You guys should grow up. You're throwing a giant hissy fit over something that, in reality, will only help more people. You guys are horrible people. The internet is supposed to be freedom, and you guys are trying to limit it. You should be ashamed." |
| 01:47.18 | pompy | lol....... |
| 01:52.38 | mckenziemc | i guess addon authors don't deserve any of the aforementioned freedom |
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| 01:53.34 | pompy | "As somebody posted earlier, it's pretty evident that the addon authors posting here are simply in it for the money. If they cared about the players who use their addon they wouldn't be bitching about having it on a site that for the first time made it easy for me, a casual player to choose and install addons." |
| 01:53.38 | pompy | :O |
| 01:54.03 | Seerah | where does it say that? |
| 01:54.07 | pompy | the comments |
| 01:54.17 | pompy | http://www.tentonhammer.com/playerscore/news/spark-welcome?page=1 |
| 01:54.19 | pompy | page 2 |
| 01:54.28 | Seerah | danke |
| 01:54.41 | mckenziemc | page 1 is page 2 |
| 01:54.42 | pompy | lol clicking page 2 adds the "page=1" var |
| 01:54.44 | pompy | fail |
| 01:54.50 | mckenziemc | no pompy |
| 01:54.52 | mckenziemc | it's 0 based |
| 01:55.07 | pompy | ok? |
| 01:55.12 | pompy | they should have +1'd it |
| 01:55.29 | mckenziemc | well ok |
| 01:55.31 | Acenth | It isn't consistent |
| 01:55.40 | Acenth | SOmetimes you need to do page=2 to get new replies |
| 01:55.41 | pompy | "Nice job greedy authors. I don't see the Deadly Boss Mods guys on here complaining. None of you are even close to building what they have done." |
| 01:55.54 | mckenziemc | personally believes conventional numbering should start with 0 |
| 01:56.03 | Acenth | agrees |
| 01:56.16 | Acenth | but still thinks you shouldn't need to modify the url to get the latest replies |
| 01:56.37 | mckenziemc | yeah |
| 01:56.43 | Acenth | I don't think any author wants a user like that. |
| 02:05.21 | kd3 | ugh, fuck people calling out |
| 02:05.40 | pompy | angry! |
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| 02:13.30 | kd3 | new wireless NIC, lessee if this helps with the wow connectivity... |
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| 02:46.35 | Torhal | I responded to Mr. Greedy in kind. |
| 02:46.37 | Torhal | Fuckhead. |
| 02:51.11 | kd3 | in other news, wtf. a 3rd perfect game this season? |
| 02:51.31 | pompy | yup |
| 02:51.36 | pompy | 23rd in history |
| 02:51.52 | Arrowmaster | Torhal: do you have access to addon install base data from the curse client? |
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| 02:53.10 | Arrowmaster | im tempted to reply to that guy about his "I don't see the Deadly Boss Mods guys on here complaining. None of you are even close to building what they have done." comment |
| 02:53.44 | Trela | D: |
| 02:54.04 | pompy | well do it in a way by not bashing DBM, right? |
| 02:54.12 | Trela | Factory Service Manual: "Junction Block C7" Location: "Junction Block" NO SHIT... now where is that junction block? |
| 02:54.20 | Arrowmaster | im guessing nothing still comes close to the install base that Cartographer had back in TBC before QuestHelper took the throne of most widely installed addon from me |
| 02:56.08 | Arrowmaster | i estimated once that Cartographer had over 1 million unique users, I dont think a boss mod addon has that many installs |
| 02:56.39 | pompy | Trela: what car? |
| 02:57.07 | Trela | Jeep Cherokee... I have the diagrams, just that obvious description was not entirely helpful. :P |
| 03:01.54 | pompy | Trela: looks like the door maybe. |
| 03:02.54 | Trela | pompy: Left kick panel by the door. Just a lot of things in the FSM with vague descriptions. I am printing out the completely visual wiring locations now. |
| 03:03.34 | Trela | OH |
| 03:03.42 | Trela | They call the fuse panel the junction box. |
| 03:04.24 | Thunder_Child | Sounds like someone from EU wrote that |
| 03:04.33 | Arrowmaster | lol i could have told you that, the issue is which fuse panel because cars can have multiple ones |
| 03:04.55 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: I do not. |
| 03:05.00 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: Did you see my reply? |
| 03:05.14 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
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| 03:06.02 | Trela | To put this in perspective I am wiring a 2000 Cherokee wiring harness into a 1997 Cherokee harness. Which then will then have its rear half wired into a 1987 Jeep Comanche wiring harness. I MIGHT be crazy. |
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| 03:06.17 | Arrowmaster | i can count on my fingers the number of authors that i would estimate have had their addons or libraries on more users machines than me, and the funny thing is i have met all of them in person except two |
| 03:07.41 | Arrowmaster | nevcairiel: you need to come to the next blizzcon |
| 03:10.14 | kd3 | huh |
| 03:10.35 | kd3 | blizz wants me to change my authenticator but they haven't updated the one on the play market yet |
| 03:11.06 | Arrowmaster | i just removed mine, generated a new one on the phone and readded it |
| 03:12.22 | kd3 | ah, there we go. it's in a different spot |
| 03:12.31 | Cairenn|afk | Well. There are still 54 pages worth of addons on their site, so I take it they are ignoring all author requests to remove their addons. |
| 03:14.55 | Shadowed | they are |
| 03:15.03 | Shadowed | I emailed them twice so far without a response |
| 03:15.12 | kd3 | oh, nice. blizz's secret questions mostly don't look like they can be found online. |
| 03:15.42 | ccox | http://www.tentonhammer.com/playerscore/news/spark-welcome?page=1 |
| 03:15.50 | Cairenn | Shadowed: /sigh |
| 03:15.53 | ccox | still trying to lie his way out |
| 03:16.11 | Cairenn | ccox: ? |
| 03:16.15 | ccox | and why do I suspect that his supporters are more of the sock variety |
| 03:16.23 | Cairenn | indeed |
| 03:16.59 | Shadowed | I'm sure they are |
| 03:17.04 | Arrowmaster | is there a new reply? im not seeing one |
| 03:17.06 | Cairenn | You guys know that we'll do everything we can to help support you. |
| 03:17.11 | Cairenn | me either |
| 03:17.14 | Shadowed | given that all the supporters have basically said |
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| 03:17.18 | Shadowed | "you guys are greedy" |
| 03:17.19 | Shadowed | in different ways |
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| 03:18.27 | Cairenn | the most recent I see is the one from B. de la Durantave |
| 03:18.34 | pompy | the one guuy said ""You guys should grow up. You're throwing a giant hissy fit over something that, in reality, will only help more people. You guys are horrible people. The internet is supposed to be freedom, and you guys are trying to limit it. You should be ashamed."" |
| 03:19.27 | Arrowmaster | oh im not seeing that one Cairenn |
| 03:19.36 | Cairenn | page 2 of the comments |
| 03:20.29 | Arrowmaster | yeah im on page 2, most recent i see is Azilroka on Thu, 08/16/2012 - 02:48 |
| 03:20.44 | Cairenn | http://pastebin.com/XMfGWuWC |
| 03:21.07 | Cairenn | that's the most recent that I see from the TTH/WoA guys |
| 03:21.28 | Arrowmaster | oh yeah i see that one |
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| 03:21.47 | ccox | the comments spilled over to a second page - reload and keep reading |
| 03:23.39 | quse | I get a real douchey feel from the line "It is regrettable that some have claimed they were never contacted" |
| 03:24.09 | Arrowmaster | i suspect thats because they didnt realize their PM spaming was getting blocked |
| 03:24.13 | quse | I think it's that he states people who didn't get an email are "claiming" that they never got one |
| 03:24.20 | Arrowmaster | probably because they setup a bot to do it |
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| 03:24.37 | ccox | Actually, I suspect there was never a serious effort to contact authors |
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| 03:24.54 | quse | nah man, it was an ENTIRE STAFF contacting people |
| 03:25.13 | quse | staff made of Skynets |
| 03:25.17 | Arrowmaster | their serious effort was sending people PMs on curse and wowi that ended up getting deleted by the staff |
| 03:25.30 | Cairenn | ^^ |
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| 03:32.34 | arton | I can't find it in the scrollback. Someone's hosting addons without permission again? |
| 03:33.00 | arton | Just send a DMCA complaint. |
| 03:33.01 | Cairenn | yes |
| 03:33.12 | arton | The author would have to. |
| 03:33.29 | pompy | arton: http://www.tentonhammer.com/playerscore/news/spark-welcome |
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| 04:06.52 | Thunder_Child | interesting, TinyCog is capitalized but cogwheel is not. |
| 04:09.22 | arton | Jetson, you're fired. |
| 04:24.56 | quse | whats with that latest post in the TTH thread thing? |
| 04:25.37 | Cairenn | ? |
| 04:25.45 | quse | http://www.tentonhammer.com/playerscore/news/spark-welcome?page=1 |
| 04:26.05 | Cairenn | the one from Azilroka? |
| 04:26.17 | quse | Affli |
| 04:26.58 | Cairenn | obviously isn't following your train of thought |
| 04:27.11 | Ackis | choo choo |
| 04:27.27 | quse | the one that looks like an email from Arxkanite |
| 04:27.27 | Cairenn | chuggachuggachugga |
| 04:28.23 | Cairenn | ah, I'm not seeing that one, for whatever reason |
| 04:28.34 | Cairenn | hence my confusion as to what you are asking :) |
| 04:29.13 | quse | http://pastebin.com/zXw7FHTd |
| 04:29.42 | Cairenn | ooooh ... |
| 04:29.48 | Cairenn | guess they pulled it |
| 04:29.53 | Thunder_Child | nope |
| 04:30.01 | Cairenn | is it the same as this one? http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showpost.php?p=259703&postcount=33 |
| 04:30.17 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 04:30.25 | Cairenn | gotcha |
| 04:30.49 | Cairenn | pointing out the hypocrisy |
| 04:31.07 | quse | he was being a total dick on the first page of the TTH comment thread |
| 04:31.25 | quse | guess he's completely full of sand now because no one wants their addons on WoA |
| 04:31.38 | Cairenn | yes, he was |
| 04:32.03 | Cairenn | (being a dick) |
| 04:36.52 | Ackis | some good conversations here: http://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/y8usy/new_addon_hosting_site_steals_authors_work/ |
| 04:37.00 | mckenziemc | ~smackis |
| 04:37.00 | purl | ACTION smacks Ackis. |
| 04:37.11 | Esamynn | lol |
| 04:37.33 | Ackis | I should change that one day |
| 04:37.44 | Esamynn | ~factinfo smackis |
| 04:37.44 | purl | error: you do not have enough flags for that. (o required) |
| 04:37.44 | purl | smackis -- created by mckenziemc <~Mark@adsl-68-127-51-27.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net> at Sat Jun 25 16:05:25 2011 (417 days); it has been requested 37 times, last by mckenziemc, 44s ago. |
| 04:39.22 | mckenziemc | wow, over a year old now |
| 04:48.09 | Torhal | Aww, mckenziemc is growing up. |
| 04:48.25 | Esamynn | it's kinda sickening |
| 04:48.39 | Esamynn | .. bad fingers.. bad! |
| 04:59.27 | ccox | New song from Devo: http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2012/08/15/read-the-lyrics-of-devos-new-song-about-mitt-romneys-dog?google_editors_picks=true |
| 05:00.46 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: GAH - Preview your timeline now and make any changes you want before other people see it starting August 21. |
| 05:01.43 | quse | Devo has a new song!? |
| 05:01.44 | Arrowmaster | they got you too |
| 05:02.11 | Cairenn | I just said t'hell with it and went ahead and put it live on my page a while back |
| 05:02.24 | AcidWeb | ohoho |
| 05:02.36 | AcidWeb | worldofaddons twitter account is suspended |
| 05:02.38 | Cairenn | You're going to have to sooner or later, if you are staying on FB, so may as well just bite the bullet |
| 05:02.42 | Cairenn | oh? |
| 05:02.58 | Esamynn | suspended? |
| 05:03.02 | Esamynn | O_o |
| 05:03.09 | Torhal | I still load it just fine. |
| 05:03.13 | Cairenn | how do you know that? |
| 05:03.34 | Cairenn | I'm at it (although from what I see they haven't posted in 22hrs) |
| 05:03.50 | Torhal | Huh - says 20h for me. |
| 05:03.51 | AcidWeb | ekhem. Nvm. |
| 05:03.59 | Torhal | dips AcidWeb in acid. |
| 05:04.07 | AcidWeb | After forth reload it show up |
| 05:04.48 | Esamynn | ~fail AcidWeb |
| 05:04.49 | purl | AcidWeb, you Fail! |
| 05:05.38 | mckenziemc | ~lart Esamynn |
| 05:05.38 | purl | keeps mailing Esamynn free America Online CDs until he drowns |
| 05:06.12 | Esamynn | mckenziemc: what was that for?! |
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| 05:06.42 | mckenziemc | everything |
| 05:06.52 | Esamynn | ~whaleslap mckenziemc |
| 05:06.53 | purl | ACTION beats mckenziemc upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 05:08.19 | AcidWeb | "It is regrettable that some have claimed they were never contacted as there has been an entire staff in place for some time dedicated solely to contacting authors to share the idea." |
| 05:08.47 | Esamynn | they are really sticking to that one |
| 05:08.48 | AcidWeb | They still think that "some" is synonymous to "most" |
| 05:09.13 | Torhal | Doesn't matter: Lack of contact does not equal consent. |
| 05:09.28 | Shadowed | when in doubt, lie |
| 05:10.11 | Corrodias | i don't know if you can get anything from them besides their advertising revenue with legal action |
| 05:10.43 | Torhal | Fuck damages. I just want them shut down. |
| 05:10.48 | Shadowed | It's probably time to start DMCAing them |
| 05:11.21 | Cairenn | Since they seem to be ignoring requests in the thread/via the 'contact us' address, it may just be |
| 05:12.02 | Torhal | We could send Arrowmaster in on a black op... |
| 05:12.07 | Cairenn | heh |
| 05:12.35 | Esamynn | we need to form a raid... TTH can't be that hard to take down |
| 05:12.37 | Arrowmaster | Torhal: id do it if you pay for transport |
| 05:12.38 | Corrodias | man, i think i'd have opened with a dmca salvo just based on their entire premise |
| 05:12.44 | AcidWeb | Torhal: We dont have to show mercy. Send Fisker. |
| 05:13.04 | Corrodias | mainly targetting their web host; i'm not sure i want to target google and encourage search result censorship |
| 05:13.33 | Esamynn | AcidWeb: is that the worst (best) person you can come up with? |
| 05:13.42 | Fisker | why mad AcidWeb ? |
| 05:14.16 | arton | ERROR: GitHub is offline for maintenance. See http://status.github.com for more info. |
| 05:14.19 | arton | Fisker, fix it. |
| 05:14.20 | AcidWeb | Fisker: :* |
| 05:15.56 | Torhal | AcidWeb: Ooooh |
| 05:17.02 | Torhal | Cairenn: Oh, snap! If only EWOlson were here for this. |
| 05:17.18 | Cairenn | shudders and rolls her eyes |
| 05:17.21 | Torhal | Heh |
| 05:19.45 | Fisker | i can fix it arton |
| 05:20.07 | Fisker | start by hiring Charles Carreon |
| 05:20.08 | mckenziemc | no one can fix your birth Fisker |
| 05:21.36 | Esamynn | gee, all the Fisker hate |
| 05:21.54 | Fisker | so rude |
| 05:22.08 | mckenziemc | ~love Fisker |
| 05:22.08 | purl | If you love Fisker so much, why don't you marry it? (oooooh) |
| 05:22.32 | Fisker | even purl is a jerk |
| 05:22.41 | Esamynn | this is not news |
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| 05:30.53 | Esamynn | ~fiskerslap |
| 05:30.53 | purl | ACTION slaps a large trout around a bit with Fisker. |
| 05:31.57 | Fisker | sup Esamynn |
| 05:32.05 | Esamynn | oh nothing |
| 05:32.11 | Esamynn | I'm sure you did something to deserve that |
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| 05:35.38 | Fisker | may i disagree? |
| 05:36.02 | Esamynn | no |
| 05:37.17 | Fisker | oh ok |
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| 05:50.07 | pompy | "Your account is currently unavailable due to a site issue. We expect this to be resolved shortly. Please try again in a few minutes." .. hmm facebook, its been an hour and a half! |
| 05:51.49 | Fisker | why would you facebook? |
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| 06:08.34 | pompy | why would you IRC |
| 06:11.52 | Torhal | pompy: You wouldn't download a Fisker. |
| 06:17.29 | AcidWeb | Somebody can translate this FrameXML.log error to english? |
| 06:17.31 | AcidWeb | http://pastebin.com/qYiV940Q |
| 06:18.13 | zenzio | I'm confused, isn't that already English? |
| 06:18.42 | p3lim | Does FontString even have inherits? |
| 06:19.30 | AcidWeb | zenzio: I mean that I don't understand this error :-) |
| 06:20.10 | zenzio | oh, right... sorry, just got up, not enough sleep :-1 |
| 06:22.22 | AcidWeb | p3lim: Even without that inherit this error appear. |
| 06:23.31 | zenzio | just for kicks, remove the fontstring tag and see if it still complains. I expect it won't, but still |
| 06:24.16 | AcidWeb | Yup removing it helped. |
| 06:24.24 | AcidWeb | I cant remember why i put it there in first place. |
| 06:24.26 | AcidWeb | ;p |
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| 06:52.20 | Sintacks | does cpu profiling not work on beta, or does brokercpu not have beta support for it ... :| |
| 07:01.10 | Torhal | Surprise! They deleted the post about the GearScore takedown notice |
| 07:03.57 | AcidWeb | Magic. |
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| 07:46.00 | Yoshimo | does the blizzard backgrounddownloader still use a torrent that one could use in an external tool? |
| 07:47.00 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 07:47.06 | jnwhiteh | any idea why they removed string.dump? |
| 07:47.39 | zenzio | what did it do? |
| 07:47.42 | jnwhiteh | ah, found it |
| 07:47.49 | jnwhiteh | !api string.dump |
| 07:47.49 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'string.dump' can be found at http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#pdf-string.dump |
| 07:48.18 | zenzio | ah |
| 07:49.19 | zenzio | man, I still worry every time I run a remove in mongodb. Why an update only affects one row unless you specifically tell it to update all matches, while remove happily removes everything I do not understand. Makes me run a find() before every remove() [from the command line] |
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| 07:51.26 | jnwhiteh | hrm, they definitely changed the behaviour of debugdump as well |
| 07:51.27 | jnwhiteh | bah |
| 07:52.05 | zenzio | not directly replaceable I take it? |
| 07:52.22 | Humbedooh | no :\ |
| 07:53.04 | jnwhiteh | i dont seem to have a way to test for whether a function is defined in C or not |
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| 08:07.37 | Fisker | hey jnwhiteh |
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| 08:13.25 | Ackis | hey jnwhiteh I think g0urra might want to buy a murkablo |
| 08:18.29 | Fisker | hey Ackis |
| 08:18.48 | Ackis | hi Fisker |
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| 08:24.06 | bluspacecow | http://mashable.com/2012/08/15/anime-porn-subway-facebook-page/?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=pulsenews LOL |
| 08:25.34 | Fisker | there was redtube on the information kiosks on a train station here bluspacecow |
| 08:25.38 | Fisker | umad? |
| 08:26.21 | bluspacecow | LOL |
| 08:27.02 | bluspacecow | well thats denmark for you |
| 08:32.11 | Ackis | have they said if the heroic rag/madness mounts will no longer be 100% after 5.0.4 yet? |
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| 08:33.47 | bluspacecow | mr acky waky |
| 08:33.49 | bluspacecow | hi! |
| 08:34.50 | Ackis | hi bluepoo |
| 08:34.51 | g0urra | Ackis: how did they do it with hc lk? |
| 08:35.14 | g0urra | speaking of which, LK doesn't redirect to Lich King.. |
| 08:36.02 | Ackis | g0urra: they dropped the drop rate to like 1% with ulduar/heroic LK |
| 08:36.28 | g0urra | so yeah, they'll most likely do the same with cata hc mounts |
| 08:37.05 | Ackis | that's what I think too, just no annoincement yet |
| 08:39.23 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:39.37 | Ackis | sexy |
| 08:39.44 | Ackis | play simcity social |
| 08:40.30 | bluspacecow | no i wants play chefville |
| 08:41.24 | Ackis | my game is better |
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| 08:49.21 | g0urra | pokes jnwhiteh |
| 08:50.13 | g0urra | Ackis: why is simcity social better? |
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| 08:51.02 | Ackis | g0urra: because it doesn't have chef in the name |
| 08:51.13 | Ackis | btw did you see my ping about murkablo in the channel? |
| 08:53.30 | AcidWeb | Anybody have a while for two fast arena games on Mekkatorque beta realm? I need check some code. |
| 08:53.59 | bluspacecow | um |
| 08:54.05 | bluspacecow | AW i would love to |
| 08:54.09 | bluspacecow | but i need to go shopping |
| 08:54.14 | bluspacecow | which i'm late for |
| 08:54.15 | bluspacecow | LOL |
| 08:54.32 | AcidWeb | :-) |
| 08:55.02 | g0urra | yes Ackis |
| 08:59.20 | bluspacecow | :( |
| 08:59.22 | bluspacecow | acidweb |
| 08:59.25 | bluspacecow | i just realised |
| 08:59.28 | bluspacecow | to go shopping |
| 08:59.35 | bluspacecow | i need to put on proper pants |
| 08:59.38 | bluspacecow | and get out of my PJs |
| 08:59.40 | bluspacecow | :( |
| 09:04.24 | AcidWeb | bluspacecow: Already found other victim ;] |
| 09:04.28 | p3lim | Anyone gotten their addon removal request granted yet? |
| 09:05.02 | AcidWeb | Not me. |
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| 09:21.44 | Blazeflack | p3lim: no, not yet |
| 09:22.19 | Yoshimo | silvershard mine carts, does someone know the actual icon name for them? |
| 09:25.44 | g0urra | hmpf.. people complain about the stuff I extend and upload on youtube |
| 09:27.29 | AcidWeb | Hmm. |
| 09:27.42 | AcidWeb | That new Arena UI is quite limited. |
| 09:28.06 | AcidWeb | Before gate opening i can get only class and spec |
| 09:28.27 | AcidWeb | All other api calls for arena1...5 return nils |
| 09:37.34 | bleeter | For any Kiwis in here who missed it, Game Masters exhibition is heading your way. I thoroughly recommend it http://www.tepapa.govt.nz/WhatsOn/exhibitions/Pages/GameMasters.aspx |
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| 09:40.32 | xyphoid | bleeter: ta! |
| 09:40.45 | xyphoid | i'm conveniently in wellington in Jan |
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| 09:41.43 | xyphoid | oh it's from ACMI, we really enjoyed that place too on our stopover |
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| 09:42.13 | bleeter | xyphoid: :) looks like a slightly smaller display than what's currently on show in Melbourne, Australia, but total fun++ guaranteed :) |
| 09:42.38 | eastrice | Is there a way to force update interface options panels or specific dropdowns in them without taint? I'm setting interface options at PEW and if I open otions after, check boxes and sliders are updated to the new values but dropdowns are not. |
| 09:42.56 | bleeter | xyphoid: yeah I've become quite fond of ACMI. Next time you're in the area, though, drop down to Hobart, Tasmania, to see MONA ;) |
| 09:43.06 | xyphoid | we had like an eight hour stopover in melb to wander around town, happened to walk into acmi, and spent like 4 hours there |
| 09:44.03 | bleeter | could almost make it to hobart, out to MONA and back, in 8 hours from Melb airport ;) http://mona.net.au/ |
| 09:45.24 | xyphoid | well somewhere in aus might be the next overseas trip, heh |
| 09:45.34 | xyphoid | we just did the US so somewhere slightly easier perhaps |
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| 10:05.39 | Yoshimo | anyone an idea what the wowservers check for when you try to visit the webseeds in your browser, which blizzard uses for their patches? |
| 10:08.38 | zenzio | I'm not sure I understand. Webseeds? |
| 10:17.36 | d87_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bittorrent#Web_seeding |
| 10:19.13 | zenzio | interesting |
| 10:28.46 | Maldivia | Yoshimo: what do you mean "check for", you can easily download the files using a browser without any tricks |
| 10:32.13 | Yoshimo | the question is would i be able to add them to a torrent as webseeds and have them working properly with lets say utorrent |
| 10:35.02 | Maldivia | I would assume so - you could always just try the .tfil in the wow folder, that's a torrent for downloading all the wow data files, including web-seeeds |
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| 10:51.57 | Yoshimo | its not an original torrent, format has to be converted somehow, which im currently trying todo |
| 10:55.07 | Yoshimo | mfil links to the webseed and lists akamai and limewire urls, if you open the tfil in your torrent tool, you will see lots of "alignment" files that are just a few kb in size, and the torrent wont start |
| 10:55.21 | Yoshimo | some conversion has to be done |
| 11:02.46 | Maldivia | Yoshimo: padding files are not uncommon |
| 11:05.18 | Yoshimo | the question still is: why does my torrentclient not like this file^^ |
| 11:05.29 | zenzio | which client? |
| 11:06.21 | Yoshimo | vuze and utorrent both dont like it |
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| 11:26.55 | Yoshimo | "torrent contains nameless field" |
| 11:28.15 | AcidWeb | Somebody here have 90lev char and planning to play new battlegrounds soon? |
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| 11:28.42 | Kalroth | Yoshimo: if you're talking about the Blizzard torrent file, then it's been expanded |
| 11:29.35 | Yoshimo | yes i talk about it Kalroth and wonder how to make it load in utorrent^^ |
| 11:29.37 | Kalroth | the torrent standard allows for meta tags, but Blizzard is the only one to use it (to my knowledge), so no clients support it |
| 11:29.51 | Yoshimo | meta tag? |
| 11:30.03 | Kalroth | tags with additional information, inside the torrent file |
| 11:30.14 | Kalroth | i think Blizzard lists http downloads there |
| 11:31.07 | Yoshimo | i thought that was in the smaller fil file |
| 11:32.02 | bluspacecow | whatcha downloading? |
| 11:32.48 | Yoshimo | 5.04 prepatch and wondering if one could get away from the blizzard loader |
| 11:33.52 | Yoshimo | where in the spec are they listed? |
| 11:33.56 | Kalroth | http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_mirrors#5.0.4 |
| 11:33.57 | bluspacecow | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/6307652921 |
| 11:34.49 | bluspacecow | mine are from the CDN servers Blizzard uses. |
| 11:35.08 | bluspacecow | last one , the locale file if you don't use enUS try changing it to the locale you use. |
| 11:35.29 | Yoshimo | nice title there greenhorn ;) |
| 11:37.02 | Yoshimo | thanks for the links but still im curious how to get back to the old wowtorrentex+utorrent times ;) |
| 11:38.22 | bluspacecow | they don't exist anymore |
| 11:39.39 | Yoshimo | the tfil is a torrent isnt it? just a bit altered |
| 11:40.44 | Maldivia | it's a torrent file, just have entries that cleints doens't expect and then freak out |
| 11:41.12 | bluspacecow | yep |
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| 11:42.19 | Stacks | anyone around? |
| 11:42.44 | Maldivia | probably not the ones you're looking for |
| 11:43.06 | Stacks | for scroll of res? |
| 11:43.14 | bluspacecow | i is not fat |
| 11:43.16 | bluspacecow | :P |
| 11:43.21 | bluspacecow | "around" |
| 11:43.22 | bluspacecow | get it ? |
| 11:43.25 | Stacks | lol |
| 11:43.36 | Stacks | any of u guys able to send me a scroll? |
| 11:43.49 | bluspacecow | brb washing |
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| 11:51.44 | Yoshimo | bluspacecow : your llnwd links result in empty pages , did i do something wrong there? |
| 11:53.37 | bluspacecow | weird |
| 11:53.51 | bluspacecow | checked your downloads ? |
| 11:56.24 | bluspacecow | hmmm |
| 11:56.38 | bluspacecow | they don't seem to be mirrored on that CDN. my bad. |
| 12:00.25 | bluspacecow | also http://blizzard.vo.llnwd.net/o16/content/wow-pod-retail/NA/15050.direct/wow-15595-7B4881788F3979AE698A8420A294C4E0.torrent |
| 12:00.52 | bluspacecow | i'm looking at that torrent file in Vuze and it has Temp 5.0 migration data MPQs in it (the pre-patch download) |
| 12:01.13 | Fisker | why do you hate blizzard loader Yoshimo ? |
| 12:01.48 | Yoshimo | i love to have a choice between alternatives |
| 12:02.51 | Yoshimo | also why have the blizz tool seeding if i already seed other files with a diffrent tool? |
| 12:03.44 | Fisker | if you only love having a choice why are you actively pursuing trying to download it not using the blizzard downloader? |
| 12:05.40 | bluspacecow | u mad? |
| 12:07.52 | Amarande | Heh, some of us just don't seed the patch at all :P |
| 12:08.12 | Amarande | but then, when you're American and have a monthly bandwidth cap that counts upload, it's probably not a good idea to, especially at release for something like this :P |
| 12:10.56 | bluspacecow | corrected the limelight links btw yoshimo |
| 12:16.41 | Yoshimo | where did you get that real torrent from btw? |
| 12:17.10 | Yoshimo | these files sound rather randomly named |
| 12:17.35 | bluspacecow | Maldivia's patch scan bot |
| 12:18.19 | bluspacecow | when the prepatcj come it caused the bot to hickup links to the current live patch in its email |
| 12:18.49 | Yoshimo | patch scan bot, intresting what people create ;) |
| 12:19.01 | bluspacecow | not me … Maldivia |
| 12:19.53 | bluspacecow | it emails when a new patch goes up … with prepatch it just gives links to live for some reason :| |
| 12:25.22 | Yoshimo | the backgrounddownloader also said something about downloading 4.3.3 to 4.3.4 ;) |
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| 12:37.46 | bluspacecow | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpLciLSlJkI&feature=youtu.be |
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| 12:53.49 | bluspacecow | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvYXoyxLv64 |
| 12:54.05 | bluspacecow | ^^ MoP cinematic |
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| 12:58.52 | Yoshimo | very nice work again from their cinematic team ;) |
| 13:00.25 | zenzio | do they actually do their cinematics in-house? I think I recall that the Cataclysm one was made by an outside company |
| 13:03.04 | Yoshimo | whoever does them, i really like them all |
| 13:04.02 | alestane | Blizzard does indeed have their own cinematics department. |
| 13:05.16 | Stanzilla | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRN-IrejBTw&feature=player_embedded |
| 13:10.11 | zenzio | I could've sworn I saw an interview about the Cataclysm trailer that seemed to be from a different company, but I can't seem to find it... so I imagine I was wrong |
| 13:10.29 | bluspacecow | might of had different people working on it |
| 13:10.35 | bluspacecow | same company tho probably |
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| 13:11.17 | Maldivia | zenzio: they did with the D3 100% unlock video - don't know if that's what you're thinking of? |
| 13:11.36 | zenzio | no, I'm thinking of the Cataclysm trailer specifically |
| 13:11.45 | Maldivia | hmm, ok |
| 13:11.52 | zenzio | it's quite likely that I'm just misremembering or misunderstood the interview |
| 13:11.55 | zenzio | been long enough |
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| 13:37.18 | AcidWeb | Looking for somebody who will be play on the new battlegrounds soon. |
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| 14:02.24 | Vladinator | to who ever saw me whine about the thing I was writing to parse a lot of text and such, I did it! by getting VB10 then compiling the code and making it output data I can easily use instead of spewing out nonsense ;D |
| 14:03.15 | Elkano | so you were too lazy to write a parser? ;) |
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| 14:03.51 | Vladinator | I still wrote a parser, but I made it so it was easier, less to parse. Was over 100mb average before, now the dumps are up to 5mb :P |
| 14:04.06 | zenzio | heh |
| 14:04.07 | Vladinator | Much easier to parse 5mb of text in comparison. |
| 14:06.49 | Kraps | oh the mop cinematic is out |
| 14:08.15 | Fisker | old Kraps |
| 14:08.21 | mckenziemc | old Fisker |
| 14:09.01 | Fisker | old mckenziemc |
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| 14:12.56 | Vladinator | when steam updates something (ONLY when updating) it eats like 90% of my HDD read write lol, can barely open notepad :/ |
| 14:13.49 | Fisker | mad? |
| 14:13.58 | Amarande | sounds like you need a better computer :| |
| 14:14.06 | Vladinator | nah, it's when I go get myself some water lol |
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| 14:14.33 | Vladinator | think it's something else, wasn't like this until some months ago, suddenly started to behave like this :D |
| 14:14.42 | Vladinator | I know, time to format soon ;p |
| 14:15.02 | Amarande | yeah, sounds like you have too many things installed on your poor old PC |
| 14:15.20 | Amarande | Malware program authors like to insist that "is your computer slowing down?" is most likely because of viruses and/or spyware. |
| 14:15.23 | Amarande | In reality, it's pretty simple. |
| 14:15.30 | Amarande | Do you upgrade software regularly on your PC? |
| 14:15.35 | Amarande | Do you upgrade your hardware as regularly? :) |
| 14:15.53 | mckenziemc | oh great my IRC is slowing down again |
| 14:16.03 | Amarande | Of course your computer's going to slow down over time, the natural progression of things is to constantly increase the demand upon system resources, while you don't usually upgrade said system resources as often :P |
| 14:17.12 | Amarande | Besides, only poorly coded spyware should chew up noticeable amounts of system resources, there's a reason it's the proverbial fly on the wall, not the proverbial elekk on the wall heh |
| 14:17.56 | mckenziemc | "poorly coded spyware" -> most of it? |
| 14:18.12 | p3lim | https://twitter.com/TenTonHammer/status/236104253981216769 |
| 14:18.18 | mckenziemc | anyway i'm off to save my sanity by getting some sleep now |
| 14:18.29 | p3lim | First word at all from their twitter |
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| 14:19.40 | Acenth | Pretty sad. |
| 14:19.49 | Acenth | They are so quick to defend their actions, not so quick to fix them |
| 14:20.09 | p3lim | And quick to mute anyone with serious accusations |
| 14:20.12 | p3lim | *cough* |
| 14:21.10 | Kraps | great cinematic |
| 14:22.25 | Vladinator | sleep at 16:20 LOL :D |
| 14:22.29 | Vladinator | jk ;) gn |
| 14:24.23 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3oAS50T_tM&feature=endscreen |
| 14:24.25 | Kraps | wat |
| 14:24.29 | Kraps | waaaaaaaaaaaaaat |
| 14:24.49 | p3lim | Blizzard tech support MVP joining the hate on tentom :D |
| 14:25.03 | p3lim | tenton* |
| 14:25.05 | Torhal | p3lim: Where? |
| 14:25.07 | Ressy | damn right |
| 14:25.11 | p3lim | https://twitter.com/RessyM/status/236104901250387968 |
| 14:25.18 | Torhal | ccox: Good job, once more, on reposts :) |
| 14:25.45 | Kraps | hey let me try |
| 14:25.57 | Torhal | Those few? Being dealt with? |
| 14:26.02 | Torhal | Asshats. |
| 14:26.03 | Amarande | And at the end of the day, the Ten Ton Hammer is worth even less than [The Stoppable Force] :P |
| 14:26.10 | Kraps | i once killed a baby and ate it :) |
| 14:26.25 | Kraps | see |
| 14:26.44 | Kraps | instead of rage-inducing its calming |
| 14:27.02 | g0urra | https://twitter.com/#!/search/realtime/worldofaddons |
| 14:27.44 | p3lim | I don't see the site itself beeing good even, their code is horrible, and it loads slow |
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| 14:27.53 | p3lim | Not to mention: null null null null |
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| 14:28.19 | Acenth | All hail null! |
| 14:28.26 | p3lim | Also: http://worldofaddons.com/authors |
| 14:28.31 | g0urra | oo, ubisoft is going to make an Anno MMO, neat |
| 14:28.31 | Kraps | the null cross is to ward off angry authors |
| 14:28.46 | p3lim | They added a "note" |
| 14:29.06 | g0urra | yeah as if that's valid |
| 14:30.36 | AcidWeb | "This is unfortunately necessary due to a large volume of shills (presumably from competitors) attempting to claim and takedown addons that aren't theirs. " |
| 14:30.39 | AcidWeb | ... |
| 14:30.56 | AcidWeb | Crew of that page have... issues. |
| 14:31.00 | Amarande | Sooo ... ICC10 today on the guild schedule. Wonder if we'll get enough people to show up this time. |
| 14:31.09 | Amarande | Couple weeks ago we tried to do BT but we didn't get enough people :( |
| 14:32.14 | Stanzilla | you need 3 people for bt |
| 14:32.18 | Stanzilla | how can you not have 3 people |
| 14:32.42 | g0urra | why 3 |
| 14:32.51 | Stanzilla | because of RoS and kick rotation |
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| 14:39.55 | Vladinator | I see a smiley face on each message they tweet :3 |
| 14:39.57 | Vladinator | ":)" |
| 14:40.09 | p3lim | Must be a retarded 12 yo |
| 14:40.16 | Ressy | Oh.. Danellos in that list p2lim.. EU MVP :) |
| 14:40.22 | Acenth | They are smiling at all the ad revenue they are making |
| 14:41.23 | g0urra | I wonder if they'll smile as much when this'll bite them in the ass :) |
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| 14:43.15 | Vladinator | we can only see if anything bites them, hehe. |
| 14:45.53 | p3lim | Make sure you run every ad blocking plugin known to man, to avoid them generating revenue from all this |
| 14:46.18 | Kraps | the speed at which the mlp threads on mmoc move is astounding and frightening |
| 14:46.55 | durcyn | and every poster is or should be a registered sex offender |
| 14:47.27 | Kraps | hey lets not go overboard :| |
| 14:47.29 | p3lim | Yeeeeey, they added more null |
| 14:50.03 | Acenth | PRAISE THE NULL GODS |
| 14:50.34 | bluspacecow | we herd you lieked null |
| 14:50.42 | Acenth | ^ |
| 14:50.48 | bluspacecow | so we added more null so you can see null while you're looking at null on our website |
| 14:51.00 | Acenth | Null - Now a feature |
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| 14:51.38 | Ressy | DMCA to Tucows? |
| 14:51.58 | bluspacecow | world of addons announcement : we now have new premimum "NULL" memberships. for those who couldn't get enough Null we adding a montly payment so you can see Null everywhere you see. |
| 14:52.09 | p3lim | xD |
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| 14:52.28 | p3lim | That's probably what premium is; removing the null |
| 14:52.37 | Acenth | I want to name a company Null with the tag line "More than nothing" |
| 14:52.44 | p3lim | Ressy: Most of us have already sent that |
| 14:52.55 | Ressy | to Tucows? |
| 14:53.00 | Ressy | or to them? |
| 14:53.16 | Vladinator | isn't tucows a spyware site? |
| 14:53.24 | Kraps | cant get enough of that sweet null |
| 14:54.16 | p3lim | Ressy: to tentonhammer and a copy to their provider |
| 14:54.22 | g0urra | <p3lim> Make sure you run every ad blocking plugin known to man, to avoid them generating revenue from all this <- who isn't running noscript and adblock? |
| 14:54.32 | bluspacecow | \o |
| 14:54.34 | Humbedooh | <- |
| 14:54.41 | Kraps | me |
| 14:54.49 | g0urra | why would you do that |
| 14:54.59 | p3lim | I run adblock, but I have filtered out sites that I frequently visit |
| 14:55.10 | Humbedooh | I don't mind advertisments |
| 14:55.12 | Ressy | I disable it for various curse sites, wowpedia, and wowinterface.. And thats about it. |
| 14:55.18 | p3lim | It is how they generate revenue |
| 14:55.28 | bluspacecow | adblock i moved to chrome and haven't figured out a new addon or how to white list sites |
| 14:55.32 | Humbedooh | sure, 'cause I visit tentonhammer all the time |
| 14:55.34 | bluspacecow | and its not worth the bother anymore |
| 14:55.41 | bluspacecow | i don't get unstable adds |
| 14:55.44 | g0urra | I use noscript, adblock and VIP |
| 14:55.51 | g0urra | er, RIP* |
| 14:55.59 | bluspacecow | sounds kinky |
| 14:56.15 | g0urra | https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/remove-it-permanently/ |
| 14:56.29 | p3lim | adblock does that too if you want |
| 14:56.32 | Kraps | rip |
| 14:56.39 | Ressy | http://www.copyright.gov/onlinesp/agents/t/tucowi.pdf |
| 14:56.44 | Ressy | Tucows in Canada accepts DMCA |
| 14:56.46 | bluspacecow | awwwwww |
| 14:56.54 | bluspacecow | i thought it was going to be kinky porn |
| 14:56.56 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:56.57 | g0urra | no I'm pretty sure adblock doesn't remove/hide site elements |
| 14:57.08 | Kraps | holy shit why am i reading about people being stupid about the mop trailer |
| 14:57.31 | Humbedooh | oh I don't know...because people are stupid? :> |
| 14:57.37 | Vladinator | g0urra: what? explain :P |
| 14:57.43 | g0urra | >Scanned DEC 02 2010 |
| 14:57.46 | g0urra | Vladinator: explain what? |
| 14:57.57 | Ressy | oh damn. New street in Ottawa: "Stormwind Ave" |
| 14:58.00 | Vladinator | ~quote g0urra site elements |
| 14:58.04 | p3lim | g0urra: It can, but doesnt have any pre-made filters for it. For example, I use it to block many of the annoying features on Facebook |
| 14:58.18 | Vladinator | I failed, anyway, you can block objects with adblock |
| 14:58.40 | Arrowmaster | sounds like the WoA situation blew up while i was asleep |
| 14:58.43 | g0urra | yeah, but that takes too much work than just right-clicking on it |
| 14:58.54 | g0urra | ... |
| 14:58.58 | g0urra | what |
| 14:59.35 | Vladinator | what is purl doing? :P |
| 14:59.46 | p3lim | g0urra: I'm not sure what the Firefox version does, but the one on Chrome/Chromium you can rightclick any element to remove it |
| 15:00.20 | Vladinator | he left hehe, not sure why |
| 15:00.48 | Kraps | somebody set us up the bomb |
| 15:00.52 | p3lim | Meh I have filtered join/part/quit |
| 15:02.14 | Vladinator | having the road outside my window I can be creepy and no one can do anything about :D |
| 15:02.25 | Vladinator | like standing in front my window looking outside with only my boxers on :D |
| 15:03.31 | Kraps | ...good job? |
| 15:05.07 | Vladinator | I don't believe I am the only one being creepy on purpose sometimes :P |
| 15:05.23 | p3lim | What's boxers? |
| 15:05.46 | Vladinator | well my window is high up so you can't see me down there even if naked so the boxers aren't a factor really :P |
| 15:08.00 | Stanzilla | I walk on the street in boxers |
| 15:08.02 | Stanzilla | np |
| 15:09.25 | Torhal | boxes Stanzilla's ears. |
| 15:09.33 | Stanzilla | Torhal: y u so mean? |
| 15:09.34 | jnwhiteh | ~seen g0urra |
| 15:09.43 | purl | g0urra <5045e70a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.69.231.10> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 10m 45s ago, saying: 'what'. |
| 15:09.43 | bluspacecow | @p3lim http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_(dog) |
| 15:09.48 | Torhal | Stanzilla: Monkies. |
| 15:09.52 | Stanzilla | ok |
| 15:09.54 | Stanzilla | Torhal: http://commitlogsfromlastnight.com/ |
| 15:09.58 | bluspacecow | he has small dogs covering his naughty bits while he stands in the window |
| 15:10.05 | p3lim | Stanzilla: He/she crashed or something |
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| 15:10.59 | Torhal | Stanzilla: Hah |
| 15:14.31 | bluspacecow | oh |
| 15:14.35 | bluspacecow | it's like after Tuesday |
| 15:14.42 | bluspacecow | so raids reset ? |
| 15:14.57 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 15:14.57 | Torhal | bluspacecow: Lemme upload Stanzilla so you can claim him. |
| 15:15.02 | Torhal | Whoah. |
| 15:15.05 | Torhal | Acceptance. |
| 15:15.06 | Stanzilla | you fuck |
| 15:15.07 | Stanzilla | :( |
| 15:15.09 | bluspacecow | oh baby |
| 15:15.10 | Torhal | :D |
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| 15:19.43 | Vladinator | http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/wowuidev.html.gz |
| 15:21.13 | Vladinator | I like mckenziemc's message and ncoli_s :P |
| 15:21.18 | Vladinator | nicoli_s* |
| 15:21.44 | jnwhiteh | wow |
| 15:21.49 | jnwhiteh | i've massively been bumped from that list |
| 15:23.40 | nevcairiel | its a 1-day period, rather boring stats |
| 15:26.14 | TC-Work | "Is Unkle_ stupid or just asking too many questions?" I am amused |
| 15:26.42 | Unkle | Color me confused? |
| 15:27.01 | TC-Work | a bunch of your comments ended with '?' |
| 15:27.11 | Unkle | Ah |
| 15:27.31 | Dagmar | starts shaking up rattelcans |
| 15:28.04 | Dagmar | I should be allowed to take a life when a coworker tells me "there's nothing wrong with uppercase hostnames" |
| 15:28.05 | TC-Work | "Cairenn also makes sailors blush, 0.6% of the time." |
| 15:28.21 | Dagmar | "We've been using uppercase for years with no problems" |
| 15:28.23 | TC-Work | i bet it's more than .6 |
| 15:29.22 | Dagmar | DNS RFCs are not printing on every printer in their little department |
| 15:29.38 | Dagmar | I would never have anything to do with something like that |
| 15:29.51 | Dagmar | It would be a savage waste of paper |
| 15:30.04 | Stanzilla | Stanzilla is a very aggressive person. He/She attacked others 1 times. |
| 15:30.08 | Stanzilla | uhhh |
| 15:30.31 | Stanzilla | Amarande wrote the longest lines, averaging 82.2 letters per line. |
| 15:30.36 | Stanzilla | WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT |
| 15:32.16 | Torhal | No shit. |
| 15:32.17 | Torhal | lol |
| 15:33.06 | Torhal | The loudest one was pompy, who yelled 21.1% of the time! |
| 15:33.09 | Torhal | Hah |
| 15:34.31 | nevcairiel | Stanzilla: was over 100 yeasterday |
| 15:34.42 | nevcairiel | -a |
| 15:34.54 | Stanzilla | nevcairiel: how often do you look at those stats? |
| 15:35.04 | nevcairiel | someone linked them here yesterday |
| 15:35.08 | nevcairiel | usually never |
| 15:35.09 | Stanzilla | ah ok |
| 15:35.13 | nevcairiel | i only click links someone posts! |
| 15:35.27 | Arrowmaster | Vladinator is the only one that links them |
| 15:38.20 | Arrowmaster | Cairenn|afk: http://i.imgur.com/GvtBp.jpg |
| 15:39.03 | nevcairiel | who takes an elephant to an aquarium |
| 15:40.08 | Arrowmaster | "The animal handlers at the Oregon Zoo took Chendra around to meet some of the other animals one day before the zoo opened. The sea lions were her favorite!" |
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| 15:42.52 | p3lim | How would they know the sea lions were the elephant's fav? |
| 15:43.01 | p3lim | Did he/she put a star on the glass? |
| 15:43.41 | nevcairiel | presumably an animal also shows a different behaviour when its excited/happy .p |
| 15:43.54 | p3lim | NO WAY! |
| 15:45.09 | bluspacecow | maybe it just wanted to eat the sea lions |
| 15:45.35 | Torhal | ... |
| 15:45.42 | Torhal | feeds bluspacecow to Stanzilla. |
| 15:46.05 | Stanzilla | stop doing shit to meee :( |
| 15:48.19 | Stanzilla | Fisker: Nvidia GeForce 305.68 WHQL |
| 15:49.49 | nevcairiel | the official page disagrees |
| 15:50.08 | nevcairiel | oh its for one card only |
| 15:50.11 | nevcairiel | useless |
| 15:50.42 | Stanzilla | meh, inf hack inc |
| 15:50.55 | Stanzilla | (if people testing it before me say it's better ofc) |
| 15:51.39 | nevcairiel | according to the build info, 305.67 dev drivers are actually from a slightly newer branch |
| 15:53.46 | Stanzilla | nevcairiel: I always read 3dcenter.org forums for more info |
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| 15:56.37 | nevcairiel | current drivers work well for me, i'll just wait for official drivers for my card =p |
| 15:56.43 | p3lim | Which cards? |
| 15:57.24 | Stanzilla | gtx 680 |
| 15:57.41 | p3lim | Meh ok, got 570 |
| 15:58.11 | Stanzilla | also wtb new intel toolbox for win8 |
| 16:02.58 | pompy | "The loudest one was pompy, who yelled 21.1% of the time! |
| 16:02.58 | pompy | Another old yeller was Unkle, who shouted 17.2% of the time!" |
| 16:03.00 | pompy | what? lol |
| 16:03.15 | Stanzilla | old's true in that case |
| 16:03.17 | Stanzilla | *hides* |
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| 16:08.53 | TC-Work | GET OFF MY IRC CHANNEL YOU YOUNG SCRIPT KIDDIES! |
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| 16:11.24 | Unkle | Well, moderately old anyway. |
| 16:12.22 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v nicoli_s] by ChanServ |
| 16:12.58 | TC-Work | it's all relative Unkle, to my 98 year old grandmother, everyone is a youngster |
| 16:13.16 | Kraps | is there new lore about rhonin |
| 16:13.27 | Kraps | hes getting killed? |
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| 16:27.40 | Stanzilla | wtf http://n64js.blogspot.co.uk/ |
| 16:28.49 | g0urra | Kraps: yes |
| 16:29.31 | Kraps | is it related to new the alliance/horde war |
| 16:30.09 | Fisker | hey Stanzilla |
| 16:30.10 | Fisker | http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/542935853873496061/3FEED914C1BF63407AB5ED562C981F2BE1D0EB91/ |
| 16:30.11 | Fisker | mad? |
| 16:31.43 | Stanzilla | Fisker: nope, why? |
| 16:32.11 | Fisker | Stanzilla sauce btw? |
| 16:32.21 | Fisker | aren't they only 660Ti drivers? |
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| 16:38.35 | merlik | hiyo all |
| 16:39.05 | Unkle | TC-Work you speak sooth. |
| 16:46.58 | merlik | So TTH really screwed the pooch huh? |
| 16:47.28 | Torhal | merlik: Verily. |
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| 16:47.52 | Torhal | AddOns which are GPL, BSD, MIT, CC licensed would be fine. But All Rights Reserved? Hell no. |
| 16:47.58 | merlik | What can they do at this point to make it right? Just remove all add ons they don't have specific permission to use? |
| 16:48.02 | merlik | That makes sense |
| 16:48.23 | Torhal | That will make it legally right, but they can't ever make it "right" in the respect that I'd voluntarily host my AddOns with them |
| 16:48.39 | Stanzilla | Fisker: yes they are |
| 16:48.40 | Torhal | They burned that bridge. |
| 16:48.47 | merlik | Well yeah, I mean right by the community |
| 16:48.49 | Lopeppeppy | Or that I'd ever recommend anyone use their site or service. |
| 16:49.03 | Lopeppeppy | There's no "right" to the reputation they gave themselves. |
| 16:49.08 | merlik | I just wish there was something better than curse out there. I had high hopes when I first heard about Spark |
| 16:49.29 | merlik | How is Minion on MMOUI? |
| 16:49.38 | Lopeppeppy | I've never had a problem with Curse or WowInterface. What do you find bad, merlik? |
| 16:49.50 | alestane | Not even wowmatrix, Peppy, don't know if you were here for the reveal of worldofaddons.com |
| 16:50.16 | merlik | Nothing at all with WOWI, I love WOWI, I just want one click updates and I don't like curse other than their add-on management. |
| 16:50.22 | Dagmar | That they've been skullfucking the corpse of fair dealing, but have certainly managed to get plent of ads up on their site says that very clearly, their goal is not to help the community or the users, as they say |
| 16:50.35 | Lopeppeppy | Yup, I was alestane. Shady damn bastard people popping up all over these days, like dandelions in a vacant lot. |
| 16:50.45 | Torhal | WoWMatrix was four years ago and we all still despise them. |
| 16:50.47 | Corrodias | you were alestane? |
| 16:50.50 | Corrodias | like, for halloween? |
| 16:51.02 | Dagmar | The whole "if you don't respond you automatically consent to these terms" is the sort of thing someone should get their face slapped for |
| 16:51.16 | Lopeppeppy | Ah, merlik. I see now. I don't like the clients that do the work for me, so I adore both Curse and WoWInterface. I go get what I want and install it - I'm a fussy computer owner. |
| 16:51.18 | merlik | I agree Dagmar |
| 16:51.37 | Torhal | Dagmar: I told someone yesterday in Skype "Someone, somewhere, and I don't give a fuck if they patent it, needs to invent a "Method for stabbing a person or persons in the face via The Internet."" |
| 16:51.39 | NickG365 | Only a face slap? I think you're letting them off a bit easy there. |
| 16:51.55 | Dagmar | Torhal: Sooo much fucking money to be had in that space |
| 16:51.58 | Torhal | :D |
| 16:52.36 | Torhal | I'm afraid Ackis would use it on a whim, though. |
| 16:52.45 | Dagmar | NickG365: Traditionally that sort of behaviour has been responded to in a ritual involving hot tar and bird feathers, but I'm trying to remain civilized |
| 16:52.58 | Ackis | Torhal: only if the stabbing device were my penis |
| 16:53.17 | Torhal | Ackis: That went without saying. This is YOU we're speaking about, after all. |
| 16:53.19 | Dagmar | Torhal: You say "whim" I say "holy mission" |
| 16:53.23 | Torhal | Dagmar: Haha |
| 16:53.47 | merlik | Lopeppeppy: I can understand that. I used to manually do it myself, I should probably remove half the add ons and just do it manually anyway. I wish WoW could allow code that the add-on could call home and update itself, similar to a Wordpress plugin or something. |
| 16:53.48 | Dagmar | If I could cover my desk with red buttons controlling remote face-stab devices, I would play them like the Phantom for probably fourteen hours a day |
| 16:54.46 | Dagmar | ...but then, I've also been known to, in public, say "That Mr Senator, is nothing but a a fucking lie." |
| 16:54.53 | Lopeppeppy | The sandbox keeps the world neat and orderly, merlik. I'll take that security and just keep my addon folder sleek and manually managed. |
| 16:55.00 | merlik | All politicians are liars lol |
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| 16:55.32 | Dagmar | They should all be very concerned about the merest possibility that I might show up when there are reporters nearby |
| 16:55.32 | alestane | http://www.cad-comic.com/cad/20060821 |
| 16:55.50 | merlik | True, though I also wish Blizzard allowed add ons to be sold. |
| 16:55.51 | Dagmar | The moral: Don't try to pass legislation to make the perfectly reasonable things I do illegal |
| 16:55.58 | Dagmar | No matter how many lobbyist dollars you get |
| 16:56.14 | Dagmar | merlik: How many popup ads do you want in your client |
| 16:56.30 | Unkle | Wow, I didn't even say anything to set him off this morning. |
| 16:56.37 | Dagmar | *glare* |
| 16:56.39 | merlik | None |
| 16:56.56 | Dagmar | merlik: Well, that's where selling addons will wind up going |
| 16:57.21 | Lopeppeppy | So it's good to not have that. |
| 16:57.29 | Unkle | merlik no ads, no fees, who pays for servers and bandwidth, and what's in it for them? I mean, I sure as fuck can't feed my kids with the "thanks of the community." |
| 16:58.05 | Unkle | Just to play devil's advocate. |
| 16:58.08 | Dagmar | Very little SEO douchebaggery, so most of the time you can actually google for information about addons |
| 16:58.21 | alestane | THe other issue is that we really don't want raiding guilds or other organizations demanding or requiring that you lay out another stack of money to stay linked into their essential addons du jour. |
| 16:58.40 | Unkle | Very, true. |
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| 17:00.34 | pompy | http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/409621_10152041080900022_679435547_n.jpg nice |
| 17:02.09 | bluspacecow | there is of course the heretic idea |
| 17:02.18 | bluspacecow | of only updating your addons when they break |
| 17:02.47 | kagaro | ^^ bluspacecow |
| 17:02.48 | bluspacecow | i have the addon sites email me when they update. that particular email folder of mine has over 500 updates in it |
| 17:02.53 | bluspacecow | and my UI still ain't breaking |
| 17:03.24 | bluspacecow | i just know where to go to get updates by searching that folder when addon X decides to act up :P |
| 17:03.59 | Lopeppeppy | That was always my policy, bluspacecow. Only update when something breaks, or a major update is released. |
| 17:04.30 | p3lim | RSS feed to favourite lists |
| 17:04.31 | bluspacecow | having used my email only stratergy i'm better able to predict what gets updated . when and why |
| 17:04.34 | p3lim | Easy and clean |
| 17:04.52 | bluspacecow | SVN server feed ? |
| 17:05.23 | p3lim | On wowi, on your favorites, there is a button on the right |
| 17:05.56 | p3lim | I belive there is something like that on curse too, but I don't use curse personally |
| 17:05.58 | bluspacecow | i like the ones that email the version history. that way I can look through and if it's just locale updates i ignore it |
| 17:06.08 | bluspacecow | there is on curse indeed |
| 17:06.30 | bluspacecow | altough i prefer using the beta site wowace.com or cursefurge.com that exports to Curse |
| 17:06.34 | bluspacecow | *curseforge |
| 17:06.38 | bluspacecow | cursefudge even |
| 17:06.45 | bluspacecow | @#$@#$#@$# FUDGE! |
| 17:06.59 | merlik | I understand the monetary aspect, but for the database and keeping them updated, I think a non-profit needs to form similar to the Wordpress Plugin database. There are a lot of plugin debs out there that post their add ons to it and either get donations or even sell the plugin. |
| 17:07.17 | bluspacecow | interesting |
| 17:07.41 | bluspacecow | too bad we can't do that - addon policy says we can't create premium versions of addons or blizzard will block your addon from loading. |
| 17:07.46 | mikma | curse with forge |
| 17:07.47 | p3lim | Well, curse does have revenue given to each author, based on how many downloads they have on their addons |
| 17:07.49 | merlik | I've donated well over $100 across the add ons that I use, |
| 17:07.53 | mikma | MOTHERBIAAAAAAAAA... |
| 17:07.58 | Lopeppeppy | People do that with their addons through the sites - list them, keep them updated, etc. |
| 17:08.24 | bluspacecow | wowinterface and curse just have better tools tailored for authors. written by well other addon authors |
| 17:08.29 | merlik | Yeah, but too many are exclusively on certain sites and not on others so you can't update them all in one place |
| 17:09.02 | merlik | I hope Minion on WOWI gets more development because I would pay the Zam yearly fee for access to Minion way before Curse |
| 17:09.06 | Lopeppeppy | That's the author's choice - nobody can force a wordpress plugin author to put their stuff in one place over another either. Free world, works the same for both systems. |
| 17:09.13 | Torhal | I never understood why that was such a hassle, to be honest. How many sites does the average person g oto per day just clicking links? When it has to do with updating AddOns, it's suddenly way too much effort. |
| 17:09.16 | bluspacecow | heh |
| 17:09.32 | bluspacecow | y u tiny Coggy |
| 17:09.35 | bluspacecow | u not tiny |
| 17:09.39 | merlik | I'm not saying force anyone to do anything, I am just trying to think of a better way for users like me to keep our add ons up to date and discover new ones |
| 17:09.39 | bluspacecow | u most bear like |
| 17:09.58 | nevcairiel | bluspacecow: its a terrible pun on his new employer :p |
| 17:10.00 | bluspacecow | type in browser name of addon site. go to favourites. done. |
| 17:10.38 | bluspacecow | @nevcairiel lol |
| 17:10.48 | TinyCog | is true |
| 17:10.56 | Lopeppeppy | There are so few reliable large addon sites, it's less trouble to stay current on those than on the various news and blogging sites that are popular. |
| 17:11.04 | ZorbaGama | merlik, I haven't managed to come up with an update system that wouldn't either be a major security issue or require a whole lot of server coding |
| 17:11.05 | bluspacecow | there's always the UI and macros forums as well |
| 17:11.06 | Lopeppeppy | Or heaven forfend, your web comic list! |
| 17:11.13 | bluspacecow | as well as post your UI threads |
| 17:11.19 | p3lim | Torhal: People are lazy covered bastards with lazy filling, they will always want a simpler solution to anything. |
| 17:11.30 | bluspacecow | on live journal the community wow_ladies have a regular monday post your UI thread |
| 17:12.05 | Torhal | p3lim: Yah, I know, but in context it's amazing that this is such a huge issue. |
| 17:13.07 | p3lim | Torhal: If an addon I use has a svn or git repo is dont even visit the sites to update them. I run a script that iterates over them and pulls the latest version. |
| 17:13.11 | merlik | What's wrong with wanting a simpler solution? Isn't that why add ons were created in the first place? To have a simpler solution in game? It helps create progress. The major risk add-on makers take is WoW putting a feature in that makes the add-on redundant. |
| 17:13.27 | bluspacecow | actually |
| 17:13.30 | bluspacecow | that's a compliment |
| 17:13.34 | bluspacecow | less work for them to do |
| 17:13.53 | Torhal | merlik: Nothing is wrong with it, but in the context of website-visiting in general, having to hit two sites for AddOns being a MAJOR hassle is something that baffles me. |
| 17:13.56 | merlik | Yeah, but the dev gets no credit for it usually and no money |
| 17:13.59 | Corrodias | actually, the addons i used were not all to simplify the game |
| 17:14.05 | bluspacecow | and there's nothing wrong you just have to realize you have to do it right |
| 17:14.30 | bluspacecow | what you don't do is piss off the ones that work and create the addons to the point where they would never consider using their site |
| 17:14.36 | Corrodias | the addon developers generally are not making money anyway, merlik |
| 17:14.43 | merlik | defnitely bluspacecow |
| 17:15.01 | merlik | And I wish they were Corrodias |
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| 17:15.12 | bluspacecow | my updates emails all have the URL of where to go. so worrying about wish site they are on is fairly meaningless to me. |
| 17:15.18 | Corrodias | okay, but the reality is that they don't, so it's not particularly important whether WoW implements a redundant feature. |
| 17:15.18 | bluspacecow | *which |
| 17:15.36 | bluspacecow | generally blizzard like to implement a basic iteration of a feature |
| 17:15.53 | bluspacecow | and leave the alternative iterations or improvements on a UI feature to the addon author |
| 17:15.55 | jnwhiteh | "grandma-friendly" |
| 17:15.59 | p3lim | If Blizzard implements all my addons into the game it is just a good thing, that way I don't have to maintain my shit |
| 17:16.19 | p3lim | AddOns provide a way for the user to choose, to customize |
| 17:16.19 | bluspacecow | its a synergistic relationship. |
| 17:17.25 | p3lim | To the point where an addon does everything for you, or ruins gameplay (eg. AVR, GearScore) |
| 17:17.41 | Fisker | avr does nothing for you |
| 17:17.57 | p3lim | It did show you exactly where to stand or go |
| 17:18.21 | nevcairiel | in before "that was avr-e" |
| 17:18.27 | p3lim | -.- |
| 17:18.39 | bluspacecow | yes Blizzard implement *all* of p3lim's addons. so he has moar time for porn. |
| 17:18.46 | p3lim | :D |
| 17:19.20 | nevcairiel | i prefer to keep my own addons, otherwise i stop getting boatloads of curse points |
| 17:19.30 | merlik | Hmm, maybe a news site that connects to other sites like curse where you choose which add-ons you use, it just notifies you of updates and tells you where to go update it, whether it be WOWI, Curse or somewhere else. Then it is just a news aggregation site that could support it self through Ads similar to how Curse does but it makes it more of a one place to check for notifications |
| 17:19.39 | Fisker | so does proximity p3lim |
| 17:19.41 | p3lim | I can't use the cursepoints anyways, fucking Norwegian tax laws |
| 17:20.11 | bluspacecow | how is that different from just using favourites on both sites then clicking a link when you see it being updated in your email ? |
| 17:20.25 | p3lim | Fisker: proximity indicates where you should not be standing, AVR draw a huge circle onto the WorldFrame that looked like it was in the game |
| 17:20.37 | Fisker | yep |
| 17:20.44 | p3lim | drew* |
| 17:20.50 | Fisker | both perform the same function |
| 17:21.01 | merlik | E-mail for me is not a good system, is it possible to get update notifications with RSS? |
| 17:21.06 | Fisker | one is better communicated to the player than the other |
| 17:21.09 | Lopeppeppy | If I see ads, I'd rather see them on the site where the addons reside, then on some intermediary site making money without doing the work of hosting the addons and authoring systems and revision systems. |
| 17:21.12 | bluspacecow | yes that's what someone just said above |
| 17:21.25 | Lopeppeppy | merlik, there's RSS for some of them, sure. |
| 17:21.28 | p3lim | merlik: Yes, I myself use RSS to get notifications about addon updates |
| 17:21.36 | merlik | Oh ok, I didn't know that, time to go set it up :-) |
| 17:21.43 | p3lim | Set up your favorites and click the RSS feed button |
| 17:21.54 | merlik | cool |
| 17:22.08 | p3lim | Probably a feature that should be promoted a bit more.. |
| 17:22.17 | merlik | Yeah definitely |
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| 17:23.24 | Lopeppeppy | Jelly! *le pounce* |
| 17:24.25 | |Jelly| | HEY |
| 17:24.32 | bluspacecow | HAY |
| 17:25.55 | Torhal | p3lim: Norwegian tax laws? You should still be able to use the points for Amazon gift cards, so long as you don't go over $599 USD - that's when Curse has to report the earnings. |
| 17:26.21 | Unkle | Or you know, you could just give them to me. :P |
| 17:26.33 | p3lim | Yeah I cap that Jan 1st of every year :p |
| 17:26.34 | Torhal | Unkle: Are you even signed up? :) |
| 17:26.40 | Torhal | p3lim: I bet :/ |
| 17:26.57 | Unkle | Torhal, not really. I'm lunessa on Curse and WoWStead. |
| 17:27.09 | Arrowmaster | ill take them |
| 17:27.24 | Unkle | But none of my AddOns are on Curse and I haven't updated anything in like ... oh, forever. |
| 17:27.30 | p3lim | The thing is, I checked this with my local tax office, if I want to take more than those 500 or 600 bucks per year, I have to tax 50% of all of it. |
| 17:27.38 | Torhal | Unkle: Slacking and drinking will do that. |
| 17:27.39 | p3lim | And there is no chance in hell that's going to happen |
| 17:27.47 | Unkle | Torhal Verily. |
| 17:27.58 | Torhal | p3lim: So you accrue and limit yourself per year? |
| 17:27.59 | Lopeppeppy | You forgot the wenching. |
| 17:28.05 | p3lim | More or less |
| 17:28.11 | p3lim | Got a new powersupply this year :D |
| 17:28.16 | Torhal | Lopeppeppy: I didn't wanna mention wenching. Get him hyped up and all... |
| 17:28.19 | Torhal | p3lim: Hehe |
| 17:28.24 | Unkle | Lopeppeppy - the wenching is important, but has slacked off a lot lately. |
| 17:28.38 | Arrowmaster | ill take those points off your hands, my tax rate on them is barely anything |
| 17:28.49 | p3lim | What I also try to do is make deals with fellow authors and trade point for TCG loot |
| 17:28.52 | Torhal | 25% or so |
| 17:28.54 | merlik | p3lim: once you have a significant amount, might almost be worth spending $300-$500 to create a US LLC or something to get the money and have it buy things and send you them to "review" them or something |
| 17:29.13 | p3lim | merlik: Also have import taxes :p |
| 17:29.18 | merlik | arggg |
| 17:29.24 | Lopeppeppy | I need to go wenching too. I've slacked off my booty watching lately. |
| 17:29.43 | Torhal | merlik: BTW: WoA was launched two days ago. Almost immediately, we started sending e-mails. |
| 17:29.49 | Torhal | No action. |
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| 17:30.11 | merlik | Ah ok, I wonder what the timeframe allowed for DMCA notice is. I know some piracy sites take up to 5 days |
| 17:30.14 | nevcairiel | i got a response today saying that my stuff will be removed, not happened yet though |
| 17:30.40 | Arrowmaster | merlik: 10 days i think |
| 17:30.41 | Lopeppeppy | 5 working days is not unreasonable, in Peppy's eyes. But 24 hours would be spiffy too. |
| 17:30.49 | Torhal | Well, DMCA or no (I haven't threatened one yet but I will) if they wanted our goodwill and mitigate the backlash, they would have SCRAMBLED to take them down |
| 17:31.09 | Torhal | So far they're just blowing smoke up our asses. |
| 17:31.24 | Arrowmaster | imho 24 hours is unreasonable when the admins of the site are directly involved and highly aware of the issue |
| 17:31.29 | Torhal | Yup. |
| 17:31.31 | merlik | I think they need to have a system in place that happens a lot faster, but I set up websites for a living, and seeing how they build sites on Drupal…. when they launch a site it is well before it should be launched…. |
| 17:32.22 | pompy | http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/2892-All-Races-Available-in-Patch-5-0-4-All-Races-Available-in-Patch-5-0-4 |
| 17:32.53 | jnwhiteh | badass |
| 17:32.58 | jnwhiteh | was wondering when that'd happen. |
| 17:33.38 | Torhal | Wait...what? |
| 17:33.52 | Torhal | How the hell will they put Pandarens in for folks without MoP? |
| 17:33.59 | Torhal | Well, any of them really |
| 17:34.14 | bluspacecow | prepatch download would have that data i imagine |
| 17:34.18 | pompy | ":With the release of patch 5.0.4, we’re making all the races of Azeroth playable by anyone, no matter which version or expansion of World of Warcraft they own." |
| 17:34.25 | nevcairiel | they need all the data anyway |
| 17:34.29 | Unkle | 5.0.4 will have to include all the art assest. |
| 17:34.33 | bluspacecow | "the enigmatic pandaren, who will become available for play when Mists of Pandaria is released on Tuesday, September 25" |
| 17:34.34 | Torhal | pompy: No shit. What I'm saying is, without the expansion(s) where will they START? |
| 17:34.34 | nevcairiel | the only thing they get extra is the wandering isle zone |
| 17:34.45 | nevcairiel | which is not all that special |
| 17:34.47 | merlik | If they were to do it right here is how I imagine TTH should have done it. Set up the framework to host the add ons like they did, contact the people they want on there and make a public announcement offering the add on devs the exposure of being on their network plus the add-on is hosted for free sometimes saving the dev money, plus a donation link to paypal or whatever that is provided by the dev so the only way TTH gets money is thro |
| 17:34.47 | merlik | ads and premium memberships, but only host the add ons that they are allowed to |
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| 17:35.04 | bluspacecow | ... |
| 17:35.21 | bluspacecow | which is almost exact what curse and wowinterface do already isn't it |
| 17:35.31 | Lopeppeppy | Yup. |
| 17:35.37 | merlik | yes but if TTH really wanted to get into it, that is what they should have done |
| 17:35.41 | merlik | now they ruined their chances |
| 17:35.50 | Torhal | merlik: They did contact a _few_ authors. Either they were ignored because it was an obvious boilerplate message, or they were told no. Either way, All Rights Reserved stuff appeared on their sites, which was scraped from the "competitor" sites. |
| 17:35.58 | Arrowmaster | merlik: right that would have been the proper way to try to launch the site, but from their attempts at contacting authors before the launch almost nobody wanted to host on their site so they pulled this shit |
| 17:36.20 | Torhal | And they're basically saying "Fuck you. We're hosting it" |
| 17:36.37 | bluspacecow | at least they're marginally better then wow matrix |
| 17:36.44 | Arrowmaster | we will see |
| 17:36.45 | bluspacecow | wow matrix made 3 posts in their intro times |
| 17:36.51 | Torhal | We don't know that yet. |
| 17:36.54 | Arrowmaster | they still havent removed anything yet |
| 17:36.59 | bluspacecow | then proceeded to ignore all other author communication |
| 17:37.01 | merlik | lol they should have just launched it with the GPL and freely licensed ones and then kept trying to court existing devs or support new devs with the creation of new addons |
| 17:37.05 | nevcairiel | wow matrix stole bandwidth from curse and wowi, that was worse, no matter what |
| 17:37.05 | bluspacecow | at least they're talking to us |
| 17:37.16 | Torhal | The only way they're "better" so far is they don't seem to be modifying AddOns to cover up bugs and/or remove copyright notices. |
| 17:37.36 | Torhal | nevcairiel: So did WoA, but only once. They may start the active scraping. |
| 17:37.59 | Torhal | Hell, they give the ability to upload "your" AddOn from another site. |
| 17:38.04 | bluspacecow | wowmatrix scraped every addon page _three_ times to get download links |
| 17:38.05 | Torhal | Urk. |
| 17:38.18 | bluspacecow | silly people writing it in Hypertalk :P |
| 17:39.23 | merlik | It seems like WOWI is the only one that really tries to get people to develop add ons. we need more developers out there |
| 17:39.37 | Torhal | merlik: o.O |
| 17:39.38 | Arrowmaster | curse does |
| 17:39.41 | bluspacecow | O_o |
| 17:39.42 | Torhal | Aye. |
| 17:39.46 | Torhal | CurseForge. |
| 17:39.47 | merlik | oh cool, i have never seen that |
| 17:39.50 | Torhal | WoWAce |
| 17:39.50 | bluspacecow | silly curse employee |
| 17:40.00 | bluspacecow | *fruffs torhal's hair* |
| 17:40.17 | Torhal | makes bluspacecow green just like his text on the WoW forums. |
| 17:40.24 | bluspacecow | :| |
| 17:40.31 | bluspacecow | i should go level my sham mans |
| 17:40.44 | Lopeppeppy | That's okay, I'm green too. I guess. |
| 17:40.52 | merlik | where on curse.com do they promote curseforge? |
| 17:41.07 | bluspacecow | its their beta site |
| 17:41.20 | nevcairiel | curse.com is the site for the dumb users |
| 17:41.21 | merlik | i just never saw it as a user, what i mean is users should see promotion of becoming a developer |
| 17:41.22 | bluspacecow | any addon page has a link to their beta page on wowace or curseforge |
| 17:41.26 | merlik | I'm a dumb user then |
| 17:41.38 | merlik | but 95% of the WoW players are dumb users like me |
| 17:41.40 | bluspacecow | once an author marks it as release it gets exported to curse |
| 17:41.57 | Unkle | 95%? More like 99.95% |
| 17:42.10 | Lopeppeppy | Pessimist |
| 17:42.18 | Unkle | Realist |
| 17:42.24 | merlik | How is a "dumb" user supposed to get educated then? |
| 17:42.41 | bluspacecow | by asking |
| 17:42.58 | merlik | well I did, but the 99.95% don't know to ask |
| 17:43.17 | Unkle | Same way anyone else does. Reading. Asking questions. Being actually willing to learn instead of just throwing in the towel and using the phrase "help me" to mean "do it for me." |
| 17:44.02 | merlik | I love it when people say "help me" and mean "do it for me" but that is in my business lol, I charge for it :-P |
| 17:44.39 | Unkle | Go read the UI & Macros forum - there's a lot of "help me" which means "fuck you, just do this shit for me, nerd." |
| 17:45.07 | nevcairiel | merlik: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/3d12727bc6a4bb2a18ba7a77ffdbe19c.png .. that button on curse takes you to curseforge, not sure how much more you want :d |
| 17:45.22 | nevcairiel | (red border added for emphasis) |
| 17:46.57 | merlik | Ok cool, but that completely negates any chance of a normal user who is somewhat curious about becoming an add-on developer from ever clicking on it. Because what would go through their head is they already have to be a developer to click that |
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| 17:47.55 | merlik | There could be two buttons. That one, and another one, Want to make your own Addon? Click here! |
| 17:48.10 | nevcairiel | I would click it to check out how it works if i'm playing with the idea |
| 17:48.24 | merlik | You are smarter than most people |
| 17:48.35 | nevcairiel | in any case, curseforge is a page to upload your addons, its not exactly a page to go to learn to write addons |
| 17:48.49 | Lopeppeppy | ~wowprogramming |
| 17:48.49 | purl | i guess wowprogramming is World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons - http://is.gd/7A3Jx - a book written by Cladhaire (jnwhiteh) and Gazmik, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 17:49.12 | merlik | There is an amazing book called Don't Make Me Think, and I try to build all my sites following those principals |
| 17:49.32 | Ressy | Good book. Definite thumbs up. I bought the wow lua book yrs back - right before 2.4 |
| 17:50.16 | merlik | That resources for new authors is awesome, just wish more people would click the link. I didn't because I thought it would just take me to an upload page |
| 17:50.58 | AcidWeb | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showpost.php?p=259722&postcount=40 |
| 17:50.59 | AcidWeb | heh |
| 17:51.20 | Lopeppeppy | New author resources are not necessarily going to be found on a hosting site - sites can't be encyclopedias, they do have a purpose to hold to their structure choices. |
| 17:51.54 | nevcairiel | all the "Resources for new Authors" site on curseforge has is links to the PiL, WoW Programming and WoWPedia |
| 17:52.31 | Unkle | WoWPedia has a pretty good set of things for getting started. |
| 17:53.15 | nevcairiel | i just recommend the book to everyone, its just a great resource, sadly some people are not dedicated enough to pay even the smallest fee for it :p |
| 17:53.24 | merlik | Links to other sites is all it needs |
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| 18:03.08 | TC-Work | SLI 660 Ti vs 680, anyone know the relative disparity? |
| 18:04.19 | Lopeppeppy | Do you realize that I'm resisting making a smart ass remark here? |
| 18:04.44 | nilyaK | I think it's just a Ti-ny bit... |
| 18:04.46 | TC-Work | I'd say go for it |
| 18:04.55 | TMc51 | 660 SLI probably 10-20% more performance on 680 in games that properly support SLI. Rough estimate based on previous cards, though. |
| 18:05.49 | kd3 | holy crap, an AMA for the curiosity team |
| 18:07.21 | kd3 | http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/ybmmh/we_are_engineers_and_scientists_on_the_mars/ |
| 18:09.03 | Lopeppeppy | And I was going to say "about 20 points difference", so 20% performance difference is spot on. :P |
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| 18:19.24 | Fisker | no kd3 |
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| 18:44.51 | Shadowed | oh hey |
| 18:44.54 | Shadowed | they actually responded to me |
| 18:45.01 | Shadowed | it only took them 24 hours |
| 18:45.08 | Lopeppeppy | is a shameless barefoot hussy! |
| 18:47.21 | alestane | tickles Peppy's bare feet. |
| 18:47.31 | alestane | Shame is overrated. |
| 18:48.03 | Shadowed | they sent a long bullshit email |
| 18:48.05 | bluspacecow | :| |
| 18:48.06 | Unkle | Personally, I prefer women who don't feel shame. |
| 18:48.07 | Shadowed | that basically is them being dumb |
| 18:48.12 | bluspacecow | new beta build comes up |
| 18:48.22 | Fisker | thief bitching over thieves |
| 18:48.23 | Fisker | awesome |
| 18:48.24 | Lopeppeppy | Hey, dumbhead, who you calling dumb! |
| 18:48.44 | bluspacecow | and i had forgotten to rewrite my patch build downloader for the new patch base |
| 18:48.46 | Lopeppeppy | Social/peer pressure leads to shame, and the partner is half that equation. *poke* |
| 18:48.58 | bluspacecow | 15890.direct not 15827.direct |
| 18:49.06 | Lopeppeppy | Oh. Wait. You weren't even playing with me, I'm sorry. *hug* |
| 18:49.18 | Shadowed | https://gist.github.com/9e663036fa85d2693a20 their response |
| 18:50.27 | Fisker | did you have permission to copy their response? |
| 18:50.50 | Shadowed | I sent them another email to thisisvalid@tentonhammer.com telling them I assumed I had permission if they didn't respond within 10 seconds |
| 18:50.51 | Dagmar | Holy crap flowerboxes and wall plaques |
| 18:50.53 | Shadowed | so legally I'm in the clear |
| 18:51.09 | bluspacecow | "This code must be placed in an area on the selected addon page that is not accessible to the general public, such as the comments section" |
| 18:51.11 | bluspacecow | da fuq |
| 18:51.25 | Fisker | how is that da fuq bluspacecow ? |
| 18:51.32 | Dagmar | Shadowed: You need more entertaining bait, like fapping to pictures of their mother |
| 18:51.34 | Fisker | it means "Put it in a place where only the author could've put it" |
| 18:51.39 | bluspacecow | how is a comments section not accesiible to the general public ? |
| 18:51.51 | bluspacecow | then why don't they say that? |
| 18:51.53 | bluspacecow | speak plain english |
| 18:52.21 | nevcairiel | they do say that |
| 18:52.40 | Dagmar | It's all about the "let's make it as complex and annoying as possible to exit the system" |
| 18:52.42 | bluspacecow | sorry couldn't see it |
| 18:52.56 | nevcairiel | i understood the meaning, the comments thing was just to explain where not to put it |
| 18:53.12 | nevcairiel | you NZians speak another flavor of english i bet! |
| 18:53.13 | Lopeppeppy | Their response should be "sorry, we'll take it down" not "oh yeah, MAKE ME!" |
| 18:53.29 | nevcairiel | It does make some sense to try to validate such a claim |
| 18:53.34 | Dagmar | Fuck that |
| 18:53.36 | Dagmar | DMCA them |
| 18:53.56 | Lopeppeppy | F that. They didn't validate their damn claim to the right to post it. |
| 18:54.05 | nevcairiel | DMCA also leaves you 10 days to respond :p |
| 18:54.12 | Dagmar | nevcairiel: Amazing how *now* they want to carefully validate everything, when before it was just spewing off some random emails that may or may not have arrived at a valid mailbox |
| 18:54.20 | Lopeppeppy | Drive out there and kneecap the bastards. |
| 18:54.31 | Dagmar | I'm with Lope |
| 18:54.41 | Fisker | obviously Dagmar |
| 18:54.43 | Lopeppeppy | then write your valid email on their cast with a hot pink sharpie marker. |
| 18:54.56 | Fisker | when they were sending out emails that may or may not have arrived there were no shills telling them to fuck off |
| 18:55.02 | Dagmar | I might still have my woodburning kit around here someplace. |
| 18:55.06 | Lopeppeppy | Write that one down on the calendar, Unkle - Dagmar and I agree! :) |
| 18:55.07 | bluspacecow | i'll send seerah the gnome out |
| 18:55.07 | Dagmar | No need to use a cast. |
| 18:55.17 | bluspacecow | her head is groin level :> |
| 18:55.26 | Lopeppeppy | bluspacecow, I'm a gnome too, watch out! |
| 18:55.43 | Fisker | btw Stanzilla |
| 18:55.44 | Fisker | http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/542935853873496061/3FEED914C1BF63407AB5ED562C981F2BE1D0EB91/ |
| 18:55.45 | Fisker | ujelly? |
| 18:55.56 | bluspacecow | oh so kelly |
| 18:56.00 | bluspacecow | its over 9000! |
| 18:56.05 | nevcairiel | barely |
| 18:56.31 | Dagmar | For the whole round? |
| 18:56.35 | Dagmar | o.O |
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| 18:57.03 | Dagmar | I'm sure the water is very cold, indeed |
| 18:57.41 | Unkle | Shadowed - that email from TTH is pretty ballsy |
| 18:58.39 | Corrodias | just make sure you don't send the dmca notice to the site. they're the ones responsible for putting the content up. you send it to their web host. |
| 18:58.51 | Corrodias | i think that's how it works, anyway. |
| 18:59.06 | Corrodias | those always wind up going to the people hosting or linking to the content. |
| 18:59.07 | bluspacecow | man if these were movie or music files they would be removed _immediately_ with none of this fart assing around |
| 18:59.28 | Shadowed | Because they know you aren't going to sue them |
| 18:59.30 | TMc51 | I guess it just shows how scummy TTH actually is. |
| 18:59.32 | Dagmar | They'd still have ten days, BUT... teh advantage is you are not just "saying" it's yours |
| 18:59.58 | Dagmar | If you invoke the DMCA you are actually risking perjury charges |
| 18:59.59 | Lopeppeppy | Just saying - gnomish rogues to go all batshit on their knees. |
| 19:00.01 | nilyaK | http://techcrunch.com/2012/08/12/google-plus-the-oatmeal/ |
| 19:00.04 | nilyaK | lol |
| 19:00.21 | Stanzilla | Fisker: you already showed that to me |
| 19:00.30 | Dagmar | They're not obligated to verify anything at that point |
| 19:00.37 | Fisker | oh ok Stanzilla |
| 19:00.37 | bluspacecow | or on their crocth. with powerful gnome teeth. |
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| 19:01.01 | Dagmar | If you're the copyright holder, they don't have any choice, nor can they really putz around and not do it |
| 19:01.20 | Fisker | if it's a DMCA request they have to take the shit down |
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| 19:01.37 | Dagmar | They sure as hell willfully put that content up there knowing they were violating copyright |
| 19:01.47 | Corrodias | "have to" is... only partially true |
| 19:01.55 | Corrodias | you still have to take them to court |
| 19:02.03 | Fisker | sure |
| 19:02.16 | Dagmar | if you want to throw them in jail or something, sure |
| 19:02.43 | Corrodias | well, if you don't back up your threats, their web host doesn't actually have to do shit |
| 19:03.39 | Dagmar | It's not all that often you'll find a provider unwilling to lean on a lazy customer to avoid potential suits |
| 19:04.55 | Corrodias | you're right. i think it'll work. i just mean that if they -are- unwilling, you either have to live with it or get the lawyers involved. |
| 19:05.08 | Dagmar | "I swear, under penalty of perjury, that the information in the notification is accurate and that I am the copyright owner or am authorized to act on behalf of the owner of an exclusive right that is allegedly infringed." |
| 19:05.13 | kd3 | cripes, another 330MB patch? |
| 19:05.33 | bluspacecow | @kd3 yarr! |
| 19:06.02 | Dagmar | Corrodias: That's when you track down a real ambulance chaser and say "You can keep half" |
| 19:06.48 | Dagmar | Unless you can really dox them good, small claims court won't really help much |
| 19:07.21 | Dagmar | Win a settlement there and you can file for the delinquent payment obligation assigned by the judge to the Big Three |
| 19:07.48 | Dagmar | ...or be a real dick and turn it over to a collections agency |
| 19:08.04 | Torhal | Shadowed: Who responded, so I know who to e-mail and stress how idiotic they are? |
| 19:08.08 | Dagmar | It's jus a matter of how douchy you want to get |
| 19:08.12 | Shadowed | Torhal: the menmon or whatever email |
| 19:08.19 | Torhal | kk |
| 19:08.25 | Shadowed | Jason Bechdel <memnock@tentonhammer.com> |
| 19:12.53 | Vladinator | we still talking about the tentonhammer thing? |
| 19:13.02 | Dagmar | One day, the elder gods will return, and kill everyone who can't spell their names right. |
| 19:14.06 | Arrowmaster | Shadowed: did you end up going through that 'put this code on your addon page' bullshit? |
| 19:14.10 | Unkle | One day, the elder gods will return, and kill everyone. You think they give two shits about any of us? |
| 19:14.13 | Shadowed | no I emailed them from my actual one |
| 19:14.17 | Shadowed | and told them to fuck off and remove my stuff |
| 19:14.20 | Shadowed | but slightly more polite |
| 19:14.22 | Arrowmaster | good |
| 19:14.53 | Arrowmaster | i would have told them NO YOU REMOVE IT FUCKING NOW! YOU NEVER GOT PERMISSION TO HOST IT SO IM NOT JUMPING THROUGH HOOPS TO GET YOU TO REMOVE IT |
| 19:15.06 | Arrowmaster | then talked to Kaelten since he said he was getting curse lawyers involved |
| 19:15.26 | Dagmar | Unkle: Oh I'm sure they'll find reasons to put some people ahead of others |
| 19:15.35 | Fisker | do it Arrowmaster |
| 19:15.51 | Fisker | will remove my premium when it runs out in 2013 or 2014 |
| 19:15.53 | Shadowed | I have access to my shadowed.wow email still, I just don't use it, so it's easy to send them the email from that |
| 19:15.53 | Fisker | renew* |
| 19:16.02 | mruser | not to barge in here, but they do not have a DMCA registered agent, so they do not qualify for any DMCA protections on their end. |
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| 19:16.49 | Arrowmaster | Kaelten: <mruser> not to barge in here, but they do not have a DMCA registered agent, so they do not qualify for any DMCA protections on their end. |
| 19:17.08 | Arrowmaster | although they are in canada and not the US |
| 19:17.22 | Arrowmaster | but still they are saying 'under the DMCA we have 10 days to remove the content' |
| 19:17.50 | Shadowed | mmm |
| 19:17.52 | Shadowed | that's true |
| 19:18.00 | Shadowed | mruser where do you see they have no DMCA registered agent |
| 19:18.11 | Fisker | mmm spaghetti |
| 19:18.12 | Torhal | http://o7.no/QGlLga <-- my response to the fuckwits. |
| 19:18.20 | Lopeppeppy | Flying spaghetti monster rules the world. |
| 19:18.49 | mruser | Shadowed: searched for Master Games International / Ten Ton Hammer on the DMCA agent lookup |
| 19:19.05 | mruser | also... how are they canadian? http://goo.gl/Sw2au |
| 19:19.08 | Shadowed | Could it be under another name? |
| 19:19.15 | mruser | Highly doubtful |
| 19:19.24 | mruser | And probably invalid |
| 19:20.50 | mruser | burden of proof would be on their end anyway |
| 19:21.09 | Shadowed | Follow up email it is |
| 19:21.57 | Shadowed | Where is the info that they don't qualify for the DMCA protection stuff mruser |
| 19:21.58 | mruser | In this kind of case, you write the ISP/provider and be like, hey, they have no DMCA agent, which means that I need to report this to _your_ DMCA agent |
| 19:22.00 | Fisker | man Torhal |
| 19:22.04 | Fisker | what a shill from their competitors |
| 19:22.17 | Shadowed | mmm |
| 19:22.20 | Torhal | Fisker: EAD & DIAF? |
| 19:22.23 | mruser | Shadowed: FCR something something, I'll look |
| 19:22.26 | Shadowed | I wonder who their ISP is |
| 19:22.30 | Fisker | eat a what Torhal _ |
| 19:22.31 | Shadowed | did anyone ever figure it out |
| 19:22.31 | Fisker | ? |
| 19:22.37 | Torhal | Fisker: Donkeysaurus. |
| 19:22.57 | Fisker | OrgAbuseHandle: HOSTM482-ARIN |
| 19:22.58 | Fisker | OrgAbuseName: Hostmaster |
| 19:22.58 | Fisker | OrgAbusePhone: +1-416-361-0300 |
| 19:22.58 | Fisker | OrgAbuseEmail: mailto:hostmaster@convoke.com |
| 19:22.58 | Fisker | OrgAbuseRef: http://whois.arin.net/rest/poc/HOSTM482-ARIN |
| 19:24.35 | Fisker | does their site look fucked to you as well? :D |
| 19:24.40 | Stanzilla | null |
| 19:24.43 | Fisker | there's just a lot of "null" plastered over the site |
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| 19:25.35 | Blazeflack | at convoke.com? I see it fine |
| 19:25.40 | Fisker | nah |
| 19:25.45 | Fisker | www.worldofaddons.com |
| 19:25.52 | Blazeflack | Oh.. I see that fine aswell :p |
| 19:26.00 | Fisker | hmm |
| 19:26.51 | Stanzilla | internet exploder? |
| 19:26.56 | mruser | oh does the DMCA even apply here anyway? not user uploaded material |
| 19:27.02 | mruser | or are they claiming it is? |
| 19:27.24 | Fisker | the fact it's not user uploaded makes it even worse? :P |
| 19:27.49 | Torhal | mruser: I'd say user-uploaded or not, them scraping sites for All Rights Reserved works is a violation. |
| 19:28.37 | mruser | what I'm saying is that it's just plain copyright infringement of original works without permissions |
| 19:28.44 | Blazeflack | I'm not too worried about worldofaddons.. they said they would remove stuff when requested, although it may take a little while since they want to verify ownership and shit.. alladdon.com seems worse, no contact info on the site |
| 19:28.45 | mruser | or any protections at all |
| 19:29.23 | bluspacecow | :| |
| 19:29.24 | bluspacecow | http://www.tentonhammer.com/playerscore/news/spark-welcome?page=1 |
| 19:29.37 | bluspacecow | "Why? Well the faster our new site goes down, the faster those sites can return to making 100% of the money because of the monopolistic nature of their service. " |
| 19:29.42 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:29.52 | nicoli_s | wow did they really just delete all of those posts |
| 19:29.58 | Ressy | mruser: They registered with Tucows, which has a DMCA registered agent. |
| 19:30.08 | bluspacecow | yep |
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| 19:30.18 | Torhal | Blazeflack: They shouldn't need to verify ownership for things they have no right to host to begin with. All Rights Reserved includes the right to distribute, which they have not been given. |
| 19:30.53 | AcidWeb | We just should add functions that will broke playerscore to all of our addons. |
| 19:31.04 | Sintacks | % |
| 19:31.05 | Sintacks | ^ |
| 19:31.07 | Blazeflack | Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending them in any way.. I totally agree with you |
| 19:31.16 | Mr_Rabies | blizzard wouldn't take too kindly on that, but man would it be hilarious |
| 19:31.26 | AcidWeb | yep |
| 19:33.01 | Blazeflack | I just wanted to voice my concern over alladdon.com which seems worse to me, since the person(s) behind that site does the same thing as worldofaddons, but in a more discrete way. The only way to get addons removed from alladdon.com seems to be by filing DMCA claim to their host, if their host can be traced |
| 19:33.11 | Ressy | Doesn't DMCA say you have to take down without any questions tho, and if they wanted to, they could file a counter claim? |
| 19:33.30 | Fisker | yes |
| 19:33.30 | mruser | no, that's just what youtube implements |
| 19:33.34 | TMc51 | As I understand it, yeah. |
| 19:33.50 | Fisker | if you don't take it down immediately you're liable mruser |
| 19:34.02 | Ressy | So, in otherwords, they're not following DMCA, by making authors jump through hoops? |
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| 19:34.13 | Blazeflack | Within 10 days if I understood it correctly |
| 19:34.28 | Fisker | it needs to be an actual dmca takedown Ressy |
| 19:34.32 | Ressy | wtf. Why is my home computer on. o.O |
| 19:34.33 | Blazeflack | No, that's only if you file a DMCA claim |
| 19:35.14 | bluspacecow | @ressy so nathan can play barneyt |
| 19:35.19 | Ressy | >.< |
| 19:35.33 | bluspacecow | :D |
| 19:35.34 | Sintacks | I like this tweet: "@worldofaddons You're hosting my projects without my permission. Please remove OneBag, OneBank, and anything containing Ace3 immediately" |
| 19:35.35 | Arrowmaster | the DMCA does not however cover agents of the company knowingly uploading content without permission |
| 19:35.37 | Sintacks | the last part: that's a lot of addons |
| 19:35.56 | mruser | Arrowmaster++ |
| 19:36.09 | Arrowmaster | one of the file host sites got busted for that |
| 19:36.15 | Corrodias | that's why i keep saying you're filing the claim with their web host, not with the site admin |
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| 19:36.46 | g0urra | I like how they say "we have 10 days to remove the addon(s) before the DMCA is in action" |
| 19:36.58 | Arrowmaster | but again, the sites hosted in canada so the dmca doesnt fully apply |
| 19:37.13 | Arrowmaster | where is TTH incorperated at? |
| 19:37.13 | Corrodias | nice |
| 19:37.15 | Ressy | No, but many Cdn hosts do follow |
| 19:37.21 | Ressy | err, comply with DMCA notices |
| 19:37.36 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: Game Masters International is incorporated in Texas. |
| 19:37.45 | Ressy | if you file a DMCA with Tucows (register/host), they have a DMCA Registered agent, so they have to comply with DMCA |
| 19:37.48 | g0urra | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOR38552MJA |
| 19:37.51 | Arrowmaster | then yes the DMCA 100% applies to them |
| 19:38.12 | Arrowmaster | they are a US corperation |
| 19:38.50 | Corrodias | but the takedown notice procedure does not |
| 19:38.59 | Corrodias | you can still sue them, though |
| 19:39.31 | Ressy | The servers are in Canada. Said servers are owned by Tucows, who has a registered DMCA agent. DMCA takedown notice does apply. |
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| 19:39.45 | Unkle | If they have no agent, they can't claim DMCA protections either. |
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| 19:39.48 | Corrodias | good |
| 19:40.58 | Arrowmaster | Unkle: more to the point that i already said though, TTH employees uploaded the copyright content no part of the DMCA is going to cover them so they need to remove it RIGHT FUCKING NOW |
| 19:41.37 | Arrowmaster | no verifiying the person requesting it is the author, no 'we have 10 days to comply under DMCA' |
| 19:42.25 | AcidWeb | The fact that they now suddenly began to follow the procedures is another slap in the face for us |
| 19:42.29 | Sintacks | someone find a lawyer friend and have them contact them to make sure the dumbasses know how much shit they are in |
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| 19:44.25 | Corrodias | i understand that, Arrowmaster |
| 19:44.53 | Corrodias | indeed, you can just avoid the whole dmca takedown notice procedure in ANY copyright infringement case, and sue the user directly. |
| 19:45.18 | Corrodias | still requires going to your lawyer |
| 19:45.22 | bluspacecow | which addon author has the money for that ? |
| 19:45.47 | Ressy | points to Kaelten |
| 19:45.49 | Sintacks | that's why i said an laywer friend |
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| 19:45.58 | Corrodias | or you can send a dmca takedown notice to the site's host, who will probably remove the files, and might shut down the site for causing trouble if it keeps happening. |
| 19:46.02 | Sintacks | that will do it for free, because they play wow and support addon authors |
| 19:46.05 | Corrodias | if they don't, you can sue them. |
| 19:46.06 | cbreak | laywers have friends? Like normal human beings? |
| 19:46.16 | mckenziemc | :O |
| 19:46.30 | TMc51 | Sintacks: But you need to pay friends in beer. What if we don't have beer, nor the money for said beer? |
| 19:46.37 | Sintacks | Pay in sex |
| 19:47.07 | TMc51 | Lawyers have no souls. Do they even partake in sex? |
| 19:47.26 | Sintacks | you don't need a soul for sex |
| 19:47.31 | Sintacks | or the gingers wouldn't reproduce |
| 19:47.34 | Lopeppeppy | No sex! *cries* |
| 19:47.37 | Humbedooh | no, they just claim 1/3 of everybody elses orgasms |
| 19:47.41 | Lopeppeppy | Gingers like sex. I promise. |
| 19:47.43 | TMc51 | Gingers reproduce by stealing souls. No sex involved. |
| 19:47.59 | Lopeppeppy | We just do the sex for the funs. |
| 19:48.36 | mckenziemc | hey peppy |
| 19:48.36 | Cairenn|afk | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:48.52 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, mckenziemc. |
| 19:49.03 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Cairenn. Nice line to wake up to, huh? |
| 19:49.23 | Cairenn|afk | heh, indeed |
| 19:49.48 | Cairenn|afk | although I've actually been here for a while now, just not able to pay much attention to the channels atm |
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| 19:51.51 | alestane | I still don't get this enduring notion about redheads lacking their own souls (yes, I know the term 'ginger' is more specific than just 'redhead.') |
| 19:51.58 | Arrowmaster | wowi forums have a censor? |
| 19:52.31 | AcidWeb | Arrowmaster: The High Inquisitor. |
| 19:52.33 | Torhal | alestane: Something started years ago in an episode of South Park. It's a meme that never dies. |
| 19:52.45 | Arrowmaster | i covered everything right http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=259738&posted=1#post259738 |
| 19:53.14 | Ackis | Torhal: you should dye your hair red |
| 19:53.26 | Torhal | Ackis: Nah. |
| 19:54.03 | Ackis | well we know you have no soul so it'd fit |
| 19:54.15 | Torhal | Ackis: I have no soul because ARL ate it. |
| 19:54.36 | Lopeppeppy | It's a rice paper canoe, Arrowmaster. |
| 19:54.54 | bluspacecow | LOL http://twitter.com/Lylirra/status/236159273854439424 |
| 19:54.55 | Ackis | the only thing arl ate was my mind |
| 19:55.16 | Humbedooh | builds Torhal a new soul in Lua |
| 19:55.46 | Torhal | Humbedooh: Not surprised. |
| 19:55.47 | Ackis | Humbedooh: make that new sould be dependant on Collectinator 2.0 |
| 19:55.56 | Torhal | purges Ackis with fire. |
| 19:56.15 | Ackis | LUA |
| 19:56.24 | Humbedooh | blasphemer! |
| 19:56.28 | Ackis | awww I thought there was a bot who'd correect me |
| 19:56.37 | Ackis | I am dissapoint |
| 19:56.46 | Humbedooh | blames jnwhiteh |
| 19:56.46 | bluspacecow | LUA? |
| 19:56.48 | Torhal | Ackis: batbot had that taken out awhile ago. |
| 19:57.01 | Arrowmaster | krka is AWOL |
| 19:57.15 | Cairenn | Holy f****** s***, are they serious? (I'm only just now starting to get caught up on the WoA debacle and just read Shadowed's post about their response to his request to have his addons removed. |
| 19:57.20 | Shadowed | yea |
| 19:57.25 | bluspacecow | heh |
| 19:57.43 | Lopeppeppy | "Oh yeah? Make me!" I love it. |
| 19:57.44 | Torhal | Cairenn: Too much meth, I'm afraid. Or bath salts. Whatever, they're insane. |
| 19:57.51 | Shadowed | they responded again |
| 19:57.55 | Shadowed | Thank you for providing us with proof of ownership. Your addon files will be promptly removed from our site and will no longer be available for download. Once again I would like to extend my apologies and hope that perhaps things may change in the future. |
| 19:57.55 | Shadowed | Yours, |
| 19:57.55 | Shadowed | Jason B |
| 19:58.12 | Torhal | He hasn't replied to me yet. |
| 19:58.25 | Torhal | Probably because I used my @curse.com mail :) |
| 19:58.27 | Cairenn | (I'm not even trying to go through the scrollback on the channel, so apologies in advance if I repeat things already discussed) |
| 19:58.49 | Primer | Arrowmaster: Only thing I found in your post was "shit creak" |
| 19:58.53 | AcidWeb | Shadowed: You sent DMCA ? |
| 19:58.55 | Primer | when it should be "creek" |
| 19:59.05 | Shadowed | No I didn't |
| 19:59.11 | Torhal | Cairenn: After reading Shadowed's e-mail, I sent this: http://o7.no/QGlLga |
| 19:59.23 | AcidWeb | Oh. So they give a shit about "normal" emails |
| 19:59.25 | Torhal | TL;DR is "You're a fucking idiot" |
| 19:59.26 | Arrowmaster | Primer: i dont know what you are talking about |
| 19:59.28 | AcidWeb | Im quite shocked. |
| 19:59.38 | Primer | <Arrowmaster> i covered everything right http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=259738&posted=1#post259738 |
| 19:59.50 | Primer | I presume it was a question? "I covered everything, right?" |
| 19:59.57 | Arrowmaster | Primer: theres no creak anywhere |
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| 20:00.13 | Cairenn | Seriously, these guys just make me shake my head |
| 20:00.18 | Primer | Arrowmaster: "WoA/TTH are legally up **** creak without a paddle in a kayak made of cardboard." |
| 20:00.31 | Arrowmaster | Primer: thats not what it says, refresh |
| 20:00.37 | Torhal | Cairenn: Their behavior, for some reason, reminds me of Charles Carreon. |
| 20:00.47 | Primer | Arrowmaster: hey, you asked, and I looked |
| 20:00.57 | Lopeppeppy | Makes me just go "huh" ? They're worse than my grand-boss. |
| 20:00.57 | Cairenn | As someone else already pointed out, they are just Wowmatrix V2 |
| 20:01.03 | Primer | Arrowmaster: I refreshed, and it's still there |
| 20:01.10 | g0urra | cache refresh |
| 20:01.32 | Primer | yeah, now it's fixed |
| 20:01.37 | Lopeppeppy | My grand boss regularly makes my head spin like I need an exorcism. They're just worse. |
| 20:01.38 | Ackis | I just sent them a tweet because I added Torhal to all my projects |
| 20:01.41 | TMc51 | Cairenn: At least WoWMatrix V1 wasn't this bad. |
| 20:01.47 | Torhal | lololol |
| 20:01.47 | Shadowed | uh |
| 20:01.51 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 20:01.56 | Shadowed | yea you're wrong on that |
| 20:01.58 | Cairenn | thanks TMc51, I needed that laugh :) |
| 20:02.44 | TMc51 | Shadowed: Just take it for what it was. Ol' school shit talking, rather than backing anything up with facts. :P |
| 20:02.50 | bluspacecow | at least they're "talking" at us better then wow matrix |
| 20:03.05 | Arrowmaster | Ackis: who are you tweeting? the WoA twitter is dead |
| 20:03.20 | Ackis | https://twitter.com/WorldofAddons/status/235622793390211073 |
| 20:03.39 | g0urra | >August 12 |
| 20:04.08 | nicoli_s | Ackis: also ask them to please restore your posts on their news |
| 20:04.20 | Arrowmaster | yeah they havent made a single tweet today |
| 20:04.24 | Amarande | Well, think on the bright side of this. |
| 20:04.26 | Arrowmaster | guessing the PR guys are hiding |
| 20:04.28 | Ackis | they removed my post?!?! FUCKERS |
| 20:04.30 | Amarande | Master Games International goes kaput. |
| 20:04.38 | Amarande | Since GearScore is All Rights Reserved, it dies with them. |
| 20:04.40 | bluspacecow | portions of them |
| 20:04.57 | Amarande | And so we have little need to worry about such things infecting MoP like they did the last casual-friendly expansion (WOTLK). :) |
| 20:05.10 | Ressy | Tucows DMCA agent email: paul@tucows.com |
| 20:05.30 | Ressy | Add that Arrowmaster |
| 20:05.30 | Cairenn | what posts? just more on that comment thread on the spark page? |
| 20:05.31 | Ressy | :) |
| 20:06.30 | Arrowmaster | Ackis: you arent watching the reddit post very carefully anymore, my latest reply still doesnt have any upvotes |
| 20:06.41 | Ackis | dude I've been alseep all day |
| 20:06.53 | Arrowmaster | i just replyed 30 minutes ago |
| 20:06.55 | Cairenn | gives up, sorry guys, I just can't concentrate on this right now, too much other stuff I have to deal with atm |
| 20:06.57 | mckenziemc | you're supposed to sleep at night |
| 20:06.59 | Arrowmaster | youve been up that long |
| 20:07.23 | Arrowmaster | Cairenn: well try to keep the wowi thread updated with the important stuff |
| 20:07.45 | Sintacks | Arrowmaster, reddit link |
| 20:07.54 | Ackis | http://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/y8usy/new_addon_hosting_site_steals_authors_work/ |
| 20:07.57 | Sintacks | downvotes you into nothingness |
| 20:07.58 | Sintacks | <.< |
| 20:11.04 | Arrowmaster | dont downvote the guy i was replying to too much, he was just asking a question |
| 20:11.22 | Sintacks | i didn't |
| 20:12.22 | Arrowmaster | well somebody did, i didnt want to see it continue from there and make his post negative |
| 20:15.22 | mikma | ackis: lol, "we'll look into it." |
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| 20:21.18 | Arrowmaster | oh their comment system now has a captcha |
| 20:21.28 | Humbedooh | haha |
| 20:21.30 | Sintacks | lawl |
| 20:21.35 | mikma | fuggers |
| 20:21.42 | Arrowmaster | i wonder how long till they delete this "Anybody that does wish to send a DMCA takedown notice, you need to send it to the hosting provider Tucows. WoA does not have a Registered DMCA Agent and thus does not have any DMCA protections." |
| 20:22.04 | mikma | 2 minutes |
| 20:22.22 | Arrowmaster | its been up for 1 |
| 20:22.31 | mikma | 2,5 minutes |
| 20:22.55 | mikma | (see my reference to the california man -movie) |
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| 20:23.33 | Ressy | gone already I do believe |
| 20:23.35 | Ressy | I can't find it. |
| 20:24.01 | Arrowmaster | its at the bottom of page 2 |
| 20:24.46 | Ressy | forced refresh, shows up |
| 20:25.23 | Ressy | new posts showing up on 3rd page |
| 20:25.25 | Blazeflack | Yeah, that page is cached.. constantly need to ctrl+F5 to see new comments |
| 20:25.37 | Vladinator | the worst part with companies is you can't blame everyone and make them pay you back for what they didi, usually it's the boss and they always escape the harsh punishments somehow -_- |
| 20:26.20 | Primer | ctrl-f5 reeks of IE... |
| 20:26.29 | mikma | busteeeeed |
| 20:26.37 | Blazeflack | Firefox actually |
| 20:26.41 | Primer | suuuuuure |
| 20:26.43 | Blazeflack | IE is so 1999 |
| 20:26.53 | Sintacks | i lost the link to the comments ... |
| 20:27.13 | Vladinator | depends on the headers when loading the page, if it doesn't contain a timestamp so the browser knows it changed it won't forcefully update ;) |
| 20:28.01 | Vladinator | by the way, you know your avatar is outdated when the author link leads to a 404 page :P looking at you, Cairenn! |
| 20:28.12 | Cairenn | heh |
| 20:28.24 | Cairenn | it isn't outdated, I just need to update the link :p |
| 20:28.27 | |Jelly| | Cairenn. |
| 20:28.28 | Amarande | Vlad: well, usually the rank and file either don't have the slightest inkling of what the company's really up to, or they know a little bit but they're afraid to fall into that category of "unemployed with cause" in 2012 |
| 20:28.38 | Vladinator | Sorry but the author closed their deviant art account. :( |
| 20:28.43 | |Jelly| | I demand. |
| 20:28.44 | |Jelly| | Info. |
| 20:28.53 | Cairenn | |Jelly|: heheheh, nope, not yet! |
| 20:29.02 | |Jelly| | :( |
| 20:29.10 | kd3 | ? |
| 20:29.13 | kd3 | tabs open facebook |
| 20:29.17 | Amarande | Especially so in larger operations, since frequently the nefarious acts are only committed by specific divisions. :| |
| 20:29.26 | Vladinator | Amarande: yeah. |
| 20:29.33 | TMc51 | |Jelly|: Turn that frown upside, mate. ): Oh god, what have I done?! D: |
| 20:29.38 | Arrowmaster | yeah the PR drones that man the twitter accounts have had no clue whats going on |
| 20:30.09 | Cairenn | otoh, he has an updated version, I may just ask him if I can use it instead |
| 20:30.14 | Vladinator | That's why corporations get away with a lot of things. |
| 20:30.28 | Cairenn | I like the update he did to her, it's very pretty |
| 20:30.38 | mikma | a whatwhat in the what |
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| 20:31.52 | Arrowmaster | i wonder who hia is |
| 20:31.55 | kd3 | oh, gah, I need to change my facebook avatar |
| 20:31.57 | Ressy | hm.. I think I'll be heading downtown on Sun.. Check out the tucows headquarters. |
| 20:32.15 | Blazeflack | Arrowmaster: Ellizia |
| 20:32.38 | Amarande | Ressy, I think you'll be A-Ressy-ted if you try to go in there with a screwdriver and yank the WoA server out of the rack, sadly :( |
| 20:32.38 | Blazeflack | ‹Ellizia› Please do not post comments with people's email addresses. 20:14. Please do not steal people´s copyrighted addons |
| 20:32.44 | Blazeflack | ‹Ellizia› im so funny |
| 20:32.47 | Ressy | lol |
| 20:32.47 | Blazeflack | ;) |
| 20:32.51 | Humbedooh | Blazeflack, yeah I was gonnaa quote that too :D |
| 20:33.24 | Ressy | ooh. I found the building on google maps. Time to find out how to get there. |
| 20:33.45 | Ellizia | ;o |
| 20:33.46 | Arrowmaster | Ressy: find paul and have a chat with him |
| 20:34.24 | mikma | sure you are pissed about this, but ain't this too much already? been going on for 2 days now, nonstop :D |
| 20:34.31 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 20:34.48 | Humbedooh | mikma, entertain us! pretend I'm rtharper and dazzle me with images! |
| 20:35.01 | mikma | humbedooh: ok, moment |
| 20:35.06 | Humbedooh | \o/ |
| 20:35.27 | mikma | humbedooh: http://fashionindie.lookbooks.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/ExterfaceUnicorn-7--550x351.jpg |
| 20:35.27 | Vladinator | Btw, if WoA had had an opt-in system, would what they did be okay or still no? |
| 20:35.43 | Arrowmaster | it would be fine |
| 20:35.46 | Humbedooh | mikma, disturbing :| |
| 20:35.49 | TMc51 | If it was opt in, it would be fine. |
| 20:35.58 | Arrowmaster | opt in would be legal and we wouldnt care |
| 20:36.01 | nevcairiel | if its opt-in and they only take addons where they get permission, how would it be wrong? :d |
| 20:36.04 | Vladinator | Shame it wasn't an opt in then, it was a good IDEA, unified updater :P |
| 20:36.05 | nicoli_s | Vladinator:i wouldnt be ok with their import an addon feature |
| 20:36.09 | nicoli_s | still scrapes curse |
| 20:36.47 | Vladinator | What important addon feature? I haven't really looked much into WoA, found their site hard to navigate, LOL! |
| 20:36.47 | Gnarfoz | Vladinator: wowi and curse didn't make a unified one, nobody else has business creating one using wowi's and curse's servers |
| 20:37.06 | Primer | surely their IPs are filtered on curse by now? |
| 20:37.14 | mikma | humbedooh: very. also, http://tinyurl.com/9jwrapn |
| 20:37.22 | Gnarfoz | even if - it's too late now? :p |
| 20:37.43 | Gnarfoz | they're already hosting stuff they shouldn't be hosting in the first place |
| 20:38.00 | Humbedooh | mikma, hah agreed |
| 20:38.12 | mikma | humbedooh: you know what day tomorrow is???? http://imgur.com/gallery/oReAZ |
| 20:38.13 | Humbedooh | maybe something for bronies |
| 20:38.22 | mikma | sing along! |
| 20:38.44 | Humbedooh | oh noes |
| 20:39.04 | Humbedooh | I'm afraid my singing career ended when I was 15 |
| 20:39.13 | Vladinator | Lol |
| 20:39.18 | Humbedooh | but I can still spot someone being off-key a mile away |
| 20:39.44 | mikma | did it happen like it happened to homer simpson |
| 20:39.52 | mikma | "hey, my voice just changed!" |
| 20:39.54 | Humbedooh | yes :\ |
| 20:40.09 | Humbedooh | also, I didn't really give a fuck after that :p |
| 20:40.30 | mikma | gah, where is blubspacecow when i need him :( |
| 20:40.41 | mckenziemc | i used to sing in the school chorus |
| 20:40.45 | mckenziemc | then i took an arrow to the knee :( |
| 20:41.33 | Ressy | I think the comment by the admin about DMCAs 'which have legal consequences for not only us, but for them as well', is just to intimidate addon authors from filing the DMCA notices.. |
| 20:41.46 | Vladinator | mikma: maybe she is a ventriloquist? |
| 20:41.52 | mikma | purl: notify bluspacecow: tnt! http://imgur.com/gallery/yUNhh |
| 20:42.25 | mikma | hmm, that didn't work |
| 20:43.07 | mikma | purl: message to bluspacecow: tnt! http://imgur.com/gallery/yUNhh |
| 20:43.15 | mikma | that did the trick |
| 20:43.33 | Vladinator | you made the bot message him trough the channel chat? :P |
| 20:44.02 | mikma | i dunno |
| 20:44.11 | Vladinator | ~slap mikma |
| 20:44.12 | purl | ACTION slaps mikma, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 20:44.15 | mikma | purl: message to vladinator: poop on bro, poop on! |
| 20:44.16 | Sintacks | |04:41:26 pm| [Ressy] I think the comment by the admin about DMCAs 'which have legal consequences for not only us, but for them as well', is just to intimidate addon authors from filing the DMCA notices.. |
| 20:44.18 | Sintacks | i agree |
| 20:44.27 | Vladinator | I agree too |
| 20:45.28 | Sintacks | "It seems to me they love deleting comments instead of addressing our concerns. I do write for Everyone but I choose where to upload the addon's. This website wasn't by choice. If it was by choice I wouldn't be angry." |
| 20:45.28 | Sintacks | > "Please do not post comments with people's email addresses." |
| 20:45.28 | Sintacks | >> "Please do not steal people´s copyrighted addons" -- I lol'd |
| 20:45.36 | g0urra | I wonder when they day comes that wowpedia has more site views than wowwiki.. |
| 20:45.51 | Sintacks | not soon enough |
| 20:45.57 | g0urra | when the* |
| 20:46.13 | g0urra | if I could I'd bomb the main wikia place |
| 20:46.37 | Sintacks | I wish the userscript i have was coded differently. so that instead of redirecting when it gets to wowwiki, it just changes wowwiki linkes to wowpedia links |
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| 20:46.44 | TMc51 | g0urra: The same day the average user grows a brain. In other words, probably never. |
| 20:47.00 | Sintacks | Or, I wish google's fucking "block a website from showing in results" thing would let me actually block sites |
| 20:47.40 | Blazeflack | I haven't really been following wowwiki / wowpedia discussions. Why should wowpedia be preferred? |
| 20:48.01 | Sintacks | because wikia sucks |
| 20:48.01 | g0urra | wowpedia is up to date |
| 20:48.06 | Sintacks | and that's where wowwiki is hosted |
| 20:48.07 | g0urra | and that ^ |
| 20:48.07 | kd3 | most of the admins/active editors forked the site a few years back |
| 20:48.15 | mckenziemc | up-to-date lol |
| 20:48.26 | Amarande | Wikia used to be a nice place, then they implemented all these new policies a while back |
| 20:48.38 | Sintacks | sadly, wowwiki is mostly still updated... someone likes to go in and copy updates from wowpedia to wowwiki |
| 20:48.45 | Amarande | And now many wikia wikis seem like they're on the verge of looking like Homer's Web Page :P |
| 20:48.50 | g0urra | mckenziemc: to be fair there are a lot of things that are outdated |
| 20:48.54 | g0urra | on both sites |
| 20:48.57 | Amarande | Most of the ugly gewgaws being Wikia's, not the individual wiki's |
| 20:49.05 | Blazeflack | I see. Thanks for clearing that up ^.^ |
| 20:49.12 | g0urra | but we're trying to outdo wowwiki when it comes to MoP stuff |
| 20:49.21 | Amarande | I'm also pretty sure Wikia does not have the "printer-friendly version" option at all :| |
| 20:49.29 | g0urra | like loot tables, tier sets, bosses, pet battle system etc |
| 20:49.39 | Amarande | g0urra: although wowpedia could use one particular improvement in that regard |
| 20:49.56 | g0urra | we're all ears to feedback. |
| 20:50.01 | Amarande | namely, the coding for the printer friendly pages ought to show white items as some darker colour (perhaps grey) |
| 20:50.23 | Amarande | as it is, even the "printer friendly" pages often can't quite be usefully printed because a lot of item references are white (which doesn't print) |
| 20:51.09 | Humbedooh | Amarande, black paper! :| |
| 20:51.17 | Amarande | Humbedooh: sadly, that won't work heh |
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| 20:51.34 | Amarande | black paper just denies you the ability to use black, it doesn't really do much good about the whole white thing :P |
| 20:51.36 | Humbedooh | with uhm...white ink...no |
| 20:51.46 | Amarande | white ink. have you ever seen white ink? :P |
| 20:52.01 | kd3 | sure, when I worked at a print shop |
| 20:52.06 | Humbedooh | I could maybe code some in Lua, according to Torhal |
| 20:52.07 | g0urra | www.wowpedia.org/index.php?title=Abandoned_Stone_Block&printable=yes |
| 20:52.10 | Amarande | granted, there's probably white toner for at least some laser printers, but probably not many models and likely expensive ones |
| 20:52.11 | g0urra | you mean stuff like this? |
| 20:52.59 | Amarande | ah, you did fix it :) |
| 20:53.08 | Amarande | http://www.wowpedia.org/index.php?title=Kurenai_Reputation_Guide&printable=yes was the page I first noticed it on |
| 20:53.15 | Amarande | last time I looked at it, the Obsidian Warbeads were white on white |
| 20:53.17 | g0urra | that must have been quite a while ago 'cause I didn't fix anything |
| 20:53.22 | mckenziemc | though those ads would use a lot of ink even in greyscale mode :p |
| 20:53.32 | Amarande | mckenziemc: heh, another reason to use a laser printer |
| 20:53.35 | mckenziemc | could change to text ads in printer friendly mode |
| 20:53.45 | mckenziemc | laser printers still use "ink" |
| 20:54.03 | Torhal | Humbedooh: Make it so. |
| 20:54.12 | Amarande | toner is something you generally need to replace infrequently enough that it doesn't feel so painful to do, though :) |
| 20:54.15 | Humbedooh | makes it sew |
| 20:54.17 | g0urra | I thought laser printers used pew pew lasers |
| 20:54.23 | Amarande | I think I replace toner once every year or two. |
| 20:54.32 | |Jelly| | Cairenn: How about now?! :D |
| 20:54.36 | Cairenn | Nope |
| 20:54.42 | Amarande | And that's on a lowish-end Lexmark that only gets 3,500 pages rated capacity to the cartridge. |
| 20:54.59 | |Jelly| | Can we at least get a timeframe? I mean the edge of my seat is so uncomfortable. :P |
| 20:55.16 | Amarande | On an inkjet, you'd be hard pressed not to need to replace the ink monthly, and quite usually if you don't need to replace the ink monthly, you might need to replace the printer more regularly :P |
| 20:55.44 | Amarande | which ... is actually *both* of the reasons I have a laser printer in a nutshell |
| 20:55.56 | mckenziemc | i haven't replaced my printer or its cartridges in years :) |
| 20:56.09 | Amarande | one, I like the fact that a single cartridge lasts a long time (and per-page, even though the cart might cost a lot more than a typical inkjet cart, it's generally a better value) |
| 20:56.21 | Amarande | two, I like the fact that you're not at risk for having the printer die if you go a long while without printing |
| 20:56.43 | Amarande | too many inkjets, if you don't constantly use it and stay on the manufacturer's ink purchasing treadmill, the ink will dry up in the head and kill the printer |
| 20:56.43 | Unkle | I bout a laser printer in 1998. The cartridge was rated for ~300 sheets. I got ~1000 out of it. And also, it was so sold by the time I went to get a new cartridge that they were discontinured. |
| 20:57.10 | Amarande | Unkle: yeah, another reason I'm glad to have a Lexmark |
| 20:57.23 | Amarande | Lexmarks are too often seen in too many businesses for them to discontinue the toner for any of the major models anytime soon |
| 20:57.30 | Kraps | my gosh the comments on the mop cinematic vid |
| 20:57.39 | Kraps | the worst |
| 20:57.50 | Amarande | there would be a major row, and probably a lot of companies swearing them off altogether and switching to HP or Epson |
| 20:58.04 | Unkle | Actually, it was a lexmark. But one of their first entries in the laser printer field. Since it lasted me preactically forever, I feel like I got my $300 out of it. |
| 20:58.24 | Amarande | It's also a networked Lexmark. :) |
| 20:58.36 | Unkle | s/preactocally/practically |
| 20:58.56 | cbreak | I have an HP Printer. It's not bad. They seem to share the toner format between several models, so chances are I'll be able to get supplies quite some time |
| 20:59.05 | Amarande | Actually, if there's anything that kills off older networked Lexmark printers, it will probably not be till the IPv6 transition is fully complete to the point where IPv4 infrastructure and stacks start to become deprecated |
| 20:59.19 | Amarande | since the older ones at least are IPv4 only |
| 20:59.28 | Amarande | even then, there's always a switch to parallel or USB |
| 20:59.44 | cbreak | you can just talk to it via ipv4 |
| 21:01.17 | Amarande | cbreak: well, I mean, once the whole world finally moseys its way over to IPv6 and the OS vendors thus decide to start EOLing IPv4 support, so you'd eventually need to maintain an old computer to act as a bridge |
| 21:01.36 | Amarande | Granted, that would probably not be for another decade or so at earliest, at the rate things are going |
| 21:01.44 | cbreak | many routers also support acting as printer server |
| 21:03.31 | Amarande | I *could* see OS vendors wanting to EOL IPv4 once that occurs, though, simply for the practical reason that the older stack would be less and less useful and thus more and more of an albatross (keeping in mind that networking code needs constant care and attention throughout its life due to the inherent security implications) |
| 21:03.47 | Amarande | Yeah, I've seen some routers that have that as a feature, although I'm not quite sure how universal the support is |
| 21:04.00 | Amarande | (in terms of what printer brands the router supports, that is) |
| 21:04.26 | Jamash | http://steamcommunity.com/id/mooninaut/screenshot/937000821254190309?tab=public |
| 21:04.53 | cbreak | the HP printer Ihave already supports ipv6, and it's maybe 3 years or so old |
| 21:05.03 | Jamash | ipv4 isn't going to get end of lifed for another 20 years |
| 21:05.06 | Jamash | minimum |
| 21:05.34 | Arrowmaster | i havent even checked if my new HP wireless printer supports ipv6 |
| 21:05.38 | Arrowmaster | it probably does |
| 21:05.45 | Jamash | ipv6 has barely even been deployed in the US |
| 21:05.47 | cbreak | wireless :/ |
| 21:06.36 | Jamash | name a national ISP that is handing out ipv6 blocks to all its customers, oh wait you can't |
| 21:06.50 | Arrowmaster | i thought comcast started to |
| 21:06.57 | Jamash | "started" |
| 21:07.06 | Jamash | meaning a test deployment in one small area |
| 21:07.55 | Jamash | Pleasanton, CA |
| 21:08.24 | Dagmar | No, they're acutally telling me here that if I didn't have an ancient cablemodem I could go IPv6 |
| 21:08.35 | Jamash | do you live in pleasanton? |
| 21:08.47 | Dagmar | Of course this is also the same people that it took four months of badgering to give me a list of the channels I was acutally getting, so... God only knows |
| 21:09.19 | Jamash | also they haven't updated their ipv6 deployment page since June |
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| 21:16.07 | Kraps | WHOA With the release of patch 5.0.4, we’re making all the races of Azeroth playable by anyone, no matter which version or expansion of World of Warcraft they own. This includes the enigmatic pandaren, who will become available for play when Mists of Pandaria is released on Tuesday, September 25. |
| 21:16.46 | Sintacks | yeah. i saw that. |
| 21:16.50 | Sintacks | that's kind of stupid |
| 21:17.00 | xyphoid | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:17.08 | Sintacks | you can do it all the way to 85 |
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| 21:17.19 | Sintacks | only thing you can't do is a monk |
| 21:19.26 | Arrowmaster | wow its been so long.... http://lists.debian.org/debian-publicity/2012/08/msg00005.html |
| 21:20.44 | TC-Work | get out more? |
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| 21:23.26 | Arrowmaster | Adys: http://i.imgur.com/MHz9t.png |
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| 21:26.33 | kd3 | emails out |
| 21:28.17 | Arrowmaster | admit it, you just like making me look at my tablet |
| 21:28.25 | kd3 | lol |
| 21:30.04 | Ackis | cool I've got 4 rare pets today for my huntard |
| 21:30.55 | Sintacks | kills Ackis' pets |
| 21:31.09 | Amarande | which ones? :) |
| 21:31.26 | mckenziemc | all of them |
| 21:31.28 | Sintacks | kill ALL the pets |
| 21:31.30 | Amarande | (btw, I'm guessing that Ghostcrawler is actually the most common of the spirit beast pets now, simply because he's invincible, so every spawn pretty much means a hunter acquires him?) |
| 21:31.46 | Sintacks | idk about that |
| 21:31.58 | Sintacks | cuz he's an annoying asshole to tame |
| 21:32.03 | Amarande | at least, what I read on wowhead indicated that you can't kill GC, you can only tame him |
| 21:32.15 | Sintacks | no one knows if he can really be killed |
| 21:32.24 | Amarande | (it sounds like he massively debilitates you and then drops out of combat soon after, I might be wrong on that) |
| 21:32.30 | Sintacks | but he does a stacking debuff that makes you pretty much do shit all for damage |
| 21:32.46 | Sintacks | I want to see what would happen with like, 80 people jumping him at once |
| 21:32.59 | Sintacks | World firt Ghostcrawler kill! |
| 21:33.00 | Amarande | Kind of reminds me of Omoikane from Digital Devil Saga |
| 21:33.06 | Sintacks | s/firt/first/ |
| 21:33.24 | Sintacks | "On death, Ghostcrawler bans anyone who was part of the kill." |
| 21:33.37 | Amarande | Omoikane would drop an ENORMOUS amount of xp and money when killed, and basically would never even damage you |
| 21:34.10 | Sintacks | DesuWiki has a problem |
| 21:34.11 | Sintacks | Sorry! This site is experiencing technical difficulties. |
| 21:34.11 | Sintacks | Try waiting a few minutes and reloading. |
| 21:34.24 | Sintacks | (Can't contact the database server: Access denied for user 'mw-catherine'@'localhost' (using password: YES) (localhost)) |
| 21:34.34 | Amarande | however, it would always get the first turn, would always use the "reduce all stats of whole enemy party" ability, didn't take more than scratch damage from anything but guns (which required you take an extra turn to revert from demon to human form to use), and would almost always leave battle on its second turn (if not then, always on its third) |
| 21:34.43 | Sintacks | er... wrong fucking channel for that. |
| 21:35.00 | Amarande | sounds a little like GC, yeah |
| 21:35.15 | Gnarfoz | why are you accessing a local mysql server over loopback instead of via a socket anyway |
| 21:35.19 | Ackis | Amarande: I tamed the lion that looks like the alliance mount, the ghost wolf, two spiders from firelands, last night (like 4am) I got another spider from firelands, a cat from the firelands, and a bird from shol'azar |
| 21:35.41 | Amarande | (And if it didn't flee on its second turn, that turn would always be used to again cast Debilitate (= reduce all stats of the whole enemy party for 12.5%, stacks up to 4 times) ...) |
| 21:35.44 | Sintacks | idfk. i was told to click on someone's wiki link, cuz he said it was broken. and pasted what was shown in the wrong channel. |
| 21:35.48 | Kraps | DesuWiki |
| 21:35.57 | kd3 | desudesu~ |
| 21:35.59 | kd3 | >.> |
| 21:36.03 | Sintacks | http://roset.ath.cx:81/wiki/ |
| 21:36.04 | Sintacks | <.< |
| 21:36.11 | Arrowmaster | ~desu |
| 21:36.13 | Sintacks | inb4 he kills me for sudden flood of hits |
| 21:36.20 | Amarande | Of course, DDS also had nasty things like the Press Turn system that would make agility (= hit) debuffs even worse |
| 21:36.32 | Amarande | I'd love to see an MMO use Press Turn sometime. It would be neat, in a hair-pulling way. :) |
| 21:37.09 | Gnarfoz | it's a dyndns service, so it's probably his home connection ;p |
| 21:37.48 | Gnarfoz | anyone know if there's flashable (via download mode) versions of cyanogenmod? apparently, I fucked mine up and can't get into recovery right now |
| 21:40.13 | Primer | Did Superuser stop working? I had that happen recently |
| 21:40.29 | Primer | While I could adb in and be root, su itself would not grant apps root access |
| 21:40.40 | Primer | Otherwise, I'd just say flash clockwork recovery |
| 21:41.05 | Gnarfoz | you can configure who/what gets root access in CM |
| 21:41.14 | Gnarfoz | disabled, apps, adb, or both |
| 21:41.21 | Gnarfoz | so maybe that was set to adb only? |
| 21:41.22 | Sintacks | Gnarfoz, it is, i know that. |
| 21:41.26 | Primer | yeah, usually that's done by the Superuser app |
| 21:41.48 | Gnarfoz | doesn't feel like it, since it's somewhere in the CM settings |
| 21:41.52 | Primer | unless that's changed in more recent versions. Admitedly, I'm on CM 7 |
| 21:41.56 | Gnarfoz | and the SuperUser app is by someone not involved with CM |
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| 21:42.06 | Gnarfoz | yeah, I've only seen that on cm9 |
| 21:42.11 | Primer | You still need to shell out to su |
| 21:42.16 | Gnarfoz | so maybe both have the functionality |
| 21:42.29 | Gnarfoz | shell out to su? what :D |
| 21:42.36 | Vladinator | http://i.imgur.com/QWkNH.gif trying to carry all the groceries in one trip |
| 21:42.43 | Primer | that's how it works, afaik |
| 21:42.47 | Gnarfoz | Vladinator: NEVER go twice. never. |
| 21:42.57 | Gnarfoz | Primer: I don't understand what that means |
| 21:43.10 | Vladinator | afaik is what you have on cake |
| 21:43.14 | Primer | Gnarfoz: ahh, you're not a *nix person then, my bad |
| 21:43.25 | Gnarfoz | I definitely am |
| 21:43.30 | Gnarfoz | but I'm not a native english speaker |
| 21:43.35 | Gnarfoz | I only know "shell out" as "pay for sth" |
| 21:43.38 | Kalroth | he's a krazy german |
| 21:43.53 | Gnarfoz | mighty krazy |
| 21:43.56 | Kalroth | speak in lederhosen und weissbeer and he'll understand you |
| 21:44.04 | Gnarfoz | prost |
| 21:44.05 | Primer | invoking /sbin/su |
| 21:44.15 | Primer | or wherever it resides on android |
| 21:44.22 | Dagmar | it doesn't. |
| 21:44.25 | Gnarfoz | it's in path, so, who cares |
| 21:44.28 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 21:44.38 | Gnarfoz | and Dagmar, that's not for you to decide! it might be anywhere :P |
| 21:44.55 | Primer | you'll care when it's in your path and you can't execute it because it returns "permission denied" |
| 21:44.57 | Dagmar | Well, it's in a pretty easy place on my tablet and phone. |
| 21:45.04 | Primer | which is exactly what happened to me |
| 21:45.12 | Dagmar | Primer: How the f**k did you manage that?> |
| 21:45.16 | Primer | and a lot of other people, I may add |
| 21:45.17 | Gnarfoz | permission denied on 'su'? not executable? |
| 21:45.23 | Vladinator | ehm, cursing? |
| 21:45.54 | Primer | Dagmar: no idea. One day root apps just wouldn't work any more. I had to manually wipe the Superuser "databases directory", which had apparently turned into a file somehow |
| 21:45.57 | Torhal | lol http://o7.no/NGunES |
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| 21:46.15 | Gnarfoz | oO |
| 21:46.27 | Gnarfoz | superuser database directory |
| 21:46.29 | Gnarfoz | wtf |
| 21:46.57 | Arrowmaster | if you break su just reflash it from recovery |
| 21:47.07 | Primer | Arrowmaster: yeah well, I did that |
| 21:47.09 | Gnarfoz | (except android apps having their profiles as sqlite databases (which are files to begin with), I'm not sure what you're talking about) |
| 21:47.11 | Primer | and that didn't solve it |
| 21:47.23 | Primer | Gnarfoz: files in a directory |
| 21:47.29 | Gnarfoz | anyway, back to my original problem - I've never flashed CWM "standalone" |
| 21:47.50 | Gnarfoz | Primer: in /data/data (or something like that, depending on device), yeah. all of them in one, not one per |
| 21:47.54 | Primer | Trust me, this was an issue that affected a lot of people |
| 21:47.58 | Gnarfoz | (one dir per app, I mean) |
| 21:48.13 | Dagmar | `tput le` `tput le` `tput le` |
| 21:48.16 | Primer | Gnarfoz: yes, it was /data/data/com.whatever.superuser/databases |
| 21:48.17 | Dagmar | I'll show you some cursin' |
| 21:48.24 | Primer | which was a file, but supposed to be a directory |
| 21:48.32 | Gnarfoz | I never questioned that it was "a lot of people"... |
| 21:48.57 | Primer | I'm just relating my recent experience |
| 21:49.02 | Gnarfoz | Dagmar: `chipot le` |
| 21:49.06 | Arrowmaster | im using supersu now though, supposed to be harder to break |
| 21:49.35 | Primer | And thought perhaps it might be helpful for you |
| 21:49.42 | Gnarfoz | https://twitter.com/MusclesGlasses/status/236216783563022338 he is so wise |
| 21:50.04 | Gnarfoz | Primer: not really, since I'm boot looping ;-) you had a working system without working root access |
| 21:50.15 | Primer | Gnarfoz: as the entire debacle started from trying to update CM 7.1 to 7.2, and finding that clockwork mode would not work |
| 21:50.24 | Gnarfoz | I see |
| 21:50.34 | Primer | s/mode/mod/ |
| 21:50.35 | Dagmar | Gnarfoz: Sadly, I acutally just hit up Google with `man chipot` trying to figure out what f**king madman forked termcap |
| 21:50.37 | Gnarfoz | oh I see, I only mentioned boot looping in #wowace |
| 21:50.46 | Gnarfoz | Dagmar: you're welcome |
| 21:51.00 | Arrowmaster | Gnarfoz: so you cant boot but you can get into recovery and you need to flash a new rom? |
| 21:51.02 | Primer | Clockwork recovery mod being the recovery that CM prefers |
| 21:51.23 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: I can get into download mode, but not into recovery (and not boot, either) |
| 21:51.27 | Dagmar | update.zip onna sdcard |
| 21:51.36 | Arrowmaster | im not sure what download mode is |
| 21:51.36 | Gnarfoz | Dagmar: if I could get into recovery, yes! |
| 21:51.50 | Primer | that's exactly what happened to me |
| 21:51.52 | Gnarfoz | is that something specific to my device? hm |
| 21:51.55 | Dagmar | Not sure how ya managed to break that menyu |
| 21:51.56 | Primer | could not get into recovery |
| 21:52.00 | Gnarfoz | it's the mode to flash via usb |
| 21:52.03 | Primer | despite having root in adb |
| 21:52.11 | Arrowmaster | oh the bootloader |
| 21:52.13 | Jamash | guys |
| 21:52.20 | Arrowmaster | right right |
| 21:52.27 | Gnarfoz | vol- + power + home on sgs1 |
| 21:52.36 | Jamash | should I buy a no-contract android, let the contract expire, and use it with google voice |
| 21:52.50 | Jamash | I mean |
| 21:52.52 | Dagmar | It's just volume up and power during boot onna SGII |
| 21:52.53 | Jamash | minutes |
| 21:53.03 | Gnarfoz | yeah, it's not the same on every device |
| 21:53.22 | Arrowmaster | Gnarfoz: from that mode you can use adb to push the zip to the phone, and flash the recovery |
| 21:53.23 | Gnarfoz | in any case, I just want to avoid flashing an entire rom over this when maybe just CWM will do |
| 21:53.28 | Dagmar | Jamash: Should you find a way to make calls sanely with Google Voice, go right ahead |
| 21:53.46 | Jamash | I have heard there is an app for that |
| 21:53.48 | Dagmar | I have a Xoom and a SGII, neither will make calls directly with Google Voice |
| 21:53.49 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: huh. I've never used adb in that mode. it seems I've got investigating to do |
| 21:54.19 | Primer | Gnarfoz: indulge me. Try adb now |
| 21:54.21 | Dagmar | Weirdly, I can login to the website on my computer, tell it to make a call, and it will ring my cell phone and do it that way |
| 21:54.28 | Primer | and see if you have root. If you do, just adb push |
| 21:54.52 | Gnarfoz | :S |
| 21:54.59 | Dagmar | ...or, and this is the hilarious part, without doing much of anything, I can login on my tablet as well, tell it to make a call, and MY FUCKING BROWSER ON THE COMPUTER rings. |
| 21:55.10 | Dagmar | Fucking cell companies |
| 21:55.17 | Gnarfoz | yeah, I can do that, not that putting stuff on the phone is really my problem right now :| |
| 21:55.40 | Primer | So no recovery at all works? |
| 21:55.55 | Dagmar | The only thing I can figure that's holding up easy VOIP calls is the overwhelming threat of cell phone companies suing the hell out of you just becasue they can |
| 21:56.04 | Gnarfoz | let me pause IRC for a moment and try some things instead of just chatting :P |
| 21:56.10 | Gnarfoz | bad multitasker |
| 21:56.30 | Primer | adb reboot recovery |
| 21:56.48 | Jamash | Dagmar: exactly |
| 21:57.07 | Arrowmaster | you can use either adb or fastboot to either flash the recovery or boot directly into a recovery without flashing it from that mode |
| 21:57.31 | Jamash | the only reason gvoice doesn't do it on android is they want to play nicey-nice with the cell networks |
| 21:57.52 | Jamash | by which I mean allow the cell networks to continue to rip off their customers |
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| 21:59.33 | Dagmar | Jamash: It really pisses me off that it goes so far with the Xoom as to not have support in freaking Bluetooth for earpieces |
| 21:59.47 | Dagmar | You can have stereo bluetooth headphones, but no earpiece |
| 21:59.51 | Jamash | that's dumnb |
| 22:00.37 | Dagmar | Yeah that is what got me into setting up adb to cook up custom images |
| 22:00.46 | Dagmar | This shit will not fly with me when I know it's not that hard |
| 22:00.48 | Vladinator | http://imgur.com/gallery/RHtCE - irony that the Time Machine uses... time :3 |
| 22:01.35 | Dagmar | Vladinator: You should try that kind of backup to an NT server sometime |
| 22:02.13 | Vladinator | The only backup I do sometimes is at work, 1TB drive takes very little time. Surprise me how long a NT server uses :P |
| 22:03.17 | Dagmar | You aren't doing it with hundreds of thousands of files |
| 22:04.34 | Jamash | funny how creating an uncompressed archive of 10,000 files and storing that on a usb key takes about 30 seconds |
| 22:04.41 | Jamash | but trying to copy those files takes 10 min |
| 22:04.56 | Primer | inodes |
| 22:05.01 | Jamash | fat32 |
| 22:05.05 | Primer | same concept |
| 22:05.05 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: interestingly, when I connect the phone to USB when it's in download mode, I get the "device not recognized/device has malfunctioned" popup |
| 22:05.11 | Jamash | same but worse |
| 22:05.31 | Primer | Gnarfoz: when you enable USB storage? |
| 22:05.32 | Vladinator | When I plugin my phone I get BSOD with IQRLESSOREQUAL error |
| 22:05.38 | Gnarfoz | Primer: how would I enable usb storage |
| 22:05.42 | Gnarfoz | I can't boot! |
| 22:05.42 | Gnarfoz | :p |
| 22:05.49 | Primer | Gnarfoz: because windows needs drivers for most phones |
| 22:05.50 | Gnarfoz | not sure if it's always like this for SGS1, I've never tried adb in this mode |
| 22:06.00 | Gnarfoz | yes, the android debugging bridge driver |
| 22:06.24 | Primer | Gnarfoz: so you're in recovery or bootloader...yeah, adb |
| 22:06.37 | Primer | Didn't realize you were not booted |
| 22:06.44 | Arrowmaster | i would try to flash the recovery from the bootloader |
| 22:06.52 | Arrowmaster | i dont think you can do much else |
| 22:07.20 | Gnarfoz | well, I can use Odin or Heimdall and just bulldoze the entire thing :p |
| 22:07.34 | Primer | Why not Thor?! |
| 22:07.42 | Primer | thinks of other Norse gods... |
| 22:08.05 | Gnarfoz | (*that*'s probably not available for all phones. Odin because it's Samsung proprietary, not sure what devices Heimdall supports these days) |
| 22:08.51 | mckenziemc | feeds Primer to Fenrir. |
| 22:08.59 | Vladinator | ~touches mckenziemc |
| 22:09.27 | Gnarfoz | haha, even low power mode is looping |
| 22:09.30 | Gnarfoz | what the hell did I do |
| 22:09.54 | Gnarfoz | (lpm being "plugged in, but turned off" - i.e. charging, but not anything else) |
| 22:11.58 | Jamash | my backup server stopped doing backups a couple weeks ago because the filesystem got to be 95% full |
| 22:12.01 | Jamash | a cautionary tale |
| 22:13.58 | Jamash | I really need to figure out how to get it to send me real email instead of local unixy mail |
| 22:14.35 | Gnarfoz | use an address instead of just a username? |
| 22:15.27 | Vladinator | I am sweaty and smell like sauerkraut. |
| 22:16.16 | Vladinator | Can't shower until I find the last crane fly and KILL IT! |
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| 22:25.55 | jnwhiteh | no response from WoA for me yet |
| 22:25.56 | jnwhiteh | but we'll see :P |
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| 22:41.25 | Arrowmaster | jnwhiteh: others are getting replys to emails but ive yet to see anything taken down |
| 22:43.01 | Dagmar | If they really wanted to help the community, they'd be making a tool that helps addon authors push updates to multiple sites at once and keep them in sync. (just occurred to me) |
| 22:44.03 | mckenziemc | old Dagmar |
| 22:44.03 | Arrowmaster | curse has an api for that |
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| 22:49.20 | Acenth | Reading this WOA stuff, I am just so shocked at how they operate. |
| 22:49.45 | Arrowmaster | yeah its obvious they never consulted a lawyer |
| 22:50.08 | Torhal | I registered. I claimed all my shit. In the "Other things we should know" box I put "I want this removed immediately, it is here against my permission." |
| 22:50.10 | Acenth | Apparently authors not wanting to be on WOA are the minority, so they need to manually verify each author before they remove illegal addons |
| 22:50.24 | Arrowmaster | if TTH even has a corporate lawyer they are probably shitting themselves right now and bitching people out for not being kept in the loop about this |
| 22:50.57 | Acenth | Some of these so called "users" are even worse. "How do we know you aren't all trolls for their competitors?!" |
| 22:51.27 | Torhal | Acenth: Look what they added to the bottom of this page: http://worldofaddons.com/authors |
| 22:51.36 | Torhal | Un-fucking-believable. |
| 22:51.53 | Torhal | We're all fucking shills! |
| 22:51.56 | Torhal | Jesus. |
| 22:51.57 | mckenziemc | lol |
| 22:52.30 | Acenth | Better to ask for forgiveness, than for permission. |
| 22:52.38 | Torhal | Not with copyright. |
| 22:52.38 | jnwhiteh | yes it is not fair for them |
| 22:52.39 | Arrowmaster | well i did tell them 'ive got a copyright claim on a large portion of stuff on wowace, remove it all' |
| 22:52.42 | jnwhiteh | curse/wowi have a monopoly |
| 22:52.46 | jnwhiteh | but its our property |
| 22:52.51 | jnwhiteh | we decide who gets the right to distribute it |
| 22:52.52 | Vladinator | "due to a large volume of shills (presumably from competitors) attempting to claim and takedown addons that aren't theirs" LOL :D |
| 22:53.42 | Arrowmaster | Kaelten said he thinking about going to consult the curse lawyers, i really want an update on that |
| 22:53.44 | mckenziemc | if they didn't have permission in the first place, their "excuse" is flimsy |
| 22:53.53 | Acenth | I found a perfect example of why WOA is flawed. The latest recount file on WOA is a beta file that only works on MoP. Yet tye "Latest File" notes is for a version back in April 2011. |
| 22:53.56 | Unkle | They don't have a monopoly. The existence of multiple sites suggests at least some level of competition. |
| 22:54.13 | jnwhiteh | fair |
| 22:54.15 | Arrowmaster | the reality is that even if they removed everything right now we could still sue them into the ground |
| 22:54.16 | jnwhiteh | duopoly |
| 22:54.24 | jnwhiteh | pedantry doesn't change the point =) |
| 22:54.32 | jnwhiteh | they didn't post lightheaded |
| 22:54.34 | jnwhiteh | because its not on curse |
| 22:54.35 | jnwhiteh | lulz |
| 22:54.39 | mckenziemc | lol |
| 22:54.49 | jnwhiteh | one of the most downloaded addons |
| 22:54.49 | Unkle | you know I can't let a perfectly good pendantic posturing opportunity go to waste. :P |
| 22:54.58 | jnwhiteh | but it wasn't in our screen-scrape :P |
| 22:54.58 | jnwhiteh | so |
| 22:54.59 | Acenth | The reason WoWI and Curse are as big as they are is because both worked closely with authors and listened. Sites like WoA and WoWmatrix skipped this hard step, in an attempt to become popular. |
| 22:55.25 | jnwhiteh | Curse did this same thing in the very very beginning, unfortunately. |
| 22:55.32 | jnwhiteh | True legitimacy only came with time |
| 22:55.35 | Unkle | Because popularity is where the ad-views are. And that's the money-shot right there. |
| 22:55.39 | jnwhiteh | but its obviously there |
| 22:55.47 | Acenth | And with the realization that they needed to work with the community, closely. |
| 22:56.13 | jnwhiteh | they only had three of my addons |
| 22:56.20 | Acenth | Reading some of the "user" posts on that announcement shows the mentality they have towards author rights. |
| 22:56.21 | jnwhiteh | TomTom, TomTomLite and Clique |
| 22:56.27 | jnwhiteh | i must not be popular |
| 22:56.59 | Torhal | They had two of my libs and two AddOns (three if you count ARL, even though Ackis is listed as manager). |
| 22:59.18 | Vladinator | what perks does one have to be in the curse network? |
| 22:59.34 | Torhal | Vladinator: ? |
| 22:59.38 | Vladinator | I know you are obligated to post certain news about the network, but any advantages? :D |
| 22:59.48 | Acenth | Perks you get? |
| 22:59.55 | Torhal | Oh, sounds like a sales/marketing thing which I would no nothing about. |
| 23:00.03 | Torhal | s/no/know/ |
| 23:00.13 | Arrowmaster | you mean all the different sites in the curse network? curse pays for the hosting costs of them all |
| 23:00.41 | Vladinator | zam network, and you got curse network, so there are two networks atm |
| 23:00.46 | Torhal | We have el hamsters on huge wheels. |
| 23:00.51 | Torhal | fel* |
| 23:00.56 | Vladinator | but originally the sites were all out from these networks, so what made them wanna join? |
| 23:01.06 | Vladinator | ought to be some benefit, hmm |
| 23:01.06 | Torhal | Vladinator: Acquisition. |
| 23:01.10 | Acenth | ^ |
| 23:01.14 | Unkle | It's hard out there for a pimp. |
| 23:01.18 | Arrowmaster | wowi was probably always part of zam |
| 23:01.20 | Primer | oh wow, I'm almost at 1000 points. I should cash out! |
| 23:01.30 | Acenth | Our infrastructure is massive now. On patch days, we handle 8 Gbps sometimes |
| 23:01.38 | Primer | I should really write a more popular addon... |
| 23:01.46 | mckenziemc | mugs Primer. |
| 23:01.57 | Acenth | Primer: I get about 0.2 points a day from my TSW mod, lol |
| 23:02.01 | Primer | holds dearly onto his reward points! |
| 23:02.10 | Cairenn | Our announcement is up |
| 23:02.11 | Torhal | Primer: The keys to doing that are writing really bad code and incorporating every feature under the sun, especially those that aren't in scope. |
| 23:02.17 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43905 |
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| 23:02.32 | Torhal | Grats, Cairenn! |
| 23:02.33 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Cairenn -> http://pastebin.com || 4.3.x ToC: 40300 || #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting || MoP Beta UI/API Changes forum: http://bit.ly/GMjEVC. Feel free to post what you find! || Battletags: http://goo.gl/2bm7n || MoP Release Date 25 Sept 2012 || Blizzard Hacked: http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/securityupdate.html || MMOUI is 10! http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43 |
| 23:02.35 | Primer | torhal: well, the addon that I spent the most time on is just eye candy |
| 23:02.44 | Vladinator | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takeover#Pros_and_cons_of_takeover :D |
| 23:02.46 | TMc51 | Grats, Cairenn! =D |
| 23:02.48 | Primer | Torhal: my other more useful addon...people debate its usefulness :/ |
| 23:02.54 | Torhal | :/ |
| 23:03.00 | Primer | Torhal: FlightHUD and DirectionArrow, if you're curious |
| 23:03.10 | Primer | DA is stupid simple |
| 23:03.33 | Primer | But I find it invaluable, especially when playing a healer |
| 23:03.45 | Primer | that is, in zones where GetPlayerPosition() isn't broken |
| 23:04.06 | Torhal | Hehe |
| 23:04.25 | Torhal | Cairenn: One thing, though - people now know you aren't 19. |
| 23:04.27 | Ressy | lawls. I like this msg: "You have zero legal standing to make copyright holders use a "claim" button to respond to a DMCA takedown notice. The takedown notices are required to be sworn UNDER PENALTY OF PERJURY by the owner or the owner's legal agent. That is all the "proof" you need. If you don't do it, notices will go to your webhost and they will definitely take it down. You really don't |
| 23:04.27 | Ressy | want this fight because you *will* lose." |
| 23:04.37 | Cairenn | lol |
| 23:04.48 | Primer | so, looking at my history, I've received a total of U$170 from curse rewards |
| 23:04.55 | Primer | not bad |
| 23:05.10 | Primer | considering I never expected anything from the addons in the first place |
| 23:05.12 | TMc51 | Nice. I've only gotten $10, and it took me almost a year for that. |
| 23:05.14 | TC-Work | so bugzilla seems to be made with html, template, perl, and JS. Now i am adding python, whoever takes care of this after me is really going to hate me. |
| 23:05.23 | Torhal | shuts up, now |
| 23:05.45 | Primer | Why bugzilla? |
| 23:05.55 | Primer | If you like python, use trac |
| 23:06.00 | TC-Work | thats what my company users |
| 23:06.02 | TC-Work | uses* |
| 23:06.17 | TC-Work | Cairenn: "No Thread specified. If you followed a valid link, please notify the administrator" |
| 23:06.38 | Arrowmaster | use the link she posted not the one she tried to put in the topic |
| 23:06.41 | Arrowmaster | it got cut off |
| 23:06.53 | TC-Work | so it did |
| 23:06.54 | Cairenn | just go to the site |
| 23:06.57 | Cairenn | :p |
| 23:07.44 | Vladinator | what are reward points on curse? |
| 23:08.16 | Primer | Vladinator: $$ |
| 23:08.16 | Acenth | Points that can be cashed out for Amazon Gift Cards or real money |
| 23:08.24 | Acenth | You earn them when people install your addon |
| 23:08.25 | Torhal | Vladinator: You sign up for the program, and you get points every day for popularity. |
| 23:08.32 | Torhal | Each point is 5 cents USD |
| 23:08.33 | TMc51 | @Vladinator: http://www.curse.com/legacycontent/page-28 |
| 23:08.46 | Vladinator | I got an old profile that I logged on and noticed :P |
| 23:09.31 | Primer | I really need to fix this long standing bug in my addon. It some times hangs when people zone into specific instances. It's been there for years, and I've never been able to debug it because the game hangs when it happens |
| 23:09.44 | Primer | I would love someone long time if they helped me :) |
| 23:10.59 | Primer | crickets... |
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| 23:14.52 | alestane | It may take longer than a minute for someone who's familiar with your problem and feels like helping to see your question. |
| 23:15.25 | Sintacks | ew. the 10 year link/icon/button ... just looks bad |
| 23:15.28 | Sintacks | where it is |
| 23:15.46 | Sintacks | also, lol @ topic |
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| 23:16.18 | Adys | morning people |
| 23:17.37 | Cairenn | Sintacks: what button? |
| 23:17.48 | Sintacks | http://puu.sh/W1bj |
| 23:19.54 | Gnarfoz | it's awfully close to the menu bar |
| 23:20.11 | Sintacks | and it covers up the main logo |
| 23:20.12 | Gnarfoz | that's about all I feel is off |
| 23:20.22 | Primer | alestane: no one feels like helping :( |
| 23:20.30 | Cairenn | Thanks guys, I'm glad you are all excited about it and happy for us |
| 23:21.03 | Unkle | :D |
| 23:21.48 | alestane | Primer, you probably need to post more info about the problem, or the relevant snippet of code, or something. Waiting for someone who doesn't know the details of the problem to offer to help and ask for more info is likely to be a long wait, it's just how it works in these environments. |
| 23:21.52 | alestane | ~asktoask |
| 23:21.52 | purl | Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help, if they can. |
| 23:23.25 | Unkle | The more info and links/code you provide, the more likely someone is to be able to fit it in to their schedule. But if I have to go download the AddOn, install it, fire up the game, try to recreate the bug... well, there's no "nice" way to say FU, but FU. |
| 23:23.25 | Gnarfoz | there's also |
| 23:23.28 | Gnarfoz | ~ask2ask |
| 23:23.34 | Gnarfoz | there isn't anymore?! |
| 23:23.38 | Gnarfoz | evil people :( |
| 23:24.03 | Primer | alestane: yes, I'm being passive aggressive, I know. Thing is, I have asked specifically before, and have had some interest. But I've learned that I now need to be coy, and try to garner interest in the problem, THEN get into the details |
| 23:24.16 | Primer | alestane: Because right now I have no fucking clue where the code that's doing this is |
| 23:24.25 | alestane | Well, at least you're honest. |
| 23:24.28 | Torhal | Primer: Is it that issue I tried to help with last month? |
| 23:24.28 | Primer | because I can't get a trace when it happens, since the entire client hangs |
| 23:24.32 | Primer | torhal: yes |
| 23:24.36 | Torhal | Urk :/ |
| 23:24.39 | Primer | Removing that one event didn't solve it |
| 23:24.52 | alestane | If I weren't in the middle of writing the first chapter of a book, due tomorrow, I might be able to help more actively. |
| 23:24.53 | Torhal | Still, you got rid of dead code! |
| 23:25.14 | Primer | true |
| 23:25.26 | Primer | Torhal: http://ceregatti.org/svnweb/index.cgi/flight-hud/log/trunk/FlightHUD.lua |
| 23:25.51 | Primer | fuck, shit's still broken...(when I clicked on the diff link) |
| 23:26.10 | Primer | But the commit log shows I removed PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD |
| 23:26.20 | Torhal | Yar. |
| 23:26.20 | Primer | Torhal: BTW, I still love you long time for trying :) |
| 23:26.25 | Torhal | lol :) |
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| 23:27.00 | mckenziemc | ~asktoask |
| 23:27.01 | purl | Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help, if they can. |
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| 23:28.03 | Primer | I'm formulating a better question at the moment |
| 23:28.51 | Torhal | Ackis would say "how is babby formed?" |
| 23:29.01 | Primer | but first I'm fixing this SVN::WEB problem |
| 23:29.06 | Primer | yes, that's perl... |
| 23:29.31 | Torhal | When I was insane back in 1999, I thought about learning Perl. |
| 23:29.59 | Arrowmaster | i once learned Tcl, beat that |
| 23:30.31 | kd3 | winces |
| 23:30.34 | mckenziemc | wants to know how Torhal was formed. |
| 23:30.45 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: Sick fucker. |
| 23:31.28 | Arrowmaster | was back in 97 or 98 probably |
| 23:32.52 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: Oh, I blame that on ignorant curiosity. |
| 23:33.41 | Arrowmaster | i did it to work on an eggdrop bot |
| 23:33.49 | kd3 | winces again |
| 23:33.49 | Torhal | lawl |
| 23:35.22 | Amarande | Babby is formed by Alchemists, alas the mats are unavailable in a T rated game like WoW |
| 23:40.27 | Unkle | In 97 and 98 I did learn perl. |
| 23:40.51 | Unkle | And on that note, I'm out for now. |
| 23:42.02 | Torhal | ROFLMAO |
| 23:42.06 | Torhal | They nuked ALL comments. |
| 23:42.12 | kd3 | ! |
| 23:42.39 | kd3 | it's in a show/hide comments dropdown |
| 23:42.48 | Torhal | Weird, I didn't click it |
| 23:42.50 | Torhal | Huh |
| 23:42.53 | Torhal | Ok, I stand corrected |
| 23:53.45 | Arrowmaster | it says newest to oldest but they arent |
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| 23:54.38 | Arrowmaster | and one of my replies seems to be attached to the wrong post now |
| 23:56.46 | Ressy | Same with mine |
