| 00:00.20 | Adys | Vladinator: this would be true if we were actually using html |
| 00:00.25 | Vladinator | $("sarcasm").attr("text", "I love PHP, despide it's downsides") |
| 00:00.33 | Vladinator | (Was meant for Primer :P) |
| 00:00.41 | Primer | its |
| 00:00.47 | Primer | that was meant for Vladinator |
| 00:00.50 | Primer | :-P |
| 00:00.51 | Adys | Vladinator: we're just using a bastardized version of a simple markup language |
| 00:00.57 | Vladinator | yes its but |
| 00:01.05 | Vladinator | oh nvm, wasn't the autocorrect thingy :P |
| 00:01.11 | Esamynn|work | ~fail Vladinator |
| 00:01.11 | purl | Vladinator, you Fail! |
| 00:01.21 | Vladinator | I'll kill you... |
| 00:01.26 | Vladinator | ~moon Esamynn|work |
| 00:01.26 | purl | ACTION drops his pants and shows Esamynn|work a full moon. Esamynn|work drops over dead at the sight. |
| 00:01.30 | Adys | Vladinator: </sarcasm> after the fact shall be known as apologetic syntax |
| 00:01.30 | Esamynn|work | ~whalestab Vladinator |
| 00:01.31 | purl | ACTION stabs Vladinator with a rather narrow and pointy whale named Montgomery |
| 00:01.44 | Vladinator | :P |
| 00:02.14 | Vladinator | Mine method of killing was more, visual, than physical. |
| 00:02.25 | Primer | I for one acknowledge that PHP has very large shortcomings, but I still use it because I know it well, and since my shit is web based, and I have to maintain it, and my developers don't want to learn anything new...so there |
| 00:02.35 | Vladinator | :D |
| 00:02.39 | Primer | again, the devil you know |
| 00:03.06 | Primer | especially when the other choice was java |
| 00:03.10 | Adys | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eD3FN0Ah4RE |
| 00:03.12 | Adys | I missed that. |
| 00:03.13 | Vladinator | I wrote a "login" system at my workplace in PHP and a report book that uses the data from the system, saving time having to manually write the reports. |
| 00:03.13 | Esamynn|work | or the devil you have |
| 00:03.26 | Vladinator | It's the kind you walk in and get logged as visitor. |
| 00:03.38 | Primer | Vladinator: key logged? |
| 00:03.41 | Primer | runs |
| 00:03.48 | Esamynn|work | ~lart Primer |
| 00:03.48 | purl | duct-tapes Primer to the floor and drools on him |
| 00:03.54 | Vladinator | ~lard Primer |
| 00:03.58 | Esamynn|work | ~botsnack |
| 00:03.58 | purl | :), Esamynn|work |
| 00:04.09 | Vladinator | Wasn't a typo, I meant to LARD him :P |
| 00:04.15 | Vladinator | As in put pig fat on him. |
| 00:04.25 | Esamynn|work | sooo, go teach the bot a new trick :P |
| 00:04.26 | Primer | Vladinator: some people enjoy that |
| 00:04.32 | Vladinator | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/af/Homelard.jpg |
| 00:04.32 | Esamynn|work | faceplms |
| 00:04.47 | Ackis | worried about one of my kitties :( |
| 00:04.56 | durcyn | is it drowning? |
| 00:05.03 | Vladinator | cats run off and come back, don't worry |
| 00:05.09 | Ackis | might have another blockage in it's intestine |
| 00:05.23 | Vladinator | oh:( |
| 00:05.26 | Ackis | he's thrown up about 4x tonight, and the last couple have been pure water |
| 00:05.33 | Primer | :( |
| 00:06.16 | Corgan | :( |
| 00:06.25 | Vladinator | Gotta sleep but shower first, it's late here, good night! I couldn't actually get any coding done because of the chaos that ensued after the word PHP :P |
| 00:06.42 | Esamynn|work | perhaps for the best? ;) |
| 00:07.19 | Vladinator | Maybe I'll just write it in AutoIT instead. |
| 00:08.28 | Vladinator | gn |
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| 00:30.30 | Ackis | fucking cats are assholes |
| 00:30.37 | Ackis | Torhal:^ |
| 00:31.09 | Ackis | I'm following one black one around (sick one) and another black one tricks me in to following him around, and the third black one is sitting back plotting the whole thing |
| 00:32.26 | Esamynn|work | why were you following a cat around? |
| 00:34.03 | Ackis | make sure he's not sick |
| 00:34.18 | Arrowmaster | why do you have so many cats you cant tell appart? |
| 00:34.38 | Esamynn|work | why do you have cats? <-- fixed that for you |
| 00:37.11 | Ackis | because I'm a critter lover! |
| 00:37.24 | Ackis | we have 3 black cats, two are from the same litter, and two grey/white cats |
| 00:39.06 | Kaylin | suspects Ackis needs to make a cat tracking addon. |
| 00:39.35 | Kaylin | but I can't think of a SFW name... |
| 00:41.06 | durcyn | Kaylin: call it.. Burlap |
| 00:41.24 | durcyn | that being the traditional material cat-drowning sacks are made of |
| 00:41.51 | Esamynn|work | o rly? |
| 00:43.06 | Ackis | tag the little bastards with gps devices is what I should do |
| 00:45.38 | Esamynn|work | oh, I'd tag them alright... just not with gps devices. |
| 00:49.57 | Dagmar | You're doing it entirely wrong. |
| 00:50.07 | Dagmar | Give them _free text messaging_ and they'll line up for it |
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| 01:21.16 | alestane | The cats? |
| 01:51.13 | mckenziemc | moo |
| 01:51.13 | Adys | Cairenn: http://youtu.be/b_mVb-G1v1I |
| 01:51.58 | Cairenn | heh, one of my cats does basically the same thing |
| 01:52.23 | Cairenn | except he knocks the tub of catnip down onto my desk |
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| 02:01.34 | kd3 | hahaha; http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/6307732261#1 |
| 02:10.16 | Arrowmaster | "Onyxia. After running Zul'gurub and/or Zul'aman every bloody day for two patches, I never want to run anything that starts with Zul ever again." |
| 02:10.24 | Arrowmaster | i wish i could post to the wow forums right now |
| 02:11.32 | Arrowmaster | i did ZG every reset from its release until TBC and then ZA every reset from its release until wrath |
| 02:11.45 | Arrowmaster | 2 fucking patches, this guy knows nothing |
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| 02:21.38 | pompy | http://gamerant.com/bioware-dlc-microtransactions-online-pass/ |
| 02:23.26 | Dagmar | Yep. They got some good weed |
| 02:23.38 | Ackis | I love day 1 dlc |
| 02:24.23 | Dagmar | "If we just sell expansions we can only fuck you for a fixed amount of money, but if we use _microtransactions_ the fucking never has to stop!" |
| 02:25.37 | Dagmar | Also it's basically an admission that they're charging so much now even they're ashamed to ask for it up front |
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| 02:50.05 | pompy | http://www.teamfortress.com/mvm/ |
| 02:51.53 | pompy | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/232447-a-mvp-wants-game-time-ban-for-forum-bans/ |
| 02:52.07 | mckenziemc | old pompy |
| 02:53.46 | pompy | fe |
| 02:53.48 | pompy | gr* |
| 02:54.41 | pompy | classic ghostcrawler http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/6307732261#8 |
| 02:55.10 | kd3 | scrolls up an hour |
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| 03:13.35 | Arrowmaster | ahahaha http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/08/12/foreign-cash-disqualifies-romney-from-presidential-bid/ |
| 03:13.41 | Arrowmaster | i want to see this end badly |
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| 04:06.37 | Arrowmaster | so i confirmed my PSU is blown today, it has a 4 year warrenty but last time it blew it took a month from shipping it back to getting a new one |
| 04:06.55 | Arrowmaster | do i try to replace it or just spend $200 on a new one |
| 04:07.27 | Dagmar | Replace it and RMA it. Use the replacement as a hot spare. |
| 04:08.13 | Arrowmaster | yeah if i got a new one i was going to rma the old one anyway |
| 04:09.48 | Arrowmaster | hmm newegg doesnt list how many 12v rails the one im looking at now has |
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| 04:18.55 | Ackis | I think my kitty is dieing :( |
| 04:19.23 | mckenziemc | :( |
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| 04:23.42 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster: you only want one rail |
| 04:24.18 | Arrowmaster | did things change? i thought you wanted multiple rails on the larger PSUs |
| 04:24.46 | Thunder_Child | I did my research a while back and I found that all in all a single rail was the best |
| 04:24.52 | Thunder_Child | I have never had an issue since |
| 04:25.25 | pompy | http://store.steampowered.com/news/8624/ |
| 04:25.42 | Arrowmaster | have a recommeded manufacturer? |
| 04:25.57 | Kaylin | what was the name of that tower defense game linked earlier? |
| 04:25.59 | Kaylin | @ steam |
| 04:26.20 | Arrowmaster | currently have a coolermaster thinging about getting either another coolermaster or im seeing suggestions to go corsair |
| 04:26.24 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster: PC Power and Cooling |
| 04:27.11 | Thunder_Child | I have had the same 750W PSU since 7/9/2008 |
| 04:27.22 | Arrowmaster | Kaylin: i linked iron brigade earlier thats kinda a tower defense |
| 04:28.12 | Kaylin | yea |
| 04:28.13 | Kaylin | that was it |
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| 05:23.57 | F16Gaming | is there an API function to check if player has a guild invite pending? browsed through wowprogramming and wowpedia but didn't find anything |
| 05:24.30 | F16Gaming | !api Guild.*Invite |
| 05:24.30 | lua_bot | Found 9 possible results for 'Guild.*Invite': CanGuildInvite, GUILD_INVITE_CANCEL, GUILD_INVITE_REQUEST, GetAutoDeclineGuildInvites, SetAutoDeclineGuildInvites, DISABLE_DECLINE_GUILD_INVITE, GuildUninvite, GuildInvite, ENABLE_DECLINE_GUILD_INVITE |
| 05:24.39 | F16Gaming | hm |
| 05:25.48 | F16Gaming | !api Guild.*Invitation |
| 05:25.49 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'Guild.*Invitation'. |
| 05:26.46 | F16Gaming | or the name of the frame that pops up when player gets a guild invite, since it uses a custom frame and not StaticPopup like most other things |
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| 05:46.24 | F16Gaming | seems i have to do: if GuildInviteFrame and GuildInviteFrame:IsShown() then -- Player has an active guild invite |
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| 06:09.25 | Maldivia | *yawn* morning |
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| 06:33.30 | kd3 | ! http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/6307802424#1 |
| 06:33.32 | kd3 | wow |
| 06:35.30 | Cairenn | oh yeah, people are going to LOVE that! |
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| 06:38.04 | xyphoid | my thingy works! http://tanelorn.xi.co.nz/chief/ i realise it's only useful for a week or two :p |
| 06:39.12 | zenzio | that's longer than most things on the Internet are useful |
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| 07:19.19 | zenzio | "Or you could just use smart pointers and not worry about who owns your pointers, without leaking like a menstruating fire hose." |
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| 07:28.58 | Maldivia | xyphoid: well, that's one way to build a alt-database :P |
| 07:32.33 | xyphoid | true! |
| 07:34.58 | xyphoid | the armory caches arent linked but the http action is GET so i could use webserver logs |
| 07:35.10 | bluspacecow | .co.nz |
| 07:35.14 | bluspacecow | you a kiwi bro :P |
| 07:35.19 | xyphoid | yep |
| 07:35.29 | bluspacecow | oh hai2u |
| 07:35.37 | bluspacecow | <--------------- mooloo |
| 07:36.33 | xyphoid | moowut? |
| 07:36.41 | bluspacecow | :| |
| 07:36.54 | bluspacecow | waikato. |
| 07:36.59 | bluspacecow | is where i'm from |
| 07:37.31 | xyphoid | oh right. that term has not made it to chch heh |
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| 07:37.44 | bluspacecow | its the call of the waikato rugby tea. |
| 07:37.47 | bluspacecow | *team |
| 07:38.45 | xyphoid | i am a little culturally illiterate |
| 07:39.42 | bluspacecow | hmmm |
| 07:39.48 | bluspacecow | level my shaman |
| 07:39.54 | bluspacecow | or work on 'chievements |
| 07:39.57 | bluspacecow | decisions decisions |
| 07:41.08 | xyphoid | i'm catching up on achievements since i've been cancelled most of Cata |
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| 07:52.51 | zenzio | http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/c118.0.403.403/p403x403/376600_457262734294743_1057611802_n.jpg |
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| 08:37.26 | Vladinator | http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/wowuidev.html.gz spike in the graph :D |
| 08:43.24 | zenzio | like some of those random quotes... "heaven forbid someone learn a new language" |
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| 08:44.16 | zenzio | haha, "Is zenzio stupid or just asking too many questions? 25.0% lines contained a question! " :) |
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| 08:58.49 | zenzio | I strongly dislike single-line if()s... especially "if(...) continue;" (or break, etc.) |
| 08:59.15 | Antze | why and why "especially"? |
| 08:59.28 | Antze | that seems to be the least annoying case |
| 09:01.41 | zenzio | I disagree it would be the least annoying, but now that you mention it I guess I find them all fairly equally annoying |
| 09:08.13 | nebula169 | the only time i use single line ifs is for short circuit logic |
| 09:09.16 | zenzio | looks like I might be the odd coder out in this case |
| 09:09.39 | zenzio | I prefer all logic to be (what I consider) easily spotted |
| 09:09.54 | zenzio | but that could easily be countered with "depends how you read your code" |
| 09:24.20 | Vladinator | if(...) break; |
| 09:24.22 | Vladinator | :( |
| 09:26.54 | zenzio | admittedly, it depends on the length of "..." - if it's short then it's not as unreadable |
| 09:27.36 | mitch0 | zenzio: I agree |
| 09:27.49 | mitch0 | I mean, with the general hate towards single-line stuff |
| 09:28.29 | mitch0 | I even went so far as to always use curly braces: |
| 09:28.32 | mitch0 | if (foo) { |
| 09:28.35 | mitch0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:28.36 | mitch0 | } |
| 09:29.05 | zenzio | I'm the kind of guy who always uses curly braces |
| 09:29.23 | mitch0 | good |
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| 09:41.04 | fugee | Which has the most up to date API reference for 4.3? wowwiki / wowpedia / wowprogramming? Or another source? |
| 09:45.46 | Elkano | I tend to go with wowpedia or wowprogramming |
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| 09:59.06 | zenzio | http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/527034_10151158356735266_648328670_n.jpg |
| 10:00.02 | Humbedooh | derp |
| 10:00.06 | bluspacecow | LOL |
| 10:00.25 | bluspacecow | even mispelled Arabic |
| 10:18.28 | Vladinator | zenzio: always curly brackets? won't lua compiler complain? :P |
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| 10:25.51 | zenzio | Vladinator: true :( I do use semicolons in lua |
| 10:26.31 | Vladinator | I stopped since it feels just so redundant |
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| 10:34.30 | Vladinator | What would you do if your friend has their birthday today but don't wanna celebrate it at all? |
| 10:34.47 | Vladinator | Would you force yourself upon thee and try make it fun, or do something, or what? |
| 10:35.42 | Stanzilla | invite to dinner then leave alone |
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| 10:38.25 | zenzio | Vladinator: I'd leave them alone, since I'm that kind of person and hate when people don't respect it - even though I know it means something to them |
| 10:38.44 | Dezzimal | order them a pizza |
| 10:38.47 | Dezzimal | pay for it |
| 10:38.50 | Dezzimal | but don't come over |
| 10:38.59 | Vladinator | good idea :D |
| 10:40.31 | Vladinator | hey quickie, I have a Unicode file but I wish to make it UTF-8, any good regex or utils for that? :( |
| 10:42.16 | Kalroth | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/64860/best-way-to-convert-text-files-between-character-sets |
| 10:46.02 | zenzio | Dezzimal: that is actually not a bad idea |
| 10:49.34 | Vladinator | used iconv, and it worked ^^ |
| 10:49.46 | Vladinator | last time I tried unicode but it's UTF-16 to 8 I wanna do hehe :P silly me |
| 11:08.31 | Fisker | VALVE CAN COUNT TO 3 |
| 11:08.38 | Fisker | GLORIOUS |
| 11:09.16 | zenzio | how s? |
| 11:09.17 | zenzio | +o |
| 11:13.12 | Vladinator | tell me how you can parse this log efficiently, I dare you: vlacula.no-ip.com/32645472.zip |
| 11:13.15 | Vladinator | http://vlacula.no-ip.com/32645472.zip * |
| 11:14.00 | Fisker | http://www.gamescom-cologne.com/media/gamescom/downloads/pdf/presse/Neuheitenliste.pdf |
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| 11:14.18 | Alram | old Fisker |
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| 11:40.22 | Vladinator | No one wanted to check my dare :( |
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| 11:41.26 | zenzio | one does not simple open .zip files in Mordor |
| 11:41.30 | zenzio | nor simply |
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| 11:43.36 | zenzio | looks like a very verbose log |
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| 11:54.49 | cbreak-work | if the question is parsing, then the answer is probably perl. |
| 11:54.55 | cbreak-work | but don't expect it to be readable |
| 11:56.31 | alestane | What was that crack? "Perl: the only language that reads the same before and after RSA encryption." |
| 11:56.56 | zenzio | lol |
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| 12:33.23 | wereHamster | 1 |
| 12:34.47 | Lopeppeppy | 5 |
| 12:36.56 | bluipodcow | Hi2u peppy |
| 12:37.31 | Lopeppeppy | Heya! I'm back, and only slightly gimpy. |
| 12:38.20 | bluipodcow | Cookies and puppies solves that |
| 12:39.12 | Lopeppeppy | RICE. Rest, ice, compression, elevation. Strained a calf muscle taking down the huge pavilion tent. |
| 12:40.40 | bluipodcow | Oh dear |
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| 12:41.33 | Lopeppeppy | I could have jacked up my knee instead, so a simple strained muscle? I'll take it. It will heal in a matter of a week or so. |
| 12:44.09 | bluipodcow | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:44.18 | zenzio | afternoon peppy |
| 12:47.03 | Lopeppeppy | I've only had 3 showers since camping, bluipodcow, be careful you don't get ebola or something. |
| 12:47.17 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, zenzio. |
| 12:47.47 | zenzio | isn't ebole from unprocessed meat? Or am I confusing it with something again |
| 12:48.47 | zenzio | seems I am confusing it again |
| 12:48.53 | Maldivia | Fisker: from that list, I'm more interested in "Final Fantasy VII" |
| 12:49.00 | zenzio | I should stop pretending I know medicine |
| 12:49.15 | Lopeppeppy | I go with the fantasy that all evils come from camping. :) |
| 12:54.25 | alestane | stalks. |
| 12:54.40 | Adys | At first I was like "How the hell is that guy a cop", but then I was like "How the hell is that guy an actor?" |
| 12:55.33 | zenzio | I'm confused |
| 12:55.50 | alestane | stalks. |
| 12:56.33 | Lopeppeppy | pounces! |
| 12:56.37 | Lopeppeppy | Pinned ya! |
| 12:56.45 | Maldivia | Adys: perhaps he's playing a guy, who's supposed to be a bad actor playing a cop ? |
| 12:57.16 | alestane | PEPPYPEPPYPEPPYPEPPYPEPPYPEPPYPEPPYPEPPYPEPPYPEPPY!!!!!!!! |
| 12:57.21 | alestane | pauses for breath. |
| 12:59.23 | Adys | Maldivia: http://www.reddit.com/r/breakingbad/comments/y5pwa/favorite_cold_open/c5sokp8 |
| 12:59.52 | Lopeppeppy | I'm baaaa-aaaack! |
| 13:00.04 | alestane | Me too! |
| 13:00.31 | alestane | knocks Peppy over, drags her behind the desk and nibbles on her toes. |
| 13:00.59 | Maldivia | Adys: actually haven't started season 5 yet, so :P |
| 13:01.12 | Adys | Maldivia: it was in an earlier season |
| 13:01.27 | Adys | Maldivia: it was when badger got busted |
| 13:01.42 | Maldivia | ok - just figured it would be recent :P |
| 13:04.01 | Adys | Maldivia: i would recommend delaying watching the latest episode in s5 as much as possible |
| 13:04.47 | Adys | Maldivia: I feel fucking ruined after seeing it, nothing is ever going to be *this* good again |
| 13:05.26 | Lopeppeppy | Crazy silly summer, nu? |
| 13:06.21 | Maldivia | Adys: hehe - well, I tend to get a season behind at times, and then watch the episodes back-to-back |
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| 13:10.01 | alestane | Summer has been quite crazy. But we close tomorrow! |
| 13:15.54 | Lopeppeppy | Huzzah. And move... this weekend? |
| 13:17.57 | alestane | Next weekend. This coming week is for refinishing the floors. |
| 13:19.04 | alestane | Also for taking measurements and planning furniture. |
| 13:21.14 | Lopeppeppy | Funiture tetris is great fun. |
| 13:22.24 | Ackis | my kitty may have died over night and I'm too afraid to go look for him :( |
| 13:22.32 | alestane | Especially because friends and family are apparently falling over themselves to give us new furniture. |
| 13:22.43 | Lopeppeppy | hugs Ackis. |
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| 13:28.06 | bluipodcow | Oh no ackis |
| 13:28.20 | bluipodcow | You sent her to me last night |
| 13:28.28 | bluipodcow | She's fine |
| 13:42.53 | Ackis | wife found him downstairs still alive, but still very lethargic |
| 13:46.07 | Ackis | bluipodcow: y u no simcity? |
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| 13:50.02 | bluipodcow | Cause I chef bills |
| 13:50.14 | bluipodcow | >_< |
| 13:50.26 | bluipodcow | Chefville |
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| 13:51.56 | Ackis | pfft |
| 13:51.57 | zenzio | how do you chef bills? |
| 13:55.32 | zenzio | I accept that language designers can do as they want, and that it's often not easy to make a template system for outputting HTML... but I do not like Smarty |
| 13:55.36 | zenzio | {elseif $category.parentProjects|@count gt 1} |
| 13:57.54 | Jamash | php is bad |
| 13:58.28 | Jamash | I mean, unless you like remotely exploitable database vulnerabilities |
| 13:58.40 | Jamash | if you like those it's _awesome_ |
| 13:59.17 | zenzio | that's a bit unfair, these days it's mostly bad PHP code, not the language itself that's vulnerable (note the "mostly") |
| 13:59.57 | Ackis | bluipodcow: I just gave you balloons at your city, you HAVE to visit now |
| 14:00.04 | mitch0 | zenzio: too bad the php landscape is 99% bad code... |
| 14:00.16 | bluipodcow | Fine lol |
| 14:00.20 | zenzio | mitch0: I do not disagree with that :) |
| 14:00.30 | mitch0 | (and the language still sucks) |
| 14:00.48 | Jamash | if a language is used almost exclusively to write bad code it is reasonable to suspect that the language may be at fault |
| 14:00.52 | zenzio | in many ways, yeah. It's gotten a bit better, but wouldn't be my language of choice |
| 14:01.19 | mitch0 | zenzio: too bad for most quick-and-dirty-bring-up-the-site-fast jobs, it's still the "best" |
| 14:01.22 | Jamash | embedding code in HTML is really just not a good idea |
| 14:02.16 | zenzio | Jamash: very much so |
| 14:02.38 | zenzio | I imagine that's why there are a number of MVC frameworks, all of which have their shortcomings |
| 14:03.26 | Jamash | it's really not that different from XML vs Lua for addons |
| 14:03.37 | mitch0 | Jamash: huh? |
| 14:03.51 | mitch0 | xml sucks in every way |
| 14:03.59 | Jamash | if you write your addon in XML you're embedding code in markup |
| 14:04.19 | Jamash | if you write your web app in php you're embedding code in markup |
| 14:04.39 | mitch0 | yes, but doing it in xml is not easier... |
| 14:04.49 | Jamash | doing it in php isn't easier either |
| 14:05.02 | Jamash | unless you just want to cut and paste without knowing what you're doing |
| 14:05.07 | Jamash | hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm! |
| 14:05.17 | Jamash | HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM |
| 14:06.08 | zenzio | for Joe Average, sure |
| 14:06.48 | Jamash | php makes it easy for people who have no business writing web apps to write bad web apps |
| 14:06.53 | zenzio | absolutely |
| 14:06.58 | zenzio | I really should spend some time learning a language to replace PHP, but I tend to not do a lot of web coding in my spare time |
| 14:07.18 | bluipodcow | Lol Dagmar that security blog thing researched ars technia |
| 14:07.23 | mitch0 | zenzio: and what would that language be? |
| 14:07.36 | zenzio | mitch0: unsure, that's why I didn't name one |
| 14:07.44 | mitch0 | yeah, that's the problem... |
| 14:07.52 | mitch0 | all the others suck in various ways :( |
| 14:07.57 | bluipodcow | *reached |
| 14:08.08 | zenzio | all languages suck in some way ;) Some just suck in less critical areas |
| 14:08.31 | zenzio | I've heard good things about python, but never looked at it myself |
| 14:08.56 | Jamash | I've tried python, it's a lot like what would happen if perl was designed |
| 14:09.10 | Jamash | as opposed to accreting |
| 14:09.34 | zenzio | wouldn't it be right to say that that's what happened with PHP too? |
| 14:09.53 | mitch0 | I can't get over the silly indentatino thing in python (and various other strange syntax) |
| 14:10.19 | mitch0 | s/typo//g |
| 14:15.05 | Jamash | yeah the indentation is odd |
| 14:15.23 | Jamash | I don't think it takes long to get used to though |
| 14:15.33 | mitch0 | it's a matter of principle ;) |
| 14:15.36 | Jamash | pfft |
| 14:15.41 | Jamash | syntax is all sugar |
| 14:15.45 | alestane | The indentation takes something you're supposed to be doing anyway, and makes it official as a way of removing other language cruft. |
| 14:16.04 | Jamash | basically |
| 14:16.25 | mitch0 | Jamash: yeah, but I prefer not to eat the earwax variety... |
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| 14:17.55 | Jamash | it's not all that restrictive anyway |
| 14:18.01 | Jamash | more nested = more indented |
| 14:18.29 | mitch0 | thing is, it doesn't _really_ help writing readable code |
| 14:18.44 | Jamash | sure it does |
| 14:19.40 | mitch0 | for a 50 liner hello world, yep. for a 10k + project, the indentation is the least of your worries, (which can be fixed by indent(1) or any other tool anyway) |
| 14:20.19 | Jamash | well then if it's the least of your worries why are you worried about it |
| 14:20.32 | mitch0 | 'cos it's forced for no good reason |
| 14:20.42 | mitch0 | and can screw up during copy-paste |
| 14:21.06 | mitch0 | & (coffee) |
| 14:27.56 | Ackis | is there a binding for the quest items that show up in the quest line |
| 14:28.03 | Ackis | s/line/log/ |
| 14:32.56 | durcyn | not by default, but it'd be easy enough to WatchFrameItemX:Click(); |
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| 14:50.34 | Shirik | "We were hoping he'd kill himself before doing something like this," Richard Weaver said. "We are just devastated for the families this SOB killed." |
| 14:50.38 | Shirik | How can you say something like this about your son |
| 14:50.58 | Dagmar | Quite frankly. |
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| 14:53.04 | alestane | Day 2! |
| 14:53.12 | Dagmar | Also because it's generally a good idea to paint someone as a crazy when serving an eviction notice goes wrong. |
| 14:53.16 | Unkle | Indeed |
| 14:54.12 | Dagmar | It keeps people from asking annoying questions about whether or not the bank that is foreclosing participated in TARP and whether or not they ever made an attempt to lower the mortgage's interest rate (which, to my knowledge, happened exactly zero times to anyone who wasn't fully paid up) |
| 14:54.32 | Dagmar | Banks don't steal homes. People are just crazy. |
| 14:55.03 | Unkle | Banks, not your friend. |
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| 15:00.33 | kd3 | yay random-ass power outages |
| 15:01.59 | Dagmar | Historically, slave-owners have generally not been the friend of the slave. |
| 15:04.25 | kd3 | ugh, my new wireless nic can't get here fast enough |
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| 15:43.09 | Shirik | http://www.jockular.com/15027/what-it-would-look-like-if-countries-said-goodbye-to-the-olympics-on-twitter-funny/page/1 |
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| 15:46.53 | Arrowmaster | https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23732 |
| 15:48.17 | Dagmar | Seriously?!? |
| 15:48.28 | Dagmar | Holy shit talk about pedantic |
| 15:49.33 | TC-Work | 2038 will get here soon than you think |
| 15:50.07 | TC-Work | but seriously, it's past the year 2000, where the fuck are my flying cars? |
| 15:50.33 | Unkle | Jet-packs, I want my motherfucking jet packs |
| 15:51.19 | Torhal|work | Unkle: Flying car. |
| 15:51.58 | Unkle | to-ma-to, to-mah-to |
| 15:52.25 | Shirik | that code is exactly why all code related to the linux kernel is crap |
| 15:52.38 | Shirik | I thought this stuff goes through code reviews |
| 15:52.41 | Shirik | what exactly are they reviewing for |
| 15:53.01 | Torhal|work | installs Atari TOS on Shirik. |
| 15:53.23 | TC-Work | Unkle: Jet pack equiped flying cars for EVA and bailout |
| 15:53.40 | Unkle | with frikkin lazer beams |
| 15:53.56 | TC-Work | Don't go overboard |
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| 16:03.36 | TC-Work | why does the best VPS package have to use debian :( |
| 16:03.49 | nevcairiel | install your own os? :p |
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| 16:07.59 | Silvanas | hi |
| 16:08.50 | Arrowmaster | TC-Work: is it a real vps or just a 'container' one |
| 16:09.02 | nevcairiel | container VPS are so horrible |
| 16:09.16 | TC-Work | Arrowmaster: whats the difference? |
| 16:09.50 | Arrowmaster | you can run your own kernel in a real VPS |
| 16:10.07 | nevcairiel | either you run under virtualized hardware and run your own kernel and everything, or you just get a jailed sub-system on another system |
| 16:10.12 | Arrowmaster | the container ones are glorified chroots |
| 16:10.27 | kd3 | 'glorified' is a bit generous |
| 16:11.11 | Silvanas | small qquestion: if i use UnitBuff("player", "enrage") it will only work for english clients right? |
| 16:11.11 | Arrowmaster | well in a normal chroot if you have root you can excape it, you shouldnt be able to in a container vps |
| 16:11.51 | nevcairiel | Silvanas: yes, but you can get the spell name with GetSpellInfo |
| 16:12.20 | TC-Work | The only one i found that would let me build my own for a decent price was linode |
| 16:12.38 | TC-Work | but dreamhost by far has the best pricings |
| 16:13.02 | Arrowmaster | linode is a real vps |
| 16:13.16 | Arrowmaster | dreamhost is probably a container vps |
| 16:14.16 | nevcairiel | i had a container vps for a short while, i got rid of it rather quickly and replaced it with a real vps, and later with real hardware |
| 16:15.33 | Arrowmaster | we had to keep telling people in #debian that they either needed a new vps or they couldnt upgrade to squeeze when it was released |
| 16:15.53 | nevcairiel | suppose they could upgrade the userland |
| 16:16.02 | Arrowmaster | new udev needed new kernel, old udev wasnt available anymore |
| 16:16.03 | nevcairiel | wonder how that would play with the c library though |
| 16:16.18 | nevcairiel | oh yeah udev is also fun like that |
| 16:16.36 | nevcairiel | debian always lives on the nearly extinct version of everything, so sometimes stuff just goes away :p |
| 16:16.59 | Arrowmaster | except all these container vps hosts were running fucking old ass kernels |
| 16:17.22 | nevcairiel | because updating requires downtime for 100 customers |
| 16:17.40 | TC-Work | there is also http://prgmr.com/xen/ but i'm not sure about it |
| 16:17.50 | nevcairiel | should hack it with one of the local root exploits that accumulated in the time :p |
| 16:18.19 | Arrowmaster | TC-Work: linode uses xen i think |
| 16:18.39 | TC-Work | Arrowmaster: yes it does |
| 16:18.55 | nevcairiel | Xen is a ok hypervisor, dont have much experience with it myself, but it seems to work quite well and has good kernel support |
| 16:19.26 | TC-Work | any other recomendations? |
| 16:19.41 | TC-Work | I'm not ready to get my own hardware yet, though i suspect i will at some point |
| 16:20.22 | Arrowmaster | what price range are you looking at? |
| 16:20.35 | nevcairiel | i know that quite some people here have linodes and are happy with that |
| 16:20.58 | TC-Work | I'll look at any price range, but i would rather keep it below $40/mo to start |
| 16:21.01 | Arrowmaster | lua_bot is running on linode i think |
| 16:21.49 | nevcairiel | i p ay €50/mo for my hardware ($62), so for 40 you should get some good vps :P |
| 16:22.05 | Arrowmaster | i would say go with the cheapest linode at first if you think it will be powerful enough |
| 16:22.18 | TC-Work | power yes, it's space that i'm iffy on |
| 16:22.34 | nevcairiel | how much space? |
| 16:22.55 | TC-Work | although, I built a bugzilla server at work and if even a few people use it, it hits 1 - 1.5 GB of ram |
| 16:23.11 | TC-Work | nevcairiel: that is a good question, i would have to go look |
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| 16:25.32 | Ackis | kitty is staying overnight in the vet :( |
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| 16:27.42 | nevcairiel | PvP Season ends on the 28th, wonder if they'll put out the 5.0 patch the same day or wait a week |
| 16:27.55 | bluipodcow | At least not f |
| 16:28.03 | bluipodcow | Dead ackis |
| 16:28.21 | bluipodcow | http://i.imgur.com/Lj1cg.jpg |
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| 16:32.13 | TC-Work | that person drinks a lot of soda |
| 16:32.44 | Unkle | That person has a tiny kid. |
| 16:36.17 | Lopeppeppy | Cogwork? Where? |
| 16:36.25 | Lopeppeppy | is innocent of all but giggles. |
| 16:36.42 | TC-Work | and driven-on snow..... |
| 16:39.30 | Unkle | Lopeppeppy: Pure of heart, wicked of thought? |
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| 16:40.46 | Lopeppeppy | *purr* |
| 16:43.59 | pompy | http://gamerant.com/half-life-3-gamescom/ i think they continue to troll! >< |
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| 16:47.21 | kd3 | so, 5.0.4 goes live 2 weeks from today |
| 16:47.29 | nevcairiel | who knows |
| 16:47.32 | nevcairiel | at least not earlier |
| 16:47.55 | kd3 | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/6308782635#1 |
| 16:48.02 | kd3 | (not the s11 ending announcement) |
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| 16:48.33 | nevcairiel | i see, that one is new |
| 16:48.52 | nevcairiel | quite the inofficial announcement |
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| 16:59.22 | kd3 | and wow, this season will be the new longest season ever, beating the end-of-wrath season by a week |
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| 17:18.11 | p3lim | 37 copper is just bullshit though |
| 17:19.36 | p3lim | 35* |
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| 17:23.37 | nilyaK | 35 copper? |
| 17:23.51 | Unkle | is bullshit. *nods* |
| 17:29.43 | Dagmar | WTF |
| 17:29.54 | Dagmar | They're really getting nasty about the money sinks now |
| 17:30.15 | Dagmar | Who the hell can afford that without spending a few seconds hunting kobolds? |
| 17:30.28 | kd3 | 35c? ouch. it was 35s last time |
| 17:30.49 | nilyaK | what is this cost now? |
| 17:30.56 | kd3 | and joy, the electricians just came by. "hey, we're turning off the power in a few minutes." |
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| 17:51.59 | alestane | snorgles Peppy some more. Not caught up yet! |
| 17:56.55 | p3lim | Anyone care to help me test some RealID/BTag stuff on the beta? |
| 17:58.08 | nevcairiel | the copper was a typo, its silver :p |
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| 18:10.18 | p3lim | Noone seems to trust me when I ask for their email to help me test RealID function returns :p |
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| 18:11.34 | TC-Work | trust? on the intertubewebs? |
| 18:14.45 | Arrowmaster | im thinking about doubling the ram in this laptop, i found laptop ram with heatspreaders |
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| 18:14.57 | Arrowmaster | let me repeat that one more time, laptop ram with heatspreaders |
| 18:15.16 | Arrowmaster | that just seems so weird |
| 18:15.17 | Erodros | Ugh, I give up, how do you get the percentage haste of your player lua? |
| 18:15.43 | kd3 | ok, they fixed the honor conversion rate to 35s a point |
| 18:15.50 | Silvanas | yeah got a new addon done and uploaded :D |
| 18:16.11 | AcidWeb | So... 28. Day 0. |
| 18:18.13 | Erodros | I am trying to estmate the damage a Pyroblast damage does, but I don't want to wait 2 ticks to figure out the tick speed. The only other way I can figure is to get its tool tip and format the text there. There has to be a better way |
| 18:19.03 | Arrowmaster | so this laptop currently has pc2-4200 ram, dell lists pc2-6400 on their site as the only upgrade sticks, im wondering it it would even run at pc2-6400 |
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| 18:23.04 | Silvanas | hmm scanning a tooltip is not a bad thing, lods of addons do that. the only other way is theocrafting |
| 18:23.17 | Silvanas | as you can probely calculate the tickspeed using the player his haste |
| 18:24.42 | Erodros | yea, pyroblast depends on haste on the amount of ticks. So if I could just get the haste, I could figure the tick speed / duration. But while I can get the total haste point, it becomes a game of checking levels and matching it with a formula:P |
| 18:25.17 | Mr_Rabies | ugh, i just realized a side effect of the blizzard leak |
| 18:25.24 | Mr_Rabies | constant fraudulent realID requests |
| 18:26.10 | Silvanas | no you cna get the haste % also |
| 18:26.33 | Mr_Rabies | er not "leak" |
| 18:26.35 | Mr_Rabies | compromise |
| 18:27.33 | Silvanas | UnitSpellHaste(unit); seems to return the current haste% you have |
| 18:27.39 | Erodros | There an API call for that Silvanas? |
| 18:27.55 | kd3 | the character sheet has to get it from somewhere |
| 18:27.56 | Silvanas | !api UnitSpellHaste |
| 18:27.57 | Erodros | Holly crap I didn't see that in the wowwiki list |
| 18:27.57 | lua_bot | UnitSpellHaste: Returns the unit's spell haste as a percentage (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/UnitSpellHaste) |
| 18:28.08 | Erodros | Thanks godsend:P |
| 18:28.44 | Silvanas | wiki is outdated, http://wowprogramming.com/ is a much better reference these days, however its not updated for MoP yet as some function had thier signeture chanced and such |
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| 18:31.29 | AcidWeb | Silvanas: You always can help us update it. |
| 18:32.07 | Erodros | humm, is that % from eveywhere, seems the number is slightly off for some reason |
| 18:32.23 | Silvanas | you mean the wiki or wowprogramming? |
| 18:32.35 | AcidWeb | wowprogramming |
| 18:32.54 | Silvanas | Erodros: its the same number that is used to display it on your charecter info panel |
| 18:33.30 | Silvanas | AcidWeb: oke didnt know the comminity has access to edit those pages |
| 18:35.42 | Vladinator | wowpedia.org is more updated isn't it? I swapped to it when the management changed. |
| 18:36.09 | Unkle | wowpedia.org > wowwiki any day. |
| 18:36.48 | Erodros | hum. Well to give an example the tooltip of pyroblast says 3.24 out of a 3.5 cast time right? Currently my haste is at 8.06. However the math says the cast time should be 3.22 |
| 18:37.52 | Vladinator | rounding issue |
| 18:37.53 | Erodros | er 8.08 sorry |
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| 18:38.23 | Erodros | It can't be a rounding issue, I mean there is a 0.02 diffrence, more than that with the float returned by UnitHaste |
| 18:39.24 | Vladinator | how much is the haste rating? |
| 18:39.38 | Vladinator | (more decimals :P) |
| 18:39.43 | Erodros | local finalTime = 3.5 - ((UnitSpellHaste("player")/100) * 3.5) |
| 18:39.48 | Erodros | is it my math? |
| 18:40.08 | Erodros | ugh got to change the /100 to *.01 |
| 18:40.35 | Silvanas | yes i get 3.22 out of it, not sure if pyroblast take the full haste or just a part of it? |
| 18:41.12 | Erodros | Humm I wonder if spell info returns a diffrent cast time |
| 18:44.41 | Erodros | drat, its giving me the changed cast of 3.238 |
| 18:46.37 | Mr_Rabies | they amended the Honor Point conversion |
| 18:46.43 | Mr_Rabies | it's 35s per |
| 18:46.48 | Mr_Rabies | oh |
| 18:46.51 | Mr_Rabies | beat by kd3 |
| 18:48.19 | Silvanas | mg the account creation process on wowprogramming is epicly complex :D |
| 18:49.19 | Vladinator | :p |
| 18:49.54 | Vladinator | if not mistaken it's a python website ^^ |
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| 18:50.14 | Vladinator | (not meant to be a follow up on the registration complexity :P) |
| 18:52.18 | Adys | its a lua website |
| 18:52.27 | Adys | jnwhiteh maintains it |
| 18:52.36 | Adys | i was gonna add oauth2 support to it but |
| 18:52.39 | Adys | fuck oauth2 |
| 18:52.42 | Erodros | Ugh I wish Pyroblast didn't use the same spellid for the debuff as for the spell |
| 18:52.42 | Adys | fuck protocols like these |
| 18:52.59 | nicoli_s | i just use an oauth2 library |
| 18:53.08 | Arrowmaster | haha http://youtu.be/dNHb3lZobt0 |
| 18:53.09 | Adys | theres no lua oauth2 lib |
| 18:53.10 | alestane | wowprogramming.com runs on Sputnik IIRC |
| 18:53.14 | Adys | aye |
| 18:54.50 | Vladinator | do you put public in front of public functions in java classes? I did but now I noticed I don't have to, hmm :P |
| 18:56.23 | Vladinator | ghost tits is better than most hollywood blockbusters tbh |
| 18:58.14 | Arrowmaster | well that was fast, got my RMA approval in 8 minutes when they say 1-2 business days |
| 18:58.18 | Dagmar | I guess this is a way of distracting people from thinking about her lazy bf and his poor cameraphone discipline |
| 18:58.21 | Arrowmaster | last time it took them almost a week |
| 18:58.25 | nevcairiel | if you dont put public in front of your functions, they are not public Vladinator |
| 18:58.49 | kd3 | they're "package-visible" |
| 18:58.51 | Vladinator | oh I should specify, they are still public to my project it seems :P |
| 18:58.52 | Vladinator | ye |
| 18:59.14 | Dagmar | Um... no. |
| 18:59.18 | nevcairiel | no explicit visibility means package-private, or package-visible however you like to put it, but its rather bad style to use that |
| 18:59.35 | Dagmar | They remain within the scope of their package, which is not the same as "public" which has a very specific meaning. |
| 18:59.43 | Dagmar | You will not taint the meaning of public or we kill you. |
| 19:00.13 | Dagmar | It's been a good word and doesn't deserve that kind of callous disregaed. |
| 19:00.16 | Dagmar | er disregard |
| 19:00.48 | Vladinator | lol |
| 19:01.09 | Vladinator | right now I forgot how to reference self variables lol... this->a gets marked as error |
| 19:01.28 | Vladinator | this. :P |
| 19:01.29 | Vladinator | dots |
| 19:01.39 | Vladinator | or colon, seems to work too |
| 19:01.40 | nevcairiel | no funky arrow signs in java |
| 19:01.42 | Vladinator | this:a |
| 19:02.03 | Vladinator | this.filepath = filepath; and this:filepath = filepath; are the same it appears, didn't know :3 |
| 19:02.06 | nevcairiel | the dot is what you usually do |
| 19:02.32 | Vladinator | aye |
| 19:04.20 | mikma | http://io9.com/5933002/futurama-art-brings-kif-morbo-and-lrrr-into-harsh-reality |
| 19:04.42 | Dagmar | That's pretty much the way it is in every language that isn't onerously overcomplificated. |
| 19:05.05 | Dagmar | If'n you don't say otherwise, dems vars are local. |
| 19:06.21 | nevcairiel | there are also quite a bunch of languages which default to global if you dont specify local, like say Lua |
| 19:06.49 | Dagmar | That's because they live in global scope |
| 19:06.53 | Arrowmaster | http://i.imgur.com/5AB30.jpg |
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| 19:23.26 | Silvanas | is the wowinterface SVN server down? i am getting an error when i try to connect to it |
| 19:24.09 | Silvanas | cant connect to wowinterface.com becase the target server activly refused the connectin |
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| 19:24.41 | Jamash | connection refused |
| 19:24.46 | Jamash | not just you |
| 19:26.07 | kd3 | huh, big beta patch today |
| 19:26.31 | bluipodcow | Surprise! |
| 19:26.36 | Cide | hi |
| 19:26.40 | kd3 | wasn't expecting it to be quite this big |
| 19:26.43 | kd3 | 'lo cide |
| 19:26.56 | nilyaK | (12:26:39 PM) kd3: wasn't expecting it to be quite this big |
| 19:27.04 | nilyaK | >_> that's what she said. |
| 19:27.13 | Silvanas | meh so i am actively banned on the svn server oO \o/ |
| 19:27.28 | nevcairiel | Silvanas: its the quality filter |
| 19:27.56 | Silvanas | so i am not awsome enough ? |
| 19:29.09 | nevcairiel | maybe the mod you're trying to download is too bad |
| 19:29.16 | nevcairiel | or the code you're trying to upload too horrible |
| 19:29.22 | nevcairiel | a realm of possibility! |
| 19:30.17 | Silvanas | wel it was a new repo i just made for a new addon, no code was uplaoded to it yet (atleast not by me) |
| 19:33.18 | Silvanas | besides there is no quality filter right |
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| 19:33.45 | nevcairiel | If you believe there is, will it make you write better code? |
| 19:33.57 | nilyaK | #f |
| 19:34.49 | nevcairiel | We should pick one addon a month and do a thorough code review, live on irc, calling out all the badness in the (addon) world :p |
| 19:35.03 | Silvanas | i do think my code is quite decent. |
| 19:35.16 | Primer | nevcairiel: feel free to start with mine |
| 19:35.24 | Silvanas | that would be cool, i am specifly focused on performane and not wasting tables |
| 19:35.27 | Primer | I would welcome such a review |
| 19:35.40 | Silvanas | hmm wath addon? |
| 19:35.49 | nevcairiel | code review is my dayjob, i prefer to actually write stuff in my freetime :p |
| 19:36.02 | Primer | hey, you're the one that suggested it... |
| 19:36.11 | Primer | I'm just calling you on it |
| 19:36.20 | nevcairiel | I also said "We" |
| 19:37.57 | Silvanas | lua code be a lot cleaner if it had a few shortcuts like var = var + 1 and such |
| 19:38.08 | Silvanas | well atleast for me becase i work with c# at work |
| 19:38.23 | Cide | it has that shortcut |
| 19:38.27 | Cide | it's written "var = var + 1" |
| 19:39.02 | Silvanas | neh the shortcut would be var++ |
| 19:39.27 | nevcairiel | these operators dont make code really that much better, if people start using them inline, it even gets confusing |
| 19:39.33 | Cide | no |
| 19:39.35 | Cide | it should be ++var |
| 19:39.46 | Cide | var++ is wasteful |
| 19:39.47 | Cide | ask Shirik |
| 19:40.07 | nevcairiel | both have their uses. a = ++b is not equal to a = b++ |
| 19:40.31 | nevcairiel | (also, ++a alone looks weird!) |
| 19:40.32 | Cide | "var = var + 1" does not return a value in lua |
| 19:40.40 | Silvanas | just use a = +b+ and let the compiler decide |
| 19:40.53 | Cide | therefore they are both just as applicable to replace "var = var + 1" |
| 19:41.11 | Cide | but "var++" promotes poor habits |
| 19:41.33 | nevcairiel | any half-decent compiler should be able to optimize whatever wasteful-ness out |
| 19:42.11 | nevcairiel | anyhow, i sometimes also miss assignments returning their value in lua |
| 19:42.14 | nevcairiel | its a useful feature |
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| 19:43.08 | Silvanas | if it did you probelty end up with ugly code. |
| 19:43.35 | Silvanas | like if a = a + 10 then --yeh realy? |
| 19:43.47 | bluipodcow | Home sleepy tiems |
| 19:44.19 | nevcairiel | its mostly useful when you have a function returning a number, with some numbers (usually negatives) being error codes, and other numbers (the positives) being actual data you need to keep |
| 19:44.38 | nevcairiel | granted, might not come up much in Lua =p |
| 19:44.50 | Cide | yeah |
| 19:44.58 | nevcairiel | In lua it would most likely be nil being the error code |
| 19:45.07 | Adys_ | what is? |
| 19:45.11 | Cide | if ( retval = foo() ) { /* fuck */ } |
| 19:45.54 | Adys | so im running systemd |
| 19:45.57 | Adys | and my computer isnt on fire |
| 19:45.59 | Adys | shockah |
| 19:46.47 | nevcairiel | isnt that the latest poettering conception |
| 19:46.50 | nevcairiel | i didnt dare to touch it |
| 19:47.05 | Adys | arch is switching to it over the next couple days |
| 19:47.19 | Adys | but its weird, changing a core part of your system and .. it works, gasp |
| 19:48.03 | Adys | nginx.service loaded failed failed A high performance web server and a reverse proxy server |
| 19:48.04 | Unkle | Assange gets asylum: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/aug/14/julian-assange-asylum-ecuador-wikileaks |
| 19:48.07 | Adys | thats the only thing that failed |
| 19:49.20 | nevcairiel | Is it just me, or does assange really look like someone guilty of something |
| 19:49.50 | Humbedooh | kiddie fiddling, definitely |
| 19:49.52 | Unkle | No one is innocent - your birth certificate is proof of guilt. |
| 19:50.18 | nevcairiel | Humbedooh: that was my thought, he somehow looks like that :p |
| 19:50.57 | Vladinator | Adys: :) |
| 19:53.38 | Adys | awesome, figured nginx out |
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| 20:00.17 | Vladinator | listening to mod music and I am happy |
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| 20:12.59 | Silvanas | bbl |
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| 20:17.32 | Vladinator | quick brainstorming |
| 20:18.12 | Vladinator | http://pastebin.com/9vLdwSF2 |
| 20:18.42 | Vladinator | I need the br to be at the line with "====" when the method exists, it does that, BuT I'd wish it not being part of the "raw" in the loop too :P |
| 20:19.08 | Vladinator | now I have to remove the last line in raw, so trying to find a way I can keep it from running the code when "====" has been found, hmm. |
| 20:19.16 | Vladinator | tried do {} while(); but same result... |
| 20:19.53 | Vladinator | any suggestions? ^^ |
| 20:31.37 | Vladinator | looks around, only dust and spiderweb on the ceiling. |
| 20:33.19 | Vladinator | I can duplicate the marking and readline code to also do it before the while but it looks so newbie like :( |
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| 20:37.40 | Vladinator | I did http://pastebin.com/hpY9mtK7 though the length check seems newbish still, it's the only way I can avoid parsing the next "====" and having it stored in raw :P |
| 20:38.09 | Vladinator | (btw, do while, while, same thing) |
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| 20:45.57 | Maldivia | why not just have it all in the loop? |
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| 20:51.58 | Erodros | Ok, how is spell cast time caluclated by haste? |
| 20:52.31 | Erodros | thought it be streight casttime * (haste /100) |
| 20:52.39 | kd3 | http://www.wowpedia.org/Spell_haste |
| 20:53.00 | Maldivia | or http://www.wowpedia.org/Casting_Speed |
| 20:53.15 | Maldivia | :) |
| 20:53.21 | kd3 | they both point to the same article |
| 20:53.23 | kd3 | >.> |
| 20:53.32 | Maldivia | I know |
| 20:53.34 | kd3 | ero: Cast Time = Base Cast Time / ((Spell Haste Percentage / 100) + 1) |
| 20:53.45 | Vladinator | :) |
| 20:53.46 | Maldivia | just trying to add some confusion |
| 20:54.52 | Erodros | ugh |
| 20:54.56 | Erodros | stupid stipd |
| 20:55.18 | Erodros | thats why my math was wrong in mop ugh..er humm mop is down |
| 20:55.35 | Torhal|work | o.O |
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| 20:55.42 | nevcairiel | if you want confusion, then calculate the length of dots or hots with haste :D |
| 20:56.01 | Arrowmaster | http://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/y7q6y/why_i_hate_att/ |
| 20:56.15 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: that's easy :) |
| 20:56.17 | Erodros | yea, thats what I was trying to do. I was doing it by getting 2, remembeing the time and using that as an estimate. But I wanted to do it on the first tick |
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| 20:56.53 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: that is, if you know if that dot/hot gets extra ticks or not :P |
| 20:57.01 | nevcairiel | Maldivia: assuming they do |
| 20:57.17 | nevcairiel | it was confusing at first, but now it makes sense to me! |
| 20:58.00 | Erodros | yea, I would clear the counters on a pyroblast then wait for the first 2 ticks, ugh, spent hours trying to figure out why my haste caculations were always off by 0.02 |
| 20:58.15 | kd3 | arrow; wth |
| 20:59.03 | nevcairiel | from my experience hots usually always gain tics, while dots are all over the place |
| 21:00.08 | Arrowmaster | kd3: my reply kinda fits in nicely with the impending demolition http://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/y7q6y/why_i_hate_att/c5t5r9k |
| 21:00.27 | Erodros | yea ugh. I was doing alot of this in a mop window with no enchants or procs, but now that I am doing these expemerments on my geared mage, I have to recaculate estimated damage, the amount of ticks ugh |
| 21:00.32 | kd3 | I'm tempted to point him to an etherkiller |
| 21:00.45 | Arrowmaster | somebody already did |
| 21:01.41 | Arrowmaster | along with telling him to power cycle the breakers multiple times to set off their monitoring alarms when it kicks over to battery |
| 21:02.08 | Erodros | BHAHAHA I saw that picture, I sooo want to make that but don't want to be responsible for owning it:P |
| 21:02.57 | Erodros | ah shit. I quote "They "say" that's is part of a non-redundant ring, so it's a SPOF for links throughout San Francisco." |
| 21:03.11 | kd3 | looks at a (sorely underused) drawer by his desk |
| 21:03.56 | nevcairiel | sucks for SF |
| 21:03.59 | nevcairiel | unplugs |
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| 21:10.03 | kd3 | throttles curl back a bit |
| 21:10.51 | Arrowmaster | http://imgur.com/gallery/YvJuq |
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| 21:28.53 | Jamash | Activity - Packets Sent: 74,071,408,623 Packets Received: 0 |
| 21:43.29 | TC-Work | Jamash: thats the complete opposite of 'secure' |
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| 21:53.29 | Arrowmaster | http://imgur.com/r/funny/sxa0G ....... |
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| 21:59.06 | Arrowmaster | those bastards |
| 21:59.15 | Arrowmaster | facebook finally forced timeline on me |
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| 22:09.06 | Arrowmaster | http://redd.it/y73x5 |
| 22:11.57 | Torhal|work | Huh |
| 22:11.59 | Torhal|work | Not me, yet. |
| 22:12.16 | TC-Work | Not me yet either |
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| 22:57.07 | TC-Work | interesting, so Django is at version 1.4.1 but the example image returns 1.5 |
| 22:57.35 | TC-Work | oh, i was looking at dev, nvm me then |
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| 23:51.13 | kd3 | yay; I <3 phone batteries that make it more than 6 hours |
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| 23:52.26 | kd3 | yay; I <3 phone batteries that make it more than 6 hours |
| 23:52.36 | Amarande | kd3: this is why I keep my Android connected to USB all the time when I'm home |
| 23:53.51 | Mr_Rabies | is it bad that i just now realized Tekkub's name was bukkeT backwards |
| 23:53.57 | Mr_Rabies | well, a day or so ago |
| 23:54.20 | Mr_Rabies | i saw someone in a game named Tekcub and was wondering if it was him, then it hit me |
| 23:54.23 | Unkle | But he is not an lolrus. |
