| 00:01.07 | Amarande | perhaps it's time to let it sit in bank till mop |
| 00:01.22 | Amarande | if I remember, that came from Ras, so will spike in value post mop because it shouldn't be gettable anymore |
| 00:01.24 | mckenziemc | perhaps it's time to vendor it |
| 00:01.54 | Amarande | OTOH, that might not help for a while since a lot of people are probably farming Ras right now to get Alanna's Embrace for mog |
| 00:01.59 | Amarande | since that will be going away with MoP too |
| 00:02.41 | mckenziemc | watches in amusement as Blizzard adds model to Darkmoon Faire rewards |
| 00:05.13 | Amarande | yay 500g for arcanite dragonling schematic. |
| 00:06.04 | Sintacks | it doesn't mean shit, but i like that i have the first reply to a blue thread on forums |
| 00:06.25 | Kaylin | edit it so it says first just to piss them off |
| 00:06.30 | Sintacks | lol |
| 00:06.40 | Sintacks | it's from hours ago |
| 00:12.51 | Dagmar | Doesnt' matter. |
| 00:13.37 | Dagmar | You could even put in an edit comment of "Added: First!" and people would still rage |
| 00:24.08 | mckenziemc | inb4lock |
| 00:27.02 | Jamash | in after the lock |
| 00:35.21 | Arrowmaster | these girlfacts and guyfacts AskReddit's are so fucking hilarious |
| 00:35.36 | Jamash | are they full of lies? |
| 00:35.44 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 00:35.47 | TC-Work | If i have: |
| 00:35.48 | TC-Work | <input type="button" value="Click me bitch" onClick="ShowHide()"> |
| 00:35.48 | TC-Work | <div id="hideaway" style="display:none;">Zergling</div> |
| 00:35.48 | TC-Work | how could the function ShowHide pull the div id? |
| 00:36.07 | Jamash | getelementbyid |
| 00:36.26 | TC-Work | but usually it's hardcoded |
| 00:36.31 | TC-Work | how to you pull it as a var |
| 00:36.36 | Jamash | I dunno |
| 00:36.44 | TC-Work | well thats what i am looking for |
| 00:37.09 | Jamash | well maybe you should ask in #webuidev |
| 00:37.33 | TC-Work | yea, i'll go do th.....oh wait.... |
| 00:38.07 | Jamash | is there a "self" for onclicks? |
| 00:38.19 | TC-Work | yes, but i am not sure what that passes |
| 00:38.26 | TC-Work | oh...duh |
| 00:38.26 | Jamash | well, find out |
| 00:40.41 | TC-Work | nope, still lost |
| 00:40.59 | TC-Work | but then i am not sure what the () is supposed to pass tbh |
| 00:41.07 | Jamash | onclick="f(this)" |
| 00:41.39 | Jamash | "this" refers to the button |
| 00:41.41 | TC-Work | yes but here is where my lack of being a programmer comes in, what is 'this' in the current context |
| 00:41.53 | TC-Work | and what about on the function side? |
| 00:42.39 | Jamash | function ShowHide(button) { something something dom something } |
| 00:43.21 | Jamash | then you can do stuff like button.name or w/e |
| 00:44.27 | Jamash | are these buttons and divs generated somehow? |
| 00:45.05 | TC-Work | http://pastebin.com/7nGAgqXD |
| 00:45.27 | TC-Work | there will be a bunch of button/div sections, and i would rather not have to create a new JS section for each one |
| 00:45.46 | TC-Work | so i just want to make sure the JS section only opens the one thats clicked |
| 00:46.35 | Jamash | so give each button and each div a "name" attribute and use that |
| 00:47.15 | TC-Work | let me give it a try, thanks |
| 00:47.39 | Jamash | IANA web developer so my knowledge of standard practice is almost nonexistent |
| 00:47.53 | Jamash | I just noodle around with JS and CSS every so often |
| 00:50.57 | nicoli_s | if you are doing Js work you should look at jquery |
| 00:51.01 | nicoli_s | just makes things so simple |
| 00:51.08 | Jamash | I think that's probably overkill |
| 00:51.19 | TC-Work | ^ |
| 00:51.25 | nicoli_s | i dunno its super easy to install and easy to use |
| 00:54.04 | nicoli_s | i love $("#elementID") instead of getElementByID("elementID") or whatever casing it is |
| 00:54.51 | TC-Work | i kept seeing that, but honestly, how hard it is to c/p? |
| 00:55.34 | mckenziemc | honestly how hard is it to spell out "copy and paste" |
| 00:55.49 | TC-Work | not that hard at all |
| 01:29.23 | arton | snorts. |
| 01:55.43 | Jamash | tests arton for controlled substances. |
| 01:57.23 | mckenziemc | tests Jamash for uncontrolled nuclear fission. |
| 01:58.21 | Jamash | gives mckenziemc a gift basket of cancer |
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| 02:14.16 | pompy | Ackis: you'd totally get this right? |
| 02:14.19 | pompy | Cairenn: ^ |
| 02:14.22 | pompy | http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/386966_4257871120866_757791391_n.jpg |
| 02:14.34 | Cairenn | that was nasty |
| 02:14.42 | Cairenn | >< |
| 02:14.49 | mckenziemc | die pompy |
| 02:15.48 | mckenziemc | that should've had a "cannot be unseen" warning on it |
| 02:16.31 | Arrowmaster | i loled |
| 02:17.10 | Cairenn | if/when I ever get a tatt, it'll be this one: http://www.cairenn-mmorpg.com/images/sigs/tk_cairenn01.gif |
| 02:17.19 | Cairenn | (just the shield) |
| 02:17.55 | pompy | why not the caption? |
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| 02:18.07 | Cairenn | I just meant not the whole border and everything |
| 02:18.14 | kd3 | ah, prime, how I love your free 2-day shipping |
| 02:18.46 | pompy | doing Student Prime or the normal prime? |
| 02:18.54 | kd3 | student prime |
| 02:19.04 | kd3 | I'm still a student, technically |
| 02:19.07 | kd3 | >.> |
| 02:19.09 | pompy | i remember when they covered 12 months, but they changed it to 6 now :\ |
| 02:19.37 | pompy | but eh, thhey give u 50% off if you wanna continue using it, $39 |
| 02:21.24 | Adys | Macrophilia refers to a fascination with or a sexual fantasy involving giants. Usually fantasies can either include the macrophile shrinking before a normal sized man or woman, or the macrophile keeping his or her normal height while their partner grows to often incredible heights. |
| 02:21.40 | Adys | Unrelated: Is there a chrome extension that selectively turns purple wikipedia links back to blue? |
| 02:21.41 | mckenziemc | just what i wanted to know |
| 02:25.23 | Arrowmaster | im so tired of seeing this fucking romney ad on hulu |
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| 02:27.12 | sylvanaar | heh |
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| 02:41.28 | Arrowmaster | im seeing this damn ad about once every 15 minutes |
| 02:41.45 | Arrowmaster | it doesnt make me want to vote for him, it makes me want to murder him |
| 02:41.57 | mckenziemc | heh |
| 02:42.05 | Arrowmaster | just so there would be no reason to play the ads anymore |
| 02:43.35 | Kaylin | Yes, let the hate flow through you... |
| 02:46.37 | mckenziemc | tickles Kaylin. |
| 02:51.55 | F16Gaming | BNGetToonInfo fixed ^^ |
| 02:52.50 | mckenziemc | y so sure? |
| 02:53.25 | F16Gaming | the 4th return value now correctly gives realm name |
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| 03:22.58 | p3lim | Trying to use AceDB to inject my custom settings into the BigWigs db, although what I does not seem to implement anything I tell it to. If anyone cares to help me with this, it would be much appriciated |
| 03:23.29 | kd3 | check in #wowace? |
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| 03:29.30 | p3lim | I thought that channel was more or less dead |
| 03:30.08 | p3lim | Oh well, if anyone here decides to lend me a hand, here is what I currently have: http://pastebin.com/V0wKLf95 (yes, those tables at the top is usually filled, this is just an example) |
| 03:31.17 | Arrowmaster | try and ask Funkeh` when hes around |
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| 03:35.46 | nebula169 | what are you trying to do? can't just poke BigWigs.db? |
| 03:41.53 | Adys | With a stiiiiick |
| 03:43.17 | p3lim | I can do it manually, by populating the table myself, but I want to see if I can do it through AceDB so I don't mess up with BigWigs' handling |
| 03:48.19 | Stanzilla | what are you trying to do? |
| 03:51.18 | Stanzilla | mr p3lim |
| 03:53.41 | p3lim | Inject my settings into BigWigs' db |
| 03:53.59 | Esamynn | terrorist! |
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| 03:55.08 | Stanzilla | p3lim: why don't you just prepare a profile and set that on every toon? |
| 03:55.41 | p3lim | Stanzilla: I'm not the only one using it |
| 03:56.30 | Stanzilla | is that for a preconfigured ui download that you want to ship without a WTF folder? |
| 03:56.45 | p3lim | Not a complete UI, but yes |
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| 04:17.49 | Arrowmaster | shit how long has my phone battery been dead |
| 04:18.12 | Arrowmaster | hope i didnt miss any important calls |
| 04:19.40 | mckenziemc | you did |
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| 04:28.16 | TC-Work | Arrowmaster: dont you have google voice? |
| 04:28.27 | Arrowmaster | i do |
| 04:28.35 | Arrowmaster | doesnt mean people always leave messages though |
| 04:28.40 | TC-Work | if you have your gmail page open it will alert you to calls |
| 04:28.48 | TC-Work | and you have video chat enabled |
| 04:28.56 | TC-Work | because you can answer through that |
| 04:29.16 | Arrowmaster | i dont, ive been using a barrowed laptop for a few weeks now so i dont keep my gmail open all the time |
| 04:29.36 | TC-Work | well then, I'm sorry good sir but you are on your own |
| 04:29.41 | Arrowmaster | thing only has 1gb of ram so i have to keep restarting firefox |
| 04:31.23 | mckenziemc | >.> |
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| 04:31.56 | mckenziemc | heyd3 |
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| 04:33.31 | TC-Work | well that blew chunks |
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| 04:38.05 | cogwheel | too easy |
| 04:38.11 | cogwheel | *resists* |
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| 04:44.00 | mckenziemc | *encourages cogwheel* |
| 04:45.32 | Adys | When I have a dict like this: http://openexchangerates.org/latest.json |
| 04:46.16 | Adys | What's the proper way to get the rates of any of these currencies against a different base? |
| 04:46.29 | Adys | eg recalculate the rates against EUR instead of USD |
| 04:46.54 | Dagmar | Asking Google. |
| 04:46.58 | cogwheel | divide by the ratio of usd:eur |
| 04:47.00 | cogwheel | imo |
| 04:47.05 | cogwheel | or eur:usd... |
| 04:47.21 | Dagmar | Much easier to just Google "175.23USD in BHI" |
| 04:47.21 | cogwheel | or something |
| 04:47.56 | Adys | Dagmar: programmatically |
| 04:48.49 | Dagmar | Multiply by destination currency, divide by source |
| 04:48.56 | Esamynn | ^ |
| 04:49.17 | cogwheel | that's what i said though i'm too lazy to prove it -_- |
| 04:49.25 | Dagmar | Prove it? Pfft. |
| 04:49.29 | Dagmar | That' |
| 04:49.40 | cogwheel | as in "proof" |
| 04:49.41 | Dagmar | That's the wonderful thing about playing with other people's money |
| 04:49.46 | Dagmar | They can either believe you, or suck it up. |
| 04:49.54 | Kaylin | easy, set it up and show some unit canceling like in first quarter physics |
| 04:50.02 | Adys | so uh |
| 04:50.04 | Esamynn | so to rebase against CAD you would divide by .993768 |
| 04:50.14 | Dagmar | There's also the small matter that that struct is pretty obviously based on USD, since USD = 1 |
| 04:50.17 | Adys | if i wanted to rebase gbp against eur instead of usd |
| 04:50.30 | Adys | id do gbp_new = eur / gbp ? |
| 04:50.39 | Dagmar | I dont' see BTC in there. *sigh* |
| 04:50.53 | mckenziemc | british thermal current? |
| 04:50.56 | Adys | Dagmar: pop the author an email |
| 04:50.57 | Kaylin | we only support fiat currencies here Dagmar /tinfoilhat |
| 04:50.59 | Adys | bitcoin mckenziemc |
| 04:51.00 | Dagmar | Bit coins |
| 04:51.24 | Adys | that latest.json is daily anyway |
| 04:51.24 | Dagmar | Kaylin: I am starting to see BTC as a useful thing for the future |
| 04:51.29 | Adys | i dont have access to the hourly one |
| 04:51.36 | Adys | so wouldnt do much good for btc :P |
| 04:52.04 | Dagmar | Cuz back in the 90's when they busted Timothy C. May, we didn't have an anonymized method of currency storage or disbursement. |
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| 04:52.31 | Adys | Dagmar: k so just to double check since i dont really want to fuck this up. against usd, eur = 0.8, gbp = 0.6. gbp against eur is 0.8/0.6 == 1.333 ? |
| 04:52.34 | Esamynn | actually, Dagmar, converting that table to a different base currency is as simple as dividing each value by the current value of the new base currency |
| 04:52.36 | Kaylin | god i hope not @ Dagmar, I'd rather do something useful like run folding at home than mine for bitcoins. =/ |
| 04:52.50 | Dagmar | You could vote with money. :) |
| 04:52.52 | Esamynn | err, Adys |
| 04:52.59 | Dagmar | s/vote/"vote" |
| 04:53.05 | Arrowmaster | Kaylin: i dont think mining is worth anything anymore |
| 04:53.07 | Adys | it doesnt sound right, it should be <1 |
| 04:53.21 | Esamynn | Adys: just divide by the current value of the new base |
| 04:53.23 | Esamynn | that's it |
| 04:53.42 | Dagmar | Esamyn: When your starting currency is 1, sure |
| 04:53.44 | Esamynn | as long as you do the whole table each time, you can keep doing that to get new bases |
| 04:53.56 | Esamynn | Dagmar: that's irrelevent |
| 04:53.58 | Adys | yes im just recalculating bases, so its against 1 |
| 04:53.59 | Esamynn | the new base becomes ! |
| 04:54.03 | Esamynn | s/!/1/ |
| 04:54.26 | Dagmar | Yes, but in this case they're all still in relation to each other |
| 04:54.36 | mckenziemc | ~whaledivide Esamynn |
| 04:54.38 | Esamynn | uhh, of course |
| 04:54.41 | Adys | gbp / eur == 0.78, which sounds right |
| 04:54.59 | Dagmar | So what if you're not starting with a currency set to 1 in that table |
| 04:55.24 | Dagmar | You wouldn't just multiply by 501 to convert pesos to CRC |
| 04:55.30 | Esamynn | that's the entire definition of BASE |
| 04:55.55 | Esamynn | we're not converting real sums of money, yet |
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| 04:56.42 | Esamynn | if you wanted to convert a real sum of money, then yes, you need to do an additional multiplication |
| 04:56.51 | Adys | im not even sure i actually need to do any conversion |
| 04:57.03 | Esamynn | Adys: what's the end goal? |
| 04:57.39 | Adys | Esamynn: Im filling a currency table just like the one in that json but based against EUR |
| 04:57.46 | Adys | but im not sure i actually need to base against EUR |
| 04:58.06 | Esamynn | and the table is for? |
| 04:58.08 | Adys | I can just set eur as 0.6 of the default |
| 04:58.22 | Adys | im just feeding it to a currency library |
| 04:59.04 | Esamynn | which requires you to define a base, or requires a specific base? |
| 04:59.35 | Adys | it lets me give currencies a factor (difference to the default) |
| 04:59.39 | Adys | and it lets me set a default one |
| 04:59.58 | Esamynn | then choose your default, convert the table, and go |
| 05:00.09 | Esamynn | or just use the base the table gives you |
| 05:00.10 | Adys | so im sorta wondering what happens if i give the default one a non-1.0 factor |
| 05:02.35 | Esamynn | (which it defines at the top btw) |
| 05:02.35 | Esamynn | it would likely screw up any attempt to convert a real sum of money |
| 05:02.35 | Esamynn | depends on the implmentation |
| 05:02.35 | Esamynn | the whole idea of base is that the base has a value of 1 |
| 05:02.36 | Esamynn | afaik |
| 05:04.52 | Dagmar | There's not really a default currency in that table |
| 05:05.14 | Esamynn | Dagmar: |
| 05:05.22 | Esamynn | Dagmar: yes there is, it's defined at the top |
| 05:05.27 | Esamynn | "base": "USD", |
| 05:05.33 | Dagmar | Ah, I see. |
| 05:05.42 | Dagmar | USD is also set to 1 in the table |
| 05:06.03 | Dagmar | S'why I was saying to just multiply by the source, then div by destination currency value |
| 05:06.08 | Esamynn | so is BSD, CUP PA |
| 05:06.11 | Esamynn | so is BSD, CUP PAB |
| 05:06.30 | Dagmar | They're probably foolishly doing 1:1 swaps on USD |
| 05:06.46 | Esamynn | that's beside the point |
| 05:07.10 | Esamynn | and yes, your math works if you're doing the conversion math yourself |
| 05:07.51 | Esamynn | no, wait, your math is backwards |
| 05:08.10 | Esamynn | div by source, mult by dest |
| 05:08.13 | Dagmar | That's because a) it's late and b) other people's money. ;) |
| 05:08.27 | mckenziemc | takes the money and runs. |
| 05:08.38 | Esamynn | ~lart mckenziemc |
| 05:08.38 | purl | blasts mckenziemc with a huge firehose then strangles mckenziemc with it |
| 05:08.50 | Esamynn | ~botsnack |
| 05:08.50 | purl | aw, gee, Esamynn |
| 05:08.58 | Dagmar | So glad I finally dug up that thread on villagers |
| 05:09.05 | mckenziemc | ~botsnack Esamynn |
| 05:09.05 | purl | :), mckenziemc |
| 05:09.22 | Dagmar | Now I know why I have like 15 villagers and four golems |
| 05:11.03 | Dagmar | Dunno if I should report it as a bug or just say "Hey, easy iron" |
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| 05:22.11 | Fisker | so |
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| 05:22.22 | Fisker | can a third party sue for violating the DMCA? ;3 |
| 05:22.32 | Dagmar | Nope |
| 05:22.43 | Fisker | :( |
| 05:22.45 | Stanzilla | Fisker my best friend |
| 05:22.47 | Fisker | but they're violating the law |
| 05:23.01 | Fisker | i demand that the law be followed to the letter |
| 05:23.02 | Dagmar | They're violating a civil statute generally |
| 05:23.31 | Fisker | according to wikipedia the DMCA is a law |
| 05:24.31 | Esamynn | ~whaleslap Fisker |
| 05:24.31 | purl | ACTION beats Fisker upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 05:24.42 | Fisker | hey Esamynn |
| 05:25.34 | Fisker | I just wonder how the Nasa videos could be legally restored after a few hours |
| 05:25.50 | Dagmar | That's content ID screwing up |
| 05:26.06 | Dagmar | They need to add metadata to the system so they can flag certain people's uploads as inviolate |
| 05:26.31 | Dagmar | If they can give Warner free reign over the thing they should sure as hell be able to give JPL and NASA a free pass |
| 05:26.54 | Arrowmaster | such as 'hey this is a news broadcast, THEY DONT HAVE COPYRIGHT ON ANYTHING' |
| 05:27.20 | Dagmar | Well, they're public domain |
| 05:27.28 | Arrowmaster | its not just public domain stuff |
| 05:27.33 | Dagmar | They don't have a copyright per se, but no one else can declare one |
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| 05:27.39 | Fisker | oh i thought it was a dmca takedown |
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| 05:27.51 | Dagmar | Nope. it's the automatic media scanning screwing up |
| 05:28.04 | bluspacecow | \o |
| 05:28.08 | Arrowmaster | people are paying for access to stock photes and music and other big content producers that also paid for it are claiming it on contentid |
| 05:28.15 | Fisker | i thought it automatically media scanned and then sent a takedown notice |
| 05:28.16 | Dagmar | It sees parts of NASA's broadcasts in $media_provider's feeds, and deduces improperly that they owned the content |
| 05:28.20 | Kaylin | cuddles bluspacecow |
| 05:28.50 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: That is just dbaggery that should get them sued over |
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| 05:28.54 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: it deduces that because the big providers are allowed to upload their stuff to contentid and say they own everything in it |
| 05:29.11 | bluspacecow | http://i.imgur.com/BX1Tc.gif |
| 05:29.46 | Dagmar | I've seen reports of jackasses actually affirming their claims over shit like white noise and birdsong |
| 05:30.08 | Esamynn | O_o |
| 05:30.21 | Dagmar | bluespacecow: Blocking his view! Animal cruelty! |
| 05:30.23 | Fisker | Dagmar did they want their money paid in bird food? |
| 05:30.28 | bluspacecow | http://i.imgur.com/tt4wO.gif |
| 05:30.30 | Arrowmaster | contentid has turned into the same thing as megauploads giving access to companies to take down stuff directly, the companys dont give a fuck what they take down as long as they hit all their targets |
| 05:30.43 | Dagmar | Content ID will have to be _fixed_ |
| 05:31.08 | Arrowmaster | except theres nothing you can do, except NOT USE YOUTUBE |
| 05:31.14 | Dagmar | ...and they'll have to start penalizing asshats for falsely claiming copyright on other people's content |
| 05:31.21 | Dagmar | That's where it's _bad_ that it's not DMCA |
| 05:31.52 | Dagmar | If it were knowingly bogus DMCA takedowns on crap like white noise and birdsong, the harmed parties could countersue and get even |
| 05:32.10 | Dagmar | Companies get two mulligans per item, and then it's payday |
| 05:32.23 | Fisker | the DMCA is bad |
| 05:32.26 | Dagmar | Yes |
| 05:32.28 | Kaylin | ^ |
| 05:32.36 | Dagmar | ...but it's about as close as we're going to get at the moment |
| 05:32.43 | Fisker | if they had used it on that Video Google would've been legally required to wait atleast 10 days before being able to restore it |
| 05:32.52 | Arrowmaster | its bad but theres at least enough good things added in to make it not completely bad |
| 05:33.16 | Dagmar | Without it YouTube wouldn't have shit for legal protection |
| 05:33.38 | Dagmar | Fisker: Umm... no? |
| 05:33.41 | Fisker | yes |
| 05:34.03 | Fisker | From a takedown is requested to a counter-notice is filed you must wait atleast 10 days before restoring content |
| 05:34.11 | Arrowmaster | a takedown notice does not mean it must be taken down right away |
| 05:34.27 | bluspacecow | GuardDog http://i.imgur.com/LcbgC.jpg |
| 05:34.32 | Dagmar | NOpe. You don't have to wait in either case |
| 05:35.52 | Dagmar | Given my choice I'd rather see someone get put in the slammer for bogus takedown requests than to get their money |
| 05:36.11 | Dagmar | They use that 'perjury' word, after all |
| 05:36.43 | Esamynn | say what? |
| 05:36.57 | Esamynn | nvm |
| 05:37.15 | Dagmar | DMCA takedown requires statement "under penalty of purjery' |
| 05:37.36 | Dagmar | i.e., "the type of lie we'll send you to fucking prison over" |
| 05:37.44 | Esamynn | yes yes |
| 05:38.51 | Fisker | sure |
| 05:39.05 | Dagmar | I suspect mere fines don't carry the same gravitas as the possibility of starring in a private prison rape scene |
| 05:39.47 | Dagmar | Most folks when presented with having to pick between their job and their "brown cherry" are going to have an easy decision to make |
| 05:40.58 | Fisker | i have work soon :( |
| 05:41.19 | Dagmar | Well, try not to perjer yourself too much. |
| 05:41.36 | bluspacecow | the fiskery fisker works ? |
| 05:41.39 | Fisker | these guy at work still use kix |
| 05:41.40 | Dagmar | s/perjer/perjure/ |
| 05:41.42 | Fisker | :( |
| 05:41.43 | Fisker | dumb fucks |
| 05:41.58 | Dagmar | Jesus. |
| 05:42.09 | Dagmar | Someone should tell them that kix are for trids, damnit. |
| 05:42.11 | Fisker | when i last heard of kix it was on a windows 2000 server |
| 05:42.44 | Dagmar | . o ( Amazing it still works ) |
| 05:43.09 | Fisker | the best part about it is that they said they had gotten rid of it years ago |
| 05:43.27 | Dagmar | Bad infrastructure must be removed by fire. |
| 05:43.58 | bluspacecow | ~framexml |
| 05:43.58 | purl | somebody said framexml was Blizzard's UI for WoW. Export code/art from the client by using the wow.exe -console commands "ExportInterfaceFiles code" and "ExportInterfaceFiles art" (must be used on login screen); or view it online at http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source , http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser or http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml |
| 05:44.07 | Dagmar | We had an SDM still using OWL. She was the only person still using it for the past three years |
| 05:44.25 | Dagmar | We had to "threaten" to set it up under a VM on her laptop before she'd just use freakin' Sharepoint |
| 05:44.36 | Fisker | They didn't believe me until i showed a log of process monitor loading kix, loading the script, touching the files it said it touched, etc. |
| 05:44.48 | Dagmar | Fire. |
| 05:45.07 | bluspacecow | kill it ? |
| 05:45.19 | Dagmar | Absolutely. Burn it out with fire and then salt the earth |
| 05:45.34 | Fisker | i suggested i wrote them a simple vbscript to do the same thing |
| 05:45.37 | Dagmar | We had a support guy come in to "patch" an OOB monitoring box |
| 05:45.41 | Fisker | then we printed out all the kix scripts |
| 05:45.47 | Fisker | and we started burning the paper |
| 05:45.52 | Dagmar | He rather nonchalantly installed McAffee while he was at it. |
| 05:46.16 | Dagmar | The "OMG the mail server is unreachable" alarm starts going off while he's there, and he just ignores it, gets up, and walks out after hiding the taskbar icon |
| 05:46.21 | Dagmar | I wanted to skin him. |
| 05:46.24 | Fisker | :D |
| 05:46.55 | Dagmar | The campus policy it uses blocks 25/tcp with a firewall, which meant the mail checker was mysteriously going off all the time |
| 05:47.02 | Kaylin | sounds like a classy guy. |
| 05:47.02 | Fisker | i did cause one of the admins to get kinda agitated |
| 05:47.10 | Fisker | my computer is filled with tons of "hacker" tools |
| 05:47.27 | Fisker | so mcafee just sent out 6400 emails about "threats" on my computer |
| 05:47.31 | Dagmar | He was just being thick and kinda making decisions of "Well, if it's in the office, we're supposed to make sure it's getting patches" |
| 05:47.37 | Fisker | that was pretty funny |
| 05:47.41 | p3lim | I just hate it when I play with my cat, then it suddenly stops and starts to stare intensely down the dark corridor, and there is nothing there. |
| 05:47.53 | Dagmar | NOW there is a great big orange sticker on that monitor saying 'NEVER INSTALL MCAFFE ON THIS MACHINE. EVER' |
| 05:48.16 | Kaylin | they should put that on all the machines. |
| 05:48.22 | Kaylin | the sticker I mean |
| 05:48.41 | Dagmar | We'd carefully locked the machine down, but it doesn't make much difference when the lunker can get the Administrator password |
| 05:48.50 | Dagmar | That's gone now |
| 05:49.39 | Dagmar | If we need to change that box much, we'll just have to reinstall, but at least the bloody monitoring will still happen properly |
| 05:50.01 | Arrowmaster | i would threaten to beat anybody that did that senseless with a wiffle bat |
| 05:50.09 | Dagmar | I started to neuter it's ability to ever get on a domain again |
| 05:50.39 | Dagmar | I was calling the telco asking them why they'd blocked our outbound 25/tcp |
| 05:51.06 | arton | bugs exist. deal with it. |
| 05:51.18 | Dagmar | That wasn't a bug |
| 05:51.34 | Dagmar | That was bad infra coming back because we didn't burn it out with fire |
| 05:51.46 | arton | What I said had nothing to do with what you said. |
| 05:51.50 | Dagmar | i.e., make it so NO ONE could install McAffee on there ever |
| 05:52.09 | arton | I didn't even read before I typed. :/ |
| 05:52.15 | Dagmar | k |
| 06:03.54 | mckenziemc | night blukeyloggercow |
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| 06:08.41 | Thunder_Child | http://tech.woot.com/offers/kingston-16gb-1600mhz-ddr3-sdram-kit |
| 06:12.35 | Fisker | nice price :( |
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| 06:12.51 | Fisker | hey kd3 |
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| 06:12.59 | Fisker | i just upgraded to 32GB myself |
| 06:13.26 | bluspacecow | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/06/microwaving-socks-causes-house-fire_n_1749358.html?utm_hp_ref=weird-news |
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| 06:14.20 | Corrodias | this just in: don't bake pizza with the cardboard still on it |
| 06:17.57 | Esamynn | ~fail Corrodias |
| 06:17.57 | purl | Corrodias, you Fail! |
| 06:18.38 | bluspacecow | http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=BhuOzBS_O-M |
| 06:19.00 | Esamynn | bluspacecow: spammer |
| 06:19.15 | bluspacecow | lul |
| 06:19.24 | Esamynn | ~fishslap bluspacecow |
| 06:19.24 | purl | ACTION slaps bluspacecow up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 06:19.52 | Corrodias | the fire alarm turned off pretty quickly once i got it aired out |
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| 06:27.23 | bluspacecow | >_> |
| 06:27.24 | bluspacecow | <_< |
| 06:27.25 | bluspacecow | http://www.thedailyblink.com/2012/08/based-on-a-horrifyingly-true-story/ |
| 06:27.30 | bluspacecow | @Esamynn u mad ? |
| 06:28.41 | Esamynn | ~cheeseslap bluspacecow |
| 06:28.41 | purl | ACTION slaps bluspacecow around with a wheel of swiss |
| 06:28.50 | bluspacecow | so mad |
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| 06:45.05 | Jamash | memory transfer rates keep going up, but does latency improved any? |
| 06:46.21 | Jamash | who writes a note to themselves to buy deadly poison instead of installing an addon that buys it automatically |
| 06:48.34 | bluspacecow | :| |
| 06:48.36 | bluspacecow | http://www.moanmyip.com/ |
| 06:49.20 | Esamynn | Jamash: a non-programmer |
| 06:49.32 | Jamash | the first two digits of my ip are 69 :-| |
| 06:49.57 | Trela | bluspacecow: I had to close it to stop laughing. XD |
| 06:50.06 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:51.01 | Jamash | my ip is a sort of almost but not really numerical palindrome |
| 06:58.43 | Jamash | so I was going to try to get in the planetside 2 beta |
| 06:58.50 | Jamash | then I found out it was sony |
| 06:58.58 | Jamash | so that was out of the question |
| 06:59.06 | Jamash | then I watched totalbiscuit play it |
| 06:59.10 | Jamash | and now I actually want to play it |
| 06:59.41 | Jamash | unfortunately, it's *still sony* |
| 06:59.42 | Jamash | I don't know what to do |
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| 07:15.51 | Corrodias | sony funds some decent agmes |
| 07:15.59 | Corrodias | you either play or don't |
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| 07:38.58 | Jamash | the map in planetside 2 is broken down into hexes |
| 07:39.04 | Jamash | I cannot resist |
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| 08:17.05 | zenzio | http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/4987812_460s_v1.jpg ... |
| 08:20.29 | bluspacecow | http://www.startrek.com/article/creation-con-preview-startrek-coms-federation-panel |
| 08:20.33 | bluspacecow | not sure if want. |
| 08:20.34 | bluspacecow | also |
| 08:20.37 | bluspacecow | lolz trekcon |
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| 08:59.48 | bluspacecow | @Cairenn|afk https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=3557503898230&set=a.1687775476188.2082203.1291712653&type=1&ref=nf |
| 09:01.05 | zenzio | :) |
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| 09:25.14 | karl_w_w | the women's high jump might just be the hottest event at the olympics |
| 09:25.35 | zenzio | don't know about that... it's good, definitely |
| 09:25.57 | zenzio | but I prefer sand volleyball by a small margin at least |
| 09:30.57 | karl_w_w | no volleyball is too deliberate |
| 09:36.32 | zenzio | and the rest aren't? |
| 09:37.26 | zenzio | I doubt they're trying to blind the opponents with their stunning looks; and they are entitled to wear less skimpy clothes if they want to |
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| 10:13.13 | karl_w_w | there are rules regarding a minimum level of skimpiness in volleyball attire |
| 10:13.21 | karl_w_w | and that says nothing of the camerawork |
| 10:15.36 | cbreak-work | I learned that athletes at the olympics were performing in the nude. |
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| 10:16.15 | zenzio | karl_w_w: the rules were changed this spring so they can wear much less revealing clothing |
| 10:16.28 | zenzio | except for men, they are still required to play in shorts and singlets |
| 10:17.29 | zenzio | either way, people who complain about how athletes are dressed can listen to the radio |
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| 11:03.05 | karl_w_w | have i bought anything for $73.98 lately? :P |
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| 12:17.49 | mikma | rtharper: getting closer and closer |
| 12:17.53 | rtharper | ja |
| 12:18.52 | mikma | ugh, knulla min hund |
| 12:19.33 | rtharper | haha |
| 12:19.35 | rtharper | nej tack |
| 12:20.01 | mikma | varför inte? det er mycket bra! |
| 12:21.52 | Stanzilla | I like bras |
| 12:38.27 | Stanzilla | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhREGptlp50&feature=share |
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| 13:19.32 | karl_w_w | just found an unopened 2009 calendar still in a shopping bag on my shelf |
| 13:19.42 | karl_w_w | no idea how it got there |
| 13:20.26 | mikma | the bag? |
| 13:20.40 | karl_w_w | either |
| 13:20.58 | Kalroth | the shelf? |
| 13:21.56 | karl_w_w | is there any reason for me to keep old bank statements for a closed account? |
| 13:22.54 | Kalroth | do you plan on using them again to cheat with tax? |
| 13:23.52 | karl_w_w | i didnt even earn enough to pay tax in the years this account was open :P |
| 13:24.12 | mikma | rtharper: http://imgur.com/gallery/aySBC - that's why they don't sell 'em in here |
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| 13:49.50 | renstrm | Gotta love this: https://github.com/Talyrius/wow-ui-source/commit/c373c874f7485b8a6c61ea535f129f681532baa6#L45L508 |
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| 14:06.52 | zenzio | "GNOME isn't shooting for the bleeding edge either! Instead, it's taking aim at its own foot... ;)" |
| 14:12.26 | bluspacecow | hi2u zenzio |
| 14:12.37 | zenzio | ohai bluspacecow |
| 14:12.51 | bluspacecow | this dip i'm using for my potato crisps is quite nice |
| 14:12.57 | bluspacecow | gherkin relish |
| 14:16.45 | Amarande | zenzio: heh, if I was still in Linux, once my distro went to GNOME 3 I was likely to just go to E17 |
| 14:17.16 | zenzio | I'm very happy with Xfce, but I have been waiting for E17 to "finish"... used to love E16 |
| 14:17.20 | Humbedooh | likes gnomes |
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| 14:28.51 | nevcairiel | isnt E17 like the DNF of linix wm's now |
| 14:29.09 | nevcairiel | linux |
| 14:29.38 | Thunder_Child | and yet it's also written as 'nix |
| 14:29.40 | Thunder_Child | go figure |
| 14:30.07 | nevcairiel | lunix then |
| 14:30.38 | Thunder_Child | Xunil |
| 14:31.18 | Shirik | I finally watched the first few episodes of Dr. Who |
| 14:32.13 | bluspacecow | ooooo which one ? |
| 14:32.16 | bluspacecow | also /lick |
| 14:32.53 | Antze | gz Shirik |
| 14:33.33 | nevcairiel | old or new "first"? |
| 14:34.04 | bluspacecow | was it black and white or did it some guy that sounded like he was from the north of england with a buzz head hair cut ? |
| 14:34.05 | Shirik | I dunno |
| 14:34.11 | Shirik | nevcairiel: How could I tell? It looked new |
| 14:34.28 | Humbedooh | was it from the 60's or from this century? |
| 14:34.33 | bluspacecow | http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m87egvT9vY1qkyenvo1_400.jpg |
| 14:34.36 | Shirik | I seriously doubt it was from the 60s |
| 14:34.38 | bluspacecow | ^^ 9th docotor |
| 14:34.45 | nevcairiel | if the first ep was about a plastic alien then its new |
| 14:34.49 | Shirik | yes |
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| 14:59.36 | Dagmar | wat |
| 15:00.09 | Dagmar | Holy shit end of August? Not much longer to wait |
| 15:00.46 | bluspacecow | to ? |
| 15:01.27 | Dagmar | Until actually new episodes of Doctor Who start airing again |
| 15:01.37 | bluspacecow | oh ly? |
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| 15:01.46 | Antze | ya |
| 15:01.47 | Antze | http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/s7/doctor-who/news/a393394/doctor-who-series-seven-to-air-in-august-says-matt-smith.html |
| 15:01.55 | Dagmar | ...as opposed to the other kind of "new" episodes that make die-hards frantically paw at Google and Pirate Bay simultaneously |
| 15:01.57 | Arrowmaster | im confused and really want to know what they are doing and why http://i.imgur.com/7qqXh.jpg |
| 15:02.29 | Antze | hm |
| 15:02.47 | Antze | we make a game about a paladin running for his life... |
| 15:02.53 | Antze | this kind of reminds |
| 15:03.14 | bluspacecow | clearly its a RP game organized by Steam |
| 15:03.16 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: They're showing why sponsored people have neither dignity, nor enough sense to not try to wear the decorative armor that's supposed to just hang on the rack and look arty |
| 15:03.21 | bluspacecow | notice the multiple hats ? |
| 15:03.33 | Antze | moar stat bonuses? |
| 15:15.19 | Shirik | series 7? |
| 15:15.26 | Shirik | how the hell am I supposed to watch that many episodes |
| 15:17.47 | bluspacecow | a lot of free time. |
| 15:20.12 | karl_w_w | Shirik: you're supposed to ensure all free time is spent watching TV |
| 15:20.18 | karl_w_w | you have to optimize dammit! |
| 15:20.22 | Antze | one hour every evening - only two months |
| 15:20.53 | karl_w_w | ive never watched much dr who |
| 15:21.07 | Dagmar | What a waste of skin you are |
| 15:21.09 | karl_w_w | I'm contemplating watching from the start of Smith's doctor |
| 15:21.23 | karl_w_w | but I just have too much other stuff to watch |
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| 15:21.53 | nevcairiel | dont miss out on the 10th doctor, he was brilliant |
| 15:22.51 | durcyn | karen gillan is the only reason to even contemplate watching that tripe, let's be honest |
| 15:24.23 | Antze | *sighs* nobody loves the 9th... |
| 15:25.06 | nevcairiel | he was good too but his time so brief |
| 15:25.30 | Antze | yeah :( |
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| 15:26.40 | Shirik | wait |
| 15:26.43 | Shirik | there's more than 1 doctor? |
| 15:27.03 | Torhal|work | headdesks. |
| 15:27.05 | Antze | ahem |
| 15:27.06 | nevcairiel | when he dies he changes into a new one |
| 15:27.07 | durcyn | they retconned some bullshit in about him regenerating into a new form to explain changing actors, yes |
| 15:27.23 | Shirik | I probably wasn't supposed to know that |
| 15:27.33 | durcyn | it's not a secret |
| 15:27.41 | nevcairiel | doesnt hurt anything |
| 15:27.55 | sylvanaar_work | except his female companions |
| 15:28.01 | durcyn | the rest of the world has known for 50 years |
| 15:28.03 | karl_w_w | budum |
| 15:28.41 | nevcairiel | rose was pretty ok with the change |
| 15:28.50 | sylvanaar_work | i always liked rose |
| 15:28.51 | nevcairiel | after the initial.shock |
| 15:28.58 | nevcairiel | me too |
| 15:29.20 | bluspacecow | never into a women tho |
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| 15:29.46 | sylvanaar_work | maybe thats coming soon... |
| 15:29.54 | sylvanaar_work | never know |
| 15:30.05 | durcyn | the only problem with rose is now billie piper thinks she's a singer |
| 15:30.06 | Antze | many sexy male companions, mmmm |
| 15:30.20 | Dagmar | I only want to know how well she does at the lap rodeo |
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| 15:38.28 | karl_w_w | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/6294289712 0% across the board? |
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| 15:42.45 | Kraps | told you MoP killed wow |
| 15:45.00 | Antze | according to the timestamps she *thought* she was a singer |
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| 15:49.35 | nilyaK | will there be battletags in WoW in MoP? |
| 15:49.49 | bluspacecow | iirc yes |
| 15:50.03 | nilyaK | Can I collect friends with them and level up my friends to 25? |
| 15:50.07 | bluspacecow | its listed as one of the features of the PTR |
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| 15:50.24 | nilyaK | *nods* |
| 15:50.28 | nilyaK | finally |
| 15:51.14 | foxlit | battletags are bad :/ |
| 15:51.45 | nilyaK | why so ? :X |
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| 15:52.16 | foxlit | well, maybe not. D3's adding everyone you ever played a public game with to a list is bad. |
| 15:52.35 | nilyaK | oh, yea :X |
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| 15:57.01 | karl_w_w | "Sure. But OP remembers the figure $37.50 – so believes he/she is being cheated and calls 'hideous crap' plans that are a lot better value. Before it was $75GB peak and a lot more offpeak for $37.50 without line rental, which was $20 (correct me if I am wrong) – so the total was $57.50. Now for $55 he can have a terabyte, which saves him $2.50 for a bus ticket to school where they teach how to add dollars and cents." |
| 15:57.03 | karl_w_w | classic |
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| 16:04.37 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:05.13 | Torhal|work | Always. |
| 16:05.15 | Torhal|work | :D |
| 16:05.16 | karl_w_w | Cairenn! |
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| 16:11.37 | TC-Work | It's amazing how everyone walks around in the morning with a cup of coffee grafted to their hand, and it's not classified as a drug.... |
| 16:13.20 | Humbedooh | sure it's a drug |
| 16:13.45 | TC-Work | and does any country classify it as one though? |
| 16:14.09 | Humbedooh | well caffeine yes |
| 16:14.57 | Humbedooh | there's a limit to how much caffeine you can put in a beverage without it being a drug, 50mg/liter or some such |
| 16:15.37 | Humbedooh | or no, it was per 100ml |
| 16:15.53 | TC-Work | where? |
| 16:15.55 | Corrodias | it's always a drug |
| 16:16.14 | TC-Work | I'm not arguing that it is not a drug |
| 16:16.22 | sylvanaar_work | A drug is any chemical you take that affects the way your body works |
| 16:16.25 | nicoli_s | i had someone arguewith me drugs are only drugs if they are illegal |
| 16:16.29 | TC-Work | just that the vast majority of people do not see it that way |
| 16:16.46 | foxlit | sylvanaar_work: that's a nice and broad definition that encompasses everything |
| 16:16.52 | sylvanaar_work | yeah lol |
| 16:16.54 | foxlit | for instance: food. |
| 16:16.57 | sylvanaar_work | water |
| 16:16.58 | TC-Work | ~dict drug |
| 16:17.00 | Humbedooh | is addicted to water : |
| 16:17.03 | Corrodias | have you ever noticed that "vast majority" is never used in a positive way? |
| 16:17.07 | TC-Work | ~dict 1 drug |
| 16:17.19 | TC-Work | ok, i was not expecting that |
| 16:17.24 | sylvanaar_work | lol |
| 16:17.42 | Corrodias | man, i'm drugging all day |
| 16:17.47 | sylvanaar_work | i cant believe thats #1 |
| 16:17.54 | TC-Work | x2 |
| 16:18.17 | TC-Work | dont they go in order of which meaning came first? |
| 16:18.36 | Corrodias | which is most common, i think |
| 16:18.52 | Corrodias | grouped by part of speech. verb, noun, etc. |
| 16:18.54 | Fisker | time to see if people are dumb fucks on the diablo 3 ah |
| 16:19.10 | sylvanaar_work | i dont like the way that the ah is sorted |
| 16:19.19 | Corrodias | Fisker, there's doubt? |
| 16:19.25 | sylvanaar_work | it is like pricey items first |
| 16:19.52 | Fisker | well i'm unsure if they are THIS dumb |
| 16:20.05 | Fisker | i put on crafting materials for the lowest price i.e. 0.25€ |
| 16:20.25 | Fisker | but it's a decent amount of money when you times that times 2000 :D |
| 16:23.48 | TC-Work | so .25xx2000 |
| 16:23.50 | bluspacecow | fiskery fisker |
| 16:23.54 | bluspacecow | u rich bro ? |
| 16:24.22 | Fisker | nope bluspacecow |
| 16:24.24 | Fisker | noone biting on it yet |
| 16:24.29 | bluspacecow | oh ok |
| 16:24.33 | nilyaK | http://abcnews.go.com/Health/stressed-men-prefer-heavier-women-study/story?id=16950542 |
| 16:24.33 | nilyaK | brb making pie and finding some executives. |
| 16:24.36 | nilyaK | >_> |
| 16:24.37 | TC-Work | he is rich in friendship |
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| 16:24.59 | Fisker | but i did see that some of the materials (mostly hell/inferno mats) had actually sold for 0.25€ in the last 10 days :D |
| 16:25.17 | bluspacecow | \o/ |
| 16:26.18 | TC-Work | "For example, do men in high-stress jobs look for overweight mates, or are their standards lower?" |
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| 16:26.28 | nilyaK | I know I saw that sentence |
| 16:26.31 | nilyaK | I was like harsh. |
| 16:26.38 | Dagmar | Lower standards definitely help |
| 16:26.41 | TC-Work | yea |
| 16:26.54 | TC-Work | 'standards' are subjective |
| 16:26.54 | TC-Work | fuckers |
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| 16:27.28 | TC-Work | yes, but it is, in this case, specific to overweight people |
| 16:27.45 | TC-Work | not just 'in general' |
| 16:28.20 | Vladinator | yo! I have a nerd question ... :3 |
| 16:28.28 | nilyaK | oh god nerds *runs* |
| 16:28.31 | nilyaK | okay okay what is it? |
| 16:28.40 | TC-Work | ~lart nilyaK |
| 16:28.40 | purl | eats nilyaK and falls over dead |
| 16:28.45 | bluspacecow | NERD ALERT ! |
| 16:28.50 | bluspacecow | *runs around in circles* |
| 16:28.55 | bluspacecow | *runs into wall* |
| 16:28.57 | bluspacecow | oh noes! |
| 16:29.16 | nilyaK | formats bluspacecow with fat32 |
| 16:29.23 | bluspacecow | :O |
| 16:29.29 | nilyaK | :O |
| 16:30.08 | Vladinator | a.very.deep.table.here = {...} local t = a.very.deep.table.here |
| 16:30.49 | Vladinator | performance wise, when I do t[...] is it performance friendly as if you just had the "here = {...}" part? |
| 16:31.18 | Vladinator | alternative: |
| 16:31.20 | Vladinator | local data = {lots of data}; table.level1.level2.level3 = data; |
| 16:31.40 | bluspacecow | 2nd alternative |
| 16:31.42 | Vladinator | is "local t = data" and "local t = table.level1.level2.level3" equal |
| 16:31.44 | bluspacecow | PONIES! |
| 16:31.47 | karl_w_w | formats nilyaK with fat12 |
| 16:31.49 | Vladinator | when it comes to performance hwen doing the lookups? |
| 16:32.45 | Torhal|work | Vladinator: You're avoiding multiple table lookups when you access t |
| 16:32.45 | Vladinator | I mean t in both cases lead to data, but calling table.level1.level2.level3 would be a performance impact since we look up several tables inside tables. |
| 16:32.48 | Antze | the lines you wrote the last are not equal, but overall examples should be equal |
| 16:32.48 | foxlit | Vladinator: stop worrying about performance and go write something useful instead. |
| 16:33.17 | Antze | in simple words, "local t = data" - fast, "local t = t1.t2.t3.t4" - slow |
| 16:33.22 | TC-Work | be nice foxlit |
| 16:33.38 | karl_w_w | oxymoron |
| 16:33.38 | Antze | oh wait |
| 16:33.48 | foxlit | TC-Work: that wasn't not nice. |
| 16:33.48 | Antze | in the first example, you're going through indices twice |
| 16:33.55 | Antze | therefore it's slower |
| 16:33.56 | Vladinator | lol |
| 16:33.59 | TC-Work | foxlit: seemed like not nice to be |
| 16:34.03 | TC-Work | s/be/me/ |
| 16:34.17 | Vladinator | I'll draft a practical example, moment :3 |
| 16:34.20 | bluspacecow | maybe it was rice instead |
| 16:34.28 | Antze | dice |
| 16:34.36 | Antze | or mice... |
| 16:35.05 | nilyaK | or mouses |
| 16:35.23 | Antze | childs and mans |
| 16:35.31 | nilyaK | you start out with 3 mans... |
| 16:36.01 | nilyaK | swords Fisker. |
| 16:36.35 | Vladinator | http://pastebin.com/VpPrWz5d |
| 16:36.46 | Vladinator | OnUpdate1 versus OnUpdate2 performance wise :P |
| 16:37.04 | Antze | 1, obviously |
| 16:37.15 | Vladinator | I would guess that 1 is better and perhaps the same as referencing the data table directly, since it's a reference anyway, pointing do the memory where the table is. |
| 16:37.23 | Antze | correct |
| 16:38.21 | Vladinator | btw, foxlit was being nice, just joking with me and I get that :P |
| 16:38.41 | foxlit | just watching out for efficient use of your time :) |
| 16:38.58 | Vladinator | I dont got any motivation to code addons atm, just asking performance stuff I've wondered about :P |
| 16:39.10 | Antze | keep an eye on how often you call some code |
| 16:39.11 | Vladinator | my beta crashes each second I use any addon because of the exp assertion :P |
| 16:39.21 | Antze | it you call it once during loading something, don't care about performance |
| 16:39.35 | Antze | if you call it once per every combat log message, maybe you should care |
| 16:39.44 | Vladinator | yeah |
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| 16:39.56 | Antze | when it comes to combat log parsing, I'm evolving into a performance freak |
| 16:40.20 | Vladinator | look at this: |
| 16:40.22 | Vladinator | local el = 0 function OnUpdate(s,e) el=el+e if el>1 then e = 0 <...> end end |
| 16:40.47 | Vladinator | if I instead use "s.e" to store the "el" values, it's a table lookup so it would be worse performance wise, correct? |
| 16:41.48 | Antze | think so |
| 16:41.55 | Vladinator | I mean using "s.el=s.el+e if s.el>1 then" would be tiny bit more CPU intense |
| 16:41.59 | Antze | yes |
| 16:42.25 | Vladinator | also it's smart to do a local version of global API to improve performance, when global API is used by OnUpdate functions and such |
| 16:42.52 | Antze | actually this part is the one that I don't really get |
| 16:42.55 | Vladinator | if you have a combat log addon and you need to do bitwise stuff local bit_band = bit.band would save you some performance |
| 16:43.27 | Vladinator | when you do ClearCursor() for example the game lookups up _G to check if ClearCursor() exists, since it doesn't in your own lua code |
| 16:43.35 | Vladinator | so in itself each API call would also do a table lookup? :P |
| 16:43.38 | karl_w_w | OUTSTANDING TRANS #creditcardnumber MISCELLANEOUS DEBIT DEBIT73.98 DR <- somebody tell me what this is thanks |
| 16:43.49 | Antze | putting a variable onto the local stack versus having it in a table is better because you avoid some stuff like lua_gettable() calls, and do it in one lua_tonumber() instead |
| 16:43.56 | Antze | or lua_towhatever |
| 16:43.59 | Antze | but |
| 16:44.12 | Antze | extracting something from the globals is lua_getglobal |
| 16:44.21 | Antze | hmmm |
| 16:44.34 | Antze | correct, it's internally slower than just getting it from the stack |
| 16:44.56 | Vladinator | hurray I am finally correct on some subject |
| 16:45.14 | Antze | not sure if lua_getglobal() is equal to lua_gettable(), maybe it's a bit optimized |
| 16:45.44 | Antze | I mean, _G["x"] could be faster than local t = ...; t["x"] |
| 16:46.23 | Vladinator | perhaps, but I think we should not worry our pretty little heads with it, otherwise Torhal will hit us |
| 16:46.26 | Antze | but local t = ...; t -- is still the fastest |
| 16:46.28 | nilyaK | could just call each one 100,000 times and check with a stopwatch -.- |
| 16:47.04 | Antze | who needs it when you can look into the code of LUA :P |
| 16:47.10 | Antze | err Lua |
| 16:47.21 | karl_w_w | you nearly died there Antze |
| 16:47.37 | Vladinator | I often write LUA too because I think of it as an abbreviation |
| 16:47.48 | Vladinator | forgetting it's a name :P like PHP is an abreviation |
| 16:48.00 | Antze | I often write it because I forget to stop holding Shift |
| 16:48.21 | Vladinator | my xchat crashes often lol |
| 16:48.25 | nilyaK | I often think how nice it would be to take a nap at work right now. |
| 16:48.33 | Vladinator | I wonder why there is no proper irc client for windows, a good one :( free :p open source |
| 16:48.38 | nilyaK | when I say right now I mean anytime I am at work thinking on this topic. |
| 16:48.52 | nilyaK | proper? you mean because pidgin is so weird for irc |
| 16:49.31 | nilyaK | because if you just want to chat it seems to work fine for me |
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| 16:49.39 | Silvanas | hello |
| 16:49.39 | Vladinator | hmm |
| 16:49.47 | Cairenn | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Internet_Relay_Chat_clients |
| 16:49.52 | nilyaK | http://pidgin.im/ |
| 16:50.00 | Cairenn | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_instant_messaging_clients |
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| 16:50.48 | Vladinator | testing |
| 16:50.48 | Antze | I loathe some peculiarities of pidgin but have never seen anything better for multiple protocols |
| 16:51.08 | karl_w_w | <nilyaK> http://pidgin.im/ <- he said a good one |
| 16:51.20 | nilyaK | :( |
| 16:51.22 | pompy | nothin wrong with it bro |
| 16:51.40 | Cairenn | the only comparable multi-protocol one I've seen for windows is Trillian |
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| 16:52.06 | Vladinator | testing pidgin |
| 16:52.13 | Vladinator | is this thing on? |
| 16:52.15 | nilyaK | yes |
| 16:52.17 | pompy | nope |
| 16:52.21 | pompy | ! |
| 16:52.26 | Cairenn | fail |
| 16:52.35 | Vladinator | so if I close the window I leave the chat I figure, testing. |
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| 16:52.41 | nilyaK | yes but |
| 16:52.42 | Vladinator | back. |
| 16:52.45 | nilyaK | you can set it to not do that |
| 16:52.53 | Vladinator | aha, looking into that :3 |
| 16:52.57 | Cairenn | ^^ |
| 16:53.11 | Vladinator | "persistent" I figure |
| 16:53.13 | nilyaK | yup |
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| 16:53.46 | Cairenn | and set it to auto-join |
| 16:53.49 | Vladinator | now I need to make it so it only makes noise when my name is written :P |
| 16:54.00 | Vladinator | otherwise I can't play a game without it going crazy in the background |
| 16:54.09 | Cairenn | get the purple plugin pack, too |
| 16:54.21 | Cairenn | and I like guifications for my toaster |
| 16:54.33 | Vladinator | I prefer regular bread, thank you. |
| 16:54.42 | nilyaK | tools --> preferences --> sounds |
| 16:54.44 | Cairenn | lol |
| 16:54.45 | nilyaK | but I assume you found it |
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| 16:57.07 | Vladinator | write something :p |
| 16:57.12 | Cairenn | something |
| 16:57.31 | Vladinator | ok great, it doesnt popup when its a chat like this -superb |
| 16:57.36 | Vladinator | say my name... |
| 16:57.42 | Cairenn | my name |
| 16:57.46 | Cairenn | ;p |
| 16:57.48 | Cairenn | Vladinator: |
| 16:57.56 | Vladinator | perfect |
| 16:58.03 | Vladinator | I love pidgin, BUT it crashes sometimes on windows :P |
| 16:58.10 | Cairenn | yes |
| 16:58.12 | nilyaK | has never had that issue. |
| 16:58.18 | Vladinator | or rarely but it starts hidden so I gotta kill it in taskmanager then reboot it :P |
| 16:58.20 | Cairenn | very rarely |
| 16:58.34 | Cairenn | never had that problem |
| 16:58.45 | Vladinator | very rare :3 |
| 16:58.52 | Vladinator | sorry can't stop doing cat-faces |
| 16:59.05 | karl_w_w | you pervert |
| 16:59.49 | Vladinator | haven't played wow for a long time now. finished my bachelor degree june btw. |
| 17:00.00 | nilyaK | bloody rare even? |
| 17:00.19 | Cairenn | congrats on bachelors |
| 17:00.33 | nilyaK | calls BS. |
| 17:00.37 | bluspacecow | yeah now you can eat all the ramen you want |
| 17:00.40 | nilyaK | mmm puns... |
| 17:00.41 | bluspacecow | and stay up all night |
| 17:00.48 | bluspacecow | :3 |
| 17:01.25 | karl_w_w | cos nobody does those things while studying |
| 17:01.28 | pompy | http://gamerant.com/id-software-valve-half-life-3/ |
| 17:01.29 | pompy | :O |
| 17:01.50 | bluspacecow | opps |
| 17:01.58 | bluspacecow | wrong type of "bachelor" |
| 17:01.59 | bluspacecow | LOL |
| 17:02.08 | Vladinator | anyone want to play a game on dota2 with me? |
| 17:02.36 | pompy | Vladinator: it may crash when you have a million irc channels or pms open and you maximize the window after its been minimized. |
| 17:02.43 | pompy | thats really all i be encountering |
| 17:02.48 | pompy | I've* |
| 17:02.50 | pompy | been* |
| 17:02.51 | pompy | ! |
| 17:02.58 | Cairenn | pompy: fail |
| 17:03.00 | pompy | yes |
| 17:03.03 | pompy | i pulled a TC-Work |
| 17:03.09 | Cairenn | indeed |
| 17:03.15 | Vladinator | (btw, bluspacecow is green on my chat client :P) |
| 17:03.23 | pompy | same |
| 17:03.24 | bluspacecow | lol |
| 17:03.27 | jnwhiteh | Would anyone be interested in buying a Tyrael Hilt (the pet from WWI 2009) from me? I have two of them.. |
| 17:03.40 | bluspacecow | i'll pay you |
| 17:03.42 | bluspacecow | one dolla |
| 17:03.43 | pompy | for $1 sure! |
| 17:03.45 | pompy | ^ |
| 17:03.47 | pompy | lol :O |
| 17:03.57 | Vladinator | buying with what currency? virtual, real, objects, favors, e.g.? |
| 17:04.01 | Cairenn | you guys are cheap. I was gonna offer 5 dolla |
| 17:04.06 | jnwhiteh | Real money |
| 17:04.07 | pompy | $5.01 then |
| 17:04.09 | pompy | :P |
| 17:04.11 | jnwhiteh | I'd rather keep them in 'family' |
| 17:04.16 | TC-Work | you are not suppoed to agree with pompy, Cairenn |
| 17:04.16 | bluspacecow | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbVHbEGerRA |
| 17:04.17 | jnwhiteh | than just sell on ebay to randoms |
| 17:04.31 | pompy | jerk TC-Work |
| 17:04.46 | jnwhiteh | also have a Murky and a Murkablo |
| 17:04.49 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 17:05.09 | karl_w_w | jnwhiteh: we're cheapskates, go for ebay every time :P |
| 17:05.32 | Arrowmaster | jnwhiteh: ask ackis |
| 17:05.34 | bluspacecow | i'm on jnwhiteh nz |
| 17:05.40 | bluspacecow | shipping will be expensive |
| 17:05.49 | bluspacecow | i mean i'm in nz jnwhite :| |
| 17:06.00 | TC-Work | pompy: :( |
| 17:06.06 | pompy | Arrowmaster: im sure he already has em |
| 17:06.10 | jnwhiteh | shipping for something that fits in a tiny envelope? :P |
| 17:06.22 | bluspacecow | i dunno lol |
| 17:06.26 | karl_w_w | bluspacecow: shipping can be incredibly cheap :P |
| 17:06.38 | pompy | just scratch off the code and give it to him after you receive payment lol |
| 17:06.52 | Vladinator | ok then I queue single draft, wish me luck :P |
| 17:07.07 | pompy | "SOUTHERN MID-ATLANTIC RIDGE" .. looks like that ridge is gonna crumble soon! |
| 17:07.15 | sylvanaar_work | jnwhiteh: how much do you want for them? |
| 17:07.32 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: I have tyreal and murkablo |
| 17:07.34 | pompy | a 5.2 and a 4.9 earthquake within 2 hours |
| 17:07.48 | Arrowmaster | Ackis: but not murky? |
| 17:08.00 | Arrowmaster | who the fuck doesnt have murkablo |
| 17:08.02 | sylvanaar_work | pompy: its the fracking! |
| 17:08.04 | Ackis | nein |
| 17:08.10 | Vladinator | pompy who wants earthquakes for a tyrael pet? |
| 17:08.20 | pompy | :O |
| 17:08.20 | jnwhiteh | sylvanaar_work: probably closer to the ebay prices, which are what most people would consider exorbanant. |
| 17:08.31 | pompy | they are sold on amazon as well! |
| 17:08.53 | pompy | Arrowmaster: i still have my unredeemed one from Blizzcon 11 |
| 17:08.54 | pompy | ! |
| 17:08.57 | jnwhiteh | pompy: where? |
| 17:09.06 | Vladinator | http://www.wowtcgloot.com/tyrael_pet.htm - I like the graph, the interest drops heavily :P |
| 17:09.20 | sylvanaar_work | jnwhiteh: you mean $2000? |
| 17:09.27 | jnwhiteh | sylvanaar_work: no |
| 17:09.41 | Vladinator | a pet is not worth so much money lol |
| 17:09.46 | pompy | jnwhiteh: http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=bl_sr_toys-and-games?_encoding=UTF8&field-brandtextbin=Warcraft&node=165793011 |
| 17:09.48 | jnwhiteh | it is to some people |
| 17:09.50 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 17:09.56 | Vladinator | sadly indeed |
| 17:10.12 | jnwhiteh | pompy: except its not listed there? |
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| 17:10.26 | pompy | yeah i guess noone is selling tyrael's hilt. |
| 17:10.36 | Fisker | they jnwhiteh |
| 17:11.00 | Ackis | fyi jnwhiteh is a tease |
| 17:11.07 | Fisker | a cocktease? |
| 17:11.19 | Ackis | a pet tease |
| 17:11.21 | Humbedooh | a cockatrice? |
| 17:11.26 | Vladinator | I never got that, what does it imply when you tease hens? |
| 17:11.37 | pompy | ! |
| 17:11.46 | TC-Work | s/hens/penises/ |
| 17:11.53 | Fisker | i got a tyreal hilt too |
| 17:11.56 | Fisker | i'll buy it jnwhiteh |
| 17:11.57 | Fisker | $1 |
| 17:12.03 | jnwhiteh | npnp |
| 17:12.06 | jnwhiteh | $699 shipping |
| 17:12.09 | Fisker | oh ok |
| 17:12.13 | Fisker | what about three fiddy |
| 17:12.27 | pompy | four fiddy |
| 17:12.34 | Vladinator | oh queue popped up, afk. |
| 17:12.46 | Fisker | i got my original one basically for almost nothing |
| 17:13.02 | Fisker | i think i paid the expenses for the ticket |
| 17:13.15 | Fisker | best deal ever |
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| 17:29.58 | pompy | I know Alaska is near CA but damn, haven't realized how many earthquakes Alaska encounters. |
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| 17:31.39 | Cairenn | Ring of Fire |
| 17:31.42 | TC-Work | Near being relative it would seem.... |
| 17:31.45 | Cairenn | BC gets them too |
| 17:31.56 | TC-Work | oh...Canada.....nvm then |
| 17:32.32 | pompy | no lol sorry, it was Cali TC-Work |
| 17:33.12 | pompy | didnt scientists say in ~ 50 years the san andreas fault is gonna "crack" more? |
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| 17:39.41 | Silvanas | googles has failed on me >.< |
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| 17:41.13 | Silvanas | cand find the dahm documentation on the ... upvalue |
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| 17:46.27 | nilyaK | http://theweek.com/article/index/231749/the-teen-hospitalized-after-a-4-day-video-game-binge |
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| 17:46.54 | pompy | Silvanas: http://www.lua.org/pil/27.3.3.html ? :\ idk |
| 17:47.53 | TC-Work | ~fail pompy |
| 17:47.53 | purl | pompy, you Fail! |
| 17:48.06 | TC-Work | ... |
| 17:48.18 | TC-Work | 12 second delay? |
| 17:49.50 | Silvanas | oke i learned something new about lua today, it seems controll opvbalues like x in for x=4,5 do are always redeclared in local space, even if the varialbe already exist in the outher clausure |
| 17:50.12 | haste | was instant here TC-Work |
| 17:50.21 | TC-Work | ~ping |
| 17:50.21 | purl | ~pong |
| 17:50.46 | Silvanas | iv been specaily declaring them local for ages >.< |
| 17:50.47 | TC-Work | that was instant for me |
| 17:50.48 | TC-Work | huh |
| 17:50.56 | pompy | well, off to work i go, hav a good day err-one! |
| 17:51.23 | haste | Silvanas: this is why you research stuff and don't just do :P |
| 17:51.51 | Arrowmaster | Silvanas: additionally you cant edit the value inside the for loop |
| 17:52.32 | Arrowmaster | well you can edit it but it will have no effect on the loop |
| 17:53.03 | haste | http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#2.4.5 has a great explanation |
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| 17:56.53 | Torhal|work | lol |
| 17:56.58 | Torhal|work | All the ads on WoWI are in Spanish. |
| 17:58.03 | Ackis | has arch changed at all in MoP? e.g. it's fun |
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| 18:11.37 | kd3 | This just in! Huge buff to warlocks! Purple Gateway now transports you just as fast as Green Gateway, a 50% buff. |
| 18:11.39 | kd3 | har |
| 18:18.14 | Fisker | hey kd3 |
| 18:18.21 | Fisker | punches kd3 |
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| 18:27.01 | MentalPower | Torhal|work: not for me... |
| 18:27.26 | MentalPower | oh, there we go, chevy slverado |
| 18:28.44 | Torhal|work | MentalPower: lol |
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| 18:41.10 | johnzzon | Good evening! I've got a question that is probably easy: I'm trying to compare a variable (integer) with a fixed integer. Now, using the operator == works, but >= does not. Anyone know what I'm doing wrong? |
| 18:44.07 | haste | because logic says 5 can't be lower or equal to 6 |
| 18:44.37 | haste | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:47.33 | foxlit | johnzzon: when you say "does not [work]", do you mean that demonic imps erupt from your computer and proceed to set fire to your home, or some other failure? |
| 18:47.39 | kd3 | emails out |
| 18:47.46 | johnzzon | Somewhat similar! |
| 18:48.01 | johnzzon | It just doesn't run, seem to crash somehow |
| 18:48.07 | foxlit | and you're doing this comparison in an XML file? |
| 18:48.12 | johnzzon | Fairly new to addon development and lua in general |
| 18:48.18 | johnzzon | in a .lua file |
| 18:48.52 | foxlit | Well, there goes an awesome explanation of why >= does not work :P |
| 18:49.05 | johnzzon | Is it that simple? |
| 18:49.10 | foxlit | no, it's not. |
| 18:49.50 | foxlit | I was thinking of something slightly different which does not apply to your case. Anyhow, you should probably post the offending code to http://pastebin.com |
| 18:50.10 | foxlit | lua> if 5 >= 4 then print("The sky is still blue") end |
| 18:50.11 | lua_bot | foxlit: The sky is still blue |
| 18:54.48 | johnzzon | Right, here's the code: http://pastebin.com/fiUkL1vA |
| 18:55.55 | johnzzon | Basically trying to form a list of all members who haven't been online for 6 months or more and demote them to inactive (eventually) |
| 18:56.28 | johnzzon | If I put "months == 6" it prints everyone just fine |
| 18:56.38 | johnzzon | But as soon as I do >= it just won't run |
| 18:56.57 | foxlit | Right. Go into Interface Options > Help > check Show Lua errors |
| 18:58.26 | johnzzon | Oh, neat feature. Can't believe I've missed that one. |
| 18:59.02 | johnzzon | Ah, I understand what's wrong now |
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| 18:59.08 | foxlit | so when you reload, you get something like |
| 18:59.14 | johnzzon | Aye, got it |
| 18:59.18 | foxlit | lua> if months >= 6 then print("Sky is no longer blue") end |
| 18:59.19 | lua_bot | foxlit: luabot:1: attempt to compare number with nil |
| 18:59.47 | johnzzon | months is nil in some cases which of course interrupts the script |
| 19:01.03 | johnzzon | Ah, excellent. Got it working now! |
| 19:01.22 | johnzzon | "years, months, days, hours = years and years or 0, months and months or 0, days and days or 0, hours and hours or 0;" did the trick |
| 19:01.43 | johnzzon | Many thanks for the help! Much appreciated |
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| 19:02.10 | Cairenn | hah! http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3qc5rs/ |
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| 19:06.18 | Fisker | hey haste |
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| 19:08.34 | haste | hey Fisker |
| 19:10.13 | Fisker | wanna punch kd3 ? |
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| 19:11.09 | haste | no, he sends me mail |
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| 19:12.20 | Fisker | he already did |
| 19:13.32 | haste | but he might send me more :o |
| 19:14.13 | Fisker | well he'll recover by then |
| 19:14.57 | mckenziemc | punches Fisker in the face. |
| 19:15.00 | mckenziemc | join me haste |
| 19:16.20 | kd3 | waves goodbye to his dsl uplink |
| 19:20.38 | Fisker | what happened to it kd3 |
| 19:20.40 | Fisker | did you kill it? |
| 19:21.06 | kd3 | storming, we're probably about to lose power and/or water's going to get in the line like it does after every big storm |
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| 19:21.29 | Dagmar | Well... you wouldn't want your lines straight, now would you? |
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| 19:33.28 | Shirik | so someone help me |
| 19:33.33 | Shirik | why is today "a sad day in gaming" |
| 19:33.38 | Shirik | I have been told this but cannot figure out why |
| 19:33.51 | mckenziemc | because you asked |
| 19:34.35 | Amarande | I'm not sure, searching google for the phrase seems to indicate it was last used in June, as people's reaction to the inclusion of a real money auction house in D3 |
| 19:34.44 | Shirik | oh, rofl |
| 19:34.47 | Shirik | I figured it out |
| 19:34.52 | Shirik | no this is very esoteric |
| 19:35.06 | Shirik | friend of mine is a comic book freak, and also hates Upper Deck |
| 19:35.11 | Shirik | http://upperdeck.com/Corporate/News-And-Events/2012-04-24.aspx |
| 19:35.48 | Shirik | wait |
| 19:35.50 | Shirik | that's april 24 |
| 19:35.53 | Shirik | ok I give up |
| 19:36.34 | Shirik | ah, close enough, http://upperdeckblog.com/2012/08/gamers-assemble-upper-deck-entertainment-preparing-to-launch-a-legendary-marvel-deck-building-game/ |
| 19:38.06 | Jamash | solution: don't play card games |
| 19:40.19 | Amarande | This might be more exciting if I could even remember in general which superheroes are Marvel and which are DC :P |
| 19:40.20 | Shirik | negative! |
| 19:40.21 | Amarande | But just a little. |
| 19:40.31 | Shirik | card games are the pinnacle of gaming |
| 19:40.38 | mckenziemc | o.O |
| 19:41.05 | Shirik | have you ever had a card game crash on you? |
| 19:41.14 | Shirik | Has anyone ever hacked your card game account? |
| 19:41.26 | mckenziemc | have you ever dropped a deck of cards? |
| 19:41.41 | Shirik | but I've also dropped my xbox discs |
| 19:41.46 | Amarande | Shirik: Well, there is when your finesse goes wrong in bridge and it gets followed up by having your opponent lead your weakest suit through you and take six more tricks in a row, leaving you wondering why you wanted to bid 3NT in the first place :) |
| 19:42.07 | Shirik | I never learned how to play bridge |
| 19:42.08 | Shirik | I want to |
| 19:42.27 | Amarande | Or this one time on Yahoo. It was pretty humiliating. |
| 19:42.40 | Amarande | Basically, holding something like ... A Axx J10xx AQxxx, I opened one club, as you do with cards like that |
| 19:42.46 | Amarande | and next thing saw the opponents bid up to six diamonds |
| 19:43.02 | Amarande | to which I was totally WTFing since I have three aces and a likely diamond trick to boot (meaning they'd only be able to take nine tricks at most, or three diamonds) ... |
| 19:43.08 | Amarande | ... and somehow, none of my aces were able to win a trick :| |
| 19:43.47 | Shirik | I have no idea what you said but it sounds like you got your ass beat |
| 19:43.54 | Amarande | Yeah. I did. :| |
| 19:44.10 | Amarande | Especially since I doubled their contract, which is what you do when you expect to beat it. |
| 19:44.45 | Amarande | "Six" diamonds, mind you, is a bid to win twelve tricks, since the first six tricks you take aren't counted there. |
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| 19:46.44 | Jamash | it's called "bridge" because trying to learn it makes you want to jump off one |
| 19:47.05 | Amarande | Jamash: It's called "bridge" because if you play lousily your partner will want to shove you off one |
| 19:47.14 | Amarande | Actually, neither of those heh |
| 19:47.46 | Amarande | It's called "bridge" because, waaaaaay back in the evolution of whist-type card games, someone came up with the idea that the dealer should choose trump (as opposed to standard whist, where the trump suit is determined by turning up the final card of the deck while dealing). |
| 19:48.04 | Jamash | your words scratch the backs of my eyes |
| 19:48.13 | Amarande | The dealer, in that variant, was also given the option to give this privilege to his partner instead, which, in card game parlance of the time, was called "bridging" it. |
| 19:48.23 | Amarande | The bidding system was introduced later. |
| 19:48.55 | Amarande | Jamash: It really all began with Whist, which is about as simple as four-player partnership card games go. |
| 19:49.24 | Amarande | In Whist, you deal out all the cards the usual way and then turn up the final card for trumps, and then you play with the standard trick-taking rules (trumps win, have to follow suit if you can, etc.), and whoever gets the more tricks gets a point for each trick they took above six. |
| 19:49.55 | Jamash | why are you telling me this |
| 19:50.03 | Jamash | what did I ever do to you |
| 19:50.09 | mckenziemc | heh |
| 19:50.21 | Amarande | So, that dealer names the trump or offers it to his partner thing became known, to distinguish it, as Bridge Whist. |
| 19:50.43 | Amarande | Later on they added bidding, called it Auction Bridge, and then some years later they came up with a different scoring system, called it Contract Bridge, and hence we got the modern game. |
| 19:51.01 | Jamash | jumps off the aforementioned bridge to make the hurting stop |
| 19:51.02 | Dagmar | How else do you get a bunch of elderly grandmothers to turn tricks? |
| 19:51.10 | Jamash | ~rimshot |
| 19:51.10 | purl | badum-TISH! |
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| 20:02.17 | Torhal|work | Jamash: You're in the channel. Reason enough. |
| 20:02.53 | mckenziemc | hey Torhal|jerk |
| 20:04.35 | Torhal|work | Stop trolling mcfiskermc |
| 20:04.53 | Cairenn | Holy shit! Jamaica must be freaking the fuck out in celebration today |
| 20:05.03 | mckenziemc | umad Torhal? |
| 20:05.24 | Torhal|work | Cairenn: Damn, girl! That mouth! |
| 20:05.30 | Torhal|work | :D |
| 20:05.41 | Cairenn | :p |
| 20:06.45 | Arrowmaster | if it bad that im kinda hoping DG2 doesnt get to the minimum on kickstarter? |
| 20:06.56 | Cairenn | How else would you put it? They just went Gold, Silver AND Bronze in the men's 200m |
| 20:09.02 | mckenziemc | "Ya, mon!" |
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| 20:37.39 | kd3 | yay for redemption from last year |
| 20:37.43 | kd3 | now, wru beta servers? |
| 20:37.49 | Stanzilla | dooown |
| 20:39.27 | nebula169 | RAF for monks, booo |
| 20:41.46 | Amarande | nebula: yeah we were talking on wowhead chat about that |
| 20:42.09 | Amarande | about how it guarantees that no normal player can hope for the realm first 90 monk achievement, they will all certainly now go to people who specifically RAF a secondary account for the purpose |
| 20:42.10 | nebula169 | makes me sad, i hadn't planned on doing it, but just on principle |
| 20:43.49 | nebula169 | not sure I buy into the "no normal person" argument, considering you still need to do a bit of planning to be able to pull it off, but it does mandate buying an advantage, so to speak |
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| 20:54.03 | Dagmar | Amarande: I think it's pretty much a given that if you're making a first-to achievement, there's something wrong with you |
| 20:55.31 | sylvanaar_work | really RAF for monks? |
| 20:58.07 | sylvanaar_work | i just used mine on my second account, boo |
| 20:59.37 | Amarande | Dagmar: or you're just super lucky, perhaps. Not that it happened to me, but I can imagine a lot of people simply lucking into realm first 525 skinning with Cata, in particular |
| 21:00.03 | Amarande | Simply due to the fact that with all the insta-spawn snakes in very early Vashj'ir if you choose that route, your skinning skill shoots up like a *rocket* |
| 21:00.39 | kd3 | http://www.reddit.com/r/curiosityrover/comments/xw9gf/how_does_nasa_deal_with_packet_loss_when_it_comes/c5q4n54 |
| 21:00.52 | Amarande | Well, were insta-spawn during the first days of Cata since the kill rate was so fast |
| 21:03.39 | Amarande | Glad they're not insta-spawn NOW, my mage is super fragile in Vashj'ir :| |
| 21:03.57 | Amarande | I in fact even begin to think that you should be offered LK regular dungeons at 80 in the Dungeon Finder, NOT Cata dungeons |
| 21:08.54 | xyphoid | i kind of feel like realm first stuff loses interest when there's so much beta |
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| 21:19.41 | Dagmar | Amarande: It wasn't there . It was Setharion's Roost or whatever way in the south of that zone |
| 21:19.54 | Dagmar | I just couldn't bring myself to leave there until my bags were FULL |
| 21:20.04 | Dagmar | ...and then someone dropped a mailbox, the assholes. |
| 21:20.26 | Dagmar | People murderfying those dragonlings non-stop and just rushing to get out of the area |
| 21:37.17 | Mr_Rabies | the world map is supposed to change if you leave it open as you change zones, right? |
| 21:37.27 | kd3 | yah |
| 21:37.34 | Mr_Rabies | mine's not anymore, hrmmm |
| 21:38.32 | Mr_Rabies | so many mysteries with my UI :x |
| 21:39.36 | Arrowmaster | actually its not afaik |
| 21:40.06 | Arrowmaster | it was addons that used to make it change when you changed zones |
| 21:40.43 | Mr_Rabies | was it? |
| 21:40.50 | Mr_Rabies | it's been so long since i've really cared |
| 21:41.01 | Mr_Rabies | just spam m a few times as i change zones |
| 21:41.12 | durcyn | yeah, PLAYER_ZONE_CHANGED never updated it, hence addons forcing it so map functions would work |
| 21:41.30 | Mr_Rabies | i wonder what addon i had installed that did it |
| 21:42.47 | Fisker | Hey |
| 21:42.53 | Fisker | Kd3 |
| 21:43.06 | kd3 | yah? |
| 21:43.14 | Fisker | Just heying |
| 21:43.21 | kd3 | 'lo |
| 21:43.22 | Fisker | From bed |
| 21:49.38 | mckenziemc | go to sleep Fisker |
| 21:49.48 | Fisker | K |
| 21:50.10 | mckenziemc | L |
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| 22:27.14 | Stanzilla | This week, our security team found an unauthorized and illegal access into our internal network here at Blizzard. We quickly took steps to close off this access and began working with law enforcement and security experts to investigate what happened. |
| 22:27.21 | Stanzilla | always knew they would get them some time |
| 22:27.53 | nicoli_s | scary |
| 22:28.17 | Amarande | Stan: do they know if there was any information theft? |
| 22:28.25 | Torhal|work | nicoli_s: Why? :) |
| 22:28.45 | Stanzilla | Amarande: http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/2879-Important-Security-Update |
| 22:28.47 | Stanzilla | (yes) |
| 22:32.41 | Cairenn | http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/securityupdate.html |
| 22:33.01 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Cairenn -> http://pastebin.com || 4.3.x ToC: 40300 || #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting || MoP Beta UI/API Changes forum: http://bit.ly/GMjEVC. Feel free to post what you find! || Battletags: http://goo.gl/2bm7n || MoP Release Date 25 Sept 2012 || Blizzard Hacked: http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/securityupdate.html |
| 22:33.29 | Stanzilla | that's the same text Cairenn :D |
| 22:33.43 | Cairenn | Yes, but it's the original, instead of from a hack site |
| 22:33.53 | Stanzilla | lol what |
| 22:35.47 | Ackis | Cairenn: I copied your text over to wowace because I'm unoriginal :) |
| 22:35.48 | Stanzilla | mmo-c != mmowned |
| 22:36.03 | Cairenn | Ackis: okay |
| 22:36.29 | durcyn | so they pulled hashes, do we know if authenticator serials were included? |
| 22:36.46 | Arrowmaster | it says they were |
| 22:37.04 | durcyn | just says "information relating to" |
| 22:37.26 | Arrowmaster | it says they will have mobile auth users change theirs in the near future |
| 22:37.45 | Arrowmaster | how secure is SRP |
| 22:37.51 | Arrowmaster | ive never heard of it before |
| 22:38.07 | foxlit | |=========| this secure. |
| 22:38.35 | Arrowmaster | how many bruteforce attempts per second on a gpu is it? |
| 22:39.10 | foxlit | it's a protocol, not a hash. |
| 22:40.30 | Stanzilla | Cairenn: why do you think it's a hack site? |
| 22:42.42 | Ketho | hope it won't delay mop or anything |
| 22:43.22 | Kalroth | nothing will delay mop, Bobby needs a new ferrari |
| 22:43.34 | Ackis | I hope MoP is delayed another year! |
| 22:44.11 | Stanzilla | same |
| 22:44.15 | durcyn | as long as 5.0 drops, they can keep the panda shit |
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| 22:44.46 | foxlit | er, another 12 months of no content (even with shiny talents) will kill the game. |
| 22:45.16 | nebula169 | they'll put in a dragon fight! still got unused portal space under wymrest |
| 22:46.55 | nebula169 | does reinstalling the mobile app generate a new serial? |
| 22:47.12 | foxlit | you don't even need to reinstall it. |
| 22:47.33 | nebula169 | i didn't see a way to change it |
| 22:48.16 | durcyn | remove it and re-add it to generate a new serial |
| 22:48.28 | durcyn | on the site, rather |
| 22:48.45 | nebula169 | oh hey, giant button i missed |
| 22:49.08 | nebula169 | NEED A NEW SERIAL NUMBER? under about |
| 22:49.28 | Stanzilla | http://us.battle.net/support/en/article/important-security-update-faq |
| 22:51.15 | foxlit | I like the non-answer to "How did this happen?" |
| 22:54.51 | xyphoid | cool the faq link doesn't work for southeastasia people |
| 22:56.52 | Amarande | ah, so mobile users should remove and readd their authenticator? |
| 22:58.43 | Primer | Arrowmaster: heh, that's the first thing I did...look up SRP on wikipedia |
| 22:58.58 | Primer | it's been around for a while. Surprised I've never heard of it either |
| 22:59.02 | Arrowmaster | yeah i did that and it didnt tell me anything |
| 22:59.09 | xyphoid | hah. i have the wiki page on srp open too |
| 22:59.10 | Primer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Remote_Password_protocol ? |
| 22:59.49 | Arrowmaster | looks like another 'framework' and not a ridged spec so it does nothing to say how secure it really is |
| 23:00.21 | foxlit | teehee, a spec with ridges. |
| 23:00.44 | Arrowmaster | the example says SHA-256 but for all we know they could have been using ROT13 |
| 23:01.00 | Primer | or worse, rot26! |
| 23:01.05 | Primer | runs |
| 23:01.24 | foxlit | You're right that simply saying "we used SRP!" doesn't actually tell you squat |
| 23:01.34 | Arrowmaster | well it does say hash though, whats the worse hash out there? is CRC32 considered a hash? |
| 23:01.37 | foxlit | However, you're wrong in attributing significant importance to the choice of hash function. |
| 23:01.59 | Amarande | however, of particular note is that any attempt to brute force things is going to end badly for any hacker :P |
| 23:02.18 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: why do you say that? |
| 23:02.28 | Amarande | Well let's see. SRP requires them to actually query the server for each attempt - they cannot do it by simply taking a rainbow table, the list of whatever data they got, and running it through their GPU. |
| 23:02.53 | Amarande | Moreover, SRP means they can only get ONE person at a time, and if they keep mass attempting to get in, chances are they won't even get one before they're detected, traced, and given a Club Fed vacation. |
| 23:03.56 | Arrowmaster | that might not be true, they could have stolen enough info about the server side stuff to do it all on their own |
| 23:04.49 | Amarande | I would suspect that in general the secret question compromise is usually the one of most concern in cases like this, actually, so long as financial info or actual passwords were not compromised :S |
| 23:05.09 | Arrowmaster | secret questions arent secure at all |
| 23:05.19 | Amarande | mostly because of how many sites don't allow you to opt out of a secret question (thus ensuring you're vulnerable to a question-guessing attack) |
| 23:05.30 | Amarande | and how most sites also tend to provide a very limited choice of secret questions |
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| 23:05.37 | foxlit | Arrowmaster: anyway, the point is that you don't store the salted password hash in SRP. |
| 23:05.40 | mckenziemc | well |
| 23:05.45 | Amarande | heh. here's an interesting one. despite the whole Apple hacking thing that was mentioned the other day? |
| 23:05.51 | mckenziemc | nothing requires you to give a real answer to the questions |
| 23:05.57 | Amarande | Apple is oddly enough one of the few places I've seen that lets you entirely pick the secret question |
| 23:06.09 | Amarande | Most sites require you to choose one from a list of canned questions and don't let you enter one of your own |
| 23:07.00 | xyphoid | i was forced to choose from canned secret questions for my apple account, hmm |
| 23:07.03 | Amarande | To make it worse, some require you to choose multiples from that short list of canned questions and provide answers for all of them |
| 23:07.05 | Arrowmaster | mothers maiden name is probably one of the stupidest secret questions anymore |
| 23:07.15 | xyphoid | they were awful ones too - maybe i missed a button |
| 23:07.20 | Amarande | xyphoid: I seem to recall the last time I changed it I got to pick it |
| 23:07.29 | Amarande | Arrow: indeed |
| 23:07.34 | Amarande | however, the other questions are usually no better |
| 23:07.43 | mckenziemc | you seem to be off on a lot of things |
| 23:07.45 | Amarande | unless you're a total hermit who never talks about oneself except to absolutely trusted friends |
| 23:07.51 | durcyn | Arrowmaster: did they at least move off of CRYPT yet? the case-insensitivity and 8-character truncation were kind of obvious |
| 23:08.13 | Arrowmaster | those are still there |
| 23:08.33 | xyphoid | it was a nice mix of 'everyone on my facebook can find this out' and 'as if i can remember this' |
| 23:08.48 | xyphoid | first album purchased? |
| 23:09.03 | xyphoid | teacher's name in first grade? |
| 23:09.11 | Arrowmaster | dont know, dont know |
| 23:09.16 | Amarande | xyph: indeed. I don't know what they expect with some of those questions, that people don't talk about themselves when they socialise? |
| 23:09.58 | Arrowmaster | one of the secret questions on my bank login is favorite sport, can any of you guys guess what the answer is |
| 23:10.26 | Arrowmaster | oh and the bank forces you to answer a secret question on every login |
| 23:14.27 | Primer | Football? |
| 23:14.40 | Primer | not talking about the one with the egg shaped "ball" |
| 23:14.55 | mckenziemc | oh you mean soccer |
| 23:15.10 | foxlit | joke's on you, it's clearly Archery. |
| 23:15.18 | mckenziemc | D: |
| 23:16.02 | Vladinator | http://stewd.io/pong/ :D |
| 23:17.09 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Better to not answer questions about "favorites" with things that would eventually be discernible from your social networking pages |
| 23:17.17 | Dagmar | Better to just _make up_ a person |
| 23:17.29 | Vladinator | Dagmar: what is the convo about here? |
| 23:17.52 | mckenziemc | Favorite Book: Dagmar's Autobiography. |
| 23:18.12 | Dagmar | You only have to scroll up like, eight lines to see |
| 23:18.37 | Dagmar | For favorite sport, I prefer answers like "killing" and "masturbation" |
| 23:18.46 | Dagmar | ...or just plain "murder" |
| 23:19.09 | Dagmar | Most of the "secret questions" out there are crap |
| 23:20.19 | Dagmar | mckenziemC: Only after I'm long dead |
| 23:20.35 | Amarande | Heh, at the rate things are going, we're going to end up having to go back to the olden days where for some places you had to own a FAX machine and have a landline phone in order to be able to FAX a copy of government-issued ID to the business you were dealing with to authenticate in case of a forgotten password, aren't we :P |
| 23:21.11 | Dagmar | I'd prefer notarized statements and registered letters |
| 23:21.17 | mckenziemc | ^ |
| 23:22.41 | Dagmar | The resolution on a fax machine is such that any measure involving that is basically, bullshit |
| 23:23.12 | Amarande | Besides, a decreasing number of folks have traditional landline phones. |
| 23:23.23 | Dagmar | You can literally cut and paste stuff from a copier that can zoom and reduce |
| 23:23.37 | Dagmar | You dont' even *need* Photoshop to forge stuff |
| 23:24.47 | Dagmar | You also don't need a landline to fax stuff |
| 23:24.54 | kd3 | oh, wow. so blizz got cracked |
| 23:25.00 | Dagmar | ORLY? |
| 23:25.12 | Vladinator | (feels like an episode of the twilight zone) |
| 23:25.14 | kd3 | http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/securityupdate.html |
| 23:25.30 | Amarande | kd3: yup. it's still up in the air as to how significant the risk is to anyone |
| 23:26.06 | Amarande | whether it's "you are likely to have your password guessed now" or "they're not really any more likely to guess your password than they are if they started picking random combinations of letters" |
| 23:26.22 | Dagmar | Sounds like they're on the ball |
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| 23:27.47 | Adys | kd3: quite professional |
| 23:27.51 | Amarande | and, on balance, simply existing is inherently risky. I'm not entirely sure how much this increases things from "background risk". heh |
| 23:28.13 | Adys | Amarande: highest risk would be the security question |
| 23:28.46 | Adys | good password storage means cracking passwords is neither efficient nor smart |
| 23:29.01 | Adys | but the security questions |
| 23:29.05 | Adys | god damn why do these things exist |
| 23:30.36 | Dagmar | As a fallback |
| 23:31.07 | kd3 | ugh the blizz password change form doesn't like copy/paste |
| 23:31.13 | kd3 | makes keepass autotype instead |
| 23:31.22 | Amarande | Granted, GOOD password practise would be, if you're going to use a security question, to require it as an additional thing to "send reset token to my email" |
| 23:31.25 | foxlit | SHA-1 with a 256-bit salt. |
| 23:31.41 | Amarande | however, plenty of sites allow it as a *substitute* to having the reset token go to your email address. |
| 23:32.40 | Amarande | Indeed, you could argue that security question *and* email token is, if not fully two-factor authentication, at least a cut above one-factor authentication. |
| 23:33.22 | Dagmar | I'm astonished this is on neither Slashdot nor yCombinator yet |
| 23:33.36 | mckenziemc | it's not at all two-factor authentication |
| 23:33.50 | mckenziemc | something you know and something you know, in the majority of cases |
| 23:33.59 | Vladinator | I am astonished that blizz login is case insensitive :P |
| 23:34.09 | mckenziemc | ^ |
| 23:34.09 | Amarande | On the surface it seems to be: Something you know (your answer) and something you have (access to your email account), however, given that your email account is generally secured also by something you know, there's the fallacy. |
| 23:34.17 | Dagmar | I'm not. |
| 23:34.23 | Dagmar | People are freakin' stupid about capslock |
| 23:34.33 | Amarande | I wonder if eventually we're going to need a combination of a password and some form of biometrics. |
| 23:35.02 | Amarande | Except that itself has an issue, mainly in the fact that the biometric info also has to be transmitted over the net in some shape or form, but without devolving itself into "something you know" territory due to the need to digitise it into a reasonably transmissible signature. |
| 23:35.04 | Dagmar | I'm sure EA will be ready to help us there |
| 23:35.20 | Dagmar | You need a trusted hardware platform for tat |
| 23:35.22 | xyphoid | biometrics is awful |
| 23:35.28 | Amarande | Yeah, it makes one wonder |
| 23:35.36 | xyphoid | 'something you are' can't be changed when you lose it |
| 23:35.39 | mckenziemc | no, it doesn't |
| 23:35.45 | kd3 | hokay, bnet account pass changed |
| 23:35.48 | Amarande | If, particularly, we're going to be forced to go to TC despite all the negatives about it |
| 23:35.51 | kd3 | has dropbox rolled out its two-factor auth yet? |
| 23:35.54 | Dagmar | They'll probably partner with Microsoft to produce a rectal topographical scanner for use with Windows 9. |
| 23:36.00 | Vladinator | next thing is a chip in your skin and a gps fix on your location at all times and we are safe! |
| 23:36.08 | Torhal | ... |
| 23:36.11 | Dagmar | Can't use retina scanning because some people are blind |
| 23:36.21 | mckenziemc | what |
| 23:36.23 | Dagmar | Can use fingerprints because some people are missing fingers or hands. |
| 23:36.29 | Dagmar | er can't use fingerprints |
| 23:36.41 | Dagmar | ...but absolultely _everyone_ has an asshole |
| 23:37.19 | Dagmar | It's going to be EA or Ubisoft. One of them for sure. |
| 23:37.22 | Vladinator | everyone got an mouth too, it's at least less freaky than using your ass to login :P |
| 23:37.41 | Dagmar | Oh this will be just mounted in your desk chair so it's not a problem |
| 23:38.05 | Dagmar | You'll just position yourself over the six inch plastic spike-sensor, and then simply sit down to authenticate |
| 23:38.20 | mckenziemc | do you have experience with the prototype? |
| 23:38.23 | Vladinator | I am curious to how they got breached now and not 10 years ago when the security was even less safe :P |
| 23:38.29 | Dagmar | I drew up product brochures for this |
| 23:39.02 | Dagmar | Schlaumberger was not amused |
| 23:39.08 | Vladinator | foxlit couldn't bare the assthenticator idea so he left |
| 23:39.54 | Dagmar | Oooh that's good |
| 23:40.00 | Amarande | password changed |
| 23:40.01 | Dagmar | Biometric assthentication |
| 23:40.27 | Amarande | Dagmar: actually I'm pretty sure you don't need to be able to see in order to have your retina scanned |
| 23:40.31 | Dagmar | Hmm... That doesn't have the same ring to it tho |
| 23:40.46 | Dagmar | Definitel better than the name "Ass-Scan 2000" that we put on the brochure |
| 23:40.48 | Amarande | a non-functional retina still contains unique identifying information |
| 23:41.22 | Dagmar | Amarande: I know at least one person who is blind and has no eyes at all |
| 23:41.43 | Dagmar | He lived in the house across the street from me when I was growing up |
| 23:42.13 | mckenziemc | well that's different |
| 23:42.39 | Amarande | DNA might perhaps be viable, then, though the trouble with DNA collection is that health and safety concerns become a barrier |
| 23:42.55 | Dagmar | Umm... Heh |
| 23:43.05 | Dagmar | It's also a slightly non-trivial operation |
| 23:43.20 | Vladinator | What would a person without eyes use a login for on a computer in the first place? If you are that handicapped I am sure you would have more hardware around you to help you do things online like banking and such, probably to avoid too much reading and typing, or listening. :P |
| 23:43.23 | Dagmar | You could use that as a crypto key it's so much data |
| 23:43.24 | Amarande | Well, the main thing that occurred to me is that DNA tends to be gathered from blood, and nobody wants to be known as the game company that gave someone AIDS due to a contaminated biometric authenticator :P |
| 23:43.37 | xyphoid | hurr hurr, i gave that computer a dna sample |
| 23:43.40 | xyphoid | if you know what i mean |
| 23:43.49 | mckenziemc | >.> |
| 23:43.52 | Vladinator | too bad you gotta do it once more, you used the wrong port |
| 23:44.02 | Dagmar | GOod lord whatever happened to a swab of the epithelial cells? |
| 23:44.19 | xyphoid | hurr, i gave that computer a swab of the epithelial cells, if you know what i mean |
| 23:44.36 | Amarande | There's also the matter of actually being sure that you're providing your sample, and not a stolen one. |
| 23:44.42 | Dagmar | GOod luck typing your password in on the sticky keys |
| 23:45.00 | Amarande | All you'd have to do would be eat at a party thrown by someone intent on yoinking your info, and they'd have it there on your eating utensils. |
| 23:45.13 | mckenziemc | well xyphoid |
| 23:45.22 | mckenziemc | you know what's colored by epithelial cells? |
| 23:45.32 | mckenziemc | it works both ways |
| 23:45.50 | Torhal | Dagmar: It's on yCombinator as of 50 minutes ago. |
| 23:46.01 | Amarande | And, once again, there's the issue of "how do we establish a secure data path to ensure that the biometric info is REALLY biometric info provided at the time" |
| 23:46.07 | Amarande | otherwise, really, it becomes just another password |
| 23:46.17 | Amarande | a much more complex password, of course, but just another password, and moreover, one that cannot be changed |
| 23:46.40 | mckenziemc | ~amarande |
| 23:46.40 | purl | ACTION wonders what the next Random Obscure Contingency of the Day will be. |
| 23:46.42 | Dagmar | That trusted hardware thing again |
| 23:46.45 | Vladinator | Reality check; change your password and other sites that use same password and be over with, get authenticator if you want that extra layer. Those assthenticators, biometric penetrators and other such devices must wait at least to the year 2100 when I am surely dead so I dont have to spread my cheeks to withdraw my paycheck from the bank. |
| 23:46.49 | xyphoid | and i'm not using a password mechanism in which someone might be incentivised to CUT MY EYES OUT |
| 23:46.49 | Amarande | Dagmar: which itself has its issues, though |
| 23:47.02 | Amarande | viz. all the various notes from the Open Source community about the drawbacks of Trusted Computing |
| 23:47.05 | xyphoid | weakness to rubber-hose cryptography is a feature |
| 23:47.05 | kd3 | huh, dropbox still hasn't rolled out two-factor auth yet |
| 23:47.14 | Dagmar | Xyphoid: THANKFULLY all those things now look for a pulse |
| 23:47.25 | Dagmar | You can't just pop a thumb in the microwave for 20 seconds |
| 23:47.43 | Dagmar | Side note: This is really fucking annoying in deep winter |
| 23:48.14 | Dagmar | I actually had to start wearing gloves to work |
| 23:48.14 | Amarande | Dagmar: aw, so we won't actually be able to use a RAM retinal lockpick in the 25th century like they had in the Buck Rogers RPG way back when? :) |
| 23:48.34 | Amarande | Except, one starts to wonder if we're going to be forcibly shoved to Trusted Computing eventually due to all these hack attacks and the fact that increasingly few authentication methods prove secure |
| 23:48.53 | Dagmar | I don't see that happening |
| 23:49.17 | Amarande | And thus probably to "Sorry buds, my PC died. Going to have to sit out (event) for a couple weeks till I can mail in a notarised letter to prove I'm me on the new hardware signature ..." |
| 23:49.19 | Dagmar | It's more likely people will be using a tamper-proof perhipheral for that |
| 23:49.26 | Stanzilla | Debian drops GNOME, chooses Xfce as default desktop |
| 23:49.27 | Stanzilla | lolz |
| 23:49.38 | Dagmar | Smart cards are already capable of that (but not the cheap ones that are just small storage) |
| 23:49.40 | Amarande | Stan: because GNOME 3 stinks |
| 23:50.01 | Amarande | Dagmar: Moreover, MITM attacks, router compromises etc. are a problem |
| 23:50.02 | Dagmar | Stanzilla: I don't think *anyone* found that suprising, except maybe Lennart |
| 23:50.14 | Dagmar | Amarande: Certificates. |
| 23:50.33 | Amarande | (actually, a compromised router would be a type of MITM attack wouldn't it) |
| 23:50.40 | Dagmar | Yep |
| 23:50.55 | Vladinator | I am lost :( |
| 23:51.06 | Dagmar | If you can deal with DD-WRT you can do certficate-based authentication of your wireless router already |
| 23:51.21 | Amarande | Vladinator: we're thinking about how things could be *really* secured against the best efforts of LulzSec and friends |
| 23:51.29 | Amarande | (has the offending group been identified yet?) |
| 23:51.44 | Dagmar | My money's on Guangdong |
| 23:51.52 | Vladinator | just don't keep data on the server that can be reverse engineered at any time to identitfy the user :D |
| 23:51.55 | Stanzilla | "GNOME has become too big to fit on the next Debian CD. " |
| 23:51.56 | Stanzilla | CD |
| 23:51.57 | Stanzilla | okay |
| 23:51.58 | kd3 | if it isn't some goldseller I'm going to be shocked |
| 23:52.07 | Dagmar | Stanzilla: Pretty sure they were being polite |
| 23:52.22 | Dagmar | It wouldn't be very sporting to say "We can't f**king stand Unity" |
| 23:52.47 | Amarande | Dagmar: China? On the one hand that sounds like a reasonable suspicion, on the other hand it would be odd for the attack to come from China and specifically *not* get info from Chinese battle.net |
| 23:53.02 | Vladinator | no but really we gotta know how they got in to discuss this because it can be anything, even insider, maybe the issue was someone inside stole the data and that the authentication from the outside was secure, e.g. |
| 23:53.13 | Dagmar | Amarande: Dude the rules they play by are "steal from everyone outside China" |
| 23:53.30 | kd3 | ^ |
| 23:53.44 | Amarande | now here's the most annoying thing, I'm not even sure what my battle.net secret question is |
| 23:53.54 | Amarande | I'm not even sure if I *have* a secret question on battle.net, but I'm guessing everyone does |
| 23:54.06 | Dagmar | It was probably spearfishing of credentials |
| 23:55.34 | Vladinator | I wrote my own authenticator app for my android so I can keep all my authenticators for battle.net (us and eu) on one device - talk about a security risk lol |
| 23:56.58 | Primer | talk about security risk...I have NO authenticator! |
| 23:57.21 | Primer | Nor do any of my windows machines run any AV |
| 23:57.21 | Dagmar | Mine's J.B.Weld-ed to my desk |
| 23:57.28 | Vladinator | oh noes! well, it's a probability thing. if you are like me and use your email on more places than battle.net chances are crawlers got it so what is left is to brute force the pass |
| 23:57.42 | Vladinator | at least make sure it's complex like m&l#GjQ or something |
| 23:57.56 | Gnarfoz | length trumps complexity. |
| 23:57.58 | Primer | yes, my email is well known to hackers, as I get scam emails all the time (at least that's what the spamd logs show) |
| 23:57.59 | Vladinator | so dictionary attacks at least fail, other than that you do your part |
| 23:58.06 | Vladinator | yes ofc |
| 23:58.07 | Dagmar | Gnarfox: Damn skippy |
| 23:58.10 | wereHamster | Gnarfoz: complexity + length trumps length |
| 23:58.22 | Gnarfoz | wereHamster: true |
| 23:58.23 | Primer | http://xkcd.com/936/ <-- I use that |
| 23:58.35 | Vladinator | not sure if its a unix thing but on my university one has to write the pass exactly 8 in length |
| 23:58.39 | Gnarfoz | however insane Gibson might be, his haystack thingy is actually neat |
| 23:58.48 | Vladinator | and it works to login on linux and windows, not sure why it must be 8 |
| 23:58.51 | Arrowmaster | Stanzilla: debian didnt drop gnome, its just nolong the default |
| 23:59.07 | Primer | Vladinator: sounds like DES |
| 23:59.15 | Stanzilla | Arrowmaster: neowin headline, go figure |
| 23:59.41 | Arrowmaster | yeah debian is rather unique from other distros in that it supports 4 differnet DEs at the same time |
| 23:59.43 | Vladinator | also gotta contain minimum one lower case, upper case, digit, special characters |
| 23:59.47 | Gnarfoz | DES would just truncate, that wouldn't result in a *requirement* for it to be 8 |
