| 00:00.46 | TC-Work | That i am not sure i am allowed to talk about. |
| 00:00.58 | Iriel | Were you even allowed to tell us youw ere playing it? |
| 00:01.05 | TC-Work | Yes |
| 00:01.10 | Iriel | Or do you have to commit ritual suicide ? |
| 00:01.24 | TC-Work | Maybe, but only after i am done playing it |
| 00:01.43 | Iriel | Let us kow how it is first 8-) |
| 00:01.57 | Iriel | I have it preordered already (twice) so it's not like you'll be influencing me |
| 00:02.11 | TC-Work | That i also cant do since that could change.....damit Iriel, let me finish |
| 00:02.22 | Arrowmaster | i dont have it preordered yet since they ran out of the loot box edition so fast |
| 00:02.29 | TC-Work | steam has it |
| 00:02.37 | TC-Work | if thats the basic one |
| 00:02.53 | Arrowmaster | ultimate loot box is the $150 one |
| 00:03.01 | TC-Work | then no |
| 00:03.12 | TC-Work | how could i forget you are a CE whore |
| 00:03.23 | Arrowmaster | parnic needs to hook me up |
| 00:03.46 | Arrowmaster | remind him if you see him |
| 00:05.45 | TC-Work | Alas he was not one of the gearbox guys that stopped by |
| 00:06.01 | TC-Work | but i have been bugging him about stuff |
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| 00:06.59 | Arrowmaster | on irc or elsewhere, hes not responded to me on irc in a long time |
| 00:08.52 | TC-Work | It took fisker to bug him, and then he started talking to me |
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| 00:09.15 | TC-Work | possibly because i was not asking him about borderlands in the same way most people are |
| 00:09.35 | Arrowmaster | i just want to pay for a copy of the ultimate loot box edition |
| 00:13.51 | foxlit | ... |
| 00:13.57 | foxlit | wowmodelviewer continues to amaze me :( |
| 00:14.45 | Ackis | poor parnic |
| 00:14.59 | Ackis | he promised I'd get a cameo in borderlands 13 though :D |
| 00:15.15 | Ackis | and I'm not getting borderlands 2 :'( |
| 00:16.55 | TC-Work | A cameo? so someone that dies in the first 10 seconds of the game? |
| 00:17.10 | Ackis | it's a bad joke he and I made :( |
| 00:17.16 | TC-Work | very bad |
| 00:17.30 | Amarande | No, TC. A cameo, as in a creme-filled oval-shaped cookie from Nabisco |
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| 00:28.06 | Ackis | ffffffffuuuuuuuuu |
| 00:28.49 | TC-Work | not my fault bad jokes are bad |
| 00:34.06 | Ackis | my interwebs sucks |
| 00:34.43 | TC-Work | Play single player games? |
| 00:39.03 | Ackis | I'm supposed to do a sinestra in 20 minutes but keep getting DCed :'( |
| 00:39.49 | Ackis | I have 100 mbit internets but can't use them |
| 00:54.03 | Primer | I blame TCP |
| 01:00.13 | foxlit | /msg g0urra :/ |
| 01:00.20 | foxlit | :*/ |
| 01:00.38 | TC-Work | ~fail foxlit |
| 01:00.38 | purl | foxlit: FAIL! |
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| 01:21.27 | Ackis | Cairenn: did you hear about the 12 year old girl who drowned in BC? |
| 01:21.34 | Cairenn | no |
| 01:21.52 | Cairenn | Please tell me it isn't another of your relatives |
| 01:22.02 | Ackis | no... but it happened in the same spot |
| 01:22.07 | Cairenn | :( |
| 01:22.22 | Ackis | tomorrow is the 1 year anniversary |
| 01:22.29 | Cairenn | :((( |
| 01:22.31 | Cairenn | *hug* |
| 01:22.54 | Ackis | ty |
| 01:23.20 | Ackis | http://i.imgur.com/8o46m.png |
| 01:28.46 | mckenziemc | :( |
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| 02:01.00 | Amarande | bloody ashes. |
| 02:01.14 | Amarande | now I'm going to have to delete all my saved variables for QG and redo all the settings. |
| 02:01.58 | Amarande | WoW crashed, and all the quests I'd picked up that session came untracked due to the silly "we don't actually save any variables till you log or reloadui" policy :P |
| 02:02.12 | Amarande | (Why does it not save variables until you log or reload the UI, btw? That seems a little weird.) |
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| 02:07.50 | Dagmar | "Damnit, sorry guys... I tried to taunt but my client decided to save variables." |
| 02:08.10 | Kaylin | aka logged out? |
| 02:08.34 | Amarande | Dagmar: I mean, you'd think that it would be perfectly fine to just write saved variables as the particular Lua desires to save them |
| 02:08.47 | Amarande | how many system resources could it take to update the saved variables files on the fly, anyway? :) |
| 02:09.55 | Amarande | Meanwhile, the present way of doing things causes lovely things like a WoW crash leaving an addon's variables screwed up so you have to delete them all and set up that part of the UI all over again |
| 02:10.08 | Amarande | In this case, I apparently became no longer able to track quests |
| 02:10.42 | Dagmar | So, this crashing-during-exit thing has happened to you often? |
| 02:11.00 | Dagmar | ...and in exchange you'd like lua to have the ability to incur disk writes at will... |
| 02:11.16 | Amarande | How much of a disk write does the typical addon do, though :) |
| 02:11.29 | Amarande | unless it's something like auctioneer, and that's only when you're actually at the AH scanning stuff, and not in the middle of a combat zone |
| 02:11.32 | Dagmar | Not a lot, but it's kinda pointless. |
| 02:11.54 | Dagmar | Honestly, dumping the state of variables through a marshaller isn't that complex of an operation |
| 02:12.11 | Dagmar | It's not the sort of thing one should _need_ to worry about |
| 02:12.21 | Amarande | Actually, crashing at ANY time causes all your variables from the session to be lost, because it won't save them unless you actually log off. |
| 02:12.41 | Amarande | In fact, I'm pretty sure that even so much as choosing "Exit Now" from the "exit game" menu when not in a resting area will cause you to exit *without* saving variables |
| 02:13.06 | mckenziemc | orly |
| 02:13.29 | Amarande | Yeah, any exit that's not a proper Logout will do it, unless you take the time to console reloadui first |
| 02:13.50 | Amarande | hm |
| 02:13.54 | Amarande | disabled QG, and I still can't track quests |
| 02:13.56 | Dagmar | Yeah but they should still be on disk in a sane state |
| 02:14.08 | Dagmar | I've only had the client crash during logout once, ever |
| 02:15.35 | Amarande | actually, it wasn't crash during logout in this case, it was a hang during actual play |
| 02:15.40 | Amarande | but that wipes your variables for the session, too |
| 02:16.22 | Amarande | hrm. |
| 02:16.35 | Amarande | actually it wasn't even questguru, it's apparently Quest Completist that interferes with being able to manually track quests |
| 02:16.37 | Amarande | that's a strange bug |
| 02:22.28 | Ackis | I mowed my back yard and all I have to show for it are 30 mosquito bites |
| 02:22.57 | Stanzilla | ~amarande Ackis |
| 02:22.58 | purl | ACTION wraps Ackis in a straitjacket and locks them in a room with Amarande. |
| 02:23.16 | Ackis | that's better than smackis |
| 02:23.49 | Stanzilla | ~smackis |
| 02:23.49 | purl | ACTION smacks Ackis. |
| 02:24.08 | Ackis | :P |
| 02:27.36 | Ackis | this is mesmerizing http://i.imgur.com/la0eW.gif |
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| 02:35.59 | mckenziemc | ok ackis that's just creepy |
| 02:37.59 | Stanzilla | uh nice, lfr is working in beta nowz |
| 02:41.08 | mckenziemc | ugh do i need to break it again? |
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| 03:08.29 | arton | flips Ackis the tweeety bird. |
| 03:25.48 | mckenziemc | announces it on Twitter. |
| 03:26.01 | bluspacecow | *retwitts it* |
| 03:26.20 | bluspacecow | kk work tiems |
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| 03:40.19 | Cairenn | http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/527185_10151327646367576_2119425374_n.jpg |
| 03:42.19 | karl_w_w | hohoho |
| 03:52.24 | Ackis | ejp |
| 03:54.38 | Stanzilla | heeeey Ackis |
| 03:55.28 | Ackis | hi |
| 04:14.37 | Stanzilla | Ackis: I saw your face |
| 04:14.41 | Stanzilla | in a crowded place |
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| 04:56.50 | Esamynn | Ama|ZzzZz: you're wrong actually, even a forced logout in a non resting area, or an alt-F4 will save your variables. The reason behind it is to prevent addons from gaining real time I/O |
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| 05:21.18 | arton | "After 100 years from now Facebook will have 500 million accounts of dead people." - Unknown |
| 05:21.45 | arton | And some duplicates. |
| 05:23.43 | Kaylin | DOOP |
| 05:25.03 | arton | Someday dead people will be collectible! Hell has no evil. |
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| 07:10.52 | ZorbaTHut | I am quite curious what's going to happen to available namespaces on popular products |
| 07:12.10 | Mr_Rabies | same thing that happened last time: another name added on |
| 07:12.38 | Mr_Rabies | so you'll be Zorba T. Coolest Hut |
| 07:15.53 | ZorbaTHut | it's true, I am pretty cool |
| 07:19.37 | Cairenn | lol |
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| 07:52.25 | Cairenn | Night all |
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| 09:11.56 | Sintacks | http://puu.sh/OvhS |
| 09:22.09 | karl_w_w | why so much 5? |
| 09:22.55 | Humbedooh | 5 must be the jump key |
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| 09:36.20 | mikma | backstab backstab backstab |
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| 11:20.41 | Ackis | is 5 am too early to have a drink? |
| 11:23.08 | nevcairiel | that depends if you have been drinking all night! |
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| 11:51.44 | Ackis | "Do you think NASA invented thunderstorms to cover up the sound of space battles?" |
| 11:54.57 | haste | :D |
| 12:06.22 | Fisker | hey haste |
| 12:06.23 | Fisker | i hate haste |
| 12:06.44 | haste | no you don't Fisker ! |
| 12:07.24 | Fisker | oh ok sorry then |
| 12:08.01 | haste | I started using chrome :( |
| 12:08.12 | haste | and now I have blue tint on my flash |
| 12:08.37 | Fisker | no you don't |
| 12:10.44 | haste | soon I won't |
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| 12:34.54 | Elkano | so if you anchor one frame to the bottomright of another you'd expect them to have the same right coordinate, right? |
| 12:35.22 | SuicidalKatt | depends on insets? |
| 12:37.31 | nevcairiel | depending on which anchor of the other frame you used |
| 12:37.38 | nevcairiel | probably topright to make sense |
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| 12:38.46 | Elkano | my setup: 1x1 frame used as topleft anchor for A and B; B is fixed width; A is anchored BOTTOMRIGHT to B |
| 12:39.16 | Elkano | A and B are clamptoscreen |
| 12:39.36 | Elkano | dragging A moves the 1x1 anchor frame |
| 12:40.06 | Fisker | Stanzilla |
| 12:40.29 | Fisker | Seen 2012 server yet? |
| 12:40.30 | Elkano | trying to move this construnction outside of the screen to the left results in frame A becoming wider the further out you are moving... |
| 12:40.57 | bluspacecow | da faq spotify |
| 12:41.19 | bluspacecow | http://open.spotify.com/track/56vdEbwKj3wVTZhVNA3Pwt |
| 12:41.30 | bluspacecow | why y play dat ? it's got a kazoo in it LOL |
| 12:41.48 | Elkano | oh... I see WHY it's happening... :/ |
| 13:03.45 | Adys | what's the word to express the way someone feels about themself being more than one person? |
| 13:03.54 | Adys | eg. poly-something-ism |
| 13:05.25 | bluspacecow | polyurthene ? |
| 13:05.46 | Elkano | is there a better way for vertical text than adding a newline after each char? |
| 13:07.46 | bluspacecow | @adys multiple personality disorder ? |
| 13:08.04 | Adys | not a disease |
| 13:08.14 | bluspacecow | :| |
| 13:08.18 | bluspacecow | idunnolol |
| 13:08.22 | Adys | and its dissociative identity disorder |
| 13:09.29 | bluspacecow | oh hey ! i had one word correct. and it was a something something disorder not a -ism |
| 13:09.31 | bluspacecow | :P |
| 13:09.38 | mikma | buttsecks |
| 13:10.19 | Elkano | Schizophrenia? |
| 13:10.42 | kagaro | has anyone figured out what GetWorldLocFromMapPos takes as params and returns? |
| 13:11.08 | kagaro | ive tried a lot of combinations of values for xy but results don't make sense |
| 13:11.32 | Adys | kagaro: i take it its unused in the api? |
| 13:11.40 | kagaro | yes |
| 13:11.43 | Adys | kagaro: you can always ask jnwhiteh for a beta api dump |
| 13:11.52 | Adys | !api GetWorldLocFromMapPos |
| 13:11.53 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'GetWorldLocFromMapPos'. |
| 13:12.11 | kagaro | it doesn't say squat when you call it for help information |
| 13:12.31 | kagaro | every other new map api call returns what it does when params not present except that one |
| 13:13.04 | Adys | kagaro: try map, x, y? |
| 13:13.06 | kagaro | it returns 3 numbers, the first one always appears to be a 0 |
| 13:13.27 | kagaro | ya i tried a ton of variations, scaled up/down yards vs points the results just don't make sense |
| 13:13.30 | Adys | give me an example of what it returns |
| 13:13.40 | kagaro | 1 sec lemme run it again |
| 13:14.27 | Adys | PetBattles.SetPendingReportTargetFromBattlePetOwner |
| 13:14.31 | Adys | WTF is this, java? |
| 13:16.00 | kagaro | for x,y (0.39815, 0.484384) it returns 0,-9060.73046875, 153.49169921875 |
| 13:16.19 | kagaro | the x,y is GetPlayerMapPosition("player") |
| 13:16.45 | Adys | did you check if the returns make sense! |
| 13:16.48 | Adys | ? |
| 13:17.20 | kagaro | it doesn't appear to be a valid map location |
| 13:17.30 | Adys | of course its not |
| 13:17.34 | Adys | its supposed to be a world loc |
| 13:17.45 | Adys | check in a map viewer or something |
| 13:18.03 | bluspacecow | space |
| 13:18.09 | bluspacecow | its in space Adys |
| 13:18.13 | bluspacecow | SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACCCCCCCCCCCCCEEEEEEEEEEEE |
| 13:18.42 | kagaro | no map location should be in negative values i wonder if its a texture coord or soemthing |
| 13:19.01 | Adys | kagaro: did you read what i said? |
| 13:19.03 | Adys | its a world loc |
| 13:19.17 | haste | Wait wait wait wait. I know I know I know. Lady wait. Wait. I know. Wait. Space. |
| 13:19.38 | Adys | kagaro: the only thing that doesn't make sense in your return is the 0 |
| 13:19.52 | Adys | it should be at the end |
| 13:21.02 | kagaro | and its always 0 as first result |
| 13:21.38 | Adys | kagaro: it returns either z, y, z or z, x, y |
| 13:22.01 | kagaro | he is the thing, even if i change my z coord the values don't change |
| 13:22.08 | Adys | from the -9060 though, its z, x, y |
| 13:22.14 | kagaro | at ground level to top of world the value is the same |
| 13:22.16 | Adys | kagaro: why would they change |
| 13:22.26 | Adys | you're only passing GPMP |
| 13:22.35 | Adys | which isnt returning any z value |
| 13:23.36 | Adys | oh wait |
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| 13:23.44 | Adys | 0 is probably the continent |
| 13:23.51 | Adys | kagaro: are you in stranglethorn? |
| 13:23.56 | kagaro | no |
| 13:23.59 | Adys | where? |
| 13:24.00 | kagaro | elwyn |
| 13:24.04 | Adys | yeah good enough |
| 13:24.14 | kagaro | lemme switch continents |
| 13:24.49 | karl_w_w | maybe it's the map level |
| 13:25.02 | Adys | karl_w_w: theres no concept of map level in the world |
| 13:25.08 | Adys | just 3d coords and instances |
| 13:25.13 | karl_w_w | which is why it would return 0 |
| 13:25.25 | Adys | it wouldnt return at all |
| 13:31.29 | kagaro | first value is continent just wen to north rend its now 571 |
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| 13:33.50 | kagaro | ohh well snap I've figured it out, cont, x,y where x,y are from center of map |
| 13:34.33 | Adys | kagaro: yes, thats how the world locs always worked |
| 13:34.41 | Adys | so i dont see an issue with the results |
| 13:36.07 | Adys | kagaro: if you go around stonetalon, or around dalaran crater, you should get near zero |
| 13:36.18 | Adys | tho that was pre-cataclysm |
| 13:36.20 | Adys | who the hell knows now |
| 13:36.51 | nevcairiel | wasnt 0,0 in westfall |
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| 13:37.28 | zenzelezz | I've heard tales of people appearing in Westfall in some circumstances |
| 13:37.29 | Adys | nevcairiel: no, thats just graveyard #0 |
| 13:37.38 | Adys | or something |
| 13:37.56 | zenzelezz | but I also remember from experience when the servers were seriously lagged out, being on the boat from Kalimdor to EK we ended up floating in the air above Alterac Mountains |
| 13:38.03 | nevcairiel | i remember blizzard explaining that at some point, and also saying that there is also 0,0 |
| 13:38.06 | nevcairiel | but that was long ago |
| 13:38.23 | Adys | 0/0/0/0 is above dalaran |
| 13:38.31 | Adys | 1/0/0/0 is under stonetalon |
| 13:38.36 | Adys | those are the values pre-cata i remember |
| 13:38.59 | kagaro | the issue was mine not the data i was using the wrong starting point |
| 13:39.09 | Adys | but yes theres something special about westfall |
| 13:39.26 | Adys | i dont remember what though |
| 13:40.02 | Adys | its either graveyard ids, or the closest graveyard to a missing zone id, or some bs like that |
| 13:40.07 | kagaro | malarian portal is 0,0 |
| 13:40.11 | kagaro | err dalaran |
| 13:40.22 | Adys | thats nice. |
| 13:40.28 | Adys | dalaran portal? |
| 13:40.36 | Adys | where are you? |
| 13:40.47 | kagaro | i just did a mage port to dalaran |
| 13:41.00 | Adys | right |
| 13:41.15 | Adys | i meant dalaran in alterac, but not surprised its in NR too |
| 13:41.25 | nevcairiel | its somewhat in the center too |
| 13:41.27 | kagaro | ya i was curious to see |
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| 13:42.46 | Adys | Blizzard is aware of trade scams and we'll be seeing some trade window changes in 1.0.4 (if all goes well) |
| 13:42.56 | bluspacecow | oh rly |
| 13:43.06 | Adys | only took TWELVE FUCKING YEARS |
| 13:43.19 | zenzelezz | 1.0.4? |
| 13:43.25 | nevcairiel | diablo |
| 13:43.28 | Adys | no, this is the same bs from d2 |
| 13:45.21 | Fisker | hey Stanzilla umad? |
| 13:45.31 | mckenziemc | hey Fisker |
| 13:45.35 | Fisker | nope mckenziemc |
| 13:45.47 | mckenziemc | hey anyway Fisker |
| 13:45.59 | Fisker | oh ok |
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| 13:50.19 | mckenziemc | uninsures Fisker. |
| 13:51.54 | Fisker | Progress: 11.1%, dl from 18 of 49 peers (1.34 MB/s), ul to 14 (5.56 MB/s) [1.91] |
| 13:51.56 | Fisker | mad? |
| 13:54.39 | Fisker | man so mad Stanzilla |
| 13:54.48 | kagaro | malarian crater isn't 0,0 so much have changed |
| 13:54.57 | bluspacecow | :| |
| 13:55.13 | bluspacecow | *gets dvd out that says its in 2.5 hrs* |
| 13:55.31 | bluspacecow | movie is in hindi , english subtitles with random parts said in english |
| 13:55.49 | bluspacecow | this is going to take me longer then 2.5 hrs with all the times i'll have to pause it :| |
| 13:55.58 | Fisker | m a d bluspacecow ? |
| 13:56.04 | bluspacecow | ya mad |
| 13:56.12 | bluspacecow | i dun got trolled good fisker |
| 13:56.22 | Fisker | so mad |
| 14:09.44 | bluspacecow | da faq |
| 14:09.53 | bluspacecow | now they're breaking out in song |
| 14:09.57 | bluspacecow | is this musical ? |
| 14:10.20 | bluspacecow | #successful troll is successful |
| 14:28.01 | karl_w_w | Cairenn|afk: http://itsacrimeuk.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/catolympics.jpg |
| 14:28.17 | karl_w_w | bluspacecow: this isn't twitter |
| 14:29.24 | bluspacecow | oh ok |
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| 14:35.25 | Sintacks | blu is bad |
| 14:35.32 | bluspacecow | oh rly? |
| 14:38.47 | Sintacks | ya rly |
| 14:38.57 | Sintacks | he retweets too much |
| 14:39.11 | Stanzilla | Fisker: wat up |
| 14:45.57 | bluspacecow | i liek to re-twitt |
| 14:45.58 | bluspacecow | u mad ? |
| 14:46.23 | Fisker | win 8 pro Stanzilla |
| 14:46.26 | Fisker | vl |
| 14:46.44 | Stanzilla | yeah |
| 14:46.57 | Fisker | gotten it yet? |
| 14:47.04 | Stanzilla | nope, was sleeping |
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| 14:54.24 | Yoshimo | is there a way that the quests and npc ids are saved in a descending/ascending sorted order by the addon or do i have to live with the small chaos in http://pastebin.com/bmXPiL10 ? |
| 14:55.36 | nevcairiel | hash tables cannot be sorted |
| 14:57.37 | mckenziemc | use an external tool on the file :p |
| 14:58.11 | Yoshimo | nevcairiels answer was exactly what i wanted to know |
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| 16:14.05 | bluspacecow | sintacks |
| 16:15.22 | Sintacks | bluspacecow |
| 16:15.48 | bluspacecow | watching my twitter ? |
| 16:15.57 | Sintacks | not live, no |
| 16:15.59 | bluspacecow | *bam* u mad ? |
| 16:16.37 | Sintacks | no |
| 16:16.41 | sintAcks | i go sleep |
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| 16:17.02 | bluspacecow | we were talking about EA using Zynga over the Ville earlier on ? |
| 16:17.10 | bluspacecow | *were we |
| 16:17.44 | Fisker | yes bluspacecow |
| 16:17.44 | Fisker | umad? |
| 16:17.51 | bluspacecow | yep |
| 16:17.59 | bluspacecow | i old. |
| 16:29.24 | Fisker | ownt |
| 16:43.40 | Ackis | my guild made fun of me for running 200ish addons :( |
| 16:44.07 | kullervo | a lot of modular ones hmm? |
| 16:44.24 | Ackis | a few |
| 16:48.00 | harl | wuff wuff! |
| 16:48.39 | Arrowmaster | why the fuck im i still listening to john carmack talk for 3 hours |
| 16:50.11 | Amarande | Arrowmaster: addiction? |
| 16:50.27 | Arrowmaster | nothing else to do :( |
| 16:50.53 | Amarande | well, goodbye Quest Completist. |
| 16:51.08 | Amarande | Any of you know an addon with similar functionality that doesn't have certain crippling bugs? |
| 16:52.45 | Amarande | Specifically: As I discovered to my irritation last night, it is apparently not possible to manually track or untrack quests when QC is active |
| 16:52.56 | Ackis | Amarande: I'd recommend Quest Completist |
| 16:53.13 | Amarande | The Track button simply doesn't function; the tracking checkboxes (I think they're a QuestGuru feature, though I'm not 100% on that) don't function either |
| 16:53.23 | Amarande | Ackis: that's what I just had to uninstall due to bugs with tracking |
| 16:53.54 | Amarande | At first I thought it was QuestGuru, but it turned out to be QC, since I disabled QG (without disabling QC, at that point) and still was unable to manually alter the tracked status of quests |
| 16:54.04 | Amarande | then when I disabled QC and reenabled QG, things worked properly |
| 16:54.59 | Amarande | I didn't even realise it until I had a WoW crash, which due to addons not saving their variables unless you reload the UI or log out properly, caused all my Howling Fjord quests (the ones I'd gotten during that session), to become untracked (I have auto quest tracking enabled) |
| 16:55.24 | Amarande | then after logging back into WoW, I could not for the life of me get any of them to become tracked again through any means until I disabled QC |
| 16:55.32 | Amarande | I'm not sure why that happens. :| |
| 16:55.34 | bluspacecow | I think this bollywood DVD just trolled me again : It has an intermission in the movie. Screen goes black and an intermission graphic comes up |
| 16:55.48 | Amarande | Far as I recall, nothing ended up in BugSack either |
| 16:55.49 | bluspacecow | is this in Live or Beta Amrande ? |
| 16:55.51 | Amarande | Live |
| 16:56.38 | Amarande | It's probably been that way ever since I installed QC, though I hadn't occasion to try to manually track a quest until last night's crash |
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| 17:10.51 | Amarande | ahhh, northrend cooking dailies |
| 17:11.13 | Amarande | now this is a quest I cannot understand the balancing decisions of at all when it first came out, and that was *definitely* appropriate to nerf. :) |
| 17:11.26 | Amarande | also: I should probably not think too much about WoW biology, apparently. |
| 17:11.36 | Amarande | (most particularly, the fact that it seems that only about half of animals actually have meat ... heh) |
| 17:17.38 | bluspacecow | did you try deleting the saved variables files for it ? |
| 17:17.50 | bluspacecow | http://arstechnica.com/apple/2012/08/graphics-improvements-give-mountain-lion-that-speedy-feeling/ |
| 17:17.56 | bluspacecow | "its feels snappier" |
| 17:18.03 | bluspacecow | cliched saying after _every_ OS X update. |
| 17:19.18 | karl_w_w | anyone know what a .maki file is? |
| 17:21.49 | Arrowmaster | something for winamp3 |
| 17:22.05 | Arrowmaster | looks like for the interface |
| 17:22.12 | cbreak | bluspacecow: also "It seems to use more electricity than before" |
| 17:22.24 | bluspacecow | it drains my batteries faster ! |
| 17:22.45 | cbreak | I guess the snappyness uses GPU cycles |
| 17:23.34 | Iriel | bluspacecow: really? Mountain Lion was giving me more battery life |
| 17:23.49 | bluspacecow | just something I just skimmed over on Ars |
| 17:23.55 | bluspacecow | may not be effecting your model. |
| 17:24.07 | cbreak | I just updated to Lion two weeks ago. |
| 17:24.09 | bluspacecow | http://arstechnica.com/apple/2012/08/mountain-lion-having-mysterious-effect-on-battery-life-for-some-users/ |
| 17:24.13 | cbreak | maybe mountain lion next year :) |
| 17:25.03 | bluspacecow | "There's no known timeline for when OS X will support OpenGL 4.2, though, and Apple declined to comment on the matter." they mean IF apple decides to support it. |
| 17:25.45 | cbreak | the main contributions of new OpenGL seems to be to deprecate ancient immediate mode... |
| 17:26.50 | zenzelezz | that's been going on for a long time now |
| 17:27.21 | zenzelezz | think it's not been part since 3, in theory |
| 17:28.57 | karl_w_w | in C, is there a way to get a divide by zero without using a / ? |
| 17:29.33 | haste | modulo? |
| 17:29.47 | foxlit | karl_w_w: you accidentially a noun there. |
| 17:30.01 | foxlit | error? value? |
| 17:30.01 | Amarande | karl: do you have a library that lets you use trig functions? |
| 17:30.09 | karl_w_w | error, foxlit |
| 17:30.11 | Amarande | if so, try to take the tangent of 90 degrees :) |
| 17:30.48 | Amarande | (though I'm actually not sure if that would work either, since most math libraries make you use radians, and the necessary value for *that* involves a / as well :P) |
| 17:31.19 | zenzelezz | karl_w_w: why can't you use a divide? |
| 17:32.47 | haste | probably looking for a bug |
| 17:32.51 | karl_w_w | it's not my code, somebody else is spamming my life with divide by 0 |
| 17:36.46 | Amarande | karl: does any of the code use trigonometric functions? |
| 17:37.05 | Amarande | like I said, tan() will divide by 0 if it's fed 90 degrees or the equivalent |
| 17:37.19 | Amarande | Bad timing loops are also known for it too |
| 17:37.32 | Amarande | (in fact, it's the actual reason why a lot of old DOS games don't run at all without the aid of a CPU slower) |
| 17:38.16 | Amarande | said old games would use a ... I think it was Pascal library that would calibrate the delay loops used in the game |
| 17:38.45 | Amarande | which would measure how much time a given operation would take and then use it as a benchmark for such calibration - CPU too fast, the time taken registers as 0 and results in the program throwing an error |
| 17:40.09 | cbreak | karl_w_w: division by zero is legal for floating point numbers, it's only not allowed for integers. |
| 17:42.04 | Amarande | cbreak: I'm guessing that floating point has a special value assigned for "NaN" then |
| 17:42.21 | cbreak | it has. |
| 17:42.27 | cbreak | there are many many different NaNs |
| 17:42.52 | cbreak | lua> print(1/0, 0/0) |
| 17:42.54 | lua_bot | cbreak: inf, -nan |
| 17:43.36 | cbreak | on windows those are formated differently |
| 17:44.10 | Amarande | Now here's a strange further breakage of mathematics: 0*inf |
| 17:44.17 | Amarande | because, in fact, 0*inf = ALL |
| 17:45.04 | karl_w_w | well, I may have fixed it |
| 17:45.21 | cbreak | lua> print(1/(0*0), (1/0)*0) -- makes sense to me |
| 17:45.21 | lua_bot | cbreak: inf, -nan |
| 17:45.27 | cbreak | totally :) |
| 17:45.31 | Amarande | after all, anything divided by infinity is zero |
| 17:45.46 | Amarande | therefore, since if a/b = c, then cb = a, zero times infinity equals whatever you want it to be |
| 17:48.04 | karl_w_w | welp, I'll just assume I magically fixed it |
| 17:48.52 | karl_w_w | even though the replacement file i compiled is a good bit smaller than the original |
| 17:49.14 | Adys | Arrowmaster: https://www.archlinux.org/news/install-media-20120804-available/ |
| 17:49.18 | Adys | i dont need grml anymore |
| 17:55.09 | Amarande | drat, the only other person on in guild is only level 29 |
| 17:55.21 | Amarande | I really didn't feel like questing what might be half of zangar just to be able to do the cooking daily :| |
| 17:58.02 | karl_w_w | woo, no more 6000 fragment guru.log |
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| 18:01.32 | Amarande | no roast clefthoof recipe on AH, don't have kurenai rep. :| |
| 18:01.38 | Amarande | and the daily is spiritual soup. |
| 18:01.56 | Amarande | on the good side, I just snagged one of the cross-faction cooking recipes for only 50g |
| 18:06.57 | TC-Work | ~pign |
| 18:07.01 | TC-Work | ~ping |
| 18:07.01 | purl | ~pong |
| 18:07.21 | karl_w_w | hey TC-Work |
| 18:07.25 | karl_w_w | time or money? |
| 18:07.37 | TC-Work | huh, you know i just realised that purl respons with a '~' as well |
| 18:07.42 | TC-Work | karl_w_w: yes |
| 18:07.57 | Amarande | karl: c'mon, you know that's not an either-or |
| 18:08.01 | karl_w_w | well that wasn't a lot of help :P |
| 18:08.02 | Amarande | time is money, as every goblin will tell you :) |
| 18:08.41 | TC-Work | karl_w_w: what do you expect, you have no context |
| 18:09.03 | karl_w_w | i know |
| 18:09.08 | karl_w_w | that was part of the draw |
| 18:09.25 | karl_w_w | it's less interesting when you know what you're picking |
| 18:10.05 | karl_w_w | it's going to be the next song I listen to |
| 18:10.48 | karl_w_w | time it is |
| 18:14.40 | TC-Work | karl_w_w: Good timin brought me to you |
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| 18:28.31 | Amarande | yay, guildie is picking up the recipe for me so I don't have to go do the kurenai chains yet |
| 18:35.30 | karl_w_w | TC-Work: more like and you run and you run to catch up with the sun but it's sinking |
| 18:37.20 | Amarande | hm. |
| 18:37.24 | Amarande | speaking of cooking dailies |
| 18:37.42 | Amarande | didn't there used to be five in Shattrath? or were there always four cooking and five fishing ones? |
| 18:41.19 | TC-Work | that has nothing to do with time |
| 18:41.25 | TC-Work | failure |
| 18:57.32 | mikma | http://imgur.com/gallery/IcaGz |
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| 19:08.01 | karl_w_w | TC-Work: L2metaphor |
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| 19:09.18 | karl_w_w | damned socket operation on non-socket |
| 19:09.44 | mckenziemc | interprets that as a metaphor. |
| 19:10.04 | karl_w_w | gets a new interpreter |
| 19:13.53 | karl_w_w | http://dailyfailcenter.com/17889 |
| 19:16.21 | TC-Work | karl_w_w: L2begoodatmetaphor |
| 19:20.10 | karl_w_w | it's not my metaphor |
| 19:20.18 | TC-Work | lies |
| 19:21.26 | karl_w_w | TC-Work can you murder a guy for me? |
| 19:21.36 | karl_w_w | his name is david ramli |
| 19:22.39 | karl_w_w | he's a "journalist" |
| 19:22.51 | karl_w_w | I use the word journalist in the fox news sense |
| 19:23.32 | TC-Work | Is he in LA? |
| 19:24.10 | karl_w_w | I don't think so |
| 19:28.05 | TC-Work | Then no |
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| 19:29.19 | mckenziemc | relocates TC-Work. |
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| 20:17.08 | Humbedooh | traps mckenziemc inside liblordfarlander |
| 20:33.05 | mckenziemc | traps Humbedooh inside Amarande's keyboard. |
| 20:54.34 | Arrowmaster | i really should stop reading reddit threads when the jolly rancher story is mentioned |
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| 22:05.19 | ccox | From pennsic: needlepoint says "Home Sweet Yurt" |
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| 22:17.06 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:17.11 | Cairenn | Yurts are great |
| 22:22.29 | Corrodias | and that makes me think of Morrowind |
| 22:26.51 | Adys | Iriel: you any good with figuring out linux library linking? |
| 22:27.11 | Arrowmaster | whats there to figure out? |
| 22:27.20 | Adys | well |
| 22:27.31 | Adys | I have a qt4 app (ts3) that *should* work with current qt |
| 22:27.38 | Adys | but it ships its own i believe |
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| 22:27.41 | Adys | so theming is ugly |
| 22:28.23 | Arrowmaster | does it still work if you remove the one its shipping with |
| 22:29.43 | Arrowmaster | if not i believe you can edit the executables library search paths with one of the ld* commands |
| 22:29.52 | Adys | hmm |
| 22:30.03 | Arrowmaster | or use one of the LD_* env vars |
| 22:30.04 | Adys | im gonna need to test it once i get oxygen back up on pure qt |
| 22:30.11 | Adys | meaning, in a few years |
| 22:30.50 | Arrowmaster | completely agree http://i.imgur.com/rWy9J.jpg |
| 22:36.05 | Iriel | Adys: not since many years ago sorry |
| 23:08.52 | harl|NCIS | (re) |
| 23:10.21 | Arrowmaster | ohh hulu has chinese electric batman, its been a while since i watched that |
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| 23:13.36 | arton | If computers had AI they'd terrorize me. :( But wait; my computer does terrorize me. AI's real? o.O Stupid impossible bugs. *cracks knuckles* |
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| 23:24.22 | arton | anyone know how I can insert another git repo into my git repo? I've used 'git fetch' and pulled from a specific branch, but the code's not the correct code for that remote branch. Anyone ever run into this? |
| 23:24.45 | arton | maybe I should ask in #git |
| 23:28.11 | haste | you can |
| 23:28.53 | Stanzilla | Arrowmaster: Nvidia Linux Display Driver Beta 304.32 from today |
| 23:28.57 | haste | ! |
| 23:29.38 | Arrowmaster | my box is broken |
| 23:30.07 | haste | I only see 22 Stanzilla |
| 23:31.08 | Arrowmaster | not only did i hear a loud pop and my desktop stop powering on, a few days later my lcd stopped working too |
| 23:31.18 | haste | and now I found 304.30 :P |
| 23:31.26 | Stanzilla | I found it on german news site but they require registrations for that download |
| 23:31.28 | Stanzilla | nothankyou |
| 23:31.42 | haste | http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux-display-amd64-304.30-driver.html |
| 23:32.39 | Stanzilla | http://www.computerbase.de/downloads/treiber/grafik/nvidia-linux-display-driver/ |
| 23:33.04 | haste | seems shady :P |
| 23:33.12 | Stanzilla | the site is fine |
| 23:33.45 | haste | but there's no .32 on nvidia's ftp |
| 23:42.14 | Adys | c1337a0..99b83b0 master -> master |
| 23:42.18 | Adys | my commit has 1337 in it |
| 23:42.20 | Adys | I AM THE BEST |
| 23:42.29 | Cairenn | lol |
| 23:43.22 | haste | so easy to entertain Adys ! |
| 23:44.29 | Amarande | Dangit. I could swear wowpedia used to have printer friendly versions and now they don't :| |
| 23:46.10 | Adys | Amarande: ?printable=yes |
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| 23:46.56 | Adys | Amarande: http://www.wowpedia.org/index.php?title=Fangs%20of%20the%20Father&printable=yes |
| 23:48.19 | Amarande | Adys: which actually just made me notice something |
| 23:49.00 | Amarande | White items show extremely poorly in the printable version. Haven't tried printing yet but from what I've seen on B&W printers general light or dark is still preserved, which means they'll probably be similarly near-impossible to read |
| 23:49.30 | Amarande | It might be a good idea for the printable version to use grey for white items too :S |
| 23:49.31 | Stanzilla | black and white printers |
| 23:49.32 | Stanzilla | what |
| 23:49.55 | Amarande | Stan: it's what we use when we want a decent quality printer that doesn't cost an arm and a leg :) |
| 23:50.11 | Amarande | Colour lasers are still a touch expensive, and inkjets are just an all around bad idea |
| 23:51.01 | Amarande | I pretty much refuse to use inkjets anymore, so B&W laser is what I picked :) |
| 23:51.36 | Adys | i had a b&w laser a few years back |
| 23:51.39 | Adys | god that thing was awesome |
| 23:52.13 | Adys | it sounded like an airplane when it fired up, and once it actually started printing it was like an AK-47 shooting paper |
| 23:52.15 | *** join/#wowuidev durcyn (~durcyn@WoWUIDev/Durcyn) |
| 23:52.52 | Amarande | I have a Lexmark E250dn ... Something like up to 30 pages per minute, and it has built-in duplexing as well |
| 23:53.00 | Amarande | great for printing things like Northrend efficient-questing guides :) |
| 23:53.19 | Adys | yeah thats exactly the use case the printer designers had in mind... |
| 23:54.29 | Amarande | Adys: 50+ page documents? I'm pretty sure that's the kind of use that printer designers do have in mind when they make laser printers, heh |
| 23:54.41 | Adys | what the |
| 23:54.42 | pompy | lol |
| 23:54.53 | Adys | why would you have an efficient-questing-guide be 50 pages long wtf |
| 23:55.04 | haste | it's super effective ! |
| 23:55.08 | Amarande | Adys: because Northrend zones are pretty big, especially HF and BT :) |
| 23:55.13 | haste | step by step guide with images, so you don't have to read |
| 23:55.30 | Adys | why would you print that in b&w then |
| 23:55.31 | Adys | T_T |
| 23:55.48 | Adys | i shudder just to think of how wow screenshots would render in b&w |
| 23:56.03 | Amarande | However, the original point of note was that wowpedia should use a darker colour for otherwise "white" items in the printer friendly versions |
| 23:56.12 | Amarande | because, well, paper is generally white |
| 23:56.33 | Adys | Amarande: i dont think anyone at wowpedia ever bothered working on the print-friendly css |
| 23:56.43 | Amarande | (and since white is not a colour when printing, anyway, it's the absence of colour, it wouldn't help if paper wasn't white, heh) |
| 23:57.26 | Adys | if you're not printing on white paper your printer needs to know |
| 23:58.10 | Adys | urgh |
| 23:58.13 | Adys | i hate working with forms |
| 23:58.15 | Adys | hate hate hate |
| 23:58.39 | Adys | I have a django modelform with a fuckton of fields and i have to modify every last detail of it |
| 23:59.02 | Amarande | gets a job for Adys in the tax filing office |
| 23:59.32 | Adys | even the damn labels, why would the django team think it a good idea that, just to remove the ":" from the end of the labels, you'd have to modify the ENTIRE thing |
