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| 00:35.55 | p3lim | Anyone got somewhere sweet to test out the new possessbar and overrideactionbar? |
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| 02:06.47 | pompy | Dagmar: whos 250gb cap? |
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| 02:18.25 | pompy | http://gamerant.com/borderlands-2-finished-dlc-mole-160367/ |
| 02:24.51 | TC-Work | http://kotaku.com/5927866/a-classic-scene-from-pulp-fiction-recreated-with-valves-filmmaker |
| 02:30.51 | pompy | TC-Work: sweet |
| 02:31.01 | pompy | did you see the buzz lightyear one? |
| 02:31.13 | TC-Work | nope |
| 02:31.58 | pompy | http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=4jOjCdGFOII |
| 02:32.24 | pompy | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zvi3kMOFsHg |
| 02:32.28 | pompy | better^ |
| 02:47.48 | Dagmar | TC-Wor: That is f**king awesome |
| 02:48.37 | TC-Work | L2tabcomplete Dagmar |
| 02:52.35 | foxlit | TC-Wo: the dash in your name breaks my client's tab completion :( |
| 02:52.54 | TC-Work | really? interesting |
| 02:52.59 | TC-Work | must be linux based |
| 02:53.08 | pompy | Dagmar: comcast? |
| 02:53.09 | TC-Work | it doesnt seem to handle hyphens well |
| 02:55.03 | Dagmar | No, it's called typing people's names. Sometimes it is subject to not giving a crap. |
| 02:55.49 | TC-Work | thats my point, tab-complete = less crap given |
| 03:00.33 | pompy | TC-Work: hows Risen? i see you own it |
| 03:00.45 | pompy | same publisher as Dead Island but i know that doesnt mean shit |
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| 03:02.21 | Dagmar | Bleh. Can't buy any more games right now, no matter how awesoms |
| 03:02.23 | TC-Work | pompy: according to some site i have played 40% of all the games i own.....that was not one of them |
| 03:02.35 | Dagmar | I'm pretty much in that boat |
| 03:03.55 | pompy | Dagmar: whats your id? |
| 03:07.01 | kd3 | heh, random amusement on a crap day: http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/ww4w9/im_5_years_old_amaa/ |
| 03:09.09 | Dagmar | I'm not letting people send me anything |
| 03:09.15 | Dagmar | I am six games behind as it is |
| 03:13.28 | Dagmar | ...but it's evilDagmar. Same as just about everywhere. |
| 03:13.46 | Dagmar | I had to go and buy freaking canned sodas earlier. There's only so much suggested sell I can take. |
| 03:17.35 | Dagmar | Cherry coke tho. If I popped cans of Full Throttle like that I'd be downtown screaming about walruses by 2am |
| 03:17.37 | pompy | ah nice ;) http://lambentstew.com/webblog/miniproject/steamanalysis?steamid=evilDagmar |
| 03:19.32 | Dagmar | Yeah I've probably set myself up with video games until the spring at this point |
| 03:20.56 | Dagmar | I have hopes they'll do a port of the last Precipice to Android, because otherwise I am just grinding my teeth trying to deal with it on my desktop |
| 03:33.54 | pompy | http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/616675_238754612911838_686439232_o.jpg :\ |
| 03:43.59 | Ackis | this is haunting: https://twitter.com/JessicaRedfield |
| 03:44.27 | kd3 | that name rings a bell |
| 03:44.32 | kd3 | oh, that's why |
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| 03:45.48 | Dagmar | Um... Was that one of the twelve? |
| 03:46.46 | kd3 | yah |
| 03:47.11 | Dagmar | Morbid. |
| 03:56.16 | karl_w_w | oh nice the community choice isnt available in my area |
| 03:56.36 | karl_w_w | risen |
| 03:56.53 | karl_w_w | i like how it was showing as available during the vote |
| 04:01.35 | pompy | https://twitter.com/ABYSMALJUSTICE/status/226277108123586560 i dont understand the order of tweets in twitter! other than having to click details on each one |
| 04:05.28 | karl_w_w | that's because twitter is useless |
| 04:05.48 | karl_w_w | in other news, the flavour of honey is seriously underrated |
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| 04:10.14 | kd3 | http://www.theonion.com/articles/sadly-nation-knows-exactly-how-colorado-shootings,28857/ |
| 04:10.27 | Kaylin | too soon onion? |
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| 04:35.50 | Thunder_Child | Kaylin: except for the part that they are more or less correct |
| 04:36.35 | Thunder_Child | The truth is never too soon |
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| 04:52.44 | Kaylin | which beta server is the one that has cool people on it? |
| 04:54.10 | karl_w_w | it's beta Kaylin |
| 04:54.15 | karl_w_w | nobody there is cool |
| 04:54.57 | karl_w_w | i would log in and tell you but apparently i have a patch |
| 04:55.02 | Kaylin | :( |
| 04:57.19 | karl_w_w | lost isles |
| 04:57.24 | karl_w_w | alliance obviously :P |
| 05:01.11 | Torhal | Horde, you madman! |
| 05:02.58 | pompy | damn.. the flash deal ending in like 3 mins got replaced with a new one already with the previous one still a flash sale for the last 3 mins... weirdd. |
| 05:03.36 | karl_w_w | that happens a lot pompy |
| 05:06.33 | Torhal | flash-fries pompy and sells him in 3 minutes. |
| 05:07.09 | pompy | jerkface |
| 05:07.43 | pompy | mehh bulletstorm and oblivion goty were the new flash deals |
| 05:09.39 | pompy | Offer ends in 59:54:26 |
| 05:09.43 | pompy | that cant be right! |
| 05:12.31 | Kaylin | oh my god shroud of concealment, I am illidan, who forgot to tell me this |
| 05:13.03 | Thunder_Child | I liked bulletstorm. It was humorus |
| 05:13.29 | Thunder_Child | humorous* |
| 05:13.47 | pompy | lol yeah |
| 05:14.01 | pompy | i liked the plant boss |
| 05:24.43 | karl_w_w | hey pompy |
| 05:24.51 | karl_w_w | wanna buy me a new modem? |
| 05:27.12 | pompy | karl_w_w: i need a new one myseld |
| 05:27.22 | pompy | s/myseld/myself |
| 05:28.52 | karl_w_w | http://www.cnet.com.au/avm-fritzbox-7390-339313956.htm |
| 05:30.14 | Torhal | karl_w_w: Is it self-propelled? Can it hover? |
| 05:31.32 | pompy | "Quota counter limited to 99GB (fixed with firmware update)" |
| 05:32.07 | Fisker | i peed Thunder_Child |
| 05:32.46 | Thunder_Child | Fisker: did it burn? |
| 05:32.53 | Fisker | nope |
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| 05:34.20 | karl_w_w | Torhal: at the price, you'd hope so |
| 05:34.23 | fleshmelt | I've never programmed anything more complicated than a "Hello World" program but I want to port info from lm-sensors to titan preformance can anyone help me? |
| 05:35.53 | Arrowmaster | cant be done |
| 05:36.00 | fleshmelt | ok |
| 05:36.04 | fleshmelt | can you explain why |
| 05:36.13 | Arrowmaster | cant get external data into the game |
| 05:36.30 | fleshmelt | how does titan preformance get RAM data? |
| 05:36.52 | Arrowmaster | wow provides a function that gives it |
| 05:37.03 | fleshmelt | but not a CPU temp function |
| 05:37.09 | fleshmelt | I see thank you |
| 05:40.27 | pompy | lol |
| 05:40.34 | pompy | well he did get his answer! :) |
| 05:41.29 | Thunder_Child | He was one of the nicer Hit 'n Run users |
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| 08:14.00 | ZorbaTHut | hah. I just received a beta invite for . . . "Masts of Panderia" |
| 08:14.07 | ZorbaTHut | this looks legitimate, let me type my account information in |
| 08:14.34 | Mr_Rabies | dude i bet it has boats |
| 08:14.37 | Mr_Rabies | get on that shiz |
| 08:14.43 | Mr_Rabies | masts? boats have those |
| 08:15.13 | ZorbaTHut | to be honest I would totally play Masts of Panderia |
| 08:16.27 | Mr_Rabies | masts of pandering to boat enthusiasts |
| 08:16.55 | ZorbaTHut | "my new hull has +450 to poop deck" |
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| 08:17.13 | Mr_Rabies | pfft dude with stats like that your crew's gonna get scurvy in no time |
| 08:17.34 | Mr_Rabies | with my sail of limebringing my crew's totally immune |
| 08:19.45 | ZorbaTHut | fun fact, limes are about 1/4 as good at fending off scurvy as lemons are. This is part of what contributed to humanity losing the cure for scurvy for a few decades - the British didn't really distinguish between "lemons" and "limes", and through a series of mistakes, including switching from Mediterranean lemons to cheaper West Indian limes, their scurvy cure stopped working entirely. |
| 08:20.40 | ZorbaTHut | the reason they didn't find out is because during the time they were making these changes, boats were getting faster and shore nutrition was improving, so they didn't *need* extra vitamin C. Which is good 'cause eventually they weren't getting any. |
| 08:27.16 | karl_w_w | i think i lost conciousness just past "fun fact," |
| 08:31.45 | Mr_Rabies | i think i turned into a lime |
| 08:50.07 | nevcairiel | whats the MoP API again to get the players current talent specialization |
| 08:52.16 | nevcairiel | GetSpecialization is it, for the record :p |
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| 09:17.20 | Yoshimo | http://www.wowpedia.org/Patch_5.0.1/API_changes might also be a good source^^ |
| 09:20.16 | nevcairiel | doing a reloadui crashes the current beta build, ftl |
| 09:21.34 | karl_w_w | don't do it then |
| 09:30.51 | kullervo | faster than light? |
| 09:30.53 | Yoshimo | assertion failure on each login attempt , nice beta build ;) |
| 09:31.07 | nevcairiel | dont alt-tab during login |
| 09:31.12 | nevcairiel | be patient and wait it out :p |
| 09:32.03 | Yoshimo | thats not helping |
| 09:32.15 | nevcairiel | i only get assertion failures when i alt-tab |
| 09:32.22 | nevcairiel | sometimes immediately, sometimes only after reloadui |
| 09:32.30 | nevcairiel | and always when i alt-tab during login |
| 09:32.50 | Yoshimo | wow never lost focus and Boom ;) |
| 09:33.21 | Yoshimo | maybe some addon, lets try without |
| 09:34.04 | Yoshimo | without it works, not again... |
| 09:36.03 | Yoshimo | src\lstorminterface.cpp , anyidea what that file is about? |
| 09:36.13 | nevcairiel | same assertion i get anyway |
| 09:38.33 | Yoshimo | slashcmd && /dump GameTooltip:GetRegions() are the ones mentioned on us forum as possible reason |
| 09:39.16 | nevcairiel | turning off taintlog supposedly helps |
| 09:39.19 | nevcairiel | if you have that on |
| 09:41.33 | Caleb| | qq I'm getting that error Yoshimo if I use some addons in combination |
| 09:41.49 | Caleb| | especially chat addons |
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| 09:49.13 | Yoshimo | that was good, removing chatter and wim allowed me at least to enter the game |
| 09:50.59 | Caleb| | I can have either Chatter or MSBT on, but the two togather causes that error on login |
| 09:53.16 | Yoshimo | does anyone know what the faction" the black prince " is about`? |
| 09:58.33 | karl_w_w | legendary Yoshimo |
| 09:59.37 | Yoshimo | 50 rep for each dreadwaste mob in the clutches, is a nice way to push that^^ |
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| 12:23.07 | zenzelezz | http://www.ipadgameforcats.com/ ... |
| 12:27.58 | AcidWeb | http://wowprogramming.com/forums/development/686 |
| 12:40.02 | p3lim | Is there any actionbar addons that works with MoP vehicle states right now? |
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| 13:06.01 | Yoshimo | p3lim : did you update your github with the newest beta build yet? |
| 13:06.13 | p3lim | Yoshimo: Yes |
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| 13:08.35 | p3lim | Missed a build push in there tho', shouldnt matter much |
| 13:17.39 | olafski | someone selling vial of the sands for 29700 gold.. wouldn't that be selling at a loss? oO |
| 13:24.56 | Ackis | there were people selling them for 16k on my server, had about 10 to sell |
| 13:25.28 | mckenziemc | duplicates Ackis |
| 13:25.51 | bluspacecow | *doodles on Ackis* |
| 13:26.10 | bluspacecow | *draws frenchie 'stache* |
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| 13:37.28 | Fisker | them dueps |
| 13:38.57 | karl_w_w | don't Fisker |
| 13:40.18 | mckenziemc | Fiskers. |
| 13:41.58 | Fisker | I wonder if they're basically refusing to put out a patch for the dupes because of the expansion |
| 13:42.01 | Fisker | that would suck :o |
| 13:44.39 | olafski | well.. yes :P |
| 13:45.07 | olafski | this thing was where I got nearly all of my profit, now I'm wondering if I will hit the gold limit before the expansion =( |
| 13:46.02 | olafski | guess I can't do anything except make another ticket |
| 13:49.33 | Fisker | you got all of your profit duping? |
| 13:49.40 | Fisker | name and realm please |
| 13:51.42 | olafski | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:58.19 | bluspacecow | Friskery friskers fisker rather fiskery |
| 14:02.28 | Fisker | mad bluspacecow ? |
| 14:02.37 | bluspacecow | so mad |
| 14:06.01 | Arrowmaster | worst fucking week ever |
| 14:06.31 | Arrowmaster | i go to swap out harddrives because the one i was trying to copy the bad drive to ended up dying on me too |
| 14:06.43 | Arrowmaster | plug everything in and power it back up |
| 14:06.45 | Arrowmaster | and POP |
| 14:06.52 | Arrowmaster | something fucking blew |
| 14:07.05 | karl_w_w | breaks in to Arrowmaster's house and steals his PC |
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| 14:07.51 | Arrowmaster | the led indicating the mobo has standby power is still lighting but it wont power on |
| 14:08.08 | Arrowmaster | i pulled the 2 drives i was working around and dont see anything wrong on their boards |
| 14:08.22 | Arrowmaster | i didnt even connect them and it wouldnt power on |
| 14:09.56 | zenzelezz | :-| |
| 14:23.01 | Fisker | probably a mosfet on your mobo then |
| 14:23.07 | Fisker | maybe your gpu |
| 14:27.35 | Arrowmaster | i dont have the time or the space to pull the tower out and remove the mobo tray right now |
| 14:27.55 | Arrowmaster | but yeah im hoping its one thing blown that i can just replace the component |
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| 14:30.16 | Arrowmaster | if i was a drinking man, id be finding alcohol right about now |
| 14:31.50 | Ackis | but you are a drinking man |
| 14:33.27 | Arrowmaster | yeah but all people tend to have around here is beer |
| 14:36.15 | bluspacecow | Freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeenchie |
| 14:36.18 | bluspacecow | hai2u |
| 14:36.25 | A-KO | Arrowmaster: Clearly I need ot throw another drinking event at blizzcon |
| 14:36.30 | A-KO | :P |
| 14:38.16 | Arrowmaster | A-KO, you had stuff other than beer |
| 14:38.36 | p3lim | Where is the OverrideActionBar used? |
| 14:38.41 | p3lim | I need somewhere I can test it |
| 14:39.38 | Arrowmaster | i went out of town to a funeral last weekend, family had coolers of beer at a realitives house, cases of beer in the hotel rooms, no alcohol i could stand to drink in sight |
| 14:40.41 | A-KO | ouch |
| 14:40.43 | A-KO | that sucks |
| 14:40.50 | A-KO | I'm still a big rum fan |
| 14:42.21 | bluspacecow | @p3lim http://i3.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/000/341/i-dunno-lol_1_.jpg |
| 14:42.32 | bluspacecow | try searching the framexml extracts :P |
| 14:43.32 | Elkano | Arrowmaster, what seems to be the problem with beer? or is it just "beer"? |
| 14:44.17 | bluspacecow | i don't think its beer |
| 14:44.24 | bluspacecow | a particular type of beer |
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| 14:44.51 | bluspacecow | one mans nectar is another mans horse piss |
| 14:45.53 | Arrowmaster | Elkano, i dont like the taste of any american beers |
| 14:46.24 | Elkano | bluspacecow: https://static4.3dsupply.de/temp/tile_images/256_1071_24_1329320854.0_False_False_None_0.6_640_400.png |
| 14:46.29 | Arrowmaster | and dragon ball z kai is on one of the over the air broadcast tv channels right now........... |
| 14:46.47 | Elkano | ok, so it's the problem of "beer" vs beer |
| 14:46.49 | p3lim | bluspacecow: more like, is there a quest that uses it or something |
| 14:47.19 | Arrowmaster | Elkano, ive never had any non american beers |
| 14:48.11 | Elkano | poor you... |
| 14:50.54 | bluspacecow | sorry p3lim i just wanted an excuse to link that image above. |
| 14:59.27 | karl_w_w | man alive, wow beta seems to have some sort of built in auto-fragment |
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| 15:02.20 | Jamash|web | sup jersk |
| 15:02.39 | Jamash|web | my laptop *might* be fixed on monday! |
| 15:03.00 | Jamash|web | which is to say, I'm in the same state (Next Business Day, aka Soon(tm)) that I've been for two weeks |
| 15:03.27 | Jamash|web | I hope it gets fixed before 5.0 drops |
| 15:03.29 | Jamash|web | I'd kinda like to update my addon |
| 15:03.52 | Jamash|web | oh snap I gotta go get ready for batmans |
| 15:03.58 | Jamash|web | IRC MAN AWAY |
| 15:04.34 | karl_w_w | fkn web interface hit n runs |
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| 15:55.08 | p3lim | Grr, is there no way to get access to the US wow forums without an active subscription? |
| 15:57.08 | karl_w_w | p3lim: hack into somebody else's account |
| 15:57.44 | karl_w_w | or, hack into the server and let anybody with any account post on US |
| 15:57.54 | Yoshimo | its even impossible to access with a valid eu subscription ;) |
| 15:59.54 | p3lim | Diablo let you post on both EU and US forums, I don't see why they limit WoW users this much. |
| 16:00.28 | p3lim | Hm I can still do a sticky request |
| 16:00.34 | p3lim | I'll do that instead :p |
| 16:01.56 | Stanzilla | you'll have to wait till they advertise "globalplay" for wow |
| 16:02.51 | Yoshimo | it doesnt make sense to keep things like eu and us english forums seperate for lets say ui, classes , general |
| 16:04.02 | p3lim | Especially UI |
| 16:06.44 | Stanzilla | http://vimeo.com/45417241 |
| 16:06.55 | Yoshimo | the eu copy is rather silent, the us one is very the real developers look^^ |
| 16:09.51 | bluspacecow | which forums were you wanting to post in p3lim ? |
| 16:10.43 | pompy | huh? theres no new daily deals on steam |
| 16:11.24 | bluspacecow | oh noes |
| 16:11.44 | Amarande | p3lim: I'm not sure what the reason for it nowadays is, but apparently the reason WoW has had never-the-twain-to-meet US and EU halves had something to do with EU privacy laws |
| 16:12.14 | Amarande | apparently, you guys in Europe have much stronger privacy protections than we do in America, and it interfered with things somehow |
| 16:12.19 | Amarande | I'm not sure why it's *still* the case though |
| 16:12.37 | Amarande | especially since e.g. Turbine merged its EU and US LOTRO operations last year |
| 16:12.41 | bluspacecow | IIRC trial accounts can post in general , tech support and customer support |
| 16:12.53 | Amarande | used to be they'd hired it out to a company called Codemasters for Europe |
| 16:13.34 | Amarande | I suppose it must be the matter of the good old happy fun dollar |
| 16:13.52 | bluspacecow | haven't tried this myself but https://dl.dropbox.com/u/2978624/posting%20on%20other%20regions%20battle.net%20forums%20%28Kodiack%29.txt |
| 16:14.11 | Amarande | As long as they keep US and EU separate, if people have both US and EU friends, then they have to buy two WoW accounts to play in both regions (actually, is it even still possible in the US to obtain a EU battle.net account, or will you be kicked to the US b.net server every time you try?) |
| 16:14.24 | p3lim | Amarande: I can't see how that would interfere with something as simple as forum access |
| 16:14.51 | p3lim | My battle.net account is shared on both the us and eu versions of battle.net, though the forums require an us sub |
| 16:15.20 | Amarande | ah |
| 16:15.35 | Amarande | yeah, I'm not even sure if you can get an out-of-region sub nowadays. can you, or did the battle.net merger make that impossible unless you already did in the past? |
| 16:15.55 | Amarande | But yeah, I'm guessing the reason for keeping the regions separate is money. |
| 16:16.31 | Amarande | Similar to the reason why they don't just kill off a lot of the dead servers and let people from them simply move to their choice of the shrunken set (and, indeed, persist in trying to encourage people on high pop servers to move to dead servers, and new players to roll on dead servers) |
| 16:16.44 | p3lim | money is still money, independant on localization, as the cost of sub/game is normalized across eu and us |
| 16:17.00 | Amarande | p3lim: money as in needing to spend twice as much to play in both EU and US |
| 16:17.05 | Amarande | since you need accounts for both regions |
| 16:17.08 | p3lim | And since I already own the game, why would I need to own two subscriptions just to post on a forum? |
| 16:17.25 | Amarande | yeah, that's kind of silly, although the integration may be part of it (i.e., it posting as your WoW character) |
| 16:17.47 | p3lim | Its just a stupid way of handling it, they should have changed how the region/forum locks worked once battle.net was properly reintroduced |
| 16:18.07 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:18.10 | bluspacecow | bannanas ! |
| 16:18.22 | p3lim | I can post on the US diablo3 forums with my eu wow character if I wanted to |
| 16:18.26 | p3lim | and vice versa |
| 16:19.07 | Amarande | yeah, I'm really not sure of the reason, probably some side-effect of integration I'm guessing |
| 16:19.25 | bluspacecow | *iceblocks Amarande* |
| 16:19.34 | bluspacecow | Banana iceblock :P |
| 16:19.34 | Amarande | (whereas the "we don't kill off dead servers" thing is much more clearly money, because then they'd lose all that money that comes from people being on dead servers and wanting to transfer) |
| 16:19.43 | Amarande | did someone let Sindragosa in chat? :| |
| 16:20.01 | bluspacecow | *noms on Amarande* |
| 16:20.03 | bluspacecow | Candy! |
| 16:21.27 | Amarande | :| |
| 16:22.52 | p3lim | bluspacecow: Heh, that trick with the region actually worked |
| 16:23.00 | p3lim | But do you have access to the forums with a trial account? |
| 16:23.13 | bluspacecow | i haven't tested it |
| 16:23.16 | nevcairiel | i doubt it |
| 16:23.32 | bluspacecow | someone else posted that on a private forum i just throw it in a dropbox text firle jsut for you |
| 16:23.58 | p3lim | Only one way to find out |
| 16:24.22 | pompy | oh interesting ;) http://cdr.thebronasium.com/sub/apps/15390 |
| 16:24.22 | bluspacecow | *straps bungy cord onto feet* |
| 16:35.03 | karl_w_w | Amarande: no, the reason they don't close dead servers is it would kill wow overnight |
| 16:37.16 | bluspacecow | odddd caramel! |
| 16:37.21 | bluspacecow | *noms karl_w_w* |
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| 16:48.54 | Amarande | karl: what is meant by "closing dead servers" would be terminating some servers like those always-Low pop PvP servers barely anyone plays on, and give them a free transfer to another server |
| 16:49.10 | Amarande | except, then a lot of people would get free transfers when they'd rather charge them for it :) |
| 16:49.39 | nevcairiel | some people like low-pop servers, with cross-realm everything it can be somewhat relaxing |
| 16:50.19 | nevcairiel | running additional servers costs them a lot of money, i bet its more then the few transfers they get now and then |
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| 16:51.42 | Amarande | nev: yeah, some have speculated that the true reason for cross-realm is actually financial, in order to better consolidate server resources, rather than a perk for players :S |
| 16:52.58 | Amarande | hrm. |
| 16:53.04 | Amarande | WTB multiple hearthstone destinations |
| 16:53.33 | Amarande | yes, even as a mage, which means I'm already spoiled when it comes to instant travel. :P |
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| 16:54.47 | Amarande | As my guildie says ... they really DON'T grow up so fast. heh |
| 16:59.05 | karl_w_w | <Amarande> karl: what is meant by "closing dead servers" would be terminating some servers like those always-Low pop PvP servers barely anyone plays on, and give them a free transfer to another server <- I'm glad we agree? |
| 16:59.51 | karl_w_w | in other news, what we need is portal: hearthstone |
| 17:00.07 | karl_w_w | so we can port people to wherever we want |
| 17:00.12 | Amarande | heh |
| 17:00.22 | pompy | what we need is "Today's Deals" to be fixed ! :D |
| 17:00.29 | Amarande | mostly, it's that matter of working on the special faction mount (Wintersaber or Ravasaur) |
| 17:00.32 | karl_w_w | they're broken? |
| 17:00.36 | bluspacecow | todays deal |
| 17:00.45 | bluspacecow | pompy gets laid |
| 17:00.54 | Amarande | and the fact that the place you have to go to to do your daily for it becomes painfully remote once it's time to go to Outland and you set down your hearth there |
| 17:00.59 | Unkle | You know you're late in a game's life-cycle when what players want more than anything else is reduction of travel time to zero. |
| 17:01.14 | Amarande | well, even as a mage, it's several minutes of having to sit there on a flight path every day |
| 17:01.47 | Amarande | I could bind Everlook and rely on Teleport: Shattrath, but then I'd just have to sit on the flight paths back to Hellfire (which would be less time, but still ...) |
| 17:02.23 | pompy | karl_w_w: yeah todays deals are still yesterdays |
| 17:02.26 | Amarande | There's also the matter that I'll need my hearth for Northrend before I've either finished the wintersaber *or* reached 71 so I can teleport to Dala. :S |
| 17:02.33 | karl_w_w | Amarande: why would it ever be time to go to outland? |
| 17:02.39 | pompy | http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/4766/welcohosteam.png ha |
| 17:02.57 | karl_w_w | pompy: that's because today's are still today's |
| 17:03.12 | Amarande | karl: heh, what else would you do? just grind on dungeons and level 60 mobs till you can go to Northrend? |
| 17:03.28 | Amarande | (And I've also noticed that it seems since Cata green mobs have had their XP value drastically reduced, come to think of it ...) |
| 17:03.34 | zenzelezz | "I love the opening mostly because I can understand it yay Japanese wasn't a waist of my time !" ... well, I hope you're not a native English speaker |
| 17:03.39 | pompy | karl_w_w: theres supposed to be 2 sets available righ tnow |
| 17:03.41 | pompy | but theres just 1 |
| 17:03.47 | End_ | hm my bloodsail admiral's hat is broken on beta |
| 17:03.51 | pompy | just like all the previous days |
| 17:04.02 | karl_w_w | Amarande: what are you doing grinding a mount at level 60something |
| 17:04.19 | karl_w_w | <pompy> karl_w_w: theres supposed to be 2 sets available righ tnow <- according to who? |
| 17:04.22 | nevcairiel | pompy: i see a new set just now |
| 17:05.03 | Amarande | karl: the wintersaber, which works the same way as the horde ravasaur now |
| 17:05.21 | Amarande | it's 20 days of "summon baby mount which acts as a minipet and gives a daily" |
| 17:05.40 | Amarande | except that long before 20 days have passed, you level far beyond the zone where you do the dailies |
| 17:06.24 | Amarande | thus, you have to take a long flight path trip out to a remote corner of Kalimdor just to do one daily and then leave |
| 17:06.34 | olafski | the horror |
| 17:06.47 | olafski | you want a special mount, but you complain that you have to do something for it :) |
| 17:06.58 | Amarande | oh, the dailies are fun |
| 17:07.09 | Amarande | it's having to wait for the gryphon to get you to Winterspring that's not |
| 17:07.15 | pompy | nevcairiel: now i do |
| 17:07.26 | karl_w_w | my god |
| 17:07.29 | olafski | considering you're lvl 60+, you can fly there on your own :P |
| 17:08.02 | pompy | lol forgot 10am is the new day for them , durr |
| 17:08.43 | karl_w_w | so i see indie bundle, torchlight, quantum conundrum, dawn of war, arkham city, prince of persia, fable, evochron mercenary, and game not available in your region |
| 17:08.47 | karl_w_w | whats missing? |
| 17:08.59 | Amarande | looking at these deals, it's a pity that DA2 never made it to steam |
| 17:09.07 | karl_w_w | ooh look beat hazard in the indie bundle' |
| 17:09.32 | pompy | karl_w_w: Arma II |
| 17:09.35 | kd3 | torchlight, fable 3, batman arkham city, prince of persia, quantum condrum, bundle 10, evochron mercenary, dawn of war 2, arma 2 |
| 17:10.13 | karl_w_w | pompy: beat hazard complete go? |
| 17:11.13 | Amarande | I see evochron mercenary, indie bundle, torchlight, quantum conundrum, fable 3, arma 2, dawn of war 2, batman arkham city, and prince of persia |
| 17:11.30 | Amarande | karl: it seriously doesn't filter out the games that aren't available in your region from the ones that it features on the front page? :| |
| 17:11.30 | pompy | haha 70% off was the whole time event sale discount.. |
| 17:11.43 | pompy | still 70% as the daily deal, weird |
| 17:11.55 | Amarande | that's kind of lazy of valve :S |
| 17:12.04 | pompy | NEVERMIND again |
| 17:12.06 | pompy | :D |
| 17:12.17 | pompy | but yeah karl_w_w for $3.89! |
| 17:12.25 | pompy | well |
| 17:12.36 | pompy | i odnt need that bc i dont use itunes! i dont need that crap dlc to handle those files |
| 17:12.38 | Amarande | heh, what's really going to be fun with steam and such is if we ever invent viable low-cost space travel like, say, sci-fi stories tend to have |
| 17:12.40 | pompy | ;) |
| 17:13.14 | Amarande | where people will be regularly enroute between *planets*, flying over space owned by and having their network connection via relays owned by light only knows what country |
| 17:13.18 | karl_w_w | u dont have any aac files? what is wrong with you? |
| 17:13.24 | Amarande | and the poor thing will have to figure out if the game is available in your region :) |
| 17:13.51 | Elkano | funny how ArmA II is only getting 20%/40% when it was getting a full 50% in winter... ^^ |
| 17:13.53 | Amarande | "Your Region: An Escape Pod near Mars. Games available: None. Enjoy your wait for rescue ..." |
| 17:14.01 | pompy | karl_w_w: not that i know of, but i should get complete anyway.. beat hazard +ultra > the price of the complete |
| 17:14.02 | pompy | heh |
| 17:14.15 | AcidWeb | Elkano: im quite shocked they made any discount at all. |
| 17:14.29 | AcidWeb | ARMA2 is currently money printing machine |
| 17:14.52 | Amarande | I'm still not even quite sure what ARMA2 is, except that it appears to be a U.S. Military based game |
| 17:15.01 | Elkano | well, it was in the top sales for the whole week even though one could have expected more than 20% dicount... people sure are stupid |
| 17:15.01 | Amarande | anything like games like COD and the like? |
| 17:15.20 | AcidWeb | Amarande: That is milsim not FPS |
| 17:15.43 | karl_w_w | "With this download you can play non-DRM iTunes, mp4 and AAC files in Beat Hazard! The cost is to cover the per copy license fee needed for the patented AAC decoder." |
| 17:15.53 | karl_w_w | dude doesn't know you can get free decoders? |
| 17:15.59 | AcidWeb | Elkano: it is in top 5 for last month+ ;p |
| 17:16.05 | kd3 | not in the us, no |
| 17:17.11 | Arrowmaster | karl_w_w, is there a patent free decoder? |
| 17:17.28 | Arrowmaster | a lot of free decoders are still covered by patents |
| 17:19.26 | pompy | karl_w_w: Beat Hazard Complete acquired :D |
| 17:20.20 | olafski | 8 words and 3 of them are "like". You should work for Facebook, Amarande :] |
| 17:21.17 | pompy | http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/726171/borderlands-2-bonus-class-coming-2-3-months-after-launch/ |
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| 17:26.17 | Amarande | hrm. are city faction tabards working correctly in BC dungeons in MoP, BTW? |
| 17:26.26 | Amarande | apparently right now (live) they're not working right. |
| 17:27.36 | Amarande | they're only giving the extra rep with "Alliance" rather than the faction the tabard is for |
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| 17:32.43 | AcidWeb | somebody here have nonenglish mop beta client installed? |
| 17:33.15 | karl_w_w | Arrowmaster: http://blog.monogram.sk/janos/2009/03/08/monogram-aac-decoder-0960/ |
| 17:34.06 | karl_w_w | AcidWeb: why not just change the region on your own? :P |
| 17:34.11 | Arrowmaster | it might still be covered by patents |
| 17:34.36 | AcidWeb | karl_w_w: im planing that. Just asking here is faster than installing language pack ;p |
| 17:36.16 | Amarande | karl: keep in mind that GPL, BSD etc. are solely copyright licences |
| 17:36.32 | Amarande | they don't (except maybe one or two newer versions of GPL? not sure) have any effect on your rights wrt patents that may apply to the software |
| 17:36.54 | AcidWeb | oh language change was _fast_ |
| 17:37.09 | AcidWeb | GetSpecializationInfoByID() have localised output |
| 17:37.14 | karl_w_w | Amarande: what patents? :P |
| 17:37.14 | AcidWeb | Thank you Blizzard! |
| 17:37.25 | Amarande | not to mention, your country may or may not honour software patents |
| 17:38.12 | Amarande | despite the best efforts of the Obama administration to try to make the rest of the globe agree to US style IPR regimes :| |
| 17:38.39 | karl_w_w | right so it's obama's fault! |
| 17:41.36 | Amarande | heh, I'll say that between PIPA and ACTA, I'm definitely none too thrilled with the Democratic Party's thoughts for the future of technology. Not that the GOP doesn't have their faults, but at least (except for Lamar Smith, but it seemed that most of the SOPA House support was from the Dems too) they're not trying to kill the future of communications in its cradle for the sake of some |
| 17:41.36 | Amarande | megacorporates :S |
| 17:42.01 | Amarande | whereas the Democrats have been trying to kill digital freedom ever since Senator Exon proposed the original Communications Decency Act in the 90s, not to mention DMCA happened on Clinton's watch |
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| 17:43.25 | karl_w_w | "heh, I'll say that between PIPA and ACTA, I'm definitely none too thrilled with the Democratic Party's thoughts for the future of technology." well obama said he was going to veto it anyway, so I can only infer you think SOPA and PIPA were good things? |
| 17:44.54 | olafski | Amarande: the tabards work as intended |
| 17:47.41 | Amarande | karl: he was going to veto SOPA and PIPA, to be sure, but on the other hand, the support in the legislature for those was largely Democratic |
| 17:48.03 | Amarande | and there's thoughts that the reason he wanted to veto SOPA and PIPA is because he would rather push these things through at the treaty level (e.g., ACTA, TPP) |
| 17:48.49 | Amarande | a regular Federal law can be much more easily challenged Constitutionally (especially given that they wanted to all but eliminate due process), whereas a treaty is much more difficult to be rid of |
| 17:49.05 | Amarande | (Then again, this is the USA, where it seems so often that "treaty" means "we expect you to do all this but we really don't have to") |
| 17:52.43 | zenzelezz | hrm... so I upgraded to Slackware 13.37 recently; fresh install... haven't completely fixed the graphics drivers, but it runs for now. However, after reinstalling I have somehow started to get a little bit of ghosting on the screen - a few lines near the top of the screen, seemingly matching some of the horizontal lines from the windows. This did not at all happen before |
| 17:53.09 | karl_w_w | the USA's treaties apparently mean "we can invade NZ and abduct people for not commiting a crime while in NZ" |
| 17:54.35 | Amarande | karl: our extradition treaty with the UK is pretty bad, too. pretty much it means we can charge Englishmen with American crimes whenever we like, but if the English wanted to do the same to one of ours, we would probably just tell them kindly and respectfully that this is prime kite flying season. :| So sayeth the Guardian, anyway. |
| 17:57.54 | Amarande | But yeah, Obama appeared opposed to SOPA and PIPA, yet he was a prime force behind ACTA, and I seem to remember reading on the interwebs that an upcoming IPR treaty called TPP seemed to have many of the SOPA/PIPA ideas to it |
| 17:59.00 | mckenziemc | oh god |
| 17:59.02 | mckenziemc | wall of text |
| 18:00.29 | Amarande | It seems that it comes down to that the main lesson is that we shouldn't trust politicians in general. :S |
| 18:01.13 | zenzelezz | people haven't learned that for millennia, they won't learn now |
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| 18:09.12 | olafski | anyone know if I can properly bake a tuna steak while it's still half frozen? :$ |
| 18:09.31 | Amarande | olafski: you're baking it. there should be no need to thaw it out first |
| 18:09.31 | cbreak | I would not recommend it |
| 18:09.49 | Unkle | You want to thaw it first. |
| 18:10.00 | olafski | Amarande: I figure since I'll only be baking it for a few minutes, I should thaw it |
| 18:10.02 | Unkle | You don't want to crisp the outside and have ice in the center |
| 18:10.03 | olafski | since else the inside will be frozen |
| 18:10.05 | cbreak | maybe if you bake it at very low temperature |
| 18:10.13 | Amarande | ah, yeah, you're baking it for a short time, then yeah |
| 18:10.25 | Unkle | Fish cooks quickly. |
| 18:10.30 | Amarande | I was thinking more the typical "let it roast till it reaches the right internal temperature" thing |
| 18:10.31 | cbreak | but otherwise it'll be burnt outside and frozen inside :) |
| 18:10.40 | Amarande | where it wouldn't really matter *that* much what temperature you started at |
| 18:10.49 | cbreak | I don't think you can do that with fish |
| 18:11.17 | olafski | the inside needs to be sort of raw while the outside is nice and crispy.. but I don't think that'll work when it's not thawed =( oh well, guess I'll eat late today |
| 18:11.21 | olafski | should've thought this through :P |
| 18:11.58 | cbreak | well, if it's frozen, the insides will probably stay raw for quite some time :) |
| 18:12.02 | Unkle | I have a freezer full of stuff that's frozen still - because I forget to put it in the fridge to thaw before going to work. |
| 18:12.27 | olafski | cbreak: yeah.. but I do want the insides to not be frozen ;-) |
| 18:12.32 | nevcairiel | you have a freezer full of frozen stuff? you dont say :p |
| 18:13.59 | kd3 | that's a good thing |
| 18:14.05 | kd3 | I've seen freezers full of formerly frozen stuff |
| 18:14.09 | olafski | nevcairiel :) |
| 18:14.14 | kd3 | talk about not wanting to eat for a few days |
| 18:14.22 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 18:17.59 | Unkle | kd3: That was my apartment aft Hurricane Ike. |
| 18:18.10 | kd3 | yuk |
| 18:19.22 | Unkle | Yeah, no power for weeks? ICK. |
| 18:24.25 | karl_w_w | http://i45.tinypic.com/23laxe.png it's so pretty! |
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| 18:27.36 | Unkle | Enjoy it while it lasts, son. |
| 18:27.58 | karl_w_w | ok daddy |
| 18:28.00 | kullervo | ever heard of scheduled defrag? |
| 18:28.44 | karl_w_w | yes |
| 18:29.13 | karl_w_w | I heard they're stoopid |
| 18:31.04 | haste | doesn't Vista/7 online defrag while idle? |
| 18:31.24 | Unkle | haste: It's a setting. |
| 18:31.25 | karl_w_w | only if you don't disable the defrag service :) |
| 18:35.26 | nevcairiel | i wonder how fragmented my ssd is |
| 18:35.33 | nevcairiel | you know, not that it matters, just curiosity |
| 18:35.44 | nevcairiel | (because defrag disables itself on ssds) |
| 18:36.35 | Ackis | what's arma 2? a fps? |
| 18:36.46 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 18:37.11 | Ackis | it just seems hyped right now, wondering if I should get it |
| 18:37.24 | nevcairiel | i didnt like it |
| 18:37.27 | AcidWeb | Arma 2 is not very good. |
| 18:37.46 | AcidWeb | Everybody get it for DayZ now. |
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| 18:38.25 | Ackis | yeah I've heard of DayZ |
| 18:38.28 | karl_w_w | nevcairiel: you'll never know how fragmented your SSD is |
| 18:38.35 | nevcairiel | i could look! |
| 18:38.44 | karl_w_w | because the wear-levelling lies to the OS |
| 18:38.51 | karl_w_w | about where files are |
| 18:40.49 | Iriel | Isn't fragmentation in the traditional sense somewhat irrelevant for SSD's? |
| 18:40.57 | nevcairiel | it is |
| 18:41.13 | nevcairiel | but without any sort of defragmentation, i was just curious how it would look :D |
| 18:41.13 | karl_w_w | completely irrelevant yes |
| 18:42.33 | Iriel | Reminds me to make sure that the system installer didn't enable defrag on my SSD |
| 18:43.28 | Iriel | Yay, "Never run" |
| 18:43.48 | karl_w_w | "...with scissors" |
| 18:45.18 | Iriel | My experiences on windows make me want to put an SSD in my mac (and my mac laptop, but that ship sailed when I bought it really, i'll just wait until I replace it) |
| 18:45.56 | Ackis | arma 2 reminds me of BF1942 in a way |
| 18:45.58 | karl_w_w | bad news Iriel, it won't work |
| 18:46.03 | Unkle | SSD boot speeds = love. |
| 18:46.05 | karl_w_w | it'll still be a mac :( |
| 18:46.27 | Iriel | karl_w_w: All that sort of comment does is lower my opinion of anything else you might say 8-) |
| 18:46.28 | Unkle | karl_w_w: OS bigot |
| 18:46.45 | karl_w_w | Unkle: on that topic, windows 8 on my old hdd boots as fast as windows 7 on my ssd |
| 18:47.09 | Iriel | How fast does windows 8 on an SSD boot relative to windows 8 on a spinning disk? |
| 18:47.12 | Thunder_Child | Iriel: you mean it wasnt already rock bottom for him? |
| 18:47.12 | karl_w_w | Iriel: that's ok, the opinion of a mac owner does not trouble me :D |
| 18:47.23 | Iriel | I'm curious |
| 18:47.54 | Iriel | Since i'm surrounded by OSX, Windows, and Linux.. how come OSX seems to generate scorn? |
| 18:48.12 | Iriel | I would have thought I get score for EACH of those |
| 18:48.16 | nevcairiel | its usually the company, not the os :p |
| 18:48.19 | Iriel | not a demerit for a single one |
| 18:48.46 | Thunder_Child | nev has a point, i dont mind the OS but i find apple to be meh |
| 18:48.50 | Iriel | There's the whole "use the right tool for the job" thing, rather than "Love the hammer, ruin the screws" approach |
| 18:49.06 | Iriel | Apple are simultaneously awesome and annoying. |
| 18:49.07 | karl_w_w | <Iriel> How fast does windows 8 on an SSD boot relative to windows 8 on a spinning disk? <- I can't imagine it'd be that much different actually, i remember reading that windows 8 maintains some kind of saved state that it boots from |
| 18:49.15 | karl_w_w | it's just all there ready to go |
| 18:49.27 | Iriel | karl_w_w: does that include startup applications beyond the core OS? |
| 18:49.29 | nevcairiel | loading such a saved state still takes some time! |
| 18:49.49 | karl_w_w | no Iriel |
| 18:49.55 | Iriel | Certainly if they optimize the boot ready image on disk the only difference would be seek latency |
| 18:50.01 | Amarande | is windows 8 really an improvement over 7? |
| 18:50.03 | nevcairiel | i'll probably get win8 for testing on my ultrabook (which is ssd equiped), we'll see how it fares there |
| 18:50.05 | Iriel | and that's likely unnoticable by humans |
| 18:50.06 | nevcairiel | once it launches anyway |
| 18:50.17 | karl_w_w | nevcairiel: but you're reading it all sequentially off the disk, so it wouldn't be that much faster |
| 18:50.20 | Amarande | I'm still thinking the Start screen I've seen in test screenshots is ugly as all hell compared to the elegance of the desktop |
| 18:50.45 | Amarande | and also that the mobile-style app model (rather than the classical program model) is not appropriate for desktops |
| 18:50.49 | nevcairiel | karl_w_w: sequencial read on SSD = up to 500mb/s .. on HDD .. up to 100 or so :p |
| 18:51.10 | nevcairiel | granted the difference for random access is much higher |
| 18:51.30 | Amarande | also wondering how the transition to a mobile-style UI even on desktops is going to affect legacy games, too :| |
| 18:51.30 | karl_w_w | and so we go back to "windows 8 on my old hdd boots as fast as windows 7 on my ssd" |
| 18:51.31 | karl_w_w | :P |
| 18:51.56 | karl_w_w | <Amarande> also wondering how the transition to a mobile-style UI even on desktops is going to affect legacy games, too :| <- it isn't |
| 18:52.19 | kd3 | desktop mode is an app in metro, just fire it up, then your legacy game. no change at all as far as the game knows |
| 18:53.02 | Amarande | and what's even more difficult to figure out is how they can really unify desktop and mobile into the same interface anyway |
| 18:53.07 | karl_w_w | the one saving grace for win 8, is that when you get to your real desktop and have finally located your game to run it, once you're in game it's the same |
| 18:53.17 | Amarande | because there are certain actions you can do with a mouse that you can't do on a touchscreen, and things you do on a touchscreen that you can't do on a mouse |
| 18:53.41 | Amarande | unless they expect desktop users to give up their mice and switch to those godawful touch trackpads that laptops come with and usually result in laptop users deciding to purchase a mouse :P |
| 18:54.49 | Amarande | e.g., you can't really right click on a touchscreen, while you can't pinch on a mouse (unless you had two mice or something arcane like that), and long touch would be problematic (it would mean people would have to care how hard they click their mouse button, and would definitely interfere with dragging ... what's that, you clicked too long before dragging? sorry I thought you meant long |
| 18:54.49 | Amarande | click!) |
| 18:56.32 | Amarande | but basically, yeah. things that need longtouch/multitouch won't work right with mice, while things that need distinct buttons to click won't work on a touchscreen, so I'm not quite sure where they're even going with this "unifying tablets and desktops" paradigm :S |
| 18:57.06 | nevcairiel | right click = long touch, problem solved |
| 18:57.11 | mckenziemc | maybe you should stop wondering, and look into what they've done |
| 18:57.40 | Adys | http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/wxfjq/what_is_404/c5hbd4n?context=1 |
| 18:57.42 | Adys | just... |
| 18:57.55 | Adys | "... hang on, how do you get to a point where you can recognise that something looks like Java, without knowing what CSS is?" |
| 18:58.05 | Amarande | nev: yeah, that's true. so if you can do it on a mouse you can probably do it on a touchscreen, then |
| 18:58.19 | Amarande | however, how are mice going to handle things like multitouch, unless we're expected to get rid of mice over the years and learn to love trackpads |
| 18:58.41 | cbreak | Adys: Java and CSS have nothing to do with each other |
| 18:58.49 | Adys | Im.. aware |
| 18:58.51 | Unkle | Adys: These days, everything looks vaguely like Java |
| 18:59.04 | cbreak | maybe they got stuck in time before CSS became popular |
| 18:59.06 | olafski | I'm still not convinced the "app" thing will be right for desktop PC's either.. but other than that windows 8 seems ok =) |
| 18:59.06 | Amarande | or does MS just expect that desktops will go the way of the dodo except in business environments and that 99.9% of people at home will simply use tablets and the occasional laptop? |
| 19:00.07 | Amarande | which would be short sighted, since when I really think of the tech of it, it's mobile devices that will be severely endangered species in the future, unless quantum computers turn out to be practically viable |
| 19:00.11 | Unkle | The world is sort of toddling down that cul-de-sac right now. Kind of like we did with PowerPC and PentiumPro chips… |
| 19:01.07 | Amarande | We're at Ivy Bridge now, 22nm. In terms of the paradigm of shrinking down components on a same sized die (which is especially important for mobile devices because once you have to start enlarging the chips again, heat and power consumption become an increasing issue) |
| 19:01.32 | Stanzilla | I just had schnitzel |
| 19:01.37 | Amarande | it's currently thought that there's actually only ONE more generation of CPUs that can be done with silicon |
| 19:01.51 | Stanzilla | with potatoe salad |
| 19:01.55 | Thunder_Child | not everything tastes better hwne deep fired |
| 19:02.00 | Thunder_Child | fried* |
| 19:02.03 | Thunder_Child | when* |
| 19:02.18 | Amarande | after that, quantum effects caused by the fact that we're starting to bump up against atomic scale become an issue, and then probably a generation or so after that we're going to just plain hit the limits imposed by the fact that atoms only go so small :P |
| 19:02.33 | Unkle | Mobile devices are going to depend a lot more on powerl UI - like voice and non-touch, gesture based controls. Until then, mobile devices aren't going to really replace you desktop computer for content creation or "real" work. |
| 19:02.34 | Thunder_Child | olafski: i suspect the 'app' thing will be just fine. |
| 19:03.14 | Unkle | the "App" thing isn't that different from the desktop paradigm anyway. |
| 19:03.20 | Amarande | At 16nm, things will apparently still be much like Ivy Bridge. At 11nm, apparently III-V semiconductors become necessary because of electron tunnelling in silicon causing insoluble problems |
| 19:03.38 | Amarande | Past that, you're hitting atomic scale, which means that there's 1-3 generations left of shrinking components on the die, at maximum. |
| 19:04.16 | Amarande | If quantum computers don't become viable, after that it will start to be more or less impossible for mobile to keep up due to the heat and power issues caused by enlarging the chip ... and so the tablet must become obsolete and the desktop resurge |
| 19:04.20 | Stanzilla | I also used ketchup |
| 19:05.13 | Amarande | Don't forget that most III-V semiconductors are also deadly toxic. Not talking about the chemicals used to make them, I'm talking about the chip itself. :| |
| 19:05.40 | Unkle | Don't forget that new materials may change that - graphene for example. |
| 19:05.52 | nevcairiel | if you eat your phone, you deserve to die |
| 19:06.02 | Amarande | Unkle: yeah, but they won't affect the larger issue, which is that we don't have much further to go before the size of a single atom becomes the limiting factor |
| 19:06.54 | Unkle | Amarande: graphene will make height a factor in design - can go up as well as out. |
| 19:07.43 | Amarande | Unkle: I can't see that being viable in a mobile environment though |
| 19:07.57 | cbreak | Amarande: quantum computers are pointless for "mobile" |
| 19:07.58 | Amarande | The chief issue being that once you have to start expanding the die size, that's that much more heat and power consumption |
| 19:08.03 | cbreak | because they are not mobile. |
| 19:08.11 | Unkle | Amarande: I can. device thickness right now is mostly battery. lots of room iside still for taller chips |
| 19:08.24 | Amarande | Which you can afford to do on a desktop since you can just approve a new form factor to make more room for more cooling and a beefier PSU if necessary |
| 19:09.02 | Amarande | however, on a mobile, if you make the chip bigger, you're going to need to make the mobile device that much larger because 1) heat issues, and 2) you need a larger battery |
| 19:09.26 | cbreak | not really |
| 19:09.28 | Amarande | unless we're going to transition to a "post-mobile" idea where "mobile" will simply begin to mean "it can stay on long enough to move to a new wired source of power" |
| 19:09.35 | cbreak | all you need is a fast data line to the real CPU. |
| 19:09.55 | cbreak | just look at modern iPhone things |
| 19:10.02 | Amarande | which sadly seems like it might become the case in certain arenas, as battery life has not been improving particularly much across generations of portable devices |
| 19:10.15 | cbreak | they have something called "siri" but do not have the power for voice recognition |
| 19:10.16 | Amarande | look at e.g. the Nintendo DS Lite vs. 3DS, the battery in the latter lasts less than half as long |
| 19:10.19 | cbreak | how does it work anyway? |
| 19:10.24 | cbreak | by offloading it to a server |
| 19:10.58 | Amarande | cbreak: except the modern tendency of ISPs (at least in America, a vital market) is to limit total Internet usage a month |
| 19:11.10 | cbreak | silly... |
| 19:11.18 | Amarande | that would become a disaster with the idea you're thinking of |
| 19:11.19 | cbreak | limit to how much? |
| 19:11.28 | cbreak | it's already fact |
| 19:11.30 | Amarande | which sounds like basically transitioning to no longer having real home computing devices at all |
| 19:11.31 | cbreak | siri does work that way |
| 19:11.42 | Amarande | but rather to having home computing devices be merely thin clients for cloud apps |
| 19:11.53 | cbreak | that's the way it's going. |
| 19:11.57 | Iriel | Amarande: I wouldn't use nintendo as a barometer for intelligent hardware tradeoffs |
| 19:12.26 | Amarande | Iriel: laptop battery lives don't seem to have improved significantly over the years either, and let's not forget the PSP and its 2-3 hour or so battery life in active use |
| 19:12.28 | Unkle | ~iriel++ |
| 19:12.36 | Iriel | Amarande: You should buy apple |
| 19:12.42 | Iriel | Amarande: because mine have SIGNIFICANTLY improved |
| 19:12.51 | Amarande | and it doesn't seem that the Vita has improved in that arena either |
| 19:13.01 | nevcairiel | my new ultrabook lasts 12 hours or so on office workloads |
| 19:13.07 | Amarande | granted, it might be more appropriate for mobile apps to be cloud based, since you need a wireless connection anyway |
| 19:13.07 | nevcairiel | i think thats an improvement :p |
| 19:13.18 | cbreak | I don't last 12 hours on work... |
| 19:13.23 | nevcairiel | exactly! |
| 19:13.36 | Amarande | except, of course, for the fact that cell companies in particular tend to be stingy about data allotments |
| 19:13.37 | Iriel | I get 4-6 hours unless i'm pushing CPU or disk heavy loads |
| 19:14.35 | cbreak | I get the 3 hours per day I need it, and still have around 45% charge left. |
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| 19:15.17 | Unkle | The Chromebooks being cranked out by Samsug promise 6 or mour hours of battery life/charge. Macbooks and Windows based ultrabooks are promising about the same. |
| 19:15.45 | cbreak | the new retina mac book pro apparently come with a 95 Wh battery. |
| 19:15.55 | Amarande | currently, in order to get unlimited data on a mobile provider in the USA, you need to either use Sprint or one of the prepaid providers. |
| 19:16.03 | Unkle | Not going to lie. I want one just to have one. |
| 19:16.10 | Iriel | Or figure out what YOU really mean by "unlimited" |
| 19:16.22 | Iriel | Few people really need truly unlimited |
| 19:16.29 | Iriel | it's generally "sufficiently high cap I dont know it's there" |
| 19:16.58 | nevcairiel | i dunno how your caps work, but i have unlimited data as in i never have to pay extra, it just gets slower at a certain limit |
| 19:16.58 | Iriel | [Note: I consider most US mobile plans to be greedy and exploitative] |
| 19:17.01 | Amarande | T-Mobile throttles at some point. AT&T throttles at 3GB if you have unlimited, and unlimited data is only available to people who had such a plan before they removed it (since AT&T lets people keep plans that are no longer available to be selected by new users). Verizon actually eliminated even grandfathered unlimited. |
| 19:17.07 | cbreak | doesn't need unlimited, only 2TB/month or so |
| 19:17.08 | Iriel | Throttling is still unlimited |
| 19:17.14 | Iriel | Theoretically |
| 19:17.18 | Unkle | I have an older "unlimited" plan on my iPhone… and I rarely even hit 2GB of 3G usage. I live in a Wi-Fi rich environment and 3G is SHIT for data anyway. |
| 19:17.20 | Iriel | depending on where the throttle is set |
| 19:17.33 | Amarande | Iriel: in the US, mobile plans normally offer only a few (single-digit) gigs a month before overage fees (which can be something like 10 USD a gig) |
| 19:17.34 | Iriel | and of course, nothing is REALLY unlimited, there's a theoretical max given bandwidth and time |
| 19:18.00 | Amarande | if we're talking about a future paradigm where mobile devices become increasingly thin-client based and reliant upon the cloud (as was started with things like Siri) |
| 19:18.02 | nevcairiel | Mine throttles at 1GB, but its really cheap and i never hit the limit, so i didnt bother getting more |
| 19:18.07 | Iriel | Amarande: Indeed, which is why I have to pay as much for my mobile plan as I do for my home internet |
| 19:18.12 | Amarande | that could start to become what we like to affectionately call a "problem" |
| 19:18.41 | Iriel | Amarande: I actually think that could be a GOOD thing, if it happens intelligently |
| 19:18.54 | Amarande | basically, the more we push for the cloud, the more we place users and providers at permanent sixes and sevens :| |
| 19:19.01 | Iriel | Because consumers will REQUIRE constant bandwidth availability, and providers who dont get that will lose business |
| 19:19.21 | Iriel | and the providers will get out of their last-century pricing models and change |
| 19:19.34 | Iriel | (or, as likely, new providers will show up, exploit the gap, and kill the dinosaurs) |
| 19:19.43 | Amarande | yeah, apparently even Comcast is moving to an overages based scheme for their caps |
| 19:19.46 | Amarande | now if Charter would just follow suit :P |
| 19:20.05 | Iriel | [Obviously there's an infrastructure issue there, but all it takes is a couple of old timers to go bankrupt and sell their wire and towers at a bargain,plus some VC capital] |
| 19:20.19 | nevcairiel | you should just move to europe, mobile providers in the US are just like the worst in the western world :p |
| 19:20.30 | Iriel | yes well,I moved /from/ europe |
| 19:20.33 | Amarande | not that I'm sure we've ever hit 250GB in a month, but now that I have a PS3 and the family has a blu-ray player, and I'm back into WoW with its huge patches every now and again, I'd like to not have to worry about more than some extra charges |
| 19:20.34 | Iriel | so i'm sort of screwed here |
| 19:20.36 | Unkle | infrastructure is the big problem. |
| 19:20.42 | Iriel | [Sure, I could go back, but i'm _accustomed_ now] |
| 19:20.55 | Amarande | as is always the case with capped AT&T, and Comcast has finally decided overages are usage to be charged for rather than a TOS violation to be banned for |
| 19:21.01 | Unkle | Iriel: You've gone native. |
| 19:21.10 | Iriel | Yeah well, the SF bay area is addicting |
| 19:21.11 | Amarande | Charter, AFAIK, though, still considers overages to not be a service to be charged for, but a violation of the TOS that should be warned and suspended for |
| 19:21.14 | Iriel | addictive |
| 19:21.15 | Iriel | whatever |
| 19:21.29 | Iriel | I still call the trash can a bin |
| 19:21.47 | Unkle | Lots of great food. Lots of interesting people. FUCKED city government though. |
| 19:21.58 | Iriel | Yes well, I dont live in SF itself |
| 19:22.10 | Amarande | Unkle: It's California. Their entire government is currently held together with bubble gum and string. |
| 19:22.11 | Iriel | SF itself is a bit of a contradiction, with an abusive relationship with itself |
| 19:22.21 | Iriel | My city's government is fairly sane |
| 19:22.59 | Iriel | I do work in SF though, so the joys are evident (If I work at home I actually have to record those hours so we can avoid paying SF's freaky city taxes) |
| 19:23.00 | Unkle | I spent a lot of time there in the 80s, I liked it - but as time went on it got… stranger. |
| 19:23.22 | Amarande | Iriel: just make sure if you ever leave the state that they aren't stealing money from your bank account :| |
| 19:23.45 | Amarande | I read an article a while ago talking about how California has been known for stealing money out of people's bank accounts and alleging that it's for back taxes owed for years where they haven't even set foot in CA |
| 19:23.57 | mckenziemc | cool story bro |
| 19:24.03 | Amarande | and that they can grab it anytime, since there's no statute of limitations on not filing taxes, so they just allege that the person should have filed taxes |
| 19:24.05 | Iriel | Amarande: that sounds like a story with some signifcant "context" that's missing from the summary |
| 19:24.41 | Unkle | The best part of living in CA is the climate. |
| 19:24.53 | Iriel | Unkle: and the diverse geography |
| 19:25.00 | Thunder_Child | Unkle: depends where in CA |
| 19:25.01 | Iriel | Beach this way, yosemite that way, tahoe the other |
| 19:25.13 | Unkle | Ski, Surf, Desert, Mountains, all within driving distance. |
| 19:25.18 | Thunder_Child | i would rather be in SF due to it beeing cold and windy |
| 19:25.27 | Unkle | Thunder_Child: I grew up in SoCal. |
| 19:25.32 | mckenziemc | is fine with mountains. |
| 19:25.37 | Thunder_Child | Unkle: makes 2 of us |
| 19:25.57 | Amarande | Iriel: http://thesilicongraybeard.blogspot.com/2012/03/more-tales-from-over-regulated-state.html |
| 19:26.04 | Thunder_Child | I'm still going to go with "Fuck this heat" |
| 19:26.41 | Iriel | The 30 degree (17 deg C) difference between home and work on some days is amusing (from a 25 mile commute) |
| 19:27.14 | Unkle | TC-Work: My college dorm didn't have AC. I remember a summer that was punishinly hot. So bad that at 4am I hiked over to a buddy's apartment complex and went swimming to cool off. |
| 19:27.52 | Thunder_Child | Sleep in the library |
| 19:28.21 | Unkle | Here, not having A/C is a deathwish. |
| 19:32.09 | Iriel | shudders |
| 19:32.13 | Iriel | No AC here would be horrible |
| 19:32.30 | Amarande | Iriel: The impression I'm getting of that article is that California is so desperate for cash that they're coming up with pretexts to steal people's money and claim they owed it |
| 19:32.35 | Iriel | I count my blessings that the times my HVAC has failed have been in the winter |
| 19:32.57 | zenzelezz | what's the "HV" in HVAC? |
| 19:33.03 | Iriel | Amarande: The impression I get is that the blog has a serious agenda and is reporting an unreasonable and abusive INCIDENT as if it's policy |
| 19:33.04 | Amarande | zenz: heating/ventilation, I believe |
| 19:33.07 | mckenziemc | heating ventilation |
| 19:33.09 | kd3 | heating, ventilation, air conditioning |
| 19:33.10 | Iriel | zenzelezz: Heating, Ventilation |
| 19:33.16 | zenzelezz | ah |
| 19:36.10 | mckenziemc | no, AC! |
| 19:48.49 | Corrodias2 | armored core |
| 19:51.30 | Iriel | What's the deal with the escalation of random (presumably spam) steam invites? |
| 19:51.38 | Iriel | Are people achievement fishing or just being dicks? |
| 19:52.05 | zenzelezz | invites? |
| 19:52.36 | Iriel | Friend invites |
| 19:52.49 | Iriel | Random invites from people I do not know and have no connection with |
| 19:52.59 | zenzelezz | ah |
| 19:53.12 | zenzelezz | I don't get any of those, for good or bad |
| 19:53.53 | Iriel | Interesting |
| 19:54.10 | Iriel | I wonder if my steam ID is close to some other person with a bizarre collection of friends who can't type clearly |
| 20:02.38 | Ackis | Iriel: I've been getting those as well, I've assumed they're just spam |
| 20:03.19 | Iriel | Ackis: Yeah - glad i'm not alone in getting them |
| 20:21.56 | Stanzilla | Fisker nevcairiel which version of MEI are you guys running? |
| 20:22.36 | Amarande | eyeing steam sales, also considering getting DA2 for my PS3 on PSN, though |
| 20:23.07 | nevcairiel | Stanzilla: latest of course |
| 20:23.08 | zenzelezz | personally I found DA2 disappointing |
| 20:23.26 | nevcairiel | or whatever was latest when i installed |
| 20:23.27 | Stanzilla | nevcairiel: 8.0 or 8.1 (beta)? |
| 20:23.49 | Gnarfoz | wtf is mei |
| 20:24.04 | nevcairiel | 8.0.4 apparently |
| 20:24.09 | Stanzilla | intel management engine |
| 20:24.11 | Stanzilla | ok |
| 20:24.32 | Stanzilla | latest 8.0 is 8.0.13 methinks |
| 20:24.33 | Gnarfoz | is that one of those crap drivers I didn't install? |
| 20:24.44 | Stanzilla | it's important |
| 20:24.48 | nevcairiel | its one of the drivers you should install |
| 20:25.09 | Gnarfoz | I guess I did, at least an "Intel Management Engine Interface" shows up in device manager |
| 20:25.17 | nevcairiel | then you did |
| 20:25.25 | nevcairiel | would be some unknown device there if you didnt |
| 20:25.28 | Gnarfoz | why is it awesome? |
| 20:25.32 | Gnarfoz | does it make coffee? |
| 20:26.24 | zenzelezz | speaking of crap drivers... got my new motherboard recently, installed it, set it up... was bluescreening left and right. Eventually I found out it was the SATA-6 driver for two of the ports (motherboard has 2x2 6-ports... two Intel, two something-crap-that-bluescreened) |
| 20:26.30 | zenzelezz | god was that infuriating to debug |
| 20:28.00 | Amarande | what mobo? |
| 20:29.03 | zenzelezz | Asus P8Z68-V |
| 20:29.22 | Amarande | ah |
| 20:29.29 | nevcairiel | thats the board i have, but i never tried to use the non-intel sata ports |
| 20:29.30 | Amarande | I recommend the Intel DZ68DB lately |
| 20:29.41 | zenzelezz | nevcairiel: I shouldn't have :-p |
| 20:30.05 | zenzelezz | I didn't look at which I used, just put the cables in the first ports |
| 20:30.12 | nevcairiel | these days, i would get a Z77 anyway instead of Z68 |
| 20:30.43 | zenzelezz | got the motherboard as a part of an "upgrade package", CPU+RAM+motherboard |
| 20:31.29 | zenzelezz | that motherboard, Core i5-2500K quad, 8 GB Kingston blah-blah |
| 20:31.40 | zenzelezz | could've gone for better, but it was just easier |
| 20:31.47 | zenzelezz | and still an upgrade to my old one |
| 20:34.12 | olafski | ..hm.. at least the tuna was worth the wait.. 10.30PM but now I can finally enjoy this :p |
| 20:40.57 | olafski | sorry for killing the conversation :$ |
| 20:42.51 | zenzelezz | you didn't |
| 21:02.10 | Fisker | how do you see Stanzilla ? |
| 21:03.04 | Fisker | pls Stanzilla |
| 21:03.16 | Fisker | btw i found out of something awesome |
| 21:03.36 | Fisker | installing the intel ethernet drivers doesn't update the driver, only the software |
| 21:03.57 | nevcairiel | usually updated the driver for me, noticeable by losing irc connection for a short time :p |
| 21:04.18 | Stanzilla | had to uninstall that software because it's plain shit |
| 21:04.20 | Stanzilla | and Fisker |
| 21:04.24 | Stanzilla | check driver version |
| 21:04.34 | nevcairiel | i never installed the full software |
| 21:04.49 | nevcairiel | i dont think its even on by default in the installer :d |
| 21:05.25 | Fisker | 8.1.0.1252 |
| 21:05.46 | Stanzilla | ok |
| 21:05.48 | Fisker | where's the full software then? |
| 21:08.26 | Fisker | i lol'd btw |
| 21:09.05 | Fisker | some guy argued that Xbox Live was the greatest gaming network because even though they and Steam are very close in terms of accounts Microsoft had way more accounts compared to amount of consoles out there |
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| 21:14.11 | Fisker | i hate you Stanzilla |
| 21:14.19 | Stanzilla | why this time |
| 21:14.30 | Fisker | read |
| 21:14.52 | Stanzilla | I did |
| 21:15.34 | Fisker | answer then Stanzilla |
| 21:16.12 | Stanzilla | I don't know, had it on my vendor cd |
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| 21:39.11 | _Iriel | What's a good online source for Custom ethernet cables? |
| 21:39.32 | Amarande | hmm. newegg doesn't cut it? |
| 21:39.40 | _Iriel | it might |
| 21:40.04 | _Iriel | I ideally want some 35 and 40 foot cables |
| 21:40.09 | Amarande | they do sell bulk cat6 |
| 21:40.12 | _Iriel | 25 is too short, 50 seems overkill |
| 21:40.56 | Amarande | then there's this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812107842 |
| 21:41.01 | Amarande | unless cat5e's not good enough and you need cat6 |
| 21:41.55 | Amarande | if you need cat6, then http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812200937 |
| 21:42.14 | _Iriel | yeah, they have a bunch of reasonably priced 35 foot ones |
| 21:42.18 | _Iriel | No 40's sadly, I can make do |
| 21:44.21 | mckenziemc | make your own? |
| 21:44.45 | _Iriel | mckenziemc: I'm lazy, and I dont have the test equipment to verify them |
| 21:46.51 | mckenziemc | heh, firefox is using about half the memory i would expect chrome to use with the same number of tabs |
| 21:49.08 | Thunder_Child | are all the tabs empty? |
| 21:51.35 | _Iriel | Newegg it is |
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| 22:04.09 | mckenziemc | Thunder_Child: nope |
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| 22:22.05 | Fisker | punches Stanzilla |
| 22:25.32 | mckenziemc | stabs Fisker. |
| 22:27.28 | Thunder_Child | mckenziemc: then it is a pointless comparison |
| 22:29.07 | mckenziemc | what |
| 22:31.48 | Thunder_Child | mckenziemc: the content in the tabs is what makes it vary |
| 22:32.08 | mckenziemc | i know |
| 22:32.23 | Thunder_Child | then if they dont have the same, it's a pointless comparison |
| 22:32.26 | mckenziemc | but assuming the type of content in the tabs i open if roughly random, it's not pointless |
| 22:33.02 | mckenziemc | definitely not accurate, but not pointless either |
| 22:33.10 | Thunder_Child | random only works if you have a large enough crossection |
| 22:33.38 | mckenziemc | in rigourous testing yes |
| 22:33.55 | Thunder_Child | it's pointless if you are trying to get a valid answer |
| 22:34.00 | mckenziemc | in noting an observation that could lead to more rigourous testing, no |
| 22:34.06 | Thunder_Child | might as well just be making up statistics |
| 22:34.14 | mckenziemc | no |
| 22:34.27 | mckenziemc | because i'm not making a statement about it being better |
| 22:34.31 | mckenziemc | i'm saying it looks like it |
| 22:34.47 | Thunder_Child | but you did use expectations |
| 22:35.04 | mckenziemc | point? |
| 22:35.11 | Thunder_Child | yes it is, thank you. |
| 22:35.48 | mckenziemc | i'm using intuition, which is prone to be wrong, but can also lead to more valid comparisons |
| 22:36.22 | Thunder_Child | i dont think it could lead to a 'more valid comparison' |
| 22:36.30 | Thunder_Child | equal to maybe |
| 22:36.34 | mckenziemc | then you don't have much imaginatios |
| 22:36.37 | mckenziemc | n |
| 22:37.02 | Unkle | home time. |
| 22:37.39 | mckenziemc | i dont' have the tools, if they even exist, but i could in fact make some more accurate comparisons with them |
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| 22:39.08 | mckenziemc | eg. saving multiple sessions over time from one browser, then opening the same session in the other browser and leaving it for a while (also testing with/without noscript) -- anecdotal, but the point isn't to make a comparison about every situation, it's abotu which is better for me :) |
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| 22:40.45 | sylvanaar | does anyone know where I can get a copy of clique that works on beta? |
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| 22:52.56 | Gragagrogog | wowinterface |
| 22:53.23 | sylvanaar | that one hasnt been updated it says since last yer |
| 22:53.37 | Thunder_Child | beta section? |
| 22:53.44 | sylvanaar | there isnt one there |
| 22:54.08 | sylvanaar | at least under the name cladhaire |
| 22:57.11 | Gragagrogog | here then http://plusheal.com/forum/m/1833799/viewthread/3535780-mop-ready-addons |
| 22:58.20 | Gragagrogog | which links to wowinterface :D |
| 22:59.10 | sylvanaar | oh, there is an "other files' section |
| 22:59.13 | sylvanaar | i see |
| 22:59.14 | sylvanaar | thank you |
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| 23:17.02 | Fisker | wqmad? |
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| 23:31.37 | Amarande | hrm. so apparently SSDs aren't as win and awesome as the hype makes them out to be? :| |
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| 23:31.54 | Amarande | I keep reading about frequent drive failures and the need to run them alongside a traditional hard drive |
| 23:38.17 | Gragagrogog | hmm, that depends... |
| 23:38.51 | mckenziemc | well you don't want to run a system with just an SSD... |
| 23:39.05 | mckenziemc | write speeds are slow and lots of writing wears out the drive |
| 23:39.13 | mckenziemc | erase speeds* are slow |
| 23:44.52 | Amarande | and given the advantage of SSD for gaming loading in particular, some game developers like ArenaNet had better have changed their tune since GW1 or they're going to start getting lots of angry players, heh |
| 23:45.35 | Amarande | if I ever get a SSD, GW1 certainly isn't going on it :P |
| 23:45.55 | Amarande | that game will probably kill a SSD faster than almost any non-rogue-recorder application, just from knowing how it stores data :S |
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| 23:49.50 | Amarande | I wonder if there are still any other games that use that fairly dinosaur storage system |
| 23:50.20 | Amarande | (GW1 stores absolutely everything in that one GW.DAT file, which is hell on anything that uses flash memory since it'd be writing the whole 6GB file back out every time *anything* has to be updated) |
| 23:53.05 | Kaylin | that sounds insane |
| 23:53.23 | mckenziemc | not the whole 6 GB |
| 23:53.29 | olafski | also sounds unlikely |
| 23:54.26 | Iriel | Operating systems dont work that way |
| 23:54.33 | Iriel | Filesystems are block based |
| 23:54.38 | Iriel | theblocks that change get re-written |
| 23:55.05 | Iriel | There's little difference between that approach and a VM using a virtual disk image |
| 23:55.51 | Iriel | the downside for GW doing it that way is that it's second guessing the OS'es ability to manage the data better, the flipside of that being that the OS may not be tuned to the SPECIFIC application. |
