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| 01:29.08 | Kaylin | woo webcam, cybertimes nao |
| 01:30.23 | mckenziemc | o.o |
| 01:30.50 | Kaylin | O_O |
| 01:39.11 | Adys | .......... |
| 01:39.56 | Adys | "if envdict.get("ordering", "XDEFAULTVALUE") != "XDEFAULTVALUE"" |
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| 02:43.01 | Guillotine | Torhal|work: 1) Not Mac specific. 2) Your CRC code (assuming that's where you're getting that bug) would have been broken on live as well. It just would have resulted in bad CRC hashes instead of crashes. The bit library uses 32-bit integers and you're blowing over the max integer value. |
| 02:44.35 | Torhal | Guillotine: Actually, someone in #wowace just told me that get_crc() outputs similar values on live and Beta, which leads them to believe it's failing in the format() call |
| 02:45.50 | Torhal | But I'll check out the code tomorrow. I appreciate the feedback. |
| 02:46.11 | Guillotine | Torhal: Ah, ok. Then the string formatting was probably incorrect on live :P |
| 02:46.37 | Torhal | Heh, yah, if it's overflowing an int definitely. |
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| 02:50.41 | Guillotine | Torhal: Let me know if you find anything that indicates it's a deeper issue :) As is though, we aren't going to do much about getting bitlib to support more than 32 bit numbers or %x formatting to support more than 32 bit numbers. |
| 02:51.17 | Torhal | Guillotine: I wouldn't expect that - even Lua 5.2's native bit lib only does 32 bits AFAIK |
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| 02:53.13 | Guillotine | Torhal: Yup |
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| 04:15.04 | bluspacecow | @Cairenn http://www.quiterly.com/9530/brainfreeze |
| 04:15.26 | Arrowmaster | old |
| 04:15.39 | Cairenn | hehehehe |
| 04:15.39 | Arrowmaster | was on reddit earlier in the week |
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| 04:23.06 | jeffy162 | Looks more like "MORE, please!". |
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| 04:59.11 | Arrowmaster | http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2012/07/05/louisiana-republican-when-i-voted-for-state-funds-to-go-to-religious-schools-i-didnt-mean-muslim-ones/ |
| 05:19.05 | Fisker | hey Arrowmaster |
| 05:19.08 | Fisker | not so hey bluspacecow |
| 05:19.19 | bluspacecow | :| |
| 05:24.15 | Arrowmaster | now thats a vending machine http://i.imgur.com/iItDe.jpg |
| 05:26.34 | pompy | which is it!? 2.5 mins or 3 mins? |
| 05:26.35 | pompy | http://www.letspizza.co.uk/ |
| 05:37.06 | Fisker | hey pompy |
| 05:38.15 | pompy | hey |
| 06:04.00 | Arrowmaster | http://imgur.com/a/VmJIY i wonder of romain or kimi got to drive that around the track |
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| 08:16.50 | karl_w_w | i like big rainwater tanks and I cannot lie |
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| 09:10.53 | karl_w_w | Opposition Leader Tony Abbott has proclaimed that Australia doesnt need the National Broadband Network project and the billions being invested in the initiative would be better spent on our roads, our rail and our ports under a Coalition Government. |
| 09:11.20 | karl_w_w | groans |
| 09:11.33 | Humbedooh | don't forget the children and the elderly! |
| 09:12.19 | karl_w_w | this guy wants to be prime minister |
| 09:12.25 | karl_w_w | yet he doesnt know how the budget works |
| 09:12.58 | karl_w_w | for those who dont know, the NBN is an investment not a budget expense like roads and such |
| 09:13.35 | karl_w_w | correction, he doesnt just want to be prime minister, he is going to be prime minister on current polling |
| 09:16.45 | bluspacecow | @karl_w_w wegottabadasshere.jpg |
| 09:18.10 | karl_w_w | tbh i hope he keeps saying the same crap |
| 09:18.14 | mckenziemc | hey greenspacecow |
| 09:18.26 | karl_w_w | then he'll lose a 3rd election in a row because of the same issue |
| 09:20.07 | bluspacecow | oh hai mckenziemc |
| 09:30.28 | mckenziemc | now you're goldspacecow |
| 09:31.23 | bluspacecow | yay! |
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| 10:36.06 | Adys | Arrowmaster: http://www.reddit.com/r/google/comments/w3aj3/new_game_gmail_chicken/ |
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| 11:44.39 | karl_w_w | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbT-cW8Zb7o genius! |
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| 14:57.03 | Lopeppeppy | dances with Unkle. |
| 14:57.48 | Unkle | dances with Lopeppeppy. 1, 2, 3, dip! |
| 14:58.02 | Lopeppeppy | Oooh la la! |
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| 16:15.35 | Jamash | I know the forums are a wildly skewed sample of (mostly) disgruntled players, but why do so many "hardcore" raiders define their fun in terms of what other people get to do, not what they themselves get to do? |
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| 16:21.22 | Lopeppeppy | Because they already got to do it. And if anyone else gets to do it, that somehow "cheapens" their experience of it. Since they went first they're better, blah blah. |
| 16:22.11 | Torhal|work | "I spent all this time doing X so that Y would happen, and these bastards just get to waltz in and Y is ready for them!" |
| 16:22.18 | Torhal|work | Pretty much that. |
| 16:25.50 | Lopeppeppy | Yup. |
| 16:26.19 | Jamash | Demanding that other people be locked out so that the hardcore can get their epeen jollies seems like a kind of pve griefing to me. |
| 16:26.56 | Amarande | I wonder if they're trying to find some justification for "Now we have to keep paying for WoW and there isn't anything new for us to do, you should keep the content flowing so we keep having new stuff to do even if that means the other players don't get a shot at this stuff while it's current" :| |
| 16:27.16 | Unkle | Because everyone wants to sleep with a talented hooker - but only on her first day on the job. :P |
| 16:27.36 | Amarande | I am surprised that Blizzard ever throws them a bone, though. WotLK was a subscription peak, while Cata, an attempt to return to BC level difficulty, saw a significant drop in subscriptions well before SW:TOR even came out. |
| 16:28.29 | Jamash | Wrath was the only time I beat the last raid before the next expansion |
| 16:28.39 | Amarande | I have to wonder if the world revamp was a decidedly two-edged thing for Blizzard there too ... On the one hand, the new zones are just wonderful, especially places like EPL |
| 16:28.49 | Jamash | for that reason and others, I found it the best, most enjoyable expansion |
| 16:29.13 | Amarande | On the other hand, it meant that most of the content was for new characters, meaning existing subscribers who had maxed out all their characters probably felt there was relatively little at-level content for them to do by comparison |
| 16:29.13 | Adys | Dagmar: this is fucked up; I have a host that i cannot connect to with ssh if i have ServerAliveInterval set |
| 16:29.23 | Adys | Dagmar: it just says Connection to 72.52.178.54 timed out while waiting to read |
| 16:29.27 | Jamash | cata heroics were overtuned, not fun, and killed my guild before we even started trying to raid |
| 16:29.37 | Amarande | yeah, I never even had that much trouble with BC heroics |
| 16:29.55 | Jamash | pre-bc-heroic nerfs or post? |
| 16:30.09 | Amarande | mostly post, but even the one or two I got to do during BC didn't seem to be anywhere near as hard as Cata's were when they were new |
| 16:30.12 | Jamash | I remember pre-nerf pulls that required 3 to 4 CCs |
| 16:30.20 | Jamash | in BC |
| 16:30.20 | Unkle | Lauch-month BC heroics were BRUTAL. |
| 16:30.23 | Jamash | ^ |
| 16:30.31 | nevcairiel | BC heroics were brutal but awesome |
| 16:30.39 | Amarande | there may already have been some nerfing by then though, since "during BC" for me was the 2.3-2.4 phase |
| 16:30.40 | Jamash | s/ but awesome// |
| 16:30.59 | Amarande | I first came to WoW during 2.2, 2.3 came out before I had leveled significantly |
| 16:30.59 | Unkle | To the point where most of my guild at the time just ran normals over and over and over and over… |
| 16:31.29 | nevcairiel | Unkle: so did most of my guild, and since we didnt really go raiding yet, we still had something fun adn challenging to do while everoyne else was playing catch-up |
| 16:31.34 | nevcairiel | it was great |
| 16:31.40 | Jamash | The only good thing about the difficulty of heroic BC dungeons on release was the palpable sense of relief when they got nerfed |
| 16:31.55 | durcyn | wasn't that bad if you benched melee forever |
| 16:31.56 | Amarande | Jamash: you mean the gaming equivalent of RIAA style negotiations? :) |
| 16:32.00 | Unkle | nevcairiel: Yeah, I leveled 3 toons to max before anyone was really doing heroics regularly. |
| 16:32.02 | durcyn | 360 degree cleaves? get shit on, rogues |
| 16:32.06 | Jamash | sure, why not |
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| 16:32.24 | Amarande | "Demand everything, so when you get something big but considerably lesser people feel relieved!" |
| 16:32.36 | nevcairiel | we did all heroics with a rogue, sure, she didnt like the cleave, but it was fun nonetheless |
| 16:32.40 | Unkle | and the TIME FOR FUN boss? Rogue kills healer and any caster. |
| 16:32.49 | Amarande | Ahhh, Blackheart |
| 16:32.55 | Amarande | Probably the only boss that gets harder the better your gear :) |
| 16:32.59 | Jamash | I'm glad that they're adding challenge modes so heroics can be less ridonkulous but people can still get their EXTRA HARD MODE jollies |
| 16:33.04 | karl_w_w | <Jamash> Demanding that other people be locked out so that the hardcore can get their epeen jollies seems like a kind of pve griefing to me. <- wow you went from A straight to C there |
| 16:33.26 | nevcairiel | shattered halls time-run pre-nerf, now that was great fun |
| 16:33.27 | Amarande | Granted, there's one thing to be said for attunements. |
| 16:33.40 | Jamash | karl_w_w: B is "defining your fun in terms of other people's not fun is griefing" |
| 16:33.49 | Amarande | Attunements mean you have to run your paces and show that you're actually intimately familiar with your class before you are allowed to play in the pros |
| 16:33.53 | nevcairiel | we actually 2-healed that dungeon, and still made it :P |
| 16:33.59 | Unkle | At least you knew that people who got the keys were "ready" |
| 16:34.13 | karl_w_w | Jamash: who says they are doing that? |
| 16:34.15 | Jamash | attunements were cool but not because they prevented progress |
| 16:34.41 | Jamash | karl_w_w: the people who go on the forums and bitch about how their accomplishments are meaningless because someone else completed the same raid later on after the nerf |
| 16:34.46 | Amarande | Attunements *did* serve as a means of filtering out poorly skilled players, which helped delay crap like MGI's products for another expansion or so |
| 16:34.50 | karl_w_w | yes |
| 16:34.53 | nevcairiel | attunements were cool because you felt like playing an introduction to the raid |
| 16:34.59 | Jamash | ^ |
| 16:35.01 | karl_w_w | and who says that has anything to do with the other person? |
| 16:35.05 | nevcairiel | i never was in a situation where i had to catch-up on attunements later, though |
| 16:35.25 | Jamash | karl_w_w: "I'm not having fun if you're progressing" means "I'm not having fun if you're having fun" |
| 16:35.26 | Unkle | Actually - Attuenments sucked. Long quest lines to get keys, or drops, basically meant you saw the same content 25 times before your raid was ready. And heaven help you if a tank or healer decided to leave the game or to a more progressed guild. |
| 16:35.41 | Jamash | ergo, griefing |
| 16:36.04 | nevcairiel | no attunement was really that long |
| 16:36.06 | Jamash | I like long quest lines, but not mandatory ones |
| 16:36.09 | Jamash | ONYXIA |
| 16:36.12 | Jamash | BITCH |
| 16:36.14 | znf | Shadowed, should I not be able to use latest SUF Alpha on Live? :-/ |
| 16:36.20 | Amarande | In WotLK on the other hand, you had no restrictions on who could go to raids, which after many disgruntled PUG failures led to toxic environments like increasingly few raid leaders accepting players unless they met obscene levels of overgearedness |
| 16:36.24 | karl_w_w | and how about "my feeling of accomplishment is stripped away when the thing to be accomplished is stripped away"? |
| 16:36.24 | Shadowed | I hate you people who don't read changelogs |
| 16:36.26 | Shadowed | and blindly install |
| 16:36.32 | nevcairiel | BC attunements just felt annoying because they were hard :P |
| 16:36.35 | Shadowed | stupid curse client |
| 16:36.36 | Jamash | tell me onyxia and kara weren't long attunements and I will tell you that you are insane |
| 16:36.36 | Amarande | And Master Games International, Inc. was only too happy to introduce addons to promote this toxic environment |
| 16:36.57 | znf | Shadowed, obviously have Curse to use Alpha by default :) |
| 16:37.06 | Unkle | Shadowed: Come to the Dark Side. Let your hate flow. It will make you POWERFUL! |
| 16:37.07 | Amarande | I liked the Kara key chain. I don't remember if I ever did the Onyxia one. |
| 16:37.08 | Arrowmaster | kara had an attunement? i cant even remember it anymore |
| 16:37.14 | Jamash | karl_w_w: are you arguing for yourself or playing devil's advocate? |
| 16:37.21 | durcyn | it had a key, not an attunement |
| 16:37.23 | nevcairiel | Arrowmaster: not everyone had to do it, just someone had to get the key |
| 16:37.24 | karl_w_w | bit of both really |
| 16:37.30 | karl_w_w | im not a hardcore raider |
| 16:37.36 | Amarande | The whole elitist argument breaks down pretty easily |
| 16:37.38 | Arrowmaster | oh then i must have did it but dont remember |
| 16:37.55 | Jamash | If you killed a boss pre-nerf, that is your accomplishment |
| 16:37.58 | Amarande | I mean, if they made American football stupidly easy to win, would it cheapen the Giants' triumph over the 18-0 Patriots a few years ago? |
| 16:38.01 | Unkle | I had the kara key, I had all the heoric keys, I had the attunment to all the raids, I had the stupid fucking urn to summon the dragon in kara. HATED IT. |
| 16:38.10 | karl_w_w | <Amarande> The whole elitist argument breaks down pretty easily <- break it down then |
| 16:38.11 | Jamash | someone else killing the same boss post-nerf has absolutely no bearing on your accomplishment |
| 16:38.16 | Jamash | whatsoever |
| 16:38.18 | karl_w_w | lol |
| 16:38.19 | karl_w_w | ahahahah |
| 16:38.23 | karl_w_w | if that was true |
| 16:38.24 | Jamash | if you think it does, there's something wrong with you |
| 16:38.27 | karl_w_w | the argument wouldnt exist |
| 16:38.41 | Amarande | For that matter, would it cheapen Eli Manning's Super Bowl rings one bit, given that he had to win them against one of the toughest possible opponents both times? |
| 16:38.46 | Jamash | yes, the argument exists because there's something wrong with some hardcore raiders |
| 16:38.50 | Unkle | At least I didn't have to finish the Tempest Keep unlocking quest before they removed attunements. |
| 16:38.50 | karl_w_w | that's pretty self-important of you to say Jamash |
| 16:38.53 | Lopeppeppy | Well, yes, Jamash, but Entitlement Whine Babies don't agree with you. That's the other side of the coin. |
| 16:38.53 | Jamash | thank you |
| 16:38.55 | Jamash | Itry |
| 16:39.02 | Amarande | Actually, sports teams are probably a very good parallel. |
| 16:39.09 | Jamash | s/t/ t/ |
| 16:39.24 | Jamash | Lopeppeppy: The way I see it, both sides feel entitled. |
| 16:39.30 | Amarande | Will it cheapen victories against the Tom Brady Patriots when, some time down the line, Brady retires and the Pats go back to sucking like they did before they got him? |
| 16:39.40 | nilyaK | imma rogue, bosses cleave me, it's hot. |
| 16:39.51 | Amarande | Nope, Eli's Super Bowl rings will still be as notable as ever. |
| 16:39.56 | karl_w_w | stand behind boss nilyaK |
| 16:39.57 | Jamash | Casuals feel entitled to progress, (some) hardcore feel entitled to down content that nobody else can down |
| 16:40.18 | karl_w_w | it's blizzard's fault |
| 16:40.23 | karl_w_w | BC was fine |
| 16:40.33 | nilyaK | I do, tanks in heroics play spin the dragon, it's really not the same game as spin the bottle, dispite the similar name. |
| 16:40.33 | Jamash | the difference is that casuals want something for themselves and the idiot hardcore want something at someone else's expense |
| 16:40.35 | karl_w_w | then they changed how things work and broke it all |
| 16:40.39 | Amarande | Granted, it's something of a tradition in an RPG for there to be at least one or two uber difficult bosses that make everything else look like child's play |
| 16:40.57 | Amarande | Consider, say, just about every console RPG out of Japan |
| 16:41.08 | karl_w_w | Jamash: the difference is casuals want to do everything without putting the effort in |
| 16:41.19 | Jamash | in my personal opinion, that makes the casual's sense of entitlement valid (I want what I paid for), and the hardcore's sense of entitlement invalid (I want to prevent someone else getting what they paid for) |
| 16:41.34 | Amarande | The difference that makes a problem with MMOs is that JRPGs don't have updates and gear resets and the like, so everyone who cares to develop the skill eventually gets to beat the boss under the challenge level it was designed for |
| 16:41.50 | Amarande | OTOH, with MMOs, yesterday's uber boss quickly becomes ... yesterday's news |
| 16:41.55 | nilyaK | meh I disagree, casuals simply don't play for 5 hours a day. They can still even like grinds, though I think most would prefer difficulty > grinding. |
| 16:42.01 | Jamash | it has nothing to do with what the players want, per se, it's the outrage over what someone else gets to do that bothers me |
| 16:42.08 | Amarande | And sometimes it can take ages to beat one of those uber bosses. |
| 16:42.22 | Amarande | From the JRPG angle, for instance, I never did beat Hitoshura or Satan. |
| 16:42.23 | Torhal|work | Jamash: The issues I saw was people doing something that actually WAS an achievement, and then Blizzard taking away the achievement part hwile it was still CURRENT content. |
| 16:42.28 | Jamash | and that's why I call it griefing |
| 16:42.46 | Jamash | fine, blizzard should make a seperate set of cheevos for pre-nerf and post-nerf boss kills |
| 16:42.55 | Jamash | epeen status validated |
| 16:42.56 | Amarande | And really, games have been getting easier and easier over the years anyway. Nothing in today's RPGs holds a candle to e.g. Dave's Challenge. Heh. |
| 16:42.59 | Jamash | ego stroked |
| 16:43.13 | Unkle | I will state that if you build a subscription game and less than 10% of your players ever see the content - something is wrong. |
| 16:43.17 | karl_w_w | you're a great troll Jamash |
| 16:43.27 | Jamash | Torhal|work: I'm not sure what incident you're referring to, could you be more specific? |
| 16:43.34 | Amarande | Jamash: I think wowprogress has tried to come up with ratings that at least to some degree reflect the challenge, by giving fewer points to non-first kills and fewer points to post-nerf kills |
| 16:43.34 | Unkle | Imagine then, that Mass Effect - only 10% of people ever finished it. |
| 16:43.43 | Jamash | karl_w_w: I know I do troll a lot but I'm 100% serious about this |
| 16:43.51 | karl_w_w | nice try |
| 16:43.52 | nilyaK | ME wasn't subscription though right? |
| 16:44.00 | karl_w_w | I'm not getting sucked in |
| 16:44.00 | nilyaK | it was single player |
| 16:44.01 | nilyaK | I thought |
| 16:44.04 | Amarande | Unkle: 1% is probably a better threshold, though |
| 16:44.09 | Unkle | No, but if only 10% of people ever finished it, they'ed never sell sequels. |
| 16:44.13 | Amarande | Otherwise, you wouldn't be able to make any of the endgame stuff be large group content at all |
| 16:44.45 | Torhal|work | Jamash: Keys in TBC. |
| 16:44.46 | Amarande | since a large percentage of your players, probably the majority, simply aren't able to make the time commitments necessary to do large group content unless it was so laughably easy that you could easily get it within a very small number of trials |
| 16:44.57 | Torhal|work | Anywho, lunch time. |
| 16:45.02 | Unkle | And end-game is a HUGE design task for any MMO. If only 1-10% of your players are ever going to see it… something is wrong. |
| 16:45.19 | karl_w_w | raiding is like a single player game with 3 difficulties, you should do the difficulty you want and be happy with it, not get to the end of normal difficulty and then cry that hard is too hard |
| 16:45.44 | Amarande | In fact, I would suspect there's probably a greater number of players who don't get to raid not because they're not good enough for it, but because of timing issues |
| 16:45.59 | foxlit | karl_w_w: question: why would you raid the same instance for 7 months straight? |
| 16:46.14 | karl_w_w | Unkle: you would think so, but the decline of wow can be pinned pretty solidly to end game content becoming more accessible |
| 16:46.27 | Jamash | karl_w_w: I'm not arguing for or against a particular model of content progression, I'm arguing against the attitude that because someone else gets to kill a nerfed boss that it means that killing the un-nerfed boss is suddenly devalued |
| 16:46.38 | Jamash | they are two different experiences |
| 16:46.41 | Jamash | one has no bearing on the other |
| 16:46.46 | Amarande | People with working-class jobs where the schedules don't stay static enough from week to week to promise regular availability for a raid without putting the game above real life, for instance (which is probably a very common thing) |
| 16:47.01 | karl_w_w | some people enjoy it I guess foxlit |
| 16:47.20 | Unkle | karl_w_w: That sounds like an unsubstantiated statement. You need some evidence for me to believe that is a causative relationship. |
| 16:47.25 | Jamash | karl_w_w: I play wow less when I can't even raid at all because heroics are so difficult that they're not fun |
| 16:47.26 | foxlit | karl_w_w: yet people don't raid Hogger over and over? |
| 16:47.44 | Amarande | Even if they have a static enough schedule, there's probably plenty of people who play on low or medium population servers where there's few openings in raiding guilds for their classes and the ones that are available require you to promise to be present on a day where you can't be |
| 16:47.45 | Jamash | making end-game content more accessible made me more engaged than ever in Wrath |
| 16:47.49 | foxlit | The key to everything is progression in character power. Once you stop making progress there, you quit the game. |
| 16:48.10 | Jamash | I downed normal LK two weeks before cata |
| 16:48.17 | Amarande | (For instance, I always work in the early to mid evening on Sundays, quite a lot of raiding guilds have Sunday as one of their raiding nights, so there you go, can't raid in them.) |
| 16:48.54 | Jamash | without the nerfs, I probably wouldn't have |
| 16:49.00 | Unkle | Oddly, I have trouble always filling a raid. I can almost always get 8. Often 10, but not always so I'm almost always pugging 1-2 people, or borrowing from another guild. |
| 16:49.01 | Jamash | So I object vehemently to the attitude that if something was hard once it should always be hard |
| 16:49.07 | bluipodcow | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:49.19 | Jamash | just so that the "hardcore" can feel superior to the "casual" |
| 16:49.20 | karl_w_w | Unkle: I can't be bothered :P but wow grew pretty steadily right through to the end of BC, slowed, peaked at ulduar I believe and started sliding |
| 16:49.32 | Jamash | bluipodcow: sup |
| 16:49.40 | bluipodcow | Oh hai |
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| 16:50.10 | nilyaK | nuzzles up against bluipodcow. |
| 16:50.43 | karl_w_w | <Jamash> without the nerfs, I probably wouldn't have <- you would have killed him quite easily 2 months later |
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| 16:50.58 | Amarande | Unkle: Yeah, even the guild I raided ICC with, who went 10/12 HMs on ICC10 (stopped only by the Cata pre-patch releases due to gameplay changing too much so we'd have had to relearn everything again with the new class mechanics ... otherwise I'm quite sure we'd have been 12/12, but we only really got started a few months before Cata release) |
| 16:51.05 | Amarande | had to PUG one or two players most weeks |
| 16:51.21 | Jamash | karl_w_w: Killing a boss in the next expansion is less awesome |
| 16:51.27 | karl_w_w | why? |
| 16:51.55 | Jamash | I'm using gear I got in the instance to finish the instance |
| 16:52.09 | Jamash | ratings are tuned based on level |
| 16:52.25 | Unkle | Meh, I know my guild needed the 10% nerf to finally beat DS10. We just weren't going to cut it otherwise (mostly casual players and guys like me with lots of time invested, but not competition-class players). |
| 16:52.35 | foxlit | the +30% to everything buff is kinda OP, though |
| 16:52.43 | Jamash | I'm happy to finish an instance with a moderate level of help, I don't want to faceroll it |
| 16:52.44 | karl_w_w | so it's ok to use gear designed to kill a boss 25% harder but not ok to use gear designed to kill a boss 25% harder? |
| 16:52.53 | foxlit | that's like 2-3 tiers of gear? |
| 16:53.01 | Jamash | karl_w_w: what? |
| 16:53.17 | Unkle | Amarande: Too bad you don't play on my server. :) |
| 16:53.30 | karl_w_w | the first gear is ICC raid gear, the second is cata dungeon gear |
| 16:53.56 | Jamash | cata dungeon gear is vastly superior to ICC10N raid gear |
| 16:54.07 | Jamash | green is the new purple, remember? |
| 16:54.27 | karl_w_w | that's the point Jamash |
| 16:54.35 | Jamash | what is |
| 16:54.49 | Jamash | As I said, I like a challenge, I don't want to faceroll |
| 16:54.51 | karl_w_w | thanks to the change in design, people think the content should be easier |
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| 16:55.04 | karl_w_w | instead of them getting more powerful |
| 16:55.22 | karl_w_w | where's the fun in that? |
| 16:55.36 | foxlit | the fun is in doing new stuff |
| 16:55.38 | Jamash | the hardcore nutjobs we're debating are concerned with *other people* finishing the content that the nutjobs found challenging but the other people found impossible |
| 16:55.52 | karl_w_w | foxlit: you will always do new stuff as you progress |
| 16:55.54 | Jamash | if the content is nerfed, the other people can defeat challenging content |
| 16:56.00 | karl_w_w | and there will always be something to work towards |
| 16:56.10 | Jamash | karl_w_w: not if you stop progressing |
| 16:56.16 | Jamash | if you hit a brick wall, progression ends |
| 16:56.32 | Unkle | I played EQ for 5.5 years. I'll tell you what sucked. Paying all that cash and seeing 2/3rds of the content, ever. |
| 16:56.42 | foxlit | karl_w_w: the point of the sliding buffs is to aid progression, enabling you to access new content. |
| 16:56.46 | Jamash | ^ |
| 16:56.47 | Unkle | I much prefer the Blizzard model. |
| 16:57.29 | foxlit | it doesn't really have to be done using the buffs, but that's the /cheapest/ solution in terms of developer time. |
| 16:57.30 | karl_w_w | well, you can argue theory if you like, I'll argue history |
| 16:57.47 | foxlit | They could just release new gear tiers every 2 months. |
| 16:59.28 | karl_w_w | in BC nearly everybody had something to do, and everyone was happy. then they made the hardest stuff more accessible, so the people who complete it have nothing to do and the people doing it get bored of it because they've been doing it for so long |
| 17:00.08 | Unkle | No, I was not happy. |
| 17:00.27 | Unkle | In the BC era I saw two raids. |
| 17:00.33 | Unkle | Kara and the Troll one. |
| 17:00.50 | karl_w_w | did you enjoy them? |
| 17:00.56 | Unkle | Because getting 25 people through kara in three groups never got accomplished. |
| 17:01.09 | Unkle | No, I was sick to death of kara after 6 weeks. |
| 17:01.10 | Amarande | Yeah, that's another little foible with BC |
| 17:01.27 | Amarande | Which makes me glad that with LK they let you actually choose between 10 or 25 man progression rather than having to move from one to the other |
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| 17:01.38 | karl_w_w | the difficulty to progress into 25 man was a different problem |
| 17:01.51 | Amarande | Well, the main thing being, 10 does not divide 25, so you need three groups in order to get progressed so you're ready for 25's |
| 17:02.02 | foxlit | karl_w_w: how many months were there before the full availability of bosses in the sunwell plateau and the release of 3.0? |
| 17:02.18 | Unkle | I watched us hit that wall over and over and over. Group 1 gets through, and is ready to move on, but group 2 and 3 have weeks to go. Group one jumps ship to another guild further alnog, and I have to start the process all over again. |
| 17:02.21 | karl_w_w | dont remember |
| 17:02.30 | Amarande | But then, you have to be willing to go to your best of buddies (which a guild ought to be) and be very sorry but five of you will not be joining us for the progression to Maggie and Gruul |
| 17:02.50 | foxlit | hint: less than the time since the release of 4.3 to now. |
| 17:02.54 | karl_w_w | Unkle: that was a problem with raid sizes not raid difficulty |
| 17:03.05 | Unkle | karl_w_w: It was a problem with both. |
| 17:03.09 | Amarande | Or will have to take the pain of going from active raider to usually-benched alternate |
| 17:03.26 | Unkle | Removing the key requirement helped, but by then it was too late. |
| 17:03.29 | pompy | Nice, the cocreator of Bladeshades was arrested |
| 17:03.34 | karl_w_w | foxlit: right, so nobody was bored of firelands? and nobody complained endlessly because 4.1 wasnt a raid? |
| 17:03.35 | pompy | fkn 21 year old kid. |
| 17:03.41 | Amarande | Or have to become relegated to "that guy who guides the new members through kara" rather than getting to move on with everyone else |
| 17:03.56 | foxlit | karl_w_w: point is, if you want the BC model of nerf-nothing progression, you need to release content faster. |
| 17:04.04 | foxlit | They seem incapable of releasing content faster. |
| 17:04.06 | Amarande | Granted, this was probably blunted a LITTLE by the fact that Kara is a truly awesome instance. |
| 17:04.21 | karl_w_w | Unkle: you couldnt progress because of the group size change, not because the next stuff was more difficult |
| 17:04.21 | Unkle | Once I did have 25 people who could get into Gruul or Magtheridon… getting them all to show up was literally impossible. |
| 17:04.34 | Amarande | I'm trying to think if there is even any other instance that gives a similar atmosphere to Kara, except perhaps Scholomance (which is also not too unexpectedly one of my favourites) |
| 17:04.49 | nilyaK | BRD |
| 17:04.56 | Unkle | No karl_w_w because difficulty made the learnign curve very steep and spread it out over three groups. |
| 17:04.57 | nilyaK | it feels really alive like a real place you can visit |
| 17:05.19 | foxlit | curse and wowi: your display of beta versions sucks :/ |
| 17:05.55 | foxlit | curse, as far as I can tell, doesn't even show the existence of beta releases on the main site. |
| 17:05.57 | karl_w_w | foxlit: they need to release content faster either way :P |
| 17:05.59 | Unkle | the current (since WotLK) model of 1 size is all you need raids is a much better plan. |
| 17:06.02 | Jamash | ZA was tuned for people who were progressing through tier5, not people who had just finished kara |
| 17:06.06 | Amarande | I think this may actually have been one of the few things LOTRO did better instance-wise |
| 17:06.16 | Jamash | I never finished ZA |
| 17:06.16 | Amarande | Larger group sizes were always divisible by smaller group sizes |
| 17:06.32 | Amarande | therefore, you could indeed take multiple groups through the previous content and be able to combine them together into the larger group size |
| 17:06.46 | Amarande | without coming up short nor having to drop anyone due to a group size change |
| 17:06.52 | karl_w_w | if BC had the choice between 10 or 25 man for all raids it would have been fine |
| 17:07.21 | karl_w_w | 10 and 20 would have been better, come to think of it |
| 17:07.21 | Jamash | no it wouldn't have if they had kept attunements |
| 17:07.23 | foxlit | wowi's system of having separate addons with different categories is weird -- I could probably upload the beta as a plugin for the main thing, then list it in plugin/beta/relevant categories, but finding it on the download page would be non-trivial. :( |
| 17:07.32 | foxlit | Get some Beta download tabs already :( |
| 17:08.22 | Amarande | karl: yeah, that's why I said LOTRO had it a little better |
| 17:09.10 | Amarande | LOTRO instances are 3 for small fellowship, 6 for full fellowship and then 12 and 24 for raid (and actually 24 is rare - scalable party size Skirmish instances only go up to 12, and only a few 24 man raids exist) |
| 17:09.32 | Jamash | full divisibility is definitely better |
| 17:09.55 | Amarande | The downside frequently was class dependency, on the other hand |
| 17:09.59 | durcyn | tor's 4/8/16 style works pretty well too |
| 17:10.09 | Amarande | Even in 6-man instances, specific classes were virtually required in many cases |
| 17:10.32 | Amarande | and even before the class expansion with Moria, there were seven classes initially |
| 17:10.34 | Amarande | now there are nine |
| 17:10.58 | Amarande | and LOTRO classes are *much* less interchangeable than WoW classes: a lot of classic instances specifically need a Minstrel healer, and a Rune-keeper won't do |
| 17:11.04 | karl_w_w | that doesnt sound like a problem caused by group sizes |
| 17:11.38 | Amarande | I mean, WoW has the group size matter, but LOTRO on the other hand has the "it just won't do to take any tank, any healer and any four DPS" |
| 17:11.41 | znf | So, I'm gonna ask this here, too, why does blizzard block chat messages with "www.mmo" in them?! |
| 17:12.01 | Jamash | gold spam |
| 17:12.04 | Amarande | znf: wouldn't be surprised if there's gold sales sites that start with "mmo" |
| 17:12.09 | karl_w_w | because they decided that's what gold spammers use |
| 17:12.46 | znf | Then, why you don't get anything else blocked or any feedback about it? It hurts linking mmo-champion stuff in chat :P |
| 17:12.56 | Amarande | what surprises me is that D3 already has an active gold spamming community, at least in email |
| 17:13.04 | Amarande | I mean, there's an RMAH, why do gold farmers need to have sites |
| 17:13.17 | znf | Amarande, uhm, gold selling is not enabled yet |
| 17:13.18 | pompy | http://www.facebook.com/kevin.a.mikhail#!/photo.php?fbid=10150990412164034&set=a.298842734033.144051.138011799033&type=1 |
| 17:13.29 | karl_w_w | also, gold selling 15% cut much |
| 17:13.49 | nilyaK | 1. goldselling 2. Ah cut, 3. Blizzard combats fraud with their in-game system and yea. |
| 17:13.51 | foxlit | also, can't trojan people via the RMAH. |
| 17:13.52 | Amarande | znf: you actually don't need the www in mmo-champion URLs |
| 17:14.04 | znf | Amarande, I know, but mmo-champion's links are with www in them |
| 17:14.15 | Amarande | yeah, that's just odd |
| 17:14.17 | znf | so I basically have to edit them |
| 17:14.45 | Amarande | it's one thing to support www or not in a domain name (which is good practise, as requiring "www." is bad practise, but forbidding it isn't user-friendly) |
| 17:15.04 | Amarande | however, surely www.domain.com should convert to domain.com and not the other way round, when one or the other is specified :| |
| 17:15.13 | znf | yup |
| 17:15.20 | karl_w_w | that was the original idea |
| 17:15.22 | Amarande | I've seen a few sites where if you give www. it drops it when the page loads, but a lot still use the Wrong Way |
| 17:15.41 | Amarande | I wonder if it has to do with hosting logistics |
| 17:16.02 | znf | Amarande, lazy admins |
| 17:16.16 | Amarande | and, especially admins who are either too lazy to, or whose hosts don't allow them to use MX records |
| 17:16.47 | Amarande | without an MX record, it would be a problem indeed, because people expect to be able to email you@domain.com, not having to say you@mail.domain.com, more than they expect to not need the www. on a URL |
| 17:16.51 | znf | all it takes is a simple rule in .htaccess (if you're using apache) |
| 17:17.12 | Amarande | So unless your email and web servers are on the same IP address, you would need to have www. I would guess |
| 17:17.14 | bluipodcow | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:17.41 | znf | Amarande, I doubt those kind of hosts still exist |
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| 17:24.27 | Arrowmaster | at one point everybody was using mmo-champion.com instead of www.mmo-champion.com because blizzard had blacklisted www.mmo in wow chat |
| 17:29.51 | pompy | Arrowmaster: http://support.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-live-status booo |
| 17:29.53 | pompy | http://news.cnet.com/8301-10797_3-57467641-235/xbox-live-down-microsoft-at-work-on-a-fix/ |
| 17:31.17 | pompy | http://www.xboxlivestatus.com/ apparently that site is dead.. person didnt update it to use the new url when ms changed shit around x months ago |
| 17:34.54 | cbreak | xbox-dead |
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| 17:52.14 | karl_w_w | woo murray through to the final |
| 17:52.16 | Jamash | using www.example.com is better if you want to have a cookieless subdomain |
| 17:52.42 | karl_w_w | now if he wins it i am up $10, and if he loses it I am up $230 |
| 17:53.32 | Jamash | although a lot of sites use a seperate domain for cookieless access, which drives me batty because I use noscript |
| 17:54.12 | cbreak | cookies are optional anyway. |
| 17:54.28 | nilyaK | and delicious with chocolate chunk pieces |
| 17:55.05 | Jamash | pompy: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/04/21 |
| 17:55.17 | cbreak | http://easteuropeanfood.about.com/od/polishdesserts/r/Florentine-Cookies.htm |
| 17:58.45 | pompy | http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/376384_4272142366683_358036648_n.jpg |
| 17:59.49 | cbreak | or the best ever: http://www.wernli.ch/de/produkte/choco-petit-beurre/# |
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| 18:01.18 | pompy | http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151082932550421&set=a.165430260420.157522.39537220420&type=1 :O |
| 18:04.27 | pompy | http://www.whosay.com/anthonyisaacs/photos/159487 lol |
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| 18:08.33 | Unkle | ROFL - http://notalwaysright.com/curtains-up-for-this-kitty/21454 |
| 18:09.06 | Fisker | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
| 18:09.33 | Fisker | why all the old stuff ? |
| 18:11.18 | Shadowed | Is anyone online on Lost Isles right now? |
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| 18:12.25 | Stanzilla | Shadowed: http://paste2.org/p/2067154 |
| 18:12.44 | Shadowed | Telling me here not useful, use tickets |
| 18:14.39 | pompy | Cairenn: http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/336316_637952807299_1419492687_o.jpg |
| 18:14.46 | Cairenn | awww |
| 18:15.13 | Unkle | If it not meant for sits and sleeps, why it has a warm? |
| 18:16.34 | pompy | lol |
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| 18:23.22 | Cybnext | Hey, I was wondering if anyone knew if there was a way to get the coordinates of the raid markers? |
| 18:26.17 | karl_w_w | no |
| 18:27.11 | Fisker | mad Stanzilla ? |
| 18:27.45 | Lopeppeppy | Tail-less kitty is cute! |
| 18:27.57 | Lopeppeppy | No, wait, there's a tail under that leg, never mind. |
| 18:28.00 | nilyaK | cybnext they basically disabled that sort of thing with the whole drama about AVR and AVR-E |
| 18:28.03 | Fisker | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
| 18:28.08 | Stanzilla | Fisker: nope |
| 18:28.14 | Lopeppeppy | Fisker, do I have to get sweet on you again? |
| 18:28.14 | Fisker | why not? |
| 18:28.18 | Cybnext | nilyaK: sad day :( |
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| 19:03.42 | karl_w_w | arent you meant to get an achievement when you win a wowhead competition |
| 19:04.00 | nilyaK | yes |
| 19:05.27 | Torhal|work | Hrm. Apparently my GF cannot post on the Diablo III forums because her WoW account is inactive. |
| 19:05.29 | Torhal|work | WTF? :/ |
| 19:05.40 | Fisker | choose a diablo 3 character? |
| 19:05.41 | Fisker | mad? |
| 19:05.45 | nilyaK | does she have d3 and if so did she select a d3 character |
| 19:05.52 | nilyaK | and what fisker said except the mad part |
| 19:05.57 | Torhal|work | I'll ask her - she PM'd me at work. |
| 19:06.07 | karl_w_w | and does she have a battletag |
| 19:06.11 | Fisker | just give it up Torhal|work |
| 19:06.16 | Fisker | we know you neither got a gf nor work |
| 19:06.31 | Torhal|work | Hey Fisker, when I want any lip from you I'll scrape it off of my zipper. |
| 19:06.41 | Fisker | so mad |
| 19:06.47 | Torhal|work | :D |
| 19:14.24 | mikma | cairenn: http://i.imgur.com/s6f0t.jpg |
| 19:14.48 | Cairenn | okay |
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| 19:28.13 | karl_w_w | http://www.clearlycontacts.com.au/glasses/frames/ltede-1087-black/prod21152.html?rsView=1&ga=M|F|K isn't that the most fragile looking hinge arrangement you've ever seen |
| 19:32.46 | Arrowmaster | is there supposed to be a picture on that page? |
| 19:33.10 | karl_w_w | 3 in fact |
| 19:33.19 | Arrowmaster | not seeing any of them |
| 19:33.33 | nevcairiel | sucks if you want to buy glasses, but need glasses to see the glasses! |
| 19:33.54 | karl_w_w | http://www.clearlycontacts.com.au/imageresources/product/glasses/XL/ltede-1087-black-me-XL.gif |
| 19:34.01 | Arrowmaster | i just goto the local optometrist and spend $500 a pair |
| 19:34.10 | karl_w_w | oh you |
| 19:34.23 | Arrowmaster | titanium frames are fucking expensive |
| 19:34.25 | karl_w_w | nobody should enjoy getting ripped off |
| 19:34.48 | Arrowmaster | and yes those hinges look fragile |
| 19:36.22 | karl_w_w | im -6.25 on both eyes |
| 19:36.43 | Arrowmaster | negative is nearsighted right? |
| 19:36.50 | karl_w_w | yeah |
| 19:36.55 | Arrowmaster | im around -8 |
| 19:37.17 | Arrowmaster | and have a metal allergy so i have to get titanium frames |
| 19:37.31 | Torhal|work | Oh, shit. I'm in the -10 range. |
| 19:38.03 | Arrowmaster | contacts? |
| 19:38.11 | Torhal|work | Yar. |
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| 19:38.48 | karl_w_w | -10 contacts! |
| 19:38.51 | Torhal|work | I really need to get new ones. I have the kind where I'm supposed to wear them for a month at MOST. |
| 19:38.57 | Torhal|work | I wear each pair like 3-4 months. |
| 19:38.57 | karl_w_w | dont they weigh your eyeballs down? :P |
| 19:39.02 | Torhal|work | Ahahaha |
| 19:39.05 | Torhal|work | Soft lenses :) |
| 19:55.31 | grdn | excuse me, does anyone know under which circumstances BNGetNumFriendToons() is > 0 ? :) |
| 19:55.33 | grdn | eh 1 |
| 19:57.53 | karl_w_w | when they are logged into more than 1 game account at a time would be my guess |
| 19:58.53 | grdn | me got illuminated |
| 19:58.53 | grdn | :D |
| 19:59.57 | grdn | you were actually right karl_w_w , thank you. |
| 20:01.23 | karl_w_w | no need to sound so surprised |
| 20:02.35 | grdn|afk | I really didn't get it |
| 20:03.30 | nevcairiel | easy enough for someone to log into d3 and wow at the same time, some people are even known to have multiple wow accounts and such ;) |
| 20:04.36 | grdn|afk | sure, didn't thought about that |
| 20:05.08 | Torhal|work | BNet is retarded as far as communications, though. I've sent someone a message in WoW and their reply came to D3 (and they were in WoW too) |
| 20:05.24 | Torhal|work | I sat around wondering why the hell they never responded, switched to D3, and there it was. |
| 20:05.49 | grdn|afk | maybe because _D_3 comes before _W_oW? ;) |
| 20:06.25 | Torhal|work | I'd beat you with Fisker, but I'm not sure who that would be punishing. |
| 20:07.38 | grdn|afk | actually it would! |
| 20:07.40 | grdn|afk | trust me |
| 20:08.14 | foxlit | grdn|afk: you should clearly share your newfound knowledge through the world by updating some wiki articles :P |
| 20:08.59 | grdn|afk | my english is too bad :P |
| 20:10.06 | foxlit | I recall the word "obviously" being thrown around rather lightly. |
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| 20:16.09 | karl_w_w | octane, vertex, agility, petrol, synapse cache - ocz really need to come up with a more intuitive naming scheme for their SSDs |
| 20:18.21 | Mr_Rabies | they should use terms in different languages that all mean the same thing, like starbucks |
| 20:18.37 | karl_w_w | oui |
| 20:21.01 | karl_w_w | there's also agility 2, 3, 4 and vertex plus, 2, plus R2, 3, plus 3, 3 Max IOPS, and 4 |
| 20:22.03 | nevcairiel | the numbers are easy, higher numbers are newer versions |
| 20:22.28 | karl_w_w | and those are just the 2.5 inch sata varieties |
| 20:23.43 | nevcairiel | anyway i dont get your problem anyway, usually you decide on some kind of capacity and price segment, and then go finding out which the best drive in that segment is, you dont go looking at vendor Y and decide on one of their drives |
| 20:24.12 | nevcairiel | especially on SSDs there are alot of reference tests out there to decide such things :) |
| 20:25.22 | karl_w_w | im not even looking for one, im just surprised by the melange |
| 20:28.38 | karl_w_w | intel have the right idea, a nice numbering system |
| 20:29.14 | nevcairiel | until you run out of numbers and have to start over |
| 20:29.37 | nevcairiel | like nvidia, reached the end of their 4-digit numbers, and started again with 3 :P |
| 20:31.57 | Dagmar | karl_w_w: What? Since when |
| 20:32.12 | Dagmar | THey were the first to start just using random damn numbers for their product lien |
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| 20:43.08 | spAnser | Hey all I was looking for an addon that was a developer like one that let you inspect frames and displayed the strata. |
| 20:43.25 | Yoshimo | how about /framestack? |
| 20:43.31 | spAnser | ya i think that was it |
| 20:44.08 | spAnser | ok so its just part of the UI ok thanks |
| 20:45.33 | karl_w_w | since when what Dagmar |
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| 20:54.17 | brj | has anyone found a quest for which GetQuestLogQuestType(questIndex) == QUEST_TYPE_SCENARIO? |
| 20:54.32 | brj | presumably its a quest within a scenario, but i dont know which scenario if any actually has one |
| 20:54.36 | brj | (mop beta obviously) |
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| 21:05.52 | karl_w_w | brj: http://mop.wowhead.com/quests=7.-392 I guess there just aren't any yet |
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| 21:08.13 | Ackis | Torhal|work: make your beard look like this: http://i.imgur.com/4B3e8.jpg |
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| 21:09.31 | Arrowmaster | birdcage is better |
| 21:13.10 | Unkle | brj Scenarios are in the quest log in their own category of "Scenario" - You start etting them offered to you at 90. I haven't tried any yet. |
| 21:16.34 | brj | hmm, thanks |
| 21:16.45 | brj | ill go around asking npcs and see if i can find any |
| 21:17.00 | Unkle | (as in I picked up the one such offering, but didn't do anything with it) |
| 21:17.50 | brj | it was from an npc or did you get it as part of some kinda event? |
| 21:18.01 | brj | just trying to narrow down where i should be looking |
| 21:18.31 | Unkle | I got it from an NPC, much like any other quest. You can look in Kulai Summit - there are a couple there that I know of for certain. |
| 21:18.47 | brj | alright, will do. thanks |
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| 21:30.20 | brj | found one. thanks again |
| 21:38.48 | Torhal | Ackis: Nowai. |
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| 22:15.56 | Kraps | complete act IV in less than 1 hour wooo |
| 22:17.37 | Amarande | Kraps: which difficulty? |
| 22:17.50 | Kraps | normal :P |
| 22:18.00 | Kraps | with a DH |
| 22:18.00 | Amarande | I'm guessing normal since from what I've seen of that live video, on inferno it seems like it takes an hour just to defeat Diablo |
| 22:18.24 | Kraps | i got fed up with exploring |
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| 23:45.25 | Shadowed | so who remembers what API gets WoW version |
| 23:46.39 | mckenziemc | getbuildinfo |
| 23:46.42 | Stanzilla | Shadowed: GetBuildInfo() |
| 23:46.45 | Shadowed | aha |
| 23:46.48 | Shadowed | thanks |
| 23:47.25 | Thunder_Child | looks like it's the two nerds over there |
| 23:47.52 | Amarande | heh |
