| 00:00.34 | Shadowed | It depends |
| 00:00.42 | Shadowed | If they didn't make any major changes, you just use version flagging |
| 00:00.51 | Shadowed | If they made extensive changes that aren't sanely flaggable, you branch |
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| 00:27.38 | foxlit | SpellFlyout: CastSpellByName(self.spellName); |
| 00:29.21 | foxlit | on second thought, nevermind. That's probably sane. |
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| 00:40.19 | arton | "Old enough to know better, young enough to do it again!" |
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| 01:05.52 | sentitude | hey |
| 01:08.24 | mckenziemc | hay |
| 01:08.37 | sentitude | http://i.imgur.com/CvkIZ.jpg |
| 01:08.40 | sentitude | http://i.imgur.com/dzO77.jpg |
| 01:08.44 | sentitude | My real life tankard o`terror |
| 01:09.38 | sentitude | :P |
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| 01:23.46 | Arrow|phone | Still no power but the local drive in still has power |
| 01:24.33 | Catariana | is it permissible to upload MoP fixed versions of addons as long as it points back to the original version and assigns all rights to the original authors? Or does that ability rest solely with the author/addon maintainer? |
| 01:24.46 | Amarande | Could be worse, Arrow. Oct 29 last year we got a snowstorm that put out the power for a week and then I found my motherboard had been fried by it when the power came back |
| 01:24.50 | F16Gaming | oh shit |
| 01:24.55 | F16Gaming | addons enabled in beta? |
| 01:24.56 | F16Gaming | :o |
| 01:24.57 | Catariana | yea |
| 01:25.04 | F16Gaming | just checked mail |
| 01:25.10 | F16Gaming | time to do some coding... |
| 01:25.56 | Amarande | ... And then the one I ordered to replace it was DOA and between the amount of time it took the local computer shop to find out it was the mobo and not the CPU or RAM (as I had had to upgrade all three to replace the mobo), the turnaround time on the newegg RMA and the fact that almost another whole week was lost from it due to the fact that UPS takes a four day weekend for Thanksgiving, it |
| 01:25.56 | Amarande | took a month to have a working mobo again |
| 01:26.03 | Arrow|phone | Amarande: we did have power out for a week once |
| 01:26.25 | Arrow|phone | And another outage killed my psu |
| 01:27.04 | mckenziemc | this is why you unplug things when the power goes out |
| 01:27.18 | Arrow|phone | For the week outage I ran a laptop off my car |
| 01:33.04 | Amarande | here's the strange thing though |
| 01:33.19 | Amarande | the power outage scrambled up the motherboard (looks like the BIOS bricked itself somehow) |
| 01:33.30 | Amarande | but the PSU still functions perfectly |
| 01:34.08 | Amarande | I actually asked the guy at the computer shop to check the PSU as well when I was unable to get the new mobo working (since it had been DOA), just to make sure the power situation didn't damage it, but he said there was no trouble with it |
| 01:34.13 | Torhal | Catariana: I'd say it's a little too soon to start ninja-fixing AddOns. |
| 01:34.45 | Amarande | I now have the BIOS on naamah set to NOT automatically power back on after a power failure |
| 01:35.08 | Amarande | mckenziemc: got surge protectors, their "protection is still active" LEDs are still on |
| 01:35.29 | Amarande | not sure how it managed to brick the BIOS, though that appears to have been the case |
| 01:36.00 | Amarande | as when I tried to turn the PC on when power came back, I got some sort of message about BIOS corruption that scrolled rapidly and forever asking for a CD or floppy that I didn't have |
| 01:36.12 | Amarande | and when I tried one more time to reboot it, the screen just stayed black and nothing happened |
| 01:36.43 | Torhal | Catariana: Plus, unless the AddOn has a license that says otherwise, the AddOn is All Rights Reserved. |
| 01:37.01 | Amarande | The fried mobo acted the same as the DOA mobo would the next day at that point actually - the computer would show every physical sign of "on-ness" except that it wouldn't actually fire up a display or boot |
| 01:37.20 | Amarande | Fans would start up, the LED on the mobo indicating that power was hooked up would be lit, but no actual life |
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| 01:40.01 | foxlit | http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/81v79hZ52PL._AA1500_.jpg << that cat! |
| 01:42.46 | F16Gaming | FTFY: http://i.imgur.com/ymZuq.jpg :3 |
| 01:43.26 | Dagmar | when does that air |
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| 01:56.38 | foxlit | Dagmar: it's out on DVD now; so I think the original run is over. |
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| 01:57.07 | Greenhorn | Hello all |
| 02:00.11 | Greenhorn | anyone here working on updating addons for MoP? For some reason I can't get the Interface line right. ## Interface: 50100 desn't show the addon as up to date |
| 02:00.27 | F16Gaming | no idea what the interface is supposed to be |
| 02:00.33 | foxlit | 50001 |
| 02:00.52 | kd3 | 50100 is 5.1 |
| 02:01.05 | Greenhorn | o jsut shoot me in the head. |
| 02:01.06 | kd3 | we're on 5.0.1, so 50001 |
| 02:01.19 | foxlit | which should really be 50000, but what the hell. |
| 02:01.29 | Greenhorn | but usually 50000 would work for minor point updates... |
| 02:01.40 | kd3 | meh |
| 02:01.45 | Greenhorn | but 50000 doesn't work |
| 02:02.14 | Greenhorn | still shows as out of date |
| 02:02.22 | Greenhorn | did Blizz change something on us? |
| 02:02.38 | kd3 | you're completely exiting the client and restarting after changing the toc, right? |
| 02:02.39 | foxlit | if you read the previous few messages, you'll find the correct number staring you in the face. |
| 02:02.46 | Greenhorn | yes |
| 02:04.46 | Greenhorn | well 50001 does work but minor point updates never required the number to be updated before..... |
| 02:04.53 | Greenhorn | thanks all |
| 02:05.01 | Torhal | It's lilkely 50001 instead of 50000 because it's the beta. |
| 02:05.07 | Torhal | They do weird shit with versions there. |
| 02:05.26 | kd3 | email out |
| 02:05.39 | foxlit | the long and short of it is that the number is whatever FrameXML.toc/GetBuildInfo says the number is; looking for patterns there is pointless :) |
| 02:05.43 | Greenhorn | ok well i'm off lucky 3 of my 4 addons require no changes besides for this |
| 02:06.22 | Greenhorn | the 4th i have to wait on titanpanel to be stable to check |
| 02:06.47 | Greenhorn | Thanks for the help all |
| 02:09.38 | Torhal | I'm still amazed that folks actually still write native TitalPanel plugins instead of just using LDB. |
| 02:10.18 | F16Gaming | same reason people still use Windows XP (no service pack) i guess :P |
| 02:10.53 | Ketho | y u no fubar :( |
| 02:11.25 | kd3 | ah, gotta love builds where blizz have forgotten to remove some quests |
| 02:11.36 | kd3 | [KILL GIANT SERPENT] [GET RID OF THIS?] |
| 02:12.28 | F16Gaming | i just like the giant NPCs and placeholders :P |
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| 02:13.02 | Torhal | Ketho: Because I killed Fubar with fire back in October. |
| 02:13.44 | TC-Work | so now, not only am i buying games for the PC i dont play, i am doing it for the xbox. I'm turning into Arrow|phone w/o the need for CE's. |
| 02:14.00 | TC-Work | I think i'll blame Arrow as well |
| 02:14.09 | Amarande | heh, I just traded in some more of my PS1 games that I didn't play |
| 02:14.33 | TC-Work | never played, or just dont play anymore? |
| 02:15.06 | Amarande | never really played, and I can get them on PSN if I really want them again sometime down the line (not to mention that means I can get them to play on the go on my PSP) |
| 02:15.43 | Amarande | the only two PS1 games I have left are Persona 2: Eternal Punishment and Star Ocean 2 |
| 02:16.02 | Amarande | once I'm done with those, I can think to moving on from the platform and getting into, say, the 2010s or so |
| 02:17.54 | Amarande | Thinking of a PS3, but not sure yet. |
| 02:24.32 | kd3 | huh, [flyable] is broken |
| 02:26.17 | Zorben | hmm, is there an event fired when a druid cast symbiosis on you? Or maybe a buff? How would an addon know that the symbiosis spell is available? |
| 02:27.21 | EverydayJerle | you get a buff |
| 02:28.26 | Zorben | k, thanks, would have been easier with an event, now you have to monitor buffs watching for it |
| 02:28.36 | Sintacks | why isn't there a CPU profiling addon that uses set points to see how much cpu addons are using in a given time... like, during a fight. :| |
| 02:28.55 | EverydayJerle | there might be an event. don't know. but i know there's for sure a buff :) |
| 02:29.01 | Amarande | ... cpu usage is an issue in wow? |
| 02:29.10 | Kaylin | depends on your CPU :P |
| 02:29.21 | kd3 | if you're doing inefficient crap every onUpdate, well, yes |
| 02:29.26 | Torhal | WoW doesn't use the GPU much at all, so yes. |
| 02:29.35 | Amarande | I'm actually not sure I've seen a single thing where cpu is an issue since setting up this rig. |
| 02:29.36 | kd3 | wow is also more or less completely cpu-bound |
| 02:29.52 | Sintacks | since frame rates are killed by addons, yes, seeing what is using the most cpu time, in a given period (during a fight) is important, to me |
| 02:30.07 | Sintacks | and i just can't believe no one has made a profiling addon that does that |
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| 02:30.53 | Amarande | then again, I'm not quite sure what you could do in WoW to overload a Core i5 2400 Sandy Bridge. :) |
| 02:30.57 | Torhal | Sintacks: It iddn't scratch an itch. That's the whole reason most AddOns are written. |
| 02:30.59 | Amarande | Quad core 3.1 GHz can cover a lot of sins. |
| 02:31.18 | Torhal | Amarande: WoW is also not multithreaded at all, save for some sound stuff. |
| 02:31.34 | Sintacks | lol Torhal. |
| 02:31.37 | Torhal | So if you have a bunch of AddOns all doing shit at the same time... |
| 02:32.01 | Sintacks | that's why i go from 60 fps before the pull, to 10 to 20 during the fight. |
| 02:32.03 | kd3 | we had to learn this the hard way back in... 2.4 when they rolled out the new combat log |
| 02:32.07 | Sintacks | and 5 or less during heavy shit |
| 02:32.09 | kd3 | shudders |
| 02:32.15 | Torhal | lol |
| 02:32.20 | Torhal | Yah, threat meters FTW back then |
| 02:33.14 | kd3 | oh, gah. KTM doing shit every onUpdate even when we were in shattrath |
| 02:33.35 | kd3 | s/doing shit/polling/ |
| 02:34.36 | Amarande | Yeah, every now and then I do get a longish pause related to an addon, but it's generally when visiting a configuration window |
| 02:35.07 | Amarande | used to be there would be a giant long pause when Auctioneer finished scanning as well but that seems to have been alleviated mostly lately |
| 02:35.22 | Torhal | blames MentalPower. |
| 02:35.25 | Torhal | :D |
| 02:35.38 | MentalPower | huh what? |
| 02:35.44 | Amarande | (also helps that Auctioneer can now rescan on an item by item basis from the appraiser tab) |
| 02:35.44 | Torhal | hides. |
| 02:35.57 | MentalPower | chases Torhal "I know where you live!" |
| 02:36.03 | Torhal | Ack! |
| 02:36.05 | Sintacks | tjhat's creepy |
| 02:36.14 | Torhal | He isn't lying. |
| 02:36.14 | Amarande | also: mog is a wonderful thing |
| 02:36.24 | kd3 | wait, what? |
| 02:36.37 | MentalPower | points out that Torhal lives down the road and also works down the hall from me :P |
| 02:36.39 | Torhal | I was actually going to code tonight, but then Stanzilla decided he didn't want me to fix my lib after all. |
| 02:36.50 | Amarande | with any luck, mog will mean that, having just started on a new server from scratch the other day, I'll have a nice amount of gold much more rapidly than in the olden days |
| 02:36.51 | Torhal | Down the hall? In the same cube farm. |
| 02:37.05 | kd3 | heh |
| 02:37.05 | MentalPower | ok ok, so across a cube wall |
| 02:37.16 | kd3 | wait, they make you work in cubes? |
| 02:37.19 | MentalPower | I can fire a nerf dart into your cube :) |
| 02:37.23 | Amarande | since as long as there's enough low level greens that are desirable mogs, there's enough low level greens that might go for 100+g |
| 02:37.27 | Torhal | Yes, you can :( |
| 02:37.28 | Amarande | otoh |
| 02:37.37 | Amarande | I kind of get the feeling enchanting might suck to get started on nowadays. :) |
| 02:37.45 | Torhal | kd3: Yes, they do, and it still isn't enough to make me not want to kill people for being distracting. |
| 02:37.53 | Amarande | probably pretty much *have* to take tailoring with it if you want the costs to be sane now, I'm guessing? |
| 02:38.14 | Amarande | (am doing mining/engineering on the new draenei, though) |
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| 02:39.21 | kd3 | in-ear headphones + over-the-ear headset + blinders? |
| 02:39.40 | Sintacks | ~api |
| 02:39.45 | Sintacks | ~pickles |
| 02:39.45 | purl | pickles are very hard to digest |
| 02:39.47 | Amarande | mostly thinking that if you don't do it with a self contained crafting profession (i.e. tailoring), enchanting must be head-splittingly hard to level at reasonable cost now |
| 02:39.59 | Sintacks | ~ifail |
| 02:40.05 | Sintacks | :( |
| 02:40.24 | Amarande | since a lot of the leveling greens that used to sell for cheap as easy DE fodder to get mats to level enchanting with, are now super expensive due to mog |
| 02:40.50 | Amarande | it's good for us non-enchanters to make gold from though. :) |
| 02:42.42 | Torhal | kd3: Music is just as distracting. I like silence. |
| 02:43.02 | kd3 | k, ear-plugs + over-the-hear noise-cancelling headphones + blinders? |
| 02:43.27 | Torhal | kd3: I don't have $300 to drop on real noise-cancelling headphones :P |
| 02:43.34 | kd3 | and, grr, UnitGUIDs have changed format again |
| 02:43.39 | Torhal | Aww, fuck. |
| 02:44.12 | pompy | didnt you future proof that in arl Torhal? ;) |
| 02:44.14 | kd3 | my usual strsub(UnitGUID(target),7,10) is off |
| 02:44.27 | pompy | idk |
| 02:44.44 | Torhal | pompy: Not netirely: I made a central function for that sort of thing so that all we need to do is change it in one place. |
| 02:44.53 | Torhal | s/netirely/entirely/ |
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| 02:45.58 | Sintacks | 5.0 scares me :| |
| 02:46.06 | Sintacks | cuz i've still got some shit that wasn't updated for 4.0 |
| 02:46.24 | Torhal | stuffs Sintacks into a Poké Ball. |
| 02:46.31 | Sintacks | I'M GARY FUCKING OAK |
| 02:47.53 | kd3 | that, or maybe this NPC really does have an id of 426, but I strongly doubt that's right... |
| 02:48.27 | Torhal | kd3: Try it on a known NPC... |
| 02:48.46 | pompy | whats the npcs name |
| 02:49.02 | Torhal | 426 is a Redridge Brute |
| 02:49.06 | pompy | yeah |
| 02:49.09 | Torhal | At least in 4.3.4 |
| 02:49.09 | kd3 | yah, which is why I kinda doubted that |
| 02:49.48 | kd3 | it works for a shao-tien marauder (58412), but not a shao-tien soul-render (58460; I keep getting 442) |
| 02:50.00 | Torhal | Urk. |
| 02:50.03 | Torhal | Dafuq. |
| 02:50.05 | foxlit | just, um, dump the entire guid? |
| 02:50.26 | Torhal | blames Trela. |
| 02:50.34 | kd3 | shao-tien marauder: 0xF130E42C00055842 |
| 02:50.44 | Trela | Oh hell no. |
| 02:50.51 | kd3 | soul-render: 0xF13101BA0057493 |
| 02:51.13 | kd3 | er, 0xF13101BA00057493 |
| 02:51.42 | pompy | kd3: do they use UnitGUID() in framexml? |
| 02:52.13 | kd3 | in the combat log and the UnitFrame |
| 02:54.29 | pompy | well they didnt update the function in those areas this build |
| 02:54.30 | pompy | so hm |
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| 02:55.32 | pompy | cool looks like they are matching the d3 achievement way.. showing just earned and unearned and stuff |
| 02:55.34 | pompy | local numAchievements, numCompleted, numIncomplete = GetCategoryNumAchievements(categoryID); |
| 02:55.42 | Torhal | They're just calling it and operating on its value, not dissassembling the value for meaningful data. |
| 02:55.53 | foxlit | there's no reason for framexml to be using those for anything except opaque identifiers. |
| 02:56.21 | kd3 | yup, just checking if, say, for the combatlog, the guid matches UnitGUID("player") |
| 02:56.28 | Torhal | This one is puzzling |
| 02:56.29 | Torhal | if ( not string.find(UnitGUID("player"), guid) ) then |
| 02:56.32 | Torhal | ... |
| 02:57.43 | kd3 | oh, that's for the instancelink handling |
| 02:57.58 | kd3 | ItemButtonTemplate.lua line 105 |
| 02:58.02 | Torhal | Yah, but why not a straight comparison instead of a find |
| 02:58.12 | Torhal | Guess without the rest of the code to provide context... |
| 02:58.18 | foxlit | no leading 0x, Torhal? |
| 02:58.24 | Torhal | Mayhap. |
| 02:59.57 | pompy | +ERR_BN_FRIEND_REQUEST_SENT = "Friend request has been sent"; |
| 03:00.00 | pompy | guess thats an error |
| 03:00.01 | pompy | >< |
| 03:00.42 | kd3 | how many "Error: Success" messages have you seen? not like overloading the error-handling code to display other stuff is all that uncommon... |
| 03:01.55 | pompy | +--SPELL_POWER_CHI = 4; This is obsolete now. |
| 03:02.40 | pompy | they dont use chi anymore? |
| 03:02.51 | kd3 | it's called "energy" now |
| 03:03.07 | pompy | i thought soul shards were removed |
| 03:03.46 | kd3 | they're a resource rather than an actual item |
| 03:06.40 | pompy | oh shit http://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/63-magnitude-quake-shakes-west/67366 |
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| 03:06.49 | solocommand | Is the PTR client the same as the beta client? |
| 03:06.56 | kd3 | no |
| 03:07.34 | Torhal | kd3: http://i.imgur.com/4yeRw.jpg |
| 03:07.48 | kd3 | ooh, purty |
| 03:07.55 | kd3 | do one for pandaria |
| 03:08.05 | Torhal | That's Minecraft... |
| 03:08.11 | kd3 | wait, wtf? |
| 03:08.22 | kd3 | it is. holy crap |
| 03:08.47 | kd3 | the wow model->minecraft renderers are getting a hell of a lot better |
| 03:08.53 | Torhal | Aye |
| 03:09.17 | solocommand | Hmm. I used to have a mop beta on my account from the 1 year subscription thing. That still going on? |
| 03:09.20 | pompy | oh hell http://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/live-updates-severe-storm-heat-wave/67348 |
| 03:09.26 | pompy | i dont like those updates |
| 03:09.31 | Torhal | The have to implement multiple worlds, though, to get the height right. |
| 03:09.48 | Torhal | So you get to a certain height, you "zone" to another world instance |
| 03:09.50 | kd3 | solo, yah. if you got in from the annual pass you're still in |
| 03:10.05 | F16Gaming | it should be possible to change the max height of a minecraft world |
| 03:10.21 | solocommand | Hmm. I don't seem to have a download link for the beta client on my account. Anyone have the link? |
| 03:10.21 | F16Gaming | they were going to make that an official feature but cancelled for whatever reason |
| 03:10.51 | solocommand | Gotta update my addons :P |
| 03:11.07 | kd3 | it's built-in, just have to change a single variable in the world-generator code to change the map height |
| 03:11.13 | F16Gaming | my iPod has wandered out of the room, so i can't login and get you the download link :P |
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| 03:13.20 | pompy | Arrow|phone: ahh phone, without power? :O |
| 03:13.26 | kd3 | ah, wtf |
| 03:13.34 | kd3 | chrome and/or f17 don't trust digicert |
| 03:13.35 | F16Gaming | oh wait |
| 03:13.38 | F16Gaming | download history ftw |
| 03:13.43 | F16Gaming | http://us.media.battle.net.edgesuite.net/downloads/wow-installers/4A4335AC/Win/enUS/World%20of%20Warcraft%20Beta%20Setup.exe |
| 03:13.50 | solocommand | Thanks :) |
| 03:14.46 | Torhal | kd3: Durnholde Keep - http://o7.no/N04BbD |
| 03:15.27 | F16Gaming | *_* cursed installer playing sounds at maximum volume |
| 03:15.32 | Arrow|phone | pompy: I'm at the drive in because I didn't have power. Not sure if its still out |
| 03:15.50 | kd3 | http://imgur.com/5tJFt |
| 03:16.00 | kd3 | ^ just now |
| 03:16.26 | F16Gaming | oh of course... |
| 03:16.32 | F16Gaming | i still need the auth to log in |
| 03:16.49 | F16Gaming | embarks on a quest to find the lost authenticator |
| 03:17.23 | solocommand | F16Gaming: Right? I have my volume up pretty high, watching drwho on the other screen. That was fun. |
| 03:17.46 | F16Gaming | has found his authenticator |
| 03:17.47 | kd3 | the cert chrome's showing me. wtf wtf wtf. http://imgur.com/iLD8X |
| 03:17.55 | kd3 | dusts off firefox |
| 03:18.32 | karl_w_w | http://www.offtheback.com.au/ usb heated gloves? sometimes you don't realize you need something until somebody is trying to sell it to you |
| 03:18.37 | F16Gaming | somehow windows managed to create a symbolic file link to a directory |
| 03:18.38 | pompy | kd3: did in reach triple digits in georgia today? |
| 03:18.49 | kd3 | hit 102 in paulding county |
| 03:18.55 | kd3 | forecast 106 tomorrow |
| 03:20.00 | pompy | 6:08 p.m. EDT: Over 200 trees down throughout Scioto County, Ohio. Additionally, over a dozen homes in the county sustained damage due to tree impacts. |
| 03:20.04 | pompy | rediculous |
| 03:20.18 | pompy | ridiculous* |
| 03:20.50 | kd3 | huh. fx trusts the cert but chrome doesn't |
| 03:21.02 | kd3 | this is rather disconcerting |
| 03:21.20 | pompy | 3:09 p.m. EDT: Top 40 feet of a 100 foot radio tower blown down. Additionally, top two sections of a 160 foot tower downed by thunderstorm wind gusts. >< |
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| 03:24.49 | Dagmar | With >100F temps outside, I do not want to see thunderstorms |
| 03:24.55 | kd3 | ^ |
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| 03:25.27 | Dagmar | This place gets bad enough when it's in the 80's |
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| 03:27.00 | kd3 | a blogger I follow out in the midwest heard a customer say the five words you DON"T want to hear ... "Boy, the sky looks weird." |
| 03:27.08 | kd3 | http://wonderduck.mu.nu/images/weregonnadiebig.JPG |
| 03:27.49 | F16Gaming | KillTrack seems to be getting NPC ids out of GUIDs just fine |
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| 03:28.17 | NeoTron | oh did GUID's change again? |
| 03:28.35 | kd3 | maybe my macro's just wrong |
| 03:28.39 | F16Gaming | tonumber(guid:sub(-12, -9), 16) |
| 03:28.59 | kd3 | I tried that and 7,10 and got some valid, some invalid results |
| 03:29.07 | F16Gaming | hm |
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| 03:29.58 | pompy | kd3: speaking of skies looking wierd .. http://vortex.accuweather.com/adc2004/pub/includes/columns/newsstory/2012/300x225_06291832_401x301_06291638_l93hhh.jpg |
| 03:30.01 | pompy | chicago |
| 03:30.16 | pompy | http://vortex.accuweather.com/adc2004/pub/includes/columns/newsstory/2012/401x401_06291635_mdtli2f8ecc.jpg illinois |
| 03:30.31 | Primer | heh, installed the beta today, went to create a toon, and it threw a lua error |
| 03:31.20 | pompy | Primer: prolly for the addons |
| 03:31.25 | pompy | it happened in cataclysm iirc |
| 03:31.27 | NeoTron | I use tonumber(sub(guid, 7, 10), 16) in my code |
| 03:31.37 | Primer | pompy: well, I haven't gotten around to installing any... |
| 03:31.42 | kd3 | ^ is what I use in my macro |
| 03:32.03 | kd3 | http://www.wowpedia.org/User:Kaydeethree/Macros#NPC_info |
| 03:32.10 | m^rk | is there a site that has the latest lua from todays patch up? (not diff but full lua) |
| 03:32.29 | kd3 | you can extract it yourself from the client if you want |
| 03:32.32 | kd3 | ~framexml |
| 03:32.32 | purl | well, framexml is Blizzard's UI for WoW. Export code/art from the client by using the wow.exe -console commands "ExportInterfaceFiles code" and "ExportInterfaceFiles art" (must be used on login screen); or view it online at http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source , http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser or http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml |
| 03:32.42 | NeoTron | Why they don't just have a UnitID(unit) instead is beyond me |
| 03:33.05 | kd3 | because blizz doesn't need it, so it doesn't get exposed? |
| 03:33.18 | NeoTron | well true I suppose |
| 03:33.38 | NeoTron | but GUID's probably weren't exposed for their benefit necessarily |
| 03:35.33 | F16Gaming | kd3: what were the weird IDs you found |
| 03:36.07 | F16Gaming | found one now |
| 03:36.11 | kd3 | scroll up to xx:43 |
| 03:36.37 | kd3 | I put the full guids in chat a few minutes later |
| 03:37.15 | F16Gaming | Krasari Runekeeper GUID=0xF531003E00032396 (Incorrect) ID=62 (Gug Fatcandle) |
| 03:37.59 | kd3 | complete tangent. oh wow. "Old Friends Reunite": http://imgur.com/1iE1n |
| 03:38.20 | F16Gaming | Krasari Tormentor displays correct ID |
| 03:46.49 | karl_w_w | wow there is such a thing as dr pepper bbq sauce |
| 03:47.01 | kd3 | ew, dr. pepper |
| 03:48.24 | pompy | http://www.epicurious.com/recipes/food/views/Dr-Pepper-Barbecue-Sauce-353269 |
| 03:48.39 | NeoTron | I'm with kd3. ew |
| 03:48.40 | Kaylin | derrrrrrrrrrr pepper |
| 03:48.51 | Kaylin | also I have heard of Dr Pepper BBQ sauce before |
| 03:50.19 | pompy | also this for girls .. http://www.lipsmacker.com/productListing.php?id=8 |
| 03:51.27 | Kaylin | lolwut |
| 03:51.46 | EverydayJerle | anyone know what the heck this icon is? http://i.imgur.com/J82zx.png |
| 03:52.16 | kd3 | it's a portal sentry gun? |
| 03:52.47 | Kaylin | yes |
| 03:52.49 | Kaylin | spirit healer |
| 03:52.53 | Kesava | i'm pretty sure it means that character is receiving a res but i've seen it on living units in the beta |
| 03:53.03 | Kesava | so it's either broken or i'm wrong |
| 03:53.07 | Kaylin | no you' |
| 03:53.09 | Kaylin | re right |
| 03:53.13 | Kesava | oh. good good |
| 03:53.27 | Kaylin | unless they changed the meaning, on live it means res is getting cast on you |
| 03:53.40 | EverydayJerle | that's not spirit healer. |
| 03:53.42 | Kaylin | I'm betting bug |
| 03:53.45 | Kaylin | yes it is! |
| 03:53.45 | EverydayJerle | i'm a very alive mistweaver |
| 03:53.46 | EverydayJerle | ah. ok |
| 03:54.26 | Kaylin | restopanda |
| 03:56.20 | Arrow|phone | We think the stuff playing during the intermission is from the 60s |
| 03:56.33 | F16Gaming | did they remove UIPanelButtonTemplate2 ? |
| 03:56.39 | EverydayJerle | yes |
| 03:56.45 | EverydayJerle | it's uipanelbuttontemplate |
| 03:56.55 | kd3 | http://www.wowpedia.org/Patch_5.0.1/API_changes |
| 03:56.58 | kd3 | add more if you see it |
| 03:57.16 | EverydayJerle | they seem to have removed vehicleactionbutton whatevers |
| 03:57.20 | EverydayJerle | or at least they don't exist while outside a vehicle |
| 03:57.37 | Catariana | haven't tested if they exist inside a vehicle or if they were just renamed |
| 03:58.16 | kd3 | here's a big "diff" of all of the c-defined api calls: http://www.wowpedia.org/index.php?title=Global_functions/Mists&diff=2935073&oldid=2935067 |
| 03:59.38 | F16Gaming | "UnitIsPartyLeader → UnitIsGroupLeader" is listed twice on the api changes list |
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| 04:01.05 | kd3 | fixed, thanks |
| 04:02.59 | m^rk | is it a good idea to upload a MoP beta addons in curse? i.e. is it smart enough to not distribute MoP versioned addons to non-MoP players? |
| 04:03.52 | kd3 | yah |
| 04:04.15 | kd3 | just make sure you check "beta-capable addon" or whatever the option is when you upload it |
| 04:04.47 | Kaylin | meh should I install to check the one addon I maintain for a friend or does somebody want to see if it works |
| 04:04.58 | m^rk | ok thanks |
| 04:05.23 | F16Gaming | Kaylin: i could test it :P |
| 04:05.39 | F16Gaming | i got nothing to do anyway since all my addons are already compatible xD |
| 04:05.47 | Kaylin | http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/eventnotifier |
| 04:05.48 | Kaylin | don't look at the code esp the gui stuff it's mostly not mine and the stuff that is is embarassing <3 |
| 04:05.48 | F16Gaming | (well except the GUID issue) |
| 04:06.32 | Catariana | the beta is at least 1000x more enjoyable with dominos |
| 04:06.37 | Catariana | no more stupid dragonbar |
| 04:06.44 | Kaylin | you can just |
| 04:06.51 | Kaylin | get rid of the dragons |
| 04:07.01 | Catariana | what i mean is having a flexible action bar setup |
| 04:07.04 | Kaylin | oh okay |
| 04:07.06 | NeoTron | http://playgamesformoney.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/dominos.jpg |
| 04:07.09 | NeoTron | yep they rule |
| 04:07.21 | mckenziemc | Kaylin:Hide() |
| 04:07.58 | Kaylin | sets mode +i |
| 04:09.06 | Catariana | http://i.imgur.com/caU1F.jpg >>> two bars you can't adjust :> |
| 04:09.37 | kd3 | yet |
| 04:10.38 | NeoTron | someone's doing fireworks already |
| 04:10.50 | F16Gaming | Kaylin: EventNotifier.lua#39 listener = false; |
| 04:10.54 | F16Gaming | declared as a global |
| 04:11.00 | Kaylin | yea, I know |
| 04:11.04 | Kaylin | don't even remind me |
| 04:11.08 | F16Gaming | bad global name :P |
| 04:11.14 | Kaylin | bad everything name |
| 04:11.20 | Catariana | pft descriptive variable names are for nerds |
| 04:11.39 | Dagmar | places a boxcutter on the table and walks away. |
| 04:11.45 | kd3 | hahahaha |
| 04:11.59 | Kaylin | you should DL the old versions and see what it was like before I made it work *shudder* |
| 04:12.00 | kd3 | and bleh. caffeine wearing off |
| 04:12.14 | kd3 | weighs putting in a caffeine drip or just crashing |
| 04:12.42 | Catariana | pitbull's a dead project, right? |
| 04:12.58 | Kaylin | but I'm clearly not into it or I'd have made a UI that doesn't suck by now =/ |
| 04:14.20 | Primer | god I hope not |
| 04:14.25 | Kaylin | I mostly just want to know if it loads and makes noise |
| 04:14.26 | Primer | I can't live without pitbull |
| 04:14.30 | Kaylin | when it's supposed to |
| 04:14.54 | Catariana | yea it's been my favorite for years now primer |
| 04:14.56 | Primer | Anyone know where you turn on display of Lua errors in the beta? |
| 04:15.07 | Primer | Neither of my addons are working |
| 04:15.16 | Catariana | i've got a working copy of bugsack if you want |
| 04:15.17 | Primer | unless...they really didn't turn that on yet |
| 04:15.18 | kd3 | check ~/beta/Logs/FrameXML.log first |
| 04:15.27 | Primer | Catariana: that would be lovely! |
| 04:15.32 | kd3 | but the lua errors option is in the same place as it is live |
| 04:15.47 | Primer | if only I knew where that was |
| 04:16.09 | kd3 | esc->interface->somewhere near the bottom. there aren't that many options panes |
| 04:16.19 | Catariana | https://dl.dropbox.com/u/30076842/Addons/BugSack%20and%20BugGrabber.zip |
| 04:16.23 | Primer | ok, it's under Help |
| 04:16.26 | Primer | and it's already on |
| 04:16.55 | kd3 | then, yeah, make sure to check the framexml log |
| 04:17.03 | kd3 | and that you've got outdated addons enabled |
| 04:18.05 | Primer | ahhh indeed |
| 04:18.15 | F16Gaming | Kaylin: loads and makes noise :3 haven't tested it on *real* events though (just calling its OnEvent function) |
| 04:18.16 | Primer | totally forgot that |
| 04:18.37 | Kaylin | yea |
| 04:18.40 | Primer | hey, it works! |
| 04:18.42 | Kaylin | it should be fine then |
| 04:18.57 | Kaylin | assuming things are still sane |
| 04:19.02 | F16Gaming | Kaylin: just check for renamed event names i guess |
| 04:19.05 | Kaylin | yea |
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| 04:19.17 | Kaylin | ty for trying it out for me though :) |
| 04:19.21 | F16Gaming | np :D |
| 04:19.51 | Catariana | i wonder when they're gonna do their big tradeskill pass |
| 04:20.07 | Primer | Anyone in the US PVP realm? |
| 04:20.27 | F16Gaming | EU Pve |
| 04:20.33 | Kaylin | I don't think ever :P tradeskills are sadly overlooked after current content, well mostly |
| 04:21.06 | Kaylin | the poor forums are just people bitching about engineering, if you don't like it just drop it /engineer |
| 04:21.42 | kd3 | bleh. zzz |
| 04:22.06 | Dagmar | Yes, we need 10,000 goblin putty knives |
| 04:22.28 | Catariana | Kaylin: no i mean a bunch of tradeskill stuff is just not implemented and so on |
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| 04:22.34 | Kaylin | oh |
| 04:23.06 | Kaylin | yea idk it's usually used to fill holes in the gearing process/raid itemization so prob after raid loot |
| 04:23.06 | Catariana | raid loot went in today :P |
| 04:23.16 | Kaylin | I heard so let's go with soon(tm) |
| 04:23.17 | Kaylin | :P |
| 04:23.53 | F16Gaming | As Soon As Possible™ |
| 04:24.13 | Primer | ok, guess I'm done :) |
| 04:24.20 | Primer | both addons work flawlessly |
| 04:24.30 | F16Gaming | i can't solve the GUID issue so i got nothing to do :P |
| 04:25.19 | Arrow|phone | tekkub: seen rock of ages yet? There's ass less chaps |
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| 04:26.52 | Kaylin | are there non-assless chaps? |
| 04:26.58 | Kaylin | like in reality |
| 04:27.42 | Cairenn | what an odd comment to see |
| 04:28.22 | Dagmar | I think perhaps if you have chaps that do cover your ass they're just called "leather pants" |
| 04:28.29 | Kaylin | yes |
| 04:28.29 | F16Gaming | ohai Cairenn |
| 04:28.30 | Cairenn | ^^ |
| 04:28.40 | Cairenn | chaps, by definition, are assless |
| 04:28.44 | Cairenn | crotchless, too |
| 04:28.55 | F16Gaming | Cairenn: got time so i can sign charter? :) |
| 04:29.14 | Cairenn | F16Gaming: don't need sigs, guilds all created |
| 04:29.19 | F16Gaming | ah |
| 04:29.22 | Cairenn | can log in to invite if you want/need |
| 04:29.26 | F16Gaming | sure |
| 04:29.30 | Cairenn | realm? |
| 04:29.38 | F16Gaming | Mekkaspellingisnotgoodatnight |
| 04:29.42 | Cairenn | (US or EU?) |
| 04:29.45 | F16Gaming | EU |
| 04:30.10 | Cairenn | ally or horde? |
| 04:30.15 | F16Gaming | horde |
| 04:30.24 | Cairenn | char name? |
| 04:30.27 | Kesava | oh, can i get one too, just logging in |
| 04:30.28 | F16Gaming | Seylaina |
| 04:30.29 | Cairenn | nneriac inviting |
| 04:31.30 | Primer | seems one of the tooltips changed |
| 04:31.43 | Primer | not working for a map hover |
| 04:32.02 | Cairenn | anyone else want an invite on EU? |
| 04:34.31 | Kaylin | I wish I could write wow addons in LISP |
| 04:35.10 | F16Gaming | they give you instant exalted with guild rep? |
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| 04:38.23 | Catariana | i need to tackle parrot at some point |
| 04:38.27 | Catariana | blizz SCT sucks |
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| 04:39.01 | Kaylin | sct? |
| 04:39.14 | F16Gaming | scrolling combat text |
| 04:39.35 | Catariana | http://i.imgur.com/ep6om.png |
| 04:39.36 | Catariana | lol |
| 04:41.49 | NeoTron | hrm MOP seems a bit laggy |
| 04:41.58 | NeoTron | crash if I try to change to window/fs mode |
| 04:42.31 | Dashkal | Cairenn: ping May I PM you? |
| 04:42.43 | Cairenn | Sure |
| 04:43.11 | F16Gaming | NeoTron: running windowed fullscreen fine here, only lags if i go into crowded areas |
| 04:43.35 | NeoTron | it's not that it's laggy |
| 04:43.40 | NeoTron | it's that it crashes if I try to change it |
| 04:43.43 | NeoTron | consistently |
| 04:43.51 | F16Gaming | :o |
| 04:44.24 | NeoTron | is the 64 bit client more buggy? |
| 04:44.43 | Kaylin | a little bit, actually, 32 of them |
| 04:44.45 | Kaylin | :P |
| 04:45.00 | NeoTron | ok 32 bit launched in fs windowed better |
| 04:45.42 | F16Gaming | running 64 bit windowed fullscreen 1920x1080 everything maxed |
| 04:48.02 | Primer | same, except 1920x1200 |
| 04:54.22 | F16Gaming | bah |
| 04:54.42 | F16Gaming | every single one of the 90-tier talents for druid wants me to perform non-restoration tasks |
| 04:55.43 | Primer | hrmm, we're allowed to upload videos on MoP right? |
| 04:55.48 | Primer | err of |
| 04:56.08 | F16Gaming | dunno |
| 04:56.12 | Catariana | yes |
| 04:56.32 | Primer | just making sure. I just put a video up that demonstrates my addons working in MoP |
| 05:01.12 | F16Gaming | 15, 45 and 75 tier talents have nothing for restoration :/ |
| 05:01.34 | Catariana | that's common |
| 05:01.48 | F16Gaming | but every tier has something for guardian :P |
| 05:01.58 | F16Gaming | good thing i offspec tank |
| 05:04.10 | F16Gaming | permanent tree form makes up for everything though <3 |
| 05:05.51 | Torhal | kd3: You're one of THOSE weirdos, eh? :) |
| 05:05.56 | Torhal | I use tonumber(guid:sub(-12, -9), 16) in my AddOns. |
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| 05:17.07 | F16Gaming | shadow priests have incredible balance |
| 05:17.08 | F16Gaming | http://i.imgur.com/jUjrX.jpg |
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| 05:40.24 | Catariana | i have a fully working ui more or less |
| 05:40.30 | Catariana | just need non sucky unitframes :> |
| 05:56.08 | Zorben | hmm how would I double check a spellid for frost strike, IsSpellKnown(SpellId) seems to be working correctly for all my other spells, but it gets frost strike wrong, Ive triple checked the spellId on wowhead and its the same as the old one, but maybe the one in my spellbook is different for some reason? |
| 06:03.55 | karl_w_w | check it using spellbook functions? |
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| 06:05.39 | karl_w_w | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:07.29 | Zorben | thanks, yea, thats coming up empty, strange |
| 06:08.26 | karl_w_w | try doing it by index |
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| 06:08.48 | karl_w_w | GetSpellBookItemInfo(index, "spell") |
| 06:12.34 | Zorben | hmm yea somethings crossed internally, |
| 06:13.27 | Zorben | GetSpellInfo(44, "spell") returns frost strike which is what it shows in my spellbook, GetSpellBookItemInfo(44, "spell") returns blood strike |
| 06:14.10 | Arrow|phone | And great I get home to find computer issues |
| 06:14.24 | Arrow|phone | My mouse isn't working |
| 06:14.58 | Arrow|phone | And gnome sucks for usability without a mouse |
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| 06:23.59 | Mr_Rabies | hrm |
| 06:24.06 | Mr_Rabies | anyone crashing upon zoning into elwynn on beta? |
| 06:24.36 | Adys | yeah |
| 06:24.45 | Adys | though that was like 8 years ago now |
| 06:25.20 | Arrowmaster` | I think the USB hub in my monitor died |
| 06:26.03 | karl_w_w | Mr_Rabies: I saw something mentioned in the beta maintenance thread |
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| 06:30.59 | Mr_Rabies | someone else try on a character they don't mind not being able to login to for a few days :p |
| 06:31.12 | Mr_Rabies | my guess is the x-realm stuff is hosed right now |
| 06:31.18 | Mr_Rabies | or there's INFINITY SKELETONS |
| 06:32.52 | Catariana | goddamn panda heroics are dull |
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| 06:38.26 | F16Gaming | first time i see a movie released in ISO format... |
| 06:40.23 | karl_w_w | Catariana: dull as in too easy? they're supposed to be |
| 06:44.32 | Catariana | yes, i know. it's just.. gonna be really boring and grindy to gear up on live |
| 06:48.43 | Mr_Rabies | what kinda gear do you get from challenges? |
| 06:49.11 | Mr_Rabies | the same as the normal boss drops? |
| 06:49.52 | F16Gaming | i think i remember seeing something about challenge gear |
| 06:49.55 | F16Gaming | or wait |
| 06:50.01 | F16Gaming | i think challenge just gives you mog gear |
| 06:50.13 | Mr_Rabies | you don't get any stat gear at all? :( |
| 06:50.13 | Catariana | you don't get gear for challenges. just cosmeticjunk |
| 06:50.25 | Mr_Rabies | i really dont' wanna run boring instances over and over |
| 06:50.39 | Mr_Rabies | i foresee MoP getting a really quick burnout unless they patch more often |
| 06:50.53 | F16Gaming | or give back mr. smite... |
| 06:50.56 | Mr_Rabies | having such a long public beta is gonna be bad |
| 06:51.01 | F16Gaming | i'd play deadmines 10 times a day minimum if they did :P |
| 06:52.16 | Mr_Rabies | i do lament the lack of mr. smite |
| 06:52.20 | Mr_Rabies | he should come back in some form |
| 06:52.27 | Mr_Rabies | peg-legged and hooked |
| 06:52.32 | F16Gaming | some believe that warmaster is mr. smite |
| 06:52.34 | Mr_Rabies | or better |
| 06:52.37 | Mr_Rabies | HARPOON HAND |
| 06:52.53 | Mr_Rabies | it's almost definitely the same voice actor |
| 06:53.01 | Mr_Rabies | but that doesn't mean much :p |
| 06:53.24 | Mr_Rabies | there's an uncomfortable amount of times where metzen is having a conversation with himself |
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| 06:54.13 | F16Gaming | i wonder if the mr. smite sound files are still in the client |
| 06:54.46 | Mr_Rabies | but everyone that's playing in beta hours a day is gonna be really burned out really quick unless they patch more quickly in MoP |
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| 06:55.21 | Mr_Rabies | i'm avoiding playing anything in beta that's not going to be in 5.0 without MoP, and even much of that, storyline stuff, etc |
| 06:55.30 | Mr_Rabies | so i don't burn myself out |
| 06:55.49 | Unkle | Meh, I have a high-tolerance for repetition. |
| 06:55.57 | Mr_Rabies | i don't |
| 06:56.08 | Mr_Rabies | i haven't farmed really, ever |
| 06:56.20 | Mr_Rabies | and i started playing wow in classic beta :p |
| 06:56.28 | F16Gaming | train yourself in beta so you can level past your non-beta friends on release while multitasking something else |
| 06:56.29 | F16Gaming | :D |
| 06:56.54 | Unkle | Speaking of beta, I'm online now, Alliance side, Lost Isles if anyone needs an invite. |
| 06:57.39 | Mr_Rabies | my goal in beta isn't to hit 90 very quickly |
| 06:57.46 | Mr_Rabies | i'll take my time |
| 06:58.08 | Mr_Rabies | hey unkle, can you do me a favor if you get a chance |
| 06:58.33 | Mr_Rabies | try getting on a character that you don't mind not logging into for a few days, and tell me if zoning into elwynn from stormwind crashes your client :p |
| 06:58.47 | Mr_Rabies | via the gates |
| 07:00.12 | karl_w_w | F16Gaming: \Data\enUS\speech-enUS.MPQ\Sound\creature\MrSmite\MrSmiteAlarm01.ogg |
| 07:00.22 | F16Gaming | :D |
| 07:00.45 | Unkle | AS in ... walk from Stormwind to Elwyn? |
| 07:01.37 | karl_w_w | yep, that's where the gates lead :P |
| 07:02.27 | Unkle | Yeah, ZERO issues. |
| 07:03.12 | Unkle | Well not entirely true. My demon despawned. |
| 07:04.33 | Unkle | But not repeatable. |
| 07:08.36 | Mr_Rabies | hrm |
| 07:08.38 | Mr_Rabies | my game crashes |
| 07:10.23 | Unkle | Probably your cache files are all fuxxored. |
| 07:14.23 | Mr_Rabies | hrm, no crash on lost isles |
| 07:14.36 | Mr_Rabies | but on gilneas or whatever, crash every time |
| 07:14.38 | Mr_Rabies | weird |
| 07:15.10 | Unkle | Strange. |
| 07:15.45 | karl_w_w | odd |
| 07:15.52 | Unkle | Heh, hacked TinyDPS to work in beta. |
| 07:16.27 | karl_w_w | I love a web page that won't load until all the images are loaded |
| 07:17.49 | Unkle | Also, probably shouldn't code while drunk |
| 07:18.35 | Torhal | Unkle: If that's the case, you should do shit using my LibToast-1.0 |
| 07:18.53 | karl_w_w | does it make toast? |
| 07:19.09 | Unkle | Does that catch exceptions caused by drunken coding? |
| 07:19.25 | Unkle | Also, WTF are you doing awake? |
| 07:20.23 | bluipodcow | Does it do waffles too ? |
| 07:20.26 | karl_w_w | I take exception to your drunken coding |
| 07:20.41 | Torhal | karl_w_w: Sure! |
| 07:20.52 | Torhal | Unkle: I'm coding. WTF are you doing awake? |
| 07:21.01 | karl_w_w | ah, so it's a wallace and gromit addon of some kind |
| 07:21.08 | Unkle | Error: Lib Toast-1.0 karl_w_w detected. |
| 07:21.08 | Torhal | waffles bluipodcow. |
| 07:21.34 | karl_w_w | ok what is going on with my beta launcher |
| 07:21.36 | Torhal | It's a library to do the BNet-style toasts. There's a control AddOn called Toaster. |
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| 07:22.03 | Unkle | Needs a Lib PopTart |
| 07:22.08 | karl_w_w | instead of the normal launcheryness it has turned into an installer |
| 07:22.17 | karl_w_w | with a big Install button in the middle |
| 07:22.21 | bluipodcow | You needs to make out with it karl_w_w |
| 07:22.25 | Torhal | Unkle: No, you just need MOAR BOOZE! |
| 07:22.39 | bluipodcow | I can has screenshot karl_w_w ? |
| 07:22.46 | Unkle | brb 7&7 refill |
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| 07:24.15 | karl_w_w | uploading bluipodcow! |
| 07:24.27 | bluipodcow | Thank ee |
| 07:24.58 | Unkle | there... MOAR BOOZE |
| 07:24.59 | karl_w_w | with the error that comes up when I click install |
| 07:25.05 | karl_w_w | http://i46.tinypic.com/2r3xgk6.png |
| 07:26.11 | karl_w_w | oh 3rd time's a charm |
| 07:26.27 | karl_w_w | I started the launcher and it's back to almost-normal |
| 07:27.32 | Primer | I had that happen in wine today |
| 07:27.39 | Primer | err, actually it wasn't in wine |
| 07:27.54 | Primer | I just went to the WoW beta directory and ran wow.exe and it was fine |
| 07:28.09 | karl_w_w | i havent patched yet :P |
| 07:29.51 | bluipodcow | Something to with either agent.db or wow.mfil/tfil I don't recall which. |
| 07:30.27 | karl_w_w | blame canada |
| 07:30.30 | bluipodcow | Or something in the mystical battle.net folder |
| 07:31.42 | Mr_Rabies | karl_w_w: oftentimes a stuck agent.exe is to blame for weird launcher issues |
| 07:31.52 | Mr_Rabies | killing the process usually fixes it |
| 07:32.02 | karl_w_w | yes |
| 07:32.21 | bluipodcow | Yep |
| 07:32.29 | karl_w_w | affirmative |
| 07:32.55 | bluipodcow | Thought you already fixed it ? |
| 07:33.17 | karl_w_w | affirmative |
| 07:33.38 | bluipodcow | Oh were you saying how you fixed it ? |
| 07:33.51 | Unkle | Dread Wastes are full of things to make you dread them. |
| 07:33.55 | karl_w_w | negative |
| 07:34.10 | karl_w_w | I was simply agreeing |
| 07:37.39 | bluipodcow | I see lol |
| 07:40.08 | karl_w_w | patch finishes, click play, launcher stuck on "launching" |
| 07:40.19 | karl_w_w | sad, a launcher that doesnt launch |
| 07:41.55 | bluipodcow | Lol |
| 07:44.20 | Unkle | Ok, unless anyone really needs my help, I'm going to crawl away to sleep it off. |
| 07:44.34 | karl_w_w | i do Unkle |
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| 07:44.43 | karl_w_w | i need a guild invite |
| 07:44.56 | Unkle | You logged in on Lost Isles? |
| 07:45.02 | Aftermathhyo | Wow, that's alot of people! |
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| 07:45.28 | karl_w_w | just psted you |
| 07:45.38 | Mr_Rabies | i'd be down for an invite if you don't mind having a non-author among your ranks |
| 07:45.55 | Unkle | You're a regular, not an issue. |
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| 07:46.22 | bluipodcow | There's a #wowuidev beta guilds nows ? |
| 07:46.32 | karl_w_w | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showpost.php?p=257140&postcount=2 |
| 07:46.34 | Unkle | Has been for some time. |
| 07:46.48 | Mr_Rabies | name's Rayybeez :o |
| 07:46.54 | Mr_Rabies | couldn't use Raybeez, my normal one |
| 07:47.02 | bluipodcow | I been on vacations. Has ad dons been turned on for betas yets ? |
| 07:47.02 | Aftermathhyo | lliance == Players vs AddOns Horde == AddOns vs Players |
| 07:47.07 | Mr_Rabies | a thief stoeled my name |
| 07:47.16 | Mr_Rabies | yup bluipodcow |
| 07:47.17 | Aftermathhyo | Alliance == Players vs AddOns |
| 07:47.17 | Aftermathhyo | Horde == AddOns vs Players |
| 07:47.35 | Mr_Rabies | as of the latest patch, yesterday |
| 07:47.47 | Mr_Rabies | right, yesterday? :P |
| 07:47.52 | bluipodcow | Interesting. |
| 07:48.01 | bluipodcow | Still catching up Lolz |
| 07:49.33 | Unkle | Anyone else before I go collapse? |
| 07:50.34 | bluipodcow | You can collapse on me dear |
| 07:50.46 | Unkle | :P I'm not that drunk. |
| 07:50.55 | Unkle | Night night. |
| 07:51.00 | Maldivia | night |
| 07:52.00 | Aftermathhyo | My UI is working fine, but oUF |
| 07:52.22 | Aftermathhyo | had to do some minor changes |
| 07:52.58 | karl_w_w | wth |
| 07:53.07 | karl_w_w | in beta tarecgose spoke to me |
| 07:53.07 | Mr_Rabies | i'm tempted to see if adibags works, but i'm a-scared D: |
| 07:53.10 | karl_w_w | a* |
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| 07:53.41 | Mr_Rabies | since a lack of bag addons has been like, reason #1 i haven't played much beta |
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| 08:04.46 | karl_w_w | so ignite isnt listed anywhere in game |
| 08:04.50 | karl_w_w | good going blizz |
| 08:05.05 | Torhal | ignites mckenziemc. |
| 08:13.19 | karl_w_w | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:13.22 | karl_w_w | thanks for that |
| 08:13.30 | karl_w_w | they don't make it easy do they |
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| 08:26.18 | karl_w_w | where can I find out the rating conversion for mastery |
| 08:30.57 | Maldivia | use the API function for it ? |
| 08:31.03 | Maldivia | (or look in the dbc files) |
| 08:31.19 | karl_w_w | there's an api func? what's a dbc file? |
| 08:32.07 | Maldivia | GetCombatRating / GetCombatRatingBonus |
| 08:32.46 | bluipodcow | It's a dang burger cheese file karl_w_w |
| 08:32.50 | Maldivia | and the DBC files are the files (in the MPQs) that contains all that information, and what all the online DB sites parse :P |
| 08:32.50 | bluipodcow | J/k |
| 08:33.18 | bluipodcow | Should be a spec for them somewhere |
| 08:33.38 | Maldivia | doubt those specs are up to date with MoP |
| 08:33.43 | bluipodcow | Think ladiks site might have a wiki on it |
| 08:34.08 | Maldivia | not for the dbcs, only the mpqs |
| 08:34.50 | karl_w_w | hmm |
| 08:35.00 | karl_w_w | ..Bonus seems to be wrong for mastery |
| 08:36.17 | karl_w_w | probably because mastery is a special case |
| 08:37.08 | Maldivia | there's also a GetMastery |
| 08:38.21 | karl_w_w | yeah that ne i tried, it returns something way off any number i can see |
| 08:39.07 | Maldivia | ohh well, can't remember |
| 08:39.45 | karl_w_w | guess i need to be level 90 to test it properly |
| 08:41.07 | karl_w_w | or i can just see how the char sheet works it out |
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| 08:43.39 | grdn | hi guys :) anyone there who may invite into the author guild EU? |
| 08:47.24 | karl_w_w | yes grdn, but don't think any are online now |
| 08:47.30 | karl_w_w | nice, there is GetMasteryEffect() |
| 08:49.01 | grdn | thx & yep |
| 08:55.10 | karl_w_w | new combustion is so confusing |
| 08:55.25 | grdn | whats up with it? |
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| 09:01.10 | karl_w_w | i dont know how it's worked out :P |
| 09:02.03 | karl_w_w | oh right |
| 09:02.17 | karl_w_w | it's damage per 2s rather than damage per sec |
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| 10:30.38 | Myridin | good day |
| 10:32.14 | Fisker | no! |
| 10:33.15 | Torhal | stuffs Fisker into a barrel and sends him over Niagara Falls. |
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| 10:45.55 | Myridin | it's not a good day Fisker? :| |
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| 10:52.09 | Torhal | Myridin: Since Fisker is an anthromorphic platypus, generally no. |
| 10:52.18 | Myridin | lol |
| 10:52.28 | Myridin | poor fisker |
| 10:53.23 | Fisker | Torhal is mad today |
| 10:53.34 | Torhal | umadbro |
| 10:53.42 | Myridin | meh, doesn't seem like it's possible to change the Font in Tidyplates |
| 11:00.01 | znf | Myridin, sure it is |
| 11:00.04 | znf | edit the theme files :P |
| 11:00.19 | Myridin | no font option in ingame options :p |
| 11:00.35 | Torhal | stuffs znf into a suitcase and tosses him into an airplane's cargo hold. |
| 11:00.49 | znf | Myridin, edit the theme files... |
| 11:01.34 | Myridin | . |
| 11:01.46 | Myridin | woops, elbow touched the keyboard |
| 11:01.56 | Myridin | im in the tidyplates simple lua now, lemme see |
| 11:04.15 | Myridin | yeah, overlooked it, thanks znff |
| 11:06.04 | znf | You should also copy your edit to another "theme", else it will get overwritten when you update |
| 11:06.16 | znf | unless you use svn/git/whatever |
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| 12:52.25 | Jamash | sup forks |
| 12:56.25 | mikma | testicle and penises |
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| 13:18.44 | Jamash | gonna party like it's 1899 |
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| 14:06.48 | m^rk | is wowwiki the best reference site? |
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| 14:39.22 | Stanzilla | wowwiki is dead |
| 14:40.46 | Gnarfoz | proper answer: m^rk, it's dead, use wowpedia.org instead |
| 14:41.01 | Gnarfoz | and if you're talking about Lua stuff, use wowprogramming.com ;) |
| 14:41.08 | Stanzilla | Gnarfoz: .PROPER.x264? |
| 14:41.16 | Gnarfoz | fuck your shitty scene shit |
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| 14:53.06 | m^rk | thank you |
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| 15:24.21 | Unkle | Heh, in beta I found the PVP vendor, and he's mostly just giving stuff away. |
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| 15:34.38 | Arrowmaster | http://i.imgur.com/S9xGB.png |
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| 15:47.51 | arkanes | doesn't the author of secure aura header hang out here? |
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| 15:55.14 | Adys | arkanes: who's that? |
| 15:56.26 | arkanes | I don't remember the name, otherwise I'd have pinged him instead of asking ;) |
| 16:10.13 | Arrowmaster | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDI2EmYH98I |
| 16:10.16 | Arrowmaster | lost it at the bullet |
| 16:14.56 | Jamash | arkanes: the people who designed the secure addon infrastructure do indeed hang out in here |
| 16:15.29 | Jamash | Arrowmaster: eek |
| 16:15.47 | Jamash | @the weather map, not the heavy |
| 16:15.48 | Elkano | anyone in here used to using ant from within eclipse? |
| 16:16.05 | Arrowmaster | Jamash: that was yesterday |
| 16:16.36 | Jamash | good times? |
| 16:17.36 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 16:17.38 | Arrowmaster | power went out |
| 16:17.42 | arkanes | well, in the hope that they see this in scrollback: Any chance that SAH can be changed to use SecureButton_GetModifiedUnit instead of SecureButton_GetUnit so we can get vehicle support? |
| 16:18.35 | Arrowmaster | arkanes: any behavior changes have to be approved by blizz |
| 16:18.57 | arkanes | Arrowmaster: where would the best place to post such a request be? Beta forums, or regular ui/macro ones? |
| 16:19.23 | Jamash | hat fortress |
| 16:19.26 | Arrowmaster | neither probably |
| 16:20.24 | Fisker | old Arrowmaster |
| 16:25.02 | Unkle | I would post in Beta Feedback. |
| 16:27.08 | Unkle | Also, if anyone needs a beta guild invite on Lost Isles, Alliance, I'm online now. |
| 16:40.05 | Arrowmaster | http://imgur.com/00MBZ |
| 16:45.06 | Adys | christ |
| 16:45.24 | Jamash | Arrowmaster: does the things that a spider can? |
| 16:45.30 | Adys | 1177 dps / 249 int / 12 AP wand |
| 16:46.04 | Jamash | can't tell if diablo or wow |
| 16:46.09 | mikma | bf3 |
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| 16:54.30 | mikma | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:54.53 | Jamash | you don't say |
| 16:55.00 | Cairenn|afk | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:57.42 | bluspacecow | riveting |
| 16:59.16 | Jamash | rivets bluspacecow |
| 16:59.46 | bluspacecow | ~river Jamash |
| 16:59.58 | Jamash | life is like a river |
| 17:00.09 | bluspacecow | no |
| 17:00.16 | bluspacecow | its a big ball of tiemy wimey stuff |
| 17:00.25 | bluspacecow | thats wibbly wobbly |
| 17:01.52 | Jamash | doctors bluspacecow's time |
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| 17:10.10 | m^rk | how do you determine in mop beta if a spell is enabled or disabled based on their current spec? previously you could rely on the fact that those kinds of spells just wasn't in the spellbook at all |
| 17:17.02 | m^rk | i.e. Penance only existed in the spellbook if the user had the Discipline spec. It didn't exist and be disabled if you was Holy. There must be some way to determine if its enabled vs disabled. |
| 17:17.25 | Jamash | doesn't the spellbook have a tab for each spec now? |
| 17:18.10 | m^rk | it does |
| 17:18.30 | arkanes | m^rk: GetSpellInfo is returning null for spells I don't have for me |
| 17:19.00 | arkanes | that's what I've always used to see if I had a spell |
| 17:19.38 | m^rk | thanks, thats good to know! |
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| 17:30.56 | m^rk | GetSpellInfo(index) still returns but GetSpellInfo(name) doesn't. that did fix my issue so thanks alot |
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| 17:37.56 | evilytwisted | Hi, what is the addon that shows the percentile of recieving an item if you disenchant it? |
| 17:38.45 | evilytwisted | in world of warcraft |
| 17:39.41 | cbreak | auctioneer has one bundled |
| 17:39.48 | cbreak | I think it's called enchantrix or something like that |
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| 17:44.17 | evilytwisted | ty cbreak |
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| 17:50.29 | karl_w_w | anyone got a raiding mage in mists? |
| 17:50.44 | karl_w_w | or a raging maid |
| 17:51.18 | karl_w_w | ## Title: Blizzard_AchievementUI |
| 17:51.19 | karl_w_w | ## Notes: Hooray for Achievements! Everybody loves Achievements =D |
| 17:51.19 | karl_w_w | lol |
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| 17:55.52 | Adys | Shirik: ping |
| 17:59.49 | Fisker | touches haste |
| 17:59.58 | kd3 | oh, wait, today's leap day |
| 18:00.06 | Kaylin | waits a second. |
| 18:04.07 | Jamash | I don't observe leap seconds |
| 18:04.49 | Kaylin | I know they happen so quickly! |
| 18:04.52 | kd3 | you will, it's in just under six hours |
| 18:05.34 | Jamash | they're such a bad idea |
| 18:05.48 | kd3 | then you can use GPS time instead of UTC |
| 18:05.55 | kd3 | I prefer my time to be based on the sun |
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| 18:06.24 | Arrowmaster | damn you imgur stop being slow |
| 18:06.25 | Jamash | if people wanted time to be based on the sun we wouldn't have ridiculous time zone shapes, daylight saving time, etc. |
| 18:07.03 | Jamash | since civil time is so decoupled from solar time anyway, I don't see what benefit leap seconds give |
| 18:07.04 | Arrowmaster | oh i upgraded to nvidia linux drivers 302.17, it turns my 2nd monitor on everytime i lock the screen |
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| 18:16.54 | karl_w_w | umad Jamash? |
| 18:17.35 | Jamash | usparta karl_w_w? |
| 18:19.36 | karl_w_w | ugettinkickeddownawellorsomething Jamash? |
| 18:19.55 | Jamash | might as well |
| 18:19.59 | Jamash | there's earth and water down there |
| 18:20.04 | Jamash | can use them to make bricks |
| 18:20.26 | karl_w_w | sure why not |
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| 18:30.06 | Fisker | whats happening kd3 ? |
| 18:30.37 | kd3 | what's happening is it's fucking hot and I had to help move 120 bales of hay in near-100 degree heat earlier today |
| 18:31.16 | Fisker | but leap day? |
| 18:31.30 | kd3 | we get an extra second 5 and a half hours from now |
| 18:33.17 | Fisker | oh |
| 18:33.23 | Catariana | well i'm excited |
| 18:33.24 | Fisker | somehow i thought it was an hour |
| 18:34.28 | Stanzilla | Fisker: we're selling madness just now |
| 18:34.29 | Stanzilla | http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/zirkel-des-cenarius/egosa/simple |
| 18:34.30 | Stanzilla | to this guy |
| 18:34.32 | Stanzilla | check his gear |
| 18:35.03 | Catariana | haha how much is he paying |
| 18:35.07 | Stanzilla | 200k |
| 18:35.08 | kd3 | wait, what? in blues? |
| 18:35.13 | Stanzilla | greens |
| 18:35.14 | Stanzilla | and |
| 18:35.15 | Stanzilla | level gear |
| 18:35.17 | kd3 | and flintlocke's chuckshooter? |
| 18:35.19 | Stanzilla | >.< |
| 18:35.50 | kd3 | no gems... no chants... how the hell does he have 200k? |
| 18:35.57 | Stanzilla | I don't fucking know |
| 18:36.07 | Stanzilla | we just noticed that it's a woman |
| 18:36.11 | Stanzilla | sounds like mid 40s |
| 18:38.10 | Stanzilla | ok we just told her to jump down the cliff |
| 18:38.13 | Stanzilla | seems easier :D |
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| 18:59.23 | Talryn | Anyone getting lots of "script ran too long" errors? |
| 18:59.37 | Talryn | I can duplicate this issue just running Recount r1199 by itself. |
| 19:09.33 | Talryn | Anyone running the beta on a Mac who can test Recount r1199 running by itself? |
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| 19:29.08 | Mr_Rabies | let's see how adibags likes 5.0 |
| 19:29.41 | Mr_Rabies | wow, it seems to mostly work |
| 19:29.43 | Mr_Rabies | huzzah |
| 19:30.29 | Mr_Rabies | options are broken, but whatevs |
| 19:37.23 | Talryn | It's a problem in Ace3 probably. UIPanelButtonTemplate2 was renamed and it breaks Ace3. |
| 19:38.33 | Gnarfoz | more likely breaks acegui-options-something-or-other |
| 19:38.43 | Gnarfoz | doubt ace3 itself has stuff for uipanels in it |
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| 19:40.37 | Shadowed | it doesn't |
| 19:41.11 | foxlit | gr, _G. |
| 19:41.22 | Torhal | ? |
| 19:41.27 | Mr_Rabies | what's it renamed to Talryn? i might play around with ye olde find-and-replace |
| 19:41.30 | foxlit | more specifically, tracing _G.foo = "bar" through luac output. |
| 19:42.00 | foxlit | Mr_Rabies: same thing, minus the 2. |
| 19:42.05 | Gnarfoz | Mr_Rabies: from what I read in #wowace, it just lost the "2" |
| 19:42.23 | Mr_Rabies | hrm, i could try manually grabbing libs and see what's updated |
| 19:42.52 | foxlit | honestly, just stuff <Button name="UIPanelButtonTemplate2" inherits="UIPanelButtonTemplate" virtual="true" /> into an XML file. |
| 19:43.25 | mckenziemc | >.> |
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| 19:46.57 | Catariana | that's a hacky way to do it foxlit |
| 19:47.12 | Catariana | better to keep addons sync'd with the actual API instead of introducing possible points of failure |
| 19:47.53 | foxlit | why? |
| 19:47.57 | Talryn | UIPanelButtonTemplate2 was renamed to UIPanelButtonTemplate. Just take the 2 off the ned. |
| 19:48.00 | Talryn | *end |
| 19:48.01 | Unkle | Except a) the person he's advising doesn't own the linbraries which need updating, b) isn't an author. |
| 19:48.18 | Gnarfoz | Unkle: not that he could even touch them |
| 19:48.34 | Catariana | foxlit: bad form |
| 19:48.50 | foxlit | hat's not an answer to "why?" |
| 19:49.31 | Shadowed | That's a fine solution as a quick hack without having to hack and fix the library paths |
| 19:49.35 | Shadowed | which is worse in a case like this |
| 19:49.38 | Jamash | submit a patch to the lib |
| 19:52.13 | Talryn | The lib in this case is several of the Ace3 components |
| 19:52.28 | Talryn | I haven't checked how changing it affects live. |
| 19:52.53 | Jamash | if ace3 doesn't have a mop branch then hit them with a rubber chicken until they do |
| 19:53.17 | Torhal | nevcairiel: Apparently, you should fear rubber chickens soonish. |
| 19:53.30 | Shadowed | They don't really need a MoP branch for something like that |
| 19:53.35 | nevcairiel | addons were enabled what, 2 days ago or so, anyone that brings a rubber chicken near me will get shot :p |
| 19:53.44 | Jamash | they do if there's incompatible changes |
| 19:53.46 | Unkle | 20 hours ago. |
| 19:53.53 | Jamash | and me with no wow-capable pc |
| 19:53.55 | Jamash | QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ |
| 19:53.57 | Amarande | Jamash, generally when you beat something with a rubber chicken it turns to stone, that might not be too effective an idea |
| 19:53.57 | Shadowed | Something like that is a trivial thing to just version lock |
| 19:54.11 | Jamash | Amarande: chicken ~= cockatrice |
| 19:54.21 | Jamash | you can version lock xml? |
| 19:54.30 | nevcairiel | we dont use xml |
| 19:54.32 | Shadowed | ^ |
| 19:54.34 | nevcairiel | you can use templates from lua too |
| 19:54.35 | Jamash | well alright then |
| 19:54.36 | Amarande | Jamash: "rubber chicken" is nethack community lingo for a cockatrice corpse |
| 19:54.43 | Jamash | Amarande: IKT |
| 19:54.48 | Cairenn | However, you -can- use xml |
| 19:54.49 | Shadowed | There is very little reason to use XML since late TBC |
| 19:54.58 | Shadowed | It's a preference thing 99.99% of the time |
| 19:55.01 | foxlit | There's a very good reason to use XML |
| 19:55.06 | foxlit | It frustrates everyone else :P |
| 19:55.07 | Jamash | I use one xml file simply because I'm too lazy to get rid of it |
| 19:55.12 | nevcairiel | foxlit is just evil |
| 19:55.16 | Unkle | foxlit LULZ |
| 19:55.17 | Shadowed | That's not a reason, that's hating other people |
| 19:55.20 | Jamash | I don't need it for anything |
| 19:55.21 | Shadowed | Which is fine |
| 19:55.30 | Jamash | hating other people is a reason |
| 19:55.38 | foxlit | I totally have an addon somewhere which is a bunch of lua code in an XML <Script> CDATA chunk. |
| 19:55.38 | Dagmar | The bigger problem is "what happens when *you* touch the cockatrice?" |
| 19:55.48 | Dagmar | No gloves? Epic lulz. |
| 19:55.50 | Jamash | foxlit: I hate you |
| 19:56.00 | Amarande | Dagmar: don't go downstairs while burdened and wielding one either |
| 19:56.06 | Dagmar | heheh |
| 19:56.30 | Amarande | one of these years I need to actually get cracking on NH and ascend a character |
| 19:56.37 | Jamash | my sister did |
| 19:56.57 | Jamash | I'm fine with only doing so vicariously |
| 19:57.31 | Jamash | when I feel like hating myself that much I play Dwarf Fortress instead |
| 19:58.02 | foxlit | So I'm looking at this: http://pastebin.com/UkjLfaE5 |
| 19:58.16 | Arrowmaster | if you really want to hate yourself, try learning go |
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| 19:58.34 | foxlit | and am wondering whether there's an actual mechanism to trace which values GETUPVAL actually refers to |
| 19:58.37 | Arrowmaster | im still not good enough to beat the computer ai that everybody considers easy |
| 19:59.33 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster: did you go out of your way to get 0 vit items? |
| 19:59.41 | Arrowmaster | Thunder_Child: no |
| 20:00.04 | Jamash | I've played go with my dad a few times |
| 20:00.08 | Jamash | not my thing |
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| 20:00.41 | Arrowmaster | Jamash: ive tried to learn but i dont know anybody that plays |
| 20:00.57 | Jamash | there are internet go clients |
| 20:01.11 | Arrowmaster | i know |
| 20:01.30 | Jamash | anyway DF is single player |
| 20:01.48 | Jamash | if I wanted to hate myself in multiplayer I'd play starcraft 2 |
| 20:03.06 | Jamash | my sister got me Arkham Horror for my birthday :3 |
| 20:03.14 | Amarande | The first thing to learn about go is probably the number 1.7408965065903192790718823807056e+172. :) |
| 20:03.20 | Amarande | Also, two eyes is a good thing. |
| 20:03.49 | Dagmar | DF is all about humility |
| 20:04.03 | Jamash | Amarande: positions or *valid* positions? |
| 20:04.07 | Jamash | Losing is fun! |
| 20:04.19 | Dagmar | Your first seven dwarves? If they had any sense, they'd just curse your name and run for the hills. |
| 20:04.38 | Jamash | I just wish the UI didn't suck so much |
| 20:05.01 | Dagmar | I like to think of it as not having a UI. |
| 20:05.07 | Jamash | :[ |
| 20:05.16 | Dagmar | it's sort of a "matrix-view" thing. |
| 20:05.21 | Jamash | he should implement a lua frontend :3 |
| 20:05.40 | Dagmar | Actually, if he'd just abstract it out I suspect a ton of people would start GUIs up |
| 20:05.52 | Amarande | Jamash: not sure how to calculate the number of actual legal positions. That number is 3^361 |
| 20:06.10 | Jamash | ah |
| 20:06.17 | Jamash | Dagmar: absolutely |
| 20:06.56 | Jamash | but toady doesn't care (much) about usability |
| 20:08.43 | Jamash | I'm sure he considers front-end work a distraction from modeling how necromancy should affect gangrenous tissue |
| 20:09.44 | Ackis | I wonder if my wife would be mad if I bought her a bathing suit from http://wickedweasel.com (NSFW) |
| 20:10.37 | Dagmar | Depends on when the last time was she asked you if something makes her look fat |
| 20:10.53 | Mr_Rabies | gah, cat form still has too many buttons |
| 20:11.26 | Catariana | careful |
| 20:11.28 | Catariana | you might get demonology'd |
| 20:11.31 | Mr_Rabies | 13 cat-only abilities |
| 20:11.46 | Catariana | wherein they take away all your buttons and give you three to press |
| 20:11.56 | Mr_Rabies | i wish they'd remove shred and just make mangle do more damage when behind the target |
| 20:12.02 | Jamash | Ackis: we need pictures of your wife to decide |
| 20:12.09 | Jamash | preferably in swimwear |
| 20:12.09 | Dagmar | Jamash++ |
| 20:12.18 | Mr_Rabies | +4 cat/bear abilities |
| 20:12.35 | Mr_Rabies | +8 all-form abilties |
| 20:12.37 | Jamash | I'm ok with any spec that has <=24 buttons |
| 20:12.47 | Jamash | cat still does not meet those requirements |
| 20:13.32 | Mr_Rabies | i think some stuff needs condensed |
| 20:13.37 | Amarande | Jamash, try playing a Guardian in LOTRO, heh |
| 20:13.48 | Amarande | omgbuttonoverloadgah |
| 20:13.58 | Jamash | I'll pass |
| 20:14.05 | Mr_Rabies | when the base UI has a hard time keeping up with all the spells, something's wrong :( |
| 20:14.13 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies: shred costs a different amount of energy from mangle though |
| 20:14.19 | Catariana | base UI is pretty awful tho tbf |
| 20:14.40 | Mr_Rabies | :| |
| 20:14.50 | Amarande | of course, if mangle did more damage behind the target |
| 20:14.52 | Amarande | nobody would ever use shred |
| 20:15.15 | Mr_Rabies | make them both cost 35 and scale shred down to the same energy:damage as now |
| 20:15.26 | Amarande | or ... hmm |
| 20:15.39 | Mr_Rabies | er make it always cost 35 |
| 20:15.40 | Amarande | there was something about this whole discussion that made me wonder why "behind the target" should even matter except for soloing |
| 20:15.45 | Mr_Rabies | and have the same scaling as shred |
| 20:15.51 | Amarande | since, well, what druid goes in front of their target as cat? :| |
| 20:15.59 | Catariana | cool druids |
| 20:16.00 | Mr_Rabies | constantly in raids :( |
| 20:16.02 | Catariana | who like parries and dodges |
| 20:16.03 | Catariana | and aren't afraid |
| 20:16.05 | Mr_Rabies | ultraxion |
| 20:16.07 | Mr_Rabies | etc |
| 20:16.09 | Amarande | if you're in front of your target as cat during group content, something's wrong :| |
| 20:16.24 | mckenziemc | pvp is group content too |
| 20:16.33 | Mr_Rabies | you gotta attack entirely too many faces in raids |
| 20:16.42 | nevcairiel | they should add a reverse cleave, cleaving out of the mobs ass |
| 20:16.53 | mckenziemc | o.o |
| 20:16.55 | Catariana | i think dragons used to have something like that |
| 20:16.59 | Catariana | but when's the last time we killed one of those |
| 20:17.01 | Catariana | (that wasn't going hentai) |
| 20:17.15 | Mr_Rabies | movement fights suck too, since our 30% faster move speed + general mob pathfinding lag + having to attack their butt sucks |
| 20:17.27 | Mr_Rabies | like when kiting drones on beth'tilac |
| 20:17.28 | Catariana | is there any way to submit a patch on wowace.com? or is it just pop open a ticket |
| 20:17.36 | Mr_Rabies | i run through the drone so often and get cleaved |
| 20:17.42 | Mr_Rabies | and can't shred |
| 20:17.49 | Arrowmaster | Catariana: you can attach a patch to a ticket |
| 20:18.09 | Catariana | okidoke |
| 20:18.13 | Jamash | run forward but strafe back and forth diagonally |
| 20:18.39 | Jamash | lua>1.3/(2^0.5) |
| 20:18.40 | lua_bot | Jamash: 0.91923881554251 |
| 20:20.50 | Amarande | ah yes, cats move faster than the rest of us |
| 20:21.02 | Amarande | at first I'm thinking "um, don't we move slower than aggroed mobs in WoW?" |
| 20:21.46 | Amarande | that was one thing I always rather liked about LOTRO. an unmounted player running was faster than almost any mob, so running was virtually always an option (unless the terrain was too cramped to have an exit MORIA I AM LOOKING AT YOU) |
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| 20:22.13 | End_ | it's been a while |
| 20:22.18 | End_ | so long nickserv doesn't remember me |
| 20:22.22 | Amarande | Blizzard seems not to want us to be able to run too easily from mobs though :S |
| 20:22.55 | Amarande | I wonder if it has to do with the fact that it's been known to bug out instances. :) |
| 20:23.12 | Amarande | I still remember that weird ass SM Cath run right after 4.0.3 hit |
| 20:23.56 | Amarande | someone aggroed the last boss without finishing cleaning out the room first |
| 20:24.28 | Amarande | and being that I was a mage, so 1) at the back of the group and 2) had blink available for an extra flight boost, figured it was probably a really good idea to get out while the getting was good, as I know how *that* plays out |
| 20:24.41 | Amarande | anyway, thanks to blink and being at the back of the group to begin with, I make it out of the instance alive |
| 20:25.43 | Amarande | well ... pretty much the whole rest of the encounter ended up being ludicrously bugged, Mograine wouldn't reset once the rest of the party died and I was out of the instance ... I remember we eventually killed him in the first courtyard area and Whitemane just never showed up at all |
| 20:25.58 | Amarande | we even went back into the cathedral building to check, the door had duly opened as it always does, but there was no sign of Whitemane |
| 20:26.06 | mckenziemc | this is why you don't run out like a coward |
| 20:26.47 | Amarande | mckenziemc: um, when you know there's an absolutely 100% chance of a wipe and a 100% chance that you can get out? |
| 20:27.56 | mckenziemc | and 90% chance of getting one of your teammates in combat when they run in and you're still on the way out, then the same mobs attack you when you run back in |
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| 20:30.06 | Amarande | mckenziemc: actually I most definitely remember getting out before anyone else went back in |
| 20:30.13 | Amarande | which means it was definitely a bug |
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| 20:53.40 | Jamash | feign death is godly |
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| 21:00.53 | arkanes | they really should get rid of positional requirements overall |
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| 21:01.24 | Amarande | arkanes: ehhh, that might backfire |
| 21:01.27 | arkanes | except for parry sub rogues are cats are the only ones left that have one, and all it does is just screw with encounter mechanics |
| 21:01.29 | foxlit | arkanes: you mean "they should remove abilities that require positional requirements" |
| 21:01.52 | arkanes | I mean they should remove abilities that have positional requirements, both explicit and implicit |
| 21:02.04 | arkanes | I'm nominally okay with frontal parry |
| 21:02.08 | Amarande | positional requirements help a lot of groups live a lot happier lives |
| 21:02.12 | Amarande | since, if you have frontal parry |
| 21:02.12 | arkanes | except it screws tanks which matters more now |
| 21:02.29 | foxlit | I thought parry-hasting wasn't a thing anymore. |
| 21:02.32 | arkanes | it's not |
| 21:02.36 | arkanes | hasn't been for a long time |
| 21:02.47 | Amarande | it does rather help reduce the number of bad melee DPS in PUGs |
| 21:03.08 | Amarande | if you set up their skills so that they have an obvious advantage by attacking from the side that they're supposed to be attacking from in a group setting |
| 21:03.20 | arkanes | it's got a minimal effect on gameplay anymore and all it really does is make for screwey mechanics on bosses |
| 21:03.35 | Amarande | indeed, I wonder if that is one particularly notable reason for DKs developing a bad reputation in groups in the past |
| 21:03.41 | arkanes | Amarande: if there's no more "supposed to be attacking from", then attacking from the front no longer makes you bad |
| 21:03.45 | arkanes | so it's a non issue |
| 21:04.04 | Amarande | as far as I've seen anyway (and I used to be a quite successful raiding DK), DKs have never had any abilities that require or grant an advantage for a from the rear attack |
| 21:04.21 | End_ | some fights still have cone attacks |
| 21:04.23 | arkanes | they don't, other than frontal parry |
| 21:04.42 | arkanes | I'm fine with fights that have positional mechanics |
| 21:04.43 | Ackis | hmmm why is it so hard to puncture human skin with a knife? |
| 21:04.43 | Amarande | Which means DKs "grew up" without ever having to learn that it's better to attack from behind |
| 21:04.54 | Amarande | OTOH, cats and rogues, have abilities that work better/only when behind the enemy |
| 21:05.06 | Amarande | therefore, cats and rogues level up knowing that they should attack an enemy from behind |
| 21:05.08 | arkanes | things like ultraxion where you can't attack from behind, or dragons that you have to attack from certain angles |
| 21:05.10 | Amarande | that's what I mean. |
| 21:05.15 | arkanes | Amarande: totally untrue |
| 21:05.36 | foxlit | levelling up with a personal tank is a luxury. |
| 21:05.49 | arkanes | firstly, you *can't* attack from behind unless in group content to begin with so plenty of rogues and cats don't even look at those abilities, or realize they should use them |
| 21:05.56 | Amarande | foxlit: levelling up with a lot of time spent in 5-mans is common now, thanks to LFD |
| 21:06.07 | arkanes | newly 85 sub rogues who always use hemo/cats who use mangle are plenty common |
| 21:06.25 | Amarande | arkanes: well, I'm assuming that the character did some group content while leveling up |
| 21:06.33 | Amarande | which since the advent of LFD is generally a safe assumption |
| 21:06.34 | foxlit | Amarande: DPS queue times make that suck compared to normal quest flow. |
| 21:06.36 | End_ | you can't really assume that |
| 21:06.39 | arkanes | secondly, rogues and cats are the only ones who have *ever* had these mechanics |
| 21:06.49 | Amarande | foxlit: yeah, but you can quest while you're in the queue |
| 21:07.01 | arkanes | Amarande: aside from it not being valid, there's nothign about lfd that would push them toward learning this |
| 21:07.18 | Amarande | arkanes: the fact that it makes it a lot more common to do group content than it was |
| 21:07.38 | arkanes | there's no sign that goes off when you zone into your first 5 man that says "you're in group content now, start using shred" |
| 21:07.51 | Amarande | Well, from 2.3 through 3.2, it was generally accepted that you didn't do group content much if at all until you hit cap |
| 21:08.18 | arkanes | LFD as you level teaches you basically nothing about how to do group content |
| 21:08.18 | Amarande | Once LFD came out, a lot more people started doing a lot more group content, and if they look at their skill bar they'll note "hey this skill does a lot more damage but I have to use it from behind. Maybe I should move kitty/rogue behind the boss." |
| 21:08.24 | arkanes | at least not until at or near level cap |
| 21:08.39 | arkanes | Amarande: this is why they have the new ability tooltips and the skill guids |
| 21:08.52 | Amarande | at or near level cap is also when you'll have more occasion to LFD while questing though, since leveling tends to slow down a lot once you hit northrend |
| 21:09.00 | arkanes | but I still don't think it's enough, and anyway this is all predicated on an assumption that attacking from behing is somehow important |
| 21:09.03 | arkanes | I don't agree that it is |
| 21:09.31 | foxlit | meh, make every dungeon boss Onyxia, problem solved. |
| 21:09.34 | arkanes | there's game mechanic reasons to do it, those mechanics are't well exposed, and most importantly all they do is screw stuff up on any sort of interesting encounter |
| 21:09.46 | foxlit | Not positioning properly? Cleave to the face, knockback into whelp pit. |
| 21:09.48 | Stanzilla | we did it |
| 21:09.54 | Stanzilla | carried the weirdo |
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| 21:09.59 | arkanes | foxlit: that's fine, and thats an entirely different thing |
| 21:10.21 | arkanes | foxlit: the lack of positional requirements on abilities and classes is what lets you make encounters that have specific positioning needs |
| 21:10.25 | arkanes | ultraxion, for example |
| 21:10.38 | arkanes | less extremely, look at all the oozes and tentacles in DS, which have no obvious facing |
| 21:10.47 | arkanes | you run around them until you find a locatoin from which you can backstab, it's stupid |
| 21:11.05 | Amarande | and, in any case, there will always be an advantage to attacking from behind in boss encounters even if cats and rogues had no mechanics forcing them to do so to use certain skills |
| 21:11.16 | arkanes | no, there wouldn't |
| 21:11.18 | foxlit | while I sympathize, I don't think it's necessary that every boss be effectively backstabable. |
| 21:11.19 | Amarande | and, in fact, the classes that will enjoy that advantage the most are ... welll ... cats and rogues |
| 21:11.21 | arkanes | not in the general case |
| 21:11.32 | Amarande | arkanes: attacking frontally more than doubles the amount of expertise rating you need to land every hit |
| 21:11.42 | arkanes | Amarande: I'm suggesting that it shouldn't |
| 21:11.48 | Amarande | this translates directly into a % DPS reduction |
| 21:11.52 | arkanes | the only reason it does that is to induce people to attack from behind |
| 21:12.04 | Amarande | well, then you have two choices, though |
| 21:12.26 | Amarande | either you don't let mobs parry at all, or you let mobs parry attacks from behind and my mind is still trying to wrap around how mobs would be able to do that. :) |
| 21:12.35 | Amarande | (Then again, we're talking about a game where you can poison robots, soo ... heh) |
| 21:12.41 | arkanes | mobs can already parry from behind |
| 21:12.47 | arkanes | they just parry *more* from the front |
| 21:12.57 | Amarande | no, mobs can dodge from behind, they can only parry from the front |
| 21:13.00 | arkanes | incorrect |
| 21:13.19 | arkanes | mobs can also block from behind |
| 21:13.24 | arkanes | they don't use the same mechanics that players do |
| 21:13.46 | Amarande | "For boss-level mobs (which are calculated as level + 3) the soft cap is 6.5% dodge or 26 expertise (781 expertise rating), and the hard cap is 14% parry or 56 expertise (1682 expertise rating). Melee DPS classes will usually focus on the soft cap, since bosses cannot parry when attacked from behind." |
| 21:13.59 | arkanes | regardless, it doesn't matter |
| 21:14.18 | arkanes | the only reason why bosses have parry/dodge at all anymore is to require you to hit expertise caps |
| 21:14.36 | arkanes | melee are balanced around the assumption that they will have it, so there's no need to actually change anything |
| 21:14.43 | Amarande | arkanes: expertise wasn't introduced till 2.3 |
| 21:14.49 | arkanes | Amarande: "any more" |
| 21:15.08 | Amarande | mobs have had dodge and parry long before that, what was its purpose then? :) |
| 21:15.21 | arkanes | to inject randomness into the dps mechanics |
| 21:15.24 | Amarande | especially dodge, since there was only a parry-haste phenomenon, dodge didn't give anything to the boss beyond avoidance |
| 21:15.33 | arkanes | same reason why glancing blows existed |
| 21:15.42 | Amarande | granted, up through BC there was also the 99% hit cap thing, too |
| 21:15.56 | arkanes | but mostly, because wow classic wasn't really designed frmo a game mechanics perspectivce |
| 21:16.13 | arkanes | they invented mechanics based on a "makes sense" sort of thing and then balanced the mechanics |
| 21:16.26 | nevcairiel | thats why the game was still fun then |
| 21:16.31 | arkanes | they've been geting much better recently at deciding on the gameplay they want first and building the mechanics around that |
| 21:16.37 | arkanes | no, it's not |
| 21:17.11 | haste | http://i.imgur.com/dNVlM.jpg this is a promising start |
| 21:17.15 | arkanes | nobody decided to play wow instead of eq because bosses had parry haste |
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| 21:17.59 | Amarande | heh, yeah, people don't decide on games because of a specific technical thing, no |
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| 21:18.22 | Amarande | despite the fact that there are plenty of dev interviews where a particular new OpenGL or DirectX frobnitz is discussed with the same gravity that would be accorded to story and gameplay design ... heh |
| 21:18.24 | nevcairiel | you only figure out if a game is fun after starting to play it, duh :) |
| 21:18.50 | zenzelezz | you'd think |
| 21:18.54 | End_ | haste, I...I don't think it's supposed to look like that |
| 21:19.15 | Amarande | like, really, do people choose a game based on the fact that it used all the latest OGL or DX frobnitzes? :P |
| 21:19.22 | arkanes | nevcairiel: you think there's a lot of peple who started playing wow, and then got all excited because of the deep and sophisticated parry-based gameplay? |
| 21:19.31 | arkanes | and thats what kept them going? |
| 21:19.41 | Amarande | (if anything, that might cause that kind of dev to lose customers, since the latest frobnitzes usually require expensive gaming rigs to really take advantage of) |
| 21:20.05 | arkanes | Amarande: shiny screenshots do create buzz, and buzz does sell games |
| 21:20.20 | nevcairiel | not by knowing that explicit fact, but the overall game was more fun with all its oddities and whatnot, an over-engineered mathematical game is just something different :p |
| 21:20.25 | arkanes | it's not the *only* think of course |
| 21:21.07 | Amarande | heh, when I read interviews like that what I get is the impression that the nVidia logo money must be worth an amount equal to a very significant percentage of the actual customer base. :S |
| 21:21.08 | arkanes | nevcairiel: I think you're talking about how it was more exciting to discover all those oddities and figure out how to play around and with them |
| 21:21.27 | arkanes | nevcairiel: which I don't disagree with, but is really a matter of how new the game is and not how cleanly it is designed |
| 21:21.36 | nevcairiel | of course, what else would i be talking about |
| 21:21.45 | nevcairiel | if you can calculate your every action, its no fun |
| 21:21.52 | arkanes | wow is an old game and it's mechanics are incredibly well understood by anyone and relying on that to drive gameplay isn't going to be effective |
| 21:22.11 | arkanes | I'm sure the first couple hundred years of chess had a lot more exploration to it as well |
| 21:22.24 | Amarande | arkanes: yet, chess is still found to be interesting |
| 21:22.33 | Amarande | Capablanca's "draw death" fears have yet to be realised |
| 21:25.41 | Amarande | of course, there are the openings that are analysed a billion moves deep and tend to have to be played out of book |
| 21:25.57 | Amarande | but this is why I avoid opening 1 e4 against serious opposition and won't answer e4 with c5 |
| 21:26.04 | arkanes | there's been a couple openings that have been proved out |
| 21:26.09 | arkanes | maybe just one? I can't recall for sure |
| 21:26.32 | Amarande | well, some variations have been proven sound or not or to be forced draws |
| 21:26.54 | arkanes | I'm not a huge chess guy |
| 21:26.57 | Amarande | actually this is why the Sicilian sucks, almost every deviation from the beaten path in some variations is known to have a crushing tactical refutation, so you're stuck playing the book line |
| 21:27.03 | Amarande | Like I said, this is why I don't play the Sicilian |
| 21:28.15 | arkanes | anyway, I think they should either get rid of position issues entirely |
| 21:28.19 | Amarande | It's pretty popular at the GM level, but I guess you can't really blame them, when you have a strict time limit to play in being able to rattle off the first 25-30 moves out of book is a huge advantage |
| 21:28.34 | arkanes | or they need to clean up their tech so they can do stuff like have bosses you can backstab in the nose without them being full of bugs |
| 21:29.12 | Amarande | arkanes: then you might as well just dispense with WoW style battle altogether and change the battle system to something like ATB. heh |
| 21:29.14 | arkanes | probably need to do that anyway |
| 21:29.17 | arkanes | Amarande: not at all |
| 21:29.29 | arkanes | it's still very much wow and I'm not suggestion position stop mattering |
| 21:29.48 | Adys | Dagmar: ping |
| 21:29.49 | arkanes | removing the ability requirements lets you be more flexible and make more interesting encounters, not less |
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| 21:30.47 | arkanes | subs basically useless on ultaxion because they don't have the tech to easily make his "back" be his front for all purposes |
| 21:31.01 | arkanes | they had to do each one individually, for whatever reason, and it wasn't complete |
| 21:31.32 | arkanes | if they can clean that up, then we can have more fights like that, and in addition we can more easily do away with silly things like tentacles that have "fronts" and "backs" |
| 21:32.14 | arkanes | or chains, or mushrooms, or all kinds of stuff like that |
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| 21:35.39 | Stanzilla | kd3: btw, she got ranked with that hunter <.< |
| 21:36.22 | Gnarfoz | oO |
| 21:36.23 | Gnarfoz | what |
| 21:37.07 | Catariana | the back of the tentacle is the one that's clearly draped in mating plumery, arkanes. c'mon now ;V |
| 21:37.16 | Stanzilla | Gnarfoz: http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-zf2u1bc05ypfi9sw/ |
| 21:37.23 | Stanzilla | with 6779 dps |
| 21:37.24 | Stanzilla | xD |
| 21:37.25 | Gnarfoz | really |
| 21:37.31 | Gnarfoz | that's horrible |
| 21:37.36 | Gnarfoz | guess nobody plays her spec |
| 21:37.49 | Stanzilla | yeah |
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| 21:38.00 | Dagmar | wtf |
| 21:38.23 | Gnarfoz | and yes, I kept her armory open to check if she actually got the achievement |
| 21:38.26 | Gnarfoz | (horrible) |
| 21:38.40 | Stanzilla | ^^ |
| 21:38.55 | Stanzilla | she said it's her first title |
| 21:39.17 | Gnarfoz | she probably wasn't lying |
| 21:39.17 | Catariana | well hey good for her |
| 21:39.59 | Gnarfoz | great, x64 beta still crashing on startup |
| 21:40.32 | End_ | hm I'm running the x64 beta client just fine at the moment |
| 21:40.38 | nevcairiel | mine worked too |
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| 21:40.41 | Gnarfoz | weird |
| 21:40.43 | Gnarfoz | no idea then |
| 21:40.44 | End_ | so it's not like that one build at least |
| 21:41.00 | Gnarfoz | could re-download the whole thing since blizzard doesn't offer a repair tool anymore |
| 21:41.43 | End_ | I'm guessing you've tried the 32 bit client? |
| 21:41.51 | Catariana | try swapping your directx setting |
| 21:44.37 | Gnarfoz | not that "tech support" forum dx crap again |
| 21:44.43 | Gnarfoz | :P |
| 21:44.53 | Gnarfoz | and yes, the 32b client works fine |
| 21:44.58 | End_ | interesting |
| 21:45.20 | Gnarfoz | also this lightning storm seems to be interfering with my internets |
| 21:51.57 | Torhal | Gnarfoz: Join #wowtech |
| 21:52.32 | Gnarfoz | uhm, no thanks |
| 21:52.32 | Gnarfoz | ;) |
| 21:53.02 | Torhal | Gnarfoz: Ok, if you don't want help |
| 21:53.37 | Gnarfoz | not from them, no |
| 21:54.33 | Gnarfoz | see above, the 32b client works fine, sending the crash reports for the 64b one will hopefully help actual developers fix the problem some time ;) |
| 21:54.53 | F16Gaming | i doubt they read those |
| 21:55.06 | Gnarfoz | I doubt they'd have the error reporting tool if they didn't read them. |
| 21:55.25 | F16Gaming | seeing how dozens of reports were sent about memory leaks and nothing was done to fix them |
| 21:55.42 | Amarande | Gnarfoz: MoP won't have a repair tool? |
| 21:55.45 | Amarande | or is that just for beta? |
| 21:56.01 | End_ | I think they look at them more on an aggregate level |
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| 21:58.02 | Arrowmaster | Adys: yay multiarch http://packages.debian.org/sid/ia32-libs-i386 |
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| 22:02.46 | Gnarfoz | I wonder how you sent a "report about memory leaks" using the crash report tool |
| 22:02.54 | Gnarfoz | seeing how you can not choose what to report |
| 22:02.56 | Gnarfoz | at all |
| 22:04.04 | Amarande | oh, also speaking of MoP, seeing as I am leveling a mage |
| 22:04.21 | Amarande | is Teleport: Theramore being removed entirely, changed to a different destination or something else? |
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| 22:08.31 | karl_w_w | oh sweet jesus |
| 22:08.47 | karl_w_w | why are facebook putting "trending articles" in my news feed |
| 22:14.12 | Amarande | blah, is there a good place to get tin these days, or is it better to just sell copper and buy the tin from the AH :S |
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| 22:14.28 | Amarande | last time I leveled mining at this point was well before cata |
| 22:15.28 | Zorben | tin has always been a bottleneck I think |
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| 22:15.53 | karl_w_w | i just teleported to theramore to test it out |
| 22:15.59 | karl_w_w | and theramore is still there |
| 22:16.14 | Amarande | yeah, I'm wondering how it's going to be handled when it gets destroyed |
| 22:16.14 | Dark_Elf | i wish they would make all the professions available instead of just 2 |
| 22:16.37 | Amarande | if it's going to be replaced with a little Alliance quest hub "ruins of theramore" or "theramore refugee camp" or the like or just sunk entirely underwater |
| 22:17.03 | Amarande | hmmm probably shouldn't stand on this road and irc, I seem to remember an elite likes to pat this road |
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| 22:19.49 | Amarande | heh, and once again I'm way ahead of this leveling guide |
| 22:19.58 | Amarande | "Congrats on level 16" I'm over halfway to 17 already now :) |
| 22:20.09 | Amarande | I think being a gatherer has a lot to do with that. :) |
| 22:20.35 | Amarande | granted I do get more XP from guild perk but I seemed to outlevel questing guides regularly even before that |
| 22:24.39 | karl_w_w | Amarande you don't have the mastery yet, right? |
| 22:25.30 | Arrowmaster | https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.zachtronicsindustries.android.spacechem.demo |
| 22:25.36 | Arrowmaster | tablet only :( |
| 22:28.45 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster: you dont have it for pc? |
| 22:28.52 | Arrowmaster | i do |
| 22:28.54 | Thunder_Child | s/pc/windows |
| 22:28.58 | Thunder_Child | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:29.08 | Arrowmaster | ive bought it like 3 times probably |
| 22:29.34 | Thunder_Child | i didnt think it was that good |
| 22:29.41 | Arrowmaster | its amazing |
| 22:30.00 | Amarande | karl: which mastery? |
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| 22:36.41 | Amarande | hrm. did you used to need to be level 20 to start archaeology or is that new? |
| 22:36.45 | Amarande | I forget now |
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| 22:40.59 | karl_w_w | i think it was always like that Amarande |
| 22:42.05 | bleeter | youtube complaints dept https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTPNAF2wsiA |
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| 22:49.52 | Ackis | Cairenn: http://i.imgur.com/damI9.jpg |
| 22:50.00 | Cairenn | lol |
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| 23:31.08 | Stanzilla | I hate Elv |
| 23:31.24 | Stanzilla | why do I need a premium account to download the MoP beta of the fucking ui |
| 23:31.52 | nevcairiel | because they are greedy bastards and wnat your money? |
| 23:32.14 | nevcairiel | why else do you open your own premium-based community |
| 23:32.14 | Stanzilla | probably |
| 23:32.15 | Stanzilla | dicks |
| 23:32.42 | Stanzilla | ah btw nevcairiel, don't forget the new micro menu buttons in bt |
| 23:32.43 | Cairenn | Umm, that's against Blizz policy, you can make them change it |
| 23:33.02 | nevcairiel | i bet someone told them already |
| 23:33.03 | foxlit | that would seem unlikely |
| 23:33.27 | Cairenn | Stanzilla: link, please? I'll make sure Blizz is aware of it |
| 23:33.49 | Stanzilla | Cairenn: well it's a bit cleverer than that, they require VIP membership do access a certain part of their website |
| 23:33.56 | Stanzilla | and that is where the beta download is.. |
| 23:34.03 | Cairenn | which is against the rules |
| 23:34.18 | Stanzilla | http://www.tukui.org/beta/?a=summary&p=ElvUI-Beta |
| 23:34.42 | Cairenn | Thanks |
| 23:42.57 | karl_w_w | that page speaks for itself really |
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| 23:47.06 | karl_w_w | ^cleverest macro I ever wrote doesn't work in mists because of the api changes, somebody update it for me :P |
| 23:47.22 | karl_w_w | s/^/v/ |
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