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| 02:11.38 | kd3 | yay http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/06/in-bid-for-patent-sanity-judge-throws-out-entire-applemotorola-case/ |
| 02:14.26 | pompy | http://gamerant.com/diablo-3-waiting-period-blizzard-cray-156328/ |
| 02:18.26 | kd3 | yay again. from the numbers thread: "We believe, and we're certainly hearing the feedback, that players are playing from level 85 to 90 with haste, crit and mastery percentages that are so low as to be unfun. We think we have room to bring those up a little, which is something we're looking at right now." |
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| 02:18.35 | kd3 | has bitched about that since he first hit 86 |
| 02:18.50 | pompy | http://www.wowace.com/announcements/curse-client-v5-released/#c3 lols |
| 02:19.08 | kd3 | does it work on linux yet? |
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| 02:20.03 | pompy | Kaelten: ^ ;p |
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| 02:25.43 | pompy | Arrowmaster: http://techland.time.com/2012/05/23/xbox-360-should-be-banned-from-u-s-over-patents-judge-says/ :O |
| 02:25.49 | Guest___ | Hi, can someone help me? |
| 02:25.54 | pompy | ~asktoask |
| 02:25.55 | purl | Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help, if they can. |
| 02:26.44 | Guest___ | Well, I'm having trouble starting WoW because I downloaded WoW Cata from a torrent. |
| 02:27.19 | bluspacecow | http://i.imgur.com/dyK88.gif |
| 02:28.25 | Guest___ | I download the client from the website, I have a mac, and I try to long in with my account. |
| 02:28.36 | Guest___ | It goes through, but it says I need to download patches. |
| 02:28.44 | Guest___ | But I don't need too, and when I do click restart, it says that 'I don't have eh required material to download th epatc' |
| 02:31.38 | kd3 | may I suggest getting the client directly from blizzard? https://us.battle.net/account/download/ |
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| 02:32.13 | kd3 | this: http://us.media.battle.net.edgesuite.net/downloads/wow-installers/WoW-4.0.0-WOW-enUS-Installer.zip |
| 02:32.16 | kd3 | should be all you need |
| 02:32.24 | Kaylin | I hate patents and copyright in their current state so very very much |
| 02:32.36 | Kaylin | what's edgesuite.net? |
| 02:32.45 | kd3 | not you, kaylin |
| 02:32.50 | kd3 | it's blizz's cdn |
| 02:33.01 | Kaylin | I know not me I was just wondering |
| 02:33.05 | Kaylin | :) |
| 02:34.36 | Guest___ | kd3, I'm installing it for a private server, and I need a specific patch. |
| 02:34.43 | pompy | ohh |
| 02:34.46 | pompy | please leave then :) |
| 02:34.46 | kd3 | uh, we don't do private server support in here |
| 02:34.49 | pompy | we dont support that |
| 02:35.03 | Guest___ | "Find your "Data" folder and open it" |
| 02:35.04 | Guest___ | Delete the cache folder |
| 02:35.04 | Guest___ | Backup all the mpq files and then delete them |
| 02:35.04 | Guest___ | Now start the game with all the mpq files out of the cata folder |
| 02:35.04 | Guest___ | Wow will rebuild all the files, so leave it aloneFind your "Data" folder and open it |
| 02:35.04 | Guest___ | Delete the cache folder |
| 02:35.04 | Guest___ | Backup all the mpq files and then delete them |
| 02:35.05 | Guest___ | Now start the game with all the mpq files out of the cata folder |
| 02:35.05 | Guest___ | Wow will rebuild all the files, so leave it alone |
| 02:35.13 | Guest___ | How can I backup all the mpq files? |
| 02:35.43 | pompy | thank you and dnt come back :) |
| 02:36.16 | Kaylin | I understand not being able to predict the quirks of private server issues with faulty server code and third party patches but why the hostility exactly? |
| 02:36.30 | pompy | hostility? |
| 02:36.59 | Kaylin | yes, not wishing them to come back, telling them to leave etc |
| 02:37.04 | Kaylin | this is a public channel isn't it? |
| 02:37.05 | Kaylin | :X |
| 02:37.08 | kd3 | pservers are against the tos - many of us represent blizz-recognized fansites and are vehemently opposed to tos/eula breaking things |
| 02:37.23 | pompy | ^ |
| 02:38.05 | Kaylin | ah, I personally trust Blizzard to uphold their terms of service, I see no reason to play lawyer myself. |
| 02:38.30 | Kaylin | though I get it from the perspective of not knowing what could be wrong with undocumented/hacked software |
| 02:38.56 | Kaylin | ugh 80 min left in LoL queue |
| 02:39.00 | Kaylin | been in for almost 2 hours |
| 02:41.58 | kd3 | blah, I need to clean virtualbox snapshots... ~160 gigs worth |
| 02:44.52 | bluspacecow | lol he torrented a wow install ? |
| 02:45.08 | Kaylin | to be fair the default downloader does too. |
| 02:45.21 | kd3 | there are a bunch on tpb, some of good quality, some not so much |
| 02:45.24 | bluspacecow | *scrolls up* |
| 02:47.40 | bluspacecow | edgesuite is one of 3 blizzard has , including one with a .blizzard.com domain. torrenting means possibly leaving himself open for getting a hacked client :| |
| 02:49.34 | TC-Work | pompy: thats a 'stop talking about it' offence, not a 'GTFO' one. |
| 02:50.32 | TC-Work | (unless they keep talking about it) |
| 02:52.07 | Dagmar | Maybe they should try *patience* |
| 02:52.25 | bluspacecow | or solataire |
| 02:52.41 | Dagmar | Maybe not fucking with the stack settings they don't understand would be another good one |
| 02:56.51 | Dagmar | Maybe what's needed is a Google-like approach |
| 02:57.23 | Dagmar | Just set up a damn seed inside college perimiter networks |
| 03:02.32 | pompy | TC-Work: what? i didnt say a gtfo message |
| 03:03.37 | bluspacecow | heh |
| 03:03.58 | bluspacecow | there are worser offences that warrant a GTFO response. |
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| 03:04.22 | Kaylin | (7:34:54 PM) pompy: please leave then :) |
| 03:04.22 | Kaylin | (7:35:41 PM) Guest___ left the room (quit: Quit: Textual IRC Client: http://www.textualapp.com/). |
| 03:04.22 | Kaylin | (7:35:51 PM) pompy: thank you and dnt come back :) |
| 03:04.22 | Kaylin | if you mean literally no, though that probably was intended to mean something similar. |
| 03:04.43 | Kaylin | (removed some spam between 1st and 2nd messages) |
| 03:06.28 | Dagmar | No Freenode admin is going to have a problem with someone being asked to hit the road because they were violating a ToS or pirating |
| 03:06.46 | mckenziemc | not the point |
| 03:08.03 | pompy | Kaylin: nah, i wasnt going to say like "get the fuck out of here right this second or you will be reported asshole" |
| 03:08.05 | pompy | im so confused |
| 03:08.17 | bluspacecow | your a girl pompy not a boy. |
| 03:08.23 | Dagmar | heh |
| 03:08.32 | Kaylin | (asshole was a nice touch at the end there if it was a reference to earlier today) |
| 03:08.44 | Dagmar | It's all them asian games... messin' with peoples heads |
| 03:08.58 | pompy | Kaylin: define: earlier today |
| 03:08.59 | bluspacecow | kk work tiems |
| 03:09.56 | Kaylin | logs are on my laptop and idk if they're web logged but I think #wowtech was talking about ending sentences with asshole for some reason, it's all kinda fuzzy I was concentrating on work more than irc (which is probably what I was supposed to be doing) |
| 03:10.09 | Kaylin | maybe it was here |
| 03:10.21 | Kaylin | idk my brain sorta melts stuff into one big wow chat session |
| 03:10.32 | pompy | ahh i would check but im not in that channel. |
| 03:11.04 | pompy | this deadly storm rolled through here today and power was out for a good 2 hours |
| 03:11.09 | Kaylin | I would check but I'm just a really lazy/add person |
| 03:11.24 | Kaylin | were you the one who said you barely escaped it when you returned to IRC? |
| 03:11.25 | Kaylin | or something |
| 03:11.47 | pompy | yes |
| 03:13.38 | pompy | Kaylin: only the current advisory http://pastebin.com/JdyqKrEA |
| 03:14.34 | Kaylin | ah, see I live in Seattle, while it technically rains all the time, it's what most people call a very heavy mist and it basically is just cloudy like 300 days a year. |
| 03:15.21 | Kaylin | also for some reason people are unable to drive in it, I have yet to figure that out, like do they just generally hide in their houses for a month at a time and then something extraordinary happens and they're forced out into the normal weather? |
| 03:15.41 | mckenziemc | o.O |
| 03:16.25 | Kaylin | normal being cloudy and somewhat drippy |
| 03:16.59 | pompy | i wouldnt drive in that lol |
| 03:17.19 | Dagmar | heheh |
| 03:33.18 | Dagmar | Wow. EA still thinks rubbing people's faces in the endig of ME3 is a good idea |
| 03:39.07 | Arrowmaster | fuck i just killed kulle and have a full inventory of shit and the vendor is gone |
| 03:50.41 | karl_w_w | you're so kulle Arrowmaster |
| 03:54.19 | TC-Work | pompy: i was using GTFO losely, not litteraly. I meant asking someone to leave because they were talking about it is a bit overboard. |
| 04:01.43 | pompy | now define: talking about it ..... because that could mean just talking about it in general or talking about it because you are involved with it. |
| 04:01.44 | pompy | ;) |
| 04:04.19 | Kaylin | Arrrr pirates |
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| 04:05.15 | Amarande | Hrm. |
| 04:05.23 | Amarande | From the MoP notes on wowhead: "For abilities hitting for 4 digits or less, the combat log will display all four digits. For abilities hitting for 5 digits or higher, the combat log will consolidate and instead display "40k" instead of "40000."" |
| 04:05.47 | TC-Work | pompy: even if you are involved with it |
| 04:06.25 | Amarande | Is that just for the default scrolling combat text, or does this mean that the raw combat log is no longer going to give damage anywhere closer than the nearest 1000 for pretty much everything at 90? That could be problematic for mob unit frames and recount and the like :S |
| 04:08.00 | Amarande | (or is it too soon to know because addons are not yet supported in beta?) |
| 04:08.24 | kd3 | the raw combat log displays the whole number |
| 04:08.26 | Kaylin | who knows, though addons aren't supported on live either iirc |
| 04:08.27 | Kaylin | :P |
| 04:08.36 | kd3 | [Gasaran] Melee hit [You] 20419 Physical. |
| 04:08.48 | Amarande | Kaylin: when I say "supported" I mean "the beta doesn't yet allow you to use addons" :| |
| 04:09.26 | Amarande | kd3: ah |
| 04:10.17 | Kaylin | *nods* |
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| 04:10.57 | Amarande | also, on a mainly silly note: at the rate that stats are inflating, by the expansion after MoP I think we're going to have no choice but to fight Sargeras finally :) |
| 04:11.17 | Amarande | Azeroth is going to run out of other enemies powerful enough to stand up to a raid of characters with this high of stats ... heh |
| 04:21.37 | mckenziemc | after Sargeras the next boss is Ama|ZzzZz's inner turmoil |
| 04:21.42 | mckenziemc | oops spoiler :< |
| 04:28.44 | kd3 | oh don't d/c me in combat |
| 04:28.46 | kd3 | grr |
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| 05:29.06 | Fisker | hugs kd3 |
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| 07:08.43 | bluworkcow | https://plus.google.com/107611420709201726294/posts/F56ZjFennwx |
| 07:08.43 | bluworkcow | lulz |
| 07:17.35 | Fisker | cease and delulz bluworkcow |
| 07:18.23 | bluworkcow | oh ok |
| 07:19.40 | kd3 | eek, quest mobs doing 66M damage void zones |
| 07:20.05 | kd3 | [Milau] Lightning Pool damaged [You] 115619 Nature. (66276045 Overkill) |
| 07:20.21 | Dagmar | o.O |
| 07:20.54 | Dagmar | Shades of AQ |
| 07:21.00 | kd3 | yah |
| 07:25.28 | bluworkcow | @kd3 MoP beta ? |
| 07:25.42 | kd3 | yup, a golden lotus revered one-off quest |
| 07:26.16 | kd3 | I'll have it up on the wiki as soon as I beat the damn thing. 4.7M health is a lot to go through, especially since I made it down to ~1.2 the last time |
| 07:26.39 | Fisker | in 1972 kd3 |
| 07:28.56 | nevcairiel | a quest thats actually hard? Don't bother, it wont make it live in that form |
| 07:29.11 | kd3 | there's been a few, actually |
| 07:29.29 | nevcairiel | In beta there always are, in live they are mysteriously gone or just easy |
| 07:38.42 | Fisker | haha what the fuck |
| 07:38.51 | Fisker | that lawyer that tried to sue oatmeal |
| 07:38.55 | Fisker | is completely batshit insane |
| 07:39.01 | Fisker | he almost make jack thompson look good |
| 07:39.05 | Fisker | makes* |
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| 07:42.10 | bluworkcow | he mad ? |
| 07:47.18 | Fisker | ahahhahahaha |
| 07:47.27 | Fisker | Looks like no one ever learns. In their little press release the EFF uses my name twice. I have a trademark on my name, and therefor I am entitled to damages now 2 fold. What is 2 x infinity? I don’t know, Tara tells me 2 x infinity is the sign of the dinosaur reemergence. I am not so sure. However in the interest of negotiating, I will accept a live TyrannosaurusRex as compensation. I have consulted with my trusted advisor Brett |
| 07:47.27 | Fisker | Kimberlin and we have concluded a 4 step response. |
| 07:48.19 | Fisker | pretty sure trademarks violations doesn't work that way |
| 07:48.37 | bluworkcow | lul who said that ? |
| 07:49.07 | Fisker | the lawyer who is suing everything |
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| 07:49.27 | bluworkcow | oh dear |
| 07:49.28 | Fisker | i.e. the lawyer who represented funnyjunk when sending that letter to the oatmeal |
| 07:49.39 | Fisker | he's so mad |
| 07:49.39 | bluworkcow | is he suing you ? |
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| 07:50.28 | Fisker | nope |
| 07:50.30 | Fisker | not yet |
| 07:51.06 | Fisker | oh nice |
| 07:51.21 | Fisker | funnyjunk apparently "tagged" all of Oatmeal's comics as "The Fag" |
| 07:51.44 | Fisker | and they're suing for defamation |
| 07:51.47 | Fisker | i like this internet |
| 07:51.49 | Fisker | it's exciting |
| 07:53.08 | bluworkcow | ... |
| 07:53.36 | bluworkcow | well then he needs to be trained as to what "everything" means when he's suing. as it should include a fiskery fisker |
| 07:54.32 | Fisker | that was me paraphrasing |
| 07:56.55 | kd3 | no pretty pictures yet, but here's the first pass on the encounter: http://www.wowpedia.org/Quest:The_Thunder_Below |
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| 08:03.05 | Fisker | umad kd3 ? |
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| 08:14.43 | mikma | rtharper: http://imgur.com/gallery/kKBSJ |
| 08:39.10 | rtharper | lol where is that, mikma? |
| 08:39.32 | mikma | dunno |
| 08:40.43 | mikma | rtharper: http://nicolemonjeau.tumblr.com/post/6925777581/peanutrogers-35w-bridge-in-minneapolis-lit-up |
| 08:40.51 | rtharper | ah |
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| 09:25.28 | Torhal | sues Fisker, seeking ALL THE THINGS in damages. |
| 09:28.54 | arton | lol |
| 09:31.40 | Fisker | y bad Stanzilla ? |
| 09:31.50 | Stanzilla | Fisker: WHAT |
| 09:31.55 | Fisker | you lost |
| 09:32.02 | Fisker | umad? |
| 09:32.41 | Fisker | somad |
| 09:38.01 | Stanzilla | I lose all the time |
| 09:38.03 | Stanzilla | npnp |
| 09:40.48 | Fisker | fuck you |
| 09:41.13 | arton | tsk |
| 09:43.10 | arton | almost 5am >.< |
| 09:43.14 | arton | shit where'd it go |
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| 10:34.19 | Torhal | http://i.imgur.com/g0jA5.jpg |
| 10:34.50 | Stanzilla | Torhal: hacker |
| 10:35.07 | Torhal | Stanzilla: Slacker. |
| 10:36.32 | Stanzilla | Torhal: fix my toasts now plx? |
| 10:37.43 | Torhal | About to go back to bed. |
| 10:38.22 | Stanzilla | whyyy |
| 10:55.56 | bluworkcow | hooooooooomeeeeeeeee tiems |
| 11:02.15 | Alram | leeks Torhal |
| 11:02.35 | Torhal | You don't even like leeks, Alram. |
| 11:02.48 | Alram | m8 Torhal |
| 11:02.51 | Alram | i eat leeks every week |
| 11:02.59 | Torhal | Doesn't mean you like them. |
| 11:03.36 | Alram | breakfast, lunch and dinner Torhal |
| 11:03.39 | Alram | erry day |
| 11:03.59 | Torhal | O'er and o'er? |
| 11:04.14 | Alram | yessir |
| 11:06.21 | Stanzilla | leek diet? |
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| 11:08.51 | Wobin | watching this mario marathon is mesmerising |
| 11:09.31 | Torhal | Our Princess is in a different castle, though, Wobin. |
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| 12:37.31 | karl_w_w | it always amazes me when people speak more than 1 language and can just transition between them mid sentence |
| 12:39.10 | Fisker | k karl_w_w |
| 12:40.32 | karl_w_w | how does that make you feel Fisker? |
| 12:52.50 | mckenziemc | feels Fisker. |
| 12:54.30 | karl_w_w | bad luck |
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| 14:20.44 | karl_w_w | http://i.imgur.com/g0jA5.jpg |
| 14:20.51 | karl_w_w | looks legit |
| 14:21.20 | cbreak | looks like a bad sensor in low light conditions |
| 14:21.49 | karl_w_w | :P |
| 14:23.25 | karl_w_w | its obviously not shopped, and it doesn't look like some kid printed it out |
| 14:24.22 | cbreak | karl_w_w: http://www.upcdatabase.com/item/020626728539 |
| 14:24.44 | cbreak | obviously easily forgable |
| 14:26.11 | karl_w_w | can't anybody put those details in? |
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| 14:27.23 | Shirik | I dunno it looks pretty legit |
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| 14:37.00 | Fisker | i once killed a guy for being legit Shirik |
| 14:37.16 | Shirik | that wasn't very legit |
| 14:42.14 | karl_w_w | this thread is amazing |
| 14:42.18 | karl_w_w | "Did anyone check the barcode VS other games, it does not match my CATA one I know " |
| 14:43.32 | Stanzilla | http://memegenerator.net/Jay-Wilson-Diablo-3 |
| 14:46.35 | Fisker | why mad Stanzilla ? |
| 14:46.39 | Fisker | it's unique karl_w_w |
| 14:46.41 | Fisker | google it |
| 14:47.17 | cbreak | karl_w_w: does that imply that they expect all bar codes to be the same? |
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| 14:47.56 | karl_w_w | apparently :P |
| 14:49.05 | Amarande | Speaking of legit, I still remember getting called a noob in D2 because I killed a paladin with typical duped runeword gear using my paladin who was fully legit. Heh |
| 14:51.09 | cbreak | noob means you're new. |
| 14:51.24 | cbreak | so that paladin got killed by the new guy. how embarassing. |
| 14:53.46 | Amarande | cbreak: I'd actually played D2 for quite some time before this. |
| 14:54.07 | Amarande | The thing about D2 culture was that if you didn't use the "godly gears", you were assumed by public game players to be a noob. :S |
| 14:54.16 | cbreak | then maybe the classification was wrong |
| 14:54.39 | Amarande | Despite the fact that the "godly gears" tended to involve having to trade in and for duped runes to get and were virtually impossible to get legitimately. |
| 14:57.45 | Amarande | huh. interesting. not only will there be the usual cooldown-based materials in MoP, but apparently some resources may be once-a-day opportunities to gather from nodes as well? |
| 14:58.04 | Amarande | wowhead is saying that so far they've only found the Trillium ore nodes in level 90 "daily" zones |
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| 16:18.45 | bluspacecow | grats dagmar |
| 16:18.56 | bluspacecow | never could get that site to operate properly for me |
| 16:19.05 | bluspacecow | can't remember if i tried for the wizard one |
| 16:20.57 | Amarande | BMAH = genius. Maybe we'll see the economies on non-RP servers get back into something resembling sanity in MoP :) |
| 16:22.07 | bluspacecow | BM AH ? |
| 16:22.13 | bluspacecow | bad ass mother fucker AH ? |
| 16:22.20 | Amarande | Black Market Auction House |
| 16:22.24 | Amarande | It's a new feature coming out with MoP |
| 16:22.24 | bluspacecow | where do i sign up :P |
| 16:23.03 | Amarande | Basically, NPCs put a bunch of BoP items (an assortment of mounts, raid epics - including old things like Naxx Tier 3 stuff that can't be got anymore otherwise, minipets, and other this and thats) on a special auction house with no buyout and extremely high prices |
| 16:23.21 | Amarande | Like vendors, money spent on the BMAH leaves the game and disappears into the Twisting Nether |
| 16:23.26 | bluspacecow | yes i know |
| 16:23.29 | bluspacecow | altough |
| 16:23.38 | bluspacecow | BMWAH sounds better IMHO |
| 16:23.52 | Amarande | Well, if people use it regularly, it might actually get enough gold out of the system in order to get the economy on non-RP servers sane again. :) |
| 16:23.58 | bluspacecow | Black Market [keneau reeves] Woah AH |
| 16:24.52 | Amarande | (Although I imagine things will still stay somewhat inflated over old times, mostly because of the need to cover repair costs) |
| 16:26.58 | Amarande | RP servers are a little better off because people there actually spend money on those expensive vanity items regularly enough to see more money filtering out of the game :) |
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| 16:27.58 | Amarande | whereas I get the feeling that they're sold very little indeed on normal servers |
| 16:28.23 | Amarande | especially when an expansion is new - since then you have to be in a large guild or have no interest in endgame in order to actually be able to spare that kind of gold, generally |
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| 16:33.04 | Arrowmaster | i need to find a good socketed helm for my DH to put an xp gem in |
| 16:33.38 | nevcairiel | i never thought xp was a problem anywhere |
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| 16:34.39 | bluspacecow | which level is your deer hunter Arrowmaster ? |
| 16:34.43 | bluspacecow | >_> |
| 16:34.45 | bluspacecow | <_< |
| 16:34.45 | Arrowmaster | 27 |
| 16:34.51 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:35.15 | nevcairiel | unless you actively try to avoid stuff, xp usually matched the zone progress pretty good |
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| 16:35.37 | Arrowmaster | id rather level quicker and rush though |
| 16:35.44 | nevcairiel | 30-32 done with normal, 50-52 done with nightmare, 60 done with hell |
| 16:35.56 | nevcairiel | still was easy enough =p |
| 16:36.20 | bluspacecow | DH's main stat is dex right ? |
| 16:36.27 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 16:36.31 | bluspacecow | :| |
| 16:36.43 | nevcairiel | i've had a socketed helm for a while, but i have a hp gem in it |
| 16:36.56 | bluspacecow | only socketed helm i have in my "rares that did not sell" section of my bank has +28 str has the highest stat |
| 16:37.31 | bluspacecow | 72 armor , +13 vitatlity 2 yrd increased gold and health pickup |
| 16:38.25 | Arrowmaster | i found one on AH with a flawless square ruby already in it for 1k |
| 16:55.26 | Arrowmaster | i still need to find these damn battlefield reports in act3 |
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| 17:02.44 | Amarande | deer hunter? the class's name is seriously "deer hunter"? |
| 17:02.45 | Amarande | heh |
| 17:03.49 | Arrowmaster | no |
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| 17:04.43 | bluspacecow | *giggle* |
| 17:04.46 | bluspacecow | nope |
| 17:04.56 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:10.51 | Kaylin | no |
| 17:10.55 | Kaylin | deer hunter is better |
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| 17:17.07 | Cairenn | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84WpcmJ28Yg&feature=share |
| 17:19.01 | kd3 | zOMG |
| 17:19.09 | kd3 | there's a 'Kaydee Threesong' on the wandering isle |
| 17:20.11 | Cairenn | pouts, "No one ever loves me enough to name an NPC after me." |
| 17:20.33 | Cairenn | (although there is an armour set in Vanguard) |
| 17:21.20 | Kaylin | I found an npc with my boy name, though idk if it's related, though it's not really that common either. |
| 17:23.48 | bluspacecow | you have a boy name along with your girl name ? |
| 17:23.51 | bluspacecow | interesting |
| 17:23.55 | bluspacecow | is it Trevor and Treva ? |
| 17:24.31 | Adys | or more likely, Mr Johnson and Jonny Smellpants |
| 17:25.40 | bluspacecow | sleeep tiems |
| 17:30.49 | Kaylin | fishing tournamenttttttttttttt |
| 17:30.54 | Kaylin | twitches. |
| 17:34.50 | Kaylin | http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/545005_438879229466427_851861672_n.jpg |
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| 17:50.40 | karl_w_w | <Amarande> BMAH = genius. <- really? I completely subscribe to this line of thinking http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANSRZYSJzz4 |
| 17:50.47 | Arrowmaster | lyndon is so much cooler than the stupid templar |
| 17:50.59 | Arrowmaster | hes got much better quotes |
| 17:51.29 | Arrowmaster | "Angry naked women are attacking me? This is my summer in Westmarch all over again." |
| 17:52.00 | karl_w_w | gratses kd3 |
| 17:52.42 | foxlit | Arrowmaster: Templar: Betrayal can never be forgiven. |
| 17:53.16 | Arrowmaster | scoundrel's battle quotes for champs are better too |
| 17:53.45 | foxlit | unimpressed. |
| 17:53.55 | foxlit | "For PROFIT!" is like the only good one. |
| 17:54.32 | Arrowmaster | templar is just annoying because hes the stereotypical annoying DnD paladin trope |
| 17:54.42 | Amarande | also: pvp balance decisions for MoP = win. |
| 17:55.28 | Amarande | especially when there is melding of PvP and PvE in the game (and there has been ever since classic, and more so lately with WG and then Tol Barad and whatever succeeds it in MOP) |
| 17:56.02 | Amarande | It also makes PvP seasons besides the first one matter more. :) |
| 17:58.38 | Amarande | One problem I've always noted with the WoW PvP gear system, is that if you want a real chance to do well throughout an expansion, it seems you pretty much have to get in and get well from the very get go |
| 17:59.37 | Amarande | (which was especially bad with Cata, due to the fact that they rather dropped the ball in the first few weeks and let people get an unintendedly huge head start) |
| 18:03.19 | Amarande | I mean, it's one thing that people who invest more time and energy into the game should have an advantage. We call that fair. Where trouble occurs is where, as so often in the case of PvP, people who didn't decide to participate in it early enough in an expansion basically have so great of a gulf to cover that they can't catch up |
| 18:04.08 | Amarande | Which is why I thought the rating requirements have been dumb from the get go. Later players not only have to deal with the fact of catching up on the costs of things, they also have to deal with the fact that they have to *qualify* to get gear, and in order to qualify, they have to regularly beat players who already have it (on top of their higher skill level that generally comes with a high |
| 18:04.09 | Amarande | rating also). |
| 18:04.09 | karl_w_w | Amarande that's by far not the case any more |
| 18:04.38 | karl_w_w | the current season's honor gear is always better than the previous season's best gear |
| 18:04.47 | Amarande | Ah. Good idea. :) |
| 18:04.57 | Amarande | Back in the day, it used to be that the honour gear was always kept way far behind |
| 18:04.57 | karl_w_w | and earning honor is easier than falling off a log |
| 18:05.27 | Amarande | I think it ended up being, Current season arena gear, previous season arena gear, and then honour gear was a tier below that |
| 18:07.01 | Amarande | And in any case, what is the rationale behind the rating qualification, anyway :) |
| 18:07.14 | Amarande | You don't have that on PvE gear (except for what players bring upon themselves with things like the gearscore fiasco at the end of LK) |
| 18:07.37 | Amarande | As long as you can get into a raid that drops the gear you need, it doesn't matter if you're still in greens, you can equip that drop :) |
| 18:07.44 | karl_w_w | the rating requirement gear isn't better any more |
| 18:07.57 | karl_w_w | it's only cosmetically different |
| 18:08.19 | Amarande | ah, they finally came to their senses then :) |
| 18:08.27 | Amarande | I guess Cata pretty much forced them to, after the mistakes with points in the early weeks |
| 18:10.12 | Amarande | A large part of which ultimately is the fault of Tol Barad, heh |
| 18:10.26 | Amarande | wonders if Blizzard actually thought out Tol Barad well enough before they introduced it. :) |
| 18:10.44 | Amarande | Or if maybe the cata beta testers didn't think of the strategy that actually gets used 99% of the time? :S |
| 18:11.58 | nevcairiel | play style on beta is usually much different then on live |
| 18:12.31 | kd3 | I don't think anyone predicted bum-rushing the bridge as the map ended |
| 18:13.35 | Amarande | kd3: what seems not to have been thought about was the fact that since you have to take all the control points, the defence could just camp one of them and let the rest go and be mostly assured to hold onto it |
| 18:13.37 | karl_w_w | i dont even remember what it was like at the start |
| 18:13.51 | karl_w_w | i think i flushed it from my memory |
| 18:14.10 | Amarande | with the result that servers either had to come to cross-faction collusion to turn over TB semi-regularly, or one faction would have it almost all the time |
| 18:14.20 | karl_w_w | i seem to remember the attacking team being at a severe and persistent strategic disadvantage |
| 18:14.25 | Amarande | the reason this came to ruin with honour point balance, though |
| 18:14.45 | Amarande | was because Blizzard realised this too late, and tried to balance it out with huge honour point incentives for winning as the attacking side |
| 18:15.09 | Amarande | of course, what this meant was that people lucky enough to be active PvPers during the specific time frame that this solution was tried got to have way more honour points than everyone else |
| 18:15.27 | Amarande | and maintain this advantage, because as I understand PvP points have pretty stringent timeframe caps now |
| 18:15.32 | karl_w_w | you didnt need to be a pvper :P |
| 18:15.54 | Amarande | (this was also why launch PvP players had such an unbalanced advantage, as apparently at launch people were easily getting points well beyond the intended caps) |
| 18:17.21 | Amarande | and, because of the caps, future players weren't even accorded the chance to catch up. |
| 18:19.02 | Amarande | but yeah, how did it hit release as designed *without* anyone realising that "turtle the last bastion" was going to be the regularly used and virtually impossible to overcome strategy? |
| 18:23.15 | karl_w_w | TB was the first real sign that Cata was going to be terrible |
| 18:27.27 | Amarande | gah. what happened to EJ. |
| 18:27.46 | Amarande | barely any specs for some classes, and in some cases no specs for some classes have specific guides anymore |
| 18:28.10 | Amarande | there's no warlock guide outside the "general Q&A" thread, there's no hunter guide except for Survival, no mage guide except Arcane |
| 18:28.47 | Amarande | trying to figure out what I'm supposed to spec, since I haven't played these characters since 4.0.x :) |
| 18:30.13 | Sintacks | blah. i have to learn how to play beta without addons cuz my guild wants to do beta raiding ... |
| 18:30.28 | foxlit | fire your guild. |
| 18:30.39 | Sintacks | i really do want to sometimes ... |
| 18:30.50 | foxlit | "oh hey guys we're out of content now so let's do beta content so we'd be out of content even better when the thing releases!" |
| 18:31.02 | Sintacks | but i don't have the money to find a new guild... cuz it's the only good guild on my realm ... |
| 18:31.33 | Amarande | Sintacks: gather up the scattered discontents on the server who can't find a guild and start a new one? |
| 18:31.49 | Sintacks | the server sucks... that wouldn't work. |
| 18:31.52 | Amarande | well, except that since the lovely cata guild leveling system means that established guilds get more and more advantages over ones that try to start new :| |
| 18:32.11 | Sintacks | why aren't addons enabled yet fajiodg :( |
| 18:33.19 | Amarande | huh. so apparently playing WoW in fullscreen rather than windowed-fullscreen somehow makes you DC more often. |
| 18:33.51 | Amarande | something which never ever occurred to me, since on Core i5 SB with 16GB RAM, there's no real performance need to run games in windowed mode to be able to alt-tab at a reasonable speed |
| 18:34.00 | Sintacks | anyone know if anyone who has enabled addons has gotten banned for doing so... |
| 18:34.32 | Sintacks | I prefer windowed fullscreen so i don't have to tab to get to IRC/browser/whateverelse |
| 18:34.35 | Sintacks | cuz two monitors |
| 18:34.51 | Amarande | Hm. Maybe I need to just keep playing my death knight till MoP, LOL |
| 18:35.18 | Amarande | One, it's by far my most advanced character and two, the other classes I have at highish level, I'm finding trouble finding suitable guides |
| 18:35.36 | cbreak | guides? |
| 18:35.46 | Amarande | Unless I'm to take the lack of guidage as an indication that warlocks suck and that BM and Marks hunters suck :S |
| 18:36.18 | Amarande | cbreak: like EJ has had most of the time, that analyse the optimal spec and the rotation that you want to use if you are not a noob. :) |
| 18:36.29 | Amarande | (which, of course, changes almost every patch, so what was right in 4.0 probably isn't in 4.3.) |
| 18:37.34 | cbreak | you honestly need a guide to play your class? :/ |
| 18:38.00 | karl_w_w | eg. http://elitistjerks.com/f75/t110345-mage_pve_cataclysmic_changes/ ? |
| 18:39.11 | Sintacks | "how i shot things as huntard" |
| 18:39.32 | cbreak | aim at things with pointy end of arrow |
| 18:39.35 | foxlit | sintAcks: wrooong. |
| 18:39.36 | cbreak | throw arrow with high speed |
| 18:39.41 | foxlit | "how I melee things as a huntard" |
| 18:39.49 | cbreak | approach thing |
| 18:39.52 | Sintacks | ^ @ foxlit |
| 18:39.54 | cbreak | hit thing with pointy end of arrow |
| 18:40.30 | foxlit | make sure to spend 50% of all fights feigning death |
| 18:40.41 | foxlit | The bosses will get confused and promptly drop hunter loot. |
| 18:40.47 | Amarande | Huh, now I'm finding a link for the frost mage thread, but it's not in the mage forum thread list, I only found it from the mage discussion thread. EJ, you suck at forum settings. :| |
| 18:41.05 | Amarande | foxlit: no, there's a pretty guaranteed way to get lots of hunter loot |
| 18:41.13 | Amarande | we learned this pretty well in the guild I've raided in on my DK |
| 18:41.27 | Amarande | to get lots of hunter loot, ensure that your raid consists entirely of paladins, priests, druids, mages, and DKs |
| 18:41.30 | Sintacks | /script PlaySoundFile("Sound\\Creature\\Sindragosa\\IC_Sindragosa_Arcane01.ogg") |
| 18:41.46 | Amarande | seriously, it seemed like about half the loot would be mail or ranged weapons |
| 18:42.52 | karl_w_w | i linked the thread already Amarande :P |
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| 18:43.50 | Amarande | karl: yeah, and then it linked me to the frost-specific thread which I had been looking for the other day |
| 18:44.05 | karl_w_w | read the dates :P |
| 18:44.07 | Amarande | (well, at least till I gave up my Silvermoon characters, which included my high level mage, as I could no longer play on that server reasonably without DCing all the time) |
| 18:44.21 | Amarande | ah, yes |
| 18:44.24 | Amarande | yeah, that's what I meant |
| 18:44.40 | Amarande | all the stuff that you can find for certain specs seems to be several patches old, I was seeking to find out if there were new optimalities to know for 4.3 |
| 18:44.56 | karl_w_w | frost thread - Last edited by Zeldyrr : 12/07/10. all mages thread - Last edited by Vontre : 06/28/11 |
| 18:45.47 | Amarande | yup. |
| 18:45.53 | Amarande | fairly old. |
| 18:46.12 | karl_w_w | EJ has never told you the optimal stuff |
| 18:46.27 | karl_w_w | so it doesn't matter if there are small changes |
| 18:46.36 | karl_w_w | the playstyle hasnt changed |
| 18:46.54 | Amarande | in other words, EJ is highly overrated and being deleted from my bookmarks |
| 18:46.56 | Amarande | :) |
| 18:49.23 | karl_w_w | no, highly underrated :P |
| 18:50.30 | Amarande | but yeah, it used to be that EJ would have an up to date thread with spec, gear, and rotation info for all 30 specs, less maybe a very few that happened to just suck at the time |
| 18:50.35 | karl_w_w | if they told you exactly what was the best thing, it *would* be wrong because you aren't going to have all best in slot gear and perfect reactions and latency |
| 18:50.50 | Amarande | yeah. that's true. like BC warlocks |
| 18:50.58 | karl_w_w | you have to use a spreadsheet or simcraft or at least rawr |
| 18:51.00 | Amarande | where aff was actually best until you got into late tier 5 |
| 18:51.21 | karl_w_w | I liked aff locks' simplicity in BC :P |
| 18:51.41 | Amarande | Yeah, I never really got to raid much in BC but they were definitely delectable solo |
| 18:51.56 | Amarande | dot up a mob, don't even worry about it anymore, just move on to the next mob while the first one is busy dying a horrible death :) |
| 18:52.06 | karl_w_w | and that mage thread is up to date :P |
| 18:52.30 | Amarande | karl: compare to, say, the DK threads though |
| 18:52.46 | Amarande | or maybe I just feel spoiled because having mained a DK in the past I've gotten used to the level of detail that the DK threads have always had :S |
| 18:53.20 | karl_w_w | yeah DKs have always been pampered :P |
| 18:54.08 | karl_w_w | s/pampered/hand-held/ |
| 18:54.18 | Amarande | I was one of Turalyon Horde's best 10-man DKs back in LK, too |
| 18:54.34 | Amarande | well, except for finding myself almost unable to survive on Sindragosa to save my life :P |
| 18:54.48 | Amarande | but really our whole guild had a "special" place in our minds for Sindy |
| 18:55.11 | karl_w_w | gotta be honest, I never understood how people messed up sindra :P |
| 18:55.51 | Amarande | iceblock management in a melee heavy raid is a biggie, karl |
| 18:56.30 | karl_w_w | dps dps dps run away run back dps dps run away dps stand there dps that dps dps run away dps dps hide hide dps dps |
| 18:56.36 | karl_w_w | is about what it came down to |
| 18:57.39 | karl_w_w | obviously I skipped some repeated air phases and such :P |
| 18:58.10 | Amarande | also the fact that Sindy with a melee heavy group was especially taxing on healers, as ranged characters do not IIRC get that stacking cold DoT |
| 18:58.48 | karl_w_w | i dont even remember lol |
| 18:58.59 | Amarande | basically, Sindy has probably more than most bosses features that require melee more than anyone else to pause DPS, and at the same time the enrage timer was often a problem for us |
| 18:59.04 | karl_w_w | we got the um |
| 18:59.11 | karl_w_w | aoe explody thing instead |
| 18:59.51 | Amarande | gotta pause DPS to drop stacks, gotta pause DPS to go hide behind iceblocks, gotta pause DPS to get away from the other melee to avoid iceblocking everyone else (whereas if you were ranged, you could just have spread yourselves out enough so you can keep DPSing till you freeze) |
| 19:00.04 | karl_w_w | nope |
| 19:00.10 | karl_w_w | ranged had all the same problems |
| 19:00.22 | karl_w_w | u couldnt just drop the ice blocks anywhere |
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| 19:01.05 | Amarande | yeah, but a ranged character often wasn't near enough to anyone else that they had to specifically act to get away from them when beaconed |
| 19:01.12 | Amarande | whereas melee by nature are clumped up |
| 19:01.13 | karl_w_w | sure they did |
| 19:01.29 | Amarande | also, more to the point, a ranged character wouldn't freeze the TANK if they screwed up |
| 19:01.40 | karl_w_w | maybe cos u were melee heavy u didnt have to, but ranged pretty much had to stack or be close aas well |
| 19:02.06 | karl_w_w | which is no fun, when you consider that the same stack drop off mechanic had the aoe explody thing i mentioned |
| 19:02.22 | Amarande | ah yes, now I remember the magic thing |
| 19:02.30 | Amarande | maybe we should have had hunters then? :) |
| 19:02.58 | Amarande | which was a class we never really used - I think we had a hunter maybe one week throughout our entire time working ICC |
| 19:03.03 | karl_w_w | pretty sure hunters had the same thing |
| 19:03.29 | karl_w_w | it was good as a mage |
| 19:03.40 | Amarande | and we only had a shaman about once a month or so when a shammy from another guild would volunteer to fill out the last spot when someone couldn't make it |
| 19:03.45 | Amarande | this is why we got mail drops all the time. :) |
| 19:03.52 | karl_w_w | i got that puppy up to 50+ stacks once |
| 19:04.18 | karl_w_w | it would 1 shot you at like 8 stacks iirc |
| 19:06.14 | Amarande | but yeah, we were a lot better on every other boss, including Lich King |
| 19:06.24 | Amarande | in fact, as I remember the first time we reached P3 at all we went all the way |
| 19:06.38 | Amarande | ... and I died in the most ridiculously unfortunate matter imaginable LOL |
| 19:07.44 | Amarande | I actually don't think there was even in that particular case a way I or the raid could have reasonably prevented it either |
| 19:08.41 | Amarande | It pretty much went down like ... I was chosen to be harvested by Frostmourne, and upon defeating the mob in the alternate dimension, I was dropped directly into a defile spot and in such a way that the only way to get out of it was right into several of those exploding spirit things. :P |
| 19:09.06 | karl_w_w | :P |
| 19:10.39 | foxlit | cool story, bro. |
| 19:12.34 | foxlit | I wonder why defile was a non-issue in P3 for us. |
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| 19:13.14 | Stanzilla | because you played normal mode with sane people? |
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| 19:18.52 | karl_w_w | yeah defile was nothing 99% of the time |
| 19:19.08 | karl_w_w | we wiped to much harder mechanics like taunting the raging spirits |
| 19:19.12 | karl_w_w | facepalms |
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| 19:20.10 | karl_w_w | on the plus side, I look back whistfully to LK sometimes because it's the last time our healers actually knew how to time a dispel |
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| 19:22.54 | Amarande | foxlit: it was a non-issue under normal circumstances, assuming the attempt wasn't already going south |
| 19:23.23 | Amarande | It only was a freak issue in that case because you have no way to know what the battle situation you'll be dropped into when you finish is like when you're in Frostmourne |
| 19:24.16 | Amarande | and I ended up in just the right part of the defile for it to be an issue (towards one edge of it with the exploding spirits right next to that particular edge, so either take extra time in defile or walk into the spirits, and the first could be a danger to the whole raid) |
| 19:25.17 | Amarande | It's ... pretty much like dying in one of the Diablos because you entered a new area via stairs or portal and found yourself immediately surrounded by the worst imaginable boss pack. :) |
| 19:25.28 | karl_w_w | u were a dk right? pop ur ams and shit and run into the spirits! |
| 19:25.32 | karl_w_w | what up |
| 19:27.46 | karl_w_w | i did quite enjoy the wipes where defile ended up like twice the size of the platform though, that was always worth a laugh |
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| 19:35.00 | Amarande | karl: or the fact that when you get thrown off the edge by an exploding sphere, your body literally never stops moving? |
| 19:35.29 | Amarande | if it wasn't an instance, I wouldn't be surprised if I ended up back in Winterspring or Azshara by the time the encounter finished in such a case LOL |
| 19:45.33 | Fisker | hey Amarande |
| 19:45.56 | Amarande | Heya |
| 19:46.14 | mckenziemc | hey Frisky |
| 19:46.45 | Fisker | not so hey mckenziemc |
| 19:57.08 | harl | gnamd |
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| 20:08.15 | Stanzilla | hey Fisker |
| 20:08.23 | Stanzilla | just sold madness heroic + mount for 200k |
| 20:11.06 | mikma | u fisker? |
| 20:12.12 | Amarande | Stanzilla: how do you sell the mount? :blink |
| 20:12.26 | Amarande | Doesn't that mean promising to bring the purchaser along for every run you do until it drops? :S |
| 20:12.39 | Stanzilla | Amarande: mount is 100% drop |
| 20:14.49 | Amarande | ah |
| 20:14.56 | Amarande | I have been out of the loop for far too long |
| 20:15.15 | Amarande | in fact, I start wondering if I should start a brand new character rather than dusting off my other ones atm |
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| 20:18.55 | Amarande | or even decide to have a go at starting on a different server again :) |
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| 20:25.24 | Amarande | yay new curse client |
| 20:26.00 | Arrowmaster | i found a pair of level 21 magic gloves with +1 strength on them, nothing else |
| 20:26.12 | Arrowmaster | they got the absolute worst roll possible |
| 20:26.13 | Kaylin | This isn't WoW I assume? |
| 20:26.18 | Amarande | Arrowmaster: heh, sounds like D2 |
| 20:26.23 | Kaylin | pmuch |
| 20:26.44 | Amarande | "yay rare item" "dammit, +1 to vitality, +10 to life, and +10 to attack rating? that's all?" |
| 20:27.04 | Kaylin | pfft, 1 to vit can't spawn as an affix. |
| 20:27.14 | Kaylin | <_< |
| 20:30.04 | Amarande | or you get something schizotastic like +2 to sorc skills and +7% life leech |
| 20:30.22 | Kaylin | haha yea I loved those |
| 20:30.32 | Kaylin | some whacky builds used weird stuff but it was mostly worthless |
| 20:30.41 | Kaylin | which was great when you wanted to trade for "ok" gear. |
| 20:31.10 | Amarande | granted, the D2 economy was the epitome of complete failulre |
| 20:31.14 | Amarande | failure |
| 20:31.29 | Amarande | hmm, do you get *extra* Fail Points when you fail to spell 'failure' correctly? |
| 20:31.30 | Kaylin | yes, yes it was, actually, still is. |
| 20:31.40 | Kaylin | probably |
| 20:31.51 | Amarande | granted, this is to be expected when you have an economy that is built almost entirely around counterfeit currency |
| 20:32.13 | Kaylin | doop! |
| 20:32.15 | Kaylin | roonz! |
| 20:32.37 | Amarande | of course I ceased caring about this a long time ago since I barely ever trade and when I have it's usually for weird ass stuff like IK gloves |
| 20:32.48 | Amarande | except, for the fact that duping causes lag and DCs |
| 20:32.55 | Amarande | for those of us playing legitly on the same server :| |
| 20:33.12 | Amarande | yes, I really did have to trade for the IK gloves once, it was odd |
| 20:33.21 | Amarande | I was able to get all the parts that were actually rare from drops and could never get the damned gloves |
| 20:34.31 | Kaylin | hah >_< |
| 20:34.48 | Kaylin | yea they did make it pretty crazy random so you'd trade with other people |
| 20:36.06 | Amarande | I'm still wondering what the "abuse" they were trying to curb in D3 by nerfing container drops was |
| 20:36.40 | Kaylin | was there a specific area with high spawn rates for such things where you could stack mf run like hell from mobs and spam new game a lot to farm them? |
| 20:36.53 | Amarande | not sure, I haven't actually picked up D3 myself |
| 20:36.58 | Kaylin | me neither =/ |
| 20:37.06 | Kaylin | but that's the sorta thing they wanted to get rid of in D2 so |
| 20:37.11 | Amarande | the only thing I can think of is if they now feel the need to balance any bones they throw regarding drops |
| 20:37.27 | Kaylin | I'd imagine spamming servers with game create and ignoring the difficulty of killing mobs would be things that would do it |
| 20:37.29 | Amarande | for instance, they made late inferno items now drop in all acts of inferno, so they balance it out by reducing the number of places you reasonably can expect to see such items :S |
| 20:37.56 | Amarande | I was thinking more the row that might ensue among the player base if they started making it way easier to get items and thus crashed the RMAH market |
| 20:38.45 | Kaylin | with their flat dollar fee as long as their player base just QQ's and doesn't actually quit and has no recourse, idk if they would truly care. |
| 20:39.50 | Fisker | traitor Stanzilla |
| 20:39.57 | Stanzilla | nope |
| 20:39.58 | Fisker | i just installed ICS on my Nexus One |
| 20:40.01 | Fisker | mad? |
| 20:40.02 | Fisker | jelly? |
| 20:40.04 | Stanzilla | nope |
| 20:40.08 | Fisker | both then |
| 20:40.10 | Stanzilla | nope |
| 20:40.17 | Stanzilla | going DS with my bank alt now |
| 20:40.33 | Amarande | Yeah, I was pondering if it would cause people who considered the money making aspect important enough to quit, endangering Blizzard's chances at selling them an expansion or such down the road |
| 20:40.34 | Fisker | level 1? |
| 20:40.36 | Kaylin | does MS sharepoint need server version of windows or can I play around with it on 7? |
| 20:41.03 | Kaylin | (server not client) |
| 20:42.34 | Fisker | pretty sure it probably requires the full version of IIS |
| 20:43.32 | Kaylin | prob yea =/ wonder if MSDNAA has it :X |
| 20:48.57 | Fisker | so mad Stanzilla |
| 20:49.06 | Stanzilla | not mad |
| 20:49.11 | Stanzilla | lvl 85 ofc |
| 20:49.16 | Stanzilla | with shitty gear of shit |
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| 21:33.44 | foxlit | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showpost.php?p=257093&postcount=5 |
| 21:34.39 | foxlit | Cue people pointing out that there are known MD5 collision attacks that achieve precisely what's desired here: generate a pair of benign and evil files with the same MD5 sum. |
| 21:39.34 | Kaylin | more like phishing trainer mirite |
| 21:39.42 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:39.54 | Dagmar | You have to control *both* files for that to be an effective attack |
| 21:40.09 | Dagmar | Generating a new file with the same sum as another is still decided non-trivial. |
| 21:40.46 | foxlit | The former is sufficient. Submit the benign version first, get it approved, replace it with the evil version later. |
| 21:41.27 | Dagmar | Please feel free to post proof of concept code for that. |
| 21:42.31 | Dagmar | In any case, they should either trust the website or don't. |
| 21:43.37 | Dagmar | If they want to carp about it, they should be asking that the authors sign their packages, and then they can go bother the author to explain package signing |
| 21:44.18 | Dagmar | They want the free candy without the risk. Too bad. |
| 21:51.35 | Fisker | I made? |
| 21:51.41 | Fisker | .:( |
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| 21:53.00 | mckenziemc | i passed 8 GB of commit on a system with only 3GB physical memory : / |
| 21:55.31 | Amarande | mckenziemc, I think it's time to take a trip down to newegg |
| 21:56.53 | mckenziemc | won't do me much good |
| 21:56.57 | mckenziemc | i have no money :( |
| 21:57.02 | Amarande | ah yes, they do require that |
| 21:57.09 | Amarande | and I don't think they take gold, epics, or D3 items either |
| 21:57.28 | Fisker | I love this |
| 21:57.34 | AcidWeb | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTbYUd1jUc4 |
| 21:57.38 | Amarande | say, speaking of the RMAH hype, how much do good items in D3 *actually* sell for in cash? |
| 21:57.38 | AcidWeb | hahaha :D |
| 21:58.00 | Fisker | Adys i lold |
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| 22:06.08 | Stanzilla | Fisker: I'm at 2/8 hc with my bank alt now |
| 22:06.11 | Stanzilla | jelly? |
| 22:09.07 | Fisker | K |
| 22:09.18 | Kaylin | aylin |
| 22:09.24 | Fisker | This is insane |
| 22:09.48 | Mr_Rabies | Amarande: plenty of items sell for the max - $250 |
| 22:10.02 | Mr_Rabies | i sold something for 1.25 :p |
| 22:10.11 | Amarande | wow, what do you have to find for it to sell for $250 |
| 22:10.11 | Fisker | Derren Brown is awesome |
| 22:10.21 | nevcairiel | i bought one weapon for like $2 |
| 22:10.29 | nevcairiel | wouldnt spend much more on a virtual item :P |
| 22:10.37 | Mr_Rabies | same |
| 22:10.53 | Amarande | The impression I get of the RMAH is that when I get D3, I was thinking "maybe I'll make enough off it then to pay for my WoW subscription each month if I'm lucky" |
| 22:11.00 | Amarande | Though it might be like that by the time I actually get D3 *shrug* |
| 22:11.26 | Fisker | God damnit |
| 22:11.42 | Fisker | This can't be real |
| 22:11.57 | Mr_Rabies | unlikely, but i don't have any chars in inferno yet |
| 22:12.17 | Mr_Rabies | maybe items actually sell at that level :p |
| 22:16.31 | Dagmar | They sell when you put a buyout on them. |
| 22:16.49 | Amarande | yeah, how many people buy stuff without a buyout in auctions anymore in general :S |
| 22:17.05 | Amarande | these days on both eBay or the WoW AH, put something up with no buyout is an invitation to fail to sell :P |
| 22:17.28 | Mr_Rabies | no one really wants to babysit a purchase |
| 22:18.05 | Dagmar | I don't blame them |
| 22:18.15 | Dagmar | 36h means they all end on the other side of the clock |
| 22:18.46 | Amarande | I'm also guessing that you only have the one-time bid option in D3, too |
| 22:18.51 | Amarande | so you can't do what I tend to do a lot with ebay |
| 22:19.03 | Kaylin | wow AH bidding ability is completely terrible |
| 22:19.17 | Amarande | which is to set my max bid high enough that either I win or the person who wants it at the last minute gets it at some horribly out-there price |
| 22:19.32 | Dagmar | Nah you can go ahead and bid more than the minimum on an item, but it won't go up unless someone else bids |
| 22:19.45 | Dagmar | That having been said, I doubt they've realized that fails to shill bidding |
| 22:19.53 | Dagmar | ...which was epidemic on eBay for some time. |
| 22:22.16 | Stanzilla | Fisker: 3/8 roar roar |
| 22:27.37 | Fisker | nope Stanzilla |
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| 22:48.08 | Stanzilla | Fisker: 4/8 |
| 22:48.10 | Stanzilla | what now? |
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