| 00:06.03 | foxlit | yeah, they're jerks like that |
| 00:06.15 | foxlit | http://dk2.php.net/manual/en/sqlite.requirements.php |
| 00:10.39 | Sintacks | Hard Drives: [E:Windows 7] 547.30/931.51 GB |
| 00:11.03 | Sintacks | I fixed my harddrive (excluding the E:\ part) for whoever I was talking about that with a week or so ago. |
| 00:11.56 | Sintacks | also found out I have enough free space that I can do a bit for bit backup on a partition of it and reinstall without issues. |
| 00:11.59 | Sintacks | just too lazy to do it |
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| 00:46.27 | Thunder_Child | http://www.walmart.com/ip/HON-10500-Large-L-Workstation-Desk-72-x-36-x-29-1-2-Mahogany/14928754 the fuck? |
| 00:50.55 | Dagmar | It's a lowercase-l desk. ;) |
| 00:51.09 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Dagmar |
| 00:51.09 | purl | beats Dagmar senseless with a 50lb Unix manual |
| 00:51.35 | Dagmar | Hey you don't ahve to tell me it's silly. I have two actual L-desks in my study |
| 00:51.41 | Thunder_Child | doesnt matter, looking for the perfect desk is going to make me go crazy |
| 00:51.52 | Thunder_Child | or even something close |
| 00:51.55 | Dagmar | Hit up like Office Depot and Staples in person |
| 00:52.08 | Dagmar | Their online inventories are always out of sync |
| 00:52.26 | Thunder_Child | yes, but i cant seem to find what i want anywhere. |
| 00:52.37 | Dagmar | Bummer. |
| 00:53.01 | Dagmar | I had a devil of a time getting them _both_ into my tiny-ass BMW 325i when I finally found one I liked |
| 00:53.03 | Thunder_Child | indeed. someone needs to make modular desks like they do couches |
| 00:53.40 | ccox | Thunder_Child: they do, they just charge more for them (because they're for corporate offices) |
| 00:53.45 | Dagmar | Well, they're pressboard so... if you're handy with a drill and can hit up Home Depot for the proper type and length of screws they're sort of modular |
| 00:54.17 | Dagmar | I'm about to start moving everything in my lab around and resurfacing one of them with some pleather |
| 00:54.30 | Dagmar | Doing a little reinforcing, integrating some monitor mounts, etc |
| 00:54.51 | Dagmar | I have a 22" mounted on the cardboard backboard right now and it makes me unhappy |
| 00:55.03 | Thunder_Child | ccox: I have looked through corporate stuff...still a no go |
| 00:55.35 | Thunder_Child | they dont make resonably priced multi-monitor mounts for what i have or i would get one |
| 00:55.37 | ccox | well, we have modular desk sections (long, short, corner, rounded corner), all adjustable height, solid @%$@#%@ wood |
| 00:56.00 | Thunder_Child | since what i need is more desk space for more monitors...and other styff |
| 00:56.03 | Thunder_Child | stuff* |
| 00:56.20 | Dagmar | Thunder_Child: Thankfully all that really requires is some wood, a cheap hacksaw, a drill, and some M6 screws (which are readily available at Home Depot or Lowe's) |
| 00:56.30 | Thunder_Child | ccox: i'll take a long, short, and corner. tyvm. |
| 00:56.49 | Thunder_Child | Dagmar: something adjustable would be nice.... |
| 00:57.07 | Dagmar | Yeah the armatures are a bit more fiddly and definitely more expensive |
| 00:57.50 | ccox | Thunder_Child: I'll take a long, tall brunette... wait, what were we ordering again? |
| 00:58.02 | Thunder_Child | ccox: fine it's a trade |
| 00:58.30 | Thunder_Child | though long and tall makes for an interesting mental image... |
| 01:00.39 | ccox | Thunder_Child: don't worry, there's probably a sub-redit for it... |
| 01:02.51 | Thunder_Child | that doesnt make it any better... |
| 01:03.03 | Thunder_Child | worse i would think |
| 01:03.12 | ccox | lol |
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| 01:34.50 | Unkle | Any beta people with guild invite ability on? |
| 01:43.27 | Thunder_Child | actually foxlit, the main screen on my desk is a 'tv' |
| 01:43.42 | Thunder_Child | has better blacks than either of the other 2 |
| 01:46.36 | foxlit | better blacks, you say? Everything is forgiven, then! |
| 01:47.11 | Unkle | Actually my primary monitor is also a TV. But only because it has a tuner in it. |
| 01:47.59 | foxlit | screw the pixel density and resolution :) |
| 01:48.40 | Unkle | On this one, the tuner is the addin product. it's a pretty sweet monitor |
| 01:58.41 | Cairenn | Unkle: which particular beta, lord knows there are a ton of them going on right now :p |
| 01:59.04 | Unkle | MoP - the only one I'm in. :) |
| 01:59.17 | Cairenn | which side? |
| 01:59.24 | Unkle | Alliance. |
| 01:59.42 | Cairenn | lemme see how much updating I need to do :p |
| 01:59.47 | Unkle | :D |
| 02:03.51 | pompy | BlackNet: sure.. well it would say HTC instead of SAM lol |
| 02:05.12 | BlackNet | ? |
| 02:05.34 | pompy | what we talked about in the morning |
| 02:05.41 | pompy | responding to what u said lol |
| 02:05.58 | BlackNet | you lost me, what was the topic? |
| 02:06.13 | pompy | the incorrectly shipped item |
| 02:06.22 | BlackNet | oh |
| 02:06.24 | BlackNet | the phone case |
| 02:06.26 | BlackNet | yea i rem now |
| 02:06.49 | pompy | http://oi46.tinypic.com/zuw3t.jpg |
| 02:08.06 | BlackNet | yea that's just not paying attention |
| 02:09.34 | BlackNet | ranged was horrible today :( |
| 02:09.44 | BlackNet | had nothing but short cycling every round |
| 02:09.54 | Cairenn | Unkle: char name? |
| 02:10.58 | Unkle | Unkle |
| 02:12.03 | Unkle | thanks! |
| 02:12.44 | kd3 | emails out |
| 02:13.11 | pompy | http://gamerant.com/dota-2-blizzard-valve-trademark-agreement-brian-148541/ |
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| 02:15.38 | kd3 | aw, boo. death knights are not "now less overpowered" |
| 02:21.00 | pompy | http://timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?msg=DIABLO+3&month=05&day=15&year=2012&hour=03&min=00&sec=00&p0=179 |
| 02:21.02 | pompy | wooo |
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| 02:45.31 | pompy | "As such, the two sides have reached an armistice: Blizzard will be changing the title of their upcoming RTS – Blizzard DOTA – to Blizzard All-Stars, and can preserve the player-created DOTA maps in Warcraft III and StarCraft II. " |
| 02:46.37 | Unkle | Which is strange, 'cause doesn't DOTA stand for Defense of the Aniencts. which is a WarCraft thing? |
| 02:47.20 | pompy | ancients* ;p |
| 02:47.21 | Iriel | I guess someone trademarked "DOTA" |
| 02:47.24 | Iriel | ? |
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| 02:48.16 | Unkle | Heh, like the story about the guy who registered AT&T's logo before they did? |
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| 02:48.40 | pompy | Iriel: it was a fan made mod for warcraft 3 |
| 02:48.42 | pompy | in 2003 |
| 02:48.55 | Iriel | pompy: i know that part |
| 02:49.24 | Iriel | http://tarr.uspto.gov/servlet/tarr?regser=serial&entry=85102245 |
| 02:49.36 | Iriel | THAT is what i meant |
| 02:50.26 | Unkle | Haha. This is why it takes so long for us to get nice things. |
| 02:50.37 | Gnarfoz | ? |
| 02:50.59 | Gnarfoz | Valve trademarked DotA, since it wasn't before and they hired the people who made DotA |
| 02:51.18 | pompy | yeah tis all here http://gamerant.com/dota-2-blizzard-valve-trademark-agreement-brian-148541/ |
| 02:51.51 | Gnarfoz | Blizzard just failed to ever realize it could be made into a standalone game, even though two other companies did (and now a third ;) |
| 02:52.13 | pompy | so everuone get ready to play Blizzard All-Stars lol |
| 02:52.36 | Unkle | They demoed it at BlizzCon. |
| 02:52.48 | Gnarfoz | not sure what you're trying to say |
| 02:53.18 | Unkle | That the game was already in a demoable state months ago. |
| 02:53.22 | Gnarfoz | so? |
| 02:53.24 | Unkle | That's all. |
| 02:53.26 | Gnarfoz | Dota 2 has been far longer |
| 02:54.05 | Unkle | *shrug* All I sais, and all I meant was that the game was demoed in October of last year. |
| 02:54.55 | Gnarfoz | that's a fact; you repeating it must mean you are trying to say something specific by that |
| 02:55.06 | Gnarfoz | not sure why else you would point it out |
| 02:55.07 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 02:55.28 | Unkle | No, it just means you're reading things into my statement. *shrug* that's on you, not me. |
| 02:55.39 | Gnarfoz | then I guess your statement was rather pointless :D |
| 02:55.59 | Unkle | See, now you're just trolling. |
| 02:56.02 | Gnarfoz | no? |
| 02:56.14 | Gnarfoz | I hate it when people throw that term around |
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| 03:03.09 | bluspacecow | *reads something into Unkle's butt* |
| 03:03.14 | bluspacecow | "i am cute" |
| 03:03.18 | bluspacecow | O_O |
| 03:03.27 | Unkle | Heh |
| 03:04.05 | Unkle | Just found a "Test Questgiver" "After each objective you will explode. (Sorry about that last bit.) |
| 03:04.21 | bluspacecow | yay |
| 03:04.25 | bluspacecow | got co-ords ? |
| 03:05.28 | Gnarfoz | lol |
| 03:05.44 | kd3|hate`net | it's on the wiki |
| 03:05.48 | bluspacecow | :P |
| 03:05.52 | kd3|hate`net | http://www.wowpedia.org/Quest:Criteria_Effects_Test_Quest |
| 03:05.54 | Unkle | :D |
| 03:05.56 | Gnarfoz | the 'pedia |
| 03:06.05 | Gnarfoz | :( |
| 03:06.19 | Gnarfoz | shame about the domain name :p |
| 03:07.41 | bluspacecow | "SPELL_FAILED_CUSTOM_ERROR_145 - Wait until the Onyx Serpent is overhead directly overhead." |
| 03:07.43 | bluspacecow | grammer fail ? |
| 03:08.00 | kd3|hate`net | oh, yay. they changed that quest so it's not so trivial |
| 03:08.04 | pompy | spelling fail bluspacecow ;p? |
| 03:08.05 | Dagmar | Just to make sure you know they mean overhead |
| 03:08.18 | pompy | they prolly just forgot a comma |
| 03:08.34 | Dagmar | You know, overhead overhead as opposed to "somewhere on the edge of the map or possibly hiding in a bucket" like some people might assume |
| 03:08.36 | Dagmar | ;) |
| 03:08.52 | pompy | bluspacecow: whats the 8gb or so ppl are saying the d3 launcher is doing? |
| 03:08.53 | pompy | im confused |
| 03:09.23 | Dagmar | They may be talking about the long and involved check it does on already downloaded files |
| 03:09.43 | bluspacecow | preorder installer is 8 GB |
| 03:09.49 | Gnarfoz | and by that Dagmar means: bittorrent hash checking |
| 03:09.55 | Dagmar | Yep |
| 03:09.57 | pompy | it caches 8gb on ur hdd? |
| 03:09.59 | Gnarfoz | there's just one installer |
| 03:10.04 | Gnarfoz | and the install is 8gb big |
| 03:10.08 | pompy | but they wont install it till may 14 at 8am pdt |
| 03:10.21 | bluspacecow | just thats what i meant :) |
| 03:10.30 | bluspacecow | at one time there was the beta install client and that one. |
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| 03:12.00 | pompy | hrmm |
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| 04:16.10 | Shirik | has returned! |
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| 04:30.30 | bluworkcow | http://www.quiterly.com/7106/draw-bridge |
| 04:57.33 | Thunder_Child | you ever get off the phone, look at the call duration and say "Thats <foo> amount of my life i will never get back" |
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| 05:05.39 | kd3|hate`net | cringes |
| 05:06.24 | kd3|hate`net | "This morning a bee truck lost 3 crates in front of my work. Hundreds of thousands of bees keep attacking anyone who steps outside. I fear for my life." |
| 05:06.32 | kd3|hate`net | http://i.imgur.com/vGHdB.jpg |
| 05:07.49 | Dagmar | I am a bad person who thinks that's hilarious |
| 05:08.15 | Dagmar | THen again, bees generally leave people who smoke alone |
| 05:08.29 | Dagmar | Take THAT, quitters! |
| 05:15.59 | bluworkcow | http://www.fatso.co.nz/Movies/Terminator_The_Sarah_Connor_Chronicles_-_Season_1_2008/20515 |
| 05:16.02 | bluworkcow | any good ? |
| 05:17.35 | Dagmar | At one point you see Summer Glau walking around in her underwear |
| 05:17.43 | Dagmar | Beyond that it's kinda meh |
| 05:17.43 | bluworkcow | ! |
| 05:19.38 | kd3|hate`net | yay model glitches: http://i.imgur.com/tCmYi.gif |
| 05:19.47 | Arrowmaster | needs to rewatch that |
| 05:20.06 | Cairenn | lol |
| 05:25.50 | Sintacks | who's excited for D3 |
| 05:26.08 | Shirik | no |
| 05:26.15 | Sintacks | who keeps dreaming of WoW ... because they have no life ... and play it too much |
| 05:26.23 | Sintacks | Multiboxing shaman is fun... |
| 05:26.27 | Sintacks | dreaming about it... not so much |
| 05:26.36 | Sintacks | cuz i was dreaming about it in 1st person |
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| 05:28.19 | pompy | http://www.reddit.com/r/Diablo/comments/tjvly/simple_firefox_addon_to_check_if_diablo_3_is/ |
| 05:28.20 | pompy | lol |
| 05:28.23 | Shirik | Sintacks: I balance myself! |
| 05:28.25 | AcidWeb | You was resto or ele Sintacks? :> |
| 05:28.34 | Sintacks | ele |
| 05:28.35 | pompy | Sintacks: http://timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?msg=DIABLO+3&month=05&day=15&year=2012&hour=03&min=00&sec=00&p0=179 |
| 05:28.35 | Shirik | Half the time I'm in WoW, half the time I'm in the WoW TCG |
| 05:28.53 | Sintacks | lol Shadowed |
| 05:28.55 | Sintacks | er. Shirik |
| 05:28.57 | Sintacks | I have used the tab key 95,832 times. |
| 05:29.07 | Sintacks | s/used/abused/ |
| 05:32.34 | Sintacks | oh bastard pompy. you made me go on reddit. |
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| 05:33.40 | pompy | sintAcks: lol what u using that told u that about the tab key? |
| 05:33.51 | sintAcks | on tabcomp |
| 05:34.05 | mckenziemc | suggests pompy use his y and o keys more often. |
| 05:34.15 | sintAcks | in mIRC |
| 05:34.19 | sintAcks | laughs at mckenziemc |
| 05:34.34 | pompy | ~lart mckenziemc |
| 05:34.34 | purl | offers mckenziemc some herring |
| 05:35.03 | Shirik | it's Shadowed's fault |
| 05:35.10 | Shirik | he should have picked a name that didn't conflict with mine |
| 05:35.21 | Shirik | sh- should always tab to me |
| 05:35.49 | sintAcks | WhatPulse info for acethebunny: [http://whatpulse.org/stats/users/206877/] |
| 05:35.49 | sintAcks | [Total Key Counts: 39,692,667] [Total Mouse Clicks: 9,845,809] [Overall Rank: 907th] [Join Date: 2007-03-04] |
| 05:35.49 | sintAcks | [Last Pulse: 2012-05-13 07:35:44] [Country: United States] [Team: #stats] [Team ID: 10000] [My Team Rank: 2nd] |
| 05:35.54 | sintAcks | <.< |
| 05:36.17 | Shirik | slaps sintAcks |
| 05:36.24 | pompy | nearly 40 million lol |
| 05:36.35 | sintAcks | in the last 6.4 million key strokes, i've used tab 26k times |
| 05:36.43 | Shirik | wtf is this |
| 05:36.44 | Shirik | whatpulse |
| 05:36.45 | sintAcks | but, that's for the whole computer. |
| 05:36.55 | sintAcks | on tabcomp only counts on mIRC |
| 05:37.07 | Shirik | neat |
| 05:37.25 | Shirik | it's literally a keylogger that you install yourself |
| 05:37.31 | pompy | lol |
| 05:38.06 | sintAcks | lol |
| 05:38.08 | sintAcks | it pretty much can be |
| 05:38.15 | sintAcks | though, it doesn't store info on order |
| 05:38.17 | sintAcks | just times. |
| 05:38.20 | sintAcks | and that's off by default |
| 05:41.58 | sintAcks | yay. i feel special. cuz i got the authors of RSC and RSA to talk to work on making their announces work together (so only one message gets broadcast) for feasts, cauldons, etc etc |
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| 06:23.34 | bluworkcow | http://t.co/VeY3pARa |
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| 07:24.19 | Fisker | hey mckenziemc |
| 07:24.20 | Fisker | umad? |
| 07:24.21 | Fisker | hey bluworkcow |
| 07:24.38 | bluworkcow | you rang? |
| 07:26.21 | Fisker | just hey'd you |
| 07:26.29 | bluworkcow | hey |
| 07:27.07 | bluworkcow | http://puu.sh/urL1 |
| 07:28.38 | Fisker | umad? |
| 07:28.47 | bluworkcow | http://xkcd.com/1036/ |
| 07:28.49 | nevcairiel | why is he shitting a rainbow |
| 07:29.27 | haste | wooo! |
| 07:29.34 | haste | got to use the SysRq key! |
| 07:29.50 | nevcairiel | i dont even know which key that is |
| 07:30.11 | haste | the print screen button |
| 07:30.26 | nevcairiel | but what if i just want to print the screen |
| 07:30.49 | nevcairiel | funny story, SysRq is actually printed on my print screen button |
| 07:30.54 | nevcairiel | never noticed |
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| 07:31.07 | haste | X locked keyboard/mouse input when the WM crashed and ssh wasn't running :( |
| 07:31.44 | Fisker | i'm glad haste |
| 07:33.17 | haste | no you aren't! |
| 07:35.46 | Fisker | yes i am |
| 07:35.53 | Fisker | i hope you never get keyboard/mouse input back |
| 07:36.14 | haste | but I already have |
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| 07:57.36 | bluworkcow | web chat captcha and an open bracket |
| 07:57.50 | bluworkcow | *resists urge to type a ) to close it properly* |
| 07:58.22 | zenzelezz | :) |
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| 08:09.49 | zenzelezz | sometimes I really get amused too easily |
| 08:10.05 | zenzelezz | comment on a PvP match: "spoiler: protoss wins" |
| 08:10.11 | zenzelezz | laughed so hard at that :-x |
| 08:10.37 | nevcairiel | you are a silly person |
| 08:11.04 | zenzelezz | well that's not news |
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| 08:38.55 | Fisker | so haste |
| 08:38.58 | Fisker | tomorrow is the day |
| 08:39.30 | haste | is it? |
| 08:40.25 | nevcairiel | tomorrow is the day we can use the D3 installer |
| 08:40.41 | nevcairiel | even though not play yet |
| 08:42.43 | Fisker | i get my CE tomorrow |
| 08:45.54 | Fisker | ujelly haste or nevcairiel ? |
| 08:45.59 | haste | nop |
| 08:46.00 | nevcairiel | nop |
| 08:46.20 | Fisker | you're so jelly |
| 08:46.38 | nevcairiel | i'll go make me some jelly sandwhich for breakfast now |
| 08:46.46 | nevcairiel | -h |
| 08:46.51 | Fisker | should be easy |
| 08:47.01 | Fisker | you're half the composition for a jelly sandwich |
| 08:49.08 | randomDude | oh ok |
| 08:52.03 | mikma | cairenn: you might wanna delete the D3 beta key ad from wowi? ;) |
| 08:52.16 | Cairenn | yeah yeah |
| 08:53.25 | haste | :D |
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| 08:59.51 | bluworkcow | u yelly fisker ? |
| 08:59.57 | bluworkcow | >_< |
| 09:00.00 | bluworkcow | *jelly |
| 09:00.18 | Fisker | nope bluworkcow |
| 09:00.42 | bluworkcow | WELL I AM |
| 09:04.57 | Fisker | oh ok |
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| 09:54.20 | Maldivia | Fisker: European launch in 130000 seconds... |
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| 10:15.04 | Fisker | ok Maldivia |
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| 10:37.01 | harl | wuff |
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| 10:51.12 | randomDude | send forty million trillion billion gazillion gigawatts of awesomely scorching life threatening electromagnetic energy at a potentially life inhabiting planet |
| 10:51.22 | randomDude | good idea or awesome idea? |
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| 10:53.17 | Maldivia | randomDude: like the sun does every day? |
| 10:53.40 | randomDude | yeah but in a tight tight virgin like beam |
| 10:58.31 | MoonWitch | I love how I get called on a sunday for work to help someone out - it's like massively urgent. You fix it, you call em to try again — they don't pick up their phone. .... |
| 10:58.59 | randomDude | i be you they just need to right click instead of left click |
| 11:00.20 | MoonWitch | no, he had no entitlements to use our virtual system (which is fun in itself, there's no other way to work remotely) |
| 11:00.34 | MoonWitch | basically an AD security group was missing frmo his account |
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| 11:44.25 | MoonWitch | §123è |
| 11:44.28 | MoonWitch | oops |
| 11:44.30 | MoonWitch | >.< |
| 11:44.54 | MoonWitch | serves me right for trying to solve keyboard issues when rdcing onto Win XP machines .. |
| 11:45.59 | randomDude | operatice word being Win Xp |
| 12:11.48 | MoonWitch | randomDude: Basically I am using Mac OS X - to RDC onto our virtual workstations at work, which are sadly still Win XP |
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| 12:14.35 | pompy | bluspacecow: ping |
| 12:14.50 | bluspacecow | soup? |
| 12:14.56 | pompy | http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/12/11670075-three-boston-university-students-killed-five-injured-in-new-zealand-van-crash?lite thats crazy :x |
| 12:15.10 | bluspacecow | bloody us drivers |
| 12:15.24 | nevcairiel | 8 people in a minivan? :d |
| 12:15.37 | pompy | they wanted to go camping :( |
| 12:15.54 | bluspacecow | meh |
| 12:16.02 | bluspacecow | my familys done that in a mini. |
| 12:16.17 | bluspacecow | VW mini |
| 12:16.43 | pompy | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:16.49 | pompy | sheesh! |
| 12:17.31 | randomDude | difference being most australian/ new zealanders instinctively wear seat belts |
| 12:17.37 | pompy | the one guy was from NJ my home state :x |
| 12:17.47 | randomDude | is it common for americans ot not wear seat belts? |
| 12:17.50 | nevcairiel | wearing seat belts is not mandatory around there? |
| 12:17.55 | randomDude | it is |
| 12:18.12 | Ackis | "I'm not required to respond to random requests to take over my project, especially from non-authors." |
| 12:18.22 | Ackis | Quote of the mother fucking day |
| 12:18.33 | randomDude | you sound mad |
| 12:18.34 | nevcairiel | could've been me |
| 12:19.03 | randomDude | so pompy? what's the common habit on seat belts round your area? |
| 12:19.56 | randomDude | is it "seat belts? pff they just get in the way of using teh mobile phone better while driving! How am I supposed to facebook on the interstate properly?" |
| 12:20.05 | Ackis | pompy: y u ping an aussie for kiwi stuff? |
| 12:20.14 | randomDude | derp |
| 12:21.14 | randomDude | driving with intent to twitter |
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| 12:33.29 | pompy | randomDude: a few accidents involve no seatbelts |
| 12:33.31 | pompy | it makes me sick |
| 12:33.34 | pompy | noone learns |
| 12:40.05 | Fisker | hey Ackis |
| 12:40.26 | pompy | nevcairiel: no buckle up law? |
| 12:40.28 | Fisker | Parnic is awesome right? |
| 12:40.51 | nevcairiel | pompy: hu? we have laws to wear seat belts |
| 12:42.28 | pompy | then it sure is mandatory :D |
| 12:42.53 | pompy | lol |
| 12:42.56 | pompy | i misread! |
| 12:42.58 | nevcairiel | i was just wondering about other places in the world, like, new zealand :p |
| 12:43.02 | pompy | goes back to sleep |
| 12:43.04 | pompy | not really. |
| 12:43.10 | pompy | lol yeah |
| 12:44.31 | pompy | well apparently after the numerous accidents around here, 90% of them involve no seat belts on |
| 12:44.53 | pompy | i hate seeing ppl getting in their cars and driving right away, yes but they can put it on as they are driving, but thats a very low chance! |
| 12:45.15 | bluspacecow | heh |
| 12:45.20 | bluspacecow | its in the road code here |
| 12:45.35 | bluspacecow | "seatbelts to be worn at all times" |
| 12:46.01 | pompy | yeah the slogan here is "Click it, or ticket" (i think) l |
| 12:46.03 | pompy | ;p( |
| 12:46.09 | nevcairiel | in addition, you're not allowed to use your phone in the car unless you have a headset or other hands-free equipment |
| 12:46.20 | pompy | my state basically banned texting while driving |
| 12:46.21 | pompy | heh |
| 12:46.46 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:46.51 | bluspacecow | hate d/cing from beta |
| 12:46.59 | bluspacecow | means i has to click my activate /script macro :( |
| 12:47.19 | pompy | whats causing the dc |
| 12:47.21 | nevcairiel | you should stop cheating the limitations blizzard placed upon us |
| 12:47.50 | bluspacecow | lol |
| 12:47.59 | bluspacecow | turning in quests and right clicking stuff |
| 12:48.01 | bluspacecow | :| |
| 12:48.10 | pompy | gg |
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| 12:55.01 | Maldivia | bluspacecow: eyah, the constant DC whne looting and turning in quests annoys me as well :P |
| 12:55.40 | bluspacecow | *whine* means i have to log back in , take my ipod out , authenticator code , login etc etc |
| 12:55.53 | nevcairiel | maybe you should not put your ipod away |
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| 12:58.33 | bluspacecow | mobile authenticator |
| 12:59.00 | Fisker | pls Ackis |
| 12:59.01 | Fisker | i loved you |
| 12:59.23 | nilyaK | douses bluspacecow with some red ink, because purple is better :) |
| 12:59.32 | bluspacecow | noooes |
| 13:00.34 | nilyaK | yessss |
| 13:00.42 | bluspacecow | nope |
| 13:00.44 | nilyaK | also I managed 4 hours of sleep with sleep meds :( wtf |
| 13:01.28 | bluspacecow | have you tried the freund-taubifor method ? |
| 13:02.25 | bluspacecow | its really quite effective. |
| 13:04.51 | randomDude | a kick in the shins? |
| 13:04.59 | bluspacecow | nope |
| 13:05.10 | randomDude | a tubular friend? |
| 13:05.20 | randomDude | gigiddy |
| 13:05.22 | bluspacecow | no its a friend with a 2 by =4 |
| 13:05.27 | bluspacecow | very effective |
| 13:05.47 | randomDude | so is good sex |
| 13:05.55 | randomDude | geeze bluspacecow |
| 13:06.03 | bluspacecow | ... |
| 13:06.06 | bluspacecow | :| |
| 13:06.09 | bluspacecow | oh c'mon |
| 13:15.31 | bluspacecow | http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1fcouJ3fT1qi8pt4o1_500.jpg |
| 13:15.37 | bluspacecow | our busy police force in NZ |
| 13:15.46 | nilyaK | imgur.com/gallery/axRiu |
| 13:15.55 | nilyaK | caption makes this image |
| 13:16.08 | nilyaK | (next one) |
| 13:16.09 | nilyaK | dogs |
| 13:16.13 | nilyaK | http://imgur.com/gallery/UukLe |
| 13:16.15 | nilyaK | that |
| 13:16.21 | nilyaK | god I am bad at internet |
| 13:17.53 | bluspacecow | https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/544292_10150846203118673_190377228672_9922896_398750682_n.jpg |
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| 13:30.03 | Zasurus | Hi guys. Anyone got a simple way to pull out the L["...."] strings out of a addon .lua? I have added the L[""] around all of the strings that require translation but it took me 3 hours to go though the code pulling them out manually into something I can drop into the curseforge localization screen... There has GOTO be a better way!? |
| 13:30.52 | Maldivia | grep 'L"[' *.lua |
| 13:30.54 | Maldivia | ? |
| 13:33.06 | Zasurus | Maldivia: Guess I could get a windows version of grep and have a go... |
| 13:34.31 | Zasurus | I really need to spend the time getting my head around regular expressions... :| |
| 13:43.54 | Maldivia | Zasurus: can also do something like luac -l *.lua | grep -A 1 "GETUPVAL.*; L" |
| 13:46.58 | Maldivia | or even further: luac -l *.lua | grep -A 1 "GETUPVAL.*; L" | grep GETTABLE | sed "s/.*; //" | sort | uniq |
| 13:53.41 | Jamash | get cygwin imo |
| 13:55.30 | Maldivia | yeah - or at least http://unxutils.sourceforge.net/ |
| 13:56.35 | Jamash | I'm connected right now using a cygwin ssh tunnel to my linux box running znc |
| 13:57.11 | Jamash | also, I <3 dropbox |
| 13:57.33 | Jamash | I tried to baleet an old PTR directory which had a symlink to my working copy of Learning Aid |
| 13:58.01 | bluspacecow | and it went lolz ? |
| 13:58.06 | Jamash | and because windows is f'ing stupid, it deleted the contents of the directory the symlink pointed to instead of the symlink |
| 13:58.51 | Jamash | but it was in dropbox so ez-restore |
| 14:00.45 | bluspacecow | oh ok |
| 14:00.46 | bluspacecow | :D |
| 14:17.38 | Jamash | is Diablo III out yet? |
| 14:17.51 | Maldivia | yes |
| 14:18.07 | Jamash | :O |
| 14:20.53 | bluspacecow | um |
| 14:20.58 | bluspacecow | my monk just got on a felsteed |
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| 14:25.17 | Jamash | yeah someone said they're going to fix that |
| 14:25.35 | Jamash | although they haven't decided 100% on what mounts will and won't be account-wide |
| 14:28.24 | Jamash | basically, enjoy it while you can |
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| 14:33.45 | Jamash | interesting, I have the flying carpet but can't use it on my non-tailor |
| 14:37.47 | Jamash | heroic scholomance? I don't remember hearing about that |
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| 15:05.44 | nevcairiel | then you missed it, they announced it at the con |
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| 15:32.24 | Kraps | how the not-pokemon shaping up? |
| 15:33.41 | Stanzilla | it's 100% pokemnon |
| 15:34.51 | nevcairiel | its also disabled, last i checked |
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| 15:42.38 | BlackNet | 'Stabbing strangers keeps nurses employed too, that doesn't make it right. ' |
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| 16:09.59 | Fisker | what i wouldn't do for some cock right now Stanzilla |
| 16:12.25 | Stanzilla | :o |
| 16:16.46 | Fisker | what about you Stanzilla ? |
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| 16:18.03 | Stanzilla | nothx |
| 16:18.25 | Fisker | what? |
| 16:18.51 | Fisker | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuAXoSnp14M#t=13m25s |
| 16:33.52 | Fisker | no Stanzilla ? |
| 16:34.22 | Stanzilla | Fisker: wanna touch my tralala? |
| 16:34.49 | Thunder_Child | My ding ding dong? |
| 16:35.01 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 16:35.14 | Thunder_Child | no, i was giving Fisker another option |
| 16:35.19 | Thunder_Child | a better option |
| 16:35.52 | nevcairiel | wasnt there some sort of wow movie with that song |
| 16:37.05 | Fisker | what a dumb question :( |
| 16:38.20 | Fisker | like asking if there's some sort of guitar hero movie made with the through fires and flames song |
| 16:39.00 | nevcairiel | so, thats a maybe? |
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| 16:45.49 | alestane | Useful error message: "the bitwise complement operator is ^ " |
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| 16:46.03 | alestane | "You're writing in the wrong language, you git." |
| 16:46.15 | nevcairiel | who the hell uses ^ for bitwise complement anyway |
| 16:46.27 | alestane | Go, apparently. |
| 16:46.43 | nevcairiel | ^ is xor, end of discussion |
| 16:46.43 | alestane | They use it as a binary operator for XOR and as a unary operator for NOT. |
| 16:46.48 | nevcairiel | ew |
| 16:46.53 | nevcairiel | how horrible is that |
| 16:47.01 | Cide | wait what |
| 16:47.14 | Cide | whyyy |
| 16:47.15 | alestane | Not much more horrible than using & as both a binary operator and a unary operator. |
| 16:47.27 | Cide | a lot more horrible |
| 16:47.31 | Cide | they are used in different contexts |
| 16:47.43 | alestane | Although given how much they cleave to the C operators for almost everything else, a little more jarring. |
| 16:47.57 | nevcairiel | you mean the address-of &? good luck mixing that with bitwise in one line |
| 16:48.03 | Cide | you rarely take the address of something and combine that with binary and |
| 16:48.15 | Cide | err |
| 16:48.17 | Cide | bitwise and |
| 16:48.17 | Shirik | ^ can be used for bitwise compliment |
| 16:48.23 | Shirik | ^ -1 |
| 16:48.23 | Shirik | done |
| 16:48.36 | Cide | I'll give you a bitwise compliment |
| 16:48.58 | Cide | actually I won't |
| 16:49.07 | Shirik | that's a really fun question nevcairiel |
| 16:49.16 | Shirik | hey Cide, I have a new C++ test question for you |
| 16:49.37 | nevcairiel | technically, i can even think of a use |
| 16:50.00 | nevcairiel | you might possible want to check if an address to something is aligned |
| 16:50.05 | Cide | since pointers are word aligned you have a few bits to store extra information in the pointer |
| 16:50.18 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 16:50.20 | Fisker | i like you |
| 16:50.24 | Cide | which is used somewhat often I think |
| 16:50.32 | Cide | granted it's not very por table |
| 16:50.33 | Cide | portable |
| 16:50.43 | Shirik | void** foo = new int*; *foo = NULL; auto v = 4&&&foo; |
| 16:50.48 | nevcairiel | you probably would start out with a pointer to begin with though, and not use & |
| 16:50.52 | Shirik | IS this a compilation error? If not, what is the result? |
| 16:51.00 | Shirik | (type and value of v) |
| 16:51.34 | nevcairiel | i hope it errors |
| 16:51.44 | Cide | of course it doesn't |
| 16:52.21 | Shirik | imagine that I actually did that cast properly |
| 16:52.29 | Shirik | the first statement should be void** foo = (void**)new int* |
| 16:52.29 | Cide | fuck if I know though |
| 16:52.37 | Cide | but I'm gonna go with boolean true |
| 16:52.45 | Shirik | v is a bool and its result is true. |
| 16:52.51 | Cide | I AM THE GREATEST |
| 16:53.27 | nevcairiel | that wasnt all that hard |
| 16:53.35 | Shirik | it's the same problem that causes the >> "bug" in pre-C++0x |
| 16:53.36 | Cide | it was the only interpretation that made sense |
| 16:53.49 | Shirik | the lexer must choose && over & in all cases |
| 16:53.54 | Shirik | so the first token is && followed by & |
| 16:54.09 | Cide | can't interpret it any other way without causing an error though, can you? |
| 16:54.13 | nevcairiel | any other interpretation by the lexer would end up in a syntax error |
| 16:54.19 | Shirik | well sure |
| 16:54.29 | Shirik | but it's not allowed to choose the other way if it were legal and this version were not |
| 16:54.37 | Shirik | let me think of an example |
| 16:56.51 | Shirik | what the fuck just happened |
| 16:57.07 | Shirik | http://codepad.org/pTjr9cuq |
| 16:57.14 | Shirik | gcc gives some really strange errors sometimes |
| 16:57.35 | Shirik | that's supposed to say "you can't use && here, no l-value" or something |
| 17:00.26 | Cide | fuck gcc |
| 17:00.32 | Cide | I want my clang |
| 17:00.36 | Shirik | ok well here's a better example |
| 17:00.49 | Shirik | int a = 1; int b = 2; int c = a+++b; |
| 17:00.58 | Shirik | values of a, b, and c are all well-defined. |
| 17:01.42 | nevcairiel | i dont think its important for anyone to know this, its more important for noone to write this :p |
| 17:02.07 | karl_w_w | can we install d3 yet? |
| 17:02.13 | nevcairiel | karl_w_w: tomorrow 17:01 |
| 17:02.13 | Cide | ARE WE THERE YET |
| 17:02.23 | bluspacecow | ARE WE THERE YET |
| 17:02.24 | Shirik | nevcairiel: It's very important to know this! |
| 17:02.24 | Cide | I will be staying up until 3pm tomorrow |
| 17:02.25 | nevcairiel | at least in europe |
| 17:02.32 | Cide | so I can sleep until 23pm |
| 17:02.32 | Shirik | you must become a walking-talking C++ compiler |
| 17:02.35 | Shirik | Cide is striving for this |
| 17:02.39 | Shirik | also Cide is there a raid on Tuesday? |
| 17:02.42 | Cide | no |
| 17:02.45 | Cide | way to log on |
| 17:02.47 | Cide | or read the forums |
| 17:02.50 | Shirik | why would I do that? |
| 17:02.51 | karl_w_w | can we install d3 yet? |
| 17:02.53 | Cide | raid will be on thursday |
| 17:03.12 | Shirik | random kitten: http://i.imgur.com/3zoiy.jpg |
| 17:03.43 | bluspacecow | i'll be knocking off work 6.30 am on the 15th. store opens at 9 am so going to go have b'fast and hang at the bakery till 8.45 am ish then go buy it. then home to sleep till 6pm. 7pm the servers open up |
| 17:03.51 | Cide | http://www2.research.att.com/~bs/JSF-AV-rules.pdf do you have something similar to this shirik? |
| 17:04.03 | bluspacecow | or i could just use the preorder download |
| 17:04.11 | bluspacecow | not sure why i pre-ordered the physical copy |
| 17:04.12 | Arrowmaster | bluspacecow: i thought you had to wait for the US servers to go up |
| 17:04.25 | nevcairiel | Arrowmaster: 7pm is that time |
| 17:04.26 | bluspacecow | 7pm on the 15th is when they come up our time |
| 17:04.40 | bluspacecow | time zones :P |
| 17:04.47 | nevcairiel | only we EUians get access earlier |
| 17:04.48 | Shirik | yes Cide |
| 17:04.50 | Arrowmaster | so why buy it first thing in the morning? |
| 17:04.52 | nevcairiel | around 9 hours or so! |
| 17:04.54 | Cide | excellent |
| 17:05.06 | Shirik | however our rules are quite different it seems |
| 17:05.07 | bluspacecow | heavy rain predicted for tuesday |
| 17:05.18 | bluspacecow | also store shuts at 5.30 |
| 17:05.27 | Cide | what |
| 17:05.28 | bluspacecow | i would prefer not having to go home sleep then run in through rain to get it |
| 17:05.32 | Cide | heavy rain was released years ago |
| 17:05.51 | nevcairiel | puns are never funny Cide |
| 17:05.54 | bluspacecow | but really |
| 17:05.56 | Shirik | like this |
| 17:06.02 | Cide | ALWAYS FUNNY |
| 17:06.08 | bluspacecow | i dont want to go back into town |
| 17:06.11 | Shirik | Rationale: The include form “filename.h” is typically used to include local header files. However, due to the unfortunate divergence in vendor implementations, only the <filename.h> form will be used. |
| 17:06.12 | Shirik | that's just stupid |
| 17:06.28 | Cide | yeah |
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| 17:06.37 | Thunder_Child | Puns are shot on sight. That is all. |
| 17:06.45 | Shirik | hey neat, they reference the Stroustrup book |
| 17:06.49 | nevcairiel | Shirik: it does say that its unfortunate :p |
| 17:07.27 | Cide | AV Rule 43 |
| 17:07.27 | Cide | Tabs should be avoided. |
| 17:07.32 | Cide | suck it Adys |
| 17:07.34 | bluspacecow | @Arrowmaster http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/4768356978 |
| 17:07.42 | Adys | Cide: ? |
| 17:07.55 | Cide | http://www2.research.att.com/~bs/JSF-AV-rules.pdf |
| 17:08.28 | Adys | these people who fight tabs are fucking idiots |
| 17:08.41 | Cide | but they are coding for something as awesome as the F-35 |
| 17:08.44 | Cide | they must be right |
| 17:08.51 | Cide | except in battlefield 3 |
| 17:08.54 | Cide | where it is the shittiest fucking jet |
| 17:09.25 | Shirik | Adys: Seriously, tabs are awful |
| 17:09.32 | Adys | its their coding standard, its fine if they stick to it |
| 17:09.33 | Shirik | I don't understand why people like them |
| 17:09.43 | Shirik | Any good editor can handle spaces like tabs |
| 17:09.43 | Adys | Shirik: its a character made specifically for indentation |
| 17:10.18 | Cide | did you know that a "tabb" or "tabbe" is swedish for mistake? |
| 17:10.21 | Adys | Shirik: people use it because a tab can be set to be any amount of spaces you like |
| 17:10.22 | Shirik | except there's no consistency on what "indentation" actually means |
| 17:10.31 | Shirik | and that's the inherent flaw of tabs |
| 17:10.42 | Adys | Shirik: devs who use tabs aren't fucking idiots, we dont use tabs to align |
| 17:10.42 | Shirik | it causes things to become unaligned |
| 17:10.50 | Shirik | then someone "fixes" it |
| 17:11.16 | Shirik | on a totally random note |
| 17:11.28 | Shirik | http://www.amazon.com/Coding-Standards-Rules-Guidelines-Practices/dp/0321113586 |
| 17:11.31 | Shirik | book of awesomeness |
| 17:11.57 | Shirik | however I'm pretty sure this book puts the tabs vs spaces argument under the "don't sweat the small stuff" guideline |
| 17:11.57 | Adys | Shirik: tabs or spaces doesn't matter as long as its consistent |
| 17:12.07 | Adys | what pisses the fuck out of me is mixed tabs+spaces |
| 17:12.28 | Adys | a tab can be replaced by any amount of space, but an inconsistent indentation *cannot* be fixed |
| 17:13.25 | bluspacecow | *in dps que playing lost winds 2 on ipod* |
| 17:13.34 | bluspacecow | and its about to pop just waiting on healer |
| 17:13.35 | Adys | Shirik: furthermore, it's about accessibility |
| 17:13.40 | Cide | queue |
| 17:13.42 | Cide | not que |
| 17:13.42 | Cide | not q |
| 17:13.44 | Cide | QUEUE |
| 17:14.17 | bluspacecow | ty |
| 17:14.18 | Adys | Shirik: certain indentation styles are unreadable; tabs can be easily set to be more legible |
| 17:14.22 | bluspacecow | i no spell gud |
| 17:14.59 | Adys | Shirik: with spaces you cannot do that. that is the main argument for tabs. NOBODY who isn't a complete idiot aligns with tabs. A tab is for *indentation*. |
| 17:15.16 | Shirik | I want a single button that I can use to align things |
| 17:15.20 | Cide | doesn't mean what it's for though |
| 17:15.30 | Shirik | I don't want to have to push space 5 million times to align things |
| 17:15.41 | Cide | even if it is the sole purpose of the tab character that doesn't imply that it works |
| 17:15.50 | Cide | I'm not saying it doesn't, but that argument doesn't hold |
| 17:16.11 | Cide | you have to evaluate tabs versus spaces based on their merits, not their intentions |
| 17:16.34 | Adys | Cide: and what, exactly, are the merits of spaces over tabs for *indentation*? |
| 17:16.41 | Cide | that's what you guys should be arguing |
| 17:16.48 | foxlit | use neither spaces nor tabs, but an editor that'd indent things as you like. Problem solved! |
| 17:16.55 | Adys | ^ |
| 17:17.07 | Cide | that's not very portable :P |
| 17:17.18 | Cide | and doesn't exist afaik |
| 17:17.56 | Adys | it exists |
| 17:17.58 | Adys | its called a TAB |
| 17:18.08 | Cide | how does that go with "use neither spaces nor tabs" |
| 17:18.08 | Adys | a character made for indentation which can be transformed at will, however you like it |
| 17:18.19 | Cide | and once again |
| 17:18.24 | Cide | what it was made for makes absolutely no difference |
| 17:18.26 | foxlit | it's not only tabs |
| 17:18.41 | Adys | Cide: it's what it can do and Im still waiting for your reply |
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| 17:18.44 | foxlit | it's things like if(foo) {bar();} vs if ( foo ) \n { \n bar(); \n } \n |
| 17:18.48 | Adys | wtf are the advantages of spaces? |
| 17:18.51 | Cide | I don't particularly care |
| 17:18.59 | Cide | I like spaces because of what Shirik mentioned |
| 17:19.14 | Cide | easily aligning things with the tab button on my keyboard |
| 17:20.05 | Cide | I usually use tabs for indentation recently because I think the arguments for tabs are valid as wel |
| 17:20.07 | Cide | well |
| 17:20.24 | Adys | but see i dont mind that |
| 17:20.30 | Adys | what im wondering is |
| 17:20.31 | Cide | but I'd prefer if people can just fucking settle for 4 space indentation so I can go back to using spaces |
| 17:20.35 | Adys | <Shirik> Adys: Seriously, tabs are awful |
| 17:20.36 | Adys | <Shirik> I don't understand why people like them |
| 17:20.40 | Adys | What the fuck is up with that? |
| 17:20.49 | Cide | I don't see why anyone would have a problem with 4 space indentation |
| 17:21.09 | foxlit | Cide: why 4 and not, say, 16? |
| 17:21.31 | Shirik | Adys: Because spaces accomplish the same goal, and tabs cause display problems |
| 17:21.43 | karl_w_w | can we install d3 yet? |
| 17:21.44 | Cide | foxlit: I'm pretty sure that wasn't a serious question |
| 17:22.30 | Adys | Shirik: tabs cause display problems? |
| 17:22.45 | bluspacecow | TABS MAKE ZOMBIE JESUS CRY |
| 17:22.45 | Cide | naturally it IS subjective in the end, but given that most people limit lines to be either ~80 or ~120 characters long, using a tab size much larger than 4 won't give you very much stuff per line |
| 17:23.05 | Adys | Shirik: if you want a real world example, I'll give you one: almost every editor i tried is *slower* at scrolling with spaces than tabs |
| 17:23.17 | foxlit | maybe it should be 6. 6 is not too much larger than 4. |
| 17:23.21 | Adys | kate, juffed, gedit |
| 17:23.25 | Adys | even that stupid java one |
| 17:23.36 | foxlit | On the other hand, maybe space is precious. 2 might be a more prudent use of it? |
| 17:23.44 | Cide | nice trolling |
| 17:24.04 | Cide | I never said everyone will agree that four is THE BEST |
| 17:24.15 | Cide | but I think everybody *can deal* with 4 well enough |
| 17:24.25 | Fisker | not until tomorrow karl_w_w |
| 17:24.36 | Cide | two doesn't display the flow of the code well enough at a glance in my opinion |
| 17:24.52 | Cide | 6 isn't too long but I see no arguments *for* using it that don't exist for 4 |
| 17:24.52 | Adys | Cide: urgh |
| 17:24.57 | Adys | google uses 2 spaces for everything |
| 17:25.02 | Shirik | so I can understand tabs if and only if you use tabs only at the beginning of the file |
| 17:25.03 | Adys | i swear i could die when reading their code |
| 17:25.08 | Shirik | er |
| 17:25.09 | Fisker | if only Parnic was alive to see the day |
| 17:25.09 | Shirik | the line |
| 17:25.17 | Cide | right, Shirik |
| 17:25.19 | Shirik | but then how do you align anywhere else? |
| 17:25.21 | Cide | which is what people should do |
| 17:25.24 | Cide | with spaces |
| 17:25.29 | Cide | that's how you use tabs "properly" |
| 17:25.30 | Shirik | You're forced to push the space bar 500 times |
| 17:25.33 | Cide | exactly |
| 17:25.39 | Shirik | I don't want to do that, plain and simple |
| 17:25.42 | Cide | which is why I'd prefer if people can just settle for an indent size |
| 17:25.48 | Cide | so I can go back to using spaces |
| 17:25.48 | foxlit | Screw aligning things. |
| 17:26.01 | Cide | also |
| 17:26.03 | Shirik | of course, I have the real way this problem is going to be solved |
| 17:26.12 | Cide | if you use tabs you're a lot more likely to screw up those rules |
| 17:26.13 | Shirik | soon we'll have code generators and just draw state machines and such |
| 17:26.19 | Cide | because with spaces |
| 17:26.24 | Cide | you literally CANNOT screw up |
| 17:26.26 | Shirik | and then we can argue about diagnonal lines vs. straight lines |
| 17:26.28 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:26.30 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:26.43 | foxlit | drawing state machines will be the death of things. |
| 17:26.43 | Cide | that exists Shirik |
| 17:26.45 | Cide | let me find it |
| 17:26.49 | Shirik | p.s. that argument already exists |
| 17:26.51 | Shirik | Cide: I've had it at work |
| 17:27.31 | Adys | honestly, the two arguments i have for tabs are size and end-user readability |
| 17:27.34 | Adys | i dont care much more |
| 17:28.15 | Cide | and the downside is that it's easy to screw up the rules |
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| 17:28.39 | Cide | and it sucks pressing space 50 times instead of 12 |
| 17:29.23 | foxlit | another problem that ought to be solved by using an editor that does not suck. |
| 17:29.34 | Cide | I'm very happy with my editor |
| 17:29.56 | Cide | but I don't think you can find an editor that always agrees with you when things should or should not be aligned |
| 17:30.02 | foxlit | except apparently it can't move your cursor to a specific column. |
| 17:30.16 | Cide | you use the mouse? |
| 17:30.46 | foxlit | faster than pressing space 12 times. |
| 17:31.03 | Cide | maybe, maybe not |
| 17:31.16 | Cide | maybe I am the world champion at TPM |
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| 17:34.28 | Shirik | is the world champion at APM |
| 17:34.54 | Maldivia | is world champion in PPM |
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| 17:36.22 | Adys | is local champion in WPD |
| 17:36.43 | Shirik | today's google doodle is cute |
| 17:36.46 | Fisker | is best DK EU |
| 17:37.10 | Adys | Shirik: no doodle here |
| 17:37.45 | Adys | oh theres one for canada |
| 17:37.58 | Fisker | doodle here |
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| 17:38.11 | Fisker | it's mama G hugging them o's |
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| 17:49.07 | sintAcks | .back |
| 17:51.53 | karl_w_w | woot i just installed d3 |
| 17:52.54 | Sintacks | bullshi |
| 17:52.56 | Sintacks | t |
| 17:52.58 | bluspacecow | lawz |
| 17:54.47 | bluspacecow | i checked :) |
| 17:55.06 | Thunder_Child | which means karl_w_w: 1, bluspacecow: 0 |
| 17:55.29 | karl_w_w | cheers |
| 17:55.33 | Thunder_Child | you sir, got trolololololololed |
| 17:55.51 | bluspacecow | good show |
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| 17:58.18 | karl_w_w | woot i just won a dota 2 beta key |
| 17:58.30 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-v karl_w_w] by Shirik |
| 17:58.32 | karl_w_w | even though i have 2 already that i've been unable to give away |
| 17:58.52 | karl_w_w | when did i get voiced |
| 17:59.00 | Shirik | you didn't |
| 17:59.03 | Shirik | you now have negative voice |
| 17:59.37 | karl_w_w | oh ok |
| 18:00.50 | Sintacks | teh fk kind of ircd lets you unvoice a reg o.O |
| 18:01.07 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-v Sintacks] by Shirik |
| 18:01.24 | karl_w_w | burn |
| 18:02.16 | Arrowmaster | most ircds just send the mode changes directly |
| 18:02.30 | Arrowmaster | a few will actually filter out ones that dont do anything |
| 18:02.40 | Shirik | I like how Cide tells me if I logged in I would have known there's no raid |
| 18:02.42 | Shirik | and then I log in |
| 18:02.47 | Sintacks | this ist heonly one iv'e been on that doesn't filter ones that don't do anything |
| 18:02.47 | Shirik | and there's no indication that there's no raid |
| 18:03.20 | Arrowmaster | the bigger ones started doing it years ago but this is a smaller custom ircd |
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| 18:03.26 | Torhal | What I think will be truly awesome is when someone decides to do to spaces what was done with tabs; "A space is x pixels wide" |
| 18:03.28 | Torhal | cackles. |
| 18:03.51 | Shirik | there is no "pixel" key |
| 18:03.59 | Shirik | however, the space bar is the most prominent key on the keyboard |
| 18:04.15 | Thunder_Child | actually Shirik, he never said you would know if you logged on or read the forums. |
| 18:04.15 | Torhal | No, but when the first editor that allowed a tab to be redefined was invented, it fucked us all. |
| 18:04.21 | Shirik | interestingly, looking at the wear on my keyboard, it seems that I always hit it in the exact same spot every time |
| 18:04.49 | Torhal | And once again, thanks to Microsoft being non-conformist, there's the hardware discrepancy to begin with. |
| 18:05.01 | Torhal | Tabs were always the equivalent of 8 spaces until they decided to change it. |
| 18:05.01 | Shirik | ~wiki Ppppppppentagon |
| 18:05.30 | nevcairiel | 8 spaces is way too many anyway |
| 18:05.47 | Thunder_Child | nice Shirik, it just rolls off the tongee |
| 18:05.52 | Thunder_Child | tongue* |
| 18:06.04 | nevcairiel | code indentation with 8 spaces looks like crap :p |
| 18:06.18 | Sintacks | Shirik, i have two spots in my spacebar. the one when i'm playing WoW, and the one when i'm typing. |
| 18:06.39 | Torhal | mevTry doing it on a 25x80 screen. |
| 18:06.44 | Torhal | nevcairiel: ^ |
| 18:06.58 | Cide | Shirik: yes there is |
| 18:07.04 | Cide | Shirik: if you look at the calendar |
| 18:07.20 | Shirik | where it says "I would prefer to play D3 but will raid if you guys want to" |
| 18:07.31 | Shirik | and then I have no button to indicate my feelings, and everyone is in the same state as me? |
| 18:07.34 | karl_w_w | i have no spots on my spacebar, because it's not made of paper mache |
| 18:08.04 | Shirik | YEAH |
| 18:08.06 | Shirik | WHAT NOW CIDE |
| 18:08.09 | Cide | the discussion is on the forums |
| 18:08.17 | Shirik | so you admit it is not online |
| 18:08.27 | Torhal | ponders Shirik's apparent button fetish. |
| 18:08.27 | Cide | I will destroy you |
| 18:08.28 | nevcairiel | forums are an offline resource now? |
| 18:08.32 | Thunder_Child | ^ |
| 18:08.35 | Shirik | ... |
| 18:08.57 | Sintacks | i don't want to not raid on tuesday to play D3 all day. and then have to come back wednesday to raid. |
| 18:09.09 | Sintacks | i'd rather clear tuesday, and have the whole rest of the week for D3 |
| 18:09.17 | Sintacks | but my GM is weird |
| 18:09.18 | karl_w_w | why would u stop raiding to play d3 |
| 18:09.24 | karl_w_w | d3 will always be there |
| 18:09.25 | nevcairiel | why would you not? |
| 18:09.33 | Thunder_Child | why would you play wow when you have d3? |
| 18:09.34 | Shirik | because d3 will always be there? |
| 18:09.42 | Shirik | because wow > d3 |
| 18:09.50 | Thunder_Child | subjective |
| 18:09.56 | Shirik | lua> "wow" > "d3" |
| 18:09.56 | lua_bot | Shirik: true |
| 18:09.59 | Shirik | objective |
| 18:10.05 | karl_w_w | not because 1 is better than the other |
| 18:10.06 | Thunder_Child | subjective |
| 18:10.22 | Arrowmaster | lua> wow > d3 |
| 18:10.22 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: luabot:1: attempt to compare two nil values |
| 18:10.45 | karl_w_w | the amount of entertainment most people will get out of d3 is finite |
| 18:10.55 | karl_w_w | whereas wow is always coming out with new stuff |
| 18:10.59 | Shirik | the amount of entertainment watching Cide's raids is infinite |
| 18:11.07 | Thunder_Child | my guess is so will d3 for a while |
| 18:11.08 | karl_w_w | so it makes sense to play d3 during wow downtime |
| 18:11.35 | karl_w_w | you have to pace yourself :P |
| 18:11.37 | nevcairiel | isn't wow already in that "no more content until expansion" phase were everyone gets bored anyway? |
| 18:11.40 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: does he get slightly upset when people stand in the fire? |
| 18:11.53 | Shirik | it's actually always the healer's fault |
| 18:12.00 | Shirik | I should correct that |
| 18:12.02 | Shirik | it's always my fault |
| 18:12.06 | karl_w_w | if u get bored of d3 in 2 months cos you play it flat-out then u have 1 month of absolutely nothing going on in wow you'll be kicking yourself :P |
| 18:12.19 | Thunder_Child | except i dont play wow, so not really |
| 18:12.34 | karl_w_w | exactly nevcairiel, so why interrupt the little bit of wow time you do get |
| 18:12.55 | Sintacks | tank dies - healers fault ; healer dies - tanks fault ; dps dies - dps's own damn fault |
| 18:12.55 | nevcairiel | because raids are already boring, and you only go because you have nothing better to do? |
| 18:13.27 | Thunder_Child | with exceptions |
| 18:13.42 | Thunder_Child | if someone does something stupid, they are on their own |
| 18:13.59 | Shirik | no Sintacks |
| 18:14.03 | nevcairiel | most of the time when a healer dies its their own fault really |
| 18:14.10 | Shirik | tank dies: healer's fault |
| 18:14.11 | Sintacks | no, Thunder_Child. that rule is always valid. even if the tank stands in bad shit. |
| 18:14.11 | nevcairiel | its rather rare that a tank causes a healer death, imho |
| 18:14.13 | Thunder_Child | and i will wipe a raid to prove that point |
| 18:14.13 | Shirik | healer dies: healer's fault |
| 18:14.16 | Shirik | dps dies: healer's fault |
| 18:14.31 | Shirik | this is how our raids work |
| 18:14.39 | Shirik | if someone's standing where they weren't supposed to be "why didn't you lifegrip" |
| 18:14.46 | Sintacks | healer dies being tanks fault is because tank didn't pick up something that killed the healer |
| 18:15.16 | karl_w_w | i have died heaps lately but none of them have been my fault :( |
| 18:15.54 | karl_w_w | you're forgetting the other recipient of blame, raid leader :P |
| 18:16.07 | Shirik | raid leader gives out the blame |
| 18:16.09 | karl_w_w | or that 1 guy who wont shut up on vent so no1 can hear calls |
| 18:16.09 | Shirik | not gets blame |
| 18:16.14 | nevcairiel | noone blames the raid leader, they want to raid again next week |
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| 18:16.16 | Thunder_Child | "100-watt (250 watts Peak) sobwoofer" that can't be good. |
| 18:16.50 | Sintacks | does it woof sobs? |
| 18:17.16 | Thunder_Child | not sure, but it disturbing |
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| 18:17.43 | Dagmar | The 100W and 250W peak I would find equally disturbing |
| 18:17.58 | Dagmar | Those numbers shoulnd't be that far apart |
| 18:18.08 | nevcairiel | mine is 130/180 |
| 18:19.16 | nevcairiel | but yeah, the big gap seems odd |
| 18:20.44 | Shirik | some day I'll get a BAMF speaker system |
| 18:23.04 | karl_w_w | "Big Audio Mother Fucker"? |
| 18:23.18 | Shirik | I like that |
| 18:24.02 | karl_w_w | i knew you would |
| 18:24.07 | karl_w_w | we're so in sync |
| 18:25.25 | Shirik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocYID5ZvBjs&feature=fvst |
| 18:30.12 | karl_w_w | I never knew you felt that way Shirik |
| 18:30.22 | Shirik | why the hell would you embed a video into a webpage, and then default the "auto start" option to "on" |
| 18:30.28 | Shirik | so that turning it off does nothing |
| 18:31.01 | karl_w_w | because I'm a dumbass? :( |
| 18:31.22 | Shirik | not you ._. |
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| 18:34.22 | Thunder_Child | because they really want you to watch it |
| 18:36.49 | Cide | to be fair Shirik |
| 18:37.04 | Cide | if somebody dies to unpreventable damage it's either RNG or healers' fault |
| 18:38.14 | Cide | most classes don't even have active mitigation |
| 18:38.14 | Shirik | he says this trying to look like he's saying "see it's not always the healer's fault" |
| 18:38.26 | Shirik | knowing my response is "I don't believe in anything being the RNG's fault" |
| 18:38.27 | Cide | if stuff doesn't die in time I don't blame healers |
| 18:38.30 | Fisker | what about the tanks fault Cide ? |
| 18:38.31 | Cide | but that doesn't happen |
| 18:38.36 | Cide | because I'm dpsing |
| 18:38.37 | Cide | ~~~ |
| 18:38.46 | Shirik | when's the last time you DPS |
| 18:38.51 | Cide | I rage at our druid tank all the time |
| 18:39.07 | Cide | mostly because he doesn't know how to collect bloods on spine |
| 18:39.35 | Cide | I dps like 5 encounters a week and last week every single encounter |
| 18:39.40 | Shirik | what |
| 18:39.48 | Cide | other than hagara and zon'ozz I gues |
| 18:39.49 | Cide | guess |
| 18:39.56 | Shirik | we didn't 2 heal everything did we? |
| 18:40.04 | Cide | we had a holy priest helping out |
| 18:40.10 | Shirik | ? |
| 18:40.13 | Cide | ... |
| 18:40.15 | Shirik | wasn't that like 3 weeks ago? |
| 18:40.23 | Cide | it's sunday |
| 18:40.29 | Cide | so last week was technically almost two weeks ago |
| 18:40.44 | karl_w_w | 12 angry tests is quite good |
| 18:41.07 | Cide | pretty sure it was thursday the 3rd |
| 18:42.50 | Shirik | so what you're saying is |
| 18:42.51 | Shirik | not last week |
| 18:43.02 | Cide | how is that not last week? |
| 18:43.18 | Cide | well I guess if you consider sunday as the start of the week it was two weeks ago |
| 18:43.22 | Cide | but only weird people do that |
| 18:43.32 | Cide | in particular, swedes don't do that |
| 18:43.37 | karl_w_w | its good to see that friendly guild spirit |
| 18:44.07 | Cide | and it was definitely last *raid week* |
| 18:45.05 | Shirik | neat, I just found a bug in chrome |
| 18:45.21 | Shirik | If you type "?? <text>" it google searches for "? <text>" instead |
| 18:45.30 | Cide | as opposed to? |
| 18:45.41 | Cide | ?foo is the shortcut for "search for foo" |
| 18:46.03 | Cide | as is evidenced by typing in "?amazon.com" |
| 18:46.15 | Shirik | what |
| 18:46.18 | Shirik | why would you do tat |
| 18:46.23 | Shirik | what if my search term starts with ? |
| 18:46.30 | Cide | then you input ??foo |
| 18:46.33 | Cide | like you just discovered |
| 18:46.38 | Shirik | whywouldyoudothat.jpg |
| 18:46.53 | Shirik | what they should do is as soon as you type the first ?, it changes to "search for:" prefix or something |
| 18:47.00 | Cide | sure |
| 18:47.04 | Shirik | rule of least surprise |
| 18:47.06 | Cide | but that's a missing feature as opposed to a bug |
| 18:47.16 | Cide | also they do have some feedback |
| 18:47.18 | Shirik | defect in requirements |
| 18:47.25 | Cide | if you type in ? |
| 18:47.31 | Cide | the suggestion box says "<enter query> - Google Search" |
| 18:47.42 | Cide | if you type in ?foo the suggestion box says "foo - Google Search" |
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| 18:48.48 | Shirik | sure |
| 18:48.54 | Shirik | but if I type something else that is going to cause a search |
| 18:48.56 | Shirik | it does this |
| 18:51.21 | Shirik | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/c59ba7c8f94627105224dad5716f23e9.png |
| 18:52.07 | Cide | that would be a better representation, yes |
| 18:52.22 | Cide | also |
| 18:52.30 | Cide | hotkey for search is ctrl+K |
| 18:52.31 | Cide | try it out |
| 18:52.41 | Shirik | why would I use a hotkey at all |
| 18:52.44 | Shirik | I could just.... type |
| 18:52.52 | Cide | as in |
| 18:53.00 | Cide | focus addressbar and search |
| 18:53.07 | Cide | try it out |
| 18:53.25 | Shirik | or I could do what I always do |
| 18:53.27 | Shirik | ctrl+t |
| 18:53.27 | Shirik | type |
| 18:53.28 | Shirik | done |
| 18:53.38 | Cide | you never use alt+d? |
| 18:53.45 | Shirik | no |
| 18:53.46 | Shirik | why would I |
| 18:53.51 | Shirik | if I was on a page, I probably still want it open |
| 18:53.57 | Maldivia | F6 |
| 18:54.08 | Cide | WHY WOULD YOU USE F6 |
| 18:54.21 | Cide | that is about 50 times harder to press |
| 18:54.22 | Maldivia | because that's the shortcut I knew :( |
| 18:54.37 | Cide | it appears I am the chrome master |
| 18:54.38 | Shirik | he measured it |
| 18:54.38 | Maldivia | But now I know alt-d works as well |
| 18:54.48 | Cide | also, alt+d is standard across all browsers |
| 18:54.57 | Maldivia | but yeah, I usually just ctrl-t :P |
| 18:55.19 | Shirik | what about fn+F3? |
| 18:55.53 | Maldivia | well, for one that requires you have a laptop, or some weird keyboard with an fn key |
| 18:56.19 | Maldivia | So: http://i.imgur.com/qzN6N.jpg |
| 18:56.20 | Cide | I have been known to |
| 18:56.26 | Cide | ctrl+t, shift+tab, ctrl+w |
| 18:56.35 | Shirik | I have a weird keyboard :D |
| 18:56.44 | Maldivia | Cide: ctrl-t, ctrl-1, ctrl-w |
| 18:56.53 | Shirik | no |
| 18:56.54 | Cide | assuming you only have one tab |
| 18:56.56 | Shirik | that only works for one tab |
| 18:57.02 | Shirik | at any given time I generally have about 30 open |
| 18:57.04 | Sintacks | alt+d feels weird. |
| 18:57.11 | Cide | also I meant ctrl+shift+tab |
| 18:57.38 | Maldivia | I usually like to keep a somewhat clean browser, so tend to close tabs when I'm done with them |
| 18:57.52 | Maldivia | meaning around 10 tabs, then I start closing shit |
| 18:58.04 | Maldivia | until at some point, I just ctrl-w all but one :P |
| 18:58.22 | Shirik | generally at the end of the day I review the history of my day |
| 18:58.24 | Shirik | then close chrome |
| 18:58.40 | Shirik | my entire day is chronologically stored from left to right |
| 18:58.46 | Sintacks | haha |
| 18:59.34 | Cide | every other tab is a google search for "c++, y u no compile?" |
| 18:59.39 | Shirik | for example, today so far I have answered a judge question, checked my auto insurance bill, pulled up the OCR (presumably for another judge question), checked wikipedia, checked facebook, checked D3's info |
| 19:00.01 | Shirik | actually Cide I had a fun question for ou |
| 19:00.11 | Cide | does it involve function pointers? |
| 19:00.17 | Shirik | CLR introduces the ?? operator |
| 19:00.18 | Cide | because I'm better at you than those apparently |
| 19:00.37 | Sintacks | that one blows up the world, Shirik. don't use it |
| 19:00.39 | Shirik | a ?? b means if (a == null) return b; else return a; |
| 19:00.41 | mckenziemc | you're better at him? o.O |
| 19:00.48 | Cide | ... |
| 19:00.49 | Shirik | and no you're not |
| 19:00.51 | Shirik | most certainly |
| 19:00.52 | Shirik | anyway |
| 19:02.17 | Shirik | hm |
| 19:02.21 | Shirik | I have to rethink the question |
| 19:02.23 | Shirik | one moment |
| 19:02.27 | Cide | holding |
| 19:02.45 | Shirik | got it |
| 19:03.39 | Shirik | bool? a = false, b = true; |
| 19:03.49 | Shirik | return a??!b; |
| 19:03.56 | Shirik | what is the result? |
| 19:04.05 | Cide | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:04.13 | foxlit | what's a "bool?" |
| 19:04.15 | Shirik | imagine it to mean "a bool that can also be null" |
| 19:04.21 | Dagmar | It's what you use to smoke derp. |
| 19:04.24 | Shirik | it's not null so mostly irrelevant |
| 19:04.27 | Maldivia | Shirik: it's checks for null |
| 19:04.54 | Shirik | the only relevant part is if I had used bool instead of bool? then operator ?? would be illegal on it |
| 19:05.14 | foxlit | what's a false? |
| 19:05.25 | Shirik | um |
| 19:05.27 | foxlit | also, what's a null? |
| 19:05.29 | Shirik | false? |
| 19:05.32 | Cide | I don't see how that could return anything but false |
| 19:05.42 | Shirik | it returns true |
| 19:05.55 | Cide | no it doesn't |
| 19:05.58 | Shirik | yes it does |
| 19:06.01 | Shirik | nobody ever taught you about trigraphs :( |
| 19:06.05 | Cide | if ( false == null ) return false; else return false; |
| 19:06.15 | Shirik | ??! becomes | |
| 19:06.21 | Shirik | it's actually return a|b |
| 19:06.36 | Cide | I read about trigraphs in that pdf I linked |
| 19:06.42 | Cide | but why would I learn about tigraphs |
| 19:06.44 | Cide | tri |
| 19:06.58 | Maldivia | Shirik: bool? a= false, b = true; return a??!b; <-- returns false |
| 19:06.59 | Shirik | so you can ask questions like this! |
| 19:07.04 | Shirik | returns true |
| 19:07.21 | Shirik | ??! is not operator ?? followed by a ! |
| 19:07.26 | Shirik | it is a trigraph that gets replaced with | |
| 19:07.52 | batrick | are you guys talking about C++ |
| 19:07.59 | Shirik | the more canonical example is actually printf( "What??!\n" ); |
| 19:08.03 | Shirik | or something similar |
| 19:08.06 | foxlit | Shirik: np, compiled without trigraphs |
| 19:08.10 | foxlit | in your face! |
| 19:08.19 | Shirik | not my fault you turned on non-standard features! |
| 19:08.36 | foxlit | oh, it's totally your fault! |
| 19:08.52 | Maldivia | Shirik: depends if trigraphs are enabled or not |
| 19:08.57 | batrick | Shirik: stop proslytizing (sp) C++ |
| 19:08.57 | batbot | batrick, proselytizing. |
| 19:08.58 | batrick | it's evil |
| 19:09.05 | Shirik | proselytizing? |
| 19:09.10 | batrick | yes that one |
| 19:09.15 | batrick | batbot: thank you kind sir |
| 19:09.24 | Shirik | not "yes that one" |
| 19:09.28 | Shirik | I don't know what it means |
| 19:09.35 | batrick | i don't either |
| 19:09.42 | Thunder_Child | you people fail |
| 19:09.43 | batrick | gotta go to do conference stuff |
| 19:09.48 | batrick | be a better person shirik |
| 19:09.51 | batrick | byes |
| 19:09.53 | batrick | <3 |
| 19:09.55 | Thunder_Child | C++ you know, but english you do not |
| 19:09.56 | mckenziemc | ~dict proselytize |
| 19:10.16 | Shirik | english is such an archaic language |
| 19:10.18 | Shirik | so ambiguous |
| 19:10.24 | Shirik | C++ always means the exact same thing every time |
| 19:10.32 | nevcairiel | except when it doesnt |
| 19:10.37 | Thunder_Child | people need to learn the most common lanuage first, then a spoken one, then a programming one. |
| 19:11.48 | Thunder_Child | but no, it's spoken then RNG. |
| 19:11.51 | Shirik | wtf happened to my facebook |
| 19:12.11 | Thunder_Child | it got timelineized? |
| 19:13.56 | Shirik | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/726f79740407147393002b9232b3a8de.png |
| 19:14.04 | Shirik | why is everyone posting about their fortune cookies |
| 19:15.08 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: a friend found out how to make CC interest tax deductible...and it sounds like some circular thing you would do |
| 19:15.48 | Shirik | most interest paid can be tax deductible actually |
| 19:17.33 | Shirik | I ran into a strange problem where my student loan interest wasn't because I made too much |
| 19:18.07 | Shirik | so I shifted my roth IRA contributions to a traditional IRA, and not only did that reduce my taxable income, it also turned my student loans into a tax deductible item as well |
| 19:18.31 | Shirik | and this is why people at H&R Block make so much money |
| 19:19.43 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 19:19.45 | Fisker | i still like you |
| 19:19.52 | Shirik | <3 Fisker |
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| 19:19.57 | Fisker | :) |
| 19:20.04 | Fisker | i wish Parnic would shut up and take my money though |
| 19:28.22 | mckenziemc | i wish Fisker would stop being unstoppable |
| 19:28.42 | Fisker | i can never be stopped |
| 19:31.13 | Torhal | Parnic doesn't want your money though, Fisker - it has cooties. |
| 19:32.17 | Fisker | please give me cock Torhal |
| 19:32.32 | Torhal | tosses mckenziemc to Fisker. |
| 19:32.42 | mckenziemc | o.o |
| 19:32.42 | BlackNet | http://wetlands.simplyaquatics.com/v/3409+idle+hour/IMG_5839.JPG.html new stuff in bloom here. |
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| 19:48.31 | Jamash | ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha <Shirik> C++ always means the exact same thing every time |
| 19:48.35 | Jamash | that's funny |
| 19:48.38 | Jamash | you're funny, shirik |
| 19:48.57 | Shirik | :P |
| 19:49.09 | Fisker | just how funny is it Jamash ? |
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| 19:52.00 | Jamash | it is all the funny |
| 19:52.54 | Jamash | so have they added a unique and nonorthogonal syntax for every feature of every language ever invented to c++ yet? |
| 19:54.27 | Thunder_Child | I can see Shirik writing his own language it 10 years or so. One that will be the 'one ring' to all other languages. |
| 19:54.43 | Jamash | pshaw, it's been done |
| 19:54.48 | Jamash | it's called LISP |
| 19:54.54 | Shirik | no you're confused |
| 19:55.00 | Shirik | lisp is a language made of rings |
| 19:55.06 | Jamash | () |
| 19:55.07 | Shirik | it is not one ring |
| 19:55.17 | Jamash | ()_() |
| 19:55.33 | Jamash | (.)(.) |
| 19:55.54 | Thunder_Child | and Jamash is either on sugar or drugs. |
| 19:56.03 | Jamash | I'm high on life |
| 19:56.10 | Thunder_Child | i call BS |
| 19:57.28 | Jamash | if you ever need more reasons to want to kill yourself, search for "c++ template" on stack overflow |
| 19:58.32 | Thunder_Child | that hardly bothers me |
| 19:58.42 | Jamash | I'm sorry |
| 19:58.48 | Jamash | it's too late for TC |
| 19:59.47 | Thunder_Child | it was too late for me a long time ago |
| 20:06.50 | Jamash | X Windows is known as "a mistake carried out to perfection" |
| 20:06.57 | Jamash | I would argue that the same applies to C++ |
| 20:11.07 | Fisker | want to make love Jamash ? |
| 20:11.39 | Jamash | *** No rule to make target `love'. Stop. |
| 20:14.08 | karl_w_w | love doesn't have any rules Jamash |
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| 20:17.45 | Maldivia | damn... Avengers crossed one billion USD in the world-wide boxoffice |
| 20:17.59 | Jamash | it's a pretty good movie |
| 20:18.03 | karl_w_w | that didnt take long |
| 20:19.42 | Maldivia | I wonder how big a part Joss is getting |
| 20:20.19 | Jamash | adjusted for inflation, gone with the wind is still #1 |
| 20:21.34 | Thunder_Child | no it is not |
| 20:21.53 | Maldivia | to reach gone with the wind, it just needs another 4 billion :P |
| 20:21.58 | Jamash | yes it is |
| 20:22.40 | Maldivia | well, actually |
| 20:23.02 | Maldivia | adjusted, world-wide, gone with the wind earned around 3.3 billion |
| 20:23.31 | Sintacks | ur mom earns 3.3 billon a night |
| 20:23.52 | Thunder_Child | at that amount of money, it doesnt matter what she is doing |
| 20:24.51 | Jamash | http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/records-10000/highest-box-office-film-gross-inflation-adjusted/ |
| 20:25.10 | Jamash | US$5,362,000,000 |
| 20:26.40 | nevcairiel | i think those comparisons are a bit flawed, back in '39 cinema was still much more important then it is today |
| 20:27.48 | Jamash | the question is "what movie had the biggest gross", not "how significant are movies as a cultural institution" |
| 20:28.06 | Maldivia | Sintacks: Jamash weird - boxofficemojo has gone with the wind at 202 million tickets (domestic) |
| 20:28.09 | Maldivia | hehe |
| 20:28.22 | nevcairiel | if you want biggest gross, also count optical disc revenue in there |
| 20:28.25 | bluspacecow | O_O |
| 20:28.25 | Maldivia | (no idea why Sintacks was included there) |
| 20:28.30 | bluspacecow | apparently i've become a mother |
| 20:28.31 | bluspacecow | http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/4926493124#17 |
| 20:28.32 | Sintacks | me either... |
| 20:28.41 | Jamash | nevcairiel: that's not theater gross sir |
| 20:28.43 | nevcairiel | bluspacecow: congrats? |
| 20:29.03 | nevcairiel | Jamash: you didn't specify, you said biggest gross |
| 20:29.07 | Shirik | grats bluspacecow |
| 20:29.25 | Jamash | nevcairiel: if you're going to be obsessively literal then Fisker is the biggest gross |
| 20:30.03 | Jamash | also, gross != revenue |
| 20:30.16 | Jamash | bbl shower |
| 20:30.23 | Sintacks | since when is gross == troll |
| 20:30.29 | Sintacks | if Fisker is the biggest gross |
| 20:30.38 | Jamash | trolls are pretty gross |
| 20:30.41 | nevcairiel | anyhow, if anything, those comparisons are meaningless, because the importance of cinema changed over the years |
| 20:30.50 | Jamash | no, your face is meaningless |
| 20:31.58 | Jamash | I think you're mistaking a numerical comparison for something more nuanced |
| 20:32.20 | nevcairiel | i'm just saying your numeral comparison is a pointless endavour |
| 20:32.31 | Jamash | so is any comparison of box office receipts |
| 20:32.44 | Jamash | it's just slightly less pointless than comparing unadjusted numbers |
| 20:32.58 | nevcairiel | why don't we just count number of tickets sold anyway? |
| 20:33.22 | Jamash | good question |
| 20:33.35 | Jamash | because tickets are less impressive than dollars, probably |
| 20:48.23 | Stanzilla | any mages here that use weakauras? |
| 20:49.17 | Fisker | duh bluspacecow |
| 20:49.22 | Fisker | your name and avatar |
| 20:49.31 | bluspacecow | mooooooooooooo |
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| 20:53.29 | Sintacks | MOO |
| 20:53.40 | Sintacks | lol mages. lol weakauras. |
| 20:53.56 | Sintacks | coughs and walks away after throwing a dagger at Stanzilla. |
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| 21:00.15 | Stanzilla | sintAcks: fork you |
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| 21:21.22 | karl_w_w | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0A5t5_O8hdA ah the classics |
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| 21:43.59 | sintAcks | wat i do, Stanzilla |
| 21:44.14 | sintAcks | also, bus isn't until 13 minutes from now.... i read time wrong earlier |
| 21:44.40 | karl_w_w | how can you read the time wrong? |
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| 22:47.19 | Stanzilla | http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2012/May/107 lolz |
| 22:51.43 | Maldivia | that seems like a cumbersome way to exploit |
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| 23:05.43 | Adys | anyone has a list of the best portable console emulators? |
| 23:05.51 | Adys | that is, best code-wise |
| 23:06.30 | mckenziemc | as if that clarifies anything |
| 23:06.32 | mckenziemc | :) |
| 23:06.46 | Maldivia | zsnes |
| 23:06.58 | Adys | Maldivia: portable console |
| 23:07.03 | Adys | that is, gb, psp etc |
| 23:07.15 | Maldivia | run it on a laptop - now you have a portable console emulator :) |
| 23:07.39 | Maldivia | or rather, a portable console-emulator :) |
| 23:07.42 | Adys | >< |
| 23:21.12 | karl_w_w | there's a psp emu? |
| 23:22.11 | karl_w_w | http://vba.ngemu.com/ for gb/c/a |
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| 23:52.28 | pompy | kd3: hear about that girl in Georgia? >< |
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| 23:55.27 | Sintacks | i shouldn't have done that... drinking 30oz of mtn dew voltage at once isn't advised... stomach hurts ohgodwhy.png |
