| 00:00.09 | Ressy | oh wow..... |
| 00:00.13 | TC-Work | maybe they already have wgo |
| 00:00.27 | Ressy | They have viewing distance (ie fog).. But this is new. |
| 00:00.32 | Jamash | world model object? |
| 00:00.33 | TC-Work | so World geoMetry Objects |
| 00:00.44 | Jamash | actually wow already has LoD |
| 00:01.09 | Jamash | hmm |
| 00:01.17 | Jamash | looks like they took the UI option out and are putting it back in |
| 00:01.21 | Ressy | Theres skycloudlod... |
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| 00:04.34 | Ressy | wish I could get the console "appendlogtofile" to work. |
| 00:05.20 | sintAcks | I wish Illusion book would fucking spawn. |
| 00:06.10 | pompy | http://www.fileinfo.com/extension/wmo |
| 00:07.16 | pompy | so world map object |
| 00:08.13 | Ressy | So, you can change the distance at which objects are drawn now. |
| 00:08.16 | Ressy | interesting |
| 00:08.36 | Jamash | actually how aggressively it switches between the detailed model and the low detail model |
| 00:08.43 | Ressy | ah |
| 00:09.08 | Ressy | Its set kinda far tho |
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| 00:09.31 | Ressy | 650 |
| 00:10.39 | Jamash | you want it to switch where the player won't notice the pop |
| 00:11.19 | Jamash | wow used to have really noticeable geometry LoD pop |
| 00:11.25 | Jamash | for terrain |
| 00:11.30 | Ressy | whoa... They bumped my guild from lvl 30 to a lvl 25 guild |
| 00:12.29 | Ressy | and all achievements were reset. including ones gained from being lvl 10. lol |
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| 00:14.16 | pompy | yar wiping achievements is normal as usual on a beta! |
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| 00:23.08 | Ressy | I like the thought of strangling ppl who complain about crashing constantly, and then go on about "Fix your shit blizzard" |
| 00:24.41 | TC-Work | http://klouchebag.com/ |
| 00:26.27 | Sintacks | I have a ticket that I can't reopen ... because I got an automated/form/whatever response and it was marked resolved by them... |
| 00:26.39 | Sintacks | that pisses me off more than getting an automated response |
| 00:28.02 | znf | http://klouchebag.com/#znuff what?! |
| 00:29.15 | Ressy | cant reopen via the web? |
| 00:29.49 | Sintacks | doesn't even show up in game. got ingame mail with teh reply |
| 00:29.59 | pompy | english misuse |
| 00:29.59 | pompy | hahaha |
| 00:31.02 | pompy | why no asshat meter for facebook users lol |
| 00:31.22 | Sintacks | haha |
| 00:31.31 | Sintacks | the* |
| 00:31.38 | znf | Woah. AsaAkira has a score of 95 :( |
| 00:32.49 | Ressy | I got a 36. |
| 00:32.55 | znf | The author himself gets 100 :D |
| 00:34.36 | pompy | dirty znf |
| 00:39.34 | znf | I want to level a char to 80, but I don't know what class, or if I should just wait for MoP to level up a panda |
| 00:40.21 | airtonix | i smell corruption |
| 00:51.23 | Sintacks | ... i found jar of souls, but i also need the achievement for coop :( |
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| 01:27.22 | kd3 | blah - nyi cutscenes |
| 01:28.35 | Arrowmaster | kd3: so anidb has achievements now |
| 01:28.46 | kd3 | ! |
| 01:29.51 | Arrowmaster | kd3: http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=userpage&uid=328655 |
| 01:30.41 | Arrowmaster | kd3: only 37 of 139 macross episodes watched? im at 128 of 139! |
| 01:30.48 | kd3 | lol |
| 01:30.48 | znf | http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3888530792 |
| 01:30.55 | znf | wonders if he should believe that or not |
| 01:31.27 | Arrowmaster | kd3: Mr_Rabies would yell at us both for our low gundam count |
| 01:31.30 | kd3 | haha |
| 01:31.48 | Arrowmaster | im only at 206 of 792 |
| 01:32.38 | TC-Work | that would be 30 years of eps, at 14 eps a season. |
| 01:32.40 | TC-Work | 24* |
| 01:33.15 | TC-Work | 33 years exactly |
| 01:34.46 | Arrowmaster | now ive forgotten why i went to anidb in the first place |
| 01:35.19 | pompy | ACCESS DENIED - You're trying to access the user page of another user, which is private by default and the user has probably not configured his user page to be public. You can message the user if you feel that this was not intended. You might be allowed to access the user's mylist or review list though. However he granted users access to his userpage with a guest password. |
| 01:36.24 | Arrowmaster | yeah i have access to view his |
| 01:36.41 | kd3 | sec, lemme relax the privacy setting on that |
| 01:37.28 | Arrowmaster | mines http://anidb.net/up237287 password is 12345 if you figure out how to use it |
| 01:38.12 | kd3 | try now |
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| 01:40.01 | TC-Work | Arrowmaster: to be sad? |
| 01:40.26 | AsoSako | Can anyone send me a scroll of resurrection on US |
| 01:40.59 | pompy | yeah appears now |
| 01:41.22 | kd3 | I need to update my list again -- it's been a while |
| 01:41.44 | kd3 | Time wasted97 d 3 h |
| 01:41.46 | kd3 | >.< |
| 01:41.52 | Arrowmaster | i used to update it was i watched stuff but lately ive only been added entire series after i finish them |
| 01:42.04 | Arrowmaster | Time wasted 77 d 22 h |
| 01:42.09 | Arrowmaster | i have to catch up! |
| 01:43.09 | pompy | kd3: Watching since 1996 |
| 01:43.21 | kd3 | yay toonami getting me started |
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| 02:41.10 | Aelo | is there a "simple" way to draw a colour-filled triangle texture based on the coordinates of its 3 vertices? |
| 02:52.12 | znf | Is there a way to "browse" Lua tables in-game, visually? |
| 02:52.44 | pompy | what table |
| 02:53.15 | bluspacecow | you can find tables in most inns |
| 02:53.47 | znf | well, I can dump ShadowUF.db.profile for example, but reading that huge table in my chat box... is, well, impossible :P |
| 02:54.21 | pompy | isnt that the sv? |
| 02:54.39 | pompy | well the table output goes out of the buffer of ur chatbox? |
| 02:54.48 | znf | looks at pompy |
| 02:55.54 | pompy | with prat you can c/p your whole chatframe |
| 02:58.16 | pompy | hm whats with the sometimes double login/login notif's? |
| 02:58.21 | pompy | 10:54:51 PM]Xandrence has gone offline. |
| 02:58.23 | pompy | [10:55:54 PM]Xandrence has gone offline. |
| 02:59.11 | znf | I found what I neede. |
| 02:59.17 | znf | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info12970-LuaBrowser.html |
| 03:00.15 | pompy | year and a half old |
| 03:00.17 | pompy | maybe still works |
| 03:00.35 | Jamash | znf: LuaBrowser |
| 03:00.38 | Jamash | derp |
| 03:00.40 | Jamash | late |
| 03:00.52 | Jamash | anyway I find it invaluable |
| 03:02.24 | Thunder_Child | ~fail Jamash |
| 03:02.24 | purl | Jamash, you Fail! |
| 03:02.45 | Jamash | uh huh |
| 03:03.32 | Jamash | I found it useful to edit core.NUM_ITEMS, core:SetWidth() and core:SetHeight() in the LB source to make it bigger |
| 03:04.35 | Jamash | I also used Core:SetAlpha(0.75) so I could see where I was going with a bigger LB window |
| 03:04.49 | Jamash | s/Core/core/ |
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| 03:30.15 | airtonix | Thunder_Child: urface |
| 03:32.26 | Iriel | Aelo: Turn it into 2 up to 4 right angled triangles, and then stretch a 45 degree half-filled/half-transparent texture across each |
| 03:33.07 | Iriel | (I dont know if 4 is the upper bound actually, but there's some number that'd be enough) |
| 03:33.20 | Aelo | ok, ty :) |
| 03:33.25 | Iriel | Probably, anyway |
| 03:33.59 | Iriel | I'm trying to sketch it out now and i'm not sure how to finish the tip off |
| 03:34.29 | Sintacks | maxing D3 beta toons is annoying... |
| 03:34.46 | Iriel | Sintacks: Yeah, i did them all once and then swore not to bother again |
| 03:35.00 | Sintacks | I don't know why i'm doing it... |
| 03:35.05 | Iriel | Because it's there? |
| 03:35.05 | bluspacecow | kk work tiems |
| 03:35.05 | Sintacks | it's not liek we are going to get anything for it |
| 03:35.13 | Iriel | YOu get to say you did it |
| 03:35.16 | Iriel | that's about it |
| 03:35.39 | pompy | Iriel: with no proof other than if you took screenshots of the achievement ui |
| 03:35.39 | pompy | heh |
| 03:35.44 | Sintacks | yeah |
| 03:35.57 | Sintacks | if you got some small feat of str to show when it's live, that'd be cool |
| 03:38.44 | Sintacks | i hate it when gmail asks for my password |
| 03:38.47 | Sintacks | i don't know my password |
| 03:48.04 | kd3 | hahaha, they disabled /1 in jade forest? |
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| 04:08.12 | Corrodias | what's channel 1? |
| 04:08.32 | kd3 | general |
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| 04:08.55 | kd3 | general, trade, localdefense, LFG |
| 04:11.34 | airtonix | Sintacks: i hate it when you ask for my password too |
| 04:12.35 | Sintacks | wat |
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| 04:43.32 | airtonix | rooting a phone won't unlock it from a network provider will it? |
| 04:47.33 | pompy | airtonix: http://androidforums.com/hero-all-things-root/495319-worth-changing-possible-change-cid.html#post3902773 |
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| 04:51.38 | znf | airtonix, nope |
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| 05:14.42 | artlon | znf: Will 'fastbook oem unlock' unlock it from the carrier? Or is that a different kind of lock? |
| 05:14.52 | artlon | speaking of Android |
| 05:14.55 | Arrowmaster | that unlocks the bootloader |
| 05:14.59 | artlon | k |
| 05:15.04 | artlon | makes sense |
| 05:15.36 | artlon | I'm still stuck with Sprint :( |
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| 05:23.58 | karl_w_w | beats being stuck with walk, walk is terrible for escaping predators |
| 05:30.32 | nevcairiel | anyone got a clue where i can learn the pet battle skill? I'm not finding the npc |
| 05:32.09 | nevcairiel | hm according to trade chat the trainer was turned off, oh well |
| 05:33.56 | bluworkcow | he would of been by the tree by the blacksmiths in pornshirt opposite to where the darkmoon fair portal appears on the left hand side when coming from stormwind |
| 05:34.13 | bluworkcow | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:34.18 | bluworkcow | lol pornshirt |
| 05:35.53 | Humbedooh | freudian slip much? :] |
| 05:40.07 | karl_w_w | there was a blue on it and everything nevcairiel |
| 05:40.21 | bluworkcow | silly karl |
| 05:40.23 | bluworkcow | i'm at work |
| 05:40.29 | bluworkcow | how can I be on something for you ? |
| 05:41.02 | karl_w_w | While we've received a number of questions and some feedback regarding the pet battle system added in the last beta patch, we're in the process of disabling this feature. We know a lot of you are very anxious to test out pet battles, but it wasn't our intention to introduce them to the beta at this stage, as we don't yet feel they're in a solid enough state to allow for meaningful feedback. |
| 05:41.02 | karl_w_w | One we're further along in development, we look forward to implementing pet battles and gathering your thoughts on the feature. |
| 05:41.05 | karl_w_w | like that |
| 05:41.24 | bluworkcow | *tap dances some more* |
| 05:41.29 | bluworkcow | liek that. |
| 05:43.46 | nevcairiel | well at least the crash seems fixed |
| 05:44.06 | bluworkcow | the NPE one at least |
| 05:44.23 | nevcairiel | i was running around for half an hour and everything was fine, so shrug :) |
| 05:47.09 | bluworkcow | *divieds nevcairiel by zero* |
| 05:47.13 | bluworkcow | crash! |
| 05:47.36 | nevcairiel | thats not an NPE |
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| 05:48.59 | bluworkcow | i know :) no one expects the divide by zero error ! |
| 05:49.07 | bluworkcow | or the fluffy pillow! |
| 05:56.26 | karl_w_w | prints bluworkcow |
| 05:57.55 | bluworkcow | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/4768447783 |
| 05:58.04 | bluworkcow | not.sure.if.serious. |
| 05:59.15 | karl_w_w | vinomofo.com worst ever name for a website? |
| 06:00.22 | pompy | lol wtf http://www.warcraftrealms.com/graph/ssgraph2.php?serverid=60 |
| 06:08.13 | airtonix | http://postimage.org/image/huwg1ol6j/full/ |
| 06:09.01 | airtonix | http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/171188-v125formivores-mods-city-wall-ruin-generators/ |
| 06:10.41 | Iriel | airtonix: maybe i'm just a curmudgeonly old man, but that looks machine generated, and thus not necessarily impressive |
| 06:10.54 | airtonix | it is |
| 06:11.18 | airtonix | some mod that integrates with the normal terrain generator |
| 06:11.49 | airtonix | i think that massive map is an example of settings turned up to 11 |
| 06:12.49 | airtonix | it would be more interesting if it replaced the current lol town generator behaviour to create cities of those patterns but smaller and yet larger than current towns |
| 06:36.55 | AcidWeb | Morning |
| 06:40.28 | karl_w_w | coffee dear? |
| 06:44.25 | bluworkcow | morning surprise dear ? |
| 06:57.15 | Fisker | hey bluworkcow |
| 07:07.40 | AcidWeb | There is any known bug with GetGameTime()? |
| 07:09.04 | AcidWeb | Because i recived bugreport connected with hour returned by GetGameTime() and I do not see how it would be possible. |
| 07:09.20 | AcidWeb | "The time stamp is not working. Its showing server time (11:00pm) as 22:00 but earlier 09:00am was logged as 19:00." |
| 07:10.11 | AcidWeb | That "timestamp" is just untouched hour/minutes returned by GetGameTime() |
| 07:19.19 | tutti | http://www.wowpedia.org/API_GetGameTime <- There seems to be a few paragraphs explaining the problem with that function. |
| 07:20.14 | tutti | From what I gather, instance servers and such don't always have the same time information as the realm's servers. |
| 07:21.35 | AcidWeb | Oh. |
| 07:21.52 | AcidWeb | That might be cause |
| 07:22.07 | AcidWeb | Considering that i read that hour when player is on BG/arena |
| 07:22.13 | AcidWeb | Nice catch tutti. Thank you. |
| 07:22.20 | tutti | You're welcome :) |
| 07:23.34 | bluworkcow | framexml? |
| 07:23.40 | bluworkcow | hmmm |
| 07:24.01 | tutti | tbh, for time stamps I'd probably just use local time, unless you really need to compare the times of different players. |
| 07:25.12 | AcidWeb | tutti: Convert time() to date? |
| 07:26.21 | tutti | I don't think I've needed time stamps before, so I don't know what functions you need; it does seem from this text that there's a way to pull it from the API though. |
| 07:27.13 | tutti | http://www.wowpedia.org/API_date <- That seems like it'd do the trick. |
| 07:28.16 | AcidWeb | date() use time() anyway :-) |
| 07:29.16 | tutti | Probably, but it does the math for you - time() just returns a single integer. |
| 07:29.16 | AcidWeb | Anyway finding proper way is minor issue. |
| 07:30.02 | AcidWeb | i need add warning about it to wowprogrammin GetGameTime page |
| 07:39.07 | artlon | Microsoft dumps support for CISPA. Still evil. |
| 07:40.12 | Jamash | anyone played Eversion? |
| 07:51.11 | AcidWeb | Somebody from Korea here? :P |
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| 08:09.52 | Fisker | AcidWeb |
| 08:09.53 | Fisker | aj |
| 08:09.55 | Fisker | damnit |
| 08:09.59 | Fisker | Jamash |
| 08:10.10 | Fisker | so jnwhiteh |
| 08:10.17 | Jamash | I didn't mail you 100 mushrooms! |
| 08:10.21 | Jamash | wait, what? |
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| 08:13.07 | Fisker | Kalroth |
| 08:13.59 | Kalroth | hejsa |
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| 08:42.29 | bluworkcow | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/4768328109 |
| 08:42.32 | bluworkcow | lol |
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| 08:49.49 | Thunder_Child | ~staple Jamash |
| 08:49.50 | purl | ACTION attaches a staple gun to a pneumatic nail gun via duct tape, staples Jamash quite well, and hands Jamash to thunder_child |
| 08:50.30 | Jamash | huh? |
| 08:51.16 | Thunder_Child | your flooding |
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| 08:54.27 | Jamash | stupid comcast |
| 08:54.29 | Jamash | I'm going to sleep |
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| 10:14.55 | karl_w_w | is urban dictionary borken? I'm not seeing thumbs up/down |
| 10:15.04 | karl_w_w | ah, ctrl F5 |
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| 10:24.48 | bluworkcow | THUMBS DOWN! |
| 10:24.52 | bluworkcow | i win tiddlewinks |
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| 11:04.58 | karl_w_w | http://images.4chan.org/b/src/1335610998129.jpg |
| 11:04.59 | karl_w_w | yum |
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| 11:38.26 | airtonix | hey karl_w_w |
| 11:38.41 | airtonix | guess what? |
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| 11:59.07 | Sintacks | remember when blizzard was going to make filtering for addon communications |
| 11:59.55 | AcidWeb | Blizz implemented some changes in this topic. |
| 12:00.11 | Sintacks | eh? |
| 12:01.06 | AcidWeb | Registering prefixes? |
| 12:01.35 | Sintacks | that's what i meant, but couldn't thinik of registering when i typed it |
| 12:13.02 | clever | karl_w_w: thats doing to be a real mess, lol |
| 12:15.01 | Sintacks | s/doing/going/ |
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| 12:24.46 | Sintacks | it's kind of funny looking at some Grid2 forum posts about "will feature X be added" and getting blatant "no"s and then it's in it now anyway. |
| 12:32.21 | Adys | "However, if copyright is applicable to "SSO" or APIs then the entire world is about to go up in a shitstorm of suits and countersuits, and while I don't know who wins, I'm pretty sure "we lose" is the correct answer." |
| 12:32.43 | Sintacks | wtf r u talking about |
| 12:32.48 | Adys | oracle v google |
| 12:33.38 | Sintacks | o |
| 12:34.00 | Sintacks | I wonder what the game would be like if we still had to use libhealcomm |
| 12:34.20 | Adys | slightly different on a technical level? |
| 12:34.34 | Sintacks | i was kind of thinking fps wise... |
| 12:34.44 | Adys | slightly different on a fps level? |
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| 12:35.33 | Adys | am I the only one thinking google will end up rewriting android after all this bs? |
| 12:35.53 | Sintacks | what is SSO |
| 12:36.09 | Adys | single sign on? |
| 12:36.29 | Sintacks | I'll just shut up and stay clueless now |
| 12:36.36 | Adys | ok dear |
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| 12:37.38 | Sintacks | hi cow |
| 12:39.06 | Adys | Sintacks: oh in this context |
| 12:39.18 | Adys | Sintacks: its from the article, structure sequence & organization |
| 12:39.45 | Adys | Aside from a nine-line function that's been deleted from Android, Oracle acknowledges that Google didn't copy any code from Java. Oracle says that by copying the "structure, sequence and organization" of 37 Java APIs, Google has violated copyright law. That phrase—"structure, sequence and organization"—came up so frequently when the lawyers were arguing over jury instructions today that both sides started to refer to the concept by an acronym, "SSO." |
| 12:40.12 | Adys | this is going to backfire so hard, all I can picture is a guy holding a RPG the wrong way around |
| 12:40.48 | Sintacks | lol |
| 12:42.24 | AcidWeb | If all big companies would stop that patent crap and start use time for something creative we would already have city on mars... |
| 12:42.34 | Sintacks | ^ |
| 12:42.51 | Adys | and if paris could be put in a bottle.. |
| 12:43.40 | AcidWeb | i know i know |
| 12:43.59 | AcidWeb | Currently only money count. |
| 12:44.26 | Sintacks | anyone know if healbot has a "swiftmendable" status thingy... |
| 12:44.30 | Humbedooh | was offered a job at Oracle yesterday ;( |
| 12:44.39 | Sintacks | i don't want to install it just to find out heh |
| 12:44.52 | Adys | Humbedooh: Sue them for offering a copyrightable work position |
| 12:45.12 | Humbedooh | Adys, yes, I should do that! But instead I just kindly declined ;\ |
| 12:45.53 | AcidWeb | And now they will sue you Humbedooh ;p |
| 12:45.58 | Humbedooh | :C |
| 12:46.08 | foxlit | Happen to have a patent on declining job offers. |
| 12:46.09 | foxlit | Pay up |
| 12:46.44 | Adys | foxlit: My lawyer trademarked the sentence "Pay up" |
| 12:46.46 | Adys | Now what you gonna do? |
| 12:48.56 | Fisker | i'm gonna copyright breathing |
| 12:49.03 | Fisker | or rather the structure, sequence and organization of it |
| 12:52.02 | Fisker | hopefully when Google rewrite android they won't have absolutely no google drive integration on Android |
| 13:08.04 | Sintacks | stops breathing so he doesnt' have to pay Fisker |
| 13:08.10 | Sintacks | dies. |
| 13:08.52 | Kaylin | is going to prove humans were breathing before you patented the process. |
| 13:09.02 | DeadRogue | lol |
| 13:09.34 | DeadRogue | huggles Kaylin |
| 13:09.57 | Kaylin | cries on DeadRogue's shoulder. |
| 13:10.23 | DeadRogue | was Revived by Kaylin's tears. |
| 13:10.35 | Kaylin | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/black-dragonflight/Fran%C3%A7oise/simple <--fishrogue |
| 13:10.47 | Kaylin | also god this is depressing why am I not asleep yet |
| 13:11.03 | Sintacks | cuz i haven't taken you to bed |
| 13:11.04 | Sintacks | i mean |
| 13:11.06 | Sintacks | idk |
| 13:11.09 | Sintacks | why haven't you |
| 13:11.28 | Sintacks | nice Kirin Tor ring |
| 13:12.11 | Kaylin | heh ty |
| 13:12.12 | Sintacks | lol gloves... increases lockpicking skill |
| 13:12.23 | Kaylin | mostly bc I am insecure about my body |
| 13:12.29 | Kaylin | not only +lockpick, +fishing too |
| 13:12.33 | Kaylin | woo enchant |
| 13:13.22 | Sintacks | I hope I can say "bai bai" to having to go combat in Mists |
| 13:13.37 | Sintacks | I much prefer assassination |
| 13:13.55 | Kaylin | then use it, it still works, sure it's not ideal but it's not horrible |
| 13:14.15 | Sintacks | I have to be on top though... |
| 13:15.00 | Kaylin | hope MoP improves fishing with neat repeatable rare quest items to be caught, and cool rare fishing pets etc |
| 13:15.10 | Kaylin | and a better system than fishing pools |
| 13:15.12 | Kaylin | which are boring |
| 13:15.15 | Sintacks | i want to see what blade flurry would do as assassination |
| 13:15.35 | Kaylin | also a use for fishing skill besides fishing in open water which is never done |
| 13:15.47 | Sintacks | lol |
| 13:16.28 | Kaylin | those new +150 lures for MoP, and +70 passive, and it's all useless every single bit |
| 13:16.35 | Kaylin | and my capt rumsey's lager |
| 13:16.46 | Kaylin | gets drunk and rants about the uselessness of fishing |
| 13:16.57 | Sintacks | i don't like fishing |
| 13:17.08 | Sintacks | i hated every cast of trying to get those stupid coins |
| 13:17.24 | Kaylin | I do IRL, I don't like it as much in WoW it needs work |
| 13:17.27 | Sintacks | when my guild was fishing for the fish feasts, i was one of hte pool runners, cuz screw fishing |
| 13:17.54 | Kaylin | but it's better than cooking or first aiding or looting (archaeology) |
| 13:18.14 | Sintacks | I'm also still annoyed they just give rogues lock picking now... |
| 13:18.34 | Kaylin | that lockpick bonus actually still functions |
| 13:18.41 | Sintacks | lol |
| 13:18.53 | Kaylin | gives me +5 to lockpick (1 level worth) |
| 13:19.14 | Kaylin | useless at level cap but if you wanna stay 84 and open max level boxes you can |
| 13:19.17 | Sintacks | well, my point was, any level 85 can open any box now.. it used to be there were only a handfull of 80s on a realm with maxed lock picking. |
| 13:19.38 | Kaylin | yea |
| 13:19.53 | Kaylin | I remember |
| 13:19.58 | Sintacks | my ADD and procastonation don't get along... |
| 13:20.02 | Kaylin | I rather liked brewing poison |
| 13:20.12 | Sintacks | i've been sitting here with grid2 config open for 3 hours and haven't done but 4 things |
| 13:20.16 | Kaylin | I wish it'd be back w/o the reagent req and just be a spell casted on the rogue |
| 13:20.43 | Kaylin | so you could use it from the spell UI and have all the RPness of making poisons with none of the lost bag space of having them or |
| 13:20.50 | Kaylin | their toxic essence of agony pieces |
| 13:21.11 | Sintacks | i agree with the bag space thing... |
| 13:21.27 | Sintacks | i have 6 bag spaces used by poisons |
| 13:21.44 | Sintacks | i don't even normally carry around 6 stacks of pots... |
| 13:22.22 | Kaylin | I have 26 slots used by random gear |
| 13:22.30 | Kaylin | mostly teleport/utility items |
| 13:22.41 | Kaylin | and engineering tools |
| 13:22.44 | Kaylin | and such |
| 13:22.53 | Kaylin | like that fishing gear |
| 13:23.07 | Kaylin | that isn't part of my regular kill monsters stab all the things set |
| 13:24.26 | Kaylin | hope this new panda yak isn't going to be 150k gold, bc it is, and I really don't wanna waste time on the AH again I am liking being content with 400g |
| 13:25.30 | Sintacks | 400g wat |
| 13:26.02 | Kaylin | gold, I am trying being broke this expansion |
| 13:26.09 | Kaylin | it's really really nice |
| 13:26.18 | Kaylin | I gave all my gold away in FL and stopped getting more |
| 13:26.25 | Kaylin | now I don't stress about it so much |
| 13:30.14 | Sintacks | lol |
| 13:30.32 | Sintacks | i don't stress about it, but i don't use it either |
| 13:30.49 | Sintacks | i have 47k on my main realm |
| 13:31.03 | Sintacks | it only goes down cuz i buy random shit |
| 13:31.08 | Sintacks | like that purple bird |
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| 13:50.39 | znf | how exactly can you be content with 400g? |
| 13:50.45 | znf | that's not even enough for one night of repairs |
| 13:50.46 | karl_w_w | airtonix: cold potatoes ain't hot? |
| 13:51.07 | Fisker | so Adys |
| 13:51.35 | Adys | hi Fisker |
| 13:51.37 | Fisker | can you tell me why Google didn't think it would be awesome if you could use Google Drive from android apps á la TitaniumBackup? |
| 13:51.48 | Adys | i havent even touched it yet |
| 13:52.52 | znf | Fisker, API is there, wait until next TB? :) |
| 13:55.58 | Fisker | no znf |
| 13:56.21 | znf | no what? :o |
| 13:57.04 | Fisker | the API is only for webapps that you install through chrome |
| 13:57.19 | znf | There's a SDK! |
| 13:57.29 | Fisker | which is only for webapps that you install through chrome |
| 13:58.11 | znf | service is fresh, give it a bit of time |
| 13:58.11 | cbreak | installing webapps? |
| 13:58.13 | cbreak | what the hell... |
| 13:58.35 | Fisker | then don't tell me to wait for the next version of TB znf |
| 13:58.45 | znf | I WILL |
| 13:58.54 | znf | WAIT FOR NEXT VERSION OF TB! CAPS MAKE IT ALL TRUE |
| 13:59.09 | Fisker | i'm going to fuck you znf |
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| 14:06.05 | Jamash | sup forks |
| 14:16.37 | Adys | Fisker: has anyone made a gdrive fuse yet anyway? |
| 14:16.46 | Adys | https://github.com/jcline/fuse-google-drive |
| 14:16.47 | Sintacks | why do cat and bear Swipe tooltips use completley different syntax/structure/wording... |
| 14:16.47 | Adys | eheheh |
| 14:17.05 | Sintacks | Blizzard logic is so flawed i don't see how they made a game |
| 14:17.34 | Jamash | your logic is so flawed I don't see how you connected to IRC |
| 14:18.36 | Sintacks | "Swipe nearby enemies, inflicting 1008 damage. Damage increased by attack power." Bear |
| 14:18.36 | Sintacks | "Swipe nearby enemies, inflicting 525% weapon damage." Cat, but their swipe is also increased by AP.. |
| 14:22.12 | foxlit | swipe (cat) is really new. |
| 14:22.19 | foxlit | swipe (bear) has been around forever. |
| 14:22.23 | foxlit | Wordings change. |
| 14:22.43 | Sintacks | i thought they said they were going to "normalize" tooltips or something |
| 14:22.46 | Sintacks | or was i dreaming |
| 14:24.24 | foxlit | they did, in MoP |
| 14:24.47 | foxlit | neither one now mentions AP scaling. |
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| 15:14.49 | mikma | http://imgur.com/gallery/8ADRS |
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| 15:27.43 | Sintacks | lolz |
| 15:29.24 | Shirik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APMheQP3pgU&sns=fb |
| 15:31.04 | Sintacks | wtf is this |
| 15:32.36 | Sintacks | what. the fuck. |
| 15:32.57 | Shirik | so awesome |
| 15:32.59 | Sintacks | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CinfuRwQlO0 |
| 15:33.12 | Sintacks | dare you not to saw awwww |
| 15:33.56 | Shirik | Cairenn1|afk should ^ |
| 15:34.50 | mikma | shirik: that's so awesome |
| 15:35.14 | Sintacks | if by awesome you mean freaky, i agree |
| 15:35.34 | mikma | by awesome i mean awesome |
| 15:35.45 | mikma | cause, i'm from the internets with haste |
| 15:36.35 | mikma | sintacks: http://youtu.be/ffDPTKn7HiY |
| 15:44.46 | airtonix | Sintacks: when a mamma cat and a dadda bear love each other.... |
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| 15:47.27 | mikma | airtonix: i think that the cat would be ripped apart |
| 15:47.40 | airtonix | no mikma they use swipe |
| 15:50.26 | Shirik | but swipe turns you into a bear |
| 15:51.00 | Shirik | Swipe, 3, Druid (Legion-30C) | Instant Ability—Feral Bear Form, Form (1) | Ongoing: When this ability enters play, your hero deals 1 melee damage to each of up to three target heroes and/or allies. <p> Your hero has Bear Form. (Has Protector. Destroy this card when you strike with a weapon or play a non-Feral ability.) |
| 15:51.02 | Shirik | Cards never lie |
| 15:52.48 | karl_w_w | throws a card at Shirik |
| 15:53.46 | znf | I'll never understand the "fun" behind trading card games |
| 15:54.08 | Sintacks | building up an army and raping your oponent |
| 15:54.11 | Jamash | they're fun, they just have a terrible fun/dollar ratio |
| 15:56.18 | Cairenn1|afk | awww |
| 15:56.27 | Shirik | Regional championships today! |
| 15:56.32 | Shirik | Which is why I must now go |
| 15:56.33 | Shirik | bai |
| 15:56.36 | znf | "Locura de Alamuerte", localization ruins games :( |
| 15:58.10 | Jamash | localization makes games *awesome* |
| 15:58.18 | Jamash | play a game with full voice in german sometime |
| 15:58.31 | znf | God, no. |
| 15:58.37 | Jamash | yes |
| 15:58.38 | znf | I can't play a game in another language. |
| 15:58.48 | Jamash | german isn't another language |
| 15:58.52 | Jamash | it's english++ |
| 15:59.11 | znf | german is like, "let's stick words together to make new words" :P |
| 15:59.16 | Jamash | see! |
| 15:59.29 | znf | but they forgot to impose a limit on that |
| 15:59.30 | karl_w_w | because english never does that |
| 15:59.44 | znf | karl_w_w, I don't think english has 40++ letter words |
| 16:00.01 | karl_w_w | pity |
| 16:00.52 | Jamash | I tested games for infogratarimes |
| 16:01.03 | Jamash | testing german localization was awesome |
| 16:01.09 | karl_w_w | o wow |
| 16:01.12 | Stanzilla | most germans think otherwise |
| 16:01.16 | karl_w_w | monday is the 30th? |
| 16:01.23 | karl_w_w | score |
| 16:01.32 | BlackNet | well i get to start on my shop table today |
| 16:01.33 | karl_w_w | i thought monday was the 1st |
| 16:02.30 | Jamash | 30 days hath september, april june and november |
| 16:02.33 | znf | if I was king of the world, I'd ban localized games! |
| 16:02.39 | Stanzilla | I switched from german wow to enGB when they started translating names |
| 16:02.49 | Jamash | if I was king of the world I'd ban znf |
| 16:03.09 | karl_w_w | there's an easier way to remember which months have 31 days and which don't Jamash |
| 16:03.16 | znf | Stanzilla, what do you mean? Todesschwinges Wahnsinn sounds awesome! |
| 16:03.32 | znf | Drachenseele is fun, too... |
| 16:03.34 | Stanzilla | znf: like ironforge not being called ironforge anymore |
| 16:03.58 | znf | wait, I need to find out how it's called now :D |
| 16:04.09 | znf | Eisenschmiede !!! |
| 16:04.15 | Jamash | what's wrong with that? |
| 16:04.16 | BlackNet | karl_w_w the knuckle method? |
| 16:04.27 | Sintacks | fucking DrawSomething... how the fuck do you draw Skrillex |
| 16:04.46 | karl_w_w | spread your fingers out on one hand, point to your index finger and say january. point at the gap between index and middle and say february, repeat towards little finger, count little finger twice and come back the other way |
| 16:04.57 | Dagmar | Glasses, black shirt, no hair on one side. Easy. |
| 16:05.06 | Dagmar | Either they'll know who he is or they won't |
| 16:05.07 | BlackNet | yea that's the knuckle method |
| 16:05.10 | Jamash | karl_w_w: I think our definitions of "easy" differ drastically |
| 16:05.33 | znf | Sintacks, I just write "wubwubwub" |
| 16:05.38 | Sintacks | ^ |
| 16:05.44 | karl_w_w | you have to remember which months they are in the rhyme when so many months sound similar :P |
| 16:05.44 | Sintacks | that was my first thought |
| 16:05.52 | karl_w_w | my method you just point at fingers |
| 16:05.56 | Sintacks | ^ |
| 16:06.10 | Dagmar | znf: You know, all those dubstep fans are going to be really pissed when they find out he isn't partiuclarly interested in making dubstep |
| 16:06.12 | Jamash | \n|m |
| 16:06.17 | znf | Hmmm, my LuaBrowser says I have 52354 'entries' |
| 16:06.29 | Sintacks | Skrillex sucks ass |
| 16:06.30 | karl_w_w | can't wait til dubstep is gone |
| 16:06.33 | znf | +1 |
| 16:06.38 | Sintacks | and i like dubstep |
| 16:06.38 | karl_w_w | and skrillex has been shot |
| 16:06.41 | Sintacks | heh |
| 16:06.49 | znf | and /lb filter <word> crashes my wow :( |
| 16:06.51 | Sintacks | i don't like how fucking mainstream it went |
| 16:06.54 | znf | Think I need less addons? :( |
| 16:06.55 | Dagmar | I'll be happy when the faddy little fucks stop going to nightclubs and encouraging the shit DJs |
| 16:07.03 | Sintacks | znf, how many addons do you have |
| 16:07.04 | Dagmar | Murder More Hipsters. |
| 16:07.33 | znf | Sintacks, not that many... my AddOns folder has 219 items |
| 16:07.37 | airtonix | http://imgur.com/gallery/2cer0 |
| 16:07.40 | Dagmar | Sintacks: I don't like how hypocritical and short-sighted those jackanapes are |
| 16:07.58 | Sintacks | OMGOMGOMGOM. Illusion book finally showed up |
| 16:08.04 | Dagmar | THey carp about ravers doing a lot of drugs, yet they find METH to be acceptable |
| 16:08.06 | karl_w_w | 259 in my addons folder, but im sure a bunch are disabled |
| 16:08.06 | Sintacks | now i dno't have to sit in dal |
| 16:08.11 | Sintacks | also, i've fucking been here for 2 days now |
| 16:08.16 | Jamash | your knuckle method doesn't work at all |
| 16:08.19 | znf | karl_w_w, I may have ~5% of them disabled |
| 16:08.21 | Dagmar | They don't dance, they barely even _pogo_ |
| 16:08.41 | Sintacks | knuckle method works completely, Jamash |
| 16:08.56 | Dagmar | ...and none of them have a memory going back farther than five years, or you would almost never hear them excited about a "new" technique because damn near none of it is |
| 16:09.23 | Sintacks | znf, my addon folder has 493 items |
| 16:09.31 | znf | With the risk of sounding old, I find dubsteb these days to be "kids music". |
| 16:09.41 | Jamash | july has 31 days dude |
| 16:09.44 | Dagmar | Also, the generally disrepectful attitude of a lot of their artists makes me want to just go grab a machete and get to work purging the gene pool. |
| 16:09.56 | Dagmar | znf: It is. |
| 16:10.07 | karl_w_w | Jamash: urdoinitrong |
| 16:10.12 | foxlit | karl_w_w: spread your fingers out on one hand, point to your index finger and say january. point at the gap between index and middle and say february, repeat towards little finger, count little finger twice and come back the other way << complicated. |
| 16:10.15 | Jamash | youexplaineditwrong |
| 16:10.20 | Stanzilla | I don't even care what kind of music I listen to, I just need to like it |
| 16:10.21 | Dagmar | znf: I've heard DJs spin stuff that should be set on fire, and the crowds act like it's fine because a) they're on meth and b) they're fucking tone deaf |
| 16:10.27 | foxlit | start at the little finger, continue on to next hand when you run out |
| 16:10.27 | karl_w_w | it sounds complicated |
| 16:10.31 | karl_w_w | doesnt make it complicated |
| 16:10.35 | Sintacks | Jamash, Finger hole finger hole finger hole finger finger hole finger hole |
| 16:10.41 | Dagmar | o.O |
| 16:10.43 | Stanzilla | Sintacks: pervert |
| 16:10.55 | foxlit | karl_w_w: "count X twice" is a needless complication |
| 16:10.57 | karl_w_w | people get confused by thumbs foxlit, and if you cant use both hands you cant point |
| 16:10.58 | Sintacks | You double tap on your pinky finger |
| 16:10.58 | znf | It's like they throw random metallic and plastic objects down a flight of stairs and they record the sounds >_< |
| 16:11.05 | Dagmar | Sintacks: I'm pretty sure yer supposed to be buyin' someone a drink in there somewhere |
| 16:11.14 | foxlit | bs. |
| 16:11.16 | Sintacks | Dagmar, wat |
| 16:11.18 | Dagmar | znf: That kinda kills me |
| 16:11.23 | foxlit | use one hand to point at the other, when you run out, switch hands. |
| 16:11.33 | karl_w_w | foxlit: it's not a complication, it's a clarification. you get to the end, and come back the other way |
| 16:11.36 | znf | OR JUST USE A DAMN CALEDNAR |
| 16:11.37 | znf | :> |
| 16:11.43 | Sintacks | T |
| 16:11.47 | Jamash | or remember september, april, june, november |
| 16:11.49 | Sintacks | s/T/^ |
| 16:11.57 | Cairenn1 | ^^ |
| 16:11.58 | Jamash | which I have memorized |
| 16:11.58 | Dagmar | znf: There's a difference between random noises and constructed dissonance, and most of them are apparently too high to realize it matters |
| 16:12.23 | Dagmar | We should switch to the Discordian calendar |
| 16:12.25 | Sintacks | |11:55:56 am| @[Cairenn1|afk] awww |
| 16:12.26 | znf | Dagmar, what I don't understand is people that actually play that kind of music on their iPods while on their way to work or whatever |
| 16:12.28 | Sintacks | what was that at |
| 16:12.47 | Dagmar | Five days weeks, five months in the year. Nice and tify. |
| 16:12.49 | Dagmar | er tidy |
| 16:13.10 | Dagmar | znf: I blast it from my bike on the way to work, however, I don't let _shitty_ dubstep near my gear |
| 16:13.17 | Cairenn1 | exactly what you guys figured I'd awww at |
| 16:13.19 | Cairenn1 | :) |
| 16:13.27 | Dagmar | For instance, if your dubstep track "feats." Lil Wayne, please DIAF |
| 16:13.39 | znf | I have no idea who that is :D |
| 16:13.40 | Stanzilla | why? |
| 16:13.47 | Dagmar | znf: A crappy rapper |
| 16:13.48 | Sintacks | :D |
| 16:13.49 | Jamash | my calendar has 73 day weeks, and 1 month |
| 16:15.23 | Dagmar | If your dubstep track features a trailer trash girl talking about any of the following: merchandise, her ass, her whorish friends, how cool she is, how cool her car is, or how you can't "have" her, jump off somewhere fatal please |
| 16:15.42 | Stanzilla | why do you even care if it sounds fine |
| 16:15.44 | Dagmar | Hate is an art form. |
| 16:15.45 | Jamash | hey dagmar |
| 16:15.49 | Jamash | cry less |
| 16:16.22 | Sintacks | i smell QQ |
| 16:16.45 | Dagmar | Stanzilla: Because any dipshit with some money can take a flash-in-the-pan pop song purportedly written by a shallow, dimwitted party slut and "remix" |
| 16:16.50 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:17.03 | Dagmar | ...and largely they DO THIS and that's the problem with about 70% of the dubstep out there. |
| 16:17.12 | Sintacks | what song are you referencing |
| 16:17.17 | Sintacks | also, fuck dub with lyrics... |
| 16:17.24 | Dagmar | Talentless hacks turning pop trash into dubstep trash, as if polishing turds ever made a difference. |
| 16:18.06 | Stanzilla | Dagmar: and what is the problem if it still sounds fine? |
| 16:18.22 | Dagmar | Stanzilla: That it's trash. |
| 16:18.42 | Cairenn1 | "different strokes for different folks" just agree to disagree guys |
| 16:18.49 | Stanzilla | and why do you care even if it sounds fine? D |
| 16:18.51 | Dagmar | I suppose you don't feel even the slightest instinct to kill kicking in upon hearing N'Sync or Justin Bieber, do you |
| 16:19.16 | Sintacks | [iTunes] Track: 0800 ~ Artist: Skream ~ Album: Skreamizm Vol. 2 ~ Position: 0:03/4:27 |
| 16:19.24 | Stanzilla | there is a nice justin bieber feat slipknot remix |
| 16:19.26 | Dagmar | Manufactured pop should get back in the elevator where it belonds |
| 16:19.30 | Stanzilla | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kspPE9E1yGM |
| 16:19.56 | Dagmar | Anyway, only the Japanese can do it right |
| 16:20.12 | znf | Mmm, I know for a fact I have an .iso of Windows7 64bit and one with Windows7 32bit, yet I can't find any |
| 16:20.20 | Dagmar | They quit even pretending and now it's just all done by robots. |
| 16:20.40 | znf | Maybe I should clean up my Downloads folder that is soon reaching 200GB |
| 16:20.47 | Sintacks | znf, http://softgil.com/archives/554 if you can't find them. |
| 16:20.51 | Dagmar | znf: Heck no. Hard drives are cheap. Add moar. :) |
| 16:20.58 | znf | Dagmar, they're anything BUT cheap |
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| 16:21.27 | znf | Prices still haven't gotten down to their pre-thai-floods range >_< |
| 16:21.29 | Jamash | also comcast is a bad isp |
| 16:21.30 | Stanzilla | after the thailand flood they are damn expensive |
| 16:21.31 | Dagmar | No, blu-ray is anything but cheap |
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| 16:21.50 | Sintacks | holy fucking vhost length batman |
| 16:22.13 | znf | I bought 2x1TB drives pre-flood for the same price I can now buy 0.75x1TB drive >_< |
| 16:22.22 | Arrow|phone | Who me? |
| 16:22.23 | Sintacks | ^ |
| 16:22.28 | Sintacks | ues upi |
| 16:22.30 | Sintacks | yes you* |
| 16:22.38 | Sintacks | ^ I do that a lot... |
| 16:22.44 | Sintacks | i just did it tying to type i do that a lot... |
| 16:22.55 | Dagmar | znf: SSDs are pricey. Hard drives are still cheap even if they were cheap_er_ at some point in the past |
| 16:23.13 | Arrow|phone | I had freenode staff make the same comment before |
| 16:23.16 | Dagmar | I can still get 1Tb for about $125 so I don't really care that much |
| 16:23.27 | znf | HDDs were under $1/GB back then :P |
| 16:23.31 | Mr_Rabies | 1Tb used to be $55-60 |
| 16:23.40 | Dagmar | I can get it for that _in a store_ |
| 16:24.02 | Dagmar | $100/tb online is barely a two minute search |
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| 16:24.46 | Arrow|phone | I bought a 3tb external for $120 after the flood but before the price hike |
| 16:24.50 | Jamash | http://camelegg.com/product/N82E16822148681?locale=US |
| 16:24.51 | Sintacks | ^ |
| 16:24.53 | Sintacks | that's the fucking weird thing |
| 16:24.55 | Sintacks | externals, are cheaper |
| 16:24.56 | Dagmar | They were glutted then |
| 16:25.06 | znf | 1xHDD Western Digital Caviar GP 320GB, 5400RPM, 32MB, SATA3, WD3200AZDX309.99 Lei |
| 16:25.14 | Dagmar | Sintacks: Because you generally don't see that you're buying a Maxtor branded drive when you do that. heh |
| 16:25.17 | znf | that's my most recent purchase |
| 16:25.35 | znf | 320GB HDD == $93 |
| 16:25.53 | Jamash | so yeah stuff's more expensive now than it was at the beginning of 2011 |
| 16:25.56 | Dagmar | Why in god's name are you buying the "You're stuck with a replacement contract you have to fulfill" price? |
| 16:26.32 | Dagmar | Newegg (just looked) has 1Tb 5400 RPM drives for $89 |
| 16:26.32 | znf | I don't follow you |
| 16:26.42 | znf | Yeah, newegg, thank god for being american. |
| 16:26.44 | znf | I'm not :-) |
| 16:26.45 | Dagmar | 320Gb is _way_ behind the latest versions |
| 16:26.46 | nevcairiel | znf: for one, its a GP, then again, smaller drivers are really quite expensive these days |
| 16:26.57 | znf | nevcairiel, that was the cheapest |
| 16:26.58 | nevcairiel | bigger ones are cheaper :p |
| 16:27.02 | Arrow|phone | I still have 6 unopened retail box Seagate 500gb drives I got free from newegg |
| 16:27.13 | Sintacks | send me two |
| 16:27.17 | Dagmar | They're charging that much because basically, the only people buying them are the people who have a service contract to fulfill that calls for exact match replacement parts |
| 16:27.18 | znf | nevcairiel, you mean they have a better $/GB price |
| 16:27.23 | nevcairiel | prices for HDDs seem to have normalized here |
| 16:27.46 | Jamash | how do you get 6 retail HDDs for free? |
| 16:27.51 | Dagmar | Everyone else says "What? Twice the space for half the price? GIMMEH" |
| 16:28.15 | Sintacks | steal them, Jamash |
| 16:28.28 | Jamash | cool story bro |
| 16:28.29 | znf | Dagmar, depends on budget. I had a really tight budget for a complete system (mobo, cpu, ram, case, hdd) |
| 16:28.35 | Dagmar | Huh? |
| 16:28.46 | znf | HDD ended up costing me 1/3 of the system :P |
| 16:28.51 | Dagmar | Why would having a tight budget make you pay twice as much for the HDD component? |
| 16:29.06 | Jamash | what the heck is with 5900RPM |
| 16:29.08 | znf | It's not *twice* as much, that was the cheapest HDD available in all the stores in my country :) |
| 16:29.15 | Dagmar | Jamash: *no* idea whatsoever |
| 16:29.32 | Dagmar | znf: Wow, you really need to look online |
| 16:29.38 | znf | Dagmar, ONLINE dude, ONLINE |
| 16:29.52 | znf | And I'm excluding the shitty no-name stores that I have no faith in here. |
| 16:30.00 | Dagmar | For _a short_ while there, BestBuy was in the curious position of having the lowest prices going, but only because everyone else had depleted their stock |
| 16:30.24 | znf | I don't have newegg, bestbuy or any big retailer available here. |
| 16:30.31 | Dagmar | Ah... |
| 16:30.40 | nevcairiel | znf: don't mind the americans, they are not aware other countries may not have their favorite shops |
| 16:30.46 | Dagmar | I'm up to 8TB here |
| 16:30.49 | znf | What I bought, that 320GB HDD for $93 was the cheapest HDD available. |
| 16:30.56 | Dagmar | ...in _one_ box mind you. |
| 16:31.16 | znf | And, like I said, I excluded stores with no reputation that popped up online :P |
| 16:31.18 | airtonix | i have marvel |
| 16:31.18 | Dagmar | You guys were really getting screwed |
| 16:31.21 | airtonix | and hate |
| 16:31.23 | nevcairiel | i have 16 in one box, well technically, comes out to 12 usable because of raids and stuff |
| 16:31.40 | airtonix | lol raid |
| 16:31.49 | Dagmar | lol dataloss & downtime |
| 16:31.52 | znf | Yup, and I think that the biggest problem here is that they've stocked up on these expensive shits and now they can't deplete their stocks because nobody is buying... |
| 16:32.01 | Dagmar | znf: Sounds like it |
| 16:32.10 | znf | I only buy a HDD if I really _have_ to and I can't reuse one from the previous system. |
| 16:32.14 | Arrow|phone | is sitting in Arby's killing time before work eating curly fries |
| 16:32.14 | airtonix | raid sucks |
| 16:32.43 | znf | lol, I just realized the HDD cost me 2x the CPU price :D |
| 16:33.00 | Dagmar | It didn't help much that at the outset of the supply crunch, a few companies like Dell just freaked and ordered everything they could to keep their production lines from stopping |
| 16:33.12 | Sintacks | "--This is the first version of this addon. Needs alot of cleaning in next version!" |
| 16:33.24 | Sintacks | that's not a nice thing to see for something that hasn't been updated since 3.3 |
| 16:34.28 | Arrow|phone | Last time I ordered drives it was $1200 total |
| 16:35.38 | Arrow|phone | 8x Samsung raid class 1tb drives with 8x Seagate 500gb thrown in for free |
| 16:35.40 | znf | airtonix, and you'd suggest.. what? praying for no disk crash? |
| 16:35.47 | airtonix | no |
| 16:35.59 | znf | then? |
| 16:36.10 | airtonix | i use zfs instead and now i don't worry about stupid shit that comes with raid |
| 16:36.26 | airtonix | inb4 it's a kind of raid |
| 16:36.34 | znf | heh, I could have bet 1mil that you'd say ZFS |
| 16:36.38 | znf | doesn't get the hype behind it |
| 16:37.01 | airtonix | hype? |
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| 16:41.11 | Dagmar | Yes the babblings of people who think it's just awesome that zfs was designed with redundancy in it |
| 16:41.26 | Dagmar | ...so you're still doing RAID, just not as an atomic step. |
| 16:42.07 | Dagmar | But the upshot of that is that you get less flexibility. |
| 16:42.11 | Dagmar | Yay |
| 16:42.47 | airtonix | less flexibility? |
| 16:43.01 | airtonix | i'm sorry does normal raid have snapshotting ? |
| 16:43.18 | Dagmar | LVM has snapshotting |
| 16:43.22 | airtonix | lvm is shit |
| 16:43.26 | Dagmar | RAID's job _isn't_ snapshots |
| 16:43.36 | airtonix | it should be |
| 16:43.40 | Gnarfoz | which means ZFS is not RAID |
| 16:43.42 | Gnarfoz | q.e.d. |
| 16:43.48 | bluspacecow | yeah dagmar! |
| 16:43.53 | Dagmar | No it shouldn't be because it wasn't designed to operate at that level |
| 16:43.56 | bluspacecow | its killing flys is its job! |
| 16:44.03 | bluspacecow | *ducks* |
| 16:44.11 | Gnarfoz | apparently, someone desinged something new |
| 16:44.19 | airtonix | and people are mad |
| 16:44.29 | Gnarfoz | of course they are, change is not welcome |
| 16:44.43 | Dagmar | Change I don't mind. Change for change's sake is pointless. |
| 16:44.57 | airtonix | it brings lots of improvements |
| 16:45.07 | bluspacecow | yeah the whole "lets label it as modern so everyone should do it" |
| 16:45.11 | airtonix | lvm is complicated to manage, and has no failsafes... |
| 16:45.18 | bluspacecow | without sparing a thought over _why_ you should do it |
| 16:45.21 | Fisker | hey Dagmar |
| 16:45.23 | Fisker | however not so hey Gnarfoz |
| 16:45.26 | Fisker | however hey bluspacecow |
| 16:45.29 | Gnarfoz | of course not |
| 16:45.34 | Dagmar | Good lord LVM isn't complicated |
| 16:45.42 | airtonix | yes it is |
| 16:45.55 | Dagmar | Dude I can do LVM stuff practically in my sleep |
| 16:45.56 | airtonix | if i have to read a man page then i'm already wasting time |
| 16:46.18 | Dagmar | (lv|pv|vg)(scan|create|remove) |
| 16:46.20 | airtonix | lvms commands aren't even named in some sensical manner |
| 16:46.24 | bluspacecow | into gay pron now airtonix ? |
| 16:46.26 | Dagmar | Highly complex commands, apparently. |
| 16:46.42 | Fisker | sure they make sense airtonix |
| 16:46.44 | Gnarfoz | if LVM + RAID is so good, something combining what the do can't be much worse |
| 16:46.46 | Fisker | don't be stupid |
| 16:46.56 | znf | airtonix, and I don't need to to read shitloads of stuff to understand how ZFS works? |
| 16:47.01 | airtonix | no |
| 16:47.15 | znf | ok, I format a disk with ZFS, then what? |
| 16:47.28 | bluspacecow | y u reading man pages then airtonix ? |
| 16:47.32 | airtonix | i actually find it easier to just deal with zfs compared to lvm |
| 16:47.42 | airtonix | if i use lvm i NEED to use raid as well |
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| 16:47.49 | znf | ok, explain me how you set up a system with 2 disks with ZFS |
| 16:48.02 | znf | I have no idea how it works, so prove me that it's easier than lvm / raid :) |
| 16:48.08 | Dagmar | Akshully, LVM can do raid by itself just fine |
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| 16:49.12 | znf | with LVM I create the PVs, then the VG then the LV |
| 16:49.23 | airtonix | the what? |
| 16:49.36 | znf | Physical Volume, Volume Group, Logical Volume |
| 16:49.40 | airtonix | ugh |
| 16:49.51 | znf | Took me 5 minutes to read about that when I used LVM for the first time. |
| 16:51.00 | znf | http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-current/2007-April/070616.html <--- seems to me that you actually have to read some stuff and understand what each thing means |
| 16:51.36 | airtonix | zfs --help has every thing you need to know |
| 16:52.44 | airtonix | and you only actually need the first two : zpool create POOLNAME dev1 dev2 dev3 && zfs create POOLNAME/folder |
| 16:53.37 | znf | Can you mount zfs as / ? |
| 16:53.40 | Dagmar | pvcreate /dev/?d* && vgcreate VolGroup ... && lvcreate ... done |
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| 16:53.52 | Gnarfoz | yeah THAT looks really simple. |
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| 16:54.12 | Dagmar | It's three commands and they practically all take the same arguments |
| 16:54.22 | airtonix | which i find confusing |
| 16:54.27 | Gnarfoz | doesn't look like zfs is much more complicated |
| 16:54.32 | Dagmar | literally (layer below) (layer above) as arguments |
| 16:54.57 | Dagmar | The only thing zfs has "going" for it there is that it's one command but you still get to add extra arguments for each aspect of the operations |
| 16:55.00 | Gnarfoz | so volgroup is below the PVs it's created with? |
| 16:55.06 | airtonix | http://www.unixconsult.org/zfs_vs_lvm.html |
| 16:55.18 | airtonix | Dagmar: is that true about snapshots with lvm ? |
| 16:55.22 | Dagmar | No, it's physical volumes, then volume groups, then logical volumes. |
| 16:55.24 | airtonix | offline only? |
| 16:55.29 | Dagmar | airtonix: What, that it can do snapshots? |
| 16:55.34 | znf | Gnarfoz, you "merge" PVs into a VGs, then you "split" that VG into LVMs |
| 16:55.34 | airtonix | no |
| 16:55.34 | Dagmar | Oh, no not true |
| 16:55.55 | znf | LVs* |
| 16:55.59 | Gnarfoz | znf: I know, just pointing out that "(layer below) (layer above)" doesn't make much sense, because it's the other way around |
| 16:56.01 | Dagmar | Just think of LVMs as partitions (because they basically are) |
| 16:56.05 | Dagmar | er LVs |
| 16:56.10 | airtonix | Dagmar: how much disk space does lvm use for each snapshot? |
| 16:56.26 | Gnarfoz | none, if you never write anything again aftewards, I'd hope |
| 16:56.30 | Dagmar | airtonix: depends on whether or not you tell it to make a complete snapshot or a shapshot you intend to be temporary |
| 16:56.57 | Dagmar | You can tell it you want 20Gb of space for writes if you like. |
| 16:57.15 | Dagmar | I was actually backing up my minecraft directory that way |
| 16:57.26 | airtonix | Checksum's all data , zfs:yes, lvm: no |
| 16:57.40 | airtonix | Copes with disk corruption: zfs:yes, lvm:no |
| 16:58.04 | Dagmar | lvm:yes |
| 16:58.13 | znf | Hmmm, apparently I need to go to work in 2 hours |
| 16:58.50 | airtonix | http://www.agileweboperations.com/zfs-vs-lvm-for-dummies |
| 16:59.17 | Dagmar | Ah well there's the problem right there |
| 17:00.33 | airtonix | i really tried to use lvm the first time around... and I have so much shit to do that zfs is simple enough in terms of management commands and powerful enough to do all the awesome things i need like |
| 17:00.59 | Dagmar | I got thrown into it because of a SAN, but it's still not hard |
| 17:01.06 | Dagmar | The docucmentation could use some fuckin' pictures tho |
| 17:01.12 | Dagmar | One would solve most people's confusion entirely. |
| 17:01.28 | Dagmar | ...at least the people that don't get confused by the idea of DOS partitions |
| 17:01.37 | airtonix | no it really needs its commands to be simplified |
| 17:01.52 | airtonix | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:02.09 | Sintacks | I love how this channel went from dead quiet to non-stop |
| 17:02.15 | airtonix | the verbage |
| 17:02.16 | Dagmar | Crazy. |
| 17:02.57 | airtonix | Dagmar: do you use any particular UPS with linux ? |
| 17:03.06 | Dagmar | pvcreate (disks). Done. You *can* make DOS partitions into a VG but you'd be missing the point. Now "physical volumes" are all prepared and ready to be used. |
| 17:03.11 | Dagmar | airtonix: Liebert. |
| 17:03.26 | airtonix | it works with one of the two UPS libs for linux? |
| 17:03.36 | airtonix | to start a graceful shutdown? |
| 17:03.48 | Dagmar | vgcreate (them disks) (name for it). Done. Now you have something exactly parity with the disks you had before, except now they span physical disks. |
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| 17:04.19 | Dagmar | lvcreate (volume group) (name). Done. Now you have the equivalent of yer DOS partitions, and you don't have to care what disk it's on |
| 17:04.35 | Dagmar | They stack that neatly. |
| 17:04.46 | Dagmar | The LVM howto just sucks a dick for not bothering to try a picture |
| 17:05.50 | bluspacecow | man thats the third thread in 2 days over enabling addons on the beta |
| 17:05.59 | bluspacecow | some people just don't get teh concept of beta testing |
| 17:06.00 | Dagmar | Wait you can do that now? |
| 17:06.19 | bluspacecow | nope |
| 17:06.27 | bluspacecow | i mean people complaining about not having them |
| 17:06.31 | Dagmar | Ah okay that's what I thought |
| 17:06.32 | airtonix | bluspacecow: the problem is that everyone uses addons, and all addons say they are in beta. |
| 17:06.41 | airtonix | so they think beta is some kind of normal |
| 17:06.46 | Dagmar | The only one I really, desperately need is ArkInventory |
| 17:06.57 | bluspacecow | heh |
| 17:07.18 | bluspacecow | i want that one that sorts my bag that i can't think of right now |
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| 17:07.48 | znf | I need proper dot timers >_< |
| 17:07.52 | bluspacecow | someone make a macro method of sorting bags out. |
| 17:08.04 | znf | Why don't they just implement OmniCC in the main UI? :-/ |
| 17:09.02 | znf | That pie animation is completely non-reliable... And it's about time they allow people to scale UI elements individually by now. |
| 17:09.03 | Dagmar | bluspacecow: Yeah, on beta I open my bags and I'm like "oh my god it's full of icons" |
| 17:09.29 | bluspacecow | i just want all me food in one bag , along with potions then gear then everything else |
| 17:09.40 | znf | I don't need huge-ass action bars, but I do want bigger icons for my dots on my target :-/ |
| 17:11.02 | bluspacecow | i sleeps nows |
| 17:11.24 | Dagmar | I just wanna be able to find something without doing the virtual equivalent of upending all my bags onto the floor and rummaging around |
| 17:12.08 | Fisker | hey Dagmar |
| 17:12.25 | znf | Dagmar, there's a search bar :P |
| 17:13.46 | Dagmar | Yeah but that's a bit much to resort to (and having to remember the bloody name) when I'm used to just having a place where quest items go |
| 17:13.51 | Dagmar | ...and I can just click the damn thing |
| 17:14.07 | Gnarfoz | quest items show up in the quest tracker anyway? |
| 17:14.11 | Gnarfoz | (as clickable buttons) |
| 17:14.24 | Dagmar | I don't generally bother using it |
| 17:14.47 | znf | I hope they fix that piece of shit quest tracker |
| 17:14.56 | znf | It's still bugged as hell in live |
| 17:15.11 | znf | You can't move it to the left side of the screen without it breaking every 5 minutes |
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| 17:19.35 | Fisker | hey znf not so hey Gnarfoz |
| 17:25.53 | Stanzilla | not so hey Fisker |
| 17:30.28 | airtonix | eh bru |
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| 18:09.48 | Fisker | why not Stanzilla ? |
| 18:09.54 | Fisker | i thought we were buds |
| 18:10.01 | Stanzilla | because I super hey you |
| 18:14.23 | karl_w_w | queen's garnet 400g a pop on my realm |
| 18:14.52 | Stanzilla | all thanks to our chinese friends |
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| 18:19.09 | foxlit | "Tip: Nobody has seen Alleria or Turalyon in years." |
| 18:23.48 | Fisker | nice super hey to you too Stanzilla |
| 18:23.54 | Fisker | not really Stanzilla :( |
| 18:24.02 | Stanzilla | :( |
| 18:24.28 | Fisker | damn exploiters |
| 18:27.17 | karl_w_w | so old foxlit |
| 18:27.32 | foxlit | how old, exactly? |
| 18:28.04 | karl_w_w | hours at least |
| 18:28.46 | karl_w_w | 36 to be precise |
| 18:31.37 | foxlit | not 38? |
| 18:32.05 | karl_w_w | not according to maths |
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| 18:34.45 | znf | <karl_w_w> queen's garnet 400g a pop on my realm |
| 18:34.49 | znf | so where's the bad part? :P |
| 18:36.42 | karl_w_w | where airtonix dupes them and sells them all |
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| 18:40.27 | airtonix | Iriel: this random city generator is actually alot of fun |
| 18:40.48 | airtonix | it'll create underground cities too |
| 18:57.15 | Fisker | whoop Stanzilla |
| 18:57.26 | Stanzilla | hi |
| 18:59.04 | Fisker | raid just disbanded :D |
| 18:59.34 | Stanzilla | why |
| 19:00.02 | Fisker | a combination of people failing to soak on warmaster and people afking :P |
| 19:00.20 | Fisker | really bad coincidences today |
| 19:00.33 | Fisker | one who delayed the raid about 20 minutes because of a broken monitor |
| 19:00.39 | Fisker | then some guy goes afk without telling |
| 19:00.58 | Fisker | and then like 10 seconds before that guy comes back (after waiting like 10 minutes) some other guy goes afk for 10 minutes |
| 19:01.03 | Fisker | so basically everyone was pissed |
| 19:01.59 | Fisker | i guess it was pretty much setting sail for fail anyway |
| 19:02.17 | Fisker | didn't go a week or two without someone being replaced either because he stopped or was kicked |
| 19:04.14 | Stanzilla | sounds like fun |
| 19:04.17 | Stanzilla | now what are you going to do? |
| 19:06.13 | Fisker | idk |
| 19:10.49 | artlon | yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawns. |
| 19:11.05 | artlon | Anyone got any meth? I need to wake up. |
| 19:15.35 | tutti | I do have some Coke, if that helps. |
| 19:22.37 | karl_w_w | Fisker your raid leader must be terrible. You're the raid leader aren't you? |
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| 19:55.53 | Thunder_Child | is 5in. worth $280? |
| 19:56.42 | zenzelezz | don't do it TC, those emails are just scams |
| 19:57.19 | Thunder_Child | Thank you for falling into my try zenzelezz |
| 19:57.28 | Thunder_Child | I actually mean for TV's |
| 19:57.36 | Thunder_Child | trap* |
| 19:57.44 | zenzelezz | I'd never go for a five-inch TV |
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| 19:58.28 | Thunder_Child | zenzelezz: do you have a smartphone? |
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| 20:08.30 | karl_w_w | a 5 inch tv? that would be terrible |
| 20:08.55 | karl_w_w | besides im sure you can get 25 inches for that money |
| 20:09.33 | karl_w_w | how would you like to walk around with that in your trousers, hmm? |
| 20:11.08 | BlackNet | you have a 5 inch tv in your pocket or are you just happy to see me |
| 20:11.16 | karl_w_w | http://xkcd.com/1028/ this lost me |
| 20:12.28 | karl_w_w | so the guy with the hat sees the hole and thinks dangerous hole! then tells the second guy about the dangerous hole and the second guy thinks the guy with the hat... is a ballerina? |
| 20:12.29 | karl_w_w | what? |
| 20:12.48 | BlackNet | karl_w_w it's clearly communication between the sexes with sex becoming a dominating factor but after sex is over the communication resumes |
| 20:17.37 | karl_w_w | ive got it |
| 20:17.57 | karl_w_w | sort of |
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| 20:35.56 | Maldivia | BlackNet: so what you're saying is, that a hole is a hole is a hole ? |
| 20:40.40 | Jamash | sounds dirty |
| 20:40.48 | Jamash | I'm going to take a nap |
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| 20:41.36 | karl_w_w | dirty things make you want to nap? |
| 20:42.29 | Jamash | these are unrelated statements |
| 20:42.38 | Jaliborc | never! |
| 20:42.49 | karl_w_w | or so you'd have us believe |
| 20:42.58 | Jamash | anywy the point of the xkcd is that telling people things is never as effective as showing people things |
| 20:43.26 | karl_w_w | yes, but it's wrong |
| 20:43.39 | Jamash | the three who try to talk about the holes in the ground end up getting distracted and falling in them |
| 20:43.51 | Jamash | the one guy who shows the other guy the hole succeeds in showing him the hole |
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| 20:45.18 | karl_w_w | if I tell you that 2Mg + O2 = 2MgO you'll understand that |
| 20:45.34 | karl_w_w | but if I show you you'll just say "oooh bright!" |
| 20:46.14 | Jamash | not unless I already know what the abbreviations for the chemical elements are and the basics of combustion |
| 20:46.45 | Jamash | so essentially I understand that only if I already understood it |
| 20:46.47 | karl_w_w | point is, sometimes showing is more distracting |
| 20:47.39 | Jamash | sounds dirty |
| 20:47.51 | Jamash | I'm going to take a nap |
| 20:47.55 | karl_w_w | me too |
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| 21:28.42 | foxlit | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showpost.php?p=255972&postcount=7 |
| 21:28.46 | foxlit | ha, knew someone would fall for that |
| 21:29.40 | foxlit | people on wowi have a simply despicable habit of screaming "zomg you're violating the rules!" rather than simply reporting the post; it's a spambot quoting an old forum thread in this case |
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| 21:52.19 | Adys_ | foxlit: well he's being "that" guy |
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| 22:28.56 | Adys | anyone here with experience autogenerating space pictures? |
| 22:30.32 | Adys | i was thinking about having a small fake starmap db, and given coordinates+facing within that map, autogenerate a picture of the location given various details about the location/surroundings and objects within the map |
| 22:31.14 | Adys | basically sort of a 3d renderer but I'd like to autogenerate the textures too |
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| 22:38.01 | cbreak | I've never done that. But it doesn't sound too hard |
| 22:38.06 | cbreak | as long as you only want to render stars :) |
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| 22:39.31 | Adys | cbreak: limited object rendering too (basic texture planets and suns at close proximity) |
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| 22:39.42 | Adys | possibly nebulae too |
| 22:55.00 | Mr_Rabies | ooh another MoP beta patch |
| 22:55.02 | Mr_Rabies | :O |
| 22:57.14 | Adys | Maldivia: ^ any new files? my checker says no, but dunno if they've been modified |
| 23:01.35 | Stanzilla | Adys: no patch for me |
| 23:02.48 | Ressy | patch was the 27th |
| 23:04.28 | kd3 | yah, build 15650 landed yesterday, my tools aren't finding anything newer |
| 23:07.54 | Mr_Rabies | oh, i guess i didn't patch yesterday |
| 23:08.15 | Mr_Rabies | mmo-c only lists 15640 stuff as far as i can see |
| 23:08.25 | Mr_Rabies | so i figured it was today's patch or something |
| 23:09.01 | Maldivia | Adys: not besides the list I already send you |
| 23:09.40 | Maldivia | Mr_Rabies: and MMOC has 15650 stuff |
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| 23:10.39 | Mr_Rabies | oh, it's below stuff listed as 15640, derp |
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| 23:18.16 | Mr_Rabies | oh blizzard downloader why are you so awful :( |
| 23:18.44 | Mr_Rabies | it's taken since i said "ooh another MoP beta patch" to download this patch and it's still got a ways to go |
| 23:20.15 | cbreak | Mr_Rabies: could be worse. |
| 23:20.31 | cbreak | you could be fighting with hardware problems |
| 23:21.00 | Mr_Rabies | is that what you're doing right now? |
| 23:21.13 | cbreak | yeah :( *moanmoancrycry* |
| 23:22.11 | cbreak | took me ages to diagnose. I ended up formating my drive and trying to reinstall the OS, which also failed |
| 23:22.15 | Mr_Rabies | what problem are you having? |
| 23:22.39 | cbreak | and eventually I managed to spot the symptom that the Lion Installer failed to verify its own integrity |
| 23:22.54 | Mr_Rabies | did you run apple hardware test? |
| 23:23.04 | cbreak | so I ran openssl sha1 to get the checksum on some files |
| 23:23.16 | cbreak | and I found one that gave me a different check sum every time I tried |
| 23:23.23 | cbreak | -> that damn ssd is broken. |
| 23:23.39 | cbreak | no wonder the installation failed all the time |
| 23:23.44 | Mr_Rabies | could also be faulty RAM |
| 23:23.48 | Mr_Rabies | i'd run AHT |
| 23:23.58 | cbreak | I don't think it's ram related |
| 23:24.04 | Mr_Rabies | it easily could be |
| 23:24.09 | cbreak | it only happens with some files (on some locations of the SSD) |
| 23:24.12 | cbreak | others are alright |
| 23:24.28 | cbreak | in particular, all files on the install medium are OK |
| 23:24.36 | cbreak | (all that I checked) |
| 23:25.04 | cbreak | also, I don't think hardware test is still part of OS X boot volumes |
| 23:25.14 | Mr_Rabies | most likely the SSD, but i'd still check it out in AHT for prosperity's sake, but i'm a hardware testaholic |
| 23:25.40 | Mr_Rabies | afaik it's in firmware now, just hold D whilst booting |
| 23:25.48 | cbreak | hmm. I have to check that. |
| 23:29.16 | cbreak | doesn't appear to work |
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| 23:33.02 | cbreak | seems the hardware test is started from disk, which is missing since I formated the ssd |
| 23:41.06 | cbreak | it was on the second DVD |
