| 00:15.35 | Thunder_Child | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTQL3qFtOKA uh, is it just me or is the music nearly identical to the thong song? |
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| 01:09.08 | sintAcks | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-Ww2D4a3IM&feature=player_embedded#! |
| 01:09.09 | sintAcks | WHY |
| 01:27.22 | Shirik | because tosh.0 |
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| 01:27.46 | Shirik | people are willing to do insanely stupid things now |
| 01:27.49 | Shirik | just to get on tv |
| 01:28.01 | Shirik | all because of a guy who had this brilliant idea to make a TV show of youtube videos |
| 01:28.44 | bluspacecow | @Adys whats the parameters for checking the PTR build with your script again ? |
| 01:37.37 | Maldivia | bluspacecow: --client 2 --server public-test or somethng like that |
| 01:38.33 | bluspacecow | ty |
| 02:11.04 | blushower | kk work tiems |
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| 03:08.00 | bluworkcow | @wowtechbot down boy |
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| 04:03.35 | bluworkcow | @fisker http://www.nvidia.co.uk/content/DriverDownload-March2009/includes/uk/images/220x239_masseffects3_sweepstake.jpg |
| 04:03.37 | bluworkcow | i lolzed |
| 04:06.13 | Thunder_Child | indeed |
| 04:06.31 | Thunder_Child | though i think you can get ass in this one as well |
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| 04:11.02 | bluworkcow | http://www.quiterly.com/2569/how-to-tell-html-from-html5 |
| 04:11.33 | airtonix | Shirik: why would you listen to Peter Tosh |
| 04:11.45 | bluworkcow | lol who? |
| 04:11.50 | airtonix | sigh |
| 04:11.54 | airtonix | young people today |
| 04:12.37 | bluworkcow | peter gabriel ? in your eyes ? |
| 04:12.43 | airtonix | who? |
| 04:13.13 | Thunder_Child | i know blu is really confused and i am fairly sure airtonix is trolling |
| 04:13.19 | Thunder_Child | badly |
| 04:13.25 | airtonix | Thunder_Child: you don't know who peter tosh is? |
| 04:13.30 | bluworkcow | pass the dutchie ? |
| 04:13.36 | Thunder_Child | tosh2.0 |
| 04:13.52 | Thunder_Child | tv show bluworkcow |
| 04:13.56 | Thunder_Child | and a bad one at that |
| 04:14.03 | bluworkcow | stir it up ? |
| 04:14.15 | airtonix | peter tosh was a jamacian musician |
| 04:14.41 | airtonix | was being the operative word |
| 04:14.59 | bluworkcow | wailers right ? |
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| 04:21.28 | airtonix | hey bluworkcow, you been to darwin? |
| 04:21.43 | BlackNet | wohoo power is back on |
| 04:22.01 | airtonix | BlackNet: your point is? |
| 04:22.19 | BlackNet | airtonix you mad bro? |
| 04:22.36 | airtonix | BlackNet: no cuz |
| 04:22.46 | airtonix | i is all up n stuff |
| 04:23.49 | bluworkcow | darwin ? as in ozzie ? |
| 04:24.03 | airtonix | bluworkcow: darwin, where everyone is your mothers cousin |
| 04:24.25 | airtonix | and every bloke is the brother of a another mother |
| 04:24.44 | bluworkcow | nah dood |
| 04:25.03 | airtonix | "i reckon you and i must be brothers, cuz your mum and my dad used to drink at the same pub" |
| 04:25.26 | airtonix | straight up brus |
| 04:25.56 | BlackNet | durring the outage i took the time to work on my long rifle some. |
| 04:26.22 | airtonix | BlackNet: is that a euphamism? |
| 04:28.12 | BlackNet | no |
| 04:28.18 | BlackNet | i make firearms, knives, etc. |
| 04:32.23 | BlackNet | http://wetlands.simplyaquatics.com/v/weapons/howdah-20x50+HP0062/IMG_0058.JPG.html <<<-- one of my custom jobs i did |
| 04:35.42 | kd3 | neat |
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| 04:36.56 | M1Garand | er |
| 04:36.57 | M1Garand | ok |
| 04:37.01 | M1Garand | got disconnected |
| 04:37.55 | M1Garand | http://wetlands.simplyaquatics.com/v/weapons/Kentucky-Flint-PD26116/IMG_3134.JPG.html here is another one i did |
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| 04:40.23 | M1Garand | http://wetlands.simplyaquatics.com/v/knife-making/damascus/folders/605-mini-weave/ this is one of the knives i have been working on for some time now |
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| 04:41.12 | kd3 | etching the designs? |
| 04:41.23 | BlackNet | nope |
| 04:42.44 | BlackNet | that's the way the metal is made. the only etchign is the finish. |
| 04:42.48 | kd3 | oh, wait. that's damascus steel |
| 04:42.49 | kd3 | yah |
| 04:43.00 | BlackNet | yes it is |
| 04:43.18 | kd3 | neat! |
| 04:43.58 | BlackNet | http://wetlands.simplyaquatics.com/v/knife-making/damascus/bowie/patriot-damascus/ here is a good one. |
| 04:44.04 | BlackNet | this is about 10 years in the making so far. |
| 04:44.21 | BlackNet | not had much time to spend on it either. not really sure what i want on it |
| 04:45.07 | airtonix | lol amd/ati |
| 04:45.13 | bluworkcow | http://i.imgur.com/gWe73.gif |
| 04:48.37 | BlackNet | end of that album you can see the billet before it was cut |
| 04:49.14 | kd3 | huh |
| 04:49.22 | airtonix | kd3: thanks for wasting my time |
| 04:49.31 | kd3 | ? |
| 04:49.59 | Trela | Torhal: Stabby stabby stab. |
| 04:50.05 | BlackNet | http://wetlands.simplyaquatics.com/v/knife-making/damascus/bowie/patriot-damascus/patriot-pattern-damascus-billet.JPG.html this is the billet of steel i started with |
| 04:50.27 | airtonix | BlackNet: do you make bows |
| 04:50.31 | airtonix | and arrows |
| 04:50.34 | BlackNet | not yet |
| 04:50.53 | airtonix | you should make motivational arrows |
| 04:50.54 | BlackNet | http://wetlands.simplyaquatics.com/v/knife-making/damascus/bowie/patriot-damascus/IMG_8253.JPG.html how it looks now |
| 04:51.10 | BlackNet | motivational arrows? |
| 04:51.18 | airtonix | in a glass cabinet |
| 04:52.22 | airtonix | yeah all carved up like those french eggs |
| 04:52.57 | BlackNet | http://wetlands.simplyaquatics.com/v/knife-making/damascus/damascus-arrowheads/ liek this? |
| 04:53.11 | BlackNet | http://wetlands.simplyaquatics.com/v/knife-making/damascus/alabama-damascus-star/ or this? |
| 04:55.11 | bluworkcow | http://www.flickr.com/photos/drxeno/3000348512/ |
| 04:56.00 | BlackNet | cute |
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| 05:16.44 | airtonix | Adys: have you ever used dropbox as a possible storage backend for users upload media? |
| 05:16.49 | airtonix | Adys: in django |
| 05:17.27 | airtonix | i don't use facebook, but do they allow you to use images you upload to your thing on facebook on other websites? |
| 05:17.37 | airtonix | like flickr do |
| 05:20.18 | airtonix | bluworkcow: wine blogging is serious business |
| 05:20.54 | bluworkcow | @airtonix if you use the direct link for the image yes |
| 05:21.08 | airtonix | bluworkcow: so there is no helpful api? |
| 05:21.08 | bluworkcow | they've gotten in trouble for not actually deleting peoples photos when asked. |
| 05:21.24 | bluworkcow | dunno |
| 05:21.45 | airtonix | because flickr only let you upload 200 images before they want money from you |
| 05:25.20 | BlackNet | use your own gallery |
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| 05:33.30 | sintAcks | anyone know why MikScrolling Battle Text options would sometimes not work (or appear to not load properly) after being logged in for a long time.. |
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| 05:54.42 | BlackNet | errors perhaps? |
| 06:06.54 | starlon | android is one hurdle after another.:\ |
| 06:11.44 | bluworkcow | http://www.macrumors.com/2012/02/17/apple-removes-x11-in-os-x-mountain-lion-shifts-support-to-open-source-xquartz/ |
| 06:11.47 | bluworkcow | not sure if want. |
| 06:13.44 | Arrowmaster | i think i need to find a new place to store my loot in skyrim, when im interacting with this chest any action takes at least 5 seconds |
| 06:20.09 | Kaylin | question time! |
| 06:20.22 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster: i'm not sure putting away your musical instrument is going to help with boobs |
| 06:20.35 | Kaylin | reading through some code here, found a regular expression but I don't know how to use those. |
| 06:20.35 | Kaylin | (regexp-match #rx"(\r\n|^)\r\n" in) |
| 06:20.35 | Kaylin | I assume \r \n is CR-LF, and I see from "f***ing wikipedia" that ^ in that context is the start of a string, | is logical OR, but what does this mean exactly match a string terminated with CR-LF OR the same thing also beginning with CR-LF? |
| 06:21.17 | bluworkcow | the matrix will consume you |
| 06:22.20 | Kaylin | consumes zerglings for excess energy... |
| 06:22.23 | Kaylin | casts defile! |
| 06:22.50 | Thunder_Child | yea, regex makes people want to kill something |
| 06:23.08 | Arrowmaster | is that lisp? |
| 06:25.17 | Kaylin | yes, it is |
| 06:25.19 | Kaylin | @ arrowmaster |
| 06:25.27 | Kaylin | well, it's racket but, yes it's lisp |
| 06:35.45 | Kaylin | AHA idea |
| 06:35.51 | Kaylin | freenode has a #racket channel |
| 06:36.18 | bluworkcow | lol |
| 06:46.49 | BlackNet | hmm ok so |
| 06:47.28 | BlackNet | if a plate heirloom is sent to a low level alt and it turns to mail, can you transmog it with plate or with mail? |
| 06:53.17 | Kaylin | I'd assume mail because you need to be able to wear the item and |
| 06:53.22 | Kaylin | you can't wear plate at that point |
| 07:03.03 | bluworkcow | @Fisker: |
| 07:03.14 | bluworkcow | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/4079868981 |
| 07:03.15 | bluworkcow | he mad |
| 07:03.41 | Corrodias | aw yeh he iz |
| 07:04.48 | bluworkcow | he weal mad |
| 07:28.13 | Thunder_Child | one can only hope for a permaban |
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| 07:47.54 | Torhal | Trela: Why the sharp violence? |
| 08:25.12 | Fisker | hey bluworkcow |
| 08:25.43 | Fisker | he very mad bluworkcow |
| 08:27.40 | Fisker | but y he so mad bluworkcow ? |
| 08:29.52 | bluworkcow | i dunno |
| 08:30.04 | bluworkcow | maybe he no find group for holiday boss] |
| 08:31.30 | Fisker | it's not active here anymore :( |
| 08:31.33 | Fisker | and i no get rocket |
| 08:43.55 | nevcairiel | you no deserve rocket |
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| 09:17.50 | Maldivia | bluworkcow: better luck this time around then ? |
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| 09:42.07 | Adys | bluworkcow: --client is the client version; 1 for live, 2 for ptr, 3 for beta. --server is the server on which its stored. its usually <xx-xx>.worldofwarcraft.com ish |
| 09:42.20 | Adys | public-test.foo, enus.foo, etc |
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| 09:43.34 | bluworkcow | dunno Maldivia haven't checked that email yet. |
| 09:46.08 | Maldivia | bluworkcow: well, at least you figure in the mail log this time :P |
| 09:46.16 | bluworkcow | :P |
| 09:46.17 | bluworkcow | soz |
| 09:46.26 | bluworkcow | little busy with paperwork @ work :P |
| 09:47.11 | Adys | airtonix: ive fiddled with dropbox internals before but never even thought of it as a storage backend |
| 09:47.15 | Adys | and it seems insane |
| 09:50.17 | Maldivia | well, if the files are places in the Public of Pictures folder for dropbox, it should give predictable urls... alternatively, there's picasa if it's just images ? |
| 09:57.30 | Adys | Maldivia: it doesnt really matter about the urls, they probably have apis and such |
| 09:57.30 | Adys | but |
| 09:57.41 | Adys | it seems insane to use it as a webapps's storage backend |
| 09:57.53 | Adys | dropbox isnt exactly a cdn |
| 09:58.40 | Maldivia | and they are kind of slow |
| 09:58.53 | Maldivia | that's what I suggested picasa instead :P |
| 09:59.01 | Maldivia | why* |
| 09:59.14 | Adys | picasa isnt exactly better |
| 09:59.15 | Adys | i mean |
| 09:59.34 | Adys | they have google's cdn but the apis are extra-slow |
| 10:00.09 | Maldivia | well, don't know about the api's, but google's cdn is usually fine speed |
| 10:00.16 | Adys | yup |
| 10:01.41 | Maldivia | but wouldn't the number of API calls be more or less limited to 1-2 per upload ? |
| 10:02.41 | Adys | http://groups.google.com/a/googleproductforums.com/forum/#!category-topic/picasa/picasa-web-albums/j3VFfRKdmE0 |
| 10:02.50 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:04.30 | Maldivia | and they have a public API, which is an interface provided by Google :P |
| 10:05.41 | Adys | its a grey area |
| 10:05.47 | Adys | either way google has final control of it |
| 10:06.07 | Adys | i believe they'd be completely fine with picasa integration |
| 10:06.23 | Adys | but if you use them as a cdn without any afterthought they'd be pissed |
| 10:07.32 | Maldivia | probably |
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| 10:26.09 | Stanzilla | man, this d3 patcher kills my system soo hard |
| 10:30.45 | bluworkcow | lol |
| 10:30.51 | bluworkcow | i have yet to patch yet |
| 10:30.54 | bluworkcow | it up yet ? |
| 10:30.57 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 10:31.10 | bluworkcow | yay! |
| 10:31.16 | Stanzilla | agent.exe ~80% cpu load |
| 10:31.20 | bluworkcow | i shalt be on it as soon as I get homes |
| 10:31.43 | Stanzilla | no idea wtf they are doing there |
| 10:31.45 | bluworkcow | WTB 64 bit bits for D3 !@ |
| 10:35.04 | Maldivia | yeah, the agent/launcher when patching has an insane cpu usage |
| 10:37.10 | Adys | is there a live 64bit client? |
| 10:37.23 | Adys | (for wow) |
| 10:37.41 | Dagmar | Yes. |
| 10:37.45 | Dagmar | It's a bit iffy still. |
| 10:37.58 | Adys | got a link? |
| 10:38.05 | Dagmar | Not offhand. |
| 10:38.17 | Dagmar | It's linked on the forums. Google will probably turn it right up. |
| 10:38.31 | Dagmar | You just download a zip file and drop it's contents in the WoW directory. |
| 10:39.22 | Dagmar | Just remember you have to go to the options on the Launcher to make it run the 32-bit client again if the 64-bit one starts crashing in weird places. |
| 10:40.26 | bluworkcow | tech support forums |
| 10:40.47 | Adys | aight trying it out in wine |
| 10:40.50 | bluworkcow | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3988300405 |
| 10:40.54 | Adys | the world load bug shouldve been fixed |
| 10:40.57 | bluworkcow | oh you found it already ? |
| 10:41.06 | Adys | yea |
| 10:41.19 | bluworkcow | PTR 64 bit client for mac isn't actually 64 bit >_> |
| 10:41.31 | Dagmar | For me it was crashing 9 times out of 14 at the start of Nefarians' end |
| 10:41.37 | Dagmar | Not funny. |
| 10:42.03 | bluworkcow | is for me :P |
| 10:42.14 | Dagmar | You weren't wiping 14 times |
| 10:42.18 | Adys | whats the api to get whether we're 64 or 32bit? |
| 10:42.41 | Dagmar | Do something based on the assuption that ints are 32 bits and wait for the program to segfault. ;) |
| 10:43.03 | bluworkcow | not sure |
| 10:43.28 | Dagmar | Probably a global you can ogle somewhere in there. |
| 10:43.56 | bluworkcow | you could do a exportinterfacefiles for the 32 bit client and do a compare for the 64 bit client |
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| 10:46.35 | Dagmar | ...although Googling around looking for the answer to _that_ question it occurs to me that it might be hateful Windows issues |
| 10:47.04 | Dagmar | I'll bet Win7 was doing something patently stupid because the thing was still in C:\Program Files (x86) |
| 10:49.02 | Dagmar | I'll test that theory tomorrow by stripping naked and just going in there and aggroing the SOB repeatedly |
| 10:49.14 | p3lim | Why is the search function on curse so bad :/ |
| 10:49.16 | bluworkcow | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:49.29 | Dagmar | Oh damnit can't do that... we actually did down the !@#$@ |
| 10:49.35 | bluworkcow | i wonder if /dump Is64BitClient returns anything useful for a 64 bit client |
| 10:49.46 | bluworkcow | might check that when i get home |
| 10:49.54 | bluworkcow | kk i go homes nows |
| 10:50.07 | karl_w_w | i hate when people say something only cost 500g to make cos they used their own mats |
| 10:50.13 | p3lim | bluworkcow: it returns 1 |
| 10:50.24 | Dagmar | karl_w_w: People can't math. |
| 10:50.42 | Dagmar | Of course, I'm using the term "people" somewhat loosely there. |
| 10:51.08 | karl_w_w | wow players |
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| 11:08.37 | airtonix | so apparently |
| 11:08.51 | airtonix | photoshop isn't compatiable with euro dollars |
| 11:11.16 | airtonix | Adys: i was more thinking of it as a storage backend for : 1.sign up as user on django site, 2. user profile model has a way to describe a link to that users dropbox 3. user can then use some drag n drop widgets on page placeholders to drop in images as galleris, or list of downloads of files |
| 11:11.28 | airtonix | Adys: not as the main storage backend |
| 11:11.36 | airtonix | just per user if they choose to |
| 11:12.22 | airtonix | Adys: there is a cmsplugin-flickr that lets you drop in widgets on page placeholders to create gallerys based on flickr tags/groups/sets/userid |
| 11:13.56 | mikma | http://imgur.com/r/pics/6UDp6 |
| 11:15.17 | airtonix | mikma: that's a great screenshot of durotar! |
| 11:16.12 | mikma | sure |
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| 13:03.50 | Fisker | Parnic |
| 13:03.50 | Fisker | fuck 2k |
| 13:04.01 | Fisker | i was banned for discussing what torrent problem i liked |
| 13:04.17 | Fisker | now the new civ 5 expansion has been announced |
| 13:04.26 | Fisker | and there's a guy named adolf hoping that the polish become a new civ |
| 13:04.28 | Fisker | derp |
| 13:04.41 | Fisker | and a guy saying he will download the pirate version |
| 13:04.46 | Fisker | and they don't care about either of them |
| 13:04.56 | Fisker | fuck you for banning me for discussing something completely legit |
| 13:05.03 | Fisker | rages |
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| 13:11.30 | StijnH | Hello. Out of curiosity, why does the dropdown in the Language Options look so bad? Screenshot: http://imgur.com/thcx6 |
| 13:12.42 | Alram | Shitty font |
| 13:13.14 | StijnH | Ah, I thought it had to do with the way the dropdown was set up. |
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| 14:15.04 | bluspacecow | grinding D3 to the hamster dance is a …. unique experience |
| 14:15.06 | bluspacecow | @fisker u mad ? |
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| 14:25.55 | wereHamster | what does a hamster have in common with D3? |
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| 14:32.37 | Fisker | nope bluspacecow |
| 14:32.56 | bluspacecow | @wereHamster maniac energy |
| 14:32.59 | bluspacecow | hmmm |
| 14:33.05 | bluspacecow | rma ah or gold ah ? |
| 14:45.49 | Elkano | they should just fix their BattleTag name checks :( |
| 14:49.05 | bluspacecow | does friending with battle tags work yet ? |
| 14:53.06 | Stanzilla | no |
| 14:57.10 | BlackNet | nothing worse than waking up to the sound of your cat puking in the kitchen, yet i cant find anything that she threw up |
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| 15:30.55 | bluspacecow | http://www.quiterly.com/2578/typical-behavior-of-a-douchebag-cat <---------- fisker cat |
| 15:36.12 | karl_w_w | does Fisker still not have D3 beta? |
| 15:37.28 | bluspacecow | no he has |
| 15:48.39 | karl_w_w | http://www.quiterly.com/2575/and-it-was-worth-it I do not understand what the poster is saying |
| 15:49.05 | karl_w_w | did he build the slide? |
| 15:52.34 | nevcairiel | apparently |
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| 16:58.14 | karl_w_w | http://www.cracked.com/article_18927_6-bizarre-ways-architecture-designed-to-ward-off-ghosts.html |
| 16:58.26 | bluspacecow | *thunk* ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ |
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| 17:01.08 | Kaylin | www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=VoJJOrR4wj8#t=33s |
| 17:01.33 | Kaylin | I'm going to say stun and stealth to myself now when I am playing |
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| 17:26.28 | Fisker | wtf Kaylin |
| 17:26.32 | Fisker | did that guy model paladins on me? |
| 17:26.41 | Kaylin | haha |
| 17:28.38 | Fisker | wanna fuck? |
| 17:29.11 | Kaylin | idk, most people aren't into rogues |
| 17:30.31 | Kaylin | also tbh I'm still messing with telnet and racket |
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| 18:49.59 | Adys | Unsigned Integer Arithmetic API now in JDK 8 |
| 18:50.01 | Adys | Awwww |
| 18:50.03 | Adys | good for you java |
| 18:50.14 | Adys | you're getting grown-up toys! |
| 18:50.24 | nevcairiel | who really needs unsigned |
| 18:50.37 | nevcairiel | i didnt miss it once =p |
| 18:52.08 | Adys | i cant see a situation where i *wouldnt* need unsigned |
| 18:52.11 | Adys | and im a python user |
| 18:53.01 | Fisker | hey nevcairiel |
| 18:56.51 | Shirik | nevcairiel: Let me tell you who |
| 18:57.13 | Shirik | Anyone trying to deal with a serial protocol because the imbiciles who came up with Java decided that the 'byte' type should be from -128 to 127 |
| 18:57.18 | Shirik | like seriously who the fuck does that |
| 18:57.25 | Adys | i know |
| 18:57.32 | Adys | its like everyone involved with java thought |
| 18:57.51 | Adys | "well, nobody's ever gonna need optimized values between 128-255, thats SUCH AN EDGE CASE" |
| 18:58.04 | Adys | honestly |
| 18:58.13 | Shirik | it's not just about optimized, the amount of math I've had to do just to decode protocols in Java is insane |
| 18:58.17 | Adys | what are the odds of you picking a number between 128-255? |
| 18:58.19 | Shirik | because I have to correct for that stupid bit |
| 18:58.39 | Adys | Shirik: it bothers me that postgres doesnt have unsigned |
| 18:58.48 | Adys | and i do so little work with databases |
| 18:58.58 | Adys | i cant even IMAGINE it in a programming environment |
| 18:58.59 | Shirik | you add several lines of code just because Java's all like "oh you're actually subtracting here lolol" |
| 18:59.04 | nevcairiel | Its java, if you think you can write some optimized thing with it, you're just crazy to begin with |
| 18:59.31 | Adys | that mindset is whats wrong with java |
| 18:59.42 | nevcairiel | Lua doesnt even have integers, and i dont see you complain! |
| 18:59.42 | Adys | "well the language is fucked anyway, so lets accept all the bullshit that comes with it" |
| 18:59.50 | Adys | neither does python |
| 19:00.08 | Adys | but java doesnt pretend to abstract numeric types |
| 19:00.31 | Adys | and if it did, those abstractions should NOT be signed by default |
| 19:00.55 | Adys | you dont have bytes in python/lua altogether |
| 19:00.56 | nevcairiel | rather have only signed numbers then only unsigned =p |
| 19:01.23 | mikma | http://imgur.com/gallery/QrWZk |
| 19:01.32 | Adys | nevcairiel: besides the problem isnt about having it in the core |
| 19:01.36 | Adys | its about shipping it |
| 19:01.41 | Adys | python ships it |
| 19:01.48 | Adys | lua i forgive because lua is extremely small |
| 19:02.03 | pompy | lol that UK bus driver was crazy! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSG_XE8Qh60&feature=player_embedded |
| 19:02.29 | Shirik | Lua can't really have a concept of unsigned |
| 19:02.33 | Shirik | since there's no integer type |
| 19:02.48 | nevcairiel | isnt that what i said |
| 19:02.50 | Shirik | but more specifically, Lua does support every value a signed or unsigned long can hold |
| 19:03.15 | Adys | pompy: i biked on that road daily a few months back :/ |
| 19:03.16 | Shirik | nevcairiel: That was really directed at Adys, I didn't see your comment |
| 19:03.28 | Adys | Shirik: well yeah |
| 19:03.41 | Adys | my point is |
| 19:03.51 | Adys | if you have a Numeric type, you're not part of the conversation |
| 19:04.17 | nevcairiel | you mean like java.lang.Number? :d |
| 19:05.27 | Shirik | is this where I get to yell at Java for its stupid "boxed types"? |
| 19:05.37 | Shirik | in b4 "but that's the only way we could do generics!" |
| 19:05.50 | Shirik | also java doesn't have generics it has hacks |
| 19:08.01 | Shirik | I like how I killed the conversation with the generics comment. It seems we are all in agreement on that point. |
| 19:08.22 | nevcairiel | btw, boxed types existed since java 1.0, way before generics ^ |
| 19:08.43 | Shirik | not the point |
| 19:08.54 | Shirik | there is only one thing I ever liked about Java |
| 19:08.55 | Shirik | ok 2 |
| 19:08.57 | nevcairiel | your argument fails though |
| 19:09.02 | Shirik | and only one is actually java |
| 19:09.04 | Maldivia | generics is only source-level in Java, yeah... and still a hack :) |
| 19:09.25 | Fisker | hello Shirik |
| 19:09.26 | Shirik | java has pretty good mechanisms for dealing with multithreading at a language level |
| 19:09.28 | Fisker | waves |
| 19:09.42 | nevcairiel | rather have generics then not having generics, though. Of course there can always be better solutions, but Java 1.4 wasnt any better =p |
| 19:09.49 | Shirik | and the second one is that it's the only language I've seen so far that can adequately support aspect-oriented programming |
| 19:09.52 | Maldivia | Shirik: you mean synchronization and volatile? |
| 19:10.03 | Shirik | nevcairiel: Why not do what everyone did before 1.4? Just make everything Object. I mean that's what the compiler does anyway. |
| 19:10.20 | Shirik | s/only language/only good language/ |
| 19:10.27 | Shirik | for some definition of "good" |
| 19:10.32 | Shirik | maybe the appropriate word is "mainstream" |
| 19:10.57 | Shirik | Maldivia: Sure, but also built-in types like ReadWriteLock and such |
| 19:11.14 | nevcairiel | at least generics give you compile-time checks, which is worth something |
| 19:11.29 | nevcairiel | not much, but something =p |
| 19:11.34 | Maldivia | Shirik: that's not language level, that's framework |
| 19:11.54 | Shirik | is it not part of the JLS? |
| 19:12.45 | Maldivia | ehh, no - only the syntax is |
| 19:13.17 | Maldivia | or well, primitives, Object, String, syntax/grammar, etc |
| 19:13.43 | nevcairiel | At least the VM seems to be good, considering how many languages jumped onto it |
| 19:13.54 | Maldivia | but... Thread and ThreadGroup is part of the JLS |
| 19:14.09 | Shirik | which is more than can be said of most other languages |
| 19:14.29 | Shirik | wait and notify are part of the JLS |
| 19:15.13 | Maldivia | they are a part of Object, so yeah |
| 19:15.36 | Shirik | speaking of which, I also hate this concept of "Object" |
| 19:15.56 | Maldivia | ehh... how sp? |
| 19:15.57 | Shirik | but I have never felt that Java does OO correctly |
| 19:15.58 | Maldivia | so* |
| 19:16.47 | Fisker | why do you hate me Shirik ? |
| 19:17.32 | Shirik | by having a common base class you imply a degree of coupling that is simply not there, and furthermore, you force an interface which may not really meant to be followed at all; that is, there may be no meaning to waiting on a particular object, or getting its hash code |
| 19:18.10 | Shirik | It is the same problem with the common example of Square being derived from Rectangle |
| 19:18.15 | Shirik | which is also a broken relationship |
| 19:18.59 | Shirik | Full disclosure: I come from the school of Stroustrup and he has written a lot on this particular topic, which I tend to agree with, however one could argue he is quite biased |
| 19:19.23 | Maldivia | just a bit ? :) |
| 19:19.47 | Shirik | but let me point out an example |
| 19:20.04 | Shirik | there is a particular class in the Java API which specifically, in its documentation, says it violates the specification of its interface |
| 19:20.13 | Shirik | that is just how broken the creators of Java are |
| 19:20.24 | Shirik | that should never be true |
| 19:21.36 | Fisker | Shirik hates a Fisker |
| 19:21.37 | Shirik | oh my favorite one is where implementers of interfaces start throwing UnsupportedOperationException |
| 19:21.39 | Adys | nevcairiel: no, not like java.lang.Number |
| 19:21.40 | Fisker | but Fisker doesn't hate a Shirik |
| 19:21.43 | Adys | but more like "1" |
| 19:21.47 | Adys | as in python |
| 19:21.48 | Adys | or "1" |
| 19:21.50 | Adys | as in lua |
| 19:22.12 | Adys | in python, I don't do from math import Number; Number(1) |
| 19:22.12 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
| 19:22.17 | Shirik | showertime |
| 19:22.41 | Fisker | joins |
| 19:24.18 | Maldivia | Shirik: I agree that some of the interfaces in java should have probably been split up into two, for instance the collection API, have for instance List only define read-only methods, and the have another interface that extends List that defines the write methods |
| 19:24.56 | Fisker | holy fuck pompy |
| 19:24.56 | Fisker | hemad |
| 19:26.49 | pompy | he sure was |
| 19:26.59 | pompy | got 17 months lol |
| 19:39.25 | pompy | http://asciibabes.com/carmen-electra-06.php |
| 19:53.06 | nevcairiel | there are tools to create those, its no magic. :p |
| 19:55.31 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:03.46 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 20:04.23 | Fisker | should be denied a license to drive forever pompy |
| 20:04.34 | Fisker | and probably a couple of years on a mental institution |
| 20:06.13 | Iriel | Java benefited and suffered from the prohibition on multiple inheritance |
| 20:06.38 | Iriel | It's my opinion that led to things like the UnsupportedOperationException idiom |
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| 20:07.47 | Iriel | On the other hand, it helped it not become C++ |
| 20:09.40 | Fisker | hey Iriel |
| 20:09.54 | Iriel | Hi Fisker!!!!! |
| 20:10.13 | Iriel | What a shocking suprise to see you here! |
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| 20:13.28 | Fisker | indeed? |
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| 20:17.22 | Fisker | Maldivia |
| 20:17.27 | Fisker | why u ruin diablo 3? |
| 20:17.43 | Maldivia | because I can! |
| 20:17.59 | Fisker | :( |
| 20:18.03 | Fisker | i wanna play my wizard |
| 20:19.04 | Fisker | what can a Fisker do ? |
| 20:19.20 | Iriel | What's wrong with D3 and your wizard? |
| 20:19.28 | Iriel | (other than, perhaps, the latest wipe_ |
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| 20:51.13 | nevcairiel | todays gilbert somehow reminds of a fruity company.. :d |
| 20:51.43 | nevcairiel | dilbert* |
| 20:51.46 | nevcairiel | odd typo |
| 20:55.15 | durcyn | scott adams is a despicable human being, i wouldn't read his comic if you paid me |
| 20:56.19 | Fisker | omg Maldivia |
| 20:56.22 | Fisker | major plot twist |
| 20:56.29 | Fisker | one of the vendors in D3 are gone after skeleton king |
| 20:56.41 | Fisker | wouldn't have noticed that if it wasn't for the removal of cauldron of jordan :( |
| 20:57.09 | Xyphoid | durcyn: oh yeah. i can't tell yet if it's a Heinlein-style case of brain eater, or if he was always vile and just didn't talk about it |
| 20:57.46 | durcyn | Xyphoid: i just assume people like that are mormon and it all makes sense |
| 20:58.12 | Maldivia | Fisker: the miner? yeah, he disappears sometimes |
| 20:58.21 | Fisker | major plottwist |
| 20:58.23 | Fisker | maybe he is diablo |
| 20:59.01 | Fisker | very weird, but bottom line is poor service and I feel not getting fart value |
| 20:59.04 | Fisker | i hate fart value |
| 21:02.29 | Arrowmaster | Fisker: what vendor? |
| 21:03.03 | Arrowmaster | i didnt notice that at all in patch 12 |
| 21:03.18 | Maldivia | the one next to the healer |
| 21:03.59 | Arrowmaster | he was definitely there after killing SK in patch 12 |
| 21:04.26 | Maldivia | well, for me, he was there after killing SK on at least one of my chars |
| 21:05.02 | Arrowmaster | for me on all, because i would TP after killing SK and sell/salvage my stuff and always used him |
| 21:05.20 | Arrowmaster | i just logged into patch 13 |
| 21:05.21 | Maldivia | also after p13? |
| 21:05.29 | alestane | http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2011-12-23/ amuses me. |
| 21:05.30 | Cairenn | win: failblog.org/2012/02/18/epic-win-photos-win-cd-fragment-sculpture-win/ |
| 21:06.19 | Arrowmaster | ah names are limited to 12 characters so i cant name a new female wizard TittySprinkles |
| 21:06.41 | alestane | That's pretty amazing, Cairenn. |
| 21:07.21 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn: my guess it is the voracious dire AOL eagle |
| 21:08.44 | Arrowmaster | anybody thats playing diablo3 right now add Arrowmaster#1248 |
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| 21:09.37 | Maldivia | well, can' |
| 21:09.45 | Maldivia | t login right now, so I'm not :P |
| 21:11.12 | Cairenn | alestane: yeah, it is |
| 21:11.17 | Cairenn | Thunder_Child: heh |
| 21:16.00 | Iriel | Arrowmaster: Was the idea you'd acept the friend invites, or just collect them for a future rainy day? |
| 21:16.09 | Arrowmaster | accept them |
| 21:16.30 | Arrowmaster | why is there no popup or anything when somebody sends one |
| 21:17.06 | Arrowmaster | [] has come online. |
| 21:17.11 | Arrowmaster | well thanks blizzard |
| 21:17.16 | Arrowmaster | thats quite useful to know |
| 21:17.24 | Maldivia | yeah, names are a bit fubar right now |
| 21:17.30 | Stanzilla | for me, adding people via battletag just error'd out |
| 21:17.54 | Fisker | wut |
| 21:17.59 | Fisker | now it says i need a battletag |
| 21:18.09 | Iriel | Stanzilla: It did that to me the first time, but retrying worked |
| 21:18.21 | Maldivia | Fisker: yeah, did for me as well, waited a few minutes, then I could log on |
| 21:18.21 | Arrowmaster | well now ive got Iriel on my friends list and a friend invite from Iriel i cant get rid of |
| 21:18.44 | Stanzilla | Iriel: uh ok, I tried 4 times or so |
| 21:18.52 | Fisker | ffriend me Stanzilla |
| 21:18.56 | Maldivia | the battle tags are a bit fubar right now - mine isn't showing in game |
| 21:18.59 | Fisker | with a double f |
| 21:19.21 | Stanzilla | Fisker: realid or bff-tag? |
| 21:19.21 | Maldivia | ( but if anyone is interested, it's Maldivia#1397 ) |
| 21:19.42 | Fisker | realid |
| 21:19.58 | Fisker | then i can stalk you if you ever go on wow ptr |
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| 21:21.11 | Stanzilla | mighty important |
| 21:21.13 | Stanzilla | and I added you |
| 21:27.03 | foxlit | Hm, do you know any addons that provide LDB launchers for micromenu items (spellbook, talents, etc)? |
| 21:29.28 | Fisker | can't D3 Stanzilla :( |
| 21:29.33 | Stanzilla | :( |
| 21:30.22 | Stanzilla | Fisker: so you can't accept? |
| 21:30.26 | Fisker | not yet |
| 21:30.33 | Fisker | and Sixen is a jerk |
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| 21:43.08 | Sixen | nou |
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| 21:49.03 | Torhal | foxlit: http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/broker_micromenue |
| 21:57.10 | Kaylin | sixen |
| 21:57.13 | Kaylin | nnnnnnn |
| 21:57.16 | Kaylin | noutoo |
| 21:58.14 | pompy | http://www.facebook.com/ApSci/posts/10150671962870605 |
| 22:01.51 | Sixen | =o |
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| 23:17.27 | Sintacks | holy shit. an xperl update. first in 3 months |
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| 23:22.24 | Fisker | wanna be friends Sixen ? |
| 23:25.31 | Sixen | mebe |
| 23:26.25 | Kaylin | Oh, so sixen gets to be friends but I just get solicited for sex, I see how it is. |
| 23:28.32 | *** part/#wowuidev alestane (~alestane@c-50-136-37-91.hsd1.nh.comcast.net) |
| 23:29.08 | Sintacks | Kaylin, i'll be your friend. |
| 23:29.13 | Sintacks | if you give me hawt kinky secks |
| 23:29.23 | Maldivia | so, friends with benefits? |
| 23:29.31 | Sintacks | if that's what you wanna call it |
| 23:30.10 | Fisker | a |
| 23:31.39 | Kaylin | left the room (quit: they'll totally fall for this). |
| 23:31.47 | Sintacks | or not |
| 23:31.58 | Sintacks | for one, quits don't have .'s at the end |
| 23:31.58 | Kaylin | :( |
| 23:32.01 | Sintacks | for two, custom theme |
| 23:32.09 | Kaylin | mine do! |
| 23:32.22 | Sintacks | |06:28:16 pm| [Part] + alestane » [~alestane@c-50-136-37-91.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] |
| 23:32.27 | Sintacks | that's what a part looks like for me |
| 23:32.28 | Kaylin | (3:29:00 PM) stolenlegacy left the room (quit: Read error: Connection reset by peer). |
| 23:32.37 | Sintacks | |06:28:44 pm| [Quit] stolenlegacy » [stolenlega@unaffiliated/stolenlegacy] |
| 23:32.37 | Sintacks | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:32.40 | Sintacks | that's what a quit looks like |
| 23:32.51 | Kaylin | pidgin lies to me |
| 23:32.54 | Kaylin | :( |
| 23:33.11 | Sintacks | hm. maybe there is a . at the end. |
| 23:33.16 | Sintacks | i haven't used default in so long |
| 23:35.12 | Thunder_Child | pidgin was not flexible enough for me |
| 23:35.14 | Maldivia | and I simply filter out join/part/quit spam :P |
| 23:35.39 | Thunder_Child | Maldivia: then you have to tab/scroll to see who is here or not |
| 23:35.55 | Thunder_Child | you do not seem to understand this 'lazyness' idea |
| 23:37.11 | Maldivia | so you're saying you keep an internal (as in in your head) list up to date at all time who's in the channel, based on the join/part messages |
| 23:37.39 | Maldivia | that seems like more work than a simple tab test |
| 23:37.50 | Sixen | lol |
| 23:38.22 | Thunder_Child | Maldivia: of people that i actually want to talk to |
| 23:38.40 | Maldivia | well, that would be an empty list then |
| 23:39.12 | Maldivia | :P |
| 23:39.20 | Thunder_Child | I was going to argue.....but i can't |
| 23:41.18 | Sintacks | i want a tablet so i can drawfag |
| 23:41.36 | Thunder_Child | how good? very few are wacom worthy |
| 23:41.37 | Maldivia | so you can what? |
| 23:41.39 | Torhal | hands Sintacks a mirror. |
| 23:41.45 | Torhal | goes back to watching TV. |
| 23:42.05 | Sintacks | Maldivia, what if you are talking to someone, and they ping out and don't come back |
| 23:42.12 | Sintacks | how long until you notice from the lack of reply |
| 23:42.26 | Thunder_Child | Maldivia will just assume they /ignored him |
| 23:42.32 | Sintacks | lol |
| 23:42.49 | Sintacks | also, so i can draw random shit |
| 23:43.26 | Maldivia | Sintacks: well, my filter is smart, if I have a query open with them, their quit is shown, or if I've communicated with them within the last 10 minutes, their quit will also show |
| 23:44.13 | Thunder_Child | does it have to be both ways, or just one way? |
| 23:44.24 | Thunder_Child | eg. if i ping you and quit will it show |
| 23:44.31 | Maldivia | it will show |
| 23:44.41 | Sintacks | that's still weird |
| 23:44.43 | Sintacks | but interesting |
| 23:45.06 | Sintacks | okay, what if you want to talk to someone who isn't in the channel, so you're waiting for them to join: how do you know when they join |
| 23:45.41 | Maldivia | then I disable the filter ? |
| 23:45.50 | Thunder_Child | heh, interestingly pidgon has that feature by default |
| 23:45.51 | Sintacks | ... |
| 23:45.53 | Sintacks | slaps Maldivia around a bit with a large trout | 4,029 tributes to Monty Python |
| 23:46.04 | Thunder_Child | pidgin* |
| 23:46.43 | Maldivia | have a key-combo to enable/disable the filter, and all filtered lines are shown/hidden (in the right place etc) |
| 23:48.21 | Maldivia | Sintacks: but in a situation like that, I probably wouldn't sit and monitor the channel, I would probably just periodically check if the person was on/active |
| 23:48.32 | Thunder_Child | or botmail |
| 23:48.58 | Maldivia | that could be an option as well |
