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| 00:15.07 | Asyx | hi |
| 00:22.29 | Sintacks | i really need to do my 25 man poweraurs for my druid and priest ;| |
| 00:23.37 | Gnarfoz | ~seen tuller |
| 00:23.44 | purl | tuller <~Tuller@c-68-55-177-95.hsd1.va.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 48d 22h 10m 52s ago, saying: 'waffleironpowertrip'. |
| 00:24.43 | Stanzilla | Sintacks: you really need to replace powerauras with weakauras |
| 00:27.00 | Sintacks | no i don't |
| 00:28.07 | Dark_Elf | ~seen Jaliborc |
| 00:28.08 | purl | i haven't seen 'jaliborc', Dark_Elf |
| 00:28.14 | Gnarfoz | you probably do, weren't you talking about performance problems :D |
| 00:30.44 | Sintacks | power auras isn't even in my top 15 most CPU using addons |
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| 01:17.23 | kd3 | ick. haven't had a random system freeze like that in some time |
| 01:17.27 | kd3 | ponders |
| 01:21.13 | Gnarfoz | it's always the RAM |
| 01:33.35 | TC-Work | "Under SOPA, you could get up to 5 years in jail for uploading a Michael Jackson video....This is one year more than Michael Jackson's doctor got." |
| 01:35.09 | Corrodias | speaking of computers, time to figure out if my hard drive is vibrating and prepare for an RMA if so |
| 01:39.08 | Azelphur | hard drives usually do vibrate? they have a 5200+RPM spinning platter inside them? |
| 01:39.57 | Corrodias | they don't vibrate much |
| 01:40.08 | Corrodias | this one is making my case buzz, definitely atypical |
| 01:40.28 | Corrodias | pretty damn sure it didn't do that before i restarted the system earlier in the week |
| 01:40.31 | Azelphur | fun |
| 01:42.07 | Corrodias | yeah. most likely i'll wind up getting a (refurbished) replacement under warranty and zapping it with a drive clone utility. |
| 01:43.25 | BlackNet | what you using to clone |
| 01:45.41 | Corrodias | western digital has an Acronis tool for it, apparently, so i'll try that |
| 01:45.58 | Dagmar | dd will generally work just fine, although it's slow unless you hand it a decent set of parameters. |
| 01:46.32 | Dagmar | ...and hard drives *do* actually vibrate a bit, but if you can hear it easily outside the case it's probably a problem that will shorten the life of the hardware. |
| 01:47.03 | Dagmar | Rubber grommets help remarkably with that, because those vibrations shake the case, and the walls of the case merrily amplify that vibration like the inside of an acoustic guitar. |
| 01:47.18 | Corrodias | yeah, it's resonating |
| 01:47.53 | Corrodias | the drive isn't vibrating -hugely-, but it's more than is normal, it didn't do it before, and i know even loud noises can make drive performance skip a beat |
| 01:48.22 | Dagmar | Well, considering how many disks now actively try to make less noise, definitely |
| 01:48.38 | Dagmar | They think they're what's making the loud noise and spin down if they have that feature |
| 01:50.19 | Corrodias | perhaps. i'm not certain about the mechanics. but i do recall this demonstration: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDacjrSCeq4 |
| 01:50.36 | Dagmar | Yeah the aussie yelling at his array. That was hilarious. |
| 01:51.08 | Dagmar | The only thing that could have made it better is if he had been hurling insults at the drives, telling them they were slow and stupid. Heh |
| 01:51.14 | Arrowmaster | i thought that loud noises cause performance to drop was only with enterprise arrays in constant use |
| 01:51.57 | Corrodias | probably. i assume it's not healthy for platters to be oscillating constantly at 7200rpm on bad bearings, though. |
| 01:52.07 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: With the way arrays are used, it only takes one of the bunch slowing down to make the rest slow down |
| 01:52.16 | Arrowmaster | right |
| 01:52.33 | Dagmar | At least we no longer have to wire them together so they sync their spindles. |
| 01:52.36 | Arrowmaster | and that those high end drives have vibration sensors and stuff |
| 01:52.45 | Arrowmaster | wait what? |
| 01:53.08 | Dagmar | I'm talking about SCSI drives from about 15 years ago |
| 01:53.20 | Arrowmaster | ok never touched SCSI |
| 01:53.28 | Dagmar | That's probably for the best. Heh |
| 01:53.43 | Arrowmaster | yeah i dont think i would have a good enough supply of goats |
| 01:53.54 | Dagmar | You never had to deal with the tender mercies of a poorly-connected bus terminator |
| 01:54.41 | Dagmar | ...although there were some entertainingly insane uses for that, like connecting two controllers together for communication between hosts. |
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| 02:00.23 | Arrowmaster | kd3: http://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/omdq8/ok_ranime_my_girlfriend_has_given_me_2_episodes/c3idtlq |
| 02:01.16 | kd3 | yes |
| 02:01.29 | Arrowmaster | i upvoted |
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| 02:20.30 | Arrowmaster | Antiarc: took you long enough |
| 02:20.42 | Antiarc | Arrowmaster: I use Facebook literally like twice per year |
| 02:20.48 | Antiarc | I use G+ a lot though, if you use it. |
| 02:20.53 | Arrowmaster | i rarely check it too |
| 02:21.31 | Antiarc | MC Hammer tweeted an article I wrote today |
| 02:21.35 | Arrowmaster | ive already got you on G+ |
| 02:21.38 | Antiarc | I am insanely amused. |
| 02:21.58 | Corrodias | ahuh. |
| 02:22.17 | adys`nosopa | Antiarc: seriously, whats with all the followers on g+? |
| 02:22.22 | Gnarfoz | can't tweet this |
| 02:22.40 | Antiarc | adys`nosopa: I work for Mashable, and I've had a couple of anti-SOPA pieces go really big. Combined I tend to get a lot of visibility. |
| 02:22.58 | Gnarfoz | in other words, you're e-famous now! |
| 02:23.04 | Adys | mashable? |
| 02:23.09 | Gnarfoz | potatoes! |
| 02:23.19 | Adys | oh yeah |
| 02:23.29 | Antiarc | Mashable's a digital culture blog/magazine, second largest on the interwebs these days behind huffington post. |
| 02:23.30 | Adys | Antiarc: hey, get openid logins working on mashable. :( |
| 02:23.42 | Adys | yeah i never remembered the name |
| 02:23.57 | Antiarc | They're in. But management wanted to keep logins restricted to social networks :/ |
| 02:24.05 | Antiarc | But I'm adding LinkedIn as an auth provider shortly. |
| 02:24.15 | Adys | then tell management that g+ is a social network so they should allow logins with google at least |
| 02:24.16 | Antiarc | (It's actually already in, there's just no UI for it) |
| 02:24.29 | Adys | hell you have a g+ widget on the homepage :P |
| 02:24.30 | Antiarc | The plan's to do that. Google's OAuth implementation is wonky. |
| 02:24.38 | Adys | oauth? |
| 02:24.42 | Adys | i thought it'd be openif for this |
| 02:24.45 | Adys | openid |
| 02:25.10 | Antiarc | Nah, OAuth's kind of become the defacto authentication scheme for most of this sort of stuff |
| 02:25.17 | Antiarc | Google provides openid, but their oauth stuff is more supportred |
| 02:25.21 | Antiarc | (but it's still wonky) |
| 02:25.40 | Adys | i really dont get the difference between the two anymore |
| 02:25.53 | Antiarc | They're often conflated |
| 02:25.56 | Adys | oauth was supposed to be for permissions, or so i thought |
| 02:25.58 | Antiarc | by both ends of the transaction |
| 02:26.16 | Antiarc | Yeah, but doing an openid -> oauth -> okay, now you're in cycle was too much friction |
| 02:26.32 | Antiarc | So a single combined authorize/authenticate workflow through oauth has become more or less standard |
| 02:26.38 | Antiarc | People use it much more easily |
| 02:27.17 | Adys | doesnt that make openid redundant? (which was, iirc, the exact opposite of oauth's goal) |
| 02:27.25 | Antiarc | yes, more or less |
| 02:27.43 | Antiarc | OAuth2 combines the authenticate and authorize concepts, and it's nice and easy to use, which is nice. |
| 02:27.49 | Antiarc | Far easier than openid or oauth |
| 02:27.57 | Antiarc | More complex to implement provider-side though |
| 02:28.03 | Adys | also how can you call google's oauth wonky, didn't they develop like half of it? :P |
| 02:28.04 | Antiarc | But it's so much easier as a consuming client |
| 02:28.19 | Antiarc | Google's oauth is wonky because it's strictly spec-complaint, including the irritating bits |
| 02:28.30 | Antiarc | Whereas most other popular oauth provides fudge the spec to work around the annoying things. |
| 02:28.36 | Antiarc | So it's just more work to be fully spec-compliant. |
| 02:28.39 | Adys | lol |
| 02:29.10 | Adys | btw, question; if a site has facebook logins implemented, how easy is it to implement google auth? |
| 02:29.40 | Antiarc | They aren't related. Google auth is oauth2, Facebook is oauth2 |
| 02:29.43 | Antiarc | Totally different procedures. |
| 02:29.51 | Antiarc | Though you have to have some common delegated auth framework, which you can share. |
| 02:29.53 | Adys | uh |
| 02:29.54 | Antiarc | Err |
| 02:29.56 | Antiarc | Google is oauth |
| 02:29.58 | Antiarc | FB is oauth2 |
| 02:29.59 | Antiarc | Sorry |
| 02:30.11 | Adys | google has oauth2 doesnt it? |
| 02:30.17 | Antiarc | Not for G+, last I looked |
| 02:30.21 | Antiarc | Though they might've added it since |
| 02:30.31 | Adys | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OAuth |
| 02:30.41 | Adys | Google // OAuth protocol 2.0 |
| 02:30.55 | Adys | i even remember reading the blog posts about it a few months back |
| 02:31.43 | Antiarc | I'll check it out |
| 02:31.52 | Antiarc | In general, my workload is about 6x my actual time available |
| 02:31.59 | Antiarc | And I'm working 80+ hour weeks on average :P |
| 02:33.08 | Adys | Antiarc: also, say i want to implement authentication for something such as a bug tracker, whats the better choice, openid or oauth? |
| 02:33.27 | Antiarc | OpenID is rife with abuse, is the biggest problem |
| 02:33.39 | Antiarc | There are "rogue" OpenID providers that'll auth anything thrown at them |
| 02:33.41 | Antiarc | Which opens you to spam. |
| 02:33.58 | Antiarc | OAuth against Twitter/FB/Google puts their anti-spam measures in front of your login as a first-line guard, which is nice. |
| 02:34.46 | Adys | how easy is it to add a provider under the same protocol? |
| 02:34.53 | Adys | (eg is it just "add a link and an icon") |
| 02:35.23 | Antiarc | You go to the provider, register your app, get a oauth token + secret, then need to know their oauth endpoints |
| 02:36.00 | Adys | for a bugtracker, that means everyone deploying the app has to register it again? |
| 02:36.04 | Antiarc | There are libraries that wrap it up in common patterns, though. Like, in Rails, there's Devise, which ships with a bunch of pre-baked Oauth interfaces, so you just tell it "I want to enable Facebook logins, here's my oauth secret" and it does the rest |
| 02:36.24 | Antiarc | Mm. If it's something that you're providing to others to install on their own, then yeah, likely. |
| 02:36.35 | Antiarc | OpenID might be the better choice in a circumstance like that |
| 02:36.46 | Antiarc | Just be aware that openid is a lot more abusable. |
| 02:36.54 | Antiarc | And spam is a classic problem for bug trackers. |
| 02:37.37 | Adys | is it possible to know the openid provider when someone registers through openid? |
| 02:37.57 | Adys | because its easy enough to say "trust this, this and that provider; for the rest, authenticate the email address" |
| 02:39.31 | Antiarc | Yeah, I think so. I haven't done an openid implementation in a while, though.; |
| 02:39.55 | Antiarc | It may be possible for the rogue end to fake it. I don't quite remember the openid auth cycle. |
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| 02:40.22 | Antiarc | The idea behind openid is that the registering site doesn't care who the person is, just that they say who they are who they say thery are |
| 02:40.28 | Antiarc | Which is confirmed by the authenticating site |
| 02:41.05 | Adys | yeah; i like that openid leaves the choice of authenticator up to the user, in the end thats a *lot* better |
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| 02:41.43 | Antiarc | I like it in theory, but as I mentioned, that leaves it open for abuse |
| 02:41.49 | Antiarc | If you're okay with handling that, openid is great |
| 02:42.05 | Adys | oauth is just as open for abuse tbh |
| 02:42.08 | Adys | i mean |
| 02:42.19 | Adys | its not as easy, but its very easy to open a throwaway twitter acct |
| 02:42.37 | Antiarc | But then you can look at the data from Twitter (which you can trust) which says "This account was created 5 minutes ago" |
| 02:42.54 | Antiarc | So you can flag it as a potential throwaway for review or less leniency in moderation or whatever |
| 02:43.26 | Adys | thats down to the same thing as checking openid providers (if its possible) |
| 02:43.44 | Adys | are fb/twitter openid providers btw? |
| 02:44.04 | Antiarc | I don't think so |
| 02:44.09 | Antiarc | Yahoo and Google are the big ones |
| 02:46.06 | Adys | btw Antiarc, i believe google supports both oauth1 and oauth2 |
| 02:46.23 | Antiarc | If that's so it'd make me happy |
| 02:46.33 | Adys | well |
| 02:47.02 | Adys | i know for a fact they support oauth2, and i also know they supported oauth1 and are not the kind to quickly remove deprecated apis |
| 02:47.03 | Jamash | just set up DD-WRT on his old router to act as a wireless bridge from his living room to his xbox 360 |
| 02:47.27 | Antiarc | Jamash: Haha, I did the same thing |
| 02:47.29 | Antiarc | Except I used tomato |
| 02:47.47 | Jamash | no tomato for this rev of WRT-54G |
| 02:48.01 | Adys | If a client application sends a request to an erroneous address ("mail.exmple.org" instead of "mail.example.org"), the rogue server at "mail.exmple.com" now has the client access token and can access its mail. Of course, in the case of browsers, the browser developer is responsible for not leaking cookies by implementing the same origin policy. OAuth 2.0 client developers will share the same responsibility. |
| 02:48.04 | Adys | "wtf" |
| 02:48.31 | Adys | thats like complaining password are bad because browsers might end up sending them to the wrong address |
| 02:48.35 | Adys | also, passwords are bad |
| 02:48.39 | Adys | but more on that later |
| 02:49.03 | starlon | spanks that password. |
| 02:49.05 | Jamash | let me know when there's adequate public key infrastructure so I can stop using passwords |
| 02:49.31 | Adys | see thats exactly what i mean |
| 02:49.36 | Iriel | Public keys dont replace passwords on their own. |
| 02:49.42 | Iriel | what happens when someone steals your laptop |
| 02:49.44 | starlon | my eyes |
| 02:49.54 | Jamash | you need a password on your private key :P |
| 02:50.03 | Iriel | exactly. |
| 02:50.12 | Jamash | but that password is never transmitted over the internets |
| 02:50.15 | Adys | Iriel: if someone steals my computer, they have access to all my browser passwords |
| 02:50.22 | Adys | thats no better |
| 02:50.30 | Iriel | You're reminding me of an entry in a security policy I was handed that said "All passwords used by applications must be encrypted" |
| 02:50.32 | Jamash | not mine! I use an encrypted password manager |
| 02:50.36 | Iriel | Adys: only because you stored your passwords |
| 02:50.46 | Jamash | keepass2 is cool |
| 02:50.50 | Antiarc | I use LastPass for that |
| 02:50.55 | Jamash | as long as you set it up properly |
| 02:51.37 | Arrowmaster | even if its encrypted, they have it locally now and can attempt to bruteforce it |
| 02:51.53 | Adys | Iriel: pubkeys are not the end of all trouble,but Jamash is exactly right. the fact the other end never receives something they could use against you |
| 02:52.01 | Adys | the fact is* |
| 02:52.30 | Jamash | Good luck bruteforcing ******************************* |
| 02:52.39 | Antiarc | hunter2hunter2hunter2 |
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| 02:53.04 | Arrowmaster | purchase some amazon cloud time and have it cracked in a few hours |
| 02:53.08 | Adys | i made a script that generates my passwords on sites that support non-password auth |
| 02:53.23 | Adys | very cute |
| 02:54.02 | Jamash | something like 64^32 ~= 6.277 * 10^57 |
| 02:54.12 | Iriel | Adys: That's also true if you just use https |
| 02:54.21 | Adys | Iriel: huh? no |
| 02:54.42 | Jamash | transmitting a password over https is still transmitting a password |
| 02:54.43 | Adys | Iriel: https or not, the end site receives your password when you have it in a password input field |
| 02:54.53 | Jamash | and then database leakage go |
| 02:54.57 | Adys | exactly |
| 02:55.05 | Jamash | you're just trusting them to salt and hash it properly |
| 02:55.07 | Iriel | Ah, ok, I see what you meant. |
| 02:55.10 | Adys | no matter how secure the authentication is, theres no telling how secure the storage is |
| 02:55.36 | kd3 | generally assumes "not at all" |
| 02:55.37 | Adys | i love clicking "forgot password" and receiving it PLAINTEXT in my email |
| 02:55.46 | Jamash | it could be 64 bits of salt and SHA-512 or they could be storing in in a text file in the root folder of their web space |
| 02:55.57 | Jamash | which do you think is more common |
| 02:56.06 | Adys | but this is exactly why i kept pushing openid/oauth; if sites stop implementing stupid password authentication, and leave that bit up to actual authentication providers, you don't need to ever trust sites you likely havent spent a lot of time on (especially if you're registering) |
| 02:56.25 | Adys | you trust an authentication provider to authenticate you, not some random site |
| 02:56.35 | Jamash | and then when your openid password gets keylogged you lose all your accounts at once! Very convenient |
| 02:56.36 | Iriel | I guess arguably openID + HTTPS solves is an already-here PKI solution |
| 02:56.49 | Adys | theres no need for https Iriel |
| 02:56.57 | Iriel | yes there is |
| 02:57.03 | Adys | on the provider's end |
| 02:57.07 | Jamash | well if you consider TLS certificates to be secure then yeah |
| 02:57.10 | Iriel | so the server can verify the provider is who they say they are |
| 02:57.15 | Jamash | except as we have seen of late... |
| 02:57.26 | Arrowmaster | with oauth2 does the site have to add support for each site that can provide auth or does it work like openid? |
| 02:57.46 | Adys | Arrowmaster: as Antiarc said, the site has to register a token |
| 02:57.46 | Iriel | OAuth and OpenID are solving somewhat different problems |
| 02:58.30 | Arrowmaster | yeah i prefer the system where i can run my own auth server and use it everywhere, but openid2 is rather broken in some areas |
| 02:59.04 | Adys | the way i see it, oauth is fine for small sites and the like; openid (or openid+oauth) is more fit for widely deployed applications (blogs, etc) |
| 02:59.52 | Jamash | I want a chip in my hand |
| 03:00.05 | Jamash | especially if it can let me control my tv with my mind |
| 03:00.25 | Jamash | actually I want to abandon physical instrumentality but that's still a ways off |
| 03:00.39 | Azelphur | I was quite interested in that open sesame thing google deployed recently, click login -> scan qr code with your phone -> your auth'd |
| 03:00.44 | Azelphur | but they ditched it for some reason :( |
| 03:00.52 | Adys | Iriel: as for https+openid i disagree; its completely up to you (the application) to *trust* an identification, you are not liable for that |
| 03:00.54 | Jamash | an interesting concept |
| 03:01.05 | Jamash | although there's over-the-shoulder issues with that |
| 03:01.13 | Adys | Iriel: if the user gets screwed during openid authentication, its the user's fault for using a bad openid provider |
| 03:01.17 | Azelphur | Jamash: nah there's not? |
| 03:01.31 | Jamash | Azelphur: how so |
| 03:01.44 | Jamash | someone points their phone at your QR code? |
| 03:01.44 | Arrowmaster | Azelphur: it just went up a day or two again, are you saying its been removed already? |
| 03:02.01 | Azelphur | Arrowmaster: it was only up for a short time, and I think they killed it now |
| 03:02.12 | Azelphur | Jamash: someone points their phone at your login QR code, they just login as themselves |
| 03:02.15 | Adys | Iriel: i want to be able to use google as my provider because i *know* i can trust my identification and my authentication on Google. if i want to, i can enable 2-factor auth, i have sms recovery, multiple identities and so on |
| 03:02.23 | Jamash | oh the mobile device has to be logged in to your google account already |
| 03:02.26 | Jamash | I get it |
| 03:02.28 | Azelphur | Jamash: yep :P |
| 03:02.35 | Jamash | cool beans |
| 03:02.41 | Adys | Iriel: having that sort of power over *every site* that simply support a bit of openid/oauth code is wonderful |
| 03:02.47 | Arrowmaster | the qr code just has a url and a session token in it |
| 03:03.07 | Adys | Azelphur: they ditched it? |
| 03:03.16 | Azelphur | Adys: I think so, dunno why :/ |
| 03:03.22 | Arrowmaster | https://accounts.google.com/sesame |
| 03:03.40 | Azelphur | yea, that :( |
| 03:03.42 | Iriel | Adys: what I meant was a bad person could spoof your openID provider to the server they want to acess as you, unless something like HTTPS authenticates the application-provider link |
| 03:03.59 | Adys | how could they spoof it? |
| 03:04.17 | Arrowmaster | dns spoofing |
| 03:05.36 | Adys | wel |
| 03:05.39 | Arrowmaster | or if the site you are trying to sign in on is malicious, they can try to fake the login page of your auth provider while never actually sending you to the auth provider |
| 03:05.52 | Arrowmaster | or attempt some form of XSS attack |
| 03:05.59 | Adys | that only means the openid provider needs to provide https |
| 03:06.08 | Adys | its always possible not to trust openid providers that don't |
| 03:06.09 | Iriel | Adys: Correct |
| 03:06.19 | Adys | well thats not technically an issue |
| 03:06.42 | Adys | it's completely reasonable to tell an user "you're using a very insecure provider, GTFO" |
| 03:06.43 | Iriel | Adys: I didn't say it was an issue, I was implying that openID + HTTPS gets you a PKI based solution that doesn't involve passwords. |
| 03:06.44 | Antiarc | Arrowmaster: That's why legit sites should never iframe the 3rd party auth |
| 03:06.48 | pompy | "According to Balfanz, who currently works on Google's OpenID and Open Authentication implementations, Google is working on something better, and the experiment was only meant to be used to study the usability of alternate log-in mechanisms." |
| 03:06.50 | Antiarc | You should always end up at a trusted URL to do auth |
| 03:06.58 | Adys | Iriel: i thought you meant https on the application side |
| 03:07.06 | Iriel | That's a good idea for other reasons |
| 03:07.11 | Iriel | Such as session capture |
| 03:07.21 | Iriel | But that wasn't my original point. |
| 03:07.24 | Adys | yes but its not reasonable to ask every site that wants a login to implement https |
| 03:07.43 | Adys | and session capture is more of the user's responsibility once again |
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| 03:07.49 | Adys | (network security) |
| 03:07.57 | Antiarc | Not really |
| 03:08.06 | Antiarc | Session capture is a huge issue if you're on a shared access point |
| 03:08.09 | Antiarc | Which is simply a fact of common usage |
| 03:08.24 | Arrowmaster | Antiarc: when openid was just getting popular i saw stuff talking about making the auth provider pop up a fake window over any site it was being used with and other such stupid stuff |
| 03:09.11 | Adys | Antiarc: well; lemme rephrase: the liability does not come down to the application's side |
| 03:09.14 | Arrowmaster | you know, stuff where they accidently let a graphic designer in on the meeting instead of kicking them out |
| 03:09.31 | Antiarc | I disagree. Users *can't* really protect themselves if you aren't offering an encrypted channel. |
| 03:09.36 | Antiarc | HTTPS is a pain in the ass to implement, though |
| 03:09.38 | Antiarc | It really is. |
| 03:09.54 | Arrowmaster | mostly because of the industry around certs |
| 03:10.10 | Antiarc | Well, that, and things like AdSense which just don't work well, if at all, under HTTPS |
| 03:10.20 | Adys | Antiarc: that sort of protection should still be on the router and the wireless protocol, shouldn't it? |
| 03:10.23 | Antiarc | So you make the choice between security and monetization :V |
| 03:10.28 | Iriel | anyone know offhand what browser support for the "Dont allow me to be framed" HTTP header is? |
| 03:10.36 | Antiarc | Iriel: I have it somewhere, let me find it |
| 03:10.48 | Arrowmaster | chrome? |
| 03:11.01 | Antiarc | Adys: Nope. You can sniff wireless traffic in promiscuous mode on a router, for all clients in the subnet, IIRC |
| 03:11.03 | Adys | IE8 apparently |
| 03:11.19 | Antiarc | Doesn't work well with Windows, but it's trivial with a Linux machine |
| 03:11.53 | Antiarc | Iriel: X-Frame-Options: SAMEORIGIN |
| 03:11.54 | Antiarc | I think |
| 03:12.03 | Antiarc | or DENY to prevent all framing |
| 03:12.18 | Adys | https://developer.mozilla.org/en/The_X-FRAME-OPTIONS_response_header |
| 03:13.26 | Iriel | Antiarc: aha, saved me looking it up, and they have a handy browser compatibility chart |
| 03:14.01 | Adys | yeah im just going to use one of those longass names so people dont confuse me with Ackis, Antiarc, and every fucking user that starts with an A |
| 03:14.02 | Adys | :P |
| 03:14.15 | Arrowmaster | ;D |
| 03:14.23 | Iriel | Adys: Antiarc posted the name first |
| 03:14.33 | kd3 | whistles idly |
| 03:14.34 | Adys | im the one who saved you from looking it up. |
| 03:14.48 | Iriel | By "looking it up" I meant finding my notes from the presentation I heard about it in |
| 03:14.51 | Allowfaster | that's my new nick |
| 03:14.55 | Allowfaster | I'll never be confused now |
| 03:15.17 | Allowfaster | hey, is anyone else oddly aroused by this new nickname? |
| 03:15.45 | Iriel | Adys: Your link was the same as the first hit for googling "X-Frame-Options" 8-) |
| 03:15.48 | Adys | Antiarc: I'm not a security expert, but i thought it would be possible to have a user-accesspoint-level authentication that prevents session capture |
| 03:16.10 | Adys | Iriel: my link was the first hit from "dont allow me to be framed http header" |
| 03:16.12 | Adys | ~google++ |
| 03:16.30 | Dagmar | Adys: What, you mean like authenticating an AP? |
| 03:16.32 | Iriel | Adys: how is that possible for web sessions, they're not 'connected' |
| 03:16.43 | Adys | thats not what i meant |
| 03:16.46 | Iriel | Adys: they're a tenuous bond between a sequence of otherwise independent requests |
| 03:16.55 | Adys | Dagmar: isn't that what WPA does essentially? |
| 03:17.03 | Jamash | I wonder if I can get video to go out my tv while audio goes through my pc headphones |
| 03:17.12 | Arrowmaster | this is why we should just forget about the web and make something new, http wasnt designed for stateful session |
| 03:17.18 | Jamash | while streaming via tversity to my 360 :P |
| 03:17.26 | Dagmar | Adys: Yeah but it requires a pre-existing shared secret |
| 03:17.35 | Iriel | Adys: ah, you're talking about trying to prevent interception of wireless traffic |
| 03:17.41 | Adys | yes Iriel |
| 03:17.47 | Iriel | Adys: that's really hard especially if the attacker was there before you |
| 03:17.54 | Dagmar | ...and considering that users are idiots, they'll merrily accept a new certificate |
| 03:18.10 | Arrowmaster | is wpa2-enterprise any different from normal? |
| 03:18.19 | Adys | Iriel: did you mean something else by session capture? |
| 03:18.37 | Jamash | Arrowmaster: don't you mean add yet more options to HTTP |
| 03:18.38 | Arrowmaster | hmm very very loud helicopter flying over, it must be the medic |
| 03:18.45 | Iriel | I meant grabbing credentials/cookies/whatever from a web request/response |
| 03:18.55 | Antiarc | Arrowmaster: You mean like SPDY? :) |
| 03:19.01 | Adys | Iriel: by what means? spyware? |
| 03:19.04 | Arrowmaster | Antiarc: is it stateful? |
| 03:19.12 | Iriel | i.e. so that you wait for user to authenticate, then you just do whatever action you want using their authenticated web session |
| 03:19.15 | Antiarc | Arrowmaster: Yeah, I believe so |
| 03:19.32 | Arrowmaster | i would look it up but wikipedia is blacked out |
| 03:19.42 | Iriel | Adys: If HTTPS isn't involved you have any point along the network path to do it |
| 03:19.44 | Antiarc | http://www.chromium.org/spdy/spdy-whitepaper |
| 03:19.53 | Jamash | Arrowmaster: WPA-PSK uses the key you have posted on your refrigerator, WPA-Enterprise uses a RADIUS auth server |
| 03:20.01 | Adys | Iriel: yes, but the application isn't liable for any of those points |
| 03:20.22 | Iriel | Adys: i'm not sure what difference that makes |
| 03:20.24 | Arrowmaster | Jamash: right but does that prevent two clients both authed from being able to intercept each others traffic |
| 03:20.27 | Adys | spyware comes down to user security, wifi is network security, browser is.. browser security |
| 03:20.34 | Iriel | Adys: if you care about being correctly authenticated, then you want to be using HTTPS to the app |
| 03:20.35 | Jamash | Arrowmaster: I don't know |
| 03:20.55 | Antiarc | "SPDY adds a session layer atop of SSL that allows for multiple concurrent, interleaved streams over a single TCP connection. " |
| 03:21.03 | Adys | Iriel: yeah im arguing peanuts, im just explaining why it's reasonable not to require https :P |
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| 03:22.51 | Arrowmaster | Antiarc: i would think that making it stateful would go against the design goals, since you would create a webapp very differently if you had a stateful protocol instead of http |
| 03:23.11 | Iriel | statefulness is a problem for load balancing and the like too |
| 03:23.13 | Iriel | not to mention caching |
| 03:23.15 | Antiarc | Arrowmaster: Well, we're already creating web apps that mimic stateful protocols |
| 03:23.18 | Iriel | (not that SPDY isn't) |
| 03:24.36 | Dagmar | ...because reinventing the wheel is fun |
| 03:24.48 | Iriel | Dagmar: … and making it non-circular is even more fun |
| 03:25.07 | Arrowmaster | in this case it was never circular to begin with |
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| 03:25.34 | Arrowmaster | weve just been adding more and more sides to it to improve it without ever actually making it circular |
| 03:25.34 | Jamash | writing a stream protocol on top of a stream protocol seems like a bad idea to me |
| 03:25.39 | Antiarc | HTTP's kind of blob-like which happens to take on circular forms at times |
| 03:25.51 | Antiarc | Jamash: SPDY's in production in Chrome/Google |
| 03:26.04 | Antiarc | If you use Google from a Chrome browser, you're using SPDY. Seems to work okay :) |
| 03:26.19 | Antiarc | okay, dinner AFK for me. |
| 03:26.28 | Jamash | Antiarc: I'm just saying running anything over TCP will run into TCP's ordering requirements |
| 03:26.39 | Adys | Antiarc: it was super annoying until recently |
| 03:27.10 | Jamash | unless they violate TCP ordering in which case why not just define a new protocol |
| 03:27.13 | Adys | Antiarc: because of ping not being implemented, it would react violently badly to datetime changes and network disconnects |
| 03:27.41 | Jamash | oh yeah also I don't use chrome much if I can help it |
| 03:27.42 | Dagmar | o.O |
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| 03:33.39 | Seerah | good article, Antiarc :) |
| 03:35.25 | Jamash | great now they're adding support for ports-within-ports to tls |
| 03:35.59 | TC-Work | rabble rabble rabble |
| 03:36.24 | Jamash | you know maybe the internet could use at least one more layer |
| 03:36.52 | Jamash | 'cause that's more or less what SPDY is creating in an ad-hoc fashion |
| 03:36.59 | Iriel | Jamash: I vote for marzipan! |
| 03:37.03 | Jamash | Iriel: ew |
| 03:37.08 | Jamash | Marzipan is gross |
| 03:37.10 | Dagmar | People must really hate the initial computational cost of ssl |
| 03:37.17 | Iriel | It's the latency we hate |
| 03:37.18 | Jamash | Dagmar: It's the RTT |
| 03:37.19 | Iriel | not the computation |
| 03:37.32 | Shirik | https://twitter.com/#!/Ted_Zepplin/status/159821816897085440 |
| 03:37.40 | Iriel | that damn handshake is a slow death |
| 03:37.49 | Jamash | more like a slow birth |
| 03:38.08 | Dagmar | I'm not even going to speculate about why people don't just serialize and queue then |
| 03:38.13 | Jamash | Iriel: joke or serious? |
| 03:38.29 | Iriel | Jamash: I liked yours better |
| 03:38.41 | Shirik | in other news, http://stats.grok.se/en/201201/Soap |
| 03:38.44 | Jamash | Dagmar: TCP and SSL/TLS interact in fundamental ways that slow things down |
| 03:38.45 | Iriel | I'm being serious if you're trying to do low latency/fast response ad-hoc requests it's a killer |
| 03:39.06 | Iriel | Once you have a lot of requests to amortize things over, or if you dont care about response time, it's not so bad |
| 03:39.17 | Dagmar | I generally don't. |
| 03:39.30 | Dagmar | I more or less look at it as a bulk transfer deal |
| 03:39.33 | Jamash | although google suggests using pipelining over TLS since you know you're not going through middleware that f's things up |
| 03:39.56 | Jamash | Dagmar: the web is not about bulk transfer |
| 03:39.59 | Dagmar | It's certainly much easier |
| 03:40.41 | Iriel | If you're trying to balance load you can't hold connections open either |
| 03:40.48 | Dagmar | Good thing I mainly only have to deal with static forms |
| 03:40.55 | Iriel | (It does somewhat depend on your load characteristics) |
| 03:41.07 | Dagmar | ...and occasionally yelling at WP people |
| 03:41.09 | Jamash | so have pipelines with max lifetimes, but high burst |
| 03:41.39 | Dagmar | "Why is your site polling _itself_ twice a second for an RSS feed?" |
| 03:41.40 | Jamash | wait |
| 03:41.50 | Iriel | though there are some nifty solutions that do SSL termination at the load balancer, and then multiplex HTTP over persistent encrypted connections to appropriately patched webservers |
| 03:41.51 | Jamash | I meant to ask Shirik if that was a joke or serious tweet |
| 03:41.58 | Shirik | oh, seems like it was serious |
| 03:42.16 | Shirik | http://twitter.com/herpderpedia |
| 03:42.17 | Jamash | with a handle like that it seemed like it might be a joke |
| 03:42.19 | Iriel | I'm sure it was, a lot of folks typo SOPA as SOAP |
| 03:42.40 | Shirik | I think he was talking about the twitter link |
| 03:42.41 | Jamash | Iriel: Or overaggressive spellcheck |
| 03:42.59 | Jamash | I actually did say tweet |
| 03:43.06 | Iriel | Jamash: good point, that graph would be FASCINATING with a mobile/desktop UA overlay |
| 03:43.20 | Shirik | soap, soup, and sofa all got sudden spikes in visitors today on enwiki |
| 03:43.31 | kd3 | lmao |
| 03:43.42 | Jamash | a lot of that is probably from people hearing it on tv or radio or in person and not getting the spelling |
| 03:44.04 | Jamash | and trying to play it by ear |
| 03:44.04 | Iriel | My phone spellchecks the city our data center is in to "Tickling" |
| 03:44.06 | Iriel | which is always fun |
| 03:44.42 | Jamash | supposedly a friend of mine's phone will call another friend of mine if you say "Call Chickenf***er" into the voice recognizer |
| 03:45.16 | Jamash | This has not been demonstrated in my presence however |
| 03:46.00 | Arrowmaster | i had a phone that you had to program the voice dialing with what phrase you wanted it to use for each contact |
| 03:46.52 | Iriel | Our car does that, though it recommends against using |
| 03:47.02 | Iriel | UI navigation-like words like 'Home" |
| 03:47.07 | Iriel | so I have to use my cat's name for the house |
| 03:48.02 | Iriel | which is fine unless I need to call home with a guest in the car, and then they look at me funny |
| 03:48.14 | Arrowmaster | only accepts single words instead of a phrase? |
| 03:48.36 | Iriel | I'm sure it'll take a phrase |
| 03:49.18 | Iriel | but then i'd need to remember the phrase |
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| 03:54.04 | kd3 | hm. an hour until enwiki comes back up. I wonder what's going to break under the load? |
| 03:54.46 | Shirik | well that's ok |
| 03:54.51 | Shirik | enwiki is already breaking all over the place |
| 03:54.57 | Shirik | just the fact that it's not doing anything is kinda hiding it |
| 03:55.13 | Shirik | PROBLEM - ps1-d2-sdtpa-infeed-load-tower-A-phase-Z on ps1-d2-sdtpa is CRITICAL: ps1-d2-sdtpa-infeed-load-tower-A-phase-Z CRITICAL - *2488* |
| 03:55.15 | Shirik | I have on idea what that means |
| 03:55.17 | Shirik | but it sounds bad |
| 04:01.16 | durcyn | sounds electrical |
| 04:01.21 | Iriel | It is |
| 04:02.03 | Iriel | It's from a cabinet power distribution unit |
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| 04:08.32 | TC-phone | ~ping |
| 04:08.32 | purl | ~pong |
| 04:22.03 | Arrowmaster | what the fuck am i watching..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=NqnMSo8jDGs# |
| 04:23.25 | TC-Work | youtube |
| 04:24.16 | Kraps | haha |
| 04:26.27 | Arrowmaster | im rather disappointed that the account only has 1 video upload |
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| 04:50.47 | pompy | skyrim written in QBASIC lol, http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=VdA8bSsE9eo |
| 04:52.31 | Corrodias | somebody was clearly enjoying their video editing software way too much |
| 04:54.52 | Shirik | please don't call TI-84 basic QBASIC |
| 04:55.38 | Arrowmaster | and i doubt that is written in basic, its probably in assembly |
| 04:57.19 | Shirik | I"m debating |
| 04:57.43 | Shirik | I never programmed for the TI-84 but for TI-83 doing pictures with text at the same time was extremely difficult |
| 04:57.54 | Shirik | (in TI BASIC) |
| 04:58.50 | Arrowmaster | on the 83 you couldnt do small text like that without doing it pixel by pixel which makes me think assembly |
| 05:00.23 | kd3 | lol |
| 05:00.28 | kd3 | a bot landed the instant it could |
| 05:03.29 | kd3 | and just as instantly the databases locked for replag |
| 05:03.43 | kd3 | if only I could be a fly on the wall in the server room right now |
| 05:07.19 | bluspacecow | :_: kd3 |
| 05:07.25 | bluspacecow | ;_; |
| 05:07.37 | bluspacecow | yet another d3 beta wipe coming |
| 05:07.49 | kd3 | ouch |
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| 05:07.53 | Kaylin | heh |
| 05:07.55 | Iriel | Thank god I didn't spend too long levelling a full set of chars again |
| 05:08.11 | Kaylin | good thing the characters on my acc aren't mine |
| 05:08.43 | pompy | Shirik: well i owened the ti 83 plus, so that was some type of BASIC |
| 05:08.50 | kd3 | it was ti-basic |
| 05:09.02 | kd3 | the cheapass version. the ti-basic on the 89 was better |
| 05:11.10 | Sintacks | heh. iv'e become a raid logger |
| 05:11.38 | pompy | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TI-84_Plus_series#Programming |
| 05:11.39 | pompy | ah ok |
| 05:11.44 | pompy | oh and btw wikipedia is back |
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| 05:23.55 | Arrowmaster | great now i want to harm rednecks i went to highschool with again |
| 05:25.19 | Arrowmaster | this shit has ended up in my fb feed https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/401480_10150491126715911_134193140910_9338995_1155083337_n.jpg |
| 05:26.45 | Arrowmaster | the good news is that the comments on it are mostly people saying its bullshit and providing proof |
| 05:29.42 | Adys | why do you still have people like that on fb? |
| 05:29.55 | Adys | theres this feature that lets you unfriend people |
| 05:30.24 | TC-Work | It might even be true, but if so it's mostly because of the decisions of the previous administrations. |
| 05:30.40 | Arrowmaster | i went to highschool with them, if i remove all the rednecks i went to highschool with the only people i have freinded on fb would be you guys |
| 05:30.47 | Adys | so? |
| 05:30.49 | TC-Work | thats not much better |
| 05:31.08 | Arrowmaster | then i would never use it and just stick with G+ since you are all there too |
| 05:31.14 | Cairenn | heh |
| 05:31.16 | Adys | .. so? |
| 05:31.25 | Adys | i think im making a point here. |
| 05:31.54 | Adys | i removed pretty much everyone from fb since g+ came out |
| 05:32.10 | Adys | the people i care about are on there -- the others can screw off |
| 05:32.31 | kd3 | dunno if true, but hilarious either way: Celine Dion's song from "Titanic" was playing when the Italian cruise ship capsized [Ironic] |
| 05:32.39 | kd3 | http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10779726&ref=rss |
| 05:32.58 | Adys | kd3: wouldve gone with Evanescence - Going Under |
| 05:33.11 | Arrowmaster | http://i.imgur.com/jm6TQ.jpg |
| 05:33.21 | Cairenn | Terrible to laugh, but ... *snark* |
| 05:33.22 | Arrowmaster | is it bad that i know what the linked image was? |
| 05:33.33 | Adys | Arrowmaster: knew here too |
| 05:33.36 | Adys | oh reddit. |
| 05:33.46 | Arrowmaster | yeah i saw it before the blackout |
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| 05:50.25 | bluspacecow | http://blip.tv/blizzblues-with-darnell/blizz-blues-45-sopa-is-not-dead-5894170 |
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| 05:58.45 | TC-Work | http://gizmodo.com/5877401/smittensall-the-romantic-hand+holding-with-none-of-the-frostbite this is rather funny |
| 05:59.02 | TC-Work | looks like two socks melted together |
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| 05:59.47 | Azelphur | bluspacecow: I like that video :D |
| 06:05.51 | karl_w_w | "SOPA in Greek means shut up and PIPA is slang for blow job so the goverment can shut up and? blow me" amuzing if true |
| 06:07.21 | Cairenn | lol |
| 06:08.46 | Cairenn | wonders how many have now hit up google translate ;) |
| 06:08.52 | karl_w_w | dont think i know anyone who speeks greek to check :P |
| 06:10.11 | Cairenn | Tristanian is Greek, but he hasn't been around much |
| 06:10.38 | Cairenn | I -think- someone else in channel is, too, but not positive about that |
| 06:11.21 | bluspacecow | speaking of greece |
| 06:11.21 | karl_w_w | maybe ZorbaBeta? :P |
| 06:11.22 | bluspacecow | http://www.gadling.com/2012/01/18/rent-the-acropolis-for-just-2000-a-day/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+weblogsinc%2Fgadling+%28Gadling%29 |
| 06:11.29 | Cairenn | No |
| 06:11.38 | Cairenn | bluspacecow: heh |
| 06:12.45 | Cairenn | karl_w_w: or rather, if he is, he has transplated to the US |
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| 06:33.42 | Shirik | Cairenn http://i.imgur.com/DNRAj.jpg |
| 06:33.51 | Cairenn | awwwwww |
| 06:46.39 | Arrowmaster | karl_w_w: ask Adys |
| 06:48.20 | Adys | sopa is indeed slang for shut up |
| 06:48.53 | Adys | pipa isnt, but it is in french. |
| 06:51.47 | Arrowmaster | your still the only greek frenchman i know |
| 06:52.10 | Adys | i also speak swahili |
| 06:52.14 | Adys | but nobody seems to care |
| 06:52.24 | Arrowmaster | nobody cares about swahili |
| 07:07.56 | Shirik | ok daily show tonight is awesome |
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| 07:19.15 | Cairenn | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2012/01/18/funny-pictures-i-made-you-a-cookie-lol/ |
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| 07:32.02 | starlon | Cairenn: lol |
| 07:38.05 | [Wobin] | It's sad that that SEO doesn't even make me blink anymore =P |
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| 09:04.32 | karl_w_w | Arrowmaster: I can't I have the troll on ignore |
| 09:46.19 | karl_w_w | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgT4KjgGlq0 LOLOL |
| 09:46.26 | karl_w_w | so did not see that coming |
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| 09:52.18 | Mikk | karl_w_w: "SOPA" in swedish means "garbage". |
| 09:52.20 | Mikk | literally |
| 09:53.35 | Mikk | singular, garbage = 1 sopa |
| 09:54.26 | Mikk | (unfortunately the same spelling is also the verb "to sweep" as in sweeping the floors, but i'm willfully ignoring that, mostly..) |
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| 10:29.24 | karl_w_w | does sopa/pipa only cover websites? |
| 10:29.41 | karl_w_w | or is it everything that uses the internet? |
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| 10:31.53 | karl_w_w | seems it's websites only |
| 10:41.12 | bluspacecow | we may have to start using gopher again |
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| 11:06.33 | Antiarc | I'd have to check the definitions, but I'm pretty sure it's websites. |
| 11:07.14 | Antiarc | INTERNET SITE- The term `Internet site' means the collection of digital assets, including links, indexes, or pointers to digital assets, accessible through the Internet that are addressed relative to a common domain name or, if there is no domain name, a common Internet Protocol address. |
| 11:07.37 | Antiarc | Basically it means "if it's on the internet, it's covered" |
| 11:07.40 | Antiarc | So yeah. |
| 11:12.12 | bluspacecow | so |
| 11:12.26 | bluspacecow | if i had someone email a torrent would it be a way around it ? |
| 11:15.48 | Antiarc | It'd just make the receiving mailserver an infringing "internet site", probably. |
| 11:16.03 | Antiarc | Since it's addressable through a domain name or IP and includes digital assets :V |
| 11:16.31 | Antiarc | SOPA's problem is that the language is so broad that literally the entire internet can be squeezed into being defined as covered and infringing. |
| 11:18.47 | bluspacecow | have you seen theoatmeal's take on it ? |
| 11:21.23 | Antiarc | yeah |
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| 11:31.02 | karl_w_w | so basically any place online where people can communicate with each other would be up for being blocked |
| 11:31.24 | karl_w_w | not sure wow would be possible without chat |
| 11:32.05 | Antiarc | Basically, yeah. The language is broad enough that unfiltered content effectively becomes illegal. |
| 11:38.55 | Cide | dances the happily-living-in-Sweden-dance |
| 11:46.37 | Cide | I like your article, Antiarc |
| 11:46.46 | Antiarc | Thank you! |
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| 11:50.01 | Cide | interestingly SOPA affects me more than probably everything that happens in sweden |
| 11:50.18 | Cide | not only as an internet user but as a developer |
| 11:51.44 | Cide | clearly that should make me eligible to vote in your elections |
| 11:51.56 | Antiarc | Given how litigious the RIAA/MPAA are, it wouldn't surprise me if SOPA would significantly impact most of the English-speaking parts of the internet. |
| 11:52.19 | Antiarc | If it passed I would literally have to reconsider my career, which is scary as hell |
| 11:52.39 | Cide | yep |
| 11:52.39 | Antiarc | Because right now, my industry is one of the only ones in the entire economy that's doing well. |
| 11:53.02 | Antiarc | And I don't have a college degree, so it's pretty much "Well, I'm a super expert on stuff that's illegal now, can I have a job?" |
| 11:53.19 | Antiarc | But we have to pass sopa to PROJECT AMURRICAN JORBS |
| 11:53.29 | Antiarc | DEM PIRATES ARE STEALIN OUR JORBS |
| 11:53.58 | Cide | I liked http://www.buzzfeed.com/daves4/sopa-in-a-nutshell |
| 11:55.27 | Cide | seems like the blackouts had an effect though, so hopefully the internet won't turn to shit |
| 11:55.42 | Fisker`nosoap | i feel sick bluspacecow |
| 11:55.47 | Fisker`nosoap | i hate soap |
| 11:56.04 | Antiarc | I hate soap too |
| 11:56.05 | Antiarc | http://stopsoap.com/ |
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| 11:56.24 | Fisker`nosoap | i hate the other soap |
| 11:56.28 | Antiarc | The blackouts got attention, and enough of it to get a number of congressmen to reverse course on it, which is good. |
| 11:56.48 | Antiarc | It at least means that they're paying attention to it now, rather than just rubberstamping it because it uses too many fancy words for their simple minds to comprehend. |
| 11:57.53 | Fisker`nosoap | i liked the part where the chairman and ceo for the MPAA is a senator |
| 11:59.09 | Fisker`nosoap | haha Mikk |
| 11:59.12 | Fisker`nosoap | that's probably on purpose |
| 11:59.23 | Antiarc | Former senator |
| 11:59.24 | Antiarc | But yes. |
| 11:59.27 | Antiarc | Bought and paid for. |
| 12:03.42 | Fisker`nosoap | how former? |
| 12:03.49 | Fisker`nosoap | as in people noticed yesterday and he resigned? |
| 12:03.57 | Fisker`nosoap | because he wasn't former when foxlit mentioned it :( |
| 12:07.55 | Antiarc | "Dodd was elected to the U.S. Senate in the 1980, and was subsequently reelected in 1986, 1992, 1998, and 2004. He is the first senator from Connecticut to serve five consecutive terms." |
| 12:08.04 | Antiarc | 2010 was his last year in office. |
| 12:09.05 | Maldivia | that it only took him 2 months to land the job as CEO after he finished his term as Senator is another thing :P |
| 12:10.45 | karl_w_w | so what are some good tablets that aren't the ipad? |
| 12:11.45 | Cide | iPad 2 |
| 12:11.53 | karl_w_w | budum tiss |
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| 12:19.22 | Fisker`nosoap | http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/18/ipads-replaced-with-clay-sold-by-retailer/ |
| 12:19.23 | Fisker`nosoap | nice |
| 12:19.35 | Fisker`nosoap | it was only after taking the story to CTV, and up to ten other cases coming to light -- including some from Best Buy |
| 12:19.37 | Fisker`nosoap | yeah |
| 12:19.44 | Fisker`nosoap | i guess those 9 previous cases was just trying to scam the store |
| 12:22.51 | Cide | true story |
| 12:24.15 | bluspacecow | fisker has no soap |
| 12:49.54 | karl_w_w | haha, if 2 people invite each other at the same time you get they are in a group message |
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| 13:37.04 | mitch0 | rofl! |
| 13:37.09 | mitch0 | (actually, no) |
| 13:42.36 | bluspacecow | oh hai |
| 13:42.43 | Lopeppeppy | *kiss kiss* |
| 13:43.08 | BlackNet | you can cross summon ppl as well. |
| 13:43.13 | BlackNet | they sum you you sum them |
| 13:43.22 | jnwhiteh | Does anyone know what would cause this php script to produce "no": echo(shell_exec('if [[ "Dude" =~ ^[A-Za-z0-9\_\-\!]*$ ]]; then echo "yes"; else echo "no"; fi');); |
| 13:43.27 | jnwhiteh | I'm at a loss =/ |
| 13:43.31 | bluspacecow | sum sum |
| 13:43.40 | bluspacecow | but what if its a half baked summon |
| 13:43.44 | bluspacecow | then it would be a dim sum |
| 13:43.44 | wereHamster | jnwhiteh: is our shell sh or bash? |
| 13:43.51 | jnwhiteh | should be bash |
| 13:43.56 | jnwhiteh | but appears to not be, which is one of the problems |
| 13:44.01 | BlackNet | ? half baked summon? |
| 13:44.11 | jnwhiteh | but even if you take that script and put it in a file, and bash <thatfile> it's failing |
| 13:44.14 | jnwhiteh | php =( |
| 13:44.14 | wereHamster | jnwhiteh: try shell_exec('bash -c "..."' |
| 13:44.32 | jnwhiteh | I can't, its not my server, but I'm doing that with a file |
| 13:44.34 | wereHamster | jnwhiteh: you sure bash knows regular expressions? |
| 13:44.38 | jnwhiteh | yes, it does |
| 13:44.44 | jnwhiteh | maybe I need a newer version, it is debian |
| 13:44.47 | jnwhiteh | *kill* |
| 13:44.51 | BlackNet | syntax error near unexpected token `shell_exec' |
| 13:45.05 | jnwhiteh | well I think the original script was |
| 13:45.11 | Lopeppeppy | Murder sounds like a viable option, jnwhiteh. |
| 13:45.11 | jnwhiteh | $test = shell_exec(..); echo $test; |
| 13:45.32 | BlackNet | -bash: syntax error near unexpected token `(' |
| 13:45.36 | wereHamster | jnwhiteh: yes, could be it, on my mac it prints no, on ubuntu 11.10 it prints yes |
| 13:45.45 | wereHamster | bash versions 3.x and 4.x |
| 13:45.58 | jnwhiteh | wereHamster: ah okay |
| 13:46.01 | jnwhiteh | that makes sense |
| 13:46.03 | BlackNet | bash 4.1-3 |
| 13:46.25 | jnwhiteh | BlackNet: there was no ) in the bash portion of that script, so I'm confused :P |
| 13:47.00 | jnwhiteh | wereHamster: hrm.. the box only has bash 4.1-3 |
| 13:47.09 | jnwhiteh | but maybe php is doing something weird |
| 13:47.13 | jnwhiteh | i'll target that vector, thanks P |
| 13:47.36 | mitch0 | you can bet large sums on that |
| 13:47.38 | wereHamster | jnwhiteh: 11.10 has bash 4.2.10, there it works |
| 13:47.45 | mitch0 | (php doing something weird) |
| 13:48.05 | BlackNet | thinking it's the exec function |
| 13:48.09 | jnwhiteh | yeah, me too |
| 13:48.33 | BlackNet | that was on my debian box |
| 13:48.55 | jnwhiteh | the script has /usr/bin/env bash in shebang, which is bash 4.1 and I've also invoked it with bash filename.sh |
| 13:49.02 | jnwhiteh | thanks for the ideas |
| 13:49.39 | Lopeppeppy | is totally freezing her cookies off. Winter has arrived at long last. |
| 13:50.52 | bluspacecow | *rubs peppy's cookies* |
| 13:51.56 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr, baby |
| 13:52.18 | bluspacecow | i am nomming noodles |
| 13:52.20 | bluspacecow | raw. |
| 13:52.46 | Lopeppeppy | Pourquoi? |
| 13:53.30 | bluspacecow | crunchy ! |
| 13:54.05 | Lopeppeppy | Yes, I suppose they are. |
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| 14:34.01 | mikma | http://imgur.com/gallery/3BEGe |
| 14:37.08 | Ackis | good evening everyone |
| 14:37.50 | BlackNet | hey Ackis |
| 14:38.01 | BlackNet | question for you :) |
| 14:39.18 | Ackis | 42 |
| 14:39.36 | BlackNet | on your recipe list. |
| 14:39.54 | BlackNet | i noticed the armory is showing all the engineering plans regardless of gnomish or goblin. |
| 14:40.03 | BlackNet | your arl have any way to filter those out? |
| 14:40.06 | mikma | http://imgur.com/gallery/XDR1t |
| 14:40.19 | Ackis | there's a specialties filter that you can use BlackNet |
| 14:41.21 | BlackNet | where is it at |
| 14:41.42 | Ackis | with all the other filters :D I think on the general tab |
| 14:42.13 | BlackNet | lemme look |
| 14:44.26 | BlackNet | hmm ok |
| 14:45.00 | BlackNet | now if i can get the armroy to do that :) |
| 14:46.19 | Torhal | Ackis: Wow. Dude. You do that again and I'm renaming the AddOn. |
| 14:46.39 | Torhal | "I think on the general tab" |
| 14:46.41 | Torhal | o.O |
| 14:47.01 | Torhal | CODE MORE YOU BASTARD. |
| 14:48.00 | Ackis | dude even if I coded more I wouldn't know where that shit was |
| 14:48.09 | Torhal | BS :P |
| 14:48.17 | Ackis | I'm an alchemist/enchanter with all recipes known, how often do you think I use my own damn mod? :P |
| 14:48.32 | Torhal | Bah. I don't even play the fucking game :P |
| 14:48.42 | Ackis | bullshit, I saw you log in yesterday! |
| 14:48.49 | Torhal | It's an SDK, not a game. |
| 14:50.20 | Torhal | Ackis: See? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9007879/Screenshots/1_.png <-- this is why I was logged in :P |
| 14:50.48 | Ackis | I only log in to raid :( |
| 14:51.30 | Torhal | And grind to get there :P |
| 14:56.43 | Maldivia | welcome... to the bark side - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ntDYjS0Y3w ... brilliant! |
| 14:57.07 | Lopeppeppy | No... filters tab? *giggle* |
| 14:58.54 | Ackis | that is full of win Maldivia |
| 14:59.19 | Maldivia | yeah! |
| 15:10.10 | mikma | ~framexml |
| 15:10.11 | purl | rumour has it, framexml is Blizzard's UI for WoW. Export code/art from the client by using the wow.exe -console commands "ExportInterfaceFiles code" and "ExportInterfaceFiles art" (must be used on login screen); or view it online at http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source , http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser or http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml |
| 15:11.57 | karl_w_w | http://www.neatorama.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Pikachukitty.jpg |
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| 15:20.41 | bluspacecow | i like the doggie with the ewok costume on |
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| 15:21.36 | Torhal | Lopeppeppy: Huh? |
| 15:21.57 | Lopeppeppy | poking fun, that's all. |
| 15:22.29 | Torhal | lol |
| 15:24.16 | bluspacecow | *pokes peppy* |
| 15:24.20 | bluspacecow | i poking fun! |
| 15:25.48 | Lopeppeppy | Awww. |
| 15:31.49 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:31.57 | bluspacecow | 23 min dps Q ? /sad |
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| 15:35.28 | Maldivia | heal or tank them :) |
| 15:36.43 | bluspacecow | imma q'ing asa lock |
| 15:37.52 | Maldivia | get a healer friend to queue with |
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| 15:45.45 | Dagmar | Nah, just remap everything to Seed of Corruption and you'll be fine. ;) |
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| 15:49.38 | karl_w_w | pah! |
| 15:49.46 | karl_w_w | I bumped a thread, and it didn't bump! |
| 15:50.47 | karl_w_w | oh it did, i just had to ctrl F5 the forum for some reason |
| 15:52.27 | Lopeppeppy | Refresh is your friend. |
| 15:52.48 | karl_w_w | i did refresh a couple of times :P |
| 15:53.03 | karl_w_w | in fact the forum wasnt open when i did the bump, i went to it after |
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| 16:12.32 | Torhal|work | http://www.joystiq.com/2012/01/19/skyrim-mod-replaces-dragons-with-my-little-pony/ |
| 16:14.12 | nicoli_s | lol |
| 16:14.16 | nicoli_s | hope we have that on curse |
| 16:15.00 | nicoli_s | man that nexus site blows |
| 16:15.08 | Torhal|work | Hehe |
| 16:15.54 | nicoli_s | i mean seriously, 5+ second load times on every page is just sad |
| 16:17.22 | Torhal|work | Eww. |
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| 17:05.36 | Fisker`nosoap | mad nicoli_s ? |
| 17:06.49 | bluspacecow | there's a wasp in my room but i want to go to sleep soon :O |
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| 17:08.42 | Torhal|work | bluspacecow: Just give it to Fisker`nosoap |
| 17:08.54 | bluspacecow | why fisker have no soap ? |
| 17:09.00 | bluspacecow | he must be really stinky ! |
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| 17:11.20 | Ackis | bluspacecow: are the wasps in australia poisonous? |
| 17:11.32 | bluspacecow | hope not |
| 17:11.38 | bluspacecow | swatted a few 2 nights ago |
| 17:11.49 | bluspacecow | shit |
| 17:11.58 | bluspacecow | could that be why by left arm is all green ? and furry ? |
| 17:12.30 | Lopeppeppy | Fur is from swatting something else. *weg* |
| 17:13.14 | Torhal|work | ... |
| 17:13.26 | bluspacecow | *it falls off* |
| 17:13.28 | bluspacecow | O_O |
| 17:13.36 | Cide | okay |
| 17:13.39 | Cide | what the fuck swtor |
| 17:13.47 | Cide | Due to extremely high volumes of website traffic, you have been placed in a queue to access the page you requested. |
| 17:13.57 | Cide | I'm not sure if I should laugh or cry |
| 17:13.59 | Cide | or vomit |
| 17:14.00 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 17:14.08 | Arrowmaster | since its not me i get to laugh |
| 17:14.10 | Lopeppeppy | ... a queue. To see a website... |
| 17:14.11 | durcyn | vomit. |
| 17:14.20 | Lopeppeppy | Damn, Cide. You broke the interwebs, take a friggin' number! |
| 17:14.49 | Cide | so it appears |
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| 17:15.10 | bluspacecow | http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/01/19/swtor-unsubscribe-goes-missing-for-some/ |
| 17:15.45 | durcyn | to think there was a time (before EA, i guess) when bioware wasn't the first company you'd expect to do anything that aggressively stupid |
| 17:16.20 | Lopeppeppy | I wonder if it's stupid, or on purpose... |
| 17:16.36 | durcyn | the 'aggressively' implies intent. |
| 17:16.44 | Arrowmaster | i think EA runs most of their web stuff |
| 17:17.19 | |Jelly| | ... and there's no [at least that I can see] visible queue. Took me ~30 minutes to access the website. :| |
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| 17:17.49 | durcyn | |Jelly|: it gets worse - there's no persistence in your queue status, so you might have a normal page load, then get that fuckery on the next link you follow |
| 17:18.09 | |Jelly| | This is my unsurprised face. |
| 17:18.55 | Fisker`nosoap | oh god changes in diablo 3 |
| 17:19.00 | Fisker`nosoap | ITS FOR CONSOLES OMG |
| 17:19.11 | |Jelly| | Yeah /suicide |
| 17:19.16 | bluspacecow | u mad ? |
| 17:19.46 | |Jelly| | At all the people that get a game for consoles and then whine that they don't have the community that PCs have? Yeah. |
| 17:19.46 | Fisker`nosoap | nope bluspacecow |
| 17:19.47 | Fisker`nosoap | umad? |
| 17:20.02 | bluspacecow | nah / u soap ? |
| 17:20.06 | Cide | ಠ_ಠ |
| 17:20.08 | Cide | zz |
| 17:20.12 | Fisker`nosoap | nope bluspacecow |
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| 17:22.47 | Fisker`nosoap | i think i'm going to puke soon bluspacecow |
| 17:22.56 | bluspacecow | y |
| 17:23.19 | Fisker`nosoap | i need an app for my phone that can tell me when |
| 17:25.44 | durcyn | now |
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| 17:30.42 | |Jelly| | STATION! |
| 17:30.43 | Lunessa | Hello ladies. |
| 17:30.44 | |Jelly| | boom |
| 17:31.37 | Lopeppeppy | Good morning, Lunessa-dear. |
| 17:33.05 | Lunessa | So, this university has a shuttle service for local area residents. The new driver for that shuttle almost killed me twice this morning. Only the fact that I was quick on the breaks and faster with a swerve into an empty lane saved me and my poor car from terrible calamity. |
| 17:34.17 | Torhal|work | Dispatch the assassins? |
| 17:35.43 | Lunessa | I sent a nasty email to the director saying that the driver was amenace and shouldn't be driving a vehicle for us. Hopefully they take it seriously. |
| 17:36.43 | Lopeppeppy | Wow. /huggle |
| 17:38.11 | bluspacecow | what kind of car does thoust drive Peppy ? |
| 17:39.53 | Lopeppeppy | 2001 Chevy Cavalier. |
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| 18:01.56 | mikma | fisker`nosoap: Y U NO SOAP |
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| 18:02.14 | xanax` | hello |
| 18:13.51 | pompy | http://gamerant.com/skyrim-creation-kit-mods-my-little-pony-robk-126073/ |
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| 18:38.33 | Lunessa | oh hullo there. |
| 18:41.17 | Lopeppeppy | I am a bad girl and I'm going straight to hell, no handbasket allowed. |
| 18:41.40 | Lunessa | … So that means I can expect you to visit my condo overlooking the lake of fire and bring cookies? |
| 18:42.31 | Lopeppeppy | Cookies don't do well, baking over open fires. *frown* |
| 18:42.33 | Torhal|work | So you're as pure as the driven-on snow? |
| 18:42.58 | Lopeppeppy | Don't eat yellow snow, Torhal. |
| 18:43.07 | Torhal|work | That's Fisker`nosoap's job. |
| 18:43.13 | Cairenn | waves |
| 18:44.37 | Maldivia | when they mentioned there would be a post about D3 system changes... that was not what I expected |
| 18:44.39 | nicoli_s | whatd you do Lopeppeppy |
| 18:46.32 | Lunessa | Maldivia: "Your character in Diablo III is just that badass now." |
| 18:46.42 | Maldivia | Lunessa: yeah, loved that line :P |
| 18:47.03 | Lunessa | Also, Y U no friend me in D3? Y U NO LOVE ME? |
| 18:47.11 | Lunessa | (I kid, I kid) |
| 18:49.29 | Lopeppeppy | nicoli_s, I keep wishing evils to deluge my ex. Eeeeeevils. |
| 18:49.54 | Torhal|work | Like, being locked in a casket with carrion beetles? |
| 18:50.03 | nicoli_s | nothing wrong with that Lopeppeppy |
| 18:50.14 | nicoli_s | ive wished terrible things upon my ex and vice versa |
| 18:51.58 | nicoli_s | but then again she deserves it |
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| 19:16.06 | bluspacecow | @Lunessa i wove you dear :P |
| 19:20.31 | Lunessa | I should make a Sit Com - "Everybody Loves Lunessa" - there could be visits from famous WoW personalities. |
| 19:21.00 | bluspacecow | i'm famous |
| 19:21.04 | bluspacecow | "LOL" |
| 19:21.20 | syrae__ | hugs Lunessa |
| 19:23.04 | syrae__ | bluspacecow: You're an MVP right? that makes you mildly internet "famous" |
| 19:23.23 | Lunessa | True dat |
| 19:23.31 | Lunessa | Cogwheel is internet famous too. |
| 19:23.34 | syrae__ | Which is better than Kardashian "famous" |
| 19:24.01 | Lopeppeppy | I'm not famous, but I'm fierce! |
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| 19:24.16 | syrae__ | Or Famous Tracy "famous" <-- and if ANYONE in this channel gets that, I will buy you a drink or meal of your choice |
| 19:24.36 | Lunessa | Better get the wallet out. Tracy Morgan is hilarious |
| 19:24.52 | bluspacecow | Kardashian "famous" <---- wha ? |
| 19:24.54 | syrae__ | Not the Tracy I am referring to |
| 19:24.59 | Lunessa | OH SNAP |
| 19:25.28 | syrae__ | Lunessa: there's ~350 in the world who would get the Famous Tracy reference |
| 19:27.07 | syrae__ | anyhow, lunch time now |
| 19:27.17 | syrae__ | I have 3 releases to do today. |
| 19:41.52 | alestane | chops off syrae__'s tail. |
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| 19:43.46 | alestane | Though Peppy be but little yet she is fierce. |
| 19:43.57 | bluspacecow | +1 |
| 19:49.19 | Lopeppeppy | I have razor sharp fangs! |
| 19:53.11 | Lunessa | Beware the furmious Lopeppeppy. The fangs that bite, the claws that catch! |
| 19:57.35 | alestane | That's "frumious" in the original, but Lopeppeppy's a vixen, so she can be furmious instead if she wants to. |
| 20:01.09 | Lopeppeppy | Too sleek to be considered "furminous". Because that almost asks where my Furminator is. :) |
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| 20:08.14 | Lunessa | Well, still I'm sure that's a question on many minds. ^.- |
| 20:15.47 | Lopeppeppy | It's on the shelf in the bathroom next to my hair dryer. Isn't that where you keep yours? |
| 20:17.39 | syrae__ | alestane: sorry for the tail. I'm trying to get a new IRC client set up, so I have way too many accounts logged in to freenode atm |
| 20:17.44 | zenzelezz | is Spotify being stupid for anyone else? |
| 20:17.53 | zenzelezz | stopped mid-song, can't browse search results |
| 20:18.18 | Lopeppeppy | That sounds pretty normal for Spotify. |
| 20:18.32 | zenzelezz | nope |
| 20:18.50 | zenzelezz | I use it every day at work, and often at home; so I'd say minimum seven hours a day. Very rare for me to experience problems |
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| 20:36.46 | zenzelezz | that said, I have no idea how it performs in the US |
| 20:42.36 | Lunessa | Thier deal with facebook made me stop using them. |
| 20:43.58 | zenzelezz | I dislike the deal, but given the alternatives there's nothing remotely worth using here |
| 20:44.02 | Lunessa | I'm one of those users who reads the user agreement … and the changes they made to accomdate Facebook made me uncomfortable, so… |
| 20:44.18 | Lunessa | I decided to vote with my feet. |
| 20:44.22 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah. Not being able to listen to music at work means I rarely am able to use Spotify. And not liking Facebook too much, well... yeah. |
| 20:45.04 | zenzelezz | basically everyone at work listens to music, to isolate other noise. Coding is much easier in your own private sphere |
| 20:45.28 | zenzelezz | I also use Spotify's Android app a lot |
| 20:45.40 | Lunessa | If I could find a way to quit using Facebook and not lose too many contacts, I would. But since those contacts mean a lot to me, Facebook stays for now. |
| 20:46.04 | zenzelezz | same deal I have with MSN Messenger (more specifically, the protocol... using Pidgin) |
| 20:46.14 | zenzelezz | if I could just get my friends to use XMPP... |
| 20:47.31 | Lunessa | Yeah, I have messenger accounts with all the big names - I was on the AIM dev team in the 90s - but I use Adium or other Pidgin-based projects now instead. |
| 20:47.56 | zenzelezz | I left my ICQ account alone years ago, thankfully |
| 20:48.07 | zenzelezz | "add me, I'm 15465408940654" |
| 20:48.20 | Arrowmaster | thats a huge ass number |
| 20:48.38 | zenzelezz | I didn't want to accidentally use someone's real ICQ number |
| 20:49.00 | Arrowmaster | that probably is |
| 20:49.20 | Lunessa | I don't even remember my ICQ number. |
| 20:49.25 | Arrowmaster | ive got an 8 digit icq number from a decade ago |
| 20:49.42 | zenzelezz | Lunessa: I remember mine, sadly |
| 20:49.58 | Lunessa | I shall now drink whiskey in your honor. |
| 20:50.26 | zenzelezz | let me get my Captain Morgan's |
| 20:50.45 | Lopeppeppy | I'm on ICQ right now. Please, get me a case of Morgans. |
| 20:51.08 | Arrowmaster | me too |
| 20:51.21 | Arrowmaster | all my old accounts are still setup in pidgin |
| 20:51.37 | Lunessa | Hrm… something on battle.net/wow/en/ just triggered work's filters… |
| 20:51.39 | Arrowmaster | including my AIM account from back when they were limited to 10 characters long |
| 20:53.18 | zenzelezz | Lunessa: what sort of filters, blocking? |
| 20:53.49 | Lunessa | We're using Ironport. I'm betting the systems team is jacking with me. |
| 20:54.15 | Lunessa | Though it might just be that some ad is triggering the filter. |
| 20:55.21 | Lopeppeppy | Some of those ads have "interesting" keywords. |
| 20:56.01 | cog|work | ~mourn battle.net |
| 20:56.01 | purl | ACTION lights some candles for battle.net |
| 20:56.03 | Lunessa | Ironport's default settings cast a wide net. We've been carefully tweaking things in the interest of academic freedom. |
| 20:56.19 | cog|work | us.battle.net is down |
| 20:56.57 | Lunessa | Ah. they doing a re-direct to another domain for the error page? |
| 20:57.38 | zenzelezz | Lunessa: that didn't really answer my question about what the filter *does* (unless I should be familiar with what Ironport does) |
| 20:58.51 | Lunessa | Ironport is a package hardware/software thing that basically ads content 'awareness' to your network. It allows us to auto-block things like kiddie porn, and other defined things. |
| 20:59.06 | Lunessa | It also checks for know malware vectors. |
| 20:59.39 | Lunessa | But sometimes a sites flash ads can trigger the "this site is blocked" message. |
| 21:00.26 | Lunessa | Or a redirect done in a funky way, or any of dozens of other errors that make it produce the one message it give to users "blocked." |
| 21:01.07 | Sintacks | i wish i could get 4.2GHz out of my processor |
| 21:01.15 | Sintacks | I know it can be done |
| 21:01.20 | Lunessa | http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/ps10164/index.html |
| 21:01.21 | Sintacks | i just don't know how to do it |
| 21:01.21 | Sintacks | :( |
| 21:02.14 | cog|work | use thermodynamics |
| 21:06.53 | Lunessa | But be careful, because you don't want the wham to overheat and cause a reversal in the protonic flow. |
| 21:08.45 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm, tell it to me straight, Scotty. |
| 21:09.02 | Sintacks | i walked right into that |
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| 21:14.19 | Lunessa | LULZ…. http://gawker.com/5877415/jon-stewart-has-some-harsh-words-for-sopa-and-its-sponsors |
| 21:17.44 | Kaylin | I named my stack pancakes and my push/pop functions fry and eat |
| 21:17.51 | Kaylin | my professor is going to be so confused. |
| 21:19.23 | Dagmar | I doubt it. |
| 21:19.50 | Dagmar | Unless you called your push function eat, in which case you just wrote counterintuitive code |
| 21:20.28 | Lopeppeppy | Not allowed to stir-fry the soccer dog down the hall. No matter how much it barks and begs. |
| 21:21.13 | Lunessa | I once found a function named ORAL_SEX with the result code named ORGASM in an accounting sytem. I only found it because there was a call "DO ORAL_SEX UNTIL ORGASM" in the stuff we were trying to update for Y2K. |
| 21:22.15 | Dagmar | Yeah I've got an "isit soup(yet)" out there somewhere |
| 21:22.46 | zenzelezz | I never do fun stuff like that :( |
| 21:22.58 | Kaylin | not about what it does |
| 21:23.06 | Ackis | here I thought I was a badass for naming my tables "butt" and doing wipe(butt) |
| 21:23.11 | Kaylin | just about me in general |
| 21:23.21 | Kaylin | and that's awesome ackis |
| 21:23.37 | zenzelezz | the closest I get are my "// Victory!" and similar comments above the return statements, to be entirely sure it can't be missed among trailing logic |
| 21:24.04 | Lunessa | There was something in one system I worked with in the 80s (in pascal *shudder*) where the programmer had had a fight with his wife over the phone at work. All the variables were named things like "nag," "bitch," and "witch." |
| 21:27.12 | zenzelezz | I remember someone went through the Half-Life SDK and picked out amusing stuff... like one variable called frictionFraction |
| 21:27.17 | pompy | :O the feds jus t took down megaupload |
| 21:27.18 | pompy | http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2012/01/19/feds-shut-down-file-sharing-website/ |
| 21:28.24 | pompy | http://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/justice-department-charges-leaders-of-megaupload-with-widespread-online-copyright-infringement |
| 21:29.32 | AcidWeb | wtf |
| 21:30.11 | AcidWeb | "engaging in a racketeering conspiracy, conspiring to commit copyright infringement, conspiring to commit money laundering," |
| 21:30.14 | AcidWeb | wtf^2 |
| 21:30.40 | pompy | look at the list of ppl |
| 21:30.52 | pompy | none of which are in the us |
| 21:32.03 | pompy | obviously doesnt mean anything tho |
| 21:32.19 | Lunessa | They can still bring charges for crimes they believe are commited in the US and seek extradition. |
| 21:33.02 | AcidWeb | Or just kill them and say nothing ;p |
| 21:33.56 | Dagmar | Yes, clearly we need legislation in place to let that happen with no oversight |
| 21:34.04 | Dagmar | ...because it's just so hard to take pirates offline |
| 21:34.49 | Dagmar | I'm just going to flat out say that Universal is pissed because people actually _were_ using MegaUpload to distribute their own demos and mixes. |
| 21:37.29 | Lunessa | And the analogy the feds willuse in court is that MegaUpload is like a great pizza place that also sold drugs. That any illegal goings on are enough reason that they should never be allowed to sell pizza. |
| 21:39.23 | Dagmar | I'm pretty sure none of the pressure to do anything came until Universal realized they were in a world of legal shit for screwing with MU's ad campaign by striking it from YouTube |
| 21:40.13 | Dagmar | That and the whole theme of the campaign was "Hey indie people, you can distribute your stuff through us for cheap!" |
| 21:40.46 | Dagmar | We can't have people thinking they don't have to sign over everything to a major media outlet just to become famous! |
| 21:51.39 | kd3 | whistles |
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| 21:54.13 | Xuerian | Wow, really? It's getting serious o_0 |
| 21:56.16 | Xuerian | "Online piracy from China" ... |
| 21:56.36 | Xuerian | "We'll take one word from this column, and another word from this column, and then attach a random dollar figure. Genius!" |
| 21:57.45 | Cide | Antiarc: do you still maintain SexyCooldown? |
| 21:57.55 | Dagmar | It's probably bigger than that, but it's not like the .cn registrars will do a thing |
| 21:58.09 | Cide | I'm guessing no |
| 21:58.13 | Antiarc | Cide: Not really; I'm on a WoW break right now. Last I knew though, it was working decently |
| 21:58.53 | Xuerian | Dagmar: It's just.. It's disturbing. Before it was like a looming spectre that you knew these big monoliths would resist changing their business model so adamantly. To actually see it starting to move publicly is different. |
| 21:59.40 | Lunessa | Antiarc: Achievement Unlocked: Hammer Time. |
| 22:00.05 | Dagmar | Xuerian: They are unaware they are starting a war they cannot win |
| 22:00.20 | Antiarc | Lunessa: :D |
| 22:00.32 | Antiarc | Cide: What's broken with it? If it's not major, I could log in and fix it. |
| 22:00.41 | Xuerian | Dagmar: I know, but not to wax poetic, it's like watching the opening scenes of a war in a big fantasy series, like Wheel of Time or Lord of the Rings. |
| 22:01.07 | Xuerian | One that's been building in a few previous books |
| 22:01.18 | Lunessa | I saw your post about it on Google+. I chuckled. Social media makes for a lot of 6 degrees moments. |
| 22:02.05 | nicoli_s | also, why link foxnews eww |
| 22:02.33 | Lunessa | nicoli_s: http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/01/megaupload-indicted-shuttered/ More palatable? |
| 22:02.34 | pompy | nicoli_s: i followed it with the direct press release |
| 22:02.50 | Xuerian | nicoli_s: three tabs to get your name, fuck. Anyway, it's good to see the story being presented to a lot of people, to know what you're up against |
| 22:04.29 | nicoli_s | they took down megaporn too noooooo! |
| 22:04.42 | Kaylin | lol |
| 22:06.31 | cbreak | and you don't know alternatives? |
| 22:07.32 | nicoli_s | no, i could never find porn on the internet before megaporn |
| 22:07.42 | Kaylin | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:07.47 | Kaylin | google's not down today |
| 22:07.52 | Kaylin | I'm sure it can help. |
| 22:07.53 | cbreak | try bing. |
| 22:08.09 | nicoli_s | i only use google to find stuff on wikipedia |
| 22:08.13 | nicoli_s | and bing is just for directions |
| 22:08.20 | cbreak | nicoli_s: here you go: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porn |
| 22:10.58 | nicoli_s | why thank you |
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| 22:22.03 | foxlit | just me or is there a depressing lack of resto druid loot in the twilight heroics? |
| 22:33.44 | Lunessa | I haven't really noticed. I don't play a resto druid. :/ |
| 22:34.14 | Xuerian | foxlit: Haven't leveled my resto druid =| |
| 22:37.45 | nicoli_s | yay new RE |
| 22:38.31 | foxlit | someone is too excited for regular expressions |
| 22:40.38 | Kaylin | not in D2 I assume because |
| 22:40.42 | Kaylin | that would be awesome |
| 22:40.48 | Kaylin | what about regexp now? |
| 22:41.14 | nicoli_s | resident evil |
| 22:41.24 | Kaylin | oic |
| 22:41.53 | nicoli_s | ha, anon is taking down govt sites now |
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| 22:49.43 | Fisker`nosoap | i'm sick and i know it nicoli_s |
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| 22:52.31 | nicoli_s | how do you know |
| 22:52.58 | Fisker`nosoap | huge amounts of puke? |
| 22:54.33 | Maldivia | hmm... so apparently playing with the blur and opacity settings for the terminal window is not good for your Mac :P |
| 22:55.11 | nicoli_s | why would you want a blurry console? |
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| 22:56.02 | Maldivia | I wouldn't... but for some reason, it crashed the windowserver :P |
| 22:58.51 | nicoli_s | ouch |
| 22:59.30 | Xuerian | Is there a way to determine if a mob is a boss, or is that 'worldboss' from UnitClassification? |
| 22:59.58 | Maldivia | see LibBossIds |
| 23:00.39 | Xuerian | Eh, not critical just hiding mana#. Thanks for the tip though |
| 23:00.39 | Maldivia | in short: no, the unit classification for raid bosses just say elite |
| 23:05.12 | Arrowmaster | raid bosses should be worldboss |
| 23:05.22 | Arrowmaster | dungeon bosses would just be elites |
| 23:05.26 | BlackNet | world bosses should be better than they are |
| 23:05.51 | Maldivia | Arrowmaster: but they arent classified as such |
| 23:06.09 | Arrowmaster | well ive not raided in cata but they used to be |
| 23:06.45 | BlackNet | world bosses are on a 72 hour spawn timer and takes about 5-6 people to down them |
| 23:07.00 | BlackNet | one in each of the new zones but 2 in vash |
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| 23:25.45 | Arrowmaster | i followed a link to tvtropes, the rest of my day is ruined |
| 23:32.25 | Kaylin1 | watch me break you |
| 23:32.32 | Kaylin1 | you'll never leave the internet with this one |
| 23:32.33 | Kaylin1 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TV_Tropes |
| 23:33.17 | Kaylin1 | related: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Wiki/Wikipedia?from=Main.Wikipedia |
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| 23:58.11 | Maldivia | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:58.21 | Maldivia | ups |
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