| 00:03.22 | Maldivia | hmm, I can't do any math at 1am apparently... |
| 00:03.28 | Maldivia | ohh well :P |
| 00:04.07 | Maldivia | 1 mill * 5g is 5 tons, not 5000 :) |
| 00:04.21 | Maldivia | I think I'll just go to bed instead |
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| 00:05.04 | Maldivia | before I embarass myself even more |
| 00:05.38 | Mikk | so 3gb shit is basically 5 metric tonnes? |
| 00:05.44 | Mikk | that's a nicely sized shit |
| 00:06.07 | Mikk | i could see how he'd want to flush the toilet after that |
| 00:06.35 | Mikk | coincidentally always refers to rebooting windows as "flushing the toilet" |
| 00:07.02 | Thunder_Child | thats because you have mental issues |
| 00:07.30 | Maldivia | there's a reason it's called a core dump :P |
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| 00:28.59 | scotepi | im rewriting my addon for like 5th time and this time im keeping a notepad open for all my functions and waht they take/return, this is so much esier then before |
| 00:29.07 | scotepi | maybe i dont have to rewrite again |
| 00:52.54 | Mikk | yeah documentation isnt all stupid =P |
| 00:53.19 | scotepi | its making my job a hell of a lost esier just writing the addon |
| 00:53.25 | Mikk | but what usually happens when you are smacked upside the head by the teacher saying "DOCUMENT!" is you end up documenting 75% bollox that's no use |
| 00:53.35 | Mikk | the smart developer documents what's actually useful |
| 00:53.44 | Mikk | less "how" and more "why" and "when" |
| 00:54.02 | scotepi | yeah, good code can document itself |
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| 00:54.34 | scotepi | but the stuff you know you go back and say wtf is that or just the functions that should be used |
| 00:54.57 | scotepi | like i have for example 50 methods, only 10 are in the document, most are one offs for cleaner code |
| 00:55.08 | scotepi | so i dont have 50 nested ifs |
| 00:57.25 | scotepi | im also braking it out into more then 1 file and even more then 1 addon, a 1.5k line file sucks |
| 01:04.06 | Xinhuan | depends... using split view on the same file is about the same as having 2 files open at the same time :P |
| 01:05.15 | Xinhuan | assuming you demarcate sections of your file well, that is, or split the functions into several local subtables |
| 01:05.50 | foxlit | is terrified |
| 01:06.04 | foxlit | "im keeping a notepad open for all my functions and waht they take/return" this should be obvious from function definitions |
| 01:06.41 | scotepi | the returns not so much, mostly the order if it returns more then 1 thing |
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| 01:08.16 | foxlit | function -> look at last line -> should be "return foo, bar, baz" |
| 01:08.54 | scotepi | not when im looking at like 500 and the function is on line 150 |
| 01:08.59 | foxlit | Hey, the click-all-the-things faire is here! |
| 01:11.08 | scotepi | i realy need to figure out how to use notepad++ function sumeries |
| 01:15.52 | Cide | rewriting an addon for the fifth time -> you're doing it wrong |
| 01:16.20 | scotepi | yep.. but its been a learning experaicne and i finaly got it this time |
| 01:16.42 | scotepi | much better method names and dumping usless methods, better error checking |
| 01:22.46 | scotepi | rofl... if ( type(target) == 'nil' ) then target = 'target'; end if ( target == '' ) then target = 'target'; end if not ( target ) then target = 'target'; end |
| 01:22.52 | scotepi | i wonder if i was drunk that night |
| 01:27.27 | Mikk | [That's Not Canon!] <- lul achievement :) |
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| 01:28.56 | Mikk | scotepi: if (target or '') == '' then target='target' end |
| 01:31.02 | mckenziemc | target = 'Mikk' |
| 01:31.10 | scotepi | i ended up using if type(target) == 'nil' or target == '' or not target or target == 'target' then |
| 01:31.21 | Gnarfoz | why |
| 01:31.22 | Xinhuan | do you know that |
| 01:31.25 | Xinhuan | type(target) == 'nil' |
| 01:31.26 | Xinhuan | and |
| 01:31.29 | Gnarfoz | if not target or target == "" then target = "target" end |
| 01:31.30 | Xinhuan | not target |
| 01:31.33 | Xinhuan | is the same thing |
| 01:31.37 | Mikk | well not quite |
| 01:31.42 | Mikk | "not target" will also match target being false |
| 01:31.48 | Gnarfoz | false == nil |
| 01:31.52 | Xinhuan | its the same thing as long as it doesn't contain a boolean value |
| 01:31.53 | scotepi | but i think i could just just do if not target or target == '' |
| 01:32.01 | Mikk | quite so |
| 01:32.13 | Xinhuan | and in his case, i don't think it will ever contain a boolean value |
| 01:32.28 | Mikk | very true, just trying to be thorough since he's learning =) |
| 01:32.41 | scotepi | this is on a slash handler where target can be blank as called from AceConfig-3.0 |
| 01:33.07 | Xinhuan | yeah, so if not target or target == "" then target = "target" end |
| 01:33.10 | Xinhuan | is perfectly fine |
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| 01:42.45 | olafski | weren't we supposed to get 50 conquest for every random BG after the first on a day? :s |
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| 02:40.21 | foxlit | A wild math problem appears |
| 02:40.53 | Cide | DIFFERENTIATE! |
| 02:40.59 | Sintacks | oh god |
| 02:41.05 | foxlit | Suppose I have a list of N work items, and M processes that each can perform a single job per time unit |
| 02:41.32 | Sintacks | no |
| 02:41.53 | olafski | waiting for the punchline |
| 02:42.28 | foxlit | Each process computes a random permutation of the N work items and attempts to do them in that order. |
| 02:42.55 | foxlit | What is the probability, as a function of time, of a process attempting to perform a work item that has already been performed by another process? |
| 02:44.13 | Cide | depends, I guess, on whether or not the process skips to the next item immediately if the current item has already been performed? |
| 02:44.27 | Cide | or if it idles for one unit of time |
| 02:45.16 | Cide | if it idles it should be pretty simple |
| 02:45.25 | Cide | if not it's a lot more complicated I think |
| 02:45.34 | foxlit | Let's model it as idling; though in reality the whole discrete-time model is flawed. |
| 02:46.14 | Cide | is the probability for a given process, or for all processes? |
| 02:46.37 | foxlit | I presume it's the same distribution for each of the M processes by symmetry |
| 02:46.45 | Cide | well I mean |
| 02:47.09 | foxlit | "for a single process" is what I believe the answer to your question is. |
| 02:47.14 | Cide | alright |
| 02:49.14 | foxlit | Hm. So I guess it comes down to "what is the probability that my job entry at time T is the first time that job entry appears in any process' list" |
| 02:49.44 | tem | anyone know anything about the possiblity of upgrading the VP items to heroic ilvl? |
| 02:49.57 | tem | wowhead has heroic versions of those items, but doesn't know where they come from |
| 02:50.15 | foxlit | probably vendors inside the heroic instance? |
| 02:50.25 | foxlit | similar to how they did firelands? |
| 02:50.43 | tem | that's what I'm hoping, but I figured the vendors should have been discovered by now |
| 02:52.54 | Cide | so the work item at time t is essentially a random element R out of {1, 2, ..., N} for a given process, and the probability you seek should be equivalent to the probability that R is in at least one of the M t-tuples consisting of the first t items processed |
| 02:53.01 | Cide | that was hard to formulate |
| 02:56.05 | foxlit | yes, think I agree. |
| 02:56.33 | Cide | so it should be 1 - P(R is not in any of the t-tuples) which should be equivalent to 1 - M*P(R is not in a given t-tuple) since they choose their t-tuples independently |
| 02:57.00 | foxlit | wrong operation, but okay. |
| 02:57.07 | Cide | hm? |
| 02:57.13 | foxlit | should be 1-p^M |
| 02:57.28 | Cide | oh, right |
| 02:57.51 | foxlit | and p = (time - 1)/N |
| 02:57.51 | Cide | and P(R is not in a given t-tuple) should be C(N-1, t)/C(N, t), I think |
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| 02:57.53 | kneeki | Is there an updated version of DevTools? |
| 02:58.41 | Iriel | No, it's built into the game |
| 02:58.52 | kneeki | Oh? |
| 02:59.03 | kneeki | Even that nifty framestack, and /dtchatevent? |
| 02:59.05 | Iriel | has been for a while |
| 02:59.10 | Iriel | well, dtchatevent isn't |
| 02:59.13 | Iriel | but that got sort of broken anyway |
| 02:59.14 | kneeki | aw |
| 02:59.22 | Iriel | but event trace, framestack, and dump are |
| 02:59.42 | kneeki | Oh! |
| 02:59.53 | Cide | are you sure, foxlit? maybe my reasoning is off and it's not C(N-1, t)/C(N, t), but if I'm right that's equivalent to (N - t)/N, not (t-1)/N |
| 03:00.08 | kneeki | How do I toggle framestack? |
| 03:00.11 | Cide | or 1-t/N I guess |
| 03:00.23 | Iriel | kneeki: /framestack, IIRC |
| 03:00.32 | kneeki | !!! |
| 03:00.39 | kneeki | Why, hello there! |
| 03:00.52 | foxlit | Cide: where an entry ends up in the queue should be a uniformly distributed |
| 03:01.07 | foxlit | so it should be something simple divided by the size of the queue. |
| 03:01.46 | Cide | does 1-t/N not fit that? |
| 03:02.17 | foxlit | yes, (N-t)/N works |
| 03:02.26 | foxlit | I was thinking of the complementary event for some reason. |
| 03:03.21 | Cide | C(N-1, t) is the number of t-tuples made out of N-1 elements (say, {1, 2, ..., N} \ {R}) all of which are okay, out of the total number of t-tuples C(N, t) |
| 03:03.25 | Cide | so I think that should be right |
| 03:05.05 | foxlit | so that leaves us with what? |
| 03:06.50 | Cide | should be 1 - ((N-t)/N)^M I think? |
| 03:11.03 | scotepi | is this the proper way to hook a function/method? http://pastebin.com/znX9audM |
| 03:11.04 | foxlit | Seems right. |
| 03:11.14 | foxlit | scotepi: no. |
| 03:13.04 | scotepi | fixed to not use self, insted the hooking object.. is there documentation if i want to simply add some extra processing to a method/function |
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| 03:15.59 | scotepi | i wish wowpedia would get there SEO mojo on, i hate unblocking wowwiki for crap |
| 03:16.26 | foxlit | You should start a blog. |
| 03:16.34 | foxlit | Where you document your addon writing adventures |
| 03:16.39 | foxlit | and link to wowpedia's api docs :) |
| 03:17.38 | Cide | why oh why |
| 03:17.55 | Cide | foo.setArea(bar.getArea("start")) |
| 03:18.03 | Cide | why do you think this is a declaration, c++? |
| 03:18.05 | scotepi | wants to tell foxlit to run into the road... |
| 03:19.04 | foxlit | point is, all those pages are in google's index already. They're just essentially the same as wowwiki's, and wowwiki has had a 6-year head start on incoming link karma. Hence, if you want those results to change, start a blog :) |
| 03:19.27 | scotepi | sure thats what you meant |
| 03:19.38 | Cide | what else would he mean |
| 03:19.49 | foxlit | Cide: foonamespace.setAreClass(bar.getAreArgument("start")) |
| 03:20.22 | foxlit | tbh, C++'s initializer syntax always looks weird to me. string foo("bar") |
| 03:21.21 | Cide | well the shitty part is that the error occurs at the real definition |
| 03:21.27 | Cide | complaining about multiple definitions |
| 03:21.42 | Cide | annoying to debug |
| 03:30.51 | starlon | tilts. |
| 03:32.53 | mckenziemc1 | debugs starlon |
| 03:40.33 | starlon | is impervious to probes. Aliens found out the hard way. |
| 03:41.31 | mckenziemc1 | you're about to find out the hard way that you're mistaken! |
| 03:41.42 | starlon | eeks. |
| 03:42.33 | mckenziemc1 | s/eeks/reeks/ |
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| 03:42.46 | starlon | >.< |
| 03:43.06 | starlon | pokes mckenziemc1 |
| 03:43.21 | mckenziemc1 | dies |
| 03:43.31 | starlon | you made pnorman vanish |
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| 03:45.14 | mckenziemc1 | hey blu |
| 03:45.21 | bluspacecow | hai2u |
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| 03:47.55 | Sintacks | HAI BLU |
| 03:48.39 | Cide | foxlit: minor point, it should probably be 1-((N-t)/N^(M-1) |
| 03:49.07 | Cide | since a process can impossibly have processed the work item itself |
| 03:49.12 | foxlit | yep |
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| 03:52.23 | foxlit | http://www.thedailyblink.com/2011/11/the-new-abilities-symbiosis/ |
| 03:52.32 | foxlit | for some reason, I'm very amused by the "Seal Form" column. |
| 03:53.24 | starlon | Medical Ecstasy. Various disorders, PTSD and Autism. An organization called Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies (MAPS) is working on the studies. Your psychologist would administer the drug during sessions. They used to do that before the drug was banned. The next step is Medical LSD. |
| 03:54.49 | starlon | jests, but not really. |
| 03:56.38 | starlon | I could see the psychologist's office with lava lamps and glow-in-the-dark fish. |
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| 04:53.06 | scotepi | wow is inspecting broken >< even 2 loops doesnt fix it any more.. guess more debuging tomorrow |
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| 05:45.29 | Raimondas | Figures. I go to write my first addon, and I misspell function |
| 05:57.56 | mckenziemc1 | hehe |
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| 06:15.24 | Moolgar | hey, is it possible to make mouseover macro that only work above the default raid frames ? like /cast [@raidframe#] heal ? |
| 06:22.51 | bluspacecow | http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=BgAlQuqzl8o |
| 06:26.23 | Moolgar | lol bluspacecow |
| 06:38.54 | Raimondas | Moolgar: Raid frame addons can provide that functionality but I don't know if the default raid frames have anything like it |
| 06:39.44 | Moolgar | okey, thx Raimondas |
| 06:40.41 | karl_w_w | you can do it with clique |
| 06:41.30 | karl_w_w | just make the macro, bind it to a keyboard key and then blacklist all frames except the raid frames |
| 06:41.41 | karl_w_w | u wont be able to put the macro on your bars though |
| 06:42.24 | karl_w_w | ive never understood why people use mouseover macros though :P |
| 06:42.40 | Moolgar | only need it for dispell karl_w_w |
| 06:42.48 | Moolgar | like dispell curse in rated battleground |
| 06:42.54 | karl_w_w | yeah |
| 06:43.02 | Moolgar | but i tryed clique, sometimes it bug's a little |
| 06:43.07 | karl_w_w | but that requires you to use your keyboard and your mouse at the same time |
| 06:43.09 | Moolgar | on the default raid frames |
| 06:43.14 | karl_w_w | to do 1 thing |
| 06:43.59 | Moolgar | how u sugest dispelling hex on friendly healer fastest way possible ? |
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| 06:44.26 | Moolgar | at least i do it fastest with mouseover macro P; |
| 06:44.59 | karl_w_w | well i would use clique, but idk why it would bug on default raid frames :P |
| 06:45.35 | Moolgar | well, it hapend after 4.3 sometimes it work, and sometimes it totaly stop functioning, like i cant even target ppl |
| 06:46.44 | Moolgar | vhudoo still work tho. but only wanted to try keep little more default to reduse little cpu |
| 06:47.25 | Raimondas | I used to use Decursive, it's pretty lightweight |
| 06:47.31 | Raimondas | before I switched to VuhDo |
| 06:47.55 | Moolgar | hmm, its like same as vhudoo ? unit frames ? |
| 06:50.25 | Moolgar | i'll check it out on curse now :) |
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| 07:32.25 | airtonix | karl_w_w: you are a liar |
| 07:36.43 | mckenziemc1 | airtonix: you are a lyre |
| 07:37.03 | airtonix | your english is sterling old chap |
| 07:37.19 | mckenziemc1 | you're also a tyre |
| 07:40.23 | airtonix | usoundmadbro |
| 07:41.03 | mckenziemc1 | you sound like your strings are going bald |
| 07:41.30 | mckenziemc1 | hence why i'm mad |
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| 08:02.06 | Cairenn | night all |
| 08:02.12 | mckenziemc1 | night |
| 08:13.24 | karl_w_w | whut |
| 08:13.37 | karl_w_w | airtonix explain these outrageious accusations |
| 08:13.46 | karl_w_w | also correct my spelling |
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| 08:59.20 | ccox | now watching L90ETC |
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| 09:06.19 | Sintacks | wow... wowhead looter is using 8MB of addon memory ... |
| 09:06.24 | Sintacks | i need to upload that shit |
| 09:08.05 | bluspacecow | wot. |
| 09:10.17 | Sintacks | 3164 loots in one account... 4150 locations. |
| 09:12.26 | Ackis | lol you just uploaded your keys! teh been logged! |
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| 09:19.44 | bluspacecow | his key's 4150 characters long ? |
| 09:19.46 | bluspacecow | all unique ? |
| 09:19.50 | bluspacecow | thats impressive. |
| 09:20.08 | Sintacks | how long would it take to type a 4150 char password ... |
| 09:20.17 | Ackis | I don't feel good :( |
| 09:23.02 | Dagmar | That depends on how many 'W's are in it. |
| 09:24.38 | Dagmar | If the answer is "4150" then about two minutes and twenty seconds. |
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| 09:34.14 | bluspacecow | ok imma go homes nows |
| 09:34.20 | Sintacks | bao |
| 09:34.21 | Sintacks | bai |
| 09:46.29 | Dagmar | The fire juggler is a little "enthusiastic" in his performance |
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| 10:47.29 | Corrodias2 | i'm rusty on my lua. should this properly hook a function? local m06_start_original; m06_start_original = m06_start; m06_start = function (...) do_thing() m06_start_original(arg) end; |
| 10:48.32 | nevcairiel | seems fine |
| 10:49.18 | Corrodias2 | the internal code in this game is calling m06_start and it's not running do_thing(). i wonder if it is calling the original and not using the global name any more. |
| 10:49.31 | nevcairiel | maybe it cached its own local of it |
| 10:49.58 | Corrodias2 | that is annoying. it doesn't have the debug package, either, so i can't hook jack that way |
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| 10:53.25 | Fisker | nevcairiel |
| 10:56.49 | haste | the debug package is way too powerful for the WoW sandbox |
| 10:57.11 | Corrodias2 | well, i'm messing with another game, although it's probably the ame there |
| 10:57.28 | Fisker | hey haste :( |
| 10:57.47 | haste | hey Fisker |
| 10:58.41 | Fisker | it was hey haste :( |
| 10:59.09 | haste | not my fault you're sad! |
| 10:59.34 | Fisker | it's only your fault |
| 10:59.38 | Fisker | still 5 days to go |
| 10:59.55 | haste | that's nothing, I have like 20 :( |
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| 11:20.15 | airtonix | i don't have any to go!!!!!1111oneoneone!111pony!. |
| 11:24.09 | Fisker | umad airtonix ? |
| 11:30.06 | Sintacks | Fisker y u mad |
| 11:30.19 | Fisker | i no mad |
| 11:30.41 | Sintacks | Y U NO MAD BRA |
| 11:30.49 | Fisker | because i _nomad |
| 11:30.57 | Sintacks | k |
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| 12:09.46 | airtonix | Fisker: home sewing is killing the fashion industry |
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| 12:17.07 | sintAcks | omnomnom ramen |
| 12:39.32 | Fisker | mad airtonix ? |
| 12:39.55 | airtonix | it's a conspiracy |
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