| 00:15.06 | Cide | Fisker: what? |
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| 01:01.26 | Adys | lol |
| 01:01.37 | Adys | blizz survey about blizzcon 2011 directv |
| 01:01.40 | Adys | Which of the following items would you be most interested in having for future BlizzCon online pay-per-view events? |
| 01:01.44 | Adys | Ability to remotely play the games being demoed on the show floor |
| 01:05.59 | Arrowmaster | i could only see it if they partnered with onlive for it |
| 01:08.10 | Thunder_Child | uh, i could see blizz making their own, they dont like using other peoples stuf |
| 01:08.14 | Thunder_Child | f |
| 01:10.26 | Arrowmaster | well the point being that onlive is just about the exact requirements they would need, its kinda hard to make an exact copy without pissing people off |
| 01:11.06 | Arrowmaster | the game files never touching the client system being the requirement, so people cant datamine it |
| 01:11.34 | Thunder_Child | except the ones that datamine it are the ones that get keys anyway |
| 01:20.07 | pompy1 | http://gamerant.com/infinity-ward-dice-battlefield-3-modern-warfare-3-glitchers-tao-117491/ |
| 01:25.05 | Jamash | I' |
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| 01:25.22 | Jamash | I've been thinking that onlive would be perfect for demoing pre-release code that they don't want getting out |
| 01:25.36 | Jamash | I'd sure as hell pay for that blizzcon ticket thing if I could do that |
| 01:29.21 | Corrodias | glitchers AND cheaters? |
| 01:29.29 | Corrodias | well, i've never heard of "glitchers" before |
| 01:29.36 | Corrodias | i assume it's people who... CHEAT using bugs |
| 01:30.37 | Corrodias | but through the entire article, the writer carefully mentions both. as if they're demonstrably different things. |
| 01:31.13 | Arrowmaster | theres people that cheat using bugs and people that run modified code |
| 01:32.19 | pompy1 | Glitcher: A glitcher is someone who consciously takes advantage of the game's environmental flaws (glitches). Glitching allows you to see (and often climb into) structures that should otherwise be unaccessible. |
| 01:32.49 | Corrodias | what, specifically? just using terrain to get to places you shouldn't? |
| 01:33.12 | Corrodias | i guess i can't blame people for wanting to make up a word for that, but there has to be a better one |
| 01:33.33 | Arrowmaster | its an old word |
| 01:34.28 | Corrodias | i don't do pvp games, and that is probably enough to explain why i've never heard it before, assuming WoW playres never use it. |
| 01:34.59 | Arrowmaster | well theres not much glitching to do in wow besides terrain stuff |
| 01:35.18 | Corrodias | i did spend over a year in WoW, with more pvp time than i care to think about, without seeing it. then again, that was over a year ago, and "old" on the internet may not extend back that far. |
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| 01:49.44 | airtonix | Corrodias: "Glitchers(tn), brought to you by the people who choose to say Lag instead of Latency and Glitchy instead of Periodically Random User Interface Response Issue" |
| 01:50.19 | airtonix | "and all those people who think a keyboard only has 9 keys lawlomgbbq" |
| 01:50.49 | Dagmar | In short, motherfuckers who think the internet was new when they got their cablemodem six months ago |
| 01:52.02 | Adys | airtonix: thats 8 keys |
| 01:52.58 | airtonix | Adys: i pity your part of the world that endures a less evolved Short Message Service Text Message Sending Culture |
| 01:53.35 | Adys | dont you live in the same country as me? |
| 01:53.39 | airtonix | Here in paradise, we use 9 keys |
| 01:53.54 | mckenziemc1 | fries airtonix |
| 01:54.01 | Adys | and I use a compose key |
| 01:54.09 | airtonix | Adys: I wasn't aware that you lived in Australia |
| 01:54.23 | Adys | oh, you're worse than i thought. |
| 01:54.31 | airtonix | yes well |
| 01:54.39 | airtonix | i could also count all the other buttons |
| 01:54.47 | airtonix | but that would just be showing off |
| 01:54.55 | Adys | or you could use a COMPOSE KEY |
| 01:54.57 | Adys | BWAHAHA |
| 01:55.02 | airtonix | on a phone? |
| 01:55.06 | Adys | sure |
| 01:55.21 | airtonix | oh ok |
| 01:55.30 | airtonix | anyway |
| 01:55.38 | Adys | im sure xcompose could be ported to android's IMH |
| 01:56.03 | airtonix | i need a 200watt laptop power brick that is nice and small |
| 01:56.30 | airtonix | system76 sells their serval laptops with these monster power bricks |
| 01:56.31 | Adys | ebay? |
| 01:57.12 | mckenziemc1 | make sure you get one with the right connector but wrong voltage |
| 01:57.22 | mckenziemc1 | they're pretty useful |
| 01:57.28 | airtonix | so i hear |
| 01:57.41 | airtonix | Adys: have you used wine recently? |
| 01:57.49 | Adys | I use wine every day |
| 01:57.51 | airtonix | winetricks has evolved |
| 01:57.56 | airtonix | it's nice |
| 01:58.03 | Adys | im aware |
| 01:58.07 | airtonix | i can't wait for it to reach the level of pip |
| 01:58.17 | Adys | yeah, i dont think so |
| 01:58.22 | Adys | its a fucking shell script |
| 01:58.41 | airtonix | does pip support it's bundles feature properly yet |
| 01:59.05 | Adys | I dont know, i stay somewhat away from packaging my libs |
| 01:59.21 | Adys | had a horrible experience trying to package python-mime and python-bna |
| 01:59.27 | Adys | so now my shit is on github for those who care |
| 01:59.30 | airtonix | oh |
| 01:59.56 | airtonix | right now i just rely on useing requirement lists when we deploy websites |
| 02:00.22 | Adys | airtonix: btw my mime lib is pretty neat now |
| 02:00.23 | Adys | https://github.com/Adys/python-mime/tree/master/mime |
| 02:00.36 | airtonix | i need to get onto making django-shop payment plugins for australian banks |
| 02:00.37 | Adys | i started supporting the mime-actions spec |
| 02:00.52 | airtonix | summary please? |
| 02:00.57 | airtonix | in five words |
| 02:01.11 | Adys | applications launched by a mimetype |
| 02:01.15 | airtonix | neat |
| 02:01.34 | airtonix | which desktop environments support it? |
| 02:01.41 | Adys | xdg |
| 02:01.59 | Adys | so all should be supported |
| 02:02.05 | airtonix | ah so xdg-open ./thing-file |
| 02:02.05 | Adys | if they're not, they suck |
| 02:02.09 | Adys | no |
| 02:02.16 | Adys | i replicate xdg-open |
| 02:02.19 | Adys | because its a POS |
| 02:02.43 | Adys | i cant believe that xdg-utils hardcode DE checks on gnome and kde |
| 02:02.54 | Adys | its making my life very difficult trying to fix Razor |
| 02:03.53 | Adys | airtonix: MimeType("text/plain").applications() -> ["kate.desktop", "notepad.desktop"] |
| 02:04.42 | Adys | you can do neat stuff with that |
| 02:04.43 | Adys | eg: |
| 02:04.47 | airtonix | sniffed from .desktop metadata in ~/.local/share/applications and /usr/share/applications ? |
| 02:04.58 | Adys | Ya |
| 02:05.27 | Adys | MimeType.fromUrl("steam://...") -> MimeType("x-scheme-handler/steam"); MimeType("x-scheme-handler/steam").applications() -> ["wine-steam.desktop"] |
| 02:05.37 | airtonix | nice |
| 02:05.48 | Lunessa | Holy crap D3 forums are full of QQ for a game that's not even released yet. |
| 02:05.52 | Adys | Which reminds me, i need to get the wine devs to implement x-scheme-handler integration |
| 02:07.17 | Adys | If you’re old enough to remember Buffy the Vampire Slayer as a lame movie, before it became a hip TV show, you may also recall a promising challenger to Microsoft Word called WordPerfect, which was bought by Novell in 1994. |
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| 02:09.01 | Lunessa | Word Perfect was available earlier than Word. |
| 02:10.06 | Lunessa | And, bonus points… It was one of the few editors available that did paging - you could edit documents that were bigger than your available RAM. |
| 02:10.46 | Lunessa | This was a crucial feature when computers and 256K of RAM. |
| 02:11.03 | Dagmar | Pfft. Rich kids. |
| 02:11.08 | Dagmar | I had to write my own |
| 02:11.11 | Dagmar | ;) |
| 02:11.20 | Lunessa | What, you didn't use PCWrite? |
| 02:11.28 | Dagmar | I had a Commodore 64. |
| 02:11.40 | Lunessa | Did you have the Tape Drive? |
| 02:12.03 | Dagmar | Heck I wrote my own printer driver because I had a professor get all primma-donna about the 5x7 dot-matrix printouts |
| 02:12.20 | Lunessa | You were hardcore, son. |
| 02:12.22 | Adys | back when printing mattered |
| 02:12.35 | Adys | ah whats that? printing still matters? |
| 02:12.39 | Dagmar | I had the tape drive and two 1541s, and then i "upgradeded" to a C128D with it's built-in 1571 and hacked it a bit to add another floppy drive |
| 02:12.41 | Adys | well fml |
| 02:13.24 | Dagmar | If I'd ever gotten busted for hacking they'd have had a hard time convincing a jury I could do anything with that equipment |
| 02:13.25 | Dagmar | Heh |
| 02:13.41 | Lunessa | Dagmar: I was poor. I had to borrow a friends C64 or Atari 400 when I needed computer time. Or pray that the TRS-80 at Radio Shack didn't have a line of people waiting to use it. |
| 02:14.17 | Dagmar | I was still using that C128D until um... 1994 or so |
| 02:14.44 | Dagmar | Maybe 95, 96... I don't really remember |
| 02:14.54 | Lunessa | I had a C128 luggable that I bought from a buddy in college for $200. |
| 02:15.15 | Lunessa | The worst part was finding hard-sectored floppies to use. |
| 02:15.22 | Dagmar | Heh. I was just glad the main version of thing was sturdy enough to hold my TV |
| 02:15.36 | Dagmar | Huh? That's odd. I just formatted mine. |
| 02:15.47 | Dagmar | Oh wait, now I remember. The little hole through the disk |
| 02:15.50 | Lunessa | I had an early model. |
| 02:15.53 | Dagmar | Add one drill. |
| 02:15.54 | Dagmar | :) |
| 02:16.09 | Dagmar | Also the wonderful hole punch for making "flippies" |
| 02:17.05 | Dagmar | I did enjoy buying any damn floppy I pleased once I figured out I could just make the bloody hole |
| 02:17.40 | Dagmar | Heh it's part of the reason it took me a bit to realize what you meant by hard-sectored |
| 02:17.44 | Lunessa | Heh, one of my first consulting gigs, I built a recovery boot floppy for a secretary and handed it to her. I said "Don't lose this, you'll need it if something goes wrong." She stuck it to her cork bard with a pin right through the medium. |
| 02:18.07 | Dagmar | OUch. I used to enjoy messing with people by stapling disks to things. |
| 02:18.17 | Dagmar | Stapled right through the *corner* of course |
| 02:19.01 | Dagmar | I did eventually score a daisywheel printer for my commodore |
| 02:19.08 | airtonix | Adys: all the 200w power things are car inverters :< |
| 02:19.17 | Dagmar | It sounded like a woodpecker was going nuts in my dorm room |
| 02:19.23 | airtonix | i might actually have the smallest 200w laptop power brick |
| 02:22.48 | Lunessa | When I was working at AOL, the woman who burned master CDs to send to duplicators destroyed three multi-disk-burners in like 3 months. My boss thought the machine were just flimsy or failure-prone. So one day, I'm in her office and I notice she has numbers affixed to the drives, when I asked how they were attached, she was using rare-earth magnets. *facepalm* |
| 02:24.27 | Lunessa | So she was wrecking the alignments inside, burning through dozens of CD masters and machines. Getting her to use stickers solved the problem. |
| 02:24.59 | Dagmar | You said "AOL" there, so I'm not suprised. |
| 02:26.32 | Lunessa | Dagmar: Laugh if you will - but in '94 -'97 they were a powerhouse of innovation and technology. |
| 02:26.43 | Dagmar | I *do* find it amusing that she'd gone the extra mile and used rare-earth magnets instead of just recycling those cheap sticker magnets that seem to be attached to every phone book ever made |
| 02:26.49 | Dagmar | Umm... |
| 02:26.52 | Lunessa | Things sort of went down hill after they crushed Compuserve and Genie. |
| 02:27.08 | Dagmar | I'd have said they were a basion of festering insipidness and spam. |
| 02:27.25 | Lunessa | *shrug* I was there. You weren't. |
| 02:27.35 | Dagmar | Of course, you could hear me screaming "Noooooooo...." over in the next county the moment they announced they were getting on the internet. |
| 02:27.51 | Dagmar | No, I ran roughshod over them when they were QuantumLink and didn't notice much changing |
| 02:29.03 | Lunessa | AOL is responsible in large part for build-out of Internet infrastructure prior to DSL and cable systems. And before the Worldcom debacle owned one of the largest backbone providers around. |
| 02:29.47 | Dagmar | The internet got along just fine prior to their glomming on. |
| 02:29.57 | Lunessa | Lots of cool shit happened there. Things went to shit later, and marketing believed that carpet bombing the world was the best way to generate subscribers, but.. hey, it was exciting times for a while. |
| 02:30.47 | Arrowmaster | i still have aol floppies around here somewhere |
| 02:30.50 | Lunessa | Nah, the internet was a private club before. (still is sort of). |
| 02:31.23 | Dagmar | It was a private club that focused on making things work. |
| 02:31.27 | Lunessa | Arrowmaster: I have one in a block of lucite from my first product launch. |
| 02:31.42 | Dagmar | ...not whether or not your screen was filled with the proper level of advertisements. |
| 02:32.01 | Arrowmaster | i got an aol cd in the mail that came in a tin case, used that for hiding porn cds for a while |
| 02:32.06 | Lunessa | Dagmar: Without things like GEnie and AOL, it wouldn't be the internet it is today. Probably not for the better. |
| 02:32.07 | Dagmar | Also, as private clubs go, it was pretty reasonable. If you could figure out how to get on, you were in. |
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| 02:32.42 | Dagmar | I wouldn't assign credit to AOL for things that were primarily funded by people's wanting porno |
| 02:33.03 | Lunessa | Hey… We made that possible for joe-user. *proud* |
| 02:33.15 | Dagmar | Keep in mind that before AOL connected up, we kept spammers in their place by hunting them for sport. |
| 02:34.15 | Lunessa | When working on our usenet reader doing auto-decoding of binaries posted in UUEncoded groups earned the teams annual salary + benefits + costs back in a week. My career was built on porn. |
| 02:34.32 | Dagmar | Now, everyone's email infrastructure costs double or triple what it should. |
| 02:35.20 | Lunessa | That was going to happen as soon as someone, anywhere realized that return of 0.00001% on a near-zero cost delivery system = Millions. |
| 02:35.34 | Dagmar | No, they realized it before. |
| 02:35.59 | Lunessa | And AOL didn't make the Spam Kings; they were just another target. |
| 02:36.01 | Dagmar | There were just enough ruthless bastards around to keep them in check, until they started getting connected by the droves by companies that didn't care how many times you broke the rules |
| 02:36.22 | Dagmar | EFnet _delinked_ their servers after they admitted they couldn't keep the problem users in check. |
| 02:36.46 | Lunessa | No, there weren't enough ruthless bastards. Never were, never will be enough. . |
| 02:37.34 | Dagmar | I'm not joking, there seriously were enough prior to that |
| 02:37.45 | Dagmar | A spammer's TTL could be measured in less than three days. |
| 02:38.00 | Lunessa | I think you're romanticizing. |
| 02:38.01 | Dagmar | SPUTUM regulated on it pretty heavily. |
| 02:38.22 | Dagmar | You either did not spam the crap out of USENET, or we would delete your account. |
| 02:38.25 | Arrowmaster | i know of an irc network that less than 10 years ago glined all of aol until they would assist in keeping problem users off |
| 02:39.01 | Dagmar | We got one dude who'd been at it for a week, by going backwards through all 12+ systems he'd been hiding his origin through. |
| 02:39.24 | Dagmar | ...and this was not a "contact the proper admins" thing. |
| 02:39.40 | Dagmar | This was a "root the server, disable the problem account, leave a note for the admins" sort of thing. |
| 02:40.39 | Dagmar | rec.music.industrial would get 300-400 posts a day, and generally there would just _not_ be spam left alive in it. |
| 02:41.15 | Dagmar | People would either cancelpost it on the spot, or if the spammer was "smart", just go and put a stop to their actions through force majeure |
| 02:42.26 | Arrowmaster | Lunessa: so at what point did it not become profitable for isps to keep running usenet servers? |
| 02:42.54 | Lunessa | Arrowmaster: Don't know. I retired Dec '31, 1999. It was sometime after that. |
| 02:43.35 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: When they started getting most of their porn over http |
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| 02:49.00 | Arrowmaster | grr my usual tv show sources are all dead right now |
| 02:56.24 | Dagmar | Good thing mine has a UPS. :) |
| 02:56.52 | Dagmar | I'm behind. I've still got last night's airing of The Walking Dead to watch |
| 02:57.11 | Dagmar | It might even be in 1080. :) |
| 02:57.50 | Arrowmaster | i found a new xdcc bot |
| 02:58.20 | Dagmar | I just have a DVR. Even though it's MythTV it's still more reliable than warez. heh |
| 02:59.31 | Arrowmaster | i dont have cable so not everything i watch i could record if i had a dvr |
| 03:00.02 | Arrowmaster | although right now everything is from normal stations |
| 03:00.27 | Lunessa | I thought Walking Dead was on A&E or something like that (I don't know, I don't watch it). |
| 03:00.53 | Arrowmaster | i dont watch it either |
| 03:01.18 | Arrowmaster | dont even know what its about |
| 03:02.24 | Lunessa | Zombies. |
| 03:02.35 | Lunessa | I saw the first season on DVD. |
| 03:03.19 | Lunessa | But TV irritates me enough that I don't watch much of it. If a show is ZOMG awesome, I'll catch it on DVD or OnDemand or Hulu or something later. |
| 03:04.46 | Arrowmaster | so you dont watch castle every week like i do? are you crazy or something? |
| 03:05.31 | Lunessa | I watch it. But I usually do it on Hulu since it is on Monday nights where I work until it's over. |
| 03:05.37 | Lunessa | And no, I don't DVR. |
| 03:05.42 | Lunessa | Because I'm cheap. |
| 03:05.47 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster: i watch it a season at a time |
| 03:06.01 | Arrowmaster | im watching it right now because it just finished downloading |
| 03:06.19 | Lunessa | The wife of one of my best friends is a writer on the show, so even if I didn't love the show, I'd watch it. |
| 03:08.27 | Lunessa | But I love the show. Nearly every character on it is someone I am interested in. |
| 03:09.07 | Dagmar | Well, yeah it's a zombie apocalypse show focusing on what happens to people who have to live there |
| 03:09.07 | Arrowmaster | the recent bank episode was a great way to mix the show up a little from its usual |
| 03:09.54 | Lunessa | I wasn't so fond of that episode, really. |
| 03:10.32 | Dagmar | I DVR because I'm too lazy to get in front of the TV when stuff is airing |
| 03:10.43 | Dagmar | I frequently have other things to do |
| 03:10.50 | Arrowmaster | im too lazy to put up with commercials |
| 03:11.02 | Dagmar | Being able to skip over those is a plus |
| 03:25.23 | airtonix | Adys: how bad is nepotism in your country? |
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| 03:25.36 | airtonix | country/region |
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| 03:45.11 | bluspacecow | oh hai |
| 03:45.57 | bluspacecow | Cairenn look http://chzgifs.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/funny-gifs-a-tiny-parliament-of-owlets.gif |
| 03:45.58 | Thunder_Child | oh loh |
| 03:46.10 | Cairenn | awww |
| 03:48.56 | bluspacecow | oh hai2u seerah |
| 03:49.09 | Seerah | hi2u2, blu :) |
| 03:49.31 | Thunder_Child | Grammar Nazi is very unhappy now |
| 03:49.50 | Lunessa | When is Grammar Nazi ever happy, exactly? |
| 03:49.56 | Arrowmaster | http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Hewlett+Packard+-+600282-B21+640+GB+Internal+Solid+State+Drive/4243503.p?id=1218463754945&skuId=4243503 |
| 03:50.01 | Arrowmaster | why do they even carry that |
| 03:50.50 | Thunder_Child | good question |
| 03:51.38 | pompy1 | sold out online? :O |
| 03:51.55 | pompy1 | its from a 3rd party merchant. |
| 03:52.01 | Lunessa | $14K price point. |
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| 04:01.41 | Dagmar | Because someone might eventually be just that stupid |
| 04:03.02 | pompy1 | http://www.facebook.com/ApSci/posts/10150469299615605 truth |
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| 04:16.08 | Lunessa | Seerah: I'm confused about what that "Starfox" guys talking about |
| 04:16.40 | Seerah | if you look at the screenshots, he has modded a private version of wow to create a flight game |
| 04:17.23 | Lunessa | Ahh. 3D models and a game in the game. |
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| 04:19.19 | Seerah | Lunessa: ahh... now I see what he's done. He put up a new screenshot. He should have used that one in the first place. |
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| 04:23.17 | Lunessa | Ahhhh nothing like sending out the nightly server status report to get back half the list saying "I'm on vacation sucker!" |
| 04:26.02 | Thunder_Child | last time i went 'on vacation' i ended up doing remote work |
| 04:28.48 | Lunessa | I took the iPad with me to BlizzCon, just in case I had to remote in and work. Luckily, I didn't have to. |
| 04:30.50 | Lunessa | And g'night all. |
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| 05:10.35 | Torhal | Uh…alrighty, then; https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-BsNd3vw6fuY/TieWulJWb7I/AAAAAAAACbc/LT8fnUqM9MI/62037b5ajw1djd4sjciexg.gif |
| 05:19.00 | Arrowmaster | http://i.imgur.com/yZulN.jpg |
| 05:19.33 | kd3 | wth? |
| 05:19.41 | Thunder_Child | really Arrowmaster? |
| 05:19.50 | Arrowmaster | not mine |
| 05:20.12 | Arrowmaster | felicia day linked it on G+ |
| 05:25.53 | Mr_Rabies | http://youtu.be/93W6mB0ZqCM |
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| 05:41.27 | bluspacecow | fisker |
| 05:42.27 | bluspacecow | this makes me sad : http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3595344000?page=1#1 |
| 05:45.38 | Dagmar | I think the cabbages know. |
| 05:45.59 | Arrowmaster | thats when you call the isp and demand a replacement |
| 05:46.01 | Dagmar | That *way* looks like the work of the arrow 'sploit from Oblivion, tho'. Heh |
| 05:46.31 | Dagmar | It didn't _just_ dupe items... it sprayed them all over the damn room. |
| 05:46.38 | bluspacecow | wait |
| 05:46.44 | bluspacecow | is that a sploit to do with arrows |
| 05:46.51 | bluspacecow | or a sploit by arrow ? |
| 05:47.09 | Arrowmaster | i didnt play oblivion much |
| 05:47.14 | Arrowmaster | so not me |
| 05:47.23 | bluspacecow | *giggles* |
| 05:47.26 | Dagmar | You'd pull your bow out and notch an arrow, then switch to the inventory and swap to using an item IIRC |
| 05:47.32 | farmbuyer | bluspacecow: those ping times make me think of "IP Over Carrier Pigeon" results |
| 05:47.43 | bluspacecow | yeah like damn |
| 05:47.43 | Dagmar | You'd exit back out and it would try and "fire" the item you selected, multiplied by the number of arrows you had. |
| 05:48.01 | Dagmar | Either that modem is ruined or the guy seriously needs a new network cable |
| 05:48.20 | Dagmar | If he weren't using a crap operating system I'd say run ifconfig and look at the Tx/Rx error count |
| 05:49.05 | Dagmar | ...but 24000ms to 32000ms is consistenly high-as-heck enough I'd still consider the modem extremely suspect |
| 05:49.57 | Dagmar | There's no drivers for that guy to find. It's essentially a tiny linux box. |
| 05:51.33 | clever | 24 second pings, it sounds more like the buffer in the modem/router are too big for the modems speed |
| 05:51.44 | Dagmar | It's also altogether possible he needs to to stop pinging the management interface on the thing |
| 05:51.55 | Dagmar | The priority for the box to respond to those is generally really low |
| 05:52.08 | Dagmar | If it's doing "something management-y" it can easily start going high ping, if it bothers to respond at all |
| 05:52.17 | Dagmar | We see that with the cisco switches at work |
| 05:52.56 | Arrowmaster | people actually use cisco switches? |
| 05:52.58 | clever | Dagmar: do you got any tips on how i can do some proper public/private key signing in javascript and php? |
| 05:53.11 | clever | Arrowmaster: i used mine till 3 of the fans ceased to function |
| 05:53.21 | Dagmar | clever: large quantities of math |
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| 05:53.52 | Dagmar | ...or just be sane about it and use a php script to call something that won't suck at hte math |
| 05:53.54 | clever | Dagmar: ive found a js lib to encrypt, but it doesnt store the keys in a standard format, just a big array of ints |
| 05:53.57 | Arrowmaster | i thought they were way too expensive compared to the other enterprise level switches |
| 05:54.00 | clever | and i'm not sure on the signing part, just encrypt an md5? |
| 05:54.24 | clever | for the php side, i can use the proper tools, but not on the JS side |
| 05:54.37 | clever | and id need to convert the array of ints over to something the proper tools can accept |
| 05:55.01 | Dagmar | I hesitate to even ask, but why is it that you're not just using SSL and client certificates? |
| 05:55.14 | Dagmar | ...because it really sounds like you're reinventing the wheel. |
| 05:55.29 | Dagmar | Authenticating the browser to the server is a solved problem |
| 05:55.40 | clever | i'm trying to make it transparent and per-computer |
| 05:55.51 | Dagmar | So? |
| 05:56.01 | Dagmar | This is what client certificates are for |
| 05:56.10 | clever | is it posible to generate a client cert automaticaly without the user knowing? |
| 05:56.27 | Dagmar | No, and it would be thoroughly insane to botehr. |
| 05:56.58 | Dagmar | You just have to gin up a certificate and hand it to the browser and the user gets a button that says "Store this. Derp." |
| 05:57.00 | clever | its only needed from within a firefox extension, so i have more then normal control of the browser |
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| 05:57.35 | clever | dont like the thought of generating the certs server side, it kinda breaks the whole idea of the 'private key' being private |
| 05:57.53 | Dagmar | So... |
| 05:58.11 | Dagmar | You can't trust yourself to generate a cert to your browser? |
| 05:58.31 | Dagmar | This poses somewhat of a problem |
| 05:58.46 | clever | then there is the problem of getting the cert from the server to the end-user, while dealing with any men-in-the-middle |
| 05:58.58 | Dagmar | You haz SSL. |
| 05:59.08 | clever | id need to give them the cert over https, and i dont have a signed cert for my server |
| 05:59.18 | Dagmar | Trust gotta start somewhere. |
| 05:59.50 | Dagmar | openssl has many wonders to show you, man |
| 06:00.02 | clever | only options i can think of are to either embed my server cert into the extension and auto-register it, or to just buy a proper cert for my domain |
| 06:00.12 | mckenziemc1 | i wouldn't trust Dagmar |
| 06:00.41 | Dagmar | Ssl certs aren't cheap but the first part is possible |
| 06:00.55 | Arrowmaster | you can get one for like $10 a year cant you |
| 06:00.56 | Dagmar | ...but that's where afaik you'd be doing a fsckton of math |
| 06:01.28 | clever | i know you can generate a self-signed cert via openssl tools, and then just tell firefox to trust the thing |
| 06:01.32 | clever | skip all the math |
| 06:01.54 | clever | and via an extension, i may be able to bypass the UI and just register it as a trusted cert |
| 06:02.08 | Dagmar | Um, that you won't be able to do |
| 06:02.17 | clever | why not? |
| 06:02.30 | Dagmar | I am somewhat astonished to see that Netsol has 'em for $13/year. |
| 06:02.34 | Dagmar | There's gotta be a catch |
| 06:02.55 | Dagmar | clever: because all hell would break loose if extentions were allowed to install _trusted_ certs without user approval |
| 06:03.00 | clever | extensions basicaly have root level access to firefox, they can do anything that firefox can normaly do to itself |
| 06:03.36 | clever | yeah, thats the main reason for the review process on addons.mozilla.org and why firefox gives a giant warning when you install one |
| 06:03.54 | clever | once you accept to install the extension, it can do whatever it wants |
| 06:04.59 | Dagmar | I *am* kinda wondering what the deal is with Green "security" Address bar: NO. |
| 06:05.59 | Dagmar | Ah... now I see |
| 06:07.19 | clever | extensions all run in the same secuity context as the core firefox UI, so once i find the right function call, there is nothing to stop my extension from accepting a self-signed cert |
| 06:07.39 | Dagmar | Good luck with that but it seems unnecessary |
| 06:07.57 | Dagmar | At that level you should be able to tell it to use your keystore |
| 06:08.29 | clever | i may also be able to override accepting the cert without adding it to the trusted list |
| 06:08.46 | clever | to just accept it on my domain, without causing security problems for all other https sites |
| 06:09.54 | Arrowmaster | probably less intrusive to just add it to the trusted list |
| 06:10.04 | clever | as it is now, i have to deal with users who can bearly even remember their name/pw half the time |
| 06:10.19 | clever | some of the time, they forget it before even the first login attempt |
| 06:10.42 | clever | adding another 2 steps to the install process (2 ssl certs) wont help things |
| 06:11.07 | Dagmar | Well, at least $13/year is pretty reasonable |
| 06:11.21 | clever | that just cuts it down to 1 step |
| 06:11.28 | clever | still need the client ssl cert installed |
| 06:12.46 | clever | i'll have to take a look at how it works and if php can detect which client cert is being used |
| 06:13.53 | Dagmar | That is the point of them |
| 06:16.38 | clever | ah, it seems php already has the openssl lib right in it |
| 06:16.54 | clever | that can handle half of it :) |
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| 06:29.44 | pompy | no patch tomorrow http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert |
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| 07:39.35 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: http://i.imgur.com/fDRhC.jpg |
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| 08:09.02 | karl_w_w | is it just me that's disturbed by the fact that there are $2000 desks in the world? |
| 08:09.05 | Cairenn | Night all |
| 08:09.21 | Maldivia | night |
| 08:09.27 | karl_w_w | who has that kind of money? for that I'd want the desk out of the oval office |
| 08:09.30 | Corrodias | well, a big chunk of nice wood... |
| 08:09.41 | Corrodias | with pleasant designed carved into it |
| 08:09.44 | Maldivia | karl_w_w: $2000 that sounds cheap |
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| 08:10.02 | bluspacecow | nah for that price it would actually have a peasant in it |
| 08:10.13 | bluspacecow | like an actual stuffed one encased in the wood |
| 08:10.33 | karl_w_w | lol |
| 08:10.54 | Maldivia | w |
| 08:11.11 | Maldivia | what should one cost then, at max? |
| 08:12.14 | clever | Dagmar: uh oh, forgot about a minor detail, https and shared hosting :S |
| 08:13.12 | clever | looks like both the client and server need to support Server Name Indication to get arround that problem |
| 08:16.43 | Fisker | bluspacecow |
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| 08:17.46 | bluspacecow | yessym |
| 08:19.56 | mckenziemc1 | messy? |
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| 08:23.13 | Fisker | hey bluspacecow |
| 08:24.01 | bluspacecow | 'sup |
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| 08:31.36 | clever | Dagmar: looks like the hosting company has vhost's completely disabled on port 443 :( |
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| 08:52.03 | karl_w_w | how big is a castor? like 3cm? |
| 08:59.58 | karl_w_w | so the login screen says "Some individual realms may require additional maintenance and not be available until after this timeframe. For additional information please visit our Service Status forum." you go to the service status forum and it says less than the login screen does |
| 09:00.16 | mckenziemc1 | lol |
| 09:01.43 | karl_w_w | blizzard finding new ways to troll every week :P |
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| 09:02.28 | clever | i dont think they have learned what 'rolling restart' means either |
| 09:02.42 | clever | your supposed to have just a few down at once, not the whole bloody network :P |
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| 09:12.56 | karl_w_w | they do have a few down at once |
| 09:13.33 | karl_w_w | i do cross faction bgs, and u can see the restarts go around each one :P |
| 09:13.44 | karl_w_w | s/faction/realm/ |
| 09:14.02 | clever | karl_w_w: i usualy try to login in the morning and find EVERY SINGLE realm is offline |
| 09:14.04 | karl_w_w | takes the whole hour but each one is 10 minutes tops |
| 09:14.16 | clever | i cant even start an alt on a realm i havent heard of to get my fix :P |
| 09:14.18 | karl_w_w | well if it's maintenance :P |
| 09:14.22 | karl_w_w | or the login servers are down |
| 09:27.58 | airtonix | hoho |
| 09:28.04 | airtonix | down to 10.3mil |
| 09:28.08 | airtonix | Fisker: umad? |
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| 09:29.36 | Fisker | you are mad airtonix |
| 09:29.47 | airtonix | i know |
| 09:29.51 | airtonix | i'm awesome |
| 09:29.54 | airtonix | mad skillz |
| 09:31.44 | Thunder_Child | who the hell schedules a beta testing weekend on thanksgiving? |
| 09:33.22 | karl_w_w | how do people sell sands of time for less than vendor price? |
| 09:38.46 | pnorman | goblin discounts? |
| 09:39.39 | nevcairiel | Its thanks giving next weekend? Awesome, maybe the swtor servers won't be flooded then |
| 09:39.49 | airtonix | karl_w_w: how? by clicking the sell button. |
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| 09:40.03 | Thunder_Child | nevcairiel: assuming the test is next weekend since it doesnt have a date |
| 09:43.29 | nevcairiel | You have to go to the beta forums, it has times and dates and other details |
| 09:44.21 | nevcairiel | 10am cst, 11/25 |
| 09:44.34 | karl_w_w | even lower than full discount pnorman |
| 09:45.03 | karl_w_w | 8 for 15k |
| 09:45.08 | clever | karl_w_w: maybe they didnt set the lower limit properly in the AH addon and its just undercutting too far |
| 09:46.54 | clever | or they just have too many on hand and want to get rid of the crap |
| 09:47.59 | Thunder_Child | nevcairiel: sounds about right since i am going to be out of town |
| 09:49.13 | karl_w_w | they sell them in trade :P |
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| 09:59.14 | Fisker | Thunder_Child |
| 09:59.20 | Fisker | people who don't want their servers to be tested |
| 09:59.25 | Fisker | did you know? |
| 09:59.30 | Fisker | When you sign up for the beta using the key |
| 09:59.41 | Fisker | you actually have to confirm(rvsp) it later |
| 09:59.46 | Fisker | otherwise you won't get access |
| 10:00.05 | Fisker | apparently entering a cd-key was not a declaration of intent |
| 10:00.16 | Fisker | I mean Steam should adopt that business model |
| 10:00.17 | Fisker | sell games |
| 10:00.23 | Fisker | don't deliver until the customer asks for it |
| 10:03.23 | amro | well, they don't. you have to start downloading |
| 10:03.44 | Corrodias | cute |
| 10:06.06 | Fisker | Steam asks you to install your new games |
| 10:06.07 | Fisker | so bam |
| 10:06.35 | Fisker | doesn't quietly say you have to go to some unknown website to confirm that you want to have the game that you paid for |
| 10:10.25 | amro | you paid for the beta? |
| 10:11.10 | Fisker | umad amro ? |
| 10:12.25 | amro | yes |
| 10:12.32 | amro | QFileSystemWatcher is a POS |
| 10:14.12 | Kalroth | qq |
| 10:14.21 | Fisker | y u qq? |
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| 10:25.45 | Cide | Fisker: get your achievement? |
| 10:26.21 | Fisker | nope |
| 10:27.09 | Cide | noob |
| 10:27.13 | Cide | come farm gold with me |
| 10:27.21 | Fisker | i've farmed over 10k gold |
| 10:27.23 | Fisker | so no |
| 10:27.29 | Cide | FARM MOAR |
| 10:27.31 | Fisker | nope |
| 10:27.35 | Cide | MOAR |
| 10:27.48 | Fisker | i'm assuming that the game will not acknowledge my 10k since i have surpassed them |
| 10:27.51 | Fisker | same as the elites |
| 10:27.55 | Fisker | so i will not farm moar |
| 10:29.29 | Cide | farm more? |
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| 10:29.45 | Fisker | no! |
| 10:29.50 | Cide | but y |
| 10:31.01 | Cide | if it's per character |
| 10:31.05 | Cide | just farm 10k on another character? |
| 10:31.05 | Fisker | hisses |
| 10:31.12 | Fisker | nothankyou.jpg |
| 10:31.21 | Cide | takes like 4 clears of cathedral |
| 10:31.22 | Fisker | i'm a snake |
| 10:31.26 | Fisker | mad? |
| 10:31.33 | Cide | cuz bad yes |
| 10:31.50 | Cide | launch d3 and idle in my game imo |
| 10:31.53 | Cide | for elite coop kills |
| 10:34.39 | Fisker | e-mail pls |
| 10:34.47 | Cide | eandre@gmail |
| 10:34.51 | Cide | DOT COM |
| 10:35.55 | bluspacecow | oh cide |
| 10:36.00 | bluspacecow | so forward of you |
| 10:36.05 | bluspacecow | *blush* |
| 10:36.18 | Cide | indeexd |
| 10:36.27 | Cide | indeexd. |
| 10:36.35 | Fisker | you should say hi to a fisker |
| 10:36.50 | bluspacecow | hi to a lisker |
| 10:36.51 | Cide | did not get a popup |
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| 10:50.59 | airtonix | can't find email address at eandre@gmailDOTCOM <gmailDOTCOM is not a valid domain> |
| 10:51.29 | airtonix | umad cide? |
| 10:51.49 | Cide | who said you should append DOTCOM to what I wrote on a separate line? |
| 10:52.14 | airtonix | who said you should put on a separate line |
| 10:52.34 | bluspacecow | boys boys boys |
| 10:52.41 | bluspacecow | just kiss and make up :D |
| 10:55.57 | karl_w_w | kisses airtonix |
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| 10:57.07 | bluspacecow | hai2u xinny |
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| 10:59.53 | Fisker | jesus Cide |
| 10:59.57 | Fisker | now my account bugged again |
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| 11:03.36 | Fisker | anyway see you in a few days then Cide |
| 11:04.10 | Cide | what do you mean? |
| 11:04.29 | Fisker | i can't create or join games now |
| 11:04.32 | Cide | gj |
| 11:04.55 | Fisker | i think it must be auction house related |
| 11:05.05 | Fisker | because the last time it happened i had just sold my stuff on the AH |
| 11:05.17 | Fisker | and i just sold some fallen teeth on the AH before |
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| 11:17.35 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: your account seems to have many issues |
| 11:17.39 | jnwhiteh | you're always d/c ing |
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| 11:20.39 | Fisker | umad jnwhiteh? |
| 11:20.41 | Fisker | i'm mad |
| 11:20.45 | jnwhiteh | k |
| 11:20.52 | Fisker | apparently they won't be stocking the Galaxy Nexus here until december :( |
| 11:23.12 | bluspacecow | i'm rad fisker |
| 11:25.50 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: I'm considering upgrading to a Nexus S |
| 11:25.57 | Fisker | no jnwhiteh |
| 11:25.58 | Fisker | no! |
| 11:26.01 | jnwhiteh | just because of the price difference |
| 11:26.06 | Fisker | get sgs2 then |
| 11:26.10 | jnwhiteh | and people will be getting rid of theirs |
| 11:26.19 | jnwhiteh | sgs2 isn't oem unlockable, is it? |
| 11:27.08 | Fisker | no |
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| 11:29.26 | bluspacecow | hai2u xinny |
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| 11:32.44 | amro | nice going bluspacecow |
| 11:32.53 | bluspacecow | ? |
| 11:33.17 | starlon | A lady was picking through the frozen turkeys at the grocery store, but couldn't find one big enough for her family. She asked the stock boy, "Do these turkeys get any bigger?" The stock boy answered, "No ma'am, they're dead." |
| 11:33.20 | bluspacecow | i didn't mean it :( |
| 11:34.00 | amro | it's cocks that get bigger, not turkeys |
| 11:34.47 | Fisker | bluspacecow |
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| 11:38.04 | harl | hello |
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| 13:17.15 | Fisker | https://code.google.com/intl/da/speed/webp/docs/webp_lossless_alpha_study.html <-damn hakery |
| 13:22.55 | Fisker | so Cide |
| 13:22.57 | Fisker | just leaving me? |
| 13:23.48 | Cide | I gave up |
| 13:23.54 | Cide | you were afk |
| 13:24.03 | Fisker | yeah |
| 13:24.08 | Fisker | you told me to idle in your game :O |
| 13:24.10 | Fisker | also |
| 13:24.15 | Fisker | almost got 90k now btw |
| 13:24.26 | Maldivia | still no achievement? |
| 13:24.27 | haste | give me some of that free time plox |
| 13:24.45 | Fisker | oh it was from auctions |
| 13:31.17 | Fisker | anyway Maldivia i'm not playing until they fix the bug |
| 13:31.27 | Fisker | well i'm not playing for the achievements i mean |
| 13:43.49 | Stanzilla | Fisker: why so volume bug |
| 13:43.56 | Fisker | ? |
| 13:44.09 | Fisker | you mean the GN? |
| 13:44.14 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 13:44.46 | Fisker | Don't use a 2G phone operating on the 900MHz frequency band within a few inches of the phone |
| 13:45.07 | Stanzilla | severe problem! |
| 13:45.10 | Fisker | very |
| 13:45.19 | Stanzilla | also, can you lend me a few crafting mats in d3 pls? :( |
| 13:45.26 | Fisker | i don't have any |
| 13:45.31 | Stanzilla | =( |
| 13:45.42 | Fisker | i got 90k gold though |
| 13:46.39 | Stanzilla | so you can buy me crafting mats? :D |
| 13:46.48 | Fisker | i could |
| 13:46.50 | Fisker | but i won't |
| 13:47.01 | Stanzilla | meany :( |
| 13:47.03 | Fisker | bam? |
| 13:47.04 | Fisker | bam! |
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| 13:58.55 | Fisker | there Stanzilla |
| 13:58.58 | Fisker | dreams = shattered |
| 13:59.30 | Stanzilla | indeed |
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| 14:24.36 | karl_w_w | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sxN1npZ-9k <- Fisker, have you ever seen such an epic video? |
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| 14:48.21 | Ackis | http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k497/animalsbeingdicks/abd-160.gif |
| 14:48.22 | Ackis | tehehehehe |
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| 15:29.50 | Maldivia | brrr |
| 15:30.13 | mukunda | how much work would it be to add another bar to shadowed raid frames |
| 15:32.29 | mukunda | hmm it seems its pretty easy to expand |
| 15:33.23 | Maldivia | try, and you'll find out :) |
| 15:34.28 | mukunda | i hope new bar scripts magically appear in the config window after some kind of registering |
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| 15:48.11 | Ackis | any resto druids around? |
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| 16:01.01 | Stanzilla | the op class channel is next door |
| 16:03.24 | nevcairiel | i used to be a resto druid, so if you want 6 month old infos ... :p |
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| 16:16.14 | Cide | what Stanzilla said |
| 16:16.21 | Cide | but NEXT PATCH HOLY PRIESTS ARE BACK IN BUSINESS |
| 16:17.08 | nevcairiel | I'm quite curious how they want to pull off monk healing, supposedly healing competetively without once targeting a friendly player, or so i heard |
| 16:17.09 | Fisker | D3 patch pls Cide |
| 16:17.14 | Cide | ypls |
| 16:17.28 | Cide | nevcairiel: also known as resto druid LOL |
| 16:17.41 | nevcairiel | ah, the bitterness of a priest |
| 16:17.45 | Cide | but yeah, sounds like that will be difficult :( |
| 16:18.14 | nevcairiel | could be interesting |
| 16:18.17 | Cide | either it will be too easy or too random I think |
| 16:18.30 | Cide | I want to decide who I heal, not have every spell be the equivalent of CoH |
| 16:18.47 | nevcairiel | well not every class is for everyone, i suppose |
| 16:19.08 | cogwheel | atonement with fists imo |
| 16:20.05 | Fisker | hey cogwheel |
| 16:20.20 | cogwheel | Fisker: i want to go home and download SWTOR |
| 16:20.33 | nevcairiel | dont worry, the page is overloaded right now anyway |
| 16:20.42 | Fisker | go home and download SWTOR cogwheel |
| 16:20.51 | cogwheel | Fisker: i want my job more |
| 16:21.03 | Fisker | remote home and download SWTOR cogwheel |
| 16:21.08 | cogwheel | this is what VNC is for |
| 16:21.18 | Fisker | siriproxy home and download SWTOR cogwheel |
| 16:21.25 | nevcairiel | I think its really funny how all the americans are "QQ, beta at thanks giving, i hate you" |
| 16:21.38 | cogwheel | nah only the kids |
| 16:21.59 | cogwheel | the rest of us get to say NO to family :P |
| 16:21.59 | Fisker | because their parents are all like "NO PC FOR YOU YOUNG LADY" |
| 16:22.20 | Kraps_w | beta of what |
| 16:22.25 | nevcairiel | swtor |
| 16:22.36 | cogwheel | betta of fish |
| 16:23.32 | Fisker | i must thank them for preaching insecurity though |
| 16:23.42 | Fisker | thanks for making me make up 5 different answers for SQ/SA's |
| 16:24.06 | nevcairiel | I hate those things, i think they are pointless |
| 16:24.37 | Fisker | they are |
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| 16:25.21 | Kraps_w | correct horse battery staple |
| 16:26.26 | cogwheel | mistaken donkey capacitor tape |
| 16:26.50 | bluspacecow | Lolz |
| 16:27.12 | Cide | flux capacitor delorean win |
| 16:27.33 | nevcairiel | I especially hate how all those questions are "Your favorite...". Did they ever consider that my favorite movie might change, or my favorite author, how the hell are those helpful in restoring your account? |
| 16:28.07 | nevcairiel | Wonder if i can just put the same password as answer for all questions. :P |
| 16:28.07 | Fisker | well nevcairiel |
| 16:28.12 | Fisker | obviously you will update them! |
| 16:28.20 | Fisker | nope nevcairiel |
| 16:28.29 | Fisker | infact if you put any passwordly thingy in there it just craps |
| 16:28.38 | nevcairiel | wah |
| 16:28.44 | Fisker | but if it doesn't it won't accept it as it has to be 5 different answers |
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| 16:29.06 | Fisker | i started with a 10-character letter/numbers/special characters password x5 |
| 16:29.11 | Fisker | just went to the front page |
| 16:29.32 | Fisker | after spending like an hour thinking that it was because it accepted it i just wrote "dickbutts" in all of them and it said it couldn't be the same |
| 16:29.52 | bluspacecow | Does it multiple rude Swedish words in it ? |
| 16:29.57 | Stanzilla | a friend of mine used ww2 leader names |
| 16:30.03 | Stanzilla | for all the answers |
| 16:30.34 | nevcairiel | sucks if they really ask those question when you login from some place else or something |
| 16:30.48 | nevcairiel | give me an authenticator or something, jeez |
| 16:30.53 | Kraps_w | Fisker: how embarrassing will it be if you have to call them up and say "dickbutts"? |
| 16:31.13 | Stanzilla | not very |
| 16:31.19 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 16:31.30 | Fisker | i should've written FUS RO DAH instead |
| 16:31.54 | cogwheel | U MAD BRO in fiskerish? |
| 16:32.19 | Fisker | no cogwheel |
| 16:32.47 | Fisker | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bn40gUUd5m0 |
| 16:32.57 | Fisker | so i would phone them up and say "FUS RO DAH" |
| 16:33.13 | Kraps_w | thats cool though |
| 16:33.17 | cogwheel | i have that game! |
| 16:33.27 | Arrowmaster | http://ppsh-41.tumblr.com/post/13145143504/entire-tamriel-landmass-built-into-skyrim |
| 16:33.52 | Kraps_w | waiting for it to go on sale |
| 16:33.55 | nevcairiel | haha, i just copy pasted the question into the answer, and it worked. :P |
| 16:34.18 | Kraps_w | lol |
| 16:35.27 | cogwheel | Kraps_w: aside from wow expansions, this is probably the closest i've ever bought a game to its release |
| 16:35.57 | Fisker | what is cogwheel ? |
| 16:36.06 | cogwheel | skyrim. got it Saturday |
| 16:36.48 | mukunda | f9 is your friend |
| 16:37.02 | Fisker | then how did you not get the fus ro dah reference? |
| 16:37.25 | bluspacecow | Maybe he slow today |
| 16:37.26 | Kraps_w | ahhhhhhh ACR is in 2 weeks |
| 16:37.40 | Kraps_w | i'm bad at counting |
| 16:38.13 | Kraps_w | week and a half |
| 16:40.23 | bluspacecow | I have my slow days from time to time |
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| 16:47.11 | Lunessa | station |
| 16:47.29 | Kraps_w | wagon |
| 16:49.38 | olafski | wasn't ACR released last week? |
| 16:49.47 | Arrowmaster | on consoles |
| 16:49.52 | olafski | ah |
| 16:49.57 | olafski | I thought it was generally more like 6 months later on PC |
| 16:50.02 | Arrowmaster | me too |
| 16:50.13 | olafski | mine was dispatched last week.. and again this week oO here's hoping I'll get 2 copies :) |
| 16:50.15 | Kraps_w | this time its sooner |
| 16:51.07 | Kraps_w | i hope they have a "previously on..." |
| 16:52.08 | Fisker | it's ubisoft |
| 16:52.13 | Fisker | PC = second rate customers |
| 16:52.17 | Fisker | because they're all pirates |
| 16:52.18 | Fisker | yaaargh |
| 16:52.28 | Fisker | (you can't pirate console games) |
| 16:53.22 | Kraps_w | numbers son |
| 16:54.18 | olafski | won't be long before everyone except blizzard rates pc players as second rate ;D |
| 16:54.49 | Fisker | and valve |
| 16:55.06 | olafski | maybe them too I guess |
| 16:55.18 | Lunessa | PC Gaming - still awesome after all these ears. |
| 16:55.28 | Stanzilla | I'm still waiting for "diablo 3 is a console port" qq |
| 16:55.30 | olafski | I'll make the broad assumption that even though console games _can_ be pirated, it happens less than with PC games |
| 16:55.45 | olafski | stanzilla: I'm still waiting for an announcement as to which consoles they'll be releasing D3 on :) |
| 16:56.03 | Arrowmaster | olafski: ipad |
| 16:56.11 | bluspacecow | All the consoles!!!!! |
| 16:56.12 | Stanzilla | oh god |
| 16:56.25 | Kraps_w | "Customer had placed an order which by mistake came to $1900" heehee |
| 16:56.28 | bluspacecow | The SNES ! |
| 16:57.04 | olafski | arrowmaster: well, anything except x360 and I won't be interested, but that'd be fun too I guess :P |
| 16:57.57 | Lunessa | D3 might actually play better with a console controller. |
| 16:58.24 | Kraps_w | heathen! |
| 16:59.43 | Maldivia | hmm, the new youtube looks kind of nice |
| 16:59.58 | Lunessa | I've been playing it for a while now, and the game is REALLY mouse-centric, in ways no other game I've ever played is. It might actually work better with the console controller model. |
| 17:00.35 | Fisker | how do you pick up loot with a controller? |
| 17:00.45 | Maldivia | D2 was just as mouse-centric :P |
| 17:00.59 | durcyn | when will people learn that diablo games are bad |
| 17:01.40 | Maldivia | they are bad for the survival of the mouse... other than that, no :P |
| 17:03.23 | olafski | fisker: same as in torchlight |
| 17:03.44 | Fisker | But Diablo is not torchlight? |
| 17:03.51 | Lunessa | Maldivia: Fair enough, but I didn't play Diablo or Diablo II. |
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| 17:03.56 | olafski | lunessa: agreed, I'm hoping to get it on a console :) already bought the 1 year thing with wow, so I'll have a license for D3 anyway, but I'll gladly pay it again to play it on a console :) |
| 17:04.30 | Kraps_w | overnight shipping $218 :/ |
| 17:05.00 | Lunessa | olafski: I don't own any consoles, so I wouldn't be excited about it going there, but a gamepad or XBox controller might end up being more *comfortable* for long play-sessions. |
| 17:05.32 | olafski | yer I'd say so.. the only reason I stopped playing torchlight so quickly is because the fonts were too small :P |
| 17:06.10 | Kraps_w | torchlight was boring |
| 17:06.12 | Maldivia | Lunessa: kind of surprised how many in this channel has D3 beta :P |
| 17:06.27 | Lunessa | I'm not. Lots of us "know" someone. |
| 17:06.32 | Kraps_w | i'm hoping D3 will be less so |
| 17:06.37 | Maldivia | Lunessa: true that |
| 17:06.41 | Lunessa | And we all tend to opt-in early. |
| 17:06.58 | Maldivia | Lunessa: but I also know it was really really limited the amount of friends they could get into the beta this time |
| 17:07.04 | olafski | I don't really see the point of playing these games in beta |
| 17:07.14 | olafski | I'd rather just enjoy them when they're out =) same with wow expansions |
| 17:07.16 | Lunessa | True Maldivia, true. |
| 17:07.25 | olafski | though I did play vanilla wow in beta :< |
| 17:07.49 | Lunessa | olafski: I like beta testing games. I like giving feedback and feeling like I'm involved in the growth of something neat. |
| 17:08.06 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:08.38 | mukunda | im with olafski, dont like to ruin the real experience |
| 17:08.48 | Dagmar | Same here. I am more interested in beta testing because no one gets "excited" break the hell out of something in order to keep it from happening later on |
| 17:08.55 | Dagmar | ...than I am about any sort of 'early access' |
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| 17:10.04 | Lunessa | Yeah, getting to say things like "this is a neat idea, but it leads to x,y, and z problems." Or, "this thing? It feels like cheating." |
| 17:11.43 | Fisker | wonders how one picks up loot in Diablo 3 for the superior platform :( |
| 17:11.57 | Ackis | which platform is that Fisker? |
| 17:12.46 | Fisker | consoles Ackis |
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| 17:13.16 | Kraps_w | WHICH console? |
| 17:13.17 | Ackis | they announced that it's coming to consoles? neat |
| 17:13.25 | Fisker | either Kraps_w |
| 17:13.36 | Fisker | Ackis they announced that they're thinking about a console version |
| 17:13.41 | Ackis | ah |
| 17:13.43 | Fisker | But apparently Diablo 3 is superior on consoles |
| 17:13.56 | Fisker | which i don't get since the most important game mechanic doesn't work on consoles :( |
| 17:15.14 | olafski | I heard the sequel to one of my current favourite games will also incorporate loot and quests and all that nonsense :( was looking forward to it, now not so much :P |
| 17:15.34 | Fisker | which game is that? |
| 17:15.39 | olafski | darksiders |
| 17:16.16 | Kraps_w | im stuck in that game |
| 17:16.45 | olafski | I'm almost done I think |
| 17:16.54 | Fisker | funny story :( |
| 17:16.55 | olafski | but I figured before I beat the final guy, I want to go back and see if I can get all the treasures |
| 17:16.57 | Ackis | I love that game |
| 17:17.06 | olafski | already found some item that lets me see treasures so it shouldn't be too hard :) |
| 17:17.10 | Fisker | i got valf into trouble by "accidentally" leaking it was coming out for PC |
| 17:17.19 | Fisker | Well that and some other shit too |
| 17:18.13 | Kraps_w | i like thats its over the top without being cheesy |
| 17:19.16 | olafski | I like almost everything about it :) |
| 17:19.43 | olafski | story seems "original" (not heaven vs hell but you vs heaven & hell), the gameplay is nice, it has stuff to unlock and find without feeling grindy (e.g. no 200 hidden packages, though I do also like that) |
| 17:20.06 | olafski | the only thing I could want is a few more vulgrim locations I think |
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| 17:21.02 | olafski | usually with this type of game I tend to button mash, with this (and bayonetta) I actually have the feeling as if I'm influencing the combat :) |
| 17:27.04 | Dagmar | s/combat/naked/ |
| 17:27.07 | Dagmar | Fixed for ya |
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| 17:28.04 | Kraps_w | influencing the naked? |
| 17:28.24 | Kraps_w | oh you mean bayonetta |
| 17:28.56 | Dagmar | Yes. Heh |
| 17:29.13 | Dagmar | You didn't even have to re-read the scroll to figure that one out, didja |
| 17:30.18 | Kraps_w | well i know of bayonetta |
| 17:30.22 | olafski | I meant both |
| 17:30.29 | olafski | I also have dante's inferno but that was just button mashing to me |
| 17:30.37 | olafski | and let's not even start about devil may cry :P |
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| 17:42.09 | Lunessa | MOAR BUTTONZ! |
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| 17:42.38 | Dagmar | Press 'd8k3DF+{{c' to not die. |
| 17:42.44 | Dagmar | Too late. |
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| 17:43.07 | Maldivia | no no, VISITOR_INFO1_LIVE=ST1Ti53r4fU is the way to go |
| 17:44.17 | haste | Press X to win game |
| 17:44.19 | haste | too late. |
| 17:44.51 | Fisker | haste |
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| 17:45.09 | haste | will I get my graphics card tomorrow Fisker ? |
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| 17:45.14 | Fisker | nope |
| 17:45.19 | haste | man! |
| 17:45.27 | Fisker | because you shouldn't be buying a graphics cards today |
| 17:45.39 | haste | I bought it on sunday :( |
| 17:45.46 | Fisker | or on sunday |
| 17:45.50 | Fisker | wait until kepler |
| 17:45.55 | haste | but my trusty old GeForce 9800 died |
| 17:46.20 | haste | and I bet my i7 will be enjoying some its new 570 friend! |
| 17:46.26 | Fisker | weak |
| 17:46.30 | haste | s/some / |
| 17:46.31 | Fisker | should've gotten the 580 |
| 17:46.38 | haste | it's like 1500NOK more |
| 17:46.44 | pompy | Arrowmaster: december 6th, release date for the new dashboard |
| 17:46.57 | haste | and you get what? 7 more fps ;p ? |
| 17:46.58 | Arrowmaster | already have it |
| 17:46.59 | mukunda | do i have to make a Frame to handle wow events? |
| 17:47.07 | haste | yes |
| 17:47.19 | haste | unless you hook onto someone elses event handler |
| 17:47.22 | haste | but you shouldn't be doing that |
| 17:47.30 | Fisker | try triple digit fps increase haste |
| 17:47.31 | Stanzilla | hooks haste |
| 17:47.36 | haste | no Fisker |
| 17:47.37 | haste | NO |
| 17:47.41 | Fisker | yes haste |
| 17:47.44 | mukunda | ok |
| 17:47.47 | Fisker | double-oh seven |
| 17:47.47 | haste | damn irssi |
| 17:47.49 | Fisker | GET IT? |
| 17:47.49 | haste | flashing |
| 17:47.54 | haste | oooh |
| 17:48.04 | haste | not like I'll be playing BF3 or anything Fisker |
| 17:48.07 | Fisker | oh god |
| 17:48.10 | Fisker | OH MY FUCKING GOD |
| 17:48.17 | Fisker | i just got the best hook for a commercial |
| 17:48.22 | Ackis | Fisker just found his penis |
| 17:48.25 | haste | you should share it |
| 17:48.32 | Fisker | "Triple digits more FPS in games compared to the competitors" |
| 17:48.37 | Fisker | and then it's 00x FPS |
| 17:48.38 | Fisker | OH YES |
| 17:48.42 | Fisker | hire me nvidia |
| 17:48.44 | haste | :D |
| 17:49.09 | haste | did you know Fisker |
| 17:49.13 | haste | I'm on Windows 7 right now |
| 17:49.25 | haste | Do you know what's worse? it's windows 7 starter! |
| 17:49.32 | Fisker | lol |
| 17:49.42 | Fisker | btw jnwhiteh |
| 17:49.50 | haste | Then I was like... fffffuuuu can't stand this for three days and went to the upgrade thingy |
| 17:49.51 | Fisker | looks like the Galaxy Nexus will be recalled anyway |
| 17:50.04 | haste | but Microsoft was like: LOL, we don't offer this service in your country |
| 17:50.23 | Fisker | You know because everyone but apple actually takes pride in their work rather even if it is an insignificant bug |
| 17:50.24 | Stanzilla | why did you even install starter? O.o |
| 17:50.40 | haste | because it was on the laptop Stanzilla |
| 17:50.45 | Stanzilla | oh ok |
| 17:50.50 | Fisker | sure it wasn't a netbook? |
| 17:50.57 | haste | I don't make a difference Fisker |
| 17:51.02 | Fisker | you should |
| 17:51.12 | haste | My old laptop was a Dell L400 |
| 17:51.18 | haste | it was smaller and still called a laptop! |
| 17:51.23 | Fisker | i don't even know what it is |
| 17:51.51 | haste | ancient 12" laptop |
| 17:51.59 | haste | with p3 700mhz and 256md sdram! |
| 17:52.16 | haste | pre-loaded with windows 2000 :3 |
| 17:52.16 | Fisker | lols |
| 17:52.25 | Fisker | so your netbook is more of an ultrabook |
| 17:52.27 | haste | it died last year tho' :( |
| 17:53.33 | olafski | arrowmaster: is it any good? I'm not a fan of the metro UI, but I guess I don't have a choice =( |
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| 17:54.16 | Arrowmaster | one thing i dislike is they swapped the buttons for eject drive and the menu to install to harddrive |
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| 17:54.26 | mukunda | how do i get the guid of the player |
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| 17:54.45 | olafski | arrowmaster: hm, both aren't things I do very often :) |
| 17:54.58 | Arrowmaster | i install everything to my hdd |
| 17:55.25 | olafski | me too |
| 17:55.31 | olafski | but still, that's like once a week tops |
| 17:55.44 | olafski | still haven't tried project eden, just cause 2... |
| 17:55.56 | Lunessa | mukunda: http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/UnitGUID |
| 17:56.09 | haste | wonders... |
| 17:56.12 | haste | !api UnitGUID |
| 17:56.12 | lua_bot | UnitGUID: Returns a unit's globally unique identifier (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/UnitGUID) |
| 17:56.15 | haste | >:3 |
| 17:56.23 | mukunda | thanks |
| 17:56.37 | mukunda | so UnitGUID("player") i guess |
| 17:56.49 | haste | y |
| 17:56.59 | mukunda | it prints something when i do that :3 |
| 17:57.15 | haste | I would guess it prints, your GUID |
| 17:57.34 | Stanzilla | harsh |
| 17:58.13 | haste | fetches his vim config so he can get something done. |
| 18:03.51 | nevcairiel | I've been pondering what class to play in SWTOR, and i would love to play a jedi, however then i'm thinking - won't the majority of the people pick jedi? :d |
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| 18:05.05 | Lunessa | Probably. Or Sith. I mean, I want to Force-Choke the shit out of every Gungan ever. |
| 18:05.18 | Fisker | none nevcairiel |
| 18:05.29 | Thunder_Child | no trolling swtor Lunessa |
| 18:05.46 | nevcairiel | gungan choking will probably be some sport |
| 18:06.06 | nevcairiel | although i'm personally not that bothered by them, i think its kinda funny. :p |
| 18:06.19 | Ackis | http://edmontonscience.com/exhibits-events/starwars-identities |
| 18:06.21 | Ackis | neat |
| 18:06.25 | Lunessa | Thunder_Child: I'm totally embracing the Dark Side. |
| 18:08.34 | Fisker | of the moon? |
| 18:08.47 | nevcairiel | i should probably figure out what role each class is, i'm quite sure they still have the typical tank dps heal thingys |
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| 18:14.55 | mukunda | is the ADDON_LOADED event different from the xml <OnLoad> thing? |
| 18:14.57 | Lunessa | LOL - "holy MMO trinity" I'm so sick of that paradigm. |
| 18:15.56 | Lunessa | mukunda: <OnLoad> it how you tell your AddOn to do things when it loads. The ADDON_LOADED event fires to tell the clinet your add-on is loaded. |
| 18:16.19 | mukunda | ok, so i need to wait for the actual loaded event before i load settings |
| 18:16.31 | Lunessa | Actually, <OnLoad> is how you tell your /frame/ to do something when it loads. |
| 18:17.20 | nevcairiel | the classes are a bit more mushed together it seems, but in a fight you will end up with those roles - one to charge and grab the enemys, one to go all out on dps, and one to keep everyone alive - its quite hard to not do it like that |
| 18:18.22 | Lunessa | *nod* Or you change you combat mechanics to work differently. D3 really doesn't have the classic trinity roles really. |
| 18:18.52 | amro | nevcairiel: eve's pve doesn't have aggro, which makes for hilarious fights |
| 18:18.56 | nevcairiel | I have no idea about D3, but at least D2 didn't have such a concept either, everyone just was dps |
| 18:19.04 | amro | so you end up with "healers" and everyone else |
| 18:19.08 | amro | but everyone tanks |
| 18:19.21 | nevcairiel | eve has actual fighting? |
| 18:19.27 | nevcairiel | i thought you did like, space battles |
| 18:19.45 | amro | yeah, they added incursions and big boss fights |
| 18:19.47 | nevcairiel | how do you heal a ship? :p |
| 18:19.51 | nevcairiel | oh |
| 18:19.55 | amro | shield transfer mostly |
| 18:20.02 | amro | also remote armor repair |
| 18:20.19 | nevcairiel | i really never played it much |
| 18:20.30 | nevcairiel | i liked the single player game that came before it, though |
| 18:21.09 | amro | http://jestertrek.blogspot.com/2011/08/sons-of-bitch.html <- eve raids are actually more exciting than wow |
| 18:22.24 | nevcairiel | TL;DR |
| 18:23.43 | amro | I gave you the tldr |
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| 18:36.22 | foxlit | Why do shamans get a +threat weapon enchant at like level 75? |
| 18:38.32 | Fisker | foxlit |
| 18:38.37 | Fisker | dey tanking |
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| 18:48.45 | mukunda | UnitGroupRolesAssigned("player") will return what role i have selected? |
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| 18:55.19 | olafski | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:06.12 | mukunda | can i put 2 toc files/addons in the same folder |
| 19:06.58 | mukunda | gmS9uWv6 |
| 19:06.58 | haste | no, the toc file must match the folder |
| 19:07.20 | mukunda | hmm thats not a password textbox |
| 19:07.29 | mukunda | :p |
| 19:07.30 | mukunda | darn |
| 19:08.19 | kd3|netbook | you can put a bunch of files in the .toc to be loaded, or put one in and then load everything else from that file... |
| 19:08.50 | pb_ee1 | notes down what mukunda just said. |
| 19:09.00 | mukunda | it should probably be kept separate |
| 19:09.12 | mukunda | changes battle.net password :/ |
| 19:09.14 | kd3|netbook | then, separate folders and a matching .toc for each |
| 19:09.30 | pb_ee1 | o:p |
| 19:09.58 | mukunda | i was wondering where my password went when i typed it in |
| 19:10.09 | pb_ee1 | Let me give you a new password :D |
| 19:10.29 | mukunda | too late! |
| 19:10.54 | mukunda | ok time to crash the game |
| 19:11.34 | pb_ee1 | ^^ |
| 19:12.11 | mukunda | at least nobodies in my guild anymore to be annoyed by chain logging |
| 19:14.03 | kd3|netbook | whee, the swtor site is struggling under the load |
| 19:14.14 | Fisker | hey kd3|netbook |
| 19:14.18 | Fisker | not so hey pb_ee1 |
| 19:14.18 | kd3|netbook | 'lo |
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| 19:16.50 | kd3|netbook | gack, what's my desktop doing? |
| 19:17.24 | Fisker | downloading porn kd3|netbook |
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| 19:27.34 | mukunda | http://pastebin.com/w55fu1DA sorry for the lua related question, but help please :) dpsbank[GUID] is nil at the end |
| 19:28.28 | mukunda | im guessing what im doing wrong is mt isnt a reference to the actual dpsbank entry when i initialize it |
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| 19:32.12 | Lunessa | mukunda: where's the code where you get the GUID? |
| 19:32.57 | mukunda | the guid is valid, the printing before the bottom shows the player guid |
| 19:33.06 | Jamash | wow swtor really is just like wow |
| 19:33.12 | Jamash | I have an account but I can't log in :D |
| 19:33.28 | Jamash | launch day memories |
| 19:33.49 | Lunessa | Jamash: They call these stress tests for a reason. :) |
| 19:33.59 | mukunda | http://pastebin.com/uS98ySc7 ok this kind of fixes it but it seems dirty, i probably have some fundamental misunderstanding of how lua data is passed around |
| 19:34.27 | Jamash | I need some sort of magic incantation to transform my swtor stress test key into a diablo III beta key |
| 19:34.47 | Lunessa | For the lulz: http://prowlimus.deviantart.com/art/TF-covered-in-bitches-213265035 |
| 19:39.53 | Ackis | :O |
| 19:39.56 | Ackis | http://www.edmontonjournal.com/sports/Eskimos+Fred+Stamps+lost+testicle+injury/5750255/story.html |
| 19:41.00 | Jamash | Leider ist die Star Wars: The Old Republic-Website momentan nicht erreichbar. Versuchen Sie es später erneut. |
| 19:41.14 | Stanzilla | schade |
| 19:41.40 | kd3|netbook | heh. the swtor site is crashing and burning |
| 19:41.42 | kd3|netbook | color me shocked |
| 19:42.09 | Arrowmaster | wtf another humble bundle already |
| 19:42.13 | Jamash | colors kd3|netbook burnt sienna with hints of ecru |
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| 19:43.03 | pantsninja | Lunessa: good afternoon |
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| 19:43.13 | Lunessa | hello! |
| 19:43.32 | pantsninja | Everyone else was all, "WFH Tues/Weds" so I joined the cool kids |
| 19:44.22 | Jamash | warcraft from home? |
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| 19:45.30 | Jamash | so can you just pay $1 for the humble bundles and get all the games? |
| 19:46.00 | Ackis | why pay $1 when you can pay $0.01 |
| 19:46.35 | Jamash | has to be at least $3.36 to get crayon physics deluxe and aquaria |
| 19:46.54 | Ackis | I think I have those two already actually |
| 19:47.17 | Ackis | I didn't buy the last humble bundle, had the games already not sure if I'll do this one either |
| 19:47.37 | Thunder_Child | http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/lights/ea44/ |
| 19:48.24 | Jamash | ok why the heck has keepass2 suddenly stopped doing autotype |
| 19:48.37 | Arrowmaster | i think i might have aquaria on steam alraedy |
| 19:48.53 | Jamash | brb relogging |
| 19:56.58 | Maldivia | Fisker: 10k deep pockets! |
| 19:58.52 | mukunda | now if i could just figure out how to delete a table entry.. |
| 19:59.03 | Jamash | t[k]=nil |
| 19:59.07 | Torhal|work | ~pil |
| 19:59.07 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 19:59.38 | mukunda | can i not do it if i only have the table entry passed as an argument |
| 20:00.27 | Jamash | when you say table entry, do you mean a value like f(t[k]) or a table reference and a key like f(t,k) |
| 20:00.59 | mukunda | value, but the value is another table |
| 20:01.23 | mukunda | ie local t = tab["DPS"] / function(t) <-- this function wants to delete t sometimes |
| 20:01.24 | Jamash | you can affect the inner table but not the outer table in that case |
| 20:03.30 | Jamash | hmm, apparently it's just the swtor launcher that won't accept keepass input |
| 20:03.49 | mukunda | i should probably just put all the culling stuff somewhere else |
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| 20:04.48 | Fisker | i hate you Maldivia |
| 20:06.37 | Torhal|work | serves Fisker another steaming bowl of Hate. |
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| 20:12.34 | Fisker | anyway Maldivia |
| 20:12.42 | Fisker | do you know if it's because they've fixed it or whatever? |
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| 20:17.44 | mukunda | where does wow get the name of each addon, the folder name? (ie the name it gives to the ADDON_LOADED event) |
| 20:18.21 | Lunessa | from the .toc file and the add-on folder's name. |
| 20:19.28 | mukunda | my ocd is more curious, but i guess those are usually named the same thing |
| 20:19.45 | Lunessa | they must be. |
| 20:19.55 | mukunda | oh |
| 20:20.17 | Jamash | I wonder if case matters |
| 20:20.21 | Torhal|work | mukunda: Also, instead of hard-wiring the search for the AddOn name, do this at the top of each Lua file: "local ADDON_NAME, SHARED_TABLE = …" - doing this will allow you to check for ADDON_NAME instead of "MyAddOnName". |
| 20:20.23 | Jamash | but not enough to check |
| 20:20.33 | Torhal|work | You can, of course, call ADDON_NAME and SHARED_TABLE anything you like within the file. |
| 20:21.13 | Lunessa | You might want to look here too: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1127130093 |
| 20:21.15 | Torhal|work | I personally use "private" for the shared table, because that's what it is - the private namespace. |
| 20:21.20 | mukunda | so ... at top level first arg contains the addon name? |
| 20:21.27 | Jamash | yes |
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| 20:21.31 | mukunda | cool |
| 20:21.32 | Torhal|work | Yup. |
| 20:22.00 | Lunessa | "The addonName is the name by which WoW is referring to the AddOn, based on the capitalization of the AddOn's .toc file. " |
| 20:22.09 | mukunda | i didnt know the addon loaded event was passed to all of the addons before :p, that was probably causing the undefined behavior before... |
| 20:22.25 | Torhal|work | Likely :) |
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| 20:31.58 | Jamash | yeah running your init function 20 times is probably a bad idea |
| 20:32.56 | Jamash | !api GetFlyoutInfo |
| 20:32.57 | lua_bot | GetFlyoutInfo: Returns information about a flyout slot (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetFlyoutInfo) |
| 20:33.20 | Jamash | I was rather disappointed that there's no support for user-created flyouts |
| 20:36.19 | Jamash | so I'm working on the design for a robust event logging developer addon that will make it easier to tell what order certain events (and non-"event" things-that-happen) occur in |
| 20:36.41 | Jamash | would anyone here find such a thing useful / like to suggest features for it |
| 20:37.55 | Lunessa | "it doesn't work." "what doesn't work?" "Email!" "What about it doesn't work?" I can't login!" … please, fucking shoot me now. |
| 20:38.06 | nevcairiel | ~shoot Lunessa |
| 20:38.06 | purl | ACTION shoots Lunessa in the eye with a quantum singularity weapon! |
| 20:38.13 | Jamash | tell them to send you an email with the exact error message |
| 20:39.27 | nevcairiel | olafski: from what i've seen in gameplay videos and info posts, it doesn't seem that much different. It appears roles are not 100% clearly pronounced like in WoW, but if you look closely, you can still see the same concepts |
| 20:40.05 | Jamash | how do you know mace windu is a badass? he's the only one with an epic lightsaber |
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| 20:43.10 | Lunessa | And it says "Bad Motherfucker" on the handle. |
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| 20:47.27 | Guest11565 | hello all |
| 20:47.51 | Guest11565 | anyone have a resource on how to open the new .pub files in the addons folder for the default ui? |
| 20:49.11 | foxlit | You do not need to open the new .pub files in the addons folder for the default ui. |
| 20:49.16 | foxlit | waves hand. |
| 20:50.44 | Fisker | haste |
| 20:50.51 | haste | Fisker |
| 20:51.10 | Fisker | so apparently the Galaxy Nexus is delayed in the entire mainland europe due to norwegian translations |
| 20:51.18 | haste | :D |
| 20:51.20 | Fisker | i find that very convincing |
| 20:51.21 | nevcairiel | screw the norwegians |
| 20:51.30 | haste | I don't even use norwegian on my android :( |
| 20:51.38 | Fisker | especially given the "UK"(Read: International, and therefor the same) version got norwegian already |
| 20:51.53 | Lunessa | foxlit: Your follow-up line is "He can go on about his business." or "You want to go home and re-think your life." |
| 20:51.56 | nevcairiel | maybe it has alot of typos |
| 20:52.08 | Fisker | Apparently their PR department forgot that they were running AOSP builds when they had to make up stuff to excuse a botched launch |
| 20:52.11 | haste | aren't they only pushing the 16G version in Europe? |
| 20:52.20 | foxlit | Lunessa: how did you know? Is that some sort of mind trick? |
| 20:52.30 | Fisker | as it stands now it looks like everything will only be 16GB version |
| 20:52.39 | Lunessa | *waves hand* There's nothing to see here. |
| 20:52.41 | Fisker | for a moment there it looked like the LTE version would be 16/32GB |
| 20:52.46 | Fisker | but now it's changed to 16GB as well |
| 20:52.47 | haste | reason enough not to buy it imo |
| 20:53.06 | Fisker | and a few months ago samsung said they weren't interested in releasing a 32GB version in scandinavia |
| 20:53.14 | Fisker | but that was of course samsung nordic |
| 20:53.21 | Fisker | i guess they weren't interested in doing it at all |
| 20:53.27 | Fisker | and yeah haste i kinda agree |
| 20:53.34 | Fisker | micro sd card would be nice |
| 20:53.34 | haste | why would you want to release a _16GB_ version, when you don't have external storage |
| 20:53.35 | Lunessa | Is anyone but me amused at the idea of 32gb storage on a phone? |
| 20:53.44 | Fisker | but atleast 16, 32 and 64GB versions should be available |
| 20:53.45 | haste | it should be 32GB or nothing then |
| 20:54.04 | nevcairiel | why is everyone doing away with the idea of sd cards in the phones |
| 20:54.05 | haste | has 32G storage on both android phones. |
| 20:54.09 | Fisker | anyway haste |
| 20:54.10 | nevcairiel | more and more phones come without a slot |
| 20:54.15 | Fisker | go find their phone number |
| 20:54.17 | haste | yeah, it sucks |
| 20:54.20 | foxlit | Taking your video collection with you everywhere is apparently important, Lunessa :( |
| 20:54.27 | Jamash | nevcairiel: 16GB should be enough for anyone |
| 20:54.27 | haste | no, I'm busy |
| 20:54.36 | haste | gently pokes Jamash. |
| 20:54.43 | Lunessa | haste: I mean, it's f'ing cool and all, but… it wasn't all that long ago phones didn't remember shit. I'm just amused by the progression. |
| 20:54.46 | F16Gaming | i can't store wow with only 16gb... |
| 20:54.50 | Fisker | do it haste |
| 20:54.55 | Fisker | then follow this script: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vkf3eL7Pol0&t=0m9s |
| 20:54.57 | Jamash | you can't run wow on your phone either |
| 20:55.03 | foxlit | Besides, sure you can |
| 20:55.04 | Fisker | i can run wow on my tablet Jamash |
| 20:55.04 | nevcairiel | or can you |
| 20:55.06 | Fisker | ujelly? |
| 20:55.13 | Fisker | technically i could on my phone as well |
| 20:55.18 | haste | Lunessa: yeah, I went the entire path in SD cards as well :P |
| 20:55.20 | foxlit | Just get it stuck in the state of perpetual streaming. The base client is surely smaller than 16gb |
| 20:55.21 | F16Gaming | WoWPhone 1.0 |
| 20:55.23 | F16Gaming | wtb |
| 20:55.30 | Fisker | to be fair F16Gaming |
| 20:55.34 | Fisker | it's just streaming |
| 20:55.45 | nevcairiel | foxlit: just have to convince it not to store stuff on the SD |
| 20:55.51 | haste | didn't intel show of a phone with WoW streaming |
| 20:55.57 | haste | s/$/?/ |
| 20:56.04 | haste | like, aeons ago |
| 20:56.08 | mukunda | of course right when i join a dungeon to test the errors bombard my face |
| 20:56.33 | haste | goes back to being productive. |
| 20:56.42 | Lunessa | Meh, my Blackberry Pearl has a microsd in it for storage. It was terrible. It certainly wasn't designed to be removed/changed regularly. |
| 20:56.43 | Fisker | haste |
| 20:56.46 | foxlit | # ... that the great late artist Salvador Dali mistook them for clocks. |
| 20:56.48 | Fisker | can you follow the script? |
| 20:57.03 | Lunessa | And I dislike the idea of having lots of small parts that can be easily lost. |
| 20:57.36 | nevcairiel | my SD card is hidden next to the SIM card, if i manage to lose it there, i deserve it |
| 20:57.50 | Fisker | i have several 2-4GB MicroSD cards that have disappeared into the void |
| 20:58.16 | Fisker | well technically i don't have them since they disappeared |
| 20:58.16 | Fisker | bam |
| 20:58.18 | Lunessa | nevcairiel: *nod* but I was just thinking the small cards are really meant to be "put this in and leave it" so what's the point of making it a card? |
| 20:58.42 | nevcairiel | why built anything modular? choice! |
| 20:58.46 | Fisker | upgrade |
| 20:58.48 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 20:59.05 | Jamash | <farnsworth>Amy, did you inhale your phone again?</farnsworth> |
| 20:59.36 | Fisker | microsd cards aren't phones |
| 20:59.36 | Fisker | yet! |
| 21:00.26 | nevcairiel | a good class 10 sd card at 32gb can set you back $100 or so (or could half a year ago anyway), rather not put that on the price of the phone |
| 21:00.33 | nevcairiel | sdhc that is |
| 21:01.18 | Fisker | what about 64GB? |
| 21:02.12 | nevcairiel | it would appear the prices of such cards have fallen quite a bit over the half year, these days its 64gb for $100 |
| 21:02.21 | nevcairiel | last half year* |
| 21:02.57 | Lunessa | nevcairiel: I guess. I just never fill up the storage on my current phones, so I'm not sure I need upgradable storage on top of that. I guess it's just me though. |
| 21:03.11 | Fisker | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/206837/black-friday-sale-50-off-starcraft-ii <-jerks |
| 21:03.15 | Fisker | not caring about EU or anything |
| 21:04.17 | nevcairiel | whats that EU you speak of? |
| 21:04.31 | Jamash | expanded universe |
| 21:04.48 | Jamash | it's stuff that isn't part of the main canon but isn't contradicted by it either |
| 21:04.58 | Jamash | like france |
| 21:05.40 | Jamash | Give the gift of Starcraft! Digital gifting not available for StarCraft II®: Wings of Liberty™ |
| 21:05.53 | Jamash | derrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrp |
| 21:06.05 | AcidWeb | EK2WI-3DLVQ-HTK3X <- Crayon Physics Deluxe and Aquaria Steam Key |
| 21:06.13 | Fisker | thanks AcidWeb |
| 21:06.16 | Fisker | i have both games |
| 21:06.36 | Fisker | Jamash it's thanksreceivings not givings |
| 21:06.38 | Fisker | obviously |
| 21:07.35 | Jamash | clearly you're supposed to give someone $30 and tell them to buy starcraft II with it |
| 21:09.18 | nevcairiel | i would take such a deal for europe, i was always waiting for some good deal to get it to at least play the single player |
| 21:09.21 | nevcairiel | stupid them |
| 21:09.39 | Jamash | you can play the first few missions in the demo |
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| 21:10.20 | nevcairiel | i could buy the US version for that price, but i guess that also means i end up on US servers, eh |
| 21:10.21 | Fisker | well nevcairiel |
| 21:10.26 | Fisker | to be fair i think they had one last year as well |
| 21:10.34 | Fisker | but it was a little later than the US one |
| 21:10.45 | Fisker | so it will probably come |
| 21:10.58 | Fisker | but certainly not before someone posts on the forum "Why are Blizzard racists?" |
| 21:11.09 | Fisker | F5's the forums |
| 21:11.44 | Fisker | nothing yet :O |
| 21:11.52 | nevcairiel | go post it |
| 21:11.55 | nevcairiel | your chance |
| 21:11.58 | Jamash | also you can get EU starcraft for only £29.99, which is clearly the same as $29.99 |
| 21:12.09 | Fisker | no |
| 21:12.16 | Fisker | UK's can get it for £29.99 :/( |
| 21:12.18 | Fisker | :( |
| 21:12.40 | nevcairiel | the funny thing is, Blizzards store still sells SC2 for 60€, while at amazon i can get it for 38€ |
| 21:13.06 | Jamash | there you go |
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| 21:13.53 | Guest11565 | does anyone have a good lua development environment that can test the addons without having to open wow.exe? ie. offline development? |
| 21:14.12 | nevcairiel | people have tried and failed to create such things |
| 21:14.49 | Jamash | you'd have to write an awful lot of code to get the event model right and then even more to display the UI |
| 21:14.54 | Jamash | so, no |
| 21:15.02 | Arrowmaster | you would never get the event model right |
| 21:15.12 | Arrowmaster | because its so screwy |
| 21:15.14 | nevcairiel | because even blizzard doesnt! |
| 21:15.18 | Jamash | ^ |
| 21:15.31 | Jamash | that's why I'm writing an event logging addon |
| 21:15.44 | Jamash | because damned if I can tell what's causing the bugs in my addon |
| 21:16.33 | Jamash | also I can log in to the PTR client but not log on to any of the PTR realms, wtf |
| 21:16.43 | Jamash | it says they're up |
| 21:16.54 | Guest11565 | from what I can tell the answer is no, but maybe someone can shed some light on this. Is there any way to call a webservice from inside wow? or write to an external file? The best I can do is write to savedvariables |
| 21:17.13 | Torhal|work | No |
| 21:17.15 | Jamash | no, no, correct |
| 21:17.17 | nevcairiel | You cannot interact with any external resources |
| 21:17.17 | Torhal|work | Sandbox environment. |
| 21:17.35 | Jamash | savedvariables and the clipboard are your only means of interaction with the outside |
| 21:18.13 | Torhal|work | Someone actually made a "Twitter client" AddOn. You had to reload your UI and an external process would notice the SavedVariables changed and tweet it. |
| 21:18.22 | Torhal|work | Reeeeeeeee-tarded. |
| 21:18.49 | Jamash | Torhal|work: http://www.r-word.org/ |
| 21:18.52 | Arrowmaster | brought to you by the guys that created the worst lua editor ever |
| 21:19.15 | Torhal|work | Jamash: Yay. |
| 21:19.35 | Lunessa | Because people are convinced that Twitter is the greatest thing ever. |
| 21:19.44 | Jamash | for me to poop on |
| 21:19.46 | nevcairiel | i thought thats facebook |
| 21:19.48 | Guest11565 | i need to build a loot tracking system for the guild. I was storing guild points and main toon name and date updated in the officer's note. but wanted to export it and be able to easily update it |
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| 21:20.13 | Jamash | savedvariables parsing is the standard way to do that |
| 21:20.15 | Lunessa | Sorry. |
| 21:20.22 | nevcairiel | usually people just save that stuff in savedvariables and have some external tool parse it after you quit the game |
| 21:21.30 | Arrowmaster | write the tool in lua and you dont have to really do much |
| 21:21.36 | Guest11565 | anyone know of a good looter addon that will announce loot to raid with need roll, greed roll, and track rolls? headcount was the shiz but no longer supported. |
| 21:23.14 | Torhal|work | Not supported? Latest version is from June. |
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| 21:33.07 | mukunda | so i stood in the electrical storm |
| 21:33.12 | mukunda | not only did i discover a bug i also wiped the group :( |
| 21:35.47 | Lunessa | iDolby, now Siri-enabled? |
| 21:36.08 | Torhal|work | Lunessa: He's Sirious? |
| 21:36.45 | Torhal|work | dolby: How far into the future is Shirik's completion of Minion? |
| 21:37.00 | Torhal|work | wonders whether or not ducking will do any good at this point. |
| 21:37.26 | Ackis | apparently Torhal|work is in a trolling mood |
| 21:37.47 | Torhal|work | Only because you're slacking. |
| 21:37.58 | Ackis | not sure if it's slacking or lack of caring :'( |
| 21:38.21 | dolby | I'm sorry, I can't do that right now, Dave |
| 21:38.22 | Torhal|work | You're soul-weary, son. Have yourself some whisky. |
| 21:38.41 | Torhal|work | Lunessa: I thought you said "Siri", not "HAL". |
| 21:38.56 | dolby | lol Siri uses that as an error message |
| 21:38.59 | dolby | some times |
| 21:39.00 | dolby | =p |
| 21:39.02 | Torhal|work | :D |
| 21:39.13 | Torhal|work | Close the pod bay doors! |
| 21:39.21 | Lunessa | Open the iPod-bay doors please, HAL. |
| 21:39.58 | Ackis | I never actually watched that movie |
| 21:40.42 | Lunessa | You should. Both films are pretty much masterpieces. Though 2001 is kind of trippy. |
| 21:41.05 | Ackis | there's two films? I didn't realize that |
| 21:41.25 | Lunessa | 2001 and 2010: The year We Make Contanct. |
| 21:41.29 | Lunessa | Contact. |
| 21:42.08 | Lunessa | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086837/ - The Year we Have Contact. My bad. |
| 21:42.18 | durcyn | shame they never made an Odyssey Three film. or 3001, for that matter |
| 21:42.26 | Maldivia | still missing 2061 and 3001 :P |
| 21:42.34 | Lunessa | No, I had it right the first time. *facepalm* |
| 21:42.50 | Lunessa | The novels are intense too. |
| 21:42.54 | Ackis | should I watch it or just read the books? |
| 21:43.09 | Lunessa | I'd do both. The movies are visually stunning |
| 21:43.20 | Lunessa | And… well, trippy. |
| 21:44.10 | durcyn | read the books first |
| 21:46.44 | Lunessa | Yes. |
| 21:49.02 | Ackis | fyi Stanzilla has been hacked and is now a bot. A really good bot, but a bot none-the-less |
| 21:49.29 | Xyphoid | i wouldn't bother with the books after 2010 myself |
| 21:49.52 | Lunessa | All these world are yours, save Io. |
| 21:49.56 | Stanzilla | Ackis: hello |
| 21:50.38 | Ackis | stanzillainput> print("I'm a bot") |
| 21:51.00 | Fisker | Stanzilla |
| 21:51.12 | Fisker | so a US retailer stopped shipping GN |
| 21:51.13 | Fisker | err |
| 21:51.15 | Fisker | UK |
| 21:51.18 | durcyn | eh, 2061 and 3001 weren't -that-bad, the Time Odyssey books are where it gets weird |
| 21:51.20 | Fisker | think Samsung will recall? :3 |
| 21:52.18 | Stanzilla | maybe |
| 21:53.11 | Fisker | is gonna be all like "lol delayed" |
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| 22:03.58 | Fisker | Stanzilla |
| 22:03.59 | Fisker | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=19605591&postcount=901 |
| 22:04.16 | Fisker | makes me wanna http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9w9afsduiaM |
| 22:05.19 | Stanzilla | Fisker: cool |
| 22:05.45 | Fisker | did you also participate in a thousands of people dancing naked? |
| 22:05.57 | Stanzilla | nope |
| 22:06.06 | Fisker | oh ok |
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| 22:24.17 | Jamash | makes you want to have sex with keanu reeves? |
| 22:25.02 | Maldivia | ... |
| 22:26.25 | Jamash | and then get impaled on rebar? |
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| 22:51.39 | amro | http://www.determinate.net/webdata/seg/tdfsb.html |
| 22:54.10 | Lunessa | Arrowmaster: http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2011/11/asus-android-tegra-ics/ |
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| 22:58.45 | cogwheel | amro: i know this! |
| 23:00.44 | mukunda | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npVQJ_7Xyr0 its okay to be jelly |
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| 23:12.25 | Lunessa | nevcairiel: http://www.anandtech.com/show/4706/understanding-wireless-storage-kingston-widrive-and-seagate-goflex-satellite - seen these? |
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| 23:19.14 | Cide | ok so wtf |
| 23:19.44 | Cide | trying out fedora 16 and there is an extremely weird bug where an active window steals ALL keyboard and mouse events |
| 23:19.49 | Cide | how is this possible... |
| 23:19.57 | kd3 | blame gnome3? |
| 23:20.05 | Cide | like it doesn't even detect ctrl+alt+delete when I have an active window |
| 23:20.18 | Cide | I cannot switch focus or anything |
| 23:20.25 | Cide | yet the active window works perfectly |
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| 23:20.53 | Cide | if I shut down all active windows (alt+f4) I can interact with gnome |
| 23:21.26 | Cide | kd3: I kinda like gnome3 otherwise :/ |
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| 23:25.14 | Cide | back it seems |
| 23:25.17 | Cide | did anyone fix my problem |
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| 23:29.33 | Cairenn | Well crap! Anne McCaffrey died. :( |
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| 23:31.06 | Lunessa | :( |
| 23:31.44 | Torhal|work | Oh, wow |
| 23:31.54 | ccox | <-- sad panda |
| 23:32.20 | ccox | I always thought she'd hop on a dragon and go between |
| 23:32.21 | Cairenn | I have basically all of her books. |
| 23:33.44 | Lunessa | I have most of her novels. Not all, but most. She was a constant literary companion on my teens. |
| 23:34.34 | Cairenn | Indeed |
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| 23:34.51 | Xyphoid | me too |
| 23:34.57 | Xyphoid | it's pretty sad |
| 23:34.59 | Cairenn | Along with Misty and Eddings |
| 23:35.24 | ccox | <-- also has most of her books |
| 23:36.11 | Lunessa | Anthony, Heinlein, Asimov, Brin, Tolkien, Cook, Clark, Dick, and many, many, many, others. |
| 23:36.20 | Cairenn | Yup |
| 23:36.42 | Lunessa | I think I lived more in their worlds than I did in ours. |
| 23:37.35 | Torhal|work | Lunessa: I'm pretty sure you're not done here yet. |
| 23:38.08 | Lunessa | Torhal|work: I'm not dying any faster than the rest of biological beings are; one second at a time. :) |
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| 23:39.23 | Lunessa | I just meant that now I seem to spend more time in this world than the worlds conjured by my science fiction writer heroes. |
| 23:49.26 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: Nexus S for £200, thoughts? |
| 23:49.39 | Fisker | nothankyouuuuuuuuu.jpg |
| 23:49.46 | jnwhiteh | what *would* you be willing to pay? |
| 23:50.16 | Fisker | 2 pieces of pocket lint and some bellybutton lint |
| 23:50.29 | jnwhiteh | no seriously |
| 23:50.34 | jnwhiteh | why do you dislike it so much? |
| 23:50.50 | Fisker | i don't dislike it |
| 23:51.27 | jnwhiteh | so |
| 23:51.30 | jnwhiteh | if you had a nexus one |
| 23:51.47 | jnwhiteh | you don't plan to spend the £529 on the galaxy nexus |
| 23:51.49 | jnwhiteh | what would you do? |
| 23:52.23 | Fisker | spend ??? on SGS2 |
| 23:52.48 | jnwhiteh | they're £389 |
| 23:52.57 | jnwhiteh | whats so much better about the s2? |
| 23:53.10 | amro | Fisker approves |
| 23:53.17 | Fisker | very |
| 23:53.26 | Fisker | well SGS2 is kinda like Galaxy Nexus |
| 23:53.29 | jnwhiteh | but WHY? |
| 23:53.30 | Fisker | kinda |
| 23:54.15 | Fisker | The only downside is that you don't get the software buttons and the smaller screen |
| 23:54.26 | Fisker | but on the flip side you get a better GPU on it |
| 23:54.33 | jnwhiteh | well, you get the software buttons as well |
| 23:54.39 | Fisker | yeah when they get ICS |
| 23:54.47 | Fisker | but you'll still have the button on the device |
| 23:54.49 | jnwhiteh | this is part of the problem |
| 23:54.59 | jnwhiteh | i prefer to have a unlocked bootloader |
| 23:55.04 | Fisker | infact it may be that the ICS porters just remove the software keypad since they want to use the ones on the device already |
| 23:55.13 | jnwhiteh | whats the major hardware diff between ns and s2? |
| 23:55.25 | Fisker | it's a fuck ton better |
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| 23:55.53 | trololol | hi |
| 23:56.22 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: hrm. |
| 23:56.26 | Fisker | SGS2 has the same GPU as the ipad i believe (Just a singlecore version though) |
| 23:56.31 | Fisker | but still the best GPU on the market |
| 23:56.37 | Fisker | a dual-core 1.2GHz Exynoz |
| 23:56.44 | Fisker | and 1GB ram |
| 23:57.00 | Fisker | If you care solely on the performance the SGS2 is technically better than the Galaxy Nexus |
| 23:57.13 | trololol | how do i install a i7 on my iphone 3gs? |
