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| 00:07.33 | foxlit | hey, Fisker, rage on starcraft forums instead. |
| 00:07.39 | Fisker | no |
| 00:08.08 | foxlit | more specifically the people who prefix and affix every post with the same sentence |
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| 00:08.32 | foxlit | "SOMETHING COMPLETELY UNRELATED yes, marines are op. SOMETHING EVEN MORE UNRELATED" |
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| 00:14.54 | Fisker | tophat and monocle foxlit ? |
| 00:15.13 | Jamash | I just found the largest offhand ever: http://www.wowhead.com/item=15947#screenshots:id=12999 |
| 00:16.18 | Fisker | my penis? |
| 00:17.23 | mckenziemc | Held in Fisker's Dreams |
| 00:22.45 | Fisker | hey mckenziemc |
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| 01:58.17 | airtonix | btw Fisker |
| 02:06.23 | mckenziemc | oh |
| 02:35.13 | Thunder_Child | ~ping |
| 02:35.13 | purl | ~pong |
| 02:36.07 | Shirik | wtf |
| 02:36.13 | Shirik | I opened up my contact info in Outlook web access |
| 02:36.24 | Shirik | and google chrome's all like "this page is in italian. would you like to translate it?" |
| 02:38.56 | Cide | change your name? |
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| 02:48.07 | purl | ~pong |
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| 02:57.21 | pompy | Shirik: http://gizmodo.com/5859278/the-iphone-4s-battery-problem-is-probably-not-because-of-faulty-hardware you agree with this article? ;) |
| 02:58.59 | Mr_Rabies | my 3gs is having battery problems since ios5 as are a lot of other people without 4Ses, it's almost undoubtedly bugginess in the os |
| 03:00.28 | kd3 | neat; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZMroQOtS_U |
| 03:02.05 | kd3 | it gets crazy around the 2:30 mark |
| 03:02.13 | Mr_Rabies | that dude's beard is like 90% neck |
| 03:02.14 | Mr_Rabies | what the heck |
| 03:08.41 | Mr_Rabies | that video made me hunt this down: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tv-dEz9HW10 |
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| 03:09.38 | kd3 | wtf |
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| 03:12.05 | Mr_Rabies | all vocals on that are done by the same guy :p |
| 03:12.14 | Mr_Rabies | even peach's |
| 03:13.17 | Dagmar | Hmm... shades of Evangelion |
| 03:13.26 | Mr_Rabies | D: what |
| 03:14.01 | Dagmar | That last episode where they'd run out of money so they literally assembled all but five minutes of it by remixing older pieces and slideshowing clip art |
| 03:14.09 | Dagmar | A very artsy (and shit) retrospective |
| 03:14.35 | kd3 | winces |
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| 03:15.23 | Mr_Rabies | imagine doing that for at least 5-10 minutes per episode in 1979, and you've got mobile suit gundam :p |
| 03:15.44 | Mr_Rabies | there's a whole episode that has such ugly animation the creator has kept it from making it to the states |
| 03:16.08 | Dagmar | hheeh |
| 03:16.30 | airtonix | tekkub: is there any reason why i can't paste my password into the password field on the github login page |
| 03:17.14 | airtonix | fuuuu |
| 03:17.49 | tekkub | user error |
| 03:17.56 | airtonix | i agree |
| 03:18.11 | airtonix | however i did actually have something in the paste buffer |
| 03:18.18 | airtonix | chrome however disagreed |
| 03:18.58 | Mr_Rabies | here's a gallery all from that episode i believe: http://imgur.com/a/SLtWn |
| 03:19.01 | Dagmar | I'm still a fan of Robot Carnival and Negatokyo(?) |
| 03:19.16 | Mr_Rabies | last two pictures are what the mobile suits are supposed to look like |
| 03:19.43 | Dagmar | Wow things were pretty dredful before photoshop heh |
| 03:20.34 | Dagmar | Damn now I'm irked I can't remember the name of that other one |
| 03:20.58 | Dagmar | Was out just before Akira |
| 03:21.12 | Mr_Rabies | what happens in it? |
| 03:21.53 | Mr_Rabies | this is what happens when animators drink too much, don't get paid enough, and don't sleep at all in 1979: http://i.imgur.com/4NXrm.jpg |
| 03:21.57 | Dagmar | Hah |
| 03:22.03 | Dagmar | I remember there was a girl, and a cat. |
| 03:22.11 | Dagmar | ...and it was very artsy. |
| 03:22.27 | Dagmar | ...which sort of eliminates um, exactly nothing that wasn't a saturday morning cartoon |
| 03:22.48 | Mr_Rabies | was it a film? and it came out before akira came out in the states? |
| 03:22.58 | Dagmar | I remember some kind of gypsy strider things, and the girl was running/dancing through a canyon |
| 03:23.08 | Dagmar | I think it came out before Akira was printed |
| 03:23.48 | Mr_Rabies | akira was in japanese theaters in 1988, if that's what you mean by printed D: |
| 03:24.09 | Dagmar | I'm talking about Akira the graphic novel |
| 03:25.21 | Dagmar | Ah! Neo Tokyo |
| 03:25.51 | Mr_Rabies | oh that's a film collection |
| 03:26.28 | Dagmar | It was also a long-ass time ago |
| 03:26.57 | Mr_Rabies | one part of neo tokyo is on mtv's liquid television page |
| 03:27.01 | Mr_Rabies | Running Man: http://liquidtelevision.com/video/the-running-man/ |
| 03:27.11 | Dagmar | Probably so |
| 03:27.24 | Dagmar | That *may* have been what drew our attention to it |
| 03:28.46 | Mr_Rabies | there's a film that just came out that's kinda like a trip back to the 80s, except it's drawn digitally, called redline |
| 03:28.47 | Mr_Rabies | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmbW6WXLeW4 |
| 03:28.59 | Mr_Rabies | each frame is hand-drawn and gorgeous |
| 03:29.35 | Mr_Rabies | it took like 7 years to make i think |
| 03:31.08 | Arrowmaster | ive watched it twice, didnt realize it was hand-drawn |
| 03:31.53 | Arrowmaster | the first 20 minutes just hooks you |
| 03:32.08 | Mr_Rabies | absolutely |
| 03:32.13 | Arrowmaster | although the best part is probably the first 20 minutes |
| 03:32.29 | Mr_Rabies | i can't agree there, it's like the whole movie takes 20 minutes for me |
| 03:32.52 | Mr_Rabies | i just get pulled in and suddenly it's over and my heart is beating so hard i can hear it |
| 03:34.12 | Mr_Rabies | i'm going to preorder it so hard that my mouse explodes as soon as a real preorder thing is up on amazon for it |
| 03:34.38 | Mr_Rabies | http://www.amazon.com/Redline-Blu-ray-Takeshi-Koike/dp/B005WMQ5R8/ |
| 03:34.44 | Mr_Rabies | oh no, you maniacs, what have you done |
| 03:35.07 | Mr_Rabies | this is gonna be an expensive winter :( |
| 03:35.22 | Torhal | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8F6EoMdn95E |
| 03:37.08 | Mr_Rabies | did i just listen to acapella dubstep |
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| 03:38.53 | Torhal | Hah |
| 03:38.53 | Dagmar | Mr_Rabies: Shush |
| 03:39.08 | Dagmar | DubFX is an entirely freakish level above that |
| 03:39.30 | Dagmar | There are a LOT of videos of this guy just standing on a street jamming with people having no idea |
| 03:40.03 | Dagmar | er jamming, with people having no idea. Not jamming with people. |
| 03:40.15 | Dagmar | Just hanging out being generally awesome with a PA and a few pedals |
| 03:40.59 | Dagmar | He is his own beatbox, akai, sequencer, and 64-button thingamobob all rolled into one |
| 03:41.05 | Torhal | He's nuts. Mad props. |
| 03:41.10 | Torhal | And vocals. |
| 03:41.16 | Dagmar | Yep. He has _mad_ skillz |
| 03:41.28 | Dagmar | I was blown the fuck awway when I first saw a video of him |
| 03:41.35 | Dagmar | A genuine musical genius |
| 03:41.56 | Dagmar | He started getting seriously noticed a few years ago |
| 03:42.26 | Dagmar | Clearly, he *loves* what he's doing, too. |
| 03:43.00 | Dagmar | I'd like to see him and Alex Patterson go at it |
| 03:43.07 | Dagmar | ...although I think Alex might faint |
| 03:43.54 | Dagmar | The closest thing I've ever seen in person was a rasta who probably still plays in downtown SF |
| 03:44.02 | Dagmar | Same street intersection, every day |
| 03:44.27 | Dagmar | One small mixing board and mic and a speaker smaller than what DubFX has there, but he apparently had access to some kind of orchestra |
| 03:45.15 | Dagmar | I've seen him out there with a saxophone, a flute, an actual oboe, a clarinet, keyboards, bongo drums, etc |
| 03:45.54 | Dagmar | Never all at once, mind you |
| 03:46.58 | Dagmar | If ya saw him, you'd know _exactly_ why I draw the comparison |
| 03:48.10 | Dagmar | I find it terrifically amusing that DubFX made sort of a kid's album |
| 03:48.32 | Dagmar | Singing your kids to sleep is one thing |
| 03:48.54 | Torhal | o.O |
| 03:49.00 | Mr_Rabies | speaking of insane music without traditional instruments: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XHt32UVqLk |
| 03:50.53 | Dagmar | Some people make some really interesting instruments |
| 03:51.31 | Dagmar | We had John Sharp in the studio one night (Blazen/Sharp) and he brought this wooden plank and metal spring "thing" with pickups on it |
| 03:51.44 | kd3 | rofl. just flipping through the channels, jurassic park's on amc. not 30 seconds after I start watching... |
| 03:51.50 | Dagmar | ...and then proceeded to play the hell out of it with the bow from a daddy base |
| 03:51.50 | kd3 | "Oh, this is a Unix system. I know this." |
| 03:56.22 | Torhal | kd3: Horribad. |
| 03:56.44 | kd3 | it's incredible how horribly that animation has aged |
| 03:58.08 | Torhal | Haha |
| 03:58.14 | Mr_Rabies | the cgi is actually not THAT bad considering how old it is |
| 03:58.24 | Mr_Rabies | there's some that's still pretty decent |
| 03:58.52 | Mr_Rabies | there's a lot of stuff from even 10 years later with worse cgi |
| 04:04.17 | Arrowmaster | the special effects in the movie was great, the cgi not so much, particularly the part where the raptors are inside the building |
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| 04:08.42 | Shirik | ah |
| 04:08.55 | Shirik | I appreciate that the government is trying to redefine "internet protocol" to mean TCP |
| 04:08.57 | Shirik | really |
| 04:09.05 | Shirik | we need more interference in things they don't understand |
| 04:10.26 | Arrowmaster | so does that mean we just have to stop using TCP to get around their new laws? |
| 04:12.08 | Dagmar | It's time for Vint Cerf to smite them with holy lightning |
| 04:12.17 | Dagmar | ...or at least call in an airstrike of RFC compilations. |
| 04:12.37 | bluspacecow | use appletalk over IP! |
| 04:12.42 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:12.53 | Dagmar | They don't realize that the internet considers censorship no different from packet loss, and will route around it. |
| 04:16.11 | Arrowmaster | the problem is i dont want to be in the part that gets routed around |
| 04:16.12 | Thunder_Child | s/apple/crapple/ |
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| 04:27.47 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: Would seem like it |
| 04:32.49 | Dagmar | If they actually become a problem with it you'll see a distributed DNS system built |
| 04:34.24 | Dagmar | Hell, there's already a fairly well entrenched system running over tor |
| 04:34.49 | Arrowmaster | tor is slow though |
| 04:35.12 | Dagmar | Yeah, but there's caching |
| 04:36.04 | Dagmar | Dialup modems were _slow_ and we didn't have a lower-latency unencrypted outer channel to work with |
| 04:36.41 | Dagmar | There's only so much they can get away with messing about at the bureaucratic layer |
| 04:40.41 | Iriel | Grrr… Missed the opportunity for a SW:TOR beta key |
| 04:41.04 | Dagmar | All l75,000 gone? |
| 04:41.19 | kd3 | P-A got some earlier. dunno if they still have any |
| 04:41.20 | Dagmar | It's looking like a "stress test" beta invite anyway, i.e., marketing |
| 04:41.32 | Iriel | kd3: thats what im referring to |
| 04:41.51 | Iriel | These aren't the codes you're looking for. |
| 04:41.52 | Iriel | (Sorry, we're all out!) |
| 04:41.56 | Iriel | 8-( |
| 04:42.13 | kd3 | zam/curse should both still have some, I'd hope |
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| 05:08.33 | dolby | http://www.zam.com/giveaways/swtor.html |
| 05:09.37 | Arrowmaster | do i have a zam account? |
| 05:09.48 | Thunder_Child | do you? |
| 05:09.53 | Arrowmaster | i dont know |
| 05:10.00 | Arrowmaster | i have a wowi and a wowhead account i think |
| 05:10.30 | Nechckn | I like the other, lesser-known, http://www.dolby.com/giveaways/one_million_USD_from_401K.html |
| 05:10.34 | Thunder_Child | try it |
| 05:10.36 | Thunder_Child | cant hurt |
| 05:10.57 | Iriel | How dare it say "Iriel" is taken - don't they know who I am!?!?!?!?! 8-) |
| 05:11.09 | Torhal | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:11.24 | Arrowmaster | i would but im still in the middle of trying to clear this dungeon in AC:R without being seen |
| 05:11.31 | Jamash | yeah well I put in my key to the swtor site and now I'm "registered" but I don't have a download link yet |
| 05:11.40 | Thunder_Child | or if you had an Allakhazam.com account from waaaaaaay back |
| 05:12.15 | pompy | Arrowmaster: the one where u found the passageway in sofia's place? |
| 05:12.21 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 05:12.36 | pompy | ugh yah, i was doing good then a fucking caught me |
| 05:12.47 | pompy | fucker* |
| 05:12.50 | Arrowmaster | i cleared the first 2 rooms using my crossbow, throwing knives, and poison darts but got spotted at some point |
| 05:13.10 | Arrowmaster | now im using cherry bombs and poison bombs because ive gotten lazy |
| 05:13.25 | Jamash | c4 imo |
| 05:13.42 | Arrowmaster | i could build stickly shrapnel bombs |
| 05:13.46 | pompy | during the ottoman empirt? |
| 05:13.47 | pompy | e |
| 05:13.54 | Jamash | time bullets! |
| 05:14.15 | Arrowmaster | i have a fucking gun on my wrist! who cares about timeline shit |
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| 05:15.04 | Jamash | doesn't leonardo dicaprio build you a helicopter? |
| 05:15.09 | Arrowmaster | Torhal: apparently i dont have a zam account |
| 05:15.16 | Torhal | o.O |
| 05:15.42 | Torhal | Something's screwy then…they were unified around 2008 or 2009 |
| 05:15.44 | Torhal | Cairenn: ^^ |
| 05:16.06 | Cairenn | Arrowmaster: log in using your wowinterface email & pw |
| 05:16.17 | Cairenn | it'll ask you for a local username |
| 05:16.30 | Cairenn | then you can log in using that username & pw thereafter |
| 05:16.56 | Arrowmaster | oh wow i need to update my wowi email |
| 05:18.01 | Arrowmaster | maybe i shouldnt have changed my email just now |
| 05:18.10 | Cairenn | lol |
| 05:18.36 | Arrowmaster | neither one works |
| 05:20.47 | Arrowmaster | dolby: i broke it |
| 05:21.13 | Torhal | Damn, and you didn't even TRY. |
| 05:21.20 | Arrowmaster | no i didnt |
| 05:22.22 | Arrowmaster | you know im also just realizing that i have no beep when highlighted anymore, fucking gnome3! |
| 05:22.34 | Cairenn | he's in a raid atm Arrowmaster |
| 05:22.52 | Arrowmaster | oh my beeps back, wtf gnome3 |
| 05:23.46 | Arrowmaster | i just went to the curse page and got my key |
| 05:24.18 | Cairenn | Arrowmaster: looks like you have a zam account |
| 05:24.31 | Cairenn | under arrowmaster :p |
| 05:24.50 | Thunder_Child | this seems like Arrowmaster's fail day today |
| 05:24.52 | Arrowmaster | nope |
| 05:24.56 | Arrowmaster | didnt work |
| 05:24.58 | Cairenn | okay, hang on |
| 05:25.09 | Arrowmaster | now i need to figure out my swtor site login info |
| 05:26.10 | Jamash | zam and curse are the same thing, right? |
| 05:26.17 | Thunder_Child | not exactly |
| 05:26.43 | Cairenn | unh, no |
| 05:26.44 | Arrowmaster | now im waiting on a password reset email from swtor |
| 05:27.10 | Thunder_Child | curse and zam are the same thing as they are gamesite parent companies |
| 05:27.12 | Thunder_Child | but thats about it |
| 05:28.06 | Arrowmaster | hmm still no password reset email..... |
| 05:28.07 | Thunder_Child | i mean, they fill the same niche as far as i can tell |
| 05:28.09 | Jamash | so you mean they're different like activision and blizzard are different |
| 05:28.15 | Torhal | ... |
| 05:28.18 | Torhal | Just. |
| 05:28.19 | Torhal | Wow. |
| 05:28.29 | Seerah | Jamash: they're two separate companies |
| 05:28.36 | Torhal | Congratulations! You out-Fiskered Fisker! |
| 05:28.47 | Seerah | ZAM is the parent company to WoWI, Wowhead, etc. |
| 05:28.57 | Jamash | Torhal: I try |
| 05:29.09 | Cairenn | Arrowmaster: PM |
| 05:29.11 | Arrowmaster | Fisker: your services are no longer required |
| 05:29.34 | Jamash | I've been thinking of myself as Fisker's understudy for a while now anyway. |
| 05:29.56 | Thunder_Child | see Cairenn, this is why we can't have nice things in this channel |
| 05:31.01 | Thunder_Child | ~ping |
| 05:31.01 | purl | ~pong |
| 05:32.34 | Arrowmaster | so yeah ive totally broken zams account system |
| 05:32.51 | Cairenn | naw |
| 05:33.05 | Cairenn | you just bent it a bit, it's okay |
| 05:36.50 | Fisker | i have a dream Arrowmaster |
| 05:37.15 | Fisker | Arrowmaster btw |
| 05:37.17 | Iriel | Arrowmaster: I just got my SWTOR email verification message |
| 05:37.21 | Fisker | you already got the reset mail |
| 05:37.28 | Fisker | 5½ years ago infact |
| 05:39.04 | Fisker | do you understand Arrowmaster ? |
| 05:39.33 | Arrowmaster | Cairenn: still broken, it wont let me choose my name because its already in use on wowhead |
| 05:40.32 | Cairenn | Oy, what on earth did you do? Okay, well, same comment as I said already, I'll let you know when someone pings me back, but it may not be until tomorrow |
| 05:40.41 | Cairenn | sowwy |
| 05:40.51 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:41.29 | Fisker | Arrowmaster doesn't understand |
| 05:41.30 | Fisker | hey bluspacecow |
| 05:41.37 | Fisker | email so i can spam you in d3 |
| 05:41.49 | Jamash | hey Fisker |
| 05:41.52 | Arrowmaster | fucking hell, swtor password rules need an uppercase lowercase and number |
| 05:41.59 | Fisker | hey Jamash |
| 05:42.02 | Arrowmaster | now im going to have to create a password i wont remember |
| 05:42.04 | Jamash | you can have my US citizenship if I can have your diablo III beta |
| 05:42.07 | Thunder_Child | yes, nothing wrong with that Arrowmaster |
| 05:42.24 | Arrowmaster | my lowercase and numbers password is good enough |
| 05:42.33 | Fisker | did you discover your password reset email sent to you 5½ years ago Arrowmaster? |
| 05:42.52 | mckenziemc1 | my password is Fisker |
| 05:42.54 | mckenziemc1 | can't beat that |
| 05:42.58 | Fisker | [12320] PixelJunk Eden Comp |
| 05:43.00 | Fisker | :< |
| 05:43.40 | bluspacecow | @fisker but you'll just troll me with it >_> |
| 05:44.18 | Fisker | no |
| 05:44.48 | bluspacecow | >_> |
| 05:44.51 | Jamash | I highly recommend http://keepass.info/download.html (get the 2.x version, not the 1.x version) it's an excellent password generator, manager, autofiller, etc, works on most systems (.net or mono required) |
| 05:44.53 | bluspacecow | kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk |
| 05:45.14 | Thunder_Child | i hated using that on mono |
| 05:45.26 | Thunder_Child | also works on android |
| 05:45.50 | Iriel | Jamash: the D3 beta's not worth that |
| 05:45.57 | Jamash | I use a ridiculously long but easy to remember password for it then randomly generated passwords for everything else |
| 05:46.34 | Thunder_Child | Jamash: how long? mine is 15 for that |
| 05:46.38 | Fisker | noone can stop me |
| 05:46.48 | Fisker | other way around Iriel |
| 05:46.53 | Jamash | well let me type it out here and you can count the letters |
| 05:46.56 | Fisker | US citizenship is not worth that |
| 05:46.56 | Jamash | wait |
| 05:46.58 | mckenziemc1 | takes notes |
| 05:47.22 | Arrowmaster | Jamash: the mono requirement is a no go for me, plus ive looked at that before and it doesnt have any decent browser integration on linux |
| 05:47.37 | Jamash | 32 characters |
| 05:47.44 | Jamash | I use the global hotkey autofill |
| 05:47.50 | Jamash | works a treat, windows or linux |
| 05:48.46 | Arrowmaster | youve used it on linux? |
| 05:49.12 | Fisker | i had a dream Jamash |
| 05:49.18 | Jamash | yes |
| 05:49.23 | Jamash | I have used it on linux |
| 05:49.28 | Arrowmaster | and wtf i just shot a crossbow bolt at a guard as he was jumping down and the bolt arched in midair |
| 05:49.59 | Jamash | tell me about the rabbits, Fisker |
| 05:50.07 | Fisker | nope |
| 05:50.20 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Fire at bandits from a distance near a ledge. |
| 05:50.37 | Thunder_Child | Jamash: do you do what everyone else i know who uses that does and leave it open on your system? |
| 05:50.37 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: It seems that whether or not the missile lands is determined when you shoot. |
| 05:51.02 | bluspacecow | minecraft pocket edition gone live for iOs but still no survival multiplayer ? :( |
| 05:51.05 | Jamash | it automatically locks itself after a few minutes of inactivity or when I lock the desktop |
| 05:51.30 | Jamash | and I lock the desktop or hibernate if I'm not at my PC |
| 05:51.31 | Thunder_Child | ah, too lazy to do that, though i should |
| 05:51.44 | Arrowmaster | Jamash: i still have a hatred for anything that needs mono, except spacechem, its the only reason i even have mono on my system |
| 05:52.00 | Jamash | cool story bro |
| 05:52.28 | Arrowmaster | mother fucker |
| 05:52.43 | Arrowmaster | 2 guards left and the bolt bounces off of one and the other sees me |
| 05:52.48 | Jamash | tell me about your dream, Fisker <sits in leather chair, motions towards analysis couch> |
| 05:52.49 | Fisker | wanna fight about it? |
| 05:53.05 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: I have got to find the hobo I promised some wine to |
| 05:53.14 | bluspacecow | nekkid in pudding ? |
| 05:53.16 | Dagmar | I'm carrying around 68 Alto Wines I can't drop. |
| 05:53.25 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: im playing AC:R not skyrim |
| 05:53.38 | bluspacecow | ac:r ? |
| 05:53.43 | Arrowmaster | asscreed |
| 05:54.01 | Dagmar | Ah... |
| 05:54.04 | bluspacecow | ass bro ? |
| 05:54.10 | Jamash | assbrocreehood |
| 05:54.13 | bluspacecow | nah |
| 05:54.16 | Jamash | ssin |
| 05:54.18 | bluspacecow | ass redemeption |
| 05:54.26 | Jamash | redeems bluspacecow's ass. |
| 05:54.35 | bluspacecow | oooooooooooo what'd you get ! |
| 05:54.40 | Jamash | Fisker :( |
| 05:54.41 | Cairenn | smacks everyone upside the head "Oy, cut it out guys" |
| 05:54.46 | Fisker | :) |
| 05:54.48 | mckenziemc1 | O.o |
| 05:54.52 | bluspacecow | :D |
| 05:55.00 | bluspacecow | @fisker friend added on D3 man |
| 05:55.07 | Fisker | oh ok |
| 05:55.48 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn: you are about 15 years to late for training |
| 05:55.55 | Cairenn | heh |
| 05:56.13 | Arrowmaster | im about to go back to skyrim though if i dont find something else to do, got tired of redoing that mission over and over in AC:R |
| 05:56.50 | Iriel | Dagmar: why so much wine? |
| 05:57.41 | Jamash | he's smuggling it to prohibition-era new jersey |
| 06:00.49 | Dagmar | I talked to some wino who wanted me to swipe a bottle of it, and it got flagged as a quest item apparently. |
| 06:01.02 | Dagmar | I *think* he might have been in Riften |
| 06:01.09 | Arrowmaster | i didnt think quest items counted against your carry weight |
| 06:02.37 | Dagmar | Ah.... Most of them are marked 0 weight, these say 0.5 but it appears (since I just picked up three more) that you might be right about that |
| 06:03.04 | Jamash | so you're gonna find this wino |
| 06:03.19 | Jamash | and dump his own body weight in booze on him |
| 06:03.26 | pompy | Arrowmaster: you dont need to not be detected, thats just for the 100% sync |
| 06:03.35 | Jamash | and then he's going to get alcohol poisoning and die |
| 06:03.37 | Arrowmaster | pompy: IM A PERFECTIONIST |
| 06:03.45 | pompy | oh yah |
| 06:03.46 | Fisker | JESUS WAT |
| 06:04.01 | Jamash | s/A/EP/ |
| 06:04.13 | Arrowmaster | also an achievement whore and theres an achievement for full sync on everything i think |
| 06:04.28 | Fisker | i once killed a guy Arrowmaster |
| 06:04.32 | Fisker | but you probably already knew that |
| 06:04.36 | pompy | yea there is |
| 06:04.44 | Jamash | I have a policy of only getting achievements when the thing I have to do to get it is in some way enjoyable |
| 06:04.47 | Arrowmaster | Fisker: no i didnt, please tell me more |
| 06:05.15 | Thunder_Child | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:05.19 | Thunder_Child | http://crave.cnet.co.uk/gadgets/man-arrested-at-large-hadron-collider-claims-hes-from-the-future-49305387/ |
| 06:05.27 | Thunder_Child | err...damit |
| 06:05.31 | Thunder_Child | i need to look at dates |
| 06:05.33 | Thunder_Child | nvm me |
| 06:05.35 | Jamash | hee hee |
| 06:06.38 | Jamash | Thunder_Child: you're 16 days late for http://crave.cnet.co.uk/gadgets/accident-at-large-hadron-collider-shunts-april-fools-day-to-1-november-50001348/ |
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| 06:08.18 | mckenziemc1 | quantom foam... makes me roam |
| 06:10.02 | Jamash | foam, foam on the range, where the beer and the onion dip play |
| 06:10.30 | ccox | curse.com - an ongoing experiment to find the upper limit of human tolerance for annoying behavior |
| 06:10.39 | Jamash | s/curse.com/the internet/ |
| 06:29.13 | Torhal | throws some cute at Cairenn --> http://i.imgur.com/RS5vP.jpg |
| 06:29.21 | Cairenn | catches |
| 06:29.25 | Cairenn | awww |
| 06:40.12 | bluspacecow | BBL |
| 06:44.06 | mckenziemc1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:46.03 | Iriel | mckenziemc1: that'd be in the lua reference manual not the wow api |
| 06:47.03 | mckenziemc1 | i thought that query gives reference manual stuff too |
| 06:48.13 | mckenziemc1 | !api string.format |
| 06:48.13 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'string.format' can be found at http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#pdf-string.format |
| 06:48.27 | Thunder_Child | it does |
| 06:48.32 | Thunder_Child | !api rawget |
| 06:48.32 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'rawget' can be found at http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#pdf-rawget |
| 06:48.39 | Thunder_Child | you had a space mckenziemc1 |
| 06:48.47 | mckenziemc1 | oops |
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| 06:56.43 | mckenziemc1 | rages |
| 06:57.37 | mckenziemc1 | i know writing a script for something always turns out harder than it originally looked, but this is rediculous |
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| 07:25.48 | Xinhuan | heh elder scrolls 4: oblivion on steam sale today |
| 07:27.41 | Thunder_Child | i'm actually amused that Sins of a solar empire is on steam since they have their own distribution platfrom via stardock |
| 07:28.21 | Mr_Rabies | stardock isn't as willing as EA to shoot themselves in the foot |
| 07:30.08 | Thunder_Child | Mr_Rabies: but the game has been released for quite some time but this is the first time it's on steam "Release Date: Nov 16, 2011" |
| 07:30.26 | Thunder_Child | i know, because i have looked for it before |
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| 07:54.32 | Fisker | no Thunder_Child |
| 07:54.50 | Fisker | but it's funny given how adamant Brad was against Steam |
| 07:54.53 | mckenziemc | morning Fisker |
| 07:55.23 | Ketho | morning fisker |
| 08:04.28 | Fisker | also funny Mr_Rabies |
| 08:04.48 | Fisker | as i recall it Stardock had to lay off their staff and ultimately sell off their service |
| 08:04.49 | Fisker | :3 |
| 08:04.57 | Fisker | well some of it anyway |
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| 08:07.28 | Fisker | hey kd3 |
| 08:07.32 | Fisker | you cannot escape my wrath |
| 08:09.06 | kd3 | sure I can. it's called going to sleep |
| 08:09.41 | Fisker | that's not as much escaping as it is being killed in your sleep :( |
| 08:10.50 | Thunder_Child | more like postponing than sleeping kd3 |
| 08:12.35 | Xinhuan | steam should list 2 release dates |
| 08:12.47 | Xinhuan | like, a "steam release date" and a "first release date" |
| 08:12.56 | Thunder_Child | agreed |
| 08:13.37 | mckenziemc | haven't you heard of valve time? |
| 08:13.52 | Xinhuan | preorders for trine 2 is out |
| 08:13.54 | Xinhuan | i'm tempted |
| 08:14.00 | bluspacecow | hai2u xinny |
| 08:14.08 | Xinhuan | hai! |
| 08:18.14 | Fisker | bluspacecow is jersk |
| 08:18.23 | bluspacecow | :| |
| 08:18.26 | Fisker | jerskiest jersk |
| 08:18.37 | mckenziemc | ~fiskerslap Fisker |
| 08:18.37 | purl | ACTION slaps Fisker around a bit with Fisker. |
| 08:18.48 | Fisker | umad mckenziemc ? |
| 08:19.00 | mckenziemc | sleepy :( |
| 08:19.28 | Fisker | baw |
| 08:20.28 | Maldivia | *yawn* |
| 08:22.50 | Maldivia | so... anything exciting happening today? |
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| 08:27.15 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 08:27.21 | Thunder_Child | just not here |
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| 08:32.03 | Corv | If I recall my AVRE fun-times correctly, there is now zero access to the camera angle, right? |
| 08:40.18 | Fisker | umad Thunder_Child ? |
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| 08:41.08 | Thunder_Child | Fisker: always |
| 08:41.38 | Fisker | good |
| 08:42.14 | Fisker | so i wonder when Google will start requesting proof of ownership for files uploaded to google music? :3 |
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| 08:45.51 | Thunder_Child | Fisker: how? |
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| 08:54.24 | mckenziemc | by crawling your memories |
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| 08:58.36 | Fisker | i figure email Thunder_Child |
| 08:59.12 | haste | how would I prove owner ship of digital files from a label that doesn't exist anymore? |
| 08:59.21 | Fisker | you wouldn't |
| 08:59.22 | Fisker | BAM |
| 08:59.25 | haste | owner ship |
| 08:59.36 | Fisker | btw haste |
| 08:59.38 | Fisker | are we in agreement? |
| 08:59.50 | Fisker | google are jerks for not including or even talking about the rest of the world? |
| 09:00.03 | haste | y so usa? |
| 09:00.09 | Fisker | i agree |
| 09:00.11 | Fisker | however |
| 09:00.13 | Fisker | time for torture |
| 09:00.14 | Fisker | bye |
| 09:00.40 | mckenziemc | :O |
| 09:01.25 | mckenziemc | make sure you actually kill the guy this time |
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| 09:18.58 | Fisker | im the one being tortured |
| 09:19.28 | mckenziemc | oh, good |
| 09:19.56 | mckenziemc | you had me concerned |
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| 10:33.56 | Fisker | damn my mouth is gonna be pissed when it wakes up |
| 10:37.35 | Fisker | what say you haste ? |
| 10:37.52 | Fisker | :< |
| 10:37.58 | Fisker | google music suggests eiffel 65 |
| 10:38.00 | Fisker | nigga pls |
| 10:38.33 | bluspacecow | http://www.dorkly.com/picture/27153/gamer-water-cooler |
| 10:38.34 | haste | I'M BLUE DABADIDA |
| 10:39.01 | Fisker | hey bluspacecow |
| 10:39.06 | bluspacecow | oh hai |
| 11:03.58 | Cairenn | night all |
| 11:05.01 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:08.33 | airtonix | bluspacecow: old |
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| 11:14.28 | bluspacecow | lolz QA |
| 11:14.51 | bluspacecow | blizz QA totally trolling us … release build for 4.3 ! then test build ! now another release build ! |
| 11:21.57 | foxlit | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41795&page=2 |
| 11:22.02 | foxlit | this thread is amusing me. |
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| 12:05.26 | Fisker | no bluspacecow |
| 12:05.27 | Fisker | no! |
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| 12:11.00 | bluspacecow | *explodes* |
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| 12:37.41 | airtonix | foxlit: anyone replied with the helpful: mysql sucks l2postgresnoob |
| 12:38.11 | haste | is going to use both soon. |
| 12:48.38 | airtonix | hey bluspacecow |
| 12:48.45 | airtonix | you liek my sexah voice? |
| 12:48.46 | airtonix | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQ-KxBlSQQ4 |
| 12:48.56 | foxlit | airtonix: no, there's still time for you to shine your wisdom on that thread :) |
| 12:49.26 | airtonix | foxlit: too busy making minecraft videos from the mother russia |
| 12:49.47 | bluspacecow | oh |
| 12:49.49 | bluspacecow | oh my |
| 12:50.01 | bluspacecow | *blushes* |
| 12:50.43 | airtonix | that's going to be the voice of the new russian puss in boots movie |
| 12:50.55 | bluspacecow | wait its not you ? |
| 12:50.59 | airtonix | umad? |
| 12:51.02 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:01.57 | bluspacecow | http://imgur.com/r/fffffffuuuuuuuuuuuu/O2iEa |
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| 13:12.33 | bluspacecow | ..... |
| 13:12.59 | bluspacecow | 129 tabs open from reddit and Safari's going creak creak |
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| 13:23.29 | Fisker | bluspacecow |
| 13:27.49 | Fisker | Shirik pls |
| 13:38.07 | Fisker | the pain bluspacecow |
| 13:38.09 | Fisker | THE PAAAAAIN |
| 13:38.14 | bluspacecow | lawls |
| 13:40.41 | Fisker | damnit jon stewart |
| 13:40.45 | Fisker | stop being so funny :( |
| 13:40.46 | Fisker | it hurts |
| 13:47.26 | amro | old Fisker |
| 13:49.26 | Fisker | amro |
| 13:49.29 | Fisker | your mom is old |
| 13:49.30 | Fisker | lol! |
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| 14:38.33 | Ackis | heh -9 but feels like -18 with the windchill |
| 14:39.36 | airtonix | oh ok |
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| 15:15.04 | Fisker | hey Ackis |
| 15:16.49 | Ackis | hey Fisker |
| 15:16.52 | Ackis | wassup buddy? |
| 15:17.03 | Fisker | my head is dubstepping in pain |
| 15:17.36 | Ackis | I don't know what dubstepping is (I've purposely avoided finding out) but htat sounds sucky |
| 15:21.26 | durcyn | but you seem like the kind of person who would enjoy music that bad |
| 15:22.39 | Ackis | :( |
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| 15:32.26 | Maldivia | brrr... why must it be so cold outside |
| 15:33.36 | Ackis | because it's snowing? |
| 15:33.39 | Ackis | s/snowing/blizzarding/ |
| 15:34.23 | Maldivia | not quite... well, not yet at least |
| 15:40.24 | Shirik | so wtfhax |
| 15:40.47 | Shirik | my brokerage account says it has -61 dollars in it. Not only am I aware that is completely wrong, it's not a margin account so it shouldn't be able to go negative in the first place. |
| 15:41.30 | Shirik | I never understand why it's so hard to make websites work correctly |
| 15:53.15 | nevcairiel | its usually not the website that doesnt work correctly, but the stupid information-providing backend |
| 15:53.50 | mitch0 | nev: it's probably an inline select in a php script :P |
| 15:54.15 | Adys | tekkub: ping |
| 15:57.01 | jnwhiteh | why so no google music for uk =/ |
| 15:57.24 | Adys | jnwhiteh: why so no google music for fucking *anyone* outside the worst country in the world to launch google music to |
| 15:57.38 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 15:57.44 | jnwhiteh | i'm just selfish |
| 15:57.54 | Adys | well, I'm just a dick |
| 15:57.58 | Adys | but still |
| 15:57.58 | jnwhiteh | I'd rather *not* purchase my music through iTunes |
| 15:58.17 | jnwhiteh | Amazon still sucks as well |
| 15:58.37 | jnwhiteh | the problem isn't the companies, its the recording industry |
| 15:58.45 | jnwhiteh | they are the reason its restricted =/ |
| 15:58.50 | nevcairiel | dont you get spotify in the UK |
| 15:58.52 | Adys | funny thing with amazon is they suck at more or less everything, but they don't suck enough for other services to be better |
| 15:59.13 | nevcairiel | amazon rocks at shipping you stuff fast, imho! |
| 15:59.49 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: spotify is a monthly subscription |
| 15:59.50 | Adys | thats true |
| 15:59.56 | Adys | but nevcairiel thats what i mean |
| 16:00.00 | jnwhiteh | I'm not a a huge fan of rentals =/ |
| 16:00.05 | Adys | thats their strong point, but as an actual online shop it sucks |
| 16:00.16 | nevcairiel | online shop for online goods, you mean |
| 16:00.17 | jnwhiteh | but yes, its a better option |
| 16:00.26 | Adys | nevcairiel: no, online shop in general |
| 16:00.29 | Adys | their interface blows |
| 16:00.44 | nevcairiel | shrug, i havent seen any shop that would've blown me away |
| 16:00.48 | nevcairiel | its not like i browse there |
| 16:00.50 | Adys | me neither |
| 16:00.53 | nevcairiel | i know what i want, and i buy it |
| 16:00.54 | Adys | see comment above |
| 16:00.56 | Adys | they dont suck enough |
| 16:00.56 | Adys | :D |
| 16:00.58 | amro | how do you expand a table into arguments? eg, t = {a1, a2 .. an}, call f(a1, a2, ... an) |
| 16:01.04 | nevcairiel | unpack |
| 16:01.10 | amro | thanks |
| 16:01.31 | Adys | Ok thats it |
| 16:01.33 | Adys | fuck pidgin |
| 16:01.46 | nevcairiel | i've given up on IM a while ago, IRC is all i use these days |
| 16:01.50 | Adys | Anyone know a goot Qt-based pure xmpp client? |
| 16:02.05 | Adys | i wont spit on multiprotocol but i wont use it either |
| 16:03.07 | nevcairiel | kopete is KDEs official client, i've never used it however, and despise most KDE-based apps. :p |
| 16:03.19 | amro | kopete sucks since kde4 |
| 16:03.23 | amro | it's just so bad now |
| 16:03.26 | Adys | I dislike kopete |
| 16:03.36 | amro | there's kde telepathy apparently |
| 16:03.49 | Adys | thats even slower :( |
| 16:03.50 | amro | kopete in 3 was really good, but it got the shaft during the upgrade to kde4 |
| 16:03.53 | Adys | telepathy is a good idea |
| 16:03.54 | nevcairiel | telepathy is just an IM framework, i thought |
| 16:04.05 | Adys | nevcairiel: telepathy provides clients as well |
| 16:04.09 | Adys | separately |
| 16:04.12 | nevcairiel | i see |
| 16:04.31 | Adys | but yeah, telepathy is a nice idea but has been horribly implemented |
| 16:04.32 | nevcairiel | http://psi-im.org/ |
| 16:04.36 | nevcairiel | dont know it, google found it |
| 16:04.43 | Adys | yeah just foundf that too |
| 16:04.45 | Adys | looking at it |
| 16:07.37 | jnwhiteh | psi is simple, and a bit too powerful, actually |
| 16:07.38 | jnwhiteh | heh |
| 16:08.11 | jnwhiteh | but it's a decent client! |
| 16:08.57 | amro | I need an application that reaches across the internet and smacks people on my msn into getting a jabber account so I can ditch pidgin |
| 16:09.21 | jnwhiteh | heh |
| 16:09.26 | Adys | all my msners are gone |
| 16:09.29 | Adys | im so proud of that |
| 16:09.36 | jnwhiteh | I need to clean my stuff up |
| 16:09.39 | Adys | and by gone i dont mean i choked them to death |
| 16:09.40 | amro | you serial killer |
| 16:09.43 | jnwhiteh | my contact list is a nightmare |
| 16:09.43 | Adys | most of them switched to gtalk |
| 16:09.51 | amro | did you leave an xmpp closing tag at each crime scene? |
| 16:09.55 | Adys | lol |
| 16:10.18 | Arrowmaster | i have to use msn for xbox ambassador chat |
| 16:10.28 | Arrowmaster | i use it through pidgin though |
| 16:10.36 | Adys | anyone here ever implemented copying/moving/deleting files and folders in qt? |
| 16:10.54 | amro | yes |
| 16:11.10 | Maldivia | system call to mv ? :) |
| 16:11.23 | amro | tries porting Maldivia, but fails |
| 16:11.37 | amro | QDir::rename |
| 16:11.48 | amro | QDir::erase (or delete?) and QDir::rmdir |
| 16:11.55 | amro | but there's no rm -rf equivalent |
| 16:11.59 | amro | you have to iterate and clear each directory youtself |
| 16:12.18 | Adys | i saw something in a mailing list about qdiriterator |
| 16:12.20 | Adys | for that |
| 16:12.37 | amro | nah, it's fairly straightforward really |
| 16:12.42 | Adys | /home/adys/src/chromic/psi/iris/src/irisnet/noncore/stuntypes.cpp:24:20: fatal error: QtCrypto: No such file or directory |
| 16:12.42 | Adys | ffs |
| 16:12.56 | Adys | qca's packaging sucks in ubuntu |
| 16:13.02 | Maldivia | amro: speaking of rm -rf -- just recently found out on windows that rmdir /s basically works the same way (well, it doesn't force if you don't have permissions, but deletes files) |
| 16:13.06 | amro | wtf is with that directory structure? is it java? |
| 16:13.30 | Adys | psi is the git repo |
| 16:13.34 | Adys | iris is the submodule |
| 16:13.41 | Adys | src is the source dir |
| 16:13.41 | amro | Maldivia: that would be helpful, except every single time I use cmd type ls, and then I scream at the monitor |
| 16:13.53 | amro | what's an adys? |
| 16:13.55 | Adys | irisnet is the lib part |
| 16:13.58 | Adys | and noncore nfc |
| 16:15.03 | amro | noncore near field communications? |
| 16:15.17 | amro | that's gotta be the first im client to read rfid tags |
| 16:15.43 | Cide | near fucking communications |
| 16:15.49 | Maldivia | amro: hehe |
| 16:16.21 | Maldivia | amro: the unix tools pack helps a lot with making cmd more usefull |
| 16:17.25 | amro | I worked hard on it at some point, installing a custom terminal, bash, etc |
| 16:17.30 | amro | but it just wasn't the same |
| 16:17.48 | amro | windows just doesn't let you change certain things :/ |
| 16:18.27 | amro | and even if you replicate a unix env, you end up with all your unix stuff in a bubble, and your windows stuff outside of it |
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| 16:28.51 | Adys | wtf |
| 16:28.58 | Adys | amro: psi uses configure with qmake |
| 16:30.04 | bluspacecow | *thunk* zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz ….. time for sleeps inna real bed! |
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| 16:31.28 | amro | configure alone wouldn't handle moc and stuff easily |
| 16:31.37 | amro | and autotools need to die in a fire |
| 16:31.55 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 16:31.57 | Adys | Generating .prl files ... fail |
| 16:31.57 | Adys | Error: need Generate .prl files! |
| 16:31.59 | Adys | wtf is this? |
| 16:32.09 | Ackis | eally? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfBLfpIhV40 lol |
| 16:32.18 | jnwhiteh | I can buy the Nexus S for £283, but the Galaxy Nexus is £519 |
| 16:32.21 | jnwhiteh | that's sadface. |
| 16:32.42 | nevcairiel | Adys: prl files contain information about library dependencies |
| 16:32.57 | Adys | yes but why does it fail at generating them? |
| 16:32.58 | nevcairiel | its some qmake atrocity |
| 16:34.39 | Adys | i dont get what it needs |
| 16:34.44 | Adys | thats what the configure script tells me |
| 16:34.54 | nevcairiel | read the config.log, if it creates such a thing |
| 16:35.04 | amro | Requires Windows 98 or newer (voice feature requires Windows 2000 or newer and DirectX 8 or newer) |
| 16:35.07 | Adys | http://dpaste.com/658153/ |
| 16:35.11 | amro | wait, someone still tests on win9x? |
| 16:35.34 | Adys | nevcairiel: it doesnt |
| 16:35.39 | Adys | this isnt a standard configure script |
| 16:35.42 | Adys | its a shell hack |
| 16:35.52 | nevcairiel | then figure out whatever command its running |
| 16:35.58 | Adys | (well, yeah, configure scripts ARE shell hacks) |
| 16:36.59 | amro | did you install QCA? |
| 16:37.12 | Adys | yea |
| 16:37.16 | Adys | it finds it now |
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| 16:42.54 | Adys | nevcairiel, amro: http://dpaste.com/658156/ |
| 16:43.24 | nevcairiel | wtf is that |
| 16:44.30 | Adys | part of the configure script |
| 16:44.36 | Adys | that checks for prl generation |
| 16:44.53 | Adys | ive never seen anything like it |
| 16:45.32 | nevcairiel | looks like it might be missing the QC_PROFILE variable |
| 16:46.30 | amro | no, they're not using C++ for shell scripting, I didn't just see that |
| 16:46.46 | Adys | hahahahahha |
| 16:46.49 | Adys | amro |
| 16:46.51 | Adys | ../configure |
| 16:46.51 | Adys | Configuring Iris ... |
| 16:46.51 | Adys | Verifying Qt 4 build environment ... ok |
| 16:46.51 | Adys | Checking for Qt >= 4.2 ... yes |
| 16:46.51 | Adys | Checking for QCA >= 2.0 ... yes |
| 16:46.53 | Adys | Checking for zlib ... yes |
| 16:46.56 | Adys | Segmentation fault |
| 16:47.03 | Adys | (Sorry for the multiline paste, this was worth it) |
| 16:47.34 | amro | next thing you know, you'll get a segfault while browsing their site |
| 16:47.47 | nevcairiel | it might happen, your browser is probably C++ |
| 16:47.59 | Adys | my god, what the fuck is this shit |
| 16:48.11 | nevcairiel | get a binary, will you |
| 16:48.25 | durcyn | chrome? there's a fun sync bug in 17 that actually does cause a crash :| |
| 16:48.32 | Adys | amro: their site is down. |
| 16:48.39 | nevcairiel | did they fix the font issue in chrome? |
| 16:48.40 | Adys | nevcairiel: id love to but i cant |
| 16:48.53 | nevcairiel | i'm still on beta channel now because of it. :p |
| 16:49.06 | Adys | if its any good it'll be part of my qt software suite |
| 16:49.18 | Adys | and its auto compiled and everything |
| 16:49.26 | Adys | but the way this looks it wont be part of anything |
| 16:49.30 | Adys | i still want to test it tho |
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| 17:11.03 | Maldivia | ehh... an anti-snoring bear... http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/16/robotic-bear-pillow-stops-your-snoring-by-gently-mauling-your-fa/ |
| 17:13.59 | Fisker | how so jnwhiteh? |
| 17:15.18 | Arrowmaster | pompy: the master assassin strikes again, cleared the cistern on the first try today without being detected and without anybody being left alive |
| 17:21.09 | Ackis | you were pretty stealthy at blizzcon |
| 17:22.32 | Fisker | shut up and take my money |
| 17:22.42 | Ackis | ok |
| 17:22.44 | Ackis | paypal? |
| 17:22.52 | Fisker | no |
| 17:23.21 | Adys | I like the new google analytics |
| 17:23.45 | Fisker | oh ok |
| 17:28.38 | amro | it's thursday Fisker |
| 17:31.41 | Fisker | ok amro |
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| 18:02.19 | Torhal|work | Shirik: Spammer: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showpost.php?p=247431&postcount=14 |
| 18:03.13 | Torhal|work | or idolby ^^ |
| 18:03.38 | nevcairiel | maybe he just likes carbonite? |
| 18:04.00 | Torhal|work | His sig links to a site which offers a "coupon" for the Carbonite backup software |
| 18:11.33 | idolby | thanks Torhal|work :) |
| 18:11.52 | Torhal|work | np |
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| 18:24.35 | Ackis | is there anyway to filter loot by role/type on the mmo-champ loot list thingy? |
| 18:27.29 | Torhal|work | Ackis: Explain. |
| 18:28.03 | nevcairiel | i guess he wants to see stuff he actually can use |
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| 18:37.38 | Cairenn | http://imageftw.com/uploads/20110705/friendship%20turrets.jpg |
| 18:38.40 | Thunder_Child | i hope they shoot rainbows |
| 18:38.42 | Cairenn | DO WANT! |
| 18:41.17 | Ackis | "NYPD are blocking a sidewalk and asking for corporate identification in order for people to get through. People trying to access public transportation are being denied." |
| 18:41.27 | Ackis | remember, remember the 17th of November |
| 18:41.41 | Torhal|work | Ackis: You're a monkey. That is all. |
| 18:41.58 | Ackis | :( |
| 18:42.16 | Torhal|work | Well, at least now you know people were ignoring you instead of you losing your IRC connection... |
| 18:42.19 | Torhal|work | ducks. |
| 18:42.38 | Ackis | yeah thanks :( |
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| 18:46.35 | Ackis | http://i.imgur.com/9yanM.gif |
| 18:46.37 | Ackis | Cairenn: ^ |
| 18:47.00 | nevcairiel | wth is that |
| 18:47.06 | Cairenn | awww |
| 18:47.25 | Ackis | it's a cute! |
| 18:47.29 | Torhal|work | Ackis: http://i.imgur.com/RS5vP.jpg |
| 18:48.00 | alestane | I think it's some sort of sloth, nevca |
| 18:49.10 | nevcairiel | sloths are odd animals |
| 18:50.14 | Ackis | Cairenn: http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/article/1088370--ndp-mp-pat-martin-unapologetic-for-twitter-tirade?bn=1 |
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| 19:00.09 | kd3|netbook | huh. first bit of news I log in to is "Windows 8 secure boot defeated" |
| 19:00.12 | kd3|netbook | starts reading |
| 19:00.53 | Arrowmaster | http://kotaku.com/5860472/how-many-buttons-does-a-pedal+free-pc-racing-controller-need-this-many/gallery/1 |
| 19:01.01 | amro | when has anything not been overridden? |
| 19:01.06 | Arrowmaster | "The unit has been designed, tested, and approved by a team of professional drivers. Where they found a team of professional drivers comfortable with 20 buttons, three dials, and a d-pad on their steering wheel is beyond me." |
| 19:01.13 | Arrowmaster | Formula1? |
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| 19:02.30 | amro | if you're gonna buy that, why not just get pedals? |
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| 19:05.09 | Maldivia | Arrowmaster: NYC taxi drivers? |
| 19:09.42 | Arrowmaster | http://torrentfreak.com/eu-adopts-resolution-against-us-domains-seziures-111117/ |
| 19:12.09 | Arrowmaster | wonder what congresses reaction would be if foreign governments started shutting down US websites using foreign TLDs for either short urls or urls that spell comething including the tld |
| 19:13.35 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: the US would declare war and say that the country has WMD's |
| 19:14.22 | amro | nah Ackis |
| 19:14.29 | amro | the cool new thing is to wage war without declaring it |
| 19:16.26 | kd3|netbook | new thing? have we actually declared war since WWII? |
| 19:16.54 | Arrowmaster | korea? |
| 19:17.09 | amro | iraq twice |
| 19:17.48 | kd3|netbook | korea, sure. I'm not sure we actually declared war on iraq during desert storm or iraqi freedom |
| 19:17.50 | amro | I'm referring to the involvement in libya without congressional vote |
| 19:18.22 | Arrowmaster | yeah thats not new |
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| 19:18.31 | Arrowmaster | its been happening for 10 years |
| 19:18.57 | amro | where? |
| 19:19.03 | amro | I'm pretty sure there was a vote for iraqi freedom |
| 19:20.32 | amro | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Resolution |
| 19:22.00 | amro | in other news, what the fuck internet: http://www.travelgirls.com/ |
| 19:22.05 | amro | as if dating sites weren't creepy enough |
| 19:22.34 | amro | now there's a site where you can find girls that like to go unaccompanied far from home |
| 19:23.24 | Thunder_Child | amro: but if you go with them, then they are not unaccompanied then are they? |
| 19:23.39 | Thunder_Child | s/d then/d / |
| 19:25.45 | amro | I was alluding to them coming to you |
| 19:27.19 | amro | interestingly, "To provide a termination date for the authorization of the use of the Armed Forces of the United States, together with procedures for the extension of such date unless Congress disapproves the extension." -> Amendment SA 4869 not agreed to by Yea-Nay Vote: 31 - 66 |
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| 21:10.08 | Adys | This guy. |
| 21:10.34 | Adys | Asking for volunteers to help authoring more blog posts on a mostly inactive blog |
| 21:10.41 | Adys | "We run the blog out of a Mercurial repository on BitBucket and do the writing in reStructuredText, then publish via Blogger." |
| 21:11.53 | amro | furthermore, posts may only be submitted from a terminal protected by a laser matrix and an electrified aligator moat |
| 21:14.34 | Industrial | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:14.36 | Industrial | ups |
| 21:14.44 | Ackis | ohh now i"m married I get to sign my wife up for a new e-mail account!!! |
| 21:15.09 | Industrial | Ackis: AOL |
| 21:15.18 | Fisker | a |
| 21:15.19 | Thunder_Child | if that gets you excited Ackis, you need a little more spice in your life |
| 21:15.32 | Industrial | Fisker: beat you to it! |
| 21:15.37 | Adys | Thunder_Child: And a different wife |
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| 21:16.08 | Thunder_Child | well it's not like someone picked your wife for you |
| 21:16.40 | Ackis | heh heh her initials are CP |
| 21:16.43 | Thunder_Child | though the thought of Fisker as a matchmaker is an amusing one |
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| 21:17.46 | Industrial | em sew happy. https://github.com/luvit/luvit |
| 21:18.03 | Industrial | now all we need is native lua in every browser and well be all set. |
| 21:18.20 | Industrial | JS can take a hike =D |
| 21:18.51 | Adys | Dart support in wow imo |
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| 21:19.50 | amro | what browsers need is a VM standard |
| 21:20.37 | Industrial | that could work :) |
| 21:20.44 | amro | because they're never going to agree on a language and people are going to use JS as a pseudo vm anyway |
| 21:20.54 | Adys | nacl does that |
| 21:21.09 | amro | nacl goes a step further |
| 21:21.14 | amro | I'm a big fan of nacl though |
| 21:21.19 | amro | I just don't see anyone but google implementing it |
| 21:22.09 | Adys | well |
| 21:22.18 | Adys | to be really honest browsers dont "need" a VM standard |
| 21:22.20 | Adys | nor nacl |
| 21:22.23 | Adys | its a nice addition |
| 21:22.32 | amro | says the guy who gets me to write his javascript :P |
| 21:22.57 | Adys | suck a smelly throbbing cucumber |
| 21:23.12 | amro | I would, but it's not supported in all browsers |
| 21:23.36 | Adys | browsers need to get rid of js |
| 21:23.42 | Adys | but they dont need a VM standard |
| 21:23.57 | Adys | the problem is that as you said theyll never agree on a language |
| 21:24.06 | amro | why get rid of js? it's not that bad |
| 21:24.11 | Adys | but that doesnt mean they need a vm standard, it just means someone needs to push hard for the proper solution |
| 21:24.11 | amro | it's just not suitable for everything |
| 21:24.30 | amro | what's the proper solution if not a vm that you only need to agree on once and upgrade sporadically? |
| 21:25.14 | amro | that still leaves the DOM though |
| 21:25.24 | Adys | yes but thats the problem |
| 21:25.39 | Adys | needs of one day are never the same for ten days |
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| 21:25.50 | Adys | the dom was fine ten years ago, although ugly |
| 21:25.54 | amro | when I think "man I wish I could use <insert language> instead of js for this", it's never because of the DOM, even though it has plenty of issues |
| 21:26.11 | Adys | the thing is |
| 21:26.19 | Adys | right now you think "we need a VM, that would solve all problems" |
| 21:26.51 | amro | I never said it would solve all problems, it would solve the problem of only having one option for development |
| 21:26.56 | Adys | but maybe in ten years you'll think "we shouldn't have done a VM, it's causing all these problems" |
| 21:27.09 | amro | and besides, people are compiling to javascript anyway |
| 21:27.20 | amro | that's highly speculative |
| 21:27.35 | amro | and could be said about anything anyone does to move forward |
| 21:27.49 | Adys | thats true but thats not why i'm saying it |
| 21:28.08 | Adys | i'm saying it to anything that attempts to be a global solution for a future that moves extremely fast |
| 21:29.01 | amro | it's more future proof than language specs, and like I said, people are doing this anyway |
| 21:29.17 | amro | the only 'new' thing would be a performance boost |
| 21:29.36 | AcidWeb | Just drop everyting and use LOGO. Turtle will draw pages. |
| 21:29.47 | Adys | futureproofing is nice when you want to say "I dont want to worry about having to modify this for ages" |
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| 21:29.57 | Industrial | TURTLE ALL THE THINGS |
| 21:30.08 | Industrial | (yes, I was waiting for this moment in the conversation.) |
| 21:30.13 | amro | I second that |
| 21:30.19 | Adys | but when you're on a platform whose future is extremely uncertain within a small amount of time |
| 21:30.34 | Adys | you don't aim for futureproofing, you aim for ease of implementation |
| 21:30.44 | Adys | otherwise, what you'll have is a nice draft |
| 21:31.08 | amro | erm |
| 21:31.10 | amro | so basically you're saying |
| 21:31.16 | amro | fuck it, let's not solve the issue |
| 21:31.59 | Adys | What I'm saying is "let's not attempt to solve it globally, let's try to think of how long things would take to implement" |
| 21:32.30 | Adys | you can see google did that by releasing *both* a VM and a tojs-compiler for dart |
| 21:32.50 | amro | you're not making sense |
| 21:32.54 | Adys | on the web you have two types of standards |
| 21:33.06 | Adys | the ones that come to implement a new feature, and the ones that come to replace something |
| 21:33.23 | Adys | on the former you always want solid futureproofing and extensibility |
| 21:33.32 | Adys | on the latter, you want to make them easy for vendors to implement |
| 21:33.41 | amro | who said this is going to replace js? |
| 21:34.07 | amro | you're assuming the people behind this theoretical draft don't have a clue how to introduce things |
| 21:34.20 | Adys | generally they dont :P |
| 21:34.23 | amro | besides, I'm just saying it's what would be great |
| 21:34.29 | Adys | well yeah |
| 21:34.38 | amro | and that's a nonargument |
| 21:34.43 | Adys | but if its not going to replace js, what you're looking at is.. nacl |
| 21:34.59 | amro | that's like saying, don't make theft illegal because cops are horrible at enforcing it |
| 21:35.05 | amro | stretched example, but you get my point |
| 21:35.18 | Adys | ive used that argument before. |
| 21:35.48 | amro | nacl doesn't fit the bill yet |
| 21:35.54 | Adys | how so? |
| 21:35.55 | amro | it compiles directly to native code now |
| 21:36.00 | amro | there's no portable bytecode |
| 21:36.14 | amro | and any case, I did concede that's nacl would be good for it, just that it wouldn't get adoption |
| 21:36.33 | Adys | thats the point i was trying to make :P |
| 21:36.50 | Adys | what you get is a standard that nobody's implementing apart from the author |
| 21:37.01 | amro | you misunderstand the meaning of "standard" |
| 21:37.08 | amro | I said standard VM, not a VM hoping to be a standard |
| 21:37.36 | amro | a standardized VM that people AGREE on |
| 21:37.42 | Adys | something does scare me about the web as its moving atm |
| 21:38.03 | Adys | it's getting insanely hard to create a new competitor web browser |
| 21:38.54 | amro | it's also insanely hard to compete in lots of domains |
| 21:39.06 | amro | it's just what happens with a mature market |
| 21:39.12 | Adys | not necessarily |
| 21:39.33 | amro | it doesn't apply to all markets, but it applies to this one |
| 21:39.47 | Adys | it could be avoided |
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| 21:40.12 | amro | is this why you were on about implementation? you want web standards to make it easy to make a new browser? |
| 21:40.21 | Adys | by having more open libraries for all the shit most browsers are pretty much hardcoding |
| 21:40.25 | Adys | and no it is not |
| 21:40.57 | Adys | but the more complex your standard is, the less likely browser vendors are to support it |
| 21:41.07 | Adys | nacl is an excellent example of that in fact |
| 21:41.23 | amro | nacl is not a standard |
| 21:41.33 | amro | stop misusing the word |
| 21:41.38 | amro | if it's standard, browser vendors will implement it |
| 21:41.40 | Adys | nacl is an open standard, it's just not a w3c standard |
| 21:41.43 | amro | even microsoft is on board now |
| 21:42.02 | amro | standard needs a context |
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| 21:42.10 | amro | you can't just mix contexts without disambiguatino |
| 21:42.17 | Adys | i just gave you the context, its not a w3c standard, its an open standard |
| 21:42.25 | Adys | in any case it would be easy for google to enforce it; they have a strong hold on the web |
| 21:42.32 | amro | right, but we're also talking about web standards in general |
| 21:42.51 | amro | standards aren't enforced, they are followed |
| 21:43.18 | Adys | there's plenty of standards that are not followed and need to be enforced before they start being followed.. |
| 21:43.29 | Adys | CSP for example |
| 21:43.57 | amro | do you by chance mean promoted? |
| 21:44.00 | amro | enforcement makes no sense |
| 21:44.32 | Adys | wildly, strongly promoted with a "you're full of it if you don't follow it" attitude |
| 21:44.40 | Adys | if you prefer that wording |
| 21:44.43 | Adys | i prefer "enforced" |
| 21:44.49 | Adys | the c makes it sound cool |
| 21:45.22 | Adys | now, help me out |
| 21:45.23 | Adys | https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/hhhaodpfpcgbgeddgddinialfofjkijm |
| 21:45.27 | amro | using nonstandard meanings when talking about standards |
| 21:45.30 | Adys | Im trying to understand what that screenshot is trying to show. |
| 21:45.31 | amro | I think I'm done for the night :) |
| 21:46.33 | amro | it's outlining a cock |
| 21:49.13 | Adys | "I'm not sure how to generate terminal output. I'm w/ linux for under 2 yrs." |
| 21:49.17 | Adys | oO |
| 21:50.15 | Adys | If Linux is starting to have 2-year long users that don't know how to get terminal output from an app, does that mean it's finally a desktop? |
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| 22:09.50 | durcyn | Adys: the SEO garbage on the bottom half of that description makes me want to choke the man to death with a dozen kittens |
| 22:10.18 | amro | snuggly but deadly |
| 22:11.07 | durcyn | the last eleven may be superfluous, but with shenanigans like that you just have to be certain. |
| 22:12.15 | Fisker | b |
| 22:15.53 | amro | Fisker: try this instead http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=om-OUNiE_w4 |
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| 22:56.51 | Fisker | kd3 |
| 22:56.58 | kd3|netbook | ....yeeees? |
| 22:58.48 | Fisker | it was simply my admiration for you :3 |
| 22:58.50 | Fisker | oh god |
| 22:58.53 | Fisker | new beta patch in d3 |
| 22:59.05 | syrae | bananaaaaaaa |
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| 23:03.31 | amro | http://thenextweb.com/insider/2011/11/17/which-tech-companies-back-sopa-microsoft-apple-and-27-others/ |
| 23:07.47 | Stanzilla | Fisker: when |
| 23:07.48 | Stanzilla | what |
| 23:07.50 | Stanzilla | etc |
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| 23:08.14 | syrae | mmm Soup. |
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| 23:09.19 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: now, of course |
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| 23:09.30 | Stanzilla | Gnarfoz: not for me! |
| 23:09.36 | Gnarfoz | sure. |
| 23:09.41 | Gnarfoz | servers are down, etc |
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| 23:09.52 | Stanzilla | ok |
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| 23:34.23 | amro | http://lh5.ggpht.com/_-JcTgDESjmo/Sz6HlniIAJI/AAAAAAAAAG8/5czNghWkhmg/s1600-h/dice-illusion%5B3%5D.jpg |
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| 23:34.28 | amro | this picture is lying to me. make it stop! |
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| 23:38.49 | kd3|netbook | looked at the picture and stopped for a few seconds trying to figure it out |
| 23:39.46 | Thunder_Child | clever, but you can see the editing |
| 23:40.02 | clever | Thunder_Child: ? |
| 23:40.33 | Thunder_Child | i was refering to the picture clever. It helps not to have a common word as a handle |
| 23:40.45 | nebula169 | he can see the pixels, he knows its a photoshop |
| 23:40.54 | clever | ah |
| 23:40.59 | nebula169 | i bet he's seem a lot in his day |
| 23:41.03 | nebula169 | seen* |
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| 23:58.10 | amro | http://baroque.me/ |
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| 23:59.30 | Thunder_Child | i hate hate hate ISP tech support |
