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| 00:21.43 | Adys | Arrowmaster: you'll like this |
| 00:21.44 | Adys | There are the upcoming (currently experimental) webRequest and webNavigation extension APIs, which can assist security oriented extensions with the job of blocking requests. |
| 00:21.57 | Adys | chrome extensions development team^ |
| 00:22.34 | Arrowmaster | if it means chrome can get adblock and noscript that work like the firefox versions then maybe ill switch |
| 00:22.40 | Adys | it does |
| 00:26.16 | starlon | buh buh but Chrome can go fast! |
| 00:26.40 | Adys | ...? |
| 00:27.33 | starlon | just nerd raging |
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| 00:43.04 | Arrowmaster | Adys: so estimated 18 weeks until chrome is usable for me? |
| 00:43.24 | Adys | *shrugs* |
| 00:43.39 | Arrowmaster | thats what the thing i found said |
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| 00:55.31 | Shirik | hi Cide |
| 00:55.35 | Cide | hi Shirik |
| 00:55.49 | Cide | did I mention I got priest healing gloves from bh today? |
| 00:55.54 | Cide | oh wait I didn't |
| 00:56.01 | Cide | mention it, that is |
| 00:56.29 | Shirik | fu |
| 00:58.37 | Cide | :> |
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| 01:03.50 | Cide | hm so |
| 01:04.06 | Cide | is there a way for a css selector to match something while affecting something else |
| 01:04.19 | Cide | like I want to style a div that contains a selected checkbox, for instance |
| 01:04.26 | Cide | don't think that's possible sadly |
| 01:04.42 | Shirik | I am insanely bad at putting eye drops in |
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| 01:11.49 | foxlit | http://eu.media.blizzard.com/wow/media/artwork/wow-bc/region-nagrand-full.jpg << those are kind of neat |
| 01:16.14 | Arrowmaster | that looks so much better than what we got |
| 01:16.42 | KarlKFI | QQ |
| 01:17.11 | Ackis | Cairenn|afk: http://www.thedailytail.com/pictures/solidarity/ |
| 01:18.29 | Gnarfoz | foxlit: meh, it's sad that that's so low-res :< |
| 01:18.48 | KarlKFI | Cide: only with javascript |
| 01:18.55 | Cide | yeah |
| 01:19.09 | Cide | this is for the no-js fallback so that won't do |
| 01:19.33 | KarlKFI | i suggest jQuery's delegate method for styling parents based on arbitrary children |
| 01:20.42 | KarlKFI | that's what i use for styling table rows on hover, for instance |
| 01:27.46 | Shirik | whooo |
| 01:27.50 | Shirik | will be judging at PAX Prime |
| 01:28.12 | KarlKFI | judging what |
| 01:28.17 | Cide | wow tcg |
| 01:28.17 | Shirik | WoW TCG |
| 01:28.19 | Cide | bam |
| 01:28.27 | KarlKFI | fun |
| 01:28.48 | Shirik | you know what makes it even better |
| 01:28.52 | foxlit | wow has a tcg? |
| 01:28.53 | Shirik | my CSPO training is also in Seattle |
| 01:28.54 | KarlKFI | free beer? |
| 01:28.58 | Shirik | the day after PAX prime |
| 01:29.02 | KarlKFI | lol foxlit |
| 01:29.07 | Shirik | it's like it was meant to be |
| 01:29.33 | KarlKFI | i think i've played all of 1 game of the tcg |
| 01:29.41 | Shirik | You should play more |
| 01:29.45 | KarlKFI | i have 3 starter packs |
| 01:29.48 | Shirik | It gets me free stuff |
| 01:30.04 | foxlit | they keep insisting on putting them into CE boxes |
| 01:30.19 | KarlKFI | too busy playing virtual games. plus it's way easier to find people to play virtual games with |
| 01:34.52 | Arrowmaster | so i have a CRT with a vga cable going bad |
| 01:35.07 | KarlKFI | doomed |
| 01:35.23 | Arrowmaster | wonder how hard it would be to cut it off and replace it |
| 01:35.58 | Arrowmaster | that or just find a cheap monitor that can display 1600x1200 |
| 01:36.37 | Arrowmaster | wonder if i can force a mode line to display 1600x1200 for my other crt that doesnt normally support it |
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| 01:38.19 | KarlKFI | the interwebs says splicing is possible, but they use twisted pairs, so you want to avoid untwisting them as much as possible or they might desync. but people have done it before |
| 01:39.08 | KarlKFI | the other option is to opent he monitor and replace the whole cable |
| 01:39.41 | Arrowmaster | really i should just replace the damn thing, its colors are messed up anyway making it too dark |
| 01:39.48 | KarlKFI | but of course you'd need to ground it properly to avoid dying |
| 01:40.02 | Arrowmaster | i know how to discharge a CRT |
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| 01:52.31 | Cairenn|afk | Ackis: awwww |
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| 02:29.16 | kd3 | undischarged CRTs are fun fun fun |
| 02:29.39 | kd3 | remembers his high school physics professor nearly killing himself playing with one thinking it was already discharged |
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| 03:11.49 | kd3 | ok, wtf congress: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-07-22/u-s-house-stops-voting-for-week-with-no-action-to-keep-faa-operating.html |
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| 03:16.25 | Arrowmaster | damnit i already bought my tickets for blizzcon |
| 03:18.04 | Dagmar | Yeah, that's um... terrible, man. |
| 03:18.32 | Arrowmaster | "Furloughed employees would include engineers, administrative assistants and computer specialists. Air traffic controllers, considered essential employees, are exempt. " |
| 03:18.43 | Arrowmaster | arent the air traffic systems highly computerized |
| 03:19.10 | Arrowmaster | how are computer specialists not considered essential then? |
| 03:19.26 | kd3 | we'll find out in 40 minutes or so |
| 03:19.58 | Dagmar | For some reason they've never been able to get a fully-automated flight control system working |
| 03:20.22 | kd3 | largely because we don't want literal blue screens of death |
| 03:20.30 | Arrowmaster | if the system crashes and nobody will come in to fix it because they wont get paid that would be a good lesson for them |
| 03:20.49 | Arrowmaster | i doubt they can operate on an entirely analog system anymore though |
| 03:23.47 | Dagmar | kd3: yeah truly if Microsoft got that contract I would have to get a pilot's licence before you'd get me in the air again |
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| 03:38.27 | Arrowmaster | lol theres a laughing man logo used as part of another logo in the new flashpoint |
| 03:38.39 | Arrowmaster | thats fucking awesome |
| 03:46.18 | airtonix | why? |
| 03:46.38 | Dagmar | Deaf-mutes. |
| 03:49.44 | airtonix | oh wow |
| 03:49.45 | airtonix | lawl |
| 03:50.54 | airtonix | this part is the best |
| 03:50.54 | airtonix | "Carriers will have to reprogram their computer systems and websites to stop charging the taxes on tickets they sell, " |
| 03:50.55 | airtonix | lawl |
| 03:51.18 | Dagmar | That wont' actually be a big deal unless they're still using shit written by COBOL programmers |
| 03:51.22 | airtonix | watch them scramble to contact those visual basic programmers that made them shitty .net websites |
| 03:51.27 | Dagmar | Change tax value to zero. Done. |
| 03:52.23 | Dagmar | "Damn nearly a constant" or not, taxes change. No one in their right mind (See also: COBOL programmers) would hard-code that in a way that would be impossible to change. |
| 03:54.15 | airtonix | dude |
| 03:54.29 | airtonix | hard coding shit is not restricted to cobol programmers |
| 03:54.50 | airtonix | its basically the realm of short sighted programmers |
| 03:54.54 | airtonix | that rush shit |
| 03:55.21 | airtonix | i'm still cleaning up a django project that has all the urls to hard coded in the templates and views |
| 03:55.35 | airtonix | instead of using named urlconfs |
| 03:55.49 | airtonix | and he used the most retarded url scheme |
| 03:57.25 | Dagmar | airtonix: Yeah, but most of the COBOL stuff was written when people were still largely stupid as hell about those sorts of things |
| 03:58.02 | xyphoid | that seems pretty generous to modern programmers I think |
| 03:58.20 | Dagmar | Programmers *do* learn through pain, but slowly. |
| 03:58.42 | Dagmar | Hence why we have slightly fewer unchecked buffers after over a decade of screaming about it |
| 03:59.45 | airtonix | i feel like a bastard when i have to explain why making a simple change ends up being a game of jenga due the contractors scheme of things |
| 04:00.02 | Dagmar | "Go To Statement Considered Harmful" was written in 1968. |
| 04:00.11 | Dagmar | Think about how long that took to trickle down |
| 04:00.30 | Arrowmaster | and yet lua 5.2 introduces goto |
| 04:00.31 | airtonix | well yeah |
| 04:00.38 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: LOL |
| 04:01.03 | airtonix | Dagmar: you think it's a sign when my university lecturer personal page says he specialises in "configurable systems" |
| 04:01.09 | airtonix | lawl |
| 04:01.32 | Dagmar | Have you asked him what that's supposed to mean? |
| 04:01.52 | airtonix | this isn't just the lecturer, he's the CEO if the computer science department |
| 04:02.08 | Dagmar | Oh wait, I know a guy like that |
| 04:02.34 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:03.13 | airtonix | so how do i get the alpine tree trunk with /give command ? |
| 04:03.22 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:03.23 | airtonix | it's id is 17 2 |
| 04:03.32 | Dagmar | airtonix: item:modifier |
| 04:03.46 | airtonix | so /give airtonix 17:2 |
| 04:03.54 | Dagmar | *probably* |
| 04:04.03 | airtonix | nice |
| 04:04.05 | Dagmar | Depends on if they updated their code for that |
| 04:04.17 | Dagmar | TMI still doesn't really get it right |
| 04:05.26 | Dagmar | I am *guessing* the quandry there is whether or not the /give command actually handles it properly, which is still pretty much up in the air |
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| 04:06.17 | Dagmar | I started to rejigger the list in that so the item organization made sense and then I got sidetracked about whether or not it would be terribly complex to just add a hook to the server so the client could query what item numbers were available |
| 04:07.30 | Dagmar | I'd rather be doing it as a specific packet type, but that'll just make for more problems |
| 04:08.27 | Dagmar | I'll probably put a request on getsatisfaction with the skeleton format I cooked up |
| 04:10.10 | Dagmar | just a packet type with two longs required... one for length (obviously) and the other for whatever handler, so the client or server can both easily discard the packet if it has no idea what the hell the other is on about |
| 04:10.54 | Dagmar | There are a LOT of things that could be made a crapload easier if we could extend the protocol like that |
| 04:12.19 | Dagmar | Dump a list of strings enumerating installed server mods for one thing |
| 04:13.08 | Dagmar | Mainly to get out of having to spew it as a bloody text string and have the client coughing up ugly garbage lines |
| 04:13.40 | Dagmar | ...or a client mod having to make a query without it just being logspam |
| 04:14.30 | Cide | Shirik :( |
| 04:14.34 | Cide | you left! |
| 04:17.53 | Shirik | Cide! |
| 04:17.53 | Shirik | I'm back |
| 04:17.58 | Shirik | I had to check something |
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| 04:27.20 | Cide | tab in |
| 04:27.43 | Cide | Shirik |
| 04:30.17 | Shirik | omg Cide |
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| 04:43.36 | kd3 | huh; this is pretty neat. a minecart station with no visible tracks in the arrival/departures area |
| 04:43.37 | kd3 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufBys9mlrtE |
| 04:44.09 | Dagmar | This I gotta see |
| 04:44.42 | Cide | GRAWP |
| 04:44.58 | Shirik | hi Cide |
| 04:45.06 | Cide | hi |
| 04:45.59 | Dagmar | Oh wow |
| 04:46.03 | Dagmar | That is *slick* |
| 04:48.55 | Cide | tem |
| 04:48.57 | Cide | foxlit |
| 04:49.01 | Cide | where are people |
| 04:49.05 | Cide | Shadowed |
| 04:49.11 | Shadowed | hai |
| 04:49.18 | Shadowed | Cidan |
| 04:49.36 | Cide | come play sc2 |
| 04:49.53 | Shadowed | busy |
| 04:49.55 | Shadowed | and by busy |
| 04:49.57 | Shadowed | I mean reading books |
| 04:50.01 | Cide | noooo |
| 04:50.03 | Cide | arranged 4v4 |
| 04:50.06 | Cide | it will be excellent |
| 04:50.15 | Shadowed | nope |
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| 04:57.28 | Dagmar | @#$@ I was actually trying to do this three days ago http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7T7r9KFgG94 |
| 05:10.46 | Shirik | Shadowed |
| 05:10.49 | Shirik | Come play SC2 |
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| 05:14.39 | kd3 | good grief... the aether mod got released 5 hours ago and the forum thread's already up to page 56 |
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| 05:24.47 | Dagmar | zergs the download page |
| 05:31.32 | bluspacecow | wot u downloading daggy ? |
| 05:31.51 | Dagmar | http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/495374-173-aether-collaboration-mod-v100/ |
| 05:31.51 | kd3 | http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/495374-173-aether-collaboration-mod-v100/ |
| 05:32.03 | bluspacecow | O_O |
| 05:32.05 | Dagmar | Probably the first major third-party mod that doesn't appear to be a complete load of crap |
| 05:32.06 | bluspacecow | twins! |
| 05:32.09 | Dagmar | ...and it's MAJOR |
| 05:33.02 | Dagmar | I hate to say it but NOtch is going to have to maybe seriosuly bring his A game to compete with that for 1.8 |
| 05:34.22 | bluspacecow | imma download it too |
| 05:34.33 | bluspacecow | oh noes adf.ly |
| 05:34.45 | bluspacecow | but then im not a cheapskate like certain idiotic MC players |
| 05:35.35 | Dagmar | I *really* want ad.fly to slip up |
| 05:35.38 | bluspacecow | i heard that's why the humans+ author isn't updating his mod now - too much QQ about his adf.ly links for download |
| 05:35.39 | Dagmar | Just once more |
| 05:35.50 | Dagmar | Because ad.fly are a bunch of criminals. |
| 05:37.11 | Dagmar | It's just the same old "Oh it's not us it's our downstream ad customers" crap |
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| 05:38.51 | Dagmar | He'd probably make more money if he just put up a paypal donation link |
| 05:39.07 | Dagmar | $5 for 10,000 victims is pretty chump change |
| 05:44.50 | airtonix | Dagmar: umadbro? |
| 05:45.43 | airtonix | why so much qq? |
| 05:45.47 | airtonix | about adfly |
| 05:45.51 | airtonix | i don't understand |
| 05:45.55 | airtonix | i use chrome |
| 05:45.59 | airtonix | i visit the link |
| 05:46.05 | airtonix | and it's just a bar across the top |
| 05:46.06 | Dagmar | For the same reason you don't let violent criminals hang out in front of elementary schools |
| 05:46.09 | airtonix | saying skip add |
| 05:46.14 | airtonix | and i;m like wot ad? |
| 05:46.16 | airtonix | ok skip |
| 05:46.22 | Dagmar | You seem to be overlooking the drive-by malware installs |
| 05:46.35 | airtonix | stop using bad operating system k? |
| 05:47.03 | Dagmar | Not to mention that about half the "ads" are a few misleading graphics saying "Click here to download" and it's _never_ the actual thing the person was looking for or would want |
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| 05:47.17 | airtonix | oh right |
| 05:47.22 | airtonix | but i never see the advert |
| 05:47.48 | airtonix | maybe no one told them it's broken on chrome |
| 05:47.55 | Dagmar | That doesn't mean it's altogether appropriate to let them continue victimizing people who dont' know any better. |
| 05:48.05 | airtonix | like microsoft? |
| 05:48.16 | Dagmar | There are a ton of _little kids_ playing MC. |
| 05:48.35 | Dagmar | While they might be better at using a computer than their parents that's really not saying much |
| 05:49.02 | airtonix | stop using windows, problem solved |
| 05:49.29 | Dagmar | Yes and generally ignoring that issue is how we get botnets involving hundreds of thousands of hosts |
| 05:49.46 | bluspacecow_ | http://www.tuaw.com/2011/07/22/several-apple-notebook-models-susceptible-to-battery-hack/ |
| 05:49.49 | bluspacecow_ | lolz |
| 05:50.10 | Dagmar | Organized crime distributing malware shoudl be punished by flaying and quartering |
| 05:50.30 | mckenziemc1 | puts bluspacecow_ on ping timeout |
| 05:50.56 | bluspacecow_ | ... |
| 05:50.57 | airtonix | bluspacecow_: once a hacker has this password |
| 05:50.58 | airtonix | lawl |
| 05:51.01 | airtonix | LAWL |
| 05:51.08 | airtonix | bluspacecow_: i lol'd |
| 05:51.17 | Dagmar | I doubt anything will do anything widespread with that |
| 05:51.28 | airtonix | to get the password you need the laptop first ? |
| 05:51.35 | Dagmar | Although it would be kidna funny it's hard to spread a worm that kills the victim machine |
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| 06:41.50 | Corrodias | battery...firmware? |
| 06:41.54 | Corrodias | code execution? |
| 06:42.10 | kd3 | it's apple. they put firmware in everything |
| 06:42.15 | kd3 | see: thunderbolt cables |
| 06:43.25 | Corrodias | counts off on his fingers what a battery is supposed to do. let's see... one, provide electrical charge; two, don't explode... oh yeah, and lithium batteries have a little extra logic so they don't die forever from undercharging. |
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| 06:44.04 | Corrodias | i guess Apple wanted to be really super careful about that part and put a whole separate computer inside the battery so it knows how much power it has left. |
| 06:44.15 | Corrodias | and i've run out of punctuation. |
| 06:44.53 | mckenziemc1 | undercharging+overcharging |
| 06:45.08 | Corrodias | oh, well, there you go. that's what the computer's for. |
| 06:45.44 | Dagmar | Well, that lets them not require sofwtare updates if you get a different _kind_ of battery |
| 06:47.21 | Corrodias | you had me going for a second there. |
| 06:47.43 | mckenziemc1 | gotta love materials that are more susceptible to heating in regions that are already hot |
| 06:48.07 | mckenziemc1 | if i'm remembering correctly |
| 06:51.22 | bluspacecow | they liek their firmware alright...even put it in USB keyboards |
| 06:52.03 | mckenziemc1 | "From now on, we allow our users to DISABLE pop-ups. All you have to do is SHARE this download page on your facebook wall and we will remove *ALL* popups for you for 7 days. After a week, if you'd like to disable pop-ups again, simply share once more!" |
| 06:52.06 | Dagmar | USB keyboards have to speak USB. |
| 06:52.12 | Dagmar | They already need firmware. |
| 06:52.30 | Corrodias | Xzibit hired by Apple. decides to put a computer in your computer. |
| 06:52.40 | bluspacecow | but how much firmware do they need for that Daggy ? enough to install a keylogger ? |
| 06:52.44 | Dagmar | Actually I wasn't joking about the battery thing. |
| 06:52.57 | Dagmar | I wind up replacing the batteries in most of my portables with larger units. |
| 06:53.24 | Dagmar | If they weren't able to communicate back to the host about what type of battery they were and their relative capacity, they'd suck as much as HP netbook batteries |
| 06:53.35 | Dagmar | ...which basically tell you how much power they ahve left and that's about it. |
| 06:53.42 | Corrodias | i don't understand. they can't just tell the device "i have 50% left"? |
| 06:53.53 | Dagmar | ...and it's strictly a guess the host has to come up with |
| 06:54.25 | Corrodias | is... is this a problem? what does the device need to know, aside from the charge level? |
| 06:54.34 | Dagmar | It's basically a voltometer reading off the battery on those, which is perfectly useless unless you know the discharge profile |
| 06:54.38 | Corrodias | sorry, i come from an age gone by in which that's pretty much all every device knows |
| 06:54.50 | bluspacecow | they need to tell the computer "i'm a sexy beast" in 64 bits and once every 4 seconds |
| 06:54.59 | Dagmar | My VAIO *knows* it's got a 9-cell now |
| 06:55.08 | bluspacecow | and a 9 mm |
| 06:55.20 | mckenziemc1 | : / |
| 06:55.25 | Corrodias | oh, okay, you're right, it was only accurate if you were using the kind of battery it expected. but i figured these smart batteries would be, you know... less dumb. |
| 06:55.56 | Dagmar | I suspect that's a matter of it acutally being really cheap to get dinky general purpose microcontrollers |
| 06:55.59 | Corrodias | why make the software adjust to discharge profiles if you're going to put a computer on the battery? i bet it could calculate the charge itself. |
| 06:56.33 | Corrodias | sorry, i might not understand the whole picture. in fact, i'm sure i don't. just trying to keep things simple and compatible. |
| 06:56.56 | Dagmar | Because you can put the intelligence about how many volts the battery should have at full, what it's internal resistance is, incorporate a thermal sensor (*hoho!*) and a few other tidbits basically for free and have the entire thing talk over i2c for like a nickle |
| 06:57.04 | Dagmar | Those chips are cheap in bulk |
| 06:57.35 | Dagmar | ...and if you ever wanted to go the jackass route of putting DRM in your battery like printer companies do with some ink cartridges... well... |
| 06:58.01 | bluspacecow | wot |
| 06:58.11 | bluspacecow | why you need DRM on an ink catridge ffs ? |
| 06:58.24 | Dagmar | To make sure no one can buy ink from anyone but you |
| 06:58.33 | Dagmar | Thank Lexmark for that one |
| 06:58.44 | Corrodias | makes business sense to me. which means it makes no sense outside of a business context, but there you go. |
| 06:58.59 | mckenziemc1 | vendor lock-in, not DRM :p |
| 06:58.59 | Xzempt | is "-" part of the special characters for regex ? |
| 06:59.10 | mckenziemc1 | yes |
| 06:59.15 | Xzempt | hmm |
| 06:59.22 | Xzempt | thanks |
| 06:59.25 | Dagmar | DRM == shorter to type |
| 06:59.51 | mckenziemc1 | but quite inaccurate! |
| 07:01.46 | Dagmar | Also, if Apple decided they wanted to invalidate warranties if someone used a third-party replacement battery, there's that |
| 07:02.33 | Dagmar | On the semi-useful but not implemented side of that, you could basically disable the battery if certain conditions indicating hardware theft are met |
| 07:02.52 | Dagmar | IBm has some stuff that will do that to both the motherboard and the hard drive |
| 07:02.55 | Xzempt | so why doesnt print(string.match(arg1, "<www.my\-website.com>)) return a match when arg1 definitely has <www.my-website.com> in it? |
| 07:03.18 | Dagmar | Unclosed quotes? |
| 07:03.31 | Xzempt | i just typod it |
| 07:03.34 | Xzempt | its right in the code |
| 07:04.21 | mckenziemc1 | keep in mind lua doesn't use regex; lua calls its implementation "patterns", and it has some differences |
| 07:04.21 | Dagmar | Well, you overlooked the same thign some guy the other night did |
| 07:04.26 | Dagmar | It's not POSIX regex |
| 07:04.32 | mckenziemc1 | first, your \- should be %- |
| 07:04.32 | Dagmar | You escape with %, not \ |
| 07:04.45 | Xzempt | oh |
| 07:04.47 | nevcairiel | its not any kind of regex |
| 07:04.51 | nevcairiel | its simple pattern matching |
| 07:04.54 | Xzempt | i guess i need to escape the "." as well |
| 07:05.03 | mckenziemc1 | also, website.com in the pattern would match websiteXcom |
| 07:05.05 | mckenziemc1 | yeah |
| 07:05.10 | mckenziemc1 | it shouldn't break it in this case though |
| 07:05.38 | Xzempt | sweet that works now |
| 07:05.39 | Xzempt | thanks |
| 07:05.39 | Xzempt | lol |
| 07:06.13 | Dagmar | Refer to http://www.lua.org/pil/20.2.html when later suprises come up |
| 07:06.22 | Dagmar | They will the first time you try .? |
| 07:06.28 | Dagmar | er .* |
| 07:06.44 | nevcairiel | whats so special about .* |
| 07:06.53 | Dagmar | It'll eat the entire rest of the string. |
| 07:07.00 | mckenziemc1 | or the reference manual |
| 07:07.08 | nevcairiel | isnt .* always greedy |
| 07:07.08 | Dagmar | "hithere.*Iwontmatchadamnthingever" |
| 07:07.26 | Dagmar | "hithere.-thiswillactuallywork" |
| 07:07.48 | Dagmar | It's _really_ greedy in lua |
| 07:07.54 | nevcairiel | lua> "foo bar":match("foo.*bar") |
| 07:07.55 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near '"foo bar"' |
| 07:08.02 | nevcairiel | lua> ("foo bar"):match("foo.*bar") |
| 07:08.02 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: foo bar |
| 07:08.06 | Xzempt | i first tried <www(.*)my(.*)website(.*)com> |
| 07:08.07 | Xzempt | lol |
| 07:08.08 | nevcairiel | i dont see your point |
| 07:08.11 | Xzempt | that was WAYYYY to broad |
| 07:08.27 | Dagmar | It was completely breaking someone's matcher the other night |
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| 07:09.40 | Dagmar | Changing it to .- for shortest matching sequence fixed it |
| 07:10.02 | Dagmar | The paragraph on that page starting with "Like `*´, the modifier `-´ also matches zero or more occurrences of characters of the original class." explains it |
| 07:10.04 | mckenziemc1 | idk why it worked for nev but not for the other guy |
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| 07:10.25 | nevcairiel | i'm just superior |
| 07:10.30 | mckenziemc1 | lol |
| 07:11.11 | Dagmar | lua> "hey nahne nahne":match(".*hey.*nahne.*nahne.*") |
| 07:11.12 | lua_bot | Dagmar: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near '"hey nahne nahne"' |
| 07:11.25 | nevcairiel | you need to wrap it in () |
| 07:11.27 | Dagmar | *facepalm* |
| 07:11.38 | Dagmar | lua> ("hey nahne nahne"):match(".*hey.*nahne.*nahne.*") |
| 07:11.39 | lua_bot | Dagmar: hey nahne nahne |
| 07:11.50 | Dagmar | Freaking bizarre |
| 07:12.38 | Dagmar | Hmm... |
| 07:13.17 | Dagmar | lua> (""int x; /* x */ int y; /* y */"):match("/%*.*%*/") |
| 07:13.18 | lua_bot | Dagmar: luabot:1: ')' expected near 'int' |
| 07:13.33 | Dagmar | lua> ("int x; /* x */ int y; /* y */"):match("/%*.*%*/") |
| 07:13.33 | lua_bot | Dagmar: /* x */ int y; /* y */ |
| 07:14.03 | nevcairiel | in this case its of course meant to be greedy like this |
| 07:14.06 | Dagmar | lua> ("int x; /* x */ int y; /* y */"):match("/%*.-%*/") |
| 07:14.06 | lua_bot | Dagmar: /* x */ |
| 07:14.20 | nevcairiel | but every regex behaves like this |
| 07:15.53 | Dagmar | What it looked like the other night was that the first .* was eating the rest of the line and he had string left over |
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| 07:18.40 | Dagmar | It was probably slipping gears between groups of literals |
| 07:19.19 | Dagmar | Bleh too tired to mess with it anymore |
| 07:19.51 | bluspacecow | click here. |
| 07:19.54 | bluspacecow | dear lord |
| 07:20.04 | bluspacecow | the font on the corp. intranet makes that look like dick here |
| 07:20.49 | Dagmar | lol |
| 07:20.54 | Dagmar | Well, it *is* on the internet |
| 07:21.06 | karl_w_w | s/er/ra/ |
| 07:22.35 | Dagmar | Yeah and porn wants to be free. |
| 07:22.38 | mckenziemc1 | oh |
| 07:22.49 | Dagmar | It *finds* a way unless you use airgap |
| 07:23.01 | mckenziemc1 | i just checked purl's logs, it looks like he had a .* at the front of his match string that was breaking it |
| 07:23.13 | mckenziemc1 | http://ibot.rikers.org//%23wowuidev/20110721.html.gz at 6:19 |
| 07:23.39 | mckenziemc1 | * is 'one or more' right? |
| 07:23.56 | mckenziemc1 | no, nvm |
| 07:24.02 | Dagmar | I was there. LIke I said the main reason I knew to look carefully at those was that I'd already burned my own fingers on the whole "NOT POSIX regexp" things to the point where I don't even try to think of them like that anymore |
| 07:24.27 | lucky | oh boy http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/917102640?page=3#41 :( |
| 07:24.56 | mckenziemc1 | hmm |
| 07:25.39 | Dagmar | *pedobear.jpg* |
| 07:25.50 | kd3 | hoooly shit |
| 07:26.08 | lucky | there's another thread where a guildmate refers to him as "Anders" |
| 07:26.12 | lucky | so that's that, huh. |
| 07:26.20 | lucky | hopefully WoW doesn't get blamed :s |
| 07:26.22 | Dagmar | I'm going to assume that no one ahs the bad taste to be pretending to be the guy wot set off that bomb |
| 07:26.34 | lucky | well, look at the date |
| 07:26.39 | lucky | they either hacked blizzard's forums or what? ;p |
| 07:27.51 | Dagmar | November 30th 2010? |
| 07:28.21 | Dagmar | Well if it's not just a coincidence this weekend's raids are going to be a little awkward for Nevermore |
| 07:29.00 | Dagmar | [FillInMage]: So what happened to the other mage you guys had? |
| 07:29.11 | lucky | :/ |
| 07:30.58 | karl_w_w | um |
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| 07:31.44 | karl_w_w | how is this adopt a pet news on mmo champ, well, news? |
| 07:33.16 | Mr_Rabies | it's about to end, that's why |
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| 07:42.10 | starlon | lies. it's news cause the Government says it's news! |
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| 07:57.53 | airtonix | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JR_TFFa9xg |
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| 09:19.16 | Fisker | airtonix |
| 09:20.18 | airtonix | GAHHH luk wut u gun n dun |
| 09:26.01 | Fisker | wow |
| 09:31.53 | Alram | hej |
| 09:32.14 | Fisker | so Alram |
| 09:32.18 | Fisker | he beat the record |
| 09:32.25 | Fisker | but lost points to not an hro |
| 09:32.26 | Fisker | hero |
| 09:32.34 | Alram | who |
| 09:32.41 | Fisker | that norwegian guy |
| 09:33.01 | Alram | dick |
| 09:33.12 | karl_w_w | I was going to say, "who, xxxx?" |
| 09:33.22 | karl_w_w | but I can't think of a single norwegian person |
| 09:34.37 | karl_w_w | who, edvard munch? |
| 09:36.57 | nevcairiel | haste is from .no, blame him |
| 09:38.32 | Fisker | i like the media though |
| 09:38.46 | Fisker | one our newspapers is already mentioning he like MW2 where you can play as a terrorist |
| 09:38.55 | Fisker | and Dexter that is about a serial killer |
| 09:38.56 | Fisker | herp derp |
| 09:39.03 | Maldivia | http://cheezcomixed.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/koma-comic-strip-you-win-internets-if-you-get-this.jpg -- heck, they'll never know the two |
| 09:39.16 | airtonix | wut |
| 10:06.54 | Corrodias | lol |
| 10:06.58 | Corrodias | at the image |
| 10:07.03 | Corrodias | from half an hour ago |
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| 10:13.34 | Fisker | aww Alram |
| 10:14.07 | Fisker | no "This is/Welcome to/Who are you? Torchwood" this time |
| 10:20.41 | Alram | ok |
| 10:20.46 | Alram | watching in 5 min |
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| 10:30.29 | olafski | shouldn't the latest newspost on mmoc say "dream paragon killed ragnaros 10man"? :s |
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| 10:45.18 | zenzelezz | man, 84 confirmed killed in yesterday's shooting at the political youth gathering (in Norway) :-| |
| 11:00.13 | airtonix | i thought norway didn't have cops |
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| 11:07.06 | Fisker | didn't you see the movie? |
| 11:08.13 | Fisker | actually that was swedish apparently |
| 11:11.59 | airtonix | umadbro |
| 11:12.23 | Fisker | lol |
| 11:12.27 | Fisker | shit is going bananas :O |
| 11:12.37 | Fisker | Witnesses think they saw a second guy |
| 11:12.58 | Fisker | and a third guy just got arrested with a knife at a hotel where the norwegian prime minister just arrived |
| 11:12.59 | Fisker | :O |
| 11:13.07 | airtonix | lawl |
| 11:13.19 | airtonix | was he in a scuba diving outfit? |
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| 11:16.23 | p3lim | ~seen tekkub |
| 11:16.28 | purl | tekkub <~tekkub@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/GitHub/Tekkub> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 4d 6h 1m 45s ago, saying: 'does wow still try to stay under 2GiB ram use at all times?'. |
| 11:16.36 | Fisker | naw airtonix |
| 11:16.37 | Fisker | that's me |
| 11:19.56 | Fisker | that question sounds stupid |
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| 11:44.35 | Wobin | Maldivia: haha |
| 11:44.57 | Fisker | http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/761479752/twitter-based-active-directory-management <-LOL |
| 11:48.48 | airtonix | wut |
| 11:49.16 | airtonix | on an iphone too |
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| 12:09.48 | wereHamster | is there a list of all addons and their official svn/git/hg repositories? |
| 12:09.57 | wereHamster | or do I have to manually assemble that list? |
| 12:11.46 | airtonix | good job! |
| 12:12.02 | airtonix | i support your willingness to undertake this project 100% |
| 12:12.22 | wereHamster | who said I'm willing to do that? |
| 12:12.27 | airtonix | i just did |
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| 12:42.02 | Fisker | i pledge a dollar to your project wereHamster |
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| 13:04.06 | zenzelezz | good thing we have Unicode... http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/1f4a9/index.htm |
| 13:04.39 | Fisker | hey zenzelezz |
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| 13:21.46 | bleeter | Fisker: |
| 13:22.09 | Fisker | bleeter |
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| 14:36.07 | karl_w_w | is there a chant or something you can get to increase skinning skill? |
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| 14:39.23 | foxlit | yes |
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| 14:44.33 | Xinhuan | yes karl_w_w |
| 14:44.47 | Xinhuan | that chant is "Just one more mob" |
| 14:45.10 | Arrowmaster | 2 |
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| 14:53.27 | foxlit | gr, remapping additional mouse buttons is a mess |
| 14:54.42 | Xinhuan | i stick to mice with at most 5 buttons :P |
| 14:54.59 | foxlit | but more buttons are awesome! |
| 14:55.39 | Xinhuan | so do you use a steelseries wow mouse? hehe |
| 14:58.15 | foxlit | that has a surprisingly awful button layout |
| 14:59.52 | vincoof | you are having trouble writing an addon with UI buttons that react to all your mouse buttons ? |
| 15:00.17 | Arrowmaster | wow only supports 5 mouse buttons |
| 15:00.35 | jnwhiteh | Arrowmaster: .. no |
| 15:00.39 | jnwhiteh | it supports all 15 of mine |
| 15:00.41 | jnwhiteh | natively |
| 15:00.58 | Arrowmaster | just about all games only support 5 mouse buttons max because thats a limit to windows games |
| 15:01.02 | airtonix | it supports all 428 of mine |
| 15:01.05 | Arrowmaster | jnwhiteh: wow has special support for yours |
| 15:01.08 | Gnarfoz | natively is a lie |
| 15:01.13 | jnwhiteh | still makes your statement false |
| 15:01.18 | foxlit | also, that native support kind of sucks |
| 15:01.19 | Gnarfoz | "especially" might be true |
| 15:01.25 | foxlit | /console gxrestart and it's gone. |
| 15:01.32 | Gnarfoz | haha, really? awesome |
| 15:01.43 | airtonix | no not really |
| 15:02.11 | Arrowmaster | jnwhiteh: does it only work with special software for the mouse installed? |
| 15:02.19 | jnwhiteh | no software installed. |
| 15:02.22 | jnwhiteh | it is native support. |
| 15:02.33 | airtonix | no |
| 15:02.34 | jnwhiteh | button4-button15 |
| 15:02.46 | airtonix | wow has special code for the mouse |
| 15:02.49 | airtonix | that's why |
| 15:02.49 | jnwhiteh | yes |
| 15:02.53 | jnwhiteh | so WoW NATIVELY supports it |
| 15:02.56 | jnwhiteh | I don't need to do anything else. |
| 15:03.01 | jnwhiteh | I didn't say my 'OS" natively supports it |
| 15:03.02 | jnwhiteh | but WoW does. |
| 15:03.06 | airtonix | umadbro? |
| 15:03.14 | jnwhiteh | no, but you're being wrong on the internet. |
| 15:03.17 | Arrowmaster | i bet it wouldnt work on linux with wine because wow is looking directly at the hardware |
| 15:03.19 | airtonix | hoho |
| 15:04.30 | Gnarfoz | it's still special support for one piece of hardware |
| 15:04.51 | jnwhiteh | 16:00 Arrowmaster: wow only supports 5 mouse buttons |
| 15:04.53 | jnwhiteh | This statement is false. |
| 15:04.54 | jnwhiteh | that's all. |
| 15:05.07 | foxlit | that's lovely and everything |
| 15:05.09 | Arrowmaster | fine, wow only supports 5 generic mouse buttons |
| 15:05.09 | airtonix | you can goto sleep now |
| 15:05.10 | Gnarfoz | Windows does |
| 15:05.11 | Wobin | "This statement is false" |
| 15:05.15 | jnwhiteh | airtonix: no thanks. |
| 15:05.18 | foxlit | But it doesn't get me any closer to getting buttons 6, 7 to work with this mouse. |
| 15:05.19 | jnwhiteh | Wobin: or is it? |
| 15:05.19 | Wobin | <3 paradox =P |
| 15:05.20 | Gnarfoz | or rather, windows' default HID drivers |
| 15:05.28 | jnwhiteh | Gnarfoz: no |
| 15:05.31 | jnwhiteh | works on my mac as well |
| 15:05.38 | Wobin | dontthinkaboutitdontthinkaboutitdontthinkaboutit |
| 15:05.44 | Gnarfoz | jnwhiteh: read again |
| 15:05.45 | airtonix | LAWL |
| 15:06.00 | Gnarfoz | windows' default HID drivers only support 5 buttons |
| 15:06.16 | jnwhiteh | that is true |
| 15:06.29 | jnwhiteh | crippled imo |
| 15:06.34 | Gnarfoz | can't really think of a reason that couldn't be 99 |
| 15:06.37 | Gnarfoz | or unlimited |
| 15:06.38 | Arrowmaster | its not the HID drivers |
| 15:06.38 | airtonix | jnwhiteh: i'm on the internet |
| 15:06.42 | foxlit | short version: I have a 7-button mouse. WoW blatantly ignores buttons 6 and 7. That is despicable :P |
| 15:07.05 | jnwhiteh | yes, the fact that they have special support rather than standards.. dislike |
| 15:07.11 | Gnarfoz | only way to use them: map them to keys |
| 15:07.19 | Arrowmaster | not enough keys |
| 15:07.20 | airtonix | foxlit: becuase your mouse isn't the one that it supports |
| 15:07.29 | jnwhiteh | that isn't required with steelseries =/ |
| 15:07.32 | Arrowmaster | unless you can map them to F13-F24 |
| 15:07.33 | jnwhiteh | even on windows |
| 15:07.36 | Fisker | hey jnwhiteh |
| 15:07.39 | Fisker | hey Arrowmaster |
| 15:07.42 | Fisker | not so hey Gnarfoz |
| 15:07.44 | Arrowmaster | and the game supports F13-F24 |
| 15:08.01 | airtonix | Fisker: i killed your dog |
| 15:08.02 | Gnarfoz | two extra buttons does not require f13-f24 |
| 15:08.10 | foxlit | I lack suitable software to remap them as well |
| 15:08.16 | foxlit | The driver is cute, but not cute enough. |
| 15:08.19 | Arrowmaster | i dont like having multiple keys doing the same thing |
| 15:08.21 | Fisker | oh ok airtonix |
| 15:08.21 | Gnarfoz | also, I don't use half of the keys on my keyboard simply because I've got one hand on the mouse and one on the keyboard |
| 15:08.25 | Fisker | i don't have a dog airtonix |
| 15:08.39 | airtonix | Fisker: not anymore you don't |
| 15:11.16 | foxlit | I mean, this thing has a macro editor. |
| 15:11.32 | foxlit | But it still can't fire a "key down" event when you press the button, and a "key up" when you depress it :/ |
| 15:14.29 | zenzelezz | http://verydemotivational.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/demotivational-posters-confidence.jpg - that's pretty wicked |
| 15:15.49 | Cairenn | lol |
| 15:16.15 | Arrowmaster | i really hate these snipers in The Force Unleashed on Sith Master difficulty |
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| 15:39.44 | p3lim | Im trying to use tooltips to check if an item has been cached or not (locally), but once I feed the tooltip the item I need some way to track when its ready (without using OnUpdate pref). Is there a script that I can use for this? |
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| 15:47.37 | Xinhuan | p3lim |
| 15:47.44 | Xinhuan | there's a event for that |
| 15:47.49 | Xinhuan | forgot what its called though |
| 15:48.06 | Xinhuan | but note the event doesn't tell you which item just got cached |
| 15:48.19 | p3lim | thats no problem |
| 15:49.09 | p3lim | but thats odd, I was watching etrace when I was testing it out, no event fired |
| 15:49.28 | Xinhuan | i might have been lied to then |
| 15:52.43 | Gnarfoz | check what MediumRare and NPCScan do? even though those are not flr items |
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| 15:56.13 | Fisker | Xinhuan |
| 15:56.17 | Fisker | you're nice |
| 15:56.31 | Xinhuan | Gnarfoz, they use an onupdate :P |
| 15:57.19 | Xinhuan | so Fisker, wondering if you have tried out Runespell Overture |
| 15:57.26 | Fisker | i haven't |
| 15:58.01 | Fisker | btw foxlit |
| 15:58.05 | Fisker | i told you not to get the Xai |
| 15:58.08 | Fisker | you silly goose |
| 15:58.38 | foxlit | you kinda failed on suggesting an alternative, though |
| 15:58.46 | foxlit | so meh. This'll get fixed one way or another. |
| 16:00.06 | Fisker | well technically i didn't |
| 16:00.16 | Fisker | you can't really go wrong with anything else |
| 16:00.40 | airtonix | umabdro? |
| 16:01.18 | Fisker | no igladbro |
| 16:01.42 | airtonix | dro |
| 16:01.47 | Fisker | i love it when people do something against my suggestion then end up having issues with it maybe even regretting it |
| 16:02.02 | airtonix | is that why you bought an iphone? |
| 16:02.06 | Fisker | It's the equilivant of the river running under my bridge |
| 16:02.12 | Fisker | lol iphone |
| 16:02.20 | Fisker | i never bought one, let alone have one |
| 16:02.24 | Xinhuan | no he bought the google phone |
| 16:02.25 | airtonix | yumadtho |
| 16:02.33 | Fisker | imnotmadtho |
| 16:02.35 | Fisker | imgladthough |
| 16:02.53 | airtonix | jerk |
| 16:03.38 | Xinhuan | anyone knows a useful free tool to download youtube videos onto my harddisk? |
| 16:03.56 | airtonix | sudo apt-get instasll youtube-dl |
| 16:04.02 | Xinhuan | for windows |
| 16:04.09 | airtonix | lolsux2bu |
| 16:04.41 | foxlit | Fisker: the way I see it, I'd have the same problem with virtually any other mouse. |
| 16:05.10 | airtonix | Xinhuan: it's python btw |
| 16:05.13 | Fisker | not the wow mice or any other with decent drivers |
| 16:05.25 | Adys | Xinhuan: youtube-dl works on windows |
| 16:05.28 | foxlit | the wow mouse is not really impressive. |
| 16:05.31 | Xinhuan | irrelevant, i don't have any tools to run python scripts with |
| 16:05.57 | Adys | .. python.org? |
| 16:06.02 | airtonix | lawl |
| 16:06.10 | Xinhuan | so does it have a GUI? |
| 16:06.14 | airtonix | wut |
| 16:06.23 | Adys | why would you need a gui for this |
| 16:06.27 | zenzelezz | Xinhuan: there are browser addons that give you the direct URL to videos |
| 16:06.56 | Xinhuan | i don't know why i would need a gui, but its *usually* more convenient not to mess around with command line if a GUI is well-built |
| 16:07.24 | Adys | unless you need options and shittons of things like these i dont see why youd need a gui |
| 16:07.26 | Adys | youtube-dl url |
| 16:07.53 | airtonix | http://pastebin.com/LKdEaw65 |
| 16:08.55 | airtonix | Adys: it is the windows command line, no wonder windows users hate using it |
| 16:09.02 | airtonix | i hate using it |
| 16:09.25 | Xinhuan | if a simple python script can do download it, i fail to see why nobody would not have created a simple windows GUI application for it |
| 16:09.44 | Adys | because creating a windows gui for it is more complex than creating a python script for it |
| 16:09.49 | Adys | and it's not "simple" |
| 16:09.50 | airtonix | they probably have for windows but charge 50$ for it |
| 16:09.59 | Xinhuan | hence i asked for free |
| 16:10.03 | Adys | youtube has a lot of different templates for displaying vids |
| 16:10.58 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 16:11.20 | Xinhuan | sometimes i would want options like downloading a specific format (720p vs 320p etc) |
| 16:11.29 | foxlit | use your browser |
| 16:11.30 | Adys | youtube-dl has those |
| 16:11.37 | foxlit | It usually has some way to show you what it's currently downloading |
| 16:11.48 | Adys | yes and no |
| 16:11.51 | zenzelezz | again, there are multiple browser addons that work on not just Youtube but most of the alternative sites too (yes, and porn ones) |
| 16:11.54 | Adys | flash can prevent that |
| 16:12.12 | Xinhuan | can you assume i'm just a noob at this and i don't want to jump through hoops and scripts? |
| 16:12.28 | Adys | id recommend this for a noob :/ |
| 16:12.37 | Adys | its seriously the most simple script you can find |
| 16:12.49 | Adys | youtube-dl url |
| 16:12.55 | Adys | youtube-dl --format 480p url |
| 16:12.57 | airtonix | http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/maverick/man1/youtube-dl.1.html |
| 16:13.00 | Adys | youtube-dl --best-quality url |
| 16:13.27 | Xinhuan | you do know the windows command line is a pos right? |
| 16:13.43 | airtonix | make as hortcut icon for it |
| 16:13.44 | Xinhuan | can't even paste URLs easily |
| 16:13.51 | Xinhuan | without messing with the control menu |
| 16:13.56 | airtonix | drag n drop the url from your browser onto the shortcut icon |
| 16:14.00 | Adys | make a launcher for it, drop the url.. |
| 16:14.04 | Adys | yeah what airtonix said |
| 16:14.42 | Adys | believe it or not (george isn't at home) sometimes less is better :P |
| 16:15.28 | zenzelezz | less is more, more or less |
| 16:15.34 | Stanzilla | Xinhuan: http://www.clipconverter.cc/ => browser plugin |
| 16:15.37 | Xinhuan | so how would you |
| 16:15.46 | Xinhuan | automate downloading say 17 youtube videos |
| 16:15.59 | Xinhuan | and then just leave it overnight to do it |
| 16:16.12 | Adys | select 17 urls |
| 16:16.15 | Adys | drop them all on youtube-dl |
| 16:16.31 | Xinhuan | wouldn't that download all 17 in parallel, rather than sequentially? |
| 16:17.00 | Gnarfoz | Xinhuan: keepvid.com offers you all formats |
| 16:17.01 | Adys | sequentially |
| 16:17.15 | Adys | it would do youtube-dl url1 url2 url3 |
| 16:17.52 | Xinhuan | i dont' know if windows attaches all 17 urls to the command, or runs the command 17 times with 1 url each heh |
| 16:18.13 | Xinhuan | and how do you drag 17 urls anyway? create 17 url shortcut files? |
| 16:18.37 | Adys | depends where they are |
| 16:18.58 | Adys | if they're in your bookmarks, go in chrome://bookmarks and select them all |
| 16:20.11 | Xinhuan | so you're saying i have to create bookmarks for each video i want to download |
| 16:20.26 | Adys | ... |
| 16:20.29 | Adys | how would you do it with a gui? |
| 16:20.32 | Adys | seriously |
| 16:20.40 | Adys | you'd have to drag & drop them too |
| 16:21.07 | Xinhuan | i would just paste in 17 URLs that i don't even have to visit |
| 16:21.11 | Adys | oh |
| 16:21.13 | Adys | you mean like |
| 16:21.17 | Adys | youtube-dl url1 url2 url3 |
| 16:21.38 | Xinhuan | yes, but i said pasting shit into the command line is shit in windows |
| 16:21.51 | Xinhuan | so you suggsted a shortcut launcher that i drag stuff to |
| 16:21.51 | Adys | you dont even have to paste it in the cl |
| 16:22.07 | Xinhuan | then i asked if you can drag 17 urls at the same time |
| 16:22.07 | Adys | put youtube-dl in your system32 folder |
| 16:22.15 | Adys | and paste that shit in the windows launcher |
| 16:22.23 | Xinhuan | and you said you have to create a shortcut bookmark for each one to do that |
| 16:22.39 | Adys | ok i give up |
| 16:23.10 | Xinhuan | i don't understand, i just want a simple GUI app, you're just insisting that the cl is better |
| 16:23.17 | Xinhuan | we have different opinions |
| 16:23.25 | Adys | im telling you |
| 16:23.30 | Adys | a "simple gui app" for this doesnt exist |
| 16:23.36 | Adys | there are (somewhat poor) browser extensions |
| 16:23.38 | Adys | and theres youtube-dl |
| 16:24.10 | Stanzilla | Xinhuan: http://www.dvdvideosoft.com/products/dvd/Free-YouTube-Download.htm |
| 16:24.29 | Xinhuan | and i'm asking why wouldn't someone have made a GUI frontend for youtube-dl if that is the "preferred choice" |
| 16:24.47 | Adys | because a gui is the last thing youtube-dl needs |
| 16:25.02 | Adys | and making guis in windows is enough of a pain in the ass not to do for things that dont need guis |
| 16:25.22 | Xinhuan | the fact that i have to download and install python is already a pain in the ass |
| 16:25.55 | Adys | yes, god forbid you'd click three "continue" buttons to install python, which is less than you'd ever click in a youtube-dl gui.. |
| 16:26.18 | Adys | im sorry, am i really the only one not understanding the logic here? |
| 16:26.25 | Xinhuan | "can you assume i'm just a noob at this and i don't want to jump through hoops and scripts?" |
| 16:26.29 | Xinhuan | pretty much |
| 16:26.49 | Xinhuan | i'm not the only one who might want to use this |
| 16:26.53 | Xinhuan | on this computer |
| 16:26.54 | Adys | you're not a noob at this |
| 16:27.03 | Adys | ive recommended "simple command-line apps" to noobs |
| 16:27.10 | Adys | they use them and they live just fine with them |
| 16:27.27 | Adys | you're just prejudiced against cl apps |
| 16:27.40 | Xinhuan | i'm not |
| 16:27.55 | Xinhuan | i use svn and git command lines more often than the GUI |
| 16:27.58 | Xinhuan | for example |
| 16:28.33 | Adys | http://python.org/ftp/python/2.7.2/python-2.7.2.msi clicky |
| 16:28.58 | Adys | then open notepad in c:/system32/youtube-dl.py |
| 16:29.32 | Adys | and copypaste airtonix's paste into it |
| 16:29.34 | Adys | save |
| 16:29.37 | Adys | enjoy it |
| 16:29.52 | Xinhuan | isn't the latest python 3.2 or something? |
| 16:30.18 | Adys | you need what i linked for the one airtonix linked |
| 16:30.31 | Xinhuan | o_O its different? |
| 16:30.56 | Adys | python3.x isn't backwards compatible with 2.x |
| 16:31.15 | Adys | on that note brb |
| 16:33.47 | Fisker | "Amy Winehouse dies of drugs overdose" |
| 16:33.48 | Fisker | lololol |
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| 16:35.01 | Adys | Xinhuan: i was wrong, dont save it as youtube-dl.py |
| 16:35.04 | Adys | save it as youtube-dl |
| 16:35.10 | Xinhuan | on that note, what happens when you want to run a python3 script? does python3/python2 install side-by-side? |
| 16:36.05 | wereHamster | airtonix: it wasn't that hard. I wrote a crawler for the wowace.com and wow.curseforge.com sites and now I have all those addons and the repositories in a database |
| 16:36.18 | Xinhuan | i'll assume you have to specify which python.exe |
| 16:36.24 | Adys | Xinhuan: they do, but yeah you have to specify |
| 16:37.52 | Fisker | well wereHamster |
| 16:37.56 | Fisker | then you won't get my dollar |
| 16:38.09 | wereHamster | I don't need your money |
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| 16:41.24 | Fisker | that's why you won't get it wereHamster |
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| 16:44.11 | wereHamster | what don't you like on it? |
| 16:44.47 | Xinhuan | heh ok, the python installer associated .py files with it, but didn't set any environment variables for the command line |
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| 16:50.39 | zenzelezz | games that have settings called "FSAA antialias" confuse me |
| 16:51.05 | zenzelezz | sup dawg, we heard you like smooth graphics, so we antialiased your antialiased graphics |
| 16:51.23 | p3lim | Xinhuan: this is what I ended up with: http://pastebin.com/Ne8NSGQ6 |
| 16:52.13 | Fisker | umad because they try to make it accessible to people zenzelezz ? |
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| 16:55.05 | Xinhuan | does that work p3lim? |
| 16:55.22 | p3lim | Yeah, been testing it for a while now |
| 16:55.51 | Xinhuan | i don't see your onupdate calling any other function to update anything/inform whatever when the item is received |
| 16:55.53 | Xinhuan | in the cache |
| 16:56.26 | p3lim | Yeah I left that out, I basically do that around where the OnUpdate script is disabled |
| 16:57.00 | p3lim | http://pastebin.com/DZ0kRvtS |
| 16:57.03 | Xinhuan | any safeguards against requesting an invalid item? (an item the server hasn't loaded yet) |
| 16:57.15 | Xinhuan | typically, this would be legendary items |
| 16:57.25 | Xinhuan | where owners have not logged on since the server restart |
| 16:57.29 | p3lim | nah |
| 16:57.44 | Xinhuan | your onupdate would run forever in that case |
| 16:57.51 | p3lim | yeah |
| 16:59.13 | p3lim | but it isnt needed, the whole thing will be used for items around quests (rewards, quest starters etc) so there won't be any of those issues |
| 17:01.37 | Xinhuan | so your addon has a database of items and rewards? |
| 17:02.32 | p3lim | Im using it as a safeguard against items you get as rewards from quests and quest starters that hasnt been cached yet, to prevent my addon from bugging/hanging/forcing the game to crash |
| 17:03.01 | p3lim | The addon itself is just automating quest pickup/delivery |
| 17:03.15 | p3lim | http://github.com/p3lim/Monomyth |
| 17:03.31 | Xinhuan | its ok, i stopped playing wow 4 months ago :P |
| 17:03.34 | kd3 | sanity in texas? color me shocked: http://ncse.com/news/2011/07/victory-evolution-texas-006802 |
| 17:05.27 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:06.20 | Dagmar | So Google has added a thing to put a message at the top of the search results page when it's clear to them someone's computer is infected with malware that routes their search results through a proxy |
| 17:07.02 | Dagmar | ...and there's all these detractors going "Gosh, but malware authors can just fake that message and get people to click on it to install malware" |
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| 17:07.51 | Dagmar | Specifcally yammering about them faking the message on Google's page. |
| 17:08.03 | Fincher_ | hi kan anybody say pls how to toggle Bars view on/off? |
| 17:08.10 | zenzelezz | kd3: woot! |
| 17:08.16 | Fincher_ | like you want make a screenshot and theya are in the way |
| 17:08.16 | Dagmar | Problem being that if the malware people can do that it's because the user's machine is already infected. |
| 17:08.25 | kd3 | fincher; alt+z |
| 17:08.30 | Fincher_ | thxx master |
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| 17:12.59 | Fincher_ | oh and anybody knows if Raptor Strike kan trigger "on attack" effects like chance to stun? |
| 17:14.07 | Fincher_ | and what does Camera follow speed option modify? |
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| 17:14.37 | Dagmar | Why wouldn't it? |
| 17:15.19 | Dagmar | I mean, other than you should probably be pushing a button to GTF away |
| 17:16.45 | Dagmar | The glyph on it is nice for PvP, but otherwise it's just a souped-up melee attack. |
| 17:19.03 | Fisker | weird |
| 17:19.21 | Fisker | Blizzard isn't even trying to moderate those threads with the norwegian dick in it |
| 17:19.44 | kd3 | they've been reported at least, right? |
| 17:20.35 | Fisker | yeah |
| 17:22.53 | Fincher_ | from what I kan tell up to now it didnt trigger any thing |
| 17:23.02 | Fincher_ | u sure raptor strike kan trigger on attack effekts? |
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| 17:37.36 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 17:37.51 | Fisker | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=27_Club&oldid=441026107 <-is gigling time |
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| 17:40.39 | karl_w_w | amy winehouse dead |
| 17:42.12 | zenzelezz | any word yet on cause? I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out to be an overdose |
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| 17:52.37 | Xinhuan | ok Adys |
| 17:52.49 | Xinhuan | this youtube-dl is a bit better than i thought it is |
| 17:53.00 | Xinhuan | it can download all the videos in my "watch later" playlist |
| 17:53.45 | Adys | tuh-dah. |
| 17:53.48 | Xinhuan | it only took a while to figure out i have to make my playlist publicly accessible first |
| 17:54.04 | Xinhuan | otherwise it just spits out random videos |
| 17:54.28 | Adys | you can authenticate too |
| 17:54.42 | Xinhuan | i tried that, it didn't change the video list |
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| 18:05.16 | Xinhuan | Adys, it also appears 480p or 720p or whatever aren't recognized formats, you have to use the 2-digit code that youtube uses for its format specifier lol |
| 18:05.27 | Adys | buh |
| 18:06.23 | Xinhuan | well hey you gave an example using --format 480p |
| 18:06.27 | Xinhuan | which was wrong! |
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| 18:18.06 | Adys | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OTY5OQ |
| 18:18.08 | Adys | retarded |
| 18:18.22 | Adys | they should just use the same app with different interfaces |
| 18:18.29 | Adys | it does the exact same fucking thing |
| 18:21.58 | Arrowmaster | Adys: how does it do the same thing? i thought those settings were really gnome or kde settings and not really 'system settings' |
| 18:22.19 | Adys | it doesn't show the same apps |
| 18:22.22 | Adys | but functionally its the same |
| 18:22.31 | Adys | http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-core-devel&m=131140536025172&w=2 this post got it right |
| 18:23.09 | Arrowmaster | any images of the apps? i dont have eitehr |
| 18:23.35 | Adys | dont have any either but it just shows a bunch of apps as a launcher |
| 18:23.39 | Adys | like the windows control panel |
| 18:23.49 | Arrowmaster | ah |
| 18:24.33 | Arrowmaster | so its kinda like the gnome2 gnome-control-center? i think that was the name |
| 18:24.41 | Adys | yeah |
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| 18:27.44 | Arrowmaster | rofl this question i just saw on xbox xperts is hillarious |
| 18:27.56 | Arrowmaster | "Hi, I just bought the Original Xbox at a garage sale because I wanted to get access to Netflix using Xbox live. I am having trouble getting into Xbox Live. Is the problem that Xbox Live no longer talks to the Original Xbox?" |
| 18:28.38 | Arrowmaster | original xbox is what a 733mhz cpu? |
| 18:29.13 | Arrowmaster | xbmc doesnt even support it anymore |
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| 18:58.05 | zenzelezz | hm, all these years I've believed that isometric games were isometric... while in reality most of them were dimetric. I will never look at them the same again |
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| 19:17.00 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: what is Altitude - 1 d? |
| 19:17.11 | jnwhiteh | its just showed up in my steam and you're the steam fanboi |
| 19:17.14 | jnwhiteh | also, just beat Portal |
| 19:17.35 | jnwhiteh | took me 3 hours, shameful |
| 19:17.46 | jnwhiteh | Also, LFD2 has too many updated. |
| 19:17.48 | jnwhiteh | updates |
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| 19:19.10 | Arrowmaster | jnwhiteh: i think its free for the weekend or something |
| 19:19.12 | zenzelezz | jnwhiteh: shamefully slow or fast? |
| 19:19.41 | zenzelezz | jnwhiteh: also, as Arrowmaster says, anything with " - X days left" is a beta |
| 19:19.58 | Arrowmaster | or trial, etc |
| 19:20.08 | zenzelezz | true, if they do time-limited trials |
| 19:20.31 | jnwhiteh | ah okay |
| 19:25.48 | zenzelezz | ever since WotLK, it freaks me out that people keep pinging out with 264 seconds |
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| 19:33.35 | Cide | jnwhiteh: portal 1? |
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| 19:41.30 | jnwhiteh | yeah! |
| 19:41.40 | jnwhiteh | hadn't finished it before |
| 19:42.02 | Cide | did you play portal 2? |
| 19:42.10 | Cide | if not and if you enjoyed portal 1, that's a must play |
| 19:42.43 | jnwhiteh | i haven't, I need to do that =) |
| 19:43.43 | Cide | it's longer and much more story-oriented |
| 19:43.47 | Cide | and more fun |
| 19:44.14 | jnwhiteh | thanks for the recommendation =) |
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| 19:46.49 | Xinhuan | well portal 1's play length is appropriate for its cheap price of $5 |
| 19:49.04 | nevcairiel | i liked portal 1 more though |
| 19:49.11 | nevcairiel | maybe because it was original back then |
| 19:49.20 | mikma | jnwhiteh: get assassin's creed brotherhood, they are now on mac! |
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| 19:49.43 | mikma | 2 + brothethood are fantastic games |
| 19:50.07 | Arrowmaster | i didnt like brotherhood as much |
| 19:50.30 | Arrowmaster | it felt too much like a bad expansion pack than a new game |
| 19:50.46 | mikma | i also consider it as expansion :P |
| 19:50.55 | mikma | with multiplayer pvp |
| 19:51.06 | Arrowmaster | they even took away the awesome outfit and gave us the fugly new armor |
| 19:51.40 | mikma | i hate the "full synchronation" -details |
| 19:51.47 | mikma | "comblete tomb under 5 minutes" |
| 19:51.51 | Arrowmaster | did that |
| 19:51.52 | mikma | what the fuck, chuck? |
| 19:52.09 | Arrowmaster | those timed ones require replaying because youll never fucking get them the first time |
| 19:54.50 | Xinhuan | that's the whole point right? to force replaybility on users |
| 19:57.18 | mikma | i loved the freedom in ac2 was awesome |
| 19:57.26 | mikma | just as long as the job got done, success! |
| 19:57.51 | mikma | it was always fun to sneak around in crowds and just blast the crap out of the targets with pistol |
| 19:57.53 | zenzelezz | I only played AC1 on PC; the controls felt sloppy/consoley, so I played 2+Brotherhood on Xbox - felt much more natural |
| 19:58.28 | mikma | the general feeling in ac1 is odd |
| 19:58.34 | zenzelezz | true |
| 19:58.38 | mikma | all the guards are supereffective in spotting you |
| 19:58.57 | mikma | you need to walk around acting like a monk or else you gonna get into fight all the time |
| 19:59.01 | zenzelezz | Brotherhood (and 2) were very good games, but some elements - particularly building ownership stuff - just felt tucked on for no obvious reason |
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| 20:27.54 | wereHamster | Fisker: what if I manually add each addon? |
| 20:28.03 | Fisker | what then? |
| 20:28.06 | Fisker | want a dollar? |
| 20:28.11 | wereHamster | yes! |
| 20:28.22 | Arrowmaster | mikma: see i took that flaw and ran with it literally, after an assassination in AC1 instead of hiding then trying to sneak back to the guild building i would do epic shit like walk (literally walk not run) down the middle of the streets with a weapon drawn executing guards as they charged me |
| 20:29.04 | Arrowmaster | you could counter attack every single one and 1hit them all |
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| 20:31.12 | zenzelezz | yeah, the enemies were very action-movie let's-all-line-up-and-wait-our-turn in their actions |
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| 21:01.35 | Arrowmaster | zenzelezz: it wasnt really that but it was that when walking and an guard runs up to you they would immediately swing at you and because countering was so easy it was an instant kill every time |
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| 21:04.24 | zenzelezz | yeah, but you achieved the same by stopping; they'd all just line up around you and swing one at a time while you countered them to death |
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| 21:08.52 | Fincher | hi anybody can link to a website where it is possible to view Attributes of each class + race on all levels, or at least at lv85? |
| 21:09.24 | zenzelezz | pretty sure wowpedia would have something like that |
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| 21:22.25 | alestane | inspects Cairenn for signs of melting. |
| 21:23.28 | Cairenn | alestane: well, I did, in fact, melt some weight off today |
| 21:24.05 | alestane | That sounds like it could be a good thing, possibly. |
| 21:24.21 | Cairenn | You guys aren't going to recognize me at BC this year. |
| 21:24.59 | alestane | To recognize you there, I would have to be there. |
| 21:25.06 | Cairenn | True =/ |
| 21:25.15 | alestane | Have you been working out or something? |
| 21:25.27 | Cairenn | Remember my hair half way down my back? |
| 21:25.36 | alestane | Vaguely. |
| 21:25.46 | Cairenn | It's chin length now |
| 21:25.49 | alestane | I remember that you were talking about cutting it. |
| 21:26.07 | zenzelezz | I see we'll need pictures again this year |
| 21:26.18 | Cairenn | zenzelezz: naw |
| 21:26.34 | Arrowmaster | i totally failed last year and didnt get a single one |
| 21:26.51 | Cairenn | Arrowmaster: In my book, that's a pass, not a fail. |
| 21:26.55 | alestane | Pictures of Cairenn exist only under extreme protest. |
| 21:27.16 | alestane | I might have, like, two. |
| 21:27.35 | zenzelezz | I've seen a few in total |
| 21:27.47 | zenzelezz | including the one she kept trying to make us forget |
| 21:27.48 | foxlit | growl :( |
| 21:28.11 | Cairenn | growls |
| 21:28.27 | zenzelezz | looks like she remembers it too |
| 21:28.40 | foxlit | I have this evil assert() function that tries to throw the error at the caller of my function |
| 21:28.41 | Cairenn | No, I was just doing as foxlit asked |
| 21:28.54 | Cairenn | He said growl, so I did |
| 21:29.03 | zenzelezz | suuure |
| 21:30.08 | foxlit | I was hoping to remove an argument, but it seems like I can't do that :( |
| 21:32.44 | foxlit | The exact situation was that I was doing argument validation and would've liked to throw the errors at the caller rather than inside my code |
| 21:33.21 | foxlit | Which works well enough until I decide to split the validation code across several functions -- that's when I suddenly get to care about call stack depth :*( |
| 21:35.48 | alestane | Mostly I was checking to see if your weather is any more bearable, Cairenn |
| 21:36.01 | Cairenn | somewhat |
| 21:36.27 | alestane | We had a thunderstorm this morning, it took the edge off. |
| 21:36.36 | Cairenn | Good |
| 21:36.59 | alestane | Spent 2.6 hours on the road yesterday though, no AC in the car. |
| 21:38.23 | Cairenn | eep |
| 21:38.34 | zenzelezz | lua> 60*0.6 |
| 21:38.34 | lua_bot | zenzelezz: 36 |
| 21:38.43 | zenzelezz | what an odd way to say 36 minutes |
| 21:39.00 | alestane | Had to buy a milkshake on the way back to stay cool. |
| 21:39.22 | alestane | Well, I meant 2.5 and slipped. But it might well have been closer to 2.6, not sure. |
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| 21:50.03 | foxlit | Hm, given a spell ID, how do I check that it's in the player's spellbook? |
| 21:51.37 | nevcairiel | FindSpellBookSlotBySpellID |
| 21:51.48 | nevcairiel | (really) |
| 21:52.31 | foxlit | that sounds framexmlish? |
| 21:53.10 | foxlit | and yet it isn't. |
| 21:53.13 | foxlit | Neat :) |
| 21:54.34 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 22:02.27 | foxlit | ... and it doesn't wok with remapped spells |
| 22:02.33 | jnwhiteh | nothing does |
| 22:02.34 | jnwhiteh | =( |
| 22:05.35 | nevcairiel | the implementation for those seems to be a cheap hack |
| 22:05.51 | foxlit | it's a better cheap hack than it was before |
| 22:05.55 | foxlit | I'll give them that. |
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| 22:09.39 | foxlit | http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/trailers/3755-Deus-Ex-Human-Revolution-Purity-First |
| 22:12.13 | foxlit | They seem to be good at making videos for that game. |
| 22:31.17 | foxlit | !api GetEffectiveAttribute |
| 22:31.17 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'GetEffectiveAttribute'. |
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| 23:17.24 | jnwhiteh | foxlit: whatcha looking for? |
| 23:17.48 | foxlit | resolution rules. |
| 23:17.56 | foxlit | namely, type1 vs type-1 |
| 23:17.59 | jnwhiteh | GetModifiedAttribute |
| 23:18.06 | jnwhiteh | there's a FrameXMl function |
| 23:18.08 | jnwhiteh | that does the resolution |
| 23:18.37 | foxlit | interesting. So they aliased it. |
| 23:18.42 | jnwhiteh | SecureButton_GetModifiedAttribute |
| 23:19.25 | foxlit | http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml/14333/RestrictedFrames.lua#144 |
| 23:19.45 | jnwhiteh | ah, stuff within the restricted environment is different |
| 23:19.57 | jnwhiteh | makes sense |
| 23:20.36 | foxlit | Heh, interesting |
| 23:20.50 | foxlit | If you click with LeftButton, it'll map it to type1 |
| 23:20.57 | foxlit | If you click with 1, it'll map it to type-1 |
| 23:21.55 | jnwhiteh | aye, makes sense |
| 23:21.59 | jnwhiteh | makes the rules very simple |
| 23:22.26 | foxlit | would it kill it to map both to -1 |
| 23:22.43 | jnwhiteh | well |
| 23:23.08 | jnwhiteh | the first three buttons are treated differently |
| 23:23.18 | jnwhiteh | actually |
| 23:23.22 | foxlit | More than that, yeah |
| 23:23.24 | jnwhiteh | all of the actual mouse clicks are treated the same |
| 23:23.39 | jnwhiteh | any non-mouse-click button is treated the same way, after the hyphen |
| 23:24.55 | foxlit | the distinction is a bit fake |
| 23:25.07 | foxlit | I can do /click widget LeftButton just as easily :) |
| 23:25.16 | jnwhiteh | well yeah |
| 23:25.19 | jnwhiteh | but that's a 'button name' |
| 23:25.34 | foxlit | and it'd end up being mapped to 1 |
| 23:25.34 | jnwhiteh | err a mouse button name |
| 23:25.37 | jnwhiteh | yes |
| 23:25.38 | jnwhiteh | ofc |
| 23:25.43 | jnwhiteh | you have a list of 25 button names |
| 23:25.48 | jnwhiteh | you use those, they map to 1-25 |
| 23:25.53 | jnwhiteh | anything else goes after - |
| 23:26.06 | foxlit | Fail to see the need to specialcase them :) |
| 23:26.18 | jnwhiteh | submit a patch |
| 23:26.19 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 23:26.39 | jnwhiteh | and break many many addons |
| 23:26.48 | foxlit | That ship has sailed, imo. Requiring every user-interactable SABT to change is silly |
| 23:26.54 | jnwhiteh | indeed |
| 23:27.14 | jnwhiteh | buttons were handled first, then the custom 'button names' were added afterwards |
| 23:27.27 | jnwhiteh | then the extra 5+ buttons were added after that |
| 23:27.30 | jnwhiteh | that's how it diverged |
| 23:33.19 | ScytheBlade1 | okay, this is pissing me off |
| 23:33.39 | ScytheBlade1 | what is the high marker for a group ID is linux (namely modern red hat stuff)? |
| 23:33.46 | ScytheBlade1 | I cannot find it anywhere :/ |
| 23:39.06 | Dagmar | Maxint. |
| 23:39.30 | ScytheBlade1 | that only helps me so much |
| 23:39.31 | Dagmar | If you need more than 65,535 groups, you need to rethink something. |
| 23:39.36 | ScytheBlade1 | not at all |
| 23:39.42 | ScytheBlade1 | but I want to partition these |
| 23:39.54 | ScytheBlade1 | and I'm curious how many digits I can use |
| 23:40.25 | Dagmar | Digits has nothing to do with it |
| 23:40.41 | Dagmar | It's a 16-bit int |
| 23:40.57 | Dagmar | So... 2^16 or something like that |
| 23:41.39 | Dagmar | I wouldn' |
| 23:42.07 | ScytheBlade1 | I want my day to day crap to resides in the 1000s range, and then the stuff I rarely if other touch to reside in the millions, for example |
| 23:42.13 | ScytheBlade1 | simple partitioning of the GIDs |
| 23:42.24 | Dagmar | What do you mean by stuff you rarely touch? |
| 23:42.35 | Dagmar | If you want a labeling system, install MLS and SElinux |
| 23:42.36 | ScytheBlade1 | host access groups, relatively static |
| 23:43.52 | Dagmar | Well, you can do 2^32 but god only knows what will happen if you hit a collision with some ancient bit of code that expects 2^16 |
| 23:44.04 | ScytheBlade1 | hence the question |
| 23:44.05 | Dagmar | Just stick role account stuff below 1000 and be done with it |
| 23:44.50 | Dagmar | Everything that cares about how high or low the number is looks at it that way |
| 23:45.59 | Dagmar | If you're looking at having to do something involving overlapping groups, use ACLs for that |
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