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| 00:09.50 | Ackis | I think my character is going to become a goblin |
| 00:12.33 | mckenziemc | cadaver collage imo |
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| 00:22.07 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Cairenn -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ || 4.1.x ToC: 40100 || #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting || Happy Birthday Brykryss! || #RiftUIDev is now open |
| 00:25.23 | Mikk | pffff we used to play Für Elise on the c64 drives back in teh day |
| 00:33.31 | Fisker | http://pastebin.com/MQG0a130 <-do want |
| 00:35.05 | mckenziemc | there's no way to "unstick" a character while logged into a different character, aside from ticketing a GM, right? |
| 00:35.49 | kd3 | that's right |
| 00:35.57 | kd3 | just make sure you use the word 'stuck' in your ticket |
| 00:36.50 | Fisker | btw Shirik |
| 00:36.58 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Shirik&diff=432305410&oldid=431457281 |
| 00:37.04 | Fisker | why doesn't Soggy Biscuit link to en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buttermilk_Koldskål ? |
| 00:39.01 | Ackis | haha I farted and scared my dog |
| 00:39.06 | Cide | it's true |
| 00:39.25 | Cide | oh you reverted to an actual name? |
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| 00:59.50 | Fisker | hey Cide |
| 00:59.56 | Cide | sup bro |
| 01:00.07 | Fisker | i'm awesome |
| 01:01.18 | Cide | I know |
| 01:10.41 | Wobin | haha, I love engineering: http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/70177/schematic-flintlockes-woodchucker/ |
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| 01:23.17 | Stanzilla | hey Fisker |
| 01:23.19 | Arrowmaster | its a good thing my isp doesnt have monthly caps, ive already downloaded 158gb for june |
| 01:27.02 | DWSR | I just talked to the best CS rep for Blizzard ever |
| 01:27.08 | DWSR | +1 for maloriak reference. |
| 01:27.12 | DWSR | +1 for being hardcore raider/. |
| 01:27.17 | DWSR | +1 for being in a top 50 US guild. |
| 01:27.21 | DWSR | +1 for use of the word scrub. |
| 01:28.51 | karl_w_w | swear to god breakfast is easily the best meal of the day |
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| 02:01.09 | kd3 | huzzah, the ptrs are back up |
| 02:01.18 | kd3 | arrow; o_O |
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| 02:03.06 | karl_w_w | http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/916465-Avenging-Wrath-Honest-Question?p=11727373#post11727373 |
| 02:03.10 | karl_w_w | good question! |
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| 02:12.32 | karl_w_w | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2592855926?page=24 I believe bashiok is slowly losing his mind. |
| 02:15.24 | Mr_Rabies | too much time on the diablo forums |
| 02:20.30 | cog|work | Fisker: my priest has 666 justice points |
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| 02:21.52 | Sargeras | Hmmm |
| 02:22.00 | Sargeras | Android client slow today |
| 02:22.09 | Sargeras | Or not |
| 02:22.21 | Sargeras | hugs Cairenn |
| 02:45.57 | ScytheBlade1 | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=systemd |
| 02:45.59 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm one of those! |
| 02:47.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Also, that really isn't as bad as expected |
| 02:50.33 | kd3 | no issues on my netbook |
| 02:50.45 | kd3 | 'course, I wiped the drive and installed f15 from scratch, which probably helps |
| 02:51.52 | Arrowmaster | i still agree with some views that its overly complex |
| 02:53.19 | ScytheBlade1 | same @ reinstall, but some of the packages are just broken |
| 02:53.32 | ScytheBlade1 | (which is my bug, actually) |
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| 04:06.01 | ShadniX | What is the interface version number of WoW 4.2 on the PTR? 40200? |
| 04:06.06 | kd3 | yup |
| 04:06.09 | ShadniX | thx |
| 04:13.24 | Duman | hmm |
| 04:14.29 | kd3 | pokes anasterian's molten front world server |
| 04:17.14 | Shirik | pokes kd3 |
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| 05:08.26 | Wobin | http://i.imgur.com/s53P7.png |
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| 05:30.40 | airtonix | aD6u0GHX |
| 05:30.55 | airtonix | Fisker: why ? |
| 05:33.49 | airtonix | ..-. .. ... -.- . .-. |
| 05:36.26 | Thunder_Child | stop being anoying airtonix |
| 05:36.40 | Thunder_Child | becaues that actually worked on me |
| 05:37.17 | airtonix | life is too short to be that serious Thunder_Child |
| 05:37.58 | Thunder_Child | i disagree |
| 05:38.30 | airtonix | so does that mean you're bald ? |
| 05:40.04 | Thunder_Child | not at all |
| 05:40.10 | Thunder_Child | i have amazing ahir actually |
| 05:40.13 | Thunder_Child | hair* |
| 05:42.16 | airtonix | not if you keep up this level of stress |
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| 05:45.10 | Thunder_Child | it's been like that for some time, my sleep goes to garbage, my hair is great. |
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| 06:06.56 | airtonix | i slept very well last night Thunder_Child |
| 06:21.44 | Thunder_Child | thats nice airtonix |
| 06:28.08 | Shirik | I did not |
| 06:29.23 | Shirik | I don't get it wobin |
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| 06:44.51 | kd3 | Cairenn, you around? |
| 06:44.57 | Cairenn | yup |
| 06:45.19 | kd3 | dunno how much control you have over the ads on wowhead (poked the channel, didn't get a response), but a goldseller ad's getting through the filter |
| 06:45.28 | kd3 | http://googleads.g.doubleclick.net/pagead/imgad?id=CMa22ayY8eyUOhDYBRhaMgi1heByOLsDhg |
| 06:45.36 | Cairenn | k, thanks |
| 06:45.47 | Cairenn | what page, and where are you located again? |
| 06:45.57 | kd3 | us; http://ptr.wowhead.com/item=69855 |
| 06:46.04 | Cairenn | k |
| 06:46.12 | Cairenn | will forward it along to the ad dept |
| 06:46.17 | kd3 | kk |
| 06:46.48 | Cairenn | thank you |
| 06:46.52 | kd3 | np |
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| 08:24.50 | Cairenn | ~pil |
| 08:24.50 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
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| 08:26.41 | Cairenn | is pastey.net down for anyone else? |
| 08:26.58 | haste | looks like it |
| 08:27.06 | Cairenn | bleh |
| 08:27.08 | Cairenn | k, thanks |
| 08:27.48 | airtonix | http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/pastey.net |
| 08:27.52 | Shirik | it's been down for a while |
| 08:28.38 | Shirik | however, I DO have brocolli and cheese |
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| 08:29.29 | Shirik | http://www.lolpix.com/_pics/Funny_Pictures_341/Funny_Pictures_3411.jpg |
| 08:33.20 | airtonix | why would you eat cheese with brocolli? eat it with lemon |
| 08:37.48 | Shirik | cheese with lemon sounds awful |
| 08:52.59 | airtonix | borcolli you smeghead |
| 08:53.04 | airtonix | brocolli: |
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| 09:12.43 | sylvanaar | ew |
| 09:19.17 | mckenziemc | we |
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| 09:38.57 | Fisker | why not airtonix ? |
| 09:39.18 | airtonix | isn't it obvious |
| 09:40.43 | Xinhuan | http://mashable.com/2011/06/03/zomg-twittersphere-oxford-dictionary/ |
| 09:40.49 | Xinhuan | so "zomg" is now a word |
| 09:46.28 | Adys | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Apache_Software_Foundation_Projects |
| 09:46.35 | Adys | Tcl: dynamic websites using Tool Command Language |
| 09:46.46 | Arrowmaster | people still use tcl? |
| 09:46.54 | Adys | theres really no telling just how much garbage there is in apache |
| 09:46.58 | Adys | in asf* |
| 09:47.25 | Arrowmaster | asf does subversion, enough said |
| 09:47.38 | Adys | xml is part of the asf? since when? |
| 09:50.11 | Adys | wtf is up with that page |
| 09:50.14 | Adys | Shirik: FIX IT |
| 09:51.39 | Arrowmaster | damn ducks are going to drive me insane |
| 09:52.29 | haste | QUACK QUACK QUACK QUACK |
| 09:52.55 | bluspacecow | WOOF |
| 09:53.00 | bluspacecow | WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF |
| 09:53.44 | Adys | FISKER FISKER FISKER FISKER |
| 09:53.47 | Arrowmaster | theyve been hanging around my neighbors pool for the past few weeks, and dont seem to care about their dogs |
| 09:53.51 | Fisker | it's Adys Adys |
| 09:53.55 | Fisker | gotta get down on adys |
| 09:54.19 | bluspacecow | everyone's look forward to the danish , danish |
| 09:54.22 | bluspacecow | wait |
| 09:54.24 | bluspacecow | nvm |
| 09:56.18 | Adys | come on pyside |
| 09:56.20 | haste | HODOR! HODOR HODOR HODOR HODOR HODOR HOHOHOHODOROROR |
| 09:56.20 | Fisker | hey bluspacecow |
| 09:56.23 | Adys | get me support for 3.x already |
| 09:56.34 | bluspacecow | yarrrrrrr |
| 09:56.38 | bluspacecow | 3.x of ? |
| 09:56.51 | haste | python! |
| 09:56.53 | haste | guesses. |
| 09:56.59 | Adys | ya |
| 09:57.12 | bluspacecow | aren't you married ? |
| 09:57.20 | Adys | sure am |
| 09:57.23 | bluspacecow | isn't a little too late to ask for help with your sex life ? |
| 09:57.30 | bluspacecow | talking about your python and snake |
| 09:57.36 | Adys | it's never too late |
| 10:00.10 | Adys | Arrowmaster: ping |
| 10:00.16 | Arrowmaster | what |
| 10:00.21 | Adys | Arrowmaster: ever installed debian off a thumb drive? |
| 10:00.26 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 10:00.36 | Adys | is it reliable? |
| 10:00.40 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 10:00.42 | Adys | last time i did that with ubuntu i wiped out a hd |
| 10:00.54 | Arrowmaster | its how i installed this system |
| 10:01.03 | Adys | mmk |
| 10:01.24 | Adys | followup question, what's the status on current unstable? i cant find an up to date page for it |
| 10:02.02 | Adys | nvm, apparently theres no rd set |
| 10:02.03 | Arrowmaster | http://edos.debian.net/weather/ |
| 10:02.17 | Arrowmaster | unstable never has a release date |
| 10:02.28 | Arrowmaster | its never been released and never will be released |
| 10:03.09 | Adys | i mean what's the rd on wheezy |
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| 10:03.26 | Arrowmaster | goal is 2 years between releases |
| 10:04.00 | Adys | does unstable backport new majors between those years? |
| 10:04.15 | Arrowmaster | there backports.debian.org |
| 10:04.44 | Adys | ok |
| 10:05.17 | Arrowmaster | im going to switch to using wheezy at some point here though |
| 10:05.35 | Adys | isnt unstable==wheezy atm? |
| 10:05.39 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 10:05.49 | Arrowmaster | testing is wheezy |
| 10:05.58 | Adys | so whats unstable? |
| 10:06.04 | Arrowmaster | sid |
| 10:06.16 | nebula169 | always sid ! |
| 10:06.35 | Arrowmaster | and experimental is rc-buggy |
| 10:06.55 | Adys | Arrowmaster: so its experimental, unstable, testing, stable? |
| 10:07.18 | Arrowmaster | experimental isnt a real release, it has to be used with unstable |
| 10:07.30 | Arrowmaster | but yeah |
| 10:07.36 | Arrowmaster | theres also oldstable |
| 10:07.45 | Adys | fuck oldstable |
| 10:08.08 | Arrowmaster | you want to fuck a dinosaur? |
| 10:08.20 | Adys | stable is the dinosaur |
| 10:08.42 | Adys | oldstable is what dinosaurs point and laugh at when they find something old |
| 10:08.57 | Arrowmaster | oh wait no lenny is the binoculars |
| 10:10.14 | Adys | Arrowmaster: debian still doesnt use pulse yeah? |
| 10:10.34 | airtonix | pulse awesome you slanderous cretin |
| 10:10.37 | Arrowmaster | depends |
| 10:10.43 | Adys | by default |
| 10:10.51 | Arrowmaster | depends |
| 10:10.59 | Adys | on what? |
| 10:10.59 | Arrowmaster | i thought i heard gnome3 requires it |
| 10:13.31 | Arrowmaster | gnome-settings-daemon for gnome3 has it as a recommend so it will get installed by default |
| 10:14.18 | Adys | http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xdg/2008-August/009820.html |
| 10:14.22 | Adys | well this never got anywhere... |
| 10:18.38 | Adys | Arrowmaster: iiuc, if i use unstable i dont need to use backports, right? |
| 10:18.52 | Arrowmaster | backports are created from testing |
| 10:19.00 | Adys | so yes |
| 10:19.04 | Arrowmaster | yes |
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| 10:20.05 | Arrowmaster | backports are for stable only anyway, you dont mix anything intended for different releases |
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| 10:41.34 | Adys | Arrowmaster: got a link to the best amd64 archive for a debian unstable kde install? |
| 10:41.54 | Adys | im guessing its download 6.0, install kde and upgrade all but doublechecking |
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| 11:21.44 | Fisker | hey |
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| 11:36.13 | airtonix | tourettes |
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| 12:25.41 | Jamash | ALERT |
| 12:25.49 | Jamash | DEADPOOL HAS A TWITTER ACCOUNT |
| 12:26.15 | foxlit | what's a deadpool and why does it care? |
| 12:26.23 | foxlit | s/what/when/ |
| 12:26.33 | Jamash | https://twitter.com/#!/realdeadpool you philistine |
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| 12:27.25 | Jamash | Adys: Regular KDE isn't unstable enough for you? HEYOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
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| 12:29.40 | Fisker | oh ok Jamash |
| 12:29.48 | Fisker | i want 64-bit wow now |
| 12:30.15 | Jamash | Fisker: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/WoW64 |
| 12:30.19 | airtonix | hey fisker, second life is retarded right? |
| 12:30.21 | Jamash | you're welcome |
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| 12:30.27 | Fisker | umadbro airtonix ? |
| 12:30.31 | Fisker | old Jamash |
| 12:30.33 | airtonix | i lol'd |
| 12:30.41 | Fisker | and i said 64-bit wow |
| 12:30.43 | mckenziemc | old Fisker |
| 12:30.44 | Fisker | not WoW64 |
| 12:30.46 | Fisker | owned |
| 12:30.52 | Jamash | CLOSE ENOUGH FOR GOVERNMENT WORK |
| 12:30.54 | airtonix | wow on a nintendo 64 ? |
| 12:33.33 | Jamash | I don't think the N64 has enough pins for 256 gigabit carts |
| 12:46.53 | cbreak | there's always time multiplexing |
| 12:47.11 | cbreak | like DDR memory, just transfer data on the rising and falling edge |
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| 12:54.33 | mckenziemc | doh |
| 12:54.44 | mckenziemc | gametime ran out in teh middle of a dungeon O.o |
| 12:54.55 | mckenziemc | and i can't log into b.net to add time |
| 12:57.10 | cbreak | battle.net is the new play station network? |
| 13:00.19 | mckenziemc | soooo |
| 13:00.22 | mckenziemc | that was interesting |
| 13:01.31 | mckenziemc | i tried logging onto my other account so i could let the group i was with know, then get locked out bc apparantly the location lockout thing is per wow account (even though it locks the whole b.net account) |
| 13:02.13 | mckenziemc | i was getting a Service Unavailable message when i tried to log into the site but i think that's what teh prob was, bc it worked after resetting teh password |
| 13:03.24 | mckenziemc | "This service is not available" on the login popup thing, not a general http error |
| 13:04.03 | mckenziemc | wow |
| 13:04.29 | nevcairiel | they kicked you out, thats what it is |
| 13:04.34 | mckenziemc | then i queue for ZA/ZG on accident intead of normal heroics, this char isn't ready for those yet so i had to drop group xD |
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| 13:12.03 | mckenziemc | cries |
| 13:12.13 | mckenziemc | locked again |
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| 13:37.23 | airtonix | http://www.videobash.com/video_show/tired-cat-passes-out-12714 |
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| 13:57.57 | Cide | best of luck Fisker |
| 13:57.59 | Cide | er. |
| 13:58.02 | Cide | best of luck foxlit. |
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| 13:59.24 | Lunessa | station |
| 14:00.40 | foxlit | glhf, Cide. |
| 14:01.25 | Wobin | follows Deadpool |
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| 14:06.25 | Lunessa | If one must work Saturdays, it is ok to console oneself with donuts. |
| 14:07.34 | Adys | Fetched 649 MB in 6s (5555 kB/s) |
| 14:07.39 | Adys | that... doesnt look right |
| 14:08.28 | Maldivia | if it resumed from a previous download, where you had 620 mb already, then it looks kind of right? :) |
| 14:08.49 | Adys | it didnt |
| 14:08.50 | Adys | :P |
| 14:09.27 | Maldivia | hmm, using compression, and it's a 650mb of null-bytes? |
| 14:10.52 | Adys | its network fetch |
| 14:11.08 | Adys | (gtk-update-icon-cache:8704): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Cannot open pixbuf loader module file '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache': No such file or directory |
| 14:11.11 | Adys | aint you a cute spamfest |
| 14:11.59 | Maldivia | the system clock updated during the fetch, and the total time is calculated as [end time]-[start time] ? |
| 14:12.30 | Adys | Maldivia: thats actually a very cute explanation |
| 14:12.32 | Adys | ~maldivia++ |
| 14:12.35 | Adys | but thats still not it. |
| 14:12.55 | nevcairiel | it can only show 4 digits for the speed! |
| 14:13.29 | Adys | it upgrades to mbps over 10000kbps |
| 14:13.36 | Adys | but nice try. |
| 14:13.45 | Adys | half a point. |
| 14:13.49 | Adys | ~nevcairiel+ |
| 14:13.56 | mckenziemc | lol |
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| 14:41.19 | airtonix | so fisker, why would you start a business in second (lol) life? |
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| 14:59.59 | bluspacecow | if ( Is64BitClient() ) then dllURL = http://us.scan.worldofwarcraft.com/update/Scan-64.dll;else |
| 15:00.15 | bluspacecow | and this has people thinking Blizzard is ready to release a 64 bit client |
| 15:01.32 | Jamash | well, they have to be working on one, whether or not it's nearly ready |
| 15:01.50 | airtonix | i hate that variable name |
| 15:02.10 | airtonix | Dublin Luck URL |
| 15:02.21 | Jamash | you mean how it's made of two initialisms but is in camelCase? |
| 15:02.52 | airtonix | i hate having to even spend one iota of brain power to decipher what the programmer means when they create variables |
| 15:02.59 | Jamash | dynamicLinkLibraryUniversalResourceLocator = |
| 15:03.16 | bluspacecow | is that like how they've had a linux client for years? |
| 15:03.29 | airtonix | troll harder |
| 15:03.41 | Jamash | man if valve and blizzard released native linux games I wouldn't need windows anymore |
| 15:03.57 | |Jelly| | srs |
| 15:05.10 | airtonix | so lets move this sterling conversation to second life |
| 15:05.14 | airtonix | discuss |
| 15:05.29 | |Jelly| | graphical sexxes chats |
| 15:05.47 | Jamash | 95% of the software I run is one of: already available for Linux, unnecessary on Linux, or has a perfectly good Linux equivalent |
| 15:05.55 | Jamash | except games |
| 15:06.00 | airtonix | apparently i'm supposed to want to start a business in second life |
| 15:06.22 | |Jelly| | You /could/ make decent money, if you were able to invest the time it would take. |
| 15:06.25 | Jamash | I think most SL "business" is porn or copyright infringement or both |
| 15:06.29 | bluspacecow | @jamash whats the other 5% ? |
| 15:06.32 | |Jelly| | Or at least, I've heard of people making decent money. |
| 15:06.39 | airtonix | but there is no nueral interface i can buy |
| 15:06.43 | |Jelly| | Probably Blizz/Valve games |
| 15:07.19 | Jamash | bluspacecow: uh, hmm |
| 15:07.34 | Jamash | I guess 100% then (sans games) |
| 15:07.41 | airtonix | no |
| 15:07.56 | airtonix | the other 5% is iOS stuff |
| 15:08.05 | airtonix | i bet you use itunes Jamash |
| 15:08.33 | Jamash | helllllllllllllll no |
| 15:08.46 | bluspacecow | hmmm |
| 15:08.47 | Jamash | I uninstalled that piece of crap ages ago |
| 15:08.48 | bluspacecow | interesting |
| 15:09.10 | bluspacecow | i can't seem to find that code in the XML browser on wowprogramming.com |
| 15:09.39 | mckenziemc | 3 deer are staring at me through the window :( |
| 15:09.56 | bluspacecow | they want to eat you |
| 15:10.04 | Jamash | when Apple went all dark side with the app store licensing, I dropped itunes, and I haven't really missed it |
| 15:10.12 | |Jelly| | seriously. you should probably be scared for you life. |
| 15:10.27 | Jamash | I mostly used it for podcasts and Miro is an excellent podcast aggregator |
| 15:10.54 | Fisker | penis airtonix :D |
| 15:11.01 | bluspacecow | they're imaging you with melted cheese and BBQ sauce right now mck |
| 15:11.04 | bluspacecow | derp |
| 15:11.04 | airtonix | is that what you would sell? |
| 15:11.19 | |Jelly| | You haven't eaten peanut butter snickers lately, have you? |
| 15:11.22 | bluspacecow | nvm guys wowprogramming doesn't have the extract for the latest build of the PTR |
| 15:11.41 | Jamash | regular snickers have peanuts...? |
| 15:11.51 | airtonix | lol |
| 15:11.55 | Jamash | I'm not sure I understand |
| 15:12.01 | |Jelly| | woah. woah. mind = blown. |
| 15:12.07 | airtonix | all confectionary bars have traces of peanuts |
| 15:12.13 | airtonix | every single one of them |
| 15:13.02 | Jamash | almond snickers are rad |
| 15:14.36 | Jamash | almost any chocolate candy is made better with almonds |
| 15:16.15 | Jamash | almonds are like epic peanuts |
| 15:16.23 | airtonix | no |
| 15:18.22 | Jamash | I wish they'd make the ui extract a command line option instead of a console command |
| 15:20.55 | Jamash | ~seen Iriel |
| 15:21.00 | purl | iriel <~Iriel@adsl-71-158-244-138.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 5d 11h 59m 56s ago, saying: 'Use frame:SetScript("OnShow", yourFunctionName)'. |
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| 15:25.03 | mckenziemc | not sure if bluspacecow |
| 15:25.25 | bluspacecow | i lolzed |
| 15:29.20 | bluspacecow | i is having brain fart |
| 15:29.39 | bluspacecow | whats it called when you can't type swear words in a post in the forums |
| 15:29.45 | bluspacecow | as it auto- _______________ when you post |
| 15:30.25 | Jamash | censorship? |
| 15:30.28 | Jamash | wordfilter? |
| 15:31.17 | Jamash | wait, do the new forums not have a signature option? |
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| 15:31.31 | mckenziemc | blu: you *is* brain fart |
| 15:34.00 | mckenziemc | you scared away teh deer too |
| 15:34.09 | Lunessa | Jamash: They do not. |
| 15:35.06 | Jamash | weird |
| 15:37.07 | Lunessa | I think it's to prevent the sort of forum spam you see elsewhere. |
| 15:43.07 | A-KO | http://ipv6.blizzard.com |
| 15:43.07 | A-KO | :D |
| 15:44.11 | bluspacecow | @a-ko I see that and go of f*&^&**@#&^@# more work for the tech support guys on that day |
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| 15:58.33 | airtonix | lawl, "hanna, what did your mum die of?" "three bullets" |
| 15:58.54 | A-KO | lol |
| 15:58.57 | A-KO | good quote in that movie IMO |
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| 16:21.28 | bluspacecow | ~lastseen Mybrain |
| 16:27.47 | Fisker | wow forums |
| 16:27.48 | Fisker | fuck yeah |
| 16:27.53 | Fisker | i trapped someone bluspacecow |
| 16:28.26 | bluspacecow | lolzed |
| 16:28.30 | bluspacecow | i dids |
| 16:29.52 | Fisker | http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2151761337?page=2#23 <-he is trapped in a figuratively basement of a younger girl with which he wishes to woo, but upstairs awaits only the cameras of dateline nbc and the police |
| 16:30.06 | Fisker | + house'n'shit but you get the idea |
| 16:31.21 | Cide | wow I failed |
| 16:31.42 | foxlit | aw :( |
| 16:34.39 | Cide | I spent over an hour on the first problem because I had A-B instead of B-A and it didn't show up in the test sample |
| 16:34.56 | Cide | fuck me |
| 16:35.24 | Fisker | get it bluspacecow ? |
| 16:35.25 | foxlit | Hey, two hours on D, and nothing to show for it |
| 16:35.44 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:36.03 | Fisker | :(? |
| 16:36.44 | bluspacecow | trollface.jpg - u jelly ? |
| 16:37.10 | Cide | not sure why my solution to B didn't work |
| 16:37.11 | Fisker | no u |
| 16:37.19 | foxlit | Cide: blades with even side sizes. |
| 16:37.25 | Fisker | i think he shot himself down in the basement bluspacecow |
| 16:37.30 | bluspacecow | oh my |
| 16:37.34 | Cide | I thought I had that part covered |
| 16:37.39 | Fisker | went from replying in a few minutes to not replying in the last 20 or so |
| 16:37.53 | Jamash | bluspacecow: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-WThYeUpjbM4/TeglaeiloyI/AAAAAAAAE4w/VQ-3utCbAE8/s1600/DPOOL038_DC11_LR.png |
| 16:38.21 | Cide | oh whoops |
| 16:38.46 | Cide | I ran out of time so |
| 16:38.49 | Jamash | I think I may be in love with Deadpool |
| 16:38.56 | Fisker | pop references are awesome |
| 16:38.57 | Cide | I only checked that the horizontal mass was equal |
| 16:38.58 | Fisker | oh wait |
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| 16:38.59 | Cide | ^_^ |
| 16:39.05 | Jamash | yes Fisker |
| 16:39.06 | Jamash | they are |
| 16:39.27 | Fisker | no u |
| 16:40.14 | foxlit | Did I mention I hate backtracking searches? |
| 16:40.40 | foxlit | Should write me some code to get rid of those once and for all :( |
| 16:41.25 | Fisker | puts ketchup on Jamash's food |
| 16:45.46 | Jamash | puts kvetchup on Fisker's pop culture. |
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| 16:49.35 | Fisker | hey Jamash |
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| 16:51.04 | Jamash | is for horses |
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| 16:55.23 | mckenziemc | Fisker is for goats |
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| 17:02.42 | airtonix | hey Fisker, i'm awesome [1] |
| 17:02.51 | Fisker | hey airtonix |
| 17:02.56 | Fisker | clicking the 1 does nothing |
| 17:03.03 | airtonix | umadbro? |
| 17:03.05 | Fisker | must replace with citation needed |
| 17:07.46 | airtonix | why wouldn't you use secondlife? |
| 17:07.58 | airtonix | it seems legite to me |
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| 17:09.49 | Fisker | i once killed a guy airtonix |
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| 17:11.23 | airtonix | tell me more |
| 17:12.02 | mckenziemc | citation needed, fisker |
| 17:12.24 | mckenziemc | original research not allowed |
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| 17:14.04 | Dagmar | "42 inch Flat Screen NIB - $300 (Columbia)" |
| 17:14.07 | Dagmar | wrong chan |
| 17:17.01 | bluspacecow | did you want the /e/ of 4 chan ? electronics fap ? |
| 17:18.16 | Dagmar | No, I'm just trying to figure out why my friend thinks this Craigslist for sale ad is "funny" |
| 17:18.32 | Dagmar | It has two pictures of a TV, clearly out of it's box, but funny? |
| 17:19.05 | airtonix | lawl that's hilarious |
| 17:19.08 | bluspacecow | it it artfully arranged with other pieces of furniture to form a phallis ? |
| 17:19.41 | Dagmar | http://nashville.craigslist.org/ele/2418159269.html |
| 17:20.23 | nevcairiel | that tv doesnt look like 42 inch |
| 17:20.54 | Dagmar | Nah it probably s |
| 17:21.08 | Dagmar | Looks about the same size as mine and it's 41" |
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| 17:23.11 | airtonix | so what's so funny? |
| 17:23.26 | Dagmar | I have *no* idea |
| 17:23.27 | mckenziemc | slaps bluspacecow around a bit with a phallus |
| 17:24.10 | airtonix | i know whats funny |
| 17:24.21 | bluspacecow | maybe the photos are funny |
| 17:24.26 | airtonix | craiglist site is shit |
| 17:24.32 | bluspacecow | like the guys like "meh she's flat chested" |
| 17:26.30 | airtonix | are you ? |
| 17:27.52 | mckenziemc | i am |
| 17:46.58 | Arrowmaster | ok amazon is still sending duke first access codes even though they dont mention it anywhere |
| 17:47.24 | Adys | Maldivia: DW starting |
| 17:47.32 | airtonix | dw? |
| 17:47.33 | Adys | im in the uk and i cant watch it because i dont have a tv. |
| 17:47.38 | Adys | damn it. |
| 17:48.00 | Adys | Maldivia: also you turned me into a wuss. Im planning to wait for the 780p version :/ |
| 17:48.48 | nevcairiel | Having some standards on image quality does not mean you are a wuss |
| 17:48.56 | nevcairiel | i dont watch anything anymore thats not at least 720p. :P |
| 17:50.01 | nevcairiel | at least not broadcasts, original DVD content is mostly "fine", unless its a really crappy dvd |
| 17:51.38 | airtonix | why |
| 17:51.51 | airtonix | do you have a 4 meter wide screen? |
| 17:52.07 | Adys | nevcairiel: theres fantastic tv material thats not in 720p |
| 17:52.26 | Adys | i do hope you dont skip on that plainly because of qual |
| 17:53.32 | Cide | did you qualify foxlit? |
| 17:53.40 | Cide | or did you spend too much time on D? |
| 17:56.38 | foxlit | nah, failed D miserably |
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| 17:58.25 | Adys | Dagmar: do you know if theres a #! which selects the user's default console? |
| 17:58.30 | Adys | sh, bash, zsh and what not |
| 17:59.59 | nevcairiel | Adys: if thats the only choice, and the show is worth it, sure. But if there is a choice, why go lower |
| 18:00.11 | nevcairiel | even if it means waiting an hour longer for DW |
| 18:00.23 | Dagmar | Adys: No, I know that ther'es *not* |
| 18:00.35 | Dagmar | Adys: The user's default shell is set in /etc/passwd. |
| 18:00.47 | Adys | mk |
| 18:00.52 | Dagmar | The only thing #! does is tell the machine what binary should parse the script it's in |
| 18:01.04 | Arrowmaster | Adys: #!/bin/sh |
| 18:01.08 | Adys | sh is sh |
| 18:01.10 | Arrowmaster | exec $SHELL |
| 18:01.11 | Dagmar | You could have #!/usr/local/bin/nostril and it would merrily feed the entire script to that |
| 18:01.16 | Adys | er |
| 18:01.38 | Adys | you mean like #!/bin/sh exec shell ? |
| 18:01.39 | Adys | er |
| 18:01.41 | Adys | $SHELL |
| 18:01.49 | Arrowmaster | on seperate lines yeah |
| 18:01.55 | Arrowmaster | try it |
| 18:01.56 | Dagmar | Yes, that's what a shell is |
| 18:01.59 | Adys | meh |
| 18:02.10 | Adys | I wanted a hashbang for it :P its for my ocd |
| 18:02.24 | Dagmar | #! only applies to scripts, in particular... *shell* scripts hint hint |
| 18:02.29 | Arrowmaster | it would be stupid to have a hashbang for it |
| 18:02.50 | Arrowmaster | since the rest of the script is dependent on what the hashbang is |
| 18:02.54 | Adys | i wonder |
| 18:02.58 | Adys | wouldnt #!$SHELL work? |
| 18:03.16 | Arrowmaster | if somebody has their default shell set to csh you would be fucked since the syntax is completely different |
| 18:03.22 | Dagmar | Possibly, but it would be phenomenally error prone |
| 18:03.24 | Adys | yeah i figured |
| 18:04.16 | Dagmar | Actually, I'm gonna say probably not |
| 18:04.42 | Dagmar | I *think* it's the kernel that deals with that and I don't think it cares much for variable name expansion |
| 18:05.41 | Arrowmaster | yes it is the kernel |
| 18:07.41 | Adys | yeah then it wouldnt work :/ |
| 18:07.42 | Adys | beh |
| 18:07.45 | Shirik | so let me break it down for you |
| 18:07.49 | Shirik | It's a very simple algorithm |
| 18:08.11 | Shirik | if (IsLinuxFeature()) { isInKernel = true; } else { isInKernel = maybe; } |
| 18:08.20 | Dagmar | rofl |
| 18:08.22 | Dagmar | Shirik++ |
| 18:08.43 | Adys | i wish notch would change it so chunks are only 16x16x64 |
| 18:08.46 | Adys | and have two chunks per level |
| 18:08.53 | Adys | this would solve a lot of issues actually |
| 18:08.56 | Dagmar | There's still the falling problem |
| 18:09.36 | Dagmar | ...and personally I'd rather he just double the height of chunks and implement client-side caching for SMP |
| 18:10.09 | Dagmar | I think he needs to go back to ordered-from-center chunk shipping |
| 18:10.15 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: where else do you expect the program execution code to be besides the kernel? |
| 18:10.21 | Adys | if the chunks height was divided by two, you could have as many as you like in height |
| 18:10.21 | Adys | and |
| 18:10.26 | Adys | thats the case already isnt it? |
| 18:10.44 | Dagmar | This "throw chunks from the nearby area at the user at random" thing still leads to too many holes that disappear just in time for you to not fall into them |
| 18:10.48 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: Some day (not urgent at all) take a look at QNX |
| 18:10.49 | airtonix | what is a chunk |
| 18:10.57 | Adys | your mom is a chunk |
| 18:10.57 | Shirik | They have next to nothing in the kernel |
| 18:11.01 | Dagmar | An area of the map |
| 18:11.19 | Dagmar | The client deals with bits of the map in "chunks" of 16x16 and 128 high |
| 18:11.34 | Dagmar | Mainly so you can always see the bottom when you fall |
| 18:12.20 | Adys | besides |
| 18:12.31 | Adys | it would likely be much more efficient to have 32x32x32 chunks |
| 18:12.32 | Adys | wouldnt it? |
| 18:12.53 | Dagmar | You'd wind up with chunks missing below you when you fall |
| 18:13.04 | Dagmar | There's a reason minecarts have a max speed of travel |
| 18:13.06 | Adys | you'd still load the ones under you |
| 18:13.19 | Dagmar | Then there's be no point in having them as separate chunks |
| 18:13.26 | Cide | sure there is |
| 18:13.35 | Cide | with a good heuristic you could prioritize ones relevant to your depth |
| 18:13.51 | Dagmar | You could also priorize ones near to the character, but that doesn't happen either. ;) |
| 18:13.57 | Cide | right |
| 18:13.58 | Adys | yes it does |
| 18:14.29 | Dagmar | Then get on a mine cart and tell me why it is you can regularly see through the world as the server lazily doesn't bother to send you nearby chunks until your'e almost *in* them |
| 18:14.43 | bluspacecow | heh dagmar that chunk loading thing is why i loved 1.6.6 or was it 1.6.6 |
| 18:14.47 | Dagmar | It fails at which chunks it shoudl probably send on a regular basis |
| 18:14.51 | bluspacecow | not sure if its the same thing you are talking of |
| 18:15.05 | Dagmar | In 1.5 I frequently wound up riding through open space |
| 18:15.06 | bluspacecow | but i would be out walking and there would be huge chasms in teh world |
| 18:15.12 | bluspacecow | perfectly square |
| 18:15.25 | Cide | on a minecart you'd just send ones along the rail first and foremost |
| 18:15.27 | bluspacecow | i ended up using them to hunt for iron then mine down to where the iron was :) |
| 18:15.43 | Dagmar | cide: That would mean the server gets to seek through the map following your minecart tracks |
| 18:16.22 | Cide | which is extremely simple with some memoization |
| 18:16.23 | Dagmar | *Mine* all run in straight lines, but I'm the minority in that |
| 18:16.33 | Dagmar | This is notch-code man |
| 18:16.37 | Dagmar | Heh |
| 18:16.53 | Cide | that problem wouldn't even show up in the CJ qualification round! |
| 18:17.00 | Dagmar | He codes like someone who thinks in assembly |
| 18:17.01 | airtonix | wut |
| 18:17.32 | Shirik | are you talking about the minecraft developer? |
| 18:17.44 | Dagmar | "Algorithms will become painfully tedios to write in proportion to their complexity" |
| 18:18.00 | Dagmar | Shirik: yes |
| 18:18.04 | Cide | notch quote? |
| 18:18.07 | Shirik | He codes like someone that doesn't think at all |
| 18:18.09 | Dagmar | Not a quote |
| 18:18.23 | Cide | then why did you put it in quotation marks -_- |
| 18:18.47 | Shirik | I'm still not quite sure how he simultaneously decided to make a server in Java, but also make it in such a way that it doesn't run on hardened servers |
| 18:18.48 | Dagmar | Because it neatly sums up the mindset you get into when you code in a language as painful as assembly |
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| 18:19.45 | airtonix | Shirik: explain |
| 18:19.59 | Dagmar | Shirik: That one's easy |
| 18:20.33 | airtonix | Shirik: i demand it |
| 18:20.37 | Dagmar | Java runs almost everywhere, and no one cares about hardened servers |
| 18:20.46 | Dagmar | Well, almost no one |
| 18:20.48 | Shirik | except it's a server application |
| 18:21.04 | Dagmar | It's a toy, first and foremost tho |
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| 18:22.16 | Dagmar | It *looks* like he created the server code by mostly just cloning out the subroutines that were in the client |
| 18:22.31 | Cide | ew |
| 18:22.37 | Dagmar | Yeah but it does still work |
| 18:22.44 | Cide | naturally |
| 18:23.01 | Dagmar | It leaves you messes to clean up later, but it gets the thing up and running in the meantime |
| 18:23.11 | Cide | it's just the local client with RPC's instead of function calls |
| 18:23.21 | Cide | except it's orders of magnitude stupider |
| 18:23.31 | Dagmar | NAh it was all thta stupid to begin with |
| 18:23.46 | Shirik | he should have used CORBA |
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| 18:23.56 | Cide | corba is stupid |
| 18:24.01 | Cide | it should have been named COBRA |
| 18:24.05 | Cide | and it would have been cool |
| 18:24.06 | Dagmar | The other thing that C=64 assembly taught you is to never try to do much work at one time |
| 18:24.22 | Dagmar | Input happened, deal with it, hurriedly go back to waiting |
| 18:24.53 | Dagmar | You don't engage in long subroutines of precalculation for anything you can't handle quickly later |
| 18:25.23 | Dagmar | The only part of the code that even resembles planning ahead is the terrain generation |
| 18:25.39 | Dagmar | ...and you'll note that even IT doesn't generate actual terrain until someone looks at it |
| 18:26.05 | Dagmar | Theres' definitely a method to Notch's madness |
| 18:27.10 | Dagmar | Considering Java's reputation for being onerously slow, it's probably good that he keeps the actual operations to quick, short bursts |
| 18:27.32 | foxlit | Meh |
| 18:27.41 | foxlit | (a) One wonders if that reputation is outdated |
| 18:27.43 | foxlit | (b) JIT. |
| 18:27.46 | Dagmar | It is |
| 18:28.06 | Dagmar | ...but it was pretty much a reality anytime he generated new chunks on windows |
| 18:28.47 | Dagmar | Someoen get me an snmpd that doesn't lock it's mib database while handling a query |
| 18:32.58 | Xinhuan | actually Dagmar, the reason for 128 tall chunks isn't really the falling reason |
| 18:33.05 | Xinhuan | its more to do with sunlight lighting |
| 18:33.19 | Xinhuan | if you build a block at Y=127, it needs to update light all the way to Y=0 |
| 18:33.41 | Dagmar | Yeah but it lights across chunk boundaries with torches all the time |
| 18:34.00 | Xinhuan | yes but that's because adjacent chunks are always loaded |
| 18:34.25 | Cide | is lightning calculated server side? |
| 18:34.29 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 18:34.33 | Cide | what the fuck? |
| 18:34.46 | Xinhuan | because it controls spawning too |
| 18:34.48 | Dagmar | yes he actually repaints blocks when there's a light change |
| 18:34.50 | mckenziemc | what the Fisker* |
| 18:34.53 | Cide | right |
| 18:34.54 | Xinhuan | so the server has to know the lighting of every block |
| 18:34.58 | Cide | that's fair but |
| 18:35.05 | Xinhuan | if some vertical chunks below you weren't loaded, the server would have to load them to update light |
| 18:35.07 | Cide | what I meant to ask was |
| 18:35.13 | Cide | does the client *not* calculate lightning? |
| 18:35.19 | Dagmar | Nope |
| 18:35.22 | Xinhuan | it doesn't |
| 18:35.24 | Cide | WHAT THE FUCK. |
| 18:35.27 | Xinhuan | 1.6.2 proofed this |
| 18:35.27 | Dagmar | lol |
| 18:35.43 | Cide | naturally the server needs to calculate lightning but it shouldn't have to resend anything when it does so |
| 18:35.46 | Xinhuan | because notch added code to "not send data on certain server updates" |
| 18:35.48 | Cide | that calculation should be cloned |
| 18:35.56 | Xinhuan | and the result was when you dig a hole, the light doesn't update into the hole |
| 18:36.01 | Xinhuan | and notch reverted it in 1.6.3 |
| 18:36.09 | Cide | yeah I saw that bug |
| 18:36.13 | Dagmar | There's been *several* previous releases where the area containing the chunks you should see and the area containing the chunks that would have lighting updates applied were not the same |
| 18:36.15 | Cide | what the fucking hell |
| 18:36.27 | Dagmar | ...and so you'd see far off things that were still daylight |
| 18:36.42 | Xinhuan | yep, until the entire chunk gets updated to you |
| 18:36.54 | Dagmar | ...because it would load the chunk from when it was lit and then not update it until you got closer |
| 18:37.30 | bluspacecow | i thought that was them trying for discworld style realism |
| 18:37.46 | Dagmar | Part of the amusement in this is in watching someone fix things that happen due to very short term planning |
| 18:37.59 | Dagmar | bluspacecow: hahah no |
| 18:38.21 | Shirik | so this is kinda cool |
| 18:38.22 | Shirik | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-13653944 |
| 18:38.29 | Xinhuan | we don't know the netcode |
| 18:38.41 | Xinhuan | so we dont' know if it just sends the light values, or the entire chunk |
| 18:39.13 | Dagmar | Who doesn't know the netcode? |
| 18:39.56 | Dagmar | It usually takes less than ten minutes to find MCP, which will generally decompile, deobfuscate, and prep the thing as source you can look at, edit, and recompile |
| 18:40.46 | Xinhuan | well ok, you do that :P |
| 18:41.22 | Dagmar | There's also the small matter that you can actually *see* it updating light in waves |
| 18:43.03 | Dagmar | I'm pretty sure with daylight changes, the client is supposed to do the same calculations as the server |
| 18:43.29 | Dagmar | Otherwise I'd be seeing a massive spike in bandwidth during sundown/sunup |
| 18:44.57 | Maldivia | ... any minute now... |
| 18:45.38 | Dagmar | Xinhuan: Its got it's own penalty I assure you. Seeing how Notch handles x, y, z. |
| 18:45.58 | Dagmar | I don't even know what leads someone to do that |
| 18:45.59 | Xinhuan | but you do Dagmar |
| 18:46.02 | Xinhuan | if you leave F3 on |
| 18:46.12 | Xinhuan | you can see the "chunk updates" figure jump madly |
| 18:46.16 | Dagmar | Oh trust me, it's worse in the code |
| 18:46.18 | Xinhuan | every hour tick |
| 18:46.31 | Xinhuan | at dawn/dusk |
| 18:46.37 | Dagmar | Yeah I see it updating _it's_ chunks |
| 18:47.02 | Xinhuan | but that's exactly what happens - light level changes - chunk gets update |
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| 18:47.14 | Dagmar | The server can't manage to update chunks properly to the client when you move |
| 18:47.37 | Dagmar | It would be a hot mess if it were doing that to all 144 surrounding chunks at once |
| 18:48.05 | Xinhuan | that's why i said i don't know the netcode, and whether the server is ONLY sending light value updates versus the whole chunk |
| 18:48.09 | Dagmar | ...but it's a foregone conclusion what the result is going to be, so the client can just update the chunks for light itself |
| 18:49.02 | Xinhuan | there's 9.4 million blocks in all the loaded chunks around you |
| 18:50.37 | Maldivia | Adys: poke |
| 18:50.48 | Adys | pokeback, no i didnt watch yet :P |
| 18:50.59 | Maldivia | well, neither did I |
| 18:51.00 | Dagmar | eventually I'll get around to fixing my proxy/monitor, maybe. |
| 18:51.00 | Xinhuan | thats 4 million bytes if a light value uses half a byte, probably compressable to 100 kb before being sent over the net |
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| 18:51.11 | Dagmar | lol compresion |
| 18:51.13 | Maldivia | Adys: but I noticed the normal version just popped up :P |
| 18:51.21 | Adys | it popped up a while ago here! |
| 18:51.22 | Adys | and |
| 18:51.25 | Adys | im waiting for 720p |
| 18:51.27 | Adys | look what you did to me :/ |
| 18:51.28 | Maldivia | same |
| 18:51.43 | Xinhuan | yeah, notch tweeted about "compression using more cpu versus using more bandwidth" a while back |
| 18:51.55 | Dagmar | http://twitter.com/#!/notch/statuses/72939674179604480 |
| 18:52.02 | Dagmar | That's about as deep as Notch gets with compression |
| 18:52.14 | Xinhuan | he probably should recode the thing |
| 18:52.24 | Dagmar | Heheh I don't think he's doing to be doing anything like compression in his own code. heh |
| 18:52.29 | Adys | New torrent - Doctor Who - S06E07 (4th June 2011) [HDTV TS (h264)] |
| 18:52.30 | Adys | hm |
| 18:52.30 | Arrowmaster | Parnic: load times on 360 duke demo suck |
| 18:52.35 | Adys | i dont like ts |
| 18:52.36 | Cide | rofl |
| 18:52.43 | Dagmar | Client-side caching is probably what he needs to do |
| 18:52.43 | Cide | chrome crashes trying to open the twitter link |
| 18:52.53 | Arrowmaster | Adys: how big is the file? |
| 18:52.53 | Cide | that's how awful the that tweet is |
| 18:52.57 | Shirik | not for me |
| 18:52.57 | Maldivia | Adys: ehh... sounds weird |
| 18:53.06 | Adys | Arrowmaster: 2.7gb |
| 18:53.13 | Arrowmaster | transport stream |
| 18:53.22 | Cide | this is on fedora 15 which is pretty unstable for me :/ |
| 18:53.23 | Maldivia | so an mpeg4 TS file? |
| 18:53.28 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 18:53.31 | Adys | http://thebox.bz/details.php?id=160317 |
| 18:53.35 | Arrowmaster | wait till its reencoded |
| 18:53.44 | Dagmar | That would require seral numbering the chunks in some way and there doesn't appear to be any easy place to just throw that into the code |
| 18:55.47 | Dagmar | s/seral/serial/ |
| 18:58.04 | Cide | is anyone watching the mlg stream? |
| 18:58.57 | Xinhuan | not me, mlg, gsl, etc occur way too often to be a novelty anymore |
| 18:59.35 | Cide | true story |
| 19:00.48 | Maldivia | Adys: and the 720p version is there now :P |
| 19:01.01 | Adys | not here |
| 19:01.03 | Adys | blaaaaaaah |
| 19:01.43 | Adys | Maldivia: link |
| 19:03.20 | bluspacecow | gotta link to the mlg stream cide ? |
| 19:04.27 | Cide | I'm viewing it from a swedish site |
| 19:04.29 | Cide | use google |
| 19:04.52 | cbreak | they have an mlg in sweden too? interesting. |
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| 19:04.58 | Cide | no :P |
| 19:05.06 | Cide | it's a swedish site that posted the stream |
| 19:05.24 | bluspacecow | but i don't speak radish |
| 19:05.28 | bluspacecow | i won't be able to read it |
| 19:06.42 | Maldivia | Adys: hmm... ok, this might be nuked real fast :) |
| 19:06.51 | Adys | hm? |
| 19:07.07 | Maldivia | audio is 10sec out of sync :P |
| 19:07.24 | Adys | lol |
| 19:07.26 | Adys | nice |
| 19:07.32 | bluspacecow | how long is this episode ? |
| 19:07.34 | Adys | i had a mentalist ep like that |
| 19:07.39 | Adys | i rewatched it dozens of times |
| 19:08.09 | Adys | every time by resyncing the audio by 8.5sec in vlc |
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| 19:11.57 | Shirik | hi Cide |
| 19:12.06 | Shirik | did you kill chogall yet? |
| 19:12.38 | Cide | certainly; did you? |
| 19:14.13 | Cide | Shirik: ping because you apparently can't reply without getting pinged! |
| 19:14.25 | Shirik | no :( |
| 19:14.29 | Shirik | he is too hard I think you are lying |
| 19:14.32 | Shirik | he cannot be killed |
| 19:14.35 | Cide | lolol |
| 19:14.44 | Shirik | my raid team is so bad |
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| 19:14.51 | Cide | why did you stop three healing it? |
| 19:14.57 | Shirik | even my GM the other day was like "dude just call the raid this is pathetic" like 30 minutes in |
| 19:15.02 | Shirik | and he doesn't make raid calls, I do |
| 19:15.17 | Shirik | his job is to keep everyone happy |
| 19:15.21 | Shirik | because healing is not the issue |
| 19:15.29 | Shirik | dps/dps intelligence is |
| 19:15.43 | Cide | how long into the fight do you wipe, in minutes? |
| 19:15.50 | Adys | minutes? |
| 19:15.54 | Adys | wats a minute! |
| 19:16.00 | Cide | 60 seconds |
| 19:16.07 | Adys | WATS 60 |
| 19:16.13 | Cide | the number after 59 |
| 19:16.18 | Cide | the integer after 59 |
| 19:16.19 | Shirik | no longer than that |
| 19:16.21 | Adys | I JUST STAND IN THE FIRE BUT I DIE AFTER 20 SECONDS :( :( :( |
| 19:16.22 | bluspacecow | how long you take to orgasm |
| 19:16.30 | Adys | damn it bluspacecow |
| 19:16.38 | Adys | taking advantage of my jokes like that |
| 19:16.41 | Adys | bloody hell mate |
| 19:16.47 | Shirik | 5-6 minutes? |
| 19:16.48 | Cide | s(s(s(s(0)))) seconds |
| 19:16.52 | Shirik | http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-ptmrilfmuzaxqwj9/ |
| 19:16.54 | bluspacecow | hey that's longer then some men *rhumbs up* |
| 19:17.35 | Shirik | ... |
| 19:17.54 | Xinhuan | are you talking about hards? |
| 19:17.59 | Shirik | NO |
| 19:18.01 | Adys | Maldivia: New torrent - Doctor Who s06e07 - A Good Man Goes to War (4th June 2011 ) [HDTV 720p (x264)] |
| 19:18.02 | Shirik | MY RAID TEAM IS SO BAD |
| 19:18.02 | Xinhuan | [see what i did there] |
| 19:18.07 | Adys | Xinhuan: oooooooh |
| 19:18.08 | Cide | Shirik: so looking at try 5, you wipe after 6 minutes 15 seconds |
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| 19:18.25 | Adys | look, as soon as we start talking about penises, Bibi` joins |
| 19:18.43 | Cide | and you took 6 hits from corrupting crash and 5 from depravity |
| 19:18.46 | Shirik | me? |
| 19:18.53 | Cide | no, your raid |
| 19:18.55 | Shirik | oh |
| 19:18.58 | Shirik | I was like "I'm usually at 0" |
| 19:19.04 | Shirik | Yes I told you they are bad |
| 19:19.18 | Cide | so you had bidogau, tellura, brandewyn, dragonie, aisaka and you take hits from either one |
| 19:19.30 | Shirik | huh? |
| 19:19.35 | Cide | http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-ptmrilfmuzaxqwj9/details/45/?s=3763&e=4138 |
| 19:19.47 | Cide | corrupting adherent did non-melee damage to you |
| 19:19.49 | Maldivia | Adys: if it's the FoV, the the A-V sync is around 5.7 sec |
| 19:20.10 | Adys | Maldivia: thebox's are originals |
| 19:20.19 | Adys | by hannibal |
| 19:20.25 | Maldivia | k |
| 19:20.29 | bluspacecow | http://www.digtriad.com/news/watercooler/article/178031/176/Florida-Homeowner-Forecloses-On-Bank-Of-America |
| 19:20.40 | bluspacecow | hahaha nice .|. bank of america |
| 19:20.42 | Cide | I don't get how your DK can't interrupt every depravity though |
| 19:21.38 | Shirik | because he's a dumbass |
| 19:21.42 | Shirik | how many times do I have to say this |
| 19:22.10 | bluspacecow | i'm too sexy for a 60 second orgasm ? |
| 19:22.16 | Cide | in any case you transition into phase 2 at about 4 minutes in and you wipe about 2 minutes later |
| 19:22.54 | Maldivia | Adys: this is going to be GOOOOD!! |
| 19:23.17 | DWSR | Cide: Is the DK tanking? |
| 19:23.22 | Cide | yes |
| 19:23.26 | DWSR | I know how. |
| 19:23.27 | DWSR | He's bad. |
| 19:23.32 | DWSR | And doesn't know the depravity timing. |
| 19:23.42 | Adys | Maldivia: so i heard |
| 19:23.42 | DWSR | Then runs away from the mob while it's casting, and can't get back into melee range to interrupt. |
| 19:23.42 | Adys | and |
| 19:23.45 | Adys | im not watching yet |
| 19:23.49 | DWSR | I've done that a few times. |
| 19:23.50 | Adys | just dling, will watch tonight :P |
| 19:24.01 | Cide | so you transition into p2 at local time ~22:05:40 and your first person dies 22:05:59 |
| 19:24.06 | Xinhuan | http://xkcd.com/903/ |
| 19:24.12 | Cide | Lafial |
| 19:24.13 | Xinhuan | their alt-text caught on shirik |
| 19:24.32 | Shirik | yeah I forget what happened there |
| 19:25.02 | Cide | yet lafial took no damage from slimes or depravity/corrupting crash |
| 19:25.07 | Cide | and you say it was't healing? :P |
| 19:25.14 | Shirik | Xinhuan: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Shirik&diff=430790468&oldid=425714422 |
| 19:25.21 | Shirik | Cide: there was a reason I forget |
| 19:25.24 | Xinhuan | i saw that one already |
| 19:25.37 | Shirik | yeah randall was a little slow on this |
| 19:25.49 | DWSR | Shirik: Add control in P2 will kill you, no matter how little corruption you have, if poor. |
| 19:25.49 | Xinhuan | someone probably alerted him |
| 19:25.53 | Adys | Xinhuan: that xkcd makes me laugh |
| 19:26.02 | Adys | Xinhuan: given that that guy's apparent IQ is around 40-50 |
| 19:26.15 | Adys | I fear for munroe if it drops by only 30 pts. |
| 19:26.19 | Shirik | "what is a car?" |
| 19:26.28 | Adys | no |
| 19:26.31 | Adys | "what is a car??" |
| 19:26.34 | Adys | big difference |
| 19:26.44 | Adys | the extra questionmark is about 20iq difference |
| 19:27.55 | Cide | try 4, lafial dies at 21:53:02 and took one hit from corrupting crash (10 corruption) and you transitioned into P2 at about 21:52:40 |
| 19:28.14 | Cide | so once again your tank (?) dies about 20 seconds into p2 with barely any corruption |
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| 19:28.52 | Shirik | will have to look at this |
| 19:29.10 | DWSR | Cide: You don't know how much corruption they have. |
| 19:29.18 | DWSR | Just how much they take from Corrupting Crash/Depravity. |
| 19:29.22 | Cide | and from the slimes |
| 19:29.29 | Cide | what other source of corruption do you think there is? |
| 19:29.38 | DWSR | You didn't mention you were looking at that. |
| 19:29.44 | DWSR | I was just pointing it out. |
| 19:29.51 | DWSR | And there used to be fire. |
| 19:29.54 | Cide | I didn't mention it because there was no damage |
| 19:29.55 | DWSR | But they took that uot. :-( |
| 19:30.04 | Cide | fire is in but doesn't give corruption afaik |
| 19:31.09 | Cide | try 3 lafial dies at 21:35:01, taking one depravity for 10 corruption, but you don't enter P2 until ~21:37:40 |
| 19:31.34 | Cide | so even if your dps fails your tank(?) dies with barely any corruption |
| 19:31.39 | DWSR | Cide: Yeah, that's what I meant. |
| 19:31.53 | Shirik | what do the adds cause |
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| 19:32.03 | Cide | 2 corruption per hit |
| 19:32.09 | Shirik | is it just melee hit? |
| 19:32.12 | Shirik | I don't think so |
| 19:32.20 | Cide | hm? |
| 19:32.25 | Shirik | how would it show in the logs |
| 19:32.52 | Cide | you can count his corruption by checking the damage taken |
| 19:33.09 | DWSR | Shirik: You can check power gains. |
| 19:33.12 | Cide | if there are hits from corrupting adherent you can check what spells (depravity/corrupting crash) |
| 19:33.18 | DWSR | It should be powerType 10 |
| 19:33.22 | DWSR | Use the expression editor. |
| 19:33.23 | Shirik | bad Cide |
| 19:33.26 | Shirik | I said slimes |
| 19:33.28 | Cide | if there are hits from the slimes (can't remember what they are called) |
| 19:33.33 | DWSR | Blood of the Old God |
| 19:33.34 | Cide | you'd have 2 corruption per melee hit |
| 19:33.35 | Shirik | that's what I was asking the whole time |
| 19:33.36 | Cide | there you go |
| 19:33.38 | Shirik | omg |
| 19:33.47 | Cide | I didn't understand your question silly |
| 19:34.19 | DWSR | Do Atra's sonar pulse rings cause damage? |
| 19:34.22 | DWSR | Or only give sound? |
| 19:34.29 | Cide | both, I'm pretty sure |
| 19:34.44 | Cide | Shirik: is lafial your tank? |
| 19:34.44 | Xinhuan | bibi, scan.dll is just the "warden" for wow, i don't think the new strings have anything to do with a 64-bit wow, but rather a 64-bit version of warden |
| 19:34.53 | Shirik | a tank yes |
| 19:35.19 | Shirik | it's not melee hits that cause the 2 corruption is it? |
| 19:35.24 | Maldivia | Xinhuan: well, you kind of need a 64-bit app to take advantance of a 64-bit dll |
| 19:35.33 | Cide | melee hits from bloods of the old god, yes |
| 19:35.40 | Shirik | how do I get corruption from them then |
| 19:35.40 | Alram | Adys, River song dies |
| 19:35.43 | Alram | owned |
| 19:35.46 | Cide | hm? |
| 19:35.50 | Xinhuan | hmmm |
| 19:35.54 | Cide | who said you did? |
| 19:35.54 | Arrowmaster | and you probably need a 64bit warden to be able to detect stuff on a 64bit OS |
| 19:35.56 | Shirik | I do |
| 19:36.03 | Shirik | when we suck at adds |
| 19:36.15 | Arrowmaster | still no doctor who? |
| 19:36.16 | Cide | healers get healer aggro really quickly |
| 19:36.29 | Xinhuan | well i just think mmo's news guess here might be a bit jumping too far ahead |
| 19:36.30 | Shirik | dr. who is evil |
| 19:36.30 | Maldivia | Alram: and river song died in the very first episode she appeared |
| 19:36.38 | Shirik | that's how the series will end |
| 19:36.39 | Cide | usually on the loose adds that don't get slowed |
| 19:36.43 | Alram | no she was merely absorbed by the computer Maldivia |
| 19:36.54 | Maldivia | her physical form dies |
| 19:37.00 | Cide | Shirik: accomodation figured out yet? |
| 19:37.05 | Shirik | no :( |
| 19:37.09 | Cide | HURRY UP |
| 19:37.12 | Cide | slacker |
| 19:37.55 | Cide | so 21:34:53 lafial is at full health |
| 19:38.05 | Adys | Xinhuan: they've been testing 64bit client for ages |
| 19:38.15 | Adys | afaik one of the devs wanted the cataclysm client to be 64bit |
| 19:38.30 | Alram | everyone wanted it to be |
| 19:38.35 | Alram | and everyone was too lazy to make it be |
| 19:38.41 | Xinhuan | ok, but if the client is 64-bit, why would it need to ask itself if its 64-bits? |
| 19:38.59 | Alram | metacrisis client |
| 19:38.59 | cbreak | there are several situations |
| 19:39.12 | Cide | then we have :53 -10547, :54 -16324, :55 -20034, :57 -19102, :57 -37214, :59 -17600, :59 -37652, 35:00 +7741, :00 -13600 *death* |
| 19:39.14 | cbreak | usually when communicating with the outside or allocating memory |
| 19:39.32 | Cide | so over 7 seconds you have one heal for 7741 healing other than from healing stream totem |
| 19:39.34 | cbreak | and of course at compile time for various things |
| 19:39.36 | Cide | and then your tank dies |
| 19:39.44 | Shirik | ok |
| 19:39.54 | Shirik | so sounds like I need to yell at my paladin |
| 19:40.04 | Cide | or get another healer |
| 19:40.07 | bluspacecow | kk io go homes nows |
| 19:40.10 | Cide | we have killed him ~3-4 times with 2 healers |
| 19:40.16 | Shirik | no she should be on the tank constantly |
| 19:40.20 | Shirik | 7 seconds is insane |
| 19:40.22 | Xinhuan | don't mind me, but i don't really see why gluexml should be referencing a dll anyway |
| 19:40.22 | Cide | assuming she wasn't out of mana |
| 19:40.31 | Cide | and while it's doable with our level of gear it's still pretty rough |
| 19:40.40 | Cide | I'd take 3 healers over 2 any day even still |
| 19:40.49 | Shirik | dude we can barely do 3 adds |
| 19:40.51 | Cide | we have random tank deaths happen now and then with 2 healers still |
| 19:40.57 | Shirik | taking another away will mean we go to 4 |
| 19:41.03 | Cide | 4 is easy |
| 19:41.12 | Shirik | Let me break this down for you |
| 19:41.13 | Shirik | My |
| 19:41.14 | Shirik | DPS |
| 19:41.15 | Shirik | sucks |
| 19:41.31 | Shirik | They might even have the DPS to actually do it they just don't have the intelligence |
| 19:41.31 | Cide | well yeah |
| 19:41.39 | Cide | you have two hunters, a shaman and a dk on the adds |
| 19:41.50 | Cide | I don't know shaman dps but that sounds stupid |
| 19:41.57 | Cide | shaman aoe dps* |
| 19:42.06 | Shirik | Find me someone else and I would gladly fix it :) |
| 19:42.16 | Cide | we have 1-2 hunters, 1 mage, 1 shadow priest, 1 rogue |
| 19:42.23 | bluspacecow | kk i go homes nows |
| 19:42.24 | Shirik | we have 0 mages, 0 shadow priests |
| 19:42.28 | Shirik | occasionally we put the rogue on adds |
| 19:42.31 | Cide | shadow priests are awful |
| 19:42.32 | Cide | anyway |
| 19:42.35 | Cide | on the adds that is |
| 19:43.01 | DWSR | Cide: Shaman AoE DPS? |
| 19:43.04 | DWSR | It doesn't exist. |
| 19:43.06 | Shirik | lies |
| 19:43.09 | Shirik | they have that wave thing |
| 19:43.10 | Cide | thought so but we don't have a dps shaman |
| 19:43.20 | Shirik | and a totem |
| 19:43.23 | Cide | so your dpsers are two shamans, 1 rogue, 2 hunters, 1 dk |
| 19:43.26 | DWSR | Shirik: Ele shamans don't have AoE. Panquake is a joke. |
| 19:43.33 | Cide | but you only have 1 shaman on the adds and never the rogue |
| 19:43.34 | Shirik | oh panquake |
| 19:43.34 | DWSR | Just make your DK frost with chillblains. |
| 19:43.35 | Shirik | I forgot about that |
| 19:43.44 | Shirik | our DK is our tank |
| 19:43.47 | DWSR | rofl |
| 19:43.49 | Cide | bidogau? |
| 19:43.51 | Shirik | oh that one |
| 19:43.54 | Shirik | forgot about him |
| 19:43.58 | Cide | gj there raid leader |
| 19:44.01 | DWSR | Make him frost 2H |
| 19:44.04 | Cide | anyway |
| 19:44.05 | DWSR | And get him to get chillblains. |
| 19:44.07 | Shirik | he was gone for like 3 months |
| 19:44.09 | DWSR | He can solo the adds with HB. |
| 19:44.10 | Shirik | he recently came back |
| 19:44.21 | Cide | he can't solo the adds :P |
| 19:44.26 | Cide | anyway |
| 19:44.36 | Cide | we start off with 3 dps on the adds |
| 19:44.41 | DWSR | WHAT? |
| 19:44.42 | Cide | have one hunter get entrapment |
| 19:44.44 | DWSR | Overkill. |
| 19:44.48 | Cide | shrug |
| 19:44.52 | DWSR | We have a hunter solo the first set. |
| 19:44.54 | Shirik | entrapment |
| 19:44.54 | DWSR | No entrapment. |
| 19:44.56 | Cide | good for you |
| 19:45.09 | DWSR | Shirik: Frost trap roots instead of slows. |
| 19:45.11 | DWSR | well. |
| 19:45.13 | Shirik | I know what it is |
| 19:45.13 | DWSR | IN addition to. |
| 19:45.20 | Cide | I'm giving advice to someone who has problems with cho'gall, not someone with cho'gall on farm |
| 19:45.22 | Cide | anyway |
| 19:45.31 | Cide | you can start with 3 dps and add another dps each wave |
| 19:45.33 | DWSR | Cide: My point is that it can be done with less DPSon adds. |
| 19:45.39 | Cide | naturally |
| 19:45.39 | DWSR | since he said that DPS is an issue. |
| 19:45.47 | Cide | they get to p2 in ~4 minutes |
| 19:45.53 | Cide | the amount of dps is not the issue |
| 19:46.12 | Cide | but the rogue should definitely be on the adds starting at wave 2 if you have problems |
| 19:46.27 | Cide | just spam fan of knives and it'll proc instant and crippling poison |
| 19:46.31 | Cide | (as assassination naturally) |
| 19:46.59 | Cide | and your other shaman needs to join in, at the very least for the fourth set |
| 19:47.04 | DWSR | Shirik: You hitting P2 with the 4th add spawned or no? |
| 19:47.06 | DWSR | Sorry, had a net reset. |
| 19:47.17 | Cide | or drop that shaman and bring a healer |
| 19:47.22 | Cide | probably a healer |
| 19:47.28 | Shirik | depends on how we do it |
| 19:47.42 | Shirik | sometimes we go into P2 with the 3rd add spawned before fester |
| 19:47.50 | Cide | dragonie did less damage on cho'gall than your two tanks |
| 19:47.56 | Shirik | we've been going back and forth |
| 19:47.59 | Shirik | dragonie is a dumbass |
| 19:48.03 | DWSR | Cide: Link, to parse? |
| 19:48.06 | Cide | so drop him/her and bring a healer |
| 19:48.09 | DWSR | ^ |
| 19:48.11 | Cide | have your other hunter get entrapment |
| 19:48.23 | Cide | get your rogue over there starting with wave 2, and your shaman over there starting with wave 3 |
| 19:48.43 | DWSR | Shirik: It sounds like add control is what's killing you. |
| 19:48.51 | Cide | I don't think so |
| 19:48.51 | Shirik | I'm aware of that |
| 19:48.56 | Cide | it's healing |
| 19:49.03 | DWSR | Cide: Linkeh to parse. |
| 19:49.08 | Cide | but they need a better strategy for adds if they are to do it with one less dps |
| 19:49.13 | Cide | since they'll get another add |
| 19:49.26 | Cide | keep 2 healers on cho'gall and you do all the aoe healing and interrupting the people while adds and slimes are killed |
| 19:49.32 | Xinhuan | its probably a combination of all of those problems |
| 19:49.33 | Cide | with chastise and glyphed fear |
| 19:49.42 | Cide | http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-ptmrilfmuzaxqwj9/?s=2013&e=2441 |
| 19:49.55 | DWSR | Xinhuan: YEah, Cho'gall requires pretty good execution, more than anything else. |
| 19:50.02 | DWSR | I succesfully tanked it in mostly blues. |
| 19:50.35 | Xinhuan | think my guild killed it in 2 hours back in january |
| 19:50.54 | Adys | alright |
| 19:50.54 | Adys | fuck it |
| 19:51.01 | Adys | im watching DW before anyone spoils it |
| 19:51.08 | Ackis | DW? |
| 19:51.40 | Cide | DWSR: I can one-up you, sec |
| 19:52.33 | DWSR | Cide: The graph's not showing up for some reason for healing. |
| 19:52.35 | DWSR | Herm. |
| 19:52.41 | nevcairiel | Adys: stupid 720p FoV release is out of sync |
| 19:52.46 | Cide | looking at that is fairly pointless |
| 19:52.54 | Cide | it's better to figure out what caused the deaths |
| 19:52.58 | Adys | nevcairiel: Maldivia told me yeah. get this one: http://thebox.bz/details.php?id=160320 |
| 19:52.58 | foxlit | Adys: Snape kills the Doctor with a ray gun |
| 19:53.03 | Adys | foxlit: FUUUUUUUUUUUUU- |
| 19:53.04 | Cide | like 7 seconds of tanking cho'gall with one 7741 heal |
| 19:53.16 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: 5.7 sec the first 7 minutes or so |
| 19:53.18 | DWSR | Cide: Healing done gives a general picture. |
| 19:53.35 | nevcairiel | well a proper is out, so i'm waiting the 10 minutes until thats done |
| 19:53.49 | DWSR | If HPS is low, then general lack of healing is killing the raid. If it's high and there's still deaths, then you need to drill down further. |
| 19:54.00 | Shirik | apparently this is why the tank dies so early Cide: |
| 19:54.03 | Shirik | abeggy: |
| 19:54.03 | Shirik | He gets jumpy and immediatly begins to move cho glal when he feels like it.... and he gets out of range of cake or you and then you have to adjust and recast |
| 19:54.11 | Cide | wait what? |
| 19:54.13 | DWSR | On a side not, your DK tank outheals me. |
| 19:54.16 | DWSR | s/not/note/ |
| 19:54.26 | Cide | why is your healer not standing right next to the tank |
| 19:54.31 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 19:54.31 | Cide | at cho'galls back |
| 19:54.49 | Cide | also, 7 seconds? |
| 19:54.50 | Shirik | so we transition to P2 while an add is out |
| 19:54.59 | DWSR | Shirik: The add shouldn't be out long. |
| 19:54.59 | Cide | right |
| 19:55.03 | DWSR | And also. |
| 19:55.08 | DWSR | He doesn't need to be spread THAT far. |
| 19:55.10 | Shirik | so we aren't all in the same place |
| 19:55.19 | Cide | the 7 seconds deal was minutes before the P2 transition fyi |
| 19:55.27 | Cide | and for the add that you let live you just need a tank over there |
| 19:55.27 | Shirik | oh then that was just wrong |
| 19:55.32 | Shirik | that's not what we were talking about |
| 19:55.40 | Cide | and you to heal him every ~5 seconds or so |
| 19:55.44 | Cide | the adds do barely any damage |
| 19:55.44 | Shirik | if the tank died before P2 something else was just screwed up |
| 19:55.54 | Cide | regardless |
| 19:56.01 | Cide | the other two tries I looked at the tank died in P2 |
| 19:56.07 | Shirik | yes |
| 19:56.08 | Cide | there should be no reason ever for out of range issues in P2 |
| 19:56.11 | Shirik | that I know is a problem |
| 19:56.20 | Shirik | during the transition? |
| 19:56.30 | Cide | that'd be the healer's screwup too |
| 19:56.31 | DWSR | Tanks are the druid and Zaryk? |
| 19:56.36 | Shirik | yes |
| 19:56.39 | DWSR | Yeah. |
| 19:56.44 | DWSR | Healers should never have range issues. |
| 19:56.44 | Cide | we tank him about 15 yards away from the wall usually |
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| 19:56.52 | Shirik | so about that |
| 19:56.59 | Shirik | we seem to be incapable of moving to the wall before the actual transition |
| 19:57.08 | DWSR | Shirik: The wall trick is unneccessary. |
| 19:57.13 | Cide | not really |
| 19:57.14 | Shirik | I agree, but not the point |
| 19:57.17 | Cide | it makes it easier |
| 19:57.22 | Shirik | my point is that he's moving throughout that time |
| 19:57.24 | DWSR | Cide: My guild found that it made it harder. |
| 19:57.29 | Cide | during the p2 transition even if the tank blinked 15 yards the healer should have 25 yards range |
| 19:57.33 | DWSR | Cide: But to each their own. |
| 19:57.39 | Cide | there is no reason for the tank healer to ever move away from cho'galls back |
| 19:57.39 | Shirik | mage tank ftw |
| 19:57.42 | Shirik | um |
| 19:57.53 | Shirik | ok well I can't speak to that |
| 19:58.01 | DWSR | Shirik: DK tank, actually. Dark Simulacrum a mage. |
| 19:58.02 | Shirik | I don't watch people like a hawk |
| 19:58.02 | DWSR | Blink. |
| 19:58.03 | DWSR | Win |
| 19:58.09 | Cide | don't you stand in there when no adds are up? |
| 19:58.14 | Shirik | yes |
| 19:58.17 | Cide | so then you know |
| 19:58.19 | Shirik | but we don't transition when no adds are up |
| 19:58.29 | Cide | the only thing you may have to do is sidestep a crash |
| 19:58.38 | Cide | and that takes you like 10 yards at most |
| 19:58.40 | Shirik | there are two reasons I run out |
| 19:58.48 | Cide | by "you" I mean your tank healer |
| 19:58.49 | Shirik | one is because our DK tank is standing in the puddle |
| 19:58.51 | Shirik | oh |
| 19:58.58 | Shirik | ok then yes |
| 19:58.59 | Cide | you should run out to heal the raid and your add tank |
| 19:59.13 | Cide | since most dps will be on the add and then the slimes |
| 19:59.15 | Shirik | that is supposed to be what happens |
| 19:59.19 | Shirik | I can't speak to what's actually happening |
| 19:59.40 | Cide | regardless of what people are doing, the lack of tank healing is definitely the issue if you ask me |
| 20:00.01 | Cide | be it lack of gear (mana), bad positioning (skill) or throughput (people) |
| 20:00.09 | DWSR | It has to be people. |
| 20:00.18 | DWSR | I'm looking through armories. |
| 20:00.19 | DWSR | They have the gear. |
| 20:00.26 | Cide | to two heal? |
| 20:00.30 | DWSR | And this boss is doable in blues (not easily, but that's where the gear line is). |
| 20:00.38 | DWSR | Cide: People 3 heal it? |
| 20:00.48 | Cide | we certainly do and did |
| 20:00.52 | Cide | it's much easier |
| 20:01.00 | Cide | two healers leads to tank deaths too easily |
| 20:01.13 | DWSR | Shirik: Is your DK tank tanking the adds or Cho? |
| 20:01.13 | Cide | but certainly both are possible |
| 20:01.18 | Shirik | adds |
| 20:01.23 | DWSR | You shouldn't need to heal him. |
| 20:01.24 | DWSR | Seriously. |
| 20:01.28 | Shirik | I generally don't |
| 20:01.33 | Shirik | every so often he does something stupid like stand in a puddle |
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| 20:01.40 | DWSR | Then you have a people problem. |
| 20:01.45 | Shirik | I am well aware of that |
| 20:01.59 | DWSR | Cide: I'll agree with the tank healing. |
| 20:02.08 | DWSR | But I think that they have the gear to 2heal. |
| 20:02.57 | DWSR | Shirik: btw, our first kill we didn't use the wall method. |
| 20:03.03 | DWSR | We just sat Cho right in the center of the room. |
| 20:03.19 | DWSR | If you're having trouble with the tank moving, just try tanking him centrally. |
| 20:03.34 | DWSR | It's a suggestion, but we found that it made things easier, not harder. |
| 20:03.40 | DWSR | But then again, we're ranged heavy like a mofo. |
| 20:03.48 | DWSR | Like, I think we have 1 melee. |
| 20:03.48 | nevcairiel | wasnt he really one of the easier bosses in that place |
| 20:04.01 | DWSR | nevcairiel: BoT << BWD in terms of difficulty. |
| 20:04.02 | DWSR | Honestly. |
| 20:05.06 | DWSR | So, my suggestion is probably the same as Cide for the most part. |
| 20:05.09 | DWSR | Drop the scrub shaman. |
| 20:05.11 | DWSR | Get another healer. |
| 20:05.12 | DWSR | ??? |
| 20:05.14 | DWSR | Profit. |
| 20:05.19 | Shirik | so there's a problem with that |
| 20:05.29 | DWSR | The 2nd step? |
| 20:05.31 | Shirik | scrub shaman (and I do agree with "scrub") is another raid leader |
| 20:05.31 | DWSR | Yeah, I know. |
| 20:05.31 | nevcairiel | he is the guild leader? :p |
| 20:05.45 | DWSR | O.o |
| 20:05.49 | DWSR | ERr. |
| 20:05.51 | nevcairiel | can still tell him that he sucks |
| 20:05.55 | DWSR | ^ |
| 20:06.05 | Shirik | I do all the time |
| 20:06.05 | Shirik | he comes up with random excuses |
| 20:06.05 | nevcairiel | maybe the raid leading improves when he is replaced, too! |
| 20:06.05 | DWSR | Who's the GL? |
| 20:06.07 | Shirik | um |
| 20:06.10 | Shirik | either Navok or Nav |
| 20:06.15 | Shirik | I forget who was in the one I linked you |
| 20:06.19 | DWSR | he in that group? |
| 20:06.21 | DWSR | I closed the prase. |
| 20:06.23 | DWSR | parse* |
| 20:06.26 | Shirik | Warrior or rogue |
| 20:06.31 | DWSR | ah |
| 20:06.43 | Shirik | only one of both so either way it was him |
| 20:06.56 | DWSR | Is progression important to your GL? |
| 20:06.59 | DWSR | Or is this guild casual? |
| 20:07.12 | DWSR | Because if the answer is yes, tell your GL to boot the scrub shaman and find another healer or DPS. |
| 20:07.29 | DWSR | Shouldn't be a hard sell, to be honest. |
| 20:08.02 | DWSR | Especially when you can point to logs and go "person X sucks, here's why, here's numbers to back up my claim" |
| 20:08.13 | nevcairiel | if they're doing cho now, progression cant be important. :p |
| 20:08.23 | DWSR | nevcairiel: Could be a late start guild. |
| 20:08.36 | DWSR | Progression is measured relative to your own level of farmable content. |
| 20:08.55 | DWSR | My guild is only 1/13H, progression is still important to us. |
| 20:09.00 | DWSR | I realize that we suck./ |
| 20:09.06 | DWSR | But we're working on clearing heroics. |
| 20:09.11 | DWSR | That, to us, is progression. |
| 20:10.09 | Cide | Shirik: what nights do you raid? |
| 20:10.21 | Shirik | MTTHF |
| 20:10.36 | DWSR | Shirik: You're EU, right? |
| 20:10.39 | Cide | ... |
| 20:10.40 | Shirik | WHAT |
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| 20:10.43 | Cide | owned |
| 20:10.43 | Shirik | go die |
| 20:10.44 | DWSR | lol |
| 20:10.52 | DWSR | Sorry. |
| 20:10.55 | Cide | do I have to transfer my druid to your server? |
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| 20:11.01 | Shirik | yes |
| 20:11.33 | Cide | I'd need to run a few heroics first |
| 20:11.41 | Cide | and what are your raid times |
| 20:12.25 | Xinhuan | lol... |
| 20:12.32 | Shirik | 7-9 pacific, but seriously I was kidding :) |
| 20:12.37 | Shirik | you have your own raid |
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| 20:16.53 | Cide | indeed |
| 20:17.01 | Cide | but it's obvious you need some serious help |
| 20:17.11 | Cide | and the druid is my alt and we don't raid tuesdays or fridays |
| 20:17.30 | Cide | wtf two hour raids? |
| 20:18.17 | Shirik | yes |
| 20:18.22 | Shirik | it's sufficient |
| 20:18.33 | Cide | if you say so! |
| 20:18.59 | Shirik | we can clear BWD in one night, get to chogall the second night, and then spend the other two nights working on him |
| 20:19.07 | Cide | so is it 7 pst or pdt? |
| 20:19.18 | Shirik | pdt |
| 20:19.47 | Cide | that's not so bad |
| 20:20.15 | Klrth | 2 hours raids are fine, if people are ready to zone in at 7:00 and not 5-10-15 minutes after |
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| 20:20.34 | Shirik | I am very strict about that |
| 20:20.44 | Shirik | we pull at 7 |
| 20:20.47 | Shirik | not zone in |
| 20:20.54 | Klrth | even better |
| 20:21.13 | Klrth | so in reality you got a 2:30 hour raid, comparing with other guilds at least :) |
| 20:23.02 | Cide | and what realm is this? |
| 20:25.47 | Ackis | omg dolby is in a gang |
| 20:26.16 | Nobgul | lol |
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| 20:30.37 | Shirik | hey DWSR |
| 20:30.45 | Shirik | Cide told me I should heal the slimes insteade of killing them |
| 20:31.19 | Cide | hey DWSR |
| 20:31.36 | Cide | Shirik remembers context worse than http servers |
| 20:31.50 | Shirik | context is irrelevant |
| 20:31.53 | Shirik | you said "heal the slimes" |
| 20:31.59 | Shirik | there is no situation in which that was appropriate |
| 20:32.20 | Cide | just wait until I become a raid encounter designer |
| 20:34.05 | Shirik | heh |
| 20:35.29 | Cide | also |
| 20:35.32 | Cide | you could always penance them |
| 20:36.17 | Shirik | what |
| 20:36.19 | Shirik | penance is evil |
| 20:36.25 | Cide | exactly |
| 20:42.47 | A-KO | http://www.amazon.com/Lord-Rings-Picture-Trilogy-Extended/dp/B0026L7H20/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1307220126&sr=8-1 < WTB |
| 20:47.44 | nebula169 | Number of discs: 15 lol |
| 20:48.35 | Maldivia | nebula169: 2 BR per movie, and 9 DVDs with extras |
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| 20:53.03 | Arrowmaster | its only more documentaries to go with it |
| 20:54.06 | Arrowmaster | and i dont need it since i already have these |
| 20:54.18 | Arrowmaster | The Lord of the Rings The Fellowship of the Ring 2001 1080p BluRay DTS x264-CtrlHD.mkv |
| 20:54.21 | Arrowmaster | The Lord of the Rings The Return of the King 2003 1080p BluRay DTS x264-CtrlHD.mkv |
| 20:54.25 | Arrowmaster | The Lord of the Rings The Two Towers 2002 1080p BluRay DTS x264-CtrlHD.mkv |
| 20:55.55 | Maldivia | Arrowmaster: that's not the extended editions of the movies |
| 20:56.03 | Adys | no offense to people buying dvds but dvds are absolutely stupid |
| 20:56.06 | Adys | 15 fucking discs for this |
| 20:56.27 | Maldivia | Adys: the movies are on BR, the extra material is on DVD |
| 20:56.51 | Adys | still |
| 20:57.05 | Maldivia | yeah, why not just combine the 9 DVDs into a single BR |
| 20:57.21 | Maldivia | or two |
| 20:58.33 | Maldivia | for a run down of each disc: http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=6045 |
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| 21:01.08 | Maldivia | the question is, will FotR be a better quality this time, than the non-extended version |
| 21:02.28 | nevcairiel | Arrowmaster: arent those the cinema cuts |
| 21:02.58 | nevcairiel | Maldivia: the article description on amazon.de at least says its a new scan of of FotR |
| 21:03.04 | nevcairiel | -of |
| 21:03.13 | Maldivia | good |
| 21:03.36 | Arrowmaster | they are 558 minutes long total |
| 21:03.52 | Arrowmaster | mine that is |
| 21:04.09 | Maldivia | extended is 683 minutes |
| 21:04.27 | Arrowmaster | yeah i guess those are original |
| 21:04.28 | nevcairiel | 725 does amazon claim here |
| 21:04.32 | Arrowmaster | i havent even watched them yet |
| 21:04.43 | Arrowmaster | guess ill replace them with extended cuts when i get the chance |
| 21:04.47 | nevcairiel | Those movies are worth buying |
| 21:05.27 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: hmm, the DVD set of extended was 683 minutes |
| 21:06.37 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: on amazon.com, it says: Run Time: 682 minutes |
| 21:07.03 | Adys | where is that minute gone |
| 21:07.06 | Adys | <DUN DUN DUNNNN> |
| 21:07.32 | nevcairiel | wikipedia also says 683, guess amazon.de might be wrong |
| 21:07.39 | Maldivia | hmm... |
| 21:07.44 | nevcairiel | and 558 for theatrical |
| 21:08.04 | nevcairiel | just 4 more weeks until the BDs come out. :) |
| 21:08.38 | Maldivia | ntsc<->pal is only 4% longer, that wouldn't be enough to go from 683 to 725 |
| 21:08.57 | Maldivia | hmm, and that is also the other way around :P |
| 21:09.00 | nevcairiel | also, ntsc would be longer |
| 21:09.04 | nevcairiel | hehe |
| 21:09.15 | nevcairiel | and it doesnt apply to BDs anymore either |
| 21:12.27 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: amazon.de is very inconsistant... the one with the faux ring is 725, the one without is 716 minutes :) |
| 21:12.34 | nevcairiel | someone explain to me again why tv series have summer breaks |
| 21:12.42 | nevcairiel | 716 would be closer to the 4% extra |
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| 21:13.15 | nevcairiel | also, wth do i watch until all the series resume |
| 21:13.20 | Thunder_Child | nevcairiel: because people dont want to work all the time? |
| 21:13.58 | nevcairiel | then have at least two sets of good series, and not the void of nothingness |
| 21:14.03 | nevcairiel | which is probably filled with reruns |
| 21:14.05 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: because there are less viewers, so the advertisers don't want to pay as much, so the networks don't want to run expensive shows |
| 21:14.36 | Maldivia | summer time is cable time! |
| 21:15.43 | nevcairiel | so i need to rewatch some show now to keep me busy? |
| 21:15.50 | nevcairiel | maybe i should watch the DW classics. :p |
| 21:16.19 | Maldivia | Torchwood!! true blood, breaking bad, white collar, etc etc |
| 21:16.30 | Maldivia | plenty of good shows over the summer :) |
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| 21:18.25 | Maldivia | ohh, and 2nd half of futurama |
| 21:18.28 | Maldivia | season 6 |
| 21:19.41 | nevcairiel | neat, torchwood is available on BD already, no TV rips with silly ads all the time |
| 21:19.51 | nevcairiel | although i have to admit, BBC doesnt really do the ad things |
| 21:20.07 | nevcairiel | some US channels always have some kind of small banner occasionally at the botom |
| 21:20.24 | Maldivia | *cough* syfy *cough* |
| 21:21.16 | Maldivia | ohh, and I kind of want to check out Wilfred when it debuts later this month |
| 21:21.37 | nevcairiel | torchwood s3 was only 5 eps? |
| 21:21.39 | nevcairiel | seems rather odd |
| 21:21.41 | Maldivia | yeah |
| 21:21.44 | Maldivia | one week |
| 21:22.19 | Maldivia | one story over 5 days |
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| 21:27.21 | nevcairiel | wasnt warehouse 13 a summer series? |
| 21:27.39 | Maldivia | yeah, returns suly 11th |
| 21:27.42 | Maldivia | july* |
| 21:27.55 | nevcairiel | so a month of nothingness |
| 21:28.00 | Kalroth | Airs: 07/11/11 |
| 21:28.21 | nevcairiel | I also heard they kicked out Myka |
| 21:48.09 | Arrowmaster | i so called the doctor who ending |
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| 21:55.36 | Maldivia | Arrowmaster: everyone did |
| 22:01.45 | Fisker | nevcairiel |
| 22:01.52 | Fisker | do you produce magnificant amounts of lactic fluid? |
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| 22:07.55 | Arrowmaster | eureka and haven both coming back in july too |
| 22:12.39 | Adys | nevcairiel: wh13 really sucked :/ |
| 22:12.49 | Adys | also, torchwood 3 was nice |
| 22:13.04 | Adys | it could do without the whole "losing whats left of the team" |
| 22:13.18 | Adys | ugh at killing off everyone in 6 episodes |
| 22:13.49 | Maldivia | Adys: haven't you heard? ianto's back... |
| 22:13.59 | Adys | ? |
| 22:14.16 | Adys | and doesnt matter even if he were, i miss gwen and tosh |
| 22:14.22 | Adys | owen* |
| 22:14.40 | Adys | especially owen, wtf did they do to ruin him so bad |
| 22:15.39 | Maldivia | Adys: here you go: http://www.facebook.com/GDLLive/posts/10150207854216806 |
| 22:15.57 | Adys | lol |
| 22:15.58 | Adys | lame |
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| 22:32.12 | Fisker | So iOS never supported app updates over the air? |
| 22:32.31 | cbreak | sure does. |
| 22:32.35 | cbreak | since ages. |
| 22:32.48 | cbreak | but not OS updates |
| 22:32.58 | A-KO | it doesn't sync to your pc over air, it syncs over air to the app store |
| 22:33.21 | foxlit | Those OS updates are like 600MB |
| 22:33.28 | foxlit | CRAZY. |
| 22:33.30 | Fisker | qq moar |
| 22:33.33 | Fisker | not talking about those anyway |
| 22:33.42 | Fisker | http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2011/06/appupdates1-500x106.jpg <- |
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| 22:45.59 | Ackis | I'm evil :( |
| 22:46.42 | Fisker | hey Ackis |
| 22:46.47 | Fisker | do you read error reports btw? |
| 22:47.05 | Ackis | no |
| 22:47.17 | Ackis | I'm listening to cockpit voice recordings of planes that have crashed |
| 22:47.20 | Fisker | then you do not know true evil |
| 22:47.35 | Fisker | go listen to that there cosgrove thingy Ackis |
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| 22:50.01 | Ackis | huh? |
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| 22:55.02 | karl_w_w | Jamash! Your ideas intrigue me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter! |
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| 22:55.40 | foxlit | Hm, MLG |
| 22:55.53 | foxlit | why is there a supply depot at the base of every ramp? |
| 22:57.29 | Dagmar | Becuase it really sets off the sparkle in their turrets |
| 22:58.04 | Arrowmaster | i would guess slightly larger view range? |
| 22:58.26 | foxlit | /every/ ramp |
| 22:58.56 | foxlit | "A building blocker has been added to the ramps of each of the starred maps, at each ramp closest to the main's natural expansion. This blocker prevents the ramp from being blocked by the current standard amount of buildings (e.g., three pylons, two bunkers, etc.)." |
| 22:59.04 | foxlit | "Building Blockers have been replaced with Neutral Lowered Supply Depots on all Maps" |
| 22:59.22 | foxlit | which answers the what, but not the why |
| 22:59.51 | Jamash | karl_w_w: uh what |
| 23:01.35 | karl_w_w | Jamash: re: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2592856493?page=1 |
| 23:01.36 | Arrowmaster | foxlit: what was the building blocker before? |
| 23:01.52 | Jamash | ah yes, thanks |
| 23:02.16 | foxlit | I think it was previously just a map layer that prevented building |
| 23:02.29 | Jamash | brb going from one place to another |
| 23:03.01 | Arrowmaster | and the neutral supply depot always stays neutral? can it be destroyed? |
| 23:03.10 | Dezzimal | untargetable |
| 23:03.48 | Fisker | i like that foxlit |
| 23:03.53 | Fisker | it's like cod: black ops |
| 23:03.57 | Arrowmaster | my only guess is maybe they did it so you could see the block instead of not knowing its exact position until you try to build on it? |
| 23:03.59 | Fisker | "Hey no whiners here, pros only" |
| 23:04.05 | Fisker | uses a specific weapon |
| 23:04.11 | Fisker | *kicked* |
| 23:04.13 | Fisker | oh |
| 23:04.17 | Xinhuan | Arrowmaster, they can be destroyed |
| 23:04.19 | Fisker | joins a new server |
| 23:04.24 | Arrowmaster | Fisker: what exactly where you using? |
| 23:04.28 | Fisker | use one of the standard loadouts you can't change |
| 23:04.30 | Xinhuan | and they cannot be claimed |
| 23:04.31 | Fisker | proc a perk |
| 23:04.33 | Fisker | *kicked* |
| 23:04.44 | Fisker | Arrowmaster the LAW |
| 23:04.58 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 23:05.12 | Fisker | and i got kicked from other servers because of the "second chance" perk |
| 23:05.26 | Fisker | where basically you lie on the floor with a pistol and can shoot |
| 23:05.33 | Fisker | i guess until someone actually bothers to kill you |
| 23:05.47 | Arrowmaster | in MW2 it was timed |
| 23:05.56 | Fisker | idk |
| 23:06.00 | Arrowmaster | and nobody considered that perk overpowered |
| 23:06.08 | Fisker | i never got a chance to use it |
| 23:06.17 | Fisker | apparently the pros don't think it's pro enough |
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| 23:06.45 | Arrowmaster | although in TDM if you had the pro version you could cheat people out of kills by suiciding with nades |
| 23:07.25 | Fisker | and massive amounts of fuck were given |
| 23:07.29 | Fisker | anyway game sucked |
| 23:07.33 | Arrowmaster | im guessing the whinners on that server just didnt like that people can steal kills with last stand |
| 23:07.38 | Fisker | also need to find my screenshot from yesterday |
| 23:08.00 | Arrowmaster | yeah i never got the game because i got tired of all the whinning bitches in mw2 |
| 23:11.05 | Fisker | http://i.imgur.com/Fsynf.jpg |
| 23:11.06 | Fisker | bam |
| 23:13.39 | Fisker | hide |
| 23:14.58 | Shirik | Cairenn is going to get you Fisker |
| 23:16.19 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 23:16.19 | foxlit | lame, the MLG maps on EU are outdated |
| 23:16.28 | Fisker | fix things for me on wikipedia |
| 23:16.42 | Shirik | no ty |
| 23:17.23 | Fisker | then die |
| 23:17.56 | Shirik | no ty |
| 23:18.52 | Fisker | why won't you help a Fisker? |
| 23:24.49 | Dagmar | This thing on MMO is a joke, right? |
| 23:25.51 | Dagmar | Thank god the frozen screenie for the video isn't what it looks like |
| 23:28.54 | Gnarfoz | yeah, it's a joke, Bibi` is a 3d modeler in reality and just created that to fuck with you |
| 23:31.03 | Dagmar | It doesn't help that the image is of the belf and the coloring got screwed up somehow so he looks like some kind of freaking flamenco dancer from Fire Island |
| 23:31.54 | Dagmar | YouTube's image grabber leaves much to be desired |
| 23:37.40 | Shirik | Fisker, why won't you help me kill cho'gall |
| 23:38.08 | Fisker | because Shirik |
| 23:38.10 | Fisker | i just came |
| 23:38.21 | Fisker | looks like LG is interested in CyanogenMod |
| 23:39.10 | Fisker | haha wtf Dagmar |
| 23:39.17 | Fisker | is the new hunter set called piratestalker? |
| 23:39.35 | Fisker | oh |
| 23:39.41 | Fisker | it's a flamewaker with an eyepatch |
| 23:39.42 | Fisker | hilarious |
| 23:40.14 | Fisker | anyway |
| 23:40.19 | Fisker | giev 64-bit wow |
| 23:41.08 | Shirik | giev 128-bit wow |
| 23:41.36 | Gnarfoz | gonna change nothing |
| 23:41.42 | Ackis | wow is too mainschool, I was playing it back when it was 2 bit |
| 23:42.01 | Ycarene | I know there's no real advantage to blizzard for it, but it'd be nice if they made a linux version. |
| 23:42.04 | Shirik | isDead = true; |
| 23:42.21 | Shirik | 1 bit wow |
| 23:42.42 | foxlit | Ycarene: what's a linux? |
| 23:42.52 | Ycarene | Of course wow on a tablet is more likely. |
| 23:43.27 | Ycarene | foxlit - a linux version? |
| 23:43.34 | foxlit | no, a linux. |
| 23:43.58 | foxlit | My carefully hidden point is that there's no uniform standard for what "a linux version" should work on. |
| 23:44.15 | Gnarfoz | they don't need to make it, just publish it, they already have one |
| 23:44.15 | Gnarfoz | (or had, not sure if they kept it up to date over the years) |
| 23:44.38 | foxlit | I mean, you can clearly market something as "works on Windows 7" |
| 23:44.44 | foxlit | "Works on Linux"? Not so much. |
| 23:44.57 | Ycarene | Most of the linux distributions use the same toolsets for the parts of the os that wow would use. |
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| 23:45.30 | Ycarene | The only real issue is audio |
| 23:45.58 | Ycarene | But both pulse and alsa offer oss emulation, and ossv4 is superior to both. |
| 23:47.10 | Ycarene | But like I said, it'd be a pipe dream anyway. |
| 23:47.35 | Dagmar | "Our software only works on one platform" has always been of benefit to sales figures |
| 23:47.58 | Gnarfoz | that's why wow is doomed, it works on two |
| 23:48.55 | Arrowmaster | Ycarene: theres openal |
| 23:53.08 | Ycarene | Yeah, but I think just writing an OSS driver since its better documented and is standard across all *nix's not just linux |
| 23:53.51 | Ycarene | Besides, in linux openal sits on top of oss/alsa anyway. |
| 23:54.17 | foxlit | apparently, something to do with zerg. |
| 23:54.30 | foxlit | silly hatchery-before-pool tactics :( |
| 23:56.12 | Arrowmaster | Ycarene: the OSS wrappers arent very good though |
| 23:56.53 | Ycarene | Well, they could go they same route that they did with the graphics api, give a dropdown with oss/alsa/pulse/jack/openal and such. |
| 23:59.11 | Ycarene | But the userbase is such that blizzard is unlikely to take that route anyway. |
