| 00:01.46 | Kraps | now i remember why i left ##politics |
| 00:01.51 | karl_w_w | i like how shitty is censored on the forums, and crappy isn't |
| 00:02.21 | Kraps | fucking loons seeing conspiracy under every rock |
| 00:04.55 | Kraps | EA week on steam, the DA franchise today http://store.steampowered.com/ |
| 00:10.07 | Stanzilla | Portals to each of the capital cities have returned to Dalaran and Shattrath City. |
| 00:10.08 | Stanzilla | lol |
| 00:13.02 | Wa | srsly!? |
| 00:13.13 | Wa | less lag in SW? :D |
| 00:14.08 | Lunessa | This... is ... BRILLIANT: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2011/5/2/ |
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| 00:20.10 | bleeter | tekkub: who told you... to shave off your beard? |
| 00:25.58 | tekkub | I had to once for a job |
| 00:26.00 | tekkub | I hated it |
| 00:26.05 | tekkub | I look like I'm like 20 |
| 00:26.17 | tekkub | it's like beardless Riker vs beardyhead Riker |
| 00:26.55 | DWSR | lol |
| 00:26.59 | DWSR | RIKER SEX BEARD |
| 00:27.07 | DWSR | Also |
| 00:27.17 | DWSR | Has anyone noticed that Joe Biden looks like Walter from Jeff Dunham's work?\ |
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| 00:31.01 | bleeter | Cairenn|afk: Who told you to shave off your beard? http://youtu.be/xI1rKORTVDs |
| 00:31.05 | bleeter | trolololol |
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| 01:11.46 | DWSR | Fisker |
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| 01:26.43 | DWSR | http://i.imgur.com/KDssc.jpg <-- I lolled. |
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| 02:12.40 | Thunder_Child | i'm glad FF made a keyboard shortcut to bypass the 'open tab' option but i wish they made it more user friendly |
| 02:17.04 | Corrodias | open tab? i don't understand. control+T? |
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| 02:20.42 | Thunder_Child | Corrodias: no, if you are typing in a url of a tab that is already open |
| 02:21.45 | Kraps | winterception http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6V8H_LRAuNk |
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| 02:37.22 | Xyphoid | this crowd control change is interesting |
| 02:47.39 | Corrodias | dotell |
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| 02:49.40 | Kraps | Corrodias: http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/ |
| 02:52.00 | Xyphoid | getting away from the 3 2 1 SHEEP thing, yeah |
| 02:52.51 | Kraps | OMG http://www.hulu.com/the-confession JUST HIT ANOTHER LEVEL |
| 02:52.56 | Corrodias | aha |
| 03:01.39 | kd3 | wow at the cc change |
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| 03:03.12 | Xyphoid | i would have loved it early on in cat when you're figuring out what's immune to cc |
| 03:05.02 | Xyphoid | how nice will it be when you can look at the pack of mobs as a tank and actually confirm they've CCd the right things, it'll be wonderful |
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| 03:17.20 | Kraps | lols at people complaining about ads on hulu |
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| 03:18.42 | Thunder_Child | lols at people that watch hulu |
| 03:20.07 | Kraps | lols at people who pay for cable |
| 03:22.16 | DWSR | Hey conservative majority. |
| 03:22.22 | Dashkal | sighs |
| 03:22.40 | Dashkal | Welcome welcome, our new GOP overlords. |
| 03:23.02 | kd3 | I take it the canuck results just landed? |
| 03:23.09 | DWSR | kd3: Not officially. |
| 03:23.12 | DWSR | But yes. |
| 03:23.32 | DWSR | Dashkal: I'm not super happy about it, but hopefully Harper can make the economy stronger. |
| 03:23.59 | Kraps | didnt you want him/her dead earlier :p |
| 03:23.59 | Dashkal | Possibly yes, but the cost is more than I'm comfortable with. |
| 03:24.11 | Dashkal | We'll be lucky to still be a free country when he's done |
| 03:24.17 | kd3 | in other, somewhat horrifying news, the corps is going to blow up the levee tonight |
| 03:24.28 | DWSR | Kraps: Best of a bad situation. |
| 03:24.30 | kd3 | http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/05/02/missouri.levee.breach/index.html |
| 03:25.18 | Kraps | Dashkal: rhetoric like that is fail |
| 03:26.12 | kd3 | also, where the hell was this when I was a kid? http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2011/05/super-soaker-introduces-a-new-wrinkle-to-squirt-guns-magazines.ars |
| 03:26.27 | Dashkal | Kraps: I stand by the statement. |
| 03:26.42 | Corrodias | dayum |
| 03:26.44 | Thunder_Child | it's a good thing DAII isnt more on sale or i might actually nuy it |
| 03:26.48 | Thunder_Child | buy* |
| 03:27.11 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: s/good/bad/ |
| 03:27.29 | kd3 | hell, I'm probably going to buy it anyway and torment some people with a freaking squirt gun with a /reloadable magazine/ |
| 03:28.28 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: except i dont actually like the game |
| 03:28.33 | Kraps | cant remember which episode of buffy i'm up to |
| 03:28.47 | Kraps | i have the demo! |
| 03:29.27 | Kraps | how do you know you dont like it? |
| 03:30.15 | Thunder_Child | i tried it? |
| 03:30.32 | Kraps | why would you buy it then? |
| 03:30.40 | Thunder_Child | http://store.steampowered.com/app/72200/ this looks interesting, but not very practical |
| 03:31.36 | Kraps | i got that Thunder_Child |
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| 03:35.10 | kd3 | in even further news, wow. fark's crumbling under the load |
| 03:38.42 | Adys | anyone has civ5 on windows? |
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| 03:40.45 | Lunessa | I love the time before finals... the halls are full of people late into the night, the sickly smell of desperation wafts on the air conditioned breeze, and I have to go hunting down checked out laptops before I can go home... |
| 03:41.08 | Lunessa | And on that note, I'm out. |
| 03:41.24 | Thunder_Child | Adys: yes |
| 03:41.42 | Adys | Thunder_Child: can you do me a favour and update the screenshot you sent me half a year ago? |
| 03:41.50 | Adys | which would be http://bugs2.winehq.org/attachment.cgi?id=30951 |
| 03:41.54 | Thunder_Child | Adys: i set you a screenshot? |
| 03:42.19 | Thunder_Child | ok |
| 03:42.26 | Adys | http://bugs2.winehq.org/attachment.cgi?id=34443 this is what im getting |
| 03:42.54 | Adys | Thunder_Child: use alt-printscreen btw if possible, to capture just the window |
| 03:43.01 | Jamash | http://i.imgur.com/thLaD.jpg |
| 03:43.05 | Thunder_Child | it's already done |
| 03:44.17 | Thunder_Child | Adys: http://postimage.org/image/by8mnw2s/ |
| 03:44.31 | Thunder_Child | really should install SP2 |
| 03:44.33 | Adys | ty |
| 03:45.18 | Thunder_Child | actually, i thought i already did |
| 03:45.20 | Thunder_Child | hmm... |
| 03:47.36 | Thunder_Child | Adys: dont forget this is the steam version |
| 03:47.40 | Thunder_Child | not sure it makes a diff though |
| 03:47.46 | Adys | yeah thats the version i need |
| 03:47.47 | Adys | thanks |
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| 03:59.56 | aggixx | Trying to offset a frame that's anchored to the bottom of LFDParentFrame. My best guess is that I'm putting the offset tag in the wrong place, where is it supposed to go? |
| 04:01.27 | aggixx | Or can you not offset an anchored frame? |
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| 04:15.50 | Kraps | http://i.imgur.com/QFqpu.jpg |
| 04:17.15 | kd3 | huh |
| 04:17.53 | Adys | someone surprised that things happen in the real world? |
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| 04:19.47 | Wobin | it's been a busy year |
| 04:20.09 | Adys | i can get you half the drama on that page watching any news channel for a week |
| 04:20.34 | Wobin | not really with the numbers involved |
| 04:21.16 | Adys | even with the numbers involved, things that kill lots of people happen a lot more than "once a year" |
| 04:21.33 | Wobin | who said anything about 'once a year'? |
| 04:22.02 | Adys | whoever put up that page |
| 04:22.23 | Wobin | I don't read anything about 'once a year' in that |
| 04:22.28 | Adys | indirectly |
| 04:22.39 | Wobin | still not seeing that interpretation |
| 04:22.50 | Wobin | all I'm seeing is a "Wow, quite a bit has happened in the last four months!" |
| 04:22.56 | Wobin | which it has |
| 04:23.01 | Adys | author is surprised that in 4 months there's been a lot of activity in the world |
| 04:23.23 | Wobin | you're saying there hasn't been a lot of activity in the world in the last four months? |
| 04:23.45 | Adys | im saying theres been as much activity in the world in the last four months as the same four months the year before this one |
| 04:23.52 | Wobin | it's just 'business as usual, for a week' for you? |
| 04:23.58 | Wobin | oh wait |
| 04:24.00 | Wobin | two weeks |
| 04:24.38 | Wobin | I dunno |
| 04:24.51 | Wobin | I'd say the death count alone, for the first 4 months of last year do -not- match this years |
| 04:25.13 | Wobin | I mean, even the 1 billion people watch a single event live |
| 04:25.17 | Wobin | doesn't happen every week |
| 04:25.58 | Wobin | that's 1 in 6 people in the -whole world- |
| 04:25.59 | Thunder_Child | it did in the last 2 |
| 04:26.06 | Adys | i said i can get you half the items on that page in a week, doesnt mean im getting you two 9.0 earthquakes a month :P |
| 04:26.26 | Wobin | Thunder_Child: last year? |
| 04:26.36 | Wobin | Adys: you said 'half the drama' |
| 04:26.46 | Wobin | therefore, twice the amount of time, should equal the drama |
| 04:26.56 | Wobin | hop to it! |
| 04:27.17 | Adys | the layout of the image refers to the amount of items on that image, not the actual impact of each item |
| 04:27.38 | Wobin | so you're ignoring the impact of each of those events for the fact that it "was an event" |
| 04:27.43 | Wobin | faaaail =P |
| 04:27.56 | Wobin | "Oh my! I can envisage STUFF HAPPENING every WEEK!" |
| 04:28.00 | durcyn | i'm sorry, Canada. |
| 04:28.04 | Adys | all the contrary :) I'm not ignoring the impact, I'm underlining that the author is ignoring it |
| 04:28.24 | Thunder_Child | Wobin: weeks |
| 04:28.31 | Wobin | isn't that the whole point of the 'image'? |
| 04:28.45 | Wobin | that many many high impact events have occurred this year, -already- |
| 04:28.55 | Wobin | and that it's only the start of the year |
| 04:29.10 | Adys | what are the odds we'll get another 9.0 earthquake by december? |
| 04:29.13 | Wobin | you're the one that said you could come up with as much drama in two week =P |
| 04:29.28 | Wobin | Adys: Probably high. And probably in Japan |
| 04:29.49 | Adys | wrong answer |
| 04:29.53 | Wobin | I hear there's going to be a huge geological event in the US |
| 04:29.59 | Adys | correct answer is: as high as the year following this one |
| 04:30.16 | Adys | (statistically as high; geologically of course it's not) |
| 04:30.20 | Wobin | I don't even know what you're trying to argue here |
| 04:30.32 | Wobin | Are you disputing the image? |
| 04:30.33 | Adys | it's 530 am, I'm bored and making a point |
| 04:30.37 | Wobin | ah |
| 04:30.39 | Wobin | go to bed |
| 04:30.43 | Adys | can't |
| 04:30.51 | Wobin | pft |
| 04:30.54 | Wobin | you're not trying hard enough |
| 04:30.56 | Adys | and im just disputing the fact someone is surprised there is activity in the world :P |
| 04:30.58 | Kraps | new captcha? http://i.imgur.com/BE62R.png |
| 04:31.23 | Adys | that's terrible |
| 04:31.30 | Adys | captchas are terrible in general so whatever |
| 04:31.49 | Arrowmaster | that one could be easily defeated by a bot |
| 04:32.00 | Adys | it defeats the entire "security" of the captcha |
| 04:32.20 | Adys | the worst enemy of a captcha cracker is false positives |
| 04:32.24 | Arrowmaster | well that image would probably get defeated anyway without the 'select the matching one' |
| 04:32.52 | Adys | with a list of possible matches, all you're doing is letting the bot know: "Look at all these matches that don't look ANYTHING like what you're seeing, and this one which probably does!" |
| 04:33.20 | Wobin | Kraps: It's better than the 'watch this ad!' captchas >< |
| 04:33.34 | Adys | Wobin: those are better than the "complete this survey" captchas |
| 04:33.47 | Arrowmaster | Adys: what do you mean, those are the best captchas |
| 04:33.58 | Adys | well |
| 04:34.07 | Arrowmaster | they let me know when something isnt worth looking at |
| 04:34.18 | Adys | if you compare them to the "have sex with my granddad to prove you're human" captchas.. |
| 04:34.47 | Arrowmaster | s/granddad/daughter/ |
| 04:34.48 | Kraps | how are the google "not-existing-as-a-person-place-or-thing" captchas any better? :( |
| 04:35.00 | Adys | what? |
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| 04:36.01 | Kraps | the sqiggles, dots and pi symbols |
| 04:36.11 | Adys | ... what are you talking about? |
| 04:36.24 | Adys | google serves regular captchas |
| 04:37.13 | Adys | if you're talking about recaptcha, the symbols are mixed scans and if it's a problem you can write whatever for that word it'll validate |
| 04:37.43 | Wobin | as long as you get the clear one correct |
| 04:45.22 | Dagmar | Yeah if ther'es pi or somethig in there you can pretty much type anything for that character |
| 04:46.32 | durcyn | if I was a spammer, I'd just proxy the captchas out to users who don't even realize what they're looking at, and i'd already have the infrastructure for it in the form of one or more botnets |
| 04:46.56 | durcyn | good thing i'm not a spammer |
| 04:46.56 | Xyphoid | mediawiki spam bots broke recaptcha for me trivially |
| 04:47.12 | Xyphoid | switched to 'type in the name of this wiki' and spam went to 0 |
| 04:49.39 | Dewin | durcyn: It's been done. Heck, I've heard of porn-for-captchas sites. |
| 04:56.24 | Kraps | theres a site that supposedly protects you illegitimate rapidshare links, and one of the protections you can use is a captcha that shows 5 dragable images and it asks you to drag a specific one to a circle |
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| 04:58.55 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* i just noticed my FF is using 1 GB of ram |
| 04:59.12 | Dagmar | You weren't using it. ;) |
| 04:59.21 | durcyn | use chrome like a man. |
| 04:59.33 | Xyphoid | a captcha where you pick from 5 options is pretty dumb |
| 05:00.10 | Thunder_Child | durcyn: i have found chrome to have more leakage than FF....though that was with 3.x |
| 05:00.27 | Kraps | Dagmar: no, i heard about it from a close friend |
| 05:00.41 | Kraps | REAL close |
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| 05:02.31 | Dagmar | Kraps: I was talking to TC, but thanks |
| 05:02.32 | Dagmar | heh |
| 05:02.44 | Kraps | :( |
| 05:03.27 | Arrowmaster | real friends dont let friends use criminal sites like rapidshare |
| 05:03.59 | Dagmar | I just kind of ignore em |
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| 05:04.25 | Kraps | i dont have any friends :( |
| 05:04.29 | Arrowmaster | i use them when i have to but mostly hate them and hate that they have become so popular |
| 05:04.59 | Kraps | Arrowmaster: who rapidshare? |
| 05:05.08 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 05:05.21 | Nachtmyn | Anyone have a few minutes to help with a configuration? |
| 05:05.24 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: This is where the "not five-nines" dreamhost account comes in handy |
| 05:05.43 | Arrowmaster | i have no clue what that is |
| 05:05.57 | Kraps | why do you care if they're popular? |
| 05:06.19 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Dreamhost has cheap hosting |
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| 05:06.28 | Arrowmaster | because they go against everything that p2p and warez originally was |
| 05:06.48 | Dagmar | Yeah I can't say I much care for Rapidshare basically running a warez site |
| 05:07.07 | Arrowmaster | its a for profit warez site |
| 05:07.16 | Kraps | no, warez sites run Rapidshare :p |
| 05:07.41 | Arrowmaster | no, they dont |
| 05:07.58 | Kraps | its easier than p2p /shrug |
| 05:08.00 | Dagmar | I think he's referring to the way they shaped policy decisions |
| 05:09.00 | Arrowmaster | there is a very large line for me between for example downloading a movie from the internet and purchasing a bootleg dvd |
| 05:09.16 | Arrowmaster | rapidshare and the like are on the bootleg side of that line |
| 05:10.04 | Fisker | slaps Arrowmaster around a bit with a large trout |
| 05:10.10 | Kraps | hmm |
| 05:10.22 | aggixx | What's the best way to add static text to a frame in XML? |
| 05:10.27 | Fisker | slaps Kraps around a bit with a large trout |
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| 05:11.38 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: i finally got what you ment by 'not five-nines' |
| 05:11.55 | aggixx | Been trying <Layers><Layer level="overlay"><FontString>...</FontString></Layer></Layers> but that doesn't seem to be working for me. |
| 05:12.57 | aggixx | anyone? =/ |
| 05:13.25 | Wobin | Arrowmaster: what did it mean? |
| 05:13.37 | Wobin | aggixx: All I can suggest is not to use xml =) |
| 05:13.45 | Fisker | slaps Wobin around a bit with a large trout |
| 05:13.46 | Arrowmaster | Wobin: 99.999% uptime |
| 05:13.51 | Wobin | ah |
| 05:14.02 | Arrowmaster | dreamhost is more like 50% uptime |
| 05:14.15 | Wobin | I'd want it to be cheap, then =) |
| 05:14.23 | Dagmar | It's like 100 for a year |
| 05:14.29 | Dagmar | I put guild stuff on it |
| 05:15.30 | Dagmar | So long as you don't get them chain-Slashdotted they're pretty much cool with everything |
| 05:16.25 | Arrowmaster | ive heard otherwise |
| 05:19.56 | durcyn | http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lklp15mesn1qzq4qro1_500.png |
| 05:20.09 | Dagmar | They've never given Dropline any complaints and we're using a ton of disk and occasionally heavy traffic |
| 05:20.34 | Dagmar | That's like, just 2,000-5,000 people tho |
| 05:22.43 | Fisker | i don't get it |
| 05:22.59 | Fisker | how come Apple is making a fix for their tracking issue when according to them it doesn't exist? |
| 05:28.51 | AcidWeb | Morning |
| 05:29.55 | Cairenn | hi Zhinjio |
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| 05:36.20 | Wobin | Fisker: it's like Obama's birth certificate =P |
| 05:36.32 | Wobin | except the other way around |
| 05:41.13 | bleeter | hur hur |
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| 06:04.53 | Zhinjio | ITS THE DAMN BLOWJOB GREMLINS. |
| 06:05.10 | Zhinjio | (just so you know |
| 06:05.12 | Zhinjio | ) |
| 06:06.05 | zenzio | I thought gremlins didn't react well to moisture? Or am I confusing them with something, never actually watched those movies |
| 06:06.15 | Cairenn | o.O |
| 06:07.57 | zenzio | "An inadvertent press of a key on a keyboard led to 'a full outage of the network infrastructure [that] took out all load balancers, routers, and firewalls... and resulted in a complete external loss of connectivity to Cloud Foundry.'" |
| 06:07.59 | zenzio | oops |
| 06:10.22 | karl_w_w | Ring of Frost now has a 1.5-second cast time. |
| 06:10.35 | karl_w_w | so 4.5s until it does anything |
| 06:10.56 | Wobin | zenzio: link? |
| 06:11.31 | Wobin | zenzio: I thought it was the mogwai you didn't want to get wet |
| 06:11.43 | Wobin | but I do vaugely recall sprinkler systems used to some effect |
| 06:11.55 | zenzio | Wobin: http://tech.slashdot.org/story/11/05/02/2231244/VMware-Causes-Second-Outage-While-Recovering-From-First |
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| 06:16.19 | Zhinjio | the blowjob gremlins are DIRE. |
| 06:16.52 | Zhinjio | Torhal and I are blaming secure code problems on blowjob gremlins. |
| 06:16.55 | Zhinjio | And they are DIRE. |
| 06:17.02 | Cairenn | Zhinjio: what on earth are you on about? |
| 06:17.07 | Cairenn | ah |
| 06:17.51 | Zhinjio | so apparently CastSpellByName can be executed from any code inside a hardware event handling procedure, but not otherwise |
| 06:17.55 | Torhal | Cairenn: Apparently OnClick is special and allows things like CastSpellByName("tailoring"), whereas OnMouseUp and OnMouseDown tell you to fuck right off. |
| 06:17.59 | Zhinjio | so I can execute it inside OnClick |
| 06:18.08 | Cairenn | ah |
| 06:18.09 | Zhinjio | but not... what he said. |
| 06:18.19 | Zhinjio | so OnClick is special |
| 06:18.27 | Zhinjio | which led to the question as to exactly WHY its spwecial |
| 06:18.31 | Zhinjio | which led us to two options |
| 06:18.33 | Zhinjio | gremlins |
| 06:18.34 | Zhinjio | or blowjobs |
| 06:18.42 | Cairenn | right |
| 06:18.43 | Zhinjio | we compromised and decided it was blowjob gremlins |
| 06:18.46 | Zhinjio | and they are DIRE |
| 06:18.52 | Cairenn | okay then |
| 06:18.59 | Zhinjio | now everything is clear |
| 06:19.05 | Torhal | Zhinjio: You do know she has the syringe ready now, right? |
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| 06:19.20 | Zhinjio | thank heavens, cuz I just took my ambien, and in about ten minutes, I'm not even going to know my name |
| 06:19.33 | zenzio | "Retaliation, Recklessness and Shield Wall no longer have stance requirements." - whatnow? If they're going to keep doing this then just remove stances altogether |
| 06:19.36 | Zhinjio | I self medicate. Cairenn knows this |
| 06:19.38 | Zhinjio | heh |
| 06:19.53 | Cairenn | calls the nice men with the self-love sweaters |
| 06:20.01 | Torhal | Hahaha |
| 06:20.07 | Wobin | zenzio: Recklessness + Bladestorm will be... interesting |
| 06:20.08 | Zhinjio | I'll just cuddle with my companion cube. |
| 06:20.23 | Wobin | (+ Sweeping Strikes) |
| 06:20.38 | Wobin | Hi2U Aggro Magnet |
| 06:22.56 | ZorbaBeta | zenzio, they need stances to know when you're in tank mode |
| 06:23.02 | ZorbaBeta | but they admittedly don't need them for much more than that |
| 06:23.25 | zenzio | ZorbaBeta: that's why I added the "if they're going to keep doing this" |
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| 06:26.03 | Jamash | soz I has 2 1TB sata 3.5" drives in a RAID 1, one of which is failing, should I get a replacement 1TB or a single 2TB and then when the second one fails get a second 2TB? |
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| 06:27.05 | ZorbaBeta | why use raid 1? |
| 06:27.30 | Jamash | as opposed to? |
| 06:27.42 | Wobin | just get two 2TBs and replace your current setup and have a spare 1TB as well! |
| 06:28.06 | ZorbaBeta | as opposed to not using raid at all |
| 06:28.13 | ZorbaBeta | basically, what are you getting out of the raid? |
| 06:28.14 | Jamash | 1. I am cheap and 2. my SATA card has only two ports |
| 06:28.27 | Jamash | ZorbaBeta: redundancy |
| 06:28.29 | Wobin | well, he's saved his data, right now |
| 06:28.35 | Jamash | ^ |
| 06:28.37 | Wobin | cause one of the drives is already failing |
| 06:28.40 | ZorbaBeta | personally, I'd just fork over the $5/mo for an online backup system |
| 06:28.48 | ZorbaBeta | it's far safer |
| 06:28.50 | Jamash | can I get 1TB for $5? |
| 06:28.55 | ZorbaBeta | and probably cheaper |
| 06:28.58 | ZorbaBeta | yes, actually |
| 06:29.05 | Jamash | orly |
| 06:29.11 | Wobin | it also depends on your internet quota =P |
| 06:29.18 | ZorbaBeta | lemme see if I can find the site I was looking at recently |
| 06:29.31 | Wobin | ie, do uploads count towards it |
| 06:29.47 | Wobin | and how fast you can back up |
| 06:29.54 | ZorbaBeta | http://www.crashplan.com/ |
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| 06:29.59 | Jamash | I have AT&T uverse which didn't have a quota last time I checked but that may be changing |
| 06:30.15 | ZorbaBeta | yeah I think that's changing, at&t is putting quotas on all their products |
| 06:30.47 | Wobin | you crazy americans =( |
| 06:31.09 | ZorbaBeta | anyway, there ya go - crashplan+ unlimited is $5/mo for a month-by-month plan |
| 06:32.07 | Arrowmaster | eww the client uses java |
| 06:32.20 | Jamash | this seems fishy to me |
| 06:32.43 | ZorbaBeta | wobin, man, you haven't heard the half of it. did you know the US government gave a ton of money to national network providers in the expectation that they'd use it to provide broadband to the country? |
| 06:32.47 | ZorbaBeta | they just took it and did nothing |
| 06:32.53 | Jamash | there's no such thing as unlimited storage |
| 06:33.16 | ZorbaBeta | jamash, disk is cheap, most people using that service won't be using all that much of it, and many people will have the same files, which only need to be stored once. |
| 06:33.18 | Arrowmaster | yeah i bet if i started using that site they would boot me off really fast |
| 06:33.40 | ZorbaBeta | plus, the people who *do* use a huge amount of storage are likely to tell their friends about it. |
| 06:33.51 | Arrowmaster | and my isp would probably get pissed at me |
| 06:33.57 | Arrowmaster | and it would take me a year to upload it all |
| 06:34.03 | ZorbaBeta | well, I can't solve that one for you. get a better isp ;) |
| 06:34.16 | ZorbaBeta | I was uploading 20kb/s constantly, 24/7, for three years. didn't hear a single complaint from my isp. |
| 06:34.22 | Arrowmaster | i just upgraded my plan on saturday |
| 06:34.26 | Arrowmaster | only 20kb? |
| 06:34.38 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, I only had 384kbit upstream |
| 06:34.41 | Arrowmaster | i was doing 50kb/s constantly, now im doing 90 |
| 06:34.41 | ZorbaBeta | didn't want to use it all |
| 06:35.27 | Arrowmaster | plus i probably do enough random access that it would be slow |
| 06:35.50 | Jamash | anyway my server is used to store multimedia files that I want to have available for streaming, so cloud is not an option |
| 06:36.19 | Arrowmaster | mines tv shows, anime, movies, and ofcourse porn |
| 06:37.09 | ZorbaBeta | well, I wasn't recommending it for actual storage, but just for backup |
| 06:37.54 | Arrowmaster | oh so like start using it and then convert my 7+1 drive raid6 to just individual drives |
| 06:39.05 | Jamash | what I'm asking is whether it's better to buy 1x1TB now (cheap) and 2x2TB later (medium $) or buy 1x2TB now (medium $) and 1x2TB later (cheap) |
| 06:40.05 | ZorbaBeta | running raid1 on a pair of hard drives that weren't bought simultaneously seems like kind of asking for trouble |
| 06:40.05 | Arrowmaster | well how soon will you fill up that 1TB |
| 06:40.19 | ZorbaBeta | it'll probably work, but it's just one of those little factors that can cause issues |
| 06:40.25 | Arrowmaster | ZorbaBeta: running it on drives that were bought simultaneously is asking for trouble |
| 06:40.32 | Arrowmaster | although im guilty of that |
| 06:40.39 | ZorbaBeta | well, imho, running it is asking for trouble |
| 06:40.42 | ZorbaBeta | but we've been over that ;) |
| 06:40.52 | Arrowmaster | my raid6 is of sequential serial number drives |
| 06:40.59 | Arrowmaster | which i wish it wasnt |
| 06:41.42 | Arrowmaster | oh ive still got 6 500GB drives that are new in box i havent done anything with |
| 06:44.24 | zenzio | heh, coworker decided to get the license for driving motorcycles, and his girlfriend is less than enthusiastic about it. Apparently she's now informed him that he'll be "losing privileges" |
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| 06:45.21 | ZorbaBeta | disregard girlfriend, acquire motorcycle |
| 06:45.29 | zenzio | that's his plan |
| 06:45.42 | zenzio | I suspect it's because he's closing in on 30 |
| 06:46.02 | Arrowmaster | depending on the bike he gets, she will change her mind after riding with him |
| 06:54.08 | Fisker | slaps Arrowmaster around a bit with a large trout |
| 06:54.39 | ZorbaBeta | yay all my svn repos are clobbered |
| 06:54.46 | Fisker | slaps ZorbaBeta around a bit with a large trout |
| 06:54.59 | Fisker | omg diablo 3 beta? |
| 06:55.24 | bluspacecow | heh |
| 06:55.31 | bluspacecow | 4.2 patch notes are out already |
| 06:55.39 | Fisker | lulz! |
| 06:55.51 | bluspacecow | "Characters can now be reorganized at the Character Selection screen. This feature not yet fully functional and the reorganization of characters doesn't save at this time." |
| 06:55.58 | Cairenn | tell him to get a spyder |
| 06:56.21 | Cairenn | (although I have to say .... I still love me a good crotch-rocket) |
| 06:56.41 | Fisker | only like a couple of years late bluspacecow :P |
| 06:56.45 | Wobin | the gf sounds a little... controlling =P |
| 06:56.54 | Cairenn | which is why I said a spyder |
| 06:57.05 | Cairenn | she's less likely to freak out over one of those |
| 06:57.22 | Cairenn | be a good way to break her in to the whole idea of his owning a bike |
| 06:59.05 | Arrowmaster | Cairenn: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BRP_Can-Am_Spyder_Roadster ? |
| 06:59.11 | Cairenn | yar |
| 06:59.29 | Jamash | neat |
| 06:59.32 | Cairenn | don't even have to click the link to know, the name is right |
| 06:59.47 | Arrowmaster | personally i want an 848 |
| 07:00.13 | Fisker | bluspacecow :( |
| 07:00.25 | bluspacecow | hmmm |
| 07:00.29 | bluspacecow | why so sad face |
| 07:00.30 | Wobin | oh it's more a trike |
| 07:00.36 | Cairenn | yup |
| 07:00.40 | Cairenn | that's why I suggested it |
| 07:00.50 | Fisker | because i said it was only a couple of years late bluspacecow |
| 07:00.59 | bluspacecow | diablo 3 beta |
| 07:01.05 | bluspacecow | giggty ! |
| 07:01.11 | Fisker | no! |
| 07:01.28 | Fisker | reordering your characters |
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| 07:06.14 | Fisker | don't you think it's a little late? |
| 07:09.32 | Jamash | better never than late? |
| 07:09.47 | Fisker | yes |
| 07:09.58 | Fisker | i lol'd btw |
| 07:10.08 | Fisker | ipads as replacement for school books |
| 07:10.16 | Fisker | thanks for pissing away my tax dollars retards |
| 07:10.27 | bluspacecow | heh |
| 07:10.29 | Fisker | well more like skattekroner |
| 07:10.30 | bluspacecow | you dont pay tax |
| 07:10.41 | Fisker | oh but i do bluspacecow |
| 07:11.03 | Jamash | innervate only grants 5% mana now? geez |
| 07:11.24 | Jamash | that's like... one spell? |
| 07:12.16 | Fisker | anyway bluspacecow |
| 07:12.21 | Wobin | it's at least 5% of the target's mana pool |
| 07:12.30 | Wobin | which makes feral innervate more effective |
| 07:12.37 | Fisker | a kindle would've been much better choice |
| 07:12.42 | Fisker | if they should be going that route at all |
| 07:12.52 | Jamash | "The cast bar can now be moved to display below the Character frame." I approve of this |
| 07:12.57 | Fisker | also i doubt there are a lot of those school books as ebooks yet |
| 07:13.07 | Fisker | i disapprove Jamash :( |
| 07:13.19 | Jamash | I approve of you disapproving |
| 07:13.28 | Fisker | i disapprove Jamash :( |
| 07:13.39 | Torhal | Your midichlorian count is low, Fisker. |
| 07:15.09 | Fisker | nah |
| 07:15.20 | Fisker | i once defeated yoda in battle with my penis |
| 07:15.30 | Fisker | "battle" |
| 07:15.31 | Fisker | hoho |
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| 07:23.11 | Jamash | I once defeated a tortoise in battle twice. |
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| 07:36.40 | mitch0 | I saw an addon recently that allowed creating frames with vertical text, but I can't find it now... anyone got an idea what it could be (this wasn't its main function...) |
| 07:37.00 | mitch0 | ah, maybe tidyplates |
| 07:38.32 | mitch0 | erm, no |
| 07:54.05 | Shirik | http://i.imgur.com/es6hd.jpg |
| 07:55.00 | Wobin | Shirik: how do I check!? |
| 07:55.17 | Shirik | do you have a throat or mouth? |
| 07:55.51 | Wobin | I'm not sure =( |
| 07:55.55 | Shirik | oh |
| 07:56.00 | Shirik | well you should ask your doctor then |
| 07:56.06 | Shirik | If it's just one it could be a false positive |
| 07:56.11 | Shirik | but if you have both you probably have throat cancer |
| 08:01.20 | zenzio | http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/The-Vista-Fix.aspx |
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| 08:29.42 | zenzio | "Ubisoft launches movie studio to make movies of its games" -- "What sucks is you'll have to have an online constant connection in the theater to actually see any movie they put out." |
| 08:30.28 | industrial | :P |
| 08:30.56 | cbreak_work | http://www.chromeexperiments.com/detail/z-type/ |
| 08:31.17 | industrial | joyful were the days when you didn't need an account to play a game |
| 08:31.28 | industrial | like Delta Force: Land Warrior |
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| 08:48.02 | sylvanaar_work | I dont believe Portal 2 is going for $29.99 on amazon |
| 08:48.12 | sylvanaar_work | I just bought it on steam for $50 |
| 08:48.57 | Kalroth | Never buy Valve games on Steam [at launch], they can't compete with any other game store for obvious reasons |
| 08:49.09 | AcidWeb | Somebody here maybe use REFlex and play rated BGs? |
| 08:54.46 | Mikk | mitch0: weakauras can rotate text? |
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| 09:11.19 | karl_w_w | addon to help pet collectors? |
| 09:12.35 | karl_w_w | collectinator! |
| 09:17.27 | Xinhuan | wowhead has a client you could use too, to sync you char to its database |
| 09:17.34 | Xinhuan | and it would show you what pets/mounts you have, don't have |
| 09:18.26 | bluspacecow | hai2u xinny |
| 09:18.41 | karl_w_w | yeah i hadn't thought of that |
| 09:18.49 | karl_w_w | been using wowhead client for ages too |
| 09:25.10 | Arrowmaster | sylvanaar_work: sweet i might pick it up now |
| 09:26.03 | sylvanaar_work | http://osxdaily.com/2011/05/02/portal-2-on-sale-for-29-99-from-amazon/ |
| 09:26.38 | Arrowmaster | bah pc and mac only |
| 09:27.16 | Arrowmaster | im not buying the 360 version for $34.99 |
| 09:27.34 | sylvanaar_work | consoles are only $5 more |
| 09:28.08 | Arrowmaster | still not paying that much for a version i know will not be supported as well as the others |
| 09:29.05 | Arrowmaster | i dont have any valve games for 360 but was considering portal2 when its cheap enough |
| 09:29.21 | Arrowmaster | although by that time it will probably work better in wine |
| 09:31.56 | Jamash | I'm waiting for steam on 360 |
| 09:32.06 | Arrowmaster | never going to happen |
| 09:32.12 | Jamash | exactly |
| 09:32.37 | Jamash | I would never buy a valve game on 360 |
| 09:32.48 | Arrowmaster | microsoft is too restrictive and controlling over updates |
| 09:35.27 | industrial | microsoft shouldn't be |
| 09:35.37 | industrial | (that was not a reply) |
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| 10:40.06 | jnwhiteh | You know its a good facebook post when it ends with "POST IF YOU AGREE" |
| 10:46.51 | Jamash | POST UNLESS YOU AGREE |
| 10:49.26 | jnwhiteh | I DISAGREE |
| 10:51.16 | zenzio | http://erroraccessdenied.com/files/images/graypost.preview.jpg |
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| 11:57.12 | karl_w_w | ~alert |
| 11:57.13 | purl | I'm falling asleep listening to you boring morons... |
| 11:57.19 | Kalroth | awww |
| 11:57.29 | Kalroth | ~wowalert |
| 11:57.29 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 11:57.33 | karl_w_w | <3 |
| 11:57.47 | karl_w_w | well thats now |
| 11:57.49 | karl_w_w | thats no good |
| 12:01.25 | bluspacecow | ~alert |
| 12:01.25 | purl | I'm falling asleep listening to you boring morons... |
| 12:01.28 | bluspacecow | :) |
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| 12:23.06 | Wobin | hm , new dlc for magicka |
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| 12:23.39 | bluspacecow | dlc ? |
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| 12:24.03 | Wobin | downloadable content |
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| 12:24.55 | sylvanaar_work | yeah there were a couple new content packs |
| 12:25.43 | bluspacecow | oh |
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| 12:26.46 | AcidWeb | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:27.13 | jnwhiteh | AcidWeb: I'm not sure, how many more do you need? |
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| 12:27.30 | jnwhiteh | Screenshots are meant to be illustrative, not comprehensive =) |
| 12:28.11 | mitch0 | create one biiig screenshot ;) |
| 12:28.31 | sylvanaar_work | cant you embed a screencast? |
| 12:28.47 | jnwhiteh | I'm not sure if you can embed, but you can certainly link one. |
| 12:28.55 | AcidWeb | I need one more. But mitch0 idea is good - i will merge two. |
| 12:28.58 | AcidWeb | Thank you. |
| 12:30.37 | sylvanaar_work | oh god, i have to debug remote chat now...no f'in way |
| 12:30.47 | jnwhiteh | whats it doing? |
| 12:31.19 | sylvanaar_work | i got a bug report saying that when using prat sending someone a message comes back with "x is ignoring you" |
| 12:31.47 | sylvanaar_work | that makes no sense whatsoever |
| 12:31.52 | jnwhiteh | odd. |
| 12:32.50 | AcidWeb | Making WoW addons. Embrace oddness ;d |
| 12:32.59 | sylvanaar_work | do you have to pay for remote chat? |
| 12:33.08 | jnwhiteh | not right now |
| 12:33.10 | jnwhiteh | its free trial |
| 12:33.19 | sylvanaar_work | ok, well thats good. at least i can test it |
| 12:33.24 | sylvanaar_work | what a pain though |
| 12:33.41 | sylvanaar_work | they must have a special chat type or something. i havent looked |
| 12:33.57 | jnwhiteh | it causes a small icon to appear at the start of the chat line |
| 12:34.03 | jnwhiteh | and you can be on remote chat and in-game at the same time |
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| 12:34.07 | jnwhiteh | so that will help you =) |
| 12:34.33 | sylvanaar_work | oh nice |
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| 12:49.19 | sylvanaar_work | new iMacs are out, i want one... ;( |
| 12:49.41 | sylvanaar_work | my mac mini is lame |
| 12:49.52 | Kalroth | first you complain about portal 2 on steam vs amazon, now you want a mac |
| 12:49.56 | Kalroth | im getting mixed messages |
| 12:50.41 | sylvanaar_work | what messages did you get |
| 12:51.27 | sylvanaar_work | i spent too much on portal 2, and i want a new mac |
| 12:51.59 | foxlit | Hah; apparently /cast Frostfire Orb doesn't actually work |
| 12:51.59 | Kalroth | yes, getting a max is spending too much too |
| 12:52.08 | Kalroth | mac* |
| 12:52.14 | foxlit | Fix one bug, cause another. |
| 12:52.16 | sylvanaar_work | hehe |
| 12:52.33 | Kalroth | foxlit: they do it for the attention |
| 12:54.39 | jnwhiteh | foxlit: blp2png runs out of memory on my VPS when converting an image |
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| 12:55.03 | foxlit | some specific image? |
| 12:55.11 | jnwhiteh | yeah: GuildEmblemsLG_01.blp |
| 12:55.16 | jnwhiteh | err Interface/GuildFrame/GuildEmblemsLG_01.blp |
| 12:55.25 | jnwhiteh | which is 1.3 megs =) |
| 12:56.01 | AcidWeb | jnwhiteh: Do you observer any changes in texture dimensions? |
| 12:56.12 | jnwhiteh | AcidWeb: I'm not sure I understand your question |
| 12:56.38 | AcidWeb | Stil dont found cause of quite strange size change. |
| 12:56.40 | Kraps | http://i.imgur.com/QmjoV.png |
| 12:56.43 | jnwhiteh | I dont monitor the size of every image in the UI, so I wouldn't be aware of anything as subtle as dimension changes |
| 12:56.57 | AcidWeb | After 4.1 all embeded by |t textures was to big |
| 12:57.14 | AcidWeb | I see that SCT is also effected by this |
| 12:57.37 | jnwhiteh | surely not all, considering the ones that Blizzard uses (the raid icons, for example) work fine, right? |
| 12:57.53 | AcidWeb | Sure. |
| 12:58.15 | jnwhiteh | is it a texcoord issue? |
| 12:58.28 | AcidWeb | That is reason why i said - strange ;p |
| 12:58.29 | AcidWeb | no |
| 12:58.35 | AcidWeb | texcoords not changed |
| 12:58.51 | jnwhiteh | Not sure what to tell you |
| 12:58.58 | jnwhiteh | I'd look at what Blizz does with the GM chat icon and the raid icons |
| 12:59.19 | AcidWeb | I dont expect any answer ;p |
| 12:59.56 | AcidWeb | Just saying that i was forced to substrac 10 from size1 and size2 in all |t strings |
| 13:00.09 | AcidWeb | to get same sizes as pre-4.1 |
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| 13:01.41 | AcidWeb | Also i need find a moment and update some BG api on wowprogramming.com |
| 13:02.00 | AcidWeb | One of calls in not deprecated anymore ;] |
| 13:02.08 | jnwhiteh | how do you mean? |
| 13:02.31 | Kraps | "the following program is brought to you by call of duty black ops: escalation" |
| 13:03.39 | alestane | cuddles Lopeppeppy. |
| 13:03.54 | AcidWeb | GetBattlefieldArenaFaction() |
| 13:04.02 | AcidWeb | Is used in new MMR scoreboards |
| 13:04.21 | jnwhiteh | well its very easy to un-deprecate |
| 13:04.22 | krka | <AcidWeb> Just saying that i was forced to substrac 10 from size <-- that's what she said |
| 13:04.25 | jnwhiteh | and I'm glad they found a use for it =) |
| 13:04.43 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, alestane. |
| 13:06.22 | zenzio | the format of this title makes me wonder if Fisker is coding... http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5864466/c-multiple-inheritance-why-you-no-work |
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| 13:12.35 | Lopeppeppy | Oh dear. That would be... to horrible to contemplate. |
| 13:12.47 | Kraps | Jon Stewart was beside himself last night |
| 13:13.17 | jnwhiteh | foxlit: SPELLBOOK/UI-GLYPHFRAME.BLP as well |
| 13:15.23 | foxlit | eek, 1024x1024 images |
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| 13:19.13 | foxlit | UI-GLYPHFRAME.BLP1024x1024 DXT5-> UI-GLYPHFRAME.png |
| 13:19.13 | foxlit | Done, took 23.725848 seconds. [800MB] |
| 13:21.23 | foxlit | Though only 133MB to actually read the image |
| 13:21.32 | Lopeppeppy | I was reading that as UGLY GLYPH FRAME. :) |
| 13:21.34 | jnwhiteh | foxlit: odd |
| 13:21.42 | jnwhiteh | well my VPS is rather RAM limited |
| 13:21.44 | zenzio | Lopeppeppy: maybe it is! |
| 13:21.49 | jnwhiteh | I can convert them manually and then copy them over I guess |
| 13:21.51 | foxlit | jnwhiteh: less odd, doing PNG compression by hand isn't nice. :) |
| 13:23.11 | Kalroth | bit by bit |
| 13:23.22 | jnwhiteh | foxlit: =) |
| 13:23.49 | foxlit | My C implementation takes a second on those images :( |
| 13:24.22 | bluspacecow | ......... |
| 13:24.33 | bluspacecow | @peppy I read it as ANGRY GRAPE FRAME |
| 13:25.04 | jnwhiteh | foxlit: how's the memory on the C version? |
| 13:25.09 | Lopeppeppy | Grapes are often unhappy about their fate. |
| 13:25.18 | jnwhiteh | I bet this process would go much faster with a non-lua version :P |
| 13:25.34 | jnwhiteh | I have to md5 each blp, run the conversion on any that change, and then pngcrush them |
| 13:25.38 | jnwhiteh | takes quite a bit of time =) |
| 13:25.49 | mitch0 | all that in lua? |
| 13:26.00 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 13:26.05 | jnwhiteh | just the conversion in lua |
| 13:26.13 | foxlit | You know, if you're going to do postprocessing anyway, it might be easier for everyone involved if you converted to TGA instead :) |
| 13:26.15 | bluspacecow | ada |
| 13:26.24 | jnwhiteh | both md5 and pngcrush are external |
| 13:26.33 | jnwhiteh | foxlit: I'm not doing any post-processing, and TGAs aren't visible on the web |
| 13:26.40 | jnwhiteh | pngcrush is lossless |
| 13:26.49 | foxlit | jnwhiteh: pngcrush counts in my book :) |
| 13:26.53 | jnwhiteh | yep produces images 60% smaller |
| 13:26.54 | jnwhiteh | O.o |
| 13:27.01 | foxlit | The point is, if you're using pngcrush, you might as well be using imagemagick :) |
| 13:27.35 | jnwhiteh | but I dont have any other blp convertor, just blp2png |
| 13:27.38 | jnwhiteh | so I use what I have =) |
| 13:27.58 | jnwhiteh | and the crushing is superfast, hehe |
| 13:28.54 | foxlit | I think it's actually deflate that ends up causing the majority of the memory cost |
| 13:29.08 | foxlit | http://pastey.net/149614 |
| 13:29.32 | jnwhiteh | seems likel.y |
| 13:29.47 | jnwhiteh | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:29.48 | jnwhiteh | lol |
| 13:30.24 | foxlit | I'm not crazy enough to actually attempt to implement compression :) |
| 13:30.45 | foxlit | So most of the encoding stuff is just "let's just get it in the right format, screw the compression ratio" |
| 13:31.02 | jnwhiteh | I'd definitely do the same |
| 13:31.36 | foxlit | lua> ("hello"):sub(2,4); |
| 13:31.37 | lua_bot | foxlit: ell |
| 13:31.47 | foxlit | lua> ("hello"):sub(2, 2+6); |
| 13:31.47 | lua_bot | foxlit: ello |
| 13:35.23 | mitch0 | hola |
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| 13:51.26 | foxlit | jnwhiteh: http://go-hero.net/temp/blp2png is a bit better, but it's still an evil problem :( |
| 13:52.23 | jnwhiteh | =) |
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| 13:53.13 | foxlit | 4x1024x1024x8 bytes without counting table overhead just to store the image data, then approximately that much again for strings in various stages of encoding |
| 13:53.58 | foxlit | [Something like 400MB peak versus 800MB peak is what I'm observing, but meh] |
| 13:54.01 | mitch0 | . o ( hammer ) |
| 13:54.16 | jnwhiteh | 400MB i could probably deal with |
| 13:54.35 | jnwhiteh | which functions changed? |
| 13:55.19 | foxlit | deflate and writePNG, the main trick being that they now bucket string concatenations with table.concat rather than incrementally building their very long strings. |
| 13:55.40 | jnwhiteh | thanks |
| 13:55.49 | jnwhiteh | I'm converting all 300MB of map files right now, so that'll be an hour or two at least. |
| 13:55.56 | mitch0 | .o(hammer ... nail...) |
| 13:56.25 | foxlit | luajit may help :) |
| 13:56.58 | foxlit | Hm, table overhead. 40 + 16*n bytes for an n-element array. |
| 13:57.03 | bluspacecow | hello ? is there any one in there ? just nod if you can hear me ! |
| 13:57.25 | jnwhiteh | foxlit: good point, i dont have it installed anywhere on this server |
| 13:57.28 | jnwhiteh | but have been meaning to. |
| 13:57.29 | Lopeppeppy | It's a mad world! |
| 13:57.42 | jnwhiteh | anyone remember how to scroll back in a screen session? |
| 13:58.24 | mitch0 | ctrl-a <esc> |
| 13:58.28 | mitch0 | hjkl |
| 13:59.35 | jnwhiteh | anyway to go back a 'page'? |
| 13:59.37 | jnwhiteh | and thank you :P |
| 13:59.52 | jnwhiteh | ctrl-b |
| 14:00.08 | jnwhiteh | it doesn't go back far enough, interesting. |
| 14:01.11 | foxlit | sigh, a MEMORY_MANAGEMENT bluescreen |
| 14:01.20 | foxlit | Something inside that PC is dying :( |
| 14:01.46 | Kalroth | :( |
| 14:04.52 | bluspacecow | either that |
| 14:05.06 | bluspacecow | or someone left a cheese sammich in there last time they did an upgrade |
| 14:05.35 | mitch0 | thinks fondly of some danish blue in teh fridge |
| 14:05.48 | Lopeppeppy | Eew. |
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| 14:09.25 | bluspacecow | *hands old cheese sammich to the peppy* |
| 14:12.18 | alestane | http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2000/2/9/ |
| 14:13.07 | Lopeppeppy | Nooooo! Do not poison the Peppy with calcium. |
| 14:14.19 | haste | I miss my old 3dfx card, with 4MB EDO RAM |
| 14:14.49 | Torhal|work | haste: You do realize this isn't 1996, right? |
| 14:14.59 | haste | no :( |
| 14:15.06 | Torhal|work | Hehehe |
| 14:15.17 | haste | using voodoo 2 for quake 2 was also: WOW! |
| 14:15.20 | haste | :---D |
| 14:15.26 | haste | "The textures look so much smoother now!" |
| 14:15.27 | Torhal|work | Indeed. |
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| 14:16.07 | foxlit | "Innervate now grants an ally target 5% of his or her maximum mana over 10 seconds," |
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| 14:16.13 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:18.50 | Lopeppeppy | Ninnervate me! |
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| 14:23.22 | foxlit | It seems to pass memtest :( |
| 14:26.02 | Adys | anyone on windows? if possible, vista or 7 |
| 14:27.35 | Stanzilla | Adys: 7 x64 |
| 14:27.53 | Adys | Stanzilla: can you tell me how large your c:/windows/winsxs folder is? |
| 14:28.03 | Adys | assuming you dont store your porn there |
| 14:28.11 | bluspacecow | its as big as you want it baby |
| 14:28.14 | bluspacecow | giggity! |
| 14:28.19 | Stanzilla | Adys: 6gb and I dont :P |
| 14:28.21 | bluspacecow | giggity! giggity! |
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| 14:29.06 | foxlit | /hate inserting RAM modules |
| 14:29.22 | foxlit | The amount of force required is excessive, and the top edge is sharp :( |
| 14:29.36 | alestane | foxlit, I guess glyphed Innervate raises that to 15%? |
| 14:29.40 | Adys | Stanzilla: how many folders start with c:/windows/winsxs/amd64_microsoft.windows.common-controls ? |
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| 14:30.38 | foxlit | alestane: 5 to them, 10 to you |
| 14:30.46 | foxlit | the new glyph wording is weird |
| 14:30.56 | foxlit | If you are "a friendly target", then self-innervating gives you 30 |
| 14:31.20 | Stanzilla | Adys: 2 |
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| 14:31.55 | Adys | lets take this to pm |
| 14:32.03 | alestane | It used to be this ungodly infusion of mana steroids. |
| 14:32.24 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm, steroids. |
| 14:32.34 | alestane | "The Reins of the Dark Phoenix, purchased from the Guild Vendor, has had its art improved. It's now less transparent and indisputably more awesome." |
| 14:33.13 | Kraps_w | lol |
| 14:33.36 | Kraps_w | how much gold is it? |
| 14:33.37 | foxlit | Hm, utterly horrible |
| 14:33.49 | Lopeppeppy | I like it when the patch people get to have fun writing things. |
| 14:34.17 | foxlit | Inserting RAM into these two slots causes memtest to spew errors faster than it can log them :/ |
| 14:34.31 | foxlit | I take it that's a motherboard issue? |
| 14:35.04 | Xinhuan | if those RAM you inserted works in a second motherboard, then yes |
| 14:35.42 | foxlit | Don't have a second motherboard to throw at it |
| 14:36.06 | foxlit | But if I switch slots, those ram modules work fine. |
| 14:36.46 | Xinhuan | then its likely to be the slot problem |
| 14:36.52 | Xinhuan | or incompatible ram |
| 14:37.26 | foxlit | incompatible ram is a weird concept |
| 14:37.55 | jnwhiteh | foxlit: so much faster with luajit |
| 14:38.15 | foxlit | jnwhiteh: only about a third? |
| 14:39.20 | jnwhiteh | hard to measure |
| 14:39.36 | jnwhiteh | oh nvm |
| 14:39.39 | jnwhiteh | its getting CRC errors. |
| 14:39.40 | jnwhiteh | odd. |
| 14:40.07 | foxlit | As in in the PNG output? |
| 14:40.58 | jnwhiteh | pngcrush is giving a CRC error |
| 14:41.06 | jnwhiteh | but I changed the gcc version I had installed |
| 14:41.09 | jnwhiteh | i'm going to clean all of that up first |
| 14:41.19 | jnwhiteh | I'm not sure its an issue with your script, but I'm not entirely sure =) |
| 14:41.25 | foxlit | It may well be |
| 14:41.31 | foxlit | See if the old/new versions produce identical output. |
| 14:41.37 | jnwhiteh | I'm back on teh old version |
| 14:41.42 | foxlit | If they don't, I likely messed up deflate |
| 14:41.45 | jnwhiteh | for this reason specifically :P |
| 14:41.47 | jnwhiteh | to test |
| 14:41.55 | jnwhiteh | sudo aptitude safe-upgrade |
| 14:41.57 | jnwhiteh | we'll see where that gets me |
| 14:43.59 | mitch0 | in dependecy hell |
| 14:44.06 | mitch0 | :) |
| 14:44.16 | Kraps_w | wait, republican primary debates start this week? |
| 14:46.06 | foxlit | Totally going to postpone those |
| 14:47.12 | karl_w_w | would something like /! be a valid slash command? |
| 14:48.17 | foxlit | You know, I wonder why the slash command system is so evilly complicated |
| 14:48.25 | foxlit | They could've just went SLASH_COMMANDS["/foo"] = function() |
| 14:48.54 | karl_w_w | that's dangerous thinking foxlit |
| 14:49.30 | Lopeppeppy | If they didn't go with the simple version, there must be a reason. |
| 14:49.32 | karl_w_w | might send you insane trying to understand that sort of thing |
| 14:49.32 | jnwhiteh | makes it easy to set multiple slash commands for the same handler |
| 14:49.40 | jnwhiteh | and have replacing the function work properly |
| 14:49.58 | jnwhiteh | it'd be tough to do the same without a reasonably complicated table =) |
| 14:50.02 | jnwhiteh | which they avoided at the beginning |
| 14:50.38 | karl_w_w | it could still be a lot easier than it is, i'm sure |
| 14:50.50 | jnwhiteh | Is it difficult/ |
| 14:50.52 | jnwhiteh | ? |
| 14:51.00 | jnwhiteh | It's pretty simple as it is |
| 14:51.12 | Adys | does anyone know which d3d method is used to get a 2d snapshot of a 3d model for wow's portraits? |
| 14:51.56 | alestane | foxlit: I think the system is designed for the localizers. |
| 14:52.52 | alestane | I remember trying to figure out why it works the way it does, and concluding that the biggest beneficiaries are whoever maintains GlobalStrings.lua. |
| 14:52.53 | foxlit | alestane: probably |
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| 14:53.15 | foxlit | but SLASH_COMMANDS["/bar"] = "/foo" would've been nicer :P |
| 14:53.24 | foxlit | from a programming perspective |
| 14:53.50 | alestane | It also caches avery command that actually gets typed in a direct map file for next time. |
| 14:54.27 | olafski | alestane: didn't the patch notes for 4.1 also contain that stuff about the dark phoenix? |
| 14:55.18 | foxlit | reducing the memory frequency seems to have calmed memtest a bit |
| 14:58.25 | karl_w_w | Frame:RegisterSlash("slashcommand") |
| 14:58.25 | karl_w_w | Frame:SetScript("OnSlash", function) |
| 14:59.38 | foxlit | Okay, that wouldn't make sense. |
| 14:59.43 | karl_w_w | :D |
| 14:59.46 | karl_w_w | simpler though |
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| 15:05.37 | jnwhiteh | foxlit: yeah this is weird. |
| 15:05.52 | jnwhiteh | karl_w_w: I don't understand why you keep saying the current way is difficult. |
| 15:05.59 | karl_w_w | i dont |
| 15:06.14 | jnwhiteh | I don't think that would be any simpler |
| 15:06.20 | jnwhiteh | actually =) |
| 15:06.37 | jnwhiteh | foxlit: Now I'm getting a CRC error for each file I produce with the script. I'll try a standalone one. |
| 15:07.02 | alestane | THe values are easy enough to set; its just understanding the expressions that's a bit counterintuitive. |
| 15:07.14 | foxlit | jnwhiteh: the old script too? |
| 15:07.21 | jnwhiteh | this is only the old script |
| 15:07.34 | jnwhiteh | when using luajit |
| 15:07.50 | foxlit | Aha. |
| 15:08.26 | foxlit | In that case, I'd probably blame bitlib |
| 15:08.30 | jnwhiteh | and I'm using your bit implementation |
| 15:08.33 | jnwhiteh | not luajits =) |
| 15:10.15 | foxlit | Then it's very weird -- luajit really shouldn't alter the semantics of the language. |
| 15:10.41 | jnwhiteh | yeah, I agree =) |
| 15:10.51 | foxlit | So if it worked in Lua, it *should* work in jit |
| 15:11.58 | foxlit | And you're sure that it doesn't actually use the global bit. Interesting :) |
| 15:12.13 | jnwhiteh | yeah it only uses bit.xor and I force that to be yours. |
| 15:15.39 | foxlit | You may get a performance improvement by not doing that :) |
| 15:15.44 | jnwhiteh | truth |
| 15:15.53 | jnwhiteh | I had issues with it before tho |
| 15:16.18 | jnwhiteh | well.. |
| 15:16.23 | jnwhiteh | both versions produce the same files. |
| 15:16.29 | jnwhiteh | not that I should be surprised by this. |
| 15:16.51 | jnwhiteh | and both can be crushed properly. |
| 15:17.01 | jnwhiteh | so why is my script failing suddenly now.. grr |
| 15:17.31 | Kraps_w | is it a java script? |
| 15:17.36 | jnwhiteh | no. |
| 15:17.38 | Kraps_w | hoho |
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| 15:18.54 | Kraps_w | the DA2 demo crashed on me last night |
| 15:19.34 | Kraps_w | and i couldnt beat the first miniboss |
| 15:20.37 | jnwhiteh | foxlit: the luajib bit.bxor is not compatible with your script, fyi :p |
| 15:20.49 | foxlit | ?! |
| 15:20.56 | jnwhiteh | it produces a bad file |
| 15:21.04 | jnwhiteh | that's not my issue, but the md5sum is different |
| 15:21.16 | jnwhiteh | i'm not sure if its viewable, but I suspect that's a bad thing :P |
| 15:21.18 | foxlit | I wonder how we could possibly disagree on something as different as the definition of a bitwise xor. |
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| 15:23.36 | foxlit | "Note that all bit operations return signed 32 bit numbers" |
| 15:23.51 | jnwhiteh | that'd do it =) |
| 15:24.10 | foxlit | Hm. |
| 15:24.25 | foxlit | function bxor(a, b) return bit.bxor(a, b) % 2^32 end |
| 15:26.46 | jnwhiteh | and now it started working again |
| 15:26.48 | jnwhiteh | i quit =) |
| 15:27.31 | Lopeppeppy | Schroedinbug! |
| 15:33.17 | alestane | Worst fracking kind. |
| 15:33.46 | alestane | Either exists or doesn't, and the only why to determine which is to execute the code. |
| 15:34.03 | alestane | What CMS did y'all settle on, Peppy? |
| 15:34.14 | Corrodias | i suggest a hard drive |
| 15:34.20 | Kraps_w | the mets are giving away 4000 tickets to military vets for the next game |
| 15:34.40 | Kraps_w | they're really desperate arent they |
| 15:35.00 | Corrodias | wow, that's a lot of people. how many can one of those statiums hold? |
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| 15:35.33 | Kraps_w | 40k-50k |
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| 15:36.48 | Kraps_w | but this is the mets |
| 15:37.20 | Kraps_w | so its more like 20k-30k P |
| 15:37.23 | Kraps_w | :p |
| 15:37.42 | alestane | Shea's fairly old, probably not built to the same ambitions that modern stadiums aspire to. |
| 15:38.12 | Kraps_w | they have a new stadium |
| 15:38.19 | alestane | Oh missed that. |
| 15:38.32 | alestane | Haven't watched them regularly since I stopped living with my parents. |
| 15:39.14 | alestane | The New York Metropolitans are one of the most egregious teeter-totter heart-breaking teams in baseball. |
| 15:39.15 | Kraps_w | the mets are lady luck's bitch |
| 15:40.26 | alestane | I've never seen more determined to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, or that can win as nail-bitingly as they can manage to lose. |
| 15:40.30 | Fisker | slaps alestane around a bit with a large trout |
| 15:40.43 | alestane | releases Fisker's trout into the wild. |
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| 15:41.10 | mikma | http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/americans_just_dont_learn.jpg |
| 15:41.29 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, we're still with the old one. We preview a different one tomorrow. |
| 15:42.16 | alestane | Ah. I'm looking at using Joomla! to manage one of my sites and do some learning, just wondered if you might have looked at it at all. |
| 15:42.17 | karl_w_w | is there any way to put an item in a box/package it up other than with wrapping paper? |
| 15:42.30 | nevcairiel | no |
| 15:42.34 | alestane | Do you mean physically or virtually, karl_w_w? |
| 15:42.49 | karl_w_w | i mean in wow :P |
| 15:42.59 | Lopeppeppy | Nope. Joomla did not pass the flexibility muster 6 years ago, we're not looking at it as a possibility in this round either. |
| 15:43.05 | alestane | Then yes, wrapping paper. |
| 15:43.08 | karl_w_w | i know how real life carboard boxes work :P |
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| 15:44.29 | alestane | I remember seeing the cockroach vendor for the first time in Undercity, commenting on it to my wife ("What? Seriously?") and her observation: "Actually, that's one of the best uses I can think of for gift wrap." |
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| 15:45.02 | Lopeppeppy | Cardboard boxes are cat palaces. End of story. |
| 15:45.41 | Kraps_w | also fortresses |
| 15:46.45 | Kraps_w | its hot in this room |
| 15:47.06 | Kraps_w | at work |
| 15:47.49 | Lopeppeppy | Buy yourself a fan! |
| 15:48.01 | karl_w_w | he just wants an excuse to strip |
| 15:48.56 | Kraps_w | not really karl_w_w |
| 15:49.25 | karl_w_w | you would say that |
| 15:49.38 | Kraps_w | :/ |
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| 15:50.41 | Lunessa | station |
| 15:51.03 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Lunessa dear. How's the fishing today? |
| 15:51.43 | Lunessa | I feel like the med-tech they discover in Aliens... "please... <gasp> ... kill... <gasp> ... me." |
| 15:53.05 | bluspacecow | *fondles lunessa* |
| 15:53.07 | bluspacecow | better ? |
| 15:53.13 | Lunessa | Um, no? |
| 15:53.28 | Corrodias | do it some more |
| 15:53.56 | bluspacecow | *fondle fondle* |
| 15:54.17 | Corrodias | all right, that's pretty good. |
| 15:54.26 | Lopeppeppy | I think it works better if I do it, really. |
| 15:54.35 | Lopeppeppy | shoots Lunessa in the brain pan. |
| 15:54.57 | Lunessa | dies before the chest-burster erupts. |
| 15:55.02 | alestane | Morning, Lunessa. How goes the station relocation? |
| 15:55.05 | Lopeppeppy | Yay,I did it! |
| 15:55.08 | Corrodias | so why's anything in that area called a "pan"? nothing much like a pan, i say. |
| 15:55.15 | Lunessa | I still have a lot of work to do. |
| 15:55.33 | Lopeppeppy | Take off the top, Corrodias. Turn it scalp down. Use it for a cooking pan. |
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| 15:55.44 | Lopeppeppy | Wish I could come do the cleaning for you, Lunessa. |
| 15:55.54 | Corrodias | can you get bone hot? i bet it doesn't transmit heat well, but maybe you could bake inside. |
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| 15:56.10 | Lopeppeppy | So bake bread in it, as a loaf pan. |
| 15:56.18 | Corrodias | marvellous |
| 15:56.26 | Lunessa | You can make soup in it, but it leaks slowly. |
| 15:56.47 | Lopeppeppy | Most "found" cookware leaks, just cook things faster! |
| 15:57.08 | Kraps_w | you guys just wait here, imma get some FBIs k? |
| 15:57.29 | Lopeppeppy | All the girls in channel are really just FBI agents in disguise, Kraps, didn't you know that? |
| 15:57.59 | bluspacecow | damn those were realistic breasts i fondled |
| 15:58.06 | bluspacecow | *fondles peppy once more to make sure* |
| 15:58.06 | Fisker | hello bluspacecow |
| 15:58.08 | Kraps_w | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:58.12 | Torhal|work | Lopeppeppy: I thought you were a fat middle-aged man who vies for attention... |
| 15:58.22 | bluspacecow | no dear thats just you |
| 15:58.34 | Torhal|work | bluspacecow: I'm not pretending to be female... |
| 15:58.46 | Torhal|work | Or an FBI agent... |
| 15:59.34 | Lopeppeppy | Which is why you're the fat middle-aged man vying for attention. |
| 15:59.50 | Lopeppeppy | I'm a pudgy girl who uses randomness as a way to hide my real thoughts and feelings. |
| 16:00.36 | Torhal|work | Lopeppeppy: I thought they revolved around cats.... |
| 16:00.38 | Torhal|work | Damn it! |
| 16:01.15 | Lopeppeppy | Cat, Torhal. One of mine died in April. |
| 16:01.41 | Lopeppeppy | She thinks my life revolves around her, and I cannot prove her wrong. Nor can I ever admit whether or not she is correct, without losing all self-respect. |
| 16:01.52 | Lunessa | Torhal|work: That's because you're a rail-thin hairy freak who gets all the attention he wants. :P |
| 16:02.00 | Torhal|work | ROFL |
| 16:02.08 | Torhal|work | Lopeppeppy: Aww, sorry to hear :( |
| 16:03.20 | Kraps_w | Lopeppeppy: sounds like a schrogingers cat |
| 16:03.24 | Lopeppeppy | Thanks, Torhal. My other fur baby makes sure to sit on me more often now, in compensation. Tried to make me late for work, even. |
| 16:04.19 | Lopeppeppy | Lunch. I need some m-f protein. NOW. afk |
| 16:05.44 | DWSR | Kraps_w: I see what you did there. |
| 16:07.31 | DWSR | http://www.zazzle.ca/just_in_proud_computer_engineer_reports_his_tshirt-235294608587512859 |
| 16:13.59 | mikma | http://www.lamebook.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/shary2.jpg |
| 16:14.03 | mikma | KEKEKEKEEEEEEEE!! |
| 16:15.01 | TC-Laptop | heh |
| 16:18.15 | DWSR | mikma: It's true though |
| 16:18.21 | DWSR | Men aren't allowed to have toys. |
| 16:18.24 | DWSR | Unless the toys are women |
| 16:18.40 | DWSR | By societal norms, anyway. |
| 16:19.32 | mikma | dwsr: men are allowed to have toys, they just have wheels in them ^^ |
| 16:19.44 | DWSR | rolls his eyes |
| 16:19.55 | mikma | it's the same thing: |
| 16:19.59 | DWSR | You like your sex toys to have wheels on them? :-P |
| 16:20.16 | DWSR | pervert. |
| 16:20.32 | mikma | a man sleeps with 100 women, he's a legend. a woman sleeps with 100 men, she's a slut. |
| 16:20.42 | mikma | dwsr: i like to drive my toys, yes |
| 16:21.16 | DWSR | mikma: It depends on the timeframe, imo. |
| 16:22.01 | mikma | timeframe in a toy? |
| 16:22.17 | DWSR | in the sleeping with 100 of the opposite sex |
| 16:22.19 | DWSR | But sure |
| 16:22.23 | DWSR | Timeframe in a toy. |
| 16:22.33 | DWSR | Relativistic physics as it relates to sex toys. |
| 16:22.41 | DWSR | This was a triumph. |
| 16:22.48 | DWSR | But the cake was a lie and that's what I'm counting on. |
| 16:22.49 | DWSR | SLEEP! |
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| 16:27.25 | Kraps_w | Limbaugh is kind of right about the Dems being jerks about Bush's security policies that arguably helped find osama, and obama as senetor was too, but once he became pres he kinda changed his tune. because my opinion is, unless you're the pres or relatively deep in the intelligence community, you have no fucking clue whats really going on |
| 16:28.14 | durcyn | giving up and invading iraq as a show of force definitely led directly to this, of course |
| 16:28.59 | Dagmar | Bush's security policies would have only been effective if Osama was hiding out in Kansas. |
| 16:29.09 | Dagmar | Remember, above all else, Limbaugh is a fucking idiot. |
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| 16:44.00 | bluspacecow | fail |
| 16:44.06 | bluspacecow | got lost again mikma |
| 16:44.10 | bluspacecow | on my minecraft SSP |
| 16:44.12 | bluspacecow | world |
| 16:44.27 | bluspacecow | i think i created another section of the map again |
| 16:44.43 | mikma | bluspacecow: ass and fail |
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| 16:46.06 | Fisker | ~framexml |
| 16:46.06 | purl | hmm... framexml is Blizzard's UI for WoW. Export code/art from the client by using the wow.exe -console commands "ExportInterfaceFiles code" and "ExportInterfaceFiles art" (must be used on login screen); or view it online at http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source , http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser or http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml |
| 16:46.14 | Torhal|work | purl: Lag much? |
| 16:50.16 | Kraps_w | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/173340/pet-for-united-states-reliefalabama |
| 16:50.16 | Fisker | umadbro? |
| 16:52.57 | Dagmar | Nope. No one gives a damn. |
| 16:54.02 | Dagmar | If that redneck can't tell the difference between a storm that kills 300 and a tsunami that kills more than ten times that amount, no one else should likely care either |
| 16:54.02 | Torhal|work | I do! |
| 16:54.53 | Dagmar | Mosquitoes != sieverts |
| 16:55.30 | Kraps_w | "You know you can just donate to a relief fund w/o buying some stupid pet in a video game." <-- RIDICULOUS |
| 16:55.55 | foxlit | "Anyway just wish we would help us out first than others sometimes, not being a jerk honeslty just speaking my mind." |
| 16:56.37 | Torhal|work | Let's see: Japan happened first. Much more devastatingly. |
| 16:56.50 | Torhal|work | The Alabama thing just happened Wednesday... |
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| 16:57.12 | Dagmar | "More Japanese bodies have washed ashore over the past couple of months than the total number of Americans killed by these recent tornadoes." |
| 16:57.14 | Torhal|work | "Blizzard! I demand you shit out a pet NAO!" |
| 16:57.49 | Dagmar | I'm just a little shocked that the guy is basically demanding something in return for making a donation |
| 16:58.09 | Dagmar | LIke he can't call up the Red Cross or something. They'll take donations, and the call won't even be long-distance |
| 16:58.49 | foxlit | Dagmar: curious question, can you specify what your money goes to? |
| 16:59.08 | foxlit | Kind of like "Yes, I know there's a major disaster somewhere else, and I demand my $5 stays in the state of Washington!" |
| 16:59.09 | Dagmar | Depends on what's going on at the moment |
| 16:59.24 | Dagmar | IIRC they let you earmark for Katrina victims |
| 17:01.02 | karl_w_w | this is all ridiculous |
| 17:01.34 | karl_w_w | if you're going to bitch and moan that your charity is going to the wrong place, it's not charity at all |
| 17:01.36 | Dagmar | I'm thinking the word 'craven' is pretty accurate |
| 17:01.46 | Torhal|work | Anyway, it's as silly as me demanding that Blizzard comp my WoW time because I live in Huntsville and didn't have power/Internet for five days. |
| 17:01.58 | Kraps_w | no karl_w_w, this is a serious issue that needs to be addressed NOW |
| 17:02.02 | Dagmar | I *demand* my money go towards speeding up this goddamn Ubuntu upgrade |
| 17:02.07 | Torhal|work | Hah |
| 17:02.46 | Dagmar | Kraps_w: Drunken hillbillies on a rampage aside, there's nowhere that was affected by the storms that it is currently unsafe to go outside |
| 17:03.28 | CodeRedLin | Even the hood? |
| 17:03.29 | Torhal|work | We actually had a dusk-to-dawn curfew because some idiots were looting. |
| 17:03.59 | Torhal|work | I drove 24 miles to Ardmore to get supplies and on my way back I was stopped at a blockade...the officer saw that I had groceries so he let me go. |
| 17:04.14 | karl_w_w | what if you looted the groceries! |
| 17:04.22 | Torhal|work | Haha |
| 17:04.41 | Dagmar | Looted the groceries from where? Areas where the infrastructure was still intact? |
| 17:04.45 | Torhal|work | I didn't even know about the curfew because I had no power and I don't own a cell phone. |
| 17:05.06 | karl_w_w | from anywhere Dagmar :P |
| 17:05.29 | karl_w_w | I just find it odd that having groceries automatically means you're not up to no good :P |
| 17:05.31 | Dagmar | Well, there's getting groceries, and then there's looting |
| 17:05.43 | Lunessa | A few years ago, after Hurricane Ike, I lived under curfew too. Disaster happens. The kind souls at the Red Cross and the National Guard fed me for days. Don't let angry, entitled people destroy your goodwill and desire to help. Help where, how and when you can. Humans are, at their core, good creatures. Don't let the worst destroy your faith in the best. |
| 17:05.48 | Dagmar | If it weren't groceries, he might well have a bunch of brand-new xboxes in the back seat |
| 17:05.49 | Lopeppeppy | Looting is usually much less orderly, and involves televisions. |
| 17:05.55 | Dagmar | Lopeppeppy++ |
| 17:06.00 | karl_w_w | all law abiding citizens have groceries |
| 17:06.12 | Dagmar | Most of them do |
| 17:06.36 | Kraps_w | "Humans are, at their core, good creatures" |
| 17:06.43 | Dagmar | The cops will generally turn a blind eye towards "looting" of things that keep you from eating your neighbor |
| 17:06.54 | Kraps_w | starts a philosophical argument |
| 17:06.59 | Dagmar | Luxury items and electronics are another matter |
| 17:07.12 | karl_w_w | good and bad don't really exist |
| 17:07.48 | Kraps_w | true and false doesnt either |
| 17:07.49 | Dagmar | There's only God-Fearing Replicans, and Communists. Amirite? |
| 17:07.58 | karl_w_w | i mean good and bad people :P |
| 17:08.06 | CodeRedLin | Kraps_w: 1 and 0 |
| 17:08.08 | Dagmar | Hahah |
| 17:08.15 | Lopeppeppy | Do not give them a reason and they will not mess with you. Best rule about interacting with law enforcement I ever heard. |
| 17:08.15 | Dagmar | Oh wow there are certainly bad people |
| 17:08.34 | karl_w_w | where |
| 17:08.53 | Dagmar | Get Lifelock. THey'll email you the names and addresses of the ones that live near you |
| 17:08.55 | foxlit | Dagmar: god-fearing replicants? |
| 17:09.12 | Dagmar | foxlit: That would be far more interesting than the reality |
| 17:09.20 | Lopeppeppy | Native speakers of Ahmaric. |
| 17:09.39 | Dagmar | foxlit: By now surely you've met people who will never tell the truth when a lie will do |
| 17:10.51 | Dagmar | Michelle Malkin |
| 17:11.31 | Lopeppeppy | George washington |
| 17:11.49 | karl_w_w | is a bad person? |
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| 17:12.32 | Kraps_w | he had bad teeth |
| 17:12.37 | Kraps_w | so yeah? |
| 17:12.48 | Lopeppeppy | Lied through his teeth so often that he had to get false teeth so he could say, "No I'm not lying through my teeth". |
| 17:14.14 | Lunessa | If you're familiar with someone's name because they are a pundit, op-ed writer, or political commentator - chances are you can make a convincing argument for them having a large bag of lies to distribute - no matter which political party they belong to. |
| 17:16.39 | zenzelezz | are you saying Mark Twain was a liar? |
| 17:17.13 | Lopeppeppy | Even Mark Twain says he was a liar. :P |
| 17:17.25 | Kraps_w | zenzelezz: Lunessa is saying he could be said to be |
| 17:17.44 | Kraps_w | by an anti-twainist |
| 17:17.55 | Kraps_w | but thats just un-american |
| 17:17.58 | karl_w_w | we're slowly progressing from lunessa's original proposition that humans are good creatures, to saying that everybody is bad |
| 17:18.18 | Torhal|work | karl_w_w: Only if they don't have groceries. |
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| 17:18.27 | karl_w_w | lol |
| 17:18.49 | Kraps_w | "The United States Navy is the largest navy in the world. Case in point: It has more battle fleet tonnage than the next 13 largest navies combined. The USN also has 11 full-length aircraft carriers (the Enterprise and the ten Nimitz-class carriers), which is more carriers than every other navy on earth, combined." |
| 17:18.54 | Kraps_w | nice |
| 17:18.55 | karl_w_w | only if they don't buy a hyppogryph for alabama, or something |
| 17:19.26 | Jamash | we should convert all the aircraft carriers to luxury cruise liners |
| 17:19.44 | karl_w_w | Jamash is a bad person |
| 17:19.49 | alestane | Mark Twain gave an entire essay called "On the Decay of the Art of Lying." |
| 17:19.50 | Jamash | yes |
| 17:19.56 | Jamash | I am a bad mofo |
| 17:19.59 | Dagmar | THey should sell pet rednecks |
| 17:20.05 | Kraps_w | shit, turn them into cities! |
| 17:20.06 | Torhal|work | Alabama pet proposal: http://www.wowhead.com/npc=22906 |
| 17:20.07 | Jamash | queue roy orbison |
| 17:20.28 | Kraps_w | theres room for housing, a mall etc |
| 17:20.36 | Jamash | I mean George Thorogood |
| 17:20.40 | Jamash | man I'm awake |
| 17:21.01 | Dagmar | Better yet, a little can of Milwaukee's Best that floats around behind you |
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| 17:21.31 | Lunessa | No, I'm convinced that at the base level, core, the system default, humans are good creatures. That doesn't mean they don't lie. But everyone involved in the 'guidance' of human society hasn't always been truthful and I don't think any human is above lying in a cause he believes to be noble, or of great value to himself and his fellow man. |
| 17:23.10 | alestane | Insofar as by good we mean that people will generally seek their own propserity, and typically prefer a way to do so that doesn't destroy other peoples'. |
| 17:23.57 | durcyn | i'm not convinced that self-interest is all that enlightened without some kind of consequences in place |
| 17:24.02 | Lunessa | I don't believe that humans are altruistic by nature or inclination, so yes alestane. |
| 17:24.02 | alestane | In most peoples' cases, will go a step beyond that and say that most people find helping to bolster someone else's prosperity to be rewarding. |
| 17:24.04 | Jamash | I think humans are fundamentally semiaquatic apes with delusions of grandeur |
| 17:24.10 | karl_w_w | all humans, all living things that ever were or ever will be are selfish bastards |
| 17:24.35 | Lopeppeppy | Golden retrievers. |
| 17:24.37 | Kraps_w | that required for living |
| 17:24.43 | Kraps_w | that is* |
| 17:24.47 | karl_w_w | every choice that every creature makes can be reduced down to serving yourself one way or another |
| 17:25.00 | karl_w_w | theres nothing good or bad about it |
| 17:25.06 | karl_w_w | thats just the way it is |
| 17:25.19 | Lunessa | Do not be too proud of this philosophical terror you have created, Nitzche. The Abyss is insignificant compared to the power of the Force. |
| 17:25.40 | Jamash | "The universe is run by the complex interweaving of three elements: energy, matter, and enlightened self interest." |
| 17:25.57 | Kraps_w | http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/UsefulNotes/YanksWithTanks |
| 17:26.21 | Lopeppeppy | cows with guns |
| 17:26.26 | zenzelezz | that's a great song |
| 17:26.45 | alestane | That's not quite true; any pattern that tends to perpetuate itself will endure over those that don't. These patterns are usually larger than what we regard as individuals; hence the development of things like the willingness to sacrifice one's own life for the perpetuation of a group. |
| 17:26.55 | zenzelezz | "We will fight for bovine freedom... and hold our large heads high" |
| 17:27.22 | Jamash | that's the fundamental concept behind memetics, as I understand it |
| 17:27.27 | alestane | Farmer Brown, he's on crack... |
| 17:28.23 | zenzelezz | repetitive patterns don't always stick around, just look at the Windows background patternt hing |
| 17:28.30 | zenzelezz | *pattern thing |
| 17:28.30 | Kraps_w | "The Abrams is powered by a jet engine" |
| 17:28.33 | Kraps_w | wat |
| 17:28.41 | zenzelezz | Kraps_w: which Abrams, the tank? |
| 17:28.44 | Jamash | just as RNA/DNA are the basis of biological heredity, spoken/written language are the basis of memetic heredity |
| 17:28.46 | Kraps_w | yeah |
| 17:28.52 | Jamash | oh you didn't know that? |
| 17:28.58 | Kraps_w | no? |
| 17:29.02 | Dagmar | Oh, I've got it. A miniature human in bib overalls that when you click on him either belches or hums the first few bars of 'Freebird' |
| 17:29.46 | zenzelezz | "Honeywell AGT1500C multi-fuel turbine engine 1,500 shp (1,120 kW)" according to Wikipedia |
| 17:30.02 | Lopeppeppy | Run cows, run. |
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| 17:30.59 | alestane | No, zenzelezz, but when they removed ClipIt, there were people who called up demanding to know where it had gone. |
| 17:31.02 | zenzelezz | I do assume all of you have heard Tom Lehrer's "Cows with guns" |
| 17:31.14 | Jamash | ...no? |
| 17:31.26 | Lopeppeppy | Please, do look it up... hilarious!! |
| 17:31.30 | Jamash | I've heard The Hunting Song |
| 17:31.34 | Lopeppeppy | Not safe for work, but hilarious. |
| 17:31.40 | zenzelezz | for a math teacher, Lehrer's got some awesome songs |
| 17:32.50 | karl_w_w | do you mean he's a maths teacher, or only maths teachers will enjoy them? :P |
| 17:32.55 | Jamash | ah, no wonder; "Cows with Guns" is not actually by Lehrer |
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| 17:33.26 | zenzelezz | karl_w_w: he was a math teacher |
| 17:33.32 | alestane | Lehrer was a mathematics professor. |
| 17:33.37 | Dagmar | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQynViAF6Ds |
| 17:33.40 | zenzelezz | Jamash: really? Interesting, from his age I assume he was the originator |
| 17:33.46 | zenzelezz | *assumed |
| 17:34.14 | Jamash | I've noticed that any parody song by some obscure artist will get attributed to Lehrer or Weird Al depending on style/age |
| 17:35.02 | Kraps_w | Detractors claim that the trend of recent wars (specifically, the success of the whole "asymmetrical warfare" thing) means there will never be a need for an air-superiority fighter ever again... so why are we spending gajillions of dollars on aircraft that will basically never accomplish the goal it was designed for? |
| 17:36.09 | Jamash | because welfare is ok for "defense" contractors but not for poor people |
| 17:36.52 | zenzelezz | Jamash: some very inexhaustive searching does seem to suggest you're right; I must've been misled. My copy of the song was labelled with his name |
| 17:37.06 | Jamash | Lehrer always plays the piana |
| 17:37.08 | zenzelezz | either way, the song rocks; and he had many other good ones :) |
| 17:37.09 | Jamash | *piano |
| 17:37.48 | zenzelezz | "Pollution" is another favourite of mine |
| 17:39.02 | Kraps_w | also, the A-10 is so badass, that "The Air Force never liked it and tried to retire it twice (before both Gulf Wars), but has given up on the notion after being proven twice (during said Gulf Wars) that for some missions, durability and firepower are more important then electronics and speed." |
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| 17:39.18 | alestane | "Not many people realize that I am in fact a mathematics teacher by profession. After all, I wouldn't want you to think that I have to do THIS for a living. |
| 17:39.24 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, I agree that durability and firepower are better than speed. |
| 17:39.43 | zenzelezz | naughty |
| 17:39.45 | Kraps_w | oh you peppy :D |
| 17:39.51 | alestane | "I don't have to do this you, you know; I could be making, oh, $20,000 a year just teaching." |
| 17:40.15 | Jamash | I think it was originally $4000 |
| 17:40.47 | alestane | I was trying to find the quote, and the version of New Math that I have doesn't seem to contain it. |
| 17:41.06 | foxlit | It's not New Math |
| 17:41.12 | foxlit | Lobachevsky. |
| 17:41.19 | alestane | That would be why, then. |
| 17:41.28 | alestane | That's on cassette somewhere |
| 17:41.41 | Lopeppeppy | What? I adore the modern grenade launcher machine guns. |
| 17:42.12 | Jamash | like the 8-Ball in Unreal? |
| 17:42.36 | Dagmar | Jamash: you seem to be mistaken about the nature of the complaint. They're not angry about handouts... They're angry about handouts that aren't being given to them. |
| 17:42.49 | Lopeppeppy | It was featured on a show with a title like Modern Warfare or Modern Weaponry or something. It's amazing. Different shotgun shells based on whether you want wall-piercing, star shells for night vision, etc. I drool over that weapon. |
| 17:43.15 | Jamash | oh I've seen GE's astroturf campaign begging to be given a contract for an engine nobody wants |
| 17:44.06 | Dagmar | I know what we need to do about astroturfing... |
| 17:44.12 | Dagmar | Lynch the people doing it. |
| 17:44.12 | Jamash | so I found out my 1TB disk is under warranty, yay |
| 17:44.23 | Jamash | nah, lynch the corporation |
| 17:44.30 | Lopeppeppy | Ooh! Free Astroturf for the back of everyone's pickup trucks! |
| 17:44.35 | Dagmar | Nah. Lynch the people doing it. THey don't really exist anyway |
| 17:44.50 | Jamash | that sounds ineffective |
| 17:45.20 | Lopeppeppy | Who said what we did had to be effective? |
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| 17:45.25 | Dagmar | Just, whoever we catch at it, drag them out into the yard, set them on fire, adn then plant a sign saying "Here lies stevegibbons23--absolutely not James Maple--he will be sorely missed by his employer" |
| 17:46.48 | Dagmar | 'cuz at the rate things are going, and taking into account that no agency is doing a thing about it, some of these companies will have more pro-bloggers than the population of the entire Unites States in a few more years |
| 17:47.09 | Dagmar | Hell, even the cell phone companies are paying people to shill their own forums now |
| 17:47.20 | Jamash | first thing we do is kill all the corporations |
| 17:47.35 | alestane | Discorporate them. |
| 17:47.54 | Lopeppeppy | Discorporate, discorporate! |
| 17:48.00 | Dagmar | That is not dead which can eternal lie, and with strange aeons, even AT&T may die. |
| 17:48.26 | Jamash | AT&T is like c'thun, you can kill it but it comes back |
| 17:49.19 | Fisker | previously on your mom Jamash |
| 17:49.20 | Dagmar | I would have thought by now the FTC would have curb-stomped a few companies. |
| 17:49.30 | Dagmar | If mean, if you're paying employees to lie--that's pretty much fraud. |
| 17:50.25 | Lopeppeppy | Nah, it's advertising and marketing! |
| 17:50.44 | Jamash | in ages past the Titans passed a mighty anti-trust ruling against the Old Gods fragmenting them into... fragments, but in the aeons since, they have reformed themselves into monopolies stronger than ever |
| 17:51.27 | Dagmar | Lopeppeppy: apparently it's not because those same lies in a newspaper ad would have the FTC needing to hire seasonal labor to help with all the cornholing |
| 17:51.56 | Jamash | silly Dagmar, laws are for little people |
| 17:52.12 | Dagmar | No, vigilantism is for little people. |
| 17:52.21 | Fisker | hey Lopeppeppy |
| 17:52.23 | Jamash | no, vigilantism is for batman |
| 17:52.23 | Fisker | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
| 17:52.35 | Lopeppeppy | Little people can't reach the pedals in the Batmobile. |
| 17:52.41 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Fisker. |
| 17:52.46 | Dagmar | Laws are things coroporations use to screw over little people |
| 17:53.40 | Jamash | that's what I meant; laws only apply to little people |
| 17:54.37 | alestane | Actually, laws are formulated by any group to protect itself. Otherwise one only needs despots. |
| 17:54.44 | Jamash | because corporations have all the rights of people with none of the responsibilities |
| 17:54.53 | alestane | But big people, as a general rule, can put more weight behind their laws. |
| 17:54.57 | Dagmar | New mail! Subj: "Now available: Sprint integration with Google Voice" |
| 17:54.59 | Dagmar | *squirt* |
| 17:55.02 | Jamash | taxes? optional |
| 17:55.30 | Fisker | squirt? |
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| 17:56.50 | Kraps_w | "Because any unit smaller than a vessel wouldn't make sense in the navy, navy sizes are given in ships rather than personnel." |
| 17:57.02 | Jamash | dude in a kayak |
| 17:57.14 | Jamash | with NUCLEAR MISSILES |
| 17:57.26 | Lopeppeppy | Where are your nuclear wessels? |
| 17:57.26 | Fisker | i once had a nuke in my pants |
| 17:57.42 | Jamash | cool story brofisker |
| 17:58.07 | Fisker | not so cool story brojamash |
| 17:58.27 | Jamash | you know what the best idea ever is? using a rocket launcher on an enemy that's 3' away |
| 17:59.12 | alestane | Jamash: Sounds like Snow Crash. |
| 17:59.27 | Jamash | sure, why not |
| 18:00.14 | alestane | Dude in a kayak takes over a nuclear submarine, that's part of the setup. |
| 18:00.24 | Jamash | they should make a snow crash mmo, and then in the mmo you could log on to the mmo so you can game while you game |
| 18:01.54 | Dagmar | Cheating allowed for actual hackers |
| 18:02.14 | alestane | The thing about corporations is that they AREN'T self-existent entities. When you bitch about some thing "a corporation" does, you are bitching about a bunch of people executing on the decision of a few people, using the resources of many more people. |
| 18:02.32 | Dagmar | That kinda doesn't even matter |
| 18:02.40 | TC-Laptop | Ackis: how is universe sandbox? |
| 18:03.04 | Dagmar | Large corporations can easily make complex decisions involving a number of different departments so that no one party can really be blamed for the result |
| 18:03.19 | Dagmar | Every step of the way, making their decisions based on "shareholder interest" |
| 18:03.19 | alestane | The real lesson is that blind collectivism has a tendency to steamroller disorganized action (much like legionnaires against tribalism). |
| 18:03.20 | Jamash | which ant is responsible for the behavior of the colony? |
| 18:03.50 | Jamash | and don't say the yellow one or I'll shoot you with my spider laser |
| 18:03.56 | Dagmar | A corporation is capable of setting up an abattoir to deal with a surplus of starving homeless people |
| 18:04.27 | alestane | As long as a bigger fish that objects to such things doesn't find out, yes. |
| 18:04.36 | Jamash | anyone? |
| 18:05.13 | alestane | There's a crazy idea; give the state a non-controlling interest in every corporate entity, so that everyone is technically a shareholder. |
| 18:05.24 | Dagmar | This is how a bank can declare it needs free money because it overspent and has to change people's interests rates down in order to both pay their bills and not have to foreclose on anyone, and then not actually change any interest rates and still foreclose on everyone possible |
| 18:05.30 | Jamash | https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Simant |
| 18:05.39 | alestane | Probably wouldn't function in practice, but... |
| 18:05.50 | Fisker | haste |
| 18:05.54 | Fisker | damnit i need halp |
| 18:06.04 | Jamash | halps Fisker |
| 18:06.05 | Dagmar | The solution? Vigilantism |
| 18:06.08 | Fisker | no! |
| 18:06.17 | Jamash | Remember, remember, the fifth of november |
| 18:06.35 | Fisker | V for Fisker |
| 18:06.49 | Dagmar | If the norm changes to members of upper management being abducted, charbroiled, and served to the homeless... things would change quickly |
| 18:07.16 | alestane | Assuming that you, too, can do it sufficiently quietly. |
| 18:07.30 | Fisker | haste |
| 18:07.36 | Dagmar | I could sell recordings of the screaming online and make a mint |
| 18:07.37 | Fisker | haste me haste i need your haste :( |
| 18:07.40 | haste | no |
| 18:07.43 | Fisker | yus! |
| 18:07.48 | Fisker | so |
| 18:07.50 | alestane | Otherwise, the corporate leaders won't be the only ones calling for your weregild. |
| 18:08.00 | Fisker | if you have some kind of foreground application running in an ssh session |
| 18:08.06 | Dagmar | THat's different from what they already do in what way? |
| 18:08.07 | Fisker | and your ssh application exited/crashed |
| 18:08.12 | Fisker | can you get that application back? :( |
| 18:08.19 | Jamash | Bam to behold, a public bulletin board, built of both brilliance and barbarity by bastards with boners. This bastion, no mere bulwark of boredom, is a brutal barrage of blistering bullshit, barely benevolent⦠|
| 18:08.24 | haste | no |
| 18:08.29 | Fisker | linux sucks |
| 18:08.30 | Dagmar | You invent something that threatens their business model, they send lawyers to eat you |
| 18:08.31 | haste | unless you also used screen/tmux/dtach |
| 18:08.36 | Fisker | you know if i used windows? |
| 18:08.41 | Fisker | I could just have alt-tab'd |
| 18:08.43 | Fisker | bam |
| 18:08.48 | Jamash | ...but behind the bigotry and boobs, beyond the bitter broadcasts of bragging buffoons: here be the body politic. A brotherhood of blasphemy, blessed with more balls than brains, battling the bland, the bogus, the benign. Bedlam? Bring it on. But I babble⦠better to be brief. You may call me /b/. |
| 18:08.49 | haste | not in cmd.exe! |
| 18:09.40 | Fisker | cmd isn't good enough to run the operating system |
| 18:09.41 | Fisker | bash is :P |
| 18:09.46 | Fisker | (well evidently not) |
| 18:10.10 | Dagmar | If a board of directors does something that threatens the general populace, we should sent chefs to eat them. |
| 18:10.11 | haste | needs more screen/tmux/dtach! |
| 18:10.32 | alestane | That's called a "class action suit." |
| 18:10.41 | Dagmar | alestane: Doesn't work. |
| 18:10.55 | Dagmar | alestane: See also recent HP/nVidia lawsuit |
| 18:11.02 | Jamash | http://images.cosplay.com/photos/66/665219.jpg <------ |
| 18:11.04 | Dagmar | nVidia actually poured money into it |
| 18:11.20 | alestane | Typically moves an amount of money insignificant to the defendant primarily into the pockets of lawyers in practice, sadly. |
| 18:11.27 | Dagmar | The lawyers took 90% of it and gave the people with dodgy $2000 laptops a nice $330 replacement |
| 18:12.21 | sylvanaar | tortoisegit is so fail :( |
| 18:12.25 | Jamash | media ownership reform and political finance reform imo |
| 18:12.34 | Jamash | s/tortoise// |
| 18:12.37 | Dagmar | If we want to see substantial change... a few people are just going to have to get eatren |
| 18:12.59 | Jamash | thanks hannibal |
| 18:13.08 | alestane | That devil is very much in the details, Jamash. Remember that most of the reform will be done by people who benefitted substantially from the old system. |
| 18:13.31 | Jamash | I didn't say it would be easy |
| 18:13.45 | Dagmar | Those goddamn turtles are up to no good...always have been. |
| 18:13.57 | Jamash | part of the process is to turf out as many of the old boys as possible |
| 18:14.10 | Kraps_w | build a turtle fence |
| 18:14.17 | Dagmar | Preferably with mayo and a side of chips |
| 18:14.24 | Jamash | turtles are aquatic, tortoises are land-based |
| 18:15.28 | alestane | "...there is nothing more difficult to carry out, nor more doubtful of success, nor more dangerous to handle, than to initiate a new order of things. For the reformer makes enemies of all those who profit by the old order, and only lukewarm defenders in all those who would profit by the new order..." |
| 18:15.50 | mikma | http://i.imgur.com/ESk9L.jpg |
| 18:15.51 | Jamash | thanks jeff |
| 18:16.06 | Fisker | damnit haste |
| 18:16.07 | Fisker | this is linux |
| 18:16.10 | Fisker | it must be possible |
| 18:16.39 | Jamash | you have to reverse the polarity of the cluon flow |
| 18:16.54 | Fisker | i already did |
| 18:17.15 | haste | Fisker: no, the process is killed when the ssh session is terminated |
| 18:17.25 | Jamash | ^ |
| 18:17.43 | Fisker | what process is? |
| 18:18.03 | Kraps_w | ssh kills Fisker |
| 18:18.08 | haste | the one you had started in your ssh session outside of screen/tmux/dtach! |
| 18:18.09 | Jamash | the shell and anything running in the shell |
| 18:18.25 | Fisker | no it isn't haste |
| 18:18.29 | Fisker | else i wouldn't be asking |
| 18:18.35 | haste | jobs |
| 18:18.51 | Fisker | steve jobs |
| 18:18.57 | haste | as in the command :P |
| 18:19.01 | Fisker | i know |
| 18:19.13 | Fisker | it isn't there, it wasn't launched with screen/tmux/dtach |
| 18:19.29 | haste | ps ux | grep [n]ame # yields? |
| 18:19.37 | haste | where you replace name with the process name obviously :P |
| 18:19.49 | Jamash | obvitusely |
| 18:19.52 | Fisker | of what i was running? |
| 18:19.59 | haste | jfr |
| 18:20.02 | haste | yes* |
| 18:20.08 | Fisker | i already did that |
| 18:20.14 | Fisker | otherwise i wouldn't be knowing it was running :P |
| 18:20.25 | Fisker | root 22557 0.0 0.7 15172 3924 pts/1 Ss+ 11:24 0:00 |
| 18:20.25 | Fisker | etc. |
| 18:21.17 | Fisker | chvt doesn't want to change between pseudoterminals either ;_; |
| 18:22.38 | Jamash | I'm wondering if /proc/22557 contains any useful wizardry |
| 18:23.07 | Fisker | idk |
| 18:24.13 | haste | you can abuse gdb it seems |
| 18:24.24 | Jamash | sounds plausible |
| 18:24.41 | haste | http://superuser.com/questions/50058/after-the-fact-remote-nohup-with-tcsh/50077#50077 |
| 18:25.08 | Jamash | what's the lost command? |
| 18:26.34 | Dagmar | fiskersmind.tcl |
| 18:26.55 | Fisker | :( |
| 18:28.58 | Kraps_w | 404 |
| 18:29.12 | Fisker | :( |
| 18:29.26 | Arrowmaster | $ disown Fisker |
| 18:30.08 | Kraps_w | ~kill /Fisker |
| 18:30.08 | purl | ACTION shoots a charged electron gun at /Fisker |
| 18:31.50 | alestane | Pretty telling indicator about business culture right there (from a slide I'm editing for a client): "Operational Measurements: What is The Main Goal of your company? To Make Money! What Happens to your company if it does not make money? You Lose!" |
| 18:32.24 | Kraps_w | its true! |
| 18:36.29 | Fisker | i saw what you did there Arrowmaster |
| 18:36.32 | olafski | nothing wrong with that I'd say |
| 18:37.01 | olafski | mm these winterspring cubs are selling quite well |
| 18:41.55 | Fisker | haste |
| 18:41.57 | Dagmar | Alestane: Modern version... "WHat happens to your company if it does not make money? It seeks additional rounds of VC funding!" |
| 18:41.58 | Fisker | i fixed it |
| 18:42.06 | Fisker | all you had to do was make a user named "Chuck Norris" |
| 18:42.11 | Fisker | Then it worked |
| 18:43.11 | Dagmar | Doh. DOn't look now but Ec2 might have fallen over agaibn |
| 18:47.39 | karl_w_w | "Due to unforeseen issues encountered while performing upgrades on select realms, the following realms will be undergoing extended maintenance:" <- Pretty sure I foresaw them |
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| 18:49.43 | alestane | The exact issues? |
| 18:52.12 | Dagmar | Players still sound whiny and stupid over built-in voice chat |
| 18:53.22 | Dagmar | ALso level 85 make up is getting in the LFD queue and making a mess |
| 18:54.55 | Kraps_w | eh? |
| 18:55.13 | Dagmar | Rouge. |
| 18:55.32 | Jamash | my realm is down, Q_Q |
| 18:55.40 | karl_w_w | so apparently can not access sopcast service |
| 18:56.05 | Kraps_w | level 85 Rouge is what? |
| 18:56.14 | karl_w_w | making a mess |
| 18:56.24 | Jamash | second base! |
| 18:56.33 | Kraps_w | what does that even mean? |
| 18:56.52 | Jamash | double rainbow |
| 18:56.55 | Fisker | i once killed a guy |
| 18:57.07 | karl_w_w | lol |
| 18:57.33 | Kraps_w | i'm 12 and what is this i dont even |
| 18:58.07 | karl_w_w | omg would somebody find me a real madrid barca stream in english |
| 18:58.40 | Kraps_w | see what i did there? 2 memes in 1! |
| 19:01.18 | karl_w_w | http://www.via-sat.info/2011/04/1.html |
| 19:01.33 | karl_w_w | shame it looks terrible |
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| 19:09.56 | Fisker | anyway haste |
| 19:10.01 | Fisker | i want an eee pad transformer |
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| 19:15.27 | Kraps_w | lol @ the Steelers player that tweeted that we shouldnt celebrate osamas death because we only know one side of the story |
| 19:16.04 | Kraps_w | wheres darwin when hes needed? |
| 19:16.09 | karl_w_w | that is some sweet trolling |
| 19:16.12 | olafski | probably not a smart thing to say.. he might be right though :) |
| 19:16.37 | olafski | all of my coworkers are convinced it's all a hoax anyway :< |
| 19:17.29 | Lopeppeppy | Why celebrate death? I'm rather sick of it myself, no parties here. |
| 19:17.33 | karl_w_w | he was killed last week but they delayed the news so it didnt clash with the wedding |
| 19:18.13 | olafski | karl_w_w: my coworkers think he died years ago :P |
| 19:19.15 | Kraps_w | karl_w_w: i think the white house meant that he was killed sunday morning est |
| 19:19.30 | Kraps_w | why last week? |
| 19:20.44 | Lopeppeppy | Oiy jeebus. |
| 19:20.49 | Lopeppeppy | He walks on water! |
| 19:20.51 | Kraps_w | Lopeppeppy: i'm glad, not celebrating |
| 19:20.54 | Lopeppeppy | No, he sleeps with fishes! |
| 19:21.00 | Lopeppeppy | No. Elephants fly. |
| 19:21.55 | Arrowmaster | one channel had a timeline saying the president gave the final ok at 4pm eastern on the 1st and the raid started right after that which was just after midnight local time on the 2nd |
| 19:22.12 | Arrowmaster | are timezones the reason people think it was last week? |
| 19:22.53 | Fisker | hey Lopeppeppy |
| 19:26.17 | Lopeppeppy | Oh hi Fisker-boopsie. |
| 19:26.31 | Lopeppeppy | People will come up with any crack brain excuse to think anything they want to. |
| 19:27.46 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:28.06 | Kraps_w | thats why i play assassins creed: insane conspiracy threads without the IRL stupidity :p |
| 19:29.08 | Fisker | osama was unarmed! |
| 19:29.53 | mikma | haste: http://imgur.com/r/Minecraft/TAJeV |
| 19:30.04 | Fisker | unarmed i tell you |
| 19:30.10 | Fisker | without arms |
| 19:31.45 | haste | mikma: SO EDITED! |
| 19:31.51 | Fisker | hey haste |
| 19:32.05 | haste | hey Fisker |
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| 19:32.15 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dG9wRAVhBjk |
| 19:33.03 | Lopeppeppy | Flap 'em, baby. |
| 19:33.55 | Lunessa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOcyYyxqN_g |
| 19:34.14 | Lunessa | I've reached the top and had to stop and that's what's botherin' me! |
| 19:35.26 | alestane | I'm the king of the swingers, the jungle VIP. |
| 19:35.28 | Lopeppeppy | Don't worry. Be happy! |
| 19:35.30 | Fisker | Blizzard developement needs to be moar like chrome |
| 19:37.00 | alestane | Ugh. Someone has assembled powerpoint slides where they use a bitmap on top of an irregular background. Because the bitmap has dead space in places, they have attempted to make the background show through by rendering it into the bitmap. |
| 19:37.09 | Kraps_w | because they're like the same thing amirite Fisker |
| 19:39.17 | Lopeppeppy | People. Software. |
| 19:39.24 | Fisker | agreed with Lopeppeppy |
| 19:39.53 | alestane | Not compatible, Lopeppeppy? |
| 19:40.23 | Lopeppeppy | Compatible, but not equivalent. |
| 19:41.45 | alestane | http://xkcd.com/763/ |
| 19:43.54 | Lunessa | alestane: that sounds like someone doesn't understand layers/masks and prepping an image for publication |
| 19:44.41 | alestane | It gets better, Lunessa. The color of the background as displayed on the slide and as rendered into the bitmap don't quite match, like there was a gamut adjustment or something. |
| 19:47.03 | Lunessa | Ugh. I'm an amateur at image manipulation and even I know better. |
| 19:47.33 | Lunessa | Each little clam here, knows how to jam yeah. |
| 19:47.46 | Lopeppeppy | Yah we're in luck here down in the muck here. |
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| 19:48.45 | Lunessa | Everything's hotter, under the water. |
| 19:49.13 | olafski | kraps: wait, are you saying AC:Brotherhood is not purely based on facts? |
| 19:49.14 | Lopeppeppy | Darlin' it's better down where it's wetter, take it from me! |
| 19:50.37 | alestane | Purr, Lopeppeppy. |
| 19:52.14 | Lunessa | That's a thought that just flows naturally from my original starting point. ;) |
| 19:58.55 | Lopeppeppy | I am a bad, bad Peppy. Worship me and despair. |
| 19:59.04 | alestane | OH, I do. |
| 19:59.33 | Lopeppeppy | Poor thing. You should go for a walk in a flower garden to cheer yourself up. Tulips and pansies are nice this time of year. |
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| 20:00.22 | alestane | Lunessa, these are the same sorts of people who create a hanging indent by holding down the space bar at the beginning of each line until they get to the right spot. |
| 20:00.33 | alestane | strolls through Peppy's garden. |
| 20:05.43 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, you just gave me an f'ing aneurysm. |
| 20:05.50 | Lopeppeppy | Stop that. |
| 20:06.04 | alestane | What did I do this time? |
| 20:06.43 | Lopeppeppy | That thing. You just said to Lunessa. Ow. |
| 20:08.06 | Lunessa | It made me hurt enough that I decided to go bang my face against logging into a recalcitrant development machine. |
| 20:08.31 | alestane | Ah, so I exposed you to the idiocy of the layout-illiterate, which gave you an aneurysm. In that case, I apologize. |
| 20:08.33 | Lopeppeppy | See? You are a hideous brute to torture us so. |
| 20:08.47 | DWSR | I'm going to have to go with no on this one. |
| 20:08.58 | DWSR | </portal2> |
| 20:09.14 | bluspacecow | hmmmm ? |
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| 20:09.41 | DWSR | In response to the paradox. |
| 20:10.01 | alestane | I swear, we need to start teaching layout principles in high school. Far more valuable skill than crusive. |
| 20:10.04 | alestane | cursive* |
| 20:11.03 | DWSR | WTB removal of 1s GCD floor. |
| 20:11.08 | DWSR | And making ti 0.5s |
| 20:11.49 | Fisker | WTB removal of the GCD |
| 20:12.12 | DWSR | Wouldn't mind that, actually. |
| 20:19.00 | Fisker | omg haste |
| 20:19.11 | Fisker | Sid Meier sucks |
| 20:19.20 | Fisker | they translated jylland but not sjælland |
| 20:19.49 | DWSR | this is why you should play p2 |
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| 20:20.15 | alestane | http://satwcomic.com/royal-wedding *snrk* |
| 20:20.23 | haste | I would play portal 2, but the DRM cockblocks wine :D |
| 20:20.27 | kd3|netbook | yay, one final down |
| 20:20.32 | kd3|netbook | one more to go |
| 20:20.41 | kd3|netbook | grrs at classes still doing cumulative finals |
| 20:21.49 | bluspacecow | http://awesome.finda.co.nz/2011/05/04/xkcd-the-workarounds-that-users-invent/ |
| 20:22.05 | alestane | They make some sense, unless you're studying some mathematical branch or something where the material at the end simply doesn't function without the intermediate learning. |
| 20:22.05 | bluspacecow | i would play portal 2 |
| 20:22.12 | bluspacecow | but i hardly know thee ! |
| 20:23.05 | kd3|netbook | just took a linear algebra final |
| 20:23.23 | kd3|netbook | up next, software engineering |
| 20:23.39 | DWSR | bluspacecow: I'll play with you anyway. |
| 20:23.44 | DWSR | What's your steam id? |
| 20:23.55 | bluspacecow | <------ |
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| 20:24.11 | Lopeppeppy | Algebra is not, by definition, linear or algebraic. |
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| 20:26.21 | kd3|netbook | no, it was more about vector spaces and eigenvectors and solving systems of linear equations |
| 20:26.54 | kd3|netbook | s/linear// |
| 20:27.01 | DWSR | How does P2 determine which robot you are in co-op? I always seem to be Atlas? |
| 20:27.15 | bluspacecow | blue = player that invited |
| 20:27.22 | bluspacecow | orange = person that was invited |
| 20:27.24 | DWSR | ah |
| 20:27.29 | bluspacecow | so i clicked the invite |
| 20:27.33 | bluspacecow | so i'm orange |
| 20:28.21 | DWSR | I'm an asshole |
| 20:28.23 | Lopeppeppy | No! You're blue! |
| 20:28.24 | DWSR | :-P |
| 20:28.36 | alestane | paints bluspacecow orange. |
| 20:28.53 | Lopeppeppy | Cows... well-done? |
| 20:28.55 | kd3|netbook | har |
| 20:29.00 | orangespacecow | ! |
| 20:29.21 | Fisker | i hate this DLC haste |
| 20:29.25 | Fisker | it's danish dlc |
| 20:29.34 | Fisker | our perk is norwegian ski infantry |
| 20:29.36 | Fisker | NORWEGIAN?! |
| 20:29.40 | haste | :D |
| 20:29.54 | foxlit | np, it's from the future |
| 20:30.02 | foxlit | When denmark conquers norway... again? |
| 20:30.11 | Fisker | btw |
| 20:30.19 | Fisker | icecream google io |
| 20:30.21 | foxlit | also, ski infantry. wtf. |
| 20:30.22 | Fisker | also new google tv |
| 20:30.56 | Fisker | they probably saw a james bond movie foxlit |
| 20:31.34 | kd3|netbook | ski infantry? |
| 20:31.36 | kd3|netbook | o_O |
| 20:31.36 | Lopeppeppy | That song is stuck in my head, gah! |
| 20:31.54 | haste | Fisker: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_heavy_water_sabotage obviously why you need ski infantry! |
| 20:32.02 | Kraps | olafski: oh, maybe it is :/ |
| 20:33.29 | Fisker | i think imma sleep |
| 20:33.34 | Fisker | btw kd3 |
| 20:33.37 | Kraps | no Fisker |
| 20:33.37 | Fisker | going to google io? |
| 20:33.51 | kd3|netbook | nope |
| 20:34.00 | Fisker | treason |
| 20:34.28 | haste | I was planning on hitting the sack early today |
| 20:34.35 | haste | but then I remembered game of thrones |
| 20:34.42 | alestane | I was just going to tell Peppy to go home... |
| 20:34.54 | Dagmar | There's no nudity in this episode |
| 20:36.34 | Kraps | i love this one http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/temper.png |
| 20:36.59 | alestane | That was really him. |
| 20:37.54 | alestane | An amazing man who genuinely committed his life to the overwhelming power of unconditional love. |
| 20:39.42 | Kraps | alestane: did you see the video of him asking congress for funding? he speaks for 5 minutes and the senator goes from "meh" to "OMG <33333333" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXEuEUQIP3Q |
| 20:39.43 | Dagmar | A man utterly unaware that anyone else in his position would be recieving visits from the cops on a bi-weekly basis. |
| 20:40.04 | alestane | I did see that, Kraps, yes. |
| 20:58.54 | Kraps | "Whenever he was asked to castigate non-Christians or gays for their differing beliefs, he would instead face them and say, with sincerity, "God loves you just the way you are." Often this provoked ire from fundamentalists." bahahaha |
| 20:59.47 | Dagmar | Hence why the no visits from cops |
| 21:04.20 | alestane | His whole life was a statement to the effect that "I have no excuse not to be the most generous, tolerant, prosperous person that I can be." And the truly amazing part is that he never voiced the unspoken question: "So what's your excuse?" |
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| 21:07.30 | alestane | "I also believe that kids can spot a phony a mile away." <- truth. |
| 21:10.03 | Arrowmaster | somebody is asking me why theres no professional league for gears of war and mw2 |
| 21:12.14 | zenzelezz | Arrowmaster: what did you tell him? |
| 21:12.36 | Arrowmaster | tried explaining that 'professional gamers' wont play games that dont have dedicated servers |
| 21:12.52 | Arrowmaster | without using the words 'whinny immature bitches' |
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| 21:13.19 | Yusdan | Hey you can click the entire lightwell now! |
| 21:13.24 | Dagmar | How about "because it's a fucking video game, mate" |
| 21:14.13 | Dagmar | It's practically a miracle there's people who can say "professional gamer" with a straight face. Expecting all games to have those people is just silly |
| 21:14.29 | Lunessa | alestane: Because uttering that as a question would reduce him from the example he was trying to embody. |
| 21:15.03 | Dagmar | Yep |
| 21:15.07 | alestane | I don't dispute it, Lunessa. I simply say that that level of committment to what he wanted to be was that much more amazing. |
| 21:15.22 | Dagmar | Closest thing to a damn saint the world has seen in decades |
| 21:15.59 | Lunessa | I concur. He was admirable, but a little creepy because it was so hard to be totally comfortable with that level of accpetance. |
| 21:17.17 | alestane | You're right that he couldn't have called anyone out or demanded more from people, when his eternal and undeniable message was "I love you just the way you are." |
| 21:17.26 | alestane | He lived it instead. |
| 21:18.08 | Kraps | Dagmar: join me in my (non-existent) crusade to get SC2 matches on ESPN |
| 21:18.21 | Dagmar | no thanks |
| 21:18.30 | Dagmar | That kinda crap takes the fun out of video games too fast for me |
| 21:18.55 | Lunessa | An amusing thought occurred to me. Wouldn't it be humorous if Fred Rogers were the second coming of Christ? |
| 21:19.12 | Dagmar | What it would not be is suprising |
| 21:19.32 | Arrowmaster | if you cant get certain Olympic sports aired on tv during the Olympics, what makes you think you can get any games aired on a normal channel |
| 21:19.33 | Kraps | but he dead :( |
| 21:19.42 | Dagmar | Give him some time |
| 21:19.55 | Dagmar | If he's been here twice there'll be a third |
| 21:20.53 | foxlit | how many amusing videos of cannon rushes failing horribly can there be? |
| 21:22.20 | Lunessa | Kraps - the humor in the situation is that Fred Rogers was this very good person, who tried to teach kindness and respect to his fellow man. He embodied the Christian ideal - and no one really paid him that much attention, and now he's gone. |
| 21:22.37 | Arrowmaster | did some CoD map pack just come out? im getting tons of questions about not being able to redeem codes |
| 21:23.09 | kd3|netbook | whoa, what the? when did I put tracks from the evangelion soundtrack on my phone? |
| 21:23.38 | Arrowmaster | why would you put the eva soundtrack on your phone? |
| 21:23.52 | kd3|netbook | that's what I'm trying to figure out |
| 21:24.01 | alestane | I don't know that no-one paid attention, Lunessa. We didn't always see it, because he spent most of his time doing just what he meant to, addressing children. |
| 21:24.10 | kd3|netbook | heard "Rei I" and creeped the hell out for 30 seconds before realizing why |
| 21:24.57 | Lunessa | alestane: True, but there was no fan-fare, no mass religious hysteria. Just... I guess the joke is only funny to me. |
| 21:24.58 | alestane | smoogles Cairenn. |
| 21:25.14 | Cairenn | hugs alestane |
| 21:27.33 | Kraps | foxlit: just tournaments, not all the time, like the poker tourny or such |
| 21:27.34 | kd3|netbook | and wow, the distant worlds: music from final fantasy tour is coming back to atlanta this weekend |
| 21:28.03 | foxlit | Kraps: hey, I'm not objecting |
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| 21:30.35 | foxlit | There's enough pointless programming on tv that SC tournaments may as well be there too |
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| 21:30.53 | Kraps | heh |
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| 21:32.00 | foxlit | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mPGYeuU2Oc |
| 21:33.35 | kd3|netbook | http://www.atlantasymphony.org/Calendar/2010/Final-Fantasy.aspx |
| 21:33.41 | kd3|netbook | (yes, I know it says 2010) |
| 21:33.45 | foxlit | In unrelated news, <3 new USB stick. 22MB/s writes are awesome |
| 21:34.48 | Fisker | slaps kd3|netbook around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:35.29 | Fisker | my SD card transfers faster than that foxlit |
| 21:35.45 | foxlit | Your SD card doesn't fit into my USB slot |
| 21:35.53 | Fisker | it does actually |
| 21:35.54 | Fisker | i tried |
| 21:36.11 | Fisker | well it's a microsd card of course |
| 21:45.58 | alestane | Not sure why I find the intro to "Love is a Social Disease" so amusing. |
| 21:46.20 | Seerah | Torhal, Torhal|work: what flew up Fithin's butt on wowace? o.O |
| 21:46.27 | Seerah | someone may wish to take care of that ^^ |
| 21:46.39 | Torhal|work | Seerah: Forums? |
| 21:46.42 | Torhal|work | looks. |
| 21:46.43 | Seerah | yeah |
| 21:46.58 | Seerah | follow his link |
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| 21:48.28 | Torhal|work | Meh. That's the second time in almost three years that I've banned someone. |
| 21:49.06 | Kraps | http://satwcomic.com/ is neat |
| 21:50.29 | alestane | Later peeps. |
| 21:50.35 | Seerah | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:50.44 | orangespacecow | *fondles* |
| 21:52.38 | Torhal|work | Seerah: Long story short, the guy goes from zero AddOns to six within two days. I investigate and find that one belongs to someone else and was released under ARR. I mark the rest as Under Review. The guy moves some variables and functions around and re-submits calling it a re-write. Ackis then marks the rest as Changes Required, "Torhal will be taking care of these." |
| 21:52.47 | Torhal|work | You see the rest of the story. |
| 21:53.02 | Seerah | lol |
| 21:53.19 | Seerah | I figured he did something stupid |
| 21:53.29 | Kraps | link! |
| 21:55.14 | Seerah | he basically spammed a post across 5 forums on wowace linking to his new addon to "make you 1000s of gold legally" or somesuch. if you go to the curseforge page for the addon, the only text there was that Torhal was..... something about twisted panties.... |
| 21:55.29 | Torhal|work | Heh. |
| 21:56.32 | Torhal|work | Actually, the name of his "AddOn" was "Torhal is a 2bit pantywaist hack" |
| 21:56.43 | Seerah | ah, that's what it was |
| 21:56.49 | Lunessa | Torhal|work: Wait... pics plx. |
| 21:57.02 | Seerah | you want to see his panties? |
| 21:57.04 | Torhal|work | ROFL |
| 21:57.07 | Lunessa | I'm figuring a shot of you in panties would be worth a lot of laughs. |
| 21:57.11 | Kraps | yeah, inquiring minds want to know if its true |
| 21:57.26 | Torhal|work | Sorry, guys - all I have is the hair. |
| 21:57.43 | Seerah | it's so long, maybe that's all he wears... o.O |
| 21:57.48 | Torhal|work | Hahaha |
| 21:58.02 | Lunessa | Torhal, pulling a Lady Godiva with his beard and long hair flowing in the wind... I'm sure that |
| 21:58.07 | Lunessa | is worth some laughs |
| 21:58.42 | Torhal|work | Especially since everyone calls me Jesus. |
| 21:59.06 | Lunessa | I'm going to call you Fred Rogers then. |
| 21:59.30 | Torhal|work | Hah |
| 22:00.08 | Adys | Mikk: poke |
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| 22:00.27 | Torhal|work | Now I'm kinda sad that I IP-banned him. He could have been quite amusing. |
| 22:01.02 | Torhal|work | Seerah: Danke, BTW |
| 22:01.12 | Seerah | yw :) |
| 22:01.18 | Seerah | bitte |
| 22:05.37 | Kraps | that comic is quite educational heh |
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| 22:07.05 | bluspacecow | "member:Torhal, pulling a Lady Godiva with his beard and long hair flowing in the wind... I'm sure that" <---- i laughed so hard snot come out my nose ! |
| 22:07.32 | DWSR | bluspacecow: That was fun btw. |
| 22:07.42 | bluspacecow | thanks! |
| 22:07.47 | bluspacecow | enjoy ya din dins |
| 22:08.10 | DWSR | First portal was still pretty lulzy. |
| 22:08.16 | DWSR | SMASH YOURSELF INTO YOUR PARTNER TO STOP YOURSELF |
| 22:08.24 | DWSR | s/portal/puzzle/ |
| 22:08.54 | bluspacecow | lolz |
| 22:09.01 | DWSR | anyway |
| 22:09.04 | DWSR | Dog walk and then raids. |
| 22:09.06 | DWSR | bbl |
| 22:09.56 | Torhal|work | I are going home! |
| 22:10.04 | Lopeppeppy | Ah, my favorite recent horrible movie, The Sorceror's Apprentice. |
| 22:12.52 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: Watched that not too long ago. Awful movie, but some cool effects. |
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| 22:14.03 | Lopeppeppy | I mean, "The Prime Merlinian?" Give me a break. *laugh* |
| 22:14.12 | Lopeppeppy | But yes, it has some pretty, therefore I will watch it again. |
| 22:15.34 | Arrowmaster | i liked it |
| 22:16.34 | Lopeppeppy | Yes or no, check the box! *giggle* |
| 22:17.05 | bluspacecow | *waits for boobage* |
| 22:17.32 | bluspacecow | ^^ |
| 22:17.35 | Lunessa | I liked the steel eagle thing. |
| 22:17.51 | Lunessa | But there were no boobs in that Disney movie. |
| 22:18.02 | Lunessa | At least, none on display. |
| 22:18.10 | bluspacecow | :( |
| 22:18.14 | Kraps | http://satwcomic.com/awesome-hats |
| 22:18.32 | bluspacecow | you went yes or no |
| 22:18.43 | bluspacecow | my boobage comment was to say "which ever wahy the boobs swing" |
| 22:19.02 | Lopeppeppy | Nope, no real boobs to see. |
| 22:19.18 | bluspacecow | i mean which ever way the boobs point |
| 22:19.29 | bluspacecow | 'cause swinging boobs ? Do not want. |
| 22:19.40 | Lunessa | ... |
| 22:19.45 | Lopeppeppy | Reminds me so much of the opening of The Neverending Story. |
| 22:20.24 | Cairenn | >.< |
| 22:20.30 | bluspacecow | hmmmmm ? |
| 22:20.33 | bluspacecow | oh oh |
| 22:20.37 | bluspacecow | i'm in trouble |
| 22:20.40 | bluspacecow | *hides* |
| 22:20.42 | Lopeppeppy | I'm kind of ignoring bluspacecow right now, yup, 'cause he's uneducated. |
| 22:21.24 | Cairenn | Blu|Hiding: I resemble that remark :p |
| 22:21.36 | Blu|Hiding | O_O |
| 22:21.42 | Blu|Hiding | oh noes ! she sees me ! |
| 22:21.50 | Lopeppeppy | 'cause I bet he *wants* the spanking I want to dish out! |
| 22:22.05 | Lopeppeppy | However, I will fantasize about Nicholas Cage's eyes instead. |
| 22:22.22 | Cairenn | mmmm |
| 22:22.35 | Lopeppeppy | Yuppers. Best thing about his acting. |
| 22:22.57 | Lunessa | is trying really hard not to say things that might get him into trouble... |
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| 22:23.42 | Cairenn | arches an eyebrow and dares Lunessa |
| 22:23.48 | Lopeppeppy | Yuh-huh, I just bet. *rolls eyes* Go for it, big boy. |
| 22:23.53 | Lopeppeppy | Make. My. Millenium. |
| 22:23.55 | Cairenn | ^^ |
| 22:24.19 | Lunessa | I'll settle for letting you ladies swing anything you like. |
| 22:24.25 | Blu|Hiding | *gets in dog house* |
| 22:24.28 | Cairenn | swings her hips |
| 22:24.29 | Blu|Hiding | *gets popcorn* |
| 22:24.39 | Lopeppeppy | Nice save right there, Lunessa. And Blue. |
| 22:24.44 | Cairenn | indeed |
| 22:25.54 | Lopeppeppy | No wonder I watch Disney movies for entertainment. |
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| 22:28.17 | Lunessa | I like the animated ones best. |
| 22:29.02 | Torhal | Foof? |
| 22:29.32 | Lopeppeppy | Anything with subtitles so I don't have to blast it out over whatever noise is in the complex every evening. |
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| 22:37.47 | Lunessa | Holy crap. I hate getting a call from whiny entitled people who are trying to get me to do their assignment/work for them. |
| 22:38.12 | Lopeppeppy | And it was due at 4pm today too, wasn't it? |
| 22:38.31 | A-KO | If any of you use linode, they announced native ipv6 today |
| 22:38.37 | Blu|Hiding | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ivYd2NDRvc |
| 22:39.20 | Lunessa | Part of their assignment is to upload a file to a repository. The system is VERY easy to use. "Click, select file, click upload button" done. |
| 22:40.23 | Lunessa | And I hear this "I don't know how to dooooooo this. I have a fiiiiiiiiiinal to do, I don't have tiiiiiiiiiime for this." All in that tone which really means "Do this for me, so I don't have to." Lady, you're studying to be a teacher. I weep for your future students. |
| 22:40.25 | Blu|Hiding | and they cant even do that ? |
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| 22:41.10 | foxlit | A-KO: "A single IPv6 address can be assigned to your Linode for free." |
| 22:41.14 | Lunessa | It was pure agony listening to her. |
| 22:41.17 | foxlit | What's this IPv6 address shortage? |
| 22:41.37 | Lopeppeppy | Hold my hand, every step of the way, omg. |
| 22:41.49 | Hirsute_ | foxlit: Something that won't happen for years yet. |
| 22:42.09 | foxlit | Then why can't they assign me a metric bazillion of IPv6 addresses? |
| 22:42.24 | Hirsute | Because relatively few people are using them yet? |
| 22:42.41 | Hirsute | (including ISPs) |
| 22:43.03 | foxlit | I don't see how that's relevant :) |
| 22:43.37 | Hirsute | If they don't use them, they can't very well assign you one, particularly if they haven't bothered to purchase any blocks from ICANN yet |
| 22:43.45 | Hirsute | :p |
| 22:44.12 | foxlit | But obviously they can assign you one. |
| 22:44.32 | Hirsute | Well, hell, using that thinking, I can assign you one. |
| 22:45.25 | foxlit | I'm not sure what kind of thinking that is. |
| 22:45.39 | Hirsute | How can someone who doesn't own an IP address assign it to you? |
| 22:46.07 | foxlit | foxlit: A-KO: "A single IPv6 address can be assigned to your Linode for free." << You clearly missed this? :) |
| 22:46.39 | Hirsute | Yes, apparently logged on after that statement was made. |
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| 22:47.14 | foxlit | Just before, but who knows how your client handles things while you log on :) |
| 22:47.46 | foxlit | Or perhaps the order of events in my client isn't deterministic |
| 22:47.47 | Hirsute | *nod* One way or another, that statement wasn't in my back log until about... let's see. |
| 22:47.51 | Hirsute | 30 seconds ago. |
| 22:48.05 | Blu|Hiding | da boom boom ching |
| 22:48.57 | Torhal | hides Blu|Hiding under the mud. |
| 22:49.14 | Lopeppeppy | You're not hiding very quietly, Blue. I can hear you over there, giggling. |
| 22:49.29 | Blu|Hiding | *giggles* |
| 22:51.15 | Lopeppeppy | See? *tsk tsk* |
| 22:51.44 | Hirsute | Interestingly, I had to ghost someone who *wasn't* me using my nick when I logged on, I've not had to to that before... |
| 22:52.13 | Hirsute | and makes me think something really fishy is going on... |
| 22:53.08 | Lunessa | Ok, off to go grunt more boxes in my move. Ta all. |
| 22:59.43 | Lopeppeppy | Okay, now he's really hiding. :) |
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| 23:07.25 | Kraps | http://satwcomic.com/the-end-of-america |
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| 23:46.08 | DWSR | Is it possible to hide the keyring in baggins? |
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