| 00:00.20 | airtonix | Dagmar: why are people in a hurry to finish the dungeon? do they have something better to be doing? |
| 00:00.58 | Fisker | slaps airtonix around a bit with a large trout |
| 00:03.34 | Xyphoid | it's important to finish the dungeon quickly so you can get to max level and start running dungeons over and over |
| 00:05.27 | airtonix | lawl |
| 00:05.45 | airtonix | glad i don't play that game anymore |
| 00:06.04 | airtonix | 76m3c7dab2c9 |
| 00:06.15 | airtonix | :< |
| 00:06.22 | Xyphoid | hey that's the combination on my luggage |
| 00:06.45 | airtonix | its a good one isnt it |
| 00:07.01 | airtonix | it used to be my wow password |
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| 00:07.47 | Fisker | slaps airtonix around a bit with a large trout |
| 00:08.21 | airtonix | time to play with minecraft rails |
| 00:09.28 | Fisker | slaps airtonix around a bit with a large trout |
| 00:13.05 | Kraps | ????? http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2011/04/adobe-throws-in-towel-adopts-http-live-streaming-for-ios.ars |
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| 00:26.47 | kd3 | huh; I saw an ad for ie9 "advanced" and I figured it was a trojan |
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| 00:29.06 | DWSR | Anyone know who all the dragons in Nef's room are supposed to be in BWD? |
| 00:29.19 | kd3 | but it looks like it's legit considering traces go to microsoft's network |
| 00:29.21 | DWSR | I'm assuming Malygos, Keristrasza. |
| 00:29.25 | kd3 | which is amusing |
| 00:30.12 | kd3 | especially considering the title is "Make Bing you default homepage" [sic] |
| 00:34.06 | Xyphoid | i liked how the ie9 download links on MS's page went through ad network redirectors - i had them hostfiled out |
| 00:34.27 | Grouch11 | does anyone know of a library that has methods for 'Who'? wholib is so outdated that it generates numerous errors and i don't really follow the code in it enough to make any changes. |
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| 00:36.07 | Grouch11 | writing it myself is fine, but apparently there are dangers if not handled properly. |
| 00:37.24 | Grouch11 | the size of wholib leads me to believe that its more complicated than a glance would show. |
| 00:40.14 | Grouch11 | it seems like i could just add an id tag to SendWho and everything would work out fine. |
| 00:41.43 | kd3 | handling /who responses is complex and painful |
| 00:42.05 | kd3 | largely because the server's got a nasty throttle and will just ignore requests with no response a lot |
| 00:42.21 | kd3 | there's a lib somewhere that's up to date |
| 00:42.23 | kd3 | dunno which |
| 00:42.38 | DWSR | Grouch11: The throttle is very restrictive. |
| 00:42.56 | DWSR | And, as kd3 mentioned, whos return nothing a lot. |
| 00:42.58 | DWSR | For no reason. |
| 00:43.33 | Grouch11 | well as long as i setwhotoui |
| 00:43.49 | Grouch11 | then wait for the event with arg1 == my tag |
| 00:44.02 | Grouch11 | should be ok, yes? i dont need multiple queries |
| 00:44.11 | Grouch11 | just a single, with iteration over results |
| 00:44.34 | Wobin | Nechckn: I figured you'd appreciate it =) |
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| 00:45.52 | Grouch11 | kd3: id like to do what is necessary to get on this alleged diff data for ptr vs live. may i know what action need be taken? |
| 00:46.33 | kd3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:52.24 | Grouch11 | back to the preceding issue. are there other pitfalls i need be aware of with who methods aside from nil returns? if i setwhotoui and wait for wholistupdate with the tag i sent in sendwho(query, mytag) then all should be well, given that it'll never be spamming the requests. |
| 00:55.34 | kd3 | since you're not spamming requests, the potential lack of returns is the biggest issue off hand |
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| 01:52.06 | Kraps | theres some onion cooking up in here, and my eyes are all messed up |
| 01:52.59 | karl_w_w | wanna tissue? :P |
| 01:57.34 | Ingela | is player_regen_disabled the best way to find out if you're in combat or not? |
| 01:58.11 | Meorawr | Depends where you're checking and why. |
| 01:58.11 | Seerah | There is also InCombatLockdown() |
| 01:58.18 | Meorawr | InCombatLockdown() works well. |
| 01:58.39 | Seerah | if you want an event, use the one you mentioned. If you need to double-check, use the fuction. |
| 01:59.11 | Seerah | actually... there may be another event, but if you need to do anything with frames, PLAYER_REGEN_DISABLED is best |
| 01:59.55 | Seerah | ah, yep. PLAYER_ENTER_COMBAT |
| 02:00.05 | Ingela | ah ok thanks :) |
| 02:00.21 | Ingela | i basically want to add a "enable only in combat" thing |
| 02:00.27 | Ingela | so i guess incombatlockdown would be better |
| 02:00.33 | Meorawr | PLAYER_ENTER_COMBAT only fires if you enable your autoattack, doesn't it? |
| 02:00.48 | Seerah | Ingela: use PLAYER_REGEN_DISABLED |
| 02:00.50 | Ingela | i think it said so and it refered me to use player regen instead |
| 02:00.58 | Ingela | to Meorawr that is |
| 02:01.06 | Ingela | ok how come Seerah ? |
| 02:01.07 | Seerah | that way you'll know *when* you go into combat :p |
| 02:01.25 | Seerah | as I mentioned, if you need to "double-check", then you use the function. |
| 02:01.34 | Ingela | so you say it's better to fire it if i am in combat than it is to check it and then run it if i'm in combat or not? |
| 02:01.37 | Seerah | unless this is something that you wish to call all of the time. |
| 02:01.49 | Seerah | that's not what I said at all |
| 02:02.01 | Ingela | oh |
| 02:02.04 | Seerah | if PLAYER_REGEN_DISABLED fires, you're getting into combat |
| 02:02.13 | Ingela | yes! |
| 02:02.47 | Seerah | but you're not *IN* combat until PLAYER_ENTER_COMBAT fires or InCombatLocdown() returns true |
| 02:03.00 | Seerah | P_R_D is your last chance to do stuff before combat lockdown |
| 02:03.14 | kd3 | like moving/hiding/showing combat-protected frames |
| 02:03.46 | Ingela | aha i see |
| 02:04.26 | Ingela | so you can move a protected frame on P_R_D, but not in P_E_C or InCombatLockdown? |
| 02:04.33 | kd3 | yes |
| 02:04.40 | Ingela | okok, just to make it clear |
| 02:04.41 | Ingela | thanks a lot |
| 02:04.43 | Ingela | both of you |
| 02:05.02 | Meorawr | Huh, never knew you could mess with protected frames during P_R_D... |
| 02:05.13 | Meorawr | That'll be useful if I can remember what I wanted to do earlier. |
| 02:05.18 | Seerah | cause you still have a split second before you're in combat ;) |
| 02:06.28 | Ingela | but wait that also means if i run like addon:thing() and addon:thing() checks if i'm in combat via incombatlockdown immidietly afterwards that's not gonna work? |
| 02:06.54 | Ingela | if i run that in p_r_d |
| 02:06.58 | kd3 | if you run stuff during P_R_D, InCombatLockdown() returns false. anything after that it'll return true |
| 02:07.23 | Ingela | ah ok so from going to next function i'll be *in* combat then |
| 02:07.51 | Ingela | this is really helpful |
| 02:08.01 | kd3 | not quite, once your event handler returns, all bets are off. do all you want during your P_R_D event |
| 02:08.18 | kd3 | s/your P_R_D/the P_R_D/ |
| 02:08.42 | kd3 | call functions, have those functions check InCombatLockdown, show frames, whatever |
| 02:09.04 | Seerah | to clarify, whatever you want to run during P_R_D will do so in the same frame. At the next frame, you'll be in combat |
| 02:09.13 | kd3 | ya |
| 02:09.15 | Seerah | (iirc) |
| 02:12.07 | kd3 | http://wowi.pastey.net/149168 (not lua, but close enough) |
| 02:12.20 | kd3 | will work just fine during P_R_D() |
| 02:12.43 | kd3 | s/P_R_D()/P_R_D/ |
| 02:13.42 | Ingela | if i login during combat, will p_r_d run? |
| 02:13.48 | kd3 | yes |
| 02:13.57 | Ingela | perfect |
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| 02:40.51 | kd3 | oh wow at etho's new nether 360 cannon |
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| 03:45.25 | Wobin | http://www.clarkecountydemocrat.com/news/2009-10-29/Editorial/Texas_beer_joint_sues_church.html |
| 03:45.31 | karl_w_w | healing would be way more fun if they just removed the weak cheap heal from all the classes |
| 03:45.57 | Wobin | what's forcing you to use it? |
| 03:47.13 | DWSR | Wobin: It's not him, its everyone else. |
| 03:48.43 | Wobin | everyone else is using the weak cheap heal and is sapping the fun from healing for him? |
| 03:49.15 | karl_w_w | if i dont use it i'd be a terrible healer :P |
| 03:49.41 | Wobin | so if they remove it.. everyone becomes a terrible healer? |
| 03:49.46 | Wobin | which would make healing more fun? |
| 03:49.50 | Wobin | is so confused |
| 03:54.30 | Jamash | healing would be more fun if all my heals also damaged mobs |
| 03:55.50 | Meorawr | Healing would be more fun if I could hit idiots over the head for standing in avoidable damage and expecting to be healed. |
| 03:55.59 | Jamash | gimme full-raid reflective shield, boost holy nova, aoe smite |
| 03:56.49 | Jamash | in D&D 4e, they've almost eliminated pure healing abilities and I think it's a great idea |
| 03:58.21 | Xyphoid | i love that you can heal in 4e by yelling at people |
| 03:58.23 | Jamash | I want a melee healing class |
| 03:58.32 | DWSR | triage spec warrior. |
| 03:58.40 | Meorawr | Yes please. |
| 03:59.40 | Meorawr | Give us a shout that does a combat res, it would be so fitting. |
| 04:00.27 | Jamash | I mean they said they were gonna chill out bosses two-shotting tanks, and make healing more expensive to compensate |
| 04:00.40 | Jamash | well, they delivered on heals being more expensive |
| 04:00.51 | DWSR | Not on bosses 2 shotting tanks. |
| 04:00.54 | Meorawr | But they didn't slow down the pace of inc. damage. |
| 04:01.01 | DWSR | Not inc tank damage. |
| 04:01.12 | Jamash | my point exactly |
| 04:01.12 | DWSR | Yeah |
| 04:01.17 | DWSR | Fucking rediculous. |
| 04:01.41 | Jamash | healer sneezes, entire group wipes, so sorry |
| 04:01.44 | Dagmar | We need fewer tanks specced in Face Blocking |
| 04:02.11 | DWSR | Dagmar: In normal I take like 20% less damage than the warrior. |
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| 04:02.38 | Jamash | I think the entire concept of the holy trinity needs re-examining |
| 04:02.53 | DWSR | block, dodge, parry? |
| 04:02.57 | DWSR | Or mage, warrior, priest? |
| 04:03.04 | Jamash | DPS, Tank, Healer |
| 04:03.17 | DWSR | how else would you do it? |
| 04:03.21 | Jamash | each of which can only do one thing to any meaningful extent |
| 04:03.22 | Wobin | hehe shouty combat res |
| 04:03.30 | Wobin | "GET BACK AT IT YOU PANSIES!!!" |
| 04:04.12 | Jamash | give every class more utility but smaller numbers |
| 04:04.13 | Xyphoid | tanks probably need to go away |
| 04:04.22 | Meorawr | What did we tanks ever do to you? :( |
| 04:04.29 | Jamash | I wanna tank on my hunter |
| 04:04.35 | Jamash | for serious reals |
| 04:04.35 | Wobin | you can! |
| 04:04.40 | Xyphoid | so you split up groups of enemies around the group, rather than one guy picking things up |
| 04:04.41 | Jamash | yeah for 5 seconds |
| 04:04.53 | Wobin | So lets homogenise all the classes into one class |
| 04:04.55 | Jamash | no |
| 04:04.58 | Wobin | the dpealerank |
| 04:05.14 | Wobin | like Rift |
| 04:05.20 | Jamash | haven't played rift |
| 04:05.30 | Jamash | or any mmo other than wow |
| 04:06.03 | Meorawr | I got a beta invite for rift, played for a while. Nothing special. |
| 04:06.10 | Meorawr | That and the imbalances were just hilarious. |
| 04:06.19 | Xyphoid | let's pretend that mob dps is exponential by number of guys |
| 04:06.23 | Meorawr | Went as a rogue, initially went into some melee trees. Got my face mauled repeatedly. |
| 04:06.36 | Jamash | Xyphoid: ? |
| 04:06.47 | Xyphoid | so 1 mob does 100 dps to 1 player. 2 do 400 dps to 1 player. 3 do 900 dps to 1 player. |
| 04:06.48 | Meorawr | Dumped melee, went ranged with pet. No more deaths from then on :p |
| 04:06.56 | Jamash | oh I see |
| 04:07.12 | Jamash | divide and conquer |
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| 04:07.59 | Xyphoid | i mean look at what my dps melee does in your average fight |
| 04:08.03 | Xyphoid | i stab some guy in the back repeatedly |
| 04:08.10 | Xyphoid | and i'm a hero |
| 04:08.22 | Jamash | 4e has this leader, controller, striker, defender thing which roughly corresponds to healer/buffer, CC, DPS, tank, but classes aren't pigeonholed the way talent specs are in wow |
| 04:08.35 | Xyphoid | yeah, defenders and tanks are the biggest difference |
| 04:08.54 | Jamash | defenders don't stand in one place and act as a punching bag |
| 04:09.08 | Xyphoid | but i don't know how you handle that difference in a MMO - the point of a defender is that you give the GM hard choices to make |
| 04:09.27 | Jamash | well, that's the thing, the entire wow combat model is built around mobs being rock stupidd |
| 04:10.05 | Jamash | I'm not sure if it's possible to break the trinity unless you allow mobs to not be stupid all the time |
| 04:10.09 | Wobin | if you make the enemies smart, you'll lose 75% of your playerbase |
| 04:10.26 | Wobin | there's a reason people don't pvp |
| 04:10.57 | Wobin | if every fight ends up like TOC faction champs, I'll quit playing |
| 04:11.02 | Wobin | because for me, that's not fun |
| 04:11.04 | Jamash | no, faction champs is goofy |
| 04:11.11 | Jamash | they're still rock stupid |
| 04:11.17 | Jamash | they just don't have a threat table |
| 04:11.39 | Wobin | also, you need a 'tank' character in 4e parties |
| 04:11.47 | Jamash | not really |
| 04:11.51 | Wobin | or you end up with the bard getting skewered by 30 arrows |
| 04:12.02 | Wobin | speaks from experience, Poor Carlfish =( |
| 04:12.21 | Jamash | if you're fighting enemies that can shoot 30 arrows in one round your GM is at fault, not your party |
| 04:12.29 | Xyphoid | controllers are what stop you taking 30 arrows |
| 04:12.31 | Wobin | ok, slight exaggeration |
| 04:12.41 | Jamash | what Xyphoid said |
| 04:12.48 | Wobin | he got shot about 5 times |
| 04:12.53 | Wobin | because he was the only one in sight |
| 04:12.59 | Xyphoid | the thing about defenders is that they generally can't handle everything |
| 04:13.04 | Jamash | ok then your bard is at fault |
| 04:13.08 | Wobin | well |
| 04:13.14 | Wobin | everyone else was waiting in ambush |
| 04:13.21 | Wobin | but yes, he was at fault |
| 04:13.30 | Xyphoid | haha did you taunt the archers |
| 04:13.38 | Jamash | I don't think having a tank stops arrows midflight |
| 04:13.41 | Wobin | he was the only one in sight |
| 04:13.47 | Wobin | and took too much damage in the round |
| 04:14.06 | Jamash | seems to me that that's what should happen if you face off against a group of archers alone |
| 04:14.09 | Wobin | lack of equivalent armour also contributed to damage taken |
| 04:14.12 | Xyphoid | i love my cavalier since i can just go 'i take that damage!' |
| 04:14.30 | Jamash | if you're close enough |
| 04:14.38 | Wobin | well, in his defense, we didn't know there was going to be a bunch of archers |
| 04:14.54 | Wobin | he was totally misdirecting to me anyway, as a cleric |
| 04:15.04 | Xyphoid | 4e bards are pretty sweet, i love that you can make a viable party of a bunch of guys with swords and a bard to sing their praises |
| 04:15.08 | Wobin | but didn't get the archers |
| 04:15.27 | Jamash | smack, smack, smack the goblins with your swoooooord |
| 04:15.58 | Jamash | I like how my cleric had a power that gave everyone in the party a simultaneous free melee basic |
| 04:16.26 | Jamash | I called it "Get him!" |
| 04:16.40 | karl_w_w | <Wobin> so if they remove it.. everyone becomes a terrible healer? <- pretty much |
| 04:16.59 | Xyphoid | there's a fun warlord one where you go 'I AM SO WEAK AND VULNERABLE PLEASE DON'T HURT ME', you pick an enemy to charge you, and then all your buddies get a free charge on it |
| 04:17.05 | Jamash | sweet |
| 04:17.47 | Jamash | another thing about wow bosses is that in addition to being rock stupid they're also invulnerable to about a quarter of player abilities |
| 04:17.53 | karl_w_w | they came into cata saying we dont want healers to be able to cast 1 spell all the time (eg. disc shield, rejuv) all the time and do a decent job |
| 04:18.07 | karl_w_w | and then they gave all classes a spell they could cast all the time to do a decent job |
| 04:18.19 | Jamash | which means you throw away a lot of the complexity of the game as soon as you step into a boss room |
| 04:19.07 | Jamash | so they have to give them a thousand times as much hp as a player to compensate |
| 04:19.13 | Wobin | Jamash: yet, if you could step into a boss room, and MC the boss and make him jump himself off a cliff, it sort of reduces the complexity |
| 04:19.56 | Jamash | I'm not saying CC abilities should have 100% of their normal effect on bosses |
| 04:20.10 | Jamash | but I'm saying that having 0% of their normal effect is weaksauce |
| 04:20.48 | Wobin | how could MC be reduced? |
| 04:20.55 | Wobin | it's pretty binary |
| 04:21.06 | Jamash | in general |
| 04:21.21 | Jamash | there are always exceptions |
| 04:25.20 | karl_w_w | ccing bosses would be stupid |
| 04:25.30 | Jamash | what if crippling poison slowed a boss by 10% |
| 04:25.41 | Jamash | that's a noticeable amount, but doesn't trivialize the boss |
| 04:26.06 | Xyphoid | it's already pretty fugly with raid bosses that you're stacking 179 debuffs on them |
| 04:26.27 | Jamash | most of those are dots |
| 04:26.37 | Xyphoid | i think as long as you have 1 vs 25 fights it's going to be artificial and weird |
| 04:26.50 | Xyphoid | but people didn't like faction champions so not much you can do |
| 04:26.54 | Jamash | so let's go with the 5 tank 5 healer 20 dps model |
| 04:27.02 | Jamash | wait |
| 04:27.06 | Jamash | I math gud |
| 04:27.12 | Jamash | 5:5:15 |
| 04:27.56 | Jamash | or better yet 25 hybrids |
| 04:28.26 | karl_w_w | how would slowing the boss 10% be useful |
| 04:28.40 | karl_w_w | either it would trivialize the boss or it would be meaningless |
| 04:28.51 | Jamash | well, if the boss is walking across the room to mash your healer in the face, 10% is pretty good |
| 04:28.52 | DWSR | Slowing a boss 10% would make it so you could kite him. |
| 04:29.17 | Jamash | not necessarily |
| 04:29.19 | DWSR | Yes. |
| 04:29.19 | karl_w_w | if the healer is pulling aggro you have bigger problems :P |
| 04:29.23 | Jamash | not necessarily |
| 04:29.35 | DWSR | Jamash: Having done it. |
| 04:29.36 | DWSR | Yes. |
| 04:29.39 | Jamash | not necessarily |
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| 04:29.47 | DWSR | pwnt. |
| 04:29.50 | karl_w_w | lol |
| 04:30.15 | DWSR | Jamash: That's how my guild does Nef P1. |
| 04:30.22 | DWSR | I run around as Frost and kite all the adds. |
| 04:30.35 | DWSR | If you can slow the boss, you get exactly the same thing happening. |
| 04:30.51 | DWSR | The boss isn't in melee range of the tank 100% of the time. |
| 04:31.18 | Dagmar | Lazy-ass tank |
| 04:31.26 | DWSR | Drastically reducing incoming damage unless the boss' abilities are adjusted to either a) do more damage for the time he is in melee range or b) given additional abilities that do damage at range. |
| 04:31.43 | DWSR | It just makes it stupid. |
| 04:31.44 | Dagmar | I don't like the sound of B. |
| 04:32.06 | DWSR | A's pretty fucking stupid. |
| 04:32.06 | Dagmar | It sounds like "two-shot pesky hunters" to me |
| 04:32.22 | DWSR | Which is why we've settled on the current model, with some notable exceptions. |
| 04:32.30 | DWSR | i.e. blood council, beasts p2, etc. |
| 04:32.56 | DWSR | It's very difficult to make players able to debuff the boss in more than a few, very select ways. |
| 04:33.06 | DWSR | Otherwise you start opening encounters up to some pretty serious abuse. |
| 04:33.21 | DWSR | It sucks, but there you have it. |
| 04:34.02 | Dagmar | i may email Blizz later this week and thank them for keeping things interesting by allowing my pet to aggro on things fully 100 yards away and around two corners |
| 04:34.22 | Dagmar | ...in defensive mode. |
| 04:35.26 | DWSR | Anyway. |
| 04:35.41 | DWSR | Changing the DPS/tank/healer model is something blizzard's pretty unlikely to do. |
| 04:36.00 | DWSR | And the reason I say that is becuase they've explicitly made design choices to reduce the effectiveness of hybrids.\ |
| 04:36.03 | DWSR | i.e. mastery. |
| 04:36.08 | DWSR | Less talent points. |
| 04:36.41 | Xyphoid | yeah, it's like many things in wow, it's too late to change |
| 04:36.57 | karl_w_w | my pet went off and attacked theralion last month |
| 04:36.59 | karl_w_w | on defensive |
| 04:37.06 | Dagmar | Can you imagine the screaming if it was actually someone's job to do half DPS and half support heals? |
| 04:37.12 | karl_w_w | while we were still killing trash |
| 04:37.32 | Dagmar | "OMG your DPS sucked" "But I healed you all!" "You're out of the guild. Your math is too goddamn hard anyway" |
| 04:37.37 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 04:37.59 | Dagmar | I used to catch hell for speccing Aimed Shot because it didn't contribute directly to DPS |
| 04:38.33 | Dagmar | Mainly I'm glad their model isn't like EQs where it's just Tank/Healer/Cheerleaders&Transportation |
| 04:38.37 | DWSR | I wouldn't mind having hybrids in the game, but the problem is that people bitch about hybrids not being able to beat pure classes at their job. |
| 04:38.53 | DWSR | And it's very much a "THAT'S THE FUCKING POINT. |
| 04:38.56 | DWSR | ASSCLOWNS" |
| 04:39.07 | Dagmar | ...and there are also those occasional times where hybrids will handly bufu everyone else |
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| 04:39.31 | Dagmar | Like when you get a half dozen shammies in one place (back in BC) |
| 04:39.34 | Jamash | so anyway I think they've already made some steps in that direction |
| 04:40.02 | Jamash | like smiteheals |
| 04:40.12 | Wobin | hm |
| 04:40.16 | Jamash | baby steps, but still steps |
| 04:40.20 | Wobin | I'm gonig to have to work holy fire into my rotation |
| 04:40.25 | Jamash | woo woo |
| 04:40.38 | Wobin | and maybe reglyph for the HF/Smite combo |
| 04:40.57 | Jamash | they're putting holy fire on the accuracy glyph in 4.1.0, right? |
| 04:40.57 | Wobin | I wonder if it's worth it |
| 04:41.06 | Wobin | I've not looked at my glyph setup for ages |
| 04:41.06 | Wobin | yeah |
| 04:41.14 | Wobin | I'm fairly sure they are |
| 04:42.19 | DWSR | brb |
| 04:42.20 | Jamash | now that buffs are 1hr, I want to replace glyph of shadow protection, should I take shadowfiend, shackle undead or fading? |
| 04:42.52 | Wobin | Glyph of Divine Accuracy now also affects Holy Fire in addition to Smite. |
| 04:42.57 | Wobin | fading |
| 04:43.05 | Jamash | mmk |
| 04:43.09 | Wobin | oh wait |
| 04:43.10 | Wobin | hm |
| 04:43.20 | Jamash | I was leaning towards fading |
| 04:43.36 | Jamash | shadowfiend seems like a pvp glyph and I never shackle anymore |
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| 04:44.14 | Wobin | I have SF/Levitate/Fade |
| 04:44.21 | Wobin | not for any particular reasons though |
| 04:44.38 | Jamash | I'm thinking fort/levitate/fade |
| 04:44.51 | Wobin | oh wait |
| 04:44.54 | Wobin | that's my shadowspec |
| 04:45.00 | Wobin | I have fading/fort/levitate |
| 04:45.13 | Jamash | they're all mostly useless except levitate |
| 04:45.24 | Wobin | mana reduction on fading isn't too bad |
| 04:45.50 | Jamash | I guess |
| 04:45.57 | Wobin | but it's really 'what's the least useless' =P |
| 04:46.08 | Jamash | they need to come up with some more creative minor glyphs |
| 04:46.24 | Wobin | and I'd rate mana reduction on a talent that -might- save me worth more than a buff one |
| 04:46.24 | Jamash | I'd settle for cosmetic ones like the poly glyphs in a lot of cases |
| 04:46.46 | Jamash | especially if they gave my warlock green fire |
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| 04:47.14 | DWSR | wtf? |
| 04:47.18 | DWSR | why isn't xkcd updated |
| 04:47.35 | Wobin | nice |
| 04:47.43 | Wobin | Glyph of Smite is a major glyph |
| 04:47.43 | Jamash | because god hates you |
| 04:47.47 | Wobin | I'll replace the dispel magic one |
| 04:48.16 | Jamash | does glyph of dispel magic heal enemies? |
| 04:48.32 | Wobin | haha |
| 04:48.38 | DWSR | Anyone have a recommendation on an IRC bouncer? |
| 04:48.53 | Wobin | no it doesn't |
| 04:49.02 | Wobin | DWSR: bouncer? |
| 04:49.04 | Jamash | oh, I never took it because I thought it did |
| 04:49.05 | DWSR | mhm |
| 04:49.47 | Wobin | I use Quassel for the server/client thing |
| 04:50.18 | Jamash | I have accuracy/smite/desperation but I'm thinking of changing desperation out for mending |
| 04:51.40 | Wobin | pvp? |
| 04:51.56 | Jamash | I do dungeons and pvp as disc |
| 04:52.01 | Wobin | ah |
| 04:52.12 | Jamash | disc is boss in bgs |
| 04:52.21 | Wobin | generally the first charge of PoM is on the tank |
| 04:52.26 | Wobin | so makes that worthwhile |
| 04:52.32 | Jamash | yeah |
| 04:53.04 | Wobin | Mass Dispel is awesome as a glyph though |
| 04:53.13 | Wobin | moreso, I'd imagine, in pvp |
| 04:53.22 | Jamash | could be, could be |
| 04:54.39 | Wobin | great for Static Cling in skycityinstancethingplace |
| 04:56.05 | Jamash | halls of air |
| 04:57.02 | DWSR | Wobin: Does Quassel require X? |
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| 04:59.24 | Wobin | http://quassel-irc.org/downloads |
| 04:59.35 | Wobin | not sure |
| 05:00.09 | DWSR | yeah, it does. |
| 05:00.15 | DWSR | KDE, in fact. |
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| 05:03.23 | karl_w_w | is it just me or is this crazy, my guild had 2 raid groups but a few guys from the second group have gone epic afk so that group has stopped raiding |
| 05:03.42 | karl_w_w | my friend wants to make a new group from the guys left and a few alts etc |
| 05:03.50 | karl_w_w | just to kill a few bosses a week |
| 05:04.09 | karl_w_w | and the gm says if u want to do that u have to leave the guild |
| 05:04.19 | karl_w_w | because i dont want my guild name ruined |
| 05:04.41 | karl_w_w | this isnt some awesome guild, they raid 1 day a week and they're 9/12 normal |
| 05:04.52 | Wobin | what's wrong with leaving then? |
| 05:05.04 | Wobin | it's never worth the drama =P |
| 05:05.13 | karl_w_w | just seems crazy |
| 05:05.29 | Wobin | shrugs |
| 05:05.36 | Wobin | Just tell everyone what the GM said |
| 05:05.41 | Wobin | and make a new guild |
| 05:06.35 | karl_w_w | trouble is u lose all ur guild rep |
| 05:07.25 | karl_w_w | doesnt bother me anyway ive pretty much lost all interest in raiding |
| 05:09.01 | Xyphoid | guild perks broke my guild |
| 05:09.10 | Xyphoid | and stopped me playing |
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| 05:15.51 | karl_w_w | broke in what way? |
| 05:16.40 | Xyphoid | it was a splinter guild of real-life people |
| 05:17.09 | karl_w_w | whoa |
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| 05:17.30 | karl_w_w | so *not* articial intelligence? :P |
| 05:17.36 | karl_w_w | artificial |
| 05:18.25 | karl_w_w | thing is the perks arent really that good |
| 05:18.30 | Xyphoid | what we should have done is ditched it and merged with the original guild again, it was pretty much split by raid group |
| 05:18.51 | Xyphoid | (shared chat channel between multiple guilds setup) |
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| 06:01.19 | Wobin | Cairenn: http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ljtomtMVUm1qbwakso1_500.jpg |
| 06:01.24 | Wobin | he totally looks like a Henry |
| 06:01.30 | Cairenn | heh |
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| 06:13.03 | zenzelezz | "In 2005 the UN said that by 2010 there would be 50 million climate refugees. They even provided a map of where they would come from. However since that original story was posted the UN has taken down that page. They apparently don't know about Google cache." |
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| 06:16.17 | Corrodias | because obviously removing outdated, false information is the same thing as trying to cover up the past |
| 06:18.28 | Shirik | has returned! |
| 06:22.28 | Wobin | http://xkcd.com/887/ |
| 06:22.33 | Wobin | "Extreme Draughts across much of the earth"? |
| 06:22.45 | Wobin | is that like playing draughts while skiing downhill? |
| 06:23.12 | Mr_Rabies | maybe the oceans will suddenly turn into beer |
| 06:23.54 | Mr_Rabies | extreme beer |
| 06:24.43 | Wobin | ah |
| 06:25.10 | Wobin | it's a Randall typo |
| 06:25.28 | Wobin | http://www.cosmosmagazine.com/node/3811 |
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| 06:39.27 | airtonix | mikma: have you made an automated subway yet ? |
| 06:40.04 | airtonix | mikma: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVwzi4C4bJk |
| 06:43.05 | Shirik | omg that is epic airtonix |
| 06:44.22 | airtonix | yeah i'm trying to build a rail system between my mob farming skyrise tower and my lava farm castle |
| 06:44.38 | airtonix | need so much steel |
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| 06:45.01 | cbreak_work | air travel? :) |
| 06:45.25 | airtonix | you need mods for that |
| 06:45.48 | cbreak_work | ships? |
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| 06:46.01 | airtonix | yeah boats and water lifts would be good |
| 06:46.10 | airtonix | and up hill streams |
| 06:56.46 | karl_w_w | how can europe reach mars ins 2033? |
| 06:57.18 | karl_w_w | is mars going to fall out of orbit? :P |
| 06:58.37 | cbreak_work | karl_w_w: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exploration_of_Mars#Timeline_of_Mars_exploration |
| 07:00.54 | Fisker | i'm sick airtonix |
| 07:01.32 | karl_w_w | haha 2069 |
| 07:01.51 | karl_w_w | ill be 82 :( |
| 07:02.14 | Fisker | no |
| 07:02.43 | Stanzilla | hey fisker |
| 07:03.01 | Stanzilla | are you thinking with portals already? |
| 07:03.22 | bluspacecow | no |
| 07:03.29 | bluspacecow | he is thinking with his pee pee |
| 07:05.24 | Fisker | very |
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| 07:07.54 | bluspacecow | http://www.minecraftforum.net/download/file.php?avatar=239794_1299369769.gif |
| 07:08.00 | bluspacecow | popup cat ! |
| 07:08.57 | Wobin | I can watch that forever |
| 07:09.04 | karl_w_w | ive noticed that a lot of addons with bars dont actually slowly reveal the bar texture, they actually just stretch it. is there a way around that or is that just the way it has to be? |
| 07:09.16 | karl_w_w | and i say actually twice |
| 07:09.22 | karl_w_w | for... bonus actuality |
| 07:11.37 | Fisker | bluspacecow |
| 07:11.42 | bluspacecow | ... |
| 07:11.55 | Fisker | sup? |
| 07:12.23 | bluspacecow | moah potatoes |
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| 07:13.11 | Fisker | no |
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| 07:20.21 | Adys | karl_w_w: I don't think there's a way to slowly show the bar texture |
| 07:20.26 | Adys | not a memory-efficient one at least |
| 07:20.33 | Adys | (so not one you would want on a bar addon) |
| 07:21.27 | Xinhuan | you can |
| 07:21.31 | Xinhuan | if you play with texcoords |
| 07:21.48 | Adys | that would require you to create more than one texture |
| 07:21.54 | Xinhuan | size the texture so that it matches the texcoord area of the image |
| 07:22.13 | Xinhuan | so if you have a 100x500 texture, and you want to show the first 20% of the bar |
| 07:22.18 | Xinhuan | you want to show the first 100x100 |
| 07:22.49 | Xinhuan | so make the texture that size, and :SetTexcoord(0, 0, 0, 0.2, 1, 0, 1, 0.2) |
| 07:22.51 | Xinhuan | something like that |
| 07:23.01 | Xinhuan | so its the same texture |
| 07:23.23 | Xinhuan | but you're only using the portion specified |
| 07:24.05 | Adys | Oracle gives up on OpenOffice after community forks the project |
| 07:24.08 | Adys | what a surpriiise |
| 07:24.16 | Shirik | wtf |
| 07:24.24 | Shirik | BEIJING, April 18 (Xinhuanet) -- The Tokyo Electric Power Company has also set out a detailed roadmap for ending what has become the world's worst nuclear crisis in 25 years. The company is aiming to reduce radiation leaks at its Fukushima nuclear power plant within three months, and achieve a full shutdown in six to nine months. |
| 07:24.37 | Shirik | radiation leaks for the next 3 months? |
| 07:24.52 | Adys | Armenia is to make chess a compulsory subject in primary schools in a bid to turn itself into a global force in the game, the education ministry have said. âTeaching chess in schools will create a solid basis for the country to become a chess superpower,â |
| 07:25.01 | Adys | talk about doing the Right Thing for the Wrong Reason |
| 07:28.49 | Cairenn | Shirik: yup |
| 07:29.47 | Cairenn | well, more precisely, radiation leaks for the next ~9 months, just at varying levels |
| 07:30.30 | Cairenn | since they are saying "aiming to REDUCE radiation leaks" in the 3 month time frame |
| 07:30.46 | Fisker | hey Cairenn |
| 07:30.50 | Cairenn | hi Fisker |
| 07:30.57 | Cairenn | you kill a guy recently? |
| 07:31.21 | Adys | http://xkcd.com/887/ |
| 07:32.14 | Shirik | hm |
| 07:32.18 | Shirik | that might have to go on my cube wall |
| 07:32.56 | mikma | cairenn: man, he killed a man (kill -9 [processnumber for man]) |
| 07:33.07 | Adys | 2024: Atlantis begins to reappear |
| 07:33.11 | Shirik | killall man |
| 07:33.12 | Adys | now that's an interesting development |
| 07:33.13 | karl_w_w | *dies in 2s* *looks at partner's recount* *top target attacked: mirror image* |
| 07:33.37 | Shirik | karl_w_w: win |
| 07:35.20 | Shirik | 2018: Social Security stops running surplus? |
| 07:35.24 | Shirik | That's already happened... |
| 07:35.43 | Adys | so has Cars driven by dogs for that matter |
| 07:37.22 | Shirik | ha! |
| 07:37.25 | Shirik | 2022: HTML 5 finished |
| 07:38.43 | Adys | wonder how many of those will be on target |
| 07:39.02 | Adys | google's trends tend to be on target, within reasonable limits |
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| 07:47.38 | mitch0 | "oil runs out again" :) |
| 07:49.01 | Shirik | ok night |
| 08:06.40 | airtonix | !ping |
| 08:06.40 | batbot | airtonix: pong! |
| 08:06.44 | bluspacecow | @Caireen http://nyan.cat/ |
| 08:09.15 | Cairenn | omg |
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| 08:41.00 | karl_w_w | can you copy something to the clipboard or do you have to just put it in a frame and let the user press ctrl-c? |
| 08:45.37 | cbreak_work | you have to select it |
| 08:45.42 | cbreak_work | so text edit box |
| 08:52.34 | Adys | Maldivia: do you have WoW-4.0.0.12266-to-4.0.0.12319-enGB-patch.exe ? |
| 09:09.57 | karl_w_w | http://isohunt.com/torrent_details/197855361/?tab=summary Adys? |
| 09:10.09 | Adys | way ahead of you |
| 09:10.11 | Adys | no peers |
| 09:11.16 | Corrodias | it's a lot like a desert |
| 09:11.18 | Corrodias | no piers |
| 09:13.27 | Adys | it's actually more like a terrible fruitstand |
| 09:13.29 | Adys | no pears |
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| 09:40.34 | karl_w_w | how long is every1's authenticator codes? |
| 09:40.43 | karl_w_w | mine are 8 but my friend says theirs is 6 |
| 09:41.31 | airtonix | hoho |
| 09:41.58 | airtonix | i never kiss and tell |
| 09:42.13 | mitch0 | karl: mine is 6, but it's not blizzard's ;) |
| 09:42.22 | karl_w_w | kisses airtonix |
| 09:43.32 | tlund | karl_w_w: 6 digits on mine. |
| 09:43.49 | tlund | karl_w_w: what does it say on your sticker, other than some serial number? |
| 09:44.05 | tlund | karl_w_w: possibly something with "digipass" or such |
| 09:44.37 | karl_w_w | i have a desktop one :P |
| 09:44.52 | karl_w_w | which i think is based on the mobile phone version |
| 09:47.36 | karl_w_w | anyone happen to know how I can get the name of the currently open dropdown menu? |
| 09:49.30 | bluspacecow | BBL |
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| 10:09.33 | DJJeff | with the lack of SexyMap updates from AntiArc is there a good replacement addon? |
| 10:09.40 | DJJeff | and dont say Carbonite |
| 10:09.47 | DJJeff | thats full of annoying bugs |
| 10:11.19 | karl_w_w | why whats wrong with sexymap |
| 10:11.49 | DJJeff | just a bit buggy I find :( |
| 10:11.52 | DJJeff | very nice tho |
| 10:12.00 | Adys | karl_w_w: physical authenticators (vascos) are 6-digit |
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| 10:12.07 | DJJeff | 6 months w/o updates might be a sign |
| 10:12.09 | Adys | blizzard authenticators (mobile) are 8-digit |
| 10:12.21 | karl_w_w | i see |
| 10:19.31 | airtonix | carbonite |
| 10:25.38 | karl_w_w | airtonix fix my problems |
| 10:25.49 | airtonix | ok |
| 10:26.01 | airtonix | sign here : ................................. |
| 10:26.14 | airtonix | and here : ...................................... |
| 10:26.17 | karl_w_w | karlwwwithswirlylines |
| 10:26.58 | airtonix | ok Fisker will be with you shortely |
| 10:31.10 | karl_w_w | hmm it could be _G["DropDownList1Button1"] |
| 10:31.49 | karl_w_w | nope |
| 10:32.08 | karl_w_w | that is "|Kg25|k000000|k |Ks25|k00000000|k" |
| 10:32.14 | karl_w_w | which is not english at all |
| 10:33.20 | karl_w_w | annoying thing is Button2 is the next thing on the menu |
| 10:34.26 | karl_w_w | it works with everything except real id friends |
| 10:34.30 | karl_w_w | airtonix explain |
| 10:35.08 | airtonix | _G["DropDownList1Button1UmadBro"] |
| 10:35.34 | karl_w_w | "|Kg25|k000000|k |Ks25|k00000000|k" seems to somehow represent a real id friend's name :( |
| 10:35.44 | karl_w_w | but i want the name not the representation |
| 10:40.04 | karl_w_w | oh sweet, it doesnt matter |
| 10:42.04 | karl_w_w | huzzah |
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| 10:47.34 | karl_w_w | oh yes best addon ever |
| 11:00.40 | Xinhuan | ya karl |
| 11:00.47 | Xinhuan | addons cannot gain access to real ID names |
| 11:01.11 | Xinhuan | the |Kglahblah is an escapestring that only the font rendering in wow can replace with the real name |
| 11:01.45 | Xinhuan | so for all purposes and intents, the |kg string is valid for the current play session |
| 11:01.59 | Xinhuan | but otherwise you cant do much else with it |
| 11:02.14 | Xinhuan | because the "25" in that string is based on who's online |
| 11:02.37 | Xinhuan | they changed this in patch 4.0 btw |
| 11:02.44 | Xinhuan | just before cata |
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| 11:14.27 | airtonix | qq |
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| 11:20.44 | Coren{de} | is there a way to get a PTR version of the Interface Addon Kit? I want to see the source of the new guild finder to fix the browse-list up to a more sensible display :> |
| 11:21.51 | Coren{de} | hm, or does a lua decompiler exist somewhere? |
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| 12:00.05 | Maldivia | Coren, run the extract command on the ptr and you have the code... |
| 12:00.41 | Maldivia | ~framexml |
| 12:00.41 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, framexml is Blizzard's UI for WoW. Export code/art from the client by using the wow.exe -console commands "ExportInterfaceFiles code" and "ExportInterfaceFiles art" (must be used on login screen); or view it online at http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source , http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser or http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml |
| 12:12.49 | Coren{de} | seems that -console doesn't work with wine, but the urls are good2go =) |
| 12:14.12 | airtonix | mikma: the yellow text on the minecraft main menu, is this meaningful or just random slosh? |
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| 12:22.34 | haste | Coren{de}: -console works fine with wine |
| 12:24.31 | mikma | airtonix: random |
| 12:25.04 | zenzelezz | so true... http://www.thedailyblink.com/2011/04/anyone-seen-thrall-lately/ |
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| 12:33.00 | mikma | cairenn|afk: http://imgur.com/gallery/MUJqe |
| 12:43.23 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08e9k-c91E8 |
| 12:43.34 | karl_w_w | i suck at describing what addons actually do |
| 12:44.32 | karl_w_w | basically i suck at every single stage of addon development, from getting started through actually coding it and up to actually uploading it |
| 12:44.35 | haste | welcome to the club |
| 12:45.45 | karl_w_w | and that's actually the second time today I've used actually twice in a sentence today <- seewutididthar |
| 12:48.04 | karl_w_w | "BroadcastCopier is a simple addon that adds the option to copy your Real ID friends' broadcast message to the right click menu." run-on sentence fail |
| 12:48.46 | airtonix | you suck at engrish |
| 12:49.11 | karl_w_w | mm-hmm |
| 12:50.25 | karl_w_w | that description implies that it somehow inserts the broadcast into every right click menu :P |
| 12:52.06 | Kraps | http://www.aperturescience.com/glados@home/ meh |
| 12:52.13 | karl_w_w | now that i think about it the name sucks too |
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| 12:55.58 | airtonix | just call it the real menu |
| 12:57.48 | Kraps | http://blastr.com/assets_c/2011/04/WalkingDeadBillboard041311-thumb-550x292-60683.jpg |
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| 13:02.00 | Kraps | what IS it with people http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/gs6hn/my_fortune/c1pxzvv |
| 13:04.15 | zenzelezz | Kraps: agreed, why can people never learn the "to/too" thing |
| 13:07.01 | karl_w_w | "BroadcastCopier is a simple addon that allows you to copy your Real ID friends' broadcast message, just by right clicking and selecting "Copy Broadcast" from the menu." <- better? |
| 13:07.43 | airtonix | what menu |
| 13:08.07 | airtonix | is there only one menu in wow now? |
| 13:08.22 | karl_w_w | yes |
| 13:08.51 | karl_w_w | the addon replaces all right click menus with a 1 option menu that says Copy Broadcast on it |
| 13:09.09 | karl_w_w | i figured simplicity is the best way to go |
| 13:10.32 | karl_w_w | "BroadcastCopier is a simple addon that allows you to copy your Real ID friends' broadcast message. Just right click your friend in chat or on the friends list and select "Copy Broadcast" from the menu." airtonix approval? :P |
| 13:11.20 | Coren{de} | I'd s/that/which/g :) |
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| 13:12.19 | karl_w_w | done and done |
| 13:20.40 | bluspacecow | caireen have you seen the kitty in a can today yet ? |
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| 13:30.23 | karl_w_w | hard to believe it took me over 3 hours to write an addon that's less than 50 lines? :( |
| 13:30.45 | Jamash | lines mean nothing, young padawan |
| 13:31.03 | bluspacecow | careful placed lines you did |
| 13:31.18 | karl_w_w | tell that to a kid in detention :P |
| 13:31.20 | bluspacecow | fail i do at yoda impression |
| 13:32.27 | Ackis | slap you around with a fish I will... hrmmm |
| 13:32.46 | karl_w_w | hmm mm mm mm |
| 13:32.58 | Jamash | sound like Grover I do |
| 13:37.25 | airtonix | i'm going to kill you |
| 13:42.07 | Jamash | karl_w_w: http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/unix-koans/ten-thousand.html |
| 13:44.44 | karl_w_w | im amused that a site talking about coding has text encoding errors on it :P |
| 13:46.17 | Coren{de} | not much beats hooking the wrong function and sprinkling lots of debug output over why the hook isn't called... :> |
| 13:47.16 | Jamash | it's encoded correctly, but the HTTP charset doesn't match the page charset |
| 13:48.05 | zenzelezz | Coren{de}: I once spent 30 minutes debugging a CRC calculation function when the reason it didn't work was I was specifying the wrong buffers |
| 13:50.37 | Jamash | Coren{de}: I had a similar problem, except it was more like four hours |
| 13:51.05 | karl_w_w | Jamash, fix: http://www.g4tv.com/videos/52405/the-mmo-report-thursday-april-14th/ |
| 13:51.22 | Jamash | "why isn't it getting called? why isn't it getting called? BECAUSE I'M NOT CALLING IT" |
| 13:52.17 | Jamash | spelling errors ftw |
| 13:52.32 | Jamash | sometimes declarations can be useful |
| 13:53.40 | karl_w_w | I declare that Fisker smells of trout |
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| 13:56.28 | Kraps | hoho airtonix |
| 13:56.51 | Jamash | karl_w_w: fix what? |
| 13:58.08 | Coren{de} | I wonder on the amount of jokes about the command for the guild finder... (/gf, yeah baby!) |
| 13:58.57 | Kraps | i love the smell of burning http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chametz in the morning |
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| 13:59.38 | Jamash | Coren{de}: I tried to convince everyone to abbreviate Magister's Terrace as "MrT" back in BC but people didn't go for it |
| 14:00.31 | Coren{de} | hm, was that before or after the commercial? =) |
| 14:00.43 | Jamash | long before |
| 14:01.13 | karl_w_w | the video Jamash |
| 14:01.40 | Jamash | I'm sorry, it's G4, there's nothing I can do |
| 14:02.49 | Wobin | Jamash: I did the same |
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| 14:07.48 | alestane | Interesting sentiment: http://threepanelsoul.com/2011/04/18/on-sleep/ |
| 14:09.04 | Kraps | Jamash: the video wasnt working for me at all yesterday but now it is, i know i shouldnt talk but people need to code their sites so they do feel like its hauling in a container-laden freight ship |
| 14:09.33 | Jamash | Kraps: I think their server is just f'ing slow |
| 14:10.19 | Kraps | s/they do/ they dont/ |
| 14:10.34 | karl_w_w | are pally judgements on the gcd? |
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| 14:16.22 | Kraps | pesach is tonight |
| 14:16.33 | Kraps | also known as passover |
| 14:17.14 | Kraps | also known as the best jewish holiday ever |
| 14:18.09 | bluspacecow | why ? |
| 14:19.46 | zenzelezz | is that anything like easter? |
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| 14:20.41 | alestane | Sort of a little not really. |
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| 14:21.15 | Kraps | zenzelezz: if easter lasted for 8 days and the first and last 2 days were like sabbath and the middles days were vacation days, then yes |
| 14:21.16 | Wobin | passover is the holiday where the jews don't get killed |
| 14:21.32 | zenzelezz | I have no idea how long easter lasts |
| 14:21.47 | Wobin | although, in retrospect, that statement could be taken rather terribly |
| 14:21.50 | Kraps | way to be a buzzkill Wobin :( |
| 14:21.51 | zenzelezz | I don't even know when the stores close, since "second day of easter" or whatever doesn't tell me anything |
| 14:22.02 | Wobin | apologies =P |
| 14:22.14 | Wobin | gises |
| 14:22.23 | Wobin | gah, I clearly need sleep |
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| 14:23.26 | Kraps | actually the only "holiday" where jews got killed en mass is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tisha_B%27Av |
| 14:23.55 | Wobin | I did kind of mean it as in the original reason for Passover =P |
| 14:27.40 | Xinhuan | Jesus died on Friday because he predicted Rebecca Black would come into existence. |
| 14:29.23 | Kraps | http://inception.davepedu.com/ |
| 14:29.28 | haste | rebecca black is old news! jenna rose is the new shit Xinhuan |
| 14:29.43 | Jamash | how come jesus was born in a solar calendar and died in a lunisolar calendar? |
| 14:30.27 | Wobin | cause he moved with the times? |
| 14:30.41 | Jamash | backwards? |
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| 14:32.27 | Xinhuan | wtb minecraft 1.5 |
| 14:33.28 | Jamash | portal 2 imo |
| 14:34.20 | Kraps | mass effect 3 |
| 14:34.28 | nevcairiel | Diablo 3 |
| 14:34.35 | nevcairiel | top that. |
| 14:34.41 | Kraps | assasins creed 3 |
| 14:34.43 | Jamash | Diablo 4 |
| 14:35.11 | Kraps | bejeweled 4 lololololo |
| 14:35.25 | Wobin | Bejewelediablo 8 |
| 14:38.35 | Jamash | warcraft 4 |
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| 14:39.46 | Xinhuan | never |
| 14:39.58 | Xinhuan | portal 2 can wait until its on -75% sale |
| 14:40.38 | Wobin | ^ |
| 14:41.15 | mikma | haste: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsegTiuEoq8 :DDDD |
| 14:41.25 | mikma | xinhuan: addict much? |
| 14:41.35 | mikma | wobin: you too, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsegTiuEoq8 :DDDD |
| 14:42.23 | airtonix | linkmoar |
| 14:42.46 | Coren{de} | there should be a direct binary expression for "not A or B" with a priority above "and" :> |
| 14:43.26 | airtonix | you mean apart from your face? |
| 14:43.30 | Wobin | hah, so true; He smacked her so hard on the left side that it hurt the right side of her face |
| 14:43.30 | foxlit | why would you want (not A) or B? |
| 14:44.24 | Coren{de} | nah, foxlit, I want "(not A or B) and (not C or D) and ..." without brackets, "A => B and C => D and ... " where '=>' beats 'and' |
| 14:44.24 | karl_w_w | i think he means the equivalent of not A and not B |
| 14:44.36 | Wobin | man, Bond sure did it |
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| 14:45.08 | bluspacecow | mc 1.5 is going to be so awesome Xinny i may just explode |
| 14:45.12 | mikma | wobin: several times |
| 14:45.21 | Xinhuan | its supposed to be mon-tues-or wed |
| 14:45.42 | airtonix | mikma: wtf is this shit? |
| 14:46.17 | mikma | the title says it all |
| 14:46.18 | foxlit | Coren{de}: why? :) |
| 14:47.25 | Coren{de} | [GS]etLookingForGuildComment etc. so cry for abusing the field to put all the info missing (schedule, casual, etc.) in an automatically readable fashion :D |
| 14:49.28 | airtonix | lawl |
| 14:49.45 | airtonix | man i hate copy paste |
| 14:50.12 | karl_w_w | so dont use it :P |
| 14:50.14 | airtonix | Gilbert Crotchfeed was a good natured, easy- going kid with plans of going to rabbinical school when, at the age of 15,his chainsmoking stepmom, Ginger, dropped him on his head. |
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| 14:55.09 | Ackis | hi peppy |
| 14:55.35 | Lopeppeppy | Heyas. |
| 14:56.45 | bluspacecow | ist the peppy |
| 14:56.48 | bluspacecow | hi! |
| 14:57.01 | Lopeppeppy | The one and onliest. |
| 14:57.34 | alestane | huggles Lopeppeppy muchly. |
| 14:58.31 | bluspacecow | It's that time Loppy |
| 14:58.47 | bluspacecow | that time of night i go hunting for the vending machine :D |
| 14:58.51 | Lopeppeppy | Howdie Doodie time? |
| 14:59.43 | bluspacecow | vending machine snack time ! |
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| 15:01.26 | Lopeppeppy | M&M's are often found in vending machine habitats. |
| 15:02.49 | Ackis | smarties > M&Ms |
| 15:03.56 | Lopeppeppy | But I've not seen those in the American vending habitats. They must only thrive in colder Canadian climates. |
| 15:04.42 | Ackis | Canadian smarties are different than american ones... |
| 15:05.19 | Lopeppeppy | No doubt! |
| 15:05.46 | Lopeppeppy | Canadian smart asses also are different than American... |
| 15:06.00 | Wobin | american chocolate is terrible =( |
| 15:07.19 | Lopeppeppy | Hershey is wax, not chocolate. |
| 15:07.54 | Lopeppeppy | You have to invest in the good chocolate, I agree. |
| 15:08.19 | Wobin | some things you cannot skimp on |
| 15:08.27 | Wobin | chocolate is definitely one of them |
| 15:08.47 | Lopeppeppy | Chocolate, cheese, wine, and steak. |
| 15:09.05 | bluspacecow | and sex |
| 15:09.17 | bluspacecow | can not skimp on the sex |
| 15:09.55 | Lopeppeppy | Hmm, invest in sex implies purchasing a time share in a hooker or something. |
| 15:10.19 | airtonix | ogfurious will inform you |
| 15:10.28 | Wobin | or future options in a whorehouse perhaps |
| 15:11.03 | airtonix | how about just getting some nice clothes |
| 15:11.09 | Lopeppeppy | I'd prefer *present* options in sex, future options are just a tease! |
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| 15:20.27 | Fisker | wasn't it something about <?php ... ?> being deprecated in one of the new versions of php? |
| 15:22.48 | alestane | invests in Peppy. |
| 15:23.52 | Fisker | bluspacecow |
| 15:23.54 | Fisker | http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/18/first-light-wave-quantum-teleportation-achieved-opens-door-to-u/ |
| 15:24.19 | Lopeppeppy | Ooh la la, alestane |
| 15:25.42 | Fisker | stares |
| 15:25.54 | Lopeppeppy | Get a room, Fisker! |
| 15:27.40 | Fisker | stares through binoculars from a room across the street |
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| 15:30.36 | alestane | He's almost coherent, Peppy. |
| 15:30.39 | alestane | It's scaring me. |
| 15:31.15 | Lopeppeppy | Here's your blanket, alestane |
| 15:31.59 | bluspacecow | ok minecraft addicts i finally found my wolf |
| 15:32.28 | Fisker | bluspacecow |
| 15:32.31 | bluspacecow | i call him jumping bean |
| 15:32.35 | alestane | /linus |
| 15:32.40 | Fisker | bluspacecow |
| 15:32.40 | bluspacecow | cause thats all he does... all day .... every day |
| 15:32.53 | bluspacecow | jump jump jump WHAT YOU WANT FISKER |
| 15:32.55 | Fisker | do it bluspacecow |
| 15:32.59 | Fisker | http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/18/first-light-wave-quantum-teleportation-achieved-opens-door-to-u/ |
| 15:33.02 | Fisker | be happy bluspacecow |
| 15:33.03 | Fisker | or be dead |
| 15:33.12 | bluspacecow | i lolzed |
| 15:34.12 | Fisker | lolzing does not equal happniess |
| 15:34.15 | Lopeppeppy | I need to do errands and I have zero motivation. Hmm. |
| 15:34.30 | bluspacecow | would it help if i lite you on fire? |
| 15:34.34 | bluspacecow | great motivation |
| 15:34.47 | Lopeppeppy | Hmm. I am not cold though. :p |
| 15:35.25 | bluspacecow | then you may require a fish |
| 15:35.29 | Coren{de} | maybe you would want to add "chocolate" as an additional errand to the bottom of the list? ;) |
| 15:35.34 | bluspacecow | and prehaps a radish |
| 15:35.55 | Lopeppeppy | Fish, radish, chocolate, laundry. |
| 15:36.02 | Lopeppeppy | What a list! |
| 15:36.46 | Coren{de} | laundry has to be at the top... |
| 15:37.19 | Lopeppeppy | I suppose I can shop while things dry, hmm? |
| 15:38.26 | Lopeppeppy | Okay. I go now! |
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| 15:46.58 | bluspacecow | kk |
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| 16:00.26 | Eddy51 | hey could someone help me with an wow API query i have? |
| 16:00.42 | Fisker | pizzaa bluspacecow |
| 16:00.43 | Fisker | pizza |
| 16:01.00 | bluspacecow | pizza ? |
| 16:01.02 | haste | ~asktoask |
| 16:01.02 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 16:01.05 | bluspacecow | mmmmm pizza |
| 16:01.08 | alestane | If we can't, Eddy51, wowprogramming.com probably can. |
| 16:01.12 | mikma | haste: can i axe you a question |
| 16:01.43 | haste | mikma: no |
| 16:01.49 | bluspacecow | depends does it involve copious amounts of TNT and duct tape ? |
| 16:01.50 | mikma | haste: but i will anyway. |
| 16:01.52 | Fisker | i smell burnt electronics bluspacecow |
| 16:01.54 | Fisker | is this awesome? |
| 16:01.57 | Eddy51 | ok well i'm trying to work out how to find the number of soul shards a warlock has |
| 16:02.32 | mikma | haste: what is the charactername of jack in this one? http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2009/01/11/theshining_wideweb__470x312,0.jpg |
| 16:02.53 | bluspacecow | Sue |
| 16:02.57 | bluspacecow | its why hes so serious |
| 16:03.11 | olafski | yeah life ain't easy for jack |
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| 16:03.54 | olafski | people mistaking him for a dead guy and such http://scifihumor.com/wp-content/gallery/cache/15__530x_jack-nicholson-joker.jpg |
| 16:04.15 | Eddy51 | i was thinking GetItemCount("Soul Shard") but there not really items so not sure. Anyone know how it would be done? |
| 16:04.38 | olafski | I think they are items oO |
| 16:04.51 | haste | Eddy51: UnitPower('player', SPELL_POWER_SOUL_SHARDS) |
| 16:05.18 | Fisker | btw bluspacecow |
| 16:05.18 | olafski | oh.. sorry I forgot they changed soul shards :P |
| 16:05.19 | Fisker | get this |
| 16:05.21 | Fisker | GET THIS |
| 16:05.29 | Fisker | i can RDP to my server and watch movies on it |
| 16:05.37 | bluspacecow | *waits with baited breath* |
| 16:05.42 | bluspacecow | Squeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 16:06.16 | Eddy51 | great that worked perfect thanks so much :) |
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| 16:12.20 | Ackis | Fisker: I love you |
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| 16:15.25 | airtonix | Fisker: y wud u wunt 2 du tat? |
| 16:19.05 | foxlit | # Hello. Is there anybody in there? |
| 16:20.46 | bluspacecow | just nod if you can hear me |
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| 16:27.56 | Ackis | farts |
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| 16:46.21 | bluspacecow | weird |
| 16:46.38 | bluspacecow | 2nd times thats happend in Minecraft |
| 16:47.04 | bluspacecow | mc window goes black , whole computer slows down attempting to force quit it ...map changes not saved. |
| 16:47.29 | bluspacecow | could that be due to the portal gun mod change i did to minecraft.jar ? |
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| 16:50.27 | Fisker | don't be a jerk bluspacecow |
| 16:50.32 | mikma | bluspacecow: delete META-INF in the minecraft.jar |
| 16:50.53 | bluspacecow | is that what that crash means ? kk mikma |
| 16:51.10 | mikma | well that's what helped with me when i forgot to delete it :D |
| 16:51.38 | bluspacecow | manage to lost most of my stuff tho .... it crashed and when i loaded into my world again it had saved my position change but not the mpa change |
| 16:51.56 | bluspacecow | so it didn't have the tunnel i was tunneling .... and i appeared in solid rock |
| 16:51.58 | bluspacecow | :( |
| 16:54.00 | Zhinjio | that sounds darned inconvenient |
| 16:56.28 | bluspacecow | it is |
| 16:56.47 | bluspacecow | nothing i can't make again or get back after maybe 30 - 45 mins of grinding |
| 16:56.57 | bluspacecow | ah well |
| 16:57.03 | bluspacecow | the mod was good while it lasted |
| 16:57.13 | bluspacecow | might limit its use to special minecraft portal maps |
| 16:57.30 | bluspacecow | i got a back up copy of the minecraft.jar ... reverting will be easy :) |
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| 17:04.20 | foxlit | wtb... action bar addon configuration screenshots? |
| 17:05.14 | foxlit | Though I suppose they have it easy with drag-and-drop |
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| 17:07.58 | foxlit | Did I mention how much I hate wowinterface's use of lightbox for addon screenshots? |
| 17:08.11 | foxlit | Breaks my standard right-click-to-get-a-link menu :( |
| 17:08.20 | bluspacecow | not yet |
| 17:08.28 | foxlit | http://s.wowinterface.com/preview/pvw44805.jpg << the hex skin is awesome, though |
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| 17:13.03 | Ackis | is there an armory equivalent for rift? |
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| 17:17.17 | Fisker | why would there be Ackis ? |
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| 17:28.56 | bluspacecow | http://pastebin.com/vyD8B9n5 |
| 17:29.51 | Ackis | hey Fisker I killed a man. |
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| 18:15.31 | mikma | haste: i love my work :D -> http://mikma.eu/mining/huittinen.avi |
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| 18:19.53 | haste | mikma: would have been extra awesoe with a high-speed camera |
| 18:20.14 | mikma | i'll put adam and jamie on it asap |
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| 18:27.07 | Adys | mikma: i was watching mythbusters the moment i watched that vid |
| 18:31.11 | mikma | adys: and i just finished s09e01 before i decided to edit that video :D |
| 18:31.26 | Adys | i watched s9e1 days ago |
| 18:31.31 | Adys | so that doesnt really count |
| 18:31.51 | mikma | i have s09e02 going on but i paused it cause i cut that video :D |
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| 18:56.24 | Lunessa | station |
| 18:57.08 | bluspacecow | anyone know the email address for EU tech support ? |
| 18:57.19 | bluspacecow | the US side has one just wondering what the EU one is |
| 18:57.49 | p3lim | I belive they use a webform for that |
| 18:58.03 | bluspacecow | got a link for it ? |
| 18:58.17 | bluspacecow | my google foo seems to be failing me this morn |
| 18:58.17 | p3lim | eu.battle.net > support |
| 18:59.10 | p3lim | havent set up my shell yet, so can't paste links |
| 18:59.17 | bluspacecow | kk |
| 18:59.40 | p3lim | but just follow the link there, choose wow then on the left side there should be a link "email form" or something |
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| 19:05.57 | Krapsy | http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/gsvjr/for_those_of_you_confused_or_out_of_the_loop/ |
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| 19:09.34 | Lunessa | That Judaism for Passover. I can buy coke make with sugar instead of HFCS. Woo! |
| 19:10.26 | Krapsy | hoho Lunessa |
| 19:11.00 | Lunessa | That should be "Thank" not "That." |
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| 19:23.57 | Yoshimo | if wow turns white before it finishes the loading screen and doesnt react anymore, what could cause this? |
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| 19:36.11 | Fisker | do the jerkse bluspacecow |
| 19:36.35 | bluspacecow | *dances awkaredly* |
| 19:36.57 | Fisker | jerk move bluspacecow |
| 19:37.21 | bluspacecow | lolz |
| 19:39.47 | Krapsy | mydo you agree with that redditor Fisker |
| 19:44.44 | Ackis | Fisker: did people getting potatos get punked? |
| 19:47.26 | Krapsy | is punked worse than trolled? |
| 19:47.31 | Krapsy | no |
| 19:47.41 | Krapsy | everyone got trolled |
| 19:47.44 | Krapsy | hard |
| 19:48.16 | Ackis | that's pretty krappy |
| 19:48.31 | Krapsy | inorite? |
| 19:48.38 | Ackis | I has potatos tho |
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| 19:50.57 | Krapsy | "See, this is what I love about r/gaming. They rip on console gamers for "buying anything" but the moment a new hat or a special deal comes out on steam they buy it no questions asked then get insulted when they find out the advertising scheme they fell for was just that, an advertising campaign. What the fuck did you expect?" |
| 19:51.09 | Krapsy | the hat thing pissed me off too |
| 19:51.24 | Krapsy | pisses me off in general |
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| 19:53.39 | DWSR | WTB wearing a chef's hat and proper helm at the same time. |
| 19:53.49 | DWSR | So I can be the demonic burger king chef. |
| 19:56.50 | Fisker | WTB hats for all professions |
| 19:57.44 | Meorawr | What would you wear on your head if you picked up herbalism? |
| 19:58.07 | DWSR | Your toon would be smoking a reefer. |
| 19:58.17 | Meorawr | I should pick up herbalism. |
| 19:58.47 | Krapsy | Diablo 3 will have âway more quest content overall than Diablo 2, periodâ |
| 19:59.16 | DWSR | When TRL getting released? |
| 19:59.21 | Coren{de} | will they pull the same sh*t as with SC2 in D3, i.e. no LAN support? |
| 19:59.32 | Cide | who cares? |
| 19:59.37 | Cide | it's not shit, it's 2011 |
| 19:59.38 | DWSR | Coren{de}: The decision to have no LAN was smart, imo |
| 19:59.55 | Cide | there is really no reason whatsoever to have lan support in a game like d3 |
| 20:00.11 | Coren{de} | it's what decides if I play it or not, simple as that |
| 20:00.16 | Cide | AHAHAHAHA. |
| 20:00.26 | DWSR | With broadband penetration what it is, there's no real reason to have LAN support in any games, period. |
| 20:00.27 | Cide | a man of stupid principles, I see |
| 20:00.41 | Cide | in sc2 there is an argument to be had regarding latency, but for most big tournaments that's a solved problem |
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| 20:01.46 | Krapsy | theres still the problem of bnet breaking |
| 20:02.00 | Arrowmaster | can you play your single player game in sc2 without a net connection? i know you can start an offline campaign but i mean the one you have on your bnet account |
| 20:02.16 | DWSR | Arrowmaster: No idea. |
| 20:02.28 | Coren{de} | I want to be able to go in the park with someone else, interlink the two laptops and play with no internet, I don't see what's wrong with that |
| 20:02.31 | DWSR | Just be happy that SC2 didn't go the way Bioware did. |
| 20:02.39 | Meorawr | You can but things like achievements don't work, iirc. |
| 20:02.47 | DWSR | Coren{de}: I do. |
| 20:03.11 | DWSR | In a disconnected environment, all sorts of shenanigans can happen. |
| 20:03.16 | DWSR | Not to mention the obvious issue of piracy. |
| 20:03.30 | Fisker | i disagree DWSR |
| 20:03.45 | DWSR | Fisker |
| 20:03.51 | Arrowmaster | i think the single player campaign in D3 will be so much more important than SC2 that players wont put up for the same kinda thing like SC2 |
| 20:03.54 | DWSR | That's like saying the sky is blue. |
| 20:04.01 | Fisker | not really |
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| 20:04.10 | Fisker | lan play in SC2 would've been nice |
| 20:04.40 | DWSR | *shrug* |
| 20:04.46 | DWSR | Lots of things would have been nice in SC2. |
| 20:06.40 | foxlit | To be fair, even in D2, it's better to play on their servers than on your local machine |
| 20:07.11 | Arrowmaster | i rarely ever played D2 on bnet |
| 20:07.46 | Cide | Coren{de}: why would you do that |
| 20:07.53 | Cide | Coren{de}: you wouldn't be able to use your bnet characters |
| 20:08.15 | Coren{de} | Cide: And your point it? |
| 20:08.22 | Coren{de} | s/it/is/G |
| 20:08.35 | Fisker | s/even/only/ |
| 20:08.36 | Cide | a casual one-time park play session is useless |
| 20:09.06 | Fisker | also playing D2 for a weekend even without your own character was pretty fun |
| 20:09.14 | DWSR | Anyone that can recommend an addon that implements a shopping list for professions when visiting trainers or the AH? |
| 20:09.14 | Coren{de} | Cide: we seem to think of games in orthogonally different endeavours |
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| 20:10.00 | Cide | apparently |
| 20:10.08 | Cide | even so wireless broadband is dirt cheap |
| 20:10.29 | Cide | or wireless tethering via 3g/whatever you guys have |
| 20:10.37 | Coren{de} | the day I rate fun with a friend less important than a higher GearScore, is not the day I want to know me any longer... |
| 20:10.45 | DWSR | Cide: Wireless tethering here costs an arm and a leg |
| 20:10.49 | bluspacecow | got pawned by a skeleton and zombies and i was like *sadface* |
| 20:11.04 | bluspacecow | died twice more trying to get back my items *sadface* |
| 20:11.06 | Cide | android ships with it and you have unlimited data plans no? |
| 20:11.12 | foxlit | DWSR: flee! |
| 20:11.23 | DWSR | Cide: Unlimited data does not exist in Canada. |
| 20:11.24 | Cide | Coren{de}: so get wireless broadband or have your friend/you come over to either house |
| 20:11.25 | DWSR | In the US maybe. |
| 20:11.33 | bluspacecow | giving up on recovering said items when getting to where i died then finding out i was in teh wrong place ? *facepalm* |
| 20:11.39 | Cide | anyway |
| 20:11.48 | DWSR | And yeah, Android ships with it, if you have Gingerbread. |
| 20:11.54 | Cide | the "I better have all options ever available or I won't have ANY of it!!" is a really silly viewpoint |
| 20:11.58 | DWSR | My phone only has Froyo officially, so they're hacking in wifi tethering. |
| 20:12.05 | Cide | I have froyo with wifi tethering |
| 20:12.11 | DWSR | Lucky you. |
| 20:12.18 | DWSR | The kernel on mine doesn't support it OOTB. |
| 20:12.28 | DWSR | So I'm waiting for CM7 and the custom kernel. |
| 20:13.46 | Coren{de} | Cide: Sure, that makes totally sense to get wireless, when I then want to go to a non-domestic location where broadband falters... sounds like a plan |
| 20:14.47 | Fisker | Cide until we get quantum entanglement down, wireless is going to be shit |
| 20:15.14 | Cide | not true Fisker |
| 20:15.22 | Cide | you're asking for such an edge case that it isn't worth supporting even for the most vocal of minorities |
| 20:15.28 | Cide | but sure |
| 20:15.32 | Fisker | very true Cide |
| 20:15.39 | Fisker | it's also not worth unsupporting it |
| 20:15.43 | Fisker | bam |
| 20:15.56 | Cide | unsupporting would require writing the code only to pull it for some reason |
| 20:16.09 | Cide | if you'd rather not enjoy the awesomeness that will be diablo 3 gameplay, go ahead and skip on it because you can't play in the park once a year |
| 20:16.51 | Fisker | Considering both SC2's and Diablo 3's developement i'm pretty sure that both games have had lan support |
| 20:17.06 | Cide | but yes, we seem to think of games in orthogonally different endeavours; I like to play them to have fun. I may not be able to do everything under the sun with them, but as long as I can have fun equal or greater than the value of the game, I'm there |
| 20:17.07 | Krapsy | do you hate valve now Fisker? |
| 20:17.12 | Fisker | yes Krapsy |
| 20:17.28 | Cide | lan support opens up a ton of attack vectors for piracy |
| 20:17.54 | Fisker | suuure |
| 20:17.59 | Coren{de} | it's not even a question of "support", they have the network stack there nayways, and the only difference is sending an initial broadcast from time to time |
| 20:18.43 | Fisker | piracy support also opens up a ton of attack vectors for additional customers |
| 20:18.44 | Cide | but it trivializes piracy |
| 20:19.10 | Cide | Fisker: unless you can show me where trivializing piracy increases revenue I'll disagree |
| 20:19.12 | Fisker | multiplayer piracy have _always_ been horrible |
| 20:19.41 | Fisker | unless you can show me where trivializing lan support increases piracy, i'll disagree |
| 20:20.18 | Cide | I haven't found a study but it's often cited by the industry |
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| 20:20.38 | Adys | mikma |
| 20:20.40 | Adys | HALP. http://i.imgur.com/tcOhD.png |
| 20:20.55 | Cide | Fisker: http://www.actiontrip.com/link.phtml?http://www.gamespot.com/news/6212765.html?part=rss&tag=gs_news&subj=6212765 |
| 20:21.02 | Fisker | the industry also oftens cite piracy as a lack of proper game support |
| 20:21.07 | Cide | err, http://www.gamespot.com/news/6212765.html?part=rss&tag=gs_news&subj=6212765 |
| 20:21.09 | Olison | the craft of mines |
| 20:21.12 | mikma | adys: balls are touching |
| 20:21.19 | Fisker | well, atleast the industry not paying lobbyists to change legislation are |
| 20:21.41 | Cide | naturally; the fear of piracy causes a bunch of stupid decisions |
| 20:21.53 | Fisker | The music industry is also using decreased album sales (despite overall increased sales) as a reason why piracy is hurting the industry |
| 20:22.13 | Cide | show me where piracy increases the music industry sales |
| 20:22.25 | Coren{de} | uh, isn't the DMCA something that's rather pushed by software industries? |
| 20:22.29 | Fisker | piracy have increased |
| 20:22.31 | Fisker | so have sales |
| 20:22.32 | Cide | and that it doesn't have to do with better ways of purchasing music that they have slowly been giving in to |
| 20:22.35 | Fisker | woo |
| 20:22.37 | Cide | that's not a sound argment |
| 20:22.39 | Cide | argument |
| 20:22.43 | durcyn | correlation without causation, Fisker |
| 20:22.48 | Fisker | neither is the others Cide |
| 20:22.53 | Fisker | i know durcyn |
| 20:22.55 | Cide | in a growing city, the number of firemen and fires both increase |
| 20:23.02 | Cide | that is not an argument that firemen cause fires |
| 20:23.03 | Fisker | but atleast i don't pretend that they are :) |
| 20:23.09 | Cide | firefighters is the english word I guess |
| 20:23.12 | mikma | adys: trust the .. err. cart rule! |
| 20:23.26 | DWSR | Cide: Piracy has been pushing the evolution of digital distribution. |
| 20:23.30 | mikma | adys: looks like jolly kinky system |
| 20:23.31 | Cide | naturally |
| 20:23.31 | Adys | mikma: im trying to simplify it |
| 20:23.39 | Cide | but digital distribution may be the reason sales are increasing, not piracy |
| 20:23.46 | DWSR | Cide: Ergo, music piracy has been increasing sales. |
| 20:23.48 | Adys | its a 2-way left-drive minecart station |
| 20:23.50 | Cide | no. |
| 20:23.52 | DWSR | Yes. |
| 20:24.01 | Cide | music piracy has lead to a paradigm shift which in turn has increased sales |
| 20:24.05 | DWSR | Yes. |
| 20:24.06 | Cide | piracy itself is not responsible |
| 20:24.11 | DWSR | Of course it is. |
| 20:24.15 | Fisker | sure is |
| 20:24.15 | Cide | had said shift happened without piracy the sales would have gone up anyway |
| 20:24.19 | Cide | thus piracy is not directly responsible |
| 20:24.32 | DWSR | Sure. |
| 20:24.34 | Fisker | that's like saying planes didn't cause the towers on 9/11 to collapse |
| 20:24.36 | Fisker | gravity di |
| 20:24.36 | DWSR | ^ |
| 20:24.37 | Fisker | did |
| 20:24.44 | Cide | no |
| 20:24.47 | Fisker | yes |
| 20:25.03 | DWSR | yes |
| 20:25.25 | Cide | you're assuming there are other ways to destabilize a building that are equally likely to happen |
| 20:25.57 | DWSR | Earthquake. |
| 20:25.59 | DWSR | Volcano. |
| 20:26.00 | DWSR | Meteor. |
| 20:26.07 | Cide | my argument regarding the paradigm shift is sound whereas you can always argue that smaller forces force the change |
| 20:26.11 | DWSR | Have collapsed more skyscrapers than terrorist attacks. |
| 20:27.00 | Cide | "the cat died because it got hit by the car" -- "no, the impulse caused too much internal injury" -- "no, the internal injury caused the heart to stop" -- "no, ..." |
| 20:27.19 | Cide | ... "no, the strong force caused an atom to be displaced, ultimately causing its death." |
| 20:27.19 | DWSR | Cide: Paradigm shifts don't just happen. |
| 20:27.32 | DWSR | They are caused. |
| 20:27.50 | DWSR | What causes the shift is different in every case, and in the case of the music and gaming industries, it was piracy. |
| 20:27.55 | Cide | and you don't think we would have moved towards being able to purchase music online without piracy? |
| 20:27.59 | DWSR | No. |
| 20:28.03 | Cide | concert tickets are not pirated |
| 20:28.09 | Cide | and you always buy concert tickets online |
| 20:28.20 | Fisker | concert tickets are "pirated" all the time |
| 20:28.23 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 20:28.25 | DWSR | Scalpers. |
| 20:28.30 | Cide | that's not piracy, that's reselling |
| 20:28.32 | Fisker | and fakers |
| 20:28.45 | DWSR | Cide: A rose by any other name. |
| 20:28.49 | Cide | no? |
| 20:28.50 | DWSR | Yes. |
| 20:28.58 | Cide | how is stealing and reselling the same thing |
| 20:29.04 | Fisker | Then make more valid comparisons |
| 20:29.08 | DWSR | ^ |
| 20:29.14 | Cide | tell me how it's a bad comparison |
| 20:29.24 | Cide | and make some own arguments instead of typing "^" half the time, DWSR |
| 20:29.25 | Fisker | One can't be pirated |
| 20:29.33 | Cide | which was my point |
| 20:29.37 | DWSR | Cide: He types faster than I do, and I echo his sentiments. |
| 20:29.40 | Fisker | yes |
| 20:29.43 | Fisker | so cars kill people |
| 20:29.46 | DWSR | Or has a lower ping time, your choice. |
| 20:29.46 | Fisker | because of increased piracy |
| 20:29.48 | Fisker | herp derp |
| 20:29.53 | Cide | a product which cannot be pirated has seen the same shift in sales towards digital distribution as music |
| 20:30.19 | Fisker | it can be "pirated" i.e. distributed in ways the distributer doesn't want them to be distributed |
| 20:30.25 | Cide | that is NOT piracy |
| 20:30.33 | Fisker | No exactly |
| 20:30.40 | Fisker | Which is why you CAN'T USE IT AS A VALID COMPARSION |
| 20:30.49 | Fisker | we're just nice and letting your poor analogy slide |
| 20:30.52 | Cide | of course I can, it's the basis of my whole argment |
| 20:31.03 | Cide | it cannot be pirated yet it STILL sees the same shift |
| 20:31.14 | DWSR | Cide: We're talking about your car analogy. |
| 20:31.17 | DWSR | Or, he is, I think. |
| 20:31.22 | Cide | no you aren't... |
| 20:31.34 | Cide | mmorpg's cannot be pirated but they're still purchased online |
| 20:31.41 | Cide | take any product you want and you will find it being sold online |
| 20:32.06 | DWSR | Cide: mmos were sold in stores long before they were sold online. The timeline goes brick & mortar->Piracy->online distribution. |
| 20:32.10 | Cide | naturally I'm sure piracy has been driving online music distribution a fair bit, but to say that the shift wouldn't happen without piracy is just totally unsupported |
| 20:32.16 | DWSR | Not brick & mortar->online->piracy |
| 20:32.30 | DWSR | Cide: Saying that the shift would have happened anyway is conjecture. |
| 20:32.43 | Cide | no, there is evidence to support it in every other category |
| 20:33.01 | Cide | clothes, make up, chocolate, take your pick |
| 20:33.08 | Coren{de} | ... where there's no huge oligothingy behind it |
| 20:33.15 | Cide | oligothingy? |
| 20:33.17 | DWSR | Oligarchy? |
| 20:33.21 | Coren{de} | RIAA for clothes? |
| 20:33.35 | DWSR | MPAA for make up |
| 20:33.37 | DWSR | hehe |
| 20:33.54 | DWSR | Cide: There's no analogy for the MPAA and RIAA for many other goods which are sold online. |
| 20:34.01 | Cide | and that makes a difference? |
| 20:34.03 | Cide | how? |
| 20:34.07 | Coren{de} | like hell it does |
| 20:34.10 | Cide | how? |
| 20:34.35 | Cide | I think the online distribution of music may have been accelerated by the extensive piracy |
| 20:34.48 | Cide | but to say that it wouldn't happen just doesn't seem plausible to me at all |
| 20:35.01 | Coren{de} | oligarchies try to maximize profit in the most conservative way possible, always |
| 20:35.17 | Cide | indeed, the music industry has been quite conservative |
| 20:35.35 | Cide | but the consumers want online distribution and that would force them to realize how profitable it is sooner or later |
| 20:35.45 | Dagmar | That's not really the problem |
| 20:35.49 | Cide | when it's happened in every other product category without piracy I'm sure it would happen in the music industry sooner or later |
| 20:35.56 | Coren{de} | opening up to progression means opening up to competition, which means in-fighting or even ending the oligarchy |
| 20:36.06 | Cide | right, but no actor has the full market share |
| 20:36.14 | Cide | the ones that do open up will force the others to follow |
| 20:36.18 | DWSR | Cide: sure, but if the source of the good is being controlled exclusively by one group, then consumers can't really vote with their dollars. |
| 20:36.19 | Dagmar | The main problem is that they're too busy trying to find new ways to make people pay for their music over and over again to give a flying shit about a "simple sale" |
| 20:36.32 | Cide | it is never controlled exclusively by one group |
| 20:36.35 | Coren{de} | as long as the major players agree on how the market should revolve, the market share game is only on paper |
| 20:36.37 | Dagmar | The last thing they want to do is actually *sell* you a copy of a song |
| 20:36.46 | DWSR | Cide: How many major labels are part of the RIAA? |
| 20:36.55 | Cide | Dagmar: yes, but that's not really part of this discussion but more of your personal rant |
| 20:37.03 | DWSR | How much of total music sales are through RIAA labels? |
| 20:37.09 | Dagmar | No, it's more or less exactly what's wrong |
| 20:37.13 | Cide | the vast majority I'm sure |
| 20:37.26 | Dagmar | They aren't adopting online sales of mp3's because they don't *want* to sell people anything |
| 20:37.30 | DWSR | Cide: Before digital distribution, would you say probably >90%, maybe even 95%? |
| 20:37.43 | Dagmar | There's ludicrously greater profit to be had from something as simple as *ringtone licencing* |
| 20:37.50 | Cide | I have no real numbers but that sounds reasonable, DWSR |
| 20:38.02 | Coren{de} | realistic, but not reasonable :> |
| 20:38.05 | Cide | yes, Dagmar, but I don't see how it's relevant to the discussion |
| 20:38.11 | DWSR | Cide: Then it stands to reason that, for a large number of consumers, there was no reasonable alternative than to pay money to these labels. |
| 20:38.17 | Cide | I'm not a native speaker of english, but thank you Coren{de} |
| 20:38.25 | Cide | sure |
| 20:38.40 | DWSR | Coren{de} and Cide: Both reasonable and realistic were correct in that context. |
| 20:38.54 | Cide | but the RIAA is not one entity in the sense of a label; any one label in the RIAA may choose to start distributing music online |
| 20:39.10 | Cide | there is nothing in the goals of the RIAA that prevents that |
| 20:39.11 | Coren{de} | lol |
| 20:39.15 | DWSR | Cide: You assume that the other members of the RIAA would allow such a thing to happen. |
| 20:39.23 | DWSR | Cide: The goal is to get rich. |
| 20:39.31 | Cide | certainly |
| 20:39.31 | DWSR | Innovation costs money. |
| 20:39.32 | Cide | but the labels are still independent |
| 20:39.36 | Dagmar | ..excepting hte whole "selling music doesn't make money" thing |
| 20:39.38 | DWSR | ^ |
| 20:39.55 | Cide | and they do make money off online distribution |
| 20:39.58 | Cide | they make a shitton of money |
| 20:40.00 | DWSR | Cide: They do now. |
| 20:40.08 | Arrowmaster | the publishers do, not the authors |
| 20:40.08 | DWSR | But it took them a lot of money to get the platforms up and running. |
| 20:40.15 | Cide | and had any of the labels decide to go for that route, piracy or not, they would today, too |
| 20:40.16 | DWSR | Arrowmaster: We're not talking about the authors. |
| 20:40.25 | Dagmar | THey're making slightly less money now than they were after the songwriters got fed up with their bullshit |
| 20:40.36 | Dagmar | God forbid the labels actually pay songwriters |
| 20:40.37 | Arrowmaster | publishers are nothing but greedy scum |
| 20:41.22 | Cide | I don't think RIAA without piracy would result in no digital distribution of music |
| 20:41.28 | DWSR | Cide: Companies want to make money. If the RIAA labels have a stranglehold on the music industry (95%), then they can effectively do whatever the hell they want. |
| 20:41.29 | Cide | but feel free to present a solid argment |
| 20:41.36 | Cide | no, they can do a lot of things |
| 20:41.37 | DWSR | And there's no one to stop them. |
| 20:41.54 | Cide | but you're saying they act as a single entity whereas they to my knowledge are still independent labels ultimately |
| 20:41.59 | DWSR | Cide: Clearly whatever they want within the context. |
| 20:42.04 | Dagmar | I think if it weren't for rampant piracy they would have never bothered to do any digital distribution |
| 20:42.05 | Coren{de} | The law could stop them, but they can buy the law... :> |
| 20:42.10 | DWSR | ^ |
| 20:42.20 | Cide | the RIAA lists its goals as "1) to protect intellectual property rights and the First Amendment rights of artists; 2) to perform research about the music industry; 3) to monitor and review relevant laws, regulations and policies." -- Wikipedia |
| 20:42.31 | Coren{de} | lol |
| 20:42.39 | Cide | is that not what it's doing? |
| 20:42.41 | DWSR | Cide: What they say and what they do behind closed doors are entirely different. |
| 20:42.42 | DWSR | Cide: No. |
| 20:42.48 | Cide | what point do you disagree with? |
| 20:42.49 | Coren{de} | and TEPCO lists a great environment as goal, huh? crap |
| 20:42.53 | Dagmar | In part because by this point in time, they'd look pretty stupid standing before a judge claiming huge damages from someone for something so trivial that they were simply refusing to have anything to do with |
| 20:43.14 | Cide | what do they do that is not in those goals, DWSR? |
| 20:43.22 | Coren{de} | goals are not worth toilet paper |
| 20:43.37 | Cide | depends on if they act on the goals or if they do something orthogonal to said goals |
| 20:43.43 | Cide | so what do they do that is orthogonal? |
| 20:44.10 | Dagmar | Better to play along and pretend to be interested in digital music sales while you continue to fuck over the makers of mp3 players with frivolous lawsuits claiming mp3 players induce piracy so they deserve some of the money from sales of every unit, and the makers of blank media, because people put pirated music on CDRs... |
| 20:44.15 | Coren{de} | 1b most certainly by forcing artists into great "deals" |
| 20:44.48 | Cide | that's not relevant to this discussion |
| 20:44.53 | DWSR | Cide: You honestly think that the RIAA lawsuits against persons who were accused of piracy was for the protection of artists' IP? |
| 20:45.01 | Dagmar | ...and to very aggressively sign deals for rather ephemeral distributions which are not actually distributions but instead are only music rentals that pay on a per-listening basis |
| 20:45.12 | Cide | DWSR: well naturally it is for money and compensation |
| 20:45.18 | Krapsy | braid needs to define the rules of the time thing better |
| 20:45.19 | Cide | but it is in line with that goal, yes |
| 20:45.23 | DWSR | Cide: Compensation for what? |
| 20:45.28 | Cide | lost profits |
| 20:45.30 | Dagmar | DWSR: You have money and they want it |
| 20:45.41 | Coren{de} | argl, the lost-profits ghost has turned up |
| 20:45.45 | Dagmar | It's compensation for them not having as much of your money as possible |
| 20:45.46 | DWSR | Cide: They charged some people in those lawsuits $66k per song! |
| 20:45.58 | nevcairiel | because you spread them as well |
| 20:46.05 | Arrowmaster | Cide: no its not, i remember seeing articles saying the artists were fucking pissed because they havent seen any of the money at all from lawsuits and settlements |
| 20:46.07 | DWSR | nevcairiel: Which was never proven. |
| 20:46.14 | Cide | Arrowmaster: naturally |
| 20:46.22 | Cide | I don't believe the RIAA are particularly honest |
| 20:46.26 | Dagmar | Thanks to lobbyists, no proof of distribution has to be made |
| 20:46.33 | DWSR | Cide: But you believe that they wouldn't price fix the music industry? |
| 20:46.34 | Dagmar | I'm still baffled as to how that's not a habeas issue |
| 20:46.36 | Cide | but by creating widespread (in some sense) fear of piracy they protect the IP by decreasing piracy, in some sense |
| 20:46.47 | Cide | DWSR: hm? |
| 20:47.08 | Cide | I don't particularly agree with their methods but it seems in line with their goals if you squint a bit |
| 20:47.22 | Cide | you barely have to squint at all, tbh :P |
| 20:47.22 | Dagmar | Of course they fix prices |
| 20:47.43 | Dagmar | Manufacturing costs have gone steadily down over time, but the price of the media itself has done nothing but go up |
| 20:47.47 | Cide | I don't see how going after piracy prevents legal online distribution |
| 20:47.47 | DWSR | ^ |
| 20:48.00 | Cide | also not relevant to the discussion |
| 20:48.01 | DWSR | Cide: It doesn't, that's not what we were discussing. |
| 20:48.02 | Coren{de} | I still remember how baffled I was that a CD was intially sold by the same price as Vinyl... while being 40% cheaper in cost |
| 20:48.05 | Arrowmaster | cost of a pressed cd/dvd is so fucking low its crazy |
| 20:48.05 | Dagmar | Going after piracy has nothing to do with legal online distribution |
| 20:48.07 | Cide | it's what we have been discussing |
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| 20:48.22 | Cide | <DWSR> Cide: You assume that the other members of the RIAA would allow such a thing to happen. |
| 20:48.29 | Dagmar | They are simply uninterested in anything like legal online distribution because it doesn't pay $150 a song |
| 20:48.35 | bluspacecow | wot you guys babbling about now *holds hand to ear like deaf old man* |
| 20:48.36 | Cide | you haven't made an argument that would support your statement |
| 20:48.49 | Cide | Dagmar: that's not true |
| 20:48.57 | Cide | online distribution is more or less unlimited |
| 20:49.00 | DWSR | No it's not. |
| 20:49.03 | Cide | sure it is |
| 20:49.05 | Cide | it costs bandwidth |
| 20:49.08 | DWSR | No it's not. |
| 20:49.14 | Dagmar | Hell they're talking about cutting deals with ISPs now and basically taking some of the money you pay the ISP to cover the loss of your de-facto piracy |
| 20:49.23 | Dagmar | If Comcast signs that shit, I'm finding a goddamn lawyer and suing |
| 20:49.28 | DWSR | Dagmar: lol |
| 20:49.37 | DWSR | At least you're capable of piracy. |
| 20:49.39 | Cide | how is a digital song not infinitely (figuratively) copyable? |
| 20:49.47 | DWSR | The bandwidth caps in canada are so low I couldn't pirate much even if I wanted to. |
| 20:49.52 | Dagmar | Cide: because lawyers cost money |
| 20:50.00 | Cide | how is that relevant? |
| 20:50.06 | Dagmar | Trust me, it's relevant. |
| 20:50.13 | Cide | I don't trust you for a second so do explain |
| 20:50.20 | Cide | and they make a ton of money off online distribution |
| 20:50.22 | Dagmar | Lawyers are expensive. |
| 20:50.25 | Cide | indeed |
| 20:50.28 | Cide | but how is it relevant? |
| 20:50.37 | Cide | why do they need a lot of lawyers to do legal online distribution? |
| 20:50.45 | Dagmar | Lawyers have to draft up the licencing agreements and head up the offices that keep track of which artists aren't getting paid if they can damn well help it |
| 20:51.05 | Dagmar | If they made music cheaper just because it can be reproduced endlessly, that would mean less money to pay the lawyers |
| 20:51.08 | Cide | that's a strategy to maximize profits |
| 20:51.21 | Cide | obviously they believe getting lawyers to find ways to not pay artists is profitable |
| 20:51.25 | Cide | otherwise they wouldn't do it |
| 20:51.31 | Cide | hence the lawyers basically earn them money in that case |
| 20:51.46 | DWSR | Basically and actually aren't the same thing. |
| 20:51.49 | Dagmar | ...and there's the key to the problem. |
| 20:51.53 | Cide | how is the logic not sound? |
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| 20:51.58 | Cide | Dagmar seems to think it's sound |
| 20:52.12 | Dagmar | They're demanding money because a lawyer says so--not because an artist created a work of art worth paying for |
| 20:52.29 | DWSR | Dagmar: Amen to that. Some of the shit I've been hearing on the radio lately |
| 20:52.31 | DWSR | Holy lord. |
| 20:52.40 | Cide | I'm not sure what you're arguing for though |
| 20:52.40 | DWSR | Guise, bee tee double u. |
| 20:52.42 | DWSR | It's friday. |
| 20:52.50 | Cide | it makes sense and all but it doesn't contest anything I've said as far as I can keep track |
| 20:53.00 | Dagmar | It's not about the music, it's not about the distribution of music, it's about demanding money. Music is just a type of currency they can print at will. |
| 20:53.06 | Cide | <DWSR> Cide: You assume that the other members of the RIAA would allow such a thing to happen. |
| 20:53.18 | Cide | and yes, I do |
| 20:53.28 | Dagmar | Hasn't happened yet |
| 20:53.40 | Cide | I don't think you know what the context is |
| 20:53.44 | Cide | since it's about digital distribution |
| 20:53.48 | Cide | which definitely has happened yet |
| 20:53.59 | DWSR | Cide: So now you're quoting out of context? |
| 20:54.00 | Cide | but it was in response to the hypothetical scenario where piracy didn't exist |
| 20:54.06 | Cide | no, I'm just quoting it again |
| 20:54.08 | DWSR | Anyway. |
| 20:54.16 | Cide | I'm not quoting it to prove a point |
| 20:54.24 | Cide | but to reiterate that you haven't made a sound argument for your statement |
| 20:54.25 | Dagmar | No member organization of the RIAA does a damn thing |
| 20:54.33 | Dagmar | Only the lawyers who work directly for the RIAA call those shots |
| 20:54.37 | DWSR | Cide: You're saying that you don't think that the RIAA are honest, but you believe their goals? |
| 20:54.38 | Cide | again a totally ranty comment |
| 20:54.50 | Cide | I don't believe the RIAA to be particularly useful |
| 20:55.01 | DWSR | Cide: No, you said you don't think they're honestl |
| 20:55.19 | Dagmar | I think what they *say* they're for is quite reasonable. |
| 20:55.26 | Cide | but I don't think the labels of the RIAA could legally prevent each other from launching online distribution would it not be a collective effort |
| 20:55.29 | Dagmar | It doesn't have anything to do with what they actually, *do*, however. |
| 20:55.33 | DWSR | Cide: Of course they couldn't, legally. |
| 20:55.37 | Cide | there you go. |
| 20:55.42 | Lunessa | You know, digital content is an interesting proposition... it becomes more valuable the more copies are in existence/being used. |
| 20:55.44 | DWSR | Cide: What's legal and what happens isn't the same. |
| 20:55.52 | Cide | we're talking hypotheticals here |
| 20:55.56 | Dagmar | Uh.. None of them want online sales. |
| 20:56.02 | Cide | they all do |
| 20:56.03 | DWSR | Cide: There are plenty of totally illegal things that happen all the time. |
| 20:56.11 | Dagmar | Doesn't matter whether or not all the other member orgs of the RIAA might or might not stop it. |
| 20:56.19 | Cide | they all make a lot of money off online distribution |
| 20:56.33 | Dagmar | I'm not kidding, they absolutely don't want digital online *sales* |
| 20:56.33 | DWSR | Cide: They would have made more money if they hadn't had to have innovated. |
| 20:56.33 | Cide | they're just slow at realizing it |
| 20:56.42 | Cide | sure, but that's not really the point is it |
| 20:56.45 | Dagmar | They want digital online _rentals_ so you keep paying for the same thing over and over again |
| 20:56.47 | DWSR | Of course it is. |
| 20:56.51 | Cide | in a hypothetical world where piracy did not exist |
| 20:56.57 | Cide | you're saying digital distribution would not happen |
| 20:57.18 | DWSR | Cide: In a hypothetical world where piracy doesn't exist as a driving force of change, you think that companies would spontaneously decide to make LESS money? |
| 20:57.28 | Cide | I'm saying it would happen since one label or another would see it as good business to try, given the MASSIVE online footprint of today |
| 20:57.37 | Dagmar | The music industry as we know it is probably going to die utterly before they give up on trying to force everything into higher profit margin channels |
| 20:57.42 | Cide | you never make less money selling something that is infinitely copyable for free |
| 20:57.59 | Dagmar | Yes you do |
| 20:57.59 | Cide | and you said it yourself; since the advent of online distribution music sales have gone up |
| 20:58.12 | DWSR | Cide: Because of piracy. |
| 20:58.12 | Dagmar | You make less money than you would if people only rented it |
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| 20:58.19 | Arrowmaster | Cide: but why would they bother when it literally costs about $0.05 to make a CD |
| 20:58.26 | Cide | Arrowmaster: they wouldn't |
| 20:58.28 | Cide | someone would |
| 20:58.36 | DWSR | Cide: No, someone wouldn't. |
| 20:58.36 | Cide | it'd be an untouched market |
| 20:58.42 | DWSR | Yep. And it would stay that way. |
| 20:58.43 | Cide | so some independent label would jump at it |
| 20:58.53 | Dagmar | Why do you think all the online music lockers are either a) paying labels for the privledge of letting you listen to music you actually bought, or b) sealed rental lockers like Rhapsody |
| 20:58.59 | foxlit | Someone should clearly campaign on the idea that now that music can be instantly distributed worldwide, the length of copyright protection should be shortened. |
| 20:59.00 | Arrowmaster | no they couldnt, because when you buy a CD you buy all the songs so they make more money |
| 20:59.14 | Cide | sure |
| 20:59.31 | Dagmar | They want to paid every time you listen to a song because the profit from that is incredibly much higher than just selling you an mp3 outright where they only make a buck and they're out of the equation |
| 20:59.32 | Cide | but the same is true of a lot of things |
| 20:59.39 | Cide | you still see digital distribution |
| 20:59.51 | DWSR | Cide: You don't see the RIAA or MPAA in other situations. |
| 21:00.02 | Dagmar | They want you to buy that ringtone, where 30s of some shitty pop song pays them more than a that *every month* because you don't own ringtones, you only rent them |
| 21:00.06 | DWSR | They change the game. |
| 21:00.30 | Cide | and even so, since manufacturing costs of CD's are lower than ever (reasonably anyway? I don't have figures to support that statement), you would expect them to make the most profit off each CD right now |
| 21:00.43 | Cide | but they're making more money and their money comes more and more from digital distribution |
| 21:00.55 | DWSR | Cide: Just go to your local electronics store. CD prices used to be $1/CD, now they're like $5 for 100. |
| 21:00.55 | Cide | so there is definitely a market for online distribution and had they not gone for said market someone else would |
| 21:01.02 | Dagmar | ..and yet it's still not *enough* money for them |
| 21:01.12 | Arrowmaster | with a CD they get multiple sales to the same person because of lost/stolen/broken physical media |
| 21:01.12 | Cide | that is true of all companies, Dagmar |
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| 21:01.26 | Dagmar | DWSR: Unless you are in Canada |
| 21:01.31 | Cide | Arrowmaster: I think all but the broken part are negligible |
| 21:01.34 | DWSR | Dagmar: It's so fucking true. |
| 21:01.44 | Arrowmaster | they dont want a situation where they only ever get a single sale of an item to a person |
| 21:01.48 | DWSR | Dagmar: Fuck this country. It's such a backwater. |
| 21:02.00 | Dagmar | DWSR: ...because in Canada you're paying up front for all the pirated music you're clearly going to be putting on those blank CDs |
| 21:02.01 | Cide | Arrowmaster: that's simplifying it a bit too much |
| 21:02.09 | Cide | they want to maximize profits, not sales |
| 21:02.10 | DWSR | Dagmar: Clearly. |
| 21:02.23 | Cide | sales as in number of sales |
| 21:02.31 | DWSR | Cide: Repeat sales are still sales. |
| 21:02.34 | Cide | naturally |
| 21:02.46 | Cide | but the online footprint of today demands online music |
| 21:02.50 | Arrowmaster | and still profit, so by limiting the number of sales they limit the possible profit |
| 21:02.57 | DWSR | Cide: Of course it does, because pirates made it so. |
| 21:02.57 | Dagmar | I can just about guarantee you that ther'es someone over there with a specific figure that they consider to be a *loss* of money every time someone buys an mp3 outright |
| 21:03.01 | Cide | DWSR: not true |
| 21:03.16 | Cide | there is no piracy of clothes yet tons of consumers want to exclusively purchase clothes online |
| 21:03.20 | DWSR | Cide: Even if digital distribution was inevitable, you wouldn't see the choices you see today. |
| 21:03.23 | Dagmar | ...because if you buy it and can listen to it over and over again, then that's that many plays of the track they're not getting paid for you to hear through a rental service |
| 21:03.25 | Cide | of course |
| 21:03.32 | Cide | my argument is only that online distribution is inevitable |
| 21:03.34 | DWSR | Cide: You would never be able to actually own the music. |
| 21:03.38 | Arrowmaster | Cide: yes there is, but its a different form of piracy |
| 21:03.40 | Cide | that's not relevant to my argument |
| 21:03.47 | Dagmar | Cide; China pirates clothes all the time |
| 21:03.53 | Cide | that's not the same thing |
| 21:03.57 | DWSR | Yes it is. |
| 21:03.59 | Cide | they're not stealing products, only designs |
| 21:04.04 | DWSR | O.o |
| 21:04.06 | Arrowmaster | yes it is, its the proper definition of piracy |
| 21:04.12 | Dagmar | Hell, if it weren't for the piracy in China, there'd be a few Engrish sites without anything to show |
| 21:04.18 | Xyphoid | i'm so looking forward to the 3d printer IP drama |
| 21:04.36 | Cide | Arrowmaster: that comes down to IP theft than anything though |
| 21:04.44 | Dagmar | Cide: If you don't own the rights to Superman and you put 'Sperman' on a backpack and sell it, that's piracy, even if you're making an ass of yourself |
| 21:05.15 | Cide | yes, I suppose that is piracy |
| 21:05.21 | Dagmar | Theft of IP is piracy. It ain't just music theft that's piracy. |
| 21:05.28 | Cide | so I concede that copying clothes designs is piracy |
| 21:05.36 | Cide | or I concede my argument there rather |
| 21:05.50 | Cide | but even so the rest of said statement is valid |
| 21:06.00 | DWSR | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piracy#Pirate_democracy <-- Man, pirates had good fringe benefits. |
| 21:06.29 | DWSR | $156k for a leg? |
| 21:06.37 | Dagmar | Xyphoid: they'll have to get some that don't a) cost a mint and b) make everything look a little melty and smell funny before that drama starts up |
| 21:06.41 | DWSR | I bet you there's insurance companies today that wouldn't pay that much |
| 21:07.35 | Dagmar | The moment those fabs become *cheap* will be when they start getting sued by all sorts of interests |
| 21:08.03 | Arrowmaster | DWSR: well today though medical insurance would end up paying more than that over time |
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| 21:08.11 | Dagmar | Particularly the moment you can use one to make a convincing Barbie or My Little Pony or Spongebob, the lawyers will start circling |
| 21:08.14 | DWSR | I doubt it. |
| 21:08.29 | Cide | Fisker: the current focus seems really poorly chosen |
| 21:08.43 | Krapsy | what theres a marijuana subreddit |
| 21:08.53 | DWSR | Krapsy: LINK |
| 21:08.55 | DWSR | NaO |
| 21:09.05 | Krapsy | http://www.reddit.com/r/trees/ |
| 21:10.26 | DWSR | Krapsy: First link is trulzy. |
| 21:11.39 | Dagmar | We need Valve to block releases of Portal 2 to Sweden until 1.5 is out |
| 21:11.51 | bluspacecow | of MC ? |
| 21:11.55 | Dagmar | Yes. |
| 21:12.17 | Dagmar | He's talking about how early he can skip out of the office tomorrow |
| 21:12.22 | Dagmar | NYET! |
| 21:12.30 | DWSR | oh yeah |
| 21:12.30 | Cide | hey now |
| 21:12.35 | DWSR | Portal 2 tomorrow, right? |
| 21:12.39 | Cide | 10 hours |
| 21:12.43 | DWSR | Oh shit. |
| 21:12.46 | DWSR | I should probably pre-order. |
| 21:12.48 | ckknight | Dagmar: 1.5? |
| 21:12.48 | DWSR | And unlock it. |
| 21:12.50 | DWSR | giggity. |
| 21:12.50 | Dagmar | Bugs or not, time to release that baby if he's going to spend the next few days playing Portal 2 |
| 21:13.06 | Stanzilla | http://disgui.se/images/gman.jpg :o |
| 21:13.15 | Dagmar | ckknight: Yeah' |
| 21:13.42 | bluspacecow | @ckknight version 1.5 of minecraft which has more features stuffed into then a cheeseburger from mcds |
| 21:13.52 | Lunessa | Interesting... http://www.economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2011/04/internet_freedom |
| 21:13.57 | Dagmar | We're quite used to new releases being buggy as hell |
| 21:15.34 | foxlit | It's never going to be released. |
| 21:15.44 | foxlit | Why not continue with this perpetual beta state forever? |
| 21:15.52 | Dagmar | He's been showing off a video with awesome weather, and mentions "powered rails" which sounds like the sort of thing everyone with 10 bits of minetrack desperately wants |
| 21:16.38 | foxlit | microcontroller blocks, imo |
| 21:16.39 | Dagmar | foxlit: I don't think many of care if it never hits "final release". |
| 21:16.43 | DWSR | Lunessa: I like how Canada isn't even on that list. |
| 21:16.57 | Dagmar | er many of us |
| 21:17.07 | Dagmar | ...but I do want weather back, badly |
| 21:17.15 | Lunessa | DWSR: Lots aren't. I suspect the full report has a bigger chart. |
| 21:17.24 | Dagmar | Snow, rain, and *lightning*? Holy crap man |
| 21:17.34 | DWSR | I should really get into Minecraft. |
| 21:17.46 | nevcairiel | lightning in MC graphics, is that white blocks in the direction of the sky? |
| 21:17.54 | Dagmar | Linedraw, actually |
| 21:17.55 | nevcairiel | and rain, is big blue blocks falling down? |
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| 21:18.02 | nevcairiel | must be awesome. |
| 21:18.02 | Dagmar | Check his twitter page for a video showing it |
| 21:18.03 | foxlit | Just what the heck is "Internet freedom score"? |
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| 21:32.37 | *** topic/#wowuidev is http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ || 4.0.x ToC: 40000 || #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting || BC Tickets on Sale May 21 and 25th. http://bit.ly/dR0B0R || "I rhing inxoneol and fewroep sis PEWRRY FOOD JOV" -tem | Test Sylvanaar's IDE: http://bit.ly/hxTzyh || Happy Birthday Kaelten! |
| 21:32.41 | Kraps | importing your FB list? |
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| 21:33.52 | karl_w_w | no |
| 21:35.53 | karl_w_w | and if i was, i doubt the cap is lower than 69 |
| 21:36.13 | bluspacecow | http://www.aperturescience.com/glados@home/ |
| 21:36.19 | bluspacecow | 9.5 hrs ? |
| 21:37.05 | zenzelezz | meh, screw Portal 2. I'll save it for when it's half price |
| 21:37.35 | Cide | umad |
| 21:38.02 | zenzelezz | quite |
| 21:39.04 | foxlit | zenzelezz: horrible, horrible plan |
| 21:39.13 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:39.14 | foxlit | In 10 hours, this place is going to be overrun with mentions of cake. |
| 21:39.22 | foxlit | What will you do then? |
| 21:40.11 | Kraps | cake by itself doesnt mean anything |
| 21:40.25 | zenzelezz | foxlit: then I will do what I do when my coworkers talk about food, stare idly into the air and think of something interesting instead |
| 21:40.26 | foxlit | Cake and laser turrets? |
| 21:40.55 | Xyphoid | cake with spoilers on top i bet |
| 21:41.07 | zenzelezz | Portal was all right, but not fun enough to pay much for. I'm told Portal 2 will be longer, but I'm not convinced it'll be much more interesting |
| 21:45.00 | Cide | it was awesome |
| 21:45.05 | Cide | sorry you didn't like it! |
| 21:45.06 | Fisker | i just lulz'd irl bluspacecow |
| 21:45.09 | Fisker | [23:38:54] <+Kessle> You can mark accievements done in your own profile Tazojin |
| 21:45.10 | Fisker | [23:39:08] <+TriGuN> how? |
| 21:45.10 | Fisker | [23:39:14] <+Kessle> Can't say :( |
| 21:45.10 | Fisker | [23:39:23] <+Kessle> Steamworks NDA :/ |
| 21:45.13 | Fisker | it was like |
| 21:45.17 | Fisker | omg i just came |
| 21:45.26 | zenzelezz | didn't say I didn't like it; I said I didn't like it enough to pay much for |
| 21:45.45 | foxlit | what is worth paying for, then? :) |
| 21:47.06 | zenzelezz | no recent releases I can think of |
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| 21:54.10 | Kraps | http://verydemotivational.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/demotivational-posters-we-have-to-go-deeper.jpg |
| 22:00.01 | Kraps | with a mom like that how could you not? http://cheezcomixed.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/koma-comic-strip-leo-meets-all-sorts-of-interesting-characters.jpg |
| 22:00.38 | Kraps | http://cheezcomixed.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/koma-comic-strip-mineception.jpg |
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| 22:06.37 | p3lim | food suggestions? |
| 22:06.56 | cbreak | http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2011/04/automated-game-ratings-how-a-form-will-affect-the-games-you-download.ars |
| 22:07.04 | cbreak | read the article picture |
| 22:09.21 | Dagmar | Kraps: Looks like Notch knows he's got a decision to make in re to 1.5 or Portal 2. heheh |
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| 22:10.19 | kd3 | if I could skip school tomorrow... |
| 22:11.24 | Kraps | WHAT IS THIS GUY SAYING http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/gt357/well_rgaming_its_been_fun_but_i_have_to_go_off_on/ |
| 22:12.28 | kd3 | I just echo supadude's question to that post |
| 22:13.29 | kd3 | ooh, more portal 2 preload action |
| 22:13.32 | kd3 | another 292 megs |
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| 22:17.03 | DWSR | Someone please explain to me why BG queues aren't fixed yet? |
| 22:17.30 | tlund | DWSR: yeah, because this is the right place for that. |
| 22:18.39 | DWSR | Since I'm unlikely to get a real answer. |
| 22:18.44 | DWSR | Conjecture is the next best option |
| 22:23.29 | Kraps | http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/04/15/ask-chris-53-batman-vs-harry-potter/ |
| 22:26.41 | Cide | oh fuuu |
| 22:26.54 | Cide | I forgot I hadn't preloaded portal 2 on this comp |
| 22:27.30 | Cide | thank god it's preloading in 3mb/s |
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| 22:36.14 | foxlit | http://www.kleinbottle.com/images/klein%20stein%20closeup.jpg |
| 22:36.17 | foxlit | I'm easily amused. |
| 22:36.21 | DWSR | Kraps: Win. |
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| 22:40.36 | Lunessa | http://consumerist.com/2010/02/the-greatest-craigslist-room-rental-ad-ever.html |
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| 22:51.38 | Kraps | "Of course, the real end result of all this is that the second Batman hears there's an extremely pale dude with a high, cruel laugh going around offing people's parents, he and Harry would of course team up to throw the Death Eaters back in Azkaban Asylum." best line in written history ever |
| 22:51.58 | foxlit | btw, nvidia driver update |
| 22:53.35 | DWSR | Lunessa: Win |
| 22:53.59 | Lunessa | That Craig's List ad was for someone here in Houston, and I was amused. |
| 23:02.18 | Cairenn | rofl, that's great copy right there |
| 23:08.25 | Kraps | farewell |
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| 23:21.12 | Lunessa | There's WALLS AND A ROOF. |
| 23:28.29 | Cairenn | heh, yeah |
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| 23:31.02 | jokajak | hola |
| 23:31.23 | jokajak | hugs Cairenn |
| 23:31.26 | karl_w_w | anybody worked with the autocast shine before? |
| 23:31.33 | Cairenn | hi |
| 23:32.04 | jokajak | Cairenn: how are you? |
| 23:32.10 | Cairenn | good, you? |
| 23:32.25 | jokajak | good |
| 23:32.38 | jokajak | still fighting the itch of programming wow addons :) |
| 23:32.45 | Cairenn | heh |
| 23:32.58 | jokajak | trying to dig up a thread on data synchronization |
| 23:33.48 | jokajak | @joshborke |
| 23:33.59 | jokajak | hm, been too long |
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| 23:39.30 | Lunessa | Yo Josh. |
| 23:39.43 | jokajak | sup Lunessa :) |
| 23:40.00 | jokajak | sorry i'm not around much :( |
| 23:40.28 | Lunessa | Yo, life is. Do what makes you happy, not what other people might sort of maybe passively kind of like. |
| 23:40.42 | jokajak | lol |
| 23:40.43 | Cairenn | ^^ |
| 23:40.59 | jokajak | i'm just doing what i have to in order to get through the days |
| 23:41.25 | jokajak | i'm very confused after logging in to wowinterface.com... |
| 23:41.32 | Cairenn | why? |
| 23:41.56 | jokajak | it's so different from what i remember |
| 23:42.07 | Cairenn | ah |
| 23:42.19 | jokajak | that's all, i figured it out though |
| 23:43.00 | jokajak | Lunessa: I do not want to touch skinning BindingsReminder with a 10 foot stick :D |
| 23:43.11 | Cairenn | :) |
| 23:43.40 | Lunessa | Heh. Don't worry about it. I was going to lazily offer some art replacements. |
| 23:43.51 | Lunessa | But I haven't even gotten around to it. |
| 23:44.01 | jokajak | Lunessa: it could definitely use some better artwork |
| 23:44.12 | jokajak | Lunessa: I suck terribly at the GUI stuff |
| 23:44.23 | jokajak | i'm a back-end sort of guy |
| 23:44.29 | jokajak | too bad elkano isn't around |
| 23:44.37 | jokajak | does he still do addons? |
| 23:44.37 | Cairenn | *straight line* |
| 23:44.45 | Lunessa | It's all good. I've been busy (life and all) and all I have is half-written code in a folder on my D: drive. |
| 23:45.04 | jokajak | Cairenn: have you seen BindingsReminder? All of the elements are plain-jane :D |
| 23:45.08 | Lunessa | Cairenn: Back end, eh? How YOU doing? |
| 23:45.13 | jokajak | i'm surprised it still works |
| 23:45.23 | Cairenn | jokajak: nod |
| 23:45.31 | Cairenn | Lunessa: *giggle blush* |
| 23:45.45 | jokajak | lol |
| 23:46.39 | jokajak | hm, where does one go to look up how to make addons? |
| 23:46.56 | Cairenn | ~wowprogramming |
| 23:46.57 | purl | i heard wowprogramming is World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons - http://is.gd/7A3Jx - a book written by Cladhaire (jnwhiteh) and Gazmik, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 23:47.02 | Cairenn | ~frame xml |
| 23:47.02 | purl | ACTION teleports xml into a large wooden frame, adds several props and weapons, then takes a holographic picture with a shiny new 3D-O-Matic Mark II |
| 23:47.07 | Cairenn | bah |
| 23:47.10 | Cairenn | ~framexml |
| 23:47.10 | purl | i heard framexml is Blizzard's UI for WoW. Export code/art from the client by using the wow.exe -console commands "ExportInterfaceFiles code" and "ExportInterfaceFiles art" (must be used on login screen); or view it online at http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source , http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser or http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml |
| 23:47.14 | jokajak | ~joshborke |
| 23:47.14 | purl | Yes, I'm even more stupid than Thrae. I'm also a smart-ass. And apparently I'm not a person, so I don't count. |
| 23:47.25 | jokajak | ah ha, there it is |
| 23:51.15 | jokajak | you know, i bought the wowprogramming book when it first came out and never read it... |
| 23:51.24 | Cairenn | lol |
| 23:51.40 | Cairenn | so you've just been using it as a paper weight? |
| 23:51.42 | Arrowmaster | its on volume 2 now |
| 23:51.46 | Cairenn | kind of silly :p |
| 23:51.58 | jokajak | Cairenn: well, i knew most of it when it came out! i bought it to support the autho! |
| 23:52.08 | Cairenn | I know ;) |
| 23:52.10 | jokajak | and it's a bookend thank you very much |
| 23:52.15 | Cairenn | lol |
| 23:52.33 | jokajak | i tried it as a paper weight but i couldn't see the papers under it so i forgot about them |
| 23:55.02 | jokajak | maybe i'll download wow tonight |
| 23:55.12 | Cairenn | :) |
| 23:55.26 | jokajak | update healwatch |
| 23:55.31 | jokajak | and then uninstall again :D |
| 23:55.49 | Arrowmaster | what does healwatch do? |
| 23:56.13 | jokajak | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info4732-HealWatch.html |
| 23:56.21 | jokajak | Arrowmaster: it displays a list of all heals in real-time |
| 23:56.31 | Torhal | jokajak: So. The resurrection was successful, after all. |
| 23:56.33 | Torhal | :D |
| 23:56.47 | jokajak | Torhal: yes, you did a good job planting the seed |
| 23:56.52 | Torhal | Heh |
| 23:57.33 | jokajak | looking at it more closely it only looks like the combat parsing code needs updates |
| 23:58.36 | jokajak | time to go home |
| 23:58.43 | Cairenn | later :) |
