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| 00:10.22 | mckenziemc | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buridan%27s_ass |
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| 01:07.02 | Ackis | wonder what the odds of finding someone flagged in exodar who I can kill are |
| 01:07.43 | Xyphoid | trial account? |
| 01:08.12 | Xyphoid | it was pretty sad that twoboxing a trial account was the easiest way of getting those holiday achievements |
| 01:08.34 | Ackis | it's the kill 5 players in the enemy city achievement |
| 01:08.46 | Corrodias | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:09.13 | Ackis | I skipped wrath for the most part? |
| 01:09.42 | Corrodias | did you play before thaT? i mean, did you just not think of doing it, or is it a lot easier now? |
| 01:09.55 | Ackis | never thought of doing it |
| 01:12.21 | Gnarfoz | having played before wotlk would not really have helped with achievements, would it now |
| 01:14.43 | mckenziemc | logic is not allowed here, Gnarfoz |
| 01:14.51 | Corrodias | maybe i'm being a bit passive-aggressive. if the only reason to do it were to flip a bit in your account to indicate that you did it, it wouldn't sound worth the effort. |
| 01:15.48 | Gnarfoz | what other point is there to achievements |
| 01:16.09 | Corrodias | well, some of them might be fun to perform. |
| 01:16.25 | Corrodias | i know i'm talking about WoW, here, but there is fun to be had at times. |
| 01:17.24 | mckenziemc | welcome to carrot-on-a-stick game theory |
| 01:17.43 | Xyphoid | trying to figure out how to cheese achievements is at least as entertaining as doing them properly |
| 01:17.46 | Corrodias | if that's the case, there's no reason to wait to do something until after there is an achievement for it unless you just didn't think of it before, or something prevented you from doing it. those are perfectly reasonable situations. |
| 01:17.58 | Corrodias | ah, and there's that! |
| 01:20.13 | Xyphoid | aw, trial accounts can't get to exodar |
| 01:20.41 | mckenziemc | well, to nitpick, they can |
| 01:20.50 | mckenziemc | if they're BC+ trials ;) |
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| 01:26.34 | mckenziemc | @project Gathermate2 |
| 01:26.35 | Repo | mckenziemc: http://www.wowace.com/addons/gathermate2/. GatherMate2. Game: WoW. kagaro (Manager/Author), Nevcairiel (Author), Xinhuan (Author). Updated: 57 days ago. Tickets: 11/32 |
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| 01:43.39 | Kraps | its over |
| 01:45.28 | mckenziemc | wat |
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| 01:46.16 | Kraps | purim |
| 01:47.15 | mckenziemc | oh |
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| 02:05.29 | ckknight | hey all |
| 02:06.04 | Corrodias | good day |
| 02:09.06 | Xinhuan | hi |
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| 02:52.18 | Kraps | herp derp truthers |
| 02:52.40 | Iriel | Mmmmmm fried rice |
| 02:54.19 | Kraps | http://www.slashfilm.com/joseph-gordonlevitt-alberto-falcone-the-dark-knight-rises/#more-100696 |
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| 03:33.26 | Wobin | Kraps: I like JGL |
| 03:55.27 | Kraps | Wobin: yeah hes good |
| 03:56.07 | Wobin | The man can dance |
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| 04:00.12 | Kraps | http://techspy.com/news/725262/apple-approves-gay-cure-app-from-religious-zealots-outrage-ensues |
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| 04:03.19 | mckenziemc1 | ~whaletrout bluspacecow |
| 04:03.19 | purl | ACTION slaps bluspacecow with Hugh's more acrobatic cousin, Milliardo, who in turn slaps bluspacecow around a bit with a large trout |
| 04:03.39 | bluspacecow | hai2u |
| 04:05.17 | mckenziemc1 | : / |
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| 04:08.48 | Wobin | Kraps: Everyone should purchase that app |
| 04:08.51 | Wobin | rate it one star |
| 04:08.55 | Wobin | then demand the refund |
| 04:09.06 | Wobin | the publisher then has to refund 100% of the cost |
| 04:09.12 | Wobin | while only collecting 70% in the first place |
| 04:09.27 | Wobin | Refund reason: Still Gay |
| 04:10.48 | mckenziemc1 | Refund Declined -- Reason: We Know You Like Gay |
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| 04:13.19 | Wobin | mckenziemc1: fortunately, they can't decline the refund |
| 04:13.54 | Wobin | and that's a stupid declination reason anyway for that app |
| 04:14.08 | Wobin | try to be a bit more original in your trolling |
| 04:17.44 | mckenziemc1 | try to be a bit original in your reasons : / |
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| 04:21.42 | mckenziemc1 | mmm, i didn't even read the url title, thought you were misusing the term in the same unoriginal way it normally is |
| 04:25.14 | mckenziemc1 | hence my style |
| 04:28.26 | ckknight | http://vimeo.com/21216091 |
| 04:33.05 | mckenziemc1 | ~trout Cairenn |
| 04:33.05 | purl | ACTION slaps Cairenn around a bit with a large trout! |
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| 05:40.18 | sylvanaar | i was hoping to have my lua debugger UI for IntelliJ done but all I got done was a REPL window, check it out if you want http://www.screencast.com/t/sGNNcjk9DeQ |
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| 05:57.30 | Xinhuan | is enquire the right spelling? or inquire? |
| 06:00.26 | Corrodias | according to the online etymology dictionary, inquire: late 13c., from O.Fr. enquerre, from V.L. *inquærere, from L. in- "into" + quærere "ask, seek" (see query). Respelled 14c. on L. model, but half-Latinized enquire still persists. Related: Inquired; inquiring; inquiringly. |
| 06:00.48 | Corrodias | enquire is "An alternative form mainly used in sense of "to ask a question."" |
| 06:01.52 | Xinhuan | a lot of email address are "enquiries@blahblah.com" |
| 06:01.55 | Xinhuan | so its a little weird |
| 06:02.53 | Shirik | someone help me out here |
| 06:02.55 | Corrodias | it may be that journalists prefer an uncommon way of spelling or doing things, as they like to do, so they're always sending people "enquiries" |
| 06:02.59 | Corrodias | i dunno. |
| 06:03.02 | Shirik | Can someone do a nslookup for me (or dig, or whatever) |
| 06:03.08 | Shirik | mikma? |
| 06:03.25 | mckenziemc1 | "Definition of ENQUIRE. chiefly British variant of inquire, inquiry." |
| 06:03.43 | Corrodias | i expect one of us can, shirik |
| 06:10.12 | mckenziemc1 | thank you, Shirik, for that fine example of an inquiry. |
| 06:10.28 | Shirik | you all lose I got my response :P |
| 06:10.29 | Shirik | but thanks |
| 06:12.01 | mckenziemc1 | wut |
| 06:25.59 | karl_w_w | anybody know exactl how average ilvl is calculated by blizz? |
| 06:30.32 | mckenziemc1 | Yes. It calls a deterministic, 17-dimensional pure function that returns a single value. |
| 06:30.58 | karl_w_w | thank you |
| 06:31.21 | mckenziemc1 | glad i could help :) |
| 06:32.47 | karl_w_w | you see i have this macro /run local t,l,v,h="target",0 NotifyInspect(t) for i=1,18 do if i%13~=4 then h=GetInventoryItemLink(t,i) v=v or not h if not v then l=l+({GetItemInfo(h)})[4] end end end if not v then print(floor(l/16+.5)) end |
| 06:32.55 | karl_w_w | which is right almost all the time |
| 06:33.01 | karl_w_w | but sometimes its slightly over |
| 06:33.07 | karl_w_w | usually by 1 |
| 06:34.55 | mckenziemc1 | that's a clever way of skipping those two slots O.o |
| 06:35.42 | karl_w_w | somebody else's idea, to save characters :P |
| 06:35.52 | mckenziemc1 | yeah |
| 06:38.00 | mckenziemc1 | i'm surprised they don't weight the slots based on stat budget (considering you said it usually matches theirs) |
| 06:40.12 | sylvanaar | then it would be more like gearscore |
| 06:40.38 | mckenziemc1 | wut |
| 06:41.13 | sylvanaar | weighted slots |
| 06:42.27 | karl_w_w | guess ill just settle for it being over |
| 06:42.56 | mckenziemc1 | it's only logical |
| 06:43.00 | sylvanaar | perhaps its just how you round things |
| 06:43.27 | sylvanaar | maybe bliz rounds differently |
| 06:44.06 | karl_w_w | nah because a couple of times it's been over by 2 |
| 06:44.13 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 06:44.15 | Fisker | slaps mckenziemc1 around a bit with a large trout |
| 06:44.17 | Fisker | slaps karl_w_w around a bit with a large trout |
| 06:44.19 | Fisker | slaps sylvanaar around a bit with a large trout |
| 06:44.22 | Fisker | sup |
| 06:44.50 | mckenziemc1 | slaps Fisker around a bit with a Troll Archaeology Fragment. |
| 06:45.23 | sylvanaar | even 2 can be a rounding problem, depends on how many times they round their numbers |
| 06:45.50 | Shirik | rounds sylvanaar |
| 06:46.09 | mckenziemc1 | so that'd be... one foot? |
| 06:46.15 | mckenziemc1 | that's pretty big |
| 06:46.50 | mckenziemc1 | Fisker rounds down to 0 |
| 06:47.46 | sylvanaar | the absolute value of fisker is 0 |
| 06:47.58 | karl_w_w | ok no rounding on mine [14:45:46] Angrytank's average ilvl = 357.375 http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/frostmourne/angrytank/simple |
| 06:48.23 | karl_w_w | oh nvm that one is a gear change |
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| 06:48.57 | mckenziemc1 | maybe blizzard rounds to the nearest two :O |
| 06:49.10 | Fisker | i use round up in your mom mckenziemc1 |
| 06:49.21 | mckenziemc1 | how Fisker |
| 06:49.22 | karl_w_w | could be rounding |
| 06:49.35 | mckenziemc1 | you rank with the eunuchs |
| 06:49.45 | sylvanaar | what i meant was perhaps they mutiply each by 1/numslots then add those up |
| 06:51.01 | Fisker | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roundup_(herbicide) |
| 06:51.05 | Fisker | that's how mckenziemc1 |
| 06:51.53 | mckenziemc1 | but you have no distribution vector |
| 06:53.16 | Fisker | i just farted |
| 06:53.21 | Fisker | goodbye sir |
| 06:54.19 | karl_w_w | hmm |
| 06:54.29 | karl_w_w | it seems to weight 2handers double |
| 06:54.41 | karl_w_w | no wait no it doesnt |
| 06:54.55 | karl_w_w | well that just doesnt make sense |
| 06:55.05 | karl_w_w | it could be ignoring weapons altogether |
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| 06:56.00 | mckenziemc1 | there's always statiscical regression |
| 06:57.40 | mckenziemc1 | btw, i count 17 slots that should affect ilvl; your macro only checks 16 |
| 06:58.50 | karl_w_w | i think ilvl ignore offhand |
| 06:58.55 | karl_w_w | ignores |
| 06:59.02 | karl_w_w | it definitely did back in wotlk |
| 06:59.13 | karl_w_w | and so far it still seems to be true |
| 06:59.23 | mckenziemc1 | ah |
| 07:00.33 | mckenziemc1 | but it could be what sylvanaar said |
| 07:01.05 | mckenziemc1 | would be odd but you never know |
| 07:02.27 | mckenziemc1 | nvm the odd part, i was thinking of something else |
| 07:03.38 | karl_w_w | why would what sylvanaar said give a different number? :P |
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| 07:04.15 | sylvanaar | they could round per slot |
| 07:05.20 | karl_w_w | that would be crazy |
| 07:05.28 | sylvanaar | i agree |
| 07:05.30 | karl_w_w | so it could be true |
| 07:06.53 | karl_w_w | i guess i should figure out why using the macro sometimes causes Message: ...face\AddOns\Blizzard_InspectUI\InspectGuildFrame.lua line 18: |
| 07:07.07 | karl_w_w | try again: i guess i should figure out why using the macro sometimes causes Message: ...face\AddOns\Blizzard_InspectUI\InspectGuildFrame.lua line 18: Usage: GetGuildInfo("unit") as well :P] |
| 07:08.47 | Shirik | http://camels.evilsun.org/index.php |
| 07:09.05 | karl_w_w | blizzard fail |
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| 07:10.16 | karl_w_w | because it calls that somewhere even though there is no inspect frame open |
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| 07:15.26 | Fisker | slaps cncfanatics around a bit with a large trout |
| 07:15.36 | mckenziemc1 | Fisker |
| 07:15.39 | mckenziemc1 | i turn to stone |
| 07:15.43 | mckenziemc1 | when you are gone |
| 07:16.37 | mckenziemc1 | i turn into stone when you ain't coming home i'm turnin' i'm turnin' i'm turnin' to stone |
| 07:16.39 | Fisker | bluspacecow |
| 07:16.41 | Fisker | my friend |
| 07:16.47 | bluspacecow | hai2u |
| 07:16.51 | bluspacecow | i is stuck |
| 07:16.53 | bluspacecow | in Portal |
| 07:16.55 | bluspacecow | :( |
| 07:17.02 | Fisker | n00b |
| 07:17.28 | mckenziemc1 | are you stuck in a hole |
| 07:18.24 | cncfanatics | smacks Fisker with a gigantic mozzarella stick |
| 07:18.31 | cncfanatics | NO SLAPPIN' MEH MISTER |
| 07:18.40 | Fisker | oh but i am |
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| 07:18.59 | mckenziemc1 | i agree |
| 07:19.27 | karl_w_w | where do you report bugs in blizzard's code? :P |
| 07:19.40 | cncfanatics | karl_w_w: forums, I'd assume. |
| 07:19.44 | bluspacecow | im playing wow cause im trying to resist playing minecraft -_- |
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| 07:20.03 | Fisker | btw i lulzed bluspacecow |
| 07:20.11 | bluspacecow | lulz |
| 07:20.14 | Fisker | our f16's have the names of the engineers written on them |
| 07:20.19 | Fisker | which can be seen on the plane |
| 07:20.30 | Fisker | meaning that gadaffi could murder their wives |
| 07:20.43 | Fisker | isn't that funny? |
| 07:20.48 | mckenziemc1 | Fart Model 16s? |
| 07:20.55 | Fisker | no mckenziemc1 |
| 07:21.13 | karl_w_w | yes Fisker |
| 07:21.30 | mckenziemc1 | btw Fisker |
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| 07:22.05 | mckenziemc1 | http://imgur.com/gallery/ZsGLr (courtesy of Wobin) |
| 07:22.36 | mckenziemc1 | (on a side note, i tried shift-clicking the link to paste it as if this was WoW >.> ) |
| 07:23.22 | cncfanatics | mckenziemc1: Get back to WoW already, why are you alt-tabbed out ? |
| 07:24.19 | mckenziemc1 | i need a 2nd monitor :( |
| 07:25.31 | mckenziemc1 | on another side note, i wasn't 'alt-tabbed' out ;) |
| 07:25.48 | mckenziemc1 | windowed mode ftw |
| 07:26.11 | Fisker | lulz farts mckenziemc1 |
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| 07:26.55 | mckenziemc1 | Fisker, your farts are futile |
| 07:27.37 | Fisker | wasn't talking about my farts mckenziemc1 |
| 07:28.11 | mckenziemc1 | (11:53:13 PM) Fisker: i just farted |
| 07:28.11 | mckenziemc1 | (11:53:18 PM) Fisker: goodbye sir |
| 07:28.52 | Fisker | that was over 30 minutes ago mckenziemc1 |
| 07:29.01 | Fisker | that is no longer a topic of conversation |
| 07:29.03 | Fisker | goodbye |
| 07:29.58 | mckenziemc1 | yes, and the previous time you said it was hours before, so by the same reasoning it should've no longer been a topic of conversation |
| 07:31.41 | cncfanatics | Fisker is no longer a topic of conversation, ignore him. |
| 07:31.56 | mckenziemc1 | sounds good |
| 07:36.09 | karl_w_w | wtb "goto" in lua |
| 07:36.23 | mckenziemc1 | wts spaghetti code |
| 07:38.36 | Fisker | mmm spaghetti |
| 07:43.51 | zenzio | Cairenn (and others): http://clientsfromhell.net/post/3987896316/i-made-the-mistake-of-letting-my-wife-see-the |
| 07:44.14 | Cairenn | lol |
| 07:58.23 | Corrodias | so indescribably glad i don't work with customers |
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| 08:04.55 | Wobin | zenzio: that's not too bad, at least he's paying for the change, and not blaming the artist =P |
| 08:05.23 | mikma | shirik: hai |
| 08:05.30 | mikma | shirik: 21.03 08:03 #wowuidev: <@Shirik> mikma? |
| 08:05.41 | mikma | shirik: i is working at that time, kekeke |
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| 08:59.50 | Wobin | Cairenn: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVcEXh1Nj2M&feature=youtu.be |
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| 09:00.49 | Cairenn | *watches* |
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| 09:42.13 | bluspacecow | made it past where i was stuck fisker. |
| 09:42.18 | bluspacecow | kk work time nows |
| 09:49.15 | karl_w_w | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2267578732 = patch day! |
| 09:50.39 | Fisker | i thought it said leetzin :D |
| 09:50.44 | Fisker | and naw man karl_w_w |
| 09:54.49 | karl_w_w | yaw man Fisker |
| 09:54.57 | Fisker | naw |
| 09:55.03 | karl_w_w | no other reason for a long maintenance atm |
| 09:55.22 | Xinhuan | why not |
| 09:55.29 | Xinhuan | they could be just updating infrastructure |
| 09:55.32 | Fisker | they've had some long maintenance periods lately |
| 09:55.35 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 09:55.38 | Xinhuan | PTR servers is still changing every few days |
| 09:55.52 | Fisker | Also they haven't even completed IPv6 support |
| 09:55.56 | Fisker | unless that's intentional |
| 09:55.58 | karl_w_w | <Fisker> they've had some long maintenance periods lately <- when? |
| 09:56.08 | karl_w_w | last week maintenance ended an hour early nearly |
| 09:56.16 | karl_w_w | the week before was just resets iirc |
| 09:56.32 | Fisker | the last ice age ended an hour early too |
| 09:56.38 | Xinhuan | i dunno but i doubt the current tests on PTR is sufficient for the netcode changes |
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| 09:57.13 | karl_w_w | the net changes were implemented in 4.0.6 so they have an idea already |
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| 09:59.17 | Xinhuan | ipv6 isn't in 4.0.6 |
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| 10:44.11 | Adys | http://xkcd.com/875/ |
| 10:44.12 | Adys | ahahah |
| 10:44.58 | Fisker | lulzd |
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| 11:10.27 | zenzio | Adys: lol |
| 11:16.06 | Xyphoid | man, he told megan that time |
| 11:23.42 | Fisker | i once killed a guy |
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| 13:15.01 | dardack_ | so dropped JC, leveled tailoring got 3 mounts, releveled jc to 520, and was wondering, did i read somewhere that blizz was thinking about letting you remember patterns, not like keep 525 if you switch, (like you would still have to level 1-525 again) but "remember" any patterns you purchased? but my memory is terrible so i coulda dreamed it for all I know |
| 13:16.15 | Lopeppeppy | Well, that would keep the economy hopping with all of the re-leveling of professions, but sounds... dreamy to me. |
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| 13:36.06 | Ackis | rawr |
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| 13:37.02 | Lopeppeppy | Purr? |
| 13:39.26 | Ackis | woke up this morning, leaned over to give the fiancee a kiss... dog thought it was for him and gave me a big slurp |
| 13:39.27 | Wobin | mikma: This is why Deadpool is awesome http://i.imgur.com/iMcrZ.jpg |
| 13:39.29 | Ackis | lil bugger |
| 13:39.41 | Wobin | Did you give him some tongue? =P |
| 13:40.22 | Ackis | sno :P |
| 13:41.51 | Ackis | I'll give you some tongue Wobin! GET OVER HERE BOY |
| 13:41.52 | Fisker | Ackis |
| 13:42.24 | Wobin | Ackis: is it anything like http://images.stanzapub.com/readers/trifter/2008/01/30/107149_2.jpg ? |
| 13:43.01 | Ackis | no u? |
| 13:50.33 | Kraps | morning |
| 13:50.47 | Thunder_Child | is it? is it reall? |
| 13:50.49 | Thunder_Child | really* |
| 13:51.11 | mckenziemc | yes |
| 13:51.23 | zenzio | afternoon |
| 13:51.27 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: what do you think? |
| 13:51.36 | Thunder_Child | i try not to |
| 13:51.48 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Z4m4lnjxkY |
| 13:55.11 | mckenziemc | it's early morning blizzard time, and that's all that matters ;) |
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| 14:12.30 | Fisker | no mckenziemc |
| 14:12.39 | Lopeppeppy | is wearing her crankypants |
| 14:13.13 | Fisker | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
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| 14:15.11 | zenzio | "Why Doesn't Every Website Use HTTPS?" - "Iâm no HTML technician, however I would assume it requires significantly more processing power." |
| 14:15.22 | zenzio | why are you bringing up HTML in a HTTPS discussion? |
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| 14:16.14 | tlund | and wtf is a "HTML technician"? |
| 14:16.29 | Lopeppeppy | I didn't know that HTML was about processing power. |
| 14:16.41 | mikma | wobin: problem? :D |
| 14:16.51 | zenzio | tlund: yeah, that too |
| 14:18.42 | alestane | Also, my admittedly rudimentary understanding is that not everyone wants to go get a security certificate in order to run a website that doesn't handle sensitive information. |
| 14:22.28 | Lopeppeppy | Yes. It's often sufficient to have a secure folder on some sites, if needed. The whole darned thing doesn't need to be secured if it's a blog about critical reviews of children's books. |
| 14:22.49 | alestane | On a completely different note, most of the pages I've been working on have been randomly marked with tag attributes that say 'xmlns:xalan-nodeset="org.apache.xalan.xslt.extensions.Nodeset"'. |
| 14:23.02 | alestane | Is this something that's generally meaningful, does anyone know? |
| 14:23.07 | mikma | http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/youtube_vs_redtube.jpg |
| 14:24.11 | Kraps | AssCreeBro is out tomorrow! |
| 14:24.40 | Ackis | it's been out for a while Kraps |
| 14:24.48 | Kraps | on pc Ackis |
| 14:24.56 | Ackis | http://apps.facebook.com/projectlegacy/ <-- unlocks items in-game if you care |
| 14:25.04 | mckenziemc | UAssCreeBro? |
| 14:25.15 | Kraps | like what? |
| 14:25.34 | zenzio | mikma: why does the filename say "redtube" but the picture "youporn"? |
| 14:26.45 | Kraps | Ackis: |
| 14:27.35 | mckenziemc | Kraps: |
| 14:27.45 | Kraps | mckenziemc: |
| 14:27.52 | mckenziemc | food: |
| 14:29.34 | Lopeppeppy | HUNGRY! |
| 14:30.03 | mckenziemc | i agree |
| 14:30.24 | alestane | Yes, breakfast is running out annoyingly fast. |
| 14:31.36 | mikma | zenzio: is a trap |
| 14:34.12 | Ackis | http://bossblueprint.com/ is sexy |
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| 14:36.14 | Lopeppeppy | My Rosie cat has officially decided that being not-dead is preferable. I had to dye my hair to cover the white streaks she gave me! |
| 14:36.31 | alestane | I was going to ask how the furkins were doing. |
| 14:36.46 | alestane | She seems to be feeling better then? |
| 14:37.01 | Lopeppeppy | If we can get her to stop sitting on the edge of the litter box to pee, we'll be awesomely back to Normal Cat. |
| 14:37.13 | Lopeppeppy | I still have *no* idea what happened to her, at all. |
| 14:37.24 | alestane | Do you have any houseplants? |
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| 14:38.06 | Lopeppeppy | No. |
| 14:38.46 | Lopeppeppy | The garbages were all emptied before I left. No shampoos or anything else were tipped over... our best "guess" is that she took a bad jump and wrenched her back. Not enough to show on xrays, but enough to hurt her. |
| 14:39.19 | Kraps | Ackis: thats a pretty cool game |
| 14:39.45 | Ackis | it's a mafia wars clone, but /shrug it gives you stuff in game and gives you uplay points |
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| 14:41.15 | Fisker | i slapped you Lopeppeppy |
| 14:41.18 | Fisker | i watch you oof |
| 14:41.21 | Fisker | watched* |
| 14:43.14 | alestane | Yay, internet dying. |
| 14:46.14 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr, Fisker. |
| 14:46.20 | Lopeppeppy | I craves the interaction! |
| 14:46.32 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, is someone on your team doing like... limewire sharing or something? Jeebus. |
| 14:47.13 | Ackis | can you compare people on the armory any more? |
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| 14:48.26 | mckenziemc | 1) place two browser windows side by side |
| 14:48.27 | mckenziemc | 2) ??? |
| 14:48.27 | mckenziemc | 3) profit |
| 14:48.43 | Ackis | they used to have an actual comparison tool |
| 14:48.55 | mckenziemc | :p |
| 14:49.25 | Ackis | on a side note, I forgot another common password I use today... so far my work and wow password have been forgotten |
| 14:50.08 | mckenziemc | laRgetrout42 |
| 14:50.42 | mckenziemc | oh, and your authenticator code is 227392 |
| 14:50.51 | alestane | I'm frankly amazed that IRC hasn't dropped. |
| 14:51.05 | alestane | Our provider just frequently seems to struggle. |
| 14:51.15 | Ackis | thanks mckenziemc :P |
| 14:51.39 | Lopeppeppy | Dude, boston is not the middle of nowhere, it should have good interweb providers. |
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| 14:52.06 | alestane | Comcast business internet. |
| 14:52.56 | Lopeppeppy | Hmm. Con-cast. |
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| 15:04.07 | sylvanaar_work | man the javascript paradigm for not poluting the global namespace is horrible looking |
| 15:06.07 | sylvanaar_work | assuming self calling anonymous functions are indeed the paradigm |
| 15:07.47 | Kraps | The French government has fined Google â¬100,000 for collecting and storing data from unsecured WiFi networks with its StreetView mapping vehicles. |
| 15:08.06 | Ackis | hey Fisker I reported a thread on mmo-champ |
| 15:08.17 | sylvanaar_work | google - invading privacy? never... |
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| 15:13.15 | Ackis | hmm should i register ackis.xxx? |
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| 15:15.11 | mckenziemc | no, register Ackis.xx |
| 15:15.12 | Lopeppeppy | Yes, before someone else does. |
| 15:18.05 | Dagmar | You have that much money to burn? |
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| 15:18.45 | Dagmar | This is the last money-grab they're going to get for awhile. Expect that even a string of random letters that no one likes is going to go cost a few thousand to register in that TLD |
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| 15:20.48 | ckknight | Fisker: where you be? |
| 15:23.40 | Fisker | i be here ckknight |
| 15:23.43 | Corrodias | is an open wireless network supposed to be private...? |
| 15:24.01 | ckknight | Fisker: you ever had a girl want to sleep with you just because of your dick size? |
| 15:24.06 | Corrodias | isn't that like photographing things in plain view from the road? i guess not in France. |
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| 15:24.21 | Fisker | only Ackis ckknight |
| 15:24.23 | Corrodias | or maybe it is, in France, and that isn't allowed either. i sure don't know. |
| 15:24.45 | alestane | If you leave your house unlocked, Corrodias, that doesn't mean that it's not your property or that you can't tell people not to trespass. |
| 15:25.09 | ckknight | Fisker: unhelpful, he's male. |
| 15:25.21 | Kraps | "Announcing a new Graphic Novel for release in 2012! Follow the official Facebook Page for news, updates, and sneak peaks!" she is awesome |
| 15:25.58 | Corrodias | No, but i sort of imagined a wireless broadcast as being different. |
| 15:26.04 | Corrodias | i can understand that point of view. |
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| 15:26.50 | alestane | Now, failing to enforce a policy can make things harder for you if you then decide to start enforcing the policy. |
| 15:28.17 | Ackis | "A cell phone's transmitter does not produce ionizing radiation* and does not cause cancer." *Unless its a banana phone |
| 15:28.20 | Ackis | lulz |
| 15:28.32 | Kraps | http://xkcd.com/radiation/ |
| 15:28.37 | Corrodias | i giggled |
| 15:28.51 | alestane | But yes, the fact that someone has put up a network without securing it does not directly imply that they invite all and sundry to use it. |
| 15:28.56 | Dagmar | 'cuz bananas are a significant source of radiation |
| 15:29.01 | sylvanaar_work | neutron radiation from a phone! |
| 15:29.14 | sylvanaar_work | that'd be special |
| 15:29.20 | Ackis | Kraps: I was just gonna link :P |
| 15:29.28 | Kraps | :) |
| 15:30.22 | Fisker | that's what you think ckknight |
| 15:30.26 | Ackis | so we're at war with libya now? |
| 15:30.29 | bluspacecow | @Kraps "Announcing a new Graphic Novel for release in 2012" <--- which graphic novel do you speak of here Kraps ? |
| 15:30.38 | ckknight | Ackis: they had it coming |
| 15:30.57 | ckknight | Ackis: and it's our fault for electing a Democrat, everyone knows how big warmongers they are |
| 15:31.18 | Ackis | don't know enough about the conflict aside from the US coming out on the side of Gaddafi and that Gaddafi was killing protesters |
| 15:31.25 | Kraps | bluspacecow: http://www.facebook.com/?ref=logo#!/artsangel |
| 15:31.40 | Dagmar | The question in my mind is how does one compensate for the lack of exposure to radiation after switching from CRT to TFT panel |
| 15:32.17 | Grum | hold your balls in front of the microwave for 13m37s each day |
| 15:32.21 | Dagmar | I mean, if you're acclimatd to it, there might be side-effects from the sudden lowering of exposure |
| 15:33.42 | mikma | jnwhiteh: haha, i was the only one in cog's world so i slept the night over xD |
| 15:33.49 | jnwhiteh | heh |
| 15:34.22 | Dagmar | I also wonder if I went next door to the cafeteria and put a little sign up on the banana bucket saying 'Caution: Contains .1 mSv of radiation each" how long it'd be before some panicky twit called the authorities |
| 15:34.58 | Fisker | slaps jnwhiteh around a bit with a large trout |
| 15:35.02 | Fisker | hey jnwhiteh |
| 15:35.03 | Fisker | stares |
| 15:35.37 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: have you ever had a man want to sleep with you purely because of your penis size? |
| 15:37.35 | Kraps | why would Fisker show another man his penis? |
| 15:38.15 | Dagmar | For pity. |
| 15:40.12 | Fisker | no jnwhiteh |
| 15:40.28 | Fisker | unless you're offering |
| 15:40.54 | jnwhiteh | kk |
| 15:41.06 | Ackis | http://cheezfailbooking.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/funny-facebook-fails-fails-for-the-price-of.jpg <-- seems related to what jnwhiteh just said |
| 15:41.40 | jnwhiteh | truth |
| 15:41.50 | mikma | fisker: if jnwhiteh is offering, it's because he pities the fool (you) |
| 15:42.02 | Fisker | i wish |
| 15:42.09 | Kraps | send this to friends, redeem their souls http://mail.google.com/mail/help/switch.html |
| 15:42.36 | Ackis | you assuming switching is a good thing |
| 15:42.43 | Kraps | it is |
| 15:42.47 | Ackis | no, it's not |
| 15:42.53 | nevcairiel | jnwhiteh, Fisker: what launcher are you using on teh phone? I used helix before, but on froyo it just seems to be crashing alot |
| 15:43.03 | Fisker | launcherpro |
| 15:43.09 | Fisker | if my phone wasn't bricked |
| 15:43.09 | Kraps | you're wrong Ackis |
| 15:43.09 | Fisker | jerk |
| 15:43.25 | Ackis | google has to obey the US gov't... that's a problem |
| 15:43.41 | jnwhiteh | I use stock CM7 |
| 15:43.58 | Corrodias | i expect yahoo does as well |
| 15:44.05 | Fisker | hey jnwhiteh :( |
| 15:44.09 | Fisker | i wish i could use stock CM7 |
| 15:44.10 | Ackis | my ISP doesn't |
| 15:46.34 | jnwhiteh | Ackis: fair point |
| 15:50.50 | Adys | Ackis: google us has to obey the us govt |
| 15:51.19 | Adys | Ackis: sign up for a googlemail.com acct instead and you wont have to worry about the us govt anymore |
| 15:51.31 | mitch0 | google _is_ the US govt (or at least NSA/CIA/whatever :) |
| 15:51.50 | Adys | i knew someone stole a bunch of my tinfoil |
| 15:51.57 | Ackis | or I just don't use gmail for anything I consider private :) |
| 15:51.58 | Ackis | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD2LRROpph0 |
| 15:52.22 | Adys | and what do you use instead that grants you such humane security? |
| 15:52.26 | Adys | hotmail? |
| 15:52.30 | jnwhiteh | his ISP |
| 15:52.34 | jnwhiteh | which is Canadian |
| 15:52.39 | Ackis | exactly |
| 15:52.50 | Corrodias | Ackis: is that supposed to be R&B? |
| 15:52.55 | Adys | and you fall into the limits of canadian law... |
| 15:52.59 | jnwhiteh | 29 million hits |
| 15:53.04 | jnwhiteh | Adys: which is what he wants to fall under |
| 15:53.06 | jnwhiteh | not the US laws |
| 15:53.08 | Ackis | Corrodias: it's a cat getting killed |
| 15:53.11 | jnwhiteh | what he's saying is not unreasonable at all. |
| 15:53.16 | Adys | then why not just sign up for a canadian gmail account? |
| 15:53.17 | jnwhiteh | Ackis: almost 30 million hits. |
| 15:53.32 | Ackis | jnwhiteh: look at the likes/dislikes of the video |
| 15:53.33 | Lopeppeppy | Google's security isn't all it's cracked up to be, this year, either. Email provider is a matter of personal preference. |
| 15:53.44 | jnwhiteh | Adys: hahaha |
| 15:53.54 | Adys | what? Im confused |
| 15:54.06 | Corrodias | goes back to bed, refusing to face a world run by people who like autotune. |
| 15:54.08 | jnwhiteh | err |
| 15:54.10 | jnwhiteh | Ackis: hahaha |
| 15:54.12 | jnwhiteh | Adys: he could |
| 15:54.18 | Adys | ah |
| 15:54.28 | Ackis | Adys: we have privacy legislation here in Canada (and provincially), iirc google mail, even if signed up under google canada would have the servers in the US |
| 15:54.34 | jnwhiteh | but its not 100% clear if 'canadian' gmail is free of the long arm of the US law. |
| 15:54.56 | Adys | Ackis: mail is stored in more than one continent |
| 15:54.58 | Lopeppeppy | If the parent company is American... that's a squidgy zone there. |
| 15:55.14 | jnwhiteh | yep, that's Ackis's concern, and its legitimate, imo |
| 15:55.27 | Adys | jnwhiteh: as a rule of thumb, google obeys the law of the country of residence and access of their users |
| 15:55.35 | Adys | but its not always easy to determine |
| 15:55.43 | Ackis | Adys: they aren't going to say no to the US government |
| 15:55.48 | jnwhiteh | his ISP always follows the laws of his province =) |
| 15:55.51 | jnwhiteh | no guesswork at all |
| 15:56.06 | Adys | Ackis: much, much more likely to say no to the us govt than your isp :P |
| 15:56.13 | Adys | google canada that is |
| 15:56.25 | jnwhiteh | ? |
| 15:56.40 | Adys | you guys do realize google has offices in canada right |
| 15:56.48 | jnwhiteh | his canadian ISP *cannot* give stuff to the US government |
| 15:56.50 | Lopeppeppy | En-e-wai... |
| 15:56.52 | jnwhiteh | yes, I realise that |
| 15:56.56 | Lopeppeppy | How about those Mets! |
| 15:56.57 | jnwhiteh | you are completely missing the point |
| 15:56.59 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 15:57.13 | Ackis | if my ISP gives the US gov't stuff, I become very very rich and do not go to jail even if it was something super illegal |
| 15:57.14 | Adys | i understand the issue |
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| 15:57.34 | Ackis | Adys: google == grey, my ISP == black/white |
| 15:57.34 | Adys | but if it's about a canadian resident |
| 15:57.48 | Adys | the us gov will treat with google canada |
| 15:57.52 | Adys | not google us |
| 15:58.16 | Ackis | with the patriot act it's too much of a grey area |
| 15:58.17 | Adys | the actual server locations has nothing to do with it, my email is stored both in the us and eu |
| 15:58.21 | jnwhiteh | that's an interesting speculation =) |
| 15:59.01 | Ackis | and there's been no rulings that it's based on the country of location... even provincially it's a grey area |
| 15:59.03 | Ackis | no one knows |
| 15:59.06 | Dagmar | It's a foolish assumptin. |
| 15:59.10 | Dagmar | er assumption. |
| 15:59.14 | Ackis | I think there would be valid arguments on both sides |
| 15:59.21 | jnwhiteh | why test something that doesn't have existing case law? |
| 15:59.34 | jnwhiteh | when the alternative is a known system? |
| 15:59.35 | Adys | meanwhile on the other monitor: " |
| 15:59.35 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:59.35 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:59.35 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:59.52 | Dagmar | If a gov't wants your email, and it's on the servers or some company doing stuff online, they're going to turn your data right over to that gov't the first time someone important-looking asks about it |
| 16:00.18 | Lopeppeppy | Cooperation is considered polite, yup. |
| 16:00.27 | Adys | Dagmar: that's why i said that ackis' isp is less secure |
| 16:00.36 | jnwhiteh | *sigh* |
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| 16:00.41 | Ackis | lol jnwhiteh |
| 16:00.42 | alestane | Preferably substantiated cooperation, but often. |
| 16:00.43 | Adys | google canada is a LOT less likely to hand data over like this |
| 16:00.51 | Jamash | if you want security, use encryption, run your own email server, etc |
| 16:00.54 | jnwhiteh | but his ISP is 100% held to canadian law. |
| 16:00.56 | Lopeppeppy | huggles jnwhiteh over in their corner of the world |
| 16:01.02 | jnwhiteh | google canada is debatable. |
| 16:01.06 | jnwhiteh | why take the risk? |
| 16:01.10 | Adys | Jamash: how about reading the entire thing? |
| 16:01.16 | jnwhiteh | it is illegal for his ISP to turn over the data |
| 16:01.19 | Adys | its got nothing to do with data transfer/storage |
| 16:01.21 | Jamash | Adys: what entire thing? |
| 16:01.42 | Ackis | In Canada we have stringent privacy laws which dictate what type of information is allowed to be shared, which isn't, which can be turned over to law enforcement, which can't, etc |
| 16:01.44 | Jamash | Adys: I just logged in |
| 16:02.24 | Ackis | and we don't have the patriot act |
| 16:02.44 | Adys | google canada is a canadian company |
| 16:02.49 | Adys | just like google france is a french company |
| 16:02.53 | jnwhiteh | Adys: can you state with 100% certainty that Google Canada, which may or may not have offices in various provinces, will be held to the laws present in Ackis's province? |
| 16:03.02 | jnwhiteh | Has there been any case law to show this to be the case? |
| 16:03.13 | Adys | this is about province laws? |
| 16:03.16 | Adys | im talking country-wide |
| 16:03.21 | jnwhiteh | It *is* a grey area, whether you want to believe that or not |
| 16:03.32 | jnwhiteh | provincial laws have been brought up multiple times |
| 16:03.34 | jnwhiteh | so yes, its relevant |
| 16:03.54 | jnwhiteh | so Ackis has the choice of a popular, yet untested grey area or one that he knows where he stands legally. |
| 16:03.55 | Adys | i cant say anything about province laws, id say they'd obey the province the company is set up in |
| 16:04.01 | jnwhiteh | Adys: Ackis did. |
| 16:04.03 | Fisker | hey jnwhiteh |
| 16:04.03 | jnwhiteh | three times now. |
| 16:04.24 | jnwhiteh | I may have to recount |
| 16:04.26 | jnwhiteh | but still =) |
| 16:04.48 | Adys | im just arguing the point on US laws |
| 16:05.04 | jnwhiteh | the whole point is US laws are absolutely not relevant to his ISP |
| 16:05.08 | jnwhiteh | they *might* be to 'Google' |
| 16:05.14 | Jamash | wtf are you guys talking about |
| 16:05.23 | Adys | to google us, not google canada :P |
| 16:05.28 | jnwhiteh | Adys: prove that |
| 16:05.30 | jnwhiteh | where's the case law? |
| 16:05.33 | Adys | or possibly to google canada about an US resident |
| 16:05.37 | jnwhiteh | have you read the ToS for google.ca? |
| 16:05.40 | jnwhiteh | etc. |
| 16:05.49 | jnwhiteh | the point is there is no ambiguity with his ISP |
| 16:05.54 | jnwhiteh | I don't see why that's so difficult to understand |
| 16:06.02 | Adys | im not arguing that |
| 16:06.17 | jnwhiteh | then what are you arguing? |
| 16:06.44 | Adys | that us laws would have effect over a canadian resident handled by google ca |
| 16:06.57 | jnwhiteh | ... |
| 16:07.03 | jnwhiteh | is there a typo in that sentence or do you mean what it says |
| 16:07.29 | jnwhiteh | or perhaps there's an implicit negation that I'm missing. |
| 16:07.41 | Adys | latter |
| 16:07.55 | Adys | us laws couldnt *possibly* affect a canadian resident handled by google canada |
| 16:07.59 | jnwhiteh | okay, you've made your argument. Is there *any* case law at all? |
| 16:08.31 | Adys | my pizza is a lot more appealing than spending the rest of the evening researching that deeply :P |
| 16:08.39 | jnwhiteh | Are you 100% certain that the U.S. versioned terms of services don't apply? |
| 16:08.43 | jnwhiteh | so the answer is no |
| 16:08.43 | Ackis | gives Adys a pizza surprised |
| 16:08.44 | jnwhiteh | and that's fine |
| 16:08.49 | jnwhiteh | and *that* is precisely the point |
| 16:08.51 | jnwhiteh | no one knows |
| 16:08.57 | Adys | of course im not 100% certain, im saying it's a ridiculous theory |
| 16:08.57 | jnwhiteh | so Ackis takes what he does know, and uses that |
| 16:09.20 | jnwhiteh | you clearly haven't dealt with the american government very much |
| 16:09.40 | Adys | how's google canada more under the US belt than google france? |
| 16:09.40 | jnwhiteh | to consider something like that a 'ridiculous theory' |
| 16:09.59 | Adys | or google anycountry for that matter |
| 16:10.08 | Ackis | data is probably stored on servers in the US to start with |
| 16:10.23 | jnwhiteh | which means it can be seized. |
| 16:10.26 | Adys | as i mentioned earlier, data is stored between continents |
| 16:10.27 | jnwhiteh | for one |
| 16:10.35 | Adys | no, and there have been precedents on that |
| 16:10.51 | Adys | eg the chinese govt trying to seize US data and what not |
| 16:11.03 | Lopeppeppy | a floating data haven like in cryptonomicon!!! |
| 16:12.11 | jnwhiteh | also, there is no googlemail.go.uk. There's a googlemail.com and there is no indication whatsoever whether I am creating an account with 'Google UK' or 'Google US'. |
| 16:12.40 | Adys | by default, your ip is used to determine your country of residence |
| 16:12.43 | Adys | but you can change that |
| 16:12.46 | jnwhiteh | certainly |
| 16:12.48 | jnwhiteh | and I'm in the UK |
| 16:13.02 | jnwhiteh | but there's still no notice of who I am creating an account with |
| 16:13.08 | Adys | and theres no googlemail.co.uk because googlemail.com is an UK domain already |
| 16:13.24 | jnwhiteh | and as a matter of fact, the 'Privacy Matters' contact information is for the US |
| 16:13.33 | jnwhiteh | Google adheres to the US Safe Harbor Privacy Principles of Notice, Choice, Onward Transfer, Security, Data Integrity, Access and Enforcement, and is registered with the U.S. Department of Commerceâs Safe Harbor Program. |
| 16:13.41 | jnwhiteh | shall I continue? |
| 16:14.11 | jnwhiteh | 1.1Your use of Googleâs products, software, services and web sites (referred to collectively as the âServicesâ in this document and excluding any services provided to you by Google under a separate written agreement) is subject to the terms of a legal agreement between you and Google. âGoogleâ means Google Inc., whose principal place of business is at 1600 Amphitheatre Parkway, Mountain View, CA 94043, |
| 16:14.11 | jnwhiteh | United States. This document explains how the agreement is made up, and sets out some of the terms of that agreement. |
| 16:14.20 | Jamash | stop spamming |
| 16:14.21 | jnwhiteh | and with that, I need to go do some real work |
| 16:14.25 | Jamash | good |
| 16:14.29 | jnwhiteh | Jamash: fuck off. |
| 16:14.30 | alestane | Lopeppeppy, I ought to read that one of these days. |
| 16:14.30 | Adys | you're looking at the US TOS |
| 16:14.35 | jnwhiteh | Adys: wrong. |
| 16:14.43 | jnwhiteh | I am in the UK, I got here from googlemail.com |
| 16:14.44 | mikma | jnwhiteh said a bad work |
| 16:15.09 | Jamash | my internet rights have been violated |
| 16:15.18 | Jamash | I'm going to sue jnwhiteh in internet court |
| 16:15.19 | jnwhiteh | here, same exact text: http://www.google.co.uk/accounts/TOS?hl=en |
| 16:15.33 | jnwhiteh | although I didn't type anything in to get to the first one, just followed the links from googlemail.com |
| 16:15.38 | Adys | from the french tos |
| 16:15.39 | Adys | Nous nous engageons à coopérer avec les autorités compétentes, y compris les autorités locales chargées de la protection des données, pour résoudre tout litige concernant le transfert de données personnelles nâayant pas pu être réglé au préalable entre Google et le particulier. |
| 16:15.48 | Adys | translation: we obey to local authorities |
| 16:15.58 | Jamash | you two should really take this to /msg |
| 16:16.09 | Adys | you one should really take this to /ignore |
| 16:16.13 | jnwhiteh | its not a private conversation |
| 16:16.23 | jnwhiteh | let's look at the relevant document, the google.ca version: http://www.google.ca/accounts/TOS?hl=en |
| 16:16.24 | Jamash | you're flooding the channel |
| 16:17.02 | Adys | hold on, i just got to the catalan tos. |
| 16:18.02 | Adys | We will cooperate with the appropriate regulatory authorities, including local data protection authorities, to resolve any complaints regarding the transfer of personal data that cannot be resolved between Google and an individual. |
| 16:18.46 | mikma | jamash: funny things you consider flooding |
| 16:19.06 | Adys | worth noting: google uses the same privacy rules for most of their products and countries, making modifications where relevant |
| 16:20.02 | jnwhiteh | Adys: so they will cooperate and work with them when there is a complaint, yet the terms are clearly between you and Google Inc. in the U.S. regardless. In fact, the bottom of the ToS makes it clear that "The terms and your relationship with Google" are governed by the laws of California, and Santa Clara county. |
| 16:20.28 | jnwhiteh | I think that that makes what you termed a 'ridiculous theory' instead 'reasonable precaution' |
| 16:20.42 | jnwhiteh | but I <3 you any way |
| 16:20.50 | Adys | one doesn't necessarily mean the other is untrue imo :P |
| 16:21.12 | jnwhiteh | of course, its just more complicated than you initially presented, that much is *clear* |
| 16:21.17 | jnwhiteh | I need to go get a hair cut and check my mail =) |
| 16:21.18 | jnwhiteh | bbiab |
| 16:21.25 | Adys | i need to finish my pizza |
| 16:21.31 | Adys | lets find some other way to piss jamash off tonight |
| 16:21.38 | mikma | i need to shave my balls |
| 16:22.24 | zenzelezz | +off |
| 16:22.45 | Ackis | I need to pee |
| 16:23.03 | jnwhiteh | you could pee on mikma |
| 16:27.39 | Ackis | I feel better |
| 16:27.49 | Jamash | I feel fantastic |
| 16:28.01 | Ackis | are you made of plastic? |
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| 16:29.41 | Jamash | no, but I've never felt as good as how I do right now, except for maybe when I think of how I felt that day when I felt the way that I do right now |
| 16:29.56 | mikma | jnwhiteh: yey, golden shower. reminds me of our sauna-time |
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| 16:34.17 | Wraithlord98 | anyone around that knows a lot about gatherer mod for wow? |
| 16:34.52 | Dagmar | What it really amounts to is that every time a company has been asked to give up data on a user by a gov't, they have quietly capitulated without saying a word to anyone. |
| 16:35.04 | Jamash | *almost every time |
| 16:35.15 | Dagmar | The exceptions are so few as to not matter |
| 16:35.25 | Dagmar | Might as well count on winning the pick 4 |
| 16:35.44 | Lopeppeppy | Wraithlord98, just ask your question, if anyone can answer, they will. |
| 16:35.50 | Dagmar | The solution is crypto, crypto, and a side-order of more crypto |
| 16:36.41 | Dagmar | They've been pretty handy of late in the US with the cute little letters that allow them to postpone indefinitely when an ISP informs a user that they just handed their mail spool over to the gov't |
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| 16:46.51 | alestane | has a boredom. |
| 16:47.47 | bluspacecow | *giefs a minecraft to alestane* |
| 16:48.40 | alestane | ...I don't think I can get away with that at work. |
| 16:48.58 | alestane | It's a training room, not even cubes, just all sitting at rows of tables. |
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| 16:55.02 | Lopeppeppy | gives alestane a piece of paper and a pencil to play hangman. |
| 16:55.26 | Jamash | gives alestane a nethack |
| 16:56.41 | Cairenn|afk | http://www.fukung.net/images/39859/2fcb1942d7e802dfcb50f2cea7da7a0a.jpg |
| 16:56.53 | Cairenn|afk | http://www.neatorama.com/2011/03/20/the-yakuza-is-quietly-helping-earthquake-victims-in-japan/ |
| 16:58.21 | Lopeppeppy | Well, they don't call it *organized* crime for nothin'. Good for them! |
| 16:59.08 | Cairenn|afk | honestly, it doesn't actually surprise me in the slightest |
| 16:59.48 | alestane | Lunchtime, i think. |
| 17:00.14 | Ackis | The Japanese are impressing me with their disaster handling |
| 17:00.22 | Ackis | no looting, organized crime helping, etc |
| 17:00.26 | Ackis | just amazing |
| 17:00.30 | Cairenn|afk | nod |
| 17:00.50 | Cairenn|afk | they are, indeed, a extremely civilised society |
| 17:01.06 | Ackis | I wouldn't go that far :P *mutters about sushi* |
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| 17:02.05 | Cairenn|afk | poofs again for a while |
| 17:02.35 | bluspacecow | afaik sushi didn't originate in japan |
| 17:02.40 | Lopeppeppy | I was also somewhat impressed about how little looting there was of the museums in Egypt. Although there was some, it was far worse than I had been afraid of, considering what has happened to other cultural/religious works in wartime. |
| 17:03.16 | Ackis | I had read that people formed human barriers to prevent some treasures from being looted Lopeppeppy |
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| 17:03.39 | bluspacecow | *forms human barrier around lopeppeppy* |
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| 17:05.52 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr, bluspacecow, but I sort of thought I'd be the barrier around you... er... nevermind. *grin* |
| 17:06.03 | Lopeppeppy | That's awesome, Ackis. Some things can't be replaced. |
| 17:06.42 | olafski | they can be sold though |
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| 17:07.33 | Lopeppeppy | Very true, and often are. |
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| 17:07.41 | Lopeppeppy | I sold my sister once. |
| 17:08.36 | bluspacecow | kk i's go homes nows |
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| 17:09.04 | Lopeppeppy | He lefted just as the conversation got interestinged! :P |
| 17:11.09 | kd3|phone | Mm. Bored at work. |
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| 17:14.18 | Jamash | Learn Sanskrit |
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| 17:14.38 | Jamash | bitches love Sanskrit |
| 17:15.10 | Lopeppeppy | Flirt with Peppy. I'm desperately hating the college catalog today! |
| 17:16.39 | kd3|phone | College catalog? Registration time? |
| 17:17.01 | Jamash | registers for Peppy studies |
| 17:17.10 | Lopeppeppy | Updating time. I am the editor and keeper of the "give me your information or your section in the printed catalog will be blank, bitches." |
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| 17:17.37 | Jamash | registers for " " studies |
| 17:17.46 | kd3|phone | Ooh. Ow |
| 17:19.07 | Lopeppeppy | So very ow. :) You'd think they'd like, desire to give me updated information post-haste. Nuh-uh. Herding cats, begging daily, threatening them with the dean's countersignature... unfun spring project. |
| 17:20.23 | Jamash | get some student volunteers to haze the profs who haven't complied yet |
| 17:20.56 | Lopeppeppy | If the DEAN can't convince them, nobody can, and they can take an F! |
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| 17:23.33 | kd3|phone | Sounds about par for the course. Worked for the school one semester. Utter pita |
| 17:24.23 | Lopeppeppy | Yup. *laugh* |
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| 17:27.58 | alestane | braids Peppy's hair. |
| 17:28.05 | Kraps | i got over 6k xp in 1 homefront match, sweet |
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| 17:34.17 | alestane | Rum, Peppy? |
| 17:35.04 | Kraps | Ackis: what the best way to make money in asscreed legacy? |
| 17:35.20 | Ackis | properties |
| 17:35.41 | Kraps | think i need level 10 for that |
| 17:36.11 | Lopeppeppy | Not at work, dear. But I do have a nice blueberry lemonade at home. |
| 17:36.27 | Ackis | Kraps: I don't think I can send you money either |
| 17:37.51 | karl_w_w | what character set does wow use? |
| 17:37.55 | karl_w_w | for chat and the like |
| 17:37.57 | alestane | Sounds tasty, dear. |
| 17:38.08 | alestane | It's UTF-8 AFAIK, karl_w_w. |
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| 17:39.28 | alestane | So, no rum. Sounds like helping you clean out the supply closet is indeed the best distraction available! |
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| 17:47.59 | Lopeppeppy | Murdering sheeple is good food. |
| 17:49.06 | Lopeppeppy | 3 frakkin' inches of snow today. What IS t his crap!!! |
| 17:49.12 | alestane | Heppy spring! |
| 17:49.17 | alestane | Happy, even. |
| 17:49.27 | Ackis | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBLizhD_0R4 |
| 17:49.58 | alestane | It's coming, though. You can hear the hoofbeats on the horizon. |
| 17:50.28 | Lopeppeppy | No, that's just the horsemen of the apocolypse |
| 17:51.55 | alestane | Fine, run over my optimism. |
| 17:52.40 | Lopeppeppy | My karma, your dogma! vroom vroom |
| 17:54.16 | alestane | I remember the first time I heard that joke. Guy at the Finger Lakes Grass Roots Festival of Music & Dance. |
| 17:54.52 | alestane | He was talking about where the proceeds were going, and said "Os if you snuck over the fence to hear all the this stuff...well, I hope my dogma runs over your karma." |
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| 18:03.18 | Ackis | hey Fisker if you aren't shafting dirty, you really aren't shafting |
| 18:04.15 | alestane | http://www.paulandstorm.com/archives/grandmas-christmas-dinner/ |
| 18:14.14 | Kraps | ABSTERGO SYSTEM REBOOT 17 hours :/ |
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| 18:18.24 | Fisker | http://groups.google.com/group/linux.kernel/browse_thread/thread/af0c2bbb17a228e6?pli=1 |
| 18:21.59 | mikma | fisk that shit |
| 18:22.18 | Fisker | i will fisk you up |
| 18:23.39 | Ackis | this is pretty amazing: http://www.itworld.com/security/140829/radioweb-geek-offers-inside-view-attacks-libya "@USAfricaCommand be advised, one of your WEASEL's F-16CJ from 23th FS Spangdahlem Germany has his transponder Mode-S on! NOT secure!" |
| 18:23.55 | Ackis | guy is listening/tracking US fighter planes as they bomb Libya and he tweeted them about it lol |
| 18:25.18 | Fisker | don't you just hate terorrists Ackis ? |
| 18:27.19 | Fisker | silence means acceptance |
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| 18:28.44 | Fisker | isn't that right Alram ? |
| 18:28.49 | Fisker | Ackis supports terrorists |
| 18:29.06 | Alram | why does Ackis support terrorists Fisker |
| 18:29.16 | Ackis | :P |
| 18:29.27 | Fisker | whistleblowing = terrorism Alram |
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| 18:29.33 | Alram | oh ok |
| 18:29.42 | Fisker | (Unless if you're of a foreign nation, then it's OK, obviously) |
| 18:30.30 | Alram | so you are saying he IS a terrorist |
| 18:30.53 | Ackis | I am |
| 18:30.54 | Ackis | rawr |
| 18:30.59 | Ackis | terrors Fisker |
| 18:31.00 | Alram | oh ok |
| 18:32.12 | Kraps | olivia dunham is william bell |
| 18:32.24 | Alram | yes she does a great nimoy |
| 18:32.36 | Alram | i cant wait till he comes back himself so we notice how shitty she is at it |
| 18:32.40 | Fisker | it may be great |
| 18:32.45 | Fisker | but it's fucking creepy |
| 18:32.52 | Alram | y |
| 18:33.09 | Fisker | he stopped as i understood it |
| 18:33.11 | Kraps | Alram: hes dead... |
| 18:33.19 | Alram | not really Kraps |
| 18:33.25 | Alram | because he already did some filming again |
| 18:33.28 | Alram | lolol |
| 18:33.35 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:36.38 | Alram | or well, according to sources |
| 18:36.48 | Alram | leonard nimoy himself just said william is coming back to fringe |
| 18:36.52 | Alram | but that already happened |
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| 18:52.22 | Jamash | yay magicka fixes |
| 18:52.38 | Fisker | old |
| 18:52.47 | Jamash | Fisker: your face is old |
| 18:52.55 | Fisker | yes |
| 18:57.37 | karl_w_w | you know what I find strange? I've never in my life seen an ad in an elevator |
| 18:57.51 | karl_w_w | but it seems like such an obvious place to put advertising |
| 18:58.17 | Jamash | google elevertising |
| 18:58.29 | alestane | I'm pretty sure that I HAVE seen them, but not nearly as often as one would expect given the eyeball throughput. |
| 18:59.00 | Jamash | google will automatically place ads in your elevator based on what floors are selected |
| 18:59.01 | alestane | Although really, given the typical habits of elevator riders, you'd have to put them on the doors, which poses its own set of problems. |
| 18:59.26 | alestane | And since that's really the only place people look, there would probably be more backlash. |
| 18:59.36 | Jamash | using an LCD panel placed above the door just above the floor indicator |
| 18:59.50 | karl_w_w | well you could past them directly onto the door :P |
| 18:59.59 | Jamash | probably a safety issue there |
| 19:00.00 | Arrowmaster | you see them a lot in vegas i think |
| 19:00.01 | karl_w_w | wouldnt add any depth |
| 19:00.11 | karl_w_w | paste* |
| 19:00.21 | Arrowmaster | its been a while since ive been there but i seem to remember poster type ads on the walls of some elevators |
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| 19:02.02 | Jamash | hotels sometimes have a list of amenities like restaurants, which isn't exactly advertising |
| 19:02.37 | Fisker | there's constantly ads in our elevators |
| 19:02.48 | Fisker | almost exclusively ads for the metric systems and our language |
| 19:02.59 | Arrowmaster | i wouldnt exactly call what i saw 'a list', sure it was stuff for places in the same building but it was advertising |
| 19:03.03 | karl_w_w | you should pay attention to them |
| 19:03.03 | Jamash | Fisker: I didn't know you lived in Quebec |
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| 19:03.15 | Fisker | i don't Jamash |
| 19:03.15 | karl_w_w | the metric system is godly |
| 19:03.20 | Lunessa | station |
| 19:03.26 | Fisker | slaps Lunessa around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:04.07 | alestane | Lunessa, someone has now perptrated officially the STUPIDEST way to create whitespace that I've seen yet. |
| 19:04.15 | Lunessa | ... |
| 19:04.17 | alestane | <h1>ХимикаÑÑ KODAK Ð´Ð»Ñ Ð¿ÑоÑеÑÑа AN-6<br /><font color="#ffffff">.</font></h1> |
| 19:04.32 | Lunessa | ... are you fucking kidding me. |
| 19:04.39 | alestane | That's right. |
| 19:04.49 | alestane | They created a blank line with a WHITE PERIOD. |
| 19:04.56 | Lopeppeppy | Someone shot the food. |
| 19:05.10 | karl_w_w | trolling in html |
| 19:05.12 | Lopeppeppy | Sure hope they never change the BACKGROUND COLOR of their site, huh? |
| 19:05.14 | karl_w_w | impressivee |
| 19:05.30 | alestane | Oh, it's gone. |
| 19:05.53 | alestane | I didn't allow it to survive the migration, at least on that page. I'm hoping it didn't cross-polinate to other parts of the site first. |
| 19:06.33 | Ackis | jnwhiteh: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1874250361#17 |
| 19:06.46 | alestane | Of course, that's probably a vain hope, but given the TOTAL and UTTER LACK OF CONSISTENCY in anythign done on this site, I dare to hope that that one was an isolated case. |
| 19:07.01 | jnwhiteh | Ackis: freaking learn the addon's name |
| 19:07.02 | jnwhiteh | lol |
| 19:07.29 | Ackis | :D |
| 19:07.59 | Fisker | hey jnwhiteh |
| 19:10.15 | karl_w_w | omg i got really pissed off earlier |
| 19:10.32 | karl_w_w | when somebody on vent said "anybody know why click might stop working?" |
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| 19:10.53 | karl_w_w | took me a short while to work out he meant clique |
| 19:11.03 | alestane | That's the usual pronunciation. |
| 19:11.23 | alestane | At least when the word is used in English. |
| 19:11.35 | karl_w_w | maybe in crazy america-land where you pronounce herb without a H |
| 19:11.41 | alestane | Some people prefer to say it "kleek." |
| 19:12.00 | jnwhiteh | 'clique' is pronounced 'click' |
| 19:12.04 | jnwhiteh | I wrote it, so I can say this =) |
| 19:12.13 | karl_w_w | you didnt invent the word :P |
| 19:12.17 | Fisker | no you can't jnwhiteh |
| 19:12.23 | Fisker | you're not the boss of language |
| 19:12.31 | Fisker | rages |
| 19:12.45 | alestane | When one talks about "The most popular clique in the school," or something similar, one customarily pronounces it as "click." |
| 19:12.53 | karl_w_w | pats Fisker |
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| 19:13.20 | karl_w_w | ~wiki clique |
| 19:13.22 | karl_w_w | i win |
| 19:14.43 | Jamash | https://secure.wikimedia.org/wiktionary/en/wiki/File:en-us-clique.ogg |
| 19:16.00 | Jamash | alestane: I don't know who "one" is, but he or she is wrong |
| 19:16.02 | TC-Laptop | ~moo |
| 19:16.02 | purl | ACTION mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass |
| 19:16.04 | karl_w_w | maybe in crazy america-land where you pronounce herb without a H |
| 19:16.18 | Ackis | hey Fisker http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD2LRROpph0 |
| 19:17.06 | alestane | Jamash, when I listen to that file, I hear "click" too, maybe with a little bit of an accent. |
| 19:17.11 | Jamash | kleeeeeeeek |
| 19:17.19 | Jamash | not "klik" |
| 19:17.49 | alestane | Sorry, never heard anyone I'd consider literate pronounce it "kleek". |
| 19:17.54 | karl_w_w | i hear click-k-k |
| 19:17.55 | Jamash | I wouldn't say I kleeeek on a buttooooon like some frenchy person |
| 19:18.32 | Jamash | nor would I say I belong to a klik like some alestaney person |
| 19:18.34 | karl_w_w | it's spelt clique, it should be pronounce clique :P |
| 19:18.51 | alestane | Now, it's a French word originally, and since I don't see an accent grave on the i, they may well say it with a narrow vowel. |
| 19:19.09 | alestane | Kli-kwuh, karl_w_w? |
| 19:19.10 | Jamash | karl_w_w: it's cute you think english spelling is connected to english pronunciation |
| 19:19.24 | karl_w_w | lol |
| 19:19.31 | karl_w_w | it's cute you think it isn't |
| 19:19.52 | karl_w_w | but given it's not an english word, I don't see how that comment is relevant |
| 19:20.10 | alestane | It's in the English dictionaries, it's an English word now. |
| 19:20.35 | alestane | Which also means that the pronunciation and meanign may be divorced from the French when used in an English sentence. |
| 19:21.38 | karl_w_w | american english* |
| 19:21.43 | Jamash | from a document on morphological analysis "...the English language specification took 123 rules, 17 rule sets and 2,589 exception table words." |
| 19:22.46 | Jamash | wait, that's not related to pronunciation, IGNORE ME! |
| 19:23.14 | Fisker | slaps Ackis around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:23.29 | Fisker | why no darkspore Ackis ? |
| 19:23.40 | alestane | http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/clique gives both. |
| 19:23.41 | karl_w_w | Fisker don't you get bored of mirc-slap? |
| 19:25.42 | Jamash | kleek comes first, therefore you remain wrong |
| 19:26.27 | alestane | Perhaps in the minority. |
| 19:28.01 | Jamash | alestane: what geographical region are you from? |
| 19:28.17 | Ackis | Fisker: it's out? |
| 19:28.23 | alestane | Northeastern U.S. NY-NE. |
| 19:28.45 | Jamash | ah, probably an east coast west coast thing then, I'm from california |
| 19:29.23 | Jamash | remember, east coast is the least coast, west coast is the best coast |
| 19:32.29 | Fisker | no Ackis |
| 19:32.34 | Fisker | but i want to play the beta |
| 19:32.44 | Fisker | slaps karl_w_w around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:33.11 | Jamash | corrupts Fisker's E-DNA |
| 19:33.42 | TC-Laptop | Fisker: why? it's so fail |
| 19:34.17 | Lunessa | Clique should be pronounced "Klick" though "Kl-ee-k" is also acceptable. http://www.thefreedictionary.com/clique |
| 19:34.32 | Lunessa | So yeah. |
| 19:35.14 | Lopeppeppy | Clique should be pronounced "jnwhiteh is awesome, stop being grammerz geekz" |
| 19:35.18 | Lopeppeppy | blows kisses |
| 19:35.31 | Fisker | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:35.49 | alestane | And now our internet still appears to be okay, but our server is collapsing. |
| 19:36.03 | Fisker | alestane |
| 19:36.27 | Fisker | http://inception.davepedu.com/ <-have your server alerts do this when your server is collapsing |
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| 19:39.50 | Fisker | do it alestane |
| 19:40.00 | alestane | What, the big red button? |
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| 19:43.09 | Pneumatus | Fisker: when this happens: ?17:02:08 up 1:14, 1 user, load average: 117.75, 49.05, 19.06 |
| 19:43.37 | Fisker | alestane |
| 19:43.39 | Fisker | mostly the sound |
| 19:46.53 | alestane | That THX sort of thing? |
| 19:47.10 | Dayle | can anyone tell me what's wrong with this code: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/147952 ? |
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| 19:48.47 | Pneumatus | shouldnt you be comparing the 2nd bit.band against 0? |
| 19:49.01 | Pneumatus | at a cursory glance |
| 19:50.28 | alestane | Most likely. |
| 19:50.50 | alestane | 0 is true in Lua, so if you do a bitand and test the result directly, it should always be true. |
| 19:51.27 | Dayle | i didn't write the code myself and don't understand the bit parts |
| 19:51.43 | Mikk | some C programmer wrote it |
| 19:51.45 | Mikk | assuming 0 is false |
| 19:51.53 | Mikk | been there done that, not doing it again |
| 19:52.58 | alestane | Oh, that code doesn't actually assume 0 is false. |
| 19:53.14 | alestane | "mark = bit.band(flags, mask) == mask " |
| 19:53.19 | Pneumatus | line 7 melts your brain anyway |
| 19:54.23 | alestane | Given the way Lua does most things with floats, I would be suspicious of strict equality. |
| 19:54.52 | Dayle | how should line 7 look to get it to work? |
| 19:55.13 | alestane | "mark = bit.band(flags, mask) ~= 0" is probably more robust. |
| 19:56.26 | Pneumatus | or lines 7, 8 and 11 could be replaced by "if bit.band(flags, mask) ~= 0 then return i end |
| 19:56.29 | Dayle | it still returns nil on marked mobs |
| 19:57.47 | Pneumatus | does that line 6 modification of mask even need to happen |
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| 19:58.15 | alestane | Are there also globals for COMBATLOG_OBJECT_RAIDTARGET2, etc.? |
| 19:58.21 | Pneumatus | try mask = _G["COMBATLOG_OBJECT_RAIDTARGET"..i] |
| 20:00.16 | kd3|phone | Well, that ended my boredom... called 911 because someone was bleeding on the sidewalk |
| 20:00.45 | Pneumatus | there are globals for 1-8, i'd have thought pulling the globals would be cheaper than calculating anyway |
| 20:00.45 | Dayle | "mask = _G["COMBATLOG_OBJECT_RAIDTARGET"..i]" still returns nil |
| 20:01.54 | kd3|phone | First thought was 'hit by a car' which is what I told dispatch, she just tripped on the curb. |
| 20:02.49 | mckenziemc1 | O.o |
| 20:03.50 | alestane | Also, that function doesn't actually need to be a method. |
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| 20:08.42 | Ackis | what's a method in lua terms alestane? |
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| 20:09.13 | Derabo | hello |
| 20:09.42 | alestane | It's defined as "function ezInterrupt:GetRaidIconIndex(flags)". |
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| 20:09.52 | alestane | It never refers to self, though. |
| 20:10.02 | alestane | Heyo, MoonWitch. |
| 20:10.20 | MoonWitch | hey alestane |
| 20:10.36 | alestane | So the only reason to define it using : syntax is because the user just expects to call everything using that syntax. |
| 20:11.29 | alestane | You must have found work or something, MoonWitch, you vanished on us. |
| 20:11.32 | Derabo | is there a way to track how far the player moves around? like tracking his movementspeed or something? |
| 20:13.42 | mckenziemc1 | poll coordinates? |
| 20:13.52 | nevcairiel | you can constantly keep polling coordinates |
| 20:14.03 | Dagmar | Maths. Fun for the part of the family that has no friends. |
| 20:14.08 | Derabo | whats the command for that? cant find it |
| 20:14.24 | MoonWitch | alestane : Indeed |
| 20:14.39 | alestane | Somethign cool? |
| 20:15.05 | MoonWitch | alestane: junior (yes, effing junior again damnit) support officer (whatever they wanna call it) for an insurance company |
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| 20:15.34 | MoonWitch | it just happens to be the case that theyÅe in the middle of transitioning between 2 IT systems, yes - shit will hit the fan hard |
| 20:15.54 | alestane | Ah so now you're "living in interesting times." |
| 20:16.28 | Derabo | getting coordinates doesnt work in an instance, does it? |
| 20:16.32 | MoonWitch | definately |
| 20:16.44 | alestane | That's about what I'm doing to some extent, a major corporation contracted a CMS company to move their existing globalized website into that CMS. |
| 20:17.05 | alestane | The vendor outsourced the migration grunt work and smeared it all over the server. |
| 20:17.20 | alestane | So they've had to contract like 20 of us to clean it up and make it work again. |
| 20:18.37 | alestane | Plus on top of that, the original site was horribly authored and managed to begin with. |
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| 20:19.20 | MoonWitch | alestane: kinda like our company intranet site then :P |
| 20:19.56 | alestane | Like this bit I shared before: <h1>ХимикаÑÑ KODAK Ð´Ð»Ñ Ð¿ÑоÑеÑÑа AN-6<br /><font color="#ffffff">.</font></h1> |
| 20:20.02 | mikma | haste: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3rKcxXQTds |
| 20:20.19 | MoonWitch | ....... |
| 20:20.22 | haste | mikma: seen it :P |
| 20:20.28 | MoonWitch | alestane: Can I shoot the dude who made that??? |
| 20:20.33 | haste | mikma: abusing the youtube RSS feed :P |
| 20:20.40 | alestane | So far, i think I've got a taxonomy of at least five different wrong ways to create whitespace that have all been used on different pages of the site. |
| 20:20.59 | MoonWitch | alestane: Kinda like frontpage or word html ... |
| 20:21.25 | alestane | No, that's when I get four single-cell tables nested inside eachother with a div in the middle. |
| 20:21.35 | mikma | haste: poop |
| 20:21.58 | mikma | toaster cant handle viking bread |
| 20:22.20 | Dayle | heh the raidiconindex thingie still doesn't work. i tried that paste someone put up as well. |
| 20:22.38 | alestane | I love that one though, they couldn't even bother to use that most-loved artifact of bad spacing techniques, the non-breaking space. Instead they used a WHITE PERIOD. |
| 20:24.39 | alestane | I've got tables with explicit dimensions applied to cells, I've got transparent images scaled to different sizes, I've got s all over the place, I've got <divs> with classes that give them specific heights, I've got <divs> with classes that give them specific font--sizes, and of course, I've got SEQUENCES of divs set to specific sizes. |
| 20:25.29 | alestane | <div class="spacer5"> </div><div class="spacer5"> </div><div class="spacer5"> </div> |
| 20:25.50 | alestane | FFS, put a margin-bottom:15px on the tag above it and be done with it. |
| 20:26.22 | alestane | Oh, and lots of <br /> tags. |
| 20:27.13 | alestane | Had a list composed entirely of <li>blahblahblah loremipsum<br /><br /></li> |
| 20:27.40 | alestane | Come join me in Hell, I could use the company. |
| 20:29.23 | Dagmar | lol managers are complaining that my change requests are too verbose |
| 20:31.51 | Shirik | hahahah |
| 20:31.58 | Shirik | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/03/internet-explodes-with-snark-anger-despair-over-t-mobiles-sale.ars |
| 20:32.00 | Shirik | as if this was a surprise |
| 20:32.41 | Dagmar | hehe |
| 20:34.59 | nevcairiel | mobile stuff must really be horrible in the US |
| 20:35.11 | Ackis | nevcairiel: it's worse in Canada :( |
| 20:35.19 | Dagmar | We don't really have choices here |
| 20:35.33 | Dagmar | Most of the new models of cell phone are simply *not* sold directly to consumers at all |
| 20:35.49 | Kraps | Ackis: i knew about the asscreed facebook game since it came out, now i'm sad i didnt try it sooner |
| 20:36.00 | nevcairiel | thats the same here, but usually at least 2 carriers have them, and from the 4 carriers, you really have reception everywhere |
| 20:36.20 | Dagmar | ...and since the majority of the cell phone providers have carefully maintained networks separated by either frequency or protocol (and often both) it's not very likely you could even use the same phone if you changed networks |
| 20:36.37 | alestane | Oh, here's a real gem: <div> </div><div style="margin:-10px 0 0;"> </div> |
| 20:36.41 | nevcairiel | thats only the cdma shit |
| 20:36.51 | nevcairiel | should get rid of that already |
| 20:36.51 | Dagmar | Yeah and there's a lot of it here |
| 20:37.09 | alestane | Lunessa, MoonWitch, come claw your eyes out with me ^^^. |
| 20:37.15 | Dagmar | But..but... if they got rid of it, telcos would have to spend small amounts of money to actually buy new equipment |
| 20:37.20 | Dagmar | That's unfair! |
| 20:37.48 | Dagmar | They need free money from the government in order to build out something modern |
| 20:38.12 | Shirik | nevcairiel: Our mobile service is as bad as your gas prices |
| 20:38.18 | Kraps | imo sprint is also pretty bad |
| 20:38.28 | Dagmar | I say this knowing full well that in Tennessee, that's literally the ONLY way AT&T/BellSouth every upgraded anything. |
| 20:38.44 | nevcairiel | we have 4 major carriers, all with a nation wide coverage (some regioonal differences). But all are using GSM, and there is no phone that only works with one |
| 20:39.06 | Dagmar | er ever upgraded. Three separate times in the last 20 years they've done major overhauls here, and all three times they did it with free money from the public service commission |
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| 20:39.40 | Dagmar | If there were actual competition here, they might have to reconsider their "You bought a really nice phone" surcharge |
| 20:39.57 | Dagmar | Sprint's calling it a "web access" charge now |
| 20:40.01 | Arrowmaster | nevcairiel: all 4 of the major providers in the US (ATT, T-Mobile, Sprint, Verizon) have completely different networks |
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| 20:40.25 | nevcairiel | granted, our nation is only as big as one of your states, but hey |
| 20:40.32 | Arrowmaster | the only two that are close are ATT and T-Mobile which both have GSM and UTMS but on different frequencies |
| 20:40.38 | Dagmar | I already had a talk with a rep this morning about the new Nexus |
| 20:40.41 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: press releases make it sound like at&t and t-mo share tech |
| 20:40.54 | Arrowmaster | and ive never seen a phone that does UTMS on both ATT and T-Mobile frequencies |
| 20:41.08 | nevcairiel | dont they always have to have different freqs or the networks collide? :d |
| 20:41.15 | Gnarfoz | they don't overlap anyway |
| 20:41.28 | Arrowmaster | yes but no phones support both sets of freqs |
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| 20:41.34 | Dagmar | If I get the new Nexus with Sprint, I'll be required to pay an extra $10/month over and above everything else (including the required data plan) |
| 20:41.43 | Gnarfoz | required lol |
| 20:41.48 | nevcairiel | Somehow they manage to run 4 UMTS networks here, and phones support all of them |
| 20:41.51 | Gnarfoz | how can they even succeed with a business model like that |
| 20:42.01 | Dagmar | Gnarfoz: Complete lack of actual competition |
| 20:42.05 | alestane | I think my wife had to sign on that when she got an Evo, basically a $10 "You have an awesome phone" fee per month. |
| 20:42.08 | Dagmar | It's as simple as that |
| 20:42.09 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: they all share the same frequency band :P gogo wikipedia! |
| 20:42.47 | nevcairiel | at least for GSM, phones support usually 3, mostly even 4 bands, not sure how that is with umts these days |
| 20:42.49 | Arrowmaster | yeah and some of those EU UMTS freqs are supported by US phones but they arent used here |
| 20:42.54 | Dagmar | alestane: Yeah, that the FCC isn't doing a damn thing about that sort of hints they're likely to just sit around while AT&T eats T-Mobile |
| 20:43.19 | Gnarfoz | (which will also make you realize, if you follow the right hyperlinks, that all UMTS variants are somehow "cdma", just different kinds of it. there is no "GSM UMTS"... or someone edited all the articles to troll me, last time I read them) |
| 20:43.26 | Dagmar | Frankly I think someone should file a class-action against the lot of them for the 'fancy phone' surcharges |
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| 20:43.47 | Lunessa | alestane: The bad HTML it burns us. It makes use hurt. |
| 20:43.47 | Arrowmaster | LTE looks to be the point that the US mobile market will finally start to share freqs and allow you to take one phone between all carriers |
| 20:44.20 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster; YEah, and CableCard will be the wave of the future for Cable TV |
| 20:44.21 | Arrowmaster | Gnarfoz: right GSM was droped in favor of CDMA for 3G |
| 20:44.29 | alestane | That's right, Lunessa, first they put in psace that didn't belong there, with no other reason to exist, and then to get rid of it the PUT IN "ANTI-SPACE." |
| 20:44.37 | Gnarfoz | which makes it even weirder that they're not already sharing frequencies... :D |
| 20:45.07 | Dagmar | Oh wait... I forgot the cable companies dragged their feet about cablecard for almost ten f**king years because it would have interfered with their ability to maintain vertical integration of the media pipeline |
| 20:45.42 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: yeah digital cable let them sink their teeth into the set top box area again |
| 20:46.02 | nevcairiel | I never even considered switching carrier to get the phone they have .. i just pick my carrier for their contract details... :d |
| 20:46.07 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: The best part is that my cable decoder box has a cablecard embedded into it |
| 20:46.16 | alestane | Any large institution is going to resist change that endangers their competence. |
| 20:46.18 | Dagmar | I'd like to drive over to their offices and beat someone's face on a desk for that insult |
| 20:46.53 | Arrowmaster | nevcairiel: yeah in the US phones are locked to carriers by tech specs if you want anything above 2G GSM |
| 20:47.12 | Arrowmaster | or maybe EDGE too |
| 20:47.27 | Dagmar | The frequency/carrier restrictions also facilitate a large amount of secondary crime |
| 20:47.30 | Dagmar | Let's not forget that |
| 20:48.15 | Dagmar | Since none of these companies will even pretend to work together on even the simplest things, most stolen phones wind up going to a fence who'll reprogram them to talk on the other carrier's network if there's another carrier in the area who uses the same freqs |
| 20:48.52 | Dagmar | Doesn't matter if someone reports their stolen Sprint phone, since it's rather likely to wind up reflashed and still using the same ESN over on Cricket's network within the week |
| 20:49.07 | Arrowmaster | well the big 4 are the only ones with towers afaik, the rest just lease them for nation wide coverage |
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| 20:49.50 | Arrowmaster | even t-mobile leases from att for GSM coverage in places |
| 20:50.29 | Fisker | umadbro? |
| 20:50.39 | Fisker | AT&T&T-Mobile is the greatest merger of all time |
| 20:50.54 | Dagmar | For awhile I was amusing myself by calling up people listing reflashed phones on Craigslist and saying '...but if I reflashed this for Sprint, it would still work, right?' |
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| 20:54.16 | Fisker | yeeeeees |
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| 20:56.47 | alestane | Later, beautiful people, I must flee the madness. |
| 20:56.54 | Fisker | bye :( |
| 20:56.56 | Fisker | :( |
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