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| 00:06.37 | mckenziemc | sets fire to airtonix's pants. |
| 00:11.45 | karl_w_w | wtb pdf reader for phones |
| 00:12.09 | karl_w_w | otherwise i'll just have to break out the old psp homebrew |
| 00:23.51 | Arrowmaster | shouldnt the ebook apps read pdf? |
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| 00:28.05 | Alamak | Anyone here familiar with the idea behind eventual consistency? |
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| 00:32.58 | Derabo | is there something like ITEM_MOD_ARMOR? cannot find that string |
| 00:37.11 | d[karl]b | here's a thought, let's just shove it on my phone and see if it magically reads it natively |
| 00:39.18 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Have you *seen* the spec for PDF? It alone could overload some netbooks |
| 00:39.34 | d[karl]b | doubtful |
| 00:39.41 | d[karl]b | like i said, my psp can read them |
| 00:39.43 | Alamak | karl, what kind of phone do you have? |
| 00:40.02 | Dagmar | Places you explored before 1.2.0 will have _no_ Lapis. Everywhere else it'll still be rare as crap |
| 00:40.04 | Dagmar | wrong chan |
| 00:40.41 | Alamak | GAH. None of the things I've seen regarding custom chat types are working. |
| 00:40.41 | d[karl]b | a mobile phone Alamak :P |
| 00:41.38 | Alamak | Specifically, calling ChatFrame_OnEvent and passing in my own event string isn't getting the job done. |
| 00:44.12 | Alamak | I've hooked most (if not all) of the message handling stuff. |
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| 00:44.54 | Alamak | Theoretically, I should also be seeing config options for my custom types in the chat settings, but I'm not. |
| 00:44.54 | mckenziemc | what are you trying to do alamak |
| 00:45.25 | Alamak | I'm writing an addon for organizing large numbers of people. |
| 00:45.32 | Alamak | Greater than 40, in fact. |
| 00:46.41 | Alamak | I'm trying to insert a custom chat type or three so that they can be configured through the stock blizzard chat ui (which, according to the example code I'm working off of should be possible). |
| 00:46.44 | mckenziemc | so you're trynig to make a custom channel for this 'group' |
| 00:46.47 | mckenziemc | ah |
| 00:47.05 | Alamak | I know it's possible. I just haven't been able to get it to work yet. |
| 00:47.20 | Alamak | Well, before 4.0 it was possible. I imagine it still is. |
| 00:47.38 | mckenziemc | is there a reason you don't want to use the built in custom channels? |
| 00:48.21 | Alamak | Yes. I need different kinds of messages to be colored differently. I also want the user to be able to configure colors and applicable frames. |
| 00:49.29 | Alamak | Furthermore, as I understand it, getting the ChatFrame code to recognize, or at least pretend to recognize my chat type will mean that I'm one step closer to having those chat types be sticky. |
| 00:49.53 | Alamak | So that if you're talking to your squad, you don't have to type the /command each time. |
| 00:49.58 | mckenziemc | ah |
| 00:49.59 | Alamak | Because that is annoying. |
| 00:50.06 | Arrowmaster | Alamak: one thing of note, dont hook ChatFrame_OnEvent |
| 00:50.18 | Arrowmaster | hook the specific function you need that it calls |
| 00:50.29 | Alamak | Ooo. |
| 00:50.32 | Alamak | Good idear. |
| 00:50.32 | Arrowmaster | because from what i remember at least one of them needs to be secure |
| 00:50.46 | Arrowmaster | for some reason, so you dont want to taint it |
| 00:51.01 | Alamak | I'm actually not hooking ChatFrame_OnEvent. I AM calling it, but I'm not hooking it. |
| 00:51.09 | Arrowmaster | ah |
| 00:51.13 | Alamak | But I get what you're saying. |
| 00:51.18 | Alamak | Sec. I'll find the code I'm working from. |
| 00:51.37 | Alamak | http://www.wowwiki.com/Creating_your_own_chat_types |
| 00:51.48 | Arrowmaster | wowpedia.org |
| 00:53.03 | Arrowmaster | ok that is extremely old |
| 00:53.40 | jnwhiteh | stop linking wowwiki |
| 00:53.47 | jnwhiteh | wowpedia has the exact same pages and about 10,000 more =) |
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| 00:53.50 | jnwhiteh | let wowwiki die :P |
| 00:54.00 | cbreak | why? |
| 00:54.09 | jnwhiteh | because none of us support it |
| 00:54.11 | jnwhiteh | all of the editors left |
| 00:54.15 | jnwhiteh | and went to wowpedia |
| 00:54.19 | Alamak | Sorry. It showed up when I googled custom chat types |
| 00:54.21 | Alamak | =) |
| 00:54.22 | jnwhiteh | and we already have two sites, no need for a third =) |
| 00:54.36 | jnwhiteh | Alamak: the google rankings for wowpedia aren't as high as they need to be, but they are getting there |
| 00:54.48 | jnwhiteh | you can just replace wowwiki.com with wowpedia.org and 99% of the time it should work :P |
| 00:54.59 | jnwhiteh | cbreak: tell your friends! |
| 00:55.00 | Alamak | So, the wowpedia article is exactly the same, and so my question stands. |
| 00:55.03 | Arrowmaster | for pages like that one i doubt the wowpedia one will ever be above the wowwiki one |
| 00:55.08 | Alamak | What am I doing wrong? |
| 00:55.19 | Arrowmaster | Alamak: that code is extremely old and outdated |
| 00:55.30 | jnwhiteh | it was written way before the chat revamp |
| 00:55.35 | Alamak | I believe it. =) |
| 00:55.44 | jnwhiteh | I'm not sure if its even possible without a custom channel without tainting the entire chat system |
| 00:55.46 | jnwhiteh | I suspect not |
| 00:55.56 | Arrowmaster | i dont think it would |
| 00:55.58 | Alamak | So where would I find information on how to recreate the functionality? Is it even possible now? |
| 00:56.05 | Arrowmaster | ~framexml |
| 00:56.05 | purl | well, framexml is Export code art from the client by using the console commands "ExportInterfaceFiles code" and "ExportInterfaceFiles art"; or view it online at http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source , http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser or http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml |
| 00:56.11 | Arrowmaster | first off get reading the chatframe code |
| 00:56.42 | Alamak | I read a great deal of it. Any specific sections you recommend? |
| 00:56.46 | Jamash | Arrowmaster: I mentally transposed the second and third words in that sentence |
| 00:56.59 | Alamak | ^ |
| 00:58.09 | Nobgul | all of it |
| 00:59.00 | Alamak | settles in for 4700 lines of readin' |
| 00:59.02 | Arrowmaster | first youll probably want to focus on getting your new chat types into the config without breaking anything (and without hardcoding it, so that if by some chance another addon wants to do the same they dont conflict) |
| 00:59.34 | Arrowmaster | if you cant do that youll likely give up at that point |
| 00:59.41 | Alamak | adding my data into the global ChatType* tables is probably not the way to go, huh? |
| 00:59.43 | Nobgul | I missed the start of the convo. Why are we creating custom chat types? |
| 00:59.58 | Arrowmaster | because he wants to |
| 01:00.03 | Nobgul | fair enough |
| 01:00.22 | Arrowmaster | it was a valid thing to do in the old chat system |
| 01:00.24 | Alamak | I'm basically making an addon that allows for organizing a greater number of people than a raid allows. |
| 01:00.34 | Arrowmaster | hell ctraid probably started it all |
| 01:00.36 | foxlit | Question: use a regular channel? |
| 01:00.42 | Alamak | Primarily for world pvp |
| 01:01.27 | Alamak | addon messages don't work in custom channels, and I don't want outsiders being able to easily see the data that's being passed around. |
| 01:01.44 | Alamak | AND |
| 01:01.45 | Arrowmaster | so what are you going to use? |
| 01:01.49 | Nobgul | wouldnt it be easier to create a random generated custom channel for each of your " orginzations" then send the other people with the addon the info via the addon channel and have them join it? |
| 01:02.26 | Nobgul | randomize the names tanks12343534 |
| 01:02.29 | Nobgul | w/e |
| 01:02.36 | Alamak | Well, one of the things the addon is written to do is manage a roster of your warband. |
| 01:02.48 | Nobgul | warband >_< |
| 01:02.53 | Nobgul | what is a warband? |
| 01:03.06 | Alamak | War band? |
| 01:03.26 | Nobgul | [20:02] <Alamak> Well, one of the things the addon is written to do is manage a roster of your warband. <---- you said it not me |
| 01:03.43 | Jamash | it's a group of dudes who dispense justice with musical intruments |
| 01:03.50 | Nobgul | lol |
| 01:03.51 | Alamak | A valid Horde unit type in the hierarchy. |
| 01:03.58 | Alamak | It's roughly equivalent to a battalion |
| 01:04.01 | Nobgul | 0_o |
| 01:04.04 | Arrowmaster | a music group that primarily preforms in the middle of a large battlefield |
| 01:04.17 | Jamash | what's the /practical/ definition of a warband in the context of your addon |
| 01:04.32 | Kraps | so |
| 01:04.33 | Nobgul | Ok so 1 last question. How many 40 man raids full of people do you rock out with in your world pvp adventures? |
| 01:04.34 | Kraps | many |
| 01:04.39 | Kraps | hotfixes |
| 01:04.58 | Jamash | Then, suddenly, HOTFIXES EVERYWHERE |
| 01:05.11 | Alamak | A unit with an undetermined amount of members, organized in squads of variable size, able to span across multiple raids. |
| 01:05.30 | Nobgul | aight Alamak, Ill let you be now. |
| 01:05.38 | cbreak | Alamak: a guild? |
| 01:06.11 | Nobgul | I have run 3 40 man raids doing fth every week for the last year. and never felt i needed a addon |
| 01:06.17 | Alamak | I have a story to illustrate the reason why I'm making this. |
| 01:06.23 | Jamash | STORY TIME |
| 01:06.28 | Nobgul | Alamak, Im listening. |
| 01:06.36 | Nobgul | Jamash, wheres the popcorn? |
| 01:06.44 | Jamash | sits on the rug and drinks from his juicebox |
| 01:07.29 | Alamak | A few weeks ago (and every week since then), my guild, the Blacktooth Grin (VeCo), and several other WPvP guilds got together and stormed most of Azeroth (the kingdom, not the whole world) |
| 01:07.42 | Alamak | There were around 70-ish of us. |
| 01:08.05 | Alamak | This wasn't just blob warfare, though. |
| 01:08.24 | Kraps | "Crysis 2 Leaked Online, Creators âDeeply Disappointedâ" |
| 01:08.26 | Alamak | On VeCo, we use actual tactics and such. |
| 01:08.27 | Kraps | meh |
| 01:08.45 | Nobgul | blob warfare, are you even talking about world of warcraft? |
| 01:09.01 | Nobgul | Goes back to adding apps to his iPad |
| 01:09.12 | Jamash | this is not eve |
| 01:09.29 | Alamak | But the idea is essentially the same. |
| 01:09.30 | Jamash | this is AZEROTH |
| 01:09.38 | Jamash | kicks Alamak into a pit |
| 01:09.40 | Nobgul | wait is it a a roleplaying pvp server?? |
| 01:09.44 | Alamak | Yes. |
| 01:09.50 | Alamak | RP-PvP |
| 01:09.51 | Nobgul | nuff said |
| 01:10.04 | Alamak | Blob warfare: what goes on in the midfield WSG |
| 01:10.21 | Nobgul | >_< |
| 01:10.24 | Nobgul | Goes back to adding apps to his iPad |
| 01:10.31 | Alamak | Most WPvP I've encountered on other servers is basically midfield WSG but on a larger scale. |
| 01:10.34 | Alamak | ANYWAY |
| 01:11.00 | Alamak | Trying to get more than 40 people organized is nearly impossible given the limitations of raids. |
| 01:11.24 | Alamak | Even trying to get 40 people organized, if not everyone should be doing the same thing all at once, is very difficult. |
| 01:11.30 | Alamak | Raid warnings can't be targeted. |
| 01:11.39 | Kraps | http://kotaku.com/#!5758320/a-love-poem-to-video-games |
| 01:11.56 | Dagmar | Alamak: Sure they can |
| 01:12.01 | mckenziemc | you mean raid marks? |
| 01:12.07 | Dagmar | /rw STEVE! PAY THE F**K ATTENTION, MAN! |
| 01:12.07 | Alamak | No. Raid warnings. |
| 01:12.40 | Alamak | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:13.11 | Alamak | And so do the captains of each squad, as well as any assists and the leader. |
| 01:13.19 | Alamak | And so does the whole battalion. |
| 01:13.30 | Alamak | Each mode also has an associated warning. |
| 01:13.42 | Alamak | That's all well and good. |
| 01:13.46 | Alamak | I've got that all working. |
| 01:14.03 | Alamak | What I can't figure out is how to sticky those chat modes. |
| 01:14.44 | Alamak | It used to be possible. I'm sure it probably still is with the right code. |
| 01:15.32 | Alamak | Also, unless I'm just doing it wrong, it seems impossible to get any results at all by calling ChatFrame_OnEvent |
| 01:15.58 | Alamak | I'm most likely just doing it wrong. |
| 01:16.39 | Arrowmaster | probably, since that code you started with is so old its completely wrong |
| 01:16.49 | Alamak | Well yeah. |
| 01:17.42 | Alamak | But, I tried manually calling it using the same argument structure that other events use. At the very least, I'm unable to get it to emulate real events. |
| 01:17.49 | Alamak | *I've been unable |
| 01:21.46 | Alamak | Even monster emotes and such. |
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| 01:39.26 | sylvanaar | anyone interested in trying out my Lua IDE (plugin) |
| 01:39.43 | Zhinjio1 | yup! |
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| 01:40.49 | Alamak | For? |
| 01:41.04 | Alamak | Yours is the one for IntelliJ, right? |
| 01:41.20 | sylvanaar | yes |
| 01:41.29 | Alamak | I'm currently using it. =D |
| 01:41.33 | Alamak | It's pretty great. |
| 01:41.54 | Alamak | My only complaint is that refactoring doesn't seem to work, unless I'm doin it wrong. |
| 01:42.03 | sylvanaar | i have just updated it so it will support wow api's and using the framexml directory as a library |
| 01:42.09 | sylvanaar | which refactoring |
| 01:42.16 | Alamak | Renaming things. |
| 01:42.28 | sylvanaar | i just fixed it this weekend |
| 01:42.30 | Alamak | Which is, unfortunately, the thing I want to do the most often. |
| 01:42.42 | Alamak | Ah. I got it three days ago, so I probably just need to update. |
| 01:43.00 | Nobgul | sylvanaar, link me plz |
| 01:43.08 | sylvanaar | https://bitbucket.org/sylvanaar2/lua-for-idea/wiki/Home |
| 01:43.31 | sylvanaar | you also need intelliJ community edition: www.freejavaide.com |
| 01:43.49 | Nobgul | cheers, i have it. |
| 01:44.20 | sylvanaar | btw that link was wrong: http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/download/index.html |
| 01:45.00 | sylvanaar | it has support for the WoW api's now, and for looking up things in framexml, but you have to configure it |
| 01:45.20 | Nobgul | thats what caught my attention |
| 01:45.23 | sylvanaar | https://bitbucket.org/sylvanaar2/lua-for-idea/wiki/Setting_Up_Custom_API%27s |
| 01:46.12 | sylvanaar | http://screencast.com/t/9s5vtaKw2Ca http://screencast.com/t/wmmvmJqvPw |
| 01:46.29 | sylvanaar | there are a couple screencasts showing the wow api and framexml |
| 01:46.53 | sylvanaar | they are really short |
| 01:47.08 | clever | has anything changed with CHAT_MSG_LOOT? |
| 01:49.37 | airtonix | d[karl]b: hoho market.android.com/details?id=com.adobe.reader |
| 01:50.00 | Cide | Hello |
| 01:50.08 | sylvanaar | Nobgul: make sure you are running 0.9.58, and you should probably run File|Clear Caches, just to be safe |
| 01:50.40 | Alamak | Not sure if it's a IJ issue or the lua module, but does the new version take care of TODO items being forgotten? |
| 01:50.54 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMFE7C5y9Zw&feature=related wtf meredith |
| 01:51.17 | sylvanaar | Alamak: i fixed the todo thing a while ago, what version are you running? |
| 01:52.39 | Alamak | erm. |
| 01:52.54 | Alamak | Soon as I figure out how to check I'll tell you. =) |
| 01:53.22 | Alamak | 0.9.51, it would seem. |
| 01:53.52 | Alamak | What version are you on? |
| 01:54.02 | sylvanaar | 0.9.58 |
| 01:54.22 | Alamak | Installing now. |
| 01:54.57 | Kraps | http://www.groupon.com/blog/cities/one-last-post-on-the-super-bowl/ |
| 01:55.02 | sylvanaar | perhaps you should tell me more about the problem, maybe its a different issue |
| 01:55.38 | Alamak | Occasionally, the TODO list disappears. The tags are still there in comments, the list just forgets them. |
| 01:55.56 | Alamak | If I type a new one or retype one that I've already got, the list repopulates. |
| 01:56.16 | sylvanaar | hrm, let me try |
| 01:56.21 | Alamak | The structure does a similar thing sometimes. |
| 01:56.51 | Alamak | Also, local functions aren't recognized, or at least they weren't in 0.9.51. You may have changed that since then. |
| 01:57.18 | sylvanaar | recognized as what |
| 01:57.25 | Alamak | functions. |
| 01:57.29 | sylvanaar | in the structure view? |
| 01:57.49 | Alamak | Yep. Also in the expand/collapse column to the left of the edit field. |
| 01:57.58 | Alamak | This may have already been fixed, though. |
| 01:58.04 | Alamak | Lemme fire IJ up again |
| 01:59.16 | Nobgul | Ill play with it later sylvanaar, Im busy copying movies over to my ipad =P |
| 01:59.49 | sylvanaar | Nobgul: hehe, i still havent figured out how to do that (though i havent spent much time on it) |
| 02:00.22 | Nobgul | Either convert them. Or jailbreak it install vlc and use iphone browser to transfer them over. |
| 02:00.45 | Alamak | Oh, feature question/request: Is it possible for functions within tables to be recognized in structure view? I imagine that it's not a terribly common thing to do in any case, though. |
| 02:00.47 | Nobgul | I prefer the convert cause you can set the volume to +600%, as to hear in noisy situations |
| 02:00.58 | Alamak | So probably not worth the time or effort to do. |
| 02:03.08 | d[karl]b | airtonix: the only android i know died at the end of nemesis |
| 02:03.11 | sylvanaar | i have never tried, it is supposed to find all the functions and put them there, but ill run some testss, i havent tested structure view in a while since i have not had any trouble with it |
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| 02:03.31 | Alamak | TODO's still buggy for me. |
| 02:03.57 | Alamak | I actually have a TODO item on the first line of my code so I can easily delete/retype it to repopulate the list. lol |
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| 02:04.19 | sylvanaar | so, how can i reproduce it |
| 02:04.24 | Shirik | Cide: ping |
| 02:04.56 | Shirik | Cide: ping |
| 02:04.58 | Shirik | :( |
| 02:04.58 | Alamak | Not sure. It happens any time I open IJ, and sometimes when I minimize and restore it. |
| 02:05.19 | Alamak | And other times when I'm writing a new function and haven't put an end yet |
| 02:05.25 | Alamak | It'ss very strange. |
| 02:05.33 | Alamak | Actually, screenshot incoming. |
| 02:06.05 | Cide | Shirik: pong |
| 02:06.14 | Shirik | Howw the hell do you get down the mobs before Atrimedes? |
| 02:06.26 | Cide | Shirik: correct kill order |
| 02:06.37 | Cide | Shirik: on the left side, you go left to right, one by one |
| 02:06.45 | Cide | Shirik: on the right side, you go far right, and then left to right after that |
| 02:07.24 | Shirik | why is the tank taking a ton of damage |
| 02:07.34 | Shirik | like an unintelligible amount |
| 02:07.40 | Cide | Shirik: no clue |
| 02:07.44 | Cide | Shirik: you need 2 tanks for it |
| 02:07.45 | Shirik | is there a reason we do it in this order? |
| 02:08.06 | Cide | yeah |
| 02:08.11 | Cide | they each have unique abilities |
| 02:08.16 | Shirik | I'm aware of that |
| 02:08.26 | Cide | and when you kill one, all the others get full hp and the dead mob gives its ability to all the others |
| 02:08.39 | Cide | so you want to kill them in ascending nastiness |
| 02:09.00 | Shirik | and for the tanks you just split 2-2? |
| 02:09.42 | airtonix | Fisker, jnwhiteh check out locus for android |
| 02:09.49 | Cide | Shirik: yep |
| 02:09.54 | Cide | Shirik: but don't put one tank on the first two |
| 02:10.03 | Cide | do 1-4 and 2-3, the former being your best tank |
| 02:10.42 | d[karl]b | who's good with regex? |
| 02:10.47 | Alamak | sylvanaar: http://imgur.com/6bcpf |
| 02:10.56 | Cide | Shirik: for the right side, the guy who puts a big hammer over somebody's head |
| 02:10.57 | Shirik | 1-4? |
| 02:11.02 | Cide | mob 1 & 4 |
| 02:11.03 | airtonix | Fisker, jnwhiteh https://market.android.com/details?id=menion.android.locus |
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| 02:11.29 | Cide | Shirik: for the right side, the guy second from the right puts a hammer on somebody's head |
| 02:11.30 | Shirik | Oh we're doing right first |
| 02:11.31 | Shirik | so I was confused |
| 02:11.50 | Cide | ah |
| 02:12.00 | Cide | yeah, add # is regards to kill order, not position |
| 02:12.05 | Shirik | ok |
| 02:12.16 | Cide | anyway, second add from the right on the right side puts a hammer on somebody's head |
| 02:12.34 | Cide | you gotta dps through his absorb shield and interrupt |
| 02:12.47 | Cide | it's an instakill if you take too long |
| 02:13.22 | Cide | not even guardian spirit works! |
| 02:14.01 | sylvanaar | Alamak: its probably an IJ bug |
| 02:14.29 | Alamak | Also, it doesn't recognize local functions for collapsing. |
| 02:14.35 | Alamak | Or in the structure, in fact. |
| 02:14.46 | Alamak | Also possibly an IJ bug. |
| 02:16.15 | Shirik | Cide: What is burden of the crown?: |
| 02:16.18 | Shirik | (The last on the left side) |
| 02:18.08 | sylvanaar | Alamak: there is a similar issue on the tracker http://youtrack.jetbrains.net/issue/IDEA-54752?projectKey=IDEA&query=todo+state%3A+Open |
| 02:18.08 | Cide | Shirik: not sure |
| 02:18.09 | Cide | Shirik: double damage I think |
| 02:18.09 | Shirik | yeah |
| 02:18.09 | Shirik | looked it up |
| 02:19.56 | Alamak | sylvanaar: Going through your tutorial now on setting up a custom API |
| 02:20.16 | Alamak | Can't wait till I get it working. It will save me a BOATLOAD of time. |
| 02:20.37 | sylvanaar | when you are done, i can walk you through setting up framexml as a library too |
| 02:20.49 | Alamak | Snazzy. =) |
| 02:23.02 | Cide | Shirik: get chimaeron down? |
| 02:23.13 | Shirik | nah we're missing a tank so we moved to atrimedes while he gets back |
| 02:23.17 | Cide | Shirik: ah |
| 02:23.26 | Cide | Shirik: good luck, atramedes is fun and pretty simple |
| 02:25.46 | Shirik | do you use 2 or 3 healers? |
| 02:26.40 | Cide | 3 |
| 02:26.48 | Cide | we don't use 2 healers on any fight ever |
| 02:26.55 | Cide | except TB |
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| 02:29.24 | airtonix | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:30.30 | Alamak | API isn't working. = \ |
| 02:31.05 | Alamak | oh |
| 02:31.17 | Alamak | I don't have a Lua SDK home path. Is that a problem? |
| 02:31.27 | Alamak | I probably need the Lua SDK, eh? |
| 02:31.48 | Alamak | owait |
| 02:31.49 | Nobgul | Yea |
| 02:31.54 | Nobgul | You need to set the path to it |
| 02:31.57 | Alamak | you don't have it in the example. o.O |
| 02:32.03 | Nobgul | Its there |
| 02:32.05 | sylvanaar | Alamak: you might need to clear your cache |
| 02:32.23 | sylvanaar | File|Clear Caches |
| 02:32.30 | Nobgul | https://bitbucket.org/sylvanaar2/lua-for-idea/wiki/9-13-2010-9-06-40.png |
| 02:34.30 | sylvanaar | well you have to have *AN* sdk - Either the Kahlua sdk or the lua one |
| 02:35.01 | Alamak | I'm using the Kahlua one. |
| 02:35.14 | sylvanaar | ok, then your problem is uncleared caches |
| 02:35.14 | Alamak | invalidating the cache worked. |
| 02:35.18 | sylvanaar | yeah |
| 02:35.34 | Alamak | Interestingly enough, it also seems to have done something with the TODO problem. Immediately works. |
| 02:36.42 | sylvanaar | yeah, IJ is uses a lot of caching, its good to clear them when you run into issues |
| 02:36.45 | Wobin | Do we have any addons that affect the flightmaster map? |
| 02:37.54 | Alamak | Huzzah! Wow API working |
| 02:38.23 | Alamak | So, setting up framexml as a lib, eh? |
| 02:38.33 | Alamak | This sounds fun. =) |
| 02:38.40 | Alamak | (also useful) |
| 02:39.15 | sylvanaar | ok, its pretty simple. |
| 02:39.47 | sylvanaar | File|Project Structure |
| 02:40.04 | sylvanaar | then Global Libraries, and click the + |
| 02:40.34 | Alamak | k |
| 02:40.42 | sylvanaar | For name put FrameXML |
| 02:40.55 | sylvanaar | then click attach classes |
| 02:41.04 | sylvanaar | point it to your framexml directory |
| 02:41.28 | Alamak | There's a way to get wow to spit out framexml, right? |
| 02:41.39 | sylvanaar | i just downloaded it from github |
| 02:41.47 | Alamak | I suppose I could do that too |
| 02:42.23 | Kraps | http://www.ea.com/crysis-2/blog/crysis-leak |
| 02:45.08 | Alamak | Woot. |
| 02:45.12 | Alamak | Thanks! |
| 02:46.19 | Alamak | Also, double thanks for making the plugin. |
| 02:46.35 | Alamak | Vastly superior to using Notepad++, which, while a great text editor, isn't an IDE |
| 02:46.57 | Alamak | I'll take IDE over text editor with syntax highlighting any day. |
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| 02:50.12 | sylvanaar | great, if you run into any issues let me know - or even better make a ticket on bitbucket |
| 02:52.54 | Alamak | so, is the local function thing an IJ problem? |
| 02:55.48 | clever | has anything changed with CHAT_MSG_LOOT? |
| 02:57.13 | Alamak | Not sure. |
| 02:57.24 | Alamak | You might check wowpedia |
| 02:57.55 | Alamak | when in doubt, print args. |
| 02:58.02 | Alamak | =) |
| 02:58.32 | Alamak | or just look at the event in /eventtrace |
| 02:58.59 | clever | Alamak: its not even triggering anymore |
| 02:59.20 | Alamak | Hrm. |
| 02:59.28 | Alamak | The event is still firing, obviously. |
| 02:59.32 | airtonix | Kraps: lold |
| 02:59.35 | clever | when collecting archaelogy fragments |
| 02:59.39 | Kraps | airtonix: ? |
| 02:59.50 | clever | Alamak: it used to fire when picking them up, it doesnt anymore |
| 02:59.52 | airtonix | Kraps: it was me. i stole the copy from the front desk counter |
| 02:59.55 | Alamak | Arg 1 is "You receive loot: [item link]." |
| 03:00.14 | airtonix | Kraps: i was in my disguise " EA Executive Outfit" |
| 03:00.21 | clever | Alamak: my code is checking for 'You receive currency' |
| 03:00.47 | airtonix | Kraps: and then i proceeded to play tetris |
| 03:01.15 | Alamak | Does that fire when you sell something? |
| 03:01.26 | clever | Alamak: never checked that |
| 03:01.28 | Kraps | thank airtonix, when pc gaming dies i'll know to hunt you down and kill you |
| 03:01.33 | sylvanaar | Alamak: i forgot to try local functions, let me see |
| 03:02.01 | Alamak | And, to answer my question, clever, it doesn't |
| 03:02.06 | Alamak | PLAYER_MONEY does |
| 03:02.15 | Alamak | But eventtrace only shows a timestamp |
| 03:02.18 | Alamak | Not an amount. |
| 03:02.20 | Alamak | = \ |
| 03:03.09 | sylvanaar | Alamak: local functions show up for me, maybe i need more info |
| 03:03.38 | clever | Alamak: never seen /eventtrace before |
| 03:03.49 | clever | though its spammed with too many WORLD_MAP_UPDATE's to be of use right now |
| 03:04.25 | airtonix | Kraps: you'll have to get past all my employess at EA |
| 03:04.37 | airtonix | devoted zealots to my cause they are |
| 03:04.39 | Alamak | If you scroll it to the bottom and stand completely still and loot, should be able to catch the event. =) |
| 03:04.57 | clever | Alamak: i'm not moving, and i'm still getting several of those per second |
| 03:05.32 | Alamak | Oh |
| 03:05.37 | Alamak | new event |
| 03:05.41 | Alamak | CHAT_MSG_MONEY |
| 03:05.50 | Alamak | "You loot 2 copper" |
| 03:06.00 | Alamak | Being the first arg. |
| 03:06.23 | clever | looks like i can hit an X beside the spam |
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| 03:08.33 | clever | CURRENCY_DISPLAY_UPDATE fired, hmmm |
| 03:08.57 | clever | along with the expected stuff about loot window |
| 03:09.00 | Alamak | CHAT_MSG_MONEY fired when I looted those two copper. =) |
| 03:09.11 | Alamak | May not fire for everything I suppose. |
| 03:09.19 | clever | i'm looking for archaelogy fragments |
| 03:09.19 | Alamak | May I ask what you're doing with it? |
| 03:09.45 | Alamak | Oh |
| 03:10.23 | Alamak | I figured those would be considered tokens. Although I guess currency may == tokens as far as events go. |
| 03:10.57 | clever | within the chatlog, it says you receive currency: fossil archaeology fragment x4. |
| 03:11.06 | Alamak | Ah |
| 03:11.28 | Alamak | What args did the CURRENCY_DISPLAY_UPDATE pass? Any? |
| 03:11.37 | clever | none |
| 03:11.46 | Alamak | Hrm. |
| 03:11.49 | d[karl]b | archy fragments arent actually a currency anymore |
| 03:12.03 | clever | but its always paired with spell 73979 |
| 03:12.17 | Jamash | d[karl]b: since when? |
| 03:12.24 | d[karl]b | 4.0.6 |
| 03:12.32 | Jamash | what are they? |
| 03:12.41 | d[karl]b | not a clue |
| 03:12.42 | Alamak | I was about to ask the same question. |
| 03:14.41 | Alamak | Now to somehow make my roster use an eventual consistency framework. |
| 03:14.46 | Alamak | -.- |
| 03:15.34 | Alamak | Or get as close to eventually consistent as I can. Trying to make sure I trade consistency for availability when possible. |
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| 03:17.32 | d[karl]b | !api modifier_state |
| 03:17.32 | lua_bot | MODIFIER_STATE_CHANGED: Fires when a modifier key is pressed or released. (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/MODIFIER_STATE_CHANGED) |
| 03:18.21 | clever | Alamak: ok, fixed now |
| 03:18.30 | clever | now to hide all the beta level things and push an update out |
| 03:19.17 | d[karl]b | so what are you actually trying to do with events clever? |
| 03:19.34 | clever | detect when you pick up an archaeology fragment |
| 03:21.04 | Cide | should be easy |
| 03:21.14 | clever | already got it fixed |
| 03:21.54 | Alamak | What happens in your addon when you pick up a fragment? Also, what addon? |
| 03:22.17 | clever | it clears all the info it was giving you |
| 03:22.34 | clever | it uses the distance from each survey to point to where it should be |
| 03:22.58 | clever | Alamak: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info18992-CleverArchaelogist.html |
| 03:24.09 | d[karl]b | ARTIFACT_UPDATE seems to fire every time |
| 03:24.43 | clever | didnt see that one in eventtrace |
| 03:24.59 | olafski | hrm.. all it does is show the distance from every indicator? :s |
| 03:25.13 | clever | it knows the distance from every survey and what color they are |
| 03:25.18 | clever | and what distance you should be at |
| 03:25.29 | clever | then highlights a search area on the minimap |
| 03:26.01 | Alamak | Do you still have to push 1, 2, or 3? |
| 03:26.07 | clever | yeah |
| 03:26.20 | olafski | I don't mean to be "that guy" but Archaeology Helper already does that :s |
| 03:26.33 | Alamak | I recommend changing that bit at the very least. Maybe make a frame with buttons in it? |
| 03:26.35 | clever | that addon wasnt out when i started |
| 03:26.49 | olafski | how long ago did you start? |
| 03:27.03 | clever | olafski: shortly after i got the profession |
| 03:27.15 | clever | Alamak: it only binds when it needs to, so it doesnt get in the way |
| 03:27.39 | olafski | clever: that's hardly an answer, but carry on I guess.. :P |
| 03:27.58 | Alamak | Does it unbind when you enter combat? |
| 03:28.02 | clever | olafski: at the time, there where no other achr addons |
| 03:28.04 | clever | Alamak: yep |
| 03:28.14 | Alamak | Not even Archy? |
| 03:28.18 | olafski | clever: you could've just said something like "2 months ago" instead of being all cryptic :P |
| 03:28.50 | clever | Alamak: dont know when that came out |
| 03:28.57 | clever | but i can check my svn repo for an exact day |
| 03:29.08 | olafski | the first version (that's still on curse) for archaeology helper is december 20th |
| 03:29.45 | olafski | 22nd for archy.. version 1.6.1 though |
| 03:29.57 | clever | i signed up for a cata beta that was on the wow.com blog |
| 03:29.58 | clever | all it got me was phishing emails:P |
| 03:30.35 | olafski | first version of archy on wowinterface is october 16th.. few months before cata was released =) |
| 03:31.02 | clever | i never saw that when i looked |
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| 03:32.57 | olafski | hmkay.. well I'm not trying to 1up you or anything, just wondering why you're still working on this.. I can think of a few reasons, just wondering =) |
| 03:33.18 | clever | dec 12th is the version 0.02 |
| 03:33.39 | clever | first version in the repo |
| 03:34.32 | Alamak | sylvanaar: did you figure out the local function thing? Is it specific to me? |
| 03:36.32 | Nobgul | World of goo is brilliant |
| 03:37.04 | olafski | 'tis ok :P |
| 03:38.42 | Nobgul | Know how many levels there are? |
| 03:38.56 | olafski | no clue I didn't get very far :) |
| 03:39.00 | Nobgul | =P |
| 03:40.44 | olafski | I did maybe 15 levels or so |
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| 03:43.19 | Cide | hmm |
| 03:43.37 | Cide | kde keeps remembering the console windows I had up from the previous session/some other itme |
| 03:43.40 | Cide | time* |
| 03:43.52 | Cide | any way I can get it to not start a bunch of console windows on login? |
| 03:44.05 | Cide | same with other programs too I suppose, like chrome |
| 03:44.35 | kd3 | kde menu->preferences->session |
| 03:44.37 | kd3 | s/b in there somewhere |
| 03:45.03 | Cide | oh, that was easy |
| 03:45.09 | Cide | I didn't find the session management tab |
| 03:45.28 | Cide | thanks |
| 03:45.40 | Cide | while we're at it |
| 03:45.50 | Cide | why does pulseaudio not start automatically? |
| 03:46.00 | Cide | I have to `pulseaudio -k` to get sound every time |
| 03:46.38 | kd3 | probably because kde's audio manager (whatever it's called) is in the way? |
| 03:46.50 | Cide | no clue there |
| 03:47.03 | Cide | I just need to `pulseaudio -k` once and pulseaudio works fine |
| 03:47.08 | Cide | but it's annoying to do it every session |
| 03:47.24 | kd3 | create a shell script and set kde to run it once you log in? |
| 03:47.29 | Cide | that's one option yeah |
| 03:47.31 | kd3 | you can do that in the session managemant pane too |
| 03:47.35 | Cide | but I'd rather deal with the underlying issue |
| 03:47.46 | Cide | hm, I already did that actually |
| 03:47.58 | clever | ive got a more anoying problem |
| 03:48.01 | Cide | so that doesn't help it seems |
| 03:48.04 | clever | tput bel doesnt make any noise |
| 03:48.07 | clever | but only if i use gnome |
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| 04:01.32 | Kraps | so i sucked or my party did |
| 04:02.04 | Kraps | going oom at like 90% boss health is bad |
| 04:02.24 | Nobgul | What class |
| 04:02.32 | Kraps | disc priest |
| 04:02.39 | Nobgul | damn |
| 04:02.47 | Nobgul | is the tank wearing plate? lol |
| 04:03.00 | Cide | also |
| 04:03.03 | Cide | are you specced disc? |
| 04:03.19 | Nobgul | Dont laugh, got a random earlier warrior tank 1/2 mail items and a int shield. |
| 04:03.39 | Kraps | Cide: thats what i meant by "disc priest" |
| 04:03.46 | Cide | just making sure |
| 04:03.51 | Cide | there's your problem right there! |
| 04:04.07 | Nobgul | lol |
| 04:04.10 | Kraps | rages at Cide |
| 04:04.15 | Nobgul | haha |
| 04:04.39 | Cide | go ho(ly|me) |
| 04:05.00 | Nobgul | Love how my ipad is connected to my pc. The battery icon says not charging yet the thing has been on full bright playing music vids for 14 hours and hasn't died yet =P |
| 04:05.21 | Cide | it's not necessarily charging if it's at full battery, I would imagine |
| 04:05.32 | Cide | then it can just pull direct from usb |
| 04:05.42 | Cide | ^ how my android phone works anyway |
| 04:08.00 | mckenziemc | yeah, i think thats' what nobgul's saying :p |
| 04:08.14 | Cide | don't think so no |
| 04:08.41 | mckenziemc | slaps Fisker around a bit with a www.wowhead.com/item=37708 |
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| 04:09.44 | Nobgul | tl:dr, the thing says not chargiong but it does |
| 04:09.50 | Nobgul | =P |
| 04:10.10 | Wobin | hokay |
| 04:10.13 | Wobin | http://screencast.com/t/bBYElQoYnD |
| 04:10.19 | Wobin | what shall I call this? |
| 04:10.25 | Cide | ghostbusters |
| 04:10.34 | Wobin | that seems like a terrible name |
| 04:10.39 | Cide | not having watched it |
| 04:11.02 | Nobgul | call it a flight map? |
| 04:11.12 | Wobin | well, it's -using- the flight map |
| 04:11.17 | Wobin | but it's showing the digsites on it |
| 04:11.27 | Nobgul | digsites from hell |
| 04:11.33 | Wobin | so I don't have to flip between world and flightmap all the time to find the closest flightpoint |
| 04:11.34 | Nobgul | i dunno |
| 04:11.44 | Nobgul | Ah hrmm |
| 04:11.52 | Gnarfoz | so Phanx took it upon herself to reduce Grid's functionality once again? I like |
| 04:11.55 | Alamak | Oh nice |
| 04:11.58 | d[karl]b | why would you use a flight path to go digging? :P |
| 04:11.59 | Nobgul | Arch Flight? |
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| 04:12.07 | Nobgul | dardack |
| 04:12.09 | Nobgul | err mt |
| 04:12.15 | Alamak | Flying Fragments |
| 04:12.31 | Alamak | =P |
| 04:12.32 | Gnarfoz | to safely go AFK, probably |
| 04:12.33 | clever | shrapnel? |
| 04:12.42 | Wobin | d[karl]b: aside from teleporting to digsites or something? |
| 04:12.50 | Nobgul | Lazy arch flight? |
| 04:12.56 | Wobin | clever: that's a bit too obscure, perhaps |
| 04:13.10 | Wobin | ArmchairArchaeologist |
| 04:13.14 | Nobgul | lol |
| 04:13.24 | Nobgul | +1 for Wobin |
| 04:13.25 | clever | i do sometimes want to take a flightpoint and go make a meal |
| 04:13.45 | d[karl]b | I think you dont know how to use "aside" but we'll go with it: aside from mounting up and flying there yourself :P |
| 04:13.47 | Nobgul | Arch Flight Overlay |
| 04:14.39 | Cide | Flight or Site |
| 04:14.52 | d[karl]b | Dig Nav |
| 04:15.05 | Nobgul | +1 d[karl]b |
| 04:15.14 | Cide | Love at first Flight |
| 04:15.27 | Alamak | I think that's a bit obscure too, Cide. |
| 04:15.32 | Cide | WHAT |
| 04:15.46 | d[karl]b | yeah, find me one person who loves archaeology |
| 04:15.46 | Wobin | d[karl]b: yeah, misuse of terms, aside... =P |
| 04:15.49 | Alamak | Well, maybe not obscure, but also not very informative as to what the addon will do. |
| 04:16.06 | Nobgul | Alamak, have you seen some of the addon names? |
| 04:16.10 | Alamak | Yes. |
| 04:16.17 | Wobin | Nobgul -does- have a point =P |
| 04:16.35 | Nobgul | xanmortalpastle |
| 04:16.35 | Cide | SiteMaster |
| 04:16.36 | Alamak | And many of them make me want to punch the dev(s) in the face. |
| 04:16.42 | Kraps | wow, "suck a fuck" |
| 04:16.55 | Kraps | gj donnie |
| 04:17.05 | Nobgul | might have spelled it wrong. How many people do you think knows wast a mortal and ... is |
| 04:17.10 | Wobin | d[karl]b: but if there's a digsite all the way across the continent, I'm going to use flightmasters, instead of trying to straightline it. Less effort involved |
| 04:17.32 | d[karl]b | if it's that far hearth :P |
| 04:17.36 | Alamak | pestle |
| 04:17.47 | Alamak | xanmortarpestle? |
| 04:17.52 | Nobgul | You know what i ment =P |
| 04:17.55 | Nobgul | Yer its a addon |
| 04:18.01 | Alamak | is it for alchemy? |
| 04:18.04 | Nobgul | no lol |
| 04:18.10 | Alamak | inscription? |
| 04:18.10 | d[karl]b | some addon names make no sense |
| 04:18.11 | Nobgul | for milling and prospecting gems etc |
| 04:18.21 | Nobgul | hold alt and click the gem or herb etc |
| 04:18.25 | Alamak | Inscription makes more sense now I think about it. |
| 04:19.08 | Alamak | Meh. I use bindpad and just bind my de/prospect/mill to shft+ctrl+alt+D |
| 04:19.18 | Wobin | I think DigNav covers the best of the lot so far |
| 04:19.20 | Alamak | I'd only save a keystroke |
| 04:19.38 | Xyphoid | you may as well have a keypress for each thing you mill or prospect regularly |
| 04:19.51 | Alamak | I'd either go with DigNav or ArmchairArchaeologist. |
| 04:19.55 | Xyphoid | since you can go /cast milling /use whiptail |
| 04:20.05 | Alamak | The former is more informative, the latter more amusing. |
| 04:20.08 | Wobin | oh god, whiptail is such a cutthroat herb =P |
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| 04:20.43 | Wobin | it's farmed so heavily on my server, there's usually two or three people hovering over spawn points |
| 04:21.22 | Alamak | Oh Lua tables, how I love thee. |
| 04:21.35 | mckenziemc | are there any addons that would let me mark a piece of armor as 'unwanted' so that i can tell that i've already looked at its stats, and remember to vendor it when i get a chance? |
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| 04:21.41 | Wobin | let me count the ways with 1-indexing? |
| 04:22.20 | Nobgul | mckenziemc, Kinda you can get a bag addon and create a unuseable bag and just drop it in there. |
| 04:22.22 | Alamak | for idx, reason in ipairs(WaysILoveLuaTables) do print(reason) end |
| 04:22.26 | d[karl]b | mckenziemc: get sell-o-matic(/similar) and add it to the auto sell list? :P |
| 04:22.49 | Nobgul | DigNav |
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| 04:23.19 | Alamak | Or you can get arkinv and set its type to trash |
| 04:23.38 | Alamak | And have an area to which trash is sorted. |
| 04:23.41 | Nobgul | Isnt that what i just said lol |
| 04:23.52 | Alamak | Somewhat. |
| 04:23.54 | Alamak | =) |
| 04:24.03 | Nobgul | hehe |
| 04:24.13 | Alamak | Except that ArkInventory doesn't care about what bag a thing's in. |
| 04:24.14 | d[karl]b | or DigQuest |
| 04:24.24 | Alamak | DigNav is my favorite so far. |
| 04:24.55 | Nobgul | its just a container.. |
| 04:26.28 | d[karl]b | Sitemap? |
| 04:26.39 | mckenziemc | Nobgul: i use tbag though, that's a good idea but wouldn't work in my case :( |
| 04:26.49 | mckenziemc | d[karl]b: thanks, i'll check it out, but |
| 04:27.18 | Nobgul | tbag who |
| 04:27.21 | Nobgul | =P |
| 04:27.36 | mckenziemc | it would be nice if i had a checklist where i could mark off an item, saying "I checked this for my balance set but still need to check it for my resto set" etc. |
| 04:27.39 | Nobgul | ArchyTrek |
| 04:27.44 | Nobgul | i dunno i give up =P |
| 04:27.46 | mckenziemc | lol Nobgul |
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| 04:29.39 | mckenziemc | i forgot who nobgul was responding to, but, your addon idea makes me think of a travel agency, in that you decide wehre you want to go, and they help you pick specific destinations and plan your travel. maybe extending that idea could help you find a name :p |
| 04:29.45 | mckenziemc | wobin iirc |
| 04:30.06 | d[karl]b | call it Addon That Adds Dig Sites To Your Flight Path Map |
| 04:30.22 | Nobgul | Simple Digsite Flight Map |
| 04:30.24 | Nobgul | ^^ |
| 04:30.38 | Wobin | I would, but I have a reputation to maintain |
| 04:30.43 | mckenziemc | haha |
| 04:30.43 | d[karl]b | for simplicity, it shortens to ATADSTYFPM! |
| 04:31.12 | Nobgul | Are you ever gonna update afterdark Wobin? |
| 04:31.19 | Wobin | do I need to? |
| 04:31.28 | mckenziemc | some 80 ganked me (on my 74), and i found out he was helping a lowbie with a quest nearby so i killed the lowbie in revenge :) |
| 04:31.30 | Wobin | oh for subtitles? |
| 04:31.33 | Nobgul | I think it is borked. |
| 04:31.38 | Wobin | really? hm |
| 04:31.41 | clever | mckenziemc: lol:) |
| 04:31.43 | Wobin | I'll have a look some time |
| 04:31.52 | d[karl]b | he was only 6 levels above you? why didnt you camp him? :P |
| 04:32.14 | Nobgul | WobMap |
| 04:32.15 | Nobgul | ^^ |
| 04:32.22 | d[karl]b | monitor burn-in? |
| 04:32.28 | Wobin | haha, I'm never quite that narcisisstic about addon names |
| 04:32.32 | d[karl]b | who uses plasma or crt monitors these days? |
| 04:32.33 | Nobgul | lol |
| 04:32.51 | mckenziemc | @describe afterdark |
| 04:32.53 | Repo | mckenziemc: http://www.wowace.com/addons/afterdark/. AfterDark. Artwork by Tomoya Ikeda & Igor Gasowski Original concept by Jack Eastman - Thank you for the memories... |
| 04:32.55 | Nobgul | ncArchFlightMap |
| 04:32.58 | Nobgul | Sounds good |
| 04:33.46 | Wobin | d[karl]b: It's a terrible problem with monitors nowadays! Even some of the more recent larger 17" screens can be affected! |
| 04:34.27 | Wobin | auction house idlers often end up with a naked night elf on a mailbox burnt into their screens! |
| 04:34.40 | Nobgul | lol |
| 04:34.51 | Nobgul | QuickArchFlight |
| 04:35.13 | d[karl]b | Nobgul will just keep going |
| 04:35.20 | Nobgul | Yes i will |
| 04:35.26 | Nobgul | I am that bored. |
| 04:35.43 | d[karl]b | eventually he'll come up with some really awesome name for it, but by then mankind will be extinct so we won't be hear to see it |
| 04:35.56 | d[karl]b | here* |
| 04:36.00 | d[karl]b | fail |
| 04:36.18 | Nobgul | Always love self fails |
| 04:37.08 | Wobin | hm, I think ArmchairAlchemist was one of those addons I lost in the GreatWowIPurge |
| 04:37.09 | d[karl]b | wobin why is it when i read your addon description it always takes me half an hour to find out what it actually does? :P |
| 04:37.15 | Dark_Elf | canudigitsucka |
| 04:37.16 | Wobin | d[karl]b: It's a talent =P |
| 04:37.44 | Nobgul | lol |
| 04:37.51 | d[karl]b | HomingDigeon |
| 04:38.00 | Wobin | hahah |
| 04:38.09 | Wobin | I'll pay that =P |
| 04:40.12 | Nobgul | SurveyHopper |
| 04:40.12 | Nobgul | meeh |
| 04:40.12 | d[karl]b | interesingly, MrPlow doesn't say what it does at all :P |
| 04:40.12 | Nobgul | YAFM |
| 04:40.12 | Nobgul | there u go |
| 04:40.20 | Nobgul | YAFM = Yet Another Flight Map |
| 04:40.38 | Wobin | d[karl]b: you're right, most of my users are legacy ones anyway, for that =) |
| 04:40.48 | Dark_Elf | DigiFlight |
| 04:41.23 | d[karl]b | I would not download an addon called DigiFlight if you paid me in pizzas |
| 04:41.46 | Wobin | A wild Archaology Dig appears! |
| 04:41.57 | Wobin | It casts BOREDOM! |
| 04:42.00 | Wobin | It's SUPER EFFECTIVE! |
| 04:42.02 | d[karl]b | lol |
| 04:42.48 | Dark_Elf | i just wish blizzard would add archaelogy to the profession npcs in the starter towns |
| 04:43.28 | Wobin | Dark_Elf: There's nowhere to dig in the starter towns |
| 04:43.34 | d[karl]b | I wish blizzard would fix more bugs than they introduce, but we can't all get what we want :P |
| 04:43.35 | mckenziemc | it requires level 20 |
| 04:43.37 | Wobin | especially for goblin/worgen where you can't go back |
| 04:43.56 | Wobin | d[karl]b: if they did that, they'd go backwards =P |
| 04:43.56 | mckenziemc | though ofc that could be changed too if they wanted |
| 04:43.59 | Dark_Elf | oh |
| 04:44.46 | d[karl]b | it's probably like a scam |
| 04:45.15 | d[karl]b | there's a seperate team of debuggers at blizzard, all of them friends of the devs |
| 04:45.36 | d[karl]b | the devs put bugs in and tell the debug team how to fix them |
| 04:46.02 | d[karl]b | or maybe they are the same person and they're getting 2 pay checks! |
| 04:46.22 | d[karl]b | one wears glasses like superman, and the other doesn't, like clark kent :P |
| 04:46.38 | Dark_Elf | well they need to fix alot of npcs |
| 04:46.47 | Wobin | d[karl]b: want to be identified as d[karl]b, or just Karl? |
| 04:47.55 | K_digger | I'm usually... |
| 04:47.59 | karl_w_w | :P |
| 04:48.49 | Adys | wtf |
| 04:49.14 | Dark_Elf | i wish there was an addon that told what addon was using the most fps |
| 04:49.39 | Wobin | addons don't -use- fps up...? |
| 04:49.44 | Adys | I have a lua program that generates a random number using math.random(1, 664). and it's not random :( |
| 04:49.51 | Adys | every time I run it it's 558 |
| 04:49.58 | Wobin | Adys: same seed each time? |
| 04:50.00 | karl_w_w | I need to go buy more fps |
| 04:50.06 | Dark_Elf | i dunno but it sure has dropped to 3fps |
| 04:50.07 | karl_w_w | my addons are using them up too fast |
| 04:50.09 | mckenziemc | knowing what you mean, there are -- you just take a huge performance hit by having to turn profiling on :p |
| 04:50.13 | Nobgul | LOL |
| 04:50.22 | mckenziemc | actually there are other ways of monitoring that are less intrusive, i think |
| 04:50.25 | Nobgul | just lol |
| 04:50.25 | Wobin | Adys: that could indeed be completely random, though |
| 04:50.30 | Adys | Wobin: ah yeah, have to refresh the seed |
| 04:50.36 | Adys | wow thats awkward |
| 04:50.51 | Wobin | Adys: welcome to psuedorandom generators =) |
| 04:51.11 | Adys | i don't mind, its just the lack of convenience function annoying me |
| 04:51.28 | Cide | random.randomseed(os.time()) or whatever? |
| 04:52.00 | Adys | os.time() isn't enough, i have to call the program more than once a second |
| 04:52.04 | Adys | any other idea? |
| 04:52.10 | Cide | os.clock()*100 |
| 04:52.10 | Zhinjio1 | thank you, Subway, for ruining that sugar cookie |
| 04:52.18 | Adys | sweet |
| 04:52.23 | mckenziemc | adys: you only need to seed it once |
| 04:52.29 | Cide | per program execution |
| 04:52.33 | mckenziemc | ^ |
| 04:52.40 | Cide | so read his statement again |
| 04:52.41 | karl_w_w | !api GetTime |
| 04:52.41 | lua_bot | GetTime: Returns a number representing the current time (with millisecond precision) (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetTime) |
| 04:52.42 | clever | Adys: your suppossed to seed it once at startup |
| 04:52.52 | Cide | wow you guys are minutes behind |
| 04:52.58 | clever | and then each random number scrambled the internal state |
| 04:53.07 | Wobin | there's some terrible loss of fps, I hear |
| 04:53.11 | Adys | im using math.random() once per program execution |
| 04:53.11 | clever | Adys: thats how pretty much every random number generator works |
| 04:53.14 | Dark_Elf | 1,664 why not just(664) |
| 04:53.23 | Cide | explicit is better than implicit |
| 04:53.25 | mckenziemc | oh sorry, was skim-reading |
| 04:53.34 | Cide | (664) might include zero |
| 04:53.36 | Adys | Cide: since clever isn't clever; any more idea? os.clock() doesnt work either :( |
| 04:53.37 | clever | Adys: and then completely restarting the prog several times a second? |
| 04:53.44 | Cide | why wouldn't it? |
| 04:53.55 | karl_w_w | yes, GetTime |
| 04:53.57 | Adys | because os.clock() == 0 |
| 04:54.26 | mckenziemc | GetTime isn't a standard lua function |
| 04:55.37 | Cide | Adys: do it right before you call random() |
| 04:55.47 | Cide | with a utility function |
| 04:55.55 | Adys | Cide: you misunderstand, the program doesn't even last that long |
| 04:56.07 | mckenziemc | Adys, what does your program do |
| 04:56.21 | Adys | imports a lua table and spits out a random member |
| 04:56.22 | Zhinjio1 | I used to use this: math.randomseed(GetTime()*1000) |
| 04:56.27 | Zhinjio1 | don't know if it still works. |
| 04:56.33 | Adys | [04:54:24] <mckenziemc> GetTime isn't a standard lua function |
| 04:56.46 | Zhinjio1 | for a few patches (starting in 3.1 or so) math.randomseed was removed |
| 04:56.50 | Cide | local seeded; local function myRandom(...) if not seeded then math.randomseed(os.time()+os.clock()*1000); seeded = true end return math.random(...) end |
| 04:56.51 | Zhinjio1 | sounds like its back now |
| 04:56.53 | Cide | ^ |
| 04:56.55 | mckenziemc | could you do it via standard input and output, like an interactive session? |
| 04:57.14 | mckenziemc | so that you run the program once, pass a table that way, it prints the member, then waits for more input? |
| 04:57.21 | Cide | Adys: os.clock() is in millisecond precision since program execution |
| 04:57.21 | Arrowmaster | Zhinjio1: doubt its back |
| 04:57.27 | Adys | Cide: yeah, and it's 0 |
| 04:57.37 | Cide | at the end of the program? |
| 04:57.40 | Adys | yep |
| 04:57.52 | Adys | the program is *really* fast :P |
| 04:58.24 | Zhinjio1 | yeah, confirmed. doesn't work in wow |
| 04:58.27 | Cide | then you'll want to use os.execute("something") |
| 04:58.39 | Adys | Zhinjio1: .. im not in wow |
| 04:58.42 | Cide | depending on os |
| 04:58.52 | Cide | for more precision |
| 04:59.04 | Cide | or just call it less often but have it give you several members |
| 04:59.07 | Cide | or use python |
| 04:59.28 | Wobin | can you refactor out the multicall to have the random seeding outside the loop? |
| 04:59.32 | mckenziemc | adys, does this program have to be portable across systems? if not, you could use echo in a system() call |
| 04:59.45 | Wobin | ie, seed once, call many many times each milisecond |
| 04:59.48 | mckenziemc | i forgot the exact way to do it in lua |
| 04:59.59 | Cide | welcome to |
| 05:00.00 | Cide | minutes |
| 05:00.00 | Cide | ago |
| 05:00.11 | Cide | (05:58:27) Cide: then you'll want to use os.execute("something") (05:58:40) Cide: depending on os (05:58:51) Cide: for more precision |
| 05:00.35 | Cide | do you guys not follow conversations at all or something |
| 05:00.43 | Adys | Cide: I am using python |
| 05:00.44 | Wobin | we just ignore you, Cide =) |
| 05:00.47 | mckenziemc | no, i'm going back and forth |
| 05:00.53 | mckenziemc | between irc and wow |
| 05:00.56 | Adys | this program is a bridge between python and lua |
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| 05:01.16 | Nobgul | lol is this part of the convo from yesterday. |
| 05:01.17 | Cide | Adys: so pass in a high precision time value via stdin |
| 05:01.30 | Adys | this is the program |
| 05:01.32 | Adys | require("_db") |
| 05:01.32 | Adys | print(TBL[math.random(#TBL)]) |
| 05:01.34 | Wobin | or refactor the code to not require reseeding =P |
| 05:01.44 | Adys | yeah |
| 05:01.47 | Adys | im gonna refactor 1 line |
| 05:01.52 | Adys | sounds like too much work |
| 05:01.55 | Adys | wanna do it for me? |
| 05:02.04 | Wobin | I'm not the one having problems =P |
| 05:02.22 | Adys | Cide: hacky but i guess it's the only way |
| 05:02.30 | Wobin | there's nothing wrong with refactoring one line, if that one line is causing issues due to function limitations |
| 05:03.35 | Wobin | can you not pass in an already seeded randomising object to the program? |
| 05:03.55 | Cide | it's lua :P |
| 05:04.03 | Wobin | so wrap it |
| 05:04.17 | mckenziemc | Adys: have the python script generate a random decimal in the interval [0,1) and pass that to the lua program, lua program counts the number of members and converts the decimal to an index |
| 05:04.54 | Adys | yea im just gonna pass the seed as argv |
| 05:04.55 | mckenziemc | i should say float, since i'm in computer land :O |
| 05:04.55 | Cide | good plan |
| 05:05.07 | Cide | (06:01:15) Cide: Adys: so pass in a high precision time value via stdin |
| 05:05.11 | Cide | now rtfc |
| 05:05.53 | mckenziemc | but cide, you were referring to using it as a seed, were you not? |
| 05:05.59 | mckenziemc | to random |
| 05:06.16 | Cide | yes |
| 05:06.24 | mckenziemc | thats' not what i'm saying :p |
| 05:06.27 | Cide | which is preferable to your method |
| 05:06.33 | mckenziemc | how so |
| 05:07.14 | mckenziemc | technically by doing it loses the pseudorandom property |
| 05:07.26 | mckenziemc | doing that* |
| 05:07.31 | Adys | i dont give a testicle about randomness |
| 05:07.37 | Adys | i just want a different result every few ms |
| 05:07.57 | Cide | easier to guarantee correctness and randomness, and your version requires reading a potentially arbitrary number of characters in order to establish a proper distribution across thousands of entries in the table |
| 05:07.58 | karl_w_w | there's very little that very few people would give a testicle over |
| 05:08.52 | Cide | say you have 500k entries; you would need much larger precision in the float in order to get each one equally likely compared to a table with 5k entries, whereas for the seed version you only need constant precision |
| 05:09.09 | mckenziemc | ok, it might be preferable in the case of large tables |
| 05:09.22 | mckenziemc | but small tables, not really |
| 05:09.54 | Cide | in small tables it's more or less the same but you still require the input to be random to generate random numbers |
| 05:10.13 | mckenziemc | the float would be randomly generated from python |
| 05:10.16 | Cide | if you would use for instance math.randomseed(os.time()+stdin) you would get that regardless of stdin's randomness |
| 05:11.25 | Cide | also I think it's easier to guarantee a good distribution across integers than floats, but I could be wrong |
| 05:12.02 | clever | Adys: you could also do what linux does, save a 'random' number to a file at shutdown and use it as a seed on the next bootup |
| 05:12.27 | Adys | im just passing it as argv |
| 05:12.31 | Adys | problem long fixed |
| 05:18.23 | karl_w_w | any1 wanna do my raiding for me today, i cbf |
| 05:19.17 | mckenziemc | Cide, wouldn't passing a high precision value based on the time, to be used as a seed to random, actually be bad practice? (at this point i'm asking for my own education) |
| 05:19.32 | Cide | naturally |
| 05:19.50 | Cide | if lua wasn't awful there'd be a native function for high precision time |
| 05:19.59 | mckenziemc | since in that case, the 'random number' generator is really just mapping times to starting values, which has no guarantee of being random |
| 05:20.15 | Cide | the same is true of all pseudo rng's |
| 05:20.32 | Cide | given the initial state you can retrieve all "random" numbers forever |
| 05:20.36 | mckenziemc | yes, but they are actually designed to 'look' random, whereas the seeding method may not be |
| 05:20.43 | Cide | you always seed RNG's |
| 05:20.49 | mckenziemc | i realize |
| 05:20.53 | Adys | Cide: is there a way in python to change working directory? |
| 05:20.56 | Cide | they are designed to give a random distribution of numbers, not to "look" random |
| 05:21.04 | mckenziemc | Adys: os.chdir |
| 05:21.08 | Adys | thanks |
| 05:22.54 | mckenziemc | oops i left an important part of my question out (and based on your response, you may not have noticed and thought i was asking something else) |
| 05:23.21 | mckenziemc | i meant, repeatedly seeding the rng that way, and getting generating one value each time |
| 05:23.34 | Cide | you always generate it once |
| 05:23.40 | Cide | err |
| 05:23.42 | Cide | you always seed it once |
| 05:23.55 | mckenziemc | yeah |
| 05:24.25 | Cide | better languages than lua have capabilities to retrieve the state of the RNG so that you can restore it properly |
| 05:24.26 | mckenziemc | the question is if seeding it multiple types would not only be necessary, but also destructive to the purpose |
| 05:24.36 | Cide | it would be |
| 05:24.37 | mckenziemc | unnecessary* |
| 05:24.47 | Cide | but adys is executing the program and generating one random value |
| 05:24.54 | Cide | and unless he seeds it he will get the same value |
| 05:25.00 | Cide | so he must seed it every time |
| 05:25.02 | mckenziemc | man i need to read what i type more |
| 05:25.19 | mckenziemc | yeah |
| 05:25.30 | Cide | but it would be better if he could store and restore the state of the RNG so that he could seed it once and reuse the same state in another call |
| 05:25.35 | Cide | python allows for this for instance |
| 05:25.43 | clever | Cide: you dont always need the internal state to restore it properly, if you dont care about reproduction, you can just ask it for a random number, and then seed with that next time |
| 05:26.12 | Cide | that's also deterministic given only one initial value |
| 05:26.18 | Cide | but that'd work yeah |
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| 05:28.54 | Zhinjio | tekkub: heya |
| 05:31.34 | mckenziemc | heh |
| 05:31.39 | mckenziemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:31.59 | mckenziemc | there's a bad pun somewhere in there |
| 05:35.05 | Adys | mckenziemc: not nearly bad enough of a pun to dump her |
| 05:35.08 | Alamak | Man. |
| 05:35.39 | Alamak | I just realised I'm going to end up rewriting the guts of my addon. |
| 05:35.51 | Alamak | I don't HAVE to, BUT |
| 05:36.19 | Alamak | If I do, it'll not only be more efficient, it'll also be much less complicated. |
| 05:36.23 | Alamak | Thoughts? |
| 05:36.40 | Zhinjio | will the user experience improve? |
| 05:36.41 | Nobgul | umm |
| 05:36.43 | mckenziemc | that's usually a good idea :p |
| 05:36.43 | Adys | rewrite it |
| 05:36.48 | Iriel | Committ he current version to source control - make a branch 8-) |
| 05:36.50 | Alamak | At the moment, the data structure looks like this: (each item is a table. |
| 05:36.57 | Nobgul | so |
| 05:37.03 | Adys | rewrite it. |
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| 05:37.30 | Addybot | That's amazing... such an even number. |
| 05:37.50 | mckenziemc | slaps Addybot around a bit with Adys |
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| 05:37.57 | Adys | too late! |
| 05:38.13 | mckenziemc | 's attack misses |
| 05:39.07 | Alamak | (Roster base table; flag entries)--> (squad table; flags) --> (Member table; character variables)(Member table; character variables)(Member table; character variables)(Member table; character variables) |
| 05:39.56 | Alamak | In the end it'll look like this: (Roster base table; flags) --> (Member table; character variables)(Member table; character variables)(Member table; character variables)... |
| 05:40.15 | Nobgul | so? |
| 05:40.20 | Alamak | (squad table; flags)-->(reference to member table)(reference to member table)(reference to member table)(reference to member table) |
| 05:40.34 | Alamak | Not a major leap when looked at that way |
| 05:40.36 | Alamak | BUT |
| 05:40.45 | Alamak | The data passing gets a LOT less complicated. |
| 05:40.56 | Nobgul | your ocd feels better. its ok we understand |
| 05:41.14 | Alamak | Instead of passing full tables with other tables in them, I can just pass references. |
| 05:41.31 | Nobgul | same stuff diff day |
| 05:41.32 | Iriel | Alamak: if I were in your shoes, i'd do the refactor.. But then I find refactoring for simplicity very calming and therapeutic |
| 05:41.45 | Adys | Iriel's right |
| 05:41.46 | Alamak | So instead of a string that looks like this for a character: Alamak:DRUID:85:cpt:otherflags:etc |
| 05:41.49 | Adys | refactoring is awesome |
| 05:42.06 | Alamak | It'd look like this: Alamak:1:3 |
| 05:42.19 | Iriel | BUT, use source control, dont be afraid to give up if you discover you were mistaken that it'd be better. |
| 05:42.35 | Zhinjio | ^^ |
| 05:42.35 | Iriel | not that that happens very often |
| 05:42.44 | Iriel | but when it does... just let it go 8-) |
| 05:42.54 | Nobgul | hehe good tip Iriel |
| 05:43.12 | Alamak | A single character string would be at MOST 19 characters long for every transmission past the first in which the character's table is initially set. |
| 05:43.46 | Alamak | Less data transmission overhead AND less overhead from creating/deleting tables. |
| 05:44.29 | Alamak | I accidentally discovered that table1=table2 just makes table1 reference table2's ID |
| 05:45.22 | mckenziemc | heh |
| 05:46.18 | Alamak | I then discovered, as an aside, that so long as there's still a reference to that table ID, it doesn't get flagged for garbage collection. |
| 05:46.41 | Iriel | These 'discoveries' - really you probably should have known already 8-) |
| 05:46.48 | mckenziemc | well there's weak references, but yeah :p |
| 05:46.49 | Iriel | And that is how garbage collection works, everywhere |
| 05:47.04 | Alamak | I only started learning lua last week. Cut me some slack. =) |
| 05:47.16 | mckenziemc | lol |
| 05:47.43 | Iriel | I guess they just seem like fundamental language features, that's all 8-) Use of the word "discovery" amused me. |
| 05:47.47 | Zhinjio | NO SLACK! slack is for losers. diaf! |
| 05:47.49 | Zhinjio | oh sorry |
| 05:47.59 | Zhinjio | was channelling someone else there for a minute |
| 05:48.04 | Zhinjio | no need to mention names |
| 05:48.25 | Adys | were you channeling me? |
| 05:48.30 | Adys | were you channeling me WITHOUT MY PERMISSION? |
| 05:48.32 | Adys | DIAF |
| 05:48.37 | Zhinjio | har |
| 05:48.51 | Zhinjio | I'm not certain. It felt warm and kind of sqooshy |
| 05:48.59 | Alamak | I'm still discovering fundamental language features on a regular basis. =) |
| 05:49.00 | Zhinjio | not in necessarily a bad way |
| 05:49.01 | Alamak | It's fun. |
| 05:49.18 | Alamak | I wrote my first anonymous function two days ago. |
| 05:49.52 | Iriel | tries to think of other useful fundamentals... |
| 05:50.03 | Adys | check out the cool if/then/else stuff |
| 05:50.14 | Iriel | Only nil and false evaluate to false in a boolean expression.... all strings are interned.... |
| 05:50.36 | Alamak | interned? |
| 05:50.48 | Iriel | The expression (X and Y) return X if X is false or nil, otherwise Y.. (X or Y) return X unless it is nil or false, Y otherwise. |
| 05:50.57 | Iriel | All strings with the same value reference the same object |
| 05:51.21 | Kraps | i'm still in the middle of this movie, donnie seems like a nice kid but a little rusty in the brainpan |
| 05:51.23 | Zhinjio | ooo, gmatch |
| 05:51.29 | Zhinjio | go play with patterns |
| 05:51.33 | Zhinjio | giggles insanely |
| 05:51.51 | Alamak | so, a="foo"; b="foo"; (a==b) -> true |
| 05:51.57 | Iriel | So if you have a table with 10,000 entries, but all entries are the same text for the declaration of independence, there's only one copy of the string (not 10,000) -- that said you still have 10,000 table entries 8-) |
| 05:52.17 | Alamak | And each entry is a reference to the same string object. |
| 05:52.33 | Iriel | yes |
| 05:52.53 | Alamak | I haven't needed to do much work with patterns yet, thankfully. |
| 05:53.10 | Adys | patterns are "fun" in lua |
| 05:53.16 | Alamak | BAHAA |
| 05:53.20 | Alamak | LIAR |
| 05:53.25 | Iriel | metatables are fun, i wont try explainig those now tho |
| 05:53.30 | Adys | they're more fun than regex |
| 05:53.36 | Zhinjio | fun, being in quotes, can be interepreted however you see fit |
| 05:53.40 | Adys | well |
| 05:53.44 | Adys | its both a good and bad thing |
| 05:54.01 | Adys | i hate "fake regex" engines, but then again lua's is pretty decent |
| 05:54.03 | Iriel | oh, another fundamental..... blah = X:method(something) is roughly equivalent to blah = X.method(X, something) |
| 05:54.03 | Alamak | I've got the Wow Programming Guide, which has a pretty healthy section on metatables. |
| 05:54.07 | mckenziemc | oh, another interesting 'feature' of lua |
| 05:54.13 | mckenziemc | lua> fisker == adys |
| 05:54.14 | lua_bot | mckenziemc: true |
| 05:55.37 | Alamak | also blah = function(args) is equivalent to function blah(args) |
| 05:55.44 | mckenziemc | lua> true == false == true == false |
| 05:55.44 | lua_bot | mckenziemc: true |
| 05:56.04 | Alamak | lol |
| 05:56.30 | Alamak | I thoroughly enjoy the mayhem that can ensue when stringing booleans together |
| 05:56.44 | Iriel | Alamak: and local function blah(args) is equivalent to local blah; blah = function(args) and NOT local blah = function(args) |
| 05:57.03 | Alamak | wait, what? |
| 05:57.17 | mckenziemc | the difference shows when you use recursion |
| 05:57.45 | Alamak | And here is where I REALLY show my noobliness: recursion? |
| 05:57.51 | Iriel | functions calling themselves |
| 05:57.52 | Zhinjio | oh noes |
| 05:57.55 | Alamak | orite |
| 05:57.59 | Alamak | i knew that. |
| 05:58.11 | Alamak | So wait. |
| 05:58.43 | Alamak | I still don't see the logical difference. |
| 05:58.59 | mckenziemc | lua> local f = function(v) if v==1 return 1 else return v*f(v-1) end end; f(7) |
| 05:58.59 | lua_bot | mckenziemc: luabot:1: 'then' expected near 'return' |
| 05:59.01 | Iriel | in local blah; blah = function(args), use of blah within the function refers to the new local. |
| 05:59.07 | mckenziemc | woopsie |
| 05:59.22 | Iriel | whereas in local blah = function(args), use of blah within the function refers to whatever blah was previously, because during the function the local expression hasn't completed yet. |
| 05:59.45 | Alamak | ah |
| 06:00.37 | Alamak | which is why you CAN nest for loops with the same variables, i.e. for idx, value in ipairs(table) do; for idx, value in ipairs(table[idx]) do etc. |
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| 06:01.03 | Alamak | Although, if you care at all on the inner for loop what the index was of the outer for loop, you most definitely cannot do that. |
| 06:03.05 | Alamak | so, if you do local function blah(args) or either local blah; blah = function(args), if the function calls itself, it's still the same function, right? |
| 06:03.25 | Iriel | No, int he first case it can't call itself |
| 06:03.37 | Iriel | Oh, sorry |
| 06:03.38 | Iriel | yes |
| 06:03.41 | Iriel | I misread 8-) |
| 06:03.56 | Alamak | local blah = function(args) can't |
| 06:03.56 | Iriel | The case where it doesn't work is local blah = function(args) |
| 06:03.58 | Iriel | Right |
| 06:04.08 | Iriel | Because blah only means function(args) AFTER the end of the function definition |
| 06:04.15 | Alamak | but |
| 06:04.20 | Iriel | very very occasionally that's something you might actually want |
| 06:04.23 | Iriel | but usually it's not. |
| 06:04.37 | Alamak | can you just call blah() in the latter case? |
| 06:04.53 | Iriel | no, because it's local |
| 06:04.58 | Iriel | so it's lexically scoped... |
| 06:05.07 | Alamak | ah. |
| 06:05.32 | Iriel | if you do call blah you get whatever blah was before the function was defined |
| 06:06.23 | Alamak | So, even though the function call is within the scope that a local variable COULD be called, it can't be called because the definition isn't settled. |
| 06:07.21 | Alamak | Which means, assuming you haven't settled blah yet, it will be trying to call a function and instead get nil |
| 06:07.27 | Iriel | no |
| 06:07.30 | Alamak | no? |
| 06:07.37 | Alamak | Rats. |
| 06:07.48 | Iriel | It's not that blah hasn't been assigned yet |
| 06:07.58 | Iriel | it's that the blah doesn't exist as that local yet. |
| 06:09.27 | Iriel | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/146051 |
| 06:09.29 | Iriel | Consider that |
| 06:09.55 | Alamak | To make sure I understand, local foo = "bar"; function somefunction() print(foo) end would print "bar" because the function can 'see' foo |
| 06:09.56 | Iriel | blah(0) would return "potato", but blah(1) returns "cheese" |
| 06:10.09 | Iriel | yes |
| 06:10.40 | Zhinjio | UNTRAWEB! |
| 06:10.47 | Iriel | In fact, if somefunction modified foo, then foo would become an UPVALUE. |
| 06:10.51 | Zhinjio | I just found an old blog post of mine, and I had completely forgotten that word. |
| 06:10.53 | Zhinjio | I love it |
| 06:12.45 | Alamak | UPVALUE, you say? The outsde foo is the upvalue? |
| 06:12.59 | Iriel | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/146052 |
| 06:13.01 | Alamak | meaning it's hierarchicly(sp?) higher up? |
| 06:13.01 | batbot | Alamak, my best guesses are hierarchic+ly. |
| 06:13.01 | Zhinjio | omg. you went there, didn't you |
| 06:13.07 | Zhinjio | next you're going to try and explain memoization |
| 06:13.35 | Iriel | an upvalue is a local from an enclosing scope which is lifted up into a garbage collected value, rather than remaining a local |
| 06:13.53 | Iriel | I'm not sure whether UPVALUE came about because it's in an outer scope, or because it's promoted to a not-local. |
| 06:13.58 | Iriel | I've always assumed it's the latter |
| 06:14.08 | Kraps | just finished donny darko |
| 06:14.11 | Kraps | like wtf |
| 06:14.18 | Iriel | Kraps: odd little movie that |
| 06:15.44 | Kraps | i guess he sacrificed himself for his family? |
| 06:16.16 | Kraps | if the whole thing is not just in his head |
| 06:16.40 | Alamak | hrm |
| 06:17.13 | Alamak | So, in your example, SetValue(n) and GetValue() are both able to access and manipulate value. |
| 06:17.19 | Alamak | oeait |
| 06:17.21 | Alamak | *owait |
| 06:17.23 | Alamak | Maybe not. |
| 06:17.40 | Alamak | Doing this in console doesn't work. lol |
| 06:17.42 | Iriel | Right, they are,.. furthermore, both SetValue and GetValue are global |
| 06:17.53 | Iriel | (no, console doesn't work, put them in a file) |
| 06:18.06 | Iriel | but they access the "hidden" local value |
| 06:18.06 | Alamak | Yep. Doin that. =) |
| 06:18.31 | Iriel | lua -i somefile.lua |
| 06:18.33 | Iriel | is your friend |
| 06:18.40 | mckenziemc | if you put everything in a do block the console should work |
| 06:19.00 | Iriel | mckenziemc: good suggestion |
| 06:19.34 | mckenziemc | problem is that locals don't get preserved between entries in the console |
| 06:20.12 | Alamak | So, then, using locals in lua is approximately like using locals in java classes. |
| 06:20.22 | Alamak | You can have public functions that access local variables. |
| 06:20.43 | Iriel | kinda sorta |
| 06:20.48 | Iriel | for now, i'll just say "yes" |
| 06:20.51 | Alamak | But you can't access local fields from outside that class. |
| 06:21.22 | Alamak | So, let's say you have a recursive function that sets a local variable. |
| 06:21.53 | Iriel | Where is the variable DECLARED local? Inside the function? |
| 06:21.58 | Alamak | yes |
| 06:22.05 | Iriel | Ok |
| 06:22.21 | Alamak | It is then impossible to access the "outer" iteration of that variable, correct? |
| 06:22.27 | Iriel | Right |
| 06:22.32 | Iriel | (Well, unless it was global) |
| 06:22.34 | Alamak | for example, a recursive for loop that uses the same variable names. |
| 06:22.39 | Iriel | (in which case you could just do _G.variablename |
| 06:22.58 | Alamak | *nested for loo |
| 06:23.01 | Alamak | *loop |
| 06:23.29 | mckenziemc | yes, though there's what iriel said, plus if you needed to acess the 'higher ups' you could utilize tables |
| 06:23.30 | Alamak | for foo, bar in pairs(table) do for foo, bar in pairs(table) somefunctioncall() end end |
| 06:23.51 | Alamak | pretend there was a second do |
| 06:24.09 | Iriel | Well, no code there uses either loop variable |
| 06:24.29 | Alamak | Let's pretend there is code in there that does. =) |
| 06:24.36 | Iriel | ok 8-) |
| 06:24.47 | Iriel | Then the inner code can't ever get to the outer foo |
| 06:24.53 | Alamak | There's no way, though, inside the inner loop to access the outer one since you've already declared the same variable name as local inside. |
| 06:24.55 | Iriel | which is I think the point you were trying to make |
| 06:24.58 | Alamak | Right. |
| 06:25.13 | Alamak | I've been wondering if there was some magic that allowed for that. |
| 06:25.26 | Iriel | Here's where lua locals behave a bit differently than java: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/146053 |
| 06:25.38 | Iriel | (thus the "kinda sorta") |
| 06:25.57 | Alamak | Thus far, the only time I've declared a local inside a recursive function, the function doesn't need the outer value. |
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| 06:27.13 | mckenziemc | ~fiskerslap bluspacecow |
| 06:27.13 | purl | ACTION slaps bluspacecow around a bit with Fisker. |
| 06:27.19 | bluspacecow | \o |
| 06:27.28 | Shirik | sent his lens to Canon today :( |
| 06:27.50 | Iriel | Shirik: busted? |
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| 06:28.00 | Shirik | My dad dropped it |
| 06:28.08 | Iriel | Uh oh. |
| 06:28.19 | Iriel | I had to have a lens repaired once, came back in perfect working order |
| 06:28.26 | Iriel | (Tamron, not canon, mind you) |
| 06:28.27 | Shirik | The lens cap can't be removed and I can hear glass inside, but it looks like it's only the UV filter that broke which is a good thing if that's true |
| 06:28.41 | Shirik | The telephoto and focus seem to move smoothly which makes me think the internals are OK |
| 06:28.47 | Alamak | so... |
| 06:28.51 | Shirik | but I think the front element will have to be replaced because it's probably heavily scratched |
| 06:28.51 | Iriel | no nasty grinding noise? |
| 06:28.54 | Shirik | no |
| 06:29.09 | Alamak | in your example, the return doesn't seem to make it out of the function. |
| 06:29.15 | Shirik | but I can't even get the lens cap off to do basic investigation |
| 06:29.17 | Shirik | it's really jammed in there |
| 06:29.22 | Alamak | since it's within a function. |
| 06:29.38 | Alamak | owait. |
| 06:29.40 | Iriel | Alamak: do this from your command line... |
| 06:29.46 | Alamak | the function is returned. |
| 06:29.48 | Alamak | durp |
| 06:29.51 | Iriel | A = MakeCounter() B = MakeCounter() |
| 06:29.55 | Iriel | print(A()) |
| 06:30.01 | Iriel | print(B()) |
| 06:30.04 | Iriel | print(A()) |
| 06:30.06 | Iriel | print(B()) |
| 06:30.17 | Iriel | you'll see what it does then |
| 06:30.29 | Iriel | (And apologies to everyone else for the spam) |
| 06:30.48 | bluspacecow | for that infraction we demand donuts |
| 06:30.54 | bluspacecow | personally delivered |
| 06:31.01 | Iriel | I shall think about donuts for you. |
| 06:31.06 | bluspacecow | :) |
| 06:31.10 | Iriel | And I've personally delivered the thought. |
| 06:31.12 | Alamak | oh |
| 06:31.24 | Alamak | I see. |
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| 06:31.37 | Alamak | Each function gets its own count |
| 06:31.52 | Alamak | Well, A() and B() have separate counts. |
| 06:31.53 | Alamak | BUT |
| 06:32.03 | Alamak | They're separate instances of the function. |
| 06:32.31 | Iriel | They're separate closures, with the same prototype. |
| 06:32.53 | Alamak | In java, each instance of a class has its own instance of a given local field. |
| 06:32.54 | Alamak | BUT |
| 06:33.38 | Alamak | then again java doesn't really do separate instances of methods, except when those methods are part of different instances of the same class, and even still I think they may have the same address. |
| 06:33.53 | Iriel | Well, java is just different |
| 06:34.03 | Iriel | since it deals with object instances, not function instances |
| 06:34.07 | Alamak | Lua is a functional language whereas java is not. |
| 06:34.12 | Iriel | Err, no. |
| 06:34.14 | Iriel | lua is not functional |
| 06:34.20 | Alamak | It isn't? |
| 06:34.22 | Alamak | I was told it was. |
| 06:34.23 | Iriel | not in any strict sense of the word, anyway |
| 06:34.35 | Alamak | I retract my statement. |
| 06:34.36 | Iriel | Haskell is functional |
| 06:34.37 | Iriel | 8-) |
| 06:34.41 | Iriel | They're just different. |
| 06:34.48 | Iriel | Lua refuses to be stereotyped 8-) |
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| 06:35.09 | Alamak | I like that Lua is less militant about OOP |
| 06:35.24 | mckenziemc | i don't |
| 06:35.25 | mckenziemc | :O |
| 06:35.26 | Alamak | You can use it for OOP. Or not. |
| 06:35.34 | Alamak | I like that. |
| 06:35.47 | mckenziemc | well, the basic features of OOP |
| 06:36.04 | mckenziemc | anything beyond that gets rediculously complicated |
| 06:36.18 | Alamak | Also, I'm really bummed that mIRC doesn't let you use the trial version for eternity in the newer versions. |
| 06:36.25 | Alamak | leafChat is just not the same. |
| 06:36.40 | mckenziemc | which is fine, it still works. i just have to handle things differently |
| 06:36.59 | Alamak | I like that I have to jump through less hoops to get the results I want. |
| 06:37.43 | Iriel | At a certain level language comparisons between Lua and Java are sort of pointless |
| 06:37.51 | Iriel | they're solving entirely different problems |
| 06:37.56 | Iriel | I like both of the languages a lot |
| 06:38.03 | Alamak | As do I. |
| 06:38.14 | Alamak | I currently like Lua slightly better. |
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| 06:38.35 | Alamak | I haven't really encountered a time in which I need to have a separate instance of a function. |
| 06:38.46 | Alamak | Well, actually, I kind of have. |
| 06:38.58 | Alamak | But only sort of. |
| 06:39.14 | Alamak | I have a table that's essentially a function queue. |
| 06:39.25 | Alamak | Other functions add functions to the queue. |
| 06:39.37 | mckenziemc | well, as long as a language is turing complete, you can find _some_ way to do what you need to do |
| 06:40.10 | Arrowmaster | next time i decide to pull out a GuitarHero game and jump right into a song on expert, somebody please stop me |
| 06:40.11 | Alamak | Mostly it's so I can have a message queue that can also be a roster commit queue that can also be a something else queue. |
| 06:40.51 | Alamak | Although, really, it's just a message queue that can send messages of varying types using varying function calls to do so. |
| 06:41.11 | Kraps | i love kids in old movies, they overact so much |
| 06:41.21 | Alamak | True. |
| 06:41.47 | Kraps | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074968/ is great |
| 06:44.16 | Alamak | My ony complaint about wowuidev.pastey.net is that the line numbers get in the way of pasting directly into a page and executing. |
| 06:44.34 | Alamak | I mean, I can toggle them, but I have to toggle them. |
| 06:44.45 | Alamak | =) |
| 06:45.26 | Adys | Urgh |
| 06:45.46 | Adys | why isn't this qtimer working =( |
| 06:46.09 | Alamak | Hiow long's the expiration on wowuidev pastey? |
| 06:48.37 | Arrowmaster | they dont expire |
| 06:50.50 | Adys | Arrowmaster: you're doing it wrong |
| 06:51.04 | Arrowmaster | ? |
| 06:51.08 | Adys | <dramatic music> They don't expire. Ever. |
| 06:51.10 | Adys | (dum dum dum) |
| 06:53.21 | bluspacecow | hai2u adys |
| 06:53.21 | Adys | why hello |
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| 06:57.44 | mckenziemc | slaps Adys around with MISSINGNO. |
| 06:58.19 | Adys | okay |
| 06:58.36 | mckenziemc | :( |
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| 07:03.40 | Shirik | I have decided I have no idea why my mom's company exists |
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| 07:05.18 | Iriel | what company is that? |
| 07:05.51 | Shirik | FINRA, a regulatory agency for brokerage firms, etc. |
| 07:06.10 | Shirik | But it's not a government agency |
| 07:06.24 | Shirik | so they can't actually impose any force unless you're a member |
| 07:06.29 | Shirik | so I'm sitting here like "why would you be a member" |
| 07:06.40 | Iriel | Ah, that's easy |
| 07:06.58 | Iriel | it exists so that those companies can say "We're already regulated, so you dont need to pass any government regulations" |
| 07:06.59 | Shirik | For example, from Wikipedia: |
| 07:07.00 | Shirik | The Maximum sales load under the Investment Company Act of 1940 is 9%. The maximum sales load under NASD Rules is 8 1/2%. [5] |
| 07:07.11 | Shirik | (FINRA was formerly NASD) |
| 07:08.47 | Shirik | I guess |
| 07:09.23 | mckenziemc | ~wiki sales load |
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| 07:11.14 | mckenziemc | Shirik |
| 07:11.21 | mckenziemc | i have no idea why i exist |
| 07:18.51 | Adys | cbreak, poke |
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| 07:33.04 | mckenziemc | if i had an account on wowwiki before the exodus, would my account have been copied to wowpedia or do i have to make a new acc |
| 07:33.51 | Trela | Copied. However, you will have to log in on the new site to authenticate it. |
| 07:35.01 | mckenziemc | hmm, i tried and it said there was no account with the name (and i'm pretty sure i used this name on wowwiki) |
| 07:35.17 | mckenziemc | actually i guess i can check that by trying to sign in to wowwiki >.> |
| 08:01.55 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 08:02.03 | Shirik | no u |
| 08:02.12 | Fisker | YES ME |
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| 08:11.47 | Fisker | what can you do Shirik ? |
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| 08:18.27 | Addybot | I wouldn't want me shaking my fist at an outrageous story inadvertently reformatting my hard drive. |
| 08:18.51 | Adys | Addybot is going to stay here for 24 hours and learn a bit |
| 08:18.53 | Adys | he'll be nice :P |
| 08:18.58 | Fisker | i hate bots |
| 08:19.18 | Adys | i can make him rape you |
| 08:19.42 | Fisker | i wish |
| 08:20.13 | mckenziemc | ~fiskerslap addybot |
| 08:20.13 | purl | ACTION slaps addybot around a bit with Fisker. |
| 08:23.51 | Fisker | NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 08:23.55 | Fisker | i almost had it! |
| 08:24.10 | Fisker | my authenticator code was 444474 |
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| 08:26.06 | mckenziemc | reverse-engineers the serial number of Fisker's authenticator |
| 08:26.21 | ccox | now just give us the next 2 numbers from the authenticator... |
| 08:28.03 | Adys | mckenziemc: highly unlikely |
| 08:28.34 | mckenziemc | fisker, i've narrowed your SN down to one of 10000 values! |
| 08:29.21 | Fisker | the serial number isn't the secret lol |
| 08:30.17 | mckenziemc | serial number determines the sequence |
| 08:31.58 | Adys | No. |
| 08:32.08 | Adys | the secrets are assigned pseudo-randomly |
| 08:32.29 | mckenziemc | ? |
| 08:32.44 | Adys | the serial numbers are just the ids to the secret |
| 08:33.01 | mckenziemc | i was being facetious, but now you've got me curious |
| 08:33.09 | mckenziemc | please define 'secret' |
| 08:34.08 | Adys | had to recalculate; knowing the code for a specific time gives you one chance out of 14615016373309029182036848327162830196559 to figure out the full secret |
| 08:34.51 | Adys | assuming you can easily reverse engineer it. which until someone comes up with a good algorithm for it, means "having a super computer, with a totally new meaning put into the word super" |
| 08:36.20 | Adys | assuming -180 -> +180 seconds margin for the code, that's... |
| 08:36.40 | mckenziemc | i thought you could get a program that would give the same numbers as an authenticator, given just the SN |
| 08:36.59 | Adys | roughly one chance out of 526140589439125050553326539777861887076135715471000 picking out the right secret with a single authenticator code |
| 08:36.59 | mckenziemc | (ofc that doesn't elimate the super-computer necessity) |
| 08:37.17 | Adys | and thats 8 digit; 6 digit would be a lot harder |
| 08:37.32 | mckenziemc | half that adys, Fisker couldn't have posted the number before it was created |
| 08:37.43 | Adys | why not? |
| 08:37.48 | Adys | the auth clock just has to be a little off |
| 08:38.52 | mckenziemc | but if you're going to consider that, you'd have to adjust the algorithm to consider drift both ways :p |
| 08:39.01 | Adys | i have |
| 08:39.23 | Adys | anyway; serial numbers are meaningless in the algorithm. they're keys to a 40-hexdigit secret number which is used in the creation of the authentication code |
| 08:39.48 | Adys | only necessary in order to first link an authenticator with its secret when you activate it |
| 08:39.59 | mckenziemc | (12:36:35 AM) mckenziemc: i thought you could get a program that would give the same numbers as an authenticator, given just the SN |
| 08:40.03 | mckenziemc | ^ so thats' wrong? |
| 08:40.26 | Adys | without blizzard db access, it's wrong |
| 08:40.35 | mckenziemc | ah |
| 08:40.41 | Adys | what you may have misunderstood as Serial Number would be Secret Number |
| 08:41.01 | mckenziemc | perhaps |
| 08:41.08 | Adys | which is impossible to get without deactivating a physical authenticator, and near-impossible to get on mobile authenticators |
| 08:41.15 | Adys | (only rooted phones) |
| 08:41.27 | Adys | (and then some; it's still no easy task) |
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| 08:41.45 | Shirik | steals Adys's SN |
| 08:41.53 | Adys | you can't possibly do that |
| 08:41.55 | Shirik | I have a core constructed tournament tomorrow |
| 08:41.58 | Shirik | I'm going to fail miserably |
| 08:42.08 | Shirik | I still don't know what cards I want to play |
| 08:42.47 | Adys | mckenziemc: your chances of getting the correct secret number however increase exponentially if you get more authentication codes |
| 08:42.56 | mckenziemc | yeah |
| 08:43.00 | Adys | if you assume the user's clock isn't drifting, it's even higher |
| 08:43.14 | Shirik | I'll drift your clock |
| 08:43.43 | Fisker | Adys |
| 08:43.54 | Fisker | Antiarc's mobile authenticator allows you to backup the secret |
| 08:44.10 | Fisker | might be that he's referring to |
| 08:44.14 | Adys | im talking about the official mobile authenticators, obviously |
| 08:44.29 | Adys | yeah, if you have the secret, you have the authenticator |
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| 08:44.39 | Adys | you dont need anything else |
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| 08:45.08 | mckenziemc | you need the secret+time->code algorithm :p |
| 08:45.27 | mckenziemc | oh i suppose you mean that's easily available |
| 08:46.14 | Adys | you don't need the time as it's publicly available from blizzard |
| 08:46.27 | Shirik | Some people where I work have multiple private keys for encryption/authentication |
| 08:46.30 | Adys | as for the algo, see mckenziemc: for the bna implementation, see https://github.com/Adys/python-bna/blob/master/bna.py |
| 08:46.37 | Shirik | IT released an update thursday which broke everything for them |
| 08:46.48 | Shirik | If you had only one private key on multiple computers (the wrong thing to do) you were OK |
| 08:47.02 | Shirik | If you did it right, you were locked out |
| 08:48.22 | mckenziemc | 'secret+time->code' was one piece, not 3 :p |
| 08:49.13 | Adys | .. huh? |
| 08:49.17 | karl_w_w | does the game save up all the events that fire while you're reloading ui and spam u with them when u get back? |
| 08:49.22 | Adys | only the secret is a variable |
| 08:49.28 | Adys | the rest is always the same |
| 08:49.58 | Shirik | karl_w_w: I think it would have to |
| 08:50.02 | Shirik | because you don't miss chat events, etc. |
| 08:50.16 | Shirik | I've never tested it for combat but I suspect it's the same |
| 08:50.33 | mckenziemc | karl_w_w: yes |
| 08:50.58 | Adys | if you want someone's authenticator, get the secret and you're done |
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| 08:51.40 | Shirik | (00:49:32) (chzzeggbot)        (Astronomy) What is the meaning of the name of the constellation Cassiopeia ? |
| 08:51.43 | mckenziemc | Adys: sorry for the confusion. i was trying to say 'you need the algorithm that takes the secret and time and spits out a code' |
| 08:51.49 | Shirik | (00:51:20) (chzzeggbot) {MoxQuizz} Shirik solved after 1 minute 48 seconds and now has <3> points (+1) on rank 1. |
| 08:51.50 | Shirik | (00:51:21) (chzzeggbot)        The answer was: Cassiopeia |
| 08:51.59 | mckenziemc | wat |
| 08:52.33 | Adys | mckenziemc: yes, i just linked you that algorithm.. |
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| 08:52.40 | mckenziemc | yeah |
| 08:52.48 | mckenziemc | hence 'was' >.> |
| 08:52.56 | Adys | https://github.com/Adys/python-bna/blob/master/bna.py#L86 |
| 08:53.03 | mckenziemc | <.< |
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| 09:03.04 | Keyboard|AFC | hi |
| 09:03.14 | Keyboard|AFC | has anyone seen my Cairenn? |
| 09:03.29 | Keyboard|AFC | i seem to have misplaced her :( |
| 09:09.44 | Shirik | what do you need Keyboard|AFC |
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| 09:12.04 | Keyboard|AFC | pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeese come back Cairenn|afk, I miss you! |
| 09:12.55 | KB|AwyFrmCairenn | stupid character limit :( |
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| 09:18.27 | Addybot | You might wanna start outpouring now. |
| 09:20.49 | mckenziemc | ~keyboard Addybot |
| 09:20.49 | purl | ACTION slaps Addybot around a bit with a keyboard. |
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| 09:30.31 | airtonix | Fisker: I just called, to say, I will destroy you. |
| 09:31.05 | airtonix | <grinning-sunglasses-man-seat-wiggle/> |
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| 09:32.54 | Fisker | airtonix |
| 09:33.22 | Fisker | doesn't look like you could stop me airtonix |
| 09:34.27 | Shirik | airtonix can stop Fisker |
| 09:34.30 | Shirik | but I can stop airtonix |
| 09:34.36 | Shirik | so if I stop airtonix do I unstop Fisker? |
| 09:34.37 | Fisker | no Shirik |
| 09:34.41 | Shirik | ok |
| 09:34.46 | Shirik | so Fisker is permanently stopped |
| 09:36.08 | airtonix | I apologise, i was unable to adapt a song of love into a song of destruction |
| 09:36.22 | airtonix | even for a good cause |
| 09:36.38 | airtonix | such is the power of the grinning sunglasses man |
| 09:37.01 | Jamash | make: *** No rule to make target `trouble'. Stop. |
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| 09:42.43 | Fisker | mckenziemc |
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| 09:45.13 | Fisker | The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request. |
| 09:45.13 | Fisker | Please contact the server administrator, web@youtube.com and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error. |
| 09:45.14 | Fisker | noooooo |
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| 09:45.38 | Fisker | Kalroth |
| 09:45.51 | Kalroth | God dag, min gode herre. |
| 09:46.25 | Fisker | den behandling finder jeg mig ikke i |
| 09:46.38 | airtonix | objection! |
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| 09:53.57 | Fisker | slaps karl_w_w around a bit with a large trout |
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| 10:09.05 | KB|AwyFrmCairenn | slaps Fisker around a bit with the absence of Cairenn. |
| 10:10.12 | Shirik | you could try making a request |
| 10:10.43 | KB|AwyFrmCairenn | >.> |
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| 10:12.35 | KB|AwyFrmCairenn | my only request is for Cairenn|afk to come back and make me a happy keyboard :( |
| 10:18.27 | Addybot | WTF |
| 10:20.04 | KB|AwyFrmCairenn | no Adys |
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| 10:26.28 | airtonix | hoho |
| 10:26.54 | airtonix | there is no keyboard |
| 10:28.33 | KB|AwyFrmCairenn | seduces airtonix's keyboard and persuades it to leave him. |
| 10:28.59 | airtonix | unfortunately you failed first grade english comprehension |
| 10:30.07 | KB|AwyFrmCairenn | why so srs airtonix? |
| 10:30.18 | airtonix | life is to serious to be short |
| 10:30.21 | airtonix | too |
| 10:30.32 | airtonix | destroys the KeyboardDjinn |
| 10:30.42 | KB|AwyFrmCairenn | :( |
| 10:31.11 | airtonix | also |
| 10:31.25 | airtonix | you are obsolete on my military satellite |
| 10:31.42 | airtonix | you will be relegated to the slums of india |
| 10:31.48 | airtonix | MUWAHAHA |
| 10:32.02 | airtonix | how does it feel? To be cast with dogs and filth? |
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| 10:37.20 | mckenziemc | fisker |
| 10:37.23 | mckenziemc | i'm tired |
| 10:40.49 | mckenziemc | oh, and thank you for killing my insomnia last night, it worked! |
| 10:46.56 | Fisker | why haste? |
| 10:47.02 | Fisker | why would you do such a thing haste ? |
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| 10:47.37 | Fisker | slaps bluspacecow around a bit with a large trout |
| 10:48.04 | Fisker | slaps haste around a bit with a large trout |
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| 10:49.12 | airtonix | Adys: have you had to convert a static website to a dynamic one with the requirement that old bookmarks still work ? |
| 10:50.57 | Fisker | airtonix |
| 10:53.41 | KB|AwyFrmCairenn | Aaanswer | the phone | I know that you're home | I want to get you alone | and do it again, do it again |
| 10:55.20 | Zhinjio | o.O |
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| 10:57.24 | mckenziemc | Sugar Ray, Answer The Phone :p |
| 10:57.48 | airtonix | I just called to tell you how much I care |
| 10:58.19 | mckenziemc | airtonix |
| 10:58.29 | mckenziemc | I can't liiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiive, with or without you |
| 10:58.57 | airtonix | I just called, to say, I will destroy you. |
| 10:58.58 | mckenziemc | ooooh oooh oooh oooh, oooh oooh oooh ooh, i can't liiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiive, with or without you |
| 10:59.29 | mckenziemc | just for you, i'll listen to Bad next |
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| 11:01.15 | mckenziemc | whenever i hear the bell sound in darnassus (at the top of the hour) i keep thinking it's DBM going off >.> |
| 11:01.17 | airtonix | btw Fisker |
| 11:01.48 | airtonix | Fisker: for offline map caching, Locus or Maps-Minus |
| 11:02.44 | airtonix | Locus lets you draw a path of a desired width, then it caches all the map tiles under that path at chosen zoom levels so you can use it when you have no internet connection |
| 11:02.53 | karl_w_w | lost like 5k dps on this patch |
| 11:03.16 | karl_w_w | 4k, now that i remember how to subtract |
| 11:08.52 | Fisker | hey airtonix |
| 11:09.33 | airtonix | its not actually called maps minus, but rather Maps (-) |
| 11:09.53 | airtonix | maps.coderminus.com |
| 11:10.07 | bluspacecow | ~fiskerslap airtonix |
| 11:10.07 | purl | ACTION slaps airtonix around a bit with Fisker. |
| 11:10.22 | Fisker | get this bluspacecow |
| 11:10.28 | Fisker | norwegians put mobile phones in butter |
| 11:10.36 | Fisker | what a bunch of jerks |
| 11:10.39 | bluspacecow | why they do that ? |
| 11:10.53 | mckenziemc | hey fisker |
| 11:10.57 | mckenziemc | the dutch smell |
| 11:11.03 | Fisker | yes mckenziemc |
| 11:11.06 | Fisker | idk bluspacecow |
| 11:11.12 | Fisker | i think it's because they're jerks |
| 11:13.51 | Derabo | hey, can someone tell me, why my savedVariables stay nil all the time? |
| 11:13.52 | Derabo | http://pastebin.com/2a6ADULs |
| 11:14.15 | mckenziemc | while i wait for that to load (on dialup) did you declare them in the .toc? |
| 11:14.20 | Derabo | yes |
| 11:14.46 | Derabo | maybe I am getting the function of tables wrong. |
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| 11:14.58 | harl | hey |
| 11:15.02 | Derabo | hello |
| 11:15.03 | mckenziemc | what you have looks right |
| 11:15.23 | Derabo | so when I log of there should be a table in my savedvariables, right? |
| 11:15.29 | mojosdojo- | karl_w_w: what class and spec? |
| 11:15.40 | mckenziemc | did you remember to actually register your frame to receive ADDON_LOADED? |
| 11:15.46 | Derabo | yes |
| 11:16.31 | mojosdojo- | Derabo: you should paste all your code |
| 11:16.37 | Derabo | one second |
| 11:16.45 | mckenziemc | and OnEvent is properly 'connected' ? |
| 11:17.08 | Derabo | http://pastebin.com/6HcRET5V |
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| 11:17.33 | Derabo | its just the savedvariables. and the part after this is some UI stuff |
| 11:18.12 | mckenziemc | just glancing, i think you need frame:SetHandler('OnEvent', function(...) frame:OnEvent(...) end) in there |
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| 11:18.30 | Addybot | Actually that's as close as we ever got |
| 11:18.59 | mckenziemc | yeah it looks like you forgot to do that; frame:OnEvent isn't being called at all :p |
| 11:19.15 | Derabo | isnt it in line 5? |
| 11:19.37 | Derabo | sorry if I get you wrong |
| 11:19.45 | mckenziemc | that defines the function but the frame doesn't automatically use it |
| 11:19.52 | mckenziemc | you have to manually tell it |
| 11:19.59 | Derabo | hmmmm can you give me a sample? |
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| 11:20.24 | mckenziemc | frame:SetScript('OnEvent', function(...) frame:OnEvent(...) end) |
| 11:20.39 | mckenziemc | i think it's SetScript rather than the SetHandler i posted earlier, but can't remember |
| 11:20.40 | Derabo | do I have to fill the ( ) ? |
| 11:20.56 | mckenziemc | put that anywhere after line 1 |
| 11:21.03 | Derabo | let me try |
| 11:21.14 | mckenziemc | yeah the function(...) stuff is to manage the 'self' parameter |
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| 11:21.38 | Derabo | actually I dont get all the parameters yet. can you tell me, what to fill in? : / |
| 11:21.47 | mckenziemc | literally put ... |
| 11:21.53 | mckenziemc | it's a vararg |
| 11:22.07 | Derabo | ah ok |
| 11:22.14 | Derabo | so I can just copy and past your line? |
| 11:22.30 | mckenziemc | that means 'create a nameless function that takes any number of arguments, then put 'frame' in front of those arguments and pass everything to frame.OnEvent |
| 11:22.30 | mckenziemc | yes |
| 11:22.49 | Derabo | hmmmm still getting nil in the savedvars |
| 11:23.21 | cbreak | that seems like a waste mckenziemc |
| 11:23.34 | cbreak | considering that OnEvent already gets the frame as first parameter |
| 11:23.37 | mckenziemc | put print('foo') above NotesDB = {} and make sure it's actually running |
| 11:23.49 | mckenziemc | oops cbreak is right |
| 11:23.58 | mckenziemc | that might explain the nil issue this time too |
| 11:24.24 | Derabo | I'm not really able to follow you guys :D but you seem to know what my error is ^^ |
| 11:24.49 | mckenziemc | instead of the line i posted, use frame:SetScript('OnEvent', frame.OnEvent) |
| 11:25.19 | Fisker | blows up mckenziemc for free |
| 11:25.24 | mckenziemc | :( |
| 11:25.35 | airtonix | re-animates mckenziemc |
| 11:25.59 | Derabo | hmmm still nil |
| 11:26.07 | airtonix | bills mckenziemc for an eight digit sum |
| 11:26.51 | Derabo | should look like this, right? http://pastebin.com/rJ986HJC |
| 11:28.00 | Fisker | blows up mckenziemc for free |
| 11:28.04 | mckenziemc | looks right, try inserting print('foo', event, arg1) between lines 10 and 11 and make sure that runs |
| 11:28.57 | Derabo | doesnt print anything at login : / |
| 11:30.01 | mckenziemc | hmm, time to try aggressive prints |
| 11:30.14 | mckenziemc | put one between lines 7 and 8 |
| 11:30.25 | mckenziemc | print('whatever') |
| 11:30.52 | Derabo | nope o.O |
| 11:31.03 | mitchnull | hrmp. anyone got <TexCoords/> working? no matter what I set in there, I get the default TexCoords after creating the texture (as returned by GetTexCoord) |
| 11:31.28 | mckenziemc | here let me close my current wow sessions and try it myself |
| 11:31.59 | Derabo | thank you |
| 11:32.31 | bluspacecow | lolz wow sessions ? you multiboxing mc ? |
| 11:33.19 | Fisker | multiboxing is lame |
| 11:33.58 | mckenziemc | oh duh |
| 11:34.30 | mckenziemc | since we changed the way we set up the OnEvent handler, it now needs to be placed _after_ frame:OnEvent |
| 11:35.27 | Derabo | hmmmm |
| 11:35.37 | Derabo | the handler is the function? |
| 11:36.08 | mckenziemc | line 5 needs to be moved below line 17 or so (the number's different now that we added lines) |
| 11:36.16 | Fisker | it is bluspacecow |
| 11:36.31 | Derabo | ok let me try |
| 11:36.52 | Derabo | :D great |
| 11:36.54 | Derabo | works |
| 11:36.59 | Derabo | thank you very much! |
| 11:37.09 | mckenziemc | sorry about the wrong leads >.> |
| 11:38.43 | Derabo | no problem. it works now :) |
| 11:46.09 | Derabo | hmmmm I can just use the savedvariables like this, right? |
| 11:46.10 | Derabo | newFrame:SetPoint("Center", NotesDB["x"], NotesDB["y"]) |
| 11:49.16 | mojosdojo- | Derabo: yes |
| 11:49.37 | SinusPi | mitchnull: paste a piece of code? Blizzard uses <TexCoord> widely all around... |
| 11:49.50 | SinusPi | coords* |
| 11:49.55 | Derabo | weird. Im getting a "attempt to index global 'NotesDB' (a nil value)" error |
| 11:50.08 | Derabo | but its not nil anymore |
| 11:50.42 | jnwhiteh | because you did it before the SVs were loaded |
| 11:50.44 | jnwhiteh | you should not do this. |
| 11:51.02 | jnwhiteh | wait for your addons ADDON_LOADED event. |
| 11:51.06 | jnwhiteh | check the argument to make sure its yours |
| 11:51.12 | Derabo | hmmm ok let me try |
| 11:54.10 | airtonix | this is not an argument |
| 11:55.22 | Derabo | hmmm is it possible that the addon_loaded event fires multiple times? when I put the "create UI stuff" code inside it I get like 5 windows |
| 11:59.06 | Fisker | i lol'd jnwhiteh |
| 11:59.14 | airtonix | so did i |
| 11:59.18 | Fisker | no airtonix |
| 11:59.20 | Fisker | you did not |
| 11:59.37 | airtonix | prove it |
| 11:59.37 | Fisker | lold is a registered trademark of the Fisker Corporation |
| 11:59.42 | Fisker | also lol'd |
| 12:00.18 | airtonix | would you like to purchase the domain name lo.ld from me ? |
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| 12:06.33 | Fisker | wat. jnwhiteh |
| 12:06.33 | Fisker | wat. |
| 12:06.46 | Fisker | http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/13/motorola-xoom-up-for-pre-order-at-best-buy-for-1-199/ |
| 12:07.25 | Fisker | and it doesn't even have a CD/DVD driver |
| 12:07.27 | Fisker | drive* |
| 12:10.35 | zenzelezz | hm, wikipedia has an entry for everything... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everything |
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| 12:18.28 | Addybot | tant va la cruche l'eau qu' la fin elle se case |
| 12:18.32 | airtonix | no |
| 12:19.25 | airtonix | ~x french tant va la cruche l'eau qu' la fin elle se case |
| 12:19.44 | airtonix | purl x french tant va la cruche l'eau qu' la fin elle se case |
| 12:19.52 | airtonix | destroys purl |
| 12:21.53 | airtonix | btw adys |
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| 12:35.03 | Jamash | ~x fr en tant va la cruche l'eau qu' la fin elle se case |
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| 12:38.55 | Jamash | $ echo "this is not a |" |
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| 12:50.30 | karl_w_w | mojosdojo-: frost mage |
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| 12:56.53 | zenzelezz | I believe this is a classic, but still... http://punditkitchen.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/political-pictures-vladimir-putin-barack-obama-hillary-clinton-mafia-wars.jpg |
| 13:03.49 | karl_w_w | how can it be a classic, it can't have happened that long ago |
| 13:05.46 | zenzelezz | classic on the cheeseburger network just means it's a re-post. This one wasn't marked as such, but I'm certain I saw it before |
| 13:07.05 | airtonix | i am very dissapointed in you zenzelezz |
| 13:08.02 | karl_w_w | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2065569341 <- fuck me blind |
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| 13:08.26 | airtonix | no |
| 13:09.24 | karl_w_w | aw :( |
| 13:10.43 | airtonix | i don't get it |
| 13:11.03 | karl_w_w | the clap? |
| 13:11.09 | airtonix | oh i see, you were unable to work out what the error message said, so you went to the forums for help |
| 13:12.02 | airtonix | wait |
| 13:12.11 | airtonix | why is the blue a pugnosed dog? |
| 13:12.49 | bluspacecow | is is not a doggie |
| 13:12.52 | bluspacecow | silly airtonix |
| 13:13.01 | bluspacecow | *i is not a doggie |
| 13:13.03 | airtonix | ok my mistake |
| 13:13.09 | bluspacecow | i fail typing |
| 13:13.26 | airtonix | it's the least of your problems |
| 13:13.51 | airtonix | i think i saw fisker walk through your front door |
| 13:14.29 | karl_w_w | wow! |
| 13:14.34 | karl_w_w | like a ghost? |
| 13:15.04 | airtonix | why must you feign amazement? |
| 13:15.26 | karl_w_w | feign? it's not every day you see somebody pass through solid objects |
| 13:15.40 | karl_w_w | or is it? do you see dead people? |
| 13:16.11 | airtonix | there is no death |
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| 13:16.27 | karl_w_w | only life after Fisker |
| 13:16.32 | airtonix | no |
| 13:16.36 | airtonix | only misunderstood rock stars |
| 13:17.06 | bluspacecow | only zoo- oh hang it too late |
| 13:17.11 | karl_w_w | if god is a dj, what does that make death? the bouncer? |
| 13:17.19 | airtonix | ... |
| 13:18.24 | airtonix | terry pratchet teaches us that gods and demons are mere constructs of our hopes and fears |
| 13:18.28 | Addybot | Error verifying humanity |
| 13:19.04 | airtonix | So if we all work hard enough to forget fisker |
| 13:20.42 | karl_w_w | remember to never say the lady's name airtonix |
| 13:21.16 | airtonix | because then she will wake up ? |
| 13:21.37 | bluspacecow | fisker -> http://i.imgur.com/9noic.jpg |
| 13:21.42 | bluspacecow | ^^ that is how you should cyber |
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| 13:34.17 | karl_w_w | so this omegle thing |
| 13:34.19 | karl_w_w | point? |
| 13:35.37 | A-KO | http://www.flickr.com/photos/blucalamari/sets/72157625911743141/show/ < epic |
| 13:39.24 | Fisker | slaps A-KO around a bit with a large trout |
| 13:42.13 | Wobin | sigh |
| 13:42.14 | Wobin | http://booko.com.au/books/isbn/9780575081413 |
| 13:42.18 | Wobin | book prices in Australia |
| 13:42.38 | Wobin | this is why we buy over the internet =P |
| 13:43.09 | Wobin | I can spend $25 on a hardcover book. Or $67 |
| 13:45.24 | zenzelezz | does Amazon ship to Australia normally? I have a friend there who has trouble buying from them, but if I buy from .co.uk and tell them to ship it there, there's no problem |
| 13:46.23 | airtonix | amazon sucks hairy gonads |
| 13:47.00 | zenzelezz | not in my experience |
| 13:47.01 | Wobin | shipping is usually the tripwire with overseas purchasing |
| 13:47.11 | Wobin | amazon do ship to Aus |
| 13:47.15 | Wobin | I buy from them occasionally |
| 13:47.34 | airtonix | bu they only sell 5% of their shop to australia |
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| 13:48.59 | zenzelezz | http://verydemotivational.memebase.com/2011/02/12/demotivational-posters-mom-2/ |
| 13:51.02 | Fisker | slaps airtonix around a bit with a large trout |
| 14:00.50 | airtonix | http://verydemotivational.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/admititp1.jpg |
| 14:00.56 | airtonix | what's YOUR plan b? |
| 14:01.44 | A-KO | http://i.imgur.com/hvhE1.png |
| 14:02.10 | airtonix | lawl |
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| 14:13.51 | karl_w_w | http://www.lamebook.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/wyn1.jpg |
| 14:16.41 | Xinhuan | <hr width=50%> |
| 14:18.28 | Addybot | It's like taking candy from an enormous baby. |
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| 14:39.53 | foxlit | the youtube embed on the wowi front page annoys me |
| 14:40.21 | cbreak | noscript ftw |
| 14:40.31 | foxlit | Yeah, I don't recall whitelisting wowi either. |
| 14:40.48 | zenzelezz | in what way does it annoy you? |
| 14:40.49 | foxlit | But this flashblock is a bit meh. |
| 14:41.05 | foxlit | It renders above the preview tooltips for the "latest updates" list |
| 14:41.21 | zenzelezz | isn't that a general Flash issue? I seem to recall that about Flash ads |
| 14:43.25 | foxlit | Not really; you can get HTML to layer on top of it if you wanted to. |
| 14:43.30 | foxlit | Not sure with iframe embeds, but meh. |
| 14:43.50 | foxlit | [actually, that explains the flashblock issue -- youtube is whitelisted, wowi is not -- since it's in an iframe, it renders :(] |
| 14:45.04 | Kraps | i dont even http://kotaku.com/#!5758915/theyve-taken-the-game-of-battleship-to-the-next-level |
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| 14:53.29 | cbreak | now that's stupid |
| 14:53.37 | cbreak | curse is way more bloated than I ever thought |
| 14:53.47 | cbreak | they use flash applets as buttons! |
| 14:54.09 | foxlit | cbreak: only as one very specific button, I think? |
| 14:54.19 | cbreak | no idea. for the button I use |
| 14:54.24 | foxlit | Also, rock. |
| 14:54.27 | foxlit | Get out from under it. |
| 14:54.51 | cbreak | I don't like driving with closed eyes and without wearing a seatbelt. |
| 14:55.46 | airtonix | i like cring in your arms tonight |
| 14:55.50 | airtonix | crying* |
| 14:56.04 | foxlit | I mean, they've been doing that for nearly two years :) |
| 14:56.36 | cbreak | yeah. shows how little I use that page. |
| 14:56.42 | cbreak | wowinterface is so much cleaner |
| 14:58.24 | foxlit | the recent redesign of addon pages is a bit meh |
| 14:58.45 | airtonix | so is your face |
| 14:59.15 | foxlit | stuff like showing only one picture, hiding file details by default, the minimum width is mildly annoying. |
| 15:03.13 | mckenziemc | cbreak: the flash applet thing is to mess with bots trying to piggyback on curse's bandwidth (think wowmatrix) |
| 15:03.41 | cbreak | and that works? |
| 15:03.48 | cbreak | bots can even circumvent captchas... |
| 15:04.38 | jnwhiteh | cbreak: yes, it works |
| 15:04.40 | jnwhiteh | and wowinterface did the same thing |
| 15:04.44 | jnwhiteh | or similar thing |
| 15:04.44 | jnwhiteh | when they both flipped the 'fuck you wowmatrix' switch |
| 15:05.08 | jnwhiteh | which was, as foxlit said, two years ago =) |
| 15:05.09 | cbreak | I'd expect it to be easy to just parse the flash file |
| 15:05.18 | cbreak | (for a bot) |
| 15:05.49 | airtonix | compiled binary? |
| 15:05.59 | cbreak | yeah |
| 15:06.11 | airtonix | well there is gnash |
| 15:06.15 | cbreak | there are programs that patch whole flash files to remove all potential bugs and exploits |
| 15:06.16 | airtonix | but |
| 15:06.26 | airtonix | even jdownloader has problems with captcha |
| 15:06.30 | airtonix | in fact |
| 15:06.32 | cbreak | I've seen a research talk about that a few months ago |
| 15:06.44 | airtonix | it doesn't even bother with the kind that come from scanned books |
| 15:07.21 | cbreak | recaptcha? |
| 15:08.25 | airtonix | http://jdownloader.org/knowledge/wiki/gui/configuration/advanced-view/janticaptcha |
| 15:09.08 | airtonix | so pretty much this is why curse and wowinterface use a flash file instead |
| 15:09.18 | airtonix | well one of many reasons |
| 15:10.16 | cbreak | well, I'd have estimated flash files to be as easy to circumvent as captchas, if not easier. |
| 15:10.19 | cbreak | weird they didn't |
| 15:10.30 | cbreak | maybe they weren't motivated enough :) |
| 15:10.49 | jnwhiteh | they weren't they were devastated |
| 15:10.57 | jnwhiteh | both sites, on patch day |
| 15:11.06 | jnwhiteh | it was not a pleasant scene |
| 15:11.27 | airtonix | cbreak: you mean wowmatrix wasn'tmotivated enough? |
| 15:11.30 | jnwhiteh | all wowi/curse had to do was slightly alter the keys they were using to get around it, no way they were going to win that catfight |
| 15:11.34 | cbreak | airtonix: yeah |
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| 15:12.03 | cbreak | all they would have to do is to run the flash program |
| 15:12.32 | jnwhiteh | something they couldn't do in their client infrastructure |
| 15:12.39 | jnwhiteh | which is why it was chosen |
| 15:12.43 | jnwhiteh | I think wowi used java, however |
| 15:12.45 | jnwhiteh | but same problem |
| 15:12.47 | cbreak | it's technically possible |
| 15:12.52 | jnwhiteh | yes |
| 15:12.58 | jnwhiteh | but we're not talking technically, we're talking reality |
| 15:13.03 | jnwhiteh | running it once was not sufficient |
| 15:13.13 | cbreak | as said above, there is a plugin that rewrites all flash applets you download before they are executed by your browser's flash plugin |
| 15:13.14 | jnwhiteh | it needed to be run every single time a download needed to happen |
| 15:13.27 | jnwhiteh | there is no 'browser' in this case |
| 15:13.33 | jnwhiteh | and thus no 'browser' flash plugin |
| 15:13.38 | cbreak | putting something like that into the matrixdownloader |
| 15:13.42 | cbreak | that instead of rewriting |
| 15:13.48 | cbreak | just instrumentalizes and executes it |
| 15:13.50 | jnwhiteh | and then wowi/curse change the code |
| 15:13.54 | cbreak | should not be much of a change |
| 15:13.59 | jnwhiteh | its a cat and mouse they cannot win |
| 15:14.07 | cbreak | wowinterface couldn't win |
| 15:14.10 | jnwhiteh | they did |
| 15:14.12 | jnwhiteh | so tell me that again =) |
| 15:14.16 | cbreak | because they have to make it executable by a flash plugin |
| 15:14.24 | jnwhiteh | first off, no they didn't |
| 15:14.29 | jnwhiteh | as I said, I believe they used java |
| 15:14.39 | jnwhiteh | don't conflate the two when you clearly don't actually understand the situation |
| 15:14.43 | jnwhiteh | you weren't here, a point that has already been made |
| 15:14.49 | cbreak | the only reason I can think of why the addon sites won is because the matrix people lacked the knowledge or the motivation |
| 15:14.56 | jnwhiteh | and academic conjecture on the matter is surely fun, but you're leaving out all of the details you don't have |
| 15:15.09 | jnwhiteh | its a matter of effort |
| 15:15.17 | jnwhiteh | and ability |
| 15:15.23 | jnwhiteh | they were constrained in the way they were triggering downloads |
| 15:15.29 | airtonix | it's like being at the wrong end of a lever |
| 15:15.34 | jnwhiteh | the payload was specifically chosen to fall in an area they could not easily resolve |
| 15:16.12 | jnwhiteh | it never should have happened in the first place |
| 15:16.20 | jnwhiteh | but sadly wowmatrix persisted |
| 15:18.28 | Addybot | The computer is lying to you; try -f. |
| 15:18.31 | bluspacecow | peh |
| 15:18.43 | bluspacecow | the wowmatrix never even publicly responding anywhere |
| 15:18.51 | bluspacecow | except for their bullshit notice in wowmatrix |
| 15:18.56 | jnwhiteh | yep |
| 15:19.00 | jnwhiteh | and their 'FAQ' |
| 15:19.28 | jnwhiteh | just suddenly thousands of addons had to be removed from their listing |
| 15:19.58 | jnwhiteh | then came the harassing from them and from their users |
| 15:20.04 | jnwhiteh | ah, blood pressure :P |
| 15:20.10 | bluspacecow | i think they made a few posts |
| 15:20.18 | bluspacecow | on wowace back in 2007 ? i think it was |
| 15:20.20 | bluspacecow | 2005 ? |
| 15:20.22 | bluspacecow | like 3 posts |
| 15:21.14 | bluspacecow | O_O broke my pen by clicking it too much |
| 15:21.15 | bluspacecow | QQ |
| 15:21.22 | jnwhiteh | sad |
| 15:21.28 | mckenziemc | ocd ftl |
| 15:21.36 | Gnarfoz | vegetable soup ftw |
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| 15:27.17 | bluspacecow | it was all Fisker's fault |
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| 15:31.47 | airtonix | i once touched your shell |
| 15:31.48 | Gnarfoz | best idea ever, I can eat basically as much as I want of this and it consists of about 90% water :P |
| 15:32.17 | airtonix | Gnarfoz: you and the toilet will become good friends |
| 15:32.32 | Gnarfoz | nah, no problem :P |
| 15:32.42 | airtonix | you say that |
| 15:32.45 | airtonix | now |
| 15:32.58 | airtonix | but you wait |
| 15:33.09 | airtonix | when it gets you there every 5min |
| 15:33.11 | Gnarfoz | it's not the first time I've cooked this, so :p |
| 15:33.20 | Gnarfoz | haha do you have a weak stomach or something? ;) |
| 15:33.47 | airtonix | what's a stomach got to do with passing water? |
| 15:34.19 | Gnarfoz | if something would make me go there more often, it's everything containing caffeine |
| 15:34.36 | airtonix | is it real vegetable soup? |
| 15:34.42 | airtonix | or from a can or packet ? |
| 15:35.10 | airtonix | the latter will see you frequent the toilet more often |
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| 15:36.03 | airtonix | unless of course you smoke lots of ganja |
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| 15:38.44 | airtonix | lawl |
| 15:38.58 | airtonix | captcha with hebrew in it |
| 15:39.01 | Gnarfoz | airtonix: everything freshly bought, cut up and stewed; no glutamates, no extra salt, just some chili flakes =o |
| 15:39.02 | airtonix | yeahhhhh |
| 15:39.05 | Gnarfoz | happens, hehe |
| 15:39.18 | Gnarfoz | I've had katakana once o_O |
| 15:41.06 | airtonix | Training Day for StarTrek Shuttle Operator : Test One : Whack a Mole |
| 15:42.00 | Jamash | Safety Training Course: How To Not Wear A Flight Harness |
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| 15:46.49 | bluspacecow | Flight attendants training course : How to wear your skirt shorter |
| 15:48.01 | airtonix | I have some serious snot brewing in my nose |
| 15:48.13 | zenzelezz | can't call that training bluspacecow, that's company-mandated uniforms |
| 15:48.32 | bluspacecow | *nod* *nod* |
| 15:49.07 | Fisker | slaps bluspacecow around a bit with a large trout |
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| 15:51.27 | Fisker | slaps airtonix around a bit with a large trout |
| 15:53.01 | mckenziemc | ~Fiskerslap Fisker |
| 15:53.01 | purl | ACTION slaps Fisker around a bit with Fisker. |
| 15:53.27 | Fisker | slaps mckenziemc around a bit with a large trout |
| 15:54.20 | mckenziemc | slaps Fisker around a bit with purl. |
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| 15:56.15 | Fisker | slaps Gnarfoz around a bit with a large trout |
| 15:57.32 | Nobgul | ~punch Fisker |
| 15:57.32 | purl | ACTION lets fly with a wild haymaker which catches Fisker right on the nose |
| 15:58.41 | Fisker | omg omg omg |
| 15:58.56 | airtonix | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:59.12 | Jamash | installs Windows Phone 7 OS on Fisker. |
| 15:59.22 | airtonix | rages |
| 15:59.26 | Fisker | bawww |
| 15:59.32 | Fisker | i had the weirdest error message |
| 15:59.39 | Fisker | and i screenshotted it |
| 15:59.42 | airtonix | i will destroy you |
| 15:59.44 | Fisker | but windows says i didn't :( |
| 15:59.50 | bluspacecow | oh welly |
| 16:01.22 | jnwhiteh | I need a name, for the web server toolkit that's a part of my research |
| 16:01.24 | jnwhiteh | its a concurrent, component based web toolkit written in Go |
| 16:01.39 | jnwhiteh | hlep! |
| 16:01.59 | Jamash | GoBots |
| 16:02.41 | jnwhiteh | hrm, not sure that works |
| 16:02.42 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 16:03.17 | bluspacecow | Fisker's Fiskery Bots for fiskery fiskering |
| 16:03.51 | bluspacecow | GoToPieces |
| 16:03.52 | Fisker | GoFish? |
| 16:06.50 | Nobgul | Gokit |
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| 16:07.06 | Nobgul | GoTkit |
| 16:07.09 | bluspacecow | GoNuts |
| 16:07.19 | Nobgul | +1 bluspacecow |
| 16:07.32 | bluspacecow | SpeccyGo |
| 16:07.46 | Jamash | GoGoGadget |
| 16:07.49 | airtonix | StopBrowse |
| 16:07.50 | Nobgul | lol |
| 16:07.59 | amro | "gonuts" is the oldest name in the go community |
| 16:08.09 | bluspacecow | MidgetHamsterPornGo |
| 16:08.23 | airtonix | you know what go is slang for ? |
| 16:08.46 | Fisker | Gonads |
| 16:08.51 | jnwhiteh | amro: I'm thinking something like gowebpipes |
| 16:08.53 | jnwhiteh | but that's too long |
| 16:08.59 | jnwhiteh | gowebpipelines would be the best |
| 16:09.06 | Fisker | what do you do on the web jnwhiteh ? |
| 16:09.08 | Fisker | you surf? |
| 16:09.10 | Fisker | What do you surf on? |
| 16:09.12 | Fisker | Water |
| 16:09.14 | Nobgul | go is googles programming language? |
| 16:09.15 | Fisker | What's in the water |
| 16:09.18 | jnwhiteh | a penis |
| 16:09.18 | Fisker | fish! |
| 16:09.22 | Fisker | :( |
| 16:09.22 | jnwhiteh | Nobgul: one of them, yes. |
| 16:09.36 | airtonix | jnwhiteh: got something on your mind |
| 16:09.37 | amro | jnwhiteh: well if the components can be interconnected in web form, you can just stop at web |
| 16:09.44 | airtonix | are you thinking what i'm thinking? |
| 16:09.44 | krka | Uh, I think so, airtonix, but we'll never get a monkey to use dental floss. |
| 16:09.49 | airtonix | kinky |
| 16:10.04 | Jamash | Fisker: FishGo? |
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| 16:10.38 | Fisker | idk Jamash |
| 16:10.56 | airtonix | FiskGo |
| 16:11.24 | Fisker | i want a tablet airtonix |
| 16:12.24 | jnwhiteh | amro: I'm not sure I understand |
| 16:12.35 | jnwhiteh | this is a web server toolkit |
| 16:12.38 | airtonix | Fisker: a pain killer tablet ? |
| 16:12.40 | jnwhiteh | and its component/pipeline based |
| 16:12.51 | Fisker | no airtonix |
| 16:12.52 | airtonix | oxy-codeine |
| 16:13.30 | amro | nvm I misunderstood |
| 16:15.47 | Fisker | airtonix |
| 16:16.05 | jnwhiteh | amro: thoughts? =) |
| 16:16.12 | jnwhiteh | it should ideally be pronouncable in some way |
| 16:16.12 | zenzelezz | pipeline based server toolkit? Call it Intertubes |
| 16:16.14 | jnwhiteh | since I'll have to present it |
| 16:16.35 | jnwhiteh | sioraiocht: suggested gotubes |
| 16:16.36 | amro | you can always make up a pronounciation |
| 16:16.39 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 16:16.47 | jnwhiteh | any objections? :P |
| 16:16.57 | amro | to gotubes? |
| 16:17.01 | Nobgul | GoPipes |
| 16:17.10 | Fisker | GoFish :( |
| 16:17.11 | jnwhiteh | they're not QUITE pipes |
| 16:17.11 | Fisker | jerks |
| 16:17.13 | Nobgul | lol Fisker |
| 16:17.27 | amro | I object because I'd rather steal it for a potential future project |
| 16:17.37 | jnwhiteh | what project :P |
| 16:17.44 | Fisker | your project |
| 16:17.53 | Fisker | patents and trademarks it |
| 16:18.29 | Addybot | Is that slang for something? |
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| 16:18.40 | amro | gotubes is good |
| 16:19.18 | zenzelezz | why do people keep using the language name in projects |
| 16:19.45 | jnwhiteh | I'd rather not |
| 16:19.53 | jnwhiteh | it actually kind of takes away from my work |
| 16:20.07 | jnwhiteh | given that it is not specific to go, the paper is about the architecture which is more general |
| 16:21.22 | amro | netpipes? |
| 16:22.28 | Nobgul | NetTubes - Web server toolit based on component/pipeline |
| 16:22.53 | Nobgul | toolit* |
| 16:23.01 | Nobgul | 0_o u get the idea |
| 16:25.07 | Jamash | NotABigTruck |
| 16:25.59 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 16:26.01 | jnwhiteh | webpipes |
| 16:26.09 | jnwhiteh | I think I'll go with that |
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| 16:29.19 | Nobgul | https://www.mturk.com/mturk/welcome |
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| 16:30.08 | jnwhiteh | its a bit boring, but meh. |
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| 16:31.53 | Fisker | what is jnwhiteh ? |
| 16:32.11 | mckenziemc | wtf Cairenn :( |
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| 16:33.01 | Cairenn | ? |
| 16:33.10 | Fisker | yeah wtf |
| 16:33.28 | Fisker | you promised ice cream and cookies |
| 16:33.37 | Fisker | 025 |
| 16:33.43 | Fisker | quick |
| 16:33.44 | mckenziemc | you kicked Keyboard :( |
| 16:34.16 | Cairenn | I've no idea who the hell that is, but using my name as part of their name is annoying |
| 16:34.19 | Fisker | make a facebook profile |
| 16:35.02 | mckenziemc | it was me >.> |
| 16:35.08 | Cairenn | oh? |
| 16:35.23 | mckenziemc | unfortunately theres' a character limit on names so it had to be cryptic :( |
| 16:35.33 | Cairenn | so what was with it? |
| 16:35.41 | mckenziemc | sorry if it bothered you |
| 16:35.45 | mckenziemc | it was a joke :p |
| 16:35.52 | Cairenn | hokay |
| 16:36.11 | Cairenn | no worries, now that I know it was a 'regular', I'm less stressed about it |
| 16:36.32 | mckenziemc | ah, makes sense |
| 16:37.36 | Cairenn | heh |
| 16:37.48 | mckenziemc | Jamash you made me spit water all over my monitor and desk :( |
| 16:38.03 | DontKickMeBro | success! |
| 16:38.12 | Thunder_Child | please kick him |
| 16:38.16 | Thunder_Child | it must be done |
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| 16:40.30 | Nobgul | lol |
| 16:40.30 | Fisker | Cairenn |
| 16:40.33 | DontKickMeBro | I've accidentally booted people from my group in wow while trying to use /kick as an emote |
| 16:40.34 | Fisker | are you going to Blizzcon '11? |
| 16:40.41 | Fisker | 2111 |
| 16:40.46 | mckenziemc | i did that once :( |
| 16:40.55 | Nobgul | are you fisker? |
| 16:41.08 | Fisker | i doubt it |
| 16:41.08 | Cairenn | Fisker: 2011, perhaps, pretty sure not 2111 though |
| 16:41.16 | Nobgul | lol |
| 16:41.31 | mckenziemc | rofl |
| 16:41.58 | Jamash|BC2111 | I'm there now |
| 16:42.07 | Jamash|BC2111 | through the magic of time travel |
| 16:42.18 | Thunder_Child | you are seriously bored today arent you Jamash|BC2111 |
| 16:42.22 | Jamash|BC2111 | yes |
| 16:42.46 | Jamash|BC2111 | I'm lying in bed with my laptop trying to configure web backup |
| 16:43.10 | Jamash|BC2111 | all the instructions are translated from Chinese |
| 16:43.33 | Fisker | lucky you |
| 16:44.12 | Jamash|BC2111 | when I add or remove a folder, clicking "Add Folder" or "Remove Folder" isn't good enough, I have to browse to the correct location and then click OK and then click Apply |
| 16:44.12 | Fisker | we bought a sff atom pc where we wanted to check boot over lan |
| 16:44.21 | Fisker | but the boot manager is in chinese or something |
| 16:44.31 | Jamash | awesome |
| 16:44.40 | Fisker | very |
| 16:45.23 | Jamash | I'm not sure why I'm even bothering, it's a limited 60 day trial |
| 16:45.51 | Jamash | and I already have dropbox installed |
| 16:49.54 | Zhinjio | G"morning, worthies |
| 16:50.08 | Jamash | "automatically syncs your most updated calendar events to all PC so that you will have exact events no matter which PC is in used." |
| 16:52.47 | Fisker | they got google calendar? |
| 16:52.53 | Fisker | sweeeeeeeet |
| 16:53.54 | Fisker | i wonder if Blizzard will even make a beta for Diablo 3 |
| 16:54.09 | Jamash | why wouldn't they? |
| 16:54.13 | haste | no, it goes straight from alpha to gold! |
| 16:54.13 | Jamash | it has multiplayer |
| 16:54.13 | Pneumatus | im sure they will |
| 16:54.50 | Jamash | anyone remember the Diablo II Stress Test? |
| 16:55.09 | Fisker | OH U haste |
| 16:55.12 | Jamash | Act 1 only, Barbarian only |
| 16:55.13 | haste | OH ME! |
| 16:55.33 | Jamash | nothing to do after beating it except look for gem shrines and click on the chat gem |
| 16:55.50 | Jamash | oh man I wonder what they're doing for chat gem 2.0 |
| 16:55.50 | Fisker | anyway i was just thinking it has no real "non-story" content as such(except the arenas, but god no), was just thinking what they would do :P |
| 16:56.43 | Jamash | all the wow betas have all or almost all the story content, it's only the RTS games where they can get away with a multiplayer-only beta |
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| 16:57.04 | Jamash | well, wow is multiplayer only |
| 16:57.07 | Jamash | you know what I mean |
| 16:58.49 | mckenziemc | no, i can't say i do. then again, i should be sleeping O.o |
| 16:59.26 | mckenziemc | oh, like skirmish |
| 16:59.43 | Jamash | I mean starcraft and warcraft have had competitive multiplayer betas with no single-player content (story missions) |
| 17:02.24 | Jamash | anyhoo the Diablo III beta will likely be the first act of the game only, and require you to be connected to battle.net |
| 17:06.52 | Thunder_Child | actually, because of the way D3 is constructed they could make it MP only |
| 17:07.03 | Thunder_Child | for the Alpha/Beta |
| 17:07.13 | Jamash | what, arenas only? |
| 17:07.19 | Thunder_Child | no |
| 17:07.41 | Thunder_Child | because the difference between MP and SP is where you play it |
| 17:08.06 | Thunder_Child | eg. if the current game is being hosted locally or on their servers |
| 17:08.37 | Jamash | yeah that's what I meant, I guess that was unclear |
| 17:08.59 | Thunder_Child | well, SC2 requires you to be connected to battle.net and you can play locally |
| 17:09.07 | Thunder_Child | so thats not quite the same |
| 17:09.23 | Jamash | I meant to say require you to play on battle.net, which is how the D2 stress test worked |
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| 17:16.50 | Jamash | are there any good addons/libraries for wow debug logging, particularly of event sequences and api call results? |
| 17:16.59 | bluspacecow | MP ? SP? what are these funny acronums meaning Thunder ? |
| 17:17.07 | Jamash | multiplayer singleplayer |
| 17:17.16 | bluspacecow | oh |
| 17:18.06 | Nobgul | Jamash, there is the built in event trace, then i saw a modified version. Just but a week or so ago a new addon. |
| 17:18.28 | Addybot | Nobody ever freezes, might as well just say "run!"... |
| 17:18.54 | Jamash | Nobgul: do you know what the new version is called? |
| 17:19.19 | Nobgul | Im looking for it now. |
| 17:19.58 | mckenziemc | silly bluspacecow |
| 17:20.01 | Nobgul | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info11129-Massive.html |
| 17:20.20 | Nobgul | That may or may not be specifically what you are looking for Jamash, but it is the one i was speaking about. |
| 17:20.21 | bluspacecow | bai bai i go homes from work nows |
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| 17:20.36 | Jamash | Nobgul: that looks like what I'm looking for, thanks |
| 17:20.41 | Nobgul | np |
| 17:21.04 | Nobgul | Going through hundreds of addons a week has its advantages. |
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| 17:21.50 | Jamash | I'm having issues with my spellbook-diffing backend and event timing and whatnot |
| 17:23.42 | Jamash | specifically, guild perk based abilities like mobile banking show up at a different time than class and tradeskill based abilities |
| 17:24.49 | Nobgul | eh. I missed something there lol |
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| 17:28.14 | Jamash | when the player logs in, I save the contents of their spellbook, and when new spells are added I pop up a window |
| 17:28.36 | Jamash | but due to timing/event ordering, it always thinks Mobile Banking is new |
| 17:29.08 | Fisker | http://androidandme.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Motorola_Atrix_preorder.jpg <-oololol i saw what they did there |
| 17:29.24 | Jamash | is it a floor wax or a dessert topping? |
| 17:29.39 | Nobgul | wtf is that a phone in a dock of some sorts? |
| 17:29.47 | Fisker | yes |
| 17:29.59 | Nobgul | sigh |
| 17:30.02 | Fisker | The "laptop" is just a shell with a keyboard, trackpad and monitor |
| 17:30.06 | Fisker | the phone is powering it |
| 17:30.07 | Fisker | :o |
| 17:30.20 | Jamash | kind of bizarre imo |
| 17:30.38 | Nobgul | Add a keyboard to a tablet and call it a day? |
| 17:30.41 | Fisker | i fully expect it to be where we are headed |
| 17:30.57 | Fisker | but it's not powerful enough yet |
| 17:31.01 | Jamash | where's my heads up display Fisker |
| 17:31.20 | Fisker | fuck that |
| 17:31.35 | Fisker | also fuck concepts where you wear your phone as some retarded wristband |
| 17:31.48 | Nobgul | Anyone use google voice? |
| 17:32.30 | Fisker | no! |
| 17:35.16 | Thunder_Child | Nobgul: i do |
| 17:36.02 | amro | Fisker: it makes for convenient phone sex |
| 17:36.33 | Fisker | sweet |
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| 17:38.05 | Fisker | wanna hack the world alestane ? |
| 17:38.32 | alestane | I'd like to teach the world to code. |
| 17:38.44 | Nobgul | Thunder_Child, Usa and canada are free calls correct? |
| 17:39.11 | Fisker | you can if you hack the world alestane |
| 17:39.27 | Thunder_Child | Nobgul: define free? it still takes minutes |
| 17:39.40 | Thunder_Child | but yes, google voice is free for the US at least |
| 17:39.45 | Thunder_Child | i dont call canada |
| 17:40.18 | Nobgul | Before i get into this. Google Voice is just a dialer. That will rung the phone you specify and call the other party. |
| 17:42.04 | Thunder_Child | you dont get to specify a phone, but yes |
| 17:42.43 | Thunder_Child | you dail like normal, it takes care fo the rest |
| 17:42.55 | Thunder_Child | of* |
| 17:42.55 | Thunder_Child | dial* |
| 17:43.08 | Nobgul | Hrmm, nvm then. Looking for something vonage ish |
| 17:44.33 | Thunder_Child | yea, google voice is not a phone service provider |
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| 17:53.33 | tem | fuck you, minecraft |
| 17:53.38 | tem | it was friday night 10 minutes ago |
| 17:54.05 | Dagmar | lol |
| 17:55.52 | Nobgul | Saw minecraft on ipad last night =P |
| 18:01.11 | Cide | Shirik: hi! |
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| 18:18.29 | Addybot | If an infinite number of monkeys film everything they see, will one of them eventually create "Planet of the Apes"? |
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| 18:20.23 | Pneumatus | no |
| 18:20.59 | Cide | possibly, but not necessarily |
| 18:21.24 | Cide | actually, the probability is zero |
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| 18:34.12 | Cide | where is the Shirik |
| 18:40.55 | Adys | http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2011/02/wanted-dinosaur-sex-read/ |
| 18:41.12 | Adys | the url is.. |
| 18:41.14 | Adys | actually yeah. |
| 18:41.25 | Adys | "If you are particularly interested in animal sex thereâs an interesting exhibition featuring plenty of erotic taxidermy over at The Natural History Museum." |
| 18:46.45 | cbreak | hmm... 40000 is the current toc? |
| 18:46.51 | cbreak | so why is 40100 too old? |
| 18:49.03 | Cide | I believe it flags anything but current as "too old" |
| 18:49.21 | Cide | to prevent authors from creating forward-compatible addons by setting the toc to 49999 for instance |
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| 19:11.16 | Fisker | foxlit |
| 19:11.21 | Fisker | jeg er blevet venner med jungledyret hugo |
| 19:12.07 | foxlit | You don't know where he's been, Fisker. |
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| 19:18.28 | Addybot | First you gotta find a library card then you gotta get back your lost communicator you zap two guys you find a diamond you exchange it with the shop owner for a marked deck of cards then you find a bone on the sidewalk and a gumball off some guy with a dog then you find a hairpin and you find a stick you have to put the gumball on the end of the stick put it in a gutter and fish out some coins then you talk to a bartende |
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| 19:19.25 | foxlit | That's automatic nonsense every hour, Adys? |
| 19:20.51 | Adys | it's not supposed to be |
| 19:21.04 | foxlit | at :18 for the past three. |
| 19:21.17 | Adys | yeah, saw |
| 19:21.20 | Adys | it has a 1hr baseline |
| 19:21.33 | Adys | but the qtimer was supposed to be dynamic depending on channel activity |
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| 19:21.56 | Iriel | So we're autogenerating unsolicited spam now? |
| 19:22.21 | Iriel | May I ask "why?" |
| 19:22.21 | Adys | nah was just testing it in #wowuidev to have tests on activity |
| 19:22.31 | Adys | turning it off in a min |
| 19:22.37 | Iriel | ah, ok |
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| 19:29.32 | Kraps | Christopher Nolan is cool and doesnt afraid of anything |
| 19:30.40 | Shirik | Who here's from the UK |
| 19:32.01 | Adys | Shirik: me me me me me |
| 19:32.05 | Adys | pick me! pick me! |
| 19:32.12 | Kraps | Christopher Nolan is, Shirik |
| 19:32.17 | Shirik | really Adys? |
| 19:32.44 | Adys | i live here, if thats what you mean by "from" the uk |
| 19:32.50 | Shirik | ok |
| 19:32.57 | Shirik | Question 1: Do you have any CFLs? |
| 19:33.20 | Fisker | bitches Shirik |
| 19:33.47 | Kraps | are you a bitches Fisker |
| 19:34.12 | Fisker | no u Kraps |
| 19:34.56 | Adys | Shirik: .. the light bulb? |
| 19:35.01 | Shirik | yes |
| 19:35.11 | Adys | yeah a couple |
| 19:35.42 | Shirik | hm |
| 19:35.46 | Shirik | well you have broken my theory |
| 19:35.50 | Shirik | nm then |
| 19:35.56 | Adys | owned |
| 19:35.59 | Adys | i'm the theorybroker |
| 19:36.36 | Kraps | i think Shirik was setting up for a stereotyping joke |
| 19:36.40 | Shirik | no |
| 19:36.46 | Shirik | I just learned that most CFLs aren't RoHS compliant |
| 19:37.13 | Shirik | which would either restrict the availability of CFLs in the UK or increase the price (probably both) |
| 19:37.27 | Shirik | And I was wondering how that impacted the "movement" |
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| 19:37.56 | zenzelezz | CFL? |
| 19:38.10 | Shirik | the new light bulbs |
| 19:38.10 | Gnarfoz | cathode fluorescent lights? |
| 19:38.14 | Shirik | the spirally ones |
| 19:38.18 | Shirik | compact |
| 19:38.19 | Iriel | Shirik: I'm _from_ the UK, not _in_ the UK |
| 19:38.28 | Gnarfoz | so you're the opposite of adys? |
| 19:38.29 | Gnarfoz | :p |
| 19:38.32 | Iriel | Shirik: whichever of those is useful 8-) |
| 19:38.43 | Shirik | need 'in' unfortunately :( |
| 19:39.23 | Adys | i bet you say that to all the girls |
| 19:39.53 | zenzelezz | so what is RoHS, and how are you compliant to it? |
| 19:40.56 | Shirik | ~wiki RoHS |
| 19:41.01 | Adys | Nobgul: ping |
| 19:41.06 | Shirik | well that was useful |
| 19:41.29 | Shirik | it's a restriction on hazardous substances |
| 19:41.35 | Shirik | (literally) |
| 19:41.41 | Shirik | so mercury, lead, a bunch of other stuff |
| 19:42.42 | zenzelezz | I'm not sure what those cathode things are, but I know we're not allowed to use old-style lightbulbs in Norway anymore |
| 19:43.09 | SinusPi | except as heating appliances, hrhr. |
| 19:43.22 | zenzelezz | not as that either, though someone tried to get around the EU regulation that way |
| 19:43.29 | Shirik | not allowed? |
| 19:43.30 | Shirik | wow |
| 19:43.39 | SinusPi | use or sell, though? |
| 19:43.42 | zenzelezz | well, if you have any lying around, you can... but they're not legal to sell anymore |
| 19:43.46 | Shirik | ok |
| 19:43.48 | SinusPi | ah-ha. |
| 19:43.48 | Shirik | that makes more sense |
| 19:43.50 | Kraps | "you must restart to fully install adobe reader" wtf |
| 19:44.09 | Shirik | Kraps: It can only take over your computer during startup |
| 19:45.32 | kraftman_ | !api startsizing |
| 19:45.32 | lua_bot | Frame:StartSizing: Begins resizing the frame via mouse movement (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Frame/StartSizing) |
| 19:46.05 | kraftman_ | :( |
| 19:46.41 | Kraps | seriously what is it with these programs, they arent drivers |
| 19:46.47 | Gnarfoz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fluorescent_tube_under_electric_line.jpg ! |
| 19:47.22 | Shirik | ha |
| 19:47.46 | Shirik | I wonder if they got permission from the power companies to do that |
| 19:47.53 | Shirik | it DOES take power to do that |
| 19:47.56 | Shirik | it's basically stealing :P |
| 19:48.20 | Fisker | farts at Shirik |
| 19:48.36 | Iriel | Shirik: I'm pretty sure that falls well below the transmission loss threshold of noticability |
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| 19:49.18 | Shirik | is going to start stealing 1 cent from every place he buys stuff at and say the above line |
| 19:49.53 | foxlit | give a penny, steal a penny? |
| 19:50.07 | Gnarfoz | steal less than one cent and you're also infringing on someone's movie plot IP |
| 19:50.11 | Gnarfoz | ;p |
| 19:50.24 | Shirik | seriously? |
| 19:50.29 | Shirik | what movie |
| 19:50.35 | Iriel | Superman 3? |
| 19:50.37 | Kraps | how did bale get so thin for this movie |
| 19:50.40 | Iriel | Or 2, I forget |
| 19:50.45 | Iriel | the bad 80's one. |
| 19:50.54 | Gnarfoz | don't know which one started that fad, multiple movies have it ;) |
| 19:51.44 | kraftman_ | ill start charging for cigarettes for people who pasively smoke :P |
| 19:51.49 | Zhinjio | Kraps: did you see his movie _The Machinist_? |
| 19:52.02 | Iriel | kraftman_: they can start charging you for medical expenses too then? |
| 19:52.05 | Kraps | Zhinjio: that what im watching now |
| 19:52.24 | Zhinjio | ok, yeah. I was goign to say. You haven't seen him thin until you've seen that movie |
| 19:52.43 | kraftman_ | ^^ |
| 19:52.46 | Zhinjio | great movie |
| 19:52.49 | greppy | he went on a diet of smokes and whiskey I think they said to get down to that size. |
| 19:53.08 | Kraps | yikes |
| 19:53.23 | Gnarfoz | sounds totally healthy |
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| 19:56.41 | Kraps | looks like a skeleton, not exaggerating |
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| 20:10.09 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 20:10.12 | Fisker | i want to show you something |
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| 20:24.48 | batrick | derp |
| 20:44.39 | ckknight | batrick: herp? |
| 20:56.05 | Zhinjio | ckknight: heya |
| 20:56.10 | mikma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxi73RQlLB8 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111 |
| 20:56.16 | mikma | dance dance dance dance! |
| 20:57.41 | ckknight | howdy, Zhinjio |
| 20:57.44 | ckknight | how's life? |
| 20:58.35 | Zhinjio | not bad. doing bills. baby2 arrives in less than a month |
| 20:59.26 | ckknight | ooh, either congratulations or lamentations are in order |
| 20:59.41 | Zhinjio | heh |
| 20:59.43 | Zhinjio | idneed. |
| 21:00.23 | ckknight | how old's your first? |
| 21:00.35 | Shirik | is that its name? |
| 21:00.37 | Shirik | baby2? |
| 21:00.51 | Shirik | if so you really should refactor your code |
| 21:00.59 | Shirik | use an array instead of a variable for each one |
| 21:01.29 | ckknight | Shirik's right |
| 21:02.08 | ckknight | actually, Shirik, you'd want a growable list |
| 21:02.35 | Shirik | The problem is the size of a baby does not remain constant |
| 21:02.40 | Shirik | so memory mapping is an issue |
| 21:02.44 | Shirik | you could use a linked list though |
| 21:02.55 | Shirik | or an array of pointers |
| 21:03.08 | Zhinjio | Shirik: current speculation is "Nicholas" shortened to Niko. But I suspect we'll decide when he arrives |
| 21:03.21 | Zhinjio | ckknight: 2.5 |
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| 21:03.33 | ckknight | Zhinjio: is your first male or female? |
| 21:03.46 | Zhinjio | girl. Madeline |
| 21:04.09 | ckknight | hmm |
| 21:04.14 | ckknight | I like the name Madeline |
| 21:04.30 | Shirik | I like the order |
| 21:04.38 | Shirik | your next baby name should start with an O |
| 21:04.48 | mikma | zhinjio: madde like swedish princess |
| 21:05.01 | ckknight | Othelo |
| 21:05.02 | mikma | (the hotter of those two) |
| 21:05.12 | Zhinjio | actually, we're done after this one |
| 21:06.22 | ckknight | but you can't grow your progeny unless you have at least 3 |
| 21:07.25 | Zhinjio | given sufficient time, money and patience (and towels for cleaning up vomit) I would probably have more. As it stands though... we're done. |
| 21:07.32 | ckknight | hehe |
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| 21:09.47 | Gagorian- | 1 would be optimal, 2 in case one gets messed up you still have backup |
| 21:09.51 | Gagorian- | 3 is too many |
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| 21:15.09 | Fisker | Shirik |
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| 21:21.51 | ckknight | Gagorian-: but mathematically if your entire line has only 2 children, even assuming that no one dies before they have children, your family tree will stagnate. |
| 21:22.40 | sylvanaar | thinking of having kids ckknight? |
| 21:22.49 | ckknight | sylvanaar: no, not really. |
| 21:22.53 | mikma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6kpW3zBeus |
| 21:23.07 | sylvanaar | lol |
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| 21:25.22 | Nobgul | Zhinjio, If you every wanna find out what it's like having more then 2 let me know ill send a few of my kids your way. |
| 21:25.30 | mckenziemc | o.o |
| 21:26.08 | Zhinjio | Nobgul: nein, Danke. I've been stay at home dad for the past 2+ years, and with the next one around the corner, I'll have my fill, thanks. |
| 21:26.41 | sylvanaar | Nobgul: did you ever get around to working with my editor? |
| 21:26.44 | Zhinjio | shit, at times, one is more than I can deal with. |
| 21:27.09 | Nobgul | sylvanaar, Not at all. I setup all the dep's and stuff just havent done anything yet. |
| 21:27.24 | Nobgul | I am being very lazy |
| 21:28.08 | sylvanaar | i was just wondering - i only have the weekends really to work on it, so i try to get as much feedback as i can |
| 21:28.15 | amro | [22:02] <Shirik> The problem is the size of a baby does not remain constant |
| 21:28.17 | amro | [22:02] <Shirik> so memory mapping is an issue |
| 21:28.23 | amro | who else wants to see Shirik have "the talk" with his kids? |
| 21:28.29 | Nobgul | lol |
| 21:28.32 | sylvanaar | lol |
| 21:29.44 | mikma | olo |
| 21:31.04 | amro | anyone here using cmake on windows? |
| 21:31.07 | amro | Could NOT find GTest (missing: GTEST_LIBRARY GTEST_INCLUDE_DIR |
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| 21:31.21 | amro | I copied all the files to the appropriate dirs in VC10 |
| 21:31.51 | Kraps | ok, i need to start watching comedies now |
| 21:33.11 | Kraps | a diet of donnie darko, insomnia and the machinist isnt healthy |
| 21:33.32 | amro | Shirik: the popup shows both "Visual Studio C++ 2010" and "Visual Studio C++ 10" when I open a .sln, what gives? |
| 21:33.45 | Shirik | VS 10 is 2008 |
| 21:34.12 | Shirik | wait no it's not |
| 21:34.16 | Shirik | I don't have an answer for you :) |
| 21:34.30 | Shirik | l2install |
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| 21:35.27 | amro | that's all I installed |
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| 21:48.57 | kraftman_ | !api sizable |
| 21:48.57 | lua_bot | Found 2 possible results for 'sizable': Frame:SetResizable, Frame:IsResizable |
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| 22:00.59 | mckenziemc | i'm thinking of experimenting with using a one-handed dvorak layout for my keyboard, both for typing and for wow. the problem with using it for wow though is that the modifier keys become hard to reach. does anyone know of a way to 'hack' the letter keys to act as modifiers? |
| 22:04.45 | Dagmar | Not without implementing your own state engine that parses the whole thing |
| 22:05.25 | Dagmar | ...and that's liable to fall apart for hardware blessin' of keypresses |
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| 22:08.15 | mckenziemc | i'm not sure what you mean, but i'm wondering if i can use secure-state headers to do what i want. i'm not familiar with them, but i'm guessing i can set one to use one state while a key is held, and another when the key is released |
| 22:10.42 | sylvanaar | i want to make a good screencast to demo my editor, anyone care to watch the ones i have and give me some feedback? |
| 22:11.21 | Dagmar | mckenziemc: THat would be the way to go, I'd think--just to avoid losing the hardware blessing |
| 22:11.42 | Dagmar | *Normally* modifiers are handled by the keyboard driver itself |
| 22:12.37 | mckenziemc | ah |
| 22:13.14 | Dagmar | For AT keyboards I am pretty sure that was the case and I don't expect it's changed for PS/2 ones, but I will say I've not sat down and looked at the scancodes that come out of one recently to be 100% certain |
| 22:13.26 | mckenziemc | were you suggesting something that would operate at the driver or OS level? |
| 22:13.48 | Dagmar | Oh no. Too much trouble, for one thing |
| 22:14.22 | Dagmar | In theory you could do it with the Logitech G15's scripting capabilities, but at Blizz's request the lua interface in that is disabled when WoW is run |
| 22:14.33 | mckenziemc | Warden might not like it, for another xD |
| 22:14.39 | Dagmar | Yep, there's that |
| 22:15.50 | mckenziemc | hmm, going off on a tangent, i know Microsoft has some software that lets you create a custom keyboard layout. I wonder if it would let you rearrange the modifier keys O.o |
| 22:18.27 | foxlit | No |
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| 22:22.43 | mckenziemc | makes sense; it might cause some severe havoc |
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| 22:45.35 | mckenziemc | how do i tell when it's safe to hook a normally-secure function? i don't really understand how taint spreads :( |
| 22:49.25 | Adys | you might wanna ask your MD about that |
| 22:49.41 | mckenziemc | coughs on Adys. |
| 22:50.22 | Adys | brb |
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| 23:07.11 | Maldivia | ... ok, I know Lady Gaga likes to dress up for red carpet events.... but this is just ridiculous: http://cdn.buzznet.com/media/jj1/2011/02/gaga-grammys/rihanna-gucci-rocnation-01.jpg |
| 23:10.25 | amro | what is that supposed to be? |
| 23:10.37 | Maldivia | an egg |
| 23:10.39 | Maldivia | I assume? |
| 23:10.45 | Adys | IT'S A BOMB |
| 23:10.45 | Adys | DUCK |
| 23:10.52 | amro | no |
| 23:11.01 | amro | by it I meant the whole thing |
| 23:11.14 | amro | ALSO OMG THEY PUT THE BLACK GUY IN THE BACK |
| 23:11.18 | amro | CALL JESSE JACKSON |
| 23:12.23 | Maldivia | amro: I think it's called making an entrance |
| 23:12.40 | Adys | did they do the twirl? |
| 23:13.38 | amro | Maldivia: you mean they're going to use the eggbomb to blast a hole in the wall? |
| 23:13.58 | Maldivia | amro: I have no idea |
| 23:14.09 | Maldivia | ... but who knows what goes on inside her head |
| 23:14.20 | batrick | Shirik: ! |
| 23:17.12 | amro | Shirik: help, nmake is failing hard |
| 23:18.07 | Adys | Shirik: you worked with AI right? |
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| 23:46.09 | airtonix | Shirik: what colour should i spray my elephants!!!?!?!??!! |
| 23:46.36 | mckenziemc | off-white |
| 23:46.44 | airtonix | hey mckenziemc |
| 23:46.53 | airtonix | but you are not Shirik |
| 23:47.10 | mckenziemc | i'm not? O.o |
| 23:47.20 | airtonix | yes, but for a price i could be convinced otherwise |
| 23:49.48 | Jerub | :'( |
| 23:49.55 | Jerub | i'm 2 rare artefacts short of Professor |
| 23:50.49 | airtonix | fidgets |
| 23:55.21 | amro | NMAKE : fatal error U1077: 'cl.exe' : return code '0x2' |
| 23:55.23 | amro | Shirik: ! |
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| 23:59.31 | Kraps | what the heck, i comment on a youtube video thanking the guy for uploading an episode of the twilight zone, now hes youtube-stalking me |
