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| 00:28.04 | batbot | Shirik fears to duel a bot, what a coward. |
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| 00:43.00 | Adys | Anyone who plays starcraft and has access to (if possible, small) .mpqe files? |
| 00:43.18 | Adys | they're in the installer from what I understand |
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| 00:46.27 | Maldivia | there are two mpqe files, the time of 7gigs and ui2 of 40mb |
| 00:46.31 | Maldivia | tome* |
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| 00:57.18 | Ackis | so some dude locked his wife in the cellar for 16 years |
| 00:57.38 | Ackis | http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3377731/Wife-locked-in-cellar-for-16-years.html |
| 00:57.47 | Ackis | shit if I did that I would've starved long before 16 years |
| 01:02.52 | Corrodias | heheh |
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| 01:46.13 | bleeter | fwiw, github now publishing DCMA takedown notices they receive https://github.com/github/dmca - thanks tekkub for such open-nessnessness :) |
| 01:46.38 | tekkub | and people are already bitching that the big legal docs look shitty |
| 01:46.43 | tekkub | ugh, designers |
| 01:46.57 | tekkub | there's a reason this shit looks like it was written by a lawyer |
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| 01:49.41 | bleeter | ah well, think of it as an effective dumbfuck detector |
| 01:50.33 | Primer | Anyone here scrape battle.net for calendar info? |
| 01:51.09 | Primer | I had a working calendar scraper and a javascript front end to show my toon's calendar on my web site, but they changed it a long time ago |
| 01:51.21 | Primer | changed the format and/or access method |
| 01:51.36 | kd3 | the new armory sucks for scraping |
| 01:51.59 | Primer | It'd be nice if they could just make it a feed |
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| 01:55.34 | ShaunDreclin | Hey, I used MiniMapster to get a square minimap, but all the icons (The arrows and stuff) are still bound to a circle. Is there any way to change that? |
| 01:55.47 | bleeter | tekkub: gotta say I do like how you provide a 'private illegal server'... really? |
| 01:56.00 | bleeter | s/you/github/ |
| 01:56.12 | tekkub | not us |
| 01:56.19 | tekkub | and it's some shitty korean game |
| 01:56.30 | bleeter | I'd be all 'fuck off and phrase it right, moron' |
| 01:56.31 | tekkub | they've files a takedown before I think |
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| 01:56.49 | tekkub | I would too, but we can't, the user that owns the repo needs to |
| 01:57.08 | bleeter | ah right, wasn't clear whether you had that power |
| 01:57.20 | bleeter | afaik her in Aus, we can still do that. |
| 01:57.36 | bleeter | no-one's tried to pull a DCMA here over the FTA we have with US (afaik) |
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| 02:08.34 | Ackis | silly americans and their dmca's |
| 02:08.59 | ShaunDreclin | In soviet russia, DMCA files you! |
| 02:10.44 | mckenziemc | FTA = ? |
| 02:11.15 | Iriel | I guessed Free trade agreement |
| 02:11.31 | tekkub | I thought it was Fuck That Ass |
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| 02:29.11 | bleeter | yeah, free trade. there's some funny clause in it which could be used for DCMA in Aus. Something about respecting each other's (C) laws and Tech Protection Measures etc. |
| 02:29.32 | bleeter | can't see anything ever happening as it'd be an arse case to prosecute here. much easier to just extradite. |
| 02:38.10 | tekkub | respecing the copyright is one thing |
| 02:38.30 | tekkub | forcing DMCA takedown procedure is another |
| 03:06.30 | Adys | Cide: ping |
| 03:06.34 | Cide | yes |
| 03:06.53 | Adys | Cide: I have a str subclass here |
| 03:06.59 | Adys | basically i want to do something like |
| 03:07.16 | Adys | myclass("some/long/string") |
| 03:08.01 | Adys | and in __init__ I split that string; I want the actual string to be the last bit, and store the rest in self.name |
| 03:08.23 | Adys | problem is, I can't do that apparently =( |
| 03:08.47 | Adys | http://dpaste.com/364524/ |
| 03:08.57 | Adys | ./main.py:106: DeprecationWarning: object.__init__() takes no parameters |
| 03:10.22 | Adys | hmm |
| 03:10.30 | Adys | i should override __new__ |
| 03:10.51 | Cide | is it a file path? |
| 03:10.56 | Adys | yea |
| 03:11.20 | Cide | os.path.split(path)Split the pathname path into a pair, (head, tail) where tail is the last pathname component and head is everything leading up to that. |
| 03:11.32 | Adys | its not a real file path |
| 03:11.38 | Cide | doesn't have to be |
| 03:11.41 | Cide | it just checks slashes |
| 03:11.56 | Adys | yes, it has to be, because os.path is platform-dependent |
| 03:12.06 | Cide | In all cases, join(head, tail) returns a path to the same location as path (but the strings may differ). |
| 03:12.08 | Adys | and this isnt exactly what Im using it for anyway |
| 03:12.24 | Adys | yea but thats not the issue |
| 03:12.34 | Cide | split("foo/bar/baz") => ("foo/bar", "baz") |
| 03:12.35 | Cide | on windows |
| 03:12.47 | Adys | its a windows filepath |
| 03:12.49 | Adys | again, not the issue |
| 03:12.59 | Cide | what is the issue then |
| 03:13.21 | Cide | oh |
| 03:13.29 | Adys | the issue is that with StringSubclass("foo/bar/baz") you cant modify the foo |
| 03:13.29 | Cide | you're subclassing string |
| 03:13.31 | Adys | yes |
| 03:13.41 | Adys | since its immutable i cant do anything about it |
| 03:14.49 | Adys | def __new__(self, path): self.filename = path; _, name = splitpath(path); return name |
| 03:14.52 | Adys | this doesnt work either :( |
| 03:15.03 | Adys | because isinstance(foo, Directory) fails |
| 03:15.30 | Adys | OH |
| 03:15.33 | Adys | im an idiot |
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| 03:17.50 | Cide | yes |
| 03:18.11 | Cide | new doesn't even take self |
| 03:18.17 | Cide | it takes cls |
| 03:18.26 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:18.31 | Adys | this calls __new__ recursively |
| 03:18.34 | Adys | how am I supposed to do this? |
| 03:18.44 | Cide | super(Directory, cls).__new__ |
| 03:18.48 | Adys | oh right |
| 03:18.50 | Cide | instead of cls() |
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| 03:19.14 | Cide | or just str.__new__(cls, name) |
| 03:22.13 | Adys | sweet bitching of wyoming |
| 03:22.14 | Adys | it works \o/ |
| 03:23.25 | Adys | Cide: https://github.com/Adys/mpqt/commit/50e0b55406d28e44bc8271f194dea426ec14415e |
| 03:28.24 | Adys | god this wrapper is bad >< |
| 03:32.59 | Cide | I don't see why you would want to represent a directory as a string subclass personally |
| 03:33.10 | Cide | seems very strange! |
| 03:33.47 | Cide | though your explanation in the docstring isn't that bad I suppose |
| 03:33.56 | Cide | I'd just go with subclassing object and defining __unicode__ |
| 03:33.59 | Adys | to be fair it doesn't make much sense now |
| 03:34.23 | Adys | but right now Im trying to work out how data() works |
| 03:34.38 | Adys | in the code i linked, data() returns a string (the plain path) |
| 03:34.46 | Adys | but i should return the actual object... right? |
| 03:35.02 | Adys | problem is, if i do, even if i defined __str__ and __repr__ in the object, it shows empty on the list. |
| 03:36.58 | Cide | not following |
| 03:37.40 | Adys | https://github.com/Adys/mpqt/blob/50e0b55406d28e44bc8271f194dea426ec14415e/main.py#L146 |
| 03:37.54 | Cide | not sure how that works |
| 03:38.15 | Adys | its this |
| 03:38.15 | Adys | http://doc.qt.nokia.com/latest/qabstractitemmodel.html#data |
| 03:38.17 | Cide | __str__ and __repr__ and the like only give a string when something is evaluated as a string |
| 03:38.30 | Adys | yeah |
| 03:38.51 | Cide | ya, data should probably return the object |
| 03:38.59 | Adys | well, i changed it to do that |
| 03:39.00 | Adys | but |
| 03:39.13 | Adys | it shows up empty on the listview now |
| 03:39.15 | Cide | need to figure out how you take the data object and transform it to display value |
| 03:39.40 | Adys | http://i.imgur.com/LB0hN.png |
| 03:40.39 | Adys | printing the data() shows up fine as a string |
| 03:45.03 | Adys | fucks sake. |
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| 03:56.45 | Scotepi | im trying to update a tooltip and change the text color however, _G["GameTooltipTextRight"..i]:SetText(textRight1, r,g,b,1,0); isn't changing the color... and yes the r g b are correct |
| 03:56.53 | Scotepi | the text is updating fine but not the color |
| 03:59.01 | Scotepi | im also calling GameTooltip:Show(); after it... ill try and make a macro example |
| 04:01.51 | Scotepi | hers a non working demo /run GameTooltip:AddLine('before', 1,0,0);GameTooltip:Show();a=GameTooltip:NumLines();_G["GameTooltipTextLeft"..a]:SetText('after',0,1,0);GameTooltip:Show(); |
| 04:02.16 | Scotepi | should be red then green but it stays red |
| 04:02.54 | Adys | not the actual solution but have you tried using embedded color codes instead of color args? |
| 04:03.09 | Adys | actually i dont remember whether tooltip supports that |
| 04:03.22 | Scotepi | ill test once i find a color code, lol |
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| 04:05.41 | Adys | Scotepi: |crrggbbaaYourText|r |
| 04:06.13 | Scotepi | i was looking for \124 |
| 04:06.17 | Scotepi | so i can macro it |
| 04:06.52 | Scotepi | that works... /run GameTooltip:AddLine('\124cFFbbbbbbbefore\124r', 1,0,0);GameTooltip:Show();a=GameTooltip:NumLines();_G["GameTooltipTextLeft"..a]:SetText('\124cFF216bffafter\124r',0,1,0);GameTooltip:Show(); |
| 04:06.57 | Scotepi | goes from gray to blue |
| 04:07.32 | Scotepi | now to convert my r g b ints to hex >< i know i can use tonumber() to go the other way |
| 04:10.05 | Adys | Scotepi: hexadecimal is a numerical display convention, so you need string formatting |
| 04:10.15 | Scotepi | found http://www.wowpedia.org/RGBPercToHex |
| 04:10.32 | Adys | lua> ("%x, %X"):(1234, 1234) |
| 04:10.36 | Adys | lua> ("%x, %X"):format(1234, 1234) |
| 04:10.51 | lua_bot | Adys: luabot:1: '<name>' expected near '(' |
| 04:10.53 | lua_bot | Adys: 4d2, 4D2 |
| 04:34.14 | Scotepi | how can i find out if a heirloom maxes out at 80 or 85? GetItemInfo doesn't show any differance |
| 04:34.42 | Cide | are there any 85 heirlooms at all? |
| 04:34.48 | Adys | yes, guild rewaters |
| 04:34.50 | Adys | Scotepi: tooltip scan |
| 04:34.59 | Scotepi | yes |
| 04:35.03 | Scotepi | gah, not more tooltips!! |
| 04:35.54 | Adys | Scotepi: i had a mini-lib for it if you like |
| 04:36.23 | Scotepi | i dont think it will work, im inspecting people |
| 04:36.37 | Adys | a mini lib for tooltip scans i meant |
| 04:37.19 | Adys | Scotepi: https://github.com/Adys/findit/blob/master/FindIt/LibWeagleTooltip.lua |
| 04:37.32 | Scotepi | ah!! git! lol |
| 04:37.50 | Adys | hm? |
| 04:38.11 | Scotepi | i learned csv and then svn came out, im still getting hang of advanced svn and now git is everywhere >< |
| 04:38.34 | Adys | why the f would anyone learn csv |
| 04:38.35 | Adys | ever |
| 04:38.48 | Adys | even when it was the only thing around it made no sense |
| 04:39.13 | Adys | anyway you can just embed this |
| 04:39.13 | Adys | https://github.com/Adys/findit/raw/master/FindIt/LibWeagleTooltip.lua |
| 04:40.27 | Scotepi | ohh.. been wondering how to do this |
| 04:40.28 | Scotepi | side = side or "Left" |
| 04:41.13 | Adys | do what? |
| 04:41.47 | Scotepi | if a value isnt defined when calling a function, in php im used to somefunc($val='default') |
| 04:42.12 | Adys | so you know both cvs AND php |
| 04:42.25 | Adys | are you into any weird fetishes too? |
| 04:42.32 | Scotepi | i dont rember cvs that was a looooong time ago |
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| 04:42.59 | Scotepi | other then wow, no |
| 04:46.35 | bleeter | Adys: lol |
| 04:53.28 | mckenziemc | doesn't understand some people |
| 04:54.29 | karl_w_w | doesn't understand mckenziemc |
| 04:54.38 | mckenziemc | the tank in this group has 2 minutes rez sickness when he joins, says 'brb 2 minutes sickness', i ask why he couldn't wait two minutes to queue and his response is "i know, i'm with a friend that's why" |
| 04:54.56 | karl_w_w | o.O |
| 04:55.35 | karl_w_w | i assume it wasn't a run already in progress? |
| 04:56.54 | mckenziemc | actually it was, but the tank and healer were the ones who joined |
| 04:57.21 | karl_w_w | lol |
| 04:57.43 | karl_w_w | maybe they thought... |
| 04:57.57 | karl_w_w | a tank and healer queuing together would get a long wait time? idk |
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| 05:04.45 | karl_w_w | wtf |
| 05:04.54 | karl_w_w | my ext HD has come back from the dead |
| 05:05.30 | karl_w_w | that is just freaky it was completely unresponsive yesterday |
| 05:06.40 | karl_w_w | time for 1tb of disk checking |
| 05:10.42 | karl_w_w | hope to god there's nothing mechanically wrong with it |
| 05:12.43 | mckenziemc | dd |
| 05:22.46 | mckenziemc | "sorry, i am not a good healer till level 55" |
| 05:25.30 | Corrodias | hm |
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| 05:44.11 | Scotepi | is Blizzard_InspectUI\InspectPaperDollFrame.lua line 23 a blizzard coding error? |
| 05:50.55 | Nobgul | paste the line lol |
| 05:55.16 | Scotepi | http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser/live/AddOns/Blizzard_InspectUI/InspectPaperDollFrame.lua doesnt have line numbers >< |
| 05:55.25 | Scotepi | i think its local unit, level = InspectFrame.unit, UnitLevel(InspectFrame.unit); |
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| 05:56.06 | Adys | what about it? |
| 05:56.28 | Scotepi | I get a error on that line every once and a while, it seams random |
| 05:56.38 | karl_w_w | without any addons? |
| 05:56.52 | Adys | what error? |
| 05:56.57 | Adys | you said you were messing with the inspect frame |
| 05:57.06 | Scotepi | i get it a lot when testing my addon that inspects people |
| 05:57.18 | Scotepi | i dont touch the frame tho |
| 05:57.30 | Adys | again, what error? |
| 05:57.50 | Scotepi | i exited game now.. its about UnitLevel |
| 05:58.29 | Adys | cant help if i dont know the err |
| 05:58.34 | Scotepi | ...\\AddOns\\Blizzard_InspectUI\\InspectPaperDollFrame.lua:23: Usage: UnitLevel(\"unit\") |
| 05:58.34 | Adys | most likely you're screwing up some trigger or call or anything that sets InspectFrame.unit |
| 05:58.46 | Adys | right |
| 05:58.53 | Adys | so inspectframe.unit is likely nil |
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| 05:59.55 | Scotepi | I do NotifyInspect(target), always 'target' for now... and then loop GetInventoryItemLink(target, i); |
| 06:05.08 | Fisker | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:12.17 | Ackis | meow Fisker |
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| 06:12.22 | karl_w_w | somebody broke the Fisker bot again |
| 06:13.52 | Fisker | i did it Ackis |
| 06:14.07 | Fisker | i broke 200GB on my monthly bandwitdh |
| 06:15.35 | karl_w_w | too much porn |
| 06:16.15 | Fisker | no! |
| 06:16.48 | Fisker | gonna get some moar sleep |
| 06:17.05 | Fisker | and lock my computer this time |
| 06:23.35 | mckenziemc | ~fiskerslap Fisker |
| 06:23.36 | purl | ACTION slaps Fisker around a bit with Fisker. |
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| 06:42.58 | bluspacecow | ~fiskerslap Bluspacecow |
| 06:42.58 | purl | ACTION slaps Bluspacecow around a bit with Fisker. |
| 06:46.06 | mckenziemc | ~whaletrout bluspacecow |
| 06:46.06 | purl | ACTION slaps bluspacecow with Hugh's more acrobatic cousin, Milliardo, who in turn slaps bluspacecow around a bit with a large trout |
| 06:46.18 | bluspacecow | O_O |
| 06:47.11 | mckenziemc | ~listkeys trout |
| 06:47.39 | mckenziemc | ~literal troutslap |
| 06:47.56 | mckenziemc | ~literal cmd: troutslap (.*?) |
| 06:47.56 | purl | "cmd: troutslap (.*?)" is "($1): <action> slaps $1 around with a large trout" |
| 06:48.10 | mckenziemc | ~literal cmd: trout (.*?) |
| 06:48.10 | purl | "cmd: trout (.*?)" is "($foo): <action> slaps $foo around a bit with a large trout!" |
| 06:50.16 | mckenziemc | ~factinfo cmd: troutslap (.*?) |
| 06:50.16 | purl | cmd: troutslap (.*?) -- created by TimRiker <~timr@proxyle02.ext.ti.com> at Tue Nov 25 19:42:09 2003 (2621 days); it has been requested 12 times, last by ccox at Thu Dec 16 10:47:59 2010. |
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| 06:51.59 | mckenziemc | moonbeams shining through a mountain ftw |
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| 06:57.19 | bluspacecow | !troutslap Bluspacecow |
| 07:00.23 | mckenziemc | slaps bluspacecow around a bit with a solid mahogany desk. |
| 07:00.46 | bluspacecow | O_O |
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| 07:05.44 | mckenziemc | ~brand quiescens Fisker |
| 07:05.44 | purl | ACTION grabs a branding iron & stamps a big Fisker on quiescens's forehead |
| 07:07.34 | mckenziemc | ~listkeys cattlebrand |
| 07:07.50 | mckenziemc | purl, cattlebrand is <action> brands quiescens. |
| 07:07.50 | purl | mckenziemc: okay |
| 07:09.31 | mckenziemc | meant that stuff to be in #wowace but w/e |
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| 07:46.35 | karl_w_w | ok so ive got a new screen but certain screen elements (like name plates and speech bubbles) are huge, anybody got any ideas? :P |
| 07:47.39 | Adys | kd3! |
| 07:47.47 | Adys | http://i.imgur.com/AwAAP.png |
| 07:47.49 | Adys | progress |
| 07:47.50 | Adys | \o/ |
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| 07:57.28 | mckenziemc | skins Adys. |
| 07:59.42 | mckenziemc | casts Invisibility to drop any subsequent aggro. |
| 08:07.01 | karl_w_w | Adys would kill you within 3 seconds |
| 08:07.23 | Adys | I can light you on fire without even striking a match. |
| 08:08.41 | mikma | http://failblog.org/2011/01/26/epic-fail-video-kinect-awareness-fail/ |
| 08:08.47 | mikma | oh fucking c'mon |
| 08:08.58 | mikma | why play games like that when there's kids present |
| 08:13.47 | mikma | http://idle.slashdot.org/story/11/01/28/1228241/Spam-Text-Prematurely-Blows-Up-S |
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| 08:15.24 | mikma | fisker: http://failblog.org/2011/01/25/m-thru-f-why-so-blue/ |
| 08:15.36 | Adys | Defending forces will receive a 200% capture speed bonus when they control all 3 keeps. |
| 08:15.39 | Adys | what? |
| 08:17.42 | mikma | adys: http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/30e1c27e-076c-44aa-9fa7-aa604539b5a1.jpg |
| 08:31.26 | karl_w_w | yeah that doesnt make any sense |
| 08:33.21 | Jerub | i saw some neat kinect stuff this week |
| 08:35.27 | Jerub | joxer did a demo of how he has his kinect set up to interact with his home automation systems. closing blinds and stuff with gestures |
| 08:39.29 | karl_w_w | spriest who always complains about having no interrupts but doesnt spec silence because "Its a pvp shit talent." |
| 08:45.00 | mikma | http://open.spotify.com/track/6cnM7voHnNJXfnQxZfbJmM |
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| 09:10.43 | Adys | contextMenu.addAction("Extract").triggered().connect(self.extract).setDisabled(not view.selectedIndexes()) |
| 09:10.45 | Adys | <3 PySide |
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| 09:21.26 | Fisker | i'm gonna guess it's a pebkac stop 0x0000007b |
| 09:21.28 | Fisker | mikma |
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| 09:29.09 | Fisker | slaps jnwhiteh around a bit with a large trout |
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| 09:39.53 | Fisker | throws a bar of soap on the floor |
| 09:40.09 | mckenziemc1 | ~fiskerslap a BSOD |
| 09:40.09 | purl | ACTION slaps a BSOD around a bit with Fisker. |
| 09:40.26 | Fisker | mckenziemc1 |
| 09:40.35 | Fisker | so you thought you could slap me |
| 09:42.29 | Adys | hahah |
| 09:42.31 | Adys | try: |
| 09:42.32 | Adys | os.makedirs(os.path.dirname(local_path)) |
| 09:42.32 | Adys | except Exception: |
| 09:42.32 | Adys | pass |
| 09:42.39 | Adys | yeah that's real smart.. |
| 09:43.17 | mckenziemc1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:46.56 | Adys | ughgnghnhnhnhnhn |
| 09:47.04 | Adys | shoots a dead cow |
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| 10:19.54 | Fisker | wanna make out mckenziemc ? |
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| 10:27.58 | Fisker | Elkano |
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| 10:36.16 | Jamash | anyone here have a murloc costume and a sandstone drake? |
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| 11:01.22 | Adys | vjeux: ping |
| 11:07.29 | Arrowmaster | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAG39jKi0lI |
| 11:08.08 | Arrowmaster | that is pure fucking monty python style |
| 11:08.34 | Adys | i thought the same thing after 2 seconds within the video |
| 11:08.37 | Adys | literally 2 seconds |
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| 11:51.43 | Fisker | Dotted |
| 11:55.22 | Fisker | Arrowmaster |
| 11:59.21 | mikma | Oh goodie. fisker has learned how to use /me |
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| 12:05.07 | cbreak | what do you people do when an addon site requires a screenshot upload but your addon has nothing that could be screenshotted? |
| 12:05.16 | cbreak | I thought about just making a screenshot of the code and uploading that |
| 12:05.23 | greppy | cbreak: go for it. |
| 12:06.08 | nevcairiel | some people upload a dummy image with some smartass text in it :P |
| 12:10.56 | zenzelezz | yup |
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| 12:16.34 | karl_w_w | http://i56.tinypic.com/o8fbqf.png o.O |
| 12:17.05 | cbreak | interesting |
| 12:17.22 | cbreak | surfing to youtube or something? :) |
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| 12:17.48 | karl_w_w | yes but it was already like that before then :P |
| 12:17.54 | karl_w_w | why would youtube make a difference? |
| 12:18.08 | cbreak | because flash is not the most efficient plugin |
| 12:18.44 | karl_w_w | that's in plugin-container, given i use firefox :P |
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| 12:22.28 | zenzelezz | I don't see how that has anything to do with Youtube; that's explorer.exe... even Flash shouldn't be putting stuff in the shell |
| 12:22.50 | zenzelezz | looks more like some haywire shell extension |
| 12:23.03 | Fisker | i think he thinks explorer = internet explorer |
| 12:23.13 | Fisker | because he's a n00b cbreak |
| 12:23.17 | Fisker | Cairenn |
| 12:23.18 | zenzelezz | tickles Cairenn |
| 12:23.21 | Fisker | isn't cbreak a n00b? |
| 12:23.28 | Cairenn | morning :) |
| 12:23.39 | zenzelezz | you're up early? |
| 12:24.22 | Cairenn | yeah |
| 12:24.32 | Fisker | i'll take that as a response to me Cairenn |
| 12:24.37 | Cairenn | lol |
| 12:24.41 | Fisker | cbreak is a n00b, Cairenn approved. |
| 12:30.33 | cbreak | Fisker: you might not know it, but internet explorer is inseparable part of the windows operating system, since it is used by explorer :) |
| 12:30.42 | cbreak | they even got sentenced for that |
| 12:31.44 | Fisker | It is separable from windows cbreak |
| 12:31.58 | Fisker | There are just some components of the shell that rely on it |
| 12:32.07 | Fisker | or any other rendered |
| 12:32.09 | Fisker | renderer* |
| 12:32.15 | cbreak | the shell that comes with windows is worthless anyway |
| 12:32.36 | cbreak | PowerShell is a bit better |
| 12:32.46 | cbreak | wonder why it's not the default |
| 12:33.11 | Fisker | i hate you cbreak |
| 12:35.34 | karl_w_w | lol |
| 12:39.49 | cbreak | I feel honored. |
| 12:48.24 | zenzelezz | <cbreak> the shell that comes with windows is worthless anyway <--- you're mixing up the *nix "shell" and Windows "shell" concepts |
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| 12:59.03 | amro | cmd.exe epitomizes uselessness |
| 12:59.51 | zenzelezz | perhaps, but that's not what Windows considers to be the shell |
| 13:01.11 | amro | I think it's called the command line shell, while explorer.exe is the shell |
| 13:01.33 | zenzelezz | hm... I haven't heard the former of those terms, but I could see that being the case |
| 13:03.58 | cbreak | I heard people call the explorer explorer |
| 13:04.01 | cbreak | but not shell |
| 13:04.38 | nebula169 | explorer is the windows shell |
| 13:04.47 | zenzelezz | http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb773177%28v=vs.85%29.aspx + http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_shell |
| 13:04.53 | nebula169 | cmd.exe is just an interpreter |
| 13:05.29 | cbreak | well, microsoft calls their PowerShell shell |
| 13:06.44 | Arrowmaster | microsoft has always had that confusion about calling two different things the shell |
| 13:09.09 | Mikk | embrace extend e... |
| 13:09.16 | Mikk | extinguish? |
| 13:09.39 | Mikk | exterminate? |
| 13:11.48 | Mikk | ""Embrace, extend and extinguish,"[1] also known as "Embrace, extend and exterminate,"[2] is a phrase that the U.S. Department of Justice found[3] was used internally by Microsoft[4] to describe its strategy for entering product categories involving widely used standards, extending those standards with proprietary capabilities, and then using those differences to disadvantage its competitors." |
| 13:12.29 | Fisker | EXTERMINATE |
| 13:12.59 | Mikk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLcns2KHDTE |
| 13:13.19 | Mikk | is oldfart obviously |
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| 13:16.05 | harl | hello |
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| 13:58.34 | amro | arrests Fisker |
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| 14:14.55 | DJJeff | hands Fisker a single red Rose! @-}--}--- |
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| 14:39.22 | Adys | kd3! |
| 14:42.44 | Jerub | ffs. |
| 14:42.48 | Jerub | doing the dungeon elders quests |
| 14:42.53 | Jerub | hit the instance/hour limit |
| 14:44.45 | Nobgul | it resets quick though |
| 14:46.03 | mikma | jerub: gl in azjul nerub, lol |
| 14:46.16 | mikma | and in utgarde pinnacle + keep |
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| 14:47.30 | Jerub | already done UP |
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| 14:47.49 | Jerub | didn't see UK on the list, will have to pop back |
| 14:48.02 | mikma | its in the list :P |
| 14:48.09 | Jerub | i'm standing at nexus |
| 14:48.11 | mikma | cause i did the achievement on my rogue |
| 14:48.11 | Jerub | i'm druid |
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| 14:48.18 | Jerub | kitty stealth + bear form |
| 14:48.30 | mikma | altho, azjulnerub was the only instance i had to get help |
| 14:48.30 | Jerub | i took out the boss in UP solo no worries |
| 14:49.02 | mikma | the first boss + adds were enough to almost buttraoe my rogue. <3 vanish tho |
| 14:49.10 | Nobgul | lol |
| 14:49.30 | Jerub | where is he in AN? after 1st boss? |
| 14:49.37 | mikma | uk and up was no problem, i could solo the hallway with the dude flying over with the dragon |
| 14:50.14 | mikma | after second (spider) boss. right after you drop down from the hole into the long long fall into the water |
| 14:50.20 | Jerub | dang, there |
| 14:51.12 | mikma | just singlepull the watcher-packs and after those kill boss |
| 14:51.18 | mikma | then stealth pass the spider |
| 14:52.11 | Jerub | i wish i knew how long it will take before i can do next instance |
| 14:52.29 | mikma | 15mins |
| 14:52.38 | mikma | thats how long i had to wait |
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| 14:55.21 | zenzelezz | "Meanwhile, there are sites that will reveal the exact tweet that turned people off your Twitter account." - if by "the exact tweet" you mean "the last tweet you made before they stopped following you", which I find it unlikely to be the main reason why someone stopped following you |
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| 14:59.17 | mikma | zenzelezz: that kind of service would be good for facepalm. i stopped following my friend afvter she just uploaded duckfaces and fuckme-miniskirts -pictures of herself and her status' were like "nom chickensalad with peach" which had 50 likds and 22 comments... |
| 15:00.05 | mikma | enough is enough, we all know you're a stinking whore |
| 15:00.25 | zenzelezz | mikma: aye, had a few similar experiences |
| 15:00.58 | mikma | oh.... also the "i photoshopped myself to have a piercing, should i get it?" |
| 15:01.02 | Jerub | damn |
| 15:01.15 | Jerub | we have to own WG to get that elder |
| 15:01.39 | mikma | oh yes... took me a day to wait that moment |
| 15:01.59 | mikma | jerub: unless... the gate is smashed |
| 15:02.10 | mikma | then you can get in |
| 15:02.12 | zenzelezz | mikma: I'm about to unfollow a friend on Twitter cause she keeps replying to people by starting with "RT @someone"... so they *all* end up in my stream |
| 15:03.07 | zenzelezz | incidentally, I hate when people still do the "RT" thing instead of clicking the nice Retweet button |
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| 15:04.05 | mikma | rt = ? |
| 15:04.29 | Jerub | mikma: that would mean we were swapping it at any point |
| 15:04.59 | Jerub | mikma: RT means, "i'm repeating someone someone else said but putting my name at the start" |
| 15:05.54 | zenzelezz | mikma: RT = re-tweet. Artifact from before Twitter implemented a mechanism for doing it |
| 15:06.04 | zenzelezz | sadly a lot of people haven't caught on still |
| 15:12.16 | Jerub | stupid web wraps |
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| 15:26.27 | Fisker | retardtwit zenzelezz |
| 15:26.28 | Fisker | imo |
| 15:39.37 | Pneumatus | that's all of them, isnt it? |
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| 15:42.13 | cm100 | i frikken hate coding wow addons |
| 15:42.20 | cm100 | and lua is the worse.. scripting.. language.. EVER |
| 15:42.36 | Wobin | maybe you should stop |
| 15:42.37 | amro | ~kill cm100 |
| 15:42.37 | purl | ACTION shoots a magneto-ionized pseudoneutrino gun at cm100 |
| 15:42.58 | Wobin | and you clearly haven't tried to read someone elses perl script =P |
| 15:43.32 | amro | (or his own) |
| 15:43.55 | Wobin | amro: (goes without saying, once you write a perl script, it immediately becomes as readable as someone elses) |
| 15:44.33 | cm100 | seems like all my frikken frames in my addon just refuses to load |
| 15:44.54 | Wobin | and, as scripting languages generally go, in regards to Lua, I can only suggest HTFU =) |
| 15:45.27 | zenzelezz | if your frames "refuse to load", are you using XML? |
| 15:47.12 | cm100 | yes, but seems like some code in one of my frame's onupdate is making the whole xml not being loaded |
| 15:47.38 | zenzelezz | if XML frames aren't loading, you should first check your FrameXML.log; usually it's just an XML error |
| 15:47.40 | cm100 | i mean, how the heck would you figure that out without starting to remove 90% of your code |
| 15:47.55 | Wobin | just like you would, any -other- scripting language |
| 15:47.58 | Wobin | put in debug statements |
| 15:48.12 | cm100 | you mean chat-messages? |
| 15:48.17 | Wobin | yes |
| 15:48.23 | Nobgul | or a log window |
| 15:48.27 | cm100 | where is the SDK? where is the VM? |
| 15:48.32 | Nobgul | like lulia did with powerbars |
| 15:48.38 | Nobgul | sdk vm |
| 15:48.40 | Nobgul | >_< |
| 15:48.52 | cm100 | how do i step in and over functions? |
| 15:48.52 | Nobgul | Im going back to what i was doing. |
| 15:48.56 | Wobin | HTFU =P |
| 15:48.59 | Wobin | learn to code |
| 15:49.04 | cm100 | HTFU? |
| 15:49.05 | Wobin | learn to debug |
| 15:49.09 | Wobin | Harden The Fuck Up |
| 15:49.23 | cm100 | Wobin: This is like making things work in IE6, no help at all |
| 15:49.29 | Wobin | Stop whining about it, and -do- something about it |
| 15:49.44 | Wobin | The VM is the game |
| 15:49.47 | cm100 | But seriously, 6 years gone - why can't blizzard have created a SDK? |
| 15:49.52 | Wobin | the SDK is PiL |
| 15:49.52 | Nobgul | lul |
| 15:49.53 | zenzelezz | cm100: it's pretty simple... either deal with it or stop; cause it's not going to change |
| 15:50.01 | Wobin | because they don't want to support it. |
| 15:50.05 | Wobin | It's really very very simple |
| 15:50.05 | zenzelezz | cm100: because they don't *need* an SDK |
| 15:50.13 | Mikk | why would they do that when they get everything they need anyway? |
| 15:50.21 | cm100 | zenzelezz: im pretty sure they have one.. interally atleast |
| 15:50.22 | zenzelezz | the thousands of others who manage to make big addons says "it works fine the way it is" |
| 15:50.31 | Wobin | They don't want every two bit addon programmer hammering at their door saying "WHY DON'T THIS WURK?" |
| 15:50.33 | cm100 | zenzelezz: i dont think their gui developers are going /reload ui all the time |
| 15:50.40 | zenzelezz | I do |
| 15:50.41 | Wobin | cm100: I bet they are |
| 15:50.44 | Nobgul | as do i |
| 15:50.49 | Jerub | grumble |
| 15:50.52 | cm100 | Wobin: im pretty sure they dont |
| 15:50.55 | Jerub | waiting outside zul'farrak |
| 15:50.56 | Wobin | haha |
| 15:51.02 | Nobgul | lol Jerub. |
| 15:51.03 | Wobin | I'm pretty sure they do |
| 15:51.07 | zenzelezz | cm100: that's okay, you're allowed to be wrong |
| 15:51.23 | cm100 | Wobin: well, im pretty sure you are pretty sure about something that is pretty sure incorrect! |
| 15:51.25 | Wobin | cm100: Perhaps you could try not loading all 100 of your current addons when debugging your single one |
| 15:51.35 | Wobin | cm100: How long have you been writing wow addons? |
| 15:51.52 | zenzelezz | or even why are you bothering when it's so painful to you? |
| 15:51.55 | Wobin | Cause I hate to bring up senority here =P |
| 15:51.59 | cm100 | Wobin: i did a couple when wow launched and just picked it up again. |
| 15:52.02 | Wobin | yeah |
| 15:52.12 | Wobin | it shows =P |
| 15:52.24 | Mikk | i do a lot of my testing ingame |
| 15:52.29 | Mikk | write algos in WoWLua |
| 15:52.37 | Wobin | Hack is also a great addon |
| 15:52.42 | Mikk | o? |
| 15:52.59 | Mikk | urlP? |
| 15:53.06 | Wobin | it's on wowi |
| 15:53.08 | Wobin | somewhere |
| 15:53.10 | Nobgul | hack is nice. |
| 15:53.21 | cm100 | i mean, it shouldn't be hard to create an VM |
| 15:53.27 | Wobin | cm100: so, make one |
| 15:53.36 | Cide | stop crying like a bitch imo |
| 15:53.39 | Wobin | (and keep it up to date, with every patch) |
| 15:53.40 | Nobgul | are you still on about the vm. Make one if you want one. let us know how hard it is |
| 15:53.53 | Nobgul | Ill be waiting for you to finish it. |
| 15:54.01 | zenzelezz | cm100: why would you need a VM? |
| 15:54.05 | cm100 | just create mock-functions of all global functions :/ and atleast then you can run your code to find logical errors |
| 15:54.10 | Wobin | cause coding is hard, k? =P |
| 15:54.20 | zenzelezz | cm100: someone tried that in the 2.x era I think, Wowbench |
| 15:54.21 | Mikk | i made one once |
| 15:54.22 | Wobin | and /rl takes too long |
| 15:54.31 | Mikk | 1.12 era even |
| 15:54.41 | zenzelezz | oh, was it that long ago? |
| 15:54.42 | Mikk | yeah |
| 15:54.43 | cm100 | zenzelezz: because its tedious to reload the addon in-game every time |
| 15:54.46 | Mikk | 2.0 came along and broke it |
| 15:54.56 | Mikk | cm100: problem with wowbench was |
| 15:54.58 | Wobin | cm100: how many other addons are you running while testing your current one? |
| 15:55.00 | zenzelezz | cm100: disable some of your 100 other addons; a /reload for me is roughly 3 seconds |
| 15:55.01 | Nobgul | How tedious can it be? are you playing on a comadore 64 or something. |
| 15:55.01 | Mikk | it was only marginally faster than wow |
| 15:55.15 | cm100 | Wobin: dunno, 8 perhaps |
| 15:55.18 | Nobgul | A reload is 1 - 5 seconds. |
| 15:55.23 | Wobin | try paring them down to... 2 |
| 15:55.27 | Wobin | bugsack |
| 15:55.27 | Nobgul | if you dont have 9999999 addons running |
| 15:55.28 | Wobin | and yours |
| 15:55.56 | Wobin | and also, a VM will not help your frames screwing up |
| 15:55.59 | cm100 | Lol, ok - you are are arguing FOR reloading in game, instead of having a VM? You think in-game reloading is better than having a VM to try your stuff out? Jesus christ! |
| 15:56.04 | Nobgul | Seems like youtube processing is taking much longer then it used to. |
| 15:56.07 | Wobin | yes. |
| 15:56.09 | Wobin | yes we are |
| 15:56.16 | Wobin | Jesus christ =P |
| 15:56.17 | Cide | no |
| 15:56.26 | Cide | having aa proper vm running would be cool |
| 15:56.30 | Cide | now make it and tell us how good it works |
| 15:56.35 | Wobin | go on |
| 15:56.43 | Nobgul | Like I said seomt complainging about it and make one. Or hush and just fix your addon. |
| 15:56.46 | Wobin | it shouldn't be hard |
| 15:56.48 | Nobgul | stop* |
| 15:56.48 | cm100 | it only takes 1-1.5s! compared to pushing a button! wtf is wrong with 1-1.5seconds!?! |
| 15:56.51 | zenzelezz | and come back here crying after every PTR patch when they change something internak |
| 15:56.54 | zenzelezz | *internal |
| 15:57.05 | Nobgul | Sigh |
| 15:57.14 | Wobin | *facepalm* |
| 15:57.18 | zenzelezz | you know, I used to think Fisker was the biggest troll |
| 15:57.23 | Nobgul | Now im going afk before i start ignoring people |
| 15:57.31 | *** join/#wowuidev Jamash (~Jamash@99-92-174-69.lightspeed.iplsin.sbcglobal.net) |
| 15:57.34 | cm100 | why the f'ck does my bycicle have rounded wheels? what the hell is wrong with having square wheels? I mean, HTFU! |
| 15:57.42 | Wobin | nods |
| 15:57.49 | cm100 | you guys are making no sense :) you should promote a vm |
| 15:57.50 | Wobin | why are you still here? |
| 15:57.54 | zenzelezz | cm100: solid argument there |
| 15:57.58 | Wobin | why aren't you writing your VM? |
| 15:58.03 | Wobin | Go! |
| 15:58.07 | Wobin | Surprise us! |
| 15:58.10 | Wobin | Show us -all-! |
| 15:58.15 | Wobin | we'll be eating our shoes! |
| 15:58.22 | Wobin | Properly shamed! |
| 15:58.25 | Wobin | You'll be RIGHT! |
| 15:58.29 | zenzelezz | PS: remember implementing taint and protected stuff |
| 15:58.40 | Wobin | PS: and secure frames |
| 15:58.52 | Wobin | (hahaha, secure frames) |
| 15:59.02 | Nobgul | what type of addon is he or she making anyway. Hello World? |
| 15:59.09 | cm100 | Wobin: is it worth it? spending that time into creating a VM? what's in it for me? |
| 15:59.19 | Wobin | You save time, instead of having to hit /rl |
| 15:59.23 | Wobin | isn't that what you're after? |
| 15:59.34 | cm100 | Yea, but thats like 100 hours we are talking about |
| 15:59.34 | sylvanaar | you know you man monkeypatch tin lua |
| 15:59.37 | Wobin | or are you just here to complain that noone has written a VM |
| 15:59.40 | sylvanaar | you dont even have to reload |
| 15:59.53 | Wobin | cm100: So? |
| 15:59.56 | Wobin | get to it |
| 15:59.59 | Wobin | the faster you get it written |
| 16:00.02 | cbreak | cm100: you can download a ready-to-compile Lua VM on http://lua.org |
| 16:00.07 | Wobin | the faster you can start saving 1.5 or so seconds a reload |
| 16:00.12 | cm100 | i mean, if you are going to create a chair, you could create a CAD-drawing, take it to a factory, etc - or you could just take a box and use it |
| 16:00.22 | Wobin | cm100: and by that logic |
| 16:00.25 | Wobin | STFU and hit /rl |
| 16:00.36 | zenzelezz | pokes Cairenn |
| 16:00.50 | Jerub | what's the chance of patch this tuesday? |
| 16:00.53 | Wobin | I thought you were all for the VM, cm100? |
| 16:00.59 | Cairenn | zenzelezz: ? |
| 16:01.01 | sylvanaar | wpw this channel erupted in the past few minutes |
| 16:01.05 | cm100 | Wobin: you reactionist :/ |
| 16:01.06 | zenzelezz | Cairenn: getting heated here |
| 16:01.17 | Cairenn | then it needs to cool down |
| 16:01.26 | Wobin | goes to bed. |
| 16:01.36 | cbreak | cm100: although it's not that fast |
| 16:01.37 | Wobin | I hope you have the VM by morning =P Or I'll be disappointed |
| 16:01.49 | cbreak | cm100: if you want really FAST lua, you should take a look at LuaJIT |
| 16:02.02 | sylvanaar | from afar |
| 16:02.02 | cm100 | cbreak: i don't want to optimize lua code |
| 16:02.04 | Wobin | Cairenn: any news on patch? |
| 16:02.12 | Cairenn | newp |
| 16:02.17 | cbreak | cm100: it doesn't optimize the code |
| 16:02.23 | Wobin | bleh, I want my PW:S changes =( |
| 16:02.32 | cbreak | it optimizes the bytecode |
| 16:02.39 | cbreak | that's just a runtime property |
| 16:02.40 | cm100 | what byte code? |
| 16:02.44 | Cide | gtfo |
| 16:02.48 | cbreak | the bytecode lua is compiled into |
| 16:02.51 | cm100 | LUA gets translated into byte code? |
| 16:02.56 | cbreak | sure |
| 16:03.00 | cm100 | didn't know that |
| 16:03.09 | cbreak | the normal Lua VM just executes that |
| 16:03.22 | Cide | seems like an ongoing theme |
| 16:03.31 | cbreak | LuaJIT is a just in time compiler which executes the result on the CPU |
| 16:03.58 | cbreak | http://luajit.org/ |
| 16:06.36 | cm100 | scratches his head |
| 16:07.20 | cm100 | i just wishe that blizzards next game, titan, won't use lua |
| 16:07.30 | cbreak | why? lua is great |
| 16:07.37 | amro | cm100: you don't know what you're talking about |
| 16:07.39 | cbreak | there aren't really any languages that can compete with it |
| 16:07.43 | sylvanaar | flamebait.. |
| 16:07.44 | amro | your first statement confirmed it |
| 16:07.57 | amro | sylvanaar: nah, as far as embedded languages go, lua is king |
| 16:08.22 | cbreak | maybe cm100 hates customizability |
| 16:08.27 | cbreak | and wants to banish addons |
| 16:08.32 | amro | most of the few games that don't use lua are already written in a dynamic language |
| 16:08.35 | cbreak | because he loves the default UI |
| 16:08.51 | cbreak | or he's a java script lover :) |
| 16:09.00 | Wobin | or a VBscript lover =P |
| 16:09.11 | cbreak | that was offensive wobin |
| 16:09.15 | Wobin | ^^ |
| 16:09.30 | cm100 | My whol addon because i wroted a boolean variable within two parantheses () |
| 16:09.44 | cm100 | i mean.. come on.. don't get my pissed off here.. |
| 16:09.54 | cm100 | my whole addon broke* |
| 16:09.57 | Wobin | no, we don't |
| 16:09.59 | Mikk | try compiling it before reloading then |
| 16:10.02 | Mikk | with luac |
| 16:10.05 | sylvanaar | i like lua - that why i have spent the last year working on a smart editor for it |
| 16:10.05 | Mikk | see if it errors |
| 16:10.09 | Wobin | cause that happens in every other language |
| 16:10.38 | cm100 | why is lua greated compared to other scripting languages? |
| 16:10.43 | cbreak | cm100: incompetence of the programmer should not be blamed on the language |
| 16:10.46 | cm100 | what makes lua so great? |
| 16:10.51 | Mikk | small memory footprint |
| 16:10.59 | Mikk | easily integrated into other apps |
| 16:10.59 | Wobin | if you're not running with an addon that catches lua errors or at least 'View Lua Errors', then you're not really a programmer |
| 16:11.09 | sylvanaar | did you see, lua dropped of the top 20 tiobe |
| 16:11.35 | cbreak | top 20 what? |
| 16:11.43 | Nobgul | I have a question cm100, Did you upload your addon to the website? |
| 16:12.05 | cbreak | cm100: there aren't really many alternatives to lua |
| 16:12.13 | cm100 | Nobgul: the one i am currently working on? |
| 16:12.13 | sylvanaar | http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html |
| 16:12.33 | Nobgul | Yea |
| 16:12.38 | cm100 | no, and to what website? |
| 16:12.40 | Nobgul | OR your older one. |
| 16:12.48 | *** join/#wowuidev industrial (~industria@194.145.194.227) |
| 16:12.52 | industrial | wheeeee |
| 16:12.56 | cm100 | you.. just want a random addon i have.. created? |
| 16:12.58 | industrial | htc desire z |
| 16:12.59 | Nobgul | sup industrial |
| 16:13.06 | industrial | is up |
| 16:13.17 | industrial | ssh screen weechat lulz |
| 16:13.39 | Nobgul | cm100, Nevermind Just nevermind |
| 16:13.50 | Nobgul | Accually how did you find the irc channel? |
| 16:13.57 | amro | cm100: you realize your complaint isn't actually about lua? |
| 16:13.58 | haste | tmux weechat ssh screen irssi-proxy lulz |
| 16:14.06 | amro | I can't imagine a language that wouldn't break because of syntax errors |
| 16:14.19 | cbreak | amro: I can |
| 16:14.21 | Wobin | I'd hope most languages -would- break on syntax error |
| 16:14.29 | cbreak | amro: a language in which every possible byte combination is valid |
| 16:14.33 | *** join/#wowuidev Computerpunk (~Computerp@85.186.122.45) |
| 16:14.39 | cbreak | no human could use that though |
| 16:14.42 | cm100 | cm100: hm? |
| 16:14.44 | Wobin | cbreak: that sounds like a joy to debug =P |
| 16:14.46 | sylvanaar | I can - any language implemented by jetbrains... |
| 16:14.48 | amro | cbreak: those wouldn't be syntax errors then |
| 16:14.55 | cbreak | amro: exactly. |
| 16:15.03 | cbreak | amro: it can't break on syntax errors if there are none :D |
| 16:15.23 | cm100 | java plugins would be great tho |
| 16:15.32 | cbreak | java?! you dumb or sometihing? |
| 16:15.41 | cm100 | yea |
| 16:15.42 | amro | cbreak: fine, I can't imagine a language that wouldn't break given a syntax error |
| 16:15.44 | Wobin | I think we've established that =P |
| 16:15.54 | amro | cm100: I will reiterate, you don't know what you're talking about |
| 16:16.02 | Nobgul | Breaks out the "Stop Feeding The Trolls" Sign, and plants it in the middle of the room. |
| 16:16.08 | Mikk | huhu java ui |
| 16:16.11 | Mikk | shudders |
| 16:16.17 | cbreak | the Java VM is extremely wasteful |
| 16:16.17 | sylvanaar | yeah dont bash my ide |
| 16:16.20 | Mikk | java and frames-per-second = no jibe |
| 16:16.21 | cm100 | everything in swing would be great |
| 16:16.30 | cbreak | the java language is extremely complicated |
| 16:16.42 | cbreak | the java API/StandardLib is extremely bloated |
| 16:16.44 | Wobin | can you imagine LibFarlander in java? |
| 16:16.51 | cbreak | so java is an extremely sucky choice compared to Lua |
| 16:16.54 | cm100 | cbreak: well, a sandbox would be required |
| 16:16.59 | sylvanaar | it would be LibFarFarFarlander |
| 16:17.03 | Mikk | hahahaha |
| 16:17.03 | Nobgul | lol |
| 16:17.07 | Wobin | It'd take 10min to load =P |
| 16:17.08 | cbreak | cm100: what are you mumbling about? |
| 16:17.14 | cm100 | cbreak: a sandbox |
| 16:17.21 | cbreak | irelevant |
| 16:17.36 | cbreak | how's a sandbox required? |
| 16:17.37 | cm100 | cbreak: well, you can't complain about bloated API if none are used in a sandbox |
| 16:17.46 | cbreak | sure I can |
| 16:17.50 | cm100 | no, you can't |
| 16:17.54 | cbreak | I can complain about anything I want |
| 16:17.56 | Wobin | sure he can |
| 16:17.59 | cbreak | see? |
| 16:18.10 | Wobin | it hasn't stopped you from complaining about nothing =P |
| 16:18.18 | cm100 | you can't complain about eating popcorn in the cinema, if you are not given any popcorn to eat at all |
| 16:18.29 | Wobin | why not? |
| 16:18.31 | cbreak | honestly, have you even seen the download size or the memory footprint of an open source java vm? |
| 16:18.34 | Nobgul | You guys realize that feeding the trolls is bad when we have no more food they bite. |
| 16:18.48 | sylvanaar | This is the internet - you can complain about anything |
| 16:18.53 | Wobin | Nobgul: wouldn't that mean feeding them then they won't bite? |
| 16:19.03 | cm100 | riding this bike in the ocean would suck! what? i am not giving a bike? screw that! it still would suck! *whahahaaa* |
| 16:19.07 | Nobgul | Wobin, Your gonna run out of food eventually. |
| 16:19.08 | Wobin | Nobgul: oh, you weren't speaking as a troll |
| 16:19.15 | Nobgul | =P |
| 16:19.22 | Wobin | cm100: I think you need to work on your analogies |
| 16:19.25 | Wobin | they kinda suck |
| 16:19.32 | Nobgul | ~fiskerslap cm100 |
| 16:19.33 | purl | ACTION slaps cm100 around a bit with Fisker. |
| 16:19.34 | Wobin | something -terrible- |
| 16:19.36 | cm100 | i need to down-grade them for cbreak :P |
| 16:19.43 | Nobgul | >_< |
| 16:19.44 | Wobin | no, you need them to make sense |
| 16:19.48 | Wobin | to anyone outside your head |
| 16:19.50 | Cairenn | alright guys, enough |
| 16:19.54 | cbreak | cm100: I see now, you aren't the brightest |
| 16:20.05 | cbreak | but honestly, you should at least try to understand what you are saying yourself |
| 16:20.07 | cbreak | before you say it |
| 16:20.09 | cm100 | cbreak: Cairenn said to calm down |
| 16:20.20 | cbreak | or you will never be able to have a bidirectional communication with an other human |
| 16:20.34 | Mikk | well what cm100 basically wants is an operating system |
| 16:20.39 | Mikk | where you can execute processes |
| 16:20.43 | Mikk | that do not interfere with other processes |
| 16:20.45 | Mikk | (nor the "OS") |
| 16:20.48 | Mikk | and can be restarted |
| 16:20.55 | Mikk | that's "nice" in some ways certainly |
| 16:20.56 | cbreak | sounds useful |
| 16:20.57 | Wobin | (I call it... wow.exe) |
| 16:21.07 | sylvanaar | anyone feel like playing with a Lua IDE written in java, and providing some feedback |
| 16:21.12 | Mikk | but it also means you can forget about hooking and other stuff that we do all the time |
| 16:21.36 | Mikk | so blizzard would have to write hooking apis for everything hookable |
| 16:21.37 | cbreak | hooking is entirely possible with isolated processes |
| 16:21.44 | cbreak | exactly |
| 16:21.47 | amro | sylvanaar: I'm not sure o=if it's idea or the lua module, but it was slowing down after a while |
| 16:21.49 | cbreak | there needs to be a public API for that |
| 16:22.22 | sylvanaar | amro, yeah, on large files? |
| 16:22.23 | Mikk | i had a funny idea earlier with running Lua byte inside WoW earlier |
| 16:22.26 | cm100 | ok, this is screwed up.. im gonna pastebin something for you |
| 16:22.26 | Mikk | in its own processor |
| 16:22.32 | amro | sylvanaar: not very, only about 80 lines |
| 16:22.44 | Mikk | so you could step by step |
| 16:23.01 | Mikk | Lua bytecode* even |
| 16:23.28 | cbreak | sylvanaar: wonder what that page considers "Market" to calculate market share |
| 16:23.32 | sylvanaar | i have a 30k line file in my testcases, but there is a lot going on |
| 16:23.38 | Wobin | cbreak: popularity I think |
| 16:23.43 | cbreak | popularity? |
| 16:23.53 | Wobin | it says it in the blurb above the table |
| 16:23.53 | cbreak | that doesn't sound like a measurable quantity |
| 16:23.55 | sylvanaar | some kind of combined web metric |
| 16:24.06 | Wobin | popularity is my translation |
| 16:24.09 | cm100 | if you guys think that lua is that great, solve this lua/wow-addon riddle -> http://pastebin.com/JBnq1tM1 |
| 16:24.45 | cbreak | cm100: that code isn't supposed to load any frames |
| 16:24.54 | Wobin | cm100: time to start moving your code out of xml |
| 16:24.54 | cm100 | cbreak: no, i didnt say that |
| 16:25.05 | cbreak | cm100: "THIS CODE DOESN'T LOAD ANY OF MY FRAMES" |
| 16:25.08 | Nobgul | THIS CODE DOESN'T LOAD ANY OF MY FRAMES |
| 16:25.10 | Nobgul | in caps |
| 16:25.15 | Nobgul | at the top of the file. |
| 16:25.18 | cm100 | cbreak: in the whole .xml frame |
| 16:25.24 | sylvanaar | not enough useful information |
| 16:25.35 | cbreak | cm100: yeah, so? it still doesn't load a frame |
| 16:25.44 | cbreak | cm100: the xml stuff is wow proprietary |
| 16:25.54 | cbreak | lua has no influence on it |
| 16:26.01 | amro | ^ |
| 16:26.12 | cm100 | cbreak: why does my frames load into wow, by removing my 4 commented lines? |
| 16:26.23 | cm100 | cbreak: and no frames gets loaded if i leave my 4 -- lines there? |
| 16:26.29 | Wobin | perhaps in how WoW deals with comments in the xml |
| 16:26.35 | amro | ^ |
| 16:26.37 | amro | stop using xml |
| 16:26.40 | Wobin | ie, stop using xml |
| 16:26.42 | cbreak | cm100: ask the wow people, they write the xml parser |
| 16:26.53 | cbreak | cm100: lua doesn't care about comments, they are ignored |
| 16:26.54 | sylvanaar | or, learn to use it correctly |
| 16:26.56 | cm100 | cbreak: cheap easy answer :) |
| 16:27.05 | cbreak | cm100: true answer too. |
| 16:27.08 | cm100 | well, why don't you just google the answer, duh |
| 16:27.22 | cm100 | cbreak: does it make sense tho? my scenario? |
| 16:27.26 | Wobin | because Blizzard doesn't post proprietry information on the internet? |
| 16:27.34 | cbreak | cm100: your mental capacity might not be big enough to grasp this concept |
| 16:27.44 | cbreak | cm100: but the XML stuff does not belong into lua |
| 16:27.47 | cbreak | it is separate |
| 16:27.52 | cm100 | cbreak: so, THATS the problem? |
| 16:27.58 | amro | for the nth time, stop using xml |
| 16:28.05 | Wobin | The problem seems you're working with an outdated model of how addons run |
| 16:28.14 | cbreak | cm100: the problem is not with lua |
| 16:28.14 | Wobin | It's not like in vanilla |
| 16:28.25 | cbreak | because lua is not involved |
| 16:28.46 | cm100 | yes it is.. -- is a lua comment |
| 16:28.48 | cbreak | lua gets involved after the frame is loaded, when the OnUpdate handlers are executed, not before |
| 16:29.05 | amro | cm100: for heaven's sake, you're editing an .xml file |
| 16:29.17 | Wobin | Do me a favour |
| 16:29.21 | Wobin | edit your -- lines with <!-- --> |
| 16:29.25 | amro | I'm only saying this one last time: stop using xml |
| 16:29.27 | Wobin | and see if that changes anything |
| 16:29.35 | cm100 | Wobin: that's not lua syntax tho |
| 16:29.40 | Wobin | Wow! |
| 16:29.43 | Wobin | I think he has it! |
| 16:29.44 | cbreak | cm100: it's not a lua file you dolt |
| 16:29.58 | cm100 | Wobin: nothing inside the tag is xml, its all interpreted as lua |
| 16:30.11 | amro | ok that's it |
| 16:30.18 | Nobgul | lol |
| 16:30.22 | cm100 | Wobin: mixing xml and lua won't work |
| 16:30.28 | Wobin | You know |
| 16:30.30 | amro | that |
| 16:30.31 | cm100 | I do |
| 16:30.32 | amro | is |
| 16:30.32 | Wobin | I think you're getting the idea |
| 16:30.36 | amro | what you're already doing! |
| 16:30.39 | Wobin | but you're really not quite getting the idea |
| 16:30.48 | amro | I'm not saying it again |
| 16:30.56 | amro | and I'm not the only one who's said ity |
| 16:31.23 | Wobin | cm100: how about you don't 'mixing xml and lua' by not putting your lua code in your xml? |
| 16:31.23 | Nobgul | <OnUpdate> This is XML |
| 16:31.24 | sylvanaar | umad bro |
| 16:31.31 | Nobgul | local - THIS IS LUA |
| 16:31.43 | Nobgul | im going now. |
| 16:32.05 | cm100 | Nobgul: i kinda know the difference between XML and LUA |
| 16:32.11 | amro | no, you don't |
| 16:32.14 | Nobgul | no you dont |
| 16:32.15 | cm100 | i don't? |
| 16:32.17 | amro | no |
| 16:32.17 | Nobgul | NO |
| 16:32.20 | cm100 | lol, ok |
| 16:32.21 | cbreak | obviously you don't |
| 16:32.22 | sylvanaar | and while we are at it, use ideone.com....its 100000 times better than pastey |
| 16:32.22 | Nobgul | the link you posted is xml and lua |
| 16:32.30 | Nobgul | both in the same file |
| 16:32.32 | cm100 | so.. XML is a computer right? and LUA is.. a GUI right? |
| 16:32.33 | Nobgul | IT CANT WORK |
| 16:32.37 | Wobin | sylvanaar: but 10 times harder to remember =P |
| 16:32.47 | amro | I'm gonna switch gears |
| 16:32.52 | Thunder_Child | also, it's Lua |
| 16:32.53 | amro | hits the troll switch |
| 16:33.05 | Wobin | watches as Fisker leaps out from the darkness |
| 16:33.14 | cm100 | Nobgul: the data inside the onupdate-tag isn't intepreted as lua? |
| 16:33.19 | sylvanaar | i think you can bookmark it with all the settings there |
| 16:33.20 | cbreak | I think I can permit myself to use a more offensive language now |
| 16:33.21 | amro | Wobin: I was activating the troll within |
| 16:33.26 | cbreak | cm100: no you idiot |
| 16:33.33 | cm100 | cbreak: it has to, because it works |
| 16:33.35 | Wobin | amro: I don't know if you'd want Fisker inside you |
| 16:33.36 | amro | it's first parsed as xml |
| 16:33.37 | cbreak | cm100: you should find out how XML works |
| 16:33.39 | Wobin | that might get uncomfortable |
| 16:33.57 | cbreak | things inside <tag> and </tag> are interpreted as text. |
| 16:34.02 | cm100 | yes |
| 16:34.04 | amro | Wobin: really? I'd imagine I wouldn't feel a thing |
| 16:34.07 | cbreak | but there are some characters you are not allowed to use |
| 16:34.10 | cbreak | like < or > |
| 16:34.11 | cm100 | cbreak: then interpreted as lua, right? |
| 16:34.13 | Wobin | amro: buuuurn =P |
| 16:34.16 | Nobgul | cm100, sadly no. It doesnt work that way. I suggest you stop using xml and use lua for your frames. You can checkout acegui libary. |
| 16:34.17 | cbreak | cm100: no! |
| 16:34.22 | cm100 | cbreak: i am using < >? |
| 16:34.30 | cbreak | cm100: yes. |
| 16:34.34 | Wobin | -- local hasRightHealth = health < 0.2; |
| 16:34.49 | Nobgul | <function> <OnUpdate> |
| 16:34.51 | Wobin | # |
| 16:34.51 | Wobin | -- self:GetNormalTexture():SetDesaturated( duration > 0 ); |
| 16:34.53 | Nobgul | <> |
| 16:35.03 | cbreak | cm100: there'a reason you have to use < in html, which is an XML spinoff |
| 16:35.06 | Wobin | hullo < > |
| 16:35.15 | cbreak | because < is not allowed there either |
| 16:35.26 | cm100 | touché - i stand corrected |
| 16:35.44 | cm100 | ok, ok - i stand corrected. I see the problem |
| 16:35.44 | cbreak | (web browsers take extreme care to parse code created by shitty "web designers" to be able to understand it anyway though) |
| 16:35.46 | Wobin | you'd save yourself a lot of heartache if you moved your lua code to a lua file |
| 16:36.07 | amro | now, will you stop assuming that it's lua's fault next time you run into a problem and not listening to us saying otherwise? |
| 16:36.09 | haste | but heartaches are awesome! |
| 16:36.17 | Nobgul | lol haste |
| 16:36.21 | cm100 | so, i should use "duration is less than 0.2" right? |
| 16:36.21 | Wobin | HEARTACHE TO HEARTACHE WE STAND! |
| 16:36.23 | cm100 | no, just joking |
| 16:36.33 | Wobin | LOVE IS A BATTLEFIELD |
| 16:38.25 | cbreak | maybe XML entities are valid |
| 16:38.34 | Mikk | most likely |
| 16:38.37 | Mikk | since it's parsed as xml first |
| 16:38.44 | Wobin | they probably won't be parsed in lua though |
| 16:38.51 | cbreak | but you should just stop using lua code in xml besides simple function invocations |
| 16:39.03 | cbreak | and if you can grasp the concept, just use the lua functions to handle the UI |
| 16:39.24 | cbreak | Wobin: should be transformed |
| 16:39.40 | cbreak | parsers should handle that. question is: does wow's parser do it? |
| 16:39.59 | Wobin | I guess, if you really want to start using XML entities, instead of < and > ... and every other clash... |
| 16:40.12 | Fisker | a friend of me has bought wow and wow burning crusade new. bzt if he enter the key, there is a massage then, das der key always in use. |
| 16:40.12 | amro | which is just dumb |
| 16:40.14 | Wobin | that's hugging the xml a little too stiflingly though, imo |
| 16:40.18 | Fisker | but he has already trawn away her key. |
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| 16:40.25 | Mikk | > < is pretty likely to work |
| 16:40.29 | Fisker | "Hey i bought something, but it didn't work, so i threw it away" |
| 16:40.33 | Mikk | because the content is parsed as xml |
| 16:40.35 | Mikk | and then given to lua |
| 16:40.49 | Wobin | Mikk: would -lua- parse it though? |
| 16:40.54 | Mikk | lua would only see < > |
| 16:40.57 | Wobin | wouldn't it just see it as strings? |
| 16:40.57 | amro | ^ |
| 16:41.14 | Wobin | in any case |
| 16:41.16 | amro | only if you use some raw method like accessing innerXML |
| 16:41.24 | Wobin | all those lines were commented out |
| 16:41.33 | amro | that's not the issue |
| 16:41.36 | amro | they were breaking the xml parsing |
| 16:41.42 | Wobin | so we're discussing if lua will parse code that gets ignored anyway =P |
| 16:41.56 | amro | nope, the file would have failed to parse |
| 16:42.02 | Mikk | oh lua wouldnt parse the commented out lines obv |
| 16:42.18 | Mikk | but they cause xml to barf |
| 16:43.00 | Mikk | it's really not hard |
| 16:43.03 | Mikk | it's a 2 step process |
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| 16:43.38 | Mikk | you'er all programmers |
| 16:43.39 | Wobin | or a zero step process, where you put the lua code in a lua file and not have to worry about using entities in place of keyword clashes |
| 16:43.41 | Mikk | think like a programmer |
| 16:44.14 | Mikk | mmm 100% lua ftw |
| 16:44.17 | Wobin | where the programming rule is: If I can avoid having to do extra work, I will work twice as hard to get it done that way |
| 16:44.43 | sylvanaar | ^^ |
| 16:44.49 | sylvanaar | case in point... |
| 16:46.25 | Mikk | well i only ever started hacking on wowbench because servers were down for maint :P |
| 16:47.20 | amro | servers ought to be down more often |
| 16:47.24 | amro | wtb wowbench 4.0 |
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| 16:50.57 | scoiatael | >.< |
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| 16:57.55 | Yoshimo | we are having a problem with wowmaths, its about speedboni. What is faster in Vashir, a druid with glyphed aquatic form or a druid with an abyssal seahorse? |
| 16:59.17 | karl_w_w | got to be an abyssal seahorse |
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| 17:00.12 | Yoshimo | what is the exact speedbonus if you have done all quests in vashir and have access to the zonebuff and the glyph? do they get added or multiplied? |
| 17:00.57 | sylvanaar | ok, I am about to install linux, and i want to know which distro to use...or some advice (besides gentoo) |
| 17:01.29 | amro | did you just say boni? |
| 17:01.40 | nebula169 | the vash'jir buff is just running along the bottom, the sea horse is 450% |
| 17:01.41 | amro | sylvanaar: kubuntu |
| 17:02.19 | Wobin | Yoshimo: I think they get multiplied |
| 17:02.22 | amro | sylvanaar: easy to setup and modify while you get your bearings. you can then choose another distro if needed once you know what you're doing |
| 17:02.39 | nebula169 | wowhead says their the same speed, awkward |
| 17:02.44 | karl_w_w | correction: xubuntu |
| 17:02.45 | nebula169 | they're* |
| 17:03.06 | amro | karl_w_w: not going to get into this right now |
| 17:04.21 | TMc51 | Edubuntu! |
| 17:05.06 | karl_w_w | no |
| 17:06.05 | TMc51 | imo, give Sabayon a try. |
| 17:07.27 | karl_w_w | sounds like a food or something |
| 17:07.45 | amro | those aren't entry distributions |
| 17:09.47 | Wobin | Yoshimo: in any case, any druid who is -not- running along the bottom in bearform in Vash'jir has no fun in their hearts |
| 17:09.51 | |pope| | ok, i just want to state that i don't want to be that annoying guy asking questions, lol. a few years ago i was quite the mIRC scripter, but seem to have lost my way with it. i'm trying my hand at WoW scripting now, and would deeply appreciate if someone could pst me and answer couple questions on a short script im about to start. if not i will continue my unsuccessful google rampage lol |
| 17:10.27 | Wobin | http://thebigbearbutt.com/2010/12/10/video-bear-bounding-underwater/ |
| 17:11.38 | karl_w_w | this channel seems to have a very high tolerance threshold for random and noobish questions |pope| |
| 17:12.09 | |pope| | lol give me some credit i used to be a hella mIRC scripter like 5 yrs ago lol |
| 17:12.10 | Wobin | ignorance can be fixed =) Stupidity can't =) |
| 17:12.13 | amro | |pope|: ask in the channel |
| 17:12.42 | |pope| | okies. in mIRC to set a variable i would use /set %a 5 |
| 17:12.49 | |pope| | how do i do that in wow? O_o |
| 17:12.53 | amro | ~pil |
| 17:12.53 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 17:13.55 | Wobin | PiL will give you the basic outline of syntax and such |
| 17:14.14 | |pope| | is the syntax similar to that oir mIRC? |
| 17:14.23 | Wobin | definitely an important read to get your mind into the correct mindset for the language |
| 17:14.25 | |pope| | and ty so much for the link ^.^ |
| 17:14.49 | Wobin | not too much like it, I'm afraid |
| 17:14.59 | Nobgul | Yer not even close =( |
| 17:15.12 | Nobgul | In the wow ui there are variables. But those are set via lua code. |
| 17:15.22 | Nobgul | ie %t for trarget |
| 17:16.01 | amro | |pope|: I'd suggest you forget about mirc while reading the book |
| 17:16.11 | industrial | 4 |
| 17:18.13 | |pope| | im attempting to write a script that cycles btw friendly players. can this be done using scripting? |
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| 17:19.52 | |pope| | lol im not asking how to do it, just if it can be done. if not oh well, but if so i shall research that guide and find a way ^.^ |
| 17:20.19 | karl_w_w | you can't use script to target people |
| 17:20.21 | nebula169 | no |
| 17:20.26 | karl_w_w | only macros |
| 17:20.43 | nebula169 | addons/scripts generally can't do anything to affect gameplay |
| 17:20.58 | |pope| | but a script can be activated in a macro correct? |
| 17:21.08 | karl_w_w | yes |
| 17:21.32 | amro | everything you can do in script can be done in macro. the inverse isn't true |
| 17:21.44 | nebula169 | macro commands let you do some more stuff, because you have to press a button to do it, putting a script in a macro doesn't give you more freedom, though |
| 17:22.25 | |pope| | ah, i see. ty so much for the help guys, you've saved me hours of research <3 |
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| 17:26.03 | cm100 | oh, now i get it! i had < and > in the XML! |
| 17:26.39 | karl_w_w | yes that's quite common... |
| 17:27.19 | Nobgul | facepalm |
| 17:27.43 | cm100 | just j/k, but this lady gaga song is awesome tho |
| 17:27.59 | TMc51 | ... |
| 17:28.08 | karl_w_w | now I know ur joking |
| 17:28.40 | cm100 | i need more coffee guys |
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| 17:28.50 | cm100 | this LUA stuff is making me go wild |
| 17:29.03 | cbreak | it's lua, not LUA |
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| 17:29.29 | amro | finally |
| 17:29.36 | amro | bnet friends bug fixed |
| 17:29.59 | Thunder_Child | amro: it's not a bug, it's just no one likes you |
| 17:30.15 | amro | Thunder_Child: the bug is that it was showing too many people |
| 17:30.33 | nevcairiel | i constantly have the bug that its not showing where my friends are |
| 17:33.16 | amro | nevcairiel: yeah that's the one I was talking about |
| 17:33.21 | amro | seems to be fixed now |
| 17:33.49 | nebula169 | you mean unknown isn't an actual place? i've been searching for it for months! |
| 17:34.03 | cm100 | oh, yea me too.. i have soo many friends, so.. you guys know. takes AGES to load the game.. you know |
| 17:34.18 | cm100 | way too many friends.. |
| 17:34.24 | amro | I don't know |
| 17:36.38 | cm100 | anyone of you use GIT? |
| 17:36.51 | haste | several people here use Git |
| 17:36.59 | ScytheBlade1 | in fact, many do |
| 17:37.06 | industrial | me |
| 17:37.13 | cm100 | cool, kewl |
| 17:37.24 | industrial | github.com/industrial |
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| 17:37.40 | Fisker | it's not a bug amro |
| 17:37.43 | Fisker | a feature |
| 17:37.48 | industrial | im in a coffeeshop in amsterdam lol |
| 17:38.08 | amro | Fisker: right, and everyone in my list happens to toggle it on and off at the same time |
| 17:38.08 | Fisker | reported industrial |
| 17:38.11 | cm100 | just making sure my new best friends are using the most awesome revision control system out there |
| 17:38.21 | Fisker | naw amro |
| 17:38.38 | industrial | fisker |
| 17:38.45 | Fisker | industrial |
| 17:38.52 | industrial | illegal awesome level |
| 17:39.11 | Fisker | got any "coffee" yet? |
| 17:39.45 | industrial | oh yea lol |
| 17:40.15 | cm100 | industrial: you a heavy GIT user? |
| 17:40.33 | cm100 | or github user |
| 17:40.48 | industrial | yes i use it exclusively |
| 17:41.01 | industrial | github.com/industrial |
| 17:41.02 | cm100 | how "safe" is github? or serious? |
| 17:41.20 | industrial | i have all my shit on it. |
| 17:41.32 | industrial | as does the company i work at |
| 17:41.33 | Fisker | even your password to wow? |
| 17:41.39 | cm100 | you not worried that github shuts down tomorrow? |
| 17:41.47 | |pope| | ok another question i kno, i kno...): do macros recognize global variables? as in, would '/targetfriendplayer N' work if i set N to 3 |
| 17:41.50 | Fisker | i don't think it will cm100 |
| 17:42.06 | industrial | not really since git is decentralized |
| 17:42.09 | cm100 | Fisker: i didnt mean literally though |
| 17:42.20 | |pope| | Lua is killing me :'( |
| 17:42.33 | industrial | you have the whole repo locally |
| 17:42.48 | industrial | github is just one remite brench |
| 17:42.49 | cm100 | industrial: so.. you don't think github will shutdown tomorrow since git is decentralized? eh? |
| 17:42.51 | amro | |pope|: no, slash command are separate |
| 17:43.01 | industrial | you could have hundrreds. |
| 17:43.11 | cm100 | well, do you have hundreds? |
| 17:43.15 | industrial | remote |
| 17:43.21 | industrial | no two |
| 17:43.35 | industrial | wowace and github |
| 17:43.46 | amro | cm100: that's a weird question |
| 17:43.50 | industrial | maybr set up my oown server too |
| 17:43.55 | cm100 | amro: what is? |
| 17:44.03 | amro | how safe github is |
| 17:44.08 | industrial | maybr set up my oown server too |
| 17:45.06 | cm100 | amro: well, how does it feel? is it 2 highschool kids running a site, or does github have a legal binding for some sort towards their customers. |
| 17:45.46 | amro | a simple look would tell you that |
| 17:45.51 | cm100 | nope |
| 17:47.04 | cm100 | industrial: you using the free or a paid version? |
| 17:47.38 | amro | yes, it would. you're just not good at researching things on the internet |
| 17:47.42 | industrial | not yet |
| 17:47.51 | cm100 | amro: ok |
| 17:48.02 | amro | if you're concerned about the safety of your data, you shouldn't trust any organisation with it |
| 17:48.10 | amro | regardless of how "reliable" it is |
| 17:48.13 | cm100 | amro: ok |
| 17:48.30 | cm100 | industrial: github is tempting, but then again. I can simply create a repository on my NAS and it would work as well |
| 17:48.32 | industrial | i intend to because i want to start my own one person company |
| 17:48.40 | industrial | website production |
| 17:49.16 | cm100 | using GIT with all your work sounds like a good plan |
| 17:49.18 | industrial | going to use django and django-cms |
| 17:49.30 | cm100 | industrial: perhaps also using GAE? |
| 17:49.47 | industrial | i already use git on all |
| 17:49.52 | industrial | gae? |
| 17:50.05 | cm100 | google app engine |
| 17:50.14 | industrial | maybe |
| 17:50.15 | cbreak | cm100: where I work, we have our own gitolite controlled git server on a VM |
| 17:50.21 | Fisker | cbreak |
| 17:50.26 | cbreak | and some other division uses github |
| 17:51.01 | industrial | ive also looked into their javacrript library. the one they use for gmail etc. |
| 17:51.04 | cm100 | cbreak: whats the benefits of using gitolite? |
| 17:51.22 | cbreak | cm100: administration is easy |
| 17:51.29 | industrial | rights management etc? |
| 17:51.31 | cm100 | as in access? |
| 17:51.31 | cbreak | I don't have to create new system user accounts for everyone |
| 17:51.41 | cm100 | right ok |
| 17:51.42 | cbreak | authentication, authorisation |
| 17:51.58 | cm100 | we use a basic linux account as authrosiations |
| 17:51.59 | cm100 | bah |
| 17:52.34 | cbreak | we don't want to make new user accounts for everyone on the server :) |
| 17:52.36 | nevcairiel | I use gitosis, which i think is somehow related to gitolite, you just throw a ssh key onto it, and it deals with all the fun |
| 17:52.54 | cbreak | gitosis is the deprecated/dead/abandoned predecessor |
| 17:53.12 | nevcairiel | i cba to change my working system, though |
| 17:54.36 | cm100 | whats so frikken sweet with GIT tho is that you dont need a running server application |
| 17:54.43 | cm100 | just a filesystem |
| 17:55.07 | cbreak | careful with that |
| 17:55.30 | cbreak | if you use git from different users on the same file system, you should initialize it with shared permissions |
| 17:55.41 | nevcairiel | its Git, is no freaking acronym |
| 17:55.42 | cbreak | so that the correct stickyness for group is set |
| 17:56.08 | cbreak | otherwise new commits might be created with wrong permissions and create chaos |
| 17:56.37 | cbreak | one of the reason we migrated away from the smb server backed git repos in favour of the much more flexible and configurable gitolite solution |
| 17:58.06 | cm100 | nevcairiel: take a chill-pill |
| 17:58.24 | nevcairiel | no way, you learn first |
| 17:58.33 | Fisker | swedish butter |
| 17:58.50 | cm100 | nevcairiel: ok, i learn |
| 17:59.13 | cm100 | cbreak: i will checkout gitolite and see if thats something for our company :) |
| 17:59.40 | cm100 | we are like only 20 in our company tho |
| 18:00.43 | cbreak | here, only about ten people use git |
| 18:00.51 | cbreak | well, at least at my location |
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| 18:10.07 | zenzelezz | "The Enlightenment crew has finally released the first version of the Enlightenment Foundation Libraries, which the E17 desktop is built on." |
| 18:10.22 | zenzelezz | I'm betting this is just because they wouldn't let Duke Nukem Forever be released before them |
| 18:11.39 | amro | hahaha |
| 18:11.59 | amro | but wait, that doens't say the released the desktop |
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| 18:12.54 | zenzelezz | amro: correct; I only hope that this means they will finish E17 real soon now(tm) |
| 18:13.05 | amro | yeah, I could use some eyecandy |
| 18:14.27 | nevcairiel | within this century, i'm sure |
| 18:14.42 | zenzelezz | nevcairiel: hehe :) |
| 18:15.07 | nevcairiel | e17 was already on the horizon when i first started to care for linux |
| 18:15.13 | nevcairiel | which is many years ago |
| 18:15.13 | zenzelezz | same |
| 18:15.28 | zenzelezz | my first linux install used E16 |
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| 18:25.33 | Fisker | sauce nevcairiel |
| 18:25.47 | nevcairiel | bbq sauce makes everything better |
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| 18:33.40 | Fisker | do it nevcairiel |
| 18:34.54 | cm100 | hmm - how do i add an anonymous function to a Frame's script onupdate? |
| 18:36.05 | amro | :SetScript("OnUpdate", function() blah end) |
| 18:36.21 | cm100 | SetScript, ah, thanks |
| 18:41.40 | Fisker | nevcairiel |
| 18:41.44 | Fisker | do you want 15 inches of fun? |
| 18:42.30 | amro | fruit rollups? |
| 18:49.11 | cm100 | hmm, seems like LUA uses pointers :/ |
| 18:49.20 | amro | lua |
| 18:49.25 | amro | and you mean references |
| 18:49.37 | cm100 | nah, pointers |
| 18:49.45 | cbreak | cm100: so does x86 |
| 18:49.51 | amro | you don't have direct access to memory |
| 18:49.56 | amro | you don't have any memory pointers |
| 18:49.58 | cbreak | cm100: DO YOU HATE x86?! |
| 18:50.01 | nevcairiel | Lua doesnt use pointers. It does however pass around some stuff by reference, like tables and functions |
| 18:50.14 | cm100 | what about objects? |
| 18:50.22 | amro | objects? |
| 18:50.24 | nevcairiel | Lua doesnt have objects. |
| 18:50.25 | amro | you mean userdata? |
| 18:50.31 | cbreak | lua has tables! |
| 18:50.31 | nevcairiel | Just tables masquerading as such |
| 18:50.40 | cm100 | nah, ok.. *thinks* lua isnt OO |
| 18:50.44 | cbreak | the basic building blocks of the universe |
| 18:50.48 | cbreak | lua can be OO |
| 18:50.53 | cbreak | if you make it OO |
| 18:50.53 | amro | tables, functions, threads and userdata are passed by reference |
| 18:50.59 | cm100 | but when I do CreateFrame - what do i get? |
| 18:51.06 | nevcairiel | A table |
| 18:51.09 | cbreak | an opaque frame thing |
| 18:51.15 | amro | ~pil |
| 18:51.15 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 18:51.26 | cbreak | it's probably a userdata, or a table containing a userdata |
| 18:51.30 | cm100 | I'll give you an example |
| 18:51.35 | amro | table containing userdata cbreak |
| 18:51.39 | nevcairiel | Its a mostly empty table. in [0] it has the userdata, and a metatabel which gives you the functions |
| 18:51.53 | cbreak | hmm... |
| 18:52.00 | cbreak | sounds as if they used luna style Lua wrapping :) |
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| 18:52.21 | amro | you have to if you want to set fields on it |
| 18:52.36 | cbreak | you could just override __newindex and __index |
| 18:52.52 | cbreak | and handle all the things in C Space |
| 18:52.53 | amro | you wouldn't be able to iterate |
| 18:53.04 | cbreak | well, there's __pairs |
| 18:53.06 | cbreak | ... soon |
| 18:53.08 | cbreak | maybe... |
| 18:53.17 | amro | yes, you could work harder for the same result |
| 18:53.24 | amro | or you could just do it the easy way |
| 18:53.36 | nevcairiel | I kinda like this way, override a function, then nil it out to restore it to its original value, its kinda useful :) |
| 18:54.00 | cm100 | if you look at http://pastebin.com/X1girUgk i have a function called cProcPanel_Function_Enable which basically does Hide/Show <-- will using the variable "button" everywhere work, or do I overwrite it? Is it pass by value or is lua pass by reference? |
| 18:55.43 | cm100 | pref, i would like to use "this" or "self" |
| 18:56.08 | Dagmar | The @#$@$ world is ending |
| 18:56.11 | nevcairiel | You seem to be overthinking stuff. For all you care, all values could be passed by reference, there just are no methods to modify a number |
| 18:56.18 | Dagmar | Enlightenment has a 1.0 |
| 18:56.25 | cm100 | http://pastebin.com/zTbzNRaT <-- updated |
| 18:56.36 | Dagmar | Oh no wait nevermind, that's just the libraries *whew* |
| 18:56.48 | cm100 | nevcairiel: no, since I am not sure what I am sending with: cProcPanel_Function_Enable( button, true ); |
| 18:56.58 | cm100 | nevcairiel: is it the reference i am sending? |
| 18:57.17 | nevcairiel | Lua doesn't magically clone tables |
| 18:57.21 | cm100 | or, nvm - is there a "self" or "this" in lua? |
| 18:57.26 | nevcairiel | none of the above |
| 18:57.36 | nevcairiel | self is basically a convention |
| 18:57.44 | cm100 | how does i address the table then? |
| 18:57.45 | nevcairiel | and has some support in the API |
| 18:57.56 | nevcairiel | but its not a language feature |
| 18:58.31 | cm100 | in an anonymous function in lua, how do i point towards the "table" owning the function? |
| 18:58.46 | amro | function(self, blah) blah end |
| 18:58.47 | amro | also |
| 18:58.49 | amro | ~pil |
| 18:58.49 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 18:58.53 | amro | this time, please do read it |
| 18:58.53 | nevcairiel | A function thats defined as table:func(argument) is basically syntax candy for table.func(self, argument), where self is the table itself |
| 18:59.09 | nevcairiel | there is no magic, its just candy |
| 18:59.33 | nevcairiel | and yes, read the pil |
| 18:59.33 | cm100 | oh ok, i need to send it in |
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| 19:00.32 | cm100 | huh, no wait - you can't send that in for anonymous functions o.O |
| 19:00.50 | amro | read pil |
| 19:00.57 | amro | there's no difference betweena function and an anonymous function |
| 19:01.13 | cm100 | huh? there isnt? |
| 19:01.21 | nevcairiel | There also is no "anonymous function" in Lua. There are functions, and there are variables. Any variable can be a function. First-class citizens |
| 19:01.21 | amro | no, there isn't |
| 19:01.42 | cm100 | How do I call function without a name then? |
| 19:01.55 | amro | it's simple |
| 19:01.56 | amro | you read pil |
| 19:02.24 | amro | we're willing to help, but we're not going to explain simple things you can get from a free book |
| 19:02.29 | cm100 | Right |
| 19:03.10 | cm100 | thats so weird, since google says there is "anonymous functions" in lua |
| 19:03.31 | amro | in syntax |
| 19:03.33 | amro | not in semantics |
| 19:03.38 | amro | again, read pil |
| 19:03.43 | amro | and the manual |
| 19:04.45 | cm100 | <nevcairiel> There also is no "anonymous function" in Lua. <-- oh, so that was for semantics? and not by syntax? im so stupid, not figuring that out |
| 19:04.56 | nevcairiel | All functions are the same |
| 19:05.00 | amro | what's your point? |
| 19:05.04 | amro | his statement stands on its own |
| 19:05.10 | nevcairiel | they don't care how they are created |
| 19:05.21 | nevcairiel | Or if there is a variable name attached |
| 19:05.40 | cm100 | nevcairiel: no functions care how they are created |
| 19:06.08 | cm100 | why would a function care how they are created, its how they are used thats the point |
| 19:06.12 | cbreak | cm100: you can call methods if you have them |
| 19:06.30 | cm100 | cbreak: there aren't any objects in lua tho? |
| 19:06.31 | amro | cm100: anonymity doesn't refer to how the function is used |
| 19:06.32 | nevcairiel | a function is like any other data type |
| 19:06.42 | cbreak | lua: (function (a) print(a) end )("abc") |
| 19:06.43 | amro | lua> (function(x) print(x) end)("foo") |
| 19:06.43 | lua_bot | amro: foo |
| 19:06.51 | amro | beat you to it |
| 19:06.54 | amro | amro 1 0 cbreak |
| 19:06.58 | cbreak | I was first |
| 19:07.06 | nevcairiel | amro's worked though |
| 19:07.20 | cbreak | it's the same |
| 19:07.27 | cm100 | cbreak: im not sure what the () does around the function |
| 19:07.30 | nevcairiel | but he knows how to use the bot! |
| 19:07.38 | cbreak | cm100: it makes it a thing |
| 19:07.44 | cm100 | a thing? |
| 19:07.49 | nevcairiel | a thing! |
| 19:07.51 | amro | it's for syntax |
| 19:07.52 | cbreak | brackets are for grouping expressions |
| 19:08.11 | cm100 | cbreak: so you declared an anonymous function, then called on it? |
| 19:08.11 | amro | just like (4-1)/(2*3) |
| 19:08.18 | nevcairiel | he declared a function |
| 19:08.33 | cm100 | amro: ok, so nothing special for lua then |
| 19:08.34 | cbreak | cm100: I _define_ it |
| 19:08.44 | cbreak | functions aren't declared in lua |
| 19:08.51 | cm100 | cbreak: what puzzles me is how you called it |
| 19:09.05 | amro | what puzzles me is why you're still not reading pil |
| 19:09.11 | cbreak | you call functions with a bracket () |
| 19:09.17 | cm100 | thinks |
| 19:09.22 | cbreak | if you want to put arguments into the call, put them into the brackets |
| 19:09.46 | nevcairiel | just to confuse you more |
| 19:09.47 | amro | lua> local f = function() print("f"); f(); local c = f; c(); |
| 19:09.47 | lua_bot | amro: luabot:1: 'end' expected near '<eof>' |
| 19:09.50 | nevcairiel | ua> (function(x) print(x) end)"foo" |
| 19:09.52 | nevcairiel | lua> (function(x) print(x) end)"foo" |
| 19:09.53 | amro | lua> local f = function() print("f") end; f(); local c = f; c(); |
| 19:09.53 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: foo |
| 19:09.53 | lua_bot | amro: f, f |
| 19:10.00 | nevcairiel | the () are not required :P |
| 19:10.13 | cm100 | amro: interesting so, you said that () were used to group statements, right? so what statements was grouped in: (function (a) print(a) end )("abc") |
| 19:10.24 | amro | the function definition |
| 19:10.39 | amro | otherwise the parser would see end() which doesn't make sense |
| 19:11.05 | amro | nevcairiel: only for strings and tables, which is so hot imo |
| 19:11.18 | amro | I use it to emulate keyword arguments |
| 19:11.30 | nevcairiel | (..) basically forces Lua to evaluate whatever is in it first, and spit out the result. So it ends up as having a function reference in there, then finding the function-call operator and calls it |
| 19:11.34 | cm100 | amro: so, this would work, correct?: function (a) print(a) end ("abc") |
| 19:11.45 | nevcairiel | no it would not |
| 19:11.48 | amro | no, I just said it wouldn't |
| 19:11.52 | amro | that's why you need the parens |
| 19:12.06 | cm100 | thats what i thought |
| 19:12.18 | amro | lua> function (a) print(a) end ("abc") |
| 19:12.18 | lua_bot | amro: luabot:1: '<name>' expected near '(' |
| 19:12.37 | cm100 | >lua (function (a) print(a) end );("abc") |
| 19:12.40 | cm100 | duh |
| 19:12.42 | cm100 | lua> (function (a) print(a) end );("abc") |
| 19:12.42 | lua_bot | cm100: luabot:1: syntax error near ';' |
| 19:12.49 | amro | why the separator? |
| 19:12.56 | cm100 | you said it was a statement |
| 19:13.03 | amro | yes |
| 19:13.10 | nevcairiel | I think its hopeless |
| 19:13.17 | amro | same |
| 19:13.19 | amro | read pil already |
| 19:13.20 | cm100 | is ("abs") part of the statement? |
| 19:13.27 | amro | it could be |
| 19:13.33 | amro | but ("abs") itself isn't a statement |
| 19:14.01 | cm100 | so ("abs") isnt a function call? :) |
| 19:14.10 | amro | now you're just trolling |
| 19:14.13 | cm100 | no seriously |
| 19:14.26 | amro | what programming experience do you have? |
| 19:14.47 | cm100 | im pretty sure what ever I say, will be wrong |
| 19:15.24 | amro | why? you have memory problems? |
| 19:15.54 | cm100 | no, since i am really sure you will backtalk it, whatever the reply is |
| 19:16.07 | amro | that's not my intent |
| 19:16.14 | cm100 | "20 years of c? lol, you haven't learnt anything" |
| 19:16.22 | amro | ... |
| 19:16.43 | cbreak | cm100: to call a function you need a function |
| 19:16.44 | cm100 | dude, this is irc - asking me what my coding experience is just a bait :) |
| 19:17.00 | cbreak | cm100: did you grasp that simple concept? |
| 19:17.12 | amro | cm100: no, it's not |
| 19:17.25 | cm100 | cbreak: yes. Is ("abc") a function call? |
| 19:17.29 | amro | coming in here and saying that lua is the worst language is a bait |
| 19:17.35 | cbreak | cm100: where do you see a function? |
| 19:17.46 | cm100 | cbreak: (function (a) print(a) end ) |
| 19:17.48 | cbreak | cm100: honestly, get a brain |
| 19:17.49 | cbreak | then get eyes |
| 19:17.54 | cbreak | then use both |
| 19:18.06 | cm100 | cbreak: (function (a) print(a) end ) <-- this isnt a function? |
| 19:18.07 | amro | cm100: f(x) is a function call. (x) is not. |
| 19:18.10 | cbreak | a function call needs both a function, and call arguments |
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| 19:19.04 | cm100 | ok, so what is ("abc") if it isnt a function call |
| 19:19.14 | sacarasc | Where would one have to go to get somewhat quick support for an addon from Curse? |
| 19:19.19 | cm100 | or, what - (function (a) print(a) end ) <-- this isnt a function?? |
| 19:19.45 | amro | sacarasc: what kind of support? |
| 19:20.02 | cm100 | cbreak: from my experience, thats called an anonymous function |
| 19:20.18 | cbreak | cm100: surprise surprise |
| 19:20.24 | sacarasc | An addon is not functioning properly. Just want to find out if there's anything I can do to fix it knowing 0 Lua. |
| 19:20.25 | cm100 | cbreak: meaning? |
| 19:20.38 | amro | cm100: yep. if you add () to it, it becomes a function call. if you stick a random () as a separate statement, you get a syntax error |
| 19:20.46 | amro | sacarasc: contact the author |
| 19:21.14 | cm100 | amro: so ("abc") is a function call |
| 19:21.21 | amro | no |
| 19:21.30 | sacarasc | Thought that would be it. |
| 19:21.32 | amro | I'm calling troll at this point |
| 19:21.36 | cm100 | <amro> cm100: yep. if you add () to it, it becomes a function call. |
| 19:21.54 | amro | way to conveniently leave out the rest of my message |
| 19:21.55 | cm100 | dude, i am just trying to understand what you are saying |
| 19:22.40 | amro | 200 is the number 200. 00 is not the number 200. |
| 19:22.40 | cm100 | this is crazy. You guys are saying that: (function (a) print(a) end )("abc") <-- is not a function declaration nor a function call |
| 19:22.50 | amro | no, the WHOLE THING is both |
| 19:23.02 | amro | you can't randomly split it and expect soemthing meaningful to come out on both ends |
| 19:23.13 | cm100 | yea, so ("abc") call on (function (a) print(a) end ) <-- right? |
| 19:23.25 | amro | what? |
| 19:23.27 | cm100 | calls on |
| 19:23.43 | cm100 | god give me strenght :) |
| 19:23.45 | amro | it's no different from someFunction("abc") |
| 19:23.55 | cm100 | so its a FRIKKEN FUNCTION CALL |
| 19:24.04 | cm100 | dude, don't troll |
| 19:24.09 | amro | the whole thing is a function call. ("abc") alone is not |
| 19:24.24 | cbreak | cm100: stop being dumb... |
| 19:24.43 | cm100 | amro: so this is a function call: (function (a) print(a) end )("abc") ? |
| 19:24.57 | amro | yes |
| 19:24.58 | cm100 | what function does it call? dosn't it call the function that does the print? |
| 19:25.06 | amro | yes, |
| 19:25.28 | cbreak | cm100: the function that you define in the same line |
| 19:25.29 | cm100 | You guyys are screwed up, why complicate things |
| 19:25.35 | amro | .... |
| 19:25.39 | amro | where's Cide when you need him? |
| 19:25.52 | cm100 | ive asked a million times, isnt (function (a) print(a) end ) a declared function and got the answer "no" |
| 19:26.01 | cbreak | cm100: it does not declare a function |
| 19:26.01 | amro | no, you never asked that |
| 19:26.04 | cbreak | stop being an idiot |
| 19:26.09 | cm100 | isnt ("abc") a function call, and got the answer "no" |
| 19:26.12 | cbreak | it defines it |
| 19:26.13 | amro | it isn't |
| 19:27.37 | cbreak | cm100: it's just a string in brackets |
| 19:27.50 | cm100 | this is your logic: (car)(horse) <-- isnt (horse) a horse? no. isn't (car) a car? no. but (car)(horse) is a car and a horse. then, logic dictates, (car) is a car and (horse) is a horse |
| 19:28.01 | amro | ... |
| 19:28.07 | cbreak | cm100: do you know C? |
| 19:28.07 | amro | you're making up your own rules here |
| 19:28.23 | cbreak | cm100: well, you're probably too stupid to know C |
| 19:28.30 | Shirik | (function (a) print (a) end) does not delare a function, it creates a closure |
| 19:28.36 | cm100 | in real world, (function (a) print(a) end ) <-- this is your declared/defined function, which gets called by ("abc") <-- the function call |
| 19:28.46 | cbreak | if you would know C, you would know that in C, a function call can be like this: abc("abc") |
| 19:28.49 | amro | Shirik: good luck, now you get to explain closure |
| 19:28.50 | nevcairiel | closure is just a funky name for a function |
| 19:28.51 | Shirik | You are not thinking in Lua |
| 19:28.54 | Shirik | No it's not |
| 19:29.06 | Shirik | a closure is a function and associated upvalues |
| 19:29.06 | amro | cm100: no, that's not the real world, that's your fantasy world |
| 19:29.10 | Shirik | a function is just a definition |
| 19:29.19 | amro | a function call requires both a function and arguments |
| 19:29.25 | cm100 | this might be special lua lingo, but you still have defined a function body and you call on it. Don't say otherwise. |
| 19:29.32 | Shirik | No |
| 19:29.32 | amro | no, this is programming lingo |
| 19:29.36 | cm100 | no, it isnt |
| 19:29.39 | Shirik | Dude |
| 19:29.43 | Shirik | Shut up for a second and listen |
| 19:29.48 | Shirik | There is a significant difference you are missing here |
| 19:29.50 | cbreak | cm100: what does printf("test") do in C? |
| 19:30.00 | Shirik | In C, you define a function and you call it |
| 19:30.21 | cbreak | cm100: the whole thing is a function call |
| 19:30.23 | Shirik | In Lua, you can have anonymous functions that exist only for a split second, which we call closures (there are other closures too) |
| 19:30.27 | Shirik | You are not defining shit |
| 19:30.31 | cbreak | ("test") is just an expression, in both C and Lua |
| 19:30.50 | cm100 | it doesnt call anything? |
| 19:30.55 | cbreak | in C? |
| 19:30.56 | cbreak | no |
| 19:31.00 | cm100 | and in lua? |
| 19:31.03 | cbreak | in lua? no. |
| 19:31.03 | amro | no |
| 19:31.04 | Shirik | (function (a) print(a) end ) is known only to the compiler and you can't get access to it again (unless you use it while it's on the stack) |
| 19:31.14 | nevcairiel | I still think calling them anonymous functions is just wrong, they are a function like any other, they just vanish soon after |
| 19:31.25 | Shirik | But it's just a value |
| 19:31.31 | amro | exactly |
| 19:31.43 | cm100 | so () calls on the last defined function? |
| 19:31.49 | nevcairiel | no |
| 19:31.51 | Shirik | No |
| 19:31.56 | Shirik | It calls the value that immediately precedes it |
| 19:32.00 | Shirik | I can do ({})() if I want to |
| 19:32.02 | Shirik | which calls a table |
| 19:32.06 | Shirik | I can do (1)() which calls 1 |
| 19:32.09 | nevcairiel | I can also do print"foo" |
| 19:32.11 | nevcairiel | ! |
| 19:32.19 | Shirik | (which means very little unless you employ trickery, but you can) |
| 19:32.28 | amro | even print{"foo"} |
| 19:32.29 | cm100 | lua> (function (a) print("0"..a) end )(function (a) print("1"..a) end )("abc") |
| 19:32.29 | lua_bot | cm100: luabot:1: attempt to concatenate local 'a' (a function value) |
| 19:32.59 | amro | you just passed the second function as argument to the first |
| 19:33.06 | Cide | amro: you called? |
| 19:33.10 | Shirik | and tried to concat it |
| 19:33.19 | amro | Cide: yes, do that thing that you do when people don't get it |
| 19:33.28 | Cide | to whom |
| 19:33.30 | nevcairiel | be your usual charming self |
| 19:33.31 | amro | cm100 |
| 19:33.34 | nevcairiel | :d |
| 19:33.45 | cm100 | cide: that would probably be me, im obviously the guy that doesnt "get it" |
| 19:33.47 | Cide | still raving about vm shit? |
| 19:34.01 | nevcairiel | nah, trying to get him to read pil for an hour or so |
| 19:34.07 | Cide | oh |
| 19:34.12 | Shirik | Look it boils down to something simple, cm100 |
| 19:34.17 | Shirik | This is Lua. Functions are values. |
| 19:34.24 | Shirik | It is very different from C and most every other language that exists |
| 19:34.33 | Shirik | (Actually closures are values but I'm not getting into that now) |
| 19:34.38 | nevcairiel | I said that an hour ago |
| 19:34.42 | Cide | also |
| 19:34.50 | Shirik | Well it apparently hasn't sunk in |
| 19:34.56 | Cide | lua.org/pil tells you everything you need to know |
| 19:34.57 | Shirik | also I'm hungry |
| 19:35.02 | Cide | read it or die() |
| 19:35.29 | Shirik | lol |
| 19:35.30 | Cide | (read_it or die)() |
| 19:35.38 | Elkano | ~emulate Cide |
| 19:35.38 | purl | Please remove this discussion from your consciousness. |
| 19:35.42 | Cide | NO |
| 19:35.45 | Cide | DO NOT REMOVE IT |
| 19:35.47 | cm100 | amro: i am still thinking how i manage to pass the second "function" to the second, and not ("abc") to the second |
| 19:36.01 | Elkano | hmm, I thought it would result in "Go read PIL" ^^ |
| 19:36.39 | Shirik | cm100: (function (...) end)((function (...) end), ("abc")) ? |
| 19:36.41 | Shirik | Is that what you're saying |
| 19:36.47 | Shirik | or are you trying to pass a function to itself? |
| 19:37.13 | cm100 | no, i wanted to see what got printed, 0 or 1 |
| 19:37.35 | Shirik | Well first you need to stop creating an error |
| 19:37.39 | Shirik | (function (a) print("0"..a) end )(function (a) print("1"..a) end )("abc") |
| 19:37.47 | Shirik | Is an error because you're trying to concatenate "0" with a function |
| 19:38.26 | cm100 | lua> (function (a) print("0"..a) end )((function (a) print("1"..a) end )("abc")) |
| 19:38.26 | lua_bot | cm100: 1abc, luabot:1: attempt to concatenate local 'a' (a nil value) |
| 19:38.52 | Shirik | your function didn't return anything |
| 19:39.00 | Shirik | it prints "1abc" and then returns nothing |
| 19:39.02 | Elkano | yeah, the printing is a side effect... |
| 19:39.10 | cm100 | side effect? |
| 19:39.39 | Elkano | (I should stop getting involved; I'll just confuse him even more) |
| 19:39.45 | Shirik | lua> (function (a) return ("0"..a) end )((function (a) return ("1"..a) end )("abc")) |
| 19:39.45 | lua_bot | Shirik: 01abc |
| 19:40.07 | cm100 | what did you do as a difference? |
| 19:40.15 | Shirik | changed print to return |
| 19:40.28 | cm100 | o.O |
| 19:40.37 | cm100 | so, a single print doesnt work for the bot? |
| 19:40.38 | Shirik | If you are not aware of the difference you need to read pil |
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| 19:40.46 | Shirik | No, print and return are radically different |
| 19:40.55 | cm100 | yea, but why didnt print work? |
| 19:41.30 | Ackis | anyone here playing DCU? |
| 19:41.31 | Shirik | because they do completely different things |
| 19:41.46 | cm100 | lua> (function(x) print(x) end)("foo") |
| 19:41.46 | lua_bot | cm100: foo |
| 19:42.18 | Shirik | Who says Lua isn't a functional language! |
| 19:42.27 | cm100 | im leaning towards that the bot can't handle multiple prints |
| 19:42.34 | sylvanaar | wow i fell asleep in my chair |
| 19:42.39 | Shirik | I'm leaning towards you fundamental don't understand basic concepts |
| 19:42.45 | Shirik | fundamentally* |
| 19:42.52 | Shirik | And need to read pil |
| 19:42.55 | sylvanaar | worst yet, its like the same conversation that was on when i fell asleep |
| 19:43.19 | Thunder_Child | Ackis: i asked that a few days ago and never did get an answer |
| 19:43.27 | Shirik | Asked what |
| 19:43.30 | cm100 | this makes no sense, why doesnt print work on my example? and in armo's example |
| 19:43.30 | cm100 | bah |
| 19:43.39 | Thunder_Child | what Ackis just asked Shirik |
| 19:43.41 | cbreak | cm100: because you're dumb... |
| 19:43.46 | Ackis | Thunder_Child: I'm just installing it... and brb |
| 19:43.46 | Shirik | Oh I missed that |
| 19:43.54 | Shirik | wtf is DCU |
| 19:43.56 | Shirik | oh |
| 19:44.01 | Thunder_Child | Ackis: ok, let me know how it turns out, seems to have good ratings |
| 19:44.05 | cm100 | cbreak: yea, must be huh |
| 19:44.46 | Ackis | Thunder_Child: My friends seem to like it, I was just wondering if the CE stuff is only good on 1 account or not |
| 19:44.59 | Ackis | s/account/character/ |
| 19:45.19 | cm100 | (function (a) return ("0"..a) end )((function (a) return ("1"..a) end )("abc")) <-- this passes abc to 1 and then 1+abc to 0, making 01abc |
| 19:45.44 | sylvanaar | like what? |
| 19:46.33 | Shirik | Yes |
| 19:46.40 | Shirik | Now if you replace it with print, what does it do? |
| 19:47.05 | sylvanaar | what are you using for an editor cm100 |
| 19:47.13 | Primer | Up until a few days ago I used to be able to hover over the money are in Combuctor and it would show me the total for the realm. All of a sudden it stopped doing it. Anyone know if Combuctor itself is doing this, or some other addon? |
| 19:47.38 | cm100 | right you can't concatenate with nil |
| 19:47.40 | cm100 | in lua |
| 19:47.43 | Shirik | correct |
| 19:48.05 | Ackis | Primer: some other addon |
| 19:48.25 | Primer | I wish I could figure out which |
| 19:48.25 | cm100 | so what other languages can do this "instance function calling"? |
| 19:48.39 | Ackis | Primer: he took out bagnon_forever from the combuctor package, so a) download bagnon and install bagnon_forever and bagnon_tooltips or b) install bagsync (which he added an api for) |
| 19:48.53 | Primer | because I really liked that. Granted, I have 2 other addons that sum up my totals |
| 19:49.04 | Ackis | @project bagsync |
| 19:49.05 | Repo | Ackis: http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/bagsync/. BagSync. Game: WoW. Xruptor (Manager/Author). Updated: 20 days ago |
| 19:49.06 | cm100 | lua> print("sandra"); (function(x) print(x) end)("foo") |
| 19:49.06 | Primer | but their reporting isn't as convenient |
| 19:49.06 | lua_bot | cm100: sandra, foo |
| 19:49.09 | Ackis | it's on wowi as well Primer |
| 19:49.16 | Primer | Ackis: thanks |
| 19:50.34 | Shirik | cm100: Any functional language |
| 19:50.44 | cm100 | not java :> |
| 19:50.44 | Shirik | Hell for that matter C++0x can |
| 19:50.51 | Shirik | Java is not a functional language |
| 19:50.57 | cm100 | define functional |
| 19:51.00 | amro | Java is a non-functional language |
| 19:51.06 | amro | cm100: look it up |
| 19:51.09 | Shirik | A.... functional.... language |
| 19:51.15 | Shirik | ~wiki functional language |
| 19:51.25 | cm100 | ah, ok |
| 19:51.39 | cm100 | could also be intepreted as "working" |
| 19:51.49 | amro | not if you have a clue about programming paradigms |
| 19:51.51 | *** part/#wowuidev sacarasc (sacarasc@xmms2/bitch/sacarasc) |
| 19:51.55 | cm100 | "lol java is not a real working language, its kiddiescripting" |
| 19:52.58 | Dagmar | 'cept it runs Minecraft |
| 19:53.07 | Dagmar | yay minecraft! |
| 19:53.56 | Shirik | (defun fib(n) (if (< n 3) 1 (+ (fib (- n 1)) (fib (- n 2))))) |
| 19:54.03 | Shirik | That is the fibonacci series in Lisp |
| 19:54.09 | Shirik | Lisp is a functional language |
| 19:54.33 | cm100 | and so it js |
| 19:54.39 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 19:54.45 | Fisker | i found out what the doomsday device in fringe is |
| 19:54.47 | Shirik | js is not |
| 19:54.56 | Shirik | it has lambdas but it is not a functional language |
| 19:55.01 | Dagmar | Fisker: It turns PB into a giant disco ball |
| 19:55.35 | Fisker | no Dagmar |
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| 19:55.44 | cm100 | Shirik: seems like its yes and no on javascript |
| 19:55.48 | Fisker | http://marlamin.com/lister//misc/fringe/vlcsnap-2011-01-29-13h32m49s12.png |
| 19:55.51 | Shirik | no, it's no |
| 19:55.56 | Dagmar | ...although it's kinda staring us in the face that they've got the "real" PB back in otherworld and we're looking at a shapeshifter |
| 19:55.57 | Fisker | it's a ankichatter chatserver Dagmar |
| 19:56.11 | Shirik | There are fundamental restrictions missing from Javascript that prevent it from being a functional language |
| 19:56.29 | cm100 | Shirik: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3962604/is-javascript-a-functional-programming-language |
| 19:56.49 | Shirik | javascript is not a functional language |
| 19:56.53 | Shirik | it is a language with functional concepts |
| 19:56.58 | Shirik | It is a procedural language |
| 19:57.13 | cm100 | do you have anything to back that up? that it isnt? |
| 19:57.14 | amro | lua isn't functional either, it just has many functional concepts |
| 19:57.23 | amro | cm100: the definition of "functional language" |
| 19:57.34 | Shirik | How about the fact that javascript lets you define variables |
| 19:57.38 | amro | ^ |
| 19:57.38 | Shirik | That's a pretty significant flaw |
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| 19:58.01 | cm100 | Shirik: a functional langauge doesn't allow you to define variables? |
| 19:58.12 | Shirik | No, because there is no reason to |
| 19:58.12 | amro | cm100: yes, did you read the wiki he linked/ |
| 19:58.23 | amro | functional languages keep state in arguments |
| 19:58.26 | Shirik | Look, functional programming is a really complicated subject and if you don't know it I really can't teach it in 5 minutes |
| 19:58.53 | Shirik | But the side you're arguing on really doesn't make any sense |
| 19:59.15 | Fisker | do you see Dagmar ? |
| 19:59.26 | Dagmar | Do I see what? |
| 19:59.35 | cm100 | Shirik: alright, i can understand that |
| 20:00.10 | Shirik | Dagmar: You are trying to pull meaning out of a statement by Fisker |
| 20:00.13 | Shirik | I suggest you stop doing that |
| 20:01.00 | Fisker | that the doomsdaydevice is an ankichatter chatserver Dagmar |
| 20:01.15 | cm100 | Shirik: lisp is a pure functional language? |
| 20:01.32 | Shirik | common lisp, yes |
| 20:01.41 | Dagmar | Fisker: Still not see4ing anything that makes sense |
| 20:01.49 | cm100 | you had to say "common" :/ |
| 20:01.59 | Shirik | Well there are many dialects of lisp |
| 20:02.10 | cm100 | yea, well |
| 20:02.39 | Fisker | http://marlamin.com/lister//misc/fringe/vlcsnap-2011-01-29-13h32m49s12.png look under the failure line |
| 20:02.46 | *** part/#wowuidev Warloco (~theunknow@abarelds.xs4all.nl) |
| 20:02.58 | cm100 | you can say that with everything and get away with it |
| 20:03.01 | *** join/#wowuidev Warloco (~theunknow@abarelds.xs4all.nl) |
| 20:03.09 | Fisker | strcpy(buf,"\n\n\t\t\tWelcome to AnKiChaTTEr chat server\n\n\n"); |
| 20:03.10 | Fisker | etc. |
| 20:03.57 | amro | http://www.planet-source-code.com/vb/scripts/ShowCode.asp?txtCodeId=7901&lngWId=3 |
| 20:04.00 | amro | I wonder if they got permission |
| 20:04.01 | cm100 | Can you store variables in HTML? well, not by default |
| 20:04.31 | amro | html is something else entirely, stop saying random things |
| 20:04.35 | Shirik | HTML is not a programming language |
| 20:04.46 | cm100 | no, but the question is if it could store variables |
| 20:04.49 | Cide | and it can't |
| 20:04.57 | Shirik | Can an apple store variables? No |
| 20:04.58 | Cide | html is entirely static |
| 20:05.04 | Shirik | That doesn't make it a functional language |
| 20:05.10 | amro | that's epic Shirik |
| 20:05.11 | Shirik | Have you ever had a discrete structures course? |
| 20:05.14 | Shirik | a -> b |
| 20:05.16 | cm100 | well, depends on the rendered, doesnt? HTML can probably store variables if it has a rendered that allows it |
| 20:05.17 | amro | I want that on a t-shirt |
| 20:05.20 | Shirik | This does not mean b -> a |
| 20:05.22 | Cide | no |
| 20:05.26 | Cide | html cannot store anything period |
| 20:05.40 | cm100 | why can't it? |
| 20:05.47 | Cide | if you want to come with unorthodox and stupid statements at least take a course in functional stupidity before you do |
| 20:05.48 | Shirik | Because it is a markup language |
| 20:05.51 | amro | for the 3rd time, I call troll |
| 20:06.15 | Cide | you're probably right |
| 20:06.19 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 20:06.19 | cm100 | yea, but that doesn't say it CANT store variables, does it? It depends on the render engine |
| 20:06.25 | Shirik | No |
| 20:06.28 | Cide | no, it does not |
| 20:06.28 | cm100 | fine |
| 20:06.31 | Shirik | Then the engine is storing variables |
| 20:06.37 | Shirik | Not HTML |
| 20:06.53 | Cide | can a car fly? well maybe, if it is carried by an airplane? |
| 20:07.04 | cm100 | Cide: exactly |
| 20:07.05 | nevcairiel | HTML is a description language, its not a programming language |
| 20:07.08 | cm100 | :) funny example tho |
| 20:07.16 | amro | cm100: your brain is backwards |
| 20:07.17 | Cide | I was explaining how stupid you are |
| 20:07.26 | cm100 | Cide: I got it |
| 20:07.32 | Cide | the car has not gained the ability to fly simply because it is airborne |
| 20:07.57 | amro | it gained the ability to fly because it belongs to batman and his gadgets can do anything |
| 20:08.03 | Cide | exactly |
| 20:08.07 | cm100 | my point is, everything can probably be exploited to strengthen a certain point or statement |
| 20:08.19 | amro | that's just wrong |
| 20:08.30 | amro | you must have a degree in being wrong all the time |
| 20:09.20 | Shirik | I have a degree in being right all the time |
| 20:09.28 | Cide | except when you contest my statements |
| 20:09.29 | Shirik | that's what the "with distinction" part means |
| 20:09.40 | Cide | psh |
| 20:09.48 | Fisker | kisses Shirik |
| 20:09.59 | Cide | you didn't get 4.0 avg during your bs did you |
| 20:10.22 | cm100 | ok, so everyone here says that HTML can't store variables right? |
| 20:10.33 | Cide | no |
| 20:10.38 | Cide | since you do |
| 20:10.39 | nevcairiel | HTML cant even interact with the user |
| 20:10.46 | cm100 | can a lua-script store a variable? |
| 20:10.47 | nevcairiel | its a static description language |
| 20:11.10 | Cide | lua, when executed, has the capability to store and retrieve variables |
| 20:11.17 | Cide | html cannot be executed even; it can be rendered |
| 20:11.19 | cm100 | interesting question, can a lua-script store a variable? |
| 20:11.25 | cm100 | yes or no |
| 20:11.28 | Nobgul | Yes |
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| 20:11.31 | nevcairiel | sure it can |
| 20:11.38 | Cide | if you're looking into exploiting the subtleties of "a script storing a variable", you're just being stupid |
| 20:11.53 | Fisker | s/lua/LUA/ |
| 20:11.55 | cm100 | So, what makes a lua script able to store a variable and not HTML? The engine right? |
| 20:12.00 | Cide | no. |
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| 20:12.03 | Cide | get the fuck out |
| 20:12.07 | nevcairiel | Lua is a programming language |
| 20:12.07 | Cide | also |
| 20:12.09 | nevcairiel | HTML is not |
| 20:12.09 | Cide | I called it |
| 20:12.35 | nevcairiel | Why do people keep bringing up HTML when talking about programming languages |
| 20:12.45 | nevcairiel | You don't programm websites, you design them, using a description language |
| 20:12.53 | Fisker | LUA nevcairiel |
| 20:12.58 | Cide | what gives us the ability to say that lua has the capacity to store variables is the fact that there is a specification for the lua programming language |
| 20:13.02 | nevcairiel | Next up: The pros and cons of XML as a programming language |
| 20:13.04 | Cide | the specification includes said capability |
| 20:13.08 | cm100 | nevcairiel: yes, lua is a programming language. But i haven't envolved that yet. I have only mentinoed "lua-script" and "HTML" so far - bare with me |
| 20:13.16 | Nobgul | This is a chat channel for lua. Not html if you want to debate, any other prgramming language then find another channel to do it in. cm100, I will not warn you again. |
| 20:13.21 | cm100 | involved* |
| 20:13.22 | amro | nevcairiel: but but, does it scale with multiple processors? |
| 20:13.32 | nevcairiel | its XML, it can do everything |
| 20:13.37 | Cide | if you code a lua vm or whatever, you follow the specification; if you don't, it's not lua anymore |
| 20:13.41 | Cide | same goes with HTML |
| 20:14.02 | Cide | if you include some way to store variables with your own personal HTML renderer, it's no longer an HTML renderer |
| 20:14.12 | amro | cm100: you're asking why cats can fly since birds can and birds are animals too |
| 20:14.17 | Cide | since the specification for html includes no such capabilities |
| 20:14.18 | nevcairiel | You're still missing the most important point: HTML is NOT a programming language |
| 20:14.20 | amro | can't* |
| 20:14.21 | nevcairiel | it even says so in the name |
| 20:14.25 | nevcairiel | Markup Language |
| 20:14.41 | cm100 | nevcairiel: True, but you are looking at the specifics now and not how it can be used. |
| 20:14.45 | amro | I didn't think it was possible for someone to be this wrong in a single evening |
| 20:15.04 | Nobgul | cm100: Enough. |
| 20:15.14 | nevcairiel | I can't even fathom how anyone would build up this argument in his head |
| 20:15.22 | amro | just trolling |
| 20:15.25 | Nobgul | If you have a question about lua ask it otherwise just hush. |
| 20:15.30 | cm100 | Everyone is going off-topic and coming with random statements now. So, what makes a lua script able to store a variable and not HTML? Both are written as plain text.. so it has to be how they are interpreted right? |
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| 20:15.36 | Cide | read |
| 20:15.37 | Cide | my |
| 20:15.39 | Cide | statements |
| 20:15.40 | Cide | above |
| 20:15.45 | Cide | and your question will be answered |
| 20:15.47 | Cide | now get the fuck out |
| 20:15.48 | amro | he's doing it on purpose |
| 20:15.55 | Fisker | LUA's Used as as Acronym |
| 20:16.06 | amro | see, fisker's acting up |
| 20:16.08 | amro | he's been outdone |
| 20:16.13 | Fisker | yeah :( |
| 20:16.23 | nevcairiel | look, he made a recursive acronym |
| 20:16.24 | Fisker | i'm pulling all the cards now |
| 20:16.30 | nevcairiel | thats more smart then his usual acting up |
| 20:16.34 | cm100 | no, i am making a point. But you guys just want to prove me wrong by saying "well, HTML is a markup language - its says so on wiki" |
| 20:16.48 | amro | cm100: no, it says so in the fucking name |
| 20:16.59 | amro | cm100: stop saying stupid things |
| 20:17.02 | cm100 | i ask again- please someone answer - So, what makes a lua script able to store a variable and not HTML? Both are written as plain text.. so it has to be how they are interpreted right? |
| 20:17.07 | Cide | RRAIR: Recursive Acronym Is Recursive |
| 20:17.09 | Cide | can we kick him? |
| 20:17.13 | greppy | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:17.14 | Nobgul | Mabey |
| 20:17.15 | cm100 | just answer the question.. |
| 20:17.16 | dolby | the engine cm100 |
| 20:17.21 | cm100 | dolby: Correct! |
| 20:17.24 | Nobgul | Waiting on dolby or Cairenn |
| 20:17.40 | Mikk | HTML is not a programming language in any way |
| 20:17.50 | nevcairiel | The engine is implemented to the specifications of the language |
| 20:17.51 | Mikk | see definition of programming language |
| 20:17.55 | nevcairiel | so its the specification of the language |
| 20:18.12 | Cide | if you do not implement the specification of the language (by extensions or otherwise) it is no longer an engine of that language |
| 20:18.24 | cm100 | So, why can't HTML store variables if we create a new engine that parses HTML? It all depends on how it's intepreted. IT's not like we haven't seen things gone wild with HTML before (thanks to microsoft and mozilla) |
| 20:18.25 | Cide | so you do not have the ability to roll your own engine with variable storage and still call it html |
| 20:18.33 | Cide | now get out |
| 20:18.38 | dolby | its all just text, its called what its called based upon the specifications of the lang... yeah what nevcairiel said |
| 20:18.47 | amro | HTML can't store variables because it's not designed to. just as a glove doesn't open locks because it's not designed to. |
| 20:18.48 | cm100 | Cide: now yo're getting it. But Microsoft has managed, right? :) |
| 20:18.53 | Mikk | HTML DOES NOT EVEN HAVE VARIABLES |
| 20:18.56 | amro | if you attach a key to a glove, you can no longer call it a glove |
| 20:19.05 | Mikk | IT LACKS THINGS TO BE STORED TO BEGIN WITH |
| 20:19.08 | Mikk | is being trolled i know |
| 20:19.25 | cm100 | Cide: quick question - do you think its possible to store variables in HTML if you are using Internet Explorer 6? |
| 20:19.26 | amro | cm100: do you even have a point/ |
| 20:19.39 | cm100 | Cide: yes or no |
| 20:19.48 | amro | wow i'm laughing so hard here |
| 20:19.58 | amro | hands Cide a 2x4 |
| 20:20.01 | cm100 | amro: what do you think? do you think its possible to store variables in HTML if you are using Internet Explorer 6? |
| 20:20.12 | Mikk | HTML does not have variables |
| 20:20.15 | Mikk | your question is invalid |
| 20:20.23 | amro | ^ |
| 20:20.24 | Cairenn | cm100: stop already |
| 20:20.57 | Cairenn | you are >< close to being kickbanned from the channel for trolling - either get reasonable or leave |
| 20:21.06 | cm100 | Well, i rest my case. Just because HTML specifics say, you guys are too afraid to say if IE6 does or does not store variables, based on a HTML |
| 20:21.24 | nevcairiel | HTML does not have variables, so there is nothing any browser could store |
| 20:21.30 | amro | when did IE6 come into the picture? |
| 20:21.33 | amro | weren't we talking about lua? |
| 20:21.53 | cm100 | amro: when we are talking about that different engines does different things, based on a common source |
| 20:21.55 | Shirik | oh wow |
| 20:22.00 | Shirik | what did I miss while I checked the AH |
| 20:22.04 | Cide | epics |
| 20:22.05 | Shirik | even dolby talked |
| 20:22.11 | Nobgul | cm100: Do you understand STOP |
| 20:22.32 | cm100 | Im totally done. all exhausted - phew. |
| 20:22.45 | cm100 | I just did the worlds longest point, and proved it. |
| 20:22.49 | dolby | HTML has specifications/standards so people can write things that can read/render it |
| 20:22.50 | Cide | and now get out |
| 20:22.53 | *** kick/#wowuidev [cm100!~mpdelbuon@WoWUIDev/WoWIStaff/Norganna/StatisticalEngineer/Shirik] by Shirik (bye) |
| 20:22.58 | dolby | change that then it all breaks |
| 20:23.03 | Cairenn | seriously, what a tool |
| 20:23.07 | Fisker | yeah |
| 20:23.09 | Cide | who thinks ie6 proves anything about html period |
| 20:23.10 | Fisker | i hate trolls |
| 20:23.14 | Cide | I mean |
| 20:23.18 | dolby | lol yeah |
| 20:23.18 | Cairenn | smacks Fisker |
| 20:23.21 | Cairenn | :p |
| 20:23.22 | Cide | if ie6 does it that means html DOESN'T do it by definition |
| 20:23.29 | amro | ~Cide++ |
| 20:23.30 | Fisker | :D |
| 20:23.39 | dolby | ie6 needs to die faster |
| 20:23.43 | Cairenn | Fisker: you're our troll, you can get away with it ... to a point ... |
| 20:23.53 | Shirik | the problem is Fisker likes getting kicked |
| 20:24.43 | amro | nah, Fisker knows better than to bring up ie6 as an argument |
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| 20:24.56 | Shirik | lol |
| 20:25.13 | *** kick/#wowuidev [Cairenn!~dolby@MMOI/Administrator/pdpc.silver.dolby] by dolby (Cairenn) |
| 20:25.13 | *** join/#wowuidev Cairenn (~Spare@MMOI/Administratrix/Cairenn) |
| 20:25.13 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Cairenn] by ChanServ |
| 20:25.18 | Shirik | !!! |
| 20:25.20 | Cairenn | lol |
| 20:25.21 | dolby | >:) |
| 20:25.27 | Nobgul | >_< |
| 20:25.40 | Cairenn | purrs at dolby, "again, baby, again!" |
| 20:26.01 | Cide | that's what she said |
| 20:26.14 | amro | that's topic-worthy |
| 20:26.17 | *** kick/#wowuidev [Nobgul!~dolby@MMOI/Administrator/pdpc.silver.dolby] by dolby (Nobgul) |
| 20:26.19 | amro | speaking of, it's shirik's bday? |
| 20:26.22 | *** join/#wowuidev Nobgul (~none@unaffiliated/nobgul) |
| 20:26.23 | Shirik | yes |
| 20:26.26 | Nobgul | oh damn |
| 20:26.28 | amro | happy birthday |
| 20:26.28 | Nobgul | >_< |
| 20:26.29 | Nobgul | lol |
| 20:26.40 | Shirik | my birthday lasts over a week |
| 20:26.42 | Shirik | I'm that awesome |
| 20:26.47 | Fisker | i wish mine did |
| 20:27.06 | amro | that or you were born insanely fat and that's how long it took |
| 20:27.17 | dolby | Shirik is the man |
| 20:27.26 | Cide | I'm actually 21 +- 2 years old |
| 20:27.37 | Cide | that's how long MY birthday is |
| 20:28.17 | ScytheBlade1 | ~stab Shirik |
| 20:28.17 | purl | ACTION runs at Shirik with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 20:28.32 | *** kick/#wowuidev [Shirik!~dolby@MMOI/Administrator/pdpc.silver.dolby] by dolby (Shirik) |
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| 20:28.46 | dolby | birthday week kick |
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| 20:29.17 | mckenziemc | i feel sorry for your mother if it took a week to give birth |
| 20:29.21 | Nobgul | lol |
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| 20:31.46 | cm100 | oh hai, btw, you store variables in HTML by using hidden fields. And yes, you can argue that i am wrong and you don't store variables - but you know thats the purpose of those fields. Thanks for the kick :) (and probably the ban now, cya!) |
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| 20:32.16 | amro | was that a drive-by trolling? |
| 20:32.17 | Seerah | seriously? |
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| 20:32.55 | dolby | lol |
| 20:32.55 | Maldivia | "your wish is my command" ? |
| 20:32.58 | Seerah | I think so. He didn't want to be proven wrong or hear any arguments to the contrary, so... More like "I'm going to get in the last word - lalalalalalalala I can't hear you" is how that went, I think. |
| 20:33.09 | Cairenn | yep, pretty much |
| 20:33.09 | Mikk | myep |
| 20:34.02 | cbreak | he got himself kicked? |
| 20:34.03 | cbreak | nice |
| 20:34.23 | cbreak | was running out of names to call him by |
| 20:34.56 | Nobgul | lol |
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| 20:35.05 | Shirik | oh he was yelling at me in tells |
| 20:35.09 | Shirik | I just ignored it |
| 20:35.11 | amro | do paste |
| 20:35.18 | Seerah | orly? |
| 20:35.25 | amro | there's nothing to watch until tuesday |
| 20:35.27 | Shirik | window closed already |
| 20:35.52 | cbreak | haha... he claimed HTML has variables? |
| 20:35.57 | Fisker | SWEDISH BUTTER |
| 20:38.18 | Elkano | well, I wouldn't be so sure it hasn't ;) who knows what M$ put in ther stuff... |
| 20:40.41 | dolby | bbcode can store variables |
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| 20:40.54 | dolby | smirks |
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| 20:41.28 | Thunder_Child | i think he is right about the hidden fields, but it's only for the life of the current page. |
| 20:41.29 | Fisker | swedish butter can store variables dolby |
| 20:41.37 | Mikk | that's not a variable |
| 20:41.42 | dolby | very true |
| 20:44.39 | amro | how are hidden fields any different from visible ones? |
| 20:44.45 | amro | from a data perspective |
| 20:44.50 | amro | http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35890 good stuff |
| 20:47.14 | Fisker | obvious troll |
| 20:52.08 | Cide | hidden fields aren't variables |
| 20:52.15 | Cide | they cannot be changed through the use of html |
| 20:52.18 | Cide | nor can they be read |
| 20:52.55 | Cide | they can only be assigned an initial value and that's it |
| 20:53.51 | amro | they're no different from any other tag or attribute |
| 20:58.20 | Fisker | swedish case |
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| 21:12.10 | sylvanaar | wow that guy's finally gone |
| 21:12.30 | Nobgul | yer he got booted |
| 21:13.49 | Fisker | we don't take kindly to trolls in this channel |
| 21:14.13 | Nobgul | only Fisker |
| 21:20.09 | mckenziemc | Here is something you can't un-der-stand; How I could just kill a man! |
| 21:20.51 | amro | I can re-der-stand it |
| 21:22.58 | mckenziemc | retard tank >.> |
| 21:23.18 | mckenziemc | we -just- left combat, and he asks for a rez twice in a row |
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| 23:02.40 | mckenziemc | i seem to be getting a lot of sheep-blind tanks this week |
| 23:03.03 | mckenziemc | "nothing's hitting me i must be out of combat!" |
| 23:03.56 | mckenziemc | (that's not an actual quote, just what must be going on in their heads) |
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| 23:22.42 | Fisker | slaps mckenziemc around a bit with a large trout |
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| 23:28.35 | mckenziemc | ~fiskerslap Fisker's mom |
| 23:28.35 | purl | ACTION slaps Fisker's mom around a bit with Fisker. |
| 23:33.03 | Kraftman | i cant get git working on wowint :'( |
| 23:35.37 | Kraftman | ive created my keys, put my public key on winterface, added my private key to pageant |
| 23:35.44 | Kraftman | wowinterface* |
| 23:35.58 | Kraftman | but i get permission denied when i try and connect |
| 23:36.15 | Kraftman | well when i try and remote push to git@git.wowinterface.com:GuildMaster-87 |
| 23:36.26 | amro | I blame windows |
| 23:42.57 | Cairenn | dolby: ^^ |
| 23:43.00 | Corrodias | blame yourself or god |
| 23:44.23 | amro | Cairenn blames dolby! |
| 23:44.31 | Cairenn | nope |
| 23:44.35 | Cairenn | I just make him aware of it |
| 23:44.54 | amro | no fun, where's the drama :( |
| 23:45.13 | dolby | jnwhiteh: ^^ |
| 23:45.22 | amro | there we go, the blame game! |
| 23:45.24 | amro | ~popcorn |
| 23:45.25 | purl | methinks popcorn is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0f2YL_MThI, which is epic. |
| 23:45.25 | Cairenn | sorry, but as far as I'm concerned, he can do no wrong ... well, except when he starts changing my profile pic |
| 23:45.45 | amro | you disappoint me, purl |
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| 23:46.52 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 23:47.12 | haste | I agreee with amro |
| 23:48.03 | Kraftman | so i need to reroll linux? >< |
| 23:48.34 | haste | I run Linux and can't help you. |
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| 23:50.27 | Algo2 | Hello :) |
| 23:50.34 | Kraftman | hey |
| 23:50.36 | Cairenn | hi |
| 23:50.40 | haste | haroo |
| 23:53.02 | dolby | Kraftman: i dont see anything wrong with your config files on my end. maybe jnwhiteh will have an idea |
| 23:53.21 | Kraftman | ok thanks |
| 23:54.14 | Kraftman | is there a step i have missed besides creating my key pair, loading my private key into pageant, and creating a git GUI at the desired directory? |
| 23:54.45 | amro | Kraftman: I'd double check the keys in pageant |
| 23:54.47 | amro | I don't trust it |
| 23:54.51 | Kraftman | ok |
| 23:55.16 | Cide | and also don't try to use git on windows |
| 23:55.27 | Kraftman | i don't have much choice |
| 23:55.46 | Cide | you can install a linux distro and reboot whenever you want to do development |
| 23:56.23 | haste | running coLinux or something insane would probably be simpler for a Windows user |
| 23:56.40 | Kraftman | how well does WoW run on wine? |
| 23:56.57 | haste | decent |
| 23:57.07 | Adys | Cide, kd3: http://i.imgur.com/fWS1w.png |
| 23:57.08 | Adys | \o/ |
| 23:58.34 | Cide | awfully |
| 23:58.43 | Cide | Adys: nice |
| 23:59.20 | amro | msys-git is supposedly simpler |
