| 00:00.08 | Wobin | Jerub: you reckon? |
| 00:00.12 | Jerub | the scripts can get redflagged in the system and all pharmacies have cameras |
| 00:00.27 | Wobin | no, I meant difficult to track on the social engineering side |
| 00:00.46 | Jerub | oh right, yes |
| 00:00.53 | Wobin | They'll only get redflagged once they find out that they've been gypped |
| 00:01.06 | Wobin | and they won't figure that out til a while after they give the scripts |
| 00:01.41 | Shirik | (18:56:50) (cbreak) git > svn! |
| 00:01.43 | Shirik | Perforce > all |
| 00:01.58 | Wobin | pft |
| 00:02.01 | Wobin | Pie > all |
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| 00:10.25 | kd3 | whuhs? at freenode's ssl today |
| 00:13.15 | Shirik | ? |
| 00:13.28 | kd3 | xchat's bitching about self-signed certs |
| 00:13.31 | Kraps | http://kotaku.com/5732994/this-is-what-a-battle-between-1000-orcs-looks-like-in-world-of-warcraft |
| 00:13.35 | Shirik | ah |
| 00:13.45 | Kraps | [Global Notice] Hi folks! We're about to replace our SSL certificates which could result in some disruption. If stuff gets noisy, please accept our apologies. If you have difficulties using SSL in the next few days, tell us in #freenode. In any case, watch the blog and wallops (/umode +w) for further updates. Cheers! |
| 00:13.56 | kd3 | ah |
| 00:20.22 | zenzelezz | I am intrigued by how Youtube stood around at 0%, "Starting upload", for many minutes... then jumped to 101%, and is now at 103% |
| 00:22.45 | mckenziemc | o.O |
| 00:23.09 | durcyn | it's finished your video and moved on to your porn collection |
| 00:23.22 | zenzelezz | that's not possible |
| 00:23.27 | zenzelezz | my porn's on the other computer |
| 00:24.09 | Kraps | why the heck does capital one feel the need to send me a pamphlet about their rewards program? |
| 00:24.37 | airtonix | because i keep using your address when i sign all those raffle tickets in the malls |
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| 00:26.00 | Kraps | stop that |
| 00:26.06 | Shirik | nno u |
| 00:27.19 | Kraps | i will Shirik you |
| 00:27.23 | Shirik | :( |
| 00:27.29 | Arrowmaster | kd3: i thought they said it was signed by CACert |
| 00:27.38 | Arrowmaster | which wouldnt be selfsigned |
| 00:28.34 | kd3 | http://wowi.pastey.net/144831 |
| 00:28.43 | kd3 | it is self-signed... by cacert |
| 00:28.45 | kd3 | >.> |
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| 00:29.11 | Dagmar | Basically, since they're not in your root certs, that's the best yer gon' get out of it |
| 00:29.17 | kd3 | yar |
| 00:29.23 | Dagmar | <-- assurer |
| 00:30.17 | Dagmar | I kinda get the feeling CACert mainly still runs on the basis of there's enough people who think it's an interesting exercise. |
| 00:31.15 | Dagmar | If you put a cert you got out of their system into your home-run SSL server, or if you just run the commands to generate a self-signed cert directly, the result is pretty much the same |
| 00:32.13 | Kraps | http://www.dorkly.com/article/8769/the-weekly-irl-7-more-awesomely-nerdy-cakes |
| 00:32.31 | foxlit | a 6 month validity period? |
| 00:40.34 | Jerub | lolcacert |
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| 00:48.36 | foxlit | "Static variables may be declared as seen in the examples above. Trying to assign values to these variables which are the result of expressions will cause a parse error." |
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| 00:48.56 | foxlit | So it's okay to do static $a = 4; but not static $a = 2 + 2; |
| 00:49.07 | cbreak | C++? |
| 00:49.49 | Cide | since when does c++ use $foo for variable names? |
| 00:49.53 | Cide | I would expect php |
| 00:49.54 | foxlit | the dollar signs are a tip-off that it's PHP. |
| 00:50.38 | Dagmar | ...and thusly, filled with self-hate. |
| 00:52.25 | Cide | foxlit: yay magic constants |
| 00:52.35 | foxlit | Cide: foo? |
| 00:52.40 | Cide | ? |
| 00:52.58 | foxlit | which magic constants? |
| 00:53.17 | Cide | just in general |
| 00:53.37 | Cide | static $time = 86400; versus static $time = 24*60*60; |
| 00:54.10 | Cide | naturally it should be commented, but still |
| 00:54.18 | foxlit | one would wonder why you'd want to static that |
| 00:54.27 | foxlit | Not that that saves PHP; since const has the same limitation |
| 00:54.27 | Cide | you really can't think of a use case? |
| 00:54.43 | Cide | or a similar one |
| 00:57.14 | Xyphoid | basically if you want to have expressions for initialised members you need to do it in the constructor in php |
| 00:57.27 | foxlit | nah, I just think magic constants are usually constants :) |
| 00:58.19 | Shirik | psh |
| 00:58.23 | Shirik | I've seen 86400 so many times now |
| 00:58.27 | Shirik | I think I have that one memorized |
| 00:58.47 | Shirik | also, foxlit, PHP isn't alone in that problem |
| 00:58.53 | Shirik | C++ has a similar issue, though 2+2 will work |
| 00:59.01 | Shirik | 2+foo() doesn't... yet |
| 00:59.16 | Shirik | C++0x has a nice little addendum that will fix that |
| 01:07.13 | mckenziemc1 | s |
| 01:08.38 | DJJeff | I..... Hold in my hands..... an unopened still in the box....... |
| 01:08.43 | DJJeff | INTEL CORE I7-870 2.93G 1156 8M BX |
| 01:08.56 | DJJeff | om nom nom nom nom nom nom nom |
| 01:09.07 | mckenziemc | ~whalenuke DJJeff |
| 01:09.07 | purl | ACTION dons her radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around DJJeff with his mind powers. |
| 01:09.11 | DJJeff | I have yet to install it.... I hope it boosts my wow |
| 01:09.50 | DJJeff | I want my ULTRA settings damn it |
| 01:10.44 | DJJeff | 4 threads i3 ...... becomes 8 threads i7 |
| 01:10.56 | DJJeff | what the hell is a thread |
| 01:10.58 | DJJeff | lol |
| 01:11.10 | DJJeff | im soooooo like uber noob :( |
| 01:11.36 | DJJeff | will my Damage Per Second (DPS) become 20k with this boost? |
| 01:12.00 | DJJeff | or will it just enable more trade trolls |
| 01:12.30 | DJJeff | "how much could a trade troll.... troll..... if a trade troll could troll trade" |
| 01:12.41 | DJJeff | best quote ever! |
| 01:15.21 | DJJeff | 12MB L3 Cache i7 costs $1,000 |
| 01:15.36 | DJJeff | would be pointless for me :( |
| 01:25.54 | TC-Work | http://engrishfunny.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/engrish-funny-not-appropriate.jpg |
| 01:31.45 | foxlit | "There will be built in anti ninja countermeasures" |
| 01:32.03 | foxlit | I'm thinking lasers. |
| 01:36.44 | Shirik | I'm not sure if I'm supposed to be surprised by a conversation like this http://wowi.pastey.net/144833 |
| 01:37.10 | Cide | unicode is amazing |
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| 01:48.10 | Corrodias2 | ah, but there's no font that can displays the whole thing |
| 01:49.21 | Dagmar | It would probably be pretty ugly if you loaded that font anyway |
| 01:55.34 | Dezzi | anyone happen to know what the enchantid is for "Of the Monkey" |
| 01:56.00 | Dezzi | http://www.wowwiki.com/EnchantId/Enchant_IDs not seeing it anywhere here, and I assume that is how it is done in the item string |
| 01:56.51 | Dezzi | ope never mind, never assume anything |
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| 02:05.50 | Dagmar | of the MOnkey is not an enchant, for one thing |
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| 02:20.24 | Kraps | whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat http://kotaku.com/5733158/pac+man-finally-getting-his-own-reality-series |
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| 02:32.45 | mckenziemc | Dagmar: those are referred to as 'random enchantments' |
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| 03:01.39 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: CACert has a root cert for some linux distros |
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| 03:02.06 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Yeah and that's a bit dodgy |
| 03:02.25 | Dagmar | It's great that they're willing to front for it, tho'. |
| 03:05.39 | Dagmar | Shouldn't affect anything until someone just plain uses a certificate chain utterly incorrectly...and then they'll probably try and blame the free world in order to save their potential market valuation |
| 03:08.02 | Dagmar | I suppose one could probably already say that many, many people are usin' certificate chains incorrectly by assuming that a valid cert signed by a root authority means a damn thing |
| 03:08.29 | Dagmar | There's plenty of outright criminal sites running around that have managed to get themselves a legit-looking SSL cert tho |
| 03:09.10 | Arrowmaster | my favorite so far was the nul character wildcard one |
| 03:09.23 | Xzempt | http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/807/wowscrnshot011411160238.jpg |
| 03:09.30 | Xzempt | lmfao @ can mages ress |
| 03:10.07 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: My favorite part of that is how quiet they kept that one |
| 03:10.26 | Arrowmaster | it hit the major tech news sites |
| 03:10.29 | Dagmar | Xzempt: THey'll probably get that in the next expansion |
| 03:10.39 | Arrowmaster | and browsers were patching it quickly |
| 03:10.51 | Xzempt | Wouldn't surprise me any |
| 03:11.08 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: yes it did, and do you remember how the reporting all turned to mumbles when people started asking questions about what certs Verisign had already issued that were broken by that? |
| 03:11.24 | Shirik | Cide |
| 03:11.28 | Shirik | I just found the best griefing ever |
| 03:11.30 | Cide | Shirik |
| 03:11.35 | Shirik | T4W |
| 03:11.40 | Shirik | Levitate someone that's about to take the air ramp |
| 03:11.48 | Shirik | They reach the end of the zone and die |
| 03:12.02 | Dagmar | Like "Oh, yes we have discovered that it's possible that perhaps a... cert..te ma.chi.g that and had aherm been issued in *whisper* microsoft'sname..." |
| 03:12.02 | Shirik | it all turns blue for a few seconds and then they die |
| 03:12.16 | Dagmar | hahah |
| 03:12.24 | Cide | I haven't done t4w yet |
| 03:12.27 | Cide | but that sounds hilarious |
| 03:12.40 | KarlKFI | WTB curse admins that are as attentive as Cairenn for approving addons |
| 03:12.42 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: just like how everybody ignores the horrible root certs too, like doesnt verisign still have an MD2 one |
| 03:13.20 | Dagmar | I would like to see them do the things they are *supposed* to do |
| 03:13.44 | Dagmar | So... Malware goes out looking for all the world like a driver update for realtek, up to and includin having been signed with Realtek's key |
| 03:13.53 | Dagmar | Do they cancel Realtek's key? Hell no. |
| 03:14.19 | Dagmar | They ask a bunch of questions like "oh how could that have happened" instead of just yanking the damn key that's clearly been compromised |
| 03:15.23 | Dagmar | JMicron discovered with the same problem... Again, much hand-wringing and wishy-washyness instead of just stomping the key flat |
| 03:17.17 | Arrowmaster | the entire root cert model needs to be changed |
| 03:17.50 | Dagmar | Well, I'm not sure about that, but it's clear that Verisign's behaviour is compromised |
| 03:18.04 | Dagmar | That all had to do with what we now know to be *Stuxnet* |
| 03:18.33 | Dagmar | So... if you were wondering why some people were questioning again whether or not IANA and the root nameservers were too controlled by US interests, now you know |
| 03:20.15 | Arrowmaster | i think it should be changed to something more like pgp, let certs be signed by multiple other certs and that way anybody could sign or revoke a key |
| 03:20.23 | Dagmar | I mean, you could argue that there is a chance these things were acutally signed by Realtek and JMicron, but they were clearly malware. |
| 03:20.49 | Dagmar | It's not like it's reasonable to think they'd do a videoconf to Realtek and someone in a collarless suit petting a Persian cat would say "Why yes, all this is according to my plan" |
| 03:22.43 | Arrowmaster | VeriSign, Inc., Class 1 Public Primary Certification Authority, PKCS #1 MD2 With RSA Encryption |
| 03:22.47 | Arrowmaster | yup still being used |
| 03:23.29 | Arrowmaster | oh they have multiple ones still using MD2 |
| 03:24.43 | Jerub | the french intelligence branch have a cert in the keychain |
| 03:25.42 | Arrowmaster | and yet some linux distros which use gnupg for signing their releases have already moved away from using SHA1 because attacks against it have been demonstrated |
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| 03:34.49 | mckenziemc | agi/spirint cloth green >.> |
| 03:34.53 | mckenziemc | spirit* |
| 03:36.06 | Jerub | mckenziemc: crud. where did that come from? vanilla? or cata? |
| 03:36.27 | Jerub | there's a +defence +spirit ring that dropped in sunken temple for me once. that was a lol |
| 03:37.33 | SqueeG | i assumed they'd have cleand up their stats by now |
| 03:38.04 | mckenziemc | vanilla |
| 03:38.16 | SqueeG | unless they throw in some randomly generated crap specifically for disenchanters |
| 03:38.19 | kd3 | spirit was fun in vanilla |
| 03:38.29 | kd3 | wasn't warrior dungeon 1 set itemized with spirit? |
| 03:38.52 | SqueeG | I don't remember that O_o |
| 03:39.18 | kd3 | http://www.wowpedia.org/Battlegear_of_Valor |
| 03:39.44 | SqueeG | rofl |
| 03:41.14 | TC-Away | Jerub: wouldnt that work for vanilla prot pally? |
| 03:42.20 | Jerub | Thunder_Child: apparently it was a +random stat ring, but man, to see a poorly itemised blue really hit home how much the cata cleanup was needed. |
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| 04:03.11 | Xyphoid | i kind of like poor itemisation |
| 04:03.52 | Kraps | miranda lawson ass shots |
| 04:03.59 | Kraps | for the win |
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| 04:17.25 | Dagmar | Kraps: You gon' share these links? |
| 04:17.45 | Thunder_Child | you might as well be looking at Yvonne Strahovski though |
| 04:18.25 | Kraps | what Thunder_Child said |
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| 04:22.11 | Dagmar | So we have links for those somewhere then? |
| 04:27.41 | Thunder_Child | google? |
| 04:31.48 | Dagmar | That's no fun. I thought he'd found some awesome new pics |
| 04:38.31 | Kraps | sorry Dagmar, i'm just replaying the game |
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| 04:53.07 | Jerub | fuckit. i've got a prepaid visa card, i want to buy crap, ebay is convenient, ebay requires paypal, paypal hates prepaid visa. |
| 04:53.10 | Jerub | :/ |
| 04:56.32 | KarlKFI | prepaid visa card != cash |
| 04:56.45 | bluspacecow | "kor the immovable" no kidding... hes kinda stuck in the ground :\ |
| 04:57.20 | Dagmar | Yep. |
| 05:01.10 | kd3 | whee; the armory's broke |
| 05:01.39 | bluspacecow | how broke kd ? |
| 05:01.54 | kd3 | http://wowi.pastey.net/144838 ^ what I got trying to look at my page |
| 05:01.59 | kd3 | s/page/character/ |
| 05:02.43 | Thunder_Child | spiffy |
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| 05:04.28 | Thordon | Hi. Quick question, is _G just a way of accessing global variable using a string? |
| 05:04.44 | bluspacecow | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/muradin/bluspacecow/ |
| 05:04.56 | bluspacecow | i get opps character not available |
| 05:05.00 | kd3 | thor; yup |
| 05:05.08 | Thunder_Child | !api _G |
| 05:05.09 | lua_bot | Documentation for '_G' can be found at http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#pdf-_G |
| 05:05.13 | Thordon | thanks |
| 05:07.24 | Thordon | can anyone recommend a good lightweight lua editor? just want syntax highlighting and line numbers really |
| 05:07.51 | Thunder_Child | notepad++ |
| 05:08.13 | Shirik | omg Cide |
| 05:08.17 | Shirik | that is the best use of levitate ever |
| 05:08.29 | Thordon | thanks, Ill try it |
| 05:10.06 | mikma | the ramp thingy? |
| 05:12.13 | bluspacecow | awwwwww........ a pebble likes me :) |
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| 05:12.37 | kd3 | now if only his daily would proc so I could get him full time |
| 05:12.39 | kd3 | grrs |
| 05:13.13 | Cide | Shirik: just killed chimaeron again yay |
| 05:13.44 | Cide | and more lootz for me |
| 05:14.44 | Shirik | /cry |
| 05:14.48 | Shirik | yes mikma |
| 05:14.52 | Shirik | Dude |
| 05:15.03 | Shirik | One of our members rage quit because he got killed so many times |
| 05:15.08 | Shirik | so the raid leader gave him 500g for making him quit |
| 05:15.10 | kd3 | ahaha |
| 05:16.15 | Shirik | oh Kraps |
| 05:16.28 | Kraps | hey Shirik |
| 05:16.30 | Cide | Shirik: I'm interested in your healing setup for chimaeron |
| 05:16.33 | Cide | my algorithm is amazing |
| 05:16.39 | Shirik | Cide |
| 05:16.43 | Shirik | we haven't done chimaeron |
| 05:16.47 | Cide | I know |
| 05:16.52 | Cide | I'm interested in it when you do |
| 05:16.53 | Shirik | we won't really get into raiding until next week |
| 05:16.55 | Shirik | we start our 10 mans |
| 05:17.00 | Shirik | 10 mans will go so much better |
| 05:17.04 | Cide | http://www.wowhead.com/item=59234 |
| 05:17.23 | Cide | no spirit though qq |
| 05:18.36 | Cide | anyway gotta get up in 4h |
| 05:18.38 | Cide | good night! |
| 05:19.42 | Thunder_Child | fail Cide, fail |
| 05:24.00 | Shirik | oh hey Kraps |
| 05:24.02 | Shirik | check it out |
| 05:24.21 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log/Shirik?limit=1 |
| 05:24.23 | Shirik | I'z a checkuser! |
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| 05:40.13 | Kraps | grats Shirik |
| 06:04.06 | Thordon | !api assert |
| 06:04.06 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'assert' can be found at http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#pdf-assert |
| 06:11.09 | angayelle | morning again peoplez |
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| 06:27.13 | mckenziemc | http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/wow/ui/ |
| 06:27.20 | mckenziemc | i broke it : / |
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| 06:36.57 | dusf | is there a good place to find addons for older versions of wow, say 3.3.5a? i want to have a look at changes made |
| 06:37.10 | dusf | curse only has that version for some addons |
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| 06:40.19 | angayelle | you can try wowinterface |
| 06:40.35 | angayelle | but it's up to devs to leave older versions or not |
| 06:41.31 | dusf | angayelle: ty |
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| 06:56.51 | Jerub | # If 3 out of 5 players in a group are members of the same guild, they will now be able to complete guild achievements and earn guild experience at 50% of the normal rate. |
| 06:56.54 | Jerub | woo |
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| 06:57.31 | Iriel | Jerub: that's awesome |
| 06:57.48 | Jerub | it's such a fucking pain getting 4 people to come do heroic BC dungeons |
| 06:57.58 | Jerub | we usually end up with someone sitting inside the entrance while he has dinner or something |
| 06:58.27 | Jerub | # Players can now see the status of Tol Barad on the World Map no matter where they are. The time to the next battle is displayed by zooming into the Tol Barad section of the map. The current controlling faction can be seen on the Eastern Kingdoms map. |
| 06:58.38 | Jerub | far out. it's not like we didn't /always/ have people asking on trade if we owned WG |
| 06:58.44 | Jerub | they've finally fixed it for TB |
| 06:59.37 | airtonix | now you have the joy of telling people that for the next three months |
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| 06:59.53 | Jerub | i have my trade macro |
| 06:59.58 | airtonix | "I was right!" |
| 07:00.08 | Thordon | yay, just sold my music box for 30k |
| 07:00.18 | Jerub | Thordon: music box from heroic LK? |
| 07:00.24 | Jerub | or was that from the sword? |
| 07:00.32 | Thordon | from the sword |
| 07:01.12 | airtonix | swords have music boxes now? |
| 07:01.18 | airtonix | do they play mp3? |
| 07:02.53 | Jerub | there's that AK-47 with the built in mp3 clip... |
| 07:03.01 | Thordon | Im trying to add another stats panel to the paper doll frame for my mod but it seems like a nightmare, I hoped there would be a UI for adding extra panels or something but it seems I'll have to hack it in there. Probably not worth doing unless I want to write a whole separate mod for managing that stuff |
| 07:03.12 | Thordon | err, not UI, API |
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| 07:27.50 | angayelle | attaching another panel is the easy part, getting the stats inside right is another thing |
| 07:34.20 | Thordon | you've done it? |
| 07:34.33 | angayelle | that ? no |
| 07:34.40 | Thordon | currently trying to tinsert(StatCategoryFrames, myFrame), its not finding StatCategoryFrames |
| 07:34.44 | angayelle | but it's what ot should be |
| 07:34.55 | Thordon | Im totaly new to modifying frames etc |
| 07:35.11 | angayelle | you're trying to insert stuff into a table |
| 07:35.38 | angayelle | !api tinsert |
| 07:35.39 | lua_bot | tinsert: Inserts a value into a table (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/tinsert) |
| 07:35.58 | angayelle | this is unrelated to inserting information into a frame |
| 07:36.07 | Thordon | I know, sec |
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| 07:38.54 | Thordon | In CharacterFrame.xml it has 7 entries for CharacterStatsPaneCategory1 -> CharacterStatsPaneCategory7, I created an 8th using CreateFrame with the approproate parent and inherits etc |
| 07:39.26 | Thordon | The function that populates the character panes works off a table though that I seem to need to add my frame to |
| 07:39.42 | Thordon | that function gets called each time you open the character panel |
| 07:41.18 | Shirik | friend of mine just soloed magtheridon and got 498g |
| 07:42.26 | Dagmar | Well, that'll get nerfed |
| 07:42.42 | Thordon | now I see why I can't add to StatCategoryFrames, its declared as local (outside a fucnction) in PaperDollFrame.lua, is there any way to access it from my mod? |
| 07:42.45 | Dagmar | Bummer, because I would sooo be taking a crack at that this weekend |
| 07:42.48 | angayelle | if you added an 8th panel then it's good, now the populating function takes info from a table and surely forward that info into Fontstrings |
| 07:43.39 | Dagmar | ...although for 500g a pop even once I think I could probably rope two guildies into trying to 3-man it with me. ;) |
| 07:43.51 | angayelle | you could replace that function by yours, be it by recreating a new one or hacking the function into a newer one |
| 07:44.12 | Thordon | how would I do that? Just re-declare the function? |
| 07:44.27 | angayelle | in global, yes it should work |
| 07:44.50 | angayelle | since you load your function after blizz's it should overwrite it |
| 07:44.54 | Dagmar | Shirik: DK? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dypC8EcQ0dU |
| 07:45.07 | Shirik | yes DK |
| 07:45.21 | Thordon | I tried to get info on that, you can force your mods to load after other mods by putting a dependancy on it, but no mention of blizzard default stuff |
| 07:45.44 | angayelle | blizz is loaded first afaik, unless i'm mistaken |
| 07:45.50 | Thordon | ok |
| 07:46.27 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 07:46.31 | Fisker | i'm awesome |
| 07:46.42 | airtonix | not as awesome as me |
| 07:46.46 | airtonix | i'm awesomer |
| 07:46.51 | Shirik | I just want to point out in that video |
| 07:46.54 | Shirik | check his pet's action bar |
| 07:47.06 | Shirik | shows the stupidity or level of attentitiveness of DKs |
| 07:47.09 | angayelle | now i don't know if in order for your function to work you have to name according to some naming convention like table1->panel1 and such |
| 07:47.19 | Fisker | setup is install drivers please wait a moment ago |
| 07:47.19 | Thordon | if I redeclare the function and reference the StatCategoryFrames within that function, will I have access to it there, or do I need to redeclare that too? |
| 07:47.21 | Fisker | ok. |
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| 07:51.17 | angayelle | you could use the very same function as blizz but maybe expand the scope of panels, like instead of having : for i = 1,7 do PopulateFunction("table"..i, "panel"..i) make it for i = 1,8 do PopulateFunction("table"..i, "panel"..i) |
| 07:52.00 | angayelle | or just add to the end of blizz's function your function which will populate your panel |
| 07:55.20 | angayelle | if you reference your table in the redeclared function, it should be good |
| 07:56.04 | Thordon | I tried just copy pasting the function into my lua file and adding an output to the top, not working, hang on |
| 07:56.34 | airtonix | Fisker, pls |
| 07:56.52 | angayelle | does it add the 8th panel at least ? |
| 07:57.12 | Thordon | no, theres a few things I need to change before I can get that far |
| 08:00.06 | Thordon | it doesnt seem like my code is running at all, I must have something set up wrong in the toc or something |
| 08:05.13 | Thordon | ok, think Im getting somewhere |
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| 08:13.23 | Thordon | yay, got an 8th frame |
| 08:13.41 | angayelle | now to populate it |
| 08:14.13 | Thordon | I grabbed some one already in, armor, health, ilevel, they worked fine, I can just write my own stat type and functions for them and plug them in |
| 08:14.38 | Thordon | the only thing is that it has no title, need to find where that is |
| 08:16.00 | airtonix | i am in tower defense heaven |
| 08:17.10 | angayelle | might be in the table, check if you can find the name of any of the table used by previous panel and do a /dump tablename to find which index it comes from |
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| 08:26.40 | Frisker | science damn you |
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| 08:32.40 | Frisker | WHAT |
| 08:36.14 | Thordon | sorted, there were some global strings in GlobalStrings.lua in the format STAT_CATEGORY_GENERAL, etc, just added my own one in that format and it worked |
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| 08:38.35 | airtonix | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05r_-Fp5Vfo |
| 08:39.01 | jnwhiteh | woot! |
| 08:39.05 | jnwhiteh | truegold proc for myself! |
| 08:40.42 | Frisker | old airtonix |
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| 08:48.03 | Arrowmaster | people died, that was a bad kill |
| 08:51.32 | angayelle | thordon, you added yours into globalstrings.lua ? |
| 08:51.44 | Thordon | no, just to my mod |
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| 08:52.02 | angayelle | much better |
| 08:52.09 | angayelle | what stats does it report ? |
| 08:52.51 | Thordon | Im doing a tanking mod, it will be mitigation, effective health and damage spikiness |
| 08:54.01 | Frisker | abc |
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| 09:08.33 | p3lim | http://i.imgur.com/3eSMb.jpg |
| 09:09.19 | Frisker | i saw what he did there |
| 09:09.28 | jnwhiteh | I continue to see it |
| 09:10.05 | Frisker | i need an ip kvm switch :< |
| 09:10.24 | airtonix | explain |
| 09:10.24 | p3lim | how come? |
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| 09:11.05 | Frisker | for some reason, every time my computer momentarily loses power the bios decides that i was overclocking and it failed |
| 09:11.06 | Frisker | :< |
| 09:11.09 | Frisker | so i need to press F1 |
| 09:11.43 | airtonix | and then what? |
| 09:12.51 | Frisker | exit bios again |
| 09:12.55 | airtonix | and then what? |
| 09:13.31 | Frisker | nothing |
| 09:13.41 | airtonix | and therefore |
| 09:13.47 | airtonix | you need nothing |
| 09:13.49 | Frisker | fuck you |
| 09:13.52 | Frisker | i do airtonix |
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| 09:25.41 | angayelle | does checking buffs/debuffs on the whole raid, then adding name/spellid/spellname to a table for parsing purpose and updating it using an onupdate of 0,1secs sounds a bad idea ? |
| 09:26.20 | airtonix | instead of updating it according to events ? |
| 09:26.25 | angayelle | aye |
| 09:26.44 | airtonix | in my experience even doing a whole raid according to events was taxing |
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| 09:27.10 | angayelle | events are lagging with timestamps and it would require to clean table using aura removed |
| 09:27.59 | angayelle | which i won't have to with table.wipe and unitaura checks afterward |
| 09:31.13 | Thordon | I made the character stats title paladin pink, I am king of wow :D |
| 09:31.29 | airtonix | yes donald |
| 09:32.26 | angayelle | that's pro |
| 09:32.49 | angayelle | you should really try that hello kitty ui |
| 09:33.12 | angayelle | i heard it increase dps/hps/threat by at least 37% |
| 09:33.17 | Thordon | I didnt end up having to copy over any functions, did everything with 30 lines of code |
| 09:33.38 | angayelle | show in pastey ? |
| 09:33.46 | Thordon | sure |
| 09:35.03 | Thordon | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/144858 |
| 09:36.04 | Thordon | it's still a bit hacky in that I need to hardcode the ID, anything other than 8 wouldnt work, so if other mods use the same idea they would conflict |
| 09:38.17 | angayelle | nice job |
| 09:38.31 | Shirik | Frisker |
| 09:38.37 | Shirik | Are you an educated fool with money on your mind? |
| 09:39.47 | angayelle | maybe replace "local STATS_PANE_ID = 8 " by "local STATS_PANE_ID = STATS_PANE_ID+1" |
| 09:40.12 | airtonix | angayelle, so NCSOFTs fears were true then ? |
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| 09:40.21 | Frisker | why Shirik ? |
| 09:40.29 | Thordon | hmm, maybe, it would be the size of PAPERDOLL_STATCATEGORY_DEFAULTORDER + 1 |
| 09:40.35 | Thordon | let me try that |
| 09:40.38 | angayelle | wut wut ? |
| 09:41.03 | airtonix | angayelle, that allowing a player to modify the appearance of their game interface gives them an unfair advantage |
| 09:41.09 | angayelle | ahaha |
| 09:41.23 | airtonix | or was it just that they are crap at programming ? |
| 09:41.41 | angayelle | yes indeed, in fact it does, why would we code mostly, eh ? |
| 09:41.42 | airtonix | (not forgetting that aion is just crysis reskinned) |
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| 09:41.52 | airtonix | see the irony ? |
| 09:42.49 | Shirik | why not Frisker? |
| 09:43.03 | Thordon | local STATS_PANE_ID = getn(PAPERDOLL_STATCATEGORY_DEFAULTORDER) + 1 |
| 09:43.04 | Thordon | works |
| 09:43.07 | angayelle | modifyable code/interface ofc within some boundaries show the pro in game industry i think |
| 09:43.16 | Thordon | I guess if everyone followed that convention it shoulld work |
| 09:43.31 | angayelle | that's the way it should goes |
| 09:43.51 | Thordon | anyway, time to actually write some code and stop polishing |
| 09:44.00 | angayelle | it won't make your panel always the last one but at least it won't crash |
| 09:44.18 | airtonix | aion was a waste of a story tellers talent |
| 09:44.25 | Thordon | yeah, once its loaded you can move them around anyway |
| 09:44.31 | Frisker | why Shirik ? |
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| 09:47.56 | Arrowmaster | getn is deprecated, dont use it |
| 09:48.19 | Thordon | ok, what's a good alternative? |
| 09:48.33 | Arrowmaster | # |
| 09:49.03 | Thordon | ah, I saw that and forgot, thanks |
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| 10:10.34 | angayelle | is there a limit to the number of buff a player can get ? |
| 10:10.39 | angayelle | buff/debuff |
| 10:11.52 | angayelle | ah i could use a GetNumAura() function |
| 10:11.58 | angayelle | if it existed |
| 10:13.03 | Arrowmaster | ive heard no limit, but that doesnt mean the api is unlimited |
| 10:17.44 | angayelle | to check buff until there is none i could use : local z =1 while z do local a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,i,j,k = UnitAura("player", z) print(a) end |
| 10:18.14 | angayelle | add "z = z + 1" |
| 10:18.23 | angayelle | before the end |
| 10:18.52 | tlund | if you are just going to print(a), just do a = UnitAura("player", z). |
| 10:19.02 | tlund | no need for a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,i,j,k |
| 10:19.06 | angayelle | oh yeah |
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| 10:34.25 | jnwhiteh | Anyone have a druid or priest on the PTR? |
| 10:41.13 | angayelle | lua> tabletest ={} local buffname = "flask" local player = "angy" table.insert(tabletest, {buffname}) table.insert(tabletest[buffname], {player}) print(tabletest[flask]) |
| 10:41.15 | lua_bot | angayelle: luabot:1: bad argument #1 to 'insert' (table expected, got nil) |
| 10:44.22 | airtonix | drivebyquestions Frisker |
| 10:44.30 | airtonix | ok? |
| 10:44.39 | angayelle | lua> tabletest ={} table.insert(tabletest, {buffname = "flask"}) table.insert(tabletest[buffname], {player = "angy"}) print(tabletest[flask]) |
| 10:44.40 | lua_bot | angayelle: luabot:1: bad argument #1 to 'insert' (table expected, got nil) |
| 10:45.05 | Frisker | airtonixes |
| 10:45.44 | angayelle | mmmh i declared my empty table by using tabletest ={} ? |
| 10:45.47 | airtonix | i am no simple farmgirl that you can just up on in my porch |
| 10:46.28 | airtonix | Frisker, i will tell my pappy of you devious marvels |
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| 10:46.48 | harl | wuff! |
| 10:46.54 | airtonix | hello harl |
| 10:47.12 | airtonix | Kill the Frisker |
| 10:47.40 | harl | i'd rather not :) |
| 10:47.55 | airtonix | :( that's the fourth this week |
| 10:48.10 | airtonix | (i'm running out of canines) |
| 10:48.18 | angayelle | lua> tabletest ={} table.insert(tabletest, {buffname = "flask", player = "angy"}) dump(tabletest) |
| 10:48.19 | lua_bot | angayelle: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'dump' (a nil value) |
| 10:49.13 | angayelle | lua> tabletest ={} table.insert(tabletest, {buffname = "flask", player = "angy"}) print(unpack(tabletest)) |
| 10:49.14 | lua_bot | angayelle: table: 0x8a09c48 |
| 10:49.42 | angayelle | lua> tabletest ={} table.insert(tabletest, {buffname = "flask", player = "angy"}) print(unpack(tabletest[1])) |
| 10:49.43 | lua_bot | angayelle: No output |
| 10:49.47 | angayelle | gosh |
| 10:50.37 | airtonix | i think you need to make a custom functin to recrusively unpack tables |
| 10:50.41 | airtonix | functions* |
| 10:50.45 | airtonix | funkshun |
| 10:51.02 | angayelle | is there an equivalent to /dump in lua ? |
| 10:51.11 | angayelle | to view the whole table |
| 10:51.27 | airtonix | i was using a handy addon to view that in a file browser manner |
| 10:51.39 | airtonix | luabrowser i think it was called |
| 10:51.48 | airtonix | and i think luapad provides a /dump |
| 10:52.04 | angayelle | it works in wow, i meant in lua bot |
| 10:52.10 | airtonix | oh |
| 10:52.15 | airtonix | no |
| 10:52.27 | airtonix | see above ^ funkshun |
| 10:53.03 | angayelle | lua> tabletest ={} table.insert(tabletest, {buffname = "flask", player = "angy"}) print(tabletest[1]) |
| 10:53.03 | lua_bot | angayelle: table: 0x8217f28 |
| 10:53.27 | angayelle | lua> tabletest ={} table.insert(tabletest, {buffname = "flask", player = "angy"}) print((tabletest[1])[1]) |
| 10:53.28 | lua_bot | angayelle: nil |
| 10:53.48 | angayelle | interesting |
| 10:54.00 | angayelle | tho not what i expected |
| 10:54.10 | airtonix | lua> tabletest ={} table.insert(tabletest, {buffname = "flask", player = "angy"}) print(tabletest[1].buffname) |
| 10:54.11 | lua_bot | airtonix: flask |
| 10:54.28 | airtonix | lua> tabletest ={} table.insert(tabletest, {buffname = "flask", player = "angy"}) print(tabletest[1][1]) |
| 10:54.29 | lua_bot | airtonix: nil |
| 10:54.34 | angayelle | oh yeah since i declared a name for the index |
| 10:54.39 | airtonix | :) |
| 10:54.41 | angayelle | logical |
| 10:54.50 | airtonix | but |
| 10:54.59 | airtonix | you can traverse key names : |
| 10:55.19 | airtonix | cbf |
| 10:55.34 | airtonix | involves pairs(tabletest[i]) |
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| 10:55.57 | angayelle | wow provides tcontains too ? |
| 10:56.05 | airtonix | lua> tabletest ={} table.insert(tabletest, {buffname = "flask", player = "angy"}) print(pairs(tabletest[1])) |
| 10:56.05 | lua_bot | airtonix: function: 0x963e9e8, table: 0x9670c28, nil |
| 10:56.11 | airtonix | lua> tabletest ={} table.insert(tabletest, {buffname = "flask", player = "angy"}) print(pairs(tabletest[1])[1]) |
| 10:56.12 | lua_bot | airtonix: luabot:1: attempt to index a function value |
| 10:56.12 | angayelle | but return boolean only right ? |
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| 10:56.38 | airtonix | can't remember |
| 10:56.49 | angayelle | will check that |
| 10:58.01 | nebula169 | tContains is basically for _,v in ipairs(table) do if v == item then return 1 end |
| 10:58.35 | sylvanaar | there are several libraries that can handle the job of printing tables |
| 10:59.55 | sylvanaar | penlight has the module pl.pretty, which provides a function dump() |
| 11:02.08 | jnwhiteh | lua_bot has a pp() function |
| 11:02.16 | sylvanaar | really |
| 11:02.24 | jnwhiteh | lua> pp(_G) |
| 11:02.24 | lua_bot | jnwhiteh: { ["string"] = { ["split"] = function: 0x8b55460, ["match"] = function: 0x8b1dc88, ["gmatch"] = function: 0x8b1dbb0, ["upper"] = function: 0x8b1dd58, ["gsub"] = function: 0x8b1dbe8, ["format"] = function: 0x8b1db40, ["lower"] = function: 0x8b1dc50, ["sub"] = function: 0x8b1dd28, ["gfind"] = function... (result truncated) |
| 11:02.35 | sylvanaar | lua> pp{1,3,4} |
| 11:02.35 | lua_bot | sylvanaar: { 1, 3, 4 } (#1) |
| 11:03.03 | jnwhiteh | lua> local t = {1,2,3}; t[t] = true; pp(t) |
| 11:03.04 | lua_bot | jnwhiteh: { 1, 2, 3, [<table: #1>] = true } (#1) |
| 11:03.13 | jnwhiteh | and that's why the #1 is at the end of the tables :P |
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| 11:03.27 | jnwhiteh | I believe that's Cide's code |
| 11:04.58 | angayelle | lua> tabletest ={} table.insert(tabletest, {buffname = "flask", player = "angy"}) pp(tabletest) |
| 11:04.59 | lua_bot | angayelle: { { ["buffname"] = "flask", ["player"] = "angy" } (#2) } (#1) |
| 11:05.17 | angayelle | gud |
| 11:07.50 | sylvanaar | it would be nice to replace function: num, with debug.getinfo(func, "n").name |
| 11:09.25 | sylvanaar | lua> orubt(debug) |
| 11:09.26 | lua_bot | sylvanaar: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'orubt' (a nil value) |
| 11:09.37 | sylvanaar | lua> print(debug) |
| 11:09.38 | lua_bot | sylvanaar: nil |
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| 11:11.27 | DJJeff | my new F P S with i7 |
| 11:11.28 | DJJeff | http://i.imgur.com/DEH9x.jpg |
| 11:11.40 | DJJeff | I came HARDCORE |
| 11:11.54 | sylvanaar | lua> local t = {} for k,v in pairs(_G) do t[k]=v end pp(t) |
| 11:11.54 | lua_bot | sylvanaar: { ["string"] = { ["split"] = function: 0x9486460, ["match"] = function: 0x944ec88, ["gmatch"] = function: 0x944ebb0, ["upper"] = function: 0x944ed58, ["gsub"] = function: 0x944ebe8, ["format"] = function: 0x944eb40, ["lower"] = function: 0x944ec50, ["sub"] = function: 0x944ed28, ["gfind"] = function... (result truncated) |
| 11:12.22 | sylvanaar | lua> local t = {} for k,v in pairs(_G) do t[k]=tostring(v) end pp(t) |
| 11:12.23 | lua_bot | sylvanaar: { ["string"] = "table: 0x91ad908", ["xpcall"] = "function: 0x9169fb0", ["bit"] = "table: 0x91a43b8", ["print"] = "function: 0x91a4238", ["lpeg"] = "table: 0x91adb08", ["strtrim"] = "function: 0x9197698", ["os"] = "table: 0x91af440", ["unpack"] = "function: 0x9169f78", ["strjoin"] = "function: 0x91ac... (result truncated) |
| 11:17.04 | sylvanaar | is the source to lua_bot somewhere |
| 11:18.36 | industrial | sylvanaar: jnwhiteh |
| 11:18.48 | jnwhiteh | sylvanaar: ish |
| 11:18.55 | jnwhiteh | its not posted in a public repo |
| 11:18.59 | jnwhiteh | but I can make most of it available |
| 11:19.00 | industrial | github gogo |
| 11:19.02 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 11:19.05 | jnwhiteh | not going to happen, sorry |
| 11:19.10 | jnwhiteh | the sandbox, maybe |
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| 11:21.59 | haste | writing your own lua_bot isn't too difficult industrial ! |
| 11:22.12 | haste | I'm playing with a lua-handlers based version atm |
| 11:22.27 | jnwhiteh | the irc code used by lua_bot is incredibly specific and fragile |
| 11:22.35 | jnwhiteh | it was meant to be better, but I ended up needing to just get it working |
| 11:22.38 | industrial | I know it isn't. I used to make it my project to build a bot in every new language I learnt |
| 11:23.11 | industrial | back then I didnt know how SCM worked :( such a shame |
| 11:23.27 | industrial | lost tens of little projects and thingies |
| 11:23.29 | haste | I'll probably push my base to github |
| 11:23.50 | haste | but I have way too many modules using protected services :P |
| 11:24.42 | sylvanaar | ah i see your page on lua-users now |
| 11:25.36 | jnwhiteh | lua> pp(os) |
| 11:25.36 | lua_bot | jnwhiteh: { ["difftime"] = function: 0x99d7490, ["time"] = function: 0x99d5510, ["setlocale"] = function: 0x99d54d8, ["clock"] = function: 0x99d7420, ["date"] = function: 0x99d7458 } (#1) |
| 11:25.56 | jnwhiteh | lua> function foo() end; local t = {foo = foo}; pp(t) |
| 11:25.56 | lua_bot | jnwhiteh: { ["foo"] = function: 0x8f62b08 } (#1) |
| 11:25.58 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 11:28.19 | jnwhiteh | sylvanaar: debug.getinfo(v, "n").name doesn't seem to work |
| 11:28.30 | jnwhiteh | not quite sure why |
| 11:29.10 | jnwhiteh | local info = getinfo(value, 'n") if info and info.name then return string.format("function: '%s'", info.name) else return tostrint(value) end |
| 11:29.20 | haste | strint! |
| 11:29.27 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 11:32.45 | angayelle | aaah typos, what would we do without them |
| 11:32.56 | jnwhiteh | its obv not that in the code |
| 11:33.15 | angayelle | ehe |
| 11:33.21 | sylvanaar | how about 'n" |
| 11:33.30 | sylvanaar | is that a string? |
| 11:33.40 | jnwhiteh | yes, its syntactically correct |
| 11:33.42 | sylvanaar | lua> print('n") |
| 11:33.43 | lua_bot | sylvanaar: luabot:1: unfinished string near '<eof>' |
| 11:33.43 | jnwhiteh | i re-typed it here |
| 11:33.51 | sylvanaar | oh |
| 11:33.53 | jnwhiteh | so let your eyes fix the typos |
| 11:33.55 | jnwhiteh | the code is correct |
| 11:34.02 | angayelle | copy/paste is pro too |
| 11:34.08 | jnwhiteh | its multi-line |
| 11:34.10 | jnwhiteh | what I typed was not |
| 11:34.12 | jnwhiteh | therefore I win |
| 11:34.30 | angayelle | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:35.18 | sylvanaar | seems like it should work |
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| 11:36.01 | jnwhiteh | https://github.com/jnwhiteh/luasandbox |
| 11:38.18 | jnwhiteh | lua> pp(md5) |
| 11:38.18 | lua_bot | jnwhiteh: { ["crypt"] = function: 0x987e858, ["sumhexa"] = function: 0x985f3f0, ["_PACKAGE"] = "", ["exor"] = function: 0x9863448, ["_VERSION"] = "MD5 1.1.2", ["sum"] = function: 0x987ebc0, ["_COPYRIGHT"] = "Copyright (C) 2003 PUC-Rio", ["decrypt"] = function: 0x985f488, ["_M"] = { ["crypt"] = function: 0x987... (result truncated) |
| 11:38.20 | angayelle | using /run table.wipe(edbuffchecktable) edbuffchecktable = {} for i = 1,50 do local buffname = UnitAura("player", i) if buffname then table.insert(edbuffchecktable,{buffname, UnitName("player")}) else print(i) break end end |
| 11:39.01 | angayelle | give me : edbuffchecktable={ [1]={ [1]="Champion of the Wildhammer Clan", [2]="Angayelle" |
| 11:39.19 | jnwhiteh | yes |
| 11:39.21 | jnwhiteh | as well it should |
| 11:39.29 | jnwhiteh | give thats what the code tells it to do =) |
| 11:39.38 | angayelle | i tried some things but can't get it to be like : edbuffchecktable={ |
| 11:39.38 | angayelle | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:39.42 | jnwhiteh | Shirik: https://github.com/jnwhiteh/luasandbox/blob/master/sandbox.lua#L110 |
| 11:40.03 | angayelle | it must simple but can't get right |
| 11:40.50 | jnwhiteh | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:41.53 | angayelle | indeed no need to do insert |
| 11:43.02 | angayelle | funny the first entry don't have [ ] : edbuffchecktable={ Haunted="Angayelle", ["Champion of the Wildhammer Clan"]="Angayelle", ["Arcane Brilliance"]="Angayelle"} |
| 11:44.17 | jnwhiteh | it doesn't need it |
| 11:44.19 | jnwhiteh | why would it? |
| 11:44.47 | jnwhiteh | it COULD be there, but this shorter form is most often preferred |
| 11:45.18 | angayelle | i mostly wondered why it was not the case for all entries |
| 11:47.31 | jnwhiteh | because |
| 11:47.36 | jnwhiteh | you can't use that syntax for a key with a space in it |
| 11:47.57 | jnwhiteh | { foo = true} is the same as { ["foo"] = true}, but you can't do { monkey butt = false}, that's invalid syntax |
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| 11:49.09 | Maldivia | mmm, monke... ehh, nevermind |
| 11:51.02 | angayelle | understood thanks |
| 11:52.31 | sylvanaar | it looks like functions created in the interpreter dont have names |
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| 11:52.51 | airtonix | i soo once accidentally |
| 11:53.30 | jnwhiteh | sylvanaar: interesting! |
| 11:54.08 | Frisker | omg boss jnwhiteh |
| 11:55.11 | airtonix | i know right? |
| 11:59.42 | mikma | haste: http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/breakdance.jpg |
| 12:00.22 | airtonix | omg |
| 12:00.26 | airtonix | young people these days! |
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| 12:03.44 | sylvanaar | lua> pp{bit=bit} |
| 12:03.45 | lua_bot | sylvanaar: { ["bit"] = { ["arshift"] = function: 0x8ed5ad0, ["rshift"] = function: 0x8ed3a48, ["bxor"] = function: 0x8ec1ec0, ["bor"] = function: 0x8ef1378, ["bnot"] = function: 0x8ee6038, ["lshift"] = function: 0x8ebe7b8, ["band"] = function: 0x8ee3c90 } (#2) } (#1) |
| 12:04.01 | sylvanaar | lua> pp{bit=bit.bor} |
| 12:04.01 | lua_bot | sylvanaar: { ["bit"] = function: 0x87ea378 } (#1) |
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| 12:12.53 | mojosdojo| | What's does pp stand for? |
| 12:12.56 | Frisker | i'm so sick jnwhiteh |
| 12:13.06 | Frisker | pallypower maybe mojosdojo| |
| 12:13.13 | airtonix | Private Principles |
| 12:13.45 | Arrowmaster | pretty print |
| 12:13.51 | Frisker | i'm so damn sick |
| 12:14.54 | krka | jnwhiteh: nice with the sandbox stuff! |
| 12:14.55 | mojosdojo| | good anwsers everyone =) |
| 12:15.02 | jnwhiteh | krka: i think the weblua version is better |
| 12:15.06 | airtonix | Frisker, mould in the coffee plunger is my bet |
| 12:15.08 | jnwhiteh | but a quick diff just shows a bit of divergence =) |
| 12:15.24 | jnwhiteh | basically I made the pluto persistence work in the weblua version and that cascaded several other changes =) |
| 12:15.44 | krka | just cool with the public release i mean |
| 12:15.49 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 12:15.49 | krka | i haven't really looked at the details |
| 12:16.07 | jnwhiteh | I happen to think its a really nice simple solution to the problem |
| 12:16.24 | krka | i have considered putting my old c-based master/slave lua system with memory / lua bytecode op limits on github |
| 12:16.30 | angayelle | lua> edbuffchecktable={ Haunted="Angayelle"} print(edbuffchecktable[1]) |
| 12:16.31 | lua_bot | angayelle: nil |
| 12:16.39 | krka | problem is that i forgot what all of the code does, so i am not sure if it's any useful :) |
| 12:16.50 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 12:16.51 | angayelle | lua> edbuffchecktable={ Haunted="Angayelle"} print(edbuffchecktable[Haunted]) |
| 12:16.52 | lua_bot | angayelle: nil |
| 12:17.01 | angayelle | lua> edbuffchecktable={ Haunted="Angayelle"} print(edbuffchecktable["Haunted"]) |
| 12:17.02 | lua_bot | angayelle: Angayelle |
| 12:17.08 | krka | the intention was to support multiple lua states with some limited communication, one master class and several slave classes |
| 12:17.17 | krka | the master can expose some communication options to the slaves |
| 12:17.19 | jnwhiteh | very interesting |
| 12:17.45 | krka | you can only communicate primitive types, but it's still useful |
| 12:17.54 | krka | i was going to use it to host bot-contests |
| 12:18.04 | krka | but i never got around to it |
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| 12:32.22 | sylvanaar | it doesnt look like name works at all for function references, it only works withing the context of a call to that function |
| 12:33.28 | jnwhiteh | oh, interesting |
| 12:33.32 | krka | hm what sylvanaar? is thing something with your plugin? |
| 12:33.36 | krka | *rgia |
| 12:33.38 | krka | gah |
| 12:33.39 | krka | this! |
| 12:33.43 | airtonix | ok |
| 12:35.29 | sylvanaar | no, debug.getinfo wont give a name for an arbitrary function |
| 12:35.36 | sylvanaar | krka: |
| 12:35.51 | sylvanaar | thats what I was saying |
| 12:36.18 | krka | hm |
| 12:38.42 | krka | that's a shame |
| 12:38.50 | krka | i wonder in what contexts you can actually get a name |
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| 12:41.51 | krka | is there F such that debug.getinfo(F, "n").name ~= nil ? |
| 12:43.26 | jnwhiteh | i can't get it to return anything |
| 12:43.27 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 12:43.39 | airtonix | unhackable |
| 12:43.55 | airtonix | migrates to jnwhitehOS |
| 12:44.02 | sylvanaar | it only seems to work with 0 and 1 |
| 12:44.05 | krka | it's strange, there should be _some_ way to get it to output something |
| 12:44.19 | sylvanaar | you can get the name of the current function |
| 12:44.38 | krka | hm, i can only get "getinfo" |
| 12:45.04 | sylvanaar | yeah, you have to call the function |
| 12:45.20 | krka | function test(f) return debug.getinfo(f, "n").name end return test(1) --> gives nil |
| 12:45.31 | krka | ah, tailcall |
| 12:45.40 | sylvanaar | function foo() assert debug.getinfo(1).name end |
| 12:45.53 | krka | hm, still nil |
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| 12:45.58 | sylvanaar | use 1 |
| 12:46.03 | krka | doing that |
| 12:46.33 | krka | print(test(1)) works though |
| 12:46.34 | krka | weird |
| 12:46.34 | sylvanaar | admittedly i tried it with function foo:foo |
| 12:46.46 | krka | return test(1) in the 'terp tailcalls i guess |
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| 12:47.34 | Alram | Fisker! |
| 12:47.49 | bluspacecow | I choose you ! |
| 12:47.54 | bluspacecow | *throws pokeball* |
| 12:49.21 | sylvanaar | krka: heres the source http://www.lua.org/source/5.1/ldebug.c.html#getfuncname |
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| 12:58.21 | bluspacecow | at what sort of distance can rare scanning addons eg NPC Scan scan for rare elites at ? IE What's their maximum range ? |
| 12:58.47 | Fisker | Alram |
| 12:58.49 | Fisker | i'm sick |
| 12:59.26 | Alram | why are you sick Fisker |
| 13:00.19 | Fisker | probably because i got infected with a virus that carries that type of infection |
| 13:01.00 | airtonix | hoho |
| 13:01.24 | airtonix | what animal is on the calendar this year in china ? |
| 13:02.27 | Alram | ok Fisker |
| 13:02.32 | Alram | well its going to be ok Fisker |
| 13:02.58 | Fisker | i don't think so |
| 13:03.17 | Alram | D: |
| 13:03.26 | airtonix | would you like to record your last will and testament |
| 13:05.21 | Fisker | nah airtonix |
| 13:05.27 | Fisker | or actually i would |
| 13:05.36 | Fisker | because if i don't it all goes to my nearest family or shit like that |
| 13:05.38 | airtonix | <begin record> |
| 13:05.44 | Fisker | noone touches my stuff |
| 13:05.53 | airtonix | </end record> |
| 13:06.55 | Fisker | i want service pack 1 before i die |
| 13:07.02 | bluspacecow | *giggles* |
| 13:07.18 | airtonix | i'm afraid that won't happen |
| 13:08.02 | bluspacecow | http://www.chinese.new-year.co.uk/calendar.htm |
| 13:08.31 | airtonix | ok let's see what virus fisker has... |
| 13:08.34 | bluspacecow | Rabbit. |
| 13:08.38 | airtonix | oh dear |
| 13:08.45 | bluspacecow | it be the Year of the Rabbit |
| 13:09.02 | Fisker | my eyes bluspacecow |
| 13:09.17 | airtonix | it could be myxomatosis fisker |
| 13:09.31 | airtonix | ~wiki myxomatosis |
| 13:11.29 | airtonix | http://kb.rspca.org.au/What-is-myxomatosis-and-how-do-I-protect-my-rabbit-from-it_73.html |
| 13:11.54 | airtonix | according to the famous animal foundation of australia, all rabbits are female |
| 13:12.03 | jnwhiteh | everyone seems to know about that in the UK |
| 13:12.09 | jnwhiteh | I was so so confused the first time someone brought it up |
| 13:12.13 | jnwhiteh | like I was supposed to know what it is |
| 13:14.58 | bluspacecow | fisker is a female rabbit ? |
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| 13:17.13 | Maldivia | bluspacecow: that would actually explain a lot... |
| 13:17.27 | jnwhiteh | lol someone was editing docs on wowprogramming.com |
| 13:17.30 | jnwhiteh | and his syntax wasn't quite right |
| 13:17.43 | jnwhiteh | so I helped fix it and sent him an email thanking him and giving him some pointers on how things are meant to work/look |
| 13:17.55 | airtonix | and he raged ? |
| 13:18.07 | jnwhiteh | he said he originally was convinced the email was from a bot.. but that it was disturbingly customized and detailed so he had to believe I wrote it myself. |
| 13:18.10 | jnwhiteh | I like being a bot =) |
| 13:18.14 | jnwhiteh | Fisker'd. |
| 13:18.17 | Maldivia | hehe |
| 13:18.26 | jnwhiteh | I should remove the notes field |
| 13:18.34 | jnwhiteh | but I think there are lots of functions with notes set |
| 13:18.41 | jnwhiteh | even though they are not displayed |
| 13:20.49 | mikma | that site is so poop! |
| 13:20.56 | mikma | wowpoopramming.com |
| 13:21.16 | airtonix | umadbro? |
| 13:21.22 | karl_w_w | Adys: what do you have chanted on your weapon? |
| 13:21.37 | Adys | hurricane |
| 13:21.38 | airtonix | sweet smells |
| 13:21.40 | Adys | ill get int next patch |
| 13:22.07 | karl_w_w | is there a reason or are you just putting it off? |
| 13:22.08 | jnwhiteh | mikma: I need a URL shortener |
| 13:22.15 | mikma | lolwut.com |
| 13:22.21 | jnwhiteh | wowpr.og |
| 13:22.22 | jnwhiteh | clearly |
| 13:22.30 | mikma | let's see |
| 13:22.48 | airtonix | uma.d |
| 13:22.55 | mikma | jnwhiteh: wowp.ro |
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| 13:23.22 | jnwhiteh | so people in my guild keep trying to spread the dirty rumour that spirit is the most important stat for a healer |
| 13:23.24 | jnwhiteh | and I want to stab them |
| 13:23.32 | airtonix | but it is |
| 13:23.34 | jnwhiteh | do they not understand the concept of 'primary stat' versus 'secondary stat'? |
| 13:23.40 | jnwhiteh | airtonix: except its not, kthx |
| 13:23.45 | airtonix | kkbai |
| 13:23.50 | jnwhiteh | at least not for Druids, which were the actual subject of this conversation |
| 13:24.00 | airtonix | loldruid |
| 13:24.28 | airtonix | just tell them that spirit is for warlocks |
| 13:24.43 | airtonix | it's the new spellpower |
| 13:24.58 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 13:27.17 | karl_w_w | wowl.ua |
| 13:27.28 | mikma | jnwhiteh: apparently wowp.ro is free |
| 13:27.37 | airtonix | yoink |
| 13:27.59 | Adys | im sure if you ask nicely, joystiq will give you wow.com |
| 13:28.02 | Adys | it's not like they use it. |
| 13:28.09 | jnwhiteh | mikma: heh |
| 13:28.10 | karl_w_w | Firefox can't find the server at www.wowl.ua. |
| 13:28.24 | Fisker | jnwhiteh |
| 13:28.27 | jnwhiteh | wow.api/UnitName |
| 13:28.29 | jnwhiteh | clearly |
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| 13:28.33 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: hi |
| 13:28.36 | mikma | jnwhiteh: winner |
| 13:28.37 | Fisker | sup |
| 13:28.42 | Fisker | march 1st :< |
| 13:28.47 | Fisker | what happened to those leaks saying late january |
| 13:29.40 | jnwhiteh | ? |
| 13:29.42 | jnwhiteh | what? |
| 13:30.02 | Kalroth | wow.cat/aclysm?! |
| 13:30.40 | Kalroth | fisker.is.a.cu/ .. :P |
| 13:30.54 | airtonix | pid |
| 13:31.31 | airtonix | pantsu! |
| 13:34.27 | karl_w_w | sm.eg |
| 13:34.53 | karl_w_w | wow, nobody has registered sm.eg |
| 13:34.57 | karl_w_w | that's amazing |
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| 13:35.29 | amro | http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=75415¤tpage=7 |
| 13:38.41 | jnwhiteh | haha |
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| 13:45.15 | bluspacecow_ | herro lopepppepy |
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| 13:46.14 | Lopeppeppy | Happy shiny Friday to you, bluspacecow_! |
| 13:46.44 | mikma | aww, too bad facefuck.com exists |
| 13:46.54 | mikma | would have been a great combo to mikma.eu |
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| 13:49.22 | Fisker | Kalroth |
| 13:49.25 | Fisker | i would watch out |
| 13:49.26 | Kalroth | pls |
| 13:49.30 | Fisker | also jnwhiteh the astrix 4g |
| 13:49.40 | Kalroth | It's really you again |
| 13:49.44 | jnwhiteh | ah |
| 13:49.45 | Kalroth | I never liked that Frisker fellow |
| 13:50.13 | Lopeppeppy | too much energy |
| 13:50.22 | foxlit | There's a big gaping hole in inscription recipes at around 385? |
| 13:50.54 | airtonix | don't talk about big gaping holes |
| 13:51.12 | foxlit | Seems like you're supposed to get to 400 with 3-ink yellow recipes :/ |
| 13:51.48 | bluspacecow_ | ..... |
| 13:52.13 | airtonix | hello bluspaceudderscore |
| 13:52.13 | jnwhiteh | foxlit: Northrend Inscription Research |
| 13:52.17 | jnwhiteh | and the results of it |
| 13:52.23 | jnwhiteh | from 386 - 400 |
| 13:52.34 | jnwhiteh | that's why its there =) |
| 13:53.01 | bluspacecow_ | i don't remember how i did that bracket on my inscriptionist/scribe |
| 13:53.02 | jnwhiteh | also, stop at 430 unless you need some of the personal bonuses that come after that :P |
| 13:53.46 | foxlit | jnwhiteh: the results of it are yellow at 385 |
| 13:54.00 | jnwhiteh | foxlit: but it itself are red |
| 13:54.02 | jnwhiteh | err |
| 13:54.05 | jnwhiteh | that wasn't english =) |
| 13:54.15 | foxlit | Fair enough. 24 hour cooldown, though :) |
| 13:54.20 | jnwhiteh | most professions wind up with a cooldown block |
| 13:54.29 | jnwhiteh | or at least alchemy had one as well |
| 13:54.32 | jnwhiteh | can't really speak of 'most' =) |
| 13:54.40 | jnwhiteh | the yellows give skillups suprisingly consistently |
| 13:54.52 | jnwhiteh | I made 18 Glyph of Kick to get to 400 |
| 13:54.53 | jnwhiteh | afaik |
| 13:55.15 | bluspacecow_ | theres some 385 level inscriptions you get from discovery |
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| 13:55.47 | jnwhiteh | that's what we're discussing |
| 13:55.53 | jnwhiteh | Northrend Inscription Research |
| 13:56.01 | bluspacecow_ | http://www.wowhead.com/skill=773#recipes:350+14+1 |
| 13:56.03 | bluspacecow_ | ahh |
| 13:56.05 | jnwhiteh | unless you mean actual discoveries, in which case I've never had a single one |
| 13:56.30 | jnwhiteh | elsprofessions.com is amazing |
| 13:56.30 | jnwhiteh | http://www.elsprofessions.com/inscription/leveling_350_450.html |
| 13:57.16 | bluspacecow_ | so discover a new glyph and use that to 400 ? |
| 13:57.43 | jnwhiteh | scroll back =) |
| 13:58.01 | foxlit | It's just a stark contrast to sub-380 levelling |
| 13:58.20 | foxlit | Where you almost always had 1 ink = guaranteed skill point recipes. |
| 13:58.36 | jnwhiteh | aye |
| 13:58.38 | jnwhiteh | but most dont' turn yellow until 390 |
| 13:58.40 | jnwhiteh | at which point you just have to push through |
| 13:58.42 | jnwhiteh | northrend herbs are easy to farm and not terribly expensive |
| 14:01.00 | Fisker | Â |
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| 14:01.43 | bluspacecow_ | what is this scroll thing you speak of ? it be too complicated for my simple kiwi mind ! |
| 14:01.48 | bluspacecow_ | :D |
| 14:02.06 | Kraps | http://www.gamepolitics.com/2011/01/13/parliamentary-games-day-success-says-gamers039-voice |
| 14:05.13 | Lopeppeppy | Kiwi! *grin* |
| 14:06.28 | Kraps | http://www.gamepolitics.com/2011/01/13/opinion-violent-media-culpable-arizona-tragedy |
| 14:06.29 | Fisker | i gotta pee |
| 14:06.46 | bluspacecow_ | not on me pls |
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| 14:07.22 | Cairenn | radio |
| 14:07.27 | Lunessa | ... |
| 14:07.31 | Fisker | i would if i could bluspacecow_ |
| 14:07.34 | Lunessa | ... station |
| 14:07.35 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 14:07.38 | Lopeppeppy | airplane! |
| 14:07.48 | bluspacecow_ | ride! |
| 14:07.54 | Lopeppeppy | *purr* |
| 14:08.18 | bluspacecow_ | of a car |
| 14:09.17 | airtonix | pls |
| 14:09.28 | airtonix | sir can i have some more |
| 14:10.02 | Cairenn | You can't have any pudding if you don't eat your meat. How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat? |
| 14:10.29 | mckenziemc | >.> |
| 14:10.30 | airtonix | vomits |
| 14:11.36 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm. Cake. |
| 14:11.47 | airtonix | uhoh bandwidth is only 384bytes/sec |
| 14:11.58 | mckenziemc | "The maximum number of points that can be scored is 0 at this moment, but this is a moving goalpost. " |
| 14:12.17 | mckenziemc | wrong channel |
| 14:12.24 | airtonix | you jest surely |
| 14:13.06 | mckenziemc | http://html5test.com/ |
| 14:13.25 | airtonix | ok Meester Sarcasm |
| 14:15.12 | Wobin | http://vimeo.com/18745411 |
| 14:15.18 | Wobin | Just to creep you out |
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| 14:17.49 | Zyn | on the other hand, that's the best video of her yet |
| 14:20.48 | Kraps | "I wanted to know if the blizzard want to directly cancel the function of druid healer?" |
| 14:20.57 | Fisker | airtonix |
| 14:21.22 | Kraps | is an american that makes fun of foreigners bad english |
| 14:21.25 | Fisker | Kraps |
| 14:22.12 | Kalroth | Kraps: English* |
| 14:22.34 | Kraps | dont make me cut you |
| 14:23.39 | bluspacecow_ | so your an Englishian who makes fun of foreigners bad american ? |
| 14:24.26 | bluspacecow_ | or a Fiskerian who makes fun of foreigners trolling ? |
| 14:25.00 | Fisker | i'm sick bluspacecow_ |
| 14:25.42 | mckenziemc | Kraps: foreigners' * |
| 14:25.53 | Lopeppeppy | Fisker, put on some socks and go to bed. |
| 14:26.05 | bluspacecow_ | your always sick fisker |
| 14:28.50 | Fisker | stop trolling me :( |
| 14:29.48 | industrial | Cairenn: http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/frog4.gif |
| 14:29.55 | industrial | its a little Fisker! |
| 14:29.58 | industrial | ^______^ |
| 14:30.00 | Cairenn | awwwww |
| 14:31.20 | bluspacecow_ | awwwww |
| 14:31.25 | Lopeppeppy | cuddly baby froggie? |
| 14:31.27 | Lopeppeppy | Weird. |
| 14:31.33 | bluspacecow_ | well guys i've hear of a cornelius |
| 14:31.37 | mckenziemc | 'chomp' |
| 14:31.38 | bluspacecow_ | but never the female form >_> |
| 14:36.21 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: http://store.steampowered.com/app/9860/ |
| 14:39.55 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: maybe, the first one wasnt all that special. |
| 14:40.40 | Kalroth | tages :( |
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| 14:49.05 | amro | silly nvidia driver |
| 14:49.10 | amro | destroyed my callstack |
| 14:49.38 | Fisker | coughs amro |
| 14:49.40 | amro | I overflowed by 1mb or so but still. |
| 14:52.57 | Kraps | Kalroth: why would you need to install it more than 3 times in 30 days? |
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| 14:54.48 | Fisker | 1 millibit amro ? |
| 14:54.51 | Fisker | that's not a lot |
| 14:56.19 | amro | still bigger than anything you've got |
| 14:56.25 | krka | that's what she said! |
| 15:00.14 | mikma | :) |
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| 15:15.54 | mikma | http://www.break.com/index/two-girls-two-balls-1981301 |
| 15:24.25 | Lunessa | As predicted, druid QQ... |
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| 15:26.47 | Kraps | so i was looking into a mirror and wondered how long my eyes have been bloodshot |
| 15:27.41 | Lopeppeppy | no way, qq? Nev-ar |
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| 15:57.01 | foxlit | PHP manual comments are hilarious |
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| 15:57.47 | foxlit | "array_pop() pops and returns the last value of the array, shortening the array by one element." is what the manual says; "$array = array_diff($array, array(array_pop($array)));" is code suggested by one of the comments to get the shortened array |
| 15:58.01 | Fisker | foxlit |
| 15:59.40 | foxlit | ordenspoliti, Fisker. |
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| 16:08.05 | bluspacecow_ | test |
| 16:08.07 | bluspacecow_ | fisker |
| 16:10.22 | mckenziemc | ~test |
| 16:10.22 | purl | Failed! |
| 16:19.18 | Lopeppeppy | has a bored. Bored bored bored. |
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| 16:25.06 | Adys | Lopeppeppy: www.ferryhalim.com/orisinal/g3/bells.htm |
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| 16:26.39 | amro | Adys: you know you're going to spend more time on that than peppy |
| 16:27.07 | Adys | nah |
| 16:27.12 | Adys | maybe |
| 16:28.21 | Lopeppeppy | yeah, bored /= nothing to do, just not liking my options. |
| 16:29.02 | amro | when I don't like something, I punch it. did you try punching your options? |
| 16:30.47 | Lopeppeppy | Punch the boss, you say? |
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| 16:31.05 | amro | hm. well that would definitely give you different options for the foreseeable future, I can say that. |
| 16:32.00 | Lopeppeppy | The future is never set in stone. :) |
| 16:32.45 | Adys | 6 million |
| 16:32.48 | Adys | i lost my touche :( |
| 16:32.49 | Adys | -e |
| 16:33.20 | Lopeppeppy | .. I read that completely, totally, very wrong. |
| 16:33.29 | Lopeppeppy | Very very wrong. -t, +d |
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| 16:34.26 | TC-Work | that is wrong, Adys has never lost that |
| 16:34.41 | Lopeppeppy | How do you know? |
| 16:34.51 | Lopeppeppy | It's his personal care item, he could have lost one somewhere or another. |
| 16:34.57 | bluspacecow_ | he never had it to begin with |
| 16:35.37 | Lopeppeppy | How do you know? |
| 16:36.47 | TC-Work | maybe Adys was just borrowing bluspacecow_ 's |
| 16:36.48 | bluspacecow_ | i has esp |
| 16:37.02 | Lopeppeppy | Or maybe bluspacecow_ didn't have one to loan. |
| 16:38.01 | Lopeppeppy | These things don't grow on bushes like banans, you know. |
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| 16:41.17 | amro | losing your douche is one thing, prefacing that with "6 million"... I'm not sure how to interpret that |
| 16:41.22 | amro | hi stolenlegacy. |
| 16:41.33 | stolenlegacy | evening amro |
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| 16:53.00 | Traxxis | So... I am messing around with making UI elements and made a styled frame that I can drag around, and have some text in it -- can someone point me in the right direction to changing the size of the text? |
| 16:53.26 | haste | !api SetFont |
| 16:53.26 | lua_bot | Found 5 possible results for 'SetFont': FontInstance:SetFontObject, SimpleHTML:SetFont, Button:SetFontString, SimpleHTML:SetFontObject, FontInstance:SetFont |
| 16:53.57 | Traxxis | thanks |
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| 16:57.39 | drag0nius | is there some way to target corpses other than /targetlastenemy? |
| 16:59.37 | Kraps | Adys: all those games are better on weed |
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| 17:16.48 | drag0nius | no1 knows? |
| 17:17.48 | amro | ask a necrophile |
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| 17:27.58 | Lunessa | gives Lopeppeppy something to do so she's not bored. |
| 17:29.01 | Fisker | gives Lunessa "something" as well |
| 17:29.30 | Lunessa | Fisker, fisker, fisker... How many times do I have to tell you? You have all the wrong bits. |
| 17:29.48 | Fisker | for what? |
| 17:30.00 | Fisker | santa is a dude as well :( |
| 17:30.00 | Lunessa | for "something" |
| 17:31.40 | Fisker | well something was a cold i got today |
| 17:35.10 | Fisker | why can't Blizzard learn2forums |
| 17:37.18 | Kraps | yeah, we need realid on the forums |
| 17:37.57 | Fisker | no |
| 17:38.29 | Fisker | we just need when they make these topic redirects that they actually lead you back from where you came, rather than the new forum |
| 17:38.31 | Fisker | rage, etc. |
| 17:39.15 | Fisker | technical forums are sad though |
| 17:39.23 | Fisker | "I just upgraded my computer" |
| 17:39.30 | Fisker | So now it has a Geforce 8600GT |
| 17:39.34 | Fisker | baw :< |
| 17:39.40 | Fisker | "I just upgraded my computer" |
| 17:39.47 | Fisker | So now it has a Core 2 Quad |
| 17:39.50 | Fisker | bawbawbbaw? |
| 17:40.34 | alestane | I just thought I'd drop out and say "Hello." |
| 17:40.37 | alestane | ....Hello! |
| 17:40.53 | bluspacecow_ | drop out of ? |
| 17:40.54 | Lunessa | Hello! |
| 17:47.05 | Kraps | http://kotaku.com/5733715/one-does-not-simply-tunnel-into-gamestop |
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| 17:54.53 | syrae | GOOD MORNING CHANNEL PEOPLES |
| 17:55.28 | Lopeppeppy | HI |
| 17:55.37 | syrae | I am excited today |
| 17:55.46 | syrae | I will be signing job offer papers in a few hours |
| 17:56.00 | Lopeppeppy | I'm excited for presents from Lunessa. I am now excited about a new job for syrae, too. |
| 17:56.02 | Lopeppeppy | These are good. |
| 17:56.09 | syrae | indeed! |
| 17:56.32 | syrae | new company seems much more likable than current one, and they are gonna pay me SO MUCH MORE MONIES |
| 17:56.51 | syrae | I woulda still worked for them if they paid me the same |
| 17:56.56 | Lunessa | syrae: Congratulations. Jobs with the paychecks are good for getting bagels with the creamy cheese, creamy. |
| 17:56.57 | syrae | but don't tell them tht |
| 17:57.04 | syrae | :D |
| 17:57.17 | syrae | hugs Lopeppeppy and Lunessa gleefully |
| 17:58.13 | Lopeppeppy | 5 more minutes! |
| 17:58.30 | Lunessa | could use a job where they pay him lots more monies. |
| 17:58.40 | syrae | Lopeppeppy: until our doom? |
| 17:59.25 | syrae | Lunessa: I'm kinda imagining it as payback for the last 3.5 years of no raises, only pay decreases.. even after my promotion |
| 18:00.32 | Lopeppeppy | 5 more minutes to sleep, before I take you. To get the bagel. With the cream cheese. And some coffee. |
| 18:00.35 | Lunessa | syrae: I work for a university - a state funded university - and the future looks bleak for monies. I would dearly love to make lots more monies because I wants MOAR stuffs. |
| 18:00.48 | Lopeppeppy | slips a 20 into... nevermind... |
| 18:01.00 | Lunessa | syrae: see http://www.illwillpress.com |
| 18:01.25 | mikma | http://www.geekologie.com/2011/01/raiding_the_crapper_world_of_w.php |
| 18:01.30 | Lopeppeppy | NSFW, btw. Very NSFW. Foamy is a mouthy bastard, and Pilsey is insane. |
| 18:01.43 | Lunessa | And Germaine is a whore. |
| 18:01.55 | Lopeppeppy | Nah, crack-whore. |
| 18:02.18 | amro | FOAMY |
| 18:02.23 | Lopeppeppy | Cult of Foamy! |
| 18:02.59 | amro | [master 6ed500a] Use a texture that looks less like a bag of cocks for the test slider |
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| 18:03.19 | syrae | Lunessa: I know. My friend in College Station is in the same boat. Looks like he's starting to shop around for similar positions in Cali... partly because I think he wants to live near enough to me so we can see each other more than once a year. :P |
| 18:03.45 | Lunessa | syrae: does your friend work at A&M? And is he a tall fellow? |
| 18:04.18 | Lopeppeppy | Come to New York, freeze and don't get paid. |
| 18:04.20 | syrae | Lunessa: he does work at A&M. He is a normal guy-height at about 6'. He is bald and has a goatee |
| 18:04.48 | Lopeppeppy | 6' is tall, trust me. Normal guy height is 5'8" to 5'10" |
| 18:04.54 | syrae | ah |
| 18:04.56 | olafski | http://www.peeperstv.com/pictures/275000/edwardnorton.jpg is that him? |
| 18:05.12 | mikma | http://www.iwatchstuff.com/2011/01/oh_a_dynasty_movie_now_and_mor.php |
| 18:05.18 | Lunessa | syrae: Small world. I believe I have met this dude at a conference or three. |
| 18:05.30 | foxlit | # WHAAAAAT? Casuals mock Blizzard's divine will by exploiting their way to victory! UNACCEPTABLE! |
| 18:05.52 | Fisker | you're a normal guy height Lopeppeppy |
| 18:05.53 | olafski | the casuals shall inherit the azeroth! |
| 18:06.02 | Lopeppeppy | Fisker... so very not. I'm a gnome, hello. |
| 18:06.14 | Fisker | oh nevermind then |
| 18:06.36 | foxlit | That phrase doesn't appear in google results often enough |
| 18:06.40 | amro | is that why Fisker keeps trying to eat you? |
| 18:06.49 | syrae | Lunessa: He is one of the bald, goateed men in this pict: http://www.flickr.com/photos/molecularatom/5346797845/ |
| 18:07.04 | Lopeppeppy | There are three. *laugh* |
| 18:07.23 | syrae | actually, there's a total of 5 on stage at that point :P |
| 18:07.24 | Lopeppeppy | There are tons of bald goatee males out there nowadays, it's the "in" look, esp. in tech. |
| 18:07.35 | syrae | Lopeppeppy: exactly. |
| 18:07.39 | Lunessa | syrae: If he is the one on the left of the image, I know him. We met at Tx HEART conference. |
| 18:08.02 | syrae | Lunessa: he's the one on the left wearing the blizzcon t-shirt, holding the book |
| 18:08.22 | Lunessa | Then yes. He and I have met. |
| 18:09.30 | Lopeppeppy | Blizzcon!! |
| 18:09.43 | amro | where's that pic from? bald white male in jeans and black shirt-convention? |
| 18:09.50 | Lunessa | If you mention me (also bald, goatee) as the guy from UHCL who used to run Starships & Dragons in the early 90s, he'll recognize me. |
| 18:10.39 | syrae | amro: it's from a cruise last week. There were ~370 "nerds" on board, and one of the entertainers sported that look. They found out other people also had that look, and they recruited them to create the "Brotherhood of Stepto" |
| 18:12.18 | syrae | Lunessa: he appears to actually be "busy" at "work" right now. :P |
| 18:12.30 | Lunessa | *chuckle* |
| 18:12.31 | amro | glad they couldn't find anyone else with this look http://www.flickr.com/photos/molecularatom/5346793581/in/set-72157625811729280/ |
| 18:13.00 | syrae | Lunessa: he says, " I don't actually know many people form University of Houston - Clear Lake. I'm familiar with the name Starships and Dragons, but I never went there, actually." |
| 18:13.10 | syrae | amro: haha |
| 18:13.35 | syrae | amro: he was wearing a costume. |
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| 18:14.30 | syrae | tekkub: GRATS! |
| 18:14.46 | Lopeppeppy | They always do. |
| 18:14.52 | tekkub | rawr |
| 18:15.01 | Lunessa | syrae: *chuckle* We met at Tx HEART conference like 2 years ago. |
| 18:16.53 | Lopeppeppy | goldfish memory |
| 18:16.57 | syrae | Lunessa: hehe |
| 18:17.19 | syrae | "hmm. I've been to exactly 1 HEART conference, and I ended up speaking on wireless support at A&M CS. yeah, it was about 2 years ago I was at HEART" |
| 18:17.41 | syrae | "besides, as we discovered on the cruise, bald and goateed is a pretty common look for guys. :)" |
| 18:17.45 | syrae | heh |
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| 18:20.55 | mckenziemc | ~version |
| 18:20.55 | purl | i heard version is Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -d |
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| 18:21.27 | mckenziemc | well that's not what i expected : / |
| 18:21.38 | Fisker | sure was |
| 18:22.12 | Lopeppeppy | what did you expect? |
| 18:23.05 | mckenziemc | i forgot what the command is to show the bot's current version + latest available (i'm lazy and didn't want to google) |
| 18:23.12 | Kraps | Lunessa: wow, the qq is strong with the druids |
| 18:23.20 | mckenziemc | s/google/google for the latest version/ |
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| 18:24.09 | durcyn | ~uptime |
| 18:24.21 | durcyn | yeah, that's it. replies in a privmsg. |
| 18:25.37 | Traxxis | How can I add a simplehtml object to a parent frame so it displays on that frame? I am having trouble figuring this out :( |
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| 18:47.53 | Traxxis | !api simplehtml |
| 18:47.53 | lua_bot | Found 23 possible matches for 'simplehtml'. Please be more specific |
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| 18:59.58 | Dajova | Does anyone know if KIS (Kaspersky Internet Security) 2011 have any automatic features that sucks up CPU every 15m or so? It's so annoying getting 3 fps for 30 sec just cause of that and i have no idea where i can disable it -.-" Checked every option available and did set everything on "Application statup" for scheduled tasks, but still persists :( |
| 19:01.38 | cbreak | Dajova: isn't the whole purpose of all that internet security and anti virus crap to suck up CPU time to make noobs feel more secure? |
| 19:01.56 | Fisker | basically |
| 19:02.00 | Fisker | probably real time protection |
| 19:02.14 | Dajova | cbreak: it was working fine with 2009 without anything like this :P |
| 19:02.27 | mckenziemc | it's cause Fisker's trying to hack your system every 15 minutes |
| 19:02.39 | Fisker | yes, very |
| 19:05.44 | Fisker | moo: os: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional - Service Pack 1 (6.1.7601) |
| 19:10.11 | Dagmar | cbreak: no, it's to "enhance shareholder interest" |
| 19:10.19 | Dagmar | cbreak: They're buggy-whip now and they don't even know it |
| 19:12.28 | cbreak | but really, what do you hope to gain from that program? |
| 19:12.34 | cbreak | "Internet Security"? |
| 19:12.43 | cbreak | the only viable internet security is knowledge |
| 19:13.09 | Dagmar | I'd just uninstall the fucker until they make a program that's not trying to do the insane |
| 19:13.44 | cbreak | keep your programs up-to-date, don't install useless/random/untrusted crap, don't run unused services |
| 19:13.51 | cbreak | work as non-administrator user |
| 19:13.57 | Dagmar | ...and use a firewall. |
| 19:14.00 | cbreak | and use good passwords |
| 19:14.18 | cbreak | firewall doesn't add that much |
| 19:14.26 | cbreak | ideally, you'd have no listening ports anyway |
| 19:14.30 | cbreak | so nothing to firewall |
| 19:14.48 | Dagmar | Ideally, but it's a freakin' windows box we're talking about |
| 19:14.48 | cbreak | also, I bet most people are behind an NAT router, so aren't reachable anyway |
| 19:14.59 | cbreak | hmm... you have a point there |
| 19:15.13 | cbreak | many years ago there was windows 95 |
| 19:15.34 | Dagmar | ...and it had three or four ports listening by default, for no obvious reason. |
| 19:15.36 | cbreak | it actually listened on port 137 or so just to crash when someone sent certain packets |
| 19:15.38 | Dajova | cbreak: Cause ever since i installed that program i have NEVER been hacked. Everyone i know have at least been hacked once, whenever it's on wow or just keylogged. Either way, i've always been safe ever since then. |
| 19:15.50 | cbreak | Dajova: I've never been hacked. |
| 19:15.58 | cbreak | and I have not installed that program. |
| 19:16.09 | Traxxis | Can someone take a look at my code -> http://pastebin.com/nfbdiA1y and tell me why no text appears when I throw up html with SetText |
| 19:16.11 | Dajova | Then you dont surf as much :P |
| 19:16.23 | durcyn | windows security software gives me an erection |
| 19:16.24 | Dagmar | Dajova: Stop using Internet Explorer |
| 19:16.32 | Dajova | fuck ie |
| 19:16.33 | durcyn | but that's more to do with owning stock in mcafee |
| 19:16.35 | Dajova | ff ftw |
| 19:16.47 | cbreak | Dajova: I have around 50gb traffic per day from my home network |
| 19:17.04 | cbreak | I doubt you surf as much. |
| 19:18.14 | Dajova | Well, either you have one preinstalled in your modem/router or whatever you use or you're just lucky. |
| 19:18.20 | cbreak | no... |
| 19:18.31 | cbreak | it's just that unlike most people, I know what I am doing |
| 19:19.03 | cbreak | most people have not even an idea how computers work |
| 19:19.09 | Dajova | Those "most" ppl is telling you now that they don't have a clue what you're talking about :) |
| 19:19.38 | Dajova | I know what im doing as well, but im rather safe than sorry |
| 19:19.50 | Dajova | Experienced that more than once |
| 19:19.51 | cbreak | and what safety does that program offer? |
| 19:19.56 | durcyn | you're running web browsers as an administrative user, you don't know shit. |
| 19:19.57 | Dajova | everything |
| 19:20.00 | cbreak | do you even know what it does? |
| 19:20.05 | Dajova | yes |
| 19:20.10 | cbreak | what does it do? |
| 19:20.10 | Dajova | been using it for 4 years |
| 19:20.54 | Dajova | i cant be arsed to rabble all it does |
| 19:20.55 | Dajova | as i said |
| 19:21.06 | cbreak | you know what the best security tool for windows is? |
| 19:21.11 | Dajova | its a complete internet sercurity program |
| 19:21.12 | cbreak | Windows Update. |
| 19:21.23 | Dajova | i use that as well and it's just annoying |
| 19:21.58 | Dagmar | ...and yet you are bitching about a program you don't know what is doing |
| 19:22.07 | cbreak | I guess some people are just suckers for marketing babble :) |
| 19:22.08 | Dajova | I used to say exactly as you are saying just now for 5 years ago |
| 19:22.22 | Dajova | and didnt use a program for it |
| 19:22.24 | Dagmar | Really. I've been saying this *same stuff* for about 20 now. |
| 19:22.32 | Dajova | but got hacked anyway and lost many accounts |
| 19:22.35 | Dajova | for doing nothing |
| 19:22.43 | Dajova | belive me, i was doing NOTHING to get hacked |
| 19:22.47 | durcyn | please stop using the word 'hacked'. |
| 19:22.50 | cbreak | haha... that's what they all say |
| 19:22.50 | Dagmar | Because your ignorance makes you krill |
| 19:23.08 | cbreak | "I did nothing... but opening that e-mail" |
| 19:23.14 | Dajova | yeah well, experience beats knowledge |
| 19:23.21 | cbreak | or "I did nothing... but clicking on that link, while surfing as admin" |
| 19:23.27 | Lopeppeppy | A baseball bat with spikes beats most anything. |
| 19:23.38 | Dajova | you can know everything there is to know about stuff and yet be beaten to it someday |
| 19:23.44 | Dagmar | ...or they ran their windows box wth default settings and no firewall. |
| 19:23.48 | Dagmar | That's my favorite |
| 19:23.53 | cbreak | or "I did nothing... not even update the system that had well known security problems" |
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| 19:23.59 | durcyn | "it was just a flash object that opened a PDF, I can't imagine how that happened" |
| 19:24.18 | Dagmar | Dajove: No, you can't. That's something the ignorant say to make themselves feel better. |
| 19:24.22 | mitchnull | cbreak: unfortunately there were/are plenty of priv. escalation bugs, too. so surfing as non-admin is a good advice, but not a 100% guarantee against getting fuxored |
| 19:24.31 | Dagmar | If you know _everything_ about it, you can _not_ be beaten to the punch. |
| 19:24.38 | cbreak | mitchnull: I am aware of that. |
| 19:24.47 | mitchnull | using an obscure OS nobody cares about is another option, too (like freebsd) |
| 19:24.55 | cbreak | but the main threat for most home users are carpet bombing attacks |
| 19:24.58 | cbreak | not spear fishing |
| 19:25.06 | cbreak | so they will attack the dumbest users |
| 19:25.06 | Dajova | Dagmar: that's what i call ignorance. You wont change your statement unless you get keylogged or hacked yourself. |
| 19:25.10 | Dagmar | It's impossible to know everything, which is why experts rarely get hacked, HOWEVER, the alternative of acting like it's futile to try is fucking *stupid* and gets people hacked all the time. |
| 19:25.15 | cbreak | they won't bother with privilege escalation |
| 19:25.26 | Dagmar | Dajova: Because I've had people fucking paying me to keep their shit secure |
| 19:25.47 | Dajova | Exactly |
| 19:26.04 | Dagmar | I don't get 'hacked' because I pay attention, follow best practices, and *never* enable shit that I don't know what is doing. |
| 19:26.12 | cbreak | Idiots rely on "Internet Security Programs"... and then they wonder why their stuff doesn't work anymore |
| 19:26.19 | Seerah | tosses a bucket of water on the channel |
| 19:26.35 | mitchnull | dodges |
| 19:26.39 | cbreak | a very popular aspect of that are those "OMG, you got VIRUS" banners |
| 19:26.40 | Dagmar | takes advantage of the water and tases newbs |
| 19:26.53 | cbreak | and people still fall for that... |
| 19:26.56 | Dajova | Either way, i was asking a thing about why it eats CPU when it shouldnt. I didnt ask for your f*cking opinion why i use it. |
| 19:27.08 | mitchnull | dajova: 'cos it's crap |
| 19:27.09 | Fisker | i'm sick mitchnull |
| 19:27.09 | cbreak | it eats CPU time because that's it's purpose |
| 19:27.16 | Dajova | I use it cause i feel secure |
| 19:27.22 | durcyn | Dagmar: i saw a video of people lining up and holding hands to see how far the taser would go, the first five or six of them felt it |
| 19:27.24 | Dagmar | They have help forums. Perhaps they can explain what their beloved product is doing |
| 19:27.36 | cbreak | it's like with medical placebos |
| 19:27.40 | Dagmar | Most likely it's consulting a massive database of malware that's not been in circulation in years. |
| 19:27.53 | cbreak | the big, red and bitter ones work much better than the tiny white ones that taste like suggar |
| 19:28.01 | Dajova | It should only eat CPU if its scanning, never else. So if you dont know what's causing it, then dont involve in it. |
| 19:28.08 | mitchnull | fisker: told you to drink vodka (or your fav strong alcoholic beverage) but you wouldn't listen |
| 19:28.09 | Fisker | btw noes jnwhiteh |
| 19:28.15 | Fisker | my trackball stopped working to the right |
| 19:28.21 | cbreak | Dajova: do you really want to know what it does? |
| 19:28.24 | Fisker | how does that work? |
| 19:28.32 | mitchnull | instead you probably listen to all the kitten lover girls here and went to bed with socks on and drank tea |
| 19:28.37 | Dajova | Not what it does |
| 19:28.38 | Dagmar | Fisker: Time to clean it, man |
| 19:28.39 | cbreak | Dajova: there are tools from sysinternals that can help you... if you have lots of time to analyze the log |
| 19:28.43 | Dajova | what's causing it |
| 19:28.46 | Lopeppeppy | Never wear socks to bed! Not even when Fisker is sick. |
| 19:28.58 | Dagmar | Stupidity and sloth cause it. |
| 19:29.12 | cbreak | what happened to the other five sins? |
| 19:29.21 | cbreak | was stupidity one of the five sins? if not, she should be added. |
| 19:29.22 | alestane | That depends how cold it is in your room, Lopeppeppy. |
| 19:29.25 | Fisker | how would i clean it Dagmar ? |
| 19:29.25 | Dagmar | Like what? Gluttony? |
| 19:29.36 | cbreak | Dagmar: ate too much ram |
| 19:29.41 | Dagmar | Could be |
| 19:29.51 | durcyn | "your virus scanner sucks because you are fat", that works. |
| 19:30.04 | cbreak | I added an OpenCV backed camera import module to my program at work today |
| 19:30.07 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, be under blankets, no need socks. |
| 19:30.30 | cbreak | the source images were much bigger than the ones I tested so far, so in few minutes, I used 6gb of memory :) |
| 19:30.32 | cbreak | just one program |
| 19:30.46 | cbreak | I think I should not cache every frame there... |
| 19:30.59 | alestane | Kat was chilly enough sleeping upstairs at my grandmother's that I think she wore her socks to bed. |
| 19:31.45 | alestane | Although I think that was as much because the sheets were thoroughly chilled when we got into bed. |
| 19:32.16 | Seerah | wears socks to bed if it's not freaking hot. Granted, they usually come off halfway through the night... |
| 19:32.28 | Seerah | doesn't see the problem |
| 19:32.42 | mitchnull | socks in bed: you're doing it wrong |
| 19:32.54 | alestane | Lopeppeppy's toes crave air and freedom, Seerah. |
| 19:33.22 | Lopeppeppy | exactly, mitchnull! |
| 19:33.41 | Lopeppeppy | Seerah, I despise socks, I hate wearing them. Winter makes me sad, I have to cover my toes a lot to prevent frostbites. |
| 19:33.43 | Lopeppeppy | So so sad. |
| 19:33.56 | Seerah | You need to move south :p |
| 19:34.18 | Adys | Solution: cover them in butter |
| 19:34.22 | Lunessa | Wowen have cold feets. It is always true. |
| 19:34.24 | cbreak | you could grow a winter pelt |
| 19:34.26 | mitchnull | as a side-note: windows media player is the shittiest media player I've encountered in the last 10 years or so |
| 19:34.30 | cbreak | my cat does that |
| 19:34.38 | cbreak | seems to work |
| 19:35.18 | Seerah | I had to read twice to see you meant winter pelt instead of butter |
| 19:35.56 | cbreak | a cat in butter? sounds barbaric and/or chinese :/ |
| 19:36.58 | alestane | Lunessa, not always. |
| 19:37.50 | Lunessa | alestane: I must choose them by some criterion that causes them to always have cold feets. |
| 19:38.12 | alestane | Kat always does pins my feets between hers for two reasons; firstly, so she knows where they are and is not shocked by them finding her in the night; and secondly, because they chill her feet so she doesn't have to hang them out of the covers. |
| 19:39.51 | Lopeppeppy | I enjoy to put my feets on someone's kidneys, when the proper opportunity presents itself. I don't know if I'm a cold-feets-duck or not. |
| 19:43.59 | Fisker | Â |
| 19:45.38 | mckenziemc | i wear socks to bed so i don't have to put them on when i make night-trips to the bathroom : / |
| 19:45.49 | Lopeppeppy | Walk faster! |
| 19:45.50 | Maldivia | hmm, any Aussies here? |
| 19:45.53 | mckenziemc | cold linoleum (sp) + ceramic tile ftl |
| 19:45.53 | batbot | mckenziemc, linoleum is correct. |
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| 19:46.09 | mckenziemc | batbot: list |
| 19:50.42 | Adys | Maldivia: bleeter |
| 19:51.12 | Maldivia | Adys: ok :P |
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| 20:12.51 | Shirik | You know what's a really good way to make sure you never sell anything again on the AH? |
| 20:13.17 | Shirik | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/3b0f07b348084a2dd762d2c1ec1b26be.png |
| 20:13.21 | Shirik | undercut me by 1c |
| 20:13.27 | Shirik | see how many more things you sell |
| 20:13.46 | Lopeppeppy | meanie monster |
| 20:14.03 | foxlit | hate you and your ilk, Shirik? :) |
| 20:14.41 | foxlit | seriously, though, undercutting by 1c is bs. |
| 20:14.44 | Shirik | oh btw in that screenshot |
| 20:14.48 | Shirik | you can see the best guild name ever |
| 20:14.55 | Shirik | <SELECT geeks FROM players> |
| 20:15.01 | Shirik | sadly I am not in it :( |
| 20:15.06 | mckenziemc | >.> |
| 20:15.26 | Shirik | foxlit: Totally agree |
| 20:15.32 | Shirik | However this guy chose to do it |
| 20:15.43 | Shirik | and now I will be looking for everything he sells and I will be undercutting him by 1c every chance I get |
| 20:15.50 | Shirik | Until he learns my name and realizes not to do it anymore |
| 20:15.56 | mckenziemc | you seriously expect him -not- to do that? o.O |
| 20:16.09 | Shirik | yes |
| 20:16.17 | foxlit | Have you noticed that the glyph prices are entirely... random? |
| 20:16.18 | Dagmar | For god's sake don't mail him |
| 20:16.20 | mckenziemc | >.> |
| 20:16.23 | foxlit | Stuff sells for 200g, stuff sells for 15g |
| 20:16.26 | alestane | "Your Bank", Shirik? |
| 20:16.27 | foxlit | SAME F'ING REAGENTS! |
| 20:16.35 | Shirik | Well, alestane, my character's name is kimi |
| 20:16.52 | Shirik | I know it's a little confusing because "kimi" means "you" :P |
| 20:16.53 | Lunessa | Unkle is mean: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1869561476#4 |
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| 20:17.21 | alestane | There's been a rogue, I think, on our server since forever named Mendoukusai. |
| 20:17.47 | mikma | kimi räikkönen |
| 20:18.22 | Seerah | Lunessa: omg, that bastard |
| 20:18.26 | Seerah | :D |
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| 20:20.15 | Adys | http://www.notquitewrong.com/rosscottinc/2008/10/24/the-system-82/ |
| 20:22.27 | alestane | Ace3 wasn't ever compatible with Ace2, was it? I thought it was a revised platform for new development, not a drop-in replacement. |
| 20:23.06 | Adys | http://www.notquitewrong.com/rosscottinc/2009/02/09/the-system-148/ |
| 20:23.11 | Adys | I'm loving this comic |
| 20:23.12 | Gnarfoz | alestane: they are separate |
| 20:23.19 | Seerah | Lunessa: Tseerah is mean http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1869561476?page=1#5 |
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| 20:24.28 | Lopeppeppy | You guys make me grin. |
| 20:25.10 | Seerah | don't you miss it, Lopeppeppy? :D |
| 20:25.49 | Lopeppeppy | I do. I'm not a dino anymore, I can bite too! |
| 20:26.10 | Lunessa | *chuckle* |
| 20:26.26 | Lunessa | Seerah has teeth! |
| 20:26.27 | Lopeppeppy | I just have to... find the energy to sharpen my teeth. |
| 20:26.50 | Cide | hi |
| 20:27.22 | Seerah | ooh, now that dungeoneering guide is 550. glad I didn't buy it last night :p |
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| 20:31.36 | foxlit | someone should make an addon called that |
| 20:32.09 | Lopeppeppy | "Glad I Didn't Buy It Last Night" ? |
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| 20:35.25 | alestane | This, this is scary. Amusing, but scary: http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1945481 |
| 20:38.22 | Shirik | alestane: lmao |
| 20:42.32 | alestane | "Sometimes, when Link's really getting on my nerves....I get kidnapped on purpose." |
| 20:43.28 | Lopeppeppy | Shotgun works better. |
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| 20:51.22 | alestane | http://textsfromlastnight.com/Text-Replies-24197.html |
| 20:52.01 | Lunessa | Seerah: You know, my alt can make those. |
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| 20:52.25 | Lopeppeppy | 90% of the time, Lunessa has an alt with that skill. He's scary-good. |
| 20:52.25 | Seerah | yeah, but the mats are so expensive, I'd rather rip off someone else ;) |
| 20:52.36 | Lunessa | :D |
| 20:52.49 | Seerah | someone who just made it for the skill up :) |
| 20:53.03 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: I have an alt with every profession. I still need to max out several though. |
| 20:53.07 | Seerah | and who isn't going to make up the 1600-1700g in mats |
| 20:53.25 | alestane | My main on Bloodhoof is now 85, so you me start seeing me some more on Kirin Tor soon. |
| 20:53.40 | alestane | may* |
| 20:53.56 | Seerah | so we should stop talking about you in case you log in? |
| 20:54.08 | Seerah | :) |
| 20:54.32 | Lopeppeppy | *innocent* |
| 20:55.13 | alestane | and stuff |
| 20:56.49 | Lopeppeppy | Totally am. |
| 20:57.36 | Lunessa | GT needs more Peppy Action. *nod* |
| 20:57.48 | Lopeppeppy | *big sad eyes* |
| 20:58.13 | Lopeppeppy | Some days feeding the cats is effort, I's working on my mojo. But it's in short shrift here in the Frozen Norths. |
| 20:58.54 | Lunessa | North are frozen. You should move to other castle. |
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| 21:01.55 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm. Ohio test castle also frozen, what to do? |
| 21:02.38 | alestane | Boston just as snowy, I'm afraid. But I'm sure Lunessa would be happy to see you in The Great State of TEXASâ¢. |
| 21:02.58 | Lunessa | We have beer and guns! |
| 21:03.18 | alestane | Occasionally at the same time. |
| 21:03.30 | Lopeppeppy | ...I prefers not? |
| 21:03.35 | Lunessa | More than occasionally. |
| 21:03.50 | Lopeppeppy | Beer and guns don't mix up here in redneckville, at least. |
| 21:04.05 | Lopeppeppy | (preference was danger of guns, not abandoning the lurv of Lunessa!) |
| 21:04.27 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: Presence of guns is overstated for comedic effect. |
| 21:04.46 | alestane | That guy at least admitted he overreacted, Lunessa. |
| 21:05.06 | syrae | JOB OFFER SIGNED! |
| 21:05.28 | Lopeppeppy | Woot, monies for the hobbies for the medications expensive! |
| 21:05.32 | alestane | Always good news, syrae. |
| 21:05.33 | Shirik | grats syrae |
| 21:05.37 | Lopeppeppy | (Pilsey line, please take no offense) |
| 21:05.47 | Shirik | starts full time in just over a week... |
| 21:05.55 | syrae | hugs Lopeppeppy |
| 21:06.04 | Lopeppeppy | Oooh, Shirik too! Many goodnesses! |
| 21:06.06 | syrae | Shirik: grats to you, too! :) |
| 21:06.38 | alestane | I has a couple leads, but nothing worth staking on yet. Seems like the only openings cropping up involve Java. |
| 21:07.01 | Shirik | On Sunday I make the move across the country |
| 21:07.09 | Shirik | final move for a long time |
| 21:07.26 | Lopeppeppy | Totally made of crazy... and fun! I hope it's your last move for a good long while, and the HVAC works properly. |
| 21:08.54 | Shirik | :( |
| 21:09.05 | Shirik | The last Fiordland kakapo has died |
| 21:09.17 | Shirik | They're now extinct in the wild as far as we know |
| 21:10.20 | mitchnull | that's what you get for having a stoopid name |
| 21:11.55 | Kraps | what the heck http://wow.joystiq.com/2011/01/14/drama-mamas-goldselling-guildie |
| 21:11.57 | alestane | Anyone know whether LibPeriodicTable is likely to be updated for Cataclysm at all? |
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| 21:36.36 | KarlKFI | i wish |
| 21:36.48 | KarlKFI | Baggins needs it for sorting |
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| 21:43.59 | alestane | That's why I'm looking, Bagginns keeps filing new-class mats under "Other." |
| 21:44.21 | KarlKFI | it hasnt been updated in quite a while |
| 21:45.21 | KarlKFI | FYI Also on Curse now for you curse client users: http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/chatedit.aspx |
| 21:46.37 | Lunessa | How useful of you. |
| 21:46.57 | KarlKFI | time to see if those curse author credits are any good |
| 21:47.30 | KarlKFI | getting it working using wowinterface's svn repo was a PITA |
| 21:48.30 | KarlKFI | well ChatEdit wasn't too bad. I tried putting up FluidFrames with its svn:externaled libraries and i broke the curse packager |
| 21:50.10 | KarlKFI | the fact that curse svn requires the trunk to be the root of your addon is annoying tho |
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| 21:50.53 | KarlKFI | thankfully wowinterface's packager can handle both ways |
| 21:51.54 | KarlKFI | i'm beginning to think jnwhiteh might be onto something with his mirror's git repos tho |
| 21:54.47 | Lunessa | Hey, even SVN beats mu current system of keeping shit in folders on a drive. |
| 21:56.33 | KarlKFI | i've been doing this shit for years. I stopped putting stuff on curse before curseforge because double posting was annoying as fuck |
| 21:57.34 | KarlKFI | I still dont like maintaining two descriptions and two comment sections, but if i can at least automate publishing that's that much less i have to deal with |
| 21:58.09 | KarlKFI | and curse client >> wowi client unfortunetly |
| 21:58.29 | durcyn | whatever happened to the wowi git thing |
| 21:58.37 | KarlKFI | it's availible now |
| 21:58.44 | KarlKFI | front page news |
| 21:58.46 | durcyn | i'd actually keep things up to date there if i could just push it through a script |
| 21:59.26 | KarlKFI | i think curse has a publishing api, i dont think wowi does |
| 21:59.46 | durcyn | if the packager can pull in external repositories, then it's 97% there |
| 21:59.48 | Elkano | I wonder why notch went back to svn from git... |
| 22:00.46 | KarlKFI | curse's .pkgmeta can handle externals liek that but then it's only compatible with curse and like jnwhiteh said, if you check out the project you dont have the dependancies |
| 22:01.20 | durcyn | well, then, what's the fucking point. hard embedding libraries is out of the question. |
| 22:01.29 | KarlKFI | you can use svn:Externals on wowinterface, but when i tried to use them in combination with curse's external repo feature it broke |
| 22:01.55 | durcyn | there's a packager, why not make it suck as little as possible |
| 22:02.07 | KarlKFI | i found like 4 curse bugs yesterday just trying to get FluidFrames and ChatEdit up |
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| 22:02.34 | KarlKFI | the external repo functionality is not very well tested and completely undocumented |
| 22:02.57 | durcyn | guess i'll continue letting age-old version of my addons languish on wowi |
| 22:03.13 | durcyn | i don't want an external repo, i'm talking about adding it as a new remote and pushing to it |
| 22:03.26 | KarlKFI | on git? |
| 22:03.35 | durcyn | then having the packager do something smart with .pkgmeta or the wowi equivalent thereof |
| 22:03.41 | KarlKFI | that's what jnwhiteh does i believe |
| 22:03.53 | durcyn | yes, but he hard embeds all of his libraries because he's obstinate |
| 22:04.10 | KarlKFI | well that way they work on both platforms |
| 22:04.23 | KarlKFI | if you use .pkgmeta then it wont work on wowi |
| 22:04.29 | durcyn | that is my lament, yes. |
| 22:04.38 | durcyn | i figure by kvetching about it, someone might be arsed to care |
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| 22:05.10 | KarlKFI | dobly is the one responsible for the wowi impl and afaik he's doing very part time work on it due to low funds |
| 22:05.14 | durcyn | thusly: if anyone responsible for the wowi packager is reading this, please consider adding support for pulling in externals via whatever method is convenient |
| 22:05.42 | tem|work | I think I could get used to this: http://i.imgur.com/QXvps.jpg |
| 22:06.00 | KarlKFI | a/dobly/dolby |
| 22:06.16 | KarlKFI | 30" tem? |
| 22:06.22 | tem|work | indeed |
| 22:06.27 | KarlKFI | <3 mine |
| 22:06.37 | tem|work | I'm considering buying one for home |
| 22:06.41 | tem|work | but they're 900 dollars |
| 22:06.43 | tem|work | so like |
| 22:06.58 | tem|work | I would not be allowed to buy anything until like june |
| 22:07.02 | KarlKFI | Dell just released a great new one, but it's more like $1300 |
| 22:07.15 | tem|work | oh yeah, I'm looking at a refurb one |
| 22:07.51 | KarlKFI | mine was something ridiculous like $1600 new after edu discount |
| 22:08.02 | KarlKFI | back before apple stopped sellign them |
| 22:08.38 | tem|work | oh the cinema displays |
| 22:08.40 | KarlKFI | 6 months later i wished i had bought the dell or hp version purely for HDCP |
| 22:08.41 | tem|work | those were so sexy |
| 22:09.20 | KarlKFI | but now i have a new video card which magicly says my monitor supports HDCP |
| 22:09.32 | KarlKFI | it's either lying or it's secretly stripping it |
| 22:09.37 | tem|work | haha |
| 22:11.06 | KarlKFI | havent actually tested it yet tho... |
| 22:11.15 | KarlKFI | since i dont have a bluray drive |
| 22:11.25 | KarlKFI | i could try apple HD content |
| 22:11.34 | KarlKFI | i think i accidently bought some a while back |
| 22:13.33 | tem|work | hah |
| 22:13.59 | KarlKFI | think i bought a season of eureka HD instead of SD |
| 22:14.23 | Dagmar | Is that a bad thing? |
| 22:14.42 | KarlKFI | the SD is cheeper and the HD requires HDCP |
| 22:15.14 | Dagmar | Yeah, see, this is one of the reasons why I say "FUCK YOUR DRM" when I am faced with a vendor like that. |
| 22:15.53 | KarlKFI | right and i was pissed when i discovered my $1600 monitor wouldnt play HD from HDCP sources |
| 22:15.58 | Dagmar | I'm sure there's software solutions to make things pretend your display supports HDCP. |
| 22:16.11 | KarlKFI | not any legal ones |
| 22:16.21 | Dagmar | Fuck "legal" |
| 22:16.24 | Dagmar | Worry about "ethical" |
| 22:16.37 | KarlKFI | i'm more worried about 'usable' |
| 22:17.04 | Dagmar | If you're not stealing, the only thing you're doing by defeating HDCP is screwing with someone's ability to engage in illegal monopoly practices which are harmful to you the consumer as well as the industry as a whole. |
| 22:17.07 | KarlKFI | if this graphics card strips it that would be magical. i was lookign for hardware strippers and there just aren't any |
| 22:17.14 | Dagmar | Oh yes there are. |
| 22:17.16 | Dagmar | HD Fury. |
| 22:17.20 | Dagmar | Kills HDCP dead. |
| 22:17.33 | KarlKFI | the only ones i found converted to analog and back to digital |
| 22:17.37 | KarlKFI | with is FAIL |
| 22:17.48 | Dagmar | That's not the way the HD fury works |
| 22:18.16 | KarlKFI | does it work with DVI-D? because afaik there aren't any dual stream strippers |
| 22:18.23 | Dagmar | It just flat out pretends to be an HDCP-compliant display, and then relays the signals on to your non-HDCP display |
| 22:18.52 | Dagmar | Dunno. There might be by now since the HDCP part doesn't change http://www.hdfury.com/ |
| 22:19.02 | Dagmar | Oh yes, the HD Fury III |
| 22:19.02 | Arrowmaster | last i check the HD-Fury converted to analog |
| 22:19.09 | KarlKFI | "output up to 1080p" = fail |
| 22:19.20 | Arrowmaster | but since HDCP was recently broken they might do digital to digital now |
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| 22:19.57 | Dagmar | You can carp about fail all you like, but if you're having significant signal loss in your living room, you have _electrical problems_ |
| 22:20.10 | KarlKFI | no |
| 22:20.22 | KarlKFI | digital to electrical to digital is NOT HD |
| 22:20.31 | Dagmar | Hah. |
| 22:20.34 | Dagmar | Define "HD". |
| 22:20.44 | Arrowmaster | impossible |
| 22:20.51 | KarlKFI | when you convert to analog you are losing pxels |
| 22:21.07 | KarlKFI | you are blurring the whole screen |
| 22:21.11 | Dagmar | Losing *pixels*? Who sold you that madness? |
| 22:22.12 | KarlKFI | digital to analog is fine. analog to digital is fine. but if you go *back* you are losing information |
| 22:22.35 | Dagmar | Yes you are. |
| 22:22.40 | Dagmar | Absolutely miniscule amounts of it. |
| 22:23.02 | Dagmar | Like, to the degree that you could do this a dozen times and not be likely to notice it... assuming you don't have really crap cables. |
| 22:23.16 | KarlKFI | which may not matter on your 1080p screen.... but on a 2560x1600 upscaled image? |
| 22:23.19 | Dagmar | You don't lose whole pixels unless you are rescaling |
| 22:23.49 | Dagmar | You actually use the word "upscaled" in that argument? |
| 22:23.59 | Dagmar | You realize they come up with those extra pixels out of thin air, right? |
| 22:24.23 | Dagmar | Even that isn't going to be appreciably affected by one D-A-D pass |
| 22:24.35 | KarlKFI | yes. and you know what happens you you feel made up date through analog and back to digital? |
| 22:24.43 | KarlKFI | it turns to blurry |
| 22:25.06 | Dagmar | Damn I wish I could rmemeber the name of the other device |
| 22:25.15 | Dagmar | They *used* to make one that was HDMI on both ends |
| 22:25.35 | Dagmar | Karl: I have nearly $1,000 of gear in my den that basically does nothing but that man |
| 22:25.39 | Dagmar | I'm familiar. |
| 22:25.43 | KarlKFI | why does that matter. hdmi wont even drive that many pixels |
| 22:25.44 | Dagmar | The signal loss ain' much |
| 22:25.56 | KarlKFI | 1.3 or whatever the newest might |
| 22:26.01 | Dagmar | Hope. |
| 22:26.08 | Dagmar | er Nope. Not that I'm aware of. |
| 22:26.28 | Dagmar | Very damn little is yet capable of 1.3, irritatingly enough |
| 22:26.30 | KarlKFI | there you go. i'm nto gonna be manually connecting a hardware solution just to watch movies |
| 22:26.35 | Dagmar | It was "one stereo Sony makes" for like a year |
| 22:26.49 | KarlKFI | it has to be able to handle my normal computer use too at full res |
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| 22:27.25 | Dagmar | I'll tap a friend of mine who definitely *is* a pirate and see if he remembers who the hell made the thing |
| 22:27.44 | Dagmar | The HD Fury people *used* to sell one, but it looks like they've had to adopt a more formal veneer of looking legit |
| 22:27.55 | Dagmar | HDCP is literally just a handshake. |
| 22:28.14 | Dagmar | Once the check is done, everything else that happens over the cable is "normal" HDMI stuff. |
| 22:28.31 | KarlKFI | HD Fury 1 goes from DVI-D to VGA as far as i can tell |
| 22:28.49 | Lunessa | See... this is what I miss for not owning a TV. |
| 22:28.51 | KarlKFI | so it couldnt possibly drive my 30" |
| 22:29.05 | Dagmar | KalKFI: HD Fury III. Same site. |
| 22:29.22 | KarlKFI | requires hdmi input |
| 22:29.29 | KarlKFI | which my old video card didn't have |
| 22:29.36 | Dagmar | Either way, if you have a super-fancy 30" TV it damn well better support HDCP so you don't have a problem |
| 22:29.47 | KarlKFI | and outputs to VGA or component, neither of which my 30" has |
| 22:30.02 | Dagmar | I have a reasonably cheap 42" TV, but I've very carefully avoided getting anything that uses HDCP I couldn't break |
| 22:30.19 | Dagmar | ...and it supports HDCP. |
| 22:30.21 | KarlKFI | this is my point.... i was pissed when i found out my monitor didn't support HDCP |
| 22:30.35 | KarlKFI | and there was no possible solution at the time to make it do so |
| 22:30.49 | Dagmar | Well, if it's like a lot of them, it probably didn't make a damn bit of ssense for them to include that |
| 22:31.05 | KarlKFI | when they made it, it didn't |
| 22:31.09 | Dagmar | Before 1.3 was supported by more than just one Sony stereo, there just wasn't any point. |
| 22:31.26 | Dagmar | HDMI itself would have meant they'd be stuck with 1080 and no higher |
| 22:31.37 | Dagmar | ...and upsampling always screws up display latency |
| 22:31.51 | Dagmar | A TV like that used for playing video games, you _notice_ the latency. |
| 22:32.07 | Dagmar | Pretty funny to flip that on for someone used to not sucking at Guitar Hero tho. Heheh |
| 22:32.16 | KarlKFI | dell and hp monitors both have a lot more onboard circuitry to handle all the crap that comes in from their other connector types |
| 22:32.38 | KarlKFI | which is why they support component and hdmi |
| 22:32.41 | Dagmar | Someone should beat them for DMS59 or whatever it's called |
| 22:33.06 | Dagmar | Component is win |
| 22:33.24 | Dagmar | Honestly I don't care that it involves more wires. They're always bundled together. |
| 22:33.31 | Dagmar | It just makes everything so much simpler. |
| 22:33.43 | KarlKFI | i'm pretty sure my old apple 30" is STILL thinner than the 30" that dell and hp now ship liek 6 years later |
| 22:34.14 | KarlKFI | because they include the power converter and extra input types inside the case |
| 22:34.15 | Dagmar | They're a little nuts for demanding HDCP on everything since it's not like Joe Average is going to shell out for what it takes to actually record things like 1080 video |
| 22:34.51 | Dagmar | I've yet to see a solution to that problem that retails for significantly less than $250 |
| 22:35.07 | KarlKFI | what problem |
| 22:35.16 | Dagmar | Actually _recording_ a 1080 signal. |
| 22:35.24 | Arrowmaster | and like i said earlier, the HCDP master key is already known so the real pirates can make their own digital to digital hardware that removes it |
| 22:35.46 | KarlKFI | i know but i havent seen any hacked drivers or software that lets you make use of this hack |
| 22:35.46 | Dagmar | They've demanded HDCP to prevent "rampant piracy" but frankly, the actual pirates know how to bypass HDCP just fine. |
| 22:35.55 | Dagmar | Oh I have |
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| 22:36.33 | Dagmar | Trying to intercept video at the output stage is somewhat insane anyway |
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| 22:36.47 | Dagmar | If you want to clone a Blu-ray disc, just reading the disc is far easier |
| 22:37.27 | Dagmar | Stealing PPV? Hacked decipher libs are out there if you look hard enough. |
| 22:37.56 | Dagmar | Cable and small dish satellite are even easier |
| 22:39.55 | Dagmar | i've done about 3/4 of the research towards "stealing cable", not because I have any interest in stealing cable, but because I expect Comcast to deploy more onerous things to try to force me to buy their DVR "service" |
| 22:40.12 | Dagmar | As it stands they're already doing a few "fuck you guys" things on a semi-regular basis. |
| 22:40.27 | Dagmar | When the cable box updates itself, for instance, once it's done it *doesn't* turn itself back on. |
| 22:40.35 | Dagmar | ...and it'll ignore me trying to do it through firewire. |
| 22:40.49 | Dagmar | That's pretty effing lame. |
| 22:41.23 | Dagmar | ...and if they start doing that any more often than they do, they'l lbe making it worth my while to go buy a different card and just stat deciphering QAM so I can actually watch what I'm paying them for |
| 22:43.00 | alestane | Ultimately, the greatest flaw in "copy protection"...it invariably inconveniences legitimate users far more than pirates. |
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| 22:48.54 | KarlKFI | So apparently my Gigabyte GeForce GTX460 does in fact strip HDCP |
| 22:49.28 | KarlKFI | either that or something weird is going on |
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| 22:49.52 | KarlKFI | cause it seems to be workign on my 8800 as well |
| 22:49.56 | KarlKFI | i'm confused |
| 22:50.10 | Arrowmaster | what makes you think that? |
| 22:50.12 | alestane | Me too, but for different reasons. |
| 22:50.24 | Arrowmaster | HDCP is only activated in certain circumstances |
| 22:50.40 | KarlKFI | hmmm |
| 22:50.47 | Arrowmaster | unless a PS3 is involved, then its activated at all times because sony are bitches |
| 22:51.09 | KarlKFI | well i was under the impression that apple's HD content also used HDCP |
| 22:51.25 | KarlKFI | which could of course be incorrect |
| 22:51.30 | KarlKFI | or onyl true for movies |
| 22:52.00 | Arrowmaster | no clue for apples HD content |
| 22:52.25 | Arrowmaster | but trying to play a bluray on a computer should always try to activate HDCP |
| 22:52.31 | KarlKFI | then again i'm also ont he windows side on a mac, so any number of things could be happening |
| 22:52.43 | KarlKFI | need a bluray drive to try that |
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| 22:55.41 | KarlKFI | "An HDCP connection is required in order to view movies (purchased or rented) and TV shows transmitted over HDMI." |
| 22:56.02 | KarlKFI | sounds like my tv show in HD isn't actually using HDCP |
| 22:57.26 | KarlKFI | spose i could rent a movie to find out.... cheeper than buying a bluray drive and having it not work |
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| 23:00.37 | KarlKFI | hmmm does the iPhone 4 also support HDCP? |
| 23:00.47 | KarlKFI | or does it use some other drm? |
| 23:01.20 | KarlKFI | apple says "HD videos feature a higher-quality picture, but are designed to be played only on your iPhone 4, iPod touch (4th generation), iPad, computer, or Apple TV." |
| 23:01.44 | KarlKFI | and then " you will need to have components that support HDCP (High-bandwidth Digital Content Protection) installed on your computer. " |
| 23:03.47 | KarlKFI | then again it also says "If your computer does not meet all of the above requirements, you will be unable to purchase, rent, or view HD content from the iTunes Store." which seems to be incorrect |
| 23:04.09 | KarlKFI | i dont think it actually tests your system before allowign you to buy it |
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| 23:08.35 | Dagmar | afaik it doesn't |
| 23:09.17 | Dagmar | WRT to the iPhone thing, they've encoded them to the codecs Apple likes, and iTunes is basically it's own DRM system. |
| 23:10.31 | Dagmar | I was astonished at the crap I had to do just to put a custom ringtone on my Gf's iPhone |
| 23:10.41 | KarlKFI | ya it's annoying |
| 23:11.19 | KarlKFI | but i know the iPhone HAS some sort of DRM, that's been cited as the reason why iOS has Netflix and Android doesn't |
| 23:11.45 | KarlKFI | might even be hardware drm |
| 23:12.20 | Dagmar | It's something they encoded into the mp4 container, but at the moment I can't remember specifically what |
| 23:13.13 | Dagmar | Functionally it's not a whole lot different from WMA |
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| 23:15.28 | KarlKFI | lol http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1945481 |
| 23:19.06 | Dagmar | You know, oddly, even though this IS A COLLEGE (okay, well, "University") that domain is blocked here. |
| 23:19.16 | Dagmar | I don't quite get that one. Heh |
| 23:19.39 | jnwhiteh | Kaelten: that event has not existed for a LONG time |
| 23:19.42 | jnwhiteh | LONG time |
| 23:20.08 | jnwhiteh | like Feb 2008 at least |
| 23:22.27 | Lunessa | Ok, I'm out. 3-day weekend. Party on, dudes! |
| 23:23.20 | KarlKFI | is it? |
| 23:23.26 | KarlKFI | thought that was next week |
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| 23:26.10 | Dagmar | KarlKFI: *psst* Monday is next week. |
| 23:26.32 | KarlKFI | you know what i meant |
| 23:27.17 | Dagmar | Teehee |
| 23:27.47 | Dagmar | Metro schools had to take so many snow days this year they're actually making the kids come in on MLK day |
| 23:27.58 | Dagmar | ...which some people are complaining about, but not very loudly. |
| 23:31.01 | airtonix | pitchforks and flaming sticks |
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| 23:33.06 | Dagmar | I don't think even Al Sharpton could pull off that argument without feeling silly |
| 23:33.49 | airtonix | crucifies a government official |
| 23:34.54 | jnwhiteh | Calling US/EU PTR people, please help me with this: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1549435544#1 |
| 23:35.40 | Dagmar | I hope they *do* fix it because I would like mah traps to work right again |
| 23:35.55 | airtonix | unfortunately 1) i'm feeling particularly militant at the moment, 2) i'm not a ptr player. |
| 23:36.44 | airtonix | but perhaps if i was even a wow player, i wouldn't feel at all militant |
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| 23:57.07 | jnwhiteh | Anyone read this series: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B001R4CJDE |
