| 00:00.50 | Adys | Yes, but now that just looks silly |
| 00:03.50 | Cide | don't be stupid |
| 00:04.03 | Cide | commenting on a single = for equality is just stupid |
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| 00:04.25 | Cide | it was perfectly clear from the context anyway, since you can't assign zero to an rvalue |
| 00:05.27 | Shirik | Ow |
| 00:05.36 | Shirik | Coach one-way ticket to Portland: $500 |
| 00:05.37 | Shirik | wtf |
| 00:05.44 | Shirik | good thing I'm not paying for it |
| 00:06.04 | durcyn | more embezzling |
| 00:06.28 | Dagmar | Is that a Y fare? |
| 00:07.04 | Shirik | I dunno |
| 00:07.58 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: from where? |
| 00:08.02 | Arrowmaster | that is expensive |
| 00:08.05 | Shirik | Dulles |
| 00:08.19 | mckenziemc | and it was perfectly clear that i knew my original statement equaled zero. dunno what you're getting upset over :p |
| 00:08.27 | durcyn | tell them you're going to a funeral, they'll discount the fare |
| 00:08.35 | Shirik | why would I want a discount :P |
| 00:08.50 | Dagmar | durcyn: They also may expect someone to die. |
| 00:08.56 | Dagmar | er ... BE dead. |
| 00:09.15 | durcyn | i'm sure you can find someone to kill in portland. i'll buy Fisker a ticket if that'll help. |
| 00:09.24 | Dagmar | That's the spirit |
| 00:09.41 | Dagmar | There's also the homeless to look to |
| 00:10.08 | Dagmar | Not to kill, but because it's very hard to verify that they're not acutally still alive |
| 00:10.37 | Dagmar | Get name, make up life story, call obit reporter, wait for "proof" |
| 00:10.45 | Cidan | when do you leave, shirik? |
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| 00:11.07 | mckenziemc | Shirik: from where |
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| 00:11.37 | Cide | 01:08 < Arrowmaster> Shirik: from where? |
| 00:11.37 | Cide | 01:08 < Arrowmaster> that is expensive |
| 00:11.37 | Cide | 01:08 <@Shirik> Dulles |
| 00:11.54 | Cidan | 19:11 <+Cide> 01:08 < Arrowmaster> Shirik: from where? |
| 00:11.54 | Cidan | 19:11 <+Cide> 01:08 < Arrowmaster> that is expensive |
| 00:11.54 | Cidan | 19:11 <+Cide> 01:08 <@Shirik> Dulles |
| 00:12.02 | Dagmar | IAD to PDX? |
| 00:12.10 | Dagmar | $500's actually not bad for that |
| 00:12.16 | foxlit | [01:11] Cidan: 19:11 <+Cide> 01:08 < Arrowmaster> Shirik: from where? |
| 00:12.17 | foxlit | [01:11] Cidan: 19:11 <+Cide> 01:08 < Arrowmaster> that is expensive |
| 00:12.17 | foxlit | [01:11] Cidan: 19:11 <+Cide> 01:08 <@Shirik> Dulles |
| 00:12.18 | Dagmar | That's many miles right there |
| 00:12.19 | mckenziemc | woops |
| 00:12.29 | foxlit | I thought we were comparing timestamps :/ |
| 00:12.38 | mckenziemc | lol |
| 00:12.43 | Cidan | lol |
| 00:13.55 | foxlit | Hm, curse is out of .co.uk giftcards |
| 00:14.36 | Torhal | Seerah: This is way late but no, there is no other method than tooltip-scanning. |
| 00:18.24 | Kraps | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/150450/why-alliance-suck |
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| 00:25.32 | Shirik | Dagmar: One way? |
| 00:25.36 | Shirik | I think that's pretty expensive |
| 00:25.58 | Shirik | Cidan: 16th |
| 00:26.57 | syrae | Kraps: Wow. I love people who pwn themselves through incompetence. |
| 00:27.26 | Cide | Shirik: have you noticed Holy Word: Serenity is not locked out when holy is? |
| 00:27.50 | Shirik | what? |
| 00:27.59 | Cide | I keep getting interrupted but not HW: Serenity |
| 00:28.11 | Shirik | oh really |
| 00:28.15 | Shirik | no I didn't |
| 00:28.17 | Cide | seems like an oversight |
| 00:31.03 | Adys | http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2011/01/google-transcoders-zooming-feature.html |
| 00:32.32 | Adys | that's interesting |
| 00:32.44 | Adys | GTC opens google.com from nigeria. |
| 00:33.40 | Kraps | Shirik: you know whats awesome? |
| 00:33.48 | Kraps | disc priests |
| 00:34.05 | mckenziemc | hehe |
| 00:34.35 | Adys | http://googlecode.blogspot.com/2011/01/google-url-shortener-gets-api.html |
| 00:35.20 | Shirik | Kraps, you know what's awesome? |
| 00:35.34 | Shirik | I have a spell that doesn't get locked out with holy |
| 00:35.36 | Shirik | AND YOU DON'T |
| 00:36.14 | mckenziemc | does it actually work or is it just a ui issue |
| 00:36.30 | Cide | it works |
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| 00:37.10 | temp123 | should i be able to play cata with an nvidia 7300 le and 1gb of ram? |
| 00:37.39 | temp123 | on linux |
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| 00:39.28 | mckenziemc | don't think you're gonna get anywhere near a playable framerate |
| 00:39.54 | temp123 | mckenziemcit worked fine with wotlk, well fine in general |
| 00:40.07 | temp123 | dala with all the people was about 10fps but i wouldn't have to spend much time there so it was fine |
| 00:40.14 | mckenziemc | hmm |
| 00:40.20 | mckenziemc | what fps did you normally get |
| 00:40.22 | temp123 | tried with cata about a month or so ago, and my main is in dala, i couldn't move him |
| 00:40.30 | temp123 | 30/40/50 i think |
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| 00:41.55 | Dagmar | I think your retrospectacles have been painted pink |
| 00:41.58 | mckenziemc | maybe i had something set up wrong. i tried it with a 9800 GT recently and couldn't get good enough fps to justify the switch :/ |
| 00:42.17 | mckenziemc | lol dagmar |
| 00:42.47 | mckenziemc | switch from windows 7* |
| 00:42.58 | Torhal | mckenziemc: WoW is very CPU-bound. I actually switched to a dual-core CPU from a quad for the extra MHz to get decent framerates. |
| 00:43.02 | Dagmar | I mean, a 7300 "lame edtion" is just a 7xxx-series card with enough power to put porn on your screen |
| 00:43.21 | Dagmar | It was not meant to be used with games more complex than say, Spider Solitaire, and it might have issues with that |
| 00:45.35 | ccox | try turning off the new water texturing - there are still some bugs in their shaders that cause low FPS (even with no water nearby) |
| 00:47.39 | temp123 | ccox: ty |
| 00:48.00 | temp123 | Dagmar: i'd like to upgrade if i can get a card that will fit into a mobo in the future |
| 00:48.04 | ccox | I know those were causing me to get 1/3 the fps I used to get |
| 00:48.09 | temp123 | can't afford to do card, mobo, memory, processor upgrade right now |
| 00:48.35 | temp123 | ccox: is it in the general options? i have it currently uninstalled, debating whether or not to purchase game time tomorrow for testing |
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| 00:48.48 | ccox | it's in the video advanced options |
| 00:48.51 | Kraps | http://io9.com/5729882/it-took-a-team-of-physicists-all-this-time-to-figure-out-how-dvds-work |
| 00:48.53 | temp123 | could go to an internet cafe that has wow just to get my main out of dala, but i can't avoid dala forever, right? |
| 00:51.05 | Arrowmaster | Kraps: that artile starts out with a blatant lie |
| 00:51.23 | Arrowmaster | "It's been well known for decades that if you train a laser onto a specially-crafted layer of metal alloys on an optical disk, you create a storage medium that can hold an enormous amount of data for decades - and possibly centuries." |
| 00:51.27 | Arrowmaster | LIE! |
| 00:51.40 | temp123 | :o |
| 00:52.58 | Dagmar | Not a lie, just not... provably true. |
| 00:53.09 | Arrowmaster | but provably false |
| 00:53.20 | Dagmar | Not really provably false either. |
| 00:53.45 | ccox | And don't most burnable DVDs work with dyes, not metal ? |
| 00:54.01 | foxlit | "provably true" << find a reference to it in some journal? |
| 00:54.07 | Dagmar | Saying to wait until "decades" have passed does not make it provably anything, at the present time |
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| 00:54.28 | Arrowmaster | the average DVDR will not even last 10 years |
| 00:54.39 | Dagmar | ccox: CDs, yes. I've never looked into WTF DVDs use |
| 00:54.39 | Arrowmaster | unless special care is taken to store it |
| 00:55.02 | ccox | (since I know a chemist who works on said dyes...) |
| 00:55.19 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: You mean like putting it into a plastic case and sticking it on the shelf and leaving it alone? |
| 00:55.42 | Dagmar | ccox: Well, CDs are definitely dyes |
| 00:55.53 | Arrowmaster | no i mean putting it in a temperature and humidity controlled safe with no light source |
| 00:56.05 | Dagmar | That's a bit overkill. |
| 00:56.29 | Jerub | crisis. |
| 00:56.36 | Jerub | i have 100gb of download quota left and 14 hours to use it in |
| 00:56.54 | Dagmar | Jerub: Time to download everything you own on Steam |
| 00:57.05 | Jerub | Dagmar: i already have portal and TF2. |
| 00:57.39 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: really its all luck and thats the best way to minimize it |
| 00:59.00 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Okay, on that we can agree. I just know for sure that while it might in theory require that to keep CDs safe from harm, the ones I've had for just about bloody ever now are still readable... and all I did was to stick them into jewel cases, put them on the shelf, and not um... experience sudden fires and/or floods |
| 00:59.30 | Jerub | poor quality discs will degrade after 10 years or so |
| 00:59.32 | Dagmar | I remastered most of them about four years ago |
| 01:00.07 | Dagmar | Sorry, I guess that's six year ago now |
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| 01:00.39 | Arrowmaster | right its all luck, i had about 4 DVDRWs all stuffed into a single paper sleeve that a friend burned for me, i went to copy all the data to harddrive about 2 years later and 3 of them worked and 1 did not, and the 1 that did not was on the inside of the stack |
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| 01:01.00 | Dagmar | wow |
| 01:01.08 | Dagmar | That's luck algith |
| 01:01.27 | Dagmar | I don't expect "a smooshed-up stack of" anything to work after even a week |
| 01:02.17 | Arrowmaster | my policy on burnt optical media is that after 1 year its pure luck if they will work or not so never depend on them to work |
| 01:03.01 | Dagmar | My policy would be to use vinyl, but the density is kinda shit |
| 01:03.47 | Niya | I had this idea for an addon, but wondered if it's actually do-able. The idea is to go to the AH and say, "I want 40 copper ore" (somehow) and the addon finds the cheapest way to satisfy the order -- is that doable? Would it be creating a list of all the auctions with buttons so the player can click "buy" on each one? (Does the already exist?) |
| 01:05.02 | Arrowmaster | Niya: doesnt sound like it hits any of the "nope not possible ever" points |
| 01:05.11 | Niya | Yay! |
| 01:05.27 | Dagmar | Auctioneer mostly already does that |
| 01:05.58 | Niya | Auctioneer and I don't get along very well =( |
| 01:06.08 | Arrowmaster | just search for the item and sort by lowest individual price |
| 01:06.12 | Shirik | You could tell us why you don't get along with auctioneer and we might be able to fix it |
| 01:06.15 | Arrowmaster | thats what i used to do |
| 01:06.33 | Dagmar | It's sure a lot easier to figure out which part of Auctioneer to look at rather than write an entire addon |
| 01:06.44 | Niya | I see. That's a good idea. |
| 01:07.28 | Shirik | Especially because it's not something that addons can do directly |
| 01:07.42 | Shirik | The addon would have to be able to create a snapshot of the AH and then search it |
| 01:07.48 | Niya | Mostly it's with selling things... I tend to do gathering, and sell lots of (say) ore. I want to undercut the people selling stacks of ore, but not worry about those who are selling 1 ore for what it vendors for |
| 01:08.13 | Niya | Ah... Yeah, I wasn't sure how much access the UI had |
| 01:08.52 | Dagmar | Yeah I wouldn't really worry about the terminally unhinged people either |
| 01:09.20 | Dagmar | If they were listing it for vendor price, they were probably pretty high at the time |
| 01:09.36 | Niya | (Other than that, it's just large - I should just enable it when I want to use it, rather than have the suite up all the time -- my computer is less than ideal) |
| 01:09.41 | Dagmar | they should have just sold it all to the vendor, because then they _wouldln't pay a deposit fee_ |
| 01:09.55 | Niya | Yeah >_> |
| 01:11.04 | Niya | Do you guys mind if I hang around and idle? I've been out of addon dev world since before 2.0 x.x |
| 01:12.06 | Dagmar | Are you out of your mind? This is IRC? Idling in IRC is how people get their kidneys sold on the black market! |
| 01:12.17 | Niya | =p |
| 01:12.37 | Dagmar | Crimnals will know you're not at your computer and will be able to get right into your house and take your kidneys! |
| 01:12.48 | syrae | Niya: idling is encouraged. We need to boost our users number up so we can try to take over other channels |
| 01:12.59 | Dagmar | heheh |
| 01:13.13 | Niya | Awesome. I'm all for the promotion of anarchy ;) |
| 01:13.34 | syrae | no no no... this isn't an Anarchy Online channel |
| 01:13.48 | syrae | yeesh |
| 01:13.50 | Kraps | http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=pirates+vs+ninjas |
| 01:14.11 | syrae | Kraps: nice |
| 01:14.53 | KarlKFI | is there a data addon that when hovering over an item would tell me what profession it's used by and to make what? I seem to remember there was an old database in Sea and Cosmos, but i dont remember what addon used it or if there's a newer one |
| 01:15.11 | Dagmar | That engine has *so* much to learn still |
| 01:15.15 | Dagmar | http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=girls+vs+boys |
| 01:15.57 | Kraps | lol Dagmar |
| 01:16.29 | Dagmar | "girls and boys are not compatible units" <--- maybe if you live on Castro St. |
| 01:17.38 | Kraps | so its true http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=rhymes+with+orange |
| 01:21.08 | Cide | http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=rhymes+with+craps |
| 01:22.12 | Kraps | rhymes with fisker doesnt ever work |
| 01:22.16 | Kraps | even* |
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| 01:24.42 | Kraps | http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=meme gg using encyclopedia dramatica as a source |
| 01:26.03 | Shirik | fail so hard |
| 01:26.03 | Shirik | wow |
| 01:26.37 | Cide | that is amazing |
| 01:29.18 | mckenziemc | whisker? |
| 01:31.43 | Dagmar | I'm going to hope that their "according to" only applies to the last half of hte sentence |
| 01:35.16 | Cide | I'm pretty sure it's a quote |
| 01:38.44 | cog|away | they should patch in some new FPs in outland... |
| 01:39.48 | Thrae | Is it just me, or does Netflix's option to "Add To Instant Queue" sound oxymoronic? |
| 01:40.04 | cogwheel | on the face of it, yeah |
| 01:40.40 | Thrae | I love this version of Netflix. Makes me a more honest man. |
| 01:41.16 | cogwheel | heh |
| 01:47.22 | Dagmar | Thrae: It has a category specifically titled "Movies I want to show in my profile so that people think I'm deep"? |
| 01:48.03 | Jerub | don't have netflix in .au |
| 01:48.09 | Jerub | but my crisis is over. |
| 01:48.11 | Jerub | well, mostly. |
| 01:48.31 | Jerub | i can only get 6mbit, and i've only got 12 hours left, meaning i can only download 25ish gb |
| 01:48.43 | Jerub | but that's already all queued up |
| 01:48.51 | Thrae | Dagmar: It does? Most of the categories so far I've found are stupid. |
| 01:49.28 | Kraps | $5 dlc for beat hazard is coming in the spring |
| 01:49.36 | Dagmar | Jerub: File a lawsuit against your ISP, claiming they're ripping you off by not allowing you to "bank" the gigglebytes you didn't use |
| 01:49.45 | Thrae | Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2003 is a darker version of TMNT and shouldn't be "for ages 5-7" as well as recommending Clifford The Big Red Dog. Of course I watch it for the nostalgia of back to the 80s version. |
| 01:50.18 | Dagmar | Is that a _category_? |
| 01:50.23 | Dagmar | Seems a bit verbose. |
| 01:50.31 | Jerub | http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=dogs+vs+cats |
| 01:50.53 | Thrae | Jerub: I remember when Blizzard talked about why there's no Oceanic versions actually out in the Oceanic regions, like Australia. "Too damn expensive." |
| 01:51.01 | Thrae | s/versions/servers/ |
| 01:51.17 | Jerub | it's true |
| 01:51.27 | Wobin | sad but true |
| 01:51.43 | Jerub | we've finally reached the threshold of consumer internet providing more than the average consumer could want. |
| 01:51.54 | Jerub | that was in the last year. |
| 01:51.59 | Cide | dogs are superior given their greater eardrum surface area |
| 01:51.59 | Wobin | cogwheel: did you see the youtube vid of that guy who changed the sound effects in minecraft? |
| 01:52.00 | Dagmar | It's bad enough that the have to buy rack mount equipment and pay rack mount prices, but the power inverters necessary to make them compatible with australian electricity are just insane |
| 01:52.13 | Jerub | (there's no reason even a casual pirate like myself could use 150gb) |
| 01:52.18 | cogwheel | Wobin: no |
| 01:52.30 | Jerub | Dagmar: giggle. |
| 01:52.35 | Thrae | In terms of how much ISPs are ripping you off in both money and bandwidth, it sounds like it's around Australia > Canada > US > Western Europe > Eastern Europe |
| 01:52.58 | Jerub | >>>>> South Korea |
| 01:53.01 | Wobin | cogwheel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lsFN5DgoLc&feature=player_embedded |
| 01:53.04 | Dagmar | Jerub: You forget how many people there are who are essentially _drunk_ on the internet, and trying to basically pirate everything, all at once. |
| 01:53.16 | Dagmar | Nevermind that they could not possibly watch it all |
| 01:53.50 | Jerub | Dagmar: that's true. |
| 01:53.53 | Dagmar | I havce to say I was astonished when Comcast announced that their official monthly cap was going to be 250Gb |
| 01:53.55 | Jerub | i know two of those people |
| 01:54.07 | Thrae | I'll admit to downloading lots of Anime, fansubbed. |
| 01:54.27 | Dagmar | There's been a few people I've known to claim that was too low, but they fell into the "pirates everything they possibly can" variety |
| 01:54.36 | Jerub | there is one household i knew that was ripping through 200gb a month |
| 01:54.42 | Jerub | but that was 8 geeks under one roof |
| 01:54.42 | Arrowmaster | i just about always go over 250Gb a month |
| 01:55.08 | Arrowmaster | 100GB of that per month is just from uploading |
| 01:55.11 | Jerub | Dagmar: i have a friend who can account for >1tb of download a month |
| 01:55.12 | Dagmar | I usually just sum it up by pointing out that 250Gb turns into eight gigglebytes of porno per night, and if you need that much porno a night, every night, you probably need a hobby |
| 01:55.27 | Taroven | http://taroven.pastey.net/144711 - Woot. Finished. Again. |
| 01:55.31 | Dagmar | ...and something to unclench your hands from that terrible claw shape. |
| 01:55.33 | Wobin | Dagmar: they do have a hobby |
| 01:55.35 | Jerub | Dagmar: one friend of mine will watch nothing unless it's in 1080p |
| 01:55.36 | Thrae | Japan's economy would boom if we Anime lovers could buy the digital rights to what we're watching, but that would of course hurt the economies of other countries. |
| 01:55.38 | Wobin | watching porn =P |
| 01:55.52 | Jerub | Dagmar: which means even a 2 hour chick flick is 8gigglebytes |
| 01:56.02 | Corrodias2 | Thrae: it would also be fucking expensive |
| 01:56.17 | Corrodias2 | they want large sums of cash to view their shows |
| 01:56.21 | Jerub | i'm just glad my isp gives me a full binary newsgroup |
| 01:56.30 | Thrae | Corrodias2: Because of how good the Yen is? |
| 01:56.36 | Dagmar | heh |
| 01:56.38 | Arrowmaster | Thrae: that has sort of already happened, a few streaming sites are buying the rights but the problem is the sites are fucking horrible |
| 01:56.45 | Thrae | Everyone wants large sums of cash |
| 01:56.49 | Corrodias2 | i don't know, i'm speaking from a perspective of a good 8 years ago |
| 01:57.03 | Corrodias2 | i guess i don't know what it's like now. i don't watch things much any more. |
| 01:57.17 | Thrae | Arrowmaster: Sounds like other sites like Gametap, OnLive, etc. |
| 01:57.32 | Arrowmaster | Thrae: its mostly just crunchyroll |
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| 01:57.47 | Thrae | Poor crunchyroll |
| 01:57.57 | Arrowmaster | site is killing the fansub community |
| 01:57.57 | Mr_Rabies | what happened, Thrae? :O |
| 01:58.20 | Thrae | Then there's Hulu which just gives it away for free...if you have a fast US proxy |
| 01:58.39 | Dagmar | Thrae: They're kind of a mixed bag |
| 01:58.41 | Thrae | Free being advertisement supported |
| 01:58.54 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies: What happened where? |
| 01:58.54 | Jerub | we have something incredible call iview. |
| 01:58.58 | Arrowmaster | thought the anime on hulu was just english dub |
| 01:59.07 | Thrae | Arrowmaster: I meant in general |
| 01:59.07 | Mr_Rabies | nevermind, i thought something happened to CR |
| 01:59.12 | Mr_Rabies | i just read up |
| 01:59.19 | Jerub | anything aired on our government funded tv station is available on iview, which is an in browser, no ads, flash video player |
| 01:59.39 | Thrae | Jerub: Communists! :o |
| 01:59.50 | Dagmar | The BBC tried to do that, and then Microsoft reps got involved. |
| 01:59.54 | Jerub | Thrae: funny. rupert murdoch agrees with you |
| 02:00.04 | Jerub | Dagmar: our ABC has done a brilliant job. |
| 02:00.17 | Dagmar | Aboriginal Broadcasting Company? |
| 02:00.24 | Thrae | Why is it all the TV mogels seem like they're insane. Rupert Murdoch, Ted Turner... |
| 02:00.25 | Jerub | and my boss now has a python script he's put together to rip and transcode the videos for his iphone. i'm going to grab that later. |
| 02:00.32 | Mr_Rabies | hey guys, quick question, are there any maintained addons to help with finding netherwing crystals? gatherer's support for them is somewhat basic it seems |
| 02:00.38 | Mr_Rabies | er, eggs |
| 02:00.41 | Mr_Rabies | not crystals |
| 02:00.47 | Jerub | Dagmar: that's like calling NBC the Nigger Broadcasting Corp, it's incredibly racist. |
| 02:01.09 | Dagmar | Jerub: WTF man? I know it's not AMERICAN Broadcasting Company |
| 02:01.37 | Dagmar | I could give two craps about what any of you thinkn of the color of each other's skin |
| 02:02.28 | Corrodias2 | "American Broadcasting Company" |
| 02:02.30 | Dagmar | I was rather hoping there actually _was_ an Aboriginal Broadcasting Company actually |
| 02:02.41 | Jerub | Dagmar: i'm just drawing a parallel from what you said into terms you could understand. |
| 02:03.07 | Dagmar | Jerub: yeah but the weight of that word changes based on the speaker, and the freaking day of the week |
| 02:03.16 | Dagmar | I don't use it, but I'm not going to give a crap about it either |
| 02:03.23 | Corrodias2 | weak counterargument |
| 02:03.38 | Corrodias2 | that said, aboriginal is not a perjorative |
| 02:03.42 | Jerub | "I don't give a crap about the racist terminology i used because i don't understand it and i don't use the N word" |
| 02:04.04 | Dagmar | You _say_ it's racist, but Corrodias doesn't seem to think so |
| 02:04.20 | Dagmar | As far as I know it's a reasonably accurate term for an ethnic group |
| 02:04.21 | Corrodias2 | "Indigenous Australians are distinguished as either Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islanders, who currently together make up about 2.7% of Australia's population." |
| 02:04.32 | Corrodias2 | and "Australian Aborigines (pronounced /æbÉËrɪdÊɨni/, aka Aboriginal Australians) are those people regarded as indigenous to the Australian continent." |
| 02:04.47 | kd3 | ooh, fun. armory going 500: "500 Internal Server Error: The server is prone to explode, so use with caution. Error ID: RL1UE" |
| 02:04.49 | Thrae | Jerub: I'm not sure the N-Word translates into Aboriginal based on world view as the Australian Court uses it, but obviously it's a sore spot for you. |
| 02:04.50 | Dagmar | It's not like "Indians" which is not only wrong but confusing as well |
| 02:05.00 | Seerah | thank you anyway, Torhal :) |
| 02:06.01 | Thrae | Corrodias2: If you're looking at the Wikipedia article as I was, it also states even academia is trying to phase out the usage as being negative stereotyping. |
| 02:06.07 | Jerub | sorry, this is a weird cultural area. |
| 02:06.37 | Dagmar | The words have only the hate ya put into them. |
| 02:06.51 | Thrae | And You Might Be A Redneck If You're Thrae |
| 02:07.00 | Dagmar | hehe |
| 02:07.09 | Jerub | if it were a cultural station, it would have a much softer name because it would be sensitive to native australians. |
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| 02:07.18 | Jerub | Dagmar: you put a lot of hate in all your words. it makes things hard. |
| 02:07.38 | Dagmar | That's not hate, that's loving care. |
| 02:07.40 | Thrae | Anyway, I shall eschew this racially-charged banter and cloister myself away in "Johnny Mnemonic" |
| 02:07.49 | Dagmar | Now... when I'm saying words like "republican"... THEN it's hate. |
| 02:07.52 | Jerub | Thrae: the book or the movie? |
| 02:07.55 | Corrodias2 | the People's Republic of Native Indigenous Australians |
| 02:08.00 | Thrae | Jerub: Movie |
| 02:08.10 | Thrae | You interrupted my cloistering |
| 02:08.21 | Jerub | Thrae: i'm sorry. i love the movie. carry on. |
| 02:08.27 | Dagmar | Thrae: Did you _read the book_? |
| 02:08.42 | Jerub | s/book /short story/ |
| 02:08.52 | Thrae | I didn't know there was a book. I don't read a lot due to my addiction. |
| 02:08.57 | Dagmar | *facepalm* |
| 02:09.19 | Dagmar | Well... if you happen to get around to it, just remember that in all cases, the movie is dead wrong. |
| 02:09.20 | Thrae | If someone gives me even a semi-good book, I'll forget to work, eat, bathe, etc. until I finish it. |
| 02:09.58 | Thrae | Usually I just forget to bathe. Since I may be a redneck. Hee-haw! |
| 02:10.02 | Thrae | cloisters. |
| 02:10.09 | Dagmar | I try not to think about the movie much. |
| 02:10.27 | Dagmar | It's pretty much utterly missing a very core character from Gibson's stories. |
| 02:11.11 | Dagmar | Like, to the degree that you might as well be watching a version of Lord of the Rings that has no Bilbo Baggins |
| 02:11.14 | Thrae | Why does this scrolling text remind me of Shadowrun. |
| 02:12.51 | Thrae | Jonny Mnemonic Fun Fact -- only 10 years until we can wire our brains to the Internet. |
| 02:13.06 | Thrae | Sorry, "Movie Version" |
| 02:15.08 | Dagmar | Frankly, that movie is about as much Jonny Mnemonic as what was left of Flowers for Algernon after they made Lawnmower Man from it |
| 02:20.04 | Jerub | Thrae: it reminds you of shadowrun because shadowrun is based on william gibson's work |
| 02:20.38 | Jerub | Dagmar: whatever. it was a short story. short stories make the best movies :) |
| 02:20.56 | Dagmar | They left... out... Sally... Shears. |
| 02:21.17 | Xyphoid | i love the epilogue for johnny mnemonic in neuromancer |
| 02:21.41 | Dagmar | She's STILL making cameos in Gibson's books |
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| 02:37.52 | Adys | nevcairiel: ping |
| 02:43.20 | SqueeG_tired | Dagmar: they morphed sally, they couldn't get rights to use her in the movie |
| 02:43.23 | SqueeG_tired | apparently |
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| 03:09.22 | Kraps | lets play a game |
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| 03:14.29 | Kulgrom | Anyone have a good resource for actionbars? Feeling pretty nub after three days of book and forum reading. |
| 03:14.41 | Kraps | http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/comment/9/2011/01/07124ce77e8311c45ade602f3592cfd3/original.jpg |
| 03:20.27 | Kaelten | Kraps: epic |
| 03:23.35 | Jerub | this is an hours drive away: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYUpkPTcqPY |
| 03:25.06 | A-KO | Kraps: he got owned |
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| 03:58.51 | Kraps | so DCUO is almost out |
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| 04:15.03 | foxlit | "Well, tried to heal blackrock caverns lastnight, got about 10 minutes in and tank and 1 dps died twice. I am an awsome healer and have never had any issues keeping ppl alive. " |
| 04:15.47 | Thunder_Child | ~logs |
| 04:15.48 | purl | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. logs are updated daily, or the log URL is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23uphpu/ |
| 04:17.36 | foxlit | "How to Heal Heroics as a Mentally Deficient Restoration Druid" << I approve of this video title |
| 04:17.56 | Taroven | foxlit: If by awesome he means he knew how to spam <insert quick heal here> reel gud for hours on end in wotlk, sure. =P |
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| 04:18.52 | Taroven | Sigh... hate compiling wine... takes so loooong. |
| 04:20.45 | Xyphoid | failing at heroics has been so fun |
| 04:21.24 | Kraps | anyone here using firefox beta? |
| 04:21.30 | Taroven | Yup. |
| 04:21.47 | Kraps | is it crash-prone? |
| 04:21.51 | Taroven | Nope. |
| 04:22.00 | Kraps | pretty stable? |
| 04:22.16 | Taroven | It's been very stable for me. |
| 04:22.22 | Taroven | Haven't had a crash since beta 4. |
| 04:23.04 | Kraps | cool |
| 04:25.19 | foxlit | The amount of healer leather on faction vendors... and professions... is disappointing. |
| 04:25.23 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: but you also have to find out how much he uses it |
| 04:25.24 | foxlit | There's *1* item. |
| 04:25.27 | Taroven | Coming from one who made 3.5/6 crash more times than I care to admit... that's actually saying a lot. =P |
| 04:26.22 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: i'm assuming he uses it |
| 04:26.24 | Taroven | s/more times/more often/ |
| 04:26.39 | Taroven | it r late or something. |
| 04:27.12 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: but how much |
| 04:27.25 | bluspacecow | hmmm |
| 04:27.36 | DWSR | Taroven: What are you using that it takes so long, and define long? |
| 04:27.39 | bluspacecow | getting an odd message in console.app "com.apple.kextd[10]Can't create kext cache under / - owner not root." any thoughts on how to fix it ? |
| 04:28.04 | foxlit | fixpermissions on your disk. |
| 04:28.12 | DWSR | ^ |
| 04:28.19 | DWSR | Or run the process as root *evil grin* |
| 04:28.28 | Thunder_Child | i like how fix permissions is all one word |
| 04:28.32 | DWSR | sudo make me a sandwich. |
| 04:28.38 | bluspacecow | i did |
| 04:28.41 | bluspacecow | in safe mode |
| 04:29.07 | bluspacecow | imma google it |
| 04:29.37 | Taroven | DWSR: Compiling from xinput2-patched git source with nothing really out of the ordinary and nothing but firefox and a few term apps running. It's been something like 20 mins so far. |
| 04:29.44 | bluspacecow | sudo chown root:admin / |
| 04:30.02 | DWSR | Taroven: I meant sys specs. |
| 04:30.10 | DWSR | Taroven: And 20 minutes for something like Wine isn't too bad. |
| 04:30.19 | DWSR | You maxing out all your cores? |
| 04:31.12 | DWSR | bluspacecow: Why on earth would you chown your entire system? |
| 04:31.20 | Taroven | DWSR: Ah. Athlon X2 6000+ (3.0ghz), 6gb ram, Debian Squeeze/Sid (depending on how you ask). Cores are barely getting touched. -.- |
| 04:31.29 | bluspacecow | eh |
| 04:31.32 | bluspacecow | :_: |
| 04:31.34 | DWSR | X2's a quad, isn't it? |
| 04:31.37 | bluspacecow | i think i made it worse |
| 04:31.38 | bluspacecow | fail |
| 04:31.40 | Taroven | Naw, dual. |
| 04:31.41 | DWSR | yes, you did. |
| 04:31.42 | DWSR | You fail. |
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| 04:31.49 | DWSR | Taroven: You running -j2? |
| 04:31.54 | foxlit | Thread: "The Reason Healing is Boring" Premise: "HEALS DON'T HEAL FOR 75% HP ANYMORE?!!!!" |
| 04:31.55 | Kraps | addons dont work |
| 04:32.10 | Taroven | And of course I was looking at top completely wrong, both cores running between 60-100% |
| 04:32.59 | bluspacecow | ... |
| 04:33.33 | bluspacecow | doesn't appear to of change owner of everything ... could just be an oddity with OS x's chown command >_> |
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| 04:33.48 | bluspacecow | ah |
| 04:33.58 | Taroven | Just gonna keep telling myself that it's almost done. =P |
| 04:34.15 | bluspacecow | it doesn't go down the file hierarchie by default |
| 04:34.21 | DWSR | bluspacecow: Yes, clearly. |
| 04:34.24 | DWSR | You need -R |
| 04:34.24 | foxlit | There's an actual repair permissions button somewhere |
| 04:34.32 | bluspacecow | yes foxlit |
| 04:34.33 | bluspacecow | i know |
| 04:34.35 | bluspacecow | which i did |
| 04:34.37 | bluspacecow | in safe mode |
| 04:34.42 | Taroven | (and hope that the fucking crackling sound problems I was getting in the 1.3.10 canned install don't come back...) |
| 04:34.44 | bluspacecow | and still got the messages after reboot |
| 04:34.51 | CalQdeX | Anyone mind helping a noob understand this api for a few minutes? |
| 04:34.57 | DWSR | CalQdeX: Shoot. |
| 04:35.07 | bluspacecow | full code inna pastebin |
| 04:35.11 | Taroven | CalQdeX: Fire away. |
| 04:35.13 | bluspacecow | pastebin.com :) |
| 04:35.28 | bluspacecow | but please don't fire my way *hides behind desk* |
| 04:35.33 | CalQdeX | API_LoggingChat |
| 04:35.42 | Taroven | aims something at bluspacecow |
| 04:36.14 | bluspacecow | *starts run while squelling girlishly |
| 04:36.26 | bluspacecow | so what was your query about that call Cal ? |
| 04:36.28 | Taroven | CalQdeX: What about it? |
| 04:36.31 | DWSR | There was so much fail in that statement, bluspacecow |
| 04:36.48 | CalQdeX | I would like to be able to change the way it logs chat. Have party chat in a seperate file. I've only been through a couple of programming classes, not sure how to start |
| 04:38.03 | Taroven | You've got a choice between using a script to separate chat types, or logging to savedvariables (which may be more or less complicated depending on experience). |
| 04:40.45 | Taroven | LoggingChat() on its own just checks if chat is logging - ie, if it returns 1, you're logging, if not, you're not. Firing LoggingChat(1) will enable chat logging for the session if it's not already. There's no api-supported method of splitting/grouping log files. |
| 04:41.26 | Taroven | (feel free to flame me if I'm wrong there, it's been a while since I mucked with that) |
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| 04:41.51 | DJJeff | why do you people think its acceptable todo 4k dps in a heroic |
| 04:41.55 | CalQdeX | I don't know. I've started reading some lua documents. I guess I'm asking what I should be doing/reading to understand how to do this |
| 04:41.55 | DJJeff | lmfao! |
| 04:42.23 | Thunder_Child | ~pil |
| 04:42.23 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 04:42.38 | CalQdeX | That's what I've been reading already |
| 04:42.41 | Thunder_Child | ~wowprograming |
| 04:42.44 | Thunder_Child | ~wowprogramming |
| 04:42.45 | purl | well, wowprogramming is World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons - http://is.gd/7A3Jx - a book written by Cladhaire (jnwhiteh) and Gazmik, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 04:42.47 | Thunder_Child | i hate that |
| 04:43.06 | Taroven | CalQdeX: Well, like I said, you've got two options. You can take the ingame approach and log party chat via an addon using relevant chat events (not hard to do, though formatting may be an issue), or you can find/write a little script/program to split the logs outside of the game. |
| 04:43.37 | Thunder_Child | ~framexml |
| 04:43.37 | purl | Download FrameXML code/art from http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?locale=en_US&articleId=21466 ; or view it online at http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source , http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser or http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml |
| 04:43.45 | DWSR | Second option well probably give you the end result you're looking for. |
| 04:44.31 | Taroven | Yeah. Saving chat to savedvars is all fine and dandy until the game crashes or you hit alt-f4. |
| 04:44.54 | Taroven | Not entirely sure if that's the case with log files. |
| 04:45.46 | Taroven | Hey, compile finished sometime in the last few minutes. Sweet. |
| 04:49.11 | CalQdeX | I guess I'll try to find the WoW Programming book |
| 04:50.08 | CalQdeX | thank you |
| 04:51.16 | Taroven | Well... No audio issues so far. |
| 04:51.25 | Taroven | And the xinput2 patch pretty much works. |
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| 05:02.35 | DWSR | Apparently, if you try to open a network share in Ableton to pull tracks out of, you crash it. |
| 05:04.06 | DWSR | #thefailisstrongwiththisone |
| 05:05.29 | Dagmar | That's just crazy |
| 05:05.56 | DWSR | Well, to be fair, I mounted the network share as a drive. |
| 05:06.01 | DWSR | Because Ableton doesn't even support UNC paths. |
| 05:06.14 | DWSR | And then Ableton exploded. |
| 05:06.19 | Dagmar | Heh |
| 05:06.21 | DWSR | s/exploded/froze/ |
| 05:06.35 | Dagmar | I get the feeling it expects seek() to return immediately, if not sooner. |
| 05:06.44 | DWSR | I get the feeling that shouldn't fucking matter. |
| 05:06.56 | DWSR | It doesn't even let me explore the fucking tree. |
| 05:07.12 | Dagmar | Betcha if you looked around it's docs a bit they'd have great big caution signs in there somewhere about that. |
| 05:07.16 | DWSR | Like, not even pull a track out, I go to expand the drive in the explorer and it goes LOLNO |
| 05:08.13 | DWSR | and there's nothing in the manual regarding shares. |
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| 05:11.22 | Taroven | Grr. I have a feeling that playing FPS's on Wine isn't gonna work too well. Mass Effect has... issues. Borderlands works great with the xinput2 patch, except that the mouse leaves the game window and clicking at that point doesn't exactly do much of anything good. Haven't tried HL2 yet though... |
| 05:11.33 | Taroven | Dammit, I wanna blow shit up. |
| 05:12.45 | mikma | bfbc2+vietnam <3 |
| 05:13.35 | mikma | nothings more satisfying than seeing a tank drive into your antitankmine-field when theres men hiding nehind the tank |
| 05:13.48 | mikma | behind* |
| 05:13.56 | Taroven | Heh. |
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| 05:14.50 | mikma | thats usually 2x men inside tank + men behind the tank dying because of the explosion. ding ding ding ding! |
| 05:15.09 | Torhal | Taroven: winecfg has an option to allow D3D apps to prevent the mouse from leaving the window. |
| 05:16.30 | Taroven | Torhal: It's enabled already, though I haven't tried forced yet. |
| 05:16.57 | Taroven | (thinking of a different setting, same idea though) |
| 05:16.58 | mikma | taroven: "force is my lubricant" |
| 05:17.06 | Taroven | Giggity. |
| 05:18.36 | mikma | why hello there mr. family guy |
| 05:21.07 | bluspacecow | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7193470719293309352# |
| 05:25.30 | Shirik | hrm |
| 05:26.04 | Shirik | Your account has been activated. Visit the <a href='/accounts/login/'>sign in page</a> to sign in. |
| 05:26.19 | Shirik | I wonder if this is a test to see if you understand code enough |
| 05:29.13 | Taroven | Sweet. HL2 works without a hitch. |
| 05:36.09 | DWSR | Dagmar: Apparently, if you give Ableton several months, it'll load a network share. |
| 05:36.19 | DWSR | It has to be doing some scanning. |
| 05:38.00 | bleeter | OffTopic: For expat Aussies, http://www.abc.net.au/news/abcnews24 has had it's GeoIP block removed during the flooding in Qld. |
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| 05:48.50 | Arrowmaster | http://lkml.org/lkml/2011/1/10/267 |
| 05:48.57 | Arrowmaster | epic linux kernel patch |
| 05:49.22 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Shirik -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ || 4.0.x ToC: 40000 || #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting || Happy Birthday Cairenn!!! |
| 05:49.39 | Taroven | o.0 |
| 05:53.23 | durcyn | oh, to be 21 again. |
| 05:54.28 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: That right there is pure awesome |
| 05:57.50 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: i started darksiders, pretty cool |
| 05:57.58 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: and it even comes from somebody at redhat |
| 05:58.22 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: yes, yes it is |
| 05:58.23 | kd3 | ooh b'day |
| 05:58.26 | kd3 | yay january b'days |
| 06:00.17 | kd3 | arrow; lol |
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| 06:09.08 | DWSR | btw, epic patch is epic. |
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| 06:10.32 | bluspacecow | anyone one using 10.6.6 willing to upload their store agent related plists out of /System/Library/LaunchAgents for me ? |
| 06:10.34 | bluspacecow | >_> |
| 06:10.37 | bluspacecow | <_< |
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| 06:35.41 | Iriel | bluspacecow: you want what? |
| 06:35.50 | bluspacecow | nvm |
| 06:37.54 | Shirik | so let me get this straight |
| 06:37.59 | Shirik | If someone leaves your random heroic party |
| 06:38.03 | Shirik | and you decide to leave because it's falling apart |
| 06:38.07 | Shirik | you get the 30 minute debuff too? |
| 06:38.10 | bluspacecow | sunshine and rainbows ? |
| 06:38.14 | Shirik | What kind of bullshit is that |
| 06:40.57 | Xyphoid | it's why people try and get kicked |
| 06:41.01 | Xyphoid | if you get kicked you don't get a debuff |
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| 06:52.05 | ccox | "random dungeon cooldown" should have an exception for "cannot create a new instance" B.S. |
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| 07:04.12 | bluspacecow | http://perversiontracker.com/2011/01/cute-kittens-free-1-0/ |
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| 07:07.39 | Shirik | I believe I just found the worst article on Wikipedia.... ever |
| 07:08.26 | Shirik | Shirik (talk | contribs | block) changed revision visibility of Sex offender: removed content for 52 revisions |
| 07:08.27 | Shirik | Nakon (talk | contribs | block) changed revision visibility of Sex offender: removed content, edit summary for 83 revisions |
| 07:08.36 | Shirik | Shirik (talk | contribs | block) (13,065 bytes) (Revert to revision 367729334 dated 2010-06-13 06:30:58 by Herostratus using popups) (undo) |
| 07:08.41 | Shirik | I just reverted 6 months of editing |
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| 09:16.05 | *** topic/#wowuidev is http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ || 4.0.x ToC: 40000 || #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting || Happy Birthday Cairenn!!! |
| 09:26.57 | industrial | Okay so eating 3/4kg cruesli+yoghurt at 7am when your body hasn't woken up yet isn't such a good idea .. |
| 09:27.16 | industrial | my belly wants to kill me right now >_> |
| 09:33.21 | Elunatic | Cairenn<3 :D |
| 09:33.28 | Cairenn | :) |
| 09:33.29 | Cairenn | hi |
| 09:34.43 | Elunatic | How are things? |
| 09:35.57 | Wobin | hahaah |
| 09:35.57 | Wobin | http://yfrog.com/h2bx0oj |
| 09:36.09 | Wobin | a comparison chart for you USians about the Australian floods |
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| 09:46.02 | bleeter | they're starting to turn off the power in Brisbane |
| 09:47.55 | bleeter | here's a great comparison map for US folks showing the affected area http://yfrog.com/h7864hmj |
| 09:48.02 | bleeter | *showing the size of the... |
| 09:48.39 | bleeter | and EU comparison (more than france+germany) http://yfrog.com/h25ufsjj |
| 09:53.21 | Wobin | I think the EU one is just confusing |
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| 10:18.59 | bleeter | Wobin: not really |
| 10:19.14 | bleeter | well, maybe, /shrug |
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| 10:34.28 | dusf | synaptic package manager is giving me several different wine packages to choose from when installing wine, can you please advise which one i should be using to run World of Warcraft? |
| 10:34.33 | dusf | http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=5upwd3&s=7 |
| 10:34.36 | dusf | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:34.48 | Arrowmaster | 1.3 |
| 10:34.54 | dusf | without gecko? |
| 10:35.07 | Arrowmaster | you need both wine1.3 and wine1.3-gecko |
| 10:35.40 | dusf | ty |
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| 10:36.55 | Arrowmaster | and good god those fonts look horrible |
| 10:37.31 | dusf | :) |
| 10:37.43 | dusf | personal preference from when i started using mIRC with comic sans 10 years ago |
| 10:38.42 | jnwhiteh | oh god |
| 10:38.50 | jnwhiteh | that's the saddest story i've ever heard |
| 10:39.14 | dusf | :*( |
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| 10:47.52 | bleeter | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:47.54 | Fisker | age jnwhiteh |
| 10:47.56 | Fisker | rage* |
| 10:48.06 | Fisker | bank closed my creditcard :< |
| 10:48.16 | jnwhiteh | boo |
| 10:48.21 | jnwhiteh | why? |
| 10:48.36 | Fisker | Because of sandy bridge :P |
| 10:48.51 | Fisker | Since i placed like 4 or 5 seperate orders they were like "zomg" |
| 10:51.20 | Fisker | so now i have to go to the bank and sign a "gtfo my bank account jerks" |
| 10:52.56 | jnwhiteh | boo |
| 10:53.06 | Fisker | yeah |
| 10:56.03 | dusf | fisker :) |
| 10:56.17 | dusf | why did you place 4/5 different orders anyway? |
| 10:58.06 | cbreak_work | you should have ordered normally, not with credit card |
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| 11:26.52 | dusf | can anyone confirm that when you're logged into wow using an account that hasn't yet been upgraded to cata, you're using the exact same software you would be when taking your toon around kalimdor, eastern kingdoms, and northrend? |
| 11:27.20 | dusf | i'm going to pick up a game card when i'm out to see if i can get it to run and a decent fps, and i'd rather not also spend â¬30 on cata until i've confirmed it's playable... |
| 11:27.20 | jnwhiteh | that is indeed the case |
| 11:27.24 | dusf | tyvm |
| 11:27.30 | jnwhiteh | its the same client |
| 11:27.48 | jnwhiteh | you just won't have the data for the goblin and worgen areas |
| 11:28.22 | dusf | when i received the 10 working days to promote cata my main was stuck in dala and i couldn't move him because the fps was so bad, i'm going to move him by logging in from an internet cafe when out, and then i can test for fps improvements in dala with a level 1 toon |
| 11:28.43 | dusf | when home. |
| 11:28.58 | jnwhiteh | you had fps issues in dala with no people there? |
| 11:29.01 | jnwhiteh | that's a concern |
| 11:29.06 | dusf | i've never been in dala with no people there |
| 11:29.13 | dusf | it's always full of people, which i think is the problem |
| 11:29.15 | jnwhiteh | if you were there post cata you were |
| 11:29.22 | jnwhiteh | there has been no one there since cataclysm was released |
| 11:29.36 | mitch0 | I'm in dala |
| 11:29.39 | dusf | in wotlk i'd only get between 5-10 fps which was a pain, but i could at least move albeit it slowly |
| 11:29.42 | jnwhiteh | mitch0: you are n o one |
| 11:29.52 | dusf | jnwhiteh: dala was populated when i was there, i could see people and hear them |
| 11:30.02 | jnwhiteh | the general channelsa re linked |
| 11:30.06 | jnwhiteh | you were hearing everyone in every channel |
| 11:30.10 | dusf | i don't mean chat channels |
| 11:30.15 | jnwhiteh | *shrug* |
| 11:30.15 | dusf | i mean i could hear characters emotes etc |
| 11:30.22 | jnwhiteh | not sure why they were there post cata release |
| 11:30.27 | dusf | jnwhiteh: should cata be more hardware intensive than wotlk? |
| 11:30.28 | jnwhiteh | its been a ghost town on every server I've been on |
| 11:30.32 | jnwhiteh | dusf: yes, slightly |
| 11:30.41 | bleeter | http://twitpic.com/3p1w4i |
| 11:30.41 | dusf | that slithly might be just enough to push me over |
| 11:30.46 | jnwhiteh | only because the old world has been upgraded and is a bit more graphics intensive |
| 11:30.47 | bleeter | SFW, btw |
| 11:31.05 | dusf | jnwhiteh: i play with a e4400 1.8ghz core 2 duo, 1gb of ram, geforce 7300 le and linux with wine |
| 11:31.12 | jnwhiteh | you need 1gb more ran |
| 11:31.13 | jnwhiteh | ram |
| 11:31.14 | jnwhiteh | at least |
| 11:31.36 | jnwhiteh | I run on a 1.6 intel atom with 2gb ram and integrated intel graphics and I can play better than you can it seems |
| 11:31.37 | dusf | all the other zones were fine in wotlk, just dala, oh and one of the bgs |
| 11:31.43 | jnwhiteh | or at least comparatively =) |
| 11:31.51 | dusf | :) |
| 11:32.07 | dusf | was thinking about upgrading the card to one i could carry over to a future build with newer mobo and proc |
| 11:32.18 | jnwhiteh | ram will do you better than anything |
| 11:32.20 | dusf | jnwhiteh: if i buy the ram it will only work on my older board, right? |
| 11:32.25 | jnwhiteh | not necessarily |
| 11:32.28 | jnwhiteh | depends on what the two boards are |
| 11:33.00 | jnwhiteh | kingston.com could tell you :P |
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| 11:33.34 | dusf | will have a look, guess i could pick up a game card and spring another â¬30 â¬40 for 1gb of ram |
| 11:33.43 | jnwhiteh | ram prices are uber cheap |
| 11:33.49 | jnwhiteh | you should definitely get more ram :P |
| 11:34.04 | dusf | jnwhiteh: you said you play fine with integrated graphics, do you play on linux? |
| 11:34.20 | jnwhiteh | no thats under mac os x |
| 11:35.20 | dusf | ahh cool |
| 11:35.29 | dusf | http://www.ec.kingston.com/ecom/configurator_new/modelsinfo.asp?SysID=32778&mfr=Dell&model=Dimension+E520&search_type=&root=uk&LinkBack=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kingston.com%2Fukroot&Sys=32778-Dell-Dimension+E520&distributor=0&submit1=Search |
| 11:35.33 | dusf | they're my ram options |
| 11:36.07 | jnwhiteh | prices may/will be cheaper elsewhere, I just use kingston to get an idea of what ram is compatible and general idea of prices |
| 11:36.26 | jnwhiteh | 2gb on smc direct is only £47 |
| 11:36.32 | jnwhiteh | i'm sure you can find int cheaper as well |
| 11:36.33 | dusf | jnwhiteh: is it better the hgiher the mhz? |
| 11:36.46 | jnwhiteh | i think the speed should match your board/device |
| 11:36.51 | jnwhiteh | i'm not entirely sure, never had so many options |
| 11:37.32 | mitch0 | I shouldn't have checked the memory prices... the stuff I bought 2 month ago dropped by almost 40% :( |
| 11:37.47 | jnwhiteh | =/ |
| 11:37.55 | dusf | jnwhiteh: i'm gonna ring the computer shop i'll buy it from and see how they tell me to check |
| 11:38.14 | jnwhiteh | more ram will change your life |
| 11:38.16 | jnwhiteh | that much I assure you =) |
| 11:40.19 | dusf | the dude just asked how old it was |
| 11:40.26 | dusf | told him dell 3/4 years, |
| 11:40.38 | dusf | he said ddr2 2gb â¬49, doesn't have and 1gb |
| 11:40.42 | airtonix | dusf, an e4400 is just a bit underpowered don't you think |
| 11:40.56 | airtonix | at least a e6550 |
| 11:41.01 | dusf | airtonix: dude i know, but i don't have the money for a complete upgrade right now, you know? |
| 11:41.13 | airtonix | maybe a second hand e6550 ? |
| 11:41.46 | airtonix | will be lots around in the second hand shops now that all the boffins are moving to those i5 and 7s |
| 11:41.47 | mitch0 | what's the 16:10 resolution that's one higher than 1680x1050? 1920x1280? |
| 11:42.02 | Jerub | 1920x1200 i think |
| 11:42.23 | dusf | airtonix: i could probably get one off ebay |
| 11:42.23 | Jerub | i have that at work |
| 11:42.46 | mitch0 | thanks. trying to find a 16:10 monitor... not easy nowadays |
| 11:42.50 | dusf | airtonix: do you think upgrading from 1gb of ram to 2/3gb would make much difference? |
| 11:42.54 | airtonix | dusf, yeah but ry for a second hand shop if its cheaper, ebay option will add at least 30$ transport costs |
| 11:43.15 | dusf | trying to think of a second hand computer shop in dublin |
| 11:43.19 | dusf | to google! |
| 11:43.27 | airtonix | dusf, can you get fast ram ? |
| 11:43.45 | airtonix | ergo what speed fsb is your motherboard ? |
| 11:44.17 | dusf | airtonix: the guy at the shop i rang just said it was ddr2 and quoted â¬49 |
| 11:44.29 | airtonix | yeah ddr2 has many speeds |
| 11:44.32 | dusf | airtonix: i don't know how to check :( it's a dell 3/4 years old |
| 11:45.05 | airtonix | so no motherboard manual then ? |
| 11:46.06 | airtonix | in your shows i'd aim to get a beefier cpu and the fastest ram i could afford that works with your motherboard |
| 11:46.10 | airtonix | shoes* |
| 11:47.02 | dusf | airtonix: i'll have to try find the name of the mobo |
| 11:47.08 | dusf | dells website will probably tell me |
| 11:47.24 | dusf | airtonix: so the guy that i just spoke to could have just sold me ddr2 that wouldn't work? |
| 11:49.41 | airtonix | dusf, maybe but most likely it would have just worked at reduced speed |
| 11:49.53 | airtonix | depends on the supported speeds of your motherboard |
| 11:50.11 | bleeter | today's kids try to work out 80's and 90's tech: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdSHeKfZG7c |
| 11:50.20 | airtonix | sometimes a motherboard will only support higher ranged speeds for particular slots and quantities |
| 11:53.30 | airtonix | is that yellow thing a kinetically powered 8track player ? |
| 11:53.34 | dusf | airtonix: pcworld said to bring in the model number from the back of the dell tower and they'll check it when i get in there |
| 11:54.06 | airtonix | dusf, good luck, i don't trust advice from people who want my money |
| 11:54.16 | dusf | :) |
| 11:54.17 | dusf | ty |
| 11:54.58 | airtonix | i'd try and find a pdf version of the manual for the motherboard if i could |
| 11:58.15 | dusf | airtonix: kingston.com's recommending 2GB 800MHz CL5 Module DDR2 |
| 11:58.23 | bleeter | airtonix: it's an 8track, I didn't pick the kinetic foo thing but I think you're right there |
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| 12:20.34 | amro | Shirik: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMaY6jKa2w8 |
| 12:20.53 | zenzio | http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/01/10/anarchy-online-player-hijacks-gm-account-runs-amok-in-game/ - this amused me |
| 12:21.12 | Kalroth | haha |
| 12:21.14 | amro | the title sounds delicious, it had better not disappoint |
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| 12:40.07 | p3lim | I'm having issues with the following script: http://pastey.net/144735 |
| 12:40.07 | bleeter | poor tevatron :( http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/shortsharpscience/2011/01/tevatron-collider-to-shut-down.html |
| 12:40.51 | p3lim | GetItemInfo returns nothing on first try, but returns normal on second and beyond |
| 12:40.56 | p3lim | any of you know why? |
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| 12:41.30 | Kalroth | the item isn't cached yet? |
| 12:42.18 | p3lim | even after a reloadui it fails, the item should be cached by then right? |
| 12:42.52 | p3lim | nvm, that proved to be wrong |
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| 12:47.26 | mitch0 | the item cache is cleared on exit |
| 12:49.02 | p3lim | its cached locally on first view, so that statement is wrong mitch0 |
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| 12:52.19 | mitch0 | *shrug* I remember reading something about clearing the cache on exit |
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| 13:12.39 | karl_w_w | i'll clear your cache |
| 13:13.37 | Elkano | with 4.x some things about the item cache changed... I think the item's data will be synced with the server each session now :/ |
| 13:18.06 | jnwhiteh | when an item is hotfixed, an event is sent down from the server |
| 13:18.08 | jnwhiteh | I know that much |
| 13:19.30 | p3lim | Is there any event fired when the item is cached? |
| 13:19.48 | jnwhiteh | dunno |
| 13:20.01 | mikma | jnwhiteh: UpdateShiz() |
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| 13:25.09 | p3lim | in the GetItemInfo docs at wowprogramming.com there is something about an event GET_ITEM_INFO_RECEIVED, but its not located in the events list |
| 13:25.49 | p3lim | found it on the site, but its not in the list |
| 13:26.51 | mitch0 | try /eventtrace in-game |
| 13:30.23 | jnwhiteh | wowprogramming.com found a huge spike in traffic on January 3rd |
| 13:30.24 | jnwhiteh | O.o |
| 13:30.37 | jnwhiteh | p3lim: then that event no longer exists |
| 13:30.40 | jnwhiteh | if its not in the list |
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| 13:30.50 | p3lim | hm.. |
| 13:30.55 | mitch0 | jnwhiteh: that's the date I did wget -r on it :P |
| 13:31.08 | jnwhiteh | the api/event/cvar lists are always accurate |
| 13:31.17 | jnwhiteh | they reflect the actual list of api functions, events, and cvars that exist in the game |
| 13:31.21 | p3lim | ok |
| 13:31.34 | p3lim | the database entry is kept for historical purposes? |
| 13:32.04 | jnwhiteh | well its a wiki page |
| 13:32.05 | jnwhiteh | its just kept. |
| 13:32.11 | p3lim | ok |
| 13:32.13 | jnwhiteh | although the event page should say its no longer in client |
| 13:32.31 | p3lim | it doesnt |
| 13:34.00 | p3lim | would really like an event like that though |
| 13:35.14 | p3lim | or is there any other way of finding out once an item is cached? |
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| 13:35.55 | jnwhiteh | the event pages now indicate when an event no longest exists |
| 13:36.24 | p3lim | there we go :) |
| 13:39.25 | mikma | http://www.geekologie.com/2011/01/one_mcskull_meal_please_or_ind.php |
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| 13:46.38 | mikma | fisker: http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/u_mad.gif |
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| 13:47.31 | Lopeppeppy | I am getting a wee bit sick of the constant snow. Winter can bite me. |
| 13:47.44 | Cairenn | huggles Lopeppeppy |
| 13:48.03 | Lopeppeppy | Happy happy happy birthday lady! |
| 13:48.06 | alestane | We gets snow tonight maybe. Not sick of it yet here. |
| 13:48.11 | Cairenn | thanks sweetie :) |
| 13:48.31 | Lopeppeppy | They're sending me another 8 or so inches of snow tomorrow, perhaps in your honor? |
| 13:48.34 | mckenziemc | oh my |
| 13:48.40 | mckenziemc | it's 1/11/11 |
| 13:48.44 | alestane | gets Cairenn a rum & coke with a candle on top. |
| 13:48.56 | Cairenn | I'd just as soon pass up on the snow myself, Lopeppeppy |
| 13:49.01 | Cairenn | alestane: yum |
| 13:49.15 | alestane | I suppose that's true, Peppy-dear, the sow has to roll over you to get to us. |
| 13:49.43 | Lopeppeppy | If my town plowed, I'd be fine with it. They don't. And so we still have at least 6 inches of the last weekend's foot of snow on the roads as slushy icy stuff. |
| 13:49.58 | alestane | Blargh! |
| 13:49.59 | jnwhiteh | wtb approval? |
| 13:49.59 | jnwhiteh | http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/captainslog/ |
| 13:50.04 | jnwhiteh | "Our administrators will be reviewing your project any minute now." |
| 13:50.05 | jnwhiteh | LIES LIES! |
| 13:50.09 | Cairenn | Lopeppeppy: yuck |
| 13:50.48 | Lopeppeppy | Verra yuk. I want to move back to Boston where at least they were honest about when they werent' going to plow. |
| 13:51.14 | mitch0 | jnwhiteh: did you write that for the /reload thing? |
| 13:51.14 | Cairenn | heh |
| 13:51.32 | jnwhiteh | mitch0: I wrote that cause I reload too often and miss messages, yeah |
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| 13:51.48 | mitch0 | does it have a repo I can pull from? :) |
| 13:52.00 | jnwhiteh | yes, its on curseforge |
| 13:52.04 | mitch0 | cool |
| 13:52.05 | jnwhiteh | until the wowi repos are made public |
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| 13:52.25 | p3lim | Lopeppeppy: The snow is over a meter high outside my place |
| 13:52.49 | mitch0 | what happens if someone sends you a message right when you're doing the reload? (watching the progress bar or somesuch) |
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| 13:52.56 | alestane | Aren't you in Scandinaivia somewhere? |
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| 13:54.26 | Lopeppeppy | I don't have a meter stick, p3lim, but that's some snows. |
| 13:54.40 | alestane | 3.3 feets, Lopeppeppy. |
| 13:56.07 | krka | i've had about a meter of snow in my yard for most of the winter |
| 13:56.07 | Lopeppeppy | Feeeeeets. |
| 13:56.12 | krka | starts to thaw now though! |
| 13:57.11 | Kraps | # Tremor Totem has been redesigned. The totem is now usable under Fear, Charm, or Sleep effects, and pulses much more rapidly, but lasts 6 seconds and has a 1-minute cooldown. |
| 13:58.30 | industrial | wat |
| 13:58.43 | industrial | locks > shaman |
| 13:59.30 | Kraps | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/150574/tremor-totem-and-cleansing-waters-nerfed#post201 |
| 14:00.09 | mckenziemc | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/150574/Kraps_nerfed |
| 14:00.47 | Kraps | mckenziemc: i dont get it |
| 14:01.45 | mckenziemc | common side-effect |
| 14:02.27 | airtonix | it's called old age |
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| 14:05.28 | Lunessa | station |
| 14:05.42 | Kraps | Lunessa: |
| 14:05.58 | Kraps | Tremor Totem has been redesigned. The totem is now usable under Fear, Charm, or Sleep effects, and pulses much more rapidly, but lasts 6 seconds and has a 1-minute cooldown. |
| 14:06.29 | Lunessa | well, that's going to be much more interesting in PvP. |
| 14:06.32 | Cairenn | radio |
| 14:07.57 | Kraps | kinda good news everyone! http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704739504576068170230339348.html |
| 14:08.33 | Maldivia | pssh... who uses iphones anyway? |
| 14:08.40 | mitch0 | who uses verizon? |
| 14:08.52 | mitch0 | kraps: your definition of everyone is seriously flawed |
| 14:09.54 | Kraps | mitch0: i was addressing everyone, i didnt say it was good news for everyone :p |
| 14:10.22 | Kraps | AMD Chief Resigns Suddenly |
| 14:10.46 | Kraps | Intel to Pay Nvidia $1.5 Billion |
| 14:10.49 | Kraps | nice |
| 14:11.04 | industrial | meh company x company y, big sum of money, meh :P |
| 14:11.39 | Kraps | Myspace Layoffs on Tuesday lolololololol |
| 14:12.00 | industrial | egh my whole body aches :( |
| 14:12.05 | industrial | getting sick |
| 14:12.16 | industrial | haven't been sick in .. YEARS |
| 14:12.21 | mitch0 | industrial: drink vodka |
| 14:12.24 | industrial | no. |
| 14:12.33 | mitch0 | works for me ;) |
| 14:12.43 | Lopeppeppy | indie, take your vitamins, drink tons of water, and wash your hands a lot. |
| 14:13.00 | mitch0 | drinking vodka is more fun. I win |
| 14:13.06 | Kraps | http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704111504576059713528698754.html?reflink=djm_wsjbc_chuaexcerpt_377x140 |
| 14:13.58 | Lopeppeppy | Fun, but if you get dehydrated the germs will totally be the winners. Flush the bastiches out!!! |
| 14:14.20 | mitch0 | kill them with alcohol, flush them when they're dead already |
| 14:15.26 | industrial | I'm at work I can't drink |
| 14:15.45 | industrial | (wouldn't want to anyway) |
| 14:20.05 | Lopeppeppy | Tea, Indie? With honey? are you so lucky as to have some of that? |
| 14:21.16 | Kraps | http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/01/04/thems-fightin-words-rift-commercial-takes-on-wow/ lol |
| 14:21.33 | Jerub | crap. it's 12:20 |
| 14:21.35 | industrial | I has one Lopeppeppy, tea |
| 14:22.14 | Lopeppeppy | Okay, drink a ton of tea then, Indie. |
| 14:24.13 | Thunder_Child | i wish i liked tea |
| 14:26.26 | Lopeppeppy | I don't like it much either, TC. I drink it when I'm sick, as a hydration and honey-delivery device. |
| 14:28.28 | Jerub | um. i have to ask. |
| 14:28.32 | Jerub | what kind of tea don't you like? |
| 14:28.52 | Lopeppeppy | All of it. |
| 14:29.22 | Jerub | there's a big difference between sweet ice tea and a hot pot of arctic fire, for instance. |
| 14:29.31 | Lopeppeppy | See, I have these dust and mold allergies, and tea is such an awesome delivery device for both of those. |
| 14:30.26 | Jerub | ugh |
| 14:30.30 | Jerub | that sucks, sorry to hear that |
| 14:30.58 | krka | i try to avoid dust-tea and mold-tea as well |
| 14:31.01 | krka | i prefer earl grey |
| 14:31.20 | Ackis | or dick |
| 14:31.28 | Lopeppeppy | In general I need to stay away from anything "dried" that's not vacuum packed. Like fruit, raisins, dried apricots? |
| 14:31.42 | Lopeppeppy | Ackis, if your willy is dusty you're not doing it right. |
| 14:31.56 | krka | or often enough |
| 14:32.04 | Ackis | or you're really old |
| 14:32.23 | Lopeppeppy | Even old people use their willies. |
| 14:32.41 | Ackis | not ones who are "dust to dust" :P |
| 14:36.06 | Lopeppeppy | I'm allergic to those, they don't count. :P |
| 14:37.15 | Jerub | krka: to me, there's two kinds of tea. earl grey and drinkable tea. |
| 14:37.25 | Jerub | krka: but we don't have any variety of iced tea here |
| 14:38.17 | amro | ugh, iced tea |
| 14:38.24 | amro | might as well eat hot ice cream |
| 14:39.25 | Ackis | or dick |
| 14:39.36 | amro | you'd know about hot dick |
| 14:39.49 | Adys | he knows about melted dick |
| 14:40.00 | amro | I don't want to know about that |
| 14:40.08 | amro | ~timeout Adys |
| 14:40.08 | purl | ACTION grabs Adys by the ear, drags him to the timeout chair, and forces him to sit there for 20 minutes |
| 14:40.21 | Jerub | i want to go to bed, but i want to stay up and read reports of the flooding :/ |
| 14:40.43 | Lopeppeppy | Are you in danger of washing away, Jerub? |
| 14:40.57 | amro | doesn't sound like it |
| 14:41.17 | Jerub | not here |
| 14:41.29 | Jerub | but i used to live on a street that's currently underwater |
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| 14:43.54 | Ackis | are the CC changes pvp or pve? |
| 14:43.56 | Jerub | i now live on the 3rd story |
| 14:43.58 | Jerub | Ackis: pvp |
| 14:44.13 | Lopeppeppy | That just means the first story will flood, and your building will fall down! :( |
| 14:44.16 | Jerub | Ackis: they seem to be unifying on 8 second pvp CC |
| 14:44.27 | Jerub | Lopeppeppy: not this building |
| 14:45.00 | Ackis | Jerub: ok that makes sense |
| 14:45.14 | Ackis | the excerpt I read didn't mention pvp/pve |
| 14:45.45 | Jerub | http://failblog.org/2011/01/11/epic-fail-photos-flood-warning-fail/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+failblog+%28The+FAIL+Blog+-+Fail+Pictures+%26+Videos+at+Failblog.ORG%29&utm_content=Twitter |
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| 14:47.49 | alestane | ~wowalert |
| 14:47.49 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 14:48.22 | Fisker | Lopeppeppy |
| 14:48.26 | Fisker | my credit card got blocked |
| 14:48.33 | Fisker | and probably won't be unblocked until tomorrow |
| 14:48.37 | Fisker | HOW WILL I GET SOFTDRINKS NOOOOOOW |
| 14:48.40 | Fisker | :< |
| 14:48.41 | alestane | Probably because you killed a guy, Fisker. |
| 14:49.32 | Lopeppeppy | Stop it with the killing people, and your credit cards won't be in danger, Fisker. |
| 14:49.48 | Blu|Torchlight | @fisker by using the very long arm trick |
| 14:50.00 | mckenziemc | Jerub: lots of fail in that url : / |
| 14:50.10 | Lopeppeppy | Or getting a monkey to help you. |
| 14:50.18 | Lopeppeppy | eyes BluSleepy up and down. |
| 14:50.27 | BluSleepy | *hides* |
| 14:50.37 | Lopeppeppy | You are not the cow I was looking for. |
| 14:50.37 | Fisker | i think it had to do with me spreading my upgrade to sandy bridge over 4 internet orders |
| 14:51.14 | Lopeppeppy | Suspicious activity, that would do it. |
| 14:51.58 | BluSleepy | im not ? |
| 14:56.12 | Ackis | Fisker: or the dick you ordered |
| 14:56.38 | alestane | gets BluSleepycow an espresso mocha. |
| 14:56.56 | BluSleepycow | *sleeps on fisker* |
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| 14:58.24 | angayelle | hai people |
| 14:58.35 | angayelle | peoplez rather |
| 14:58.52 | jnwhiteh | bleeter: are you sure you're older than I am? |
| 14:59.29 | angayelle | i wanted to have my frame do a 45° rotation, found Rotation:SetDegrees(degrees) api but it's working the way i thought it would |
| 14:59.38 | angayelle | not |
| 15:00.19 | Ackis | ohh I think I was referenced in a blue post |
| 15:00.31 | Ackis | "On the contrary, these are the World of Warcraft forums, therefore discussion here should be about the game, not about, for example, the latest internet meme, your brother's annoying bathroom habits, links to pictures of the most revolting ingrown toenails in history etc" |
| 15:00.33 | Fisker | i'm older than Shirik jnwhiteh |
| 15:00.36 | Fisker | which is messed up |
| 15:00.41 | Ackis | ingrown toenail pics is all me |
| 15:00.45 | Fisker | hmm Ackis |
| 15:01.00 | Fisker | so Ackis |
| 15:01.09 | Fisker | Since the game contains memes |
| 15:01.12 | Thunder_Child | 5 year olds are older than Shirik |
| 15:01.14 | Fisker | discussion about the game cannot occur |
| 15:01.22 | Fisker | that sucks Ackis |
| 15:01.30 | Fisker | it's messed up Thunder_Child |
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| 15:10.15 | alestane | angayelle, are you trying to make the frame rotate while you watch it, or just have it be angled? |
| 15:10.34 | angayelle | like that |
| 15:10.36 | angayelle | http://www.mystorymyarts.org/downloads/social/msma-white-diagonal.jpg |
| 15:10.44 | angayelle | have it angled |
| 15:10.57 | angayelle | cause i want a table style frame with text angled |
| 15:11.25 | alestane | Ugh...I seem to remember that rotations don't work on FontStrings. |
| 15:11.37 | angayelle | damn |
| 15:12.04 | angayelle | i know i can rotate textures, but i need fontstrings for dynamic purposes |
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| 16:01.31 | Lulia | Today is Cairenn's birthday? |
| 16:01.37 | Cairenn | that it is |
| 16:02.08 | alestane | gives birthday huggles. |
| 16:02.18 | Cairenn | :) |
| 16:02.22 | Cairenn | huggles alestane |
| 16:02.25 | alestane | Yay! |
| 16:03.31 | Lopeppeppy | joins the huggle pile. This is great fun! |
| 16:04.15 | cogwheel | yay huggles! |
| 16:04.46 | nicoli_s | more snow! |
| 16:04.50 | cogwheel | now where do i sign up for the birthday spanking? |
| 16:04.52 | nicoli_s | and happy bday cairenn |
| 16:05.07 | Cairenn | thanks nicoli_s :) |
| 16:05.21 | Cairenn | giggles at cogwheel |
| 16:05.34 | nicoli_s | nw use your birthday powers to make school/work cancelled tom too! |
| 16:05.37 | nicoli_s | now* |
| 16:05.58 | Lopeppeppy | cogwheel, right here! |
| 16:06.10 | Cairenn | heh |
| 16:06.29 | cogwheel | Lopeppeppy: are you the spanking coordinatrix? |
| 16:06.32 | Lopeppeppy | You can spank Cairenn first because she's the birthday girl, and then me. |
| 16:06.38 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 16:06.39 | Lopeppeppy | I totally *ix. |
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| 16:09.47 | TC-Work | ....wtf |
| 16:10.47 | Thunder_Child | ~lart TC-Work |
| 16:10.47 | purl | gets a hotmal account and SPAMs TC-Work |
| 16:11.25 | alestane | goes looking for a paddle. |
| 16:12.47 | mckenziemc | hotmal? O.o |
| 16:14.04 | alestane | I missed it to post on time, but at least I posted *something* at 11:11, 1/11/11. |
| 16:14.25 | mikma | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:15.09 | TC-Work | yer such a nerd alestane |
| 16:15.36 | alestane | Which puts me in excellent company here. |
| 16:15.45 | TC-Work | fair enough |
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| 16:20.15 | Cide | Cairenn: happy birthday :) |
| 16:20.44 | Cairenn | thanks Cide :) |
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| 16:28.15 | foxlit_ | clearly the time to post something is 12:12 12/12/12 |
| 16:28.39 | Cide | let us all announce something big on that datetime |
| 16:28.51 | Lopeppeppy | I win the internets!! |
| 16:29.08 | mckenziemc | steals Lopeppeppy's internets |
| 16:30.09 | TC-Work | asuming we all live that long |
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| 16:32.58 | Lopeppeppy | Nooooo! My bubbles! |
| 16:33.38 | mikma | pop |
| 16:33.58 | Lopeppeppy | Aaaaaargh!!!! |
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| 16:35.39 | amro | http://www.mninja.org/images/genn.jpg |
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| 16:37.05 | mikma | amro: hacker |
| 16:37.49 | amro | want to see the second page? I've got Jaina. |
| 16:38.06 | mikma | imma gonna report you |
| 16:38.09 | mikma | i can see your nick |
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| 16:38.40 | mikma | </trollsker> |
| 16:44.30 | Lunessa | syrae: http://celebs.icanhascheezburger.com/2011/01/10/funny-celebrity-pictures-cat-in-the-hat-came-back/ |
| 16:46.40 | Lopeppeppy | Where's the cosmic whale thingie? |
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| 16:47.47 | mckenziemc | ~whaleslap lopeppeppy |
| 16:47.47 | purl | ACTION beats lopeppeppy upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 16:47.55 | Lopeppeppy | ~whaleparry |
| 16:48.16 | Lopeppeppy | Aww, dude, who erased the parry? |
| 16:48.27 | Lopeppeppy | ~whalenuke mckenziemc |
| 16:48.27 | purl | ACTION dons her radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around mckenziemc with his mind powers. |
| 16:48.51 | mckenziemc | evades |
| 16:51.47 | Adys | nevcairiel: ping |
| 16:52.39 | Adys | !api pet_st |
| 16:52.40 | lua_bot | Found 4 possible results for 'pet_st': PET_STABLE_UPDATE_PAPERDOLL, PET_STABLE_UPDATE, PET_STABLE_SHOW, PET_STABLE_CLOSED |
| 16:52.43 | Adys | !api pet_stable_update |
| 16:52.44 | lua_bot | Found 2 possible results for 'pet_stable_update': PET_STABLE_UPDATE_PAPERDOLL, PET_STABLE_UPDATE |
| 16:52.48 | Adys | !api PET_STABLE_UPDATE |
| 16:52.49 | lua_bot | PET_STABLE_UPDATE: Fires when information about the pet stables' content changes or becomes available (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/PET_STABLE_UPDATE) |
| 16:53.59 | mckenziemc | amro: Call Whirlpool Bunny > genn |
| 16:54.08 | mckenziemc | i don't remember if i took a pic of it though |
| 16:54.13 | nevcairiel | Adys: ! |
| 16:54.23 | Adys | nevcairiel: bug report on bartender4 :p |
| 16:54.28 | Adys | although its an old-ish version |
| 16:54.36 | nevcairiel | define oldish |
| 16:54.37 | Adys | but you're not watching for PET_STABLE_UPDATE / PET_STABLE_SHOW |
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| 16:54.53 | Adys | "old enough for me not to remember when i downloaded, but it works with 4.x" |
| 16:55.10 | nevcairiel | wth is that event supposed to do thats relevant for action bars |
| 16:55.38 | Adys | nevcairiel: as a hunder, "Call Pet" spells change icon when a pet stable data changes |
| 16:55.48 | Adys | the button takes the icon of the pet you're summoning it with |
| 16:55.54 | Adys | hunter* |
| 16:55.58 | Adys | (untested as warlock) |
| 16:56.16 | Adys | ((although would make no sense for it to be relevant for warlock) |
| 16:56.39 | Adys | nevcairiel: see line 496 of ActionButton.lua |
| 16:56.43 | nevcairiel | I actually do check for those events |
| 16:56.52 | Adys | mmh |
| 16:56.54 | nevcairiel | and if you still have ActionButton.lua, your version is way old |
| 16:56.55 | Adys | ill update, lemme check |
| 16:57.04 | Adys | no, im talking about blizzard's actionbutton.lua |
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| 16:57.09 | nevcairiel | oh |
| 16:57.25 | nevcairiel | i might do the wrong update though |
| 16:57.42 | Adys | argh, i cant update bartender >< |
| 16:57.46 | Adys | i got the hardcoded shit |
| 16:57.47 | nevcairiel | !framexml |
| 16:57.52 | nevcairiel | ~framexml |
| 16:57.52 | purl | Download FrameXML code/art from http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?locale=en_US&articleId=21466 ; or view it online at http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source , http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser or http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml |
| 16:57.53 | nevcairiel | <.< |
| 16:58.12 | Adys | nevcairiel: http://paste2.org/p/1187277 here |
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| 16:58.24 | nevcairiel | i found it already |
| 16:58.30 | nevcairiel | and yeah, i'm running the wrong update |
| 16:59.04 | Adys | what's your git repo url for bartender? |
| 16:59.25 | nevcairiel | git://git.wowace.com/wow/bartender4/mainline.git |
| 16:59.38 | Adys | ta |
| 17:00.07 | nevcairiel | although the fix itself is in LibActionButton |
| 17:01.40 | tejing | can anyone recommend a good mod to study if I want to make a mod that puts in a keybind or two in that do something securestateheader-based? I've never done a wow mod before, but I've done plenty of programming, so I'm trying to dive into a project here |
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| 17:02.10 | alestane | tejing, it depends what sort of thing you want to do. |
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| 17:03.13 | alestane | What do you want to happen when the keybind in question is pressed? |
| 17:03.51 | tejing | a spell gets cast, depending on allowable things |
| 17:04.30 | alestane | Depending on what allowable things you're talking about, you might just want to bind the key to a macro. |
| 17:04.58 | tejing | a macro won't work, I'd need to change the macro manually all the time (out of combat) |
| 17:05.29 | alestane | What sorts of conditions or changes do you need to make, then? |
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| 17:08.29 | tejing | In this case I just want a mod that will choose a mount to use from among the mounts you have available, and whether you're in an area where you can fly (which blizz doesn't have a macro condition for (that works), hence the rewriting), whether you're swimming, etc |
| 17:09.09 | alestane | Don't need secure headers to invoke a mount. |
| 17:09.15 | tejing | and I know there are mods that already do this but the point for me in this case is the programming exercise :-) |
| 17:09.23 | karl_w_w | im sure such a mod must exist already |
| 17:09.26 | alestane | !api CallCompanion |
| 17:09.28 | lua_bot | CallCompanion: Summons a non-combat pet or mount (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/CallCompanion) |
| 17:09.40 | alestane | You can use that directly from Lua. |
| 17:09.41 | karl_w_w | and i know arkinventory provides that function and you can keybind it |
| 17:10.52 | tejing | alestane: that won't deal well with druid flight form and aquatic form |
| 17:11.07 | alestane | Livestock used to deal with those conditions. |
| 17:11.11 | Lopeppeppy | Moo? |
| 17:11.19 | tejing | and as I said, the point is to learn how these secure headers work, not just to get the mod complete |
| 17:11.19 | karl_w_w | Baa. |
| 17:11.23 | Fisker | moo: cpu: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-2600K CPU @ 3.40GHz (x64) at 3401MHz (24% Load) |
| 17:11.26 | Fisker | moo indeed Lopeppeppy |
| 17:11.27 | Lopeppeppy | La la la |
| 17:11.45 | alestane | The pigs say "Oink!" all day and night. |
| 17:13.13 | alestane | Anyway, tejing, if you're trying to work with secure headers, you might want to look into a different project; the secure headers are not going to have any more information about the environment than the [flyable] and [swimming] conditions provide. |
| 17:15.08 | tejing | alestane: I understand that much about them, but the mod can change the event handler when zones change to deal with blizz's badly done [flyable] condition, since the only time that changes is a switch between servers, so you'll definitly get a moment out of combat to change it |
| 17:15.08 | alestane | But if you really want to work on that one, Livestock had a pretty comprehensive approach before 4.0. |
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| 17:17.15 | Lunessa | alestane: Livestock dealt with druid forms by making a button and /clicking it |
| 17:17.17 | Adys | tejing: if you want a good programming exercise with the wow api, i strongly, extremely strongly recommend staying away from spells/buffs |
| 17:17.25 | Adys | tejing: and in general any "secure" bullshit |
| 17:17.44 | Adys | The entire thing is a clusterfuck of ass. |
| 17:17.56 | alestane | garrotes Adys. |
| 17:18.00 | alestane | Ignore him. |
| 17:18.09 | karl_w_w | lol |
| 17:18.36 | tejing | adys: hehe, I understand what you mean, I've been reading up on this stuff, and it's definitely a mind job |
| 17:18.55 | tejing | but a concrete example will help a lot I think |
| 17:19.03 | alestane | Lunessa, that's pretty much the only way to make a keybind do anything secure. |
| 17:19.15 | tejing | even if it's not related to the way I want to apply mine |
| 17:19.36 | Lunessa | alestane: *nod* |
| 17:19.59 | Lopeppeppy | It's always worthwhile to study similar code out in the world, to see how it runs and what makes it tick. Then re-invent the wheel! |
| 17:20.03 | Lopeppeppy | ... I mean, code your own. |
| 17:20.16 | tejing | hehe |
| 17:20.28 | Adys | tejing: "mind job" is okay; I thought "clusterfuck of ass" nailed it pretty well though |
| 17:21.04 | Adys | "jokes" aside it's really not the sort of thing you want to dive in if you have no experience with the rest of the wow api |
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| 17:21.21 | Adys | best case scenario, you'll get it, and be disgusted :P |
| 17:22.11 | Adys | worst case scenario, you'll spend days wasting time on code that doesn't work because a week later you figure out you can't do it outside of a macro. next thing you know, you're hunted by cops for the murder of some blizzard employee.. |
| 17:22.20 | alestane | There's nothing wrong with the secure infrastructure aside the restrictions it has to conform to. |
| 17:22.34 | nicoli_s | lua stuff in wow isnt that bad |
| 17:22.38 | nicoli_s | try doing lua in war or rom |
| 17:22.41 | nevcairiel | its just not the easiest part of the UI to understand |
| 17:22.55 | jnwhiteh | if you understand macros then you understand the secure api =) |
| 17:23.01 | nicoli_s | or even better, flash for rift |
| 17:24.26 | tejing | alestane: I'm fine with the restrictions it has to conform to. They're pretty clear from macros and from some of the mods that try to just expose what's possible as simply as they can, like macaroon |
| 17:27.54 | angayelle | !api GetAchievementComparisonInfo |
| 17:27.54 | lua_bot | GetAchievementComparisonInfo: Returns information about the comparison unit's achievements (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetAchievementComparisonInfo) |
| 17:39.32 | syrae | Lunessa: yar. That Doctor pict was really well done. :) |
| 17:40.11 | syrae | Lunessa: my favorite new "ooooh shiny" is the custom-made Fluxx someone made for the new Who. http://blogtorwho.blogspot.com/2011/01/custom-made-doctor-who-fluxx-card-game.html |
| 17:40.17 | syrae | Because Fluxx is awesome |
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| 17:46.36 | Lunessa | syrae: I'm not familiar with it, but then I'm only 4 episodes into season 5. |
| 17:47.28 | syrae | Fluxx is an existing card game. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluxx |
| 17:47.38 | syrae | Someone just made a Dr. Who themed version |
| 17:49.00 | Lunessa | neat. Looks like the kind of game I would play if I had people to play non-online games with. |
| 17:49.32 | syrae | I played it for the first time this past week. Monty Python Fluxx and Pirate Fluxx (pre-release demo version). It was quite fun |
| 17:49.35 | Lunessa | It also reminds me slightly of "Family Business" which is a mafia card game. |
| 17:50.28 | Lopeppeppy | Chez Geek! |
| 17:50.59 | syrae | :) |
| 17:51.18 | syrae | ~400 geeks on a boat for 7 days == best thing ever |
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| 17:52.48 | buduk | hey guys, i want to create an addon for wow, and would like some advice on a good ide i can start with, any suggestions ? |
| 17:52.57 | cogwheel | there are non |
| 17:52.59 | cogwheel | none* |
| 17:53.07 | cogwheel | use a good text editor |
| 17:53.22 | cogwheel | like notepad++, scite, vim, emacs |
| 17:53.26 | buduk | lol im surprised, ok gedit it is |
| 17:53.39 | syrae | There's no "good" IDE that is anywhere near current. Any text editor that can do Lua syntax highlighting is fine |
| 17:54.08 | cogwheel | there have been attempts in the past, but they're all very out of date and didn't really approach completeness to begin with |
| 17:54.13 | syrae | yar |
| 17:55.14 | Lopeppeppy | Best to use a good editor versus a scrapped-up IDE that doesn't work correctly anyway. |
| 18:00.03 | karl_w_w | quiz time! name 3 abilities that share diminishing returns with ring of frost |
| 18:00.27 | Shirik | vim is an ide |
| 18:00.34 | Adys | karl_w_w: repentence, sap |
| 18:00.44 | Shirik | your compile command is !gcc whatever |
| 18:00.47 | Adys | repentance*, sap, and wyvern sting |
| 18:00.47 | Shirik | Your make command is !make |
| 18:00.49 | syrae | Shirik: IDE versus a WoW addon development specific IDE |
| 18:00.50 | karl_w_w | good good :P |
| 18:01.01 | mckenziemc | feels groggy after Resuming from Standby. |
| 18:01.06 | mckenziemc | (power nap) |
| 18:01.10 | Shirik | Your "Run wow with this file" command is !/path/to/wow.exe |
| 18:01.49 | karl_w_w | Adys wins a bonus prize for getting 3 and not even using the obvious one! |
| 18:01.49 | foxlit_ | What's your "misinterpret everything I'm about to type" command? :) |
| 18:01.59 | Adys | karl_w_w: why do you need to know? and what obvious one? |
| 18:02.05 | karl_w_w | polymorph |
| 18:02.25 | Adys | thats not in the same category, it's shared through a hack |
| 18:02.34 | Adys | its far from the obvious one |
| 18:02.41 | karl_w_w | i dont need to know, it's just been annoying me that so many people seem to think ring of frost doesnt share dr with anything except itself |
| 18:02.52 | Adys | ah |
| 18:03.16 | Adys | i believe it shares with cyclone too |
| 18:03.19 | Lunessa | foxlit_: start vim |
| 18:03.23 | Adys | im not sure |
| 18:03.31 | karl_w_w | it's not shared through a hack, polymorph is on the same dr as the 3 you mentioned, and it's the obvious one because mages also have it :P |
| 18:03.36 | mckenziemc | lol Lunessa |
| 18:04.01 | Cide | I think Adys is talking from a database perspective |
| 18:04.05 | Cide | he has some experience in that area |
| 18:04.47 | Adys | DRs work through categories, polymorph isn't in the same DR category as ring of frost; it shares its DR, but spells that share DR with polymorph will not necessarily share DR with ring of frost |
| 18:04.52 | Adys | hence making the whole thing a hack |
| 18:04.58 | Adys | for example, hex and rof don't share |
| 18:05.12 | Lunessa | Hex = love |
| 18:05.24 | karl_w_w | i see |
| 18:05.28 | Adys | puts a hex on amro's sister |
| 18:07.04 | amro | puts a sister on Adys's hex |
| 18:07.36 | karl_w_w | are any of these sisters hot? |
| 18:07.42 | Lopeppeppy | puts an amro on the hex's sister. |
| 18:08.13 | Adys | puts a Cide on Lopeppeppy's sister, in hex |
| 18:08.18 | Cide | what?! |
| 18:08.29 | Adys | you're supposed to say that in hex |
| 18:10.00 | Cide | 77 68 61 74 3F 21 |
| 18:10.15 | Adys | took your bloody time |
| 18:10.21 | Adys | next time dont use spaces |
| 18:10.36 | Cide | I accidentally mixed up the argument order for map() |
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| 18:12.55 | Adys | Cide: er |
| 18:13.11 | Adys | "".join(hex(chr(x)) for x in "what?!") |
| 18:13.49 | Adys | er |
| 18:13.51 | Adys | ord, not char |
| 18:13.51 | Cide | I did map(lambda c: "%02x" % chr(c), "what?!") |
| 18:13.54 | Cide | yeah, that |
| 18:14.14 | Adys | make that |
| 18:14.18 | Adys | "".join(hex(ord(x))[2:] for x in "what?!") |
| 18:14.36 | Adys | i dont like map() |
| 18:14.46 | Cide | I like it |
| 18:14.52 | Cide | but it's mostly a generator expression anyway |
| 18:17.00 | cogwheel | http://notalwaysright.com/a-mother-with-breast-intentions/9444 <-- how is that NOT right? If more moms were like that the world would be a much better place |
| 18:17.18 | cogwheel | (or at least the US) |
| 18:17.42 | Cide | it is definitely right |
| 18:17.48 | Adys | buys God of War |
| 18:17.48 | Cide | but I'm swedish |
| 18:18.02 | Cide | gotta get real you know |
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| 18:18.47 | Lunessa | My son loves breasts! |
| 18:19.01 | Cide | yours too? |
| 18:19.13 | Cide | it's an epidemic! |
| 18:19.28 | Lopeppeppy | My son... wait, I don't have one. |
| 18:19.35 | Adys | [18:18:23] <Lunessa> My son loves breasts! |
| 18:19.36 | Adys | [18:18:37] <+Cide> yours too? |
| 18:19.39 | Adys | Points for the innuendo |
| 18:19.44 | Adys | ~cide++ |
| 18:19.45 | cogwheel | hehe |
| 18:19.45 | Cide | lol |
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| 18:22.15 | mckenziemc | >.> |
| 18:22.23 | Cide | wtb my g11 keyboard's media player controls working in linux |
| 18:22.25 | Cide | any takers? |
| 18:22.28 | Lunessa | A son, I don't has. Any volunteers to gestate one for me? |
| 18:22.32 | Adys | Cide: xkb |
| 18:22.43 | Cide | I need to configure something? |
| 18:22.46 | Cide | that's so annoying |
| 18:23.09 | Adys | Cide: theres probably some tool for it but I'd edit xkb files |
| 18:23.16 | Adys | then again, i do that for my entire layout |
| 18:23.23 | Cide | umad? |
| 18:23.36 | Adys | it's easy enough tbh |
| 18:23.42 | Cide | but time consuming |
| 18:23.50 | Adys | but you'd need to look up the keycode for the keys |
| 18:23.53 | Adys | also |
| 18:23.57 | Adys | wtf do you need media keys for |
| 18:24.09 | Cide | I have spotify running on a separate virtual desktop |
| 18:24.20 | Cide | don't want to switch just to change song |
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| 18:28.03 | Shirik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HM9tyNkUAg&feature=player_embedded#! |
| 18:28.11 | Shirik | The only good use of poker face I have ever seen |
| 18:28.21 | Lunessa | Wow, not one volunteer. I must need more charisma. |
| 18:28.38 | Cide | sorry |
| 18:28.46 | Cide | our configurations mismatch |
| 18:29.01 | Lunessa | Indeed. They do. |
| 18:29.40 | Lunessa | But D&D games have taught me that I only need to roll really high on a Bluff check and have lots of Charisma rto get whatever I want. |
| 18:30.26 | Adys | Lunessa: gimme a hundred bucks and ill find you a test tube |
| 18:30.46 | Lunessa | Ahhh... Maintenance.... 500 The server is prone to explode, so use with caution. Error ID: X9GPF |
| 18:33.34 | cogwheel | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1827668849#5 Not sure i was mean enough... |
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| 18:34.25 | Cide | you weren't |
| 18:34.36 | Cide | if you have to ask, you weren't |
| 18:35.04 | Shirik | ha cogwheel |
| 18:35.11 | Shirik | I like how she accepted the second macro |
| 18:35.13 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, I'm only practicing, not procreating, sorry. |
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| 18:35.29 | Shirik | hi Cide |
| 18:35.36 | Cide | hey |
| 18:35.39 | cogwheel | i crashed cide |
| 18:35.44 | Cide | nah, restarted x |
| 18:36.15 | Cide | so now the media keys work |
| 18:36.19 | Cide | but only for the active window |
| 18:36.19 | Cide | fml |
| 18:37.16 | Lunessa | cogwheel: You had to point out the wooooosh noise was the snark flying past her, didn't you. /sigh/ |
| 18:37.30 | Lunessa | And Lopeppeppy any time for the practicing. any time. |
| 18:37.48 | Lopeppeppy | Aww, my blushes! |
| 18:39.38 | Lunessa | is incorrigible. |
| 18:40.20 | Cide | what're you up to shirik? |
| 18:41.20 | Ackis | cogwheel: can you set me up a shadow priest macro so I can mash 1 button pls? |
| 18:42.52 | karl_w_w | cogwheel: not nearly mean enough |
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| 18:43.54 | Shirik | nothing Cide |
| 18:43.58 | Shirik | waiting for servers |
| 18:44.02 | Cide | sounds fun |
| 18:44.52 | Primer | sigh...another request for an "altimeter"... |
| 18:45.05 | Shirik | I had gotten half way through making one |
| 18:45.11 | Primer | adds a FAQ question, which no one will read anyhow |
| 18:45.14 | Shirik | It can be done |
| 18:45.18 | Shirik | Just nobody wants to |
| 18:45.27 | Primer | Shirik: except it could never truly be accurate |
| 18:45.29 | Lopeppeppy | encorriges Lunessa way too often. |
| 18:45.29 | karl_w_w | wtb altimeter |
| 18:45.40 | Shirik | Perhaps in your closed-minded world |
| 18:45.44 | Lunessa | *snicker* |
| 18:45.58 | Primer | Shirik: I'm down for trying |
| 18:45.58 | Cide | Shirik can make an altimeter from a piece of tape and a pen |
| 18:46.06 | Cide | don't go telling him it can't be done |
| 18:46.11 | Primer | Shirik: it'd very appropriate for my addon |
| 18:46.14 | Shirik | We have the information to be able to do some basic calculus to get it done, I already proved it |
| 18:46.18 | Primer | it's, even |
| 18:46.23 | Mr_Rabies | are real altimeters based on sea level? |
| 18:46.32 | Shirik | sea level and barometric pressure |
| 18:46.33 | Shirik | yes |
| 18:46.34 | Mr_Rabies | i can't imagine how else they'd work |
| 18:46.37 | Mr_Rabies | yeah |
| 18:46.43 | Primer | Shirik: well, I imagine you're taking about using pitch and speed |
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| 18:46.54 | Lunessa | Shirik would make an entire jet-fighter from bubblegum, tape and an empty pen tube, then go on to conquer all of China. He's just /that/ good. |
| 18:46.57 | Primer | Shirik: problem is you won't be able to establish a "base" |
| 18:47.10 | Primer | unless everyone calibrates in the same spot |
| 18:47.29 | Primer | or you map every possible starting point |
| 18:47.36 | Lopeppeppy | admires Shirik's pen-man-ship |
| 18:47.37 | Lunessa | Primer: It would just get more accurate over the course of your travels. |
| 18:47.48 | Mr_Rabies | so if you're going in a straight line and pass over a mountain, your altimeter should have roughly the same numbers irl, correct? i can't imagine it being accurate for measuring anything otherwise |
| 18:48.05 | Shirik | correct Mr_Rabies |
| 18:48.17 | Shirik | Though most aircraft these days are outfitted with a GPS too |
| 18:48.27 | Mr_Rabies | i'm not a airplane mechanic |
| 18:48.29 | Shirik | the aircraft I work on would yell at you as well for having an altitude differential |
| 18:48.30 | Primer | Shirik: So how to you handle holding down space without horizontal movement? |
| 18:48.36 | Mr_Rabies | my brother is but hey things are weird with him :p |
| 18:48.39 | Mr_Rabies | i can't exactly ask him |
| 18:48.44 | Shirik | Primer: I'll send you the code sometime |
| 18:48.50 | Shirik | I've already gotten most of these things taken care of |
| 18:48.56 | Shirik | This goes back literally years |
| 18:49.00 | Primer | Shirik: So what stopped you? |
| 18:49.03 | Shirik | time |
| 18:49.15 | Shirik | it's not exactly an easy endeavor |
| 18:49.18 | Shirik | there's a lot of things to consider |
| 18:49.23 | Shirik | plus calculus is not fun in WoW |
| 18:49.27 | Shirik | I proved that with auctioneer |
| 18:49.30 | Lunessa | And ... for the most part, not very useful. |
| 18:49.33 | Shirik | hey |
| 18:49.39 | Shirik | the pricing models on auctioneer are awesome |
| 18:49.49 | Lunessa | No, I meant the altimiter. |
| 18:49.51 | Shirik | oh |
| 18:50.02 | Lunessa | altimeter even |
| 18:50.32 | Primer | The way I see it, there'd have to be an elevation map |
| 18:50.39 | Primer | meaning, exploring the entire world and taking readings |
| 18:50.43 | Cide | not really |
| 18:50.52 | Cide | depends on if you want height over ground level or over a baseline |
| 18:51.02 | Primer | If you want to know "height above ground" you do |
| 18:51.05 | Cide | over ground level is more useful naturally but ridiculous |
| 18:51.12 | Shirik | it's not that hard |
| 18:51.16 | Lunessa | Blizzard has pretty much flatly denied all requests for expose the z-axis information. |
| 18:51.17 | Primer | that's why people would want it |
| 18:51.19 | Shirik | when you consider how many people play the game |
| 18:51.21 | Cide | once you have the z-map it isn't |
| 18:51.23 | Dewin | I wish there was height data for gathered herbs. |
| 18:51.33 | Shirik | building a mesh out of known data points is fairly trivial |
| 18:51.36 | syrae | What do you call a druid in tree form who melees? A combat log. <-- worse WoW joke ever? |
| 18:51.38 | Dewin | so things like Routes could factor that into TSP |
| 18:51.42 | Cide | until you get to vashj'ir! |
| 18:51.50 | Shirik | syrae: Awesome |
| 18:51.55 | Primer | or Deepholm |
| 18:52.04 | Cide | vashj'ir is orders of magnitude worse |
| 18:52.08 | Primer | sure |
| 18:52.14 | foxlit_ | /care |
| 18:52.26 | foxlit_ | It strikes me that Routes itself is entirely pointless. |
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| 18:52.50 | Dewin | howso? |
| 18:52.53 | jnwhiteh | ? |
| 18:53.09 | foxlit_ | In that you, looking at a map of points, can usually solve the "where should I go to get herbs?" problem without requiring any additional assistance. |
| 18:53.19 | karl_w_w | routes is for people with no ability to visualise |
| 18:53.29 | Dewin | I can solve the problem yes, but I want the absolute most optimal route :-p |
| 18:53.31 | Shirik | How does routes solve the problem anyway/ |
| 18:53.38 | Shirik | Isn't it the travelling salesman problem? |
| 18:53.41 | Dewin | Yes. |
| 18:53.46 | foxlit_ | It's worse than TSP |
| 18:53.46 | jnwhiteh | ant colony optimization, yes |
| 18:53.47 | Shirik | Does it do an estimate or actual solution? |
| 18:53.49 | Shirik | ok |
| 18:53.55 | Primer | Shirik: Anyhow, I'd like to see your altimeter code |
| 18:54.00 | Dewin | It's an estimate. |
| 18:54.00 | jnwhiteh | the clustering is the best part |
| 18:54.02 | Cide | regardless |
| 18:54.06 | Primer | I'll take a stab at it |
| 18:54.08 | jnwhiteh | foxlit_: I dont like having to open my map every 3 seconds |
| 18:54.11 | jnwhiteh | the new zones are not nice |
| 18:54.17 | Primer | not that I have that much time either :/ |
| 18:54.19 | Cide | the optimal path is only optimal if you're the only one mining in the zone, in practice |
| 18:54.22 | jnwhiteh | especially deepholme |
| 18:54.24 | Shirik | It takes me more than 3 seconds to open my map |
| 18:54.48 | Cide | clearly an optimized map reader is needed |
| 18:55.04 | Primer | works with maps for a living |
| 18:55.14 | Dewin | Having the line drawn on my map makes the herbs stand out without having to actually clutter my minimap with gatherer nodes too, in an odd sort of way |
| 18:55.16 | Cide | how is that relevant? :P |
| 18:55.22 | foxlit_ | Deepholme is just useless, period. |
| 18:55.30 | Dewin | My only complaint with Routes is it's too clunky to set up a new one |
| 18:55.31 | foxlit_ | e? Deepholm! |
| 18:56.04 | foxlit_ | [I still have more Heartblossom from launch than I know what to do with.] |
| 18:56.24 | Dewin | I managed to dump all of mine. |
| 18:56.38 | foxlit_ | Maybe I'll level inscription with them. Or something. |
| 18:56.43 | Primer | So...anyone got a DK tank? Do I still shoot for stacking stam, but also go for socket bonuses? Seems that avoidance is desirable again |
| 18:56.56 | Buduk | whats is the current interface version ? |
| 18:57.03 | Buduk | ah nvm just read topic :/ |
| 18:57.05 | Shirik | Primer: I know a competent DK tank |
| 18:57.10 | Shirik | He strongly suggests stacking stamina |
| 18:57.21 | Shirik | But I know another that goes with the crowd saying mastery is the way to go |
| 18:57.25 | Primer | Shirik: and disregarding socket bonuses? |
| 18:57.27 | Dewin | heh. |
| 18:57.29 | Shirik | they fight with each other |
| 18:57.38 | Dewin | Bear tank is nuts. We go so far as to pick up the agi head and shoulder enchants over stam. |
| 18:57.42 | Primer | well, I've seen the amount of healing a DK tank does. It's impressive |
| 18:57.42 | Shirik | only if the socket bonus is mastery or stamina |
| 18:57.46 | Shirik | Dude |
| 18:57.48 | Shirik | It's not impressive |
| 18:57.49 | Shirik | It pisses me off |
| 18:57.52 | Primer | I mean, I had one doing 5k HPS |
| 18:57.57 | Shirik | Seeing the tank outhealing you during trash is not cool |
| 18:57.58 | Primer | in last week's raid |
| 18:58.18 | foxlit_ | How about a tank outhealing you on Chimaeron? |
| 18:59.15 | Lulia | Never fear, they'll nerf it :) |
| 18:59.35 | Primer | Blizzard's refusal to add z-axis info is strictly to prevent botting, right? I can't think of any other reason |
| 19:00.37 | Ackis | Shirik: that's because you're a bad priest! ;) |
| 19:00.39 | Lulia | Sometimes I feel like Blizzard just enjoys restricting info and access to certain things |
| 19:00.46 | Shirik | ow |
| 19:00.46 | Lulia | Like the World Raid Marker function... |
| 19:00.47 | Shirik | not cool |
| 19:00.56 | Ackis | ~hug Shirik |
| 19:00.56 | purl | ACTION jumps into Shirik's lap and huggles and *hugs* Shirik |
| 19:01.14 | mckenziemc1 | o.o |
| 19:02.54 | Ackis | Shirik: they're nerfing our mana regen, PoH and lightwell |
| 19:03.02 | Shirik | since when? |
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| 19:03.17 | Shirik | they made more changes? |
| 19:03.17 | Ackis | more just posted |
| 19:03.17 | Ackis | the mana regen was from before |
| 19:03.20 | Shirik | got a link? |
| 19:03.23 | Shirik | I didn't see that |
| 19:03.32 | Ackis | http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/2144-Patch-4.0.6-PTR-Build-13482 |
| 19:04.20 | Shirik | I don't see any regen changes |
| 19:04.50 | Cide | chakra now affects flash heal and greater heal, nice |
| 19:05.07 | foxlit_ | nerfed tree duration? boo! |
| 19:05.08 | Cide | and serenity from flash/greater/binding |
| 19:05.09 | karl_w_w | Lulia: what do you mean they restrict access to world raid marker? |
| 19:05.20 | Ackis | Shirik: from before: # Holy Concentration now increases the amount of mana regeneration from Spirit while in combat by an additional 15/30%, down from 20/40%. |
| 19:05.21 | Shirik | I don't think the lightwell change is significant |
| 19:05.24 | Shirik | the prayer of healing change is |
| 19:05.33 | Cide | lightwell change is :'( |
| 19:05.34 | Ackis | http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/2138-Patch-4.0.6-Patch-Notes-(PTR) |
| 19:05.39 | Cide | but probably not that big a deal |
| 19:05.40 | Shirik | it's not that big |
| 19:05.43 | Ackis | it's been weird using lightwell |
| 19:05.47 | Cide | 15% of spell power to 6% |
| 19:05.54 | Shirik | I don't think that's a lot |
| 19:06.04 | Shirik | even 15% wasn't a lot |
| 19:06.09 | Cide | times 15 it was |
| 19:06.18 | Shirik | perhaps |
| 19:06.25 | Ackis | everytime I use lightwell people were like "lolwell" and I was like no, it's good now |
| 19:06.26 | Shirik | But I think lightwell will still be effective |
| 19:06.32 | Cide | it will |
| 19:06.36 | Shirik | Oh no my team knows very well lightwell is awesome |
| 19:06.40 | Cide | still the most mana efficient spell in the game by far |
| 19:06.42 | Shirik | I have trouble keeping it up |
| 19:06.48 | cbreak | great, are blizzard morons? |
| 19:06.56 | Cide | what makes you think so? |
| 19:06.59 | cbreak | they buff frost dps, and ignore arcane? |
| 19:07.01 | Cide | I hate people who react like that |
| 19:07.10 | cbreak | they hate arcane mages! |
| 19:07.13 | Cide | clearly |
| 19:07.15 | cbreak | *cry* |
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| 19:07.21 | cbreak | *whimper* |
| 19:07.29 | Cide | could very well be that changes are down the pipe for the next revision pushed |
| 19:07.37 | Cide | or they're waiting to gather more data, or discussing ways to fix it, or... |
| 19:07.50 | Shirik | the poh change kinda sucks but I think it will be OK |
| 19:07.52 | cbreak | ... or no one loves us anymore! *cry* |
| 19:07.55 | Ackis | Shirik: renew got it's mana cost reduced which is nice |
| 19:07.55 | Cide | it'll be ok |
| 19:07.59 | Shirik | yes |
| 19:08.02 | Shirik | that I'm really excited about |
| 19:08.02 | Cide | priests have by far the best aoe healinga tm |
| 19:08.03 | Cide | atm |
| 19:08.08 | Shirik | yes |
| 19:08.13 | Cide | like we had two shamans and me in the raid |
| 19:08.17 | Shirik | and I have 26% mastery now |
| 19:08.18 | Shirik | rawr |
| 19:08.21 | Cide | we tried putting them both on group 1 and me on group 2 |
| 19:08.25 | Cide | but I outhealed them both |
| 19:08.26 | Shirik | 26% healing from mastery, that is |
| 19:08.35 | Cide | so we had to put them on one group each and I'd alternate poh on each group |
| 19:08.52 | Cide | that's nice |
| 19:08.57 | Cide | I wonder how your mana regen will be in raids |
| 19:09.01 | Cide | have you raided yet? |
| 19:09.07 | Shirik | today is our first |
| 19:09.11 | Cide | cool |
| 19:09.13 | Cide | which raid? |
| 19:09.14 | Shirik | I'm pretty much the best geared healer on our team |
| 19:09.19 | Shirik | so if mine is bad, we're screwed |
| 19:09.26 | Cide | best gear != best regen |
| 19:09.35 | Cide | since you've focused a lot on haste and mastery as I understand it |
| 19:09.48 | Shirik | "focused a lot on haste" |
| 19:09.56 | Shirik | If by that you mean "Tried to get rid of haste as much as I could" then yes |
| 19:09.59 | karl_w_w | Counterspell now prevents spell from that school of magic from being cast for 7 sec, down from 8 sec. <- dont suppose they'll reduce the cd |
| 19:10.01 | haste | I've focused a lot on Shirik |
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| 19:10.09 | Shirik | but no my spirit is still fair |
| 19:10.16 | Shirik | I have I believe 3500 mp5 in combat |
| 19:10.23 | Shirik | raid buffed |
| 19:10.33 | Shirik | 3221 unbuffed |
| 19:10.48 | Shirik | here's the real problem |
| 19:10.50 | Shirik | I'm signed up for the raid |
| 19:10.53 | Shirik | with 5 holy paladins |
| 19:11.01 | Ackis | hey it's almost 1/1/11 11:11:11 in the pacific |
| 19:11.13 | Shirik | You mean 1/11/11 |
| 19:12.12 | Shirik | And then of course I have heartsong |
| 19:12.32 | Shirik | Cide, I subscribe to the crew that believe in "having mana at the end of a fight is a bad thing" I think you know this |
| 19:12.52 | Shirik | Hopefully I've guessed well enough, and if not I have some spirit flasks I can bring along with me for a temporary fix until I resolve the problem |
| 19:12.53 | karl_w_w | why did frost get a pvp buff but not a pve one? |
| 19:13.00 | karl_w_w | isnt that the wrong way round? |
| 19:13.03 | foxlit_ | Horrible, Shirik, Horrible. |
| 19:13.17 | Cide | Shirik: I do too |
| 19:13.42 | Cide | but the encounters so far have been really mana intensive |
| 19:13.51 | Shirik | Also, against my strongest complaints, T4W is today |
| 19:13.58 | Cide | haven't even gone there so far |
| 19:13.59 | Dewin | 10 or 25? |
| 19:14.01 | nicoli_s | t4w? |
| 19:14.04 | Shirik | 25 |
| 19:14.14 | Cide | what are your raid times btw? |
| 19:14.19 | Shirik | 8 mountain |
| 19:14.22 | Dewin | heh, we decided we'd call off Al'Akir and went to BWD instead. |
| 19:14.33 | Dewin | Of course, we've also been plagued with 5 people having internet issues |
| 19:14.35 | Cide | ow |
| 19:14.48 | Dewin | ACCIDENTALLY got the Magmaw achievement |
| 19:15.04 | Shirik | I really want them to do BWD |
| 19:15.08 | Shirik | I think it's easier |
| 19:15.10 | Cide | bwd is easy |
| 19:15.12 | Dewin | It is. |
| 19:15.16 | cbreak | easier than? |
| 19:15.19 | Shirik | T4W |
| 19:15.21 | Dewin | Most progression guilds have been saving T4W for later |
| 19:15.24 | cbreak | only thing I ever killed was halfus |
| 19:15.33 | Cide | first two encounters are about on par with halfus |
| 19:17.18 | Shirik | tbh judging from wow-heroes, we're really screwd |
| 19:17.32 | Shirik | we only have a handful of healers that are actually ready, one of which is actually a warlock that has a priest alt |
| 19:17.40 | Shirik | Why the hell his alt is better geared than some mains is pathetic |
| 19:17.55 | Cide | some people just don't care enough to do heroics in my experience |
| 19:18.00 | Cide | which pains me |
| 19:18.02 | Dewin | Shirik: We have 6 current raiding healers, 2 of whom have internet issues. |
| 19:18.05 | Shirik | if you don't care enough to do heroics you aren't going to be in my raid |
| 19:18.11 | jnwhiteh | Shirik: how are you determining readiness? |
| 19:18.12 | Shirik | unfortunately I'm not the raid leader |
| 19:18.12 | Cide | we have this guy who has subpar healing gear but he's been leveling his alt instead of doing heroics |
| 19:18.13 | Dewin | And 2 healer apps who have made it into pretty much every single raid due to said internet issues. |
| 19:18.28 | Shirik | jnwhiteh: A combination of knowing that they have no clue what they're doing and looking at gear |
| 19:18.48 | Shirik | just stats, I'm not sure how I would describe it |
| 19:19.06 | Shirik | combat regen, spell power, the vitals |
| 19:19.07 | Cide | a good indication is if they have enchanted everything and socketed everything... |
| 19:19.14 | Shirik | yeah um |
| 19:19.19 | jnwhiteh | yeah |
| 19:19.20 | Shirik | heh |
| 19:19.28 | Shirik | let me pick a random one |
| 19:20.48 | Shirik | 2 low level gems, 1 low level enchant, 2 missing enchants, no BB |
| 19:21.01 | Cide | BB? |
| 19:21.15 | Dewin | belt buckle? |
| 19:21.21 | Cide | ah yeah |
| 19:21.32 | Shirik | now don't get me wrong there are several people that are really on the ball and ready |
| 19:21.42 | Shirik | there are just several people that really don't seem to care |
| 19:22.40 | Shirik | This is what I expect to see in someone http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/Icecrown/Kiminari/advanced |
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| 19:22.53 | Shirik | all enchants,at least decent ones, a BB, and at least the 35 gems |
| 19:23.16 | Shirik | and, of course, a gear break down that makes sense for the class/spec |
| 19:23.33 | jnwhiteh | I need to enchant up |
| 19:23.38 | Shirik | except that (&#@$(*# wand |
| 19:23.50 | Dewin | At least they reforged it |
| 19:23.56 | Shirik | that's me |
| 19:24.08 | Cide | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/Doomhammer/Sighed/advanced <- me |
| 19:24.15 | karl_w_w | wands are a bitch to get a hold of |
| 19:24.23 | Shirik | haha pvp wand |
| 19:24.30 | Cide | I had a green one with hit :( |
| 19:24.39 | Shirik | me too |
| 19:24.40 | Cide | same with boots except blue |
| 19:24.42 | Shirik | interesting choice of gloves |
| 19:24.46 | Dewin | I think they accidentally a word on that belt, Cide. |
| 19:24.49 | Shirik | I thought I was the only one to do that |
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| 19:25.00 | Shirik | Why didn't you reforge the haste to spirit? |
| 19:25.10 | Cide | I've just missed it |
| 19:25.14 | Cide | saw it last night |
| 19:25.23 | jnwhiteh | this is me |
| 19:25.23 | jnwhiteh | http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/emerald-dream/derwydd/advanced |
| 19:25.25 | jnwhiteh | how un-done am I? |
| 19:25.28 | jnwhiteh | err un-ready? |
| 19:25.48 | syrae | I forget, is there a way to look at your currency numbers (non-gold stuff like Justice Points) via the Armory? |
| 19:25.49 | nevcairiel | green gems |
| 19:25.57 | nevcairiel | 6 unenchanted items |
| 19:25.58 | nevcairiel | :d |
| 19:26.02 | jnwhiteh | yes i know |
| 19:26.11 | jnwhiteh | i have green gems? |
| 19:26.18 | Fierceflame | Could someone help me solve a problem, as my text in my interface options menu doesnt wrap to several lines, but get cut off at the end, tried several things, but couldnt get it to work properly :S Code: http://toptop18.pastey.net/144754 |
| 19:26.41 | karl_w_w | im the worst :P http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/frostmourne/larwood/advanced |
| 19:26.44 | nevcairiel | chest and shoulders |
| 19:26.46 | cogwheel | jnwhiteh: check out wow-heroes.com |
| 19:26.50 | jnwhiteh | ah yeah I have 3 greens |
| 19:26.52 | karl_w_w | but we arent raiding for another couple of weeks |
| 19:27.01 | nevcairiel | you know, it lists that on the armory :) |
| 19:27.30 | jnwhiteh | yeah I see this now =) |
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| 19:27.59 | nevcairiel | I'm wearing stupid pvp bracers because i never got anything good otherwise :( |
| 19:28.13 | karl_w_w | im confused by all these people using the horrible alchemist's stone |
| 19:28.26 | Lunessa | It's iLevel359 |
| 19:28.32 | karl_w_w | you know baradin's wardens have a lovely trinket right? |
| 19:28.42 | nevcairiel | In a short to medium length fight its not that bad |
| 19:28.43 | Lunessa | Yeah, that requires you to get to exalted. |
| 19:28.55 | karl_w_w | yes, yes it does |
| 19:29.09 | karl_w_w | considering there are like a dozen TB dailies |
| 19:29.21 | jnwhiteh | karl_w_w: how is alchemist stone terrible? |
| 19:29.32 | karl_w_w | badly itemized |
| 19:29.38 | karl_w_w | unless you're a tank |
| 19:29.47 | jnwhiteh | doubling my potions each fight + master |
| 19:30.15 | jnwhiteh | mastery |
| 19:30.22 | Cide | I haven't used a single potion in cataclysm raids so far |
| 19:30.29 | Cide | since they never drop :( |
| 19:30.39 | Cide | gotta buy 'em off the ah |
| 19:30.42 | Fierceflame | (Anyone could throw in a hint as how to solve that problem? :P) |
| 19:30.46 | jnwhiteh | mysterious potion |
| 19:30.52 | jnwhiteh | level fishing, get infinite amount |
| 19:30.58 | Cide | I'm leveling fishing |
| 19:31.02 | Cide | at what level do you get it? |
| 19:31.19 | jnwhiteh | albino cavefish |
| 19:31.21 | jnwhiteh | deepholme |
| 19:31.35 | Cide | oh |
| 19:31.53 | jnwhiteh | 2 fish == 1-2 oil == 1 potion |
| 19:32.08 | jnwhiteh | 1 to 15000 health and 1 to 15000 mana, with 40% bonus |
| 19:32.28 | Cide | that's kinda meh since you only get one per fight |
| 19:32.32 | Cide | the 1-15k could screw you |
| 19:32.42 | Fierceflame | or it could be epic :P |
| 19:32.44 | jnwhiteh | it scales |
| 19:32.47 | karl_w_w | i thought there was a reason they didnt have wildvine potions since the original |
| 19:32.48 | jnwhiteh | according to alchemy skill |
| 19:32.52 | jnwhiteh | so I'll never have 1 |
| 19:33.00 | Cide | well I'm not an alchemist |
| 19:33.17 | jnwhiteh | ah =) |
| 19:33.23 | jnwhiteh | it works out well with the trinket for me :P |
| 19:33.45 | Cide | for raids you want reliability, Fierceflame |
| 19:33.57 | Cide | or at least reliability on average throughout a single raid encounter |
| 19:34.09 | jnwhiteh | sure |
| 19:34.11 | jnwhiteh | this isn't for raids |
| 19:34.13 | jnwhiteh | this is for pug heroics |
| 19:34.20 | jnwhiteh | i fully flask and mana pot for raids |
| 19:34.31 | Cide | yeah, but the reliability may work out for alchemists if it gives you that bonus |
| 19:36.37 | karl_w_w | http://www.wowhead.com/item=62472 procs int instead of mastery in 4.0.6 |
| 19:36.56 | karl_w_w | gotta be better than the alch stone |
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| 19:37.42 | jnwhiteh | no idea what that faction even is |
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| 19:37.43 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 19:37.51 | jnwhiteh | i'll take something better if it drops |
| 19:38.06 | jnwhiteh | but healing trinkets are not exactly dropping like rain |
| 19:38.09 | Lunessa | Fierceflame: I believe you want to use a FontString, not a FontObject. |
| 19:39.12 | karl_w_w | it's the tol barad faction |
| 19:40.14 | Buduk | http://codepad.org/5efBi5v4 the addon shows in the character screen, however doesnt do anything when loaded, anyone see what ive missed? |
| 19:40.24 | Cide | potion of concentration looks nice |
| 19:40.45 | karl_w_w | if you win tol barad on your realm you can easily hit exalted in a few days |
| 19:41.58 | Lopeppeppy | objects |
| 19:42.28 | Lunessa | karl_w_w: Yeah, considering how long it's taking some people to level up and to gear/rep up, I won't hold using a crafted trinket against them. I mean, really - how much of a douchenozzle do you have to be because someone isn't already exalted with a PVP/Dailies grind that only opens at 85? |
| 19:42.38 | karl_w_w | Buduk take <Script File="hey.lua"/> out of the xml or hey.lua out of the toc |
| 19:43.44 | Fierceflame | Lunessa, ah, that should work, stupid me ^^" |
| 19:44.10 | Lunessa | You're welcome. When in doubt, consult the API reference. |
| 19:44.13 | karl_w_w | and it might be that it's trying to print it before there is a chat to print it to, im not sure about that |
| 19:44.54 | Cide | Shirik: we have pretty similar gear overall |
| 19:45.06 | Fierceflame | Lunessa, did that, but read over that fail and read about everything that might cause it not to wrap xD Didn;t think of that |
| 19:45.13 | Buduk | thanks karl_w_w trying it now |
| 19:45.49 | karl_w_w | Lunessa if people are talking about getting ready for raids I assume they want the best gear. I figure people might like to know about a great trinket that's relatively easy to get and doesn't cost an assload to make. sorry if that makes me a douchenozzle |
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| 19:47.14 | Fierceflame | Lunessa, huh wait, I'm using fontstrings oO |
| 19:47.16 | Lunessa | No, but saying "Your trinket sucks. Go get the Tol Barad one." - does. |
| 19:47.22 | Cide | did you set a width? |
| 19:47.25 | Cide | did you set a height? |
| 19:47.25 | Lopeppeppy | Your definition of "assload" and "easy to get" and someone else's may differ. |
| 19:48.27 | karl_w_w | yes they might |
| 19:48.47 | Buduk | didnt work, i removed the .lua from toc, and then tried with it removed from the .xml and nothing |
| 19:48.51 | karl_w_w | my definition of an assload is the mats for an alchemists stone, and my definition of easy to get is a few dailies every day |
| 19:48.52 | Lunessa | For example, my mage is an alchemist and making the trinket was 5 skill-ups and a nice upgrade. That toon hasn't yet stepped foot in Tol Barad, but has done heroics. If you said "Quit using that crappy trinket and get the Tol Barad one." I'd vote to kick you so I didn't have to listen to you for the rest of the run. |
| 19:49.24 | Shirik | Cide: wtb raid gear :( |
| 19:49.34 | Fierceflame | Cide, ah I did it, working on it now to see if that helps ;) |
| 19:50.15 | Cide | Shirik: you have easy-mode epics from tailoring though |
| 19:50.24 | Shirik | wtf you talking about |
| 19:50.28 | Shirik | the tailoring epics are crap |
| 19:50.44 | Cide | oh, I thought heavenly breeze was tailoring |
| 19:50.47 | Cide | but it's valor points |
| 19:50.57 | Shirik | the only good thing is the belt |
| 19:50.59 | Shirik | which you can get from hyjal! |
| 19:51.04 | Cide | ya, got that |
| 19:51.05 | Shirik | the rest of it is DPS stuff |
| 19:51.24 | Shirik | such BS |
| 19:51.28 | Shirik | whatever happened to mooncloth tailoring |
| 19:51.35 | Cide | spiritmend~~ |
| 19:51.38 | Cide | lolol |
| 19:52.15 | Buduk | does it matter that the frame name is the same as the function name ? |
| 19:52.29 | Cide | depends on if it's created by xml or not |
| 19:52.37 | karl_w_w | Lunessa tbh if you're doing heroics but not bothering to do any dailies you're missing out on an opportunity and that's all there is to it |
| 19:52.47 | Cide | frames created by xml get a global name equal to their :GetName() |
| 19:52.57 | Cide | that's not true of frames created by CreateFrame() however |
| 19:53.12 | Shirik | wrong answer Cide |
| 19:53.16 | Lopeppeppy | Oiy, you say tomayto I say tomahto, let's all get along. |
| 19:53.18 | Cide | how so? |
| 19:53.19 | Shirik | (14:52:13) (Buduk) does it matter that the frame name is the same as the function name ? |
| 19:53.23 | Shirik | Yes, it does matter. Don't do it. |
| 19:53.28 | Shirik | Cide: Because doing it will lead to a headache |
| 19:53.29 | Cide | why? |
| 19:53.34 | Cide | it doesn't matter |
| 19:53.38 | Cide | it's perfectly fine |
| 19:53.41 | Lunessa | karl_w_w: Mage is not my main. Douchenozzle attitude is still douchenozzle attitude. |
| 19:53.41 | Shirik | it works |
| 19:53.43 | Shirik | it is not perfectly fine |
| 19:53.50 | Cide | it's prone to doing mistakes |
| 19:53.57 | Cide | but theoretically it's perfectly fine :P |
| 19:54.03 | Buduk | i changed the frame name an it still doesnt work |
| 19:54.07 | karl_w_w | your opinion amuses me |
| 19:54.13 | karl_w_w | please continue |
| 19:54.28 | Lopeppeppy | Where did I put my flyswatter? |
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| 19:54.33 | karl_w_w | if you dont like useful information i couldnt give a toss |
| 19:54.55 | karl_w_w | if you think heroics are easier than dailies carry on doing them and feel free to ignore said useful information |
| 19:55.11 | Cide | wtf are you talking about |
| 19:55.18 | cruciform | heroics are a joke when u get gear |
| 19:55.22 | cruciform | u just aoe everything just like wrath |
| 19:55.27 | cruciform | nothing has changed |
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| 19:55.37 | Lunessa | It's not that you didn't have or give useful information, it's that you were a condescending weenie about your delivery and my answer as to why people were using the trinket. |
| 19:55.38 | Cide | how many epics do you have cruciform |
| 19:55.40 | karl_w_w | offering alternative trinkets doesnt make me a douchenozzle just because i seem to have touched a nerve about your choice of trinkets |
| 19:55.43 | Cide | what's your average ilevel |
| 19:55.54 | cruciform | i don't have many |
| 19:55.58 | cruciform | 357 i think |
| 19:56.24 | Cide | my ilevel is slightly lower but even with extremely well geared tanks there are several pulls that have to be cc'd |
| 19:56.33 | cruciform | which dungeons? |
| 19:56.35 | Cide | not all of them mind you, but you can't just aoe everything |
| 19:56.52 | cruciform | 90% of them you can |
| 19:57.02 | karl_w_w | they still take a lot longer than dailies |
| 19:57.16 | Cide | the pulls in vortex pinnacle around the electric triangles |
| 19:57.28 | cruciform | all you do is pull behind a wall, mark the healers |
| 19:57.33 | cruciform | and cleave em to death |
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| 19:57.58 | Cide | the pulls with all the hunters in throne of the tides |
| 19:58.03 | Cide | capable of one-shotting pretty well geared tanks |
| 19:58.03 | Shirik | oh dude |
| 19:58.05 | Shirik | I love that pull |
| 19:58.08 | Shirik | MC |
| 19:58.10 | cruciform | i shieldwall pull those |
| 19:58.11 | Cide | yeah, I know |
| 19:58.16 | cruciform | cause its a 2m cooldown.. |
| 19:58.23 | cruciform | and we aoe the mdown |
| 19:58.25 | Shirik | First time I MCed, I thought it broke early |
| 19:58.31 | Cide | lol same |
| 19:58.32 | Shirik | I was yelling about it in vent |
| 19:58.34 | Cide | but the mob died |
| 19:58.37 | Shirik | and then they were like "no it died" |
| 19:58.41 | Cide | even so |
| 19:58.46 | Cide | the bosses are less of a joke even with gear |
| 19:58.50 | Cide | especially if your group composition is bad |
| 19:58.55 | cruciform | what bosses |
| 19:59.02 | Cide | don't be such a fucking dickface |
| 19:59.05 | cruciform | duno u must run with mongoloids |
| 19:59.09 | Cide | not really |
| 19:59.12 | cruciform | yes really |
| 19:59.13 | Shirik | (14:59:00) (+Cide) don't be such a fucking dickface |
| 19:59.18 | Shirik | Approximately my sentiments |
| 19:59.28 | Cide | last night we did lost city with 4 melee |
| 19:59.34 | Cide | first boss was a pain in the ass |
| 19:59.41 | cruciform | why |
| 19:59.57 | Cide | because the mines end up on top of all the melee |
| 20:00.05 | Cide | since they spawn near players |
| 20:00.39 | Cide | the final boss is also a pain with 4 melee since the servants end up debuffing people with the +damage since they're all melee |
| 20:00.59 | cruciform | you couldn't kick a melee? |
| 20:01.01 | Fierceflame | Cide, Lunessa, Setting height solved it :D Thanks :D Stupid that it was not properly determined by anchors :P |
| 20:01.07 | Cide | why would we? |
| 20:01.18 | cruciform | because you are crying about it being hard with 4 melee |
| 20:01.20 | cruciform | ?? |
| 20:01.20 | Cide | it was a guild run and we do first come first serve |
| 20:01.23 | Cide | I'm not crying |
| 20:01.24 | cruciform | i see |
| 20:01.29 | Cide | I'm saying you're wrong |
| 20:01.43 | cruciform | im saying you and your guild are mongoloids that probably S key around instances |
| 20:01.48 | cruciform | and die in fire |
| 20:01.53 | Shirik | Ok |
| 20:01.56 | Cide | not at all the case, thanks |
| 20:02.00 | Shirik | You're one step from getting kicked |
| 20:02.04 | Shirik | That was unnecessary |
| 20:02.19 | cruciform | heh |
| 20:02.30 | Cide | admitting that the dungeons have non-trivial bosses for groups with 4 melee != being retarded |
| 20:03.05 | Buduk | its fine if u kite imo |
| 20:03.11 | Cide | also try healing the last boss of lost city with four people getting the "going south" achievement |
| 20:03.17 | Buduk | but my addon still doesnt work after trying things, so suggestions are welcome |
| 20:04.31 | Lopeppeppy | Boduk, did you pastey the full code into the site linked in the topic? |
| 20:04.40 | Buduk | i stuck it in codepad |
| 20:04.44 | Buduk | ill repaste if u want |
| 20:05.10 | Lopeppeppy | Gotta paste a link to it, wherever it is, and it has to be to all of the code, in case the error starts soemwhere you're not expecting |
| 20:05.19 | Buduk | yeh i did, |
| 20:05.23 | Buduk | ill redoe it |
| 20:05.27 | Buduk | redo* |
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| 20:06.28 | Cide | Shirik: also, strange metagem choice |
| 20:06.35 | Shirik | why? |
| 20:06.37 | Shirik | Have a better idea? |
| 20:06.49 | Cide | 54 spirit and 3% increased critical healing |
| 20:07.11 | Shirik | ew crit |
| 20:07.16 | Cide | but spirit |
| 20:07.20 | Cide | 2% mana is nothing |
| 20:07.26 | Shirik | 54 int is |
| 20:07.31 | Shirik | and 2% mana is more than you might thing |
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| 20:07.39 | Buduk | http://codepad.org/hELHStQS |
| 20:07.39 | Shirik | shadowfiend and hymn of hope do play a role in that |
| 20:07.45 | Shirik | as well as other regen effects |
| 20:07.50 | Cide | innervate too :P |
| 20:07.52 | Cide | and mana tide |
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| 20:08.18 | Cide | and also with serenity I think critical healing is quite a regular occurence |
| 20:08.27 | Buduk | it shows in character screen, just doesnt do anything when i load character |
| 20:08.28 | Shirik | are you agreeing with me now? |
| 20:08.34 | Cide | no :P |
| 20:08.37 | Shirik | I'm confused then |
| 20:08.39 | Cide | mana tide and innervate are based off spirit iirc |
| 20:08.49 | Shirik | Innervate is off the caster's mana, soon to be the target's mana |
| 20:08.52 | Shirik | mana tide I don't know |
| 20:08.57 | Cide | also |
| 20:09.00 | foxlit_ | "Innervate is off the caster's mana, soon to be the target's mana" << wait, what? |
| 20:09.02 | Cide | it's 3% increased healing from critical strikes |
| 20:09.07 | Cide | not +3% crit |
| 20:09.07 | Buduk | mana tide increases spirit by 350% |
| 20:09.11 | Shirik | oh |
| 20:09.18 | Shirik | ok that's a little better Cide |
| 20:10.43 | Shirik | foxlit_: I swear I saw a change to innervate |
| 20:10.45 | Shirik | now I can't find it |
| 20:10.56 | karl_w_w | Buduk: </UI> -> </Ui> |
| 20:11.06 | karl_w_w | I can't see anything else wrong with it |
| 20:11.12 | foxlit_ | lua> 0.90*1+0.10*2, 0.87*1+0.13*2, 0.90*1+0.10*2*1.03 |
| 20:11.15 | lua_bot | foxlit_: 1.1, 1.13, 1.106 |
| 20:11.16 | Cide | brb |
| 20:11.24 | karl_w_w | and i doubt the case would cause a problem |
| 20:11.36 | Buduk | ill try it |
| 20:11.41 | Shirik | Cide: But don't you stay in sanctuary most of the time anyway? |
| 20:11.47 | foxlit_ | lua> 0.70*1+0.30*2, 0.67*1+0.33*2, 0.70*1+0.30*2*1.03 |
| 20:11.49 | lua_bot | foxlit_: 1.3, 1.33, 1.318 |
| 20:12.18 | Buduk | karl_w_w: thanks, that WAS the problem! |
| 20:13.00 | foxlit | Strikes me that +3% crit is better than +3% crit effect. |
| 20:13.42 | Shirik | I guess that depends on your rate of crit, no? |
| 20:13.54 | karl_w_w | thats what i was thinking |
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| 20:14.47 | Xyphoid | revitalising was always bad before cata due to overhealing, right? |
| 20:15.13 | Cide1 | at least for wrath, yes |
| 20:15.59 | foxlit | (1-p-0.03)+(p+0.03)*2 = (1-p) + p * 2.06 |
| 20:17.16 | foxlit | 1.03 + p = 1 + 1.06 * p ==> 0.03 = 0.06 p |
| 20:17.31 | foxlit | You probably won't attain 50% crit this expansion? |
| 20:18.06 | Shirik | I MIGHT |
| 20:18.09 | Cide1 | why do you ask? |
| 20:18.15 | karl_w_w | the 3% is actually 9% |
| 20:18.19 | Cide1 | also holy priests get 35% crit bonus on single target healing |
| 20:18.31 | Shirik | yeah we get 35% for free |
| 20:18.33 | karl_w_w | at least it will be if it follows what chaotic does |
| 20:18.37 | Shirik | but any holy priest that is stacking crit needs to be shot |
| 20:18.50 | Shirik | for the record we don't get 35% for free |
| 20:18.56 | Shirik | but might as well say that since everyone else is |
| 20:19.23 | TC-Work | anyone here used drupal? |
| 20:19.29 | Shirik | We get 37.5% for free |
| 20:19.30 | TC-Work | or use |
| 20:19.50 | Cide1 | and it's 3%, not 9% |
| 20:20.14 | Cide1 | yeah yeah Shirik |
| 20:20.19 | Shirik | actually foxlit, I'm at 48% crit rate already |
| 20:20.23 | Shirik | and I have gotten rid of crit with a passion |
| 20:20.28 | foxlit | nerf priests, honestly. |
| 20:20.39 | foxlit | Is there anything that you don't do? :) |
| 20:20.45 | Cide1 | it's only on single target healing and not with 100% uptime |
| 20:21.09 | Shirik | Priests are being nerfed :( |
| 20:21.19 | Shirik | but chakra is being buffed lol |
| 20:21.19 | Cide1 | lua> 6/10.5*1.25 |
| 20:21.20 | lua_bot | Cide1: 0.71428571428571 |
| 20:21.24 | Cide1 | err |
| 20:21.28 | Cide1 | lua> 6/10.5*25 |
| 20:21.29 | lua_bot | Cide1: 14.285714285714 |
| 20:21.38 | Cide1 | it's only ^ on average |
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| 20:21.44 | Cide1 | * 1.1 |
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| 20:22.48 | Shirik | wtf math is that |
| 20:23.00 | Cide1 | serenity is 6 second buff, 10.5 second cooldown |
| 20:23.24 | Shirik | oh |
| 20:23.33 | Shirik | so you didn't do the whole thing |
| 20:23.40 | Shirik | It's not really fair to do it that way |
| 20:23.47 | Cide1 | what do you mean by whole thing |
| 20:24.33 | Shirik | lua> (10.5-6)/10.5 * 1.1 * 1.25 + 6/10.5 * 1.1 * 1.25 |
| 20:24.33 | lua_bot | Shirik: 1.375 |
| 20:24.38 | Shirik | oops |
| 20:24.45 | Shirik | lua> (10.5-6)/10.5 * 1.1 + 6/10.5 * 1.1 * 1.25 |
| 20:24.45 | lua_bot | Shirik: 1.2571428571429 |
| 20:24.59 | Shirik | That's what our crit rate is on average |
| 20:25.12 | Cide1 | yeah |
| 20:25.46 | Cide1 | from chakra |
| 20:25.53 | foxlit | Nature's Bounty is a scam, really |
| 20:25.54 | Cide1 | I have 9% crit baseline myself |
| 20:26.06 | foxlit | Ends up close to 90% crit on regrowth; that 10% hit is annoying. |
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| 20:29.01 | Buduk | PARTY_MEMBERS_CHANGED - could i use this event to get a list of party members? |
| 20:29.08 | Buduk | or more specifically, should i? |
| 20:29.13 | Cide1 | 'should i'? |
| 20:29.17 | Cide1 | that's a strange question |
| 20:29.38 | Buduk | i am really unfamiliar with wow events, and this seems to be best match |
| 20:29.50 | Cide1 | it all depends what you want to do |
| 20:29.55 | Cide1 | and on that note, brb pancakes |
| 20:30.04 | Buduk | i want to store a list of party members for future reference, |
| 20:30.13 | Buduk | to make a shitlist |
| 20:30.16 | Buduk | of sorts |
| 20:30.47 | Cide1 | I would have guessed that's already donde |
| 20:30.48 | Cide1 | done |
| 20:30.50 | Cide1 | now pancakes |
| 20:31.10 | Buduk | probably but the caveat is to do it myself, |
| 20:32.45 | Buduk | so, do i use that event or is there a better one ? |
| 20:34.46 | Niya | If you just want to store a list of party members, that seems like a good way? |
| 20:35.02 | Buduk | yeh thats all i wanna do at the moment, |
| 20:35.17 | Niya | Sounds good to me |
| 20:35.43 | Buduk | would that also work for raid groups, or is there another for those? |
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| 20:39.35 | Shirik | wtf |
| 20:39.37 | Shirik | Casting Flash Heal while under the effects of both Surge of Light and Inner Focus will now only consume Surge of Light. |
| 20:39.45 | Cide1 | how's that a wtf? |
| 20:39.46 | Shirik | Why couldn't they do this... I dunno.... 2 YEARS AGO when I complained about it |
| 20:40.25 | Shirik | see |
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| 20:40.27 | Shirik | even freenode wtf'd |
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| 20:40.29 | Cide1 | maybe they didn't have the tech! |
| 20:40.42 | TC-Work | http://media.trb.com/media/photo/2009-08/23961969190480-28084601.jpg |
| 20:41.25 | Cide1 | win |
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| 20:43.35 | TC-Work | eh, no one important got split anyway |
| 20:44.32 | karl_w_w | comforts lua_bot |
| 20:48.17 | mikma | split this |
| 20:50.09 | Lunessa | mikma: did you make the required somatic gesture? |
| 20:50.29 | mikma | no, i just turned my away on |
| 20:51.51 | boshi_dev | anyone know UnitGetIncomingHeals returns ? an array of unit/spell/amount ? |
| 20:52.04 | Cide1 | try it and see |
| 20:53.16 | karl_w_w | !api unitgetincomingh |
| 20:53.17 | lua_bot | UnitGetIncomingHeals: This function is not yet documented (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/UnitGetIncomingHeals) |
| 20:53.21 | karl_w_w | sad |
| 20:53.22 | Shirik | Anyone ever used COUNT(DISTINCT)? |
| 20:53.26 | Shirik | in MySQL |
| 20:53.37 | Cide1 | no |
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| 20:54.09 | Shirik | that's because you're a Pg fanboy |
| 20:54.16 | krka | COUNT(DRACULA) |
| 20:54.19 | Cide1 | it's so much better |
| 20:54.21 | Cide1 | ! |
| 20:54.24 | Cide1 | but anyway |
| 20:54.28 | Shirik | hey cide |
| 20:54.32 | Shirik | can pgsql do this? |
| 20:54.44 | Cide1 | yes |
| 20:54.48 | airtonix | rejoice |
| 20:55.23 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/144759 |
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| 20:55.51 | Cide1 | I don't know if the output will be the same |
| 20:56.05 | Shirik | pgsql has an "EXPLAIN" syntax? |
| 20:56.13 | Cide1 | I would imagine it would be different since it would probably employ about 10^12 more optimizations |
| 20:56.28 | Cide1 | http://www.postgresql.org/docs/8.1/static/sql-explain.html |
| 20:56.44 | airtonix | sounds like the pauline hanson syntax |
| 20:56.44 | karl_w_w | burn |
| 20:56.47 | Shirik | huh |
| 20:57.58 | airtonix | pauline hanson was a politician that was introduced into high level australian political arena by a "king maker" for the purpose of de-throning paul keating. |
| 20:58.18 | airtonix | her previous occupation : fish and chip shop owner |
| 20:58.27 | airtonix | famous quote : Please Explain! |
| 20:59.14 | airtonix | maybe she was a dalek |
| 20:59.19 | jnwhiteh | yay |
| 20:59.24 | jnwhiteh | int based alchemist stone next patch |
| 20:59.41 | foxlit | ! |
| 20:59.53 | mikma | meh |
| 21:00.09 | foxlit | and haste, too |
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| 21:00.55 | foxlit | int on bracers, too |
| 21:01.01 | foxlit | wru 2H staff enchant, though? |
| 21:01.11 | karl_w_w | what specs value haste atm? |
| 21:01.51 | airtonix | "Back Pedalling Paladin" Spec |
| 21:02.21 | Buduk | what identifier could i use to print the event response string ? |
| 21:02.30 | airtonix | print ? |
| 21:02.31 | Cide1 | `print` |
| 21:02.42 | mikma | print("fuck this: "..myshit) |
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| 21:03.07 | Cide1 | don't be a fishgiver |
| 21:03.14 | karl_w_w | you shouldnt fuck shit |
| 21:03.42 | Buduk | umm, ..myshit would be what ? |
| 21:03.42 | Cide1 | www.lua.org/pil |
| 21:03.42 | airtonix | isn't it obvious ? |
| 21:03.42 | Cide1 | read it and come back |
| 21:04.09 | Buduk | i think you missunderstand, i have the event then when it triggers how can i see the result that comes from the server |
| 21:04.21 | Cide1 | I think you misunderstand |
| 21:04.24 | airtonix | ???!?!?! |
| 21:04.26 | Cide1 | go learn how to program and come back |
| 21:04.42 | Buduk | how does this have to do with programming ? |
| 21:04.59 | Cide1 | you clearly seem to be clueless |
| 21:05.13 | Cide1 | your question is not logical |
| 21:05.18 | airtonix | indeed |
| 21:05.21 | Buduk | let me revise it then |
| 21:05.26 | airtonix | no |
| 21:05.38 | Cide1 | the "result" is the values of the eventual parameters |
| 21:05.55 | Cide1 | anything else you have to retrieve for yourself |
| 21:06.01 | Buduk | an event is triggered, a string is sent containing data pertaining to the event. how can i print("that data") |
| 21:06.02 | Cide1 | what you want to print is entirely up to you |
| 21:06.18 | Cide1 | you find a suitable variable containing said data and print that variable |
| 21:06.19 | airtonix | print("that data") |
| 21:07.01 | Buduk | ok, so in my function i set a variable containing the event data, ok i was there with that, but what is the identifier that refers to that information |
| 21:07.47 | airtonix | you should be researching the event names on wowpedia or wowprogramming |
| 21:07.47 | karl_w_w | it's provided to the onevent handler |
| 21:08.00 | karl_w_w | as args |
| 21:08.35 | airtonix | ^ from memory, i don't think they are named args |
| 21:08.40 | airtonix | just positional |
| 21:14.06 | mikma | you broke the irc |
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| 21:24.42 | Taroven | Hey, cool. Looks like compiling wine from git source fixed some audio issues... |
| 21:29.28 | airtonix | what kind of audio problems ? |
| 21:29.45 | airtonix | fallout new vegas peridocially silences itself |
| 21:29.54 | Shirik | hold up Cide1 |
| 21:30.00 | Shirik | pgsql does genetic algorithms> |
| 21:30.01 | Taroven | Was getting some stuttering in The Last Remnant with 1.3.10 that I hadn't experienced in 1.3.9. |
| 21:30.18 | Cide1 | http://www.postgresql.org/docs/8.0/static/geqo-intro2.html |
| 21:30.27 | Taroven | Compiling 1.3.10 from source (with an xinput patch for another game) fixed that. |
| 21:31.09 | Shirik | see you do know genetic algorithms Cide1! |
| 21:31.33 | Cide1 | I don't |
| 21:31.36 | Cide1 | I just google |
| 21:32.31 | Cide1 | I know the basics though, but I've never used one |
| 21:32.36 | Cide1 | or implemented one |
| 21:33.58 | Shirik | genetic algorithms are fun |
| 21:34.13 | Shirik | we should totally make a gene library for wow |
| 21:34.15 | Cide1 | I'm not really sure how they work |
| 21:34.17 | Shirik | so that we can implement my idea |
| 21:34.30 | Cide1 | do you just describe a general algorithm and let the generations vary the parameters? |
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| 21:35.19 | Shirik | that's one way of doing it |
| 21:35.32 | Shirik | there's also the "completely different option" way |
| 21:35.46 | Shirik | For example, I had to come up with a mathematical formula using a genetic algorithm |
| 21:36.01 | Shirik | <var> <op> <var> <op> <var> |
| 21:36.08 | Shirik | I let it change var to whatever parameter it wants, or a constant |
| 21:36.13 | Shirik | I let it change op to any operation |
| 21:36.15 | Cide1 | sounds like a job for prolog |
| 21:37.18 | Kraps | "Accumulations... 8 to 12 inches... with locally higher amounts possible." gj, i'm a little pissed right now |
| 21:37.23 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Shirik/CollabRC/Genetics |
| 21:37.30 | Shirik | even has an ASCII diagram! |
| 21:38.42 | Cide1 | beautiful |
| 21:41.04 | Xzempt | does anyone know a macro that when you click it it will print the quest id of the first quest in your quest log |
| 21:41.36 | Cide1 | yes |
| 21:42.11 | Cide1 | it's available through a BFS over www.wowprogramming.com/docs/api |
| 21:45.16 | foxlit | "Arrays and objects can not be used as keys." << Why, PHP, why?! |
| 21:45.41 | Cide1 | let me rephrase |
| 21:45.44 | Cide1 | why php, why?! |
| 21:47.07 | Niya | *blink* |
| 21:47.35 | Niya | A key in what? A hash/map? |
| 21:47.44 | Cide1 | yes |
| 21:47.58 | Niya | Why would you want to use an array as a key? o.o |
| 21:48.08 | Cide1 | you clearly program too little |
| 21:48.20 | Niya | Yes, I only do it for a living =p |
| 21:48.25 | Cide1 | even so |
| 21:48.35 | Cide1 | recursive treets |
| 21:48.36 | Cide1 | trees |
| 21:48.38 | foxlit | An array is just an object |
| 21:48.45 | Cide1 | or recursive datastructures rather |
| 21:48.55 | foxlit | And "Why would you ever want to use objects in a map?" doesn't sound nearly as impressive. |
| 21:49.03 | Cide1 | and objects not being keys is a much stupider restriction |
| 21:49.31 | Niya | I think I'd implement a tree structure differently |
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| 21:49.38 | Cide1 | even so |
| 21:49.55 | Shirik | You have not yet grasped the ways of Lua, then |
| 21:49.57 | Cide1 | have you never wanted to index an array by object? |
| 21:50.09 | Niya | And, really, we're discussing a way that php is dumb |
| 21:50.24 | Shirik | Haven't you ever wanted to do |
| 21:50.38 | Shirik | t[function() ... end] = true? |
| 21:50.44 | Shirik | I wonder if I can do that |
| 21:50.51 | Cide1 | might need parentheses |
| 21:51.07 | Shirik | lua> loadstring[[t[function() print("Hello, world!") end] = true]] |
| 21:51.07 | lua_bot | Shirik: function: 0x92a78d0 |
| 21:51.09 | Shirik | nop |
| 21:51.28 | Cide1 | lua> ({})[function() end] = true |
| 21:51.29 | lua_bot | Cide1: No output |
| 21:51.32 | Niya | I mean, I use objects as indexes into arrays or as keys in maps |
| 21:51.34 | Shirik | lua> t = {}; t[function() print("Hello, world!") end] = true; for k,v in pairs(t) do k() end |
| 21:51.34 | lua_bot | Shirik: Hello, world! |
| 21:51.48 | Niya | But really it's just creaing a hash of the object and using the hash as a key |
| 21:51.55 | Shirik | omg |
| 21:51.56 | Cide1 | naturally |
| 21:52.01 | Cide1 | but php doesn't allow that |
| 21:52.15 | Shirik | lua> next(({})[function() print("Hello, world") end])()() |
| 21:52.15 | lua_bot | Shirik: luabot:1: bad argument #1 to 'next' (table expected, got nil) |
| 21:52.17 | Niya | Well, you could hash the array and use the hash value to do it explicitly |
| 21:52.19 | Shirik | aw |
| 21:52.33 | foxlit | Cide's code is silly |
| 21:52.33 | Cide1 | Niya: no |
| 21:52.42 | Niya | Yes, you could |
| 21:52.42 | foxlit | ({})[...] is an access, not an assign. |
| 21:52.50 | Cide1 | not if you assign true |
| 21:53.11 | Cide1 | Niya: and no |
| 21:53.26 | Cide1 | you would need to implement the whole hash collision mechanic |
| 21:53.33 | Niya | Yes, you would |
| 21:53.40 | Niya | You're using php |
| 21:53.47 | Cide1 | and then what's the point of using an associative array again? |
| 21:54.07 | Niya | So you're trying to do something the language doesn't allow |
| 21:54.16 | Cide1 | which is what we're arguing |
| 21:54.17 | Niya | And then don't want to work around it |
| 21:54.21 | Cide1 | it is fucking stupid that it doesn't work |
| 21:54.24 | Niya | It is |
| 21:54.26 | Cide1 | but yes |
| 21:54.28 | Niya | I completely agree |
| 21:54.36 | Cide1 | I know we can implement a hash table on our own |
| 21:54.36 | Kraps | http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2011/01/gtpc_02.jpg |
| 21:54.41 | Cide1 | but it'd be orders of magnitude slower probably |
| 21:54.51 | Shirik | PHP supports associative arrays |
| 21:54.55 | Kraps | http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2011/01/page_2.jpg |
| 21:54.56 | Cide1 | but not with objects as keys |
| 21:54.57 | Shirik | what it doesn't support is objects in those arrays |
| 21:55.00 | Shirik | which is stupid |
| 21:55.16 | Shirik | because they've already handled everything except the "let's let you put an object in there" |
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| 21:55.34 | Shirik | In all honesty the reason it isn't supported in php is probably because nobody ever asked for it |
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| 21:55.40 | Shirik | if you ask for it, they'll probably find a way to hack it in |
| 21:55.49 | Cide1 | nobody ever asked for it? |
| 21:55.54 | Cide1 | that's retarded |
| 21:56.08 | Shirik | no |
| 21:56.12 | Shirik | you know what's retarted? |
| 21:56.20 | Shirik | besides my spelling of retarded |
| 21:56.22 | airtonix | a number of things |
| 21:56.25 | Cide1 | recursive cake |
| 21:56.29 | Shirik | disc priests |
| 21:56.34 | airtonix | umadbro? |
| 21:56.40 | foxlit | but but! 30% damage reduction! |
| 21:57.01 | Hirsute | Bah. I think I'll be flying United Airlines exactly one more time, just to use the travel voucher they gave me last time they cancelled my flights. Then, never again. Consistently bad experiences with this airline. |
| 21:57.07 | Shirik | what's wrong with united :( |
| 21:57.09 | Shirik | I love them |
| 21:57.21 | airtonix | united has too many holy priests |
| 21:57.29 | Shirik | I am too many holy priests |
| 21:57.36 | airtonix | 1 more than 1 is too many |
| 21:57.42 | Shirik | I'm going to a raid tonight with me and the only other healers are holy paladins |
| 21:57.47 | Shirik | because I am that awesome as a holy priest |
| 21:57.54 | airtonix | no |
| 21:57.56 | Hirsute | Aside from having cancelled flights and fought me on every attempt to get me rescheduled in a sensible way, and having too limited a list of alternatives, absolutely nothing. |
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| 21:58.15 | Shirik | Hirsute: They like to give me free first class upgrades |
| 21:58.28 | Hirsute | Their customer service, I think, is trained to act stupid and unhelpful until you're so pissed you can't talk any more, rather than actually do something to help you. |
| 21:58.32 | airtonix | only for the same reason you're taken to raids... to fill a spot |
| 21:58.37 | batbot | Shirik fears to duel a bot, what a coward. |
| 21:58.38 | airtonix | hoho |
| 21:58.51 | airtonix | ^ |
| 21:59.02 | Shirik | isn't that why everyone's taken? |
| 21:59.03 | airtonix | lol'd |
| 21:59.08 | airtonix | no |
| 21:59.22 | airtonix | my raid dropped holy priests and druid for my disc priest |
| 21:59.29 | Shirik | ew |
| 21:59.31 | Shirik | ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwww |
| 21:59.34 | airtonix | shamans and disc priests <3 |
| 21:59.41 | Shirik | your raid must suck |
| 21:59.47 | airtonix | lolumadbro? |
| 22:00.08 | Hirsute | I'm now stuck in the airport in SC overnight, because they have exactly two places they can send me to from here, and both are snowed in tonight, and even though other airlines (with connections in different cities) are flying out of here just fine, they absolutely will not do anything to try to get me switched to a flight that will actually get me home in time to be back in the hospital... |
| 22:00.10 | Hirsute | ...when I'm supposed to be. |
| 22:00.33 | Hirsute | I'm not sad that this was my last residency interview and I'm done with all this freaking city hopping. |
| 22:01.53 | Shirik | This is a holy priest: http://spotheal.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/deaconblood_elf_by_genzoman1.jpg?w=495&h=409 |
| 22:01.57 | Shirik | See how awesome she is? |
| 22:02.00 | Cide1 | hott |
| 22:02.00 | Shirik | This is a disc priest: http://aatwow.fimlys.com/aatwimg/df36001002bf_12D03/FyraDead_061308_003800.jpg |
| 22:02.07 | Cide1 | lol |
| 22:02.31 | airtonix | you had an unfortunate upbringing i see |
| 22:02.42 | airtonix | clearly deprived of love |
| 22:02.51 | airtonix | also |
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| 22:03.11 | Ackis | Shirik: shadow priests > holy priests... discuss! |
| 22:03.30 | Shirik | I need at least one shadow priest in my raid |
| 22:03.32 | Shirik | so I cannot contest |
| 22:03.37 | airtonix | lawl |
| 22:03.40 | Shirik | I need my 5% haste |
| 22:03.46 | airtonix | loool |
| 22:03.57 | Ackis | I'm the only priest in my guild, and one of 2 healers... :( |
| 22:03.57 | airtonix | i generate my own haste |
| 22:04.06 | Ackis | I do wicked dps or wicked healz |
| 22:04.09 | Shirik | airtonix: And your gear sucks as a result |
| 22:04.11 | Ackis | so it's like herpaderp |
| 22:04.14 | Shirik | All of my haste is in mastery instead |
| 22:04.23 | Ackis | you like holy priest mastery Shirik? |
| 22:04.27 | Shirik | hells yes |
| 22:04.38 | Shirik | it is far superior to haste and crit |
| 22:04.43 | Shirik | crit is fairly obvious |
| 22:05.02 | airtonix | lol'd |
| 22:05.04 | Hirsute | Hrmmm. I wonder what's in my hulu queue. I've got 13 hours, and free wifi. |
| 22:05.20 | mckenziemc | crits Shirik |
| 22:05.23 | Ackis | I don't know if it's superior to haste |
| 22:05.24 | Ackis | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/scarlet-crusade/ackis/advanced |
| 22:05.35 | Ackis | I've been reforging crit -> haste and some mastery -> haste |
| 22:05.37 | Shirik | All of my math says get to 12.5% haste and then stop |
| 22:05.47 | Shirik | once you get past 12.5%, you really don't get much of a benefit out of it |
| 22:05.55 | Ackis | enough for the extra renew ticks right? |
| 22:05.58 | Shirik | yes |
| 22:06.18 | Shirik | that translates into 516 (4.06%) haste rating, raid buffed |
| 22:06.33 | Shirik | 4.06 with 5% from shadowform/wrath of air and then 3% from darkness |
| 22:06.49 | Ackis | I'm in shadow gear/spec right now on the armory herpaderp |
| 22:06.58 | Ackis | good thing 90% of my gear is the same regardless of spec |
| 22:07.01 | Shirik | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/Icecrown/Kiminari/advanced |
| 22:07.02 | Ackis | loves the spirit == hit |
| 22:07.29 | Cide1 | can't be 90% |
| 22:07.46 | Cide1 | seeing as I have like 24% haste with my spirit |
| 22:07.46 | Shirik | hahaha you have the same wand I do |
| 22:07.52 | Shirik | 24%?! |
| 22:07.55 | Shirik | Are you going for 25? |
| 22:08.00 | foxlit | I'm surprised at casters actually using the stamina alchemist stone |
| 22:08.12 | Shirik | foxlit: Nothing better to replace it right now, sadly |
| 22:08.15 | Cide1 | let me revise that statement |
| 22:08.17 | Cide1 | 25.02% |
| 22:08.18 | Ackis | Shirik: the healer wand hasn't dropped for me and even w/ the hit it was an upgrade over that green one |
| 22:08.22 | Shirik | It is on my list of "things I really need to get rid of" |
| 22:08.28 | Shirik | Cide1: Is that intentional? |
| 22:08.35 | Cide1 | I'm a holy priest |
| 22:08.38 | Shirik | Ackis: I'm in the same position as you |
| 22:08.42 | Ackis | Cide1: when I switch to holy only 2 pieces of gear changes from shadow |
| 22:08.46 | Cide1 | I don't have a set of gear for shadow |
| 22:08.56 | Shirik | how did you get to 25% |
| 22:09.01 | Cide1 | spirit to hit |
| 22:09.07 | Shirik | you said haste |
| 22:09.10 | Cide1 | oh |
| 22:09.19 | Cide1 | I said haste |
| 22:09.33 | Cide1 | I meant hit |
| 22:09.36 | Shirik | ok |
| 22:09.40 | Shirik | 25% haste is the other big number |
| 22:09.41 | haste | hi5! |
| 22:09.49 | Shirik | so I was wondering if you were going for it intentionally |
| 22:10.01 | Shirik | I don't think it's possible to hit 25% haste wthout giving up too much in other stats |
| 22:10.02 | Ackis | in shadow gear I think I'm 500 points over the hit cap /shrug |
| 22:10.03 | Kraps | Shirik: y so srs? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Shirik/CollabRC |
| 22:10.18 | Shirik | Kraps |
| 22:10.23 | Shirik | we're talking about holy priests |
| 22:10.25 | Shirik | and why disc sucks |
| 22:10.25 | Shirik | again |
| 22:10.38 | Shirik | also, airtonix is a disc priest |
| 22:10.42 | Ackis | Shirik: you like that blood of iset trinket? |
| 22:10.42 | Shirik | do you really want to be compared to him? |
| 22:10.47 | Shirik | a lot |
| 22:10.54 | Ackis | I DEed it |
| 22:10.58 | Shirik | )*#@$@( $] |
| 22:10.58 | Shirik | what |
| 22:11.17 | Shirik | whaaaaaaaaaaaaaat |
| 22:11.23 | Ackis | lol |
| 22:11.32 | Shirik | It is probably BIS 346 |
| 22:11.43 | Ackis | I'd rather have raw stats than mastery |
| 22:12.00 | Kraps | Shirik: i noticed. i just didnt feel the need to lower myself to the discussion |
| 22:12.02 | Shirik | it translates into like 394 spirit |
| 22:12.52 | Ackis | I like the tear of blood, don't like the proc on it though =/ |
| 22:13.51 | Cide1 | what about tear of blood? |
| 22:14.01 | Ackis | it procs off of crits to give you spirit |
| 22:14.07 | Ackis | and has a bunch of int on it |
| 22:14.08 | Cide1 | oh lol |
| 22:14.12 | Cide1 | didn't see you mention it right before |
| 22:14.17 | Ackis | ah |
| 22:14.19 | Cide1 | I have it as a healer |
| 22:14.22 | Ackis | ditto |
| 22:14.25 | Cide1 | was wondering if shirik didn't like it |
| 22:14.40 | Shirik | I had it |
| 22:14.47 | Ackis | it's counter to what we gear for... crit is "bad" as holy, yet it procs off of crits |
| 22:14.52 | Shirik | I prefer isisiet's trinket |
| 22:14.55 | Shirik | no |
| 22:14.59 | Shirik | you misunderstand |
| 22:15.03 | Shirik | gearing for crit is bad |
| 22:15.07 | Shirik | you will crit |
| 22:15.14 | Cide1 | what's the name of blood of somethingsomething? |
| 22:15.17 | Kraps | http://3.media.dorkly.cvcdn.com/95/99/4b5403625035b3c4fcf4864cb07c864f.jpg |
| 22:15.25 | Ackis | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/item/56414 |
| 22:15.29 | Ackis | Cide1: ^ |
| 22:15.43 | Shirik | that one |
| 22:15.44 | Shirik | that's what I have |
| 22:15.54 | Cide1 | yeah I'd prefer that |
| 22:17.19 | Ackis | what would you two say the bis 346 trinkets are? |
| 22:17.59 | karl_w_w | # Rebuke is now trainable by all paladins as a base spell. |
| 22:18.04 | Shirik | Cide1, what is "Ring of the boy emperor"? |
| 22:18.08 | jnwhiteh | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:18.09 | jnwhiteh | http://www.wowhead.com/items&filter=sl=28;qu=2:3:4:5:6;minle=316;maxrl=85;ub=11;cr=21:20;crs=3:3;crv=0:0 |
| 22:18.15 | jnwhiteh | this relic selection SUCKS |
| 22:18.15 | karl_w_w | so who the hell is going to pvp ret now? |
| 22:18.24 | Ackis | Shirik: archaeology from Tol'vir |
| 22:18.27 | Shirik | oh bs |
| 22:18.43 | Ackis | got lucky with it I gues |
| 22:18.44 | foxlit | jnwhiteh: eonar and reforge crit? |
| 22:18.45 | Ackis | *guess |
| 22:18.49 | jnwhiteh | I'm short 140 valour points to get eonar =/ |
| 22:19.27 | Shirik | [2. Trade] WTS [Alchemy: Transmute: Truegold] CD. 5 free [Chocolate Cookie] with purchase! |
| 22:19.27 | foxlit | I have captured lightning and the book atm |
| 22:19.34 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 22:19.36 | jnwhiteh | I could buy the pvp one |
| 22:19.37 | Cide1 | Shirik: archaeology reward |
| 22:19.42 | Shirik | BS |
| 22:19.46 | Shirik | archaeology sucks |
| 22:20.01 | Cide1 | the healing trinket from archaeology is also godo |
| 22:20.07 | Shirik | I know :( |
| 22:20.07 | Cide1 | good |
| 22:20.10 | Shirik | but I suck at archaeology |
| 22:20.14 | Cide1 | I've been leveling it |
| 22:20.14 | Ackis | the NE one? |
| 22:20.17 | Cide1 | 255 / 300 |
| 22:20.18 | jnwhiteh | archaeology sucks me |
| 22:20.21 | jnwhiteh | i'm maxxed |
| 22:20.23 | Cide1 | ya Ackis |
| 22:20.24 | foxlit | the healing trinket from archaeology is a myth |
| 22:20.24 | Kraps | # Darkflight (Worgen) now has a 2 min cooldown, down from 3 min. Now increases current movement speed by an additional 40% instead of "increasing movement speed by 40%". |
| 22:20.28 | Kraps | yay |
| 22:20.31 | Ackis | I want the tol'vir epic staff |
| 22:20.31 | jnwhiteh | getting every epic nelf one EXCEPT the healing trinket |
| 22:20.41 | Shirik | Wait wait wait |
| 22:20.44 | Shirik | You're not just a disc priest |
| 22:20.44 | foxlit | that's just a recipe for hearbreak, Ackis |
| 22:20.47 | Shirik | you're a WORGEN disc priest?! |
| 22:20.48 | jnwhiteh | i'll see if I can buy a Tattooed Eyeball |
| 22:20.53 | Ackis | jnwhiteh: same that's the only NE rare I haven't got at max arch |
| 22:21.00 | Kraps | Shirik: no, thats a druid |
| 22:21.01 | Cide1 | human ftw |
| 22:21.02 | Seerah | Shirik: Are you saying that "archeology sucks" or that you "suck at archeology"? |
| 22:21.11 | Ackis | foxlit: arch itself overall is heartbreak |
| 22:21.12 | Cide1 | or both? |
| 22:21.17 | Shirik | Seerah: Yes |
| 22:21.21 | Seerah | :D |
| 22:21.31 | foxlit | I wish fossil sites would stop spawning |
| 22:21.34 | Cide1 | I hate you |
| 22:21.46 | durcyn | is the 4.0.6 200-artifact cap going to affect the spawn rate? |
| 22:21.52 | foxlit | Have like 500 fragments since I stopped making those. |
| 22:22.01 | Ackis | only? |
| 22:22.01 | Shirik | why do you hate me :( |
| 22:22.03 | durcyn | seems a bit pointless if it doesn't |
| 22:22.07 | Ackis | I'm around 1k fossil fragments |
| 22:22.10 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:22.12 | Kraps | hmm |
| 22:22.16 | Kraps | hmm hmm |
| 22:22.18 | jnwhiteh | hrm i may buy the pvp one |
| 22:22.19 | Ackis | I hope they add some new fossil stuff in for 4.0.6 |
| 22:22.19 | foxlit | durcyn: they painted themselves into a corner with new arch stuff |
| 22:22.20 | Cide1 | "a or b?" "yes" |
| 22:22.22 | jnwhiteh | 700 honor points vs. 2.5k gold |
| 22:22.25 | jnwhiteh | for tattoed eyeball |
| 22:22.31 | karl_w_w | the trinket was the last nelf artifact i got |
| 22:22.33 | durcyn | foxlit: standard blizzard design procedures, yes. |
| 22:22.46 | foxlit | It's entirely possible they'll keep spawning stuff you can't use due to the cap just to spite you |
| 22:22.46 | Cide1 | don't be stupid thx |
| 22:22.53 | Shirik | Cide1: Don't be stupid thx |
| 22:22.56 | Shirik | Seerah understood what I said |
| 22:23.00 | Ackis | Shirik: the arch trinket + new alch trinket == BiS til you raid right? |
| 22:23.04 | Kraps | Shirik: renew got buffed right? |
| 22:23.05 | foxlit | The actual purpose is to avoid you amassing enough fragments to force them to make the drop rates horrendously low on new content. |
| 22:23.09 | Shirik | Ackis: probably not |
| 22:23.15 | Shirik | I really think the alch trinket is a pos |
| 22:23.16 | Cide1 | I meant durcyn, not you Shirik |
| 22:23.23 | Shirik | But I can't figure uot what to replace it with |
| 22:23.34 | Shirik | Kraps: Will get buffed |
| 22:23.35 | Shirik | not yet |
| 22:23.36 | Ackis | Shirik: the one with int and mastery on it? |
| 22:23.38 | Shirik | 4.0.6 |
| 22:23.40 | Kraps | ya |
| 22:23.47 | Shirik | Ackis: you talking about the tol barad one? |
| 22:23.55 | Ackis | the new 4.0.6 trinket |
| 22:23.58 | durcyn | Cide1: rude |
| 22:24.04 | Shirik | I don't know what that is then |
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| 22:24.22 | Ackis | Shirik: http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/68777/vibrant-alchemist-stone/ |
| 22:24.26 | jnwhiteh | there's a new alchemy trinket |
| 22:24.27 | jnwhiteh | <3 |
| 22:24.40 | Cide1 | you deserved it |
| 22:24.45 | Ackis | jnwhiteh: there's 3 new ones |
| 22:24.46 | Shirik | WE DON'T NEED FUCKING HASTE |
| 22:24.51 | karl_w_w | jesus shit |
| 22:24.53 | Shirik | oh good |
| 22:24.55 | Ackis | stam (existed), int, agi, and str |
| 22:24.55 | Kraps | what does http://db.mmo-champion.com/s/76856/unshackled-fury/ even do? |
| 22:24.58 | karl_w_w | why would they out haste on it |
| 22:25.45 | Kraps | TL;DR http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/2053469 |
| 22:26.00 | Shirik | omg |
| 22:26.02 | Shirik | why |
| 22:26.04 | Shirik | the hell |
| 22:26.05 | mckenziemc | then why'd you post it :o |
| 22:26.06 | Shirik | does it have haste on it |
| 22:26.45 | Cide1 | so you can reforge it into mastery |
| 22:26.48 | Kraps | mckenziemc: because i can? |
| 22:26.50 | Kraps | :p |
| 22:27.36 | jnwhiteh | http://www.wowhead.com/item=64821 worth it over http://www.wowhead.com/item=55821 for 700 honor? |
| 22:27.38 | Shirik | Cide1: Still where am I going to get rid of the rest of the haste? |
| 22:27.43 | Shirik | That means I have another 85 haste to get rid of |
| 22:28.05 | Kraps | Shirik: reforge! |
| 22:28.16 | Shirik | I'm pretty sure I've already reforged out all the haste I can |
| 22:28.28 | Shirik | I might actually remove a talent point from darkness |
| 22:28.47 | Kraps | thats good |
| 22:28.54 | Shirik | lua> 1.125 / 1.05 / 1.02 |
| 22:28.54 | lua_bot | Shirik: 1.0504201680672 |
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| 22:29.15 | karl_w_w | why is haste so bad for you Shirik? |
| 22:29.26 | Shirik | because we only want 12.5% |
| 22:29.33 | Shirik | after that it doesn't really give us much benefit |
| 22:29.50 | Cide1 | or rather |
| 22:29.55 | Ackis | I have 0/3 in darkness, but 2/2 in Veiled Shadows (which I now probably can spec out of) |
| 22:29.57 | Cide1 | mastery is much better |
| 22:30.07 | Shirik | that's an understatement |
| 22:30.52 | foxlit | Kraps: I like the graphic design on those posts |
| 22:31.39 | Shirik | My favorite one is the T11 chest pieec |
| 22:31.41 | Shirik | which has crit |
| 22:31.44 | Shirik | like |
| 22:31.46 | Shirik | I would rather have haste |
| 22:31.48 | Shirik | than crit |
| 22:32.25 | cbreak | reforging to the rescue (partially) |
| 22:32.31 | karl_w_w | i wonder if there is a single spec that wants haste |
| 22:32.38 | Cide1 | sure |
| 22:32.38 | cbreak | arcane |
| 22:32.43 | karl_w_w | i mean |
| 22:32.44 | Cide1 | most whose masteries arenät that good |
| 22:32.47 | karl_w_w | a viable spec |
| 22:32.55 | cbreak | arcane is viable |
| 22:33.00 | karl_w_w | lol |
| 22:33.02 | karl_w_w | good one |
| 22:33.07 | cbreak | I use it and it works |
| 22:33.13 | karl_w_w | sure |
| 22:33.18 | cbreak | mana for eternity |
| 22:33.23 | Seerah | I'm arcane |
| 22:33.26 | cbreak | or burst when I want (and have cooldowns) |
| 22:33.28 | karl_w_w | i bet you'd do better in frost or fire though |
| 22:33.36 | cbreak | not really |
| 22:33.40 | cbreak | (at least not according to rawr) |
| 22:33.43 | Seerah | I have never liked frost or fire specs, actually |
| 22:33.46 | cbreak | not enough crit |
| 22:33.50 | Seerah | and I do pretty damn well |
| 22:34.34 | Seerah | karl_w_w: though you sound like my husband a little. and then I point out to him that I'm topping dps |
| 22:34.54 | karl_w_w | and damage done? |
| 22:35.05 | Seerah | usually 2nd |
| 22:35.05 | cbreak | I am not too much bothered about damage done, and don't care about dps at all |
| 22:35.11 | cbreak | what matters is control |
| 22:35.17 | cbreak | survival |
| 22:35.19 | karl_w_w | um |
| 22:35.21 | Lunessa | And I'm out for the day. Later all. |
| 22:35.33 | Shirik | arcane mastery is confusing |
| 22:35.39 | Shirik | you start to have like 2 phases of DPS |
| 22:35.39 | karl_w_w | nah its not |
| 22:35.45 | Shirik | damage and recovery |
| 22:35.48 | cbreak | yeah |
| 22:35.53 | cbreak | same as at 80 |
| 22:35.58 | cbreak | just enforced differently |
| 22:36.13 | Seerah | with poly, CS, Spellsteal, decurse.... damage done total gets lowered, anyway |
| 22:36.31 | jnwhiteh | what should I be enchanting as a resto druid |
| 22:36.34 | cbreak | CS might be a dps gain |
| 22:36.36 | jnwhiteh | int obvi as much as possible |
| 22:36.42 | cbreak | (if you've speced for it) |
| 22:36.45 | karl_w_w | cs isnt on the gcd, poly and spellsteal are rarely used on bosses |
| 22:36.56 | karl_w_w | so they wouldnt really lower damage done |
| 22:37.00 | Seerah | true (I'm not - put my 2 pts in improved poly) |
| 22:37.09 | Shirik | jnwhiteh: heartsong omfg |
| 22:37.13 | cbreak | I don't use imp. poly |
| 22:37.19 | cbreak | I just yell at people who break it :) |
| 22:37.42 | jnwhiteh | i dont need spirit more |
| 22:37.43 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 22:37.45 | jnwhiteh | but if its the best |
| 22:37.48 | Seerah | plus arcane gets focus magic to boost one of the other dps in the raid :p |
| 22:38.04 | cbreak | Seerah: and we get Arcane Tactics |
| 22:38.06 | karl_w_w | fire gets the debuff |
| 22:38.07 | Seerah | yep |
| 22:38.09 | cbreak | which is much more of a buff |
| 22:38.11 | Seerah | <3 arcane spec |
| 22:38.19 | cbreak | I am arcane/frost dual spec |
| 22:38.26 | cbreak | but kind of don't like frost anymore |
| 22:38.35 | cbreak | I was frost from way back in molten core |
| 22:38.42 | cbreak | until black temple |
| 22:38.49 | cbreak | until nax 2 |
| 22:38.53 | cbreak | but then arcane got me :) |
| 22:39.00 | Seerah | I'm arcane/fire with piercing ice |
| 22:39.20 | karl_w_w | i was fire in bc, arcane in wotlk but been bored of it since 3.2 |
| 22:39.40 | karl_w_w | got bored waiting for cata, learnt to frost pvp and now i frost everything |
| 22:40.59 | karl_w_w | i prefer frost for it's burst and mobility and control |
| 22:41.15 | cbreak | arcane has lots of mobility, burst and control |
| 22:41.23 | cbreak | and unlike frost, the arcane burst is controllable |
| 22:41.25 | karl_w_w | lol |
| 22:41.26 | Ackis | Shirik: how many points of haste for 1%? |
| 22:41.34 | karl_w_w | how is it controllable |
| 22:41.44 | karl_w_w | you just said you need your cooldowns up |
| 22:41.53 | cbreak | yes. But I can spend them when I want |
| 22:41.58 | karl_w_w | and it doesnt have as much control as frost |
| 22:41.59 | cbreak | in frost, I have to react to procs |
| 22:42.09 | cbreak | it doesn't have as much as frost, but it has a lot |
| 22:42.20 | airtonix | Shirik, you don't have to be upset darling |
| 22:42.32 | airtonix | hugs Shirik |
| 22:42.39 | karl_w_w | and i just dont believe you when you say arcane has mobility lol |
| 22:42.54 | karl_w_w | woo you get to barrage every few seconds and sit on your hands? |
| 22:43.00 | cbreak | 40% run speed buff when invisible, and instant invisibility |
| 22:43.13 | karl_w_w | the run speed is a glyph |
| 22:43.21 | cbreak | the ultimate get-out-of-a-wipe combo |
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| 22:53.24 | Shirik | dude |
| 22:53.28 | Shirik | all the doorways just stopped working |
| 22:53.35 | Shirik | I got a port to stormwind and I couldn't get out of the tower |
| 22:53.38 | Shirik | so I hearthed |
| 22:53.42 | Shirik | and then I couldn't get out of the inn |
| 22:54.48 | zenzelezz | your inn has doors? |
| 22:55.42 | Shirik | no |
| 22:55.45 | Shirik | it has doorways |
| 22:55.48 | Shirik | that you walk through |
| 22:55.54 | Shirik | but apparently I thought there was a wall there instead |
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| 22:57.57 | Dagmar | You know, at this point, most people would just go ahead and admit they'd had too many bong hits. |
| 23:00.37 | karl_w_w | lol |
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| 23:15.11 | Kraps | Dagmar: is that internet death device out yet? http://edition.cnn.com/2011/US/01/11/arizona.funeral.westboro/?hpt=Mid |
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| 23:33.33 | Kraps | SC2 patch 1.2.0 is out |
| 23:33.56 | jnwhiteh | yay, I pass the audit! |
| 23:33.56 | jnwhiteh | http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/emerald-dream/derwydd/advanced |
| 23:34.29 | jnwhiteh | whgs 4169! |
| 23:35.49 | Shirik | yay jnwhiteh |
| 23:35.54 | Shirik | but my whgs is higher! |
| 23:35.55 | Shirik | rawr |
| 23:35.57 | jnwhiteh | i cheaped out on enchants |
| 23:36.01 | jnwhiteh | but I dont care |
| 23:36.05 | jnwhiteh | its not my end-game gear |
| 23:36.11 | jnwhiteh | and the lower level chants are there for a reason =) |
| 23:36.14 | jnwhiteh | okay, sleep time |
| 23:36.17 | jnwhiteh | goodnight! |
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| 23:36.21 | Shirik | oh wow 4302 |
| 23:36.22 | Kraps | why whgs vs GS? |
| 23:36.22 | Shirik | night |
| 23:36.26 | Shirik | because |
| 23:36.55 | Kraps | because you're not disc? |
| 23:38.38 | Shirik | yes |
| 23:38.44 | Shirik | because only disc priests use GS |
| 23:39.31 | Kraps | no Shirik |
| 23:39.51 | Shirik | only disc priests and people that should be disc priests use GS? |
| 23:40.04 | Kraps | no Shirik |
| 23:41.40 | foxlit | "Flux Vanes speed upgrade removed." |
| 23:42.03 | foxlit | hm, and a repair fix |
| 23:44.01 | airtonix | your anger is in bad taste sir |
| 23:44.22 | Kraps | Stalemate Detection has been added. |
| 23:44.36 | airtonix | perhaps you might swallow your pride more easily with some vintage Chardonnay |
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| 23:48.34 | Kraps | Protoss structures can no longer be powered without a power source if constructed while powered by a Warp Prism under the effects of Neural Parasite. |
| 23:50.57 | Arrowmaster | "# New trigger event: Mouse Moved, sent in response to the mouse being moved in the game world." |
| 23:51.11 | Arrowmaster | does this mean this is finally the patch that brings the stuff showed at blizzcon? |
| 23:51.59 | kd3 | diffs out shortly (I'm patching now) |
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| 23:52.24 | foxlit | more sc2 diffs, kd3! |
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