| 00:00.25 | Jamash | I want the drake mount thing for my alchemist |
| 00:00.35 | olafski | (oh and when comparing arch. to mining/herbing, let's not forget the gold you get for the latter 2 :)) |
| 00:00.38 | olafski | heh yeah me too |
| 00:00.50 | olafski | my main's a DK, can use the sword for both tanking and dps.. and also alchemist =) |
| 00:00.56 | olafski | I have a lot of digging to go |
| 00:00.58 | Jamash | yah |
| 00:01.25 | bleeter | olafski: can't do that, the two things are not comparible for purposes of rate gathered per hour stats. herb/mine nodes are global, archeology nodes are per person. |
| 00:01.28 | olafski | went to outland for a bit to get some actual progress :) |
| 00:01.59 | Jamash | bleeter: um, yes you can, and yes they are |
| 00:02.08 | olafski | you can indeed |
| 00:02.13 | Jamash | xp is xp is xp |
| 00:02.25 | bleeter | which, would seem to me, ensures that you're guaranteed a node. you're never guaranteed any node to be 'up' for gatherering |
| 00:02.45 | bleeter | you could circle kalimdor five times and some bastard be 30 seconds ahead of you :P |
| 00:02.50 | bleeter | or not |
| 00:02.57 | Jamash | you can't know in advance where your dig sites will be either |
| 00:02.58 | Jamash | so? |
| 00:03.15 | bleeter | which I'd say make that more difficult |
| 00:03.17 | foxlit | "Use: Teleport instantly to Light's Hope Chapel" >> 5 second casting time :/ |
| 00:03.29 | Jamash | the teleport is instant |
| 00:03.36 | bleeter | Jamash: but you know it'll be there when you zone in. you can't know any gathering node will be there when you zone in. |
| 00:03.37 | crazedfred | ^ lol |
| 00:03.46 | Kraps | wtf idra is such a QQer |
| 00:03.47 | Jamash | bleeter: again, so? |
| 00:04.41 | bleeter | Jamash: I'm still trying to work out how you've got two players squablling over the same piece of archeology |
| 00:04.49 | Jamash | bleeter: I don't |
| 00:05.08 | Xyphoid | how much fun is archaology on pvp servers |
| 00:05.13 | Xyphoid | do you actually end up nailing each other |
| 00:05.36 | Jamash | bleeter: I'm saying that both archeology and mining/herbing produce varying amounts of xp depending on circumstances |
| 00:05.46 | Jamash | bleeter: but that doesn't mean you can't compare averages |
| 00:06.04 | Jamash | Xyphoid: I get killed some while surveying but not a whole lot |
| 00:06.20 | foxlit | This Fuselight taxi rocket is slow |
| 00:06.23 | Xyphoid | i think it's kind of funny to encourage horribly frustated and angry level 85 players to tour low-level zones |
| 00:06.25 | foxlit | sloooow! |
| 00:06.38 | olafski | jamash: averages is the keyword I think :) |
| 00:06.53 | olafski | xyphoid: haha yeah |
| 00:09.07 | foxlit | Also, it's called "The Uncrashable" and it didn't crash. |
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| 00:09.13 | foxlit | Goblin engineering, what's wrong with you?! |
| 00:09.58 | olafski | foxlit: mine actually did crash |
| 00:10.05 | olafski | though I doubt that was intended by blizzard :) |
| 00:13.06 | bleeter | meh, either way it's funny as hell (in a stupid kinda way) that anyone levelling Archy gets 3 free levels, then has to go back and do the quests to 'find' the opening to level 81 dungeons n foo. Once all the Wrath capped people pass, should ease somewhat |
| 00:13.26 | Jamash | you don't have to do quests to find the dungeons, just show up |
| 00:14.09 | bleeter | Jamash: please feel free to continue to tell RPers how they must play the mmoRPG they sign up for ;) |
| 00:14.41 | Jamash | bleeter: you said "has to go back and do the quests to 'find' the opening" |
| 00:15.04 | bleeter | Jamash: if you look real close, you might see where I put quote marks around the word FIND |
| 00:15.10 | bleeter | read in to those quote marks as you will |
| 00:15.33 | bleeter | as you're having trouble with quote marks, I shan't repeat the stuff about RP |
| 00:15.49 | bleeter | or even bother explaining what RP is |
| 00:16.21 | olafski | oh dear :P |
| 00:16.27 | Jamash | bleeter: you're not very nice |
| 00:16.46 | olafski | this looks worse than dagmar on a good day :P |
| 00:17.57 | bleeter | you guys must be new here |
| 00:18.16 | Jamash | "I'm bleeter, I insult people for not reading my mind" |
| 00:18.23 | Corrodias | sounds about right |
| 00:18.55 | bleeter | clearly 60Hz works differently to 50Hz, that's why I have to repeat stuff |
| 00:22.19 | Computerpunk | bleeter |
| 00:23.17 | Computerpunk | bleeter |
| 00:23.18 | bleeter | fwiw I do so enjoy 'no one cares' as a response to a moan, that one always goes down well in customer support. Lost $100k from your bank account? No one cares. :D |
| 00:23.21 | Computerpunk | Won't budge. |
| 00:23.37 | Computerpunk | Fisker |
| 00:24.03 | Computerpunk | Won't budge either. |
| 00:24.13 | Dagmar | olafski: AHEM |
| 00:24.22 | Dagmar | Try not to be a bigger dick than necessary, k? |
| 00:24.38 | Computerpunk | hugs dagmar. |
| 00:24.56 | Dagmar | Remember, some day you'll be as old as I am and actually know things, too |
| 00:25.11 | bleeter | Dagmar: no one cares about olafski |
| 00:25.12 | Kraps | Dagmar: you cant tell people what they should do with their dicks |
| 00:25.34 | Computerpunk | k, I go emo. No one's feeding me. |
| 00:25.38 | Dagmar | Kraps: Erm... I dont even *want* to know what they do with their dicks |
| 00:25.42 | bleeter | Kraps: depends if you're a Willy doctor |
| 00:26.08 | bleeter | if Dagmar was a Willy doctor, he'd be more than capable of telling folks what to do with their dicks |
| 00:26.25 | bleeter | or a private invetigating company |
| 00:26.55 | Dagmar | The word is "urologist" oddly |
| 00:27.21 | bleeter | Dagmar: really? i would've thought that would be just urethra problems. well there ya go, learned something today |
| 00:27.32 | bleeter | (by just, I mean, for both genders) |
| 00:28.00 | Dagmar | bleeter: Yeah, same here. I can't help but think of it as a sign that medical science is being overly delicate about some things |
| 00:28.10 | Dagmar | Usually they're a lot more descriptive than that |
| 00:28.47 | bleeter | maybe 'willy quack' just doesn't look good on a plaque by the front door |
| 00:28.53 | Fisker | join the dark side bleeter |
| 00:29.08 | Computerpunk | Fisker's Fisker. |
| 00:29.09 | bleeter | Fisker: we already sent you Mary |
| 00:29.21 | bleeter | Fisker: she's the princess of darksidedness |
| 00:30.34 | Computerpunk | No, you didn't. |
| 00:30.38 | Computerpunk | She's not in Fisker's bed. >.> |
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| 00:42.39 | Wobin | Dick Doctor? |
| 00:43.08 | Wobin | Perhaps "Penisologist" got them teased in medical school |
| 00:43.15 | Dagmar | I suppose by the same token a large brass plague bearing the motto of "THE FUTURE OF MANY PENISES ARE DECIDED WITHIN THESE WALLS" would also be a bit off-putting |
| 00:44.37 | crazedfred | Does anyone with some experience in concurrency want to have a design discussion? I'm trying to design a library's functionality/API. |
| 00:45.51 | Cide | what is the library for? |
| 00:46.02 | crazedfred | Cide: http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/libsync/ |
| 00:46.08 | crazedfred | A generic data syncronization library |
| 00:46.10 | Dagmar | Hookin up with smart chicks. |
| 00:46.15 | crazedfred | That too! |
| 00:46.31 | bleeter | Wobin, Dagmar: Reminds me lots of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9alvLdf5eWw ;) |
| 00:47.10 | crazedfred | Cide: Essentially, I will have need of pretty solid LUA-variable-syncing in some addons I want to write, and it seemed like it would make more sense to hash out the functionality in a library first. |
| 00:47.23 | crazedfred | I've got some ideas that I think will work but wanted to bounce them around a bit |
| 00:50.10 | crazedfred | Guess I scared him off :P |
| 00:51.42 | bleeter | blames cogwheel |
| 00:51.59 | bluspacecow | always |
| 00:52.30 | bleeter | not necessarily, the exception to the rul that it's cogwheel's fault is when it used to be Cide's fault |
| 00:52.35 | bleeter | *rule |
| 00:52.48 | bleeter | though I guess we can blame cogwheel for that, too |
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| 01:06.33 | Gnarfoz | !api profiling |
| 01:06.33 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'profiling'. |
| 01:06.35 | Gnarfoz | !api cpu |
| 01:06.35 | lua_bot | Found 7 possible results for 'cpu': GetFunctionCPUUsage, UpdateAddOnCPUUsage, GetFrameCPUUsage, GetScriptCPUUsage, ResetCPUUsage, GetAddOnCPUUsage, GetEventCPUUsage |
| 01:06.58 | Gnarfoz | anyone know off hand what the cvar is called that toggles cpu profiling? |
| 01:11.58 | Torhal | Gnarfoz: scriptProfile <-- 0 or 1 |
| 01:12.32 | Gnarfoz | Torhal: ty, <3 |
| 01:17.21 | Adys | I can now say without any uncertainty that cheddar is the absolute most disgusting thing you can eat frozen |
| 01:20.13 | Adys | i feel like i grabbed a glass of milk and poured it into an ice tray, added salt and curry, burned the whole thing and froze the melted-plasticified beverage |
| 01:20.16 | Adys | took a slice of it and ate it. |
| 01:23.10 | Computerpunk | http://images0.memegenerator.net/ImageMacro/3785202/wat-wat-wat-wat-wat-wat-wat-wat-wat-wat-wat-wat-wat-wat-wat-wat-wat-wat-wat-wat-wat-wat-wat-wat-wat-.jpg?imageSize=Medium&generatorName=qwqwe |
| 01:23.16 | Computerpunk | sup. |
| 01:23.24 | Computerpunk | Fisker. |
| 01:23.42 | crazedfred | How do I make a library depend on another library? |
| 01:23.59 | Adys | crazedfred: add it to its dependencies. :P |
| 01:24.07 | crazedfred | so exactly the same as an addon would? |
| 01:24.14 | cbreak | a library is an addon |
| 01:24.18 | Adys | libraries are addons that provide public functionality |
| 01:24.28 | crazedfred | well this is an embedded library I'm writing, no TOC |
| 01:24.32 | Computerpunk | Adys, so, if I add me as a dependency to my gf, will she not "work" if I'm asleep? >.> |
| 01:24.50 | cbreak | any addon provides public functionality, if it wants to or not :) (the new addon table can make it possible for an addon to not do that though...) |
| 01:25.06 | Adys | crazedfred: if you're planning on writing something to be embedded, making it depend on another lib will defeat the whole point |
| 01:25.11 | Computerpunk | I feel like I'm an AddOn to my family. Pl0x make me work through .toc. |
| 01:25.13 | Computerpunk | Fisker! |
| 01:25.15 | Computerpunk | DO IT! |
| 01:25.17 | cbreak | embedded libraries are just files, WoW does not care about their dependency a bit |
| 01:25.20 | Adys | nethertheless, there's very few cases where embedding the thing makes sense |
| 01:25.26 | crazedfred | Adys: well all it needs is AceComm |
| 01:25.30 | Adys | (if its a real lib) |
| 01:25.31 | cbreak | write it's dependencies into the toc that contains the file of the library |
| 01:25.45 | Adys | crazedfred: What does your lib do and why does it need acecomm? |
| 01:25.55 | crazedfred | Adys: http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/libsync/ |
| 01:26.02 | crazedfred | Data synchronization |
| 01:26.21 | crazedfred | I suppose I could make it a "real" addon (not embedded) |
| 01:26.34 | crazedfred | since it'll probably use that other library that does serialization |
| 01:27.24 | Adys | Design Concepts |
| 01:27.24 | Adys | TBD |
| 01:27.24 | Computerpunk | http://images2.memegenerator.net/ImageMacro/4860783/Justin-bieber-Y-U-NO-sing-good.jpg?imageSize=Large&generatorName=Y-U-NO sfw |
| 01:27.29 | Adys | you're off to a great start :P |
| 01:27.49 | crazedfred | Adys: I didn't want to write too much, right now I just want to get the proverbial Hello World going |
| 01:27.59 | Computerpunk | http://images1.memegenerator.net/ImageMacro/4860818/Fisker-Im-waiting.jpg?imageSize=Large&generatorName=Starebert |
| 01:28.10 | crazedfred | Also sometimes it takes a little while to get projects approved |
| 01:28.11 | Arrowmaster | so you dont actually know how you are going to make this library work yet? |
| 01:28.21 | crazedfred | I do, or have some pretty good ideas |
| 01:28.33 | Adys | crazedfred: i know im paternising but you need your design concepts straight if you're writing a lib |
| 01:28.39 | crazedfred | Very true |
| 01:28.44 | Arrowmaster | good luck, this is one of the most attempted and failed projects |
| 01:28.54 | crazedfred | Maybe I'm not being very clear; I am NOT writing the library yet. |
| 01:29.03 | crazedfred | I'm just poking at things to see how I'd set it up. |
| 01:29.18 | crazedfred | Arrowmaster: precisely why I'm trying it |
| 01:29.37 | Arrowmaster | well most attempts dont get very far because its such a complex task |
| 01:30.06 | cbreak | Data syncing? |
| 01:30.13 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 01:30.16 | crazedfred | Arrowmaster: That makes sense. I am attempting it because I have some decent experience with concurrency and networking. |
| 01:30.17 | cbreak | what would be the specs? |
| 01:30.48 | cbreak | syncing so that people on different accounts can exchange text and in the end have the same? |
| 01:30.52 | cbreak | or real time syncing? |
| 01:30.58 | crazedfred | something alone those lines |
| 01:30.58 | bluspacecow | rosed tintied ones |
| 01:31.04 | cbreak | so that at any time, all people involved have the same data set? |
| 01:31.07 | crazedfred | I was working on some use cases |
| 01:31.10 | crazedfred | cbreak: correct |
| 01:31.21 | cbreak | I wrote an addon that did the latter a few years ago |
| 01:31.23 | Computerpunk | cbreak, it's just table storage and accessing a global database, imo. |
| 01:31.28 | Computerpunk | all people? |
| 01:31.28 | cbreak | (in a very limitted use case) |
| 01:31.40 | Computerpunk | AddOn chat too? Aw, good luck. |
| 01:31.41 | Computerpunk | >.> |
| 01:31.42 | crazedfred | The implementation may range anywhere from full-blown Paxos-type stuff to simplistic timestamp-consistence |
| 01:31.59 | cbreak | mine was raid wide, broadcast, incremental data generation |
| 01:32.26 | Computerpunk | Speaking of which, Carbonite should trim its db. |
| 01:32.53 | cbreak | I guess these days no one cares anymore, but: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info8162-ArtPad.html :) |
| 01:32.59 | crazedfred | cbreak: I would want to support that sort of guild/raid/party data sync as well as sync among specific people, but first comes design & feasibility testing |
| 01:33.28 | cbreak | it should not be hard to make something |
| 01:33.32 | cbreak | probably very easy |
| 01:33.33 | crazedfred | probably not |
| 01:33.38 | Adys | crazedfred: write some specs and an explanation of what it can do that someone who's never dealt with the issue would understand; then i'd say you're ready to list the public functions for it, and then to start writing it |
| 01:33.39 | cbreak | but to make it good... hmm :/ |
| 01:33.47 | crazedfred | Adys: I agree |
| 01:33.51 | crazedfred | cbreak: exactly |
| 01:34.27 | cbreak | simpleton implementation of a shared table: just allow pulling from other players, and in conflict cases ask for manual resolution |
| 01:34.35 | cbreak | like copying folders in the file system on windows |
| 01:34.53 | Adys | crazedfred: stop agreeing and do it :) |
| 01:34.58 | Adys | and ask for feedback on every step |
| 01:35.02 | crazedfred | cbreak: I was thinking for an initial version, blindly trust timestamps attached to messages, compare hashes, re-sync as needed |
| 01:35.11 | crazedfred | Adys: lol |
| 01:35.23 | cbreak | you should have some notion of atomicity |
| 01:35.27 | Arrowmaster | but timestamps have their own problems |
| 01:35.30 | Computerpunk | cbreak, I use it, lol. |
| 01:35.33 | Computerpunk | But nobody else does. |
| 01:35.42 | cbreak | so that a table could be atomic, and all it's sub entries are inseparable |
| 01:35.53 | Computerpunk | Don't use that, something different. |
| 01:35.55 | crazedfred | cbreak: I would like to be atomic, but that's harder when you're dealing with an arbitrary number of nodes with arbitrary failures |
| 01:36.17 | cbreak | crazedfred: I don't mean atomic in the database sense |
| 01:36.23 | crazedfred | cbreak: there's algorithms that can compensate for that but they're a pain. |
| 01:36.29 | cbreak | I mean that you have entries in the table that can not be split |
| 01:36.41 | foxlit | You know why everyone writes their own comm stuff? |
| 01:36.44 | cbreak | so that you handle them as one "data thing" |
| 01:37.11 | cbreak | Computerpunk: you use ArtPad? nice :) I didn't even get my own guild to use it :/ |
| 01:37.17 | crazedfred | cbreak: Right, I was thinking handle it as a table regisration |
| 01:37.29 | Computerpunk | cbreak, I love drawing stuff, lol. |
| 01:37.33 | cbreak | crazedfred: so flat, no depth structure? |
| 01:37.34 | Computerpunk | Even though I suck at it. |
| 01:37.53 | crazedfred | cbreak: not sure. You could have it register flat tables only, but an arbitrary number of tables |
| 01:37.58 | cbreak | Computerpunk: in a test run I had so many penises on the raid boss, I had to add raid admin only mode :/ |
| 01:38.05 | crazedfred | cbreak: I bet depth could be achieved with Lua meta-tables? |
| 01:38.06 | Computerpunk | LOL. |
| 01:38.27 | cbreak | crazedfred: stay away from metatables in that comm stuff if you want to keep your sanity |
| 01:38.27 | Computerpunk | Funky, I'm outdated. |
| 01:38.28 | crazedfred | cbreak: I'd want data syncing of a portion of a table to be possible, obviously, so I need to know what fields change |
| 01:38.31 | Computerpunk | Curse.com only has r6. |
| 01:38.43 | crazedfred | cbreak: drat |
| 01:38.57 | crazedfred | cbreak: another alternative is to use functions for data changes |
| 01:39.11 | crazedfred | what's the issue with meta-tables? |
| 01:39.14 | cbreak | crazedfred: you can not do it that way. you have to be able to sync dead tables |
| 01:39.30 | crazedfred | "dead" tables? |
| 01:39.44 | cbreak | those you had no control over until they entered your control |
| 01:39.47 | crazedfred | have a getTable() function...? or am I misunderstanding |
| 01:39.51 | Computerpunk | cbreak, one major issue would be having unsynced dbs by not having two people logged at the same time. |
| 01:40.01 | cbreak | yeah |
| 01:40.14 | crazedfred | Computerpunk: yeah, there's ugly edge cases |
| 01:40.34 | crazedfred | in computer science most algorithms that solve this problem assume some N number of nodes will not fail |
| 01:40.37 | cbreak | crazedfred: the reason I would make it possible for tables to be marked as atomic is validity |
| 01:40.39 | crazedfred | but in WoW that number is zero |
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| 01:41.16 | crazedfred | so really a "correct" solution to this problem is impossible, or at least an unsolved problem |
| 01:41.20 | cbreak | if you have a table { 1, 2, 3, 4}, and I have the same, then one of us changes it to { 1, 2, 3, 4, 5} and the other to { 1, 2, 3, 4, 6}, what would be the correct merge? |
| 01:41.50 | cbreak | crazedfred: that's why I said you have to be able to work with dead tables. |
| 01:41.52 | Computerpunk | cbreak, me and my officers use it, since I usually draw hierarchies. |
| 01:41.58 | crazedfred | cbreak: without using some complex algorithm, the answer is indeterminate |
| 01:42.01 | cbreak | when you log in, and someone else logs in, and your tables differ |
| 01:42.05 | crazedfred | right |
| 01:42.13 | cbreak | crazedfred: nah, without human intervention the answer is undecidable |
| 01:42.20 | crazedfred | sure |
| 01:42.32 | Computerpunk | I'd say { 'f', 'i', 's', 'k', 'e', 'r' } |
| 01:42.37 | Computerpunk | best table output for that case cbreak. |
| 01:42.42 | crazedfred | One design decision I was considering is not supporting log-offs |
| 01:42.54 | cbreak | then it'd be fairly useless |
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| 01:42.59 | crazedfred | I disagree |
| 01:43.03 | Torhal | Synch as much as possible. Not supporting stuff because it's hard is fail. |
| 01:43.11 | crazedfred | A lot of use cases for these are things that are easily retrievable when online: cooldowns, inventory, etc. |
| 01:43.22 | Computerpunk | crazedfred, got a question, what environment would you use the Lib in? |
| 01:43.27 | Torhal | Then name the lib LibOnlineSync |
| 01:43.29 | Computerpunk | Explain some cases where it would be used? |
| 01:43.31 | cbreak | for those you don't need syncing |
| 01:43.36 | cbreak | you just need broadcast |
| 01:43.42 | cbreak | maybe broadcast query |
| 01:43.44 | crazedfred | Torhal: was talking about initial versions |
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| 01:44.02 | Computerpunk | crazedfred, fork project when it becomes more complex/ |
| 01:44.02 | Computerpunk | :P |
| 01:44.11 | crazedfred | cbreak: UI frame positions, etc |
| 01:44.22 | Computerpunk | Why would you need to give out that info? |
| 01:44.28 | cbreak | those are so unportable it makes zero sense to sync it |
| 01:44.29 | Arrowmaster | when i last tried to solve this problem i thought of doing something like writing git in lua and using the history and how far apart each node is from their shared point in history to attempt to decide which should be kept and which should be rebased onto the other |
| 01:44.35 | cbreak | I can't even sync that between my own account! |
| 01:44.37 | crazedfred | cbreak: not in my case |
| 01:44.41 | cbreak | (different characters) |
| 01:44.44 | cbreak | or different computers |
| 01:44.48 | crazedfred | Arrowmaster: haha, very cool |
| 01:44.49 | Computerpunk | Thing is, you can grab those from Events too. |
| 01:44.50 | cbreak | because the whole geometry changes |
| 01:44.52 | Computerpunk | Or even combatlog. |
| 01:45.18 | Computerpunk | No need for syncing, especially, why would a character need that info if they're not in your interactable range? |
| 01:45.31 | Computerpunk | Cool thing knowing your whole guild's hearthstone cooldown, but come on. |
| 01:45.32 | Computerpunk | :p |
| 01:45.42 | Computerpunk | It's not like you end up hunting your own Guildie Paladins. |
| 01:45.59 | Computerpunk | (And I know Bubblehearth isn't possible anymore) |
| 01:46.07 | crazedfred | what?! lol |
| 01:46.10 | crazedfred | good nerf |
| 01:46.29 | cbreak | it's not? |
| 01:46.30 | cbreak | why? |
| 01:46.32 | crazedfred | Computerpunk: a few of these things would be essentially broadcasts, or could be replaced by broadcasts |
| 01:46.32 | cbreak | how? |
| 01:48.25 | Computerpunk | cbreak, hearthstone cast time 8 seconds |
| 01:48.27 | Computerpunk | bubble: 6 seconds |
| 01:48.33 | crazedfred | hahahahaha |
| 01:48.33 | Computerpunk | or sec. |
| 01:48.36 | cbreak | ! |
| 01:48.48 | Computerpunk | Cast time10 seconds |
| 01:48.49 | Computerpunk | bubble 8 |
| 01:48.51 | cbreak | just when my guild got 15 min HS |
| 01:49.05 | Computerpunk | We got it some time ago. |
| 01:49.10 | Computerpunk | Reinforce Rank 2, here I come. |
| 01:49.10 | crazedfred | best change ever IMO |
| 01:49.28 | Computerpunk | No man. |
| 01:49.30 | Computerpunk | :<. |
| 01:49.35 | Computerpunk | Just when I started leveling a Pala alt. |
| 01:49.35 | Computerpunk | lol |
| 01:49.36 | crazedfred | heh |
| 01:49.45 | Computerpunk | <crazedfred> Computerpunk: a few of these things would be essentially broadcasts, or could be replaced by broadcasts |
| 01:49.48 | crazedfred | to be fair I've never had a paladin bubble-hearth on me |
| 01:49.52 | Computerpunk | Why would you ditch Events? |
| 01:50.07 | crazedfred | Computerpunk: which events? |
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| 01:50.24 | cbreak | combat log events |
| 01:50.24 | Computerpunk | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events |
| 01:50.28 | crazedfred | Oh sure |
| 01:50.29 | Computerpunk | and combat log ones |
| 01:50.41 | Computerpunk | Why would you broadcast, let's say, an item usage. |
| 01:50.46 | Computerpunk | When it's given by the combat log as a spell cast? |
| 01:50.53 | crazedfred | I want things that aren't in the log or events to by synchronized |
| 01:51.04 | crazedfred | Spell casts sure, go for it |
| 01:51.09 | Computerpunk | Define exactly WHAT. |
| 01:51.16 | Computerpunk | Because there might be a better way to do it. |
| 01:52.00 | Computerpunk | cbreak, random retard joined the guild, friend of a core raider. I sometimes wish breathing wasn't an innate reflex. |
| 01:52.00 | crazedfred | I'd want things like spell cooldowns, inventory, and bags information to always be available regardless of same zone/etc |
| 01:52.38 | Adys | blinks twice |
| 01:52.40 | Computerpunk | Purpose of knowing them? |
| 01:52.46 | Computerpunk | Adys |
| 01:52.54 | crazedfred | One application would be multiboxing |
| 01:53.04 | crazedfred | I'm looking to augment Jamba |
| 01:53.21 | cbreak | multi boxing sounds like a bad reason |
| 01:53.29 | crazedfred | cbreak: for? |
| 01:53.34 | cbreak | multi boxers are like, in the same spot of the world |
| 01:53.35 | Adys | crazedfred: What exactly is your lib supposed to do? |
| 01:53.57 | cbreak | they are controlled by multiplexing input events to multiple WoW instances |
| 01:54.08 | Adys | crazedfred: data syncing is supposed to be abstract, and the data you're synchronizing is irrelevant |
| 01:54.11 | cbreak | you can't control several characters that way if they are not at the same spot in the world |
| 01:54.19 | Adys | unless i misunderstood the purpose of your lib |
| 01:54.26 | crazedfred | cbreak: I know how multiboxing works :) I am one |
| 01:54.30 | cbreak | Adys: still seeking purpose :) |
| 01:54.41 | crazedfred | I'm getting put through the wringer here |
| 01:54.58 | crazedfred | Adys: explain what you're not getting |
| 01:55.00 | cbreak | likes to theorize |
| 01:55.18 | Adys | crazedfred: I don't get why you're worrying about bag info, inventory and cooldowns. |
| 01:55.43 | crazedfred | Adys: I see. Do you want a list of problems that would be solved by knowing my team's bags/inventory/cooldowns/equipment? |
| 01:56.04 | Adys | no; I want a list of problems your lib solves |
| 01:56.05 | crazedfred | Or rather, by writing an addon that has that information available |
| 01:56.26 | Adys | yes, and that addon has nothing to do with your lib except its usage |
| 01:56.52 | crazedfred | Separation of tasks? Possible overlap? |
| 01:56.58 | cbreak | but anyway, syncing inventory/cooldown states is cake |
| 01:57.06 | cbreak | very easy, since there are no conflicts |
| 01:57.11 | cbreak | there's always an authorative source |
| 01:57.16 | crazedfred | The library's job would be to keep a common data set across multiple characters, the specifics of which I aim to refine for my addon and what other authors might want |
| 01:57.29 | crazedfred | cbreak: RIGHT, but that is NOT the only type of source of data I wish to support. |
| 01:57.30 | cbreak | the real engineering is for syncing dead data, that you have no clear source |
| 01:57.39 | crazedfred | cbreak: correct |
| 01:58.11 | cbreak | I thought about an addon like a shared text document with many pages |
| 01:58.18 | cbreak | one for each boss, where you can write strategies into |
| 01:58.22 | cbreak | something like that |
| 01:58.40 | cbreak | you could also note down which loot those bosses dropped, and so on. |
| 01:58.48 | cbreak | of course, these days, such an addon would be worthless |
| 01:58.56 | crazedfred | Adys: if you're confused why I would write a library separate from the addon, it's because I feel like data sync/broadcast is done individually by EVERY SINGLE freaking addon that needs it, and it's probably done poorly, and since I need a decent sub-set of that functionality anyway, why not generalize it. |
| 01:58.57 | cbreak | because you can just look up all the strategies on the net without thinking |
| 01:59.05 | Adys | crazedfred: Im not confused by that |
| 01:59.14 | Adys | I'm confused at why you worry about the addons |
| 01:59.15 | crazedfred | For example. I use LevelBuddy. It's awesome, but has random bugs, and I feel like those bugs are probably in the networking part |
| 01:59.24 | Computerpunk | cbreak, and loot tables on wowhead. |
| 01:59.33 | cbreak | exactly |
| 01:59.37 | cbreak | and spells too... |
| 02:00.00 | Computerpunk | cbreak, there are a few problems there. :D |
| 02:00.03 | crazedfred | Adys: "worry about the addons?" |
| 02:00.30 | Computerpunk | Loot tables are usually updated when Creature data is parsed. Therefore after a combat fight, spells it uses, etc. |
| 02:00.34 | cbreak | there are programmers who don't think of "Use Cases" for their libraries :) |
| 02:00.35 | Computerpunk | Spells are client data. |
| 02:00.58 | Computerpunk | crazedfred, generally, AddOns to broadcasts using Blizzard API. You cannot improve it more than the APi lets you. |
| 02:01.03 | Adys | thinking of use cases for your libs is fine, but if your library is COMPLETELY abstract there's no point spending hours on it |
| 02:01.36 | crazedfred | Adys: oh absolutely, I was just thinking about potential use cases since that should come SOME time before coding :P |
| 02:02.58 | crazedfred | Adys: the reason I've spent an hour on nothing is because everyone here has apparently seen these things fall apart before >< |
| 02:03.29 | crazedfred | Computerpunk: and? |
| 02:05.27 | Computerpunk | crazedfred, "and it's probably done poorly". If it's done poorly, check it out and see its flaws. If it seems pretty fine, it's a Blizzard thing. |
| 02:06.04 | Computerpunk | I'm off to sleep. |
| 02:06.43 | Computerpunk | 4AM, haven't slept for some time. |
| 02:20.31 | cbreak | great... guild rank 18 gives 10% more justice point gain |
| 02:20.37 | cbreak | I already have nothing to spend them on :/ |
| 02:21.45 | Adys | you realize they add more gear every tier right |
| 02:23.55 | Gnarfoz | or to be precise: what is now Valor Point stuff becomes Justice Point stuff next tier |
| 02:25.20 | Adys | ish |
| 02:31.41 | foxlit | cbreak: roll more alts, buy more 1-80 heirlooms |
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| 02:40.06 | Adys | Gosh why don't I rewatch the firefly s1 finale more often. The episode is hilarious |
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| 02:57.43 | Kraps | Adys: because its the last one |
| 02:58.06 | Adys | it's not actually |
| 02:58.14 | Adys | its just the last one that was aired |
| 02:58.23 | Kraps | ... |
| 02:58.35 | Kraps | there were no others made |
| 02:58.46 | Adys | yes, that doesnt mean its the last one |
| 02:58.49 | Adys | it was something like ep 10 in the script order iirc |
| 02:59.48 | cbreak | there were episodes which never aired? |
| 02:59.57 | cbreak | and they aren't on the piratebay? |
| 03:00.02 | cbreak | what has the world come to... |
| 03:00.09 | cbreak | (what is firefly?) |
| 03:00.17 | kd3 | gasps |
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| 03:01.20 | Kraps | let us sacrifice him to the geek gods and hope they forgive this sacrilege |
| 03:02.46 | Adys | er |
| 03:02.54 | Adys | all i said is fox is guilty of not airing in script order :P |
| 03:03.21 | Adys | why's firefly such a geek stereotype |
| 03:03.34 | Kraps | i dont know |
| 03:03.37 | Kraps | but it is |
| 03:04.06 | Kraps | summer glau and nathan fillion are 2 reasons |
| 03:04.28 | Kraps | joss wheadon is a third |
| 03:05.03 | Arrowmaster | why would you watch firefly in the air order? |
| 03:05.42 | Arrowmaster | the last one to air was actually the 2 part pilot |
| 03:05.54 | Arrowmaster | thats how badly fox fucked it up |
| 03:06.47 | Kraps | this is the proper watch order http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Firefly_episodes |
| 03:07.44 | Arrowmaster | 11, 12, and 13 were never aired in the US and are listed on the DVDs as unaired |
| 03:20.36 | Shirik | [Guild] [] Well balanced guild group looking for 3 dps 1 tank |
| 03:20.41 | Shirik | I feel bad for him :( |
| 03:21.08 | Trela | D: |
| 03:21.24 | Adys | he's a healer |
| 03:21.26 | Adys | of course its well balanced |
| 03:31.27 | Mr_Rabies | Shirik: did that taintlog help at all or was it run over way too long of a period? |
| 03:34.16 | Shirik | Mr_Rabies: I haven't had a chance to look at it yet |
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| 03:50.37 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: how do you know it was for a 5-man? |
| 03:55.59 | bleeter | prolly 'coz it reads far better if one believes enough ;) |
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| 04:01.57 | Mr_Rabies | BAH WHAT AM I PAYING YOU FOR SHIRIK |
| 04:22.25 | Torhal | Mr_Rabies: You aren't. |
| 04:23.40 | Thunder_Child | how do you know? |
| 04:25.37 | Amarande | gah, blasted rares |
| 04:25.49 | Amarande | still need another dwarf digsite to pop to finish this. just three more blasted fragments! |
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| 04:38.23 | mckenziemc | is there a way to get a list of every program i have installed on an Ubuntu system (so that i have a reference point, and later i can make a new list and compare to see everything i installed manually) |
| 04:39.34 | Arrowmaster | dpkg --get-selections |
| 04:39.55 | mckenziemc | thanks |
| 04:41.51 | Shirik | ~framexml |
| 04:41.51 | purl | Download FrameXML code/art from http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?locale=en_US&articleId=21466 ; or view it online at http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source , http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser or http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml |
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| 04:51.32 | airtonix | lawl newbs http://www.moviecodec.com/file-types/cant-play-xvid-imbt-1248/ |
| 04:52.17 | airtonix | i wonder how many problems the "Hide extensions for known filetypes" causes |
| 04:52.38 | Amarande | ok, this is odd, I just got +15 from solving a common artifact |
| 04:52.44 | Amarande | and I could swear this isn't the first time |
| 04:52.47 | kd3 | which? |
| 04:53.03 | Amarande | kd3: zandalari voodoo doll, in this case |
| 04:53.10 | Amarande | I'm foggy on what the other one I thought I saw it with was |
| 04:53.40 | Amarande | I was at ... 360 or 365, I think it was, and then I solve it and next thing it pops up "you've earned the achievement Master of Archaeology!" |
| 04:54.52 | airtonix | you should totally get a job at a museum |
| 05:00.20 | Sixen | o/ kd3 |
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| 05:33.26 | Kraps | http://revision3.com/unboxingporn/cataclysm |
| 05:54.14 | Kraps | http://revision3.com/unboxingporn/blackops |
| 06:02.08 | Amarande | ok wtf. I still have an ilvl 52 and ilvl 54 item and I'm in NORTHREND. |
| 06:07.24 | Amarande | also: is the calendar on the armory bugged? |
| 06:07.39 | Amarande | it's saying that the fishing contests are now at 2 *AM* on Sunday and Saturday rather than in the afternoon. |
| 06:07.49 | Amarande | or did they really move them to the middle of the night now, perhaps to cater to people who work? |
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| 06:09.57 | mckenziemc | Amarande: ingame calendar says 2pm for both |
| 06:10.56 | Amarande | armory must be buggy then. which is odd, because the ending time for Winter Veil was correct |
| 06:11.11 | Amarande | you'd think if it was going to be 12 hours off it would be off for everything |
| 06:12.59 | mckenziemc | hehe |
| 06:15.12 | Amarande | I'm still half surprised I didn't manage to replace my belt from Swamp of Sorrows yet, and already I'm in Northrend. |
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| 06:15.27 | Amarande | Only half-surprised, because with all the xp from archaeology and herbalism, you end up missing a lot of content |
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| 06:52.22 | Fisker | farts |
| 07:00.20 | Nobgul | farts fictive |
| 07:00.25 | Nobgul | damn tab fail |
| 07:00.28 | Nobgul | Fisker! |
| 07:02.26 | Fisker | Nobgul |
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| 07:03.56 | Fisker | i |
| 07:03.58 | Fisker | came |
| 07:04.28 | Nobgul | lol |
| 07:05.45 | Fisker | http://www.anandtech.com/show/4083/the-sandy-bridge-review-intel-core-i5-2600k-i5-2500k-and-core-i3-2100-tested/1 |
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| 07:06.27 | Fisker | Alram |
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| 07:06.29 | Fisker | do it |
| 07:09.36 | Fisker | Alram |
| 07:09.39 | Fisker | i will destroy you |
| 07:11.21 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 07:11.24 | Shirik | I have destroyed you |
| 07:11.25 | Shirik | have a nice day |
| 07:11.58 | Alram | "ok" "fisker" |
| 07:13.14 | Fisker | no Shirik |
| 07:13.17 | Fisker | pl0x Alram :( |
| 07:13.21 | Fisker | sandy bridge is cooooooooool |
| 07:17.08 | Fisker | my stomach Shirik |
| 07:17.11 | Fisker | it's exploding |
| 07:17.48 | Shirik | k |
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| 07:31.32 | kd3 | oh, science, how you terrify me so: http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/2008/02/26/sand_wont_save_you_this_time.php |
| 07:33.03 | Dagmar | Wow that sounds like fun stuff |
| 07:33.45 | unfo- | kd3, woah |
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| 07:45.14 | Fisker | science damn you kd3 |
| 07:48.55 | Xyphoid | that whole things i won't work with tag on there is awesome |
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| 07:50.02 | kd3 | the "msds" provided by the distributor of ClF3 is enlightening, and equally terrifying |
| 07:50.18 | kd3 | and yes, that is an amusing category to hand to some of my chemist friends who don't already read it |
| 07:52.48 | Maldivia | sounds like the obvious party starter... |
| 07:57.40 | karl_w_w | ignites glass |
| 07:57.43 | karl_w_w | nice |
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| 09:03.40 | fictive | hey! |
| 09:03.44 | fictive | stop farting me, Nobgul |
| 09:04.55 | mckenziemc | farts Fisker. |
| 09:10.50 | mckenziemc | ~fiskerslap |
| 09:10.50 | purl | ACTION slaps a large trout around a bit with Fisker. |
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| 09:49.00 | airtonix | is DisplayPort going to be a daisy chainable thing ? |
| 09:49.23 | TMc51 | I think so |
| 09:49.25 | Arrowmaster | i think it can |
| 09:50.40 | airtonix | just so were are talking about the same end result : |
| 09:50.47 | airtonix | one displayport on the machine : |
| 09:50.56 | airtonix | four million displays |
| 09:51.16 | TMc51 | wouldnt have the bandwidth for that, but yes, it has the bandwidth to run multiple monitors on a single port. |
| 09:51.18 | airtonix | four million displayport cables |
| 09:51.34 | zenzio | bandwidth? |
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| 09:51.38 | airtonix | your face? |
| 09:51.39 | zenzio | imagine the power consumption of those monitors |
| 09:51.45 | airtonix | its ok |
| 09:51.56 | airtonix | i have a hamelgenerator |
| 09:52.09 | airtonix | doubles as a freezer under high load |
| 09:52.45 | TMc51 | I have a cold fusion reactor in my basement. |
| 09:52.53 | airtonix | no you don't |
| 09:52.55 | airtonix | not anymore |
| 09:53.05 | TMc51 | you're right, I have 3 of them now. |
| 09:53.08 | airtonix | hear that sound? |
| 09:53.18 | airtonix | it's the sound of your basement going BOOM |
| 09:53.21 | TMc51 | lol |
| 09:53.39 | TMc51 | My basement is 3 miles below ground. |
| 09:53.50 | TMc51 | with 2 miles of solid lead inbetween there and me. |
| 09:54.37 | airtonix | when i was kid we used to use pieces of string between the moon and the washing line |
| 09:54.49 | airtonix | generated electricity from the vibrations |
| 09:55.36 | TMc51 | Meh, when I was a kid, we used to JUMP to the moon, and get free cheese. |
| 09:58.28 | airtonix | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:58.28 | airtonix | test engineers |
| 09:58.28 | airtonix | lulz |
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| 10:28.38 | mckenziemc | regarding the mechano-hog and the reagents that are only available from vendors -- can someone else buy the mats and trade them to the engineer, or does the engineer have to buy the parts himself |
| 10:29.40 | mckenziemc | nvm wowhead comments for at least one item say it only shows after you get the schematic |
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| 11:34.38 | Arrowmaster | "you claim to be a creation of my mind and yet you are in no way dressed provocatively" |
| 11:34.50 | Arrowmaster | stargate atlantis has some great quotes |
| 11:37.24 | jnwhiteh | Adys: 'upgraded' the site, let me know if you have issues. |
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| 11:41.35 | Arrowmaster | rofl "ah come on your a figment of my imagionation, the least you could do is take your top off" |
| 11:41.39 | Arrowmaster | great episode |
| 11:43.16 | Kalroth | :D |
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| 12:00.04 | airtonix | http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/9/7/5/5/0/0/webimg/317645789_o.jpg?nc=964 |
| 12:00.06 | airtonix | lulz |
| 12:00.22 | airtonix | license to rip people off |
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| 12:00.32 | Trela | o.o; |
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| 12:13.13 | Jamash | gj netflix http://mooninaut.blogspot.com/2011/01/thanks-netflix.html |
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| 12:14.27 | Kalroth | silverlight :( |
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| 12:16.57 | Nobgul | lol |
| 12:17.28 | Nobgul | There was usposedly a andriod app for viewing netflix. I can't find it anywhere. |
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| 12:18.05 | Jamash | I have a phone which can make and receive calls and text messages. |
| 12:18.13 | Nobgul | lol |
| 12:19.05 | Jamash | only way I'm getting an android phone is if it comes free with my breakfast cereal |
| 12:19.20 | greppy | Nobgul: netflix has stated that there are too many security concerns with android to support it at this time. basically they can't get a DRM system that the studios will agree to yet. |
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| 12:21.27 | Jamash | I wonder if that stupid duck will remember he can fly. |
| 12:21.46 | Nobgul | greppy, Yea they also are advertising that it will work via google tv |
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| 12:25.59 | Jamash | (the duck is the movie studios, remembering that he can fly is remembering that if you give customers no legal way to watch stuff they'll just bootleg) |
| 12:30.23 | p3lim | the above frame's backdrop on this picture is "fuzzy", anyone know why it is? http://i.imgur.com/JDV7f.png |
| 12:30.28 | p3lim | both frames use the same code |
| 12:31.40 | airtonix | lulz |
| 12:32.47 | p3lim | got no bloody idea why they are like that, cant fix it neither |
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| 13:33.03 | zenzio | snuggles Lopeppeppy! |
| 13:33.28 | Lopeppeppy | heya, zenzio. Happy new year. |
| 13:33.38 | zenzio | you too! |
| 13:33.54 | zenzio | settled back home? Cats allowed you to unpack? |
| 13:34.35 | Lopeppeppy | I got home a few days late, but I've been re-settled since last Wednesday. Just had a hideous cold and been in bed the whole time! :) |
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| 13:35.45 | cbreak | "Chip&Pin is broken"... what a surprise... wonder who's stupid enough to use it anyway. |
| 13:36.32 | Lopeppeppy | a monkey? |
| 13:36.38 | zenzio | what is/was Chip&Pin? |
| 13:37.00 | cbreak | some insecure card payment system |
| 13:37.26 | jnwhiteh | that's used all over europe |
| 13:37.31 | jnwhiteh | as a standard |
| 13:37.35 | jnwhiteh | obligatory in the UK |
| 13:37.46 | jnwhiteh | like swipe/sign is any more secure =) |
| 13:38.01 | Kalroth | is chip and pin like fish and chip? |
| 13:38.07 | cbreak | cash is more secure |
| 13:38.18 | cbreak | because the losses are bounded by the value of the money |
| 13:38.36 | cbreak | it's not like carrying around your whole bank account :) |
| 13:38.41 | jnwhiteh | I don't use cash |
| 13:38.52 | jnwhiteh | visa/mastercard already protect you |
| 13:38.55 | alestane | huggles Lopeppeppy and pets her cats. Good Morning! |
| 13:38.59 | jnwhiteh | quite a bit, asctually |
| 13:39.06 | cbreak | how do they protect me? |
| 13:39.12 | cbreak | by taking more of my money? |
| 13:39.20 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 13:39.29 | jnwhiteh | by preventing your liability in the case of a lost or stolen card |
| 13:39.38 | ZorbaTHut | yeah they actually do protect you, credit cards have quite good protection in that regard |
| 13:39.51 | ZorbaTHut | someone bills you for something you don't agree to, you just call up visa/mastercard and say "uh no" and they take it off |
| 13:39.55 | cbreak | well, unfortunately this chip&pin thing does not |
| 13:39.58 | jnwhiteh | so not sure what you're on about |
| 13:39.59 | jnwhiteh | yes it does |
| 13:40.00 | jnwhiteh | dude |
| 13:40.03 | jnwhiteh | I have chip and pin |
| 13:40.05 | jnwhiteh | use it every day |
| 13:40.09 | jnwhiteh | my card, is a visa card |
| 13:40.15 | cbreak | apparently 44% of the people who get defrauded don't get the money back |
| 13:40.22 | ZorbaTHut | the problem with things like chip/pin is when they say "aha but chip/pin is secure and therefore you must have agreed to this charge" and you say "uh no" and they say "lalala can't hear you lalala" |
| 13:40.38 | jnwhiteh | indeed, that's the issue |
| 13:40.47 | jnwhiteh | that and the system in the first place |
| 13:41.12 | ZorbaTHut | chip/pin isn't really a terrible idea in itself - it's certainly better than the current have-something-vaguely-resembling-a-credit-card-and-then-sign-it-with-an-x system |
| 13:41.25 | ZorbaTHut | it's just when they start pretending it's 100% secure that it becomes a problem. |
| 13:41.28 | jnwhiteh | hehe |
| 13:43.07 | Kalroth | I've used a visa for the last 10 years, never had issues getting my money back from shitty vendors |
| 13:43.14 | Kalroth | never been hacked though |
| 13:43.35 | Kalroth | (hacked as in money withdrawed without my permission) |
| 13:43.46 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, alestane |
| 13:44.18 | cbreak | http://datatomb.de/mirror/CCC/27C3/mp4-h264-HQ/, the file 27c3-4211-en-chip_and_pin_is_broken.mp4 |
| 13:44.29 | cbreak | have just started to watch, so don't know the details yet |
| 13:46.19 | jnwhiteh | this is old news, however |
| 13:46.31 | jnwhiteh | well, this may be new news, but the chip and pin system being insecure is fairly well known |
| 13:46.43 | Kalroth | chaos computer club likes to make noise every now and then |
| 13:47.03 | jnwhiteh | well they're doing it from the advocate perspective |
| 13:47.04 | jnwhiteh | which is good |
| 13:47.12 | cbreak | there are new problems every few months |
| 13:47.26 | jnwhiteh | yes |
| 13:47.46 | cbreak | last problem I read on the net was that they can, if they get your card, perform a transaction without you entering the key code |
| 13:47.51 | Kalroth | "your house is unsafe if I make a copy of your housekey!!" |
| 13:48.04 | Kalroth | cbreak: uhh, yeah? that's hardly news |
| 13:48.04 | Lopeppeppy | oh noes! |
| 13:48.14 | cbreak | Kalroth: oh, it is news |
| 13:48.15 | jnwhiteh | yes, if they have your card and can use a small device without being stopped, they can use your card |
| 13:48.31 | jnwhiteh | cambridge (iirc) showed that a while ago |
| 13:48.37 | cbreak | Kalroth: because apparently, the system is totally secure, so if a payment happens, it's your fault |
| 13:48.40 | Kalroth | trust me, I work with CC machines, it is not news :) |
| 13:49.51 | Kalroth | one of the major danish payment providers didnt even check the check digit until last year |
| 13:50.14 | Kalroth | it based the transaction entirely on owner name, number, date and expiration |
| 13:50.22 | Kalroth | er, not even owner name |
| 13:50.35 | zenzio | http://notalwaysright.com/alarm-bells-will-be-ringing/9247 |
| 13:50.37 | cbreak | idiots. |
| 13:50.47 | Kalroth | no, they're not idiots, it is how it works |
| 13:50.50 | jnwhiteh | why are you so upset about this? |
| 13:50.55 | jnwhiteh | that's what I'm confused about |
| 13:51.14 | jnwhiteh | you don't seem to even have one of the card, and everything you're sharing is fairly well known in the community of "computer-based-internet-peoples" |
| 13:51.19 | cbreak | I am not upset, I have the desire to make fun of them. |
| 13:51.26 | zenzio | and yes, this has been old news for a long time in Europe |
| 13:51.26 | jnwhiteh | so your conviction confuses me |
| 13:51.29 | jnwhiteh | oh |
| 13:51.33 | jnwhiteh | well, have fun then |
| 13:51.35 | Kalroth | It's the other way around, cbreak :P |
| 13:52.11 | Kalroth | Even my grandma doesn't use cash anymore |
| 13:52.18 | Kalroth | and she hates computers |
| 13:53.06 | zenzio | heck, there's regular talk about disallowing cash sales for various things and above certain sums here |
| 13:53.21 | cbreak | ... |
| 13:53.36 | Kalroth | which is a good idea, people walking around with large amounts of cash is dumb |
| 13:53.42 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm, cash! |
| 13:54.30 | greppy | is considering switching to primarily cash instead of cc/debit cards. |
| 13:55.31 | Kalroth | I haven't had cash on me for ages now, it's been a long time since I've encountered a shop where they didnt accept cards |
| 13:56.31 | zenzio | I rarely carry more than 10-20 dollars (worth of Norwegian cash) |
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| 13:57.28 | Lopeppeppy | I live in a touristy area, there are still a lot of stalls/booths/etc. that are cash only. In the US at least, there are per-transaction fees to vendors for the use of credit cards, so teeny vendors just don't accept them. |
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| 13:58.47 | cbreak | There are quite a few small shops here that don't accept cards (or only reluctantly) |
| 13:58.49 | Kalroth | yeah, that is still an issue |
| 13:58.54 | cbreak | the bigger chains all do |
| 13:59.21 | Kalroth | thank god for our socialst government, we got a max on card fees her :) |
| 13:59.59 | cbreak | the reasons I like cash is that I have total control on maximal liability |
| 14:00.01 | zenzio | well you Americans still use checks too, don't you? Freaks |
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| 14:00.11 | cbreak | well, one of them |
| 14:01.37 | Kalroth | you mean you like the illusion of total control :) |
| 14:02.03 | cbreak | no. the most I can lose with cash is 100% of the cash. |
| 14:02.23 | Fisker | omg jnwhiteh |
| 14:02.24 | Fisker | a bomb |
| 14:02.33 | Kalroth | so you can't lose more than 100% of everything you got? :P |
| 14:02.38 | cbreak | no |
| 14:02.47 | cbreak | I can't lose more than 100% of the stuff I have with me |
| 14:02.54 | Kalroth | oh, so where is the rest? |
| 14:02.59 | Kalroth | in your matress? |
| 14:03.02 | cbreak | bank account. |
| 14:03.09 | Kalroth | so you trust your bank afterall? |
| 14:03.16 | cbreak | what do you mean? |
| 14:03.33 | Kalroth | well you don't trust credit/debit cards, right? |
| 14:03.38 | cbreak | no |
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| 14:03.47 | cbreak | did you read their eulas? |
| 14:03.57 | Kalroth | did you read your banks eula? |
| 14:04.01 | cbreak | yes |
| 14:04.08 | Kalroth | no, you think you did |
| 14:04.11 | Kalroth | but you haven't |
| 14:05.17 | cbreak | it's easy to fake payment with some of those cards. So why should I be responsible for fraudulent charges? |
| 14:05.26 | Kalroth | You aren't? |
| 14:05.45 | cbreak | I am |
| 14:05.49 | cbreak | at least that's what visa claims |
| 14:05.58 | cbreak | (if I opt in to that verified by visa thing) |
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| 14:05.59 | Kalroth | I mean, last I checked, I'm not responsible for fraudulent charges. And I got a visa. |
| 14:06.07 | Lunessa | station |
| 14:06.21 | cbreak | last time I read the eula it said that I am responsible |
| 14:06.25 | Kalroth | http://usa.visa.com/personal/security/visa_security_program/zero_liability.html |
| 14:07.50 | cbreak | "The cardholder recognises that the use of his/her card with the 3-D Secure password and security message is deemed analogous to the card being used by the cardholder with a PIN number. A binding obligation therefore arises for the cardholder for purchases, transactions and any other business undertaken via the Internet and for the resulting charges to the cardholderâs card. The |
| 14:07.50 | cbreak | risks resulting from misuse of the card with the matching 3-D Secure password and security message lie with the cardholder as is the case for the use of the card with a PIN number." |
| 14:07.57 | cbreak | so, full liability |
| 14:08.16 | Kalroth | what the hell is a 3-D secure password |
| 14:08.30 | cbreak | some new visa thing |
| 14:08.42 | cbreak | you have to enter a password to validate online payments |
| 14:08.49 | cbreak | instead of just the number on the front and back of the card |
| 14:09.01 | Kalroth | oh that |
| 14:09.11 | Kalroth | heh, it's just the 3 digit check number |
| 14:09.17 | cbreak | "Verified by visa" |
| 14:09.21 | cbreak | no, not the 3 digit code |
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| 14:09.25 | cbreak | a password that is user chosen |
| 14:09.27 | Kalroth | yeah, CVV2 |
| 14:09.31 | Kalroth | oh |
| 14:09.49 | Kalroth | I don't have any passwords assigned to my card, dunno about that |
| 14:09.58 | Kalroth | but I've used the CVV for ages without issues |
| 14:10.31 | cbreak | I haven't had any issues |
| 14:10.36 | cbreak | but I have paranoia |
| 14:10.41 | Kalroth | where did you see that about the liability? |
| 14:10.48 | cbreak | in the AGB |
| 14:10.58 | cbreak | Allgemeine Benutzer Bedingungen |
| 14:11.00 | cbreak | like an EULA |
| 14:11.12 | cbreak | http://www.viseca.ch/Documents/Misc/AGB_3-D_Secure_EN.pdf |
| 14:11.14 | Fisker | vbv i s shit |
| 14:11.16 | Fisker | in hell |
| 14:11.39 | cbreak | viseca is some card payment processing company |
| 14:11.46 | cbreak | they handle visa and master cards |
| 14:11.58 | Kalroth | that is only when the password is involved |
| 14:12.03 | Kraps | http://www.thedailyblink.com/comics/2011-01-03-093.jpg |
| 14:12.05 | Kalroth | not on normal transactions |
| 14:12.43 | cbreak | it says "as much liability as with code" |
| 14:12.58 | Kalroth | so no liability then |
| 14:13.13 | cbreak | " A binding obligation therefore arises for the cardholder for purchases, transactions and any other business undertaken via the Internet and for the resulting charges to the cardholderâs card." |
| 14:13.44 | Kalroth | Yes, that is if YOU or anyone YOU allowed to use the card, makes a transation |
| 14:13.53 | Kalroth | You aren't liable for transactions YOU didn't make |
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| 14:13.59 | cbreak | "The risks resulting from misuse of the card with the matching 3-D Secure password and security message lie with the cardholder as is the case for the use of the card with a PIN number." To me that sounds like: The risk lies with you with the secure thing, and as well with the pin |
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| 14:14.40 | Lopeppeppy | "It's all your own fault, we take no responsibility for anything" |
| 14:14.44 | Kalroth | Yes, first of all, this is viseca, not visa |
| 14:15.04 | cbreak | viseca is the company that gives out visa cards here. |
| 14:15.17 | Kalroth | Probably, it is still not Via |
| 14:15.19 | Kalroth | Visa* |
| 14:15.20 | cbreak | one of them |
| 14:16.47 | Fisker | that pin machine is nice |
| 14:16.56 | Kalroth | so of course the EULA for that company will state "we hold no responsibility" :) |
| 14:17.33 | cbreak | worse |
| 14:17.43 | cbreak | they say that it's my responsibility |
| 14:18.05 | cbreak | but I don't want responsibilities for payments I had nothing to do with |
| 14:18.06 | Kalroth | http://www.visaeurope.ch/de/meine_visa_karte/wo_bekomme.jsp |
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| 14:19.13 | cbreak | I have a card from my bank, but it's handled from viseca. |
| 14:19.22 | cbreak | That's probably the case for most smaller banks. |
| 14:20.34 | Computerpunk | http://www.darklegacycomics.com/270.html |
| 14:20.35 | Computerpunk | I lol'd. |
| 14:22.55 | dardack | sigh i wish all i got was troll digsites, 2k fragments, 70 troll green thingys, no 2h, i know someguy who's done like 500 turnin troll and still hasn't gotten. I hate blizz |
| 14:23.26 | Cide | you hate them because you miss the point entirely with archaeology? |
| 14:24.00 | Computerpunk | http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/executus/kendar/advanced |
| 14:24.00 | Computerpunk | ROFL |
| 14:24.07 | Computerpunk | This service is unavailable to any character under level 100. |
| 14:26.49 | mckenziemc | hmm? |
| 14:27.58 | Fisker | nice |
| 14:28.03 | Fisker | criminals are stupid :( |
| 14:28.57 | Lulia | Bleh, I'm going to try the evil Notepad++ once more |
| 14:29.05 | zenzio | what's so evil about it? |
| 14:29.18 | Lulia | I tried it once and didn't like the feel of it :P |
| 14:29.20 | zenzio | you're not one of the crazies who don't like it because he supports the Tibetans? |
| 14:29.46 | Lulia | So I went with Emerald Editor (Crimson Editor) which I really like, but it's not actively supported. Which makes it rough when I run into problems. |
| 14:30.01 | Lopeppeppy | Support is very goodly. |
| 14:30.27 | Lulia | Definitely. |
| 14:31.12 | Lulia | I decided to try out setting up a project in Crimson Editor and it won't let me add any files, telling me the item is missing or something. And I can't find anything about it on google, most of the posts in the forums for it are years old. |
| 14:31.25 | Lulia | So I might as well try Notepad++ again and see if I can get used to it. |
| 14:32.14 | Lulia | Hmm, Space required: 11.1MB |
| 14:32.22 | Lulia | Space available: 309.5GB |
| 14:32.27 | Lulia | Dunno, think I have room? :P |
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| 14:32.40 | Fisker | lol'd |
| 14:32.52 | zenzio | better turn on compression on that partition just in case |
| 14:32.56 | Lopeppeppy | Try over in the corner there. |
| 14:34.45 | Lulia | Hmm |
| 14:35.06 | Lulia | Does Notepad++ not have support for projects? |
| 14:35.12 | zenzio | not built-in |
| 14:35.17 | Lulia | plug-in? |
| 14:35.21 | zenzio | don't know |
| 14:35.31 | mckenziemc | i need to check out Eclipse and its remote-pair-programming module, but i hear it (the former) is overkill for a language like lua |
| 14:36.00 | Fisker | YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAH |
| 14:36.03 | Fisker | stick it to the man |
| 14:36.15 | mckenziemc | unplugs Fisker. |
| 14:36.43 | Lulia | Is there a good place to check for Notepad++ plug-ins or should I google google google? |
| 14:37.43 | Thunder_Child | Lulia: it has a plugin manager |
| 14:37.54 | Thunder_Child | which will list most if not all of them |
| 14:38.05 | Kraps | http://www.dorkly.com/article/3020/5-types-of-gamer-cliques |
| 14:39.16 | Lulia | Oh |
| 14:39.25 | Lulia | Does it have native Regex support for its search? Hmm |
| 14:39.39 | Lulia | Looks like it |
| 14:39.57 | Kalroth | is that a SC2 picture on the nerd logo?! |
| 14:39.59 | Kalroth | I think it is! |
| 14:41.10 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: did you buy anything else? |
| 14:41.55 | sioraiocht | mikma: looking mighty chilly :D |
| 14:42.19 | Lulia | Oh man, Notepad++ uses actual tabs by default |
| 14:42.22 | Lulia | Need to change that |
| 14:42.23 | Lulia | >.> |
| 14:42.27 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: yes, i bought Obulis and Madballs |
| 14:42.42 | Thunder_Child | and something else i think |
| 14:43.21 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* having no mouse sucks |
| 14:44.54 | Adys | Kraps: first of all, why do you link this |
| 14:44.58 | Adys | second of all, WTF?) |
| 14:45.11 | Kraps | umad? |
| 14:45.19 | Adys | third of all, this guy can't spell "you're" and is writing 8 paragraph articles |
| 14:45.41 | Adys | no, im just surprised your reading material is more garbage than I thought your brain could handle. |
| 14:45.52 | Kraps | ... |
| 14:45.59 | Kraps | its a humor website |
| 14:46.00 | Lopeppeppy | TC, go get a mouses? |
| 14:46.14 | Adys | i get the sarcasm |
| 14:46.24 | Adys | i dont get why it's funny |
| 14:46.35 | Thunder_Child | Lopeppeppy: well it was working last night, and this morning, bubkis, |
| 14:46.43 | Adys | and this guy can't spell, let alone write, so. |
| 14:47.00 | Thunder_Child | s/s,/s./ |
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| 14:50.38 | cbreak | Kalroth: that talk seems interesting at least for me :)... |
| 14:51.34 | Lopeppeppy | TC, batteries? Cheese? |
| 14:52.38 | Thunder_Child | Lopeppeppy: wired, and huh? |
| 14:53.04 | Thunder_Child | ~ping |
| 14:53.04 | purl | ~pong |
| 14:53.25 | Lopeppeppy | Cheese for a mouse. Durh. |
| 14:56.09 | Kalroth | cbreak: which one? :) |
| 14:56.26 | cbreak | the chip&pin one. |
| 14:56.29 | Kalroth | oh |
| 14:56.34 | cbreak | I've not been able to watch it to finish |
| 14:56.46 | cbreak | and of course I don't know if what he says is true |
| 14:56.50 | Kalroth | Yeah, I didn't watch the video yet |
| 14:56.53 | cbreak | but it encourages my paranoia |
| 14:57.15 | Kalroth | It is probably true, but as with everything else, there is most likely a catch or two :) |
| 14:57.58 | Kalroth | I've seen the internals of many banks and trust me, if you're paranoid about cards then you should be paranoid about banks too :) |
| 14:57.59 | cbreak | well, I'll stick with cash where ever possible... :) |
| 15:00.07 | Lopeppeppy | Cash! |
| 15:00.38 | Kalroth | I trust banks/cards more than myself, so .. :P |
| 15:00.54 | cbreak | I doubt their motivation |
| 15:01.03 | Kalroth | I doubt your motivation! |
| 15:01.08 | cbreak | or rather, I am quite sure that my and their interests are opposite |
| 15:01.22 | cbreak | (when it comes to fraud resolution) |
| 15:01.52 | Kalroth | well burden of proof is on the card company here |
| 15:01.55 | zenzio | don't your country have laws those companies must abide by? |
| 15:02.04 | cbreak | no idea |
| 15:02.07 | cbreak | we probably have |
| 15:02.14 | Kalroth | Switzerland is truely neutral, they got no laws! |
| 15:02.24 | cbreak | oh, we have lots of laws... |
| 15:02.46 | Computerpunk | cbreak, you're Swiss? o_O |
| 15:03.01 | cbreak | isn't that obvious from my IP? :) |
| 15:03.19 | Computerpunk | I've never bothered to check it out? |
| 15:03.39 | cbreak | you're not paranoid enough... :) |
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| 15:04.14 | amro | speaking of IPs, why does arrowmaster have a gigantic cloak? |
| 15:05.12 | Kalroth | -la+c |
| 15:05.36 | amro | you'd know |
| 15:05.42 | amro | that would explain the name too |
| 15:06.56 | Fisker | have you lost your mind amro ? |
| 15:07.15 | mckenziemc | oh, did you find it fisker? |
| 15:07.33 | amro | fisker couldn't find pussy in a hooker storm |
| 15:07.44 | Adys | Kalroth: http://8.media.dorkly.cvcdn.com/5/b/ffaae695677939824dbf147b296ec5ee.jpg |
| 15:08.01 | Adys | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_m6917Bf4I ftw |
| 15:08.42 | Kalroth | :( |
| 15:08.58 | Kalroth | paints Adys in pink and sells him to Fisker |
| 15:09.31 | alestane | http://textsfromlastnight.com/Text-Replies-23855.html Sounds like a good call. |
| 15:11.34 | mckenziemc | lovely |
| 15:12.12 | mckenziemc | the guild UI has to query full roster info -every time- i promote someone, so if i promote these initiates to members, my dialup connection gets saturated |
| 15:12.29 | Adys | blinks |
| 15:12.52 | Adys | sends viagra spam to mckenziemc@aol.com |
| 15:13.29 | mckenziemc | i already get enough at my real address |
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| 15:13.33 | Kalroth | your dialup connection |
| 15:13.51 | Kalroth | 1990 is calling, it want its internet connection back! |
| 15:13.59 | Fisker | i demand my sandy bridge |
| 15:14.10 | Adys | Kalroth: doing it wrong |
| 15:14.12 | Kalroth | I'll give you a sandy bridge |
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| 15:14.20 | Adys | Kalroth: AOL is calling, they want their trial CDs back |
| 15:14.24 | Lunessa | token-ring! |
| 15:14.48 | Kalroth | Adys: it puts the lotion in the bucket |
| 15:14.54 | Kalroth | or it gets the Fisker again |
| 15:15.26 | Fisker | Adys that was evil-twin-universe AOL and not real AOL |
| 15:15.41 | Adys | i figured |
| 15:15.44 | Kalroth | Fisker: whens sandy bridge cpus out |
| 15:15.53 | Adys | real AOL doesn't have the money to pay the phonebills |
| 15:15.56 | Computerpunk | What's this AOL you speak of? |
| 15:15.57 | Lunessa | Adys: AOL did not want the CDs back. Trust me on this. |
| 15:16.42 | Adys | lol |
| 15:16.43 | alestane | Adys, http://www.queenofwands.net/d/20031121.html |
| 15:17.17 | Adys | oO |
| 15:17.17 | Lunessa | used to be a QA engineer and then a programmer at AOL back in the day. |
| 15:17.28 | Fisker | now Kalroth |
| 15:17.39 | Fisker | apparently we're too stupid to get the memo though |
| 15:17.50 | Lopeppeppy | gives Lunessa a gingerbread cookie! |
| 15:18.03 | Lunessa | has a cookie and a smile! |
| 15:19.32 | mckenziemc | but do you have any Lunesta? |
| 15:19.51 | Lunessa | drops a large nuke on mckenziemc from orbit. |
| 15:20.13 | mckenziemc | >.> |
| 15:20.20 | mckenziemc | sleeps through it. |
| 15:20.22 | Lopeppeppy | I have... um... what is that stuff... I forget. It's not Lunesta. |
| 15:20.29 | Lopeppeppy | I get no Lunessa, ev-ar! |
| 15:20.43 | Lunessa | I know, I'm such a tease. |
| 15:21.01 | Lopeppeppy | Truth. I cry myself to sleep every night. |
| 15:21.17 | Lunessa | *salacious eyebrow waggle* |
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| 15:24.28 | alestane | Does that mean you're sleeping again, Lopeppeppy? |
| 15:25.39 | Lopeppeppy | Well, only sorta kinda. |
| 15:26.25 | alestane | puts Lopeppeppy to bed with a rubber mallet behind the ear. |
| 15:27.34 | mckenziemc | sigh |
| 15:27.56 | mckenziemc | accidentally logging into the same account twice (versus a 2nd account) gets old quickly |
| 15:29.28 | Kalroth | Fisker: What memo?! I didn't get any memo about a memo. This is all very suspicious. |
| 15:30.41 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm, rubber mallet. |
| 15:30.52 | Lopeppeppy | I've had a monster cold this past week, so I have done a lot of sleeping. |
| 15:31.13 | Computerpunk | Ackis, go update ARL. |
| 15:31.13 | Computerpunk | Now. |
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| 15:32.31 | TC-Work | Shirik: i'm impressed, my computer managed to take 6,294 pictures out of 6,300 before it collapsed into a pile of quivering garbage. |
| 15:32.54 | mckenziemc | o.o |
| 15:33.18 | mckenziemc | Computerpunk: is it bad that he's listed as a 'former author' now? |
| 15:34.10 | Computerpunk | No. |
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| 15:35.36 | mikma | sioraiocht: well, forecast said +2 and heavy snow on thursday |
| 15:35.46 | sioraiocht | Wow |
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| 15:37.33 | Lunessa | that's drinkin', story-tellin' and baby-makin' weather right there. |
| 15:38.45 | sioraiocht | WoW-playin', too |
| 15:39.02 | Lunessa | Well, naturally. |
| 15:40.12 | Maldivia | all at the same time? |
| 15:40.26 | sioraiocht | Maldivia: well, for advanced players |
| 15:40.43 | Lunessa | Seriously. |
| 15:40.54 | Lopeppeppy | Yup. Pot o' chili weather. |
| 15:41.01 | Lunessa | Do not attempt this at home. We're professionals. |
| 15:41.18 | alestane | No surprise that there's a huge pot of chili in our fridge, then. |
| 15:41.57 | Maldivia | lunesaa, that sounds... hmm, well... |
| 15:42.45 | jnwhiteh | mikma: but how can we play wow when we're all on different servers |
| 15:42.47 | jnwhiteh | WAH! |
| 15:43.17 | jnwhiteh | cause.. |
| 15:43.20 | jnwhiteh | you left us |
| 15:43.20 | mikma | well get battlefield bad company 2 |
| 15:43.21 | jnwhiteh | *cry* |
| 15:43.24 | jnwhiteh | umm |
| 15:43.25 | jnwhiteh | no? |
| 15:44.18 | mikma | yes! |
| 15:44.21 | mckenziemc | lol |
| 15:44.28 | Lunessa | jnwhiteh: I didn't leave you. I just didn't want to play on EU. |
| 15:44.43 | Fisker | http://images.anandtech.com/doci/4080/Instant%20Boot.png <-please jnwhiteh |
| 15:44.44 | Fisker | pls |
| 15:45.08 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: ? |
| 15:45.13 | TC-Work | pls |
| 15:45.31 | Fisker | pls |
| 15:45.46 | TC-Work | Fisker: is that ASUS? |
| 15:45.56 | Fisker | asrock |
| 15:46.07 | TC-Work | more like assrock |
| 15:46.11 | Fisker | LOL |
| 15:46.12 | Fisker | pls |
| 15:46.20 | Fisker | oh phew didn't get qq'd |
| 15:48.32 | mikma | wtf you noob fisker |
| 15:49.13 | Fisker | http://images.anandtech.com/doci/4080/Image1.jpg <-look it has ATi graphics |
| 15:49.20 | Fisker | or actually |
| 15:49.24 | Fisker | just supports ATi crossfire |
| 15:49.30 | Fisker | which is FUNNY BECAUSE IT'S AMD NOW |
| 15:49.31 | Fisker | GET IT?! |
| 15:49.40 | Fisker | (pls) |
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| 15:52.11 | wereHamster | is it possible to have textures tiled instead of stretched? |
| 15:52.34 | wereHamster | (in a status bar) |
| 15:55.32 | jnwhiteh | yeah there should be |
| 15:55.33 | jnwhiteh | one sec |
| 15:55.41 | cbreak | wereHamster: I think you can set texture coordinates. But if I remember correctly, all you can do is extend the borders of the texture |
| 15:55.46 | jnwhiteh | http://wowprogramming.com/snippets/Create_a_StatusBar_25 |
| 15:55.49 | cbreak | so the same pixel gets repeated |
| 15:56.14 | wereHamster | cbreak: SetHorizTile() does that: it simply extends the right most pixels instead of tiling thi whole texture |
| 15:56.44 | cbreak | I thought the extending of the border pixel is default behaviour |
| 15:56.51 | cbreak | since that's the one I am familliar with |
| 15:57.20 | cbreak | I've not seen anything about tiling in the api either. |
| 15:57.52 | cbreak | haven't looked at it in ages either though |
| 15:58.30 | cbreak | oh, and I only used raw textures |
| 15:58.40 | wereHamster | raw textures? |
| 15:58.55 | mikma | industrial: http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/happy_new_year_2011.jpg |
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| 15:59.37 | airtonix | pls |
| 15:59.39 | cbreak | the textures you get if you call CreateTexture on some Frame |
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| 16:05.00 | mckenziemc | i'll miss you Zillek DELETE |
| 16:07.37 | airtonix | i'll miss you mckenziemc DELETE |
| 16:08.20 | Fisker | fuck you |
| 16:08.26 | mckenziemc | lolwhat |
| 16:08.37 | wereHamster | it's for a casting and hp bar. I don't want just a lame solid texture but something more.. interesting. Maybe I should look how other casting bars managed that |
| 16:08.49 | mikma | sioraiocht: http://foreca.com/tampere |
| 16:08.50 | TC-Work | i just said "so i can has work" to my boss. And I hate lolspeak. |
| 16:09.14 | airtonix | that will be the last time you say it to me too |
| 16:10.03 | mckenziemc | question is, what did your boss think of it |
| 16:10.14 | Lunessa | He said "DO NOT WANT." |
| 16:10.41 | TC-Work | i'm not ever sure he read it tbh |
| 16:10.44 | airtonix | i told him : irsrscat |
| 16:10.48 | TC-Work | s/ever/even/ |
| 16:11.24 | mikma | jnwhiteh: remember, my offer still stands (2x migrate) |
| 16:11.39 | jnwhiteh | but I finally have a guild who speaks my language |
| 16:11.43 | jnwhiteh | although |
| 16:11.45 | jnwhiteh | do you tank? |
| 16:11.52 | jnwhiteh | tank/healer always on is tempting :P |
| 16:12.03 | mikma | no, i dps, wife heal/tank |
| 16:12.07 | mikma | altho |
| 16:12.10 | airtonix | what language? |
| 16:12.14 | mikma | i have druid to level |
| 16:12.15 | jnwhiteh | airtonix: english |
| 16:12.16 | mikma | airtonix: lol |
| 16:12.17 | airtonix | swahili ? |
| 16:12.33 | TC-Work | anyone here use Kyako? |
| 16:12.41 | industrial | you guys should move to Grim Batol Horde and join my guild Cuddle Vendor :P |
| 16:12.51 | mckenziemc | >.> |
| 16:12.54 | industrial | and yes, we need atnks/healers >_> |
| 16:13.00 | industrial | tanks* |
| 16:13.13 | Fisker | Easily check, just enter the BIOS! |
| 16:13.14 | Fisker | Never want your graphics or DRAM card to not be detected? Just enter the BIOS to find out. This helps you quickly analyze the problem in order to easily fix before attempting an overclock. Remove your doubts and have control over all components. Overclocking has never been this easy. |
| 16:13.16 | zenzelezz | no, join my Veal of Fortune |
| 16:13.21 | zenzelezz | we don't do anything |
| 16:13.31 | Fisker | How did Asus manage to pull off using the bios without any output? |
| 16:14.04 | Lopeppeppy | Ugh. I'm trying to use it, TC, but our IT doesn't quite support it. |
| 16:14.25 | airtonix | Fisker, let me google that for you |
| 16:14.42 | Kraps | http://9.media.dorkly.cvcdn.com/12/16/6860aa1b5eecd0ae32668a2c5f15e2a1.jpg |
| 16:15.15 | mikma | jnwhiteh: our guild decided to be a bunch of buttmonkeys and they have a small group that keeps on doing hc's with theirselves (the 5-6 people) |
| 16:15.28 | jnwhiteh | that's always good/useful |
| 16:15.43 | mikma | sure, but that doesn't include me or wife |
| 16:15.45 | airtonix | Fisker, it might just be your paraphrasing... but it seems to me that computer hardware manufacturers fail at proper english sentence construction |
| 16:16.05 | Fisker | oh yes airtonix |
| 16:17.59 | Fisker | oh sweet airtonix |
| 16:18.06 | Fisker | i got some non-shitty explanation of it |
| 16:18.14 | Fisker | Troubleshooting is a long and tedious job, especially when you donât know what actually fails. Asus GPU.DIMM Post scans through the PCI Express slots for available graphic cards, as well as the presence of DIMM modules installed during POST stage, and displays the result in the BIOS setup screen. This helps the users to find out if anything has gone wrong with the installation as well as |
| 16:18.14 | Fisker | the detection of the device without the need to try and error on their own, allowing users to troubleshoot for the cause of errors with ease. |
| 16:18.45 | mckenziemc | best explanation = sledgehammer |
| 16:19.31 | airtonix | after dealing with the at510nm i wouldn't trust any amount of confidence asus places in their approach to memory |
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| 16:19.51 | Fisker | at510nm? |
| 16:19.56 | airtonix | they couldn't even get the qualified memory list right |
| 16:20.06 | mckenziemc | hey Fisker |
| 16:20.14 | Lunessa | mikma: If you were on US servers, I'd take you in, but ... there's this ocean and several time zones which might not make that practical for you. |
| 16:20.19 | mckenziemc | let's play Sledgehammer Paper Sandy-Bridge |
| 16:20.38 | Fisker | sandy bridge wins over paper and sledgehammer |
| 16:20.44 | Fisker | picks sandy bridge |
| 16:20.48 | Fisker | bye mckenziemc |
| 16:21.50 | mckenziemc | we'll see about that <sound of computer parts shattering> |
| 16:22.26 | Fisker | what makes you think that sledgehammer hammers sandybridge? |
| 16:22.34 | Fisker | sandy bridge outperforms sledgehammer |
| 16:22.41 | airtonix | http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=138_1019&products_id=15357 |
| 16:22.53 | Fisker | and sandybridge isn't a ... paper ... launch |
| 16:22.54 | Fisker | get it? |
| 16:23.05 | Fisker | pls |
| 16:23.37 | Fisker | why would you get a mini-itx motherboard airtonix ? |
| 16:23.52 | olafski | bleh my pc just died.. and I'm too lazy to figure out what's wrong =( |
| 16:23.54 | airtonix | xbmc |
| 16:24.23 | airtonix | Fisker, it sits in the loungeroom connected to the tv via hdmi |
| 16:24.26 | Fisker | lol xbmc |
| 16:25.05 | mckenziemc | â â â â â â A B |
| 16:25.10 | airtonix | imakillyou |
| 16:25.13 | mckenziemc | has unlocked Flamethrower |
| 16:25.32 | zenzelezz | make it so |
| 16:25.40 | airtonix | young skywalker |
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| 16:30.22 | alestane | "Snicker-snack Claw"? |
| 16:31.39 | wereHamster | is 'True' defined in the wow lua environment? |
| 16:31.52 | Fisker | jnwhiteh i have a lot of illegal money |
| 16:32.06 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: k k |
| 16:32.08 | jnwhiteh | wereHamster: no |
| 16:32.15 | airtonix | ~pil |
| 16:32.16 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 16:32.23 | jnwhiteh | I have 14k gold |
| 16:32.25 | airtonix | pls |
| 16:32.38 | wereHamster | so.. how can this work: _G["eCastingBar"..option.."StatusBarTexture"]:SetHorizTile(True) ? |
| 16:32.42 | airtonix | pls |
| 16:33.00 | airtonix | plrhavsrscat? |
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| 16:33.49 | Fisker | why would you have 14k gold jnwhiteh ? |
| 16:34.01 | jnwhiteh | cause I dont have anything to spend it on |
| 16:34.09 | Sapu | true - not capatilized wereHamster |
| 16:34.10 | airtonix | spend it on me |
| 16:34.12 | jnwhiteh | wereHamster: it sets it to 'false' or they define True somewhere |
| 16:34.40 | wereHamster | jnwhiteh: grep did not find any code where they would define True |
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| 16:35.04 | jnwhiteh | luac -p -l *.lua | grep SETGLOBAL | grep True |
| 16:35.04 | jnwhiteh | ? |
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| 16:35.10 | jnwhiteh | it may be defined in another way |
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| 16:35.56 | wereHamster | setglobal("T".."r".."u".."e", true) |
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| 16:37.12 | Shirik | bad wereHamster |
| 16:40.33 | airtonix | hi |
| 16:40.40 | airtonix | i just deleted www.pil.org |
| 16:42.30 | Lopeppeppy | Is that good or bad? |
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| 16:42.43 | airtonix | well |
| 16:42.49 | mckenziemc1 | mv Fisker www.pil.org |
| 16:42.57 | airtonix | it means people now have an excuse for not researching |
| 16:43.05 | airtonix | hai |
| 16:43.15 | airtonix | i went to www.pil.org but i just got trolled |
| 16:43.20 | airtonix | qqMOAR! |
| 16:45.27 | TC-Work | ~qq airtonix |
| 16:45.27 | purl | CRY MOAR airtonix |
| 16:50.12 | Kraps | "One of the big reasons I want to have a son, is to see the look on his face when he learns Darth Vader is Lukeâs Father." |
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| 16:50.37 | airtonix | really krap ? |
| 16:51.15 | Lunessa | "Luke. I am your father. Search your feelings. You know this to be true." |
| 16:51.29 | airtonix | ironic names for a car : |
| 16:51.32 | airtonix | reliant robin |
| 16:51.33 | Lopeppeppy | Because the force says so. |
| 16:52.49 | Lunessa | The Force is very Freudian. |
| 16:54.44 | Lunessa | But sometimes a lightsaber is just a lightsaber. |
| 16:55.28 | Lopeppeppy | Sometimes it's a popsicle |
| 16:55.40 | TC-Work | and sometimes it's freaky |
| 16:55.57 | airtonix | giggidy |
| 16:57.43 | mikma | two holes can't make a couple |
| 16:57.46 | foxlit | Stormwind to Badlands... through Light's Hope Chapel. |
| 16:58.08 | airtonix | poetic |
| 16:58.17 | airtonix | is that your life story ? |
| 16:58.26 | Lopeppeppy | Light's Hope, isn't. |
| 17:01.38 | foxlit | Paladin minor glyphs are a sad, sad thing |
| 17:02.15 | Lopeppeppy | Yup. Have been for a while. |
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| 17:04.35 | Shirik | what did I just do |
| 17:04.43 | Shirik | I didn't change the topic here did I? |
| 17:04.47 | Fisker | what minor glyphs foxlit ? |
| 17:04.50 | Fisker | you did Shirik |
| 17:07.24 | Lunessa | foxlit: OPie's tradeskills ring is not happy when you have Archaeology and Alchmy |
| 17:07.48 | foxlit | Lunessa: I refuse to repeat myself on that subject :) |
| 17:10.07 | airtonix | what? |
| 17:10.11 | Fisker | reroll wotlk? |
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| 17:11.01 | Lunessa | foxlit: Did I miss a note (the release notes page wouldn't come up for me, so sorry) |
| 17:12.49 | foxlit | Nah, it's just a known issue. Annoyingly, trade skills have ranks |
| 17:13.13 | Fisker | old |
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| 17:17.54 | Lunessa | Ah. No worries then. |
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| 17:25.33 | p3lim | Is there some default editbox ingame that allows up to 1k characters? |
| 17:29.13 | wereHamster | ~wowaddonkit |
| 17:29.51 | zenzelezz | "In a fashion worthy of a King or Hitchcock novel, blackbirds began to fall from the sky dead in Arkansas yesterday. Somewhere between 4,000 and 5,000 birds rained down on the small town of Beeb, Arkansas, with no visible trauma. Officials are making wild guesses as to what happened lightning strike, high-altitude hail, or perhaps trauma from the sound of New Year's fireworks killed them." |
| 17:29.55 | zenzelezz | Flashforward? |
| 17:29.55 | wereHamster | purl, tell me where I can find the addon kit which allows me to extract the interface from the mpq files |
| 17:30.05 | zenzelezz | ~framexml |
| 17:30.05 | purl | Download FrameXML code/art from http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?locale=en_US&articleId=21466 ; or view it online at http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source , http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser or http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml |
| 17:30.21 | Lopeppeppy | zenzelezz, Arkansas also had some fish issues recently... I think the state is in a temporal flux. |
| 17:30.32 | airtonix | zenzelezz, lead up to 2012 |
| 17:30.47 | airtonix | get your hot air ballon mobile homes ready |
| 17:33.07 | Lopeppeppy | Or a tea towel. |
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| 17:44.12 | p3lim | wereHamster: I know of the addon kit, got tekkub's mirror bookmarked |
| 17:44.33 | p3lim | using ScriptErrorsFrame tho, it supports alot of characters |
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| 17:58.13 | Valdarix | Does anyone know if the event and window triggered on a guild achievement is the same as a normal acheivement? |
| 17:58.17 | Kraps | yes lady, i understand that its too hard to back up 5 steps to the corner so i can pass and we can go our separate ways with minimum awkwardness |
| 17:58.29 | Kraps | oh wait, i dont |
| 17:58.56 | mikma | jnwhiteh: http://www.geekologie.com/2010/09/how_not_to_start_a_fireplace_f.php - yeah, old |
| 18:13.11 | Gagorian | nevcairiel: Have you ordered the mobo yet? |
| 18:13.28 | Gagorian | Just wondering in what price range you have them there |
| 18:13.30 | nevcairiel | nah, waiting for the cpu to surface |
| 18:13.41 | nevcairiel | and the p8p67 pro is around 140⬠|
| 18:14.24 | Gagorian | Hmm, my store has it for around 180 euros, with less than 10 left in stock |
| 18:15.20 | Gagorian | Was wondering if I should get one already, but seems like 180 is a bit steep then |
| 18:16.33 | Kraps | Thrae: |
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| 18:21.25 | solo|work | Valdarix, pretty sure they are different |
| 18:22.05 | Valdarix | Thanks solo|work I assumed they would be different but I can |
| 18:22.24 | Valdarix | cant fing any reference to guild achieve event anywhere |
| 18:22.27 | solo|work | I don't see a seperate event for the guild achievement though |
| 18:22.28 | solo|work | yeah |
| 18:22.57 | solo|work | I can test tonight, should be pretty close to a couple |
| 18:24.35 | Valdarix | ty |
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| 18:39.30 | Primer | hehe the first boss in SFK make IsFlying() == true when he does that ability that raises you off the ground |
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| 19:20.05 | Warloco | I have a problem :/ I can not resize my chat window (and yes it's unlucked) |
| 19:21.21 | Warloco | I can resize it fine on different chars |
| 19:23.14 | Fisker | you probably made it non-interactive |
| 19:23.57 | Warloco | I dont think so but let me check |
| 19:24.24 | Warloco | humm apparantly I did |
| 19:25.41 | Warloco | thanks |
| 19:34.00 | mikma | then luck them, lolo |
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| 19:38.38 | foxlit | wtb an isFlyingMount return on GetCompanionInfo |
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| 19:40.36 | solo|work | I thought it did? |
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| 19:44.31 | Fisker | cooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooog |
| 19:44.34 | Fisker | cogwheel |
| 19:44.42 | cogwheel | NO |
| 19:45.14 | Dagmar | Good call. |
| 19:45.34 | Fisker | oh ok |
| 19:47.09 | mikma | ~fisk |
| 19:47.10 | purl | FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFIIIIISSSSKKK... |
| 19:49.07 | Kraps | ~killed |
| 19:49.07 | purl | I once killed a Fisker! |
| 19:53.49 | Lopeppeppy | where? |
| 19:55.00 | Fisker | pretty mean though |
| 19:57.24 | Kraps | Shirik: you there? |
| 20:02.13 | Lopeppeppy | misses Shirik a lot. |
| 20:02.18 | Fisker | doesn't |
| 20:02.34 | Lopeppeppy | I need to re-sight my guns? |
| 20:03.07 | Fisker | do you? |
| 20:03.29 | Lopeppeppy | Always. |
| 20:04.03 | Fisker | then do it? |
| 20:04.17 | Lopeppeppy | Stand still, you crazy devil, and I'll use you as a target. |
| 20:04.40 | Fisker | why would you do that? :( |
| 20:04.57 | Lopeppeppy | Do you always answer a question with a question? |
| 20:05.22 | Kraps | he must be jewish |
| 20:05.32 | Kraps | OH I JUST BURNED MYSELF |
| 20:05.45 | Kraps | thats how good i am |
| 20:05.46 | Fisker | it wasn't a question Lopeppeppy |
| 20:05.49 | Shirik | Why am I missed? |
| 20:05.57 | Kraps | hey Shirik ! |
| 20:06.00 | Fisker | that's what i thought Shirik |
| 20:06.21 | Lopeppeppy | It had the punctuation mark which denotes a question in standard text, Fisker. |
| 20:06.22 | Shirik | hi Kraps |
| 20:06.35 | Fisker | you mean , or . Lopeppeppy ? |
| 20:06.45 | Kraps | Shirik: i forgot how to do wiki refs :( |
| 20:06.47 | Lopeppeppy | 'cause I was gone for a week plus, Shirik. |
| 20:06.51 | Shirik | aw < |
| 20:06.52 | Shirik | <3 |
| 20:07.00 | Shirik | Kraps: <ref>...</ref>? |
| 20:07.11 | Fisker | maybe he forgot the "..." |
| 20:07.39 | airtonix | puts his yalmuka on |
| 20:08.18 | Kraps | airtonix: |
| 20:08.23 | airtonix | Krap |
| 20:08.43 | Fisker | i wanted to say Shirik |
| 20:08.51 | Fisker | how much i like you |
| 20:09.03 | airtonix | do i have to report you ? |
| 20:09.08 | Fisker | no airtonix |
| 20:09.16 | airtonix | i think i do |
| 20:09.46 | airtonix | i'm reaching for the phone |
| 20:10.10 | Kraps | who you gonna call? |
| 20:10.12 | airtonix | i'm trying to dial the number |
| 20:10.23 | airtonix | 555-HOTSEX |
| 20:10.32 | airtonix | ohsii |
| 20:11.15 | airtonix | Fisker, do you regret eating the meals you ate today ? |
| 20:11.19 | Fisker | that's not a number airtonix |
| 20:11.28 | Fisker | i do not airtonix |
| 20:11.35 | airtonix | why not |
| 20:11.44 | Fisker | because it was awesome? |
| 20:11.53 | Kraps | oh lol {{reflist}} |
| 20:12.11 | airtonix | realfist? |
| 20:12.20 | Fisker | lol realdoll |
| 20:12.29 | airtonix | hoho |
| 20:12.46 | airtonix | ok |
| 20:12.52 | airtonix | it's 7am |
| 20:13.10 | airtonix | evil birds are chirping... |
| 20:13.24 | mikma | angry birds |
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| 20:18.22 | Lunessa | needs a nap. |
| 20:21.43 | alestane | coldcocks Lunessa. |
| 20:22.06 | Lunessa | passes out and sleeps the sleep of the bludgeoned. |
| 20:22.30 | alestane | Ask and ye shall receive. |
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| 20:23.45 | Lopeppeppy | watches this with interest... |
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| 20:30.29 | Fisker | hey Lopeppeppy |
| 20:30.35 | Lopeppeppy | Oh hi. |
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| 20:33.01 | cogwheel | hai |
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| 20:33.37 | Lopeppeppy | HAI! *pounce* |
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| 20:35.26 | Kraps | is currently listening to Puddle Of Mudd - She Hates Me |
| 20:36.53 | Fisker | cogwheel |
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| 20:48.08 | Kraps | âDid you guys know that World War II was based off the movie Saving Private Ryan?â |
| 20:48.28 | Lopeppeppy | Really? Like OMG! I totally watched that movie, how cool is that?! |
| 20:48.30 | mckenziemc | there's a guide on mmo-champion about how to create an addon, and i was considering adding a reply about coming to this channel if anyone had questions. Any objections? it might bring a lot of newbs in so i wanted to check with you guys first :p |
| 20:49.06 | Lopeppeppy | You volunteering to answer all their questions, mckenziemc? |
| 20:49.22 | mckenziemc | if i'm online when they ask ;) |
| 20:50.15 | Lopeppeppy | Then give them your online handle instead! |
| 20:51.34 | Fisker | Lopeppeppy |
| 20:51.39 | Kraps | Lopeppeppy: he wants to share the pain |
| 20:52.19 | Lopeppeppy | Generosity never got anyone anything except an empty lunch tray. |
| 20:52.58 | bleeter | or the clap |
| 20:53.29 | Lopeppeppy | Hmm. That would be extreme generosity. |
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| 20:54.55 | bleeter | Monty Python had a few things to say about such generosity http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9YJ9cls_eE |
| 20:55.11 | bleeter | that's a great little eric idle recording btw ;) |
| 20:56.32 | bleeter | dances with Lopeppeppy |
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| 21:14.24 | Lunessa | cogwheel: You are the shizzle. |
| 21:14.35 | cogwheel | ? |
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| 21:15.05 | Dewin | I know Curse adds X-Curse-* headers to an addon's TOC if using Curse Updater. Is there something I can add that will tell Curse Updater to ignore my particular copy of an addon? |
| 21:15.10 | Lunessa | FB posting for guild recruitment. :) |
| 21:15.20 | cogwheel | :) |
| 21:15.36 | Lunessa | It has Unkle's Octopus Head while riding a giant chicken picture. |
| 21:15.44 | Lopeppeppy | He is made of awesome. |
| 21:16.06 | Shirik | what the hell is the difference between a "band" and a "musical project"? |
| 21:16.56 | bleeter | i'd suggest one's entertainment focused, the other art focused |
| 21:17.05 | bleeter | as a vauge concept... maybe |
| 21:17.14 | sioraiocht | also probably more experimental |
| 21:17.19 | bleeter | true |
| 21:17.21 | Lunessa | Shirik: Musical project often implies the people involved are members of other bands and/or under contract. |
| 21:17.33 | bleeter | Lunessa++ |
| 21:18.08 | mckenziemc | Dewin: those headers get added when the file is packaged. If you downloaded manually from curseforge/wowace they'd still be there |
| 21:18.30 | Shirik | ok that makes sense |
| 21:19.10 | Lopeppeppy | Like "We Are the World" and "Band Aid" and stuff. Musical projects. |
| 21:19.25 | Dewin | mckenziemc: Ahh, alright. My other question still remains though... is there a header I can add to tell curse updater to ignore this particular addon? I know I can ignore it in Curse client but I'm distributing a private modification to officers in our guild and I don't want an addon update to accidentally clobber my modifications. |
| 21:19.46 | mckenziemc | oh thanks bleeter, you reminded me i need to look for the spam skit from MP |
| 21:19.57 | Dewin | Unless the author of EPGP Lootmaster happens to be in this channel and wants to talk. :) |
| 21:20.05 | bleeter | some projects are bands. alan parsons project |
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| 21:20.37 | mckenziemc | if i'm understanding you right, each officer will have to tell their client to ignore |
| 21:20.55 | bleeter | mckenziemc: :) |
| 21:21.18 | Dewin | Yeah, I was hoping there was a way to do it from an addon author's perspective, so to speak, but I guess I'll take that route :) |
| 21:22.31 | mckenziemc | Dewin: actually |
| 21:22.53 | mckenziemc | put an empty folder named .svn in your version |
| 21:23.19 | mckenziemc | teh client will think it's a development copy and ignore it by default |
| 21:23.43 | olafski | dewin: not sure how, but the addons I work on show up in curse client as "working copy" and don't update |
| 21:23.48 | olafski | oh.. what mckenziemc said :P |
| 21:24.28 | Dewin | Sneaky. |
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| 21:24.52 | Dewin | Thanks :) |
| 21:25.00 | bleeter | dunno what it is about cogwheel's guild page, but it locks my FF hard :( |
| 21:25.15 | cogwheel | blame curse |
| 21:25.23 | cogwheel | :P |
| 21:25.33 | bleeter | sif :P |
| 21:25.52 | mckenziemc | ~svnblame |
| 21:26.18 | mckenziemc | purl, svnblame is <reply> runs an svn blame against $who |
| 21:26.18 | purl | mckenziemc: okay |
| 21:26.24 | mckenziemc | ~svnblame |
| 21:26.24 | purl | runs an svn blame against mckenziemc |
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| 21:38.47 | Fisker | cogwheel |
| 21:38.55 | Fisker | al'akir is a jersk |
| 21:39.07 | crazedfred | !api time |
| 21:39.08 | lua_bot | time: Returns the numeric time value for a described date/time (or the current time) (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/time) |
| 21:40.55 | Zyn- | Al'akir is a jerk that we kill with ease, Fisker |
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| 21:42.17 | Fisker | we're going from getting almost to phase 3 to dying a lot in phase 1 :P |
| 21:42.25 | Fisker | damn chain lightning :( |
| 21:45.34 | Zyn- | shit spreading |
| 21:46.43 | Fisker | i disagree |
| 21:47.11 | Fisker | can barely move 2 feet without chaining shit :< |
| 21:47.59 | Zyn- | be in groups of 3 |
| 21:48.35 | Fisker | in 25-man? |
| 21:49.35 | Zyn- | that's what we do, 3 people at each 45 degrees |
| 21:51.59 | Fisker | oh |
| 21:52.02 | Fisker | thought you meant 3 groups |
| 21:52.14 | nevcairiel | nefarian down \o/ al'akir tomorrow, bam |
| 21:53.04 | Zyn- | hah |
| 21:53.09 | Zyn- | Al'akir is much easier |
| 21:53.32 | nevcairiel | i know, for some reason we tried nefarian in 10man already, so it seemed kinda logical to do him first |
| 21:53.43 | nevcairiel | .. in 25 |
| 21:54.41 | nevcairiel | if we get him down in one day, as in, tomorrow, we can focus on heroics starting with the fresh id :) |
| 21:56.37 | Zyn- | did heroic Halfus on 25 yesterday |
| 21:57.03 | Fisker | you can still switch between heroic/non-heroic right? Just not 10/25? |
| 21:57.09 | Zyn- | yes |
| 21:57.29 | Zyn- | priests speccing Atonement and spamming Smite on Halfus is just ridiculously good :/ |
| 22:00.26 | Zyn- | Fisker , this is how we spread : http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3688889/alakir.png , with 3 people in each group, standing in a line (melee in front of course) |
| 22:00.48 | Zyn- | those ... thingies around the boss-area are good references for positions |
| 22:03.50 | TC-Work | Anyone know of a way or program that would copy over your pop folder structure to imap? |
| 22:05.05 | Kraps | hah! http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1764411066 |
| 22:05.26 | Fisker | yeah Zyn- |
| 22:05.28 | Fisker | we know that |
| 22:05.43 | Fisker | still just a shit load of luck involved it appears |
| 22:05.59 | Zyn- | only if people suck on avoiding the tornados ;< |
| 22:06.15 | Fisker | you can't avoid tornados when doing so chains a chainlightning to another group |
| 22:09.13 | Shirik | Kraps: Who didn't see that one coming :P |
| 22:09.22 | Shirik | Like seriously that's probably one of the stupidest mistakes I've seen Blizzard make |
| 22:11.05 | Fisker | lol'd Shirik |
| 22:11.16 | Fisker | i actually thought it was on purpose |
| 22:11.29 | Fisker | because people were complaining about how fucked up it was to win it |
| 22:11.33 | Fisker | and it was |
| 22:11.39 | Fisker | you basically can never ever win a tol barad |
| 22:13.25 | foxlit | but can you never ever win a fisk? |
| 22:13.52 | Fisker | nope |
| 22:14.01 | Fisker | i also farted a Shirik |
| 22:14.17 | Kraps | you can kill him however |
| 22:14.29 | Kraps | its so easy, a bot can do it |
| 22:14.34 | Kraps | ~killed |
| 22:14.34 | purl | I once killed a Fisker! |
| 22:17.10 | Fisker | goodbye Kraps |
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| 22:20.06 | Amarande | ok, why is there no "time left" timer when I go to the Northrend map and click on WG? all I can tell, is that there *is* currently a battle, since my 71 can't go in to do the fishing daily. |
| 22:20.20 | Amarande | but I can't seem to figure out how much longer till battle is over. |
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| 22:23.34 | jnwhiteh | cogwheel: I'll try to get the server up tomorrow |
| 22:23.38 | foxlit | hm. |
| 22:23.46 | foxlit | There's no way I can force an animation to jump to a specific time? |
| 22:23.50 | jnwhiteh | enjoying the SMP tour |
| 22:23.59 | Adys | foxlit: Make a jump animation |
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| 22:24.01 | cogwheel | ) |
| 22:24.06 | cogwheel | :)* |
| 22:24.09 | alestane | !api SetProgress |
| 22:24.10 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'SetProgress'. |
| 22:24.14 | alestane | Maybe not. |
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| 22:25.18 | foxlit | also, hate casting API in Cataclysm. CastSpellByID and CastSpellByName behave differently, and CastSpellByName behaves differently depending on whether you have the spell you're trying to cast is on your action bars. |
| 22:26.21 | Amarande | foxlit: does it get more complicated too, e.g., whether it's on a Blizzard action bar or whether you're using Bartender? |
| 22:26.55 | alestane | The distinction is likely to be, whether it's in an action slot or not. |
| 22:27.17 | foxlit | Yes. And that sucks. |
| 22:27.37 | alestane | What are you trying to work around? |
| 22:27.41 | foxlit | Trap Launcher. |
| 22:27.50 | foxlit | But I suspect Sunfire is the same problem, though it's not my problem. |
| 22:28.15 | foxlit | It's basically the same "The role of spell X is now filled by spell Y" that's only communicated to CastSpellByName if spell X is on your action bars. |
| 22:28.58 | jnwhiteh | but even if thats the case, the secure templates by name don't work =/ |
| 22:29.22 | foxlit | *don't work if you don't have the ability on your action bars. |
| 22:29.26 | alestane | Probably because in that case it has to remap the action slot to a different ability. |
| 22:29.41 | jnwhiteh | foxlit: no. does not work. |
| 22:29.47 | jnwhiteh | I have countless cases of this |
| 22:30.05 | jnwhiteh | reported =/ |
| 22:30.10 | foxlit | jnwhiteh: SAB:SetAttributes("type", "spell", "spell", "Moonfire") ? |
| 22:30.15 | jnwhiteh | moonfire works |
| 22:30.24 | jnwhiteh | Priest words don't |
| 22:30.31 | jnwhiteh | regardless of whether or not they are on an action bar |
| 22:30.45 | jnwhiteh | the chakra nonsense |
| 22:30.46 | foxlit | All of them? |
| 22:30.58 | jnwhiteh | they don't 'morph' correctly |
| 22:31.28 | Amarande | ok, let's see now ... can I get into WG now pretty please? take 3! |
| 22:32.00 | jnwhiteh | foxlit: and actually, I've had the same issue with Moonfire |
| 22:32.01 | Amarande | yay, finally. one hour and 51 minutes to get my terrorfish. |
| 22:32.10 | jnwhiteh | again, when its clearly on my action bar |
| 22:33.27 | foxlit | I can't be bothered to spec moonkin. |
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| 22:33.35 | foxlit | What about priests, though? |
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| 22:33.43 | jnwhiteh | Holy words, exact same issue |
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| 22:34.02 | foxlit | All of them, all the time? |
| 22:34.19 | jnwhiteh | I don't know priests well enough to understand the proble. |
| 22:34.43 | jnwhiteh | i'm testing moonfire now. |
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| 22:35.54 | jnwhiteh | shift-f bound to cast moonfire on mouseover |
| 22:35.57 | jnwhiteh | works perfectly |
| 22:36.09 | jnwhiteh | in boomkin and non-boomkin form, moonfire is on the 3rd action slot |
| 22:36.19 | jnwhiteh | solar eclipse happens |
| 22:36.30 | jnwhiteh | i no longer can use this binding until I leave the state |
| 22:36.39 | Nobgul | Because the spell changed |
| 22:36.50 | Nobgul | You need to set keybind for the sunfiore |
| 22:36.54 | Nobgul | sunfire |
| 22:36.59 | jnwhiteh | .. |
| 22:37.06 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 22:37.06 | jnwhiteh | sorry |
| 22:37.12 | jnwhiteh | that's not the point of this conversation |
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| 22:37.34 | Nobgul | Back to farming arch then |
| 22:37.38 | Nobgul | ignore me =P |
| 22:37.51 | jnwhiteh | will do =) |
| 22:38.29 | jnwhiteh | foxlit: that's what I have to report, part of your findings, or the plumbing used, isn't correct |
| 22:38.34 | jnwhiteh | tho I wish it was =/ |
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| 22:39.56 | foxlit | Moonfire/Sunfire is actually worse, since the actual name changes; traps are just ranks |
| 22:40.12 | jnwhiteh | Holy Words change as well |
| 22:40.20 | jnwhiteh | Holy Word: Chastise, Holy Word: Something Else |
| 22:40.28 | jnwhiteh | or whatever they're called =/ |
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| 22:43.09 | olafski | my gf uses a macro to get that to work with clique jnwhiteh +) |
| 22:43.13 | crazedfred | jnwhiteh: what are you trying to accomplish? |
| 22:43.27 | olafski | or maybe I too am misunderstanding the problim |
| 22:43.31 | jnwhiteh | crazedfred: be able to set a binding based on spell name and actually have it fucking work |
| 22:43.37 | crazedfred | jnwhiteh: lol |
| 22:43.42 | jnwhiteh | olafski: nope, that's the correct problem and the only solution right now. |
| 22:43.43 | crazedfred | oh Cata |
| 22:44.53 | olafski | kay |
| 22:45.12 | Arrowmaster` | what does the macro do? attempt all the names? |
| 22:45.16 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 22:45.18 | olafski | rather annoying problem.. they should've fixed this by now |
| 22:45.23 | jnwhiteh | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:45.32 | jnwhiteh | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:45.38 | jnwhiteh | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:45.45 | olafski | yep that's the one |
| 22:45.52 | jnwhiteh | if you don't use focus |
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| 22:46.16 | jnwhiteh | focus can I think make it a bit easier.. but not really |
| 22:46.50 | foxlit | What they should really do is move the Serenity/Stuff portion into the spell rank |
| 22:47.12 | foxlit | Making /cast Holy Word cast whatever is applicable at the time, reducing it to the hunter traps problem. |
| 22:47.21 | jnwhiteh | yep |
| 22:47.34 | jnwhiteh | or _something_ |
| 22:47.38 | jnwhiteh | the problem exists in simple macros |
| 22:47.39 | crazedfred | jnwhiteh: dumb question: can't you just use @mouseover or whatever? |
| 22:47.41 | jnwhiteh | you cannot /cast Moonfire |
| 22:47.44 | jnwhiteh | crazedfred: no |
| 22:47.46 | crazedfred | ic |
| 22:47.48 | jnwhiteh | make a macro with /cast Moonfire |
| 22:47.49 | jnwhiteh | it will not work |
| 22:47.51 | jnwhiteh | full stop =) |
| 22:47.56 | crazedfred | lol.... |
| 22:48.10 | jnwhiteh | it ONLY works on the action button |
| 22:48.17 | foxlit | I'm pretty sure I tested stuff with /cast [mod] Moonfire; Starfire :P |
| 22:48.29 | foxlit | And my tagging macro is /cast Moonfire. |
| 22:48.37 | jnwhiteh | anything that uses the name Starfire is unusable for me |
| 22:48.41 | foxlit | So it doesn't work with some strings attached :) |
| 22:48.49 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 22:50.59 | jnwhiteh | anyone have the paste.pocoo.org link I linked yesterday? |
| 22:51.03 | jnwhiteh | my logs aren't up =/ |
| 22:51.41 | clever | 06 09:33:32<@jnwhiteh> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/271703/ for example |
| 22:51.54 | jnwhiteh | that's from a long time ago :P |
| 22:51.58 | clever | dont see any others from you |
| 22:52.00 | crazedfred | Wait, so people can glitch under the world and farm now? >< |
| 22:52.01 | crazedfred | WTF |
| 22:52.18 | jnwhiteh | clever: I was talking about netbooks |
| 22:52.20 | clever | crazedfred: i found a scarlet crusader in a wall when i was leveling a new undead |
| 22:52.22 | jnwhiteh | maybe I used pastey, hrm. |
| 22:52.38 | crazedfred | clever: heh |
| 22:52.59 | clever | only way i could see him was a nameplate on the wall |
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| 22:57.26 | olafski | don't see anything in my logs jnwhiteh |
| 22:57.38 | olafski | on any pasting url |
| 22:57.56 | olafski | (assuming you started the url with http ;)) |
| 22:58.11 | clever | i saw him paste 3 urls, but no pastebins |
| 22:58.14 | clever | 02 02:18:26<@jnwhiteh> https://github.com/jnwhiteh/go-luapatterns |
| 22:58.14 | clever | 02 02:29:54<@jnwhiteh> http://opening-times.co.uk/woodstock-road-chemist-oxford |
| 22:58.17 | clever | 02 14:55:18<@jnwhiteh> Adys: http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetVideoOptions |
| 22:59.16 | jnwhiteh | weird |
| 22:59.59 | Adys | looks around |
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| 23:00.29 | olafski | yeah I got those too.. and something about how to create a statusbar |
| 23:00.46 | Adys | jnwhiteh: made it just for you! http://imgur.com/EFwEU |
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| 23:03.06 | mckenziemc | purl, wtf is What the Fisker |
| 23:03.16 | mckenziemc | wtf foo |
| 23:03.24 | Adys | ~wtf mckenziemc |
| 23:03.32 | Adys | ~wtf you |
| 23:03.35 | jnwhiteh | ~literal wtf |
| 23:03.35 | purl | "wtf" is "what that's fine?" |
| 23:03.49 | mckenziemc | i know i'm just very tired >.> |
| 23:03.50 | Adys | "wtf" is a builtin command |
| 23:04.03 | mckenziemc | yeah i saw |
| 23:04.05 | Adys | ~wtf purl |
| 23:04.21 | Adys | ~help wtf |
| 23:04.32 | Adys | ah, right |
| 23:04.34 | Adys | ~wtf wtf |
| 23:05.57 | mckenziemc | ~wtf omgwtfbbq |
| 23:06.09 | mckenziemc | : / |
| 23:06.14 | clever | ~wtf lua |
| 23:06.30 | cogwheel | lawl @ Zen'Kiki the Druid |
| 23:06.52 | cogwheel | good training for the "shitty party member" mechanic >< |
| 23:08.27 | jnwhiteh | night all. |
| 23:08.33 | cogwheel | nn |
| 23:10.14 | Amarande | LOL, Zen'Kiki was fun |
| 23:10.52 | Kraps | purl, wtf is </reply>What the Fisker |
| 23:11.06 | Shirik | wtf is a built-in |
| 23:11.07 | Kraps | ah i see |
| 23:11.08 | Shirik | you can't change it |
| 23:11.18 | Shirik | ~wtf man |
| 23:11.37 | mckenziemc | ~wtf shirik |
| 23:12.04 | Kraps | ~wtf wtf |
| 23:12.10 | Amarande | ok, am I just thinking it or do alchemists (who I haven't really played one of in a while) really get the short end of the business deal in Cata? |
| 23:12.36 | Adys | Yeah, must suck to be able to only make 55k profit off the sandstone drake |
| 23:12.55 | Amarande | Truegold CDs are down to a mere 100g on the trade channel market, flask prices are already in free fall |
| 23:13.06 | Amarande | Adys: assuming you're lucky enough to obtain the recipe, anyway |
| 23:13.13 | Amarande | if you're not, it seems like it's already the least profitable profession |
| 23:13.41 | Adys | it just means there are more alchemists on your server. |
| 23:13.44 | Amarande | vs. ... Gatherers make mad bank selling mats. LW and BS get to charge through the roof because of the whole BoP Chaos Orb thing, and so do Engineers to a degree |
| 23:13.57 | Dagmar | Dude, for god's sake |
| 23:14.02 | Dagmar | Get some medication |
| 23:14.09 | Dagmar | Everything is the freaking end of the world with you |
| 23:14.10 | Amarande | Enchanters and JCs are needed every time you upgrade an item, so they make steady money, Scribes have their lotto tickets. |
| 23:14.16 | mckenziemc | lol |
| 23:14.16 | Adys | gatherers have a money-making profession by definition |
| 23:14.21 | Adys | and Dagmar's got a point really |
| 23:14.22 | Shirik | ~wiki User:Iloveyou1998 |
| 23:14.22 | Dagmar | Gatherers do not make "mad bank" because they have to compete with each other |
| 23:14.38 | Amarande | Dagmar: it's rather making me glad I chose inscription rather than alchemy, though. :S |
| 23:14.41 | Kraps | my god Shirik |
| 23:14.47 | Dagmar | Crafters, in particular leatherworkers I have first-hand experience with, also do not charge through the roof because there's TOO MANY THINGS TO MAKE TO LEVEL UP |
| 23:14.52 | Amarande | hell, scribes don't even need to sell stuff to make money, just keep making fortune cards as you gather and quest |
| 23:14.59 | Dagmar | There's been a surplus of crafted goods this whole run-up |
| 23:15.18 | Dagmar | Amarande: Fortune cards are worth what now? Oh, that's right... Piffle. |
| 23:15.27 | Amarande | Yeah, the lower level stuff is coming down, but the 525 epics are still through the roof |
| 23:15.31 | Amarande | same with BS |
| 23:15.41 | Dagmar | You are confused. |
| 23:15.42 | Kraps | Shirik: oh and they have that thing where the text just trundles along off the page |
| 23:15.50 | Dagmar | If you see them in the auction house, it's because they did NOT sell at that price |
| 23:16.23 | Amarande | Dagmar: I'm more thinking of the potential money to be made oneself by using the herbs one picks up to craft one's own fortune cards and using them. |
| 23:16.39 | Amarande | Money, and a chance at 5k every couple gathers or so is pretty good. :) |
| 23:16.43 | Dagmar | Using them for what? Giggles? |
| 23:16.57 | Dagmar | Okay, so now we know you can't do math at all. |
| 23:17.05 | Gnarfoz | that's news? |
| 23:17.42 | Kraps | "chance at 5k every couple gathers" whaaaaaaaaat |
| 23:17.52 | Amarande | Kraps: it only takes one ink to make a card. |
| 23:17.59 | Dagmar | Amarande: I hate to be the one to break this to you, but the odds of you winning five grand with a scratch off card from the gas station are higher than you getting that 5,000 gold |
| 23:18.00 | Adys | super-low chance at 5k every couple gathers. |
| 23:18.17 | Adys | just like you have a super-low chance to loot an epic every mob you loo |
| 23:18.20 | Adys | t |
| 23:18.23 | Adys | and get 15k |
| 23:18.44 | Gnarfoz | there's probably easier ways to make money than wasting your self-gathered herbs on making those shitty cards |
| 23:18.45 | Kraps | http://kotaku.com/5723744/raise-a-glass-to-the-father-of-high-fantasy |
| 23:19.22 | Amarande | and yes, some people are pretty insane at what they sell the fortune cards for. :| |
| 23:19.50 | Dagmar | Gnarfoz: Like selling the herbs to a vendor |
| 23:20.02 | Gnarfoz | Dagmar: that, among others |
| 23:21.05 | Amarande | ok, actually maybe they're not so insane at what they sell the cards for at this moment in time, even though you have to be pretty insane to buy them at this rate. |
| 23:21.23 | mckenziemc | such is gambling |
| 23:22.03 | Amarande | it's still 25-35g worth of herbs, even though it only takes a single milling to make enough pigment for a card |
| 23:22.41 | Amarande | scribes, though, probably fall in the 'steady need' category like JCs and enchanters |
| 23:23.07 | Gnarfoz | (I'm repeatedly amazed how well "liking to hear one's voice" apparently works even on IRC, where there's no voice involved) |
| 23:23.54 | Gnarfoz | and, no, scribes don't fall into "steady need" anymore |
| 23:24.43 | Amarande | Every character needs glyphs, and every time you decide to respec you probably need new ones you didn't know before again. |
| 23:24.49 | Gnarfoz | bs |
| 23:24.53 | Gnarfoz | you buy all of them once and are done |
| 23:25.01 | Amarande | though the rate of character creation may also be at a low lately, too |
| 23:25.33 | Amarande | it seems most people have already gotten their goblins and worgens to 85, and with the Cata endgame being much more demanding in time investment even at the 5-man level, I'm not sure how popular altitis is right now. |
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| 23:25.48 | Adys | glyphs sell high and not often |
| 23:25.58 | Amarande | Adys: truth |
| 23:25.59 | Gnarfoz | *most* people created their worgens and goblins by race-changing them |
| 23:26.07 | Adys | they're not a bad source of income tbh |
| 23:26.10 | Adys | but then again |
| 23:26.16 | Gnarfoz | I made 90% of my personal wealth selling glyphis, I'm quite aware of how many glyphs are being bought these days |
| 23:26.20 | Gnarfoz | -i |
| 23:26.24 | Amarande | I still tend to get a decent amount of gold per glyph, but I often need at least a couple of 48 hour auctions to get them to sell |
| 23:26.32 | Adys | if you were a scribe during wlk and weren't completely useless, you have 150-200k gold already |
| 23:26.35 | Adys | you dont need more |
| 23:26.56 | Gnarfoz | I'm aware, only selling off whatever I had left |
| 23:28.04 | Amarande | Gnarfoz: I'm a little unsure about that thought about worgen and goblins |
| 23:28.09 | Gnarfoz | why? |
| 23:28.16 | Gnarfoz | do you lack eyes? |
| 23:28.19 | Amarande | it costs real money to do a race change, would that many people do so rather than rolling an alt, with how fast you level now? |
| 23:28.34 | Amarande | in fact, with how rapidly you level now, server transferring practically isn't worth it either |
| 23:28.37 | Gnarfoz | yes, they would, since they just want to either have "the cool new thing" or the +1% crit racial |
| 23:28.45 | Gnarfoz | and keep playing their old chars |
| 23:28.51 | Adys | race change isnt expensive |
| 23:29.02 | Adys | you know you're paying 12 bucks a month for this game right |
| 23:29.03 | Amarande | then again, everyone fell for the sparkle pony, too :P |
| 23:29.05 | Gnarfoz | it's 8â¬, that's not even a meal |
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| 23:29.17 | Adys | jesus Gnarfoz where do you eat :P |
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| 23:29.25 | Kraps | Amarande: really? did you even see what was going on the first week, how many worgen there were? |
| 23:29.40 | Amarande | I remember when the sparkle pony was new, actually considering getting one. "Gee, this might be a neat and unique thing." Then I saw half of Orgrimmar on them. |
| 23:30.07 | Gnarfoz | Adys: .de's town with the highest amount of millionaires, apparently (not that I feel like I'm going to be one, ever ;D) |
| 23:30.37 | Amarande | Kraps: It was a few days after launch before I even really saw a city for more than a few minutes |
| 23:30.54 | Adys | because there are many millionaires in your town means you cant find any cheap food? :P |
| 23:31.07 | Amarande | I didn't do marathon sessions, and I spent pretty much the whole launch week in Vashj'ir |
| 23:31.12 | Gnarfoz | Adys: too tired to spin this joke any further |
| 23:31.13 | Adys | here a meal that's 8 euros likely has traces of lobster somewhere |
| 23:31.54 | Amarande | Most of the people I personally know in WoW were planning to *create* a worgen or goblin, but I didn't know any who were planning to do a paid race change to get one off the bat |
| 23:32.12 | Gnarfoz | we call this "skewed perception" or "bias" |
| 23:32.15 | Amarande | Paid class change otoh, yeah, that I saw a lot of as soon as 4.0.3a hit. |
| 23:32.30 | Amarande | 80 Blood elf warriors all over Org and UC that patch day. |
| 23:32.36 | Adys | that's not skewed perception |
| 23:32.40 | Adys | thats screwed perception |
| 23:32.45 | Adys | theres no paid class change. |
| 23:33.06 | Amarande | oh, right. but still, the big rush I saw was people changing their warriors to blood elves |
| 23:33.48 | Amarande | since I spent most of the first few days in Vashj'ir and didn't really look around Orgrimmar too much before going there, I can't tell how many people swapped to goblin. |
| 23:33.54 | Adys | right well you see this accounts into the whole race change thing. |
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| 23:41.35 | Amarande | Adys: however, I'm also guessing that almost all players now are focusing more or less exclusively on a single character. |
| 23:41.53 | Amarande | Actually, that is perhaps one of the more genuine things to dislike about Cata heroics vs. LK ones. |
| 23:42.00 | Adys | i know a fair few people with 5+ lvl 85s |
| 23:42.14 | Gnarfoz | as you pointed out earlier, leveling takes squat time now |
| 23:42.25 | Amarande | yeah, leveling takes squat, but endgame content, even 5-man, is a huge time demand |
| 23:42.34 | Amarande | in LK, you could maintain a few alts at 80, since heroics were so short. |
| 23:43.14 | Amarande | in Cata, it takes an hour or two to do a single heroic, and that's assuming things go reasonably well and that you're doing it in a guild group (so discounting the queue time plus time lost because classists votekick you at the first opportunity) |
| 23:43.27 | Gnarfoz | I've been in 346 or better in every slot in both prot and ret since before christmas, had I not spent almost 2 weeks back home over christmas and new year's, I could have another char at that level now |
| 23:43.34 | Adys | .. an hour.. or.. two? |
| 23:43.45 | Adys | blinks. |
| 23:43.52 | Amarande | Adys: until you're in raid gear, you really can't zerg heroics |
| 23:44.05 | Adys | no; if you don't suck, a hc is 30 minutes |
| 23:44.11 | Adys | completely not zerged |
| 23:44.44 | Amarande | Adys: probably depends on the heroic, some are relatively easy like VP while others (Grim Batol, Deadmines, and SFK are usually regarded as the worst) are OMG hard |
| 23:45.36 | Adys | what no |
| 23:46.01 | Gnarfoz | only "hard" bosses imho are SFK 1st boss and err... whichever one annoys me, 3rd, I think |
| 23:46.15 | Amarande | Gnarfoz: the commander boss, I think I'm thinking of the one you're thinking of |
| 23:46.21 | Adys | sfk is easy. if your group doesnt have the dps or has shit heal, you can skip the only hard boss of the instance (if you wiped at the first one, chances are your group is shite and has already disbanded before you spent over 5 mins on the instance) |
| 23:46.22 | Gnarfoz | commander what |
| 23:46.27 | Amarande | we actually gave up on that one in a guild group after a couple attempts and thought to come back in raid gear |
| 23:46.30 | Adys | yes, the commander |
| 23:46.32 | Adys | and hes skippable |
| 23:46.36 | Gnarfoz | stonecore has no commander |
| 23:46.45 | Adys | im talking about sfk |
| 23:47.02 | Adys | sfk is shadowfang keep, not stonecore :p |
| 23:47.06 | Gnarfoz | no shit sherlock |
| 23:47.10 | Amarande | Springvale |
| 23:47.14 | Gnarfoz | see me list both in the same sentence, above |
| 23:47.21 | Adys | ah |
| 23:47.27 | Gnarfoz | oooh |
| 23:47.30 | Gnarfoz | actually! |
| 23:47.31 | Adys | erm wait what? |
| 23:47.33 | Gnarfoz | bad copy-editing |
| 23:47.37 | Adys | you didnt list stonecore ever :p |
| 23:47.49 | Gnarfoz | yeah, I changed the latter half of the sentence around twice, "stonecore" somehow got eradicated :p |
| 23:47.51 | Amarande | Adys, I try not to think about stonecore |
| 23:48.00 | Kraps | "There is no ICD on this trinket, it works on a PPM system, current testing shows it to be 1 PPM" umm, isnt PPM dictated by ICD? |
| 23:48.07 | Gnarfoz | anyway, I meant Ozruk, 3rd boss of stonecore |
| 23:48.10 | Amarande | Kraps: no |
| 23:48.19 | Amarande | PPM is like Crusader enchant and the like |
| 23:48.20 | Adys | stonecore is easy. 3rd boss is a pain if your tank doesnt know what to do yes |
| 23:48.32 | Adys | grim batol is very easy |
| 23:48.45 | Amarande | it's a fixed chance per event that can cause a proc, calibrated to average a particular number of procs per minute, but can vary |
| 23:48.47 | Adys | deadmines is the trickiest of them all, but still not "hard" |
| 23:49.01 | Adys | certainly nothing on your list is "OMG HARD" |
| 23:49.03 | Gnarfoz | I know very well what to do, it's just that there's no margin of error, one wrong step and the fucker casts his cone AoE into the group :p |
| 23:49.07 | Amarande | Adys: GB is apparently really gear dependent, though. |
| 23:49.10 | Adys | (read: your groups are just shit) |
| 23:49.15 | Adys | No, it's not. |
| 23:49.27 | Amarande | Adds on the last boss are virtually a pure DPS check |
| 23:49.29 | Gnarfoz | (what's supposed to be hard about deadmines? :D) |
| 23:49.50 | Adys | im not sure tbh Gnarfoz |
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| 23:50.01 | Adys | i mean, the vapors can be tricky to deal with in a slow group |
| 23:50.11 | Amarande | Gnarfoz: people who cause monkeys to join in the battles |
| 23:50.16 | Adys | the last boss is a complete horror if your group doesnt know what to do |
| 23:50.24 | Adys | yeah Amarande you see your groups are shit |
| 23:51.24 | Amarande | Adys: Yeah, I imagined as much. Hell after I got votekicked from H VC, my GM said that group wasn't likely to finish the dungeon anyway |
| 23:51.55 | Adys | vc? |
| 23:51.59 | Amarande | VC = deadmines |
| 23:52.01 | Gnarfoz | 'van cleef' |
| 23:52.08 | Dagmar | Freaky ain' it? |
| 23:52.10 | Gnarfoz | what weirdos call deadmines :P |
| 23:52.15 | Adys | .. wtf. |
| 23:52.23 | Amarande | Gnarfoz: it's because DM stands for Dire Maul and there really isn't a better abbreviation for that one |
| 23:52.30 | Gnarfoz | DM is older than Dire Maul, so no. |
| 23:52.37 | Adys | who goes to dire maul. |
| 23:52.42 | Gnarfoz | also, if you can't figure out which one is being talked about, you have a serious problem :p |
| 23:52.55 | Adys | i was already pissed off back then when they used DM instead of DMN/DME/DMW for dire maul |
| 23:52.57 | Amarande | Adys: doesn't really matter now, most of the abbreviations originated back in the day when all the old world dungeons were actually still visited regularly |
| 23:53.10 | Adys | nobody ever uses vc on my serv |
| 23:53.19 | Amarande | Of course, the really fun times were in BC, especially after 2.4 |
| 23:53.24 | Amarande | 2 dungeons abbreviated MT and 2 abbreviated SH |
| 23:53.31 | Gnarfoz | because Dire Maul is not as old as Deadmines, why would the older one get replaced :p |
| 23:53.37 | Adys | [23:51:48] <Amarande> Of course, the really fun times were in BC |
| 23:53.40 | Amarande | I more than once joined a group for Sethekk when I had wanted to go to Shattered Halls |
| 23:53.42 | Adys | now you're on drugs |
| 23:53.47 | Gnarfoz | it's MgT for a reason |
| 23:54.04 | Amarande | Gnarfoz: Now, yeah. A lot of people in the early days of 2.4 called it just MT though |
| 23:54.23 | Amarande | I'm guessing maybe they wanted to forget about Mana Tombs, though, since heroic Mana Tombs is a nightmare at-level |
| 23:54.28 | Gnarfoz | ... |
| 23:54.30 | Amarande | even NOW it's annoying at-level |
| 23:54.51 | Amarande | Gnarfoz: case in point, I did that heroic on my hunter at 72-73 or so and there was this one ret pally who died about three times in the final room |
| 23:54.55 | Adys | if it was annoying at-level back when there were fully epic geared players |
| 23:55.01 | Amarande | because he was melee and the mana wyrms explode |
| 23:55.01 | Adys | why would it be less annoying now |
| 23:55.23 | Amarande | Adys: because most people queuing into BC heroics probably have some early LK gear, which is as good or better than most BC epics |
| 23:55.41 | Adys | no its not |
| 23:56.20 | Adys | people who queue for BC heroics are level 70; nobody queues into a bc heroic at 71+ |
| 23:56.33 | Adys | and greens lvl 70 are not better than epics lvl 70 even from wlk |
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| 23:57.46 | Amarande | yeah I'm trying to remember what the highest level people I've seen in BC heroics now are |
| 23:57.54 | Adys | 70 |
| 23:58.02 | Adys | i'm a fucking psychic, i can tell |
| 23:58.16 | Gnarfoz | not a regular psychic, a fucking psychic |
| 23:58.19 | Gnarfoz | (take note) |
| 23:58.26 | Amarande | the highest even I've gone to one at is 73, and that was because I wanted to finish off the Mag'har rep chain to get as close as possible to a talbuk before having to farm ogres and beads |
| 23:58.39 | Amarande | and had the luck to ding 73 before getting the quest to go to Crypts, so I had to do it on heroic since you can't queue it normal after 72 |
