| 00:00.17 | Wobin | Shirik: oh Congratulations! What do you have now? |
| 00:00.22 | Wobin | Is it Dr Shirik yet? |
| 00:01.55 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Cairenn -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ || 4.0.x ToC: 40000 || #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting |
| 00:02.20 | Wobin | There really needs to be a notification of what the topic -was- |
| 00:02.41 | Wobin | ie <X> has changed the topic for #wowuidev from [Z] to [Y] |
| 00:02.57 | Cairenn | lots of irc clients have an option of showing you the old one when it changes |
| 00:03.18 | Arrowmaster | and its entirely possible to make any client thats scriptable do it |
| 00:04.00 | zenzelezz | zenzelezz@stalin:~$ grep "changed the topic" .xchat2/xchatlogs/FreeNode-#wowuidev.log | tail -n 2 |
| 00:04.42 | Wobin | btw http://music.amandapalmer.net/album/tristan-allen |
| 00:04.46 | Wobin | some awesome piano music |
| 00:05.05 | Wobin | (Original, piano music, mind you) |
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| 00:14.45 | Amarande | "Auctioneer needs a confirmation to continue posting" <--- this a feature for our sake or did Blizzard do some sort of secure thing where the old "post em all" behavior isn't allowed? |
| 00:15.43 | zenzelezz | is that a feature request or an issue/bug report? |
| 00:16.08 | Amarande | zenzelezz: I've noticed that when I post multi-stack auctions with Auctioneer now, I always have to do an extra confirmation click at some point |
| 00:17.16 | Amarande | it wasn't that way before cata. |
| 00:17.29 | cbreak | for partial stacks |
| 00:20.28 | karl_w_w | the most annoying thing is that you have to switch to the post tab before you can alt double click to post something |
| 00:22.53 | Shirik2 | $ find . | grep ".lua$" | grep -v "svn" | xargs grep "AuctioneerPostPrompt" |
| 00:22.53 | Shirik2 | xargs: unmatched single quote |
| 00:22.56 | Shirik2 | what? |
| 00:23.08 | Kraps | heres something you probably never did: teach your niece and nephew to play bejeweled |
| 00:23.24 | Adys | Shirik: that means theres a quote somewhere in a previous output, and xargs doesnt like it |
| 00:23.50 | Amarande | Kraps: isn't that like teaching them how to do opium? :) |
| 00:24.21 | Shirik2 | $ find . | grep ".lua$" | grep -v "svn" | grep "'" |
| 00:24.21 | Shirik2 | ./DBM-Coliseum/Anub'arak.lua |
| 00:24.21 | Shirik2 | ./DBM-Naxx/ArachnidQuarter/Anub'Rekhan.lua |
| 00:24.21 | Shirik2 | ./DBM-Naxx/FrostwyrmLair/Kel'Thuzad.lua |
| 00:24.26 | Shirik2 | Who do I contact to kill the DBM authors? |
| 00:24.37 | Kraps | no because they're like 3 and 4, so its just really frustrating |
| 00:24.55 | Adys | Shirik: use xargs -0 or something, and make grep separate with NULL |
| 00:25.02 | Adys | dont ask me how |
| 00:25.06 | Shirik2 | I don't need to |
| 00:25.09 | Shirik2 | I'll just skip those lines |
| 00:25.24 | Adys | also |
| 00:25.27 | Adys | svn needs to be shot |
| 00:25.34 | Adys | in the face, then in the head, then in the face again |
| 00:25.37 | Adys | and then in the butt. |
| 00:25.46 | cbreak | find can zero terminate lines if you use -print0 |
| 00:26.19 | cbreak | also look at find -X |
| 00:26.21 | Adys | Yeah that |
| 00:27.12 | Shirik2 | or I could just skip DBM |
| 00:27.23 | cbreak | also, grep isn't really needed |
| 00:27.43 | cbreak | just use find . -name "*.lua" and so on |
| 00:28.09 | Shirik2 | I don't have man pages and didn't want to look it up |
| 00:28.12 | Adys | find's syntax is retarded |
| 00:28.15 | Adys | seriously |
| 00:28.21 | cbreak | I like it |
| 00:28.37 | Adys | i use find | grep foo when i want to find files |
| 00:28.52 | cbreak | I don't |
| 00:28.54 | Arrowmaster | half the time i just use locate |
| 00:29.08 | cbreak | I usually use mdfind, but it's syntax is worse than find :/ |
| 00:29.10 | Shirik2 | sh.exe: locate: command not found |
| 00:29.42 | zenzelezz | ... exe? |
| 00:29.50 | Arrowmaster | Shirik2: you are on windows, why the hell would you expect to have locate? |
| 00:33.02 | Shirik2 | Arrowmaster: Because Windows is superior? |
| 00:33.14 | zenzelezz | then why are you using *nix utilities? |
| 00:33.26 | Shirik2 | because I have been brainwashed |
| 00:33.30 | Shirik2 | I have not yet purged this knowledged |
| 00:33.35 | Shirik2 | see |
| 00:33.42 | Shirik2 | the "d" suffix that everything has on windows |
| 00:33.45 | Shirik2 | it got stuck on my knowledge |
| 00:33.53 | Shirik2 | ... |
| 00:33.56 | Shirik2 | s/windows/unix/ |
| 00:33.56 | zenzelezz | everything? |
| 00:34.18 | Shirik2 | it's my knowledge daemon |
| 00:34.26 | zenzelezz | shirik@lulz:~$ lsd -lh |
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| 00:44.09 | m^rk | anyone got any info about UNIT_HEALTH_PREDICITON event that wowiki says is new in cata? i can't find it in cata lua source or any details about it |
| 00:44.37 | Arrowmaster | !api UNIT_HEALTH_PREDICTION |
| 00:44.38 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'UNIT_HEALTH_PREDICTION'. |
| 00:45.02 | Shadowed | Pretty sure you mean something like |
| 00:45.06 | Shadowed | UNIT_INCOMING_HEALTH |
| 00:45.37 | Shadowed | UNIT_HEAL_PREDICTION |
| 00:45.39 | Shadowed | that |
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| 00:47.36 | m^rk | can't find that in wow lua source either |
| 00:48.05 | m^rk | but in general I'm trying to determine if they added some apis/events for incoming heals |
| 00:48.08 | Shadowed | they did |
| 00:48.12 | Shadowed | it's UNIT_HEAL_PREDICTIOn |
| 00:48.39 | Adys | It's bugged, currently |
| 00:49.17 | m^rk | how do you get the predicted health for the unit? |
| 00:49.34 | Thrae | I hear good things about "Unity3D". Anyone familiar with it? |
| 00:53.04 | m^rk | UnitGetIncomingHeals().. ah |
| 00:56.02 | nicoli_s | Thrae:ive heard good things as well |
| 00:56.18 | nicoli_s | from the people in the xna programming channel im in, people highly recommend it |
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| 00:58.00 | kd3 | yuck. just bought a new car battery today... $110! |
| 01:00.16 | nicoli_s | should have gotten a cheaper hamster based one |
| 01:00.47 | kd3 | I would have... if hamsters had the power to crank my mazda3 |
| 01:01.45 | Shirik2 | why new battery? |
| 01:02.17 | kd3 | day before christmas it died, couldn't get it to turn over. figured it was just the cold so I left it charging and bummed a ride from my little brother to get to work |
| 01:02.35 | kd3 | today, presumably fully charged, tried to start it, wouldn't. said screw it and bought a new one |
| 01:03.48 | Amarande | kd3: you need a new Khorium Power Core |
| 01:03.55 | kd3 | lol |
| 01:04.17 | Amarande | you know, I'm not sure why people hate khorium these days |
| 01:04.29 | Amarande | just go around IQD a few times with a miner, you're bound to nab it as it spawns, since no one ever goes there anymore |
| 01:05.10 | ProNihilist | I wish my non-engineers could get a turbo-charged flying machine too |
| 01:12.01 | intangir_ | im trying to use this hook function like so: |
| 01:12.08 | intangir_ | button:HookScript("OnEnter", GuildInfo_UpdateTooltip) |
| 01:12.10 | intangir_ | but its erroring |
| 01:12.17 | intangir_ | says usage is.. exactly like i just tried |
| 01:12.26 | intangir_ | is that not a valid event? |
| 01:32.33 | mckenziemc | intangir_: i'm guessing UpdateTooltip needs a 'self' parameter |
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| 01:40.14 | Shirik2 | I swear to god if I come across another addon that doesn't know how to hide its own tooltip |
| 01:40.22 | Shirik2 | I'm going to hunt down that author myself |
| 01:41.10 | Thunder_Child | maybe you should learn to have unique names |
| 01:44.00 | Thunder_Child | "http://us.battle.net.account.support.survey.xml.com-us-en.com/login.html?ref=https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/account/&app=wam&rhtml=true" i lol'd |
| 01:44.55 | Thunder_Child | "If you can not tie in with our soon we will have to temporarily lock your account." |
| 01:47.44 | cbreak | I get similarly weird spam |
| 01:48.03 | cbreak | strangely enough only on e-mail addresses that have nothing to do with WoW, and that blizzard does not know about |
| 01:48.26 | Thunder_Child | replace blizzard with ADT (which is a home security company) and i have one of those as well, which is rather odd. |
| 01:48.43 | foxlit | cbreak: you aren't really expecting blizzard to be spamming you with account scams? |
| 01:49.45 | Arrowmaster | majority of those scams are easy to spot, the Return-Path header is wrong |
| 01:49.54 | Arrowmaster | very few of them actually spoof it |
| 01:50.16 | cbreak | foxlit: I do. :) |
| 01:50.20 | Arrowmaster | mainly because they are using webmail accounts that dont allow them to spoof it |
| 01:50.26 | mckenziemc | just check where the links go, viola, scam detected |
| 01:51.39 | mckenziemc | oh that reminds me |
| 01:52.18 | mckenziemc | is there a way to set up firefox so that when i click a wowwiki link, it automatically gets replaced with the wowpedia equivalent? |
| 01:52.30 | Arrowmaster | userscripts.org |
| 01:53.02 | Arrowmaster | http://userscripts.org/scripts/search?q=wowpedia&x=0&y=0 |
| 01:54.09 | mckenziemc | ty |
| 01:55.31 | Shirik2 | viola is an instrument |
| 01:56.45 | Shirik2 | [2. Trade] [Lichprinceses] whats a mat? |
| 01:57.12 | amro | your face |
| 01:57.13 | Dagmar | It's the thing you sleep on for an hour after recess |
| 01:57.15 | amro | after im done with it |
| 02:02.41 | sylvanaar | OMG http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2NnnzhJ6nA |
| 02:02.43 | sylvanaar | lol |
| 02:17.17 | Shirik2 | ha |
| 02:17.19 | Shirik2 | Tol Barad |
| 02:17.19 | Shirik2 | Winning as an attacker now rewards players with 1800 Honor Points, up from 180. Winning as a defender still rewards players with 180 Honor Points. |
| 02:17.26 | Shirik2 | I think Blizzard realizes how hard it is to win >.> |
| 02:17.30 | Shirik2 | (as attacker) |
| 02:19.55 | Amarande | Shirik: won't that eventually cause PvP in a battlegroup to favor players from the faction who has Tol Barad less? |
| 02:20.28 | Shirik2 | how do you figure? |
| 02:22.43 | intangir_ | how do i test if im in combat in an addon? |
| 02:22.59 | karl_w_w | 1800 haha |
| 02:23.11 | intangir_ | just grabbing guild info into an array causes noticible choppiness |
| 02:23.32 | Shirik2 | intangir_: Lots of ways; what are you actually looking for? |
| 02:23.44 | Gagorian | InCombatLockdown() |
| 02:23.45 | Shirik2 | Are you looking for combat lockdown? Are you looking to avoid doing computationally expensive things in combat? |
| 02:24.03 | intangir_ | ya the 2nd thing |
| 02:24.08 | Shirik2 | Gagorian: Wrong answer |
| 02:24.15 | Shirik2 | intangir_: UnitAffectingCombat("player") |
| 02:24.26 | Gagorian | Shirik2: pfft :) |
| 02:24.34 | intangir_ | do you know why just grabbing guild info into an array causes so much chop? |
| 02:24.37 | karl_w_w | !api incombatlockdown |
| 02:24.37 | lua_bot | InCombatLockdown: Returns whether the user interface is protected due to combat (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/InCombatLockdown) |
| 02:24.39 | intangir_ | its like 1/3 second delay |
| 02:24.51 | Shirik2 | intangir_: Sounds like you're doing something bad |
| 02:25.24 | intangir_ | does this: |
| 02:25.25 | intangir_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:25.25 | intangir_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:25.28 | intangir_ | fills an array |
| 02:25.40 | intangir_ | is it expenseive to call getnum like that in the test |
| 02:25.45 | intangir_ | does it call it every iteration? |
| 02:25.48 | Shirik2 | no |
| 02:26.06 | mckenziemc | Shirk2: what's the difference between UnitAffectingCombat("player") and InCombackLockdown() ? |
| 02:26.07 | Amarande | Shirik: because if you get 10x as much honor for winning as attacker, then if you have Tol Barad more, you get fewer opportunities to *be* the attacker. |
| 02:26.12 | mckenziemc | Shirik2* |
| 02:26.26 | Shirik2 | mckenziemc: There are times when you can be in combat but not locked down |
| 02:26.38 | Shirik2 | Very brief moments, but they exist |
| 02:26.39 | Amarande | Depending on the precise ratio, it seems like the side that has it less can get more honor in the long run because of having more opportunities to *be* the attacker and thus get 10x honor. |
| 02:26.41 | mckenziemc | examples? |
| 02:26.59 | Amarande | Let's say Alliance holds Tol Barad for three cycles and then Horde wins it. Alliance ends up with 540 honor ... Horde with 1800 for their one victory. |
| 02:27.06 | karl_w_w | but if you're bad at defending you're likely to be bad at attacking as well |
| 02:27.23 | Shirik2 | like when PLAYER_ENTER_COMBAT fires |
| 02:27.28 | Amarande | of course, it might be that Tol Barad is completely irrelevant to PvP success overall |
| 02:27.41 | karl_w_w | let's go with that one |
| 02:27.49 | Amarande | Since I'm guessing all the *good* PvP gear comes from Conquest Points, and anything that's bound entirely to Honor Points like TB, thus is second-class PvP |
| 02:28.00 | Shirik2 | Amarande: The worst you can do and still get that benefit is 50% losses |
| 02:28.05 | Shirik2 | In which case everyone is equal |
| 02:28.12 | Shirik2 | You don't get the honor if you lose |
| 02:28.52 | intangir_ | the choppiness is really annoying |
| 02:29.05 | intangir_ | i guess i can put in something that skips it if its in a certain timeframe |
| 02:29.18 | Shirik2 | intangir_: You're going to have to show me some code if I'm to figure out what's going on |
| 02:29.22 | Shirik2 | it shouldn't be taking that long |
| 02:29.27 | intangir_ | let me post it somewhere |
| 02:29.47 | karl_w_w | The heal from Frenzied Regeneration was too powerful and has been reduced by 50%. <- huzzah! |
| 02:29.51 | intangir_ | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/144340 |
| 02:31.18 | intangir_ | could it be date thats slowing it down so much? |
| 02:31.26 | mckenziemc | does it still lag if you comment out all the stuff besides GetGuildRosterInfo(i) ? |
| 02:31.27 | intangir_ | thats probably it isnt it |
| 02:31.37 | Shirik2 | ok you're making way too many tables |
| 02:32.06 | intangir_ | i need to have each of those levels though, for other guilds, and other stats besides levels, later im adding ranks |
| 02:32.18 | Shirik2 | except you remake the table every time you run through this |
| 02:32.25 | Shirik2 | why? |
| 02:32.58 | Shirik2 | change `guildInfo[name] = {};` to `guildInfo[name] = guildInfo[name] or {};` |
| 02:33.04 | Shirik2 | and the same for the other places you create tables |
| 02:33.23 | mckenziemc | oh, line 7: you're not using local, so every time it stores a value it has to look up _G i think |
| 02:33.26 | Gagorian | Perhaps needs a clear in between? |
| 02:33.28 | Shirik2 | guildInfo = guildInfo or {} |
| 02:33.41 | Arrowmaster | yeah use more locals too |
| 02:33.44 | mckenziemc | Shirik2: the if loops are probably quicker than that |
| 02:33.44 | intangir_ | so is or like in perl? where it automatically fails over to the other thing? |
| 02:33.49 | mckenziemc | if blocks* |
| 02:33.54 | Shirik2 | mckenziemc: You're a nutcase if you honestly think that |
| 02:34.14 | mckenziemc | oh? |
| 02:34.16 | Arrowmaster | mckenziemc: they arent |
| 02:34.21 | Shirik2 | Not only did you say something that is on the order of 1% of the time it takes to create a table, but mine has two massive performance hits |
| 02:34.26 | mckenziemc | if it finds an old value, it has to store it -again- |
| 02:34.29 | Shirik2 | the first is creating the table, the second is cleaning up the table |
| 02:34.50 | Shirik2 | Which is practically instant |
| 02:34.57 | Arrowmaster | if you are using locals |
| 02:34.58 | Shirik2 | And is much better than trying to create a completely new table |
| 02:35.01 | intangir_ | ok thanks guys |
| 02:35.10 | mckenziemc | Shirik2: not if the if is set up right |
| 02:35.14 | intangir_ | i think yall are arguing 2 different points btw, i dont have an if on the one shirik is talking about |
| 02:35.17 | intangir_ | im going to try both |
| 02:35.20 | Shirik2 | yes if the "if" is set up right |
| 02:35.25 | Shirik2 | Creating this many tables is very bad |
| 02:35.36 | Gagorian | He should be using locals though as well |
| 02:35.40 | Shirik2 | he's literally creating hundreds of tables every time the roster is updated (i.e., every time someone comes online) |
| 02:35.48 | intangir_ | oh the guildinfo table isnt local btw, i use it in other functions too |
| 02:35.52 | Shirik2 | Yes, but the "local" issue is not going to cause such a big issue |
| 02:35.54 | intangir_ | so i have to keep that one global right? |
| 02:35.55 | Shirik2 | the tables are |
| 02:35.59 | Shirik2 | intangir_: No, it should be an upvalue |
| 02:35.59 | intangir_ | ok |
| 02:36.01 | Shirik2 | but ignore that for now |
| 02:36.02 | mckenziemc | Shirik2: no he isn't |
| 02:36.12 | Shirik2 | Yes he is |
| 02:36.21 | mckenziemc | line 8 he is, but not the others |
| 02:36.36 | Shirik2 | What are you talking about |
| 02:36.48 | mckenziemc | lines 16 through 32 |
| 02:36.52 | Shirik2 | line 8 by itself is a problem |
| 02:37.09 | mckenziemc | yes line 8 is a problem, but you said all the others were too |
| 02:37.11 | Shirik2 | In my guild it would end up creating about 400 tables every time |
| 02:37.29 | Shirik2 | ok I misread the others, but regardless |
| 02:37.49 | mckenziemc | ah ok then |
| 02:38.52 | Amarande | what is with these guilds with hundreds of people, anyways :S |
| 02:39.35 | intangir_ | guild perks |
| 02:39.38 | Amarande | like there's this one I've seen on my alliance server that seems to take anyone and everyone and has something like 800 members |
| 02:39.48 | Shirik2 | I know pretty much everyone in guild |
| 02:39.51 | Shirik2 | it's not like there's 400 people |
| 02:39.55 | Shirik2 | it's like everyone has 5000 alts |
| 02:40.11 | Amarande | yeah, one guild I'm in on horde has about 170 members but there's really only about a third that in actual people |
| 02:40.26 | Amarande | I've seen ones that are *constantly* advertising for more people though and seem to take any old trade chat person |
| 02:40.42 | Amarande | I mean, what's the idea of that? It's gotta be basically ... trade chat, in guild form :S |
| 02:41.01 | Shirik2 | it's a difference in guild philosophy |
| 02:41.05 | Shirik2 | some people think more members = better |
| 02:41.13 | Shirik2 | and to be fair, there is a crowd for which that works very well |
| 02:41.23 | Shirik2 | I would hate to interact with most of them |
| 02:41.25 | Shirik2 | but such is how it is |
| 02:41.27 | Amarande | Shirik: probably works better for them now too, with the perks |
| 02:41.28 | Dagmar | for the zerg! |
| 02:41.34 | Xyphoid | if you're not interested in joining a guild, then you may as well join a zerg guild and ignore gchat |
| 02:41.38 | Shirik2 | Dobutful |
| 02:41.44 | Xyphoid | it's a strict advantage now |
| 02:41.48 | Shirik2 | We aren't really that big, and we hit the guild xp cap very easily |
| 02:41.55 | Dagmar | Amarande: Depends on whether or not they're coordinated enough to work together regularly |
| 02:42.09 | Dagmar | Amarande: Most of the "good" guild perks require guild faction |
| 02:42.14 | Dagmar | Guess how you get that? |
| 02:42.24 | Shirik2 | Ninjaing the guild bank |
| 02:42.29 | Dagmar | hehehe |
| 02:42.43 | Xyphoid | don't you get guild rep just for doing dailies? |
| 02:42.50 | Dagmar | Guild XP. |
| 02:42.50 | Amarande | quests in general, yeah |
| 02:42.59 | Amarande | Dagmar: anything that gives guild XP also gives guild rep |
| 02:43.05 | Amarande | unless you're capped for the week |
| 02:43.18 | mckenziemc | what Xyphoid said |
| 02:43.25 | Dagmar | I was under the impression you had to be _working with guildies_ to get guild rep |
| 02:43.31 | mckenziemc | nah |
| 02:43.41 | Amarande | Dagmar: that's only for dungeon runs and PvP events, I believe. |
| 02:43.45 | Dagmar | I have contributed a crapload of guild XP because I am a questing whore. |
| 02:43.48 | Xyphoid | i've got heaps of guild rep just from levelling 80-85 solo |
| 02:44.00 | Dagmar | I'm still at Friendly. |
| 02:44.05 | Amarande | *every quest you complete that gives XP* gives guild rep, though it's usually only a few points per quest |
| 02:44.16 | Amarande | like right now I'm in the late 60s and tend to get about five or six guild rep per quest |
| 02:44.21 | Shirik2 | dailies do well |
| 02:44.24 | Shirik2 | heroics do well |
| 02:44.37 | Shirik2 | guild heroics, that is |
| 02:44.40 | Amarande | Personally, I can't understand the love for some of the perks though |
| 02:44.43 | Motig | I think it's a shame they removed guild exp from guild achievements |
| 02:45.16 | Amarande | Like the ones that give extra % XP |
| 02:45.21 | Amarande | you level fast enough as it is :| |
| 02:45.45 | Amarande | I'm having trouble keeping my archaeology and inscription up in Outland and still having room to do quests and the occasional dungeon without outleveling something or other |
| 02:46.17 | Amarande | Inscription's ready for Northrend, yeah, but Arch is still at 315 and I'm midway through 68 leaving by far the lion's share of the content untouched |
| 02:46.56 | Amarande | pretty much, questwise, I've only done some of the initial Hellfire content, and then the stuff that gave Kurenai rep, as well as a few turnins of quest-initiating drops, and that's about it. |
| 02:48.29 | Dagmar | I'll have to look more closely tomorrow night at how much rep we get for hitting instances together... It's definitely more than I've been seeing from quests afaik |
| 02:48.35 | Amarande | I'm also wondering how much the level 24 guild perk will impact some aspects of the economy once guilds can attain that level (sometime this spring, at the earliest). |
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| 02:49.08 | Amarande | particularly, whether membership in a guild of that level will eventually become mandatory for any engineers that want to make a profit on bikes |
| 02:49.48 | Dagmar | Someone would make those for a loss? |
| 02:50.17 | Xyphoid | people sure appear to |
| 02:50.32 | clever | Amarande: you could make a profit just selling the mats |
| 02:50.46 | clever | Amarande: buy them and then sell somewhere between normal and what you paid, on the AH |
| 02:50.51 | Dagmar | (bind on pickup) |
| 02:51.38 | clever | :( |
| 02:52.19 | Kraps | Tol Barad: Winning as an attacker now rewards players with 1800 Honor Points, up from 180. Winning as a defender still rewards players with 180 Honor Points. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 02:52.19 | Amarande | Dagmar: well, the thing that occurs to me is, that especially since people are a lot less interested in ground mounts and there's a lot more 450+ engineers, the price is likely to drop to close to cost or so, if it hasn't already |
| 02:52.50 | Amarande | eventually, if you're not in a rank 24+ guild, you won't be able to compete and make any profit or even break even, because the engineers in those guilds get the BoP vendor mats for 1250g less than you |
| 02:53.11 | Dagmar | Kraps: Well, that's _one_ way to ensure it changes hands from time to time |
| 02:53.18 | Kraps | ^ |
| 02:53.23 | Kraps | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/1232869 |
| 02:53.27 | Amarande | Dagmar: heh, which is a good thing |
| 02:53.47 | Amarande | because for some reason I tend to always end up playing the faction that usually doesn't have WG/TB :S |
| 02:55.40 | Shirik2 | Kraps: Slow |
| 02:56.20 | Dagmar | Amarande: Well, Tol Barad was pretty much broken without *some* reason for the defenders to let it go |
| 02:56.34 | Kraps | Shirik2: what |
| 02:56.35 | Dagmar | Now I get the feeling it's going to change hands pretty regularly |
| 02:56.39 | Shirik2 | already linked that! |
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| 02:57.29 | Dagmar | Ooo... Uldum got it's _second_ daily! |
| 02:57.51 | intangir_ | Shirik2: i thikn that worked big time |
| 02:58.04 | karl_w_w | was undocumented change for about a week Dagmar |
| 02:58.08 | intangir_ | i made both spots were it creates the table use the or logic, its much faster |
| 02:58.14 | intangir_ | baaaarely noticable delay |
| 02:58.31 | Motig | wow 1800 honor for winning tol barad |
| 02:58.33 | Motig | that's sweet |
| 02:58.37 | intangir_ | i also need to flag each button to use a callback on mouse over though so i can do a tooltip when i mouse over the guild names |
| 02:58.41 | Motig | that's a bit much maybe |
| 02:58.43 | intangir_ | that actually still causes a pretty big lag |
| 03:00.15 | Amarande | Dagmar: does it give Ramkahen rep, or just gold? |
| 03:00.46 | Dagmar | It gives rep. |
| 03:01.04 | Dagmar | If it weren't giving rep, it would be fappery, not a daily |
| 03:05.51 | nichdu | Dagmar: where is this 2nd daily? |
| 03:06.58 | Dagmar | http://www.wowpedia.org/Quest:Fire_From_the_Sky_%28daily%29 |
| 03:07.05 | nichdu | ty |
| 03:07.43 | Amarande | oh, the daily version of the schnottz quest |
| 03:07.45 | Dagmar | I got the achievement on it the first time I did it, and without rep there was no point whatsoever in going back |
| 03:07.57 | Dagmar | 10g I can pick up any freaking place |
| 03:08.09 | Dagmar | Hell, kill an animal and skin it and that's 10g right there. |
| 03:08.10 | Shirik2 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NIGHT_OF_THE_DAY_OF_THE_DAWN_OF_THE_SON_OF_THE_BRIDE_OF_THE_RETURN_OF_THE_REVENGE_OF_THE_TERROR_OF_THE_ATTACK_OF_THE_MUTANT,_HELLBOUND,_FLESH-EATING,_CRAWLING,_ALIEN,_ZOMBIFIED,_SUBHUMANOID_LIVING_DEAD_%E2%80%93_PART_5# |
| 03:08.37 | karl_w_w | thing is the quest has nothing to do with ramkahen, other than it was part of a quest chain in which you try to get your hands on the treasures the tol'vir are supposed to be protecting, so it doesnt really make much sense for it to give rep |
| 03:08.38 | Amarande | that can't possibly be a good movie, Shirik |
| 03:08.47 | Dagmar | s/good// |
| 03:09.04 | Amarande | Karl: a lot of things don't make sense repwise |
| 03:09.14 | Amarande | like the fact that you gain rep with netherwing mostly by helping their enslavers |
| 03:09.20 | Kraps | i bring you a blog post from the future http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/1829962 |
| 03:09.31 | Amarande | or the fact that the quest text in one quest in WPL mentions something about "the argent crusade won't be happy with you for this" |
| 03:09.38 | Amarande | ... and then you gain rep with Argent Crusade when you turn it in |
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| 03:10.03 | Dagmar | Beastmaster damage too low? |
| 03:10.06 | Dagmar | I like the sound of that |
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| 03:11.25 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: i thought a few of the quests were actually from disguised netherwing dragons |
| 03:12.30 | Dagmar | "We are probably going to remove Drain Mana from warlocks." <--lol just as long as they DON'T TOUCH Seed of Corruption |
| 03:12.57 | Arrowmaster | why would they remove drain mana? |
| 03:12.57 | Amarande | Dagmar: why would they remove something that's been a warlock staple since vanilla? |
| 03:13.13 | Dagmar | Amarande: Yeah but now it's the Honor Whores best friend |
| 03:13.22 | Amarande | *grumble* |
| 03:13.24 | Dagmar | You just start spamming it as the troops run by you |
| 03:13.25 | Arrowmaster | i wouldnt have been able to solo AQ40 trash without it |
| 03:13.36 | Amarande | PvE being nerfed to satisfy the needs of PvP. HATE. |
| 03:13.51 | Amarande | Besides, isn't drain mana also affected out the wazoo by resilience? |
| 03:13.56 | Dagmar | Everyone takes damage, everyone gets diseased (if you spec for it) and you get just a pornographic number of HKs |
| 03:14.09 | Amarande | It counts as a dot, right? |
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| 03:14.18 | Dagmar | When was the last time you drained mana instead of life tapped, in PvE? |
| 03:14.21 | Arrowmaster | hell AQ20 and AQ40 wouldnt have been doable without warlocks having drain mana |
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| 03:14.45 | Dagmar | it's about as useful for draining boss mana as the hunter Viper sting was |
| 03:14.57 | intangir_ | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/144341 |
| 03:15.00 | intangir_ | Shirik2: what do you think |
| 03:15.07 | foxlit | Not that mana draining has seen much use as a mechanic since Moam |
| 03:15.41 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: did they change drain mana? it was a percent of targets max mana last i played, which for bosses and raid mobs was a lot |
| 03:15.43 | Amarande | Dagmar: I could possibly conceive some use for it in Cata, I suppose, since with the new healing paradigm Life Tap is likely to be frowned upon more |
| 03:16.12 | Amarande | also, if it *is* a percent of target's max mana, why wasn't it abused on LDW25 to end P1 more quickly? |
| 03:16.28 | Amarande | (and THAT I think would be more of something that I'd see them wanting to hit with the nerf bat) |
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| 03:16.57 | Dagmar | It might well say it's a percentage but in practice you're not going to be draining any bosses mana away to nothing with it |
| 03:17.00 | Cide | you realize immunity to drain mana is probably the same as for mana burn |
| 03:17.18 | Amarande | Yeah, they could just make bosses immune to it |
| 03:17.19 | Cide | and if you have a boss whose progress depends on her mana you probably flag it as immune |
| 03:17.26 | Dagmar | Yep |
| 03:17.29 | Amarande | I'm reminded of the Shin Megami Tensei series, for instance |
| 03:17.52 | Amarande | in Nocturne, mana drain spells were AWESOME against many of the bosses, because once they ran out of MP they couldn't do much but basic attacks |
| 03:18.07 | Amarande | and, moreover, would often attempt to cast spells anyway and fail to do anything at all on their turn because they were out of MP |
| 03:18.29 | Amarande | then Digital Devil Saga (which used the same battle system) came out, and mana drains were reclassified from Almighty to Mute class, which bosses were always immune to |
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| 03:19.21 | Amarande | or Final Fantasy VII and I think IX, where some enemies, even bosses, could easily be neutered by depriving them of their MP |
| 03:19.31 | Amarande | then came FFX, where enemies never used their MP at all |
| 03:19.52 | Amarande | so even though you *could* drain their MP, it only served as a means for you to replenish yours, and didn't affect them at all |
| 03:20.01 | Dagmar | They need to just change the name for those |
| 03:20.10 | Dagmar | Permutative Generic Pedo Saga |
| 03:20.38 | Amarande | Perhaps most evilly, FFX-2 International, where the ultimate boss Trema was given the Spellspring ability (i.e., doesn't need MP to cast) |
| 03:20.52 | Cide | thank you for the involuntary lesson in gaming history |
| 03:20.58 | Dagmar | I coudln't even bother to finish the last one |
| 03:21.14 | Amarande | most of the strategies tended to rely on draining out his MP early on, because otherwise he would use Ultima after his HP fell by about 3/4, which was pretty much game over |
| 03:22.02 | Amarande | (FFX-2 Ultima tended to do 9999 to everyone, and even with max MDEF and shell it tended to do almost 5k ... which you weren't going to have if you used your accessory slots for +MDEF items instead of ones that gave you more HP) |
| 03:22.34 | Amarande | Dagmar: I haven't really gotten far in FFXII |
| 03:22.47 | Amarande | but that has more to do with it feeling like a single player MMO ... all of the grind and none of the companionship |
| 03:23.02 | Amarande | XIII I can't play because I don't have a console that can run it |
| 03:23.16 | Dagmar | It's boring as @#$@ |
| 03:23.34 | Dagmar | It's all things exploding, girls whining, and mashing the same few buttons |
| 03:24.53 | Amarande | actually, that last seems to be an issue with FF in general |
| 03:25.03 | Arrowmaster | i think i have FFXII somewhere around here, never played it though |
| 03:25.06 | Amarande | in most of them, you got to a point where all you did was spam normal attacks to win |
| 03:25.43 | Amarande | which is one thing I like about Shin Megami Tensei in particular, you actually have to think during battle |
| 03:30.44 | karl_w_w | god if you dc in tol barad it removed you straight away |
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| 03:36.59 | Jerub | my mother in law is interested in playing wow, what's the cheapest deal at the moment? |
| 03:37.05 | Jerub | is the $5 thing over? |
| 03:37.20 | Dagmar | Beating up a grade schooler until he fesses up his password |
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| 03:37.45 | Jerub | well, apart from that |
| 03:37.54 | Dark_Elf | cataclysm is on sale this week at bestbuy |
| 03:38.14 | Jerub | yeah, but i need you know, wow+bc, not wotlk+cata yet. |
| 03:38.16 | Dark_Elf | 10 off |
| 03:39.02 | Dark_Elf | best deal would be to get the battlechest |
| 03:40.10 | Jerub | that's like $40 at the moment. |
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| 03:42.34 | Dark_Elf | shesh its up to 29.99 now |
| 03:42.39 | Dark_Elf | at gamestop |
| 03:42.54 | Dark_Elf | dang i can remember when they had it for 10 at target at xmas lol |
| 03:44.59 | Xyphoid | minizep in instances is funny |
| 03:46.10 | foxlit | http://www.go-hero.net/box/ffi-curse.png << owch |
| 03:46.15 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCijGFnANh8&feature=feedu |
| 03:48.16 | Dagmar | Nice layout |
| 03:51.07 | Amarande | Xyphoid: I'm still surprised they didn't make the achievements tied to the old Winter Veil toys FoS |
| 03:51.51 | Amarande | I've heard rumor that you might be able to still get Crashin & Thrashin by using the Crashin Thrashin Robot engineers make (haven't tried myself), but you definitely can't get BB King anymore ... |
| 03:52.48 | Dagmar | WHy not? |
| 03:53.06 | Amarande | Dagmar: because BB King requires the BB gun from a previous Winter Veil that isn't given out anymore |
| 03:53.09 | Dagmar | Did they disable the achievement or something? |
| 03:53.16 | Dagmar | Amarande: They didn't take mine away |
| 03:54.24 | Amarande | Dagmar: I'm just wondering why they're still listed, pointed achievements when logically you'd think they'd be Feats of Strength now |
| 03:54.45 | Dagmar | Because they're not Feats of Strength |
| 03:56.04 | Amarande | Isn't that what they usually put now-unattainable achievements under, though? |
| 03:56.16 | Dagmar | They're not unattainmable. |
| 03:56.33 | Dagmar | BB King is perfectly achieveable for anyone who still has the BB gun |
| 03:57.02 | foxlit | Dagmar: but perfectly unachievable for someone who doesn't? |
| 03:57.29 | Xyphoid | what weirded me out was achievements just being disappeared |
| 03:57.33 | foxlit | [not all feats are unachievable -- but achievements usually are open to everyone, not just some subset of people] |
| 03:57.51 | Dagmar | Everyone who had an account then got a shot at the bb gun |
| 03:57.54 | Xyphoid | like The Keymaster |
| 03:58.25 | foxlit | Dagmar: not really relevant, is it? |
| 03:58.44 | Dagmar | Considering it's the only even remotely _limiting_ part of that, yes, it is. |
| 03:59.21 | Xyphoid | can you name another achievement offering points that can't be attained with a new character? i think it's just an oversight |
| 03:59.38 | Dagmar | Should I do all your research for you or just this one? |
| 03:59.38 | foxlit | Look, to me, the line between feats and achievements is that if a determined new player started now, he could be guaranteed to get the achievement. |
| 03:59.57 | Amarande | Xyphoid: I'm not sure if the Crashin & Thrashin one is attainable or not |
| 04:00.06 | Amarande | Like I said, I haven't personally checked to see if the Robot works like the Racer did. |
| 04:00.12 | Amarande | (And if it does, given the description, that might be a bug.) |
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| 04:03.32 | Dagmar | The other side of that coin is that I know of no "Feats of Strength" that a new player can do |
| 04:03.43 | foxlit | Meh. |
| 04:03.51 | foxlit | Insane. |
| 04:03.56 | Dagmar | ...or any old players for that matter. |
| 04:03.56 | foxlit | that was easy? |
| 04:04.08 | Amarande | Dagmar: There's a few, mostly related to mounts |
| 04:04.11 | Dagmar | Feats of Strength are "done" |
| 04:04.17 | foxlit | A brewfest mount. |
| 04:04.29 | Dagmar | You can still get the mount. |
| 04:04.34 | foxlit | Ashes of Al'ar. |
| 04:04.49 | foxlit | Avast Ye, Admiral! |
| 04:04.56 | Amarande | Ashes of Al'ar, Rivendare's Deathcharger, and the red AQ40 mount, in particular. |
| 04:05.06 | Amarande | Also the Wintersaber/Ravasaur give a FoS. |
| 04:05.09 | foxlit | I mean, I could go down this list of feats some more, but they're in no way all "done". |
| 04:05.22 | Dagmar | I, however, have the BB gun still, and just don't give enough of a damn to pull it out of the bank and go tripping all over for 10 kewpie points |
| 04:05.49 | foxlit | It's as if you're missing the direction of this distinction. |
| 04:06.02 | foxlit | If you can do it but it you can't be bothered, it may well be a feat. |
| 04:06.15 | foxlit | If someone new *can't* do it, it *shouldn't* be an achievement. |
| 04:06.24 | Dagmar | No, I just don't believe it's got anything to do with the egalitarian idea that a new player must have to be able to do them as well |
| 04:06.52 | foxlit | So why have feats at all? |
| 04:07.10 | Dagmar | For one-shot things and to rettire old achievements from the list |
| 04:07.21 | Dagmar | I don't even know why they moved the brew-fast mount achievement into a FoS |
| 04:07.23 | foxlit | What's a "one-shot" thing? |
| 04:07.33 | Dagmar | Invasion of Gnomeregan |
| 04:07.37 | foxlit | Ah. |
| 04:07.45 | foxlit | In that case, you're clearly wrong, and that's the end of that story. |
| 04:07.46 | Dagmar | Tripping the Rifst. |
| 04:07.54 | foxlit | Those aren't the only two cases they use feats for, so, meh. |
| 04:07.56 | Dagmar | 1000 Stone Keeper's Shards |
| 04:08.08 | Dagmar | Wow's 5th and 6th anniversary |
| 04:08.26 | Dagmar | Pretty much all of them are things no one can do anymore |
| 04:09.02 | Dagmar | BB King tho... anyone with the BB gun can still go and do it |
| 04:09.15 | foxlit | Anyone without anything can still go and farm the Glaives off Illidan. |
| 04:09.29 | foxlit | Doesn't make that an achievement. |
| 04:09.41 | Dagmar | Most people might be able to solo it by now |
| 04:10.39 | foxlit | I don't think that matters. |
| 04:11.36 | foxlit | The point, however, is "I can still do that!" doesn't prevent things from being feats. |
| 04:12.27 | Dagmar | That counts as a feat? |
| 04:12.42 | foxlit | Yes. |
| 04:12.54 | Dagmar | Either way, the achievements they've "retired" to FoS have almost all been things that one can't do anymore |
| 04:13.14 | Dagmar | When they take out one of the four guys BB King is the object of, *then* perhaps I'll agree with you |
| 04:13.27 | foxlit | [They took out cairne?] |
| 04:13.57 | Dagmar | Cairne's not one of the people you have to shoot. |
| 04:13.59 | foxlit | And funnily enough updated the kill list. |
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| 04:22.18 | Dagmar | The other somewhat sizeable distinction is that Feats of Strength are worth no points |
| 04:22.59 | Kraps | so mr mayor, how does it feel when an entire city takes you in the butt? http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2010/12/27/nyc-faced-with-tough-questions-about-blizzard-response/ |
| 04:24.53 | Dagmar | Kraps: Nothing's going to happen until the people rise up and kill the politicians responsible |
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| 04:37.43 | Shirik2 | Maybe we'd be better off |
| 04:37.48 | Shirik2 | If we brought down Korbechev |
| 04:38.05 | Shirik2 | I am the man who arranges the blocks |
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| 04:44.48 | Jerub | sorry, going to ask again because wife is asking. anyone know how to get a cheap copy of wow? cheaper than the $40 battlechest? |
| 04:45.11 | Kraps | vanilla? |
| 04:45.19 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: what did you get? |
| 04:45.32 | Dagmar | $40 is as cheap as yer gonna get as far as I knwo |
| 04:45.37 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: nothing yet :p |
| 04:45.52 | Thunder_Child | Jerub: OG? |
| 04:46.06 | Kraps | Jerub: vanilla or what |
| 04:46.07 | Thunder_Child | rolls his eyes @ Kraps |
| 04:46.57 | Kraps | (cant believe i'm getting pressured into game buying :( ) |
| 04:47.13 | Thunder_Child | hey, you said 'yet' not me |
| 04:47.34 | Kraps | because i cant decide |
| 04:48.21 | Jerub | Kraps: vanilla and bc if i can |
| 04:48.40 | Kraps | i'm not into star wars, NWN looks meh... |
| 04:48.57 | Jerub | Kraps: buy the sierra quest games from gog.com |
| 04:49.07 | Kraps | Jerub: http://www.amazon.com/World-Warcraft-Battle-Chest-Mac/dp/B000H96C9M/ref=sr_1_2?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1293511516&sr=1-2 ? |
| 04:51.43 | Jerub | Kraps: thanks |
| 04:52.10 | Thunder_Child | Jerub: well i found WoW for cheap, but not BC yet http://www.amazon.com/World-Warcraft-Pc/dp/B000067FDW |
| 04:52.21 | Kraps | Jerub: they dont have amazon in the internets where you live? :p |
| 04:52.33 | Jerub | yeah, they do, but we take for granted they don't deliver to australia |
| 04:53.14 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: i linked the same item, just in battlechest form /rolleyes |
| 04:53.23 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: but mine was cheaper |
| 04:53.40 | Jerub | much ;) |
| 04:53.47 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: but it didnt have BC |
| 04:54.00 | Thunder_Child | but if i can find it for $10 or so, it will be overall |
| 04:54.01 | Jerub | stupid $5 deal. |
| 04:55.18 | Jerub | ;) |
| 04:55.19 | Kraps | Jerub: australia takes the US version? |
| 04:55.22 | Jerub | yeah |
| 04:56.24 | Dagmar | They don't have to stick extra vowels all over the place innit like they do the UK version |
| 04:56.30 | Dagmar | ...so of course they'll be using the US client |
| 04:56.34 | Jerub | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:56.40 | Jerub | amazon is so annoying :/ |
| 04:56.44 | Dagmar | Australians: Sound like limeys, but spell like rational people |
| 04:57.02 | Kraps | "changing its quantity to 0" sounds legit |
| 04:57.02 | Jerub | they sell the kindle here, don't sell half the books, and basically all the tech crap won't be shipped here |
| 04:57.24 | Dagmar | Jerub: What you need is a mysterious benefactor in the US who will ship you gifts |
| 04:57.48 | Dagmar | Unfortunately, there will still be the problem of what happens when they start looking at the billing address |
| 04:57.52 | Jerub | Dagmar: yeah, i can pay for services like that. |
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| 04:58.17 | Jerub | you can buy kindle books by lying about your shipping address, you'll get to keep them for a few weeks, then they'll take them off you |
| 04:58.29 | Jerub | this is why i pirate ebooks :P |
| 04:58.42 | Dagmar | My guild leader ran into this issue, since he started his account in the US and then moved to AU. |
| 04:58.51 | Dagmar | Getting his authenticator was "interesting" |
| 05:00.34 | Jerub | oh that's not a problem |
| 05:00.41 | Jerub | i just need the dang code to activate tehe account |
| 05:00.43 | Jerub | it's the same box |
| 05:00.57 | amro | pirate! |
| 05:01.04 | amro | throws ninja stars at Jerub |
| 05:03.01 | Dagmar | hehe |
| 05:03.23 | Dagmar | Drat. One of these people calling for the assassination of Assange is a Nashville radio talk show host |
| 05:03.30 | Dagmar | ...except he's on an AM station. |
| 05:03.54 | Dagmar | There's nothing I can really do to make his plight worse, and it's not like anyone who matters listens to him anyway |
| 05:04.09 | Dagmar | Kinda hard to make a point using an AM transmitter |
| 05:04.28 | Thunder_Child | am i missing something? why is there even the auth field if it asks for it again |
| 05:04.49 | Kraps | what would am or fm make a difference? |
| 05:04.50 | Dagmar | Thunder_Child: On the client? If you didn't put in the auth code on the first screen, then it will ask you for it |
| 05:05.09 | Thunder_Child | Dagmar: i did put it on the first screen, and it still asked me for it |
| 05:05.11 | Dagmar | Kraps: Dude, there's people whose car radios don't even do AM, and they haven't noticed. |
| 05:05.28 | Dagmar | Thunder_Child: That's bizarre. It shouldnt' ask for it a second time |
| 05:05.37 | Thunder_Child | thats what i thought |
| 05:05.49 | Dagmar | Kraps: AM radio is pretty much not relevant to anything but old people |
| 05:08.03 | Arrowmaster | also all the portable devices that include a radio receiver like the music player i got for christmas never work with AM, they are FM only |
| 05:10.12 | Dagmar | There's a good possiblity that I had more people listening to me playing drug music at 2am back in the 90's than they have listeners during hte morning drive |
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| 05:12.47 | Dagmar | Wow radio is really closed-mouth about listener numbers. |
| 05:13.17 | Dagmar | As close as I can get is that at AM (ALL of AM) radio amounts to only 15% of radio listenership, and under age 55 it's only 10% |
| 05:14.10 | Amarande | that's because AM channels pretty much only ever give a) sports, which only get listened to when someone's driving somewhere during a game |
| 05:14.32 | Amarande | b) news, of the sort that tends to get listened to maybe once a day unless there's a weather report for an impending storm or you need to know about traffic |
| 05:14.33 | Dagmar | Well, long haul truckers, but I think those guys probably all switched to satellite or MP3 players |
| 05:14.44 | Dagmar | AM you can pick up for 200-300 miles at a stretch. FM, not nearly so long |
| 05:14.46 | Amarande | c) people like Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh ranting on about nothing. |
| 05:14.58 | Dagmar | C) is what WLAC is all about |
| 05:15.05 | Amarande | Hell. *I* could practically do a radio talk show. |
| 05:15.11 | Dagmar | They're a Fox affiliate |
| 05:15.19 | Amarande | All you have to do is yak for a few hours at a time, and if you run out of stuff to yak about you take some callers. |
| 05:15.34 | Dagmar | By george I think you have it |
| 05:15.36 | Dagmar | No wait... |
| 05:15.55 | Dagmar | You have to announce what station people are listening to at the top of the hour, the :20, :30, and :40. |
| 05:16.00 | Dagmar | NOW you could run a talk sho |
| 05:16.15 | Dagmar | The call sign thing is an FCC regulation |
| 05:16.32 | Dagmar | Don't ask me why it makes a great big peace logo on the clock |
| 05:16.45 | Dagmar | I never got an answer as to why it wasn't every 15 minutes |
| 05:17.49 | Arrowmaster | my car radio is set to WXEG and rarely ever gets changed to anything else |
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| 05:18.22 | Dagmar | 2900 watts? |
| 05:18.25 | mckenziemc1 | my car doesn't even have a radio : / |
| 05:18.35 | Dagmar | I'm guessing you don't have far to drive to work. |
| 05:18.37 | Thunder_Child | my car is set to mandora, and never changes |
| 05:18.38 | Kraps | talk radio needs more niche shows |
| 05:18.44 | Thunder_Child | pandora* |
| 05:18.48 | Thunder_Child | mandora >.< |
| 05:18.49 | Jamash | MANDORA |
| 05:18.52 | kd3 | listen to the radio? |
| 05:19.03 | kd3 | just hooks up his ipod |
| 05:19.04 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: me? i have a 30 minute drive to college |
| 05:19.14 | Dagmar | Damn that's impressive they reach that far then |
| 05:19.21 | Thunder_Child | kd3: pandora can hold far more than any ipod |
| 05:19.23 | Dagmar | Maybe you have a lot of traffic |
| 05:19.44 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: I am not trying to be a jerk about this, BTW. I'm genuinely suprised you can drive for 30 minutes and still hear them |
| 05:19.56 | Arrowmaster | whys that? |
| 05:19.59 | Dagmar | According to wikipedia they're 2900 watts. |
| 05:20.05 | Kraps | i mean, they should play podcasts on AM |
| 05:20.06 | Amarande | oh, wow, we have WG |
| 05:20.16 | Amarande | we never have Tol Barad on this server, but apparently we have WG, go figure |
| 05:20.29 | Kraps | my gad, i am so excited about this idea |
| 05:20.52 | mckenziemc1 | Dagmar: the electrical cords were cut out and there wasn't any radio in the slot when i bought the car; i didn't bother asking why |
| 05:21.02 | mckenziemc1 | i don't care much for radio while driving |
| 05:21.10 | Kraps | PODCASTS ON THE RADIO |
| 05:21.17 | Kraps | DOOOOOOOOO EEEEEEEET |
| 05:21.22 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: By comparison, WRVU has 10,000 watts. That's after it was _dialed back_ from 14,500 because apparently in the 60's they just gave a monkey a spool of wire and told him to run it up the tower, so he did. the FCC only noticed this like 8 years ago. |
| 05:21.55 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: You generally stop hearing WRVU about the time you reach the edge of _Western Kentucky University_ which is like an _hour and something_ away |
| 05:22.00 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: 20 mile drive according to google maps |
| 05:22.15 | Dagmar | Okay that's more in line with what I expect from that power |
| 05:22.23 | Kraps | YOU COULD HAVE A WHOLE WOW STATION |
| 05:22.46 | Dagmar | Kraps: Acually with AM, if you could get people's AM radios to not be scrambled by bein near their PCs, you probably could |
| 05:23.01 | Dagmar | AM goes a lot longer at night thanks to 'skip' |
| 05:23.13 | Dagmar | WoW players aren't exactly "day people"... |
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| 05:24.14 | Kraps | you could do several 24hr days with the content that gets recorded every week |
| 05:24.30 | Dagmar | I was told that in addition to going about 50ft further up the tower than the antenna was supposed to, that there was also a good 300ft of extra wire coiled up at the top, doing nothing. |
| 05:24.43 | Kraps | AND PLAY WOW MUSIC IN BETWEEN |
| 05:24.57 | Dagmar | It would explain why we were stomping out some Christian stations no one gives a damn about in Kentucky pretty well |
| 05:25.31 | Dagmar | I gotta get off this bi-weekly schedule and go down there to claim another slot |
| 05:25.49 | Kraps | Dagmar: you're on the radio? |
| 05:26.18 | Dagmar | Kraps: Not at hte moment I'm not. I was on 91.1 WRVU for like 7-8 years before I headed out to San Fran for a bit |
| 05:26.29 | Dagmar | Can't really do a weekly radio slot with a bi-weekly work schedule |
| 05:26.34 | Kraps | DJ? |
| 05:26.38 | Dagmar | Yes. |
| 05:27.00 | Dagmar | My mom: "That sounds like drug music!" |
| 05:27.11 | Dagmar | Me: "Oh, really? Well... that's sort of the general idea." |
| 05:27.59 | Dagmar | I think I probably did the Safe Ride project PSA (cops give you a free ride home so you don't drive) more than any other DJ there ever |
| 05:28.34 | Kraps | what type of music? |
| 05:28.39 | Dagmar | o.O |
| 05:28.49 | Kraps | dude |
| 05:28.53 | Kraps | drug music? |
| 05:28.55 | Dagmar | Straight from the fill-in box on the station schedule: "Drug music" |
| 05:29.13 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 05:29.13 | Kraps | the hell does that mean? |
| 05:29.20 | Dagmar | No sense in mincing words when I'm in there playing things like Coil, Channel X, the Orb, |
| 05:29.35 | Dagmar | Kraps: Mainly it means music that sounds like you're on drugs |
| 05:29.45 | Dagmar | Music with the drugs already baked in so you don't ahve to bother with taking htem |
| 05:30.06 | Dagmar | ...because drugs are expensive and it's hard to get the kids to give 'em up |
| 05:30.24 | airtonix | State Controlled Addictions(tm) |
| 05:30.44 | Dagmar | No, I mean literally, it's hard to get the kids to give you _their_ drugs |
| 05:30.56 | Dagmar | Kids have the best drugs. Didn't you know that? |
| 05:31.00 | airtonix | i wouldn;t give you my weed either |
| 05:31.00 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: the other station ill tune to is WTUE, go look at its power |
| 05:31.40 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Yeah, more respectable 28,000 ERP. |
| 05:31.51 | Dagmar | That's a signal with some kick to it |
| 05:34.19 | Dagmar | kraps: If you remmeber tomorrow, ask me about "Sister, Sister". I have a very nice PSA from that old TV show |
| 05:34.52 | Dagmar | It's pretty cool what you can accomplish with a sample editor, an anti-drug PSA, and no moral compass to speak of. |
| 05:36.40 | Dagmar | I actually had to go mess parts of it up so that you could tell it was edited. |
| 05:36.45 | Shirik2 | I want to add to auctioneer a section during its processing phase where it says "Reticulating splines..." |
| 05:37.26 | Kraps | you totally should Shirik |
| 05:38.38 | Amarande | Shirik: I'm still trying to remember what that "reticulating splines" thing is from |
| 05:38.50 | Arrowmaster | sim city |
| 05:38.51 | Kraps | Dagmar: would it be on youtube? |
| 05:39.08 | Kraps | i miss maxis :( |
| 05:39.36 | Shirik2 | what did maxis die off or something? |
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| 05:40.05 | Amarande | they got assimilated into the Borg |
| 05:40.15 | Amarande | aka, EA |
| 05:40.51 | Shirik2 | ew |
| 05:41.42 | Dagmar | Kraps: Not if I don't wanna get sued its not |
| 05:42.09 | Kraps | heh |
| 05:58.21 | mckenziemc1 | yeah SimCity 4 iirc >< |
| 05:58.27 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 05:58.29 | Arrowmaster | sim city |
| 05:58.35 | Arrowmaster | the original |
| 05:58.42 | mckenziemc1 | ah |
| 05:58.49 | mckenziemc1 | i never played the original |
| 05:59.03 | Kraps | simcopter! |
| 05:59.18 | Arrowmaster | simtower |
| 05:59.37 | Kraps | i hated that one |
| 06:00.14 | Shirik2 | omg Arrowmaster I remember the original |
| 06:00.19 | Shirik2 | that was... heh |
| 06:00.26 | Shirik2 | I liked the videos |
| 06:00.36 | Shirik2 | except the transit guy was always pissed at me |
| 06:00.36 | kd3 | simtower the original, heh |
| 06:00.38 | kd3 | winces |
| 06:00.52 | kd3 | actually, I think I've got my simtower cd lying around somewhere |
| 06:01.36 | Arrowmaster | i think i have most of the pre simcity 3000 ones |
| 06:01.46 | Shirik2 | I never played anything after 2000 |
| 06:02.02 | Arrowmaster | i think i pirated 3000 and didnt like it |
| 06:03.38 | Kraps | Shirik2: 4 is pretty good with the expansion |
| 06:06.56 | Kraps | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/147050/lots-of-changes-coming |
| 06:07.07 | Kraps | gets out notepad |
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| 06:08.56 | Kraps | ah, its still there |
| 06:09.59 | Kraps | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/147063/free-private-servers |
| 06:15.00 | Amarande | ok, you know WoW is going to hell in a handbasket when you see that Recount and GearScore are downloaded more often than Omen. :| |
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| 06:42.28 | KarlKFI | not really. omen is onyl really useful for raids |
| 06:43.17 | KarlKFI | where as GearScore is great for evaluating pugs |
| 06:43.28 | KarlKFI | for 5mans that everyone is doing |
| 06:44.07 | KarlKFI | plus wow's default threat system is sufficient for most people |
| 06:44.21 | KarlKFI | "tell me when i need to back off" |
| 06:48.53 | bluspacecow | *plays with boobs* |
| 06:53.50 | airtonix | do-not-track has made me afraid on the intertubes |
| 06:54.00 | airtonix | i am ascared |
| 06:54.25 | airtonix | i'm not sure i can uphold my duty as a consumer anymore |
| 06:54.29 | airtonix | the fear is too great |
