| 00:01.33 | Gnarfoz | Fisker: the ticket author should probably be put down, too |
| 00:01.49 | Fisker | true |
| 00:03.50 | Corrodias | as i recall, some patch waaaaay back made it so that going up in level made items less effective |
| 00:03.52 | Kraps | thats a pretty terrible ticket all around |
| 00:03.56 | Corrodias | is that why that happened? |
| 00:04.27 | Corrodias | i think it was when they introduced "ratings" |
| 00:04.39 | Corrodias | i think that's the word |
| 00:05.12 | foxlit | You know what's even crazier? The are diminishing returns on ratings. |
| 00:05.41 | Kraps | they should both go to the terrible party being thrown by the terrible people |
| 00:05.53 | Corrodias | maybe they'll eventually just get rid of item stats entirely |
| 00:06.31 | karl_w_w | vlc has a santa hat on the cone o.O |
| 00:07.06 | Kraps | 500gb ext HD = $70; 1tb ext HD = $75 |
| 00:07.12 | Kraps | wut |
| 00:07.59 | Gnarfoz | both too expensive: woot |
| 00:08.45 | Kraps | lowest for 500gb is $55 |
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| 00:09.08 | Fisker | your mom Kraps |
| 00:09.31 | Kraps | you cant afford my mom Fisker |
| 00:09.37 | Kraps | wait what |
| 00:10.12 | Fisker | i could if i would |
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| 00:33.49 | Kraps | http://www.cracked.com/article_18911_5-ridiculous-things-you-probably-believe-about-islam.html |
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| 00:39.48 | foxlit | Is there any way to make automatic ability targeting suck less as a hunter? |
| 00:40.41 | Xyphoid | you mean accidentally pulling stuff with autoshots? |
| 00:41.00 | foxlit | Yeah |
| 00:41.19 | foxlit | It seems like should anything die while I'm mashing a button, I'll target the next pack and promptly pull it |
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| 00:48.22 | Kraps | http://www.cracked.com/article_18939_8-stupid-amazon-products-with-impressively-sarcastic-reviews.html |
| 00:48.50 | Arrowmaster | foxlit: you can disable it by messing with the action button attributes |
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| 01:05.54 | Lulia | Anyone know why the "Show Offline Guild Members" box can be disabled? |
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| 01:12.02 | nicoli_s | in case someone would/would not want to see offline guild members? |
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| 01:30.27 | foxlit | Poor night elves -- tentacles everywhere :/ |
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| 01:30.32 | bindi | LIKE JAPS |
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| 01:44.46 | Shirik | http://âââââââââºââââ¹ââ.ws |
| 01:45.41 | Thunder_Child | nice Shirik, nice |
| 01:46.41 | foxlit | why the umbrella? |
| 01:47.22 | Thunder_Child | foxlit: why not? |
| 01:47.37 | foxlit | umbrellas make happy faces sad? |
| 01:47.44 | Shirik | if you're a snowman |
| 01:47.55 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: have you done any time lapse? |
| 01:47.58 | foxlit | And sun makes snowmen happy? |
| 01:48.03 | Shirik | a little |
| 01:48.10 | Shirik | I need a new remote |
| 01:48.19 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: what did you use to stich the photos together? |
| 01:48.22 | Shirik | foxlit: If it's still cold |
| 01:48.22 | Thunder_Child | for the movie |
| 01:48.28 | Shirik | oh that time lapse |
| 01:48.35 | Shirik | I thought you meant like hour long exposures |
| 01:48.40 | Shirik | no I haven't |
| 01:48.47 | Thunder_Child | -_- |
| 01:49.31 | Thunder_Child | i did that today for about 8 hours |
| 01:49.52 | Thunder_Child | i think i am going to do that over the entire weekend next week |
| 01:55.11 | foxlit | Cataclysm has not one, but two new cave layouts. I'm impressed. |
| 01:59.59 | Shirik | ? |
| 02:00.15 | foxlit | Actually, false alarm. This is just reuse of the azuremyst furbolg cave |
| 02:02.35 | mckenziemc | which is in itself a repeat of a cave in ashenvale >< |
| 02:03.23 | cbreak | Hmm... just got "Over Nine Thousand" |
| 02:04.01 | mckenziemc | i thought worgen and trolls had unique flight forms, but they look like the old tauren / nightelf skins -- is that how it is or is my client funked up |
| 02:04.52 | foxlit | no, just a case of being too well informed |
| 02:07.34 | Shirik | cbreak: I got "Stood in the Fire!" today |
| 02:07.46 | cbreak | same here. Second try :) |
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| 02:08.19 | cbreak | strangely enough I was in the same zone with him earlier last week, he killed a few guild members |
| 02:08.31 | cbreak | but I could walk through the fire and even sit in it, without taking damage |
| 02:13.09 | Shirik | that happened to me too |
| 02:13.12 | Shirik | maybe something was broken last week |
| 02:13.15 | Shirik | and they fixed it this week |
| 02:18.05 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sky&oldid=403968323 |
| 02:19.05 | airtonix | the sky is falling! |
| 02:19.18 | Lulia1 | nicoli_s: No, what I mean is it won't let me check or uncheck it, the checkbox for "Show Offline Guild Members" is disabled, for no apparent reason |
| 02:25.57 | Lulia | Heh, apparently it was EPGP |
| 02:26.22 | Lulia | Gotta love when an AddOn intrudes on the default UI without offering you an option to disable that specific "feature" |
| 02:31.11 | foxlit | Meh, there's presumably a reason. |
| 02:31.27 | foxlit | Though it should've just hidden that checkbox. |
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| 02:34.04 | Mr_Rabies | xsparky finally seems to hit it's end-of-life with guild rep, it doesn't seem to know how to handle it |
| 02:34.39 | Mr_Rabies | is there another good xp bar addon that i can use instead? :o |
| 02:37.22 | Mr_Rabies | or maybe the addon authors are IN THIS VERY CHANNEL |
| 02:37.26 | Mr_Rabies | dundunnnnnn |
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| 02:39.31 | mckenziemc1 | ~seen Mr_Rabies |
| 02:39.34 | purl | mr_rabies <~Mr_Rabies@gort.linode.rosspaffett.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 2m 8s ago, saying: 'dundunnnnnn'. |
| 02:39.57 | Mr_Rabies | what |
| 02:40.00 | Mr_Rabies | D: |
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| 02:59.27 | Lulia | lol |
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| 03:09.05 | Thunder_Child | http://googleblackchristmas.com/ lol, (NSFW) |
| 03:14.41 | Mr_Rabies | man, can't i just generate a link to my result |
| 03:14.49 | Mr_Rabies | took me forever to get an awesome one |
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| 03:24.30 | Kraps | "The connection to the chat server is lost. Lobby not found!" |
| 03:24.37 | Kraps | game over? |
| 03:24.57 | Thunder_Child | LoL? |
| 03:25.20 | Kraps | way to be melodramatic |
| 03:25.45 | Thunder_Child | i mean 'League of Legends' |
| 03:25.54 | Kraps | not you |
| 03:26.03 | Thunder_Child | oh |
| 03:26.07 | Kraps | thats a great link btw |
| 03:26.13 | Thunder_Child | goes back into his corner |
| 03:26.27 | Kraps | too bad theres only 2 people i can use it on |
| 03:32.32 | foxlit | Hearthstone: "Returns you to Stagecoach crash site" |
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| 03:37.30 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: whats interesting on steam? |
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| 03:37.31 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: i picked up Dead Rising2, Darksiders, and ME2 |
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| 03:38.27 | Dagmar | ffs |
| 03:38.35 | Dagmar | hire-a-bitch ads on Wowi |
| 03:38.41 | Dagmar | *sigh* |
| 03:38.45 | Kraps | woot |
| 03:38.59 | Kraps | ima hire hire a bitch |
| 03:39.32 | Dagmar | I find it's weak and timid nature to be wholly contemptable |
| 03:39.54 | Mr_Rabies | is hire-a-bitch some type of worgen escort service |
| 03:39.57 | Dagmar | If you're gonna run an "escort service", no need to mince words... Call them "hookers" |
| 03:40.27 | Dagmar | Mr_Rabies: No, it's that "Play With Me" service where in theory guys are desperate enough to *pay* women to play video games with them over webcams |
| 03:40.31 | Dagmar | They're hookers. |
| 03:40.43 | Mr_Rabies | what |
| 03:40.56 | Mr_Rabies | that is the most depressing thing ever and i follow unsmith on twitter |
| 03:40.57 | Dagmar | In what way was I unclear? |
| 03:41.37 | Mr_Rabies | http://twitter.com/#!/unsmith |
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| 03:42.39 | Kraps | Dagmar: idk, if you're not getting sexed is it still prostitution? |
| 03:42.57 | Thunder_Child | yes, you are just bad at it |
| 03:43.03 | Dagmar | lol |
| 03:43.33 | Dagmar | Oddly, I dont' have a problem with escort services and prostitution (when it's quality) |
| 03:43.41 | Kraps | not all escort services provide sex |
| 03:43.42 | Dagmar | I have a problem with that they're acting like their service _isn't_ that. |
| 03:43.51 | Dagmar | Kraps: No, just the ones with phone numbers. |
| 03:44.51 | Dagmar | If you think I'm kidding about the service, I got the ad to come up again http://playwithme.com/go/p119.submad_11843_1_3230 |
| 03:45.02 | Dagmar | That is an escort service. |
| 03:45.23 | Dagmar | You may even recognize one of the girls from her other works. |
| 03:45.31 | Kraps | http://playwithme.com/go/p119.submad_11843_1_3230 is blocked because it is currently categorized as: Pornography |
| 03:45.47 | Dagmar | rofl |
| 03:46.07 | Kraps | :) |
| 03:46.08 | Dagmar | That webfilter you got there is STRICT |
| 03:46.44 | Thunder_Child | i thought the add said play with hotties? |
| 03:46.46 | Kraps | its a pretty good one though |
| 03:47.06 | Thunder_Child | ad* |
| 03:48.06 | Thunder_Child | "The materials that are available within this site may include graphic visual depictions and descriptions of nudity and sexual activity [...]" |
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| 03:48.50 | Kraps | THINK OF THE CHILDREN |
| 03:48.53 | Thunder_Child | and here i thought it was the electronic type of playing |
| 03:49.00 | Dagmar | In theory it is |
| 03:49.09 | Dagmar | Slashdot picked up on that site like six months ago |
| 03:49.15 | Dagmar | I'm suprised they're still shilling |
| 03:50.00 | Dagmar | Still... It's not goldfarming so it's got that going for it. |
| 03:50.01 | Dagmar | :) |
| 03:50.02 | Thunder_Child | looks like i need to take a trip to SF then |
| 03:50.06 | fictive | Hey guys :) anyone up for a lua question? |
| 03:50.15 | Thunder_Child | ~asktoask |
| 03:50.15 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 03:50.22 | Dagmar | Thunder_Child: Huh? I don't understand the connection |
| 03:50.25 | Kraps | fictive: no |
| 03:50.30 | fictive | hehe, sometimes it helps to prepare people ;) |
| 03:50.38 | Thunder_Child | Dagmar: they are located in sunnyvale |
| 03:50.50 | Dagmar | Oh, well that's a bit outside the SF proper |
| 03:51.40 | Dagmar | If I'm heading to SF I'll just pop in on one of my friends there who runs Zivity. :) |
| 03:52.34 | fictive | I've made a timer now that updates ever second. I have a table that is going to contain functions, so that my addon can add functions to the timer. On each tick I want the timer to call every function added to the timer. According to http://bit.ly/eeLgfC it should just be a matter of using _G[valueOfFunctionInTable](), but wow throws me errors in heaps and buckets, anyone know why? |
| 03:53.19 | fictive | in other words, I want to dynamically call functions |
| 03:53.43 | Dagmar | To what end? There may be an easier way to do what you're trying to do |
| 03:54.04 | Dagmar | I figure we might as well ask that question while things are still early |
| 03:54.25 | fictive | well I'm on the same quest I was last night, figuring out when Starsurge is available for casting |
| 03:54.36 | fictive | and we decided a timer was really the only way to do this |
| 03:54.50 | fictive | however, I thought I'd make the timer more generic so that it can be used for other things as well |
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| 03:56.56 | Dagmar | Hm... Well, at least from looking at http://www.wowpedia.org/API_loadstring I can say that it's not a function Blizzard culled out |
| 03:56.59 | Dagmar | That's good. |
| 03:57.15 | Dagmar | Might be helpful to see one of the errors. |
| 03:57.36 | Dagmar | Cuz yah, from what your'e saying, what you're trying to do is pretty straightforward |
| 03:58.16 | Dagmar | I'm bookmarking that page because I was looking for a way to generate function refs last week and didn't find it |
| 03:59.33 | fictive | "CooldownTimer.lua:17: attempt to call field '?' (a nil value)" |
| 03:59.52 | fictive | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/144240-1xvb |
| 03:59.56 | fictive | the code |
| 04:00.49 | mckenziemc | haven't checked the link yet but that error means something evaluated to someTable[nilVariable].someField |
| 04:01.03 | Shirik | fictive |
| 04:01.08 | Shirik | _G[nameOfFunction]() |
| 04:01.09 | Shirik | works fine |
| 04:01.24 | Shirik | if you don't think it does, you're doing something wrong |
| 04:01.33 | fictive | hmm |
| 04:02.01 | fictive | I have verified that the table contains the function |
| 04:02.10 | [1]Mischa | _G doesn't though. |
| 04:02.11 | mckenziemc | shirik, that's what he's doing... |
| 04:02.21 | mckenziemc | Mischa: depends on how he set it up |
| 04:02.34 | fictive | he knows, he's telling me I'm doing something wrong, hehe (well obviously :p) |
| 04:02.35 | mckenziemc | ie. f the table just contains the names |
| 04:02.42 | Shirik | I agree |
| 04:02.49 | Shirik | _G does not contain the function you are asking for |
| 04:03.01 | fictive | ah.. |
| 04:03.26 | fictive | I'm calling it like this "CooldownTimer:AddFunction(test)" where test = function() print("something") end |
| 04:03.37 | Lulia | Oh man, loadstring is probably what I need to do my power bars lua text thing |
| 04:03.38 | Lulia | hmm |
| 04:04.06 | Dagmar | I don't see loadstring in the pastey |
| 04:04.08 | Shirik | ok hold up |
| 04:04.10 | Shirik | you can't do that |
| 04:04.19 | airtonix | <3 ouf tagstrings |
| 04:04.46 | Shirik | If test is your function |
| 04:04.49 | Shirik | then just do test() |
| 04:04.55 | mckenziemc | Dagmar: the table has a list of function names, the actual functions are already in _G |
| 04:05.03 | Shirik | like |
| 04:05.06 | Shirik | ok |
| 04:05.07 | Dagmar | Perhaps not when he's calling them |
| 04:05.07 | mckenziemc | value() |
| 04:05.12 | Shirik | You aren't storing the names of the function |
| 04:05.14 | Dagmar | The pastey looks sane to me |
| 04:05.15 | Shirik | you're storing the actual functions |
| 04:05.17 | Shirik | so call them |
| 04:05.21 | Shirik | just value() |
| 04:05.21 | mckenziemc | Dagmar: right |
| 04:05.35 | fictive | eyh! thanks, Shirik! |
| 04:05.39 | fictive | that actually works =D |
| 04:05.44 | [1]Mischa | Heh. |
| 04:06.24 | airtonix | [1]Mischa, id please |
| 04:06.26 | mckenziemc | and i messed up earlier, i said the key had to be nil, but taht'll happen as long as there's no associated value |
| 04:08.30 | Shirik | eh? |
| 04:08.32 | Shirik | For the '?' error |
| 04:08.33 | Shirik | ? |
| 04:08.36 | fictive | alright, I have my generic timer, awesome |
| 04:08.42 | Shirik | that happens for more than just nil |
| 04:09.02 | [1]Mischa | might also suggest function :AddFunction(func, name) CooldownTimer[name] = func end so you don't start off with memory issues |
| 04:09.15 | [1]Mischa | airtonix: ? |
| 04:09.21 | Dagmar | I'm kinda suprised there's not one of those already in a lib someplace |
| 04:11.19 | fictive | heh, yeah |
| 04:11.35 | fictive | that's why I wanted to create one |
| 04:12.39 | mckenziemc | AceTimer-3.0 |
| 04:13.07 | mckenziemc | since your code is just calling all the functions one a second |
| 04:13.19 | mckenziemc | but i don't know what you plan to do with them |
| 04:13.26 | mckenziemc | once a second* |
| 04:15.03 | fictive | well we established last night that SPELL_UPDATE_COOLDOWN and SPELL_UPDATE_USABLE doesn't get called when a cooldown is finished |
| 04:15.27 | fictive | so there was really no event I could subscribe to that would tell me that without a timer that refreshes and asks |
| 04:15.45 | Shirik | [1]Mischa: What are you talking about? |
| 04:15.59 | fictive | ask with "GetSpellCooldown("Starsurge")" |
| 04:16.30 | Shirik | fictive: Do what you did, that is the best solution |
| 04:16.40 | Shirik | with the correction that you've been given, of course |
| 04:16.58 | Shirik | fyi, dealing with _G is generally a sign that something is being done wrong |
| 04:17.04 | Shirik | well, dynamically dealing with it |
| 04:17.24 | fictive | alright, a friend of mine working on his first addon came to the same conclusion that _G was really messy |
| 04:18.05 | fictive | I've corrected it to check if it actually is a function, and then to call that function if it is |
| 04:18.17 | fictive | so, right now it works |
| 04:18.43 | Mischanix | I mean putting the functions into the addon namespace under a name so we don't continuously add functions to _G |
| 04:18.57 | Lulia | Can I use :Click through _G on a frame whose name I have but I don't know the actual containing variable? |
| 04:20.17 | mckenziemc | pretty much have to, although you can cache it if you'll be doing it multiple times |
| 04:20.47 | fictive | !api casting |
| 04:20.47 | lua_bot | Found 2 possible results for 'casting': UnitCastingInfo, SpellStopCasting |
| 04:20.53 | mckenziemc | and know that it won't change values (this usually won't be a problem though) |
| 04:24.16 | fictive | are tables in lua 1-indexed? |
| 04:24.26 | Lulia | they're whatever indexed you want |
| 04:24.35 | Lulia | Most people start them at 1 |
| 04:24.45 | Lulia | But you can start them at 0 if you want |
| 04:24.59 | Therzok__ | Did I come here last night? :/ |
| 04:25.09 | Lulia | Were you drunk? |
| 04:25.12 | Computerpunk | ^ |
| 04:25.56 | Computerpunk | Hope not. |
| 04:26.17 | Lulia | So, loadstring effectively wraps the string in a func(...) end ? |
| 04:27.03 | mckenziemc | yes |
| 04:27.27 | Lulia | I'm so happy someone brought that up tonight |
| 04:27.31 | Lulia | solves one of my biggest dilemmas |
| 04:27.54 | mckenziemc | and accordingly, when a file runs it gets the same treatment |
| 04:28.11 | Mischanix | ^ this |
| 04:28.37 | mckenziemc | so you can 'return' early if you don't want to load, and WoW passes addonName, addonTable inside ... |
| 04:28.46 | Lulia | yeah, mckenzie, I already knew that, and I was pretty sure about the loadstring, I was just thinking aloud more than anything :P |
| 04:31.18 | Lulia | I'm so excited about learning it that I want to add the code to my AddOn right now. But I told myself I'd go through and streamline my AddOn first |
| 04:31.19 | Lulia | ... |
| 04:31.58 | Mischanix | See, I'm in the middle of documenting a horrid mess of a few thousand lines. |
| 04:32.04 | Mischanix | For myself, mostly. |
| 04:32.23 | Computerpunk | So, basically, what's all this about loadstring? |
| 04:32.35 | Mischanix | Not sure how long it will take for the data structures and functions to get cleaned up. But we'll see. |
| 04:34.06 | Computerpunk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zw3FTiWRXF8 |
| 04:34.07 | fictive | hmm |
| 04:34.16 | Computerpunk | Dunno if SFW, it's Tool - Sober. |
| 04:35.16 | fictive | I don't know how lua nil works, but doing UnitCastingInfo("player")[1] tells me I'm trying to access nil, should my variable just be set to nil like i.e. Java ? ref: http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/UnitCastingInfo |
| 04:35.28 | fictive | shouldn't* |
| 04:35.46 | Mischanix | select(1,UnitCastingInfo("player")) or {UnitCastingInfo("player")}[1] |
| 04:36.16 | Mischanix | Second is finicky. |
| 04:36.48 | Mischanix | Also for the first return you can just do UnitCastingInfo("player") |
| 04:37.26 | Computerpunk | fictive, there's a difference between lists and tables. |
| 04:37.47 | fictive | aha |
| 04:37.52 | Computerpunk | Function returns are lists of elements, and you have select which is magic. |
| 04:38.10 | fictive | aaah, I get it now |
| 04:38.18 | Computerpunk | Or basically, you can try doing a, b, c = func() or _, _, c = func() depending on your needs. |
| 04:38.19 | fictive | thanks )= |
| 04:38.21 | fictive | =) * |
| 04:38.34 | Computerpunk | What Mischanix did there was building an array (basically a table) with the list. |
| 04:38.39 | Computerpunk | My pleasure. |
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| 04:39.16 | Computerpunk | Lol, I'm pretty good for my hangover. |
| 04:39.58 | Cide | www.lua.org/pil |
| 04:40.26 | Cide | read it |
| 04:40.52 | Mischanix | Oh, and {UnitCastingInfo()}[1] is not a good idea. Just giving an example :P |
| 04:41.28 | Computerpunk | Same with using select. |
| 04:41.32 | Computerpunk | You're wasting some CPU. |
| 04:41.41 | Cide | select(1, ...) is identical to ... |
| 04:42.01 | Cide | it's the whole list in both cases |
| 04:42.07 | Mischanix | Well I'm referring to the function returns nil if the unit isn't casting |
| 04:43.27 | Lulia | Hey Cide |
| 04:43.52 | Computerpunk | So, what what that whole thing with loadstring. |
| 04:44.15 | Lulia | I dunno what fictive was using it for, but I got excited because it solves a problem I'd been pondering for awhile. |
| 04:44.22 | Cide | which is what? |
| 04:44.38 | Lulia | In Power Bars, I'm going to allow users to alter how their power bar text is displayed via a "lua text" line |
| 04:44.39 | Computerpunk | Lulia, I'm still waiting for an answer. XD |
| 04:44.48 | Lulia | I was typing it out, patience |
| 04:44.49 | Lulia | :P |
| 04:45.06 | Lulia | The next best solution I had was parsing the entire line, piece by piece in a large function |
| 04:45.15 | Mischanix | .... >.> |
| 04:45.15 | Lulia | Which was a daunting task to say the least |
| 04:45.15 | Computerpunk | It's basically like running a /script, ;o |
| 04:45.55 | Lulia | Now I can just take a line of text from them in an edit box, prepend "return " to it |
| 04:46.00 | Lulia | And toss it into loadstring |
| 04:46.07 | Cide | naturally |
| 04:46.08 | Lulia | Check for errors |
| 04:46.14 | Lulia | And then run it |
| 04:46.23 | Lulia | Which is so much simpler |
| 04:46.24 | Computerpunk | You'd have to load it at start, and have the strings saved. |
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| 04:48.22 | Mischanix | "\Modules\gui.lua:95: attempt to index field 'TreeGroup' (a nil value)" -- Sigh, what have you done... |
| 04:49.35 | Lulia | But before I add that in, I want to try and make my script more efficient. Right now I have 4669 lines of code, and I could probably reduce it by as much as third, maybe even half. At least, that's generally my experience, that I do things in the most inefficient way possible :P |
| 04:50.13 | Mischanix | Where .TreeGroup = AceGUI.Create("TSMTreeGroup") <-- What the hell. |
| 04:50.25 | Mischanix | : * |
| 04:50.36 | Cide | Mischanix, do you know lua well? |
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| 04:51.37 | Mischanix | I suppose. I'm just miffed at this, since I can't discern why AceGUI wouldn't have a custom widget loaded when I know it should.. |
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| 04:56.37 | Lulia | Hmm, all the Blizz UI elements are loaded before the AddOns, yes? |
| 04:57.04 | Mischanix | They're Load on demand so the frames may be nil until a certain event fires |
| 04:57.57 | Mischanix | Oh, maybe because I forgot to update the part of the project that defined the widgets. Whoop. |
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| 05:18.25 | mckenziemc | lulia: you can only count on that if you put them as OptionalDeps in your .toc |
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| 05:19.29 | Lulia | I'm just doing the stuff after P_E_W |
| 05:20.45 | zid` | anyone know the details behind guild reputation? |
| 05:20.50 | zid` | I seem to be stuck at 500/6000 |
| 05:20.53 | zid` | can't gain any more |
| 05:21.04 | Lulia | You cap after X amount in a week |
| 05:21.11 | zid` | where X is? |
| 05:21.21 | Lulia | dunno, but it will reset on Tuesday |
| 05:21.24 | zid` | I'm a day older in this guild, and an officer, and the trial who joined the day after is honored |
| 05:21.29 | airtonix | X is on my screen |
| 05:21.29 | zid` | it's past reset already |
| 05:21.31 | zid` | nothing changed |
| 05:21.49 | zid` | I had 500/6000 on monday, now it's friday and still have it |
| 05:22.57 | Computerpunk | Lulia, well, thought if OOP could help you out? |
| 05:23.42 | Iriel | The first cap hits at 500 |
| 05:24.18 | Lulia | Computerpunk: What? |
| 05:24.34 | Computerpunk | lua_bot, ever thought if OOP could trim your code down? |
| 05:24.39 | zid` | There's really no explanation for why the guy on a trial who has been in the guild for less time, at a lower rank, has more exp :/ |
| 05:24.44 | zid` | rep* |
| 05:25.01 | Iriel | Maybe he did more quests |
| 05:25.14 | Lulia | Computerpunk, dunno, dunno how much I'm following those principles and how much I'm not |
| 05:26.01 | zid` | Iriel: I'm not gaining rep at all, and no he didn't |
| 05:26.37 | zid` | I have 3.3 million exp gained, he has 2.6 million, i've been doing quests every day to see when my rep unlocks again |
| 05:26.41 | Lulia | You apparently get more rep if you contribute to guild xp |
| 05:26.48 | Lulia | Which means the early worms get a bit more |
| 05:26.56 | zid` | I get the exp, but no rep |
| 05:26.57 | Lulia | Because guild xp will usually cap at some point in the day |
| 05:27.10 | zid` | we've capped it all of once so far :P |
| 05:27.19 | zid` | 2% today |
| 05:27.25 | zid` | all of which was me |
| 05:27.30 | Lulia | Don't know what to tell you then, zid, should probably be filing a ticket with a GM |
| 05:27.35 | Lulia | Or perusing the bug forums |
| 05:27.35 | zid` | I guess |
| 05:28.43 | Lulia | Computerpunk: Right now I'm just going through the code chunk by chunk and seeing if anything I know currently can make it better |
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| 05:29.10 | Lulia | I made a post in the WoWI forums, but I don't expect a response to it ;) |
| 05:29.12 | Computerpunk | Also look for repeating code. |
| 05:29.18 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0Rki6bxs9g |
| 05:29.29 | Lulia | That's one of the few things I know to look for |
| 05:29.47 | Lulia | Honestly, I'm limited because, for the most part, the code I have is all I've known what to do |
| 05:29.51 | zid` | yea, there's a blue post about it |
| 05:30.26 | Lulia | I really need a set of different, more experienced eyes to look at it and then point me to where I can learn what I need to to make it better. But no one really wants to read 4.7k lines of code :P |
| 05:30.44 | zid` | Lulia: what addon? |
| 05:30.49 | mckenziemc | lulia: don't you still get the same guild rep even if the guild's xp is capped, as long as you haven't reached your rep cap? |
| 05:31.01 | zid` | If anyone should still feel that they are not getting their reputation correctly, please raise an in-game petition so that one of our Support Representatives can take a further look. |
| 05:31.05 | zid` | dones, let's wait a week |
| 05:31.20 | Lulia | mckenziemc: Not sure exactly, I just know my guild leader was complaining that people who logged on earlier got more rep |
| 05:31.26 | Lulia | zid: Power Bars |
| 05:31.35 | Computerpunk | is the curse.com version uptodate? |
| 05:31.36 | zid` | that needs 4.7k lines of code? O_o |
| 05:31.49 | Lulia | Do you even use it? :P |
| 05:31.56 | zid` | I've written operating systems in far less :P |
| 05:32.25 | Computerpunk | Lulia, you really should start using OOP for it. |
| 05:32.26 | Lulia | Well, Computerpunk, I technically just made changes so no version is quite up-to-date online. Hmm |
| 05:32.36 | mckenziemc | an operatinng system for what -- a toaster? |
| 05:32.37 | Computerpunk | Nevermind. |
| 05:32.38 | zid` | Your coding style could use some work |
| 05:32.42 | Computerpunk | ^ |
| 05:32.47 | Computerpunk | And start using SVNs. |
| 05:32.51 | zid` | git* |
| 05:32.56 | Computerpunk | Repos* |
| 05:32.59 | mckenziemc | mercurial* |
| 05:33.03 | Mischanix | Oh shi-- |
| 05:33.05 | Computerpunk | By SVNs I meant version control. |
| 05:33.07 | zid` | also, does lua have 'switch' |
| 05:33.14 | mckenziemc | no |
| 05:33.15 | Computerpunk | It doesn't. |
| 05:33.18 | zid` | I don't know lua for shiat, does it show? :P |
| 05:33.22 | Lulia | The SVN was way too much trouble, I was learning how to use it on WoWI and then I got some error on WoWI that broke it so I stopped |
| 05:33.27 | Lulia | I do manual version control |
| 05:33.35 | Computerpunk | Pft. |
| 05:33.42 | Computerpunk | l2p |
| 05:33.48 | zid` | Lulia: manual version control doesn't let you maintain two branches of code, merge them, then bisect a bug :) |
| 05:33.48 | Lulia | And I'm well aware that my coding style could use work |
| 05:34.02 | zid` | PowerBars:doEclipseFrames makes me want to cry |
| 05:34.05 | Computerpunk | Check out mine, imo, mine is perfectly clean. :D |
| 05:34.14 | Lulia | Sure it does, I can still do merge with a separate program |
| 05:34.20 | zid` | why bother? |
| 05:34.24 | mckenziemc | lulia: i wish i could help you but i tend to want to fix things myself instead of doing a good job of actually teaching |
| 05:34.25 | fictive | !api global cooldown |
| 05:34.26 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'global cooldown'. |
| 05:34.29 | fictive | !api global_cooldown |
| 05:34.30 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'global_cooldown'. |
| 05:34.30 | Computerpunk | Lulia, first of all, document stuff. |
| 05:34.30 | Lulia | Well, I generally dont need to merge in the first place |
| 05:34.33 | Computerpunk | local EclipsePow = UnitPower("Player", 8); |
| 05:34.35 | Lulia | I just need backups |
| 05:34.36 | Computerpunk | SPELL_POWER_ECLIPSE? |
| 05:34.37 | Computerpunk | :p |
| 05:34.51 | Lulia | Which are easy enough to make |
| 05:35.05 | mckenziemc | anyone know of a current, easy-to-get-started program for remote pair programming? |
| 05:35.21 | Computerpunk | Lulia, so, like this: at the beginning, you document all your number variables. |
| 05:35.24 | zid` | Lulia: can I sell you some linebreaks? |
| 05:35.29 | Lulia | Computerpunk: By document you mean comment everything? :P |
| 05:35.33 | Computerpunk | no. |
| 05:35.38 | Computerpunk | Bar.Frame:SetSize(Frame[3].Width, Frame[3].Height); |
| 05:35.40 | Computerpunk | Frame[3] |
| 05:35.41 | Lulia | I use plenty of line breaks |
| 05:35.42 | Computerpunk | What is it? |
| 05:35.57 | Computerpunk | At the beginning, do local VARIABLE_NAME_HERE = 3 |
| 05:36.02 | Computerpunk | then, you have clean code |
| 05:36.09 | Computerpunk | Frame[FRAME_NAME].Width |
| 05:36.12 | zid` | Lulia: only blank lines I can see are between end and the start of the next function declaration |
| 05:36.13 | mckenziemc | ah, self-documenting variable names :) |
| 05:36.14 | Computerpunk | Although, it could use lots of work. |
| 05:36.28 | fictive | CONSTANT_VARIABLE_NAME :D |
| 05:36.36 | Lulia | I don't tend to pad with blank lines, no |
| 05:36.42 | Computerpunk | mckenziemc, you either do it without any hardcoding, or you document the hardcode. |
| 05:36.51 | Computerpunk | Lulia, helps alot when skimming through text for errors. |
| 05:36.53 | Lulia | But I do use line breaks, otherwise all the code that could be on one line would be :P |
| 05:36.57 | zid` | The local .. / blah / local .. / blah / local .. stuff is REALLY annoying, btw |
| 05:37.18 | Computerpunk | SpellIds are bad to use too. |
| 05:37.31 | mckenziemc | computerpunk: that was wrt 'Frame[3]' |
| 05:37.33 | Computerpunk | Especially, since you don't have any security code that spell even exists. |
| 05:37.44 | Computerpunk | mckenziemc, [3] is hardcode. |
| 05:38.13 | Computerpunk | Basically, using a general system would be calling same functions that you would inherit from same parent, by using pairs/ipairs. |
| 05:38.15 | Lulia | Computerpunk: In the specific case you mention, that number's representation changes depending on class, which is why I don't have a variable name for it |
| 05:38.17 | mckenziemc | i wouldn't use a constant set to 3, i would use a self-documenting variable name |
| 05:38.22 | mckenziemc | but it depends on the context |
| 05:38.36 | Computerpunk | Lulia, then local PALADIN = 3 |
| 05:38.38 | Computerpunk | Frame[PALADIN] |
| 05:38.44 | Computerpunk | looks way better and you know where to look. |
| 05:38.44 | Mischanix | Lulia, you just made me happy about the code I'm going through. Thank you. |
| 05:38.49 | Lulia | For instance, with Balance druids, the third frame, for purposes of referencing in an index, is the bar frame. However, for a DK, it would be the first Rune's frame |
| 05:38.53 | Mischanix | Because now I know it could be much, much worse... |
| 05:39.00 | Lulia | Mischanix :P |
| 05:39.06 | zid` | http://codepad.org/BCFa8mrB THat's what it looks like very slightly cleaned up |
| 05:39.13 | zid` | with logical blocks seperated |
| 05:39.24 | zid` | it needs code changes, I can't make those from a glance though |
| 05:39.36 | Computerpunk | I still remember how fucked up I was when I wrote SlashList. |
| 05:39.38 | Computerpunk | !addon slashlist |
| 05:39.40 | lua_bot | Found 0 addon results for 'slashlist': http://is.gd/jlRaq |
| 05:39.40 | Lulia | Well, I'm not looking for people to make chanegs for me |
| 05:39.55 | zid` | I didn't make any |
| 05:39.57 | Computerpunk | http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/slashlist/ |
| 05:40.04 | Lulia | I'm looking for advice on where to make changes, and pointers to where I can read up on relevant info that will teach me what I need to know to make the changes |
| 05:40.10 | Computerpunk | And I find that overbloated. |
| 05:40.15 | Kraps | the Thor trailer is badass |
| 05:40.15 | zid` | Lulia: kernel.org :) |
| 05:40.30 | Computerpunk | For some reason, when I gathered data, I had double elements. |
| 05:40.43 | Computerpunk | Lulia, I'm going to kill you. |
| 05:40.46 | Computerpunk | Where are your upvalues? |
| 05:41.10 | zid` | First thing I'd do is give symbolic names to the Frame array values |
| 05:41.15 | Lulia | Depends on what you're referrign to |
| 05:41.23 | Lulia | I already explained why I can't give the symbolic names :( |
| 05:41.36 | Lulia | Frame 3 for a Balance Druid is the Bar frame, but for a DK it's the first Rune's frame |
| 05:41.44 | Lulia | For a Holy Paladin it's HPW 1's frame |
| 05:41.48 | Lulia | :-/ |
| 05:41.54 | zid` | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:42.01 | zid` | local ClassFrame = blah() |
| 05:42.23 | zid` | ClassFrame then becomes functionally equivalent to Frame[3] |
| 05:42.37 | Lulia | That doesn't feel anymore symolic, Bar.Frame[CLASS_FRAME1] doesn't say anymore than 3 |
| 05:42.45 | Computerpunk | UPVALUES. |
| 05:42.47 | zid` | Better than 'frame' and '3' |
| 05:42.56 | Computerpunk | UP-VA-LUES. |
| 05:43.00 | zid` | I don't know what *either* of those two things mean |
| 05:43.15 | Computerpunk | print(type(Frame)) -- table |
| 05:43.15 | Mischanix | is enjoying this. |
| 05:43.19 | Computerpunk | print(type(3)) -- number |
| 05:43.20 | Lulia | Already have refferences to CurrFrame :P |
| 05:43.21 | Computerpunk | kk |
| 05:43.21 | Computerpunk | ty |
| 05:43.28 | Lulia | I think that might be what you're looking for ;) |
| 05:43.30 | Computerpunk | Lulia, I'm telling you, upvalues! |
| 05:43.57 | Lulia | I use upvalues in my code, hence why I'm trying to figure out to which section of code you're referring :P |
| 05:43.59 | zid` | If I had written doEclipseFrames it would have been about 5 functions |
| 05:44.07 | zid` | and in its own file |
| 05:44.11 | zid` | with its supporting functions |
| 05:44.22 | Computerpunk | I don't see an upvalue to InCombatLockdown |
| 05:44.39 | Computerpunk | Every Blizz function you call should have its upvalue in the code. |
| 05:44.44 | Computerpunk | Speeds up the whole thing alot. |
| 05:44.51 | zid` | Computerpunk: Enlighten me, what's an upvalue? |
| 05:45.02 | Computerpunk | local InCombatLockdown = InCombatLockdown |
| 05:45.11 | zid` | That for performance? |
| 05:45.14 | Computerpunk | Yep. |
| 05:45.33 | zid` | lua needs an optimizing compiler obviously :P |
| 05:45.34 | Lulia | InCombatLockdown is something that has to be checked at the time though |
| 05:45.58 | Computerpunk | Lulia, I didn't say local a = InCombatLockdown() |
| 05:46.08 | Computerpunk | I said local InCombatLockdown = InCombatLockdown |
| 05:46.20 | zid` | Lulia: I would make PB_warrrior.lua PB_shared.lua PB_warlock.lua PB_paladin.lua, etc |
| 05:46.22 | Lulia | You want me to set the function to a local |
| 05:46.28 | Lulia | It still has to do the call |
| 05:46.29 | zid` | rather than having a 60kB blob of shit |
| 05:46.30 | Computerpunk | which means you're declaring a local variable which has the same purpose as the global InCombatLockdown. |
| 05:46.37 | Computerpunk | Lulia, it still does it, but it's way faster. |
| 05:46.54 | Lulia | zid: I considered that, and I may still do it, it's definitely a step up in organization |
| 05:48.06 | zid` | aha, found one |
| 05:48.06 | Lulia | It was my understanding that the reason Blizz functions were considered slow was because they had to make a call to code written in C, so I don't understand how simply changing the reference will speed it up, isn't the call still rooted in C code? |
| 05:48.10 | mckenziemc | which types of revision control does wowi support? |
| 05:48.15 | zid` | Lulia: Got a direct coding style change that can make the code smaller |
| 05:48.29 | Computerpunk | lua> x = os.clock() for i=1,300 do print("a") end print(os.clock()-x); local a = print; x = os.clock() for i=1,300 do a("a") end print(os.clock()-x); |
| 05:48.30 | lua_bot | Computerpunk: a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, ... (result truncated) |
| 05:48.34 | Computerpunk | ffs |
| 05:48.46 | Mischanix | lollll |
| 05:48.47 | Computerpunk | Didn't choose the correct function |
| 05:49.17 | zid` | actually maybe not smaller, but certainly better |
| 05:49.20 | zid` | Lulia: Wanna hear it? |
| 05:49.27 | Computerpunk | lua> x = os.clock() for i=1,300 do math.abs(-3) end print(os.clock()-x); local a = math.abs; x = os.clock() for i=1,300 do a(-3) end print(os.clock()-x); |
| 05:49.27 | lua_bot | Computerpunk: 0, 0 |
| 05:49.47 | Lulia | zid: I'd prefer to know where I can read up on the stylistic difference so when I look at the code I'll know and see it myself. :) |
| 05:49.51 | zid` | PBInfo.lua -> PowerBars:ChangePowDK is a giant if statement, invert the if statement and un-indent the whole function by one level |
| 05:50.05 | zid` | instead of if(blah) giant_function |
| 05:50.11 | zid` | if(!blah) end; function; |
| 05:50.19 | zid` | everything in 'function' can drop a level of nesting |
| 05:50.27 | mckenziemc | local apiFunc = apiFunc; function Addon:SomeFunc() --[[do stuff]]; apiFunc end; <-- that will run faster than it would if you left the local out, because lua takes longer to find apiFunc in the global table than it does to find it in the locals |
| 05:50.59 | Mischanix | lua> x=os.clock() for i=1,30000 do math.abs(-3) end print(os.clock()-x); local a = math.abs; x=os.clock() for i=1,30000 do a(-3) end print(os.clock()-x) |
| 05:50.59 | lua_bot | Mischanix: 0.01, 0 |
| 05:51.03 | Computerpunk | Lulia, I've done it for 3 million calls. |
| 05:51.06 | mckenziemc | woops, that was supposed to end with 'apiFunc() end' |
| 05:51.06 | Computerpunk | 0.406 |
| 05:51.06 | Computerpunk | 0.312 |
| 05:51.35 | Computerpunk | 30 million: 4.125, 3.078 |
| 05:51.50 | Computerpunk | So, performance is indeed improved when using local references to globals. |
| 05:52.14 | Mischanix | Is that because local variables aren't garbage collected? |
| 05:52.17 | Lulia | mckenziemc's explanation made more sense :P |
| 05:52.38 | Lulia | I was looking for an understanding of why, as opposed to simply being told and accepting as truth ;) |
| 05:52.46 | Mischanix | Oh, or the table thing. |
| 05:52.49 | zid` | heh, just got an invite to an arena team |
| 05:52.54 | Computerpunk | Mischanix, that's the point. |
| 05:53.11 | Lulia | zid: I didn't follow that, all it does it change the position of where the code is |
| 05:53.17 | mckenziemc | yeah, table thing. without the local, your function will grab _G then search through it, every time your func is called |
| 05:53.19 | zid` | Lulia: making it cleaner |
| 05:53.20 | zid` | nesting is BAD |
| 05:53.24 | zid` | makes the code hard to follow |
| 05:53.27 | Mischanix | so you get jmp eax instead of psh eax jmp eax |
| 05:53.31 | Lulia | There's an if and an else |
| 05:53.48 | Lulia | So there will be something in both sections |
| 05:53.53 | Lulia | Regardless of how I do the logic |
| 05:53.55 | zid` | the most beutiful code int he world has 2 levels of nesting maximally |
| 05:54.06 | Mischanix | I need to stop carrying around my rival title while I'm afk coding, on that note. |
| 05:54.06 | zid` | if you need a 3rd, write a function |
| 05:54.29 | mckenziemc | zid`: disagree. if your if conditional ends up being more complicated, it's harder to read imo |
| 05:54.34 | Lulia | if event == "RUNE_POWER_UPDATE" or event == "RUNE_TYPE_UPDATE" then stuff else stuff end |
| 05:54.46 | zid` | mckenziemc: it's just inverted |
| 05:55.19 | mckenziemc | some inversions can get really complicated |
| 05:55.25 | zid` | if(blah) { if(blah2) {code} } turns into if(!blah) return; if(!blah2) return; code |
| 05:55.35 | Computerpunk | Aw, great, last night I promoted a chick to Guild Leader. |
| 05:55.36 | Computerpunk | Wtf. |
| 05:55.37 | Lulia | Computerpunk: You're suggesting that any time my code makes an API Call that could be made more than once I put a local at the beginning of the file for it? |
| 05:55.50 | Computerpunk | Lulia, yes, that's what I'm suggesting. |
| 05:55.52 | Mischanix | Hahahahahahaha. |
| 05:55.59 | Computerpunk | zid`, never use negation symbol. |
| 05:56.03 | mckenziemc | then again in that case i'd use a local to check and store a statement, then just check the local, so eh |
| 05:56.07 | zid` | Computerpunk: bullshit. |
| 05:56.17 | Computerpunk | zid`, not bullshit, especially in WoW. |
| 05:56.18 | Mischanix | if not blah return |
| 05:56.25 | Computerpunk | Where it's 1, nil. |
| 05:56.26 | zid` | Think of global access as a function call |
| 05:56.28 | Computerpunk | Not is fine. |
| 05:56.29 | Computerpunk | ~ isn't. |
| 05:56.49 | Computerpunk | Mischanix, you forgot the then. |
| 05:56.50 | Computerpunk | :p |
| 05:56.55 | zid` | so that it's actually blah() not blah, then you see easily why it would be slower than local data = blah(); |
| 05:57.13 | Computerpunk | zid`, thinking of it in C++, negation symbol is bad, as you generate extra assembly. |
| 05:57.14 | zid` | you're recomputing the data each time you reference it, without the local |
| 05:57.19 | zid` | Computerpunk: no you don't. |
| 05:57.23 | zid` | jz vs jnz |
| 05:57.24 | Computerpunk | Checked it? |
| 05:57.25 | zid` | only difference |
| 05:57.34 | zid` | 74 and 75 opcodes, respectively |
| 05:57.36 | Mischanix | Yeah, I hate thens. |
| 05:58.22 | Computerpunk | zid`, I personally despise such symbols. |
| 05:58.36 | Lulia | So far I've learned to make global API calls upvalues... I'm still not catching Zid's point about my ChangePowDK function though. |
| 05:58.53 | Computerpunk | if (blah != 0) { if (blah2 != 0) { code } } turns into if (blah == 0) return; if (blah2 == 0) return; code |
| 05:59.07 | Computerpunk | Longer, but way more specific. |
| 05:59.17 | Computerpunk | zid`, you get used to do this when return values aren't default bools. |
| 05:59.20 | zid` | it just drops the nesting |
| 05:59.32 | zid` | nesting makes code hard to follow |
| 05:59.40 | Computerpunk | zid`, think about GetUnitPower() |
| 05:59.45 | Computerpunk | UnitGetPower* |
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| 06:00.06 | Lulia | I don't see how the nesting would change at all by changing it to if event ~= "RUNE_POWER_UPDATE" or event ~= "RUNE_TYPE_UPDATE" |
| 06:00.16 | Lulia | It would just flip the else and the if |
| 06:00.26 | Computerpunk | UnitPowerType, found it. |
| 06:00.55 | Computerpunk | zid`, you'd still have to do specific checks, local power = UnitPowerType("player") if power == SPELL_POWER_MANA then end, you can't do if not or if power. |
| 06:01.09 | zid` | Computerpunk: What are we talking about now? |
| 06:01.11 | Computerpunk | So, having specified values matters. |
| 06:01.17 | Computerpunk | zid`, negation symbol and its usage. |
| 06:01.36 | Lulia | Actually, negating I would have to make the or into an and |
| 06:01.38 | zid` | last I checked we were talking about nesting |
| 06:01.52 | Computerpunk | zid`, you were talking with Lulia about nesting. |
| 06:01.59 | Computerpunk | I'm talking to you about using those. |
| 06:02.24 | Computerpunk | If you think your code is clean, then you stick to a generic pattern, not use 3 styles for one thing, depending on the case. |
| 06:02.34 | Computerpunk | Like I specificed above. |
| 06:03.01 | zid` | Computerpunk: that wasn't a sentence |
| 06:03.32 | Lulia | http://pastey.net/144241 |
| 06:03.34 | Computerpunk | Which one? |
| 06:03.39 | Lulia | That's what happens if I invert the logic |
| 06:04.01 | zid` | lol, the missing tab threw me hard |
| 06:04.04 | Lulia | except line 8 would be indented properly, not sure why the indenting got messed up |
| 06:04.47 | zid` | Lulia: You missed the point. |
| 06:05.00 | zid` | You should *return* after thePowerBars:ChangePow(); |
| 06:05.05 | zid` | so that you can get rid of the 'else' |
| 06:05.11 | zid` | and drop the code 1 level of nesting |
| 06:05.45 | Lulia | Well that's more than just an issue with logic then, that's more specifically an issue with using return statements better |
| 06:05.55 | Lulia | Which changing the logic would simply help faciliate |
| 06:06.01 | Lulia | facilitate* |
| 06:06.17 | zid` | It's coding style. |
| 06:06.21 | zid` | It's not a logic change at all |
| 06:07.18 | zid` | it's basically "check for errors - bail, do body of code" rather than "Check for errors, put giant block of code in conditional" |
| 06:08.18 | zid` | Lulia: Do you have any tools that will measure the length of functions? |
| 06:08.35 | Lulia | Well, now you're getting into the realm of semantics. My point was that there was more than once change, but you were representing it as simply a change in inverting the logic, which, alone, didn't make any sense to me |
| 06:08.41 | Lulia | But that's because it was more than that |
| 06:08.46 | Lulia | Emerald Editor has line numbers |
| 06:08.52 | Lulia | So I can do some quick math in my head |
| 06:08.57 | zid` | nah, I wanted a 'longness' metric |
| 06:09.10 | zid` | so you could do what_function_is_longest pbinfo.lua |
| 06:09.12 | zid` | then start there |
| 06:09.36 | zid` | long functions == confusing, aimless functions |
| 06:09.55 | zid` | Functions doing more than 1 thing are impossible to name correctly, as well as being hard to follow |
| 06:10.06 | Lulia | Hmm |
| 06:11.03 | mckenziemc | zid`: but too many functions can be worse |
| 06:11.16 | zid` | mckenziemc: I wouldn't say so. |
| 06:12.26 | zid` | It ends up being far more documented just by virtue of having more names for blocks of code |
| 06:14.43 | Lulia | Would it not be best to say that a proper balance of functions is key? |
| 06:14.53 | Computerpunk | best function ever |
| 06:14.53 | Computerpunk | function UnderHood:ProcessUpdate() |
| 06:14.53 | Computerpunk | if not next(objectsToUpdate) then return end |
| 06:14.53 | Computerpunk | for target, method in pairs(objectsToUpdate) do |
| 06:14.53 | Computerpunk | method(target) |
| 06:14.54 | Computerpunk | end |
| 06:14.56 | Computerpunk | end |
| 06:15.05 | zid` | I like that |
| 06:15.14 | Computerpunk | zid`, XChat took out an empty line |
| 06:15.18 | Computerpunk | after the return end |
| 06:15.24 | mckenziemc | then again, i seem to have a unique method of documentation -- for almost every significant 'if' block in my code, i have a comment either above it, or inside each part of it, saying what the code does |
| 06:15.28 | zid` | It follows both of my code guidelines we've been talking about :P |
| 06:15.51 | Dagmar | mckenziemc: Better watch that. Someone's liable to call you a professional |
| 06:16.00 | zid` | it bails on error cases, and has a good name by virtue of being small |
| 06:16.25 | Kraps | http://www.destructoid.com/microsoft-denies-accusations-that-kinect-will-get-better-190206.phtm |
| 06:16.51 | Dagmar | heh. "denies accusations" lol |
| 06:17.07 | mckenziemc | rofl |
| 06:17.26 | Computerpunk | Anyone here to can do changes on Ace3? Specifically AceConfigCmd-3.0.lua, local strmatch = string.match. if you call strmatch(str, pattern) it's slower than str:match(pattern). |
| 06:18.13 | Computerpunk | I'm a freak of optimizing code. |
| 06:18.48 | Torhal | Computerpunk: File a ticket. |
| 06:18.54 | Computerpunk | Torhal, :D |
| 06:19.57 | zid` | http://codepad.org/3nRL3m2D |
| 06:20.09 | zid` | I picked some random code I found that had passable style in regards to blank lines etc |
| 06:20.10 | Lulia | Hi, Torhal! |
| 06:20.28 | zid` | If you want to read it to get ideas Lulia |
| 06:20.41 | Lulia | Thanks, zid |
| 06:20.49 | Torhal | Heya |
| 06:22.06 | Lulia | See, my philosophy previously was: If lines of code are repeated, make a function for it. But what I'm gathering you're suggesting is, if something is done, make a function for it? |
| 06:22.16 | zid` | yea |
| 06:22.33 | zid` | that way you don't need -- This code updates paladin auras |
| 06:22.37 | zid` | in the middle of a function |
| 06:22.42 | zid` | you just do update_paladin_aura |
| 06:22.47 | zid` | it doesn't matter if it's only used there |
| 06:22.53 | Lulia | Hmm |
| 06:23.07 | zid` | it can be used elsewhere later on |
| 06:23.08 | Torhal | In Lua, function calls are relatively expensive, which is why it's only a good idea to make a function if you're using it in more than one place. |
| 06:23.16 | zid` | Torhal: that's lame :( |
| 06:23.27 | zid` | optimizing lua basically means "write messy code" I guess |
| 06:23.30 | Lulia | >.> |
| 06:23.30 | Torhal | Especially if you're using code in a loop. |
| 06:23.51 | zid` | I would write a zlua |
| 06:24.00 | Torhal | Well, it isn't pre-compiled. |
| 06:24.02 | zid` | that 'optimizes' the lua after I write it |
| 06:24.03 | Xyphoid | optimizing for performance vs optimizing for maintainability are quite different things |
| 06:24.03 | Torhal | So... |
| 06:24.08 | zid` | basically expands everything |
| 06:24.16 | zid` | someone get right on that, don't forget to name it after me |
| 06:24.34 | airtonix | libFailZid |
| 06:24.47 | airtonix | ~project libFailZid |
| 06:24.53 | airtonix | :( |
| 06:24.57 | Lulia | restarting comp, brb |
| 06:24.58 | Torhal | Xyphoid: Of course, if I have a function that's hundreds of lines long, I'll probably separate it out into helper functions for readibility. |
| 06:25.07 | mckenziemc | yeah |
| 06:25.12 | Torhal | But a function that long isn't likely to be executed in a loop |
| 06:25.17 | airtonix | purl you suck |
| 06:25.18 | purl | and very well I might add |
| 06:25.29 | airtonix | :) |
| 06:25.30 | mckenziemc | O.o |
| 06:25.30 | zid` | Do I get to talk about optimizing the hot-path, now? |
| 06:25.42 | airtonix | no |
| 06:25.49 | airtonix | that is scheduled for 8pm tomorrow |
| 06:26.00 | Xyphoid | what's in the other streams |
| 06:26.03 | mckenziemc | of course, maintainability trumps optimization, in cases where you can't improve both |
| 06:26.19 | mckenziemc | assuming you're not making particularly performance-sensitive code |
| 06:26.21 | Computerpunk | Torhal, I've been misled. :o |
| 06:26.27 | Computerpunk | brb, changing my code too. :/ |
| 06:26.31 | mckenziemc | ~asl |
| 06:26.31 | purl | Old enough, yes please, my place. |
| 06:26.48 | Torhal | Computerpunk: Hrm> |
| 06:26.51 | Torhal | ? |
| 06:26.58 | Computerpunk | Torhal, seems string:match is slower. :o |
| 06:26.59 | zid` | lua needs 'inline', obviously |
| 06:27.07 | cogwheel | any warrior tanks around? |
| 06:27.08 | mckenziemc | hehe |
| 06:27.15 | zid` | cogwheel: me |
| 06:27.41 | Torhal | Computerpunk: I don't understand how. In that case, "self" is already known and doesn't need to be looked up... |
| 06:27.57 | Computerpunk | Torhal, I ran test in scite. |
| 06:28.19 | cogwheel | my tank set is coming together very slowly... do you think i could tank normals with dps gear in head, bracers, main hand, ranged, belt, 1 ring & 1 trinket? my tanking gear i do have is 329 avg |
| 06:28.26 | Torhal | Oh, I see: strmatch is an upvalue whose address is always known: ("string"):match has to look up the "match" member, |
| 06:29.08 | zid` | cogwheel: I would go the whole hog, personally, but it's up to you |
| 06:29.13 | zid` | Can you tank in dps gear? certainly |
| 06:30.41 | zid` | You'll probably do better dps in prot gear, mind you |
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| 06:31.47 | zid` | oh, it came back |
| 06:32.02 | Lulia | ? |
| 06:32.10 | Lulia | Please tell me I'm not the "it" |
| 06:32.49 | zid` | laughs |
| 06:33.00 | Lulia | And if I am the "it", I did say I would brb :P |
| 06:33.08 | zid` | Oh it did did it? I missed that |
| 06:33.10 | cogwheel | i was dumb and d/e'ed everything but fury gear omw to 85 -_- |
| 06:33.16 | zid` | We can talk about optimizing the hot path now right? |
| 06:33.22 | Lulia | Huh? |
| 06:33.29 | zid` | cogwheel: Plenty of prot gear from quests and rep btw |
| 06:33.36 | zid` | Lulia: That's a good sign! |
| 06:33.41 | cogwheel | yeah, half of what i already have is from rep >< |
| 06:33.49 | zid` | You seemed concernted about the maintainability vs execution speed tradeoffs |
| 06:33.59 | Lulia | Well |
| 06:34.05 | cogwheel | 2 pieces from dungeons (since i can't roll against tanks) |
| 06:34.12 | Lulia | When the execution speed differences are minimal, maintainability trumps |
| 06:34.19 | zid` | cogwheel: armory? |
| 06:34.21 | cogwheel | and the rest from BS |
| 06:34.32 | cogwheel | zid`: it has my fury gear atm |
| 06:34.34 | zid` | Lulia: Not just that, you missed a case where speed doesn't matter |
| 06:34.41 | zid` | this is the hot-path cold-path distinction |
| 06:34.53 | Lulia | O.o link? |
| 06:34.59 | zid` | Do you *really* care if your options screen runs 10x as slow |
| 06:35.10 | zid` | optimize the things that need to execute quickly |
| 06:35.12 | Lulia | Depends on what it's 10x of |
| 06:35.17 | zid` | 'nothing' |
| 06:35.31 | zid` | just makes the options dialogue open in 0.1ms vs 1ms |
| 06:35.44 | zid` | now, that performance tradeoff there, is NOT minimal |
| 06:35.47 | zid` | but it's still a good idea |
| 06:36.04 | Lulia | It's relatively minimal in that in the end it's still faster than the mind could process it |
| 06:36.15 | cogwheel | oh it's updated now: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/kirin-tor/cogwheel/advanced |
| 06:36.31 | cogwheel | (haven't done my talents or glyphs yet) |
| 06:36.44 | zid` | head is really hard to replace, ignore that |
| 06:36.46 | Lulia | You're a gnome |
| 06:36.53 | cogwheel | OF COURSE! |
| 06:36.55 | zid` | bracers are hard |
| 06:37.10 | cogwheel | Where did you think Cogwheel came from? Undercity? |
| 06:37.10 | cogwheel | :P |
| 06:37.13 | zid` | you're fine, cogwheel |
| 06:37.17 | zid` | go do a shit load of dungeons |
| 06:37.19 | zid` | as tank |
| 06:37.24 | cogwheel | =) |
| 06:37.34 | zid` | get your exalted epics and some more 333s |
| 06:37.49 | zid` | HoO btw |
| 06:37.53 | zid` | 3 tank drops there |
| 06:37.56 | zid` | gloves head and bracers |
| 06:38.24 | Lulia | But, in the end, Zid, I think we agree in that aspect, so yes. |
| 06:38.58 | zid` | So yea, hot-path vs cold-path, I'd only consider going for speed vs maintainability in code that executes a lot, and requires executing fast |
| 06:39.12 | zid` | hot-path = the execution path that is hit the most often |
| 06:39.25 | zid` | so putting slow ass code in the if(special_case) is fine |
| 06:40.20 | Lulia | Makes sense |
| 06:40.53 | zid` | now, to practice it :) |
| 06:40.56 | zid` | practise |
| 06:40.58 | zid` | fuck sake |
| 06:41.09 | Lulia | :P |
| 06:41.14 | zid` | cogwheel: Want my armory link so you can see where my gear is from? |
| 06:41.18 | Lulia | My code is going to have to go through a lot of changes |
| 06:41.19 | Lulia | >.> |
| 06:41.26 | Lulia | Here's to breaking everything! |
| 06:41.44 | zid` | Lulia: git! |
| 06:41.52 | cogwheel | zid`: i think i can get there from here |
| 06:42.01 | zid` | aww |
| 06:42.02 | cogwheel | i just wanted faster queues and the ability to roll on tanking gear |
| 06:42.03 | zid` | I wanted to show off |
| 06:42.06 | cogwheel | but yeah :P |
| 06:42.13 | zid` | http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/draenor/mooted/simple |
| 06:42.29 | zid` | missing 1 trinket, and 2k rep for epic back |
| 06:42.32 | Mischanix | Heh, levelling my death knight to tank because I'm a masochist. |
| 06:43.28 | Mischanix | Gaw zid. I wanna queue with you :( |
| 06:43.43 | zid` | the only items I won't have before raiding will be pauldrons of edward the odd (boe epic world drop), and the darkmoon trinket that I don't want |
| 06:44.04 | Mischanix | Definitely don't want. |
| 06:44.12 | zid` | have you seen the 1650 valor trinket btw? |
| 06:44.15 | zid` | it's *trash* |
| 06:44.22 | zid` | it's a downgrade from the 264 trinket |
| 06:44.30 | Mischanix | Naw, what's the proc? |
| 06:44.36 | zid` | proc isn't the problem |
| 06:44.42 | zid` | proc is better |
| 06:44.45 | Mischanix | Parry? |
| 06:44.45 | zid` | the stats are just worse |
| 06:44.47 | Mischanix | lol |
| 06:45.26 | zid` | http://www.wowhead.com/item=58182 |
| 06:45.31 | zid` | 1650 valor points |
| 06:45.39 | zid` | that's 3 weeks of daily heroic |
| 06:45.48 | zid` | http://www.wowhead.com/item=47735 |
| 06:45.51 | zid` | That's 591 JP |
| 06:46.05 | zid` | which is erm.. 1 heroic |
| 06:46.13 | zid` | 245 even! lol |
| 06:46.40 | zid` | "Do you want to upgrade your dodge proc slightly, for 500 less armor and 1650 VP" |
| 06:46.41 | Mischanix | Wtf? |
| 06:47.03 | zid` | they should give me VP for buying the damn thing |
| 06:47.05 | Mischanix | Surely they can't have meant 963 dodge rating? |
| 06:47.17 | zid` | it's commendation of kael'thas mk 2 |
| 06:47.24 | zid` | 963 isn't loads btw |
| 06:47.33 | zid` | it's scaled to the ilvl fine |
| 06:48.11 | zid` | It'll give like 7% dodge or something |
| 06:48.23 | zid` | depending on how high your dodge already is |
| 06:48.26 | Mischanix | I know. |
| 06:48.28 | zid` | if you're naked it'd give like 10% :P |
| 06:49.22 | zid` | so yea, as usual, warriors are fucked for trinkets |
| 06:49.48 | Mischanix | apparently. welp. |
| 06:49.49 | zid` | nerfed druid trinkets |
| 06:49.54 | zid` | just what I always wanted |
| 06:50.06 | zid` | http://www.wowhead.com/item=34473 |
| 06:50.09 | zid` | *that* is a trinket |
| 06:50.19 | Mischanix | Blizz never gives tanks anything nice anyway. Can't, really, because of pvp balance. |
| 06:50.33 | zid` | Mischanix: Bollocks, imo |
| 06:50.37 | Mischanix | Have that thing on my warlock *boss* |
| 06:50.40 | zid` | They gave me a 400 SBV trinket |
| 06:50.49 | zid` | I was oneshotting every cloth class in PvP |
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| 06:50.59 | zid` | that's 1600 damage on a shield slam |
| 06:51.11 | Mischanix | Yeah, hehe. |
| 06:51.14 | zid` | they have since capped SBV, then taken SBV out entirely :/ |
| 06:51.41 | Mischanix | Always been wondering where that little line below armor went. |
| 06:51.43 | Mischanix | :P |
| 06:52.00 | zid` | what's weird is that block rating still exists |
| 06:52.04 | zid` | I have a 40 block rating enchant |
| 06:52.56 | zid` | it's new to cata, too |
| 07:01.03 | cogwheel | Lulia: my license plate is 4 GNMRGN |
| 07:01.18 | Lulia | lol |
| 07:01.24 | zid` | tell the heating to come on so my hands can unfreeze |
| 07:01.26 | zid` | plzkthx |
| 07:01.36 | Lulia | I seem to play Draenei and Humans almost exclusively for the Alliance |
| 07:01.42 | Lulia | Oh, I do have a Worgen, but it's a druid |
| 07:01.47 | Lulia | so it's effectively a human druid |
| 07:01.48 | Lulia | :P |
| 07:02.52 | zid` | I need to get that belt buckle I guess, the armory is bitching at me |
| 07:04.12 | cogwheel | i need to level my eng so i can tinker |
| 07:04.30 | zid` | 15 pyrite for the plan, bleh |
| 07:05.27 | zid` | I have 5 orbs, I should spam trade |
| 07:05.58 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Seerah -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ || 4.0.x ToC: 40000 || #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting || Congrats Shirik! || Happy birthday, Torhal! |
| 07:06.30 | clever | can you call UnitHealth("Seerah") and have it work, assuming Seerah is from the oposing faction? |
| 07:06.39 | Seerah | no |
| 07:06.44 | Seerah | names only work for units in your party |
| 07:06.46 | Mischanix | No. Names as unitnames only work if the unit is in party/raid |
| 07:07.08 | clever | so theres no way to get the health/class of an enemy until he is targeted? |
| 07:07.16 | clever | or mouseover'd |
| 07:07.23 | Seerah | or if he's the target of another valid unitid |
| 07:07.35 | Seerah | party1target, targettarget, focustarget, pettarget, etc. |
| 07:07.41 | clever | yeah, targeted by somebody else |
| 07:08.00 | clever | was wondering if i could somehow monitor the mana of every oposing druid |
| 07:08.03 | Mischanix | And you can cycle through UnitGUID(unitID) until the GUID matches then use that info |
| 07:08.27 | Lulia | hugs Seerah. |
| 07:08.28 | clever | now that i think of it, combat log would do half the job of finding the healer |
| 07:08.39 | Seerah | hugs Lulia |
| 07:08.49 | zid` | clever: or prot warriors :P |
| 07:08.57 | clever | any way for the nameplate from 'v' to get styled? |
| 07:09.01 | zid` | depending on if you sum healing, or look for certain spells |
| 07:09.04 | clever | so certain names could stand out more |
| 07:09.06 | zid` | clever: tidyplates |
| 07:09.10 | zid` | So yea, it's possible |
| 07:09.17 | zid` | I have threat plates |
| 07:09.17 | Seerah | clever: search for "nameplate" on any addon site :) |
| 07:09.25 | clever | auto-find the healer and then make his nameplate 5x bigger |
| 07:09.33 | Seerah | or go to vranx.com |
| 07:09.37 | clever | click, rape, win |
| 07:10.08 | zid` | bleeh, tell WoW to stop locking up in org for a whie |
| 07:10.50 | Seerah | turn down your graphics settings? |
| 07:11.41 | clever | so if you cant get the HP for an oposing player, how does the nameplate code get and render it? |
| 07:12.09 | Arrowmaster | it doesnt |
| 07:12.14 | Arrowmaster | there is no nameplate code |
| 07:12.28 | clever | its just a few style rules that get handled purely by WOW? |
| 07:13.11 | Arrowmaster | the game creates and positions and updates them, there is no lua involved |
| 07:13.25 | clever | how does the styling work then? |
| 07:13.56 | Arrowmaster | by searching every child of UIParent to find them then style them |
| 07:14.14 | Arrowmaster | onupdate |
| 07:14.37 | clever | and it can indirectly see the player name and HP by inspecting those frames? |
| 07:15.01 | Arrowmaster | yes, not sure if you can get exact HP or just % though |
| 07:15.26 | Arrowmaster | one of the old 2.x arena frame addons used to do that |
| 07:15.29 | Mischanix | Wait. Do position functions return anything by those frames? |
| 07:15.44 | Arrowmaster | i think they do |
| 07:15.45 | Computerpunk | local function a() return 1, 2 end b = a() print(b) b = (a()) print(b) |
| 07:15.45 | clever | just a % for hp and maybe mana could do, then expand it more when targeted |
| 07:15.51 | Computerpunk | lua> local function a() return 1, 2 end b = a() print(b) b = (a()) print(b) |
| 07:15.52 | lua_bot | Computerpunk: 1, 1 |
| 07:15.55 | Computerpunk | good. |
| 07:16.01 | Arrowmaster | you cant get mana from nameplates |
| 07:16.14 | clever | Arrowmaster: so it would just be an HP bar until i target him? |
| 07:16.20 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 07:16.24 | clever | GetUnitName("target") matches |
| 07:16.41 | Arrowmaster | UnitName("target") |
| 07:16.43 | clever | might be able to do something |
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| 07:17.12 | Arrowmaster | GetUnitName() is just a lua function created in FrameXML that wraps UnitName() |
| 07:17.29 | clever | i was just guessing at the function name anyways |
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| 07:20.48 | zid` | woo, heating came on |
| 07:21.40 | clever | what about GetPlayerMapPosition, can it only work for "target" same as the other stuff? |
| 07:22.14 | Arrowmaster | i thought that only worked on party members |
| 07:22.15 | clever | would i need to target an enemy to find his exact coords |
| 07:22.57 | clever | sounds like i cant get the exact coord of an enemy, just the general area he was spotted in |
| 07:23.37 | Arrowmaster | i dont think so |
| 07:23.43 | clever | Arrowmaster: you know how any character (npc/player) will just vanish if you get too far away? |
| 07:24.00 | Arrowmaster | yes its the draw distance |
| 07:24.00 | clever | is that a fixed distance chosen by the server? |
| 07:24.08 | clever | seperate from the draw distance i mean |
| 07:24.14 | Arrowmaster | i dont know, i dont play anymore |
| 07:24.24 | clever | like how the character completely disapears, cant even be targeted |
| 07:25.01 | clever | it seems to me, like the server will only inform the client about characters within X yards of me |
| 07:25.07 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 07:25.13 | clever | if anything is outside that range, i cant target them at all |
| 07:25.28 | Arrowmaster | unless they are in your party |
| 07:25.30 | clever | if i'm lagging or movving too fast, i may park myself in the middle of agressive mobs:P |
| 07:25.40 | clever | is that X yards a server constant? |
| 07:26.18 | Arrowmaster | yes the server does it, there are some circumstances where it changes that distance i think |
| 07:26.44 | clever | just trying to figure out if i can safely draw a circle on the map around where X was sighter |
| 07:26.50 | clever | sighted*, and know for sure he is in there |
| 07:26.53 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 07:27.13 | clever | if i have a nameplate for him, he is within X yards of me |
| 07:27.36 | clever | draw a circle around my own position (minimap or world), he should be inside it? |
| 07:27.46 | Arrowmaster | nameplate distance is really small |
| 07:27.57 | clever | ah yeah forgot that bit |
| 07:28.23 | clever | the nameplates cut off just after tab select range |
| 07:28.45 | clever | so that would be Y yards then, where Y < X |
| 07:30.32 | clever | so if a player is outside that nameplate range, there is no way to know he even exists, until somebody targets him? |
| 07:31.11 | Arrowmaster | activity in the combatlog would tell you |
| 07:31.35 | clever | yeah thats the only place i can think of |
| 07:31.47 | clever | does the combat log have its own 'view distance'? |
| 07:32.03 | clever | it cant just be showing the entire zone of combat, atleast not for normal zones |
| 07:33.11 | clever | i'm guessing its tied to the server telling you about the player existing, so the client can animate spells off in the distance |
| 07:33.16 | Slaren | as long as you can see the unit it should appear on the combat log, as far as i know |
| 07:33.32 | Slaren | and the maximum distance is around 100 yards |
| 07:33.32 | clever | thats what i was guessing |
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| 08:02.47 | Arrowmaster | lol @ xkcd |
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| 08:07.33 | Shirik | lol |
| 08:09.25 | airtonix | you won't be getting any presents Arrowmaster |
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| 08:22.41 | mckenziemc | heh, for the quest Agility Training: Run Like Hell! (in Hyjal) you're supposed to kite the fire elemental for a minute, but he spawned underground and fell to his death >< |
| 08:23.16 | zid` | heh |
| 08:23.25 | zid` | I just stood there |
| 08:23.27 | zid` | like a boss |
| 08:23.58 | clever | checks xkcd |
| 08:24.57 | clever | Arrowmaster: LOL |
| 08:28.46 | mckenziemc | clever: i'm pretty sure it's 100 yards, and it's constant (i'm guessing) -- if players could configure that, it could probably be considered an 'unfair advantage' (being able to /tar someone from farther) |
| 08:29.05 | Arrowmaster | its not constant, but it is controlled by the server |
| 08:29.48 | clever | mckenziemc: i would think you could reduce it though, like view distance |
| 08:29.56 | clever | that would have saved dalaran |
| 08:30.21 | clever | part of the problem with dal i think, was it reporting the activity of every player within 100 yards (the whole damn city? :P) |
| 08:30.33 | clever | part of the problem was just loading the textures for all that |
| 08:30.57 | clever | and a 3rd part is probly rendering and checking to see if players are behind walls, with that many |
| 08:31.04 | mckenziemc | yup. textures, polygons, events |
| 08:31.17 | Arrowmaster | i dont think the renderer checks if people are behind walls |
| 08:31.19 | clever | when <it came from the blog> did the fire event thing, we where in the middle of ashenvale |
| 08:31.28 | clever | if i even looked towards the mob, my framerates hit 0 |
| 08:31.57 | clever | Arrowmaster: it does do some minor checking to see if something is behind a wall |
| 08:32.14 | clever | when the video card runs out of ram, the walls vanish (wall hack removing random walls basicaly) |
| 08:32.26 | clever | though the UI and myself also vanish, sometimes EVERYTHING |
| 08:32.42 | clever | it lets me get some insight in how it renders things |
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| 08:33.22 | clever | though i was able to see the ramp to blackrock mountain, from stormwind |
| 08:33.56 | clever | the ground texture under/behind/infront of the ramp was on a completely seperate layer and vanished |
| 08:34.21 | clever | Arrowmaster: do you know c++ any? |
| 08:34.29 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 08:34.32 | Shirik | why would you ask Arrowmaster |
| 08:34.44 | Shirik | my life revolves around C++ |
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| 08:34.48 | Arrowmaster | Shirik is the channels C++ fanboy |
| 08:35.28 | clever | Shirik: i'm trying to track down where IWineD3DDevice_GetAvailableTextureMem is defined, and its nowhere in the source or /usr/include |
| 08:35.29 | Shirik | s/fanboy/god/ |
| 08:35.45 | cogwheel | Shirik: what is the square root of C++? |
| 08:35.58 | clever | cogwheel: all depends on what C==? |
| 08:36.18 | cogwheel | yeah that crossed my mind after i saw it typed out -_- |
| 08:37.23 | Shirik | "nowhere in the source or /usr/include" I have to disagree, but keep in mind it could be a macro |
| 08:37.26 | Shirik | but I severely doubt that |
| 08:37.35 | Arrowmaster | i only got 5 hits for that in all of the wine source code |
| 08:37.38 | clever | Shirik: no #define's found either |
| 08:37.50 | Shirik | You can define macros on the command line |
| 08:37.57 | clever | then it would appear in the Makefile |
| 08:38.04 | Shirik | correct |
| 08:38.09 | Shirik | but your statement did not imply you looked there |
| 08:38.12 | clever | i grep'd the entire source tree |
| 08:38.49 | clever | its only ever referenced in .c files |
| 08:38.51 | airtonix | that's called incest |
| 08:39.11 | clever | airtonix: no, incest is using grep on greps source code:P |
| 08:39.25 | clever | grep grep -r grep |
| 08:39.27 | Shirik | clever: What you say cannot be true |
| 08:39.35 | Shirik | how did you look for it? |
| 08:39.39 | clever | Shirik: i know, thats why i'm having trouble |
| 08:39.57 | clever | ramboot ~ # cd /dev/shm/portage/app-emulation/wine-1.2/work/wine-1.2/ |
| 08:39.59 | clever | ramboot wine-1.2 # grep -r IWineD3DDevice_GetAvailableTextureMem . |
| 08:40.23 | clever | its in resource.d, main.c, ddraw.c, and device.c, all 3 are calls not definitions |
| 08:40.39 | clever | 4* |
| 08:40.52 | Arrowmaster | theres 5 |
| 08:41.01 | clever | yeah device.c calls it twice |
| 08:41.29 | mckenziemc | maybe that's what the problem is! |
| 08:41.41 | clever | the error is coming from resource.c |
| 08:41.59 | Shirik | see if you weren't on Linux this wouldn't be a problem |
| 08:42.05 | mikma | haste: http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/hurrdurrderpfacehollywoodstopmodurrrrrrrr.jpg |
| 08:42.15 | Shirik | right click, VAX find definition |
| 08:42.16 | Shirik | bam |
| 08:42.23 | airtonix | qqmoar |
| 08:42.23 | clever | Shirik: if WOW was open source i could just compile it with debug symbols and fix it:P |
| 08:42.30 | Shirik | or even ctrl+shift+f |
| 08:42.57 | Shirik | If wow was open source you would have a lot more problems than this |
| 08:43.01 | Arrowmaster | clever: ask in #winehq |
| 08:43.10 | clever | i have, no answer |
| 08:43.19 | Shirik | yeah unfortunately this is not really a C++ question |
| 08:43.19 | clever | i wound up helping a guy get WOW running under wine |
| 08:43.33 | Shirik | unless they have some code generation going on |
| 08:43.46 | clever | let me compile and see if it magicaly appears |
| 08:43.47 | Shirik | but I seriously doubt any open source project having a mature enough process for something like that |
| 08:44.03 | Primer | portage? People still use gentoo? |
| 08:44.05 | airtonix | shirik hates freedom |
| 08:44.16 | clever | Shirik: it makes reference to a #include for wined3d.h which is missing |
| 08:44.16 | Shirik | Gentoo is awesome |
| 08:44.19 | Primer | no it's not |
| 08:44.23 | Shirik | yes it is |
| 08:44.27 | clever | yes it is! |
| 08:44.35 | clever | notice my hostname?, ramboot |
| 08:44.41 | Shirik | clever: Ok seriously |
| 08:44.47 | Primer | I was an early adopter of x86_64 on gentoo. I know all its pains |
| 08:44.49 | Shirik | Why the fuck does gcc try to continue after it fails to include a file |
| 08:44.54 | Primer | and let me tell you, it's painful |
| 08:44.55 | Arrowmaster | clever: you dont have one |
| 08:44.57 | Primer | very painful |
| 08:45.01 | clever | Shirik: it doesnt have any problem finding the file |
| 08:45.04 | Shirik | There is a very good reason Visual Studio says a failed #include is a fatal error |
| 08:45.12 | clever | Shirik: it compiles without an error, so the file clearly exists at compile time |
| 08:45.18 | airtonix | no $hirik |
| 08:45.23 | Shirik | or it's somewhere you don't think it is |
| 08:45.24 | clever | i only told portage to prepare it, so it may not have auto-generated yet |
| 08:45.42 | clever | if i do a full compile, it may generate it and reveal things |
| 08:46.17 | Shirik | Primer: It is far more painful to use distributions that don't let you do what you want it to do |
| 08:46.29 | clever | as for the hostname, i have a custom inird that loads the entire root image into RAM at bootup |
| 08:46.30 | airtonix | like windows ? |
| 08:46.32 | Shirik | A computer is supposed to be something that I tell it what to do |
| 08:46.43 | clever | i could do it with ubuntu, but it would be more of a pain |
| 08:46.47 | Shirik | Not something that does most of what I want and then laugh at my requests the other half of the time |
| 08:46.56 | clever | windows would be just imposible:P |
| 08:47.06 | Arrowmaster | what are you talking about Shirik |
| 08:47.12 | Shirik | Gentoo |
| 08:47.14 | clever | just last week, the day before cata came out |
| 08:47.14 | airtonix | he is qq |
| 08:47.25 | clever | i was checking how to convert a gps log on chrome, and windows blue-screened |
| 08:47.32 | clever | since then, it has never booted from the harddrive |
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| 08:47.46 | Shirik | and have you bothered to investigate the error? |
| 08:48.04 | clever | i have, grub is still in the MBR, but it just sits at a blinking _ after the bios |
| 08:48.05 | airtonix | clever, you're obviously not a devout windows user |
| 08:48.11 | clever | the file systems are all in place |
| 08:48.17 | airtonix | make way for Cardinal Shirik |
| 08:48.19 | Shirik | what was the error? |
| 08:48.22 | clever | i can even boot from a grub floppy and chainloader +1 to get windows up |
| 08:48.30 | clever | Shirik: the bluescreen error? |
| 08:48.33 | Shirik | yes |
| 08:48.38 | clever | didnt bother to copy it down |
| 08:48.46 | clever | the video card+wow makes it bluescreen randomly |
| 08:48.48 | Shirik | it should be in your system log |
| 08:48.52 | Shirik | ok no |
| 08:48.59 | Shirik | nothing ever "bluescreens randomly" |
| 08:49.04 | Shirik | A bluescreen is a serious error |
| 08:49.07 | clever | i know |
| 08:49.12 | clever | its the same as a kernel panic on linux |
| 08:49.20 | Shirik | And for some reason the world is convinced bluescreens happen every day |
| 08:49.26 | airtonix | they do |
| 08:49.27 | Shirik | No, they happen every day when you do stupid shit to it |
| 08:49.31 | airtonix | no |
| 08:49.33 | clever | its mostly when WOW is running fullscreen for a few hours |
| 08:49.34 | airtonix | oh yeah |
| 08:49.40 | airtonix | stupid shit like "Use Windows" |
| 08:49.44 | clever | running in windowed mode makes it alot more stable |
| 08:49.58 | Shirik | how new is your graphics card? |
| 08:50.07 | clever | old as the hills |
| 08:50.17 | clever | i only noticed 2 odd things that day |
| 08:50.34 | clever | there was a 'GPU process' in chromes task manager, and the java console opened and mentioned exploiting something |
| 08:50.42 | clever | stupid chrome wont let me disable plugins:P |
| 08:50.56 | Shirik | It all keeps pointing back at your video card |
| 08:50.57 | clever | its blazing fast, until an ad wants to load java |
| 08:51.01 | Shirik | I blame the drivers |
| 08:51.12 | Shirik | or that your card is dying |
| 08:51.17 | clever | drivers i think |
| 08:51.21 | clever | let me boot it back up and see |
| 08:51.25 | Shirik | but unfortunately video card tests are something nobody ever bothered to invent |
| 08:51.27 | Shirik | why, I don't know |
| 08:51.33 | airtonix | clever, remember to grep dmesg |
| 08:51.35 | airtonix | oh wait |
| 08:53.03 | clever | Shirik: i still dont see how video card drivers can kill grub |
| 08:53.26 | clever | its asif stage1 is failing |
| 08:53.57 | clever | stage1 (in the MBR) should print GRUB atleast, before loading stage2 |
| 08:54.13 | Shirik | clever: Keeping in mind that video card drivers can literally do whatever the hell they want, anything can happen |
| 08:54.27 | clever | yeah, they run in ring0 so it could format the hdd if it wanted to |
| 08:54.28 | Shirik | the bluescreen is BECAUSE "something got really fucked up and we don't want anything to get more fucked up" |
| 08:54.32 | clever | but what are the chances of that? |
| 08:54.37 | Shirik | very low, sure |
| 08:54.40 | Shirik | but theoretically possible |
| 08:55.04 | clever | i'm also wondering about that java bit |
| 08:55.14 | Shirik | And people question why I think it the linux kernel is a POS |
| 08:55.19 | clever | the java console opened (because i set it to open with java) and mentioned exploiting |
| 08:55.24 | Shirik | "Oh we need to calculate Dallas One-Wire? DO IT IN THE KERNEL" |
| 08:55.30 | clever | lol |
| 08:55.37 | clever | yeah, some stuff should be user-space |
| 08:55.48 | Shirik | About 90% o the stuff in the kernel should be user-mode |
| 08:55.57 | clever | but its actualy an option in the .config, you can remove it if you feel the need |
| 08:56.06 | clever | your not forced to use a single binary kernel that its illegal to read |
| 08:56.26 | clever | its still better then windows |
| 08:56.31 | Shirik | QNX would be a great OS if they had a desktop user variant |
| 08:56.58 | clever | i remember back on my cf-25 laptop, i was trying to get the wireless card to work |
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| 08:57.32 | clever | i discovered that the bios isnt reporting an IRQ for the pcmcia slot, so it was falling back to legacy cardbus mode, and polling the cardbus registers for status events |
| 08:57.43 | clever | it just called the IRQ handler from a timer |
| 08:57.45 | ProNihilist | the majority of Windows Vista/7 graphics drivers run in user mode |
| 08:57.57 | clever | IRQ sharing support made the extra calls harless |
| 08:58.11 | clever | checking the wifi driver, i found similar IRQ sharing code, so i hacked it to poll instead of use the IRQ |
| 08:58.18 | Shirik | ProNihilist: The majority of word processors in Linu run in kernel mode |
| 08:58.20 | clever | it hard-locked when i brought the link up:P |
| 08:58.28 | Shirik | Ok that's an exaggeration |
| 08:58.32 | Shirik | but that's how I feel about linux |
| 08:58.50 | clever | if your running in pure text mode, then yeah, half the text editor is kernel side:P |
| 08:58.59 | clever | the terminal emulator |
| 08:59.13 | Mischanix | bit.band example: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/144243 lol. |
| 08:59.34 | clever | Shirik: after doing half the compile, wined3d.h magicaly appeared |
| 08:59.49 | clever | and it defines IWineD3DDevice_GetAvailableTextureMem! |
| 08:59.58 | clever | ./include/wine/wined3d.h:#define IWineD3DDevice_GetAvailableTextureMem(This) (This)->lpVtbl->GetAvailableTextureMem(This) |
| 09:00.09 | Shirik | yay |
| 09:00.19 | clever | now lets start all over, what is GetAvailableTextureMem! |
| 09:01.12 | clever | seems to be a virtual function in interface IWineD3DDevice : public IWineD3DBase |
| 09:01.16 | clever | so it could be anywhere |
| 09:01.37 | clever | feels like there is a different version for each renderer (GL) |
| 09:02.09 | Shirik | so this is the actual C++ question you had before? :) |
| 09:02.09 | clever | is that a .idl file?, whats firefox doing in here:P |
| 09:02.24 | Shirik | hahahaha |
| 09:02.26 | Shirik | wow |
| 09:02.27 | Shirik | what |
| 09:02.35 | Shirik | lpVtbl reads to me like "long pointer to virtual table" |
| 09:02.40 | Shirik | are they doing OOP manually? |
| 09:03.00 | clever | #define IWineD3DDevice_SetMultithreaded(This) (This)->lpVtbl->SetMultithreaded(This) |
| 09:03.03 | clever | #define IWineD3DDevice_EvictManagedResources(This) (This)->lpVtbl->EvictManagedResources(This) |
| 09:03.06 | clever | #define IWineD3DDevice_GetAvailableTextureMem(This) (This)->lpVtbl->GetAvailableTextureMem(This) |
| 09:03.30 | Shirik | It really sounds like they're doing object oriented programming in C |
| 09:03.32 | clever | due to using #define, i have no idea what type This is |
| 09:03.49 | clever | i see (This)->lpVtbl->GetAvailableTextureMem(This) alot in c, using struct's as classes |
| 09:03.58 | Shirik | that is so awful |
| 09:03.58 | clever | first time ive seen #define hell |
| 09:04.00 | Primer | see, I just go like this |
| 09:04.04 | Primer | yum install wine |
| 09:04.12 | Primer | wait a minute...done |
| 09:04.24 | clever | Primer: and it your headless horsemen mount vanishes when you look east, what do you do? |
| 09:04.50 | Shirik | Modify the RPM obviously |
| 09:04.57 | clever | i turned the video settings down, it appeared to work |
| 09:05.03 | Shirik | flip the right bits |
| 09:05.06 | clever | i random'ed into forge of souls |
| 09:05.12 | clever | took 3 steps, and the floor vanished |
| 09:05.26 | clever | now what:P |
| 09:05.40 | clever | one wrong step and i walk off the narrow walkways, that i cant see |
| 09:05.50 | Primer | clever: I wish I knew what you meant |
| 09:05.52 | Shirik | anyway, clever, I have a feeling IWineD3DDevice is not the right type |
| 09:06.01 | Shirik | However, if they're REALLY awful |
| 09:06.03 | Primer | it's ironic that I'm on my lock, mounted on my HH mount at the moment |
| 09:06.05 | Shirik | what they might have done is made a union |
| 09:06.07 | clever | Primer: something in wine is failing, so things in the graphics turn invisible |
| 09:06.12 | Shirik | Because the vtable WILL be placed at the beginning |
| 09:06.13 | clever | generaly, if there is too much on the screen |
| 09:06.23 | Primer | clever: I have resorted to compiling it manually |
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| 09:06.44 | clever | a manual compile will probly have the same bug, enless they fixed it in trunk |
| 09:06.46 | Primer | but on "stable" systems, that probably "just works" |
| 09:06.56 | Primer | i.e. not the clusterfuck that is gentoo |
| 09:07.02 | clever | it appears to not be properly tracking the size of the GPU memory |
| 09:07.06 | clever | and over-allocating things |
| 09:07.16 | Shirik | so they could do something like union MyAwfulHack { struct AClassHack { HackyVTBL *lpVtbl; } hack; IWineD3DDevice device; } aHackyDevice; |
| 09:07.25 | clever | err:d3d:resource_init Out of adapter memory |
| 09:07.35 | clever | that spams when the game goes a little haywire |
| 09:07.36 | Shirik | try looking for a union that references IWineD3DDevice |
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| 09:08.10 | Shirik | also |
| 09:08.12 | Shirik | if they do this |
| 09:08.27 | Shirik | I'm going to break into every Wine devleopment server and take them down simultaneously, wiping all backups |
| 09:08.39 | clever | lol |
| 09:08.41 | Shirik | or maybe I'll plant a virus into Wine that will destroy anyone that has ever compiled it |
| 09:08.47 | Shirik | that way we can be sure there are no backups |
| 09:09.05 | clever | Shirik: its git |
| 09:09.13 | clever | every single checked out copy has the entire history |
| 09:09.18 | Shirik | I swear to god, the lengths that people go through to get object oriented programming in C is stupid |
| 09:09.22 | Shirik | But this is the icing on the cake |
| 09:09.31 | Shirik | They literally implemented everything C++ does for you... manually |
| 09:09.42 | Shirik | without any of the safety, of course |
| 09:09.51 | mckenziemc | >< |
| 09:10.11 | clever | ./include/wine/wined3d.h: CONST_VTBL IWineD3DDeviceParentVtbl* lpVtbl; |
| 09:10.30 | Shirik | $5 says my union declaration was correct |
| 09:11.18 | Shirik | You can put that on top of a class and, so long as you know what you're doing, you can make it work |
| 09:11.20 | clever | #define IWineD3DDeviceParent_QueryInterface(This,riid,ppvObject) (This)->lpVtbl->QueryInterface(This,riid,ppvObject) |
| 09:11.23 | clever | #define IWineD3DDeviceParent_AddRef(This) (This)->lpVtbl->AddRef(This) |
| 09:11.26 | clever | #define IWineD3DDeviceParent_Release(This) (This)->lpVtbl->Release(This) |
| 09:11.29 | clever | more firefox code leaking in, now its looking like xpcom! |
| 09:11.40 | Shirik | this is making me cry |
| 09:11.44 | clever | Shirik: that line was the entire 'interface' definition |
| 09:12.19 | clever | i'm guessing this .h file was auto-generated from the .idl |
| 09:12.24 | clever | firefox does the same thing |
| 09:15.21 | clever | there should be a GetAvailableTextureMem defined in a normal .h file, somewhere |
| 09:15.28 | clever | the implementation of the interface |
| 09:15.57 | clever | DECLARE_INTERFACE_(IDirect3DDevice8,IUnknown) { ... STDMETHOD_(UINT,GetAvailableTextureMem)(THIS) PURE; |
| 09:16.19 | clever | another for directx 9 |
| 09:17.06 | clever | and nowhere is the function actualy defined |
| 09:17.16 | clever | atleast not in an obvious manner |
| 09:17.42 | clever | static UINT WINAPI IDirect3DDevice8Impl_GetAvailableTextureMem(LPDIRECT3DDEVICE8 iface) { |
| 09:17.56 | clever | oh god..... |
| 09:18.03 | clever | Shirik: its worse then we feared, its not even using function pointers |
| 09:18.57 | clever | wait, this isnt the source, this calls IWineD3DDevice_GetAvailableTextureMem |
| 09:19.03 | clever | still havent found the actual core to IWineD3DDevice_GetAvailableTextureMem! |
| 09:19.36 | clever | static const IDirect3DDevice8Vtbl Direct3DDevice8_Vtbl = { IDirect3DDevice8Impl_QueryInterface, IDirect3DDevice8Impl_AddRef, ......, IDirect3DDevice8Impl_GetAvailableTextureMem ..... |
| 09:19.57 | clever | it builds a giant array of function pointers for the vtable... |
| 09:20.05 | Arrowmaster | how does any of this surprise you? its long been known the wine code is fucking horrible, so horrible nobody is willing to try to clean it up |
| 09:20.19 | clever | Arrowmaster: this is the first time ive actualy dove into it |
| 09:20.38 | clever | its almost worse then the kernel |
| 09:21.24 | clever | i think i found it, IWineD3DDeviceImpl_GetAvailableTextureMem |
| 09:21.36 | clever | return simulated texture memory left |
| 09:21.42 | clever | ... |
| 09:22.42 | clever | seems like its creating 'random' number of how much texture memory i have |
| 09:22.46 | clever | and then running out |
| 09:24.35 | clever | ok, now how does TRACE() get enabled... |
| 09:25.46 | clever | half this is going to turn into tracking down the debug code to find out how to enable it |
| 09:27.22 | clever | ok, now its spewing debug, on every frame |
| 09:27.36 | clever | death wing is lurching about |
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| 09:29.56 | clever | trace:d3d:IWineD3DDeviceImpl_GetAvailableTextureMem (0x131008) : simulating 128MB, returning 93MB left |
| 09:30.05 | clever | Shirik: finaly, some usefull numbers |
| 09:30.59 | clever | resource->allocatedMemory = (BYTE *)(((ULONG_PTR)resource->heapMemory + (RESOURCE_ALIGNMENT - 1)) & ~(RESOURCE_ALIGNMENT - 1)); |
| 09:31.08 | clever | Shirik: tell me this isnt what it looks like... |
| 09:31.50 | Primer | curious as to why it' |
| 09:31.57 | Primer | s tracing into d3d |
| 09:32.13 | clever | Primer: i set the debug flags to reveal that |
| 09:32.21 | Primer | yes but...d3d? |
| 09:32.31 | Primer | guess opengl doesn't have an API for that? |
| 09:32.42 | Primer | well |
| 09:32.44 | clever | i think its the virtual d3d |
| 09:32.57 | clever | wine is emulating a direct3d api, and then translating it to gl |
| 09:33.05 | Primer | yes, ultimately all d3d is mapped to opengl in wine on Linu |
| 09:33.06 | Primer | x |
| 09:33.10 | Primer | stupid keyboard |
| 09:33.17 | clever | hmmm, what if i just tell wow to use GL directly, or can it not do so? |
| 09:33.26 | Primer | but do you not start wow with: wine wow.exe -- -opengl? |
| 09:33.32 | Primer | as it recommended? |
| 09:33.37 | Primer | s/it/is/ |
| 09:33.38 | clever | never saw that, ever |
| 09:34.04 | clever | until now, d3d has worked fine |
| 09:34.09 | Primer | or do you set it in config.wtf? |
| 09:34.28 | Arrowmaster | i thought all wine wow users knew about -opengl |
| 09:34.30 | Primer | meh, dunno...wow has a gl renderer, and the recommended way in wine has been to use it |
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| 09:34.40 | clever | WINEDEBUG=d3d wine Wow.exe -- -opengl 2>&1 | egrep --color '\) : simulating ' -C10 |
| 09:34.47 | clever | still appears to be pinging the d3d code |
| 09:35.02 | Primer | well, it likely has to use d3d for some stuff |
| 09:35.09 | Primer | like texture memory lookup |
| 09:35.42 | clever | http://privatepaste.com/27707f6ccd the 2 functions that seem important |
| 09:36.08 | clever | 'err:d3d:resource_init Out of adapter memory' is the exact error it gave, you can clearly see where the if failed |
| 09:38.16 | clever | from the return type, 'HRESULT resource_init', it feels like it borders on the bare windows API |
| 09:40.03 | zid` | d3d has better graphics, but crashes less often |
| 09:40.59 | Arrowmaster | you mean more? |
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| 09:42.25 | clever | whoa |
| 09:42.35 | clever | went into the video settings on the login page, and maxed it out |
| 09:42.40 | clever | noticable better |
| 09:44.08 | clever | all i can do though is stare at deathwing |
| 09:44.18 | clever | he roasted my alt today |
| 09:45.05 | clever | maybe 'stood in fire' is a sign i should retire the character and level the next alt:P |
| 09:45.27 | Arrowmaster | i think ive still got his tears |
| 09:47.38 | clever | the most i can really do right now is watch for this line and make sure it stays ok |
| 09:47.41 | clever | trace:d3d:IWineD3DDeviceImpl_GetAvailableTextureMem (0x130fa0) : simulating 128MB, returning 93MB left |
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| 09:53.01 | mckenziemc | does wowinterface use the same .pkgmeta stuff as curseforge / wowace ? |
| 09:53.07 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 09:53.29 | Arrowmaster | afaik it doesnt have anything like that |
| 09:53.37 | mckenziemc | ah |
| 09:54.29 | clever | Arrowmaster: adding SET gxAPI "OpenGL" had completely silenced all d3d logging |
| 09:54.55 | Arrowmaster | that should have been set the first time you ran wow with -opengl |
| 09:54.57 | clever | and altered what i can/cant select in video options |
| 09:54.57 | mckenziemc | makes sense.... |
| 09:55.02 | clever | -opengl did nothing |
| 09:55.29 | Arrowmaster | well you did Wow.exe -- -opengl right? |
| 09:55.30 | mckenziemc | yeah blizzard's OpenGL implementation can't support the water/shadow stuff apparently |
| 09:55.35 | Arrowmaster | not Wow.exe -opengl |
| 09:55.36 | clever | Arrowmaster: yeah, 24 05:34:40 < clever> WINEDEBUG=d3d wine Wow.exe -- -opengl 2>&1 | egrep --color '\) : simulating ' -C10 |
| 09:55.39 | mckenziemc | and some of the other high-end settings |
| 09:56.08 | Arrowmaster | i think the -- messed it up |
| 09:56.46 | clever | yeah, wine Wow.exe -opengl worked |
| 09:57.24 | clever | thats simple enough that i can modify my shortcut and not loose it when WTF is reset |
| 09:57.27 | clever | wow() { pushd ~/.wine/drive_c/Program\ Files/World\ of\ Warcraft; wine Wow.exe -opengl & popd ; } |
| 09:58.20 | clever | now i just have to wonder, does the emulated GL api have the same original problem.... |
| 09:58.34 | Arrowmaster | what emulated GL api |
| 09:58.57 | clever | wine is emulating the win32 GL api, and then proxying everything to the linux GL api |
| 09:59.12 | Arrowmaster | more like wrapping it |
| 09:59.17 | clever | its not having to translate as much as with d3d, more of just a proxy for the way things are called |
| 09:59.25 | clever | yeah |
| 10:00.47 | clever | i think the root problem was wow not obeying the texture memory size (or wine lying) and then it running out of texture memory |
| 10:00.57 | clever | and poorly handling the failure |
| 10:01.16 | clever | if the API returns return WINED3DERR_OUTOFVIDEOMEMORY, dont just blindly continue:P |
| 10:02.01 | clever | if i had the source, id modify wow to either scale back, or re-render the button for video settings on its own layer, so it cant fail |
| 10:02.22 | Arrowmaster | its wow i think, since wow also has problems where it tries to allocate more ram than possible |
| 10:02.47 | clever | its not properly handling a failure |
| 10:03.10 | clever | though ive run thru dalaran on the crippled old system before without it shiting itself, it just lagged like hell |
| 10:03.23 | clever | which reminds me, what video card did it have, lol |
| 10:03.35 | clever | i booted it an hour ago to find out |
| 10:03.50 | mckenziemc | which types of repos does wowi support |
| 10:03.56 | Arrowmaster | svn |
| 10:04.15 | mckenziemc | only? |
| 10:04.18 | clever | Shirik, Arrowmaster: visiontek, radeon HD 2600 XT AGP |
| 10:04.25 | Arrowmaster | afaik |
| 10:04.31 | mckenziemc | k |
| 10:04.56 | clever | thats the card that blue-screened and ceased booting normaly |
| 10:04.58 | mckenziemc | i'm talking to someone else about their addon, trying to get them to host it on curseforge for the .pkgmeta >=O |
| 10:05.20 | Arrowmaster | why? let them host it whereever they want |
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| 10:05.55 | cncfanatics | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:05.57 | clever | Arrowmaster: does that GPU sound anywhere near enough for wow? |
| 10:06.15 | mckenziemc | in this case, allows you to use no-lib versions |
| 10:06.20 | mckenziemc | create* |
| 10:06.38 | Arrowmaster | mckenziemc: again, why? |
| 10:06.44 | clever | like ripping out astrolabe from every addon and only having one copy? |
| 10:07.04 | Arrowmaster | its their addon they can host it whereever and however they like |
| 10:07.35 | clever | i'm guessing having astrolabe embeded into 20 addons leads to 20 copies in ram, even if donglestub makes sure only 1 actualy gets used |
| 10:07.44 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 10:07.46 | cncfanatics | clever: no |
| 10:07.47 | cncfanatics | 1 copy |
| 10:07.50 | cncfanatics | thats the whole point |
| 10:07.58 | airtonix | inb4qq |
| 10:08.10 | clever | then what happens to the 20 Load.xml's each <script>'ing there own copy of astrolabe.lua in? |
| 10:08.17 | clever | why do the 19 others not stay in ram? |
| 10:08.29 | airtonix | garbage? |
| 10:08.41 | clever | how does the lua engine know that though? |
| 10:08.47 | cncfanatics | Because you tell it |
| 10:08.52 | cncfanatics | well, donglestub does actualy |
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| 10:09.11 | clever | donglestub is able to purge the whole thing from ram if it finds multiple copies? |
| 10:09.24 | clever | i thought it only managed references to each version and served them |
| 10:09.43 | cncfanatics | if I remember right |
| 10:09.47 | cncfanatics | lua uses reference counting |
| 10:09.55 | cncfanatics | something without any references gets garbage collected |
| 10:10.00 | clever | ah |
| 10:10.03 | Arrowmaster | actually technically i guess there are that many in ram since the lua interpreter uses a copy of the original source for generating debug messages |
| 10:10.07 | airtonix | removed clevers references |
| 10:10.48 | clever | so if all references sent out by astro labe (to donglestub) get dropped, the global may garbage collect and the whole thing die |
| 10:10.58 | clever | for the spares |
| 10:11.03 | clever | aslong as it doesnt hook into WOW by mistake |
| 10:11.09 | Arrowmaster | huh? |
| 10:11.29 | cncfanatics | clever: if ANYTHING has references to astrolabe, it'll stay in memory |
| 10:11.33 | clever | the 20 astrolabe's will each register itself to donglestub |
| 10:11.43 | clever | i'm guessing donglestub will only hold one of each version |
| 10:11.49 | clever | so GC should handle the duplicates |
| 10:12.30 | Arrowmaster | well if it works like libstub, the first thing it does is find out if the current version already exists and if so stop processing the file |
| 10:13.12 | clever | it doesnt look like donglestub can really process a file, astrolabe calls a register method as lua evaluates it |
| 10:13.41 | Arrowmaster | because there is no file access in wow |
| 10:14.09 | clever | yep |
| 10:14.18 | clever | it looks like everything is stored on local Astrolabe = {}; |
| 10:14.36 | mckenziemc | hmm, is there any way to tell AceDB to 'prune' orphaned settings from a table? |
| 10:14.39 | clever | not counting dongle stub and API calls, would that garbage collect the instant you hit the end of the script? |
| 10:14.50 | mckenziemc | ie. settings that were set from a previous version but no longer used |
| 10:15.03 | Arrowmaster | mckenziemc: just nil them out |
| 10:15.20 | Arrowmaster | since you should know what the old settings in your own code are |
| 10:17.34 | mckenziemc | meh, i've added 'parasites' to other addons' savedvars before (for a script) |
| 10:17.59 | Arrowmaster | then those arent old settings |
| 10:24.08 | Lulia | It seems less efficient than having the saved vars compare against the current default table, no? |
| 10:26.07 | Arrowmaster | whats less efficient? |
| 10:27.07 | airtonix | reaching hyperspeed in less than fifty jigawatts |
| 10:27.44 | mckenziemc | airtonix: jump into a black hole |
| 10:28.05 | airtonix | need to create one first |
| 10:28.35 | Lulia | Typing out each old variable and setting it to nil versus a loop which checks the values in the db against the values in the default table and deleting the ones that are no longer there. |
| 10:29.10 | airtonix | thats what most people do |
| 10:29.26 | airtonix | for blah in myawesome_defaultdb : do lolololol |
| 10:30.09 | clever | i was thinking of doing the same to my RegisterEvent spam just to make it more compact |
| 10:30.19 | clever | would it have any effect on startup time? (either way) |
| 10:33.27 | Arrowmaster | well for acedb, if you use any kinda complex table structure with the ["*"] or ["**"] special features you can use a loop |
| 10:33.30 | Arrowmaster | cant |
| 10:33.55 | Arrowmaster | or if you set any variables that dont have a default but you want kept |
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| 10:40.53 | mckenziemc | hmm i forgot what the asterisks do |
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| 10:41.43 | mckenziemc | oh i see |
| 10:44.53 | karl_w_w | said the blind man to the deaf woman |
| 10:45.54 | zid` | someone tell trade chat to buy my epics plzkthx |
| 10:46.22 | karl_w_w | . |
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| 10:46.42 | karl_w_w | ^ that . was my dog walking on the keyboard |
| 10:47.04 | zid` | ^ that was my cat walking on karl_w_w's keyboard |
| 10:49.53 | airtonix | that was me walking on your face |
| 10:51.07 | IncognitoBlu | isn't it usually 1qw2e3r45y6u7u8i9op[-]\ when a cat walks along the keyboard ? |
| 10:51.25 | IncognitoBlu | thats one extremely articulate cat.... walks by and preseese only the . key |
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| 10:52.03 | karl_w_w | in the case of our MT it's usually lmoihug6r432 and on vent "oh shit sorry I didn't taunt guys my cat walked on the keyboard" |
| 10:53.15 | karl_w_w | which actually happened. on sindra achieve. |
| 10:54.24 | airtonix | sorry i threw the slave across the room and it accidentally the raid |
| 10:54.43 | karl_w_w | the whole raid? |
| 10:54.56 | airtonix | just your raid |
| 10:55.19 | karl_w_w | you accidentally my whole raid? |
| 10:55.25 | airtonix | wasteland defender + enclave commander |
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| 11:03.10 | zenzelezz | I don't understand why people think cats would type so many different letters |
| 11:03.20 | zenzelezz | they're more likely to just hit a few buttons repeatedly |
| 11:03.33 | airtonix | is that why |
| 11:03.35 | airtonix | your face |
| 11:03.39 | airtonix | is all scratched up |
| 11:03.49 | zenzelezz | no, that's all sexual fetishes |
| 11:04.03 | airtonix | are you a slasher? |
| 11:04.26 | zenzelezz | if my face is cut up I'd think I'd be the slashsee, but no, it's more intriguing than that |
| 11:04.36 | airtonix | no |
| 11:04.41 | airtonix | slashers cut themselves |
| 11:05.04 | zenzelezz | you would know |
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| 11:09.25 | mckenziemc | an alliance walked into my consecrate and an 85 gaurd spawned and attacked me >< |
| 11:09.51 | mckenziemc | i don't even know why a guard spawned here, i was near Alysra in hyjal but not that close |
| 11:14.50 | clever | mckenziemc: maybe it auto-spawns if you attack an alliance? |
| 11:15.07 | clever | you both happened to be in pvp and he stood in the 'fire'? :P |
| 11:16.31 | mckenziemc | yes but guards don't spawn in the middle of nowhere :) |
| 11:16.50 | mckenziemc | obviously this is'nt the middle of nowhere, however |
| 11:17.04 | Adys | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1658707111 |
| 11:17.08 | Adys | rofl |
| 11:17.36 | clever | mckenziemc: ive seen 80 guards spawn near brill when they didnt exist before |
| 11:17.45 | clever | it either didnt exist or it was uber-stealthed:P |
| 11:18.10 | zenzelezz | Adys: what am I missing? |
| 11:18.13 | Arrowmaster | they spawn when you get close to a civilian npc |
| 11:18.26 | Elkano | Adys, isn't the 5%block meta bugged, too? |
| 11:18.39 | clever | Arrowmaster: ah, the old bait and trap? :P |
| 11:19.06 | Adys | zenzelezz: rage and energy is counted out of 1000 and divided by 10 on the UI and every spell; this is blizzard putting raw values instead of the proper ones |
| 11:19.09 | Adys | hacks coming back to bite them |
| 11:19.32 | mckenziemc | hehe |
| 11:20.22 | zenzelezz | Adys: aha |
| 11:21.04 | Arrowmaster | clever: i think it was part of the way to balance the original honor system when dishonorable kills reduced your honor, if you dont kill the civi it spawns endless guards, if you kill it you loose honor |
| 11:21.28 | clever | ah |
| 11:21.58 | clever | it was the vendor south-east of brill and east of undercity, i always triggered the guard when just running down the road |
| 11:22.08 | clever | at the 3 way intersection |
| 11:23.44 | Arrowmaster | i think there were a fun humorous civi placements that made killing city leaders in 1.x and 2.x hilarious to watch the other faction attempt |
| 11:23.57 | Arrowmaster | i think one was right by the back entrance to UC |
| 11:24.13 | zenzelezz | screw those |
| 11:24.15 | Adys | i remember players farming for 14 |
| 11:24.19 | zenzelezz | I remember the civilian in Gnomeregan |
| 11:24.24 | clever | ive used the back UC entrance to discover the city, was harmless to me |
| 11:24.29 | Adys | one dishonorable kill = three weeks of farming nuked |
| 11:24.30 | zenzelezz | try keeping your 14-year-old random party member from killing him |
| 11:24.57 | clever | what counts as a civilian? |
| 11:25.11 | zenzelezz | they were marked Civilian |
| 11:25.39 | Arrowmaster | !api civilian |
| 11:25.40 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'civilian'. |
| 11:25.47 | Arrowmaster | used to be an api for it |
| 11:25.48 | zenzelezz | think there used to be one at the intersection in the middle of Wetlands too |
| 11:25.48 | Adys | that went away long, long ago |
| 11:25.53 | Adys | UnitIsCivilian() |
| 11:26.09 | Arrowmaster | well the api was around after they removed dishonorable kills |
| 11:26.24 | Adys | http://www.wowpedia.org/API_UnitIsCivilian |
| 11:26.27 | Adys | not that long ago i guess. |
| 11:26.38 | Adys | civs were around for much longer than DKs |
| 11:26.56 | Arrowmaster | i know it existed in 2.x even though dishonorable kills didnt |
| 11:27.01 | clever | and yet the function to accept exp loss hasnt been renamed |
| 11:27.05 | Adys | It was removed in patch ⤠3.1.3. |
| 11:27.06 | Adys | :p |
| 11:27.21 | clever | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/AcceptXPLoss |
| 11:27.25 | Adys | clever: why would it be? |
| 11:27.35 | clever | Adys: you dont loose exp when running it |
| 11:27.38 | Adys | ... so? |
| 11:27.41 | Adys | RENAMING a function isnt the same as deleting it |
| 11:27.49 | Adys | renaming it has backwards compatibility issues |
| 11:27.53 | Adys | deleting it is just a clean up |
| 11:27.57 | clever | yeah |
| 11:28.07 | clever | id still think they could handle something like that during a major cleanup |
| 11:28.20 | Adys | sure but its not exactly on top of the list |
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| 11:33.33 | zenzelezz | Blizzard could no doubt handle it, but why would they bother? They'd risk breaking some addons, and moreover the name of the function doesn't affect gameplay in any way |
| 11:34.16 | Arrowmaster | i think they should have changed the api functions to actually return true/false a long time ago |
| 11:34.23 | Arrowmaster | but they havent |
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| 11:35.59 | mckenziemc | zenzelezz: they break addons anyway |
| 11:36.22 | zenzelezz | mckenziemc: but generally for a better reason than "the function's name wasn't accurate" |
| 11:38.21 | mckenziemc | yeah, but if authors are expecting addons to break anyway (ie. 4.0) |
| 11:38.37 | mckenziemc | it could just be slipped in |
| 11:38.47 | clever | yeah |
| 11:39.17 | zenzelezz | of course it could, but I still think it would be stupid of them to do it when the only thing that would change was the name |
| 11:40.09 | Computerpunk | LOL I ALMOST FAINTED WHEN I SAW SOMEONE ON /2 NAMED FISKRENS. |
| 11:41.16 | Bluspacecw | he followed yous ! |
| 11:41.55 | Elkano | beware, you wouldn'r be the first one he |
| 11:41.56 | Computerpunk | :< |
| 11:42.00 | Elkano | ...he'd kill |
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| 11:42.40 | mckenziemc | hmm, this test is showing a very slight loss in performance in the time taken to call a function when the function doesn't call any upvalues but has lots defined (simulating a function in file that doesn't use many upvalues, but still has access because they were defined for use by other functions) |
| 11:43.08 | mckenziemc | .003% fewer calls within multiple 1 second tests, for the function with 50 upvalues >.> |
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| 11:43.51 | airtonix | r u proud |
| 11:43.52 | mckenziemc | obviously the performance gain from the other functions will outweigh it, but i was wondering what kind of overhead there was |
| 11:44.25 | airtonix | i wish my bios had native support for synergy |
| 11:45.34 | mckenziemc | oh wait |
| 11:45.39 | mckenziemc | i'm a fucking idiot |
| 11:45.44 | airtonix | old |
| 11:45.47 | Elkano | mckenziemc, if it's only .003%, you're sure that's not caused by something else? |
| 11:45.47 | mckenziemc | i didn't even call the functions O.o |
| 11:47.02 | mckenziemc | well i was wondering if there was any bias in the test, but aside from the fact the test didn't actually test anything, i can tell there is bias somehow |
| 11:48.25 | airtonix | Fisker |
| 11:56.12 | mckenziemc | i put the function calls in and it actually looks like it's going the other way now, but not consistently enough for me to be sure |
| 11:57.14 | mckenziemc | if i wanted to be sure i could revise the test, but i think it sufficiently shows that if there is any overhead, it's minimal compared to the performance gains of the functions that actually use the upvalues |
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| 12:00.37 | mckenziemc | ~trout repo |
| 12:00.38 | purl | ACTION slaps repo around a bit with a large trout! |
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| 12:06.10 | mckenziemc | ~addonloader |
| 12:06.22 | mckenziemc | ~lmgty addonloader |
| 12:06.40 | mckenziemc | purl, why do you hate me? |
| 12:06.40 | purl | why not? |
| 12:07.08 | Bluspacecw | O_O watched a weird music video "xmas at ground zero" |
| 12:07.36 | Arrowmaster | is that a weird al song? |
| 12:08.25 | Bluspacecw | nope |
| 12:10.14 | Arrowmaster | yes it is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t039p6xqutU |
| 12:10.54 | mckenziemc | purl, addonloader is a load manager, which can be used by addons to load them conditionally. See http://www.wowpedia.org/AddonLoader |
| 12:10.54 | purl | okay, mckenziemc |
| 12:12.08 | mckenziemc | !api UnitClass |
| 12:12.08 | lua_bot | UnitClass: Returns a unit's class (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/UnitClass) |
| 12:12.44 | mckenziemc | what would that return for a death knight? |
| 12:12.50 | mckenziemc | "DeathKnight"? |
| 12:13.17 | Arrowmaster | "Death Knight", "DEATHKNIGHT" i believe |
| 12:13.41 | airtonix | mckenziemc, ouf source tells all |
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| 12:16.02 | sylvanaar_work | all 3 are valid under cetain conditions |
| 12:16.14 | sylvanaar_work | some api's return one of the 3 |
| 12:16.22 | sylvanaar_work | i hate that |
| 12:16.27 | Arrowmaster | i have a 32GB MicroSDHC card now |
| 12:16.34 | airtonix | yours just returns "Basement Dweller" |
| 12:16.42 | Arrowmaster | things are a bitch to find |
| 12:16.52 | sylvanaar_work | amazon.com ? |
| 12:16.53 | airtonix | not cheap |
| 12:17.04 | mckenziemc | i just want to know the one that works for AddonLoader >.> |
| 12:17.09 | mckenziemc | i think i figured it out though |
| 12:17.26 | Arrowmaster | things are like $90 |
| 12:17.28 | Arrowmaster | at least |
| 12:17.33 | sylvanaar_work | $90 yeah |
| 12:17.42 | airtonix | wow |
| 12:17.54 | airtonix | fucking Harvey Normans |
| 12:17.55 | Arrowmaster | this one was $26 |
| 12:17.57 | airtonix | they charge 20$+ |
| 12:18.01 | airtonix | 200$+ |
| 12:18.14 | sylvanaar_work | try a 64GB flash drive |
| 12:18.15 | airtonix | Hardly Normal |
| 12:18.26 | sylvanaar_work | they are still around $100 |
| 12:18.48 | mitchnull | anyone got a gsub handy for stripping out embedded color escapes from a string? |
| 12:18.59 | sylvanaar_work | yes |
| 12:19.12 | airtonix | i used all mine up on your dog |
| 12:19.38 | mckenziemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:19.46 | mckenziemc | err, var as first arg |
| 12:20.17 | haste | you also want to check for color escapes missing the alpha |
| 12:20.22 | sylvanaar_work | this is my cleanup function: text:gsub("|c%x%x%x%x%x%x%x%x", ""):gsub("|r", ""):gsub("|H.-|h", ""):gsub("|h", "") |
| 12:20.37 | mckenziemc | of course, that will strip out escaped escaped codes too -- ||cffffffff |
| 12:20.44 | airtonix | <comment about your mum doing my cleaning> |
| 12:20.44 | mckenziemc | haste: the alphas are in there :p |
| 12:21.00 | haste | text:gsub("|c%x%x%x%x%x%x%x%x(.-)|r", "%1") text:gsub("|H.-|h(.-)|h", "%1") |
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| 12:21.06 | haste | is what I've been using apparently |
| 12:21.34 | airtonix | i bet you 4 dinari |
| 12:21.38 | airtonix | that Fisker shows up |
| 12:21.41 | airtonix | soon |
| 12:21.49 | mckenziemc | all of which look like they'll break on a double pipe >=O not that that's a practical issue |
| 12:22.09 | haste | why would there be double pipes? |
| 12:22.31 | mckenziemc | string.gsub(output, "\124", "\124\124") |
| 12:22.32 | sylvanaar_work | twice the fun! |
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| 12:22.39 | mckenziemc | for debugging |
| 12:22.57 | haste | I've always replaced the pipes with # |
| 12:23.03 | sylvanaar_work | text:gsub("|c%x%x%x%x%x%x%x%x", ""):gsub("|r", ""):gsub("|H.-|h", ""):gsub("|h", ""):gsub("|", "") |
| 12:23.05 | haste | and you don't need to escape it usually |
| 12:23.20 | mckenziemc | true |
| 12:24.49 | mitchnull | haste: thanks |
| 12:27.13 | mitchnull | erm, so , the "best" solution is to first replace double pipes with something "unlikely to appear otherwise", then do the gsub for |c and |r |
| 12:27.47 | mitchnull | or just don't give a damn about ||cffffffff|r |
| 12:27.55 | sylvanaar_work | ^this |
| 12:27.56 | mckenziemc | yeah |
| 12:30.26 | mckenziemc | unless you're dealing with something coming out of an addon, it's extremely unlikely you'll get that |
| 12:34.21 | airtonix | DeepSpaceGoat |
| 12:34.40 | Bluspacecow | im not deep |
| 12:38.36 | mckenziemc | ShallowSpaceGoat? |
| 12:42.06 | sylvanaar_work | Bluspacecow: are you a wowi admin? |
| 12:44.06 | Bluspacecow | nope |
| 12:44.37 | sylvanaar_work | Shirik: ping |
| 12:49.19 | haste | mitchnull: no, I replaced the pipes with # so I could print it to chat, that was the only reason behind it |
| 12:49.25 | mitchnull | lua> local text = "|cFFFF0000Red |cFF00FF00green|r and back to red.|r"; print(text:gsub("|c%x%x%x%x%x%x%x%x(.-)|r", "%1")); |
| 12:49.25 | lua_bot | mitchnull: Red |cFF00FF00green and back to red.|r, 1 |
| 12:49.48 | haste | I also only account for proper formatting with that code |
| 12:49.49 | mitchnull | meh, your thing is borked |
| 12:50.13 | haste | just gsub away everything if you don't care about it |
| 12:50.27 | mitchnull | lua> local text = "|cFFFF0000Red |cFF00FF00green|r and back to red.|r"; print(text:gsub("|c%x%x%x%x%x%x%x%x", ""):gsub("|r", "")); |
| 12:50.27 | lua_bot | mitchnull: Red green and back to red., 2 |
| 12:51.12 | mitchnull | no to decide if I should move this thing to a function or keep it inline for performance... |
| 12:51.14 | clever | seems wow is creating textures are a much higher rate then i expected |
| 12:51.25 | clever | the WINEDEBUG log spams so much it harms performance |
| 12:51.33 | mitchnull | s/no/now/ |
| 12:51.43 | clever | only when logged in however, its pretty idle when at the login screen or character select page |
| 12:51.53 | haste | mitchnull: only worry about it if it is an issue |
| 12:52.13 | mitchnull | dunno which would be more readable... the code is pretty horrid as is now... |
| 12:52.36 | clever | now to test GL |
| 12:52.38 | haste | what's your goal? |
| 12:52.59 | mitchnull | strip plugin supplied text coloring (LDB thing) |
| 12:53.19 | mitchnull | but only if requested |
| 12:53.29 | haste | then just use the one without captures |
| 12:53.42 | mitchnull | so, something like text = strip and text:gsub(...) or text |
| 12:55.25 | haste | or just do if(strip) then text = text:gsub() end |
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| 12:56.27 | mitchnull | it's inside a SetFormattedText() |
| 12:56.42 | haste | you can do it before the call, no? :P |
| 12:57.25 | haste | doesn't get peoples obsession with "tenary" operators in lua. |
| 12:58.51 | mitchnull | haste: the code is a friggin huge nested conditional ;) |
| 12:59.35 | mitchnull | but yeah, I'll move the gsub out of the thing |
| 13:02.39 | clever | Arrowmaster: opengl is just too slow to really use over d3d |
| 13:06.31 | wereHamster | clever: is that why the mac client is so slow? |
| 13:08.31 | airtonix | hoho |
| 13:08.31 | Adys | clever: What? |
| 13:08.41 | airtonix | brah |
| 13:08.44 | clever | i'm running it under wine |
| 13:08.54 | airtonix | so what makes you think |
| 13:08.59 | Adys | the wow opengl client is shite |
| 13:09.09 | Adys | but that has nothing to do with opengl |
| 13:09.16 | airtonix | also |
| 13:09.17 | Adys | and a lot more to do with the opengl client being deprecated |
| 13:09.23 | clever | wine is translating all d3d calls to gl calls |
| 13:09.25 | Adys | mac has gll and windows has d3d |
| 13:09.53 | Bluspacecow | gll is just a different version of the open GL engine ... it still uses open gl |
| 13:09.59 | haste | wine doesn't do an awesome job at the translation |
| 13:10.01 | clever | Adys: ah, so wine could just be making better use of gl then wow |
| 13:10.04 | haste | it has "some" overhead |
| 13:10.11 | Adys | when i say "opengl", i mean the actual gxapi "opengl", Bluspacecow |
| 13:10.11 | clever | still does better then 'native' gl in wwo |
| 13:10.14 | Adys | i know gll is opengl |
| 13:10.32 | Fisker | hey haste |
| 13:10.36 | Fisker | it's brrrrr |
| 13:10.44 | Adys | clever: what do you mean? |
| 13:10.53 | clever | Adys: Wow.exe -opengl is 12fps |
| 13:11.03 | clever | d3d being translated to gl by wine is 20fps |
| 13:11.07 | Adys | whats your graphic card and the driver versions? |
| 13:11.18 | clever | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Quadro NVS 135M (rev a1) |
| 13:11.32 | Adys | .. quadro? |
| 13:11.35 | Adys | are you serious? :P |
| 13:11.42 | airtonix | i lol'd |
| 13:11.49 | Bluspacecow | me too |
| 13:11.51 | Bluspacecow | lolz |
| 13:12.02 | haste | native gl gives more fps here than d3d clever |
| 13:12.04 | haste | by.. a lot |
| 13:12.13 | clever | this is the best system i have |
| 13:12.21 | clever | much better then anything else |
| 13:12.34 | airtonix | even i get more fps than your mum |
| 13:12.52 | clever | airtonix: are you aware that she is 6 feet under? |
| 13:13.04 | airtonix | hides |
| 13:13.36 | clever | i was trying gl due to an error d3d was having |
| 13:13.54 | clever | it seems to over-allocate texture memory and then run out |
| 13:14.04 | Adys | clever: opengl does that too |
| 13:14.07 | Fisker | stop hating me haste |
| 13:14.13 | Adys | clever: it just does it slower. its two issues with wow and one with wine |
| 13:14.22 | airtonix | 4 dinari please |
| 13:14.32 | Adys | sec |
| 13:14.39 | airtonix | my paypal account is |
| 13:14.44 | airtonix | fisker@gmail.com |
| 13:15.01 | clever | Adys: yeah, ive read the wine code and it returns out of mem |
| 13:15.03 | clever | id expect wow to handle it gracefully |
| 13:15.13 | airtonix | Fisker, your tax return this year will be difficult :) |
| 13:15.14 | Adys | its a common issue on windows. |
| 13:15.31 | clever | guess its not wine's fault |
| 13:15.34 | Fisker | how so airtonix ? |
| 13:15.42 | Adys | clever: http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=24826 |
| 13:15.44 | airtonix | unexplained income |
| 13:15.57 | Fisker | only unexplained if i explain it's unexplained |
| 13:15.58 | airtonix | how will you explain 4 dinari? |
| 13:16.04 | Fisker | also that's not my paypal |
| 13:16.28 | clever | Adys: is it a sign of a good healer that i can heal while browsing that site? :P |
| 13:16.36 | airtonix | Im sure Boris will enjoy your soap slipping antics |
| 13:16.53 | airtonix | Ho ho ho, fisker you naughty boy |
| 13:16.53 | Adys | clever: No |
| 13:17.01 | clever | uh oh |
| 13:17.02 | clever | somebody asked whats that crystal doo |
| 13:17.05 | clever | another said lets find out |
| 13:17.10 | clever | now i have agro:P |
| 13:17.13 | airtonix | Fisker, In russia, Boris fiskers you! |
| 13:17.51 | Fisker | also airtonix |
| 13:18.01 | Fisker | your mother |
| 13:18.37 | clever | they keep triggering more rookery welps |
| 13:18.43 | haste | nice, spambot whispering me html |
| 13:18.52 | haste | that's a new one |
| 13:19.14 | Adys | [13:14:22] <clever> Adys: is it a sign of a good healer that i can heal while browsing that site? :P |
| 13:19.14 | Adys | [13:14:47] <Adys> clever: No |
| 13:19.14 | Adys | [13:15:04] <clever> now i have agro:P |
| 13:19.17 | clever | haste: ive had phishing emails, that used MIME extensions to deliver it in plaintext and html |
| 13:19.23 | Adys | gotta love it. |
| 13:19.29 | airtonix | i lol'd |
| 13:19.34 | clever | due to the use of <a href=evil>www.blizzard.com</a> |
| 13:19.41 | clever | the plain text version linked to the right site:P |
| 13:20.16 | clever | phishing fail:P |
| 13:20.28 | Fisker | naw haste |
| 13:20.29 | Fisker | old |
| 13:20.36 | Fisker | [12:21:53][W:From] [Tdxbmfvdjv]: <html> <head> <title>???????</title> <style> body {font-family:"Verdana";font-weight:normal;font-size: .7em;color:black;} p {font-family:"Verdana";font-weight:normal;color:black;margin-top: -5px} b { |
| 13:20.43 | haste | yes that one Fisker |
| 13:20.49 | Fisker | look at the timestamp |
| 13:20.51 | clever | Adys: still healing, no deaths:P |
| 13:20.56 | Bluspacecow | .... |
| 13:20.57 | haste | that's what you get for playing on RC |
| 13:20.59 | Fisker | hey Bluspacecow |
| 13:21.09 | Fisker | you should play on RC haste :( |
| 13:21.21 | Fisker | i miss you so |
| 13:21.23 | airtonix | hoho |
| 13:21.32 | airtonix | hear that haste |
| 13:21.35 | airtonix | he misses you |
| 13:21.37 | haste | :D |
| 13:21.46 | airtonix | you degenerates |
| 13:21.50 | haste | cba to transfer Fisker ! |
| 13:22.03 | airtonix | worse than greeks |
| 13:22.13 | airtonix | beware of grinning greeks! |
| 13:22.53 | clever | Adys: does the error have anything to do with video settings or just the lenght of the session? |
| 13:23.06 | Adys | clever: yes and no |
| 13:23.20 | Adys | clever: limit your view distances and it'll come slower |
| 13:23.27 | clever | feels like its related to the dumb idea that frames and textures can never be deleted |
| 13:23.44 | Adys | it's not. |
| 13:24.09 | Adys | UI memory is managed separately from video memory |
| 13:24.13 | clever | long-running and poorly made addons may make textures alot and not release it |
| 13:24.19 | Adys | and this error is due to leaks in video memory |
| 13:24.26 | mckenziemc | ~fiskers |
| 13:24.26 | purl | ACTION fiskerly fiskers Fisker's fisker fisker-fiskers. |
| 13:24.40 | fictive | sint fisker |
| 13:25.00 | Fisker | are we talking about the ui disappearing and game halting to a grind-error Adys ? |
| 13:25.12 | Adys | No |
| 13:25.15 | Adys | just an OOM crash |
| 13:25.21 | clever | UI and random polygons |
| 13:25.24 | Fisker | well it does that too :P |
| 13:25.29 | clever | if i face the right direction, it sometimes comes back |
| 13:25.41 | Adys | OOM crashes can come in a thousand different flavours |
| 13:25.41 | Fisker | i used to have in dalaran where dalaran basically just disappeared, along with my UI |
| 13:25.44 | Adys | its not one specific error |
| 13:25.46 | clever | yesterday it was fairly consistant, ui and floor, but not walls |
| 13:25.48 | mckenziemc | lua> print(GetTime, os.time) |
| 13:25.48 | Fisker | then i had like 5 FPS until the game crashed |
| 13:25.49 | lua_bot | mckenziemc: nil, function: 0x8eb1510 |
| 13:25.57 | mckenziemc | lua> print(os.time) |
| 13:25.58 | lua_bot | mckenziemc: function: 0x871d510 |
| 13:26.03 | clever | Fisker: sounds similar |
| 13:26.06 | mckenziemc | lua> print(os.time()) |
| 13:26.07 | lua_bot | mckenziemc: 1293196732 |
| 13:26.12 | clever | Fisker: windows? |
| 13:26.24 | Fisker | yeah |
| 13:26.31 | airtonix | fisker doesn't know how to use anything else |
| 13:26.33 | clever | then its not wine's fault alone |
| 13:26.35 | Adys | lua> os.time() == os.time() |
| 13:26.36 | lua_bot | Adys: true |
| 13:26.51 | Adys | lua> a=os.time(); os.time() == a |
| 13:26.51 | lua_bot | Adys: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near '==' |
| 13:27.01 | Fisker | airtonix uses underpants because he doesn't know how to use lingerie |
| 13:27.01 | clever | Adys: it could cheat and use the timestam the statement began to eval at |
| 13:27.07 | Adys | lua> a=os.time(); print(os.time() == a) |
| 13:27.07 | lua_bot | Adys: true |
| 13:27.11 | airtonix | Fisker, this is true |
| 13:27.22 | clever | or its just too fast and not acurate enough |
| 13:27.39 | clever | ad a delay loop maybe |
| 13:27.44 | Fisker | there was some posts about it on the old forums |
| 13:27.45 | mckenziemc | what would happen if i did 'stop = os.time() + 100; while os.time() < stop end' |
| 13:27.55 | mckenziemc | would it actually freeze up or break early >.> |
| 13:28.00 | Adys | lua> stop = os.time() + 100; while os.time() < stop end |
| 13:28.01 | lua_bot | Adys: luabot:1: 'do' expected near 'end' |
| 13:28.01 | clever | mckenziemc: the entire UI hardlocks until delay is over |
| 13:28.04 | clever | mckenziemc: no frames render, no nothing |
| 13:28.11 | Adys | lua> stop = os.time() + 100; while os.time() < stop do end |
| 13:28.14 | mckenziemc | clever: i'm talking about lua_bot |
| 13:28.16 | lua_bot | Adys: Your code exceeded set CPU limits |
| 13:28.18 | mckenziemc | i know wow does that |
| 13:28.19 | Adys | there |
| 13:28.26 | clever | mckenziemc: ah, then it may just not respond until its done |
| 13:28.26 | mckenziemc | hehe |
| 13:28.30 | clever | posibly ping out |
| 13:28.43 | clever | depends on what protections it has |
| 13:28.54 | mckenziemc | i didn't want to try it in fear of overloading it >< |
| 13:29.02 | clever | firefox's JS engine can run a safety function every X statements |
| 13:29.14 | clever | which then detects long running scripts and asks to kill it |
| 13:29.35 | clever | lua_bot may be capable of similar |
| 13:29.52 | mckenziemc | yeah, with which my download manager's plugin does not play nicely |
| 13:30.06 | Adys | [13:26:10] <lua_bot> Adys: Your code exceeded set CPU limits |
| 13:30.08 | Adys | do you read? :p |
| 13:30.17 | airtonix | no |
| 13:30.18 | mckenziemc | he was distracted :p |
| 13:30.20 | airtonix | sorry |
| 13:30.32 | airtonix | please forgive my insolence |
| 13:30.34 | clever | so am i, healing between words still:P |
| 13:30.50 | mckenziemc | lua> adys == cat |
| 13:30.51 | lua_bot | mckenziemc: true |
| 13:30.52 | clever | uh oh, this is the boss that yells something about get the healer:P |
| 13:31.16 | mckenziemc | lua> crate == ocean |
| 13:31.17 | lua_bot | mckenziemc: true |
| 13:31.28 | Bluspacecow | hehe |
| 13:31.30 | clever | lua> nil == crate |
| 13:31.31 | lua_bot | clever: true |
| 13:31.45 | mckenziemc | lua> purl == retard |
| 13:31.46 | lua_bot | mckenziemc: true |
| 13:32.03 | clever | little different from mysql |
| 13:32.04 | clever | even null |
| 13:32.06 | clever | null is never equal to anything |
| 13:32.11 | mckenziemc | lua> liar == honest |
| 13:32.12 | lua_bot | mckenziemc: true |
| 13:32.27 | clever | lua> time == money |
| 13:32.28 | lua_bot | clever: true |
| 13:32.44 | mckenziemc | lua> this_sentence == a_lie |
| 13:32.44 | lua_bot | mckenziemc: true |
| 13:33.03 | clever | lol |
| 13:33.07 | clever | the boss just yelled fools, kill the one in the dress |
| 13:33.14 | clever | i think he was refering to me, and its not a dress |
| 13:34.21 | clever | blackrock stadium i think is the room |
| 13:36.25 | clever | ok maybe that was too much |
| 13:36.32 | clever | leveling inscription while healing:P |
| 13:36.33 | sylvanaar_work | i loved ubrs |
| 13:37.40 | airtonix | burs |
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| 13:41.53 | clever | Adys: i'll read the wine bug more once i have a chance and maybe get back to you |
| 13:42.10 | Fisker | Bluspacecow |
| 13:42.26 | Bluspacecow | raawwwrrr |
| 13:42.45 | Adys | clever: all it says is that opengl engine slows the memory leak down, reducing view distances too, turning shadows off as well |
| 13:43.06 | clever | oops, i died |
| 13:43.42 | mckenziemc | >.> |
| 13:43.43 | clever | the WINEDEBUG log was showing me total/free memory |
| 13:43.47 | clever | that would help |
| 13:44.05 | clever | i'll have to patch it to not need WINEDEBUG, because it killed the fps |
| 13:45.14 | Fisker | Bluspacecow |
| 13:45.23 | Bluspacecow | yes ? |
| 13:45.33 | Bluspacecow | did you kill a dog today ? |
| 13:45.53 | Fisker | merry christmas hoho |
| 13:46.26 | Bluspacecow | :) |
| 13:47.06 | clever | Fisker: didnt santa get sue'd for calling a woman a ho ho ho? :P |
| 13:47.16 | Fisker | i'm not santa |
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| 13:47.31 | clever | you still called somebody a ho twice:P |
| 13:47.48 | clever | i turn my back on wow for a second and a dps vanishes... |
| 13:48.06 | Bluspacecow | worgens in top hats look so dapper |
| 13:48.14 | Wobin | Merry Christmas all |
| 13:48.23 | Wobin | Happy Holidays |
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| 13:52.30 | Bluspacecow | bah humbug |
| 13:52.37 | Bluspacecow | ~fiskerslap Bluspacecow |
| 14:00.24 | Fisker | Bluspacecow |
| 14:02.38 | mckenziemc | fisker |
| 14:02.46 | Fisker | haste |
| 14:02.53 | Fisker | when will you upload butsu to curse? |
| 14:02.56 | Fisker | mckenziemc |
| 14:03.02 | mckenziemc | mastery |
| 14:03.12 | Fisker | dicks |
| 14:03.27 | haste | never Fisker ! |
| 14:05.51 | Computerpunk | fiskerdin |
| 14:08.32 | Fisker | Computerpunk |
| 14:08.36 | Fisker | also haste |
| 14:08.44 | haste | also Fisker |
| 14:08.46 | Fisker | sometimes the butsu windows get inappropiately long |
| 14:08.48 | Fisker | just like my penis |
| 14:08.49 | Computerpunk | Fisker, best start for retisker. |
| 14:09.14 | haste | Fisker: yeah I've seen it, just haven't had time to deal with it |
| 14:09.52 | Fisker | just like my penis? |
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| 14:12.39 | Kraps | hows your mom Fisker |
| 14:12.50 | clever | if i'm healing in my balance spec, does that mean the tank is over-geared? :P |
| 14:13.10 | clever | or could i be overgeared |
| 14:13.57 | Kraps | btw Fisker |
| 14:14.11 | Kraps | wowinterface > curse |
| 14:14.22 | Fisker | no Kraps |
| 14:14.22 | Kraps | ducks and covers |
| 14:14.24 | clever | yeah i'm liking wowi more |
| 14:14.34 | Kraps | yes Fisker |
| 14:15.06 | foxlit | But wowi isn't bribing me with free books? :( |
| 14:15.09 | Fisker | no Kraps |
| 14:15.11 | Computerpunk | foxlit, <- |
| 14:15.16 | Kraps | yes Fisker |
| 14:15.20 | Fisker | no Kraps |
| 14:15.23 | Kraps | yes Fisker |
| 14:15.27 | Fisker | no Kraps |
| 14:15.29 | Kraps | yes Fisker |
| 14:15.40 | Fisker | no Kraps * infinity |
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| 14:15.51 | clever | yes yes yes no yes yes yes! :P |
| 14:15.53 | Kraps | yes Fisker * infinity + 1 |
| 14:16.07 | Fisker | doesn't work that way Kraps |
| 14:16.34 | Kraps | dont make me divide by 0 Fisker |
| 14:16.55 | sylvanaar_work | what is 0 divide by 0 |
| 14:17.06 | sylvanaar_work | 1? |
| 14:17.13 | cncfanatics | Fisker! |
| 14:17.16 | cbreak | not allowed |
| 14:17.18 | cncfanatics | whacks Fisker with a mozzarella stick |
| 14:17.23 | Fisker | you still exist cncfanatics? |
| 14:17.27 | cncfanatics | Yes, I do |
| 14:17.28 | cbreak | divisions by zero are not legal in mathematics |
| 14:17.30 | sylvanaar_work | lua> 0/0 |
| 14:17.31 | lua_bot | sylvanaar_work: nan |
| 14:17.44 | Fisker | :o |
| 14:17.46 | sylvanaar_work | i like nan, its good with curry |
| 14:17.49 | cbreak | nan stands for Not a Number |
| 14:17.57 | Kraps | will you get arrested by the math police? |
| 14:18.37 | sylvanaar_work | lua> 1^0 |
| 14:18.37 | lua_bot | sylvanaar_work: 1 |
| 14:18.41 | sylvanaar_work | thats what it was |
| 14:18.53 | sylvanaar_work | lua> 0^0 |
| 14:18.54 | lua_bot | sylvanaar_work: 1 |
| 14:19.21 | sylvanaar_work | its been a long time since college |
| 14:19.47 | sylvanaar_work | isnt there another nan |
| 14:19.49 | Kraps | hey newegg, wheres you chat thingy? |
| 14:19.50 | sylvanaar_work | qnan |
| 14:19.52 | sylvanaar_work | or something |
| 14:19.57 | airtonix | Fisker, making friends i see. |
| 14:20.01 | airtonix | don't drop the soap |
| 14:20.15 | sylvanaar_work | lua> qnan |
| 14:20.15 | lua_bot | sylvanaar_work: nil |
| 14:20.18 | sylvanaar_work | we |
| 14:20.30 | sylvanaar_work | lua> nan |
| 14:20.31 | lua_bot | sylvanaar_work: nil |
| 14:20.38 | sylvanaar_work | how do you express nan in lua? |
| 14:21.00 | Kraps | lua> penis |
| 14:21.00 | lua_bot | Kraps: nil |
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| 14:21.06 | Kraps | :( |
| 14:21.15 | sylvanaar_work | lua> size_of_penis |
| 14:21.16 | lua_bot | sylvanaar_work: nil |
| 14:21.16 | airtonix | NaN ? |
| 14:21.26 | sylvanaar_work | lua> NaN |
| 14:21.26 | lua_bot | sylvanaar_work: nil |
| 14:21.33 | airtonix | you use is_number |
| 14:21.36 | airtonix | or |
| 14:21.41 | airtonix | some kind of casting |
| 14:22.07 | airtonix | i assume |
| 14:22.13 | sylvanaar_work | ok, this will be funny |
| 14:22.23 | airtonix | no it won't |
| 14:22.24 | sylvanaar_work | lua> tonumber(1/0) |
| 14:22.24 | lua_bot | sylvanaar_work: inf |
| 14:22.34 | sylvanaar_work | lua> tonumber(0/0) |
| 14:22.34 | lua_bot | sylvanaar_work: nan |
| 14:22.38 | sylvanaar_work | hahaha |
| 14:23.12 | airtonix | i once turned fisker into a number |
| 14:23.27 | sylvanaar_work | lua> tonumber(1/0)-1 |
| 14:23.28 | lua_bot | sylvanaar_work: inf |
| 14:23.40 | airtonix | infinity minus one is still |
| 14:23.48 | sylvanaar_work | lua> 2^tonumber(1/0) |
| 14:23.49 | lua_bot | sylvanaar_work: inf |
| 14:23.51 | airtonix | you can't subtract from god |
| 14:24.12 | sylvanaar_work | lua> 1/0 / 1/0 |
| 14:24.13 | lua_bot | sylvanaar_work: inf |
| 14:24.20 | sylvanaar_work | that seems wrong |
| 14:24.38 | foxlit | the spaces do nothing, sylv. |
| 14:24.47 | sylvanaar_work | lua> (1/0) / (1/0) |
| 14:24.48 | lua_bot | sylvanaar_work: nan |
| 14:24.55 | sylvanaar_work | that still seems wrong |
| 14:24.57 | sylvanaar_work | should be 1 |
| 14:25.00 | foxlit | bs. |
| 14:25.03 | sylvanaar_work | no? |
| 14:25.04 | foxlit | infinity != infinity |
| 14:25.11 | sylvanaar_work | well thats dumb |
| 14:25.19 | Computerpunk | It's not. |
| 14:25.21 | foxlit | well |
| 14:25.25 | Computerpunk | Mathematical Analysis. |
| 14:25.30 | foxlit | (2 / 0) / (1/0) |
| 14:25.33 | foxlit | Should be two, then? |
| 14:25.40 | Computerpunk | n^2 / n is not 1 |
| 14:25.53 | sylvanaar_work | no inf/inf shouls be 1 imo |
| 14:26.15 | sylvanaar_work | again, math class was a long time ago |
| 14:26.23 | A-KO | hmm, time to order me some maple syrup :P |
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| 14:26.31 | airtonix | you assume you are able to deduce the quantity of infinity |
| 14:26.36 | airtonix | YOU ARE NOT |
| 14:26.49 | airtonix | foolish mortal |
| 14:26.53 | sylvanaar_work | http://www.philforhumanity.com/Infinity_Divided_by_Infinity.html |
| 14:26.54 | sylvanaar_work | HA |
| 14:26.59 | sylvanaar_work | pwnt |
| 14:27.34 | sylvanaar_work | 1+1 = 1 |
| 14:27.36 | sylvanaar_work | see i told you |
| 14:28.15 | foxlit | You told us that what you told us leads to contradictions in basic arithmetic? |
| 14:28.17 | airtonix | did you make it past grade 1 |
| 14:28.36 | sylvanaar_work | no |
| 14:28.43 | airtonix | imposter |
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| 14:39.57 | Adys | dolby, Cairenn|afk, here? |
| 14:40.01 | Cairenn|afk | yes |
| 14:40.19 | Adys | wasnt there a wowi client? a friend is asking me and i dont use this sort of thing |
| 14:40.23 | Adys | i googled but cant find it |
| 14:40.40 | airtonix | minion? |
| 14:40.45 | Cairenn|afk | yes |
| 14:40.46 | sylvanaar_work | Cairenn|afk: how do I take over a project so I can update it? |
| 14:40.48 | airtonix | a spawn of shirik |
| 14:40.50 | Cairenn|afk | http://minion.mmoui.com/ |
| 14:41.03 | Adys | wth |
| 14:41.09 | Adys | this really needs better google ranking :P |
| 14:41.10 | airtonix | indeed |
| 14:41.13 | Adys | thanks |
| 14:41.35 | Cairenn|afk | sylvanaar_work: you have the original author PM me telling me that you are taking it over, and giving me a link to both it and to your profile |
| 14:41.55 | Cairenn|afk | Adys: the link for it is on both the community tab and the addon tab |
| 14:42.41 | Adys | dunno cairenn, ive been googling wowinterface client, wowinterface addon client and so on, only found some old third party downloaders |
| 14:42.43 | airtonix | don't listen to the imposter |
| 14:42.48 | airtonix | he can't even do 1+1 |
| 14:43.02 | Cairenn|afk | Adys: that's because WoWI isn't in the name |
| 14:43.05 | Cairenn|afk | MMOUI |
| 14:43.11 | Adys | yeah it makes sense |
| 14:43.18 | Cairenn|afk | because we're hoping that some day it will work for all of our sites, not just WoWI |
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| 14:43.50 | Fisker | you could always call it WoWI until it does |
| 14:43.51 | Fisker | hoho |
| 14:44.00 | Fisker | brrrs |
| 14:44.20 | airtonix | Die peasant |
| 14:44.44 | airtonix | Spawner of imposters |
| 14:44.46 | Cairenn|afk | but yeah, Adys, next time you're looking for it, there are links for it on the site itself |
| 14:44.59 | Adys | Cairenn|afk: pah, links, who uses those :P |
| 14:45.04 | airtonix | Users |
| 14:45.05 | Cairenn|afk | heh |
| 14:46.04 | Adys | Cairenn|afk: add wowinterface in meta description and in a couple of rel= in links to minion.mmoui and the ranking should bump in no time for wowinterface client |
| 14:46.14 | Cairenn|afk | yeah |
| 14:46.16 | Fisker | airtonix |
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| 14:46.31 | Fisker | do you want to be famous airtonix ? |
| 14:46.35 | airtonix | No |
| 14:46.52 | Fisker | it's kind of a rhetorical question |
| 14:46.55 | airtonix | My intention is to misdrect the spotlight onto you |
| 14:46.57 | Fisker | kills airtonix |
| 14:51.38 | cncfanatics | kills Fisker |
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| 14:56.50 | airtonix | begins re-assembly |
| 15:00.43 | cncfanatics | burns all of airtonix' parts |
| 15:01.01 | Fisker | i once brr'd |
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| 15:15.37 | TisL | Hello all, I have small questions regarding building addons |
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| 15:26.03 | airtonix | Fisker will accommodate your queries |
| 15:37.16 | foxlit | "grep: favicon.ico: No such file or directory" |
| 15:37.31 | foxlit | ls favicon.ico ==> "favicon.ico" o.O |
| 15:37.48 | foxlit | ah, it's a symlink. |
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| 15:47.50 | cncfanatics | symlinks foxlit to Fisker |
| 15:48.13 | Thrae | ls -al FTW |
| 15:48.32 | foxlit | on the other hand, why doesn't grep just follow the symlink? |
| 15:48.51 | cncfanatics | it should |
| 15:49.03 | Thrae | Depends on what type of link it is |
| 15:49.14 | zid` | hardlink it if you care so much |
| 15:49.19 | zid` | or invoke grep in the proper way |
| 15:49.40 | Thrae | What are you grep'ing inside an .ico file? |
| 15:49.55 | foxlit | It's grep foo * |
| 15:50.04 | Thrae | Ah |
| 15:52.36 | foxlit | what is the "proper way," I wonder. |
| 15:52.46 | zid` | man grep |
| 15:52.46 | Adys | using ack |
| 15:52.49 | zid` | /symlink |
| 15:52.57 | zid` | or /link |
| 15:53.01 | Thrae | Or find |
| 15:53.09 | zid` | find, wat? |
| 15:53.10 | foxlit | zid`: "pattern not found." Please do try again. |
| 15:54.29 | zid` | -S |
| 15:55.07 | foxlit | grep: invalid option -- S |
| 15:55.31 | zid` | you on a mac or something? |
| 15:55.51 | foxlit | "grep (GNU grep) 2.5.1" is the answer to the question you /should/ be asking |
| 15:56.12 | zid` | -H ? |
| 15:56.23 | zid` | that might be recursive I forget |
| 15:56.47 | airtonix | you shouldn't use ackis |
| 15:56.52 | zid` | my man page features several references to symbolic links, -H -S and -R |
| 15:56.52 | airtonix | his addons are terribad |
| 15:57.03 | foxlit | -H is "Print the filename for each match." |
| 15:57.16 | foxlit | You might've been looking for -s, but that just hides the error message. |
| 15:57.30 | foxlit | grep --version, I wonder? :) |
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| 15:57.56 | zid` | 2.5.3 |
| 15:58.32 | zid` | 2.5.1 is erm, 2004? |
| 15:59.59 | foxlit | And apparently the most recent is 2.7 |
| 16:00.23 | zid` | 2.5.3 isn't even my one, it was just the closest machine I had access to |
| 16:00.30 | zid` | I'm rebooted into windows to play starcraft 2 presently :P |
| 16:01.49 | foxlit | http://www.gnu.org/software/grep/manual/grep.html doesn't mention symbolic links at all :( |
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| 16:18.58 | Lulia | hi |
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| 16:23.45 | Ackis | airtonix: wot? |
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| 16:43.42 | sarpedon1 | Does anyone know what event gets fired when a druid shapeshifts? I'm not finding anything in the wowwiki events list. |
| 16:44.27 | Lulia | You should find something |
| 16:45.03 | Lulia | Try looking under U |
| 16:47.43 | sarpedon1 | Ah, UPDATE_SHAPESHIFT_FORM that sounds promising. Thanks :) |
| 16:48.09 | Lulia | I tend to use wowprogramming to look for my events, since they're all on one page |
| 16:48.25 | Lulia | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events |
| 16:48.25 | foxlit | [of course, http://www.wowpedia.org/Events_A-Z_(Full_List) ] |
| 16:48.32 | Lulia | shhhhhhh |
| 16:48.38 | Lulia | You can also... |
| 16:48.42 | Lulia | !api SHAPESHIFT |
| 16:48.42 | lua_bot | Found 12 possible results for 'SHAPESHIFT': GameTooltip:SetShapeshift, UPDATE_SHAPESHIFT_USABLE, GetShapeshiftForm, GetShapeshiftFormInfo, GetShapeshiftFormID, UPDATE_SHAPESHIFT_COOLDOWN, GetShapeshiftFormCooldown, UPDATE_SHAPESHIFT_FORMS, CastShapeshiftForm, UPDATE_SHAPESHIFT_FORM, GetNumShapeshiftForms, CancelShapeshiftForm |
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| 16:49.35 | Lulia | Hmm, I dont see that link on the Events page, foxlit, am I blind? |
| 16:50.02 | Lulia | Ah, there it is |
| 16:50.07 | Lulia | It's very small |
| 16:50.23 | sarpedon1 | Where can you do !api SHAPESHIFT? |
| 16:50.31 | Lulia | It's a bot in this channel |
| 16:50.34 | sarpedon1 | Ah neat |
| 16:50.44 | Lulia | So you just begin the line with !api <stuff you want to search for> |
| 16:50.51 | Lulia | Try it out |
| 16:50.58 | sarpedon1 | Wow I'm dumb, I missed that the bot responded, thought you copyed and pasted. |
| 16:51.32 | Lulia | I've done much "dumb"er things, I wouldn't really call it dumb. I like to think of it as blissfully unaware. |
| 16:51.36 | Lulia | Also, your 1 is showing! |
| 16:53.49 | zid` | ello Lulia |
| 16:54.23 | Lulia | Hey, zid` |
| 16:55.02 | sarpedon1 | Yeah I should probably change my name sometime, but I use IRC so infrequently ;/ |
| 16:55.15 | Lulia | ./nick sarpedon |
| 16:55.19 | sarpedon1 | Thanks for the help, things look like they are working now. |
| 16:55.41 | sarpedonisalread | Too long haha |
| 16:58.01 | fictive | !api dot |
| 16:58.01 | lua_bot | DoTradeSkill: Performs a trade skill recipe (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/DoTradeSkill) |
| 16:58.17 | Lulia | ;) |
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| 16:59.35 | fictive | hurr |
| 16:59.47 | fictive | any ideas on how to track a DOT? :) |
| 17:00.45 | Lulia | !api Periodic |
| 17:00.45 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'Periodic'. |
| 17:01.11 | Lulia | What do you want to do, exactly? See when it ticks? |
| 17:01.55 | Lulia | http://www.wowpedia.org/API_COMBAT_LOG_EVENT |
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| 17:01.58 | fictive | I want to expand my starsurge thingie to show when I need to refresh moonfire and/or natures swarm too :) |
| 17:02.18 | Lulia | Oh, so you just want to see if it's not on the target? |
| 17:02.27 | Lulia | ~api UnitAura |
| 17:02.28 | purl | !api UnitAura |
| 17:02.28 | lua_bot | UnitAura: Returns information about buffs/debuffs on a unit (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/UnitAura) |
| 17:02.29 | foxlit | oh damn. |
| 17:02.34 | vichama | Morning |
| 17:02.41 | foxlit | curse you, bindings! |
| 17:03.07 | fictive | Lulia: that's right =) |
| 17:04.15 | vichama | Does anyone know how to get the name of someone who whispers you? |
| 17:04.44 | Lulia | Well, those two links should have you covered. Just note that buffs/debuffs are often referred to as "Auras" by Blizzard and dots and hots are "Periodic" |
| 17:04.48 | cbreak | vichama: it's part of the event's arguments |
| 17:05.10 | fictive | I think you're right, Lulia, that call looks like all I need :) |
| 17:05.12 | fictive | thanks again |
| 17:05.25 | fictive | unit can be "target", right? |
| 17:05.36 | Lulia | Of course |
| 17:05.48 | fictive | and I'm guessing the same for "focus"? =) |
| 17:05.57 | Lulia | Yes |
| 17:06.02 | fictive | great |
| 17:06.44 | vichama | It won't let me use arg2 for target on a sendchatmessage |
| 17:07.30 | cbreak | vichama: so? |
| 17:07.43 | cbreak | what's arg2? |
| 17:09.03 | vichama | Thought arg2 was the sender, arg1 the message |
| 17:09.21 | cbreak | what do you define those variables to be? |
| 17:09.33 | cbreak | it's your decision how to call them. |
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| 17:12.25 | vichama | I had thought that those 2 were predefined when I used OnEvent |
| 17:12.55 | Lulia|AFK | The event returns ... |
| 17:12.58 | cbreak | that is incorrect |
| 17:13.07 | Elkano | arg* aren't set anymore since 4.x |
| 17:13.20 | cbreak | you have to define parameters |
| 17:13.35 | cbreak | event arguments are passed to event handlers |
| 17:13.59 | Elkano | I think the only case where you get your args set if you define the code within xml |
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| 17:14.19 | Elkano | ...set is if... |
| 17:14.50 | vichama | Ah, so how would I define a variable as the sender |
| 17:15.02 | cbreak | parameter |
| 17:15.11 | cbreak | do you know how to create a function? |
| 17:15.16 | cbreak | one with parameters? |
| 17:15.21 | vichama | Yeah |
| 17:15.25 | cbreak | then do it |
| 17:16.20 | cbreak | first arg is probably the frame, then the event type, then maybe the sender name or the message, or vice versa. |
| 17:16.23 | cbreak | just read the docs |
| 17:17.00 | Lulia|AFK | Since the second argument is the author, according to the docs, it would be the 4th argument you need to define |
| 17:17.22 | Lulia|AFK | Banks need to utilize their websites more. I have no way of knowing whether or not mine is closed unless I call :( |
| 17:17.24 | Lulia|AFK | I hate phones |
| 17:17.32 | cbreak | I bet one gold that the second argument is not the author:) |
| 17:17.56 | cbreak | all event handlers I know have the first two arguments frame and event type |
| 17:18.06 | Lulia|AFK | The second one returned from the event, which is why I said it was the 4th you needed to define |
| 17:18.15 | cbreak | events don't return stuff |
| 17:18.16 | Lulia|AFK | Or did you ignore most of what I said and read only what you wanted to? |
| 17:18.19 | cbreak | they are one-way |
| 17:18.24 | Lulia|AFK | ... |
| 17:18.39 | Lulia|AFK | function(frame, event, msg, author) (see, number 4) |
| 17:18.46 | Lulia|AFK | Don't be contrary just to be contrary |
| 17:19.00 | Lulia|AFK | I said number 4 |
| 17:19.03 | Lulia|AFK | You just refused to read |
| 17:19.23 | cbreak | I am trying to fix the inaccuracies and misunderstandings so that he does not learn them. |
| 17:19.34 | Lulia|AFK | You're debating semantics |
| 17:19.40 | cbreak | yes. |
| 17:19.47 | Lulia|AFK | It's irrelevant |
| 17:19.47 | cbreak | because programming is about semantics |
| 17:19.55 | Lulia|AFK | Part of it is |
| 17:19.57 | Lulia|AFK | Not all of it |
| 17:20.03 | cbreak | the rest is syntax. :) |
| 17:20.25 | Lulia|AFK | You simply didn't read what I wrote, admit it |
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| 17:20.42 | cbreak | I read what you wrote as much as you read what I wrote |
| 17:20.46 | Lulia|AFK | I said the 4th one, but as soon as you saw "2nd" you thought I was wrong and didn't read the rest. |
| 17:21.01 | Lulia|AFK | Instead of having the presence of mind to actually read all of it |
| 17:21.22 | cbreak | I've said it before, and I can repeat it for you: |
| 17:21.31 | cbreak | the documentation is inacurate |
| 17:21.54 | Lulia|AFK | Then it's either 3 or 4, but I never said it was 2 |
| 17:21.58 | Lulia|AFK | So stop being asinine |
| 17:22.22 | cbreak | it's inacurate because it does not mention the first two parameters |
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| 17:23.00 | Lulia|AFK | It doesn't need to, those are assumed since they happen in every event handler. |
| 17:23.23 | Lulia|AFK | You have your frame, then your event, and then anything else that the event gives you comes after |
| 17:24.17 | Lulia|AFK | So essentially, assuming that their numbers are correct, you just add 2 to the value of their argument and that's the number of the argument that you're looking for. So if they say it's arg2 then it will be the 4th argument you need to define. |
| 17:24.38 | Lulia|AFK | Now, if the documentation is specifically wrong there, then it should probably be fixed. |
| 17:25.10 | vichama | Ah, kk |
| 17:25.22 | cbreak | it's incomplete because it does not mention all parameters. You have to think of them yourself |
| 17:26.11 | Lulia|AFK | It's inefficient to mention for every event that you also need to define the frame and the event in your arg list |
| 17:26.21 | Lulia|AFK | That can be covered elsewhere, such as in handling of events |
| 17:26.24 | Lulia|AFK | Which it does |
| 17:26.45 | cbreak | unfortunately, vichama didn't read that part |
| 17:26.53 | cbreak | so telling him seemed like good form. |
| 17:27.07 | Lulia|AFK | Yes, and I told him when I made my statement too |
| 17:27.12 | Lulia|AFK | Hence why I said the 4th argument |
| 17:27.48 | Lulia|AFK | (12:17:27 PM) cbreak: I bet one gold that the second argument is not the author |
| 17:27.52 | Lulia|AFK | I never said it was |
| 17:27.56 | Lulia|AFK | I said the 4th one would be. |
| 17:28.01 | cbreak | So I win my bet. |
| 17:28.03 | cbreak | excellent. |
| 17:28.06 | Lulia|AFK | ... |
| 17:28.12 | Lulia|AFK | If you bet yourself, I suppose |
| 17:28.22 | cbreak | no one else dared to bet against me? |
| 17:28.26 | Fisker | so Kaelten |
| 17:28.33 | Fisker | why doesn't auto updates work on curse client? |
| 17:29.56 | Thunder_Child | they do |
| 17:33.46 | Fisker | they don't do here |
| 17:34.30 | Elkano | sucks to be you then |
| 17:42.30 | fictive | !unitinfo |
| 17:42.35 | fictive | !api unitinfo |
| 17:42.35 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'unitinfo'. |
| 17:42.43 | fictive | !api unit |
| 17:42.44 | lua_bot | Found 199 possible matches for 'unit'. Please be more specific |
| 17:42.47 | fictive | : D |
| 17:43.08 | cbreak | just type google.com into your browser and search that way... |
| 17:43.36 | fictive | hehe |
| 17:45.12 | Thrae | Fisker: Are you running WoW.exe directly instead of Launcher.exe? |
| 17:45.41 | Fisker | why would that matter Thrae ? |
| 17:46.48 | Thrae | Fisker: Instead of connecting to the Internet whenever it pleases, the Curse Client may just check whenever you run Launcher.exe and update then, as it'll have time. But if you're already in WoW.exe then it can't update. |
| 17:47.57 | Kraps | "Hell, I'm sure I've wasted at least a half hour listening to the expansion's soundtrack, which has more character than many of the players I've met." |
| 17:48.05 | Fisker | well Thrae i don't :o |
| 17:48.48 | Fisker | anyway why call it "check every x minutes" if it only checks when i open the launcher? |
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| 17:54.05 | Elkano | Fisker, I'm pretty sure it does periodical checks, too... but maybe only if it has focus? ;) |
| 17:57.02 | Fisker | that would be pretty awful |
| 17:57.16 | Fisker | anyway it appears it does work, but then it suddenly errors and never retries again |
| 17:57.24 | Fisker | atleast if i'm reading this log right |
| 17:57.31 | Kraps | Bibi: i dont even http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/ |
| 18:01.04 | Elkano | Bibi, shouldn't you add a note for how long the curse premium is? (I guess 1 month) |
| 18:01.26 | Fisker | maybe it's PERMANENT? |
| 18:02.13 | Fisker | anyway |
| 18:02.45 | Fisker | atleast i can whine about his competition because it tells people to say "merry christmas" |
| 18:02.52 | Fisker | zomg political correctness |
| 18:07.34 | zid` | who was that guy talking about mashing iceblock to cancel it quickly? |
| 18:10.50 | Lulia | ? |
| 18:11.09 | Adys | Arrowmaster was |
| 18:17.11 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu |
| 18:18.54 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: hmm? |
| 18:19.20 | Kraps | whats up |
| 18:19.54 | Thunder_Child | not much |
| 18:20.06 | Thunder_Child | just trying to work through some of the games i have been buying |
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| 18:24.50 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: other stuff is available now |
| 18:25.28 | Kraps | steam does that thing where they change it every day |
| 18:25.33 | Kraps | >.< |
| 18:26.54 | Elkano | get the Overlord pack! |
| 18:27.07 | Kraps | have it |
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| 18:29.52 | Shirik | Spawn more overlords |
| 18:31.41 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: only thing i'm going to be getting are the borderlands packs |
| 18:31.49 | Thunder_Child | s/packs/DLC/ |
| 18:33.17 | Kraps | MY GOD http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UqEhUm2B_8&feature=player_embedded |
| 18:33.44 | Adys | Terrible |
| 18:33.52 | Thunder_Child | yes my child? |
| 18:34.19 | Kraps | Adys: wrong |
| 18:35.46 | Adys | Kraps: it is terrible |
| 18:35.49 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: no |
| 18:35.51 | Adys | here |
| 18:35.54 | Adys | have something better |
| 18:35.55 | Adys | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RfC-MO6hBw |
| 18:36.04 | Thunder_Child | whats rather amusing is they have a 'zombie consultant' |
| 18:36.26 | Kraps | Adys: meh |
| 18:36.44 | Adys | Why am I linking you stuff, you don't have any sense of taste |
| 18:36.54 | Adys | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCcOXVA7ABA |
| 18:38.56 | Kraps | ok that was funny |
| 18:39.27 | Adys | I'm investing $10000 into having one installed at home |
| 18:40.36 | Thunder_Child | you wish you had that kind of money for something like that |
| 18:41.12 | Adys | Actually, I wish I had the room to get it installed =/ |
| 18:41.40 | Adys | Low ceilings just don't raise themselves these days |
| 18:42.21 | Kraps | you need an intense party to raise the roof |
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| 18:55.23 | Lulia | hugs Seerah. |
| 18:55.29 | Seerah | hugs Lulia |
| 18:55.38 | Lulia | How are you? |
| 18:56.10 | Seerah | oh, fine. you? |
| 18:56.17 | Lulia | Hungry >.> |
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| 18:58.34 | Seerah | we just finished a big lunch of potato soup and bread |
| 18:58.44 | Seerah | huggles indie |
| 18:58.48 | Lulia | Oh man, that sounds good right now. |
| 19:00.18 | industrial | This method https://gist.github.com/40597e887dfc99237964 |
| 19:00.24 | industrial | gives me en error when I first log in. |
| 19:00.35 | industrial | It doesn't happen on subsequent relogs and/or reloads |
| 19:00.48 | Shirik | what's the error? |
| 19:01.13 | industrial | its on GetSpellInfo |
| 19:01.16 | Seerah | perhaps you're calling the function before talent information is available? |
| 19:01.19 | Seerah | hmm |
| 19:01.27 | industrial | I'm calling it after PLAYER_LOGIN |
| 19:01.39 | Shirik | try PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD |
| 19:01.49 | industrial | k |
| 19:02.00 | Shirik | PLAYER_LOGIN doesn't happen on relogs does it? |
| 19:02.06 | Shirik | er, reloads |
| 19:02.15 | Shirik | or do I have thsoe backwards |
| 19:02.17 | Seerah | don't think so... but don't remember |
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| 19:02.22 | Seerah | PEW happens often |
| 19:02.26 | industrial | k |
| 19:02.41 | Shirik | yeah but PEW has the benefit of guaranteeing that everything is ready |
| 19:02.44 | Shirik | !api PLAYER_LOGIN |
| 19:02.44 | lua_bot | PLAYER_LOGIN: Fires immediately before `PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD` on login and UI reload (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/PLAYER_LOGIN) |
| 19:02.46 | Lulia | How expensive are table values? For instance, I like to often organize values into like-categories. ex: sometable.show.someframe = true; sometable.show.otherframe = true; as opposed to sometable.showsomeframe = true; sometable.showotherframe = true; But, if it's dreadfully inefficient... |
| 19:02.48 | Shirik | heh |
| 19:02.55 | Shirik | "immediately before" |
| 19:02.59 | Shirik | I wonder if that's actually true |
| 19:03.46 | industrial | Lulia: it probably won't matter unless you are accessing/running the code more then once a second (say in an onupdate or timer) |
| 19:04.20 | Lulia | In which case I want to minimize table usage? |
| 19:04.26 | Seerah | yeah, it usually depends on how often you are accessing that information and how deep your tables are (as well as what method is easier to access the information) |
| 19:05.12 | Seerah | according to http://www.wowpedia.org/Events_that_fire_during_the_loading_process#Saved_variables_loading use PLAYER_ALIVE if PEW is too early, indie |
| 19:05.32 | Lulia | P_A only fires on a /reload though, I believe |
| 19:05.37 | Lulia | Or when you die |
| 19:05.42 | Lulia | And come back |
| 19:05.49 | Lulia | I don't think it fires on log-in |
| 19:06.03 | Shirik | gotta go |
| 19:06.05 | Shirik | byes |
| 19:06.10 | Lulia | bye, Shirik |
| 19:06.12 | foxlit | [you have a problem if you're logging in while dead] |
| 19:07.05 | Lulia | :P |
| 19:07.27 | Seerah | foxlit: nah... sometimes I die and give up on a quest til later ;) |
| 19:07.43 | Seerah | deciding to take a break |
| 19:07.57 | industrial | Having RL relationships with people that don't understand what multiplayer games and situations where you can't move from your pc are sucks.. (like instances...) |
| 19:08.00 | Seerah | or if you lag out/get DC'ed and the mob kills you |
| 19:08.09 | Lulia | ^ |
| 19:08.15 | Lulia | That's always fun |
| 19:09.33 | foxlit | Seerah: hence relying on PLAYER_ALIVE to initialize things is troublesome. |
| 19:09.58 | Seerah | I was just going off of hte wiki ;) |
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| 19:22.14 | foxlit | Wonder why they killed /lfr at 85 |
| 19:22.39 | Lulia | No one on my server ever used it |
| 19:29.12 | tekkub | Cairenn|afk: https://img.skitch.com/20101224-drdcwi8y3jfnbwfkditgf7yarf.jpg |
| 19:29.24 | tekkub | why is this a tiny astrisk tacked on? |
| 19:29.30 | tekkub | are you ashamed of this? |
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| 19:37.27 | ChaosInc | so I have a small problem that someone may be able to help with |
| 19:37.52 | Lulia | ? |
| 19:38.18 | ChaosInc | They stuck my sorry ass at the snack bar to pick up hours since we won't get busy at our convention center til after the new year |
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| 19:39.11 | ChaosInc | Do I a) stick my head in the dryer or b) grab some random tourist and/or foreigner and dip their head instead? |
| 19:39.43 | ChaosInc | Dryer = fryer (stupid phone) |
| 19:42.11 | Lulia | You could give me food >.> |
| 19:43.18 | ChaosInc | Lol sure. Come on over :P |
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| 19:44.20 | ChaosInc | Can't wait til I'm done with my certs. Go get a real fucking job and leave this brain numbing bullshit behind. |
| 19:44.44 | Lulia | I'm working at a Deli right now just to catch up on bills |
| 19:44.56 | Lulia | Then I have to figure out what I'm going to do with my degree and my life |
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| 19:47.29 | AndChat- | God dammit |
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| 19:49.19 | ChaosInc | stupid Nickserv |
| 19:49.39 | ChaosInc | Anyways, I'm in the same boat |
| 19:50.36 | Lulia | :( |
| 19:51.35 | ChaosInc | I'm literally just making precooked shit to temp and sticking it under warming lamps. |
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| 19:53.02 | Lulia | I get to do some cooking :P |
| 19:53.28 | Lulia | But I also have to stand for 5-8 hours at a time (depending on a shift), clean, etc... |
| 19:53.39 | Lulia | And I don't get to use my phone or anything like that if it gets quiet |
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| 20:03.33 | ChaosInc | We're not supposed to have our phones either. I just don't give a shit |
| 20:03.40 | Lulia | :P |
| 20:03.52 | Lulia | Sadly they watch us with a camera |
| 20:04.15 | ChaosInc | So do they here. |
| 20:04.54 | Lulia | fun |
| 20:04.57 | ChaosInc | I'm now waving at it while I'm typing ;) |
| 20:05.12 | Lulia | Well, they're a bit more strict about it here I suppose |
| 20:06.04 | Lulia | I'm rewriting my entire AddOn to be more efficient/use less code |
| 20:06.12 | Lulia | But it feels like I'm using the same amount of code >.> |
| 20:07.01 | ChaosInc | Difference is that I work at a large hotel/resort. They don't have time to deal with little shit like that |
| 20:07.41 | Lulia | I work at a small deli in a local convenience store |
| 20:07.50 | ChaosInc | Which one is that? |
| 20:07.59 | Lulia | It's local :P |
| 20:08.57 | Thunder_Child | ChaosInc: is a stalker, just give in |
| 20:09.10 | Thunder_Child | s/:/// |
| 20:09.27 | foxlit | The quality of graphics in James Bond: Blood Stone trailers puzzles me |
| 20:09.48 | Lulia | "Bob's Famous Foodmart" |
| 20:24.00 | ChaosInc | I was actually asking about the add-on douche :P |
| 20:24.12 | Lulia | Oh :P |
| 20:24.20 | Lulia | Power Bars is the only one I have right now |
| 20:24.28 | bleeter | is there a way I can punch Great-father Winter in the face for being a cheap bastard this year? |
| 20:24.38 | Mischanix | s///// let's mess it all up while we're here. |
| 20:24.43 | ChaosInc | Thunder, that is |
| 20:25.38 | ChaosInc | That was fun. 4 people who apparently come for their whole families wiped out my food in literally 10 sec. |
| 20:26.45 | Mischanix | ~s/[^\n]/a/ |
| 20:26.59 | ChaosInc | Nothing makes my day that getting asked "do you have more of this" by the next 6 people in line |
| 20:27.23 | Lulia | Hmm, for documentation purposes I think I might refer to specs in a default variable, like DRUID_BALANCE = 1 sort of thing, but I don't want to make them global, in case of conflict. I could put them in my AddOn table, but then I have to refer to it as PowerBars.DRUID_BALANCE which seems silly |
| 20:27.56 | ChaosInc | Why would that be silly? |
| 20:28.07 | Lulia | It's not all caps! |
| 20:28.13 | Mischanix | PowerBars.Specs["DRUID"][1] |
| 20:28.37 | Lulia | Actually, hmm, since I have a defaults category it would be: PowerBars.defaults.DRUID_BALANCE |
| 20:28.50 | ChaosInc | Then just add a comment to keep track of what the number is supposed to mean |
| 20:29.02 | Mischanix | 1 = GetActiveTalents or whatever |
| 20:29.05 | Mischanix | !api talent |
| 20:29.06 | lua_bot | Found 43 possible matches for 'talent'. Please be more specific |
| 20:29.16 | Lulia | It's GetPrimaryTalentTree() ;) |
| 20:29.20 | Mischanix | ^ that |
| 20:29.26 | Lulia | I already know the function and how to use it |
| 20:29.33 | Lulia | I'm just trying to make my code more readable |
| 20:30.12 | ChaosInc | As long as you can read it what does it matter? Not likely someone else is gonna read it |
| 20:30.33 | Lulia | Plus there's the whole "static numbers are bad" theory, like, if for some reason they decided they wanted to make Balance druids the third talent tree I'd have to change all the numbers, but if I used a default value I would change it once and it would change for every reference to it |
| 20:31.01 | ChaosInc | So make a local table for it |
| 20:31.10 | Lulia | In every file? |
| 20:31.30 | Lulia | Hmm, I have an idea |
| 20:31.37 | ChaosInc | No, in one file. Just load it before the rest in the top |
| 20:31.41 | ChaosInc | Toc |
| 20:31.52 | Lulia | toc? |
| 20:31.53 | Mischanix | {DRUID = {"BALANCE", "FERALCOMBAT", "RESTORATION"},...} if you wanna be difficult. |
| 20:32.04 | ChaosInc | Same as you would if you were localizing |
| 20:32.13 | Mischanix | In your .toc file the file listed first is ran first by the game |
| 20:32.36 | ChaosInc | Then it can be used in the rest of your files |
| 20:32.42 | Lulia | Right but anything local to that first file is local only to that file, not the rest of the AddOn |
| 20:32.47 | Mischanix | Therefore any data there you put into the addon table |
| 20:32.51 | Mischanix | is usable by the other files |
| 20:33.07 | Mischanix | Ty znaesh? |
| 20:33.10 | Lulia | My plan was to put it into the AddOn table. I said I had an idea :P |
| 20:34.39 | Mischanix | Woot, I just created 3000 coroutines on an ITEM_LOCK_CHANGED. |
| 20:38.27 | Adys | that's... interesting |
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| 20:38.41 | Adys | trying to mail http://www.wowhead.com/item=52074 gives me the error "Cannot mail items with a limited duration" |
| 20:39.50 | Lulia | :P |
| 20:39.57 | bleeter | trying to stab Great-father Winter gives me the error "You cannot attack that target" |
| 20:40.20 | Adys | its a client-side limitation for that item |
| 20:40.23 | Adys | which makes no sense |
| 20:41.03 | Lulia | Apparently it can't be vendored either |
| 20:41.12 | Adys | so? |
| 20:41.12 | Arrowmaster | bleeter: why you trying to stab me? http://arrowmaster.net/screens/WoWScrnShot_121508_072723.jpg |
| 20:41.21 | Adys | it just has a 0 copper sell price |
| 20:41.33 | Lulia | Adys: So they might have intentionally just tried to make it completely useless |
| 20:41.39 | Lulia | Including not being able to mail it |
| 20:41.44 | bleeter | Arrowmaster: HAND OVER THE LOOT ALREADY |
| 20:41.46 | Adys | that doesnt matter |
| 20:41.58 | Adys | how does it throw that error if it doesnt have a duration |
| 20:42.37 | Lulia | I imagine it's a flag on the item as opposed to actually checking to see if there's a duration, so an item without a duration could be flagged as having one |
| 20:42.40 | Adys | flags 0x10000, 0x2000 |
| 20:42.51 | Adys | you make no sense |
| 20:42.52 | bleeter | Arrowmaster: next against the wall are the commoners making gags like 'wonder what GFW will bring me this year' |
| 20:42.54 | Xinhuan | why were you trying to mail wet sand??? |
| 20:43.07 | bleeter | I'll tell you what he'll bring you, a bucket of fail! |
| 20:43.37 | bleeter | Xinhuan: trying to set off some biochemical scare at the destination, prolly |
| 20:44.38 | Arrowmaster | hmm overlord complete pack on steam for $3, but i already have it all on 360 |
| 20:45.33 | Adys | 0x10000 is a bunch of pvp shit |
| 20:45.38 | bleeter | Wobin: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1658707500#1 |
| 20:45.53 | Adys | anything refundable |
| 20:47.05 | Adys | ugh yeah this makes no sense |
| 20:47.24 | Lulia | Report it then? |
| 20:47.28 | Lulia | Don't know what to tell you |
| 20:47.42 | Xinhuan | Sam and Max 106: <strikeout>$0.99</strikeout> $4.49 |
| 20:47.44 | Xinhuan | hahaha steam |
| 20:48.13 | Fisker | southshore fossil field should be removed from the game |
| 20:48.30 | Kraps | :o http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/146350/game-masters |
| 20:48.32 | Xinhuan | oh its 8.99 :/ |
| 20:48.38 | Xinhuan | looked like a 0.99 with the line through it |
| 20:48.53 | Fisker | ownt |
| 20:49.08 | Fisker | who would ever have thought a game was $0.99 before a sale lol'd |
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| 20:50.09 | Xinhuan | i've seen mistakes before |
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| 20:52.00 | Xinhuan | hmm |
| 20:52.11 | Xinhuan | sam and max 9.99 for 5 games |
| 20:54.05 | Fisker | you are a bad man Xinhuan |
| 20:54.25 | Arrowmaster | ok checked todays steam deals, now to check todays XBL deals |
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| 20:56.01 | ChaosInc | One more hour to go. Then on to the second level of hell: in-law family dinner.... thing |
| 20:56.27 | Lulia | I wish I could be eating >.> |
| 20:57.01 | Xinhuan | wwwwwwwww |
| 20:57.43 | ChaosInc | You work in a deli. Make a sandwich |
| 20:58.49 | Lulia | I'm not at work right now |
| 20:58.55 | Lulia | And those things cost money :P |
| 20:59.25 | bleeter | lol kids starting to rage they can't do the [he knows if you've been naughty] achievement haha |
| 20:59.57 | Lulia | Hmm, I wonder if I can use loadstring() in order to save the variable name of frames as a string and reference it later |
| 21:00.24 | ChaosInc | Then go to your fridge |
| 21:01.13 | ChaosInc | better: o.O? |
| 21:01.27 | ChaosInc | bleeter* |
| 21:01.52 | Lulia | Anyone know whether or not loadstring can be used for that purpose? |
| 21:02.38 | bleeter | ChaosInc: it's not started on oceanics |
| 21:03.04 | bleeter | ChaosInc: previous year's it's been 'sensitive' to us being so far ahead, we get presents early. this year, nada. |
| 21:03.15 | haste | Lulia: you can just use local name = frame:GetName() and _G[name] to access it later on |
| 21:03.25 | haste | Lulia: do note that not all frames actually have a name |
| 21:03.26 | bleeter | hence i wanna punch 'great father summer' in the face haha |
| 21:04.14 | Lulia | haste: Well, these are frames I'm not naming, and I've been told to avoid _G if possible |
| 21:05.04 | foxlit | Nothing good can ever come of "Oh hey, I'm going to optimize this code now!" |
| 21:05.59 | Lulia | Here's the specific dilemma. Currently I store my own frame's locations if they're moved, and their default positions as well. I just store point, relative point, x offset and y offset because storing frames can be troublesome. However, being able to reference the frame that it's relative to would be useful for a number of reasons. |
| 21:06.00 | haste | Lulia: saving globals is what you should avoid, accessing already exposed globals aren't an issue |
| 21:06.30 | Lulia | Well apparently telling the code to go looking through _G is an expensive and lengthy operation |
| 21:06.38 | haste | no |
| 21:06.43 | haste | fuck whoever said that |
| 21:06.47 | foxlit | ^ |
| 21:06.50 | Lulia | So I guess the question is whether or not it's more expensive than calling loadstring() |
| 21:07.03 | haste | calling loadstring is more expensive than accesing something through )_G |
| 21:07.12 | haste | and whatever else the person told you, ignore it] |
| 21:07.13 | Lulia | Hmm |
| 21:07.35 | ChaosInc | ^^ |
| 21:07.50 | Lulia | they told me to upvalue API calls if I use them more than once, because each call has to look through _G and accessing the local is quicker :P |
| 21:07.54 | ChaosInc | lol |
| 21:08.28 | foxlit | Look, the "ZOMG GLOBAL ACCESS TIME!" stance is pathological. |
| 21:08.44 | Lulia | I have control over these frames, so I can afford to name them. Well, all the frames except UIParent |
| 21:09.03 | Lulia | But I assume UIParent is named "UIParent" in _G |
| 21:09.08 | haste | why would you want to save position of UIParent? |
| 21:09.09 | haste | and yes |
| 21:09.11 | Lulia | Framestack seems to suggest that |
| 21:09.14 | Lulia | Not the position |
| 21:09.20 | Lulia | For reference in relative to |
| 21:09.26 | haste | when you name a frame, that is created as a global reference to it |
| 21:09.41 | ChaosInc | in all reality, the performance difference is negligible |
| 21:10.07 | Lulia | Well normally I don't name them, so most of my frames are table references |
| 21:10.28 | haste | then you have something else you can tie them together with |
| 21:10.31 | Lulia | Like right now, if I hover over one of them it's <2> table: 0BFED118 |
| 21:10.36 | haste | like.. their purpose |
| 21:10.38 | Lulia | But I can give them a name |
| 21:10.46 | haste | you don't have to, but it doesn't really matter tbh |
| 21:11.15 | haste | In oUF_MovableFrames I save position based on style and unit for example |
| 21:11.18 | Lulia | Using the name is necessary to refer to it in _G, no? I won't know what the table reference is |
| 21:11.41 | haste | if you can't access it any other way, then you'd have to use a name |
| 21:11.52 | haste | or enumrate all frames, but that is actually expensive |
| 21:12.08 | Lulia | That's what I'll do then, it's not like I'm creating a billion frames and naming them |
| 21:12.22 | Lulia | The named frames are just the ones I need to possible position against |
| 21:13.10 | haste | just save the frames in a local table? |
| 21:13.21 | haste | that way you can access it by the table reference |
| 21:13.36 | haste | or save it by the purpose it was created |
| 21:13.45 | haste | it all depends on how unique they are really |
| 21:13.49 | Lulia | I do, already, the issue is storing the name of a frame that I might be positioning in relation to |
| 21:13.59 | Lulia | I don't want to save the frame in my saved vars, just the name |
| 21:14.12 | Lulia | Trust me, simply naming the frames seems to be my best bet here. |
| 21:14.55 | haste | you can't really save the frame in your saved variables |
| 21:15.06 | haste | you can save the table containing the frame, but not the userdata which is the frame |
| 21:15.24 | haste | I don't trust anyone, but as mentioned earlier, naming the frames isn't really an issue |
| 21:16.01 | Lulia | Your point only solidifies mine |
| 21:16.10 | Lulia | I can't save the frame, so saving some reference to it is best |
| 21:16.36 | Iriel | You can really use any description of layout that makes sense, it doesn't have to be by name |
| 21:17.33 | Lulia | In my specific case it probably has to be by name, but it's difficult to explain |
| 21:17.38 | Iriel | As long as the functions and relative positions are maintained from session to session, the frames making them up can be whatever they need to be |
| 21:17.50 | Iriel | You can decouple |
| 21:17.50 | Arrowmaster | omg this looks awesome, im going to have to try it out https://gist.github.com/752727 |
| 21:17.50 | Iriel | ' |
| 21:17.57 | Iriel | "Frame Name" from "Frame Id" if it helps |
| 21:18.10 | Iriel | where the frame id has meaning to your code, but is just stored as part of the frame it's assigned to |
| 21:18.32 | Iriel | That's pretty flexible especially if the population of ID's changes over time and you want to reuse pools of frames |
| 21:24.32 | Lulia | I should prefix my global names though, right? So as to avoid pollution |
| 21:24.37 | mono|strigoy | hey guys, got a question here: is there a way to replace global LOOT_ROLL_WON string with the appropriate LOOT_ROLL_WON_NO_SPAM_GREED or LOOT_ROLL_WON_NO_SPAM_NEED for the given roll without disabling the detailed loot info? |
| 21:24.53 | Lulia | err, not pollution, confusion or whatever |
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| 21:26.02 | haste | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:26.13 | haste | you prefix to avoid collision |
| 21:27.30 | Lulia | PB should be a safe prefix :) |
| 21:27.45 | Iriel | PitBull would shorten to PB |
| 21:27.52 | Lulia | No idea, mono|strigoy, sorry |
| 21:27.57 | Lulia | Oh, does PitBull use PB? Hmm |
| 21:28.03 | Iriel | I dont know if it does |
| 21:28.03 | Lulia | I guess I'll have to be not lazy :P |
| 21:28.11 | Iriel | I was making the point that 2 letter prefixes aren't a great idea |
| 21:28.17 | Iriel | unless your addon has a 2 letter name I suppose |
| 21:28.29 | Lulia | It's PowerBars, I could do PowB to be lazy |
| 21:28.53 | haste | typing it that one time is going to be horrendous! :P |
| 21:29.08 | Lulia | hush you |
| 21:30.04 | erlik | hi guise! I just went through 4 irc-nets looking for this channel, and finally found you! |
| 21:30.16 | Lulia | We're here! |
| 21:30.22 | erlik | thats all, my mission is now complete...just carry on |
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| 21:34.35 | foxlit | Okay, so PvP is an exercise in frustration |
| 21:35.53 | mono|strigoy | the thing is that for now I can't think of another solution rather than to determine the type of roll via parsing the chat (on CHAT_MSG_LOOT event) and then replacing the LOOT_ROLL_WON string with the appropriate NO_SPAM version, but that would cause taint issues, wouldn't it? |
| 21:38.42 | haste | not if you do it through the chat message api which I can't remember the function name of |
| 21:39.41 | haste | ChatFrame_AddMessageEventFilter, look it up in the frame xml |
| 21:40.10 | Arrowmaster | just replace the globals |
| 21:40.24 | Arrowmaster | thats the only sane way to do it |
| 21:41.50 | mono|strigoy | haste: that would require localization and I'd rather avoid it :) But if it's the only way... |
| 21:42.00 | haste | that used to crash the client when you surpressed arguments Arrowmaster |
| 21:42.10 | haste | and no, you could build a pattern based on the global |
| 21:42.19 | mono|strigoy | Arrowmaster: but if you replace them all the time for each roll pretty much, that would taint and block the add-on I think |
| 21:42.20 | Arrowmaster | it did? lol |
| 21:42.32 | Arrowmaster | it shouldnt taint anything |
| 21:42.58 | Arrowmaster | well i would taint but nothing important |
| 21:43.06 | Arrowmaster | so no problems |
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| 21:53.01 | Arrowmaster | omfg @ this scene in the world god only knows 12 |
| 21:53.20 | Arrowmaster | it would put a 40 character multiboxer to shame |
| 21:57.13 | Shirik | Cide, I have decided I love the Sweedish language |
| 21:57.18 | Shirik | because "Nya" is an actual word |
| 21:57.35 | Cide | Shirik, indeed it is! |
| 21:57.44 | Lulia | What does it mean? |
| 21:57.51 | Arrowmaster | why does it mean and is it better than Nyaa? |
| 21:57.58 | Cide | "[the] new" |
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| 21:58.41 | Lulia | It's a noun form of a new? |
| 21:59.06 | haste | nya skivor -> new CDs |
| 21:59.27 | Lulia | Hmm |
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| 21:59.58 | industrial | Apparently ACTIVE_TALENT_GROUP_CHANGED is happening before PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD |
| 22:00.00 | industrial | and also |
| 22:00.12 | industrial | if it's the first login after I launch wow |
| 22:00.21 | Shirik | mot nya äventyr |
| 22:00.35 | industrial | GetMajorTalentTreeBonuses(GetActiveTalentGroup(), false, false) will return nil |
| 22:00.41 | Cide | "toward new adventures" |
| 22:01.30 | industrial | I'm very curious as to why I cannot get talent API after ACTIVE_TALENT_GROUP_CHANGED |
| 22:02.55 | industrial | I'm trying to decide wether to load my addon, I want it to only work when a certain spec is active. I'm sure someone has already done this but I'm getting this error :s |
| 22:03.23 | industrial | https://gist.github.com/96f74c423613e4233898 |
| 22:03.44 | mono|strigoy | haste: and no, you could build a pattern based on the global -- hmm, thank you for the advice, gotta think that over. Though I hardly understand how can I include additional ...err 'fields' into the new pattern, i.e. "%1$s won: %3$s |cff818181(Need - %2$d)|r" ... I guess that has to be done with defining those varriables via parsing the loot info, gotta read up on that one in lua api :) |
| 22:04.46 | haste | you have to write your own converter, like %d -> (%d+%.?%d*) |
| 22:05.14 | mono|strigoy | I see |
| 22:05.22 | haste | screw me, that's %f, not %d |
| 22:10.07 | foxlit | "Shake it like a sine wave, baby!" |
| 22:10.11 | foxlit | This quest is awesome |
| 22:10.31 | Cide | shake it like a polaroid picture |
| 22:10.31 | mono|strigoy | haste: ahh, think I got it now, thanks |
| 22:10.45 | zid` | erm, not having 'continue' is doing my nut in |
| 22:12.00 | Cide | ... |
| 22:12.03 | Cide | are you serious? |
| 22:12.25 | zid` | very |
| 22:12.38 | Cide | several exremely easy solutions |
| 22:13.19 | industrial | Is there a good way besides GetMajorTalentTreeBonuses to decide someone's current spec? |
| 22:13.53 | zid` | you can't put points into a spec you're not in without taking 31 in a tree |
| 22:13.57 | zid` | so it's perfect, no? |
| 22:14.14 | industrial | it's returning nil on first login |
| 22:14.52 | industrial | after ACTIVE_TALENT_GROUP_CHANGED which is before PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD, and it also does so after that second event |
| 22:15.06 | industrial | it works fine if I /reload after that and it runs again on PEW |
| 22:15.30 | Lulia | GetPrimaryTalentTree() |
| 22:15.34 | Lulia | Will tell you their spec |
| 22:15.50 | Lulia | !api GetPrimaryTalentTree |
| 22:15.51 | lua_bot | GetPrimaryTalentTree: Returns the index of a character's primary talent tree. (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetPrimaryTalentTree) |
| 22:16.22 | industrial | thanks |
| 22:16.26 | Lulia | 1,2, or 3. 0 if no talent tree is set. |
| 22:17.00 | Lulia | The info isn't loaded until some time around PLAYER_LOGIN it seems, it's certainly not there on ADDON_LOADED |
| 22:17.41 | industrial | I was using GetSpellInfo(GetMajorTalentTreeBonuses(GetActiveTalentGroup(), false, false)) == 'Lava Lash' |
| 22:17.56 | Lulia | :P |
| 22:18.21 | Lulia | A simple look on wowprogramming or wowpedia would have given you the right answer! |
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| 22:18.47 | drag0nius | hello |
| 22:18.55 | drag0nius | is someone of u familiar with batch files? ;d |
| 22:19.26 | industrial | Lulia: yeah as if I hadn't done that for the api i used :p |
| 22:19.56 | Lulia | A search for "Talent" and running through all of the instances of it on the page would have turned it up |
| 22:19.59 | zid` | I wrote the stupidest addon ever, thanks bliz! |
| 22:20.04 | industrial | yesyesyes |
| 22:20.06 | industrial | i know |
| 22:20.12 | Lulia | zid: why? |
| 22:20.16 | industrial | how browser search works |
| 22:20.20 | zid` | Lulia: their retarded average ilvl calculator |
| 22:20.33 | zid` | that includes random crap in your bags from priests that you're going to DE |
| 22:20.38 | Lulia | industrial: Then I don't get why you missed it! |
| 22:20.42 | zid` | if it exists in the UI, I want it to *work* |
| 22:20.45 | industrial | I don't either! |
| 22:21.29 | zid` | so I replaced it with http://codepad.org/MBLQlNl3 |
| 22:21.45 | zid` | btw, can you use stats associatively? |
| 22:21.52 | zid` | 'stats' in that code I mean |
| 22:21.55 | zid` | I don't actually know lua |
| 22:22.23 | foxlit | "that includes member:random crap in your bags from priests that you're going to DE" << usually random crap in your bags that you're going to DE won't affect your average item level. |
| 22:22.41 | zid` | it does. |
| 22:22.56 | Lulia | Should only affect it in an upwards fashion |
| 22:22.58 | zid` | the armory even lists both |
| 22:23.02 | foxlit | Then you, sir, have very sucky gear. |
| 22:23.14 | zid` | foxlit: No, I just haven't had the trinket drop form heroic stonecore yet :P |
| 22:23.19 | zid` | I'm 350.58 average ilvl |
| 22:23.21 | zid` | without raiding |
| 22:23.23 | zid` | pretty sucky |
| 22:24.01 | foxlit | Then the 318 trash in your bags doesn't matter at all. |
| 22:24.15 | zid` | darkmoon cards do and would though |
| 22:24.33 | Lulia | would and do* |
| 22:24.48 | zid` | and my 316 leaden despair non-heroic that needs replacing |
| 22:25.08 | zid` | fyi, tank trinkets suck, I was using a 245 all through wotlk, even with a 277 in bags |
| 22:25.21 | zid` | the 245 is *still* as good as the 359 valor trinket |
| 22:25.27 | Lulia | That's why trinkets aren't supposed to be counted in their calculation |
| 22:25.49 | zid` | well I have BIS equipped except for trinkets, nothing better in bags current, and my ilvl is wrong |
| 22:26.19 | zid` | the armory one is fine |
| 22:26.25 | zid` | but is less friendly to use :) |
| 22:26.57 | fictive | Is there any way to set the border color on a FontString with outline?? |
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| 22:54.30 | LebQzz | 6 mins till my bday whoot |
| 22:54.40 | Nobgul | Happy b-day |
| 22:54.48 | Lulia | I'm waiting 6 mins |
| 22:54.49 | Xzempt | happy early birthday ! |
| 22:55.00 | Lulia | Hey Nobgul |
| 22:55.04 | Lulia | You never talk to me anymore! |
| 22:55.19 | Nobgul | Sup Lulia, Nice author portal post yesterday |
| 22:55.38 | Lulia | It's so completely outdated now! :P |
| 22:55.40 | Nobgul | You never talk to me |
| 22:56.10 | Lulia | I'm not usually paying attention >.> |
| 22:56.48 | Nobgul | sure sure |
| 22:57.30 | Nobgul | Hows your holiday comming along? |
| 22:57.39 | Nobgul | 3 minutes LebQzz! |
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| 22:57.46 | Lulia | Still just the eve here, which only means cleaning |
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| 23:03.26 | foxlit | Harrison Jones bugs me :/ |
| 23:03.45 | foxlit | Mostly because his silly cutscenes are uninterruptable |
| 23:03.46 | Lulia | HAPPY BIRTHDAY LevQzz!!!! |
| 23:03.58 | Lulia | LebQzz* |
| 23:04.13 | Lulia | Nobgul, updated with a NEW news post on my Author Portal ;) |
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