IRC log for #wowuidev on 20101218

00:00.00WarlocoYou can click them from the combat log
00:00.12Warlocoaside from that I dont know of ways other than copy pasting stuff from wowhead
00:00.52DagmarI learned something fun last night.
00:01.26DagmarObsidius has no problem with sniping a clothie whose not running fast enough with Twilight Corruption.  heh
00:01.57DagmarI'm just kiting away, stopped to cast one bloody DoT and suck up a few melee hits from the assistant, and suddently my health just starts evaporating
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00:05.48JamashWarloco: some buffs/debuffs don't show up in the combat log
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00:22.13NafeHey folks, long time no see.  Question regarding the AddOn Kit (or lack thereof): Does Blizzard update the files on their "Tech Support" page for each new release build of WoW?  Or is there a hidden kit that I haven't found yet?
00:27.05cbreakI just used the old one
00:27.08cbreakwhat's wrong with it?
00:30.25foxlitIt does not actually support the streaming client
00:30.33NafeI heard it didn't work anymore
00:30.41foxlitSo what you get  out of it is probably not what's actually running
00:30.52cbreakhmm.
00:31.01smcncan you still change your alchemy mastery in shattrath?
00:31.15Jamashhttps://code.google.com/p/jamash/downloads/list
00:32.30JamashI accept thanks in cash, amazon.com gift certificates, gold (Kil'jaeden-US, horde side) and / or pie
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01:17.24LuliaHere's an interesting thought... say that I have a number and I have a percent and I want to figure out what the number equals at 100% how would I go about doing that mathwise?
01:19.18smcndivide the number by the percent in decimal form
01:20.14LuliaHmm
01:20.21Dagmarusing grade-school math?
01:20.28LuliaYar!
01:20.35LuliaThat I seem to have forgotten :(
01:20.41DagmarYou use the math you learned in grade school.
01:20.57LuliaDoesn't mean I remember it :P
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01:21.27DagmarThis is something you should be able to _work out_ in a few minutes of simply thinking.
01:22.01LuliaWell, I was considering how to get the fraction, but, for some reason, the reverse wasn't clicking with me
01:22.59LuliaI might have been over thinking it
01:23.24AntiarcI wrote a Delicious clone last night http://1r7.net
01:23.27AntiarcJust because I could
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01:25.15LuliaAnd considering that without the whole number that I might only be working at a fraction of a fraction and not reaching the whole. But, in the end, like I said, I was probably overthinking it :-/
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01:37.11durcynfuuuuck file management in Finder is beyond awful
01:37.39Corrodiasi am only a fraction of a fraction of awesome, that is, 1/1 of 1/1.
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02:23.21MentalPoweranyone here worked with bind + dlz?
02:25.07Dagmarbind yes, dlz not so much
02:25.28DagmarI was always lazy and just threw a dictionary file at the things
02:25.29MentalPowertrying to figure out why its doing zone transfers without the NS records
02:26.46DagmarEh?  Trying to do a zone transfer for entire domains when you query one?
02:28.19MentalPowernah, when I do an axfr it gives me all record types like it should, except the NS records
02:28.39MentalPowerI get A, MX, SOA, CNAME, TXT, but no NS
02:29.01Dagmar*blinkblink(*
02:29.11DagmarEither i'm overlooking something or you are
02:29.17DagmarWhy would it need an NS record?
02:29.35MentalPowercause the spec says it should be there?
02:29.39DagmarTo know where to find the server it just asked something of perhaps?
02:30.07DagmarAh okay, I get you now
02:30.27MentalPowerit a zone transfer, everything should be there
02:31.13DagmarQuery the primary server directly to be sure it knows about the NS records and didn't decide to discard them for some other reason
02:31.31MentalPoweryup they're there, and everyone else knows about them too
02:31.51DagmarHmm... I'll have to think on this one.
02:35.46LebQzz3time to update some code and maybe refine it ;P
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02:43.22DagmarMentalPower: Okay, having thought about it, I can only suggest to bite the bullet and turn logging _all the way up_ on both ends, and then fire up the secondary server
02:43.36DagmarIt's got to have a _reason_ for dumping those records
02:43.52DagmarSometimes BIND's reasons for throwing away certain records aren't entirely obvious.
02:44.04MentalPowerit has to be in the master, not even dig/wireshark shows the NS records
02:44.06Dagmar...but it can spam your damn eyes right out of your head.
02:44.29DagmarYou didn't try to make everyhting a CNAME pointing to something else or something did you?
02:44.41MentalPowernop, nowhere near that crazy
02:44.59DagmarOkay, cool.  I figured I'd ask because I've seen it before in rational people
02:45.49DagmarTurn up logging and prepare to wade through some log spam
02:46.44DagmarIf the master is disregarding NS records in a zone file it's auth for, BIND is going to say why it discarded those records
02:47.54Dagmar...unless you're talking about a DLZ-managed zone, in which case BIND is probably never getting the NS record form it
02:47.57Dagmars/form/from/
02:48.39MentalPowerbut it is, its sending it out with specific queries of NS to that zone
02:48.49DagmarJust not in the zone transfer
02:48.50MentalPowerand yes, its a DLZ zone
02:48.53MentalPowerright
02:48.55DagmarWell if I
02:49.32DagmarWell if I'm reading this correctly, the way it interfaces is that bind is basically making a query of what it at least half-way considers to be another nameserver that it simply talks to using a special protocol
02:54.02LebQzzhmm what file in the framexml contains the new guild interface?
02:54.18MentalPowerDagmar: that sounds logical
02:54.57DagmarWell, there's plenty of room in that for BIND to decide it doesn't like the answer it got from DLZ
02:55.17MentalPoweragreed
03:00.13LebQzzhmm i cant find the func to retrieve guild xp
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03:03.09LebQzzfound i
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03:12.54Torhaldolby: Grats on the new layout - very nice.
03:13.56foxlitThe vertical padding in every cell kind of bugs me
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03:49.07LebQzzanything special with GUILD_XP_UPDATE ?
03:53.31Funkeh`holy crap
03:53.38Funkeh`what happened to wowi :D
03:53.41Funkeh`sweet
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04:02.43Nechckndolby was waving his magical wand around, again, Funkeh`
04:02.54Funkeh`damn I need that wand
04:07.57NechcknCareful... he keeps it in a dangerous place!
04:09.49Dagmarooo... it's all "2.0" now!
04:10.00DagmarIt has teh glossy!
04:10.53Dagmar...and someone should smack this guy.  http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info11848-BasicExperienceBar.html (see second screenshot)
04:11.27Dagmar"Basic Experience Bar"... now with six freaking pages of config options
04:11.28Dagmarwtf
04:11.41Dagmarhe's out of control.
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04:22.13NafeDolby, I miss the "Updated" date on the individual addon pages.  I know it's in the search results and favorites, but I really want to see it on the addon page itself =\
04:22.33dolbyit is
04:23.08dolbyclick the fileinfo tab above the pic
04:23.42Nafeaww so hidden
04:25.12Nafeid="tabB1" seems to be displaced to the right (instead of tabB0 which shows up fine), so the File Info is a bit hard to read atm
04:27.16Nafemaking it have a <div class="fileinfo-pics"> makes it look fine.  You've probably got a different style name for it, though
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04:34.09Nafewell, *almost fine with fileinfo-pics.  Everything gets centered and such.
04:37.23NafeSide note: Ammo, thanks immensely for AddonLoader.  I'm in the process of converting my addons to use it =)  Wish I knew about it sooner
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04:42.21LebQzzdam so close to test my addon a last time ;P
04:42.51Adysdolby: Nice new skin on the website. yeah Im late =P
04:43.02Adysdolby: any chance some day for an ajax login form?
04:44.22DagmarThis is definitely nice
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04:56.46airtonixdolby,
04:57.27airtonixdolby, is it just me or does navigating to page 2, 3, 4, etc only respond with page 1? (http://wowinterface.com/downloads/index.php?cid=127&sb=lastupdate&so=desc&pt=f&page=3)
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05:01.23airtonixdolby, using mozilla minefield version 4.0b8pre & chromium 7.0.529.0 (59893) Ubuntu 10.04
05:01.43dolbylooking into airtonix
05:03.09dolbyyep doing the same for me, working on it.  thanks
05:03.10Nafeairtonix, not just you ;)
05:03.16airtonixno problems
05:04.55dolbyshould be fixed now airtonix, good find
05:04.56dolbythanks
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05:08.49airtonixhttp://imagebin.org/128408
05:09.21airtonixgenuine hamster powered PSU
05:10.10Funkeh`isn't that the chrome laptp box
05:11.58MentalPowerit is
05:12.12airtonixyes
05:12.48airtonixCR78 or something ?
05:13.07airtonixcr48
05:14.56airtonixunfortunately only people in USA can take part in the notebook pilot
05:15.09airtonixor at least people not in australia.
05:16.52Adysanyone speaks spanish around here?
05:17.29NightHawkTheSanemy phone does now! sort off..
05:17.31NightHawkTheSaneof*
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05:28.48AdysDoes anyone have somewhere I can check recent EU battlegroup moves?
05:31.43MentalPowerAdys: yo
05:31.54AdysMentalPower: how'd you pronounce gu- in spanish?
05:32.16MentalPowerlike goo
05:32.21sioraiAdys: [gu]
05:32.22Adysk
05:32.25Adysthanks
05:32.45sioraiAdys: g is [x] before front vowels, i.e. i and e
05:32.51sioraiit's [g] before a,o,u
05:34.13Adyshad a feeling, wanted to be sure
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05:44.23PrimerIs skinning not possible in heroic Grim Batol?
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06:19.46airtonixlol
06:19.48airtonixhttp://consumerist.com/2009/11/smoking-near-apple-computers-creates-biohazard-voids-warranty.html
06:20.12airtonixapparently macs hard drives fail from second hand smoke
06:20.29Thunder_Childjust like people
06:20.32airtonixwhat a shame, guess i can't recommend them anymore as quality appliances
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06:34.19Arrowmasterairtonix: i would think most mechanical harddrives would fail after enough exposure to smoke
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07:12.10Adystee hee. i found a bug with autointeract
07:12.39Adysif you CTM while on the uldum daily catapult, you get stuck
07:14.35bluspacecowCTM ?
07:14.40Adysclick to move
07:14.52bluspacecowah
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07:17.12DagmarArrowmaster: in re to the hard drives, this is part of the reason they no longer have a completely _open_ vent hole, but instead have a bit of filtering material
07:17.51DagmarIt doesn't completely eliminate the threat of particles, but it reduces it to the point where it's no longer going to be the reason the hard drive dies
07:18.06Dagmar(something else will fail outright first)
07:20.27Arrowmasterthe vent hole can get clogged up though
07:21.01Arrowmasterit wont make it fail alone but it will be bad on the drive none the less
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08:05.41foreplayCaIs there a way to take input from an editbox, and replace spaces with a coma
08:05.45foreplayIs *
08:11.53Adysforeplay: yeah very likely
08:12.13Adysforeplay: watch for editbot's keydown event or something like that
08:12.36Adys!api editbox
08:12.36lua_botFound 42 possible matches for 'editbox'.  Please be more specific
08:12.42Adys!api editbox:key
08:12.42lua_botCould not find a match for 'editbox:key'.
08:12.46foreplaywill i made a slash command and im adding the text i put in the chatbox to a table
08:12.46Adys!api editbox:onkey
08:12.47lua_botCould not find a match for 'editbox:onkey'.
08:12.50Adysmhe
08:13.02foreplaybut the table has spaces in it and i need to replace those with commas
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08:13.19foreplayso i can loop through the table and get the info i need
08:13.40Adysforeplay: sounds like the wrong solution to the wrong problem
08:13.52Adysforeplay: watching for input on chat inputbox is a bad idea, for one
08:14.15foreplaywhat would you suggest
08:14.39Adysforeplay: then what you probably need is some smart string splitting on whatever you're having there
08:14.48foreplayI'm kinda new to this, i just want to print the info back to me with print after its sorted
08:14.59AdysUm
08:15.05foreplaymy slash comand is /sort
08:15.22Adyshave you read the tutorial on how to actually make a slash command? :P
08:15.22foreplayso like if o posted /sort foreplay: what would you suggest
08:15.54foreplaythe slas command is working fine
08:16.00Adysslash commands call a function which has, as one of the args, whatever was passed to the command
08:16.11foreplaybut the tabl only recognizes that there is one thing in it
08:16.25Adysthe argument is just a string.
08:16.32foreplayinstead of multiple so it prints the entire line back
08:17.06foreplaydoes this place look down on wow private servers?
08:17.18foreplayI dont want to break any rules or what ever
08:17.41Adysthis channel looks down on whatever is not allowed by the eula
08:17.53foreplayI see.
08:17.55foreplayok
08:18.07Adyshowever, as your issue is not related to any of this I'm happy to help you
08:18.30Adysbut I'm going to need more informations on what you want to do with that /sort command
08:19.00foreplayok
08:19.07foreplayill paste bin the little snippet
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08:19.36foreplayhttp://wowuidev.pastey.net/144026
08:19.51foreplayso if i typed /sort I want this in my table
08:20.04Adysit doesnt work like this
08:20.08foreplayi wanted it to replace the spaces with a comma, so i can loop through the table
08:20.11Adysmsg is a string, as i said
08:20.18foreplayand print that text on a seperate line
08:20.31Adysyou're not going to loop through it any better by replacing spaces with a string
08:20.38Adyss/string/comma/
08:20.49nevcairielbut, its commas!
08:20.56foreplaywait
08:21.15foreplayill show you another piece i wanted it to function somewhat like this one
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08:21.33Adyslua_bot: split("foo bar baz")
08:21.33lua_botAdys: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'split' (a nil value)
08:21.36Adyslua_bot: str.split("foo bar baz")
08:21.37lua_botAdys: luabot:1: attempt to index global 'str' (a nil value)
08:21.41Corrodiasare we talking about splitting strings?
08:21.47foreplayhttp://wowuidev.pastey.net/144027
08:21.47Adyslua_bot: string.split("foo bar baz", " ")
08:21.48lua_botAdys: ,
08:21.49Corrodiasyou should call an external python script
08:22.19AdysThe heck
08:22.35nevcairielstring.split is backwards
08:22.49nevcairiellua> string.split(" ", "foo bar baz")
08:22.49lua_botnevcairiel: foo, bar, baz
08:22.54Adysyeah
08:23.03Adyswhy does lua-users say different
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08:23.11Adyshttp://lua-users.org/wiki/SplitJoin
08:23.30nevcairielbecause string.split is not in Lua
08:23.32nevcairielits a addition
08:23.53Adyswhy the f would blizz do it backwards
08:23.57Adysrgllglglg
08:24.06nevcairielsomeone explained it once, but i forgot
08:25.04Adystheres no explanation allowed
08:25.16Adysits just bloody painful :P
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08:26.22Adysforeplay: anyway, use string.split for what you want.
08:26.42foreplayyeah i was trying that now
08:26.44foreplaythanks :)
08:29.09LFKSo, I just came up with an idea for a quick addon that I think would be great for the current healing community, but I'm not entirely sure where to start and I'm afraid I'm in over my head even with something small.
08:30.12LFKThe basic idea is that most addons that monitor your mana only give you one warning at a preset value, but I want warnings at a couple different points as my mana depletes.
08:31.03LFKIn the scope of things this seems like it would be small and simple, but I don't know if it's actually the kind of thing I should seek some serious help with before diving in and ending up frustrated with a bailed project
08:32.48DagmarPower Auras Classic can do that
08:33.13TorhalLFK: You already have your starting point - "most addons that monitor your mana" - look at one of those and work from there.
08:33.33nevcairielmonitoring mana is easy anyway
08:33.58nevcairielthere is like two events to watch, and one API call
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08:34.19nevcairielyou only need to figure out how you want to show the warnings
08:34.39LFKOkay, so it sounds like this would be a good starter level project then.
08:46.34Zhinjioso in the new layout for the site, where can I find the old "My Addons" page?
08:47.25Zhinjionm
08:47.26Zhinjiofound it
08:49.10Fiskerit's cold nevcairiel
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08:59.01nevcairielyou're cold
08:59.50nevcairielstupid snow, its delaying delivery, now my new stuff will only get here on monday
09:01.54Fiskerawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
09:02.03Fiskerwhat new stuff btw?
09:02.10nevcairielmy 570, of course
09:02.24nevcairieland parts for a pc i'm assembling for a friend
09:02.47Fiskeri thought you said that was in shipping
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09:03.24nevcairielthe status changed over night, obviously
09:03.36Fiskeron facebook?
09:03.47nevcairielnah, on the dhl tracking page!
09:03.54Fiskeroh
09:03.58Fiskeryou meant it was SHIPPED
09:04.04Fiskernow it makes sense
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09:23.22airtonixyou however
09:23.24airtonixdo not
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10:20.25Kasowtf
10:20.46KasoIve just logged onto a charater for the first time after cata, and he has a stack of 761 gray woolen shirts
10:21.11nevcairielhe was busy while you were ignoringh im
10:21.20nevcairielwhat do you do chars do when you're not playing them
10:21.28nevcairieldo you think*
10:21.31Kasolol
10:21.52Kaso15g worth of shirts, i cant complain too much
10:22.35nevcairielthe question is, how do you pile up 761 shirts on one stack
10:22.59KasoAh apparently the item id is Ice Threaded Arrow
10:23.14Kasoalso it has the item icon of what appears to be a helm
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10:32.18AdysKaso: I'll be in the angry dome
10:32.50Kasohu?
10:33.02AdysKaso: I don't understand why you saw "Gray Woolen Shirt"
10:33.13AdysIce threaded arrow (#19316) still exists
10:33.26KasoYeah it appears to be some sort of bug
10:34.59Kaso|cffffffff|Hitem:19316:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:63:0|h[Gray Woolen Shirt]|h|r is the link im getting for it
10:35.16Adyssec
10:35.24Adysgimme your cache folder
10:35.41AdysCache/ADB
10:36.37KasoWant it emailed or what?
10:36.46Adyspastethat.com
10:37.46Kasohttp://www.pastethat.com/E64mT
10:39.15Kasoafter a relog its appearing as ice threaded arrows now :(
10:46.26airtonixKaso, been farming yeah ?
10:46.32airtonixlololololol
10:46.34airtonix:(
10:46.53KasoIm so confused
10:47.01airtonixmission accomplished
10:47.14airtonixback to the porch
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11:12.29AdysKaso: they're perfectly fine in your cache
11:12.32AdysIce threaded arrows
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11:13.48nevcairielHe did say it fixed itself ater relog
11:15.12KasoYeah i exited game to save cache, and when i went back in it was showing correctly
11:15.26Kasoi was using default ui when it was bugging though
11:16.34AdysKaso: sounds like a desync, but im surprised the erroneous item didnt save to the cache then
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11:37.54kraftmanis ther an addon that shows something similar to raid frames but for the enemies in a battleground? I know it couldnt show health easily but just their class and if they are in range would be good
11:38.41Adyskraftman: no
11:38.49kraftmanok
11:39.09Adyskraftman: you can only show unit frames for targets (of targets of targets of targets ...), focus and mouseover
11:39.21Adysand their respective targets and targets of targets
11:39.46Adysand of course party/raid members
11:39.54kraftmanbut you could make a secure button that clicks a macro that targets a player?
11:39.55airtonixyes there was one
11:40.13kraftmanand get all the player names from getbattlefieldinfo
11:40.14airtonixbut it relied on lots of others using the addon too
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11:40.24airtonixbecause as Adys said.
11:40.29Adysplayer names is not enough
11:40.50airtonixcarbonite even had this feature
11:41.11airtonixregister a name for watch and it would cause other carbonite users to report a watched units location
11:41.36kraftmanwhy isn't a player name enough?
11:41.47airtonixbecause battleground is cross server now
11:41.55Adysno
11:42.04Adysthats got nothing to do with it :P
11:42.13airtonixneither has your face
11:42.32Adysbecause the wow api doesn't make available anything to tie a name to unit info
11:42.44Adysunless the name is in a list of available unit infos, such as raid or party members
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11:43.01kraftmanbut couldnt a /target macro for each enemy work?
11:43.01Adysin which case you'd have to iterate that list in the first place
11:43.15Adys!api targetbyname
11:43.15lua_botCould not find a match for 'targetbyname'.
11:43.18Adys!api targetby
11:43.19lua_botCould not find a match for 'targetby'.
11:43.20Adys!api target
11:43.20lua_botFound 42 possible matches for 'target'.  Please be more specific
11:43.23Adysfu
11:43.27kraftman66
11:43.30kraftman^^*
11:43.55Adysanyway whatever function it is, its protected
11:44.11kraftmanhow does paranoia manage it then :/
11:44.50Adysusing an unreliable method, more than likely
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11:45.43airtonixyes
11:45.45airtonixand
11:45.51airtonixp2p
11:45.53Adysknackered. good night
11:45.56kraftmannn
11:46.15kraftmanp2p?
11:47.18airtonixpeer to peer?
11:47.24airtonixlike i said
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11:47.56kraftmanit looks like paranoia just uses a securebutton template to run a macro,and changes the macro while out of combat
11:48.04airtonixno
11:48.06airtonixread the page
11:48.08airtonixhttp://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info8660-ParanoiaEnemyPlayerAlert.html
11:49.03airtonixIn addition, if other players in your party or guild are using Paranoia, it will communicate with them and share hostile data (for guild members, this is only if they are in the same zone).
11:49.49kraftmani don't see how that's relevant :/
11:51.05kraftmanI dont need to share the names, I'd have them all in a table using getbattlefield info
11:51.34kraftmanso if i created 15 macros and 15 secure buttons out of combat, surely each of those buttons could be used to target each enemy?
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12:04.30drag0niusguys, is there way to do "empty" spell in castsequence?
12:04.33drag0niusto wait out 1 click
12:05.17drag0niuslike i press 2 keys at once
12:05.26drag0niusand 2nd should go off every 3rd click
12:05.39airtonixyeah
12:05.41airtonixi use
12:05.43airtonix<PROTECTED>
12:05.47airtonix<PROTECTED>
12:06.00cbreakjust click less? :)
12:06.02drag0nius...
12:06.08airtonixalso
12:06.11airtonix<PROTECTED>
12:06.13drag0niusi saw some1 mentioning empty spell, but didnt say how
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12:06.45cbreakthere's no empty spell as far as I am aware
12:06.56airtonixempties cbreaks spells
12:06.56cbreakyou could try to just do something like not writing any
12:07.00cbreakmaybe that works
12:07.14airtonixjust emote instead
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12:07.36drag0niusofc, emote inside castsequence :P
12:07.46drag0niusgl with that
12:08.02airtonixi don't need luck
12:08.08airtonixi'm already awesome enough
12:08.17airtonixi'm also not the one playing wow
12:09.25drag0niusdoh it just ignores empty spells
12:10.37drag0niusseems like there was such thing, but got removed in cata
12:11.01airtonixcanoe
12:11.03airtonixno paddles
12:11.06airtonixare you
12:12.24bluspacecow~trout Bluspacecow
12:12.25purlACTION slaps Bluspacecow around a bit with a large trout!
12:12.26Fiskerhey airtonix
12:12.37airtonixso
12:12.44airtonixyou return to the realm of the dead
12:12.59Fiskerno
12:14.23drag0niushttp://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7911-MacroSequence.html awesome shit it seems ;d
12:14.42airtonixFisker,
12:15.03Fiskerairtonix
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12:32.06airtonixFisker, i just accidentally your face hoho etc
12:34.25Fiskerairtonix
12:43.09nevcairielmy 570 arrived!
12:44.31Fiskerit isn't in arriving?
12:44.34airtonixqqmoar
12:44.51nevcairielits already done arriving
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12:45.12airtonixso
12:45.13airtonixlike
12:45.21airtonixdid you sleep yet?
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12:53.02Fiskerhey airtonix
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12:56.20airtonixyes
12:56.24airtonixyes i am
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13:01.21drag0niusx="y" ***=2 print (y[1]) what to put in place of *** to make it print 2?
13:01.37Cidewww.lua.org/pil
13:03.01drag0niusim searching it for some time and cant find answer ;d
13:07.21airtonixcide, x="y" www.lua.org/pil=2print(y[1])
13:07.24airtonix:(
13:07.31airtonixdoesn't work
13:07.36airtonixhalp
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13:08.15Maldivialua> x="y" y={} y[1]=2 print(y[1]) -- like that?
13:08.15lua_botMaldivia: 2
13:08.49drag0niusnah, like i set value of x
13:08.56drag0niusand using just x i create y[1]
13:09.14Maldiviaheh :)
13:09.25Maldiviayou wanted 2, you got 2 :)
13:09.29drag0nius:P
13:10.14Elkanowell, if y is a global variable _G[x][1] could work
13:10.28Maldivialua> x="y" _G[x]={} _G[x][1]=2 print(y[1]) -- better ?
13:10.28lua_botMaldivia: 2
13:12.44drag0niushmm
13:12.48drag0niusand if its not global?
13:12.58drag0niuslike local x="y" ?
13:13.25airtonixthen you consult with Fisker
13:14.01Maldiviawell, if x is global or local doens't matter
13:14.15Elkanoif it isn't local, why would you try to access it that way?
13:14.35Elkanos/local/global/
13:15.04Fiskeri once killed a guy Elkano
13:15.29airtonixpotatoes aren't people
13:15.35ElkanoI just shot a man... put a gun against his head... pulled the trigger... now he's dead...
13:15.51Maldiviawe're not your mother :P
13:16.03airtonixi'm not your bro
13:16.06drag0niuswell i just want it that way xD
13:16.07Elkanooh, should be killed, not shot
13:16.10drag0niusthinking how to describe
13:17.48Fiskeryou're mean Elkano
13:17.51drag0niusi want to make function repeating set of some other functions for given argument
13:18.01airtonixeasy
13:18.15airtonixfisker(fisker(fisker(fisker(fisker(yourFace)))))
13:18.31drag0niusor rather
13:18.41drag0niuscreating variables which have values of some other functions
13:19.17ElkanoI think local variables aren't accessible via a table so you would have to emulate that by putting them into one
13:19.46drag0niusthen easier way it would be to make my addon global instead of local? ;d
13:19.55airtonixlol
13:19.59Elkanopoluting global namesapce is BAD!
13:20.10drag0niusthen tell me how to solve this :P
13:20.15airtonixwith FIRE
13:20.31airtonixor by reading the link cide gave you
13:20.38airtonixor
13:20.43airtonixlike the rest of us did
13:20.49airtonixby reading other peoples source code
13:21.14Elkanobut as long as you deal only with tables meaning that your y is always a table you can do something like this:
13:21.31Elkanolua> x= "y"; y = {}; l.y = y; l[x][1]=2; print(y[1])
13:21.31lua_botElkano: luabot:1: attempt to index global 'l' (a nil value)
13:21.38airtonixhehe
13:21.43Elkanolua> l = {}; x= "y"; y = {}; l.y = y; l[x][1]=2; print(y[1])
13:21.44lua_botElkano: 2
13:21.45CideREAD THE FUCKING LINK THANKS
13:21.49Cidestop helping him jesus
13:21.55airtonixQQMOAR
13:21.57Cidethis is like the 5th infraction
13:22.14Cidehe's a pure leecher
13:22.20airtonixyeahboi
13:22.37airtonixFisker, ragequit already!
13:24.32drag0niuselkano in what u wrote x="y" is for nothing, i'd need to use y anyway
13:24.47airtonixhoho
13:32.30airtonixhttp://www.bleachcommunity.net/gallery/data/media/25/kon-13.jpg
13:32.39airtonixdrag0nius, ^
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13:37.36PwntzyouIs there a way I can get the duriation of an aura I just casted on someone?
13:38.55Maldivialoop through the unit's auras with UnitAura till you find the one you just cast, and read the duration
13:39.17PwntzyouYea, but how do I get that unit :3
13:40.01PwntzyouWell.. besides calling some function... however... do I need to check if they casted on a focus? or does it not matter
13:40.04Maldiviapick it up form the spell cast events
13:40.34PwntzyouUsing spellcast_sent I can only see the name of the unit
13:40.50Maldiviaif it's a friendly unit and in your party/group, that'll work
13:41.10PwntzyouUnfortunately it is for a CC addon... so it will be an unfriendly unit =/
13:41.47Maldiviahmm, compare GUID with the target's, mouseover's and focus'
13:41.59PwntzyouAh, I was afraid that would be the only way =(
13:42.23Pwntzyoudamn
13:44.12PwntzyouRight now I am using combat log to pick up the application of the aura... do you think getting the target GUID from that and then checking all of those things would work... it seems kind of sketchy that alot could go wrong there
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14:12.30zenzelezzI find it intriguing that now that Michael Jackson is dead, all the commercials/ads for his stuff show him as black
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14:29.38foreplayHow would I save the text that is returned on the event CHAT_MSG_SYSTEM
14:32.50foreplaynvm
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14:32.51foreplaygot it
14:34.38A-KOpeople really need to learn to CC
14:37.28foxlitAnd dungeon finder really needs to start making balanced groups for CC
14:38.25foxlitSometimes you get like a mage, a warlock and a shaman -- and sometimes you end up with two death knights and a DPS warrior.
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14:45.53drag0niusguys
14:46.04drag0niusis there way to "use" item which is currently on cursor?
14:47.10Maldivia!api cursor
14:47.11lua_botFound 27 possible matches for 'cursor'.  Please be more specific
14:47.42Elkanoa pi cursor?
14:48.47drag0niusi have the macro that uses matched item (to move it into bank etc)
14:49.16drag0niuswanna modify it to split stacks not divisible by 5 and then move them
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15:03.51airtonix~seen cide
15:03.58purlcide is currently on #wowuidev (2h 16m 32s). Has said a total of 5 messages. Is idling for 1h 41m 44s, last said: 'he's a pure leecher'.
15:04.04airtonix:)
15:04.26Fiskerwooo
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15:04.47FiskerGot a copy of cataclysm to give out
15:05.09FiskerBlizzard is the best company ever etc.
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15:06.21msoulKalroth: you dere
15:06.30Kalrothyessir
15:06.40msoulgot fossilized rap :P
15:06.45Kalrothgrats :)
15:06.48msoulty ty
15:07.20msoulomw to get the night elf dressing
15:07.24msoulepic cloth
15:07.34Kalrothyeah, it's only level 60 though
15:07.39Kalrothbut still fun for an alt, I guess
15:07.40airtonixFisker, thanks
15:07.42msoultrue
15:07.45airtonixbut i don't need one
15:07.46msoulindeed
15:08.02msoulonly alt that could use it maybe a priest
15:08.07msoulonly class that I didn't get to
15:08.15airtonixlubes up msoul
15:08.15msoulgot like 2 priest 1 lvl 29 the other 27
15:08.20airtonixget ready baby
15:08.26msoulblocks
15:08.31airtonixTOOO LATE
15:08.34airtonixRARRRRR
15:08.38msoul:P
15:08.56msoulppl are complaining about the vial of the sand mount
15:09.00msoul29k mats
15:09.06msoulI heard
15:09.31msoulin my head it won't cost me a dime if I farm everythig nmyself
15:10.00msoulhope I am right :/
15:10.19airtonixno
15:10.28airtonixas my slave
15:10.28jnwhitehhehe, hardly
15:10.35airtonixit costs you
15:10.43airtonix$97.45
15:10.45airtonixper day
15:10.50msoulto be honest I didn't check the mats for it
15:10.53msoul:/
15:11.00airtonixto stay alive
15:11.12airtonixon top of that
15:11.17airtonixto work that off
15:11.18msoulonly thing I could come up with that they'd have 1 or 2 that you should buy from vendor
15:11.21airtonixyou work in my salt mines
15:11.30airtonixand a full 12hr day
15:11.40airtonixmakes me $13.23
15:11.44msoulas a gladiaor
15:11.45airtonixso really
15:11.54airtonixyou do the math
15:12.12msoulactually I came to ask about a macro and tell kalroth I got the fossilized mount
15:12.20airtonixno
15:12.25Kalroth:P
15:12.29msoulcouldn't come up with anything to switch between actionbars in combat
15:12.38airtonixmy question is
15:12.48airtonixwhat are you doing outside of the salt mines?
15:12.53msoul/script local page=GetActionBarPage(); if page==1 then ChangeActionBarPage(2) else ChangeActionBarPage(1) end
15:13.05msoulit works fine out of combat
15:13.07nevcairielthere is a slash command for that
15:13.14airtonixlol
15:13.18nevcairiel./toggleactionbar or something
15:13.34nevcairieltakes two numbers
15:13.56msoulthat works in combat?
15:14.00nevcairielsure
15:14.13nevcairielcheck the usual macro places, not sure its actually toggleactionbar
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15:29.09Fiskerhey nevcairiel
15:29.32msoule/quit dinner
15:29.35msoulpfft
15:29.41nevcairielwhat fisker
15:31.02ZorbaTHutugh I wish blizzard would unfuck their auction functions
15:31.47drag0niusguys
15:31.54drag0niusthere is chars limit for /run too?
15:31.57drag0niusor just for macros?
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15:37.55jnwhitehthere's a limit to what you can type in the chatbox
15:37.59drag0niuswth im getting error at local n=GetContainerItemLink(b,s)
15:38.16drag0niuswhen in next line im getting numbers for getiteminfo in locals too
15:38.48drag0nius'<name>' expected near ','
15:38.50Fiskeri wish you could change position on your gems in an item (yeah i just put a green gem in a blue slot and the blue gem in a yellow slot :/)
15:38.53Fiskerjnwhiteh still in the US?
15:39.22drag0niuswell there is limit
15:39.27drag0niusbut i've addon for making long macros
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15:46.18drag0niusguys, how to get out SubType out of http://www.wowpedia.org/API_GetItemInfo?
15:47.28ZorbaTHutlocal name, link, rarity = GetItemInfo(blah)
15:47.33ZorbaTHutextend that to as many parameters as you need
15:48.53drag0niusand to get just some in the middle?
15:49.18ZorbaTHutyou can do local _, _, rarity = etc; if you want to skip some, but you do need to add the _,'s as appropriate
15:49.29drag0niusk
15:49.31drag0niusty
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15:49.36ZorbaTHutnp
15:49.40drag0niusand one more question
15:49.47drag0niuswhat is wrong with doing stackcount%5
15:50.24Adysjnwhiteh: happy bday
15:50.31ZorbaTHutnothing, to the best of my knowledge
15:50.37ElkanoZorbaTHut, select >> _
15:50.40ZorbaTHutI mean I don't know what value your stackcount is offhand, but
15:50.46ZorbaTHutelkano, eh, you're stuck counting things either way
15:50.58ZorbaTHutI prefer the method that makes it easier to add new data gathering
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15:51.33drag0niusi'm trying to make macro splitting stacks for milling
15:51.54drag0niuspick everything over %5
15:52.03drag0niusthen put it in some other bag
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15:53.28ZorbaTHutseems reasonable
15:54.56drag0niuswhat error "Useage GetItemInfo(itemID|"name"|"itemlink") means?
15:55.00drag0niusi didnt change anything there
15:55.07drag0niusbut it started giving error
15:55.22drag0niusahh wiat
15:55.25ZorbaTHutyou have to actually put the item ID, name, or item link there
15:55.27drag0niusit was scrolled up ;d
15:55.48drag0niusim getting attempt to perform arithmetic on a boolean value
15:56.01drag0niuswith iStackCount%5==0
15:57.27ZorbaTHutit's possible == has higher precedence than % does. it's also possible iStackCount is a boolean.
16:00.11Cideit's also possible you should learn lua
16:00.14Cidewww.lua.org/pil
16:01.17drag0niushttp://lua.pastey.net/144032 whats wrong with it?
16:01.31mikmalua> print("hello cide!")
16:01.31lua_botmikma: hello cide!
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16:01.52ZorbaTHutdragonius, I've got good news and bad news
16:02.03drag0niusye?
16:02.05ZorbaTHutthe good news is that learning to program is a fantastic skill that will serve you well in life
16:02.10ZorbaTHutthe bad news is that now it's time to learn to program.
16:02.16drag0nius...
16:02.23ZorbaTHutGotta figure it out yourself. Start narrowing down the options and debugging :)
16:02.46drag0niusUseage GetItemInfo(itemID|"name"|"itemlink") is very useful....
16:02.57drag0niusespecially when i tried copypasting wowpedia code
16:03.18ZorbaTHutit actually is, that describes it quite well. that said, you're calling GetItemInfo properly, from what I can tell.
16:03.46drag0niusand saving values too?
16:03.47ZorbaTHutThat's assuming GetContainerItemLink is actually returning an item link and being called correctly. Start printing stuff out. Figure out where the difference is between what you expect and what's actually occuring.
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16:08.42drag0niusdoh
16:08.47drag0niusits info about full stack
16:08.55drag0niusmisread ;/
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16:23.59drag0niuseven worse
16:24.08drag0niusseems like its impossible to check quantity of item inside bags
16:27.40foreplayIf i wanted to match everything between the word Reason: and Set how would i do that
16:28.26foreplayi know string.match(arg1, "Reason: "); but i dunno the reg ex
16:30.35drag0niusidk how about lua, but i'd try writing my own function for that in C ;d
16:31.37drag0niuslike find Reason, remember finish of it, find set, remember start of it and match everything in between those numbers
16:34.32Kraftmanwhats the event fired when players enter leave the battleground?
16:34.54Kraftmanenter/leave*
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16:38.25drag0niushttp://www.wowwiki.com/Events/Battleground
16:38.57Kraftmani looked at that page
16:39.01Kraftmandid i miss something?
16:39.06Jamashs/wowwiki.com/wowpedia.org/g
16:41.58Kraftmandoes it say it on that page, or were you just linking it in the hope that it might say it on that page? :/
16:42.15drag0niushttp://www.wowpedia.org/Events/Map check this
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16:42.28drag0niustheres zone change and map update events
16:42.32Nobgulhte map event is the only one that i have found that fires when leaving
16:42.42NobgulIt's what I use for my addon.
16:42.43drag0niusand zone change i think ;d
16:43.41Kraftmanthanks, i guess i can just look for "has entered" and "has left", but i thought there might be a neater way
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16:59.51Jamashis there a way to hide the objective arrow on the minimap?
17:04.38NobgulJamash, You mean the arrow that represents you as you move, Or the red arrow?
17:04.52Jamashthe big yellow one
17:05.36Nobgul0_o. I haven't seen a yellow one, I may not have to option turned on or something.
17:06.27NobgulDid you try to use /fstack?
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17:19.39Jamashyes
17:20.34NobgulWere you able to get a name?
17:20.39Nobgulfor the arrow of course
17:22.12Thunder_Childi think you only see the arrow when you are tracking
17:22.22Thunder_Childsince i only see it when my map is open
17:22.40Thunder_Childand i have one of the quests selected
17:23.04Nobgulthe code isnt in mimimap.xml for sure i looked
17:24.35amrojust found this brilliant commnet
17:24.36amro* @brief it does something, I'm sure.
17:51.00foreplaycan someone tell me somewhere to find info on removing a word from a variable
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17:56.07Jamashforeplay: do you mean removing a word from a string?
17:56.34foreplayyes like i have a variable set that contains words, i just need to remove the last word from the string
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18:11.16foreplayI thought maybe string.gsub(myvariable, "Set", " ") would work
18:11.18foreplayapparently not?
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18:18.42drag0niusguys whats up with PutItemInBag?
18:18.46drag0niusit does not work for me ;/
18:19.16drag0niussimply nothing happens
18:19.26drag0niusitem still is on cursor
18:21.05Thunder_Childdrag0nius: doesnt work on the backpack
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18:23.36drag0niusi do /run PutItemInBag(3) while holding herb on cursor
18:23.45drag0niusand nothing happens
18:24.41drag0niusjust backpack version works
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18:39.43madtimberanyone around?
18:40.17cbreakYou are alone. It is pitch black.
18:40.24madtimberwalk north
18:40.35Hirsute_You have been eaten by a grue
18:40.40madtimberhaha
18:41.08madtimberwas she hot?
18:41.20cbreaknot hot enough to survive
18:41.31madtimberapparently
18:41.50madtimberok question....all the loots in the game, does Blizz have an XML file of all of that I can get?
18:41.57madtimberor a JOSN file
18:42.02madtimberJSON
18:42.09cbreakno
18:42.34cbreakMaybe WoWhead has something
18:42.35Hirsute_No, unfortunately.  The Armory is scrapable, with effort, or it was, but it's often wrong and/or out of date.
18:42.38madtimberso how does WoW Head get all their data?  just user submissions and leg work?
18:42.55Thunder_Childdatamining
18:43.00Hirsute_madtimber: They have an addon and uploader combo that datamines in-game, then allows people to upload the data.
18:43.16madtimberaahh
18:43.18cbreakyou can probably also decode the caches.
18:43.26cbreakwell, with you I mean someone.
18:43.39madtimberlike the game file caches?
18:43.45FiskerI don't want to kill jnwhiteh
18:43.52madtimberas in uncompile them?
18:43.53cbreakI think items are not stored client side, they are cached
18:43.58madtimberahh ok
18:44.10madtimberso I have to actually see the item, to ever know about it
18:44.46cbreakthat's why you disconnect when you use an addon to link an item that has not been seen by the server since the last restart
18:44.46madtimberor someone has to see the item, for anyone to know about it
18:45.01madtimberaahhh
18:45.05Hirsute_madtimber: There's an addon, then they have an executable that will upload its SV to them.  It also scrapes your local cache, I believe.
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18:45.23Hirsute_cbreak: I thought they stopped causing disconnects and just return nil.
18:45.37cbreakdon't know. I stopped doing addon stuff myself a year or two ago
18:45.42madtimberso then Atlas Loot is doing something similiar?
18:45.43Amarandeso, has anyone made that "nearest dig site pointer" addon yet?
18:45.58cbreakI bet atlas loot has a hard coded list
18:46.24madtimberfrom Blizz?  or generated from some other scraping addon?
18:46.33cbreakby the author
18:46.47Hirsute_I'm sure the author does some sort of datamining to get and maintain the addon.
18:46.50madtimberbut he had to get it somewhere
18:46.51madtimberright
18:46.57madtimberhhmm
18:47.00Hirsute_But what type of datamining I have no idea.
18:47.03foreplaywhy does string.gsub(myvariable, -3); retun nil when i know myvariable has info in it
18:47.04cbreakit's about loot per boss, right?
18:47.05foreplayD;
18:47.08madtimberhas anyone rolled a universal data miner?
18:47.19cbreakso it just has to have a list of item IDs that are found on a certain boss
18:47.30madtimberright
18:47.37Hirsute_cbreak: Rather, I meant if it stores info in an SV file that can be sent to the author or if the caches are scraped, etc.
18:48.03madtimberso WoWHead needs to create an API
18:48.09madtimber...for free ;)
18:50.04Teomyrthey have
18:50.10Teomyrhttp://www.wowhead.com/item=12345?xml
18:50.15Teomyrrather limited though
18:50.56Kraftmani got my enemy raid frames for battlegrounds working :D
18:52.12madtimbernow only if there was a feed that had every piece of gear
18:54.08Adysmadtimber: universal data miner? what?
18:54.16Amarandebtw, can you still get LK tabard rep in cata dungeons?
18:54.23madtimberlike a unified data mining service
18:54.32Adys..
18:54.36Adysdefine "data mining"
18:54.38Adyswhat kind of data
18:54.46madtimberloot and item data
18:54.50Fisker 
18:55.03Adysright, did you know there's a wow armory
18:55.15madtimberright, but I cant get a list of every single thing in that database
18:55.19madtimberto use it how I want
18:55.39Adyssure you can
18:55.46madtimberyeah?
18:55.46Fiskerso more like datagettingitallshoveledintoyourface than mining?
18:55.53Adyswget http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/item/{17..100000}
18:56.06Fiskermight want a timer on it though
18:56.22madtimberlol
18:59.12drag0niuslocal f=GetContainerFreeSlots(b2): Attempt to compare number with table
18:59.13drag0niuswtf?
18:59.43Adysmadtimber: if it's an actual API you want, try extracting your dbc files and using https://github.com/Adys/pywow
19:00.26Cide</shameless plug>
19:00.28madtimberhaha
19:00.48Maldiviaheh
19:01.05FiskerCide unexpected end of the shameless plug tag
19:01.09Adysno shameless plug, if there were alternatives id gladly link them :P
19:01.17madtimberI just want a list of all wearable items and weapons....with their stats, and where they come from
19:01.35Maldiviaadys has no shame!
19:01.38CideFisker: the beginning is implicit when you link your own project
19:01.40madtimberand be able to automate any updates to that list
19:01.56madtimberso if a new instance comes online....bam, I can hit a button and the new loots are in my hands
19:02.14Adyshttp://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/careers/
19:02.15Adyshf
19:02.22madtimberha
19:02.24foxlitmadtimber: I hear you would also like a pony.
19:02.34foreplaycan i not use a variable in string.gsub ??
19:02.36foreplay-.-
19:02.39madtimberoohh oohh....a pink one
19:02.46Adysforeplay: please read some lua tutorial.
19:02.59Adysas i told you this morning its pretty pointless to try without
19:03.10madtimberfoxlit: but yes, this request is my pony, for sure
19:03.18foreplayi've read for the past 3 hours, no matter how i try that it says gsub expected a string
19:03.31Adysgive it a string then.
19:03.40cbreaklua> t = "applepie" string.sub(t, -3)
19:03.41lua_botcbreak: No output
19:03.48foreplayim already past what i asked you about this morning
19:03.52foreplayim doing somtehing else
19:03.53cbreaklua> t = "applepie" r = string.sub(t, -3) print(r)
19:03.53lua_botcbreak: pie
19:03.56Kraftmanwhere is the compactraidframe defined? :/
19:04.00cbreakeasy
19:04.07Adysit doesnt change the fact that you still need to read a tutorial :P try PIL
19:04.16Kraftmannvm ><
19:04.42foreplaya simple yes or no would have sufficed.
19:05.01Adysa yes or no doesn't suffice when one asks whether you can pass a variable to a function
19:05.17AdysI'm trying to be helpful here
19:05.34cbreaklua> t = "applepie" s = "pie" r = "juice" print(string.gsub(t, s, r))
19:05.35lua_botcbreak: applejuice, 1
19:05.40cbreakeasy
19:06.07cbreakhonestly, no one with even a speck of Lua knowledge could think of a situation where a variable is NOT allowed.
19:06.21foreplaywhen i use string.gsub(myvar, "Set", "anything here") it still errors saying gsub expected a string
19:06.26foreplaythats the only reason i asked
19:06.29cbreakuser error
19:06.35foxlitlua> string.gsub(myvar, "Set", "anything here")
19:06.35lua_botfoxlit: luabot:1: bad argument #1 to 'gsub' (string expected, got nil)
19:06.38foxlitlike that, then?
19:06.39Adysyour var isn't a string then.
19:06.43cbreakobviously, your variables have to contain a string...
19:13.09Fiskerwhat's a string cbreak ?
19:13.27madtimber"lick my balls"
19:13.32madtimberthats an example of a string
19:15.00Maldiviaand what a nice string it is
19:15.11foreplaysee thats all i needed was a nudge in the right direction !
19:16.17Maldivia"lick my balls"... well guess it can be seen as a nudge in the right direction
19:17.01foreplayI know what a string is
19:17.05foreplaythat wasnt my problem
19:17.23foreplaythe problem was, the string.gsub wasnt being used in the right palce
19:17.29foreplayso it was nil indeed
19:17.58madtimberlol
19:18.25madtimber<nudge>
19:19.11Kraftmani give up, anyone know where the code for the compactraidframe is? I thought i'd found it but i havn't :9
19:19.26madtimber...its in my pants
19:19.37madtimbervery large code
19:19.39Kraftmancould i borrow your pants please?
19:20.03madtimber49.95
19:20.06madtimberplus shipping
19:20.06Maldivia~framexml
19:20.07purlDownload FrameXML code/art from http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?locale=en_US&articleId=21466 ; or view it online at http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source , http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser or http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml
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19:21.12Kraftmani have them, still cant find it :/
19:21.18madtimberso, looks like I can iteratively call wow head and get every item
19:21.20Maldiviakraft, loiked in the framexml/compact* fikes
19:21.25madtimberhttp://www.wowhead.com/item={item_id}
19:21.37madtimberand then tac on "&xml" to the end of that url
19:21.39Kraftmanive looked in compactraidgroup and compactunitframe
19:21.45madtimberand get an xml doc back
19:21.55madtimbernot pretty...but it'll have to do
19:21.58Maldiviaalso in the addon?
19:22.05Kraftmanyup
19:22.32Maldiviawell, its there
19:22.39Kraftmanin the addon?
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19:23.44Maldiviain all of those files, depending what specific youre after
19:24.45KraftmanI'm searching for the word "compact" in the xmls, all i can find is compactraidgroup
19:25.43Kraftmanahh i found it
19:25.52Kraftman:D
19:26.30Fiskerfarts Kraftman
19:26.37Kraftman:(
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19:40.36Fiskerall i want for christmas
19:43.17Thunder_Childis a brain?
19:44.56Fiskerno
19:44.58Fiskersandy bridge
19:45.02Fiskeralready got a brain
19:45.25Thunder_Childyou, are not snady bridge
19:46.24Thunder_Childs/snady/sandy/
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19:51.32foxlitoh curses, enUS.
19:52.01foxlitnevcairiel: ping
19:52.19Thunder_Childthats not very nice foxlit
19:53.12nevcairielfoxlit: pong
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19:53.34foxlitnevcairiel: The 4.0.1 stuff in https://github.com/Nevcairiel/wow-ui-source/tree/4.0.1 -- that's from EU data?
19:53.49nevcairielprobably not
19:54.05foxlithttps://github.com/Nevcairiel/wow-ui-source/blob/4.0.1/FrameXML/Localization.lua
19:54.13foxlitI'll rephrase as a statement: it is from EU data.
19:54.24foxlitAny idea if I can find the US version anywhere? :)
19:54.39nevcairiel4.0.1 specifically?
19:54.50foxlitYep
19:54.53nevcairielhow about ~framexml
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19:55.05nevcairielwas it updated to 4.0.3 ever?
19:55.07foxlit~framexml
19:55.08purlDownload FrameXML code/art from http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?locale=en_US&articleId=21466 ; or view it online at http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source , http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser or http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml
19:56.02foxlitI'm kinda assuming the stuff at the blizzard link is .3
19:56.16nevcairielThey published it at 4.0.1
19:56.25nevcairielIf it was updated, i cannot say
19:56.42foxlitAside from localization, it matches your 4.0.1 tag
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20:00.32Adyshttp://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/2352885754
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20:02.55Adyshttp://www.thedoghousediaries.com/?p=2438
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20:06.11Adyshttp://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2010/12/google-maps-5-for-android-3d-maps-and.html
20:06.14Adysthose are some cool maps
20:11.16foxlitYo.
20:11.20foxlitWhat taints the world markers?
20:12.10nevcairielEvery addon using blizzard dropdowns
20:12.22nevcairielbecause, blizzard decided to only expose them through their fragile dropdown system
20:12.57foxlitWhat qualifies as "using", though?
20:13.05nevcairieljust using
20:13.16foxlitNo, then it'd be tainted all the time and I wouldn't be puzzled
20:13.19nevcairielcreating, adding elements
20:13.41foxlit:/
20:14.02foxlitI'm pretty sure I call _Initialize on a few dropdowns, and that in turn constructs the menu
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20:19.55foxlitnevcairiel: I can't seem to reproduce it with just an addon using blizzard dropdowns
20:20.13nevcairielMapster manages to break it reliably
20:20.18foxlitI mean, I created a dropdown. I opened it. I clicked an item in it. I then used a world marker
20:20.44foxlit[It's Recount for me]
20:21.18foxlitI guess the question is "What does Mapster do with dropdowns that I don't"
20:22.24mikmafisker: barbra streisand
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20:38.21Amarandesay, anyone know if they ever fixed that glitch with guild charters? being that I use gBags, I'd hope so.
20:39.10drag0niusguys, to create bindings.xml i need both to add bindings in .lua and .xml?
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20:41.37mikmafisker: you're barbra?
20:45.08Amarandespecifically, the bug where the guild charter had to be in the Backpack, and not in an equipped bag, when you turn it in
20:45.31Kethodrag0nius: afaik wow just takes bindings.xml without it even being referred to in the .lua / .xml / .toc ...
20:48.10drag0niusso i simply write my functions from .lua to bind them?
20:48.18drag0niusor macros?
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20:56.41Adys!api OnHyperlinkEnter
20:56.42lua_botCould not find a match for 'OnHyperlinkEnter'.
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21:03.12Iriel!api OnHyperLinkEnter
21:03.13lua_botCould not find a match for 'OnHyperLinkEnter'.
21:03.17drag0niuscould somebody help me with creating bindings for my addon?
21:03.31LFKwhat's the difference between registering an event OnLoad and registering it OnEvent? Do I need to resiter at least one event OnLoad before I can run functions OnEvent?
21:03.32Irieldrag0nius: What part of bindings are you stuck on?
21:03.41IrielLFK: Essentially yes
21:03.41drag0niuswell... creating it xD
21:03.47IrielLFK: OnEvent is only called for the events you've registered
21:03.49drag0niusi totally idk how to start
21:04.02drag0niusi did bindings.xml
21:04.09drag0niusmade functions inside brackets
21:04.11Irieldrag0nius: Well, you create a bindings.xml with your bindings in, then code in your addon to name them
21:04.11drag0niusbut nothing shows
21:04.23Irielpastey your bindings.xml
21:04.48drag0niusand well
21:04.52drag0niuscan i even bind macro button? ;d
21:04.58drag0niushttp://wklej.org/id/440567/
21:05.24drag0niusmilling and prospecting are macro buttons
21:07.21LFKIriel: so I <OnLoad> self:RegisterEvent("PLAYER_REGEN_DISABLED") so that the addon is looking for the start of combat
21:08.13LFKthen I can call my <OnEvent function="blahblahblah" /> immediately after?
21:09.42IrielYou can DEFINE it after yes
21:09.48IrielIt wont get called until the event happens
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21:16.12ElkanoIriel, any idea if there is still a function that allows to test if an item is in the local cahce and thus not causing a server query?
21:16.22IrielElkano: there is not.
21:16.45IrielNor from the sound of things is there likely to be, but I was told they plan to add some events to make working with the new system more tolerable
21:17.15Elkanowell, there is GET_ITEM_INFO_RECIVED but it doesn't tell you any ids
21:18.03Elkanoalso I think I managed to hit their own limit even without an addon causing queries. just open tradeskill and a bunch of vendors with an empty cache in a crowded city
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21:20.05IrielI get D/C;ed almost every time I go back to S/W
21:20.07Irielit's quite annoying
21:20.10IrielI hope they fix it soon
21:24.28AmarandeIriel: Client side error, I'm sure
21:24.35AmarandeI've been to SW a few times today. No problems.
21:24.39Elkanowell, in my case it wasn't a disconnect, it just didn't display anything in the vendor screen
21:24.45Amarandehmmm.
21:24.51Amarandehave you guys let the launcher fully update before logging on?
21:24.58Amarandeapparently that fixes quite a number of glitches.
21:25.04IrielAmarande: Up to the point where it's just messing around with local files, always
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21:25.09ElkanoI tend to most of the time
21:25.19Amarandehmm.
21:25.34AmarandeHow would I make a macro that either iceblocks me or cancels iceblock if I already have it?
21:25.47AmarandeSomehow I have a feeling that taking the time to type /cancelaura Ice Block in raids or heroics will be a bad thing ;)
21:26.04torndAfternoon! I'm trying to hook into the ApplySettings-function inside the Skada bar addon here but I'm having some troubles getting it to work. I found this code in another similar addon and tried to duplicate it, but all I get is a stack overflow error from some recursion problem
21:26.10torndhttps://gist.github.com/746888
21:26.12torndanyone have any idea?
21:26.14Amarande(also, preferably in a way that lets it still have the usual Iceblock graphic and tooltip)
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21:26.23Elkanowell, I'm mainly looking for some way to fix ItemDB, but it sucks if you can't tell if calling a function multiple times for different ids is 'safe'
21:26.26torndwhat I'm trying to achieve is basically running some custom code after the barmod:ApplySettings() function has completed
21:26.54torndwithout having to hack Skada directly to do it
21:29.35Hirsute_tornd: Should line 4 be barmod.ApplySettings, instead of barmod:ApplySettings?
21:29.51Amarandeor are classes with bubbles pretty much going to have to revert to using Blizzard frames in order to be able to cancel said bubbles in a timely manual fashion?
21:30.00LFKAmarande: normally a macro that is /cast Iceblock /cancelaura Iceblock will work, unless you have a habit of mashing the button since on the first click it will try to instantly cancel iceblock before you've finished casting it, so it does nothing.
21:30.35LFKI use something similar for Enrage and it works... almost flawlessly.
21:30.40AmarandeLFK: and what do you add to the macro to make it show the normal icon and tooltip for the ability you use it with?
21:30.54torndHirsute_: well basically, that code (in my head) should create a new function called ApplySettings_ inside the barmod as a clone of the original ApplySettings function, then I'll add a new ApplySettings-function to the barmod (removing the old one) and have that function call ApplySettings_ before running any custom code
21:31.16LFKuse the ? icon and it'll automatically use the Iceblock icon and tooltip since Iceblock is the first spell referenced in the macro
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21:31.53LFKAmarande: or, if you want to be sure, use #showicon Iceblock #showtooltip Iceblock
21:32.56WyktinNot sure who to ask but hitting a wall on this, is there a way to order the guild window to open through a script (OnClick, using kgPanels), rather than through a macro?  Ive done some searches, but coming up with nothing.
21:33.52IrielWyktin: there's a global function for most of the key panels
21:34.20Hirsute_tornd: I understand what you're trying to do, but you've defined the function as an entry in the barmod table (barmod*.*ApplySettings) then calling it as a method (barmod*:*ApplySettings)
21:34.33Amarandeyay there we go.
21:34.42IrielToggleGuildFrame() toggles it
21:35.19torndHirsute_: calling barmod.ApplySettings_(win) on line 4 yields the same result
21:35.51ElkanoHirsute_, t:f(a) is the same as t.f(t, a)
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21:37.12Hirsute_Elkano: I certainly won't argue with you, I just had vague memories of having problems in the past when I defined a function with getting "Attempt to call method foo, a nil value" if I tried to call it as a method, but I could be remembering things inaccurately.
21:37.44Wyktin@Iriel:  Thank you.  That works perfectly. I found others such as GuildRoster, but I suspect that was just querying the server but would require something else to display it.  Could be wrong though.
21:38.08augustlis there a way to have the same settings across all characters for the default chat frames?
21:38.40ElkanoWyktin, yeah, GuildRoster() just asks the server for an update on the guild data
21:38.53Elkanoaugustl, if you find one, let me know...
21:39.30augustl:)
21:39.36augustlcould write an addon for that I guess
21:40.25torndguess I can use HookScript() on the frame though, since all I'm really trying to do is reposition the frame
21:42.26Amarandehmm, also, can you do a fishing macro that automatically equips your fishing pole if it is not or is that beyond the ability of macros?
21:43.09Elkanowould be conditional so I don't think it works... but I could be wrong
21:43.23Teomyrtry something like [noequipped:Fishing Pole]
21:43.27Teomyrnot sure if that works
21:44.25Amarandebtw, whoever speculated that archaeology items do not normally appear underwater (apart from Vashj'ir, possibly) was wrong
21:44.39AmarandeI just found one in EPL that's under the water and I'm like "where the hell is it?" for a moment
21:45.29Amarandeand now two *in the same dig* that were
21:45.37LFKyeah, there's a couple. There's also one at that same spot that's a few yards outside the survey area
21:45.46Fiskerugh
21:45.54Fiskerheroics are shit when you are 4 melee :/
21:46.00Amarandethe one that's west of Corin's Crossing has underwater fossils.
21:46.21AmarandeFisker: yeah, despite my guild leader's attempts to reassure me, I'm *not entirely convinced* that MDPS is at a disadvantage in cata 5-mans
21:46.28Amarandeer, isn't at a disadvantage
21:46.42ElkanoTeomyr, that could acctualy work ^^
21:46.51AmarandeI die more often on a DK than mages do, and the last boss of Tol'vir looks just HORRID for melee
21:47.23Fiskerwe just did the last boss in tol'vir as melee :P
21:47.33Fiskerit was retarded ;_;
21:48.04torndhm, no, apparently the code I was trying to override runs after any OnShow event
21:48.10Elkanoor rather Fishing Poles
21:48.20torndso is there an "appropriate" way of doing what I'm trying to do? override methods in third party modules?
21:48.35AmarandeFisker: yeah, I'm really not sure how melee are best supposed to handle that
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21:48.42AmarandeElk, what's the macro command to activate fishing?
21:48.46Amarande"/cast Fishing" or is it different?
21:49.16AmarandeThe main issue I see with Tol'vir final boss as melee:
21:49.23AmarandeThere are adds, all of which MUST DIE, in three scattered locations
21:49.36Amarandepretty much the *entire middle of the battle arena* is don't-stand-in-the-shit most of the fight
21:49.45LFKI think I might have found my problem, but I'm not sure: do I need the double parenthese at the end of my function nane e.g. "ManaNanny()" when I reference my function in my OnEvent tag?
21:49.52Amarandeand with healer mana management as it is, it's basically a hobble DPS race.
21:50.00Amarandeaka, *ugh*.
21:50.49TeomyrLFK: no, function name alone
21:51.22LFKwell, crappity crap then
21:52.35Amarandewe had two MDPS in our regular Tol'vir run and it took two tries and the healer was basically oom at the end of the second attempt
21:52.41AmarandeI don't even want to think about that boss on heroic on my DK :(
21:52.55Fiskeroh it was easy Amarande
21:53.05Fiskerwe just had one melee dps'ing!
21:53.09Fiskerproblem solved
21:54.33LFKIt's fine with 1 MDPS, but you're right about multiple, the game has always put extra strain on MDPS and it all gets offloaded to the healer with each additional one you add. It really doesn't help on Heroic when all three MDPS decide to stand in Lockmaw's dust cloud >:-|
21:58.13AmarandeLFK: Yeah, I'm beginning to not be sure I'll continue my priest ... and Amarelya was my first character ever :(
21:58.20Amarandenot only is she a healer, but also a tailor
21:58.42Amarandeand Tailoring and Leatherworking appear to be the two most brutal professions in Cata by far
21:59.08AmarandeI have a guildie on my Horde guild who is a hell of a lot more hardcore than I. He's a tailor. He *still*, despite playing more hardcore than I, complains about there not being enough mats for tailoring.
21:59.41Fiskeri wish there was a dreamcloth craft for us with a cooldown but with 1 chaos orb as a material instead
21:59.42AmarandeAs for LW? Something like 1000g+ for a *chance* to gain a point during the last 10-15 points or so, according to my Horde guild's GM.
21:59.58AmarandeFisker: ungh, do not get me started on chaos orbs
22:00.13Amarandewhy did they decide to make those BoP again, after having decided in 2.4 that that was a bad idea?
22:00.21Fiskernono
22:00.34Fiskeryou misunderstand :P
22:00.36AmarandeIt punishes people unless they make their crafters their mains.
22:00.57foxlitGah, there so needs to be a unified world ceiling
22:01.02FiskerIt was removed because it basically because we were so far in that it didn't matter anymore
22:01.02AmarandeIf your main is dual gathering, like mine on Horde, it's a piece of high-value loot that's now completely useless to you.
22:01.10LFKWell, all the tradeskills kinda get boned in a way. Inscription needs to camp a vendor for a limited sale item to make the relics, JC's need to do daily quests for multiple days to buy each and every pattern...
22:01.11AmarandeFisker: ok, they didn't make LK orbs BoP though
22:01.20nevcairielA main dual gathering is fail anyway
22:01.20Fiskerthey did
22:01.29Fiskerthey were bop for several patches
22:01.37Fiskercan't remember exactly when they were made BoE
22:02.19AmarandeChaos Orbs simply benefit *only specifically people who have Leatherworking or Blacksmithing* pretty much. Maybe tailoring, but I'm not sure if they have both Dreamcloth and Orb recipes or just DC, and I haven't looked at Cata Engineering at all.
22:02.33AmarandeInscription doesn't seem to use them at all, and I'm not sure about JC.
22:02.39nevcairielthey can make cloth out of orbs
22:02.47AmarandeThey just had better give JC more love this expansion.
22:02.58LFKJC doesn't use the orbs, no
22:03.05AmarandeIn LK, the epic gems were the *only* upgrade they ever got past baseline recipes.
22:03.18AmarandeYou'd think they would have given them 245 and 264 neck/ring recipes.
22:03.36AmarandeBut noooo, in terms of gear items we never got anything past the 200 items that we started with.
22:03.54foxlitAmarande: I'm sure it's because you have a jewelcrafter, and Blizzard hates you personally.
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22:04.04AmarandeWhich pretty much no one ever wanted, until the Dungeon Finder came out and gave an incentive to buy them as a reasonable way to help meet the requirements for Heroics.
22:04.23nevcairielbecause JC is the only profession that never gets new stuff
22:04.31LFKI'm really hoping they put in a Titanium Dust equivalent. It's a huge pain in the ass to have no good patterns. I'm holing onto my Pyrite just in case.
22:04.37foxlitBesides, tailoring/et al need new patterns to actually sell crap
22:04.37Amarandenev: yeah, Inscription and Alchemy got the short end of it too
22:04.40foxlitGems? Sell at every turn.
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22:05.18AmarandeLFK: Yeah, they didn't include things like the damaged necklaces and waterlogged recipes this time, did they?
22:05.26nevcairielPlay an alchemist, you know all recipes after elveling up, and you wont get anything new
22:05.35foxlitflask.
22:05.39foxliter. vial.
22:05.48Fiskercauldrons!
22:06.41Amarandenev: at least alchemists have a chance for Discoveries, though, and the chance that you'll discover everything is virtually nil
22:06.55nevcairielwhat
22:07.01LFKIs this line garbage? <OnEvent> function(ManaNanny); </OnEvent>
22:07.10Amarandebtw, I read something that said a Blue once claimed that an alchemist will rarely ever get more than ... I think it was 4 or 5 discoveries in a lifetime
22:07.28Amarandeis that simple law of large numbers or does the chance actually decrease for each one you've had previously?
22:07.44nevcairielI discovered all possible recipes in wotlk
22:07.49LFKheh, I was Alch at the start of TBC with the full-bag bug. Discovered all the flasks in about 30 minutes.
22:07.58nevcairieli havent heard that there are discovs in cata
22:08.05Amarandespeaking of bugs and professions, I hope they fixed that one I heard about when I was in a BC heroic.
22:08.17Amarandeunfortunately, it's an exploit, so I can't really talk about it, but it's annoying and they'd better have fixed it.
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22:08.47Amarandenev: I think someone said it was possible to get the alchemy mount recipe via Discovery as well as archaeology
22:08.54AmarandeI'm not sure if that's true or not
22:09.02nevcairieli dont have to discover it if i can get the recipe from arch
22:09.29AmarandeBut yeah, BoP mats is annoying.
22:09.43AmarandeIt causes them to exist entirely outside the market value structure the entire rest of the tradeskill trade goes by.
22:09.46AmarandeUnless that's a good thing.
22:10.03nevcairielyou buy the mats at the vendor, they dont change price
22:10.04Amarande(is the free market actually a lot less good for people than free market advocates claim it to be, to the point of perhaps even being *bad* for people?)
22:10.16Amarandenev: I was mostly thinking of things like chaos orbs and their past incarnations
22:10.44Amarandewhere people can charge whatever they want because there's no handy price list like on the AH to keep things in check, and only certain professions benefit from them at all
22:11.44nevcairielI like the concept
22:11.52nevcairieland i dont have any profession that uses them
22:12.04foxlitsame.
22:12.19Gnarfozcan someone recommend a mp5 display addon? (ldb or otherwise)
22:12.26Amarandeso, you like the concept of people being able to put people at their mercy price wise rather than the market controlling things?
22:12.41AmarandeI kinda like the free market, and I say this as someone who has items that haven't sold on the AH for months due to undercuts.
22:12.42nevcairielI have friends, i run a heroic with them, they craft for me.
22:12.51foxlit^ Guildmates.
22:13.02Amarandenev: see, you're lucky, then
22:13.10nevcairielI'm not lucky
22:13.17nevcairielIf you dont have a guild, you just suck
22:13.18AmarandeIn my more serious guild, I wear plate
22:13.18foxlitBesides, I'm not buying this "free market" crap
22:13.20nevcairielIts a MMO
22:13.24MonolitHave you guys tried Eve online? It's my fav. economy model there.
22:13.26nevcairielit relys on player interaction
22:13.40foxlitThere's a free crafting market -- nobody is forcing you to go to a specific crafter.
22:13.41AmarandeAnd I don't think we really have an active blacksmith in guild, and if we do, I don't think they're geared for heroics.
22:14.03foxlitSo "zomg no AH for orbs!" kind of doesn't matter when there's an AH for craftables.
22:14.04Amarandeour most active crafters are a tailor, an alchemist, and a LW.
22:14.39Amarandefoxlit: no more being able to save money though by farming all your own mats (or buying them, in cases like late in WotLK where pre-crafted 245 and 264 cost thousands of gold more than the mats)
22:14.43DashkalBleh.  Holly McNarland - Home is where my feet are.  <-- impossible to find
22:15.10Amarandeat least, unless you're only dealing with scribes, alchemists, JCs, and enchanters
22:15.52LFKDashkal: I'd swear I've got that
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22:16.21nevcairielYou can also find crafters that sell their orbs
22:16.24A-KOhttp://www.thedailyblink.com/comics/2010-12-17-086.jpg
22:16.25nevcairieland craft with your mats
22:16.28DashkalI had it years ago, but lost it.  Doesn't seem to be for sale, and I can't even source it using "alternative methods"
22:17.07LFKIt's not in my iTunes so it's probably in a box somewhere, but it's also up on LastFM
22:17.12LFKhttp://www.last.fm/music/Holly+McNarland/Home+Is+Where+My+Feet+Are
22:17.24Amarandenev: yeah, but BoP orbs tend to create inflated prices for the same things
22:17.28Amarandebecause it's a lot harder to shop around
22:17.42nevcairielIts also hard to get them
22:17.50DashkalLFK: <3
22:18.03Amarandewith BoE orbs (as in LK), there may be only a few people who can craft item X, but there's also many many sources of orbs competing head to head (via the AH).
22:18.21nevcairielwhich just destroys prices
22:18.25Amarandewith BoP orbs, there's only a few people who can craft item X *and they are the only source for mats*. Price goes through the roof because they *know* they've got you by the balls.
22:18.47nevcairielIf you have a pretty unique recipe, you should be able to earn with it.
22:18.49AmarandeHell, even *without* the "only source for mats" things, Cata meta gems are going for like 2.5k apiece.
22:19.14AmarandeOne does kind of get the impression that LK kinda ruined crafting, though.
22:19.16Dashkal*sigh* and still not for sale
22:19.26Dashkalshhort of ebay, anyway
22:20.14AmarandeOr at least, made it really expensive to level, without a good chance of recovering the resources you spent.
22:21.00AmarandeAt best, you needed an enchanter alt to soothe the cost of leveling crafts in LK, so you could DE everything and make scrolls
22:21.53nevcairielit shouldnt be just an excercise in clicking enough buttons to level
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22:22.27LFKYAAAAY! I got it to register the start of combat! I MADE MY MOD DO SOEMTHING!
22:22.39Amarandealso, a fully free, unprotected market will eventually completely destroy the value of investing time, I'm guessing :S
22:23.04Amarandebecause eventually, the market will correct itself so that the ratio between cost of mats and cost of produced item approaches one.
22:23.18AndChat-Woot!  Got irc going on my droid :)
22:23.25Amarandeat which point, investing time into doing the latter is useless, since you were better off selling the mats
22:23.29Amarande(this is what happened in LK, isn't it.)
22:24.03Amarandethis is also what, ultimately, drove all those universal need rolls on battered hilts and such like that pissed me off, I'm guessing.
22:24.30DashkalI suspect part of the reason for that is because of the glut of crafters who took those profs for the perks.  "Crafting" was less valuable due to saturation.
22:24.42AndChat-And now I shoot the program for ignoring my nick...
22:24.43Monolitwow market lacks some sort of "contract" system, which would be usefull when you have some materials for certain expensive crafts, but you don't know which one will give you the most profit or will be easiest to sell, you have to either look for custumer or just kinda gamble based on current situation
22:25.09cleverhow wuld i take texture widget and mask out one color?
22:25.10Amarandewith the crafting market destroyed, and the mats market driven ever lower by an increasing number of dual gatherers, eventually people needed *something* to cover the cost of constant repair bills, flasking, gems, and enchants.
22:25.48Amarandenot to mention Gearscore made it worse, I'm supposing, since with the lower emphasis on guilds in most of LK a lot of people NEEDED that large infusion of cash to buy a key upgrade to meet raid leaders' requirement drum.
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22:27.10ElkanoAmarande, wrt fishing: no idea... I use FishermansFriend so I don't need a button
22:27.31Amarandeactually, those BoP orbs are probably a better thing now than they will be in the future
22:28.16AmarandeNow, it has its merits, especially helping people recoup some of the deathly expensive costs of leveling (leatherworking GAH. my guild leader on horde says it takes eventually over 1000g just for a CHANCE - not even a certainty - of your next skill up)
22:28.27LebQzzwho was making tomtom`?
22:28.31AmarandeIn the future, it will be just painful as hell when people are trying to catch up on their alts
22:28.46Amarandeespecially if we get new instances in future with higher ilvl requirements (like ICC5's)
22:29.30Amarandewhen even the rep gear will stop being good enough, and the tiered ilvl requirement structure will eventually force people to rely on expensive auction house and crafted items
22:29.45foxlitAmarande: it's all doom and gloom with you, isn't it?
22:29.47LebQzzalready now I'm feeling that problem with all my professions alts first i have to quest in Twilight to get access to recpies, then, abtually have to get them in HC gear to get orbs.
22:29.49LFKI feel like watching RoboCop tonight
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22:30.18AndChat-.
22:30.39ckknightis there an addon like LuckyCharms out there that works well?
22:31.05Elkano@describe LuckyCharms
22:31.06RepoElkano: No project found that matches 'luckycharms'
22:31.22ckknightLuckyCharms was an addon that make it easier to set raid markers on people
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22:31.29ckknighton mobs, I mean
22:31.37Amarandefoxlit: it's better if people don't eventually have to play day and night and give up all other interests just to catch up to what is expected by the rest of the game community if they get in, or their current character gets in on things late
22:31.52Elkanohmm, good question... aren't the new flares protected?
22:31.57foxlitAmarande: you're extrapolating doom from an already flawed model of gloom.
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22:32.09Amarandeconsider late LK, where most raids pretty much expected that new players would have the time and dedication to farm 20,000+ gold to buy BoE in order to meet their gearscore requirements
22:32.25Amarande(i.e., the time when it was still Frost and Triumph badges, before it all became JPs)
22:32.45LFKOkay, so if I load multiple events how do I get specific functions to pair with specific events? Is that something I specify in the <OnEvent> tag?
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22:33.14Amarandegranted, I did probably eventually invest that much gold in my DK after I finally got to raid, but if I'd been told I had to farm it up just for a *chance to start raiding*? that's just suck.
22:33.17foxlitMeh. PuG raiding is doing it wrong.
22:33.35LFK<OnEvent PLAYER_REGEN_DISABLED> print("You are in combat!"); </OnEvent>???
22:33.38Amarandefoxlit: heh, yeah.
22:33.50foxlitckknight: personally, I use OPie.
22:34.16ckknightI need to check that out
22:34.21Elkanolfk, try <OnEvent> if event == "PLAYER_REGEN_DISABLED" then print("You are in combat!") end </OnEvent>
22:34.47Amarandethe other night we tried doing a heroic ICC10
22:34.52Amarandehad to grab a couple of PUG members
22:34.58Amarandeand we got decimated by heroic Saurfang ... AT 85
22:35.18AmarandeAnd people all claimed that the LK raid titles and mounts should have been taken out "because LK raids are easy now" go figure lol
22:35.22ElkanoSaurfang was 4th, right? Did the tank grab the adds?
22:35.30AmarandeElkano: we never have the tank grab the adds
22:35.30LFKElkano: and I can have a chain of If/then statements with that and do I need to end each one separately?
22:35.40Amarandeyou *do not want* to tank the adds on HC
22:35.58Elkanolfk if elseif end should work
22:36.00Amarandethey must be kited, and people weren't doing that, so we got way too many marks and that, combined with terrible healer mana management at 85, made us go down like a stone
22:36.15Amarandeat 85, you can take the *damage* from the adds, but the marks will build up too quickly and you will die of that
22:36.33Amaranderemember: Saurfang gets stupid amounts of Blood Power from hits from blood beasts on HC.
22:36.54foxlitugh.
22:37.20foxlitTo me, that question seemed like an obvious "Did you fail it because your tank picked up the adds?"
22:37.33Amarandeand yeah, the tank didn't pick up the adds
22:37.37Amarandebut people weren't downing them fast enough
22:37.42solocommandanyone know of a quest tracker that is updated?
22:37.53Amarandeand healers are actually less effective in LK raid boss fights at 85 because cata seems to make healers OOM far more quickly
22:38.03Amarandethat makes me wonder. are Cata raid bosses even shorter affairs than LK ones were?
22:38.35LFKThe Tol Barad fight is pretty short
22:38.40AmarandeIt seems that they'd have to be, if the fights are as multiple targeted damage intensive as LK's
22:38.45Amarandebecause healers just can't sustain mana for as long anymore
22:38.55Amarandeor even mana users in general
22:38.58AndChat|wow, Nickserv hates me.  Tells me my nick is in use, so I try to ghost it and tells me it's not registered.  WTF
22:39.05A-KOyeah Amarande
22:39.12A-KOAmarande: I suspect they'll be making some changes though
22:39.21LFKthe videos I saw of a couple of the raids seemed to have bigger pauses, like the phase changes for the gnome dude in Ulduar
22:39.22A-KOright now
22:39.25A-KOyou *can't* mess up
22:39.25A-KOperiod
22:39.33A-KOand that's just not entirely right IMO
22:39.36A-KOthere has to be *some* wiggle room
22:40.04foxlitthe wiggle room is provided by gear, though
22:40.10A-KOnot by much
22:40.17foxlitThey give you some wiggle room today, and in two weeks you'll be steamrolling the current raid tier.
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22:40.51Elkanoalso remember that some heroic raid bosses are already killed, so gear isn't that important ;)
22:40.59A-KOyeah foxlit, but here's the problem--I don't quite have enough gear where I feel comfortable doing heroics with pugs. But I'm now out of the ability to do certain zones on regular mode to make up for some lower gear I still have
22:41.10AdysElkano: Uhm
22:41.27AdysElkano: just because heroic raid bosses have been killed doesnt mean the guys who killed them arent near-full epic
22:41.40A-KOyeah
22:41.43A-KOsome of those people are insane
22:41.46A-KOthey live, eat, and breathe WoW
22:41.49Adysyou can stuff yourself full 346-352 very easily, and add all the reputation epics to that
22:42.07Adysand no, just because you play wow enough to already be fully stuffed doesnt mean you're insane
22:42.17Adysive barely been playing, im full 346-352
22:42.27Adysand almost exalted with all factions
22:42.28Elkanoa-ko they had only one lockout non-hero so there's still lots of room for improvement on their gear
22:42.39AmarandeAdys: no, it just means that you have the time and inclination to do little with your free time but play WoW
22:42.55A-KOI don't know how you've been barely playing, I work on 4 reputations at a time, doing random dailies and random heroics, and regular heroics. and it's tough
22:43.00Adysit doesnt even TAKE that long :/
22:43.07augustlanyone know if there's an addon for disabling guild gold loot percentage in chat?
22:43.09AmarandeI'm still only barely geared enough for heroics on my DK, and I drove to 85 pretty hard
22:43.17augustlother than disabling money loot info in chat altogether
22:43.21A-KOyeah Amarande
22:43.22Elkano(though maybe I should check the ilevel of exalted faction gear and non-heroic raid gear/T11)
22:43.23A-KOand let's put it this way
22:43.30A-KOI've been playing WoW for the past 2 weekends nearly straight
22:43.32Amarandethe 329 hurdle is actually somewhat difficult to achieve if you don't want to use gear that is bad for you just because it's higher ilvl
22:43.36nevcairielYou can get heroic gear basically from reputation vendors
22:43.36A-KOincluding after work
22:43.38A-KOfor a few hours
22:43.52LFKBag-cheaters should burn.
22:43.59A-KO329 hurdle isn't too bad if you clear the Twilight Highlands quests
22:44.02nevcairielSome JP gear, some reputation gear, and you hit 329 easily
22:44.03A-KOand do some dungeons as you level
22:44.05Amarandemy frost DPS DK is actually still in several pieces of tank gear because of the ilvl stuff
22:44.21nevcairielYou know, the ilvl also works when you just have the stuff in the inventory
22:44.27Amarande'course, with groups as they are, tank gear is probably not so bad a thing :S
22:44.36Elkanonevcairiel, but how to get the JP gear with only random daily :/
22:44.38Amarandeafter all, dead death knights don't dps
22:44.44LFKI had a tank with an iLevel of 331, but an equipped iLevel of 308 trying to tank H. Lost City
22:44.58AmarandeElkano: yeah, exactly
22:45.01Elkano(asuming you don't have any from WotLK)
22:45.03Amarandeplus at 84, you don't want to pick Random at all
22:45.16nevcairielMaybe you people just suck
22:45.21nevcairieldid you consider that? :)
22:45.39Amarandebecause at 84, you get access to GB, HoO, and Tol'vir, and you really want to be driving hard for exalted with the faction or two that gives a good epic for your class and build
22:45.54Amarandehowever, that means completely forgoing a chance at JP, pretty much, until you hit 85 and can do heroics
22:46.15Adysnevcairiel: i did consider it
22:46.16Amarandebecause of the fact that if you pick Random at 84, there is a 40% chance or so of getting stuck with VP or SC, which you cannot rep up in
22:46.16foxlit"nevcairiel: Maybe you people just suck" << I cannot second this enough.
22:46.17Adysthat they just suck
22:46.34Elkanofoxlit, I just doubt the maybe part ;)
22:46.44AmarandeAnd while VP is not so bad as long as people handle temple adepts properly, SC is hell on wheels AND you can't rep in it.
22:46.47DagmarAmarande: Or, you could just do them because they're fun.
22:46.50DagmarStrange idea, I know.
22:47.04AmarandeDagmar: I find VP to be fun and SC to be massively irritating.
22:47.13DagmarI'd love it if the last few instances came up in the pug-finder at 85
22:47.21AmarandeUnfortunately, SC is by far the more likely random, because everyone goes through Deepholm and it's right there at the start
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22:47.32Amarandewhile VP actually requires you to fly out of your way to discover, and to my knowledge has no breadcrumbs
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22:47.41AdysWhat makes me giggle is the amount of people from WLK that would just outgear the void zones and top the dps meters getting their asses handed to them now. Supposed "guild elite" groups getting fucked in 5man heroics now.
22:47.41LFKhmm, this page doesn't do a good job at explaining the syntax for event registration. For registering multiple events do I want to put " around all of them or each individually, and are they comma separated?
22:47.42foxlityour knowledge is flawed.
22:47.44nevcairielIt does have breadcrumbs.
22:47.58Amarandeyeah, I suspect it must, since all six other cata instances do, but I don't think I ever found one
22:48.02ChaosIncHrm
22:48.03AdysLFK: to register multiple events, you call registerevent once per event
22:48.07nevcairielQuest in Uldum.
22:48.11Amarandeand I've been basically everywhere in Uldum.
22:48.13nevcairielIt leads to all three instances there
22:48.18DagmarAdys: Yeah, there's been a *lot* of 25-man-itis going around
22:48.22AmarandeI've gotten breadcrumbs for HoO and Tol'vir, but I don't remember one for VP.
22:48.39ChaosIncapparently doesn't like me in WowAce and here at the same time
22:49.08LFKAdys: so self:RegisterEvent() self:RegisterEvent() self:RegisterEvent(); or...
22:49.28AdysLFK: yes
22:50.06nevcairielIn any case, LFD groups currently mostly always suck
22:50.10ChaosIncor make an array and do a loop to save annoyance
22:50.12nevcairielMake some friends already
22:50.25Amarandenev: indeed. guild runs are always going a lot better right now.
22:50.57AdysNot really :P
22:51.13nevcairielDunno, depends on your guild i guess. Its in mine :P
22:51.16Adysyou get a good tank, a healer that doesnt suck, and you got a good LFD group more than likely
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22:51.34AdysI had a guild run tolvir wipe like 5 times on the 3rd boss (phoenix guy). stupid
22:51.39nevcairielIf you have a tank, and a healer, you already have a group. :p
22:51.50nevcairieldps are growing on trees
22:51.55Adysexactly
22:52.02Adyswhich makes tanks and healers more likely to be the good players
22:52.09ChaosIncI haven't seen my guild working together like it is now since BC
22:52.32nevcairielBad healers quikcly realized that they suck bad with the new healing model, and they went to dps
22:52.44LFKsemicolon after every registered event?
22:53.01AdysLFK: semicolons are ugly, don't use them
22:53.06Adysthey're optional in lua (like in js)
22:53.13ChaosIncSemicolon or period.  Both work.
22:53.46ChaosIncOh wait, misread.  My bad.
22:53.56nevcairielsemicolon or whitespace
22:54.13AdysPeriods are the new whitespace
22:54.17Adys<PROTECTED>
22:54.34ChaosIncHeh
22:54.40LFKCurrently I've got a linebreak after each self:RegisterEvent()
22:55.17AdysLFK: are you using xml?
22:55.37Amarandenev: even good healers are struggling with the new healing model
22:55.45Amarandeespecially priests and shamans
22:55.59Adysthat's good.
22:56.08Amarandewe have priests who were multiple-time KS who've gone shadow because they can't stand the constant mana issues
22:56.14LFKAdys: right now it's sadly all in the xml file because I'm trying to get a basic "in combat" "out of combat" trigger to work before I try peeling the actual functions out into the lua file.
22:56.17ChaosIncPriest healing has been rough for a bit now.
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22:56.35AdysLFK: whatever is in <script> is valid lua. but i strongly recommend using lua entirely instead of xml.
22:56.37AmarandeChaos: and caster shamans are almost all ele now ... apparently resto is even worse than priest heals
22:56.57Amarandealso, the days of bubble love seem to be over, now the priests that do heal are shifting to holy and dropping disc like a stone
22:57.02AdysAmarande: Im not saying it doesn't need some tweaking on mana regen and so on (and they're doing just that), but overall, HEALING IS HARD, SUCK IT UP. :P
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22:57.06ChaosIncAdys: xml is really the more difficult way to learn
22:57.16AdysChaosInc: Indeed it is
22:57.40AmarandeAdys: it's fine that healing poses a reasonable challenge now. even in bad UK groups I was still able to keep people up, even though I did *feel* like letting the DK who kept standing in front of dragons (ie., in fire) die
22:58.00nevcairielAdys: i would reword that, healing is challenging, and therefor fun, again
22:58.12Adysnevcairiel: ofc
22:58.16LFKI've been having problems getting my <OnEvent> function() to work at all, so I regressed to putting everything in the xml just so I could at least know it was doing something.
22:58.25ChaosIncAmar: haven't played a resto shaman so wouldn't know
22:58.57AdysLFK: you'd have a much better luck and understanding of the situation explaining your original issue in pure lua, and we could help you fix that instead :P
22:59.08airtonixAdys, qqmoar
22:59.08AdysLFK: regressing from lua to xml is bound to give you trouble.
22:59.37AmarandeAdys: the problem is that the healer goes rapidly from "challenged" to "just can't do it" once things turn adverse, simply because they no longer have the mana to do it
22:59.40airtonix:p
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22:59.48Amarandethen they STILL get blamed for the wipe
22:59.50foxlitScrew it, writing addons in pure XML just to spite people now
22:59.58airtonixYES!
23:00.01airtonixyou da man
23:00.59AmarandeYou also have to remember, I come from a background that's rather heavy on D&D based games and JRPGs. Therefore, the "sorry you're screwed" model that WoW throws at you usually when things go south is something that does tend to ruffle me somewhat on principle.
23:01.00airtonixAmarande, healers are like pre school teachers amongst neck-jobs.
23:01.12LFKWhat I'm trying to do at the moment is create a "turn the warning on when in combat, turn it off when out of combat" function, but since I'm starting from a step above scratch with lua all I want at the moment is to get it to recognize when I'm entering and leaving combat by printing a text notice.
23:01.46ChaosIncLFK: what isn't working in your func?
23:01.56LFKbeat the hell out of me.
23:02.04AdysLFK: thats extremely simple to do in pure lua.
23:02.06LFKI've had success getting it to recognize entering or leaving
23:02.14AmarandeD&D tended to focus mostly on offensive action, heals were practically mostly an inter-battle rather than intra-battle measure
23:02.23LFKbut the moment I tried to have both conditions it stopped working
23:02.23airtonixLFK, and how did you do that?
23:02.44airtonix~pastebin
23:02.44purl[~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you should paste anything over 3 lines so you don't flood the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://bin.cakephp.org/ , http://asterisk.pastey.net/ , or install pastebinit with yum or aptitude.
23:02.49ChaosIncDon't mind me, a bit slower from a phone on the typing
23:02.54airtonixgive SAUCE!
23:02.57AdysLFK: create a frame, register events to it, create a call back, on event, check if event == "ENTER_COMBAT" (or whatever it is), if it is print "Entering combat" else print "Leaving combat"
23:03.05AmarandeJRPGs are actually often HARDER than WoW fights - yet the paradigm has a couple of things I find notably lacking in WoW
23:03.23airtonixlike realtime?
23:03.24Amarandeone, in JRPGs, underpowered characters usually just mean you need more skill; in WoW, they mean you just Can't Do It.
23:03.26airtonixlol
23:03.27Adyswow isnt a jrpg
23:03.27Adys:p
23:03.35airtonixbut your face is
23:03.56Amarandetwo, you can usually recover from pretty much anything, as long as you know what you are doing and have the resources on hand and a little luck. in WoW, they want you to fall down that slippery slope and wipe once things start to go wrong.
23:04.07airtonixlubes up AdysFace
23:04.18AmarandeI'm not sure why those principles don't apply well to an MMO.
23:04.23LFKhere's the present embarrassment that is my xml file http://pastebin.com/SVRS2TzP
23:04.39LFKminus the header crap
23:04.40airtonixthats your first problem.
23:04.49ChaosIncThe event to use for entering combat would be "PLAYER_REGEN_DISABLED"
23:05.02Amarandeairtonix: actually, JRPGs have had realtime ever since Square invented Active Time Battle
23:05.06AdysLFK: events are not objects, they're strings
23:05.17Amarandewhich was ... FF4, I think
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23:05.19AdysLFK: to check for an event, do if event == "PLAYER_REGEN_DISABLED"
23:05.20airtonixAmarande, it's still not realtime.
23:05.36AdysLFK: have you enabled lua errors?
23:05.37Amarandeairtonix: yeah it is. mobs will continue to take actions as you decide and enter yours.
23:05.46airtonixno
23:06.10Amarandetry fighting Chac in FFX-2 without using the Cat Nip, and you'll see. it's nearly as hard as LK25 or so unless you have a gimmick.
23:06.15LFKAdys: I think they're off at the moment
23:06.18airtonixreal time !== spending five years selecting actions via drop down menus
23:06.21AdysLFK: theres your problem :P
23:06.31LFKAdys: well, one of many
23:06.39Amarandeairtonix: you could also say real time !== selecting hotkeys from your bars, though
23:06.39Adyssounds like someone's mad at eve online airtonix
23:06.55airtonixzing!
23:07.04Amarandeuntil we have an MMO where you do all your actions via Wii-esque controller gestures, we don't have "real time" by that definition
23:07.36Arrowmasteroh great more "Waggle the controller to not die" events
23:07.43airtonixkinky
23:07.56Cidewait
23:07.57TeomyrLFK: you could have a look at http://www.wowpedia.org/Handling_events which has a few example snippets
23:08.07LFKAdys: awesome, the missing " " was the problem
23:08.09AmarandeArrow: I mean more, by his definition of real time, anything that involves selecting a "do this" action and then the PC just executes it isn't.
23:08.13Cidehow is pressing a button and getting an immediate response different from using a wii controller and getting an immediate response?
23:08.23AdysLFK: the missing lua errors was the problem, you'd have caught it pretty quick :P
23:08.24AmarandeIt would have to be "swing the controller around like you were swinging a real sword to attack" to meet that strict of a definition.
23:08.26CideAmarande has some wow-bashing argument that's ultimately useless yet again I guess
23:08.30airtonixLFK, yes because it never stops being a string
23:08.37AdysLFK: go back to lua before you end up in xm-hell
23:08.40ArrowmasterCide: wii controller has slight input lag i would guess
23:08.47LFKTeomyr: I've got that page open, but it's only helping a bit. It's making mroe sense as I trial-and-error my way through, but it's a bit of a steep hill
23:08.50CideArrowmaster: not very much actually
23:08.56CideArrowmaster: but of course, there always is
23:08.57AmarandeCide: I'm guessing the paradigm difference here is
23:09.16Amarande"press a button, which causes your character to perform a 3D action" vs. "swing the controller around which causes your character to move the way you moved the controller"
23:09.25airtonixLFK, xml will just make your learning experience harder
23:09.25airtonixLFK, in this case.
23:09.48Ciderealtime has to do with whether your actions are immediate or somehow delayed depending on the state of the game
23:09.50Zhinjiothat isn't "real time", thats "real action"
23:10.05Zhinjio"real time" implies that things happen in the game world whether you act or not.
23:10.14Adyssurprise
23:10.15Adysthey do
23:10.15Cidethat too
23:10.38TeomyrLFK: also, depending on what you're trying to achieve (if you're not actually interested in when the fight begins/ends, but rather want to know "am I in combat right now"), the UnitAffectingCombat function might be easier to use
23:10.43Teomyr!api UnitAffectingCombat
23:10.43lua_botUnitAffectingCombat: Returns whether a unit is currently in combat (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/UnitAffectingCombat)
23:10.46drag0niushmm did anyone thought of creating "smart milling" or "smart prospecting" addon?
23:10.52ChaosIncLFK: it gets much easier real soon when you realize its pretty much the process to do everything.  It's not as hard as it first appears
23:11.03AmarandeZhinjio: exactly, and airtonix was trying to claim that Square-style Active Time Battle isn't real time
23:11.22Cidedoesn't matter
23:11.24ZhinjioAmarande: can't speak to that. I've not played it.
23:11.43Zhinjiobut from what it sounds like, it "pauses" real time for player to choose actions. Thats turn based, not real time.
23:11.44LFKSo I should be able to move that small bit of if event stuff over to my lua file as a new function then in my XML I just need to have my OnEvent be function("StartStopCombat")?
23:11.45Cidewhile your jrpg boss may be as difficult as heroic lk25 for a single person, the coordination involved of getting 25 people to do it right is vastly harder
23:11.50Gnarfozhmm
23:11.52AmarandeZhinjio: actually, it doesn't
23:11.55Gnarfozwhy can't I get http://www.wowhead.com/item=56467
23:11.56Gnarfoz?
23:11.57AdysLFK: easily, yes
23:11.59Amarandewhile you are choosing your actions, the mobs can do whatever.
23:12.00Gnarfozwas in heroic
23:12.03Gnarfozthe normal one dropped
23:12.06Zhinjiook. well, like I said, I haven't played it.
23:12.18foxlitGnarfoz: not the only item, too
23:12.20AdysGnarfoz: because BOE drops are bugged in HCs at the moment.
23:12.23Amarandeand some of the battles from FFX-2, especially, because of that real time aspect can be as nasty as WoW HCs
23:12.36Zhinjionods.
23:12.37AdysGnarfoz: heroic non-boss loot are non heroic atm
23:12.53Amarandepossibly more so, because you're trying to control three characters at once via an interface that lets you only enter one thing at a time
23:13.00Amarandetry multiboxing Cata heroics, you'll get the feeling :)
23:13.05AdysGnarfoz: hc brc boe drops are 300-306
23:13.17ChaosIncLFK, or just nuke the xml altogether ;)
23:13.32GnarfozAdys: so... I put in a ticket?
23:13.36Zhinjioyeah, those with preternatuarl reflexes can do that... I'll play one at a time, thanks.
23:13.37Adysno, it's a known bug.
23:13.37Zhinjioheh
23:13.41Zhinjiopreternatural*
23:13.46Gnarfozwell, yes, but that's not a solution, just an answer
23:13.56airtonixLFK, example of working Lua that uses events : https://github.com/tekkub/teksloot/blob/master/teksLoot.lua
23:14.02AdysGnarfoz: they wont give you the heroic one :P
23:14.05airtonixLFK, start at the bottom
23:14.27GnarfozAdys: they should!
23:15.06airtonixlocal in_soviet_russia = (GetLocale() == "ruRU")
23:15.19airtonix:D
23:15.47Adysairtonix: unnecessary parenthesing.
23:16.00foxlitbut nice style anyway
23:16.16Adysthere's been worse
23:16.29Cidelike using tabs
23:16.30Cide!!
23:16.31Gnarfoznice one regardless of parantheses
23:16.36Teomyri was expecting some "locale gets you"-themed joke, or am I missing it
23:16.52AdysTeomyr: https://github.com/tekkub/teksloot/blob/master/teksLoot.lua#L266
23:17.04drag0niusguys is there way to actually click macro inside code?
23:17.08airtonixfile teksLoot.lua December 30, 2009 In soviet russia addon localizes you! [tekkub]
23:17.13Teomyrah :P
23:17.14drag0niusor rather macro frame
23:17.16Teomyrlol
23:17.44airtonixxLoot was a nice addon
23:17.53airtonixi liked it
23:18.03LFKOkay, so, if I wanted to do it all in lua what does my xml file end up looking like? Just a Script tag and an empty frame?
23:18.14AmarandeZhinjio: that's why everyone uses the cat nip on Concherer and Chac. :)
23:18.14airtonixnothing
23:18.21airtonixLFK, you don't use xml at all
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23:18.28AmarandeThe good news is that Concherer can kill only one character on a turn.
23:18.42airtonixLFK, the two files you have in your addon folder will be :
23:18.55airtonixLFK, addonName.toc & addonName.lua
23:19.11LFKokay
23:19.21airtonixLFK, (of course you are going to be referencings the addonName.lua from within the addonName.toc)
23:19.31AmarandeThe bad news is that Concherer has over 300,000 HP, stupidly high defense to boot and WILL kill one character on a turn. Plus he has high enough agility that while you're busy inputting actions for three characters, oh wait, two! since one's almost always dead, oh wait! one who can attack, because one of those two is busy using a Phoenix Down!, he's godsmacking them over and over.
23:19.32airtonixlike is done here : https://github.com/tekkub/teksloot/blob/master/teksLoot.toc
23:20.11airtonixLFK, are you aware of the significance of the .toc file ?
23:20.12Amarande(Agility in ATB games translates exactly into the amount of real time it takes for a combatant's turn to come up. And of course, unlike you, who can only enter one person's action at a time, the mob will automatically take an action immediately every time that turn is up.)
23:20.36LFKairtonix yeah, it's the table of contents, it's waht Wow looks up so it knows what else to load
23:20.53Zhinjiohmm, I was going to say earlier that a "queueing" system isn't precisely real time, and it sounds like you're queueing action for your future "turns" to come up.
23:21.00airtonixLFK, yes and you have a basic understanding of what it means to be procedural?
23:21.00ZhinjioBut thats a nuance, and probably arguable either way
23:21.43LFKairtonix yeah, Iv'e got some experience with PHP
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23:22.42AmarandeZhinjio: no, you can't queue for future turns ... you can only select your action for the current turn
23:22.58Zhinjionods
23:23.01Zhinjiook
23:23.35Amarandeand you have a bar that fills in real time based on your agility stat, and empties each time you take an action
23:23.42Amarandeenemies have these too, but you don't get to see theirs
23:24.34airtonixi recently saw the latest final fantasy on a friends 5foot wide high res tv...
23:24.38airtonixsensory overload
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23:24.55airtonixdidnt help that i was stoned at the time too
23:25.43airtonixAmarande, wow needs to get some awesome spell effects like final fantasy does
23:29.44LFKOkay, if I'm reading this right then what I want to do with the lua is tell it to crete a frame and then give that frame the OnEvent script and the scriptHandler?
23:29.56airtonixyes
23:30.00LFKyaay
23:30.07ChaosIncYes
23:30.10Adys[23:01:57] <Adys> LFK: create a frame, register events to it, create a call back, on event, check if event == "ENTER_COMBAT" (or whatever it is), if it is print "Entering combat" else print "Leaving combat"
23:30.21airtonixqqmoar
23:30.39Adys(warning: spider webs) - <3 frozen webs http://www.pastethat.com/media/files/2010/12/18/IMAG0185.jpg
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23:32.38CideAdys: that's awesome
23:32.43Adysit is
23:32.53Cidehope the spider piece of shit freezes to death though
23:35.29tlund@project afkquit
23:35.30Repotlund: http://www.wowace.com/addons/afkquit/. AFK Quit. Game: WoW. Status: Needs approval. tlundse (Manager/Author). Updated: 22 seconds ago
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23:37.55Cidetlund: shameless plug much
23:38.08tlundCide: huh?
23:38.17Cidewhy link your own addon? :P
23:38.26tlundi did not link it, i checked the status
23:38.49Cide22 seconds after you uploaded it?
23:39.06tlundno, 22 seconds after i did a commit
23:39.11Cideyeah
23:39.20Cidesurely you had access to the url without linking the whole channel!
23:39.35tlund[00:38] #wowuidev <tlund> i did not link it, i checked the status
23:39.50Cidethereby indirectly linking it
23:39.53Cidewww.ctmod.net
23:39.55Adystlund: cide is just jealous because he doesn't get any plug action
23:40.02Cide^ just typing it so I can open the link easier
23:40.03zenzelezzI don't think it did any harm, btu I'm with Cide on this
23:40.19Cideright
23:40.22CideI don't really mind
23:40.28Cidejust think it was a plug!
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23:41.25Adysits also a kinda cool idea, tlund
23:41.31Cideyep
23:41.38CideI would think that you would be able to use the popup though
23:41.49Cidethat displays the countdown to disconnect
23:41.53Cidewhatever event that uses
23:41.56tlundthat doesnt happen if you are in a city
23:42.01Cideah
23:42.19tlund(i have been using this in private for 2+ years)
23:42.33tlundre-written from scratch a few times :)
23:43.26tlundhow often does the "downloads" counter on curse update?
23:45.12Cideevery kilopi seconds
23:45.56ChaosInctlund: wanna cookie?  :P
23:46.26CideSet-Cookie: have=this
23:52.55ChaosIncError: Cannot have.  "this" is depreciated
23:53.12airtonix:(
23:53.13AdysInvalidErrorException: User cannot spell deprecated
23:53.25Cide^ win
23:53.26airtonixumad?
23:54.15ChaosIncUser can spell fine.  Stupid phone "autocorrects"
23:54.49Cideclearly the programmers' word list is deprecated
23:55.01Cideor dare I say, depreciated
23:55.24zenzelezzobject-oriented programming never really hit it off in communist nations; there was no concept of "self", only "us"
23:55.52ChaosIncair: nice troll attempt ;)
23:56.27airtonixBeg pardon, sir/madam, but I must contend that the state of affairs in actuality contradicts the premises you have proposed.
23:56.58zenzelezzbit rude to tell him to beg for pardon
23:56.58drag0niusguys
23:57.06drag0niushow can i click macro with in-game command?
23:57.10airtonix~leech
23:57.10purlRecursive download automation tool. URL: http://nostamp.dynip.com/kars/phplib/projects/leech.phtml
23:57.14ChaosInc"That means 'no'."
23:57.31Cidethat means "rtfm"
23:57.48zenzelezzdrag0nius: do you mean how to run a macro from code?
23:57.57airtonixzenzelezz, no he means
23:58.08airtonixhow can i recreate wowglider in lua
23:58.14drag0nius:P
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23:58.24ChaosIncI think he's asking if a slash command can execute a macro
23:58.25drag0niusi heard there was sth like launching macro one after another
23:58.25airtonixBUSTED
23:58.43drag0nius<PROTECTED>
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23:58.59zenzelezzthat's what I was thinking, but I'm not sure how it works
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23:59.28drag0niuswell i wanna make smart milling
23:59.44drag0niusbut 1st i need to re-generate macro before using it
23:59.47Krapsevenin me hearties

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