| 00:00.22 | Cide | definitely |
| 00:01.38 | Atriace | Have you used ckk's python script, Cide? |
| 00:02.08 | Cide | why would I? |
| 00:02.30 | Atriace | Well, you recommended it the other day. I thought you might've. |
| 00:02.34 | Cide | no I didn't |
| 00:02.41 | Cide | I've never even heard of it |
| 00:03.17 | Atriace | Ah, that's right. You mentioned the WoWIUploader |
| 00:03.26 | Cide | no I didn't |
| 00:03.43 | Cide | I just said that disliking a java application because it wasn't a shell script is stupid |
| 00:04.23 | Atriace | That you did. Thanks, a bit off topic though. |
| 00:04.29 | Atriace | Are you still here, ckknight? |
| 00:05.35 | Cide | that was off topic? |
| 00:05.36 | Cide | youbrought it up |
| 00:06.13 | Atriace | No, your particular intent and what was said. I'm looking for more info on the python script |
| 00:06.27 | Cide | what are you talking about |
| 00:06.37 | Cide | how was my intent off topic |
| 00:06.46 | Atriace | http://kb.curseforge.com/projects/uploading-through-a-script/ |
| 00:07.39 | Atriace | "Atriace: Have you used ckk's python script, Cide?" <-- topic |
| 00:07.55 | Atriace | My appologies for the confusion. |
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| 00:08.21 | airtonix | i don't believe you |
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| 00:19.09 | p3lim | anyone mind posting something for me on the interface forums? I don't have an active wow account so I'm unable to |
| 00:19.59 | Atriace | Forums are down. |
| 00:20.02 | p3lim | nope |
| 00:20.25 | p3lim | oh, the US ones are down |
| 00:20.31 | p3lim | EU forums are still up |
| 00:20.33 | Atriace | :/ |
| 00:22.38 | p3lim | new forums looks good tho |
| 00:23.13 | Atriace | I had bookmarked a bug report I needed to add to and the new forums lost the post. |
| 00:23.23 | Atriace | But they do indeed look nice. |
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| 00:31.48 | Kraps | can usb ports affect each others performance? |
| 00:32.03 | airtonix | possibly |
| 00:32.07 | airtonix | depends |
| 00:33.07 | Kraps | i think these 2 are |
| 00:33.42 | airtonix | are you experiencing time dilation ? |
| 00:33.59 | Atriace | Depends on the hub. If it's on your system motherboard, unlikely. However, if it's an external hub, each item on the hub shares the same 30mb bandwidth |
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| 00:34.20 | p3lim | still need someone to post on the forums for me :) |
| 00:34.53 | Mr_Rabies | whoaaa |
| 00:34.56 | airtonix | no |
| 00:35.06 | Mr_Rabies | tomtom does NOT like hellfire ramparts for some reason |
| 00:35.26 | Mr_Rabies | fps done asplode when i went in there |
| 00:35.36 | airtonix | only noobs goto ramps |
| 00:35.51 | airtonix | you have discovered a hidden agenda of tomtom |
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| 00:37.03 | Mr_Rabies | i'm thinking it's the lack of instance map |
| 00:37.10 | Mr_Rabies | i thought they added instance maps to tbc instances too? |
| 00:38.14 | airtonix | adds Mr_Rabies to an instance |
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| 00:58.49 | Gnarfoz | is there a command to show which gfx engine is being used? |
| 01:06.04 | foxlit | You know, in all the boilerplate curseclient generates for submitted ticket, there's no actual WoW client version. |
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| 01:39.42 | Tuller | nachos |
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| 02:20.58 | Cide | hi |
| 02:22.08 | Thunder_Child | no |
| 02:23.15 | Cide | someone needs to check my highlighting for me |
| 02:23.51 | Jerub | Cide: ? |
| 02:23.53 | Cide | type these sentences for me, one line at a time: "hi cide", "cide: hi", "cider hi", "hi cider", "cide hi", "cide!", "cide" |
| 02:24.05 | Jerub | Cider: you're mad. |
| 02:24.19 | Thunder_Child | Cide: go make another acount and do it yourself? |
| 02:24.25 | Cide | too lazy |
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| 02:24.33 | Thunder_Child | same |
| 02:24.36 | Cide- | but fine |
| 02:24.46 | Cide- | cide! |
| 02:24.55 | Cide- | !cide! hi |
| 02:24.59 | Cide- | acideb |
| 02:25.07 | Cide- | cide |
| 02:25.10 | Cide | it works, sweet |
| 02:25.20 | Xyphoid | zcide |
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| 02:27.03 | Cide | irssi's regex support is awful |
| 02:27.13 | Cide | what should have taken one regex with lookbehind and lookahead took 4 |
| 02:27.42 | ajmitch | doesn't it use pcre? |
| 02:27.54 | Cide | don't ask me |
| 02:28.00 | Jerub | Cide: lookbehind and lookahead are awful :( |
| 02:28.04 | Cide | ... |
| 02:28.05 | Cide | why? |
| 02:28.22 | Cide | ajmitch: google says it uses the posix library in libc |
| 02:28.49 | Jerub | Cide: because they make regular expressions no longer DFA/NFA engines. |
| 02:29.01 | Cide | and? |
| 02:29.05 | Cide | I could care less what they are |
| 02:29.09 | Cide | s/could/couldn't/ |
| 02:29.12 | Cide | ^ cog|away |
| 02:29.37 | Cide | but I do care about their utility |
| 02:29.47 | Cide | and they lack a lot of power without lookaround |
| 02:30.44 | ajmitch | right, I shouldn't have assumed pcre, I thought I'd read it used it somewhere |
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| 02:49.48 | crazedfred | So potentially dumb question: I'm seeing a lot of addons with "embedded" libraries like AceAddon and AceLocale inside their current folders. Wouldn't it make sense to bundle these separately, and only load each library once? |
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| 02:50.17 | crazedfred | my own Addons folder appears to have at least a dozen copies of AceAddon, for example |
| 02:50.30 | Torhal | crazedfred: Some folks do it that way. Takes more thought, though. |
| 02:50.50 | crazedfred | Torhal: by "thought," you mean...? |
| 02:50.55 | Torhal | Most people don't want to have to know about the existence of libs, much less that X lib is required for Y AddOn. |
| 02:51.00 | crazedfred | I see |
| 02:51.09 | Torhal | I run disembedded. |
| 02:51.26 | Torhal | Curse actually has a facility to make it easier |
| 02:51.31 | crazedfred | Could you link me? |
| 02:51.38 | Torhal | Most AddOns there have a -nolib version |
| 02:51.50 | crazedfred | I was actually about to ask if the Curse client has a way to unpackage all that |
| 02:51.54 | Torhal | Yep. |
| 02:52.11 | Torhal | It's under preferences, I believe. Not really sure since CC4 doesn't run on Linux. |
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| 02:52.30 | Thunder_Child | thats ok |
| 02:52.35 | Thunder_Child | it doesnt run very well at all |
| 02:52.51 | Thunder_Child | it's like the itunes of wow addon clients |
| 02:52.55 | Torhal | Heh |
| 02:53.11 | crazedfred | Torhal: when you say you "run disembedded," I'm guessing you mean you do it manually? |
| 02:53.18 | Thunder_Child | it's a great program, but it takes 1000000x more resources than it needs to |
| 02:53.40 | Torhal | crazedfred: I used to, but CC3 works fine on Linux. |
| 02:53.45 | crazedfred | Torhal: gotcha |
| 02:53.59 | crazedfred | I'm surprised someone doesn't have a quick web app to do w/e the CC does |
| 02:54.15 | crazedfred | That's the main reason I don't use the client, I'm lazy and don't feel like downloading software, lol |
| 02:54.16 | Torhal | It's not really possible. |
| 02:54.25 | crazedfred | Oh? |
| 02:54.30 | Thunder_Child | a web app cant auto-update |
| 02:54.35 | Thunder_Child | afaik |
| 02:54.38 | crazedfred | F5.... ? |
| 02:54.42 | Torhal | The only reason Curse can pull it off is because of the packager and folks who use .pkgmeta in their repositories |
| 02:54.47 | Thunder_Child | i mean auto-update your addons |
| 02:54.52 | crazedfred | Ah |
| 02:54.59 | crazedfred | Yea it'd be a manual run, fair enough |
| 02:55.02 | Torhal | So the packager actually makes two versions of each release |
| 02:55.46 | Torhal | People who manually upload their AddOns to CurseForge will always have embedded libraries. |
| 02:56.11 | crazedfred | Whereas you can set some flag to make the packager include libraries? |
| 02:56.16 | Thunder_Child | i wonder if cata will delete the old content off your computer after the releasedate |
| 02:57.12 | Torhal | crazedfred: http://kb.curseforge.com/projects/pkgmeta-file/ |
| 02:57.15 | Thunder_Child | i really dont want my game to continue getting larger than 30GB |
| 02:57.37 | crazedfred | Thunder_Child: I was wondering that :) |
| 02:57.56 | crazedfred | Torhal: excellent, thanks. |
| 02:58.29 | crazedfred | Torhal: and am I correct in thinking that running withOUT embedded libraries would be preferable as far as memory use goes, correct? |
| 02:58.44 | crazedfred | Torhal: but instead many choose to embed for convenience? |
| 02:59.59 | Torhal | crazedfred: No - most every library uses LibStub, which overwrites old versions with new ones and otherwise aborts if it finds the lib already in memory |
| 03:00.03 | bleeter | do the new Cookie's Tenderizers also fail to show any enchants? |
| 03:00.23 | Torhal | All disembedded does is make it so the lib is only loaded once instead of how ever many times you have AddOns that use it... |
| 03:00.42 | bleeter | coz sure as heck still not showing on low level tenderizers still |
| 03:00.47 | bleeter | still |
| 03:00.48 | Torhal | It also allows for better memory/CPU profiling since the libs are standalone and don't show up as the first AddOn that loaded them |
| 03:00.48 | crazedfred | Torhal: so nothing really different, at all then? |
| 03:00.52 | bleeter | ~emulate bleeter |
| 03:00.52 | purl | ACTION rant RANT rant waaa MOAR COFFEE <sub>GOOD IDEA</sub>rant waa MOAR COFFEE rant rant MOAR MOAR <blink><h1>terribad idea</h1></blink> rant |
| 03:00.54 | crazedfred | Torhal: oic |
| 03:01.16 | Torhal | crazedfred: You'll see a loading-time improvement since the lib is only loaded from disk once. |
| 03:01.22 | crazedfred | Torhal: gotcha. |
| 03:01.39 | crazedfred | Shame there aren't separate Addons and Libraries folders in Interface |
| 03:01.53 | Torhal | Libs are a community concept :) |
| 03:01.56 | crazedfred | Right |
| 03:02.15 | bleeter | libs liberal community communist |
| 03:02.15 | crazedfred | Sounds like a lot of people choose a sub-optimal choice because it can be a mess to deal with things the other way |
| 03:02.31 | bleeter | TEH RUSSIANS R CUMIN |
| 03:03.34 | Torhal | crazedfred: Yup. They just want shit to work, without having to know anything about WHY it works. |
| 03:03.48 | crazedfred | gotcha |
| 03:05.19 | Arrowmaster | crazedfred: the library concept was created before any updater programs existed, back then people were extremely bitchy about addons with dependencies |
| 03:05.47 | crazedfred | heh, fair enough |
| 03:08.31 | Kraps | hey, i got a gift |
| 03:10.06 | Kraps | the wow mag, or 2 of these 3: pop sci, pop mag, wired |
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| 03:13.52 | airtonix | yeah i also <bunch of letters> |
| 03:14.57 | Kraps | oh come on airtonix |
| 03:15.09 | Kraps | btw |
| 03:15.31 | Kraps | s/pop mag/pop mech/ |
| 03:16.42 | airtonix | wow <random numbers> |
| 03:16.57 | Kraps | h8 |
| 03:17.11 | airtonix | way to plipserfloggern |
| 03:17.28 | airtonix | you'll definitely need lube for that |
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| 03:21.45 | Kraps | hey, i got a gift |
| 03:21.47 | Kraps | a choice of the wow magazine, or 2 of these 3: popular science, popular mechanics, or wired |
| 03:22.35 | airtonix | hey |
| 03:22.52 | airtonix | you should take the one that gets you the most money at the second hand book store |
| 03:23.04 | Kraps | lawl |
| 03:23.11 | airtonix | or the one with the highest density |
| 03:23.18 | Kraps | why? |
| 03:23.21 | airtonix | compress for firewood |
| 03:23.31 | Kraps | no fireplace :( |
| 03:23.36 | airtonix | use your face |
| 03:23.45 | airtonix | :) |
| 03:23.58 | airtonix | Flaming Krap |
| 03:24.27 | Kraps | it burnssssss ussssss |
| 03:24.40 | airtonix | i find this amusing |
| 03:24.45 | airtonix | i am amused |
| 03:24.47 | Kraps | that reminds me |
| 03:25.13 | Kraps | i need to finish the last 5 pages of The Hobbit |
| 03:25.18 | airtonix | ok |
| 03:25.24 | airtonix | i give you permission |
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| 03:28.17 | Kraps | where is everyone? |
| 03:28.23 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: i would go with the 2 pop's at least you get something good every month |
| 03:28.33 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: it's the weekend. it's usually dead in here |
| 03:28.52 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: idk, i really like wired |
| 03:29.06 | Thunder_Child | i used to have |
| 03:29.08 | Thunder_Child | it |
| 03:29.17 | Thunder_Child | meh |
| 03:29.39 | Thunder_Child | it's like playboy, i only got it for the pictures, not the articles |
| 03:29.48 | Kraps | lol what |
| 03:29.50 | Thunder_Child | and by pictures i mean the gadgets at the front |
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| 03:31.16 | Dagmar | At least he's honest about it |
| 03:35.50 | Kraps | i dont usually read the automotive and diy stuff in pop mech, but pop sci is kind of an unknown to me |
| 03:36.55 | Thunder_Child | pop aci > opo mech for me |
| 03:36.59 | Thunder_Child | pop* |
| 03:37.02 | Thunder_Child | sci* |
| 03:37.09 | Thunder_Child | goes back to fooding |
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| 03:46.19 | airtonix | it's all trash |
| 03:47.08 | Kraps | no |
| 03:47.18 | airtonix | yes my child |
| 03:47.29 | airtonix | denial is the first step to acceptance |
| 03:48.03 | Kraps | hey, i got a gift |
| 03:49.13 | Kraps | why is the importing of videos off a camera going at 30KB/s? |
| 03:50.28 | Kraps | would a low battery affect that? |
| 03:51.29 | Kraps | confirm/deny/pizza |
| 03:53.45 | intangir | how do i get guild info in an addon? |
| 03:53.49 | intangir | like members, officer notes, etc |
| 03:54.04 | intangir | i see theres an event for it.. that says when a function was called.. and a function that sends the event..... |
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| 03:54.19 | intangir | but neither say where the actual guild info is |
| 03:55.34 | Jerub | bwahaha |
| 03:55.34 | Jerub | (01:54:57 PM) Aaron: These quest rewards dont make me feel good :( |
| 03:55.35 | Jerub | (01:55:11 PM) Aaron: I can either have Nubly bracers, Nubish Cloak or Nub's wand |
| 03:55.40 | Jerub | (01:55:21 PM) Aaron: I think the games trying to tell me something |
| 03:55.49 | airtonix | qqmoar |
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| 03:56.05 | Mr_Rabies | i have gotta find out which addon is making me crash on load :/ |
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| 03:57.53 | intangir | found it |
| 03:58.38 | bleeter | Mr_Rabies: it's gotta be one of cog|away's |
| 04:03.37 | Jerub | speaking of qq |
| 04:03.45 | Jerub | imma going to go qq on forums about cooking daily |
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| 04:10.34 | Kraps | http://lifehacker.com/5701469/google-earth-6-adds-3d-trees-and-better-street-view-integration |
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| 04:20.27 | Kraps | http://gizmodo.com/5706055/this-lady-made-a-diy-tsa+like-body-scanner |
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| 04:30.01 | intangir | is there a foreach in lua? so i can iterate every key in a table? |
| 04:31.09 | ScytheBlade1 | for k,v in pairs(t) do print(k..":"..v) end |
| 04:31.11 | ScytheBlade1 | iirc |
| 04:31.13 | ScytheBlade1 | it has been a while |
| 04:31.22 | ScytheBlade1 | but you're looking for the pairs() and ipairs() functions |
| 04:32.04 | ScytheBlade1 | ipairs() only works properly on sequentially numerically indexed tables, while pairs works on all tables without restriction but has no guarantees with respect to order |
| 04:33.34 | intangir | cool |
| 04:33.53 | intangir | thanks |
| 04:35.05 | intangir | in lua, does an empty string count as false in an if? |
| 04:35.15 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 04:37.34 | Mirrormn | any value other than false or nil is treated as true |
| 04:38.02 | intangir | k thanks |
| 04:38.33 | intangir | there any += operator? or ++? |
| 04:38.47 | intangir | sorry im new to lua |
| 04:38.49 | Mirrormn | don't think so |
| 04:38.51 | Sapu | no |
| 04:38.59 | intangir | seems very different.. in every way |
| 04:39.10 | Sapu | it's very simple..no syntax heh |
| 04:39.26 | Sapu | well no ; anyways |
| 04:39.33 | intangir | but you can apparently add them anyway |
| 04:39.41 | intangir | cause ive been doing that so far not realizing they werent needed ;) |
| 04:40.08 | Sapu | yea ; are optional |
| 04:42.01 | Mirrormn | they're not just optional, they're pretty much just ignored |
| 04:43.00 | KarlKFI | wow... Baggins seems to work without any errors... it's still ace2 based... |
| 04:44.17 | KarlKFI | ahh, ok there's an error |
| 04:46.21 | KarlKFI | lots of 'this' |
| 04:48.43 | Atriace | oh YEAH!! |
| 04:48.57 | Atriace | Day's worth of debugging finally paid off. |
| 04:49.01 | nebula169 | there's an ace3 close that works pretty flawlessly |
| 04:49.04 | nebula169 | clone, even |
| 04:49.23 | KarlKFI | clone? |
| 04:49.45 | nebula169 | repo clone on wowace |
| 04:50.10 | KarlKFI | the error i ran into was just baggins using 'this'. i fixed those easily enough. we'll see if i run into anything else |
| 04:50.20 | KarlKFI | ace3 isn't reverse compat with ace2 i assume |
| 04:50.33 | nebula169 | like your settings? it is |
| 04:50.42 | nebula169 | didn't have to redo all my cats and bags and such |
| 04:51.14 | KarlKFI | huh. well it's working fine atm |
| 04:52.10 | nebula169 | yea, i switch just because it was the last ace2 addon i had running :p |
| 04:52.17 | KarlKFI | what was |
| 04:52.20 | nebula169 | baggins |
| 04:52.37 | KarlKFI | is it still maintained somewhere? i've been using it forever |
| 04:53.10 | nebula169 | http://www.wowace.com/addons/baggins/ |
| 04:54.03 | KarlKFI | is there a newer LibPeriodicTable? |
| 04:54.47 | nebula169 | don't believe so, people have added items and such to it over time, but its still the same major version |
| 05:00.07 | nebula169 | so there a new xml feed for realm statuses now? or is it just the html table on the new bnet site? ;[ |
| 05:00.17 | nebula169 | is there* |
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| 05:12.04 | intangir | is there a way to use a string object and call its members.. without saying string.upper for example.. |
| 05:12.10 | intangir | like can i turn this: string.upper(string.sub(officer, 1, 1)) .. string.lower(string.sub(officer, 2)) |
| 05:12.16 | intangir | into: officer.sub(1,1).upper() .. officer.sub(2).lower(); |
| 05:12.36 | intangir | it works like that in python and perl but it doesnt seem to be working this way in lua. am i doing it wrong, is there something similiar or is that just not something you do in lua |
| 05:13.13 | inthedrops | Lua isn't object oriented like that. Short answer is no (take what I say with a huge grain of salt though) |
| 05:13.36 | intangir | is there a simpler way to make a word have Upper first letter and lower the rest? |
| 05:13.41 | intangir | its just plain ugly ;) |
| 05:14.24 | inthedrops | I don't know an answer for that. My Lua experience hasn't had me solve many string issues :) |
| 05:15.25 | Gnarfoz | hrmmm |
| 05:15.55 | Gnarfoz | astrolabe missing data for the new zones would kind of defeat the idea of having tomtom as a quest pointer, wouldn't it? |
| 05:16.03 | nebula169 | its been updated |
| 05:16.12 | nebula169 | from 0.4 to 1.0 |
| 05:16.25 | Gnarfoz | evil jnwhiteh needs to repackage, then! |
| 05:16.26 | Gnarfoz | :O |
| 05:16.37 | nebula169 | i thought he had? i haven't had issues with it |
| 05:16.53 | Atriace | intangir: I'd write a function to search for the first char and string.upper that, iteratively looping through a variable length of arguments. (http://www.lua.org/manual/5.0/manual.html#5.3) |
| 05:17.40 | Gnarfoz | doesn't it upgrade other instances of itself? |
| 05:18.44 | Gnarfoz | tomtomlite doesn't even use astrolabe, heh |
| 05:20.27 | nebula169 | astrolabe is just for distances and such, though, doesn't have zone by zone data |
| 05:20.32 | nebula169 | (afaik) |
| 05:21.15 | Gnarfoz | well, whatever it is for, tomtomtlite uses libmapdata |
| 05:21.25 | Gnarfoz | and HandyNotes embeds old astrolabe |
| 05:21.27 | Gnarfoz | :} |
| 05:25.18 | Gnarfoz | which... makes me wonder why 1.0 doesn't override 0.4 |
| 05:25.34 | Gnarfoz | Xinhuan: poke the packager! |
| 05:25.47 | Xinhuan | author fault |
| 05:25.50 | nebula169 | i think its because its a different major version, gnarfoz |
| 05:26.00 | Gnarfoz | nebula169: oh. haha. |
| 05:26.11 | Gnarfoz | does the api actually differ? |
| 05:26.15 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 05:27.04 | Xinhuan | astrolabe does inclue zone sizes |
| 05:27.09 | Xinhuan | without it, it can't calculate distances |
| 05:27.37 | nebula169 | yea, i was thinking more LibMapData-esque data when i said that |
| 05:28.01 | Xinhuan | astrolabe probably has more data than libmapdata |
| 05:28.22 | Gnarfoz | however, tomtom seems to suck at it - quest objective waypoints point to coordinates in the local zone instead of where the quest actually ends |
| 05:28.29 | Gnarfoz | *where the quest objective actually is |
| 05:28.35 | nebula169 | i checked it quick and it just had worldmap zone sizes, libmapdata does dungeons and such, no? |
| 05:28.37 | Gnarfoz | so tomtomlite must be doing something differently |
| 05:28.41 | Xinhuan | is it on the same continent? |
| 05:28.47 | Gnarfoz | it is |
| 05:28.54 | Xinhuan | libmapdata contains data for every map |
| 05:29.17 | Xinhuan | astrlabe's data is probably just incomplete |
| 05:31.05 | Arrowmaster | intangir, inthedrops: officer:sub(1,1):upper() .. officer:sub(2):lower() |
| 05:31.35 | inthedrops | see, don't listen to me |
| 05:31.49 | Arrowmaster | intangir: but i wouldnt recomend doing it that way since it wont work with utf8 |
| 05:33.38 | Arrowmaster | intangir: ask sylvanaar for the best way to do it |
| 05:37.23 | Gnarfoz | !api enterworld |
| 05:37.23 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'enterworld'. |
| 05:37.30 | Gnarfoz | what does that cvar do? oO |
| 05:38.31 | Gnarfoz | also, how to enable dx11 stuff? run with -d3d11? set that engine cvar to d3d11? |
| 05:38.57 | airtonix | i usually just put a quart of lube on the gpu |
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| 05:54.36 | Adys | nevcairiel: ping |
| 06:01.50 | kd3 | winces at xkcd |
| 06:03.22 | Thunder_Child | kd3: wince really? |
| 06:03.28 | Thunder_Child | i just dont find it funny |
| 06:03.38 | kd3 | which is why I winced. neither did I |
| 06:04.14 | Thunder_Child | thats an odd response to being meh about something |
| 06:04.30 | kd3 | just because I know how badly the forum post for today's comic is going to go |
| 06:04.43 | kd3 | anyway, blah. finals in 10 hours. time for zzz |
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| 06:10.24 | intangir | cool i made an addon to accept votes for guild officers |
| 06:10.31 | intangir | its pretty handy, so far no one got enough votes to win though ;) |
| 06:10.39 | intangir | calling it a night, laters |
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| 06:44.54 | nevcairiel | Adys: pong |
| 06:45.13 | Adys | nevcairiel: with quartz, is there a way to bind the player castbar relative to an edge of the screen? |
| 06:45.21 | Adys | specifically, bottom-center |
| 06:45.33 | Adys | I resize my wow window to maximize it very often and it goes off to the left |
| 06:45.50 | nevcairiel | i dont think so, its still using some old'ish positioing code |
| 06:45.56 | nevcairiel | positioning* |
| 06:48.07 | sylvanaar | intangir: what are you trying to do? |
| 06:49.58 | sylvanaar | oh i see he went to bed - good idea |
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| 07:08.55 | Adys | Epic: Going up against a crushridge premade in a bg. And crushridge goes down. |
| 07:08.58 | Mirrormn | I need a support group for cata release anxiety |
| 07:09.57 | Dagmar | You need the all-natural anti-depressant... |
| 07:10.03 | Dagmar | Tequila! |
| 07:10.25 | Mirrormn | hur |
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| 07:29.32 | mikma | i once believed fisker |
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| 07:32.18 | Fisker | naw man |
| 07:32.28 | mikma | yaw woman |
| 07:33.02 | Fisker | naw man |
| 07:33.41 | mikma | repeating and boring fisker is repeative and boring |
| 07:34.26 | Fisker | then maybe not listening mikma should be listening mikma instead? |
| 07:34.51 | mikma | copycat |
| 07:35.10 | mikma | oh. you once thought you killed a man, but then you woke up |
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| 07:40.52 | mikma | fisker: test + fix my addon |
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| 07:56.00 | Fisker | i got work to do |
| 07:57.22 | mikma | like, killing men? |
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| 08:18.03 | zenzio | "Avoiding DMCA Woes As an Indy Game Developer?"... surely it's "indie" even in singular? |
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| 08:21.48 | Dagmar | You want literacy? |
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| 08:34.18 | mitch0 | fisker: do you play holy with your pala? |
| 08:47.22 | zenzio | http://crazythingsparentssay.failblog.org/2010/12/05/funny-parent-quotes-jennis-crazy-mom-said/ |
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| 08:54.47 | Napoleone | lol |
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| 09:09.11 | jnwhiteh | Ghostcrawler is coming to the London launch event |
| 09:09.18 | jnwhiteh | so clearly, we win on all accounts :P |
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| 09:12.23 | Napoleone | lol |
| 09:12.46 | mitch0 | need a holy pala to test something: I need the output of /dump GetSpellInfo(20473) or /run print(GetSpellInfo(20473)) |
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| 09:19.27 | Napoleone | give me a min and I'll log in |
| 09:20.17 | mitch0 | thanks |
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| 09:23.12 | Napoleone | loggin in now |
| 09:25.31 | Napoleone | lol |
| 09:25.54 | mitch0 | ? |
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| 09:27.35 | Napoleone | mirc froze totally |
| 09:27.43 | Napoleone | something odd is going on with my pc |
| 09:30.12 | Stanzilla | yeah, mirc :P |
| 09:30.23 | Napoleone | hehe |
| 09:30.41 | Napoleone | wanna get everything running linux. but so many windows apps and my windows habits are taking over ;P |
| 09:31.20 | Napoleone | hows wow, mw2, and steam on linux. |
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| 09:44.05 | bleeter | http://vakart.org.uk/download/james_naughtie.mp3 |
| 09:52.50 | Mirrormn | is that something I want to download?> |
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| 10:04.46 | Fisker | help me bluspacecow |
| 10:04.49 | Fisker | hey jnwhiteh |
| 10:04.53 | bluspacecow | why ? |
| 10:04.59 | Fisker | tell him to stop being a retarded mage |
| 10:05.07 | jnwhiteh | hey Fisker |
| 10:05.13 | jnwhiteh | can't do it |
| 10:05.17 | jnwhiteh | my powers are useless on mages |
| 10:05.35 | bluspacecow | what can i help you with ? |
| 10:06.02 | Fisker | call ghostcrawler a retarded mage |
| 10:06.03 | Fisker | ;3 |
| 10:07.12 | bluspacecow | kk |
| 10:07.20 | bluspacecow | i so idid IRL |
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| 10:18.01 | Fisker | i hate the world bluspacecow |
| 10:18.21 | bluspacecow | oh my |
| 10:19.32 | Fisker | don't you? |
| 10:20.37 | bluspacecow | not really |
| 10:24.38 | Fisker | it sucks man |
| 10:24.44 | Fisker | i has lots of work to do |
| 10:25.19 | Fisker | i'm gonna make a wow religion |
| 10:25.27 | Fisker | expansion release dates are sacred |
| 10:25.31 | Napoleone | cata tonight... AWESOME |
| 10:25.37 | sylvanaar_work | <24 hours |
| 10:25.42 | sylvanaar_work | !! |
| 10:25.47 | Napoleone | 12 hours 35 mins |
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| 10:25.57 | sylvanaar_work | huh |
| 10:26.11 | Napoleone | midnight paris time is in 12 hours 34 |
| 10:26.14 | sylvanaar_work | oh |
| 10:26.20 | sylvanaar_work | eu servers come up early? |
| 10:26.29 | Napoleone | they say at midnight |
| 10:26.34 | Napoleone | paris time |
| 10:26.42 | sylvanaar_work | it shoudl be the same as US imo |
| 10:26.50 | Adys | http://www.wowhead.com/item=46955#comments |
| 10:26.51 | sylvanaar_work | otherwise you get world achievements first |
| 10:26.53 | Adys | I never knew about this one |
| 10:27.42 | sylvanaar_work | Krack tooth? |
| 10:27.44 | Napoleone | last sets of dailies |
| 10:27.50 | sylvanaar_work | is that like from meth mouth |
| 10:27.55 | Adys | you get it when you kill a kraken |
| 10:28.08 | Napoleone | from a mounted view as proof of kill ;P |
| 10:28.09 | sylvanaar_work | cool |
| 10:28.26 | Napoleone | ok |
| 10:28.45 | Napoleone | upon the cataclysm with 1 mill players on each server doing one zone.. anything someone might recommend? |
| 10:28.56 | Adys | vashjir |
| 10:29.00 | sylvanaar_work | vash |
| 10:29.04 | Adys | if you're going early |
| 10:29.11 | sylvanaar_work | thats what everyohne from beta is going to be doing |
| 10:29.16 | Adys | vashjir is THE zone you dont wanna do with a million other players |
| 10:29.24 | Napoleone | hmm |
| 10:29.24 | foxlit | "anything someone might recommend?" Take the week off. |
| 10:29.27 | Adys | so either do hyjal first and take a week break |
| 10:29.28 | Napoleone | hehe |
| 10:29.33 | Adys | or do vashjir very early and never go back |
| 10:29.35 | foxlit | Distribution will even out, and things will be comfortable. |
| 10:30.37 | Adys | so foxlit |
| 10:30.42 | Adys | when are you going to play? |
| 10:30.49 | sylvanaar_work | yarly |
| 10:31.13 | foxlit | It probably isn't going to be Tuesday; and I'm not too sure about Wednesday. |
| 10:31.56 | sylvanaar_work | its like not observing ramadan or something |
| 10:32.32 | sylvanaar_work | expac week, one is supposed to limit sleep and consume only stimulant beverages |
| 10:33.08 | foxlit | Screw that, it's exam week. |
| 10:33.18 | jnwhiteh | so I get WoW at midnight.. but I leave for the U.S. on next Tuesday and will be away from game for two weeks. Terrible timing =( |
| 10:33.29 | sylvanaar_work | awfu; |
| 10:33.36 | sylvanaar_work | s/;/l/ |
| 10:38.42 | krka | do outland instead! guaranteed almost empty when cataclysm starts |
| 10:39.56 | jnwhiteh | how are we going to be herded to the new zones? |
| 10:40.08 | jnwhiteh | the new Heroes Board? |
| 10:40.44 | foxlit | It really doesn't matter. There are plenty of breadcrumbs, and you can skip them all. |
| 10:40.52 | krka | i wonder how blizzard will handle all the quests that scale poorly when there are a gazillion players at the same place |
| 10:41.14 | foxlit | krka: set the spawn timer to 0 -- it's worked for like two expansions now? |
| 10:41.26 | krka | i guess |
| 10:41.36 | krka | i've never played directly after launch |
| 10:41.44 | jnwhiteh | they've had adaptive spawn rates for 4 years now :P |
| 10:41.58 | jnwhiteh | the rate adjusts depending on consumption, and works really well, actually |
| 10:42.01 | krka | so has your mom! |
| 10:42.11 | jnwhiteh | you know, I've been told that before :P |
| 10:42.19 | foxlit | Except when it's horrible. Like when you have 4/5 tiger teeth, and there are no more tigers in the zone. |
| 10:42.22 | krka | actually, i wouldn't know anything about how many children she has, and what rate it was |
| 10:43.12 | jnwhiteh | hrm, the new fish feast seems to have good requirements |
| 10:43.18 | jnwhiteh | no more needing 4 kinds of fish :P |
| 10:43.29 | jnwhiteh | the heirlooms are expensive! |
| 10:44.42 | foxlit | gold is cheap, though |
| 10:44.47 | jnwhiteh | yeah I suppose |
| 10:44.49 | jnwhiteh | I never seem to have enough of it |
| 10:44.57 | jnwhiteh | well, I had plenty.. until I accidentally bought Riding Mastery |
| 10:44.59 | foxlit | Especially with the new 1-60. |
| 10:45.02 | jnwhiteh | I hope it still costs 5k |
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| 10:45.15 | jnwhiteh | otherwise I'll be very sad, since I didn't need it yet |
| 10:45.51 | mitch0 | jnwhiteh: it's down to 500 |
| 10:46.04 | mitch0 | ducks |
| 10:46.20 | jnwhiteh | *shrug* nothing that can be done about it even if it is :P |
| 10:46.26 | Xyphoid | is it just me or are old world herb/mine rates through the roof |
| 10:46.28 | jnwhiteh | it was a terrible terrible misclick that Blizzard woudln't let me take back :P |
| 10:46.30 | jnwhiteh | so now I only have 1700 |
| 10:46.33 | jnwhiteh | Xyphoid: yes.. its awesome. |
| 10:46.44 | jnwhiteh | Xyphoid: I leveled to 450 alchemy fairly quickly |
| 10:46.49 | Xyphoid | with flying mounts the prices of this stuff will drop through the floor |
| 10:46.59 | jnwhiteh | although finding the new spawn zones for the herbs DID suck |
| 10:47.00 | Fisker | slaps jnwhiteh around a bit with a large trout |
| 10:47.05 | foxlit | Xyphoid: good :) |
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| 10:47.08 | jnwhiteh | SoS, no longer has Blindweed :P |
| 10:47.17 | foxlit | low-level reagents shouldn't be sold for level 85 prices :) |
| 10:51.48 | mikma | jnwhiteh: O_o |
| 10:52.00 | jnwhiteh | the 'rules' for herbs still apply tho |
| 10:52.09 | jnwhiteh | blindweed can be found near still water |
| 10:52.19 | jnwhiteh | liferoot can be found near running water |
| 10:53.22 | foxlit | I don't quite buy that |
| 10:53.25 | foxlit | Are lakes running water? |
| 10:53.28 | jnwhiteh | yes |
| 10:53.30 | jnwhiteh | in this case :P |
| 10:53.37 | foxlit | I have a swap to sell you. |
| 10:53.38 | jnwhiteh | s/still/stagnant |
| 10:53.44 | jnwhiteh | s/running/live/ |
| 10:53.44 | foxlit | ^m |
| 10:53.44 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 10:54.00 | jnwhiteh | but only in the right level range |
| 10:54.13 | foxlit | Just circularly definite them as "blindweed grows near water where blindweed grows" :) |
| 10:54.21 | jnwhiteh | sucked cause I was farming all my herbs right after shattering |
| 10:54.30 | jnwhiteh | and no one knew where they were, not armoury, not wowhead, not wowpedia |
| 10:54.35 | jnwhiteh | but I made a few edits, so I felt better :P |
| 10:54.44 | foxlit | chillwind was what I found for blindweed. |
| 10:54.55 | foxlit | Liferoot is everywhere, really. |
| 10:55.21 | jnwhiteh | yeah, obnoxiously |
| 11:03.51 | Xyphoid | oh man the day deathwing came |
| 11:04.02 | Xyphoid | i thought i was going to pee myself laughing |
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| 11:07.43 | jnwhiteh | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/0ca3577d3695826de734f2008f7bcf0a.png |
| 11:07.55 | mikma | kill it with a fire! |
| 11:08.11 | jnwhiteh | funny you say that |
| 11:08.14 | mikma | jnwhiteh: what's this? |
| 11:08.16 | jnwhiteh | look at the bottom part of the map |
| 11:08.21 | mikma | yeah, it's on fire :D |
| 11:08.21 | jnwhiteh | its our minecraft server :P |
| 11:08.33 | mikma | how did you manage to burn down the place anyway |
| 11:08.41 | jnwhiteh | umm we didn't. |
| 11:08.46 | jnwhiteh | there was a lava spill when the world rendered |
| 11:08.49 | jnwhiteh | and legorol found it |
| 11:09.37 | jnwhiteh | four of us playing right now, I think |
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| 11:12.17 | mikma | jnwhiteh: what are the yellow and red spots |
| 11:12.40 | Fisker | i hate the wow forums |
| 11:12.51 | mitch0 | fisker: don't visit them then |
| 11:13.54 | jnwhiteh | Mirrormn: flowers, actually |
| 11:14.05 | mikma | hi |
| 11:14.12 | jnwhiteh | feel free to hop on the server |
| 11:14.13 | Mirrormn | wat? |
| 11:14.37 | jnwhiteh | erro |
| 11:14.39 | jnwhiteh | err |
| 11:14.42 | jnwhiteh | mikma: flowers, actually |
| 11:14.54 | Fisker | no mitch0 |
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| 11:16.44 | mikma | jnwhiteh: so, how? |
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| 11:53.23 | Fisker | REMOTE DESKTOOOOOOOOOOOP |
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| 12:01.11 | sylvanaar_work | i wish you could play wow over rdp |
| 12:03.36 | sylvanaar_work | i hope i like this razer naga i just ordered |
| 12:06.23 | jnwhiteh | sylvanaar_work: I really like my Steelseries MMO mouse |
| 12:06.31 | jnwhiteh | didn't like the naga when I played with it =/ |
| 12:07.02 | A-KO | the naga takes some getting used to |
| 12:07.07 | A-KO | but so far I'm adapting well to it |
| 12:07.16 | A-KO | retraining muscle memory from about 8 years of Logitech use |
| 12:07.18 | A-KO | so :P |
| 12:07.24 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 12:07.33 | jnwhiteh | I only three extra buttons on my mouse |
| 12:08.07 | jnwhiteh | I use left, right, button5 (for lifebloom), the button that's behind the mousewheel for swiftbloom, and a weirdly placed (can't accidentally hit) button for Ns/HT :P |
| 12:10.01 | sylvanaar_work | ill have to try that one if this doesnt work out |
| 12:10.18 | jnwhiteh | I'm sure you'll be fine with it :P |
| 12:10.32 | sylvanaar_work | im fussy about mice and keyboards |
| 12:10.53 | jnwhiteh | as well you should be! |
| 12:11.35 | nevcairiel | i really like my old logitech g5, but its starting to have some issues, and the replacement model looks kinda not the same |
| 12:11.44 | nevcairiel | still debating what to get |
| 12:11.47 | sylvanaar_work | i have a g5 |
| 12:11.58 | sylvanaar_work | or whatever 5 |
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| 12:12.37 | sylvanaar_work | yeah g5 the blue one |
| 12:13.22 | A-KO | I had the g5, replaced it with the naga |
| 12:14.35 | sylvanaar_work | does the naga have weights? for balancing |
| 12:14.47 | sylvanaar_work | i liked that about the g5 |
| 12:15.57 | sylvanaar_work | doesnt sound like |
| 12:16.14 | A-KO | No, it doesn't. The naga's claim to fame is the 12 button side thing |
| 12:16.17 | A-KO | which works reasonably well |
| 12:17.00 | sylvanaar_work | i gues we'll see if i actually use those buttons |
| 12:18.07 | sylvanaar_work | jnwhiteh: how to you pronounce clique? click or kleek |
| 12:18.14 | jnwhiteh | 'click' |
| 12:18.15 | jnwhiteh | always =) |
| 12:18.21 | jnwhiteh | if you say it the european way the joke gets lost :p |
| 12:18.58 | zenzio | and here I always thought the name implied that the users of the addon were a special clique |
| 12:19.03 | Adys | Shirik |
| 12:19.07 | Adys | http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/OpensocialApiBlog/~3/iJk5Cyb_ds0/calling-net-developers.html |
| 12:19.47 | Adys | "Calling .NET developers!" "Myspace [...] OpenSocial [...] .NET implementation [...] Java and PHP [...]" |
| 12:19.55 | Adys | am i the only one seeing a pattern here? |
| 12:20.10 | sylvanaar_work | like what |
| 12:20.18 | sylvanaar_work | .NET Java and PHP? |
| 12:20.51 | sylvanaar_work | man this tea i made is good... |
| 12:21.00 | Kalroth | Adys: That they only hire people that know real languages?! |
| 12:21.08 | sylvanaar_work | lol |
| 12:21.14 | Adys | oh my yes. |
| 12:21.28 | nevcairiel | .net is not a language |
| 12:21.38 | Adys | it's a mistake |
| 12:22.02 | sylvanaar_work | when people say .NET they mean C# almost always |
| 12:22.11 | Kalroth | nevcairiel: I wasnt talking about .NET |
| 12:22.13 | zenzio | then they should say C# |
| 12:22.17 | Kalroth | I meant Java and PHP! |
| 12:22.33 | Tuller | sometimes they do actually mean vb |
| 12:22.39 | Adys | or worse |
| 12:22.41 | Kalroth | opposed to lesser languages like Lua and Python and Perl |
| 12:22.50 | sylvanaar_work | thats why i said almost :) |
| 12:22.59 | zenzio | MASM.NET |
| 12:23.03 | Adys | Hey, Tuller |
| 12:23.15 | nevcairiel | MASM is no lesser language, its just not for lesser developers |
| 12:23.21 | Kalroth | MASM is great! |
| 12:23.36 | Adys | Tuller: is it normal that when you buy a bank bag, it doesnt update on banknon automatically? |
| 12:23.38 | Adys | stays red |
| 12:23.48 | Tuller | weird |
| 12:24.07 | Adys | have to reopen it |
| 12:25.46 | sylvanaar_work | skydrive is offering 25GB storage. thats not bad for free |
| 12:26.12 | cbreak_work | there's a catch. |
| 12:27.22 | Adys | Kalroth! |
| 12:27.29 | Kalroth | nuh uh! |
| 12:27.31 | Adys | I'm undecided, should I try racing for first 85 |
| 12:27.31 | sylvanaar_work | is there? |
| 12:27.56 | Kalroth | Adys: is there a feat for mining + smithing? |
| 12:28.03 | Adys | yea |
| 12:28.06 | Kalroth | ooo |
| 12:28.27 | Adys | feat for all professions, all classes, and first 85 |
| 12:29.39 | Mirrormn | Adys, do you have any idea how long it will take tok level from 80-85? |
| 12:29.46 | Mirrormn | *to |
| 12:30.35 | Adys | No |
| 12:30.39 | Mirrormn | Cause I've been reading anything from 6 hours to 30 hours |
| 12:30.50 | Adys | on one side i'm hearing "up to 3 days" and on the other I'm hearing "Maximum 15 hours" |
| 12:31.00 | nevcairiel | saying maximum is stupid |
| 12:31.01 | Adys | 6 hours certainly not |
| 12:31.04 | nevcairiel | i can easily prove him wrong |
| 12:31.12 | nevcairiel | and need 20 hours |
| 12:31.14 | nevcairiel | its not hard! |
| 12:31.23 | Adys | nevcairiel: show me your penis |
| 12:31.37 | Mirrormn | there's a thread on arenajunkies where most of the people agree on 9-10 hours |
| 12:31.45 | Mirrormn | but that makes no sense to me |
| 12:32.14 | Mirrormn | you'd have to do each level in ~2 hours |
| 12:32.30 | sylvanaar_work | thats what i hear also |
| 12:32.47 | nevcairiel | you can do 81 and 82 in maybe that time, afterwards it slows down |
| 12:32.59 | nevcairiel | 81 is really fast |
| 12:33.19 | Mirrormn | anyone know how much xp per level? |
| 12:34.09 | jnwhiteh | 10 hours, 25 minutes, 51 seconds! |
| 12:34.14 | sylvanaar_work | lol |
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| 12:34.32 | Mirrormn | 80-81 1,686,300 |
| 12:34.32 | Mirrormn | 81-82 2,121,500 |
| 12:34.32 | Mirrormn | 82-83 4,004,000 |
| 12:34.32 | Mirrormn | 83-84 5,203,400 |
| 12:34.32 | Mirrormn | 84-85 6,546,500 |
| 12:35.37 | Mirrormn | even if you were able to do 1million xp/hour, that would be ~20 hours |
| 12:36.09 | jnwhiteh | oh wow |
| 12:36.15 | jnwhiteh | yeah, that's gonna take some time. |
| 12:36.44 | Adys | its supposed to take the same amount of time as 70-80 |
| 12:36.47 | Adys | SUPPOSED to |
| 12:36.53 | Mirrormn | 70-80 was closer to 40 hours |
| 12:37.10 | Adys | i took 59 hours taking my time, but still hitting serverfirst |
| 12:37.11 | jnwhiteh | Adys: are you trying to push it non-stop? |
| 12:37.12 | jnwhiteh | have help? |
| 12:37.16 | Adys | solo |
| 12:37.29 | Adys | im thinking of doing a non-stop session |
| 12:37.30 | jnwhiteh | you should tweetcast it :P |
| 12:37.33 | jnwhiteh | or at least update us here :P |
| 12:37.39 | msoul | Adys: May the Force be with you |
| 12:37.44 | Mirrormn | I'm planning to stay up for about 36 hours regardless of how long it takes to level to 85 |
| 12:38.08 | Adys | i'm planning to go out and buy premade food for the next two days in an hour or so. |
| 12:38.12 | Mirrormn | there are actually a fair number of people in my guild who have said they will be doing the same, though |
| 12:38.21 | Adys | Well |
| 12:38.26 | Mirrormn | Adys, I was just about to go and pre-make meals for the first 24 hours ^_^ |
| 12:38.30 | Adys | many people try it because of the "hey its only 5 levels right" |
| 12:38.40 | msoul | Adys: does it really matter if you were first one or after few hours/day? |
| 12:38.53 | Adys | what do you mean msoul? |
| 12:39.10 | Mirrormn | it's about the journey, not the reward |
| 12:39.28 | msoul | Adys: do you get any special reward or it's just a presonal satisfaction of hitting the first 85 on realm |
| 12:39.39 | Adys | personal satisfaction, and huge adrenaline rush |
| 12:39.40 | msoul | Mirrormn: I don't see your logic |
| 12:39.42 | Mirrormn | you don't get any reward besides the feat of strength |
| 12:39.44 | nevcairiel | you get a feat of strength |
| 12:39.57 | msoul | journey whether you hit 85 within a day or within 4 days it's still the same |
| 12:40.01 | msoul | nevcairiel: And? |
| 12:40.08 | jnwhiteh | that matters to some people |
| 12:40.10 | jnwhiteh | clearly/ |
| 12:40.11 | Adys | also the satisfaction of being able to shut up any achievement spammer in guild chat :P |
| 12:40.46 | nevcairiel | if a feat of strength does just cause you to say "And?", what kind of reward wouldnt? :P |
| 12:40.50 | Mirrormn | I guess my main reward would be the respect of my guild leadership |
| 12:40.58 | Mirrormn | since two of the officers are going to be competing with me |
| 12:41.03 | Mirrormn | for realm first |
| 12:41.24 | msoul | nevcairiel: personally I don't care if I hit 85 the first one or within a day after still the same.. not worth the trouble/not sleep etc etc |
| 12:41.36 | Mirrormn | well |
| 12:41.40 | msoul | that ofc means nothing now but ppl will get that few years later or when they quit |
| 12:41.42 | Mirrormn | it's not troubling for some people |
| 12:41.43 | Adys | msoul: thats the whole fun of it :p |
| 12:41.51 | msoul | Adys: hehe |
| 12:42.05 | msoul | Adys: to bew honest I am hesitatew which char I should lvl up |
| 12:42.17 | msoul | thought of my lock as it has enchanting and 310% speed |
| 12:42.24 | nevcairiel | i dont plan to stay up for multiple days, but i do plan to play through this night, and then sleep when the horde of kiddies bring the server to its knees |
| 12:42.45 | Adys | there is one thing |
| 12:42.46 | msoul | heh |
| 12:42.53 | Adys | if you get to 81 fast enough, out of the starter zone |
| 12:42.56 | Adys | you're alone, period |
| 12:43.09 | msoul | Adys: I have 32 quests so far |
| 12:43.13 | msoul | dailies and WG quests |
| 12:43.22 | Mirrormn | 32? how does that work? |
| 12:43.23 | msoul | and 3 waterlogged "didn't buy them!" |
| 12:43.25 | nevcairiel | isnt the questlog limited to 25 |
| 12:43.26 | msoul | 23 |
| 12:43.29 | xqo | hey when is the release in europe? 00:01 GMT+1, or is it the same as in america? |
| 12:43.30 | Mirrormn | mm |
| 12:43.34 | msoul | Mirrormn: don't be a jackass now ;-) |
| 12:43.37 | Adys | GMT+1 xqo |
| 12:43.42 | xqo | awesome |
| 12:43.44 | Mirrormn | it was a legitimate question |
| 12:43.45 | Adys | we get it before USians |
| 12:43.46 | Adys | nanana. |
| 12:43.54 | msoul | Adys: on what realm do you play |
| 12:43.58 | Adys | bloodhoof |
| 12:43.59 | Mirrormn | you could have had some like items in your bags that start quests or something |
| 12:44.00 | jnwhiteh | I'm on Emerald Dream |
| 12:44.09 | jnwhiteh | and there' so many alliance-tards there that some idiot will push for server first |
| 12:44.11 | Mirrormn | I have 25 quests in Icecrown that I've optimized for turnin time / XP |
| 12:44.14 | jnwhiteh | and I don't have the time to, so I'm not even bothering :P |
| 12:44.19 | Mirrormn | 17 of them are turned in on the boat :) |
| 12:44.21 | nevcairiel | Adys: its great, isnt it. They get all the patches early, but we get the expansions earlier, and they are all crying =P |
| 12:44.27 | Adys | nevcairiel: hahah |
| 12:44.31 | Adys | I love being EU |
| 12:44.39 | Mirrormn | 10 of them are turned in to koltira deathweaver alone |
| 12:44.41 | msoul | LOL |
| 12:44.42 | Adys | we get pre-fixed major patches |
| 12:44.44 | msoul | nevcairiel: well put |
| 12:44.52 | sylvanaar_work | dont make me hate you |
| 12:45.03 | sylvanaar_work | =P |
| 12:45.06 | Adys | hey sylvanaar |
| 12:45.08 | msoul | Adys: I haven'y bought the game digitally yet :( |
| 12:45.19 | msoul | I thought of going to the store early morning tomorrow |
| 12:45.25 | Adys | does it annoy you that i'll be 82 before you can even see hyjal?! |
| 12:45.25 | nevcairiel | i have like 21 quests in icecrown tournmane and ship, 2 in dalaran, and 2 in stormwind |
| 12:45.26 | msoul | it's a national day today here |
| 12:45.35 | sylvanaar_work | Adys: no, i'll be sleeping |
| 12:45.39 | Adys | fine |
| 12:45.42 | Adys | kill the buzz :( |
| 12:45.44 | sylvanaar_work | lol |
| 12:45.54 | msoul | Adys: isn't it over 5gb the expansion? |
| 12:45.57 | jnwhiteh | I have TomTomLite, no one else does |
| 12:46.03 | jnwhiteh | that difference that makes it ridiculous actually :P |
| 12:46.09 | sylvanaar_work | really |
| 12:46.25 | Adys | I used questhelper for 70-80 |
| 12:46.28 | msoul | Adys: are you able to download the file now? |
| 12:46.29 | jnwhiteh | *nod* |
| 12:46.30 | Adys | which helped me a lot up until... 73 |
| 12:46.34 | Adys | msoul: yes. i digitally upgraded |
| 12:46.35 | nevcairiel | didnt you share tomtomlite with someone last week |
| 12:46.39 | msoul | :o |
| 12:46.41 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: its posted on both sites |
| 12:46.43 | jnwhiteh | but no one is using it |
| 12:46.44 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 12:46.45 | mikma | jnwhiteh: i has it also |
| 12:46.46 | Mirrormn | when I digitally upgraded it only downloaded like 750mb |
| 12:46.46 | msoul | Adys: how big the file is |
| 12:46.47 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 12:46.48 | mikma | jnwhiteh: nooooooob. |
| 12:46.53 | msoul | Mirrormn: oh |
| 12:47.07 | sylvanaar_work | jnwhiteh: so i should use TT light vs plain TT |
| 12:47.08 | jnwhiteh | but people on my server won't be using it |
| 12:47.11 | mikma | i installed a fresh copy |
| 12:47.14 | mikma | ~8gb |
| 12:47.16 | msoul | Mirrormn: so you're able to d/l it already but won't jump to the new zones until 12 |
| 12:47.19 | jnwhiteh | sylvanaar_work: absolutely, if you want a quest poi crazy arrow |
| 12:47.20 | Adys | msoul: 30.8 GiB |
| 12:47.24 | sylvanaar_work | i do |
| 12:47.27 | msoul | Adys: ouch |
| 12:47.28 | sylvanaar_work | ill d/l today |
| 12:47.30 | nevcairiel | If i understood the blue post correctly, you still have to "install" even when digitally upgraded once its unlocked |
| 12:47.31 | mikma | jnwhiteh: you have a builtin block for emerald dream? |
| 12:47.33 | Mirrormn | I'm not exactly sure what will happen at 12 |
| 12:47.36 | jnwhiteh | mikma: ? |
| 12:47.39 | jnwhiteh | haha |
| 12:47.40 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 12:47.43 | jnwhiteh | that would be funny tho |
| 12:47.44 | nevcairiel | They said something about not having a big time advantage even when using digital |
| 12:47.45 | jnwhiteh | but i'm not racing |
| 12:47.46 | msoul | Adys: no point in d/l it now I suppose I will tomorroe morning |
| 12:48.07 | Adys | how about "having a good connection" |
| 12:48.10 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: I didn't see that post but that wasn't my understanding |
| 12:48.17 | msoul | nevcairiel: I've had this thought a while ago to go early morning and get back/install and play |
| 12:48.18 | Adys | also, fyi |
| 12:48.23 | msoul | Adys: I do have a good one |
| 12:48.25 | jnwhiteh | we should be fully patched and ready to go at midnigiht.. shouldn't need to do anything else |
| 12:48.32 | Adys | when i digitally upgraded (which is like 2 hours ago), I had to download around 1.5gb of data |
| 12:48.33 | jnwhiteh | the client is the same |
| 12:48.47 | Mirrormn | nevcairiel: what about people who in the eastern time zone? |
| 12:48.49 | msoul | Adys: and the rest while playing eweh? |
| 12:48.55 | nevcairiel | Adys: how big is your expansion3.mpq? |
| 12:49.07 | Mirrormn | I feel pretty confident I will be able to purchase a physical copy 3 hours before the actual unlock time |
| 12:49.10 | Adys | 633mb nevcairiel |
| 12:49.18 | Adys | nevcairiel: you're missing fog data for lost isles, fyi |
| 12:49.23 | jnwhiteh | 663026233 |
| 12:49.36 | nevcairiel | Adys: i know, the damn boat from kezan to there was bugged for so long |
| 12:49.42 | nevcairiel | and then the beta shut down unexpectedly |
| 12:49.46 | Adys | fail |
| 12:49.58 | nevcairiel | i dont mine shit from wdb files, i explore ingame :P |
| 12:50.06 | Adys | its not in the wdbs! |
| 12:50.08 | Adys | its in the dbcs! |
| 12:50.12 | nevcairiel | whatever! |
| 12:50.14 | Adys | and i can generate shit for you if you want. |
| 12:50.31 | Adys | does it piss anyone else off that we'll be unable to explore lost isles / kezan :/ |
| 12:50.39 | nevcairiel | yeah it sucks |
| 12:50.45 | Adys | its fucking sitting right here on my map |
| 12:50.46 | Adys | empty |
| 12:51.40 | Fisker | slaps Adys around a bit with a large trout |
| 12:51.51 | Adys | shut up baby i know it |
| 12:52.03 | sylvanaar | ok so i RDPed in and installed TTlite, so now i should be set right jnwhiteh? |
| 12:52.11 | sylvanaar | :) |
| 12:52.35 | sylvanaar_work | and uninstalled TT |
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| 12:53.00 | Adys | also jnwhiteh |
| 12:53.10 | sylvanaar_work | can't wait |
| 12:53.12 | Adys | i wont be tweeting anything but if i do have a lead ill keep you upto date here :p |
| 12:53.17 | Fisker | what the fuck |
| 12:53.30 | Fisker | http://www.3news.co.nz/Seals-clubbed-to-death-in-Kaikoura-/tabid/1160/articleID/189518/Default.aspx |
| 12:53.34 | Fisker | seal cub clubbing club |
| 12:53.42 | Mirrormn | \I think I will probably be turning off IRC so as to not be distracted |
| 12:53.49 | Adys | Fisker: Tuskarrmageddon! |
| 12:53.52 | Adys | (I'm going to hell) |
| 12:54.20 | nevcairiel | the original tuskarrmageddon was great |
| 12:54.24 | Adys | yeah |
| 12:54.41 | msoul | Adys: all I hope is you don't miss quests like the one with the warchief in undercity "can't remember the questname" |
| 12:55.00 | Adys | msoul: i did most of them in beta |
| 12:55.02 | Adys | but im alliance |
| 12:55.03 | msoul | one of my fav quests in wotlk |
| 12:55.08 | msoul | ah I see |
| 12:55.15 | Adys | oh you mean Battle for the Undercity? |
| 12:55.22 | msoul | yeah |
| 12:55.28 | Adys | i did that one too in beta :p but did it on live because it was so much xp |
| 12:55.41 | msoul | I did it only on 1 char |
| 12:55.53 | Kalroth | Adys: where are good spots to mine?! |
| 12:55.59 | msoul | and the other quests in icc I think you see lk |
| 12:56.02 | Kalroth | i havent played beta at all |
| 12:56.03 | msoul | if you don't do battle you don't |
| 12:56.06 | msoul | see him |
| 12:56.19 | Adys | Kalroth: um, anything not vashjir i guess, but |
| 12:56.23 | Kalroth | in wotlk i went to sholazar at level 71 and mined there |
| 12:56.28 | msoul | my biggest concern now is |
| 12:56.31 | Adys | Kalroth: i think you're going to HAVE to level up to get mining 525 |
| 12:56.37 | msoul | as I haven't read anything about it |
| 12:56.40 | Adys | Kalroth: because if im correct, you'll have to go through deepholm |
| 12:56.41 | Kalroth | Adys: fffffffff |
| 12:56.44 | msoul | will you be able to max profession if you're at 80 |
| 12:56.44 | Adys | and that requires lvl 82 |
| 12:56.51 | msoul | i.e. mining/herbing and the like |
| 12:56.52 | Adys | Kalroth: check wowhead i'd say |
| 12:56.53 | Kalroth | so 82 at least |
| 12:57.31 | msoul | :/ |
| 12:57.33 | Adys | Kalroth: i dont know how mineful vashjir is, but if you want to mine there, you'll need to do the first handful of quests too |
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| 12:57.55 | msoul | man maxing professions would be the pain for me then |
| 12:57.56 | angayelle | hai peoplez |
| 12:57.58 | Adys | Kalroth: if you're going for first miner, I'd say do that first while theres nobody around, then get to work. |
| 12:58.04 | msoul | if I need to get to 82 for every char |
| 12:58.08 | Kalroth | Yup, thats what I did last |
| 12:58.22 | Mirrormn | oh Adys |
| 12:58.26 | Adys | im gonna try pushing for realmfirst 525 cook |
| 12:58.27 | Mirrormn | which zone are you doing first? |
| 12:58.34 | Adys | Mirrormn: vashjir |
| 12:58.35 | mikma | all of them |
| 12:58.38 | mikma | at the same time |
| 12:58.45 | Mirrormn | I was gonna do vashjir too |
| 12:58.51 | Adys | the thing is |
| 12:58.54 | Baps | adys: one of our guildmates is expecting realm first 525 cook in the first 2 minutes |
| 12:59.03 | Adys | sanity would dictate "Go to hyjal" |
| 12:59.03 | Mirrormn | but I can't figure out any reason to justify it other than I think there will be less people cause it's the wrong choice |
| 12:59.07 | Baps | he's got the meats and such from the crates already |
| 12:59.16 | Baps | recipies bought and learnt |
| 12:59.21 | Baps | chef's hat on.. |
| 12:59.49 | Adys | but vashjir is one of the zones you really don't want to do when theres people around |
| 12:59.50 | angayelle | which crates ? from fishing ? |
| 12:59.54 | Adys | angayelle: daily |
| 13:00.01 | Baps | Crates of meat from the cooking daily awards |
| 13:00.09 | angayelle | ah k |
| 13:00.18 | Baps | whole guild has sent him crates.. so he's gotten something like 250 crates |
| 13:00.23 | Baps | over the last week |
| 13:00.40 | Maldivia | ahh, because the crates are ouly like 3-5 meat or so per crate |
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| 13:01.51 | angayelle | i heard they'll put a cooldown on cooking, like 10 cooking/day |
| 13:01.59 | angayelle | ehe |
| 13:02.07 | Adys | 10 rewards max |
| 13:02.17 | Adys | but you only need 2 recipes to get to 450 |
| 13:02.19 | angayelle | that was a joke actually |
| 13:02.23 | Adys | thanks to blood shrimps |
| 13:02.40 | msoul | Adys: I did max cookiong on 3 chars on the last event :P |
| 13:02.42 | msoul | feels so good |
| 13:02.47 | msoul | from 0 almost |
| 13:02.50 | msoul | "alts" |
| 13:02.55 | msoul | all 80 though |
| 13:03.10 | Baps | I've only maxed cooking on two, but every alt 'cept the level 1 bank alt has 320 from the turkey recipies |
| 13:03.16 | msoul | one of them was mage so I was glad! |
| 13:03.38 | Maldivia | msoul: well, during turkey days it's so cheap and easy to level cooking from 0-350 :) |
| 13:03.42 | angayelle | too bad there is no real incentive to have max cooking on alts |
| 13:03.49 | Adys | Maldivia: damn, yeah |
| 13:04.01 | msoul | Maldivia: oh I had to play like a JEW so didn't spent 1 penny on AH for cooking |
| 13:04.04 | angayelle | some cooldown stuff would be nice |
| 13:04.06 | Baps | the incentive was just to not have that painful period from 260-ish to 300 |
| 13:04.07 | msoul | I have only 10k now |
| 13:04.19 | Baps | which the new cooking daily makes better |
| 13:04.19 | msoul | bought 280 flying speed on all alts and 1 has 310% |
| 13:04.26 | msoul | I do both :/ |
| 13:04.34 | Maldivia | msoul: how many alts? |
| 13:04.36 | msoul | missing like 5 cooking awards to buy the hat in dala |
| 13:04.46 | msoul | Maldivia: cooking? 3-4 iirc |
| 13:04.52 | Adys | my lvl 5 is up to 1350 achievement points now :3 thanks to pilgrims |
| 13:04.53 | msoul | I have 6 total |
| 13:04.55 | Maldivia | msoul: well, total with 280 flight :) |
| 13:05.00 | msoul | aah all of them |
| 13:05.06 | msoul | only 1 with 310% |
| 13:05.13 | Maldivia | so 6 with 280 :) |
| 13:05.22 | msoul | y |
| 13:05.34 | msoul | the speed is 5k "was" now 4k |
| 13:05.40 | Adys | its still 5k |
| 13:05.42 | msoul | so I spent all my gold on those not to mention professions |
| 13:05.44 | Adys | but you get exalted discount |
| 13:05.59 | Maldivia | if you buy it the from the right trainers, yeah .) |
| 13:06.00 | msoul | Adys: y is what I meant to say :-) |
| 13:06.17 | angayelle | i have barely enough time to code, so alts are no no for me |
| 13:06.26 | msoul | only shaman paid 4k iirc |
| 13:06.40 | msoul | angayelle: well I played a dk and war |
| 13:06.41 | Maldivia | all my 70+ chars have 280 flight :) |
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| 13:06.55 | msoul | with guild(s) disbands due to drama/whiners/loot maniacs etc |
| 13:07.09 | msoul | and when I apply to guilds that I know of "good/decent" |
| 13:07.16 | msoul | they say we're full of wars/dks |
| 13:07.21 | msoul | so decided to get alts |
| 13:07.25 | angayelle | i thought about dk too but can't stand playing melee char |
| 13:07.31 | msoul | so I can play whenever I want/needed |
| 13:08.00 | msoul | angayelle: feel the same, though I must confess I liked playing as a war |
| 13:08.00 | angayelle | healers are almost always wanted |
| 13:08.08 | msoul | have 2 chars than can heal |
| 13:08.10 | msoul | pala/shaman |
| 13:08.20 | Maldivia | that's why I have a druid, priest, shaman and paladin, all with healing as main :P |
| 13:08.43 | msoul | paladin is a lol class to me :P |
| 13:08.50 | angayelle | i want healing spec on my mage ! |
| 13:08.50 | Maldivia | (and a mage, DK, warlock and warrior as well) |
| 13:08.53 | msoul | I don't have druid and mostly rogue! |
| 13:09.01 | Maldivia | I don't do rogues... |
| 13:09.10 | msoul | angayelle: I hope they fix the oom with fire spec |
| 13:09.21 | Maldivia | msoul: all specs are OOM spec for mages at the moment :) |
| 13:09.26 | Adys | wat no |
| 13:09.30 | msoul | no not really |
| 13:09.32 | msoul | fire |
| 13:09.38 | Maldivia | well, at 85 |
| 13:09.38 | Adys | with frost i cant run out of mana |
| 13:09.39 | msoul | if you want to spam arcane blast then yes |
| 13:09.39 | angayelle | i started getting used to weaving scorch before any pyro theses last week |
| 13:09.41 | msoul | oom with secs |
| 13:09.42 | Adys | ah at 85 |
| 13:09.56 | msoul | just fire that ppl are complaining with oom |
| 13:10.13 | msoul | ppl who plays in top-notch guilds "no disrespect to any" |
| 13:10.28 | Maldivia | arcane blast is 11k mana I think with a 4 stack... so mana runs out really quick in burn phases :) |
| 13:10.42 | msoul | if you want to faceroll ppl then yes |
| 13:10.54 | msoul | if you play it right then NO you don't go oom that easily as arcane nor frost |
| 13:11.15 | msoul | even on ej I read last about the specs |
| 13:11.20 | Maldivia | well, at 80, you can run around and do nothing but AB and evocate |
| 13:11.33 | msoul | spec that prfer mage armor and spec were you need to add scorch in your prio system |
| 13:11.52 | angayelle | i'll go for the latter |
| 13:11.57 | xqo | anyone know a nice addon that anchors tooltips to your mouse? |
| 13:12.08 | msoul | tiptac |
| 13:12.48 | msoul | angayelle: my mage will play frost "wont happen anytime soon anyway" |
| 13:12.52 | msoul | but if I get to it frost |
| 13:12.54 | xqo | cool thanks |
| 13:12.57 | msoul | np |
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| 13:14.46 | angayelle | was frost a tbc start, then they added deep freeze, brain freeze and stuff and couldn't get it to work well |
| 13:15.16 | Maldivia | frost is really nice fór levelling |
| 13:15.21 | msoul | it's sweet for pvp :/ depe freeze lancce lance .. win |
| 13:15.48 | Lopeppeppy | a good pvp build is a thing of joy to behold, for those who pvp. |
| 13:15.49 | Maldivia | msoul: at 85 with 100k health pools, two lances doesn't really cut it :) |
| 13:15.56 | msoul | hehe |
| 13:16.07 | msoul | still talking about wotlk "pvp" specifically |
| 13:16.22 | msoul | won't talk about something I haven't touched/played :-) |
| 13:16.27 | Maldivia | well, since wotlk is dead in less than 24 hours... why ?:) |
| 13:16.34 | msoul | still not |
| 13:17.02 | Maldivia | I've been talking cata since... well, since I was allowed to talk about it |
| 13:17.09 | msoul | .... |
| 13:17.22 | Lopeppeppy | Mmmm. Delicious Cataclysm. |
| 13:17.50 | Maldivia | it's positively cataclysmic... |
| 13:18.11 | angayelle | i'm always a bit frightened at expansion starts, the feeling of all that i'll have to do kinda freaks me out |
| 13:18.37 | msoul | angayelle: just don't get annoyed by the opposite faction while question |
| 13:18.43 | msoul | hate that when it happens |
| 13:18.49 | msoul | iv you're on pvp realm that is |
| 13:18.50 | angayelle | all quests, prof, dungeons, hc dungeons, raid, pets, mounts... |
| 13:19.04 | msoul | hehe |
| 13:19.06 | angayelle | i was on pvp, i'm not anymore |
| 13:19.15 | msoul | 1 mount is more than enough |
| 13:19.17 | Lopeppeppy | I just explore. All of this "speed level" crap is not for me. |
| 13:19.20 | msoul | as it gets me from a to b |
| 13:19.25 | msoul | unless you want to brag about it! |
| 13:19.40 | msoul | Lopeppeppy: well put |
| 13:19.48 | msoul | the first one that says that today "so far" |
| 13:19.55 | Lopeppeppy | *grin* |
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| 13:20.08 | angayelle | i wanna brag ! got http://www.wowhead.com/item=50818 ! |
| 13:20.24 | msoul | angayelle: I have the turbo engi one and for ground the lock mount |
| 13:20.26 | msoul | :( |
| 13:20.36 | msoul | only mounts I care about are lord raven from anzu |
| 13:20.39 | msoul | and alar |
| 13:20.48 | Maldivia | angayelle: pssh... I got http://www.wowhead.com/item=12303 !! |
| 13:21.05 | angayelle | alar will be top #1 mount forever |
| 13:21.11 | msoul | angayelle: naiz |
| 13:21.14 | nevcairiel | that thing is so ugly |
| 13:21.25 | Maldivia | yep |
| 13:21.26 | msoul | angayelle: indeed |
| 13:21.29 | angayelle | nice one maldivia |
| 13:21.38 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 13:21.39 | msoul | angayelle: the icc mount is nice to have but not mandatory like alar! :P |
| 13:21.43 | jnwhiteh | i should go queue up some quests |
| 13:21.55 | nevcairiel | my questlog is 25/25 now, all completed |
| 13:22.06 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 13:22.11 | Maldivia | angayelle: I usually use my stormsaber though :) |
| 13:22.14 | jnwhiteh | I've done no questing in ICC other than the tourney |
| 13:22.17 | jnwhiteh | so I suspect that's a good place to go |
| 13:22.21 | jnwhiteh | on the boat, as msoul suggested |
| 13:22.22 | msoul | nevcairiel: I was so afraid that only dailies/wg quests that matters |
| 13:22.31 | Baps | nev: someone commented in guildchat last night "my questlog has never looked like this before" to which I responded: "Mine has, but it's been two years..." |
| 13:22.33 | msoul | all other quests are going to get off of your list or something |
| 13:22.37 | msoul | dunno why I had this idea |
| 13:22.46 | nevcairiel | thats some weird idea |
| 13:22.55 | nevcairiel | anyhow, i have like 2 real quests |
| 13:23.01 | nevcairiel | one 5man in icc that i never did |
| 13:23.04 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: a guild mate of mine had the same... then 4.0.3a hit, and he race changed to dwarf (shaman)... and poof |
| 13:23.09 | nevcairiel | and the halion kill quest |
| 13:23.10 | jnwhiteh | what would you suggest grabbing? |
| 13:23.15 | msoul | jnwhiteh: argent/boat in icc, in sp all hodir "got the hole to travel fast from engi" and wg |
| 13:23.22 | nevcairiel | jnwhiteh: group quests, if you find them =) |
| 13:23.30 | msoul | all these will get you to 23 |
| 13:23.41 | nevcairiel | i did tournamen and boat and was at like 21 |
| 13:23.45 | nevcairiel | no need to travel to hodir |
| 13:23.49 | jnwhiteh | ah yeah |
| 13:23.50 | msoul | 2 zones and if you're okie with gold get waterlogged "i have 3 didn't buy them!" |
| 13:23.52 | jnwhiteh | that's easier for me |
| 13:23.53 | nevcairiel | did two in stormwind |
| 13:23.56 | nevcairiel | i hearth there anyway |
| 13:24.08 | Baps | tourney, boat, base of the hill, weekly raid quest, and the ebon blade quests is what I did |
| 13:24.14 | msoul | nevcairiel: what do tyou mean |
| 13:24.20 | Baps | hodir's area is a bit out of the way for me. |
| 13:24.22 | msoul | no need to travel to hodir |
| 13:24.25 | angayelle | skybreaker quests in icc are a pain to do sometimes |
| 13:24.41 | msoul | there are like 4 dailies on the boat that I could unlock |
| 13:24.49 | nevcairiel | msoul: my route is like, tournament, boat, dalaran, hearth stormwind, learn flying, hand in 2 quests there, go to questing area |
| 13:24.51 | msoul | 5 actually |
| 13:24.55 | angayelle | ebon hand ones are easy to do and pick up |
| 13:25.05 | msoul | nevcairiel: oh I see |
| 13:25.08 | Mirrormn | I was fortunate in that I had never done Icecrown on the character which I will be leveling first :) |
| 13:25.17 | msoul | angayelle: thanks! |
| 13:25.21 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: might want to head by your professions trainer, if you have a enchanting or a gathering profession ? |
| 13:25.22 | jnwhiteh | fishing and cooking daily ofc :p |
| 13:25.23 | nevcairiel | and i have more then 5 on the boat |
| 13:25.23 | msoul | was thinkinbg of the last two |
| 13:25.27 | msoul | had a brainfart I suppose |
| 13:25.33 | msoul | was thinking of kalu'ak quests |
| 13:25.34 | nevcairiel | Maldivia: oh yeah, learning herbing next step, of course |
| 13:25.47 | Mirrormn | nev, I have 17 quests that are turned in on the boat :> |
| 13:25.48 | angayelle | but in the hand if you are not that willing to get 85, just do tournmanet and go vashjir |
| 13:26.04 | nevcairiel | Mirrormn: you didnt finish questing it? |
| 13:26.07 | Mirrormn | no |
| 13:26.10 | msoul | dang it |
| 13:26.18 | nevcairiel | i skipped the pvp daily on the boat |
| 13:26.21 | Mirrormn | I didn't do Icecrown at all |
| 13:26.22 | nevcairiel | did all others |
| 13:26.24 | Mirrormn | on my mage |
| 13:26.29 | nevcairiel | plus one 5man group quest that i didnt do before |
| 13:26.30 | Mirrormn | as it was not my main at the start of wotlk |
| 13:26.57 | msoul | my route will be sp then use wormhole to get to icc then dala for waterlogged |
| 13:26.59 | Mirrormn | so when it came time to prepare for cata, I had the whole zone from which to pick the best quests |
| 13:27.03 | msoul | org then hyjal |
| 13:27.15 | sylvanaar_work | you are going to do hyjal? |
| 13:27.28 | msoul | erm, |
| 13:27.30 | nevcairiel | everyone tells me how much faster you are in hyjal because you can fly |
| 13:27.36 | nevcairiel | i'm still going to vashjir :P |
| 13:27.41 | sylvanaar_work | me too |
| 13:27.58 | msoul | any difference |
| 13:27.59 | Mirrormn | indeed |
| 13:28.07 | msoul | :o |
| 13:28.07 | Mirrormn | I like vashjir a lot better |
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| 13:28.11 | nevcairiel | i just think more people will go to hyjal |
| 13:28.12 | sylvanaar_work | vashj -> uldum (hopefully) |
| 13:28.15 | Mirrormn | and I think it has better flow |
| 13:28.15 | msoul | does look nice no doubt |
| 13:28.18 | msoul | I see I see |
| 13:28.21 | xqo | i think hyjal will be crowded. who wants to swim? The zone has small vallyes and shit though, and questmobs will be crowded. |
| 13:28.26 | nevcairiel | sylvanaar_work: i dont think you can skip 2 zones |
| 13:28.27 | xqo | see u in Vashj'ir |
| 13:28.39 | sylvanaar_work | id only be skipping 1 |
| 13:28.41 | nevcairiel | not doing hyjal, sure, but skipping deepholm, i dont think that works |
| 13:28.46 | sylvanaar_work | no? |
| 13:28.47 | Mirrormn | heh |
| 13:29.01 | msoul | I switch zones once I get to unlock that zone |
| 13:29.08 | msoul | by hitting the required lvl thgat is |
| 13:29.09 | Mirrormn | if you skipped deepholme you'd probably end up with twilight highlands done like just as you hit 84 |
| 13:29.13 | nevcairiel | with barely 82 after vashjir in uldum .. can you even go there before 83? |
| 13:29.16 | Mirrormn | that would be unfortunate |
| 13:29.20 | sylvanaar_work | deepholm id at least visit |
| 13:29.27 | sylvanaar_work | i guess, to unlock the portal |
| 13:29.28 | msoul | more xp in deepholm me thinks than vashjir |
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| 13:29.32 | msoul | once you hit 82 |
| 13:29.33 | nevcairiel | the twilight highlands breadcrumb doesnt start until you even hit 84 |
| 13:29.45 | Mirrormn | well, there ya go |
| 13:29.46 | msoul | Tol barad baby! |
| 13:29.48 | sylvanaar_work | idk what level the uldum breadcrum starts |
| 13:29.58 | smcn | 83 |
| 13:29.59 | msoul | 83 |
| 13:29.59 | Mirrormn | where is the uldum breadcrumb, btw? |
| 13:30.03 | smcn | i win! |
| 13:30.05 | smcn | :P |
| 13:30.06 | Mirrormn | and the twilight highlands one, for that matter? |
| 13:30.07 | msoul | http://www.wowwiki.com/Zones_by_level |
| 13:30.13 | nevcairiel | sylvanaar_work: 82 |
| 13:30.17 | smcn | Mirrormn: hero's call board/warchief's command board |
| 13:30.20 | smcn | in major cities |
| 13:30.20 | msoul | 84 |
| 13:30.24 | Mirrormn | good times |
| 13:30.25 | sylvanaar_work | well, if its 82, then im all over it |
| 13:30.32 | nevcairiel | Mirrormn: just go to the hero's call boards |
| 13:30.45 | Mirrormn | pish that's alliance bullshit |
| 13:30.51 | Mirrormn | I only follow the warchief's command |
| 13:30.53 | msoul | horde too |
| 13:31.01 | nevcairiel | actually, uldum is 83 |
| 13:31.08 | msoul | y |
| 13:31.08 | nevcairiel | i was looking at deepholme |
| 13:31.17 | Mirrormn | I'm a diehard Garrosh supporter cause he is a badass |
| 13:31.18 | sylvanaar_work | you know it would have made some sense to do 80, 81, 82, 83, 84 |
| 13:31.41 | sylvanaar_work | for the crumbs |
| 13:31.42 | msoul | hyjal/vashjir to 82, dh/uldum 83 to 84 |
| 13:31.43 | nevcairiel | well, now its 80, 80, 82, 83, 84 |
| 13:31.50 | msoul | twilight 84 |
| 13:31.52 | nevcairiel | no too bad |
| 13:31.56 | nevcairiel | not* |
| 13:31.56 | sylvanaar_work | yeah |
| 13:32.03 | Baps | it's nice to have a choice where to start |
| 13:32.13 | nevcairiel | spreads the masses |
| 13:32.14 | Baps | instead of forcing everyone on the same track at the start |
| 13:32.17 | msoul | I hated zulfarrak |
| 13:32.17 | sylvanaar_work | i really hate vash, but im going to do it |
| 13:32.24 | msoul | so stayed there one lvl only |
| 13:32.45 | msoul | wil go to less crowded zone |
| 13:32.48 | sylvanaar_work | at least ill have speed advantage at first |
| 13:32.55 | msoul | and hopefully with a mage from this guild! |
| 13:33.02 | msoul | and me lock to summ others = win |
| 13:33.12 | msoul | btw |
| 13:33.14 | sylvanaar_work | with seal form |
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| 13:33.22 | nevcairiel | nah sylv |
| 13:33.23 | msoul | do you still need to go to the dungeon first before you able to use lfg |
| 13:33.27 | nevcairiel | they disabled the speed in there |
| 13:33.31 | sylvanaar_work | what |
| 13:33.34 | sylvanaar_work | lame |
| 13:33.34 | nevcairiel | because it would be too unfair, i guess |
| 13:33.51 | nevcairiel | msoul: yea |
| 13:34.10 | msoul | :/ |
| 13:34.11 | nevcairiel | sylvanaar_work: but they moved the underwater mount to very early in the zone |
| 13:34.14 | msoul | not that bad I suppose |
| 13:34.15 | nevcairiel | something like after 10 quests |
| 13:34.18 | msoul | better than icc quests |
| 13:34.26 | Caleb| | you need to discover the enterance msoul |
| 13:34.26 | sylvanaar_work | they should disable paladin aura then by that logic |
| 13:34.39 | Maldivia | sylvanaar_work: you'll have a speed advantage on the fist 2 quests, then when you get sea legs buff, you're faster in human form than seal |
| 13:34.46 | msoul | Caleb|: thanks, yeah I won't go to it that fast will take my time exploring |
| 13:34.50 | sylvanaar_work | orly |
| 13:34.52 | nevcairiel | well true |
| 13:34.59 | nevcairiel | until you get the buff, yo uhave the advantage |
| 13:35.01 | Thunder_Child | you dont need to discover dungeons anymore |
| 13:35.11 | sylvanaar_work | what |
| 13:35.21 | sylvanaar_work | when did they change that |
| 13:35.29 | nevcairiel | they didnt |
| 13:35.34 | nevcairiel | they only removed it for wotlk dungeons |
| 13:35.39 | sylvanaar_work | i discovered brc |
| 13:35.50 | sylvanaar_work | i was happy about that |
| 13:35.57 | Thunder_Child | let me find that post again |
| 13:36.21 | Thunder_Child | nevcairiel: is correct |
| 13:36.24 | msoul | http://www.wowwiki.com/Deepholm |
| 13:36.25 | Thunder_Child | nvm then |
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| 13:36.44 | Mirrormn | I discovered brc, but I'm not sure it's a good idea to do a brc run while leveling |
| 13:36.50 | Mirrormn | unless it's with a trusted group |
| 13:36.51 | msoul | good zone for herbalists/miners |
| 13:36.58 | sylvanaar_work | well thats true |
| 13:36.59 | Mirrormn | otherwise you'd be risking too much, I think |
| 13:37.02 | sylvanaar_work | i dont know |
| 13:37.07 | sylvanaar_work | im torn |
| 13:37.09 | angayelle | 15% swim ftw http://www.wowhead.com/item=7052 |
| 13:37.10 | nevcairiel | risking? like what? |
| 13:37.12 | sylvanaar_work | its not a hard instance |
| 13:37.15 | msoul | sylvanaararen't you playing on the US? |
| 13:37.20 | sylvanaar_work | yes |
| 13:37.20 | Mirrormn | risking your group sucking and taking a long time |
| 13:37.37 | nevcairiel | angayelle: doesnt count in vashjir anymore once you have the sea legs buff |
| 13:37.40 | msoul | sylvanaar_work: 1 more day for you :P |
| 13:37.44 | msoul | runs |
| 13:37.46 | Mirrormn | this is assuming you're competing for speed leveling |
| 13:37.49 | sylvanaar_work | <1 day |
| 13:37.56 | angayelle | i'm sure i could have sold tons if i had the time |
| 13:38.19 | sylvanaar_work | im not, i just want to finish 85 in the 2 days i took off |
| 13:38.42 | nevcairiel | 9 hours, 21 minutes, 20 seconds |
| 13:38.46 | nevcairiel | i should go get some sleep |
| 13:38.47 | msoul | I'm just sadened by the fact I have to get to a certain lvl to get a profession done |
| 13:38.55 | msoul | i.e. mining/herbing/skininng |
| 13:39.02 | Mirrormn | 9 hours 21 minutes until what? |
| 13:39.11 | nevcairiel | EU cata release! |
| 13:39.16 | Mirrormn | oh |
| 13:39.22 | Mirrormn | how come eu gets cata before I do :( |
| 13:39.29 | nevcairiel | because |
| 13:39.30 | msoul | nevcairiel: stop teasing sylvanaar!!! |
| 13:39.37 | sylvanaar_work | lol |
| 13:39.40 | angayelle | because you usually have reset before us |
| 13:39.53 | Mirrormn | that's still not fair |
| 13:39.55 | nevcairiel | you get content patches earlier, we get expansions :P |
| 13:40.02 | angayelle | and even with that eu beat us on world first, lulz |
| 13:40.03 | Mirrormn | I should get everything I want *all* the time, not just most of the time |
| 13:40.12 | msoul | nevcairiel: they got world first though |
| 13:40.16 | msoul | on halion |
| 13:41.31 | msoul | I can't tell whether he's a sleep or a wake |
| 13:41.46 | msoul | you remember the scene were gandalf was holding the eye in lotr |
| 13:42.01 | msoul | and the hobbit wasn't so sure about it |
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| 13:47.10 | Industrial | nomnom http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontbijtkoek |
| 13:47.17 | Industrial | ontbijtkoek \o/ |
| 13:47.25 | angayelle | anyone already checked the fastest route for tailoring or enchanting ? |
| 13:47.51 | Industrial | I'm going to stop playing wow tomorrow/now |
| 13:47.51 | msoul | angayelle: I'm just stacking what I have which is loads and max with lvling enchanting |
| 13:47.57 | Industrial | since I can't buy cata since I'm broke |
| 13:47.58 | Industrial | >_> |
| 13:48.09 | msoul | infinite/greater and shards plus abyss |
| 13:48.22 | angayelle | i got loads of woltk cloth but i'm afraid it won't be of any use |
| 13:48.48 | msoul | angayelle: don't you have icc patterns and yellow/orange with low mats req? |
| 13:49.03 | msoul | do those to the extent that you think it's no use of maki ng then switch to whatever method you like |
| 13:49.05 | angayelle | icc are not exaclty low mats |
| 13:49.16 | msoul | please don't tell me you want it realm first too on professions |
| 13:49.17 | msoul | I know |
| 13:49.35 | msoul | I'm just "imho" and what I'll do with enchanting |
| 13:49.38 | angayelle | i don't want, i was just wondering for cheap prof lvling |
| 13:49.57 | msoul | stam bracers for instance will get you to 470 or a bit more |
| 13:50.07 | msoul | major stamins |
| 13:50.12 | msoul | 4 greater 1 abyss |
| 13:50.22 | msoul | that's orange |
| 13:50.49 | angayelle | that sounds good |
| 13:50.56 | msoul | aye |
| 13:51.03 | msoul | will get you atleast to 470 if not more |
| 13:51.17 | msoul | while you're questiong and DE what you get |
| 13:51.25 | msoul | is why I choose my lock over the shammie :/ |
| 13:51.32 | msoul | one of the reasons really and 310% speed |
| 13:51.38 | msoul | enchanting/engi |
| 13:51.42 | msoul | my shaman has alchemy/engi |
| 13:52.11 | angayelle | i've chosen ench at worltk for de quests too |
| 13:52.18 | Nobgul | My druid will be first to 85 He has / alch/herb |
| 13:52.31 | msoul | Nobgul: May the Force be with you |
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| 13:52.35 | Nobgul | I was going to use my shammy but he only has jc |
| 13:52.36 | msoul | Nobgul: got alch on 2 chars |
| 13:52.40 | msoul | engi too |
| 13:52.45 | msoul | only profession I am missing is tailoring |
| 13:52.49 | msoul | but still bummed |
| 13:52.51 | Nobgul | Eh i have my hunter with lw / skinning. |
| 13:53.00 | msoul | that I have to be at a certain lvl to max mining/skinning/herbing |
| 13:53.30 | msoul | like can't go to vash unless I am 82 if I understood it correctly |
| 13:53.35 | Nobgul | Last night was crazy in my guild. everyone was planning out how to get to 85 in 24 hours. |
| 13:53.39 | msoul | vash = mining/herb |
| 13:53.47 | msoul | :/ |
| 13:53.57 | Nobgul | Meeh GTARZ your 85 now wait for the rest of the realm to catch up to you so you can raid lol |
| 13:54.01 | Nobgul | GRATZ* |
| 13:54.10 | msoul | haha |
| 13:54.21 | msoul | won't bother with realm first |
| 13:54.27 | msoul | it does matter to some it seems |
| 13:54.31 | msoul | to get that achievement |
| 13:54.39 | Nobgul | Eh not worth it. One of my m8's has spend a arm and a leg to get realm first cooking. |
| 13:54.44 | Computerpunk | Man, playing Tool and Primus on Bass is a pain. |
| 13:54.49 | Nobgul | We fished for 3 days 20 of us to get fish |
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| 13:55.16 | Computerpunk | 2 bleeding fingers ftw. Gz me for saying a bit of extra play won't hurt. |
| 13:55.20 | msoul | Nobgul: I'm with you on that one... not worth getting tired/no sleep/ no nothing and barely eat |
| 13:55.26 | Nobgul | Just not worth it to me. I was in the beta from the start and I enjoyed the quest lines and lore. |
| 13:55.31 | msoul | might sew a diper while at lvling :X |
| 13:55.36 | msoul | hides under a pile of blankets |
| 13:55.58 | Kalroth | hides blankets under a pile of msouls |
| 13:55.59 | Nobgul | I look forward to going through it all with the guild and helping out. Cause there will be the infinite ammount of questions lol. |
| 13:56.01 | msoul | for those who want to get 85 asap that is :P |
| 13:56.16 | msoul | hehe |
| 13:56.29 | msoul | Nobgul: I just hope as I haven't played the beta to be honest |
| 13:56.33 | msoul | the new zones that is |
| 13:56.49 | msoul | that I don't miss quests like fight with the warchief for undercity |
| 13:56.52 | msoul | or battle for undercity |
| 13:56.56 | Nobgul | msoul, What i did was made questions and answers for triviabot everything i encountered in the beta, I have been running it every few days for a few hours. Hoping people will learn . |
| 13:56.58 | msoul | I keep forgetting the name of that quest |
| 13:57.15 | msoul | Nobgul: wish you were on eu/kazzak |
| 13:57.25 | msoul | and btw |
| 13:57.38 | sylvanaar_work | i need to get instance strats, i dont remember alot of the instances anymore |
| 13:57.38 | msoul | Nobgul: ppl and learn does not mix in one sentence |
| 13:58.09 | Nobgul | I have thought about transfering to eu. They are pretty much top of the raiding game. But after getting my guild to 12th on the realm in progression, I am happy that we will be in the top 5 -10 through cata. |
| 13:58.36 | msoul | Nobgul: I can't be sure about this but |
| 13:58.54 | msoul | EU is full of kiddies that don't care about anything but themselves |
| 13:59.00 | msoul | in general |
| 13:59.05 | Nobgul | There are some US teams trying real hard to be #1. |
| 13:59.10 | msoul | and only few guilds that actually care about you socially |
| 13:59.22 | Nobgul | Yea well i guess the grass is always greener lol. |
| 13:59.25 | msoul | I was chatting with one from slashcry on kazzak |
| 13:59.29 | nevcairiel | thats the same everywhere :P |
| 13:59.40 | msoul | he told me they had a motto in the guild "you missed it, too bad for you" |
| 13:59.45 | Baps | you can be good and social.. but you can't be #1 and social. |
| 13:59.54 | Kalroth | what Baps said |
| 13:59.55 | msoul | and he was missing only 1 achievement that in WG raid |
| 14:00.02 | msoul | sigh the name went off my mind now |
| 14:00.04 | msoul | voa yes |
| 14:00.10 | msoul | that you need to kill all bosses at once |
| 14:00.12 | Baps | if you want to be #1, you have to be cutthroat and exacting and demanding |
| 14:00.19 | Baps | Earth wind and fire |
| 14:00.23 | msoul | and that's all guilds are the same... |
| 14:00.26 | Kalroth | The serious raiding guilds cant afford to drag casuals around |
| 14:00.30 | Nobgul | Yea it is. Draenor is known as the crap hole of Blizzard realms. |
| 14:00.54 | Nobgul | Well I know the top guild on my realm gets paid to play wow. 10 of them. |
| 14:00.57 | Lopeppeppy | Argent Dawn! |
| 14:00.57 | msoul | Baps: I like the idea of being with top notch guild... but if that means that I have to act like an ass and care about nothing but content then I rather be guildless |
| 14:01.03 | Kalroth | Nobgul: hahah, no they dont |
| 14:01.04 | Mirrormn | The serious raiding guilds *can* afford to drag casuals around, but the serious raiders refuse to. |
| 14:01.08 | Nobgul | None of them have jobs. |
| 14:01.10 | Baps | you can be a top 1% guild and social.. but not #1. |
| 14:01.12 | Kalroth | So? |
| 14:01.16 | msoul | Nobgul: lol! |
| 14:01.24 | Kalroth | There aren't any guilds that get paid to play |
| 14:01.33 | Nobgul | Kalroth, You are misguided. |
| 14:01.34 | msoul | sponsors |
| 14:01.40 | Kalroth | No I'm not |
| 14:01.42 | nevcairiel | They dont get paid to play |
| 14:01.45 | msoul | heh |
| 14:01.48 | Nobgul | 0-O |
| 14:01.51 | msoul | sponsors |
| 14:01.51 | Kalroth | Even Nihilum only got free tshirts and mice and shit |
| 14:01.56 | Baps | I think that my guild handles that balance pretty well, but I'm (obviously) biased. |
| 14:01.56 | Mirrormn | indeed |
| 14:01.56 | nevcairiel | If they get paid, its to advertise the sponsors name or something |
| 14:01.57 | Kalroth | they never got a paycheck |
| 14:02.01 | msoul | nihilium? boy |
| 14:02.04 | nevcairiel | but not for playing itself |
| 14:02.06 | Nobgul | Who? |
| 14:02.06 | Mirrormn | Sponsorship != fulltime sponsorship |
| 14:02.08 | msoul | what rock were you living under |
| 14:02.11 | angayelle | they get paid to advertise, yes |
| 14:02.28 | msoul | ensidia is all over razor crap |
| 14:02.30 | Nobgul | Eh not worth the argument. |
| 14:02.38 | Nobgul | Paradoz |
| 14:02.39 | Kalroth | msoul: Sure, how much do you think they make from it? |
| 14:02.41 | Nobgul | err paradox |
| 14:02.44 | Kalroth | It's pennies |
| 14:02.45 | Mirrormn | just cause you get some money for being prestigious does not mean you can afford to live off that money |
| 14:02.47 | msoul | Kalroth: ask them don'ty ask me |
| 14:02.48 | Nobgul | premonition |
| 14:02.51 | Kalroth | I know them |
| 14:02.52 | msoul | pennies? |
| 14:02.53 | msoul | right |
| 14:02.57 | Baps | they might get some perks, but it's not enough to let 'em quit their day jobs |
| 14:03.15 | msoul | I agree with you on that |
| 14:03.15 | Nobgul | ok. |
| 14:03.16 | Mirrormn | however, many of them may be supported by the government or family members |
| 14:03.17 | nevcairiel | people in ensidia have day jobs? |
| 14:03.27 | msoul | yes |
| 14:03.30 | Kalroth | Most do, yes |
| 14:03.50 | msoul | nevcairiel: mek for instance some architicture something |
| 14:03.51 | Kalroth | The rest are students or unemployeed |
| 14:03.54 | msoul | can't remember his work |
| 14:04.29 | Nobgul | Look what i started. |
| 14:04.43 | msoul | Nobgul: it's a dock! |
| 14:05.05 | nevcairiel | In any case, you dont get paid for playing. Maybe you get paid for advertising some sponsor, but thats about it |
| 14:05.10 | msoul | what's the movie name were ppl say "burn her she's a witch" and one says it's a dock |
| 14:05.16 | msoul | one of the funniest moves indeed |
| 14:05.28 | jnwhiteh | Monty Python and the Holy Grail? |
| 14:05.30 | msoul | nevcairiel: they get free mouses and stuff |
| 14:05.39 | nevcairiel | thats just advertisement |
| 14:05.39 | msoul | jnwhiteh: that's the one, than k you |
| 14:05.48 | msoul | still you get a "free" item |
| 14:05.57 | Kalroth | sure, that wasn't the discussion |
| 14:06.01 | msoul | swifty got all his stuff from them |
| 14:06.04 | msoul | and all "free" |
| 14:06.04 | nevcairiel | ensidia is playing on the brand new razor mouse! Buy it now, and you will as well! |
| 14:06.12 | Kalroth | [15:00] <Nobgul> Well I know the top guild on my realm gets paid to play wow. 10 of them. |
| 14:06.13 | Kalroth | [15:01] <Nobgul> None of them have jobs. |
| 14:06.47 | Mirrormn | maybe the too sentences were not necessarily correlated :P |
| 14:06.47 | msoul | jnwhiteh: only few gets the dock joke ;) |
| 14:06.50 | Mirrormn | *two |
| 14:07.09 | Thunder_Child | and thats duck |
| 14:07.13 | Mirrormn | yeah |
| 14:07.18 | nevcairiel | msoul: i could pay my rent with money i make with WoW |
| 14:07.21 | Mirrormn | it's supposed to be "It's a duck!" |
| 14:07.23 | nevcairiel | i still dont claim to be paid for playing |
| 14:07.30 | Nobgul | Hehe |
| 14:07.32 | msoul | nevcairiel: :o |
| 14:07.37 | Nobgul | nevcairiel, thats something diff |
| 14:07.42 | msoul | it's an income |
| 14:07.43 | Nobgul | I wasn;t going to bring that up. |
| 14:07.56 | Kalroth | nevcairiel got a prince from saudi arabia, paying his bills |
| 14:08.04 | zenzio | nevcairiel: most people wouldn't consider being paid to cyber to be "paid to play" |
| 14:08.05 | nevcairiel | my sugar daddy! |
| 14:08.11 | msoul | !!!! |
| 14:08.17 | msoul | it's a "Duck" |
| 14:08.24 | Nobgul | lol |
| 14:08.27 | Mirrormn | yep |
| 14:08.29 | msoul | so Thunder_Child doesn't get mad for me mispelling it :P |
| 14:08.38 | Thunder_Child | to late? |
| 14:08.41 | msoul | :( |
| 14:08.48 | nevcairiel | too* |
| 14:08.50 | msoul | I speak 3 diff languages almost everyday |
| 14:08.52 | Nobgul | Anyway. So I am off to finally sleep. |
| 14:08.57 | msoul | actually everyday |
| 14:09.05 | msoul | Nobgul: sleep tight babe |
| 14:09.10 | nevcairiel | I'm still pondering if i should try to catch some hours before servers go live |
| 14:09.12 | Kraps | heyo |
| 14:09.14 | Thunder_Child | thats ok, i manage to fail at the one i speak |
| 14:09.15 | nevcairiel | it'll be dark soon anyway |
| 14:09.26 | msoul | it's been dark since 3 pm here |
| 14:09.31 | msoul | and it's the national day here |
| 14:09.42 | nevcairiel | its just 3pm here, will be another hour before its dark |
| 14:10.20 | Nobgul|Sleep | "What a Long Strange Trip It's Been" |
| 14:10.20 | angayelle | i didn't know guatemala had a national day |
| 14:10.35 | cbreak_work | doesn't every nation have one? |
| 14:10.45 | msoul | angayelle: Finland babe |
| 14:11.01 | msoul | not from Finland though married to a Finn yes |
| 14:11.06 | angayelle | ehe, that's one nice trick to know where people come from, hey ? |
| 14:11.07 | msoul | and speak 3 diff languages YES |
| 14:11.12 | msoul | that's for Thunder_Child |
| 14:11.30 | msoul | angayelle: I use a trick to know ppls name cause I have trouble remembering them |
| 14:11.37 | angayelle | i thought call center where mostly in india but why not finland |
| 14:11.40 | msoul | "how to spell your name" one of them said to me "It's tim" |
| 14:11.44 | cbreak_work | speaks english, C++, Lua, C, ... :) |
| 14:12.00 | Mirrormn | say something to me in Lua |
| 14:12.03 | zenzio | so you capitalise those, but not English? |
| 14:12.04 | msoul | I speak a little swe |
| 14:12.07 | msoul | a very very little |
| 14:12.07 | zenzio | English is disappointed |
| 14:12.19 | cbreak_work | english is not a trademark :) |
| 14:12.28 | Mirrormn | heh |
| 14:12.37 | angayelle | english is not a language anymore anyway |
| 14:12.39 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: tell steam to put some deals up already |
| 14:12.42 | cbreak_work | lua> print("Hello Mirrormn"); |
| 14:12.42 | lua_bot | cbreak_work: Hello Mirrormn |
| 14:12.45 | zenzio | it's a name (or proper noun or something, I'm not sure about the English term) |
| 14:12.48 | Adys | cbreak: in English, any language or nationality needs to be capitalized :p |
| 14:13.15 | Adys | much unlike French, where only the country is |
| 14:13.16 | msoul | or just be an elite and type like eNgLiSh |
| 14:13.25 | Adys | 3nglish |
| 14:13.30 | cbreak_work | Adys: Yeah, but it's ugly. |
| 14:13.31 | nevcairiel | its not called elite, its called moron these days |
| 14:13.38 | msoul | haha |
| 14:13.44 | cbreak_work | not as bad as research paper titles, that capitalize every single word, but still... |
| 14:14.00 | msoul | nevcairiel: I so hated it when ppl do that |
| 14:14.09 | msoul | and call irc "Mirc" |
| 14:14.22 | zenzio | cbreak_work: I agree with the sentiment |
| 14:14.25 | Adys | and call their email address "the internet" |
| 14:14.26 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: i know, but i can only assume they are storing up for christmas |
| 14:14.33 | msoul | Adys: hehe |
| 14:14.38 | angayelle | so should i say "the Internet" or "Internet" ? |
| 14:14.43 | msoul | Adys: might want to fold it and take it with you!" :p |
| 14:14.53 | Thunder_Child | anything but intertubes |
| 14:15.09 | Adys | reminds me |
| 14:15.09 | Adys | http://theoatmeal.com/comics/email |
| 14:16.05 | Kraps | my father still thinks that an email represents a specific computer |
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| 14:16.38 | Kraps | an email address |
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| 14:18.16 | angayelle | wait wut, it doesn't ? |
| 14:18.33 | angayelle | gosh, i bought 5 computers for my 5 email adresses |
| 14:18.40 | Kraps | :) |
| 14:19.06 | cbreak_work | originally, it represented user@host |
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| 14:19.25 | cbreak_work | in the early days of the internet :) |
| 14:20.01 | Kraps | we might have convinced him that it doesnt work like that, but we'll see |
| 14:20.07 | Baps | in the early days, you had to know how to get it there... |
| 14:20.34 | Baps | ...!uiucgw!uiucuxa!bob |
| 14:20.36 | msoul | how long have you been on irc btw |
| 14:20.46 | Baps | 1990. |
| 14:20.49 | msoul | I started on efnet and still there |
| 14:20.54 | msoul | 1997 |
| 14:21.00 | Baps | EFNET was 250 people at peak times back then |
| 14:21.13 | msoul | I remember few servers that I used to use |
| 14:21.14 | Baps | +hottub was the big channel.. had as many as 30 people at once! |
| 14:21.28 | msoul | lightning which is he.net now and c-com.net that is something else now |
| 14:21.38 | msoul | you know ppl from hottub? |
| 14:21.46 | msoul | I know few and they're still around :-) |
| 14:21.53 | Baps | just ones local to UIUC |
| 14:22.05 | Baps | I was involved in a few opwars on +hottub back in the day |
| 14:22.39 | msoul | hehe |
| 14:23.45 | msoul | I feel old now :( |
| 14:24.21 | msoul | even yesterday I was reading an article and read "it's been a 20 years since the war" and I was in that country during the war |
| 14:24.31 | msoul | 2 days reminder now |
| 14:24.57 | Kalroth | granpa msoul |
| 14:25.18 | msoul | hehe |
| 14:25.31 | msoul | if I don't shave especially :/ |
| 14:29.16 | jnwhiteh | so the airship in Icecorn |
| 14:29.16 | Kraps | New Tomb Raider To Trace the Origin of Lara Croft |
| 14:29.19 | jnwhiteh | Icecrown |
| 14:29.22 | jnwhiteh | not always up? |
| 14:29.26 | msoul | it is |
| 14:29.28 | Kraps | Icecorn |
| 14:29.30 | Baps | not always in the same spot |
| 14:29.30 | msoul | always |
| 14:29.36 | jnwhiteh | hrm, shouldn't it show on map? |
| 14:29.41 | msoul | it should |
| 14:29.42 | Baps | does when you get close enough |
| 14:29.47 | jnwhiteh | k |
| 14:30.03 | jnwhiteh | indeed it does |
| 14:30.48 | jnwhiteh | huh |
| 14:30.53 | jnwhiteh | I have 0 quests there |
| 14:31.00 | jnwhiteh | I've never done any.. ,pre-quests? |
| 14:31.07 | msoul | you need only 1 |
| 14:31.13 | msoul | I think if you done the ones before |
| 14:31.27 | jnwhiteh | any idea what one or where I should go? |
| 14:31.29 | msoul | orc laying on a bed |
| 14:31.39 | jnwhiteh | lol.. where? |
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| 14:31.44 | msoul | is the questgiver that you should deliver to the ship |
| 14:32.21 | msoul | in icc were the pala is now |
| 14:32.35 | msoul | sigh "i can't rmemeber names today" |
| 14:32.40 | msoul | sec will get it to you |
| 14:32.48 | jnwhiteh | k, thank you! |
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| 14:33.23 | jnwhiteh | sioraiocht: ohai |
| 14:33.49 | sioraiocht | hihi |
| 14:35.36 | msoul | cru8sader's pinnacle |
| 14:35.42 | msoul | jnwhiteh: crusaders pinnacle |
| 14:35.44 | jnwhiteh | k |
| 14:35.48 | msoul | the orc is inside laying on the bed |
| 14:38.34 | Kraps | oy why was i assuming Flight Master's License would cost 5k gold? |
| 14:38.47 | msoul | 2xx gold iirc |
| 14:38.48 | Lopeppeppy | Is it more, or less? |
| 14:38.54 | Baps | 250g before rep |
| 14:38.54 | sylvanaar_work | its like 300g isnt it |
| 14:39.01 | zenzio | less is more, more or less |
| 14:39.13 | Lopeppeppy | bops zenzio on the nose |
| 14:39.13 | msoul | I just need to know if I can learn it in dala |
| 14:39.22 | Kraps | what Baps said |
| 14:39.24 | msoul | guess I am not prepared :( |
| 14:39.26 | zenzio | Lopeppeppy: \o/ |
| 14:39.31 | sylvanaar_work | theres no trainer in dal anymore is there |
| 14:39.40 | msoul | there is |
| 14:39.44 | Mirrormn | what I'd like to know is if you can buy the license from the cold weather trainer in dalaran |
| 14:39.49 | Kraps | why not? at the landing area? |
| 14:39.50 | msoul | to learn artisan atleast and 310% speed |
| 14:39.59 | sylvanaar_work | i went yesterday and couldnt find him |
| 14:40.05 | msoul | will |
| 14:40.10 | msoul | it flies sometimes around |
| 14:40.14 | msoul | one circle or 2 |
| 14:40.16 | msoul | iirc |
| 14:40.24 | Kraps | cause its a she sylvanaar_work :p |
| 14:40.27 | msoul | then goes back to where it was you still see it when it flies around |
| 14:41.50 | sylvanaar_work | ok |
| 14:42.37 | zenzio | http://www.lamebook.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/dirty-laundry.png ... |
| 14:42.40 | sylvanaar_work | i just logged out at the org trainer |
| 14:44.07 | msoul | isn't it by the orc/troll/goblin quarter masters? |
| 14:44.13 | sylvanaar_work | yeah |
| 14:44.33 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:44.50 | zenzio | you planning to wall-of-text them? |
| 14:44.54 | Cairenn | yep |
| 14:45.00 | sylvanaar_work | yeah i was going to ask that |
| 14:45.14 | sylvanaar_work | be sure to link when you are done |
| 14:45.24 | Cairenn | have my wall-o-text typed up, just need to know where to put in the splits |
| 14:45.38 | sylvanaar_work | subject? |
| 14:45.51 | Cairenn | copying over my Mod FAQ from the old forums |
| 14:45.55 | sylvanaar_work | ah |
| 14:45.57 | Adys | Cairenn casts Wall of Text on Forums for 10000. (15000 absorbed) |
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| 14:46.19 | Adys | should say that when you go over the limit |
| 14:46.22 | sylvanaar_work | Forums cast post limit on cairenn |
| 14:46.25 | Cairenn | so, any idea guys? |
| 14:46.29 | Cairenn | Adys: okay |
| 14:46.46 | Adys | Cairenn: sec |
| 14:46.50 | Cairenn | np |
| 14:47.12 | Adys | Cairenn: 15k |
| 14:47.19 | Cairenn | per post? |
| 14:47.20 | Adys | yep |
| 14:47.23 | sylvanaar_work | dems alot of chars |
| 14:47.24 | Cairenn | wow |
| 14:47.24 | Adys | appears to be the physical limit |
| 14:47.26 | Cairenn | yeah |
| 14:47.27 | Adys | maybe the server trims |
| 14:47.51 | Lopeppeppy | That's a project and a half, Cairenn! |
| 14:48.10 | Cairenn | Seerah did most of it for me, for which I'm very grateful |
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| 14:48.52 | Lopeppeppy | Seerah kicks booty. |
| 14:48.57 | Cairenn | that she does |
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| 14:50.28 | Cairenn | okay, another question - what would you guys say is currently the TOP question asked in the UI&M forum? |
| 14:50.43 | Baps | "what the hell happened to this?" |
| 14:50.55 | sylvanaar_work | lol |
| 14:51.38 | Lopeppeppy | And yet... the best answer. |
| 14:51.41 | sylvanaar_work | "Need a _____ addon", "Best ______ addon" |
| 14:51.43 | Lopeppeppy | "Where are the new forums!!!!" |
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| 14:52.16 | sylvanaar_work | lol post your UI |
| 14:52.31 | Cairenn | sylvanaar: those are in the standard top 4, but usually there's one that is THE top question at any given time |
| 14:52.41 | Cairenn | other than those standard top 4 |
| 14:53.05 | sylvanaar_work | well, im out of ideas |
| 14:53.12 | Hjalte | I would imagine a lot of people wanting to find a new Questhelper ;) |
| 14:53.19 | sylvanaar_work | hehe |
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| 14:53.33 | sylvanaar_work | isnt it broken? |
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| 14:53.43 | Kraps | it was updated i think |
| 14:54.27 | Cairenn | not since 6 Oct |
| 14:55.48 | Kraps | beg to differ :) http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info12965-Carbonite.html |
| 14:56.14 | Cairenn | that's not questhelper, that's carbonite :p |
| 14:56.14 | Thunder_Child | i think they were talking about questhelper |
| 14:56.46 | msoul | jnwhiteh: did you unlock them |
| 14:56.47 | Kraps | oh well pizza |
| 14:56.49 | msoul | or got the quests |
| 14:56.53 | Lopeppeppy | I'm supposed to have a WoW date on Wednesday, I already re-scheduled it. :) I don't forsee stable servers. |
| 14:56.54 | jnwhiteh | working no it |
| 14:56.58 | jnwhiteh | tons to do in IC first |
| 14:57.05 | msoul | oh |
| 14:57.13 | msoul | I don't remember it's been a while |
| 14:57.22 | msoul | but I think there is a quest you need to dilver tol moonglade |
| 14:57.41 | jnwhiteh | k |
| 14:57.59 | jnwhiteh | i'm 28/140 in IC :P |
| 14:58.01 | msoul | think it's just delivering quests to get to it not sure |
| 14:58.11 | msoul | jnwhiteh: I'm not far either on my lock |
| 14:58.26 | msoul | I did grab that quests earlier but done the ones before a while ago |
| 14:58.31 | msoul | quest* |
| 14:58.35 | msoul | the orc quest that is |
| 14:58.57 | msoul | but the delivering ones are a matter of flying to the guy in icc close to tournament |
| 14:58.58 | Adys | Silly question |
| 14:59.04 | msoul | and back to the pinnacle |
| 14:59.07 | Adys | do the heirloom xp bonuses work from 80 to 81? |
| 14:59.10 | msoul | few times |
| 14:59.14 | angayelle | no adys |
| 14:59.15 | Adys | i know they dont work 81-85 |
| 14:59.16 | msoul | no |
| 14:59.38 | angayelle | at least blues stated so if i recal right |
| 15:00.02 | Adys | if I am to trust the client-side game mechanics |
| 15:00.07 | Adys | they work between 80 to 81 |
| 15:00.24 | angayelle | interesting then |
| 15:00.28 | Kraps | Lopeppeppy: whats a wow date? :p |
| 15:00.47 | dardack_ | adys i would love to know this answer also |
| 15:01.02 | Mirrormn | it seems like something someone would have though of |
| 15:01.20 | Baps | I'd be surprised if they worked while level 80 |
| 15:01.26 | Mirrormn | exactly |
| 15:01.45 | angayelle | adys, buy them all and report us |
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| 15:01.50 | Adys | thats what Im doing |
| 15:01.53 | angayelle | then we'll buy it too |
| 15:02.01 | sylvanaar_work | everyone i know has said they will not work for level 80 |
| 15:02.29 | Adys | the heirlooms stop giving any sort of bonus once you're above level 80 |
| 15:02.37 | Kraps | the blue tracker on mmoc doesnt have a search option yet |
| 15:02.38 | Adys | they stop "working" entirely |
| 15:02.49 | nevcairiel | yeah thats kinda silly |
| 15:02.53 | angayelle | stats don't evolve ? |
| 15:02.55 | nevcairiel | suddenly you dont have any gear anymore |
| 15:03.02 | sylvanaar_work | it is stupid yeah |
| 15:03.26 | sylvanaar_work | i didnt realize that the xp buffs were addative |
| 15:03.31 | sylvanaar_work | i thought you only got one |
| 15:03.37 | nevcairiel | they are, yea |
| 15:03.49 | sylvanaar_work | thats pretty nice |
| 15:03.57 | sylvanaar_work | you can get something like 55% |
| 15:03.58 | Lopeppeppy | Kraps. When you have a friend who plays wow, who lives very far away, and you use WoW as a voice server and excuse to hang out for a few hours! |
| 15:04.10 | Kraps | heh |
| 15:04.35 | Lopeppeppy | I also do football IM dates, and movie IM dates with friends. I have a lot of far-flung friends! |
| 15:05.38 | angayelle | you date way too much, peppy, my mother won't like that |
| 15:07.01 | Kraps | "Dropping the portals was a dull idea and they need to be brought back in the next patch." |
| 15:07.08 | Lopeppeppy | Sorry, angayelle, seems like you're not destined to be a part of my social life. Can't do things your momma wouldn't approve of. |
| 15:07.11 | Kraps | dull idea eh? |
| 15:07.28 | angayelle | yeah, looks like so |
| 15:07.46 | angayelle | link kraps ? |
| 15:07.58 | Kraps | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1219753509 |
| 15:09.57 | angayelle | i thought it was some blue quote, i'm kinda enjoying being so loved as a mage now |
| 15:11.20 | msoul | do you play fire? |
| 15:11.24 | msoul | or arcane |
| 15:11.25 | angayelle | aye |
| 15:11.27 | angayelle | fire |
| 15:11.33 | msoul | do you have problems going oom? |
| 15:11.47 | msoul | with a fight longer than 4 minutes |
| 15:11.50 | angayelle | not at 80, besides lk HC |
| 15:11.55 | msoul | Hmm |
| 15:12.04 | msoul | so every other boss in icc is fine |
| 15:12.05 | angayelle | using evoc and gems that is |
| 15:12.06 | msoul | weird |
| 15:12.11 | msoul | yeah |
| 15:12.15 | alestane | So it turns out that even at level 20 now, trying to tank or heal off-spec in a dungeon doesn't work very well anymore. |
| 15:12.20 | msoul | I've read a post by ekyu a mage from ensidia |
| 15:12.30 | Mirrormn | I was able to do HLK as fire without many mana problems |
| 15:12.35 | msoul | was complaining about fire and saying he'll go arcane/frost if they don't ficx the mana issues with fire |
| 15:12.36 | msoul | etc |
| 15:12.41 | Mirrormn | but when scaling to 85... |
| 15:12.54 | Mirrormn | the mana increase on your spells gets downright scary |
| 15:13.05 | msoul | saying that doesn't tell anything |
| 15:13.15 | Mirrormn | all right |
| 15:13.17 | msoul | are you using mage armor, are you using scorch in your prio system |
| 15:13.28 | Mirrormn | by level 83, your spells will cost ~2.5 times as much as they do at level 80 |
| 15:13.33 | msoul | lots of questions when you say I have no mana issues as fire |
| 15:13.43 | Mirrormn | oh, at level 80 |
| 15:13.47 | msoul | Not talking about lvl 83 |
| 15:13.49 | angayelle | mana issues for fire ought to be corrected at some point, dps reports doesn"t justify being oom, unlike arcane spec |
| 15:13.50 | msoul | or 81 even |
| 15:13.51 | msoul | all 80 now |
| 15:13.59 | Mirrormn | I was using molten armor and did not have the reduced mana cost for scorch talent |
| 15:14.06 | msoul | angayelle: I thought it's the other way around |
| 15:14.16 | msoul | oom with fire, arcane if you spam ab |
| 15:14.38 | angayelle | i mean if arcane had unlimited mana it could threw everything around, not fire |
| 15:14.45 | msoul | notice I played mage for a short time and read posts here and there |
| 15:14.53 | Mirrormn | although I was using scorch a fair amount during phase 2 due to moving around |
| 15:14.54 | msoul | ah ok |
| 15:14.59 | angayelle | fire has no real way to dump mana into damage |
| 15:15.01 | msoul | y |
| 15:15.10 | msoul | on ej atleast there are 2 builds |
| 15:15.12 | msoul | as fire |
| 15:15.20 | angayelle | aoe one and single target one |
| 15:15.25 | msoul | one by adding scorch in your prio system the other you pick mage armor |
| 15:15.39 | msoul | both were talking about how you can handle the mana issues |
| 15:15.49 | Mirrormn | for leveling in cata, I got the no mana scorch talent so I can have basically no downtime for the first 2 levels |
| 15:16.07 | Mirrormn | after which I will be switching to frost |
| 15:16.28 | Mirrormn | cause once your crit starts to drop drastically from gaining levels, fire starts to suck :( |
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| 15:16.56 | msoul | think frost will be a raiding spec at some point :/ |
| 15:17.06 | angayelle | oh my i plan to lvl in vashjir, we cannot use fire spells in water, do we ? |
| 15:17.06 | Mirrormn | I dunno |
| 15:17.09 | msoul | I'll be playing destro then switch to affli |
| 15:17.11 | Mirrormn | lol |
| 15:17.19 | Mirrormn | yes you can use fire spells underwater ^_^ |
| 15:17.24 | angayelle | nonsense |
| 15:17.24 | Jamash | nah fire spells work extra good underwater |
| 15:17.39 | Jamash | they become steam spells |
| 15:17.43 | msoul | Jamash: were you the one talking about inline aura addon? |
| 15:17.46 | angayelle | i were swimming in fuel, why not, but water |
| 15:17.50 | Mirrormn | you can also use fire spells against almost all of the fire elementals in hyjal |
| 15:17.55 | Jamash | msoul: I don't know, when? |
| 15:17.59 | Mirrormn | (but not Ragnaros at the very end) |
| 15:18.05 | msoul | Jamash: a week or so ago |
| 15:18.09 | Nobgul | Short Lived Sleep |
| 15:18.10 | Jamash | msoul: Probably |
| 15:18.15 | msoul | well, thank you |
| 15:18.30 | Jamash | msoul: you're welcome, <3 Inline Auras, especially on my warlock |
| 15:18.46 | Fisker | slaps Jamash around a bit with a large trout |
| 15:18.49 | msoul | haha I have a lock too that I will be lvling first :-) |
| 15:18.59 | Jamash | hi Fisker |
| 15:19.06 | Jamash | kill any good guys lately? |
| 15:19.09 | Nobgul | Fisker, Once killed a man. |
| 15:19.22 | Fisker | i did |
| 15:19.29 | Mirrormn | fisker once killed, a man |
| 15:19.32 | Jamash | just to watch him die? |
| 15:19.36 | sylvanaar_work | purl, Fisker once killed a guy |
| 15:19.48 | sylvanaar_work | shes a little slow today |
| 15:20.02 | Nobgul | ~Nobgul |
| 15:20.02 | purl | Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurn! |
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| 15:20.02 | sylvanaar_work | or lol i am |
| 15:20.07 | Nobgul | Can we change that? |
| 15:20.14 | sylvanaar_work | yeah |
| 15:20.21 | sylvanaar_work | ~sylvanaar |
| 15:20.22 | purl | ERROR: stack overflow. JK LOL. |
| 15:20.27 | Nobgul | I may have access to the bot Not sure. |
| 15:20.34 | Jamash | nice |
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| 15:20.38 | Nobgul | never bothered to ask lol |
| 15:20.44 | angayelle | be nice to purl |
| 15:20.47 | Nobgul | purl, Nobgul Is Woot! |
| 15:20.47 | purl | ...but nobgul is already something else... |
| 15:20.55 | Nobgul | purl, Forget Nobgul |
| 15:20.55 | purl | i forgot nobgul, Nobgul |
| 15:21.01 | Nobgul | ~nobgul |
| 15:21.09 | Kraps | http://us.media.blizzard.com/wow/media/comics//comic-2010-09-02-full.jpg |
| 15:21.11 | Nobgul | I assume i do have access =) |
| 15:21.19 | angayelle | you brokested it, nobgul |
| 15:21.28 | sylvanaar_work | purl, Nobgul is <LITERAL>Nub! |
| 15:21.28 | purl | okay, sylvanaar_work |
| 15:21.37 | sylvanaar_work | ~nobgul |
| 15:21.37 | purl | hmm... nobgul is <LITERAL>Nub! |
| 15:21.41 | sylvanaar_work | oh damn |
| 15:21.46 | Nobgul | lol |
| 15:21.48 | Mirrormn | nicely done ^_^ |
| 15:21.49 | nebula169 | isn't that a public thing? |
| 15:22.04 | Nobgul | nebula169, I don't think so there are access levels. |
| 15:22.07 | sylvanaar_work | what is it <action> ? |
| 15:22.11 | Jamash | ~jamash |
| 15:22.12 | purl | well, jamash is a pretty cool guy, eh writes Learning Aid and doesn't afraid of anything. |
| 15:22.19 | nebula169 | purl, nebula169 is silly |
| 15:22.19 | purl | okay, nebula169 |
| 15:22.21 | angayelle | it's public by the means you can enter and LEAVE |
| 15:22.21 | Mirrormn | no purl, nobgul is <reply> Nub! |
| 15:22.22 | angayelle | ehe |
| 15:22.36 | Mirrormn | er |
| 15:22.41 | Mirrormn | no, purl, nobgul is <reply> Nub! |
| 15:22.50 | Nobgul | no purl, nobgul is <reply> Nub! |
| 15:22.51 | Mirrormn | I think that's how it works |
| 15:22.51 | cog|away | purl no nobgul is <reply>Nub! |
| 15:22.51 | purl | okay, cog|away |
| 15:22.57 | Nobgul | =) |
| 15:22.59 | Nobgul | ~nobgul |
| 15:23.00 | purl | Nub! |
| 15:23.02 | Nobgul | =P |
| 15:23.06 | Nobgul | I can live with that. |
| 15:23.07 | sylvanaar_work | purl, no nobgul is literal <reply>Nub! |
| 15:23.07 | purl | okay, sylvanaar_work |
| 15:23.14 | sylvanaar_work | ~nobgul |
| 15:23.14 | purl | somebody said nobgul was literal <reply>Nub! |
| 15:23.20 | sylvanaar_work | i give up |
| 15:23.27 | Jamash | you fail, sylvanaar_work |
| 15:23.28 | sylvanaar_work | ~literal sylvanaar |
| 15:23.28 | purl | "sylvanaar" is "<reply>ERROR: stack overflow. JK LOL." |
| 15:23.51 | sylvanaar_work | purl, no nobgul is <reply>Nub! |
| 15:23.51 | purl | okay, sylvanaar_work |
| 15:23.56 | sylvanaar_work | ~nobgul |
| 15:23.56 | purl | Nub! |
| 15:24.03 | Nobgul | I herd Shirik, Once killed a man for messing with the bot 0_o |
| 15:24.16 | Jamash | more like nubgul amirite |
| 15:24.23 | sylvanaar_work | i thought Shirik's bot was shiibot |
| 15:24.35 | Nobgul | Ah yer thats jnwhiteh's i reckon |
| 15:24.40 | Nobgul | MIne is nob-bot |
| 15:24.47 | sylvanaar_work | ~purl |
| 15:24.48 | Jamash | mine is Fisker |
| 15:24.49 | Nobgul | Hes not in here, He's very spammy |
| 15:25.22 | jnwhiteh | Nobgul: lua)_bot is mine |
| 15:25.35 | jnwhiteh | msoul: Hrm.. I should be able to get 23 quests from the airship? |
| 15:25.37 | jnwhiteh | i have.. 7 |
| 15:25.38 | Nobgul | jnwhiteh, Yes i corrected myself. =) |
| 15:25.43 | jnwhiteh | so I suspect I need to pursue these lines? |
| 15:25.44 | *** join/#wowuidev nobgul_ (nobgul@edge.sh3lls.net) |
| 15:25.47 | msoul | jnwhiteh: No not 23 |
| 15:25.47 | sylvanaar_work | purl, who is your owner |
| 15:25.48 | purl | it has been said that your owner is me |
| 15:25.52 | sylvanaar_work | lol |
| 15:25.54 | jnwhiteh | sylvanaar_work: timriker is his own |
| 15:25.56 | jnwhiteh | why? |
| 15:26.02 | Mirrormn | knwhiteh: the maximum number of quests you can turn in on the airship at once is 17 |
| 15:26.05 | msoul | jnwhiteh: there is like 5 dailies from there only |
| 15:26.17 | msoul | if you're doing dailies and some quests that I didn't pick cause I did others |
| 15:26.23 | sylvanaar_work | just curious |
| 15:26.25 | Adys | Mirrormn: er, are you including non-dailies? |
| 15:26.29 | Mirrormn | yes |
| 15:26.33 | msoul | jnwhiteh: I am doing just the dailies |
| 15:26.36 | nevcairiel | wowhead has a graph of the quest flow |
| 15:26.41 | Mirrormn | indeed |
| 15:26.42 | nevcairiel | in the comments |
| 15:26.42 | jnwhiteh | and there's 17 you can do there |
| 15:26.43 | jnwhiteh | jeepers |
| 15:26.45 | Jamash | msoul: your mom is a daily |
| 15:26.55 | Adys | jnwhiteh: there are 13 dailies from the airship, including one that requires you to be flagged pvp while you have it |
| 15:26.55 | jnwhiteh | if I do them all, and just don't do the dailies |
| 15:26.58 | jnwhiteh | that should get me a bunch? |
| 15:27.06 | Mirrormn | one of the dailies is bugged |
| 15:27.08 | msoul | I think so |
| 15:27.09 | Mirrormn | I'm not counting that one |
| 15:27.10 | jnwhiteh | k |
| 15:27.12 | jnwhiteh | then I'll do that |
| 15:27.15 | jnwhiteh | that and tourney |
| 15:27.18 | jnwhiteh | should be a good chunk |
| 15:27.21 | nevcairiel | i managed to do all dailys, didnt do the pvp one |
| 15:27.22 | msoul | jnwhiteh: what I did is WG/ship/tournament in icc then stormpeaks |
| 15:27.25 | Nobgul | jnwhiteh, Still working on the gold issue? |
| 15:27.26 | Adys | jnwhiteh: theres really no need; if you get all the tournament quests and all the airship quests, you have 23 quests |
| 15:27.31 | jnwhiteh | k |
| 15:27.39 | Jamash | are you going for realm first? |
| 15:27.41 | jnwhiteh | Nobgul: no, this is for xp |
| 15:27.41 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 15:27.42 | angayelle | did the weekly jnwhiteh ? |
| 15:27.45 | jnwhiteh | just want a head start |
| 15:27.46 | Nobgul | Ah ok |
| 15:27.48 | Jamash | bah |
| 15:27.48 | jnwhiteh | angayelle: not yet, no |
| 15:27.53 | Jamash | slow down, take your time |
| 15:27.53 | Mirrormn | tournament quests are neat if you have a tournament tabard |
| 15:27.54 | jnwhiteh | i'm gone on the 14th |
| 15:27.57 | jnwhiteh | want 85 before then |
| 15:28.02 | Nobgul | ~google wowinterface |
| 15:28.05 | nevcairiel | today is the 6th |
| 15:28.09 | nevcairiel | you'll manage |
| 15:28.10 | Nobgul | ~date |
| 15:28.10 | purl | It is now 2010.12.06 15:28:10 GMT |
| 15:28.11 | jnwhiteh | i didn't buy the tourney tabard yet |
| 15:28.14 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: I'm busy in the meantime :P |
| 15:28.18 | Jamash | GMT is obsolete |
| 15:28.24 | Mirrormn | jnwhiteh, teach us how to make a ~google command for lua_bot |
| 15:28.26 | Jamash | purl should use UTC |
| 15:28.32 | jnwhiteh | no? |
| 15:28.33 | msoul | I didn't buy it digitally even still |
| 15:28.37 | Adys | http://www.pastethat.com/media/files/2010/12/06/sweet.jpg |
| 15:28.37 | Mirrormn | I said do it :( |
| 15:28.37 | Adys | :D |
| 15:28.40 | msoul | was asking adys about it |
| 15:28.47 | Jamash | !google wowinterface |
| 15:28.48 | batbot | Jamash: WoWInterface - Find World of Warcraft AddOns! <http://www.wowinterface.com/> |
| 15:28.57 | msoul | I just didn't get the trick to be able to play once it's 12 am |
| 15:29.04 | nevcairiel | Adys: you did the quests of the crashed fellows, those dont count for airship! |
| 15:29.13 | Adys | they're very close |
| 15:29.20 | msoul | do dailies only :X |
| 15:29.28 | Jamash | Who's Stevie Van Wassenhove? |
| 15:29.39 | Mirrormn | they're not *that* close to be honest |
| 15:29.56 | Adys | Jamash: your mom |
| 15:29.56 | Mirrormn | iirc it takes about 20-40 seconds to fly there, depending on where the airship is |
| 15:29.58 | nevcairiel | i have 2 quests in dalaran, mostly because i sitll had the halion kill quest open |
| 15:30.08 | Adys | gee |
| 15:30.08 | nevcairiel | and its more xp then any daily |
| 15:30.10 | Mirrormn | http://i.min.us/icVhri.jpg there's mine :) |
| 15:30.13 | nebula169 | still think that's silly |
| 15:30.18 | msoul | nevcairiel: nice |
| 15:30.27 | Adys | 20-40 seconds for like 45k xp |
| 15:30.30 | Adys | thats... horrible |
| 15:30.32 | Jamash | you people are weird |
| 15:30.51 | msoul | I will be in stormpeak then use wormhole to icc then fly to ship.. dalaran turn in dailies then org |
| 15:30.53 | sylvanaar_work | "you people"? |
| 15:30.55 | Kraps | http://us.media.blizzard.com/wow/media/comics//comic-2009-06-driggon-full.jpg |
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| 15:30.57 | Mirrormn | well if it's a choice between doing those two and not doing anything then sure you do those two |
| 15:30.59 | msoul | and last will move to deepholm |
| 15:31.29 | Jamash | sylvanaar_work: people who are trying to skip as much new content as possible by turning in 25 quests at midnight |
| 15:31.29 | nebula169 | eh? deepholm is 82 |
| 15:31.36 | nevcairiel | you cant go to deepholme right away |
| 15:31.42 | msoul | whatever zone it was |
| 15:31.43 | Mirrormn | I instead chose to get two 31k xp quests to turn in to Tirion |
| 15:31.45 | nevcairiel | you need to be 81 to enter the place, 82 for the breadcrumb quest |
| 15:31.45 | msoul | not vashjir |
| 15:31.49 | msoul | the other one |
| 15:31.51 | msoul | sigh |
| 15:31.52 | Mirrormn | (dalaran to Tirion is 40-45 second flight) |
| 15:31.58 | Jamash | Hyjal |
| 15:32.13 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 15:32.13 | msoul | not hyjal vashjir then |
| 15:32.18 | nevcairiel | Jamash: we're not skipping content, just shortening the way to 85 |
| 15:32.20 | msoul | some was saying hyjal will be crowded |
| 15:32.29 | Mirrormn | oh we're definitely skipping content |
| 15:32.31 | nevcairiel | i'll still do every single quest |
| 15:32.40 | nebula169 | you can get into deepholm before you get the breadcrumb? how do you get to the maelstrom without the shrine port? |
| 15:32.42 | nevcairiel | i'll just be 85 longer at the end |
| 15:33.00 | Mirrormn | nev: you're going to do both starting zones? |
| 15:33.00 | msoul | brb |
| 15:33.05 | xqo | breadcrumb? |
| 15:33.18 | nebula169 | command board quest |
| 15:33.19 | nevcairiel | Mirrormn: if not right away, then at least once i'm finished with the others |
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| 15:33.37 | Mirrormn | hmmm |
| 15:33.49 | nebula169 | sends you to the far-seer who sends you to thrall in the maelstrom |
| 15:33.50 | Mirrormn | Nob-bot, part #wowuidev |
| 15:34.21 | Mirrormn | bots have no respect for me :( |
| 15:34.22 | Nobgul | It's not set to take public commands soz |
| 15:34.28 | Nobgul | !google wowinterface.com |
| 15:34.29 | batbot | Nobgul: WoWInterface - Find World of Warcraft AddOns! <http://www.wowinterface.com/> |
| 15:34.34 | Nobgul | 0_o |
| 15:34.35 | sylvanaar_work | purl will |
| 15:35.38 | Nobgul | Purl is written in lua I think/ |
| 15:35.41 | Nobgul | think. |
| 15:35.44 | Lopeppeppy | purl will take *some* public commands. |
| 15:35.54 | nevcairiel | purl is not in lua |
| 15:36.01 | nebula169 | purl is just infobot, no? |
| 15:36.03 | Nobgul | jnwhiteh, Ping |
| 15:36.04 | Jamash | I'm going to pick up Archeology and level to 85 with only gathering xp |
| 15:36.08 | Nobgul | No its lua |
| 15:36.08 | jnwhiteh | Nobgul: pong? |
| 15:36.14 | nevcairiel | purl, what are you |
| 15:36.15 | purl | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 15:36.18 | Nobgul | is purl written in lua? |
| 15:36.24 | Nobgul | Thought you had said it was. |
| 15:36.25 | Jamash | ~blootbot |
| 15:36.25 | purl | i heard blootbot is an IRC bot written in perl descended from infobot. Hosted on SF. This project is now merged back into the main infobot project. See [infobot] |
| 15:36.30 | Nobgul | hrmm |
| 15:36.34 | nevcairiel | not lua ^ |
| 15:36.43 | Nobgul | I stand corrected for the 3rd time today =P |
| 15:37.33 | Mirrormn | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvQ8PzBrHXE&t=4m00s this makes me sad :( |
| 15:37.38 | Jamash | so I picked up the Mastery buff food recipe without looking at the actual name of the item |
| 15:37.43 | Mirrormn | and yet it also makes me want to buy them |
| 15:37.57 | Adys | Mirrormn: why? |
| 15:38.25 | Jamash | and then I opened my cooking later that day and found a disembodied eyeball staring at me |
| 15:38.33 | Lopeppeppy | Mmmm, eyeballs. |
| 15:38.34 | Mirrormn | why does it make me sad or why do I want to buy some? |
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| 15:38.52 | Adys | why does it make you sad |
| 15:39.18 | jnwhiteh | Nobgul: purl isn't mine.. lua_bot is.. and lua_bot is written in lua |
| 15:39.20 | jnwhiteh | purl is written in perl |
| 15:39.25 | Mirrormn | cause I don't like it when things are intentionally degraded to hit different price points |
| 15:39.47 | Mirrormn | seems like cheating somehow |
| 15:39.49 | Adys | solution: buy creative :p |
| 15:40.04 | Mirrormn | solution: buy them anyway and de-degrade them =S |
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| 15:47.16 | Cide | prolog is pretty cool |
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| 15:51.16 | crazedfred | out of (morbid) curiosity, what are the various limits on SavedVariables? I've heard that Auctioneer can run up against them... |
| 15:56.17 | Nobgul | crazedfred, Umm |
| 15:56.20 | Mirrormn | I hate prolog -.- |
| 15:56.24 | Nobgul | Alot? |
| 15:56.24 | Cide | why? |
| 15:56.35 | crazedfred | Randomly curious, no big deal |
| 15:56.56 | Mirrormn | probably because of the assignments I had to code with it in my last year of college |
| 15:57.29 | Nobgul | Umm alot |
| 15:57.39 | crazedfred | heh :) |
| 15:58.38 | Mirrormn | I tried to implement some rather complicated procedural algorithms in prolog's declarative environment and it was not pretty in the end |
| 15:59.26 | Mirrormn | and the whole time all I could think was "this would be 100 times easier if I could do this in a real programming language and just use a depth-first search when necessary" |
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| 16:00.21 | crazedfred | From Wikipedia on Prolog: "An atom is a general-purpose name with no inherent meaning. Examples of atoms include x, blue, 'Taco', and 'some atom'." |
| 16:00.24 | crazedfred | I pity you :( |
| 16:00.28 | Nobgul | crazedfred, 25 megs |
| 16:00.35 | crazedfred | Nobgul: cool, thanks :) |
| 16:00.43 | Nobgul | Np |
| 16:00.44 | Mirrormn | I mean, prolog is interesting in concept |
| 16:00.56 | Mirrormn | but it seemed ill-suited for doing anything substantive, to me |
| 16:01.05 | Nobgul | err aparently that is the critical limit, but they can go larger 0_o |
| 16:01.13 | Cide | I did a model checker in it just now |
| 16:01.15 | crazedfred | lol |
| 16:01.23 | Nobgul | The limitation is 2^18 constants. A constant is defined as either a key or a value on the table. ["foo"] = "bar", would be two constants. |
| 16:01.24 | crazedfred | Nobgul: of course it would be non-intuitive and strange |
| 16:01.38 | Nobgul | Have fun with the math lol |
| 16:01.41 | crazedfred | lol |
| 16:01.43 | Cide | and it was pretty much a straight copy and paste from the mathematical definition |
| 16:01.50 | Cide | and it worked on the first run |
| 16:01.57 | Cide | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:02.09 | nevcairiel | isnt that what prolog is really meant to be for :d |
| 16:02.34 | crazedfred | I had a silly idea (that I would NEVER follow through with) that since Lua is really easygoing with data types, you could store functions as strings if you wanted to and eval them, thus leading to all sorts of hilarity |
| 16:02.46 | Nobgul | 0_O |
| 16:02.52 | nevcairiel | there are some cases where thats useful |
| 16:02.52 | Lopeppeppy | Hilarity is frowned upon. |
| 16:03.00 | Lopeppeppy | We at the FBI do not have a sense of humor that we are aware of. |
| 16:03.25 | crazedfred | Lopeppeppy: sorry, sorry |
| 16:04.20 | Cide | nevcairiel: yeah, it's for my class in logic |
| 16:04.21 | Nobgul | Lopeppeppy, if your interested in large savedvars you may be interested in SSS. you can find it here. http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info16350-SSS.html |
| 16:04.25 | alestane | Laughter is forbidden and smiling is permitted only on alternate Thursdays. |
| 16:04.29 | Cide | so naturally it falls out quite.. naturally |
| 16:04.30 | Nobgul | oopps ment that for crazedfred |
| 16:04.33 | Nobgul | crazedfred, http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info16350-SSS.html |
| 16:04.44 | crazedfred | Nobgul: if you want to really be weirded out.... the full idea was to store critical code in strings + a stub addon to load it = addons that could message other players to auto-update. Add public-key signing and you have an app store XD |
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| 16:04.52 | crazedfred | Nobgul: only that would be a terrible idea, was just musing :P |
| 16:05.13 | Lopeppeppy | Nobgul... no way! |
| 16:05.15 | Nobgul | crazedfred, SSS is a nice addon to check out =) |
| 16:05.21 | crazedfred | Nobgul: reading now |
| 16:05.26 | crazedfred | lol |
| 16:05.29 | Nobgul | Lopeppeppy, soz =P |
| 16:05.59 | crazedfred | Nobgul: I suppose my "app store" idea would have been a good April Fool's joke as well lol |
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| 16:06.22 | Nobgul | crazedfred, =) |
| 16:06.29 | Amarande | ok, latest trade rumor is that titles like KS/Bane/LoD etc. are being made unavailable as of tomorrow |
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| 16:06.32 | Amarande | truth, or rumor? |
| 16:06.48 | Nobgul | Amarande, Alot of my guilds seem to think so |
| 16:06.55 | crazedfred | believe everything you hear in trade! ALWAYS |
| 16:06.56 | Amarande | has there been any blue announcement? |
| 16:07.04 | Nobgul | Amarande, Not that i have found |
| 16:07.18 | olafski | I'm sure if that were the case they would've said it |
| 16:07.45 | smcn | what's up? |
| 16:07.52 | angayelle | crazedfred, you knwo what i thought about it this morning while changing my baby's diaper but the two were completely unrelated |
| 16:09.28 | crazedfred | angayelle: ... what? |
| 16:09.41 | Cide | so CT = cataclysm |
| 16:09.42 | Cide | nvm |
| 16:09.46 | Mirrormn | no no no |
| 16:09.54 | Mirrormn | the proper abreviation is "the clysm" |
| 16:09.55 | smcn | don't shake the baby! |
| 16:10.04 | sylvanaar_work | omg kill Mirrormn |
| 16:10.05 | crazedfred | cata = cata = cataaaaaa |
| 16:10.06 | angayelle | i had the exact same idea this morning : updating code using savedvariables |
| 16:10.15 | Cide | you are an idiot Mirrormn |
| 16:10.16 | Mirrormn | and pay no attention to the fact that "the clysm" has the same number of characters as "cataclysm" |
| 16:10.17 | smcn | Mirrormn: da clysm |
| 16:10.21 | crazedfred | angayelle: ah, lol, wouldn't it be SWEET? |
| 16:10.36 | smcn | word to da clysm |
| 16:10.50 | Mirrormn | updating code using savevariables? what does that mean? |
| 16:10.52 | crazedfred | angayelle: implement the world's shittiest BitTorrent protocol over SendAddonMsg, and use a silly stub addon to manage and load the function-strings :P |
| 16:11.01 | Mirrormn | ah |
| 16:11.01 | crazedfred | Mirrormn: it means we've gone insane, leave us be |
| 16:11.05 | angayelle | it would, the only thing that would cause problems is that i'm not sure a string could use as code |
| 16:11.10 | Mirrormn | yeah, I see that |
| 16:11.15 | crazedfred | Mirrormn: lol |
| 16:11.16 | Mirrormn | strings can be used as code |
| 16:11.26 | angayelle | then you're good to go |
| 16:11.27 | Mirrormn | that's kind of one of the main points of lua |
| 16:11.28 | Lulia | Hmm, so is it not possible to change a frame type once it's been set? I haven't really used frame recycling yet, but I'd like to get in the habit of it, but, obviously, I wouldn't want to use a button frame if I wanted the frame to just be, say, an ordinary frame type. |
| 16:11.40 | crazedfred | yea, it would only work for small addons w/o custom textures, since the saved variables is around 25 MB |
| 16:11.52 | crazedfred | and that would include saved settings, so ditch auctioneer etc |
| 16:12.07 | Mirrormn | it's all about loadstring |
| 16:12.08 | Mirrormn | woo |
| 16:12.11 | crazedfred | lol |
| 16:12.47 | crazedfred | if you implemented a standard object people could extend (an addon object with a run function) it might just work. but again, the limitations would be ridiculous |
| 16:12.48 | Mirrormn | I mean, you could so it |
| 16:12.51 | Mirrormn | and it would be cool |
| 16:12.51 | crazedfred | right |
| 16:12.53 | Cide | Lulia: don't stress about it so much |
| 16:12.57 | Nobgul | crazedfred, Have you looked at cog|away's stuff? |
| 16:13.08 | crazedfred | Nobgul: neg, I am aware of some of his addons though |
| 16:13.23 | Nobgul | Err whats the name of it err. |
| 16:13.39 | Mirrormn | err err |
| 16:13.47 | crazedfred | Mirrormn: I wonder if it might even work for small addons, imagine a Bagnon that updated itself when any of your friends / guildies got a newer version |
| 16:13.48 | Nobgul | http://cogwheel.info/wow/McRun.html |
| 16:13.53 | Nobgul | crazedfred, ^^ |
| 16:14.04 | crazedfred | lol |
| 16:14.13 | Mirrormn | that's only somewhat related |
| 16:14.15 | Mirrormn | but still fun |
| 16:14.37 | crazedfred | the "McRun" is an appropriate name |
| 16:14.53 | crazedfred | though that system is replaceable with DropBox or a $10 jumpdrive :( |
| 16:15.07 | crazedfred | lol, AutoMcRun |
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| 16:16.13 | crazedfred | also, clearly you'd need to implement 7z compression in Lua, and then compress addon-function strings before saving/sending them :P much more space! |
| 16:16.38 | Mirrormn | that would be really weird |
| 16:16.43 | crazedfred | lol |
| 16:16.47 | Mirrormn | to save addons in a compressed state |
| 16:16.53 | Mirrormn | in savedvariables |
| 16:16.55 | jnwhiteh | 7z already done |
| 16:16.57 | jnwhiteh | been done for a long time :P |
| 16:16.59 | crazedfred | rofl >< |
| 16:17.09 | crazedfred | I am both surprised and not surprised at all |
| 16:17.22 | crazedfred | the libCompress I saw only had Huffman and something else |
| 16:17.24 | Mirrormn | LibCompress |
| 16:18.00 | crazedfred | Ah, yea I misread |
| 16:18.15 | Amarande | meanwhile, on a rather off topic thing, why the hell does LOTRO on Windows 7 have to reinstall DirectX *every time I run it*? |
| 16:18.15 | crazedfred | LZW = LZMA? |
| 16:18.47 | msoul | k once more! if I buy cataclysm digitally "i know thought of going to the retail shop early morning and have a good time sleep! what was I thinking" the d/l file is about 1gb ? |
| 16:19.02 | angayelle | aye 1 gb |
| 16:19.03 | Lopeppeppy | What? |
| 16:19.04 | msoul | then once it's 12 I'll be downloading the rest while playing? |
| 16:19.08 | Lopeppeppy | Was that sentence in English? |
| 16:19.26 | msoul | Lopeppeppy: are you talking about me? |
| 16:19.39 | Nobgul | msoul, Yes |
| 16:19.43 | Nobgul | On both counts lol |
| 16:19.46 | crazedfred | Mirrormn: tempted to do this now... |
| 16:19.49 | msoul | heh |
| 16:19.51 | Lopeppeppy | Yes. That sentence seriously did not make sense to me, at all. |
| 16:19.52 | angayelle | no if you buy digitily you dl righ now or you hack the config and and launcher file to dl right now with buying it |
| 16:19.53 | Nobgul | I think my inital cata download was roughly 200 meg. |
| 16:19.57 | Mirrormn | I am too |
| 16:20.02 | msoul | it isn't my native language that's 1 and 2 I speak 3 diff languages really |
| 16:20.18 | Nobgul | msoul, What is your nativ language? |
| 16:20.18 | Computerpunk | msoul, sec. |
| 16:20.20 | msoul | so I don't know why a person would mock another person for not speaking English the way he/she/it does |
| 16:20.39 | Computerpunk | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/saydigitalupgrade.aspx |
| 16:20.40 | Computerpunk | here |
| 16:20.40 | Amarande | What exactly does buying Cata require you to install on top of 4.0.3a though? Didn't 4.0.3a include all the world updates for cata? |
| 16:20.41 | msoul | Nobgul: I'm Arabic, I speak Finnish and english as the other 2 and a little swedish that I don't count |
| 16:20.54 | angayelle | http://wow.joystiq.com/2010/10/29/want-to-preload-cataclysm-without-pre-ordering-heres-how/ msoul |
| 16:20.58 | Computerpunk | Amarande, probably unlocking 81-85 content, although it's already loaded. |
| 16:21.05 | msoul | angayelle: Thank you |
| 16:21.07 | Nobgul | msoul there is a command i can give you to run in wow to flag your account as cata if you want |
| 16:21.09 | sioraiocht | msoul: are you in finland, now, then? |
| 16:21.13 | Computerpunk | man, angayelle http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/saydigitalupgrade.aspx |
| 16:21.14 | Computerpunk | l2p |
| 16:21.21 | msoul | Nobgul: would be lovely |
| 16:21.29 | Amarande | And do I need to actually do anything with the Cata disc when I get the CE and enter my key, or will it autodownload the upgrade patch anyway when it detects my account has it activated? |
| 16:21.46 | Nobgul | do /console SET accountType "CT" |
| 16:21.48 | msoul | sioraiocht: Yes, been here since 99 and married with a Finn woman and have a child |
| 16:21.56 | sioraiocht | cool! |
| 16:22.05 | msoul | Lopeppeppy: was that good enough for you sir? |
| 16:22.12 | sioraiocht | jnwhiteh and i are coming to Finland next month to visit mikma and his wife |
| 16:22.14 | msoul | or need I say more so you don't feel like mocking me again? |
| 16:22.25 | Nobgul | Missa olet syntynyt? |
| 16:22.28 | msoul | sioraiocht: oh cool! :-) what city |
| 16:22.38 | msoul | kuwaitissa |
| 16:22.46 | sioraiocht | Lempäälä |
| 16:23.05 | msoul | muutin suomeen 1999 |
| 16:23.20 | msoul | sioraiocht: can't read the letter but I guessed ;-) |
| 16:23.25 | Nobgul | ah nice |
| 16:23.31 | Nobgul | That was a good year =P |
| 16:23.37 | msoul | hehe |
| 16:23.43 | msoul | you from .fi? |
| 16:23.50 | Nobgul | USA |
| 16:23.54 | msoul | ah |
| 16:24.25 | Nobgul | Rakastan ki\elia. |
| 16:24.29 | Nobgul | 0_o |
| 16:24.33 | msoul | lol |
| 16:24.34 | Nobgul | dont mind the \ lol |
| 16:24.37 | sioraiocht | msoul: use UTF-8! =p |
| 16:24.39 | Nobgul | fat fingers |
| 16:24.41 | msoul | it's the second hardest language after chineese |
| 16:24.53 | Ketho | chinese is easy xD |
| 16:24.58 | Nobgul | 0_o |
| 16:25.02 | Nobgul | Ketho, Is here! |
| 16:25.07 | Nobgul | Nice combat log =) |
| 16:25.10 | msoul | sioraiocht: yeah will epic doesn't support that |
| 16:25.16 | sioraiocht | :( |
| 16:25.30 | msoul | actually I could double check and ask |
| 16:25.38 | msoul | as it's the one channel I hang out on efnet :-) |
| 16:25.48 | msoul | ircII EPIC5-1.1.2 :: Intrepid-0.6.0 by BlackJac |
| 16:25.55 | msoul | is what I use for ircing |
| 16:26.24 | Nobgul | Ketho |
| 16:26.36 | msoul | what's that |
| 16:26.51 | msoul | if you meant to say "kiitos" which I doubt it means thanks/thankyou :P |
| 16:26.52 | Nobgul | A person lol |
| 16:26.57 | msoul | hehe |
| 16:27.04 | mikma | sioraiocht: funland! |
| 16:27.08 | Nobgul | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info18901-KethoCombatLog.html |
| 16:27.12 | Nobgul | ^^ |
| 16:27.27 | msoul | and I still didn't check that link |
| 16:27.36 | Nobgul | which one the mcrun one? |
| 16:27.37 | msoul | my wife is making christmas pie if I may say |
| 16:27.52 | msoul | and I <3 food :x |
| 16:27.56 | Nobgul | hehe |
| 16:28.03 | msoul | the way that homer does |
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| 16:28.33 | msoul | sioraiocht: wear double jackets btw |
| 16:28.34 | Nobgul | Homer tykkaa Duff |
| 16:28.36 | msoul | freaggin' cold |
| 16:28.43 | msoul | especially where you're heading |
| 16:28.54 | msoul | Nobgul: aivan! |
| 16:29.07 | Nobgul | hehe |
| 16:29.09 | msoul | learning Finnish was one of the hardest things |
| 16:29.10 | Adys | is there an innkeeper in moonglade? |
| 16:29.18 | Nobgul | Yes 2 of them |
| 16:29.21 | Nobgul | and 2 flight guys |
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| 16:29.35 | Adys | where? :P |
| 16:29.39 | msoul | swedish is a lot easier |
| 16:29.39 | Nobgul | msoul, have you looked at russian. Meeh |
| 16:29.43 | msoul | were I live now |
| 16:29.53 | msoul | Nobgul: I used to ask my russian friends to teach me |
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| 16:29.59 | msoul | I still remember some of their alphabet |
| 16:30.12 | Nobgul | ugh |
| 16:30.15 | msoul | and how to say I speak a little russian etc |
| 16:30.16 | Nobgul | privet kak delah |
| 16:30.23 | msoul | :X |
| 16:30.29 | msoul | Swedish is a lot easier than both |
| 16:30.31 | Nobgul | kak vas zavoot. |
| 16:30.35 | msoul | Finnish/Russian |
| 16:30.47 | Nobgul | Meeh |
| 16:30.48 | msoul | let me give you a funny example |
| 16:30.52 | msoul | if you go everywhere |
| 16:31.16 | msoul | phone is a phone in almost every languahe |
| 16:31.26 | msoul | we say puhelin :/ |
| 16:31.44 | msoul | telephone |
| 16:31.58 | Nobgul | msoul, ill tell u a funny story when your back lol |
| 16:32.34 | msoul | and your name changes i.e. Nobgul-lle or Nobgul-lla and many more |
| 16:32.58 | msoul | the diff between the two if someone ask who has my phone you pick the first one if someone ask give it to him you choose the latter |
| 16:33.05 | msoul | I'm here :-) |
| 16:33.20 | Nobgul | msoul, I worked for a foreign exchange agency for several years. We had a finnish group come over, for the 4 month j1 visa program. |
| 16:33.54 | Nobgul | 1 sec customer |
| 16:35.05 | Nobgul | Anyway he was working at at "fun center" and was working the race cart section. Well he was working with a guy from err spain, So the guy kept telling him to go get another moto, at the end of the day the guy asked me why did the guy use bad words all day. |
| 16:35.24 | Nobgul | Aparently molo in finnish means something not really nice =P |
| 16:35.37 | Nobgul | molopaa i think is the full "term" |
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| 16:35.58 | Lulia | Maybe it's their equiv of "asshole" |
| 16:36.01 | Nobgul | dickhead |
| 16:36.06 | Nobgul | hehe |
| 16:36.07 | Lulia | ah |
| 16:36.14 | Lulia | Other side of the body |
| 16:36.28 | Nobgul | so the whole day the guy though that the other guy was saying " You go dick" |
| 16:36.33 | msoul | haha |
| 16:36.37 | msoul | you know what it means? |
| 16:36.39 | msoul | dickhead |
| 16:36.41 | Nobgul | dickhead |
| 16:36.44 | Nobgul | yer |
| 16:36.46 | msoul | haha |
| 16:36.53 | msoul | priceless |
| 16:37.15 | msoul | well |
| 16:37.22 | msoul | I had a problem years ago |
| 16:37.30 | Nobgul | paska |
| 16:37.31 | Nobgul | 0_o |
| 16:37.40 | msoul | some use english words to express themselves but in a Finnish way |
| 16:37.54 | Nobgul | yea i find that alot |
| 16:38.02 | Nobgul | A mixture of both. |
| 16:38.04 | alestane | What does "perkele" actually mean in Finnish? I gather it's invective. |
| 16:38.15 | msoul | so I needed some legal advice and the lawyer was saying titteli and all I hear is pippeli |
| 16:38.20 | msoul | and the latter means dick |
| 16:38.45 | msoul | and he kept saying titteli "title in english" but all I hear is pippeli |
| 16:39.08 | Nobgul | I found when learning languages and having people teach me I found that you never take them for thier word, When i first learnt finnish the guy told me that Vittu means hello. So i must have told 30 females that until, 1 very butch female corrected me. |
| 16:39.09 | msoul | and you know when you move to a country you always learn how to curse etc :/ |
| 16:39.21 | msoul | haha |
| 16:39.25 | msoul | HAHA |
| 16:39.36 | msoul | my friends taught me to say show me your tits |
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| 16:39.56 | msoul | vittu and the like was when I went to see a hocket game the 3rd day or so |
| 16:40.01 | Nobgul | Nayta minulle rinnat |
| 16:40.02 | msoul | hockey even |
| 16:40.09 | msoul | or just nayta tissit :P |
| 16:40.12 | Nobgul | lol |
| 16:40.21 | Fisker | what the fuuuuuuuuuck jnwhiteh ? |
| 16:40.23 | Nobgul | I have a hard time with grammer. |
| 16:40.25 | msoul | that was horrible :X |
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| 16:40.33 | Nobgul | I am always switching words around |
| 16:40.54 | Nobgul | It is good enough for people to understand me. But sometimes it is critical. |
| 16:40.58 | mikma | msoul: näytä tissit |
| 16:41.09 | Nobgul | When i tell someone new to mop the toilet. |
| 16:41.16 | Nobgul | or sweep the desk |
| 16:41.19 | msoul | mikma I can't reat the 3 swe letters though but I guessed :P |
| 16:41.24 | Nobgul | lol |
| 16:41.31 | msoul | mulla ei oo |
| 16:41.32 | msoul | ! |
| 16:42.04 | msoul | mikma: missa asut |
| 16:42.05 | Nobgul | do nto have what? |
| 16:42.08 | Nobgul | the same issue? |
| 16:42.17 | msoul | Nobgul: the 3 swedish letters |
| 16:42.25 | Nobgul | ah ok |
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| 16:42.47 | msoul | I live where swe is used as much as fi lang |
| 16:43.03 | Nobgul | Asun kainaloon ja Yhdysvalloissa. New Jersey |
| 16:43.10 | msoul | if not more... it's a big + if you speak swe in this region |
| 16:43.15 | Fisker | jnwhiteh |
| 16:43.15 | Nobgul | That one may be wrong. Its a bit complex |
| 16:43.20 | Fisker | you know what i'm going to make you do now |
| 16:43.29 | msoul | Nobgul: hehe |
| 16:43.41 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 16:43.43 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: shit specs |
| 16:43.49 | mikma | nobgul: kainaloon? |
| 16:43.52 | msoul | yayks the pie is ready, brb! |
| 16:44.04 | Nobgul | lol |
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| 16:44.34 | Nobgul | mikma. Its what most of the country calls this state. |
| 16:44.35 | Fisker | yeah jnwhiteh kinda QQ over no dual-core |
| 16:44.49 | mikma | nobgul: kainaloon?? |
| 16:44.55 | Fisker | especially with all those rumors |
| 16:44.58 | mikma | nobgul: armpit? |
| 16:44.59 | msoul | mikma: my wife made joulutorttu |
| 16:45.04 | msoul | hot from the oven! |
| 16:45.12 | Nobgul | mikma, Yes |
| 16:45.21 | mikma | msoul: i hope you get some joulutorttu from your wife, too ;) |
| 16:45.27 | msoul | haha |
| 16:45.38 | Lopeppeppy | You have such good friends. |
| 16:45.55 | msoul | naughty boy mikma |
| 16:46.20 | Amarande | Yoshimo! I thought you died in Spellhold. :) |
| 16:47.27 | Nobgul | 0_o |
| 16:47.33 | Yoshimo | well the usual connection people make with my name, is the small green dragon, and then they ask "where is mario?" |
| 16:47.42 | Nobgul | lol |
| 16:48.02 | Nobgul | its a baulders gate name as well |
| 16:48.05 | Nobgul | i think |
| 16:48.14 | Amarande | Nobgul: Yeah. From BG2. |
| 16:48.22 | Amarande | And you can't keep him past Chapter 4 no matter what you do. |
| 16:48.24 | Yoshimo | i admit, i play that character in the various nintendo games like supersmashbrothers, but just for fun ;) |
| 16:48.55 | Nobgul | Yoshimo, Do you use that Nick online as well? |
| 16:49.42 | Yoshimo | not really, but my realname is quite similiar |
| 16:50.36 | Nobgul | 0-O |
| 16:50.40 | Nobgul | Interesting |
| 16:51.38 | Nobgul | I found you. |
| 16:51.40 | Nobgul | 0-O |
| 16:51.53 | Nobgul | I must be bored. =( |
| 16:52.08 | Lopeppeppy | stalker! |
| 16:52.18 | Nobgul | Aye. |
| 16:52.46 | Amarande | wow, I see LOTRO does something WoW apparently does not |
| 16:52.55 | Nobgul | Not have downtime? |
| 16:52.55 | TC-Work | fail? |
| 16:52.57 | Amarande | "there are multiple dynamic layers of the area you are in" and you can transfer to your group leader's layer. |
| 16:52.58 | Nobgul | lol |
| 16:53.05 | Amarande | WoW doesn't even SAY "this area is phased" |
| 16:53.21 | Nobgul | Amarande, I have been saying this for years. |
| 16:53.44 | Lulia | It would be nice if there was better tracking of phases and the ability to go back in them, even if it required and item to do so. Phasing has a lot of untapped potential. |
| 16:53.50 | Nobgul | Blizzard owns and operates it's own Time Warp. Inside this warp terms such as soon, later, become lost. |
| 16:54.42 | Amarande | Nobgul: too busy with the pelvic thrusting to remember what's really going on in the time warp? :) |
| 16:55.02 | sylvanaar_work | lol |
| 16:55.05 | sylvanaar_work | rocky horror |
| 16:55.18 | alestane | Dynamic layering is not usually quite the same as phsing. |
| 16:55.24 | Lulia | It makes me wonder how much work it takes to create separate phases, because it could be used so much more. |
| 16:55.41 | alestane | Or it's very similar technologically, but done for different reasons IIRC, Amarande. |
| 16:56.13 | alestane | Turbine does this thing where they basically create instances of a particular area so that none of them are too crowded. |
| 16:57.12 | Nobgul | alestane, That would be logical. |
| 16:57.22 | Nobgul | Esp after a upgrade patch or expansion. |
| 16:57.48 | Nobgul | Instance off zones , instead of upping drop rates and respawn timers. |
| 16:58.00 | Nobgul | Then once the mad rush is over you just uninstance it. |
| 16:58.17 | Lulia | Well |
| 16:58.27 | Lulia | You could simply have the instance based on how many people are in the area |
| 16:58.54 | Lulia | So if it ever exceed X number of people a new instance of the area is created |
| 16:59.02 | Nobgul | Lulia, Instances have to be a area that you can define. They cannot be launched based on how man people there are. |
| 16:59.11 | Nobgul | many* |
| 16:59.43 | Nobgul | Blizzard would have to do a major overhaul of the server software and the client. |
| 17:00.00 | Nobgul | the database would remain the same ish. |
| 17:00.43 | Lulia | Well, WoW's framework in general wouldn't really support it. |
| 17:00.57 | Lulia | Zones (areas) aren't conducive to instancing, since they're all part of a world |
| 17:01.22 | Nobgul | Lulia, They are accually. The |
| 17:01.42 | Nobgul | A instance can be drawn on xyz |
| 17:01.47 | Lulia | You don't get a new screen when you go into another zone, so I don't know how or where it would load you into a new instance of a zone. |
| 17:01.49 | Nobgul | "instance portal" |
| 17:02.12 | Mirrormn | seems like WoW would want to use phasing instead of instancing |
| 17:02.18 | Lulia | Yup |
| 17:02.23 | Mirrormn | well, wait |
| 17:02.24 | Mirrormn | no |
| 17:02.24 | Adys | yeah ffs |
| 17:02.28 | Nobgul | Nope |
| 17:02.36 | Adys | about damn time they remove the TBC starting zones off their stupid 530 |
| 17:02.41 | Mirrormn | phasing probably doesn't have the ability to create multiple copies |
| 17:02.43 | Nobgul | Instancing would help balance server load mroe then phasing. |
| 17:02.52 | Mirrormn | ideally you'd want something that had aspects of both |
| 17:02.56 | Adys | Nobgul: BS. |
| 17:03.08 | Nobgul | Adys, Not at all. |
| 17:03.39 | Lulia | Well, I think a really efficient handling of all the aspects is something that would, in the end, require quite a bit of re-engineering of how their world, zones, instances and phasing works. |
| 17:03.43 | Adys | Nobgul: complete BS; blizzard has the technology to hop you between servers without a loading screens (under certain conditions), there's no issue adapting it to phasing |
| 17:03.47 | Lulia | Which I don't see them doing any time soon. |
| 17:03.55 | Adys | just because they don't do it doesn't mean they cant |
| 17:04.17 | Jamash | phasing is just improved invisibility |
| 17:04.24 | Adys | no. |
| 17:04.28 | Jamash | you're all in the same place, you just can't see each other |
| 17:04.33 | Jamash | yes |
| 17:04.39 | Lulia | There's often different terrain, etc... |
| 17:04.44 | Lulia | It's not just "I don't see Y person" |
| 17:04.48 | Adys | phasing is a lot more complex than invisibility |
| 17:05.01 | Adys | blizz used invisibility as a hack to emulate phasing until wlk |
| 17:05.04 | Nobgul | layers |
| 17:05.05 | Adys | they still do in some quests and stuff |
| 17:05.08 | Jamash | that's why I said improved invisibility |
| 17:05.20 | Adys | you mean just like a computer is improved pen&paper? |
| 17:05.29 | Jamash | you are still in the same place, you are still on the same server |
| 17:05.50 | Adys | you are not always on the same server, and you are certainly not always in the same place |
| 17:05.54 | Adys | cataclysm brings terrain phasing |
| 17:06.00 | Nobgul | and Adys, Your not moved to a diffrent server btw your in a instance. |
| 17:06.19 | Jamash | the ignorance in this conversation is astounding |
| 17:06.27 | Adys | Nobgul: once again, blizzard has the technology to hotswap you between servers |
| 17:06.33 | Jamash | no they don't |
| 17:06.36 | Nobgul | no they dont |
| 17:07.06 | Nobgul | You are in a instance. Swaping between servers would require them to move data in a database. |
| 17:07.17 | Lulia | Jamash: Phasing does more than just make people invisible to one another, plain and simple. |
| 17:07.18 | Jamash | oh lord save me from these idiots |
| 17:07.18 | Mirrormn | realm != server |
| 17:07.39 | Lulia | Calling it "improved" invisibility is oversimplification. |
| 17:07.44 | Jamash | not really |
| 17:07.52 | Lulia | Yes really. |
| 17:07.55 | Mirrormn | I wanna know why you think blizzard has the technology to hotswap you between servers, though |
| 17:07.55 | Jamash | not really |
| 17:08.01 | Lulia | omg |
| 17:08.05 | Atriace | Just my two cents, but I think the ideal (although unfeasable) would be to merge all realms ointo one realm, spawn mobs proportional to the people in the immediate vicinity, and instate player/creature collision boxes. World of WARcraft not Solocraft, dangit. I want to see an army on the field when expansions are released. |
| 17:08.08 | Lulia | That's not an argument. |
| 17:08.14 | Fisker | http://kotaku.com/5706958/starcraft-developers-must-construct-additional-lawsuits <-blizzard sucks |
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| 17:08.18 | Jamash | you're not an argument |
| 17:08.19 | Lulia | If you understand it better, I believe you, but then show that you understand it better. |
| 17:08.29 | Nobgul | All I am going to say is that unless they have changed something in the last 6 or 7 months blizzard's server software is not as complex as everyone thinks. |
| 17:08.33 | Lulia | Don't call people idiots and then use "nope" "you're wrong" and "not really" to argue |
| 17:08.38 | Adys | don't bother with jamash |
| 17:08.41 | Adys | he's a trolltard |
| 17:08.47 | Adys | Mirrormn: ive seen it in action |
| 17:09.04 | Mirrormn | seen what in action? |
| 17:09.09 | Adys | hotswaps |
| 17:09.17 | Adys | namely, zone-based server balancing |
| 17:09.26 | Jamash | during the wrath beta, in the DK starting area, which is heavily phased, there were inter-phase interaction issues |
| 17:09.30 | Fisker | i hotswap all the time |
| 17:09.38 | Jamash | you could see spell effects from one phase in another phase |
| 17:09.39 | Fisker | i once hotswapped a hdd |
| 17:09.40 | Mirrormn | I understand that is the backgound concept, but what was the actual thing that your eyes perceived? |
| 17:09.53 | Jamash | Adys: No you haven't |
| 17:09.58 | Adys | Jamash, fuck off mate |
| 17:10.13 | Nobgul | =( |
| 17:10.28 | Nobgul | Can we keep is ration and civil. We don;t have to agree but we don't have to be mean either. |
| 17:10.31 | Nobgul | it* |
| 17:10.40 | Jamash | Look, if you want to pretend that blizzard has magical fairies that transport you back and forth that's fine but don't expect anyone else to buy into it. |
| 17:10.53 | Adys | I'm not being civil with someone who's telling me how large my pubic hair is |
| 17:11.13 | Jamash | I don't even understand what that means. |
| 17:11.35 | Nobgul | Well I am done then. |
| 17:11.35 | Adys | Mirrormn: I know for a fact they used it; I don't know if it made live nor if it's used anywhere. But at the time you could notice it by an entire zone getting disconnected at once while the rest of the continent was fine |
| 17:11.38 | Adys | eg. dalaran |
| 17:11.49 | Lulia | I'm not pretending that phasing is some magical new zone in its entirety. I'm saying it's not as simple as making others invisible to each other. There are other things going on as well, especially with things like Terrain phasing, etc... |
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| 17:11.57 | Nobgul | Adys, TRhats because your instanced in a zone server. |
| 17:12.06 | Nobgul | Dalarn sits on it's own server |
| 17:12.10 | angayelle | oh mirrormn you saw in 4,03a patchnotes about combustion now properly getting affected by mastery ? |
| 17:12.10 | Jamash | No it doesn't. |
| 17:12.16 | Mirrormn | Adys: you've done nothing to demonstrate that what you've said is true other than assert that it is true |
| 17:12.28 | Adys | Mirrormn: hi, read |
| 17:12.29 | Lulia | I don't pretend to know exactly how the process works, which is why I refuse to get adamant about the topic. But pretending that it just makes people invisible to one another is oversimplifying. |
| 17:12.33 | Nobgul | angayelle, They need to do something for locks. |
| 17:12.42 | Mirrormn | that doesn't mean you're wrong but it does mean that you're not making a compelling argument |
| 17:12.46 | angayelle | wut with locks now ? |
| 17:12.51 | Nobgul | lock the door? |
| 17:13.12 | Mirrormn | angayelle: I read that, but I dunno what it means |
| 17:13.16 | Jamash | Lulia: What does phasing (pre-cata) do other than create mutually-invisible sets of players and mobs? |
| 17:13.25 | Adys | Nobgul: Currently, no, dalaran doesn't sit on its own server; at some point during the wlk beta, it did, and some other specific zones did too afaik |
| 17:13.45 | Adys | and hotswap is possible otherwise you'd be getting a loading screen when zoning out at that point |
| 17:13.51 | angayelle | i thought you could tell me maybe,ehe, checking numbers right now, things have changed for sure but i can get the formula right again |
| 17:14.24 | Lulia | Jamash: Who said I was talking about pre-4.0.3? |
| 17:14.55 | Adys | Lulia: as i said don't bother arguing with Jamash |
| 17:15.11 | Lulia | In any case, even in WotLK phasing often included objects as well with its workings, which means doodads and many other environment pieces. |
| 17:15.33 | Jamash | fine, players, mobs and doodads |
| 17:15.56 | Adys | and terrain, and effects, and sounds, and, and, and |
| 17:16.03 | Lulia | But, as I said, I'm not talking pre-4.0.3 when I talk about phasing. I'm talking about the capabilities of the current system. |
| 17:16.11 | Jamash | okay |
| 17:16.22 | Adys | as Nobgul put it, phasing is like layering |
| 17:16.24 | Jamash | you're still all in the same place on the same server though |
| 17:16.34 | Lulia | I never said you weren't. |
| 17:16.35 | Adys | why the f does that matter? |
| 17:16.36 | Jamash | there's no load balancing |
| 17:16.46 | Lopeppeppy | Ogres are like onions. |
| 17:16.47 | Adys | what? |
| 17:16.48 | Nobgul | >_< |
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| 17:16.52 | Lopeppeppy | What, they're smelly? They make you cry? |
| 17:16.53 | Adys | what does that have to do with anything? |
| 17:16.59 | Lulia | Nobgul mentioned load balancing with instancing, not phasing. |
| 17:16.59 | Fisker | Sixen |
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| 17:17.00 | Fisker | hey |
| 17:17.01 | Lopeppeppy | No, OGRES have LAYERS! |
| 17:17.06 | Nobgul | lol |
| 17:17.10 | Lulia | <3 Peppy |
| 17:17.11 | Nobgul | Lopeppeppy, +1 |
| 17:17.45 | Nobgul | im going to smoke a cig after all that. |
| 17:18.09 | Adys | there's two keys to load balancing |
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| 17:18.34 | Adys | reducing the amount of data sent to each player by one server, and reducing the amount of players on one server |
| 17:18.45 | Adys | former is done automatically with phasing |
| 17:18.52 | Jamash | that's not load balancing |
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| 17:18.59 | Fisker | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxUXulxE5o0&feature=player_embedded <-the S is for shoes |
| 17:18.59 | Adys | latter CAN be done with phasing as long as one phase is set on a different server |
| 17:19.01 | Lulia | Well, I'm not going to pretend to know how load balancing works, which is why I didn't bring it up in the first place :P |
| 17:19.11 | Jamash | and phasing doesn't use multiple servers |
| 17:19.16 | Jamash | instancing does |
| 17:19.23 | Lulia | Once again, never said that either. |
| 17:19.26 | Adys | just because it doesn't doesn't mean it can't. |
| 17:19.28 | Lulia | You make a lot of assumptions, Jamash. |
| 17:19.29 | Jamash | adys did |
| 17:19.43 | Nobgul | so cata goes live at 7am est? |
| 17:19.47 | Lulia | Adys said you could switch servers without a loading screen. |
| 17:19.48 | Jamash | I'm responding to what people say, Lulia |
| 17:19.54 | Nobgul | so cata goes live at 7am est? |
| 17:20.00 | Jamash | Nobgul: no? |
| 17:20.00 | Lulia | I don't remember Adys saying that phases used different instance servers. |
| 17:20.10 | Lulia | Should be 3am EST |
| 17:20.11 | Nobgul | What time does it go live? |
| 17:20.12 | Jamash | He just said it could |
| 17:20.26 | Jamash | which is wrong |
| 17:20.31 | Nobgul | Oh nvm i guess mmo champ is west coast =P |
| 17:20.32 | Adys | ok jamash |
| 17:20.35 | Adys | paste me your shit |
| 17:20.46 | Adys | go on, paste me phasing.cpp, the whole file |
| 17:20.50 | Adys | i want to fucking see it. |
| 17:21.01 | Jamash | Adys: umadbro? |
| 17:21.13 | Adys | no but utardbro, so i respond appropriately |
| 17:21.18 | Lulia | At this point you guys should probably move your argument somewhere private >.> |
| 17:21.25 | Adys | make a compelling argument or quit bothering everyone seriously. |
| 17:21.59 | Nobgul | Please do. |
| 17:22.00 | Lulia | looks for Lopeppeppy again. |
| 17:22.17 | Nobgul | Its over with you both have your point of view. I respect both of them. |
| 17:22.26 | Lopeppeppy | "One thing I never could stand about the Lounge, all the god damned trolls." |
| 17:22.33 | Lulia | hehehe |
| 17:22.56 | Lopeppeppy | Oh look, Sarah Palin took Kate Gosselin camping. That must have been a laugh riot. |
| 17:23.21 | Lulia | Huh? O.o |
| 17:23.34 | Nobgul | 0_o |
| 17:23.39 | Nobgul | Lopeppeppy, your kidding right? |
| 17:23.52 | Lopeppeppy | Sarah Palin is an outdoors-type, hunting, etc. Kate G. is... a Barbie doll. |
| 17:23.56 | Jamash | I know that phases are all in the same place due to bugs that cause inter-phase interactions, like being in UC and seeing some of the spell effects from the Battle for the Undercity, or being in the DK starter zone and seeing frostwyrm ice blasts when in an earlier stage of the quest chain. |
| 17:23.57 | Lopeppeppy | Hilarity. |
| 17:24.11 | Nobgul | Lopeppeppy, I would have liked to be in the tent when the kids were asleep =P |
| 17:24.23 | Lopeppeppy | Like that movie, "The Parent Trap" ! |
| 17:24.24 | Lulia | Well, I know who Sarah Palin is, I don't know who Kate Gosselin is |
| 17:24.30 | Nobgul | 0_o |
| 17:24.31 | Lulia | Nor why the former would take the latter camping. |
| 17:24.35 | Nobgul | Jon and kate +8? |
| 17:24.43 | Jamash | oh, and phased players sniping herb/mining nodes from each other |
| 17:25.11 | Adys | Nobgul: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mh-Kx5g66wQ |
| 17:25.17 | Fisker | RAWWWWWWRGH |
| 17:25.36 | Nobgul | Adys, No sound atm ill watch later =P |
| 17:25.44 | Adys | you don't even need sound |
| 17:25.50 | Adys | <3 the chamber of understanding |
| 17:25.56 | Nobgul | Ah then ill take a peek |
| 17:26.00 | Mirrormn | lol Adys |
| 17:26.01 | Lopeppeppy | Nobgul, yes, the Kate from there. |
| 17:26.14 | Mirrormn | sometimes I must retire to the Chamber of Understanding |
| 17:26.38 | Nobgul | Lopeppeppy, I knwo who she is. I always hated them. anyway |
| 17:27.02 | Nobgul | lol Adys. |
| 17:28.31 | Adys | alright |
| 17:28.35 | Adys | some more sleep before cata |
| 17:28.36 | Adys | dozes off |
| 17:28.39 | Jamash | Terrain has always been handled client-side (I know this because before checks were put in, players could edit terrain/doodads client-side and do things like walk on air, walk through walls, etc) so terrain phasing substitutes one set of client-side terrain for another. |
| 17:28.45 | Nobgul | 0_O |
| 17:29.10 | Fisker | why would you sleep before cata? |
| 17:29.17 | Jamash | I'm sure the implementation details are quite intricate but the concepts are not difficult. |
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| 17:30.44 | Lulia | Welcome back, Cide |
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| 17:34.01 | Jamash | in fact, all movement is handled client side, that's how teleport/speed hacks work, and that's why charge works weirdly in pvp |
| 17:34.23 | Nobgul | >_< |
| 17:34.51 | cog|away | Lopeppeppy: your effort seems to have failed :( |
| 17:34.54 | samuelkadolph | Jamash: Can I have my dead horse back? |
| 17:35.21 | Nobgul | Lets do something construtive as a group let's write how we think it should work then we can submit it to blizzard =) |
| 17:35.36 | cog|away | sort of like a petition... |
| 17:35.37 | cog|away | :P |
| 17:35.41 | Jamash | I'm trying to be helpful |
| 17:35.44 | Lulia | I think we all have differing opinions on that, Nobgul :P |
| 17:35.49 | crazedfred | That sounds both useful AND productive! |
| 17:35.53 | Nobgul | cog|work, yea. |
| 17:36.03 | Nobgul | I ment more of write the code for them. |
| 17:36.11 | Nobgul | They can't be lazy then. |
| 17:36.37 | crazedfred | We'll kindly explain to them that if only they would release the client/server under GPL or something it would work MUCH better |
| 17:36.42 | Lulia | That would truly be quite a bit of work. |
| 17:37.08 | Nobgul | Lulia, Yes it would =) |
| 17:38.01 | crazedfred | On that note, why does ALL WoW traffic go over TCP? Surely if they converted to UDP you'd see much lower average latencies? |
| 17:38.10 | crazedfred | Or is there a reason I'm missing? |
| 17:38.15 | Legorol | nobgul: i think you would find that overcoming the performance issues when trying to move things to server side would be very very difficult |
| 17:38.21 | samuelkadolph | crazedfred: TCP is superior is almost all cases |
| 17:38.22 | Legorol | client side terrain is because of perfroamnce |
| 17:38.25 | Nobgul | Now entering Dalarn would you like troll or troll free chat. [Troll] [Troll Free] |
| 17:38.33 | Nobgul | Thats my request =P |
| 17:38.40 | crazedfred | samuelkadolph: hmm, that seems counter-intuitive to me |
| 17:38.56 | Nobgul | A toggle to hide all the people the server has flaged as trolls, based on a karma system |
| 17:38.57 | Adys | Terrain exists serverside |
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| 17:39.09 | Adys | it's in use for many teleports and other things |
| 17:39.10 | Legorol | crazedfred: an important point is that TCP has easier time traversing firewalls/NATs etc, therefore lowering support costs from people who "halp, can't connectzor" |
| 17:39.28 | samuelkadolph | Legorol: Eh, no |
| 17:39.51 | Legorol | samuelkadolph: that point also contributes |
| 17:39.56 | Adys | I, for one, really like how movement is handled in WoW |
| 17:40.02 | crazedfred | Legorol: I see. I didn't know that many people had failures with UDP. I know Mumble, for example, can take advantage of UDP when it's available and easily fall back to TCP when needed |
| 17:40.28 | zenzelezz | I TCP what you did there |
| 17:40.37 | Nobgul | lol |
| 17:40.42 | Arrowmaster | thats very complex to do |
| 17:40.50 | samuelkadolph | crazedfred: Making sure the server and the client actually get the packets is more important than cutting a few ms off |
| 17:40.55 | Nobgul | Adys, I think they need to fix the math for falling damage a bit but other then that =P |
| 17:40.57 | crazedfred | harrr harr |
| 17:41.19 | Nobgul | It's true. A droped packet is a ton of data loss |
| 17:41.26 | Nobgul | Esp for a game such as wow |
| 17:41.39 | Adys | in wow, a dropped packet is a lot more than data loss |
| 17:41.42 | crazedfred | samuelkadolph: fair enough :) I do know that almost any game-writing guide I've been reading yells at you to do UDP for anything time-critical |
| 17:41.43 | Adys | it's complete desync |
| 17:41.57 | crazedfred | just surprised to see the idustry leader not taking advantage of it |
| 17:42.03 | crazedfred | *industry |
| 17:42.11 | samuelkadolph | crazedfred: I wouldn't make a game using UDP |
| 17:42.13 | Adys | the game has a few fallbacks when a packet is dropped |
| 17:42.14 | Arrowmaster | crazedfred: mmos have are very different than fps's |
| 17:42.16 | samuelkadolph | VoIP on the other hand |
| 17:42.24 | Jamash | I wouldn't make a game using anything but UDP |
| 17:42.45 | Adys | you're not exactly a good model either |
| 17:42.55 | crazedfred | Adys: yeah I didn't think about that |
| 17:42.57 | Nobgul | Adys, Rollbacks |
| 17:43.01 | crazedfred | I was just curious |
| 17:43.05 | Adys | Nobgul: not rollbacks |
| 17:43.53 | Adys | Nobgul: client/server communication attempts a resync after like 10 seconds if a desync is detected. it rarely succeeds though |
| 17:44.04 | Adys | the problem being with the bnet encryption |
| 17:44.47 | Adys | im not sure if they still use that model, but until cata at least, the encryption was synced to the amount of packets sent/received by the client |
| 17:45.34 | Adys | Note: I'm staring at the login screen without sound/music, listening to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mh-Kx5g66wQ in the background. Watching Deathwing bob his head to that is hilarious. |
| 17:46.18 | Nobgul | lol |
| 17:46.30 | Nobgul | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FK_CKtYCRIc |
| 17:46.44 | samuelkadolph | I doubt that WoW encrypts all traffic |
| 17:46.59 | Adys | samuelkadolph: WoW encrypts packet headers |
| 17:47.19 | Adys | (once again i havent checked the state in cata) |
| 17:47.25 | crazedfred | It could easily do symmetric encryption bootstrapped by asymmetric encryption, a lot of apps do that |
| 17:47.42 | crazedfred | you get the best of security and performance with a lil extra work @ the beginning |
| 17:47.46 | Kraps | hey now forum avatars have a popup with their spec |
| 17:47.47 | samuelkadolph | It's not a question of ease it's a question of speed |
| 17:48.22 | crazedfred | samuelkadolph: symmetric encryption is very fast, fast enough for VOIP, and can be done in hardware on server-side if needed |
| 17:48.45 | Nobgul | Kraps, Where |
| 17:48.48 | Nobgul | When What |
| 17:48.48 | crazedfred | Adys: speed up the login animation by 10x then listen to this: http://setphaserstorammstien.ytmnd.com/ |
| 17:49.14 | Adys | I don't think so |
| 17:49.19 | crazedfred | lol |
| 17:49.41 | Kraps | Nobgul: avatars on the forums? |
| 17:50.34 | Nobgul | yer i ment which ones lol |
| 17:50.57 | Nobgul | nvm i reckon u mean the o forums |
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| 17:52.24 | Adys | the old forums don't exist anymore |
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| 17:52.32 | Nobgul | the new ones do |
| 17:52.38 | Nobgul | i ment official for |
| 17:52.48 | Nobgul | i was lazy |
| 17:52.52 | Fisker | wat jnwhiteh |
| 17:52.55 | Fisker | no microsd slot? |
| 17:52.57 | Fisker | >:E |
| 17:53.06 | jnwhiteh | lulz. |
| 17:53.09 | jnwhiteh | full of them |
| 17:53.21 | Fisker | :o? |
| 17:53.32 | Nobgul | Anyone know of a wireless network player? |
| 17:53.43 | Nobgul | that's good. Not some cheap pos |
| 17:53.56 | Mirrormn | wireless network player? |
| 17:54.09 | Nobgul | Yer |
| 17:54.15 | Nobgul | If thereis such a thing |
| 17:54.23 | Mirrormn | what do you mean by that? |
| 17:54.27 | Lopeppeppy | Player of what? |
| 17:54.29 | crazedfred | Nobgul: logitech runs some awesome software/hardware combos, the software part of which is open source |
| 17:54.40 | crazedfred | I'm googling but my wifi is teh fails |
| 17:55.00 | Nobgul | Well I have netflix. And also a wait illshow you |
| 17:55.03 | crazedfred | I'm assuming he means music |
| 17:55.13 | Adys | jnwhiteh: I'm going to lose this stupid race |
| 17:55.19 | samuelkadolph | Get a mini computer like http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856107072 |
| 17:55.21 | jnwhiteh | why? |
| 17:55.22 | jnwhiteh | =( |
| 17:55.29 | Adys | jnwhiteh: because i can't sleep lol |
| 17:55.38 | Fisker | sleep is for the weak |
| 17:55.44 | crazedfred | ^ |
| 17:55.56 | Mirrormn | sleep is for the week |
| 17:55.58 | Nobgul | 1 sec ill show you finding the link so you can understand =P |
| 17:56.06 | crazedfred | also ^ |
| 17:56.09 | Fisker | btw jnwhiteh |
| 17:56.09 | Mirrormn | if you're constantly sedated |
| 17:56.16 | Fisker | engadget was jerks |
| 17:56.23 | Fisker | they said gingerbread OTA was rolling out |
| 17:57.03 | Lulia | jnwhiteh: When do you hope to have the new version of TomTomLite out? |
| 17:57.09 | Fisker | also they should've let HTC design the new Nexus S instead :( |
| 17:57.21 | jnwhiteh | Lulia: I can push what I have now.. but it doesn't haev any changes |
| 17:57.24 | jnwhiteh | you could enable world map icons |
| 17:57.32 | jnwhiteh | but you already have them, as the number Blizz uses =) |
| 17:57.37 | Lulia | :P |
| 17:57.43 | Fisker | might want to wait until early january since it's rumored that we'll see some tegra phones |
| 17:57.50 | jnwhiteh | I've been holding off until I can get some other things implemented. |
| 17:58.00 | Lulia | I understand completely, jnwhiteh |
| 17:58.17 | crazedfred | Why is there a TomTomLite? Isn't TomTom pretty... Lite already? |
| 17:58.20 | jnwhiteh | just pushed my alpha stuff to curseforge |
| 17:58.22 | jnwhiteh | crazedfred: no, actually |
| 17:58.29 | jnwhiteh | not by my standards |
| 17:58.35 | jnwhiteh | lighter than the alternatives, but still no |
| 17:58.50 | jnwhiteh | I'm removing coordinate blocks/displays and just making an LDB feed |
| 17:58.54 | jnwhiteh | removing minimap waypoints (or maybe not) |
| 17:59.07 | Arrowmaster | samuelkadolph: damn thats probably the nicest barebone htpc ive seen |
| 17:59.13 | jnwhiteh | but most importantly using my own mapping API |
| 17:59.24 | jnwhiteh | so I can use the WoW API, LibMapData or Astrolabe depending on what has the best data. |
| 17:59.35 | jnwhiteh | its also absurdly clean code compared to TomTom |
| 17:59.38 | jnwhiteh | which got out of hand :P |
| 17:59.56 | crazedfred | jnwhiteh: ic |
| 18:00.15 | olafski | anyone know if SUF will automatically show the XP bar again when the level cap goes up? and whether it supports guild XP / guild rep? ;) |
| 18:00.52 | jnwhiteh | crazedfred: if you have any specific questions I can answer them |
| 18:01.09 | jnwhiteh | but the moral of the story is no more 'notes' .. |
| 18:01.20 | crazedfred | jnwhiteh: thanks |
| 18:01.42 | crazedfred | Gotcha. I've had a long break from WoW, the TomTom I remember had an arrow, an ETA aaaand that's it |
| 18:01.53 | crazedfred | Or if there were extra features I never found out about 'em |
| 18:01.59 | mikma | jnwhiteh: delta lol |
| 18:03.22 | mikma | sioraiocht: http://alk.tiehallinto.fi/alk/kelikamerat/C1850304061957.jpg SNAW! |
| 18:03.23 | crazedfred | jnwhiteh: incidentally, I believe you're the book author right? I'm up to around chapter 10, so far very well done :) |
| 18:03.31 | jnwhiteh | mikma: nomnom |
| 18:03.39 | Fisker | jnwhiteh |
| 18:03.40 | jnwhiteh | crazedfred: Yes I am.. and thank you :P |
| 18:03.45 | sioraiocht | mikma: BRILLIANT |
| 18:03.50 | Fisker | wasn't $529 what the nexus one costed? |
| 18:03.55 | mikma | sioraiocht: lots of snow today :) |
| 18:04.09 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: yeah |
| 18:04.11 | crazedfred | jnwhiteh: It appears that making any kind of reasonable UI is a nightmare though, I may end up using that UI builder tool from wowinterface |
| 18:04.23 | Fisker | the uk price is messed up though |
| 18:04.23 | jnwhiteh | crazedfred: I dont find it difficult at all, actually |
| 18:04.25 | mikma | sioraiocht: 15cm or so |
| 18:04.29 | sioraiocht | mikma: w00t w00t! |
| 18:04.39 | crazedfred | jnwhiteh: hmm. I'm new to XML so maybe I'll tinker a bit first |
| 18:04.41 | Jamash | it really depends on what you mean by "reasonable" |
| 18:04.50 | crazedfred | lol |
| 18:04.50 | jnwhiteh | crazedfred: you don't have to use XML at all :P |
| 18:04.52 | Jamash | crazedfred: first rule of XML: don't use xml |
| 18:04.58 | Nobgul | lol |
| 18:05.01 | crazedfred | Jamash: hey that's MY rule |
| 18:05.05 | jnwhiteh | However, I use XML for many things |
| 18:05.16 | jnwhiteh | but we don't need to have that discussion again. |
| 18:05.24 | jnwhiteh | Use what you prefer, and don't push it on other people :P |
| 18:05.28 | Fisker | i like btw jnwhiteh |
| 18:05.31 | crazedfred | I was wondering if I could just do it all through Lua, it looked like it |
| 18:05.45 | jnwhiteh | crazedfred: yep, that's "covered" in the chapter on XML templates |
| 18:05.45 | Nobgul | yer u can |
| 18:05.53 | Jamash | XML used to be mandatory pre-wow-1.10 (iirc) |
| 18:05.58 | Jamash | but not since then |
| 18:06.00 | jnwhiteh | not everything that you can do in XML can be done in Lua and vice versa |
| 18:06.02 | Fisker | hosts can't advertise podcasts and ipods on our national tv/radio |
| 18:06.03 | jnwhiteh | there's always a disparity |
| 18:06.06 | jnwhiteh | btu its tiny |
| 18:06.08 | crazedfred | I have tortured memories of building GUIs in Java is all, not ready to get hurt again :P |
| 18:06.11 | mikma | sioraiocht: like i promised, lots of snow at january :D |
| 18:06.17 | crazedfred | jnwhiteh: gotcha |
| 18:06.17 | sioraiocht | so happy! |
| 18:06.43 | Jamash | Fisker: wat |
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| 18:08.30 | Nobgul | Mera, Nice vhost. |
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| 18:08.46 | Mera | ^^ |
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| 18:10.20 | Mera | i must have put merry cataclysm ;) before |
| 18:11.35 | samuelkadolph | What an original domain name heapoverflow.com |
| 18:11.50 | angayelle | building the interface in xml have the advantage for noobs like us to be able to lay things smoothier than with pure lua |
| 18:12.28 | jnwhiteh | angayelle: its so amazing for templating :P |
| 18:12.35 | Mera | its a security domain name samuel heap and stack overflows are the most critical bugs |
| 18:12.36 | jnwhiteh | factory functions make baby jesus kill a panda. |
| 18:12.36 | angayelle | oh yeah too |
| 18:12.53 | msoul | jnwhiteh: you done questing |
| 18:13.03 | angayelle | templates made my life so easy when i did my tankframes |
| 18:13.13 | samuelkadolph | Mera: I know the terminology. I was referring to fact you got the name from the site stackoverflow.com |
| 18:13.38 | Mera | yep it lookslike |
| 18:13.47 | angayelle | the thing i'll be missing with xml is to build frames dynamically tho |
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| 18:14.40 | Aezay | dynamically how? |
| 18:14.44 | jnwhiteh | msoul: no, working on it |
| 18:14.49 | jnwhiteh | i dont even need to stack dailies |
| 18:14.55 | jnwhiteh | i have enough non-daily quests |
| 18:15.12 | jnwhiteh | just taking any that provide 22,000 experience or more and keeping those and finishing the rest to find more |
| 18:15.21 | msoul | jnwhiteh: I might do that since I have to move between zones + Wg |
| 18:15.44 | msoul | noob question, how can you tell how much will it give xp for ya? |
| 18:15.51 | msoul | or by the color of it in your questlog? |
| 18:16.09 | Aezay | msoul, wowhead? :p |
| 18:16.16 | msoul | slaps self |
| 18:16.21 | angayelle | aezay if i have to fill my main frame with an unknown number which is how many people is in my raid for ex, then i'll be better using lua to create them rather than creating beforehand in xml and hiding the ones i don't need |
| 18:16.22 | jnwhiteh | LightHeaded |
| 18:16.28 | jnwhiteh | its listed in the LH window for every quest |
| 18:16.40 | Lopeppeppy | LightHeaded Rules. |
| 18:17.06 | Aezay | angayelle, oh I thought you meant you would miss a feature from XML |
| 18:17.25 | angayelle | bad wrding from me |
| 18:17.29 | angayelle | wording* |
| 18:17.42 | msoul | jnwhiteh: oi... think I'll start with the americans :P |
| 18:17.51 | msoul | will get a nice sleep! |
| 18:17.57 | Aezay | But what was that about factory functions, why are they bad compared to xml templates? |
| 18:18.11 | Fisker | Jamash it's advertising |
| 18:18.47 | msoul | jnwhiteh: nice addon indeed |
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| 18:18.56 | Jamash | Fisker: talking about podcasts is advertising? |
| 18:19.07 | Jamash | Are they allowed to mention the internet? |
| 18:19.21 | angayelle | not bad, different i'd say |
| 18:20.11 | Fisker | internet isn't advertising |
| 18:20.12 | angayelle | i haven't got into factory that much still tho |
| 18:20.32 | angayelle | it shares some letters tho, fisker |
| 18:20.41 | Fisker | huh? |
| 18:20.48 | angayelle | bad joke nvm |
| 18:20.49 | Jamash | Podcasts aren't commercial. |
| 18:21.07 | jnwhiteh | Lulia: I'm pushing a history rewrite to both repos |
| 18:21.14 | Fisker | sure is Jamash |
| 18:21.45 | Stanzilla | jnwhiteh: why does my tomtomlite error about IsContinentMap? :( |
| 18:22.00 | Jamash | Fisker: your television regulatory body is dumb |
| 18:22.02 | Nobgul| | Stanzilla , The newest revision? |
| 18:22.05 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 18:22.06 | jnwhiteh | Stanzilla: update :P |
| 18:22.11 | Stanzilla | I just did but ok! |
| 18:22.16 | jnwhiteh | i just pushed a new version |
| 18:22.21 | jnwhiteh | it may need a second to package |
| 18:22.27 | foxlit | Fisker has no television regulatory body. |
| 18:22.29 | jnwhiteh | if its a repo, its a destructive update |
| 18:22.46 | Stanzilla | ok cool |
| 18:22.47 | Nobgul | jnwhiteh, Packager has been funky today. Im still waiting for mine to package. |
| 18:23.06 | jnwhiteh | I <3 this |
| 18:23.07 | jnwhiteh | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/31f08e64db2484defc54096d43085f4e.png |
| 18:23.31 | Stanzilla | does it have a new file? |
| 18:23.46 | jnwhiteh | Stanzilla: yes, actually, it might |
| 18:23.51 | foxlit | jnwhiteh: what does it do? |
| 18:23.52 | jnwhiteh | there was an issue with my prior commit |
| 18:23.53 | Fisker | what foxlit said Jamash |
| 18:23.54 | jnwhiteh | my mistake |
| 18:24.00 | jnwhiteh | foxlit: its just the new version of TomTom |
| 18:24.00 | Stanzilla | ok |
| 18:24.05 | foxlit | I'm ignorant. |
| 18:24.06 | jnwhiteh | and I like all the quests I have going :P |
| 18:24.20 | Jamash | Fisker: by "your" I mean "your country's" |
| 18:24.26 | Fisker | umad Jamash |
| 18:24.29 | foxlit | still nothing, Jamash. |
| 18:24.35 | jnwhiteh | 2nd edition |
| 18:24.37 | Jamash | Fisker: yes |
| 18:24.38 | foxlit | The green bubbles are new, but I can't figure out what they do, jnwhiteh. |
| 18:24.43 | Nobgul | kk |
| 18:24.46 | jnwhiteh | foxlit: nothing right now, they're just waypoint markers |
| 18:24.58 | Lopeppeppy | Don't stand in the green poo. |
| 18:25.06 | foxlit | ah, okay. |
| 18:25.11 | Jamash | Fisker: I'm full of righteous fury |
| 18:25.25 | Fisker | ITT: Jamash doesn't know what podcast means |
| 18:25.26 | Stanzilla | jnwhiteh: global DongleStub missing, am I still on an old version? :/ |
| 18:25.28 | Arrowmaster | thats fucking awesome http://kotaku.com/5706402/and-then-i-punched-deathwing-right-in-the-face |
| 18:25.34 | jnwhiteh | Stanzilla: of TomTomLite? |
| 18:25.40 | jnwhiteh | umm. |
| 18:25.52 | Jamash | there are noncommercial podcasts |
| 18:26.14 | Stanzilla | jnwhiteh: yeah |
| 18:26.31 | Stanzilla | *16be version |
| 18:26.37 | Fisker | that's not the point Jamash |
| 18:26.38 | jnwhiteh | new version inc |
| 18:26.39 | Adys | If you're a current World of Warcraft player, don't look at the videos below. Just go to the Barrens, find the giant crater (it's rather noticeable), and look for Theldurin, Lucien, and Martek. |
| 18:26.40 | Adys | fail. |
| 18:26.41 | jnwhiteh | e02c687 |
| 18:26.48 | Jamash | Fisker: what is he point? |
| 18:26.55 | Fisker | in this case it was referring to the shows own podcast |
| 18:27.00 | Jamash | lol |
| 18:27.03 | Adys | Arrowmaster: its pretty pathetic to post an article and confuse the barrens and the badlands |
| 18:27.20 | Arrowmaster | and now i need to go and take my Network+ certification exam, wish me luck |
| 18:27.36 | msoul | Arrowmaster: May the Force be with you |
| 18:27.43 | Stanzilla | jnwhiteh: did you switch from LibMapData to Astrolabe now? |
| 18:27.47 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 18:27.51 | jnwhiteh | still on LMD |
| 18:27.55 | jnwhiteh | but I'll be able to swap |
| 18:27.56 | jnwhiteh | is the intent |
| 18:27.58 | jnwhiteh | if necessary |
| 18:28.02 | Stanzilla | ah ok |
| 18:28.28 | jnwhiteh | fixing another bug right now :P |
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| 18:28.53 | jnwhiteh | oh nvm |
| 18:28.59 | Stanzilla | yeah the iscontinentmap thing |
| 18:29.01 | Stanzilla | still errors |
| 18:29.06 | jnwhiteh | it definitely shouldn't.. |
| 18:29.06 | Stanzilla | *restarts wow again* |
| 18:29.31 | jnwhiteh | oh FML |
| 18:29.50 | Stanzilla | ok that means I'll wait till I start the client again :D |
| 18:29.54 | jnwhiteh | i'm an idiot |
| 18:29.55 | jnwhiteh | one sec |
| 18:29.57 | Kalroth | http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/gono/C4G.jpg i hope this isnt fake |
| 18:29.58 | jnwhiteh | you won't need to restart client |
| 18:30.15 | foxlit | gr. |
| 18:30.32 | jnwhiteh | Stanzilla: db0efa5 |
| 18:30.43 | foxlit | I end up adding stuff to SVs too easily :( |
| 18:30.44 | Stanzilla | ok! |
| 18:31.27 | jnwhiteh | shitbeans |
| 18:31.33 | Kraps | http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/extra-credits/2505-Sex-in-Games |
| 18:31.39 | jnwhiteh | how much is the teleport me to the tourney tabard? |
| 18:31.47 | Adys | 50 seals |
| 18:32.35 | Dagmar | However, the Argent Tournament Banner, which now actually drops an Undercity bomb, is a mere 20 seals |
| 18:33.10 | jnwhiteh | Dagmar: Undercity bomb? |
| 18:33.22 | Dagmar | Yeah, the banner that they plant are all screwed up |
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| 18:33.38 | Dagmar | Instead of the Argent Tournament Banner, it shows up as the Undercity Banner |
| 18:34.17 | Dagmar | You've never heard grafitti referred to as bombs before, have you |
| 18:34.17 | jnwhiteh | nice :P |
| 18:34.53 | crazedfred | Who linked that cash4gold image, because it IS SOLID GOLD |
| 18:34.53 | Dagmar | It definitely gets people excited when they see a dwarf hanging around the front of Undercity, and then ya drop that. Hehh |
| 18:34.54 | Nobgul| | lol |
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| 18:37.10 | Amarande | lemme guess, things like the dalaran teleport ring and the teleport me to the tourney tabard are going to get a good bit more popular now |
| 18:37.30 | bluspacecow | yarrrr |
| 18:38.02 | Amarande | unless you're a mage. |
| 18:38.16 | Amarande | though mages have gotten a lot more popular as well. it seems like half of trade chat on Silvermoon Alliance is mages |
| 18:38.24 | Amarande | used to be trade chat tended to be dominated by Paladins most everywhere I went |
| 18:38.48 | zenzelezz | [2. Trade] [...]: 23:30 GMT? What time zone? |
| 18:38.48 | bluspacecow | oh yeah |
| 18:38.59 | crazedfred | lol zenz |
| 18:39.02 | Amarande | but, any confirmation yet on whether Kingslayer et al. are being made unavailable tomorrow? |
| 18:39.04 | bluspacecow | imma a guy who likes helping people |
| 18:39.09 | bluspacecow | i give out free ports |
| 18:39.10 | cog|work | jnwhiteh: when you get a chance think you could do a new cave map? |
| 18:39.16 | Amarande | or whether they're going to get hit with something like a "no raid member may be higher than level 80" requirement? |
| 18:39.20 | jnwhiteh | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:39.21 | bluspacecow | yet immma still making a killing from donations |
| 18:39.23 | cog|work | legorol found a back way into my caverns |
| 18:39.24 | bluspacecow | its crazy |
| 18:39.54 | zenzelezz | <cog|work> legorol found a back way into my caverns <-- you dirty, dirty gnome |
| 18:39.56 | Amarande | cog: that sounds wrong. |
| 18:40.03 | Amarande | ^5 zenz. |
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| 18:41.08 | cog|work | chuckles |
| 18:41.32 | Kraps | http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/105729-Hobbit-Casting-Agent-Fired-For-Dismissing-Non-White-Hobbits |
| 18:42.46 | jnwhiteh | cog|work: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/41439d2851292f50b48acc3bbed39635.png http://images.gammatester.com/pics/e08a28c83f3a3552ffdda8329f650a3d.png http://images.gammatester.com/pics/f734a6cd5bacd7717436f4d89a369aed.png |
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| 18:43.32 | Kraps | jnwhiteh: what the hell is the second one? |
| 18:43.38 | jnwhiteh | cave map |
| 18:44.05 | crazedfred | First one to port Minecraft to WoW get's a free cookie, and also gets shot in the face... |
| 18:44.19 | Amarande | crazedfred: I'm sure peoples' guildies will do the latter for you |
| 18:44.26 | Amarande | Gah, I still remember when the Bejeweled addon was popular |
| 18:44.28 | crazedfred | lol |
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| 18:45.05 | samuelkadolph | Amarande: Peggle was were it was at |
| 18:45.18 | Amarande | Peggle? Lemme guess, English PegSolitaire? |
| 18:45.24 | crazedfred | [Guild][pitydafool] <MineCraft> High Score: I mined 30,000 blocks! |
| 18:45.38 | crazedfred | [pitydafool] has left the guild. |
| 18:49.08 | Industrial | GRRRRRRRRR chromium |
| 18:49.23 | Industrial | apparently it uses the OS proxy configuration for its own proxy config |
| 18:49.39 | Industrial | so I've been routing all my traffic through a proxy the last 3 days wondering why it's so slow |
| 18:49.54 | Napoleone | hmm any way to find out what a process is doing |
| 18:49.54 | Industrial | instead of JUST chromium (use firefox for everything else) for pandora.com |
| 18:50.07 | Napoleone | got 2 rundll32.exe thats hogging cpu |
| 18:50.22 | Lulia | Well this is odd... |
| 18:50.39 | Lulia | How does something which works perfectly fine in one addon not work in another? Must be a typo somewhere... |
| 18:50.43 | angayelle | going back home, bye people |
| 18:50.53 | Amarande | Lulia: are you missing a semicolon? |
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| 18:51.18 | Silverwind | Napoleone: get ProcessExplorer |
| 18:51.48 | Lulia | Aren't semi-colons optional? :P |
| 18:52.10 | Amarande | notes never to hire Lulia to code anything |
| 18:52.16 | Napoleone | just closed em ;) |
| 18:53.14 | Lulia | I use semi-colons anyway, Amarande, but I was pretty sure they were optional :P, and if you're picking on me, that's not nice. |
| 18:53.39 | nevcairiel | they are optional, and in 99.99% of the cases, totally unnecessary |
| 18:54.04 | Napoleone | doesnt it depends on how you use em aswell |
| 18:54.23 | Lulia | Hmm, the texture exists and is being set to the right alpha, and I know its points are set via Texture:SetAllPoints(Frame) so that can't be it either. |
| 18:54.28 | Napoleone | in multiline its not needed. but multiple "executions" on one line you need semicolon to seperate em |
| 18:54.36 | nevcairiel | no you dont |
| 18:54.41 | Lulia | Anything else that would cause a texture not to show? |
| 18:54.49 | nevcairiel | there is only a handful of cases where you need a semicolon |
| 18:54.54 | nevcairiel | in many cases a space is just fine |
| 18:55.06 | Lulia | lua> i=1 if i == 1 then print("Nope, Napoleone") end |
| 18:55.19 | Lulia | O.o |
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| 18:55.31 | nevcairiel | the bot isnt here |
| 18:55.39 | Lulia | QQ |
| 18:55.43 | Jamash | sigh, my mom wants me to go to my granddad's house and press the "dvd/vcr" toggle button on his combo player |
| 18:55.44 | Napoleone | lua> i=1; if (i == 1) then print("Yes, Napoleone") end |
| 18:55.49 | Napoleone | lua< i=1; if (i == 1) then print("Yes, Napoleone") end |
| 18:55.58 | Jamash | the bot still isn't here |
| 18:56.03 | syrae | Shirik is a bot. Just use Shirik to eval the lua |
| 18:56.13 | Industrial | Jamash: toughen up man! I do groceries for my grandma every week |
| 18:56.25 | Shirik | "Yes, Napoleone" |
| 18:56.39 | Lulia | Mine would work too! |
| 18:56.44 | Lulia | You better eval mine :P |
| 18:56.48 | Jamash | I don't mind running errands, I mind running an errand that consists of pressing one button that they really ought to be able to figure out how to press on their own. |
| 18:57.01 | syrae | Shirik: <3 |
| 18:57.13 | Jamash | http://wowprogramming.com/utils/weblua |
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| 18:57.34 | Industrial | or, use lua! |
| 18:58.00 | crazedfred | Jamash, I saw an picture once of someone who had taped over every button on the remote except the 2-3 that mattered |
| 18:58.05 | crazedfred | Maybe you should follow suit :P |
| 18:58.08 | Jamash | crazedfred: good idea |
| 18:58.25 | Amarande | lua> a=2; b=2; if ((a*b-2+b^2-3)/(a^3*(b-a)*3-b+a) == 5) then print("yawn") end |
| 18:58.47 | Jamash | Amarande: No output |
| 18:58.49 | Shirik | pop quiz |
| 18:58.54 | Shirik | What language is this? http://wowi.pastey.net/143682 |
| 18:59.24 | Amarande | Java or C++, I'm guessing |
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| 18:59.31 | nevcairiel | neither of those |
| 18:59.38 | Jamash | some lousy excuse for an OO language |
| 18:59.41 | Amarande | Objective-C? |
| 18:59.46 | zenzelezz | what language would allow string concatenation in a class name? |
| 18:59.54 | Shirik | zenzelezz is on the right track |
| 18:59.55 | Baps | it's not Java |
| 19:00.08 | Shirik | though it's not string concatenation in a class name |
| 19:00.19 | Jamash | looks like javascript to me |
| 19:00.22 | Shirik | the important part is "what language would allow..." |
| 19:00.47 | olafski | php :) |
| 19:01.04 | Shirik | --> "Test" |
| 19:01.06 | batbot | Shirik: > Test |
| 19:01.11 | Shirik | --> loadstring[[class "Bar" { base = 1 }; class "Foo" + "Bar" { a = 4, b = 3};]] |
| 19:01.11 | batbot | Shirik: > nil, [string "class "Bar" { base = 1 }; class "Foo" + "Bar" { a = 4, b = 3};"]:1: unexpected symbol near '+' |
| 19:01.14 | Shirik | whoops |
| 19:01.18 | Shirik | aw |
| 19:01.21 | Shirik | I screwed that up |
| 19:01.25 | Jamash | grats |
| 19:01.27 | Shirik | there's no + there |
| 19:01.28 | Lulia | Alright, so I created a small addon which further shows the bug I think I've found. Is anyone willing to help me confirm it? |
| 19:01.30 | Jamash | ~failrik |
| 19:01.30 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 19:01.35 | Shirik | --> loadstring[[class "Bar" { base = 1 }; class "Foo" "Bar" { a = 4, b = 3};]] |
| 19:01.36 | batbot | Shirik: > function: 0x7ae080 |
| 19:01.38 | nevcairiel | Shirik: without a plus its obviously possible with Lua |
| 19:01.39 | Shirik | I think that's what it's supposed to be |
| 19:01.47 | Shirik | I forget the exact syntax |
| 19:02.10 | sylvanaar_work | --> loadstring[[class "Bar" { base = 1 }; class "Foo" "Bar" { a = 4, b = 3};]]() |
| 19:02.11 | batbot | sylvanaar_work: @ [string "class "Bar" { base = 1 }; class "Foo" "Bar"..."]:1: attempt to call global 'class' (a nil value) |
| 19:02.17 | Jamash | you can make a lot of things compile that aren't particularly meaningful |
| 19:02.20 | Shirik | Very meaningful |
| 19:02.27 | Shirik | write a "class" function that returns a function |
| 19:02.29 | nevcairiel | you can actually make a proper class construct with that |
| 19:03.10 | Shirik | I actually wrote up a library to do this, but it's been so long I don't even remember how to use it anymore |
| 19:03.15 | Shirik | this was like 2 years ago |
| 19:03.17 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 19:03.26 | Shirik | I know the basic case |
| 19:03.28 | Shirik | not inheritance |
| 19:03.47 | Shirik | oh right |
| 19:03.54 | Shirik | I stole from Python |
| 19:04.01 | Shirik | it's class "Foo" ("Bar") { ... } |
| 19:04.13 | Shirik | which obviously could also be class "Foo" "Bar" but that's ugly |
| 19:04.18 | Jamash | don't you hate python? |
| 19:04.23 | Jamash | also, you're ugly |
| 19:04.23 | Shirik | Yes |
| 19:04.46 | sylvanaar_work | --> print "foo" "bar" |
| 19:04.46 | batbot | sylvanaar_work: @ [string "return print "foo" "bar""]:1: attempt to call a nil value |
| 19:04.54 | Shirik | print returns nothing |
| 19:05.07 | sylvanaar_work | --> "foo" "bar" |
| 19:05.07 | batbot | sylvanaar_work: @ [string ""foo" "bar""]:1: unexpected symbol near '"foo"' |
| 19:05.07 | nevcairiel | its like print("foo")("bar") |
| 19:05.37 | Shirik | lua> local oldPrint = print; print = function(...) oldPrint(...) return print; end; print "Foo" "bar" |
| 19:05.42 | Shirik | --> local oldPrint = print; print = function(...) oldPrint(...) return print; end; print "Foo" "bar" |
| 19:05.42 | batbot | Shirik: Foo bar |
| 19:05.44 | nevcairiel | i hate people that go like print"foo" |
| 19:05.46 | sylvanaar_work | yeah, i was just curious to see if it would combine the strings c-style. i wasnt sure if it did. |
| 19:05.48 | nevcairiel | glares at haste |
| 19:05.59 | Jamash | --> ("shirik")("is")("lame") |
| 19:05.59 | batbot | Jamash: @ [string "return ("shirik")("is")("lame")"]:1: attempt to call a string value |
| 19:06.04 | Dagmar | Deathwing is a myth! |
| 19:06.21 | crazedfred | We've always been at war with Eurasia |
| 19:06.27 | Jamash | eastasia |
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| 19:06.41 | crazedfred | close enough for government work |
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| 19:07.24 | Amarande | Dagmar: has anyone stood in the fire yet btw? |
| 19:08.41 | Dagmar | Amarande: I've spoken with no one who has |
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| 19:08.50 | Jamash | I have |
| 19:09.02 | Dagmar | Nuh-uh |
| 19:09.28 | Jamash | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/kiljaeden/jamash/achievement#97:15069:a5518 |
| 19:09.44 | Dagmar | hMod+LeafDropper can be a little disturbing at times tho, since the entire tree canopy goes *p0p* all at once |
| 19:09.53 | Dagmar | #$@ wrong channel |
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| 19:10.49 | Industrial | D: minecraft |
| 19:11.00 | Dagmar | I'm just wakin' up here |
| 19:11.06 | Jamash | also I have screenshots |
| 19:12.32 | Amarande | I'm still wondering if it's going to take into account things like underground subzones |
| 19:12.58 | Amarande | or if people in such places (like, say, the bottom of Jaedenar or Mazthoril) are just going to drop dead without any explanation other than the FoS if they don't already have it :S |
| 19:13.21 | Jamash | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9441366/Cataclysm/WoWScrnShot_120410_203333.jpg |
| 19:13.51 | Nobgul|Sleep | lol |
| 19:13.53 | Nobgul|Sleep | 1 shotted |
| 19:14.08 | Jamash | yep |
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| 19:14.39 | Dagmar | Well, at this point I think somethin's broken |
| 19:14.54 | crazedfred | very nice |
| 19:14.55 | Dagmar | I've seen Kei$ha and Nicole Kidman in the last two weeks |
| 19:15.02 | Nobgul| | 0_o |
| 19:15.03 | Dagmar | ...yet Deathwing wants to be all private? |
| 19:15.10 | Nobgul| | lol |
| 19:15.25 | Jamash | I spent about half an hour waiting in Tanaris before I got burned on Jamash |
| 19:15.38 | Nobgul|Sleep | get a hooker would be quicker =P |
| 19:15.41 | Dagmar | I've spent a good 15 hours just riding around the countryside |
| 19:15.42 | Jamash | yet nothing after four hours in Arathi Highlands on my priest |
| 19:15.47 | Dagmar | Nothing indoors at all |
| 19:15.56 | syrae | Jamash: nice |
| 19:16.00 | Jamash | it's quite random |
| 19:16.21 | Dagmar | You could probably get the forums stirred up with that screenshot |
| 19:16.45 | Dagmar | Just claim it's 'shopped because "there's no 'instantly killed' in the game lol" |
| 19:17.03 | Dagmar | usually things just hit you for a bajillion point |
| 19:17.08 | crazedfred | I love how it's Molten Flame |
| 19:17.17 | crazedfred | can't it just be NORMAL fire? NO |
| 19:17.19 | Jamash | equally so, I got mr pinchy on the first highland mixed school I tried, and got the pet on the first summon |
| 19:17.26 | Jamash | took my sister two months |
| 19:18.16 | Amarande | Did she do it when you still needed like 500+ fishing skill to get anything good from those? |
| 19:18.32 | Jamash | dunno |
| 19:18.36 | Amarande | remember, schools are guaranteed to give fish/items now and never grays |
| 19:18.51 | Jamash | she had maxed fishing and lures |
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| 19:19.10 | Amarande | Dagmar: heh, if they claim there's no "instantly killed" they apparently haven't done enough ICC |
| 19:19.16 | Amarande | The mechanic is there. Rotting Frost Giant. |
| 19:19.34 | Jamash | and nat pagle's extreme angler fc-5000 |
| 19:19.36 | Amarande | I'm trying to remember if it gives durability damage. |
| 19:20.00 | Amarande | There's been weird cases where people have died in ICC and haven't gotten it, I *think* frost giant plague was one of them |
| 19:20.05 | kd3|netbook | deathwing won't give durability damage |
| 19:20.09 | Dagmar | Amarande: Has there suddenly been a shortage of noobs on the forums? |
| 19:20.24 | crazedfred | Yes we're running out of them |
| 19:20.30 | Amarande | The other one is that if you get blown up by a caster's Unchained Magic expiration AoE on heroic Sindy, it counts as a PvP death and you don't get a durability hit |
| 19:20.31 | Dagmar | kd3: "OMG it's a conspiracy to create more gold sinks" |
| 19:20.32 | Dagmar | ;) |
| 19:20.51 | Jamash | deathwing does not cause durability damage |
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| 19:21.25 | Amarande | Has it been ascertained how often Deathwing picks a zone to nuke yet? |
| 19:21.30 | Jamash | I died from an ice orb pulse on LK last night and didn't get durability damage either |
| 19:21.34 | olafski | so.. does SUF automatically show the XP bar when the level cap is raised? :( |
| 19:21.36 | kd3|netbook | as best I've heard it's entirely random |
| 19:21.40 | Dagmar | I get the feeling maybe he's picking a zone per server or something |
| 19:21.52 | Amarande | Jamash: you mean the kind where you get tossed off of the platform and never stop moving until you release? |
| 19:22.03 | Adys | !api levelcap |
| 19:22.06 | Dagmar | You'd think if he was flying around killing people non-stop that he'd be a bit less of a shrinking violet |
| 19:22.09 | Jamash | Amarande: that orb, but it was the frost bolt from it, not the explosion |
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| 19:22.28 | Dagmar | My dwarf should be washing the smell of bacon out of his gear for weeks |
| 19:22.29 | Silverwind | Adys: MAX_PLAYER_LEVEL |
| 19:22.34 | Lulia | Nobgul! |
| 19:22.35 | Adys | sweet |
| 19:23.04 | Amarande | but yes, instantly killed seems to often have odd effects in a lot of games. |
| 19:23.07 | olafski | I just wonder if that variable changes.. can we just stay online and it'll show in chat "level cap raised, GL people!"? =) |
| 19:23.21 | Silverwind | needs a full client restart to change |
| 19:23.23 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:23.23 | crazedfred | You'll probably have to relog |
| 19:23.29 | Adys | I HACKED WOW I CAN LEVEL UP |
| 19:23.33 | Amarande | for instance, in Guild Wars, if you are trying to go for Legendary Survivor and are about to die in an area in Elona with yellow sand, you can run out into said sand and the instakill *does not count* as a death |
| 19:23.53 | Amarande | (You die, but it doesn't go on your death count and ruin your Survivor title track.) |
| 19:24.03 | crazedfred | Sounds like Karthus in LoL |
| 19:24.06 | Amarande | And you don't get Death Penalty for it, either. |
| 19:24.17 | Shirik | Adys: /script local oldLevel = UnitLevel; UnitLevel = function(unit) if unit=="player" return 85; else return oldLevel(unit) end |
| 19:24.17 | Jamash | I liked the bug in beta where walking around outside TB would instantly kill you |
| 19:24.22 | Shirik | OMG I'M 85! |
| 19:24.23 | olafski | silverwind: oh.. you sure? :( I figured since they said it wouldn't require a server restart, I wouldn't have to relog either |
| 19:24.26 | Amarande | Jamash: what'd it do, treat you as having fallen off TB? |
| 19:24.31 | Jamash | no combat log message, nothing |
| 19:24.41 | Jamash | nope |
| 19:24.44 | Silverwind | olafski: there was a blue stating that we need to restart |
| 19:24.44 | Amarande | ah. I had a strange death once in Icecrown zone |
| 19:24.49 | olafski | silverwind: oh okay :) |
| 19:24.49 | Jamash | you instantly went from being alive to being dead |
| 19:24.50 | Amarande | I tried to hearth while on the zeppelin |
| 19:24.51 | crazedfred | Treats you right for leaving TB |
| 19:25.13 | Amarande | and instead of ending up in Dalaran, I ended up high above the water a fair bit NW of the continent |
| 19:25.25 | Amarande | fatigue area, took nearly 30 seconds to land in the water |
| 19:25.36 | Amarande | then when I did ... of course, I tried to swim back, and I HAD nearly half a minute left on the fatigue timer |
| 19:25.37 | olafski | that's like northrend's westfall, amarande |
| 19:25.40 | crazedfred | How about the old bugs where you could fall through the zeppelin after the zone load. You wouldn't die instantly, but slowly to fatigue |
| 19:25.48 | Amarande | but about two seconds later, I suddenly dropped dead and ended up in XR when I released |
| 19:25.54 | Jamash | nice |
| 19:26.05 | Amarande | I'm *not at all sure* why I died |
| 19:26.16 | Jamash | sudden existence failure |
| 19:26.16 | Kalroth | l2p issue! |
| 19:26.42 | Amarande | I would have to get on my DK and go out there via mount/Path of Frost in order to see if that spot specifically has a death marker on it |
| 19:27.50 | Amarande | As for the one in Guild Wars, I suspect that may have been a glitch introduced with Factions. |
| 19:27.55 | olafski | ok so since we were sort of talking about SUF ;-) does it support guild XP/rep? :) |
| 19:28.10 | Amarande | If I remember, Factions has a cutscene where Shiro Tagachi kills the entire party during one of the mandatory missions |
| 19:28.52 | Amarande | so in order to not make the Survivor title require you not progress through the story (due to the unavoidable wipe), they apparently made "instant kill regardless of current HP" effects not count towards death count or give death penalty |
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| 19:31.19 | Amarande | (You know, it would rather be nice if they didn't make you automatically get stuck with a repair bill when fighting the Lich King ...) |
| 19:31.50 | Amarande | I'm not even sure if you even profit at all from the LK fight (once you have Kingslayer and assuming you don't need any of the weapons) or if you actually lose gold most of the time due to the mandatory death at 10% |
| 19:32.09 | Shirik | You should get a 30% durability loss for killing him |
| 19:32.18 | Shirik | There's already too much gold in the market |
| 19:32.22 | Shirik | and that fight is easy enough |
| 19:32.33 | Shirik | it's like a tax |
| 19:32.49 | Amarande | heh. easy, but I'm not sure if I survived to 10% most of the five times we've downed him |
| 19:33.07 | Amarande | I know I died at least once to a complete cheap shot that had absolutely NO chance for me to live through |
| 19:33.15 | Amarande | and I'm NOT talking fury of frostmourne :P |
| 19:33.19 | Amarande | though it WAS related to frostmourne |
| 19:33.54 | Maldivia | http://sfwlol.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/56135_460.jpg |
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| 19:34.05 | Jamash | our tank got one-shotted by soul reaper for 80k |
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| 19:34.08 | Nobgul|Sleep | 5th time today for that link >_< |
| 19:34.10 | Nobgul|Sleep | =P |
| 19:34.19 | Maldivia | Nobgul: still funny :) |
| 19:34.28 | Amarande | in my case, it was that I'd been harvested |
| 19:34.43 | Amarande | and popped out of Frostmourne just in time to be in defile, and with the only way to get *out* of defile being straight into the vile spirits |
| 19:34.50 | Jamash | nice |
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| 19:35.30 | Amarande | yeah, that's as cheap as my first and only defeat so far in my current playthrough of Final Fantasy X. |
| 19:35.51 | Amarande | "What's that, zombie wore off just before Yunalesca P3 is about to get her sixth turn since the last Mega Death? Oh, sorry!" |
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| 19:40.39 | Amarande | actually, you could liken the Lich King to Yunalesca in a particularly annoying way, too |
| 19:40.57 | Amarande | each time you wipe, you have to sit through way too much pre-battle prattle before you can attempt again :P |
| 19:48.45 | Lulia | Hmm |
| 19:48.55 | bluspacecow | lolz |
| 19:49.00 | bluspacecow | eu.battle.net down |
| 19:49.01 | Amarande | And people say Shin Megami Tensei is hard. |
| 19:49.09 | bluspacecow | 3 hrs 10m before go time |
| 19:49.32 | Amarande | SMT didn't have bosses that had *100%* instant death rate, except for Beelzebub. |
| 19:49.50 | Amarande | Even Mamudoon in Nocturne and DDS was only like ... 30% chance of instant death per target. |
| 19:50.18 | Amarande | (On a WoW note, Warlocks really should have instant death spells. :D) |
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| 19:51.51 | Lunessa | station |
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| 19:52.56 | bluspacecow | STATION! |
| 19:53.34 | alestane | Shadowburn, Amarande, and the former Bane of Doom. |
| 19:54.05 | Lulia | !IsMouseButtonDown |
| 19:54.12 | Lulia | !api IsMouseButtonDown |
| 19:54.49 | alestane | lua_bot appears AWOL, Lulia. |
| 19:55.00 | Lulia | Oh, I thought that was a different bot |
| 19:55.01 | Lulia | oh well |
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| 19:55.44 | Mirrormn | I'm pretty sure it is a different bot |
| 19:55.50 | Lulia | I miss lua_bot :( |
| 19:55.53 | Mirrormn | ~ is lua_bot's address character |
| 19:56.02 | Mirrormn | ! is like batbot, I think |
| 19:56.28 | Mirrormn | but since batbot is here and ! is not working I'm probably wrong |
| 19:56.34 | Lulia | I just got a nil error because I typoed the function in my addon |
| 19:56.39 | Lulia | I used IsMouseButtDown |
| 19:56.41 | Lulia | >.> |
| 19:57.12 | alestane | ~ is purl. |
| 19:57.17 | Amarande | alestane: didn't Bane(Curse) of Doom actually deal less damage than conflagrate used to? |
| 19:57.26 | alestane | !api is a lua_bot feature. |
| 19:57.37 | Mirrormn | oh |
| 19:57.39 | Mirrormn | duh |
| 19:57.42 | Amarande | I mean actual instant death magic, as in regardless of HP. :) |
| 19:57.45 | Lulia | yay, my smart grab function works :) |
| 19:57.45 | Mirrormn | I am le dumb |
| 19:57.46 | alestane | Couldn't say, Amarande, I was never destro. |
| 19:57.47 | Amarande | Like you get in other RPGs. |
| 19:57.51 | Lulia | Anyone want to check it out for efficiency? |
| 19:57.56 | alestane | Like other RPGs are getting rid. |
| 19:57.59 | alestane | rid of* |
| 19:58.01 | Amarande | Like Mudo(on) from Shin Megami Tensei or Death from FF. |
| 19:58.08 | Amarande | alestane: SMT still includes the Mudo series |
| 19:58.12 | Amarande | and I'm pretty sure FF still has Death |
| 19:58.20 | Amarande | it's just that Death works so insanely rarely that it's never worth casting :P |
| 19:58.21 | alestane | Those spells are nearly impossible to balance correctly. |
| 19:58.28 | Lunessa | Bah, games with Insta-Kill spells are not much fun to play. |
| 19:58.35 | Lulia | Guess not :P |
| 19:58.40 | Amarande | SMT did it pretty well. FF just made it work so rarely as to not be game-breaking, or even useful |
| 19:58.42 | Mirrormn | ~framexml |
| 19:58.42 | purl | Download FrameXML code/art from http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?locale=en_US&articleId=21466 ; or view it online at http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source , http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser or http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml |
| 19:58.47 | Amarande | (although Deathstrike on weapons in FFX was pretty useful) |
| 19:59.08 | alestane | When you said RPGs, I was referring to ones like D&D, which has been wiping out instant-flat effects across the board. |
| 19:59.25 | Amarande | Ah, I haven't really looked at 4.0's list of such |
| 19:59.40 | Amarande | 3.5 still had plenty of it. And many players regard 4.0 as apocryphal. |
| 19:59.54 | Amarande | Myself, I have the three core books for 4.0 so I can play it when DMs want to run that version, but won't buy any others |
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| 20:00.48 | alestane | "Apocryphal"? |
| 20:00.55 | alestane | I'm not sure that word means what you think it means. |
| 20:01.26 | Atriace | Of or relating in nature to the disastrous events portrayed in the Apocrypha |
| 20:01.27 | Amarande | Although even in 3.x, poison trends were showing an inclination away from instant flat, since it was no longer normally "save or die" (unless it was a poison that did a large amount of CON damage) |
| 20:01.48 | Amarande | alestane: "we do not regard this as a true part of D&D, 3.5 is the real D&D" |
| 20:01.54 | alestane | 3rd Edition/Pathfinder still has numerous save-or-"die" effects, but typically in 4E no effect can cill you in fewer than three turns. |
| 20:02.08 | Amarande | Basically, 4E is the Scrappy Edition of D&D. |
| 20:02.09 | Adys | ETA, 3 hrs |
| 20:02.14 | mitchnull | amarande: have you played any 4.0 stuff? is it any good? (I stopped at 2nd edition, so compare to that if possible :) |
| 20:02.24 | alestane | That's not apocrypha, that's a schism. |
| 20:02.33 | Lulia | Arrowmaster: You around? |
| 20:02.40 | Amarande | I played 4.0 once. It was tolerable because the DM is a good friend of mine and because I got a ridiculous amount of happy fun critical hits. |
| 20:03.02 | Amarande | It was not nearly as good as 3.x or AD&D. |
| 20:03.15 | mitchnull | hm |
| 20:03.23 | alestane | mitchnull, 4E has its drawbacks but it is typically faster and more fun to play for me than 3.x was. However, if you prefer very roleplaying-heavy games, 3 may be more useful. |
| 20:03.32 | Amarande | Also, 4E, though we didn't really have issue with it there |
| 20:03.39 | Amarande | has issues with certain types of fight |
| 20:04.03 | Amarande | particularly, drawn out epic war battle type fights (the prototype in D&D is probably the High Clerist Tower battle in the original Dragonlance module series) |
| 20:04.24 | mitchnull | maybe I'll stick with 2nd edition ;) (if the kids grow up... our old party is hopeless...) |
| 20:04.35 | Amarande | eventually, characters will become markedly weaker, because they'll have used up their Encounter abilities, while new mobs of course will come in with a full set of Encounter abilities still on tap |
| 20:04.36 | alestane | Typically, 4E doesn't want to do those as single encounters. |
| 20:04.42 | Xyphoid | we've been really happy with 4e |
| 20:04.51 | Xyphoid | particularly compared with 3e after 10th level ro so |
| 20:04.53 | Amarande | alestane: yeah, but you need a five-minute break for it to not count as a "single encounter" |
| 20:04.55 | Xyphoid | and it's amazing to GM |
| 20:05.02 | Amarande | and I don't think you can do High Clerist that way without losing a lot of the epic impact |
| 20:05.11 | Amarande | thou canst not rest in heated battle! |
| 20:05.28 | Adys | So |
| 20:05.30 | Adys | it's official |
| 20:05.34 | Adys | my guild hasn't killed LK25 |
| 20:06.12 | alestane | You could also grant effects that effectively gave the players a short rest without the flavor of sitting out for five minutes if you want to build such an encounter, or rule that because the encounter is of an epic nature, people refresh their encounter powers every so many turns. |
| 20:06.32 | alestane | Like the phase changes in certain console RPG boss fights, like Kefka. |
| 20:06.41 | samuelkadolph | Adys: Even on normal? |
| 20:06.56 | Adys | even on normal. |
| 20:07.06 | samuelkadolph | That sucks |
| 20:07.13 | mitchnull | or the new mobs / npcs can also come in with most of their powers already used up or somehting |
| 20:07.14 | alestane | I regard 3.x and 4E as both being decent systems but for different sorts of games. |
| 20:07.50 | Xyphoid | the minion system is pretty awesome for huge fights |
| 20:08.10 | alestane | For the sorts of games we play, 4E works better, especially because providing rules support for role-playing encounters means that our GM uses them more often even if they're not quite as freeform. |
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| 20:08.56 | Lunessa | I'm all for streamlining pen and paper games wherever possible. I haven't played D&D 4.0 but I played a lot of all the previous revisions. 3.0 and 3.5 were massive improvements over 2.x, and I'll give 4.0 a shot should I ever find a group to play with. |
| 20:09.01 | bluspacecow | there's a heart on the floor of the JC trainers room in dalaran |
| 20:09.05 | bluspacecow | just noticed that |
| 20:09.31 | Xyphoid | the best thing about 4e by far from my point of view: the monster system makes GMing complex fights incredibly easy. |
| 20:09.55 | Lunessa | http://www.lfgcomic.com/page/latest |
| 20:10.12 | Xyphoid | oh god have you tried to run fights with multiple high-level enemy casters in 3e |
| 20:10.46 | Lunessa | Xyphoid: I'm old school and hardcore. But even I shied away from fights with more than 10 combatants in earlier D&D systems because it was too hard to keep moving. |
| 20:11.24 | Fisker | i once killed a guy bluspacecow |
| 20:11.28 | Fisker | wat Adys |
| 20:11.29 | Fisker | wat. |
| 20:11.32 | bluspacecow | lolz |
| 20:11.32 | Lunessa | Now Hero System, or FUDGE, or Cyberpunk... no problem. |
| 20:11.37 | Adys | Fisker? |
| 20:11.41 | bluspacecow | and the eu.battle.net server too i guess ! |
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| 20:12.27 | Xyphoid | i recommend 4e, it pays a lot of attention to complexity management so that the GM doesn't have to have an enormous, throbbing, brain |
| 20:13.32 | Xyphoid | i'm using it for exalted now since exalted has mechanically gone insane |
| 20:14.36 | dardack_ | !api speed |
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| 20:15.38 | Lunessa | The biggest problem I have is... no one to play such games with. |
| 20:15.50 | Amarande | Xyphoid: the hardest thing was *creating* custom high level enemy NPCs in 3E |
| 20:16.08 | Amarande | If you didn't want to end up with situations that turn out to be impossible even though they look OK, you basically had to level them up from one |
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| 20:16.34 | Amarande | In particular, it's easy to create a high level character with Feats that all meet prereqs *at that level* |
| 20:17.04 | Amarande | but which there is no way to actually level a character to, because two Feats would have had to be gained at a simultaneous point where only one new Feat is granted |
| 20:17.10 | Fisker | no lk kills Adys |
| 20:17.12 | Fisker | or lk25 |
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| 20:17.54 | Xyphoid | the thing is no-one will ever notice that |
| 20:18.20 | Lulia | hops! |
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| 20:18.27 | Xyphoid | (don't tell anyone but some of my NPCs didn't have the correct amount of skill points either) |
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| 20:19.11 | Lunessa | Xyphoid: I like to use "Dramatic License" when crafting villains. They can break the rules in interesting ways for the sake of the story. |
| 20:19.16 | Adys | Fisker: aye |
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| 20:19.51 | Xyphoid | i picked up the dark sun monster book for 4e, and the 30th level sorcerer kings fit on a page each |
| 20:20.15 | Xyphoid | custom powers, personality and combat tactics blocks |
| 20:20.18 | Lulia | The whole advantage of a Pen and Paper game, in my mind, is the fact that you're not constrained by rules, rules are a convenience. |
| 20:20.27 | Lulia | If they become unconvenient, you, as the GM, bend them, |
| 20:20.53 | Lulia | inconvenient* |
| 20:20.54 | Xyphoid | heh, yeah |
| 20:20.58 | Lulia | Look at me, making up words |
| 20:21.09 | Lulia | I'm just that excited about my new function! |
| 20:21.35 | jnwhiteh | I have 18 dailies from icecrown |
| 20:21.46 | jnwhiteh | well, that's not just dailies. |
| 20:21.48 | Lulia | Now if only I could find a way around the bug that I've found in Blizzard's api :-/ |
| 20:21.49 | jnwhiteh | that's just 18 quests |
| 20:21.56 | jnwhiteh | i'm having issues figurig out what to turn in and what not to! |
| 20:23.00 | Legorol | jnwhiteh: if you want to powerlevel in Cata, don't turn any in |
| 20:23.07 | Legorol | turn them in after the launch so you gain XP |
| 20:23.10 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 20:23.12 | jnwhiteh | some turn into dailies |
| 20:23.16 | jnwhiteh | and pen other quests |
| 20:23.19 | jnwhiteh | hence the point :P |
| 20:23.27 | Legorol | is confused |
| 20:23.29 | jnwhiteh | like I can turn in basic chemistry |
| 20:23.35 | jnwhiteh | and get the neutralizing the plague daily |
| 20:23.56 | Legorol | yes, and? |
| 20:24.10 | jnwhiteh | I want 25 quests in my quest log |
| 20:24.12 | jnwhiteh | all complete |
| 20:24.14 | jnwhiteh | to turn in |
| 20:24.19 | jnwhiteh | not a quest I can turn in and then complete another |
| 20:24.30 | jnwhiteh | so some of these need to be turned in, because they open more quests |
| 20:24.36 | jnwhiteh | that is what I am determining right ow. |
| 20:24.38 | Legorol | oh now i get you |
| 20:24.46 | Legorol | you are saying you dont' have enough quests available to you |
| 20:24.57 | Legorol | because if you do, no reason to turn any in, is there? |
| 20:25.05 | jnwhiteh | before today I had done 0 in Icecrown |
| 20:25.06 | nevcairiel | jnwhiteh: you saw this? http://www.wowhead.com/quest=13297#comments:id=661941 |
| 20:25.13 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: aye |
| 20:26.03 | jnwhiteh | http://www.wowhead.com/quest=13072 doesn't lead to any splits, does it? |
| 20:26.04 | nevcairiel | i had done all quests in icecrown, and tournament + ship gave me about 21 |
| 20:26.06 | jnwhiteh | doesn't seem like it |
| 20:26.14 | nevcairiel | actually, 20 |
| 20:26.14 | Legorol | well, i guess 2.5 hours before Cataclysm launch is about as good a time as any to actually complete quests in Icecrown (the pinnacle zone of wotlk) :o) |
| 20:26.16 | Legorol | ducks |
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| 20:26.29 | nevcairiel | i didnt do the pvp daily |
| 20:26.35 | jnwhiteh | Legorol: :P |
| 20:26.38 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: I did one of two |
| 20:27.21 | Legorol | jnwhiteh: imo, you don't have enough time to slog through, some of these are longish chains that don't branch too much |
| 20:27.37 | jnwhiteh | well I've got nothing but time right now :P |
| 20:27.54 | Legorol | at this point i'd just keep anything that's already complete, and pick up more from tournament, ebon hold, and maybe other zones too |
| 20:28.08 | jnwhiteh | tourney is done |
| 20:28.09 | Legorol | but i see your point |
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| 20:28.11 | jnwhiteh | have done no ebon hold |
| 20:28.14 | jnwhiteh | so I suppose I can do that |
| 20:28.21 | Legorol | have you unlocked it already? |
| 20:28.27 | jnwhiteh | no =) |
| 20:28.30 | Legorol | sorry i should've said "shadow vault" which is its actual name |
| 20:28.37 | jnwhiteh | how do I do that? |
| 20:28.44 | Legorol | you might want to go through the chain to unlock that then |
| 20:28.47 | Xyphoid | hodir dailies are all in one spot for turnins too |
| 20:28.53 | kd3|netbook | http://www.wowpedia.org/Icecrown_quests |
| 20:28.59 | kd3|netbook | it's all there. ;) |
| 20:29.43 | jnwhiteh | hrm dont see what I need to do in order to unlock http://www.wowhead.com/quest=13072 |
| 20:29.50 | jnwhiteh | digs |
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| 20:30.56 | Jamash | you have to finish the argent vanguard chain so that tirion is actually at crusader's pinnacle |
| 20:31.07 | jnwhiteh | he's at crusader's pinnacle right now. |
| 20:31.18 | jnwhiteh | i have the quest to go to moonglade |
| 20:31.20 | jnwhiteh | or will |
| 20:31.22 | jnwhiteh | if i turn this in |
| 20:31.47 | Legorol | good luck on y our endevaour! |
| 20:31.53 | jnwhiteh | ty! |
| 20:31.59 | jnwhiteh | hrm Ebon Hold has plenty of quests to fill this out |
| 20:32.09 | jnwhiteh | I just have to figure out what I need to turn in in order to unlcok it :P |
| 20:32.39 | Legorol | the chain starts at Thassarian on board Skybreaker, i don't remember the quest name |
| 20:32.41 | Legorol | it's not a long one |
| 20:32.47 | jnwhiteh | he's not giving it to me |
| 20:32.50 | jnwhiteh | or I've already done it :P |
| 20:32.53 | jnwhiteh | where _is_ ebon hold? |
| 20:33.01 | Jamash | ITYM Koltira aboard Orgrim's Hammer |
| 20:33.06 | jnwhiteh | nvm, got it |
| 20:33.07 | Legorol | it's "shadow vault", and it's in northwest corner of icecrown |
| 20:33.07 | nevcairiel | jnwhiteh: says shadow vault on the map |
| 20:33.12 | Jamash | um, ebon hold is Acherus |
| 20:33.24 | jnwhiteh | this is fun, last minute stuff |
| 20:33.26 | nevcairiel | Legorol messed the name up |
| 20:33.26 | Legorol | yah it's my bad, i incorrectly called it ebon hold at first |
| 20:33.27 | jnwhiteh | Jamash: pah. |
| 20:34.07 | nevcairiel | i'm sitting near the tournament grounds, waiting for 0:01, then killing some mob to test if i was unlocked (if i get xp), then turning all that stuff in =/ |
| 20:34.12 | nevcairiel | nothing left to do |
| 20:34.24 | Jamash | level a tauren paladin |
| 20:34.33 | olafski | nevcairiel: but you have to relog I heard :'( |
| 20:34.58 | jnwhiteh | olafski: I heard differently |
| 20:34.58 | nevcairiel | i assumed as much, was kinda hoping for a blue post |
| 20:34.58 | jnwhiteh | should be a completely live upgrade |
| 20:34.59 | jnwhiteh | but who knows for sure |
| 20:35.01 | Silverwind | there is a blue post |
| 20:35.04 | jnwhiteh | probably not eevn blizz |
| 20:35.14 | kd3|netbook | blue posts today have been indicating that it'll take a relog |
| 20:35.24 | jnwhiteh | oh |
| 20:35.27 | jnwhiteh | alright then :P |
| 20:35.28 | jnwhiteh | good to know |
| 20:35.43 | Silverwind | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1253415973?page=1#17 |
| 20:35.51 | nevcairiel | i just found that one |
| 20:37.39 | Shirik | lmao |
| 20:37.42 | Shirik | want to see something hilarious? |
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| 20:37.48 | olafski | thanks silverwind :) |
| 20:37.58 | Shirik | How well people follow their new years' resolutions: http://www.google.com/trends?q=diet |
| 20:38.17 | Jamash | that sounds to me like there's going to be a teeny tiny client patch |
| 20:38.21 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 20:38.22 | Fisker | i once |
| 20:38.24 | Fisker | killed |
| 20:38.25 | Fisker | a |
| 20:38.25 | Fisker | guy |
| 20:38.31 | Shirik | I disagree |
| 20:38.45 | Jamash | I don't disagree |
| 20:38.56 | olafski | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/140337/question-in-regards-to-the-launch-at-midnight <-- with just the blue posts if you care :) |
| 20:38.59 | nevcairiel | just because they dont google it anymore, Shirik? Maybe they already have the perfect plan printed out! |
| 20:39.18 | olafski | I did a diet this year |
| 20:39.26 | olafski | kept it for 5 weeks I think |
| 20:39.45 | msoul | :o |
| 20:39.47 | Xyphoid | so who's going for realm first fishing |
| 20:39.48 | Lulia | nevcairiel: Nobgul said you'd run into something |
| 20:39.50 | Lulia | oops |
| 20:39.51 | Lulia | one sec |
| 20:39.52 | Xyphoid | that should be a heartbreaker |
| 20:40.17 | msoul | Xyphoid: I'd imagine ppl would mock first realm in cooking/fishing :P |
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| 20:40.31 | msoul | "nobody cares about those profs etc# |
| 20:40.39 | Silverwind | realm first cook will happen 10m after the launch |
| 20:40.47 | Silverwind | because people already have all the mats |
| 20:40.51 | Xyphoid | but inside they'd be secretly so jealous |
| 20:40.51 | msoul | read something similar earlier here |
| 20:40.52 | olafski | oh I'd love to get those msoul |
| 20:41.09 | olafski | realm first fishing.. don't think I can stand that |
| 20:41.10 | msoul | olafski hehe, I'll be sleeping baby! |
| 20:41.17 | olafski | I will try to level archaeology quickly though |
| 20:41.18 | Jamash | I want realm last |
| 20:41.31 | msoul | I mean, you hit the realm first 85 or last.. you still need your guildmates to hit that lvl to raid with or dungeons etc etc |
| 20:42.32 | Jamash | there's a level 90 elite at camp narache o_o |
| 20:42.42 | Silverwind | hmm, can blizzard update constants like MAX_PLAYER_LEVEL through a hotfix? |
| 20:43.16 | nevcairiel | its already magically computed by use of GetAccountExpansionLevel or something |
| 20:43.21 | Lulia | nevcairiel: Nobgul said you'd run into something similar to the bug I'm seeing and did something specific to deal with it, I was curious what that was? (the specific bug I'm seeing is that when I unlock my frames I make them all mouse enabled, normally they're not, if they're set to be unlocked. OnMouseDown registers that you want to move it and gets StartMoving() going and OnMouseUp collects the new position. OnMouseWheel allows |
| 20:43.34 | Jamash | tl;dr |
| 20:43.42 | nevcairiel | ^ agree |
| 20:43.45 | nevcairiel | also, seems cut off |
| 20:43.52 | Lulia | It's not cut off |
| 20:44.01 | Lulia | Well, it isn't on my end |
| 20:44.05 | Lulia | What's the last word you see? |
| 20:44.08 | olafski | anyone know how I can make windows 7 not log me off if I don't touch my laptop for 10 minutes? :/ |
| 20:44.14 | nevcairiel | "OnMouseWheel allows" doesnt strike me as a proper sentence |
| 20:44.18 | Lulia | Oh... |
| 20:44.28 | Lulia | OnMouseWheel allows you to rescale the size, however, if you unlock the frames and then try to use the mouse wheel before an OnMouseDown event is registered the frame will suddenly lose interactivity, as if it isn't mouse enabled. But, when you check to see if the frame is mouse enabled, it's reported as true, as are all the variables associated with making sure the frame is allowed to be moved) |
| 20:44.29 | alestane | Shouldn't be logging you off, but it might be locking your PC. |
| 20:44.30 | nevcairiel | irc lines cant exceed 512 chars |
| 20:44.39 | nevcairiel | that is including all the overhead |
| 20:44.44 | Lulia | Apparently Pidgin doesn't warn me of that limit |
| 20:44.54 | Lulia | Which is unfortunate |
| 20:45.11 | Lulia | Is it cut off again? Should end with a closed parentheses |
| 20:45.14 | Jamash | you should never get close to it |
| 20:45.15 | foxlit | 512? |
| 20:45.22 | Maldivia | foxlit: yep, 512 |
| 20:45.35 | foxlit | That's an incredibly weird number. |
| 20:45.44 | Lulia | Lengthy explanations require some text, it's unavoidable |
| 20:45.45 | Lunessa | LOL - http://www.fmylife.com/health/14093813 |
| 20:45.48 | nevcairiel | its 2^9 |
| 20:45.50 | Jamash | if you want to write a novel, use a pastey |
| 20:45.51 | nevcairiel | how is that weird |
| 20:45.58 | Lulia | It's note code, Jamash |
| 20:46.01 | Lulia | not* |
| 20:46.14 | Lulia | Nor is it anywhere near novel length |
| 20:46.15 | Jamash | Neither are novels. |
| 20:46.18 | Lulia | It's not even the length of a page |
| 20:46.25 | Lulia | It's barely the length of your average paragraph |
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| 20:46.56 | Jamash | I have been known to employ hyperbole in the aid of emphasizing a point. |
| 20:47.24 | Lulia | I've been known to sarcastically comment on said hyperboles when I feel the comments are unwarranted |
| 20:47.42 | nevcairiel | I've been known to ignore way too long questions |
| 20:48.20 | Lulia | Well, only the first sentence is a question |
| 20:48.33 | Lulia | The rest of it is the inevitable answer to the question you'd ask in response |
| 20:48.40 | Lulia | And describing a bug in detail is sort of necessary |
| 20:48.41 | nevcairiel | that doesnt make me not ignore it |
| 20:48.49 | Jamash | hey, I'm not the one exceeding the maximum message length of the communications protocol I'm using |
| 20:48.54 | Lunessa | Lulia: If you need more than one line for your code, use the frelling pastey. And don't be a douche about getting told to use the pastey. |
| 20:49.07 | Lulia | Lunessa: I didn't post any code |
| 20:49.16 | Lulia | And I'm not being a douche |
| 20:49.26 | Lulia | Jamash was being a douche for telling me to use code just to give an explanation |
| 20:49.29 | Lulia | Without any code in it |
| 20:49.33 | Lulia | pastey* |
| 20:49.44 | nevcairiel | You know, you can put any text on pastey, it doesnt have to be code |
| 20:49.52 | Lulia | I'm aware |
| 20:49.58 | Lulia | But you wouldn't have read it then either, I'm sure |
| 20:50.25 | nevcairiel | probably not |
| 20:50.47 | Lulia | Pastey is used for code because code can take up a ton of lines. My explanation took up maybe 10 |
| 20:50.52 | Lulia | depending on the size of your window. |
| 20:50.57 | Maldivia | foxlit: also, 512 really isn't that weird a number |
| 20:51.09 | foxlit | Maldivia: it doesn't fit in a byte |
| 20:51.14 | Jamash | it fits in a 9-bit byte |
| 20:51.23 | foxlit | And it's not 1KB |
| 20:51.27 | olafski | alestane: yeah, it locks my pc, sorry :) |
| 20:51.29 | Maldivia | foxlit: no, but it fits in a TCP/IP package |
| 20:51.47 | nevcairiel | as does 1024 |
| 20:52.03 | Lulia | So there's no way you'd be inclined to be helpful, nevcairiel? |
| 20:52.04 | Maldivia | well, without fragmentating it |
| 20:52.29 | nevcairiel | why would 1024 be fragmented |
| 20:52.42 | Maldivia | because 536 bytes is the requirement |
| 20:52.43 | Kraps | 2 hrs for EU |
| 20:52.46 | nevcairiel | isnt the typical MTU around 1500 |
| 20:52.53 | Jamash | the typical modern mtu is yes |
| 20:53.11 | Jamash | irc is pretty old |
| 20:53.36 | foxlit | I find packet size considerations weird anyway. |
| 20:53.49 | foxlit | I mean, did someone really write an IRC client on packet level? |
| 20:53.51 | Maldivia | 576* |
| 20:54.07 | Amarande | foxlit: I'm guessing that it may have been a memory space concern on early IRC servers |
| 20:54.19 | Lulia | I think the issue isn't the length of the question but it's source, clearly. |
| 20:54.21 | Lulia | sighs. |
| 20:54.26 | Amarande | Too big of messages, and a server could drown in pending messages maybe? |
| 20:54.54 | Jamash | I'm pretty sure it's the length |
| 20:55.00 | Jamash | also, that's what she said |
| 20:55.01 | Amarande | Even with the 512 byte limit on a message, there were still issues with server overload (which, IIRC, was primarily a RAM issue) in the late nineties |
| 20:55.28 | Maldivia | and actually, the max length for command+message is 510 chars, since you need 2 chars for \r\n :) |
| 20:55.39 | Jamash | Lulia: Don't feel persecuted, people on the internets are mean to everyone. |
| 20:55.50 | nevcairiel | I did say 512 including overhead |
| 20:55.56 | nevcairiel | i didnt specify what overhead is :P |
| 20:55.59 | Maldivia | hehe |
| 20:56.00 | Amarande | remember, most CPU arches tended to have stiff limits on memory that prevented servers from expanding as fast as IRC did. |
| 20:56.16 | Amarande | NOW you could probably get away with a max message size of 1400 or so. |
| 20:56.17 | mikma | nevcairiel: nothing goes over your head |
| 20:56.27 | olafski | surely we've discussed this irc line limit long enough now |
| 20:56.38 | olafski | and by "we" I mean "you" |
| 20:56.43 | nevcairiel | we'll only stop when a new topic comes along |
| 20:56.45 | Jamash | OTOH messages that long are tantamount to spam |
| 20:56.47 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: also, IRC is kind of tricky that way, since the client doesn't get the message back, so can't actually see what's been cut of |
| 20:56.52 | Amarande | But that's because NOW we have CPU/motherboard arch that can handle tens of gigs of installed RAM without any slow addressing kludges. |
| 20:56.55 | nevcairiel | Maldivia: indeed |
| 20:57.03 | olafski | nevcairiel: how about the topic that was described in the question in the first place? |
| 20:57.09 | nevcairiel | what question? |
| 20:57.24 | Nobgul|Sleep | nevcairiel, I reckon Lulia was trying to ask you for help. |
| 20:57.28 | olafski | aye |
| 20:57.33 | Lulia | He doesn't want to help me |
| 20:57.36 | nevcairiel | then do so in readable sentences :P |
| 20:57.37 | Lulia | shrugs. |
| 20:57.39 | Amarande | Back then, you needed actual big metal to handle more than 4GB, because 64 bit x86 didn't really make it big until ... what was the gen after P4? |
| 20:57.40 | olafski | and if you didn't get the whole message you could just ask him to tell you the rest of it |
| 20:58.01 | Amarande | And really, what ISP is going to dedicate a $10,000 server to IRC? They'll use it for web hosting where there's actually money to make. |
| 20:58.04 | Jamash | Lulia: You apparently don't want to be helped. |
| 20:58.26 | Nobgul|Sleep | nevcairiel, I think the issue is that. When trying to move a frame if the mouse scroll wheel is used it will not allow you to move the same element again. |
| 20:58.28 | Lulia | Jamash: I specifically asked nevcairiel if he would help if the question were shorter and he didn't respond. |
| 20:58.29 | nevcairiel | reading multi-line messages on irc is annoying |
| 20:58.31 | olafski | yeah you probably should have posted a pastey link by now lulia :P |
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| 20:59.07 | nevcairiel | like Lulia figured out a while ago, i dont like scaling things with the mouse wheel, so how would i know, i dont use it =) |
| 20:59.09 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: that why you have bots that track how much you "talk to yourself" :) |
| 20:59.53 | Lulia | nevcairiel: I think Nobgul was thinking you'd run into a similar issue with the mousewheel being used over a mouse enabled frame in general. |
| 21:00.14 | Lulia | Not necessarily that the mousewheel was being used to rescale, that fact seems inconsequential to the bug. |
| 21:00.24 | nevcairiel | Not that i'm aware of |
| 21:00.39 | Lulia | The bug itself is specifically related to using the MouseWheel before an OnMouseDown event is registered when the frame is made mouse enabled |
| 21:00.58 | Lulia | Which is what makes me suspect it's a problem with the Blizzard API |
| 21:01.04 | Lulia | But I have no way of confirming that :-/ |
| 21:02.08 | Amarande | I still want to know if they've fixed the ALT bug or if not, why it happens |
| 21:02.11 | Lulia | On the bright side, Nobgul|Sleep, I got my mouse-over effect working for the frames, so if your mouse is over two unlocked frames and one is smaller than the other the smaller one comes to the top temporarily. |
| 21:02.17 | Lulia | the ALT bug? |
| 21:02.33 | Mirrormn | so I wrote a little addon that will periodically query /who for me and inform me when people level |
| 21:02.37 | Amarande | Lulia: I've had multiple times where UI elements didn't work correctly and it would turn out that WoW was thinking the ALT key was pressed |
| 21:02.45 | Lulia | Hmm, I'm curious. Does simulating a click fire the OnMouseDown event? |
| 21:02.49 | olafski | cool mirrormn :) |
| 21:02.53 | Amarande | Tapping the ALT key again would fix it, but I don't know why it happened at all. |
| 21:02.56 | Mirrormn | it's rather neat |
| 21:03.11 | Lulia | Amarande: Odd |
| 21:03.13 | olafski | amarande: stickey keys? |
| 21:03.15 | Jamash | Amarande: that happens in every application, on every operating system |
| 21:03.16 | olafski | sticky* |
| 21:03.19 | Amarande | For instance, I'd try to select an auction to buy and it would pop up a "do you want to put (seller) on ignore?" which turns out to be the alt-click result |
| 21:03.47 | Amarande | Or sometimes I couldn't get my guild or friends to show up when I moused over the appropriate Broker panel spots, and it would turn out that's because it thought ALT was down |
| 21:03.53 | Amarande | Jamash: what causes it? |
| 21:04.02 | Lulia | My issue is that since it's possible to code things incorrectly, Blizzard is less inclined to see if code is correct and go "ah, that must be a bug on our end" and then fix it than they are to simply say I must be coding it wrong and ignore the potential bug. |
| 21:04.06 | Jamash | missed keyboard events, probably |
| 21:04.12 | Amarande | Jamash: and is it by any chance related to the SHIFT key bug I've seen at work sometimes? |
| 21:04.34 | nevcairiel | there is no "ALT bug" its the same for all modifiers for that matter |
| 21:04.48 | olafski | I've had it for some non-modifiers too in wow |
| 21:04.59 | olafski | sometimes (quite rarely) I'd just keep strafing even if I had no button pressed |
| 21:05.01 | Lulia | So you hit the "ALT" key (or another key) and the OS thinks you're still holding it down when you're not? |
| 21:05.08 | nevcairiel | for all keys, i suppose. For non modifiers, you notice it easier |
| 21:05.18 | Amarande | Lulia: that seems to be the case, since usually it happens the most when I've just alt-tabbed back to WoW |
| 21:05.26 | Lulia | I had an odd issue last night where I kept running even though I hadn't hit auto run |
| 21:05.33 | Lulia | I had to hit the up key a few times for it to stop |
| 21:05.37 | Amarande | Lulia: yeah, I had that happen to me in LOTRO once |
| 21:05.47 | Jamash | keyboards are old, old technology |
| 21:05.58 | foxlit | And wow's input handling is arcane. |
| 21:06.02 | Jamash | the protocol is probably not very robust |
| 21:06.08 | Amarande | which wouldn't surprise me to see it in WoW too, since it seems that LOTRO has a highly similar interface design to WoW |
| 21:06.09 | foxlit | I'd blame that rather than keyboards. Keyboards have gotten good lately. :) |
| 21:07.04 | cbreak | great... I logged out of SC2, and now it's broken :/ |
| 21:07.06 | Jamash | like I said, I've seen it in every OS |
| 21:07.12 | Arrowmaster | cold cold cold fucking cold |
| 21:07.18 | Jamash | I think it's just the way keyboards work |
| 21:07.25 | Lunessa | Put on a sweater you slacker. |
| 21:07.39 | Arrowmaster | i just got home |
| 21:07.46 | Arrowmaster | ~weather kday |
| 21:08.03 | Arrowmaster | fucking cold |
| 21:08.19 | Lulia | Arrowmaster: I made a small addon which shows the bug still happening :P |
| 21:08.31 | mikma | ~weather mkey |
| 21:08.37 | Jamash | it's still above 0F you big baby |
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| 21:08.55 | Cide | -12C? |
| 21:08.57 | Cide | stop crying |
| 21:09.01 | Maldivia | ~weather ekod |
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| 21:09.10 | mikma | arrowmaster: lol cold? |
| 21:09.10 | Amarande | hmm, so once you activate the CE for Cata |
| 21:09.17 | mikma | get a backbone |
| 21:09.28 | Amarande | you get Lil' Deathwing mailed to all current characters, and to all future characters as soon as they are created? |
| 21:09.35 | mikma | yes |
| 21:09.37 | Jamash | Amarande: should be |
| 21:09.53 | Amarande | also, now I'm headdesking for having bought a mouse pad the other day |
| 21:09.54 | Arrowmaster | its still fucking cold |
| 21:09.55 | mikma | not should, yes. |
| 21:09.57 | Amarande | since apparently I get one with the CE. |
| 21:10.06 | Jamash | who uses mouse pads? |
| 21:10.21 | Arrowmaster | im still using an original ratpadz mouse pad |
| 21:10.31 | Amarande | Jamash: I find mice to be more reliable when I use one. |
| 21:10.40 | Amarande | you don't want to suddenly fail to move in a raid and die, do you? :) |
| 21:10.40 | Jamash | I'm using a board |
| 21:10.48 | Jamash | usually I use my bedsheet |
| 21:10.48 | Lunessa | I use one, even though I use a trackball - because the glass surface of my desk is too slick. |
| 21:10.53 | Maldivia | Amarande: I have a mouse pad for my media center, works nice for that :) |
| 21:10.59 | mikma | amarande: wife put the code in yesterday and got lil deathwing :P |
| 21:11.03 | Amarande | and we're going to have tons of heavy mobility battles in Cata, that I'm certain of |
| 21:11.15 | Jamash | mikma: haxor |
| 21:11.19 | Amarande | since there's going to be tons of dragons, I'm presuming. |
| 21:11.24 | Maldivia | Amarande: nevermind, that was touchpad I was thinking of :) |
| 21:11.27 | Amarande | more dragons than we've had since Vanilla. :) |
| 21:11.36 | mikma | jamash: nope, local store made error and sold the games too early |
| 21:11.50 | Jamash | mikma: cool |
| 21:11.57 | Amarande | mikma: I'm guessing Blizzard doesn't care since you can't actually play it till tomorrow anyways :S |
| 21:12.09 | mikma | jamash: i was fast enough to pick the gameds (normal+ce) before they realized the mistake and stopped |
| 21:12.22 | Jamash | I don't understand what the big deal is about street dates for online-only games |
| 21:12.27 | Lulia | Mistake? How do they not know the date? |
| 21:12.35 | Lulia | O.o |
| 21:12.38 | mikma | i have no idea |
| 21:12.38 | Amarande | Jamash: I guess GameStop whines intensely if people can sell stuff before them |
| 21:12.40 | Jamash | why not let people get the game a day early so they can install and patch it? |
| 21:12.41 | nevcairiel | Jamash: they want the big launch events to be meaningful |
| 21:12.52 | Amarande | GameStop ideally wants people not to even be *able* to get stuff from competitors |
| 21:12.55 | Cide | Jamash: because it's a release date |
| 21:12.59 | mikma | oh yeah |
| 21:13.01 | Amarande | I know this well from when the Sakura Wars game came out for PS2 |
| 21:13.01 | Cide | it's not a "day after release" date |
| 21:13.04 | mikma | it was gamestop |
| 21:13.19 | Amarande | I still have to order that from Rosenqueen, because effing gamestop hogged up all the copies produced so that Play-N-Trade still can't order one |
| 21:14.07 | Jamash | Cide: It's a release date because it's a release date? |
| 21:14.18 | TMc51_ | anybody want some free snow? Just come to NY and take it all away. Just got done shoveling for the 2nd time today. |
| 21:14.32 | Amarande | heh and yet you look at the unwashed masses, and millions people insist that monopolies and single-source paradigms are a GOOD thing |
| 21:14.37 | Cide | Jamash: you start selling a game on the release date |
| 21:14.39 | Cide | Jamash: per definition |
| 21:14.52 | nevcairiel | TMc51_: i'll take it if you organize shipping to the EU |
| 21:14.57 | Jamash | Cide: Whose definition? |
| 21:14.59 | Cide | Jamash: I don't see why blizzard should hold off on opening the servers until one day after release |
| 21:15.02 | Amarande | mikma: heh, then Blizzard really doesn't care, I'm sure. :| |
| 21:15.13 | Amarande | GameStop probably will never, ever, EVER get cited for a street date violation |
| 21:15.13 | Cide | Jamash: any definition, look up 'release' |
| 21:15.18 | mikma | tmc51_: no thanks, we got enough of it already |
| 21:15.24 | TMc51_ | nevcairiel: Sorry, but shipping, as well as collection is up to you. |
| 21:15.29 | Amarande | because with the cost of producing a game, and the need to sell a bazillion copies to make money on a game nowadays |
| 21:15.40 | Jamash | Cide: Except, as has been established, street dates get broken all the time |
| 21:15.41 | Amarande | if you cut off GameStop, you're basically telling your stockholders that you're putting the business to sleep |
| 21:15.44 | nevcairiel | people would be all like, i bought this game, but i cant play until tomorrow? whats this madness? |
| 21:15.57 | Cide | Jamash: and that's an error? |
| 21:16.15 | Jamash | Cide: Is it? Seems more like good business to me. |
| 21:16.31 | Cide | Jamash: so is stealing $50 million but doesn't make it less of an error |
| 21:16.43 | Jamash | except stealing is generally illegal |
| 21:16.49 | Jamash | street dates are pure fantasy |
| 21:16.58 | Lunessa | GameStop is the perfect example of what's wrong with the retail model. |
| 21:17.01 | Lulia | Usually breaking a street date violates some sort of contract |
| 21:17.05 | Cide | ^ |
| 21:17.10 | Lulia | But it's up to the parent company to enforce that breach |
| 21:17.20 | Jamash | find me a breach of contract lawsuit over a street date? |
| 21:17.23 | Lulia | If they don't, it's still illegal, but not prosecuted. That doesn't mean it's legal. |
| 21:17.31 | Cide | Jamash: just because there's no lawsuit doesn't make it legal |
| 21:17.44 | Cide | good engrish there |
| 21:18.07 | Amarande | Jamash: usually the penalty is that the company whose street date you've violated bans you from selling any more of their stuff |
| 21:18.09 | Jamash | Cide: Contracts don't create crimes. |
| 21:18.17 | Amarande | from what I've heard, anyway |
| 21:18.28 | Cide | breaching a contract usually is |
| 21:18.33 | Cide | if the contract is valid |
| 21:18.38 | Amarande | Cide: no, breaching a contract is a civil tort, not a crime |
| 21:18.44 | Cide | whatever |
| 21:18.51 | Dagmar | Depends on which judge you have |
| 21:18.59 | Amarande | for a crime, the cops will come and enforce it for you. for a civil tort, you have to go to the trouble of suing them. |
| 21:19.05 | Dagmar | ...because apparently some guy got popped for DMCA violations as a _criminal_ case |
| 21:19.12 | Cide | Amarande: doesn't make it less illegal though? |
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| 21:19.47 | Lulia | The entire point of a contract is that they're upheld by the law, no? |
| 21:19.54 | Cide | pretty much |
| 21:19.59 | Jamash | Dagmar: The DMCA is a law |
| 21:20.11 | Amarande | Cide: well ... complaining to the cops really doesn't cost much if anything, while suing someone costs a fair amount of money, so normally you only do it if you actually stand significant gains from doing so (or are the RIAA). |
| 21:20.13 | Lunessa | The entire point of a contract is that it is enforced by law, but with non-criminal penalties. |
| 21:20.16 | Lulia | If they weren't legally binding, they'd be worthless. |
| 21:20.27 | Cide | Amarande: what it costs is irrelevant |
| 21:20.27 | Jamash | What Lunessa said |
| 21:20.42 | Cide | what lunessa said yes, but it doesn't support your opinion Jamash |
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| 21:20.52 | Jamash | Criminal and civil law are very different. |
| 21:20.56 | Amarande | Cide: sure it's relevant. if it's going to cost you $100,000 in corporate lawyer hours to do a lawsuit for which you might be able to recover a grand, are you going to do it? :) |
| 21:20.58 | Jamash | very, very different |
| 21:21.04 | Cide | this is activision vs gamespot |
| 21:21.05 | Lulia | We're dithering into the realm of semantics here, I think. No one is implying that you're going to jail because you sold a WoW Expansion too early, but if you do it you run the risk of being sued by Blizzard. |
| 21:21.12 | Cide | I think they can deal with a lawsuit |
| 21:21.18 | Lulia | Or them simply not doing business with you anymore. |
| 21:21.23 | Jamash | Lulia: It makes a very big difference whether you're being sued or thrown in jail. |
| 21:21.27 | Cide | and the whole discussion was about whether or not it's legal |
| 21:21.35 | Lulia | That's what keeps most companies holding to the release date. |
| 21:22.16 | Amarande | For the most part, it's a hell of a lot cheaper to stop doing business with someone than it is to pay your corporate lawyers to sue them. |
| 21:22.30 | Amarande | I mean ... which is normally easier? Putting someone on ignore, or going into a huge long tirade at them? :) |
| 21:22.37 | Lunessa | Amarande: Not always. |
| 21:22.44 | Jamash | which means we're dealing with neither criminal nor civil law |
| 21:22.50 | Amarande | Lunessa: well, yeah, there's things like "irreparable harm" and such |
| 21:22.52 | Cide | what? |
| 21:22.53 | foxlit | http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/unskippable/2518-Unskippable-100-A-Guide-to-Cinematics "We don't know why crows have become the standard for vaguely creepy symbolism in cinematics, but just trust us on this, Crows are the way to go. The more crows the better." |
| 21:22.57 | Jamash | it's simply in bad taste to break a release date |
| 21:23.04 | Cide | contract breach => civil law => illegal? |
| 21:23.10 | Jamash | Cide: NO |
| 21:23.13 | Cide | why not? |
| 21:23.14 | Amarande | something I tend to think is cited WAY too often. EVERYTHING these days causes "irreparable harm for which a monetary award is insufficient" in the eyes of many megacorps. |
| 21:23.16 | Jamash | because |
| 21:23.19 | Jamash | find a dictionary |
| 21:23.30 | Cide | I have several |
| 21:23.34 | Cide | your point? |
| 21:24.12 | Amarande | Though I guess they may have a point. |
| 21:24.20 | cbreak | SC2 is weird |
| 21:24.25 | cbreak | it just spontanously stops working |
| 21:24.26 | Jamash | if something is not a crime, it is not illegal |
| 21:24.31 | Amarande | In today's economy, few things *besides* megacorps tend to have the kind of money it takes to pay a sufficient monetary award on the money scales that megacorps work in. :S |
| 21:24.36 | Jamash | breach of contract is not a crime |
| 21:24.48 | Cide | "Retail outlets can be severely punished by manufacturers for releasing a product even a day before the street date, a process known as "breaking street." If a retailer breaches the contract establishing a street date, the manufacturer may impose fines, may withdraw privileges to distribute future products from that manufacturer, and may file a lawsuit to enforce the contract. However, there is no documentation of a retail chain or store being |
| 21:24.55 | Cide | " |
| 21:24.56 | Cide | etc |
| 21:24.58 | Cide | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breach_of_contract |
| 21:25.00 | Cide | support your arguments |
| 21:25.02 | Jamash | exactly |
| 21:25.13 | Cide | "he manufacturer may impose fines, may withdraw privileges to distribute future products from that manufacturer, and may file a lawsuit to enforce the contract. |
| 21:25.17 | Cide | " |
| 21:25.17 | Lulia | Contracts are enforced by the law |
| 21:25.27 | Lulia | Illegal means breaking the law |
| 21:25.41 | cbreak | contracts are not enforced by law |
| 21:25.49 | Cide | contracts are legally binding but optionally enforced |
| 21:25.52 | cbreak | there are contractual rules that are enforced |
| 21:25.55 | Jamash | If you don't want to believe me that contract law is different from criminal law be my guest, but you're 100% wrong if you think they're the same |
| 21:26.00 | Amarande | Cide, I get your point, but I think we really are going into the realm of semantic circles now |
| 21:26.01 | Cide | who said criminal? |
| 21:26.04 | Cide | I said illegal |
| 21:26.08 | cbreak | like certain things being impossible to make a contract about |
| 21:26.15 | Lulia | Amarande: I mentioned that awhile back :P |
| 21:26.29 | Jamash | illegal = criminal |
| 21:26.33 | Cide | nope |
| 21:26.33 | Lulia | And I didn't mean to use enforced, I'm just confusing myself, because, at this point, it's just words. |
| 21:26.48 | Amarande | In any case, the point is that it is a *civil* violation, rather than a criminal one, which puts it in an entirely different paradigm. |
| 21:26.51 | Lulia | The point is that if you breach a contract, it's wrong. And you can be legally held accountable. |
| 21:27.00 | cbreak | doesn't illegal mean against the law? |
| 21:27.04 | Cide | illegal is breaking the law as I understand it |
| 21:27.10 | Lulia | Right |
| 21:27.11 | Cide | doesn't have to be criminal law, could be civil law too? |
| 21:27.13 | cbreak | and criminal means against the criminal law? |
| 21:27.16 | Jamash | I don't know what you do or don't understand, but you're wrong. |
| 21:27.20 | Cide | oh, right |
| 21:27.21 | Amarande | Both are aspects of law, yes. But civil violations generally involve monetary awards from the violator to the aggrieved party, and don't require the violator to check off that "have you ever been convicted?" box on every job application afterwards. |
| 21:27.24 | Cide | so point out where my logic is wrong? |
| 21:27.37 | Jamash | You're arguing with the definition of illegal |
| 21:27.39 | Lulia | The penalty or awards aren't what defines it though. |
| 21:27.42 | Jamash | Again, consult a dictionary |
| 21:27.44 | Cide | I have. |
| 21:27.48 | Amarande | Criminal convictions involve jail time or fines that are paid not to the aggrieved party, but, as I understand it, to the state, and the violator is permanently marked as a criminal. |
| 21:27.49 | Cide | http://www.answers.com/topic/illegal |
| 21:27.54 | Cide | adj. 1. Prohibited by law |
| 21:27.59 | Cide | hey Jamash |
| 21:28.01 | Cide | consult a dictionary |
| 21:28.05 | Jamash | Breach of contract is not prohibited by law. |
| 21:28.09 | Jamash | badum-tish |
| 21:28.09 | Lulia | Yes it is |
| 21:28.12 | Jamash | no it isn't |
| 21:28.19 | Lulia | If it wasn't it would have no weight whatsoever |
| 21:28.21 | Amarande | This is also why the RIAA sues for the DMCA and doesn't seek criminal prosecution. |
| 21:28.31 | Cide | " law, a contract is a legally binding agreement between two or more parties which, if it contains the elements of a valid legal agreement, is enforceable by law[1] or by binding arbitration." |
| 21:28.39 | Lulia | If you could breach a contract without breaking the law then how could anyone ever take you to court? |
| 21:28.41 | Cide | support your argument, Jamash |
| 21:28.45 | Lunessa | Cide is correct. Violations of contact can be called 'illegal' even if they are not criminal. |
| 21:28.45 | Cide | because you seem to be wrong |
| 21:28.56 | Lunessa | er, contract. |
| 21:29.00 | Amarande | Suits get them money. Criminal prosecutions mean that the fines, if any, go to the US Federal Government and not to the RIAA pockets, and that ultimately someone's going to jail increasing the country's monetary footprint (which then backfires on the RIAA eventually when taxes have to go up to support it). |
| 21:29.04 | nevcairiel | Lunessa: contact too |
| 21:29.07 | Cairenn | civil law vs criminal law |
| 21:29.08 | Jamash | it's enforceable by law, however breaking it is not a crime |
| 21:29.09 | syrae | I have nothing to add to this conversation, but I wanted to say something. Hello! |
| 21:29.19 | cbreak | Lulia: I can take you to court without you doing anything at all. |
| 21:29.22 | Lulia | We didn't say it was a crime |
| 21:29.25 | Lulia | We said it was illegal |
| 21:29.26 | alestane | No, Jamash, it's a torte. |
| 21:29.27 | Lunessa | nevcairiel: Yeah, but violations of 'contact' are usually criminal in nature. |
| 21:29.36 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 21:29.48 | alestane | Which is still a transgression. |
| 21:29.52 | Lulia | cbreak: And you'd always lose, but breach of contract cases win in court plenty of times |
| 21:29.54 | Jamash | no, it's a breach of contract |
| 21:30.11 | cbreak | yeah, even if people don't do anything illegal |
| 21:30.13 | Jamash | also a torte is a kind of pastry |
| 21:30.19 | Lulia | The first person to talk about it being criminal was you, Jamash |
| 21:30.23 | Lulia | Not Cide, nor anyone else |
| 21:30.28 | Lulia | or* |
| 21:30.29 | alestane | You are correct, tort. |
| 21:30.49 | Amarande | Jamash: heh, so many things that get misspelled |
| 21:30.53 | cbreak | just think of a simple contract for a musical performance |
| 21:30.57 | Lunessa | For example, most criminal 'contact' is of the 'ouch!' or 'don't touch my junk' classification. :P |
| 21:30.59 | Cide | Jamash: I only said it was illegal, and it is, since contracts are legally binding in civil law and hence breaching them is illegal under civil law |
| 21:31.09 | Lulia | We said it was illegal, you said it wasn't illegal based on the justification that if it's not criminal it's not illegal. |
| 21:31.11 | Amarande | like when people talk about "military ordinance" (in reference to big-things-that-go-boom, rather than to laws) |
| 21:31.13 | cbreak | where something is unclear |
| 21:31.17 | Cide | Jamash: hence breaking a street date is breach of contract and by extension illegal under civil law |
| 21:31.38 | Cide | oh and consult a dictionary |
| 21:32.04 | Lulia | Cide: >.< |
| 21:32.11 | cbreak | breaking a contract is not against the law |
| 21:32.19 | Cide | oh yeah? |
| 21:32.28 | cbreak | not acording to my law teacher |
| 21:32.33 | Nobgul|Sleep | Being found guilty of breaking that contract is a crime. |
| 21:32.35 | Cide | "In law, a contract is a legally binding agreement between two or more parties which, if it contains the elements of a valid legal agreement, is enforceable by law[1] or by binding arbitration. A legally enforceable contract is an exchange of promises with specific legal remedies for breach." |
| 21:32.42 | cbreak | you just have to pay the conventional punishment |
| 21:32.46 | Jamash | Nobgul|Sleep: no |
| 21:33.02 | Nobgul|Sleep | It's only illegal if you get caught =P |
| 21:33.05 | nevcairiel | You're not a criminal for breakign a contract |
| 21:33.11 | nevcairiel | its just civil law, not criminal |
| 21:33.13 | Jamash | Nobgul|Sleep: not even if you get caught |
| 21:33.18 | cbreak | so if you break it, you are liable. but it still wasn't against any law. |
| 21:33.20 | Cide | cbreak: see above |
| 21:33.22 | nevcairiel | but its still against the contract law |
| 21:33.26 | alestane | You are liable, but civilly liable, not criminally liable. |
| 21:33.32 | Kraps | http://www.wowpedia.org/Category:Coprophilic_quests |
| 21:33.38 | Lulia | I've never seen a better execution of derailing an argument in my life. |
| 21:33.48 | Amarande | Cide: however, it's up to the person entitled to a remedy to choose whether to seek it. If they do, then the law will assist them in doing so, but they are not *required* to seek it. |
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| 21:34.08 | Lulia | The first person to bring up the possibility of it being criminal was Jamash, in his argument for why it wasn't illegal. That was never the issue we were originally talking about |
| 21:34.10 | Amarande | OTOH, in the case of a *criminal* violation, the aggrieved party is NOT entitled to stop the state from enforcing it against the violator. |
| 21:34.17 | Lulia | And now we have people debating whether or not it's criminal |
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| 21:34.46 | nevcairiel | Its not criminal, but its still illegal, defining illegal as "against the law" |
| 21:34.51 | Lulia | Right |
| 21:35.05 | Lulia | But no one making the argument that it was illegal originally stated it was criminal >.> |
| 21:35.06 | Lunessa | Are you ready to feel the world heave in torment and to be wtfpwned by Deathwing? |
| 21:35.09 | Cairenn | Amarande: not true, depends on the country |
| 21:35.12 | Nobgul|Sleep | Well it dpends. Avvually. |
| 21:35.14 | Lulia | Criminal should never have been brought into the argument |
| 21:35.24 | Kraps | Lulia: this is where people come to have argument derailed |
| 21:35.34 | Lulia | hugs Cairenn. |
| 21:35.44 | Cairenn | hugs Lulia |
| 21:35.50 | Nobgul|Sleep | If we are talking about Breaking a contract to provide payment for services rendered then yes it is criminal if the ammount exceeds a certain ammount. which is up to the state etc. |
| 21:36.00 | Kraps | ask Cide |
| 21:36.06 | Kraps | runs |
| 21:36.39 | cbreak | Nobgul|Sleep: it is fully compliant with the law to break a contract |
| 21:36.47 | cbreak | you just have to pay for it |
| 21:36.54 | Cide | Amarande: whether or not enforcement is optional has nothing to do with whether or not it's legal |
| 21:37.01 | cbreak | contracts are not eternal, they can be broken |
| 21:37.12 | Nobgul|Sleep | 0_O |
| 21:37.56 | Lulia | Criminal laws can be broken too, and not enforced |
| 21:38.11 | Nobgul|Sleep | About two dozen states still have criminal adultery provisions. While prosecutions remain rare, they do occur. And beyond the criminal realm, these provisions can be cited in divorce proceedings, custody disputes, employment cases and even to bar people from serving on juries. |
| 21:38.12 | Lulia | Enforcement has nothing to do with whether or not the law was broken |
| 21:38.38 | nevcairiel | cbreak: you can also kill Fisker, you just have to pay for it as well, probably with some time in prison :P |
| 21:38.45 | cbreak | nah |
| 21:39.00 | Lulia | nevcairiel: Or your own life, depending on who's penalizing. |
| 21:39.05 | cbreak | IF (and that's a big if) he counts as human, killing him is not allowed |
| 21:39.11 | cbreak | doing it is punished |
| 21:39.24 | nevcairiel | breaking a contract is also punished, and not allowed |
| 21:39.27 | cbreak | breaking/terminating contracts is not punished. |
| 21:39.30 | nevcairiel | just a different form of punishment |
| 21:39.33 | Amarande | Lulia: there is a difference there though, in that in civil cases, the aggrieved party gets to make the decision, the state cannot make it for them. In criminal cases, the state gets to make the decision and the aggrieved party has no say. |
| 21:39.38 | Amarande | Nobgul: that might not be such a good thing, that last one :) |
| 21:39.53 | Amarande | people might commit criminal adultery and turn themselves in so they never have to do jury duty anymore :P |
| 21:39.55 | cbreak | usually, breaking a contract is even explicitly handled by the contract |
| 21:40.03 | jnwhiteh | sioraiocht: is a horse. |
| 21:40.14 | cbreak | so for example if you have a contract for delivering goods, if you can't do it, you have to pay something |
| 21:40.15 | Nobgul|Sleep | lol |
| 21:40.15 | Lulia | Amarande: Yes, but that difference is inconsequential to whether or not it was breached. |
| 21:40.17 | Nobgul|Sleep | Amarande! |
| 21:40.22 | Amarande | remember, most people *hate* to do jury duty. |
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| 21:40.39 | nevcairiel | cbreak: that sounds more like unable to fullfill it, not willingly and knowingly breaking it |
| 21:40.40 | cbreak | or if you have a contract to work for some company, if you want to stop doing it, you can terminate the contract |
| 21:40.56 | cbreak | you can just stop wanting to fulfill it because someone else offered more |
| 21:41.19 | Lulia | Well, a lot of contracts have termination clauses, but some specifically don't have them |
| 21:41.28 | Lulia | Because the point is that you're not supposed to terminate them |
| 21:41.34 | Lulia | You're not supposed to break the contract. |
| 21:41.37 | cbreak | at least here in switzerland, there's a lot of stuff in the contract law about default clauses |
| 21:41.53 | cbreak | like breaking of work contracts has strict termination times |
| 21:41.56 | nevcairiel | If i have a contract to sell some game, and the contract states that i'm allowed to sell the game, but not before the 7th of december, selling it earlier is a breach of contract. You didnt just terminate the contract, because that would mean you also can't sell it at all anymore |
| 21:42.09 | cbreak | so companies can't fire me without a 3 month warning |
| 21:42.35 | bluspacecow | http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/8c058924-b6e8-45f0-ae47-8dba03e15e48.jpg |
| 21:42.48 | nevcairiel | ye work contracts are usually well protected under law |
| 21:42.55 | nevcairiel | and you can sue if they break it, successfully |
| 21:43.18 | cbreak | if they want to break up the contract, they just have to follow the contract |
| 21:43.28 | Dagmar | Assuming, of course, you're not some lone asshole with a cell phone being charged 10c a pop for text messages you explicitly told them you didnt' want |
| 21:43.31 | cbreak | if they stop following the contract, they have to pay |
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| 21:48.19 | Cide | main point being what nevcairiel touched on |
| 21:49.01 | Cide | breaking a street date is breach of contract and grounds for legal remedies |
| 21:49.14 | Cide | i.e. you can successfully sue them for $$$ if you care |
| 21:49.34 | Jamash | but not illegal |
| 21:49.45 | Cide | depends on the definition |
| 21:49.54 | Cide | it's a violation of contract law as I understand it |
| 21:50.11 | Cide | and hence I would classify it as illegal |
| 21:50.15 | Cide | but I could be wrong |
| 21:50.16 | cbreak | no |
| 21:50.21 | Jamash | Related to ILLEGAL Synonyms: criminal |
| 21:50.22 | cbreak | the contract probably contains something like: |
| 21:50.35 | cbreak | "Don't sell this before date X, or you are liable for big money" |
| 21:50.42 | nevcairiel | criminal is illegal, illegal is not criminal |
| 21:50.51 | cbreak | so the contract actually contains not following the X date |
| 21:50.57 | Cide | Jamash: that's such a good argument! a dictionary refers to criminal as a synonym and therefore your argument must be true! |
| 21:51.29 | Cide | and what nevcairiel said |
| 21:51.40 | Cide | cbreak: not following |
| 21:52.04 | cbreak | it's only a violation of the contract if you don't follow the contract |
| 21:52.19 | cbreak | if the contract says "don't sell before X or you have to pay Y" |
| 21:52.19 | Cide | and breaking the street date would classify as not following it, no? |
| 21:52.25 | Cide | ah, I see your point |
| 21:52.28 | cbreak | you can sell before X and pay Y and still follow the contract |
| 21:52.30 | Cide | but we don't know if that's the case |
| 21:52.57 | cbreak | it was called "Konventionalstrafe" here. I don't know the english name |
| 21:53.00 | Cide | I doubt it does though |
| 21:53.14 | Cide | because it'd either have to be excessively high to prevent people from doing it |
| 21:53.15 | cbreak | apparently those are very common in some types of contracts |
| 21:53.23 | Cide | or it'd be low enough that everyone would do it |
| 21:53.33 | Jamash | Cide: What does the word "illegal" mean to you? |
| 21:53.40 | Cide | "against the law" |
| 21:53.45 | Jamash | contracts are not law |
| 21:53.48 | Cide | yes they are |
| 21:53.50 | Jamash | no they're no |
| 21:53.51 | Jamash | t |
| 21:53.57 | nevcairiel | contracts are protected by the law |
| 21:54.06 | Jamash | that's different |
| 21:54.06 | Dagmar | "The server is prone to explode, so use with caution." <-- Clearly, ready for Cataclysm |
| 21:54.08 | cbreak | the framework of contracts are defined by law |
| 21:54.14 | cbreak | just like the framework of mariage |
| 21:54.16 | nevcairiel | which makes breaking a contract breakign the law that protected them |
| 21:54.16 | Cide | what do you call this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal#Contract_law |
| 21:54.19 | Jamash | contracts are not, however, law |
| 21:54.25 | Amarande | I think Cide's illegality definition pretty much is "if there are remedial consequences available under civil or criminal law if an action is taken, then said action is illegal" |
| 21:54.27 | Cide | contracts are legally binding |
| 21:54.33 | cbreak | or the framework of ownership of intelectual property |
| 21:54.35 | Jamash | they are not, however, law |
| 21:54.41 | Cide | I didn't mean that they are |
| 21:54.46 | Amarande | right, Cdide? |
| 21:54.47 | Cide | contracts are protected by law |
| 21:54.50 | Jamash | It's an important distinction |
| 21:54.51 | nevcairiel | They are not law, breaking them is still against the contract law |
| 21:55.02 | Cide | and hence breaking them is against the law that upholds contracts as legally binding |
| 21:55.18 | Cide | Amarande: no, short and simple "against the law" |
| 21:55.28 | Cide | breaking a contract is against contract law as I understand it |
| 21:55.39 | Atriace | Anyone here familiar with command line zip? |
| 21:55.52 | Cide | Atriace: "man" is I'm sure |
| 21:55.55 | Jamash | I don't know what "against the law" would even mean in the context of a contract |
| 21:56.03 | Cide | Jamash: in the context of CONTRACT LAW LOOK IT UP |
| 21:56.12 | Cide | how many times do I have to point it out |
| 21:56.13 | Lulia | Jamash: I have a question for you. Do you feel that willfuly breaking a mutually entered contract is wrong? |
| 21:56.23 | Cide | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal#Contract_law |
| 21:56.24 | Jamash | Lulia: I don't believe that that question is in any way relevant. |
| 21:56.53 | Lulia | Jamash: It's relevant, but I'd like to know your answer. |
| 21:56.55 | Jamash | Cide: You can link it as many times as you want but it still doesn't say breaking a contract is against the law |
| 21:57.15 | Atriace | Cide: naturally, but I'm here after reading through the documention because I couldn't resolve my issue with it. |
| 21:57.32 | Jamash | Lulia: I have no answer to your question. |
| 21:57.53 | Cide | Jamash: I don't believe you responding to something I am in no way saying is relevant either |
| 21:58.08 | syrae | So, who here is about to start playing Cata in an hour? |
| 21:58.15 | Jamash | Cide: That breaking a contract is against the law? |
| 21:58.23 | Cide | yes |
| 21:58.29 | Jamash | You're not saying that? |
| 21:58.32 | Lulia | Jamash: That's unfortunate. I feel as though you're likely arguing for the sake of arguing. That, more-or-less, you agree with the general premise of it being wrong, but feel strongly about the use of such terms like "illegal" and are thus arguing semantics. |
| 21:58.43 | Cide | you keep arguing that "contracts are not law" |
| 21:58.47 | Cide | which is correct |
| 21:58.50 | Cide | but totally unrelated |
| 21:59.04 | Jamash | It's entirely related. |
| 21:59.10 | Cide | contracts are legally binding and that legal binding is protected by law, and hence breaking a contract is against that law |
| 21:59.16 | Cide | it has nothing to do with the contract itself |
| 21:59.20 | Jamash | That does not follow. |
| 21:59.23 | Cide | how does it not? |
| 21:59.40 | Jamash | How does it? |
| 21:59.43 | Amarande | btw, is there a FoS for acquiring Lil' Deathwing? |
| 22:00.02 | Cide | I've cited things at least five times |
| 22:00.02 | Amarande | gah, maybe I shouldn't talk about Lil' Deathwing, though |
| 22:00.09 | Amarande | wasn't this how this whole conversation got started? o.0 |
| 22:00.27 | Cide | "In law, a contract is a legally binding agreement between two or more parties which, if it contains the elements of a valid legal agreement, is enforceable by law[1] or by binding arbitration. A legally enforceable contract is an exchange of promises with specific legal remedies for breach." |
| 22:00.45 | Lulia | Hmm, nevcairiel, I've noticed something odd. |
| 22:00.48 | Amarande | DAMMIT! I can have a perfectly on-topic, reasonable comment that isn't QQ and I *still* manage to mire chat anyway. :headdesk |
| 22:00.57 | Jamash | I've been looking up every definition I can find and nowhere does anything say that breaking a contract is illegal. |
| 22:01.23 | Jamash | merely that the terms of the contract are enforceable by law |
| 22:01.25 | Lunessa | alestane: http://tfl.nu/k2p7 |
| 22:01.26 | Lulia | When I added that functionality to Bartender to allow the rescaling of bars via the mousewheel it worked as I intended, aka, you could use the mousewheel over the bar and it would rescale without any complications. |
| 22:01.27 | cog|work | Jamash: if you break a contract the other party can use the force of law to make you comply or to give restitution |
| 22:01.39 | Jamash | cog|work: that's not the same thing, though |
| 22:01.39 | cog|work | if you break a contract you're acting "against the law" |
| 22:01.39 | Atriace | Amarande: prerelease tension? Somehow, I get the feeling it's just "that time of the month" for some people. |
| 22:01.52 | Lulia | Which means that if you used the mousewheel before an "OnMouseDown" event was registered, then it still would work fine. |
| 22:02.20 | cog|work | Jamash: you're confusing "illegal" with "criminal" |
| 22:02.27 | Cide | cog|work is a much better pocket lawyer than I am so you can respond to his argument Jamash |
| 22:02.30 | cog|work | illegal encompases criminality |
| 22:02.33 | Jamash | I will admit that I was earlier, yes |
| 22:02.43 | Jamash | there are things that are illegal but not criminal |
| 22:02.50 | Jamash | but is breaking a contract either of those things? |
| 22:02.53 | Lulia | So I tried mimicing the major difference that I noted between your system and mine, which is that you use button frames during the unlock. However, I'm still running into the issue. Is there anything else you do with your unlock which might be related? |
| 22:02.55 | cog|work | yes |
| 22:03.01 | Jamash | how so |
| 22:03.22 | cog|work | in fact some breaches of contract ARE criminal |
| 22:03.24 | Lulia | Jamash: Cide has already linked you proof, you refuse to see it. I doubt anyone is going to convince you. |
| 22:03.26 | Cide | you have legal grounds to file a lawsuit if someone breaks a contract (since it is legally binding) |
| 22:03.44 | Jamash | Yes, you can sue. |
| 22:03.46 | nevcairiel | Lulia: the only thing i do is that i dont move the actual buttons, i have the handlers on the overlay, but i dont think that matters |
| 22:03.53 | Cide | you can always sue, the point is that you have legal grounds to sue |
| 22:04.15 | Lulia | I note that you use RegisterForClicks and what not, which I don't do. |
| 22:04.21 | Lulia | I wonder if that matters, going to test it. |
| 22:04.47 | Cide | hence it's against the law to break the contract |
| 22:04.58 | Cide | it doesn't have to be automatically enforced to be illegal |
| 22:04.59 | Jamash | I don't follow. |
| 22:05.55 | Cide | "In law, a contract is a legally binding agreement between two or more parties which, if it contains the elements of a valid legal agreement, is enforceable by law[1] or by binding arbitration" |
| 22:06.01 | Cide | it is enforceable by law |
| 22:06.06 | Jamash | yes |
| 22:06.15 | Cide | hence you can enforce that the contract is upheld, supported by law |
| 22:06.19 | Jamash | yes |
| 22:06.31 | cog|work | hence if you don't uphold a contract, you're acting against the law |
| 22:06.35 | Jamash | no |
| 22:06.43 | cog|work | yes |
| 22:06.46 | cog|work | don't be dumb |
| 22:06.53 | cog|work | ~dict against |
| 22:07.23 | Lulia | The only way an argument can continue is if both sides keep at it. >.> |
| 22:07.39 | nevcairiel | Lulia: that the definition of argument right there |
| 22:08.12 | Lulia | Exactly. I think we should just let the other side be wrong, most reasonable people have had the chance to see the evidence and decide. |
| 22:08.22 | Cide | since you are then giving the other party law-enforced grounds to take action against you, it suffices to classify your action as "against the law" |
| 22:08.26 | cog|work | jnwhiteh: connection lost QQ |
| 22:08.33 | bleeter | hold onto your hats, paypal's under attack now. |
| 22:08.39 | Cide | OHNO |
| 22:08.43 | Lulia | what? |
| 22:08.50 | Cide | may the hackers retrieve my lost donations |
| 22:09.02 | Nobgul | lol |
| 22:09.06 | bleeter | apparently swiss postfinance is already down, paypalobjects is next on their list |
| 22:09.27 | cbreak | paypal folded a few days ago? |
| 22:09.35 | bleeter | Cide: yeah, I'm kinda 'meh couldn't happen to a more pleasant company to deal with' ;) |
| 22:09.48 | cbreak | postfinance say they closed the account because assagne lied when he opened the account |
| 22:09.59 | bleeter | cbreak: well, they signed their death warrant by booting wikileaks and locking accounts |
| 22:10.08 | bleeter | cbreak: kinda pissed off Anonymous lots |
| 22:10.12 | cbreak | who? |
| 22:10.18 | bleeter | paypal |
| 22:10.19 | cbreak | postfinance is kind of big :) |
| 22:10.24 | cbreak | paypal probably bigger |
| 22:10.30 | samuelkadolph | What about paypal being attacked? |
| 22:10.34 | cbreak | they booted wikileaks like 10 times |
| 22:10.39 | bleeter | http://pandalabs.pandasecurity.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/1291659886233.png |
| 22:11.08 | Cide | the pirate ay logo |
| 22:11.10 | Cide | nice |
| 22:11.12 | Cide | bay |
| 22:11.16 | Cide | unless it was used elsewhere first |
| 22:11.18 | Cide | in which case still lol |
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| 22:11.33 | bleeter | pirate party have come out and provided lots of virtual servers around the world in support of WL |
| 22:11.44 | bleeter | this is like PGP publication all over |
| 22:11.50 | cbreak | I've seen wikileaks mirrors on Freenet |
| 22:11.52 | Adys | ETA 50 minutes \o/ |
| 22:11.56 | cbreak | so it's already pretty uncensorable |
| 22:13.09 | samuelkadolph | Nothing is censorable anymore |
| 22:13.28 | cbreak | the chinese say otherwise |
| 22:13.34 | Cide | north korea too |
| 22:13.49 | cbreak | but they have more power in the mortal realm |
| 22:13.52 | samuelkadolph | And yet they can't contain everything |
| 22:14.00 | bleeter | yeah, it's censorable. just bloody hard to keep it quiet if you hand it out to 3million people without needing authorisation |
| 22:14.43 | cbreak | it's a question on what you want to achieve |
| 22:15.32 | Amarande | I'm still wondering if anything's actually been *really* damaged or put in danger by this whole affair. |
| 22:15.39 | Amarande | Other than that Hillary Clinton's political career is pretty much over now. |
| 22:16.07 | Amarande | And seeing as I never liked her to begin with, that I really don't care about. |
| 22:16.38 | Nobgul | Amarande, I doubt anything has been put in danger, The only thing hurt is the pride of people who let it leak. |
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| 22:18.34 | Lulia | Interestingly enough, the bug is definitely related to something happening INSIDE the SetScript function with the "OnMouseWheel" event |
| 22:18.47 | Lulia | If I use the mousewheel on a frame which is set not to rescale it causes no interactivity issues |
| 22:20.11 | Lulia | But, on that count, I can't note any major differences between my own and the one I put in for the bartender suggestion which would cause issue |
| 22:21.06 | Lulia | If anyone cares to look, these are the two different functions: http://pastey.net/143689 |
| 22:21.30 | Lulia | The second one is the one I used in my Bartender edit, the first is the one used in my test addon (testing for this bug) |
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| 22:23.10 | Adys | Quick quiz |
| 22:23.16 | Adys | cookie to anyone who gets it |
| 22:23.30 | Adys | does anyone know when photoshop first introduced Layers? |
| 22:23.34 | Adys | which version |
| 22:23.41 | Cide | x.y |
| 22:23.48 | Nobgul | 3 |
| 22:23.50 | Cide | for some value of x and y |
| 22:23.53 | Nobgul | photoshop 3 |
| 22:23.55 | Nobgul | I thinks |
| 22:24.01 | Lulia | I'm pretty sure it was 3 |
| 22:24.02 | Adys | i need a source |
| 22:24.28 | Nobgul | http://www.photoshopcafe.com/tutorials/layers/intro.htm |
| 22:24.29 | Lulia | What sort of source? |
| 22:24.31 | Nobgul | ^^ |
| 22:24.34 | Lulia | googling it comes up with: http://creativebits.org/the_first_version_of_photoshop |
| 22:24.38 | Nobgul | one he can quote for a paper prob |
| 22:24.54 | Adys | ty |
| 22:25.00 | Adys | no Nobgul :P |
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| 22:30.20 | msoul | 30 minutes until the madness begin! |
| 22:30.55 | Zasurus | Damn it! UK time is got 1 hour 30! We can't get our collectors till 12! :( |
| 22:32.08 | Aurorus | msoul: what madness? |
| 22:32.21 | Zasurus | ppl rushing to level lol |
| 22:32.22 | Cide | timezones baby |
| 22:32.27 | Zasurus | Yer yer :P |
| 22:32.40 | Zasurus | Love the fact for once EU get one on US! ;) |
| 22:33.14 | Aurorus | why is everyone rushing to level? |
| 22:33.15 | nevcairiel | we get all expansions early |
| 22:33.21 | Aurorus | what's so special about Cata? |
| 22:33.41 | Zasurus | Nothing more special than all other expansions |
| 22:33.44 | inthedrops | I'm in no hurry. Waiting for a guildy until tomorrow after work and we'll be leveling together |
| 22:34.29 | msoul | so I'm not alone on this! |
| 22:34.41 | Zasurus | Alone? |
| 22:34.44 | inthedrops | I'm less worried about leveling time and more worried about the packs of people and just being able to actually play the game |
| 22:34.44 | msoul | I'm not going to rush lvling |
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| 22:35.11 | msoul | that makes 2 of us now |
| 22:35.11 | Lulia | Yup, one of the biggest reasons to "rush" leveling is simply to get ahead of the curve a little |
| 22:35.11 | msoul | will get the expansion tomorrow morning, and lvl alone |
| 22:35.11 | inthedrops | thought about tkaing time off work, opted against it |
| 22:35.13 | Zasurus | hehe I see... Yer but it is always fun watching the packs! |
| 22:35.15 | msoul | explore as much as possible |
| 22:35.16 | Lulia | So that you're not camping spawns, etc... |
| 22:35.37 | msoul | and I hope truly hope I don't miss the fun quests |
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| 22:35.43 | Lulia | Unfortunately I'm going to be stuck behind the curve, so I'm unsure of what I'm going to do. |
| 22:35.45 | Zasurus | Got made redundant so perfectly timed lol |
| 22:35.54 | Cide | starting cataclysm update |
| 22:35.55 | msoul | the only quest I enjoyed most in wotlk is fighting for undercity |
| 22:36.06 | Cide | msoul: redundant |
| 22:36.12 | Lulia | ^ |
| 22:36.14 | Cide | you can only enjoy one quest "the most" |
| 22:36.15 | TC-Work | Zasurus: dont lie to yourself, EU is being used as one massive catch all for opening day issues |
| 22:36.15 | msoul | I don't know what that word mean to be honest |
| 22:36.18 | Lulia | most is an exclusive term |
| 22:36.18 | msoul | redundant |
| 22:36.19 | ronghail | I liked all the quests the most |
| 22:36.39 | TC-Work | ~dict redundant |
| 22:36.41 | Lulia | There can only be one "most", as Cide said |
| 22:36.43 | Zasurus | TC-Work: LOL yer but normally I have to wait to get the crashes |
| 22:36.51 | inthedrops | I'm a tank, so it's not good to get "behind". but I'll only be about a day behind I think |
| 22:36.57 | Cide | wtf |
| 22:36.59 | Cide | only 800kb/s |
| 22:36.59 | TC-Work | Zasurus: exactly, usually the US has to suffer through them first |
| 22:37.49 | Lulia | This is frustrating. The function I use in the Bartender edit look identical in every meaningful way to the function I use in the test addon |
| 22:37.50 | Zasurus | Crashes are the fun part... seeing ppl gettting worked up because the NPC's are missing and the abuse in general /city chat is the best part! ;) |
| 22:38.01 | inthedrops | my secret pleasure is hoping things do crash and all the sleepy eyed people in the US get angry :P |
| 22:38.05 | Lulia | So even though it's something happening in the function, it has to be an interaction with something else. |
| 22:38.20 | Lulia | But I also made the interacting elements the same, i.e. now I'm using a button frame as an overlay |
| 22:38.24 | inthedrops | SERVER RESTART IN 15:00 |
| 22:38.41 | Zasurus | :p |
| 22:38.52 | Lulia | You're hoping that the servers DO crash on us in the US? |
| 22:38.53 | Zasurus | That is always great to see on raid night |
| 22:38.54 | Lulia | Wow... |
| 22:39.08 | Lulia | There's no words to describe how incredibly unprovoked and spiteful that is :( |
| 22:39.13 | inthedrops | Kinda, but only because I am a selfish jerk and won't be playing |
| 22:39.19 | Lulia | I don't hope it crashes on the EU people... |
| 22:39.23 | inthedrops | I'm in US |
| 22:39.28 | samuelkadolph | lol Crash the UK! |
| 22:39.40 | Lulia | inthedrops: even worse, you're a traitor! |
| 22:39.58 | Zasurus | Civil war! :p |
| 22:40.07 | sylvanaar | no, wait, they will load test the servers in the EU, then they will have the fixes ready for the US |
| 22:40.14 | inthedrops | Lulia: got my boxing gloves on |
| 22:40.16 | Zasurus | yup |
| 22:40.18 | Lulia | I thought that maybe the bug would be related to the fact that I use textures, but I can't see how that would reasonably be the cause |
| 22:40.40 | Lulia | I'm so stuck right now :( |
| 22:40.54 | Cide | me too |
| 22:41.01 | Cide | the downloader is capping at 2mb/s |
| 22:41.05 | Lulia | Aww :( |
| 22:41.21 | Lulia | Sorry, Cide :( |
| 22:41.33 | Napoleone | I'm not seeing any new content |
| 22:41.42 | Cide | Lulia: me too |
| 22:41.46 | Zasurus | Guess you didn't get the CT hack then Cide :( |
| 22:41.52 | inthedrops | have fun in cat tonight all you folks across the lake |
| 22:42.03 | sylvanaar | pond |
| 22:42.10 | samuelkadolph | Cide: Using the P2P method? |
| 22:42.12 | Cide | well it takes me a whole 500 seconds to download the 1gb |
| 22:42.21 | Zasurus | :P |
| 22:42.25 | Cide | samuelkadolph: of course |
| 22:42.29 | samuelkadolph | Cide: Don't |
| 22:42.36 | Cide | why wouldn't I? |
| 22:42.44 | samuelkadolph | I was getting 1.2MB/s with P2P and when I turned it off I got 4.5MB/s |
| 22:42.58 | Cide | well it's not like I have much to do |
| 22:43.00 | Amarande | yeah, the P2P thing sucks orc balls for some reason |
| 22:43.06 | Cide | it's still over 8 hours until it's released for me |
| 22:43.13 | samuelkadolph | Direct download is superior in every way to P2P for the client |
| 22:43.28 | Amarande | I remember when 4.0 came out and I was getting a trickle |
| 22:43.29 | Zasurus | I get both direct and p2p...? |
| 22:43.44 | Amarande | Not to mention the P2P thing forces you to compromise your home network's security by opening P2P ports through the firewall |
| 22:43.56 | Amarande | because otherwise, you WILL get an unbearably slow download until you reach points that there are no seeds for |
| 22:44.12 | samuelkadolph | Amarande: Ports have to be opened for anything |
| 22:44.17 | Cide | yeah |
| 22:44.21 | Cide | compromise that security baby |
| 22:44.40 | Amarande | samuelkadolph: only if you want to host stuff. the problem with P2P is that if you're not enabled to upload as well as download, you get sludge for a download rate |
| 22:44.46 | Amarande | whereas the direct HTTP download isn't subject to that |
| 22:45.10 | Amarande | and mind you, not the good kind of sludge that has good loot or a Netherwing Egg in it. |
| 22:45.14 | Amarande | "Just sludge." |
| 22:45.18 | samuelkadolph | Amarande: It's still a 2 way street, only difference is the server has to be compromised instead of another computer |
| 22:45.39 | Lulia | nevcairiel: You said earlier that your button is just used as a handler and doesn't move with the frames? I noticed that you don't set any points for the button, so how does it show up? |
| 22:45.45 | Amarande | samuelkadolph: I mean with the traditional download paradigm, there's only one computer (the server) which needs to have ports open to the world. |
| 22:45.59 | olafski | man I so shouldn't have tried to sleep for an hour :P |
| 22:46.04 | Amarande | With the P2P paradigm, both the server AND the downloading machines all have to open ports for connections from world. |
| 22:46.28 | Amarande | Unnecessary ports open to inbound connections from world = Bad. |
| 22:46.29 | Zasurus | olafski: OK thanks I was JUST about to do that sleep for an hour thing! ;) Won't now then |
| 22:46.30 | samuelkadolph | Amarande: NAT opens the ports both ways |
| 22:47.05 | olafski | I almost stayed zasurus :P |
| 22:47.17 | Zasurus | stayed? where in bed? |
| 22:47.27 | jnwhiteh | so from Icecrown.. how do I get to.. say Hyjal. |
| 22:47.35 | Zasurus | boat |
| 22:47.38 | jnwhiteh | cog|work: is it back? |
| 22:47.44 | cog|work | yeah |
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| 22:48.21 | nevcairiel | jnwhiteh: stormwind, breadcrumb |
| 22:48.23 | Zasurus | jnwhiteh: I have moved my harthstone to org and use my tabard to get to icecrown |
| 22:48.38 | nevcairiel | Hero's Call board gives you the quest |
| 22:48.52 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: k k |
| 22:48.54 | jnwhiteh | perfect :P |
| 22:49.02 | jnwhiteh | 22 minutes! |
| 22:49.21 | olafski | zasurus: yes :) |
| 22:49.30 | Adys | 12 minutes jnwhiteh |
| 22:49.31 | Maldivia | remember to relog :) |
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| 22:49.37 | alestane | There's our prodigal bot. |
| 22:49.47 | Zasurus | Olafski: Guess I will be redbulling it then! ;) |
| 22:49.56 | jnwhiteh | oh yeah |
| 22:50.02 | jnwhiteh | Maldivia: how do we know when to log!!!! |
| 22:50.04 | jnwhiteh | err |
| 22:50.30 | Maldivia | jnwhiteh: when you get an ingame message that tells you to |
| 22:50.36 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 22:51.20 | Maldivia | always do as the voices in your head tells you to (except when it's from old gods) |
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| 22:52.44 | olafski | probably a bit late to ask this.. but what macro command can I use to interact with my target? :P |
| 22:52.45 | Maldivia | jnwhiteh: ohh, and hope you dont get a queue |
| 22:52.53 | jnwhiteh | yeah, good point =) |
| 22:52.59 | nevcairiel | when you're logged in now, you can usually relog without a queue |
| 22:53.03 | nevcairiel | it saves your spot for a while |
| 22:53.06 | bleeter | yay, cata's finally with the local delivery driver |
| 22:53.30 | Zasurus | queue? as in a login queue? |
| 22:53.41 | Maldivia | olafski: interact how |
| 22:53.52 | kd3|netbook | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:53.58 | kd3|netbook | to say, open up the gossip window |
| 22:53.59 | Maldivia | Zasurus: no, starbucks queue |
| 22:54.11 | Zasurus | ;P |
| 22:54.49 | Maldivia | but... happy levelling/exploring/etc, I'll wait till 9am instead |
| 22:55.10 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 22:55.34 | Maldivia | (also known as midnight PST) |
| 22:55.52 | Amarande | I moved my hearthstone on the DK to Undercity and am planning on skipping Hyjal and going to Vashj'ir |
| 22:56.03 | olafski | that's not really "skipping" I'd say |
| 22:56.06 | olafski | more like choosing :P |
| 22:56.09 | Amarande | I don't like New Orgrimmar, it's confusing to get around, and I was never a big fan of the layout of old Org, anyway |
| 22:56.18 | kd3|netbook | ama; then you'll want to be in org, as that's where the quest chain starts |
| 22:56.21 | olafski | but you liked undercity? :s |
| 22:56.30 | Maldivia | Amarande: flight changes everything |
| 22:56.32 | Amarande | kd3: but vashj'ir is in Eastern Kingdoms |
| 22:56.35 | Zasurus | Right see you guys in a bit... off to Game to pick up my collectors editions :D |
| 22:56.42 | Adys | 5 minutes |
| 22:56.45 | Adys | is it up anywhere yet? |
| 22:56.46 | kd3|netbook | ama, and? the quest chain /starts/ in org |
| 22:56.47 | Amarande | so that would mean it's wisest to just pop over to Org to pick up the quests and keep hearth in UC |
| 22:56.51 | kd3|netbook | you have to do the quest in org to get there |
| 22:57.09 | aualin | I got a confession to make, im an Alliance scum :( |
| 22:57.13 | kd3|netbook | also, you get dropped off in vashj'ir automagically when you do the quest |
| 22:57.13 | bluspacecow | 3 minutes ! |
| 22:57.16 | Amarande | is it viable to level all the way 80-85 in Eastern Kingdoms, or do you have to go to Kalimdor at one point? |
| 22:57.20 | bluspacecow | @aualin Meee too ! |
| 22:57.21 | Amarande | (other than the quest in Org) |
| 22:57.28 | bluspacecow | i also have hordie toons too |
| 22:57.35 | bluspacecow | does that make me Sweden ? |
| 22:57.38 | Amarande | I mean, as in, do you need to quest a Kalimdor zone at one point to progress |
| 22:57.39 | bluspacecow | or switerzland rather |
| 22:57.46 | jnwhiteh | where's the archaeology trainer in SW? |
| 22:57.49 | kd3|netbook | 80-82 in vashjir, 82-83 in deepholm, 83-84 in uldum (in kalimdor) 84-85 in twilight highlands |
| 22:57.49 | jnwhiteh | any idea? |
| 22:57.49 | Maldivia | Amarande: uldum |
| 22:57.52 | kd3|netbook | clad, library |
| 22:57.58 | jnwhiteh | ah k k |
| 22:58.02 | Amarande | IIRC, it's like ... what, 80-82 Vashj'ir, 82-83 Deepholm and 84-85 Twilight Highlands but I'm not sure if there's an EK alternative to Uldum |
| 22:58.22 | olafski | amarande: what kd3 said.. you get the quest in orgrimmar and have to take a boat / zep to vashj'ir from there |
| 22:58.25 | kd3|netbook | http://wowpedia.org/Portal:Cataclysm it's all there |
| 22:58.27 | olafski | flying there on your own doesn't work I think |
| 22:58.35 | aualin | Im downloading the last data now :D |
| 22:58.37 | kd3|netbook | indeed |
| 22:58.41 | Amarande | though I guess ultra-completism and some instancing will get you to 84 in Deepholm |
| 22:59.03 | syrae | jnwhiteh: it's Harrison Jones. Honestly, it's worth it to stick around for a bit to see the whole little script he goes through |
| 22:59.09 | Amarande | like how I didn't have to do badlands at all on my Alliance mage since I was 49 by the time I finished EPL |
| 22:59.11 | kd3|netbook | if you want to skip uldum, sure. skipping uldum is a bad idea, though |
| 22:59.15 | kd3|netbook | uldum kicks all kinds of ass |
| 22:59.23 | Amarande | which is good, because apparently till a couple days ago, Badlands was ridiculous |
| 22:59.33 | Amarande | basically, you couldn't progress through it properly without first having to walk across the entire zone by hand |
| 22:59.59 | Amarande | unlike like ... *every* other zone pretty much now in 1-60 where you get deposited near a quest hub once you walk in |
| 23:00.14 | aualin | So how is this whole Cataclysm goes live, process go? |
| 23:00.14 | Amarande | or it's not far on the road from same |
| 23:00.23 | kd3|netbook | that's been fixed. you land at fuselight-by-the-sea and it's all one big quest from there |
| 23:00.25 | aualin | Do you have to do anything special or is it just going happy face? |
| 23:00.30 | Amarande | kd3: yeah, that's what I meant |
| 23:00.37 | Maldivia | up yet ? |
| 23:00.37 | kd3|netbook | aualin, if you're already upgraded, you'll get an in-game message at 12:01 saying relog |
| 23:00.38 | Amarande | you used to not be able to, because you got NML'd out of Twilight Highlands on the way |
| 23:00.44 | aualin | Aa |
| 23:01.00 | Amarande | = fail. Of course I really tend to not think NML serves a purpose, anyway. |
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| 23:01.11 | syrae | NML? |
| 23:01.15 | kd3|netbook | as of, oh, right now in europe, it doesn't |
| 23:01.17 | kd3|netbook | no man's land |
| 23:01.26 | Amarande | I mean, look at the corresponding thing in Guild Wars, they pretty much never fixed all the shadowstep stuff that lets you grab cartography credits for spots you otherwise wouldn't be able to get to due to zone portals |
| 23:01.37 | aualin | The EU login server has slowed to a crawl :( |
| 23:01.39 | Amarande | nor, have I heard of Arena Net taking action against anyone for using those skills that way |
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| 23:01.58 | Amarande | (ANet seems to be pretty on the ball about what's wanted and not, anyway, since if they don't want something to be doable with X skill then they nerf it) |
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| 23:02.25 | jnwhiteh | hehe |
| 23:02.30 | jnwhiteh | login server is freaking hosed |
| 23:02.35 | kd3|netbook | color me shocked |
| 23:02.46 | Adys | and purple with a streak of magenta |
| 23:02.50 | Kraps | who here in the US is going to a midnight release? |
| 23:02.55 | jnwhiteh | Adys: can you get in? |
| 23:02.58 | olafski | can't connect lol =) |
| 23:02.58 | Adys | No |
| 23:02.58 | xqo | CONNECTING. |
| 23:03.00 | Adys | stuck at connecting |
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| 23:03.05 | Dagmar | "Broadcast: Hey, would four million of you logout and then log back in at once?" |
| 23:03.09 | Dagmar | pfft. |
| 23:03.09 | aualin | Logging in to game sevrer :( |
| 23:03.14 | aualin | server* |
| 23:03.15 | olafski | who would have guessed :P |
| 23:03.43 | Napoleone | wow 6 mill people reconnecting at the same time that stoopid |
| 23:03.58 | Cide | 6 million people purchasing cataclysm and playing at midnight in europe? |
| 23:03.59 | Dagmar | Let's hope a lot of them have work in the morning |
| 23:04.03 | Cide | dude, get back to reality |
| 23:04.05 | Napoleone | hehe |
| 23:04.12 | Maldivia | highlky doubt 6 mill are on and have cata' |
| 23:04.16 | Adys | Is anyone online with active cata? |
| 23:04.21 | Cide | highly doubt 6 mill are playing wow in europe |
| 23:04.23 | aualin | Nope |
| 23:04.28 | Dagmar | There's 12 million players |
| 23:04.30 | Kraps | http://store.steampowered.com/treasurehunt |
| 23:04.32 | Napoleone | 4th time getting DC'd |
| 23:04.39 | Cide | and not half of them are in europe |
| 23:05.05 | olafski | I got out of bed for this ;( |
| 23:05.28 | xqo | connectiiiiing |
| 23:05.29 | olafski | they could at least auto reconnect instead of having me re-type an authenticator code all the time :P |
| 23:05.30 | xqo | kill mee |
| 23:05.35 | Maldivia | weee... it's Dec 7th.... bejeweled 3 is out |
| 23:05.38 | Cide | olafski: security risk |
| 23:05.40 | Maldivia | :P |
| 23:05.56 | kd3|netbook | hokay. time for my database final. cataclysm goodness can wait til I get home (and then a few more hours...) |
| 23:06.05 | Napoleone | they should have it so everytime you press it you get a new code then |
| 23:06.07 | olafski | meh :P |
| 23:06.16 | Napoleone | 6th time ;P |
| 23:06.17 | Dagmar | olafski: I'm suprised the thing doesn't deliberately distract people by showing them a dancing gnome for 60*random seconds beteen attempts, just to soften the blow |
| 23:06.34 | Napoleone | or like youtube snake thing ;P |
| 23:06.37 | TC-Work | Maldivia: Bejeweled 3 > Cata |
| 23:06.40 | Dagmar | Cuz asking like, _everyone_ to relog at once is bound to break stuff |
| 23:06.44 | aualin | I bet some kid is crying by now |
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| 23:06.49 | Maldivia | TC: exactly! |
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| 23:06.54 | Dagmar | aualin: I approve of your visions. |
| 23:07.01 | olafski | I bet a whole lot of people are crying |
| 23:07.05 | syrae | ahhhh |
| 23:07.07 | olafski | people who expected to get server first cooking and such |
| 23:07.16 | olafski | owned by the login server because someone else managed to get in first :P |
| 23:07.19 | Napoleone | i wish i had a webcam to see the kids crying... not because I'm a bad person.. because its sooo fun |
| 23:07.21 | Cide | so |
| 23:07.24 | Amarande | I should get a mobile phone that I can actually do the authenticator thing on |
| 23:07.27 | Dagmar | The thought of a spoiled child moved to tears over the launch puts pep in my step |
| 23:07.30 | Cide | $25 for leveling from 62 to 70? |
| 23:07.31 | Cide | yes or no |
| 23:07.32 | syrae | Thanks folks on the European servers for confirming to me that I shouldn't bother staying up for midnight release. :) |
| 23:07.41 | Nobgul | hehe |
| 23:07.47 | Nobgul | syrae, im not gonna bother. |
| 23:07.50 | jnwhiteh | I'm at 'Success!' |
| 23:07.51 | Napoleone | yeah blizz did a stoopid move... EVERYONE RELOG ;P |
| 23:07.54 | jnwhiteh | syrae: indeed :P |
| 23:07.58 | jnwhiteh | Napoleone: its ot just a relog |
| 23:07.58 | aualin | I got past Success |
| 23:08.02 | jnwhiteh | its a client close/log |
| 23:08.04 | aualin | And got to the server list |
| 23:08.09 | Dagmar | Napoleone: That having been said, if it's actually processing _any_ logins, it should clear up within the hour |
| 23:08.13 | nevcairiel | supposedly dropping to login screen is enough |
| 23:08.14 | Amarande | Cide: heh, I wonder how long before Blizzard gets so focused on bringing people into the new content each expansion that they'll start selling levelups to 60/70/80/85 on the blizzard store |
| 23:08.19 | nevcairiel | just characterl list is not |
| 23:08.20 | aualin | But i didn't get any farther, so i made iit out again and started over |
| 23:08.20 | syrae | This channel is providing my allocation of schadenfreude for the day. :) |
| 23:08.24 | Dagmar | ...aside from the queue you know is going to kick ing |
| 23:08.31 | Amarande | actually, that might be a good idea for them to do in general |
| 23:08.36 | aualin | This is a story to tell my grandchildren, when i get some |
| 23:08.41 | Amarande | it would put the hackers' "leveling services" out of business |
| 23:08.50 | Cide | well I have a 70 priest |
| 23:08.54 | Napoleone | yeah specially if they underprice it like mad |
| 23:08.54 | Cide | but on the wrong server |
| 23:08.56 | Cide | oh |
| 23:08.58 | Adys | Anyone on EU online can confirm whether theres someone in hyjal already? |
| 23:09.00 | Dagmar | Amarande: with RAF they've turned it into something two people can do over the weekend without trying very hard |
| 23:09.04 | Cide | it'd be more than $25 |
| 23:09.08 | Amarande | I'd say Blizzard should have an official gold store too, but seeing as there's already too damn much gold on most servers as it is that would probably be bad still |
| 23:09.09 | Cide | it's on the wrong server and the wrong faction |
| 23:09.11 | Cide | I think |
| 23:09.13 | Napoleone | dont think anyone on eu can login |
| 23:09.24 | Amarande | Dagmar: not to mention 1-60 is super rapid too |
| 23:09.30 | Cide | no |
| 23:09.31 | aualin | I would feel pretty awesome being the single person online |
| 23:09.34 | Cide | how much is faction change? |
| 23:09.40 | Dagmar | Amarande: yeah I put my level 5 priest in the guild last night, and then got to 10. |
| 23:09.44 | Dagmar | People were shocked. :) |
| 23:09.47 | Napoleone | 25$ |
| 23:09.54 | Cide | that too? |
| 23:09.55 | Cide | jesus |
| 23:09.56 | Amarande | I logged onto my 34 mage around Thanksgiving and I think I was in Outland by the end of the weekend. |
| 23:10.19 | Dagmar | I was like, "I'd have a mount in another hour or two if I wasn't sleepy" |
| 23:10.20 | Cide | FACTION CHANGE IS THIRTY |
| 23:10.22 | Cide | jesus |
| 23:10.29 | Amarande | And that's going to Outland at 60-61. |
| 23:10.29 | Cide | fuck that |
| 23:10.30 | Napoleone | lol wjat |
| 23:10.41 | Amarande | Which you will be, if you finish the quests in Blasted Lands as Alliance before you go through the portal. |
| 23:10.52 | xqo | you guys in yet? |
| 23:10.55 | bleeter | faction change price hasn't changed itself in respect to how much easier it is to level now |
| 23:10.56 | olafski | bah I never had any trouble with WOTLK :( |
| 23:11.00 | Amarande | IIRC, I was 60 and fairly close to 61 and did a random that pushed me over before I actually started questing Outland |
| 23:11.08 | bleeter | back when total pain in arse to level $25 was worth it. now? fuck that for a joke. |
| 23:11.12 | Napoleone | scream up if someone actually gets in on eu ;P |
| 23:11.15 | Amarande | or was that 59 and close to 60 |
| 23:11.15 | bleeter | rants with Cide |
| 23:11.20 | Dagmar | Yeah you kinda go screaming past the lower limits on the new areas |
| 23:11.22 | Amarande | yeah, I think I was 59-really-near-60 and then leveled in Ramps |
| 23:11.43 | Napoleone | 22nd time dc'ing |
| 23:11.54 | Dagmar | I tend to stick to areas until I think I've seen everything tho |
| 23:11.55 | Legorol | Napoleone: chain-DC here too |
| 23:12.10 | Legorol | i was online from 10 minutes before midnight, and made the mistake of relogging at 00:01 |
| 23:12.13 | cbreak | someone was realm first max cooking on my server |
| 23:12.15 | Dagmar | This might get me into trouble tonight. :) |
| 23:12.19 | cbreak | at 3 past midnight... |
| 23:12.20 | Napoleone | cbreak.. us? |
| 23:12.31 | Dagmar | cbreak: They probably had a stash of the cata fish |
| 23:12.33 | cbreak | no, they aren't that far |
| 23:12.39 | cbreak | eu server |
| 23:12.43 | Dagmar | ...which may result in that getting reversed |
| 23:12.43 | Napoleone | hmm so you on eu and got in? |
| 23:12.52 | Legorol | i was online all evening |
| 23:12.52 | cbreak | I was in since two hours |
| 23:13.00 | Legorol | my last login was at 23:50 |
| 23:13.02 | cbreak | logged out for sleep :) |
| 23:13.07 | Legorol | i staid on till 00:01, then i tried to relog |
| 23:13.09 | Legorol | no luck since |
| 23:13.10 | Dagmar | cbreak: Either that or they just linked the achievement and you guys are all noobs |
| 23:13.16 | cbreak | won't get my cata version for a few days anyway |
| 23:13.25 | cbreak | Dagmar: no one linked it |
| 23:13.26 | Legorol | cbreak: you didn't need cata fish, you could accumulate cata meat from the meat crate from cooking dailies |
| 23:13.30 | cbreak | it was a server wide announcement |
| 23:13.30 | Napoleone | i got the message. cataclysm content now available.. relog client for accessing it |
| 23:13.44 | Amarande | speaking of DC's, did they ever fix the one with OS/RS? |
| 23:13.47 | Legorol | Napoleone: at what time? |
| 23:13.48 | Adys | are there ppl in the new zones? |
| 23:14.00 | Napoleone | Legorol i've been doing those quests everyday... not getting alot of meat |
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| 23:14.07 | Dagmar | They had to have stashed something in order to hit the max in three minutes |
| 23:14.18 | Legorol | Dagmar: yes, stash a lot.. by doing it on a lot of chars |
| 23:14.25 | Napoleone | or they had shitload of people do it ye |
| 23:14.26 | Amarande | I wonder what the last class and profession to be maxed will be. |
| 23:14.26 | Dagmar | Napoleone: No there's a box of questionable meat you can buy with the chef's tokens |
| 23:14.31 | Legorol | they could've organised it and got 20 people doing daily cooking on 10 chars each for 2 weeks |
| 23:14.32 | Napoleone | i know |
| 23:14.38 | Napoleone | only got 3 meat in it 3 times |
| 23:14.42 | cbreak | also heard of a level 80 worgen already |
| 23:14.46 | Legorol | ? |
| 23:14.49 | cbreak | yay for char transform :) |
| 23:14.51 | Legorol | but i always got meat |
| 23:14.51 | Amarande | cbreak: someone paid for race change, probably |
| 23:14.53 | Dagmar | They did allow race changes |
| 23:14.56 | nevcairiel | you can transfer chars, so thats not such a biggy |
| 23:15.05 | Amarande | there were level 80 blood elf warriors the day 4.0.3a came out, too |
| 23:15.21 | Amarande | yay! another class I can make as a female blood elf. :D |
| 23:15.29 | Legorol | Napoleone: at what time did the server message happen? |
| 23:15.37 | Napoleone | 00:02 |
| 23:15.40 | Amarande | (yes, ALL of my horde characters are female blood elves, I admit this freely.) |
| 23:15.45 | Napoleone | Amarande nice |
| 23:15.51 | Napoleone | i got mostly cows and trolls ;P |
| 23:15.54 | Dagmar | Trailer park queen collection |
| 23:15.58 | Napoleone | female belf huntah though |
| 23:16.10 | Maldivia | so much for midnight play ? |
| 23:16.10 | Napoleone | and magical 30th try comming up ;P |
| 23:16.26 | Legorol | Napoleone: damn, i just missed it then |
| 23:16.30 | Napoleone | uuuh should we check forums for trollers ? ;P |
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| 23:16.49 | Dagmar | Napoleone: nah I'm sure they're doin' fine |
| 23:16.52 | olafski | a guildie of mine just said on mumble that he's in |
| 23:17.03 | Napoleone | http://eu.battle.net/en/maintenance/ |
| 23:17.05 | Napoleone | hahahahah |
| 23:17.23 | syrae | Napoleone: hah Nice |
| 23:17.25 | Legorol | you know, the SC2 players must be pissed right now.. they couldn't care less about Cata |
| 23:17.31 | Amarande | Dagmar: you mean especially when leveling a female plate wearer through the 40s and 50s and getting a chest piece? LOL |
| 23:17.37 | Dagmar | it's been fifteen minutes now, so they're probably already up to the threatening class action lawsuits and declaring that being unable to login makes Blizzard into Hitler by now |
| 23:18.00 | Napoleone | they cant get to forums ;P |
| 23:18.06 | Dagmar | Even better! |
| 23:18.14 | aualin | I find it amusing |
| 23:18.18 | Maldivia | napoleone, they've done that with every release |
| 23:18.18 | Napoleone | ye same |
| 23:18.28 | aualin | I enjoy my visions of crying teenagers |
| 23:18.34 | Napoleone | yep lol |
| 23:18.36 | Napoleone | me2 |
| 23:18.38 | Dagmar | Oh it's the ten year olds that do it for me |
| 23:18.42 | Legorol | i wonder how did that person who already got max cooking manage to relog |
| 23:18.49 | Dagmar | Their cries are like the sweetest of violens |
| 23:18.53 | Dagmar | grrr violins. |
| 23:18.56 | Napoleone | probably didnt |
| 23:19.06 | Legorol | so the server message was untrue? |
| 23:19.08 | Napoleone | content ready and he just went to trainer |
| 23:19.13 | Napoleone | it was true |
| 23:19.13 | Legorol | hmm |
| 23:19.17 | Dagmar | I can't watch their ragequit videos on YouTube without laughing myself silly |
| 23:19.20 | Napoleone | but loginserver isnt friendly ;P |
| 23:19.39 | Legorol | ok, but didn't you say the message said relog to access content? |
| 23:19.44 | Napoleone | yep |
| 23:19.55 | Napoleone | to unlock the clients lvl cap and flight thing |
| 23:19.55 | Legorol | so then either the message was false, or he got very lucky with relog |
| 23:20.11 | Dagmar | Whoops |
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| 23:20.19 | aualin | Conspiracy theories :O |
| 23:20.21 | Legorol | :) |
| 23:20.22 | Dagmar | Since they can't get to the forums, they're hitting up Wowpedia |
| 23:20.24 | Dagmar | http://www.wowpedia.org/Alliance_bias |
| 23:21.06 | Dagmar | ...and http://www.wowpedia.org/Horde_bias |
| 23:21.16 | aualin | lol |
| 23:21.21 | aualin | Then i looked at horde bias |
| 23:21.49 | syrae | Dagmar: Blizzard hates the neutral factions. We never get anything cool like special starting zones. ;_; |
| 23:22.10 | Napoleone | lololol the diff lol |
| 23:22.13 | Adys | Who's online on EU? |
| 23:22.29 | Maldivia | noone |
| 23:22.31 | Maldivia | :P |
| 23:22.44 | TC-Work | many people |
| 23:22.52 | olafski | if anyone is I doubt they'll respond oO |
| 23:22.59 | nevcairiel | indeed :P |
| 23:23.53 | xqo | anyone in yet? |
| 23:23.54 | Amarande | nah, being unable to log in just means Blizzard fails at ensuring sufficient server capacity to meet the release rush |
| 23:23.59 | xqo | my friend says he's in |
| 23:24.04 | xqo | after being on success for 3 min |
| 23:24.12 | Napoleone | 41th time trying to connect |
| 23:24.13 | Adys | xqo: is anyone in hyjal? |
| 23:24.41 | Lulia | nevcairiel: I was also using OnMouseUp and OnMouseDown for my move stuff, instead of OnDragStart and OnDragStop, I don't know if that would cause an issue but I'm converting to those events instead. Except now the frame doesn't stop moving when I stop dragging it >.> |
| 23:24.48 | olafski | put my password on ctrl+v already :D |
| 23:24.53 | nevcairiel | Adys: there are |
| 23:25.44 | Napoleone | whoot got auth key |
| 23:25.52 | Napoleone | now a box with cancel and NO TEXT ;P |
| 23:25.56 | Napoleone | just gonna wait now lol |
| 23:26.26 | Lulia | Oh, I see why |
| 23:26.27 | Lulia | d'oh |
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| 23:26.41 | aualin | I just knew i should have waited till tomorrow |
| 23:26.46 | Maldivia | btw, I'm glad all you EU-realm players are beta testing the release for us playing on US |
| 23:26.51 | olafski | auth key? oO |
| 23:27.39 | Adys | Maldivia: really we're only beta testing the login servs :p |
| 23:27.51 | Napoleone | http://www.wowpedia.org/images/9/99/Pwned1wu.gif <--- MY WARRIOR ;P |
| 23:27.59 | aualin | If a zone wasn't enough, goblins get their own "capital city" with Bilgewater Harbor. Worgen were promised a puny district at Stormwind. However, seems "puny district" was too much for them, so they scrapped the district and changed it for a puny tree at Darnassus. |
| 23:28.00 | TMc51_ | Yeah, thanks to you great European players, we'll have a smooth release here in the states in a few hours. =) |
| 23:28.10 | olafski | or so you think |
| 23:28.14 | Adys | i really doubt it. |
| 23:28.20 | olafski | it's a small price to pay for all the beta testing you guys do on tuesdays ;) |
| 23:28.29 | Adys | the only thing not smooth about this is the load |
| 23:28.35 | nevcairiel | TMc51_: its just a capacity problem on the login servers, they cant just fix that |
| 23:28.51 | Fisker | nevcairiel |
| 23:29.02 | aualin | Blizzard should have hired a russian to tell them how you handle load. |
| 23:29.15 | TMc51_ | load handle you? |
| 23:29.30 | olafski | handle eet |
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| 23:31.06 | Fisker | i got in woo |
| 23:31.17 | Napoleone | Even neutral factions tend to favor the Horde in Cataclysm: |
| 23:31.34 | Napoleone | The Forsaken now uses Valkyr to ressurect new Undead, Bolvar does not do anything. <--- exept for keeping the scourge at bay mebbeh? |
| 23:31.49 | olafski | bad troll fisker :P |
| 23:31.59 | olafski | we all know you'd be busy changing your pants if you actually got in |
| 23:32.06 | Adys | Fisker: did you see the empty text box? |
| 23:32.07 | Lunessa | aualin: Hey, you got a tree! A place to pee, chase cats up, and bark up. quit yer bitchin'. :P |
| 23:32.12 | Napoleone | and killing a gnome player |
| 23:32.14 | aualin | :( |
| 23:32.19 | TC-Work | "ressurect new Undead" thats wrong on so many levels. |
| 23:32.28 | Napoleone | hehe |
| 23:32.36 | Napoleone | relive |
| 23:33.34 | Maldivia | reanimate |
| 23:33.41 | olafski | resurrect? |
| 23:34.04 | Napoleone | wouldnt ressurrect just put them back to the state before dieing ? ;P |
| 23:34.37 | olafski | just fixing a typo |
| 23:34.46 | Pneumatus | the empty text box appears to be the key to success |
| 23:35.20 | Napoleone | uuuh successs |
| 23:35.34 | Napoleone | now 3 min wait you say? |
| 23:36.01 | olafski | I've seen that empty box every time I got disconnected |
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| 23:36.10 | Napoleone | olafski just wait |
| 23:36.17 | olafski | as I said |
| 23:36.19 | Napoleone | its the box before success |
| 23:36.52 | Pneumatus | yeh, if you dont put your auth code in, you either get disconnected or you go to authenticator box -> blank box -> success |
| 23:37.11 | nevcairiel | so not putting in my authenticator is good? :P |
| 23:37.19 | Adys | no nevcairiel it doesnt matter |
| 23:37.20 | Maldivia | well, here's something to cheer you up while trying to connect http://fukung.net/v/30961/cc912c200259fa9a8a434fb7dc3b7a19.jpg |
| 23:37.21 | Napoleone | Pneumatus according to xqo it takes a few ins after success to let you in |
| 23:37.28 | Adys | ive been logging on three clients in parallel |
| 23:37.32 | Pneumatus | its less annoying if you dont put your auth code in |
| 23:37.37 | olafski | napoleone: or that could just be luck :P |
| 23:37.40 | Adys | the empty box has been sitting in on one of them for like 5 mins |
| 23:37.53 | Dagmar | Adys: Way to hog the login server, man |
| 23:37.56 | Napoleone | adys so did mine |
| 23:37.58 | Napoleone | just wait |
| 23:38.03 | Maldivia | realm first cookingis taken! |
| 23:38.08 | Napoleone | lol |
| 23:38.17 | Napoleone | Maldivia you in? |
| 23:38.47 | Maldivia | nope |
| 23:38.54 | Napoleone | armory? |
| 23:38.57 | Maldivia | my EU account isn't active |
| 23:39.00 | Lunessa | Maldivia: ZOMG, Double Rainbow Potential! WHAT DOES IT MEAN? |
| 23:39.08 | Napoleone | lololol |
| 23:39.17 | Maldivia | Napoleone: I just have connections :P |
| 23:39.29 | Napoleone | hehe |
| 23:39.53 | Napoleone | http://fukung.net/v/13278/4efe1e92cec777267d1f78f1ac2471ea.jpg soo true |
| 23:40.02 | xqo | Success! god damnit let me in already! |
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| 23:40.38 | Fisker | my guild is level 2 |
| 23:40.40 | Fisker | >:3 |
| 23:40.51 | Adys | login serv is starting to get better |
| 23:40.59 | aualin | I wish i could set my alarm clock to ring when i can login |
| 23:41.00 | nevcairiel | doesnt seem like it here |
| 23:41.02 | Napoleone | http://fukung.net/v/19462/george_bush_biggest_disaster.jpg <-- lol nice |
| 23:41.27 | Maldivia | Adys: to paraphrase "the traffic is crazy" :P |
| 23:41.36 | Napoleone | 6 mins on success give up? |
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| 23:42.20 | Adys | Im in \o/ |
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| 23:42.42 | Napoleone | logging to game server |
| 23:42.44 | Napoleone | whooot |
| 23:43.22 | Napoleone | 45 mins in login face lol |
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| 23:44.29 | Adys | and fyi: heirlooms dont work at lvl 80 indeed |
| 23:44.42 | Maldivia | they said they didnt |
| 23:44.43 | Napoleone | i dont see why not actually they suck at 80 |
| 23:44.49 | Napoleone | so why not that sacrafice? |
| 23:44.58 | Adys | Maldivia: i dont trust blizzard when it's about knowing their own game mechanics |
| 23:44.59 | Napoleone | fisker |
| 23:45.02 | Napoleone | large guild? |
| 23:45.13 | msoul | anyone else having issues with the login screen on eu |
| 23:45.19 | nevcairiel | nope, just you |
| 23:45.24 | Napoleone | msoul just be patient |
| 23:45.30 | nevcairiel | and everyone else :P |
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| 23:45.33 | Napoleone | a few ;) |
| 23:45.34 | Maldivia | Adys: hehe |
| 23:45.38 | msoul | takes a deep nreath |
| 23:45.39 | msoul | breath |
| 23:45.54 | msoul | nevcairiel: don't worry didn't purchaee it digitally |
| 23:45.57 | msoul | so no rage! :p |
| 23:46.08 | Napoleone | well they had a server announcement |
| 23:46.14 | Napoleone | relog client for content update |
| 23:46.18 | nevcairiel | empty textbox hooray |
| 23:46.22 | Napoleone | bam no way to get in ;P |
| 23:46.24 | msoul | I want to remember the moment I bought one of my fav games when I went early morning getting it |
| 23:46.30 | msoul | used to play with a big big clan |
| 23:46.34 | msoul | FPS |
| 23:46.39 | Napoleone | nev after empty when you get success you are trying on realm ;P |
| 23:46.50 | nevcairiel | i know, but not getting to success yet <.< |
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| 23:46.51 | msoul | used to be a game admin/forum moderator on gamebattles too |
| 23:47.12 | aualin | I got in <3 |
| 23:47.18 | Napoleone | aualin DAM YOU |
| 23:47.31 | msoul | Adys: you in babe? |
| 23:47.35 | Adys | ya |
| 23:47.37 | olafski | imagine the quest areas in about 15 minutes :P |
| 23:47.42 | msoul | and on irc too?! |
| 23:47.45 | olafski | people getting in now are ahead! |
| 23:47.53 | msoul | haha |
| 23:47.58 | nevcairiel | success! |
| 23:48.00 | olafski | I'm glad I decided to do archaeology.. no competition :) |
| 23:48.17 | msoul | :o |
| 23:48.36 | msoul | to be honest with you |
| 23:48.52 | msoul | I don't know much about this profession, I just know there is a wep that will be bount to account |
| 23:48.54 | msoul | bound |
| 23:49.04 | nevcairiel | there are some fun toys in it |
| 23:49.05 | olafski | several |
| 23:49.09 | olafski | zinrokh looks nice :P |
| 23:49.23 | msoul | I bet there are several items I just know of the wep story :-) |
| 23:49.25 | olafski | also a lot of flavor items |
| 23:49.30 | olafski | at least 2 mounts, 2 pets |
| 23:49.31 | Maldivia | anyway, good night everyone, and have fun :P |
| 23:49.36 | olafski | some items that transform you into something else |
| 23:49.43 | olafski | nn maldivia |
| 23:49.48 | TC-Work | olafski: i assume that comment about archaeology is a joke? |
| 23:50.06 | olafski | msoul: http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/604-Archaeology-Cataclysm |
| 23:50.10 | msoul | olafski: like the wizard hat/deviate savory and the like? |
| 23:50.11 | olafski | tc-work: what comment? |
| 23:50.18 | olafski | msoul: yeah something like that I guess |
| 23:50.22 | nevcairiel | you will have competition :p |
| 23:50.25 | olafski | I don't really care for transforming into other stuff |
| 23:50.26 | TC-Work | "olafski>I'm glad I decided to do archaeology.. no competition :)" |
| 23:50.27 | olafski | nevcairiel: why's that? |
| 23:50.38 | olafski | no mobs to fight over, no instance server full etc |
| 23:50.39 | nevcairiel | because in WoW, there always is competition |
| 23:50.54 | olafski | worst case someone will grief me with a mammoth standing on my digsite :P |
| 23:50.55 | TC-Work | everyone has their own map thinys |
| 23:51.01 | nevcairiel | in! |
| 23:51.02 | TC-Work | there is no competition |
| 23:51.02 | Napoleone | dig sites |
| 23:51.06 | TC-Work | yes, that |
| 23:51.08 | olafski | success :) |
| 23:51.17 | olafski | tc-work: hence why I'm going for arch |
| 23:51.19 | Napoleone | olaf now you are on realm login ;P |
| 23:51.24 | olafski | I know napoleone |
| 23:51.26 | olafski | but thanks ;) |
| 23:51.36 | msoul | olafski: nice indeed |
| 23:52.01 | msoul | only professions I like are enchanting/engineering though |
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| 23:52.09 | msoul | and alchemy now for the mount :P |
| 23:52.14 | Xyphoid_ | i'm kind of tempted to spend day 1 just herbing and bunging it on the AH |
| 23:52.18 | msoul | my shaman will love it, so is my dk :D |
| 23:52.45 | Cairenn | YAYAYAYAYAY!!!!! HEAT! |
| 23:52.48 | msoul | Xyphoid_: prices won't drop though for later |
| 23:52.52 | Zasurus | YEY I'm IN! |
| 23:52.58 | msoul | it will be cheaper yes but not that much |
| 23:53.01 | Napoleone | anyone heard: runrig - in scandinavian |
| 23:53.29 | msoul | <== in one of the sca countries |
| 23:53.41 | Napoleone | <--- dk here, born in norway ;P |
| 23:53.57 | msoul | So Ebon hold? |
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| 23:54.36 | Napoleone | everyone but me getting in |
| 23:54.38 | Yssaril | anyone else order from amazon(did it ship yet if you did)? |
| 23:54.39 | Napoleone | fusterating lol |
| 23:54.44 | msoul | Napoleone: I didn't get in |
| 23:54.49 | olafski | whoo in, cya :) |
| 23:55.05 | msoul | May the Force be with you ol |
| 23:55.08 | msoul | olafski |
| 23:57.08 | Napoleone | what servers you on? |
| 23:57.17 | msoul | kazzak |
| 23:58.28 | Napoleone | 1 hour of loggin in almost lol |
| 23:59.08 | olafski | so.. is the guild XP cap really at 50% of level 1 :/ |
| 23:59.16 | Napoleone | fisker has lvl 2 |
| 23:59.28 | olafski | or so he says |
| 23:59.50 | Napoleone | i dont know if its 50% or 33% |
