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| 00:04.59 | rosco762 | I have a question about te auto loot addon |
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| 00:05.36 | Nobgul | yer |
| 00:06.10 | rosco762 | I have went form elwyn to outland but all I am loting is big candle? |
| 00:06.44 | rosco762 | it will sow the items and then they turn ito big candles right befor ei loot them |
| 00:08.31 | Kraps | wildly appears! |
| 00:08.41 | zenzelezz | it's not very effective |
| 00:08.55 | rosco762 | What do yuo mean? |
| 00:09.04 | zenzelezz | was talking to Kraps |
| 00:09.07 | rosco762 | oh |
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| 00:09.30 | rosco762 | great 3 undead rouges just appeared 40 ft away |
| 00:09.42 | rosco762 | and they disapered again |
| 00:09.47 | Kraps | zenzelezz is dissapoint! |
| 00:10.12 | rosco762 | and now guess whos dead |
| 00:10.25 | airtonix | your dog |
| 00:10.36 | airtonix | and your enter key |
| 00:10.45 | Kraps | your cat? |
| 00:10.56 | rosco762 | no he had a weird episode last night but he's okay |
| 00:11.10 | airtonix | no im pretty sure this dead dog in front of me is yours |
| 00:11.37 | rosco762 | what does his collar say? |
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| 00:12.12 | airtonix | "asset23231113" |
| 00:12.43 | rosco762 | thaT'S HIM |
| 00:12.52 | Dagmar | Ah just target him in the console and do a resurrect. He'll be just fine. |
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| 00:13.09 | rosco762 | I'm a tank dk? |
| 00:13.23 | rosco762 | and my healer just left |
| 00:13.31 | airtonix | reroll hunter |
| 00:13.49 | rosco762 | How does everyone knoe my name!? |
| 00:14.12 | airtonix | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:14.35 | Kraps | hey at least its not tsa |
| 00:18.28 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: yo |
| 00:18.47 | Amarande | Hmm. Wonder if healers are going to be the bottleneck in the queue in level 80-85 dungeons. |
| 00:18.48 | Monolit | mmeh, is it still possible to powerlevel the charracter to 60 via invite a friend thingie? |
| 00:18.53 | Monolit | or whatevver it called |
| 00:19.00 | airtonix | no |
| 00:19.17 | Amarande | Monolit: it takes little enough time to get to 60 as it is now |
| 00:19.31 | Monolit | :( |
| 00:19.41 | airtonix | powerleveling is illegal |
| 00:19.51 | airtonix | calls the cops |
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| 00:20.02 | Dagmar | They're gonna put a star by your name for sure. |
| 00:20.45 | Kraps | who? |
| 00:20.46 | Monolit | Amarande: tanks will be |
| 00:21.24 | Amarande | Monolit: actually, I'd expect more tanks than healers this time around |
| 00:21.33 | Amarande | mainly because mobs do so much more damage in cata, or so we're told |
| 00:21.46 | Amarande | this would encourage people who can be tanks to do so, as it will help them while questing |
| 00:21.49 | Monolit | I wouldn't put my money on it tho |
| 00:21.50 | Monolit | :) |
| 00:21.51 | Amarande | while it will make questing as a healer even more painful |
| 00:22.17 | airtonix | i always expect more lvl3 gnomes, dwarves and nake male night elves begging for gold |
| 00:22.23 | Amarande | I'm going to guess cats and enhance shamans are going to take a nosedive in popularity pre 85, too |
| 00:22.32 | smcn | it basically just means you can't aoe 10 mobs at a time |
| 00:22.35 | Monolit | kinda bs reason since every hybrid has 2 specs now and every sane hybrid will have some usefull tank/healing offspec |
| 00:22.36 | Monolit | :) |
| 00:22.46 | smcn | you could solo in a healing spec easily |
| 00:23.02 | Monolit | yeah but it's slow tho |
| 00:23.48 | airtonix | you were doing it wrong then |
| 00:24.08 | Amarande | As for cats and enhance shamans becoming unpopular? Well, that would be simple. |
| 00:24.22 | Amarande | The dungeon finder strongly encourages you to take a tank or healing spec while leveling. |
| 00:24.45 | Amarande | Therefore, if you're leveling a shaman, you're probably going to go resto/something so you can get easy queues for faster xp, right? |
| 00:25.03 | Amarande | Which means you're going to go resto/ele, because you probably don't want to have to maintain two full sets of gear the whole way. :) |
| 00:25.04 | Monolit | that's my point yeap |
| 00:25.31 | Amarande | come to think of it, I already barely ever see enh shamans anymore |
| 00:25.35 | Lulia | Well, Amarande, then we wont see a lot of Fury or Arms warriors or a lot of Ret pallies or a lot of Frost or Unholy DKs by that argument |
| 00:25.49 | Monolit | by the level 83 you will change 90% of your awesome epic gear to green/blues |
| 00:25.56 | Amarande | Lulia: with the warriors and DKs, probably will see them. |
| 00:26.02 | Nobgul | Ermm i dunno about the gear statment. |
| 00:26.05 | Monolit | so gathering 2 sets won't be a problem at least for leveling :) |
| 00:26.08 | Amarande | because that's melee/melee dual speccing |
| 00:26.09 | Nobgul | I would agree with more like 60% |
| 00:26.20 | Amarande | the reason you wouldn't see enhance shamans much, is because if you're going to have a resto dual spec for dungeons, you need gear for it. |
| 00:26.23 | Lulia | Amarande: Not according to your logic |
| 00:26.23 | Dagmar | I'll probably start changing mine out as they hand me stat-appropriate gear |
| 00:26.32 | Dagmar | Just because greens are a hell of a lot cheaper to repair |
| 00:26.32 | Lulia | Because they would be encouraged to take a tank spec |
| 00:26.47 | Amarande | If you're in resto gear, you'll probably solo decently as ele, too, but you'll do terrible as enh. |
| 00:27.33 | Amarande | Dagmar: isn't the repair cost also affected by ilvl, though? |
| 00:29.13 | Amarande | You probably won't see a lot of Ret pallies, because most pallies I've talked to seem to find that ret has become a fairly anemic performer since the patch. |
| 00:29.13 | Dagmar | Yeah but not as much |
| 00:29.35 | Dagmar | My repair bills were _always_ cheaper than most people's when I was doing Kara because I was very sensibly wearing whatever maxed out my attack power |
| 00:29.43 | Dagmar | ...which was a lot of greens. |
| 00:29.58 | Amarande | Also, Prot has always been a favorite for soloing as well as for instances. |
| 00:31.06 | Amarande | Cats might depend. I'm going to guess that resto druids probably will dual boomkin and bears will dual cat |
| 00:31.13 | Amarande | at least while leveling |
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| 00:41.44 | xqo | if you faction change from horde to alliance you lose all your Sunreaver-reputation. But do you still get to keep the achievements? like Exalted Argent Champion and stuff? also can you still use the Argent Crusader's Tabard? |
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| 00:47.41 | cbreak | argent crusade is a faction that is available to both alliance and horde |
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| 00:50.20 | Hirsute | Exalted Argent Champion requires you to be exalted with all your faction cities, however. You don't lose the Argent Crusade rep, but you do lose the faction cities rep, I think the question hangs on whether that rep is converted to rep for the new faction's cities, or if it is simply lost. |
| 00:50.49 | cbreak | don't you just get corresponding other factions? |
| 00:50.56 | Hirsute | I have no idea. |
| 00:51.37 | zenzelezz | Sunreavers and that-other-one, are they counted as Argent Tournament rep or "WotLK-faction" rep? |
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| 00:52.10 | Amarande | hmmm. did they add an inscription trainer to Shattrath yet or do I have to teleport back to Ironforge for that? |
| 00:52.55 | Amarande | I know they added AH's to Shattrath |
| 00:55.18 | Nobgul | Amarande, im showing multi trainers in shat for insc |
| 00:55.33 | Nobgul | 2 of them . |
| 00:55.46 | Nobgul | In on eich tier aldor and scryer |
| 00:57.00 | Amarande | hmmm ... sooo ... 58, 60, or 62 to go to Outland this time |
| 00:57.44 | Amarande | most likely 62, maybe 60, I'm guessing. |
| 00:57.49 | Hirsute | 58 |
| 00:57.52 | Nobgul | I always try to go there at 60. If i go early i always seem to be craped out for quests |
| 00:58.19 | Amarande | Not 58, since I'll probably ding 56 in a bit, which means one more zone before Outland at least. With the clip at which I've been dinging I'm surely going to be at least 59-60 by the time I finish the next zone. |
| 00:58.45 | Hirsute | Well, maybe 60 or 62, now that leveling and zones have been revised, hadn't thought of that. |
| 00:58.46 | Amarande | and with 1-60 having zone based loremaster achievements now too, I tend to stick to my usual of staying in the zone until I finish the zone quest achievement before I move on |
| 00:59.13 | Amarande | plus the 700-800xp per herb gather, and there's been TONS of herbs lately |
| 00:59.20 | Amarande | I guess not many people on Silvermoon take herbalism heh |
| 00:59.49 | zenzelezz | US? |
| 00:59.54 | Amarande | Yeah. |
| 00:59.57 | Amarande | 60 or 62, I suppose depends. One, I'm definitely not going to Outland until I've got enough mats to hit 300 inscription, so I don't have to back and farm. |
| 01:00.05 | Amarande | Two, as a mage, there's an incentive to hit 62 before you go to Outland. |
| 01:00.06 | zenzelezz | is that a high-population server? |
| 01:00.09 | Amarande | It is. |
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| 01:06.38 | Amarande | omg |
| 01:06.41 | Amarande | you can queue for UBRS now |
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| 01:09.16 | zenzelezz | Amarande: now you can finally attune those alts to BWL |
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| 01:13.32 | Amarande | zenzelezz: is that quest still in? |
| 01:13.52 | zenzelezz | no idea |
| 01:14.03 | zenzelezz | probably not |
| 01:15.04 | Kraps | ubrs was a raid? |
| 01:15.14 | zenzelezz | 10-man |
| 01:15.25 | Kraps | now 5 i guess? |
| 01:21.41 | cbreak | wasn't it 15 man? |
| 01:21.41 | Amarande | Actually UBRS could accommodate up to 15 |
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| 01:21.53 | kd3 | originally |
| 01:21.57 | kd3 | then the cap got reduced to 10 |
| 01:22.03 | Amarande | So could LBRS for that matter ... but all LBRS and a few UBRS quests are Dungeon rather than Raid and so must be 5-manned |
| 01:22.13 | kd3 | much like how strat/solo could be raids (and still wipe) until they capped them at 5 |
| 01:22.28 | kd3 | scholo* |
| 01:25.02 | cbreak | scholo was only 10 man though. |
| 01:25.32 | zenzelezz | those should all have been at their current caps all along |
| 01:25.40 | zenzelezz | their size was not right for bigger groups |
| 01:25.55 | zenzelezz | I remember going UBRS with 15 people, I could barely see what was going on; same with 10 in Scholo |
| 01:26.36 | cbreak | yeah, but see the good side |
| 01:26.48 | cbreak | no one could see that it was YOU who pulled the spectators |
| 01:26.57 | Nobgul | Lulia, you still around |
| 01:26.57 | zenzelezz | hahaha :) |
| 01:30.59 | Shirik | I have successfully confused my UI |
| 01:31.11 | Shirik | I just spent the last 5 minutes running around this ? on my minimap trying to turn in a quest |
| 01:32.17 | Shirik | When I finally looked at my quest log saying "ok where the hell is this guy" I got http://images.gammatester.com/pics/52fb309f585292104a307ced01b718e2.jpg |
| 01:34.09 | haste_ | gj having a quest from before the shattering |
| 01:34.12 | ccox | just met a NPC hunter named "tednug" and his pet cat "scratchfever" |
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| 01:34.25 | Kraps | ccox: old |
| 01:34.33 | Shirik | I don't get it |
| 01:34.36 | ccox | might be, but I hadn't seen it before |
| 01:35.08 | Kraps | ccox: i meant its since the shattering :p |
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| 01:35.34 | ccox | oh, gee a whole 5 days old! |
| 01:35.39 | Kraps | Shirik: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=20677329926 |
| 01:35.42 | haste_ | Shirik: quests from the shattering quest pool can't be completed/done anymore |
| 01:35.49 | Kraps | it was in the beta! |
| 01:35.59 | Shirik | IS that what it was from? |
| 01:36.01 | Shirik | I don't remember |
| 01:37.08 | haste_ | most likely |
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| 01:37.39 | rosco762 | Don't look now, but I'm back. |
| 01:38.07 | rosco762 | So, cata quest, can't do em anymore |
| 01:38.24 | rosco762 | I thought the chain was called elemental invasion |
| 01:38.50 | Kraps | yeah so? |
| 01:39.01 | rosco762 | OH I have a question |
| 01:39.01 | Kraps | they finished invading |
| 01:39.34 | rosco762 | Do gold farms work? And are they safe? |
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| 01:39.39 | Kraps | http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PunchClockVillain |
| 01:41.34 | rosco762 | So now i'm being ignored |
| 01:42.16 | Nobgul | 0_o |
| 01:42.24 | logistic | rosco762: in any channel, other users have the right to ignore you and complaining about it is a good way to get in trouble |
| 01:42.48 | Nobgul | I think that the irc channel rules state that we are a official wow fan site so we have to abide by the rules. and talking about those type of things is a no no. |
| 01:42.55 | Kraps | ok then |
| 01:43.06 | Nobgul | But that is just a wide guess |
| 01:43.19 | Kraps | rosco762: what exactly do you mean by "gold farm"? |
| 01:43.19 | Kemayo | Shirik: That was the quest gained by looting a "mysterious object" after closing an elemental rift. |
| 01:44.32 | logistic | rosco762: I didn't see your question as I just joined the channel, but a more productive thing to do would be to ask if there is any clarification you could provide in order to assist other users in answering your question; however, it could be that no active user in the channel knows the answer. |
| 01:48.01 | SqueeG | gold farms? :p |
| 01:48.11 | SqueeG | is gold a crop now? |
| 01:48.33 | cbreak | logistic: rosco762 seems to be braindead. I doubt he can parse your three line message. |
| 01:48.48 | Cide1 | is SqueeG funny now? |
| 01:48.55 | SqueeG | aw |
| 01:49.01 | SqueeG | that hurts.... that hurts deep |
| 01:49.09 | SqueeG | why ya gotta cut me so bad cide? |
| 01:51.02 | SqueeG | Sandscraper needs to respawn faster |
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| 01:51.27 | Gitt | anyone know of a site that has all of the wow textures? |
| 01:51.33 | logistic | I don't have a wowpedia user, could someone please edit this page and change the 30000 to 40000? http://www.wowpedia.org/Getting_started_with_writing_addons#TOC_File |
| 01:52.22 | Nobgul | Gitt: 1 sec i think i have a link for ya. |
| 01:52.43 | Gitt | Nobgul: thanks |
| 01:54.14 | Nobgul | I don't seem to have it in my list. Sorry thought i did. |
| 01:54.32 | Gitt | damn, I thought wowwiki, and/or wowpedia had them, but I can't locate them |
| 01:54.57 | Gitt | I have the developer kit, but they're all blp's, and I just don't even want to spend hours sorting through blp's |
| 01:55.00 | Nobgul | Someone in here linked a while ago. I think wowprogramming may have them |
| 01:55.05 | Gitt | especially since I'm on a mac atm |
| 01:55.24 | Nobgul | http://wowprogramming.com/utils/artbrowser |
| 01:55.25 | Nobgul | ^^ |
| 01:55.26 | logistic | References to $parent within child-frames of a template will evaluate to the name of the frame ultimately (through multiple levels of inheritence) inheriting the template, correct? |
| 01:55.50 | Gitt | upi |
| 01:55.54 | Gitt | you're my hero! |
| 01:55.56 | Gitt | thanks Nobgul |
| 01:55.58 | Nobgul | np |
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| 01:58.59 | logistic | So <Frame virtual="true" name="T1"><Frames><Frame name="$parent_C" /></Frames><Frame virtual="true" name="T2" inherits="T1" /><Frame name="concrete" inherits="T2"/> |
| 01:59.00 | logistic | evaluates to <Frame name="concrete"><Frames><Frame name="concrete_C" /></Frames></Frame> |
| 02:01.43 | dardack | some how i just stayed logged into wow for like 3hrs |
| 02:02.17 | logistic | I wonder if Blizzard will make an addon store like SC2's announced custom map store |
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| 02:08.30 | Kraps | why is it called an xbox 360? |
| 02:08.48 | logistic | because when you see it you turb 360? and walk away |
| 02:09.06 | Cide1 | hi Adys |
| 02:09.07 | Kraps | yup |
| 02:09.13 | Adys | hi Cide1 |
| 02:09.21 | Cide1 | sup |
| 02:09.28 | Adys | not much you |
| 02:09.42 | Cide1 | missing you |
| 02:09.46 | Adys | aww |
| 02:09.55 | Adys | feast on Kalroth meanwhile |
| 02:10.12 | Kalroth | readies his left nipple |
| 02:10.19 | logistic | is there anyway to put saved variables on multiple lines in the .toc file? |
| 02:10.19 | Kraps | DUDE DONT SAY THINGS LIKE THAT |
| 02:11.56 | ccox | It is kinda sad that shirik doesn't recognize a reference to Ted Nugent and his famous song. |
| 02:12.05 | Shirik | the what now? |
| 02:12.13 | ccox | But then Shirik hasn't started shaving yet, so maybe we can forgive him. |
| 02:12.29 | Shirik | :( |
| 02:12.57 | Nobgul | logistic: Why would you even wanna do that? |
| 02:13.18 | logistic | Nobgul: because I have very long names and it's hard to read them when they are all on one line |
| 02:13.40 | Nobgul | I don't think so only savedvars and savedvarspercharchter |
| 02:13.49 | Kraps | anyone play Eulforia? |
| 02:13.59 | Nobgul | SavedVariablesPerCharacter: and SavedVariables: |
| 02:14.04 | Nobgul | They can be on diff lines |
| 02:14.27 | logistic | Nobgul: that's not what I'm asking |
| 02:14.32 | logistic | I want to do something like |
| 02:14.52 | logistic | ## SavedVariables: SavedVariableOne \ |
| 02:14.52 | logistic | , SavedVariableTwo |
| 02:15.37 | logistic | (I stole that syntax from C preprocessor macros) |
| 02:16.32 | cbreak | no |
| 02:16.35 | logistic | if only Blizzard would actually document things so I wouldn't have to check three websites and only get documentation half the time |
| 02:16.44 | cbreak | maybe you can use several SavedVariables |
| 02:17.06 | logistic | cbreak: I understand what you mean, I'll try that later |
| 02:20.56 | logistic | How can I make sure frames get garbage collected? |
| 02:21.19 | logistic | Also, how do I remove them from their parent safely? will SetParent(nil) suffice? |
| 02:21.34 | Nobgul | ~pil |
| 02:21.35 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 02:22.13 | logistic | I'm asking something specific about the WoW API. I know lua has automatic garbage collection but I don't know where the WoW API stores references to frames. |
| 02:22.32 | cbreak | it's not semi automatic, it's fully automatic |
| 02:22.32 | logistic | Reading about lua wont help me with this problem |
| 02:22.45 | cbreak | frames will NOT get GCed |
| 02:22.51 | logistic | cbreak: It can only garbage collect something if there are no references to it |
| 02:22.54 | cbreak | since they exist outside lua |
| 02:22.57 | Nobgul|AFK | I hit the wrong mirc script line. |
| 02:23.04 | logistic | cbreak: how do I delete them? |
| 02:23.05 | Nobgul|AFK | Ment to go afk. |
| 02:23.11 | cbreak | logistic: /console reloadui |
| 02:23.15 | logistic | cbreak: I'm creating frames on demand, I don't want a memory leak! |
| 02:23.28 | cbreak | logistic: too bad. |
| 02:23.34 | logistic | darn it, I guess I have to cache and reuse them |
| 02:23.40 | cbreak | wow has no means of deleting them short of reloading the whole UI |
| 02:23.44 | cbreak | exactly |
| 02:23.54 | cbreak | same with textures btw |
| 02:23.58 | cbreak | (I think ;) |
| 02:24.33 | logistic | couldn't they have just provided a frame:Delete() method? This is a tremendous oversight |
| 02:25.00 | logistic | well, they don't seem to care about addon developers much |
| 02:25.34 | Nobgul|AFK | Only well enough to give us free passes to blizcon and free beta access. As well as the other perks they give the fansite owners =P |
| 02:27.17 | logistic | how do you get free passes to blizzcon? |
| 02:27.33 | logistic | I sort of half developed an addon and am working on another |
| 02:32.06 | logistic | Nobgul|AFK: How do you get free blizcon passes? |
| 02:32.28 | Cide1 | he stated it in the very same message.. |
| 02:32.49 | Kraps | no Cide1 |
| 02:32.56 | Cide1 | yes Kraps |
| 02:33.01 | Kraps | no Cide1 |
| 02:33.06 | Cide1 | yes |
| 02:33.33 | logistic | Cidel: He said by being an addon developer, but I don't know how addon developers apply for them |
| 02:33.33 | rosco762 | Holy crap! |
| 02:33.54 | Torhal | logistic: Why are you using multiple SavedVariables, rather than creating a single one and making it a table with members? |
| 02:34.07 | logistic | Torhal: ... you can do that? |
| 02:34.13 | Torhal | Yes. |
| 02:34.23 | logistic | Torhal: uh... good idea |
| 02:34.27 | rosco762 | Excuse me? |
| 02:34.56 | Kraps | logistic: blizz give a bunch to the addon admins and they give them out |
| 02:35.11 | Kraps | rosco762: what |
| 02:35.30 | rosco762 | Can someone teach me how to make addons? |
| 02:35.47 | Torhal | rosco762: http://www.wowprogramming.com |
| 02:35.50 | Torhal | Also: |
| 02:35.52 | Torhal | ~pil |
| 02:35.52 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 02:37.01 | Kraps | rosco762: why? |
| 02:37.11 | Nobgul | rosco762: We don;t have a problem helping you when you have a question. But "teaching" how to make a addon is a huge thing. I suggest that you take apart your favorite addon to see how it works. |
| 02:37.17 | logistic | Kraps: so how do they recognize addon admins? |
| 02:38.13 | Kraps | logistic: i mean admins of addon websites |
| 02:38.39 | logistic | Kraps: Nobgul implied they give them to addon developers |
| 02:38.42 | Torhal | logistic: Web sites can apply to become Official Fansites. |
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| 02:39.04 | logistic | yes, but addon developers don't necessarily have their own websites |
| 02:39.06 | Torhal | Blizzard gives the admins of said sites free beta keys and whatnot, which they then give to AddOn devs |
| 02:39.14 | logistic | ah |
| 02:39.18 | Torhal | WoWInterface and Curse are fansites. |
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| 02:39.21 | rosco762 | Sorry my computer froze can you type the URL gain Kraps |
| 02:39.28 | kd3 | ~pil |
| 02:39.28 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 02:39.39 | logistic | kd3: That was not necessary |
| 02:39.53 | kd3 | also, not for you logistic |
| 02:40.14 | rosco762 | About how long is this book |
| 02:40.21 | Kraps | lolwat |
| 02:40.27 | logistic | kd3: oh, sorry |
| 02:41.03 | logistic | so, if you develop high quality addons for a site like curse, their likely to give you a blizcon key? |
| 02:41.12 | logistic | they're likely* |
| 02:41.23 | Kraps | yes |
| 02:41.51 | Torhal | rosco762: If that's seriously what you're worried about, I'd say give up before you start. |
| 02:41.58 | Nobgul | Lol. |
| 02:42.22 | Nobgul | Well there is a simple question. rosco762: Do you know any other programming languages? |
| 02:42.23 | Komodo- | that book by the deadly boss mods guy any good? |
| 02:42.45 | Komodo- | noticed the first couple hundred pages were on google books for free |
| 02:42.50 | Komodo- | not checked it out yet tho :o |
| 02:43.29 | Kraps | Torhal: he wants to go to blizzcon, dont be mean :( |
| 02:43.44 | Torhal | Kraps: DOn't make me Fisker you. |
| 02:43.55 | Nobgul | hehe |
| 02:44.02 | rosco762 | I'm jk |
| 02:44.19 | rosco762 | I have way too much time i can read however long it it |
| 02:44.24 | rosco762 | it is* |
| 02:44.54 | Nobgul | Well there is a simple question. rosco762: Do you know any other programming languages? |
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| 02:45.43 | logistic | I'm trying to add a script to a Frame, but it's saying "... doesn't have a "OnEscapePressed" script" |
| 02:45.57 | rosco762 | Nope i dont even know this one. |
| 02:46.05 | rosco762 | Is it a saveable file? |
| 02:46.11 | Torhal | !api OnEscapePressed |
| 02:46.12 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'OnEscapePressed'. |
| 02:46.21 | rosco762 | That I can put on a thumb drive? |
| 02:46.35 | MentalPower | I don't think OnEscapePressed is an event... |
| 02:46.41 | Torhal | logistic: http://wowprogramming.com/docs/scripts/OnEscapePressed |
| 02:46.41 | logistic | oh, it only works for EditFrames |
| 02:46.54 | Kraps | the game alpha protocol doesnt have an "OnEscapePressed" script |
| 02:46.54 | Torhal | MentalPower: It's an EditBox script |
| 02:46.57 | logistic | why does gearscore try to use it on a normal frame -_- |
| 02:46.59 | Kraps | hides |
| 02:47.07 | kd3 | bites his tongue |
| 02:47.13 | Torhal | logistic: Because GearScore is utter shit? |
| 02:47.22 | rosco762 | pulls kraps out of the corner and calms him down |
| 02:47.29 | logistic | lol, true. I'm the one who found that bug a while back that got it banned for a while |
| 02:47.51 | Nobgul | rosco762: NO logistic: Err |
| 02:48.12 | logistic | I reported it on the addon forums so it could be fixed, but the developer seems to have not got the message before Blizzard deleted my post and someone reposted it to an exploit site |
| 02:48.15 | rosco762 | Why say no rather than erase what yu had? |
| 02:48.39 | logistic | and then idiots used it in battlegrounds and caused a big mess |
| 02:49.01 | Nobgul | what? I answered you both at the same time. You asked a question. |
| 02:49.08 | rosco762 | I wih you could use mounts in arsong |
| 02:49.12 | rosco762 | warsomg* |
| 02:49.23 | kd3 | hokay. trying to get back to a regular wake/sleep cycle (yay having to wake up when I normally go to sleep; 12hr "jetlag") |
| 02:49.24 | MentalPower | ~fail rosco762 |
| 02:49.24 | purl | rosco762, you Fail! |
| 02:49.27 | MentalPower | :) |
| 02:49.39 | rosco762 | I don't type as well as i should |
| 02:49.47 | Nobgul | rosco762: Wernt you in here talking about your dog last night? |
| 02:49.48 | Kraps | type slower |
| 02:50.07 | rosco762 | Yes i was and that take more time kraps |
| 02:50.16 | Nobgul | 0_O |
| 02:50.24 | Kraps | no one is in a rush |
| 02:50.34 | rosco762 | He's ok don't worry Nobgul |
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| 02:51.04 | rosco762 | I don't exacly have all the time in the world |
| 02:51.37 | Kraps | you gotta chill man |
| 02:51.46 | Kraps | like take it easy |
| 02:51.51 | rosco762 | sits there stubbornly and pouts |
| 02:52.15 | rosco762 | Hey, i am on 5 late's atm |
| 02:52.29 | Kraps | nah bro, you're killin my vibe man |
| 02:52.33 | rosco762 | And I think I just ate a pumpkin pie |
| 02:52.48 | rosco762 | uch a yummy pie |
| 02:53.25 | Kraps | i'm actually playing this chill game right here http://store.steampowered.com/app/41210/ |
| 02:53.45 | Kraps | its got like trees and stuff |
| 02:54.05 | Torhal | Fisker: You have competition. |
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| 02:57.01 | logistic | rosco762: Learning your first programming language is always the hardest and it will require persistence. I suggest you start by learning the lua programming language outside of WoW. |
| 02:57.10 | logistic | rosco762: try #lua for advice |
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| 03:00.16 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v bluspacecow] by ChanServ |
| 03:01.29 | bluspacecow | torchlight or wow , torchlight or wow |
| 03:02.56 | rosco762 | WOW that chill gam ereally helped kraps |
| 03:02.59 | logistic | anyone know how to safely test if a key is ESC? |
| 03:03.11 | logistic | in an OnKeyDown handler |
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| 03:03.27 | Kraps | bluspacecow: depends what view you want to smash faces and collect loot in |
| 03:03.44 | bluspacecow | I Fisker killed a man once |
| 03:03.54 | bluspacecow | so i might do TL for a while |
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| 03:05.18 | Jamash | I TL? |
| 03:05.28 | Jamash | s/I/what is/ |
| 03:06.43 | bluspacecow | Torchlight |
| 03:08.02 | Jamash | oh, yeah |
| 03:11.42 | rosco762 | ~pil |
| 03:11.42 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 03:12.06 | rosco762 | Sorry forgot URL |
| 03:12.19 | Torhal | logistic: frame:SetScript("OnKeyDown", function(self, key) if key == KEY_ESC then do something end end) |
| 03:13.47 | logistic | Torhal: thanks, I was using ESCAPE but I wanted the non-locale version |
| 03:13.58 | rosco762 | ~100.456/9.8 |
| 03:13.58 | purl | 10.250612244898 |
| 03:14.14 | rosco762 | That thing helps out a ton |
| 03:14.31 | Nobgul | Yes it does. We try not to abuse poor purl though. |
| 03:14.52 | rosco762 | Is it a real person |
| 03:15.03 | Kraps | yes |
| 03:15.07 | Kraps | hi purl |
| 03:15.18 | bluspacecow | ~purl i love Purl |
| 03:15.18 | purl | You love Purl? |
| 03:15.31 | rosco762 | So he has to look at it and knwo it instantly |
| 03:15.39 | Torhal | ~lart Kraps |
| 03:15.39 | purl | plops Kraps into a giant vat of herring |
| 03:15.48 | Kraps | ugh dude |
| 03:15.49 | Nobgul | If you wanna run tons of code you can use |
| 03:15.50 | Nobgul | http://www.lua.org/cgi-bin/demo |
| 03:15.58 | bluspacecow | there always doing /query purl then doing "help" and having a little private time with the bot :) |
| 03:16.13 | Nobgul | lol bluspacecow, Private time eh |
| 03:16.26 | rosco762 | Hmmm |
| 03:16.30 | bluspacecow | *eyebrow waggle* |
| 03:16.33 | rosco762 | I think i'm confused |
| 03:16.34 | Nobgul | hehe |
| 03:16.38 | Kraps | sexleg perhaps? |
| 03:16.47 | Nobgul | confused on what? |
| 03:16.53 | bluspacecow | sexleg ! |
| 03:16.56 | rosco762 | I have a nervous habit i don't knwo your excuse |
| 03:17.06 | rosco762 | Is it a bot or a real person? |
| 03:17.12 | Nobgul | Real person |
| 03:17.14 | Kraps | its a bot |
| 03:17.20 | Nobgul | damn u Kraps |
| 03:17.32 | Kraps | its a real bot? |
| 03:17.36 | Nobgul | lol |
| 03:17.46 | logistic | >purl< CTCP VERSION |
| 03:17.46 | logistic | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:18.17 | rosco762 | ok ty |
| 03:18.20 | bluspacecow | it's a bot that acts surprisingly like a real person |
| 03:18.21 | bluspacecow | eg |
| 03:18.24 | bluspacecow | ~trout Fisker |
| 03:18.25 | purl | ACTION slaps Fisker around a bit with a large trout! |
| 03:18.32 | bluspacecow | see ? anyone does that :D |
| 03:18.38 | Nobgul | My personal fav is |
| 03:18.45 | Nobgul | ~staple bluspacecow |
| 03:18.45 | purl | ACTION attaches a staple gun to a pneumatic nail gun via duct tape, staples bluspacecow quite well, and hands bluspacecow to nobgul |
| 03:18.47 | rosco762 | gets scared and calls his mom |
| 03:18.56 | Torhal | !rlart |
| 03:18.59 | Torhal | ~rlart |
| 03:18.59 | purl | lowers A-KO's priority |
| 03:19.04 | bluspacecow | ~staple purl |
| 03:19.04 | purl | ACTION attaches a staple gun to a pneumatic nail gun via duct tape, staples purl quite well, and hands purl to bluspacecow |
| 03:19.17 | Nobgul | ~Nobgul |
| 03:19.17 | purl | Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurn! |
| 03:19.21 | Nobgul | hehe |
| 03:19.27 | rosco762 | WOW purl you having fun there? |
| 03:19.34 | Nobgul | Look what you started. |
| 03:19.40 | Torhal | headdesks. |
| 03:19.57 | Kraps | ~whalenuke Torhal |
| 03:19.58 | purl | ACTION dons her radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around Torhal with his mind powers. |
| 03:20.30 | rosco762 | gets naked ties himself to a chair and burns himself with ciggars |
| 03:20.42 | rosco762 | Wait did i just type that? |
| 03:21.29 | Nobgul | rosco762: You should read the pil its interesting and full of fun stuff. |
| 03:21.44 | rosco762 | The pil? |
| 03:22.10 | rosco762 | No I've already overdosed before |
| 03:22.31 | Kraps | durp |
| 03:22.37 | Lulia | o.o |
| 03:23.03 | rosco762 | When I was 4 i drank 7 bottles of pepto bisma |
| 03:23.13 | rosco762 | so what is the pil |
| 03:23.19 | Nobgul | Seems like it has stuck with you through life huh |
| 03:23.23 | Torhal | Fisker: Seriously, dude. The other troll is taking over. |
| 03:23.27 | Nobgul | Yer man |
| 03:23.36 | Nobgul | So does mirc have a ignore script? |
| 03:23.59 | rosco762 | PLZ don't ignore me |
| 03:24.15 | rosco762 | It's not like you guys are being more productive |
| 03:24.27 | Nobgul | Hrmm wasn;t talking about you, but it may become a option in the future: if you continue to overtake fisker. |
| 03:24.47 | rosco762 | fisker is a troll? |
| 03:24.54 | rosco762 | a troll? |
| 03:24.58 | Nobgul | I hear he once killed a man. |
| 03:25.00 | logistic | rosco762: ok now I'm sure you are a troll |
| 03:25.11 | Nobgul | Of course he was |
| 03:25.13 | Nobgul | is |
| 03:25.20 | rosco762 | Can you plz tell me what that is so i can stop |
| 03:25.43 | Nobgul | s/Of/He/Was |
| 03:25.49 | Nobgul | =( |
| 03:26.04 | Nobgul | s/Of/He/Was/ |
| 03:26.10 | Nobgul | .. |
| 03:26.22 | Nobgul | rosco762: Do you play world of warcraft? |
| 03:26.26 | Amarande | Speaking of radiation cloaks, you do know that Pepto is radioactive right? :) |
| 03:26.28 | rosco762 | Of corse |
| 03:26.36 | rosco762 | course* |
| 03:26.51 | rosco762 | It is? |
| 03:27.05 | logistic | rosco762: troll is a racial slur. We think we figured out what race you are and we are abusing you for it |
| 03:27.24 | A-KO | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPcef_OqCYU |
| 03:27.26 | Nobgul | #wowuidev Better then Barrens Chat! |
| 03:27.40 | rosco762 | I'm a DK Drenaiea |
| 03:27.48 | Kraps | troll dk |
| 03:27.54 | rosco762 | No i am not |
| 03:28.09 | logistic | rosco762: that was perfect |
| 03:28.13 | Kraps | belf dk? |
| 03:28.22 | Nobgul | lol |
| 03:28.38 | Amarande | Kraps: don't even. |
| 03:28.45 | Amarande | my five-time KS is a belf DK. |
| 03:29.03 | Nobgul | but Amarande i wanna see where Kraps was gonna go with it. |
| 03:29.50 | Kraps | Amarande: gratz? |
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| 03:33.39 | rosco762 | ~pil |
| 03:33.39 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 03:34.05 | Nobgul | Scroll up man. That is the 3rd time you have hit that link. |
| 03:34.45 | logistic | rosco762: also, see #lua |
| 03:35.28 | logistic | rosco762: lua is a programming language standard. WoW uses limited implementation of it for addons. |
| 03:35.29 | Amarande | waitwhatSHORE? I'm in Blasted Lands! Omg ... |
| 03:36.11 | Kraps | Amarande: check out the tainted forest farther south, its amazing |
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| 03:37.00 | Kraps | so rosco762 where are you from? |
| 03:39.14 | logistic | when you create a frame with a template, and that template has named children with references to $parent, when are those names added to the global lua namespace? |
| 03:39.53 | logistic | I can't seem to find them after calling CreateFrame |
| 03:40.05 | MentalPower | did you give your parent a name? |
| 03:40.10 | logistic | yes |
| 03:40.34 | MentalPower | can you find the parent in the global table? |
| 03:40.39 | logistic | no |
| 03:40.40 | logistic | I'll paste the relevant code |
| 03:40.48 | MentalPower | is the frame created? |
| 03:40.57 | MentalPower | what does it return for :GetName() |
| 03:41.42 | logistic | http://pastebin.com/ExQJFyhh |
| 03:41.47 | MentalPower | local frame = CreateFrame(); local name = frame:GetName() return frame == _G[name]; |
| 03:42.24 | Amarande | "Make sure to use the grenades from afar ... or you will be blasted." |
| 03:42.35 | Amarande | Ahhhh ... shades of good old DOOM and the rocket launcher? :) |
| 03:42.58 | logistic | MentalPower: I'll test that |
| 03:43.01 | rosco762 | Oh I am form Dallas Texas |
| 03:43.33 | logistic | MentalPower: yes, the parent is in the global table |
| 03:43.38 | logistic | MentalPower: the child isn't though |
| 03:43.56 | rosco762 | Did you get that kraps |
| 03:43.58 | logistic | MentalPower: still getting an error on the expandButton line saying I am trying to index a nil value |
| 03:44.11 | Kraps | rosco762: yup |
| 03:44.18 | rosco762 | kk |
| 03:44.20 | logistic | oh! |
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| 03:44.27 | logistic | typo *facepalm* |
| 03:44.50 | Kraps | rosco762: how old are you? |
| 03:45.02 | rosco762 | 24 |
| 03:45.15 | MentalPower | logistic: where? |
| 03:45.27 | MentalPower | ttt |
| 03:45.32 | MentalPower | saw ittt :) |
| 03:45.34 | logistic | yeah... |
| 03:45.40 | Kraps | hey so am i |
| 03:45.45 | rosco762 | coolio |
| 03:45.50 | rosco762 | ot any kids yet |
| 03:46.20 | Nobgul | 0_o |
| 03:46.26 | Kraps | naw, i'm freeloading |
| 03:46.43 | rosco762 | ohh i got a 7 year old |
| 03:46.52 | Kraps | really? |
| 03:46.59 | rosco762 | I got a chick pregnant at a very young age |
| 03:47.00 | Kraps | nice |
| 03:47.08 | Kraps | yeah |
| 03:47.15 | rosco762 | He just got his first 80 last night |
| 03:47.21 | Nobgul | Was that before the Overdose or after? |
| 03:47.26 | rosco762 | I was so proud lol |
| 03:47.35 | rosco762 | After |
| 03:48.14 | rosco762 | Don't worry, he dosn't hvae pink skin |
| 03:48.28 | rosco762 | His name is Caleb |
| 03:48.55 | Nobgul|HeadInWal | Ill be back later gonna go hang out in barrens |
| 03:49.06 | rosco762 | kk see you |
| 03:49.10 | Kraps | sup Nobgul, i'm lmao-ing here myself |
| 03:49.17 | rosco762 | get a leaping hatchling pet while you at it |
| 03:49.30 | Nobgul|HeadInWal | Kraps: Is wow bash still up? |
| 03:49.39 | Kraps | sure |
| 03:49.55 | Kraps | but thats for ingame stuff only :) |
| 03:50.03 | Nobgul|HeadInWal | There is irc bash |
| 03:50.10 | Kraps | sure |
| 03:50.15 | Nobgul|HeadInWal | anyway |
| 03:51.00 | Kraps | look in google, there a re tons |
| 03:51.01 | rosco762 | Alright time to get reading this laguage |
| 03:51.07 | rosco762 | ~pil |
| 03:51.07 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
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| 03:56.58 | Torhal | rosco762: Bookmark it man. FFS. |
| 03:57.32 | logistic | is there any way to have a frame just adjust its size to accomadate its content? |
| 03:57.58 | logistic | sort of like the css display: inline-block |
| 03:58.06 | Nobgul|HeadInWal | Anyone have a graphic ui comp suggestion? |
| 03:58.23 | rosco762 | ~pil |
| 03:58.24 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 03:58.30 | Nobgul|HeadInWal | logistic: I havent seen one but that desn't mean there isn't |
| 03:58.30 | rosco762 | Im so sorry i kep forgeting |
| 03:58.52 | Nobgul|HeadInWal | rosco762: Please stop doing that, if you continue we will be forced to remove your ability to use the bot. |
| 03:59.26 | Torhal | rosco762: Fucking bookmark it. Gah. |
| 04:00.00 | Torhal | logistic: Not without a bunch of voodoo. |
| 04:00.11 | Nobgul|HeadInWal | hehe. |
| 04:00.13 | logistic | lol, which addon is it that spams trade chat each time someone swears? |
| 04:00.18 | logistic | Torhal: I can imagine |
| 04:00.25 | Nobgul|HeadInWal | Torhal: Bad juju voodoo or bad juju voodoo =P |
| 04:00.26 | logistic | Torhal: I'll just do it manually I guess |
| 04:00.40 | Torhal | Stay away from da voodoo, mon. |
| 04:00.56 | Nobgul|HeadInWal | lol |
| 04:05.04 | ckknight | http://www.google.com/search?q=herp |
| 04:06.52 | Torhal | ckknight: Reptillian herpes? |
| 04:06.55 | rosco762 | Ok so i read the first half of part one and i didn't understand any of it |
| 04:07.17 | Amarande | I still think they need to add [Bad Mojo] as an item, if they haven't already. |
| 04:07.29 | ckknight | Torhal: you don't know about herp derp? |
| 04:07.33 | Amarande | There's already a few billion types of Mojo, especially with all the extra ones the Drakuru quest line added |
| 04:07.39 | Amarande | and yet, there still isn't Bad Mojo. |
| 04:07.50 | Torhal | ckknight: Yes, I was simply hashing together the two most prevalent results :) |
| 04:07.56 | rosco762 | Is there a program you can download to do all of the crap it says |
| 04:08.22 | Torhal | rosco762: ... |
| 04:08.30 | rosco762 | Yes sir? |
| 04:08.42 | Torhal | That was the sound of me being completely speechless. |
| 04:08.56 | rosco762 | I can't understand it |
| 04:09.11 | Kraps | very esoteric Torhal |
| 04:09.15 | rosco762 | I know what a chunk is and all that but i dont knwo how to use the imformation i got |
| 04:09.55 | Kraps | rosco762: forget it, its ok if you dont make addons |
| 04:10.08 | rosco762 | But i really want to |
| 04:10.17 | logistic | rosco762: learn lua seperately first then |
| 04:10.23 | rosco762 | Just plz tell me the first part of it |
| 04:10.26 | logistic | rosco762: learning lua for WoW is just making things harder |
| 04:10.31 | logistic | rosco762: ask for help in #lua |
| 04:10.41 | rosco762 | I'm not doing it for wow atm |
| 04:10.55 | Nobgul | Posts the please do not feed the troll sign's around the room. |
| 04:11.34 | Kraps | idk Nobgul, hes pretty convincing |
| 04:11.52 | rosco762 | starts crying |
| 04:12.10 | logistic | he's obviously a troll but I think he might legitimately be trying to learn addon development |
| 04:12.17 | rosco762 | Just someone plz tell me how to get started |
| 04:12.20 | logistic | in his own trollish way |
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| 04:12.30 | rosco762 | you guys are mean |
| 04:12.35 | Nobgul | rosco762: As i said before. Take a addon you like and study the code. |
| 04:13.02 | rosco762 | Just study it? |
| 04:13.04 | Nobgul | rosco762: Aslo as i said before=, we are more then happy to help with questions but ones as broad as teach me. Will not fly. |
| 04:13.18 | rosco762 | lol |
| 04:13.25 | rosco762 | I never said teach me |
| 04:13.39 | rosco762 | I said get me started |
| 04:13.50 | Nobgul | err please don't make me go back. You did say can someone help me learn lua |
| 04:13.57 | rosco762 | As in tell me how to set it up and i'll go from there |
| 04:13.57 | Nobgul | ~logs |
| 04:13.57 | purl | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. logs are updated daily, or the log URL is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23uphpu/ |
| 04:14.30 | logistic | rosco762: I still think you should learn lua outside of World of Wacraft first for a better introduction to programming |
| 04:15.27 | rosco762 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:15.52 | logistic | rosco762: a programming language |
| 04:16.11 | logistic | rosco762: without a background in computer science, you can't fully comprehend what that means |
| 04:16.22 | logistic | rosco762: but suffice it to say, it tells the computer what to do |
| 04:16.31 | rosco762 | Ahhhhh then i'll have to talk to my dad about it |
| 04:16.54 | Nobgul | Anyway Ill be back going to get a freenode ircop to ban him |
| 04:17.06 | rosco762 | Why? |
| 04:17.33 | SqueeG | goes and gets popcorn |
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| 04:18.17 | Kraps | haz a lol |
| 04:18.31 | logistic | now my frame is stealing keyboard input from everything |
| 04:18.36 | Nobgul | lol |
| 04:18.36 | logistic | how do I fix this? |
| 04:18.44 | Nobgul | slash kick computer |
| 04:18.46 | logistic | I only wanted to capture escape presses |
| 04:18.51 | SqueeG | xD |
| 04:19.04 | SqueeG | paste the code? |
| 04:19.15 | Torhal | logistic: No clue. I've never used that script handler |
| 04:19.33 | logistic | AddGroupFrame:SetScript("OnKeyDown", function(self, key) if key == KEY_ESC then AddGroupFrame:Hide() end end) |
| 04:21.06 | logistic | this must be a common thing, wanting your window to be able to be closed with escape like all the normal windows in WoW |
| 04:21.17 | SqueeG | hai |
| 04:21.28 | Torhal | logistic: Oh! |
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| 04:22.06 | Torhal | logistic: You have to name your frame |
| 04:22.08 | Torhal | Then do this: |
| 04:22.22 | Torhal | table.insert(UISpecialFrames, "MyFrameName") |
| 04:22.35 | Torhal | That makes pressing escape banish it. |
| 04:22.41 | DWSR | logistic: I expect all of frames to be closeable via Esc. |
| 04:23.05 | DWSR | I have edited a few addons to make this a reality. |
| 04:23.14 | SqueeG | lol |
| 04:23.51 | SqueeG | I <3 my sammich board |
| 04:25.28 | SqueeG | can't you just use tinsert? |
| 04:26.05 | logistic | same thing |
| 04:26.16 | logistic | table.insert is standard lua though |
| 04:26.57 | SqueeG | but it's soooooooooooo many extra characters >.> |
| 04:27.16 | SqueeG | 5! |
| 04:27.31 | logistic | it doesn't matter |
| 04:27.35 | logistic | use either one |
| 04:27.42 | SqueeG | i know :p |
| 04:28.16 | SqueeG | i was just attempting to push my laziness on others |
| 04:28.37 | logistic | btw, run this constantly in your raids to annoy other raid members: /run SendAddonMessage('DBMv4-Pull','0\tLanathel','RAID') |
| 04:28.46 | SqueeG | ah.... an 80 decided to ambush me apparently to protect his wee friend |
| 04:28.50 | Nobgul | hehe |
| 04:28.50 | logistic | put a bunch of them in your macro, one for every boss in ICC |
| 04:28.51 | SqueeG | ...who died long before me :p |
| 04:29.01 | logistic | you can get the mob names from the DBM instance addon file names |
| 04:29.22 | Shirik | http://darklegacycomics.com/176.html |
| 04:29.51 | logistic | it's funny having the timers for 5 different bosses on the screen |
| 04:29.59 | DWSR | logistic: I'm so glad I use DXE. |
| 04:30.10 | SqueeG | dxe? |
| 04:30.33 | Amarande | logistic: How to Get Kicked From Your Guild in Three Easy Steps |
| 04:30.35 | DWSR | Deus Vox Encounters. |
| 04:30.46 | logistic | Amarande: the best part is that it doesn't say who did it |
| 04:31.02 | logistic | Amarande: unless they have the technical skills to moniter the addon channel they wont know |
| 04:31.42 | logistic | they'll just go file a DBM bug |
| 04:33.56 | Torhal | logistic: I wrote Spamalyzer, so anyone using that will know :) |
| 04:34.29 | logistic | Torhal: you have foiled my evil plan, curses |
| 04:34.37 | Torhal | Bwah! |
| 04:37.25 | SqueeG | roar |
| 04:37.31 | SqueeG | i keep getting ported out of uldum |
| 04:37.36 | SqueeG | I HUZ KWEST |
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| 04:37.56 | logistic | SqueeG: same problem |
| 04:38.05 | logistic | SqueeG: the quest where you have to open that chest thing? |
| 04:38.28 | SqueeG | yea xD |
| 04:38.31 | SqueeG | it taunts me! xD |
| 04:39.16 | SqueeG | mocks me* even |
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| 04:43.12 | rosco762 | OK |
| 04:43.39 | SqueeG | oh noz, it's back |
| 04:43.46 | rosco762 | so i was told by someone to learn basics like C,C++, and C# |
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| 04:44.17 | logistic | rosco762: those are different programming languages, people will often tell you to learn their favorite programming language first |
| 04:44.22 | logistic | rosco762: but starting with lua is fine |
| 04:45.05 | rosco762 | Well, my dad said that those were the basic one that he had to learn first becuase it teaches you how to do coding |
| 04:45.08 | SqueeG | you need to understand logic first :p |
| 04:46.11 | rosco762 | Can this become an occupation? |
| 04:46.13 | taroven | I'd call Lua an exceptional language to start with... |
| 04:46.17 | logistic | LOL |
| 04:46.24 | logistic | rosco762: you are good |
| 04:46.34 | rosco762 | What? |
| 04:46.39 | SqueeG | Lua is definietly beginner friendly |
| 04:46.39 | logistic | rosco762: at trolling |
| 04:47.04 | Arrowmaster | also from my understanding C, C++, and C# are all vastly different in usage even though they are all supposedly related from the naming |
| 04:47.06 | rosco762 | No I don't want to troll as an occupation |
| 04:47.43 | SqueeG | C# is MSJava basically isn't it? |
| 04:47.46 | SqueeG | or....java-like |
| 04:47.47 | logistic | yeah |
| 04:47.57 | logistic | C++ was C with objects, until it became horribly bloated |
| 04:48.01 | rosco762 | I know he said to choose one tha would get me closer to this language |
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| 04:48.17 | Arrowmaster | well the proper way to use C++ is to not treat it like C at all |
| 04:48.21 | Nobgul | If that is the case i suggest you learn tcl |
| 04:48.32 | Arrowmaster | which is a common problem |
| 04:48.42 | rosco762 | tcl? |
| 04:48.51 | logistic | rosco762: lua is very different from all of those languages, choose whichever one you want. Once you learn one programming language it becomes easy to learn others |
| 04:48.58 | Arrowmaster | Nobgul: tcl is actually one of the first languages i learned aside from BASIC |
| 04:49.13 | Arrowmaster | i cant remember a damn thing about tcl anymore though |
| 04:49.16 | Nobgul | Arrowmaster: Myself as well. Tcl for my eggdrops. |
| 04:49.24 | Arrowmaster | lol same reason i learned it |
| 04:49.30 | rosco762 | OK so i'll learn that |
| 04:49.43 | logistic | so, I have a FontString and I'm trying to align it to the left |
| 04:49.53 | logistic | so I specified that it had a top anchor and a left anchor |
| 04:49.56 | rosco762 | Is there an online book about that? |
| 04:49.57 | logistic | and gave it a height |
| 04:50.00 | Thrae | BASIC -> Tickle -> Rainbow Sunshine Unicorn Play Language sounds about the right progression. |
| 04:50.00 | Nobgul | Well i lied. Mirc scripting was first i reckon |
| 04:50.10 | logistic | but it's still aligning to the center |
| 04:50.15 | logistic | how do I make it align to the left? |
| 04:50.19 | Thrae | But seriously, tcl is fun. |
| 04:50.24 | Nobgul | Set a point |
| 04:50.31 | Arrowmaster | Nobgul: yeah but we dont really consider that a language do we? |
| 04:50.36 | rosco762 | so this is supposed to be fun |
| 04:50.38 | taroven | logistic: SetFontJustify('LEFT')? |
| 04:50.49 | Nobgul | Arrowmaster; I have seen some pretty complicated mirc scripts |
| 04:50.53 | taroven | Prolly the wrong method name, don't have any code in front of me |
| 04:51.24 | Nobgul | rosco762, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. You may find smoking crack to be more fun. |
| 04:51.32 | logistic | taroven: it's XML |
| 04:51.34 | logistic | http://pastebin.com/Be1faJfx |
| 04:52.07 | SqueeG | aaaah |
| 04:52.12 | SqueeG | you're using xml? |
| 04:52.14 | logistic | yeah |
| 04:52.16 | bluspacecow | hhmmmm |
| 04:52.26 | SqueeG | eep |
| 04:52.29 | bluspacecow | i heard some can program better while smoking crack |
| 04:52.38 | taroven | logistic: I don't screw with xml, but I'm pretty sure it'd be something simple. |
| 04:53.33 | rosco762 | I am sorry nobgul but that is very offensive to me. |
| 04:53.58 | rosco762 | Drugs are very frowned apon in my familt |
| 04:54.13 | rosco762 | family* |
| 04:54.18 | logistic | Nobgul: Yeah, drugs are very offensive |
| 04:54.38 | SqueeG | would fontinstance be it? |
| 04:54.41 | logistic | Nobgul: Suggesting to somebody that they use illegal drugs could seriously harm them |
| 04:54.41 | rosco762 | logistic:you know what i meant |
| 04:54.53 | taroven | logistic: http://www.wowpedia.org/XML/FontString |
| 04:54.54 | logistic | rosco762: huh? |
| 04:55.11 | Torhal | logistic: justifyH="LEFT" |
| 04:55.16 | taroven | logistic: ^ |
| 04:55.23 | Torhal | Though XML makes me break out in hives. |
| 04:55.23 | rosco762 | logistic: I thought you were being sarcastic |
| 04:55.27 | taroven | And ^ |
| 04:55.33 | Nobgul | logistic; nvm lol |
| 04:56.04 | SqueeG | arrowmaster must just be ignoring him :p |
| 04:56.12 | rosco762 | Drugs bring great dishonor to your family and are very evil in the eye of Christ |
| 04:56.24 | Arrowmaster | huh? |
| 04:56.27 | taroven | Someone kb this kid before I puke... |
| 04:56.34 | Nobgul | Yer ok |
| 04:56.40 | logistic | taroven: Do you support drug abuse? |
| 04:56.54 | Torhal | Thankfully, I'm going to sleep so I don't have to deal with him anymore. |
| 04:56.57 | rosco762 | Wait nobgul canyou hear me? |
| 04:56.59 | SqueeG | drugs should be abused! they've brought nothing good to the community! ;) |
| 04:56.59 | Arrowmaster | drug abuse is natures population control |
| 04:57.13 | logistic | Torhal: thanks |
| 04:57.13 | SqueeG | no no, that's war, arrowmaster :3 |
| 04:57.23 | logistic | now I just need to figure out why my anchor broke |
| 04:57.27 | taroven | logistic: Absofuckinglut- Wait. Medicinal, recreational, or occupational? |
| 04:58.04 | logistic | taroven: all 3 at once |
| 04:58.13 | taroven | Yes. A thousand times yes. |
| 04:58.30 | SqueeG | i need to get a clip of that nerdy guy from family guy saying 'ding' |
| 04:58.41 | rosco762 | OK drugs for a good cause like a doctor's perscription are fine, but anyother use is horrable |
| 04:59.29 | rosco762 | But the problem with my family is you can't drinka bottle of beer without my dad saying he's disapointed in you lol |
| 04:59.36 | taroven | ...why are we even talking about drugs in the first place? And more importantly, WHY AM I NOT DRUNK. |
| 04:59.50 | SqueeG | not enough alcohol |
| 04:59.51 | SqueeG | duh |
| 05:00.06 | rosco762 | I am drunk atm so i really dont knwo what im saying |
| 05:00.11 | SqueeG | FUUUU new orgrimmar |
| 05:00.12 | rosco762 | lol |
| 05:00.18 | taroven | "We require more CH3CH2OH" |
| 05:01.06 | taroven | Hey, whaddyaknow... apt-get upgrade actually did something good for once. |
| 05:01.11 | Shirik | (23:47:43) (logistic) C++ was C with objects, until it became horribly bloated |
| 05:01.14 | Shirik | No it fucking was not |
| 05:01.24 | Shirik | And I grow very scared of people that think that |
| 05:01.36 | Shirik | The biggest problem with C++ is people like you that think it's C with objects |
| 05:01.45 | logistic | Shirik: I know it's not C with objects |
| 05:01.47 | Shirik | It is nothing like C and cannot be treated like C in any way |
| 05:01.51 | logistic | Shirik: I'm saying that was the original idea |
| 05:01.55 | Shirik | No it wasn't |
| 05:01.58 | logistic | oh |
| 05:02.00 | taroven | Connection manager applet finally recognizes that I really do have a router and it really is connected to something. o.0 |
| 05:02.05 | Shirik | Stroustrup makes that quite clear |
| 05:02.10 | logistic | I'm just repeating what I heard, I don't actually know C++ |
| 05:02.25 | logistic | it is bloated though |
| 05:02.27 | Shirik | Read the latest edition to his book he has pages devoted to this whole problem |
| 05:02.32 | Shirik | No, Perl is bloated |
| 05:02.34 | Shirik | Python is bloated |
| 05:02.42 | Shirik | C++ is appropriate for what it is designed to do |
| 05:02.49 | SqueeG | python is bloated? O_o |
| 05:02.54 | logistic | if you say so, I don't know it so I'll just stop commenting on it |
| 05:02.57 | Shirik | Python isn't even a programming language |
| 05:03.01 | Shirik | Python is an importing language |
| 05:03.05 | logistic | lol |
| 05:03.11 | logistic | what about PHP? |
| 05:03.46 | taroven | http://xkcd.com/413/ |
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| 05:04.05 | Shirik | php is a mess that for some reason I still use |
| 05:04.11 | Shadowed | because it's very easy to setp |
| 05:04.18 | Shirik | php is everything that I think about open source projects |
| 05:04.19 | Shadowed | it's kind of a self fulfilling prophecy |
| 05:04.26 | Shirik | Unmaintainable and hacked together |
| 05:04.28 | logistic | Shirik: git is open soucrce |
| 05:04.30 | logistic | source* |
| 05:04.31 | Shadowed | people use PHP originally cause it's easy and the barrier for entry is low |
| 05:04.34 | logistic | Shirik: and git is awesome |
| 05:04.35 | Shirik | Git is also written by a nutjob |
| 05:04.42 | Shadowed | then they turn it into a real project, and realize that PHP is awful for what they want |
| 05:04.46 | Shadowed | but they are too invested in it to switch |
| 05:04.48 | Shadowed | see, Facebook |
| 05:05.02 | Shadowed | (Facebook being an extreme example obviously) |
| 05:05.04 | logistic | Shirik: git is awesome, whoever it is written by doesn't matter. Don't generalize open source projects. |
| 05:05.18 | Shirik | Git is not awesome, it is just one of the better version control systems out there |
| 05:05.24 | Shirik | just because it is better than the rest does not make it good |
| 05:05.31 | logistic | Shirik: some open source projects are terrible, some are the best out there |
| 05:05.40 | SqueeG | shadowed, and what do you propose in place of php |
| 05:05.43 | Shirik | And all of them are unmaintainable |
| 05:05.44 | Shadowed | Now you're just being a semantic jerk Shirik :P |
| 05:05.48 | Shadowed | SqueeG pretty much anything else |
| 05:05.54 | Shirik | Show me one open source project that has a reasonable development process |
| 05:05.58 | logistic | Shirik: besides, information wants to be free |
| 05:06.15 | Shadowed | I choose Ruby personally, but I'd imagine Python is fine too |
| 05:06.22 | Shirik | Linux is also one of the best operating systems out there |
| 05:06.23 | logistic | Shirik: Chrome |
| 05:06.27 | Shirik | and it's a POS |
| 05:06.33 | logistic | Shirik: Google Chrome is open source |
| 05:06.36 | Shadowed | I'm not sure I would consider Chrome open source |
| 05:06.41 | Shadowed | given they have Google backing so much of it |
| 05:06.41 | DWSR | ^ |
| 05:06.43 | Shirik | I've never seen 1 requirement specification for chrome |
| 05:06.56 | logistic | Open source simply means the source code is available |
| 05:06.58 | SqueeG | ruby paired with what? |
| 05:06.59 | Shadowed | Chrome might be open source in that the source is open, but it has Google supporting it |
| 05:07.03 | Kraps | http://pastey.net/143349 |
| 05:07.04 | Shadowed | Rails generally |
| 05:07.04 | logistic | Open source simply means the source code is available |
| 05:07.26 | logistic | whether its community developed or developed by a corporation doesn't decide whether it is open source |
| 05:07.26 | taroven | ^ |
| 05:07.27 | Shadowed | You can't compare an OS project that has Google backing it, and an OS project that has no actual company backing it |
| 05:07.36 | SqueeG | ruby + rails has scaling issues |
| 05:07.38 | Shadowed | it's two entirely different things |
| 05:07.39 | Shirik | he still hasn't answered my question anyway |
| 05:07.41 | Shirik | (00:05:40) (@Shirik) Show me one open source project that has a reasonable development process |
| 05:07.45 | Shadowed | SqueeG not realy |
| 05:08.04 | Shadowed | and PHP is far worse than Ruby in scaling last I looked |
| 05:08.23 | Shirik | Um |
| 05:08.23 | DWSR | People reading text messages AS THEY ARE WRITTEN fucking annoys me. |
| 05:08.24 | DWSR | Greatly. |
| 05:08.26 | logistic | Shirik: WebKit? |
| 05:08.35 | Shadowed | WebKit has apple I believe? |
| 05:08.41 | DWSR | HAH. L O L Period. |
| 05:08.42 | logistic | WebKit is open source |
| 05:08.47 | DWSR | What is this? A fucking telegraph? |
| 05:08.47 | logistic | it even says so on their website |
| 05:08.49 | Shirik | again, I've never seen a requirements specification for webkit |
| 05:08.49 | logistic | http://webkit.org/ |
| 05:09.04 | logistic | what does requirements specification have to do with this? |
| 05:09.20 | logistic | a development process isn't good unless its methodical? |
| 05:09.38 | Shadowed | SqueeG: Generally, you will hit scaling issues with your database before you hit scaling issues with your code, assuming they are competently written |
| 05:09.40 | Shirik | Would you please describe to me how something that is spurious and random is a "process" at all? |
| 05:09.40 | logistic | its good if it end up with a good result |
| 05:09.43 | Shirik | No |
| 05:09.50 | Shirik | And you are scaring me even more than before now |
| 05:09.57 | Shirik | THIS is what's wrong with today's software development |
| 05:10.08 | Shirik | software developers only look at the end, never at the entire thing |
| 05:10.14 | logistic | Shirik: I'm not even a programmer, I'm a second year CS student |
| 05:10.16 | ckknight | Shadowed: Webkit has both Apple and Google |
| 05:10.21 | Shadowed | ckknight ah right |
| 05:10.21 | ckknight | they do the brunt of the development |
| 05:10.34 | Shirik | Here's hoping somewhere down the line they teach you software process, then |
| 05:10.38 | ckknight | independent OSS is best done on the small scale |
| 05:10.41 | ckknight | imo |
| 05:10.54 | Shirik | And then hopefully you'll join in with me in arguing that open source communities are awful at developing software |
| 05:11.07 | ckknight | oh, absolutely |
| 05:11.17 | Shadowed | communities are bad at developing software, because most developers are awful at developing software |
| 05:11.19 | ckknight | well, here's the big thing: |
| 05:11.38 | logistic | Shirik: I'd agree with that |
| 05:11.38 | ckknight | OSS communities think they develop software, but the actual creation of software is a tiny part of the entire process |
| 05:11.42 | SqueeG | hahaha |
| 05:11.47 | SqueeG | case in point, openoffice |
| 05:11.51 | ckknight | there's also testing, QA, support, etc. |
| 05:11.58 | Shirik | openoffice is a great example of how bad open source communities do |
| 05:12.02 | Shadowed | The problem with OSS is that you have everyone wanting to do the fun parts of development, namely, coding |
| 05:12.04 | logistic | Shirik: I just don't agree that all open source projects have awful development processes |
| 05:12.08 | Shadowed | but not the gruntwork like QA, UX etc |
| 05:12.14 | Shirik | Because instead of fixing the problems they just add in more features |
| 05:12.17 | ckknight | definitely, Shadowed |
| 05:12.17 | Shirik | and hope the features hide the bugs |
| 05:12.20 | Shadowed | and so they add more features |
| 05:12.21 | logistic | Shirik: because open source simply means the source is available to someone with a legitimate copy of the program |
| 05:12.22 | Shadowed | and more features |
| 05:12.23 | Shadowed | etc |
| 05:12.36 | logistic | Shirik: any product could be open source |
| 05:12.36 | Shirik | logistic: Yet you still have not shown me even one open source project that develops requirements |
| 05:12.49 | SqueeG | shirik: holy shit open source is like politics! |
| 05:12.53 | Shirik | I refuse to believe in any development process that does not value even basic requirements |
| 05:12.58 | ckknight | of course it is, SqueeG |
| 05:13.11 | Shadowed | At least WebKit for example, has two companies who have it in their best interest to make sure the end result is good |
| 05:13.13 | logistic | Shirik: any software is potentially open source, all they have to do is make the source code available to their customers |
| 05:13.14 | Shirik | I mean I don't care if they don't do all-out formal methods or whatever |
| 05:13.23 | Shirik | I just want something |
| 05:13.26 | Shadowed | so even if it's open source, you have companies who will put manpower on every issue, not just on coding |
| 05:13.30 | Shirik | not "day 1: CODE" |
| 05:13.50 | ckknight | corporate-backed OSS can do very well |
| 05:14.05 | ckknight | and Webkit is the perfect example |
| 05:14.07 | Shadowed | corporate-backed OSS is the only OSS I would really trust to go well |
| 05:14.15 | Shirik | wasn't apache corporate-backed? |
| 05:14.16 | Shadowed | in 99% of the cases |
| 05:14.37 | ckknight | Shirik: it was, but there isn't much corporate hands-on-ness |
| 05:14.38 | Shirik | I thought apache had some kind of sponsor |
| 05:14.47 | DWSR | It does. |
| 05:14.48 | Shadowed | Even Apache, corporations had it in their best interest to support it |
| 05:14.59 | Shadowed | s/had/has/ |
| 05:15.03 | Shadowed | er have |
| 05:15.03 | Shadowed | whatever |
| 05:15.08 | Shirik | yet for some reason people still use IIS |
| 05:15.13 | Shadowed | or apache |
| 05:15.15 | Shadowed | instead of nginx! |
| 05:15.18 | ckknight | Shirik: IIS 7 is really good. |
| 05:15.23 | ckknight | seriously. |
| 05:15.23 | SqueeG | mm |
| 05:15.29 | ckknight | IIS 5 and below: utter shit |
| 05:15.43 | ckknight | but Microsoft has done a really nice job since 6 |
| 05:15.47 | ckknight | well, 6 was okay |
| 05:15.50 | ckknight | 7 is really good |
| 05:15.53 | Shirik | Ok |
| 05:15.58 | SqueeG | the ps2 / psp firmware scene was a mixture of open/closed source and they had decent standards :p |
| 05:16.04 | Shirik | Here's a good indicator of why open source communities are bad at developing software |
| 05:16.24 | Shirik | How many software process suites like MKS Integrity or TFS are open source? |
| 05:16.30 | Shirik | I haven't yet found one I like |
| 05:17.02 | SqueeG | I think open source plays a vital role |
| 05:17.04 | rosco762 | ok i've ben studying tcl |
| 05:17.28 | Shirik | Don't get me wrong I'm glad open source software is around |
| 05:17.46 | Shadowed | the problem with OSS tends to be people get into their camps |
| 05:17.52 | Shadowed | and say, OSS is good or it's bad |
| 05:17.57 | ckknight | sets up camp by the river |
| 05:18.00 | DWSR | Shirik: Eclipse has one, I think, actually. |
| 05:18.03 | Shirik | Eclipse |
| 05:18.05 | Shirik | needs to die |
| 05:18.07 | Corrodias | i think Software is good! |
| 05:18.08 | Shirik | more than open office |
| 05:18.17 | Shadowed | Eclipse is evil cause it's a Java IDE |
| 05:18.24 | ckknight | down with Java |
| 05:18.27 | Shirik | eclipse is evil because it's eclipse |
| 05:18.30 | Shadowed | that too |
| 05:18.33 | Shadowed | but it's like taking evil |
| 05:18.37 | Shadowed | and throwing evil fuel on the fire |
| 05:18.45 | Corrodias | hipsters don't use eclipse because it's too mainstream |
| 05:18.57 | Shirik | eclipse stood in the fire? |
| 05:19.09 | ckknight | and it burns, burns, burns |
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| 05:19.33 | Corrodias | we didn't start the fire |
| 05:19.35 | Shirik | Wobin |
| 05:19.37 | logistic | how can I had left justified text with a horizontal offset? |
| 05:19.41 | Shirik | I had something to say about aussies earlier today |
| 05:19.43 | Arrowmaster | the hell, fucking networkmanager update just forcefully disabled everything in my /etc/network/interfaces so it could take them over |
| 05:19.45 | Shirik | I forget what it was though |
| 05:19.51 | Shirik | oh right, "drink driving" |
| 05:19.54 | Shirik | You really call it that? |
| 05:19.55 | Arrowmaster | have i mentioned how much i fucking hate networkmanager |
| 05:20.01 | logistic | wait nevermind |
| 05:20.07 | bluspacecow | why it do that arrow ? |
| 05:20.13 | Arrowmaster | i dont know |
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| 05:20.53 | SqueeG | shirik that's most brit countries |
| 05:21.14 | Shirik | sounds strange |
| 05:21.19 | SqueeG | they also call spousal arguements 'domestics' |
| 05:21.57 | Shirik | domestic disturbance? |
| 05:22.04 | Shirik | is what we call it too |
| 05:22.17 | SqueeG | just domestics |
| 05:22.30 | SqueeG | the smiths had a domestic last night about mister smith's drink driving :p |
| 05:22.54 | Shirik | yeah but those are kinda close |
| 05:23.00 | ckknight | yeah, my parents used to joke about having "a touch of the domestics" |
| 05:23.05 | ckknight | for the lulz |
| 05:23.49 | Shirik | just turned on emergency heat |
| 05:23.51 | Shirik | so cold :( |
| 05:24.03 | logistic | you could turn on the oven :P |
| 05:24.09 | logistic | leave it open |
| 05:24.15 | logistic | just make sure your roof doesn't catch fire |
| 05:24.25 | SqueeG | xD |
| 05:24.30 | SqueeG | ghetto heating |
| 05:24.32 | SqueeG | gotta love it |
| 05:25.29 | SqueeG | yea british slang has a lot of amusing quirks |
| 05:26.41 | ckknight | English needs to be scrapped |
| 05:26.46 | ckknight | let's make a new language. |
| 05:26.50 | SqueeG | bah |
| 05:26.53 | logistic | they already did that |
| 05:26.59 | SqueeG | i think english is the most flexible |
| 05:27.01 | ckknight | Kiel vi fartas, logistic? |
| 05:27.02 | Corrodias | we should all speak in assembly |
| 05:27.03 | SqueeG | everyone needs to convert |
| 05:27.15 | logistic | http://www.lojban.org/ |
| 05:27.32 | SqueeG | there're lots of new languages :p |
| 05:27.35 | SqueeG | shit |
| 05:27.45 | ckknight | I'm still partial to Esperanto, logistic |
| 05:27.47 | SqueeG | there're bibles written in klingon, vulcan and romulan |
| 05:28.02 | SqueeG | esperanto's spoken by commies! >=o |
| 05:28.02 | SqueeG | :p |
| 05:28.09 | logistic | ckknight: Esperanto was written to be easy to learn |
| 05:28.22 | logistic | created* |
| 05:28.26 | ckknight | not just that, though |
| 05:28.27 | logistic | ckknight: Lojban was created to be unambiguous |
| 05:28.54 | ckknight | yeah |
| 05:29.10 | Corrodias | we can do that in english already |
| 05:29.24 | logistic | Corrodias: only by being very verbose |
| 05:29.43 | SqueeG | english was created to be easy to learn by necessity :p |
| 05:29.51 | Corrodias | which just raises the difficulty a little. no biggie. |
| 05:29.56 | logistic | Ther was a house house on the hill that was green |
| 05:30.02 | logistic | There was a house house on a hill that was green* |
| 05:30.05 | logistic | was the house green? |
| 05:30.08 | logistic | or the hill green? |
| 05:30.18 | ckknight | your mom's green |
| 05:30.30 | Corrodias | you structured that intentionally to be ambiguous |
| 05:30.42 | Corrodias | shorten it up. "There was a green house on the not-so-green hill." |
| 05:31.07 | ckknight | ambiguity makes for better poetry |
| 05:31.12 | ckknight | also, rap lyrics |
| 05:31.14 | ckknight | same thing, though |
| 05:31.28 | logistic | meh, I don't like poetry or rapo |
| 05:31.30 | logistic | rap* |
| 05:31.37 | logistic | or music for that matter |
| 05:31.39 | logistic | so I'm good |
| 05:32.29 | logistic | if only I could satsify university language requirements by learning Lojban... |
| 05:32.44 | ckknight | what're you studying? |
| 05:32.52 | logistic | CS |
| 05:33.06 | ckknight | k |
| 05:33.12 | ckknight | how far along? |
| 05:33.17 | logistic | second year |
| 05:33.20 | ckknight | okay then |
| 05:33.31 | ckknight | I got through only one year |
| 05:33.46 | SqueeG | I wish i had the means to go back for an official degree |
| 05:34.19 | logistic | so far the CS is really easy, I love math courses. hate humanities courses |
| 05:34.35 | ckknight | logistic: yeah, I left after my CS profs ran out of things to teach me |
| 05:35.07 | logistic | ckknight: so you learned the theory too? |
| 05:35.23 | logistic | ckknight: Proving computability and whatnot? |
| 05:35.24 | ckknight | yeah, I was put into 3rd and 4th year classes my first semester |
| 05:35.29 | logistic | ckknight: ah |
| 05:35.51 | ckknight | ended up teaching my computer theory class for 2 sessions |
| 05:36.51 | SqueeG | ckknight |
| 05:36.55 | ckknight | hey SqueeG |
| 05:37.09 | SqueeG | did you find learning math easier or more difficult with the aid of a scientific calculator? |
| 05:37.42 | ckknight | hmm |
| 05:37.55 | ckknight | I dunno, I kinda just absorb mathematical theories like a sponge |
| 05:38.12 | SqueeG | i need to work them out first |
| 05:38.13 | ckknight | never really contemplated how I particularly learned it |
| 05:38.38 | SqueeG | I was in 2 classes that essentially taught you to use a calculator |
| 05:38.44 | SqueeG | and was flunking half way through |
| 05:38.56 | SqueeG | those were the only 2 math classes i've ever struggled in |
| 05:39.02 | ckknight | I had one class in 11th grade that occasionally had us use Mathematica |
| 05:39.06 | ckknight | I think that was Calc 2 |
| 05:39.22 | logistic | SqueeG: just a TI-83/84? |
| 05:39.32 | SqueeG | i never learned the whole sin cosin tangent thing because of that :p |
| 05:39.33 | ckknight | TI-89 ftfw |
| 05:39.46 | logistic | SqueeG: 0_o |
| 05:39.47 | ckknight | SqueeG: I like trig |
| 05:39.59 | logistic | SqueeG: you didn't learn the unit circle etc.? |
| 05:40.14 | SqueeG | i dropped out, i wasn't learning |
| 05:40.27 | ckknight | imaginary numbers are also fun |
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| 05:40.55 | ckknight | they go well with trigonometric principles |
| 05:41.38 | nicoli_s | ckknightforgets to mention he smokes alot of brain-helping crack to make his learnin so good |
| 05:41.48 | SqueeG | lol |
| 05:42.23 | SqueeG | I was just wondering if anyone else had the same mental block :p |
| 05:42.25 | nicoli_s | and he drinks alcoholic potpurri |
| 05:43.00 | SqueeG | If i was to graph my math grades up to and including those classes, it'd be amusing |
| 05:43.09 | logistic | SqueeG: no, I don't do well in humanities courses but that's mostly because I don't try as hard as I should because I don't enjoy it |
| 05:43.26 | logistic | SqueeG: but not doing well is pretty much getting a B |
| 05:44.09 | SqueeG | xD |
| 05:44.40 | nicoli_s | i dropped out of college as well |
| 05:44.51 | nicoli_s | sadly it was even worse than high school |
| 05:45.04 | SqueeG | yea |
| 05:45.09 | SqueeG | i was expecting some freedom |
| 05:45.29 | SqueeG | the only freedom i had was in my english class :p |
| 05:46.03 | SqueeG | it was like 13th grade though |
| 05:46.49 | logistic | linguistics is interesting |
| 05:47.20 | logistic | writing essays discussing how you think a particular character felt in some book is not so much |
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| 05:47.55 | SqueeG | haha yea |
| 05:48.09 | SqueeG | but the english prof i had allowed me to make up for the.... 3 months i didn't go |
| 05:48.22 | SqueeG | and gave me an A on a 2 paragraph compare/contrast |
| 05:48.38 | SqueeG | about star wars |
| 05:51.17 | SqueeG | logistic did you need to take technical writing? |
| 05:51.22 | ckknight | nicoli_s: yeah, I'm gonna be making some glogg pretty soon |
| 05:51.28 | taroven | Yay, managed not to induce a kernel panic. |
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| 05:52.01 | ckknight | SqueeG: my literature class in college was interesting |
| 05:52.26 | SqueeG | the feminist shit i ahd to read, wasn't |
| 05:52.27 | ckknight | SqueeG: out of spite for the highly liberal teacher, I had to have all my papers very, very conservative |
| 05:52.46 | ckknight | despite that, I got an A, because I can apparently articulate myself |
| 05:53.00 | logistic | SqueeG: maybe, haven't fulfilled all my general requirements yet |
| 05:53.01 | ckknight | I blame the shitty students in my class who had no opinion or concept of the proper use of apostrophes |
| 05:53.10 | SqueeG | english/literature is all about the art of bullshit :) |
| 05:53.16 | SqueeG | do it well and you get good marks xD |
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| 05:55.00 | ckknight | I disagree |
| 05:55.21 | ckknight | I think it's about accurate articulation and getting your point across where you make the reader believe you |
| 05:55.31 | ckknight | truth or falehood is irrelevant |
| 05:55.36 | ckknight | falsehood* |
| 05:55.43 | SqueeG | agreed |
| 05:55.44 | ckknight | if it's false, sure it's bullshit, but that's only one side of the coin |
| 05:56.12 | SqueeG | articulate bullshit xD |
| 05:56.33 | SqueeG | to me it was more about reading the teachers |
| 05:56.44 | SqueeG | and catering the paper to what they wanted to read |
| 05:57.13 | SqueeG | in high school i didn't even read some of the things i wrote about >>. |
| 05:57.15 | SqueeG | >.>* |
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| 06:12.19 | logistic | when I close or open a frame I put into UISpecialFrames, do I need to do anything special? |
| 06:12.25 | logistic | or can I just call Hide/Show? |
| 06:14.17 | nicoli_s | ckknight:have you worked with the xml serialization with xna yet? |
| 06:14.22 | nicoli_s | its super great |
| 06:23.09 | logistic | ugh, I need expand/contract buttons |
| 06:23.21 | logistic | I tried a normal button with a - or + character in it but the - is tiny |
| 06:23.31 | logistic | there must be a better way... |
| 06:24.26 | logistic | ooh, a longer unicode character: ? |
| 06:25.02 | logistic | no, it wont render in WoW... |
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| 06:30.32 | logistic | oh, I figured out how to increase font size |
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| 06:42.16 | ckknight | nicoli_s: I haven't. |
| 06:44.10 | nicoli_s | its really great, you pretty much just make a xml file that matches the variables for a particular class, and you can just do Content.Load<T>("AssetName") |
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| 06:45.06 | nicoli_s | and it gets compiled down into their compressed format, to make it load faster than xml |
| 06:50.10 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: pong |
| 07:07.28 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: :D |
| 07:07.33 | Shirik | This is why united loves me |
| 07:07.59 | Dagmar | window balance |
| 07:08.14 | Dagmar | I'm sure you don't mean United Airlines. |
| 07:08.17 | Dagmar | They hate everyone. |
| 07:08.24 | Shirik | oh no they love me |
| 07:08.35 | Shirik | Hence why I keep getting free first class upgrades |
| 07:09.07 | Dagmar | I won't fly 'em anymore |
| 07:09.40 | Dagmar | Going from SFO to BNA they re-routed me with delays sufficient to leave me in IAD... overnight |
| 07:09.49 | Adys | Alright I need a service |
| 07:10.02 | Adys | I need someone who has a character on wow since day 1 (eu or us, eu preferrably) |
| 07:10.05 | Dagmar | You're gonna have to buy someone dinner first. |
| 07:10.17 | Amarande | United. Fly the unfriendly skies? :) |
| 07:10.18 | Adys | above level 10, that has never been transferred, that has never been renamed |
| 07:10.53 | Amarande | Actually I used United when I went to Tennessee earlier this year and they were ok. |
| 07:10.58 | Dagmar | Month 9 is about as far back as I can get |
| 07:11.25 | Dagmar | Amarande: I never had them get me anywhere when they were supposed to |
| 07:11.45 | Dagmar | Oh they also had a little snit fit that had me stuck in SFO for three days while planes were leaving the terminal empty |
| 07:12.27 | Adys | lua_bot: ("%x"):format(73385157) |
| 07:12.31 | lua_bot | Adys: 45fc4c5 |
| 07:12.58 | Adys | guid: 0x03800000045FC4C5 |
| 07:12.59 | Adys | teehee |
| 07:13.13 | Dagmar | Blizzard's billing system is win |
| 07:13.22 | Adys | no, blizzard's new armory is win |
| 07:14.01 | Dagmar | THe new armory is _actually_ win |
| 07:14.20 | Adys | http://eu.battle.net/static-render/eu/bloodhoof/187/33990587-profilemain.jpg |
| 07:14.25 | Adys | does anyone know what the 187 is? |
| 07:14.33 | Adys | oh, hm, it might be animation id |
| 07:14.49 | Dagmar | One eight seven on a motha' f**kin' cip |
| 07:14.52 | Dagmar | er cop |
| 07:15.37 | Adys | 187 JumpLandRun |
| 07:15.38 | Adys | bah :( |
| 07:16.20 | MentalPower | that does not look like any jump animation i've ever seen :P |
| 07:16.41 | Dagmar | I got a failure email from BLizzard billing about a card I took off the account two weeks ago |
| 07:19.58 | Dagmar | Fixed now, but still... |
| 07:22.07 | Dagmar | I like the new Pokemon Trainer thing |
| 07:22.40 | Dagmar | I mean this might sound like I'm belittling hunters, but the way you get pets is practically completing a pokedex now. Heh |
| 07:23.08 | Dagmar | I got an eagle and a fox yesterday just because they can do tricks. |
| 07:23.21 | Thrae | "Gotta tame 'em all, WOW look at that!" |
| 07:23.52 | Amarande | I've already started seeing foxes fairly often |
| 07:23.58 | Amarande | when I deign to do dungeons |
| 07:24.03 | Dagmar | Thrae: Pretty much, man |
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| 07:24.12 | Dagmar | Amarande: They're decent ferocity pets |
| 07:24.20 | Amarande | which I haven't really done all that many of on this mage since 40 or so, I've done Scholo, both sides of Strat, and ST |
| 07:24.27 | Dagmar | ALthough... I suspect something's off with the rare-spawn frequency |
| 07:24.42 | Amarande | Dagmar: you mean like the fact that I ran into three rares in WPL within an hour of each other? |
| 07:24.43 | Dagmar | I'm seeing a *lot* of that grey fox that's supposed to be rare, and I've killed six rare mobs in the last three days |
| 07:24.47 | Dagmar | Yeah |
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| 07:34.00 | Adys | Dagmar: arent there grey foxes all over the ruins of gilneas? |
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| 07:42.49 | Corrodias | i wonder what they did with characters that haven't been logged in for over a year |
| 07:43.23 | Amarande | hmm, do I have any such characters |
| 07:43.28 | Amarande | I think I might |
| 07:43.39 | Amarande | I haven't logged on my low level mage on Zangarmarsh Alliance in like forever |
| 07:48.17 | nevcairiel | What would they do with them? |
| 07:48.37 | nevcairiel | If you happend to be in an area that was destroyed by deathwing, they moved them to the next graveyard |
| 07:49.19 | Amarande | btw, speaking of deathwing |
| 07:49.23 | Amarande | he doesn't go to outland, does he? |
| 07:49.46 | Amarande | or Northrend? |
| 07:50.10 | nevcairiel | outland definately not, he doesnt fit through the portal, and the planet is somewhat far away :p |
| 07:50.18 | nevcairiel | probably not northrend either |
| 07:51.32 | DesertDwarf | It's been 4+ months since I played with my addons. I'm trying to remember how to tell CurseForge that I'm updating it to a release version. Do I use TortoiseSVN -> Branch/Tag... -> and then fill in the log message with my "v0.5" or do I put the "v0.5" somewhere else? |
| 07:52.33 | DesertDwarf | Oh wait...I think I remember something about the URL. I think I'm supposed to change mainline/trunk to something? |
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| 07:58.01 | Amarande | yay, good thing EPL got me to 49 and I didn't have to do Badlands |
| 07:58.25 | DesertDwarf | Re: Curseforge release versions -- Nevermind. My brain's memory worked. Yay! |
| 07:58.27 | Amarande | due to Blizzard's obsessive measures to make sure people don't get into the new zones before Cata, apparently going to Badlands right now *sucks ass* |
| 07:59.39 | Amarande | You're supposed to get there initially from Eastern Plaguelands via the rocket. |
| 08:00.11 | Amarande | Guess what? They care more about keeping you out of Twilight Highlands before you have purchased and activated Cata! So the rocket tries to zip through there ... and you get No Man's Landed into Wetlands. |
| 08:00.23 | Amarande | And the place you're supposed to *start* Badlands at ... is all the way across the zone from the on-foot entrance. Oops. |
| 08:02.04 | Amarande | I know I'm known among some for QQing ... but it seems like there's an ever increasing tide of "did they test this at all??" on Wowhead, too |
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| 08:11.42 | Fisker | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:11.43 | Fisker | :( |
| 08:11.58 | bluspacecow | [Frightmare] from Desolution Hold in Southern Barrens ... that's a cool quest :) |
| 08:12.02 | bluspacecow | fisker |
| 08:12.03 | bluspacecow | its |
| 08:12.04 | bluspacecow | cause |
| 08:12.09 | bluspacecow | you haven't killed a man today |
| 08:12.55 | Fisker | i wish it was that simple |
| 08:13.00 | Fisker | but i already got a kill today |
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| 08:28.56 | bluspacecow | you needs a doctor ! |
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| 08:56.17 | batrick | Is there an API function that returns the current continent? |
| 08:56.23 | batrick | Pretty sure there isn't? |
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| 09:00.01 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 09:00.03 | Fisker | hey batrick |
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| 09:12.28 | nevcairiel | batrick: there is |
| 09:12.35 | nevcairiel | well |
| 09:12.42 | nevcairiel | it returns the continent selected on the map |
| 09:13.20 | nevcairiel | Which you could fix by calling SetMapToCurrentZone() |
| 09:13.39 | batrick | what an amazing hack |
| 09:13.51 | nevcairiel | all the map functions are fun like that |
| 09:14.34 | batrick | ugh |
| 09:14.51 | batrick | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:14.52 | batrick | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:14.56 | batrick | not on wowpedia |
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| 09:17.40 | nevcairiel | !api GetCurrentMapContinent |
| 09:17.42 | lua_bot | GetCurrentMapContinent: Returns the current world map continent (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetCurrentMapContinent) |
| 09:18.56 | jnwhiteh | batrick: you should know better than that :P |
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| 09:22.27 | batrick | i should |
| 09:22.46 | batrick | anyway |
| 09:22.48 | batrick | that's pretty evil |
| 09:22.53 | jnwhiteh | even if wowpedia sometimes has better documentation, wowprogramming always 100% reflects the C-based WoW API and Widget API |
| 09:22.57 | jnwhiteh | the map system is stateful, yes. |
| 09:22.57 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 09:23.08 | jnwhiteh | been a problem for us for a long time now. |
| 09:23.26 | batrick | how confusing |
| 09:23.33 | batrick | anyway |
| 09:23.42 | batrick | that makes my stupid mount addon that much more compilcated |
| 09:23.45 | batrick | great |
| 09:23.48 | batrick | night all |
| 09:27.29 | nevcairiel | you could map getrealzonetext or what its called against a pre-computed list of zone names |
| 09:27.33 | nevcairiel | the list you can get from the API once |
| 09:29.33 | jnwhiteh | yeah that would work |
| 09:33.08 | airtonix | jnwhiteh, have you ever made a homescreen widget that launches the calendar ? |
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| 12:11.22 | Maldivia | ~botsnack |
| 12:11.22 | purl | thanks, Maldivia |
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| 12:42.32 | jnwhiteh | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info18889-WowheadPoints.html and http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/wowheadpoints/ |
| 12:44.20 | foxlit | http://s.wowinterface.com/preview/pvw47118.png |
| 12:44.22 | foxlit | that is um, weird. |
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| 12:44.34 | jnwhiteh | why? |
| 12:44.46 | harl | wuff wuff |
| 12:44.52 | jnwhiteh | foxlit: whats weird about it? |
| 12:44.57 | foxlit | Though I don't think it's your fault. |
| 12:45.09 | jnwhiteh | I assume you mean the tank stat being so high? |
| 12:45.13 | foxlit | It's just that the scales are completely unrelated to each other -- it's weird to see that tank score. |
| 12:45.19 | jnwhiteh | *nod* |
| 12:45.21 | jnwhiteh | they're completely unrelated |
| 12:45.26 | jnwhiteh | its just for within-scale comparison |
| 12:45.31 | jnwhiteh | and it works brilliantly for that |
| 12:45.54 | jnwhiteh | its also based around end-game desired stats.. but it works :P |
| 12:46.22 | jnwhiteh | need to decide what the 'best' gems are for any given slot |
| 12:46.28 | jnwhiteh | so I can add a modifier for that |
| 12:46.30 | jnwhiteh | but I'm in no rush :P |
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| 12:47.51 | [Wobin] | jnwhiteh: perhaps a filter of the types |
| 12:47.53 | foxlit | Hm, maybe it'd make sense to normalize those. |
| 12:47.54 | [Wobin] | since they're unrelated |
| 12:48.01 | [Wobin] | so you only see the rating for your type |
| 12:48.09 | [Wobin] | less confusing than having them all there |
| 12:48.37 | [Wobin] | or show all types on a modifier |
| 12:48.48 | [Wobin] | so you can shop for other toons |
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| 12:51.24 | jnwhiteh | I don't find it confusing at all *shrug* |
| 12:52.33 | Fisker | wowheadpoints is the new gearscore |
| 12:52.34 | Fisker | get him! |
| 12:52.35 | [Wobin] | well, more, when you're using the numbers do you use -all- of them? |
| 12:52.36 | Bluspacecow | *grabs fisker by the hands* |
| 12:52.40 | Bluspacecow | *Barn Dance* |
| 12:52.47 | jnwhiteh | [Wobin]: no, but I use at least two at a time. |
| 12:52.54 | jnwhiteh | I do have dual spec, as do most people |
| 12:52.59 | jnwhiteh | so cutting any of them out is a bit silly |
| 12:53.08 | jnwhiteh | I'm also not specced feral, but am collecting feral gear |
| 12:53.12 | jnwhiteh | and like to know what I can throw out |
| 12:53.16 | airtonix | sorry i use gearscore, your argument is irrelevant |
| 12:53.26 | [Wobin] | not permanently cutting them out, but perhaps an option to hide the irrelevent one |
| 12:53.27 | [Wobin] | s |
| 12:53.34 | jnwhiteh | possible |
| 12:53.48 | jnwhiteh | I dont know that I'm motivated to write options for it :P |
| 12:53.58 | jnwhiteh | other than an enable/disable option |
| 12:53.59 | [Wobin] | especially since it's much easier to figure out specs now |
| 12:54.00 | airtonix | yeah dont bother |
| 12:54.29 | [Wobin] | Sorry airtonix, your argument has no validity, you use Gearscore =P |
| 12:54.47 | jnwhiteh | [Wobin]: for druid you would be showing 2 minimum, 3 in a normal situation |
| 12:54.52 | airtonix | your text is red, your counter-argument is irrelevant |
| 12:54.54 | Bluspacecow | I have a fish in my ear |
| 12:55.03 | jnwhiteh | but yeah, we'll see if I feel like adding an option in the future. |
| 12:55.14 | airtonix | nah, don't |
| 12:55.14 | Bluspacecow | therefore my standards are irrelvant |
| 12:55.25 | airtonix | jnwhiteh, have some beer instead. |
| 12:55.32 | jnwhiteh | foxlit: if you have ideas for how to normalize them, I'm open.. but the raw scores seem to work :P |
| 12:55.41 | foxlit | Find the item with the maximum score |
| 12:55.52 | airtonix | think of all the porn you could watch instead of wasting time on making silly littel configuration interfaces |
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| 12:55.54 | foxlit | Then (score)/maximum*10000 |
| 12:56.15 | [Wobin] | airtonix seems to be working rather hard at this suggestion. What's he trying to hide? =P |
| 12:56.19 | jnwhiteh | hrm, I'm not sure I want to do a full inventory scan |
| 12:56.41 | foxlit | Not on the current character; just ask wowhead. |
| 12:56.52 | airtonix | [Wobin], i hate your brackets |
| 12:56.59 | [Wobin] | airtonix: I hate your face |
| 12:57.01 | foxlit | It's the globally best item you're after, just to know how the scale ranges. |
| 12:57.07 | airtonix | pelase squeeze my nipples |
| 12:57.12 | [Wobin] | airtonix: Your -mom- hates your face |
| 12:57.19 | airtonix | :( |
| 12:57.50 | [Wobin] | foxlit: are we looking for what's technically BiS according to wowhead, or a comparison value to what you currently have? |
| 12:58.31 | [Wobin] | I'd imagine you'd have to do it by item type |
| 12:58.37 | jnwhiteh | yeah, a bit too much work |
| 12:58.41 | foxlit | [Wobin]: the former. The point is to get the scales... on the same scale. |
| 12:58.42 | jnwhiteh | I only had it Druid/Warrior initially |
| 12:58.47 | jnwhiteh | because I didn't even want to put the other stats in |
| 12:59.05 | jnwhiteh | the addon is designed to let you compare two items to see which is better for a given spec |
| 12:59.13 | jnwhiteh | don't need any adjustmets for that :P |
| 12:59.24 | [Wobin] | sort of like TAnkPoints |
| 12:59.32 | jnwhiteh | sure, and Pawn |
| 12:59.35 | jnwhiteh | and a few others |
| 12:59.39 | jnwhiteh | this is just barebones :P |
| 12:59.49 | jnwhiteh | and now I could set up DTK to use it |
| 13:00.02 | jnwhiteh | and probably will at some point |
| 13:02.17 | jnwhiteh | next step |
| 13:02.22 | jnwhiteh | WowheadGearScore! |
| 13:02.27 | foxlit | "yeah, a bit too much work" << seems like a constant per scale. |
| 13:02.32 | [Wobin] | Step 3: ... |
| 13:02.35 | [Wobin] | Step 4: Profit!! |
| 13:02.39 | jnwhiteh | foxlit: but I have to look them up |
| 13:02.43 | foxlit | aww? |
| 13:02.45 | jnwhiteh | that's work, in my book =) |
| 13:02.49 | airtonix | steals [Wobin]s profits |
| 13:02.50 | foxlit | You had to look up the scales, too. |
| 13:02.56 | jnwhiteh | yes |
| 13:02.58 | jnwhiteh | and I hated doing that |
| 13:03.06 | jnwhiteh | I'm not going through each slot for each spec |
| 13:03.10 | jnwhiteh | I'd stab myself in the face. |
| 13:03.17 | jnwhiteh | if someone wants to provide me with data, I'll happily do it. |
| 13:03.21 | airtonix | nah |
| 13:03.24 | jnwhiteh | it would indeed be nice |
| 13:03.29 | foxlit | Do you actually need each slot? |
| 13:03.44 | jnwhiteh | I don't know, depends on what you're proposing |
| 13:04.32 | foxlit | Just a single maximum score for each scale -- to figure out whether they go up to 9000 or 90000 |
| 13:05.13 | jnwhiteh | as I said, if someone wants to give me a Lua table, I'll make changes |
| 13:05.16 | jnwhiteh | hell I'll open up the repo =) |
| 13:12.16 | jnwhiteh | haha |
| 13:12.34 | jnwhiteh | my resto wowheadgearscore is 239.303k |
| 13:13.14 | jnwhiteh | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/f599f7f7efac5ad691e3ee7b66f2878a.png |
| 13:18.57 | foxlit | Interestingly, your scores are much higher than wowhead's. |
| 13:19.20 | jnwhiteh | yeah, they can normalize with an easy query :P |
| 13:19.27 | jnwhiteh | they also don't say how they calculate them |
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| 13:19.53 | jnwhiteh | mine is sigma(weight + stat) |
| 13:20.30 | jnwhiteh | err * |
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| 13:22.48 | foxlit | You're ignoring armor? |
| 13:23.30 | jnwhiteh | base armor, yes |
| 13:23.31 | jnwhiteh | additional armor, no |
| 13:26.28 | foxlit | they don't, but this doesn't really help. |
| 13:29.11 | jnwhiteh | the javascript is somewhere =) |
| 13:29.18 | jnwhiteh | i'm just not terribly bothered |
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| 13:32.12 | airtonix | maybe you need some chicken soup |
| 13:36.15 | mikma | sioraiocht: it's -14c in here already |
| 13:37.01 | sioraiocht | damn |
| 13:37.01 | sioraiocht | is -1 here |
| 13:37.01 | sioraiocht | was -7 last night |
| 13:37.01 | sioraiocht | crazy! |
| 13:37.01 | mikma | sioraiocht: http://alk.tiehallinto.fi/alk/kelikamerat/kamera-C0450700.html |
| 13:37.16 | mikma | sioraiocht: air -13.3, road -13.4 |
| 13:37.38 | sioraiocht | beautiful! |
| 13:37.44 | sioraiocht | mikma: any northern lights at night? |
| 13:38.03 | mikma | sioraiocht: not yet |
| 13:38.27 | sioraiocht | :D |
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| 13:38.39 | sioraiocht | what do you do for a living anyway, mikma? |
| 13:41.34 | mikma | sioraiocht: helper of demolition expert / driver / driller |
| 13:41.43 | sioraiocht | cool |
| 13:41.50 | sioraiocht | always wondered =) |
| 13:41.56 | sioraiocht | lots to blow up? |
| 13:42.18 | mikma | sioraiocht: http://mikma.eu/mining/ |
| 13:42.46 | mikma | brb, coffee with guildies :D |
| 13:53.07 | Warlocomotif | heh |
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| 14:01.06 | mikma | aaaand time to head home |
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| 14:29.58 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: yo |
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| 14:37.34 | Nobgul | 0_o |
| 14:38.58 | aualin | Hey everyone! I stumbled upon a little problem recently, i want to detect when the player engages a boss. So i tried the INSTANCE_ENCOUNTER_ENGAGE_UNIT event, but this only seems to work for bosses that were added in the cata patch... The only other way i can think of is adding the unitid of every boss to some table, and then everytime something happens in the combat log that is related to the boss happens, i can assume he is engaged |
| 14:39.01 | aualin | Any other ides? |
| 14:39.03 | aualin | ideas* |
| 14:39.27 | Bluspacecow | http://i53.tinypic.com/vorbib.jpg <--- WANT! |
| 14:39.43 | [Wobin] | Bluspacecow: so go do the questchain |
| 14:41.35 | Thunder_Child | yes Kraps? |
| 14:41.40 | mikma | aualin: see how Deadly Boss Mods does it |
| 14:41.53 | Bluspacecow | i can't I is @ work |
| 14:41.54 | Bluspacecow | :( |
| 14:42.03 | aualin | I believe they do it after unitid's and checking if the boss pops up in the combat log |
| 14:42.04 | airtonix_ | your leik brackets ? |
| 14:42.04 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: ima ping you in another 4 hours k? |
| 14:42.22 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: uhhh...sure... |
| 14:42.23 | aualin | But this is really the simplest solution for them, since they don't care about bosses they don't have tactis on |
| 14:42.38 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: i'm kidding |
| 14:42.44 | mikma | well there ain't no easy way of doing the bossdetection anyway |
| 14:42.57 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: you buy anything yesterday? |
| 14:43.10 | mikma | all you can do is sniff when unitid loses health from 100% |
| 14:43.24 | mikma | or, usually bosses have emotes / yells |
| 14:43.56 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: Lara Croft GOL, Indie Pulse Pack, Grand Theft Auto: Episodes from Liberty City |
| 14:44.08 | aualin | Yeah, but i would still need to write down all the unitid's for the bosses :( |
| 14:44.14 | mikma | yeap |
| 14:44.18 | mikma | unfortunately |
| 14:44.20 | Kraps | damn peer pressure! |
| 14:44.24 | Bluspacecow | @Thunder WTB special on Portal :( |
| 14:44.34 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: so i added up, $102 since the deals started |
| 14:44.41 | Kraps | hah |
| 14:44.48 | aualin | Another idea is to use GetInstanceLockTimeRemainingEncounter(id) and check for names instead |
| 14:44.54 | Thunder_Child | Bluspacecow: what special? |
| 14:45.08 | Kraps | i've spent less i think |
| 14:45.11 | Bluspacecow | Steam specials ? |
| 14:45.16 | Thunder_Child | you have more than me |
| 14:45.18 | mikma | aualin: well that wouldnt work |
| 14:45.25 | airtonix_ | Bluspacecow, my steam is special |
| 14:45.29 | Thunder_Child | Bluspacecow: i think they did, but only as a pack |
| 14:45.29 | mikma | aualin: since it gets changed only when the boss is killed |
| 14:45.32 | airtonix_ | :) |
| 14:45.41 | Thunder_Child | could be wrong though |
| 14:45.59 | aualin | mikma: Oh, but it wouldn't need to write down all the unitid's. Even though i would still have to sniff around |
| 14:46.10 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: nowai |
| 14:46.19 | mikma | aualin: https://github.com/tekkub/eminence |
| 14:46.42 | mikma | aualin: that's how tekkub does it |
| 14:46.57 | aualin | mikma: As i said, or i should take a look at his code? |
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| 14:48.12 | mikma | aualin: UnitAffectingCombat(unit) <- there's your magicks |
| 14:50.08 | mikma | aualin: local f = CreateFrame("Frame");f:SetScript("OnUpdate", function() if UnitAffectingCombat(unit) then foo() end end) ;) |
| 14:51.56 | mikma | cairenn|afk: http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/cat76.jpg |
| 14:59.39 | Bluspacecow | Curious cat is Curious |
| 15:01.05 | Bluspacecow | ~Trout bluspacecow |
| 15:01.06 | purl | ACTION slaps bluspacecow around a bit with a large trout! |
| 15:01.28 | aualin | mikma: Thanks a lot for the help ;) |
| 15:12.52 | Nobgul | ~api agro |
| 15:12.52 | purl | !api agro |
| 15:12.54 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'agro'. |
| 15:12.59 | Nobgul | err threat i reckon |
| 15:14.10 | Bluspacecow | agro ? don't you mean aggro ? |
| 15:14.44 | Nobgul | yer im still sleepy =P |
| 15:15.03 | Nobgul | !api ThreatUpdate |
| 15:15.03 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'ThreatUpdate'. |
| 15:15.09 | Nobgul | slah cry |
| 15:16.16 | Nobgul | Do i need to do anything crazy to use cvars in my addon or just add them into the file? |
| 15:16.20 | Thunder_Child | !api Threat |
| 15:16.20 | lua_bot | Found 7 possible results for 'Threat': UNIT_THREAT_LIST_UPDATE, UNIT_THREAT_SITUATION_UPDATE, UnitIsTappedByAllThreatList, UnitDetailedThreatSituation, GetThreatStatusColor, UnitThreatSituation, IsThreatWarningEnabled |
| 15:16.28 | Bluspacecow | wonder if there's any affro calls in the Api ? |
| 15:17.06 | Nobgul | BloatThreat |
| 15:17.15 | Nobgul | and bloatnameplates. |
| 15:17.40 | Nobgul | SetCVar("bloatthreat", 1) <----- |
| 15:17.44 | airtonix_ | ld |
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| 15:43.50 | Lulia | Hey |
| 15:45.40 | Lulia | Dajova no gone? ;) |
| 15:46.09 | Dajova | was doin the dishes :P |
| 15:46.36 | Dajova | a man's gotta go what he's gotta do, ya know. |
| 15:47.40 | Lulia | Yes :P |
| 15:49.15 | Lulia | Hmm, what's the command again for last seen? |
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| 15:52.30 | dusf_ | do any of you play wow on linux using wine? |
| 15:52.54 | Nobgul | Yes sometimes |
| 15:53.02 | dusf_ | i haven't played for a few months and although fps was bad in dala before, now i've upgraded to cata i literally cannot move my chracter |
| 15:53.06 | Nobgul | ~seen Cairenn |
| 15:53.17 | purl | cairenn <~Cairenn@MMOI/Administratrix/Cairenn> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 18h 8m 16s ago, saying: 'I swear, I'll /mode +m the channel and go afk for the next 24 hrs if you guys start to :p'. |
| 15:53.39 | Nobgul | dusf_, I had issues with fps as well. Sop i just run a vm ware windows install and play wow on that. |
| 15:53.56 | dusf_ | Nobgul: how is it? |
| 15:55.18 | Nobgul | Its fine just like playing on windows |
| 15:55.37 | Nobgul | I don't have any lag issues at all |
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| 15:57.24 | Nobgul | I accually like the setup i have. If something goes wrong with the windows vm machine. I just delete it and boot it from a saved image |
| 16:04.57 | Bluspacecow | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1126997397 |
| 16:04.58 | Bluspacecow | wtf |
| 16:05.48 | dusf_ | nobgul: ty |
| 16:05.57 | Nobgul | np |
| 16:10.29 | Zas|Pub | Can EU members not post on the US boards? |
| 16:10.37 | cbreak | no |
| 16:10.43 | Zas|Pub | Thats shit! |
| 16:11.00 | cbreak | I got banned for making fun of that on the SC 2 boards once :/ |
| 16:11.09 | Nobgul | lol |
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| 16:23.15 | Lulia | ~seen nevcairiel |
| 16:23.18 | purl | nevcairiel <~nev@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Ace3/nevcairiel> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 3h 55m 28s ago, saying: 'but you'll figure it out'. |
| 16:25.12 | Humbedooh | what'd you break this time, Lulia? :| |
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| 16:33.57 | cbreak | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/11/going-commando.ars "How the TSA handles a true Scotsman" |
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| 16:42.02 | Nobgul | Lulia, my friend my buddy my pal =P |
| 16:48.01 | LebQzz | hmm why doesnt eu look like that omg |
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| 16:48.50 | mikma | Left 4 Dead 2 is 5e in steam for 1h+ |
| 16:50.06 | Zasurus | Anyone know why my toon's pic on the forums is blacked out? http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/chamber-of-aspects/zasurus/simple |
| 16:50.23 | Fisker | mikma |
| 16:50.30 | Nobgul | They found it offensive? |
| 16:50.31 | Fisker | you've been invited to the cataclysm beta |
| 16:50.35 | Fisker | username and pass pl0x |
| 16:50.37 | Nobgul | lol Fisker |
| 16:50.42 | LebQzz | i like the effect though |
| 16:51.07 | Nobgul | Zasurus, it could be because its such a low level? |
| 16:51.17 | Zasurus | 40 isn't low :( LOL |
| 16:51.20 | Nobgul | the geat that is |
| 16:51.22 | Nobgul | gear |
| 16:51.40 | Zasurus | Yer havn't that toon for years.. :D |
| 16:52.31 | mikma | fisker: ihatefisker and heisanoob |
| 16:52.42 | Zasurus | Yer that might make sence... my 68 druid and 80 hunter are coloured fine |
| 16:53.10 | Nobgul | I just checked one of my old low levels and iots grey |
| 16:53.20 | Fisker | you have to merge it to battle.net first mikma |
| 16:53.28 | airtonix_ | make sense fisker |
| 16:53.30 | mikma | fisker: i have |
| 16:53.51 | LebQzz | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Sunstrider&cn=Clefth%C3%B6f |
| 16:53.57 | LebQzz | lol what do you get when you go there? |
| 16:54.05 | Fisker | "ihatefisker" is not a valid email mikma |
| 16:54.07 | Nobgul | a error |
| 16:54.12 | LebQzz | lol go go armory |
| 16:54.24 | Nobgul | Your using the wrong 1 |
| 16:54.44 | Humbedooh | ih@tefisker then! |
| 16:54.59 | Nobgul | http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/Sunstrider/Clefth%C3%B6f/ |
| 16:55.02 | Nobgul | ^^ |
| 16:55.04 | Fisker | that isn't either |
| 16:55.05 | mikma | fisker: @gmail.com |
| 16:55.11 | airtonix_ | lol |
| 16:55.20 | Humbedooh | it's a valid address, Fisker |
| 16:55.24 | Humbedooh | might not go anywhere, but it's valid |
| 16:55.28 | LebQzz | aaaaah they miss the / at the end |
| 16:55.50 | Zasurus | My old US account had a toon called Zasurus aswell and I was thinking of reactivating it... It is still on the wow armory http://www.wowarmory.com/search.xml?searchQuery=Zasurus&searchType=all BUT when I merged my old account with my battle.net account it doesn't have this toon only some other ones :( |
| 16:55.56 | Fisker | nope Humbedooh |
| 16:56.04 | Humbedooh | yes Fisker |
| 16:57.25 | LebQzz | look at my feed i got 15 and 20 exalted achievements at the same time lolz |
| 16:57.26 | Humbedooh | SMTP RFC clearly states; <domain> ::= <element> | <element> "." <domain> |
| 16:57.58 | Humbedooh | mayhap a server upgrade, LebQzz? |
| 16:59.31 | LebQzz | hehe maybe |
| 16:59.37 | LebQzz | after the patch thing |
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| 17:02.42 | Cide | Humbedooh: that's only the domain though, no? |
| 17:03.29 | Cide | it may be a valid domain (top level domain) but I doubt it's a valid email address |
| 17:03.45 | Cide | could be wrong though |
| 17:03.46 | Humbedooh | syntactically it is |
| 17:03.55 | Cide | it's not explicit from your paste in any case |
| 17:04.22 | Humbedooh | <at-domain> ::= "@" <domain> |
| 17:04.22 | Humbedooh | <domain> ::= <element> | <element> "." <domain> |
| 17:04.22 | Humbedooh | <element> ::= <name> | "#" <number> | "[" <dotnum> "]" |
| 17:04.22 | Humbedooh | <mailbox> ::= <local-part> "@" <domain> |
| 17:04.37 | Cide | so a mailbox requires "@" |
| 17:04.45 | Humbedooh | I did have a @! |
| 17:04.51 | Cide | oh |
| 17:04.57 | Humbedooh | ih@tefisker :\ |
| 17:04.58 | Cide | I thought we were still at "ihatefisker" |
| 17:05.00 | Fisker | it requires a domain |
| 17:05.01 | Cide | didn't see that |
| 17:05.04 | Fisker | tefisker is not a domain |
| 17:05.10 | Cide | it can be |
| 17:05.14 | Fisker | no |
| 17:05.15 | Cide | it's not a current top level domain |
| 17:05.18 | Cide | but it can be |
| 17:05.27 | Humbedooh | it should be |
| 17:05.41 | Humbedooh | so we could all make fun of fisker! |
| 17:05.56 | Humbedooh | starts a petition! |
| 17:07.15 | Cide | you don't need a petition anymore |
| 17:07.18 | Cide | just a shitton of money |
| 17:07.22 | airtonix_ | Fisker, |
| 17:07.45 | airtonix_ | there seems to be a problem with your credit card |
| 17:08.24 | Fisker | i don't use a credit card |
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| 17:09.58 | Fisker | hey ckknight |
| 17:10.13 | ckknight | hey Fisker |
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| 17:15.58 | zenzelezz | so, I see that Gamon's elite status hasn't made him less of a target |
| 17:16.24 | Maldivia | just made it more of a fair fight |
| 17:16.33 | Nobgul | Yea. |
| 17:18.18 | Nobgul | Still it's funny looking at dead bodies of the people who try to kill him. |
| 17:19.10 | Lulia | So apparently questing might be faster for leveling now than dungeon running? |
| 17:19.25 | Zasurus | It was getting that way for a while now. |
| 17:19.29 | Zasurus | Should be that way too! |
| 17:19.31 | Zasurus | ;-) |
| 17:19.40 | Lulia | It wasn't that way in 4.0.1 :P |
| 17:19.47 | Lulia | It's definitely changed in 4.0.3 |
| 17:19.54 | airtonix_ | you were doing it wrong then |
| 17:19.55 | Lulia | But now I have to figure out where to start questing with my char |
| 17:19.58 | Zasurus | Well it is only faster if you know what you know what quests to do etc |
| 17:20.09 | airtonix_ | it's been that way since burning crusade |
| 17:20.16 | Lulia | airtonix: With the dungeon finder it was a lot faster to just spam dungeon run |
| 17:20.19 | Zasurus | ^ |
| 17:20.19 | Lulia | Especially as a tank |
| 17:20.24 | airtonix_ | not really |
| 17:20.29 | Lulia | Yes really, I promise you |
| 17:20.38 | airtonix_ | no i really promise you it is not |
| 17:20.41 | Zasurus | I am with airtonix |
| 17:20.50 | Zasurus | BUT only if you know how to quest |
| 17:20.53 | Lulia | Instant dungeon queues, fast dungeon runs |
| 17:21.00 | airtonix_ | and questhelper does not count as "knowing which quests to do" |
| 17:21.04 | Nobgul | You get more overall exp from questing. If you take the quests that don't require insane droped items |
| 17:21.09 | Zasurus | lol no |
| 17:21.29 | Lulia | In any case, something seems to have changed in 4.0.3 |
| 17:21.43 | Zasurus | That's what I mean by knowning what your doing. Both on what quests to take and leave and how to do the quests |
| 17:22.09 | Nobgul | There is a addon on the site. I think its pro leveling guides or something aparently that is susposted to help streamline what quests to take etc. |
| 17:22.39 | Zasurus | Zygor Guides is one... But it can get tedious as you always do the same quests |
| 17:22.52 | Nobgul | This one is free. |
| 17:22.57 | Zasurus | Well that is if you level more than one toon |
| 17:23.22 | Nobgul | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info17571-WoW-ProGuides.html |
| 17:23.50 | Lulia | Well, in any case, dungeon finder was faster if you're not in some little in-group that knows the specific order to do quests |
| 17:23.56 | Lulia | But that may not be the case anymore |
| 17:23.59 | airtonix_ | group? |
| 17:24.03 | airtonix_ | do it solo |
| 17:24.06 | Zasurus | Yer there are free ones but the same problem happens. There are only a few streamlined routes so if u level more than a few toons you do the same quests each time and it can get boaring (But not as bad as doing the same dungeon for 5 levels!) |
| 17:24.07 | Lulia | No |
| 17:24.18 | Lulia | in-group as in "I know this, but I'm going to say I know it but not tell you" |
| 17:24.31 | Lulia | That's worthless |
| 17:24.44 | airtonix_ | what? |
| 17:24.46 | Nobgul | Zasurus, I agree, doing scarlet monastary is ugh |
| 17:25.09 | Lulia | You can wag your e-peen and say how you know the most efficient way to level via specific quests, but that doesn't help the average user. |
| 17:25.11 | Zasurus | :) Yer and that damn mana tumb or what ever it's called as a healer sucked |
| 17:25.22 | airtonix_ | oook |
| 17:25.30 | Lulia | So, for most people, simply running straight dungeons through the dungeon finder has been faster. |
| 17:25.38 | airtonix_ | i dont know |
| 17:25.41 | airtonix_ | reading is easy |
| 17:25.54 | Zasurus | Lulia: It's personal preference :) I like to do a dungeons one toon and questing on another |
| 17:25.59 | airtonix_ | or maybe it's just because i can read |
| 17:26.00 | Lulia | I found that Zygor's leveling guides were good but not faster than the dungeon finder. |
| 17:26.07 | Zasurus | Airtonix: No reading isn't easy! :P |
| 17:26.14 | Lulia | You can be a dick all you want, airtonix, it doesn't actually prove your point. |
| 17:26.15 | Zasurus | Not for everyone |
| 17:26.18 | airtonix_ | who is zygor ? |
| 17:26.27 | airtonix_ | sounds kinky |
| 17:26.28 | Zasurus | It's a guide |
| 17:26.30 | Zasurus | lol |
| 17:26.50 | Lulia | It's a guide for streamlined questing. But I've still found running dungeons to be faster than it. |
| 17:27.11 | airtonix_ | must not be good if i haven't heard of it |
| 17:27.31 | Zasurus | One way of looking at it.. I like it |
| 17:27.52 | airtonix_ | hah |
| 17:27.57 | airtonix_ | "best selling" |
| 17:28.13 | Lulia | Yeah, definitely not buying a guide. |
| 17:29.00 | Nobgul | I have the zygor, one of my guild members got it for a gift last year and never used it. They sent me all the info. I used it 1 time and never again |
| 17:29.08 | Mr_Rabies | is there another LDB addon for displaying location other than http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/broker_location.aspx ? Broker_Location is somewhat broken after 4.0.3a :[ |
| 17:29.32 | Nobgul | Mr_Rabies, hold a sec. i just saw one on the site. |
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| 17:29.47 | Lulia | I thought Zygor was the free one |
| 17:29.53 | Lulia | Maybe I'm thinking of a different one then |
| 17:29.54 | Lulia | Hmm |
| 17:30.07 | Nobgul | Mabey I am. |
| 17:30.24 | Nobgul | Nay you hVe to pay for zygor |
| 17:30.33 | airtonix_ | hilarious |
| 17:30.35 | Lulia | I'm thinking of a different one then |
| 17:30.48 | airtonix_ | have you seen the domains names |
| 17:30.57 | Lulia | In any case, it wasn't as efficient as running straight dungeons. But that may have changed with 4.0.3 |
| 17:31.14 | airtonix_ | zygorguidesreviews.com ::: Zygor Guides - The Real Truth About Zygor Guides... |
| 17:31.17 | airtonix_ | lulz |
| 17:31.33 | Mr_Rabies | i'm actually thinking about taking off my heirlooms because i'm leveling too fast as of 4.0.3a |
| 17:31.57 | Mr_Rabies | got to 30 in a few hours |
| 17:32.18 | Nobgul | Mr_Rabies, i can't find it atm but i know i saw one. Aswell skybreaker ui has a working on in it. |
| 17:32.40 | Lulia | If my Warrior isn't level 80, I'm not leveling too fast ;) |
| 17:32.57 | Mr_Rabies | it seems to be the library that's broken, i might try updating it but i'm hopeless when it comes to that stuff :p |
| 17:33.02 | dardack | someone mentioned you can macro looting a body close to you, anyone know how this is done |
| 17:33.07 | Lulia | I think the guide I was using was "Jame's Guide" on WoW Pro |
| 17:33.25 | Mr_Rabies | Message: ...roker_Location\lib\LibTourist-3.0\LibTourist-3.0.lua line 3452: |
| 17:33.25 | Mr_Rabies | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:37.25 | Nobgul | dardack: there is a mouseover |
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| 17:39.00 | dardack | nobgul for loot? |
| 17:39.12 | dardack | cause i see there's a new eng item, allows you to loot closest mob to you |
| 17:39.22 | dardack | so figured they may have added an api now |
| 17:40.29 | Nobgul | dardack, as i understand from a long time ago, you can make a mouseover macro that loots the corpse. But it uses a keybind as well i think. |
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| 18:01.26 | Fisker | jnwhiteh my man |
| 18:01.28 | Fisker | you there? |
| 18:04.55 | Vilkku | Anyone who has any experience in modifying the blizzard spell overlays (aka blizz power auras)? Or I guess anyone who has any idea how I could go on doing this |
| 18:05.36 | Vilkku | basically, I made a mod that showed an effect for a proc that blizzard didn't include originally, so I just used the same code as they did to show the overlay when I wanted it |
| 18:06.02 | Vilkku | however, they now added it to the game, but I would like to keep my mod going as a more customizeable version of the blizzard overlay |
| 18:06.24 | Vilkku | so I need to somehow disable or change the behavior of the blizzard overlay without disabling all overlays for all effects |
| 18:07.38 | Thunder_Child | steam glitched again |
| 18:09.23 | Iriel | Lots of -0% |
| 18:09.28 | Teomyr | what a deal! |
| 18:09.39 | Thunder_Child | i know, it's better than usual |
| 18:10.08 | kd3 | probably because world+dog is on steam right now looking for the new deal |
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| 18:10.48 | rosco762 | Morning |
| 18:11.50 | Dagmar | Oh they have some AWESOME deals up now! 0% off on everything! |
| 18:11.53 | mikma | hah |
| 18:11.56 | mikma | orange box 7,50e |
| 18:12.48 | Dagmar | Yeah I'd only be getting that for TF2 which I don't really care that much about |
| 18:12.56 | Dagmar | I'd rather have EP3. |
| 18:13.25 | Maldivia | hoping for a good offer on the ball, looks neat :) |
| 18:14.01 | Dagmar | Intersting. L4D2 is still on sale |
| 18:14.12 | Maldivia | all of yesterday is |
| 18:14.31 | Maldivia | ok, seems the percentages are fixed now |
| 18:15.26 | mikma | maldivia: the ball, 8.99e |
| 18:15.38 | Thunder_Child | not for me |
| 18:15.44 | Thunder_Child | M&B still @ 0 |
| 18:15.47 | mikma | http://store.steampowered.com/app/35460/ |
| 18:15.49 | Dagmar | There we go... Some of the discounts are filling in now |
| 18:15.56 | Maldivia | mikma: was hoping for 66 or 75% :) |
| 18:16.27 | Maldivia | and no indie pack today :( |
| 18:16.41 | mikma | well, -50% |
| 18:17.03 | Kraps | http://i.imgur.com/QoQ0E.png |
| 18:17.08 | Maldivia | ok, now the ball is 0% again |
| 18:18.02 | mikma | -50 for me |
| 18:18.35 | Thunder_Child | it just seems like an expansion on the grav gun from HL2 |
| 18:18.40 | mikma | yeah |
| 18:18.50 | Dagmar | Damnit |
| 18:18.59 | Thunder_Child | ok, they are all fixed for me now |
| 18:20.17 | Dajova | http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/easy-portal-adver/ <--- like the normal spam wasn't enough -.-" |
| 18:21.08 | Kraps | Maldivia: well you can get world of goo and bit.trip beat, both of which were essentially 99 cents earlier in the week... :p |
| 18:22.37 | Maldivia | Kraps: have them yeah :) |
| 18:22.56 | Lulia | Bah, where's Nev :P |
| 18:23.09 | Maldivia | [19:20:17] < Dajova> http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/easy-portal-adver/ <--- like the normal spam wasn't enough -.-" |
| 18:23.27 | Lulia | I just added something to Bartender, I want to see if he wants to add it >.> |
| 18:23.36 | Dajova | yes? |
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| 18:24.55 | Thunder_Child | wow, steam is really glitching out today |
| 18:25.12 | Thunder_Child | says my CC was declined, but it went through anyway' |
| 18:25.26 | Dagmar | It keeps loging me out |
| 18:25.36 | Thunder_Child | yea |
| 18:25.42 | Thunder_Child | took me a while to get back to my cart |
| 18:26.38 | Kraps | they're getting slammed right now, you should know this :p |
| 18:26.50 | Thunder_Child | wasnt this bad the last few days |
| 18:27.02 | Dagmar | I don't care about those other people. |
| 18:27.07 | Dagmar | This is about what I want. |
| 18:27.24 | Kraps | this game is seriously addicting btw http://store.steampowered.com/app/70400/ |
| 18:27.25 | Thunder_Child | i'm just glad my net connection got bumbed up before this happened |
| 18:27.36 | Thunder_Child | bumped* |
| 18:27.50 | Dagmar | Blah... Card declined? Not funny. |
| 18:28.01 | Thunder_Child | it prolly went through |
| 18:28.39 | Dagmar | It did the second time |
| 18:34.19 | zenzelezz | go me! Train herbalism and skinning on my alt, then forget to use |
| 18:35.22 | Dagmar | Man they're full of win today over at Steam |
| 18:36.23 | Dagmar | So, Just Cause 2, $30... |
| 18:36.34 | Dagmar | Seven DLCs, $9. |
| 18:36.52 | Dagmar | Just Cause 2 "8 Pack" price? $59.99 |
| 18:38.22 | aualin | Is it possible to convert a unit guid to a unitd? |
| 18:38.40 | Dagmar | I only _assume_ that's the game and the 7 DLCs. I can't get it to show me any details about the "8 Pack" |
| 18:38.48 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: I'm in and out, whats up |
| 18:39.19 | Kraps | thats what fisker said |
| 18:39.24 | Thunder_Child | Dagmar: no, thats 8 copies of the game |
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| 18:40.03 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: yeah todays are horrible, two of them were part of indie bundles the previous days |
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| 18:40.35 | Thunder_Child | time for steam to upgrade their storefront connection methinks |
| 18:40.37 | Arrowmaster | and one of them (splinter cell) you can find for 360 in the bargon bin for $9.99 its such a bad game |
| 18:40.56 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster: PC != 360 |
| 18:41.11 | Arrowmaster | bad game is still bad game |
| 18:47.17 | Dagmar | Oh my... I think someone might be in major trouble with the law http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/105651-Copyright-Lawyers-Sue-Lawyer-Who-Helped-Copyright-Defendants |
| 18:47.23 | Dagmar | ...and it's not the solo lawyer. |
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| 18:49.32 | Dagmar | I'm not sure it's even legal to sue someone for _helping someone fill out forms_ |
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| 18:49.48 | Humbedooh | aualin: Unit ID is part of the GUID |
| 18:50.27 | cbreak | anyone else got massive delays when looking at statistics in SC2? |
| 18:50.49 | cbreak | takes around 1 minute to look at the profile of my enemy in the most recent match |
| 18:53.01 | Humbedooh | lua> guid = "0xF13073AB00001BB4" unitid = tonumber(guid:sub(7,10), 16) print(unitid) |
| 18:53.01 | lua_bot | Humbedooh: 29611 |
| 18:54.36 | aualin | Humbedooh: Thanks ;) |
| 18:54.55 | cbreak | 233556... now if that's not a special number... |
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| 18:56.48 | aualin | Humbedooh: Oh, but that is not usable with the other unit functions, is it? |
| 18:57.04 | Kraps | http://io9.com/5700607/spanish-woman-claims-ownership-of-the-sun-says-shes-going-to-start-charging-for-use |
| 18:57.08 | Humbedooh | please elaborate on that :) |
| 18:57.47 | aualin | Humbedooh: For example for using with UnitName, or UnitClass and similar functions |
| 18:58.04 | Humbedooh | should be, but not with players though |
| 18:59.04 | Humbedooh | for players, you'll need the last 6 chars in the guid |
| 18:59.46 | aualin | Humbedooh: I thought the 7-10 characters were unique to each type of mob, that means UnitHealth would not run on it? |
| 19:00.05 | Humbedooh | 7 through 10 is the unit id |
| 19:00.13 | Humbedooh | as in mob type |
| 19:00.36 | Arrowmaster | anybody getting todays steam indie bundle? |
| 19:00.36 | aualin | How would it then know which one of the say 3 gnolls infront of me i wan't to know the hp of? |
| 19:00.43 | Humbedooh | 12 through 17 is the spawn counter |
| 19:00.57 | Arrowmaster | aualin: you cant |
| 19:01.05 | aualin | Oh :( |
| 19:02.02 | Humbedooh | http://www.wowpedia.org/UnitId |
| 19:02.55 | aualin | I see |
| 19:03.18 | aualin | This API is horrible :( |
| 19:03.48 | Arrowmaster | no you just expect things to be possible that blizzard does not want |
| 19:04.38 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: Devil's advocate for a second |
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| 19:04.49 | Shirik | how do the floating nameplates do it? |
| 19:05.32 | aualin | Arrowmaster: It's horrible overall, even without taking into consideration the slew of restrictions on everything |
| 19:05.33 | Arrowmaster | they are created by the game engine and dont use the lua api |
| 19:05.38 | Shirik | ah |
| 19:05.52 | Shirik | aualin: How long have you used this API? |
| 19:06.00 | aualin | 2-3 days |
| 19:06.08 | Shirik | And you can say with 2-3 days experience that it is horrible? |
| 19:06.18 | aualin | Of what i have seen, yea |
| 19:06.36 | aualin | I don't really expect to find something that is wonderful to use anytime soon |
| 19:06.39 | Shirik | I think you are insane |
| 19:06.49 | Shirik | In my 5 minutes of dealing with you |
| 19:07.04 | Shirik | I think this is an equally reasonable interpretation; I have about the same level of experience with you as you have the API |
| 19:07.56 | Dagmar | Please explain what makes it "horrible" |
| 19:08.04 | aualin | You have a point |
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| 19:08.47 | aualin | Dagmar: Just looking at the api, it feels like they were trying to mimic a C interface. |
| 19:09.03 | Dagmar | So how is that "horrible" |
| 19:09.18 | Shirik | Because C has objects and member functions |
| 19:09.20 | Dagmar | For that matter, how is it specifically a "C interface" |
| 19:09.49 | aualin | Instead of returning a table, they return all the things they want to return in a long list |
| 19:10.00 | Shirik | That's because returning a table would be an awful idea |
| 19:10.06 | Shirik | How much experience with Lua do you have? |
| 19:10.09 | Shirik | 2-3 days? |
| 19:10.09 | Arrowmaster | you must not have much experience with Lua then |
| 19:10.15 | aualin | Why? In difference to values, tables are returned by reference |
| 19:10.17 | Dagmar | Hell, how much experience with _programming_ do you have |
| 19:10.30 | Shirik | Because table construction is slow and creates a ton of garbage |
| 19:10.33 | Arrowmaster | what languages do you know? |
| 19:10.47 | aualin | About 3 years with Lua outside of wow |
| 19:10.55 | Shirik | You scare me then. |
| 19:10.55 | Dagmar | There's a reason some APIs return lists, and I don't think you know what it is. |
| 19:11.05 | Shirik | A statement like that shows me you really don't know Lua the right way. |
| 19:11.18 | aualin | No i don't really have any idea why things are this way... |
| 19:11.55 | aualin | Why? Why return values by value, instead of by reference? |
| 19:12.19 | Shirik | Because it's faster? |
| 19:12.25 | Shirik | And uses less memory? |
| 19:12.27 | Shirik | And gives the GC less to do? |
| 19:12.39 | aualin | No, it actually gives the GC more to do |
| 19:12.43 | Shirik | No it doesn't |
| 19:12.46 | aualin | Since it now has to clean up the copies it left |
| 19:12.50 | Shirik | Dude, I've rewritten parts of the Lua VM I think I know what I'm talking about. |
| 19:13.03 | Shirik | The GC doesn't clean up the stack |
| 19:13.13 | aualin | It does not? |
| 19:13.23 | Shirik | No sane GC does. Not Java's, not .NET's, none |
| 19:13.27 | Lulia | Lua VM? |
| 19:13.28 | Shirik | That's the whole reason you use a stack first |
| 19:13.36 | Shirik | Lulia: Lua runs in a VM |
| 19:13.43 | aualin | Then maybe this ain't so dumb |
| 19:13.54 | Lulia | What haven't you done, Shirik? :P |
| 19:13.59 | Dagmar | It's generally also up to you to dispose of the allocation properly when you get a list back |
| 19:14.00 | Shirik | Developed webpages |
| 19:14.19 | Lulia | :P But you manage some, no? ;) |
| 19:14.24 | Nobgul | hehe |
| 19:14.32 | Nobgul | That is a valid point =P |
| 19:14.34 | Shirik | fine |
| 19:14.41 | Shirik | developed software for Mac |
| 19:14.54 | Shirik | that is something I will never do |
| 19:15.05 | Shirik | though my parents might get me an ipad for christmas |
| 19:15.07 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: make me a 'Web 2.0' site |
| 19:15.08 | Shirik | then I will cry |
| 19:15.49 | Nobgul | Well if you devlop soemthing in Java and that runs on a mac, doesnt that mean you devloped a app for macs? |
| 19:15.55 | Shirik | ... |
| 19:15.58 | Shirik | that's not fair |
| 19:16.01 | Nobgul | hehe |
| 19:16.17 | Lulia | ahahahaha |
| 19:16.18 | Nobgul | There is always a loophole aparently =P. |
| 19:16.23 | Nobgul | But i am going to take a nap |
| 19:16.36 | Dagmar | That's like saying it's not gay if your balls don't touch. |
| 19:16.51 | Nobgul|Sleepies | Dagmar: Thats only with 2 men |
| 19:16.54 | Lulia | I thought it wasn't? |
| 19:17.09 | Lulia | What sort of time schedule are you on, Nobgul? |
| 19:17.11 | Lulia | Sleepies?? |
| 19:17.17 | Nobgul|Sleepies | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_P1OhKUw6I&feature=related |
| 19:17.19 | Nobgul|Sleepies | ^^ |
| 19:17.27 | Nobgul|Sleepies | Speaking of gay and balls touching. |
| 19:22.03 | Fisker | why won't you develop software for mac Shirik ? |
| 19:22.09 | Lulia | Neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeev |
| 19:23.53 | Lulia | So the Heroe's Call: Badlands quest takes me to EPL? |
| 19:24.30 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 19:24.55 | Lulia | Guess he has you on ignore, Fisker! |
| 19:25.01 | Shirik | Fisker, because macs are evil |
| 19:25.26 | Cide | hi Shirik |
| 19:25.32 | Shirik | hi Cide |
| 19:25.36 | Cide | how fare you? |
| 19:25.52 | Lulia | Hey there, Cide |
| 19:25.53 | Cide | also known as how are you |
| 19:25.54 | Maldivia | ohh, there is a indie pack now :P |
| 19:25.57 | Cide | hi Lulia |
| 19:29.26 | Arrowmaster | Maldivia: yeah its just puzzle games and doesnt look as good as the previous ones so im not sure about getting it |
| 19:29.32 | Lulia | ~seen nevcairiel |
| 19:29.39 | purl | nevcairiel <~nev@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Ace3/nevcairiel> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 7h 1m 49s ago, saying: 'but you'll figure it out'. |
| 19:29.43 | Maldivia | Arrowmaster: puzzle games are fun though :) |
| 19:30.01 | Maldivia | Arrowmaster: but... I already own 3/5 of the games, so ... :) |
| 19:30.35 | Fisker | no Lulia |
| 19:30.39 | Fisker | Shirik never has me on ignore |
| 19:30.50 | Shirik | Cide: Good good |
| 19:30.56 | Shirik | I got a free first class upgrade again |
| 19:30.59 | Shirik | I declare win |
| 19:31.11 | Maldivia | Arrowmaster: but shatter looks like a fun form of breakout |
| 19:33.37 | Maldivia | hmm... so wikileaks is under DDoS attack now, just as they were about to do their massive release |
| 19:34.22 | Dagmar | See... the gov't can do a ddos just fine when you give them a few weeks' warning to set it up |
| 19:43.39 | dardack | sigh does wowhead client no longer let me see my toon and what stuff i'm missing |
| 19:44.58 | Maldivia | missing ? |
| 19:45.03 | airtonix_ | sigh |
| 19:45.06 | dardack | like quests/prof patterns |
| 19:45.12 | airtonix_ | SIGH |
| 19:45.12 | dardack | you could see alot of stuff |
| 19:45.25 | airtonix_ | even larger SIGH |
| 19:45.26 | dardack | but i log in and my profile isn't there |
| 19:45.48 | Maldivia | airtonix: ok, I'll bite - what's wrong ? |
| 19:46.21 | airtonix_ | oh me ? |
| 19:46.22 | airtonix_ | nothing |
| 19:47.02 | Lulia | He likes sighing |
| 19:47.50 | dardack | nvm there it is |
| 19:48.21 | Maldivia | Lulia: guess because the sound is close to moaning or something ? |
| 19:48.58 | Lulia | Dunno. If I sigh, will it bring Nevcairiel back? |
| 19:48.59 | Lulia | :P |
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| 19:51.09 | Maldivia | Lulia: dunno - did you send him away with a moan ? :) |
| 19:51.47 | Lulia | No :( |
| 19:51.50 | Cide | Shirik: lucky :( |
| 19:51.56 | Cide | Shirik: can you get me first class tickets to US next year |
| 19:52.12 | Fisker | Cide |
| 19:52.13 | Fisker | i like you |
| 19:52.16 | Shirik | Not really |
| 19:52.16 | Fisker | irl |
| 19:52.17 | Cide | sweet |
| 19:52.24 | Cide | weak |
| 19:52.27 | airtonix_ | lol |
| 19:52.31 | Shirik | The last name has to match |
| 19:52.35 | Shirik | If you get your name legally changed though |
| 19:54.24 | airtonix_ | that won't go down well with the latex toting boundary guards |
| 19:54.44 | Maldivia | One word: Kilt |
| 19:54.52 | airtonix_ | lulz |
| 19:58.56 | Cairenn | NeoTron: which is your username on WoWI, neotron or dhedbor? |
| 19:59.41 | Lulia | hugs Cairenn. |
| 19:59.46 | Cairenn | hi Lulia, hug |
| 20:00.01 | Lulia | How are you today? |
| 20:00.08 | Cairenn | doing pretty well, yourself? |
| 20:00.16 | Shirik | Cairenn, Lulia was making fun of me earlier today :( |
| 20:00.27 | Cairenn | I'm sure you deserved it |
| 20:00.51 | Maldivia | (doens't he always) |
| 20:02.47 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 20:03.01 | Lulia | Still looking for a job, Cairenn. Though a place I used to work may be hiring, so I'll check it out. |
| 20:03.10 | Cairenn | good luck! :) |
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| 20:03.22 | Lulia | Hopefully I don't have to work their long-term though, they don't hire full time and only pay min. wage, but it's better than nothing. |
| 20:04.06 | Lulia | I'm sort of curious as to why Thassarian has less hp than Kolitara in WPL |
| 20:04.26 | Lulia | Koltira* |
| 20:05.42 | Maldivia | HP isn't everything... |
| 20:05.58 | Lulia | O.o |
| 20:06.04 | Lulia | He's also a boss NPC |
| 20:06.07 | Lulia | Whereas Thassarian isnt |
| 20:06.21 | Lulia | Boss level that is |
| 20:07.29 | Maldivia | is he the one where thassarian comes to help you kill him? |
| 20:07.40 | Lulia | I dunno, it's new WPL content |
| 20:08.08 | Maldivia | been a while since I did them on beta |
| 20:08.36 | Maldivia | I just remember it was bugged, and the npc did nothing, so you had to solo the old scholo bosses on your own :) |
| 20:09.02 | Lulia | It just seems weird to me that there's such a blatant disparity, it must have some purpose, but I dunno what it is. |
| 20:09.50 | Lulia | I'll have to do the quests and see if I can find out ;) |
| 20:10.36 | Maldivia | well, kolitara is a blood elf, so already there he's at a disadvantage |
| 20:11.11 | Lulia | Not when he has 2x the health and Boss level status :P |
| 20:11.28 | Maldivia | baah, stamina-stacker... tsk tsk |
| 20:11.38 | Maldivia | :) |
| 20:11.44 | Adys | theres an archeology daily? |
| 20:12.03 | Lulia | Tirion Fordring has 85 mil now |
| 20:12.06 | Lulia | >.> |
| 20:12.25 | Maldivia | Adys: didn't see one on the beta, but could have been added in the last few weeks I guess |
| 20:12.34 | Adys | apparently its avail on live |
| 20:12.40 | Lulia | Oh, has anyone else done Stratholme? |
| 20:12.43 | Lulia | The map seems off in there |
| 20:13.03 | Maldivia | a lot of the old instances were shortened |
| 20:13.14 | Maldivia | Adys: ohh, from jones in SW? |
| 20:13.19 | Adys | shrug |
| 20:13.35 | Lulia | Oh, I know, Maldivia, but the instance maps are new |
| 20:13.46 | Lulia | Old World dungeons didnt have them until 4.0.3 |
| 20:13.52 | Maldivia | true |
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| 20:15.17 | Maldivia | Adys: apparently there are archeology daily dungeon quests?! |
| 20:15.24 | Adys | shrug :) |
| 20:15.36 | Maldivia | Adys: http://www.wowhead.com/quests=5.-377 |
| 20:17.19 | Lulia | Hmm, so Northrend and Outlands are a bit of a time anomaly now with the Old World changes |
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| 20:17.34 | Tuller | yep |
| 20:18.01 | Lulia | Oh well. :P |
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| 20:23.24 | Maldivia | Lulia: it's just a jump to the left |
| 20:23.34 | Cairenn | pokes NeoTron |
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| 20:39.17 | Lulia | Cairenn, when is dolby usually active? |
| 20:39.27 | Cairenn | various times |
| 20:39.32 | Cairenn | what's up? |
| 20:39.45 | Xeross | I'm attempting to make a macro that uses both mod and spec yet it always uses Soul Fire: http://codepad.org/LNsDjaFw |
| 20:40.01 | Lulia | I thought that the extra SVNs I made were deleted, but they aren't :P |
| 20:40.09 | jnwhiteh | we have to manually do it |
| 20:40.10 | Cairenn | ah |
| 20:40.41 | Lulia | So I need to ask dolby if he can. |
| 20:40.44 | Xeross | Is that combination just not possible ? |
| 20:40.46 | Cairenn | nod |
| 20:40.55 | Cairenn | (to Lulia) |
| 20:41.05 | Maldivia | Xeross: you need to do [spec:1,mod:shift] |
| 20:41.11 | jnwhiteh | Lulia: just PM him |
| 20:41.12 | Xeross | Maldivia: Ah thanks |
| 20:41.13 | jnwhiteh | problem solved :P |
| 20:41.14 | Lulia | I also have a small feature request. To which he'll probably say no, but it doesn't hurt to ask, right? |
| 20:41.23 | Maldivia | Xeross: [spec:1][mod:shift] <-- means spec-1 OR mod-shift |
| 20:41.26 | Cairenn | feature request, please put in site forum |
| 20:41.26 | Lulia | Hmm, why do you make sense, jnwhiteh? |
| 20:41.27 | Lulia | :P |
| 20:41.43 | jnwhiteh | a bad habit I have called 'thinking' |
| 20:41.44 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 20:41.45 | Xeross | Maldivia: Ah ok, makes sense |
| 20:42.09 | Lulia | Good thing it's apparently not contagious! |
| 20:42.21 | Maldivia | Xeross: you can do it in one line as well, if you want: /cast [nomod:shift] Shadow Bolt; [spec:1] Soul Fire; [spec:2] Chaos Bolt |
| 20:42.40 | Xeross | Hmk |
| 20:42.52 | Xeross | Hmm I need to reorganize a bit I need both Soul Fire and Chaos Bolt in spec 2 |
| 20:43.39 | mikma | jnwhiteh: lol brains |
| 20:43.53 | Maldivia | zeross, something like: /cast [nomod:shift] Shadow Bolt; [spec:1][mod:ctrl] Soul Fire; [spec:2] Chaos Bolt |
| 20:44.05 | Maldivia | xeross* |
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| 20:44.49 | Maldivia | although, in that case you might want to change the first to simply [nomod] :) |
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| 20:48.22 | Xeross | Maldivia: I just need to sort this macro hell out someday |
| 20:48.33 | Maldivia | hehe |
| 20:48.58 | Maldivia | I personally hate modifier macros for abilities :) |
| 20:49.50 | Maldivia | think the only modifier macro I have is for mounting |
| 20:50.22 | Maldivia | (which btw is really annoying at the moment, with SW being flagged flyable, even if you can't fly there yet) |
| 20:50.49 | Xeross | You just set up seperate keys for shift+key ? |
| 20:50.54 | Xeross | different actionbar buttons I mean |
| 20:50.58 | nevcairiel | I just use my headless horsemen mount |
| 20:51.03 | nevcairiel | it decides itself if i can fly or not |
| 20:52.01 | airtonix_ | you are awesome |
| 20:52.02 | Lulia | Nev! |
| 20:52.04 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: flying carpet on my mage, but it's my druid that's the most annoying, but HH mount is probably a good solution for him for the next 9 days |
| 20:52.14 | Maldivia | Xeross: yeah |
| 20:52.36 | Xeross | Maldivia: Might do that sometime, this way it's less screen clutter |
| 20:53.05 | Xeross | HMm is there some kind of addon to assist me with rotations, or at least some guides, that can also be used when you've not reached lvl cap yet |
| 20:53.21 | Maldivia | what class? |
| 20:53.22 | airtonix_ | wowglider |
| 20:53.25 | Maldivia | ohh warlock :) |
| 20:53.51 | Lulia | pokes nevcairiel. |
| 20:54.01 | nevcairiel | what |
| 20:54.15 | Maldivia | does it really matter at low levels? well, I guess for instances when mobs actually live longer than 10 sec, but then again :) |
| 20:54.24 | Lulia | I opened up a separate chat window! |
| 20:54.37 | nevcairiel | why would you do that |
| 20:54.38 | airtonix_ | congratulations! |
| 20:54.42 | Xeross | Warlock yeah |
| 20:54.49 | Xeross | lvl 78 so almost 80 |
| 20:55.01 | Lulia | Dunno, to keep from spamming the main chat? But I suppose I could say it in here too... |
| 20:55.03 | Maldivia | well, you'll be ready for cataclysm zones then :) |
| 20:56.05 | Maldivia | waits for Lulia to profess something... :P |
| 20:56.45 | Xeross | Especially with the Cataclysm I'm a bit confused as to how everyting works, that combined with not having played wow in a few years |
| 20:56.52 | Xeross | Well at least not in a while |
| 20:57.29 | Maldivia | Xeross: well, there are generally two ways to figure stuff out... try for your self, or look it up online :) |
| 20:57.49 | Lulia | I'm a self-conscious person, Maldiv! |
| 20:58.05 | Xeross | Maldivia: Tried searching, but most that I find is pre-cataclysm, guess I'll keep looking |
| 20:58.11 | Maldivia | Xeross: the elitist jerks forums have usually been quite good for in depths class/spec information |
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| 21:01.15 | Lulia | I'm pretty sure the Dwarf just called my female character a lad. |
| 21:02.10 | Maldivia | Xeross: for affl warlock its basically, haunt on CD, keep dots up, SB or drain life in between, last 25%: drain life |
| 21:03.58 | Xeross | Maldivia: I'm currently destro and demonology but seems I was just messing up with affliction, I thought the entire build wasn't working anymore after the update |
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| 21:04.55 | Maldivia | Xeross: last I checked, aff was theoretically the highest dps spec for 85 |
| 21:05.12 | Xeross | o.O |
| 21:05.24 | Xeross | Then why did I spec Destro/Demonology :/ |
| 21:05.28 | Xeross | Guess it's time for another respec |
| 21:05.35 | Maldivia | destro is highest for 80 |
| 21:06.13 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYOlgyZr4x4&feature=player_embedded |
| 21:06.36 | Xeross | If Affil is highest DPS and one of the best for levelling I don't even need dual spec do I |
| 21:07.07 | Maldivia | affl is really nice for levelling, especially with glyphed soul swap |
| 21:07.13 | Maldivia | makes chain pulling really easy |
| 21:07.40 | Xeross | I used it pre 4.0, I could chain forever, once chained 20 mobs in the outlands while levelling |
| 21:07.49 | Maldivia | yeah |
| 21:07.51 | Xeross | I think where I messed up post4.0 is that I forgot about haunt |
| 21:08.32 | Xeross | And siphon life isn't a DoT anymore as before |
| 21:09.05 | Maldivia | siphon life really doens't do much anymore - but all self-heals were nerfed |
| 21:09.50 | Xeross | Hmm so its still viable just not as much as before |
| 21:10.01 | Humbedooh | nev, stop mothballing my stuff!! :( |
| 21:10.13 | Maldivia | Xeross: haunt usually more than enough to heal you |
| 21:10.46 | Xeross | Yeah figured |
| 21:10.58 | Maldivia | Xeross: well, in cataclysm zones, you really dont want more than 3 mobs on you at the same time, otherwise you might not survive :) |
| 21:11.03 | Humbedooh | slaps nevcairiel around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:11.07 | Xeross | Maldivia: was talking in general |
| 21:11.31 | Maldivia | yeah, was just referencing your chaining 20 mobs in outland :) |
| 21:11.52 | Xeross | It was one long line of mobs, couldn't resist |
| 21:11.54 | nevcairiel | I would bump it back to experimental, because thats what it is, but you would submit it for approval again, and eventually someone would approve it |
| 21:11.58 | nevcairiel | so i'm sitting on it :P |
| 21:12.53 | Maldivia | Xeross: well, I would basically soul swap on CD, so copying my dots every 10 secs :) |
| 21:14.37 | nevcairiel | whats with gilneas reputation not going above 5999/6000 in friendly from questing? |
| 21:14.46 | nevcairiel | spill over used to work up to exalted =( |
| 21:16.04 | Maldivia | noticed the same with factioning for other alliance faction on dungeons :/ |
| 21:16.23 | Maldivia | spill over stopped at honored as well :/ |
| 21:16.50 | Humbedooh | nevcairiel: I would like a description of what the difference betwen experimental and non-experimental is then |
| 21:18.05 | ccox | Disenchanter's mailbox: There are 237 more messages not currently shown... |
| 21:18.18 | Maldivia | lol |
| 21:18.58 | Maldivia | ccox: at least they just don't go puuf :) |
| 21:19.17 | ccox | they do if I don't pay attention for 30 days :-( |
| 21:19.25 | Fisker | http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/ravencrest/treefisker/ <-go me |
| 21:20.01 | Humbedooh | nevcairiel: and also, if you're not going to approve it atm, move it back to experimental then - otherwise, it's just invisible to everyone |
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| 21:23.20 | zenzelezz | so I run past Orgrimmar's entrance... [...] says:seen that fattie on blizzcon dancing it [...] says:i fapped too that |
| 21:23.37 | Fisker | fapped too that? |
| 21:24.14 | foxlit | failed the character audit, fisker? |
| 21:24.50 | Fisker | i'm a terrible person |
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| 21:28.12 | airtonix_ | awww |
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| 21:30.21 | olafski | what would a HWguy be doing at blizzcon though? |
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| 21:34.42 | Fisker | maybe heavy weapons guy were hired for an assassination |
| 21:35.26 | Dagmar | olafski: Drinking heavily |
| 21:37.01 | airtonix | Fisker, would you trust such delicate matters to a person that calls their gun "martha" |
| 21:37.42 | airtonix | would you trust anyone ? |
| 21:38.24 | Maldivia | airtonix: I'd take a bertha over a martha any day |
| 21:38.41 | airtonix | yeah well you do like large hips |
| 21:38.55 | airtonix | im not into asphyxiation myself |
| 21:38.58 | rosco762 | 6k gs is the maxt atm right? |
| 21:40.26 | Nobgul|Sleepies | hes back =( |
| 21:40.41 | rosco762 | I've ben here all morning. |
| 21:40.56 | rosco762 | I've just ben stdying language |
| 21:40.57 | Maldivia | airtonix: although, I do prefer a M/95 :) |
| 21:42.06 | ckknight | Fisker: give me advice for playing a warrior |
| 21:42.58 | jnwhiteh | ckknight: go prot, collect loot. |
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| 21:43.10 | Humbedooh | prot is awesome for leveling |
| 21:43.41 | jnwhiteh | charge + rend + blood/thunder == win |
| 21:44.07 | Lulia | Yup |
| 21:45.19 | jnwhiteh | then toss a few cleaves in, keep taunt up for idiot dps |
| 21:45.42 | airtonix | ckknight, thats the best you'll get until i let fisker out of the cage |
| 21:45.59 | Lulia | I usually out dps everyone with just Cleave and Blood/Thunder Thunderclap as a Prot Warrior |
| 21:46.09 | Nobgul|Sleepies | rosco762: To answer your question no. I have seen people with higher gearscores. I think well over 7000 is the higest. but i do not know the exact number. You could prob figure it out with a calculator though. |
| 21:46.10 | Lulia | In lowbie content anyways |
| 21:46.21 | jnwhiteh | i've never been out dpsed |
| 21:46.23 | jnwhiteh | and i'm level 45 |
| 21:46.24 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 21:46.35 | ckknight | jnwhiteh: yeah, that's my idea. |
| 21:46.41 | jnwhiteh | its super sweet |
| 21:46.44 | ckknight | jnwhiteh: gonna make a goblin warrior, just go prot the whole way |
| 21:46.49 | Kraps | humans still cant be druids http://media.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2010/november/season9_female_m.jpg |
| 21:46.52 | Lulia | Yeah, even single target I usually dont get out dpsed either |
| 21:46.54 | jnwhiteh | you'll enjoy it imo |
| 21:47.06 | Lulia | Prot is very fun and instant dungeon queues |
| 21:47.14 | jnwhiteh | yep |
| 21:47.16 | Lulia | No reason not to do it while leveling unless you hate tanking |
| 21:47.17 | jnwhiteh | loving it |
| 21:47.29 | Nobgul|Sleepies | I do not enjoy prot on my warrior at end game. Before WOTLK is did but now meeeh. |
| 21:47.29 | ckknight | jnwhiteh: I played a goblin warrior to 20 on the beta, and I've played a prot warrior to 30 before (but then we stopped playing WoW) |
| 21:47.36 | ckknight | so I think I should enjoy it. I'm used to playing a pally. |
| 21:47.44 | Lulia | When you get Warbringer oh man |
| 21:47.50 | Lulia | That's what makes Prot fun for me |
| 21:48.03 | Lulia | I pull a group, get some threat, charge into the next group, repeat |
| 21:48.05 | Nobgul|Sleepies | Charging around like a spastic making the melee dps mad at you? |
| 21:48.10 | Lulia | yes |
| 21:48.13 | Nobgul|Sleepies | Hehe |
| 21:48.30 | Nobgul | They can never get behind the mobs =P |
| 21:48.39 | Lulia | On occasion the healer is slow though and I have to pull back |
| 21:48.47 | Xyphoid | yeah i was dumb and switched to arms for levelling assuming it would be faster than prot |
| 21:48.50 | Xyphoid | changed back pretty quick |
| 21:48.53 | Lulia | But victory rush is nice when it procs, and my warrior is a Draenei so I have the racial |
| 21:48.54 | zenzelezz | well that's new... Savory Deviate Delight recipe from a quillboar |
| 21:49.24 | airtonix | pristine |
| 21:49.28 | Maldivia | zenzelezz: apparently quill boars likes fine cuisine as well |
| 21:50.34 | Lulia | Leveling my Warrior to become my main tank char at max level. Blood tanking is fine, but I prefer to DW on my DK so my DK's main spec is changing to Frost. |
| 21:51.18 | Nobgul | Lulia, I dw frost tank icc 12/12 and 10/12 heroic. Tell your healers to suck it up and deal with it =P |
| 21:51.36 | Lulia | You shouldn't be able to since 4.0.1 |
| 21:51.38 | Lulia | O.o |
| 21:51.41 | Nobgul | Food is here illBe back. |
| 21:51.56 | Nobgul | And sure you can you just get hit a bit harder. |
| 21:52.06 | Lulia | How do you get crit immune? O.o |
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| 21:59.10 | cbreak | Lulia: stand out of melee range? :/ |
| 21:59.43 | Lulia | lol |
| 21:59.55 | Lulia | Then how would you get threat? |
| 21:59.56 | Lulia | :P |
| 22:00.22 | Nobgul | Back for a sec, I did say you get hit harder =P |
| 22:00.36 | cbreak | Lulia, I get threat all the time |
| 22:00.43 | cbreak | arcane blast usually |
| 22:00.46 | Nobgul | lol |
| 22:00.57 | Lulia | Crits are a big deal |
| 22:01.11 | Lulia | As in, you can get killed faster than you could possibly be healed if a boss crits on you |
| 22:01.13 | cbreak | yes... if you crit for 50k like me :) |
| 22:01.20 | cbreak | (my best is something like 85k) |
| 22:01.41 | cbreak | there are lots of crit reducing talents that real tanks can get |
| 22:01.50 | Maldivia | cbreak: 85k before or after 4.0.3a ? |
| 22:01.52 | Lulia | I wonder whether orn ot I should take Impending Victory |
| 22:02.06 | cbreak | Maldivia: about a week ago |
| 22:02.08 | Lulia | cbreak: Clearly you weren't following the conversation :P |
| 22:02.13 | cbreak | in ICC though, so lots of buffs |
| 22:02.17 | Maldivia | cbreak: so before? |
| 22:02.22 | cbreak | yeah |
| 22:02.45 | Maldivia | yeah, my mage was critting for around 65-70k in RHs |
| 22:02.51 | Maldivia | before patch |
| 22:03.00 | Xyphoid | man i want to see this frost tanking spec |
| 22:03.31 | cbreak | probably better than blood or unholy :/ |
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| 22:04.53 | Xyphoid | you don't even get scarlet fever |
| 22:05.05 | Lulia | You miss a lot of tanking tools by doing it |
| 22:05.14 | Lulia | Blizzard doesn't want DKs as anything but Blood for tanking anymore |
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| 22:05.33 | Adys | What are the best socket colors and types for caster now? |
| 22:05.53 | Maldivia | red, int ? |
| 22:05.54 | Adys | int, int+crit yeah? |
| 22:06.34 | Maldivia | for most casters, crit is actully near the bottom of wanted stats |
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| 22:10.41 | NeoTron | Cairenn: sup? |
| 22:10.52 | Cairenn | NeoTron: which is your username on WoWI, neotron or dhedbor? |
| 22:11.35 | NeoTron | neotron I believe |
| 22:11.43 | NeoTron | yep |
| 22:12.22 | Cairenn | you're already marked as author on the file? *confused* |
| 22:13.10 | NeoTron | BuffEnough? someone else did it yesterday |
| 22:13.20 | NeoTron | Dolby |
| 22:13.26 | Cairenn | ah, okay |
| 22:14.52 | Lulia | Man, good music makes everything better |
| 22:15.10 | Lulia | When are you raiding tonight, Nobgul? |
| 22:15.38 | Nobgul | 7:oo est |
| 22:15.54 | Nobgul | Little less then 2 hours |
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| 22:19.02 | Lulia | If you get in a situation that's non-critical btw, don't forget that you can copy and paste now |
| 22:20.33 | Lulia | Gag Order, Hold the Line or Impending Victory? Hmm |
| 22:20.44 | Nobgul | Ok will do. Ill have the video feed up anyway. We are doing lk. |
| 22:21.08 | Lulia | I'm just not sure how much I'll be able to tell from the video feed :P |
| 22:21.31 | Nobgul | Ok np |
| 22:21.50 | Lulia | Hopefully it will help though. |
| 22:22.08 | Lulia | But, for the most part, the problem is sort of isolated. I just need to figure out the cause and I haven't yet. |
| 22:22.12 | Kraps | Lulia: gag order is good for caster pulls |
| 22:22.27 | Lulia | Yeah, that's what I'm thinking, Kraps |
| 22:22.41 | Lulia | Because sometimes Shield Bash doesn't always silence them long enough |
| 22:23.08 | Lulia | And Impending Victory would only be useful on mobs that last longer than 2 seconds, in which case I usually don't need the self healing |
| 22:23.17 | Lulia | And my parry isn't high yet, which lessens Hold the Line |
| 22:24.59 | Kraps | i'm not sure if hold the line would be good on same level content |
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| 22:25.17 | Lulia | Right |
| 22:25.27 | Lulia | Hence why I was reluctant to take it |
| 22:25.35 | Lulia | I've got... 6% parry right now |
| 22:25.36 | Lulia | >.> |
| 22:25.59 | Kraps | http://cdn1.knowyourmeme.com/i/000/067/065/original/008-inception.gif?1282521206 |
| 22:26.35 | Lulia | What's Inception? |
| 22:27.32 | Kraps | a movie |
| 22:27.43 | Kraps | that you must watch |
| 22:27.48 | Kraps | or die |
| 22:28.00 | Lulia | Soon as I get a job |
| 22:28.05 | aualin | For some reason when i call GetCursorInfo and assign it's return to a variable the game slows down to a crawl |
| 22:28.26 | Lulia | Are you doing it in a loop? |
| 22:28.32 | Thunder_Child | inception wasnt that good |
| 22:28.39 | aualin | Noop, just running "/script type = GetCursorInfo()" |
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| 22:28.59 | Corrodias | it's some movie aboue some guy who isn't sure whether he's asleep or not |
| 22:29.11 | Thunder_Child | nutshell ftw |
| 22:29.52 | aualin | This is without actually holding anything |
| 22:30.46 | Lulia | I dont think you're supposed to be able to assign like that |
| 22:31.06 | Kraps | Corrodias: no |
| 22:31.08 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: no |
| 22:31.16 | Lulia | Using: /script local type = GetCursorInfo() works just fine |
| 22:31.20 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: stop failing |
| 22:31.33 | Kraps | you first |
| 22:32.24 | aualin | Lulia: Oh, that works fine... I guess im just to used to splitting up my /script runs |
| 22:33.27 | Lulia | I dont know a ton about macros, but I'm assuming you were doing a global call and it didn't like that. |
| 22:34.32 | aualin | Lulia: It was not intended for a macro, just testing out the function. Not that it really matters... |
| 22:35.11 | Lulia | Ah, in that case, you most definitely want to keep things local or limited to your global addon table when possible |
| 22:35.56 | aualin | Lulia: I don't think you can access a local you declared using /script last line? |
| 22:36.09 | Lulia | Well no, but you said it wasn't for /script :P |
| 22:36.35 | aualin | Lulia: It wasn't, but i was kinda testing the function with it |
| 22:36.44 | Teomyr | type is a builtin function |
| 22:36.50 | Teomyr | looks like you're overwriting it :P |
| 22:36.53 | Lulia | ah ha :P |
| 22:36.57 | aualin | Oh, whoops >.> |
| 22:37.00 | Lulia | That explains things |
| 22:37.27 | Lulia | I actually should have known that, Emerald Editor did highlight type |
| 22:37.27 | Lulia | oh well |
| 22:37.43 | Lulia | I didn't actually type it into Emerald Editor when you asked though |
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| 22:39.35 | bleeter | so after the weekends adventures, I wonder which person @ Blizz decided that Flame Leviathan needed higher than available mining to now mine it |
| 22:40.04 | Lulia | They probably just set it to max mining level when they created it |
| 22:40.07 | Xyphoid | what's it need? |
| 22:40.08 | Lulia | And forgot to fix it |
| 22:40.09 | Maldivia | bleeter: go get enchants :) |
| 22:40.11 | bleeter | personally I woulda thought the skill required should've gone down 'coz the boss has been beaten... lots.... not go up by ~30 points |
| 22:40.20 | bleeter | Maldivia: impossible even with all enchants for a gnome |
| 22:40.37 | bleeter | Xyphoid: something mad like 490 or 500 |
| 22:40.58 | bleeter | Lulia: not max mining, but a suitable level for ~84 mob |
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| 22:41.22 | Lulia | Well, I suppose it has to do with some variable they use to determine it |
| 22:41.25 | zenzelezz | hm, wildlife in general seems to be acting a lot more natural now... pretty awesome |
| 22:41.27 | Lulia | Rather than giving FL a set value |
| 22:42.02 | Shirik | florida? |
| 22:43.00 | Lulia | Really liking the quest flow in EPL |
| 22:43.53 | bleeter | zenzelezz: you mean like big animals picking on the little ones in the wild? there was a bit of that in wrath. i like it :) |
| 22:44.58 | alestane | That's been in since vanilla. |
| 22:45.13 | alestane | I used to see coyotes killing rabbits in Westfall. |
| 22:45.19 | rosco762 | Ah, my head hurts fomr all of this coding! |
| 22:45.34 | zenzelezz | bleeter: yes, but now in the old world (beyond the silly old "wolf chewing rabbit") |
| 22:45.52 | zenzelezz | lioness springing and numbing a prey, birds flying, and so on |
| 22:46.15 | zenzelezz | in theory it's irrelevant to the gameplay, but it makes it all feel more immersive (to me) |
| 22:46.33 | bleeter | precisely |
| 22:47.53 | rosco762 | Well, back to work. |
| 22:48.05 | alestane | Yes, the fact that bird mobs are no frequently above ground level is nice. |
| 22:48.21 | Shirik | hi bleeter |
| 22:49.16 | bleeter | Shirik: HAI |
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| 22:54.02 | Cide | re: flame leviathan |
| 22:54.25 | Cide | they probably have something like skillLevel = 5*min(mobLevel, maxPlayerLevel) |
| 22:54.57 | Lulia | Yeah, those were my thoughts, but I'm not Cide's level of cool |
| 22:55.33 | airtonix | lol |
| 22:57.54 | airtonix | i thought the wolves near goldshire always ate the rabbits |
| 22:58.20 | Cide | the question is whether or not they do it when nobody is there to see it |
| 22:58.38 | airtonix | yeah |
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| 22:58.42 | airtonix | its not gamebyro |
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| 23:13.34 | rosco762 | Anyone here know C language? |
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| 23:16.47 | foxlit | gr :/ |
| 23:17.06 | foxlit | ("...;...").matches(";") == false :/ |
| 23:18.11 | Cide | that was totally not clear what you meant |
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| 23:18.25 | Cide | were the ... literal? |
| 23:18.32 | Cide | and did you mean :match by .match |
| 23:18.38 | Cide | .matches |
| 23:19.12 | foxlit | No, that's literal Java. |
| 23:20.16 | Cide | that was totally clear also |
| 23:24.21 | alestane | I think several people in here know C, rosco762, you'll probably have better luck with your actual question if you have one. |
| 23:24.49 | Seerah | ~asktoask |
| 23:24.50 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 23:25.31 | Sintacks | Which is better. X-Perl or Shadowed UF |
| 23:25.38 | Shadowed | Shadowed UF sucks |
| 23:25.59 | Sintacks | I heard the author of it fails at life |
| 23:27.47 | Sintacks | I'm back and forth. I like suf's look but there are a few things I miss from X-Perl :| aura indicators for some debuffs. And Setting up the text is kind of confusing |
| 23:28.16 | foxlit | Turns out java patterns anchor at both ends. |
| 23:28.20 | Seerah | Sintacks: this? http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info13758.html |
| 23:28.52 | Sintacks | I guess I could try that. |
| 23:28.55 | Sintacks | idk why i haven't yet |
| 23:30.09 | Sintacks | ShadowedUF (Resurrect) is either broken, or imdoinitrong (though it worked pre-4.0.3 |
| 23:30.42 | Seerah | that's because you're not supposed to be using that one ;) |
| 23:30.48 | Sintacks | wat |
| 23:31.27 | Seerah | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info13494-ShadowedUnitFrames.html or http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/shadowed-unit-frames.aspx |
| 23:31.56 | Sintacks | is res built in now? o.O |
| 23:32.01 | Seerah | oh, sorry >< |
| 23:32.08 | Seerah | thought that was the fan update of it before it switched authors |
| 23:32.16 | Sintacks | O.o |
| 23:32.56 | Seerah | you can ignore me now, I don't use SUF :) |
| 23:33.06 | Sintacks | lol |
| 23:33.20 | Sintacks | I'm debating weather to stay with it or go back to X-perl |
| 23:33.35 | Seerah | I use Stuf, personally |
| 23:33.55 | Sintacks | I haven't tried those |
| 23:34.03 | Sintacks | Pitbull was just... no for me |
| 23:34.24 | Sintacks | have a screen shot of your UF setup, Seerah? |
| 23:34.37 | Seerah | heh - which one would you like? :p |
| 23:34.44 | Seerah | I'm an addon-aholic |
| 23:34.50 | Sintacks | me too |
| 23:34.51 | Seerah | and am UI obsessive |
| 23:34.54 | Sintacks | me too |
| 23:34.57 | Jamash | I have one billion addons |
| 23:35.01 | Sintacks | one of party and one of raid |
| 23:35.06 | Sintacks | that's a lie, Jamash |
| 23:35.11 | Seerah | one BIIILLLEEEONN!!! |
| 23:35.15 | Jamash | one of my best (puffs cigar) |
| 23:35.41 | Sintacks | I have 197 addons just from Curse (as reported by Curse Client) |
| 23:35.53 | Seerah | Sintacks: you can find my screenshots in this thread: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=105 |
| 23:35.53 | Sintacks | and at least 30 or 40 that are only on WowI |
| 23:35.54 | Jamash | okay that's a lot |
| 23:36.02 | Seerah | (search for posts by me in the thread, if you like) |
| 23:36.19 | Jamash | I only have 41 from curse |
| 23:36.22 | Seerah | or look at screenshots for my addons |
| 23:38.50 | Sintacks | Awwwwwww |
| 23:39.01 | Sintacks | That AddOn annoys my girlfriend >.> |
| 23:42.50 | Sintacks | hmm |
| 23:42.55 | Sintacks | i don't even have res installed... wtf |
| 23:43.02 | Sintacks | that might be why that tag was throwing an error |
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