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| 00:15.23 | Adys | Cide: burn notice |
| 00:15.42 | Adys | i don't randomly paste quotes from psych in here unless its a new ep |
| 00:18.23 | Kraps | should i get aoe 3? |
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| 00:19.32 | Cide | it's pretty good but pretty old now |
| 00:19.42 | Cide | I don't know how active the online community is |
| 00:21.04 | Kraps | i wouldnt get it for the online |
| 00:21.13 | Kraps | and i have played it |
| 00:27.29 | batrick | Shirik: not sure |
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| 00:27.47 | Jerub | how much is the cata upgrade in USD? |
| 00:27.56 | batrick | I believe it is |
| 00:28.00 | Wobin | the same as AUD? =P |
| 00:28.24 | Jerub | Wobin: tricky dicky is selling it for $38, free delivery. |
| 00:28.41 | Jerub | Wobin: i've bought the digital upgrade for myself, but i can't remember how much it was, wondering if i should get it from there for the wife |
| 00:28.51 | tekkub | $40 |
| 00:28.56 | Shirik | why is blender only 13MB? |
| 00:29.00 | Shirik | Isn't Maya like gigabytes? |
| 00:29.47 | Aurorus | Maya comes with samples, documentation and a shitload of extra tools |
| 00:30.14 | Aurorus | Think of Blender as a WWI-era plane, held together with glue, wire and cotton. |
| 00:30.29 | Aurorus | It can produce some nice stuff, but you need some really good plugins to do it |
| 00:30.36 | Aurorus | Maya throws the kitchen sink at you |
| 00:30.44 | Aurorus | same with Lightwave |
| 00:30.58 | Aurorus | Cinema 4D if you aren't doing a lot of character animation |
| 00:31.35 | Kraps | grats on mod Nobgul-Raiding |
| 00:31.56 | Shirik | just curious; I never do anything like this |
| 00:34.15 | Aurorus | It's good fun mate - Blender will be a good start though |
| 00:34.19 | Aurorus | free and decent documentation |
| 00:37.28 | Kraps | http://io9.com/5694839/fox-moves-fringe-to-the-friday-night-death-slot |
| 00:38.20 | Shirik | I like how when Blender starts up, a console window pops up saying "Continuing happily." |
| 00:47.45 | MoonWitch | think my neighbors would get confused if I started howling at a full moon ? |
| 00:48.03 | A-KO | yes |
| 00:48.08 | A-KO | I certainly would be |
| 00:48.09 | MoonWitch | (am watching my childhood love - the addams family) |
| 00:48.51 | MoonWitch | omg i've never seen this movie .... |
| 00:49.02 | MoonWitch | going to full screen :D |
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| 00:59.54 | DJJeff | bartender4 isnt switching when I sit down at the bounty tables |
| 01:08.50 | Shirik | hahahaha |
| 01:08.52 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Water_on_mars.jpg |
| 01:09.45 | Cide | ^ ultimate proof that wikipedia distorts one's humor |
| 01:09.53 | Wobin | Date |
| 01:09.53 | Wobin | 1 April 2004 (original upload date) |
| 01:09.57 | kd3 | hell, nasa made that their photo of the day |
| 01:10.04 | kd3 | on april fools |
| 01:10.28 | Shirik | really? |
| 01:11.03 | kd3 | er, not that one. nasa's got a different version |
| 01:11.32 | Cide | they changed the banner design on the personal appeal from wikipedia founder jimmy wales? |
| 01:11.38 | kd3 | http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap050401.html |
| 01:11.41 | kd3 | Shirik, ^ |
| 01:11.52 | Shirik | nice |
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| 01:14.46 | Wobin | Cide: no? |
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| 01:16.51 | Cide | it's black-ish for me now |
| 01:16.55 | Cide | it wasn't previously |
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| 01:31.02 | Shirik | Cide, what should I eat |
| 01:33.31 | Jerub | Shirik: fisker. |
| 01:33.59 | Cide | hm |
| 01:34.13 | Cide | pancakes with raspberry jam and whipped cream |
| 01:39.22 | Jerub | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/135431/elemental-invasion-survival-kit |
| 01:39.54 | Jerub | i totally need to start a rumor on my realm that you need the onxyia scale cloak to survive the next stage of the invasion, and then sell the scales on the AH for 500g each |
| 01:40.53 | Shirik | is it possible for a US player to be a realid friend of a UK player |
| 01:40.54 | Shirik | ? |
| 01:41.20 | Jerub | Shirik: i dunno. are you saying you have a russian bride you want to play wow with? |
| 01:41.30 | Shirik | yes |
| 01:41.54 | ccox | why does that not surprise me? |
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| 01:47.11 | ccox | though it would be nice to keep up with some of my european hac, um, security consultants while they play. |
| 02:03.47 | sylvanaar | it worked on ptr but obviously thats different |
| 02:04.08 | ccox | try it, worst it can do is fail |
| 02:05.25 | sylvanaar | i was fiskers friend on the ptr |
| 02:06.13 | Shirik | ccox: Nobody to try it with :) |
| 02:06.27 | ccox | then why did you ask? |
| 02:06.37 | sylvanaar | thats the problemn i have testing int for my addon |
| 02:06.58 | sylvanaar | i have 2 accounts so i can to the 2 player stuff - but not the conversations |
| 02:07.00 | ccox | or has she not given you her email address yet? |
| 02:07.23 | Shirik | ccox: A friend asked |
| 02:07.31 | Shirik | so a friend of a friend is a UK |
| 02:09.09 | ccox | ok, someone here "friend" shirik so he can test it! |
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| 02:33.43 | Cide | I REFUSE |
| 02:34.36 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: a friend of a friend is a country? |
| 02:37.42 | Arrowmaster | either my connection is being shit right now or i think im being throttled |
| 02:39.44 | Arrowmaster | yeah its one of them |
| 02:39.50 | Arrowmaster | http://www.speedtest.net/result/1040032451.png |
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| 02:41.47 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster: what are you supposed to have? |
| 02:42.00 | Arrowmaster | 7mbit |
| 02:42.25 | Arrowmaster | which is still fucking shit |
| 02:42.52 | Cide | did I mention I'm getting from 10 to 100 in a week? |
| 02:42.53 | Yssaril | how do i tile a texture via lua? SetVertTile and SetHorizTile result in this: http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/1570/tiled.jpg |
| 02:42.59 | Cide | granted, it costs me $1 more a month |
| 02:43.00 | Arrowmaster | diaf |
| 02:43.21 | Cide | so not sure I'll take the upgrade |
| 02:44.07 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster: i'm thinking shit unless your ping is usually 60 |
| 02:44.45 | Arrowmaster | ping is usually lower than that |
| 02:44.55 | Yssaril | try a different server? |
| 02:46.47 | Arrowmaster | the worst part is my isp has the powerboost shit where the first so many megabytes of a connection will be uncapped |
| 02:47.02 | Arrowmaster | ive got downloads running at 30KB/s right now |
| 02:47.32 | Shirik | yes Thunder_Child |
| 02:52.39 | alestane | Yssaril, there's something about the way tiling is handled that makes it fluky when you change it after the object's creation IIRC. It might get fixed at some point but for now it's really meant to be used with XML. |
| 02:53.11 | Yssaril | alestane: k /sigh |
| 02:53.46 | Jerub | Arrowmaster: you're experiencing too-low transfer rates for long running tcp connections? |
| 02:53.53 | Jerub | Arrowmaster: are you uploading at the same time? |
| 02:54.01 | Arrowmaster | upload is throttled |
| 02:54.07 | Dagmar | Some ISP like to fuck with you |
| 02:54.11 | Dagmar | It gives them erections |
| 02:54.14 | Jerub | Arrowmaster: and what's the host doing the download, and what's the gateway you're using? |
| 02:54.25 | Dagmar | It's not a bug that can be "fixed", Jerub. |
| 02:54.26 | Jerub | Arrowmaster: i mean, OS |
| 02:54.33 | Arrowmaster | OS is linux |
| 02:54.39 | Dagmar | Comcast has turned on that same crap here a few times |
| 02:54.40 | Arrowmaster | remember im a network engineer |
| 02:54.49 | Arrowmaster | i know what im doing |
| 02:54.51 | MoonWitch | Arrowmaster: http://www.speedtest.net/result/1040042667.png my speeds |
| 02:55.22 | Arrowmaster | MoonWitch: others in this channel could make you feel like that was slow |
| 02:55.28 | MoonWitch | I know |
| 02:55.34 | Jerub | Arrowmaster: this is *really* annoying because i've been forwarded some stuff the other day that was an irc transcript, which explains this really clearly, but i haven't gotten permission to republish. |
| 02:55.40 | MoonWitch | My max speed (max speed in Belgium) would be 100Mbps |
| 02:55.48 | Jerub | Arrowmaster: two things to try, the first is much easier, especially as you're on linux. |
| 02:56.04 | Jerub | Arrowmaster: restrict the size of your txqueuelen to very small. 0 1 or 2. it should be at 1000 now. |
| 02:56.37 | Jerub | that can help with getting tcp congestion control to work properly, instead of being killed at birth |
| 02:56.47 | MoonWitch | But I chose to not pay 150EUR a month for 100Mbps ... |
| 02:57.51 | Dagmar | Jerub: Or... he could just go scream at his ISP and demand they abandon that throttling policy |
| 02:58.00 | Dagmar | Of the two, only one of these things is an appropriate response. |
| 02:58.38 | Yssaril | alestane: just found out that tiling seams to work if you do :SetTexture( tex, true) |
| 02:58.39 | Jerub | the other thing is to consider setting up RED/GRED on your gateway, which is poorly documented and hard to do. |
| 02:59.05 | Dagmar | Lemme guess... Jerub's never used a cablemodem. |
| 02:59.36 | Wobin | I had a cablemodem once |
| 02:59.41 | Arrowmaster | yeah when cablemodems are involved you cant really do much |
| 02:59.43 | Wobin | every time it broke down |
| 02:59.55 | Wobin | it took a week for Telstra to come around and hit the box outside our house with a mallet |
| 03:00.03 | Jerub | sure you can. throw a double nat on. |
| 03:00.12 | Wobin | that's after waiting half a day on hold |
| 03:00.17 | MoonWitch | ps anyone ever used bluehost (or heard of em) |
| 03:00.19 | Dagmar | o.O |
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| 03:00.28 | Dagmar | Someone's high |
| 03:01.13 | Kraps | MoonWitch: what about them |
| 03:01.21 | MoonWitch | good/bad |
| 03:01.25 | Jerub | (if the txqueuelen mods don't help, don't bother with setting up RED, it's probably traffic shaping within the ISP gone mad) |
| 03:01.41 | Dagmar | NOt gone mad... "Working exactly as intended" |
| 03:02.03 | Arrowmaster | trying to figure out how to pull the current txqueuelen |
| 03:03.06 | alestane | Setting the tex buffer probably resets the object, Yssaril. |
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| 03:03.07 | Jerub | um, should just be ifconfig eth0 txqueuelen 2 |
| 03:03.17 | Kraps | MoonWitch: are you familiar with the instance podcast or extralife comic? |
| 03:03.24 | Arrowmaster | yeah i want to check the current value first |
| 03:03.32 | MoonWitch | Kraps the instance yes, extralife no. |
| 03:03.50 | alestane | Isn't that Scott Johnson? |
| 03:03.56 | Kraps | yes |
| 03:04.22 | Kraps | anyway, all that stuff was hosted by bluehost |
| 03:04.33 | Kraps | and then |
| 03:04.35 | Kraps | http://randydeluxe.com/just-yappin/an-open-letter-to-bluehost/ |
| 03:04.39 | Jerub | Arrowmaster: ip link eth0 |
| 03:04.42 | Jerub | 'qlen 1000' |
| 03:05.01 | Jerub | and it's 'ip link set eth0 txqueuelen $len' |
| 03:05.21 | Jerub | (just looked up the modern way of doing it. die ifconfig die) |
| 03:06.19 | Dagmar | Kraps: Those are the tools I heard about who cut off a customer because they merely _thought_ the customer was generating too much traffic, right? |
| 03:06.27 | Kraps | yup |
| 03:07.24 | MoonWitch | Kraps : thanks |
| 03:08.07 | Kraps | (if you read that post in in randy's voice its 10 times better :p ) |
| 03:08.48 | MoonWitch | So any recommended hosts then (I would like RoR, perl, python and ssh access, it has to be linux hosting of course, php mysql but those are standard) |
| 03:09.03 | Dagmar | MoonWitch: According to Speedtest, I'm getting ~14Mb/s down and 3Mb/s up... which is a complete fiction |
| 03:09.37 | Arrowmaster | 'powerboost' or whatever your isp calls it |
| 03:09.41 | Jerub | MoonWitch: i use linode, i pay $20 a month |
| 03:09.53 | Jerub | MoonWitch: do you have any cpu, storage or i/o requirements? |
| 03:09.55 | Arrowmaster | ive watched downloads slow down exactly when they hit the 20MB mark |
| 03:10.29 | Dagmar | http://customer.comcast.com/Pages/FAQListViewer.aspx?topic=Internet&folder=8b2fc392-4cde-4750-ba34-051cd5feacf0&AspxAutoDetectCookieSupport=1 |
| 03:10.30 | Jerub | Arrowmaster: sounds like the buckets in their traffic shaping algorithm provide for exactly 20mb of burst :/ |
| 03:10.34 | Jerub | ffs. i hate that crap. |
| 03:10.37 | Dagmar | No shit, really? |
| 03:11.21 | Arrowmaster | oh wow you guys on comcast only get it for 10MB? |
| 03:11.47 | Dagmar | Yeah, it's kinda a crap solution because they _never_ fucking talk about the speeds you get after the throttling kicks in |
| 03:12.19 | Dagmar | This is why I've been practically screaming at the screen that no, changing interface settings won't do dick |
| 03:12.29 | Dagmar | I'm familiar with the practice. |
| 03:12.49 | taroven | "A PowerBoost burst will normally last as long as the 10MB of a file download on Comcast's 6Mbps High-Speed Internet service, and as long as 5MB of a file upload." - That's something designed for *large* files? Right... |
| 03:12.56 | Dagmar | After that Sandvine crap, I don't trust Comcast, period, so I've got monitoring going on like mad here |
| 03:13.08 | Dagmar | That's their idea of "large files" |
| 03:13.16 | Cide | well yeah |
| 03:13.22 | Cide | that's several hundred of lines of text! |
| 03:13.24 | taroven | I've shat files bigger than that. |
| 03:13.26 | Arrowmaster | my idea of large files is the 15gig ones im trying to download |
| 03:13.33 | Nobgul-Raiding | lol |
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| 03:13.40 | Dagmar | Basically, another nerf of the connection for anyone who isn't just surfing facebook adn TMZ like a good little consumer monkey. |
| 03:14.16 | Nobgul-Raiding | Well I guess they could think what type of 15gig files would you be downloading thatr are legit? |
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| 03:14.43 | Dagmar | I know from long experience that the upload speed you get after that goes away is horrible |
| 03:15.00 | Arrowmaster | i dont think i get powerboost on my upload at all |
| 03:15.01 | taroven | is quite happy with his unshaped 10/2 line after all... |
| 03:15.07 | Dagmar | Nobgul-Raiding: Not gigabyte. Megabyte. |
| 03:15.10 | Nobgul-Raiding | I was talking to someone the other night that works for comcrap. In here. |
| 03:15.55 | Arrowmaster | omfg |
| 03:16.13 | Arrowmaster | 75KB/s running my system update |
| 03:16.24 | Arrowmaster | from ftp.us.debian.org servers |
| 03:16.40 | Nobgul-Raiding | lol |
| 03:16.47 | taroven | Arrowmaster, I'd download for you if I could. |
| 03:17.09 | Arrowmaster | the 4 different server locations in that dns round robin have enough bandwidth that i should be capping my connection |
| 03:17.21 | MoonWitch | Jerub: Sorry, was reading some reviews. No, I don't have any requests in that area. I just thought that linode might be over the top, seeing as I'd only use it as webhost and to run some scripts on |
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| 03:18.37 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Cable ISPs basically, don't care |
| 03:18.47 | Dagmar | They have your money already. |
| 03:18.48 | Arrowmaster | i need to renew my domains on the 24th when it will finally allow me to renew for 10 years again then i think im going to transfer them to gandi.net |
| 03:19.07 | Arrowmaster | then maybe ill be able to fix my xmpp |
| 03:19.15 | Arrowmaster | since ill finally have dns control |
| 03:19.39 | MoonWitch | mmm Vin Diesel |
| 03:19.44 | Nobgul-Raiding | eww |
| 03:19.58 | MoonWitch | It's the voice .. |
| 03:20.58 | Dagmar | I would like to see Speedtest.net offer a test that deliberately exceeds the TCP session cap powerboost uses, so it reports on what Comcast throttles the transfer speeds down to |
| 03:22.00 | Dagmar | Makes me mad to see 3Mb/s show up on there when I know from long experience that during parts of the day their crap is so congested I'm uploading at 48K |
| 03:22.15 | MoonWitch | Dagmar : I am sorry ... |
| 03:22.19 | MoonWitch | Seriously .. |
| 03:22.27 | Aurorus | yeah, sorry to hear that. It's fully crap. :( |
| 03:22.42 | Aurorus | Why do so many people use Comcast if it's crap? |
| 03:22.53 | Dagmar | Because there is no competition. |
| 03:23.00 | taroven | Aurorus: Sometimes it's the lesser of multiple evils. Or the only choice. |
| 03:23.09 | Dagmar | We only this last year got AT&T as an "option" |
| 03:24.02 | Dagmar | ...and even when there is competition, the theory that competition makes companies work harder fails utterly when the companies think they can completely bullshit the public. |
| 03:24.02 | taroven | I had the choice between Comcast and Cincinnati Bell - That was it. Thankfully CB has fiber running through my apartments and a deal going on with them. But if it wasn't for that, I'd be stuck. |
| 03:24.08 | Arrowmaster | i think AT&T u-verse is available in some areas near by but i bet its only newly developed areas and they dont have service in my old city for a long ass time |
| 03:24.22 | Arrowmaster | taroven: your in cinci? |
| 03:24.33 | taroven | Arrowmaster: Yeah, roundabouts Blue Ash. |
| 03:24.42 | Arrowmaster | im up in dayton area |
| 03:24.50 | taroven | No shit. |
| 03:25.10 | taroven | Been up here for around 3 years. |
| 03:25.19 | Arrowmaster | 24 |
| 03:25.57 | taroven | Heh. I moved around quite a bit for about 4 years before finally saying screw it and actually setting up shop here. |
| 03:32.47 | Shirik | [2. Trade] [Player A] Dear Blizzard, as much as I enjoy playing WoW, I am sure you know that the constant spawning of elementals has caused an annoyance among the world of warcraft |
| 03:32.54 | Shirik | [2. Trade] [Player B] It's not Blizzard's fault, it's global warming. |
| 03:33.56 | Aurorus | lol, awesome |
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| 03:38.22 | Jerub | are there going to be any more cata quests? |
| 03:38.33 | Thunder_Child | yes, in cata |
| 03:39.30 | Jerub | i mean, the pre-cata questchain |
| 03:39.47 | kd3 | if there's more coming, it's going to be a surprise to us. what's up now is all we got on the PTR |
| 03:39.47 | Jerub | which i think got as far as interrogating cultists after some hardcode TSA gate rape |
| 03:40.24 | Thunder_Child | yea, where was the 'magic' scanning |
| 03:41.02 | bluspacecow | theres a protection device for that |
| 03:44.27 | Jerub | ponders a millimeter wave emitted |
| 03:44.31 | Jerub | er emitter |
| 03:44.37 | bluspacecow | http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-20023487-71.html |
| 03:50.46 | Kraps | new yonkers |
| 03:54.12 | Torhal | Foof |
| 03:54.33 | Kraps | burlap bear = winnie the pooh? |
| 03:55.04 | Torhal | taroven: Hrm. I didn't know Cincinnatti had Comcast...most everywhere around there has Time Warner. |
| 03:55.34 | taroven | Torhal: Derp. Tired. Meant Roadrunner. |
| 03:56.15 | Torhal | Heh, ok. I was just in Hamilton a couple of weeks ago and Roadrunner was still the de-facto |
| 03:56.21 | taroven | Heh, yeah. |
| 03:56.52 | taroven | CB isn't too bad, though they really could use some better tech support contracts. |
| 03:57.08 | Arrowmaster | they are probably better than roadrunner |
| 03:57.21 | Arrowmaster | if i call support i just get a fucking call center in india |
| 03:57.51 | Torhal | Last time I had CB was in 2003, when cable was still leaps and bounds faster than DSL...never considered going back |
| 03:58.05 | taroven | Pretty sure I got India last time... guy I talked to had a really heavy accent, and it sounded like his coworkers did too. Which is odd, since every other time I've called there it's sounded at least somewhat local. |
| 03:58.47 | taroven | Was a very aggravating experience trying to explain that the gateway they'd given me was a broken old POS. |
| 03:59.23 | Arrowmaster | i tried to call and tell them one of their routers was a POS and overloaded every fucking night starting at 8pm |
| 03:59.33 | Arrowmaster | didnt work out well |
| 03:59.59 | taroven | "It overheats after six hours of use and refuses to connect if there's any sort of connection attempt - in OR out - during the startup phase." "Got a safety pin on you?" "...wut" |
| 04:11.08 | MoonWitch | I am impressed : mailed Linode like 5 min ago : already have an answer ... |
| 04:11.19 | Wobin | Was the answer no? |
| 04:13.13 | bluspacecow | what is a Linode and can I eat it ? |
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| 04:13.57 | Dagmar | It's a virtual host |
| 04:14.08 | Kraps | bluspacecow: i'm hungry |
| 04:14.15 | Dagmar | I've been meaning to look into their stance on Minecraft |
| 04:14.19 | bluspacecow | oh rly ? |
| 04:14.37 | bluspacecow | @kraps well go eat something then :\ |
| 04:14.39 | Dagmar | Whoops. Already done. They use Xen. |
| 04:14.43 | Dagmar | Xen and java don't get along well |
| 04:16.03 | Dagmar | Argh.... su - minecraft -s /opt/minecraft/run.sh |
| 04:17.07 | Dagmar | EVen if they've sorted the issues between Xen and Java, _that_ irks me. eight letters... Not hard to count that high but people fail at it |
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| 04:17.55 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:17.57 | bluspacecow | :( |
| 04:18.55 | Dagmar | Yeah and it makes doing a shell script to run the server that much more complex, too |
| 04:20.41 | Dagmar | http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=1013&t=67082&p=1070701&hilit=init+script <-- the things I had to do... pfft. |
| 04:22.14 | taroven | ...I'm REALLY curious about why Linux decides to panic and reboot whenever I plug in and try to use my bluetooth dongle. |
| 04:22.24 | taroven | Or, for that matter, try to boot with it plugged in. |
| 04:22.28 | Dagmar | It _reboots_? |
| 04:22.41 | Dagmar | Weird. What distro? |
| 04:22.41 | taroven | Correction, shuts down completely. |
| 04:22.47 | taroven | Every distro I've tried. |
| 04:22.50 | taroven | I kid not. |
| 04:23.06 | Dagmar | There must be a serious glitch in the driver for your USB controller |
| 04:23.33 | taroven | Plugged it in for shits and giggles an hour or so ago, it registered fine and I got a Bluetooth icon in the systray - Went to add a connection and BOOM instant shutdown. |
| 04:24.05 | Dagmar | Have you tried a different dongle? |
| 04:24.11 | taroven | Don't have one available. |
| 04:24.20 | taroven | Every other USB device I have works great, at least. |
| 04:24.26 | taroven | Windows handles it fine. |
| 04:24.31 | Dagmar | The drivers tend to be a little "trusting" and if the device behaves in a manner outside the spec, bad things can happen |
| 04:24.47 | taroven | So I've noticed. |
| 04:24.52 | Dagmar | I've got three different ones here, of various levels of fitness, but none of them do that thankfully |
| 04:24.53 | taroven | Sec, I'll try to find the exact adapter. |
| 04:26.57 | taroven | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833242001 |
| 04:27.05 | bluspacecow | any logs you can examine about it ? |
| 04:27.15 | bluspacecow | in system management I thihk it is for windoze |
| 04:27.46 | taroven | Not worried about windows... aside from not booting to windows for more than 5 minutes in the past six months, it's Linux with the issue. |
| 04:28.27 | taroven | dmesg doesn't give anything helpful, sadly. |
| 04:28.31 | bluspacecow | ahh |
| 04:28.52 | bluspacecow | again is there any logs for when it's connecting you can examine ? |
| 04:29.07 | taroven | Yep. And the last message is... Bluetooth: SCO socket layer initialized |
| 04:29.15 | bluspacecow | .... |
| 04:29.17 | bluspacecow | hmmmm |
| 04:29.29 | bluspacecow | anything after that ? |
| 04:29.51 | Dagmar | If it's done that with multiple distros, I'm gonna have to favor "broken hardware" as the cause |
| 04:29.55 | taroven | s/is.../really is.../ |
| 04:30.08 | Dagmar | Google shows a number of people using that same device just fine (even under Xandros, which is hateful crap) |
| 04:30.14 | taroven | Yeah. |
| 04:30.19 | bluspacecow | i woud try using a different device |
| 04:30.26 | taroven | I prolly will once I get some cash. |
| 04:30.29 | bluspacecow | and finding out what is logged for a "good" device |
| 04:30.52 | taroven | I've got a wiimote and a headset that I'd like to use, along with my phone. |
| 04:31.24 | Dagmar | I wouldn't rule out the USB chipset as the cause just yet either |
| 04:31.46 | taroven | Funny thing is, only reason I want to connect the phone is because it doesn't like copying photos to its SD card, which means it's a pain in the ass to get my work schedule copied down if I'm in a hurry =P |
| 04:31.57 | bluspacecow | -_- sad |
| 04:32.04 | Dagmar | Is it doing a full kernel panic complete with bizarre number spams, or just going *BOOP* and rebooting? |
| 04:32.09 | bluspacecow | i have the new version for windowshade released a week ago |
| 04:32.13 | taroven | Honestly I'll replace my motherboard before the dongle. It's definitely not a huge deal. |
| 04:32.18 | bluspacecow | and sparkles only just come up with the update |
| 04:32.27 | taroven | Just going BOOP + death. |
| 04:32.32 | Dagmar | Hardware. |
| 04:32.33 | Kraps | i bought age of empires 3 |
| 04:32.37 | taroven | Yeah. |
| 04:32.42 | Dagmar | Very likely your motherboard |
| 04:32.43 | Kraps | for 5 dollars |
| 04:32.44 | taroven | This mobo's sketchy as all hell anyway. |
| 04:33.08 | bluspacecow | wasm |
| 04:33.10 | bluspacecow | it |
| 04:33.14 | bluspacecow | 0.10 C ? |
| 04:33.20 | bluspacecow | 10 cents kraps ? |
| 04:33.31 | Kraps | i bought points |
| 04:33.31 | taroven | It's a refurb HP system that I've built around for the last couple years. Only remaining original hardware is the mobo, processor, and two gigs of ram. |
| 04:33.31 | Dagmar | Might be that it's asking for high-power mode on the port and then the USB chipset does a war crime |
| 04:33.38 | bluspacecow | oh right |
| 04:33.48 | bluspacecow | so yous can buy other games on the cheap right Kraps |
| 04:33.56 | Kraps | yes! |
| 04:34.05 | bluspacecow | Good plan *thumbs up* |
| 04:34.51 | taroven | So yeah... next on the list of Taro's Purchases is a phenom x6 with an equally beast mobo to match. |
| 04:34.53 | Nobgul | 10 cent specials? |
| 04:35.05 | Dagmar | Mm.... tasty! |
| 04:35.05 | Nobgul | x6 |
| 04:35.06 | Nobgul | 0_o |
| 04:35.22 | taroven | Such a deliciously awesome processor. |
| 04:35.32 | Nobgul | I haven't looked at new processors and stuff ina while. |
| 04:35.32 | bluspacecow | *grabs it* |
| 04:35.34 | bluspacecow | *eats it* |
| 04:35.39 | Nobgul | Whats the diff from a quad core? |
| 04:35.39 | bluspacecow | oh nom nom nom |
| 04:35.45 | Dagmar | MOAR COARS |
| 04:36.01 | Nobgul | ah thats it |
| 04:36.02 | ccox | 2 more cores? |
| 04:36.03 | Nobgul | pfft. |
| 04:36.10 | Dagmar | It's a CPU that can actually give a video card a run for it's money on power draw. ;) |
| 04:36.11 | taroven | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103849 |
| 04:36.32 | Nobgul | lol at the price |
| 04:37.15 | taroven | Yeah, I'll prolly pay $50 less for a slightly lower-clocked version. |
| 04:37.38 | Kraps | taroven: amd ftl! |
| 04:37.42 | Nobgul | 0_o |
| 04:37.49 | Nobgul | CPU Info: (4 CPU's - AMD Phenom 9500 Quad-Core Processor, 2.21 GHz, L1: 64KB L2: 512KB (14% Load)) |
| 04:37.52 | taroven | Only practical difference after standard air-cooled overclock is price anyway. |
| 04:37.54 | Nobgul | =) |
| 04:38.09 | taroven | Kraps: Money ftl! |
| 04:38.17 | taroven | I'd go i7 if I could afford it. |
| 04:38.29 | taroven | But I can't, and I like AMD anyway. |
| 04:38.44 | taroven | ...except their graphics division, which can burn for all I care. |
| 04:38.48 | Dagmar | They charge the *crap* out of you for i7 |
| 04:39.07 | taroven | hugs his trusty old GTX260 |
| 04:39.23 | djDef | same one i got taroven |
| 04:39.27 | djDef | rockin a core2duo too |
| 04:39.29 | djDef | 65nm |
| 04:39.37 | Nobgul | My wife had a core2duo |
| 04:39.46 | Nobgul | I think in some ways it out profoms this pc |
| 04:39.50 | Nobgul | proforms |
| 04:39.51 | Nobgul | )_o |
| 04:39.54 | djDef | i love mine |
| 04:40.01 | djDef | i had an old ass p4 3.0ghz prescott |
| 04:40.04 | Nobgul | anyway this has 4 gigs ore ram and is a lot slower |
| 04:40.05 | taroven | Heh. I'm rockin a Athlon 6000+ dualcore of some sort. |
| 04:40.06 | djDef | this is like so much more of a beast |
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| 04:40.43 | Dagmar | I wanted to lower my power bill so I got a 4850e |
| 04:41.11 | taroven | Honestly if I want to lower my power bill at this point, it's new mobo or gtfo. |
| 04:41.21 | taroven | This thing is such a power hungry beast. |
| 04:41.34 | MoonWitch | holy crap my pc is almost chokin on 1080p .. it's about 9GB :P |
| 04:41.39 | Nobgul | What type of vid cards u using? |
| 04:41.58 | Dagmar | Allow me to wave my diamond-tipped cane in the general direction of an AM3 socket |
| 04:41.59 | djDef | mine? gtx 260 |
| 04:42.12 | Nobgul | MoonWitch, i can't run bluray on my pc without burps gotta downsample to 720p |
| 04:42.25 | djDef | i run bluray flawlessly on mine |
| 04:42.29 | Dagmar | Nobgul: Whaaaa? |
| 04:42.31 | Nobgul | Display Info: (1280x720 32bit 60Hz) ¤ Monitor: (Plug and Play Monitor) |
| 04:42.35 | djDef | in fact just finished the directors cut of avatar :) |
| 04:42.37 | taroven | Dagmar: Yeah... I don't even know the socket on this thing, but I know it's nothing recent or remotely upgradeable. |
| 04:42.42 | Nobgul | Hrmm that tell nothing. anyway its a 42 inch lcd. |
| 04:42.48 | djDef | my bluray is hardware accelerated by my GPU (260gtx) too |
| 04:42.49 | Dagmar | Nobgul: What the heck video card? |
| 04:42.51 | MoonWitch | the used resulution on this video is ac tually the same size as my monitor (mpc opened it and it as :P) 2048*1152 |
| 04:42.55 | Nobgul | Video Card: (nVidia GeForce 6600) ¤ Sound Card: (USB Audio Device) |
| 04:43.01 | Dagmar | Ahh... |
| 04:43.03 | Nobgul | =( |
| 04:43.17 | Nobgul | i had a 8500 but one of the diode's or tansisters or w/e poped |
| 04:43.18 | Dagmar | Yeah, I think an 8500 is the door fee for CUDA to handle your blueray for you |
| 04:43.24 | Nobgul | sounded like a airplane taking off |
| 04:43.26 | Dagmar | ouch |
| 04:43.30 | Nobgul | whhhhhhhzzzzzzz pop |
| 04:43.35 | taroven | Eep. |
| 04:43.58 | Dagmar | er... not CUDA. Can't remember the name of it at the moment |
| 04:44.00 | Nobgul | Yer scare the hell out of me lol |
| 04:44.01 | MoonWitch | OMFG it's got a sound dub over! |
| 04:44.09 | Dagmar | Works pretty good tho |
| 04:44.14 | taroven | Nobgul: If you get a windfall of cash, the gtx460 is apparently pretty damn cheap. |
| 04:44.48 | Nobgul | taroven: not with the ammount of kids i have. |
| 04:45.02 | Dagmar | It'a almost alarmingly cheap |
| 04:45.10 | Nobgul | If this vid card goes bad ill be drawing wow with a pencil lol |
| 04:45.15 | taroven | Correction. GTS450, $130 midpoint. |
| 04:45.34 | Mirrormn | there was a GTX460 for $115 on amazon just recently, I believe |
| 04:45.40 | Mirrormn | (768mb) |
| 04:46.12 | taroven | Just looking at Newegg atm, $150 for a GTX460. |
| 04:46.24 | taroven | Black Friday could be nice this year. |
| 04:46.44 | taroven | If those get discounted any, I may just need to be late on rent. |
| 04:46.45 | Arrowmaster | i thought ram was dirt cheap |
| 04:46.57 | Dagmar | Yep. I'm waitin' patiently to see what happens on Black Thursday |
| 04:47.03 | Mirrormn | mmm http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?nm_mc=AFC-SlickDeals&cm_mmc=AFC-SlickDeals-_-NA-_-NA-_-NA&Item=N82E16814121390 $130 after rebate, $115 after coupon code |
| 04:47.17 | taroven | Eww rebate. |
| 04:47.19 | Arrowmaster | why does a GTX460 have less video ram than my GTX275 |
| 04:47.43 | Mirrormn | the 768mb version 460s are a lower binned chip |
| 04:47.47 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: In part because damn few things actually turned out to need gobs and gobs of texture memory |
| 04:47.52 | Mirrormn | where 1/4 of the stream processors are disabled |
| 04:47.54 | taroven | *60 models are the budget line. |
| 04:48.18 | Dagmar | Eh? |
| 04:48.35 | Mirrormn | and since the design somehow connected the stream processors to the memory, disabling 1/4 of the stream processors meant there was no reason for 1/4 of the memory to be included |
| 04:48.38 | Mirrormn | something like that |
| 04:49.13 | Dagmar | taroven: afiak it's the 450 that's the budget model |
| 04:49.30 | Mirrormn | you can get a 1GB GTX460 for $150 |
| 04:49.57 | Kraps | holy crap fringe is awesome and it got moved to friday night |
| 04:49.57 | taroven | 450 definitely is the budget model. Nvidia didn't do a 250 or 350 though - the *50 line for GTS/X seems like an actual budget line. |
| 04:50.07 | Kraps | WTFWTFWTFWTFWTF |
| 04:50.16 | Arrowmaster | from what i remember of the fermi design defects, everything on the chip is in 1/4 blocks i think, so if anything is wrong with a part of a block 1/4 of the entire chip has to be disabled |
| 04:50.20 | taroven | ie, the "Entry-level dx11" line. |
| 04:50.43 | Dagmar | Yeah I've been chipping away at sorting out their product line some this month becasue the 9800 I'm using was just a temporary fix after an 8800 blew out |
| 04:51.02 | Mirrormn | Arrowmaster: that seems about right, except the 768mb GTX460 is not precisely 3/4 the performance of the 1024mb GTX460 |
| 04:51.02 | Dagmar | $150 for a 460 is very very doable online |
| 04:51.08 | Mirrormn | they're a lot closer than that |
| 04:51.22 | Gnarfoz | there are no product lines. deal with it, it's just random |
| 04:51.32 | Arrowmaster | im happy with my 275 |
| 04:51.39 | Gnarfoz | (and they keep re-labeling shit, too) |
| 04:51.46 | Dagmar | The size of the 460's bars on these benchmark sites is also very impressive |
| 04:51.55 | Mirrormn | yar |
| 04:52.03 | Mirrormn | although the 6850 is a good competitor now |
| 04:52.11 | Gnarfoz | gtx460 1GB is pretty awesome performance for your money |
| 04:52.12 | Mirrormn | nvidia was ruling the price point for a couple months |
| 04:52.22 | taroven | I'm completely cool with my 260 for now. Much more excited about some hawt mobo/processor action. |
| 04:52.44 | Mirrormn | I still have a 9800gt... maybe I will get a gtx460 for christms |
| 04:52.52 | Arrowmaster | i just wish the linux drivers could do compositing and still have video output without tares |
| 04:53.12 | Dagmar | what? |
| 04:53.39 | taroven | Arrowmaster: Know what you mean... Sync to vblank doesn't always seem to work. -.- |
| 04:53.52 | Arrowmaster | it just plain doesnt work with compositing |
| 04:54.19 | Dagmar | My windows jiggle properly, and some of them explode. It makes me happy. |
| 04:54.21 | Kraps | the age of empires comes with its 2 expansions, those should be cool |
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| 04:55.17 | taroven | Honestly I haven't had any major tearing issues. Fullscreen youtube flickers like all hell, but everything else has been fine. |
| 04:57.58 | taroven | Hm... doesn't look like a gts450 would be any improvement for me. dx11 aside, the thing's got about the same or less brute power of my gtx260. That's kinda sad. |
| 04:59.07 | Mirrormn | not really unexpected |
| 04:59.16 | taroven | Naw. |
| 04:59.27 | taroven | On the bright side, the gtx460 isn't much more expensive at all. |
| 04:59.50 | taroven | And that definitely is an improvement if I actually feel the need for it. |
| 05:01.52 | Dagmar | taroven: The 460 does extra things |
| 05:01.55 | Dagmar | ...like tesselation. |
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| 05:02.18 | taroven | ...which we probably won't see much software support for in Linux for a while. |
| 05:02.44 | Dagmar | o.O It's something mainly only games have to worry about |
| 05:02.52 | Dagmar | DX11 stuff |
| 05:02.58 | taroven | Yep. |
| 05:03.24 | Dagmar | You drop all users into a group that can only look, no touchie |
| 05:03.31 | Dagmar | argh wrong chan |
| 05:03.35 | taroven | XD |
| 05:05.12 | taroven | Seriously though, if I want to get into something that really requires those shiny dx11 features, I'll totally snag a 460. For now though, don't need it at all. |
| 05:06.28 | taroven | And I'm having trouble forming coherent trains of thought, so off to bed I go. |
| 05:07.18 | Dagmar | WoW can use it, or so I heard. |
| 05:07.30 | Dagmar | Not sure if they did the tesselation thing tho |
| 05:08.27 | Mirrormn | I believe wow only uses dx11 features for new water effects |
| 05:09.01 | Nobgul | Thats what I herd as well. |
| 05:16.20 | airtonix | kinky |
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| 05:20.02 | Nobgul | Many whelps Now Handle it! |
| 05:20.04 | Nobgul | hehe |
| 05:28.07 | Kraps | BioShock 2 is $10? |
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| 05:30.56 | Xyphoid | i assume the t0.5 chain goes away with cata? |
| 05:32.16 | kd3 | yes |
| 05:32.32 | kd3 | largely because T0 goes away with cata too |
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| 05:47.13 | MoonWitch | dagmar? the no touchie comment made me sad |
| 05:47.44 | MoonWitch | I need smokies |
| 05:50.42 | Kraps | http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/4/2010/11/land-of-the-free.jpg |
| 05:50.48 | cogwheel | hmmm... i got more birthday e-mails from forum software than people... |
| 05:50.52 | cogwheel | I blame facebook |
| 05:55.55 | Adys | I blame people who care about birthdays |
| 05:56.32 | cogwheel | i find them annoying |
| 05:56.58 | Adys | birthdays or the people who care about them? |
| 05:57.06 | cogwheel | birthdays |
| 05:59.52 | Thunder_Child | i find that birthdays help me remeber what forums i belong to |
| 05:59.57 | Thunder_Child | remember* |
| 06:00.00 | cogwheel | i don't like being fussed over for things I didn't "do" |
| 06:00.33 | Thunder_Child | you didnt get born? |
| 06:00.47 | cogwheel | note the passive voice... |
| 06:00.57 | cogwheel | "get born" |
| 06:01.00 | Thunder_Child | you are typing |
| 06:01.02 | cogwheel | as in it was the mom doing the doing |
| 06:01.13 | Thunder_Child | no, she gave birth, you got born |
| 06:01.24 | cogwheel | "got" is passive |
| 06:01.28 | cogwheel | it was happening to me |
| 06:01.53 | Thunder_Child | just because something happens to you doesnt mean you didnt do anything |
| 06:02.09 | cogwheel | so i can understand people celebrating the being born |
| 06:02.16 | cogwheel | yay new bebbeh |
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| 06:03.07 | cogwheel | birthdays are yay i haven't died yet |
| 06:03.20 | Thunder_Child | just a little insdie |
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| 06:19.00 | harriboo | trying to mod RangeDisplay (http://wowuidev.pastey.net/143152) an replace target with a specific player instead (it shows range to your target, I need range from my healer) anyone see what I should do? tried replacing "playertarget" with the name of my healer but that was not quite enough :< |
| 06:21.02 | Nobgul | You can't put a playername in there. |
| 06:21.22 | harriboo | oh :( |
| 06:21.29 | Nobgul | 1 sec |
| 06:22.39 | Nobgul | What exactly are you trying to do? |
| 06:23.06 | Nobgul | Always make sure you are in range of a healer? |
| 06:23.11 | harriboo | yes |
| 06:23.17 | harriboo | or atleast know when im not |
| 06:23.22 | Nobgul | hehe |
| 06:23.24 | Nobgul | What i do is |
| 06:23.30 | Nobgul | What type of toon do you play? |
| 06:23.33 | Nobgul | class etc. |
| 06:23.37 | harriboo | the addon is really nice with sounds when you enter a specific range etc |
| 06:23.44 | harriboo | warrior |
| 06:24.01 | harriboo | you can use it like it is and put your healer on focus |
| 06:24.07 | harriboo | but then you dont got focus for other things no more |
| 06:24.19 | harriboo | it works on focus, target and mouseover as it is |
| 06:24.44 | Nobgul | Imho what i do is i have a set of macro's that i keep on my sidebar. When i get into a instance i update them |
| 06:24.56 | Nobgul | #showtooltip |
| 06:25.07 | Nobgul | cast [@healername] Vigelence |
| 06:25.22 | Nobgul | excuse the spelling. But yer if you out of range the button goes where you cant cast it.. |
| 06:25.59 | harriboo | hm, i only got intervene for friendly range checking :D |
| 06:26.12 | Nobgul | vig has a 35 yard range i think |
| 06:26.21 | Nobgul | Are u not prot? |
| 06:26.45 | harriboo | Well this is for pvp mostly |
| 06:27.09 | Nobgul | damn |
| 06:27.36 | Nobgul | Yer i mean the only other thing i can think of is to use a dbm range window |
| 06:27.39 | haste | Shirik: yeah, I've seen it before as well :P |
| 06:27.40 | Nobgul | and set it to 30 |
| 06:27.58 | harriboo | dbm? |
| 06:28.08 | Dajova | is it only for arena? then try to let if find you first party member |
| 06:28.11 | Nobgul | Deadly Boss Mods |
| 06:28.23 | harriboo | nice ill check it out |
| 06:28.29 | Nobgul | You could use the pvp frame addon thing as well |
| 06:28.54 | Nobgul | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info17095-Oversight.html |
| 06:29.30 | Nobgul | i think i saw the frames fade on range. But don't quote me |
| 06:31.58 | Dajova | most uf replacements fades out on range |
| 06:32.29 | Dajova | i think even default blizz raid frames does that as well |
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| 07:04.08 | Fisker | i once killed a guy |
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| 07:11.20 | Fisker | i'm sure you couldn't have done the same cogwheel |
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| 07:13.30 | Fisker | nor you bluspacecow |
| 07:13.43 | bluspacecow | hmmm ? |
| 07:14.08 | Fisker | i once killed a guy bluspacecow |
| 07:14.22 | bluspacecow | lolz |
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| 07:17.42 | Fisker | so bluspacecow |
| 07:17.44 | Fisker | what will you do? |
| 07:17.52 | bluspacecow | sleep! |
| 07:18.00 | Fisker | oh ok |
| 07:18.13 | Fisker | then i'll just kill you in your sleep |
| 07:18.35 | Fisker | hope you like dying :( |
| 07:18.39 | bluspacecow | lolz |
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| 07:29.24 | Mike-N-Go | Whats going on, guys? |
| 07:29.43 | batrick | not a damn thing |
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| 07:29.56 | batrick | i really hate data mining html |
| 07:30.04 | batrick | it's an exercise in futility |
| 07:33.26 | Fisker | hey batrick |
| 07:33.39 | Mike-N-Go | batrick: What are you trying to find? |
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| 08:19.03 | Shirik | ok |
| 08:19.09 | Shirik | I'm done playing with awful people in SC |
| 08:19.18 | Shirik | my roommate is probably the worst player to ever play an RTS |
| 08:19.36 | Shirik | It's not that he is bad, he actually is fairly decent, but he refuses to learn from mistakes, and assumes he knows everything, so refuses to research |
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| 08:45.02 | Mike-N-Go | Hey Shirik! Long time, no chat. |
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| 09:49.15 | krka | Shirik: playing games shouldn't require research, it should just be fun! |
| 09:50.21 | Kalroth | what if the research is fun? |
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| 10:01.15 | Shirik | no krka |
| 10:01.21 | Shirik | and hi Mike-N-Go |
| 10:01.31 | Shirik | also I've been playing SC so long I can't bend my pinky |
| 10:02.02 | Shirik | Cairenn|afk needs to kiss it and make it better |
| 10:03.15 | Cairenn|afk | blows kisses towards Shirik's finger |
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| 10:03.41 | Shirik | :) |
| 10:04.04 | TMc51 | Bad idea. Who knows where that finger's been? |
| 10:04.08 | Shirik | .... |
| 10:05.26 | Kalroth | hahah |
| 10:06.38 | Shirik | seriously, why do Java programs always have a habit of, if you leave them minimized forever, next time you open it up it'll take 5 minutes |
| 10:06.42 | Shirik | to respond |
| 10:07.12 | TMc51 | Java is just slow like that. |
| 10:07.16 | Kalroth | I'm guessing it's because they're being moved to swap after a timeout |
| 10:07.34 | Kalroth | Windows got a habit of moving stuff to swap, even if you got enough memory |
| 10:07.36 | Shirik | but seriously 5 minutes is a lot of memory |
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| 10:07.44 | Shirik | even if the entire thing was in swap |
| 10:07.57 | Kalroth | that depends a lot on how fragmented your swap is |
| 10:08.14 | Kalroth | and how many concurrent memory blocks it is trying to load at the same time |
| 10:08.41 | Shirik | yay! I finally got my computer back |
| 10:08.45 | Shirik | wait no, the program closed but still my computer is freaking out |
| 10:09.03 | Kalroth | no wonder, you've scarred it for life |
| 10:09.12 | Kalroth | "PLS SHIRIK NO MORE JAVA, I BEG YOU" |
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| 10:09.34 | Kalroth | maybe Oracle will fix it with the pro version that you pay for |
| 10:10.36 | Shirik | lol |
| 10:12.42 | Shirik | holy shit |
| 10:12.47 | Shirik | what was he smoking |
| 10:12.56 | Shirik | I just got the grades for my second exam |
| 10:13.05 | Shirik | I KNOW I seriously screwed up that test |
| 10:13.07 | Shirik | I got a 92... |
| 10:13.17 | Kalroth | the new scale goes to 200, Shirik |
| 10:13.20 | Shirik | .. |
| 10:13.30 | Shirik | You know what pisses me off the most about this? |
| 10:13.34 | Shirik | IT MEANS I STILL HAVE TO DO WORK |
| 10:13.46 | Shirik | I have a job offer, I've already accepted it, I want this last semester to be laid back |
| 10:14.00 | Shirik | but noooooooo, I have a 4.0 and if I get all As this semester I'll graduate with distinction |
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| 10:14.37 | Kalroth | you poor thing |
| 10:14.43 | Shirik | If I could just get a low grade that would force me to get a B, I would be like "sweet no more work" |
| 10:14.46 | Shirik | but no |
| 10:14.50 | Caleb| | plays the world's smallest violin for Shirik |
| 10:14.55 | Shirik | my professors are like "I'm going to toy with your emotions hahaha" |
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| 10:27.41 | Cairenn|afk | just too make sure I've got this correct - you're whinging because you got a GOOD mark? |
| 10:30.50 | krka | Shirik: that java thing sounds like a windows thing more than a java thing. java just uses more memory than c in general :P |
| 10:31.00 | Shirik | yes Cairenn|afk |
| 10:31.09 | Shirik | you see it's quite simple |
| 10:31.13 | Shirik | if I got low grades I wouldn't have to work hard |
| 10:31.20 | Cairenn|afk | okay, just wanted to make sure I was understanding it correctly |
| 10:31.28 | Shirik | but if I get high grades I have to work harder just for the possibility that I can get distinction |
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| 11:01.37 | voodoodad | hey |
| 11:02.46 | Cairenn|afk | hi vdd |
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| 11:25.49 | harl | [wuff wuff!] |
| 11:26.10 | Cairenn|afk | ~emulate Cairenn|afk |
| 11:26.10 | purl | ACTION Secretly watches the channel. |
| 11:26.16 | Cairenn|afk | lol |
| 11:26.22 | Cairenn|afk | ~emulate Cairenn |
| 11:26.22 | purl | ACTION purrs |
| 11:26.25 | Cairenn|afk | there we go |
| 11:27.47 | Fisker | i smell an imposter |
| 11:27.58 | Fisker | stares |
| 11:33.33 | harl | cute |
| 11:36.10 | Fisker | careful harl |
| 11:36.14 | Fisker | she's an imposter |
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| 11:47.49 | zenzio | http://squee.icanhascheezburger.com/2010/11/21/cute-baby-animals-do-not-want/ |
| 11:58.13 | airtonix | Shirik, mediocrity is your horizon ? |
| 11:59.02 | airtonix | Shirik, i would have thought that distinctions would give you a better bargaining tool when it comes to salary negotiations |
| 11:59.18 | airtonix | not to mention more interesting employment prospects |
| 11:59.36 | Shirik | yeah well |
| 11:59.39 | Shirik | I already have an offer |
| 11:59.48 | airtonix | or the difference between not getting a position because the other three were just as mediocre as you |
| 11:59.49 | Shirik | I've already accepted it even |
| 11:59.54 | airtonix | for now you do |
| 12:00.52 | airtonix | you could always go back to uni again later for more letters after your name |
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| 12:03.30 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 12:03.40 | Fisker | i'm just letting you know that Cairenn|afk is an imposter :( |
| 12:03.51 | Shirik | I think you are lying :( |
| 12:04.43 | airtonix | EXTERMINATES fisker |
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| 12:27.26 | airtonix | http://www.linuxfoundation.org/news-media/lwf |
| 12:37.02 | Fisker | i have proof Shirik |
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| 12:44.59 | Fisker | don't you want my proof Shirik ? |
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| 13:12.29 | Shirik | no Fisker |
| 13:12.32 | Shirik | you have no proof |
| 13:12.47 | Shirik | you are finnish |
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| 13:12.49 | Shirik | nobody can trust you |
| 13:15.06 | bluspacecow | ? |
| 13:15.10 | bluspacecow | fiskers a fin |
| 13:15.34 | bluspacecow | like swimmy in the sea fin ? |
| 13:16.36 | bluspacecow | no |
| 13:16.43 | bluspacecow | thats a fish |
| 13:17.55 | Fisker | i'm not finnish |
| 13:17.59 | Fisker | and Shirik i do have proof |
| 13:18.00 | Fisker | see |
| 13:18.09 | Fisker | [12:26:28] <@Cairenn|afk> there we go |
| 13:18.14 | Fisker | afk = away from keyboard |
| 13:18.22 | Fisker | but how can she be away from keyboard and still use the keyboard?! |
| 13:18.24 | Fisker | IMPOSTER!Q |
| 13:18.27 | Fisker | -Q |
| 13:18.28 | Shirik | !Q |
| 13:18.34 | Shirik | This is how fiskerq came to be? |
| 13:18.39 | Fisker | yeah! |
| 13:19.32 | bluspacecow | *has vision of fisker as a Q like from star trek* |
| 13:19.34 | bluspacecow | O_O |
| 13:19.39 | bluspacecow | day nightmare ! |
| 13:19.51 | Shirik | I think he would fit right in |
| 13:20.03 | Shirik | I've always considered the continuum to be a bunch of trolls |
| 13:20.54 | bluspacecow | are you kidding me ? i would spend half the time worrying he was my father & grandfathter & uncle & great grandfather ... all at the same time |
| 13:21.16 | Shirik | would that be so bad? |
| 13:21.55 | bluspacecow | yes |
| 13:21.59 | bluspacecow | *pout* |
| 13:22.18 | bluspacecow | because they he could go "I f***** your mom" and be telling the truth >_> |
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| 13:23.10 | Shirik | tackles Lopeppeppy |
| 13:23.22 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Shirik! Happy Monday-thing. |
| 13:24.29 | bluspacecow | \o loppy |
| 13:24.46 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, bluspacecow! |
| 13:27.07 | Shirik | I am not looking forward to flying on Wednesday |
| 13:28.06 | Lopeppeppy | I have to fly next month, and very not looking forward to it. *hug* |
| 13:29.13 | Shirik | yeah but this is thanksgiving |
| 13:29.17 | Shirik | day of hell in airplane land |
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| 13:34.09 | Lopeppeppy | I'm flying for Xmas, also airplane hell. |
| 13:36.40 | Nobgul | Shirik, International or doemstic? |
| 13:36.45 | Nobgul | Domestic* |
| 13:36.45 | Shirik | domestic |
| 13:37.23 | Nobgul | Well just hope you don't have to fly through EWR, they changed almost all of the security lanes to the body x-ray's. |
| 13:39.52 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah... I'm just going to have to allow myself extra time for the frisky pat-down, because I've got enough radiation in my life already. |
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| 13:40.09 | bluspacecow | frisky ? |
| 13:40.12 | bluspacecow | i might enjoy it |
| 13:40.16 | Lopeppeppy | *shudder* |
| 13:40.18 | bluspacecow | and get frisky with them :D |
| 13:40.39 | Lopeppeppy | I don't even let my boyfriend do that crap. Part of me even feels bad for the TSA agents. |
| 13:40.51 | Shirik | Apparently they have TSA agents saying they don't want to do it now either |
| 13:40.58 | Shirik | because they wouldn't want to be subjected to it themselves |
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| 13:42.35 | Lopeppeppy | For sure. |
| 13:43.23 | Nobgul | I dunno. |
| 13:43.52 | Shirik | This is what I'm most worried about, really: http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hveUwrSg5B4XJ7xmVWxRRz6i_PkA?docId=c0128a2838d64071b886e9917abcfd38 |
| 13:46.11 | Shirik | honestly, I don't understand the whole big deal |
| 13:46.17 | Shirik | there's so many other ways terrorists could attack us |
| 13:46.23 | Shirik | Trains have incredibly lax security |
| 13:46.47 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, it doesn't take anything organized to cause that delay. I'm not going to be xrayed, so I will be causing a delay. Many parents will not have their children xrayed... there will be tons of delay. |
| 13:48.54 | Dajova | uhm... i lol'd :D http://mytimemattersblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/asian.jpg |
| 13:50.41 | airtonix | FISKER! |
| 13:53.24 | Fisker | AIRTONIX |
| 13:53.43 | Shirik | bad Dajova |
| 13:53.46 | Shirik | also, time for a nap |
| 13:53.48 | Shirik | nini |
| 13:53.57 | Dajova | harr harr |
| 13:54.00 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 13:54.18 | airtonix | Fisker, i am about to kill a ghoul with your name on it |
| 13:54.24 | sylvanaar | I think all this TSA uproar, its the straw that broke the camels back so to speak |
| 13:54.31 | airtonix | its head shall paint the sand behind it |
| 13:54.46 | Fisker | you are a jerk airtonix |
| 13:55.48 | sylvanaar | im sure there is someone somewhere thinking "we just need another attack so they will shut up and do what we tell them to" |
| 13:56.28 | airtonix | sylvanaar, im sure its being done as we speak |
| 13:56.28 | sylvanaar | its for their own good afterall |
| 13:56.34 | airtonix | im that cynical |
| 13:56.35 | Lopeppeppy | Which is a short step from "why not do something to scare them so they shut up?" |
| 13:56.36 | sylvanaar | yes |
| 13:56.47 | sylvanaar | right |
| 13:56.55 | Mirrormn | I'm cynical, but not that cynical |
| 13:57.00 | airtonix | i am |
| 13:57.02 | airtonix | and more |
| 13:57.07 | Mirrormn | never attribute to malice what could be attributed to stupidity =/ |
| 13:57.19 | sylvanaar | we traded freedom for security after 9/11, and people are just now realizing it |
| 13:57.32 | Nobgul | I dunno |
| 13:57.38 | Mirrormn | we traded freedom for the illusion of security |
| 13:57.40 | Humbedooh | "security".. |
| 13:57.46 | Mirrormn | and people are just now realizing it's mostly illusion |
| 13:57.47 | Lopeppeppy | Mirrormn, is that a different version of Occam's Razor? |
| 13:57.56 | Mirrormn | yeah |
| 13:57.57 | sylvanaar | you have to quote both words then |
| 13:58.02 | Nobgul | Mirrormn: I agree. it is the apperence of security. |
| 13:58.03 | Lopeppeppy | Those who give up their freedom do not deserve it. |
| 13:58.05 | Shirik | There is a solution |
| 13:58.10 | Shirik | Get your own plane |
| 13:58.12 | Mirrormn | Security Theater, as they call it |
| 13:58.17 | sylvanaar | no that doesnt work |
| 13:58.27 | Shirik | If people had as many planes as cars we might be better off |
| 13:58.32 | sylvanaar | didnt you see the steve jobs / japan thing |
| 13:58.36 | Mirrormn | you can't run an airline without using tsa-mandated security procedures, that's the whole problem |
| 13:58.46 | Humbedooh | funny thing...in Israel, there's no body scanners or pat-downs in the airport :> |
| 13:58.52 | Shirik | I choose not to listen to steve jobs, linus torvalds, or other ignorant pricks |
| 13:58.52 | Humbedooh | unless you're evil |
| 13:59.03 | airtonix | Humbedooh, lol |
| 13:59.11 | sylvanaar | by the time you get to the airport in isreal you have been screened several times |
| 13:59.11 | airtonix | NOW THATS CYNICAL |
| 13:59.15 | Humbedooh | airtonix: it's true :> |
| 13:59.19 | airtonix | i know |
| 13:59.42 | Humbedooh | makes traveling much faster |
| 13:59.46 | airtonix | "love for us, hate for them" a maxim from the Nazis Elite |
| 13:59.49 | Shirik | my favorite was the military guy that was bringing his gun on a plane |
| 13:59.54 | sylvanaar | their airline's security service have investigated you |
| 14:00.04 | Humbedooh | correct |
| 14:00.04 | Shirik | TSA forced him to give up his nail clipper |
| 14:00.29 | Shirik | apparently the gun is not dangerous because there are no bullets |
| 14:00.31 | Shirik | but that nail clipper |
| 14:00.36 | sylvanaar | TSA forced one woman to remove her prosthetic breast |
| 14:00.37 | Shirik | damn you can cause some havoc with that thing |
| 14:00.47 | Mirrormn | I woke up too early, GSL VoDs aren't up yet :< |
| 14:00.54 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, that story is apparently urban legend, as nail clippers don't get confiscated... |
| 14:00.56 | airtonix | lol ? |
| 14:01.02 | Shirik | maybe I got it wrong |
| 14:01.05 | Shirik | but it was in the news |
| 14:01.08 | Shirik | let me find it |
| 14:01.16 | airtonix | inb4 it must be true! |
| 14:01.16 | Maldivia | Lopeppeppy: there are a lot of things that shouldn't get confiscated, they do anyway |
| 14:01.23 | Lopeppeppy | No one says the news can't cover urban legends too. *gentle shrug* |
| 14:01.41 | Lopeppeppy | Or that sometimes TSA agents confiscate random shit, even if they aren't supposed to... *ponders that* |
| 14:01.46 | airtonix | Fisker, BOOMHEADSHOT! |
| 14:01.59 | sylvanaar | yeah, and thanks for taking all my deoderant and forcing me to pay the airline $25 so i can check stupid shit you wont allow on |
| 14:02.01 | Lopeppeppy | They put shit into people's bags in order to harass them, why not confiscate things randomly to harass them? |
| 14:02.06 | Maldivia | (ohh, nice perfume) "Sorry Maam, you can't bring that onboard"... |
| 14:02.24 | Lopeppeppy | sylvanaar, I'm mailing my toiletries ahead of me, not even trying to bring them. |
| 14:02.57 | Shirik | I guess this is the original "source" http://www.redstate.com/erick/2010/11/18/another-tsa-outrage/ |
| 14:03.02 | sylvanaar | i used to check them but now the airlines caught on and realized they could gouge you - that is such a racket |
| 14:03.06 | Shirik | Feel free to trust it at your own discretion |
| 14:03.23 | sylvanaar | redstate.com - already biased |
| 14:03.28 | Lopeppeppy | So it's someone publishing a story someone told them, not something a reporter actually witnessed... |
| 14:03.40 | airtonix | Fisker, fuck you and your dog! where did you pull those other feral ghoul reavers from! |
| 14:03.44 | airtonix | is dead |
| 14:03.50 | Nobgul | hehe |
| 14:04.08 | sylvanaar | i get my TSA news from the Mac biased daringfireball.com |
| 14:04.16 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy: It's in the news |
| 14:04.20 | Shirik | I picked it up from the Times |
| 14:04.22 | Lopeppeppy | Isn't it sad that no one can trust anything anymore? |
| 14:04.22 | Shirik | I just can't find it right now |
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| 14:05.13 | Shirik | ok seriously, nap time |
| 14:05.13 | Shirik | bai |
| 14:05.14 | sylvanaar | http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13534628 |
| 14:05.15 | Nobgul | there is a atricle in today's newspaper. I threw it away already without reading. |
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| 14:05.31 | airtonix | YEABOI, love the mentats + turbo |
| 14:05.32 | krka | just buy new toiletries when you get there :P |
| 14:05.35 | sylvanaar | hey, daringfireball has http://www.redstate.com/erick/2010/11/18/another-tsa-outrage/ too |
| 14:05.37 | angayelle | hai peoplez |
| 14:05.58 | Nobgul | Tsa cheif says screenings are minimally invasive. |
| 14:06.18 | sylvanaar | he should post screens of himself on the internet |
| 14:06.31 | sylvanaar | in full detail |
| 14:06.51 | sylvanaar | that'd help calm people down (lol) |
| 14:06.51 | Nobgul | I really don't see the big deal wtih the body scanners. But that's just me personally. |
| 14:07.14 | airtonix | says the supermutant |
| 14:07.16 | krka | everyone should just get nude when passing through security |
| 14:07.19 | krka | much cheaper solution |
| 14:07.20 | Humbedooh | it's the principle of it :> |
| 14:07.22 | Lopeppeppy | Any radiation is too much, Nobgul. If it isn't for a medical purpose, I'm not sticking it in my body. |
| 14:07.28 | Maldivia | Nobgul: and those looking at the monitor of your body scan didn't see a "big deal" either :) |
| 14:07.30 | Lopeppeppy | And I've even declined some for medical purposes, so there. |
| 14:07.34 | Fisker | :( airtonix |
| 14:07.39 | Fisker | Blizzard fixed my exploits |
| 14:07.44 | airtonix | Fisker, I BEAT YOU AND YOUR GHOULS |
| 14:07.48 | Nobgul | Maldivia: they prob died from looking =P |
| 14:07.57 | krka | i'm waiting for the first nudist terrorist attack |
| 14:08.08 | krka | _then_ we'll talk invasive security actions |
| 14:08.10 | sylvanaar | i wonder how much radiation exposure it is compared to the additional radiation exposure from flying itself |
| 14:08.28 | Nobgul | I am not saying that te body scrrenings are for everyone. Without a doubt there should be a opt out option of some sort. With reason. |
| 14:08.57 | sylvanaar | "with reason" makes it subjective |
| 14:09.01 | krka | not all radiation is comparable though |
| 14:09.12 | Nobgul | sylvanaar, life is subjective |
| 14:09.24 | sylvanaar | yes but subjectivity is objective |
| 14:09.36 | Lopeppeppy | sylvanaar, anything I don't want is unreasonable, IMO. :) |
| 14:09.51 | Nobgul | Eh |
| 14:09.52 | Maldivia | sylvanaar: http://www.hps.org/publicinformation/ate/q444.html |
| 14:10.38 | Nobgul | I guess there ia always walking or driving. |
| 14:10.41 | Nobgul | is* |
| 14:11.05 | Nobgul | I have had this minecraft page open for 2 days and still haven't played yet. |
| 14:11.16 | sylvanaar | so for a 3 hour flight lets call it 10 uSv |
| 14:11.28 | sylvanaar | now what is the TSA screener |
| 14:11.58 | Maldivia | around 0.05-0.1µSv/scan |
| 14:13.02 | Fisker | http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/fotostrecke-61849-2.html <- i lol'd |
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| 14:13.17 | krka | but then again, the mere existance of the scanners reduces peoples flying habits, so it's a net reduction! |
| 14:13.34 | sylvanaar | apparently this is all on wikipedia alrady |
| 14:13.40 | sylvanaar | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backscatter_X-ray |
| 14:14.10 | krka | but yeah, if you dont like radiation, stay away from flying in the first palce |
| 14:14.12 | krka | *place |
| 14:14.29 | Maldivia | now, what's the radioation of carrying a cell phone on you for 15h/day ? |
| 14:14.47 | sylvanaar | thats not x-ray radiation though |
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| 14:15.29 | krka | i for one welcome our new radioactive overlords |
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| 14:15.56 | Adys | overlord* |
| 14:15.57 | sylvanaar | sure it gives me cancer - but look at this screen |
| 14:16.04 | sylvanaar | its pretty |
| 14:16.06 | Adys | just because it has 16 heads doesn't mean you should pluralize him |
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| 14:16.41 | krka | and just because it has 16 penises doesn't mean you should call it "him" |
| 14:16.51 | Adys | tell that to Fisker |
| 14:16.55 | Fisker | why doesn't anyone want to see my link with the nude man in a trunk? |
| 14:17.00 | Maldivia | sounds like a small party |
| 14:17.01 | sylvanaar | im not sure what you would call that krka |
| 14:17.30 | sylvanaar | Fisker: did you get in with him? |
| 14:17.45 | Fisker | i don't even know him |
| 14:17.57 | sylvanaar | thats not an aswer |
| 14:18.07 | sylvanaar | s/as/ans/ |
| 14:18.15 | Fisker | the answer is no sylvanaar |
| 14:22.39 | Mirrormn | you know fiser once killed a man |
| 14:22.57 | Lopeppeppy | So he tells us. |
| 14:24.03 | Nobgul | So everyone happy for the patch? |
| 14:24.27 | Therzok__ | which? |
| 14:24.29 | Lopeppeppy | Argh! |
| 14:24.30 | Therzok__ | content patch? |
| 14:24.31 | Therzok__ | naaah. |
| 14:24.38 | Therzok__ | just gonna be the same old thing again. |
| 14:24.39 | Nobgul | The shattering tommorow |
| 14:24.41 | Lopeppeppy | No more frellin' patches! I can't keep up anymore. |
| 14:25.05 | Nobgul | All i know is my mage will once again become my most used toon. With the stupid portals being gone. |
| 14:25.24 | Therzok__ | Nobgul, LOLOL MONEY MAKING MACHINE. |
| 14:25.34 | Nobgul | Therzok__: =( |
| 14:25.40 | Nobgul | I don't need gold though lol |
| 14:25.57 | Therzok__ | You need Valor Points. |
| 14:25.57 | Therzok__ | :O |
| 14:26.16 | Nobgul | we have 164k gold. We are set for cata. |
| 14:26.21 | Therzok__ | <,< |
| 14:26.28 | Therzok__ | farming machine! >:( |
| 14:26.30 | Kraps | playing a mage just because of portals is kinda meh |
| 14:26.41 | Nobgul | Yer, ill still play my druid. |
| 14:26.54 | Fisker | what about a naked guy in a trunk Lopeppeppy ? |
| 14:26.55 | Nobgul | Just gonna suck getting around. I am not sure i rmember how to get around lol |
| 14:27.07 | Therzok__ | I hope hunters don't get nerfbat again, just like they did in every patch. |
| 14:27.10 | Nobgul | Ah wait. Nvm cata flying. |
| 14:27.16 | Nobgul | Therzok__ they did >_< |
| 14:27.23 | Therzok__ | wait, what? |
| 14:27.28 | Therzok__ | nothing on MMO-Champ about it. |
| 14:27.33 | Nobgul | 1 sec ill post it |
| 14:28.38 | Nobgul | All special attacks based on weapon damage (except Scattershot) have had the damage reduced by %30 |
| 14:28.50 | Therzok__ | :/ |
| 14:28.56 | Nobgul | lol im just messin with you |
| 14:29.13 | Therzok__ | You know, I put ";/" because of the bad grammar. |
| 14:29.15 | Nobgul | My hunter was my fav for a while. But then we did get hit with the nerfbat |
| 14:29.17 | Therzok__ | have had the damage? |
| 14:29.17 | Therzok__ | xD |
| 14:29.54 | Nobgul | The Core Hound pet ability Ancient Hysteria now places its own unique debuff on affected players that has the same effect as Sated and Exhaustion. |
| 14:30.21 | Nobgul | I had to read that twice. For a moment i thought we could have 2 lusts =P |
| 14:30.39 | Nobgul | And my fav one. |
| 14:30.40 | Nobgul | Glyph of the Treant (new) allows druids to keep the original treant Tree of Life look... if they must. Must they? |
| 14:31.18 | Therzok__ | man |
| 14:31.29 | Therzok__ | Glyph of the Hunter. |
| 14:31.37 | Therzok__ | Makes you shoot through deterrence. |
| 14:31.56 | Therzok__ | mad skills imo |
| 14:32.00 | Kraps | Therzok__: i can has damage? |
| 14:32.18 | Therzok__ | If you're not naughty, yes. ;D |
| 14:32.19 | Nobgul | lol |
| 14:32.25 | Kraps | yay! |
| 14:32.48 | Kraps | 4.0.3a is this week btw |
| 14:32.49 | Therzok__ | Great. |
| 14:33.02 | Therzok__ | Tauren DK can't go through UC doors while mounted. |
| 14:33.13 | Therzok__ | terrific |
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| 14:35.16 | Nobgul | Kraps: >_< |
| 14:35.36 | Kraps | y so >_< Nobgul |
| 14:35.59 | Nobgul | That's what we were talking about =P |
| 14:36.01 | Nobgul | Alchemy recipes now require Crystal Vials. Deathwing broke all the others because he's mean (or because he didn't want alchemists to carry 5 different vials around with them). |
| 14:36.03 | Nobgul | ^ hehe |
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| 14:36.29 | Nobgul | blizz is funny sometimes. |
| 14:37.12 | Lopeppeppy | Wow. Low level alchemy now requires expensive vials? That's... damn painful. |
| 14:38.53 | Nobgul | I see tons of people race changing to troll druids |
| 14:39.02 | ZorbaBeta | it wouldn't surprise me if they just made crystal vials cheap. |
| 14:39.03 | sylvanaar | the vials should change with your skill |
| 14:39.08 | Lopeppeppy | Gnomish priestess!!! |
| 14:39.19 | Nobgul | Hey i can have my cow priest now! |
| 14:39.23 | Lopeppeppy | Either what Zorba said, or what synvanaar said... |
| 14:39.43 | Kraps | "Baby now you know how much it hurts when I caught you in the act wearin nothing but a little smirk" |
| 14:39.49 | ZorbaBeta | also, oh man, the wow api is weird |
| 14:39.57 | ZorbaBeta | you can't mail things if the "send mail" pane in the mailbox isn't open |
| 14:40.06 | Nobgul | You mean now as apposed to previous or just in general lol |
| 14:40.16 | sylvanaar | and maybe the vial gives a bit of a buff also to the pot |
| 14:40.22 | ZorbaBeta | that includes having the "inbox" pane open. it just doesn't work. you can load all your items up, it just won't send. |
| 14:40.32 | sylvanaar | that wouls be awesome to make lower level pots more useful |
| 14:40.44 | ZorbaBeta | of course, you can just change to the "send mail" pane in your addon. so it's not mod protection. it's just strange. |
| 14:41.57 | sylvanaar | but yeah cheap vials is easier to implmenet - youd guess they'd go that way |
| 14:42.41 | Nobgul | I like the scaling based on level or skill idea. |
| 14:42.46 | sylvanaar | me too |
| 14:43.16 | Nobgul | It has to be something like that. I cant see a new person to wow buying a 5 pack of vials for 4 gold. |
| 14:43.39 | sylvanaar | i hate all the usless stuff in my recipe lists |
| 14:44.35 | Nobgul | Some of it sells real well on my server. |
| 14:44.44 | Nobgul | Not really sure why but i dont' question it. |
| 14:44.45 | sylvanaar | do any of the professions mods let you group the lists by skill level - master grandmaster etc, and collapse the groups |
| 14:44.50 | Kraps | i didnt know this was in production http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V-22_Osprey#Recent_development |
| 14:44.52 | Nobgul | Yea. |
| 14:44.59 | Nobgul | fizwigits or something |
| 14:45.54 | Nobgul | err |
| 14:45.58 | Nobgul | lil sparkys err |
| 14:47.12 | Nobgul | it's lilsparky and skillet. its the only 2 profession mods in my addon folder atm |
| 14:47.13 | Kraps | mortal strike is lowered to 10% wow |
| 14:47.22 | Nobgul | Warriors were op anyway |
| 14:47.27 | Nobgul | They need to nerf howling blast |
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| 14:48.44 | dardack | FML patch 4.0.3a this week, last mim's head went for 260k and dude was willing to go to 300k, knew i shoulda farmed a ton more, only had 255 |
| 14:48.58 | Nobgul | >_< |
| 14:49.18 | Nobgul | it's still there just a lower drop. |
| 14:49.30 | Nobgul | I don't see the bid pricing going up imho. |
| 14:49.38 | dardack | yea like ashes, my point nob i'ts not 100% |
| 14:49.45 | ZorbaBeta | much lower. you can expect to see approximately one every two years. |
| 14:49.50 | Nobgul | lol |
| 14:50.05 | dardack | and someone won who was willing to sell, what sorba said, and another point now that's it's not 100% hard to get people to go |
| 14:50.38 | Nobgul | Ulduar isn't exactly hard. And hasn't been in quite some time. |
| 14:50.38 | ZorbaBeta | the groups I know that farm the Ashes generally do it with /roll |
| 14:50.56 | Nobgul | Mine was given to me. |
| 14:50.58 | dardack | i farm it LFG in t rade an d offer 5k per person if it drops |
| 14:51.05 | dardack | ashes tat is |
| 14:51.14 | ZorbaBeta | so if you can get yoggy down with five people - and I don't know if that will be possible - then you'd be looking at getting one by approximately 2020. |
| 14:51.16 | Nobgul | 0_o |
| 14:51.45 | Nobgul | I think that is a bit off. |
| 14:52.02 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, it's actually a bit early. it assumes people who have one will keep farming |
| 14:52.05 | ZorbaBeta | which of course isn't the case |
| 14:52.13 | Nobgul | It's still rng |
| 14:52.18 | ZorbaBeta | hmm, actually, maybe it doesn't |
| 14:52.31 | ZorbaBeta | sure, but I'm talking about the approximate expected point. |
| 14:52.43 | ZorbaBeta | on average, this is the point where you'd have one. |
| 14:53.06 | Nobgul | >_< |
| 14:53.25 | ZorbaBeta | ends up being about a 63% chance of getting at least one, as I remember. |
| 14:53.51 | Nobgul | Well it depends. we have to remember that we are talking about Blizzard time. And the tempral time warp the operate in. |
| 14:54.13 | Nobgul | Hrmm i need sleep my spelling has gone bad. =P |
| 14:57.08 | dardack | last shot at tiger today |
| 14:57.10 | dardack | sigh |
| 14:57.53 | dardack | least i got herald/immortal this week |
| 14:58.33 | Fisker | sits on top of his flying skeletal-ish horse |
| 14:59.05 | Kraps | Fisker: gief plz |
| 14:59.16 | Fisker | no Kraps |
| 14:59.20 | Kraps | :( |
| 14:59.43 | dardack | dk one, icc 10 meta 1 or icc25 meta one? |
| 15:00.05 | dardack | you know what's sad we have 1 invicible on my server, from an xfer off and back on again |
| 15:01.40 | Fisker | dardack none of those fit the description |
| 15:01.46 | Fisker | so it's obviously Invincible |
| 15:01.55 | dardack | oh horse |
| 15:01.57 | dardack | i can't read |
| 15:02.01 | dardack | and grats to you |
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| 15:05.00 | angayelle | i has 1 too |
| 15:05.17 | angayelle | AH ! |
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| 15:27.44 | Syncness | Well, everytime I can't find an addon, I come here, lol |
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| 15:27.54 | dardack | ok |
| 15:28.01 | Syncness | Anyone know of an addon to add values to stats on gear? like EP sorta thing |
| 15:28.13 | dardack | pawn |
| 15:28.16 | dardack | if it's still updated |
| 15:28.30 | Syncness | thanks |
| 15:29.28 | Syncness | WIN |
| 15:29.28 | Syncness | THANKS |
| 15:32.18 | dardack | np |
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| 15:42.00 | Kraps | Lopeppeppy: according to wowhead, Crystal Vials will cost 1 silver |
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| 15:44.33 | Kraps | but they're only in dalaran? |
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| 15:48.18 | angayelle | i've refined my haste formula for dots, build a table in which i put all the spell haste % modifiers like black magic procs, moonkin aura and such, unfortunately wowhead doesn't filter spells with Apply Aura: Mod Spell Haste % |
| 15:48.54 | angayelle | relying on reading combat log event to know the intervall between dots give results skewed by latency, i have noticed |
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| 15:51.09 | angayelle | buffs which increase casting speed don't affect dots like heroism, there are a lot like that but i wanna be sure i don't miss one |
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| 15:54.55 | Kraps | "Worgen hunters are currently unable to learn Dual Wield." |
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| 15:57.28 | nevcairiel | thats probably the patch notes from last beta, which was hopefully fixed in between :d |
| 15:57.37 | nevcairiel | or will be fixed until worgens are avail :p |
| 15:57.37 | angayelle | how do you fire a gun with a paw btw ? |
| 15:57.54 | nevcairiel | how do you fire a gun with a hoof? |
| 15:57.56 | nevcairiel | yet, tauren manage |
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| 15:58.13 | Maldivia | really big triggers |
| 15:58.17 | angayelle | this is completely illogical |
| 15:58.28 | sylvanaar_work | take off the trigger guard |
| 15:58.54 | sylvanaar_work | then strap gun to arm |
| 15:59.07 | nicoli_s | well that was fun, found out the reason i couldnt see the terrain past 2 tiles in my game is because of the phone emulator cutting off the screen |
| 15:59.10 | Maldivia | how do you hold anything with a hoof for that natter |
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| 15:59.28 | sylvanaar_work | strap to arm |
| 15:59.39 | sylvanaar_work | requires assistance |
| 15:59.41 | angayelle | pirate hook ftw |
| 15:59.57 | krka | like buster! |
| 16:00.49 | Lopeppeppy | I just love me a campus-wide outage! |
| 16:01.50 | Maldivia | battery and 3g modem then |
| 16:04.31 | angayelle | troll beserking add a % to spell haste ? as now it's reported as Apply Aura: Decrease Attack Speed % |
| 16:04.41 | angayelle | does it apply to dots ? |
| 16:06.44 | Maldivia | pop it, and see what the paperdoll screen says |
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| 16:08.54 | angayelle | i have no troll unfortunately |
| 16:09.20 | angayelle | and create a lvl 1 won't tell cause i need dots |
| 16:09.50 | Maldivia | you can still ser if spell haste increaaes on yhe paperdoll |
| 16:11.20 | Kraps | yeah GFWL sucks |
| 16:11.43 | Legorol | GFWL? Girlfriend working late? I agree that sucks |
| 16:12.31 | Kraps | ... |
| 16:13.03 | Legorol | what is it then |
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| 16:13.17 | Kraps | games for windows live |
| 16:13.19 | Maldivia | games for win? |
| 16:13.24 | Maldivia | ik :) |
| 16:13.24 | A-KO | GFWL fucking blows |
| 16:13.30 | A-KO | it auto tried to install my games to my C: drive |
| 16:13.31 | A-KO | my SSD |
| 16:13.34 | A-KO | rather than my D: drive |
| 16:13.38 | A-KO | same with caching, etc. |
| 16:13.39 | A-KO | it's dumb |
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| 16:14.09 | Maldivia | age of empures 3 for $0.10? |
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| 16:14.22 | Lopeppeppy | your first hit is free.... |
| 16:14.44 | Maldivia | wasn't that the bih sell this weekend |
| 16:15.08 | Kraps | Maldivia: I CANT FIND THE KEY TO INSTALL IT |
| 16:15.22 | Maldivia | lol |
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| 16:16.17 | Maldivia | i like that I should log on to the xbox site to accept agreement there to use gfwl |
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| 16:18.48 | Kraps | halp |
| 16:20.28 | alestane | http://www.gocomics.com/doonesbury/2010/11/22/ |
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| 16:38.31 | sylvanaar_work | im trying to translate VSS concepts to more modern terminology. Anyone familiar with VSS? |
| 16:38.38 | Kraps | http://kotaku.com/comment/32889022/ |
| 16:39.09 | industrial | meh 3d games |
| 16:39.42 | Maldivia | vss.. visual source safe ? |
| 16:39.47 | sylvanaar_work | yes |
| 16:40.07 | Cide | wait |
| 16:40.11 | Cide | aoe 3 was .10 cents? |
| 16:40.21 | Maldivia | yeah, yesterday |
| 16:40.26 | Ackis | Cide: 10 cents or 10 MS points |
| 16:40.27 | Cide | why did nobody tell me |
| 16:40.28 | sylvanaar_work | it uses 2 concepts "labels" and "pins" |
| 16:40.30 | Ackis | with all the expansions |
| 16:40.33 | Cide | why did nobody tell me |
| 16:40.45 | Cide | Kraps was all like "should I buy aoe 3?" |
| 16:40.53 | Cide | to which the answer was "hell yes if it's .10 cents moron" |
| 16:41.13 | sylvanaar_work | its seems like pins = tags, and labels = branches |
| 16:41.19 | sylvanaar_work | roughly |
| 16:41.22 | Kraps | Cide: werent you the one who posted about is originally? |
| 16:41.24 | Ackis | A-KO: it installing on your C drive is user error, mine works perfectly and installs to my e: :P |
| 16:41.26 | Cide | no |
| 16:41.27 | Kraps | it* |
| 16:41.31 | Kraps | hmm |
| 16:41.33 | Ackis | Kraps: I think I was |
| 16:41.38 | Kraps | k |
| 16:41.40 | Cide | damn you all |
| 16:41.45 | Cide | can't rely on you to help me in times of need |
| 16:41.51 | Maldivia | sylvan, from what i rwmenber, that's seems right |
| 16:41.58 | Kraps | cookie? |
| 16:42.24 | Maldivia | no, EU has anti-cookie laws |
| 16:42.28 | A-KO | Does anyone here have a good hex editor for Windows? |
| 16:42.29 | A-KO | freeware? |
| 16:42.38 | Cide | 010 editor is great but not freeware |
| 16:42.44 | Ackis | notepad++ can get a hex editor plugin |
| 16:42.46 | Cide | but it's shareware if you feel like it |
| 16:43.09 | Maldivia | np++ hexedit is slow as hell though |
| 16:43.43 | Maldivia | ultraedit us still my favorite for large files and hex |
| 16:44.05 | sylvanaar_work | Maldivia: i gave up ultraedit and switched to editpadpro |
| 16:44.06 | aX0rZ | vim? |
| 16:44.08 | aX0rZ | *troll* |
| 16:44.47 | Maldivia | vim is not very good at hex editing :) |
| 16:45.03 | Cide | it is if your mind is in base 16 |
| 16:45.38 | Maldivia | sylvanaar, hnm ok, never found an editor that handled large files as well as ue |
| 16:46.20 | sylvanaar_work | Maldivia: do you have a lifetime license? |
| 16:46.45 | Maldivia | no, just havent upgraded to bever versions |
| 16:47.25 | sylvanaar_work | they need to put in proper regex support, they made a partial effort but it just doesnt cut it |
| 16:47.36 | sylvanaar_work | compared to EPP |
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| 16:50.15 | Jamash | mc can hex edit |
| 16:51.20 | Jamash | or is that only a hex viewer, hmm |
| 16:52.17 | Maldivia | sylvanaar: hmm, I find the regex in it good enouogh (after you change it to perl style, ofcourse) |
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| 16:52.28 | Lunessa | station |
| 16:52.47 | Jamash | space |
| 16:53.34 | sylvanaar_work | Maldivia: yeah, i guess. im spoiled by epp's. |
| 16:54.00 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Lunessa. Happy pre-vacation crush week. |
| 16:54.13 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: Seriously. |
| 16:54.32 | Maldivia | sylvanaar: what in particular are you after (must say, that I mostly just use ultraedit these days for hex editing and large files) |
| 16:54.33 | Lopeppeppy | We've had two outages today, one campus-wide. *nod* |
| 16:54.57 | Maldivia | Lopeppeppy: didn't I mention batteries and 3G dongle? |
| 16:55.55 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: Half the techs are taking vacation through this week, one of the server admins, network admins, and I'm not looking forward to needing them and they're not here. |
| 16:56.11 | sylvanaar_work | i use regexes alot, and the larger files i have are logs so i need to have a nice "show me all the lines" functionality |
| 16:56.22 | sylvanaar_work | UE's puts it in a different window |
| 16:56.30 | sylvanaar_work | which is suboptimal |
| 16:58.03 | Lopeppeppy | I will sacrifice a few cranberries to the cosmic goat, in prayer that you not need them, Lunessa. |
| 16:58.20 | sylvanaar_work | im just now trying the latest UE. they enhanced the UI alot |
| 16:58.44 | Maldivia | sylvanaar: so you rather like for instance the way chome shows it, where it shows a colored line on the scrollbar to indicate where your search results are? |
| 16:59.15 | sylvanaar_work | no, really i like collapse to show only the lines of interest |
| 16:59.26 | Maldivia | ahh ok, that way |
| 17:05.06 | Adys | Where are the bountiful tables in TB? |
| 17:05.41 | nevcairiel | next to the elevator on the south west, note that they don't spawn when there is an invasion going on |
| 17:06.28 | Adys | thanks |
| 17:06.29 | nevcairiel | (on the ground in mulgor, not up in the city) |
| 17:06.36 | Adys | yup found em |
| 17:08.49 | Maldivia | ohh yeah, better start tripping on those rifts, while I still can |
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| 17:09.27 | nevcairiel | oh right, that shit finally ends too |
| 17:09.45 | nevcairiel | why do freaking flight master npcs despawn, thats just annoying |
| 17:10.06 | nevcairiel | the zombies were more fun |
| 17:10.06 | alestane | Oh, during the invasion? |
| 17:10.25 | Adys | the invasion has a lot of plain annoyances |
| 17:10.41 | Adys | like the fact they fucking kill quest mobs. |
| 17:11.26 | alestane | It's also temporary. |
| 17:11.46 | Adys | temporary annoyances are still annoyances |
| 17:11.56 | nevcairiel | it always happens when i need something in a city =P |
| 17:12.03 | alestane | But yeah, I don't thin they wanted this to be something you can ignore...it's the end of the world as you know it, not a late bus. |
| 17:12.15 | Adys | there are other ways to :P |
| 17:12.20 | nevcairiel | i can ignore it by going to darnassus to auction stuff |
| 17:12.28 | Ackis | maybe they shouldn't have ended the world... |
| 17:13.03 | cog|work | OHAI |
| 17:13.10 | alestane | Oh no, you might have to down five minutes down the road to buy your reagents. |
| 17:13.33 | durcyn | it's over in a day anyway, go take your blood pressure medication and relax |
| 17:13.46 | alestane | cog|work += 1/YEAR |
| 17:13.52 | nevcairiel | just saying that the event wasnt much fun |
| 17:13.58 | alestane | Has anyone come out and given that date? |
| 17:14.02 | nevcairiel | the first time doing it, it was fun. After that, i didnt participate |
| 17:14.29 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, cog'o'doom! |
| 17:14.50 | Ackis | nevcairiel: no one is participating in it anymore |
| 17:15.17 | Adys | "I'm not crazy. I like to think myself as 'dedicated'." |
| 17:15.37 | A-KO | http://lolsnaps.com/upload_images/real/757.jpg |
| 17:15.53 | Lopeppeppy | I'm both crazy and dedicated. |
| 17:16.18 | Adys | A-KO: Now i need a gun |
| 17:16.25 | Lopeppeppy | I am not, however, as crazy as the nutjob A-KO linked. |
| 17:17.24 | Lunessa | For giggles I was following the Scepter of the Sands line last night - just to see how far I could get. I finished the green section, and most of the blue section that could be done without redoing Molten Core (already cleared this week) - too bad the quest lines go poof soon. |
| 17:19.17 | Lopeppeppy | That sounds like fun. |
| 17:19.31 | Lunessa | I did manage to get the only Epic cooking recipe in the game.:) |
| 17:19.46 | alestane | Dirge's Kicking Chimaerok Chops? |
| 17:20.03 | alestane | That whole island is disappearing. |
| 17:20.05 | Lunessa | Oh yeah. Now you're cooking with Goblin Rocket Fuel! |
| 17:20.34 | angayelle | recipe will available by some other means in cata |
| 17:20.37 | Lunessa | Pretty much good riddance. |
| 17:20.55 | Lunessa | Worst spawn timer and drop rates ever. |
| 17:21.22 | nevcairiel | they spawned fast enough for soloing on lvl 70 |
| 17:21.40 | nevcairiel | not fast enough for group killing at 60 |
| 17:22.33 | Lunessa | Not fast enough for soloing at 80. I had time to go to BRD (via my mole machine) and smelt dark iron and then fly back before they started respawning. |
| 17:22.47 | Lopeppeppy | Damn. That's slow spawning. |
| 17:22.55 | Lunessa | I had to clear the island 4 times to get the needed meat for the quest too. |
| 17:23.01 | alestane | I need to get the ZG achievement ASAP, I guess. I finished the dungeon during vanilla, but never got any loot, so it didn't give me the achievement. |
| 17:23.35 | nevcairiel | a bunch of hours left :D |
| 17:23.49 | alestane | WHere is this announcement? |
| 17:23.51 | Lunessa | You can solo pretty much the whole place - except maybe the tiger boss. |
| 17:24.02 | nevcairiel | the tiger is so damn annoying |
| 17:24.04 | Jamash | guess I should hit up ZG one last time :-/ |
| 17:24.16 | Lunessa | So annoying and NEVER DROPPED MY MOUNT. |
| 17:24.23 | alestane | The tiger is hard, but I'm a warlock...AoE is my business. |
| 17:24.33 | Jamash | pfft, aoe |
| 17:24.34 | durcyn | how is it hard |
| 17:24.48 | durcyn | spec demo, pop meta, immolation aura, felstorm, collect loot |
| 17:24.55 | Jamash | my worm can solo the tiger bosses |
| 17:25.22 | Lunessa | durcyn: I was doing it as an enhancement shaman. I had to kill the damned adds 4 times. |
| 17:25.55 | durcyn | Lunessa: you have an interrupt, how is that even a problem |
| 17:26.15 | Lunessa | durcyn: Because the rez in not interruptable. |
| 17:26.24 | durcyn | the heal is, everything else is timing |
| 17:26.59 | Lunessa | Still, even doing 7-8K dps solo, it was just easier to make my brother login and help. |
| 17:28.36 | Legorol | Lunessa: the way to do it solo is to alternate between the mobs, make sure their healthbars are always about the same. Set focus to Lor'khan and interrupt (it's long cast time on the heal). |
| 17:28.54 | Legorol | The res time is something like 10 seconds, so if you were keeping the HPs even, you can finish the other two easily even if one dies. |
| 17:29.10 | Lunessa | *nod* Maybe I'll go hill him for the umpteenth time tonight then. |
| 17:29.24 | Lunessa | Kill, not hill. /sigh |
| 17:29.25 | nevcairiel | those damn mobs kick, stun and silence you |
| 17:29.31 | nevcairiel | was really annoying as moonkin |
| 17:29.49 | Lopeppeppy | Hilling him would be... interesting too. |
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| 17:42.18 | Kraps | $12.99 a pie and the 6th is free! |
| 17:46.47 | olafski | I'll have 12 then! |
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| 17:50.26 | Lunessa | Pie, what kind of pie? |
| 17:51.04 | syrae | mmm pieeee |
| 17:51.23 | Lopeppeppy | Coconut chocolate cheesecake! |
| 17:51.47 | Lunessa | now I want pie. |
| 17:52.04 | Kraps | pizza avtually |
| 17:52.35 | alestane | http://owni.fr/files/2010/10/pub_vintage_031.jpg ...oi. |
| 17:52.42 | Lunessa | Well, I don't want pizza at the moment. |
| 17:53.22 | Lopeppeppy | Yes, wrap the nasty squally things in plastic! Best solution EV-AR! |
| 17:54.28 | alestane | From http://owni.eu/2010/11/08/top-48-ads-that-would-never-be-allowed-today/ |
| 17:54.56 | alestane | Warning: It starts with the sexism section...you may be overtaken with the desire to do murder if you start reading. |
| 17:55.21 | Shirik | awakens |
| 17:55.28 | Kraps | http://owni.fr/files/2010/10/pub_vintage_033.jpg |
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| 17:56.12 | haste | feeds Shirik a sleeping pill. |
| 17:56.22 | Shirik | I wish |
| 17:56.39 | Kraps | stops himself from making a kitchen joke |
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| 17:58.44 | sylvanaar_work | Maldivia: the new version of UE has an in line "show me the lines" feature now |
| 17:58.54 | olafski | figured it was pizza.. 12 sounds good |
| 17:59.11 | olafski | I'mma order 4 pizzas on december 6th so they can cool off, cold pizza is easier to eat :D |
| 17:59.38 | nevcairiel | it also tastes like crap |
| 17:59.42 | olafski | says you |
| 17:59.59 | olafski | pizza always tastes great to me. warm or cold |
| 18:00.15 | olafski | well depends on the pizza I guess.. had one last week that tasted better cold than warm, not gonna order that one again |
| 18:00.19 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzMhh8zhTiY |
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| 18:03.28 | Mirrormn | did they turn the sound down on the launcher "Play" button? |
| 18:04.59 | TechDevout | Seems so. |
| 18:05.15 | TechDevout | It didn't blow my ears off after reinstalling Win, so I guess it's fine. |
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| 18:06.13 | Lunessa | Heh, maybe I should schedule a day or three off for the launch. |
| 18:06.38 | Mirrormn | l2beunemployed noob |
| 18:07.18 | Lunessa | I already have the 'winter holiday' break coming up, but I sort of DO want Server First in Blacksmithing. |
| 18:07.44 | Lopeppeppy | :) |
| 18:08.03 | syrae | Lunessa: don't forget to unlock Twilight Highlands vendors asap, then |
| 18:08.13 | Lunessa | syrae: I know. Right? |
| 18:08.24 | syrae | Lunessa: alliance or horde? |
| 18:08.28 | Lunessa | Alliance. |
| 18:08.36 | syrae | right.. Grounding Totem is alliance |
| 18:08.39 | syrae | I remember! |
| 18:08.44 | syrae | I swear! |
| 18:08.45 | syrae | Anyhow |
| 18:09.01 | syrae | Twilight Highlands FTW because of Flintlocke. <3 |
| 18:09.03 | Lunessa | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kirin+Tor&cn=Unkle |
| 18:09.08 | syrae | hehe |
| 18:09.35 | syrae | nice portrait |
| 18:09.49 | Lunessa | I wish the author of the comic was still doing more episodes. |
| 18:10.06 | syrae | Lunessa: he can't. He got hired by Blizzard. |
| 18:10.22 | syrae | But yeah, I miss Flintlocke comics |
| 18:10.25 | Lunessa | I was unaware of this fact. |
| 18:10.28 | syrae | Yar. |
| 18:10.34 | A-KO | iOS 4.2 is out for all you iphone/ipad owners |
| 18:11.10 | syrae | He stopped working for Gamespy and stopped doing the Horde Flintlocke comics because he was hired by Blizzard for creative writing/quest development department. |
| 18:11.29 | syrae | Which is why the Flintlocke in TH is TEH Flintlocke and not just an homage |
| 18:11.35 | Lunessa | Well, now we know why so many Flintlocke references are in the game. |
| 18:11.46 | syrae | :) |
| 18:12.01 | syrae | I think Fargo wrote all of the Flintlocke bits of TH |
| 18:12.16 | syrae | which is why it's so spot on win |
| 18:12.52 | syrae | And I only did enough of the zone to open the portal to SW. All the left of the zone is left unspoilt |
| 18:13.19 | syrae | also, I am debating getting a slice of chocolate cake from the break area. |
| 18:13.22 | syrae | mmm.... |
| 18:13.42 | syrae | Horrible cake-like breakfast or granola bar? |
| 18:14.00 | nevcairiel | how can anything involving a cake ever be horrible? |
| 18:14.23 | syrae | nevcairiel: it is bad if you want to lose weight. |
| 18:14.32 | syrae | or it is a bad cake |
| 18:14.52 | syrae | because bad cakes make all other cakes sad |
| 18:15.03 | Lunessa | I did all of Twilight Highlands. It's good stuff. |
| 18:15.09 | syrae | :) |
| 18:15.23 | syrae | My beta char is 84.97 or so. :P |
| 18:15.35 | syrae | I never bothered to do the 1-2 quests more needed to ding. |
| 18:15.36 | alestane | My toon is a turkey riding a griffin! |
| 18:15.44 | syrae | alestane: hah |
| 18:16.12 | alestane | I thought I was going to make it out of Dal unmolested, but someone turkeyed me at the moment I got on the griffin. |
| 18:16.29 | Jamash | take that, rogue! |
| 18:16.57 | alestane | It's a rough week to be a rogue. |
| 18:16.58 | angayelle | a mage here other than me ? |
| 18:17.00 | nevcairiel | that achievement sucks |
| 18:17.06 | nevcairiel | not only do you have to find all these rogues |
| 18:17.15 | nevcairiel | you also have to repeatedly do the damn dailys to get the gun |
| 18:17.25 | Lunessa | I have an 80 mage. And yes, I have to ignore the bajillion port requests every time I login. |
| 18:17.36 | syrae | I think Pilgrim's Bounty isn't require3d for the fast drake, right> |
| 18:17.41 | Jamash | yes, it is |
| 18:17.43 | nevcairiel | its not, no |
| 18:17.47 | Jamash | or wait |
| 18:17.49 | alestane | You can still stealth as a turkey. |
| 18:17.51 | Jamash | nvm >.> |
| 18:17.59 | nevcairiel | i already have the drake |
| 18:18.06 | nevcairiel | although i never used it |
| 18:18.13 | Jamash | why not? |
| 18:18.18 | syrae | I think Pilgrim's Bounty was added after the Meta achievement was, so it was never included for the meta achieve |
| 18:18.24 | nevcairiel | got a 310 before it, and the pink one is ugly |
| 18:18.28 | Jamash | boo |
| 18:18.29 | Jamash | I like it |
| 18:18.49 | nevcairiel | i usually ride around on horsemans mount these days |
| 18:18.55 | Shirik | On this day in history............... |
| 18:18.56 | Shirik | 1718 â Blackbeard the pirate was killed in battle by a boarding party of British sailors off the coast of North Carolina, ending his reign of terror in the Caribbean. |
| 18:18.59 | nevcairiel | or my arena nether drake |
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| 18:19.15 | angayelle | ehe i have a strange thing happening, i'm comparing LB dps and Combustion dps, as it sounded the second should be equal to the first when there is no other dots than LB, however i find a 14% difference betweeen the two that i cannot explain |
| 18:19.17 | Jamash | an ancestor of yours, Shirik? |
| 18:19.17 | Lunessa | It is ugly. And it took me forever to earn it. I used the ugly thing all the time. |
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| 18:19.23 | Shirik | negative |
| 18:19.25 | Shirik | I am a ninja |
| 18:19.38 | syrae | Shirik: I am also a Ninja. A Ninja of pants. |
| 18:19.39 | Jamash | of the McNinja clan? |
| 18:20.00 | angayelle | to get dps i take damage and divide it by the interval between two dots |
| 18:20.21 | Lunessa | syrae: So, there's all sorts of dirty ways that could be interpreted. |
| 18:20.23 | Jamash | . . |
| 18:20.55 | angayelle | for ex : 2000 damage in 1,5 secs would give 1333,33 dps |
| 18:21.14 | Jamash | with the exception of your communist decimal separator, yes |
| 18:21.14 | Mirrormn | angayelle: I have absolutely stopped trying to understand how combustion works |
| 18:21.21 | Mirrormn | it doesn't even seem to be consistent |
| 18:21.30 | Mirrormn | when you cast it with dots of the same strength |
| 18:21.59 | syrae | Lunessa: Yes, well, I draw a line at skirts, kilts, underwear, and certain types of shorts. |
| 18:22.15 | Lunessa | You won't ninja a kilt? |
| 18:22.27 | angayelle | well it seemed simple on the paper but real testing don't give the same, indeed |
| 18:22.29 | syrae | A kilt is not pants |
| 18:23.06 | Lunessa | So, what I guess you're saying is that a man in a kilt is safe? |
| 18:23.27 | Jamash | that really depends on your definition of safe |
| 18:24.10 | Jamash | for example, if Jennie Breeden is around with her leaf blower, I would rate you as not being safe |
| 18:25.52 | syrae | Lunessa: safe from pants ninjaing at least |
| 18:26.15 | Lunessa | *nod* I'll wear a kilt then. |
| 18:26.30 | syrae | Excellent |
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| 18:27.18 | Lopeppeppy | Can I watch? |
| 18:27.22 | Lunessa | alestane: http://textsfromlastnight.com/Text-Replies-22598.html |
| 18:27.27 | Jamash | is this some sort of pavlovian training? |
| 18:28.35 | Jamash | to encourage men to wear kilts? |
| 18:28.56 | alestane | Whether that would make me salivate rather depends on why she had her panties down in the first place. |
| 18:29.25 | Jamash | I mean the pants ninjaing, not the tfln link |
| 18:30.41 | Lunessa | alestane: I just thought it was funny. |
| 18:31.01 | alestane | Thereby hangs a tale, Lunessa, yes. |
| 18:31.19 | Lunessa | or in this case, tail? |
| 18:34.38 | Fisker | it's easy to criticize me, it's a little bit harder to shut up |
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| 18:40.27 | Ackis | are justice points being reset with 4.0.3a? |
| 18:40.36 | nevcairiel | no |
| 18:40.47 | nevcairiel | you can keep them to 85 |
| 18:40.52 | Ackis | wicked, honor too? |
| 18:40.59 | nevcairiel | guess so |
| 18:41.04 | nevcairiel | its both just the low-quality points |
| 18:41.37 | nevcairiel | both capped at 4000, though |
| 18:41.46 | Ackis | aye |
| 18:42.19 | olafski | so what does a typical item at lvl 85 cost then? |
| 18:42.21 | olafski | 10k? |
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| 18:42.48 | Fisker | most of them are 2,3k if i recall |
| 18:42.57 | Fisker | then some relics at like 900 |
| 18:44.03 | nevcairiel | olafski: it remains capped at 4k at 85, you figure out how much your assumption makes sense :p |
| 18:44.26 | nevcairiel | but yeah, you can basically buy one big and one small item |
| 18:45.05 | Caleb| | olafski http://cata.wowhead.com/items?filter=cr=174:166;crs=1:4;crv=0:0 |
| 18:45.05 | Lunessa | It doesn't take long to earn points to the cap either. |
| 18:45.33 | nevcairiel | oh the filter works on cata.wowhead.com now |
| 18:45.39 | nevcairiel | i tried last week or so, then it didnt |
| 18:48.30 | Fisker | btw :( |
| 18:48.53 | Fisker | someone made a thread about ios 4.2 being out today |
| 18:49.05 | Fisker | and i told them i've been running ios 15 for a while now |
| 18:49.13 | Fisker | they didn't like it :( |
| 18:50.01 | Jamash | I'm running ios -inf |
| 18:50.04 | Lunessa | Updating my iPhone 3G to the new iOS release and it freaked me out by displaying a "Calling... " screen as it shut down for the new OS install. |
| 18:50.19 | Fisker | you don't get it Jamash |
| 18:50.24 | Jamash | Phoning the NSA... |
| 18:51.11 | Jamash | cisco IOS, yes, Fisker |
| 18:51.24 | Jamash | you're very amusing |
| 18:52.08 | Fisker | said Jamash after a minute of intense googling |
| 18:52.17 | Jamash | ssssh |
| 18:52.51 | Jamash | nobody needs to know about my googling habit |
| 18:53.50 | Jamash | would a support group for recovering /b/tards be Anonymous Anonymous? |
| 18:55.15 | Mirrormn | maybe Anonanonymous |
| 18:56.10 | Jamash | who put the non in anonanonanon |
| 18:56.25 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, updating my 4G to the new OS made it crash, I had to wipe and re-install. Very hateful! |
| 18:56.54 | Lunessa | I wish I had an iPhone 4. *sigh* |
| 18:57.16 | Fisker | don't play with fire if you don't want to get burned Lopeppeppy |
| 18:57.26 | Lopeppeppy | I didn't actually have a choice, none of the 4 stores around me were carrying any older models, although I'd considered one. |
| 18:57.55 | alestane | So it's a good thing I've backed up before installing this. |
| 18:58.21 | Lopeppeppy | yes, always backup before upgrading, you know that. :) |
| 18:58.49 | Lunessa | Well, so far, so good. After this update is done, I have to do the iPad. |
| 19:00.03 | Fisker | i hope a google street view car gets pictures of you naked cleaning out your trunk Lunessa |
| 19:00.18 | jnwhiteh | Anyone on EU and can log into a realm/race for me? |
| 19:00.25 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa's trunk is very clean. *wink* |
| 19:00.31 | Jamash | tmi |
| 19:00.40 | Fisker | yeah jnwhiteh |
| 19:00.48 | Shirik | omg Cide |
| 19:00.53 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: tell me what realm/raceand I'll log in |
| 19:00.55 | Fisker | http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/fotostrecke-61849-2.html <-look at it Lunessa |
| 19:00.55 | Shirik | I was playing with EMPs yesterday |
| 19:00.57 | Lunessa | Fisker I feel sorry for any google employee who takes such a picture. |
| 19:01.00 | jnwhiteh | just need you to enter combat a few times for me while I fix something |
| 19:01.03 | Shirik | I SO have to use them more often |
| 19:01.05 | Ackis | so are there going to be new achievements that I can do from 4.0.3a to cata release? |
| 19:01.12 | Shirik | every time we go up against a protoss I'm using them from now on |
| 19:01.25 | Fisker | lets say ravencrest/troll jnwhiteh |
| 19:01.32 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: kk, apropos |
| 19:01.44 | Fisker | i see what you did there |
| 19:02.17 | jnwhiteh | Gerthingy. |
| 19:02.20 | Jamash | I don't get it, what's so apropos about ravencrest? |
| 19:02.23 | jnwhiteh | need to set up clique |
| 19:02.44 | Fisker | how did you figure it out? |
| 19:03.18 | Lunessa | That went smoothly. Now to update the iPad. |
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| 19:03.26 | Jamash | update it with android |
| 19:03.35 | Cide | Shirik: yes, yes you do |
| 19:03.37 | Fisker | i agree with Jamash |
| 19:03.37 | Cide | emp is amazing |
| 19:03.40 | Shirik | it is |
| 19:03.44 | Shirik | It was like |
| 19:03.48 | Shirik | 10 void rays attacking my base oh noes |
| 19:03.51 | Shirik | 10 marines + one ghost |
| 19:03.52 | Shirik | lol gone |
| 19:04.27 | Jamash | emp+nuke is pro |
| 19:04.31 | Shirik | why nuke |
| 19:04.39 | Shirik | my forces can take em out |
| 19:04.45 | Jamash | because it's a frikken nuklear bomb |
| 19:04.48 | Shirik | ... |
| 19:04.56 | Jamash | on their base |
| 19:05.00 | Lunessa | Jamash: I'll wait until an Android tablet is released and then ask work to get one for "Testing and documentation" purposes. |
| 19:05.57 | Lopeppeppy | Oooh, very slick Lunessa! |
| 19:06.37 | Lunessa | which reminds me that I need to write instructions for connecting Android phones to our WiFi. /sigh |
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| 19:07.54 | Jamash | I'm not sure what you mean by "until" |
| 19:10.08 | batbot | Shirik cannot destroy me. |
| 19:10.50 | Fisker | nor me |
| 19:11.33 | olafski | <nevcairiel> but yeah, you can basically buy one big and one small item <-- cheers, I better start saving up then :P |
| 19:11.51 | Ackis | I'll give you something big Olison |
| 19:11.52 | Ackis | fuck |
| 19:11.56 | Ackis | olafski not Olison |
| 19:12.46 | Lopeppeppy | I was very pleased to find the directions for connecting my iPhone, Lunessa. |
| 19:12.51 | olafski | cool ackis |
| 19:13.04 | Lopeppeppy | Sadly, the directions weren't in a searchable database, I had to call the Help Desk and request permission to view them first... very weird. |
| 19:13.13 | olafski | 4k is more points than I spent over the past week |
| 19:13.25 | Shirik | ow |
| 19:13.31 | Shirik | Cide, reviewing some commentary on forums about EMP |
| 19:13.45 | Shirik | "If emp take out all shiled then Terran would be OP aginst protoss since the immortal will be utterly useless as a tankers all other units like archone or HT will have like 10-100 damage before death..." |
| 19:13.56 | ccox | how to connect your iPad: first, connect your laptop, then copy all the certificates from your laptop so your iPad can lie like a rug. |
| 19:14.23 | Shirik | rug? |
| 19:14.41 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: I'm re-writing all our docs to make them better. But it's a slow process since I have to turn screen captures into "suitable for print" material and I'm no graphic designer. |
| 19:15.14 | ccox | basically: they don't have an answer for the iPad and people are re-using certificates to make it work |
| 19:15.26 | ccox | security through stupidity: it's alive and well in 2010 |
| 19:15.52 | Lopeppeppy | I use CTRL-scrollingmousewheel to make the screen smaller, and then basically just crop it in Photoshop. I don't re-touch things at all for my screenshots. If the sheeple don't like 'em, tough nuggets. |
| 19:17.37 | Lopeppeppy | Mostly they don't complain. When they do, I ask them to submit their own graphics. |
| 19:18.24 | batrick | Blazing Speed no longer dispels movement slowing effects (it still dispels effects that totally stop movement). |
| 19:18.27 | batrick | ^ Bullshit |
| 19:18.52 | batrick | Molten Shields now also causes Blazing Speed to dispel movement slowing effects in addition to its current functionality. |
| 19:19.03 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: *nod* |
| 19:19.06 | batrick | qq |
| 19:19.34 | Lopeppeppy | But that's me at my sarcastic finest, Lunessa. |
| 19:20.10 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: I'm clearly the sarcastic minority here at work. I must be careful lest I push the elite's boundaries too far. |
| 19:22.22 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah... employment is considered goodly. |
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| 19:23.00 | Shirik | batrick |
| 19:23.14 | Shirik | ç§ã¯ç§ããã ã |
| 19:23.15 | Mike-N-Go | Shirik |
| 19:23.22 | Mike-N-Go | Hi =D |
| 19:23.30 | Shirik | hi! |
| 19:24.07 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: I enjoy being able to eat, having a place to live, and being able to afford the things I enjoy, so I must keep myself employed to continue to enjoy them. |
| 19:24.45 | Lopeppeppy | Jobs pay for hobbies. |
| 19:25.01 | Mike-N-Go | Lunessa: Lopeppeppy trying to persuade you to lower your standard of living? |
| 19:25.21 | Lopeppeppy | I would nev-ar! |
| 19:25.32 | Lunessa | No, just saying that staying employed is a goodly thingy. |
| 19:25.40 | Jamash | wow warlocks are getting nerfed across the board |
| 19:26.27 | Lunessa | My 'lock doesn't feel nerfed. |
| 19:27.05 | Lopeppeppy | Your 'lock feels squishy in all the wrong places. |
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| 19:27.26 | Shirik | 2 months |
| 19:27.38 | Lopeppeppy | Getting close, Shirik. :) |
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| 19:30.01 | alestane | What are you looking at, Jamash? |
| 19:30.07 | ccox | I think my warlock has been nerfed so often that she's now a plushie... |
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| 19:30.23 | Shirik | good |
| 19:30.25 | Shirik | warlocks suck anyway |
| 19:30.49 | ccox | Say that in a battleground Mr. Toast. |
| 19:31.31 | TechDevout | XD Indeed. |
| 19:32.26 | ccox | (note to self: move all toons out of Dalaran tonight) |
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| 19:33.05 | Mike-N-Go | ccox: Using http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info12679-Speedway.html too much? |
| 19:33.16 | syrae | ccox: move all toons except mages that have learned Portal to Major City. :P |
| 19:33.46 | ccox | syrae: well the mages go where they please, so yeah: all toons other than mages |
| 19:34.15 | ccox | Mike-N-Go: nope, just park em in Dal so they can use the portals between instances |
| 19:34.37 | Mike-N-Go | Uhhh huh! I bet you run laps! |
| 19:34.40 | syrae | actually... I dropped my bank alt someplace where a building should spawn from the world changes.. I wonder what'll happen to her |
| 19:36.57 | Lopeppeppy | SQUISH! |
| 19:37.05 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, I think I'll be traveling on the blessed date. |
| 19:38.24 | A-KO | http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/6284/mysterymachinex.jpg |
| 19:39.16 | olafski | lol |
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| 19:49.21 | Lunessa | This is fantastic. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzFpg271sm8 |
| 19:49.50 | mitchnull | it's probably full of cats |
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| 19:51.01 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy? |
| 19:51.03 | Lunessa | Not a single cat in the whole thing. |
| 19:51.07 | Shirik | you mean the 25th? |
| 19:51.23 | Lopeppeppy | If that's the date in question, yes. I'm traveling Dec. 22 - 26. |
| 19:51.38 | Shirik | well I'm not sure what "the blessed date" is :) |
| 19:52.01 | Lopeppeppy | 2 months to go? |
| 19:52.11 | Shirik | that would be january :) |
| 19:52.25 | Lopeppeppy | Okay, what's in January besides the new year, then? |
| 19:52.32 | Shirik | starting my new job |
| 19:53.10 | Lopeppeppy | Ah. Yay, I won't be traveling then! |
| 19:53.35 | Shirik | I'm pretty sure my relocation company is already starting to hate me |
| 19:54.11 | Shirik | anyway gitta run |
| 19:56.12 | cralor | just wondering... how do you concatenate ellipsis? |
| 19:56.40 | sylvanaar_work | why would you |
| 19:56.45 | Humbedooh | concatenate ellipsis? |
| 19:56.52 | Humbedooh | o.O |
| 19:56.54 | tekkub | "."..".".."." |
| 19:57.19 | cralor | no like the '...' explicit parameter of OnEvent method |
| 19:57.44 | sylvanaar_work | so you want to concatenate all the parameters? |
| 19:58.01 | cralor | no. but when i thought of it i wanted to know how you would :) |
| 19:58.06 | Humbedooh | table.concat("", {...}) ? |
| 19:58.17 | cralor | ah yes that might be it |
| 19:59.07 | Humbedooh | lua> table.concat("", {'R', 'T', 'F', 'M'}) |
| 19:59.08 | lua_bot | Humbedooh: luabot:1: bad argument #2 to 'concat' (string expected, got table) |
| 19:59.18 | Humbedooh | pft |
| 19:59.25 | Humbedooh | otherway around then, obviously |
| 19:59.40 | Humbedooh | lua> table.concat({'R', 'T', 'F', 'M'}, "") |
| 19:59.40 | lua_bot | Humbedooh: RTFM |
| 20:00.07 | alestane | brings Cairenn warm soup. |
| 20:00.12 | sylvanaar_work | thats like a ticking time bomb |
| 20:00.17 | Cairenn | hugs alestane |
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| 20:00.58 | sylvanaar_work | lua> table.concat({'W', 'T', nil, 'F'}, "") |
| 20:00.59 | lua_bot | sylvanaar_work: luabot:1: invalid value (nil) at index 3 in table for 'concat' |
| 20:01.17 | sylvanaar_work | thats the problem |
| 20:01.37 | Humbedooh | always the nay-sayer! |
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| 20:01.58 | sylvanaar_work | you need to concat in a loop unfortunately |
| 20:02.06 | Hell-Razor | anybody know if theres a way to export what glyphs glypher select to sell? I store my glyphs on a alt and its kidn of a pain to write them all down and go back |
| 20:03.19 | nevcairiel | why not sell them with your alt |
| 20:03.20 | Humbedooh | lua> print(table.concat({1,2,3,nil,4,nil})) |
| 20:03.21 | lua_bot | Humbedooh: 123 |
| 20:03.49 | sylvanaar_work | trixy |
| 20:03.54 | Humbedooh | oddy |
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| 20:04.04 | nevcairiel | lua> #{1,2,3,nil,4,nil} |
| 20:04.05 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: 3 |
| 20:04.08 | nevcairiel | thats why it works |
| 20:04.18 | nevcairiel | lua> #{1,2,3,nil,4} |
| 20:04.18 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: 5 |
| 20:04.25 | nevcairiel | thats why it doesnt :p |
| 20:04.34 | nevcairiel | arrays with holes are non-deterministic |
| 20:04.45 | nevcairiel | well, they probably are somehow, but not documented |
| 20:05.27 | sylvanaar_work | in the case of ..., it has to be deterministic though |
| 20:05.47 | Humbedooh | indeed |
| 20:05.58 | Humbedooh | though probably not if you use {...} |
| 20:06.01 | batrick | everything in lua is deterministic |
| 20:06.14 | sylvanaar_work | so if i go { ... }, that table should be of known length |
| 20:06.24 | nevcairiel | lua> function foo(...) print(table.concat({...})) end; foo("foo", "bar", nil, "meh") |
| 20:06.24 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: luabot:1: invalid value (nil) at index 3 in table for 'concat' |
| 20:06.35 | nevcairiel | still breaks! |
| 20:06.47 | Humbedooh | add a nil at the end there |
| 20:07.01 | sylvanaar_work | nil at the end shouldnt count, but lets see |
| 20:07.07 | Humbedooh | lua> function foo(...) print(table.concat({...})) end; foo("foo", "bar", nil, "meh", nil) |
| 20:07.08 | lua_bot | Humbedooh: foobar |
| 20:07.08 | nevcairiel | lua> function foo(...) print(table.concat({...})) end; foo("foo", "bar", nil, "meh", nil) |
| 20:07.08 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: foobar |
| 20:07.22 | nevcairiel | ... can also hold nils at the end =) |
| 20:07.33 | sylvanaar_work | oh yeah true |
| 20:07.49 | nevcairiel | For the Lua side of things, its like the only way to check if a value was present but nil, or absent |
| 20:08.03 | Humbedooh | indeedy |
| 20:08.30 | sylvanaar_work | lua must take the size of the list, and setn the table for that amount |
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| 20:08.47 | sylvanaar_work | thats the only thing that makes sense |
| 20:11.22 | Kraps | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/1191654#blog |
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| 20:19.21 | cralor | hmm... event is still passed as the first argument of '...', right? |
| 20:19.44 | Humbedooh | depends on the event |
| 20:19.59 | Humbedooh | is it a global event or a frame event? |
| 20:20.25 | haste | OnEvent is called as: func(self, event, ...) -- guessing frame events here! |
| 20:20.33 | cralor | ok right. |
| 20:20.34 | haste | varargs make no sense for globals |
| 20:20.45 | cralor | That's how I I'm doing it right now |
| 20:21.03 | cralor | But, for whatever reason, my UNIT_POWER is not even triggering. |
| 20:21.09 | cralor | http://pastey.net/143162 |
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| 20:21.25 | sylvanaar_work | you should use the new syntax so you dont have to call the function |
| 20:21.49 | cralor | oh maybe that is my problem? |
| 20:21.54 | cralor | what's the new syntax |
| 20:21.56 | sylvanaar_work | i have to look it up, but isnt it an attribute in the xml called handler |
| 20:22.10 | cralor | ' |
| 20:22.15 | cralor | 'pf:SetScript("OnEvent", ClassicPowerText_OnEvent)' still viable? |
| 20:22.26 | haste | cralor: ClassicPowerText_OnEvent would be nil there |
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| 20:22.46 | haste | cralor: you're basically doing: SetScript('OnEvent', nil) |
| 20:22.56 | cralor | oh ya I forgot something. aha! |
| 20:23.05 | Kraps | http://g4tv.com/videos/49814/Adult-Star-Kirsten-Price-Tests-Kinects-Nude-Filter/ nsfw |
| 20:23.14 | batrick | Mike-N-Go: I'm trying to get a listing of all the mounts with the spellid for each one and whether they are ground/flyable |
| 20:23.30 | cralor | haste: usually i use an OnLoad and call it at the end. |
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| 20:26.01 | Cairenn | ooooooh Kaaaaaelten! You're in shit now! |
| 20:26.32 | Lopeppeppy | watches and nibbles popcorn! |
| 20:26.33 | Cairenn | smacks Kaelten |
| 20:27.59 | farmbuyer | actually, I have a question for Kaelten, totally unrelated to whatever else is going on :-) when kael gets back that is |
| 20:28.01 | Humbedooh | also smacks Kaelten some |
| 20:29.12 | Lopeppeppy | If he comes back, with this abuse going on. |
| 20:30.54 | Kaelten | Why so mean Cairenn |
| 20:31.10 | Kaelten | Lopeppeppy: :P |
| 20:31.15 | Kaelten | farmbuyer: sup |
| 20:31.17 | Cairenn | Kaelten: you love it |
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| 20:31.25 | Cairenn | and, you're in shit now! |
| 20:31.28 | Kaelten | only when it's recipical |
| 20:31.32 | Cairenn | waits for the fireworks |
| 20:31.35 | farmbuyer | Kaelten: what do you use these days as a replacement for KC_Items/KC_Rundown? |
| 20:31.47 | Kaelten | nothing :( |
| 20:32.05 | Nobgul|AFK | 0_o |
| 20:32.42 | Lunessa | I'm still waiting to see why Kaelten is in the shit. |
| 20:32.49 | Kaelten | I'm confused too |
| 20:33.00 | Cairenn | pokes Zhinjio |
| 20:33.13 | Kaelten | talking to him on ims |
| 20:33.14 | Kaelten | :P |
| 20:33.19 | Cairenn | that's why! |
| 20:33.25 | Humbedooh | Kaelten: fix stuff!! |
| 20:33.33 | Kaelten | not sure how this puts me in the shit :P |
| 20:33.36 | Cairenn | and, booooooo Zhinjio, I wanted it to be where we could all mock him! |
| 20:33.54 | Zhinjio | keeps his berating private. *grin* |
| 20:34.02 | Cairenn | bah! you're no fun! |
| 20:34.06 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 20:34.35 | farmbuyer | Kaelten: ah, dammit, I was hoping to get away with being lazy. er, I mean, "being efficient and leveraging previous work". |
| 20:34.46 | farmbuyer | now I'm going to end up writing it over from scratch :-) |
| 20:36.02 | Lopeppeppy | exercise is good for the soul |
| 20:36.19 | Cairenn | huggles Kaelten |
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| 20:39.05 | Kaelten | sticks his tongue out at Cairenn |
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| 20:41.15 | Lopeppeppy | Don't stick it out unless you're going to use it... |
| 20:41.31 | Cairenn | giggles |
| 20:41.36 | Fisker | slaps Kaelten around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:41.43 | Fisker | it's an imposter |
| 20:41.45 | alestane | I thought about saying something to that effect. |
| 20:41.58 | Kaelten | Lopeppeppy: ;) |
| 20:42.09 | Lopeppeppy | rawr. baby. oh. please. |
| 20:42.46 | Nobgul|AFK | 0_o |
| 20:42.48 | Nobgul|AFK | woah |
| 20:44.32 | Lopeppeppy | Nobgul|AFK, its a trap. Many bothans died to make me yawn so convincingly. |
| 20:44.56 | Kaelten | Nobgul|AFK: she's just trying to cover up her true feelings now, denial and all that |
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| 20:45.37 | Lopeppeppy | I am de queen of de nile |
| 20:45.59 | Lunessa | Holy crap: http://gawker.com/5696300/ |
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| 20:48.45 | Kaelten | Lunessa: that's fucking nuts |
| 20:48.54 | Lunessa | She dug that whole. |
| 20:49.00 | Lunessa | hole. |
| 20:49.12 | Kaelten | it's still rediculous |
| 20:49.32 | Nobgul|AFK | She still dug it |
| 20:50.15 | nicoli_s | still, its not like kids are warned |
| 20:50.27 | nicoli_s | its not like they tell you ahead of time what sort of per month to expect |
| 20:51.24 | Shadowed | It's not like they tell them that having a degree won't mean you get a job that pays 100k so you can pay off the loans in a year :P |
| 20:51.36 | Xyphoid | i can't see what the degree's actually in? |
| 20:51.43 | Mike-N-Go | Betas just went down =[ |
| 20:51.51 | alestane | While I agree that it's any debtor's responsibility to know what they're taking on, getting into the position of owing much more than your likely rent in student loan payments is pretty ridiculous. |
| 20:52.11 | nicoli_s | well i mean for like when you a buy a house, you get set down and they talk about that stuff |
| 20:52.11 | Shadowed | It's mostly what college has turned into that sucks |
| 20:52.16 | Shadowed | it's The American Dream |
| 20:52.23 | nicoli_s | for most student loan stuff, its done via mail or the internet |
| 20:52.25 | Shadowed | but for college students, not adults buying houses |
| 20:52.35 | nicoli_s | thank god i grew up in georgia with free college :) |
| 20:53.19 | Xyphoid | sociology |
| 20:54.00 | farmbuyer | how in the hell do you manage to rack up that much debt for an undergrad degree? I didn't think that was possible. |
| 20:54.04 | Mike-N-Go | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=27789638757&sid=2000 |
| 20:54.20 | Kaelten | farmbuyer: she says in the faq, it's 40k+ year at that school |
| 20:54.33 | farmbuyer | holy balls |
| 20:55.10 | Kaelten | Hell I don't even have a degree and I'm saddled with a lot of student loan debt that's never helped me at all |
| 20:55.10 | nicoli_s | i mean even at a school thats technically free, it was 20 for my gf to stay in the dorm |
| 20:55.11 | Kaelten | and it was because I was 18 and told "this is what you should do" |
| 20:55.13 | nicoli_s | 20k* |
| 20:55.46 | Kaelten | nicoli_s: yeah it was like 6 or 7k a year just for rent at the dorms I lived in |
| 20:55.52 | Kaelten | not to mention internet and food |
| 20:55.58 | nicoli_s | and the degree she had she couldnt really work |
| 20:56.03 | nicoli_s | so it was pretty much forced |
| 20:56.18 | farmbuyer | at some point, you'd think a parent or high school guidance counselor or a bank loan officer would've quietly taken her aside and said "stop. you cannot afford this. pick a different school. no pony." |
| 20:56.40 | nicoli_s | but they know/hope theparents will pay it |
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| 20:56.47 | nicoli_s | even if the kids cant |
| 20:57.29 | nevcairiel | Am i glad for free education =P |
| 20:57.33 | Kaelten | farmbuyer: she says she was the first person in her family/extended family to go to college |
| 20:58.18 | Lunessa | Now she's asking other people to help her pay her student loans. - So she can be a raging liberal and /do good/. This is not personal responsibility. This is "take care of this for me." |
| 20:59.06 | farmbuyer | success at any cost, I guess |
| 20:59.10 | Kaelten | Lunessa: don't get my dismay over the bill and the how ludicras it is confused with saying we should all go pitch in a dollar |
| 20:59.26 | Lunessa | Kaelten: I don't. |
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| 20:59.45 | alestane | As long as she isn't also whining that no-one is helping, I don't have a problem with that. |
| 20:59.49 | foxlit_ | looks up "ludicras" |
| 20:59.51 | Lunessa | I'm just shocked that at 2 years in, when the debt was already piling up, she made the choice to spend a year abroad. |
| 20:59.56 | Kaelten | alestane: yes |
| 21:00.21 | farmbuyer | I would've loved to have been the first person in my family (extended or otherwise) to get a ph.d. but I looked at the dollar figure said "oh well". Somewhere there has to be a sanity check. |
| 21:00.22 | nicoli_s | well it might have been she was just too uninformed to know how much the payments would be |
| 21:00.23 | Kaelten | foxlit_" :P |
| 21:00.40 | nicoli_s | for someone just out of high school, they have very little concept of interest and such things |
| 21:00.47 | Kaelten | Lunessa: I didn't see any indication when and how long she did the time abroad |
| 21:00.47 | foxlit_ | I'm shocked someone is lending money to what clearly is a horribly risky affair |
| 21:00.51 | Lunessa | Nah, read the FAQ. |
| 21:00.52 | Predicate | It seems like a variation of the "you mean I have to *pay this back*?" you hear about sometimes with credit card users. |
| 21:01.05 | farmbuyer | maybe she thought she'd never have to pay it back |
| 21:01.09 | farmbuyer | what Predicate said |
| 21:01.13 | Predicate | She obviously realized she'd owe money, but not just how much that would affect her life. |
| 21:01.15 | nevcairiel | I could get a PhD, and it wouldn't cost me a thing, i was just sick of school, so i started working instead =p |
| 21:01.31 | Xyphoid | clearly skipping the country is the answer |
| 21:01.41 | Lunessa | Education loans are expensive and she chose to spend top dollar - with no plan for paying it back. |
| 21:02.46 | farmbuyer | I keep hoping my better half will go back for her ph.d. so I can call her "doctor girlfriend". that usually gets me a glare when I say it though. and then she stops healing/taunting, depending which toon she's on. |
| 21:03.00 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 21:03.29 | Lunessa | A friend of mine refers to his g/f as Dr. Girlfriend... and she's in her medical residency. |
| 21:04.27 | Jamash | it's Dr. Mrs. The Monarch now anyway |
| 21:04.37 | nevcairiel | I dunno how anyone can actually think charging this much money for education benefits anyone, except the people getting the money. But apparently, it seems to be accepted, or no-one would pay. |
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| 21:05.20 | Jamash | beggar-thy-neighbor |
| 21:05.33 | Predicate | It "benefits" the people who can wave their diplomas around as status symbols... |
| 21:05.54 | nevcairiel | You should support smart people, not rich people |
| 21:05.57 | Jamash | and then people complain that we don't have enough doctors/nurses/teachers/etc |
| 21:06.55 | Lunessa | nevcairiel: She chose to attend a very prestigious school with very high fees. She could have gone to any number of other schools for a quality education for less. Education is more expensive than it probably should be, but ... this just floors me. |
| 21:07.46 | nevcairiel | We have good schools. Its hard to get in there, because alot of people want, so only the smarter people get in there. But you know what they cost? The same as the not so popular universitys, nothing. |
| 21:08.00 | Jamash | ^ smarter country than the USA |
| 21:08.41 | nevcairiel | (technically, not nothing, small fees still apply, but thats something someone can cover with a few hours weekend job) |
| 21:08.43 | Jamash | I could go on for an hour about why and how the USA is screwed up, but this isn't a politics channel so I won't |
| 21:09.35 | Kraps | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/1192315 |
| 21:09.55 | Jamash | instead I'll link to this picture http://thedevilspanties.com/archives/4100 of an octopus in a kilt |
| 21:10.07 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 21:10.37 | Jamash | holy crap I didn't see that costume |
| 21:10.37 | Jamash | that's awesome |
| 21:10.46 | nevcairiel | Yeah she deserved to win |
| 21:10.51 | sylvanaar_work | in the US we have full body scanners and George W Bush as a 2 term pres. We rule! |
| 21:11.11 | nevcairiel | We're getting the scanners as well, but at least we dont have people touching you |
| 21:11.13 | Jamash | Oh, I saw Mother Shahraz last year, that was also awesome |
| 21:11.42 | nevcairiel | (I bet we only get the scanners so we can still fly to the US) |
| 21:11.50 | Jamash | probably |
| 21:11.52 | sylvanaar_work | probably |
| 21:11.57 | Jamash | hi5 |
| 21:12.22 | Jamash | Honestly, I think we'd do better by straight up asking people "Are you a terrorist [y/n]?" |
| 21:12.38 | sylvanaar_work | how about we just go back to boats |
| 21:12.39 | nevcairiel | You would probably catch a fair amount |
| 21:12.47 | Jamash | zeppelins, maybe |
| 21:12.52 | sylvanaar_work | lol |
| 21:12.58 | nevcairiel | zeppelins turned out not so good in the past |
| 21:13.10 | Jamash | that was due to a helium embargo because of WWII |
| 21:13.13 | sylvanaar_work | maybe this time they will have enough helium to fill them up with |
| 21:13.15 | Jamash | or WWI, I forget |
| 21:13.16 | nevcairiel | there is that hindenburg incident |
| 21:13.34 | sylvanaar_work | they didnt have enough helium back then |
| 21:13.40 | sylvanaar_work | so they had to use hydrogen |
| 21:13.48 | Kraps | sylvanaar_work: it blowed up |
| 21:13.52 | sylvanaar_work | which as you can see was a poor choice |
| 21:14.07 | nevcairiel | hydrogen is way too volatile, i agree |
| 21:14.28 | sylvanaar_work | the concept and engineering were good though |
| 21:14.37 | nevcairiel | was a german design, afterall |
| 21:15.17 | nevcairiel | but everything is about speed these days |
| 21:15.23 | nevcairiel | and those things arent really fast |
| 21:15.23 | sylvanaar_work | i'd have like to have flown on one myself - just not the last one |
| 21:15.29 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 21:17.02 | sylvanaar_work | flying is still alot of fun, but you have to fly first/business class to get it that way |
| 21:17.52 | Jamash | I have weird dreams about flying, where I'm on an airplane that has to make a series of dangerous turns / close approaches to obstacles in order to land |
| 21:18.05 | farmbuyer | or in a sailplane. more narrow fusalage, longer wings, very quiet. also no engine. |
| 21:18.11 | Jamash | I don't know why, I actually quit enjoy flying |
| 21:18.14 | Jamash | *quite |
| 21:18.39 | Jamash | if I could have one of those helicarrier-type airborne bases I would |
| 21:18.48 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 21:19.04 | nevcairiel | those are awesome anyhow |
| 21:19.15 | sylvanaar_work | what are they? |
| 21:19.18 | Jamash | actually I want to live on the moon, but that's implausible ;) |
| 21:19.56 | Jamash | the helicarrier (or the Valiant in the new Dr. Who) are like an aircraft carrier, but flying |
| 21:20.09 | nevcairiel | somehow that pciture reminded me of sky captain and the world of tomorrow, with angelina jolie as the captain of that flying base |
| 21:20.09 | sylvanaar_work | i see |
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| 21:20.28 | nebula169 | pretty much what i was thinking of |
| 21:21.07 | Jamash | or, apparently, "Cloudbase" from Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons |
| 21:21.08 | foxlit | Not enough of the Valiant in the fifth series :( |
| 21:21.08 | sylvanaar_work | does the hellicarier lots of helicopter blades holding it up? |
| 21:21.13 | Jamash | yeah |
| 21:21.20 | sylvanaar_work | scary |
| 21:21.39 | Jamash | well, it's a very silly concept |
| 21:21.55 | sylvanaar_work | F121 you are coming in too high, pull up, pull up! (buzzsaw noise) |
| 21:21.59 | nevcairiel | looks good in movies though |
| 21:22.02 | Jamash | there's no possible way one could work |
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| 21:23.11 | nevcairiel | once we have aritificial gravity generators and can reduce the mass of that thing with that, it'll work! |
| 21:23.12 | Lunessa | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/8152047/Fig-leaf-knickers-protect-passengers-privates-from-airport-scanners.html |
| 21:23.17 | farmbuyer | I want one of the 1950's-style Orions to get around town. Giant hemisphere, toss small nuclear bombs into the hollow space to propel it. |
| 21:23.50 | Jamash | yeah people are generally unhappy with Orion vehicles used near or in a biosphere |
| 21:24.34 | Kraps | http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/40318901/ns/travel-news/ |
| 21:24.35 | Jamash | create a zero-fallout nuke and we'll talk |
| 21:25.10 | farmbuyer | there's nothing near my house that needs preserving, screw it, I need to get to the coffeeshop NOW |
| 21:25.27 | Jamash | but will the coffeeshop be there when you get there? |
| 21:25.40 | nevcairiel | not if we nuke it now |
| 21:25.56 | farmbuyer | my cunning plan involves only visiting out-of-state coffeehouses very quickly |
| 21:26.27 | Jamash | clever |
| 21:26.56 | Lunessa | Did anyone ever read "Footfall" by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle? It has an Orion in it. |
| 21:26.58 | Fisker | slaps nevcairiel around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:27.38 | Jamash | I haven't read it, but my dad has, and he's talked about it |
| 21:27.46 | farmbuyer | Lunessa: that was actually my first encounter with the concept. I was a bit surprised to find out that it wasn't a fictional idea. |
| 21:28.10 | farmbuyer | sort of a "wait, somebody actually thought this up and it wasn't a novelist?" moment |
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| 21:28.20 | Jamash | Freeman Dyson is awesome |
| 21:28.56 | Lunessa | You should hear Dr. Pournelle talk about consulting on space, space travel and space weaponry in to 50s and 60s for the US Government. He has some pretty amazing stories. |
| 21:29.03 | Jamash | he's also a nut |
| 21:29.14 | Lunessa | An entertaining nut. |
| 21:29.17 | Jamash | absolutely |
| 21:29.24 | Lunessa | And clever. |
| 21:29.31 | farmbuyer | I remember his line about "I always knew I'd see the first person on the moon. I never dreamed I would see the last." |
| 21:29.38 | Jamash | yeah :( |
| 21:30.02 | Jamash | I really like the Mote in God's Eye series by him and Niven, despite it being extremely silly |
| 21:30.12 | Lunessa | We hosted him in the early 90s for a con here in Houston. He was a very personable gust who was always willing to tell a story. |
| 21:30.33 | Jamash | I'm not sure if we ever got him for Baycon in san jose |
| 21:30.35 | farmbuyer | liked the first Mote story a bit better than the second, but agreed. |
| 21:31.47 | Jamash | it's great as long as you don't think about a society old enough to have burned all the uranium on their home planet and skilled enough at genetic manipulation to have multiple subspecies but that never thought of birth control |
| 21:32.36 | Lunessa | Jamash: They had. |
| 21:32.45 | Adys | "Novell acquired by Attachmate, sells some patents to Microsoft" |
| 21:32.52 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZMwKPmsbWE |
| 21:32.55 | Adys | Now that is shitstorm-inc-worthy |
| 21:33.04 | Jamash | who or what is Attachmate? Sounds like a sex toy manufacturer |
| 21:33.13 | Lunessa | Jamash: And each time the concept led to war. |
| 21:33.35 | Lunessa | They're a houston tech company with business that I don't pretend to understand. |
| 21:33.43 | Jamash | Lunessa: Okay, I didn't remember that part. |
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| 21:35.42 | Jamash | Kraps: The one thing that video needs is Japan to come hang with CA and HI |
| 21:35.47 | Lunessa | Jamash: remember, failing to breed for a "master' motie = death. |
| 21:35.52 | Jamash | and form the republic of nerdistan |
| 21:35.59 | Kraps | heh |
| 21:36.18 | Jamash | otakustania |
| 21:37.39 | Jamash | we'd be world leader in electronics design *and* porn |
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| 21:41.55 | syrae | has anyone seen a good interface for the new armory? The old one used XML which is easy to parse, but the new one seems to be all HTML junk. |
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| 21:43.37 | Xyphoid | next step clearly will be sedating people for the flight - lower terrorist risk *and* higher passenger density *and* lower staff costs, win-win |
| 21:45.13 | farmbuyer | I'd be fine with being unconscious for the flight. I love the actual flying, but the screaming kid to my left and the 450-pound smelly guy to my right outweigh any kind of enjoyment. |
| 21:45.25 | Jamash | I like watching the scenery |
| 21:45.36 | farmbuyer | but if I set them on fire, *I'm* the one who goes to jail. |
| 21:45.37 | Xyphoid | welp |
| 21:45.37 | Xyphoid | on the hindenburg 2/3 of the passengers survived |
| 21:45.59 | Xyphoid | cf airliner crashes |
| 21:46.02 | Jamash | I read somewhere that if everyone had simply stayed put (and nobody had jumped) they all would have been fine, don't know if that's true |
| 21:46.41 | Jamash | the thing I read said the heat from the fire went up, and the gondola settled to the ground fairly gently |
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| 21:49.06 | Jamash | anyway, if they hadn't been using hydrogen it wouldn't have been anywhere near as bad |
| 21:49.34 | Jamash | speaking of which, I find the exploding airship in the Cataclysm cinematic highly amusing |
| 21:50.06 | Jamash | since one of the bits of goblin gossip is that "there's no chance of one of these things going up like a giant helium bomb" |
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| 21:51.19 | farmbuyer | I prefer to think that the gas in the airship is perfectly safe, but there are also packs of dynamite loaded into the wings, because that's just what goblins *do*. |
| 21:52.04 | Jamash | could be |
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| 22:06.05 | sylvanaar_work | farmbuyer: i like to go unconscious when i fly coach |
| 22:07.44 | sylvanaar_work | what utter nonsense http://www.gymfu.com/ |
| 22:08.11 | sylvanaar_work | they want you to buy 4 apps |
| 22:08.37 | sylvanaar_work | how stupid |
| 22:08.49 | Jamash | also their website is terrible |
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| 22:12.38 | Xyphoid | how about http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n11/impbianco/09Aeromarine.jpg |
| 22:13.08 | krka | awesome http://therealrevo.com/blog/?p=35619&utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=the-goal-isnt-security |
| 22:13.39 | Lunessa | A brief visit to UI&M forum reminded me of why I reduced my posting/reading. |
| 22:15.12 | Jamash | Xyphoid: NEXTWAVE \m/ |
| 22:16.55 | Xyphoid | go fleshy ones |
| 22:17.02 | Jamash | Lunessa: it's not really for developers |
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| 23:56.34 | A-KO | http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1943950 |
| 23:57.04 | Lunessa | Anyone here use Axigen on their Linux boxes? |
