IRC log for #wowuidev on 20101119

00:00.04ShirikKraps: What?
00:00.09ShirikKraps: Main screen turn on
00:00.21Krapswhat you say?
00:00.23foxlithttp://forums.bestbuy.com/t5/World-of-Warcraft-Cataclysm/ch-p/WoW
00:00.30foxlit"Get here after we met our user maximum? Check out the USTREAM at http://www.ustream.tv/channel/wowdevchat."
00:00.55foxlitwait, they're ustreaming forums?
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00:14.07Krapswhy cant i write a question? and what the point of this hole-in-the-wall endeavor?
00:14.33Shirikpets Kraps
00:15.50foxlitSeriously, it's irc
00:15.57DagmarIt's because of a lack of Remote Stab In The Face protocol that such things invariably need
00:16.10foxlitThey're ustreaming IRC?!
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00:16.37Dagmar...because ASCII isn't bandwidth-intensive enough by half.
00:16.52durcynhey, it's probably UTF-8, give them some credit
00:17.16foxlitThey're ustreaming IRC.
00:17.29Krapsi'm in the irc
00:17.40DagmarIt's like test-to-speech SMS apps for the phone
00:17.44foxlitI cannot relay how idiotic this is.
00:17.47Dagmars/test/text/
00:18.21Krapsfoxlit: looks like theres a 500 user limit in the irc
00:19.08foxlitKraps: yes, but, come on.
00:19.49KrapsDeathwing hates trees - Zarhym
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00:21.18DagmarMmm.... flame-broiled noobs
00:22.05AckisFisker: I'm still alive you're doing something wrong
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00:43.47dardack_homesigh why isn't omnicc working for me: OmniCC-4.0.waffles4\effects\shine.lua:106: attempt to index global 'OmniCC' (a nil value)
00:44.53Tullerstandard question:
00:45.03Tullerdid you delete all folders before installing the most recent version?
00:47.42Dumanheh
00:50.13Krapsthe hell is up with josh and dorothy? are they on some kind of drug?
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01:00.30dardack_homeanyone know what addon has a ding on it for something i can't tell what's happening, i just hear the ding
01:02.18Krapshey bibi is in the chat :p
01:04.50Krapsits over
01:05.11Bibino "last question!" or anything
01:05.13Bibijust
01:05.16Bibi"ok bored, hour done, cya"
01:07.37Krapsthey even opened to questions right before they ended it
01:08.05Krapsoffers blizzard a cluebat
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01:17.02Ackisteabags Bibi
01:17.30syraeah, a classic internet greeting denoting familiarity and affection
01:17.44Adyshttp://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2010/11/germanys-blurry-street-view.html ha ha ha .
01:19.52AckisIf I edit my launcher.wtf, change LK to CT in SET accountType "LK" and hten load the launcher I'll pre-load?
01:22.14Ackisah need to do config.wtf too
01:26.00Krapshttp://www.20thingsilearned.com/#/home
01:27.05Krapsworks better in chrome
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01:30.26Yssarilanyone else not able to log into beta?
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02:05.31DagmarHmm... I'll have to look more closely at the BM talent tree later when I get home.
02:05.58DagmarI just looked over wowpedia, and I don't see any reason why I've been hitting 60% crit rate
02:07.27DagmarIt *should* be 49% but something's going off the rails.  The _lowest_ I've done against the target dummy was 53%
02:08.14DagmarIt's been averaging 59% crit which is a lot higher than it probably should be
02:10.35Mirrormnyou're probably blessed by the Light of Elune or something
02:14.26DagmarDamned if I know.  At first I thought it was just great luck and now I'm suspecting there's something I've overlooked.
02:15.07DagmarPatchwerk definitely didn't appreciate my critting Kill Shots last week
02:32.22Mirrormnwhy were you figthing patchwerk last week O.o
02:37.31Thunder_Childfor fun?
02:38.45Xyphoidwe did about half of naxx last week too
02:39.11Xyphoiddid the weekly there then kind of went 'can we be bothered flying to ICC? no'
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03:25.12Krapsand hide ya husband
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03:43.34Krapshttp://kotaku.com/5693771/canada-truck-heist-nets-1-million-in-psps-ps3s
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03:45.26Krapshttp://kotaku.com/5693801/help-i-swallowed-my-world-of-warcraft-authenticator
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04:13.11airtonixhttp://www.mini-box.com/site/mb/Power_MB.htm
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04:16.18AdysWhere's cide when i need him. :(
04:16.20Adysnevcairiel!
04:16.43Adyshttp://dpaste.com/277154/ both pyside and pyqt4 tell me "fuck off, that object is already deleted"
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04:22.11Thunder_Childthen maybe it's already deleted
04:27.32Arrowmasterhttp://fukung.net/v/28535/1419ae3b23bb48c7fa3b64d5a43c6c82.gif
04:27.43Arrowmasternow that is fucking genius
04:34.30Olisonhaha :D
04:34.48Seerahnice :)
04:40.16kd3except for when it reaches the end of the spool...
04:40.18kd3ponders
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04:42.35Auroruskd3: I think that video is sped up heaps, so the actual mower is going pretty slow. He'd walk over and prob do the last few yards  himself
04:43.41DagmarTher'es also the small problem of it making your yard look like aliens have been there.
04:44.04DagmarGoddamn extraterrestrial kids... get offa my lawn!
04:44.13JerubDagmar: wait, "problem" ?
04:44.35AurorusI think Dagmar was aiming for 'awesome consequence'
04:45.19Aurorusunless Dagmar gets extraterrestrial kids on his lawn all the time. Then it's a problem. You don't know where to shoot. :-/
04:46.14Thunder_ChildKraps: weekend deal is up
04:46.28Krapshuman target is back!
04:47.24Thunder_Childi really want to get bejeweled 3
04:47.37KrapsThunder_Child: i've seen ghost warrior get panned a lot
04:49.12Thunder_ChildKraps: the reviews seem to agree
04:49.23KrapsThunder_Child: already got bejeweled 3 at 20% off
04:49.38Thunder_Childi dont own any of the others
04:50.09Krapsget twist, it pretty cool
04:50.25Thunder_Childoh, i have played them all
04:50.31Thunder_Childi just dont own any of them
04:50.45KrapsTHIEFFFFFF
04:50.54Thunder_Childyep
04:51.05Thunder_Childthough i never did like that game
04:53.05Krapshttp://fukung.net/v/28569/61fc910b3d6903847d49beca05677c63.jpg
04:56.36Krapshttp://fukung.net/v/28587/cdb0353e0ea51f027d1d5f76494474ca.jpg
04:57.26Krapshttp://fukung.net/v/28593/46dbc6f2493b4a65cf0d114188b9844c.png
05:02.30KrapsThunder_Child: apparently this is cheaper and better http://store.steampowered.com/app/3700/
05:05.25Krapshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iq9u2DNbYoA&feature=player_embedded
05:10.41KrapsOMG I AM SO HAPPY http://store.steampowered.com/app/62000/
05:11.26Krapsinstabuy
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05:14.14DagmarLet me guess...
05:14.32DagmarIf you refer 20 people into buying hte game you get a free copy of TSA Body Grope Simulator HD?
05:14.53Corrodias2mmm
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05:18.51KrapsDagmar: Realistic! 3 hour flight delays! Crappy food! Annoying seatmates! Everything you've ever wanted in a flight sim!
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05:22.40Thunder_Childhttp://fukung.net/v/34357/bd39afecff852e8bf724c61163d49c8b.jpg >.<
05:23.21HirsuteSpeaking of TSA... isn't the pat down only for people who refuse to go through the scanners, or is it sometimes used as a primary screen?
05:23.38DagmarKraps: ALL HYPE!  I just watched the trailer.  You play as a flight controller, not a bitch er... passenger
05:23.50kd3it can be a primary screen in airports that don't have the backscatter devices
05:23.57ArrowmasterHirsute: if you set off the metal detectors twice in a row you get mandatory pat down
05:24.03DagmarHirsute: It depends on how cute they think you are, basically.
05:24.08HirsuteHeh
05:24.10HirsuteFair enough.
05:24.19DagmarAny fucking reason they can think of, they can "escalate" matters
05:24.22KrapsDagmar: heh, but really you never heard this game?
05:24.27Dagmar...which is about as goddamn stupid as it gets.
05:24.49HirsuteMy home airport doesn't use the backscatter devices they have very much, but they've always just let me go through the metal detectors.
05:24.55Thunder_Childspeaking of which http://fukung.net/v/34345/af2c449d314c4fced97aedefda3653f7.jpg
05:25.17DagmarTo hell with coming up with sensible protocols that require employees to use proper judgment, let's just lay down a bunch of brick-fucking-stupid rules that they can blindly follow, and then allow them to make up their own reasons to jerk people around as needed
05:25.33Dagmar'cuz you know, it's all about people being able to say "I was only doing my job"
05:25.34WobinThunder_Child: I saw a photo of that image being the wallpaper at an airport immigration office
05:25.43Thunder_Childnice
05:25.55Wobinwallpaper of a computer that is
05:26.00DagmarYes, I am filled with deep hatred of the TSA.
05:26.44HirsuteDagmar: Do you travel much?
05:26.53DagmarI *used* to
05:27.12DagmarThey are, simply put, and from the ground fucking up, doing it WRONG.
05:27.35DagmarThis is why freaked out looking guys with exploding underpants can get on a plane in the first place.
05:28.02Hirsute*snicker* exploding underpants...
05:28.17Thunder_Childhell, i do that at home all the time
05:28.21DagmarHey, I didn't even _have_ to make that one up
05:28.53HirsuteDagmar: Oh, I know.  the 13 year old in me can't help but thinking of diarrhea jokes when I see the phrase "exploding underpants" though.
05:29.03DagmarS'okay
05:29.21DagmarIf you *made* that joke in the airport, the TSA would body-cavity search you for it
05:29.35DagmarJust because you said "explode".
05:29.53HirsuteI'd hope that I had diarrhea, just to make it interesting.
05:30.07Wobin"Please don't poke me there... "
05:30.13DagmarI've seriously been dragged aside for telling a friend "Oh that track is _the_ bomb."
05:30.28Hirsute"You don't want to do that... just sayin'"
05:30.43Hirsute"No, really, I'm telling you, you'll be sorry if you do that."
05:30.58Hirsute<a few moments later>
05:31.20Hirsute"I *told* you.  I think I had some bad clams last night, man.  There's no way that could have ended well."
05:36.02DagmarIt should be taken as a sign that the country that pratically mass-produces exploding nutjobs doesn't do *any* of the shit the TSA does, and yet they don't have anyone getting on board their planes with explosives.
05:37.02DagmarLike, seriously, what freaking moron thinks it's acutally necessary to body scan goddamn pilots
05:37.04HirsuteWhy would the exploding nutjobs blow up their own planes?
05:37.15DagmarThey're already _allowed to carry a goddam handgun_ onto the plane
05:38.14bluspacecowclearly gay TSA guards
05:38.18bluspacecowlooking for a feel
05:38.30DagmarMight as well be asking the FDA to regulate on the high-sodium content of bags of rusty razor blades and broken glass.
05:38.52DagmarHirsute: In case you didn't notice, they're very into Jews blowing up other Jews there
05:39.30Dagmar...and Moslems blowing up other Moslems, and Jews blowing up Moslems, and Moslems blowing up Jews, and children blowing up baloons that explode and spray kittens everywhere.
05:40.37DagmarThe fundamental difference is that Israelis give _everyone_ the stink-eye at every possible chance.
05:40.56DagmarThey're all trained to watch you like the guy on Lie To Me, because it freaking works.
05:41.08HirsuteSpeaking of nutjobs... someone in my clinic today (not my patient, but he left his notes behind) was applying pseudo-advanced mathematics and line diagrams to prove not only the existence of angels and heaven, but also to illustrate exactly how many angels there are allowed to be at any given time and why that quota is too restrictive.
05:41.41bluspacecow....
05:41.45kd3o_O
05:41.48DagmarNothing involving say, the maximum safe occupational limit of the heads of pins?
05:41.48bluspacecowis he special ?
05:42.17Thunder_Childbluspacecow: if he can prove it, quite special
05:42.21DagmarDepending on how wild his math was it might not have been about angels at all
05:42.25HirsuteDagmar: No, that would have been awesome.  Page after page of "Seraphim quota" and "Too restrictive quotients"
05:42.47HirsuteDagmar: He labelled everything, so he was either writing in code, or it was about angels.
05:42.52DagmarFax it to the Vatican.
05:42.54Dagmar:)
05:43.02HirsuteAnd yes.  Most of my patients are, I work in a psychiatry clinic.
05:43.07DagmarHell, fax it to me, I can tell you.
05:43.25DagmarHeh
05:43.40HirsuteAnd it wasn't really advanced mathematics, he just used a lot of calculus *symbols* to obtain results not obtainable with calculus.
05:43.49DagmarSome of the stuff the Rosicrucians did was more about mathematics than religion
05:44.13DagmarAh, so... probably nuts then.  Or simply amusing himself.
05:44.41HirsuteOh, he clearly had some flavor of schizophrenia, from the papers he left behind.
05:45.39DagmarI got some hard questions from a teacher in high school once because she snooped on my papers and discovered a rather fantasic account of conspiracy and sabotage in my bags
05:46.11DagmarHonestly, I'd written five pages of whacked out crap because I was trying to get the hang of a font I'd seen.
05:46.39Dagmars/fantasic/fantastic/;
05:47.02DagmarPretty easy to prove nothing's going on tho when there turns out to not be a tunnel carved into an exterior wall tho.  Heh
05:47.50Hirsute*nod*  If I'd found these papers anywhere but a psych clinic, I wouldn't consider them solid evidence of schizophrenia, as they could just be someone screwing around.  In a psych clinic, however, you've already eliminated everyone who would have just been screwing around.
05:48.20DagmarHmm... Maybe not elminated, but definitely eclipsed by the possibilty of serious nutbaggery
05:50.00Hirsute*shrug* I suppose it's possible that someone would set up an appointment with a psychiatrist just to screw around with them.  That might not end well, though.
05:50.25Dagmar...or inexpensively.
05:52.02HirsuteDefinitely not inexpensively.
05:52.35DagmarI think we call those people "eccentric", actually.
05:57.59DagmarI don't suppose anyone knows if they plan on breaking the world this weekend, do they?
05:58.16DagmarI don't really feel like pinata-whacking tonight
05:58.24airtonixhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_Night_on_Earth:_The_Zombie_Game
05:58.42DagmarOh wait, who'm I kidding... Ironforge doesn't even fully work righ yet
05:59.02airtonixwait you still play wow ?
05:59.30airtonixi dont understand how wow will prepare you for the zombie invasion
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06:34.45Kraps"Experience required to gain levels 71 through 80 is being reduced by 20%."
06:34.56Krapsfuckin A
06:35.11Jerubwin.
06:35.20JerubKraps: in which patch? 4.0.3a or 4.0.3 ?
06:35.32Kraps4.0.3a
06:38.22Krapshttp://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/134463/to-the-forum-banned-players blue ftw
06:43.02ZorbaBetaraise your hand if you're surprised
06:43.14Krapswut http://fortune.worldofwarcraft.com/en_us/home.html
06:44.15Krapswtf facebook
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06:54.49DagmarKraps: Hey at least in this one case we don't have to worry about who the hell Facebook is turning our information over to
06:57.04DagmarOH MY!  http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1074097942
06:57.05tardmrris freenode having connection issues or am I having connection issues?
06:57.12Dagmartardmrr: Probably just you
06:57.17PredicateSeems fine here.
06:57.50tardmrrI haven't been having connection issues to any other service tonight
06:57.57DagmarI guess that bug sort of makes up for pets instantating with random levels of health
06:58.00tardmrrwhich is why I was speculating that maybe there was something up with freenode
06:58.09tardmrrbut I guess there's just something between me and freenode
06:58.09Krapsthese are actually pretty good http://fortune.worldofwarcraft.com/en_us/contest_video/review.html#
06:59.47Mr_Rabiesi was pretty surprised in the quality of the voice acting in such short notice on those videos
07:00.04DagmarSome of us just sound good.
07:00.51Dagmar...although I suspect the short notice thing brings out the people who were already doing something similar.
07:01.08DagmarI mean, out of twelve million people a few of them are probably already doing something useful with themselves.  ;)
07:02.06Predicate"Useful"?
07:02.06krkaheh http://notalwaysright.com/spelling-gone-rogue/8515
07:02.09Mr_Rabiesi mean they had a video written, recorded, encoded, and voice acted in a matter of hours
07:02.11Krapsyeah, they look like experienced machinamators made them
07:02.16Mr_Rabieswith pretty reasonable results
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07:02.45DagmarVoice acting is easier than it sounds.  No pun intended.
07:03.36Mr_Rabiesi've had this video of an interview that i've been trying for probably a month now how to split in 2 for youtube purposes for the life of me
07:04.10Mr_Rabiesugh i cut some stuff out of that sentence and it exploded
07:04.12DagmarEither you have a talent for it, or you stay a studio engineer.  ;)
07:04.44Mr_Rabiesi'm trying to avoid actually converting the video as much as i can
07:05.53Mr_Rabiesi've gone from DVD to h264 and i'm afraid i'll ruin the video quality converting it to load into something else because i'm functionally retarded when it comes to video editing sometimes
07:06.04DagmarI like the kill the gnome.
07:06.09Mr_Rabiesit just amazes me the speed some of these guys can hammer stuff out
07:06.17airtonixPredicate, as in not "ploting world domination"
07:06.39airtonixplotting
07:07.06DagmarMr_Rabies: Only at low bit rates or by doing something ill-advised with a deinterlacer/detelecine can you generally ruin _digital_ recordings.
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07:07.58Mr_Rabiesof course i'm also dreading having to rip, convert, and split vobsubs to .srts for youtube :[ i'm too lazy for this crap but the interview is pretty interesting for fans of the director being interviewed
07:08.11DagmarSome friends of mine back years ago wanted to mock a particular music rights exec for yammering about the dangers of perfect digital recordings, so they tried to expose loss problems by re-encoding a segment of audio, over and over.
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07:08.51Dagmar100 iterations later, you could barely tell the difference because a human voice barely takes enough bandwith out of 128k
07:09.16DagmarTo get somewhere we had to drop the resolution and bitrates quite a bit
07:09.30Mr_Rabiesrepeated compression and decompression can seriously damage video especially
07:09.43DagmarAt insufficient bit rates, sure
07:09.52Mr_Rabiesyou should see some of these anime releases that wind up lasting for years on the internet
07:10.03Mr_Rabiesit ain't pretty
07:10.57Mr_Rabiesgot a couple from a subgroup so bad that they managed to somehow interlace vobsubs so i can't use subrip on them :(
07:11.34Dagmar_Repeatedly_ changing formats at insufficient bit rates will definitely ruin a file
07:12.09DagmarIf you're just going from h.264 to h.264 and not changing any parameters, it's not going to have much effect
07:12.34DagmarI have a _lot_ of stuff that records off my PVR, which used to have an MPG card in it, and now has a HD-PVR that spits out h.264
07:13.05DagmarFrom the highest bit-rate, you can get away with several re-compressions without losing anything you'll notice
07:13.15Mr_Rabieshow does this happen? this text should be solid and it's definitely not :( http://i.imgur.com/Qd0KK.jpg
07:13.22DagmarIt just depends on _not_ picking bad settings the first time around
07:13.35DagmarBad deinterlacing.
07:13.39Mr_Rabiesthat's how bad the subgroup was
07:13.49DagmarHeck... let's not mince words... failed deinterlacing
07:13.56krkaby reencoding something with the same settings, wouldn't you get the same thing back?
07:14.07Mr_Rabiesthey're soft vobsubs though, they shouldn't even touch the subs
07:14.07Dagmarkrka: That's part of it
07:14.23krkaenc(x) == enc(dec(enc(x))
07:14.24DagmarThose new numbers really fit right in neatly with the old numbers if you use the same math to get tehre
07:14.26krkashould be anyway
07:14.39krkaassuming the encoding method isn't crappy
07:14.50Mr_Rabiesthe subs incidentally make my wdtv live throw a fit and refuse to display subs after a couple lines, it's awesome
07:14.56Mr_Rabiesso i go to subrip them and see that
07:14.56DagmarIt's all about "teh lossy"
07:15.04DagmarHow lossy determines how much you lose each pass
07:15.35Mr_RabiesI can notice loss pretty well on my projector when it comes to video
07:15.53Maldiviamorning
07:16.12Mr_Rabiesi can pretty easily tell when something's been properly mastered in hd versus upscaling
07:16.19DagmarThe biggest things i've seen go wrong have been with how the encoder handled fast-motion
07:16.30Dagmar...which is pretty much an "insufficient bitrate" problem
07:16.53krkait's not really about how much data is discarded
07:17.08krkait's about the encoder design
07:17.09DagmarMost of the time you don't really "see" it because well, stuff is moving fast, so it can get away with lower accuracy
07:17.18Dagmar...but the more times that happens the more it magnifies
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07:17.47krkadepends on the encoding algorithm, but yeah, usually
07:18.01DagmarSo... _different_ encoders will just freaking murder you there, because they've all got a different idea about what's important to keep and what's important to gloss over
07:18.12krkafor instance, i could device an encoding algorithm that simply dropped every odd second
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07:18.25krkait would be the same regardless of how many times i ran it
07:18.29krkaassuming i ran it atleast once
07:18.34DagmarYou can pretty much do that from the command line with ffmpeg
07:18.38DagmarHehe
07:18.48Mr_Rabiesdifferent frame rates are a huge source of terrible fast-motion when it comes to anime and stuff i've seen
07:18.59DagmarChanging the frame rate is satan
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07:19.04Mr_Rabieswhen people handle telecine and pulldown and stuff in bad ways
07:19.04DagmarDon't do it ever if you can help it.
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07:19.23DagmarI leave telecine the hell alone.
07:19.26Fiskerbrr
07:19.27Fiskerbrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
07:19.54DagmarI worry more about whether or not whatever _player_ I'm going to use the output on can make the right decisions about which frames to show.  I really learned my lesson there.
07:19.57Mr_Rabiesthe alternative is looking crazy jerky on stuff from other regions than your own, sometimes though dagmar
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07:20.33DagmarI was trying to encode this Terry Pratchett movie to my media station, and it opens with this massive scene of a giant turtle floating through space...
07:20.50DagmarPlayed on the DVD player, which played the _right_ frames, it was smooth as glass.
07:21.05DagmarMe screwing around trying to force it through re-encoding just mucked it up
07:21.12DagmarJudder, judder, and more judder.
07:21.33Mr_Rabiesluckily there's a demand for higher quality video and people with more skill than myself so that problem's almost alleviated
07:21.56Dagmar...but every player I've got seems to be able to figure out how to play them back fine, so I don't try to de-telecine or de-interlace ever
07:21.56Mr_Rabiesi mostly just smash my face into handbrake and a few other programs and hope for the best
07:22.30DagmarI was using handbrake, and then transcode stopped doing h.264 in mythTV correctly
07:22.44DagmarI had to actually sit down and figure out the rest of it
07:22.59Mr_Rabiesi can do some amazingly broken things when it comes to conversion
07:23.18DagmarYeah I was pretty much learning from my own failure as well
07:23.36Mr_Rabiesmy receiver can't support AAC, and the WDTV live does passthrough for AAC above 2 channels
07:23.39DagmarINFURIATING it is when you're having to wait a bloody hour to see if your test worked
07:23.52Mr_Rabiesso i went to convert a movie's audio to AC3 5.1
07:23.58Mr_Rabiesworked perfectly fine for almost an hour
07:24.00cbreak_workDagmar: be happy you're not doing genetical engineering
07:24.01Mr_Rabiesand then dead silence
07:24.38Dagmarcbreak: As far as I know the gruntwork of that is done in simulation and experiments are run in parallel
07:24.41Mr_Rabieshell of way to ruin a movie :(
07:24.51DagmarI can't exactly keep turning on ALL my computers.  The power company would complain.
07:25.05cbreak_workDagmar: yes, it's high bandwidth, but it is also high latency
07:25.16DagmarI'm sure.
07:25.23DagmarI used to garden.
07:25.38DagmarI am a sucker for crossbreeding plants.
07:25.55cbreak_workyou're responsible for the famous man eating mandarine?
07:26.20DagmarNo but it did occur to me that maybe I should have specifically useful goals in mind beyond "I wonder what *these* would look like"
07:26.46cbreak_work"I wonder how it will taste"
07:27.24DagmarI was growing flowers, not edibles.
07:27.47cbreak_workseems pointless :/
07:28.24DagmarYeah well, you read a lot of science fiction as a kid and suddenly the idea of deliberately mutating plants doesn't seem so abnormal
07:28.57airtonixDagmar, does mythtv and xbmc use same video player backend ?
07:28.57Dagmar"It's not like I'm Dr. Moreau... they're just plants"
07:28.58DagmarHehe
07:29.11Dagmarairtonix: Not that I'm aware of.
07:29.25airtonixDagmar, does mythtv provide something xbmc doesn't ?
07:29.26Dagmarairtonix: They might be using the same ffmpeg lib tho
07:29.49Dagmarairtonix: I've been using it for awhile and I abhor X-Boxes
07:29.59DagmarI have the thing looking like LCARS here.
07:30.03airtonixDagmar, xbmc doesn't work on xbox anymore
07:30.20airtonixDagmar, only works on windows or linux
07:30.22Dagmarairtonix: Yes, so why would I actually want to use anything even remotely associated with it tho
07:30.57airtonixDagmar, have you tried using Elisa ?
07:31.00DagmarThere comes a time when you definitely get sick of tweaking the PVR and decide to just start watching TV with it
07:31.21DagmarYou know, the thing you intended to do in the first place before you spent $600 on more hardware for it.  Hehe
07:31.40DagmarNever heard of Elisa
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07:32.06Dagmardear god it runs on gstreamer?
07:32.07DagmarNo.
07:32.11DagmarNo thank you.
07:32.20airtonixwhats wrong with that ?
07:32.28airtonix"works fine for me (tm)"
07:32.35DagmarBecause it's failure states are just hatefully gnomic
07:32.49DagmarAnd I don't mean 'GNOME'
07:32.57airtonixi smell hatecrime
07:33.17DagmarGNOME I like.
07:33.31DagmarThings which just go 'Error 0' and die... not so much
07:33.33airtonixthere is another one called loungeroom i think
07:33.38airtonixor is it entertainment
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07:57.37ShirikCide
07:57.40Shirikwtf are you doing up at this time
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07:58.49Krapsis currently listening to Revis - Caught In The Rain
07:59.05CideShirik: it's 9am!
07:59.11Shiriktoo early
07:59.15Cideagreed
07:59.27Cideapparently my gf and her friend need help with numerical analysis
07:59.35Cideso I have to get up to help them study
07:59.36Cide-_-
08:01.20Cidewhat are you doing up Shirik
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08:01.29Shirikwhy not
08:02.13CideI don't know
08:02.24CideI was just making conversation
08:02.33Shirikso was I
08:02.34Cideshoot me
08:02.40ShirikI think I'm sick
08:02.45Cide:/
08:02.59ShirikI'm coughing a lot and my throat feels like crap
08:03.17Shirikand right before thanksgiving yay!
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08:03.27KrapsShirik: http://fortune.worldofwarcraft.com/en_us/contest_video/review.html#
08:03.28Cidewell I don't celebrate thanksgiving so you don't have to either
08:03.31Krapser
08:03.38KrapsShirik: http://store.steampowered.com/app/62000/
08:04.12Cideawesome?!
08:05.00Shiriknice Kraps
08:05.23Krapsshould help a bit
08:05.52Shirikhelp?
08:05.52Cideoh it's out?!
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08:06.43Krapskeep your mind off sickness
08:06.57KrapsCide: just a couple of hours ago
08:07.14Cidebest android game too
08:08.32ShirikDagmar: ping
08:10.30Cidepong
08:10.38ShirikYou are not Dagmar
08:10.51Cidewhile true, I too can tell random stories about how the feds are about to get me
08:10.55CideI thought that was why you pinged
08:11.01Shirikno
08:11.04Cideoh
08:11.08Cidethen I am no good a replacement
08:11.23Shirikyou are also no good a english either
08:11.54Cidehow was that poor english?
08:11.56ShirikI guess that's not very fair to a sweed
08:12.03Shirikwhat do I call people from sweeden?
08:12.04Cideswede*, silly nub
08:12.09Shirikwhy the hell
08:12.14Shirikthen why isn't it sweden?
08:12.15Cidesweden*
08:12.18Shirikoh
08:12.23Cidedouble fail
08:12.42Cideis "then I am no good a replacement" not proper english?
08:12.50Shirikno
08:12.56NeoTronit's weird to think that I've lived 1/3rd of my life in the US now (and 2/3 in Sweden)
08:12.57Cidewhy not
08:13.04Shirik"not a good replacement" or "no good as a replacement"
08:13.42Cidedamn!
08:14.24ShirikWant to see something confusing Cide?
08:14.39Cidesure
08:14.54Shirikhttp://wowtcgdb.com/carddetail.aspx?id=1138
08:15.02ShirikHaving two of these out at a time (one for each player)
08:16.52Cidethat seems weird
08:17.22Cidedo the rules resolve recursion hell?
08:17.27Shirikyes
08:17.31Cidetoo abd
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08:17.32Cidebad
08:17.43ShirikIt has several rules for infinite loops
08:17.51Shirikand then another rule that basically says "if none of that worked, the game is a draw"
08:18.00Shirikbut one of them does work
08:18.09Cidealways?
08:18.14the-golemlulz
08:18.23the-golemCide has me in stitches >.<
08:18.24Shirikwell not always
08:18.26Shirikbut in this case
08:18.45CideI do?
08:18.51Shirik803.3 If a loop of mandatory actions involves one or more triggered effects, and no player is able and willing to break it, one full iteration must first be performed. Then, the player that controlled the first triggered effect in that loop must choose a number greater than 1 million. That number (X) is
08:18.51Shirikthe number of additional times the loop starts, ending just before that effect triggers for the Xth additional time. That effect doesn’t trigger that time, and play proceeds normally from there.
08:19.05ShirikI especially like the limit of 1 million
08:19.14Cidewtf
08:19.26Cidethat's really weird
08:19.32Cideas a lower limit
08:19.53ShirikThey like to use 1 million as their version of infinity
08:19.54Corrodiasi suppose that ensures that... any side-effects are carried out to their natural conclusion? like damage?
08:20.00Shirikit's not the only time it shows up in the rules
08:20.19Corrodiasmaybe it's just to be funny
08:20.25the-golemOdd.
08:20.39Shirik104.1 Players asked to choose “any number” can choose 0 or any positive integer. Players can’t choose a fractional or infinite numeric value. If a card requires an infinite numeric value, its controller chooses any positive integer greater than 1 million.
08:21.41the-golemWording should be "non-negative integer" *hur hur*
08:21.50Cidedo they not know that (X) is in reality just (X) % 2?
08:22.34ShirikIt's not even that
08:22.38Shirikall numbers are identical in this case
08:22.44Shirikbecause it's always a full loop iteration
08:23.11FiskerShirik
08:23.15Fiskeri once killed a guy
08:23.35Shirikdid he take 1 million damage?
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08:24.06Cideoh wtf
08:24.08Cidethat's even funnier
08:24.17Cideare they crazy?
08:24.52Shirikwho?
08:24.57Corrodiasi once killed a man just to see him draw another card
08:24.58Cidethe authors
08:25.16ShirikI'm confused :/
08:25.30Cidewhy would you invent some random "pick a number over 1 million" if in reality it does nothing
08:25.48ShirikBecause it might do something in another case?
08:25.53ShirikThis is a global rule not specific to this card
08:26.17ShirikIt applies to any condition where "a loop of mandatory actions involves one or more triggered effects, and no player is able and willing to break it"
08:26.20Cideso if each iteration does something in another instance
08:26.26Cidewhy does it have to be over one million
08:26.33Cideand wouldn't that end up in absolutely ridiculous effects
08:26.37Shirikwell
08:26.44Shirikthat's what happens when you do something stupid :P
08:26.45Cideunless it's just the remainder of mod 2 or something in that instance
08:26.49Cidewhich brings us back to "why"
08:27.09Shirikthey're trying to bring out the effect of infinity while still making the game playable
08:27.18Shirikthere has to be a way to break out of it
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08:27.25Cidewell if you don't know math you're screwed
08:27.29Shirikbut preferably if you get into a loop you want it to resolve like it was a loop
08:27.36Shiriktoo bad P
08:27.36Cide"how do I know what happens after 198539285239582 loops?!"
08:27.37Shirik:P
08:27.39Shiriklearn math
08:28.00Cidehas anyone else noticed my "random number" typing tends to favor a lot of 8's?
08:28.10ShirikIf your opponent fails to do math properly and puts the game into an invalid and uncorrectable game state, he forefeits
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08:28.31Cide^ i liek
08:28.41CideI hope but don't believe that's a real rule
08:29.58Shirikit would be a penalty guideline
08:29.59ShirikI'm checking it now
08:31.41airtonixinspects Shirik
08:31.47airtonixsnaps latex gloves
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08:32.27Fiskerairtonix
08:32.32Fiskeryou are not a free man
08:32.38Fiskernor gordon freeman
08:32.38airtonixFisker, i know...
08:32.42Shirikow
08:32.46Shirikok my head just exploded CIde
08:32.51Shirikboth players would receive a warning
08:33.14Cidewhen
08:33.16Cide?
08:33.24Shirik"GE1 - Game Error" warning for the player that misplayed after failing to do math
08:33.39Shirik"GE4 - Failure to maintain game state" warning for the player that didn't correct the player that sucks at math
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08:33.58Cideis "failing to do math" actually in the rules?
08:34.03Shirikwell no
08:34.07Cidetoo bad
08:34.08ShirikI'm saying you might do something wrong if you suck at math
08:34.10Cidethat would have been awesome
08:34.22Shirikwhich would be either a GE1 or GE2
08:34.25Cidewell can you do something wrong by picking a wrong number?
08:34.35Cideor is it just that you can't figure out what to do in the first place if you suck
08:36.06ShirikWell if you do something wrong that's a game error
08:36.16ShirikIf you can't figure out what to do.... well.... stop sucking
08:36.25ShirikYou have to decide eventually
08:37.28Cideyeah, I suppose
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08:38.53Fiskeri just cut myself Shirik
08:41.46zenzio"Deathwing hates trees."
08:43.38Shirikok seriously need to get some tylenol
08:45.10Shirikback
08:45.12Shirikdid you miss me?
08:45.17ShirikI know you did
08:45.33Fiskerslaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout
08:45.48KalrothI missed Fisker
08:47.17CideI missed you
08:49.13Fiskeri came
08:52.02zenziothis looks pretty cool, except it looks like he's learned how to wield weapons from Steven Seagal: http://media.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2010/november/ss1200.jpg
08:58.15airtonixlooks like he is using rough cut stones instead of daggers
08:58.45airtonixand he looks stinky
08:59.06airtonixis his name rawlf
08:59.14Xyphoidisn't that supposed to be a noose on the t10 chest anyway
09:05.30ShirikFiskerFiskerFiskerFiskerFiskerFiskerFiskerFiskerFiskerFiskerFiskerFiskerFiskerFiskerFiskerFiskerFiskerFisker
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09:11.27Cideumad Shirik?
09:11.34Shirikyes actually
09:11.37Shirikbut that is irrelevant
09:13.38greppyhttp://notalwaysright.com/spelling-gone-rogue/8515
09:14.03ShirikI just accidentally came across the most epic cybersquatting ever
09:14.15ShirikI wanted to go to walmart.com but accidentally typed walmart.cm
09:14.19ShirikCheck out where it goes
09:14.35Cidehahaha
09:14.37Cidethat's amazing
09:15.14Shirikalso
09:15.21Shirikthey managed to secure business as a result
09:15.31ShirikI now realize that amazon restocked cataclysm and also has release-date delivery
09:15.34Shirikso /me buys
09:15.45Shirik(cataclysm collector's edition was sold out by them 2 weeks ago)
09:16.19Cidewhy not purchase online?
09:16.23Cideand give blizzard the $$$
09:16.28Cideor is it vastly more expensive
09:16.30Shirikbecause I want collector's edition
09:16.37CideI thought you said it was sold out
09:16.41Shirikit was
09:16.42Shirikand now it's not
09:16.45Cideah
09:16.46Cideneat
09:18.44ZorbaBetashirik, <3 for telling me that :D
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09:25.11the-golemI didn't even know .cm was a valid tld ^_^
09:25.44the-golem(fyi, its cameroon)
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09:29.08FiskerShirik
09:29.19ShirikFisker
09:29.20industrialI use some aliases for ls like alias ls='ls --color=auto' alias ll='ls -lFGh' alias l='ll -A' and I'm happy with that but I'd still like more customization. I'd love for ls to sort things differently
09:29.23ShirikI once killed a guy
09:29.24industrialfirst all .dirs, then all normal dirs, then all .files then all normal files
09:29.31Fiskeroh ok Shirik
09:29.32industrialsorted alphabetically each
09:29.34Fiskerbut just one thing Shirik
09:29.39industrialHow would I do this?
09:29.41Fiskeramazon sold out
09:29.52Fiskeryou won't get CE
09:30.03industrialFisker: your sister sold out, I am in the waiting line now
09:30.22Shirikgets in behind industrial
09:30.32Fiskershe's sold out
09:30.37Fiskerso you're waiting in line for nothing
09:30.38Fiskern00bs
09:31.09industrialI'll just make an appointment for later
09:31.15industrialShirik: any idea?
09:31.24Fiskerbtw
09:31.34Fiskerthere's like 10 minutes of promo and intros with Hot Pursuit
09:31.40zenziohttp://roflrazzi.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/graduate_life.jpg?w=400&h=517
09:31.47Fiskerknowing EA completing Hot Pursuit will take less than 10 minutes
09:31.48ShirikFisker's right though
09:31.53ShirikAmazon is sold out
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09:32.04Fiskeri'm always right Shirik
09:32.05industrialzenzio: truth :)
09:32.06Kalrothzenzio: too true :(
09:32.07Fiskerenjoy not getting the CE
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09:34.01Fiskerstrokes his Cataclysm CE
09:34.20Shirikor I'll just order from one of the 5 million other places that still has it
09:34.46Fiskereven though they don't
09:35.04FiskerBecause shops oversell
09:35.20FiskerWhy say you are sold out when you can dash the hopes of millions of players by saying you still have it?
09:36.00Shiriknow you're just being stupid
09:36.27nev-mobileAnd you're surprised?
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09:40.33FiskerI didn't realize the truth was stupid Shirik
09:43.26Fiskerso Shirik
09:43.31Fiskerwhy do you hate the truth so much?
09:51.09msoulHmm
09:51.24msoulSo hasre > int for a resto shammyie?
09:51.54msoulstopped at 75 will hit 80 hopefully by tomorrow or sunday tops
09:52.25nev-mobileInt supposedly is the best stat for all healers
09:52.34msouloh I see
09:52.41Fiskerhasre is pretty bad
09:52.46msoulto be truthful never played that role on my pally
09:52.49Fiskerit's not even a real stat
09:52.49nev-mobileBut i only really know about druids
09:53.02msoulfair enough
09:53.18msoulI've seen some profiles and read about it
09:54.11msoulI'm sure you're right, just wanted to check if you have a high-end gear scenario or doesn't matter
09:54.23msoulthat haste becomes more valuable than int
09:55.26nev-mobilecheck elitistjerks, i'm sure they have a summary for shamans like they do for druids
09:55.54msoulcoming-soon
09:55.56msoulchecked
09:56.21nev-mobileHeh
09:56.22msoulsec let me double check
09:56.42nev-mobileEj is blocked here from work, so cant look myself. :(
09:58.26Kalrothowned
09:58.37msoulsorry it was the enhancement thread that was to be added pve spec/rotation + add healing spells
09:58.44msoulin class atm
09:59.30msouldon't see anything about stat-wise in resto's thread
09:59.44msoulcould be later pages that I can check atm :)
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10:00.42nev-mobileDruid has a thread with all the important data in first post, for like all specs, i figured you might be equally lucky: d
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10:01.49msoulhehe
10:02.37msoulit no biggie as im still lvling
10:02.41msoul75 atm
10:02.49msoulhaving so much fun with it
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11:37.18airtonix!whip
11:37.24airtonix:(
11:38.45msoulforgot to ask about thunderstorm :/
11:39.35msoulbbl
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12:22.43Wobinhahah http://www.johnnywander.com/
12:22.47Wobinthat's awesomely meta
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12:30.15MirrormnI don't get it
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12:30.43Mirrormnit seems like I get what I'm supposed to get but I don't get how to get it
12:30.47MirrormnHOW'S THAT FOR META
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12:48.46ComputerpunkIs there any addon which creates filter for major/prime/minor glyphs?
12:49.48Mirrormndoesn't the default glyph ui do that?
12:52.44Spejnarehm, it does, yes
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13:02.04ZasurusCrap... managed to scrue the beta version I had installed and now I can't find the download for the beta any more :o Does anyone have a copy of the beta downloader I can get?
13:02.16ZasurusOr the location of where I can download it
13:03.20WobinMirrormn: the girl artist in the comic is the artist of the comic
13:03.33nev-mobileYour profile on battle.net
13:04.13ZasurusYer i see the download for the live version but there is just a "PTR Character Copy" link on the Beta one :|
13:04.20ZasurusDoes your profile have it?
13:05.11ZasurusIgnore me! FOund it.. there is a second place to get them both! :D
13:06.38Bluspacecow>_:>
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13:06.47Bluspacecowoh hai loppy !
13:06.51Bluspacecowmr Bunny!
13:06.51ZasurusAparently you can click on the game version and there is a link in there for live (which is where I got the beta originally) but now the beta one isn't there it's only on the main account page
13:06.52Lopeppeppy*kiss kiss*
13:07.00LopeppeppyHeya, Bluspacecow!  How does?
13:07.03Bluspacecow~Bunny Lopeppeppy
13:07.08BluspacecowI r at work
13:07.12Bluspacecowits quiet
13:07.14Bluspacecow:)
13:08.13LopeppeppyWhy am I bunnied?
13:08.21LopeppeppyIs it good to be a bunny, versus a rawrasaur?
13:08.30MirrormnWobin: yeah I get that
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13:08.35Bluspacecowyour nick reminds me of a puppy
13:08.43Bluspacecowi mean a puppy
13:08.45Bluspacecowa bunny
13:08.46nev-mobileBunnys are cute and fluffy?
13:08.48angayellehai peoplez, i'm passing bye
13:08.48Lopeppeppy... *laugh*
13:08.49Bluspacecow>_<
13:08.50Bluspacecownvm
13:08.56LopeppeppyWell, I'm a fox, not a rabbit.  I promise.
13:09.09Bluspacecow>_>
13:09.10MirrormnWobin: but I don't get why it is being depicted, except for because it is being depicted
13:09.11Bluspacecowclever
13:09.22LopeppeppyExtremely clever, which is why I be it.
13:10.12LopeppeppyThis song is stuck in my head... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82_bhD0_Trw
13:12.07MirrormnI guess the real problem I have with the comic is that if you were actually hiccuping while you were trying to draw yourself hiccuping, you would stop drawing, because you wouldn't be able to draw yourself hiccuping if you were actually hiccuping
13:12.32WobinI hear Lopeppeppy is a stone cold fox
13:12.35Mirrormnnot even if you were trying to draw yourself hiccuping as if you were hiccuping while you were drawing it
13:12.42LopeppeppyHiccups are only every few seconds, you can draw around it...
13:12.46Wobinalthough I'm not sure why she wouldn't rug up more, if so
13:12.48Mirrormnyeah, exactly
13:12.53LuliaPeppy is awesome!
13:12.54LopeppeppyWobin, it is indeed VERY chilly here.  Rugs or not.
13:13.02Lopeppeppycuddles Lulia. Yay for awesome-sauce!
13:13.09Lulia:)
13:13.19Wobinah, but you -wouldn't- stop drawing while hiccuping
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13:13.31Wobinif you were trying to portray that you were hiccupping while drawing
13:13.55LopeppeppyThat would be interesting... such straggly lines.
13:14.02Wobinin a slightly more 4th wall method
13:14.13WobinLopeppeppy: http://www.johnnywander.com/
13:15.02LuliaThis is creepy, Peppy :(
13:15.24Mirrormnif you wanted to portray that you were hiccuping while drawing, you would just draw yourself hiccuping
13:15.40ZasurusOi none english ppl... ;-) Anyone know if the beta can be installed in any other languages?
13:15.53angayelleLopecreepy ?
13:15.56Cairenn|afkor you could always change it up a bit and sneeze instead
13:16.19LopeppeppyWhy am I creepy?  Eeeeps.
13:16.20WobinMirrormn: You're missing the whole meta =P
13:16.21Mirrormnthe only thing all the errors do is kind of say "hey, this would be happening if I was actually hiccuping while I was drawing this!", but the problem is, that's not actually what would be happening
13:16.22angayellemy beta got installed in french, even if my regular client was in english
13:16.26WobinShe's the artist
13:16.26Mirrormnno, like I said
13:16.28Wobindrawing herself
13:16.31Wobinhiccuping
13:16.33MirrormnI get what I'm supposed to get
13:16.34Wobinwhile hiccuping
13:16.37MirrormnI just don't get how to get it =/
13:16.37angayellenekkid
13:16.44WobinThat's all there is
13:16.47Wobinit's -meta-
13:17.02Mirrormnyeah, but it's only meta for the sake of being meta, and for no other reason
13:17.17Mirrormnit doesn't actually tie into itself, it just says that it's supposed to
13:17.19WobinSince when does being meta -ever- have any reason aside from being meta?
13:17.33WobinThat's the whole -point- of meta
13:18.10LuliaI didn't say you were creepy, Peppy. I said the song was :P
13:18.12WobinIt ties into itself, because that's -her- doing the drawing of the comic you're seeing
13:18.15Mirrormnmaybe it's actually *too* meta for me to understand
13:18.34Mirrormnbut, wobin, if she actually *was* hiccuping while drawing, she would stop drawing
13:18.43Mirrormnbecause she wouldn't want her drawing to be messed up
13:18.43WobinMirrormn: why?
13:18.49Wobin...
13:18.56WobinI...
13:18.58Wobinbut..
13:19.05Mirrormnso the errors are totally forced
13:19.08WobinDid you -not- see the same comic I did?
13:19.11Mirrormnyes
13:19.31WobinThen you can see... that... the... uh.. drawing ... is well... messed up?
13:19.41WobinMaybe you should go learn what meta means
13:19.47MirrormnI mean, obviously, the errors in the actual drawing are placed there to *imply* that the actual artist was hiccuping while drawing, right?
13:20.12WobinThey actually seem pretty close to what hiccup errors would be
13:20.27Mirrormnthey're far too precise
13:20.28WobinBut still
13:20.32Wobinok
13:20.35Adys~pinf
13:20.36Adys~ping
13:20.36purl~pong
13:20.38Mirrormnand even if you did make such an error, *you would start over*
13:20.40Wobinyou're deliberately ignoring the point to be an arse
13:20.40LopeppeppyOh.  Yes, the song is very eerie, Lulia.
13:20.46WobinI can dig that
13:20.49Wobincarry on
13:20.50Mirrormnlol
13:20.58Wobinnods at Mirrormn
13:21.13MirrormnI'm not deliberately ignoring the point, I'm saying the point seems forced to me which makes the whole connection fall apart
13:21.29Mirrormnit's like
13:21.30WobinYes, I agree, it's very meta! =)
13:21.47WobinThe whole fourth wall reference was neatly done
13:21.55Mirrormnhave you ever heard the riddle with 100 perfect logicians?
13:22.18WobinThey proved black is white and got run over at the next zebra crossing?
13:22.21Mirrormnno
13:22.27WobinWell, they should've
13:22.28LuliaPeppy, I got denied for another job yesterday. :(
13:22.34WobinLulia: =(
13:22.59Mirrormnthere's 100 perfect logicians, and one of them has their forehead painted blue
13:23.22Mirrormnthey are all lead into the same room
13:23.36Mirrormnthey're not allowed to talk to each other at all
13:23.42Mirrormnor communicate in any way
13:23.45Wobinwell that's silly
13:23.51Mirrormnhey, it's a riddle
13:23.54Mirrormnjust run with it
13:24.12Mirrormnso once every logician can see every other one, the lights in the room are shut off
13:24.17Mirrormnso none of them can see
13:24.20LopeppeppyRawr, Lulia.  Don't give up!
13:24.39Mirrormnand during that time, every logician who can logically conclude that their forehead is painted blue leaves the room
13:24.58Mirrormner, I think I forgot one premise
13:25.21Mirrormnthey are all told beforehand that *at least* one of their foreheads is painted blue
13:25.26Mirrormnbut it could be more than one
13:25.42LuliaI don't know what else I can do. It feels like I've applied to every place in the area that's hiring. :(
13:26.01Mirrormnso the riddle is, how many times must the lights be turned off and on for there to be no logicians left in the room
13:26.15LopeppeppyApply to the ones you WANT to work at.  Sometimes having your resume on file already will be helpful when they DO hire.
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13:26.44Mirrormnthe answer is 100 times
13:26.51Mirrormnand after the 100th time, they all leave together
13:27.15Lopeppeppy"How many times must I ask you to call me Elizabeth?"  "At least once more, Miss Swan, same as always."
13:27.26Cairenn|afkAs you wish
13:27.31Mirrormnand the proof of the answer involves induction from the case of 2 logicians in a room
13:27.57LuliaI have overdue bills, I have to apply to everywhere, not just where I want to. The sad part is if I had a car, I'd have a job by now.
13:28.02LuliaBut I need a job to get a car :P
13:28.10Wobinand to pay for one
13:28.35LopeppeppyDon't just apply places that are hiring, is my point.  Apply to other places you might not normally consider.
13:28.47WobinLopeppeppy: Now I have that song stuck in my head
13:29.14LopeppeppyI warned you that it was stuck in mine, Wobin!  *hug*
13:29.16Mirrormnbut the whole point of what I'm trying to say is that the solution to that riddle depends on all of the "perfect logicians" in the puzzle must already know the solution to the problem in which they are participating
13:29.26Mirrormnso the solution doesn't work unless you already know the solution
13:29.33Mirrormnand that's how that comic feels to me
13:29.44Mirrormnit doesn't work unless you already assume that it works
13:30.22Wobinwell, they're perfect, aren't they?
13:30.28Mirrormnyes
13:30.34Wobinqed
13:30.46Mirrormnso, in theory, the solution does work
13:30.54Wobinand as does the comic
13:31.02Mirrormnbut you can't really arrive at a solution for yourself unless you already know the solution
13:31.12WobinThe solution is already there
13:31.29WobinBy searching for it, you have already lost your way
13:31.35WobinOmmmmmmmm
13:31.39MirrormnOmmmmmmmmm
13:32.33Mirrormnwell, in summation
13:32.41MirrormnI believe the comic is shallow and pedantic
13:32.53Mirrormnquite shallow and pedantic
13:34.40WobinWell, yes. It has no depth aside from a throwaway reference to Escher
13:34.45WobinBut it needs no depth
13:34.55Wobinand by nature, of hiccups, it -must- be pedantic
13:35.19LopeppeppySometimes, self-aware and trivial is just fine, for a web comic
13:35.31WobinElse hiccups would not be repetitive
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13:35.53WobinIt's not there to expand your mind into depths hereunto unknown
13:35.59WobinIt's meant to be funny =P
13:36.09Mirrormnokay, well
13:36.19MirrormnI thought it was forced, and therefore unfunny
13:36.20Wobin"Ho ho, enjoy schadenfreude at the artist's hiccups!"
13:36.23Mirrormnhow about them apples
13:36.45WobinI think you're trying to read far too much into what isn't there
13:36.48WobinLighten up a bit =P
13:37.00MirrormnI think you're giving it more credit than it deserves!
13:37.14WobinI'm giving it just about exactly all the credit it needs
13:37.28WobinI found it amusing (see 'hahah') and meta (see 'meta')
13:37.33MirrormnI love how we've both been discussing this for like half an hour
13:37.37WobinIt ticked all the boxes!
13:37.48Mirrormnwhen neither of us cares even close to that much
13:37.55Wobinwelcome to wowace =P
13:37.59Mirrormnand are just arguing for the sake of argument
13:38.04MirrormnAND THIS IS WOWUIDEV
13:38.07MirrormnI WIN THE ARGUMENT
13:38.08MirrormnYES
13:38.09Wobinoh so it is
13:38.13Wobinno you don't
13:38.18Mirrormnoh yes I did
13:38.23Wobinnope
13:38.37Wobin"welcome to wowace" wasn't an argument
13:38.41MirrormnI caught you in a tiny inconsistency and therefore everything you've ever said in your entire life can be summarily dismissed
13:38.42Bluspacecowno times infinity
13:38.43LopeppeppyChildren, do not make me stop this car.
13:38.43Wobinit was a misapplication
13:38.48BluspacecowHA HA !
13:38.53WobinMom, he's POKING ME
13:38.55Bluspacecowhmmm
13:38.58Bluspacecowi wonder
13:39.00Mirrormnno, wobin
13:39.04MirrormnI'M NOT TOUCHING YOOOU
13:39.05Bluspacecow~trout ~trout ~trout ~trout
13:39.06purlACTION slaps ~trout ~trout ~trout around a bit with a large trout!
13:39.10Bluspacecowdamn
13:39.26Bluspacecowthought i could make purl go into some sort of infinite recursion loop
13:39.34Wobinit's been tried many times
13:39.43Wobinpurl is pretty smart about it
13:39.56Mirrormnseems pretty dumb, really
13:40.07Wobin~lart Mirrormn
13:40.07purlgets a hotmal account and SPAMs Mirrormn
13:40.15Wobinhaha
13:40.22Wobin~botsnack
13:40.22purlaw, gee, Wobin
13:40.28Mirrormnif she was really smart she would say something like "purl slaps 4 anonymous people around a bit with large trouts"
13:40.44MirrormnI "hotmal" account? -.-
13:41.00Mirrormnthat must be some kind of Firefly fanboard
13:41.02Wobinwhy do that, when Bluspacecow asked her to slap ~trout ~trout ~trout with one?
13:41.08Bluspacecow~lart ME
13:41.08purlDoSes bluspacecow
13:41.29Mirrormnshe's out of juice =/
13:41.40Wobinnah, she doesn't like repeating herself
13:41.41LopeppeppyShe really hates to be pestered.
13:41.48Wobin~~
13:41.53Wobin~~~
13:42.08Wobinaw, someone removed them
13:42.21Mirrormn~trout someone who has been slapped around a bit with a large trout
13:42.21purlACTION slaps someone who has been slapped around a bit with a large trout around a bit with a large trout!
13:42.25nev-mobile~~~~
13:42.25purlARGH!!! STOP IT nev-mobile!!!
13:42.43Mirrormnyou're hurting her :(
13:42.45WobinI guess I didn't irritate long enough =P
13:42.46Adys~ping
13:42.46purl~pong
13:42.52Wobin~~~~~
13:42.52purlgrrrr
13:43.00Adys~test
13:43.00purlFailed!
13:43.07Adys... purl msging broken?
13:43.11Mirrormn~Adys
13:43.11purladys se fait habite en les etats unis
13:43.29nev-mobile~emulate adys
13:43.29purlOh shirik, oh shirik, how do you like my gigantic sexual device, shirik?
13:43.43LopeppeppyOooooh-kaaaaay
13:43.53Mirrormn~emulate Shirik
13:43.53purlI'll whine about anything
13:44.59Lopeppeppy~emulate Lopeppeppy
13:45.08LopeppeppyToo bad, I don't exist.
13:45.39nev-mobileWould be fun if it picked some random quote, but someone has to feed it
13:45.56LopeppeppyMust feed the bot.
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13:46.39Mirrormnwould be fun if it privately messaged someone who had recently talked in the channel to ask what to say
13:48.54Bluspacecow~emulate Bluspacecow
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13:52.11Kraps~emulate Kraps
13:56.44LopeppeppySong still stuck in my brain...
13:57.41KrapsHarry Potter got 76% but is certified fresh
13:57.45Krapswhat
13:58.10Lulia?
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13:58.35Krapshttp://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/harry_potter_and_the_deathly_hallows_part_i/
13:58.41rosco762Does this channel actually talk about WOW?
13:58.50zenziosometimes
13:59.00Krapsnever
13:59.03LopeppeppySometimes yes, rosco762.  But it's a social channel, so we talk about a lot of things.  :)
13:59.06rosco762I went to the primere of the deathly hallows this morning.
13:59.25LopeppeppyNo spoilers please, for those of us still waiting to go!  But I hope it was tons of fun.
13:59.41Bluspacecowi'm waiting
13:59.41rosco762It wa alot better than I thought.
13:59.43MirrormnKraps, are you surprised that it's that high or surprised that it's that low?
13:59.46Bluspacecowon the next one to come out
13:59.55Bluspacecowso i can watch both in sequence
13:59.56KrapsLopeppeppy: have you read the book?
13:59.58Bluspacecowhow long is it ?
14:00.11rosco762gulps down a few english muffins
14:00.11Bluspacecownot a huge fan of the book personally
14:00.23LopeppeppyOf course, Kraps.
14:00.26rosco762I've read them all.
14:00.51Bluspacecowbook(s)
14:00.57KrapsMirrormn: i dont think 76% is usually certified fresh
14:01.01rosco762SPOILER ALERT! It came out this morning!
14:01.28rosco762I hope that didn't ruin the movie.
14:01.29KrapsSNAPE KILLS DUMBLEDORE
14:01.33Mirrormnhmm
14:01.37Bluspacecowbut only because I've read some really good fanfictions from really good fanfiction authors who play around in her world much better then she does.
14:01.39rosco762that was last movie
14:01.51Krapsi know :p
14:02.00Bluspacecowfunky funky !
14:02.02MirrormnI think I may go see it today
14:02.08rosco762You should.
14:02.12Bluspacecow*rocks out to music*
14:02.17Bluspacecowhow long is it ?
14:02.20LopeppeppyI'm scheduled to see it tomorrow morning.
14:02.27MirrormnI always feel weird going to movies alone
14:02.33Krapsbluspacecow: "harry potter and the time of good intentions"
14:02.55KrapsRunning Time: 2 hr. 30 min.
14:03.02rosco762Now, I got back a 3:00AM got 4 hours of sleep and now I have to waist my day at college for the next 8 hours.
14:03.45rosco762HE WHO SHALL NOT BE NAMED IS REALLY VOLDIMORT!
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14:04.40rosco762Kinda caut you off guard didn't I?
14:04.49Bluspacecowreally ?
14:04.55Bluspacecowi thought it was Al Gore myself
14:05.03rosco762I know it's shoking huh
14:05.04Krapsoh snap
14:05.08MirrormnI thought it was Zalgo
14:05.11LopeppeppyNah, Al Gore was afraid to get into the Vanishing Cabinet, he is phobic.
14:05.16rosco762I thought it was Harry.
14:05.25Bluspacecow<PROTECTED>
14:05.31Krapswhat
14:05.32rosco762Or spider man
14:05.36LopeppeppyIt's always Harry!  Harry Hairy Harry.
14:05.45rosco762Or THE LICH KING!
14:05.51greppyHarry Dresden?
14:05.59rosco762Harry POtter!
14:06.03Mirrormnthere is a showing in 3 hours
14:06.16rosco762ok not over where i am
14:06.25Krapsthis calls for http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tx1XIm6q4r4
14:06.29rosco762gtg see you later
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14:11.49WobinKraps: I can totally see myself singing that during the movie if I ever watch it
14:12.54Bluspacecowhttp://www.youtube.com/potterpuppetpals
14:12.56Bluspacecowlolz
14:14.05LuliaI like how half of the reviews are how part 1 of the movie feels unfinished.
14:14.20LuliaMake it only 1 part and it's "too short" and skips too much.
14:14.34LuliaMake 2 parts and part 1 feels "unfinished"
14:14.37Lulia>.>
14:14.39LuliaPeople suck
14:15.03LuliaIt was like people complaining about the ending of the first LOTR movie.
14:16.21MirrormnI'm not sure that's a valid counter-argument
14:16.31LuliaHmm?
14:16.53Mirrormna while ago I read the 7th book with specific intention of seeing how well it could translate into a movie in two parts
14:17.05Mirrormn(I think this was shortly after it was announced the movies would be split)
14:17.20Wobinand you discovered it couldn't?
14:17.28Mirrormnand I recall identifying a place about halfway through the book that was serve as a fairly satisfying split point
14:17.43Mirrormniirc it was while they were burying dobby
14:18.30Mirrormnbecause that generally wraps up the first half of the story (wondering around, infiltrating the ministry, figuring out where the remaining horcruxes are)
14:18.32harlhi
14:18.57LuliaIf I reread it I could probably identify a few spots. At least there's a couple good ones in memory.
14:19.39Mirrormnwhile setting the stage for the second half both plot-wise (explicitly obtaining the remaining horcruxes, battle of hogwarts) and emtionally (suffered their first major emotional loss indicating that the remainder of the plot will be much darker and more difficult)
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14:20.16LuliaI think, Mirrormn, that people would complain either way. People are just difficult to satisfy, especially when they come into something with expectations.
14:20.20Mirrormnso maybe they didn't split it there when they should have, and the movie could have felt more "finished" than it did
14:20.46Mirrormnwell, I agree that *some* people will complain either way
14:21.03Mirrormnbut that doesn't mean that it's necessarily not a valid complaint
14:21.34Mirrormnif they didn't split it in a satisfying point when they easily could have, then there is still a valid complain to be made
14:22.18LuliaBut your opinion of the best place isn't the same as everyone else's.
14:22.38Mirrormnwell
14:22.46LuliaI'm quite certain most of these critcis would complain that it felt unfinished even if it was split where you thought it should be.
14:22.58LuliaNow, there are other ones with more interesting complaints. But I haven't seen it yet.
14:23.10MirrormnI think that my opinion is backed up well enough that at least a significant number of intelligent critics should agree with me
14:23.23Mirrormnand I think your certainty is misplaced
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14:24.03MirrormnI'm certain that some of them would complain even if it was split where I thought it should be, but you can't be certain of the number
14:24.20Mirrormnunless you actually see for yourself and form your own opinion on whether it was split well or not
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14:26.31LuliaI just doubt that you -necessarily- have a better split. But you're right, it will be hard to gauge until it's seen.
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14:28.03Mirrormnheh
14:28.17Lulia:P
14:28.32Mirrormnwell I'm not sure I have a better split either
14:28.35MirrormnI'm just saying I could
14:28.41Mirrormnit's possible, neither of us know
14:28.59LuliaI just have a natural suspicion that people, especially critics, like to complain.
14:29.09Mirrormnwell
14:29.15Mirrormnthat's their whole job, really
14:29.54LuliaPerhaps, but if something isn't necessarily bad, there's no point in trying to pretend it is. :P
14:34.27zenzio"It is made for PUG Leaders to make quick decisions within time constraints to get their group together. A PUG Group needs to be formed quickly, and Gearscore offers a excellent way to judge whether people should be in your group."
14:34.37zenziowhy won't people just stop fighting? The two sides will never agree
14:34.59zenziothough I'm intrigued about what a pick-up group group is
14:35.46Bluspacecow-_-
14:35.57Bluspacecowa PUG does not need to be formed quickly
14:36.04Mirrormnyes it does
14:36.07krkawhat is an ATM machine? what's a PIN number? what's RAM memory?
14:36.09Bluspacecowtheres a resonable speed to be doing things
14:36.29Bluspacecowand i believe people take going quickly to ridicolous exteremes
14:36.34Mirrormnespecially like a VoA group
14:37.13LuliaPeople leave the PUG if it isn't formed quickly.
14:37.18Mirrormnif it's an ICC group you can take a little more time, but even then, Gearscore allows you to toss out outliers quickly so you can spend more time and effort considering people that actually have a chance of being valuable raid members
14:37.21LuliaThat's the state of PUGs.
14:37.30Mirrormnyes, very true
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14:39.16Ackisanyone here a vet or work at a vet clinic/hospital?
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14:39.41Mirrormnmy ex-girlfriend did, if that's any help
14:39.48Ackisnot really
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14:40.23Cairenn|afkpuppy sick?
14:40.31Ackiscat is
14:40.49Cairenn|afk:(
14:41.11Ackiscame home to about 10 vomit spots last night which had cardboard, plastic, rubber bands, hair ties, etc in them, and now he's throwing up immediately after eating or drinking
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14:41.16Ackislethargic, etc
14:41.25Ackisvet doesn't open for another 20ish minutes
14:41.27Bluspacecow\o Cairenn
14:41.31Cairenn|afkhi Bluspacecow
14:41.43Cairenn|afkAckis: not good, sounds like (s)he may be bound up
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14:42.30Cairenn|afkf'ing cats eat everything, make a person crazy
14:42.34Thunder_Childsounds like appendicitis in a human
14:42.50Ackisthis is the retarded cat
14:43.07Cairenn|afkthat was a redundant statement
14:44.51Cairenn|afkAckis: if they open in 20, they're probably already there - I'd call and say you are coming in in an emergency, and if they don't answer, just go and pound on the door
14:45.15Cairenn|afkby the time you get the cat in the carrier and drive over there ...
14:45.34AckisI can't afford to take him in as an emergency right now and I'm at work, Chantelle is staying home from school today
14:46.25Ackisgoing to call and see what we can do from home
14:46.48Cairenn|afkI can email my friend if you'd like, no idea when he'll see it though
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14:47.14AckisI'm calling them in 15ish now, they can at least give me some advice over the phone
14:47.23Cairenn|afknod
14:49.42Cairenn|afkwell, sent the email anyway
14:49.56Ackisthanks <#
14:49.57Ackis<3
14:50.47mitch0cats are 1) annoying 2) a dime-a-dozen. just get a new one if you don't agree with 1) :P
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14:52.24Thunder_Childi knew that was coming
14:52.35Mirrormncats are total bitches
14:52.37MirrormnI hate them
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14:52.48Cairenn|afkif he'd stopped at 1) he would have been fine
14:52.54Mirrormnmanipulative assholes the lot of them
14:53.08Cairenn|afkMirrormn: want to meet the same fate?
14:53.11Cairenn|afk:p
14:53.21Thunder_Childactually that last statement is rather true
14:53.28Cairenn|afkwell, yes ;)
14:53.49Mirrormnactually
14:53.50zenziohttp://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/689927-Jaina-Proudmoore o_O
14:54.05MirrormnI want to link a relevant video about "just get[ting] a new [cat]"
14:54.16Mirrormnhttp://www.penny-arcade.com/patv/blamimations/108/
14:54.46Mirrormn(relevant part starts at 0:55)
14:55.01Mirrormn(it's prettyhilarious)
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14:56.48Mirrormn"cats are born in garbage... they are nature's trash"
14:57.28Cairenn|afk~ugt
14:57.28purl[ugt] Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html
15:00.19zenziohttp://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/11/19/funny-pictures-humin-gotz-ocd/
15:01.31zenziothis new bra concept is intriguing... http://cuteoverload.com/2010/11/16/some-people-can-be-so-rude/
15:03.28Sixenzenzio: looooooooool
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15:13.05Krapshttp://chzmemebase.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/502ac6ee-3607-4e40-ae54-ea19ab6d51bc.jpg
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15:16.31mitch0hello cat lovers ;)
15:17.29Ackishi Mitigation
15:17.30Ackiserr
15:17.32Ackishi mitch0
15:18.01nevcairieli'm not a cat hater, i'm a pet hater
15:18.45Mirrormnbrightly shone the moon that night
15:18.52Mirrormnthought the frost was cruel
15:19.05Mirrormnwhen a poor man came in sight
15:19.23Mirrormngath'ring winter fu-uu-uel
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15:20.36dardacktesting
15:20.49mitch0it worked! it worked!
15:21.02Mirrormnwat
15:21.06dardackhey anyone know if 4.0.3a is taking out zg and/or yogg0 mount (ok yogg0 not taking out but not 100%)
15:21.24Mirrormndid my reciting of good king wenceslas inspire winter cheer in your heart?
15:21.51Mirrormnhither, page, and stand by me
15:21.55mitch0mirror: not everything is resolving around you
15:22.01Mirrormnif thou know'st it, telling
15:22.04nevcairieldardack: go on the ptr, and travel to zg
15:22.08Mirrormnyonder peasent, who is he?
15:22.11nevcairielbut i would say yes
15:22.13mitch0that's probably not the word I was looking for, but meh
15:22.14Mirrormnwhere and what his dwelling?
15:22.15dardackyea i never go on ptr
15:22.18dardackis herald being removed?
15:22.28Mirrormnwinter cheer revolves around me
15:22.32Mirrormnthat's sure enough
15:22.43mitch0revolve, yeah, sounds more like it
15:23.03Mirrormnyou're not a native english speaker?
15:23.08mitch0no
15:23.23mitch0imma hungarian
15:23.26Mirrormnyeah, "not everything revolves around you" is the correct idiom
15:23.37Ackisyou should eat something mitch0 *snickers*
15:23.42dardackwoot herald last nite
15:23.42Mirrormnor better, "the whole world doesn't revolve around you"
15:23.46Ackisok that was a bad joke based off of lamebook
15:23.56mitch0ackis: go diaf or just cuddle with your cat for a while
15:23.59mitch0:P
15:24.07Mirrormnor preferrably do both at once
15:24.14dardackbtw, if anyone is going for that before 4.0.3a (tuesday prolly) you can clear FL/XT on alt runs, come in on mains and get 2-4 hrs on Alg
15:24.29dardackjust leave 5 min before he leaves, not sure if you get saved if he leaves
15:24.33Mirrormnpage and monarch forth they went, forth they went together
15:25.04mitch0I think I should make this nested loop mess a bit more readable...
15:25.05Mirrormnthrough the rude wind's wild lament, and the bitter we-ea-ther
15:25.06Cairenn|afkoh, Mirrormn, give it a couple more weeks yet, will ya?
15:25.18Mirrormnall right Cairenn
15:25.24Cairenn|afkheh
15:25.25Cairenn|afkthanks
15:25.30MirrormnI promise I will sing good king wenceslas again is a couple more weeks
15:25.32Mirrormnjust for you
15:25.40Cairenn|afklol
15:25.51AckisCairenn|afk: it was -20 this morning here, winter has come, bring on the Christmas carols
15:26.08nevcairielthey announced now for the weekend here =/
15:26.14Mirrormnmaybe I will even sing it in person
15:26.15nevcairiels/now/snow/
15:26.16Mirrormnand record it
15:26.31mitch0mirror: upload to youtube. it'll be a hit!
15:26.55MirrormnI actually don't own a video camera lol
15:27.12MirrormnI guess I could probably get a shitty webcam for like $10
15:27.49mitch0just do a lot of stills and mix it with the audio. you can call it "art"
15:27.54mitch0it'll be huge, I tell ya
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15:28.31nevcairieljust make sure to sing public domain carols, or they'll ban your vids =/
15:28.57Mirrormnoh shit yes, mitch0
15:29.01MirrormnI am gonna record me singing
15:29.09Mirrormnand then get pictures of christmasy cheery things
15:29.15Mirrormnand use the ken burns effect
15:29.16Cairenn|afk... and we all discover that Mirrormn is actually Jose Carreras
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15:29.28mitch0wrong culture
15:29.40Mirrormnhaha
15:29.41mitch0or just wrong continent, dunno
15:29.57MirrormnI have a pretty good singing voice
15:29.58dardacki think i'm giving up on curse client
15:30.00dardackgah
15:30.00Cairenn|afk(I was referring to voice, only :p )
15:30.22Mirrormnbut I am no jose carreras
15:30.24mitch0dardack: I use svn/git as the automated updater ;)
15:30.41dardackheh
15:30.48dardacki'm lazy on this computer
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15:33.51Cairenn|afkmorning Seerah
15:33.55Seerahmorning
15:33.59Seerahhow are you feeling?
15:34.09Cairenn|afkwe're not talking about it :p
15:34.10Cairenn|afkheh
15:34.12LuliaShe's feeling afk!
15:34.19Lulia;)
15:34.35Cairenn|afkyou'll find this interesting, though! apparently Mirrormn is actually Jose Carreras!
15:35.03Seerah:D
15:35.18Seerahwill he sing for me? ;P
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15:35.30Mirrormnyou mock me now
15:35.41MirrormnI may have to record a whole album of christmas carols
15:35.53SeerahIf you sing for me, I'll sing for you :p
15:36.07Mirrormnoh yeah?
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15:37.12MirrormnI might hold you to that
15:37.45Seerahmight not get to that recording for Ackis until after Thanksgiving
15:39.32Maldiviabut then ackis will have nothing to be thankful for...?
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15:40.28sylvanaar_workAckis is canadian
15:40.38Seerahyeah, he already had thanksgiving
15:41.20Maldiviaanother reason to have nothing to be thankful for?
15:41.33Kraps^beat me too it
15:41.34mitch0oh, I thought that was about "he's canadian, so he deserves it" :P
15:41.37Krapsto*
15:42.04sylvanaar_worki meant its not thanksgiving for him yeah
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15:45.08Krapssurrrrrre
15:48.27Krapshax http://steamcommunity.com/stats/FlightControlHD/leaderboards/21301?sr=1
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15:51.52Ackishe has a blockage, they need to do surgery it looks like, and need to do it soon otherwise he'll die
15:52.50Cairenn|afkAckis: :(
15:53.01Seeraheating all that stuff, I'm not entirely surprised :(
15:53.04Luliaeek
15:53.07Cairenn|afkAckis: was afraid it was something like that
15:53.38Seerahalmost put a comment up on FB about it, but was on my phone and it decided to stop connecting to FB at that moment
15:54.28olafskianyone else notice a dramatic increase in their addon's downloads? my addon got more than half the downloads it got for the previous version in about 2 months in just one day
15:54.45Seerahit may have to do with people coming back for Cata
15:54.53olafskihm
15:54.57Cairenn|afkolafski: what site(s)?
15:54.59olafskiit's quite a lot though :o
15:55.03Seerahhm
15:55.03olafskicairenn|afk: curse
15:55.06Cairenn|afks/what/which
15:55.13olafskiI don't mind of course! just wondering what inspired this ;)
15:55.19LuliaNot my poor little addon. :(
15:55.21olafskican I check which sites link to my addon somehow?
15:55.33Seerahonly through google
15:56.11olafskihm. I better find out how :)
15:57.37olafskicheers people :)
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16:13.18Ackishave a good weekend everyone
16:14.50cog|workmorning
16:14.53Bluspacecowerm my little sound list file hasn't been updated for 4.0.1 yet
16:15.08Bluspacecowmostly cause I can't get the MPQ files to extract any more >_>
16:15.12Bluspacecow*sadness*
16:15.19durcynare you using the latest stormlib?
16:15.27Bluspacecowmpqeditor ?
16:15.29durcynall that shit changed with 4.0
16:15.52ZasurusI would like to know aswell as I don't have my sound files updated ether :|
16:16.02Bluspacecowon my PPC mac i used to use MPQ extractor .. then I got a new mac that could do Parallels and have ben trying to extract with MPQedit
16:16.13Bluspacecowfailing that just something that outputs a listing of what's in there >_>
16:16.28durcynhttp://www.zezula.net/en/mpq/main.html
16:16.29ZasurusYou can get the art and data but the sound files you can't get...
16:16.31Bluspacecowi get a corrupt file /folder error when I try to extract it
16:16.43Bluspacecowyeah thats what i was using
16:16.49durcynyeah, old versions of any mpq tool are going to explode though
16:17.13Bluspacecowi downloaded the editor from that site durcyn
16:17.21durcyn-when-
16:17.23Bluspacecowopened all the MPQ files
16:17.26Bluspacecowlast week
16:17.30Bluspacecow>_>
16:17.36Bluspacecowthen i merged them all
16:17.45Bluspacecowand told it to extract and Poop! error !
16:17.55Bluspacecowtried to run a repair and it didn't go :(
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16:19.13AdysShirik
16:19.19Adysyou good at math right
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16:30.08Krapshttp://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/gamesblog/2010/nov/19/assassin-s-creeed-brotherhood-history?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
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16:39.00olafskithat's a lot of text.. first few paragraphs seemed nice thouhg :)
16:39.01olafskithough*
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16:45.43Fiskerhey kd3
16:45.52kd3'lo
16:46.44Fiskerindeed
16:47.22Bluspacecowfisker!
16:47.49FiskerBluspacecow!
16:48.34Bluspacecow~trout me!
16:48.34purlACTION slaps me! around a bit with a large trout!
16:49.56Fiskerslaps Bluspacecow around a bit with a large trout
16:50.04Bluspacecow:D
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16:56.09Lunessastation!
16:56.40Krapsfirst!
16:56.47Krapshttp://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/extra-credits/2454-Easy-Games
16:59.27Fiskerthrough Kraps i killed a guy
17:00.02Krapscan i kill you Fisker
17:00.19Fiskernop
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17:07.08Fiskeri once killed a guy Bluspacecow
17:07.23Bluspacecowlolz
17:08.17LunessaThe Extra Credits feature is pretty decent.
17:09.20foxlitMakes me frown every time.
17:10.19Krapsfoxlit: disagree'd
17:10.24Kraps:p
17:10.42foxlitfair enough.
17:11.23LuliaOh man, this is a problem...
17:11.54LuliaIs it possible for two spells to trigger 1 SPELL_DAMAGE event??
17:12.21Humbedoohtwo spells triggering the same damage event?
17:12.24nevcairiel<PROTECTED>
17:12.32Humbedoohthat would be odd, since there's only one spell id slot in the log
17:12.43LuliaYeah...
17:13.07Humbedoohbut one spell _could_ trigger another spell's damage event of course
17:13.10LuliaBut I'm having an instance where two spells hit at nearly the same time (they appear to anyways, though one should be hitting before the other)
17:13.14Humbedoohbut it'd still be multiple events
17:13.27LuliaAnd thus my spell table isn't clearing out fully, hmm
17:13.35HumbedoohLulia: you mean the timestamp is identical?
17:14.15LuliaWell I mean, by appearances they're indentical, like, to eyesight. The only time this problem occurs in my code is when they appear to hit at the same time
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17:15.01HumbedoohLulia: they don't hit at the same time, but they may have the same timestamp nonetheless
17:15.28LuliaBut as long as they fire two different SPELL_DAMAGE events, my code should work properly
17:15.32LuliaIt doesn't check timestamps
17:15.40LuliaIt just fires for each time SPELL_DAMAGE fires
17:15.58Humbedoohare you using combat_log_unfiltered?
17:16.30Luliayup
17:16.32nevcairielalso known as CLEU :d
17:16.46Humbedoohpft, you and your french words, nev
17:17.05nevcairielthere is also stuff like, PEW, RRU, and what else!
17:17.39HumbedoohPIE?
17:17.47durcynthe acronym is misspelled though, because blizzard doesn't have a CLUE.
17:17.48HumbedoohI'd hook that evene
17:17.51durcyni'll be here all night, try the veal
17:17.51Humbedoohevent*
17:17.52nevcairielno pie in the game
17:17.55Humbedooh:(
17:18.01Humbedoohhrmm
17:18.04Humbedoohthere's cherry pie
17:18.11LunessaI'm waiting for a WAFFLES event
17:18.25nevcairielinstall omnicc, it comes with waffles now
17:19.17Bluspacecowwot
17:19.18Bluspacecowit does ?
17:19.41nevcairielor so the version number wants you to believe
17:19.49Krapsi didnt play any of those games but the fetch quest thing is hilarious http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/escape-to-the-movies/2465-Harry-Potter-and-the-Deathly-Hallows-Part-1
17:19.54LuliaHmm, this is an odd development.
17:20.07LuliaIf the spells that hit at the same time are the only ones in the spell table
17:20.13LuliaThen it works fine
17:20.21Humbedoohwhat spell table?
17:20.26LuliaSo it only errors if there are other spells in the table at the time, i.e. casted spells
17:20.42LuliaThe spell-table in my addon that tracks spells that are casting or have been casted but have not yet hit for damage
17:20.50nevcairielsounds like the problem is on your end :p
17:21.04LuliaI never doubted that from the start
17:21.06Humbedoohmaybe the table has a wonky leg
17:21.08LuliaStill trying to isolate it
17:21.17nevcairiela wobly table?
17:21.21Humbedoohcould be
17:21.24LuliaI'm thinking it's something to do with my logic to identify the spell
17:22.00LuliaI run a for loop through the entire spell and look for the first spell name that equals the spell name of the damage spell (from the argument) and has an action of "Casted"
17:22.14Humbedoohbad, bad Lulia!
17:22.34Humbedoohuse the spell ID instead plox :|
17:22.45LuliaWhy?
17:22.51LuliaIt's all in variables
17:22.54Humbedoohbecause it's not localized?
17:22.55LuliaSo it's all localized
17:23.03nevcairielthe names shouldnt really be different between the cast event and the combatlog
17:23.15LuliaThe spell in the table is the spell returned from the spellcast start event
17:23.21LuliaSo it's all localized, humbedooh
17:23.39LuliaThat's not what I mean, nevcairiel
17:23.40Humbedoohand maybe use the spell name or id as a table key?
17:23.44LuliaThough I think I may have found out my issue
17:23.54Humbedoohso you don't have to iterate a gazillion times
17:24.01LuliaIt's possible to have multiples of the same spell in the table, humb
17:24.16Humbedoohthen you make a 3-d table!
17:24.20Luliai.e. if I'm casting Wrath and I've already casted Wrath but it hasn't hit yet.
17:24.33LuliaThen the table has 2 slots
17:24.46LuliaAnd iteration isn't a problem, it only has 4 max slots
17:24.53LuliaThough, in theory, it never really gets past 3
17:25.08Humbedoohhm, so it only tracks your personal spells then?
17:25.12LuliaI'll explain how it works so I can explain why I think it's failing
17:25.15LuliaCorrect, Humb
17:25.19LuliaHere's how it works:
17:25.20Humbedoohotherwise, I'd imagine it'd be slowing you down a bit with 25 people ;p
17:25.57LuliaWhen a spell starts casting it's added to the table. I can effectively use this instead of sent because all of the tracked spells are casted ones: Starfire, Starsurge and Wrath.
17:26.08LuliaNow, I did have to make an exception for "Shooting Stars" Starsurge
17:26.28LuliaBut that works, so I'm not worried about that, and it's the only time I have to check for sent instead of cast start
17:26.43Fiskerso nevcairiel
17:26.49nevcairielso Fisker
17:26.53Fiskerindeed
17:26.56LuliaWhen a spell is added its action is set to "Casting"
17:27.12LuliaWhen a spellcast_successful is sent
17:27.17nevcairielI looked at the galaxy tab today, looks kinda neat, now i want a tablet =/
17:27.20LuliaThe action is instead set to "Casted"
17:27.38Fiskeromg
17:27.42FiskerDUN DUN DUN in fringe
17:27.49LuliaIf a spellcast stops before it finishes, it removes the spell by checking for the name and a "casting" action
17:27.52Fiskeryeah nevcairiel but i'm probably gonna wait for the new year
17:27.53airtonixgives nevcairiel some little white tablets
17:27.56Fiskertegra 2 tablets pl0x
17:28.13nevcairielFisker: yeah, hopefully android apps get fixed up for bigger screens
17:28.29LuliaWhen a spell damage event occurs, it checks the returned spell against the table, looking for the first spell in the table with a "casted" event
17:28.32nevcairielthe samsung mail app looks neat, but rather have the stock gmail app being enhanced to look like that, or something
17:28.38Fiskerjust talking performance wise
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17:28.47Luliathen collapses the table on that spell and breaks out
17:28.48nevcairielthat too
17:28.53nevcairieltegra2 will be nice
17:28.57airtonixwhich samsung mail app ?
17:29.14nevcairielor the new qualcomm snapdragon, which supposedly is 5x faster
17:29.22nevcairielairtonix: the one that comes with the galaxy tab
17:29.33airtonixsame one that comes with the galaxy s ?
17:29.36LuliaSo, what I think is happening is that instant starsurge doesn't have a UNIT_SPELLCAST_SUCCESSFUL event fire, since it's not a cast, it's instant. So I need to change how that works.
17:29.49Fiskernaw airtonix
17:29.54LuliaThe other possible problem is that my collapse function isn't working as intended, so I need to look at both.
17:29.55Fiskersamsung doesn't use qualcomm you silly goose
17:30.14nevcairielairtonix: it has a special big screen mode
17:30.22nevcairielairtonix: http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/11/galaxytabscreens15.jpg
17:30.25airtonixbecause i have both the samsung mail app and the gmail and they both qq when mail arrives..
17:30.35airtonixi dont want the gmail one and i cant remove it
17:31.10airtonixnevcairiel, i see.
17:31.44airtonixnevcairiel, have you played with jquery mobile and phonegap yet ?
17:31.49nevcairielno
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17:35.29airtonixcouple weeks i can stop fluffing about with "visualbasic for school", and start teaching myself java
17:36.14airtonixi have eclipse, the android sdk and phonegap sdk setup and ready to go
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17:56.11LuliaMay have fixed it, yay :)
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18:08.54LuliaHmm
18:09.54Luliafunction AddOnName:TableName:Function() is equivalent to: AddOnName.TableName.Function = function(self1, self2) right?
18:11.02LuliaExcept there's no way for self to internally incremement I presume. Hmm, google I suppose!
18:11.35nevcairielthats invalid syntax
18:11.45nevcairielyou can only have one :
18:11.51LuliaAlright, hmm
18:11.57LuliaI suppose I could do....
18:12.05LuliaAddOnTable.TableName:Function()
18:12.10Humbedoohyep
18:12.15Luliayaaaay
18:12.21nevcairielthats the only valid form
18:12.59LuliaMan, if there was only a way to do namespaces in lua ;)
18:13.31nevcairielnamespaces are overrated
18:13.54Luliaprepending my AddOnName variable to every "global" variable could be useful though
18:13.59LuliaLess typing :P
18:14.12LuliaOnly issue is if you wanted to make a separate global
18:14.13LuliaHmm
18:14.45Adysnevcairiel
18:14.53AdysRemind me how to log an US account with an EU client
18:15.15Humbedoohhax the hostfile?
18:15.20nevcairielchange Data\<lang>\realmlist.wtf
18:15.24Adysi did
18:15.30Adysgiving me "unable to validate blah"
18:15.39nevcairielno idea, then :)
18:15.42Adys:(
18:15.44nevcairielmaybe it stopped working with the streamer
18:15.47Adysyou do this to me =(
18:15.54Humbedoohtry editing the hosts file? :\
18:16.11Humbedoohset eu server address to point to us one
18:16.56Humbedoohafaik, some of it is hardcoded into the client now, so you have to force a redirect
18:16.57LunessaHave you guys played with the Darkmoon Faire thing? http://fortune.worldofwarcraft.com/
18:17.10nevcairielIt made me a druid
18:17.11syraea bit
18:17.14nevcairielfunny store, because i am
18:17.17nevcairielstory*
18:17.19syraeIt made me a priest (LOL)
18:17.27syrae<-- fails at healing
18:17.36syrae<-- fails at tanking more
18:18.06syraeLunessa: I had a funny story I wanted to tell you, but you had already gone offline when I realized it.
18:18.16nevcairieland now you forgot?
18:18.23LunessaI'm terrible like that.
18:18.26syraeI have not!  (yet)
18:18.35Bluspacecowhmmm
18:18.37nevcairielso share it with the class
18:19.03syraeI was looking at my Twitter feed yesterday and I noticed this person who I didn't know kept showing up in my feed.  I was all, who the hell is this person?!?  And then another shoe hit me.
18:19.04BluspacecowAFAIK you need an enUS folder in your data folder with appopriate US realms data in it Adys
18:19.15Bluspacecowlast time I checked the data files for EU and US aren't teh same
18:19.15syrae</end story>
18:19.21Lunessalulz.
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18:19.26Adysgrrrr
18:19.49nevcairielIt didnt use to care before 4.0
18:19.55LunessaIf you look at my twitter profile, you can figure out why I use anothershoe as my twitter id.
18:20.53Bluspacecowi guess the way to do it would be to install both a EU wow and a US wow and copy the locale files from one Data folder to teh other
18:21.10syraeLunessa: yeah.  It was actually your name that was showing up in my feed, not the Twitter nick which was what was confusing me. :P
18:21.21Lunessa:P
18:21.29Bluspacecowie wow folder.us\Data\enUS  -> World Of Warcraft\Data\
18:22.05LunessaI waned to use TheOtherShoe but twitter said "No."
18:22.11syraeheh
18:22.20syraeWell, I figured you'd be amused. :)
18:22.36LunessaI was. :)  Thank you.
18:22.40syraeis a noob
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18:31.46Adys~ping
18:31.46purl~pong
18:32.42Krapshttp://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/134867/%E2%80%9Cwhy-does-blizzard-hate-healers%E2%80%9D
18:32.43ShirikAdys
18:32.44Shirikwhat u wan
18:33.21Bluspacecowkk hometimes
18:33.24nevcairielwhats with the blue tracker not showing the OPs post
18:33.29AdysShirik: it was something like
18:33.36Adys0*(undef) = ?
18:33.43Adyswhether result is undef or 0
18:33.43Shiriknan
18:33.46nevcairieloh its an announcement, not a forum post
18:33.50Adysmm ok
18:33.55Bluspacecowbai bai
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18:36.10Computerpunksuuuuuuuuuup?
18:36.51Krapscool, it's written by GC
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18:43.58Krapshttp://live.foxnews.com/
18:44.24Krapsotoh nvm
18:44.38ShirikAdys
18:44.40Shirikyou could test this yourself
18:44.45Shiriklua> 0 * (0/0)
18:44.46lua_botShirik: nan
18:44.52LunessaTotally.  Blizzard TOTALLY hates healers and wants them to suffer, suffer and DIE, DIE, DIE!!
18:45.08durcynif only they would succeed.
18:45.14AdysShirik: yeah i did, but wasnt sure whether that would be the actual answer
18:45.50Shirikany operation on a nan yields a nan
18:45.55Shirikand nan is equal to nothing, including nan
18:46.20durcynso quit trying to do math on persian breads, you jerks
18:46.59Krapswhoa
18:47.00Krapshttp://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.html/ref=pe_36810_17693690_amb_link_354518322_2?ie=UTF8&docId=1000630821
18:47.02Krapshttp://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.html/ref=pe_36810_17693690_amb_link_354505082_2?ie=UTF8&plgroup=7&docId=1000622561
18:47.06LuliaHmm, that's odd.
18:47.20LuliaThere's no function for getting the time since WoW started?
18:47.26LuliaI mean, it shouldn't be difficult to make one.
18:47.32LuliaYou'd just think there would be one.
18:47.36nevcairielwhy would it be needed
18:47.57LuliaI'm going to use it to timestamp certain reported lines
18:47.57Shirikthere is on Windows
18:48.10ShirikGetTime() I believe (can't test atm)
18:48.20LuliaRight, but that's for when Windows started
18:48.20nevcairielthere is GetTime(), which supposedly is the time since boot, but its a weird number anyway
18:49.05LuliaIn order to get time since WoW started you'd have to make your own function which grabs GetTime from when you logged in and then compare it against the current GetTime
18:49.10Lulia:P
18:49.40Shirikoh right it's from boot
18:49.41Shiriksorry
18:49.58LuliaI could try to figure out how to use lua time and just timestamp that way, I suppose
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19:19.06aX0rZwhat do you think is faster? checkin if a string is one out of 10 different other strings (a == "abc" or a == "bcd" or ...) or checking if one string contains one string at the beginning (a:match("abc"))
19:19.46PredicateaX0rZ: The former, especially if you do it with a table.
19:20.18aX0rZwith a table?
19:21.07Predicatelua> local t = { "foo" = true, "bar" = true, "baz" = true } print(t["foo"])
19:21.07lua_botPredicate: luabot:1: '}' expected near '='
19:21.19Predicateergh.
19:21.31Predicatelua> local t = { ["foo"] = true, ["bar"] = true, ["baz"] = true } print(t["foo"])
19:21.32lua_botPredicate: true
19:21.44Adysfoo = true or ["foo"] = true
19:21.54PredicateI know. Haven't had my coffee yet. :)
19:21.56aX0rZah k got it thanks
19:29.22Krapshttp://www.blogcdn.com/wow.joystiq.com/media/2010/11/aa-zgext-580.jpg
19:30.30syraehttp://nodwick.humor.gamespy.com/Images/superhero.jpg
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19:36.02Krapshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOCh4WSLlGQ&feature=player_embedded
19:36.04industrialhttp://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/nelson_haha.jpg
19:36.05industrialI need to do this.
19:36.06industrialalso
19:36.09industrialhttp://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/segway_beta.jpg
19:36.19LunessaI AM MONITOR-MAN!
19:36.44syraeLunessa: read the bottom bit. :P
19:37.09LunessaI did.  I have to go into another room to get a non-computer object.
19:37.18syraehahaha
19:37.29syraeI am the Staplerette!
19:37.36syraeor something...
19:37.38syrae>_>
19:39.07industrialmotherboarduserguideman!
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19:39.53industrialI be fisker is dildoman!
19:39.56industrialbet, even
19:40.49LunessaYou're giving him too much credit.
19:40.58Krapshey Thunder_Child http://store.steampowered.com/recommended/
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19:44.42Adysindustrial: that is awesome
19:44.44Adysthe nelson one
19:45.52LuliaHmm, wowpedia doesn't say whether or not I can use ignore values in the table for SetBackdrops()'s parameters
19:45.58LuliaCan I?
19:46.12PredicateWhen in doubt, try it out. :)
19:46.18Lulia:P
19:46.34btHey, im looking for a way to send messages with parts of it in different colors.  something like   Addonmessage: blue red green text part
19:47.11LuliaYou need to use |cHexColor inside of your print statement
19:47.22Luliawith Alpha preceeding the hex
19:47.25Luliaso, for example:
19:47.38Lulia|cFFFF0000 would be 100% alpha red
19:48.43btlike |colorValue part1  |colorvalue2 part2 etc?
19:49.15LuliaRight
19:49.44Luliaprint("|cFFFF0000ERROR:|cFFFFFFFF This is an error message");
19:50.10btk, thanks will try it out now:)
19:50.16LuliaThere's no space between the value and the hex color
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19:50.31LuliaUnless you want there to be a space between it and the last character
19:50.34Adysbt: you can't do it in chat, if thats what you're trying to do
19:50.38Adysit'll get stripped by the server.
19:50.53btna just want to color the addon output for the user
19:50.53LuliaPrint will show iti n the frame, but yeah, if you're trying to whisper someone or something
19:50.59Adysyep that'll work
19:51.11btall i found prior to this was how to color the whole message
19:51.58Mirrormnweeoo
19:52.12syraeooohh... it IS ARGB.  That's nice.  I haven't looked into that at all. I just assumed it was RGB.
19:52.12Mirrormnbtw, Lulia, the movie ended up being split *exactly* how I thought it would be
19:52.37Mirrormnso you were completely right, anyone complaining about it feeling "unfinished" is retarded
19:53.03Lulia:P
19:53.13LuliaIt's because people like to complain, pure and simple
19:53.30LuliaGood thing I've read the book though, or you would have completely spoilered it for me!
19:53.38Mirrormnuh
19:53.44MirrormnI don't see how that would be the case
19:53.56LuliaYou told me that x died
19:53.59Lulia;)
19:54.02Mirrormnhuh?
19:54.05Mirrormnoh, earlier
19:54.07Mirrormnpshaw
19:54.08Lulia:P
19:54.29LuliaAnd now, technically speaking, I know where the movie ends. But I'm not bothered by that overmuch :P
19:54.29Mirrormnthere were a couple specific things I didn't like about the movie but overall I thought it was very good
19:54.43LuliaI figured it might end a bit after that, but that's a good spot. Just leaves a lot of room for Part 2, which is neat.
19:54.53Mirrormnprobably the best in the series so far
19:55.00syraeHint: Everyone in the movie dies eventually.  I know this because they destroyed the only philosopher's stone in existence in the FIRST movie! No one is immortal!!!!
19:55.09LuliaFrom seeing the previews, I totally disagree with their depiction of Herminone's dress for the wedding
19:55.17Mirrormnhuh?
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19:55.36LuliaThat's not how I envisioned her dress from its desc in the book
19:55.42Mirrormnoh wow
19:55.47Mirrormnyou're one of *those* people?
19:55.53Lulia"those" people?
19:56.02syraeLulia: I think you just got shunned
19:56.07Mirrormnwho remember every tiny detail and throw a fit if it's not perfect?
19:56.11LuliaNo
19:56.15Mirrormnoh, all right
19:56.20LuliaI'm not throwing a fit :P
19:56.31LuliaI just imagined it differently. I can't expect them to fit MY imagination
19:56.35Mirrormnwell she only wears that dress for like 2 minutes
19:56.41Luliapoo
19:57.10LuliaI imagine they just rush through the wedding
19:57.17Mirrormnfrom the previews I got the impression that she'd be wearing it like all the time, somehow
19:57.21aX0rZcan someone explain to me why this is not true http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/troll_mathemathics_pi.jpg ?
19:57.22Mirrormnnope
19:57.39LuliaShouldn't she be wearing it the whole wedding then?
19:57.40LuliaO.o
19:57.43Mirrormnax0rZ: I will summarize the best comment about it on reddit
19:58.04Mirrormn"but then it wouldn't be a circle... it would be some kind of spikey roundamajig"
19:58.33aX0rZhm
19:58.41aX0rZgotta show my math teacher
19:58.46Mirrormnan infinitely spikey roundamajig, to be more precise
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19:59.08PredicateYeah, the idea behind successive approximations is that you actually get closer to the goal. That never gets closer to being round, it just gets zigzaggier.
20:00.55aX0rZpredicate: well don't you do the exact same thing when you integrate a function?
20:02.24PredicateNo, because area != perimeter.
20:03.01PredicateIn this case, the "zigzagginess" increases the length of the perimeter by exactly 4-pi.
20:03.27Mirrormnwheee
20:05.34Krapshmm http://cata.wowhead.com/item=63125#reward-from-a
20:07.20Mirrormnwat, glory achievement is just to kill the bosses?
20:07.23Mirrormndisappointing :(
20:07.47Mirrormnand sinestra is not required, either
20:08.03Mirrormnand it's not herox mode either
20:08.05Mirrormn>.<
20:08.11syraeAs a casual raider, I approve.
20:08.13syrae:P
20:08.43Krapszomg casuals are ruining wow!
20:09.10syraelies.  Casuals is how all the big raiding guilds earn massive amount of money off the AH
20:09.42Krapsheh
20:09.59LuliaHmm, the only way to make text copy-able is by putting it in an edit box, yes?
20:10.32aX0rZhttp://img203.imageshack.us/img203/561/pvppvesig.jpg
20:11.22Mirrormnwhy is that link so small -.-
20:11.24DagmarOf course it's a ginger
20:11.41Mirrormnalso, last time I saw that, it was star wars/star trek/battlestar galactica
20:13.28syraeYeah... it was a comic that's been remixed a bunch of times
20:14.22LuliaDoes no one know? >.>
20:14.28Mirrormnwell, the internet is nothing if not good at recycling XD
20:15.11Mirrormnlulia: it's an interesting question
20:15.30MirrormnI'm not particularly sure to what extent the wow UI is allowed to interface with the clipboard
20:15.39LuliaIf it's true then I'm going to have to make a multi-line editbox with a scroll frame :(
20:16.00LuliaWhich is a lot of new stuff to learn! So I might put it off until later and do something slightly more simple just to make sure this frame works.
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20:16.35LuliaI suppose if I can find the debug frame in FrameXML it would have my answer
20:17.42PredicateIt's in BasicControls.xml
20:18.16LuliaHmm, what's UIErrorsFrame.lua and .xml then?
20:18.18LuliaO.o
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20:18.44PredicateYou're new to this whole Blizzard naming scheme, aren't you? :)
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20:19.28PredicateFrom your earlier question I think you might actually be looking for the ScriptErrorsFrame, which is in the Blizzard_DebugTools addon.
20:19.38Lulia>.>
20:19.48LuliaAlright, I'll look for that.
20:20.00LuliaThey handle something I'm looking to do, so I figure I might as well look at how they do it
20:20.11PredicateYeah, they use a scrolling editbox thingamajig.
20:20.23sylvanaar_workLulia:  i use the one from bugsack
20:20.29LuliaOh, their addons only have .pub files
20:20.39PredicateThey're extracted with FrameXML.
20:20.45Predicate~framexml
20:20.45purlDownload FrameXML code/art from http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?locale=en_US&articleId=21466 ; or view it online at http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source , http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser or http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml
20:20.50LuliaAh
20:20.57LuliaWhich is in basicoptions?
20:21.15Luliabasiccontrols.xml*
20:21.28Predicatehttps://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source/blob/live/AddOns/Blizzard_DebugTools/Blizzard_DebugTools.xml
20:21.50sylvanaar_workdoes anyone use those?
20:21.53LuliaI'm not using bugsack, sylvannaar, because that's not exactly what I'm doing :)
20:22.10sylvanaar_worki use the multiline editbox from bugsack
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20:22.34dardacksigh i need a roll haxx for tonite
20:22.41dardackesp if this is last chance at mim's head at 100%
20:22.58cbreakthere's a 100% chance that I won't get it...
20:23.06LuliaWell, let's see. They do use a scroll frame
20:23.09dardacki am down to a 1/20 chance
20:23.14LuliaAnd then there's an editbox which is the child of it.
20:23.21LuliaWell, that answers my question :)
20:23.44dardacksigh trying to convince people to run it 25 weeks ago, was not happening, then 5 weeks ago, finally convince enough, now that it's downed mad people want to come, i'm like where was this interest 25 weeks ago when i coulda been guaranteed it
20:24.19cbreak25 weeks ago, everything was much harder
20:24.30cbreakis arcane mage, and never felt as powerful as now
20:24.31dardackeh we killed it before patch 4
20:24.46cbreakpatch 4?
20:24.53cbreakthat was some time back in classic
20:24.59dardackpatch 4.0.1
20:25.00cbreakwhen paladins got their first attention?
20:25.13cbreakhmm. grats :)
20:25.44LuliaThanks, Predicate.
20:25.58dardackno just saying yea it maybe easier since patch 4.0.1 with the dps, but could get it before then (did, week before) so just wish people had wanted to 25 weeks ago
20:26.11cbreakI did my first astral walker kill shortly before it. too bad I could never do it with my guild :/... but never got to kill without any guardians.
20:26.25dardackjust got herald last nite
20:26.30dardackfigured it was last week we could get
20:26.40dardackso we took 2 alt runs cleared Fl/XT
20:26.48dardackand then brought mains, second instance 2nd attempt got him
20:27.09dardacksince they changed it you don't get saved till a boss is killed, just left uld with 5 min left before alg left
20:27.21cbreakI can't imagine how anyone could get astral walker with proper Ulduar gear
20:27.45cbreakwe just barely made it with ICC gear, on the third or fourth try.
20:27.48dardack25 or 10
20:27.54cbreak25
20:28.01cbreakwe failed a lot in 10
20:28.03dardack10 was hard enough
20:28.10dardackin appropriate level gear
20:28.36Mirrormnbring me flash and bring me wine, bring me pine log hither
20:28.39Mirrormn*flesh
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20:28.52cbreakMirrormn: you're christian?
20:29.00Mirrormnthou and I will see him dine, when we bear his thither
20:29.10MirrormnI'm just spreading christmas cheer
20:29.19Mirrormnpagans can celebrate christmas!
20:29.50DagmarCan, but don't need to
20:30.00Mirrormnscrooge >.>
20:31.09LuliaI dislike that Blizzard's debug doesn't work on the PTR server
20:31.11DagmarNullMoogleCable: So if a homeless person asked you for it, you'd just hand it to them?
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20:35.49LuliaNnnggggh, give me an error box, Blizz!!!
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20:40.58LunessaOnline shopping for a geek-themed hoodie tells me that too many of my fellow geeks are in the 3XL and 4XL size ranges.
20:41.04Krapsoh snap http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1557412
20:41.16DagmarNah, more like they just don't want to make them in that size if they can help it
20:41.25DagmarFabric costs versus the number of people who ARE that damn big
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20:42.14LunessaWell, since they lose a sale to me every time they don't have triple-extra fat guy, it's starting to PISS me off.
20:42.26LuliaI'm literally going through and putting a print line-by-line to find out where it's breaking :(
20:42.37Ackisfor those who care, the cat is going to live
20:42.48LuliaAckis: Yay
20:42.58LunessaAckis: Excellent.
20:43.19LuliaPets dying always makes me sad. They're living beings and thus worthy of sentiment!
20:43.22Lulia:(
20:43.45durcynif the surgery costs more than a new cat, i'm getting a new cat.
20:43.48Ackishe ended up with 3 hairbands in his stomach that were removed, they didn't have to cut out any intestine either
20:44.17LuliaSounds nasty :(
20:44.20Dagmar*facepalm*
20:44.27Mirrormnfor a second I thought you said "going live" as in you put him on a webcam or something -.-
20:44.27Dagmar*Usually* they don't eat the things
20:44.27LunessaThis is the one that locked himself in the bathroom?
20:44.30syraeI need to buy a new hoodie as well.  Something I can wear to work but is big enough to not look dumb
20:44.39Ackisit looks like they were building up over months
20:44.52AckisLunessa: no, that was his brother who has a sock and toilet paper fetish
20:44.52syraeand by big enough I mean.... tall enough.  ie: mens' size
20:45.13LunessaI was going to buy one of the university logo'ed ones here, syrae, but they don't make them in my size.
20:45.23syraeLunessa: :-\
20:45.45LunessaThe stop at 2X and I need 3X. :(
20:45.51syraeI'm an XL in mens, but Women's stuff is too damned short for me
20:48.13LuliaWell... found out which line is breaking it
20:48.16LuliaBut it makes no sense
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20:48.26LuliaMsgLog.Console.Frame = CreateFrame("FRAME", nil, "UIParent");
20:50.31Shirikyou know what's a really good way to piss off eclipse?
20:50.36ShirikOpen two copies of eclipse on the same workspace
20:50.56ShirikLet me rephrase that
20:50.58Cides/two copies of eclipse on the same workspace/eclipse/
20:51.00ShirikYou know what's a really good
20:51.00Shirikyeah
20:51.02ShirikI was about to do that
20:51.13Cidehigh fiv
20:51.13Cidee
20:51.33ShirikSo I did my school loan exit counseling today
20:51.41nevcairielShirik: it doesnt let you open it twice on the same workspace, usually
20:51.45nevcairielit yells during start and quits
20:51.56ShirikI thought I was in good shape because I really was only taking out loans for 50% of the costs and paying the rest
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20:52.10ShirikAnd I didn't pay a cent for the master's program
20:52.15Shirik... but I still owe $80k
20:52.21ShirikI feel really bad for some of the other people here
20:52.39syraeschool loans are evil
20:52.40Shiriknevcairiel: Not sure how I did it then :)
20:53.59dardacksigh mine are at 60k for 10 years of schooling, 2 degerees and a 3rd 3 classes from
20:54.09dardacktook me a while to figure out what i wanted to do
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20:55.38MirrormnLulia: That should be just UIParent, not "UIParent"
20:56.32Fiskerslaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout
20:56.33LuliaYeah, I caught it
20:56.36Lulia>.>
20:56.48LuliaIt would be so much easier if the debug worked on the PTR
20:56.57LuliaIt would tell me the parent was a nil value and I'd be like "ooooh"
20:57.25Mirrormnwhy exactly are you on the PTR?
20:57.33PredicateWell, nil parents are valid...
20:58.03PredicateBut a string isn't nil, either.
20:58.06LuliaI'm on the PTR because I'm doing stuff for a Balance druid
20:58.13LuliaAnd I don't have a max-level balance druid :P
20:58.26PredicateAnd you should still be able to see error messages if they're enabled in the Interface Options.
20:58.46LuliaI never turned them off
20:59.22LuliaYet somehow Display Lua Errors was unchecked...
20:59.23Lulia...
20:59.29PredicateIt's off by default.
20:59.44Lulia>.> I don't remember turning it on on the normal version
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21:06.28AdysCan someone access this?
21:06.28Adyshttps://omega.contacts.msn.com/
21:06.39DagmarNasty site
21:06.43DagmarNo thanks.
21:06.54Cidepidgin certainly can't
21:07.00Mirrormn"This Virtual Directory does not allow contents to be listed."
21:07.00Cideand it likes to remind me every 5 minutes
21:07.11Lulia:P
21:07.48LuliaHmm, that's odd. In InterfaceOptionsFrame.xml line 182, bgFile isn't initialized, just edgeFile is. The result is a border for the frame. However, when I do a SetBackdrop function call and set bfFile to nil or "" it refuses to draw the border.
21:09.45Dagmarj`ey: Oh wait... I actually have something I can show you that sort of shares mindspace with this problem.  Lemme dig up the URL
21:11.21Fiskeromg rofllol microsoft site using apache
21:11.25LuliaThe SetBackdrop docs on wowpedia don't mention how I might ignore setting a bgFile. Anyone know if I can? It's clear that you can do it with the XML
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21:17.48Adys!api setbackdrop
21:17.48lua_botFound 3 possible results for 'setbackdrop': Frame:SetBackdropBorderColor, Frame:SetBackdrop, Frame:SetBackdropColor
21:17.57Humbedoohuse a fake path then?
21:18.01Adys!api frame:setbackdrop
21:18.01lua_botFound 3 possible results for 'frame:setbackdrop': Frame:SetBackdropBorderColor, Frame:SetBackdrop, Frame:SetBackdropColor
21:18.11Adys...
21:18.19AdysLulia: tried an empty string?
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21:19.36Adysnevcairiel: ping
21:20.03Adysor kd3, any winer who played left4dead at some point
21:20.39LuliaAdys, hmm?
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21:20.49MirrormnI get this feeling that most of the people here have played left4dead at some point
21:20.53AdysLulia: for setbackdrop
21:20.55LuliaI'm setting bgFile to an empty string, yes, because I dont want to show a background
21:20.59LuliaI just want the border
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21:26.40dardackMirrormn: i have not ever played it
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21:38.49Ackishttps://twitter.com/#!/abolishcancer
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21:42.28AdysCide: http://developer.pidgin.im/ticket/12906#comment:39
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21:42.58Cidethanks adys
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21:45.16LuliaAdys, will that cause SetBackdrop to fail?
21:45.34AdysI don't know
21:45.40AdysI'm asking if you tried it, to set a null backdrop :P
21:46.14LuliaYeah, I tried using an empty string for bgFile
21:46.20LuliaAnd the border decides to now show up
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21:49.08Ackisfuck me my eyes hurt from teh tears today
21:49.42Mirrormnmy eyes hurt from having been awake for ~24 hours =/
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21:57.13Ackishttps://twitter.com/#!/jpasula/status/5738722687451137
21:58.09DagmarThey should say something to Twitter and have the phonies yanked.
21:58.26Dagmar...because they absolutely _will_ torch accounts like that MMO_Champion one
22:00.31durcynnot if they identify themselves as fake
22:00.58DagmarNeither of them are doing so.
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22:01.17AckisI think Bibi tried at one point
22:01.19DagmarLooks to me like they're doing a damn good job of representing themselves as if they were actually MMOC
22:01.30DagmarAckis: He should try again.
22:01.36AckisI know Kaelten tried to get wowace on twitter and was told no, so we use wowacecom
22:01.43DagmarMy ex has had multiple people nuked for pretending to be her grandfather
22:05.07Cidemultiple people tried to impersonate your ex why?
22:05.15Cideunless your ex is hillary clinton
22:05.19Cidein which case I get it
22:05.48Ackishaha you lost your terminal cide
22:05.50Ackisfail!
22:06.44AckisShirik: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Auto-Tune is broken, and it redirects you to something else that's broken (first thing being broken is probably my addons fault, not sure about the second however)
22:07.16DagmarCide: Not my ex, her uncle
22:07.35Ackisyou're ex's ex-uncle?
22:07.39Dagmarbleh.  not uncle, grandfather
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22:07.51DagmarCide: Her grandfather, not my ex
22:07.56Ackishi cide, find your terminal?
22:07.59DagmarLarn ta reed kids
22:08.09Cidefind my terminal?
22:08.17Cideyeah, my bad, but the point remains Dagmar
22:08.23Ackis15:05*** Cide quit (Quit: Lost terminal)
22:08.33Dagmar<PROTECTED>
22:08.36Cideyeah I rebooted
22:09.11Dagmar<PROTECTED>
22:09.26durcyni always preferred the bitchx-style "Hey! Where'd my controlling terminal go?" message.
22:09.53Cideyeah but with respect to everyone else I doubt he's a jimmy hendrix
22:10.00Cide(just sayin')
22:10.12DagmarYou've not seen him play a banjo
22:10.30Cideno but I've heard jimmy hendrix play a guitar
22:10.33Dagmar...and, most importantly, he's still alive.
22:11.11Cidejimi hendrix I should say
22:11.13ShirikAckis
22:11.19ShirikHave you seen the changes to the wow tcg rules?
22:11.24ShirikThat they're putting out with worldbreaker?
22:11.31Shirikit's kinda crazy they're changing a lot
22:12.45ShirikAckis, what?
22:12.52Cidewhat what
22:12.54ShirikI don't see anything broken
22:13.27AckisShirik: ok it's my addon messing it up then, and no I didn't see the new rules, just new loot lol
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22:15.04industrial:) http://images.gammatester.com/pics/79c1259fd11414b2afb65f732559f9a2.png
22:15.13industrial(my desktop atm)
22:15.34Cidenice syntax highlighting
22:15.40Cideor maybe not
22:15.44industrialty, its my own theme :D
22:15.45industrialbawww
22:16.05ShirikAckis: Totems can even do damage now
22:16.16zenzelezzwhy do state leaders always look so enthusiastic? http://gfx.dagbladet.no/labrador/143/143748/14374833/jpg/active/978x_13197743.jpg
22:16.16ShirikLike if you have a stoneclaw totem and buff it to +10 ATK
22:16.19industrialCide: it's too much of the blue imho, don't know what to do about it exactly
22:16.24Shirikhttp://cryptozoic.posterous.com/worldbreaker-previews-now-with-smoother-gamep
22:16.28Ackisyou can buff totems?
22:16.38ShirikYup
22:16.45Shirikattachments now stay on totems
22:16.53ShirikTotems are now "Ability Ally" cards
22:17.12Shirikand the only rules that stay are "Totems can't attack"
22:17.35Fisker~seen Kaelten
22:17.47purlkaelten is currently on #waruidev (2h 45m 9s) #sc2mapster (2h 45m 9s) #wowuidev (2h 45m 9s) #arl (2h 45m 9s) #wowace (2h 45m 9s) #curseforge (2h 45m 9s), last said: 'so mean to me Esamynn|work and after all we've been through together!'.
22:17.47Shirikthe strangest change imo is the change to druid forms
22:18.05DagmarIf you buff it repeatedly will it magically mend itself to ~80% health?
22:20.12Ackisthey get hit with aoe as well which is nice
22:20.29Ackisthe weapons changes made me go a bit cross eyed but I'm tired
22:20.33Hirsute"You bury the artifact in your forehead and try to absorb the corruption.  What could go wrong?"  Bwahahaha.
22:21.22DagmarLobotowhat?
22:21.48Hirsutehttp://fortune.worldofwarcraft.com/en_us/personality_test.html
22:24.39durcynchoose your own dumb adventure, or: everyone's a druid
22:24.51syraeI got Priest
22:24.53syraeso there
22:25.51HirsuteHeh.  Druid.  Fun.
22:26.40nevcairieli was a druid as well, but i also play one, so all is good
22:29.05AckisI got mage first, then I redid it and got priest
22:29.08Ackisa tauren priest
22:29.36MirrormnI got a point where it summoned a bunch of fire elementals at me
22:29.50Mirrormnand my first thought was "I will cool their hot hearts with a cool island song"
22:30.35zenzelezzit called me a hunter :(
22:30.55DagmarReally?
22:30.56MirrormnI got teh druid
22:31.01MirrormnI was kind of going for mage
22:31.02DagmarIt decided I was a warrior for some reason
22:31.04Mirrormnbut whatevs
22:31.13HirsuteI just got a paladin.
22:31.20Dagmar...but perhaps this test lacks scientific rigor...
22:31.22HirsuteI'm trying to get a rogue.
22:31.28MirrormnI think "druid" may be what it picks if you give an inconsistent set of answers
22:32.00DagmarI don't quite see how one would get hunter being that almost none of the answers involved any kind of strategy
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22:32.28durcynyes, people who play hunters in wow are master tacticians.
22:32.41DagmarGood ones are.
22:32.42HirsuteDagmar: Did you start out by drinking whiskey?
22:32.49DagmarAle.
22:32.54HirsuteHrmm.
22:33.33Dagmardurcyn: Bad ones just spec Survivalist
22:33.44Dagmar;)
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22:37.01Adysindustrial: stop copypasting everything you say cross-channels!
22:40.35ComputerpunkDagmar, what about ones who play BM?
22:40.40HirsuteBah, the site appears to be borked.
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22:41.23Ackishow far does bluetooth generally?
22:41.42AckisI know I can take my headset into the washroom which is like 5m away
22:41.45AdysAckis: generally so long as to.
22:42.31Adysbluetooth is usually like up to 8-10 meters
22:42.48Ackisthat's decent, further you go == more battery power however?
22:42.50industrialAdys: which channels would that be?
22:42.54durcyndepends on the class
22:43.06Adysindustrial: re the nelson links :P
22:43.07durcynclass 1 is rated up to 100 meters, class 2 up to 10 meters
22:43.13industrialnelson?
22:43.42Fiskermost devices have basically settles for class 2
22:43.44durcynand yeah, it takes 40x more wattage to drive class 1 transmitters
22:43.54Fiskersettled*
22:44.05Adysdurcyn: yah, but like 99% of bluetooth devices are class 2
22:44.12durcynfair point.
22:44.27industrialif I ever do post stuff here it's because I think someone in here might think it would be funny or I really do would like feedback from the type of person I think crwals this channel. I also post stuff in a dutch channel I've been on for a long time and also #dongle which is also a social channel
22:44.40Adysindustrial: I'm just being an ass
22:44.47industrialAdys: screw you
22:44.54industrialxD
22:44.57industrialshower
22:45.05Adysthat sounds kind of gay.
22:45.11industrialI wash myself there.
22:45.11AdysAckis: but the same bluetooth device will not use more battery power to transmit further. it always transmits to a specific length
22:45.24durcyni'd want a shower after talking to Adys too.
22:45.29Adysindustrial: i meant the screw you part.
22:45.31industrialhi-five
22:45.51industrialAdys: saw you?
22:45.58industrialno, wait..
22:45.59Ackisok Adys I didn't know that, i thought it scaled up the further you were
22:46.29AdysAckis: a bluetooth device is just an emitter, but if the receiver is missing data, the emitter will re-transmit it
22:47.02AdysAckis: which in turn means more battery usage -- which can be caused if you're farther than the recommended maximum range
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23:00.34Angayellehai peoplez
23:00.40Angayellexinhuan ?
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23:02.27Xinhuanhi
23:02.46Angayellewell i have a small problem, i added : if select(2, UnitClass("player")) ~= "MAGE" then return end at the start of my lua file to prevent it from loading if classes different from mage would use it, like you suggested
23:03.01Xinhuanuh huh, is there a problem?
23:03.15Angayellelike a dumb i pushed the new version without noticing that it wouldn't hide the xml part of my addon
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23:03.28Angayelleso lua is blocked and xml is showing
23:03.32Xinhuanoh
23:03.39Xinhuanwell i didn't know you have an XML part ;p
23:03.45Xinhuanmost addons nowadays are pure lua
23:03.46Xinhuanno xml
23:03.53Angayellei thought changing the line to : if select(2, UnitClass("player")) ~= "MAGE" then CombustionFrame:Hide() return end
23:04.09Angayellewould work but no, i got a nil error about CombustionFrame
23:04.23Xinhuanyeah that's because the lua file loaded before the XML
23:04.25Angayelleyeah i'm pretty clueless so xml was simple for me
23:05.03Xinhuanthere's no way not to load the XML file conditionally
23:05.04nevcairielwhy even include disabling logic anyway, its easier if people just turn addons of for chars they dont want it on
23:05.07Angayellejust have to chenge order in toc file then ? could lead to new errors maybe
23:05.35Xinhuanwon't work
23:05.40Angayellethat's what i told people to do, nev but as xinhuan is way experienced than me i followed his advice blindly
23:05.42Xinhuani just looked at the xml
23:05.45Xinhuanlol
23:05.54nevcairielhe has some weird ideas though!
23:06.00Angayelleoh don't laugh come on
23:06.11Xinhuannah not weird!
23:06.19nevcairielcrazy, then
23:06.22Xinhuanif the addon was in pure Lua, and created the frames in code
23:06.26Xinhuanthen it would work perfectly :D
23:06.30Angayelleindeed
23:06.46nevcairielso a dev has to add some code, and upload a new release, so you dont have to disable the addon? :P
23:07.08Xinhuanthe problem nev
23:07.10Xinhuanis that
23:07.20Xinhuansometimes i want to disable an addon across the board but not others
23:07.21Angayellebut now i've got a broken, well maybe not broken for mages but for others, addon in the internet, ehe
23:07.33Xinhuanif select(2, UnitClass("player")) ~= "MAGE" then CombustionFrame:Hide() return end
23:07.37Xinhuanthe line you suggested
23:07.45Xinhuanjust put it in your
23:07.50XinhuanCombustion_OnLoad() function
23:08.32Angayelleevent won't trigger with this even ?
23:08.45Xinhuanthat is, the first thing you do in the OnLoad, is to check if its a mage
23:08.47nevcairielyou could just ask for addonloader support with load on class
23:09.05Xinhuanif it isn't, return and do nothing, and since no events are registered, nothing will happen the rest of the addon
23:09.16Angayelleah indeed
23:09.18Xinhuanotherwise you continue with the remainder of the OnLoad function
23:10.20Angayellenow i'll be more careful that's sure
23:10.37Xinhuanits ok, its barely a few hours
23:10.44Xinhuani've done worse with Omen ;p
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23:18.37Xinhuanits like the single msot useful dps increase addon since patch day ;p
23:18.58Angayellemine ?
23:19.03Xinhuanyep
23:19.16Angayelleyou kidding ?
23:19.53Xinhuannope
23:20.01Xinhuanits hella difficult to tell when to use combustion without it
23:20.36Xinhuanmakes all the difference between a 90k combust or a 10k one
23:21.34Angayellelulz, yeah, working on dps report for all dots now, so you know when ignite is the biggest possible
23:22.20Xinhuanexcept of course, i've switched to arcane since ;p
23:23.08Xinhuanarcane is just stupid pew pew atm
23:23.21Angayelleyeah i don't find it that much fun
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23:23.45Angayelleanyway, going back on the sofa with the wife now
23:23.49Angayellebye all
23:23.59Xinhuanupdated a new version yet?
23:24.06Angayelleaye
23:24.32Xinhuantime to click the updater
23:25.29Xinhuanoh not on curse yet hehe
23:25.45Angayellecurse is kinda slow to update files tho
23:25.53Angayelleyou can get it from wowi
23:26.57cbreakcurse is slow with everything
23:27.07cbreakthe whole page is a bloated mess of adds, images and script code
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23:27.33Xinhuani bear with it because curse points is good :)
23:27.45cbreakwhat points?
23:28.12ShadniXuhm... question: according to wowprogramming.com, the function "GetBattlefieldArenaFaction()" is deprecated - what function should i use instead?
23:28.18Xinhuanauthors with more than 1000 installbase gets curse points froma monthly pool divided among all authors
23:28.31Xinhuanpoints can be redeemed for amazon vouchers or cash (paypal)
23:28.53cbreakfun.
23:28.59cbreakI have more than 1k install base :)
23:29.04Xinhuanthe $$ for this comes from subscribers to the curse premium
23:29.09cbreak(if they count wowinterface downloads)
23:29.33Xinhuanthe curse client only looks at what addons are installed to determine install base
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23:29.43Xinhuanlike how many users have it installed
23:30.02durcynsomeone said it only counted premium members at that
23:30.06syrae1k by author or by addon?
23:30.13Xinhuanby addon
23:30.26Xinhuanwe don't know the exact specifics
23:30.32Xinhuanfor how they count installbase
23:30.40Xinhuansince they dont' want ppl to game the system
23:31.03Xinhuanbut it works, and all authors get free curse premium anyway
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23:33.52AckisXinhuan: it's not 1000 install base, the actual number and formulas are a closely guarded secret kinda like the KFC recipe :)
23:34.27Xinhuanwell ckknight said it was 1000 like a year ago, its probably changed by now
23:34.48ckknightit hasn't
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23:34.59Xinhuantada
23:35.07Ackisit's teh magic!
23:35.36cbreakwell, my addons got good replies, which is worth more than a few amazon things :)
23:35.52Xinhuani honestly just prefer to get cash
23:36.16cbreakI bet that a normal job pays much more than addon development, even with that :)
23:36.17durcyni got a hundred bucks for three years of points, that's better than nothing =P
23:36.43ckknightcbreak: even for the highest grossing addons
23:36.44Xinhuan^^
23:36.59Xinhuanexactly, something is better than nothing
23:37.09Xinhuanits not meant to be enough to pay for a full time job
23:37.16cbreakpeople who write addons don't do it for cash. They do because they have fun with it.
23:37.45NechcknPfft... speak for yourself, cbreak
23:37.58cbreakof course I do
23:38.05cbreakwho else could I possibly speak for?
23:38.19NechcknApparenlty, everyone...
23:38.43Nechckn" people who write addons don't do it for cash. They do because they have fun with it."  =)
23:38.44cbreakthat's an extrapolation of a known sample
23:38.51Xyphoidwhy do you get deserter when you leave a group of 3 people
23:38.51Xyphoidboo
23:39.06cbreakXyphoid: because you deserted them?
23:39.11AckisXinhuan: gimme some of your points! :D :D :D
23:39.17Ackisok I'm going to go get my cat now
23:39.18DagmarYOu gotta learn how to get people to kick you.
23:39.21Xinhuanyou know what's interesting? horde used to win WG every day before 4.0
23:39.26Dagmar....although asking generally works fine.
23:39.26Xinhuanever since patch
23:39.38Xinhuannow alliance wins every day with the even numbers and no tenacity
23:40.04XinhuanFOR HONOR AND JUSTICE!
23:40.08nevcairielso horde sucks in fair play
23:40.30cbreakor they just lack experience
23:40.38syraeat least on my server, Horde have just gotten used to steamrolling Alliance with sheer numbers.
23:40.43DagmarCould be worse
23:40.59syraewhich will make leveling SUPER FUN since it's PVP server
23:41.27cbreakthere are people who signed up for that :)
23:41.32DagmarOne of my coworkers yesterday was telling me that they actually stopped a for the Horde run during the elemental invasion because _they_ wound up clearing Ironforge, then went to Stormwind and cleared half of it before saying "Screw this"
23:41.50Xinhuanhahaha
23:41.51syraecbreak: and by super fun, I mean that in the most sarcastic way possible since I dislike PvP
23:42.01Dagmar...as in, during what should have been prime-time, there weren't even enough Alliance in their capital city to clear the elementals.
23:42.13cbreaksyrae: which explains being on a pvp server :)
23:42.48syraecbreak: you know how it is.  A friend plays on server X, so you start a char there and 6 years later you wonder why you're still there. :P
23:43.15cbreakDon't have friends who play WoW... they all have a life...
23:44.08Xinhuanthey should make another southpark episode of wow
23:47.29Xinhuanthe new wow forums are super hard to read
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23:48.02Xinhuanwonder which genius decided orange text on dark brown is good
23:48.17cbreakMr. Geocities?
23:48.29Cairenn|afkdon't know, but they need to fix it
23:48.36Cairenn|afkit's bloody difficult to read
23:49.14Xinhuanoh and Cairenn|afk
23:49.16Xinhuanhttp://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=27397546319&sid=1&pageNo=3
23:49.24Xinhuanonly 10 days left to archive that thread
23:49.55Cairenn|afkyeah, and no new computer here yet =/
23:52.05Xinhuanno blizzcon forums on the new forums :(
23:52.48Cairenn|afkuntil next year
23:54.41Xinhuanso, will dungeon grinding or questing be faster this cata?
23:54.48industrialcbreak++
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23:56.20nevcairielXinhuan: questing
23:57.09Xinhuannevcairiel: problem is digital purchase, at midnight there will be a fuckton of ppl online, unlike during wrath launch
23:57.30Xinhuanthere will be easily 10x as many ppl at the new zone
23:57.50Xinhuancompared to only the ppl who actually went to queue at midnight
23:58.52nevcairieli never started at midnight before, so i cant say, but in the morning it always was pretty full, and it was only a problem for half an hour, then people spread out
23:58.59nevcairielthe starting zones use *heavy* phasing
23:59.43nevcairieldungeons give pretty low xp

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