| 00:03.00 | Shirik | Cide is hiding from me |
| 00:05.05 | Amarande | so do LK heroics stop giving JPs once you ding 81/have 81+ in the party like with BC heroics and 71? |
| 00:11.50 | Amarande | or will it always be the smart thing to do (assuming you aren't going for a realm first 85) to go 80-81 from LK heroics so you can gather as many JP as possible along the way? |
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| 00:18.36 | Jamash | why not just do lk heroics up to the cap now? |
| 00:20.08 | Amarande | Jamash: I mean, on future toons that hit 80 |
| 00:20.18 | Amarande | is it better to go straight to Hyjal and quest there, or to farm JPs while you can? |
| 00:21.08 | Jamash | based on the fact that you get more jp at higher levels, I wouldn't bother trying to minmax jp gain while leveling |
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| 00:23.28 | Amarande | hmm, what else about 4.0.3. |
| 00:23.34 | Amarande | does it fix the pet HP lag thing? |
| 00:24.15 | Amarande | (although admittedly I do like how it synergizes with the mend pet glyph to help keep your pet happy all the time) |
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| 00:38.43 | industrial | hahah, the expendables is so comedy :') |
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| 00:45.05 | dardack_ | question can you do: while ((i<endnum) or (i+offset<TotalNum)) do or can't you use or in that statement |
| 00:46.30 | Jamash | yes, you can do that |
| 00:48.28 | dardack_ | why it not working dang it |
| 00:48.53 | Jamash | you don't need the outer set of parentheses in that expression btw |
| 00:49.12 | dardack_ | if i print(i.." "..endnum) right after the while it prints 15 15 which means it shoulda exited before |
| 00:49.28 | dardack_ | that's fine, just don't get why it doesn't work |
| 00:49.46 | Jamash | if i+offset<TotalNum is true then it won't exit |
| 00:50.00 | dardack_ | doh i need and |
| 00:50.02 | dardack_ | sorry |
| 00:52.19 | dardack_ | ty jamash, sometimes something stares me in the face and i can't see it |
| 00:54.03 | industrial | sorry for the 'theme' but it's just funny. |
| 00:54.06 | industrial | http://kuvaton.com/browse/16156/customs_office.jpg |
| 00:54.14 | industrial | and http://kuvaton.com/browse/16160/gayball2.jpg |
| 00:55.41 | industrial | dardack_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber_duck_debugging |
| 00:56.11 | dardack_ | interesting |
| 00:56.41 | industrial | I find it very helpful though my 'ducks' are usually human |
| 01:13.26 | ccox | industrial - try explaining it to someone in marketing, the look on their faces as they try to understand it can be priceless |
| 01:13.31 | kd3 | oh wow, they kept the "Watch your clever mouth, bitch." line |
| 01:14.19 | kd3 | cataclysm silverpine spoilers: http://www.wowpedia.org/Quest:The_Warchief_Cometh#Notes |
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| 01:30.09 | Amarande | kd3: speaking of lines, they need new voice lines for neutral humans and such |
| 01:30.21 | Amarande | "For the Alliance" is out of place with them |
| 01:30.50 | Amarande | Especially, I can't imagine someone like *Khadgar* actually having so little tact as to say "For the Alliance" to a horde character |
| 01:30.57 | Amarande | yet in his VA when you talk to him he often does |
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| 01:42.01 | Amarande | ok, this looks like a bug. |
| 01:42.10 | Amarande | they removed LW specialties in 4.0.1 right? |
| 01:42.40 | Amarande | guessing so since the old specialty BoPs are standard trainer recipes now |
| 01:42.57 | Amarande | *however* - the items all say "Requires (type) Leatherworking" |
| 01:43.10 | Amarande | which means you can't use any of them since they depend on a requirement that's no longer in the game :| |
| 01:46.02 | Dagmar | Alternatively, you could wait until there's an actual problem before complaining about something. |
| 01:46.18 | Dagmar | They don't require a thing, regardless of what the tooltip appears to say. |
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| 01:47.11 | Amarande | ah, I didn't craft one to check that. |
| 01:47.21 | Amarande | there seem to be a lot of tooltips needing cleaning up then |
| 01:48.01 | Amarande | not just for crafting, but there's a lot of sloppy tooltips in 4.0.1 in general |
| 01:48.11 | Amarande | almost like they tried to rush this patch out the door :| |
| 01:48.20 | Dagmar | bugs@blizzard.com. |
| 01:51.52 | Dagmar | I don't know why you think that one's something that was recently "broken" tho |
| 01:52.15 | Dagmar | Leatherworking specialties went away a long time ago. We just basically have all three at once now. |
| 01:53.14 | Amarande | I thought they weren't properly removed till 4.0.1, and in LK they just didn't add any new stuff |
| 01:55.44 | Dagmar | No, it's been that way for at least since Wrath came out |
| 01:59.06 | Amarande | ah. never got past about 200-210 on a LW before this. |
| 01:59.14 | Amarande | the required mats were dizzying. |
| 01:59.34 | Zasurus | Is it posible to pass values to functions by name as in: |
| 01:59.35 | Amarande | I believe I've gone on record as saying "enough leather to outfit every bondage dungeon in the state about ten times over" |
| 01:59.37 | Zasurus | function test123(test1,test2) |
| 01:59.48 | Amarande | literally, you can buy out the entire AH of leather of X type and still need to go farm. |
| 02:00.48 | Dagmar | When your'e skinning, it isn't really a problem. |
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| 02:28.38 | Syncness | was there an addon that changes trinkets based on if you're mounted or not |
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| 02:30.46 | Hirsute | Outfitter will |
| 02:30.55 | Hirsute | I imagine ItemRack and ClosetGnome probably will as well. |
| 02:31.13 | Hirsute | I haven't used that functionality in aeons, though. |
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| 02:42.53 | Hirsute | Okay, troll druid flight form? Totally win. |
| 02:45.26 | awweaver | I want Tauren Flight form, no not druid..Cow FLight form |
| 02:45.44 | awweaver | "When Cows Fly!" |
| 02:46.03 | awweaver | Man this is taking forever.... |
| 02:46.26 | awweaver | Im shrinking a drive on my computer by 300GB to mak a backup drive to backup wiondows... |
| 02:48.05 | Dagmar | 300gb takes a WHILE to move |
| 02:48.13 | Dagmar | ...especially when it's a live NTFS filesystem. |
| 02:49.26 | awweaver | yea... |
| 02:49.31 | awweaver | it finally finished |
| 02:50.08 | awweaver | apparently 300GB is not enought |
| 02:50.37 | awweaver | oh well |
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| 03:15.41 | TC-Away | Ackis: lol, netflix is not a game |
| 03:16.56 | Syncness | Hirsute, is there anything more lightweight |
| 03:18.32 | Hirsute | Syncness: Well, no idea. None of those addons is exactly heavy, really. I don't imagine anyone has maintained addons that only swap trinkets when mounted, as they stop being useful at level 70. You could search for "mount trinket" at Wow Interface and Curse. |
| 03:19.21 | Syncness | Hirsute, oh yeah, Riding crop doesn't work at 70. |
| 03:19.27 | Syncness | Zzz, I don't need the addon then lol |
| 03:19.31 | Syncness | thanks anyway |
| 03:19.37 | Hirsute | No worries |
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| 03:28.41 | Thunder_Child | http://i54.tinypic.com/10yj1pz.jpg |
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| 04:30.06 | Sintacks | |11:29:32 pm| * Unable to connect to server (Connection refused) |
| 04:30.08 | Sintacks | all the freaking time :| |
| 04:32.32 | Thunder_Child | stop being so mean to the server then |
| 04:32.50 | Sintacks | How do i tell it to bend over and take it like a man |
| 04:33.04 | Thunder_Child | DDoS |
| 04:33.43 | Sintacks | kbrb |
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| 04:42.14 | Nobgul | Wheeee |
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| 05:21.34 | Hirsute | Hrmmm. In lua, is there ever any reason I'd want to do "local mytab = {"foo","bar","banana"}; local function tcut (sometab) table.remove(sometab,2) return sometab end; mytab = tcut(mytab)" instead of just local mytab = {"foo","bar","banana"}; local function tcut (sometab) table.remove(sometab,2) end"? |
| 05:22.00 | Hirsute | followed by tcut(mytab) |
| 05:23.21 | Iriel | function chaining perhaps |
| 05:23.48 | Iriel | tcut(tcut(mytab)) |
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| 05:44.18 | Amarande | awwww, no more dreamscales next patch :( |
| 05:45.13 | Amarande | they're turning the dream portal dragons into quest givers |
| 05:45.39 | Amarande | beta people: hmm, I wonder if that means there's no more groups of hostile trash green dragons around the portals either, so Green Dragonscale may be unobtainable as well? |
| 05:49.42 | Arrowmaster | doesnt sunken temple still have green dragons? |
| 05:51.12 | DarthAndroid_ | Is there any reason why somefunction'string' is better than somefunction('string') ? Is one more efficient than the other? |
| 05:53.28 | Amarande | ah yes, those do give full-on green dragonscale |
| 05:53.37 | Amarande | and not green whelp scale like the ones from swamp do if I remember |
| 05:53.46 | Cide | DarthAndroid_: no. it's only stupider |
| 05:53.52 | Amarande | definitely no more dreamscales, though |
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| 05:54.26 | Cide | it's used in some cases to imitate keywords and I know some authors like to do so because their love for obfuscation is strong |
| 05:54.33 | Cide | but don't do it for god's sake |
| 05:54.36 | Cide | good night |
| 05:54.39 | DarthAndroid_ | lol |
| 06:01.19 | Shirik | Cide |
| 06:01.20 | Shirik | seriously |
| 06:01.20 | Shirik | wtf |
| 06:01.25 | Shirik | I am going to murder you |
| 06:02.26 | Amarande | also: do cobalt mageweavers actually still drop the arcanite dragonling schematic or did they actually remove it from them and now you can only get it from the merchant in the wormhole? |
| 06:02.43 | Amarande | or is it Random Loot is Random + Just That Rare? |
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| 06:03.23 | DarthAndroid_ | Shirik: because of the exit, or because of misinformation? |
| 06:03.27 | Amarande | I keep getting the greater arcane protection potion recipe and the robe of winter night pattern, but never the arcanite dragonling schematic |
| 06:03.31 | Shirik | because he left |
| 06:03.40 | DarthAndroid_ | ah. |
| 06:03.46 | Shirik | Also |
| 06:03.49 | Shirik | He's slightly wrong |
| 06:03.53 | Shirik | There are some good reasons to do that |
| 06:04.06 | DarthAndroid_ | can you elaborate? |
| 06:04.16 | Shirik | If you want to mess with structure it's useful |
| 06:04.23 | Shirik | I wrote a library that gives you more object-oriented like behavior |
| 06:04.33 | Shirik | You can create classes by writing `class "Foo" { ... }` |
| 06:04.48 | Shirik | Which translates into class("Foo")({...}) |
| 06:04.57 | Arrowmaster | it does? |
| 06:04.59 | DarthAndroid_ | interesting. |
| 06:05.07 | DarthAndroid_ | i didn't know you could have spaces |
| 06:05.18 | Shirik | lua> loadstring('class "Foo" { }') |
| 06:05.18 | lua_bot | Shirik: function: 0x9027f28 |
| 06:05.26 | Shirik | Arrowmaster ^ |
| 06:06.22 | DarthAndroid_ | so if a function is missing (), it consumes the next term on the line as the first argument and executes the function? |
| 06:06.45 | Amarande | also regarding winterspring: if you're in somewhere like the cave in mazthoril and deathwing strafes winterspring, do you actually survive it? |
| 06:07.10 | Shirik | DarthAndroid_: I don't like how you explained it, but yes |
| 06:07.14 | Amarande | like say if you're all the way down where the named elites are |
| 06:08.19 | Amarande | or if you're at the bottom of Jaedenar when he hits Felwood |
| 06:09.43 | Amarande | do people in such underground subzones stand in the fire, or are only people on the surface affected? |
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| 06:23.36 | Shirik | Anyone here really good with Japanese? |
| 06:27.14 | Arrowmaster | i know less than you |
| 06:27.42 | Mirrormn | I'm really good at not knowing anything about it |
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| 06:38.06 | Shirik | ããã±ããèã´ãæãstã©ã³ä¸ã½ãããï½ |
| 06:38.10 | Shirik | eh |
| 06:38.15 | Shirik | japanese have some strange policies * |
| 06:38.26 | Shirik | also talking to japanese and english simultaneously on irc is annoying |
| 06:41.19 | Amarande | W T F. |
| 06:41.31 | Amarande | I just got [Recipe: Greater Arcane Protection Potion] from three Cobalt Mageweavers in a row. |
| 06:41.47 | Amarande | That makes 3 of the useless BoP robe recipe and 5 of the potion recipe and still no dragonling schematic |
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| 07:00.25 | Shirik | ~ping |
| 07:00.25 | purl | ~pong |
| 07:00.28 | Shirik | ~tackle Esamynn |
| 07:00.28 | purl | ACTION tackles Esamynn to the ground. |
| 07:00.46 | Esamynn | ~poke Shirik |
| 07:00.47 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Shirik, pokes Shirik repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 07:01.25 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Cairenn -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ || 4.0.x ToC: 40000 || #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting || Cata Beta UI download: http://bit.ly/cvplpG || Congratulations KarlKFI! |
| 07:02.00 | Shirik | cheers at KarlKFI |
| 07:03.23 | Esamynn | bit early, aren't we? |
| 07:03.48 | Cairenn | I'm about to go sleep, and he's going to be logging off at some point Soon (tm), so |
| 07:03.53 | Esamynn | lol |
| 07:04.00 | Esamynn | wait, you sleep? |
| 07:04.02 | Esamynn | at this hour? |
| 07:04.06 | Shirik | what is a sleep? |
| 07:04.10 | Esamynn | who are you, and what have you done with Cairenn? |
| 07:04.16 | Shirik | those are those things we count down to blizzcon right? |
| 07:04.38 | Cairenn | Shirik: yes |
| 07:06.04 | KarlKFI | yeah i should prolly sleep sometime soon |
| 07:08.07 | KarlKFI | got the tux and the rehersal and the dinner out of the way |
| 07:08.20 | KarlKFI | just gotta do it for real this time |
| 07:08.59 | Shirik | oh |
| 07:08.59 | Cairenn | :) |
| 07:09.04 | Shirik | so you can still back out |
| 07:09.09 | Shirik | good, there's still time for you to come to your senses |
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| 07:09.45 | KarlKFI | considering the investments by all parties i dont think backing out would be fiscally responsible |
| 07:15.42 | Dagmar | That and he's liable to get his nuts torn off. |
| 07:26.28 | KarlKFI | yeah. i like those |
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| 07:37.25 | Fisker | i don't feel so well Shirik |
| 07:37.34 | Fisker | what are we celebrating btw? |
| 07:38.49 | Shirik | we are celebrating you getting sick |
| 07:39.05 | Fisker | that is a jerk move |
| 07:40.12 | Fisker | btw |
| 07:40.20 | Fisker | Blizzard chose the worst release date for cataclysm |
| 07:41.31 | Fisker | agree with me Shirik or die |
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| 07:44.19 | greppy | Fisker: why do you think it's the worst release date? |
| 07:44.40 | Fisker | because i just found out that Bejeweled 3 is released at the same date |
| 07:45.06 | greppy | maybe they will release a wow addon of it at the same time? |
| 07:48.17 | Fisker | no |
| 07:51.34 | Shirik | why does amazon.com have cataclysm collectors edition for $200? |
| 07:52.57 | nevcairiel | because they can? |
| 07:53.09 | Shirik | Or I can order it from walmart for $80 |
| 07:53.11 | nevcairiel | probably not amazon as seller |
| 07:53.17 | nevcairiel | rather some other dude |
| 07:54.29 | Fisker | or i can kill Shirik |
| 07:54.48 | Shirik | how do you kill a robot |
| 07:54.54 | nevcairiel | EMP |
| 07:55.16 | nevcairiel | or chopping into pieces |
| 07:56.18 | Jerub | nevcairiel: sneeze |
| 07:56.21 | Jerub | robots are fragile, yo. |
| 07:56.40 | Shirik | Incorrect |
| 07:56.58 | nevcairiel | chopping into pieces works against pretty much everything |
| 07:57.05 | Shirik | nope |
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| 07:57.29 | Shirik | The nanobots inside will rebuild as two smaller robots |
| 07:57.39 | nevcairiel | who said 2 pieces |
| 07:57.48 | Shirik | you cannot succeed |
| 07:57.55 | Shirik | every cut you make will simply spawn more robots |
| 07:57.58 | Hirsute | This sounds like it'll become a sorcerer's apprentice situation pretty quick. |
| 07:58.19 | zenzelezz | http://i.imgur.com/uLEQr.jpg |
| 07:58.22 | Amarande | nevcairiel: obviously you've never fought slimes in Ultima IV and V :) |
| 07:58.29 | nevcairiel | I'll fall back to my EMP then |
| 07:58.31 | Shirik | there is only one way to deal with a renegade robot |
| 07:58.41 | Shirik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGSVYgcy24Q |
| 07:59.01 | nevcairiel | thats you? explains alot |
| 07:59.24 | Shirik | :/ |
| 07:59.26 | Shirik | that's not what I said |
| 07:59.41 | Fisker | i once killed a guy |
| 07:59.49 | Amarande | Shirik: according to my current order status, with one-day shipping I'm still paying 89.97, not 200 |
| 07:59.54 | Hirsute | Shirik: That video frightens me. |
| 07:59.56 | nevcairiel | its not like we're having a useful discussion, so facts are not really valid |
| 07:59.57 | Amarande | that one you're seeing at near 200 is from a third party seller |
| 08:00.19 | nevcairiel | Amarande: probably because the copys amazon had are sold out |
| 08:00.58 | Amarande | nevcairiel: ah, so only those of us who already locked in a preorder are getting it then |
| 08:01.08 | nevcairiel | thats what i would think |
| 08:01.31 | Amarande | the sucky thing though is that the delivery date's the 9th |
| 08:01.41 | Amarande | even with one day shipping |
| 08:01.50 | Shirik | really? |
| 08:01.54 | Shirik | I thought they usually ship it early |
| 08:02.09 | Amarande | Shirik, I guess Blizz/Activision must consider the common policy of shipping it early for release date delivery to be a street date violation :| |
| 08:02.20 | Amarande | probably because they want people zerging the retail stores |
| 08:02.26 | Shirik | I don't really get the "street date violation" problem |
| 08:02.28 | Shirik | like |
| 08:02.31 | nevcairiel | WoW was never delivered before release day |
| 08:02.36 | Amarande | (presumably because they know that Gamestop will pressure anyone who doesn't have SC2 already into buying that, too) |
| 08:02.42 | Shirik | you control the game server |
| 08:02.59 | Shirik | even if someone got it a week early it's not like it'd help them |
| 08:03.09 | nevcairiel | I dont think they care much about retail stores. People that just want to play at 0:00 just buy the online thing |
| 08:03.46 | Amarande | Will it actually go online at 0:00 and then have just a few hours of being up before a server reset, anyway? |
| 08:03.57 | Amarande | I'd presume they'd initiate Cata when the servers come back up after maint that day |
| 08:04.06 | nevcairiel | there will be no maint |
| 08:04.10 | nevcairiel | unless the servers break |
| 08:04.17 | Amarande | then when's 4.0.3 hitting? |
| 08:04.23 | nevcairiel | a week earlier |
| 08:04.23 | Amarande | they never have patch day without maint |
| 08:04.45 | nevcairiel | they always patched before the release |
| 08:04.55 | Amarande | so basically that means on 11/30, we actually see the world changes that come with Cataclysm that don't actually require it be installed and activated to use? |
| 08:04.57 | nevcairiel | so people could play the expansion without a silly maint interruption |
| 08:05.13 | nevcairiel | most likely, yes |
| 08:05.29 | nevcairiel | Its already a known fact that everyone gets the old-world revamp |
| 08:05.33 | nevcairiel | even if you dont get cataclysm |
| 08:05.40 | Amarande | heh. you can wander into Uldum and die on mobs five levels above you that you have no way of getting high enough level to face then! :) |
| 08:05.48 | nevcairiel | no |
| 08:05.54 | nevcairiel | you cant enter new zones without buying it |
| 08:06.09 | Amarande | don't tell me they're actually doing the white portal crap in the middle of Azeroth now |
| 08:06.27 | Amarande | the one in EPL/Ghostlands seems out of place enough as it is |
| 08:06.38 | nevcairiel | maybe the entrance is phased out or something when you dont have cata |
| 08:06.53 | Amarande | that would have worked before Azerothian flying |
| 08:07.09 | nevcairiel | or they just port you out when you try to go there |
| 08:07.09 | Amarande | but unless the new zones, or everything adjacent to new zones are no fly zones *solely* to prevent non-owners from entering ... |
| 08:07.15 | Fisker | hey Amarande |
| 08:07.19 | Amarande | now *that* could be. like all the times people tried to get into Hyjal. :) |
| 08:07.46 | Amarande | or it could be that you actually have to purchase cata to be able to buy the azerothian flight license? |
| 08:07.58 | nevcairiel | might be, not sure |
| 08:08.30 | Amarande | (I'm going to guess that Hyjal's probably only accessible by flying mount, unless they expect us to go all the way down Winterspring) |
| 08:08.43 | nevcairiel | i think you can actually walk there |
| 08:09.01 | Amarande | they unblock that tunnel in the back of the demon part of winterspring? |
| 08:09.13 | nevcairiel | it was redesigned |
| 08:09.54 | Xyphoid | how big's 4.0.3 anyway |
| 08:10.49 | adys_ | Is it me or do the google doodles look less and less like the google logo :P |
| 08:10.56 | Amarande | 11/30: "Sorry, Mankrik ... your wife dissolved into lava today" |
| 08:11.10 | Hirsute | Aaah. SecondsToTime returns an escaped string. I was using it to put times in messages in the chatframe and it looked great, but when it was displayed in an addon it was looking all-sorts of weird, because it's an escaped string. |
| 08:11.22 | nevcairiel | so un-escape it |
| 08:11.24 | Amarande | that also reminds me. does cata lava actually look like lava, or does it still look like orange fanta like all the other lava in the game already? :) |
| 08:11.45 | Xyphoid | there is new lava already with 4.0.1 |
| 08:11.47 | Xyphoid | in live |
| 08:12.04 | Amarande | hmm, I'm trying to remember now what it looked like when I went thru BRD |
| 08:12.11 | Amarande | I seem to think it still resembled orange soda though |
| 08:12.17 | Hirsute | nevcairiel: I have now, it just took me a while of looking at my own code trying to figure out how I was screwing the string up before I realized it wasn't that I was screwing it up, it was that it was formatted. |
| 08:12.25 | Amarande | I'm really not quite sure why it's so difficult to draw lava correctly in a 3D modeling context :) |
| 08:12.31 | Shirik | .............. |
| 08:12.32 | Shirik | ok |
| 08:12.35 | Shirik | this is just getting stupid |
| 08:12.39 | nevcairiel | adys_: well, todays doesnt have the logo in it at all |
| 08:12.46 | adys_ | it does actually |
| 08:12.49 | adys_ | well |
| 08:12.53 | Amarande | Shirik: what is? |
| 08:12.59 | Shirik | The new LG phone has a capability where you can tell the phone "Send text message" and then speak into it, and it will transcribe and send a text message for you |
| 08:13.06 | Shirik | Seriously |
| 08:13.07 | adys_ | it has a rough object that may look like the shape of each letter |
| 08:13.13 | Shirik | Could we just get back to using a phone AS A PHONE |
| 08:13.13 | adys_ | and it has 6 of them |
| 08:13.21 | Hirsute | Shirik: That's a pretty standard Android feature. |
| 08:13.26 | Shirik | That is incredibly stupid |
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| 08:13.45 | nevcairiel | adys_: thats alot of interpretation |
| 08:14.07 | adys_ | http://www.google.gr/logos/2010/stevenson10-hp.jpg |
| 08:14.31 | adys_ | flag is the L if you were wondering |
| 08:14.36 | nevcairiel | yeah, it doesnt scream "Google" at me |
| 08:14.37 | Jamash | anyone know of an addon that gives "witty" replies in trade chat to people who swear? |
| 08:14.42 | adys_ | it doesnt at me either |
| 08:14.58 | adys_ | Jamash, try to develop your own sense of wit first |
| 08:15.32 | Amarande | Shirik: I'm sure that feature will lose its luster when people's friendships and relationships get strained due to text messages misheard by the voice dictation feature ;) |
| 08:15.35 | Jamash | someone on my server is using one and I want to find out who wrote it so I can murder them |
| 08:15.40 | zenzelezz | I don't really have a problem with people who swear in trade chat, I'm more annoyed by the idiots |
| 08:15.52 | Amarande | and you know what I'd *really* like to see in cata (but we probably won't :()? |
| 08:15.57 | zenzelezz | Jamash: aha |
| 08:15.57 | Amarande | Mailboxes in the very very starting spots. |
| 08:16.11 | nevcairiel | new chars have no use for mail |
| 08:16.16 | Jamash | YES THEY DO |
| 08:16.27 | Amarande | As it is, you either have to make a sometimes dangerous run depending on your race at level 1, or wait till level 5-6 or so before you can pick up the bags you sent your new alt from your tailor. |
| 08:16.28 | Jamash | and I think the starting areas do indeed have mailboxes |
| 08:16.40 | Jamash | and all your companions |
| 08:16.42 | mikma | nevcairiel: i like to mail my heirlooms and money + bags to my alts |
| 08:16.42 | Jamash | and gold |
| 08:16.45 | Amarande | Jamash: not till Razor Hill/Brill/Farstrider's Square |
| 08:16.50 | nevcairiel | leveling to lvl 6 to reach the first real town takes like an hour |
| 08:16.53 | Computerpunk | http://artoftrolling.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/problemsecurity.gif?w=500&h=375 |
| 08:16.58 | nevcairiel | and it isnt significantly faster with heirlooms :p |
| 08:17.02 | Amarande | nevcairiel: during which time you will at least once wish for your bags, though |
| 08:17.29 | Amarande | are you telling me you don't mail bags to every new alt as soon as you make one ;) |
| 08:18.02 | Jamash | amarande: in cata? |
| 08:18.18 | Jamash | I'm pretty sure there's a mailbox in the new sen'jin isles |
| 08:18.23 | nevcairiel | I mail them to them, but i don't worry about running to the next mail box |
| 08:18.37 | Amarande | Jamash: I'm talking about The Den/Deathknell/whatsitsname Isle that characters are created at |
| 08:18.39 | nevcairiel | i just pick them up once i get there |
| 08:18.47 | Amarande | speaking of bags |
| 08:18.53 | Amarande | screams |
| 08:19.07 | Jamash | well, let's find out |
| 08:19.10 | Amarande | to make five frostweave bags for the new alt, four to carry and one for the bank requires 300 frostweave cloth :| |
| 08:19.20 | Amarande | and there's not even half that on the AH :| |
| 08:19.31 | Amarande | and that's counting the stack some joker is selling for 300g |
| 08:19.32 | Xyphoid | haha, bank bags for alts? |
| 08:19.41 | Xyphoid | what do you even put in there until 80 |
| 08:19.47 | Jamash | everything! |
| 08:19.49 | Amarande | Xyphoid: gathered mats for profession grinds |
| 08:20.21 | Amarande | especially if you're doing something like BS or LW that requires a stupid amount of mats |
| 08:20.40 | nevcairiel | the nelf starting zone has a mailbox now |
| 08:20.40 | Amarande | or even eng, which is not too easy on the mats either |
| 08:20.42 | nevcairiel | fwiw |
| 08:21.01 | Xyphoid | heeey, tundra mammoths are level 40 |
| 08:21.11 | Xyphoid | now that's a levelling enhancement tool |
| 08:21.12 | nevcairiel | all mounts are lvl 40 |
| 08:21.15 | Amarande | Xyphoid: they're epic ground mounts, they always have been |
| 08:21.36 | nevcairiel | all mounts scale with riding skill now |
| 08:21.50 | Amarande | *sigh* I wonder how long it's going to take to farm 231 frostweave cloth. |
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| 08:21.58 | Xyphoid | netherweave bags? |
| 08:22.49 | nevcairiel | well, from the nelf starting area having a mailbox, i assume the others have one too |
| 08:23.01 | Amarande | Xyphoid: since frostweave is still yellow it seems like a better option :) |
| 08:23.17 | Amarande | seeing as all the other stuff that gives skill ups at this point needs even MORE stupendous amounts of mats |
| 08:23.33 | Amarande | guess I'd better get used to healing UK over and over and over and over until I have enough. |
| 08:23.50 | Jamash | yes, ther is a mailbox in deathknell |
| 08:23.57 | Amarande | ah, so they did add them then |
| 08:24.01 | Amarande | is there one in the belf starting area too? |
| 08:24.12 | Jamash | make an alt yo own lazy self and check |
| 08:24.22 | Amarande | the last time I started one was just before 4.0 and because she was a hunter and because of the whole starting pet bullshit I made a point to get her well past 10 before 4.0 |
| 08:24.34 | Amarande | (did they ever fix the starting pet bugs, btw?) |
| 08:24.49 | Dagmar | yes, thank god |
| 08:26.32 | Amarande | ah good. |
| 08:27.14 | Amarande | before that I kept warning people starting hunters to get them to 10 before patch |
| 08:27.28 | Amarande | the Control Pet thing was just BS, though |
| 08:27.31 | Mirrormn | hrm, why are we congratulating KarlKFI? |
| 08:27.48 | Jamash | so in beta you can abandon a warlock pet for 50g |
| 08:28.14 | Amarande | Mirror: from what I saw earlier about rehearsals and tux I'm guessing he's getting hitched |
| 08:29.08 | Mirrormn | ah |
| 08:31.22 | Fisker | Jamash |
| 08:31.29 | Dagmar | No, just a fancy dress vasectomy. |
| 08:33.05 | adys_ | Shirik |
| 08:33.10 | adys_ | win32 makes me shoot people |
| 08:33.13 | adys_ | RtlEnumerateGenericTableLikeADirectory :( |
| 08:33.19 | adys_ | RtlEnumerateLetsPutTheDocumentationInTheFunctionName |
| 08:34.24 | Shirik | adys_ :) |
| 08:34.29 | Shirik | It is very unambiguous |
| 08:34.34 | Shirik | my favorite one still is |
| 08:34.48 | nevcairiel | one with three Ex at the end? :d |
| 08:35.37 | Shirik | yeah |
| 08:35.40 | Shirik | I can't find it |
| 08:36.09 | Fisker | old Computerpunk |
| 08:36.31 | Shirik | ah here it is |
| 08:36.33 | Shirik | http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd317808(v=VS.85).aspx |
| 08:36.38 | Computerpunk | :< Fisker :< |
| 08:36.47 | adys_ | thats only two Ex |
| 08:36.52 | Shirik | whatever |
| 08:36.58 | Shirik | I don't think there's an ExExEx function |
| 08:37.06 | Fisker | i think i recall seeing one :E |
| 08:37.35 | Fisker | but i probably didn't |
| 08:37.48 | Computerpunk | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4171558/china-japan-gold-traders-stamp-programming-needed-help |
| 08:39.07 | adys_ | still makes me cry either way Shirik |
| 08:39.45 | adys_ | in other terrible news |
| 08:39.56 | adys_ | end of the half-season of the mentalist on the 18th :( |
| 08:40.31 | Shirik | good |
| 08:40.35 | Shirik | I don't even know what that is |
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| 08:41.12 | adys_ | jesus you fail |
| 08:41.23 | Shirik | I'm not jesus |
| 08:41.59 | adys_ | thats what you want us all to think |
| 08:44.18 | Mirrormn | "If therefore you shall not watch, I will come on you as a thief, and you shall not know what hour I will come on you." |
| 08:44.26 | Mirrormn | jesus is a very sneaky fellow |
| 08:44.52 | Mirrormn | (Rev 3:3) |
| 08:45.50 | Fisker | wanna kill me Shirik ? |
| 08:46.35 | Mirrormn | I think Jesus might be this guy actually http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCA0Lpy671g |
| 08:47.09 | Shirik | waaaaaaaaaaat |
| 08:47.14 | Shirik | I just saw a cata commercial |
| 08:47.20 | Mirrormn | wow watching adam sandler "act" is painful |
| 08:47.40 | Mirrormn | a commercial for The Clysm? |
| 08:48.01 | Fisker | kill me Shirik |
| 08:49.14 | Mirrormn | that commercial makes WoW seem like it has 100,000,000x better graphics than it actually does |
| 08:49.21 | Mirrormn | which I find amusing |
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| 08:50.32 | zenzelezz | I'm intrigued that people keep complaining about WoW's graphics. Certainly it's not the best there is, but I find it more than good enough, and in many ways better than others |
| 08:50.39 | Jamash | fisker |
| 08:51.02 | Mirrormn | actually |
| 08:51.13 | Mirrormn | the new spell animations in cata are generally pretty sweet |
| 08:51.27 | Mirrormn | well |
| 08:51.33 | Mirrormn | the new spell animations in 4.0 |
| 08:51.49 | Fisker | Jamasher |
| 08:52.01 | Dagmar | What about my drums! |
| 08:52.05 | Shirik | zenzelezz: You haven't played any recenet RPGs I'm going to assume |
| 08:52.08 | Shirik | recent* |
| 08:52.13 | adys_ | Mirrormn, is that sandler? |
| 08:52.22 | Dagmar | Drums of the Wild should be renamed to "Noobcake Bongos" |
| 08:52.32 | Jamash | Fiskerdillio |
| 08:52.32 | zenzelezz | Shirik: yes I have |
| 08:52.43 | Mirrormn | adys_: huh? |
| 08:53.09 | adys_ | the actor |
| 08:53.12 | Shirik | zenzelezz: I find WoW to be a bit behind in the graphics department |
| 08:53.26 | Shirik | though the spell effects are alright |
| 08:53.33 | Fisker | why do you hurt me Jamash ? |
| 08:53.35 | Mirrormn | the first guy who talks in the clip is adam sandler (the guy walking in the door) |
| 08:53.53 | Mirrormn | the guy who says "I am very very sneaky sir" is john turturro |
| 08:54.12 | zenzelezz | Shirik: "behind" and "bad" are vastly different topics |
| 08:54.12 | Jamash | wow is as good as any game that I have seen in terms of graphics |
| 08:54.12 | nevcairiel | the new zones are awesome as well (and the ones they re-did nearly completly) |
| 08:54.20 | Shirik | not in the gaming industry |
| 08:54.24 | Shirik | behind is always bad |
| 08:54.31 | zenzelezz | nope |
| 08:54.38 | Jamash | Shirik: you're always bad |
| 08:54.42 | Shirik | I know |
| 08:54.49 | Mirrormn | in terms of photorealism, it's undoubtedly far behind |
| 08:55.03 | nevcairiel | WoW doesnt want to be photorealistic |
| 08:55.07 | Shirik | I just want smoother graphics |
| 08:55.10 | nevcairiel | its comic graphic is supposed to look like that |
| 08:55.14 | Mirrormn | in terms of presenting an enjoyable, understandable, and consistent aesthetic, it's great |
| 08:55.19 | Jamash | Fisker: because you send me packages of small, unmarked bills to do so |
| 08:55.24 | Shirik | no more pointy elbows |
| 08:55.30 | Shirik | I'm so glad they finally have real shadows though |
| 08:55.31 | zenzelezz | I doubt many people sat around doing the lich king thinking "Man, this fight is okay, but look at the lack of normal mapping, the simple specular lighting, and so on" |
| 08:55.39 | Shirik | I did! |
| 08:55.43 | zenzelezz | but you suck |
| 08:55.47 | Shirik | ow :( |
| 08:55.57 | Fisker | i do not Jamash |
| 08:56.00 | Fisker | but Shirik is a jerk |
| 08:56.06 | Shirik | ãµ |
| 08:56.11 | nevcairiel | Shirik: did you play the new zones in the beta? |
| 08:56.16 | Shirik | not really |
| 08:56.18 | Jamash | well, then you should find out who's sending me packages of small, unmarked bills in your name |
| 08:56.22 | Shirik | I spent too much time kicking addons |
| 08:56.24 | nevcairiel | did you look at them? :p |
| 08:56.25 | Mirrormn | for example, I've been playing Fallout New Vegas for the past weak and a half and it looks absolutely terrible in many places, despite being much newer, much more photorealistic, and much more demanding on my graphics card |
| 08:56.33 | Mirrormn | *week |
| 08:56.35 | Shirik | a little |
| 08:56.37 | nevcairiel | hyjal and deepholme are visually awesome, imho |
| 08:56.40 | Jamash | yeah, new vegas is ugly |
| 08:56.41 | Shirik | I'm ok with the environments |
| 08:56.50 | Jamash | maybe it's supposed to be ugly? |
| 08:56.54 | Shirik | I just really don't like the character models |
| 08:57.12 | Mirrormn | there's a difference between presenting a bleak environment and just being ugly |
| 08:57.15 | Jamash | true |
| 08:57.20 | Xyphoid | i'd love a new human model |
| 08:57.30 | Xyphoid | or nelf |
| 08:57.36 | Jamash | I agree that they should update the original character models |
| 08:57.39 | Mirrormn | the faces in New Vegas look like sacks of shit |
| 08:57.57 | nevcairiel | changing the character models would create so much crying, because there is always people that like the old one |
| 08:57.59 | Mirrormn | and a lot of the terrain is extremely bland |
| 08:58.12 | Xyphoid | that's fine let us change it in the barber |
| 08:58.14 | Jamash | ok, allow people to choose between old and new character models |
| 08:58.26 | Napoleone | and maybe also age |
| 08:58.28 | Mirrormn | that would be silly |
| 08:58.31 | Xyphoid | i think my hat is more detailed than the rest of my body |
| 08:58.35 | Shirik | I have to give nevcairiel |
| 08:58.36 | Shirik | credit |
| 08:58.40 | Jamash | put in a goblin up-rezzer npc |
| 08:58.44 | Shirik | I hate the new druid models |
| 08:59.00 | Jamash | I like the new druid stuff except the troll cat and bear forms |
| 08:59.07 | Jamash | the troll bat form is awesome |
| 08:59.08 | Shirik | no |
| 08:59.11 | Mirrormn | New Vegas is fun, though, I made a ridiculous sniper character that can basically one-shot any enemy from 100 yards away =S |
| 08:59.13 | Shirik | I mean the "new" druid models |
| 08:59.19 | Shirik | i.e., the ones they released ... a year? ago |
| 08:59.28 | Jamash | those are rad |
| 08:59.32 | Shirik | no |
| 08:59.32 | Jamash | you are bad |
| 08:59.41 | Jamash | fisker is sad |
| 08:59.48 | Shirik | Shirik is rad |
| 08:59.54 | Xyphoid | they don't amazingly thrill me but oh god anything's better than tauren catform |
| 08:59.54 | Shirik | oh you already used that |
| 08:59.56 | Mirrormn | icc came out a little under a year ago, iirc new druid forms came out with toc |
| 08:59.57 | Jamash | a legend in his own mind |
| 09:00.04 | Mirrormn | so it would be closer to a year and a half ago |
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| 09:00.11 | Shirik | I lovewd the old tauren cat form |
| 09:00.21 | Mirrormn | oh! |
| 09:00.22 | Xyphoid | so you're the one |
| 09:00.26 | Mirrormn | GSL stream starts now! |
| 09:00.55 | Mirrormn | haha oh lord I can barely load their site |
| 09:01.30 | Fisker | old Mirrormn |
| 09:01.48 | Computerpunk | How can I find out the window name of what I'm currently mousing over? |
| 09:02.14 | Mirrormn | huh? |
| 09:02.28 | Jamash | "/framestack" |
| 09:02.32 | Shirik | ok |
| 09:02.36 | Shirik | assy mcgee just came on adult swim |
| 09:02.37 | Computerpunk | Thanks Jamash. |
| 09:02.39 | Shirik | I refuse to watch this, good night |
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| 09:03.17 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 09:03.20 | Jamash | those guys at adult swim seem to have some sort of mission to find out what the absolute worst thing they can possibly show on basic cable is |
| 09:03.41 | Jamash | super milk chan, tgttm, assy mcgee... |
| 09:03.50 | Jamash | taeasgj |
| 09:04.34 | Napoleone | ½½ |
| 09:05.08 | Napoleone | or age as in age of char is calculated in 10+(lvl/4) |
| 09:05.13 | Napoleone | since you are basically 80 season old ;P |
| 09:05.26 | Computerpunk | Thanks Jamash. |
| 09:05.37 | Jamash | you're welcome |
| 09:05.41 | Computerpunk | I never knew Carbonite has support for unit frames. ._. |
| 09:06.25 | Napoleone | it did? |
| 09:06.38 | Computerpunk | Show Info 1 2 |
| 09:06.51 | Computerpunk | Has player and target unit frame support. |
| 09:07.01 | Computerpunk | including special power display. |
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| 09:07.28 | Napoleone | hmm |
| 09:08.30 | Computerpunk | it's small and throttled to some point, but it's good, >.> |
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| 09:11.49 | Napoleone | any fast way to check if yo are in party/raid? |
| 09:12.50 | Jamash | ./ra anyone in here? |
| 09:14.38 | nevcairiel | GetNumPartyMembers/GetNumRaidMembers |
| 09:14.39 | nevcairiel | or so |
| 09:14.43 | Napoleone | ye |
| 09:14.45 | Napoleone | just saw that one ;P |
| 09:14.56 | Napoleone | looking at the api categories in the book ;P |
| 09:16.17 | Napoleone | hmm depending on where red alert 3 got its music from and when its made i think i found a connection between one song and nightwish lol |
| 09:16.39 | Hirsute | Hrmmm. As a rogue, where do I find poisons? Will there be a poison vendor somewhere near my trainer? |
| 09:16.50 | nevcairiel | usually is |
| 09:17.03 | Amarande | um |
| 09:17.09 | Amarande | is Hellfire a normal part of demo lock rotation now? |
| 09:17.13 | Hirsute | Good to know |
| 09:17.47 | Amarande | I have a demo lock hurting himself with hellfire and then complaining when he doesn't get enough heals or pulls aggro because he's too close to mobs |
| 09:17.56 | Jamash | he's a dumbass |
| 09:18.00 | Amarande | and he's like "you obviously haven't played a lock since 4.0.1" :| |
| 09:18.09 | Amarande | (Well, I have, but I play aff so I don't know demo 4.0 at all) |
| 09:18.22 | Jamash | you only hellfire when heals and aggro aren't a problem |
| 09:18.33 | nevcairiel | in 5mans everyone AoEs, so obviously the lock would hellfire :p |
| 09:18.34 | Amarande | yeah, he already killed himself once, then whined about not getting heals |
| 09:18.44 | Jamash | that has nothing to do with what patch it is, that has to do with not being a moron |
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| 09:20.20 | Jamash | tell him if he needs life he has a perfectly good "Drain Life" button |
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| 09:36.38 | Amarande | wtf is this I'm hearing? locks get brez? |
| 09:37.50 | Jerub | Amarande: soulstone? |
| 09:37.57 | Amarande | something in trade about soulstones being able to be used on dead targets soon |
| 09:38.04 | Jerub | that'll be nice |
| 09:38.10 | Jerub | ties in well with the 1 bres per combat |
| 09:38.41 | Jerub | (otherwise you'd be able to have raids full of locks, shammans and druids and be the magical popping raid) |
| 09:39.15 | nevcairiel | I dont think they confirmed that change yet, but it was rumored |
| 09:41.46 | Napoleone | do jp get cleared at catA? |
| 09:41.53 | nevcairiel | no |
| 09:42.01 | nevcairiel | but they only buy you some blue gear |
| 09:42.20 | nevcairiel | and they will be capped at 4000 |
| 09:42.32 | Napoleone | bice still blue gear to get.. |
| 09:42.37 | Napoleone | any more info on that gear? |
| 09:43.18 | Xyphoid | so how many hours would grinding 4000 justice points be right now |
| 09:43.29 | nevcairiel | not much |
| 09:43.32 | nevcairiel | maybe 2 days of instancing |
| 09:43.34 | Napoleone | hmm if you got a fast group about 6 hours |
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| 09:43.50 | nevcairiel | there is around 100 in every instance |
| 09:43.52 | nevcairiel | so 40 runs |
| 09:44.08 | Napoleone | 24+16+16+16+16 isnt 100 |
| 09:44.16 | Napoleone | 82 in average |
| 09:44.24 | Napoleone | 84 |
| 09:44.42 | Humbedooh | no, 88? ;/ |
| 09:44.59 | nevcairiel | dont you get 32 for completion of the instance |
| 09:45.05 | Amarande | yeah, you won't be able to get epics with JP until ... the second tier of cata content comes out I *think* |
| 09:45.47 | Amarande | since when each new tier comes out, the ... dammit what are the good points called gear gets swapped down to cost JPs, and all the good points become JPs |
| 09:45.55 | Napoleone | Conquest |
| 09:45.57 | Jamash | awesome points |
| 09:46.05 | Amarande | I thought Conquest Points were the higher-tier PvP ones |
| 09:46.22 | Amarande | or do raids and rated battlegrounds give the *same* points? |
| 09:46.27 | Jamash | no |
| 09:46.27 | nevcairiel | isnt there just one tier of pvp points |
| 09:46.30 | Jamash | no |
| 09:46.34 | Xyphoid | valor points |
| 09:46.50 | Xyphoid | but yeah i agree with calling them awesome points and suck points |
| 09:46.57 | Computerpunk | hey, Fisker,http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/3042/iseewhatyoudidtherea.jpg. |
| 09:47.03 | Amarande | nev: right now, but that's because the higher tier pvp points are only available from rated play and there's no rated season now till after cata's out |
| 09:49.14 | Jamash | they should call the pve points "Triumph" and "Welfare" and the pvp points "Victory" and "Failure" |
| 09:49.39 | Jamash | You have gained currency: 5 Failure Points. |
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| 09:55.01 | Amarande | Jamash: speaking of which why are normal dungeons giving me *Honor* points? |
| 09:55.03 | Amarande | is that a bug? |
| 09:55.15 | Jamash | Amarande: your faction controls Wintergrasp |
| 09:55.19 | Amarande | ah |
| 09:55.28 | Amarande | why yes, yes we usually do. |
| 09:55.33 | Computerpunk | Amarande, yeah, it's instead of SKS'. |
| 09:55.52 | Amarande | and healer queues are getting as long as DPS ones :( |
| 09:56.02 | Jamash | level a tank imo |
| 09:56.19 | Computerpunk | yeah, nobody plays tank anymore nowadays. |
| 09:56.21 | Amarande | I don't like tanking. I can never get into it as a DK, and I'm planning on making my pally heals. |
| 09:56.23 | Computerpunk | <--- leveling a DK tank. |
| 09:56.25 | nevcairiel | it will go down again in cata when healers notice that they suck at it |
| 09:56.37 | Amarande | Seriously it's not the taking the pain and such, it's the fact that tanks are expected to lead the party all the time whether they want to or not. |
| 09:56.37 | Jamash | I have a dk tank but tanking terrifies me |
| 09:56.50 | Computerpunk | Uhm, nevcairiel, healing is way easier in 81-85. |
| 09:57.15 | Computerpunk | Holy Pala's Radiance is a core healing spell of endgame. |
| 09:57.44 | Computerpunk | I, as a Hunter, feel really crippled for not having Aspect of the Fox and Cobra Shot. |
| 09:57.47 | nevcairiel | no its not. Right now, no healer has to pay attention to mana. Then, they need to. A skill that many healers lack |
| 09:58.12 | Computerpunk | Blizz reduced values of lots of stuff. |
| 09:58.19 | nevcairiel | also i'm not really talking about leveling |
| 09:58.22 | nevcairiel | rather at 85 |
| 09:58.55 | Computerpunk | I know you were talking about 85. |
| 09:59.06 | Computerpunk | but at 81, you get another skill. |
| 09:59.15 | Computerpunk | which is most likely going to change your current rotation. |
| 09:59.32 | nevcairiel | how does that matter? |
| 09:59.40 | nevcairiel | The point is that healing is no mindless spam anymore |
| 09:59.56 | nevcairiel | and bad healers wont be able to adjust to that quickly |
| 10:00.24 | Humbedooh | yay for that |
| 10:00.43 | Computerpunk | They changed pet level when taming. |
| 10:01.23 | Computerpunk | Before it was, PetLevel < HunterLevel - 5 -> PetLevel = HunterLevel - 5. Now, it's 3 isntead of 5. :o |
| 10:01.54 | jnwhiteh | this is the most beligerent LH user I've had to deal with |
| 10:01.57 | jnwhiteh | ever, I think. |
| 10:02.05 | Amarande | seriously. when I have to dot the chaotic rifts AS HEALS |
| 10:02.41 | Napoleone | 23 for hc complete |
| 10:02.56 | nevcairiel | healing is boring, i usually dps while healing on my druid, ending up on #2 or #3 in the stats, at least above one dps, if not 2 |
| 10:03.00 | Xyphoid | so y'all looking forward to a new set of heroics to run for two more years |
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| 10:03.48 | Napoleone | imho opinion they should have made all classic and tbc and wotlk dungs as 85 heroics rewampd |
| 10:03.57 | Napoleone | or randong dungeon that lvl for a bunch |
| 10:04.08 | nevcairiel | that takes alot of developtment effort to balance that |
| 10:04.13 | nevcairiel | thats why they only did 2 |
| 10:04.20 | jnwhiteh | and added new ones |
| 10:04.21 | nevcairiel | development* |
| 10:04.23 | jnwhiteh | *shrug* |
| 10:04.29 | Napoleone | they rewamped.. kepst a few bosses and redid the whole tacs for em. |
| 10:04.35 | jnwhiteh | and will continue to add new ones, as they always do =) |
| 10:04.51 | nevcairiel | maybe they'll also add heroics for other classic dungeons, who knows |
| 10:04.57 | Napoleone | if i want to farm hc's i want a proper random selection ... not just a few ;P |
| 10:05.20 | Napoleone | i wanna see how many gets lost in wc ;p |
| 10:05.24 | Napoleone | or uldaman |
| 10:05.33 | nevcairiel | they have instance maps now |
| 10:05.36 | nevcairiel | its not that bad |
| 10:05.45 | Xyphoid | the BRS map looks hilarious |
| 10:06.54 | Napoleone | why did they split up the instances on low lvls |
| 10:06.59 | Napoleone | brd is in what.. 5 parts? |
| 10:07.22 | jnwhiteh | not anymore |
| 10:07.25 | jnwhiteh | dude, pay attention!\ |
| 10:07.37 | jnwhiteh | wc and brd are the two that were announced as being revamped |
| 10:07.40 | Fisker | duuuuuuuuuude |
| 10:07.41 | jnwhiteh | layout-wise |
| 10:07.57 | Napoleone | hmm |
| 10:08.45 | jnwhiteh | also there are plenty of dungeons shipping with 4.0.3/6 |
| 10:08.57 | jnwhiteh | and 5 levels to get there, so =) |
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| 10:09.48 | nevcairiel | 6? |
| 10:10.25 | nevcairiel | Also, the brd and wc revamps are not in 4.0, thats 4.1 or some other later patch, iirc |
| 10:10.39 | jnwhiteh | I saw a blue post saying that 4.0.6 is giong to be the first post-cata patch |
| 10:10.42 | nevcairiel | but yeah, those kinda need some cleaning. I like brd, but i can see how its just too big for one instance |
| 10:10.43 | jnwhiteh | but I could be wrong |
| 10:10.46 | jnwhiteh | well |
| 10:10.48 | jnwhiteh | they went over BRD |
| 10:10.49 | jnwhiteh | and WC |
| 10:10.51 | jnwhiteh | at blizzcon |
| 10:10.56 | jnwhiteh | so we know they're fixed :P |
| 10:11.02 | nevcairiel | yeah, preview for later patches |
| 10:11.14 | Napoleone | hmm |
| 10:11.28 | jnwhiteh | 4.1 it looks like |
| 10:11.42 | nevcairiel | but they just change the original form of the dungeons, no word about a heroic version |
| 10:11.55 | nevcairiel | just a smoother experience going there while leveling |
| 10:12.59 | Xinhuan | GSL2 finals now |
| 10:13.00 | Xinhuan | gogo |
| 10:13.05 | Xinhuan | boxer vs nestea |
| 10:13.11 | nevcairiel | why would we care |
| 10:13.18 | Xinhuan | some people might |
| 10:13.33 | Mirrormn | boxer's going to change his name to OptimusPrime XD |
| 10:13.45 | Xinhuan | so cool right |
| 10:13.53 | Mirrormn | it's kind of silly |
| 10:13.58 | Mirrormn | but as long as he embraces it |
| 10:14.01 | Mirrormn | it will be cool |
| 10:19.11 | Amarande | oh wow, there's an annoying bug indeed. |
| 10:19.20 | Amarande | sometimes when your party disbands and you're the last one left in a randoms group |
| 10:19.26 | Amarande | it won't even give you teleport out of dungeon and you have to use your hearthstone |
| 10:19.35 | Jamash | walk to the door? |
| 10:19.59 | Amarande | also: that dungeon had to be the coldest welcome ever |
| 10:20.07 | Amarande | I teleport in and I'm right in the middle of mobs with a dead tank |
| 10:20.10 | Amarande | good thing that group had an 80 DK in it |
| 10:20.17 | Mirrormn | so, my dad is remodelling my bathroom right now... so currently, it has no tiling, and there are several large holes in the floor which lead straight down into the basement |
| 10:20.28 | Mirrormn | it's scary in there -.- |
| 10:20.43 | Jamash | Indiana Jones and the Bathroom of Death |
| 10:21.14 | nevcairiel | Amarande: you fail. Click the LFD button on the minimap, it'll port you out |
| 10:21.59 | Amarande | nevcairiel: there was no LFD button |
| 10:22.04 | nevcairiel | sure is. |
| 10:22.07 | Amarande | there normally is ... must have been a glitch |
| 10:22.17 | Amarande | because when the last person besides me left, I also didn't get the usual "your group has been disbanded" notice |
| 10:22.23 | nevcairiel | Its normal, when you're the last person in the group, you stay in the instance |
| 10:22.27 | nevcairiel | so you have to use the button |
| 10:22.34 | Amarande | yeah, and normally I get the button |
| 10:22.36 | Amarande | this one time I didn't for some reason |
| 10:22.48 | Amarande | and I've seen it before every now and then, not sure why |
| 10:22.50 | Amarande | glitch, I guess |
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| 10:26.10 | Jamash | it happened to me once |
| 10:26.49 | Jamash | wasn't the only glitch that run; I also spawned alive at the spirit healer |
| 10:27.29 | Jamash | actually I think that might have been a different glitch, I think the button was there but wouldn't work |
| 10:27.52 | Jamash | since I had re-entered the dungeon while alive, there was nowhere for it to port me out to |
| 10:29.34 | jnwhiteh | yep |
| 10:29.38 | jnwhiteh | that's a bug you can reproduce every time |
| 10:30.42 | Amarande | Jamash: yeah, that spawning alive thing is becoming a major issue |
| 10:30.52 | Jamash | especially on pvp realms |
| 10:30.55 | Amarande | it happens almost 75% of the time maybe in ICC |
| 10:31.03 | Amarande | aaaand of course it doesn't EVER happen in RS |
| 10:31.10 | Amarande | which is where we WISH it would happen with the bug we've been having |
| 10:31.16 | Amarande | omg 18 minute healer queue |
| 10:31.38 | Jamash | the wyrmrest temple disconnect bug? |
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| 10:31.46 | Amarande | in RS, I almost wish we'd pop alive every time, because there's a known bug with the flying ghost mount that results in DCs every wipe |
| 10:31.55 | Jamash | yep, we've had that too |
| 10:31.59 | Amarande | every time I die in RS and have to run back, I DC |
| 10:32.13 | Jamash | try taking a different path |
| 10:32.17 | Amarande | but not *everyone* does for some reason |
| 10:32.18 | Amarande | I'm not sure why |
| 10:32.22 | Jamash | I think it's location sensitive |
| 10:32.29 | Amarande | wonder if some people are getting corrupted data in patches somehow |
| 10:32.40 | Amarande | since I know a bunch of people are also getting "this cinematic is not available" after LK kills, too |
| 10:32.45 | Amarande | wonder if it's somehow related, bad MPQ or something |
| 10:33.36 | Amarande | average wait time 22 min for randoms as heals. omfg. |
| 10:34.36 | Jamash | that's a good quote for a quit message |
| 10:34.53 | Jamash | because it means you're safely out of firing range |
| 10:35.34 | zenzelezz | that quit message is awesome |
| 10:41.47 | Napoleone | where can i find info on the blue gear for justice point? |
| 10:43.23 | Xyphoid | remember when people had heard of ANSI |
| 10:43.52 | Jamash | Napoleone: for what level range? |
| 10:45.40 | Jamash | Xyphoid: ANSI as an institution or ANSI color codes? |
| 10:46.13 | Xyphoid | color codes |
| 10:46.20 | Jamash | ah, yes |
| 10:49.11 | Iriel | Grrr.. minecraft is the devil |
| 10:49.35 | Jamash | oh, is that where you've been |
| 10:49.45 | Napoleone | 80+ |
| 10:50.03 | Iriel | Some of the time... yes |
| 10:50.30 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 10:50.39 | jnwhiteh | i'm waiting for SMP to get fixed a bit more |
| 10:50.46 | Iriel | http://www.cheeseplant.org/~daniel/images/MCWeepingWillow.jpg |
| 10:50.47 | jnwhiteh | then i'll host a server, methink |
| 10:50.49 | Iriel | I made a house. |
| 10:51.15 | Iriel | (Actually i've made several houses, this is just the latest design) |
| 10:51.19 | jnwhiteh | that's a pretty beef house ;p |
| 10:51.21 | jnwhiteh | i'm jealous |
| 10:51.23 | jnwhiteh | I have terrible design |
| 10:51.27 | jnwhiteh | but alas |
| 10:51.39 | Jamash | I'm more comfortable with Dwarf Fortress |
| 10:51.46 | jnwhiteh | why dirt? |
| 10:51.49 | jnwhiteh | visual?\ |
| 10:51.50 | Iriel | I'm waiting for DF to get fixed quite a bit. |
| 10:51.59 | Iriel | Yes, mostly the visual.. Plus I had a LOT of it |
| 10:52.06 | Jamash | DF is always awaiting major fixes |
| 10:52.08 | Iriel | it was supposed to counterpoint the sand tower (to the right) |
| 10:52.21 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 10:52.24 | Iriel | My Minecraft skin is my Dwarf Fortress T-shirt tho |
| 10:53.11 | Xyphoid | i started a new game and there was a sea cave with a lava waterfall down the middle right in front of me |
| 10:53.13 | Xyphoid | so pretty |
| 10:53.41 | Iriel | Xyphoid: like this? http://www.cheeseplant.org/~daniel/images/MC-Ooh.jpg |
| 10:53.51 | Fisker | i'm blowing up the world jnwhiteh |
| 10:54.54 | Fisker | http://i.imgur.com/pLwbw.png |
| 10:55.00 | Jamash | http://www.topatoco.com/graphics/00000001/goat-destroy.png |
| 10:55.44 | Fisker | i would probably stab someone wearing that Jamash |
| 10:55.44 | Jamash | I can't tell what the hell I'm looking at in that screenshot |
| 10:56.00 | Jamash | it looks like the sky is full of lava? |
| 10:56.18 | Fisker | very good perception Jamash |
| 10:56.21 | Iriel | Sadly I only learned the screenshot key binding for MC yesterday, so I dont have a good shot of my other buildings yet. |
| 10:56.30 | Fisker | omg what it is? |
| 10:56.32 | Jamash | how do you fill the sky with lava |
| 10:56.46 | Fisker | spend a lot of time |
| 10:56.53 | Fisker | or use a map editor like me |
| 10:56.57 | Jamash | oh well |
| 10:57.43 | Fisker | minecraft is badly coded |
| 10:57.59 | Fisker | it keeps crashing now that i filled up the whole world with TNT blocks and set them off |
| 10:58.07 | Jamash | imagine that |
| 10:58.18 | Fisker | don't you agree Iriel? |
| 10:58.27 | Iriel | It's got some crash bugs, for sure. |
| 10:58.32 | Iriel | but it's not badly coded. |
| 10:58.49 | Napoleone | wtf is minecraft looks worse than doom 1 |
| 10:59.24 | Jamash | it's really very simple |
| 10:59.35 | Fisker | so filling the world with thousands upon thousands of TNT blocks and then setting them off to cause the game to crash is good code? |
| 10:59.46 | Jamash | there are a lot of things you simply cannot do in most game engines because the engine would be overloaded with detail |
| 10:59.47 | Iriel | My house at night - sadly there are some graphics bugs on the mac: http://www.cheeseplant.org/~daniel/images/MCWeepingWillowNight.jpg |
| 10:59.56 | Fisker | anyway how do i screenshot Iriel ? |
| 11:00.05 | Iriel | Hold F1, press F2 |
| 11:00.14 | Fisker | wat |
| 11:00.19 | Iriel | F1 hides the UI |
| 11:00.22 | Fisker | why did you make your house of 5x5 cubicles btw? |
| 11:00.23 | Iriel | F2 does the screenshot |
| 11:00.25 | Jamash | if you reduce the level of graphical detail by, for example, making the world a grid of blocks, you can have more of other kinds of detail |
| 11:00.45 | Iriel | Fisker: I liked the look of it |
| 11:00.45 | Iriel | it's pretty spacious inside |
| 11:00.49 | Iriel | there's 4 full grown trees up there |
| 11:00.55 | Iriel | (inside) |
| 11:01.20 | Jamash | it reminds me of And He Built a Crooked House |
| 11:01.24 | amro | what did you call it? teldrassil? |
| 11:01.31 | Iriel | plus cultivation areas for wheat, and papyrus |
| 11:01.32 | Fisker | where does it hide them then Iriel ? |
| 11:02.36 | Iriel | C:\Users\%username%\AppData\Roaming\.minecraft\screenshot |
| 11:02.42 | Iriel | or C:\Documents and Settings\%username\Application Data\.minecraft\screenshot |
| 11:02.50 | Iriel | it's annoyingly under a hidden directory |
| 11:03.06 | amro | failing at windows conventions |
| 11:03.18 | zenzelezz | These are not the screenshots you are looking for. |
| 11:03.18 | Iriel | Or, if you're on the mac, the more useful Library/Application Support/minecraft/screenshots/ |
| 11:03.35 | Iriel | amro: it's the weeping willow, due to the waterfalls |
| 11:03.58 | Iriel | the main tower's actually surrounded by water which then cascades down into an underground cavern |
| 11:04.02 | Fisker | %appdata%\.minecraft\screenshot then |
| 11:05.15 | Iriel | Anyway, must sleep |
| 11:05.18 | Iriel | night all |
| 11:05.49 | Iriel | (For what it's worth, the latest OSX patch might have fixed the 'minecraft crashes the ATI drivers and locks the desktop' bug) |
| 11:06.54 | Iriel | I'll also note that the only 'abuse' of the multiplayer op commands I do is to teleport one of my characters to the other, when I get lost or lazy. |
| 11:07.01 | Iriel | No item spawning or map editing here |
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| 14:50.54 | adys_ | Stop being asleep, #wowuidev. |
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| 14:52.06 | nevcairiel | I'm awake, just bored |
| 14:53.08 | olafski | nevcairiel: is there any way I can make bartender's bars fade when I'm not in combat and at full health and not targetting something? I managed to only do the combat and targetting part =( |
| 14:53.21 | nevcairiel | there are no macro conditions based on health |
| 14:53.23 | nevcairiel | so, no |
| 14:53.31 | olafski | :( |
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| 14:54.24 | olafski | I'd also like it if I could make the bars fade out slowly.. guess that's also out of the question =) |
| 14:55.16 | nevcairiel | only thing you can configure is the dealy until the fadeout happens |
| 14:55.34 | nevcairiel | It doesnt animate the fading |
| 14:57.09 | olafski | so I saw.. well enough, this clears up my screen a bit |
| 14:57.14 | olafski | they should implement this in all addons :P |
| 15:04.25 | TC-Away | stop being needy adys_ |
| 15:06.06 | adys_ | it worked |
| 15:06.06 | adys_ | :p |
| 15:06.10 | adys_ | amro, ^ |
| 15:06.51 | Zasurus | What worked? :-O |
| 15:10.48 | nevcairiel | So i am pondering this feature for Bartender, which would allow you to create a macro which defines the unit a button casts on. Like, you could setup a mouseover macro and apply it to the whole bar, or have a bar that always casts on your pet, or whatnot. Does that sound useful? |
| 15:14.52 | partouf | not sure i get it |
| 15:15.52 | partouf | how would you configure that |
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| 15:18.50 | nevcairiel | You would setup a macro that drives that, like, a typical mouseover macro would look like this: "[@mouseover,exists]mouseover" Instead of a spell, you have to repeat the unit token. You then configure which bars, or buttons, or spells applys this macro to. Say you want to use mouseover casting on all buttons on bar1, you tell it to apply the macro to Bar1. All spells on Bar1 then behave like you have a macro in there like "[@mouseover, |
| 15:18.50 | nevcairiel | exists][]<Spell>" |
| 15:19.22 | nevcairiel | (With "setup a macro" i don't mean an actual macro, its in the bartender config) |
| 15:19.39 | Thunder_Child | http://gizmodo.com/5684694/the-birdcage-aquarium-duplex-where-the-fish-live-in-fear-and-the-birds-live-in-frustration |
| 15:19.42 | Thunder_Child | thats harsh |
| 15:19.42 | nevcairiel | Its just using the same parser like the macros |
| 15:19.48 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 15:19.55 | jnwhiteh | anyone used Texture:SetRotation() at all? |
| 15:20.18 | jnwhiteh | there seem to be some artifacts when doing it. |
| 15:20.34 | nevcairiel | i always use texcoords |
| 15:21.28 | jnwhiteh | well this is more efficient |
| 15:21.35 | jnwhiteh | as its done directly |
| 15:21.55 | nevcairiel | apparently badly, too |
| 15:22.15 | jnwhiteh | well just a bug =) |
| 15:22.17 | jnwhiteh | they should fix it |
| 15:22.25 | Mirrormn | I'm not sure SetRotation is actually any better than SetTexCoord |
| 15:22.28 | nevcairiel | They should also fix the f'ing status bars |
| 15:22.35 | nevcairiel | but they dont |
| 15:22.49 | Sliker | anyone else having problems with the quest tracker being full even though it actually isn't? |
| 15:22.49 | jnwhiteh | Mirrormn: Blizzard believes it is, and they implemented it.. so I tend to believe them. |
| 15:23.11 | Mirrormn | I won't argue that they implemented it, but what indicates that they think it's more efficient? |
| 15:23.16 | jnwhiteh | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/3d65009f6f2457d8b326eaf13ccee646.png |
| 15:23.22 | jnwhiteh | Mirrormn: conversations I have had with them. |
| 15:23.27 | jnwhiteh | it's a direct C call |
| 15:23.35 | jnwhiteh | so they can implement efficient rotation |
| 15:23.39 | jnwhiteh | rather than having to use settexcoord |
| 15:23.45 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 15:23.55 | jnwhiteh | maybe having a pixel border would help fix it |
| 15:23.57 | jnwhiteh | attempts |
| 15:24.08 | Mirrormn | it should help |
| 15:24.11 | nevcairiel | internally it'll go back to matrix math as well, which you drive with tex coord as well .. i'm not sure i understand how its more efficient, but if they say so |
| 15:24.20 | jnwhiteh | they do =) |
| 15:24.25 | jnwhiteh | they implemented it specifically for this reason. |
| 15:24.45 | Mirrormn | it might simply be that the trigonometric functions are faster in c than in lua |
| 15:24.55 | jnwhiteh | O.o |
| 15:24.58 | jnwhiteh | that has no relevance |
| 15:25.09 | Mirrormn | why not? |
| 15:25.48 | nevcairiel | Well if you have to calculate the matrix yourself every frame... :) |
| 15:25.48 | jnwhiteh | a.) that's not a cost you're forced to pay.. that's your implementation detail and b.) they are implemented in C, just with the Lua interface =) |
| 15:26.59 | Mirrormn | you mean lua's trigonometric functions are implemented in C but with the lua interface? |
| 15:27.14 | jnwhiteh | correct |
| 15:27.23 | jnwhiteh | as with the entire lua standard library |
| 15:27.27 | Mirrormn | and how is that not a cost you're forced to pay? how could you possibly rotate a texture without trigonometric functions |
| 15:27.37 | jnwhiteh | you can calculate the texcoords once |
| 15:27.42 | jnwhiteh | and then use them |
| 15:27.49 | jnwhiteh | rather than recalculating them on the fly |
| 15:27.53 | jnwhiteh | there's more than one way to write an algorithm =) |
| 15:28.15 | partouf | i reckon its more a question of how many calls do you need for texcoords opposed to using rotate |
| 15:28.23 | Mirrormn | I don't think I understand how you could use SetRotation and SetTexCoord differently in that regard |
| 15:28.27 | jnwhiteh | it was indeed my fault, having pixels on the edge |
| 15:28.39 | jnwhiteh | partouf: you only need one for each |
| 15:28.57 | jnwhiteh | easy enough to test if someone feels compelled to |
| 15:29.07 | jnwhiteh | but SetRotation() works brilliantly, so I'm going to use it. |
| 15:29.17 | Mirrormn | oh, you mean |
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| 15:29.31 | Mirrormn | if you wanted to have a texture at a certain rotation statically |
| 15:29.41 | partouf | i doubt that's true, assuming you need to hand coordinates instead of rotation, meaning you need to either precalculate or do it in code to represent a certain rotation |
| 15:29.49 | Mirrormn | you could calculate the correct coordinates beforehand and then use those values as constants |
| 15:30.03 | Mirrormn | if you did that, I can't conceive of any way that SetRotation could be more efficient |
| 15:30.03 | partouf | but then coords is faster than rotate |
| 15:30.13 | partouf | idd |
| 15:30.26 | Mirrormn | unless SetRotation used an entirely different internal method of manipulating the texture |
| 15:30.31 | Mirrormn | which I'm almost sure it doesn't |
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| 15:33.18 | jnwhiteh | whatevs |
| 15:33.27 | Mirrormn | heh |
| 15:33.29 | jnwhiteh | I'll take their word over yours, no offense :P |
| 15:33.29 | partouf | lol |
| 15:33.48 | Mirrormn | well it's not like I'm saying "oh, it's not more efficient, I JUST KNOW" |
| 15:34.00 | jnwhiteh | I understand that |
| 15:34.00 | Mirrormn | it's my logic vs. their word, not my word vs. their word |
| 15:34.04 | jnwhiteh | and I follow precisely what you're saying |
| 15:34.08 | partouf | it depends on the sitation tbh |
| 15:34.23 | jnwhiteh | but its a complicated engine and a complex integration. |
| 15:34.36 | Mirrormn | but if you know them well enough to trust that they have logic that trumps mine, I can accept that |
| 15:40.34 | jnwhiteh | haha |
| 15:40.35 | jnwhiteh | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/05f44f35f15397fa8ac432e7f55d9933.png |
| 15:40.37 | jnwhiteh | i forgot about that |
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| 15:42.56 | amro | I'd have assumed it was about that mule quest |
| 15:44.27 | jnwhiteh | lol |
| 15:44.32 | jnwhiteh | I forgot about this addon: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/08983d82afd44ed50b6c6c7b7084c810.png |
| 15:44.35 | jnwhiteh | I never released it |
| 15:45.02 | industrial | heh, DPS? |
| 15:45.11 | jnwhiteh | no actually |
| 15:45.13 | jnwhiteh | was an odometer =) |
| 15:45.14 | Zasquar | what does it do? |
| 15:45.17 | jnwhiteh | and speedometer |
| 15:45.19 | Zasquar | lol |
| 15:45.20 | jnwhiteh | called 'Dashboard' |
| 15:45.51 | Zasquar | I use speedy but that looks cool! |
| 15:46.02 | jnwhiteh | I wonder if I even have it anywhere, lol |
| 15:46.05 | jnwhiteh | might be on wowi svn |
| 15:46.42 | industrial | I still have this one http://images.gammatester.com/pics/9dedea72a61d9f909fd9da053285da99.jpg |
| 15:46.45 | industrial | unreleased |
| 15:46.57 | industrial | the line points to the equator so you can fly perfectly horizontal :P |
| 15:47.02 | industrial | was going to put a compass on it |
| 15:47.02 | jnwhiteh | :P |
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| 15:47.57 | Zasurus | Arr again i use speedy for that (angle) but that looks a bit easyer to judge how far out you are. Speedy only has the angle. |
| 15:49.02 | jnwhiteh | Aww.. my priest! |
| 15:49.02 | jnwhiteh | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/1370ba6fdf0b4ac6895cbea25fedea17.png |
| 15:49.46 | industrial | heh |
| 15:49.51 | jnwhiteh | seriously |
| 15:49.52 | jnwhiteh | she's nuts =) |
| 15:50.40 | industrial | Zasurus: where can I find Speedy? |
| 15:51.02 | Zasquar | sec |
| 15:51.32 | Zasquar | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/speedy-gonzales.aspx |
| 15:53.46 | Zasquar | It's nice and simple. Can't live without it! LOL (says the addon junky! ;-)) |
| 15:53.49 | adys_ | Zasquar, speed api? |
| 15:53.56 | adys_ | what speed api? |
| 15:54.31 | Zasquar | I don't know of a speed api mate. |
| 15:54.50 | Zasquar | I use the addon "SpeedyGonzales" to display my speed and angle |
| 15:54.52 | adys_ | that addon says it uses the new speed api |
| 15:55.03 | Zasquar | OH yer it did say that |
| 15:55.07 | foxlit | Was new when the world was young. |
| 15:55.12 | Zasquar | lol |
| 15:55.32 | Zasquar | I think the angle part is new |
| 15:55.48 | Zasquar | or new when he posted that message! ;-) |
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| 16:04.12 | Fisker | hey jnwhiteh |
| 16:04.16 | Fisker | i baked you a gingerbread cookie |
| 16:04.20 | Fisker | but i ated it :( |
| 16:04.38 | Zasquar | hehe I love that cat picture... :P |
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| 16:05.52 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: sadface. |
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| 16:09.25 | Fisker | yeah jnwhiteh |
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| 16:57.03 | Shirik | hahaha |
| 16:57.04 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mobius_Bot&diff=359914090&oldid=359912947 |
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| 16:57.10 | Shirik | The bots have begun attacking each other |
| 16:57.14 | Shirik | Skynet is nearly ready |
| 16:57.53 | Zasquar | LOL |
| 16:59.05 | Sliker | well considering its edits |
| 17:00.45 | Sliker | oh that was ages ago. |
| 17:00.47 | Sliker | nevermind. |
| 17:00.56 | sioraiocht | industrial: you just wasted a good amount of my time |
| 17:04.17 | Fisker | if that is skynet then i made the 2.0 version Shirik |
| 17:04.18 | Shirik | lua> loadstring('print "foo" "bar" "baz"') |
| 17:04.21 | lua_bot | Shirik: function: 0x9991408 |
| 17:04.27 | Shirik | You know what, print should return print |
| 17:04.37 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 17:09.24 | Fisker | jnwhiteh should return my money |
| 17:09.55 | jnwhiteh | k |
| 17:10.00 | jnwhiteh | which one? |
| 17:10.24 | Fisker | idk |
| 17:10.57 | Fisker | but with gingerbread out of the oven we should have our nexus s soon |
| 17:11.09 | Fisker | even though the back looks kinda crappy |
| 17:11.15 | jnwhiteh | truth. |
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| 17:16.07 | Shirik | hrm |
| 17:16.49 | Shirik | "Why isn't my ReplacePronouns() function unit test passing?! The code was right last week!" |
| 17:16.54 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/142830 |
| 17:17.01 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 17:17.09 | Fisker | will you buy me a nexus s this time? |
| 17:17.23 | Shirik | How about I buy you a lexus instead? |
| 17:17.34 | Fisker | fair enough |
| 17:18.11 | industrial | sioraiocht: ^^ |
| 17:22.09 | Fisker | dø dø dø Shirik |
| 17:22.59 | Fisker | agreed? |
| 17:24.31 | amro | Shirik: branch = self.subjects[sessionID]; |
| 17:24.36 | amro | I don't think that does what you expect it to |
| 17:24.44 | Shirik | I already fixed that |
| 17:24.47 | Shirik | but thanks :D |
| 17:25.24 | Shirik | I knew there was a reason for i = 0 |
| 17:28.01 | Fisker | Shirik |
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| 17:29.57 | nevcairiel | Tuller: are waffles better or worse then betas? I can't tell |
| 17:30.27 | Tuller | having errors? :P |
| 17:30.34 | Tuller | in theory waffles is the gamma version |
| 17:30.34 | nevcairiel | some, randomly |
| 17:31.20 | nevcairiel | i think my update script failed though |
| 17:31.21 | nevcairiel | let me check! |
| 17:31.41 | Tuller | I did forget to update the master once :P |
| 17:32.25 | nevcairiel | hm why doesnt this thing work |
| 17:32.34 | nevcairiel | my script to unpack your combined folder failed |
| 17:32.40 | nevcairiel | so i was still using beta2 <.< |
| 17:32.42 | Tuller | what combined folder? :P |
| 17:32.59 | nevcairiel | oh my, you changed the layout again |
| 17:33.01 | nevcairiel | that explains it |
| 17:33.17 | Tuller | yep, https://github.com/Tuller/OmniCC + https://github.com/Tuller/OmniCC_Config |
| 17:33.23 | nevcairiel | meh! |
| 17:33.37 | Tuller | well, you people complained :P |
| 17:34.01 | Dajova | everyone complains xD |
| 17:34.41 | nevcairiel | your other addons are still that way? |
| 17:34.42 | nevcairiel | checks |
| 17:34.51 | Tuller | many are, some aren't |
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| 17:35.05 | nevcairiel | combuctor is, i dont think i use much more |
| 17:36.14 | nevcairiel | well at least i updated to waffles1 now :p |
| 17:36.34 | mikma | http://www.rlslog.net/garden-simulator-2010-v1-0-game-crd/ |
| 17:37.38 | Tuller | clearly you wish to read the wiki as well :P http://code.google.com/p/tullamods/wiki/OmniCC4 |
| 17:37.51 | industrial | mikma: head-to-desk |
| 17:37.56 | Fisker | die Tuller |
| 17:38.10 | Tuller | Fisker: why? :P |
| 17:40.01 | nevcairiel | my finish effect dropdown says "Custom", yet when i open the dropdown, pulse is selected |
| 17:40.02 | nevcairiel | wth! |
| 17:40.16 | Tuller | i blame blizzard there |
| 17:40.26 | nevcairiel | Custom isnt even in the list.. :D |
| 17:40.44 | Tuller | somehow those two dropdowns are linked :P |
| 17:40.45 | Zasquar | I get that on the logon screen |
| 17:41.01 | Tuller | but basically blizzard's dropdown refresh code is broken :P |
| 17:41.04 | Zasquar | sorry character select screen |
| 17:41.11 | Tuller | yep, in the addons menu |
| 17:41.18 | Zasquar | yer |
| 17:41.26 | Zasquar | so I blame bliz 2 ;-) |
| 17:42.14 | Hirsute | Blizzard's DropDown code is borked in general. It's one of the things cause weird addons that don't touch the buff frames to taint CanceUnitBuff() |
| 17:43.41 | nevcairiel | this is just a combobox, not one of those real dropdowns |
| 17:43.52 | Stanzilla | oh and I thought I am the only one that was broken tabs in config menus |
| 17:43.56 | jnwhiteh | feel free to rewrite the dropdown code |
| 17:43.57 | Stanzilla | *has |
| 17:44.01 | jnwhiteh | into a secure template |
| 17:44.11 | jnwhiteh | I'd be happy to look at it and try to get it into the default UI |
| 17:44.17 | mikma | yes |
| 17:44.20 | nevcairiel | maybe we really should =p |
| 17:44.21 | mikma | use your ultimate powers |
| 17:44.34 | jnwhiteh | I'm not kidding |
| 17:44.36 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 17:44.44 | Tuller | i know :P |
| 17:44.44 | mikma | "i know people!" |
| 17:44.55 | jnwhiteh | mikma: not really, no |
| 17:44.58 | jnwhiteh | I'm just persistent |
| 17:44.59 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 17:45.03 | Zasquar | lol |
| 17:45.05 | mikma | nowai! |
| 17:46.02 | nevcairiel | I don't see blizzard using that in their own code, so unless they block addons from using it, we will still have the issues until every addon was moved to secure dropdowns. But at least we could write secure dropdowns, eh :p |
| 17:46.16 | jnwhiteh | they would use it for unit popups |
| 17:46.19 | jnwhiteh | and that's about all that matters |
| 17:46.35 | nevcairiel | They dont use their secure code for unit frames, what makes you think they would? |
| 17:46.52 | Tuller | or action buttons, for that manner :P |
| 17:46.55 | jnwhiteh | they don't NEED to use it for unit frames |
| 17:46.56 | jnwhiteh | or action buttons |
| 17:47.00 | jnwhiteh | you guys do just fine replacing those |
| 17:47.06 | jnwhiteh | they use the secure templates when they need to |
| 17:47.07 | nevcairiel | They dont need to use it for unit dropdowns |
| 17:47.12 | nevcairiel | it works just fine until an addon breaks it |
| 17:47.14 | jnwhiteh | look at the UIPanelTemplate and quit whining =) |
| 17:47.24 | jnwhiteh | they know how to code around taint and use their own templates when necessary |
| 17:48.02 | Tuller | well, createFrame doesn't necessarily work in secure code, does it? :P |
| 17:48.08 | jnwhiteh | it doesn't at all |
| 17:48.12 | jnwhiteh | why is that relevant? |
| 17:48.24 | Tuller | random thoughts on how to do it |
| 17:48.36 | jnwhiteh | its their code |
| 17:48.39 | nevcairiel | Why wouldnt CreateFrame work? |
| 17:48.41 | jnwhiteh | they can call createframe whenever they want |
| 17:48.49 | jnwhiteh | doesn't matter when it is |
| 17:48.52 | jnwhiteh | that's precisely the point |
| 17:49.02 | Shirik | hey amro |
| 17:49.11 | amro | hey shirik |
| 17:49.17 | Shirik | got some slick way to do "replace or append" like someList[i] = x; |
| 17:49.20 | Shirik | but i might be out of range |
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| 17:49.31 | Shirik | Python must have some slick way to do it it has everything else |
| 17:49.56 | amro | what's i though? |
| 17:50.13 | Shirik | some variable |
| 17:50.21 | amro | oh. |
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| 17:51.00 | amro | replace or append isn't common for lists |
| 17:51.11 | Shirik | but I need it :( |
| 17:51.15 | amro | guess you'll have to do if i > len(someList): i = len(someList) |
| 17:51.22 | foxlit | lists are a pythomination. |
| 17:51.22 | Shirik | honestly it's not a list |
| 17:51.25 | Shirik | it's a fake-list |
| 17:51.40 | Shirik | it wants to be called a tree but it's not a tree either |
| 17:52.06 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: "Custom" is a default that happens with dropdowns under certain conditions |
| 17:52.12 | jnwhiteh | you can get around it by setting the text directly |
| 17:52.20 | jnwhiteh | UIDropDownMenu_SetText(dropdown, text) |
| 17:53.03 | jnwhiteh | but I believe if you use SetSelectedID() and GetSelectedID() it works on all counts. |
| 17:53.32 | Tuller | yep |
| 17:53.42 | jnwhiteh | its Value/Name that gets wonky |
| 17:53.46 | jnwhiteh | cause the code doesn't expect you to use them |
| 17:53.56 | jnwhiteh | Whats the issue that happens with CancelUnitBuff? |
| 17:53.59 | jnwhiteh | I've not run into that before. |
| 17:54.26 | amro | Shirik: it just seems like a weird situation to me |
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| 17:54.40 | nevcairiel | Shirik: use a dictionary =p |
| 17:54.53 | amro | I think the object is part of some API |
| 17:55.22 | Shirik | ^ |
| 17:55.29 | Shirik | it actually makes sense |
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| 17:55.39 | Shirik | It's a parse tree object |
| 17:55.49 | Shirik | it is just extremely similar to a list and acts like a list in almost every way |
| 17:55.53 | Shirik | except for not being a list |
| 17:55.54 | nevcairiel | then you'll end up doing the if |
| 17:56.02 | Shirik | yeah that's what I did |
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| 17:58.56 | adys_ | Shirik, write a custom list subclass |
| 17:59.14 | adys_ | and replace __setitem__ / __getitem__ |
| 17:59.17 | Lulia | Hmm, Tuller. |
| 17:59.42 | Tuller | yes? |
| 18:00.52 | adys_ | Shirik, something like def __setitem__(self, idx, value): if len(self) < idx: (fill the list); list.__setitem__(self, idx, value) |
| 18:00.54 | amro | adys_: likely not worth it for that one line |
| 18:01.03 | Lulia | My AddOn has an option to replace its Rune CD timers with OmniCC timers if the user has OmniCC. However, it also has an option to turn off the Cooldown frame, but if they have the Cooldown frame turned off, then OmniCC doesn't work with it. Trying to figure out if there's a way for your AddOn to detect the cooldown with the Cooldown frame hidden. |
| 18:01.04 | adys_ | well he says it's not exactly a list |
| 18:01.07 | amro | and it would hide errors elsewhere |
| 18:01.11 | adys_ | so im guessing he already is using a subclass |
| 18:01.21 | amro | it's a custom class |
| 18:01.23 | amro | from an API |
| 18:01.27 | adys_ | ah |
| 18:01.46 | Tuller | Lulia: omnicc works by hooking the CooldownModel:SetCooldown method, which is where it pulls its duration info from |
| 18:01.48 | adys_ | well those two lines are easy enough to port to a helper anyway |
| 18:02.22 | Tuller | Lulia: what I do in omnicc for hiding cooldown models is to set the opacity of the model to 0 :P |
| 18:02.35 | Lulia | Hmm, I suppose I could do that. |
| 18:02.44 | Lulia | Thanks, Tuller |
| 18:03.03 | Tuller | well, omnicc will override that setting with its own setting :) |
| 18:03.53 | Lulia | Well, if my setting is clicked first it will just hide the model and OmniCC doesn't kick in. So I think it's probably best to mimic that functionality even if OmniCC overrides it in the end |
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| 18:05.24 | Fisker | omg Tuller |
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| 18:18.57 | adys_ | "This varies depending upon the conectic inergy" |
| 18:19.02 | adys_ | Waow. |
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| 18:27.39 | Lulia | Oh, hmm, now I see what you mean about it taking over the Cooldown opacity, Tuller. I suppose I can put a line in the tooltip telling them they'll need to turn off the cooldown frame in OmniCC for it to work when using OmniCC timers |
| 18:28.07 | Thunder_Child | learn the first lesson. PEOPLE ARE STUPID. |
| 18:28.21 | Lulia | ? |
| 18:28.29 | Thunder_Child | dont expect them to do anything intelligently |
| 18:28.48 | Thunder_Child | expect them to moan bitch and cry when they have to go out of their way to do anything |
| 18:29.05 | Lulia | Well, this is something I can't really control. |
| 18:29.13 | Tuller | trying to think of a good way around it |
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| 18:31.35 | Lulia | Just added names to the cooldown frames, so they can be grouped in OmniCC at least |
| 18:32.14 | Jamash | does OmniCC have an exclusion list? |
| 18:32.42 | Lulia | Yeah, why? |
| 18:32.43 | nevcairiel | you can set it up to not show stuff in certain frames |
| 18:32.57 | Jamash | so can't you add your own frame yourself? |
| 18:33.06 | nevcairiel | He doesnt want it off completly |
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| 18:33.24 | Lulia | There's a way for AddOn authors to turn them off too, which I've done. |
| 18:33.35 | Lulia | I've added an option in my AddOn to use OmniCC timers though, if the user wants. |
| 18:34.20 | Lulia | The issue is that I also have an option to turn off the cooldown timer frame, or, at least, set its opacity to 0 so that you don't see it, but OmniCC will set it's opacity back to full unless it's toggled off in OmniCC too. This doesn't bother me a whole lot though |
| 18:34.38 | Shirik | best use of a DNS server ever: |
| 18:34.40 | Lulia | I just added names to the cooldown frames, so a user should be able to put them in a group in OmniCC |
| 18:34.46 | Shirik | ~dns ambassador.shiibot.com |
| 18:34.49 | Lulia | And turn off the cooldown frames in OmniCC |
| 18:35.31 | nevcairiel | you use your public dns to have a local address resolve its name? <.< |
| 18:35.50 | Shirik | yes! |
| 18:35.51 | nevcairiel | you should be banned from the internets |
| 18:35.53 | Shirik | lol |
| 18:36.12 | Jamash | true story |
| 18:36.37 | Jamash | shouldn't you be using a hosts file or something? |
| 18:36.43 | Lulia | Or, hmm, the guide says there's supposed to be a grouping feature in OmniCC but I don't see it |
| 18:36.47 | Lulia | Maybe this is an older version |
| 18:38.29 | Lulia | Hmm, the guide is for OmniCC 4 and I have 3.1.4 |
| 18:38.33 | Lulia | Guess I dont have 4 ;) |
| 18:40.14 | Lulia | Current version... 4.0.waffles1 |
| 18:41.05 | Lulia | There's some joke in there that I'm not getting |
| 18:41.29 | nevcairiel | its all about waffles man |
| 18:42.17 | Lulia | :P |
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| 18:42.45 | Lulia | Anyone know why tabs are bugging out in their display? |
| 18:43.06 | Lulia | When not selected the text is positioned too close to the top, intersecting the border |
| 18:43.28 | nevcairiel | i dunno |
| 18:43.29 | nevcairiel | saw that too |
| 18:43.33 | nevcairiel | started just recently |
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| 18:45.28 | Lulia | sighs at Verizon. |
| 18:45.52 | Fisker | yes |
| 18:45.53 | Fisker | yeeeeees |
| 18:46.19 | Lulia | Yeah, Nev, started in 4.0.1 for me |
| 18:46.42 | Lulia | In their interface module, with the AddOns tab or their interface stuff. |
| 18:46.51 | Lulia | But OmniCC has the issue too, with its tabs |
| 18:48.37 | Nobgul | Lulia, I think they all do |
| 18:48.42 | Lulia | Right |
| 18:48.45 | Lulia | Hence what I said earlier |
| 18:48.47 | Lulia | :P |
| 18:48.54 | Nobgul | Ah i cleared the screen. |
| 18:49.11 | Nobgul | Read real quick then a /clear |
| 18:49.40 | NeoTron | is there any addon like BulkMail2 that allows configurable auto-sending of certain items to certain characters? |
| 18:49.59 | NeoTron | I want to replace BulkMail2 but that functionality is essential |
| 18:50.38 | Seerah | there was another one, but it was abandoned for a different rewrite by its author which never happened |
| 18:51.14 | NeoTron | maybe an untapped market then |
| 18:51.29 | Seerah | people do want one |
| 18:51.31 | Seerah | that works |
| 18:51.34 | Lulia | Hey, Tuller, when I turn off the cooldown model for the Runes group in OmniCC 4 waffles, it stops showing the Cooldown text too. Mind you, this is turning it off in OmniCC not in mine. |
| 18:52.03 | NeoTron | indeed. BulkMail2 works but it's not exactly up to speed with, say, libraries |
| 18:53.02 | Lulia | Actually, this is rather odd, but... it shows them is the cooldown starts when the rune goes on cd, but if the rune's cd hasn't started yet (because another rune of the same type is on cd already) then the number never shows, not even when the cd actually begins. |
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| 18:54.39 | Tuller | the obvious question: how long are rune cooldowns |
| 18:54.41 | Lulia | if* |
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| 18:55.11 | Lulia | Well, the runes are on CD for 10 seconds, but they don't start their CDs until the other rune of the same type has finished its CD. |
| 18:55.42 | Lulia | So if Frost Rune 1 has 7 seconds left on its CD and Frost Rune 2 goes on CD then Frost Rune's CD is sitll reported as 10 seconds, but it's effectively 17 seconds |
| 18:56.10 | Lulia | 3.1.4 seemed to account for this |
| 18:56.16 | Lulia | And the timers for my AddOn do too |
| 18:57.00 | Lulia | But OmniCC 4 waffles doesn't |
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| 19:00.22 | Nobgul | Does haste effect the rune cd? |
| 19:00.26 | Lulia | It does |
| 19:00.40 | Lulia | But the duration reported by the cooldown function is properly modified by the haste |
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| 19:00.57 | Lulia | So that just changes whether or not the base modifier is 10 seconds or faster |
| 19:01.12 | Lulia | Haste can make it a floating point number though |
| 19:01.16 | Nobgul | Eh |
| 19:01.24 | Lulia | So I had to put math.floor() into the math in case of haste |
| 19:01.25 | Lulia | to round it |
| 19:02.05 | Lulia | Hmm |
| 19:02.28 | NeoTron | hmm. BulkMail2 is actually written pretty well, from a pure lua standpoint |
| 19:02.29 | Lulia | I might be able to fudge it by setting the cooldown to the duration + any modifiers such as another rune being on CD |
| 19:02.44 | Nobgul | Lulia, I live you eclipse bar. I think im gonna switch to that one. |
| 19:02.48 | Lulia | Currently I just set my own timers to the proper value |
| 19:02.57 | Lulia | Thanks, Nobgul |
| 19:03.05 | Nobgul | love* but you got it +P |
| 19:03.12 | Lulia | I plan on adding the foresee energy that balance power tracker uses too |
| 19:03.16 | Lulia | In this coming version |
| 19:03.37 | Tuller | Lulia: does tullaCC display the correct value? |
| 19:03.40 | Nobgul | thats what i am using now the power balance tracker |
| 19:03.56 | Lulia | tullaCC? |
| 19:04.01 | Lulia | Don' know, let me grab it |
| 19:04.15 | Nobgul | ncCooldown does |
| 19:04.23 | Tuller | Lulia: you can also try commenting out if start > GetTime() then in timer.lua in OmniCC |
| 19:04.25 | Nobgul | i think 0_o |
| 19:05.02 | Tuller | (line 373ish) |
| 19:05.34 | Lulia | Well, I mean, I should be able to report to you the "effective" cooldown length I think, by changing how I use the cooldown function. But I don't want to do that if you plan on modifying how you handle rune cds |
| 19:05.37 | Tuller | assuming a crazy theory that blizzard now does cooldowns IN THE FUTURE |
| 19:06.38 | Lulia | The rune CD model is sort of wonky with the changes in 4.0.1 :) |
| 19:07.35 | Lulia | Would be nice if Blizzard simply did the math in their reported time of the cd, but they are, effectively, saying: this is what the cooldown will be when it starts, IN THE FUTURE |
| 19:07.37 | Lulia | which is odd |
| 19:08.33 | Lulia | Hmm |
| 19:08.39 | foxlit | It's convenient, though |
| 19:08.44 | Lulia | I only have it configured to check for OmniCC |
| 19:08.49 | Lulia | I'll have to add TullaCC |
| 19:08.58 | Tuller | tullaCC defines OmniCC |
| 19:09.03 | Lulia | Does TullaCC not have a configurable options set? |
| 19:09.04 | Tuller | if you're checking for the global OmniCC |
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| 19:09.24 | Tuller | its more or less omniCC - options, but it respects noCooldownCount |
| 19:09.31 | Lulia | Part of my AddOn loading whether or not the checkbox to enable OmniCC timers is whether or not OmniCC has loaded |
| 19:09.48 | Lulia | So I just have to check to see if OmniCC or TullaCC has loaded instead |
| 19:10.07 | Tuller | i wonder if CooldownCount still respects the noCooldownCount flag |
| 19:10.59 | Tuller | yep! |
| 19:12.11 | Lulia | :P |
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| 19:15.03 | Lulia | TullaCC is named TullaCC as far as its reported by WoW, yes? |
| 19:15.20 | Tuller | tullaCooldownCount |
| 19:15.23 | Lulia | Oh |
| 19:15.37 | Tuller | folder name is tullaCC |
| 19:17.03 | Lulia | hmm |
| 19:17.05 | mitchnull | is it a replacement for OmniCC? |
| 19:17.25 | Tuller | its dependent on what you do to omnicc |
| 19:17.35 | mitchnull | put CC on stuff |
| 19:17.39 | mitchnull | :) |
| 19:17.44 | Lulia | Well, my code enables the checkbox for OmniCC but not TullaCooldownCount, I'll see if I'm checking for OmniCC somewhere where I'm not checking for TullaCooldownCount |
| 19:18.23 | mitchnull | tuller: wasn't OmniCC yours as well? |
| 19:18.30 | Tuller | it is |
| 19:18.52 | Tuller | yep, blizzard is scheduling cooldowns in the future |
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| 19:19.14 | Lulia | God damn internet |
| 19:19.15 | Lulia | ugh |
| 19:19.19 | mitchnull | so, is it phased out? or TullaCC does something else? |
| 19:19.41 | Tuller | they do the same thing, one has config, the other does not |
| 19:19.44 | Lulia | TullaCC, according to Tuller, is just OmniCC without options |
| 19:19.50 | Lulia | So just a smaller AddOn |
| 19:20.36 | mitchnull | ah |
| 19:20.54 | mitchnull | well, I don't think I ever touched OmniCC's options |
| 19:21.32 | Lulia | Then maybe you want TullaCC! |
| 19:21.52 | Lulia | Hmm, there we go, got it to work |
| 19:22.04 | Lulia | I was using addon == "TullaCC" as opposed to addon == "tullaCC" |
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| 19:23.27 | Lulia | Tuller, tullaCC seems to properly account for the increased delay in the CD |
| 19:24.58 | mitchnull | how can the black-and-white stuff when you're a ghost be turned off? |
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| 19:25.11 | Lulia | black-and-white stuff? |
| 19:25.17 | Tuller | its a graphical option |
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| 19:25.27 | Lulia | You mean the death glow? |
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| 19:25.29 | mitchnull | it used to be, but I can't find it any more |
| 19:25.36 | mitchnull | lulia: yeah |
| 19:25.41 | Nobgul | I wasn't aware you could turn off the ghost world effect. |
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| 19:26.09 | foxlit | full screen glow |
| 19:26.13 | Lulia | Used to be a checkbox in graphical options |
| 19:26.15 | foxlit | Does most of the swirly things |
| 19:26.19 | Lulia | Not sure what it became in the new version |
| 19:26.35 | Nobgul | Wait when you are dead and in ghost form. the world is black and white. |
| 19:27.00 | Amarande | Nobgul: and annoyingly so |
| 19:27.09 | Amarande | I still remember when I was trying to find the portals for ICC5 after the first time I died there |
| 19:27.17 | Amarande | and I'm like OMG I CAN'T SEE ANYTHING IT'S ALL WHITE |
| 19:27.39 | Nobgul | Amarande, I agree. But I was under the impression you couldn't turn the world back into "Color" |
| 19:27.40 | Lulia | Tuller. I could change Cooldown:SetCooldown(start, dur); to report the effective duration and that would presumably fix it for OmniCC |
| 19:27.54 | Amarande | Nobgul: sure you can. you do that on the two thirds or so of ICC wipes where you pop up alive. |
| 19:28.00 | Lulia | lol |
| 19:28.03 | Lulia | Yeah... |
| 19:28.05 | Nobgul | Hehe |
| 19:28.16 | Lulia | So glad I'm not on a PvP server |
| 19:28.30 | Amarande | heh, it often results in second deaths even on the PvE server |
| 19:28.32 | Nobgul | Ok anyway, so to answer the question |
| 19:28.33 | Nobgul | hehe |
| 19:28.38 | Amarande | people run forward instinctively and fall off the cliff :P |
| 19:28.48 | Nobgul | ffxDeath |
| 19:28.53 | Hirsute | Thunder_Child: True dat |
| 19:28.56 | Nobgul | Is the graphic option and it is protected |
| 19:29.19 | Nobgul | Atleast i think it is |
| 19:29.45 | Tuller | Lulia: i have it fixed in my version |
| 19:30.04 | Lulia | Of OmniCC? |
| 19:30.08 | Tuller | yep |
| 19:30.08 | Lulia | 4 waffles |
| 19:30.10 | Lulia | Alright |
| 19:30.11 | Amarande | so, is there any particular reason in cata to focus on being in Org/SW, or will we actually find it more peaceful and faster performing and such to stick to TB or UC? |
| 19:30.14 | Lulia | I won't make the change then |
| 19:30.29 | Lulia | Thanks :) |
| 19:30.39 | Nobgul | Amarande, I haven't seen a reason over 1 city or the other. |
| 19:30.39 | Tuller | its better for me to make the change so that it works properly on things like the stock rune thingy |
| 19:30.42 | mitchnull | SET ffxdeath "0" |
| 19:30.45 | mitchnull | ^^ TADA |
| 19:30.56 | Lulia | Right, I just didn't know whether or not you'd be stubborn about it ;) |
| 19:30.58 | Nobgul | console ffxdeath 0 |
| 19:31.01 | Nobgul | in agme |
| 19:31.04 | Nobgul | game* |
| 19:31.06 | Lulia | You seem like a cool guy though |
| 19:31.25 | Nobgul | its a cvar so it can be called from a addon if needed. Might be a good addition to my NoGhost addon |
| 19:31.51 | Amarande | gah, what's that one click buyout addon called |
| 19:31.51 | Nobgul | mitchnull: there is also |
| 19:31.53 | Nobgul | ffxNetherWorld |
| 19:32.04 | Nobgul | Which is also part of it |
| 19:32.48 | Amarande | Nobgul: for a moment I thought you were talking about FFX. :) |
| 19:32.51 | mitchnull | what does that do? |
| 19:32.54 | jnwhiteh | I am literally terrible at Starcraft |
| 19:32.55 | Amarande | Except that one would be called ffxFarplane then ;) |
| 19:33.06 | Lulia | Well, now that that issue is solved, I think it's back to my NaNoWriMo for me :D |
| 19:33.28 | Nobgul | mitchnull: Aparently it is the same "view" if you use invisabilty potion. Which seems to be very close to the dead world minus the drunk effect =P |
| 19:33.45 | Lulia | I might start looking at adding foresee energy tonight >.>, it feels like it's going to be a challenge, but lots of things felt like they'd test my abilities and went down eventually. |
| 19:34.05 | Nobgul | hehe /console ffx 0 |
| 19:34.14 | Nobgul | =X all done in 1 tight neat bundle =P |
| 19:34.33 | Amarande | hmm, I wonder if the cauldron of greater frost protection is any use at all against sindy. |
| 19:34.43 | Thunder_Child | ~weather klax |
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| 19:34.52 | Amarande | ~weather kdxr |
| 19:35.14 | Tuller | ~weather dca |
| 19:35.20 | Tuller | fail! |
| 19:35.20 | Nobgul | Amarande: Not at all |
| 19:35.23 | Amarande | Tullar: "kdca" |
| 19:35.30 | Thunder_Child | i hate you heat, i hate you |
| 19:35.37 | Tuller | ~weather kdca |
| 19:35.46 | Nobgul | !weather ewr |
| 19:35.50 | mitchnull | where does the glow effect kick in? (ffxglow) I don't remember seeing it in game |
| 19:35.52 | Nobgul | ~weather ewr |
| 19:36.05 | Nobgul | well fail |
| 19:36.28 | Nobgul | fullscreen glow |
| 19:36.35 | Nobgul | Its like the bloom effect just not on crack |
| 19:36.54 | industrial | How do I get rid of my combat log frame? I don't want it and never have in 5 years. |
| 19:37.06 | industrial | its literally only spam.. who cares :\ |
| 19:37.14 | Nobgul | industrial: whats the frame name? |
| 19:37.33 | industrial | ChatFrame2 |
| 19:37.48 | Nobgul | Umm if you make a new frame does it stay the same? |
| 19:37.58 | Amarande | ooh. two procs in a row and a discovery on my first two elixirs after getting elixir master |
| 19:38.09 | Nobgul | ChatFrame2:HookScript("OnShow", function(self) self:Hide() end) |
| 19:38.16 | Tuller | i need to figure out what to spec my alchemist still |
| 19:38.18 | Nobgul | I am not responsable if it breaks your chat lol |
| 19:38.25 | Nobgul | Or anything else for that matter |
| 19:38.25 | industrial | Nobgul: I guess |
| 19:38.45 | Nobgul | you can throw that in any addon and it will just kill it. Or any frame for that matter |
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| 19:44.34 | Iriel | You probably want to add an explicit ChatFrame2:Hide() as well, in case it's visible at the time |
| 19:45.21 | Lulia | So far as I know, there's no way to grab a queued spell with the WoW API, correct? I'll just need to see whether or not a spellcast request has been made? |
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| 19:47.29 | industrial | Iriel: yeah, I did :) |
| 19:48.31 | Lulia | Hmm, never thought about using a hookscript for OnShow to hide something. Probably should have done that for the hiding Blizzard Compact Raid Frames addon |
| 19:50.25 | nevcairiel | its the taint-safe way, otherwise you would just no-op out :Show |
| 19:50.40 | Lulia | It's clever, and I'll probably change it to work that way |
| 19:50.40 | foxlit | :SetParent is how you hide stuff |
| 19:50.59 | Lulia | foxlit: huh? |
| 19:51.01 | nevcairiel | with most frames, clearallpoints works too |
| 19:51.18 | foxlit | but someone might anchor them someplace silly. Reparenting almost never happens :) |
| 19:52.10 | foxlit | Lulia: the simple, resilient way to hide a frame is to do local f = CreateFrame("Frame"); f:Hide(); frameYouWantHidden:SetParent(f); |
| 19:52.47 | foxlit | You could mess with secure hooks to OnShow, but meh. |
| 19:52.53 | industrial | f.Show=function(...) end f:Hide() works :p |
| 19:53.02 | foxlit | industrial: taints Show. |
| 19:53.07 | industrial | i know |
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| 19:53.28 | Lulia | Sorry, disconnected |
| 19:53.36 | Lulia | You mean a Blizzard frame, foxlit? |
| 19:53.43 | foxlit | Yes. |
| 19:53.54 | Lulia | Yeah, I can do that. |
| 19:53.58 | Lulia | I already have it working |
| 19:54.07 | Lulia | But I look for events that would cause the frame to show and then hide it |
| 19:54.21 | Lulia | Using onshow will cover all possibilities, and I can set it to a hidden parent to avoid taint |
| 19:54.23 | nevcairiel | rather block the showing :) |
| 19:55.20 | nevcairiel | another fun way is a state driver that hides the frame |
| 19:55.55 | Lulia | ? |
| 19:56.37 | nevcairiel | RegisterStateDriver(frame, "visibility", "hide") |
| 19:56.41 | foxlit | The advantage of messing with parents is that if you know that nobody else messes with parents, you never have to do anything beyond your initial trickery. |
| 19:56.41 | nevcairiel | i think that works |
| 19:56.56 | foxlit | nevcairiel: my intuition says it works once. |
| 19:57.02 | foxlit | And is then never re-evaluated. |
| 19:57.13 | nevcairiel | actually it does |
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| 19:57.26 | foxlit | But visibility is a special case, maybe I'm not remembering how that code looks like. |
| 19:57.27 | nevcairiel | all state drivers run an onupdate |
| 19:57.32 | Iriel | Right, the state drivers only fire when the STATE changes. |
| 19:57.43 | Iriel | Otherwise it's be a huge performance suck |
| 19:57.54 | nevcairiel | the visibility driver is broken though |
| 19:59.12 | nevcairiel | for some reason it shows/hides the frame every on update |
| 19:59.23 | nevcairiel | without checking if the frame is shown |
| 19:59.30 | nevcairiel | well, not every onupdate |
| 19:59.32 | Lulia | When I finish Power Bars, I'll be working on an AddOn which does a lot to modify Blizzard frame stuff, so that will be an interesting learning experience. |
| 19:59.38 | nevcairiel | every STATE_DRIVER_UPDATE_THROTTLE seconds |
| 20:00.15 | industrial | trying to get a pug in trade saddens me :( |
| 20:00.40 | Amarande | industrial: that's because trade saddens sane people |
| 20:00.56 | Amarande | another reason I'm glad I'm not a raid leader |
| 20:01.00 | industrial | back to the HC queue! |
| 20:01.02 | Amarande | raid leaders are practically forced to keep trade turned on at all times |
| 20:01.27 | industrial | I have it in a separate tab, it can spam all it wants if I can't see it :D |
| 20:02.04 | nevcairiel | its actually far more efficient not to use the visibility driver, rather use your own with a handler to show/hide frames. That way its not calling it every 0.3 seconds or something |
| 20:02.07 | industrial | I should make something to temporarily block people or phrases in chat ... like 'icc' if I dont want to go there |
| 20:02.29 | Lulia | I think the hook script is my best bet, Nev |
| 20:02.42 | Computerpunk | nevcairiel, that var seems nil. |
| 20:02.44 | Computerpunk | contact, w/ |
| 20:03.48 | Computerpunk | constant* |
| 20:04.44 | nevcairiel | probably local to the file |
| 20:05.52 | olafski | why would a raid leader need to keep trade turned on? :s |
| 20:06.40 | Lulia | lol, I love how 29 years old is like beign ancient in the Korean SC2 circuit |
| 20:06.48 | Lulia | being* |
| 20:07.46 | Hirsute | Oh, hey, I just figured out why I've been having issues with local variables in Lua. I figured out how to work around the problems I was having early on, figuring I was just doing something wrong, and haven't thought about it since. As it turns out, I was doing something wrong, and that's because I was making an incorrect assumption about scoping in Lua. |
| 20:07.46 | Hirsute | Yay for learning: Lua has no nested scoping. |
| 20:08.27 | Iriel | What do you mean 'no nested scoping' ? |
| 20:08.31 | Iriel | it's got lexical scoping |
| 20:08.33 | Computerpunk | http://i.imgur.com/UEqXs.jpg |
| 20:08.34 | Iriel | but it's nested |
| 20:08.51 | foxlit | Computerpunk: I pity that dvd drive |
| 20:08.55 | Lulia | I'm confused about the no nested scoping too |
| 20:09.10 | nevcairiel | wth do you guys mean by "nested scoping" o.O |
| 20:09.26 | Iriel | To me, nested scoping means that scope respects nested blocks |
| 20:09.41 | nevcairiel | well, it does in Lua, doesnt it |
| 20:09.44 | Iriel | Yes |
| 20:09.48 | Iriel | thus my surprise at his comment |
| 20:11.40 | Dagmar | foxlit: Assuming it's been designed to be side-mounted it should be fine |
| 20:11.57 | Dagmar | foxlit: I'd worry more about anyone with a pacemaker going in that room tho |
| 20:12.49 | olafski | foxlit: I pity the person who has to operate it.. :) |
| 20:14.10 | Dagmar | Rice, rice, baby. |
| 20:14.23 | Amarande | olafski: raid leaders need trade in case they need to pick up a last member |
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| 20:15.12 | Amarande | I mean, we're a 10/12 hardmodes guild on ICC10 and we still have to grab a PUG member fairly regularly |
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| 20:15.55 | nevcairiel | back in the day we would've rather re-scheduled then pickjup a pug |
| 20:19.41 | Computerpunk | ROFL. |
| 20:19.51 | Computerpunk | Amg! |
| 20:19.54 | Fisker | hey Computerpunk |
| 20:19.55 | Fisker | die |
| 20:19.57 | Fisker | die die die |
| 20:20.10 | Computerpunk | Fisker, why rage at me? :< |
| 20:20.21 | Dagmar | ...all that shiny and what do we see on the flood behind the desk? A freaking power strip. Gods forbid we spend $35 on even a proper surge protector when there's RFI-inducing neon tubes to be powered up. |
| 20:20.25 | Computerpunk | We just decimated a 15 Trollbane premade who was going for Resilient Victory. |
| 20:20.26 | Fisker | i wouldn't know? |
| 20:20.42 | Computerpunk | Were you talking about my link? Lol. |
| 20:20.49 | Fisker | what link+ |
| 20:20.50 | Fisker | ? |
| 20:21.09 | Computerpunk | http://i.imgur.com/UEqXs.jpg |
| 20:21.29 | Fisker | why would you do that Computerpunk ? |
| 20:21.43 | Dagmar | even APC's cheapest UPS is worth it's weight in filesystems you don't have to unscramble after a power glitch |
| 20:22.39 | Fisker | unscramble what? |
| 20:23.01 | nevcairiel | that PCI-E extender is the only thing that would really be required to build something like that, where do you get something like that? :p |
| 20:24.27 | Fisker | (Funny enough we had a power surge or whatever that didn't just fuck an apc ups but also fried the harddrives hoho) |
| 20:24.41 | Fisker | lot of good that did us |
| 20:24.59 | Dagmar | Dunno how you managed that |
| 20:25.10 | Dagmar | I've had lightning strike twice now close enough to actually fuck up wiring in the walls |
| 20:26.11 | Dagmar | Maybe try plugging *all* the equipment in through surge protection, including the cablemodem/DSL/whatever |
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| 20:28.35 | olafski | amarande: so.. does that say something about your guild? :s |
| 20:28.46 | olafski | most guilds I know wouldn't even consider taking someone from trade |
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| 20:33.47 | Amarande | olafski: we only do it when we have to |
| 20:34.15 | Amarande | and we HAVE gotten 10/12 hardmodes (though so far not PP and Princes heroic in the *same* week) and 5 times KS |
| 20:34.30 | Amarande | not bad seeing as in August we didn't even have a full raid core yet |
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| 20:36.40 | olafski | sure.. I'm just saying most guilds I know don't pug :P |
| 20:38.33 | Amarande | olafski: which realm and faction are you? |
| 20:38.50 | Amarande | PUG members are fairly commonly sought on Turalyon US Horde |
| 20:42.18 | olafski | I'm sure they are.. but by guilds or by other pugs? :s |
| 20:42.25 | olafski | dragonblight, ally, EU |
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| 20:57.57 | adys_ | Computerpunk, huge ATI fail |
| 20:58.03 | A-KO | anyone here use OSX? :P |
| 20:58.22 | adys_ | A-KO, what do you need? |
| 20:58.45 | A-KO | BBEdit can integrate with svn, but it wants svn to be downloaded, and then added to environment.plist |
| 20:58.54 | A-KO | it's the adding it to environment.plist that I nor my friend have any idea how to do.. |
| 20:59.07 | Iriel | I use OSX but I have no idea how to do that, sorry |
| 21:01.04 | Thunder_Child | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:05.49 | adys_ | http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2010/11/night-sky/ Cairenn|afk |
| 21:06.37 | Cairenn|afk | wow, funky pic |
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| 21:07.26 | adys_ | vimeo direct link: http://vimeo.com/16369165 |
| 21:13.41 | Cairenn|afk | that video is FUNKY |
| 21:13.45 | Cairenn|afk | likes |
| 21:17.56 | Cairenn|afk | okay, this guy's stuff is just .... [pick a complimentary word] |
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| 21:18.20 | zenzelezz | http://clientsfromhell.net/post/1563732429/i-was-working-late-at-night-to-get-a-website-i |
| 21:18.57 | olafski | lol |
| 21:19.08 | Cairenn|afk | good on him! |
| 21:19.26 | nevcairiel | Don't mess with the IT guy, we'll ruin your world |
| 21:20.58 | Thunder_Child | we will? |
| 21:21.11 | zenzelezz | a colleague of mine told a story about a former colleague of him. The other guy was in charge of a lot of things in the other company, and one of their clients was being difficult about paying what they owed. He phoned the client and told him to go to their website. "Do you see it?" "Yes." Then he disconnected the TP cable to the client's server. "Reload, do you see it now?" "No." "Then pay us and you will." |
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| 21:21.27 | jnwhiteh | how can I check my GCD? |
| 21:21.28 | Cairenn|afk | nevcairiel: yeah, ipl too :p |
| 21:21.33 | industrial | zenzelezz: win |
| 21:21.49 | Fisker | i can do better Cairenn|afk |
| 21:22.10 | Thunder_Child | work it Fisker, work it |
| 21:22.35 | Fisker | no Thunder_Child |
| 21:22.39 | Fisker | i don't do that anymore |
| 21:22.52 | Thunder_Child | must have been a huge pay cut |
| 21:23.11 | Fisker | i won the lottery |
| 21:23.53 | nevcairiel | jnwhiteh: cast something, dump the cooldown |
| 21:24.18 | nevcairiel | or find some spell with 1.5s base cast time, assuming you have no talents that reduce gcd |
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| 21:35.49 | jnwhiteh | whats base for healing touch? |
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| 21:36.26 | Fisker | i don't know |
| 21:36.29 | Fisker | but i once killed a guy |
| 21:37.21 | nevcairiel | jnwhiteh: 3 seconds |
| 21:37.33 | jnwhiteh | hrm ok |
| 21:37.40 | jnwhiteh | so mine is 1.97 |
| 21:37.50 | jnwhiteh | so I've got .47 to go before I'm haste capped? |
| 21:38.39 | nevcairiel | check hibernate, its a 1.5s cast |
| 21:38.52 | nevcairiel | and the gcp cap isnt a hard cap. You still benefit from haste |
| 21:38.56 | nevcairiel | gcd* |
| 21:39.23 | nevcairiel | hots tick faster, other spells still get faster |
| 21:41.00 | nevcairiel | assuming a 5% haste raid buff, 1016 haste rating is the point where your rejuv gets a 6th tic. Thats really a point you want to reach, if you can. Something extra doesnt hurt, though |
| 21:43.17 | adys_ | nevcairiel, and the gcd lowers down to 1.0s too |
| 21:43.41 | adys_ | or was it 1.33s |
| 21:43.47 | nevcairiel | Its 1.0s |
| 21:43.55 | nevcairiel | but i thought that was implied |
| 21:44.37 | nevcairiel | I think you reach that point before you reach the 6th tic of rejuv though |
| 21:44.50 | nevcairiel | many people stop getting haste once they hit the gcd cap |
| 21:48.03 | nevcairiel | or maybe not |
| 21:49.19 | nevcairiel | with 1.5s gcd, why does it supposedly take 50% haste to reduce the gcd to 1s. Am i missing something there <.< |
| 21:49.34 | nevcairiel | I would've guessed 33% |
| 21:50.49 | nevcairiel | oh, i had the calculation wrong, meh |
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| 21:53.24 | Thunder_Child | ~staple Bibi |
| 21:53.24 | purl | ACTION attaches a staple gun to a pneumatic nail gun via duct tape, staples Bibi quite well, and hands Bibi to thunder_child |
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| 22:02.03 | adys_ | Anyone who watches Burn Notice? |
| 22:02.36 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 22:02.40 | Thunder_Child | but only up till last season |
| 22:02.48 | adys_ | what do you think of it? |
| 22:02.49 | Thunder_Child | since i prefer to watch them a season at a time |
| 22:02.55 | Thunder_Child | i rather enjoy it |
| 22:04.30 | Thunder_Child | has that right blen of humor and action |
| 22:04.33 | Thunder_Child | blend* |
| 22:06.22 | adys_ | Aight |
| 22:06.33 | adys_ | Thunder_Child, you watch White Collar? |
| 22:07.08 | Thunder_Child | adys_: no, never even heard of it |
| 22:07.41 | adys_ | it runs on USA too |
| 22:07.58 | adys_ | watched both, watching BN atm, it feels like a twin series |
| 22:08.01 | Thunder_Child | i dotn watch tv per se, i simply download shows |
| 22:08.06 | adys_ | same |
| 22:08.29 | adys_ | but ive come to the conclusion that USA Network's picks are really good in general |
| 22:08.30 | Thunder_Child | well, it means that unless i go out hunting for shows or someone points them out, i dont see new ones |
| 22:09.04 | adys_ | give white collar a shot |
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| 22:09.08 | adys_ | only two seasons so far tho |
| 22:09.46 | olafski | burn notice is nice =) |
| 22:09.49 | olafski | white collar sounds nice then :P |
| 22:10.14 | adys_ | white collar is a conman who gets caught and helps the fbi for his sentence |
| 22:10.28 | adys_ | plot is like the polar twin of burn notice |
| 22:10.34 | adys_ | they feel really similar tho |
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| 22:22.39 | Hirsute | http://clientsfromhell.net/post/1564899185/quirky Grrr |
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| 22:24.22 | Angayelle | hai peoplez |
| 22:25.20 | Angayelle | i've spend a week getting my untiframes clickable and working with SecurUnitButtonTemplate, i finally found what was the problem : i removed the <TitleRegion setAllPoints="true" /> from my template |
| 22:25.32 | Angayelle | please tell me how that was related ? |
| 22:26.50 | zenzelezz | I'm not sure, but maybe your titleregion was intercepting all the clicks since it's covering your its entire parent? |
| 22:28.03 | zenzelezz | your its, eh... I fail at checking my sentences |
| 22:28.48 | olafski | not legally ehh |
| 22:30.56 | Angayelle | gosh, i feel so tired having spent so many time without seeing it before |
| 22:39.17 | olafski | woop, 10 lvl 80s.. one of each class except rogue :D |
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| 22:43.35 | Jerub | i hate herbing :/ |
| 22:44.04 | Thunder_Child | then dont do it |
| 22:44.36 | Xyphoid | the herb bots are back on db at least |
| 22:44.44 | Jerub | bots? |
| 22:45.06 | Xyphoid | you know the people posting 700 stacks of adder's tongue at a time |
| 22:46.21 | Jerub | i'm on 229, i can very nearly pick sungrass |
| 22:47.12 | Dagmar | Yeah, if the volume is high enough you might as well just go ahead and report htem for botting |
| 22:47.26 | Dagmar | I had to report a leather botter last year, although I hated to do it |
| 22:47.28 | Jerub | i used to buy out stuff on AH cheap and relist |
| 22:47.52 | Dagmar | His prices were rock bottom, literally, but no one has the kinda volume he was getting day after day |
| 22:48.54 | Dagmar | Humans who sleep do not collect >2000 borean leather a day, every day |
| 22:49.34 | Jerub | wooosungrass time |
| 22:56.40 | Angayelle | right now i'm using variables and concatenate strings to set units with : local jtfunit = "Angayelle"; if (UnitIsDead(jtfunit.."-target")) then ... |
| 22:57.24 | Angayelle | in lua this work no problem but in xml with Attributes : <Attribute name="unit" type="string" value="target" /> it doesn't |
| 22:57.38 | Angayelle | any hints to have it working ? |
| 22:59.12 | Fisker | oh my |
| 22:59.15 | Fisker | premature detonation |
| 22:59.23 | Shirik | .. |
| 22:59.29 | Angayelle | you farted ? |
| 22:59.35 | Fisker | no |
| 22:59.38 | Fisker | i blew up a mountain |
| 23:00.14 | Angayelle | minecraft ? |
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| 23:00.44 | Fisker | yes |
| 23:00.49 | Angayelle | thought so |
| 23:03.30 | Fisker | http://imgur.com/FaqEI.png <-and boom goes the dynamite |
| 23:04.12 | Nobgul | Surprised it wasn't a fart, He must have gotten that looked at |
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| 23:10.39 | Computerpunk | http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/comment/9/2010/11/c929acb0fb07abcaabd9b087c1a9907d/original.jpg |
| 23:11.17 | Fisker | slaps Computerpunk around a bit with a large trout |
| 23:11.22 | Computerpunk | Fisker, :< |
| 23:11.28 | Computerpunk | This one's not old. |
| 23:11.29 | Computerpunk | :< |
| 23:11.59 | Computerpunk | hides under Fisker's couch. |
| 23:14.09 | Fisker | infact it is |
| 23:14.28 | Fisker | since it's more close to 2012 by now than 2010 |
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| 23:17.24 | DarthAndroid_ | does anyone know how the bonus action bar "steals" the keybindings when it's active, and then releases them back to the action bar when it's hidden? |
| 23:18.36 | Fisker | i am awesomeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
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| 23:23.07 | foxlit | DarthAndroid_: normal override bindings should do that trick, but they might not be what the bar uses. Anyhow, it's blizzard code, so they can do whatever and get away with it :) |
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| 23:35.43 | Fisker | a bomb foxlit |
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| 23:44.11 | olafski | "wtf 32k tank" healer leaves |
| 23:44.13 | olafski | ... :P |
| 23:44.30 | olafski | (heroic gundrak) |
| 23:46.36 | Xyphoid | i quite enjoy coming in as replacement healer and watching the tank die while i'm still respeccing |
| 23:48.48 | Angayelle | !api SetAttribute |
| 23:48.48 | lua_bot | Frame:SetAttribute: Sets a secure frame attribute (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Frame/SetAttribute) |
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| 23:49.47 | olafski | =) |
| 23:50.17 | foxlit | Xyphoid: l2respec before accepting. |
| 23:50.28 | foxlit | Though I suppose you're not the one paying for repairs :P |
| 23:50.44 | olafski | any thoughts on whether affliction or destruction is better for a just-dinged warlock in heroics? |
| 23:51.38 | Angayelle | if i use jtfmt2 = "Angayelle"; frame:SetAttribute ("unit", jtfmt2) will the attribute be <Attribute name="unit" type="string" value="Angayelle" /> or <Attribute name="unit" type="string" value="jtfmt2" /> ? |
| 23:51.46 | Angayelle | i think the first would apply, right ? |
| 23:53.32 | Angayelle | tho "Angayelle" might not be a valid value, i should maybe get the raid id for me and apply this value |
| 23:53.42 | Angayelle | raindindex* |
| 23:55.00 | DarthAndroid_ | Angayelle: first would apply, and yes, you should use your raidid |
| 23:57.20 | Angayelle | !api raidindex |
| 23:57.20 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'raidindex'. |
| 23:57.45 | Angayelle | mmmh to get that raidindex i thought there would be some GetRaidIndex api somewhere but no |
| 23:57.51 | DarthAndroid_ | nope |
| 23:57.52 | Angayelle | thanks darth |
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| 23:58.46 | DarthAndroid_ | function () for i = 1,GetNumRaidMembers() do if UnitName("raid"..i) == "Angayelle" then return "raid"..i end end end |
| 23:59.10 | DarthAndroid_ | might want to change "Angayelle" to UnitName("player") if you don't always have the same name on all your characters |
| 23:59.58 | DarthAndroid_ | And if you're wanting to reference yourself, "player" works just as good in place of the raidid |
