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| 00:23.17 | DWSR | Dagmar: Well aren't you an asshole. |
| 00:29.42 | Amarande | Dammit, Bioware. |
| 00:30.05 | Amarande | The Dragon Age DLC function doesn't know how to resume downloads. Fail. |
| 00:32.07 | Amarande | anyway, to get back to WoW: is ancient lichen exclusively an instance node? |
| 00:33.28 | Corrodias2 | it's an undead STD |
| 00:33.47 | Cide | you don't need resume on downloads that small |
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| 00:34.32 | Hirsute | Corrodias2: bwahahaha. |
| 00:36.09 | Kraps | wow, killed herald voljas (sp) is one pass |
| 00:36.09 | batbot | Kraps, nothing found. |
| 00:36.22 | Kraps | batbot: l2wow |
| 00:38.48 | A-KO | I wish they'd bring back world bosses |
| 00:38.54 | A-KO | that shit was just so much fun back in the day |
| 00:40.20 | Arrowmaster | except old kazzak |
| 00:40.38 | A-KO | old kazzak ruled |
| 00:40.39 | Arrowmaster | only ever killed him once |
| 00:40.44 | Arrowmaster | because he was never up |
| 00:40.45 | Amarande | wow, stuff in Mana Tombs hits hard on heroic. |
| 00:40.46 | A-KO | we killed him nearly every time he was up |
| 00:40.52 | A-KO | Arrowmaster: we had alts camped |
| 00:40.53 | A-KO | :P |
| 00:40.59 | Arrowmaster | so did we |
| 00:41.01 | Amarande | or is that about the sort of hittingness I should be expecting from the normal mobs when cata comes and I hit Hyjal, so I might as well solo it to prepare myself? :) |
| 00:42.35 | Hirsute | Question: Is datamining the cache files a violation of the ToS? |
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| 00:47.38 | Cide | doubt it but what're they going to do about it? |
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| 00:47.47 | Cide | you probably can't get any help in here though |
| 00:47.59 | Cide | since it's not very encouraged :P |
| 00:48.54 | Amarande | ok, I don't think I'm going to be able to finish this instance right now. gonna have to go back and buy more food first, at the least. :S |
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| 00:51.17 | Hirsute | Cide: That's actually why I was asking, I knew if it *was* a violation of the ToS (easy to catch or not) that I wouldn't want to pursue asking for help in here. Judging on the lack of response, to the original question, though, I doubt anyone in here has spent much time doing it, either way. No worries. |
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| 01:04.47 | Kraps | http://kotaku.com/5683911/armed-robbers-snatch-100-copies-of-black-ops-in-gamestop-heist |
| 01:04.57 | Kraps | COD is srs bssnss |
| 01:08.37 | Hirsute | Well, this is all sorts of odd. WoW on Win 7, not installed in program files, I own and have write permissions on the entire folder tree, indexing is not turned on, the game refuses to write an itemcache.wdb file on exit. |
| 01:09.36 | A-KO | Hirsute: I don't have itemcache.wdb |
| 01:09.40 | A-KO | I have itemtextcache.wdb |
| 01:09.43 | A-KO | gameobjectcache.wdb |
| 01:09.48 | A-KO | but no itemcache.wdb |
| 01:10.55 | Hirsute | A-KO: Good to know. I've been noticing that my item cache is getting wiped on every logout, and from what I was able to read, that information was stored in itemcache.wdb, so I've been looking for that to try to figure out why everything was getting wiped. |
| 01:11.52 | A-KO | Maybe the game doesn't keep an itemcache anymore? |
| 01:12.11 | Xinhuan | there is no more itemcache.wdb |
| 01:12.14 | Xinhuan | every logout wipes it |
| 01:12.18 | Hirsute | It's possible, though others seemed to be seeing it keep the cache. |
| 01:12.27 | Xinhuan | which is part of the problem with GetitemInfo() |
| 01:12.29 | A-KO | wonder why it clears on logout :P |
| 01:12.33 | Hirsute | Xinhuan: Ah, well, good to know. |
| 01:12.36 | A-KO | bug then? |
| 01:12.49 | Hirsute | That or the person who was testing it was mistaken. |
| 01:12.52 | Xinhuan | well getiteminfo itself is problematic, because if it returns nil |
| 01:13.01 | Xinhuan | it sends a request to the server as well |
| 01:13.05 | Hirsute | (on this end, who said that his cache was persistent) |
| 01:13.49 | Hirsute | Xinhuan: Aye, this much I was aware of. It was actually me poking at GetItemInfo() that made me notice my item cache wasn't persisting across sessions and start looking into this. |
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| 01:15.13 | Thunder_Child | i'm so spoiled by pvp premades i cant do anything else anymore :( |
| 01:15.46 | Hirsute | It takes me about 5 - 7 minutes after a loging of looping through my list itemIDs to get GetItemInfo() to return for all of them, and was noticing that it was that way after every logon. |
| 01:16.07 | Hirsute | *login |
| 01:17.24 | Mirrormn | http://www.jmaxxz.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=94:drizzlychrome&catid=16:downloads&Itemid=32 this is the answer to my prayers! |
| 01:17.49 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL7yD-0pqZg&feature=related |
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| 01:39.07 | Thunder_Child | Mirrormn: i home that person can write code better than they can write a paragraph. |
| 01:39.11 | Thunder_Child | hope* |
| 01:44.14 | alestane | Would you kill him in his bed? Thrust a dagger through his head? |
| 01:44.14 | alestane | I would not, could not, kill the King. I could not do that evil thing. |
| 01:44.14 | alestane | I would not wed this girl, you see. Now get her to a nunnery. |
| 01:44.15 | alestane | "Green Eggs and Hamlet" |
| 01:50.45 | Wobin | alestane: <3 |
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| 02:21.04 | Thunder_Child | you know, i would not exactly call Futuremark and indi game dev |
| 02:21.33 | Thunder_Child | indy* |
| 02:32.41 | adys_ | ahahah. |
| 02:32.43 | adys_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIJ36uUxJBw&feature=sub |
| 02:32.52 | adys_ | comments: "It's great to finally see google getting into the tracking game. " |
| 02:33.09 | adys_ | I want the rock that guy has been living under |
| 02:34.33 | Thunder_Child | no kidding |
| 02:34.40 | Thunder_Child | adys_: whats with the tail? |
| 02:35.27 | adys_ | You jealous? |
| 02:35.34 | Thunder_Child | not really |
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| 03:08.52 | Kraps | hmm, guess i'm wheelchair-slamming my pc too much? |
| 03:09.16 | Seerah | need bumpers |
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| 03:26.38 | Kraps | http://comics.com/peanuts/2010-11-07/ |
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| 03:51.34 | Shirik | http://www.vancouversun.com/health/Canadian+scientists+transform+human+skin+into+blood/3791337/story.html |
| 03:56.25 | batrick | Shirik: you never played chess |
| 03:56.32 | Shirik | you never asked! |
| 03:56.39 | batrick | you never said you were ready! |
| 03:56.41 | Shirik | 731320 |
| 03:56.51 | Shirik | I never do anything on the weekend |
| 03:57.39 | Shirik | do you havve a google account, batrick? |
| 03:57.44 | Shirik | igoogle has a chess applet now |
| 03:57.44 | batrick | yes |
| 03:58.30 | batrick | dont worry about it |
| 03:58.33 | batrick | not feeling chess right now |
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| 04:00.42 | Shirik | :( |
| 04:03.27 | Computerpunk | hugs shirik |
| 04:03.35 | Shirik | :) |
| 04:06.52 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:07.06 | batrick | 100 |
| 04:07.25 | xyphoid | who uses them in quantities apart from 1 |
| 04:08.08 | Kraps | 2 and 4 wouldnt make sense? |
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| 04:11.58 | Amarande | I try to shy away from the "many stacks of one" AH paradigm |
| 04:12.18 | Amarande | it's irritating. especially when you need 20 of something for an enchant and you have to INDIVIDUALLY BUYOUT TWENTY AUCTIONS |
| 04:12.20 | Amarande | seriously. |
| 04:13.44 | xyphoid | er, frozen orbs? |
| 04:13.49 | xyphoid | the things that you need one of? |
| 04:14.45 | Jerub | i buy them in 5-10 lots because i use one a day |
| 04:14.57 | Jerub | but only if that's cheaper than singles |
| 04:15.55 | Amarande | 'course I normally sell frozen orbs singles since I usually only *have* one or maybe two at a time to sell |
| 04:16.40 | Jerub | okay, what gems fit in yellow sockets that can increase melee dps? |
| 04:16.57 | Wobin | dex? |
| 04:17.00 | Wobin | er |
| 04:17.01 | Wobin | agi? |
| 04:17.19 | mikma | derp? |
| 04:17.26 | Humbedooh | crit + str? |
| 04:17.48 | Jerub | ooh, crit. |
| 04:17.59 | Jerub | lolwat? there's a mastery gem? |
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| 04:19.50 | Jerub | derp. |
| 04:19.54 | Jerub | mastery it is then :D |
| 04:20.51 | xyphoid | are they available now? |
| 04:21.08 | Jerub | oh no, they're not |
| 04:21.11 | Jerub | doh |
| 04:21.58 | Jerub | so crit or haste are my options. |
| 04:22.28 | Jerub | i might just zerg agility instead |
| 04:22.36 | Jerub | i'm slowly respeccing my bear to up his DPS |
| 04:22.51 | Jerub | i'm realising that his survivability is a little too high for the content he's doing |
| 04:25.24 | Computerpunk | Now that blizz broke a workaround for a broken event, I'm supposed to fix it how? AHs weren't reported on UPDATE_PENDING_MAIL. Because they were system chat messages. Now, they're there, but they fire event when they sell, not when they get here. And I have no way to find that out. |
| 04:25.49 | Computerpunk | I am sad panda. |
| 04:48.08 | Lulia | Hmm, how does WoW decide what order to do functions registered to events? |
| 04:48.26 | Humbedooh | Voodoo |
| 04:48.45 | Humbedooh | you shouldn't need to know :) |
| 04:49.11 | Amarande | Lulia: stay away from the voodoo mon |
| 04:49.24 | Lulia | :P |
| 04:49.42 | Lulia | I do need to know, because I have stuff loading out of the expected order ;) |
| 04:49.45 | Humbedooh | has made teh instance maps with zoom function, yays |
| 04:50.03 | Humbedooh | Lulia: then you're doing it wrong :( |
| 04:50.30 | Amarande | what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 04:50.34 | Lulia | Well, I need to know why it's wrong. I have one AddOn load function which comes before the other in the script. |
| 04:50.44 | Lulia | The one which comes a fter relies on info from the first one |
| 04:50.51 | Lulia | But theo ne that comes after is firing first. |
| 04:50.52 | Lulia | one* |
| 04:50.54 | Lulia | after* |
| 04:51.02 | Lulia | Let me see if I'm checking for MY addon |
| 04:51.03 | Lulia | hmm |
| 04:51.06 | Humbedooh | then you're programming it wrong :( |
| 04:51.34 | Lulia | Well, strictly speaking, of course that's the issue. What I'm looking for are suggestions on why it could be wrong |
| 04:51.47 | Humbedooh | if one mod _depends_ on another, it should be a dependency :> |
| 04:52.07 | Humbedooh | or you should add a custom event that fires when mod A has loaded, so mod B can pick it up |
| 04:52.18 | Lulia | It's the same mod |
| 04:52.45 | Humbedooh | I can't say much more unless I look at the code |
| 04:53.12 | Lulia | Actually, this makes even less sense because both have the addon loaded event, the one which is firing second comes first in the code AND fires whenever an addon loads, whereas the one that's firing first fires ONLY when my AddOn loads |
| 04:53.17 | Lulia | And comes second in the script |
| 04:53.32 | Lulia | Hmm |
| 04:54.25 | Lulia | oh wait, no, they both fire on PowerBars, hmm |
| 04:55.19 | Amarande | Lulia maybe you need to try Zone Perfect energy bars instead then |
| 04:55.21 | Amarande | ducks |
| 04:55.32 | Lulia | >.> |
| 04:55.54 | Humbedooh | likes this new map zoom stuff o/ |
| 04:56.24 | Lulia | map zoom? |
| 04:56.43 | Humbedooh | ye, I can draw a rectangle on whatever instance map and then zoom in on that area :) |
| 04:56.55 | Humbedooh | for use as background on my doodles |
| 04:57.11 | Lulia | Well, I put them both in the same event handler, and I think that fixed it |
| 04:57.22 | Lulia | But it makes no sense why it wasn't working the way it was originally written |
| 04:57.36 | Humbedooh | sure it does - you just haven't made that sense yet :p |
| 04:57.38 | Lulia | Your doodles? |
| 04:57.45 | Humbedooh | ye, my doodles! |
| 04:57.55 | Lulia | fuck, it didn't fix it |
| 04:57.56 | Humbedooh | @describe doodlepad |
| 04:57.58 | Repo | Humbedooh: http://www.wowace.com/addons/doodlepad/. Doodlepad. It's a doodle pad for doodling with doodles. |
| 04:58.01 | Lulia | This makes absolutely no sense |
| 04:58.39 | Lulia | local function OnPowInit(frame, event, addon) |
| 04:58.39 | Lulia | if addon == "PowerBars" then |
| 04:58.39 | Lulia | PowerBars:DoSavedVars(frame, event, addon); |
| 04:58.39 | Lulia | GetInfo(); |
| 04:58.39 | Lulia | InitFrames(); |
| 04:58.40 | Lulia | end |
| 04:58.40 | Lulia | end |
| 04:58.54 | Lulia | PowerBars:DoSavedVars(stuff) comes before InitFrames() |
| 04:59.02 | Lulia | And sorry about the spam >.> |
| 04:59.02 | Amarande | how does doodlepad manage to work? I'd think that wouldn't work anymore after the stuff they did to quash AVR |
| 04:59.08 | Lulia | I meant to condense to one line. |
| 04:59.14 | Humbedooh | it works just fine! |
| 04:59.23 | Lulia | I think the functionality is only for in-combat maybe, Amarande? |
| 04:59.30 | Lulia | That it's broken |
| 04:59.53 | Humbedooh | they did remove a ton of stuff that AVR abused ye, but I don't use any of that |
| 05:00.13 | Lulia | In any case, you can CLEARLY see which function is called first. |
| 05:00.16 | Amarande | I wonder what WoW would be like if they didn't have secure frames and didn't disable any of the supposed "abused" addons over the years |
| 05:00.22 | Lulia | And yet, the function that's called second is being run first |
| 05:00.30 | Amarande | would it still be a game worth playing with 12+M users? :) |
| 05:00.33 | Humbedooh | Amarande: I think you'd be...bored :p |
| 05:00.41 | Amarande | how so? |
| 05:00.58 | Humbedooh | well you'd be able to just click one button and then it'd play by itself |
| 05:01.07 | Amarande | the main one most folks bring up is decursive, but even without decursive, healing is still fairly boring LOL |
| 05:01.13 | Amarande | relaxing, but boringish :) |
| 05:01.25 | Amarande | I've been known to have entire conversations on IRC while healing Utgarde Keep as disc |
| 05:01.35 | Humbedooh | ye but even before that, we had mods that could move characters around by itself |
| 05:03.12 | Humbedooh | hmm, now to make a boring list of all new instance maps |
| 05:03.25 | Jamash1 | is there a way to configure mmo champion to not be green? |
| 05:04.06 | nobgul | not that i have found =( |
| 05:05.20 | Amarande | Jamash: what's wrong with green? |
| 05:06.17 | nobgul | Its a tad eh |
| 05:06.41 | Jerub | Amarande: i watched a whole doctor who episode while healing once. |
| 05:07.00 | Jerub | Amarande: had the hunter on /follow and could only see grid (windowed wow to the right of the screen) |
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| 05:08.40 | Lulia | Man, on those enchants: Good thing Pallies will still favor intellect over spirit, the spirit enchant has a sucky visual. |
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| 05:10.27 | Amarande | Jerub: Disc priest? :) |
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| 05:10.44 | Jerub | Amarande: resto shammy |
| 05:12.39 | Computerpunk | School time., |
| 05:12.39 | Computerpunk | cya |
| 05:12.39 | Computerpunk | :< |
| 05:14.10 | Wobin | Lulia: I believe they removed the information that allowed AVR to do the maths required to project the information |
| 05:14.23 | Wobin | not the functionality itself |
| 05:14.54 | Amarande | Wobin, is that why DBM can only do certain fixed distance range checks in certain zones or was that another limitation that always existed? |
| 05:15.55 | Amarande | like sometimes when I die in Icecrown and release before the wipe is complete I'll get a notice saying "X yard range check is not supported in this zone, supported distances are W, Y, and Z yards" |
| 05:17.40 | Humbedooh | Amarande: what they removed was the direction of the player |
| 05:17.53 | Humbedooh | or, the camera to be specific |
| 05:20.24 | Wobin | Amarande: that's a more specific limitation |
| 05:20.44 | Humbedooh | http://static.wowace.com/content/images/27/476/doodle.jpg doodling with a zoomed in map |
| 05:20.59 | Amarande | Humbedooh: yeah it would have to be the camera not the player, or DBM warnings on Eadric and Yogg-Saron in particular wouldn't work right |
| 05:21.28 | Amarande | Wobin: what was the purpose of that one? It just seems odd and awkward and silly |
| 05:21.29 | Wobin | yes, was the camera |
| 05:21.36 | Amarande | (the yardage limitation that is) |
| 05:21.45 | Wobin | there is no specific yardage |
| 05:21.49 | Wobin | only guesses from the minimap |
| 05:21.52 | Wobin | and spells |
| 05:22.21 | Amarande | ah, so basically either it has to be a granular distance visible on the minimap, or the maximum distance of a spell your character has? |
| 05:22.40 | Wobin | and other spells, like charge, has a minimum distance you can also use |
| 05:22.57 | Humbedooh | hmm pretty sure deus vox shows distance down to 0.01 yard or something |
| 05:23.13 | Wobin | probably something you want to ask Antiarc if you want more details |
| 05:23.26 | Antiarc | What's the question? |
| 05:23.31 | Antiarc | Oh, range checks |
| 05:23.35 | Amarande | What I don't get is why the distances available are different depending on zone :S |
| 05:23.35 | Lulia | I fixed my problem by patching an if statement into the second function |
| 05:23.39 | Antiarc | Instance coordinates don't exist in some zones |
| 05:23.46 | Lulia | But it makes no sense that the second function would run first, I dont get it |
| 05:23.52 | Antiarc | you can only do granular distance checks in zones that provide coordinate data |
| 05:23.55 | Humbedooh | and gay people don't exist in Iran |
| 05:24.01 | Amarande | Antiarc: yeah, but the case where I see it most is releasing after a wipe in ICC that is not complete |
| 05:24.07 | Amarande | and both ICC and Icecrown world zone have coordinates |
| 05:24.11 | Antiarc | That's odd. |
| 05:24.16 | Antiarc | LK, perhaps? |
| 05:24.17 | Hirsute | That's what I understood as well. |
| 05:24.23 | Antiarc | Coordinates go away when his ledges fall off |
| 05:25.09 | Amarande | yeah, I'm not exactly sure which bosses it tends to happen on |
| 05:26.14 | Lulia | I guess I'll try to figure it out tomorrow ;) |
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| 05:38.40 | BigSqueaks | hi, i'm just starting on adding some ui elements to an addon, but the tutorial scene seems to be dead, anyone have any suggestions of good places for someone starting out? |
| 05:38.52 | Arrowmaster | ~wowprogramming |
| 05:38.52 | purl | i guess wowprogramming is World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons - http://is.gd/7A3Jx - a book written by Cladhaire (jnwhiteh) and Gazmik, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 05:39.07 | BigSqueaks | thx |
| 05:39.11 | Xinhuan | actually Antiarc, since patch 4.0, the map coords returns are far more accurate now |
| 05:39.23 | Xinhuan | it used to return like 0.1234 |
| 05:39.27 | Xinhuan | now it returns like 0.12345678 |
| 05:40.21 | Amarande | and yet, they still can't fix swamp of sorrows so half the coordinates while you're questing offshore for murlocs and crabs aren't Eastern Kingdoms continental coordinates |
| 05:40.27 | Amarande | (and another bunch of the water there just doesn't seem to have any coordinates at all) |
| 05:40.55 | Xinhuan | well that's a zone issue |
| 05:40.59 | Xinhuan | not an API issue |
| 05:41.03 | Antiarc | Xinhuan: That seems excessive |
| 05:41.10 | Antiarc | You don't usually need that level of detail |
| 05:41.13 | Amarande | shouldn't the coordinates just keep going on above 100 then? :) |
| 05:41.23 | Antiarc | At least not unless zones were an order of magnitude larger than they are now |
| 05:41.25 | Arrowmaster | no because its a percentage |
| 05:41.29 | Arrowmaster | it cant go above 100 |
| 05:41.31 | Antiarc | Coordinates are [0..1] |
| 05:41.35 | Xinhuan | well the returns is 0-1 |
| 05:41.40 | Arrowmaster | hell it cant actually ever hit 1 |
| 05:41.44 | Arrowmaster | or 0 |
| 05:41.49 | Antiarc | you have to use a zone size scalar per zone to map that to actual in-game coords |
| 05:42.06 | Xinhuan | yeah those numbers got more accurate too |
| 05:42.08 | Xinhuan | in the dbc |
| 05:42.15 | Xinhuan | apparently |
| 05:42.20 | Amarande | Arrowmaster: I've seen 100,x in Swamp of Sorrows swimming east just before I lose coordinates completely |
| 05:42.36 | Arrowmaster | no you didnt, you saw your addon rounding it up to 100 |
| 05:42.40 | batrick | anyone have any suggestions for dvd ripping software that just copies the vob files in the same dir structure as they are on the dvd? |
| 05:42.59 | Arrowmaster | batrick: vobcopy |
| 05:42.59 | Xinhuan | just copy it? lol |
| 05:43.07 | batrick | vobcopy doesn't work with some dvds |
| 05:43.18 | batrick | can't "just" copy it because they're encrypted |
| 05:43.35 | Xinhuan | so you don't actually just want to copy it |
| 05:43.40 | Xinhuan | you also want to decrypt it |
| 05:43.47 | batrick | well, yes |
| 05:44.00 | Arrowmaster | oh i dont think vobcopy does that |
| 05:44.57 | Arrowmaster | have you tried anydvd |
| 05:46.32 | batrick | no |
| 05:46.59 | batrick | only for windoze |
| 05:47.29 | MentalPower | linux or mac? |
| 05:47.34 | batrick | linux |
| 05:47.48 | MentalPower | I know vlc has the decryption stuff still in it |
| 05:48.00 | MentalPower | dunno if it can do just the vobs |
| 05:48.07 | Arrowmaster | you can use vobcopy then try to find something else to decrypt later |
| 05:49.17 | Arrowmaster | i used vobcopy when i was trying to watch my stargate sg1 dvds because the box lightly scratched them and glitches during playback kept resetting the position so i just copied them to my harddrive and no glitches |
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| 06:00.50 | Ycarene | batrick - Acidrip |
| 06:02.18 | batrick | hasn't been updated since 2004 :( |
| 06:02.20 | Ycarene | batrick - k9copy works too, and it has the added feature of pulling in the whole dvd instead of just the main movie. |
| 06:02.53 | batrick | newer dvds these days have strange hacks that make software puke |
| 06:03.27 | Arrowmaster | if you run into one of those just run anydvd inside virtualbox or something |
| 06:03.45 | Arrowmaster | theres not much if any linux software that can handle those dvds |
| 06:03.52 | Ycarene | batrick - I use k9copy to archive dvd's since it'll allow you to recode to a smaller file size for fitting dual layered dvds into a single layer size. |
| 06:04.55 | batrick | i dont want to do any sort of reencoding, just mirror the vob files |
| 06:04.55 | Ycarene | batrick - most of the time, the trick that the newer dvd's do is putting up 98 junk titles on the disk. All you need to do is play the disk using VLC to see which title is the right one. |
| 06:07.05 | Ycarene | Hmm |
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| 06:09.35 | Kraps | is the alt fring team more awesome or is it just my imagination? |
| 06:09.45 | Kraps | fringe* |
| 06:10.05 | Arrowmaster | no clue never seen fringe |
| 06:10.14 | Arrowmaster | and i think im going to goto bed now |
| 06:10.18 | Ycarene | batrick - Well, vobcopy does have a linux version. |
| 06:10.35 | Arrowmaster | Ycarene: there is a non linux version?!?!? |
| 06:11.09 | Ycarene | Ack, reading comprehension for me, sorry Arrowmaster. |
| 06:11.55 | Arrowmaster | night |
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| 07:12.39 | Shirik | People are strange |
| 07:12.46 | Fisker | NO YOU |
| 07:12.49 | Shirik | username change request on Wikipedia: CATALAI â Catalai |
| 07:12.54 | Shirik | Reason: OLD USER NAME WAS IN CAPITAL LETTERS CATALAI (talk) 12:47 am, Today (UTCâ5) |
| 07:13.05 | Shirik | This man has a caps problem |
| 07:13.08 | Shirik | maybe he is Fisker |
| 07:13.14 | Fisker | WHAT IS SO STRANGE? |
| 07:14.03 | Shirik | <3 Fisker |
| 07:14.11 | Shirik | I made corn dogs |
| 07:17.24 | batrick | or maybe a sense of humor :) |
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| 07:17.44 | batrick | harro shirik |
| 07:17.53 | Shirik | ohi |
| 07:18.41 | Fisker | goodbye batrick |
| 07:18.43 | Shirik | ãã£ã¨ãã£ã¨ç´ é¡ã« |
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| 07:19.59 | batrick | what language is that shirik |
| 07:20.38 | Fisker | you will die batrick |
| 07:21.02 | batrick | wishes the powers that be would rid us of Fisker |
| 07:21.28 | batrick | oi shirik |
| 07:21.31 | batrick | why are you up so late |
| 07:21.50 | Fisker | you simply can't stop me batrick |
| 07:21.56 | Shirik | I don't know actually |
| 07:21.58 | Shirik | batrick: japanese |
| 07:22.21 | batrick | i'm up late because i can't wake up at a reasonable hour on the wekened :( |
| 07:29.04 | Jerub | someone recommend me a mouse |
| 07:30.01 | mitch0 | mx518 |
| 07:30.09 | Humbedooh | indeedy |
| 07:30.29 | Humbedooh | I just replaced my old mx500 with the 518 ;> |
| 07:30.33 | Amarande | Anyone else here play Dragon Age? |
| 07:31.42 | Jerub | i have an mx400 at work |
| 07:32.01 | Amarande | I'm trying to figure out if there is a way to fix this desynch without having to buy all the DLC again |
| 07:32.25 | Amarande | It's listed as authorized on my bioware account - but it insists I need to buy it to download it in-game, and if I follow the manual procedure it says unauthorized |
| 07:33.00 | dmp1314 | noob question alert: when an addon appears broken/outdated cuz of some new changes blizz introduced, is the cause of the problem in the client or is the change on their server? |
| 07:33.49 | Amarande | dmp: if it says "out of date" it's because the TOC number doesn't match the current version. you need to click "load out of date addons" |
| 07:34.06 | Amarande | this happens every patch, particularly with addons that didn't need any changes to work with the new patch |
| 07:36.20 | dmp1314 | so why do some addons need some alterations to work with the new patch? wht is it exactly blizz changing, some structure? what structure, where? or is it only the version number causing the alerts |
| 07:36.34 | bluspacecow | they change the api |
| 07:36.52 | bluspacecow | so the addons dont work the same way anymore |
| 07:37.10 | bluspacecow | while they do announce chnges they dont announce them all |
| 07:37.22 | bluspacecow | there have been ninja changes to the api with patchs before |
| 07:37.43 | dmp1314 | and how do u get to know what change did they make? isnt blizz a closed source company? or do they make it public |
| 07:37.49 | dmp1314 | ah u answered :) |
| 07:38.21 | dmp1314 | so if a ninja change happens, the addon creator is in trouble? :9 |
| 07:38.40 | bluspacecow | well we have a an mvp that gets the changes from blizzard , theres forum announcements and theres the ptr ... but sometimes blizzard ninja changes in |
| 07:38.50 | bluspacecow | well yeah |
| 07:39.09 | bluspacecow | cause then they need to figure out what blizz changed and get an update in |
| 07:39.32 | Hirsute | Correction: There are ninja changes with almost every patch. |
| 07:39.47 | Napoleone | lets see how everyquest work |
| 07:39.49 | bluspacecow | *nod* *nod* |
| 07:39.59 | Napoleone | Message: [string "EveryQuestTitle1:OnLoad"]:1: attempt to index global 'this' (a nil value) |
| 07:40.01 | Napoleone | hah |
| 07:40.23 | tem | oh boy |
| 07:40.29 | tem | that's some super old code |
| 07:40.31 | Hirsute | That can usually be fixed with a :%s/this/self/g in vim |
| 07:40.39 | tem | this has been deprecated since 2006 |
| 07:40.46 | Napoleone | lol |
| 07:40.46 | taroven | Was about to say. |
| 07:40.50 | Hirsute | But continued to work until this patch. |
| 07:40.51 | Napoleone | and it says its up to date |
| 07:40.55 | Napoleone | someone should shoot the guy then |
| 07:40.57 | Hirsute | So a lot of people didn't bother to update it. |
| 07:41.08 | tem | shrug |
| 07:41.10 | tem | they're still wrong |
| 07:41.21 | tem | it's not like we weren't warned nearly 5 years ago that this change would happen |
| 07:41.24 | tem | they had plenty of time |
| 07:42.01 | bluspacecow | yep yep |
| 07:42.27 | Napoleone | lol |
| 07:42.49 | bluspacecow | they only just removed "this" from the API despite warning us its going ages before |
| 07:44.26 | Amarande | sooo ... do you think EA executives deserve to be locked in a room with Putricide, Sindragosa, Arthas, and Lana'thel together until they beg for mercy, btw? :) |
| 07:44.35 | Hirsute | tem: I agree with you, but it's amazing how many people hadn't gotten around to making the change. |
| 07:45.05 | Amarande | Or until they catch the Scourge and turn into mindless zombies, that's fine with me too. |
| 07:45.06 | tem | Hirsute, yeah I am pretty surprised at how many still haven't done it |
| 07:45.17 | Amarande | except they're pretty mindless already |
| 07:45.51 | Hirsute | *nod* |
| 07:46.29 | bluspacecow | well as long as "this" was still actually working but frowned upon people had no reason to update it to "self" |
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| 07:46.36 | bluspacecow | at least i think self is what you use now |
| 07:46.56 | Hirsute | I was pleasantly surprised, actually, by how easily a command-line perl script that did a replace s/this/self/ recursively on every file in my addons folder fixed most of the problems my installed addons were having. |
| 07:47.16 | tem | 'self' is faster than 'this' |
| 07:47.21 | tem | that's enough reason by itself |
| 07:47.23 | Hirsute | bluspacecow: Other than that Blizzard had told us, "This *will* stop working at some point, this is your notice to change" |
| 07:47.38 | bluspacecow | which was in 2006 yes ? |
| 07:47.43 | Hirsute | Aye |
| 07:47.49 | Napoleone | grr why cant i say that i dont need these 3 quests |
| 07:47.53 | Hirsute | People *should* have changed as soon as Blizz told us that. |
| 07:47.59 | tem | also, turning off 'this' makes a big difference in speeding up the whole ui |
| 07:48.23 | tem | so it was in everyone's interest to get up to date |
| 07:48.30 | Hirsute | I won't even begin to pretend to understand why "this" is slower than "self". That's beyond my understanding. |
| 07:49.58 | Napoleone | wnightwish - last of the wilds |
| 07:50.05 | Napoleone | awesome track |
| 07:50.06 | tem | it's a global lookup |
| 07:50.10 | tem | vs a local lookup |
| 07:50.39 | tem | the difference is pretty insignificant until you repeat it hundreds of times a second |
| 07:50.42 | bluspacecow | im guessing this was a global lookup that was slower then the local lookup of self ? |
| 07:51.33 | tem | right |
| 07:52.15 | tem | self was added in burning crusade. although bc wasn't actually released until january 07, the ui changes were announced around september of 06 |
| 07:52.41 | Napoleone | so the guy was super lazy |
| 07:52.46 | tem | amusingly, I don't think self was originally added for the performance increase it would later grant |
| 07:53.13 | Napoleone | the small accidents that prooved awesome ;P |
| 07:53.23 | bluspacecow | sold ma skinning knife ..... i fail |
| 07:53.32 | tem | with the secure execution/tainting system coming into major use in bc, secure code needed a way to access 'this' while guaranteeing that it wasn't tainted by addon code |
| 07:54.21 | Shirik | Hirsute: It's simple |
| 07:54.24 | Shirik | every global is in _G |
| 07:54.31 | Napoleone | hmm |
| 07:54.35 | Shirik | which means if you use a global, the code must first get _G and then index it |
| 07:54.44 | Shirik | a local is just a value on the stack |
| 07:54.45 | tem | well |
| 07:54.48 | Shirik | which is literally free |
| 07:55.01 | tem | first it's got to determine that the variable you're looking for isn't local |
| 07:55.08 | Shirik | well that's in the bytecode |
| 07:55.14 | tem | that's true |
| 07:55.16 | Hirsute | Shirik: And 'this' was global while 'self' is local? |
| 07:55.24 | Shirik | yes |
| 07:55.28 | tem | that's handled when the addon is loaded |
| 07:55.43 | Hirsute | Sounds shiny |
| 07:56.26 | Napoleone | time to go through every zone.. gah |
| 07:56.34 | Shirik | hey cool |
| 07:56.40 | Shirik | when my mouse's battery gets low it gets very pissed off |
| 07:56.51 | Napoleone | get a wired one ;P |
| 07:57.15 | Shirik | ew no |
| 07:57.26 | Amarande | yeah I use a wired mouse, and it only gets pissed off when cat hair gets in just the right spot over the laser sensor |
| 07:57.36 | Napoleone | god its still showing the AQ quests |
| 07:58.25 | dmp1314 | cat>mouse simple as that |
| 08:00.36 | dmp1314 | btw is there any profit with addons making? donations on the site, publicity-> banners, google ads, and such? |
| 08:00.45 | bluspacecow | heh |
| 08:00.47 | bluspacecow | not really |
| 08:01.01 | bluspacecow | i think the omen guys got $40 worth of donations |
| 08:01.05 | bluspacecow | over its lifetime |
| 08:01.28 | Antiarc | Curse's revenue share program is good pizza money |
| 08:01.34 | Antiarc | But it's not going to pay the bills any time soon |
| 08:01.47 | dmp1314 | heh :) |
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| 08:03.20 | Amarande | 40 bucks, that'll get you what, a dinner at outback for one? |
| 08:03.30 | Amarande | won't get you a dinner at Durango's for even one person, for sure |
| 08:03.31 | dmp1314 | yeah now that i think of...with the Curse software u dont even get to see addons websites |
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| 08:04.00 | Napoleone | everyquest is really bugged |
| 08:04.01 | Napoleone | dam |
| 08:04.03 | Amarande | also, what's the new thing in DBM lately? half our raid logged out before sindy to update it |
| 08:04.06 | Amarande | and I'm not sure why :) |
| 08:04.06 | Hirsute | I don't know of many (if any) addon authors that make even as much off of their addons as they put into them. |
| 08:04.06 | Napoleone | that quest addon gone to hell then |
| 08:04.38 | mitch0 | hirsute: I'm about even (if only counting wow subscription, and not the time invested) |
| 08:04.38 | Amarande | what I do know is that sindy served us good tonight and we called the raid for the week :( |
| 08:05.01 | Hirsute | mitch0: Not bad. |
| 08:05.10 | Amarande | god, I hate sindy. |
| 08:05.39 | Amarande | like I said, it's not mobility battles in general. I LOVE the Blood Princes fight in particular, and I also find PP, VDW, and LK to be quite fun |
| 08:05.47 | Amarande | but sindy just sucks orc butt for some reason |
| 08:05.57 | Amarande | (or I should say night elf butt, since I'm horde) |
| 08:06.09 | Napoleone | Loktar Ogar ;P |
| 08:06.21 | Hirsute | I'm pretty sure she's devoured her share of pretty much every race in her time. |
| 08:06.43 | Amarande | basically, we had a long string of heroic attempts which culminated in giving up and trying it on normal |
| 08:06.56 | Amarande | by that point, one of our priests was DC'd and wasn't coming back, so we ended up trying to nine man it and it didn't go so well |
| 08:07.23 | Jerub | Amarande: blood princes on heroic is a bloodbath |
| 08:07.25 | Jerub | but BQ is easy |
| 08:07.59 | Amarande | Jerub: yeah, that's one of the three we still haven't managed |
| 08:08.05 | Amarande | we're still missing Princes, Sindy, and LK HMs |
| 08:08.05 | Jerub | and i don't know what problem people have with sindy. i think it's one of those fights that if you aren't tired and hungry and grumpy it's easy |
| 08:08.25 | Jerub | we went through and did HMs we'd not done before, and for two of them we gave up and did the achievement instead |
| 08:08.29 | Amarande | Jerub: I think the problem was we made too many heroic attempts, then when we tried to fall back to normal, we were tired and grumpy. AND someone was offline. |
| 08:08.39 | Napoleone | anyone know a quest addon like everyquest |
| 08:08.56 | Amarande | I did learn something neat, though. |
| 08:09.04 | Amarande | If you get blown up by someone's Unchained Magic debuff expiring (it's AoE on heroic) |
| 08:09.11 | Amarande | it counts as a PvP death and doesn't give you a durability hit |
| 08:09.47 | Jerub | what's the changedmechanic with sindy on H? |
| 08:10.00 | Hirsute | Amarande: Interesting. |
| 08:10.36 | Amarande | Jerub: more HP, more damage, Unchained Magic's damage is AoE, and the frost breaths in the air phase are one-shots for about 200k damage |
| 08:10.48 | Amarande | I think the rest is still all the same |
| 08:11.14 | Amarande | I call it the "air phase" because apparently DBM and our raid use different phase numbering from some folks |
| 08:11.31 | Amarande | DBM (and our raid) consider both the ground and air portions before 35% to be collectively Phase 1, and 35% on down to be Phase 2 |
| 08:11.41 | Amarande | others apparently consider ground phase high HP to be P1, air phase P2, and 35% on down to be P3 |
| 08:12.42 | Napoleone | noone? |
| 08:13.44 | Shirik | so tired |
| 08:15.11 | dmp1314 | what does everyquest do? |
| 08:17.20 | Napoleone | comeon addonmakers lol Message: Interface\AddOns\UberQuest\UberQuest.lua:1112: bad argument #4 to 'format' (number expected, got no value) |
| 08:18.17 | Napoleone | everyquest is suppose to get the quests from blizzard.. as it does.. but then.. theres no filer options and i cant recognize quests you've already done |
| 08:18.27 | Napoleone | like AQ opening quests are filling org and shit. |
| 08:19.10 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 08:19.13 | Fisker | i will hurt you for free |
| 08:20.26 | Fisker | wat |
| 08:20.33 | Fisker | i'm downloading a torrent that has -6 peers |
| 08:20.34 | Fisker | :E |
| 08:21.18 | Amarande | dammit. having to reinstall a multi gigabyte game on steam makes a 20M pipe feel like dialup. |
| 08:22.18 | Fisker | i disagree |
| 08:23.50 | Fisker | Losing 500GB of steam games, and about another 1,5TB of various programs, movies and shows makes a 20Mbit pipe feel like dialup |
| 08:25.27 | Amarande | 500GB of just steam games? |
| 08:25.34 | Amarande | eesh, that's the size of my entire hard disk |
| 08:26.20 | Amarande | Fisker: the point though is I shouldn't even need to reinstall this, but EA sucks, so I do. |
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| 08:39.03 | Shirik | I really hate the new google |
| 08:39.12 | mitch0 | what new google? |
| 08:39.36 | Shirik | the one that's been out for like a month |
| 08:39.36 | Fisker | kinect is watching you masturbate Shirik |
| 08:39.46 | Fisker | so the old google? |
| 08:39.54 | Shirik | the new old google |
| 08:40.07 | mitch0 | shirik: the automagic thing? |
| 08:40.12 | Shirik | yes |
| 08:40.13 | mitch0 | it can be turned off? |
| 08:40.15 | Shirik | I can't use backspace |
| 08:40.18 | Shirik | it's so stupid |
| 08:40.32 | mitch0 | also, I search from the url bar 99% of the time anyway |
| 08:40.39 | a-stray-cat | what do you mean you can't use backspace |
| 08:40.43 | mitch0 | g whatever |
| 08:41.14 | a-stray-cat | backspace seems to work fine for me, it even updates when i backspace :/ |
| 08:45.21 | Shirik | backspace |
| 08:45.25 | Shirik | is supposed to mean "go back" |
| 08:45.28 | Shirik | not "delete a character" |
| 08:45.37 | Shirik | but even if you're not in teh edit box it's like "oh you meant delete character lololol" |
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| 08:46.39 | a-stray-cat | ahh, i see |
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| 08:54.24 | Shirik | Cairenn, go to sleep |
| 08:54.34 | Cairenn | nod |
| 08:54.37 | Cairenn | shortly |
| 08:54.50 | Amarande | Evening Cairenn |
| 08:54.51 | Cairenn | hi |
| 08:57.11 | Amarande | how's it going? |
| 08:58.32 | Trela | gives Cairenn lots of hugs~ |
| 08:58.44 | Cairenn | hugs Trela |
| 09:00.24 | Shirik | another IRC channel has decided how I'm going to die |
| 09:00.40 | Shirik | I will eventually explode and create a crater in the earth the size of texas |
| 09:00.40 | Trela | Net split, Shirik? |
| 09:00.52 | Shirik | and then it will become a national attraction |
| 09:01.04 | Shirik | and this is how I will become famous |
| 09:01.07 | Trela | Shirik: Please make the explosion over Texas. People will make monuments of you. |
| 09:01.12 | Shirik | ha |
| 09:02.01 | mitch0 | HAAA |
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| 09:03.26 | airtonix | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:04.18 | airtonix | alt + left arrow |
| 09:05.34 | Shirik | no |
| 09:05.37 | Shirik | I want my backspace |
| 09:05.38 | airtonix | yes |
| 09:05.43 | Shirik | also alt is a dangerous key |
| 09:05.47 | airtonix | DO ET NOW PEASANT |
| 09:05.48 | harl | hi |
| 09:05.48 | Shirik | too easy to hit alt+shift |
| 09:06.18 | airtonix | alt + shift left arrow just moves me to my other workspace |
| 09:06.47 | airtonix | which could be dangerous if im at school and have dsniff running there and the teacher walks past and sees all his passwords |
| 09:06.49 | Shirik | alt+shift for me ããtã¡ãsç®ã¨ããæ´¾å¯ãã㧠|
| 09:07.33 | Shirik | this is why alt is a key that should only be pushed for commands |
| 09:07.43 | Shirik | not for "oh um, we ran out of keys so use this one" |
| 09:07.47 | airtonix | like "go back in history" |
| 09:07.55 | Shirik | what was so wrong with backspace! |
| 09:07.58 | Amarande | Shirik: or strafe in FPS :) |
| 09:08.03 | Amarande | I still remember the olden days of quake |
| 09:08.17 | Amarande | where someone would have ctrl, alt, and del all bound to stuff that might all be used simultaneously ... ;) |
| 09:08.29 | airtonix | i think backspace already had "wtf wrong character IMA KEEEL YOU FOOOL!" |
| 09:08.48 | Shirik | hahahaha |
| 09:08.55 | Shirik | Wikipedia is testing out this new AI bot for vandalism |
| 09:08.58 | Shirik | It um |
| 09:09.00 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Keiran_Lee&diff=prev&oldid=395512713 |
| 09:09.01 | Shirik | Yeah |
| 09:10.16 | mitch0 | anyone good at creating nice icons? :) |
| 09:10.29 | airtonix | fisker is |
| 09:10.42 | Shirik | ok sleep time bye |
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| 09:10.47 | mitch0 | he _is_ an Icon, he's not good at creating them |
| 09:11.07 | airtonix | hear that fisked ? |
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| 09:17.57 | Fisker | airtonix is |
| 09:19.13 | Jamash1 | steve jobs is |
| 09:19.52 | mitch0 | I need a compass icon... |
| 09:20.06 | mitch0 | actually, just an arrow |
| 09:20.42 | the-golem | for? |
| 09:20.49 | mitch0 | broker_compass |
| 09:21.00 | the-golem | *nod* |
| 09:21.21 | Jamash1 | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=creative+commons+arrow+icon |
| 09:21.22 | mitch0 | I'll just paint one myself then :( |
| 09:21.53 | the-golem | i went boring and used a blizz compass icon for my thingy |
| 09:22.01 | mitch0 | jamash: been googling for 2 hours yesterday... in fact, googling for the icon took more time than writing the addon... |
| 09:22.53 | the-golem | i can do north arrows, easy. compasses not so much. |
| 09:23.03 | the-golem | course, mine are architectural so they're uber boring |
| 09:23.22 | mitch0 | I need a not-so-boring almost-north-arrow :) |
| 09:24.21 | the-golem | ^^ |
| 09:24.26 | mitch0 | something like a slim triangle with a small triangle cut out at the bottom, left side dark blue right side light blue |
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| 09:33.42 | the-golem | so, something like this 5 second mashup": http://roenfanz.info/images/Arrow_mock.png |
| 09:41.01 | the-golem | time to go play some force |
| 09:41.08 | the-golem | (unleashed) |
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| 09:54.02 | mitch0 | the-golem: still here? |
| 09:54.09 | Jamash1 | nope |
| 09:54.12 | mitch0 | gah :( |
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| 10:42.57 | Deveyus | Hello all. |
| 10:44.23 | Deveyus | Just wondering if it's possible to have asynchronus callbacks on a timer? |
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| 11:00.51 | zenzio | Deveyus: I'm fairly sure the (easy) answer is "no", but could you elaborate on what you want to do? |
| 11:01.11 | Deveyus | Was mostly just curious. |
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| 11:01.30 | Deveyus | I wanted to make a timer,but it was an 'added feature' not something coretowaht I was doing. |
| 11:01.46 | Deveyus | Stupid spacebar. |
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| 11:07.00 | angayelle | hai peoplez |
| 11:11.44 | angayelle | i made this function for coloring my bars, based on a table but whatever i do, the bar turn to black http://wowuidev.pastey.net/142587 |
| 11:12.10 | angayelle | if anyone have some spare seconds to have a look |
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| 11:14.05 | zenzio | angayelle: try putting unpack() around the JTF_COLORS... inside the SetVertexColor |
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| 11:18.06 | angayelle | using frame:SetVertexColor(unpack(JTF_COLORS["MAGE"])) will return the 3 results from the table with each separated by "," ? i thought it would use " " as a separator |
| 11:18.35 | zenzio | JTF_COLORS["ENEMY"] will return a table |
| 11:19.01 | zenzio | (unless my lua is way off) |
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| 11:20.04 | zenzio | lua> JTF_COLORS = { ["HUNTER"] = {0.67,0.83,0.45}}; print(type(JTF_COLORS["HUNTER"])) |
| 11:20.04 | lua_bot | zenzio: table |
| 11:20.57 | angayelle | shouldn't i use r, g, b = unpack(JTF_COLORS["MAGE"]) and then use frame:SetVertexColor(r,g,b) ? or it's the same ? |
| 11:21.33 | angayelle | your method might avoid to declare variables tho |
| 11:23.21 | zenzio | you could do it your way (with variables) or mine, the difference would be little :) |
| 11:24.39 | angayelle | lua> JTF_COLORS = { ["HUNTER"] = {0.67,0.83,0.45}}; print(unpack(JTF_COLORS["HUNTER"])) |
| 11:24.39 | lua_bot | angayelle: 0.67, 0.83, 0.45 |
| 11:24.51 | angayelle | ah yes indeed |
| 11:25.09 | angayelle | unpack is what i needed, thanks a lot |
| 11:25.22 | zenzio | np |
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| 11:38.50 | adys_ | nevcairiel, or anyone, ever used py2exe on a non windows platform? |
| 11:40.44 | airtonix | wtf is "wayland" |
| 11:41.09 | airtonix | something to do with a new X server ? |
| 11:41.24 | adys_ | Yeah, it's a different window system |
| 11:41.45 | arkanes | adys_: you can't |
| 11:41.47 | adys_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayland_(display_server) |
| 11:41.55 | adys_ | display server, w/e |
| 11:43.28 | haste | airtonix: it's a new display server, which doesn't implement the X protocol and such |
| 11:43.48 | haste | no idea if the wikipedia article says anything useful |
| 11:43.51 | zenzio | :-o |
| 11:44.06 | adys_ | http://gitorious.org/~krh/qt/qt-wayland whatt |
| 11:44.51 | airtonix | is it supposed be better on battery usage ? |
| 11:45.03 | adys_ | its supposed to be better all-around |
| 11:45.10 | adys_ | since it's, you know, not 30 years old |
| 11:45.12 | mitch0 | it's supposed to be better with compositing and stuff |
| 11:45.40 | mitch0 | it probably won't be better with remote servers though |
| 11:46.16 | adys_ | Why not? |
| 11:47.14 | zenzio | now I don't know much about X internals, but wasn't it designed from early on as client-server stuff? I'd assume (hope?) the old code did that well at least |
| 11:47.20 | mitch0 | as far as I understand it operates by exposing low-level hardware-ish stuff to clients |
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| 11:48.34 | jadakren | gaylord wifi |
| 11:48.40 | adys_ | zenzio, there are a lot of assumptions from 20-30 years ago that arent valid anymore |
| 11:48.58 | zenzio | adys_: that sounds pretty likely, good point |
| 11:49.01 | adys_ | not only just about linux itself, but about networking as well |
| 11:49.24 | Humbedooh | and about Canadians |
| 11:49.34 | airtonix | and alot of assumptions about windows that are STILL TRUE /cheer |
| 11:49.34 | cbreak_work | OpenGL was designed for a client/server architecture too |
| 11:49.42 | cbreak_work | but it changed a lot in the last few versions |
| 11:49.51 | cbreak_work | because the underlying hardware changed |
| 11:49.57 | Humbedooh | and Nokia started as a sawmill ;o |
| 11:50.07 | airtonix | orly? |
| 11:50.09 | adys_ | http://cgit.freedesktop.org/wayland/log/ |
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| 11:50.19 | arkanes | X actually has a reasonably strong architecture |
| 11:50.24 | adys_ | thats some seriously dead development for an alpha project thats supposed to be backed by canonical |
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| 11:50.31 | arkanes | the main problem, and the biggest one form the distros point of view, is the driver model |
| 11:50.38 | airtonix | ^ |
| 11:50.43 | arkanes | X re-does a ton of work that the kernel already does to load display drivers |
| 11:51.25 | cbreak_work | maybe it'd be better to implement something-like-X-api (wine style) on top of OpenGL |
| 11:51.26 | arkanes | and the problem *there* is that if you want solid 3d performance in your Weyland server, and you do because it's all OGL, you're going to have to get Nvidia and ATI and Intel to write drivers for your new architecture |
| 11:52.01 | cbreak_work | that way you can run ancient software without much porting load |
| 11:52.03 | airtonix | and they won't because they're all like "MUWHAHAH WE RULL THE WORLD!!!!111onefacepony": |
| 11:52.17 | arkanes | they won't because you've got a classic chick/egg problem |
| 11:52.59 | airtonix | i like my reason better |
| 11:53.05 | arkanes | I don't know anything about weyland, but if it actually solves the X driver problem then porting drivers will neccesarily be a considerable effort |
| 11:53.34 | airtonix | refrains from pointing something out |
| 11:54.48 | cbreak_work | apple writes their own drivers for graphic cards. And aren't we all impressed by the variety of graphic cards available on that platform and their raw power? :) |
| 11:55.19 | zenzio | do they really? |
| 11:55.26 | arkanes | they're involved |
| 11:55.38 | arkanes | it's not a pure-apple effort, they work with nvidia and ati |
| 11:55.54 | airtonix | AHA! |
| 11:57.27 | arkanes | but of course apples drivers are closed source, and they have a well known corporate relationship with nvidia and ati |
| 11:57.44 | arkanes | which makes them entirely unlike the OSS world and wayland in partcular |
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| 11:58.00 | adys_ | there isn't any "considerable effort" to port x11 drivers to wayland |
| 11:58.23 | zenzio | in the sense that not much is needed? |
| 11:58.34 | adys_ | less than people think |
| 11:58.46 | arkanes | don't tell me that |
| 11:58.48 | arkanes | tell nvidia |
| 11:58.51 | zenzio | okay, just wanted to make sure it wasn't "not much is being done" |
| 11:58.53 | adys_ | "legacy" cards will suffer, but thats only really-fucking-old ones which are on an unmaintained branch |
| 11:58.56 | Computerpunk | spam on this channel |
| 11:58.56 | Computerpunk | :< |
| 11:59.04 | zenzio | Computerpunk: ..? |
| 11:59.12 | adys_ | nvidia will port their shit to wayland im sure of it |
| 11:59.16 | arkanes | the cards actually at issue are not the ones with well maintained drivers in the kernel tree |
| 11:59.16 | adys_ | ati will.. hahahahha. ati. |
| 11:59.19 | Computerpunk | lots of discussing going on, zenzelezz. |
| 11:59.26 | zenzio | that's not spam |
| 11:59.44 | Computerpunk | zenzio, * |
| 11:59.46 | Computerpunk | Well, yeah. |
| 11:59.47 | Computerpunk | XD |
| 12:00.06 | adys_ | arkanes, intel drivers are open source, and ati open source drivers are getting better than their official counterpart |
| 12:00.06 | Computerpunk | subtle way of saying hi. |
| 12:00.21 | adys_ | and with nvidia porting theirs |
| 12:00.26 | adys_ | id say you dont have to worry about this |
| 12:00.47 | arkanes | well I'm not :P |
| 12:01.00 | arkanes | I'm just talkin' he-ah |
| 12:01.22 | cbreak_work | why do you need OSS drivers anyway? |
| 12:01.31 | arkanes | btw not sure if you saw me earlier, py2exe doesn't support cross compilation |
| 12:01.31 | cbreak_work | closed source ones should be just as good if they work |
| 12:01.42 | adys_ | arkanes, did see ya |
| 12:01.46 | adys_ | getting it to work on wine atm |
| 12:01.59 | adys_ | cbreak_work, ati ones certainly dont, intel ones are inexistant |
| 12:02.05 | adys_ | nvidia ones work fine and will be ported by nvidia |
| 12:02.05 | arkanes | cbreak_work: there's plenty of people who prefer OSS solutions for non-technical reasons |
| 12:02.36 | arkanes | also some who prefer them for technical reasons but to be honest thats a fairly small group |
| 12:08.20 | Deveyus | Sigh, ready for more questions that I mostly shouldn't have to ask, but seem to need to anyways? |
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| 12:13.31 | Deveyus | If I have http://wowuidev.pastey.net/142590 as a table, how do I get down to those internal values as k/v pairs? |
| 12:13.47 | Deveyus | That question is malformed... |
| 12:14.39 | arkanes | Deveyus: you can pass those tables to pairs() just like any other table |
| 12:14.42 | Deveyus | I need to be able to go through and for each (non-sequential) value in that table, get the two stored numbers. |
| 12:15.39 | Deveyus | I think I get it... |
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| 12:16.08 | arkanes | if you just want to unpack them of course you wouldn't use pairs |
| 12:16.23 | arkanes | (or ipairs, in this case) |
| 12:17.14 | angayelle | i don't understand your table at all |
| 12:18.08 | Deveyus | There's a reasonable chance the table isn't written correctly, though, it's just full of nonsenseright now to test, if that's why. |
| 12:18.17 | angayelle | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/142591 have a look at mine, it use multiple value with one entriy |
| 12:18.20 | arkanes | Deveyus: you can unpack a linear table into sequential arguments with unpack |
| 12:19.09 | angayelle | problem is that his table is unreadable, at least for me |
| 12:19.55 | airtonix | does winforms have a notebook object like GTK does ? |
| 12:20.45 | arkanes | airtonix: windows has a built in notebook control, yes |
| 12:20.53 | arkanes | sort of |
| 12:21.04 | airtonix | arkanes, what is it called so i can look it up |
| 12:21.06 | arkanes | it's more like the pieces you make a notebook control out of |
| 12:21.09 | angayelle | let me try to understand it Deveyus : for your first index [1001] you have 3 values, right ? |
| 12:21.12 | arkanes | depends on what you mean by winforms |
| 12:21.29 | angayelle | which themselves are split into 2 values ? |
| 12:21.42 | Deveyus | 3 value pairs, yes. |
| 12:21.49 | airtonix | arkanes, System.Windows.Forms |
| 12:22.08 | arkanes | airtonix: TabControl |
| 12:22.13 | airtonix | arkanes, cheers |
| 12:22.30 | angayelle | are thoses values placeholders or the final values ? |
| 12:22.37 | Deveyus | Placeholders. |
| 12:24.20 | angayelle | first you end and starts tags were misplaced http://wowuidev.pastey.net/142594 |
| 12:24.22 | zenzio | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/11/07/funny-pictures-de-caff/ |
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| 12:24.59 | angayelle | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/142597 better |
| 12:25.23 | angayelle | you don't have to reinsert you table name in each index |
| 12:25.48 | Deveyus | I'm at: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/142596-g60y |
| 12:26.53 | Deveyus | If it helps, the first number is an ITEMID the value pairs are quantity and value in copper. |
| 12:27.01 | Deveyus | They're just nonsense atm,but that's the goal. |
| 12:27.12 | angayelle | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/142598 the table is good here |
| 12:28.41 | Deveyus | I get an error when I try to run that though. |
| 12:29.05 | angayelle | why would you have multiples set quantity in the table ? just have the quantity and value and then multiply |
| 12:29.39 | angayelle | ehe i believe there is more errors to come |
| 12:29.55 | Deveyus | For a total value in copper? |
| 12:30.02 | angayelle | yes |
| 12:30.12 | Deveyus | I need to know how many at each price. |
| 12:30.43 | angayelle | but the increase in price is linear with the number of items |
| 12:30.53 | Deveyus | It may not always be. |
| 12:30.58 | zenzio | oh my... http://failblog.org/2010/11/05/epic-fail-photos-probably-bad-news-prank-fail/ |
| 12:31.09 | angayelle | well i don't see a case in which it shouldn't |
| 12:31.22 | angayelle | unless you're not speaking of wow |
| 12:31.48 | angayelle | or you're selling to players and want to do a rebate for quantity |
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| 12:33.15 | Deveyus | I am. Let's say you buy 10 frozen orbs today, they're 10g each. Tommorow you buy 10 more, at 20g each. Now the average price of them is ((10*10)+(10*20)) /20 |
| 12:33.39 | Deveyus | But if you sell 5, then you have 5 at 10 and 10 at 20...and the average changes. |
| 12:33.46 | Deveyus | That average is what I'm working towards. |
| 12:37.31 | angayelle | ok |
| 12:40.26 | angayelle | you should maybe have a savedvariables with previous values stored, then add the new new stock and price to it and then insert the result in you table |
| 12:40.50 | angayelle | or you will have your table growing of a new value each time you buy someting |
| 12:42.01 | Deveyus | I plan to save this table as a savedvariable. I will remove entries as the items are removed.. |
| 12:43.06 | angayelle | well removing an entry work you remove the full entry but when you sell back 5 orbs, from which entry will remove it ? |
| 12:43.18 | angayelle | the earlier one ? |
| 12:43.31 | Deveyus | Yeah,whatever one is the earliest. |
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| 12:43.51 | angayelle | if you're speaking of average then you don't need to store each value in a table, just store the average |
| 12:43.56 | arkanes | Deveyus: you realize that this won't give you informtion of any use? |
| 12:44.16 | angayelle | yeah we're merely discussing concept here |
| 12:45.16 | Deveyus | It's a rolling average of different quantities with different prices. |
| 12:45.36 | arkanes | if you want to track gain/loss rations you should just maintain a single average |
| 12:45.37 | Deveyus | Average value of current stock |
| 12:46.45 | arkanes | where you're going wrong is the idea that you need to calculate the changed average on a per-item basis |
| 12:46.55 | angayelle | you just said it yourself : average value of current stock is the key |
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| 12:47.37 | arkanes | you want to store the average value of an item, which just takes 2 fields per item, and then when you sell something you record the per item sell price |
| 12:47.51 | Flowyk | is there function that returns value of index in table? |
| 12:47.52 | zenzio | http://verydemotivational.memebase.com/2010/11/05/demotivational-posters-regrets-2/ |
| 12:47.57 | arkanes | that way you can get a gain/loss value for each item |
| 12:48.30 | angayelle | use this as arg flowyk : (tablename[index]) |
| 12:48.32 | arkanes | the way you're talking about doing it would give you a misleading/incorrect value for your profits |
| 12:48.48 | Flowyk | angayelle dont want this but function that do this |
| 12:49.21 | Flowyk | need to do something like this: { "first", "second" }[1] |
| 12:49.44 | Flowyk | I dont want to save table just use it |
| 12:50.10 | Deveyus | I'm trying to compose an accurate and illistrative example. |
| 12:50.48 | Flowyk | Im replacing this |
| 12:50.49 | Flowyk | ChannelMGRMode(1) and L.AddChannel or ChannelMGRMode(2) and L.CopyChannel or ChannelMGRMode(3) and L.DeleteChannel or "" |
| 12:51.01 | angayelle | what does first and second stand for ? values ? |
| 12:51.23 | Flowyk | yes it will be strings |
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| 12:51.48 | Flowyk | want to create a function that returns table |
| 12:51.57 | Flowyk | and use this table without saving it |
| 12:52.26 | angayelle | you want a function that create a table and then use it without saving it |
| 12:52.53 | Deveyus | ok, got it. |
| 12:52.54 | Deveyus | Let's use the previous example, ((10*10) +(10*20)) / 20 = 15g each in value, So if I just maintain the average I know I have 30 in stock worth 15 each, if I sell 5, they're still worth 15g each, when they should be ((5*10)+(10*20))/15 = 16.666... |
| 12:52.58 | angayelle | if i understand it |
| 12:53.21 | Flowyk | lua> foo = function() return { "first", "second" }; local temp = foo; return temp[1] |
| 12:53.21 | lua_bot | Flowyk: luabot:1: 'end' expected near 'local' |
| 12:53.28 | arkanes | Deveyus: you want to track your purchases and your sales seperately |
| 12:53.43 | arkanes | Deveyus: they're not "worth" more because you sold some |
| 12:53.50 | Flowyk | lua> foo = function() return { "first", "second" }; end; local temp = foo; return temp[1] |
| 12:53.50 | lua_bot | Flowyk: luabot:1: attempt to index local 'temp' (a function value) |
| 12:54.14 | Flowyk | ok ... do you understand what I want? |
| 12:54.17 | angayelle | you can't speak of average and keep tracks of separeted values at the same time |
| 12:54.25 | Deveyus | They're, on average worth more towards the 20g, than the 15g. |
| 12:54.31 | arkanes | no |
| 12:54.54 | arkanes | the average is exactly what it is |
| 12:55.13 | arkanes | that is the average price you paid for your current stock. if you buy more at a higher price, it will go up |
| 12:55.17 | Deveyus | Then I'm using the wrong term, that number is what I'm after. |
| 12:55.24 | Deveyus | Exactly. |
| 12:55.46 | Deveyus | So that's it's average bought price. |
| 12:55.46 | arkanes | if you buy at a *lower* price, it will go down, because you can sell at a lower price point and still make a profit |
| 12:55.49 | angayelle | i have problems understanding your code flowyk tbh |
| 12:55.52 | arkanes | selling your inventory does not make your inventory worth more |
| 12:56.15 | Deveyus | No, but it makes the average cost of each item higher in this example. |
| 12:56.17 | Flowyk | lua> foo = function() return { "first", "second" }; end; temp = foo(); return temp[1] |
| 12:56.17 | lua_bot | Flowyk: first |
| 12:56.22 | arkanes | why does it do that |
| 12:56.30 | Flowyk | angayelle is there way how to do this without using "temp"? |
| 12:56.49 | Flowyk | something like foo()[1] |
| 12:56.50 | arkanes | I understand that you've created an equation for doing that, but what do you think the point of this number is? It doesn't give you any useful information |
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| 12:57.09 | Deveyus | If I have 10 crappy cars and 1 nice one, I can afford to sell the nice carcheaper if I sell the crappy cars for more, its the same thing. |
| 12:57.15 | arkanes | right |
| 12:57.23 | Deveyus | That's what it demonstrates. |
| 12:57.25 | arkanes | the number you are saying you want is the average price |
| 12:57.32 | angayelle | creating a table with your index and values, doesn't mean you should be using a temp anyway |
| 12:57.38 | arkanes | but then when you describe your thought process, you come up with something else |
| 12:57.51 | Deveyus | I must not be clear, I apologize. |
| 12:57.51 | arkanes | selling a car doesn't change the average |
| 12:58.14 | Deveyus | It changes the average of the prices you still need to sell those at. |
| 12:58.15 | arkanes | you have 10 items. You bought them for varying prices. |
| 12:58.19 | arkanes | no, it doesn't |
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| 12:58.43 | Deveyus | Ok, well, I did fail accounting, so I'm allears. |
| 12:58.54 | arkanes | if you spent 250g total on your inventory, you need to sell the total inventory for at least 250g to make a profit |
| 12:59.03 | Deveyus | To break even, yes. |
| 12:59.08 | arkanes | right |
| 12:59.11 | Flowyk | angayelle ... is there method for table that returns value on index? |
| 12:59.18 | cbreak_work | if you work for free :) |
| 12:59.30 | cbreak_work | Flowyk: it's called table index operator |
| 12:59.34 | arkanes | in your model, you're increasing the price per item every time you make a sale, approching infinity as you sell your last item |
| 12:59.38 | cbreak_work | thing[key] |
| 12:59.52 | angayelle | like i said before (table[index]) will return value for that index |
| 12:59.57 | Flowyk | cbreak_work I need method ... or function but not this |
| 13:00.05 | cbreak_work | then write one |
| 13:00.07 | Deveyus | If you change those values, around, so that you bought the 20g orbsfirst, then the 10g,the price would actually drop |
| 13:00.56 | Deveyus | because then it would be ((5*20)+(10*20))/15 |
| 13:01.06 | angayelle | why don't you set up an empty table in your lua and then add whatever index and values into it, and then read it when you need and remove it afterward ? |
| 13:01.31 | arkanes | Deveyus: but you don't know which one you sold |
| 13:01.46 | Deveyus | You always assume you sold the oldest inventory. |
| 13:01.48 | Flowyk | cbreak_work what is better for cpu ... creating function or table? |
| 13:02.13 | cbreak_work | don't do either in a thight loop |
| 13:02.15 | angayelle | then you can't speak about average deveyus |
| 13:02.50 | Flowyk | ((5*20)+(10*20))/15 == (5*20+10*20)/15 |
| 13:03.16 | Deveyus | True Flowyk, but I find mine easier to read, and less prone to errors. |
| 13:03.21 | angayelle | its like a shop with diferent stock of the same item, each have a different price based on when you bought them |
| 13:03.35 | Mikk | Flowyk: They're both semi expensive, and I imagine it depends on how you treat the data. |
| 13:03.55 | Mikk | I also assume you mean "create a closure", not "load a new function via loadstring()" |
| 13:03.58 | arkanes | Deveyus: this is exactly the opposite of an average |
| 13:04.04 | arkanes | Deveyus: that's why it's a useless number |
| 13:04.34 | cbreak_work | opposite of an average? |
| 13:04.42 | cbreak_work | individual sample? |
| 13:04.45 | arkanes | Deveyus: the average is the price point you need to maintain to make a profit over your inventory |
| 13:04.56 | Wobin | Cairenn|afk: http://www.fukung.net/images/34004/26976f7ac254dd7c1d0cc677eb8e61f0.jpg |
| 13:05.07 | Mikk | Flowyk: if you're interested, you copy it out to a standalone .lua file, and run it in a loop 10000 times, and then you do a full garbage collect. measure the time from start to end using os.clock() |
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| 13:05.19 | Flowyk | Mikk create a new function that returns value of table or just assign table to temp and get value normal way |
| 13:05.42 | Mikk | Like i said, test it =) |
| 13:05.48 | Flowyk | Mikk then you do a full garbage collect |
| 13:05.51 | Flowyk | what it means? |
| 13:06.38 | Mikk | you call collectgarbage("collect") |
| 13:06.56 | adys_ | (03:06:30 PM) Amro: I'm doing man :( |
| 13:07.20 | Mikk | Lua is a garbage-collecting language, i.e. it keeps old un-referenced data floating around for a while until it's time to "collect garbage" |
| 13:07.41 | Mikk | When you're statting CPU cost of something, you want to explicitly make sure it's all been collected, to make sure you're statting the full cost of your operations |
| 13:07.52 | Mikk | Hence 10000 x your operation + 1 sweep of collectgarbage("collect") |
| 13:08.05 | angayelle | gah my wow launcher start, nothing happen and when starting the client, it require an update and launch the launcher, on mac |
| 13:08.25 | Flowyk | is there way how to do it without wow? because in wow is not os ... (I know that wow have GetTime() but what you mean) |
| 13:08.53 | Mikk | Flowyk: well you can do it in WoW with GetTime() too for sure |
| 13:09.09 | Flowyk | how to do it without wow? |
| 13:09.14 | Mikk | but then you have to remember to do a collectgarbage("collect") before the first GetTime() call, or you end up measuring someone else's garbage |
| 13:09.41 | Mikk | Flowyk: http://luaforge.net/projects/lua-wow |
| 13:09.51 | Mikk | but obviously it doesn't have the full WoW API |
| 13:09.56 | Flowyk | thanks |
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| 13:13.52 | Deveyus | Arkanes:I apologize, I do see where I made my errors,sort of. |
| 13:14.18 | Deveyus | How mathmatically, what I'm doing doesn't work on paper like it did in my head. |
| 13:15.04 | arkanes | there actually is some merit to what you were doing |
| 13:15.05 | arkanes | kind of |
| 13:15.40 | arkanes | in that if you are buying for higher prices today, you can sell your older, cheaper inventory for more |
| 13:15.49 | Deveyus | The idea was that by doing that, I knew how much value what I had left had,and could make sure I never sold things at whatwould be an overall lossif I sold them all at that value. |
| 13:15.54 | arkanes | since you're paying more, and therefore the market price has gone up |
| 13:16.05 | arkanes | the average will give you that number |
| 13:16.28 | arkanes | the number you were going for will give you.. something different |
| 13:16.32 | Deveyus | Yeah... Once again I overcomplicatedthings. |
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| 13:17.12 | cbreak_work | It is not true that if you never sell stuff below that average, you won't make a loss |
| 13:17.23 | Deveyus | https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0Av1kMwIz2lF9dHVXXzQxSlVJdUZnRFV5ZFhmbW1KQXc&hl=en&output=html |
| 13:17.34 | cbreak_work | because it is entirely possible that this would cause you to never sell the stuff, therefore having unsellable inventory |
| 13:17.43 | arkanes | right |
| 13:18.11 | arkanes | but that doesn't matter |
| 13:18.18 | Deveyus | Unsellable inventory isn't within the exact scope of concern for this though, if you bought something so expensive you can't sell it, then remove if from the lists, and eat the loss. |
| 13:18.28 | arkanes | if you have to reduce the price to sell, what you are doing is cutting your loss, not avoiding a loss |
| 13:18.28 | Mikk | umm.. track how much you bought for total, track how much you sold for total |
| 13:19.11 | Mikk | min price for remaining items to not make a loss is (bought-sold)/numremainingitems |
| 13:19.13 | Mikk | tadaa? |
| 13:19.16 | Deveyus | Mikk, be careful, you might make sense, that's dangerous around me... could have a cataclysmic reaction with my inability to do so. |
| 13:20.10 | Mikk | but tbh it's a mildly useless statistic since unless you're selling for near 0 profit all the time, the answer will be a negative number |
| 13:20.14 | Mikk | = you made shitloads of profit already |
| 13:21.01 | Deveyus | What if we assume 0, regardless of sell price, so long as the sell price is greater? |
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| 13:21.20 | arkanes | well, track your sell & buy averages seperately |
| 13:21.45 | arkanes | and you probably don't want lifetime averages, but maybe weekly/daily ones |
| 13:21.51 | Mikk | monthly perhaps |
| 13:21.54 | arkanes | which does complicate tracking somewhat |
| 13:22.07 | Mikk | weekly/monthly might make sense |
| 13:22.09 | Mikk | daily not so much |
| 13:22.14 | Deveyus | As each item needs a date index... |
| 13:22.23 | arkanes | you don't want your numbers to hide a spike in prices from you just because you have a lot of historical profit |
| 13:22.28 | Deveyus | Time to hang more plastic on the walls to figure this out. |
| 13:22.30 | Mikk | just shove it into buckets per week |
| 13:22.33 | arkanes | Deveyus: not each item |
| 13:22.36 | Mikk | num sold, total money |
| 13:22.43 | Mikk | num bought, total money |
| 13:22.45 | Mikk | per week |
| 13:22.56 | Mikk | not too much data being tracked, easy to do math on |
| 13:22.59 | Mikk | easy to understand |
| 13:24.08 | Deveyus | This is life proving its point: I suck at math --> Make computer do math work for me --> Computer needs me to explain math --> I have to get better at math... |
| 13:24.29 | Mikk | Or put another way |
| 13:24.32 | arkanes | computes can't do math, they can only calculate |
| 13:24.36 | Mikk | "You learn as long as you live" |
| 13:24.42 | Deveyus | Yeah, I know. |
| 13:24.49 | arkanes | they're faster than you, but not any smarter :) |
| 13:24.57 | Deveyus | Looks like I'ma get better at math then. |
| 13:25.00 | Mikk | arkanes: debatable for some people! |
| 13:25.07 | Deveyus | ^this |
| 13:25.52 | Mikk | But I have to agree on the fast bit since stupid travels with the speed of sound. Someone might look bright until they start speaking. |
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| 13:27.38 | Deveyus | Oh, nifty trick I came up with: If you're like me and cant shell out $500 for a white board try getting plastic window sheeting and taping it to a wall, it works wonders. |
| 13:27.40 | zenzio | http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Free-the-Colors!.aspx#Pic4 |
| 13:27.48 | zenzio | tickles Lopeppeppy |
| 13:27.55 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, zenzio! |
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| 13:31.50 | cbreak_work | or use paper instead of a whiteboard. |
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| 13:32.44 | arkanes | the point of white (or black) board is that it's erasable |
| 13:32.53 | Deveyus | DOn't say pencil |
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| 13:33.58 | zenzio | Deveyus: how big would a $500 whiteboard be? |
| 13:34.26 | Deveyus | That's like 3' tall 4' wide |
| 13:37.35 | Deveyus | Ah well, maybe Ill just scrap the project. Live and Learn eh? |
| 13:41.00 | Lopeppeppy | Why not use chalkboard paint? That's like 10 bucks a can, and I'm sure it could do 3'x4' |
| 13:41.41 | Deveyus | $4 a roll for plastic + markers, and it's easily removable when done, even portable if need be. |
| 13:46.45 | zenzio | I wish people would put a little more thought into their graphics. Saw this on a product page, where they meant to show that "this thing scored top in a review": http://www.komplett.no/mlf/produkt/bilder/614281award.jpg |
| 13:47.10 | zenzio | I'm looking at it thinking "okay, so it didn't get a 6 on the dice... what did it get?" |
| 13:47.29 | arkanes | well we know it didn't get a 1 |
| 13:47.31 | arkanes | so thats good, right? |
| 13:47.43 | zenzio | true |
| 13:48.13 | arkanes | I wonder if theres a standard on which sides the 3/4 and 5/2 are on relative to the 6 |
| 13:48.16 | arkanes | I bet there is |
| 13:48.41 | Deveyus | Yes, but because the 6 is symetrical you cant tell which would be up |
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| 13:49.00 | arkanes | you can tell if its 5/2 or 3/4 |
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| 13:49.09 | arkanes | looking at some pictures, it should be 3/4 |
| 13:49.26 | Deveyus | I cant believe we're discussing this XD |
| 13:49.42 | arkanes | ah |
| 13:49.51 | unfo- | Deveyus, thanks for that trick: re plastic wrap to walls ==> whiteboard |
| 13:49.53 | arkanes | there's actually a whole paragraph about it |
| 13:50.12 | zenzio | Deveyus: then you haven't been in here long enough - we have all kinds of interesting discussions in here |
| 13:50.13 | unfo- | Deveyus, imma gonna talk to our office manager to get all the nearby surfaces covered with that :) |
| 13:50.24 | arkanes | apparently western dice are "right handed" |
| 13:50.33 | Deveyus | lol, notplastic wrap, the stuff you use to insulate winows. |
| 13:50.48 | unfo- | Deveyus, yeah.. sorry wrong term |
| 13:50.50 | arkanes | plastic wrap would probably would but would be a hassle to hang |
| 13:50.55 | unfo- | Deveyus, the stuff you mentioned earlier ;) |
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| 13:51.47 | Deveyus | I was thinking I wasn't going to hang around since, in case somehow you didn't notice, Im not skilled at lua. Nor am I now actively working on anything. |
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| 13:52.43 | Deveyus | I just hate it, that seemed like such a useful calculation, but I can't find a use for it. |
| 13:53.06 | Deveyus | .. kinda a backwards way to do things I guess. |
| 13:54.24 | Deveyus | Not entirely sure why adding up all the averages doesn't result in the same total as multiplying all the averages out. |
| 13:56.27 | unfo- | i haven't written a single line of lua code ever |
| 13:56.42 | unfo- | i still have learned lots of how wow addons work etc from hanging around here |
| 13:59.06 | msoul | Hmm |
| 13:59.13 | Arrowmaster | to combine averages you need to know the sample size of each value |
| 13:59.17 | Arrowmaster | so you can weight them |
| 13:59.19 | msoul | Do you use mage armor on fire spec as well for mana regen? |
| 13:59.20 | nobgul | Most people start with "hacking" code that they want to fix |
| 13:59.29 | msoul | as I'm getting come conflecting comments |
| 13:59.38 | msoul | s.come.some |
| 14:01.13 | nobgul | Don't u use the molten armor still cause of the insta cast spell it gives? |
| 14:02.15 | nobgul | Does it still even give u a insta cast spell 0_o |
| 14:04.21 | Deveyus | Arrow: https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0Av1kMwIz2lF9dHVXXzQxSlVJdUZnRFV5ZFhmbW1KQXc&hl=en&output=html Illustrates what I was talking about. |
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| 14:07.28 | msoul | nobgul: I haven't played as fire much "did hit 80 few days ago" and been playing as arcane sense |
| 14:07.36 | msoul | when I tried fire I had some issues with mana |
| 14:07.51 | msoul | and some are tellin gme to use mage armor for pve |
| 14:07.57 | Deveyus | Fire, now and forever, requires gear. |
| 14:08.08 | msoul | have decent gear |
| 14:08.20 | msoul | 4 pieces of t10 |
| 14:08.34 | msoul | ivl 264 cloak, gloves and feet + belt |
| 14:08.34 | Deveyus | Yeah, but what about all your other bits? Are they at least ilvl 200 |
| 14:08.42 | msoul | heh |
| 14:08.45 | msoul | I just told you |
| 14:09.32 | msoul | only 2 pieces of ilvl 200 trinket "greatness int" and ring and I can replace the ring anytime |
| 14:09.46 | msoul | so for the tinket with badge the 128 int iirc |
| 14:09.54 | Deveyus | What spec are you using? |
| 14:10.01 | Deveyus | How much are you oom'ing by? |
| 14:10.05 | msoul | arcane, mana issues wheni play fire |
| 14:10.22 | Deveyus | I meant, within fire, what spec. |
| 14:10.50 | Flowyk | (10*Orbs#1) + (20*Orbs#2) / Total Orbs -- its lol |
| 14:11.20 | Thunder_Child | you should be using mage armor as arcane as well |
| 14:11.36 | Flowyk | mage armor is for pvp |
| 14:11.42 | Thunder_Child | and pve |
| 14:11.51 | Thunder_Child | for arecane mana = dmg |
| 14:11.52 | msoul | as fire |
| 14:11.55 | Flowyk | why you need regen in pve? |
| 14:11.56 | Thunder_Child | arcane* |
| 14:11.56 | msoul | Deveyus: sec |
| 14:12.00 | Flowyk | when you dont go into spirit |
| 14:12.18 | msoul | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-talents.xml?r=Kazzak&cn=Nmyz&group=1 |
| 14:12.20 | Thunder_Child | because even with a ton of spi gear you will lose mana, and mana = dmg |
| 14:12.29 | Thunder_Child | more mana you have more dmg you do |
| 14:12.35 | Thunder_Child | and the more consistant it is |
| 14:12.45 | Flowyk | you can have molten armor that adds much more dmg |
| 14:12.56 | Thunder_Child | ah, but it doesnt |
| 14:13.16 | Flowyk | ok how big regen you can have? |
| 14:13.23 | Flowyk | out of 5SR |
| 14:13.40 | Thunder_Child | iirc it's 150% i think |
| 14:13.53 | Flowyk | 150%? percent of what? |
| 14:13.58 | msoul | when I play as fire I use molten armor |
| 14:14.03 | Thunder_Child | assuming you glyph mage armor |
| 14:14.08 | Thunder_Child | of your regen |
| 14:14.09 | msoul | hm |
| 14:14.18 | Flowyk | Thunder_Child you dont get "regen" from mage armor |
| 14:14.19 | msoul | are you talking about fire spec and glyphs? |
| 14:14.30 | Flowyk | it only allows you to regen more while you are casting |
| 14:14.33 | alestane | The site's not that impressive but I love the name: http://www.weadornyou.com/ |
| 14:14.55 | Thunder_Child | OF your regen |
| 14:14.58 | Thunder_Child | not more regen |
| 14:15.01 | Deveyus | There is no 5SR now. |
| 14:15.08 | Flowyk | ah |
| 14:15.18 | Flowyk | ok dont plays now sorry |
| 14:15.48 | Thunder_Child | so you dont play anymore but you still managed to argue with me, nice. |
| 14:15.54 | msoul | Deveyus: did you see my spec//gear? |
| 14:15.59 | Thunder_Child | msoul: no, i was talking arcne |
| 14:16.03 | Thunder_Child | arcane* |
| 14:16.14 | msoul | Thunder_Child: then yes mage armor for arcane :) |
| 14:16.18 | msoul | is what I play atm |
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| 14:16.32 | msoul | but my mana issues happen when I try fire |
| 14:17.11 | Thunder_Child | hm...i have a fire spec but i didnt notice that issue the last time i tried it out |
| 14:17.28 | Deveyus | I'm not sure how you're going oom, but when he gets on I could ask my Mage Class lead and see what he says I suppose. |
| 14:17.36 | Deveyus | Do you oom out real slowly? |
| 14:17.53 | msoul | Deveyus: appreciate it |
| 14:18.32 | arkanes | you oom as fire but *not* as arcane? |
| 14:18.35 | msoul | yeah, will cast pyro and fire blast when they proc |
| 14:18.43 | msoul | arkanes yeah |
| 14:18.56 | arkanes | you've got to be doing arcane wrong, then |
| 14:19.00 | arkanes | or something |
| 14:19.02 | msoul | I burn my mana when the boss is nearly dead |
| 14:19.06 | Deveyus | Arcane is 1 button, you can't do it 'wrong' |
| 14:19.10 | msoul | how so? |
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| 14:19.31 | msoul | 3 actually but yeah AB, missiles and barrage to keep up your mana |
| 14:19.33 | arkanes | arcane is at least 3 buttons :P |
| 14:19.37 | msoul | yes 3 |
| 14:19.43 | msoul | and never had issues with ti |
| 14:19.47 | msoul | just fire |
| 14:19.50 | Deveyus | Because unless you're using the t10 bonus for missiles to get haste for reapplying stacks,or you're moving and barrage, then Arcane Blast over and over is the highest DPS |
| 14:20.12 | arkanes | spamming AB is something you can't maintain without lots of mana regen |
| 14:20.16 | msoul | yeah I do AB and nothing else when the boss is nearly dead |
| 14:20.29 | msoul | mage armor does help |
| 14:20.41 | msoul | and when you glyph it it gives you 20% more |
| 14:20.57 | msoul | regenerate 20% that is |
| 14:21.03 | arkanes | and you can vary your mana cost by how high you stack AB, but at pretty much any level fire should go through mana much slower than arcane |
| 14:21.22 | Deveyus | I'm not sure... my mage is an alt-alt-alt-alt-alt-alt-alt... that's 7 right? |
| 14:21.23 | arkanes | you have a reasonable level of crit? |
| 14:21.26 | mitch0 | that reminds me, my glyphs got totally messed up when patch hit. I got Glyph of dragon breath even though I never even had that spell... (let alone the glyph for it) |
| 14:21.46 | msoul | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:21.48 | msoul | check it |
| 14:21.55 | arkanes | mitch0: they tried to avoid removing glyphs and instead turned them into existing ones |
| 14:22.04 | arkanes | er, new ones |
| 14:22.17 | Deveyus | If you were asking me about Holy Paladins I'd be much more useful XD |
| 14:22.19 | mitch0 | how nice of them :) now I have a completely useless one :) |
| 14:22.33 | msoul | never liked holy nor retri that much :) |
| 14:22.37 | msoul | prot me likes |
| 14:22.41 | mitch0 | actually, too. I also seem to have some poly related one (make my sheep monkey instead or something similarly stupid) |
| 14:22.50 | mitch0 | s/too/two/ |
| 14:23.05 | msoul | mitch0: I bought turtle tome 120g and sold it over 600g yesterday :P |
| 14:23.39 | mitch0 | lol, loserz :) |
| 14:23.49 | Deveyus | I keep looking at your armor onj your profile going "are you just wearing your shield?" |
| 14:24.20 | msoul | who me? |
| 14:24.26 | Deveyus | Yeah XD |
| 14:24.43 | msoul | mages with shield, that would be funny |
| 14:24.45 | msoul | to see |
| 14:24.55 | Deveyus | Droods first. |
| 14:25.14 | Deveyus | I wanna be a bear with a shield. |
| 14:25.47 | msoul | dunno might lvl another char before cata |
| 14:25.49 | Deveyus | I know where I could put it too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEBZUXhSbOA |
| 14:25.54 | msoul | rogue or a shammy not sure yet |
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| 14:26.16 | Deveyus | Shammies are fun but they made Enhance... boring. |
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| 14:26.36 | Deveyus | Ele just destroys things, and resto is... it's like a druid with half thier stuff, that's what it feels like |
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| 14:26.57 | msoul | I'd go enhance if I get my shammy to hit 80 |
| 14:27.03 | unfo- | Deveyus, how do you compare shammy healing with druids? hots vs direct heals? |
| 14:27.07 | msoul | ele is fun for AB ;) |
| 14:27.23 | Deveyus | They have the same sort of healing pace enfo |
| 14:27.26 | Deveyus | unfo* |
| 14:27.29 | Hirsute | Who was arguing about logic and validity in here with me the other day? |
| 14:27.39 | unfo- | i've been leveling my shammy now with bg/lfg as resto and it's fun... altho after a few gankful bgs i switch to ele since i never get any protection :) |
| 14:27.44 | Hirsute | (All languages worth caring about are not worth caring about) |
| 14:28.11 | unfo- | Deveyus, ah yes. meat shield helps with the pace, sure :) |
| 14:28.36 | Wobin | msoul: I'm levelling a holy/retri pally |
| 14:28.41 | Wobin | and by god we're OP |
| 14:28.58 | Wobin | I outheal any other healer as a holy, and outdps any other dps as retri |
| 14:29.00 | Deveyus | I have and use all 4 healers, Paladins feel... disjointed, shamans feel...nukey and slow, druids feel anticipatory and priests are... well...Priests. |
| 14:29.01 | msoul | Wobin: prot pala is indeed op atm |
| 14:29.05 | msoul | have one |
| 14:29.13 | Wobin | granted, this is only level 50 |
| 14:29.16 | msoul | but dunno, leaning toward casters atm |
| 14:29.25 | Wobin | but so far, I've not been outdone |
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| 14:29.35 | Deveyus | Wobin: That changes in raids, AoE healing as a pala atm is PAINFUL |
| 14:29.41 | Wobin | hehe |
| 14:29.42 | Wobin | yeah =) |
| 14:29.56 | Wobin | I do like the chain effect in dungeons though |
| 14:29.59 | Maldivia | Deveyus: paladins are the absolute strongest aoe healers at the momemt :P |
| 14:30.02 | msoul | Wobin: drop the pala and get a mage :P |
| 14:30.05 | Deveyus | I wish they'd quit balancing the game for things we can't do yet. |
| 14:30.06 | Wobin | Heal a dps, it beacon heals the tank, which heals yourself |
| 14:30.06 | msoul | or lock |
| 14:30.27 | Deveyus | Pallies: Best 3v3 healers EVER now. |
| 14:30.35 | Wobin | instant heals are <3 |
| 14:30.49 | Maldivia | Deveyus: well, considering every heal heals 3 persons, yeah :) |
| 14:30.52 | Deveyus | Great mana effciency, instant MASSIVE heals, great spread with three people. |
| 14:31.28 | Deveyus | 12k Holy Shocks, 19k WoG, 3k LoD, 18k FoL |
| 14:31.36 | Wobin | The only time I've run out of mana, is when we chainpulled the first half of BRD |
| 14:31.57 | Wobin | and I've held out in ZF near ghazrilla for about 5min at 4% mana |
| 14:32.05 | Wobin | (with no tank) |
| 14:32.07 | unfo- | Deveyus, ditto all 4 my feeling: paladins are insanely efficient but boring since that efficiency is usually not needed (except raid bosses with loads of MT dmg); druids are happy-go-luck hothothothothothothot (the affli-warlock equivalent but happy instead of DOOM), priests (disc) is quite nice but under appreciated since people don't get how much shields do for them and thankfully disc got some smite love in 4.x, holy priest is the most complex of the lo |
| 14:32.23 | Wobin | haha, smitelove |
| 14:32.32 | Wobin | I'm working in that smite rotation on LK atm |
| 14:32.38 | Deveyus | I've tanked several heroics... as holy. |
| 14:32.43 | Kraps | i love disc |
| 14:32.45 | unfo- | Deveyus, :D |
| 14:32.48 | Wobin | disc is awesome |
| 14:32.55 | Wobin | we get really really cool wings |
| 14:32.57 | Deveyus | If we get a C/D reducer on Holy Wrath and a crit reducer, I'm gonna be a holy tank |
| 14:33.07 | unfo- | for 5mans imho disc > shammy > * |
| 14:33.10 | Deveyus | WTB defense gear back |
| 14:33.13 | unfo- | since disc actually heals with dmg |
| 14:33.29 | Deveyus | I pull 5-6k DPS on my pally as holy.. |
| 14:33.30 | arkanes | I holy tanked several times in 85 dungones |
| 14:33.32 | Deveyus | While healing.. |
| 14:33.35 | arkanes | not on purpose, of course.... |
| 14:33.36 | Maldivia | unfo-: holy pally exorcism spam :) |
| 14:33.39 | unfo- | Deveyus, so holy spec + prot gear? |
| 14:33.44 | Deveyus | Yes. |
| 14:33.50 | Deveyus | Could totally do it. |
| 14:33.52 | unfo- | shit man, i gotta try that |
| 14:33.54 | unfo- | :D |
| 14:33.55 | arkanes | tank died, but I could keep myself up because my self healing > healing other |
| 14:33.56 | Wobin | word of glory =P |
| 14:34.02 | unfo- | Deveyus, link your char, please? |
| 14:34.15 | arkanes | it's not something you want to do as a matter of course, your threat is pathetic |
| 14:34.22 | Wobin | WoG is so awesome |
| 14:34.28 | Deveyus | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Sargeras&cn=Saisi |
| 14:34.49 | arkanes | and poi is getting nerfed anyway |
| 14:34.50 | Maldivia | go sargeras :P |
| 14:34.50 | Deveyus | My ring and neck suck... can't find beeter. |
| 14:35.03 | Wobin | I've saved a great number of bad pulls with a well timed 3 holy power WoG as a retri |
| 14:35.23 | Deveyus | Selfless Healer is nice. |
| 14:35.30 | Wobin | haven't reached that yet =) |
| 14:35.32 | Wobin | soon! |
| 14:35.41 | msoul | Deveyus: I did lots of bgs to get my wep and offhand |
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| 14:35.46 | Wobin | I'm in the 'terrible choice for points' section of the tree atm |
| 14:35.54 | msoul | in one day from 0 to 18xx something honor points |
| 14:35.59 | Deveyus | Oh, and I've got my trinket on cause I was pvp'ing earlier. |
| 14:36.02 | Wobin | not too many options cater to spells I have yet |
| 14:36.15 | unfo- | msoul, one day?! |
| 14:36.18 | msoul | Deveyus: try get the pvp trinket |
| 14:36.22 | unfo- | msoul, christ... how many hours of butthurt was that?-D |
| 14:36.25 | msoul | unfo-: yeah |
| 14:36.40 | Wobin | CtA, probably =P |
| 14:36.40 | msoul | unfo-: check when did I hit lvl 80 and got what I got now :) |
| 14:36.54 | msoul | unfo-: I lvl professions in few hours too |
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| 14:37.00 | msoul | can I say its "hardcore" :) |
| 14:37.02 | unfo- | msoul, o___O mad mad |
| 14:37.10 | Deveyus | I need to level engineering by I CBA |
| 14:37.15 | Wobin | yeah |
| 14:37.19 | Maldivia | Deveyus: how long have you been on Sargeras? |
| 14:37.26 | Hirsute | Cide, Mirrormn: Thought you might enjoy today's xkcd after our discussion of logic a few days ago -> http://xkcd.com/816/ |
| 14:37.27 | msoul | Deveyus: once you maxed it pls get jeeves |
| 14:37.28 | Deveyus | Uh.... 3 years? |
| 14:37.30 | Deveyus | At least? |
| 14:37.46 | Maldivia | ok , was just curious :) |
| 14:37.52 | Deveyus | Why so? |
| 14:37.52 | Hirsute | (particularly the mouseover text) |
| 14:38.02 | msoul | engi the most poerful profession for casters in cata |
| 14:38.05 | msoul | yayks! |
| 14:38.13 | msoul | I just want to max insc on mage as well to drop herb |
| 14:38.18 | msoul | and alchemy on my dk :/( |
| 14:38.42 | Maldivia | Deveyus: well, to be honest, not too familiar with sargeras horde anymore :) |
| 14:38.50 | Flowyk | how to create table return it and collect garbage after this? |
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| 14:39.05 | arkanes | herbalism is pretty good now |
| 14:39.10 | Deveyus | Oh, so you're one of the people I kill? |
| 14:39.19 | msoul | arkanes for haste sure |
| 14:39.19 | Deveyus | Herbalism is HORRIBLE now, they nerfed my belvoed Lifeblood? |
| 14:39.30 | arkanes | no they didn't |
| 14:39.31 | msoul | but if you want to get the best 2 combo :-) |
| 14:39.35 | Deveyus | My 4k heal is 800 now :( |
| 14:39.42 | msoul | i.e. melee prefer to have BS/JC |
| 14:39.51 | arkanes | 4k hot was lame anyway |
| 14:39.57 | Deveyus | No it wasn't! |
| 14:40.00 | Hirsute | Flowyk: local function example() local t = {1,2,3,4,5} return t end |
| 14:40.03 | Deveyus | I picked Herblism for that very reason |
| 14:40.03 | Maldivia | Deveyus: well, haven't done much world pvp since BGs were introduced :P |
| 14:40.11 | msoul | Deveyus: for haste? |
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| 14:40.22 | Deveyus | Would rather have the healing |
| 14:40.22 | haste | for me! |
| 14:40.30 | arkanes | not sure why engineering would be good for casters? |
| 14:40.31 | msoul | oh isee |
| 14:40.36 | Flowyk | Hirsute and where is collect garbage? |
| 14:40.38 | msoul | 400 int on gloves |
| 14:40.41 | msoul | isn't good enough for you |
| 14:40.50 | msoul | on 1min cd? |
| 14:40.53 | Deveyus | You know what 4k for a prot warrior in arenas DOES? |
| 14:40.57 | arkanes | not really, no |
| 14:40.59 | Hirsute | Flowyk: The garbage collector is automatic in Wow/lua |
| 14:41.05 | Deveyus | Saved me sooo many times. |
| 14:41.07 | msoul | heh |
| 14:41.20 | arkanes | I mean sure, it's good, but it's not any better than anything else |
| 14:41.37 | msoul | it's the "best" for casters in cata |
| 14:41.52 | Deveyus | I'll prolly make my warr a engi now too, boots for to catch those blinking mages |
| 14:41.55 | Deveyus | btw, blink is OP |
| 14:42.03 | Deveyus | I want a trinket with a 15s CD and a speed boost |
| 14:42.16 | msoul | Deveyus: you will with that heroic leap |
| 14:42.16 | Maldivia | Hirsute/Flowyk: also, in the example function given, there's nothing to garbage collect :) |
| 14:42.35 | arkanes | msoul: if you normalize it over the uptime, it's 96 int |
| 14:42.43 | Flowyk | can I hook when the player shows interface options? |
| 14:42.57 | Hirsute | Maldivia: Does that table not get garbage collected after the function has run? |
| 14:42.59 | msoul | arkanes: btw 480 int for 12 secs on a 1 min cd |
| 14:43.04 | msoul | yes |
| 14:43.05 | arkanes | msoul: thats 16 more int than any other profession has, assuming that it's reasonable to normalize it that way which a) isn't for healers and b) isn't in all situations |
| 14:43.30 | Maldivia | Hirsute: no, you return it to the caller, so can't be garbage collected, unless the caller doesn't use it |
| 14:43.31 | arkanes | the reason why the haste was so good was because it was a large amount, and it wasn't something that you could get anywhere else |
| 14:43.55 | arkanes | but for casters, the int isn't inarguably better, and even if it is better, it's not a huge amount |
| 14:44.26 | Hirsute | Hrmmmm. |
| 14:44.43 | msoul | you know the primary stat for locks/mages is int right? |
| 14:44.48 | Maldivia | Hirsute: if I do local t = example() <-- how can I garbage collect the table, since t references it? |
| 14:45.00 | msoul | once you cap hit ofc |
| 14:45.14 | arkanes | Maldivia: you can't explicitly garbage collect anything |
| 14:45.24 | Maldivia | arkanes: yeah yeah, that's beside the point right now :) |
| 14:45.30 | arkanes | no? |
| 14:45.35 | arkanes | it's exactly what you just asked |
| 14:45.55 | Maldivia | arkanes: it was a retorical question |
| 14:46.29 | unfo- | if you say t = nil/null (which is it in lua?) then the return value is no longer referenced? |
| 14:46.55 | arkanes | msoul: what I'm saying is that the int on a cooldown isn't inarguably better than the static int you can get from another profession |
| 14:46.58 | Maldivia | true, and the table would most likely be garbage collected the next time the GC runs, unless there are other references to it |
| 14:47.22 | Maldivia | (and it's nil) |
| 14:48.13 | arkanes | if a fight lasts more than 2 minutes and ends 47 seconds into your glove cooldown, you'd have been better off with the static int |
| 14:48.14 | Hirsute | My understanding was that once the, for lack of better terms, scoping of the original table no longer exists that the references to it are no longer references to it, but references to their own tables now, and that all things local to that scope will be GCd next time it runs. |
| 14:48.42 | msoul | arkanes: 480 int for 12 secs on a 1 min cd is great... the boss fights aren't going down within 1-4 minutes you'd have atleast 3 times to use it |
| 14:48.53 | Maldivia | Hirsute: but the table is not out of scope, since you did "return t" |
| 14:49.01 | arkanes | msoul: I'm not denying that it's good |
| 14:49.29 | arkanes | msoul: and it's not hard to create situations where it'd be the best thing to have, but it's not inarguably the best choice for every caster |
| 14:49.46 | Maldivia | Hirsute: remember that tables are passed by reference |
| 14:50.08 | Hirsute | Maldivia: once that function completes, the table that was referenced by t can no longer be directly accessed by t, correct? |
| 14:50.19 | arkanes | Hirsute: incorrect |
| 14:50.26 | arkanes | "t" is just a name, it's not the table itself |
| 14:50.39 | Hirsute | rather by the user using "t" |
| 14:50.45 | msoul | arkanes: most ppl I jnow "inc me" have 2 good professions for the class we play :) |
| 14:50.47 | arkanes | the table itself gets rebound to another name by the caller, and thus is not garbage |
| 14:51.11 | msoul | or lets say what would I get if I pick bs over jc and combine it with engi/enchanting etc |
| 14:51.13 | Hirsute | What happens to the reference to the table that was local to the function? |
| 14:51.32 | arkanes | Hirsute: nothing |
| 14:51.35 | msoul | I wouldn't have engi and mining on a char |
| 14:51.47 | arkanes | Hirsute: "t" was a local name, it was on the stack and it vanishes into the ether when the function returns |
| 14:51.57 | Maldivia | Hirsute: the reference wasn't local to the function, since you introduced it to the "outside world" by returning that reference |
| 14:52.03 | arkanes | its not really a reference in the formal sense, because it has no value of its own |
| 14:52.08 | arkanes | the reference is local |
| 14:52.13 | arkanes | the table is not the reference though |
| 14:52.49 | Hirsute | arkanes: nod, and what is this "vanishing into the ether" called, technically? That reference had to take some (no matter how small) amount of resources. |
| 14:53.07 | arkanes | Hirsute: it depends on how lua implements its stack, which I'm not familiar with |
| 14:53.50 | arkanes | it's not important for understanding how it works |
| 14:53.55 | Hirsute | because what I under stood was the reference to the table gets garbage collected |
| 14:53.57 | arkanes | names aren't objects |
| 14:53.59 | arkanes | no |
| 14:54.10 | arkanes | references aren't garbage collected |
| 14:54.37 | arkanes | lua, the language, doesn't have references in the classical sense of the word |
| 14:55.06 | Arrowmaster | references can be garbage collected if you are using weak tables |
| 14:55.30 | Hirsute | Okay, well, Flowyk, here's a better example then, I think: local function foo() local t = {1,2,3,4,5} local f = table.concat(t,",") return f end |
| 14:55.35 | Napoleone | hmm |
| 14:55.44 | Hirsute | At least in that case, I'm fairly certain t will get garbage collected, yes? |
| 14:55.51 | Hirsute | Or, rather, the table referenced by t |
| 14:55.51 | Maldivia | Hirsute: Hirsute in that example, the table would be garbage collected in the next pass |
| 14:55.58 | arkanes | Hirsute: only if its actually garbage |
| 14:56.02 | Napoleone | if i want to animate a texture.. like blizz have with eclipse proc. |
| 14:56.10 | arkanes | Hirsute: if the caller stored the table, then it wouldn't be garbage. |
| 14:56.17 | Napoleone | any way i can do that myself also? |
| 14:56.25 | Maldivia | arkanes: it can't store it, it can't access it |
| 14:56.33 | Hirsute | arkanes: How is the caller going to store that table when it isn't returned and the only reference to it is local to the function? |
| 14:56.44 | arkanes | sorry I must have missed a line |
| 14:56.59 | arkanes | locals that aren't returned obviously don't escape the function, yes |
| 14:57.44 | Hirsute | *nod* In my second example, a table was created with local reference t within the function, the function returned a string that was the result of table.concat on that table. |
| 14:59.52 | farmbuyer | What's the example trying to show again? I missed the early part of the discussion. |
| 15:00.10 | Kraps | all my frozen orbs sold :p |
| 15:00.23 | Hirsute | farmbuyer: A table being created then garbage collected |
| 15:00.32 | Maldivia | Kraps: for how much each ? |
| 15:00.47 | farmbuyer | "function() local t = {} end" |
| 15:00.48 | farmbuyer | :-p |
| 15:01.04 | Fisker | YES JNWHITEH |
| 15:01.06 | Kraps | about 19g |
| 15:01.06 | Fisker | I CAME |
| 15:01.08 | Fisker | (No homo) |
| 15:01.23 | Maldivia | Kraps: I want to sell on your server then :/ |
| 15:01.30 | Kraps | lol |
| 15:01.33 | Maldivia | Kraps: going price here is about 6g |
| 15:02.04 | Xinhuan | its pretty simple really |
| 15:02.13 | arkanes | it's silly that they would ever be sold for less than an eternal |
| 15:02.31 | msoul | gotta love alliance with tanacity |
| 15:02.41 | msoul | 1 spriest on 6 none got him |
| 15:02.59 | Maldivia | ok, cheapest on the AH right now is 11g, but it's also Monday |
| 15:03.07 | arkanes | at yet they do |
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| 15:03.22 | arkanes | right now orbs are listing at about 18 and eternal fires at 23 |
| 15:03.26 | arkanes | it's craziness :\ |
| 15:03.46 | msoul | get on my realm and see the madness |
| 15:03.51 | Xinhuan | every object in memory is either "reachable" or "unreachable", reachable being a variable, closure or otherwise has a pointer to it |
| 15:03.51 | farmbuyer | yeah, wait until the Stormwind markets close, then there'll a short buying rush. |
| 15:03.58 | Xinhuan | so when garbage collection occurs |
| 15:03.58 | msoul | ring of the sinew still at 5k |
| 15:04.02 | Fisker | :( jnwhiteh |
| 15:04.05 | Maldivia | arkanes: eternal fire is 10.50g on my server :) |
| 15:04.12 | Xinhuan | all it is really doing is sweeping thru all of memory to determine which objects are reachable |
| 15:04.16 | msoul | I think 23g on mine |
| 15:04.19 | Xinhuan | and then it deletes the remainder |
| 15:04.22 | msoul | the last time I checked |
| 15:04.42 | msoul | only thing that did hit the gound is frost lutos |
| 15:04.50 | msoul | 1g |
| 15:04.59 | msoul | used to be over 100g |
| 15:05.29 | Maldivia | 3g here :) |
| 15:05.54 | Maldivia | (online AH is nice) |
| 15:06.14 | msoul | me doing wg and chatting :D |
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| 15:09.40 | Angayelle | hai again |
| 15:10.14 | Kraps | hey |
| 15:10.35 | farmbuyer | only in Wow can I slaughter 8 men and women and get the message "you feel normal." |
| 15:11.00 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: ? |
| 15:11.24 | Fisker | gingerbread in a couple of days apparently :o |
| 15:11.36 | unfo- | farmbuyer, lol |
| 15:11.39 | Fisker | http://www.engadget.com/2010/11/08/open-handset-alliance-member-confirms-android-2-3-is-gingerbread/ |
| 15:11.48 | Flowyk | lua> local foo; function foo() return true; end; foo() |
| 15:11.48 | lua_bot | Flowyk: No output |
| 15:12.46 | Fisker | Ackis |
| 15:12.48 | Fisker | hackers gonna hack |
| 15:13.57 | Angayelle | for getting arg from CHAT_MSG_ADDON i thought i could use : local jtfaddon, jtftext, jtfchat, jtfsender = select(1,4) but it doesn't seem to work, it should behave like Combat-Log_event, right ? |
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| 15:14.24 | Arrowmaster | "select(1,4)" is wrong |
| 15:14.27 | farmbuyer | "select(1,4)" just returns 4 |
| 15:14.33 | farmbuyer | that's not going to help you :-p |
| 15:14.38 | Angayelle | select1,...) then |
| 15:14.45 | Maldivia | Angayelle: if you have ..., then simply: local jtfaddon, jtftext, jtfchat, jtfsender = ...; |
| 15:15.08 | Angayelle | select(1,...) rather |
| 15:15.19 | Maldivia | select(1, ...) is the same as just ... |
| 15:15.31 | Angayelle | ahh k thanks maldivia |
| 15:16.07 | Flowyk | (...) |
| 15:17.16 | zenzio | go Geordie! http://www.neatorama.com/2010/11/07/geordi-laforge-offers-to-help-nasa/ |
| 15:17.24 | zenzio | -e |
| 15:17.39 | Fisker | lets harm zenzio |
| 15:19.30 | Flowyk | can I unhook script on widget? |
| 15:20.17 | Cide | yes you can |
| 15:20.28 | Flowyk | how |
| 15:20.41 | Cide | go figure it out |
| 15:21.09 | farmbuyer | Flowyk: http://www.wowpedia.org/Widget_API |
| 15:21.23 | Flowyk | farmbuyer there is just about hook |
| 15:21.32 | Cide | nope |
| 15:22.15 | farmbuyer | keep looking |
| 15:22.37 | Flowyk | when I hook nil it will unhook just my addon or every hook? |
| 15:22.51 | Cide | keep reading |
| 15:23.02 | Fisker | hey Cide you are Cide |
| 15:23.15 | Cide | yep |
| 15:23.35 | TC-Work | anyone here ever worked with x-lite and trixbox? |
| 15:24.27 | Fisker | yeah TC-Work |
| 15:24.28 | Fisker | you did |
| 15:24.47 | TC-Work | s/here/here other than me/ |
| 15:25.06 | Maldivia | heh |
| 15:25.06 | Shirik | hi Cide |
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| 15:25.43 | Napoleone | any ideas for animations of textures? |
| 15:26.31 | Flowyk | use animation? |
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| 15:27.10 | jnwhiteh | indeed, or look at the ShowMeTheMoney tutorial example |
| 15:27.15 | jnwhiteh | if you need frame based animation. |
| 15:27.15 | farmbuyer | Napoleone: like, the SetupAnimation routine from the framexml implementation, or something else? |
| 15:28.55 | Flowyk | how to get the order to load Ace libs? |
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| 15:29.48 | Arrowmaster | look in the Ace3.toc and use that order |
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| 15:32.46 | Shirik | Cide is mean :( |
| 15:34.41 | Napoleone | hmm |
| 15:34.52 | Napoleone | more like an animated texture.. like eclipse animation |
| 15:35.42 | Maldivia | look in the eclipsebar code then? |
| 15:37.17 | Napoleone | <Animations><AnimationGroup |
| 15:37.30 | Cide | hi Shirik |
| 15:37.41 | Cide | I was afk |
| 15:38.13 | Shirik | I swear to god I teach some of the stupidest people |
| 15:38.23 | Shirik | I'm sitting here next to someone trying to tell him how to use the command prompt |
| 15:38.33 | Shirik | I tell him to put a quote mark and he puts a ( |
| 15:38.48 | Shirik | like if you can't get that I don't know how I'm supposed to tell you how to develop software |
| 15:38.58 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 15:39.03 | Lulia | Man, sometimes sleep does help :) |
| 15:39.11 | Lulia | Totally found that bug first try this morning |
| 15:39.25 | Shirik | Lulia: Only liquor helps |
| 15:39.26 | Lulia | Well, granted, I tried a million times last night. |
| 15:39.31 | Lulia | :P |
| 15:39.45 | Lulia | If only Liquor wasn't disgusting ;) |
| 15:40.48 | Fisker | oh ok Shirik |
| 15:41.53 | Shirik | tried soco? |
| 15:41.58 | Shirik | soco is not disgusting |
| 15:42.15 | Napoleone | Shirik lolz |
| 15:42.22 | Napoleone | i wanna be in that class ;P |
| 15:44.38 | Kraps | cool, atonement shows up on recount heals |
| 15:45.45 | Cide | I only drink liquor |
| 15:45.47 | Fisker | so Shirik |
| 15:45.49 | Cide | true story |
| 15:45.51 | Fisker | should i get a kinect? |
| 15:48.14 | Cide | NO |
| 15:48.28 | Arrowmaster | only if you want to play dance central naked |
| 15:48.46 | Fisker | no Arrowmaster |
| 15:49.09 | Arrowmaster | http://www.dancecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?118-How-Do-I-DELETE-the-Picutres-Taken-During-Dance |
| 15:49.11 | Fisker | xbox sucks |
| 15:51.26 | Fisker | get it Arrowmaster ? |
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| 15:54.14 | Fisker | imposter Arrowmaster |
| 15:54.51 | Kraps | whoa you can rearrange the order of the stat panes in the character window |
| 15:55.08 | Fisker | old |
| 15:55.12 | Kraps | brilliant |
| 15:55.22 | Fisker | that was probably the first thing i discovered after pressing c |
| 15:56.50 | Alram | what are stats pls |
| 15:57.53 | Kraps | Alram: you are |
| 15:57.59 | Alram | ok |
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| 16:00.11 | Napoleone | hmm |
| 16:00.54 | Napoleone | i get CreateAnimation("Rotation") a nil value. |
| 16:01.01 | Napoleone | n the method |
| 16:01.05 | jnwhiteh | O.o |
| 16:01.12 | jnwhiteh | do you want to try rephrasing that sentence? -=) |
| 16:01.15 | jnwhiteh | or posting the rror |
| 16:01.33 | Napoleone | pp_player_eclpow:CreateAnimation("Rotation") |
| 16:01.36 | Napoleone | gets an error |
| 16:01.47 | Napoleone | wowlua wont let me copy the error |
| 16:02.07 | Kraps | smite spam gives about 1.6k dps |
| 16:02.12 | jnwhiteh | what is pp_player_eclpow |
| 16:02.17 | durcyn | did you write your own CreateAnimation wrapper function in that table, or do you need to go read PiL |
| 16:02.17 | Kraps | as disc |
| 16:02.35 | Napoleone | thats the Frame witch applied a texture to. |
| 16:03.07 | jnwhiteh | well it would help if you could give us the error message |
| 16:03.16 | jnwhiteh | screenshot, re-type, run it in chat, whatever |
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| 16:03.25 | jnwhiteh | otherwise we're answering an unidentified question |
| 16:03.28 | Napoleone | attempt to call method ... a nil value |
| 16:03.50 | jnwhiteh | then I suspect pp_player_eclpow isn't a frame |
| 16:03.55 | jnwhiteh | or we're getting bad information :P |
| 16:04.04 | jnwhiteh | actually, |
| 16:04.08 | jnwhiteh | !api CreateAnimation |
| 16:04.08 | lua_bot | Found 2 possible results for 'CreateAnimation': Region:CreateAnimationGroup, AnimationGroup:CreateAnimation |
| 16:04.18 | jnwhiteh | you can't call Frame:CreateAnimation() |
| 16:04.21 | jnwhiteh | as the API indicates :P |
| 16:04.29 | Napoleone | pp_player_eclpow = CreateFrame("Frame", "pp_player_eclpow", UIParent) |
| 16:04.29 | jnwhiteh | you can only call CreatAnimation on an AnimationGroup |
| 16:04.32 | jnwhiteh | yes |
| 16:04.33 | jnwhiteh | that's your problem |
| 16:04.45 | jnwhiteh | there's no {Region,Frame}:CreateAnimation() function. |
| 16:04.56 | jnwhiteh | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets_hierarchy |
| 16:04.58 | Napoleone | aaah |
| 16:05.27 | Napoleone | that hieracky says the animation is on the parent |
| 16:05.34 | jnwhiteh | no, it doesn't. |
| 16:05.48 | Napoleone | arrow from parent to animation.. |
| 16:05.56 | jnwhiteh | no, from ParentedObject to Animation |
| 16:05.57 | Napoleone | not from anim group to animation |
| 16:06.00 | jnwhiteh | don't look at it. |
| 16:06.09 | jnwhiteh | you wont' be able to make any sense of it |
| 16:06.13 | Napoleone | hehe |
| 16:06.13 | jnwhiteh | I thought you were more familiar with the API |
| 16:06.19 | jnwhiteh | clearly I was mistaken =) |
| 16:06.25 | jnwhiteh | Creating an animation |
| 16:06.29 | jnwhiteh | 1. Create an animation group |
| 16:06.34 | jnwhiteh | 2. Use the animation group to create animations |
| 16:06.38 | jnwhiteh | 3. ??? |
| 16:06.42 | jnwhiteh | 4. Profit! |
| 16:06.49 | Napoleone | ;P |
| 16:08.08 | Maldivia | jnwhiteh: you need to make a creation hierarchy as well it seems :) |
| 16:08.16 | jnwhiteh | nope, cba :P |
| 16:09.02 | Maldivia | hehe |
| 16:09.58 | industrial | what rockmelt ... you want to put things on my facebook wall? why would I let any application do that? |
| 16:10.09 | Maldivia | hmm, shouldn't really be that bad, aren't there only two top level creators, CreateFrame and CreateFont? |
| 16:10.26 | jnwhiteh | yeah, its just not useful =) |
| 16:10.38 | jnwhiteh | if people can't figure out how to create an animation this isn't going to really help them :P |
| 16:10.43 | Maldivia | true :) |
| 16:11.01 | jnwhiteh | so I won't bother. |
| 16:12.03 | Napoleone | jnwhiteh please make that ;) |
| 16:12.08 | jnwhiteh | no? |
| 16:12.08 | Napoleone | would make sense for me ;) |
| 16:12.16 | jnwhiteh | CreateFrame gets you a frame |
| 16:12.27 | Napoleone | not that |
| 16:12.27 | jnwhiteh | frame:CreateTexture(); frame:CreateFontString(); frame:CreateAnimationGroup() |
| 16:12.32 | Napoleone | <Maldivia> jnwhiteh: you need to make a creation hierarchy as well it seems :) |
| 16:12.34 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 16:12.39 | jnwhiteh | its not a hierachy |
| 16:12.41 | jnwhiteh | there are like 5 methods |
| 16:12.43 | jnwhiteh | learn them |
| 16:13.06 | jnwhiteh | CreateTexture, CreateFontString, CreateAnimationGroup, CreateAnimation |
| 16:13.30 | Maldivia | jnwhiteh: you could annotate the widget hierarchy with its creators, so under Frame, it read CreateFrame, under AnimationGroup Frame:CreateAnimationGroup etc? |
| 16:13.53 | jnwhiteh | I think its really clear as it is |
| 16:14.01 | jnwhiteh | he knew he needed to call the CreateAnimation method |
| 16:14.04 | jnwhiteh | he just didn't read the documentation |
| 16:14.07 | jnwhiteh | _NOTHING_ is going to help that |
| 16:14.16 | mikma | lol documents lol |
| 16:14.31 | Lulia | pfft, who reads! |
| 16:14.32 | jnwhiteh | it's 100% clear from the API, and from the irc bot that its AnimationGroup:CreateAnimation() |
| 16:14.41 | Lulia | ;) |
| 16:14.44 | jnwhiteh | I have limited time, and this would be a waste of it, end of :P |
| 16:14.55 | Maldivia | :) |
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| 16:15.20 | mikma | http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.44525 |
| 16:15.24 | mikma | i bought that one |
| 16:15.32 | mikma | now i am waiting for it to arrive :D |
| 16:15.51 | mikma | ~59e |
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| 16:16.32 | mikma | hi tom! |
| 16:16.40 | Arrowmaster | mikma: no mkv support? |
| 16:17.06 | mikma | arrowmaster: it has, actually |
| 16:17.54 | mikma | arrowmaster: http://www.pcdistrict.com/kaiboer-m1073-prod137161.html -> VOB,AVI, ASF, WMV, (MKV) |
| 16:18.04 | Arrowmaster | ah |
| 16:18.29 | Arrowmaster | wonder if it will be like the wd live and crap out on any mkv's with header compression enabled |
| 16:18.50 | mikma | i'll let you know if it happens to me |
| 16:25.06 | Napoleone | hmm |
| 16:25.42 | cog|work | so... this minecraft thing is pretty neat </LateToParty> |
| 16:26.16 | zenzelezz | what people don't realise is that Minecraft is actually Blizzard's secret MMO |
| 16:26.29 | cog|work | ThirdLife? |
| 16:27.25 | jnwhiteh | cog|work: yeah its enjoyable :P |
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| 16:37.20 | industrial | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/72374a43a450cc6303efa209b1f6c47f.PNG |
| 16:37.31 | industrial | My new colorscheme for vim, watcha think? |
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| 16:39.08 | jnwhiteh | not bad |
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| 16:40.01 | Maldivia | industrial: no color for symbols? |
| 16:40.20 | industrial | Maldivia: such as? |
| 16:40.38 | industrial | oh, var names? |
| 16:40.40 | Maldivia | < > ( ) ; : . etc |
| 16:41.20 | Maldivia | personally, always found colors for symbols really nice |
| 16:42.28 | Maldivia | (but then again, when people see my color coding, they tend to run away screaming) |
| 16:46.28 | Lulia | Hmm, nil only removes table entries, yes? How do I remove a saved variable that I no longer want? |
| 16:46.52 | industrial | arent saved variables tables? :) |
| 16:46.54 | nevcairiel | set it to nil |
| 16:47.01 | Lulia | oh, nm, it did work |
| 16:47.03 | Lulia | That was odd |
| 16:47.09 | Lulia | when I did a /reload the setting it to nil didnt remove it |
| 16:47.15 | Lulia | But when I logged out, it was removed |
| 16:47.52 | Lulia | And yes, industrial, I realized that after I asked my question, which only makes the behavior even more odd. |
| 16:48.39 | Lulia | But eh, it's deleted now, so |
| 16:48.40 | Lulia | :P |
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| 16:51.35 | Lunessa | station! |
| 16:51.51 | Lulia | hi |
| 16:52.21 | airtonix | DUDE |
| 16:52.35 | airtonix | damn these stolen capslocks are piling up |
| 16:55.22 | jnwhiteh | Mikk: Sorry I missed the AddonLoader comments.. I can't seem to figure out HOW to get the comments emailed to me.. I can't find the subscription button =/ |
| 16:55.49 | Mikk | jnwhiteh: I assume you're talking about WoWPedia now? |
| 16:55.58 | jnwhiteh | no, curse |
| 16:56.00 | jnwhiteh | sorry =) |
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| 16:56.04 | jnwhiteh | or wait. |
| 16:56.06 | jnwhiteh | you just respondeed |
| 16:56.08 | jnwhiteh | and I got an email |
| 16:56.16 | jnwhiteh | I wonder why I haven't received hte other 15 that you've responded to |
| 16:56.18 | jnwhiteh | curses curse! |
| 16:56.30 | nevcairiel | its already cursed, better try to decurse it |
| 16:56.50 | Kalroth | forward them to me, i'll respond!! |
| 16:56.50 | Mikk | that's a protected function though with a convoluted api |
| 16:56.50 | nevcairiel | but you'll just curse |
| 16:57.17 | Lulia | So. I noticed something interesting regarding UNIT_POWER. On my Warrior I have a status bar which shows their rage. However, when I compare it to Pitbull (which I assume is accurate) I find that as the power decays, my power bar is always 1 or 2 power behind Pitbull and when it finishes I'm left with 1 or 2 power left in the rage bar when I should have none. So, I looked at how Pitbull did it. |
| 16:57.30 | Lulia | I noticed that Pitbull used an OnUpdate function instead. |
| 16:57.57 | Mikk | Aye those events fire lazily |
| 16:57.59 | nevcairiel | There is a cvar that you can turn on, which in turn makes power update faster if you poll it |
| 16:58.02 | Lulia | Ah |
| 16:58.11 | Mikk | Which is good for cpu |
| 16:58.14 | Mikk | and bad for real-time updating |
| 16:58.19 | Mikk | choose your poison =) |
| 16:58.22 | Lulia | From the description of UNIT_POWER one would feel that it would fire whenever it changed, and would thus be more than sufficient. |
| 16:58.34 | Lulia | Well, I can't have it saying I have rage that I don't have ;) |
| 16:58.38 | nevcairiel | its throttled to like 0.3 seconds |
| 16:58.59 | jnwhiteh | it should still be CORRECt |
| 16:59.01 | jnwhiteh | just slightly delayed |
| 16:59.04 | jnwhiteh | if its not, its your code =) |
| 16:59.10 | Lulia | So it definitely needs to be more accurate. However, I'm always afraid of using OnUpdate, feeling like my AddOn's CPU use will shoot through the roof. |
| 16:59.30 | Mikk | You're very right that you shouldn't use OnUpdate needlessly |
| 16:59.32 | jnwhiteh | i.e. accuracy isn't an issue |
| 16:59.33 | jnwhiteh | TIMING is |
| 16:59.48 | Lulia | Hmm, that could be, jnwhiteh, but all my code does is grab the current Power whenever a UNIT_POWER event fires |
| 16:59.55 | Mikk | But yeah like jnwhiteh is saying it should still be correct, just ever-so-slightly delayed |
| 16:59.56 | Napoleone | am i wrong in assuming.. rgb wheel says 1,1,0 = yellow |
| 17:00.04 | Napoleone | why does that turn green in wow? |
| 17:00.04 | Lulia | So why would it be stuck at 1 or 2 when it's 0? |
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| 17:00.06 | jnwhiteh | "and when it finishes I'm left with 1 or 2 power left in the rage bar when I should have none. So, I looked at how Pitbull did it." |
| 17:00.16 | jnwhiteh | Lulia: that indicates quite clearly that something is 'wrong' |
| 17:00.17 | Napoleone | nvm |
| 17:00.41 | jnwhiteh | if when you have 0 rage, your status bar shows that you have more than 0, then your code is not correct in some way :P |
| 17:00.57 | Lulia | But I grab it directly from UnitPower() |
| 17:01.02 | Lulia | That's what makes this not make sense. |
| 17:01.03 | Napoleone | lulia hey |
| 17:01.17 | Napoleone | mine is 0 on my unitframe 2 sec |
| 17:01.28 | Mikk | Lulia: put a print() in the UNIT_POWER event showing what the return is |
| 17:01.34 | Mikk | betcha your code is busted somehow else |
| 17:01.49 | Mikk | and UnitPower("player") is returning 0 like it should |
| 17:02.03 | Lulia | adding the print |
| 17:02.08 | jnwhiteh | pt = CreateFrame("Frame"); pt:RegisterEvent("UNIT_POWER"); pt:SetScript("OnEvent", function(self, event, unit) if unit == "player" then print("My power is: " .. tostring(UnitPower("player"))) end end) |
| 17:02.10 | Napoleone | pp_player_energy:SetText(UnitPower("player").."/"..UnitPowerMax("player")) |
| 17:02.24 | Napoleone | in my onupdate. |
| 17:03.07 | Lulia | The last time UNIT_POWER fires, it returns 2 |
| 17:03.45 | jnwhiteh | logging on my warrior. |
| 17:04.01 | Lulia | It returned: 20, 20, 20, 19, 17, 14, 12, 9, 7, 4, 2 |
| 17:04.03 | Lulia | And then stopped |
| 17:04.17 | Napoleone | why i use it in onupdates |
| 17:05.04 | Lulia | Right, but I'm trying to figure out why it's doing this. Knowing myl evel of skill with scripting, I would also believe it's an error on my part, were it not for the fact that I grab the values directly from every UNIT_POWER firing. Hmm |
| 17:05.39 | Fisker | i'm optimus prime |
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| 17:06.02 | jnwhiteh | Lulia: I can't reproduce this |
| 17:06.05 | Mikk | 8, 5, 3, 0 |
| 17:06.05 | jnwhiteh | I ran the script I posted above |
| 17:06.08 | Mikk | same |
| 17:06.08 | jnwhiteh | cast battle shout |
| 17:06.10 | TC-Work | someone make a program that suppresses all focus requests! |
| 17:06.10 | jnwhiteh | it goes to 0 |
| 17:06.11 | jnwhiteh | every time. |
| 17:06.12 | Mikk | same |
| 17:06.35 | Mikk | actually it gave me two 0s |
| 17:06.42 | Mikk | 2 seconds apart |
| 17:07.00 | Lulia | Yeah, I casted battle shout. Hmm |
| 17:08.08 | jnwhiteh | Oh God, Blood and Thunder is awesome. |
| 17:08.10 | jnwhiteh | but so is Incite! |
| 17:08.20 | farmbuyer | looking at sUF's power.lua, I don't see anything other than careful UNIT_POWER wrappers, and I know it's working.. |
| 17:08.28 | Lulia | Let me see if UNIT_POWER is firing but I'm not catching it |
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| 17:08.48 | jnwhiteh | Quick I need a 12 point Prot build: http://www.wowhead.com/talent#L |
| 17:08.50 | Lulia | I like Blood and Thunder while leveling my tank |
| 17:09.04 | TC-Work | quick? |
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| 17:09.10 | TC-Work | shakes his head at jnwhiteh |
| 17:09.17 | Napoleone | hehe |
| 17:09.18 | jnwhiteh | well you can take some time |
| 17:09.20 | farmbuyer | . o O (every time MAX_POWER fires, I look for a homer simpson quote) |
| 17:09.21 | jnwhiteh | but I WANTS IT |
| 17:09.30 | Lulia | http://www.wowhead.com/talent#LZZcfb0zo |
| 17:09.34 | Mikk | blood and thunder is teh sex |
| 17:09.47 | Mikk | level 55 prot warriors running around doing upwards of 1000 dps |
| 17:09.51 | Mikk | while dpsers are doing a few hundred |
| 17:10.08 | Lulia | My Warrior is 43 currently |
| 17:10.11 | Fisker | i like you Mikk |
| 17:10.12 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 17:10.16 | Lulia | But that's how I spent my first 12 talent points roughly |
| 17:10.22 | Lulia | And yeah, I'm usually top DPS |
| 17:10.24 | Lulia | :P |
| 17:10.34 | Lulia | Unless the DPS are tards and rage starve me |
| 17:10.36 | Lulia | By pulling shit |
| 17:10.42 | Mikk | (i'll point out that back in the day, top dpsers in blues did 200-300 dps @ 60) |
| 17:10.48 | Lulia | But with Warbringer, I'm usually ahead of them |
| 17:11.04 | Lulia | Thank god for Warbringer |
| 17:11.16 | Dewin | Lulia: How do you like prot war in 4.x? |
| 17:11.23 | Lulia | It's fun |
| 17:11.27 | Mikk | it's retarded at lower levels |
| 17:11.29 | Mikk | i'm not loving it at 80 |
| 17:11.31 | Mikk | feels sluggish |
| 17:11.36 | Lulia | Once you get warbringer |
| 17:11.38 | Lulia | It's fun |
| 17:11.53 | Dewin | I have a feral bear tank that I love but never got into warrior for some reason. |
| 17:11.58 | Mikk | when coming from olol-endless-rage-cleave-cleave-faceroll |
| 17:12.07 | Mikk | to "can't even use instants as much as i want" |
| 17:12.11 | Dewin | Well, probably because I duo'd with my wife's mage and it was boring unless I was tanking an instance. |
| 17:12.26 | Mikk | Dewin: warrior tanking is tons more fun than feral tanking |
| 17:12.29 | jnwhiteh | hrm.. no Revenge anymore? |
| 17:12.40 | jnwhiteh | I'm gonna have to tank with my warrior a bit to get used ot the changes =/ |
| 17:12.46 | Dewin | Mikk: Have you seen 4.0 bear tanking? |
| 17:12.50 | Jamash | revenge is still in |
| 17:12.52 | Lulia | So, I added that print statement |
| 17:13.03 | Lulia | And I got all the same numbers and... UNIT_POWER fires then it hits 2 |
| 17:13.04 | Mikk | Dewin: no i havent tbh, my druid is castery |
| 17:13.05 | Lulia | Then nothing |
| 17:13.06 | Dewin | Bear tanking is no longer spam the swipe key, it's nice. |
| 17:13.08 | Lulia | http://paste.wowace.com/2828/ |
| 17:13.30 | Lulia | I can't catch it to update to 0 if it's not firing. |
| 17:13.34 | Mikk | Dewin: well err yeah it got a cooldown :) |
| 17:13.59 | Lulia | That must be why all the bears are complaining about AoE threat |
| 17:14.04 | Lulia | :P |
| 17:14.06 | Dewin | Bear AOE threat is fine. |
| 17:14.13 | Dewin | ... if you've learned how to play it right |
| 17:14.16 | Lulia | I wouldnt know, I havent played one |
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| 17:14.19 | Mikk | Lulia: betcha the problem is that you're supplying Pow[1].Type |
| 17:14.30 | Lulia | But, Mikk |
| 17:14.40 | Lulia | Wouldn't it still be firing "UNIT_POWER" in a print statement? |
| 17:14.45 | Lulia | And I wouldn't see it catch it? |
| 17:14.52 | Lulia | It literally didn't fire off that print statement after 2 |
| 17:14.53 | Mikk | yes |
| 17:14.56 | Mikk | it should |
| 17:15.03 | Lulia | I can screen shot it for you |
| 17:15.03 | Lulia | :P |
| 17:15.05 | jnwhiteh | Lulia: run the code I pasted |
| 17:15.06 | Dewin | Swipe does far more threat per hit than it used to balance out the CD, so if you can time it right it's pretty good at snap aggro on a new group of mobs. |
| 17:15.08 | jnwhiteh | its sane |
| 17:15.10 | jnwhiteh | and it works =) |
| 17:15.16 | Fisker | i'm sane jnwhiteh |
| 17:15.18 | jnwhiteh | simpler is always better |
| 17:15.18 | Mikk | yeah try running jnwhiteh's code once |
| 17:15.19 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: lies. |
| 17:15.22 | Mikk | alongside with your own |
| 17:15.26 | jnwhiteh | it may not be an issue with your code |
| 17:15.28 | jnwhiteh | but use mine to check this. |
| 17:15.31 | Jamash | Fisker: Do you have a certificate of sanity? |
| 17:15.32 | Dewin | and that buys you time to throw lacerates and glyphed mauls on most of the new targets |
| 17:15.36 | Lulia | Adding it in, jn |
| 17:15.38 | Lulia | One sec |
| 17:15.47 | Lulia | woah |
| 17:15.49 | Lulia | hold up |
| 17:15.53 | Lulia | It just fired UNIT_POWER |
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| 17:15.55 | Lulia | and then 0 |
| 17:15.57 | Lulia | Like.... |
| 17:16.00 | Lulia | a couple minutes after 2 |
| 17:16.06 | Lulia | .... |
| 17:16.07 | Mikk | blinks |
| 17:16.18 | Jamash | shouldn't you be printing event instead of "UNIT_POWER"? |
| 17:16.24 | Lulia | I was about to add jn's code and I looked at my screen |
| 17:16.31 | Shirik | I love Wikipedia |
| 17:16.35 | Shirik | "Don't-give-a-fuckism is an ism concerned mainly with not giving a fuck." |
| 17:16.38 | Jamash | wikipedia luvs u |
| 17:16.44 | Mikk | Lulia: yeah you might have gotten UNIT_AURA or whatever |
| 17:17.02 | Lulia | changed it to event |
| 17:17.07 | Lulia | and added jn's code |
| 17:17.08 | Lulia | one sec |
| 17:17.20 | Fisker | yes Jamash |
| 17:17.23 | Lunessa | Shirik: I don't give a fuck? |
| 17:17.32 | Lulia | It probably fired UNIT_AURA (battle shout falling off) |
| 17:17.57 | Jamash | Fisker: Cool |
| 17:18.21 | Lulia | Uh... |
| 17:18.34 | Lulia | I just added jn's code and mine worked perfectly... |
| 17:18.41 | Lulia | Not just jn's, but my untouched code as well |
| 17:18.43 | Lulia | O.o |
| 17:18.51 | Jamash | \m/ |
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| 17:19.13 | Lulia | Commenting Jn's out for a sec |
| 17:19.20 | Lulia | And mine doesn't work anymore |
| 17:19.24 | Lulia | wth O.o |
| 17:19.26 | Jamash | rad |
| 17:19.35 | Fisker | i have a theory Jamash |
| 17:19.43 | Jamash | Fisker: do tell |
| 17:19.48 | A_F_K | I have several; none of them relevant, alas. |
| 17:19.52 | Fisker | it's about magic, miracles and shit |
| 17:20.16 | jnwhiteh | fucking giraffes, how do they work? |
| 17:20.32 | A_F_K | Well you go to the zoo, then sneak into their area. |
| 17:21.21 | Lulia | ah ha |
| 17:21.28 | Lulia | Even jn's code got stuck at 1 |
| 17:22.13 | Lulia | http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx304/ChocoGoob/Rageat1.jpg |
| 17:22.20 | Lulia | I pasted it in without altering it |
| 17:22.44 | Lulia | And the last thing it fired was My Power is: 1 |
| 17:22.53 | jnwhiteh | do a /eventtrace |
| 17:22.54 | jnwhiteh | and reproduce it |
| 17:22.59 | jnwhiteh | see if there's any events that fire |
| 17:23.10 | Lulia | alright |
| 17:23.10 | jnwhiteh | that might give us a clue |
| 17:23.19 | Lulia | one sec :) |
| 17:24.01 | Lulia | What's this begin capture at the bottom? |
| 17:24.15 | jnwhiteh | new events appear at the bottom |
| 17:24.27 | Lulia | ah, I see, hmm |
| 17:24.28 | Lulia | alright |
| 17:25.23 | Lulia | Is there any way to filter the events? O.o |
| 17:25.28 | Lulia | That's a lot of events >.> |
| 17:25.48 | alestane | Lunessa, http://textsfromlastnight.com/Text-Replies-22188.html |
| 17:26.08 | Lunessa | alestane: ... yes plx |
| 17:27.13 | Lulia | Alright, have a screen shot of the event trace |
| 17:28.04 | Lulia | http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx304/ChocoGoob/Rageat2witheventtrace.jpg |
| 17:28.21 | Lulia | UNIT_AURA is when battle shout goes up |
| 17:28.34 | Lulia | And there's 8 UNIT_POWERs that fire after that |
| 17:29.14 | Lulia | 19, 17, 14, 12, 9, 7, 4, 2 |
| 17:29.19 | Lulia | And then it just stops |
| 17:30.33 | jnwhiteh | weird. |
| 17:30.36 | jnwhiteh | not sure what to tell you! |
| 17:30.40 | Lulia | :-/ |
| 17:30.41 | Jamash | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9441366/WoWScrnShot_110810_122914.jpg <-- wtf |
| 17:31.03 | Lulia | lol, Jamash |
| 17:31.15 | Lulia | I guess I'll report it and see what happens. But if other people can't reproduce it |
| 17:31.21 | Lulia | Then it probably won't get anywhere |
| 17:31.35 | Lulia | A video might be more convincing though, so I'll try that |
| 17:32.13 | Lulia | How wasd camping? |
| 17:32.32 | Jamash | my mage is a horrible deformed troll midget :( |
| 17:32.34 | Lulia | oops |
| 17:32.36 | Lulia | wrong window |
| 17:32.49 | Lulia | hoorah! |
| 17:33.14 | Jamash | ok, it's a known issue |
| 17:33.18 | Lulia | On the upside, if it's only broken for me, since mine is working just like jn's (albeit probably less code-efficiently) then I know it's working for my users. |
| 17:36.40 | Fisker | nice stick Jamash |
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| 17:40.42 | Fisker | die Fisker die |
| 17:42.27 | msoul | Jamash: do you play as fire? |
| 17:42.33 | Lulia | I'm pretty sure this version is bug free |
| 17:42.34 | Lulia | :D |
| 17:42.37 | Lulia | Going to upload it |
| 17:43.51 | nevcairiel | no piece of software is ever bug free |
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| 17:44.20 | Arrowmaster | nevcairiel: except hello world examples in text books |
| 17:44.22 | Arrowmaster | most of the time |
| 17:44.27 | Lulia | True, Nev |
| 17:44.31 | Lulia | But there's no show stoppers |
| 17:44.56 | Lulia | I test my going through and playing with stuff in normal but odd ways, and I also go and delete all of my settings and start from fresh too |
| 17:45.06 | Lulia | So I'm fairly confident any bugs are going to be rare |
| 17:45.15 | Lulia | by* |
| 17:45.24 | farmbuyer | Axiom: every nontrivial piece of software has bugs. Corollary: any bug-free piece of software is trivial. :-p |
| 17:45.38 | Jamash | so on beta dual spec is 10g |
| 17:45.39 | farmbuyer | forget who said that first. |
| 17:45.47 | Jamash | msoul: I play trispec yo |
| 17:46.13 | Shirik | (12:43:47) (nevcairiel) no piece of software is ever bug free |
| 17:46.15 | Shirik | This is not true |
| 17:46.16 | Jamash | actually I have fire/frost dual spec on live |
| 17:46.20 | msoul | Jamash: I got my mage to hit 80 recently, with fire I go oom pretty fast |
| 17:46.28 | Jamash | well my mage is only 43 |
| 17:46.34 | msoul | :/ |
| 17:46.39 | nevcairiel | Shirik: 2 lines example code dont count |
| 17:46.45 | Shirik | it's software! |
| 17:46.51 | Shirik | Also I think it depends on how youdefine bug |
| 17:47.12 | Shirik | I'm willing to bet there's quite a bit of software that has no implementation defects but is still broken simply because of bad requirements |
| 17:47.18 | Shirik | (or no requirements for that matter) |
| 17:47.20 | Jamash | what farmbuyer said, basically |
| 17:47.40 | farmbuyer | I like C.A.R.Hoare's quip about bugs and complexities and design. |
| 17:48.07 | Shirik | There are two ways of constructing a software design: One way is to make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies, and the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies. The first method is far more difficult. |
| 17:48.09 | Shirik | yes? |
| 17:48.13 | Shirik | That one's pretty famous |
| 17:48.24 | farmbuyer | yar |
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| 17:49.09 | farmbuyer | although I think that's the first time I've seen it with the final sentence. |
| 17:49.12 | farmbuyer | anyhow. |
| 17:49.48 | Shirik | oh that's how I've always seen it |
| 17:53.16 | Kraps | "Pentax K-x w/18-55 & 50-200mm goes under $600 ($588)" |
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| 17:53.51 | Lulia | Oh, and Nev |
| 17:54.01 | Lulia | I added that option to turn off the square cds for runes |
| 17:54.12 | Lulia | If it's off though, it replaces the rune with a darker rune image when on CD |
| 17:54.34 | nevcairiel | you should be able to clip the cooldown, so that its only on the rune image itself |
| 17:54.52 | nevcairiel | although it would hardly be visible then |
| 17:58.19 | Lulia | I don't know how to clip it, I tried using an overlaid image |
| 17:58.28 | Lulia | But it was just funky and I gave up trying to size it correctly |
| 17:58.35 | Lulia | Not to mention those runes shouldn't have borders |
| 18:02.37 | Kraps | wait what http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/56850/ |
| 18:03.44 | Mikk | viagra for stonedorfs |
| 18:05.23 | Lulia | :P |
| 18:06.03 | Lulia | Oh man, usually my file is approved quicker than that |
| 18:06.04 | Lulia | >.> |
| 18:06.27 | Shirik | ? |
| 18:06.34 | Shirik | faster than what |
| 18:06.44 | Lulia | It hasn't been approved yet :P |
| 18:06.49 | Lulia | Usually it only takes a minute or two |
| 18:06.58 | Shirik | you could say something |
| 18:07.15 | Lulia | Oh |
| 18:07.17 | Lulia | :P |
| 18:07.24 | nevcairiel | Its only that fast when Cairenn is around |
| 18:07.35 | Lulia | need to upload to Curse too |
| 18:07.41 | Mikk | that's fast! |
| 18:07.53 | Kraps | ok how does vellum work? the enchanter puts an enchantment on it and another player can use it on an item? |
| 18:08.10 | Mikk | Kraps: exactly |
| 18:08.36 | Mikk | very convenient to be able to go to the AH and buy a readymade scroll |
| 18:08.45 | Mikk | though they tend to be priced .. ehm.. high =) |
| 18:08.58 | Lulia | Thanks, Shirik |
| 18:09.03 | Jamash | the price you pay for convenience |
| 18:09.08 | Mikk | it also rocks when your alt is an enchanter and you want to enchant your own gear |
| 18:09.14 | Kraps | ^ |
| 18:09.22 | Kraps | going to do that now |
| 18:09.22 | Jamash | that's what I do |
| 18:09.27 | Mikk | oh and it's handy for levelling enchanting ofc |
| 18:09.32 | Jamash | yesssssssssssssss |
| 18:09.35 | Mikk | instead of blowing mats on enchanting your own gear 23467827364 times |
| 18:09.38 | Mikk | you make scrolls & sell |
| 18:09.40 | Jamash | ^ |
| 18:09.59 | TC-Work | that no one buys |
| 18:10.04 | Kraps | ^ |
| 18:10.07 | TC-Work | because by now you know someone that can do it or you can |
| 18:10.07 | Jamash | they do if you price them right |
| 18:10.26 | Jamash | you're probably not making a profit but you're getting more than nothing |
| 18:10.30 | Mikk | ^ |
| 18:10.39 | Kraps | < |
| 18:10.39 | TC-Work | costs to make vellum |
| 18:10.55 | Mikk | still better than straight loss |
| 18:10.56 | Kraps | who makes vellum? |
| 18:10.59 | Mikk | inscribers |
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| 18:11.14 | Jamash | there used to be multiple tiers of vellum but there seems to be only one now |
| 18:11.19 | Mikk | or however the hell you're supposed to term people with the inscription profession |
| 18:11.23 | Jamash | Scribes |
| 18:11.39 | Mikk | the jury is still out tbh :P |
| 18:12.16 | Mikk | the argument goes "A scribe writes.. normal text. But inscriptions are magic." |
| 18:12.31 | Kraps | inscriptioneer! |
| 18:12.47 | Mikk | worst suggestion ever, you lose -1 internets |
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| 18:13.17 | Kraps | :( |
| 18:13.37 | Kraps | inscriptionizers? |
| 18:13.39 | Jamash | The building in Dalaran is "The Scribes' Sacellum" |
| 18:14.31 | Shirik | I like inscriptionizer |
| 18:15.02 | Lulia | Hmm, my AddOn used 0.9 CPU/sec |
| 18:15.04 | Lulia | :-/ |
| 18:15.24 | Mikk | I like inscriber personally :> |
| 18:17.47 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:18.39 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v tekkub] by ChanServ |
| 18:20.44 | Shirik | Unblock request: i will not say things at AN/I because i don't like those ppl anyway. because i promise not do say these rude things at AN/I, there is nothing to prevent. ALSO WE CAN MAKE A DEAL if i say more rude things at AN/I in the next 48 hrs you can block me for 9999999999999999999999 hours, but for now i just need to respond to some comments that ppl made to me at the REFERENCE DESK. ok thx |
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| 18:23.14 | Kraps | sounds legit Shirik |
| 18:23.54 | amro | I'd unblock |
| 18:24.06 | amro | also |
| 18:24.08 | amro | http://shoryuken.com/content/tokido-poses-akuma-after-landing-raging-demon-ultra-win-2349/ |
| 18:24.14 | amro | so badass |
| 18:28.10 | Kraps | the stat change added a lot of crit to gear? |
| 18:28.58 | msoul | Mikk: wish there is more stuff that you can do with this prof |
| 18:29.32 | msoul | I maxed it recently and all I can get from it incata is the shoulder enchant which will save me some time farming rep |
| 18:30.01 | msoul | best combo I have on a char is enchanting/engineering |
| 18:34.02 | Fisker | it's cold Shirik |
| 18:34.22 | jnwhiteh | Phase 2 of the event just hit servers? |
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| 18:35.08 | Shirik | agree Fisker |
| 18:35.11 | Shirik | ~weather kdab |
| 18:35.16 | Flowyk | self.options.args.clicks.args[tostring(i)] |
| 18:35.19 | Shirik | 69.1F |
| 18:35.21 | Shirik | unacceptable |
| 18:35.25 | Flowyk | why is it saved as string? |
| 18:35.29 | Fisker | jnwhiteh |
| 18:35.34 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: |
| 18:35.37 | Fisker | is there something new in the event that wasn't there yesterday? |
| 18:36.43 | Kraps | the event, on fox |
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| 18:37.46 | batrick | hello shirik |
| 18:37.53 | Shirik | hello batrick |
| 18:38.37 | Kraps | http://www.wowhead.com/guide=cataclysm&prelaunch#twilights-cult-elemental-invasion |
| 18:38.57 | kd3|netbook | http://www.wowpedia.org/Elemental_Unrest#Phase_2 |
| 18:39.04 | Fisker | no kd3|netbook ! |
| 18:40.23 | msoul | Man this guy definitely would be in my "die hard" category |
| 18:40.31 | msoul | In the interest of Max/Min: |
| 18:40.32 | msoul | Arcane Engineers can cast Mage Ward (before the pull or with a spare GCD during movement), then use a Sapper Charge, proccing Incanter's Absorption for ~+250SP for 15 seconds. |
| 18:40.33 | msoul | The Sapper Charge works neatly with your AP/Berserking/Mirror Image/Haste Pot macro. |
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| 18:42.29 | syrae | wait... did the next phase of the invasion start? |
| 18:42.47 | Fisker | is there something new in the event that wasn't there yesterday? |
| 18:42.56 | kd3|netbook | just a few new quests |
| 18:43.22 | Fisker | kd3|netbook it was a "Has Phase n started"-flowchart not a question |
| 18:45.05 | syrae | well, "there are new quests" is exactly what i was looking for in an answer, so thanks. And <3 and all that |
| 18:47.49 | Mikk | msoul: i'm pretty sure that's going to be a net loss in dps unless the sapper charge also hits the boss |
| 18:48.35 | Mikk | hrm i take that back.. it doesnt even blow up for enough that it matters |
| 18:49.13 | Mikk | what i'm saying is: is 250 SP for 14 seconds worth a gcd in terms of dps? i think not |
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| 18:51.46 | Kraps | wtb headless horsemans mount |
| 18:57.54 | Kraps | http://www.wowbash.com/images/1288433056.png |
| 19:01.05 | msoul | I wish there will be a tabard or some such as a reward from all these quests |
| 19:01.26 | msoul | can't remember the the tabard of heroism or some such |
| 19:01.49 | nevcairiel | there still might be when the events finish |
| 19:01.59 | msoul | I hope so |
| 19:02.14 | msoul | I didn't do the first part on my lock :/ |
| 19:02.22 | nevcairiel | its not too late |
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| 19:02.44 | msoul | will do those 2 quests on my lock soon |
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| 19:06.36 | alestane | Kraps, that joke sounds like it probably started life as "A Frenchman, an Englishman and an Irishman" or something similar. |
| 19:06.50 | Kraps | yeah |
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| 19:07.23 | Lulia | I dont think you have to do the first part to do the second |
| 19:07.25 | Maldivia | hmm... they need a Heart Powered buff as well :/ |
| 19:07.40 | Lulia | I hope not, I'm not going to finish the first part on my DK or Warlock, I want to keep the acolyte's outfit |
| 19:07.40 | Lulia | :P |
| 19:09.00 | Lunessa | http://wins.failblog.org/2010/11/04/culture-jamming-graffiti-tribute/ |
| 19:09.06 | ajmitch | Lulia: put it in your bank when you hand in the quest then |
| 19:09.33 | Lulia | Wish I had done that when on my pally |
| 19:09.34 | Lulia | :( |
| 19:10.04 | batbot | Shirik fears to duel a bot, what a coward. |
| 19:10.25 | ajmitch | wonders if the rifts around the world are spawning more frequently now |
| 19:11.01 | olafski | where do those new quests start? :$ |
| 19:12.27 | Lulia | where do the rifts spawn anyways? I know they'll eventually spawn in capital cities |
| 19:12.29 | Lulia | but before then? |
| 19:13.14 | Shirik | I need a chinese speaker |
| 19:13.18 | Shirik | anyone in here speak/read chinese? |
| 19:13.36 | nevcairiel | Xinhuan does, if he is around |
| 19:13.55 | nevcairiel | might be their sleepy time right now |
| 19:14.18 | Shirik | how dare he sleep |
| 19:14.21 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 19:14.23 | Shirik | you'd think it's nighttime there or something |
| 19:14.35 | Lunessa | alestane: http://www.fmylife.com/miscellaneous/13762266 |
| 19:14.43 | Fisker | you can't Shirik |
| 19:14.48 | Shirik | I cannot you are correct |
| 19:14.59 | nevcairiel | its around 3am over there |
| 19:15.09 | nevcairiel | so find some chinese dude living in the US :P |
| 19:15.50 | alestane | Yah, that's pretty evil, Lunessa. |
| 19:16.18 | arkanes | Lulia: pretty much all over, wowhead has a list of spawn points for various zones |
| 19:22.55 | Shirik | nevcairiel: He should move here |
| 19:29.09 | Lulia | Putting it in the bank worked. God now I'm so pissed that I didn't do that on my pally |
| 19:29.10 | Lulia | :( |
| 19:31.44 | Shirik | google translate is officially awesome |
| 19:31.56 | Shirik | ~x jp en ããã¾ã |
| 19:32.00 | Shirik | ~x jp en ãããã¾ã |
| 19:32.00 | cbreak | enough to be useful? |
| 19:32.06 | Shirik | oh you suck |
| 19:32.22 | Shirik | well anyway, google translate turns the "see ya" (slightly informal) into "cheerio" (very informal) |
| 19:32.42 | cbreak | I'd say it's more like "Well, laters" |
| 19:32.51 | Shirik | still |
| 19:32.57 | Shirik | the fact that they said "cheerio" is awesome |
| 19:33.03 | Kraps | Lulia: did what? |
| 19:33.07 | cbreak | maybe that was an add word :) |
| 19:34.00 | Lulia | I turned in the cultist quest with the robes still in my bags |
| 19:34.04 | Lulia | so it took them away from me |
| 19:34.11 | Lulia | And now there's no way to get them back on that char |
| 19:34.12 | Lulia | :-/ |
| 19:35.50 | nicoli_s | but if you type see yas, will it say cheerios |
| 19:39.51 | Shirik | Ok, there are 20 categories of items on the US Munitions List |
| 19:40.00 | Shirik | Category 1 is "Firearms, Close Assault Weapons and Combat Shotguns" |
| 19:40.09 | Shirik | Category 2 is "Guns and Armament" |
| 19:40.19 | Shirik | In what world is "Firearms, Close Assault Weapons and Combat Shotguns" not a gun? |
| 19:42.25 | nevcairiel | there is probably some arcane reason for the seperation |
| 19:44.32 | Lulia | Oh, uh |
| 19:44.37 | Lulia | It took the robe away from my bank too |
| 19:44.47 | Lulia | So yeah, not completing the quest chain on my Warlock :P |
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| 19:49.10 | Shirik | made 3 corn dogs |
| 19:49.13 | Shirik | you are all now jealous |
| 19:49.28 | Fisker | i have cold feet Shirik |
| 19:49.37 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbat8qirFXY |
| 19:49.41 | Shirik | put them in the microwave |
| 19:50.24 | Cide | not quite jealous sorry |
| 19:51.57 | Shirik | you are so jealous you won't admit it |
| 19:52.38 | Fisker | phew Kraps |
| 19:52.44 | Fisker | i just thought it said "Touch my balls" |
| 19:53.00 | Shirik | ~wiki explosion day |
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| 19:54.33 | nevcairiel | wth |
| 19:55.04 | nevcairiel | can you look at the original when it was deleted? :P |
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| 19:59.03 | Shirik | nevcairiel? |
| 19:59.08 | MentalPower|Work | ~LUA |
| 19:59.09 | purl | Lua is a powerful light-weight programming language designed for extending applications. It is often used as a configuration language. See http://www.lua.org/. Note: Lua is not an acronym. It is the Portuguese word for "moon". |
| 19:59.13 | nevcairiel | Shirik? |
| 19:59.19 | Shirik | (14:55:00) (nevcairiel) can you look at the original when it was deleted? :P |
| 19:59.26 | MentalPower|Work | hmm.. I thought it would yell at me... |
| 19:59.28 | nevcairiel | I want to read about explosion day :( |
| 19:59.32 | Shirik | oh |
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| 19:59.55 | Lulia | Hi Cairenn! |
| 20:00.01 | cairenn | hi hi |
| 20:00.02 | Shirik | nevcairiel: http://wowi.pastey.net/142615 |
| 20:00.23 | jnwhiteh | ~writeluaright |
| 20:00.23 | purl | Lua is a Portuguese word meaning "Moon". More details can be found on the "About Lua" page at http://www.lua.org/about.html#name |
| 20:00.29 | nevcairiel | lol, thats just horrible |
| 20:01.49 | alestane | huggles cairenn joyfully. |
| 20:01.58 | cairenn | cuddles alestane |
| 20:03.13 | Lulia | I wants cuddles |
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| 20:04.42 | cairenn | hugs Lulia |
| 20:05.09 | Lulia | yay :D |
| 20:05.16 | Lulia | hugs Cairenn. |
| 20:05.29 | Lulia | I haz uploaded v0.41 on WoWInterface. Had to fix a minor bug I found. |
| 20:05.35 | Fisker | imposter |
| 20:05.40 | Lulia | Make sure it has no viruses? |
| 20:05.42 | Fisker | evil twin universe |
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| 20:07.30 | Lulia | thanks |
| 20:08.52 | MentalPower|Work | thanks jnwhiteh |
| 20:09.00 | jnwhiteh | ? |
| 20:09.09 | MentalPower|Work | the ~writeluaright |
| 20:09.13 | MentalPower|Work | I was looking for that one |
| 20:09.20 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 20:09.46 | dolby | i blame cairenn |
| 20:10.03 | cairenn | I do too! |
| 20:10.19 | dolby | for being so awesome =p |
| 20:10.32 | cairenn | bah |
| 20:10.36 | cairenn | pokes dolby |
| 20:11.00 | alestane | Starting to think my experience taking holiday work with RadioShack may have been a bit abnormal...over there they were doing holiday hiring starting around early October, everywhere I'm trying this year seems to be aiming for new staff right after Thanksgiving. |
| 20:13.00 | Lulia | I still cant find a job :( |
| 20:14.29 | Arrowmaster | same :( |
| 20:14.36 | sylvanaar | i thought you had a job |
| 20:14.45 | Arrowmaster | who? |
| 20:14.45 | sylvanaar | Arrowmaster |
| 20:14.48 | Arrowmaster | nope |
| 20:15.01 | nevcairiel | come to europe, IT professionals are usually wanted all around |
| 20:15.07 | sylvanaar | well, get to workin on some addons chop chop |
| 20:15.34 | sylvanaar | get me a job there in germany nevcairiel, i'd move there in a heartbeat |
| 20:16.09 | sylvanaar | (always wanted to live there) |
| 20:16.30 | Lulia | I don't have the expertise to be an IT professional :( |
| 20:16.40 | Lulia | Though I do have training in the field, I have no actual qualifications. |
| 20:17.16 | Arrowmaster | i have the qualifications but no field experience |
| 20:17.22 | Shadowed | nicoli_s ping |
| 20:17.29 | Lulia | I spent a lot of time on v0.4 of my AddOn, far more than I anticipated. v0.5 is going to be even worse. |
| 20:17.35 | sylvanaar | i have 15 years experience but a boring job |
| 20:17.36 | alestane | IT is one of those fields you usually don't want to write yourself out of. |
| 20:17.53 | nicoli_s | yes shadowed? |
| 20:18.32 | nevcairiel | no experience is usually harder to sell, but not impossible, as long as the knowledge is there. I mean, i just started fresh out of university half a year ago =p |
| 20:19.29 | Lulia | Well, I worked 4 years in my college's tech service center |
| 20:19.57 | Arrowmaster | the problem is that its mostly programming jobs i find, and thats not my field |
| 20:20.06 | Lulia | But I don't have a comp sci degree or the A+ Certification or anything like that. My skills are basic entry-level at best, but they're more than my lack of qualification would suggest. |
| 20:20.40 | Arrowmaster | A+ is easy, and btw if you want it get it before January 1st 2011 |
| 20:20.42 | Lulia | And I can't do anything with my BA in Psych. I want to go to grad school, but that costs money, so I need a job first. :-/ |
| 20:20.50 | Lulia | I don't have any money |
| 20:20.59 | Lulia | Why would I want to get it before January 1st? |
| 20:21.05 | nevcairiel | You USians and your expensive education, oh well! |
| 20:21.10 | sylvanaar | im sure its changing |
| 20:21.36 | sylvanaar | what is the tax rate in germany? |
| 20:21.39 | Arrowmaster | A+, Network+, and Security+ are changing from lifetime to needing renewal on January 1st, if you get it before that date you have it for life |
| 20:21.48 | sylvanaar | vat and income? |
| 20:22.23 | nevcairiel | income tax varies by your income, but including health insurance and whatnot, its around 40% for me |
| 20:22.32 | sylvanaar | thats not bad |
| 20:22.36 | sylvanaar | what is vat? |
| 20:22.42 | nevcairiel | 19% |
| 20:22.46 | sylvanaar | whoa |
| 20:22.49 | sylvanaar | thats alot |
| 20:22.49 | Lulia | Arrowmaster: That sucks. I would if I had the funds to do it, but I may be stuck needing renewal :-/, which makes me not want to get it, since it's not a guarantee of a job. |
| 20:23.06 | Lulia | I dont get why Youtube insight remains broken for me |
| 20:23.09 | Arrowmaster | A+ is really basic level stuff anyway |
| 20:23.14 | Lulia | And I can't find a customer service address to complain to |
| 20:23.23 | Arrowmaster | i need to get my Network+ and Security+ before the end of the year though |
| 20:23.53 | Lulia | 64k youtube views |
| 20:23.58 | nobgul | Insight is working for me >_< |
| 20:24.05 | Lulia | Well it's broken on mine |
| 20:24.09 | Lulia | It just sits in loading forever |
| 20:24.20 | Lulia | I had to go to my channel to see how many upload views I have |
| 20:24.25 | nobgul | http://www.youtube.com/my_videos_insight |
| 20:24.27 | nobgul | ? |
| 20:24.28 | Lulia | 64k is pretty sweet :) |
| 20:24.30 | Kraps | is fallout new vegas good? |
| 20:24.40 | Lulia | Yeah, mine is broken, nobgul |
| 20:24.42 | kd3|netbook | buggy |
| 20:24.51 | nobgul | You had so many views u brokeded it |
| 20:24.53 | Lulia | It just says "Loading YouTube Insight" indefinitely. |
| 20:25.11 | Lulia | >.> except it's not that many in comparison to others :P |
| 20:25.27 | nobgul | =/ |
| 20:25.30 | Kraps | kd3|netbook: they're releasing a patch "soon" |
| 20:26.17 | Lulia | I wish it was more, then I could actually make a little money from it ;) |
| 20:26.29 | nobgul | Did you try the report a bug thing on the bottom left? |
| 20:26.32 | Lulia | I haz bills and no job. Gotta call a place I applied to the other day |
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| 20:26.46 | Lulia | Oh, I was looking for that, nobgul |
| 20:26.49 | Lulia | Couldn't find it earlier |
| 20:27.21 | nobgul | http://www.google.com/tools/feedback/intl/en/error.html |
| 20:27.31 | nobgul | Is the url incase you can't get the page to load |
| 20:29.03 | nobgul | Lulia: I know the feeling. I don't get many views either =P |
| 20:32.20 | Lulia | I got it to load and reported it. |
| 20:32.33 | Lulia | Well, my main issue is that I actually get a decent amount of views, but likely not "enough" |
| 20:33.19 | Lulia | 64k views for a channel that I started in July isn't shabby. |
| 20:33.36 | Lulia | But it's not explosive either, and all they care about is explosive :( |
| 20:33.45 | Lulia | like, 100k views in a week |
| 20:34.36 | sylvanaar | who is going to get blackops? |
| 20:35.52 | Kraps | is currently listening to Soundgarden - Black Hole Sun |
| 20:36.28 | Lulia | Black hole sun, won't you come and wash away... |
| 20:36.30 | Lulia | rawr |
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| 20:37.20 | Angayelle | hai people |
| 20:37.23 | Kraps | sylvanaar: any idea how long the single playre is? |
| 20:37.32 | sylvanaar | no cluw |
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| 20:45.24 | Angayelle | to use my frame as an unit frame and be able to target unit by left clicking on it, correct me if i'm wrong, i must 1-set the frame as button, 2-make it inherits from "SecureUnitButtonTemplate", 3- add an OnClick script with TargetUnit("unit") Api |
| 20:45.37 | alestane | No. |
| 20:45.44 | Angayelle | goddam |
| 20:45.50 | Angayelle | i thought i was almost good |
| 20:46.00 | alestane | If you're inheriting from SecureUnitButtonTemplate, it will provide its own OnClick script. |
| 20:46.05 | alestane | Adding your own will break it. |
| 20:46.54 | alestane | Sec. |
| 20:47.18 | nevcairiel | just set the "unit" attribute to whatever unit you want it to be, and the SecureUnitButtonTemplate should already to the targeting and whatnot |
| 20:47.19 | Angayelle | that's what it did first, it doesn't work yet |
| 20:47.54 | Angayelle | @ alestane |
| 20:48.23 | alestane | If you're not calling SecureUnitButton_OnLoad yourself, you may also need to set the "type" attribute: button:SetAttribute('type', 'target') |
| 20:50.44 | Kraps | what webcomics/graphic novels do you guys follow? |
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| 20:51.20 | mitchnull | dilbert |
| 20:51.44 | foxlit | $3,372,564.48 |
| 20:52.12 | Xyphoid | subnormality, saturday morning breakfast cereal, nobody scores (the sadly lamented) |
| 20:52.31 | Xyphoid | schlock mercenary |
| 20:52.36 | Cide | xkcd naturally |
| 20:52.43 | Xyphoid | i follow xkcd explained instead |
| 20:53.02 | foxlit | kind of meh, though. |
| 20:53.04 | Cide | that's like xkcd for teh dumbs |
| 20:53.21 | foxlit | The explanations are often unnecessary and seldom funny. |
| 20:54.10 | Xyphoid | but oh man do they sink the knife in |
| 20:54.47 | Xyphoid | i think achewood is on the death spiral unfortunately |
| 20:57.27 | Kraps | what about fully-worked, plot-based ones like http://requiem.seraph-inn.com/ |
| 20:57.53 | alestane | Pheonix Requiem's been pretty good. I think it may be winding down though. |
| 20:58.41 | Kraps | it is |
| 20:59.08 | Kraps | 2.5 chapters left |
| 20:59.24 | alestane | Her other one on there was pretty good, same kind of bittersweet tempo. |
| 20:59.39 | Kraps | yeah |
| 21:00.26 | Kraps | i really like this one as well http://www.wncomic.com/archive.php?strip_id=1 |
| 21:01.13 | Kraps | seems like it updates slower than firefox releases updates though |
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| 21:07.11 | kd3|netbook | grr at course registration insanity |
| 21:07.30 | kd3|netbook | took calculus _3_ yet I still can't take math classes because I never took pre-calc |
| 21:12.48 | Kraps | http://artsangel.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d30njui |
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| 21:15.14 | KarlKFI|work | kd3: after 4 years of university i still had to get the dean to sign something every quarter to wave a calculus A requirement because i only got a 3 on the AP, even tho i'd gone on to pass calc B at a city college. Apparently their software had no concept of a permanent waiver. |
| 21:15.48 | nicoli_s | i was so glad for AP classes |
| 21:15.54 | nicoli_s | got like 17 credits from them |
| 21:16.05 | kd3|netbook | hah |
| 21:16.40 | nicoli_s | too bad i dropped out :( |
| 21:21.11 | mitchnull | anyone happen to know the name of that addon that lets you change some properties of the new blizz "power auras" thing? |
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| 21:31.27 | industrial | ah its cold again in the netherlands, almost freezing |
| 21:31.31 | industrial | I'm loving it |
| 21:31.41 | industrial | last year it was snow from december or so til march |
| 21:31.43 | industrial | awesome =) |
| 21:32.15 | industrial | winter > summer > spring > fall (fall is just boring) |
| 21:33.49 | Zhinjio | looking for recommendation on system cloning utility that will run on both unix/windows. anyone? |
| 21:35.16 | Kraps | rages at people complaining that "Hello" by Evanescence is "sad/depressing" |
| 21:36.06 | alestane | Nothing on that album is what I'd call "joyful." |
| 21:36.16 | alestane | That's not what it's FOR. |
| 21:38.02 | industrial | I sing that shit when I have my headphone on :D love that album |
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| 21:49.20 | Fisker | did phase 2 of the elemental invasion start? |
| 21:49.31 | TC-Work | according to mmo it did |
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| 21:55.29 | durcyn | phase 2 is underpants, right? |
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| 22:00.05 | Kraps | alestane: pro-tip: the song is about her sister dying when amy was 6 |
| 22:00.19 | alestane | Doesn't surprise me at all. |
| 22:00.43 | Angayelle | eating nutella with a spoon help me from my secure frames targeting problems |
| 22:01.19 | Mikk | ~Angayelle-- |
| 22:03.47 | Angayelle | wut ? |
| 22:03.58 | Angayelle | oh i got a flash i think |
| 22:05.50 | Angayelle | the Onload section contained in "SecureUnitButtonTemplate" when used on a child frame shouldn't conflict with the one from the parent frame ? |
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| 22:06.29 | alestane | SecureUnitButtonTemplate doesn't have an OnLoad. |
| 22:07.02 | Angayelle | gosh that's why you spoke about adding it manually earlier |
| 22:07.40 | alestane | SecureUnitButton_OnLoad is called by various other OnLoad scripts in other parts of the stockUI. |
| 22:07.56 | Angayelle | in the global ? |
| 22:08.29 | Angayelle | that's a silly queqstion nvm that |
| 22:09.51 | Zas | Zas |
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| 22:14.14 | Cairenn | oooookay |
| 22:15.56 | Torhal | Everyone, now! |
| 22:15.59 | Torhal | Torhal |
| 22:16.17 | Cairenn | Imma hurt you Torhal :p |
| 22:16.25 | Seerah | hehe |
| 22:16.26 | Torhal | hides. |
| 22:16.33 | Cairenn | we don't need 187 lines of people spamming their own names :p |
| 22:18.27 | Seerah | assuming that you would not partake in the spamming, it would technically only be 186 |
| 22:18.31 | Seerah | hides, too |
| 22:18.53 | Cairenn | contacts Wayne to give Seerah a tickling! |
| 22:19.32 | Seerah | :D |
| 22:20.10 | alestane | ..."Those would be very mean wolves." |
| 22:20.47 | Lulia | Seerah is a gnome! |
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| 22:21.06 | Seerah | yes :) |
| 22:21.28 | Lulia | :D |
| 22:21.31 | Lulia | cute! |
| 22:22.32 | alestane | During college, one of my friends was asking how tickling is evolutionarily selected for, since it seems like a liability. I pointed out that as few packs of wolves tickle people into submission, it's not strongly selected against, either. One of his roommates commented from the couch, "Those would be very mean wolves." |
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| 22:28.20 | nicoli_s | Torhal:how goes the addoning? |
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| 22:32.31 | industrial | ice cold milk |
| 22:33.15 | DWSR | ~seen nevcairiel |
| 22:33.29 | purl | nevcairiel is currently on #wowuidev (2d 9h 20m 9s) #wowace (2d 9h 20m 9s) #curseforge (2d 9h 20m 9s). Has said a total of 247 messages. Is idling for 1h 8m 24s, last said: 'yeah, its a blizzard bug, and i didnt bother to fix it for them yet'. |
| 22:33.46 | Lunessa | is a very mean wolf. |
| 22:33.46 | DWSR | nevcairiel: Is there a way to get the portrait on top of the frame in SUF? |
| 22:35.56 | Fisker | i will harm you Lunessa |
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| 22:38.45 | Cairenn | isn't saying a word |
| 22:39.44 | Fisker | cheese |
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| 22:49.52 | nobgul | DWSR: I reckon there is a m8 uses them and his ui has the portrait on top centered on the frame. I will ask him in a bit if you don't get a reply |
| 22:51.31 | robokitty | Fisker |
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| 22:55.04 | p3lim | I forgot how to merge two branches in git >_> |
| 22:57.46 | nobgul | Delete one =P |
| 22:58.28 | nobgul | but anyway |
| 22:58.32 | nobgul | git merge command |
| 22:58.49 | p3lim | yeah I just dont remember the procedure |
| 22:58.52 | nobgul | make sure you have one of them checked out |
| 22:58.58 | p3lim | docs got me confused (as always) |
| 22:59.13 | p3lim | also how to check out master properly |
| 22:59.27 | nobgul | git checkout master |
| 23:00.08 | nobgul | I always commit before i start to make sure that i haven't forgotten to =P |
| 23:00.23 | p3lim | yeah just commited |
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| 23:00.33 | nobgul | once you merge do a git diff |
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| 23:00.51 | nobgul | if there are errors you fix them then commit with -a i thinks |
| 23:01.10 | nobgul | and then gittk is the last command |
| 23:01.22 | nobgul | gitk* |
| 23:01.29 | p3lim | git checkout remote/master |
| 23:01.55 | Hirsute | So, educate the noob: Why's git cooler than svn? |
| 23:02.08 | nobgul | umm |
| 23:02.19 | nobgul | IMHO the frontend stuff for php for git is way cooler =P |
| 23:05.12 | Shirik | Hirsute: Because svn only tracks files |
| 23:05.15 | Shirik | git tracks history |
| 23:05.36 | Shirik | If you've ever tried to do a merge on svn you will understand how incredibly awful it is |
| 23:05.53 | Hirsute | Shirik: Hrmmm. As in, it's easier to revert to older versions, merge branches in, etc? |
| 23:06.09 | Hirsute | And, yes, recently I was bitten by the horribleness of merging a branch in svn. |
| 23:06.17 | p3lim | hm, checking out master then merging automaticly deletes old branch.. neat |
| 23:06.21 | Shirik | reverting is relatively similar |
| 23:06.32 | Shirik | but git remembers what merges have occurred |
| 23:06.44 | Shirik | which is vital for being able to continue to do merges |
| 23:06.51 | Shirik | svn will just conflict on a second merge |
| 23:06.52 | Hirsute | Borked the Auctioneer repository for an afternoon. because of it. |
| 23:06.57 | Hirsute | Gotcha |
| 23:07.07 | Shirik | for example |
| 23:07.08 | Shirik | look at this |
| 23:07.41 | nobgul | p3lim: You got it? |
| 23:07.49 | p3lim | no, branch is not deleted at remote |
| 23:07.52 | p3lim | (github) |
| 23:08.18 | nobgul | do you check for file conflicts? |
| 23:08.25 | p3lim | there arent any |
| 23:08.30 | Shirik | Hirsute: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/e1818ab6294317896d6dded6e21ad2b5.png |
| 23:08.31 | p3lim | and git branch doesnt list the other branches |
| 23:08.34 | Shirik | This is a small, 10-man project |
| 23:08.40 | Shirik | but git allows us to really work independently |
| 23:08.44 | Shirik | and merges are quite clean |
| 23:09.09 | nobgul | it just shows the Master branch? |
| 23:09.14 | p3lim | yeah |
| 23:09.18 | Dashkal | Shirik: WTB better merge visualization. Logs like that make me cry when trying to parse out what actually happened and when |
| 23:09.27 | nobgul | try git merge next |
| 23:09.39 | Shirik | Dashkal: To be fair, it usually looks better than that |
| 23:09.41 | Hirsute | Shirik: That's really slick. |
| 23:09.43 | p3lim | 'next' does not point to a commit |
| 23:09.50 | Shirik | but that was a mess there |
| 23:10.20 | Hirsute | Now, I wonder if tortoise svn and tortoise git will coexist peacefully and functionally on the same system. |
| 23:10.23 | nobgul | Umm.. Thinking. |
| 23:10.34 | Dashkal | Shirik: *nods* My projects try very hard not to do that. But the problem I'm having is only with how its displayed. Under the good git keeps track beautifuly. That example would be epic fail in svn. |
| 23:10.51 | Shirik | yeah this would be a nightmare |
| 23:10.52 | nobgul | p3lim: You can try just git commit |
| 23:10.55 | nobgul | and see if it throws errors |
| 23:10.58 | Shirik | how we would do it in svn: We wouldn't have made separate branches |
| 23:11.13 | Shirik | But the branches really allow us to separate concerns dramatically |
| 23:11.14 | Dashkal | Exactly what I ended up doing on the last svn project I did. |
| 23:11.24 | Shirik | it has really allowed our teams to work independently |
| 23:11.28 | p3lim | nobgul: nope, but I think I know how to do this |
| 23:11.34 | Shirik | I remember getting spammed by our buildserver with like 10 failures |
| 23:11.39 | Shirik | but I was working on my branch with no problem |
| 23:11.42 | Shirik | and I was so happy |
| 23:11.48 | Shirik | and then I lashed out at the other guy but that's another story |
| 23:12.34 | p3lim | nvm, git commit origin !branch didnt do it |
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| 23:13.23 | p3lim | it was :branch :) |
| 23:13.25 | p3lim | not ! |
| 23:16.10 | nobgul | hehe |
| 23:16.47 | nobgul | Atleast you got it. |
| 23:17.11 | nobgul | and if all else fails: git reset --hard HEAD |
| 23:17.17 | nobgul | and run like hell and hope for the best =P |
| 23:18.06 | DWSR | ~seen Antiarc |
| 23:18.14 | purl | antiarc is currently on #wowuidev (18h 8m 24s) #wowace (18h 8m 24s) #curseforge (18h 8m 24s). Has said a total of 20 messages. Is idling for 4m 39s, last said: 'The general attitude I take towards my stuff is "feel free to commit if you know what you're doing"'. |
| 23:19.14 | DWSR | Hey Antiarc, can has portrait on top of frame in SUF? |
| 23:19.29 | Kraps | http://kotaku.com/5684797/world-of-warcrafts-greatest-fan-sings |
| 23:20.54 | Antiarc | DWSR: Ask nevcairiel - he's done pretty much all the work on it so far. |
| 23:21.03 | Antiarc | Despite my best intentions, I've not even had time to log into WoW lately. |
| 23:21.40 | DWSR | Kraps: Win |
| 23:21.41 | Lulia | I finally got pissed off enough with the new compact raid frame ui that I made an AddOn that hides it |
| 23:22.00 | Lulia | 7 line AddOn, and that's just because I like spacing things out. |
| 23:22.02 | Lulia | >.> |
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| 23:23.18 | Lulia | You'd think they'd have a "turn this off" option |
| 23:24.02 | Amarande | anyone tried to tame a warp stalker lately? |
| 23:24.58 | syrae | Amarande: I haven't. they've never really been my style |
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| 23:25.59 | Amarande | ah, trap went easy enough, keep forgetting tame beast is 10 seconds now |
| 23:26.13 | Amarande | was wondering if I could tame them easily without having to worry about phase-out interrupting me |
| 23:26.16 | Angayelle | looks like my addon is taking up memory and it's growing to some point after which it reset and restart |
| 23:26.52 | syrae | Amarande: I usually concuss, trap and I haven't had a problem with most stuff I grab, including stuff that fears |
| 23:28.28 | Angayelle | hat ways do i have to know where the leak is ? other than watching the code ? |
| 23:28.30 | Amarande | btw, is tame beast 10 seconds normally or is that because I'm BM? |
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| 23:29.38 | nobgul | Umm |
| 23:29.56 | nobgul | There is a command to watch it ish. Forget what it is though.. |
| 23:30.07 | nobgul | You could use a memory profiler as well |
| 23:31.14 | Angayelle | will try that, idling in shatt it goes up to 4mb then reset |
| 23:31.37 | nobgul | How big does the useage get? |
| 23:31.54 | Angayelle | no more than 4meg |
| 23:32.02 | nobgul | >_< |
| 23:32.17 | Angayelle | unless you mean something else |
| 23:32.19 | nobgul | Are you worried about further leaks? I mean cause 4 meg is not much |
| 23:32.58 | Angayelle | well i made it for low end specs so i'd like it as clean as possible |
| 23:33.42 | nobgul | What type of addon is it if you don't mine me asking. |
| 23:33.59 | Angayelle | it's just some tank frames with an onupdate at 0.1 secs |
| 23:34.16 | Angayelle | very much like ora2 |
| 23:34.16 | nobgul | What are u updating that quickly? |
| 23:34.25 | Angayelle | hp bars |
| 23:34.56 | nobgul | Don't you think 0.1 is a bit overkill? Just wondering. |
| 23:35.02 | Angayelle | made with textures and set width |
| 23:35.05 | nobgul | I think i have mine set to .8 or something |
| 23:35.21 | Angayelle | it could i haven't setted up that part for good |
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| 23:35.55 | Kraps | ohhhhhh champions online isnt f2p YET |
| 23:35.56 | nobgul | Got ya. Was just wondering =) I would think that a fast on updaate like that would use more cpu cycles then ram |
| 23:36.38 | Angayelle | i don't especially understand why it would reset memory usage by itself |
| 23:36.58 | nobgul | taking out the trash? |
| 23:37.02 | Hirsute | Sounds to me like stuff is getting garbage collected, but that's a SWAG without having looked at the code. |
| 23:37.07 | Angayelle | it takes 30 secs for a full cycle from ,othing to 4-5 meg |
| 23:37.15 | nobgul | Hirsute: same thing i am thinking |
| 23:38.22 | Angayelle | there is a command to collect garbage no ? |
| 23:38.29 | nobgul | Now I am buggin out trying to think of the command |
| 23:38.35 | nobgul | ahhhhh /eventtrace |
| 23:38.37 | nobgul | i think |
| 23:38.51 | Angayelle | it reports events firing |
| 23:38.58 | nobgul | Yer. |
| 23:39.08 | nobgul | Find yourself a nice quiet field and see whats up =P |
| 23:39.20 | Hirsute | Angayelle: I don't know. GC runs automatically, but you might be able to force it to run early if you want, but I haven't the foggiest how. |
| 23:39.44 | Angayelle | i'll document myself on that then |
| 23:40.23 | nobgul | collectgarbage() |
| 23:40.39 | nobgul | collectgarbage("collect") should do the trick |
| 23:40.48 | Hirsute | Anyone know of an addon that will display (in a bag-style interface) all my gear currently worn and in my bags, sorted by outfitter sets and items not assigned to a set? |
| 23:41.03 | nobgul | Yer |
| 23:41.08 | nobgul | carbags_niya |
| 23:41.16 | nobgul | or nivia something of that faction |
| 23:41.43 | nobgul | But that is a full bag replacment might not be what u wanted. |
| 23:41.50 | Amarande | hmm |
| 23:42.06 | Amarande | pattern for a leather hat that gives int, stam, agi, and hit |
| 23:42.10 | Amarande | is there any use for this? |
| 23:42.25 | Amarande | (it's BoP and vendor price is a pittance, so I might as well learn it when I get to 350, but ...) |
| 23:42.27 | Kraps | anyone here play eve? |
| 23:42.36 | nobgul | Amarande: I think there is a report function on collectgarbage also triggered by "count" |
| 23:42.46 | nobgul | errr ment that for Angayelle* |
| 23:42.55 | Amarande | I'm thinking with int it has to be for a druid, but I can't seem to figure out if there's a druid build for which both int and agi are desirable |
| 23:43.06 | nobgul | well |
| 23:43.14 | nobgul | agi will add spell crit |
| 23:43.23 | Amarande | agi adds *spell crit*? |
| 23:43.24 | Amarande | really? |
| 23:43.41 | nobgul | If i hover over my lvl 41 priest it does /shrug |
| 23:43.42 | Dagmar | How high are you? |
| 23:43.59 | Dagmar | Nimble fingers waggle better? |
| 23:44.01 | Amarande | Dagmar: I haven't started the toon that might use this hat yet. The LW that received the recipe is a hunter, so a leather hat's no use to her. |
| 23:44.20 | Dagmar | Depends on what level they are |
| 23:44.23 | Hirsute | nobgul: I use Baggins right now, and can display all the gear in my bags, but not the gear I'm wearing. Not finding anything that matches carbags anywhere. |
| 23:44.29 | Amarande | (In 3.0, it would have been pretty decent, but not in 4.0 with Int no longer giving AP and the Mail mastery thing) |
| 23:44.32 | Amarande | Dagmar: level 69 to use |
| 23:44.37 | nobgul | 0_o aparently high. lvl 80 resto druid. increase critical hit chance by 8.53* |
| 23:44.38 | Dagmar | Oh. Yeah useless |
| 23:44.46 | Amarande | it's the Stylin' Jungle Hat from BM |
| 23:44.57 | nobgul | Hirsute: 1 sec I think it does it i will find a link |
| 23:45.00 | Dagmar | ...or at least, it'd better have a steaming PILE of agility to compensate for losing the 5% bonus |
| 23:45.11 | Amarande | yeah, it's only 24 agi |
| 23:45.17 | nobgul | Hirsute: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info13394-cargBags_Nivaya.html |
| 23:45.34 | Amarande | I guess it might even be pretty decent on a rogue (especially with dual wielding generally being able to use all the hit it can get), but then the int's no use |
| 23:45.50 | Hirsute | nobgul: thanks |
| 23:45.51 | Amarande | otoh, I'd rather play a rogue than a cat |
| 23:45.54 | Amarande | I could never get into cat |
| 23:46.01 | nobgul | Hirsute: Np hope it's what u need |
| 23:46.12 | Amarande | which is why when two friends and I decided to all level druids together, I decided to be the healer with eventual boomkin dual spec |
| 23:46.22 | Amarande | one of them decided to take cat, and the other is going to be a bear tank |
| 23:46.31 | Amarande | which translates to "squee, Ama gets ALL the caster gear" |
| 23:46.38 | nobgul | Did the weekly last week 10 druids was fun +P |
| 23:48.31 | Hirsute | Hrmm, doesn't look like it will do what I want. Oh well. |
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| 23:50.01 | nobgul | Hrmm sorry. Thought I remembered it doing outfitter set stuffs. |
| 23:50.49 | Hirsute | nobgul: It does that, but does not include gear that I'm currently wearing. |
| 23:51.57 | nobgul | I thought that if the current gear was part of a outfitter set it would show >-< |
| 23:52.39 | Dagmar | It will on the tooltip if you have that enabled |
| 23:52.42 | Dagmar | It shows on mine |
| 23:53.47 | nobgul | I think Hirsute wants it to show in the bag frame as well. |
| 23:53.53 | Hirsute | Dagmar: what I'm looking for is an addon that will, in one window, show all the gear currently within reach (in my bags or on my person), sorted by Outfitter or Equip. Manager sets. |
| 23:53.54 | syrae | is there a list somewhere of what stuff is happening in 4.0.3a versus 4.0.3? |
| 23:54.27 | Dagmar | Hirsui: Oh good luck on that one. I've seen nothing like that |
| 23:54.44 | Angayelle | tried brokercpu, definitely a garbage problem, earler GC reset the mem usage |
| 23:54.49 | nobgul | syrae: wowwiki has a page on the api changed i think. |
| 23:55.02 | Arrowmaster | doubtful if its recent |
| 23:55.04 | nobgul | Angayelle: That means it's creating to much "Fluff" |
| 23:55.08 | Angayelle | and it seems to be related with hp update |
| 23:55.11 | Hirsute | *nod* I've thought about making a filter module for Baggins that will feed it what I'm wearing, but I haven't gotten around to yet. |
| 23:55.28 | syrae | nobgul: I was thinking of something more general such as "new race/class combos will be available in 4.0.3a", etc |
| 23:55.46 | nobgul | Ah got ya |
| 23:55.52 | Hirsute | Those won't be available until Cata itself. |
| 23:56.11 | Hirsute | If they keep with history. |
| 23:56.16 | Amarande | speaking of those new race/class combos |
| 23:56.16 | syrae | Hirsute: I heard that they'd be coming in 4.0.3a, but i haven't seen a list anywhere of what is coming when |
| 23:56.23 | nobgul | I would reckon it would be in the dbc's somewhere. |
| 23:56.27 | Amarande | do you actually have to receive your copy of Cata and activate it before you can use them, or will they simply be in 4.0.3? |
| 23:56.46 | Amarande | I ordered the CE, so I'm not sure I'll get it release day |
| 23:56.47 | nobgul | Amarande: Yes, if it is anything like BC and WOTLK |
| 23:56.49 | syrae | I have also not seen if you need to have Cata to use the new combos. |
| 23:56.57 | Amarande | nobgul: but those were entirely *new* races and classes |
| 23:57.00 | Hirsute | Race/class combos have always been a part of the expansion so far. |
| 23:57.05 | syrae | new races, yes. New class combos... I donno |
| 23:57.06 | Amarande | I'm talking about newly allowed combos of existing races and classes, like undead hunter |
| 23:57.31 | Hirsute | And that's happened with the previous xpacs as well, and always with the xpac. |
| 23:57.44 | Amarande | if you try to create an undead hunter, say, before you receive and activate cata, will it say "cataclysm required"? |
| 23:57.44 | nobgul | Yer. I don't know guess it depends on how much money blizzard wants to make =P |
| 23:57.45 | Hirsute | If memory serves |
| 23:57.58 | Amarande | or will it be a baseline 4.0.3 feature? |
| 23:58.10 | Amarande | heh. and I notice that my least favorite race is the only one denied hunters. SCORE. ;) |
| 23:58.39 | syrae | Also, when does guild leveling start? And guild achieves? Obviously you don't need Cata to get that new functionality |
| 23:58.45 | nobgul | Amarande: I am not sure you would be able to even see them. I vaguely remember on the beta when the female worgen was not advailable it was there but grey unselectable. but thats beata so |
| 23:59.14 | nobgul | syrae: The functionality is in game now. But its not "On" |
| 23:59.39 | nobgul | For guild exp anyway |
| 23:59.48 | Angayelle | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/142624 nobgul if you have some spare secs to check for obvious errors, don't go too much into it tho |
| 23:59.51 | Amarande | I already have a neutral rep bar for my guild, but I can't gain rep yet |
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