| 00:00.07 | Lulia | pfft |
| 00:00.10 | Dagmar | Go figure. |
| 00:00.16 | Lulia | There's so many people out there who shouldn't be allowed to drive |
| 00:00.18 | Lulia | That can drive |
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| 00:08.08 | Jerub | while i like the idea from a high level. |
| 00:08.25 | Jerub | you have to understand that to do a lot of damage witha computer you really need a certain amount of skill |
| 00:08.37 | Jerub | i think you should need a license to be able to have superuser access on any computer. |
| 00:08.55 | Lulia | It's just a joke really |
| 00:09.12 | Lulia | I used to work technical support at school, and people do really dumb things because they don't bother to learn BASIC things. |
| 00:09.32 | Aurorus | like 10 GOTO HELL |
| 00:09.54 | Lopeppeppy | I think I'm more dangerous with my tiny smattering of knowledge, I know just enough to nuke things. |
| 00:10.04 | A-KO | Most people don't care to learn basic things. Their lives are too filled with partying, making sure their shirts are completely lint free, making sure they're smiling at every opportunity to worry about what goes on with the tools they use. |
| 00:10.11 | Jerub | Lopeppeppy: have you ever deleted the internet? |
| 00:10.20 | Jerub | i had to go my inlaws place because they deleted the internet |
| 00:10.54 | A-KO | I was at my grandparents' tonight. Upgraded their ram to 2GB |
| 00:11.02 | A-KO | and saw that HT wasn't enabled in the bios on their system |
| 00:11.06 | A-KO | so their CPU was running half-assed |
| 00:11.21 | Thunder_Child | it has HT, it *is* half-assed |
| 00:11.28 | Thunder_Child | unless you mean the new one that works |
| 00:12.14 | Cide | I thought you deleted the internet when you put the little e with rings in the trash can |
| 00:12.49 | Lopeppeppy | Jerub, the interet is a small box. You don't delete it, you shake it or drop it |
| 00:13.04 | Lulia | hehe @ Cide |
| 00:13.58 | Kraftman | can i load part of my addon ondemand, or does it need to be a seperate addon? |
| 00:14.10 | Cide | you already know the answer |
| 00:14.17 | Kraftman | separate* |
| 00:14.22 | Cide | loading part of an addon on demand wouldn't make even the slightest bit of sense |
| 00:14.38 | Kraftman | why not? |
| 00:14.42 | Lulia | An AddOn is loaded, how would part of it load? |
| 00:14.57 | alestane | It could with a different load structure, Cide, but not with our current TOC format. |
| 00:15.03 | Kraftman | well addon.lua coudl load addonconfig.lua? |
| 00:15.11 | cbreak | there are quite a few multi-part addons |
| 00:15.19 | Cide | in separate addons, yes |
| 00:15.26 | cbreak | MSBT doesn't load it's config stuff for example |
| 00:15.27 | Lulia | Right |
| 00:15.28 | alestane | The load-on-demand characteristic applies to the whole ToC, Kraftman, that's just how it's handled. |
| 00:15.28 | Cide | like alestane says, the idea isn't bad |
| 00:15.29 | Kraftman | damn |
| 00:15.33 | Kraftman | ok, thanks :) |
| 00:15.50 | cbreak | from a user point of view it's one addon |
| 00:15.55 | cbreak | for WoW it's multiple ones |
| 00:16.03 | cbreak | (because there are multiple addon TOCs |
| 00:16.10 | Lulia | Yeah, as long as you don't go the pitbull route of like 20 different AddOns |
| 00:16.18 | cbreak | XPerl... |
| 00:16.19 | Kraftman | havn't coded in a year or so, I've forgotten a lot |
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| 00:16.23 | alestane | You can have an add-on that doesn't construct its config screens until they're opened, but all the code to do so will be loaded when the add-on does. |
| 00:16.26 | Lulia | It's really not an issue if you split an AddOn into two parts or something. |
| 00:16.52 | cbreak | WoW doesn't load the lua code or the xml for the addon until it has to |
| 00:17.03 | cbreak | (for load on demand addons) |
| 00:17.19 | Kraftman | I'll do that then |
| 00:17.38 | cbreak | wow itself uses that for some things |
| 00:18.47 | Lulia | The only time it bothers me is when it's a different AddOn for each module and I have to scroll down a whole list of *cough*pitbull*cough* addons to get to one I'm looking for. |
| 00:19.06 | cbreak | try xperl :D |
| 00:19.16 | Lulia | no thanks :-/ |
| 00:19.29 | cbreak | separate addon for every button, almost. |
| 00:19.51 | Lulia | >.> |
| 00:20.05 | Lulia | I like how grid does modular |
| 00:20.16 | Lulia | I download grid, and if I want something extra, I go download that. |
| 00:20.39 | A-KO | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0W8fBsLYHcE < WTF Japan |
| 00:20.40 | A-KO | WTF |
| 00:20.42 | A-KO | seriously |
| 00:20.43 | A-KO | WTF |
| 00:21.44 | Wobin | holy fuck what |
| 00:21.53 | A-KO | Wobin: just watch that |
| 00:21.57 | Wobin | oh god no |
| 00:22.03 | Wobin | I stopped after the button press |
| 00:22.06 | Wobin | I'm at work |
| 00:22.22 | A-KO | lol |
| 00:22.23 | A-KO | oh damn |
| 00:22.27 | A-KO | save it for later |
| 00:23.59 | alestane | A-KO: you name yourself after a character from one of the goofiest, least sensical, fan-service-centric series of the invasion and have to ask "WTF Japan"? |
| 00:24.22 | A-KO | haha alestane |
| 00:24.26 | A-KO | very few people get the reference :P |
| 00:24.47 | alestane | I played Ani-Mayhem during the brief period after it came out. |
| 00:25.49 | alestane | But for the most part, Project: A-KO was an artifact of the early invasion period; weirdly endearing to the niche market, quickly forgotten when anime went mainstream. |
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| 00:26.37 | alestane | Popular about the same period as the original Bubblegum Crisis, and published by the same company IIRC. |
| 00:28.07 | alestane | Maybe not, it's not in AnimEigo's publish list. |
| 00:28.59 | alestane | Ah no, CPM. |
| 00:32.40 | Lunessa | Bubblegum Crisis - Hightech Ct'huluoid horror. |
| 00:34.45 | alestane | In a couple places. |
| 00:35.44 | alestane | I think CPM also did "A WInd Named Amnesia." |
| 00:36.11 | Lunessa | A film that almost but not quite lived up to its promise. |
| 00:44.07 | Jerub | bwahahahaha |
| 00:44.08 | Jerub | http://i.imgur.com/HX6tg.jpg |
| 00:44.38 | alestane | That's a fairly good summary...I tend to think of it as a film that was good, except that it was missing some important unspecified piece. |
| 00:44.45 | kd3 | jerub; wtf |
| 00:45.17 | alestane | Mighty Legion, I shouldn't have scrolled that over. |
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| 00:47.23 | Tygranther | good evening |
| 00:47.47 | Tygranther | I have a question, maybe someone could help me with: |
| 00:48.48 | Jerub | kd3: :D |
| 00:49.16 | Tygranther | There is a function call made by the calendar in wow RaidMassInvite(minLevel, maxLevel, [minimum guild rank]).... is there any way to see what happens inside of that function? I understand the paramaters that it brings in, i just can't seem to find teh code behind the function. |
| 00:50.48 | Lulia | FrameXML, if it's anywhere it's there |
| 00:51.13 | Tygranther | yeah I can't figure out which file it would be in. I guess I should just do a search of all file texts. |
| 00:51.16 | Lulia | http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser |
| 00:51.27 | foxlit | http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml/go/RaidMassInvite |
| 00:51.40 | foxlit | And in that case, no you can't. |
| 00:51.46 | foxlit | C API. |
| 00:51.50 | Lulia | ah |
| 00:52.07 | foxlit | hm, or not |
| 00:55.31 | Thunder_Child | "If you don't want to camp elementals for one achievement, wait until they're camping you." me likey |
| 00:57.39 | Arrowmaster | huh? what achievement? |
| 00:59.20 | Cide | hi |
| 00:59.24 | Thunder_Child | kill one of each elemental or somesuch |
| 00:59.51 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster: http://db.mmo-champion.com/a/4887/tripping-the-rifts/ |
| 01:00.13 | Lulia | When the event goes into full swing |
| 01:00.20 | Lulia | There will be tons of elementals spawning |
| 01:00.26 | Lulia | It won't be hard to get, I promise |
| 01:00.30 | Lulia | But you have to travel cities |
| 01:00.36 | Lulia | Alliance is SW and IF |
| 01:00.40 | Lulia | Horde is Org and TB |
| 01:01.05 | Lulia | Wind and Water for TB and SW |
| 01:01.14 | Lulia | Fire and Earth for Org and IF |
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| 01:11.08 | Tygranther | I was incorrect the name of the function is CalendarMassInvite |
| 01:11.49 | Tygranther | and I can find the call in the Calendar lua, but I cannot find anywhere a writeout of what it specifically does |
| 01:12.34 | Tygranther | What I am wanting to do is overwrite it so that it accepts different parameters. But I want to keep MOST of it's functionality |
| 01:14.55 | Duman | hmm |
| 01:15.17 | foxlit | Tygranther: it's still a C function. |
| 01:15.34 | foxlit | You cannot find it because it's not written in Lua; nor can you trivially modify it. |
| 01:16.07 | Tygranther | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:17.06 | Tygranther | Thank you foxlit |
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| 01:23.27 | mojosdojo | jnwhiteh: Clique is taining some secure headers |
| 01:23.49 | Hirsute | heh |
| 01:24.24 | Hirsute | Blizz is tainting some secure headers, and letting addons get blamed for it. Not saying it isn't actually Clique in this case, but wow is full of Blizz taint right now. |
| 01:24.28 | alestane | Depending on where you're seeing this, it may not be Clique's problem. |
| 01:24.59 | mojosdojo | I get a paste up, one moment |
| 01:25.19 | mojosdojo | http://paste.wowace.com/2783/ |
| 01:26.42 | Hirsute | The heck did you do, hide 10 gigs of code in that page somewhere? Taking forever to load for me. |
| 01:26.58 | mojosdojo | that's wowace |
| 01:27.05 | mojosdojo | took ages for me too |
| 01:27.55 | mojosdojo | maybe a 140kb log was a bit hefty ;) |
| 01:28.23 | Hirsute | What where you doing when the errors happened? |
| 01:28.48 | Jerub | i had a really bizarre one last week, when removing a glyphi got a message about an addon being stopped from doing something, so i clicked disable. |
| 01:28.56 | Jerub | the addon was dbm. did the rest of the raid without it. |
| 01:29.11 | mojosdojo | UI tweaks mostly |
| 01:29.58 | mojosdojo | Open up AceConfig, BlizzConfig, casting a few spells at a dummy |
| 01:30.06 | mojosdojo | something like that |
| 01:30.26 | Hirsute | It's very possible it's one of blizz's many globals-that-should-be-locals |
| 01:30.56 | Seerah | mojosdojo: you could make sure you're using the latest version ClearAttributes is on line 538, not 539, for me) |
| 01:32.04 | Seerah | unless the taintLog stack trace is referencing a line and then saying which function it's in.... |
| 01:32.22 | Seerah | (which is different from the normal error stack traces) |
| 01:32.47 | mojosdojo | Yeah, I run the release not the latest alpha |
| 01:33.23 | Seerah | latest alpha? |
| 01:35.18 | mojosdojo | CC gives me a newer version when I set Clique to alpha |
| 01:35.27 | Seerah | have no clue why |
| 01:36.58 | mojosdojo | my version is 1.2.11, which is latest |
| 01:37.12 | Seerah | *nod* |
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| 02:17.25 | Kraps | chewy cookies = best snack ever |
| 02:17.53 | Shirik | Cide: ping |
| 02:18.25 | Cide | pong |
| 02:18.42 | Shirik | Cide, what is the best data structure in Python for something like this |
| 02:19.13 | Shirik | We have a client-server model |
| 02:19.25 | Cide | okay |
| 02:19.27 | Shirik | a request id and some string |
| 02:19.36 | Shirik | we need to store this away so that we can look up the string by ID |
| 02:19.52 | Shirik | so I was thinking like dynamically sized array but there could be holes |
| 02:19.56 | Cide | um |
| 02:19.57 | Cide | dict? |
| 02:19.59 | Shirik | dictionary works |
| 02:20.03 | Shirik | but can we dynamically add entries? |
| 02:20.07 | Cide | yes |
| 02:20.09 | Shirik | ok |
| 02:20.10 | Cide | it's like a lua table |
| 02:20.10 | Shirik | thanks |
| 02:20.16 | Cide | without the array part |
| 02:20.20 | adys_ | ~ping |
| 02:20.20 | purl | ~pong |
| 02:20.54 | Cide | defaultdict is also a cool variation if you need it sometime |
| 02:21.26 | Cide | it takes a nullary function in its constructor and calls it whenever you access a key that's not in it |
| 02:22.12 | Cide | so you can do like defaultdict(list) and instantly start appending items |
| 02:22.24 | Cide | dct = defaultdict(list); dct['foo'].append("bar") |
| 02:22.29 | Cide | ^ no KeyError |
| 02:22.54 | Cide | likely not very applicable to your current demands though |
| 02:25.12 | Kraps | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=27495542734&pageNo=3&sid=1#41 |
| 02:26.07 | Xyphoid | presumably the elemental rift one |
| 02:27.07 | Xyphoid | you can do it now by finding rifts that open hourly, but apparently the same rifts show up in cities later in the event |
| 02:32.34 | Kraps | ahahahah http://wowuidev.pastey.net/142406 |
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| 02:47.01 | Shirik | but cide |
| 02:47.04 | Shirik | I can do |
| 02:47.10 | Shirik | dict["foo"] = "bar"? |
| 02:47.30 | Cide | yes |
| 02:47.44 | Shirik | but dict["foo"] would raise an error |
| 02:47.48 | Cide | no |
| 02:47.54 | Cide | because dict["foo"] is accessing |
| 02:47.57 | Cide | and requires it to be set |
| 02:48.06 | Cide | dict["foo"] = "bar" invokes the set method, never get |
| 02:48.14 | Shirik | there's two methods? |
| 02:48.16 | Cide | and doesn't require it to be set (but it can be) |
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| 02:48.20 | Cide | internally, yes |
| 02:48.24 | Shirik | python is so weird |
| 02:48.28 | Cide | wtf |
| 02:48.34 | Cide | it's just like c++ in that regard |
| 02:48.37 | Shirik | no |
| 02:48.41 | Cide | if you set something that invokes operator= |
| 02:48.47 | Cide | if you get something that invokes operator[] or whatever |
| 02:48.50 | Cide | no? |
| 02:48.53 | Shirik | no |
| 02:48.56 | Cide | why not |
| 02:48.58 | Shirik | it invokes operator[] and then operator= |
| 02:49.07 | Cide | meh |
| 02:49.27 | Cide | there are still two methods |
| 02:49.30 | Cide | the distinction is small! |
| 02:49.41 | Shirik | except if operator[] raises an error you would never get to operator= |
| 02:49.56 | Shirik | in C++ they get around this by creating the key if you use operator[] and the key doesn't exist |
| 02:50.05 | Shirik | and that's why it's dangerous to do something like `if (a == b[c])` |
| 02:50.16 | Jamash | in lua __index only gets called if the corresponding table entry doesn't exist |
| 02:50.22 | Jamash | which I find odd |
| 02:50.39 | Cide | Shirik: and thus we get to the conclusion that the python model is smarter. |
| 02:50.47 | Jamash | but __newindex always gets called |
| 02:51.05 | Cide | no |
| 02:51.13 | Cide | __newindex only gets called if the key was previously nil |
| 02:51.15 | Cide | err value |
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| 02:51.22 | Cide | i.e. if the key wasn't set |
| 02:51.45 | Cide | afaik anyway |
| 02:51.53 | Xyphoid | it's pretty easy to do now in outland |
| 02:51.53 | Xyphoid | you can get to one of each rift in a couple of minutes when they're up |
| 02:52.13 | Jamash | hmm, I guess you're right |
| 02:52.27 | Jamash | I find it odd that it doesn't always get called in either case |
| 02:52.58 | Cide | for performance iirc |
| 02:53.10 | Jamash | performance can bite me, I want flexibility |
| 02:53.16 | Cide | then use a proxy table |
| 02:53.18 | Jamash | I am |
| 02:53.19 | Cide | if you really need it |
| 02:53.25 | Cide | you very rarely do |
| 02:53.27 | Cide | so that's why |
| 02:53.32 | Jamash | make it an option then |
| 02:54.03 | Cide | lua isn't very expressive :P |
| 02:54.08 | Jamash | true |
| 02:54.56 | Jamash | xfire is down |
| 02:55.25 | Arrowmaster | yes ive been getting spammed with messages about their planed downtime all fucking night |
| 02:55.37 | Jamash | this is somehow, some way, Fisker's fault |
| 02:55.49 | Zasurus | Hi guys. Any of you know if it is posible to load the russian client without a russian account? Do I need to connect to special servers or use russian toon names? |
| 02:56.27 | Zasurus | Wanted to make sure there was no errors in my addon for russian client but unlike the french etc I can't get in... |
| 02:56.45 | Arrowmaster | you can only use the russian client on the russian servers |
| 02:57.01 | Jamash | I think russian has a separate region from eu |
| 02:57.18 | Aurorus | lol, I wonder why... |
| 02:57.30 | Arrowmaster | yes because theyve got some weird shit involving something like 6 different names for your character |
| 02:57.40 | Aurorus | what? how so? |
| 02:57.51 | Arrowmaster | something to do with russian names |
| 02:57.59 | Zasurus | lol someone else can test it then! ;-) Will stick to the normal ppl! :-D |
| 02:59.08 | Jamash | interesting, I just logged onto one of my druids for the first time since 4.0.1 and she has the old version of thorns up |
| 03:00.10 | Zasurus | I logged into a old toon last week that had the raindeer mount buff from last xmas! ;-) |
| 03:00.16 | Jamash | ha |
| 03:00.32 | Zasurus | Guess the timer stops when you logout |
| 03:00.42 | Jamash | for a lot of effects, yeah |
| 03:00.48 | Arrowmaster | yeah almost all buffs are like that |
| 03:01.11 | Arrowmaster | debuffs keep counting down though when you are offline |
| 03:01.19 | Arrowmaster | except for certain holiday ones |
| 03:01.46 | Kaelten | http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=FZw0IwIdReU1BinBQsblZI5QMTFvNp80fKodlQ%3BFRhxKAIdfJI9CCkvGX_XD05nNDFEUmZ81HVC9Q&q=japan+from+china&sll=34.758943,-86.717039&sspn=0.016783,0.016994&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=5&saddr=china&daddr=japan |
| 03:01.50 | Kaelten | pay attention to step 42ish |
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| 03:05.02 | Cairenn | Kaelten: lol |
| 03:10.05 | Seerah | this one is impressive: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=FZw0IwIdReU1BinBQsblZI5QMTFvNp80fKodlQ;FRhxKAIdfJI9CCkvGX_XD05nNDFEUmZ81HVC9Q&q=japan+from+china&sll=34.758943,-86.717039&sspn=0.016783,0.016994&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=5&saddr=china&daddr=japan |
| 03:11.27 | Cide | you only have to jet ski 782 km? |
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| 03:11.29 | Cide | that's nothing |
| 03:11.48 | Cide | this is hilarious however |
| 03:11.57 | Cide | 46. Turn right - 57 m |
| 03:12.23 | Cide | 47. Turn left - 58 m |
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| 03:17.26 | Motig | Seerah did you see thwe walking option of that |
| 03:17.33 | Seerah | heh, no :) |
| 03:17.34 | Motig | estimated travel time |
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| 03:17.38 | Motig | 31 days and 17 hours |
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| 03:18.04 | Kaelten | hehe |
| 03:19.13 | Seerah | just noticed that my link was the china->japan one - that's not what I was looking at when I linked it :p |
| 03:19.42 | Seerah | http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=los+angeles&daddr=japan&geocode=FYqYBwIdm77z-CkT2ifcXcfCgDH0CEYlb98v4g%3BFRhxKAIdfJI9CCkvGX_XD05nNDFEUmZ81HVC9Q&hl=en&mra=ltm&sll=34.887365,-169.80929&sspn=65.992463,135.263672&ie=UTF8&ll=34.885931,-169.980469&spn=65.992463,135.263672&t=h&z=4 |
| 03:19.46 | Seerah | there. Now I did it right :) |
| 03:20.31 | Kaelten | http://edition.cnn.com/ELECTION/2010/results/individual/#CAI01 |
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| 03:20.38 | Motig | lol what! |
| 03:20.47 | Motig | Kayak across the pacific ocean |
| 03:20.53 | Motig | 2765 miles |
| 03:20.57 | Motig | *2756 |
| 03:35.53 | Arrowmaster | this some new google easter egg |
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| 03:45.31 | kd3 | hell; that's a few years old now if memory serves |
| 03:45.53 | Thunder_Child | yup |
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| 03:49.43 | Cide | the fuck |
| 03:49.58 | Cide | why does memcached not want to work |
| 03:50.00 | Cide | -_- |
| 03:50.30 | Cide | does iptables block local-to-local packets by default? |
| 03:51.40 | durcyn | no, but your distribution might |
| 03:51.58 | Cide | got an easy way to test? |
| 03:52.11 | Jerub | iptables-save -c |
| 03:52.13 | Jerub | pastebin that |
| 03:52.27 | durcyn | iptables -L |
| 03:52.32 | ZorbaTHut | god I can't wait for auctioneer to be unbroken |
| 03:52.50 | Jerub | durcyn: that will only show the filter table. |
| 03:53.14 | Cide | well really I don't care about whether or not it does |
| 03:53.27 | Cide | just need to figure out how to accept local-to-local only packets on 11211 |
| 03:53.47 | Cide | anyone got the syntax memorized? :P |
| 03:53.58 | Jerub | Cide: if you pastebin the output of that command i gave you i can tell you if you have a problem or not, and the exact command to fix it. |
| 03:54.20 | Jerub | (yes, i have the syntax memorised) |
| 03:54.43 | Cide | well it seems like I would possibly expose our server's possible security vulnerabilities to the world :P |
| 03:55.24 | durcyn | just look for a line containing: -i lo |
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| 03:56.34 | durcyn | it should just be -A INPUT -j ACCEPT, but stranger things have happened |
| 03:57.07 | Cide | meh, fuck it |
| 03:58.26 | Cide | http://pastey.net/142411-143a |
| 03:58.28 | Cide | no hax tho |
| 03:58.30 | Cide | :> |
| 03:58.47 | Jamash | that's long |
| 03:58.52 | Cide | yes it is |
| 03:58.58 | Cide | hence "fuck it" |
| 03:59.32 | Jamash | wouldn't it be nice if there was a consistent config file syntax for unix |
| 03:59.50 | Jamash | instead of every goddamn utility having its own incompatible syntax |
| 04:00.06 | durcyn | what's that have to do with iptables, Jamash |
| 04:00.25 | durcyn | also, what the hell distribution is this |
| 04:00.27 | Iriel | I dont know, I think the idea of a "one size fits all" configuration is a bit misguided |
| 04:01.22 | Jamash | durcyn: what indeed |
| 04:02.25 | Iriel | I think it comes from this.. http://www.linuxtopia.org/Linux_Firewall_iptables/x7232.html |
| 04:04.16 | Jerub | Cide: sorry, back |
| 04:04.22 | Cide | np |
| 04:04.26 | Cide | I'm lost anyway |
| 04:04.33 | Jerub | Cide: yes, you are dropping loopback packets |
| 04:04.39 | Jerub | iptables -A INPUT -i lo -j ACCEPT |
| 04:04.49 | Cide | for a specific port? |
| 04:04.54 | Jerub | no. |
| 04:05.00 | Jerub | '-i lo' means, 'from localhost' |
| 04:05.01 | Cide | if I want to accept them for a specific port |
| 04:05.12 | Jerub | (this is safe) |
| 04:05.16 | Cide | fine, then! |
| 04:06.22 | Cide | do I need to do anything else for it to take effect? |
| 04:06.59 | Jerub | no. that should be instant. |
| 04:07.16 | Jerub | iptables -L INPUT -nv will show counts of packets that hit that rule |
| 04:07.38 | Jerub | if it's not hitting that rule, then it might be too far down the INPUT chain, and you can insert it at the start by using -I instead of -A to put it at the start |
| 04:07.51 | Jerub | i.e. 'iptables -I INPUT -i lo -j ACCEPT' |
| 04:11.22 | Cide | now it's hitting those |
| 04:11.38 | Cide | sadly getting timeout from the memcached client |
| 04:11.39 | Cide | sigh |
| 04:13.16 | Kraps | http://kotaku.com/5680106/ea-medal-of-honor-didnt-meet-our-quality-expectations |
| 04:17.31 | Shirik | what part of "EA is shit" do they not understand? |
| 04:18.20 | Thunder_Child | the 'shit' part |
| 04:20.10 | Napoleone | wow storm out of nothing here lol |
| 04:22.36 | Kraps | i kinda like the game |
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| 04:33.20 | Napoleone | havent played it.. got enough in wow and MW2 |
| 04:35.11 | Kraps | will you get black ops |
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| 04:40.31 | Napoleone | nop |
| 04:40.45 | Napoleone | dedicating more to assassins creed brotherhood and wow ;P |
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| 04:48.29 | Kraps | assassins creed brotherhood! |
| 04:48.40 | Kraps | not on pc yet :( |
| 04:50.47 | Mirrormn | tell me when it gets ported to PC |
| 04:50.54 | Kraps | no u |
| 04:50.59 | Mirrormn | (and then gets torrented =S) |
| 04:51.14 | Jerub | rage. |
| 04:51.30 | Jerub | stupid goddamn book publishers. |
| 04:51.40 | Kraps | Mirrormn: was the drm cracked? |
| 04:52.15 | Mirrormn | huh? |
| 04:53.00 | Mirrormn | the drm of what? |
| 04:53.12 | Kraps | brotherhood |
| 04:53.16 | Kraps | um |
| 04:53.19 | Kraps | AC2 |
| 04:53.24 | Mirrormn | oh, yes |
| 04:53.34 | Mirrormn | I played a torrented version of AC2, it was flawless |
| 04:53.59 | Mirrormn | (and a very good game) |
| 04:54.36 | Kraps | oh i know it is |
| 04:55.09 | Corrodias2 | good to hear; i was thinking about playing it some day |
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| 04:55.52 | Kraps | pirates! |
| 04:57.20 | Jerub | Kraps: pirates are awesome people. |
| 04:57.20 | Napoleone | 18. nov right |
| 04:57.45 | Jerub | if it weren't for pirates we would still be seeing movies in australia 2-3 years after their cinematic debut in the states |
| 04:57.47 | Napoleone | AC is worthy of buying |
| 04:58.01 | Napoleone | lol or like i denmark |
| 04:58.15 | Napoleone | 4 years after we call season 3 for the NEW SEASON of house |
| 04:58.47 | Jerub | yeah |
| 04:58.51 | Jerub | shit like that |
| 04:59.07 | Jerub | piracy in australia really lit a fire under the tv stations |
| 04:59.07 | Napoleone | but scary enough fringe is 2 days behind here |
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| 04:59.33 | Jerub | something bizarre like 60% of people were watching new release tv on bittorrent instead of on tv. it was actually causing ratings to plumet |
| 04:59.43 | Napoleone | ye |
| 05:00.39 | Napoleone | hate that theres maintenance everytime i want to script ;P |
| 05:01.55 | Mirrormn | I wonder what would happen if a content publisher just made a torrent of their own show but with commercials left in |
| 05:01.59 | Kraps | watching fringe right now |
| 05:02.02 | Kraps | on hulu |
| 05:02.10 | Jerub | Mirrormn: it would be downloaded and watched by millions of people around the world. |
| 05:02.17 | Jerub | provided it was 720 or 1080p |
| 05:02.41 | Jerub | the commercials would be skipped over of course, and hitting the worng market |
| 05:02.57 | Mirrormn | but there would inevitably also be a version with advertisements stripped out |
| 05:03.21 | Napoleone | but its funny how they have the antipirate crap on retail videos..... because the pirates GET THOSE ADS lol... thats wrong marketing |
| 05:03.38 | Mirrormn | nah |
| 05:03.58 | Mirrormn | those adds are not trying to get pirates to be like "oh herp derp they told me not to pirate, I better stop" |
| 05:04.36 | Mirrormn | it's to keep people who do pay for retail videos from wanting to put their foot in the door, so to speal |
| 05:04.39 | Mirrormn | *speak |
| 05:05.12 | Napoleone | but if i pay for a video i dont want obligatory trailers and pirate ads before watching my movie |
| 05:05.19 | Mirrormn | but, the fact that such announcements are generally unskippable and annoying |
| 05:05.21 | Napoleone | so i rip all my dvds and let that shit hit the trash can ;P |
| 05:05.31 | Mirrormn | I do agree that they have a high probability of having the opposite effect |
| 05:06.13 | Kraps | Napoleone: you wouldnt steal a bus |
| 05:06.46 | Napoleone | well in my area what 99% are doing is the same as stealing the bus lol |
| 05:06.55 | Napoleone | Kraps you would'nt steal a nuke |
| 05:07.05 | Napoleone | same argumentation lol |
| 05:07.20 | Napoleone | in my area they call it the worst ghetto in denmark. |
| 05:07.52 | Jerub | unskippable antipiracy ads are the one thing that makes a mockery of the whole thing |
| 05:08.00 | Kraps | Napoleone: you wouldnt steal a a baby carriage |
| 05:08.05 | Napoleone | and the busses in this town(main town + suburbs) you get fined hard for not having a ticket.. but you enter in the back or middle so its your own responsibility to have one |
| 05:08.07 | Jerub | i hate those 'you wouldn't steal' ads soooo muuuch |
| 05:08.12 | Kraps | WITH THE BABY STILL IN IT |
| 05:08.25 | Jerub | because the definition of theft is you depriving someone else of something |
| 05:08.34 | Jerub | downloading movies is copyright violation, not theft. |
| 05:08.59 | Napoleone | hmm but you can turn that around... if i payed for the baby.. do i get it with ads? or what? |
| 05:09.08 | Mirrormn | depriving someone else of something is a component of theft, but not the whole definition |
| 05:09.26 | Napoleone | theft is you stealing a movie before release and releasing it under you name ;P |
| 05:09.45 | Kraps | YOU WOULDNT STEAL A SPACE SHUTTLE |
| 05:10.00 | Napoleone | you know what.. if i oculd get away with it.. i would ;P |
| 05:10.24 | Napoleone | think about rebuilding a spaceshuttle as escapevehicle in your house... ;) mega cool master bedroom |
| 05:10.27 | Mirrormn | I dunno if I would steal a space shuttle even if I could get away with it |
| 05:10.31 | Mirrormn | wtf would I do with it |
| 05:10.41 | Motig | you'd LIVE in it |
| 05:10.46 | Napoleone | dood ITS A FUCKING SPACESHUTTLE:.. hehe |
| 05:10.47 | Motig | iot's space shuttle |
| 05:10.59 | Napoleone | WHO else has a spaceshuttle |
| 05:10.59 | Mirrormn | but it would be ridiculously cramped |
| 05:11.00 | Motig | *it's a |
| 05:11.02 | Napoleone | hehe |
| 05:11.04 | Aurorus | and when you're done, you burn it on the side of some back-street atmosphere :P |
| 05:11.14 | Mirrormn | plus a lot of the systems are probably only designed to work well in zero-g |
| 05:11.17 | Napoleone | use it as a car... ;) |
| 05:11.28 | Mirrormn | I don't think you could |
| 05:11.38 | Mirrormn | I think it's heavy enough that it breaks roads |
| 05:11.50 | Mirrormn | although now that I think of it that's probably only with rockets |
| 05:11.53 | Motig | well you can always resell on ebay... |
| 05:12.07 | Mirrormn | you'd just get arrested if you tried to sell it =/ |
| 05:12.12 | Aurorus | black market |
| 05:12.20 | Mirrormn | that's a possibility |
| 05:12.23 | Motig | where would you hide it |
| 05:12.32 | Napoleone | in my basement ;P |
| 05:12.47 | Mirrormn | "The actus reus of theft is usually defined as an unauthorised taking, keeping or using of another's property which must be accompanied by a mens rea of dishonesty and/or the intent to permanently deprive the owner or the person with rightful possession of that property or its use." |
| 05:13.00 | Kraps | YOU WOULDNT STEAL A BASEMENT |
| 05:13.11 | Mirrormn | I would probably steal a basement |
| 05:13.16 | Napoleone | pirated movies arent stealing |
| 05:13.21 | Mirrormn | cause a basement would be real easy to hide |
| 05:13.29 | Mirrormn | no, pirating movies is definitely not stealing |
| 05:13.32 | Motig | just put it in your.. basement? |
| 05:13.36 | Napoleone | hehe |
| 05:13.40 | Jerub | Mirrormn: yeah, sounds like what armchair lawyers have told me in the past. |
| 05:13.51 | Mirrormn | well I assume that if you steal a basement, you didn't already have a basement |
| 05:14.00 | Motig | what if you wanted 2 basemenrsa |
| 05:14.03 | Motig | basements |
| 05:14.03 | Mirrormn | but even if you did, you could just put it under your current basement |
| 05:14.09 | Jerub | for instance, if you take someone's car, go shopping iwth it, fill it back up with petrol, then return it, that's a whole raft of offenses, but theft isn't one of them. you didn't steal the car. |
| 05:14.18 | Mirrormn | and at that point you would basically have an Underground Complex |
| 05:14.18 | Motig | isn't the basement the lowest floor? |
| 05:14.24 | Mirrormn | no |
| 05:14.32 | Mirrormn | basement is below ground floor |
| 05:14.38 | Mirrormn | well |
| 05:14.44 | Mirrormn | I guess you could call that "lowest" |
| 05:14.50 | Jerub | (that's a relevent example, it's quite common in lower socioeconomic areas of australia for your car to be stolen so they can go shopping. |
| 05:14.53 | Napoleone | but if you kept the car... and didnt return it.. and said it was your own... then its stealing |
| 05:15.11 | Jerub | it'll be then returned 2 streets over from where you left it. |
| 05:15.18 | Aurorus | party time everyone!!!! |
| 05:15.26 | Mirrormn | o-/-< |
| 05:15.27 | Aurorus | mother goddess has gone to sleep |
| 05:15.29 | Cairenn|afk | :p |
| 05:15.31 | Mirrormn | o-|-< |
| 05:15.33 | Aurorus | ohh shit |
| 05:15.33 | Cairenn|afk | spanks Aurorus |
| 05:15.36 | Mirrormn | o-\-< |
| 05:15.38 | Mirrormn | YEAH |
| 05:15.47 | Mirrormn | o->-< |
| 05:15.52 | Mirrormn | o-<-< |
| 05:15.55 | Aurorus | woot Mirrormn |
| 05:15.56 | Mirrormn | o->-< |
| 05:16.03 | Kraps | METAL \m/ |
| 05:16.32 | Mirrormn | (source - http://bash.org/?4281 ) |
| 05:17.25 | Mirrormn | yeah I fucking provided a citation for my antics |
| 05:17.27 | Mike-N-Go | Sub-basement? |
| 05:18.13 | Kraps | Mirrormn: did you see the last line :p |
| 05:23.32 | Napoleone | in tga black is transparent right? |
| 05:23.49 | Dagmar | Oh SWEET |
| 05:24.02 | Dagmar | Blizzard finally did something about kodo douchbaggery |
| 05:24.15 | Dagmar | There's an invisible box around the Earthen Ring NPC |
| 05:24.22 | Jerub | Dagmar: heh |
| 05:24.23 | Napoleone | ? |
| 05:24.30 | Napoleone | lol thats ol news |
| 05:24.32 | Jerub | Napoleone: people standing on top of the questgiver ona kodo |
| 05:24.37 | Jerub | makes it impossible to hand quests in |
| 05:24.43 | Napoleone | i want em to fix the resize worldframe water bug |
| 05:24.46 | Arrowmaster | thats what nameplates are for |
| 05:24.47 | Jerub | what used to happen on the kirin tor 'X must die' questgivers |
| 05:25.07 | Napoleone | people use to do that on mailboxes ;P |
| 05:25.08 | Jerub | people would stand there on a convention of mammoths |
| 05:25.28 | Dagmar | Napoleone: Exactly *how* is that supposed to be "old news". |
| 05:25.39 | Napoleone | I've known about it since ptr ;P |
| 05:25.59 | Dagmar | That still doesn't make it old news. |
| 05:26.15 | Napoleone | what color in textures are transparent again? |
| 05:26.19 | Napoleone | white or black? |
| 05:26.46 | Napoleone | what they should do instead is adding hitboxes to everyone. ;P |
| 05:26.51 | Dagmar | You know what *is* old news? |
| 05:26.56 | Napoleone | makes anvigating in cities a pain in the ass ;) |
| 05:26.59 | Dagmar | How transparency works in targa. |
| 05:30.58 | Mirrormn | hoo hoo |
| 05:31.37 | Mirrormn | targa files have a transparency channel but wow has a blend mode for textures that treats black values as transparent |
| 05:31.41 | Lulia | You mean how I can't get it to work in photoshop? |
| 05:31.42 | Lulia | :P |
| 05:35.30 | Napoleone | Mirrormn by opening one of my other files i remembered ;P |
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| 05:40.11 | Napoleone | can anyone put different words on how backdrop insets work? |
| 05:40.40 | Napoleone | if i put a new border on the minimap. i get an edge outside.. even though the edge of the border is solid white. |
| 05:47.32 | Shirik | This is actually how I envision chat between a group of female friends: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROk7c-l34UI#t=6m30s |
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| 06:00.48 | Hirsute | ~pil |
| 06:00.48 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 06:01.39 | Mirrormn | watching anime fills me with a profound yet incomprehensible sadness |
| 06:01.47 | Mirrormn | as if my soul is being pulled away from me |
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| 06:03.04 | Shirik | anime is awesome |
| 06:03.06 | Shirik | you take that back |
| 06:03.08 | Shirik | kd3, sic him |
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| 06:03.36 | Mirrormn | oh I still watch anime |
| 06:03.56 | Napoleone | i watch manga |
| 06:03.57 | Mirrormn | of what value is a soul when compared to mild transitory amusement |
| 06:04.00 | Napoleone | anime is too porn ish ;P |
| 06:04.20 | Mirrormn | wat |
| 06:05.56 | Napoleone | thats how i always saw it |
| 06:06.47 | Napoleone | hmma religions nut about the exodus...: i dont have proof, but i have evidence...... |
| 06:07.01 | Napoleone | I'm thinking... isnt the proof evidence.. and evidence is the proof |
| 06:09.52 | Mirrormn | the hell are you talking about? |
| 06:10.10 | Napoleone | National geographic. Riddles of the Bible. season 1 ep3. about exodus |
| 06:11.17 | Napoleone | some religios nut saying : i dont have proof, but i have evidence...... |
| 06:11.38 | Napoleone | and m own reply is that isnt the proof the evidence and vice versa |
| 06:12.05 | Mirrormn | no? |
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| 06:12.53 | Napoleone | if he have evidence of it... then that is the proof of it |
| 06:13.00 | unfo- | depends on the weight of the evidence vs the thing to be proven |
| 06:13.49 | unfo- | Napoleone, that evidence might be evidence of something else that just incidentally looks like evidence for your case -- as i said, it depends |
| 06:14.07 | Napoleone | ye.. but it is a doc about the exodus |
| 06:14.32 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: you see the new Macross F movie yet? |
| 06:14.44 | Shirik | no :( |
| 06:14.48 | Shirik | I really have no time lately |
| 06:14.59 | Arrowmaster | i watched it yesterday |
| 06:15.05 | Arrowmaster | took forever to download though |
| 06:15.38 | Arrowmaster | 2 hour movie, 1080p bluray rip, 12 fucking GB in size |
| 06:15.47 | Jamash | evidence of evidence is not absence of absence |
| 06:16.38 | Mirrormn | that makes more sense than it really should |
| 06:16.56 | Jamash | indeed |
| 06:24.27 | batrick | Shirik: anime sucks |
| 06:25.01 | Shirik | Nice Arrowmaster |
| 06:25.24 | Shirik | When I get my new place to live one of the first things I'm working on is my anime collection |
| 06:25.31 | Shirik | I'll finally have a place to put it |
| 06:27.04 | batrick | Shirik: chess? |
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| 06:32.06 | batrick | Shirik: bet you like today's xkcd |
| 06:33.02 | Mirrormn | I... don't get it |
| 06:33.12 | batrick | it's an EE joke |
| 06:33.16 | unfo- | i was really shitty with electronics, plz elaborate :) |
| 06:33.25 | unfo- | diode is both ways? |
| 06:33.28 | batrick | current flows one way in a diode |
| 06:33.33 | unfo- | oh oneway |
| 06:33.45 | Mirrormn | I... still don't get it |
| 06:33.47 | unfo- | oh right... le*d* |
| 06:34.02 | unfo- | Mirrormn, she didn't hear him |
| 06:34.11 | unfo- | Mirrormn, things travelled only her -> him |
| 06:34.50 | Mirrormn | huh |
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| 06:35.39 | Mirrormn | I don't see how that's supposed to be discernible by the dialog |
| 06:35.47 | unfo- | the diode |
| 06:35.53 | unfo- | one-way |
| 06:36.27 | Mirrormn | so if you know how a diode works |
| 06:36.46 | batrick | hence, "it's an EE joke" |
| 06:37.01 | Mirrormn | it still isn't obvious that that's supposed to apply to their conversation |
| 06:37.07 | Mirrormn | not to me anyway |
| 06:37.09 | unfo- | Mirrormn, have you read xkcd? most of the jokes are in-jokes of some subdivision of science |
| 06:37.20 | Mirrormn | I've read all of them, yes |
| 06:37.23 | Shirik | batrick: nice |
| 06:37.38 | batrick | let's play chess shirik |
| 06:37.45 | batrick | we haven't played chess in probably a year |
| 06:37.49 | Shirik | I need to sleep |
| 06:37.50 | batrick | i'm fuckign sad about that |
| 06:37.55 | batrick | sleep is overrated |
| 06:38.04 | batrick | literally, it's like rated 1200 |
| 06:38.08 | batrick | should be 500 |
| 06:38.09 | unfo- | ;) |
| 06:38.11 | batrick | totally n00b |
| 06:38.25 | Mirrormn | whenever I encounter a webcomic I like, I end up reading every single comic in succession non-stop |
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| 06:40.50 | frontendloader | Mirrormn: I tried that once with 8-bit theatre |
| 06:41.15 | frontendloader | there are over 1000 comics in that series now I think ~10-15 panels per |
| 06:41.49 | Mirrormn | well you gotta have determination |
| 06:42.09 | Mirrormn | I did 1700 episodes of quetionablecontent a couple weeks ago |
| 06:42.13 | Mirrormn | that took about 18 hours |
| 06:42.18 | batrick | jesus |
| 06:42.30 | Mirrormn | I have an obsessive personality =S |
| 06:42.37 | batrick | is depressed Shirik won't play chess with me. :( |
| 06:42.40 | Shirik | :( |
| 06:42.44 | Shirik | maybe this weekend |
| 06:42.54 | batrick | ur such a tease shirik |
| 06:42.55 | Jamash | ffffffffffffffffffff |
| 06:43.03 | batrick | we all know you will be safeguarding wikipedia during the weekend |
| 06:43.09 | batrick | the 4 chan kiddies r out in force |
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| 09:14.33 | mitch0 | . |
| 09:16.03 | krka | ./ |
| 09:18.58 | Kalroth | \o/ |
| 09:21.14 | mikma | .,!,, (O_o) ,,!,. |
| 09:24.34 | unfo- | (\_/) |
| 09:24.34 | unfo- | (o.O) .o( ) |
| 09:24.34 | unfo- | (> <) |
| 09:30.58 | Eluna | ( . )( . ) |
| 09:31.05 | Eluna | ( o ) |
| 09:31.50 | Kalroth | thats one fat bunny |
| 09:31.58 | unfo- | ¯\(°_o)/¯ |
| 09:34.03 | Eluna | {=^.^=} meow~~! |
| 09:37.15 | jnwhiteh | Did the Clique 'taint' issue get resolved yesterday? |
| 09:37.31 | jnwhiteh | Anyone key him in on the fact its because he's making changes to the config during combat? =) |
| 09:39.34 | jnwhiteh | he's not here, so I can't help :P |
| 09:43.48 | mitch0 | jnwhiteh: hey! could you tell me your repo location(s) (again) ? :) |
| 09:43.57 | jnwhiteh | go to curseforge |
| 09:43.59 | jnwhiteh | they're all there |
| 09:44.04 | mitch0 | ok |
| 09:44.08 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 09:44.19 | mitch0 | any news on the .staticIcon thing for tomtom? |
| 09:44.30 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 09:44.33 | jnwhiteh | i have not had time |
| 09:45.46 | mitch0 | also, could you change the default textcoords to something meaningful when initializing tomtom's ldb? it paints garbage for a blip before settling down on a "normal" arrow now (as you set it initially to 0, 1, 1, 0 or somesuch) |
| 09:46.07 | jnwhiteh | sell, I :SetTexture() and then update the texcoords |
| 09:46.15 | jnwhiteh | but yeah I'll trty o make the changes |
| 09:46.17 | jnwhiteh | its not at the top of my list tho |
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| 09:46.24 | jnwhiteh | feel free to give me a patch that does what you need |
| 09:46.30 | jnwhiteh | I have quite a bit on right now... |
| 09:46.49 | mitch0 | fair enough |
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| 09:49.46 | angayelle | hai people |
| 09:50.45 | angayelle | looks like "RAID_ROSTER_UPDATE" is the event to watch to fire something upon entering a raid, this i was concerned about it firing too often |
| 09:51.35 | zenzio | do you want to know when YOU join/leave a raid, or when someone else joins/leaves your raid? |
| 09:51.53 | angayelle | just me |
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| 10:15.42 | Fisker | slaps jnwhiteh around a bit with a large trout |
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| 10:19.12 | angayelle | oh jnwhiteh gimme that amazon link of yours, lost it |
| 10:19.21 | A-KO | told people prop 19 wouldn't pass |
| 10:19.22 | A-KO | lol |
| 10:20.07 | mitch0 | jnwhiteh: meh, blp... can't worksy with that |
| 10:20.26 | A-KO | wow |
| 10:20.27 | A-KO | Voters have the opportunity to change the state's official name from "State of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations" to just "Rhode Island." |
| 10:20.28 | jnwhiteh | why not? |
| 10:20.31 | A-KO | ^^ people voted no |
| 10:20.32 | A-KO | lol |
| 10:20.52 | mitch0 | jnwhiteh: I don't have any tool that can convert it to a workable format |
| 10:20.55 | jnwhiteh | angayelle: http://astore.amazon.com/worofwarproag-20/detail/0470481285 |
| 10:21.01 | mitch0 | jnwhiteh: also, not on a mac |
| 10:21.05 | jnwhiteh | mitch0: http://wowprogramming.com/utils/blp2png |
| 10:21.08 | jnwhiteh | always been there |
| 10:21.34 | angayelle | just make a variable : local rhode_island = "State of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations" |
| 10:21.35 | mitch0 | jnwhiteh: also, what is the Arrow.m2? |
| 10:21.50 | jnwhiteh | a model |
| 10:22.05 | jnwhiteh | i used to use it for the minimap |
| 10:22.14 | mitch0 | ah, ok. no need to bother with that then |
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| 10:43.35 | angayelle | ok, ordered, now a want a pony drawing inside too, possible ? |
| 10:43.41 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 10:43.55 | jnwhiteh | yes, but not even remotely like;lyu |
| 10:44.09 | angayelle | awww |
| 10:44.22 | jnwhiteh | so Towers of Midnight |
| 10:44.23 | jnwhiteh | how about that? |
| 10:45.40 | mitch0 | imma fighting with cropping a single arrow from your Arrow.png jnwhiteh... hope you feel bad. (also, the converted images is 512x512, but it doesn't add up (it should be 504x504) |
| 10:45.55 | jnwhiteh | no, it should be 512x512 |
| 10:46.02 | jnwhiteh | every single image is forced to be a power of 2 on each side |
| 10:46.04 | jnwhiteh | so .. |
| 10:46.06 | angayelle | cause otherwise you'll get green square |
| 10:46.13 | angayelle | muahahaha |
| 10:46.22 | mitch0 | jnwhiteh: but your arrows are 42x56 |
| 10:46.26 | Fisker | we recently just renamed one of our cities from århus to aarhus |
| 10:46.27 | jnwhiteh | so? |
| 10:46.30 | jnwhiteh | it still has to be a power of 2 |
| 10:46.34 | jnwhiteh | the actual file |
| 10:46.38 | jnwhiteh | those are the rules |
| 10:46.49 | Kalroth | *puts foot down* |
| 10:46.54 | mitch0 | so, you had a 504x504 file and scaled it up to 512x512? |
| 10:46.58 | jnwhiteh | cropping one of the arrows out should be a simple matter, really |
| 10:47.02 | jnwhiteh | no? |
| 10:47.07 | mitch0 | then I don't get it |
| 10:47.14 | jnwhiteh | what don't you get? |
| 10:47.16 | mitch0 | looking at the code |
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| 10:47.26 | mitch0 | I see you crop x*42 / 512 |
| 10:47.31 | angayelle | he had a big image and moved the tex coords |
| 10:47.46 | angayelle | amirite ? |
| 10:47.47 | jnwhiteh | yes, that selects the 'xth' column |
| 10:47.55 | mitch0 | yes, but it doesn't add up :) |
| 10:48.07 | jnwhiteh | then you're looking at it wrong |
| 10:48.08 | jnwhiteh | it works =) |
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| 10:48.46 | mitch0 | actually, your last column's end will fall out of the image |
| 10:49.01 | mitch0 | local xend = ((column + 1) * 56) / 512 |
| 10:49.01 | jnwhiteh | here's the image for reference |
| 10:49.03 | jnwhiteh | http://wowprogramming.com/utils/blp2png/ad92ed28117acf52628f962d2c8de1eb.png |
| 10:50.16 | jnwhiteh | they are 56 pixels wide and 42 tall |
| 10:50.38 | jnwhiteh | there are nine colums, which is less than 56 |
| 10:50.41 | jnwhiteh | err 512 |
| 10:50.49 | jnwhiteh | with the excess being on the right-hand-side of the canvas |
| 10:50.51 | jnwhiteh | so why is that a problem? |
| 10:51.02 | mitch0 | nah, I mixed up x and y. lemme try again |
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| 10:51.13 | jnwhiteh | you should not need to do anything with any of this. |
| 10:51.19 | jnwhiteh | just crop out the top-left 56x42 |
| 10:51.24 | jnwhiteh | i can do it for you if you need |
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| 10:52.37 | mitch0 | well, I thought to grab the [1:1] image, as that's the one you use for the "no waypoint" thing |
| 10:52.50 | mitch0 | also, I need to tint it to green |
| 10:52.55 | jnwhiteh | that can be done in the api |
| 10:53.06 | jnwhiteh | what do you mean the [1:1] image? |
| 10:53.13 | mitch0 | texcoords["1:1"] |
| 10:53.14 | jnwhiteh | oh, row 1 column 1 |
| 10:53.36 | mitch0 | jnwhiteh: I need a simple icon I can embed into a fontstring |
| 10:53.38 | angayelle | you can apply a tint using setvertexcolors on rgb file ? i thought you needed a grayscale one |
| 10:54.25 | jnwhiteh | mitch0: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/642175/Boxee_bad_video.mp4 |
| 10:54.29 | jnwhiteh | err |
| 10:54.31 | jnwhiteh | not tha tone =) |
| 10:54.46 | jnwhiteh | mitch0: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/642175/arrow-cropped.png |
| 10:54.50 | jnwhiteh | color it however you'd like. |
| 10:55.14 | jnwhiteh | blue perhaps? |
| 10:55.16 | jnwhiteh | I dunno |
| 10:55.23 | mitch0 | nah, green |
| 10:55.26 | jnwhiteh | green and red mean something in TomTom |
| 10:55.27 | jnwhiteh | heh |
| 10:55.41 | mitch0 | it's gonna be just an icon in the config options ;) |
| 10:55.46 | jnwhiteh | k |
| 10:56.54 | mitch0 | ok, now I need to scale it to 64x64... |
| 10:56.58 | mitch0 | and tint it green |
| 10:57.18 | jnwhiteh | i would scale it DOWN |
| 10:57.18 | jnwhiteh | not up |
| 10:57.25 | mitch0 | to 32x32 |
| 10:57.26 | mitch0 | ? |
| 10:57.34 | jnwhiteh | if its in a fontstring, that's MORE than enough |
| 10:57.36 | jnwhiteh | same with NinjaPanel |
| 10:57.43 | Slaren | if it helps, gridstatusdirectionarrows has all the arrows separated to a different file and resized to 64x64 |
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| 10:57.57 | mitch0 | har har |
| 10:58.07 | jnwhiteh | he's not being facetious |
| 10:58.08 | mitch0 | slaren: couldn't you show up like half an hour ago? :) |
| 10:58.10 | jnwhiteh | its probably the same arrow |
| 10:58.10 | haste | jnwhiteh: nice miss-paste! |
| 10:58.15 | harl | wuff wuff |
| 10:58.15 | jnwhiteh | and you coudl grab one |
| 10:58.21 | jnwhiteh | haste: it was a video that crashed boxee |
| 10:58.40 | jnwhiteh | i sent it to them as a bug report |
| 10:58.42 | jnwhiteh | and they ignoredi t =) |
| 10:58.53 | mitch0 | totally offtopic: kdenlive looks awesum. gonna replace my VirtualBox editing hopefully) |
| 10:59.04 | mitch0 | slaren: thanks. will check |
| 11:05.30 | haste | jnwhiteh: I was just reading into the name |
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| 11:22.47 | mitch0 | can I create a patch with git that includes newly added binary files somehow? |
| 11:27.19 | zenzio | http://ugliesttattoos.failblog.org/2010/11/02/funny-tattoos-drink-bear/ |
| 11:33.43 | haste | mitch0: just use format-diff and --binary? |
| 11:33.53 | haste | s/diff/patch/ |
| 11:34.07 | mitch0 | haste: I managed to already commit my stuff to my local repo |
| 11:34.26 | mitch0 | it's just one commit. how would I create a usable patch from that? :) |
| 11:34.31 | mitch0 | I'm a total git noob |
| 11:34.40 | Fisker | when did Blizzard start using port 1119 and 1120 for WoW? |
| 11:34.44 | Fisker | wasn't it like in the real id patch? |
| 11:35.05 | haste | mitch0: git format-diff --binary origin/master |
| 11:35.22 | haste | mitch0: I'm guessing btw, I don't know where you are in history and what you want to push |
| 11:35.23 | cbreak_work | why do you want to use a patch? |
| 11:35.39 | mitch0 | I want to send it to jnwhiteh |
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| 11:35.50 | cbreak_work | it-s format-patch, but... I'd use push |
| 11:35.54 | adys_ | Cide you fail |
| 11:35.58 | cbreak_work | or some intermediate repo |
| 11:36.08 | haste | format-patch works |
| 11:36.16 | haste | I managed to write format-diff in my example again |
| 11:36.27 | haste | this is what happens when you rely on auto-completiong :P |
| 11:36.31 | mitch0 | yeah, worksy, thanks |
| 11:37.09 | mitch0 | actually... |
| 11:37.25 | mitch0 | it seems it only has the image in it |
| 11:37.54 | haste | format-patch creates a diff with the commit information |
| 11:38.03 | cbreak_work | git log --stat |
| 11:38.09 | cbreak_work | does the commit contain what you want? |
| 11:38.15 | haste | so it should have everything between your master and origin/master |
| 11:38.16 | cbreak_work | if not, git commit --amend it |
| 11:38.26 | haste | git show is also great for checking |
| 11:38.32 | cbreak_work | yeah. or git log -p |
| 11:38.33 | haste | if it's the last commit |
| 11:38.54 | cbreak_work | but --stat gives a shorter overview :) |
| 11:39.47 | mitch0 | meh, no. somehow it failed to commit the lua changes |
| 11:40.28 | mitch0 | let's try again... |
| 11:41.10 | cbreak_work | you know how to do it in git? |
| 11:41.12 | cbreak_work | git add filename |
| 11:41.16 | cbreak_work | then git commit |
| 11:41.19 | mitch0 | that part worked |
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| 11:41.29 | cbreak_work | you have to add all changes, even if the file is already tracked |
| 11:41.32 | Cide | hi |
| 11:41.32 | mitch0 | but it didn't commit the lua changes when it committed the add |
| 11:41.44 | cbreak_work | you didn't add the changes then |
| 11:42.05 | mitch0 | git add *.lua? |
| 11:42.11 | cbreak_work | if you want |
| 11:42.20 | cbreak_work | you can also add git add -p |
| 11:42.30 | cbreak_work | (which I really like, but that's probably overkill for you) |
| 11:42.46 | cbreak_work | it's powerful for real programming |
| 11:42.56 | mitch0 | we're getting there |
| 11:43.18 | mitch0 | (I'm a real programmer, just haven't used git before) |
| 11:43.46 | zenzio | okay, Red Shirt Guy made it to the front page of the second largest Norwegian online news site |
| 11:44.05 | cbreak_work | git addons are probably not big enough to need git add -p |
| 11:44.10 | cbreak_work | I mean wow addons |
| 11:44.18 | Cide | that's almost like getting to the news of kotaku.com zenzio |
| 11:44.19 | Cide | almost |
| 11:44.38 | zenzio | Cide: I'm more thinking "today must be a really slow news day" |
| 11:44.46 | Cide | that too |
| 11:44.47 | zenzio | but Norwegian media is... weird |
| 11:48.09 | angayelle | there is nothing that refrain me from declaring two fonstring inside one frame in xml, provided i use a different name for eah ? |
| 11:48.13 | angayelle | each |
| 11:48.28 | Cide | no? |
| 11:48.31 | Cide | why don't you try it |
| 11:48.52 | angayelle | i tried and it didn't worked so i wondered if there was something that could prevent me in wow |
| 11:48.52 | Cide | it probably takes you less time than asking that question |
| 11:48.56 | adys_ | Cide you fail |
| 11:49.00 | Cide | just your own badness |
| 11:49.02 | Cide | no you fail |
| 11:49.06 | adys_ | no you fail :( |
| 11:49.08 | Cide | you fell asleep didn't you |
| 11:49.13 | adys_ | kinda |
| 11:49.36 | angayelle | now i need to check my code more thouroughly, knowing that it should work |
| 11:49.44 | mitch0 | jnwhiteh: patch sent |
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| 11:52.34 | mitch0 | & (food) |
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| 12:14.15 | zenzio | http://whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com/ (only the domain name seems NSFW) |
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| 12:20.34 | zenzio | ohaithere peppy! |
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| 12:26.26 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, zenzio. |
| 12:26.30 | Lopeppeppy | How's the things? |
| 12:27.49 | zenzio | not bad. Working on a more fun project at work now than I have recently, thankfully |
| 12:32.27 | Lopeppeppy | Yay for enjoying work! *hug* |
| 12:32.47 | zenzio | how's yours? Any more baby-eating politicians? |
| 12:33.39 | Lopeppeppy | They all got their rations last night, and I'm working on figuring out how many more I need to feed them to get them to go to bed and shut up. |
| 12:33.59 | angayelle | hmmm i wonder if a character name in wow can be "nil", could be funny |
| 12:34.19 | zenzio | pretty sure it can be; only capitalised |
| 12:34.26 | Computerpunk | angayelle, it's a string first of all. |
| 12:34.26 | Computerpunk | :p |
| 12:34.39 | Computerpunk | Only case where I see it going wrong, is using: |
| 12:34.42 | Computerpunk | lua> print(type(nil)) |
| 12:34.43 | lua_bot | Computerpunk: nil |
| 12:34.55 | zenzio | why? |
| 12:35.02 | zenzio | lua> print(type("nil")) |
| 12:35.02 | lua_bot | zenzio: string |
| 12:35.17 | Computerpunk | not on string case. |
| 12:35.31 | Computerpunk | I know players are only returned as strings. |
| 12:35.31 | zenzio | a character name never changes from a string in lua |
| 12:35.56 | Computerpunk | I was thinking on different grounds. |
| 12:36.05 | zenzio | I see |
| 12:36.43 | zenzio | I'm surprised how many weird characters (unicode? Not sure about the details) WoW allows; like the German double-S and stuff |
| 12:36.53 | Fisker | big woop zenzio |
| 12:37.16 | unfo- | weird characters?-D |
| 12:37.46 | unfo- | umlauts are quite necessary if you want a german version of the game; also for scandinavian players umlauts are quite good :) |
| 12:37.49 | Lopeppeppy | non-standard-keyboard characters, there to make people feel special, or to make them harder to report for asshattery. |
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| 12:37.52 | zenzio | I didn't say anything about umlauts |
| 12:38.02 | angayelle | umlauts are devil, i tell you |
| 12:38.04 | Computerpunk | Umlauts are ASCII. |
| 12:38.10 | Computerpunk | Probably UTF encoding, who knows. |
| 12:38.12 | Jamash | are not |
| 12:38.16 | angayelle | ascii devil, right |
| 12:38.16 | Computerpunk | They allow Chinese/Korean/Russian chars. |
| 12:38.32 | unfo- | Computerpunk, no they are not. |
| 12:38.32 | zenzio | iso-8859-1 |
| 12:38.32 | unfo- | what he said ^ |
| 12:38.43 | Computerpunk | ë <- alt + 153? |
| 12:38.48 | Computerpunk | 137* |
| 12:39.11 | Jamash | ASCII is 0-127 |
| 12:40.01 | unfo- | US-ASCII is 7bit |
| 12:40.13 | Computerpunk | Oh. |
| 12:40.14 | Computerpunk | I see. |
| 12:40.26 | Computerpunk | Dunno why I thought it's 0-255 |
| 12:40.34 | Computerpunk | sleep depriving makes me look bad. |
| 12:40.34 | Computerpunk | :, |
| 12:40.35 | unfo- | Computerpunk, coz 8bit is till 255 |
| 12:40.43 | zenzio | :-) |
| 12:40.52 | unfo- | Computerpunk, and usually ppl talk that byte = 8 bits => confusion :) |
| 12:41.14 | Computerpunk | iirc, unsigned chars go to 255. |
| 12:41.17 | Computerpunk | In C++. |
| 12:41.29 | Jamash | yes |
| 12:41.29 | Computerpunk | Therefore, I thought ASCII is 0-255. |
| 12:42.45 | Jamash | ASCII predates 8-bit bytes |
| 12:44.46 | Fisker | omg omg |
| 12:44.53 | Fisker | sandy bridge is going to be so cheap |
| 12:44.58 | Fisker | must...not...buy |
| 12:45.40 | Kalroth | pls sandy bridge smp hack!1 |
| 12:46.15 | Kalroth | is there an smp mobo that can use two 950's, Fisker?! |
| 12:50.49 | Kraps | so the "not-a-witch" platform lost |
| 12:51.04 | Kraps | did she try being a witch? |
| 12:52.13 | Jamash | maybe that would have worked better |
| 12:52.22 | Kraps | yeah |
| 12:52.28 | Kraps | witches are cool |
| 12:52.49 | Jamash | it's sad that batshit crazy candidates are now the norm in us politics |
| 12:53.59 | Computerpunk | Jamash, you showed us a problem. |
| 12:54.03 | Fisker | i'm loving this Kalroth |
| 12:54.05 | Computerpunk | I give you a solution: Move to Eruope. |
| 12:54.06 | Fisker | also you Kraps |
| 12:54.08 | Computerpunk | Europe* |
| 12:54.36 | Jamash | Batshit crazy candidates are already the norm in EU politics |
| 12:54.47 | Kraps | ^ |
| 12:54.50 | Fisker | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=15042237441&sid=1#5 <-makes me giggle |
| 12:54.58 | Computerpunk | Not everywhere. |
| 12:54.59 | Computerpunk | ;D |
| 12:55.34 | Fisker | btw Kalroth fuck smp |
| 12:55.45 | Kalroth | fuck intel for not making cheaper six cores |
| 12:55.50 | Fisker | true that |
| 12:55.55 | Kalroth | i want more than 4 cores!! |
| 12:56.12 | Computerpunk | go go fisker |
| 12:56.16 | Fisker | i might just upgrade to Sandy Bridge for the damn EFI support |
| 12:56.19 | Jamash | I demand seventy-three cores |
| 12:56.20 | Fisker | i want |
| 12:56.42 | krka | jnwhiteh: already finished ToM? wasn't it released yesterday? |
| 12:56.46 | Kalroth | efi? |
| 12:56.56 | Fisker | oh rly? |
| 12:57.11 | Fisker | EFI is a replacement for the BIOS |
| 12:57.13 | Fisker | :o |
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| 12:58.11 | Fisker | when they change globally to EFI they'll have to make the interrupt key (i.e. enter setup/boot menu, etc.) a standard since you won't have time to read it |
| 12:58.12 | Fisker | BAM |
| 12:59.46 | cbreak_work | macs use EFI since a few years |
| 13:00.07 | cbreak_work | (and they use among other things intel server grade CPUs) |
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| 13:00.32 | Fisker | ^^ cbreak_work |
| 13:00.40 | Fisker | I hate macs |
| 13:00.59 | Fisker | But at work i went past this mac where the computer is in the monitor |
| 13:01.03 | Fisker | turned it on |
| 13:01.08 | Computerpunk | cbreak_work, could I ask you how your nick originated? |
| 13:01.10 | Computerpunk | o_o |
| 13:01.15 | Fisker | and i'm betting it booted faster than my computer did, and i even have an SSD |
| 13:01.16 | Fisker | :o |
| 13:01.27 | Computerpunk | wtb ssd |
| 13:01.27 | Computerpunk | :< |
| 13:01.46 | cbreak_work | Computerpunk: cbreak, and I am at work |
| 13:01.57 | Jamash | sexually-selected disease? |
| 13:02.07 | Fisker | solid state drive |
| 13:02.10 | Fisker | or disk |
| 13:02.12 | Fisker | your pick |
| 13:02.14 | Jamash | seven-sided die |
| 13:02.36 | Computerpunk | cbreak_work, I mean, the cbreak part. |
| 13:03.11 | cbreak_work | code breaker sounded too cheesy :) |
| 13:03.19 | Computerpunk | ;D |
| 13:03.20 | Computerpunk | k |
| 13:03.24 | Jamash | I thought it stood for ctrl-break |
| 13:03.41 | cbreak_work | I picked it when I was 13... |
| 13:05.27 | Jamash | so, last year? |
| 13:05.36 | mitch0 | and a year later you still haven't found anything better? |
| 13:05.38 | cbreak_work | I wish |
| 13:05.43 | mitch0 | gah, damn jamash :P |
| 13:06.07 | Jamash | har |
| 13:06.55 | Kraps | http://artoftrolling.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/1975af7a-a6ed-4184-990b-b7dcadebcf64.jpg |
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| 13:11.31 | Jamash | http://static.mmo-champion.com/db/img/screenshots/1558.jpg sword, or shark? |
| 13:12.14 | MoonWitch|Mobile | shark quite clearly |
| 13:12.53 | Lopeppeppy | Shark! |
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| 13:20.01 | unfo- | you take the g away from grape |
| 13:20.18 | unfo- | or, on a different note: you make the g in grape silent |
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| 13:30.57 | zenzio | "Singletons: Solving problems you didnât know you never had since 1995" - I like this title |
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| 13:55.21 | zenzio | http://static.mmo-champion.com/db/img/screenshots/1562.jpg - that's quite a... weapon you've got there |
| 13:55.40 | Lopeppeppy | *purr* |
| 13:55.53 | krka | Sirocco? Is that some sort of pun? |
| 13:56.01 | Lopeppeppy | I seriously do not want to spend my day testing in IE. Rawr to this. |
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| 13:56.10 | zenzio | krka: the name sounded familiar to me, but I can't place it |
| 13:56.36 | Lopeppeppy | sirocco is a sort of jet-stream wind in the Mediterranean. |
| 13:56.42 | farmbuyer | ^ |
| 13:57.00 | farmbuyer | shows up in the original Dune novels a lot |
| 13:57.04 | krka | that too, but the suffix rocco on that picture O_o |
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| 13:58.15 | Lopeppeppy | Rock hard, rock on, rocco wind. |
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| 14:02.16 | purl | seerah <~Ryan@adsl-66-38-148.mem.bellsouth.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 10h 42m 30s ago, saying: 'there. Now I did it right :)'. |
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| 14:35.59 | Kraftman | o_O |
| 14:36.28 | Lopeppeppy | My interwebs. You get off. Shoo. |
| 14:39.26 | zenzio | people have been getting off on the intarwebs since the 90s |
| 14:39.45 | Lopeppeppy | eew, messy |
| 14:40.00 | zenzio | the intarwebs have always been messy |
| 14:40.06 | Lopeppeppy | PS., I didn't need to add that to my picture of you, zenzio. :P |
| 14:40.34 | zenzio | I never said that I do |
| 14:40.47 | Lopeppeppy | Too late, it cannot be unseen! |
| 14:41.14 | zenzio | but I always turn off my webcam beforehand |
| 14:41.33 | Lopeppeppy | Excellent news. *wink* |
| 14:45.42 | Fisker | i want to kill people Lopeppeppy |
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| 14:48.34 | alestane | "I love you all, where's my squirt bottle..." |
| 14:49.31 | Lopeppeppy | Fisker dear, I don't need any stew meat right now, take a cold shower instead. |
| 14:50.52 | Fisker | did you see my salad? |
| 14:53.56 | Kraftman | i just downloaded the three stages of 3.3 - 4 patch but i cant run them, do i need to combine them somehow? :/ |
| 14:55.23 | Fisker | should just have started over Kraftman |
| 14:55.41 | Kraftman | what do you mean? |
| 14:56.29 | Fisker | Run the 4.0.1 online installer |
| 14:56.57 | Kraftman | i tried that but its really slow, so i thought it'd be quicker to try the mirrors from wowwiki |
| 14:57.09 | Fisker | try disabling p2p |
| 14:57.16 | Kraftman | i did :/ |
| 14:57.23 | Fisker | then you has issues |
| 14:58.07 | Fisker | anyway you need stage 4 |
| 14:58.29 | Kraftman | oh yeh >< |
| 14:58.54 | cog|work | MORNING |
| 14:59.09 | Fisker | you wish cog|work |
| 14:59.17 | cog|work | no i wish it was afternoon |
| 15:00.31 | Fisker | but it is |
| 15:00.46 | cog|work | NO U! |
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| 15:05.43 | TC-Work | i wish it was the weekend |
| 15:05.58 | TC-Work | i also wish Fisker was a woman |
| 15:07.20 | mitch0 | also, wtf that a lvl51 rogue one-shots my lvl55 resto druid :( |
| 15:07.33 | Elkano | well, if Fisker was the last woman on earth, mankind would be doomed... |
| 15:07.39 | TC-Work | mitch0: wellcome to my pvp life latly |
| 15:07.42 | TC-Work | lately* |
| 15:07.49 | TC-Work | welcome* |
| 15:07.51 | TC-Work | *sigh* |
| 15:07.55 | mitch0 | :) |
| 15:08.17 | TC-Work | i'm in the 60's but same thing 61 rogue can 2 shot my 66 dru |
| 15:08.31 | mitch0 | I mean, I wouldn't moan that much if he were at least even level, but come on, 4 levels lower and ambush crits me to instadeath? |
| 15:09.08 | mitch0 | also, what was the point of changing thorns? |
| 15:09.44 | Kalroth | they stung |
| 15:10.21 | Arrowmaster | you think thats bad you should have seen me when i was leveling my rogue |
| 15:10.53 | Arrowmaster | near end of TBC i was 60 on my rogue with a HWL sword and sub spec back before they nerfed the fuck out of cheat death |
| 15:11.13 | TC-Work | mitch0: i think it does more dmg now however |
| 15:11.44 | mitch0 | yeah, but for like 10secs? |
| 15:11.58 | mitch0 | and I guess it's on GCD |
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| 15:32.04 | Shirik | batrick |
| 15:32.08 | Shirik | I am looking at TI assembly code right now |
| 15:32.17 | Shirik | it is quite possibly the ugliest code ever, even for assembly code |
| 15:33.28 | Fisker | no Shirik |
| 15:33.34 | Shirik | yes Fisker |
| 15:33.47 | Fisker | denied Shirik |
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| 15:38.29 | Torhal | Fisker: Join #wowpedia |
| 15:38.31 | Torhal | Oh...wait... |
| 15:38.34 | Torhal | :D |
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| 15:48.46 | Legorol|alt | What's the relationship between wowwiki and wowpedia? |
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| 15:48.53 | Legorol|alt | Which one are we supposed to use? |
| 15:48.59 | Lunessa | station |
| 15:49.11 | farmbuyer | wowpedia |
| 15:49.15 | Fisk3r | so Torhal |
| 15:49.22 | alestane | Sounds like WoWPedia was founded by a bunch of WoWWiki people who got fed up with the hosting. |
| 15:49.24 | Volaan | wowwiki |
| 15:49.55 | Fisk3r | wikia should just scrape wowpedia |
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| 15:49.58 | Fisk3r | that would be fucking awesome |
| 15:49.59 | farmbuyer | pretty much, yeah. Wikia.com turned too facist, so most of the editors copied all the content (yay CC lic) and left. |
| 15:50.27 | Legorol | right, so wowpedia has all the same stuff as wowwiki? |
| 15:50.31 | zenzelezz | Legorol: I think it goes roughly "Wikia doesn't (didn't?) care what Wowwiki wanted, so we split to Wowpedia" |
| 15:50.33 | Legorol | is it going to keep it in sync? |
| 15:50.42 | Fisk3r | it split off |
| 15:50.46 | Legorol | right |
| 15:50.50 | farmbuyer | Legorol: no, no syncing unless editors do it by hand |
| 15:50.51 | Legorol | so now the content on the two will diverge :S |
| 15:50.58 | farmbuyer | yep. |
| 15:51.00 | Legorol | that's just spliffy |
| 15:51.11 | Legorol | especially because people will still keep typing wowwiki into their browser |
| 15:51.20 | Fisk3r | wikia should just sync their content from wowpedia |
| 15:51.22 | Fisk3r | =pwnt |
| 15:51.23 | Legorol | how does wowpedia plan to redirect users to them |
| 15:51.33 | farmbuyer | and the wowwiki version is slowly dying, the number of edits has dropped significantly. eventually the rest of the world will figure it out and update. |
| 15:51.42 | Legorol | ok |
| 15:51.52 | MoonWitch | I have updated since :) |
| 15:51.54 | farmbuyer | word of mouth, same as any wiki builds a community |
| 15:52.01 | MoonWitch | hell made an account to edit stuff on wowpedia |
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| 15:52.05 | Volaan | hmm...yeah, atm wowpedia in the URL input redirects to wowwiki.com |
| 15:52.16 | MoonWitch | yeah |
| 15:52.27 | MoonWitch | slightly annoying |
| 15:52.31 | nicoli_s | alestane:thats exactly what happened with wowpedia |
| 15:52.40 | nicoli_s | they got tired of all the aggressive ads and such on wowwiki |
| 15:53.03 | Volaan | ah, i don't get the ads on wowwiki thanks to Adblockplus addon for FF |
| 15:53.13 | nicoli_s | yeah like they are adding site skins and stuff\ |
| 15:53.16 | nicoli_s | which is a little much for a wiki |
| 15:53.21 | farmbuyer | Volaan: which URL input exactly? I'm looking at wowpedia right now |
| 15:53.54 | Volaan | i just typed "wowpedia" directly into the firefox url spot and hit enter...it resolved to wowwiki.com |
| 15:54.05 | Volaan | i guess redirected wasn't the proper term really |
| 15:54.12 | farmbuyer | oh that |
| 15:54.22 | Fisk3r | that's because wowwiki is the top spot for wowpedia on google :P |
| 15:54.24 | nevcairiel | thats just using the google first hit thing |
| 15:54.34 | Volaan | yeah, but I did add wowpedia to my search engines and that's usually what i use anyway |
| 15:54.36 | nevcairiel | google picked up on the wowpedia announcement on wowwiki |
| 15:54.37 | Volaan | so..no worries |
| 15:54.46 | farmbuyer | the discussion about moving to wowpedia was held *on* a wowwiki page, so until google figures it out, wowwiki is probably a bigger target for mentions of "wowpedia" :-) |
| 15:54.57 | Volaan | true |
| 15:56.24 | foxlit | To be fair, it's a discussion about moving away from wowwiki :) |
| 15:56.48 | Volaan | so..wowpedia is ad free? |
| 15:57.08 | foxlit | So the actual forum topic doesn't pick up that much weight; the main page is just coasting on the number of incoming links. |
| 15:58.28 | Lunessa | wowpedia.org - if you skip the domain, you get the wrong site. |
| 15:58.30 | nevcairiel | Volaan: it might not be 100% free, but it wont have annoying ads all over the place, or adspace in articles |
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| 15:58.41 | foxlit | For about another month, at least. |
| 15:58.57 | Volaan | hah |
| 15:59.20 | Volaan | well, as I stated, I use Adblock Plus for Firefox...usually good to get rid of most pesky adverts on sites |
| 15:59.33 | nevcairiel | the in-article ads kinda stayed on wowwiki though |
| 15:59.38 | nevcairiel | at least parts of them |
| 15:59.39 | Volaan | so..not too worried, just wondering if it's worth supporting and moving away from wowwiki |
| 15:59.40 | nevcairiel | which was annoying |
| 15:59.58 | nevcairiel | wowwiki lost most of their active contributors, you figure it out :) |
| 15:59.59 | Lunessa | The problem with the ads on the new skins at wowwiki was that they completely broke the article layout and flow. |
| 16:00.28 | foxlit | [have you tried editing anything on wikia? The box is now wider than my typical browser window and can't be resized :/] |
| 16:00.36 | farmbuyer | wikia was also about 3 weeks away from removing some of the more popular skins used by wowwiki people, in favor of a more ad-friendly default. |
| 16:00.48 | nevcairiel | skins are overrated |
| 16:01.02 | foxlit | as long as they work. |
| 16:01.09 | foxlit | This, however, is a trainwreck |
| 16:02.13 | farmbuyer | doh. you know you've been editing too much when you hearth to dalaran, type ":wq" and then wonder why you're not logging out. |
| 16:02.45 | Fisk3r | conflict of interest foxlit |
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| 16:03.29 | batrick | Shirik: probably, yes |
| 16:03.43 | batrick | I dont' think TI knows how to innovate with calculators anymore |
| 16:04.09 | Fisk3r | What do you need calculators for anyway? |
| 16:04.15 | zenzelezz | are they still making new models? |
| 16:04.20 | batrick | probably |
| 16:04.24 | Flowyk | is there way to get AceConfig tree from AceGUI UI? |
| 16:04.25 | batrick | the faceplates need to look shinier |
| 16:05.19 | Volaan | batrick: exhibit A http://hackaday.com/2010/08/23/indestructible-ti-89/ |
| 16:05.36 | batrick | that was on slashdot wasn't it |
| 16:05.41 | Volaan | aye |
| 16:06.41 | batrick | graphing calculators are going to be replaced by shit like the ipad because TI is sitting on their hands |
| 16:07.06 | foxlit | batrick: I'd like to see an exam that allows you to use an iPad :P |
| 16:07.08 | Volaan | pff..ipad = shit?! |
| 16:07.12 | Volaan | .../agree |
| 16:07.27 | batrick | I'd like to see an exam that doesn't allow calculators |
| 16:07.38 | batrick | most of my math exams didn't allow them |
| 16:07.38 | Volaan | it pains me every time someone buys an iPad |
| 16:07.59 | nevcairiel | I havent had a math exam that didnt allow calculators. They just didnt allow programmable calcs |
| 16:08.45 | foxlit | buys an iPad. |
| 16:08.52 | batrick | most of the TI-X calculators can be programmed with answers/notes |
| 16:08.54 | batrick | it's dumb |
| 16:09.01 | batrick | the restrictions don't make sense |
| 16:09.09 | Volaan | cringes in pain |
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| 16:09.40 | batrick | anyway |
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| 16:14.49 | MoonWitch | batrick, we were allowed to use it in every exam (hell, I even used my calc for French once) |
| 16:15.09 | batrick | because of the notes? |
| 16:15.24 | MoonWitch | no, we just put it on our desks as standard outfit |
| 16:15.27 | MoonWitch | no one said a word |
| 16:15.35 | batrick | uhuh... |
| 16:15.49 | MoonWitch | though I was asked once and I just replied I played a puzzle game on it to calm me down |
| 16:16.10 | MoonWitch | turns out that that was a very good reason to use a calc in which I could cram half my courses in shorthand :P |
| 16:16.33 | Lopeppeppy | puts on her grumpy pants |
| 16:16.43 | Nechckn | uh oh... |
| 16:17.07 | zenzelezz | what is it with you people and wearing pants? |
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| 16:17.13 | MoonWitch | ok fine |
| 16:17.16 | Nechckn | attempts to remove said pants and replace with something more comfortable. |
| 16:17.25 | MoonWitch | takes off pants |
| 16:17.29 | Lulia | wth?? |
| 16:17.35 | batrick | i don't like where this is going |
| 16:17.43 | batrick | and it's all because Lopeppeppy HAD to put on pants |
| 16:17.50 | Volaan | i personally prefer to wear a t-shirt |
| 16:17.50 | MoonWitch | I'm still wearing my undies btw .... |
| 16:17.58 | Nechckn | quick... someone grab her other leg and pull! |
| 16:17.58 | zenzelezz | batrick: proves that pants should be kept off |
| 16:17.59 | Volaan | ...and that is all |
| 16:18.03 | batrick | indeed |
| 16:18.31 | Volaan | ..ok so not really but i still think that is one of the funniest mental images of all time |
| 16:18.35 | nevcairiel | i usually dont wear pants at home, unless i have company, or i was too lazy to take them off after coming home from work :d |
| 16:18.50 | batrick | hot |
| 16:18.55 | MoonWitch | so apparently I'm in a room with naturalists? |
| 16:18.58 | zenzelezz | you wear pants at work? |
| 16:19.02 | Lopeppeppy | I hate to wear pants too, that's why I'm grumpy. :) |
| 16:19.03 | nevcairiel | have to :( |
| 16:19.15 | zenzelezz | then you need a new workplace |
| 16:19.17 | Nechckn | the only issue with just wearing a tshirt is that the darn neck hole is in exactly the wrong spot to provide any support. |
| 16:19.22 | MoonWitch | can you imagine the mental scarring if pants weren't required? |
| 16:19.31 | Lopeppeppy | can't wear skirts, nevcairiel? |
| 16:19.43 | nevcairiel | It would look rather weird, i'm sure |
| 16:19.43 | MoonWitch | I hate skirts personally |
| 16:19.46 | cog|work | cargo kilt imo |
| 16:19.55 | MoonWitch | nev -- wear kilts :P |
| 16:20.00 | Lopeppeppy | I only wear the super long ankle length ones, none of those stupid nylons. |
| 16:20.03 | MoonWitch | kilts even allow you to go commando |
| 16:20.04 | nevcairiel | that would look weird too |
| 16:20.05 | Volaan | nice nechckn..nice |
| 16:20.08 | zenzelezz | I paid good money for these boxer shorts, people damn well better see them or they were wasted |
| 16:20.10 | Lopeppeppy | Cog, you'd be hot in a camo cargo kilt! |
| 16:20.51 | alestane | Hurloon Wrangler: The only Magic card to ever prompt the statement "In response to your declaration of attack, I remove my pants." |
| 16:20.53 | Nechckn | zenzelezz so be like all the "kool kidz" and adjust your pant waist down about a foot from normal. =) |
| 16:21.09 | zenzelezz | Nechckn: that would defeat the point of not wearing pants |
| 16:21.35 | Volaan | so..whats with the functionname(...) thing? I thought I was on the right path yesterday, but opened my wip today and that's what I'm lookin at |
| 16:21.43 | Nechckn | well, if you had to - and still wanted to have your spiderman boxers in view |
| 16:21.44 | MoonWitch | out of sheer curiosity, who other then me wears clothing all the time? (Yes, I sleep fully clothed) |
| 16:21.45 | Volaan | ..obviously i did somethin wrong |
| 16:22.12 | zenzelezz | Nechckn: you wear boxers with people on them? |
| 16:22.40 | zenzelezz | MoonWitch: how can you sleep fully clothes? I can barely sleep barely clothed |
| 16:22.42 | MoonWitch | Volaan : I totally read wip as whip :P |
| 16:22.46 | Volaan | moonwitch: i too sleep in shorts and shirt...i find i sweat excessively if i don't...which is odd in itself |
| 16:22.47 | nevcairiel | MoonWitch: you shower with clothes on? |
| 16:22.48 | Nechckn | Only when I am lucky, zenzelezz |
| 16:22.54 | Volaan | she's a nevernude |
| 16:23.03 | Volaan | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:23.06 | MoonWitch | zenzelezz: Without them, I'm freezing in bed and can't sleep. |
| 16:23.27 | zenzelezz | don't you have a duvet (or blanket, or whatever it's called)? |
| 16:23.41 | MoonWitch | nevcairiel: I used to shower in the dark, I'm finally getting to the point of showering with lights on -- but yes, I shower naked. |
| 16:23.51 | MoonWitch | Volaan: she :) |
| 16:23.55 | Volaan | so anyhow...is there something that would use function blahmyfunc(...) ? or was I just waaay off |
| 16:24.36 | MoonWitch | zenzelezz: I have a comforter (thick blanket thing with - in the olden days - feathers in it), a normal blanket on top and in sweatshirt/sweatpants with a t-shirt |
| 16:24.41 | nevcairiel | Volaan: sure why not |
| 16:25.00 | Volaan | judging from my code snippet i think i was under the impression that that was to pass arguments |
| 16:25.10 | zenzelezz | MoonWitch: then how can you be cold? Clothes actually impede spreading the heat to the blankets |
| 16:25.31 | zenzelezz | even mid-winter, it takes maybe five minutes until the blanket is nice and warm here |
| 16:25.45 | Volaan | zenzelezz: you just solved my excessive sweating quandry (: |
| 16:25.50 | MoonWitch | zenzelezz: if you do celsius -- at night my bodytemp occasionally drops to 35.8C |
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| 16:26.00 | zenzelezz | O_o |
| 16:26.04 | Volaan | lmao |
| 16:26.26 | Volaan | I now understand why I would be hotter without clothes...to explain more |
| 16:26.28 | zenzelezz | do you just have some body temperature issue; or is there something bad about your room? |
| 16:26.49 | MoonWitch | zenzelezz: I lost too much weight, my body hasn't adapted |
| 16:27.05 | MoonWitch | I'm praying (really hoping very badly) it will get better soon :P |
| 16:27.52 | Lulia | I'm having similar issues. MoonWitch |
| 16:28.00 | Lulia | I only lost about 20 to 30 pounds thoug |
| 16:28.03 | Lulia | :-/ |
| 16:28.09 | Volaan | anyway!! freals...can someone explain what myFunc(...) would do? does that pass arguments? does it do anything? I saw it somewhere in an example but cant find it again |
| 16:28.14 | MoonWitch | Lulia: I lost almost 100lbs in 4 months :) |
| 16:28.24 | Lopeppeppy | Wear what makes you feel comfy, Moonwitch. Everyone knows that Peppy and zenzelezz are the odd ones out! |
| 16:28.32 | durcyn | Volaan: ... is shorthand for all (remaining) varargs |
| 16:28.34 | Lulia | For the record: I'm a guy, but my character's name is Lulia and it's how I'm most commonly recognized. |
| 16:28.37 | Volaan | ah |
| 16:28.42 | MoonWitch | but it's why I like ya Peppy :) |
| 16:29.44 | Volaan | so if i did "args = ...;" that is legit? or no |
| 16:29.57 | Xinhuan | its legit |
| 16:30.08 | MoonWitch | Volaan: I'd LOVE to explain, but honestly it's something I am confused about as well... myFunc(arg1, arg2, ...) for example. As far as I understand, it means that IF there's other args those get passed too. |
| 16:30.09 | Xinhuan | the left side has 1 variable |
| 16:30.10 | Volaan | cool |
| 16:30.17 | Xinhuan | so the right side gets shortened to 1 variable to be assigned |
| 16:30.42 | Volaan | oooh, so it'll drop the rest of the args after the first one? |
| 16:30.47 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 16:30.51 | Volaan | it doesn't automagically make an array |
| 16:30.53 | Volaan | pew |
| 16:31.05 | Xinhuan | essentially, it has the same result as args = select(1, ...) |
| 16:31.31 | Volaan | hmm...well it seems that it would be better then to simply know what you'll be passing |
| 16:31.35 | Xinhuan | so if you want the first 3, its easy: local a, b, c = ... |
| 16:31.47 | Xinhuan | generally you do |
| 16:31.57 | Xinhuan | but what if "a" is some event |
| 16:32.02 | Xinhuan | and b, c, d..... and so on |
| 16:32.12 | Xinhuan | are vararg dependant on what "a" is |
| 16:33.14 | Volaan | but if you know it's an event why not just make it, MyFunc(MyEvent) |
| 16:33.36 | Xinhuan | because some events have more arguments passed in than others |
| 16:33.41 | durcyn | you don't always know what the args are going to be |
| 16:33.56 | Xinhuan | ... can also be used for recursion |
| 16:34.00 | Volaan | so how would you know what to do with them? |
| 16:34.17 | Volaan | other than exhaustive checking |
| 16:34.27 | Xinhuan | foo(first, ...) if first then foo(...) end end |
| 16:34.33 | Xinhuan | that would be recursive |
| 16:34.40 | Xinhuan | and shorten ... by one argument every call |
| 16:35.11 | Xinhuan | generally, you know the full list of expected stuff passed in |
| 16:35.16 | Xinhuan | so yes |
| 16:35.30 | durcyn | in the context of wow, i mostly use it for event dispatching, i.e. foo:SetScript("OnEvent", function(self, event, ...) if foo.event then foo:event(...) end) |
| 16:35.39 | durcyn | but to each their own |
| 16:35.49 | Cide | foo[event] |
| 16:35.52 | batrick | you should really use a dispatch table |
| 16:35.54 | Volaan | so would it break it to not catch all of the variables? that's where I'm seeing it would be used at least |
| 16:35.56 | durcyn | hey man don't mock my pseudocode |
| 16:35.57 | Cide | foo[event](foo, ...) |
| 16:36.01 | batrick | ^ |
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| 16:36.21 | Volaan | or, in the case of exploration so to speak...where you're testing to see what something will do |
| 16:38.00 | Volaan | hmm |
| 16:38.03 | farmbuyer | Volaan: "..." gets expanded to be the comma-separated list of whatever got passed in. After that, it's just normal Lua evaluation |
| 16:38.25 | MoonWitch | thank you farmbuyer .... this -- I understand :P |
| 16:38.58 | farmbuyer | so "a,b,c = ..." becomes "a,b,c = 17,42" which assigns a=17 and b=42 and c=nil |
| 16:38.58 | Volaan | right, but it only "catches" as many as you assign |
| 16:39.08 | Xinhuan | does my recursion example make sense to you now? |
| 16:39.12 | alestane | However, "..." is unchanged, so you can still get them. |
| 16:39.18 | farmbuyer | well... yes, sorta, but that decision doesn't get made until the actual assignment |
| 16:39.23 | farmbuyer | what alestane said |
| 16:39.32 | Xinhuan | when you pass "..." into a function call, each item in the list is one argument |
| 16:39.35 | Volaan | i got the recursion..it's a concept i'm familiar with |
| 16:39.54 | farmbuyer | you can write "firstarg = ..." in one place and then "a,b,c = ..." later in the same block |
| 16:40.20 | Volaan | ah, ok...so the ... acts as the array |
| 16:40.25 | farmbuyer | and even do "local every_damn_arg = { ... }" if you wanted to examine *all* of them at once |
| 16:40.37 | Xinhuan | ^ that would actually create a table |
| 16:40.42 | Xinhuan | with the contents of ... |
| 16:40.45 | Volaan | nice |
| 16:40.50 | nevcairiel | don't do that |
| 16:40.55 | nevcairiel | creating tables juts for that is stupid |
| 16:40.56 | farmbuyer | ... is just an expression list, the only way of creating tables (arrays, lists, etc) is with curly braces |
| 16:40.58 | nevcairiel | use select() rather |
| 16:40.59 | Xinhuan | the use of ... is generally to avoid having to create a table |
| 16:41.09 | batrick | select is evil |
| 16:41.14 | nevcairiel | better then tables! |
| 16:41.19 | batrick | maybe |
| 16:41.26 | MoonWitch | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2753479/in-lua-how-to-pass-vararg-to-another-function-while-also-taking-a-peek-at-them :) that helped me |
| 16:41.31 | foxlit | _, _, _, _, _, _, _, _, _, _, arg = ... is evil |
| 16:41.42 | Xinhuan | i wonder if tail recursion calls or a select loop is faster hehe |
| 16:41.45 | farmbuyer | that's my point, typically there's no need to create a table to use ...; I'm just saying that as an example of what ... becomes. |
| 16:42.10 | Volaan | right, well in essence ... is already a table/array |
| 16:42.14 | farmbuyer | the implementation of select() is really damn fast |
| 16:42.21 | Volaan | just without keys, so to speak |
| 16:42.21 | batrick | Volaan: expression list, not array |
| 16:42.23 | zenzelezz | I feel too sorry for _, always being used like that, so I choose global frame names instead for my throw-away names |
| 16:42.43 | batrick | farmbuyer: sure, but the function itself is slow |
| 16:42.47 | Cide | UIParent, WorldFrame, CharacterFrame, arg4 = ... ? |
| 16:42.51 | zenzelezz | yes |
| 16:42.55 | Cide | excellent |
| 16:42.57 | batrick | everytime you use it you must push every expression in teh vararg |
| 16:43.08 | zenzelezz | I'm especially fond of _G, class = UnitClass... |
| 16:43.30 | Volaan | ok one last thing to make sure i get this... |
| 16:43.38 | Volaan | if I do arg1 = ...; |
| 16:43.39 | Cide | there can only be one |
| 16:43.41 | Torhal | wonders what happens when someone who is truly clueless reads what zenzelezz is saying and actually tries to use it. |
| 16:43.46 | farmbuyer | batrick: most of us only use it once, so that's okay :-) |
| 16:44.04 | batrick | most of you use select("#", ...) to get the number |
| 16:44.06 | Volaan | then would arg2 = ...; be correct? or does ... not lose the first expression when used in this manner? |
| 16:44.08 | MoonWitch | Torhal : They screw over the entire _G table? |
| 16:44.11 | farmbuyer | okay, twice :-) |
| 16:44.12 | batrick | and then select(i, ...) to get the desired argument |
| 16:44.15 | batrick | which is very slow |
| 16:44.16 | batrick | no |
| 16:44.17 | Xinhuan | ... remains the full list |
| 16:44.21 | Xinhuan | it doesn't get shortened |
| 16:44.21 | Torhal | MoonWitch: It's ready for garbage collection at that point |
| 16:44.26 | farmbuyer | Volaan: ... is always the complete list |
| 16:44.27 | batrick | you are doing O(n^2) operations |
| 16:44.30 | Volaan | blast |
| 16:44.32 | batrick | it's is quite slow |
| 16:44.33 | Volaan | ok |
| 16:44.39 | Volaan | good to know |
| 16:44.48 | Xinhuan | the scope of ... is also function-wide |
| 16:44.58 | MoonWitch | Torhal : I think it would error .. UnitClass isn't a function without () nor is it seen as string |
| 16:45.01 | batrick | which is why a table may be preferable |
| 16:45.06 | Volaan | alright, well I'm going to go try and code something now lol |
| 16:45.06 | Xinhuan | you also cannot define a ... anywhere but as a function arg |
| 16:45.13 | batrick | despite the how much people hate creating garbage here |
| 16:45.19 | Volaan | thanks all for the clarification |
| 16:45.34 | zenzelezz | MoonWitch: it obviously wasn't a complete example, since I was just saying silly things :-) |
| 16:45.36 | Torhal | MoonWitch: He was using ellipsis to show that there was more to it but he cba to type it |
| 16:45.44 | MoonWitch | ah |
| 16:46.09 | farmbuyer | batrick: you're talking about in a loop, I think the rest of us were talking about parsing arbitrary arguments in an event handler. Different contexts mean different solutions. |
| 16:46.09 | MoonWitch | well then you have overwritten your global table with your classname :) |
| 16:46.20 | Torhal | Yes. |
| 16:46.30 | MoonWitch | Honestly, I'd try it, just to see how bad it gets :P |
| 16:46.33 | batrick | people were mixing and matching |
| 16:46.43 | Cide | I like to do |
| 16:46.45 | batrick | and yes I was talking about a loop |
| 16:46.58 | batrick | but I didn't want the new person here to think your solution is the end-all solution to the problem |
| 16:47.02 | nevcairiel | should also override getfenv just to make sure! |
| 16:47.06 | batrick | tables do make better sense in some circumstances |
| 16:47.07 | farmbuyer | absolutely |
| 16:47.20 | Volaan | bah, no to tables! that's what they said! |
| 16:47.21 | farmbuyer | MoonWitch: back up your WTF folder first :-) |
| 16:47.30 | Cide | for i = 1, select('#", ...) do local val = select(i, select(1, select(1, select(1, select(1, ...))))) end |
| 16:47.40 | MoonWitch | farmbuyer -- I wouldn't even do it on my live install ;) I have a test install set up |
| 16:47.43 | Torhal | stabs Cide with Fisker. |
| 16:47.46 | zenzelezz | Cide: score! |
| 16:47.48 | Cide | or, better |
| 16:48.02 | *** join/#wowuidev Lenvik (~Kivnel@aux.jmctech.com.au) |
| 16:48.27 | MoonWitch | Cide : wouldn't the outcome of that be 1? |
| 16:48.56 | syrae | good morning, folksen |
| 16:49.07 | Cide | for i = 1, select('#', ...) do local args = {...}; for j = 1, i-1 do args = {select(2, unpack(args))} end local val = args[1]; end |
| 16:49.17 | Cide | u liek? |
| 16:49.25 | Cide | MoonWitch: no, it's equivalent to select(i, ...) |
| 16:49.26 | batrick | oh ya |
| 16:49.37 | MoonWitch | ... confused |
| 16:49.42 | Computerpunk | sup Lulia? |
| 16:49.53 | farmbuyer | this is turning into the Lua equivalent of IOCCC |
| 16:50.06 | farmbuyer | totally okay with that :-p |
| 16:50.13 | Lulia | Not much, Computerpunk. Working on a script unrelated to Power Bars when I should be focusing on Power Bars though >.> |
| 16:50.28 | MoonWitch | I'm going to take a nap |
| 16:50.29 | Computerpunk | Lulia, my offer is still open. =D |
| 16:50.32 | MoonWitch | is cold... |
| 16:50.56 | MoonWitch | hugs Cairenn |
| 16:51.53 | Volaan | when using print() does it evaluate anything in the "" to see if it's a variable? or does it all have to be concatenated? |
| 16:52.07 | Cide | www.lua.org/pil |
| 16:52.17 | batrick | there is no string interpolation in lua |
| 16:52.21 | batrick | so no |
| 16:52.23 | Volaan | thanks |
| 16:52.33 | Cide | you can do string extrapolation though |
| 16:52.46 | Volaan | and yes...i'll stop asking simple questions, sorry |
| 16:52.47 | Cide | local alphabet = "abc..." |
| 16:53.00 | Cide | print(alphabet) => "abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz" |
| 16:53.50 | batrick | wtf |
| 16:53.56 | batrick | stop trolling Cide |
| 16:53.58 | batrick | it's unbecoming |
| 16:54.02 | Cide | trolololololled :> |
| 16:54.10 | Cide | you should have waited for someone to ask though |
| 16:54.34 | batrick | it wasn't really a bad question that could be easily answered by pil |
| 16:54.53 | Cide | true |
| 16:54.57 | Cide | other than by reading it all |
| 16:55.07 | batrick | which is unfair |
| 16:55.10 | Cide | depends |
| 16:55.25 | Flowyk | http://paste.wowace.com/2798/ |
| 16:55.28 | Flowyk | what is bad on this? |
| 16:55.30 | Cide | do you want to become the elite, or merely a sailor's young lost love? |
| 16:55.47 | Cide | does it compile? |
| 16:56.18 | Cide | yes it does |
| 16:56.37 | batrick | Flowyk: the problem is you're using Ace |
| 16:56.38 | Cide | so nothing obvious is "bad on that" |
| 16:56.48 | Lunessa | needs vodka, or gin and food. |
| 16:56.51 | Cide | transition to ct_library instead |
| 16:56.55 | Flowyk | it returns no errors |
| 16:56.56 | Cide | it's the shit |
| 16:57.06 | Flowyk | but adds no options |
| 16:57.14 | Cide | well then |
| 16:57.37 | Cide | I guess you've... run out of options. |
| 16:57.49 | batrick | ba dum tish |
| 16:57.54 | nebula169 | forgot /sunglasses |
| 16:57.59 | Lopeppeppy | has a bath tub full of gin and tonic, and she's a lemon! |
| 16:58.00 | farmbuyer | you've just put on or taken off a pair of sunglasses, haven't you? |
| 16:58.08 | Cide | both, in fact |
| 16:58.10 | Cide | at the same time |
| 16:58.19 | alestane | Going to jump in and out of it, Peppy? |
| 16:58.21 | Cide | it was that good |
| 16:58.26 | Lulia | Lopeppeppy: Cute :) |
| 16:58.44 | Cide | speaking of gin and tonic |
| 16:58.58 | Lopeppeppy | Me and Lunessa, alestane. |
| 16:59.10 | Cide | why do some bars do like "two drinks for the price of one", and when you order two gin and tonics you then get a double? |
| 16:59.17 | Volaan | anyone used GenQuestItemInfo("type", index) successfully? I can't seem to get it right |
| 16:59.20 | Cide | 12cl of gin + a bit of tonic is fucking awful |
| 16:59.30 | SNiLD | damn you and your "toni"cs :S |
| 16:59.30 | Volaan | as far as what "type" and index should be |
| 16:59.42 | Lulia | alcohol is fucking awful |
| 16:59.46 | Cide | nope |
| 16:59.50 | Lulia | :P |
| 16:59.51 | Volaan | beer = good |
| 16:59.56 | cairenn | ewww |
| 16:59.56 | cairenn | no |
| 16:59.57 | Cide | beer though is awful |
| 16:59.59 | Lulia | Euck |
| 17:00.00 | Lunessa | Cide: You need to drink in a better class of bar. |
| 17:00.05 | Volaan | good land |
| 17:00.09 | Cide | yeah, this was in bulgaria |
| 17:00.11 | alestane | Ewww, cairenn? |
| 17:00.11 | Lulia | Cairenn! |
| 17:00.12 | Volaan | beer = fantastical |
| 17:00.18 | alestane | Oh right, you said you don't care for beer. |
| 17:00.19 | cairenn | alestane: beer? yeah, ewwww |
| 17:00.35 | Lunessa | Also, I'll jump in and out of a tub of gin and tonic with you peppy, but booze tends to sting on the sensitive bits. |
| 17:00.36 | cairenn | and it cares even less for me |
| 17:00.48 | farmbuyer | good beer is awesome. other beer... <insert classic monty python joke> |
| 17:00.51 | Volaan | IPA, Porter, Ale, etc, etc...delicious |
| 17:00.51 | cairenn | a single mouthful of beer = Cairenn heaving |
| 17:01.01 | Volaan | hah |
| 17:01.02 | alestane | There exist good beers, but there also exist many dreadful beers. |
| 17:01.10 | Cide | beer is awful indeed |
| 17:01.11 | Volaan | that's how liquor is for me |
| 17:01.14 | Cide | I only do raw liquor |
| 17:01.15 | cairenn | also, good morning all |
| 17:01.28 | alestane | Good morning, mistress. |
| 17:01.34 | cog|work | there are many more good beers than bad beers, it's just that the bad ones are produced in such huge quantities |
| 17:01.45 | Lulia | hugs Cairenn. |
| 17:01.49 | Volaan | true that |
| 17:01.51 | Cide | unrelated to alcohol |
| 17:02.02 | Lunessa | I could go for a whiskey and soda right now. |
| 17:02.08 | alestane | "There exists much dreadful beer," then, cog|work. |
| 17:02.09 | cairenn | chuckles at alestane and pats him on the head |
| 17:02.09 | Cide | does anyone know how to properly create a secure auth token given a username and password? |
| 17:02.19 | Lulia | I just see no point to Alcohol. It burns, it stings my nostrils. |
| 17:02.21 | Lulia | Euck |
| 17:02.45 | cairenn | Lulia: trust me, there are days when alcohol is a GOOD THING (tm) |
| 17:02.52 | Cide | most days, in fact |
| 17:03.02 | Volaan | so yeah, i can't find any good examples of GetQuestItemInfo() ... can anyone help me here? all I've got to work with is http://www.wowpedia.org/API_GetQuestItemInfo |
| 17:03.12 | Cide | try calling it and see what it spits out |
| 17:03.19 | Volaan | it spits out error |
| 17:03.22 | Volaan | (: |
| 17:03.32 | Volaan | says it's an ...sec |
| 17:03.42 | Cide | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetQuestItemInfo |
| 17:03.43 | cog|work | that's not "all" you've got... there's also blizzard's framexml code |
| 17:03.52 | Cide | provides more and better info, how surprising |
| 17:04.06 | cog|work | that too |
| 17:04.13 | batrick | Cide sure is grouchy today |
| 17:04.14 | Lunessa | <3 wowprogramming.com |
| 17:04.15 | Volaan | nice...well that would be the beginning of my issue |
| 17:04.26 | Cide | batrick: most days, in fact |
| 17:04.28 | Lunessa | batrick: Today? TODAY? |
| 17:04.39 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, there's a reason there is NO rum in my house this month. I refuse to buy it... |
| 17:04.40 | Volaan | ... and <3 is clearly a ballsack and not a heart...just sayin |
| 17:04.47 | Cide | I'll show you next blizzcon |
| 17:04.53 | Cide | how the grouchmaster does it |
| 17:05.25 | batrick | ya if i ever go to blizzcon (unlikely) |
| 17:05.32 | batrick | grad school has me by the balls |
| 17:05.39 | Arrowmaster | son of a bitch, i got myself stuck in town in torchlight and cant get out of this spot |
| 17:05.39 | Cide | owned |
| 17:05.47 | Cide | ha |
| 17:05.53 | Cide | that was oddly appropriate |
| 17:06.38 | batrick | Arrowmaster: serves you right for jumping around like a hippie |
| 17:06.56 | Arrowmaster | you cant jump in this game |
| 17:07.06 | Arrowmaster | if you could i would be able to get out of here |
| 17:07.37 | Lunessa | I watched the very terrible moved "Gamer" the other night, and one of the remote controlled humans actually tea-bagged one of his kills. |
| 17:07.51 | Volaan | and Cide, I put in GetQuestItemInfo(required, 1) and it's givin error: "Invalid quest item in GetQuestItemInfo("type", index)" |
| 17:07.53 | Lopeppeppy | ... *sigh* |
| 17:08.07 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: I have rum in my house. You should visit. *wink* |
| 17:08.09 | cairenn | ,,, |
| 17:08.12 | Cide | maybe because required is not a constant |
| 17:08.15 | cairenn | errr, ..., even |
| 17:08.16 | alestane | Le sigh, Peppy? |
| 17:08.23 | Volaan | damn |
| 17:08.35 | Cide | which wowprogramming clearly states |
| 17:08.50 | Lopeppeppy | Wild boar brownies! http://eatocracy.cnn.com/2010/11/02/boar-bacon-brownies/?hpt=Sbin |
| 17:08.53 | Volaan | alright alright |
| 17:09.07 | Volaan | backs down quetly |
| 17:09.47 | Lulia | O.o |
| 17:09.59 | Lopeppeppy | The food blogs, they frighten me. |
| 17:10.30 | Volaan | well...i guess i could maybe see how the saltiness of the bacon would counter the sweetness of the brownie..but still |
| 17:11.42 | farmbuyer | Volaan: there are brownies sprinkled with a sea salt out there, those are really tasty |
| 17:11.51 | farmbuyer | and salted caramel hot chocolate |
| 17:12.02 | Lopeppeppy | Dark chocolate chip cookies sprinkled with sea salt are to DIE FOR, I tell you. |
| 17:12.13 | Volaan | see..i knew there was some culinary base to their decision for sticking bacon in a brownie |
| 17:12.25 | Cide | well yeah |
| 17:12.25 | Cide | it's bacon |
| 17:12.32 | Volaan | true |
| 17:12.45 | Lunessa | And who among you has not had chocolate chip pancakes/waffles and a side of bacon? HRM? |
| 17:12.54 | batrick | that'd be me |
| 17:13.12 | Lulia | Mmm, Strawberry basted porkchops |
| 17:13.13 | farmbuyer | to be fair, usually I order the bacon and my gf orders the choc chip waffles. |
| 17:13.24 | Lunessa | well, there's something wrong with you batrick ! |
| 17:13.30 | batrick | i don't like bacon |
| 17:13.42 | batrick | so ya i guess so |
| 17:13.44 | Lulia | You're not human |
| 17:13.45 | Lunessa | but, but, but... IT'S BACON! |
| 17:13.59 | Volaan | alright, so in your infinite wisdom Cide, I'm attempting to track when a player has all of A required item for a quest..do you know what event i'd be looking for? or does anyone? I've been scanning through and used eventtrace but all i'm getting is UNIT_QUEST_LOG_CHANGED as something to make my function check for something |
| 17:14.01 | batrick | ya i understand i must be broken |
| 17:14.21 | Cide | shrug |
| 17:14.22 | batrick | Volaan: you really should stop directing your questions at Cide. He's just going to keep trolling you. |
| 17:14.23 | Lulia | It's okay, I don't like alcohol or soda |
| 17:14.27 | Lulia | or coffee |
| 17:14.31 | Lulia | People look at me funny |
| 17:14.35 | batrick | i'm a coffee addict |
| 17:14.46 | Volaan | I'm thinking more and more that I'll have to retrieve the objectives when the quest is given and track items going into the bag? or something to that effect? |
| 17:14.50 | Cide | you could either use the looted/received item event |
| 17:15.01 | Cide | or you could use the quest log update event that flashes the number at the top of the screen |
| 17:15.09 | Cide | both should work but the latter should be less work I would think |
| 17:15.47 | farmbuyer | Volaan: have you grabbed a copy of the builtin UI and unpacked it? one place to look might be to see how the blizz UI chooses to display "complete" in the quest log, use those same criteria. |
| 17:16.20 | Volaan | right, but I'm having trouble finding a way to catch the number...the end goal is to be able to have an announce to party for when a player has all of one item |
| 17:17.59 | Volaan | farmbuyer: the one that unpacks to EditingUI? |
| 17:18.47 | Volaan | ah, wait...got the FrameXML folder now..I'll look through there |
| 17:19.00 | farmbuyer | this one: http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?locale=en_US&articleId=21466 |
| 17:19.35 | farmbuyer | it should unpack into something tedious-sounding at the top level, with FrameXML and AddOns under that |
| 17:20.04 | Volaan | yep, just got into it...thanks for the pointer..I'm gonna dig through it now |
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| 17:21.48 | Lulia | FrameXML is awesome |
| 17:21.51 | Volaan | wow...this is what i was missing |
| 17:21.54 | Volaan | indeed |
| 17:21.59 | Lulia | Searching through it can be a pain at times, but there's a lot in there. |
| 17:22.32 | Volaan | twss |
| 17:23.54 | farmbuyer | there are no problems with framexml that "grep -ri" cannot solve |
| 17:24.01 | Volaan | heh |
| 17:24.10 | farmbuyer | other than maybe the mixed line endings in chatframe.lua, but still. |
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| 17:37.27 | alestane | One of many reasons public drunkenness is a bad idea: http://textsfromlastnight.com/Text-Replies-22034.html |
| 17:41.59 | cairenn | blushes furiously and says nothing |
| 17:42.15 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 17:42.28 | cairenn | hush, you! |
| 17:43.01 | Volaan | so it was your six pack? |
| 17:43.27 | cairenn | I can tell tales about you, too, Arrowmaster ... then again, you aren't embarassed by them, so I guess I'm sol anyway |
| 17:43.46 | cairenn | Volaan: no |
| 17:44.11 | Arrowmaster | only remotely embarassing thing i did was hug ckknight |
| 17:44.43 | nevcairiel | what happend at blizzcon, stays at blizzcon? |
| 17:44.46 | cairenn | hehehe |
| 17:44.48 | Volaan | so, you ppl actually know eachother IRL? weird |
| 17:45.19 | Arrowmaster | i did explain to his coworkers the story behind the 6 months he disappeared when i ended up taking over all his projects |
| 17:45.39 | Arrowmaster | they loved that one |
| 17:45.43 | cairenn | hehehe |
| 17:45.54 | cairenn | Volaan: BlizzCon |
| 17:46.18 | Volaan | ah |
| 17:46.41 | Volaan | i wanted to go..but the milaturah got in the way |
| 17:47.13 | Volaan | and i wouldn't have known anyone anyway so..meh |
| 17:47.46 | cairenn | the only way you get to know people is to go and meet them :) |
| 17:47.49 | Lopeppeppy | If someone played tic tac toe on my abs, I do wonder where the first two circles were.... |
| 17:47.52 | Lopeppeppy | is innocent. |
| 17:48.04 | cairenn | Lopeppeppy: I was thinking much the same ;) |
| 17:48.06 | Arrowmaster | i didnt know anybody when i went, i shared a room with somebody i had never met before |
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| 17:48.29 | Volaan | crazytalk |
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| 17:48.42 | Volaan | yeh, hopefully the wife and i can make it to the next one |
| 17:48.49 | Volaan | sounds like a lot of fun |
| 17:48.54 | Lopeppeppy | I stayed with someone I didn't really know, when I went to Blizcon. There's a lot of that sort of sharing. |
| 17:49.04 | Lopeppeppy | Just be grown ups and it can be cool to meet new, non-snoring people! |
| 17:49.15 | Volaan | heh |
| 17:49.52 | cairenn | Volaan: well, I also run an annual dinner at BC for the UI community, so people that only know each other through here get a chance to meet face to face, hang out irl, etc |
| 17:50.09 | Lopeppeppy | Although all the people I'm most likely to share a room with do snore.... hmm. I need to rethink my stra-g-dey. |
| 17:50.10 | Arrowmaster | and get drunk afterwards! |
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| 17:50.22 | cairenn | Arrowmaster: seriously, HUSH |
| 17:50.26 | cairenn | blushes more |
| 17:50.31 | Lopeppeppy | I would never drink rum in a public parking lot. Ev-er. |
| 17:50.41 | Lopeppeppy | Nope. And the people who have pictures of it...must have the wrong gnomes! Yes. |
| 17:50.51 | cairenn | giggles at Lopeppeppy |
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| 17:51.05 | Lopeppeppy | Pirate rum is the best rum. |
| 17:52.01 | nebula169 | pyrat rum? nom nom |
| 17:52.16 | Lunessa | mmmm... rum |
| 17:52.22 | cairenn | mmmmmm |
| 17:52.27 | Cide | eh |
| 17:52.33 | Lunessa | And I already said Peppy could share my room. I only snore a little. |
| 17:52.44 | Cide | rum isn't even on my top 5 |
| 17:53.08 | Cide | tastes a bit off :/ |
| 17:53.11 | Lunessa | It makes my top 10 Cide. But right now all booze sounds really good. |
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| 17:53.29 | Cide | true |
| 17:53.35 | Lopeppeppy | lunessa darlin, how do we get ourselves to be asleep and NOT drinking rum? 'cause I keep thinking I should stop and get some tonight... |
| 17:53.37 | Cide | I've been out of vodka for two weeks |
| 17:53.39 | Cide | :( |
| 17:53.47 | nevcairiel | go buy new vodka? |
| 17:54.04 | Cide | the closest liquor store is far-ish away |
| 17:54.06 | Lunessa | Cide: I have a spare, but you can't have it. |
| 17:54.09 | Shirik | I've been out of vodka ... forever |
| 17:54.11 | Cide | or out of my way anyway |
| 17:54.12 | Shirik | because vodka is awful |
| 17:54.15 | Cide | nowai |
| 17:54.22 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: Rum might not help you sleep without a lot of it. |
| 17:54.36 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, this is a prospect I face with great equanimity. |
| 17:54.37 | nevcairiel | Oh right, you live in one of those weird places, where you can't go to the next supermarket and have all your favorite liquor handy |
| 17:54.44 | Cide | yep |
| 17:54.49 | Lopeppeppy | How's the gin and tonic going to help you, without the same quantity? |
| 17:55.19 | nevcairiel | I've always wondered, does that go for beer as well? |
| 17:55.45 | Cide | kinda |
| 17:55.47 | Lopeppeppy | in my state, beer and malt beverages are sold in supermarkets, nevcairiel. Not wine or hard alcohols. |
| 17:55.55 | Cide | for most intents and purposes yes |
| 17:56.06 | Cide | but you can buy beer with low alcohol levels in supermarkets |
| 17:56.07 | nevcairiel | in my country, any alcohol is sold in supermarkets =p |
| 17:56.29 | Cide | like <3.5% alcohol (by volume I believe) |
| 17:56.38 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:56.41 | Cide | <= rather |
| 17:57.07 | Cide | buy alcohol in supermarkets? |
| 17:57.09 | Cide | because it's easy |
| 17:57.30 | Lopeppeppy | Pardon, must go hire someone to take my job... *sigh* |
| 17:58.03 | Dagmar | No, buy "low-alcohol" beer. ...which is 0-1.2% actually |
| 17:58.22 | Cide | no, it's up to 3.5% |
| 17:58.55 | Dagmar | No, that's just Rolling Rock. No one but frat boys drink that anyway |
| 17:59.15 | Cide | no |
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| 17:59.17 | Cide | this is sweden |
| 17:59.19 | Cide | not your country |
| 17:59.37 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: I've been sleeping a lot lately, mostly due to exhaustion and lingering con-crud |
| 18:01.18 | Mikk | i prefer low alchol beer anyway |
| 18:01.20 | Mikk | i drink for the taste |
| 18:01.23 | Mikk | not to get blasted |
| 18:01.42 | Mikk | and they sell Grolsch in the supermarket closest to me |
| 18:01.42 | Mikk | \o/ |
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| 18:04.33 | Volaan | blegh..grolsch |
| 18:04.46 | Volaan | (: |
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| 18:07.27 | Nexiuz | Grolsch :( |
| 18:07.38 | Shirik | o.O |
| 18:07.49 | Shirik | Online Banking Alert |
| 18:07.49 | Shirik | Debit Card Transaction outside the U.S. |
| 18:07.53 | Nexiuz | Heineken :) |
| 18:07.56 | Volaan | I find that most beer that comes in green bottles is not very tasty |
| 18:08.12 | Cide | but carlsberg does |
| 18:08.17 | Cide | and it's probably the best beer in the world |
| 18:08.22 | Flowyk | if I have optionsTable in AceConfig defined by local table and I make change in this table is it visible in options? |
| 18:08.28 | Cide | #wowace |
| 18:08.40 | Volaan | can't say that I've tried carlsberg |
| 18:09.12 | Volaan | and morretti and stella aren't too bad i guess |
| 18:09.12 | cairenn | Shirik: time to call the bank! |
| 18:09.14 | Nexiuz | Flowyk: make a function that return the table, register with the function |
| 18:09.15 | nevcairiel | Cide: you're so mean, now we have to be annoyed again |
| 18:09.28 | Cide | how so, nevcairiel? |
| 18:09.30 | Shirik | cairenn, it doesn't make any sense at all |
| 18:09.43 | Shirik | Amount: $0.00 |
| 18:09.43 | Shirik | Country: Country not provided |
| 18:09.49 | Shirik | So someone outside the US charged my account for $0? |
| 18:09.52 | Nexiuz | Flowyk: and then do: LibStub("AceConfigRegistry-3.0"):NotifyChange("addonname"); |
| 18:09.55 | Shirik | and they don't even know where it came from? |
| 18:09.57 | cairenn | Shirik: time to call the bank |
| 18:10.00 | Shirik | yeah... |
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| 18:10.33 | nevcairiel | Cide: sending him to #wowace :( |
| 18:10.38 | cairenn | because whether it makes sense or not (and you're right, that doesn't), it's still not a good thing |
| 18:10.47 | Cide | well yeah |
| 18:10.50 | Cide | he's annoying me here |
| 18:13.49 | Volaan | sorry, what is POI short for? like in QuestPOI? point of interest? |
| 18:13.51 | Shirik | ok so |
| 18:13.55 | Shirik | When I called United |
| 18:14.00 | Shirik | to upgrade my flight to first class |
| 18:14.18 | Volaan | yeh, nm |
| 18:14.24 | Shirik | they upgraded me and then charged my account $0 because that's how their system works |
| 18:14.31 | cairenn | lol |
| 18:14.37 | Shirik | but when I called, I called india |
| 18:14.42 | Shirik | so they charged $0 from india |
| 18:14.48 | Volaan | outsourcing? |
| 18:15.06 | Shirik | and then my bank was like "OMG HE'S NOT IN INDIA SEND HIM AN ALERT" |
| 18:15.08 | nevcairiel | country not provided is long for india? |
| 18:15.12 | Shirik | yes |
| 18:15.32 | cairenn | oi |
| 18:15.50 | nevcairiel | I didnt even know you could charge $0 :P |
| 18:16.04 | cairenn | well, at least now you know what it was and you don't have to worry that it was an attempt at identity theft or something |
| 18:16.36 | Lunessa | Volaan: POI = Point of Interest, yes. |
| 18:16.55 | Volaan | thx, figured it out after my brain started working (: |
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| 18:22.32 | Shirik | You know what's really sad |
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| 18:22.49 | Shirik | I have like a 5000% easier time booking from expedia.com than from united.com |
| 18:23.28 | Shirik | Despite the fact that I'm a United Premier member and I get these free upgrades, etc., when I do it from Expedia it just "happens" and when I do it at united.com it's an absolute nightmare |
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| 18:43.58 | Lopeppeppy | fluffs Lunessa's con-crud pillow. |
| 18:44.11 | Lunessa | snuggles in for a nap. |
| 18:54.48 | Volaan | er is ITEM_TYPE_QUEST a reserved variable? |
| 18:55.19 | farmbuyer | elaborate on "reserved" |
| 18:55.31 | farmbuyer | usually the all-caps words are Blizzard constants |
| 18:56.15 | farmbuyer | that one doesn't ring a bell, though |
| 19:00.32 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy please be very careful what you say |
| 19:00.45 | Shirik | This channel has a tendency to cut off sentences to better please the audience |
| 19:01.19 | nicoli_s | nuhuh |
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| 19:06.39 | *** topic/#wowuidev by cairenn -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ || 4.0.x ToC: 40000 || #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting || Cata Beta UI download: http://bit.ly/cvplpG || Lopeppeppy fluffs Lunessa |
| 19:07.00 | Jamash | orly |
| 19:09.42 | farmbuyer | Anybody on the beta realms know whether the mage glyphs have been properly recategorized? |
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| 19:10.08 | cairenn | whistles an innocent little tune |
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| 19:12.06 | Lulia | grins at Cairenn. |
| 19:12.51 | Computerpunk | farmbuyer, order your own? :< |
| 19:13.56 | Volaan | sry farmbuyer, just saw your response.. thanks, that's what i was looking for, i guess the word i was looking for was "constant" |
| 19:16.09 | Volaan | holy CRAP! has anyone else looked at the MSBT documentation?! it's AMAZING |
| 19:17.16 | Shirik | http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=FRhxKAIdfJI9CCkvGX_XD05nNDFEUmZ81HVC9Q%3BFZw0IwIdReU1BinBQsblZI5QMTFvNp80fKodlQ&q=japan+to+china&sll=29.188084,-81.051925&sspn=0.002515,0.004823&ie=UTF8&ll=33.28462,121.245117&spn=20.581788,39.506836&t=h&z=5&saddr=japan&daddr=china |
| 19:17.28 | farmbuyer | order my own... beta key? |
| 19:17.33 | Shirik | 43.Jet ski across the Pacific Ocean |
| 19:17.33 | Shirik | 782 km |
| 19:17.48 | durcyn | 44. enjoy old memes |
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| 19:17.55 | Shirik | :( |
| 19:18.01 | Shirik | it used to say swim |
| 19:18.40 | Lunessa | those occasionally say "kayak" or "jetski" - someone at Google decided to have fun. |
| 19:20.24 | foxlit | "Jet ski across the Pacicic Ocean" |
| 19:20.38 | foxlit | Awesome, really. |
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| 19:21.09 | Fisker | sup Shirik |
| 19:21.19 | cairenn | daughter looked up (accidently) how to get from here to London (UK, meant to look up London Ontario) and it told her to canoe across the Atlantic |
| 19:22.07 | Fisker | always bet on duke cairenn |
| 19:22.22 | Shirik | someone should try it and then sue them when they die |
| 19:22.38 | cairenn | that'd be a neat trick, Shirik |
| 19:22.47 | foxlit | sue them after getting rescued. |
| 19:22.51 | foxlit | You surely mean. |
| 19:23.36 | zenzelezz | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/11/03/funny-pictures-heres-johnn-ouff/ |
| 19:23.37 | Volaan | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:25.03 | Volaan | ...and lawyer fees |
| 19:25.46 | durcyn | or make a killing in jetski rentals |
| 19:25.53 | foxlit | Hm. "You're a kitty!" |
| 19:26.32 | Fisker | do you see Shirik? |
| 19:26.34 | Volaan | i'm guessing no one here uses gmail? the whole google buzz thing? eh? |
| 19:26.42 | Shirik | do you see Fisker |
| 19:26.44 | Cide | we do |
| 19:26.46 | Cide | and we got it |
| 19:26.52 | Cide | it just wasn't very funny that's all |
| 19:26.56 | Volaan | guess i'm just off today |
| 19:27.02 | Fisker | no Shirik |
| 19:27.27 | Volaan | ..or..not humorous |
| 19:27.54 | cairenn | we're all a little 'off' in here, so welcome to the club, Volaan |
| 19:28.36 | Fisker | except me, i'm like the only sane person in here |
| 19:28.37 | alestane | ...but I dont WANT to go among MAD people... |
| 19:29.02 | Fisker | hey alestane |
| 19:29.03 | Lopeppeppy | Cairenn, my GPS tried to send me to Canada to get home, last month. Hilarious. |
| 19:29.35 | Fisker | (tried and succeeded) |
| 19:29.43 | cairenn | Lopeppeppy: but, it is possible, so |
| 19:29.44 | Shirik | I brought my GPS with me to my internship in Oregon |
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| 19:29.58 | Shirik | I went out to portland and then tried to get back home so I hit the "Go Home" button |
| 19:30.08 | Shirik | That's when I found out there's no real way to do a hard reset |
| 19:30.17 | Shirik | and I waited 15 minutes while it tried to compute how to get back to florida |
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| 19:30.24 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 19:30.26 | nevcairiel | battery removal always works good for resets |
| 19:30.26 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, totally possible. It wanted me to go into Brockville, out through um... some town over further east, and then down i-87the length of New York State. |
| 19:30.30 | Shirik | it has an internal battery |
| 19:30.35 | Shirik | the only way to get to it is a screw |
| 19:30.38 | nevcairiel | so, removal |
| 19:30.53 | Lopeppeppy | I was just like, "excuse me, I'm not going to Canada to get through New York State, thanks, reroute without tolls" |
| 19:31.25 | Fisker | oh man |
| 19:31.29 | Fisker | i thought it said trolls |
| 19:31.36 | Fisker | i was wondering what that "troll road" was about |
| 19:31.37 | Lopeppeppy | I don't allow trolls in my car, either. |
| 19:31.48 | Lopeppeppy | They eat the chips and break the radio. Lousy copilots, can't read maps. |
| 19:32.19 | nevcairiel | They can, they just like to send you the wrong way |
| 19:32.38 | Lopeppeppy | Ha ha, me very little, you cheat very big. Ha ha. |
| 19:32.54 | Flowyk | can I save "savedvariables" without reload or logout? |
| 19:32.54 | Fisker | haha |
| 19:33.05 | Cide | no. |
| 19:33.55 | Fisker | yes. |
| 19:34.10 | Gnarfoz | neither. |
| 19:34.30 | Shirik | why would you want to? |
| 19:34.37 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: You call him, Dr. Jones, DOLL! |
| 19:34.42 | nevcairiel | I'll go with "Its complicated" |
| 19:35.07 | Fisker | Gnarfoz. |
| 19:35.10 | Lopeppeppy | DOLL!! |
| 19:35.13 | Lopeppeppy | *grump* |
| 19:35.14 | Lopeppeppy | *giggle* |
| 19:35.18 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: did *VZ add that as a relationship status by now, btw? |
| 19:35.36 | nevcairiel | I have no f'ing idea, and i don't care. I deleted my account there years ago |
| 19:35.55 | Volaan | so, if somethin says BLAH_BLAH = function (a, b) a.eventType, a.itemLink, a.amount = "loot", b[1], b[2] end ..what the heck does that mean? |
| 19:36.08 | Volaan | i'm guessing a is an object |
| 19:36.23 | Volaan | but the double = is throwing me off here |
| 19:36.24 | nevcairiel | that function populates a from b |
| 19:36.51 | zenzelezz | there've certainly been some interesting theories about the Tunguska event... natural H-bomb, black hole, antimatter, alien spaceship crash... |
| 19:36.51 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: so you're only on Facebook now? :P |
| 19:36.58 | Shirik | a.eventType = "loot"; a.itemLink = b[1]; a.amount = b[2]; |
| 19:36.59 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: nop |
| 19:37.05 | farmbuyer | and hopefully returns something to store in BLAH_BLAH |
| 19:37.07 | Shirik | it (essentially) the same thing |
| 19:37.10 | Volaan | ahh, okay okay, i was thinkin weird...yeah, ok that makes sense now |
| 19:37.14 | Gnarfoz | that was supposed to be what is commonly referred to as "a joke" :O |
| 19:37.15 | Volaan | thanks |
| 19:37.31 | Flowyk | what is function to add my frame into interface-option frame? |
| 19:37.32 | nevcairiel | farmbuyer: huh, BLAH_BLAH gets the function pointer |
| 19:37.32 | Shirik | and no, farmbuyer |
| 19:37.34 | Shirik | that's totally wrong |
| 19:37.41 | farmbuyer | no wait, I misparsed, ignore that |
| 19:37.42 | farmbuyer | yeah |
| 19:37.47 | farmbuyer | that's the func, I'm sleepy |
| 19:38.19 | nevcairiel | Volaan: if you don't understand something, just add some new lines in the proper places, and it might just make more sense :P |
| 19:38.25 | nevcairiel | also, in before Cide |
| 19:38.27 | nevcairiel | ~pil |
| 19:38.27 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 19:38.33 | Volaan | lol |
| 19:38.35 | Volaan | got it |
| 19:38.37 | mikma | some people say there's a "better gearscore than gearscore" |
| 19:39.31 | Shirik | I need a new SUV |
| 19:39.33 | Shirik | any recommendations? |
| 19:39.34 | Fisker | digs Shirik |
| 19:39.40 | Shirik | My parents recommended the Xterra |
| 19:39.52 | durcyn | why do you need an SUV |
| 19:40.05 | Shirik | because I might as well be living on a mountain |
| 19:40.06 | Lunessa | Shirik: I'm rather happy with my Chevy Equinox - and they make a hybrid model. |
| 19:40.08 | durcyn | do you hate the planet |
| 19:40.20 | Flowyk | what is function to add my frame into the interface-options frame? |
| 19:40.20 | durcyn | you're a planet hater, admit it. |
| 19:40.22 | Shirik | yes |
| 19:40.23 | Shirik | I am |
| 19:40.35 | Shirik | Be happy |
| 19:40.45 | Shirik | I'm getting rid of my old SUV that gets like less than 10 MPG right now |
| 19:40.46 | Lopeppeppy | Don't worry. |
| 19:40.49 | Cide | Flowyk: it's known as the readtheframexml |
| 19:40.50 | Shirik | and replacing it with something that's decent |
| 19:41.22 | Fisker | hax Shirik |
| 19:41.49 | Lopeppeppy | What constitutes "decent" in your world, Shirik? |
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| 19:42.02 | Shirik | something more than 10 |
| 19:42.09 | Shirik | preferably at least 20 |
| 19:42.22 | Lopeppeppy | I was wondering if you had *models* in sight, dear. :) |
| 19:42.30 | Shirik | not really |
| 19:42.35 | foxlit | http://www.google.com/search?q=20+mpg+in+kmpl |
| 19:42.36 | foxlit | qq :( |
| 19:42.43 | Shirik | anything that I don't have now would be good |
| 19:42.55 | nevcairiel | You americans are weird, you measure MPG, we usually measure Liters per 100km :p |
| 19:43.39 | zenzelezz | in Norway we do it per 10 km (a Norwegian "mil") |
| 19:43.41 | Lopeppeppy | I've heard good things about... um... I dunno. I have to start researching too, Eric the Cavalier won't last forever. *quiet in case he hears me* |
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| 19:44.01 | Shirik | what's the difference |
| 19:44.04 | Shirik | it's just a reciprocal no? |
| 19:44.05 | nevcairiel | zenzelezz: well thats the same really, just with the decimal moved. The point was that the number is basically reversed |
| 19:44.13 | zenzelezz | ah |
| 19:44.28 | Shirik | What happens when we get so good that we can do like 100 mpg |
| 19:44.34 | Shirik | then your numbers are going to be like 0.00001 |
| 19:44.40 | Shirik | that's going to be impossible to decipher! |
| 19:44.55 | Volaan | that's just 1mpkg |
| 19:45.19 | nevcairiel | 100 mpg is not that good |
| 19:45.20 | Volaan | er...math |
| 19:45.24 | Shirik | what |
| 19:45.34 | Shirik | no |
| 19:45.34 | Lopeppeppy | heh? |
| 19:45.37 | Shirik | not grams you fools |
| 19:45.40 | Lopeppeppy | I think my ears just exploded. |
| 19:45.41 | Shirik | l2english system |
| 19:45.43 | Fisker | i never left Shirik |
| 19:45.44 | Shirik | metric sucks |
| 19:45.52 | Fisker | no! |
| 19:46.03 | Volaan | no conditioner is better |
| 19:46.05 | zenzelezz | the English use metric |
| 19:46.17 | nevcairiel | its like 1 gallon per 100 miles, right? which is 3.8 liters per 100 miles. I don't see your 0.00001 yet |
| 19:46.48 | Napoleone | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:46.53 | cbreak | Funny. Heard on the radio that the US wants to print more money to create inflation. |
| 19:47.02 | nevcairiel | cbreak: read that on the news too |
| 19:47.05 | nevcairiel | 500 billion or so |
| 19:47.40 | cbreak | time for americans to get bigger wallets :D |
| 19:47.41 | zenzelezz | the US did things in the wrong order |
| 19:47.58 | zenzelezz | they got their crazy leader, went to war, then they want to do inflation |
| 19:47.58 | Shirik | what is an engine block heater? |
| 19:47.59 | nevcairiel | I really need to cash my curse points in before the dollar is worthless |
| 19:48.13 | nevcairiel | Shirik: you know, in the winter, some engines have trouble starting |
| 19:48.17 | Shirik | no |
| 19:48.18 | cbreak | Shirik: a heater that heats engine blocks? |
| 19:48.18 | zenzelezz | they should've done like Germany; made inflation, got a crazy leader and then gone to war, that was much more successful! |
| 19:48.19 | Shirik | I live in FLorida |
| 19:48.20 | Lopeppeppy | Ooh, Shirik, very good for cold climates. It runs some current through a warmer element that keeps your engine from freezing. |
| 19:48.22 | Fisker | i will draw every ml of blood you have Shirik |
| 19:48.30 | nevcairiel | Shirik: maybe the care doesnt know that |
| 19:48.33 | nevcairiel | car* |
| 19:48.44 | Shirik | yeah but that's why I don't know about engines having trouble starting in cold >< |
| 19:48.54 | nevcairiel | arent you supposedly smart? |
| 19:49.06 | Lopeppeppy | Smart is still related to experience, nevcairiel. |
| 19:49.20 | Lopeppeppy | I knew that, and Shirik didn't. But I bet he knows a few things I don't. :) |
| 19:49.36 | Shirik | Cars are something I don't know |
| 19:49.41 | Shirik | the only thing I know about cars is the powertrain |
| 19:49.50 | p3lim | im probably missing something, but why exactly isnt this working? http://pastebin.com/BgaM46H2 |
| 19:49.53 | Shirik | and that's only because I've worked on a hybrid control system |
| 19:49.55 | nevcairiel | I'm sure thats also true for air plane engines |
| 19:49.59 | p3lim | dont mind the href and img source |
| 19:50.08 | Shirik | Yes but again I don't care about airplane engines :) |
| 19:50.13 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:50.16 | Shirik | From my perspective, I say "start" and it starts |
| 19:50.22 | Fisker | you left me with no other choice Shirik |
| 19:50.36 | Shirik | (or it doesn't and I say "oh well something broke, better tell the guy he's screwed") |
| 19:50.57 | Fisker | haste |
| 19:50.59 | Fisker | you are a jerk |
| 19:51.12 | Fisker | http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/a74a8932-1b68-4abb-84d7-0d9767ecdafd.jpg <-you can't just eat us |
| 19:51.48 | nevcairiel | se no and fi working together to kill dk? That just has to be true |
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| 19:53.00 | nevcairiel | Also, i noticed today, looking for a new laptop is incredibly hard |
| 19:53.17 | nevcairiel | They don't make them like they used to |
| 19:53.21 | Lopeppeppy | Hell yeah it is. Argh. "laptop" doesn't mean the same thing as it did 2 years ago. |
| 19:53.28 | Fisker | Lopeppeppy |
| 19:53.29 | Lopeppeppy | It mostly means "eemachine" or "netbook". |
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| 19:53.35 | Fisker | laptops suck anyway |
| 19:54.37 | nevcairiel | I want something with decent performance, including a bit of gaming (just WoW, nothing high-end), a non-glossy display with good brightness, and awesome would be integrated 3G |
| 19:54.44 | cog|work | wow... wtf is MLB doing with their internet stream? 2 people here were watching the parade in SF and it was using up nearly all our bandwidth :| (granted we just have 2 bonded T1s, but still) |
| 19:54.44 | nevcairiel | in like 15.4" |
| 19:54.48 | nevcairiel | impossible to find |
| 19:55.26 | nevcairiel | all non-glossy are business notebooks without a dedicated GPU =( |
| 19:55.33 | p3lim | hm, the better laptops have bigger screens afaik |
| 19:55.50 | Fisker | major league bitching cog|work? |
| 19:55.52 | durcyn | get a macbook pro |
| 19:55.54 | p3lim | and a numpad too (which I hate on a laptop) |
| 19:56.08 | nevcairiel | I'm not paying extras for the damn half-eaten apple logo |
| 19:56.11 | Lopeppeppy | nevcairiel, get glossy and a screen protector? |
| 19:56.26 | Fisker | Don't get a laptop |
| 19:56.28 | Fisker | also a good choice |
| 19:57.04 | Lopeppeppy | laptop and wow are not very synonymous, esp. Windows, but you *can* get ones that will play decently for farming and solo play. Raiding... you're laying out for a high end laptop with way too many bells and whistles. |
| 19:57.05 | p3lim | gaming is for desktops anyways, only use my laptop for rant/travelling |
| 19:57.29 | Lopeppeppy | Check one of those you-customize sites? Start with what you want for the display, upgrade the various internal bits? |
| 19:57.37 | haste | danes are tasty Fisker |
| 19:57.47 | Fisker | that's what she said haste |
| 19:57.55 | haste | that's what I said Fisker |
| 19:58.43 | nevcairiel | The thinkpad T510 would be kinda good, i also like the thinkpad industrial design, but its one of the more expensive choices as well |
| 19:58.51 | Volaan | ...i play on my lappy, but a desktop would be a wiser choice for gaming imo |
| 19:59.18 | nevcairiel | I dont want to play on it all the time, i just want a laptop on which i can play as well when its all i have with me =p |
| 19:59.21 | the-golem | glossy displays are horribad |
| 19:59.24 | Lopeppeppy | laptops are overall a bit more expensive as play-machines than equivalent desktops. |
| 19:59.26 | the-golem | hides ^.^ |
| 19:59.28 | Fisker | laptops are horrible |
| 19:59.29 | Lopeppeppy | Battery life is also a huge concern. |
| 19:59.43 | Volaan | are you gonna play anything else on it? |
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| 20:00.05 | Volaan | are you willing to have to tweak the graphics to non-max settings? |
| 20:00.32 | Volaan | those would be determining factors...unless you wanna shell out some big bucks for a pimp lappy |
| 20:00.54 | nevcairiel | It has a tiny display in comparison, i wont notice lower details =p |
| 20:01.09 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, my settings are all cranked way way down in details, on my laptop. |
| 20:01.16 | Fisker | i want to see a movie |
| 20:01.42 | Lopeppeppy | Me too! I want to see Saw in the theaters. |
| 20:01.57 | nevcairiel | Most important is the capability to watch movies on it, preferable with hardware accelerated decoding to save on battery, which kinda rules out intel IGPs, because they suck |
| 20:01.58 | Fisker | you want a seesaw? |
| 20:02.02 | Volaan | well....I'm runnin on a 15inch and it's pretty nice...but if you're goin netbook style, I wouldn't bother playing |
| 20:02.22 | Lopeppeppy | nevcairiel, don't use a crappy windows player to watch movies. VLC, baby. |
| 20:02.29 | Fisker | you're barking up the wrong tree nevcairiel :( |
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| 20:02.56 | Volaan | VLC is nice |
| 20:02.58 | Lopeppeppy | I haven't found anything that VLC won't play, and it's much less taxing on the battery, from my observation. |
| 20:03.11 | nevcairiel | Lopeppeppy: i hate VLC, but no worries, i know all there is to know about media playback |
| 20:03.12 | Volaan | definately a light weight program |
| 20:03.13 | durcyn | VLC does acceleration on some platforms |
| 20:03.20 | Volaan | and open source, which means good |
| 20:03.22 | Volaan | lol |
| 20:03.25 | nicoli_s | ive seen some real files VLC wont play right |
| 20:03.37 | nicoli_s | but neither will any versions of real player i can find |
| 20:03.50 | nevcairiel | real is just a fucked up format |
| 20:03.52 | durcyn | ah yes, the pinnacle of media formats |
| 20:03.53 | Lopeppeppy | Then you'll find an acceptable playback option, nevcairiel, no matter which laptop you wind up with. |
| 20:04.10 | Volaan | just build your own laptop and run Linux |
| 20:04.21 | nevcairiel | I wish building your own laptop would be feasible =P |
| 20:04.29 | Arrowmaster | me too |
| 20:04.30 | Volaan | it can be done |
| 20:04.41 | nevcairiel | All you can do is get to one of those pages that let you pick some preferred parts |
| 20:04.59 | Volaan | eh, there're sites out there that sell the shells |
| 20:05.28 | Arrowmaster | problem is that the boards are specific to the cases |
| 20:05.55 | Volaan | yeah, i guess you'd have to modify the case to do some serious customization |
| 20:06.00 | nevcairiel | Its not like the components are all plugnplay like in a real pc, most is directly on the board itself |
| 20:06.03 | Volaan | which = pain in the ass |
| 20:06.19 | Lopeppeppy | Yup yup. |
| 20:06.42 | Volaan | so don't get a laptop, build a compact PC and get a sweet monitor |
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| 20:06.55 | nicoli_s | get a ps3 laptop |
| 20:07.02 | Napoleone | wow how nice of blizzard |
| 20:07.29 | nevcairiel | Volaan: i want a small 15" to be able to carry it around with me wherever i please <.< |
| 20:07.48 | nevcairiel | I already have a decent and recent PC :d |
| 20:07.52 | zenzelezz | sure you don't want a large 15"? |
| 20:08.02 | Volaan | yeah, i broke down and bought a MacBook Pro 15" |
| 20:08.28 | Volaan | zenzelezz has a point tho..it's not exactly small |
| 20:09.00 | nevcairiel | I looked at some of those 12-13 ultraportables, sadly the lack on battery power if they come with some decent hardware |
| 20:09.01 | zenzelezz | I was actually just being funny (in my own crazy way)... 15" is 15" |
| 20:09.19 | Fisker | what is nice of blizzard Napoleone ? |
| 20:09.19 | nevcairiel | zenzelezz: thats just the screen size, not the size of the laptop :) |
| 20:09.31 | zenzelezz | oh, you were talking laptops |
| 20:09.44 | Volaan | (: |
| 20:10.17 | Volaan | well, i have to say i like max os x better than windows, but i'd still like to break free some day and run straight linux |
| 20:10.26 | nevcairiel | they should make those foldable displays already |
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| 20:10.32 | nevcairiel | then i could get a netbook and such a display! |
| 20:10.38 | cbreak | funny. I rose from rank 15 to rank 9 in my SC2 division |
| 20:10.44 | cbreak | by not doing anything at all for a week |
| 20:11.46 | Lunessa | I keep thinking it would be nice to have a laptop, until I think about it, and pretty much all I would do with it is play WoW. And I don't need that to be all that portable. |
| 20:11.49 | nevcairiel | I could never use a apple product, their philosophy just boggles my mind |
| 20:12.11 | cbreak | how so? |
| 20:12.15 | cbreak | apple makes great products |
| 20:12.22 | cbreak | the probably best unix system on the market |
| 20:12.26 | nevcairiel | I don't like being told what i am not allowed to do with my hardware |
| 20:12.27 | cbreak | solid hardware |
| 20:12.41 | cbreak | the freedom to do what ever you want, be it in closed or open direction |
| 20:12.43 | nevcairiel | You want to run flash? Sorry, can't let you do that |
| 20:13.11 | cbreak | it's not like linux, where you have to do handstands to get anything non-open |
| 20:13.15 | cbreak | (even mplayer!) |
| 20:13.23 | Volaan | that's only with thier iPhone/iPad/iPod |
| 20:13.25 | cbreak | or windows, where compiling open source tools is a total pain in the ass |
| 20:13.41 | nevcairiel | Volaan: you want to run Java? Sorry, better find some other guy to write you a VM |
| 20:13.52 | cbreak | you mean line on all other platforms? |
| 20:13.58 | cbreak | cry me a river... |
| 20:14.03 | Volaan | and I'd have to argue that Windows' philosophy isn't exactly sound either |
| 20:14.15 | cbreak | microsoft java hasn't been updated since ten years or so? |
| 20:14.33 | cbreak | and is blackrock/gcj even complete? |
| 20:14.42 | Volaan | and yes, this is why i would like to eventually move to Linux...so I have total freedom...but until then, I'll stick with OS X |
| 20:15.01 | cbreak | the only java manufacturers worth of note seem to be oracle (former sun), and google (with their knockoff) |
| 20:15.05 | nevcairiel | OpenJDK works just fine |
| 20:15.09 | cbreak | but google seems to get sued over their JVM by oracle |
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| 20:15.32 | durcyn | openjdk/icedtea isn't so bad, i think blackdown went the way of the dodo though |
| 20:15.43 | cbreak | oh, it was blackdown. |
| 20:15.51 | cbreak | I only use two or three java apps regularly |
| 20:16.08 | Volaan | who the hell uses java anyway, it sux |
| 20:16.10 | Volaan | lol |
| 20:16.10 | nevcairiel | blackdown stopped evolving after java 1.4 |
| 20:16.23 | cbreak | I don't think that works with anything but suns or apple's vm |
| 20:16.39 | foxlit | I don't imagine there will be a serious JRE problem on OSX, even if apple discontinued their own vm. |
| 20:16.48 | nevcairiel | "even if"? They did |
| 20:17.02 | foxlit | consider it suitably amended. |
| 20:17.16 | foxlit | I was trying to make that edit, but apparently didn't backspace enough |
| 20:17.18 | cbreak | nevcairiel: OpenJDK seems more dead than Apple's Java |
| 20:17.24 | cbreak | last announcement 11 months ago |
| 20:17.37 | Arrowmaster | openjdk works fine |
| 20:17.41 | nevcairiel | News (2010-11-01) JDK 7 build 116 is available. Build 116 contains improvements for javac, javah, annotation processing, further rebranding changes, performance⦠|
| 20:17.46 | nevcairiel | sounds like 2 days ago |
| 20:17.47 | Flowyk | how to get the state from widgets created via table? (using AceConfig) |
| 20:18.06 | cbreak | nevcairiel: all announcements on http://openjdk.java.net/ are from 2009 |
| 20:18.24 | nevcairiel | Read the news on the top then :p |
| 20:18.36 | cbreak | news? |
| 20:18.47 | nevcairiel | http://blogs.sun.com/openjdk/ |
| 20:18.51 | nevcairiel | or their news blog |
| 20:18.57 | foxlit | The first non-logo content text on that page is "News (2010-11-01) JDK 7 build 116 is available. Build 116 contains improvements for javac, javah, annotation processing, further rebranding changes, performanceâ¦" |
| 20:18.59 | cbreak | oh, it's sun |
| 20:19.21 | cbreak | foxlit: strange, that's not on the page I linked |
| 20:19.41 | foxlit | cbreak: I could screenshot it if you want |
| 20:19.47 | cbreak | so could I |
| 20:20.02 | cbreak | ... oh great... just a sec... enabling java script... |
| 20:20.33 | cbreak | now it's there... what a crappy page... |
| 20:20.37 | Fisker | hey cbreak |
| 20:20.44 | Fisker | think you can handle it? |
| 20:20.50 | cbreak | handle what? |
| 20:21.22 | Fisker | i wouldn't know |
| 20:22.07 | cbreak | I handle the unknown with 50% expected success ratio based on the number of possible outcomes of a binary result table. |
| 20:23.00 | Jamash | your wife/girlfriend says "Do these jeans make me look fat?" WHAT DO YOU DO |
| 20:23.30 | cbreak | I knock her out. She's obviously an alien pretending to be my wife/girlfriend. |
| 20:23.44 | zenzelezz | tell her research suggests women always believe they are larger than they are |
| 20:23.46 | cbreak | either that or I have amnesia and forgot that I have one. |
| 20:24.38 | Volaan | how does one retrieve an argument from an event that fired? |
| 20:25.20 | Jamash | it will be passed as an argument to your OnEvent handler |
| 20:25.37 | cbreak | you don't have to do anything in particular appart from having arguments |
| 20:25.48 | Lopeppeppy | zenzelezz... not the right answer. Just sayin'. Right answer is, "that's not a fair question" |
| 20:26.24 | nevcairiel | Cant you just say "no"? |
| 20:26.42 | zenzelezz | no |
| 20:26.50 | Jamash | the correct answer is "No, it's your fat ass that makes you look fat" |
| 20:26.57 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: I'm the guy who will say "Yes. Those jeans DO make your ass look big." And then sleep on the couch or end up looking for a new g/f. |
| 20:26.59 | Volaan | so, whatever function i point it to in <OnEvent> I would put what in the () for the function? |
| 20:27.18 | Volaan | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:27.28 | Jamash | Volaan: function myeventhandler(frame, event, ...) |
| 20:27.50 | Jamash | what ... contains will depend on the event |
| 20:27.50 | Volaan | ok, so the ... would encompass any args passed with the event firing? |
| 20:27.51 | Lopeppeppy | If I asked you, Lunessa, I'd expect either the honest answer, or "that's not a fair question". But I am the exception among some female-species-members. |
| 20:28.06 | Volaan | awesome, thanks |
| 20:28.28 | Jamash | do dinos even wear jeans? |
| 20:28.33 | Lunessa | *nod* I'm also fond of avoiding answering the question by initiating sex. |
| 20:28.48 | Jamash | Lunessa: in the department store? |
| 20:29.02 | Lunessa | Jamash: Don't knock it until you've tried it. |
| 20:29.10 | Lunessa | still can't go to Dillards. |
| 20:31.09 | Lopeppeppy | Oooh, good one Lunessa! I like. |
| 20:31.20 | Lopeppeppy | Jamash, I wear jeans by preference, if I must wear pants at all. |
| 20:31.35 | Lopeppeppy | Dinos prefer to be warm while we eviscerate forum noobs. |
| 20:32.39 | Volaan | suprise, another newb question: if my event gives a string with an item link in it, is there an easy way to parse that? or would I need regular expressions or something? |
| 20:34.04 | Lopeppeppy | And now I leave you with the image of a dino in Daisy Duke shorts. I will pay good money to an artist who can draw that.... :) TTFN! |
| 20:34.33 | Jamash | lua doesn't have standard regular expressions (if there are such things) but it does have a limited match capability which you can use to parse item links |
| 20:35.20 | Jamash | there's some information at http://www.wowpedia.org/Item_link |
| 20:35.30 | Volaan | thank you |
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| 20:47.30 | Shirik | ok apparently visual studio can integrate with excel |
| 20:47.34 | Shirik | this is very strange |
| 20:47.38 | Shirik | you can write unit tests for excel |
| 20:47.45 | Jamash | sure why not |
| 20:48.00 | Arrowmaster | what the fuck |
| 20:48.07 | Arrowmaster | why would you write unit tests in excel? |
| 20:48.39 | nicoli_s | because you can? |
| 20:49.19 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:49.35 | Fisker | don't lie Shirik |
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| 20:51.41 | Volaan | whoa, so myVar = select(3, blah) is the same as trash, trash2, myVar = blah? |
| 20:52.02 | alestane | It's fairly close. |
| 20:52.23 | alestane | It's common to use _, _, myVar = ... |
| 20:52.45 | Volaan | what does the _ do? |
| 20:52.52 | alestane | It's just a name. |
| 20:53.01 | Volaan | huh..interesting |
| 20:53.03 | alestane | About the simplest name you can have. |
| 20:53.05 | Shadowed | It's just a common variable that is accepted as "don't use this, it's just a dummy" |
| 20:53.11 | Kraps | http://www.thedailyblink.com/comics/2010-11-03-072.jpg |
| 20:53.14 | Volaan | thanks |
| 20:53.29 | alestane | By convention it's treated as a "write-only" variable or "black hole." |
| 20:53.43 | Jamash | they misspelled "Cairne" |
| 20:53.57 | Jamash | wait, no they didn' |
| 20:53.58 | Jamash | t |
| 20:54.05 | Jamash | my eyeballs need cleaning |
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| 21:00.39 | Fisker | how can this be Jamash ? |
| 21:03.48 | Shirik | ok |
| 21:03.52 | Shirik | I know you all are going to laugh at me for this |
| 21:03.59 | Shirik | but how the hell do I change the background color in Excel? |
| 21:04.09 | Shirik | I seem to remember there was something at the top just like word's "Heading 1" "Heading 2" etc. |
| 21:04.15 | Shirik | but for like "Calculated value" "Normal" etc. |
| 21:04.30 | nicoli_s | circular references are fun |
| 21:04.37 | Shirik | I know how to handle C++ but I can't even use excel |
| 21:05.42 | Fisker | use the paintbucket tool? |
| 21:06.07 | Shirik | I will hurt you Fisker |
| 21:06.21 | Fisker | why? |
| 21:07.30 | Fisker | help foxlit Shirik is threatening me :( |
| 21:08.12 | Volaan | you talkin about changing it based on cell content? or the whole page? or the default bgcolor? or wha? |
| 21:11.27 | Volaan | eh shirik? |
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| 21:11.48 | Shirik | just the background color of a few cells |
| 21:11.53 | Shirik | but I seem to remember there were standard colors |
| 21:12.16 | Volaan | yeah, there's a thing that looks like a paint bucket |
| 21:12.49 | Volaan | you can fill em in with that...and if you hold the button down when u click on it you can change colors |
| 21:13.10 | Shirik | what |
| 21:13.16 | Shirik | you mean Fisker was actually telling the truth? |
| 21:13.22 | Fisker | owned Shirik |
| 21:13.32 | Volaan | there should be an icon on one of the toolbars that looks like a paintbucket |
| 21:13.34 | Volaan | and yes |
| 21:13.37 | Shirik | this! http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.functionx.com/excel/ribbon/condformat1.gif&imgrefurl=http://www.functionx.com/excel/cells/aesthetic.htm&usg=__P0Aip89VY85H9jTXy-_LoX4e4bU=&h=369&w=576&sz=29&hl=en&start=27&sig2=CAe7EcxoKfJqI9tmYKeJrQ&zoom=1&tbnid=Gg2ZOE5V_QYxZM:&tbnh=149&tbnw=233&ei=dtDRTP6JCpXTngfAwsG9DA&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dexcel%2Bformat%2Bcell%2Bribbon%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26biw%3D1280%26bih%3D6 |
| 21:13.44 | Shirik | omg that's a huge image |
| 21:13.52 | Shirik | http://www.functionx.com/excel/ribbon/condformat1.gif |
| 21:13.55 | Shirik | that is what I remember |
| 21:14.15 | foxlit | ew, ribbon |
| 21:14.16 | Volaan | that's for if you wanna fill in cells based on certain conditions |
| 21:14.22 | foxlit | stopped using office in 2004 :( |
| 21:14.22 | Volaan | ie: conditional formatting |
| 21:14.41 | Shirik | not the stuff under conditional formatting |
| 21:14.44 | Shirik | talking about the stuff to the right |
| 21:14.51 | Shirik | bad good neutral input |
| 21:15.10 | Volaan | but somewhere up in all that shitty toolbar area that they totally fucked when they made the new office... |
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| 21:15.16 | Volaan | there's a paintbucket |
| 21:15.26 | Amarande | hmm, I think I have a new quest |
| 21:15.32 | Shirik | learn to use excel? |
| 21:15.33 | Amarande | [80] Bring me the Head of the Author of MonkeyQuest |
| 21:15.36 | Shirik | oh |
| 21:15.38 | Fisker | http://office.microsoft.com/en-gb/excel/HP012167321033.aspx?pid=CH100648351033 |
| 21:15.39 | Fisker | this? |
| 21:15.49 | Amarande | let's put it this way, I just lost eight days' worth of quest progress due to MonkeyQuest. |
| 21:16.08 | Shirik | AH! |
| 21:16.09 | Shirik | I found it |
| 21:16.10 | Volaan | nah, there's one that is clearly a paint bucket |
| 21:16.21 | syrae | Amarande: how? |
| 21:16.27 | Maldivia | how can you loose quest progress? |
| 21:16.30 | Amarande | I picked up Weaken the Ramparts |
| 21:16.32 | Volaan | once again...good job microsoft fuckin up stuffs |
| 21:16.37 | Amarande | Apparently, that quest BUGS UP MonkeyQuest |
| 21:16.45 | Amarande | you pick it up and you get a swatter box and the quest log no longer works right |
| 21:16.52 | Amarande | you try to abandon the quest? you end up abandoning the last quest on your list instead |
| 21:17.01 | Amarande | in this case, the ravasaur quest, since Un'Goro Crater was last on the list |
| 21:17.12 | Shirik | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/1bd90b6fe094a035364ae04df6967874.png |
| 21:17.15 | Shirik | That's what I was talking about Volaan |
| 21:17.17 | Shirik | they hid it |
| 21:17.27 | Jamash | Amarande: ouch |
| 21:17.36 | Amarande | I'm guessing that's a "GM won't fix" error, as well :S |
| 21:17.42 | Amarande | Jamash: yeah, ouch, especially with Cata around the corner |
| 21:17.43 | Volaan | ah, not the uh....little paint bucket next to the A with red under it? |
| 21:17.50 | Volaan | that's over near the left? |
| 21:17.56 | Volaan | by the other "A"s |
| 21:18.00 | Shirik | yes but if you choose styles |
| 21:18.05 | Shirik | then when you change the table style the colors will update |
| 21:18.11 | Volaan | cuz that's what i was talkin bout |
| 21:18.13 | Volaan | ah |
| 21:18.16 | Volaan | i see |
| 21:18.18 | Amarande | Jamash: once Cata comes out, you basically cannot really do the ravasaur quest without tearing hair out until you're in at least Northrend, maybe 80+ and back to Azeroth |
| 21:18.22 | Kraps | zomg nerfs http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/2057-Cataclysm-Beta-Build-13241 |
| 21:18.29 | Fisker | zomg old Kraps |
| 21:18.36 | Jamash | Amarande: why not? |
| 21:18.41 | Kraps | zomg zomg Fisker |
| 21:18.45 | Amarande | Jamash: you certainly won't want to do it till at least 74, and that's IF they keep the Dala portal to Caverns of Time (I'm not sure if that one is being taken out too) |
| 21:18.47 | alestane | So you lost 8 Venomhide Baby Teeth, Amarande? |
| 21:18.51 | Amarande | alestane: yeah. |
| 21:19.22 | Amarande | alestane: Again, I can claim Blizzard favors Ally there, too :P |
| 21:19.30 | Amarande | You can't screw up your wintersaber the same way, since rep is permanent :) |
| 21:19.43 | alestane | Yes well. |
| 21:20.02 | Amarande | also, you can conceivably just hang out in Winterspring for as long as it takes to farm the rep |
| 21:20.13 | alestane | The Ravasaur quest didn't exist for a long time, and the Wintersaber rep grind used to be absolutely brutal. |
| 21:20.23 | Amarande | the Ravasaur, on the other hand you can get the quest in the early 50s ... and if you're any sort of WoW player, you're never going to be able to do it before you leave for Outland. |
| 21:20.31 | Kraps | hmm lfg will be separated by location http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/27497535489/region-wide-battlegroup-matching/ |
| 21:20.36 | alestane | I guess it's easier now, but it used to literally take weeks. |
| 21:20.50 | Amarande | Once you leave for Outland and Cata is out, you simply WILL NOT WANT to do it anymore until you're at least in Northrend, and that's IF the Dala CoT portal isn't being removed with the others (is it?) |
| 21:21.16 | alestane | If you're grinding that character out every day, then yes, you'll probably hit 58 before you finish it. |
| 21:21.27 | Amarande | alestane: yeah. or even 60-62 which is when I normally hit Outland |
| 21:21.45 | Amarande | on this hunter, I actually went till 64 before leaving. Doubt I'll do that again, although admittedly it did make Zeth'Gor not suck for once. :) |
| 21:21.49 | alestane | On the other hand, I'm taking care of it as my only real errand on that character every day while I do other stuff on my main. |
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| 21:22.10 | Amarande | What I want to know is why the hell the Weaken the Ramparts quest bugs up the quest log currently |
| 21:22.14 | Jamash | there's an npc that teleports you from shattrath to CoT too you know |
| 21:22.20 | alestane | I think I'm up to 16 teeth at the moment. |
| 21:22.25 | Computerpunk | Okay, so basically. |
| 21:22.31 | Amarande | Even when I logged out, turned off MonkeyQuest (the ONLY quest log related addon I have), and logged back in, it still didn't display entirely right in the log |
| 21:22.31 | Computerpunk | They killed Marksmanship Hunters. |
| 21:22.33 | Computerpunk | Like totally. |
| 21:22.40 | Xyphoid | is it a slap in the face? |
| 21:22.42 | Kraps | Computerpunk: qq |
| 21:22.43 | Amarande | (particularly, it doesn't display the zone name.) |
| 21:22.57 | Computerpunk | qq yes |
| 21:23.05 | Amarande | (which is probably why MQ is bugging up, I have a feeling it's one of those Lua foibles with OH NO THIS VALUE IS NIL SCREW YOU) |
| 21:23.07 | alestane | Honestly, I really don't feel the need for a quest tracking add-on. |
| 21:23.09 | Xyphoid | i'd be surprised if the Dal CoT portal survived, but the Shattrah one is rep-linked isn't it? |
| 21:23.19 | Amarande | Xyphoid: yeah, you need Revered |
| 21:23.25 | Amarande | which means 70+ and having done BM at least 2-3 times |
| 21:23.26 | Jamash | Computerpunk: no they didn't |
| 21:23.39 | Computerpunk | :< |
| 21:23.43 | Computerpunk | they nurfed. |
| 21:23.44 | Computerpunk | anyhow. |
| 21:23.45 | Computerpunk | sleep. |
| 21:23.46 | Computerpunk | :< |
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| 21:23.49 | Amarande | which, really, is something I tend to hate about Lua. Lua is probably the only language I know that hates getting a nil value so much. |
| 21:24.04 | Amarande | C doesn't complain at all to my knowledge unless you try to *dereference* a NULL pointer. |
| 21:24.20 | Kraps | ffs |
| 21:24.30 | Amarande | Lua, you virtually have to ensure there's data in any variable you pass at all times or it will crash out whining about the nil |
| 21:24.33 | Jamash | lua doesn't complain about nils until you do something with them |
| 21:24.33 | Volaan | dangit...just offhand does anyone know how to get the number of items required for a quest? (: |
| 21:25.05 | Amarande | alestane: I find the Blizz quest tracker is rather large, and it's also not movable. |
| 21:25.25 | alestane | I'm not sure why they removed the unlock funciton. |
| 21:25.56 | Amarande | I guess if you're max level and only doing dailies and the occasional raid quest, you might get away with the Blizz one. |
| 21:26.00 | Amarande | When you're leveling and have 20-25 quests on you? |
| 21:26.01 | Amarande | bah. |
| 21:26.06 | Kraps | http://gizmodo.com/5680409/the-history-of-the-uncanny-valley |
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| 21:26.14 | alestane | You sort by proximity and the world is a happy place. |
| 21:26.35 | alestane | Or you untrack the ones you aren't anywhere near. |
| 21:26.36 | Volaan | i meant with Lua |
| 21:26.39 | Amarande | Xyphoid: so yeah, trying to do the ravasaur quest while you're leveling in Outland (and you'll almost certainly level to Outland well before the 20 days have passed, if you pick up the quest once you can) |
| 21:26.43 | Amarande | is going to be EFFING HELL in Cata |
| 21:26.45 | Volaan | (: |
| 21:26.57 | Amarande | seeing as there's only what, *two* sure ways out of Outland that I'm aware of, and BOTH go to the Eastern Kingdoms? |
| 21:27.04 | Xyphoid | oh noes |
| 21:27.08 | Amarande | and you can only enter Kalimdor as Horde at the NORTH end, while you need to be at the SOUTH end for all of that. |
| 21:27.34 | Kraps | ""KG called me a cancer patient, I'm pissed because, u know how many people died from cancer, and he's tossing it like it's a joke." "My comment to Charlie Villanueva was in fact 'You are cancerous to your team and our league,'" Garnett said." |
| 21:27.42 | Kraps | lololol |
| 21:27.48 | Amarande | why are they trying to concentrate us all back into Orgrimmar again anyway? :S |
| 21:27.56 | Kraps | thats better.... no |
| 21:28.09 | Amarande | heh, this is odd |
| 21:28.14 | Amarande | apparently I still HAVE the venomhide baby teeth?! |
| 21:28.15 | syrae | Amarande: so the Alliance can take you all out with one nuke! |
| 21:28.18 | Amarande | I don't have the raptor, though |
| 21:28.21 | Fisker | me alestane |
| 21:28.23 | Fisker | however not you |
| 21:28.26 | Amarande | and will have to go back to Un'Goro and pick up a new one :P |
| 21:28.42 | Kraps | Amarande: how is dalaran better? |
| 21:28.46 | alestane | As long as you keep the teeth, that's not such a hassle. |
| 21:28.56 | Amarande | Kraps: because it was a hub |
| 21:29.05 | alestane | Are you just annoyed because in Cata, you won't be able to go straight to Thunder Bluff? |
| 21:29.21 | Amarande | alestane: or to Kalimdor at all from Outland, in particular |
| 21:29.29 | Jamash | Amarande: set your hearth in gadgetzan |
| 21:29.34 | Kraps | (besides the music) |
| 21:29.37 | Amarande | The only remaining exits from Outland are now the IQD portal and the Dark Portal, right? |
| 21:29.39 | Xyphoid | just do outland entirely in LFD |
| 21:30.11 | Jamash | getting rid of the portals is pretty stupid imo |
| 21:30.29 | Amarande | Jamash: indeed |
| 21:30.39 | Amarande | unless there's some particular cata feature that makes them want us out of Outland and Northrend |
| 21:30.47 | Lunessa | They've said repeatedly that they want Stormwind and Orgrimmar to be the hubs of activity for the factions. Putting the portals in Shattrath and then again in Dalaran really turned the capitol cities into ghost towns. |
| 21:30.54 | Jamash | Actually, (haven't checked this on beta to see if it's still there) there's a portal to Orgrimmar right next to the Outland side of the dark portal |
| 21:31.09 | Amarande | (more chance to get strafed by deathwing? except he doesn't hit capital cities, and I've heard noob areas are exempt too) |
| 21:31.22 | Kraps | Jamash: stromwind too |
| 21:31.36 | Kraps | s/ro/or/ |
| 21:32.14 | Amarande | actually, do we have any more details about Deathwing's strafe thingy? |
| 21:32.37 | Amarande | like any confirmation on how often he does it and which (if any) zones can't be chosen? |
| 21:32.55 | Lunessa | Just what they've already said on the forums. |
| 21:33.00 | Amarande | The latest rumor I've heard is he'll be doing it only once daily in a random zone, and that it won't be a capital city, a 1-10 area, or Outland. |
| 21:33.02 | Jamash | beta servars are down :( |
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| 21:33.20 | Jamash | really? that sucks |
| 21:33.44 | Fisker | i love you Jamash |
| 21:34.04 | Jamash | gay |
| 21:34.35 | Kraps | stop complaining everyone! |
| 21:34.51 | Jamash | but complaining is all we know how to do |
| 21:35.50 | Kraps | do it here http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/board.html?forumId=10001&sid=1 |
| 21:36.16 | Volaan | so ...um...how do i print to another chat window? ..as in other than general? |
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| 21:36.51 | Amarande | anyway, any of you got a quest log addon and haven't done one of the Hellfire Ramparts quests yet? |
| 21:37.37 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:37.47 | Amarande | Dagmar: yeah, or at least that |
| 21:37.59 | Dagmar | I have two of those quests in my log and the category is oddly blank. |
| 21:38.02 | Amarande | (and would that cause quest log addons to go batshit due to an unexpected nil?) |
| 21:38.09 | Dagmar | Could be. |
| 21:38.24 | Dagmar | MIght just be an empty translation string tho |
| 21:38.30 | Amarande | and yeah, like I said, that's one thing I *really don't like* about Lua |
| 21:38.46 | Amarande | every other language I've used just treats an empty string like, well, a normal string that doesn't have anything in it |
| 21:38.50 | Dagmar | Far as I know it knows the difference between nil and "" |
| 21:39.07 | Dagmar | Amarane: Perl knows about undefined vars |
| 21:39.19 | Dagmar | Ya make use of undef quite a bit in perl, actually |
| 21:39.26 | alestane | An empty string is, well, an empty string. |
| 21:39.38 | Amarande | alestane: in this case though, it seems like it's not getting "" but actually nil for some reason |
| 21:39.45 | Amarande | any idea what screwed up in 4.0.1 about Hellfire Citadel? |
| 21:39.56 | Amarande | (and is it being fixed in 4.0.3?) |
| 21:40.03 | Fisker | hey alestane |
| 21:40.33 | alestane | Lua gives the empty string no special handling at all. |
| 21:41.18 | Volaan | for instance: is there a built in function to send a message to party chat? |
| 21:41.49 | Dagmar | uh... yes? |
| 21:42.06 | Motig | SendChatMessage() and then you specify the party chat channel? |
| 21:42.13 | Volaan | thank you sir |
| 21:42.20 | Volaan | ..or ma'am |
| 21:42.26 | Motig | I'm a robot |
| 21:42.33 | Motig | ;D |
| 21:42.48 | Jamash | Volaan: do you mean print a message to a chat window on the client, or send a chat message to other players? |
| 21:42.56 | Volaan | then....thank you .. er.. robot |
| 21:43.05 | Volaan | to other players |
| 21:44.18 | Motig | bah wowpedia is very slow :\ |
| 21:44.45 | Motig | this is what you're looking for btw Volaan |
| 21:44.46 | Motig | http://www.wowpedia.org/API_SendChatMessage |
| 21:44.48 | Jamash | they're doing a database migration thing |
| 21:44.52 | syrae | I want to like Wowpedia, but it is definitely having transition issues |
| 21:45.00 | syrae | slowness + instability |
| 21:45.03 | Motig | I get those curse error pages |
| 21:45.03 | Motig | ALOT |
| 21:45.06 | Volaan | yeh, i got on wowprogramming to rook it up |
| 21:45.10 | Motig | ah allright |
| 21:45.22 | Volaan | but thank you (: |
| 21:47.17 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLiX5d3rC6o&NR=1 |
| 21:47.53 | Kraps | almost |
| 21:49.12 | Kraps | coulda fooled me i think |
| 21:49.47 | Lunessa | lulz - http://www.theonion.com/articles/progressive-parents-refuse-to-tell-child-its-sex,18395/ |
| 21:50.05 | Shirik | Looking for an apartment |
| 21:50.12 | Shirik | This is what I like to see at the bottom of the listing |
| 21:50.14 | Shirik | cats are OK - purrr |
| 21:50.15 | Shirik | dogs are OK - wooof |
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| 21:51.02 | Cide | weird shit |
| 21:56.00 | Lunessa | And on that note, I'm out. See you all later. |
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| 22:08.30 | Angayelle | hai people |
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| 22:12.36 | Kraps | holy crap sharm is way better than gigi |
| 22:13.02 | Arrowmaster | ? |
| 22:13.05 | Fisker | lol GG |
| 22:13.25 | Fisker | someone complaining on the forums about Blizzard applying honorless target to people who spirit ress to abuse the honor system |
| 22:13.46 | Kraps | Arrowmaster: singers in wow machinima |
| 22:14.25 | Kraps | its like mariah vs paris hilton |
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| 22:17.28 | Napoleone | to abuse+ |
| 22:20.52 | Shirik | what the hell |
| 22:21.02 | Shirik | this apartment's address is "814.5 Court Street" |
| 22:21.06 | Shirik | how do you get a .5 in your address |
| 22:21.30 | daev | ran out of letters. |
| 22:21.33 | Arrowmaster | duplex? |
| 22:21.34 | daev | 814b! |
| 22:21.41 | Shirik | it is a duplex yes |
| 22:21.49 | Shirik | they do .5? |
| 22:21.56 | Arrowmaster | i guess |
| 22:22.09 | Arrowmaster | they could do what ever they want really i guess |
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| 22:22.48 | Arrowmaster | neighbors house used to be a duplex, i think theyve got both 36 and 38 |
| 22:23.15 | Mirrormn | I would prefer a 814½ |
| 22:23.24 | Mirrormn | just more dignified |
| 22:27.03 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 22:28.10 | Kraps | 9 and three-quarters |
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| 22:52.46 | Volaan | so is != simply the word "not" in Lua? |
| 22:52.54 | Arrowmaster | ~= |
| 22:53.01 | p3lim | what arrowmaster said |
| 22:53.03 | Volaan | egh |
| 22:53.13 | Volaan | that's weird coming from Perl |
| 22:53.22 | jnwhiteh | well |
| 22:53.25 | jnwhiteh | 'not' is the word 'not' |
| 22:53.26 | p3lim | weird from Lua to perl too |
| 22:53.28 | Volaan | but to each language their own i guess |
| 22:53.30 | jnwhiteh | not equal is ~= |
| 22:53.32 | Volaan | hah |
| 22:53.33 | Volaan | true |
| 22:53.39 | Volaan | thank you |
| 22:53.44 | Amarande | Volaan, it's Lua. It's only a step or so above INTERCAL or such. :) |
| 22:54.31 | Fisker | geek is's jnwhiteh |
| 22:54.49 | Volaan | hmm..never heard of INTERCAL |
| 22:55.14 | Amarande | Volaan: that's probably a good thing. |
| 22:55.31 | Volaan | I'll take your word for it (: |
| 22:56.10 | Shirik | When you have a compounding interest in some account and also have continuous contributions to that account |
| 22:56.14 | Shirik | is there a name for that formula? |
| 22:56.29 | Amarande | Learning about INTERCAL tends to remove about fifty or so stacks of your Sanity debuff right off the bat. :) |
| 22:56.54 | Fisker | slaps Volaan around a bit with a large trout |
| 22:57.01 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 22:57.09 | Volaan | why you go round slappin ppl with fish maing? |
| 22:57.28 | Cide | Shirik: continuous or periodic compounding? |
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| 22:57.45 | Shirik | I'm making it periodic just for simplicity |
| 22:58.03 | Cide | well if you make it continuous isn't that basically the same as two sources of contiunous interest? |
| 22:58.07 | Cide | continuous |
| 22:58.29 | Shirik | Found it, it's called an annuity |
| 22:58.37 | Shirik | and Excel has a function for it yay |
| 22:58.46 | Cide | huh |
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| 23:00.56 | Volaan | excel = blegh |
| 23:01.09 | Volaan | which somehow reminded me that beer = good |
| 23:01.17 | Volaan | so i think it's beer time |
| 23:04.39 | Gnarfoz | you need a reminder that it's beer time? bad! |
| 23:05.08 | NightHawkTheSane | it is always beer time. |
| 23:05.36 | Volaan | ....too true...sometimes i just...forget |
| 23:06.22 | Arrowmaster | ack.... i got soup in my beard |
| 23:08.16 | syrae | pwned... http://i.imgur.com/grVdq.png |
| 23:08.25 | syrae | Arrowmaster: add crackers |
| 23:08.55 | Volaan | nice |
| 23:09.08 | Arrowmaster | syrae: to my beard? |
| 23:09.21 | syrae | Arrowmaster: to soak up the soup, obviously |
| 23:09.25 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: regardless, thats where they'd end up. |
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| 23:11.41 | Arrowmaster | well i need to reboot, vdpau decoding is messing up and i think it has something to do with me updating some stuff without rebooting |
| 23:13.07 | Volaan | so how do you tell if it's "you" who's triggering an event? is it just event specific? (the one I'm looking at is CHAT_MSG_LOOT |
| 23:14.17 | syrae | Volaan: addon development involves a lot of reverse engineering of what Blizzard has done. Sometimes people have documented stuff, sometimes people haven't. |
| 23:14.48 | syrae | Volaan: ie: I don't know the answer to your question, but I'd probably go and try testing how things work now and see how it works |
| 23:15.00 | Volaan | this i have found...just thought I'd ask if someone knew off the top |
| 23:15.09 | Volaan | but yes, that has been my process (: |
| 23:15.14 | syrae | :) |
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| 23:15.39 | Volaan | and I just cant seem to find any indicators for this event, which sucks cuz it's the one I'm using as a catalyst for my function |
| 23:15.56 | syrae | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:15.58 | syrae | s's code |
| 23:16.41 | Volaan | haven't seen /framestack yet |
| 23:16.49 | Volaan | been usin eventtrace like crazy tho |
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| 23:17.57 | Lunessa | Station |
| 23:18.01 | Caleb| | !api CHAT_MSG_LOOT |
| 23:18.02 | lua_bot | CHAT_MSG_LOOT: Fires when receiving notice that the player or a member of the player's group has looted an item (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/CHAT_MSG_LOOT) |
| 23:18.57 | Volaan | yeah, i looked at that, unfortunately the arg for "sender" is comin back null |
| 23:19.29 | Volaan | I guess I could regexp (or equivilant) on message for "You" and use that to identify the player as the looter |
| 23:19.52 | Volaan | wait....unless.....hmm |
| 23:20.11 | Volaan | maybe sender is null because I ..ie("You") am looting |
| 23:20.23 | Volaan | maybe if a party member loots it'd say their name? |
| 23:20.34 | Arrowmaster | there are global variables containing the strings uses to format the messages for that event |
| 23:20.52 | Arrowmaster | you can use them to match to the event to figure out which format string was used |
| 23:21.44 | Volaan | how would one find these variables? |
| 23:22.09 | Volaan | or rather, is there some repository for them? |
| 23:22.32 | Arrowmaster | GlobalStrings.lua |
| 23:22.37 | Volaan | thanks |
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| 23:29.35 | Volaan | wehew...I ended up just doing string.match(myString, "You") |
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| 23:31.26 | Kraps | the numbers of the beta patch are changed |
| 23:31.37 | Kraps | damage numbers |
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| 23:36.56 | Kraps | ~comfort bibi |
| 23:36.56 | purl | There, there, bibi. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 23:41.29 | Shirik | ok so |
| 23:41.32 | Shirik | I just did some math |
| 23:41.50 | Shirik | If I work for 45 years at my starting salary with a regular contribution to my 401(k) |
| 23:42.04 | Shirik | Then I start pulling out of it over 10 years |
| 23:42.10 | Shirik | I can pull out $145k a month |
| 23:42.13 | Shirik | I think Excel is lying to me |
| 23:42.24 | Arrowmaster | you forgot inflation |
| 23:42.44 | Shirik | I don't think I'm going to need $145k a month even with inflation |
| 23:42.50 | Arrowmaster | i think you will |
| 23:46.45 | Amarande | The (k) being in parenthesis because before the economic crash, you might have had 401k, and now you just have 401. :) |
| 23:47.57 | arkanes | Shirik: that seems high, but not *incredibly* high |
| 23:48.11 | Shirik | 45 years is a long time to work |
| 23:48.12 | Shirik | I guess |
| 23:48.26 | Shirik | It's the compounding interest part that's really messing with things |
| 23:49.26 | arkanes | what interest rate did you calculate? |
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| 23:49.40 | Shirik | 8% |
| 23:50.04 | Jerub | bear in mind that actual inflation is higher than government approved inflation |
| 23:50.07 | arkanes | 2k contribution a month is 10mil after 45 years with 8% compound interest |
| 23:50.08 | Shirik | I mean it kinda makes sense, if I assumed I took it all out at once and it was no longer invested, and then just divided by 12 and then 10 (monthly for 10 years) that's $15k a month |
| 23:50.10 | Jerub | and 8% is massively high |
| 23:50.10 | arkanes | that lokos about right |
| 23:50.36 | Shirik | But it stays in so it keeps compounding (I think) |
| 23:50.43 | Shirik | so that's why it became this massive number |
| 23:50.50 | arkanes | since you'd be taking out 17.4 million |
| 23:51.00 | arkanes | but yeah 8% is really high |
| 23:51.02 | Shirik | I got 1.8 million o.o; |
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| 23:52.04 | arkanes | 145k a month for 10 years is 17.4 million total withdrawal |
| 23:52.23 | Lunessa | You're assuming your retirement plan will actually accure 8% over that time frame. Some times it will, others less, others more. |
| 23:53.18 | arkanes | Shirik: you'll also be paying income tax on what you withdraw |
| 23:53.25 | Shirik | ah right I forgot that |
| 23:54.43 | arkanes | according to this little online thing, if you and your employer contribute 12k a year (not sure what matching contributions really look like), you work for 45 years, with an 8% return, you can then return on a solid 300-400k a year |
| 23:54.58 | arkanes | *retire |
| 23:55.27 | arkanes | contributing 2k a month for 45 years is a pretty hefty chunk of income, though, especially if you ever plan on having children or owning a home |
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