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| 00:01.40 | Humbedooh | uhm |
| 00:01.46 | Humbedooh | you can't set width and height like that :< |
| 00:02.04 | Humbedooh | use frame:SetWidth, frame:SetHeight or frame:SetSize(width,height) |
| 00:02.34 | Humbedooh | oh wait, you do |
| 00:02.45 | Humbedooh | albeit in a silly way ;> |
| 00:03.03 | Lulia | Umm |
| 00:03.08 | Lulia | I used to have SetWidth and SetHeight |
| 00:03.11 | Lulia | But they didn't work either |
| 00:03.23 | Lulia | SetSize, to my knowledge, works just like SetWidth and SetHeight, except consolidated. |
| 00:03.33 | Humbedooh | indeed |
| 00:03.43 | Lulia | I set the variables before using the functions |
| 00:03.44 | Humbedooh | I just didn't see it at first |
| 00:03.48 | Lulia | So I dont have to grab them after. |
| 00:04.04 | Lulia | The objects can be moved and sized, hence why they need a reset button. |
| 00:04.08 | Lulia | If things get too messed up. |
| 00:05.19 | Humbedooh | well the PowerBars.Base.Resource.Frame _should_ display the new dimensions in the code you pasted |
| 00:05.27 | Lulia | It doesn't. |
| 00:05.29 | Lulia | That's the issue |
| 00:05.43 | Lulia | It will often move the frame and sometimes size it a bit, but never the way it's supposed to |
| 00:05.47 | Lulia | Then I do a /reload |
| 00:05.49 | Lulia | And everything is fine |
| 00:06.03 | Cairenn | http://bit.ly/acf9sl |
| 00:06.21 | Humbedooh | there are some frames that are not accounted for tho |
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| 00:07.02 | Humbedooh | PowerBars.Base.Power.StatusBar and PowerBarsDB.PowSet.Frame |
| 00:07.05 | Lulia | Wait, you're the site admin of WoWInterface, Cairenn? |
| 00:07.13 | Cairenn | hides |
| 00:07.16 | Humbedooh | no no |
| 00:07.17 | Lulia | Oh, I was adding those in, Humb |
| 00:07.20 | Lulia | Those are new |
| 00:07.21 | Lulia | http://paste.wowace.com/2766/ |
| 00:07.24 | Cairenn | Lulia: yes, I am |
| 00:07.28 | Humbedooh | she just controls the kittens in charge of it |
| 00:07.31 | Lulia | hugs Cairenn. |
| 00:07.35 | Cairenn | just put two + two together? |
| 00:07.39 | Cairenn | hugs Lulia |
| 00:07.52 | Lulia | I never saw the name |
| 00:07.55 | Lulia | Just the avatar |
| 00:07.57 | Cairenn | ah |
| 00:08.00 | A-KO | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WVtZL5O_jQ |
| 00:08.01 | Lulia | So I didn't make the connection |
| 00:08.01 | Cairenn | Yep, is me |
| 00:08.17 | Lulia | Love the site. |
| 00:08.53 | Cairenn | Thanks |
| 00:08.55 | Lulia | I've been having trouble getting my stuff setup with WoWAce (though one of the mods did approve the project), but everything with WoWInterface was a breeze, already have 200+ downloads and 13 favorites on the AddOn :) |
| 00:09.00 | Humbedooh | hm, if you run GetSize after the whole setsize/setpoint, what's it return? |
| 00:09.16 | Cairenn | Lulia: excellent! glad you're finding it easy to use the site :) |
| 00:09.25 | Humbedooh | or GetRect for that matter |
| 00:09.49 | Cairenn | I don't know if your project is such that you need it, but if so, do look into both our SVN and our Author Portals |
| 00:10.08 | Lulia | SVN is what I've been having trouble getting to work with WoWAce |
| 00:10.10 | Humbedooh | also, eeep |
| 00:10.12 | Lulia | I'll add some prints in, Humb |
| 00:10.16 | Humbedooh | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:10.26 | Humbedooh | on line 12 |
| 00:10.31 | Lulia | oops |
| 00:10.35 | Lulia | That's also a new edit |
| 00:10.46 | Lulia | It used to just be Frame |
| 00:10.49 | Shirik | didn't get any hugs from Lulia :( |
| 00:10.51 | Lulia | But I'm making room for the second one. |
| 00:10.53 | farmbuyer | wowinterface has the very nice feature of having a functional search engine :-) |
| 00:10.57 | Lulia | hugs Shirik. |
| 00:11.01 | Shirik | too late now! |
| 00:11.12 | Humbedooh | I do know that the width and height can sometimes be a complex affair, so better to add too much debug at first than too little :) |
| 00:11.29 | Humbedooh | they did change a bit of secret frame stuff in cataclysm |
| 00:12.12 | Lulia | It should be noted that I used to get the size and width and points after settign them via values |
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| 00:12.21 | Lulia | And it still wouldnt work until after a /reload |
| 00:12.28 | Cairenn | Lulia: http://svn.wowinterface.com/ and http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/faq.php?faq=svn for our SVN stuff |
| 00:12.31 | Lulia | So, presumably, the functions will return the proper values. |
| 00:12.34 | Lulia | Thanks, Cairenn |
| 00:14.05 | Humbedooh | hm, have you tried using fx bottom left instead of just bottom as an anchor point? |
| 00:14.11 | Cairenn | Lulia: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3690&highlight=portal tells you about the portal system |
| 00:14.15 | tem | wait |
| 00:14.22 | Humbedooh | no you wait |
| 00:14.30 | tem | did I really just miss HuK beating IdrA with a mothership rush? |
| 00:14.36 | tem | because the stream failed |
| 00:14.39 | tem | fuck |
| 00:14.40 | tem | my |
| 00:14.41 | tem | life |
| 00:15.18 | alestane | That sounds like it would have been awesome to see. |
| 00:15.19 | Cairenn | hugs tem |
| 00:15.34 | tem | I'm sure there will be a vod later |
| 00:15.38 | tem | but like |
| 00:15.42 | tem | massive sadface |
| 00:16.05 | Kaelten | anyone around familar with firewalls on rhel? |
| 00:16.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Gotta admin, this expansion makes me very curious if I should play again |
| 00:16.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Kaelten: yes sir, what's up? |
| 00:16.23 | ScytheBlade1 | *admit |
| 00:16.33 | farmbuyer | I've set up iptables on rhel before, but it's been a while. |
| 00:16.38 | Humbedooh | Lulia: aaaalso, frame2 doesn't reset if you're not a warlock or death knight? |
| 00:16.43 | ScytheBlade1 | k |
| 00:16.54 | Kaelten | ScytheBlade1: I have a site that's getting ddos'd |
| 00:17.06 | Kaelten | and it's crashing the caching servers |
| 00:17.07 | Lulia | Frame 2 was just added, but it's actually the reverse |
| 00:17.11 | Lulia | Thanks for catching that |
| 00:17.14 | ScytheBlade1 | k |
| 00:17.16 | ZorbaTHut | http://img.waffleimages.com/56f40967eae1468b4b2ce39a0bb941801fe52f22/join%20teh%20battlt%20now.jpeg look at this high-quality advertisement for a completely original game |
| 00:17.17 | Lulia | It won't reset for Warlocks and DKs ;) |
| 00:17.18 | Humbedooh | err ye, the opposite |
| 00:17.42 | Kaelten | ScytheBlade1: don't suppose I can use the firewall to block all reqs to a given port with a specific host header |
| 00:17.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Kaelten: so what did you have in mind? |
| 00:17.46 | Humbedooh | I blame http://cache.boston.com/resize/bonzai-fba/Globe_Photo/2009/01/15/1232070672_8712/539w.jpg ! |
| 00:17.51 | Humbedooh | the doggie did it |
| 00:17.59 | Lulia | The problems of adding new stuff when the old stuff doesn't work |
| 00:18.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Kaelten: ohh, so, deep packet inspection |
| 00:18.01 | Lulia | http://paste.wowace.com/2767/ |
| 00:18.02 | Lulia | ;) |
| 00:18.14 | Kaelten | well I've dns'd black hole'd it |
| 00:18.17 | Kaelten | but that's not guarenteed |
| 00:18.18 | Zyn | BATTLT |
| 00:18.20 | Zyn | :| |
| 00:18.33 | Kaelten | alternatively if theres a command I can do to add ips to the table |
| 00:18.41 | Kaelten | I'll take that too |
| 00:18.47 | ScytheBlade1 | iptables -I INPUT -s a.b.c.d -j DROP |
| 00:18.51 | ScytheBlade1 | will drop everything from a.b.c.d |
| 00:18.53 | farmbuyer | ^ |
| 00:18.53 | Humbedooh | Lulia: if, right before you set the size, you add: print(Frame[1].Width, Frame[1].Height) |
| 00:18.59 | ScytheBlade1 | ignoring everything else in your firewall - it WILL be dropped |
| 00:19.00 | Humbedooh | what will it print then? |
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| 00:19.19 | Kaelten | iptables command not found |
| 00:19.24 | Kaelten | but yum says it's installed |
| 00:19.28 | Lulia | Yes |
| 00:19.29 | ScytheBlade1 | you running as root? |
| 00:19.35 | Humbedooh | you never know with blizzard, they might have requisitioned those values during the night |
| 00:19.37 | Lulia | Those are stored values of the object's current width and size. |
| 00:19.39 | Kaelten | sudo -s'd to root |
| 00:19.47 | farmbuyer | I think it sticks it up in /usr/sbin or /sbin, but those oughta be in root's path already. |
| 00:19.48 | ScytheBlade1 | not quite good enough |
| 00:19.49 | ScytheBlade1 | su - |
| 00:19.51 | bluspacecow | hmm |
| 00:19.51 | ScytheBlade1 | on top of that |
| 00:19.52 | bluspacecow | odd |
| 00:19.59 | bluspacecow | i do a lsof -i | grep World |
| 00:20.00 | bluspacecow | command |
| 00:20.03 | Humbedooh | Lulia: I know what they're supposed to print, but _do_ they print those values? :p |
| 00:20.06 | bluspacecow | to see what a servers IP address is |
| 00:20.08 | bluspacecow | and its got 2 |
| 00:20.10 | bluspacecow | O_O |
| 00:20.18 | Kaelten | ah |
| 00:20.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Kaelten: in any case, '/sbin/iptables' is your binary |
| 00:20.44 | Lulia | Cairenn, the problem with SVN and me is I don't know how to use a client to connect :( |
| 00:21.02 | Humbedooh | Lulia: windows? |
| 00:21.06 | Kaelten | iptables -I INPUT -j DROP -s a.b.c.d do the same |
| 00:21.10 | Kaelten | ScytheBlade1: ^? |
| 00:21.10 | Lulia | yup |
| 00:21.16 | Gnarfoz | server admin 101? |
| 00:21.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Kaelten: should |
| 00:21.26 | Kaelten | Gnarfoz: I hate iptables |
| 00:21.27 | Humbedooh | http://tortoisesvn.net/ |
| 00:21.29 | Humbedooh | is your friend |
| 00:21.32 | Gnarfoz | also, REJECT > DROP |
| 00:21.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Gnarfoz: not in the case of a DDoS. |
| 00:21.51 | Gnarfoz | sure, I'm pretty certain their server can handle that |
| 00:21.52 | bluspacecow | http://pastey.net/142302 == weird !!!! |
| 00:21.59 | Shirik | PHP guys |
| 00:22.00 | Humbedooh | Kaelten: just be lazy and use webmin? :P |
| 00:22.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Gnarfoz: sending out response packets is mighty useless in this case. |
| 00:22.06 | Gnarfoz | it's their http/php thingy can't |
| 00:22.13 | Shirik | I have a string with this: 254.201.54.82.80.2.152.80.208.ip-port.exitlist.torproject.org. 1741 IN A 127.0.0.2 |
| 00:22.25 | ScytheBlade1 | A DNS record! |
| 00:22.27 | Shirik | and then if (strstr($dig_output, "IN A 127.0.0.2")) |
| 00:22.33 | Shirik | This is evaluating to false |
| 00:22.35 | Shirik | any ideas why? |
| 00:22.39 | Lulia | Is it free, Humb? |
| 00:22.43 | Humbedooh | yup |
| 00:22.58 | Lulia | I'll give it a try, doing too many things at once |
| 00:22.58 | Lulia | ack |
| 00:23.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: plz2use strpos() |
| 00:23.40 | Shirik | why? |
| 00:23.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: faster, but in answer, no idea why that isn't matching |
| 00:24.05 | ScytheBlade1 | ... dumb question. Is $dig_output populated? |
| 00:24.10 | Shirik | yes I output it |
| 00:24.13 | Shirik | that's where I copied that from |
| 00:24.44 | Humbedooh | (strstr($dig_output, "IN A 127.0.0.2")) = empty |
| 00:25.01 | Humbedooh | methinks |
| 00:25.22 | Humbedooh | or not |
| 00:25.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Kaelten: to remove the rules at a later date, replace the -I with a -D |
| 00:25.54 | Shirik | here's the full output |
| 00:26.18 | Humbedooh | you sure the whitespaces are identical? |
| 00:26.25 | tem | oh wow that's cruel |
| 00:26.36 | tem | djWHEAT and DayNine were playing a joke on the viewers |
| 00:26.49 | tem | We didn't miss the first game while the stream was down |
| 00:26.50 | Humbedooh | you mean besides their names? :\ |
| 00:26.56 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/142303 |
| 00:26.59 | Shirik | output & results |
| 00:27.01 | Shirik | er |
| 00:27.03 | Shirik | output & code |
| 00:27.16 | Lulia | Humb, here it is with prints() |
| 00:27.17 | Shirik | ew what's with that highlighting |
| 00:27.17 | Lulia | http://paste.wowace.com/2768/ |
| 00:27.21 | Lulia | I'll test it a bit |
| 00:27.38 | Shirik | fixed hihglighting |
| 00:28.30 | Lulia | print("Point: "..Frame[1].Point.." | RelativePoint: "Frame[1].RelativePoint); -> print("Point: "..Frame[1].Point.." | RelativePoint: "..Frame[1].RelativePoint); |
| 00:30.59 | Lulia | It seems to reset just fine with move |
| 00:31.05 | Lulia | It's the resizing that causes most of thei ssues |
| 00:31.11 | Humbedooh | Shirik: what would >> print(strpos($dig_output, "IN A 127.0.0.2")) << print? |
| 00:31.18 | Shirik | I fixed it actually |
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| 00:31.36 | Shirik | if (preg_match("/IN\\s+A\\s+127\\.0\\.0\\.2/", $dig_output) > 0) |
| 00:31.39 | Shirik | not sure why |
| 00:32.02 | Shirik | I guess it's a tab instead of a space or something |
| 00:32.02 | Lulia | Alright, so: |
| 00:32.18 | Lulia | When I resized the frame it showed the resized frame in the current value before the reset |
| 00:32.33 | Lulia | Then the reset happened, the frame is NOT that size, but the reported sizes values are the correct ones |
| 00:32.41 | Lulia | If I do a /reload I'm sure it will be fine |
| 00:32.54 | Humbedooh | you've got a stuck anchor |
| 00:33.22 | Humbedooh | does GetSize and GetRect report the same frame size? |
| 00:34.26 | Humbedooh | also, do a dump _after_ you set .Height and .Width, but _before_ you run SetSize |
| 00:34.36 | Humbedooh | to see if height and width are somehow reserved |
| 00:35.04 | Lulia | a dump? |
| 00:35.07 | Humbedooh | that is, print them after the whole class check thingy |
| 00:35.11 | Lulia | All of the anchors are cleared. |
| 00:36.24 | Humbedooh | the stuff from line 7 through 18 in the last paste |
| 00:36.36 | Humbedooh | put that right after line 28 but before 29 |
| 00:37.03 | Humbedooh | or better yet, try setting the whole damn thing with hardcoded values |
| 00:40.15 | A-KO | http://www.wowbash.com/image-5782.html |
| 00:41.43 | Lulia | Getting rid of the point info from the prints |
| 00:41.49 | Lulia | Since all of that seems to work correctly |
| 00:41.56 | Lulia | Sorry, multi-tasking like crazy right now |
| 00:42.08 | Lulia | How does GetRect work? |
| 00:42.10 | Lulia | Never used it |
| 00:42.30 | Humbedooh | returns the position and visual size of a frame |
| 00:42.56 | Humbedooh | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Region/GetRect |
| 00:43.11 | Lulia | thanks |
| 00:43.33 | Humbedooh | unlike GetSize, GetHeight etc, it'll return the actual values |
| 00:44.33 | Lulia | Getting rid of Pow too, since I dont touch it's size right now |
| 00:46.55 | Shirik | I am a genius ScytheBlade1 |
| 00:46.57 | Shirik | did you know that? |
| 00:52.48 | Jamash | A certifiable genius? |
| 00:53.00 | Lulia | alright, those are added |
| 00:53.00 | Lulia | sec |
| 00:55.19 | Wobin | k, I'm impressed: http://cleolinda.tumblr.com/post/1449206947/gothiccharmschool-oh-what-a-fantastic-jack-o |
| 00:56.33 | Lulia | So, erm, Humb |
| 00:56.40 | Lulia | GetRect is also returning the correct values |
| 00:56.45 | Lulia | But the frame is clearly not that size |
| 00:56.46 | Lulia | >.> |
| 00:56.51 | Humbedooh | that's...odd |
| 00:57.01 | Humbedooh | you sure you're modifying the right frame? ;> |
| 00:57.41 | Lulia | Yes |
| 00:57.59 | Lulia | I can screenshot it with framestack if you dont trust me |
| 00:57.59 | Lulia | :P |
| 00:58.08 | Humbedooh | hmm, well then the time has come...to blame Kaelten! |
| 00:58.11 | Lulia | a /reload will set it properly |
| 00:58.15 | Humbedooh | Kaelten!!! you fix! nao! |
| 00:58.17 | Lulia | Because the values are correct |
| 00:58.24 | Lulia | The frame isn't being redrawn, that's the issue |
| 00:58.42 | Humbedooh | tried frame:Hide() and frame:Show() ? |
| 00:59.04 | Humbedooh | or mayhap resetting the parent |
| 00:59.56 | Humbedooh | aaaaanywhos, telly time |
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| 01:02.01 | Lulia | I've tried that too, Humb |
| 01:02.18 | Lulia | And the parent frame is what is being reset ;) |
| 01:02.25 | Lulia | It's just a little ways down the table tree |
| 01:03.08 | Humbedooh | just before I go |
| 01:03.22 | Humbedooh | try frame:SetScript("OnSizeChanged", print) |
| 01:03.31 | Humbedooh | then reset and see how many times the size changes |
| 01:03.49 | Lulia | Alright |
| 01:03.55 | Lulia | I just made a vid to show it, too ;) |
| 01:03.56 | Lulia | aww |
| 01:04.01 | Humbedooh | could be another function that's resizing the frame after your reset |
| 01:06.29 | Lulia | that's odd |
| 01:06.42 | Lulia | It's not triggering "onsizechanged" at all when it's reset |
| 01:06.47 | Lulia | Even though the size does change a little |
| 01:08.59 | Lulia | Fired twice after a /reload |
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| 01:19.12 | tem | I feel so badly for HuK on that game |
| 01:19.17 | tem | it's just yikes |
| 01:19.39 | Napoleone | go steelers!! ;P |
| 01:21.02 | Lulia | http://s766.photobucket.com/albums/xx304/ChocoGoob/Screenshots/?action=view¤t=Resetnotworking.mp4 |
| 01:21.08 | Lulia | There's the video of reset failing |
| 01:21.16 | Lulia | Where is this game I'm missing? |
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| 01:24.46 | Iriel | Lulia: Are you sure the problem isn't Frame (rather than Res / Pow) ? |
| 01:24.56 | Iriel | Lulia: I notice you dont clear the points of Frame at al |
| 01:25.05 | Lulia | Because Frame isn't a frame |
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| 01:25.12 | Lulia | It's a variable which stores their information :) |
| 01:25.21 | Iriel | Ah, non-intuitive naming FTL |
| 01:25.27 | Lulia | pfft |
| 01:25.30 | Lulia | It's Frame settings |
| 01:25.32 | Lulia | hence Frame! |
| 01:25.33 | Iriel | Especially because Res IS a frame |
| 01:25.40 | Iriel | And you reference Res as 'Resource.Frame' |
| 01:25.46 | Lulia | :P |
| 01:26.25 | Lulia | You'd rather I name it FrameSet? |
| 01:26.26 | Lulia | ;) |
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| 01:26.36 | Iriel | FrameSettings or Settings? |
| 01:26.45 | Lulia | Well |
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| 01:26.54 | Iriel | Anyway, that's beyond the point |
| 01:27.00 | Lulia | The actual variable is PowerBarsDB.PowSet.Frame |
| 01:27.23 | Lulia | Frame is just shortened to make less typing for me |
| 01:27.49 | Iriel | Do any of your objects have their own scripts that could be re-resizing them? Is your UIScale fixed? Are either of your trames marked Movable (and thus susceptible to relocation on-load due to user placement) ? |
| 01:28.24 | Lulia | Movable is turned off when they're locked |
| 01:28.32 | Lulia | The loading actually fixes them |
| 01:28.36 | Mirrormn | is you lua environment haunted? |
| 01:28.45 | Lulia | oops |
| 01:28.46 | Mirrormn | s/you/your |
| 01:29.01 | Lulia | Erm |
| 01:29.09 | Lulia | ./reload is what redraws the frame correctly |
| 01:29.20 | Mirrormn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:29.25 | Lulia | The problem almost certainly seems to be a problem with the frame redrawing. |
| 01:30.02 | Lulia | Since GetRect shows the proper width and height after hitting reset |
| 01:30.14 | Lulia | But it's not displayed as such on the screen until a /reload |
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| 01:35.32 | Lulia | Hmm, in the OnMouseDown event, does the self argument refer to the object that the mouse was clicked on? |
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| 01:36.50 | Lulia | seems so |
| 01:36.59 | Seerah | self refers to the frame whose script was triggered by OnMouseDown, yes |
| 01:37.25 | Seerah | as is the case with every script a frame can set |
| 01:42.37 | Ackis | wtf battle.net sends a notification when you remove someone from your real ID |
| 01:46.51 | Shirik | it's so you can qq |
| 01:46.58 | Lulia | Sweet, I just changed how my resize works |
| 01:47.06 | Lulia | Who wants to see my script to see how genius I am? |
| 01:47.17 | Lulia | (except I'm not really a genius and this should have been obvious to me before) |
| 01:48.19 | Ackis | h8 u Shirik |
| 01:51.14 | Kraps | omg Ackis y r u suhc a h8er????? |
| 01:51.19 | Ackis | why so mean Shirik? |
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| 01:52.12 | Stanzilla | Ackis: want hugs? |
| 01:55.22 | Ackis | no :( I'm too hurt for that |
| 01:55.29 | Ackis | I'm beyond all hugs |
| 01:55.59 | _adys | tackles cairenn |
| 01:56.08 | _adys | welcome to the club of lowercased nicknames |
| 01:56.12 | cairenn | heh |
| 01:56.34 | Ackis | you have some drool there _adys |
| 01:56.44 | _adys | vomits it on Ackis |
| 01:56.46 | Ackis | or are you trying to distinguish yourself from me? |
| 01:57.05 | _adys | im on a laptop and cba to fix settings her |
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| 01:57.35 | Hirsute | Anyone have any guesses about which US server might have the largest AH census? |
| 01:58.25 | Ackis | my 59 warlock now has epic riding |
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| 01:58.35 | Hirsute | Ackis: *cheer* |
| 01:58.38 | adys_ | ill tell you who else ive had epic riding with |
| 01:58.53 | Kraps | http://verydemotivational.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/demotivational-posters-pedobears.jpg |
| 02:04.22 | Lulia | By using scale instead of resize then scale |
| 02:04.27 | Lulia | I fixed my reset issue :D |
| 02:04.47 | Hirsute | Grrr. We have to resort to tooltip parsing, it seems, to tell programmatically how an item binds or if it is bound. Unless there's a function I'm just not aware of. |
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| 02:10.42 | Tuller | actually, can you tell if an item is bound by the tooltip? |
| 02:11.36 | Hirsute | It says "Soulbound" in the tooltip |
| 02:11.47 | Hirsute | So, scanning it, yes, you should be able to tell. |
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| 02:13.09 | Tuller | yes, the tooltip says "soulbound" |
| 02:13.16 | Tuller | but does your client know that |
| 02:13.49 | Tuller | though I could just be crazy right now |
| 02:14.31 | Hirsute | If you scan the tooltip, your client can know it, but we (the other devs on Auctioneer and I) don't like to do that, because it's hacky. |
| 02:15.38 | Lulia | Hey there, Tuller |
| 02:15.47 | Lulia | I finally got the CD Timers working for my Runes ;) |
| 02:16.07 | Tuller | hurray |
| 02:16.27 | Lulia | I even put in an option to allow OmniCC instead of my timers if they want to use their OmniCC settings. |
| 02:16.28 | Lulia | :D |
| 02:16.31 | Tuller | its not as hacky as it seems, since blizzard provides constants for it |
| 02:16.32 | Lulia | I felt clever doing that. |
| 02:16.51 | Lulia | Yeah, I just had to figure out how to do it. |
| 02:16.56 | Lulia | It's all learning for me right now. |
| 02:18.56 | Thrae | So of course after I said in IRC, "Don't you hate it when Windows suddenly doesn't open up new applications but the currently loaded applications respond fine?", I went through a week of recovering data after a catatrosphic failure of both my system RAID0 *and* my backups. After much trial & error, I found "testdisk" can really be a lifesaver. Also you shouldn't do Windows 7 *image* backups to networks if you can do it ... |
| 02:19.02 | Thrae | ... locally *first*. I also tried some cool (Windows) programs like RAIDReconstructor + GetDataBackNTFS, but just a simple Linux-based "System RescueCD" with "testdisk" was the easiest tool to recover corrupt partitions and/or RAID metadata. |
| 02:19.22 | Lulia | :P |
| 02:19.27 | Lulia | That was a lot to read. |
| 02:19.33 | Lulia | Glad things worked out though? |
| 02:19.44 | Lulia | Tuller, do you make any other AddOns? |
| 02:19.54 | Tuller | yes |
| 02:20.11 | Thrae | I just spent ~60 hours seeing how much data I can recover from a RAID0 metadata failure. I have a lot to say. |
| 02:20.11 | Lulia | Hmm |
| 02:20.14 | Lulia | ~Tuller |
| 02:20.14 | purl | from memory, tuller is the author of bongos and vbagnon. |
| 02:21.10 | Gnarfoz | Thrae: I have little to say. Don't RAID0 |
| 02:21.14 | Thrae | Tuller: What's vbagnon? Combuctor with a vagina? |
| 02:21.40 | Baps | vbagnon is a mod that combines (and remembers) your bags and bank and now gbank |
| 02:21.49 | Baps | it's one of my most favorite mods |
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| 02:21.57 | Tuller | that's bagnon |
| 02:22.06 | Thrae | Yeah, but regular non-"v" bagnon did that too. |
| 02:22.39 | Thrae | It's built into Combuctor, which Tuller also made and I used to use back in the day I actually played WoW. |
| 02:23.43 | Lulia | Combuctor? |
| 02:23.45 | Gnarfoz | so we're still no bit closer to knowing what vbagnon is :D |
| 02:23.47 | Tuller | vbagnon is kindof hard to find a screenshot of on the internet nowadays |
| 02:23.57 | Thrae | Gnarfoz: You wouldn't say to an entimologist, "Don't keep bugs as pets." I not only work in the game industry, specializing in PC gaming, I also have server experience for my backup career. Understanding RAID is important for both. |
| 02:24.16 | Gnarfoz | yet you used raid0 for something important. |
| 02:24.31 | Tuller | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7341420/vbagnon.jpg |
| 02:24.53 | Gnarfoz | Lulia: Combuctor is like Bagnon but ugly (read: blizzard UI style) and with cool categorization/searchability/filtering, I guess ;-) |
| 02:24.56 | Tuller | vbagnon was bagnon + categories, pre combuctor, and right about when the first expansion hit |
| 02:25.18 | Lulia | Does your mod filter bag items, Tuller? |
| 02:25.22 | Thrae | Gnarfoz: If it was important, I wouldn't be back after just 60 hours. I could have been done in 3-5 hours with a reinstall and manual rebuild, but where's the learning experience in that? |
| 02:26.19 | Thrae | Gnarfoz: The best time to learn how to fix something is with something that's broken! |
| 02:26.20 | Tuller | yes, both have searching |
| 02:26.22 | Gnarfoz | *shrug* |
| 02:27.05 | Lulia | I might have to look it up then |
| 02:27.15 | Lulia | bagnon is the latest one? |
| 02:27.24 | Gnarfoz | bagnon and combuctor are both "latest" |
| 02:27.34 | Gnarfoz | they do different things =) |
| 02:27.41 | Gnarfoz | or rather, they do inventory differently |
| 02:28.12 | Seerah | I used to use vBagnon.... Was an advanced Bagnon that used the PeriodicTable library for sorting/filtering :) Then I floated around and moved to ArkInventory after it broke, and then switched to Combuctor (which I don't think is ugly :p ) |
| 02:28.21 | Thrae | I remember everyone saying Combuctor was the shniznit, as an improvement on Bagnon. |
| 02:28.30 | Seerah | *nod* |
| 02:28.39 | Seerah | I think it was even a Pick of the Week, iirc.... |
| 02:28.45 | Lulia | Oh |
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| 02:29.04 | Seerah | goes back to ignoring IRC and working on this week's PotW |
| 02:29.04 | Lulia | Combuctor uses the Blizz UI and Bagnon doesn't. I'll have to check them out. |
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| 02:29.30 | Lulia | I |
| 02:29.34 | Seerah | eh... they both use the Blizzard bags, if that's what you're referring to, Lulia |
| 02:29.38 | Lulia | I'm just so happy that I fixed my reset problem :) |
| 02:29.40 | Seerah | just all-in-one |
| 02:30.08 | Thrae | Then again I have to stop being surprised when I hear people still using addons that either haven't been updated, the preceeding version, or are just horrible (not in Tuller's case). |
| 02:30.14 | Seerah | Combuctor has different WoW-like textures and has filtering options, |
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| 02:30.51 | Seerah | while Bagnon offers an LDB plugin on its frame, no? |
| 02:31.05 | Tuller | yep |
| 02:31.07 | Lulia | Oh, the filtering options is what I'm looking for :) |
| 02:31.16 | Lulia | I guess I'll check out Combuctor then |
| 02:31.24 | Gnarfoz | ldb display is certainly the central point of an inventory addon :D |
| 02:31.44 | Thrae | I think between the two, compared to when Tuller feels like coding, "Combuctor" is more of a playground for new features while "Bagnon" (which is also partly in Combuctor) he seems to keep stable feature-wise. Not that new features == unstable, but they can increase the risk of instability and incompatibility. |
| 02:32.13 | Gnarfoz | oO |
| 02:32.14 | Lulia | http://paste.wowace.com/2769/ |
| 02:32.27 | Lulia | That's my new resize function |
| 02:32.27 | Tuller | that's how tullaCC/omniCC works now |
| 02:32.27 | Lulia | I think it works quite well :) |
| 02:32.27 | Thrae | Tuller does this because he's a smart project leader. |
| 02:32.38 | Ackis | pings Seerah just because she's ignoring IRC. |
| 02:32.44 | Lulia | tullaCC ? |
| 02:32.58 | Seerah | Gnarfoz: it's useful for money diplays, currency displays, garbage or inventory type plugins, etc. |
| 02:33.03 | Seerah | ~lart Ackis |
| 02:33.03 | purl | beats Ackis senseless with a 50lb Unix manual |
| 02:33.05 | Tuller | tuller does that because tuller would have a billion emails if he killed either |
| 02:33.15 | Gnarfoz | Seerah: errr... yes? |
| 02:33.27 | Seerah | you just seemed to be poking fun at it, is all :) |
| 02:33.30 | Lulia | Tuller: hehe :P |
| 02:33.46 | Lulia | The problems of popularity? |
| 02:33.50 | Gnarfoz | I was "poking fun" at you making it a feature that distinguishes it from combuctor |
| 02:34.03 | Seerah | well, it DOES! :p |
| 02:34.14 | Gnarfoz | ... |
| 02:34.18 | Seerah | :D |
| 02:34.28 | Tuller | it was the easiest way to integrate sorting/currency tracking |
| 02:34.32 | Seerah | okay, now I'm really finishing PotW |
| 02:34.37 | Lulia | 254 downloads on my AddOn on WoWInterface! |
| 02:34.39 | Ackis | lies |
| 02:34.40 | Lulia | And 13 Favs! |
| 02:34.45 | Ackis | you know I'll ping you again Seerah |
| 02:34.47 | Ackis | wait I just did |
| 02:34.48 | Gnarfoz | grats |
| 02:34.49 | Ackis | muhahahahaha |
| 02:35.02 | Seerah | don't make me lart you again! |
| 02:35.06 | Lulia | I still need to figure out how to use Tortise to work with WoWAce |
| 02:35.12 | Lulia | ~lart Seerah |
| 02:35.12 | purl | blasts Seerah to oblivion with a kamehameha wave |
| 02:35.15 | Ackis | I'm lart immune, it's been done so many times to me |
| 02:35.23 | Lulia | ~lart Ackis |
| 02:35.23 | purl | pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps Ackis |
| 02:35.26 | Seerah | just for that, Ackis, I'm not picking you for PotW :p |
| 02:35.32 | Lulia | PotW? |
| 02:35.34 | Gnarfoz | tortoise should work with curse repos just like with any others |
| 02:35.45 | Ackis | I wasn't even in the running Seerah :D |
| 02:35.47 | Seerah | http://www.wowinterface.com/pickofweek.php |
| 02:35.54 | Lulia | Probably, Gnarfoz, but I've never done a repo before |
| 02:35.56 | Seerah | and you're not getting picked! :) |
| 02:36.10 | Lulia | Aww :( |
| 02:36.17 | Ackis | I was picked once and that's all that matters to me :D |
| 02:36.27 | Lulia | Mine's not in release yet anyways ;) |
| 02:36.30 | Seerah | technically, wasn't it Torhal who did the work for that? ;) |
| 02:36.34 | Ackis | of course, Torhal stole it from me... like he steals everything else that's important to me |
| 02:36.45 | Seerah | I think you let him have it |
| 02:36.57 | Ackis | nah Seerah we both did the work |
| 02:37.09 | Ackis | although he's now rewritten ARL and has to do it to collectinator still |
| 02:37.21 | Seerah | I don't know... I made Torhal fix a thing or two before I did the write up ;) |
| 02:37.46 | pompy | lul ackis |
| 02:37.56 | Ackis | that's why Torhal is considered my minion :) |
| 02:38.00 | Ackis | pompy too! |
| 02:38.01 | Lulia | How do you make your picks, Seerah? |
| 02:38.04 | pompy | yes |
| 02:38.04 | Ackis | ~torhal |
| 02:38.05 | purl | well, torhal is one of Ackis' favourite minions. Pompy too. |
| 02:38.09 | Ackis | :D |
| 02:38.21 | Seerah | hehe |
| 02:38.35 | Seerah | Lulia: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14960 :) |
| 02:38.55 | Ackis | wow has lost it's appeal for me, and without those two ARL would've died methinks |
| 02:39.11 | Lulia | I see |
| 02:39.24 | Lulia | Well, hopefully I manage to make the list when mine hits a release version ;) |
| 02:39.53 | Torhal | no, purl, Torhal is a pseudo-hippy programmer whom Ackis would like to think of as his minion. |
| 02:40.03 | Ackis | go back to sleep hippie minion |
| 02:40.22 | Torhal | Foo |
| 02:40.35 | Lulia | Your avatar is cute, Seerah :) |
| 02:40.46 | Seerah | thank you. That's Chromie |
| 02:41.05 | Lulia | Is it? Hmm, I guess it is! |
| 02:41.12 | Seerah | TCG art |
| 02:41.20 | pompy | Torhal: get to work |
| 02:41.21 | pompy | jk |
| 02:41.55 | Torhal | pompy: I'm working on not purchasing two Uzi submachine guns and a bus ticket to New Jersey. |
| 02:42.07 | Ackis | no pompy, it's Torhal fix collectinator |
| 02:42.13 | pompy | lol |
| 02:42.15 | Ackis | ~comfort Torhal |
| 02:42.15 | purl | There, there, Torhal. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 02:42.48 | Torhal | Ackis, pompy: I'll fix Collectinator if you two finish the Curse Raid Tracker and buy/install a new engine in my Ford Exploder. |
| 02:43.05 | Torhal | Yes - it's an Exploder, since the fucking engine exploded at 80MPH today. |
| 02:43.09 | pompy | i see what you did there |
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| 02:43.32 | Torhal | I think the factory fucked up and put an R where the D was supposed to be. |
| 02:44.12 | Tuller | that'll teach you to drive an suv as a hippie! |
| 02:44.18 | Torhal | Bah! |
| 02:44.43 | Seerah | this is why he is a pseudo-hippie. Long hair, but kills the environment |
| 02:44.51 | Torhal | Heh. |
| 02:45.03 | Torhal | Well, I now apparently kill SUVs. |
| 02:45.17 | Seerah | why must they fix what you broke then? |
| 02:46.11 | Torhal | Because they're persistant when it comes to me fixing shit, yet have better things to do themselves. :D |
| 02:47.28 | Torhal | BTW: For those who lack a clue, The Walking Dead series premiere is tonight. |
| 02:47.44 | Ackis | what is it Torhal? |
| 02:47.54 | kd3 | braaaaains~ |
| 02:48.12 | Torhal | Ackis: What kd3 said. It's a friggin' TV series. |
| 02:48.36 | Torhal | Based on a highly-acclaimed comic/graphic novel. |
| 02:48.58 | kd3 | is still disappointed at how the anime adaptation of highschool of the dead ended |
| 02:49.03 | Ackis | ah |
| 02:49.04 | Ackis | sounds boring |
| 02:49.18 | Humb^telly | Kaelten: fix teh download counters! >:C |
| 02:49.26 | Humb^telly | nao! |
| 02:49.30 | Kaelten | huh? |
| 02:49.45 | Humb^telly | they're still reporting odd random numbers for me :\ |
| 02:49.48 | Torhal | Kaelten: The Walking Dead. Did you see it? |
| 02:50.01 | Kaelten | no, but I've felt like it before |
| 02:50.10 | Torhal | Bah |
| 02:51.09 | Humb^telly | wasn't there liek, also, a plan to have those download counter stat things show on wowace? |
| 02:51.34 | Ackis | Torhal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DsaXfNgQZ4 |
| 02:51.43 | Humb^telly | Torhal spread rumors about it! |
| 02:51.51 | Humb^telly | blames Torhal for the excitement! |
| 02:52.24 | Lulia | Humb |
| 02:52.29 | Lulia | I fixed the resize issue :) |
| 02:52.33 | Lulia | reset* |
| 02:52.43 | Humb^telly | yay |
| 02:52.52 | Humb^telly | so, what was the cause of the borkness? |
| 02:52.55 | Torhal | Humb^telly: I see what you did there. You blamed me on a channel where I'm not opped! |
| 02:53.05 | Lulia | Well, I changed my resize function to a scaling function |
| 02:53.06 | Humb^telly | Torhal: I see that too! |
| 02:53.21 | Lulia | So I used SetScale in the reset instead. |
| 02:53.35 | Humb^telly | mkay, I s'pose that'd work as well |
| 02:53.41 | Lulia | http://paste.wowace.com/2769/ |
| 02:53.46 | Lulia | It works better, for me |
| 02:53.51 | Humb^telly | but it's still odd that 4.0.x has all those quirky width/height issues |
| 02:53.54 | Lulia | I only wanted users to scale it in the first place. |
| 02:54.02 | Lulia | However, with the bars added |
| 02:54.10 | Lulia | Those will probably have some width or height adjustments. |
| 02:54.17 | Ackis | afk 4 xbox |
| 02:54.19 | Tuller | i'm watching it at the moment, seems okayish |
| 02:54.23 | Lulia | So I might still have to figure out the width and height issues at some point |
| 02:54.29 | Tuller | then again, i'm not super focused on it |
| 02:55.44 | Humb^telly | Tuller: are you ever? ;> |
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| 02:56.43 | Torhal | Humb^telly: He was focused enough to write TWO cooldown addons! |
| 03:00.06 | Tuller | technically its 2.5 right now |
| 03:00.42 | Seerah | hehe: http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/2052-Falstad-Wildhammer-is-back-Season-9-Models-Blue-Posts |
| 03:00.53 | Seerah | it was suggested on the forums, and so it became true |
| 03:01.09 | Seerah | (perhaps coincidentally, but... still... ) |
| 03:04.27 | Lulia | amazing |
| 03:05.22 | Torhal | Seerah: It's MMO-C! Bibi has supernatural powers! |
| 03:05.43 | Seerah | hmm? |
| 03:06.21 | Torhal | Seerah: @Seerah | it was suggested on the forums, and so it became true |
| 03:06.37 | Seerah | but it was suggested on the o.forums :) |
| 03:06.46 | Torhal | Hehe |
| 03:09.15 | Lulia | Tuller: 2.5? |
| 03:09.41 | Tuller | if you count betas |
| 03:10.57 | Hirsute | So, wow. It's been a while since I've actually seen someone logged into wow (I'm away from home and without my authenticator). The earthquakes are getting stronger. |
| 03:12.47 | Tuller | its a good setup |
| 03:13.33 | Jamash | I'm not sure what event to wait for to be sure that the spellbook has settled down on initial login |
| 03:26.12 | Jamash | nevermind |
| 03:27.35 | Jamash | no, wait, I'm still not sure |
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| 03:34.03 | Lulia | Cairenn! |
| 03:34.07 | cairenn | hi |
| 03:34.38 | Lulia | Why are you purple now? |
| 03:35.00 | cairenn | I dunno, am I? |
| 03:36.24 | Lulia | Yeah, now you have a purple background to your name and Cairenn has a lowercase c |
| 03:36.38 | Lulia | Whereas before you had a yellow background and a red name with an uppercase C |
| 03:37.23 | Dagmar | Whatever you're using for an IRC client has serious taste issues |
| 03:37.25 | Cairenn | and now? |
| 03:37.38 | Cairenn | and, what Dagmar said! ;) |
| 03:38.13 | Thrae | I think purple is a good colour for Cairren. |
| 03:38.13 | Lulia | Hmm |
| 03:38.23 | Lulia | Now it's a yellowbackground with purple text |
| 03:38.25 | Lulia | :) |
| 03:38.28 | Thrae | Also for Cairenn. |
| 03:38.46 | Cairenn | giggles at then hugs Thrae |
| 03:39.07 | Lulia | grins. |
| 03:39.30 | Cairenn | fyi, purple (dark) IS actually a good colour on me ;) |
| 03:40.46 | Lulia | I wouldn't know ;) |
| 03:40.52 | Lulia | But I do like the purple text. |
| 03:41.09 | Cairenn | have to ask - what client are you using? |
| 03:41.11 | Jamash | ok, so it appears that when a character logs in for the very first time, SPELLS_CHANGED fires once before the spellbook has been populated, and then again after the spellbook has been populated |
| 03:41.17 | Lulia | KVIrc |
| 03:41.41 | Cairenn | don't know that one, personally |
| 03:41.44 | Lulia | Interesting, Jamash. |
| 03:41.50 | Lulia | I forget who suggested it. |
| 03:41.54 | Lulia | Why, what do you use? |
| 03:42.24 | Jamash | so now I refuse to believe in the spellbook until it has at least one spell in it |
| 03:42.25 | Cairenn | currently I'm on Pidgin (go go multi-protocol!) |
| 03:42.57 | Lulia | I have Pidgin |
| 03:43.04 | Lulia | But I couldn't figure out how to set it up for IRC |
| 03:43.05 | Lulia | :-/ |
| 03:43.09 | Jamash | this should prevent the SPROING effect I linked to earlier |
| 03:43.16 | Cairenn | I flip back and forth between Pidgin and Trillian |
| 03:43.36 | Lulia | I love Pidgin |
| 03:43.39 | Cairenn | oh, that's easy |
| 03:43.41 | Jamash | I tried pidgin for IRC but I didn't like it for some reason |
| 03:43.51 | Lulia | If I could figure out how to set it up for IRC I'd probably try it out |
| 03:43.55 | Cairenn | want the tutorial now, or later? |
| 03:44.05 | Jamash | I use it for aim, yahoo and google chat |
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| 03:45.25 | Amarande | ok, this is an odd bug with Bartender |
| 03:45.30 | Cairenn | hi Amarande |
| 03:45.38 | Amarande | why are my hunter's keybindings apparently screwed up to the point of needing to ALL BE INDIVIDUALLY REDONE? |
| 03:45.41 | Amarande | heya Cairenn :) |
| 03:45.45 | Amarande | Happy Halloween! |
| 03:45.51 | Jamash | that happened to me Amarande |
| 03:45.53 | Cairenn | and to you |
| 03:45.55 | Jamash | don't know why |
| 03:46.00 | Amarande | no matter how many times I try to recopy over a BT4 profile from another toon, they don't get reset |
| 03:46.17 | Jamash | brb |
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| 03:48.06 | Jamash | mmk now using pidgin |
| 03:48.10 | Amarande | and no, reset profile, /console reloadui, load from other toon that works, /console reloadui, even that doesn't work. |
| 03:48.44 | Amarande | anyone know why that bugs up? |
| 03:48.53 | Amarande | and why it doesn't help to copy over from another toon? |
| 03:48.58 | Jamash | no idea |
| 03:49.07 | Jamash | I just ended up resetting my keybindings :-/ |
| 03:49.09 | Amarande | (or are keybindings now Blizzard UI based even ones for BT, for secure frames reasons?) |
| 03:49.35 | Jamash | I don't think BT uses the blizzard keybindings, but let me check |
| 03:50.42 | Jamash | no, BT has its own keybinds |
| 03:50.44 | Dagmar | Nah BT works like it always has |
| 03:51.32 | Amarande | hmm, what I did just notice though |
| 03:51.52 | Amarande | Moirean's SavedVariables folder has a file called bindings-cache.wtf that appears to have data in it, while the other toons' bindings-cache.wtf is blank |
| 03:53.26 | Amarande | there's also a bindings-cache.wtf in the main account WTF directory that's got all of them |
| 03:54.15 | Amarande | let's see, delete the one from Moirean's dir, copy the one from Vladoka's ... |
| 03:55.24 | Dagmar | You need to get the lua files, not those bindings things |
| 03:56.02 | Amarande | Dagmar: actually, that IS the bug. |
| 03:56.25 | Amarande | when it happens, the character whose keybindings are stuck has a bindings-cache.wtf in the individual character folder that has data in it |
| 03:56.42 | Amarande | which causes that file to completely override the bindings-cache.wtf under the account, which characters that have a blank individual bindings-cache.wtf use |
| 03:56.49 | Amarande | but I'm not sure HOW Moirean ended up with one with data in it |
| 03:57.00 | Dagmar | Yeah thats definitely weird |
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| 03:58.08 | Cairenn | hi! |
| 03:58.25 | Lulia1 | Woah |
| 03:58.33 | Cairenn | you may find you don't like it as an IRC client |
| 03:58.40 | Lulia1 | Better quit and re-log in ;) |
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| 03:59.30 | Cairenn | you may find you don't like it as an IRC client |
| 03:59.33 | Cairenn | but I have so many things open, that it's worth it to me to give up some of the 'advantages' of a full blown irc client, to save the screen realestate |
| 03:59.34 | Mirrormn | I'm using Smuxi and it kind of sucks =/ |
| 03:59.36 | Lulia | We'll find out :) |
| 04:00.53 | Cairenn | you may want to look into the IRC Helper and IRC More plugins for it |
| 04:00.58 | Cairenn | I have them both, they help |
| 04:01.15 | Lulia | What do they do? |
| 04:01.24 | Cairenn | additional options |
| 04:01.32 | Shirik | we require additional pylons |
| 04:01.48 | Lulia | I see. |
| 04:02.24 | Cairenn | I presume you've already got libpurple |
| 04:03.04 | Amarande | and then I just got a 2048ms lag spike |
| 04:03.32 | Cairenn | Lulia: http://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/ThirdPartyPlugins |
| 04:04.23 | Amarande | anyone else having trouble with Stormstrike battlegroup servers tonight? |
| 04:04.29 | Amarande | I just DC'd and it's taking forever to get back on |
| 04:04.44 | Amarande | and apparently my different-battlegroup servers aren't having issues |
| 04:05.03 | Lulia | I dunno if I have libpurple |
| 04:05.07 | Lulia | I've shied away from plugins |
| 04:06.11 | Amarande | and after checking a couple other servers it got stuck on "Logging on to game server" and now I can't connect to wow. |
| 04:06.14 | Amarande | any known server issues tonight? |
| 04:06.41 | Lulia | I see no libpurple in my plugins list |
| 04:07.59 | Cairenn | damnit I need my own computer with my own bookmarks back :p |
| 04:08.24 | Lulia | lol |
| 04:08.41 | Lulia | And where is your computer? :P |
| 04:08.49 | Cairenn | dead |
| 04:09.25 | Cairenn | errr, crap, I didn't mean libpurple, I meant purple-plugin-pack: http://plugins.guifications.org/trac/downloads |
| 04:09.36 | Cairenn | http://plugins.guifications.org/trac/wiki/PluginPack |
| 04:09.45 | Napoleone | hmm arent textures be in the power of 8? |
| 04:09.49 | Shirik | power of 2 |
| 04:09.58 | Napoleone | so 336 should be possible right |
| 04:09.59 | Cairenn | IRC Helper and IRC More are both part of it |
| 04:10.04 | Shirik | 336 is not a power of 2 |
| 04:10.16 | Napoleone | 2 4 8 16 32 64 128 256 512 |
| 04:10.19 | Napoleone | dam |
| 04:10.22 | Dagmar | visualizes a texture balooning out to the power of 8, like a wallet photo being used as a mainsail in a high wind |
| 04:10.49 | Cairenn | oi! |
| 04:11.25 | Cairenn | Lulia: myself, I adore Purple Plugin Pack and Guifications, but again, that's me |
| 04:11.27 | Amarande | gaaaahhhh, Blizzard, your tech support page = fail |
| 04:11.28 | Lulia | .zip.asc? |
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| 04:11.56 | Amarande | they have this idea that if someone can't connect to WoW but can get on the rest of the Internet fine, it's somehow something that can be solved by rebooting the USER'S LOCAL router |
| 04:12.02 | Shirik | uh no |
| 04:12.03 | Cairenn | blames Bleeter, who isn't currently here |
| 04:12.05 | Amarande | when, obviously, if any router's at fault there, it's Blizzard's. |
| 04:12.05 | Shirik | the asc file is a signature |
| 04:12.22 | Napoleone | well could be virus related aswell |
| 04:12.25 | Amarande | that's just basic logic, c'mon Blizzard. |
| 04:12.37 | Dagmar | Amarande: Blame all the people who call up the moment they have a problem, without actually testing anything else |
| 04:12.58 | Dagmar | People are generally stupid. |
| 04:13.02 | Shirik | first rule of tech support: The customer is always wrong |
| 04:13.07 | Lulia | I can't read the .zip.asc file |
| 04:13.14 | Shirik | That's because you're not supposed to read it |
| 04:13.18 | Shirik | that's a signature |
| 04:13.23 | Dagmar | Help Desk came to us in Network Operations last week with a problem... Someone couldn't use their laptop to get on the campus wireless. |
| 04:13.25 | Lulia | O.o |
| 04:13.32 | Lulia | So do I remove the .asc? |
| 04:13.34 | Shirik | no |
| 04:13.36 | Dagmar | I fail to see how it was so irrational of me to make sure they HAD a wireless card. |
| 04:13.37 | Shirik | you download the zip file |
| 04:13.39 | Dagmar | They didn't have one. |
| 04:13.39 | Jerub | Amarande: hi. uh. i work with networks. thenumber of times i've had people say, "that's not logical, i shouldn't have to do that step because it doesn't make any sense" |
| 04:13.47 | Lulia | Ah |
| 04:13.53 | Lulia | It was down a little beneath the .tar |
| 04:13.56 | Jerub | Amarande: and it turns out that a day later, they do that step they refused to do and it resolves the problem. |
| 04:14.05 | Dagmar | It makes using 802.11 pretty tough when your notebook doens't actually have built-in wireless. |
| 04:14.27 | mikma | yeah |
| 04:14.34 | Xyphoid | rebooting my router has fixed network issues for me |
| 04:14.36 | Xyphoid | so there you go |
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| 04:15.24 | Amarande | Xyphoid: yeah but wouldn't those be more widespread network issues, rather than ones with a single site :) |
| 04:15.33 | Xyphoid | not necessarily |
| 04:15.34 | Amarande | if your router has issues, chances are you can't get on more of the net than just WoW |
| 04:16.09 | Jerub | Amarande: sure. and it's very possible to not notice that you have severe net problems. |
| 04:16.53 | Jerub | Amarande: good example. router that's transparently proxying, it might drop the rules that let it NAT traffic to the net, but it continues to tproxy port 80 traffic. |
| 04:16.58 | Jerub | reboot it and everything comes good. |
| 04:17.14 | Jerub | and because you were a jerk and ignored the troubleshooting steps, you wasted someone's valueable time. |
| 04:17.56 | Amarande | Jerub: also, if the local router was screwed up, tracert would stop at the router, not go out onto the backbone and get stuck in att.net on the 15th hop right? |
| 04:18.07 | Jerub | Amarande: whitelisted icmp traffic perhaps? |
| 04:18.08 | Lulia | You said the IRC plugins are in the purple back? |
| 04:18.19 | Jerub | Amarande: these things aren't uncommon! |
| 04:18.44 | Jerub | seriously, don't rage about perfectly rational troubleshooting steps, you're just being a jerk to people providing support. |
| 04:19.19 | Amarande | however, it does appear there's something stuffed up in New York on AT&T. |
| 04:19.28 | Amarande | is anyone else able to get on a Stormstrike BG server right now? |
| 04:20.16 | Amarande | also: is the master WoW login server based in the NY Datacenter? |
| 04:20.34 | Amarande | (looks like it might be, since the forums servers apparently also are, and now it won't log me on at all) |
| 04:20.41 | Xyphoid | Jerub: this kind of thing is why i really hated that xkcd strip about tech support recently |
| 04:20.55 | Jerub | Xyphoid: which one was that? |
| 04:21.15 | Cairenn | Lulia: yes |
| 04:21.39 | Amarande | Cairenn: which datacenter is the main login server for WoW located in? |
| 04:21.47 | Cairenn | for WoW? |
| 04:21.53 | Cairenn | ffik |
| 04:22.00 | Amarande | yeah, so I can traceroute it (or if it's in the NY one, then I already know) |
| 04:22.00 | Cairenn | fiik, rather |
| 04:22.14 | Jerub | Amarande: you should be able to ping # 63.240.65.10 or # 63.240.65.14 |
| 04:22.29 | Xyphoid | http://xkcd.com/806/ |
| 04:22.43 | Lulia | brb |
| 04:23.02 | Jerub | Amarande: hell, your ip might be blacklisted on a router or bgp might be screwed up and resetting your router will allocate you an ip in a different range and everything works. |
| 04:23.39 | Amarande | Jerub: that only works with DSL ;) |
| 04:23.50 | Amarande | with cable, you usually need to be offline for ten minutes to a half hour or more to make it give you a new IP |
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| 04:24.17 | Jerub | Amarande: see you in 30 minutes. |
| 04:24.21 | Amarande | cable modems practically marry their current IP address. |
| 04:24.27 | Amarande | also, those 63. addresses do trace. |
| 04:24.31 | MentalPower | aye, much easier |
| 04:24.35 | Dagmar | Hard resets usually make them forget |
| 04:24.46 | Jerub | Amarande: those ips are the last hops before the wow servers. |
| 04:25.10 | MentalPower | nop, we lease our IPs for 180 days |
| 04:25.12 | Jerub | Amarande: everything from there on has icp ttl exceeded dropped, i.e. you can't traceroute. |
| 04:25.43 | Jerub | Amarande: so. uh. you've managed to totally misdiagnose your problem, and perhaps you should follow the troubleshooting steps better. |
| 04:25.49 | Jerub | (suck it) |
| 04:26.09 | Amarande | hmm. tracerouting Turalyon is showing terrible packet loss within att.net NY core routers |
| 04:26.31 | Amarande | yeah, everything's getting stuck within a bunch of 12.122 addresses |
| 04:26.34 | Amarande | goddamn you, AT&T |
| 04:26.56 | Amarande | First Law of Telecom: 95% of telecom related problems are somehow related to AT&T. |
| 04:27.09 | Jerub | for you americans, sure. |
| 04:27.22 | Jerub | the rest of us are rarely bothered. |
| 04:29.05 | Gnarfoz | (we can also follow troubleshooting steps) |
| 04:29.23 | Gnarfoz | and we also realize that traceroute does not (by default) use icmp |
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| 04:30.16 | Gnarfoz | also, there's not one "wow master login server" |
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| 04:30.27 | Humb^telly | there's three! |
| 04:30.33 | Amarande | Gnarfoz: by that, I mean, the server that it first has to connect to when you enter your password, before it even gets to the "choose realm" list |
| 04:30.46 | Gnarfoz | Humb^telly: the EU address RR's to 4 already, so bleh |
| 04:30.49 | Humb^telly | that's a battle.net one :< |
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| 04:31.10 | Gnarfoz | Amarande: what makes you think there's just one of those? |
| 04:31.57 | Gnarfoz | anyway, have fun figuring it out the complicated way =} |
| 04:32.03 | Gnarfoz | sleepytime |
| 04:32.08 | Amarande | Gnarfoz: I'd expect them all to be in a single datacenter anyway. Otherwise, everyone's account has to be swapped across the public Internet to keep things synced between servers ... which seems a horribly, horribly evil thing to do security-wise. :) |
| 04:32.16 | Lulia | Cairenn: I accidentally created an extra SVN project :( |
| 04:32.19 | Lulia | How do I delete it? |
| 04:32.29 | Cairenn | ping dolby :) |
| 04:32.48 | Gnarfoz | Amarande: keeping it all in one place is horrible security-wise. >_> |
| 04:32.49 | mikma | haste: http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/happy_bottle.jpg |
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| 04:32.56 | Gnarfoz | also, encryption. |
| 04:33.10 | dolby | Lulia: whats the name of the project/ |
| 04:33.12 | dolby | ? |
| 04:33.29 | Lulia | Umm |
| 04:33.35 | Lulia | LuPowerBars-738 |
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| 04:34.59 | dolby | ok its gone Lulia :) |
| 04:35.05 | Legorol | Gnarfoz: what do you mean by "traceroute does not (by default) use icmp"? That is exactly what it uses |
| 04:35.16 | Lulia | dolby: Thanks |
| 04:35.53 | Gnarfoz | Legorol: explain -I, then? http://ss64.com/bash/traceroute.html |
| 04:36.13 | Gnarfoz | (or -U, the default, which is the opposite) |
| 04:36.26 | Jamash | any kind of traceroute relies on ICMP replies |
| 04:37.02 | Gnarfoz | Jamash: same question to you, then |
| 04:37.07 | Jamash | so you're both right (or equally, both wrong) |
| 04:37.08 | Legorol | Gnarfoz: I don't know what version of traceroute is that, but originally traceroute uses ICMP Echo requests (just like Ping) with gradually incremented TTL |
| 04:37.23 | Jamash | Gnarfoz: probe and reply are not the same |
| 04:37.24 | Legorol | and that's how it's implemented in systems that I know of |
| 04:37.46 | Legorol | now, I can very well imagine you can also traceroute using UDP and TCP, but I have not seen that before |
| 04:37.51 | tem | wow |
| 04:37.54 | Gnarfoz | uhm... neither of you answered the question, really |
| 04:37.56 | tem | Tonight's daily was fantastic |
| 04:38.04 | tem | it's helped me improve so much |
| 04:38.12 | tem | I already notice HUGE results in my play |
| 04:38.18 | Legorol | part of the reason why ICMP is used originally is that that doesn't require a UDP or TCP stack to be present, just IP |
| 04:38.20 | Jamash | Gnarfoz: Probe (UDP) and reply (ICMP) are not the same. |
| 04:38.40 | Legorol | Jamash: i don't understand you |
| 04:38.42 | Gnarfoz | Legorol: apparently, that's not what's happening anymore. |
| 04:38.44 | Gnarfoz | :~$ traceroute -V |
| 04:38.44 | Gnarfoz | Modern traceroute for Linux, version 2.0.15, Jul 18 2010 |
| 04:38.56 | Gnarfoz | (also, this has been the same for over 5 years, so bleh) |
| 04:38.57 | Humb^telly | what Gnarfoz means, traceroute, the _program_ doesn't use icmp by default |
| 04:39.00 | Humb^telly | +is |
| 04:39.06 | Gnarfoz | version number just for reference, since you were asking |
| 04:39.13 | Legorol | traceroute the program for what? Linux? |
| 04:39.18 | MentalPower | aye |
| 04:39.26 | Legorol | because traceroute the program for Windows uses ICMP, tyvm |
| 04:39.28 | MentalPower | ICMP traceroutes require root provs |
| 04:39.33 | MentalPower | privs even |
| 04:39.35 | Jamash | Humb^telly: and he's wrong |
| 04:39.35 | Humb^telly | it's called tracert on windows :\ |
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| 04:39.45 | Jerub | giggles. |
| 04:39.49 | Jerub | networking is hard, yo. |
| 04:39.59 | Legorol | at any rate, Jamash, what do you mean? |
| 04:40.12 | Gnarfoz | he's suggesting that the request would be udp and the reply, magically, icmp |
| 04:40.20 | Legorol | I don't think anyone ever claimed that UDP and ICMP are the same |
| 04:40.24 | Jerub | Gnarfoz: um, that's how traceroute works |
| 04:40.24 | Gnarfoz | (at least that's the only way that sentence makes sense) |
| 04:40.25 | Jamash | Legorol: Linux traceroute, by default, sends UDP probes and expects ICMP replies |
| 04:40.37 | Legorol | Jamash: O.o |
| 04:40.39 | Jerub | Jamash speaks truth. |
| 04:40.52 | Amarande | all traceroutes expect ICMP replies |
| 04:40.55 | Legorol | Oh I see what you mean by "probe" now |
| 04:40.58 | Jerub | What actually happens is a random udp packet is sent to the destination with a TTL set to 0, 1, 2, 3, etc. |
| 04:41.01 | Legorol | so "probe" = outgoing message |
| 04:41.05 | Jamash | yes |
| 04:41.06 | Amarande | the whole way traceroute *works* is by reading the IPs on the "time exceeded" ICMPs |
| 04:41.16 | Jerub | and each step along the way sends a ICMP TTL Exceeded response when the TTL reaches 0 |
| 04:41.23 | Jerub | the TTL is decreased by each hop |
| 04:41.25 | Humb^telly | Legorol: "anal icmp" would just sound stupid :> |
| 04:41.40 | Gnarfoz | that agreed, why the hell does icmp require superuser privs? ;o |
| 04:41.44 | Jamash | it doesn't |
| 04:41.57 | Amarande | Gnarfoz: security |
| 04:41.59 | Jerub | Gnarfoz: because sending ICMP messages requires socket(AF_RAW |
| 04:42.16 | Jamash | oh I see what you mean, outgoing ICMP |
| 04:42.17 | Amarande | otherwise, J. Random Shell User would be able to smurf |
| 04:42.25 | Amarande | and that would be ... what we like to call a bad thing |
| 04:42.50 | Jerub | Gnarfoz: and because if you can send unprivileged icmp messages, you can really screw up your network by making everything think you have a path MTU of 100 bytes and randomly reset connections :) |
| 04:42.51 | Jamash | well, they could put in an ICMP interface for unprivileged users, but they don't feel like it |
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| 04:42.53 | Humb^telly | hm, what about tcp sync then? |
| 04:43.06 | Gnarfoz | Jamash: ! |
| 04:43.36 | Jerub | windows kinda has. they only support sending ICMP on AF_RAW |
| 04:43.44 | Jerub | anything else gets rejected :P |
| 04:44.13 | Amarande | I thought Windows did away with AF_RAW entirely because that security blogger guy QQed and QQed until he somehow convinced MS that raw sockets would destroy us all? |
| 04:44.27 | Jerub | Amarande: yes. |
| 04:44.30 | Jamash | I remember that |
| 04:44.38 | Jerub | but they had to leave it there and put validation in to retain the ability to ping |
| 04:44.40 | Amarande | or was that only in XP, and they came to their senses in Vista or 7? |
| 04:44.42 | Jerub | (which also required AF_RAW) |
| 04:44.45 | Legorol | Ok what I conclude from this is that it's not true that traceroute doesn't use ICMP anymore. You still need it at least for the response, because of the whole concept of the thing. |
| 04:44.54 | Jamash | Legorol: Pretty much |
| 04:44.58 | Amarande | Jerub: was he right about that, btw? |
| 04:45.13 | Jerub | Amarande: who was right about what? |
| 04:45.23 | Gnarfoz | someone, about something! |
| 04:45.26 | Jerub | if you're referring to Legorol, i have no idea, i'm not a windows user. |
| 04:45.27 | Amarande | Jerub: that blogger claiming raw sockets would destroy us all |
| 04:45.34 | Jerub | Amarande: oh, hehehe |
| 04:45.36 | Amarande | would they really have been able to do that? :| |
| 04:45.38 | Humb^telly | Legorol: the whole concept relies on the icmp, so I would think so |
| 04:46.06 | Legorol | Humb^telly: that's what i thought. That's why i was surprised when Gnarfoz said that traceroute doens't use ICMP |
| 04:46.18 | Amarande | Of course, with XP or 7, I can't be fully sure |
| 04:46.23 | Humb^telly | or rather, I'd assume that a lot of stuff would get lost or blocked if you tried anything else |
| 04:46.25 | Gnarfoz | Legorol: well, I was partly right! :D |
| 04:46.25 | Legorol | Amarande: what's the question about XP? |
| 04:46.29 | Jerub | Amarande: um. i don't know what his reasoning was, but it sounds like that stupid line of reasoning, "if the OS stops you from emitting electrical impulses in a certain way we're safer" |
| 04:46.42 | Amarande | Legorol: given that apparently the economic costs of unchecked DDoS were massive enough, and XP came out pretty much right after the economic damage from 9/11 too |
| 04:46.49 | Jerub | when any savant with a 9v battery can hotwire whatever they want onto an ethernet layer with their teeth. |
| 04:47.04 | Amarande | if Windows machines could have been wormed to become DDoS zombies, it might well have shaken the digital economy so badly that the US economy would have been ruined for decades? |
| 04:47.13 | Gnarfoz | wtf |
| 04:47.14 | Amarande | even years before the housing crash? |
| 04:47.20 | Humb^telly | Amarande: hmm, I have this feeling that XP was shipped in the 1820s :\ |
| 04:47.24 | Legorol | ?? what are you on about |
| 04:47.28 | Legorol | what does that have to do with traceroute |
| 04:47.36 | Jerub | Amarande: i think you're repeating bullshit thirdhand without understanding. |
| 04:47.37 | Gnarfoz | nothing at all |
| 04:47.41 | Amarande | Legorol: I was speaking of the "raw sockets will destroy us all" crack that the one blogger was on. |
| 04:48.05 | Humb^telly | clearly you were linking al qaeda and traceroute! |
| 04:48.11 | Jamash | the thing about raw sockets is that there are plenty of zombie windows machines with or without raw sockets, and you can send DDoS attacks with or without raw sockets |
| 04:48.20 | Amarande | Humb: no, more the fact that if windows machines had been able to become zombies more efficiently |
| 04:48.24 | Gnarfoz | al-qaida uses traceroute to bring down the us economy |
| 04:48.26 | Amarande | given that the economy was ALREADY shaken by September 11th |
| 04:48.38 | Jamash | the dude is a crank |
| 04:48.40 | Amarande | it might have been too much loss for the economy to handle at once and broken it rather than just recessed it |
| 04:48.46 | Jerub | Amarande: please stop this line of reasoning, there's no coherant logic here. |
| 04:48.50 | Humb^telly | thus, by the transit of...tarp, using linux is unpatriotic! |
| 04:49.05 | Gnarfoz | line of reasoning implies reason. this is just pure, unfiltered madness. |
| 04:49.20 | Gnarfoz | ;D |
| 04:49.26 | Jerub | Gnarfoz: ;) |
| 04:49.27 | Humb^telly | I thought I already broke the line of reasoning earlier :\ |
| 04:49.33 | Lulia | Hmm |
| 04:49.40 | Lulia | I'm pretty sure I sent something to my svn |
| 04:49.47 | Lulia | But it's not zipping |
| 04:49.47 | Legorol | I think that if you are going to attack someone, you are likely to be using a tool you are in control of.. hence you can send whatever type of packets you want |
| 04:50.01 | Jamash | indeed |
| 04:50.15 | Amarande | Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if later zombie worms just used their own TCP stacks. |
| 04:50.30 | Legorol | why do you need that |
| 04:50.35 | Legorol | what's wrong with just using the host |
| 04:50.48 | Humb^telly | well, Legorol.. |
| 04:50.50 | Amarande | Legorol: because the DDoS folks needed raw sockets to make their poison packets |
| 04:50.55 | Legorol | yes i know that |
| 04:50.59 | Humb^telly | if it's a zombie worm, it'll eat the host's brains |
| 04:51.03 | Legorol | >.< |
| 04:51.06 | Humb^telly | so the host dies eventually :\ |
| 04:51.06 | Amarande | that's why the crazy blogger said that raw sockets needed to be eliminated from consumer OS |
| 04:51.06 | Lulia | I need to get used to SVN because that's how WoWAce works |
| 04:51.31 | Jerub | it's amazing that people are still only just now getting with subversion |
| 04:51.35 | Legorol | my point is: it's very rare that a stupid enduser that falls victim to a worm is able to sandbox the worm so that the zombie can't use raw sockets |
| 04:51.51 | Gnarfoz | Lulia: cf/wowace also allow uploading of zip archives and support git & mercurial, besides svn. ;) |
| 04:51.52 | Jerub | when there's github/bitbucket/launchpad providing a really compelling reason to use dvcs. |
| 04:52.00 | Jamash | according to a MSDN blog I just read, they disabled sending of raw TCP entirely and disabled UDP source spoofing |
| 04:52.16 | Jerub | Lulia: i would really recommend using git or mercurial instead of svn. |
| 04:52.20 | Amarande | Jamash: did either of those ever have a useful legitimate purpose, btw? |
| 04:52.22 | Jerub | if you can. |
| 04:52.23 | Jamash | git sucks |
| 04:52.37 | Jamash | Amarande: I dunno |
| 04:52.40 | Amarande | I'm not really versed enough in low-level networking to really know whether they do |
| 04:52.41 | Gnarfoz | git is just complicated, that's all^^ |
| 04:52.45 | Jerub | Jamash: i'm using my 'outside' voice. my inside voice agrees with you. |
| 04:52.46 | Humb^telly | Amarande: I could think of uhm..development purposes for it? |
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| 05:13.26 | Lulia | Hmm, apparently P_E_W doesn't give the power information I need for UnitPower |
| 05:16.00 | Lulia | However, if I comment out the function that is called in P_E_W and log-in, I see 0/0 for the power display. If I dont comment out the function I see 0/100 |
| 05:16.12 | Lulia | If I do a /reload, however, I see a 0/0 even with the function left in. |
| 05:16.19 | Lulia | Something has to be different between the two. |
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| 05:22.22 | Humb^telly | pew? |
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| 05:23.05 | Jamash | Lulia: local f = CreateFrame("Frame", nil, UIParent); f:RegisterAllEvents();f:SetScript("OnEvent", function(frame, event, ...) if something involving UnitPower() then print("ok"); frame:UnregisterAllEvents() end end) |
| 05:23.11 | Lulia | Hmm, now I'm debating the efficiency of what I'm doing. |
| 05:23.22 | Jamash | do that |
| 05:23.41 | Lulia | I ran into this problem mostly because I decided not to make a base resource frame if the class didn't have a non-power bar resource |
| 05:23.47 | Lulia | I will, Jamash, thanks :) |
| 05:23.49 | Jamash | have the print function be more verbose than "ok" but that's the essential gist of it |
| 05:24.19 | Lulia | However, now I have to pepper my script with a ton of if VariableContainingFrame then VariableContainingFrame does stuff end |
| 05:24.25 | Lulia | Just to keep it all savvy and error free |
| 05:24.52 | Jamash | yeah that sounds error-prone |
| 05:25.03 | Lulia | I think I might just create the frame and hide it |
| 05:25.10 | Lulia | one frame isn't a huge issue, right? |
| 05:25.18 | Jamash | I try to put all my "if something is initialized then blah else initialize it" code in one place |
| 05:25.36 | Lulia | Well, the frame is utilized throughout the AddOn |
| 05:25.36 | Jamash | one frame is nothing |
| 05:25.45 | Lulia | Affected by various movement and resize scripts, etc... |
| 05:25.49 | Jamash | where's that macro I wrote |
| 05:26.02 | Humb^telly | the /y I R AWSUM one? |
| 05:26.51 | Humb^telly | Lulia: it's not the amount of frames, but the amount of stuff inside them that matters the most |
| 05:27.45 | Amarande | ahh, there we go, looks like WoW is back |
| 05:27.52 | Amarande | which means it WASN'T my cable modem or router :P |
| 05:28.03 | Amarande | it was, in fact, the fact that AT&T tends to fail at a lot of things, such as life |
| 05:28.14 | Amarande | which reminds me, I need to switch to Verizon once my cell contract is up, too |
| 05:29.03 | Lulia | The base frame has two textures |
| 05:29.06 | Lulia | And itself |
| 05:29.17 | Lulia | And is the parent frame of another frame which has a texture |
| 05:29.26 | Lulia | All for resource stuff |
| 05:30.10 | Amarande | ok, this is odd, when I logged onto the DK I was fine, when I logged onto the hunter I got DC'd |
| 05:30.32 | Amarande | and it was the hunter I got the massive lag spike followed by DC and about a half hour of complete WoW/Bnet downtime after fixing the keybindings file for, too |
| 05:30.42 | Amarande | don't tell me warden now considers manual alterations of certain files in WTF to be an exploit :| |
| 05:30.53 | Jamash | this macro: /dump (function()local t={};for k,v in pairs(_G)do local y=type(v);if y=="table" and v.GetParent then t.widget = (t.widget or 0)+1 else t[y]=(t[y]or 0)+1 end end return t end)() |
| 05:31.07 | Jamash | that will tell you how godawful your UI is in terms of globals |
| 05:31.40 | Jamash | the base UI comes in around 20k widgets |
| 05:32.02 | Amarande | I'm supposing it's more likely that AT&T just sucks, though, mainly because, well, AT&T sucks |
| 05:32.08 | Lulia | I have 25k |
| 05:32.16 | Jamash | so, 20k base and 5k from addons |
| 05:33.07 | Lulia | lua> local testvar = "super"; if testvar == "awesome" or "great" or "super" then print(hi!) end |
| 05:33.07 | lua_bot | Lulia: luabot:1: ')' expected near '!' |
| 05:33.14 | Jamash | no |
| 05:33.19 | Lulia | hmm |
| 05:33.31 | Humb^telly | can't nest it like that |
| 05:33.31 | Lulia | I just wanted to see if that worked ;) |
| 05:33.54 | Humb^telly | and ("awesome" or "great" or "super") would return "awesome" |
| 05:33.55 | Lulia | Typing var == something or var == something or var == something sucks :P |
| 05:34.11 | Jamash | watch the master at work |
| 05:34.20 | Humb^telly | ye well it's still three conditions, Lulia |
| 05:34.44 | Humb^telly | and it should be print("hi!") |
| 05:35.29 | Jamash | lua>local t={super=true,awesome=true,great=true};local v="super";if t[v]then print("hi!")end |
| 05:35.29 | lua_bot | Jamash: hi! |
| 05:35.30 | Humb^telly | and the code you did would print "hi!" because or ("great" or "super") would return true |
| 05:35.47 | Humb^telly | not really shorter, jamash ;P |
| 05:36.01 | Jamash | it is if you're testing more than three options |
| 05:36.20 | Humb^telly | it depends on the context I guess |
| 05:36.24 | Lulia | But you have to explicitly tell them if they're true... |
| 05:37.33 | Lulia | if not select(2,UnitClass("Player")) == "DEATHKNIGHT" or select(2,UnitClass("Player")) == "PALADIN" or select(2,UnitClass("Player")) == "DRUID" or select(2,UnitClass("Player")) == "WARLOCK" then -- Nothing else PowerBarsDB.PowSet.ResDisable = 1; end |
| 05:37.43 | Lulia | That's the specific if statement I wanted to make shorter |
| 05:38.03 | Jerub | i need a new badkitty i think |
| 05:38.05 | Humb^telly | uuurgh |
| 05:38.11 | MentalPower | eek! |
| 05:38.11 | Humb^telly | plz2makelocal |
| 05:38.19 | MentalPower | agrees |
| 05:38.24 | Humb^telly | local class = select(2,UnitClass("Player")) plz0rs |
| 05:38.28 | Jamash | ^ |
| 05:38.34 | MentalPower | ^^ |
| 05:38.36 | Lulia | I do that a lot, just not always |
| 05:38.42 | Jamash | ALWAYS |
| 05:38.46 | Lulia | My code is sort of inconsistent |
| 05:38.47 | Lulia | >.> |
| 05:38.57 | Humb^telly | no need to call a gazillion API things when you can avoid it |
| 05:39.10 | Jamash | making a local <<<< calling a function x times in terms of resource usage |
| 05:39.13 | Jerub | oh sweet, it's been updated lately. |
| 05:39.15 | Humb^telly | try doing it 50k times and time it :p |
| 05:39.22 | Jamash | also terseness |
| 05:39.32 | Shadowed | Context is what matters |
| 05:39.33 | Jamash | and maintainability |
| 05:39.37 | Humb^telly | and pie |
| 05:39.40 | Shadowed | If you're calling something in an OnUpdate, optimizing it is good |
| 05:39.47 | Shadowed | if you call it once every minute, it doesn't really matter |
| 05:40.09 | Jamash | true, for infrequently called code, maintainability trumps efficiency |
| 05:40.19 | Jamash | in this case, the more efficient solution is also the more maintainable one |
| 05:40.22 | Shadowed | yea |
| 05:42.06 | MentalPower | local classesThatTrigger = { DEATHKNIGHT = true, PALADIN = true, DRUID = true, WARLOCK = true}; local playerClass = select(2,UnitClass("Player")); if classesThatTrigger[playerClass] then --[[doStuff()]] end |
| 05:42.07 | Jerub | i wonder if i would be a bad person for redoing my bear as a dpsbear |
| 05:42.37 | Jerub | what's the tool to use at the moment for theorycrafting? |
| 05:43.18 | Jamash | now if I was going to be horrible, I would write if strfind("DEATHKNIGHTPALADINDRUIDWARLOCK",select(2,UnitClass("player"))) then blah blah end |
| 05:43.37 | Shadowed | I would ban you then |
| 05:43.44 | Jamash | I did say "if" |
| 05:43.58 | Humb^telly | I would make a new class called Dwarloc! |
| 05:44.05 | Shadowed | Don't worry, Cairenn|afk wouldn't let me keep you banned anyway |
| 05:44.13 | Jerub | Jamash: bah, you'd not doing it right |
| 05:44.30 | Jamash | or am I? |
| 05:44.33 | Jerub | "DRUIDEATHKNIGHTPALADINWARLOCK" |
| 05:44.39 | Jamash | true |
| 05:44.44 | Jamash | saves one character that way |
| 05:44.50 | Jerub | see, instant win |
| 05:45.00 | Shadowed | anyway |
| 05:45.03 | Shadowed | if you were to do that properly |
| 05:45.04 | Shadowed | you'd do |
| 05:45.26 | Shadowed | "DRUID DEATHKNIGHT PALADIN WARLOCK" or "DRUID DEATHKNIGHT PALADIN WARLOCK " and strfind (select(2, UnitClass("player")) + " ") |
| 05:45.29 | Shadowed | :> |
| 05:45.31 | Lulia | ~Shadowed |
| 05:45.31 | purl | i heard shadowed is the author of SSPVP and other SS AddOns |
| 05:45.39 | Shadowed | wow that's incredibly old |
| 05:45.57 | Humb^telly | so are your addons :\ |
| 05:46.13 | Jamash | I'm not sure how that's supposed to work |
| 05:46.22 | Shadowed | SSPVP hasn't been maintained for like 2 years and I had no other SS addons! |
| 05:46.23 | Shadowed | Jamash? |
| 05:46.44 | Humb^telly | maybe it's liek...a German joke? |
| 05:46.52 | Shirik | (01:42:39) (Jamash) now if I was going to be horrible, I would write if strfind("DEATHKNIGHTPALADINDRUIDWARLOCK",select(2,UnitClass("player"))) then blah blah end |
| 05:46.55 | Shirik | I agree with this |
| 05:47.02 | Jamash | Shadowed? |
| 05:47.12 | Shadowed | I mean, what do you mean "i'm not sure how that's supposed to work" |
| 05:47.35 | Jamash | oh I think I see what you mean |
| 05:47.46 | Jamash | but it's supposed to be horrible and prone to breakage |
| 05:47.49 | Shadowed | You would add the spaces to stop a case like DRUIDDEATHKNIGHT or something |
| 05:47.56 | Shadowed | which is silly, but it works! |
| 05:48.07 | Jamash | I specifically didn't include spaces for that very reason |
| 05:48.27 | Shadowed | but I'm a perfectionist |
| 05:48.32 | Shadowed | I can't just leave broken code, even if it's bad |
| 05:50.03 | Jerub | hehehe |
| 05:50.40 | Jerub | i just had an evil evil idea. |
| 05:53.13 | Jerub | select(2,UnitClass("player")).find('[DL]') |
| 05:53.32 | Jerub | ug, sorry. |
| 05:53.44 | Jerub | string.find(select(2,UnitClass("player")), '[DL]') |
| 05:54.04 | Jerub | spot the non-lua programmar |
| 05:55.26 | Jamash | I like it |
| 05:55.30 | MentalPower | spot the java programmer |
| 05:56.28 | Jamash | actually that works if you substitute a : for the . in your first version |
| 05:56.52 | Jerub | MentalPower: me, no, i'm not a java programmer. |
| 05:57.59 | Jamash | lua>print("WARLOCK":find('[DL]')) |
| 05:57.59 | lua_bot | Jamash: luabot:1: ')' expected near ':' |
| 05:58.05 | Jamash | here we go again |
| 05:58.26 | Jamash | lua>print(("WARLOCK"):find('[DL]')) |
| 05:58.26 | lua_bot | Jamash: 4, 4 |
| 05:58.29 | Jerub | lua>a = "WARLOCK"; print( a:find('[DL]')) |
| 05:58.29 | lua_bot | Jerub: 4, 4 |
| 05:58.41 | Jamash | indeed |
| 05:58.50 | Jamash | lua>print(("HUNTER"):find('[DL]')) |
| 05:58.50 | lua_bot | Jamash: nil |
| 05:59.03 | Jamash | very good, very good |
| 05:59.19 | Jerub | see, much neater. |
| 05:59.44 | Aurorus | you are a diabolical, mad scientist. :D |
| 05:59.56 | Humb^telly | you have too much free time! |
| 05:59.57 | Aurorus | very evil ideas, but very effective |
| 06:00.52 | Lulia | God, there's always a lot of typos in my script |
| 06:01.22 | ccox | Hmmmmmm, suuuuuggaaarrrrrr |
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| 06:06.53 | Jamash | for your homework, write a function that, for a given set of wow classes, generates a minimal match expression that matches the names of classes in the given set and not any of the other classes |
| 06:07.54 | Lulia | Ummm |
| 06:08.13 | Lulia | Who is that directed towards? |
| 06:08.19 | Humb^telly | you! |
| 06:08.32 | Jerub | tries to throw one together |
| 06:08.34 | Jamash | everyone |
| 06:08.36 | Humb^telly | but that's easy, Jamash :\ |
| 06:08.41 | Jamash | Humb^telly: shush |
| 06:08.48 | Jamash | you'll give it away |
| 06:08.56 | Lulia | I could just match one class :P |
| 06:09.43 | Jamash | so for example, Jerub just solved that problem for the set (DRUID DEATHKNIGHT PALADIN WARLOCK) |
| 06:09.48 | Humb^telly | I can't even be bothered to write an array of the classes :\ |
| 06:09.57 | Jerub | ['DRUID PALADIN WARLOCK ROGUE MAGE HUNTER WARRIOR SHAMAN DEATHKNIGHT |
| 06:09.57 | Jerub | PRIEST'] |
| 06:10.17 | Jerub | bah, pasted wrong line |
| 06:10.22 | Jerub | just giving you the list of names anyway |
| 06:12.02 | Jerub | plays |
| 06:14.34 | Jamash | if you eliminate duplicated letters from WARRIOR you get WARIO |
| 06:17.52 | Lulia | :P |
| 06:18.04 | Jerub | ugh, this is horribly inefficient. |
| 06:19.27 | Jerub | ah, got something nicer |
| 06:21.10 | Jerub | i don't know what i've done wrong, but my own algorithm doesn't find druid deathknight paladin warlock |
| 06:21.16 | Jamash | lawl |
| 06:21.59 | Humb^telly | upper case? |
| 06:22.42 | Jerub | it finds ones like: ('DRUID', 'PALADIN', 'DEATHKNIGHT', 'PRIEST') DP |
| 06:22.55 | Lulia | Anyone on that has a druid? |
| 06:23.01 | Lulia | I need you to test something for me if you do |
| 06:23.15 | Lulia | I need you to run /script print(GetShapeshiftForm()) |
| 06:23.20 | Lulia | In cat and bear forms |
| 06:23.22 | Lulia | :-/ |
| 06:23.35 | Lulia | I think the API page may be incorrect |
| 06:23.39 | Jerub | oh maybe it's just taking a long time. |
| 06:23.44 | Jerub | it's a bit of an inefficient search |
| 06:23.56 | Lulia | Either that or it's due to my being a low level |
| 06:24.10 | Jerub | oh right. i got it |
| 06:24.17 | Lulia | Anyone able to? |
| 06:24.24 | Lulia | Or should I try to find a druid in game? |
| 06:25.29 | Jamash | I've nearly finished designing it |
| 06:25.45 | Humb^telly | Jerub: try with Mage + Hunter :p |
| 06:27.00 | Jerub | ahh, my test is broken |
| 06:30.43 | Jerub | ahhhh, now i get what i need to do. |
| 06:31.22 | Jerub | this will be a general solution. |
| 06:33.48 | Lulia | I think Blizzard secretly hates AddOn developers |
| 06:35.47 | Jerub | Lulia: are you suffering through the renumbering of form numbers depending on the skills a durid has? |
| 06:35.51 | Jerub | skills+talents? |
| 06:36.13 | Jerub | ffs, my test is broken still. |
| 06:38.27 | ZorbaTHut | http://www.mandible.net/2010/10/31/your-shopping-adventure/ yay I have a new game complete :D |
| 06:38.37 | ZorbaTHut | lulia, I disagree. I don't think it's particularly secret at all. |
| 06:42.04 | Jerub | Jamash: complete solution and a complete index of generated patterns is coming now |
| 06:42.15 | Jerub | just running through all possible combinations |
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| 06:46.16 | Jerub | it's very expensive towards the end |
| 06:53.27 | Jerub | oh ho ho ho. |
| 06:53.38 | Jerub | Jamash: for my homework assignment, am i allowed to have negative matches? |
| 06:53.54 | Jerub | i.e. if this pattern does not match |
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| 06:57.23 | Jamash | I dunno |
| 06:57.38 | Jamash | I'm not even done myself |
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| 06:59.09 | Jerub | ah, just threw another optimisation of the search space in |
| 06:59.16 | Jerub | give me any combo and i'll give a pattern |
| 06:59.55 | Jerub | oh gosh |
| 07:00.12 | Humb^telly | warlock + paladin? |
| 07:00.35 | Jerub | lua> ('foo').find('o') |
| 07:00.35 | lua_bot | Jerub: luabot:1: bad argument #2 to 'find' (string expected, got no value) |
| 07:00.38 | Jerub | Humb^telly: 'L' |
| 07:00.44 | Jerub | lua> ('foo'):find('o') |
| 07:00.44 | lua_bot | Jerub: 2, 2 |
| 07:00.48 | Jerub | lua> ('foo'):find('(o)') |
| 07:00.48 | lua_bot | Jerub: 2, 2, o |
| 07:00.51 | Jerub | lua> ('foo'):find('(o|b)') |
| 07:00.52 | lua_bot | Jerub: nil |
| 07:00.54 | Jerub | dammit |
| 07:00.56 | Humb^telly | warrior + paladin then |
| 07:01.15 | Jerub | i didn't realise that way of doing patterns wasn't useful in lua |
| 07:01.17 | Jamash | lua> ('foo'):find('[ob]') |
| 07:01.17 | lua_bot | Jamash: 2, 2 |
| 07:01.17 | Jerub | Humb^telly: (AL|IO) |
| 07:01.19 | Jerub | but that's a regex |
| 07:03.52 | Jerub | is that kind of matching even possible with lua matching? |
| 07:05.42 | Humb^telly | probably not |
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| 07:07.49 | Jerub | i'm just going to have to be more evil then. |
| 07:08.07 | Fisker | hey Jerub |
| 07:08.21 | Jerub | Fisker: what? |
| 07:09.35 | Fisker | iPhone DST bug causing alarms to fail across Europe |
| 07:09.36 | Fisker | yeeeeeeeeeeeees |
| 07:09.37 | Fisker | YEEEEEES |
| 07:10.14 | Jerub | Fisker: happened in australia a few weeks ago |
| 07:10.33 | Jerub | i don't even know how this happened: |
| 07:10.33 | Jerub | 806 ('PALADIN', 'ROGUE', 'MAGE', 'WARRIOR', 'DEATHKNIGHT', 'PRIEST') (AG|IN|RO|RR|G|P) |
| 07:10.47 | Jerub | i don't see 'AG' anywhere in those patterns |
| 07:10.59 | Jerub | ooh, mage. |
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| 07:16.11 | mikma | jerub: butt |
| 07:18.15 | Fisker | mikma: butts |
| 07:18.25 | mikma | i like |
| 07:18.55 | mikma | cannot lie |
| 07:20.32 | mikma | i migrated my nelf priest last night ( /poke jnwhiteh , remember vekni'lahs? ;) |
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| 07:20.38 | mikma | named her buttsecks |
| 07:20.51 | mikma | lets see how long will it take for me to get a free renaming |
| 07:20.54 | mikma | or a ban |
| 07:21.03 | TMc51 | lol |
| 07:21.25 | mikma | !armory |
| 07:21.36 | mikma | hmm, didn't that exist |
| 07:21.51 | mikma | oh well, buttsecks in Alonsus, EUJ ;) |
| 07:21.56 | mikma | EU* |
| 07:22.43 | TMc51 | there's several Buttsecks' on the armory. |
| 07:23.00 | TMc51 | http://eu.wowarmory.com/search.xml?searchQuery=buttsecks&searchType=all |
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| 07:23.31 | Fisker | reported mikma |
| 07:23.36 | Fisker | and transfer to ravencrest :( |
| 07:25.52 | Jerub | nonoo |
| 07:25.54 | Jerub | dath'remar |
| 07:26.02 | Fisker | haste should transfer to ravencrest too |
| 07:26.04 | Fisker | i'm ronery |
| 07:26.23 | Jerub | so transfer to dath'remar |
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| 07:27.44 | Dagmar | Isn't that an RP server? |
| 07:28.48 | Jerub | nah, 'normal' |
| 07:28.53 | Jerub | but it is, however, oceanic. |
| 07:30.01 | Dagmar | That's odd. This is prime hours for them |
| 07:30.01 | Jerub | hm. warlock is the only class with a 'C' in the name. |
| 07:30.02 | zenzio | looking at the world map, Azeroth seems to be pretty oceanic |
| 07:30.30 | Jerub | (and the only class that has a letter no other class has) |
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| 07:30.57 | zenzio | Jerub: you should take this to the forum to point out Blizzard's favouritism towards warlocks |
| 07:33.55 | Jerub | okay, i'm going home |
| 07:33.58 | Jerub | Dagmar: what's odd? |
| 07:34.02 | Lulia | Night guys |
| 07:34.10 | Dagmar | Jerub: Well, for one, it was sarcasm |
| 07:34.23 | Jerub | i mean, about it being prime hours for them |
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| 07:47.27 | Jamash | [D][AEGHSU][DK] |
| 07:49.34 | Dagmar | eddyb: So kill a little time by grabbing mcpatcher and a 32x32 graphics pack (I wouldn't really recommend higher resolutions) |
| 07:49.45 | Dagmar | bleh wrong channel |
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| 08:16.31 | Jamash | if anyone's still interested in the class matching problem, I have a solution for it :) |
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| 08:21.35 | Fisker | gives Jamash an apple |
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| 08:55.29 | harl | hi |
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| 09:34.08 | sioraiocht | http://fukung.net/v/33578/fcf823eecec018c54964bb90489af86c.jpg |
| 09:36.34 | zenzio | lol |
| 09:45.15 | unfo- | sioraiocht, wtf is that human scum doing with the horde?! |
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| 10:32.15 | Cide | hai |
| 10:50.05 | zenzio | well how about that... http://idle.slashdot.org/story/10/10/31/1955240/Texas-Supreme-Court-Cites-Mr-Spock |
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| 11:07.36 | zenzio | http://news.icanhascheezburger.com/2010/10/31/political-pictures-authority/ |
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| 11:36.19 | Fisker | I AM LRRRRRRRRRRR OF THE PLANET OMICRON PERSEI 8 |
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| 11:40.01 | mikma | fisker: omg plz dont report me plz plz plox |
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| 11:42.25 | Olison | uh oh |
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| 12:05.09 | Eluna | Good news everyone, you just read this sentence in your head with Professor Farnsworth voice! |
| 12:06.59 | zenzio | classic - still works on me :-) |
| 12:07.04 | SNiLD | get out of my head! |
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| 12:17.33 | Computerpunk | where's ckk?:< |
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| 13:09.21 | Kraps | http://xkcd.com/813/ |
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| 13:16.22 | Kraps | Zerg vs World of Warcraft http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_hf6OjV3yU&feature=player_embedded |
| 13:17.32 | sylvanaar_work | anyone know any good east coast server/guilds |
| 13:17.50 | alestane | Good stuff: http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/the-100-best-signs-at-the-rally-to-restore-sanity |
| 13:21.57 | Kraps | alestane: i'm confused |
| 13:22.15 | alestane | Hang on, let me get you the number of a good therapist. |
| 13:23.16 | Lopeppeppy | There are good ones? |
| 13:23.18 | Lopeppeppy | Dude, me first. |
| 13:24.39 | zenzio | alestane: #1 on that list is awesome |
| 13:26.00 | Kraps | was it some kind of libertarian/nerd/4chan rally? |
| 13:26.26 | alestane | It was John Stewart's Rally to Restore Sanity. |
| 13:26.32 | Kraps | ah |
| 13:26.53 | Lopeppeppy | I like the Rally to Elect No Incumbents that's going on in grassroots New York. Fun fun fun. |
| 13:27.09 | alestane | Later converted into Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert's Rally to Restore Sanity and/or Fear. |
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| 13:27.59 | Kraps | there were some truther signs |
| 13:28.37 | cbreak_work | Why just a rally? They should do some referendum. |
| 13:29.13 | Kraps | http://s-ak.buzzfed.com/static/imagebuzz/web05/2010/10/31/22/another-rally-sign-9834-1288578399-98.jpg |
| 13:30.35 | Lopeppeppy | Powdered Toast Man to the rescue? |
| 13:30.43 | boshi_dev | What's the best way to "scan" a tooltip for a spell ? |
| 13:31.12 | Kraps | http://s-ak.buzzfed.com/static/imagebuzz/web03/2010/10/31/15/win-6655-1288555130-0.jpg |
| 13:31.52 | Lopeppeppy | "not usually" |
| 13:32.45 | Kraps | make sure to bring sanitary wipes for tomorrows voting |
| 13:33.39 | Ackis | vote for the communisits |
| 13:33.45 | Ackis | they'd run your country better |
| 13:34.25 | zenzio | okay, this guy's a genius: http://s-ak.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/terminal01/2010/10/30/17/enhanced-buzz-3140-1288474559-9.jpg |
| 13:35.05 | Kraps | http://s-ak.buzzfed.com/static/imagebuzz/web03/2010/10/30/22/my-own-humble-contribution-today-one-woman-11332-1288492244-1.jpg |
| 13:36.59 | zenzio | http://s-ak.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/terminal01/2010/10/30/17/enhanced-buzz-3278-1288475731-12.jpg ... |
| 13:38.29 | alestane | I still like the WWOPD? sign. |
| 13:41.37 | Lopeppeppy | Furries need not apply!! :) |
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| 13:43.19 | zenzio | "Linux /GNUStep is a better OS X than OS X." o_O |
| 13:44.36 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: yes, overlord is rather funny |
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| 13:46.55 | zenzio | "Because if you've paid any attention to the KDE project since 4.0 betas, you'd have realized they don't give a rat's ass about completeness, performance, stability and usability. They just want to change everything all the fucking time until all the users flock to something less flashy and more productive, and then the KDE devs will be free to play Starcraft all day long." |
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| 13:56.39 | jnwhiteh | Gah, my phone has been out for delivery for 7 hours now! |
| 13:57.08 | zenzio | your phone sure gets around... |
| 14:00.05 | mikma | jnwhiteh: poop |
| 14:01.04 | jnwhiteh | poop |
| 14:02.39 | alestane | You're getting a new phone again, jnwhiteh? |
| 14:02.46 | jnwhiteh | nope, same phone |
| 14:02.48 | jnwhiteh | just on its way back home |
| 14:03.00 | zenzio | it's been away? |
| 14:03.22 | jnwhiteh | yes, it was visiting its parents, because it hadn't been feeling well as of late. |
| 14:03.42 | jnwhiteh | It was like its bluetooth chip had completely ceased to function |
| 14:04.16 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDl3IgU_EjY |
| 14:12.48 | Lopeppeppy | lack of bluetooth makes jnwhiteh a sad code monkey? |
| 14:13.21 | zenzio | Bluetooth has its uses... though on my phones it's rarely turned on |
| 14:13.47 | jnwhiteh | I don't use it |
| 14:13.51 | jnwhiteh | but I don't like having an ill phone |
| 14:14.12 | zenzio | understandable; but how did you discover it then? |
| 14:14.21 | jnwhiteh | I tried to turn my bluetooth on =) |
| 14:15.02 | alestane | ... http://clientsfromhell.net/post/1448541288/me-unfortunately-some-of-the-images-you-sent |
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| 14:25.54 | Kraps | this looks like a rockstar game http://media.rockstargames.com/maxpayne3/global_data/screens/1280x720/3.jpg |
| 14:26.23 | zenzio | what makes you say so? |
| 14:26.36 | alestane | ROFL http://notalwaysright.com/can-i-have-some-nuts-with-that/8029 |
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| 14:31.59 | mikma | flooding kaelten is flooding |
| 14:33.13 | zenzio | I find it intriguing that it's called an "excess flood"... I was under the impression that most floods were an excess by definition |
| 14:34.06 | Arrowmaster | ill flood you |
| 14:34.19 | mikma | stop excessing |
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| 14:34.45 | Arrowmaster | thats all ive got, im hungry so getting food now |
| 14:34.58 | Ackis | I'll feed you |
| 14:35.05 | Ackis | HUMAN CENTIPEDE STYLE |
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| 14:35.11 | Arrowmaster | Ackis: can i have pancakes? |
| 14:35.20 | Mihau | Me too? |
| 14:35.31 | Lopeppeppy | ~staple Kaelten |
| 14:35.31 | purl | ACTION attaches a staple gun to a pneumatic nail gun via duct tape, staples Kaelten quite well, and hands Kaelten to lopeppeppy |
| 14:35.46 | Kaelten | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:36.21 | Mihau | ~lurt Lopeppeppy |
| 14:36.27 | Lopeppeppy | Stay! Good code monkey! Here's a banana! :P |
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| 14:39.39 | Kraps | zenzio: its the engine |
| 14:41.08 | zenzio | "Darnassus is empty because it has no AH, i would love to see one there "... I'm not sure whether or not to think that's a troll |
| 14:41.29 | Maldivia | how old is that comment :P |
| 14:41.31 | Lopeppeppy | ... old troll is old? |
| 14:41.35 | Kraps | its hard to find anything there :p |
| 14:41.36 | zenzio | Maldivia: today |
| 14:41.48 | Maldivia | zenzio: Reply "Ask a guard" |
| 14:42.48 | Maldivia | but then again, it could be a zombie that was woken last night after 5 years under the ground, in which case it's excused |
| 14:43.01 | zenzio | true |
| 14:45.32 | Ackis | I think I'm getting a cold :( |
| 14:45.35 | Ackis | blames Torhal |
| 14:46.35 | Maldivia | Ackis: that's what you get for trick or treating as Tarzan |
| 14:46.55 | Ackis | it was Torhal's idea, he wanted to dress up as Jane |
| 14:47.55 | zenzio | go trick-or-treating naked, and tell people you're dressed as from the emperor's new clothes |
| 14:49.20 | Maldivia | and tell them, when they say you're naked, that the don't know how to do their job, since they can't see the clothes ? |
| 14:49.37 | Maldivia | (or that they are really stupid) |
| 14:49.46 | Cide | or "u liek?" |
| 14:50.58 | zenzio | "Is that a Dwarven Hand Cannon in your pocket, or are... wait, you're not wearing any clothes..." |
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| 15:01.26 | Kraps | http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/The-Morgan-Freeman-Chain-Of-Command-full.jpg |
| 15:02.03 | cog|away | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdVumaSN3GE i love this song |
| 15:02.06 | sylvanaar_work | any of you play chinese or russian wow and use Prat? |
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| 15:04.13 | Kraps | cog|work: blew my mind when i realized what he was singing :p |
| 15:04.58 | kneeki | Morning everyone! |
| 15:05.53 | cog|work | morning! |
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| 15:11.46 | Lulia | Hey |
| 15:12.14 | Ackis | zzzzzzzzzzzz |
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| 15:17.11 | Lulia | kicks Ackis a little. |
| 15:18.07 | TC-Work | s/little/lot/ |
| 15:18.45 | Lulia | s/little/lot/ |
| 15:18.47 | Lulia | ;) |
| 15:18.50 | Lulia | aww |
| 15:20.41 | TC-Work | doesnt work on /me's |
| 15:22.36 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:23.14 | Kraps | http://kotaku.com/5678354/all-you-need-to-know-about-this-weeks-violent-video-game-case-in-the-us-supreme-court |
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| 15:31.50 | cog|work | has a shovel and a bucket and he's bringin'm home to you |
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| 15:37.01 | Fisker | cog|work |
| 15:37.03 | Fisker | i came bukkits |
| 15:39.01 | Lopeppeppy | ... eeew. |
| 15:42.58 | Lulia | O.o |
| 15:43.52 | Computerpunk | ~framexml |
| 15:43.53 | purl | Download FrameXML code/art from http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?locale=en_US&articleId=21466 ; or view it online at http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source , http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser or http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml |
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| 15:52.43 | Lunessa | station |
| 15:53.10 | alestane | static? |
| 15:53.40 | Lunessa | Dynamic. My IP refreshes daily! |
| 15:55.07 | Lopeppeppy | Whee, I P Fresh! |
| 15:55.59 | ScytheBlade1 | So |
| 15:56.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Last week |
| 15:56.07 | ScytheBlade1 | 83.25 hours of work |
| 15:56.13 | Cide | ow |
| 15:58.44 | Computerpunk | whoa |
| 15:59.40 | Lunessa | SBO - overtime pay? Or are you salaried and get "flex time"? |
| 16:00.50 | Computerpunk | Kraps, so, everyone will started playing WoW |
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| 16:01.25 | Computerpunk | start* |
| 16:01.36 | Computerpunk | cya later |
| 16:01.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: not just OT, but double pay past 60! |
| 16:01.37 | Lopeppeppy | gets SBO a portable cot and a microwave. |
| 16:02.14 | ScytheBlade1 | My colleague was at 93 I think |
| 16:02.20 | Lunessa | SBO - So, you're putting away a nice chuck of change for retirement based on these earnings? :P |
| 16:03.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: most all of it. |
| 16:03.49 | Lunessa | Good man. |
| 16:04.20 | Lopeppeppy | Yay, SBO! |
| 16:04.30 | Maldivia | what would a "nice chunk" be, in percentage? |
| 16:05.28 | Fisker | what's so gross about buckets Lopeppeppy ? |
| 16:05.42 | ScytheBlade1 | 90%+ |
| 16:07.39 | Lopeppeppy | Eeeew, Fisker. Bukkits are full of germs. |
| 16:10.31 | Shirik | :( |
| 16:10.33 | Shirik | I won't get Overtime |
| 16:10.37 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1 is mean |
| 16:10.39 | Fisker | pwnt |
| 16:13.28 | Lunessa | LOLrus is still looking for his bukkit. |
| 16:14.01 | Lopeppeppy | Send him to mug Fisker. |
| 16:14.39 | Shirik | in the Wikipedia Bots IRC channel today |
| 16:14.45 | Shirik | (11:18:48) (Betacommand) each threaded "bot" checks say 50 pages, once that bot is out of work it deletes itself, clears the memory and your master program replaces it with another |
| 16:14.55 | Shirik | Does anyone else envision the master control program here? |
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| 16:15.32 | Lunessa | Shirik: Naturally. The MCP is alive and well. |
| 16:17.30 | Cide | and then we implement swarm behavior and ohhhh fuckkkkk |
| 16:18.33 | Lulia | Cide's name doesn't have a + in front of it in Pidgin :( |
| 16:19.13 | Cide | you can visualize it still, don't worry |
| 16:19.17 | Cide | I'm equally awesome still |
| 16:19.22 | Shirik | not as awesome as me |
| 16:19.52 | Shirik | also, can anyone think of a valid use for C++'s unary + operator? |
| 16:20.20 | Cide | I don't know what it does |
| 16:20.27 | Cide | but unary + can be used for currying in general! |
| 16:20.42 | alestane | I believe it implies promoting the operand to the corresponding numeric type of the receiver, but that could be delusion. |
| 16:21.03 | Cide | granted, that's binary + with the second parameter being delayed basically |
| 16:21.28 | Shirik | http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ewkkxkwb(VS.80).aspx |
| 16:21.40 | Shirik | The result of the unary plus operator (+) is the value of its operand. The operand to the unary plus operator must be of an arithmetic type. |
| 16:21.48 | Shirik | But alestane is right, it promotes it to an integer always |
| 16:21.59 | Cide | huh |
| 16:22.02 | Cide | never seen that used ever |
| 16:22.16 | Shirik | that's because it's stupid |
| 16:22.41 | alestane | It smells distinctly of "needless symmetry." |
| 16:23.07 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: i do enjoy repeatedly kicking the jester minion in the face |
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| 16:23.46 | Cide | it would be more useful if it was the opposite of unary - |
| 16:23.55 | Cide | which would be abs(x) I guess |
| 16:23.56 | Lopeppeppy | urinary what now? |
| 16:24.04 | Cide | unary :P |
| 16:24.21 | Cide | takes one operand |
| 16:24.32 | alestane | "[Directions to the] bucther you, say? Oh, First Aid Trainer! Same thing." |
| 16:24.37 | alestane | Gotta love the Forsaken. |
| 16:24.48 | Lulia | >.> |
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| 16:27.28 | Shirik | What I really want to know is what to call an operator that takes 0 operands |
| 16:27.41 | Maldivia | no-op ? |
| 16:28.01 | Shirik | I guess it's not an operator then |
| 16:28.05 | Cide | nullary I think |
| 16:28.26 | Cide | "In computer programming, a nullary constructor is a constructor that takes no arguments." |
| 16:28.29 | Cide | so that seems about right |
| 16:28.47 | Cide | yep, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arity |
| 16:29.06 | airtonix | "A Zeroastrian" |
| 16:29.09 | Lunessa | alestane: In the Wrathgate scene when Putridis says "Now all can see, THIS is the hour of the FORSAKEN." I get goosebumps. |
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| 16:30.28 | Lopeppeppy | I am a special starfish!! |
| 16:31.02 | msoul | Man I love it when a lvl 80 gang a lvl 76 |
| 16:31.07 | msoul | and guards kills him for me |
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| 16:35.59 | DWSR | msoul: I love killing 80s at 76 |
| 16:36.01 | DWSR | 1v1. |
| 16:39.09 | msoul | on kazzak, things like that happens "rarely" |
| 16:39.13 | msoul | or better to say never |
| 16:39.34 | msoul | DWSR: you'd be surprised of how many clueless players on kazzak |
| 16:40.21 | DWSR | Is there a floor for weapon speed after haste modifiers? |
| 16:41.58 | airtonix | how does a singular do a plural action on you msoul ? |
| 16:42.14 | airtonix | this isn't the matrix |
| 16:44.40 | Lunessa | airtonix: Usually vodka and hallucinogens are involved. |
| 16:44.53 | msoul | airtonix: you mean how did he attack me? |
| 16:45.17 | airtonix | "a (single) lvl 80 (plural)ganged me" |
| 16:45.27 | msoul | in sholzar basin |
| 16:45.33 | airtonix | did he split in two ? |
| 16:45.40 | msoul | .... |
| 16:45.46 | msoul | English isn't my native language |
| 16:45.46 | airtonix | :) |
| 16:45.51 | msoul | hope you're not mocking me for that |
| 16:46.07 | airtonix | what gave you that idea |
| 16:46.24 | msoul | your last question |
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| 16:48.13 | Shirik | why can priests carry daggers |
| 16:48.21 | Shirik | I mean seriously, when's the last time you heard of a priest with a dagger |
| 16:48.30 | msoul | "never" |
| 16:48.34 | cog|work | doesn't go there |
| 16:49.00 | Lopeppeppy | Don't they need to cut up their hotdogs too? |
| 16:49.08 | Arrowmaster | holy shit mplayer is spiking to use 100% of a cpu playing a 1080p h264 video using VDPAU |
| 16:49.12 | Arrowmaster | that shouldnt be possible |
| 16:49.37 | Lunessa | Shirik: 'cause they could in D&D |
| 16:51.05 | Lunessa | This ... this is just NOT RIGHT: http://alienlovespredator.com/ |
| 16:51.09 | alestane | It's a ceremonial implement. |
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| 16:52.07 | Shirik | I ain't no satanic priest |
| 16:52.58 | Cide | uh huh |
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| 16:59.10 | alestane | Priests using daggers is a fairly cultural thing. What would you expect, say, an Aztec priest to use? |
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| 16:59.25 | Shirik | a staff |
| 16:59.34 | Shirik | please note that I know nothing of the Aztec empire |
| 16:59.53 | alestane | Their priesthood is famous for cutting peoples' hearts out. |
| 17:00.00 | ScytheBlade1 | yawns |
| 17:00.06 | ScytheBlade1 | still tired :/ |
| 17:00.19 | Lunessa | Shirik: They would use an obsidian flake knife |
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| 17:00.46 | alestane | The whole "clerics don't use edged weapons" comes from an old European practice where priests were able to claim neutrality in war, as long as they bore no arms themselves. |
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| 17:05.01 | Shirik | wait |
| 17:05.10 | Shirik | so priests went to war and nobody was allowed to kill them? |
| 17:05.29 | Shirik | sounds like a good tactic for confusing your enemy |
| 17:05.43 | Shirik | load your army with 50% priests and the enemy will have a very hard time trying to figure out who to shoot and who not to shoot |
| 17:05.44 | alestane | No, nobody was allowed to kill them as long as they stayed out of it. |
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| 17:06.46 | alestane | And the way people decided if they were staying out of it or not was to see if they were carrying weapons or not, which to most of those people making the judgements, meant swords, axes or spears. |
| 17:06.59 | airtonix | man i loved reading Lone Wold adventure books |
| 17:07.04 | airtonix | wolf* |
| 17:07.20 | airtonix | you know they are all free now ? |
| 17:07.45 | jnwhiteh | airtonix: no, are they? |
| 17:07.50 | jnwhiteh | I should get them on my kindle =) |
| 17:07.55 | jnwhiteh | it'd be ideal for them :P |
| 17:08.10 | airtonix | he had them converted to html standalone pages |
| 17:08.19 | jnwhiteh | oh that's really cool |
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| 17:08.33 | airtonix | with a javascript thing included to record stuff |
| 17:08.58 | airtonix | http://www.projectaon.org/ |
| 17:09.43 | syrae | ok, so Lua string capture things are pretty awesome, but I'm too noob to be able to really use them well, is there some good source of more complicated examples I can use to learn how to use them better? |
| 17:10.01 | jnwhiteh | there's a table of examples in the chapter of the book on patterns |
| 17:10.05 | jnwhiteh | chapter 6, afaik |
| 17:10.14 | syrae | which book? Yours or PIL? |
| 17:10.19 | jnwhiteh | mine |
| 17:10.21 | syrae | ok |
| 17:10.31 | jnwhiteh | they're somewhat simple patterns |
| 17:10.34 | jnwhiteh | but they should make sense |
| 17:10.38 | jnwhiteh | and captures are really simple |
| 17:10.43 | jnwhiteh | just wrap something in () and its a capture :P |
| 17:10.45 | airtonix | http://www.projectaon.org/en/pub/all-books.tar.bz2 |
| 17:10.49 | syrae | right |
| 17:11.14 | syrae | what I was running into was I wanted to capture race names, but Dwarf is easier to capture than Night Elf |
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| 17:11.40 | jnwhiteh | have an example string you're tryign to match? |
| 17:11.42 | syrae | yar |
| 17:11.46 | syrae | lemme grab it |
| 17:12.26 | syrae | "You receive currency: Night Elf Archaeology Fragment x3." |
| 17:12.51 | syrae | string.match(lootMsg, ": (%a+) .* x(%d+)") |
| 17:12.54 | syrae | Is what I was using |
| 17:13.04 | syrae | but of course that only works for single word race names |
| 17:13.14 | jnwhiteh | well is the message always the same |
| 17:13.29 | syrae | Yes. In English at least. |
| 17:13.29 | jnwhiteh | so what do you want to get from that |
| 17:13.38 | jnwhiteh | item name and number received? |
| 17:13.39 | syrae | I want race, and # of fragments |
| 17:13.51 | Humbedooh | string.match(lootMsg, ": (.-) Archaeology Fragment x(%d+)") ? |
| 17:13.54 | jnwhiteh | there's a library that does this, actually |
| 17:14.04 | jnwhiteh | yeah if all you want is number of fragments |
| 17:14.12 | jnwhiteh | and they're always fragments, then what Humbedooh posted works =) |
| 17:14.37 | Arrowmaster | i dont think that will work if you get only 1 |
| 17:14.45 | Arrowmaster | it wont have the x at all |
| 17:14.56 | airtonix | Fisker, Sir. |
| 17:15.00 | syrae | At Archaeology skill 1, you always get a minimum of 2 |
| 17:15.17 | syrae | and at higher levels, you always get more |
| 17:15.29 | syrae | so at least that's not an issue |
| 17:15.59 | syrae | also... testing an addon where you have to fly to another zone every 3 loots is kinda annoying. :P |
| 17:16.26 | Humbedooh | then fake the loot messages? ;> |
| 17:16.58 | syrae | for parsing, sure I don't need to, but I don't know how to fake events. :P |
| 17:17.16 | durcyn | just call the function manually |
| 17:17.33 | durcyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:18.10 | syrae | if stuff is specified as local, I can't access it though, can I? |
| 17:18.32 | durcyn | so unlocal it =P _G.testingstuff = function |
| 17:19.16 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=394202778&oldid=394094309 |
| 17:19.23 | amro | "Does Miyamoto even do anything these days or does he just take baths and fold paper airplanes out of money?" |
| 17:19.40 | Shirik | omg |
| 17:19.45 | Shirik | money airplanes |
| 17:19.47 | Shirik | yes |
| 17:19.55 | Shirik | I want to make a fleet of money airplanes now |
| 17:19.56 | syrae | durcyn: fuckiing hell. Now I'm thinking of making unit tests. |
| 17:20.14 | amro | Shirik: I want to have a lot of money now |
| 17:21.38 | Ackis | Shirik: square balls ftl |
| 17:21.48 | Ackis | https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/User:Ackis |
| 17:22.24 | syrae | Ackis: I thought it said retarded for a sec, there |
| 17:22.34 | Ackis | :( |
| 17:22.47 | syrae | I know, I'm sorry |
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| 17:23.53 | durcyn | it's spelled "canadian" |
| 17:24.29 | Humbedooh | now now, durcyn |
| 17:24.56 | Humbedooh | Canada is good! |
| 17:25.26 | syrae | oh |
| 17:25.28 | syrae | right |
| 17:25.31 | syrae | I had a question |
| 17:25.45 | syrae | Humbedooh: what does the .- <-- minus sign mean? |
| 17:26.02 | syrae | (I'm running on 1/2 sleep over the last few days so I'm not all here) |
| 17:26.06 | Humbedooh | it means the shortest possible capture |
| 17:26.09 | syrae | ah hah |
| 17:26.12 | syrae | <3 |
| 17:26.35 | Humbedooh | fx. matching .- on "abcde" would yield "a" |
| 17:26.52 | syrae | right |
| 17:27.27 | syrae | I'm used to + and * for regexes. I hadn't seen - before |
| 17:27.35 | durcyn | nevermind that . is a single element to start with, it'd be more useful for set matching |
| 17:27.40 | Humbedooh | - is the opposite of + pretty much |
| 17:27.44 | syrae | yup |
| 17:27.49 | syrae | well, kinda |
| 17:28.33 | Humbedooh | "abcdabcdabcd" matched with (a.-a) would yield "abcda", whereas with (a.+a) it would yield "abcdabcda" |
| 17:29.08 | syrae | yarp |
| 17:29.08 | Humbedooh | lua> Ackis == awesome |
| 17:29.08 | lua_bot | Humbedooh: true |
| 17:29.12 | Humbedooh | ;o |
| 17:29.25 | syrae | whut? |
| 17:29.29 | syrae | just happened there? |
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| 17:30.12 | syrae | oh |
| 17:30.14 | syrae | I see |
| 17:30.18 | Computerpunk | Humbedooh, stop doing nil == nil |
| 17:30.19 | Computerpunk | :< |
| 17:30.21 | syrae | nil value variables |
| 17:30.23 | syrae | got it |
| 17:30.36 | Computerpunk | unlike C++ where any variable getes rubbish |
| 17:30.36 | Humbedooh | at first you were "omg, ackis is awesome?" |
| 17:30.39 | syrae | jesus I'm slow today |
| 17:30.45 | Humbedooh | but then you were "oh wait, he's just nobody" |
| 17:30.49 | Humbedooh | :\ |
| 17:31.02 | syrae | Humbedooh: no.. I'm just stupidly sleep deprived |
| 17:31.03 | Computerpunk | Humbedooh, you know you just made the word Awesome a nothing. |
| 17:31.05 | Computerpunk | Right? |
| 17:31.16 | Humbedooh | nooo |
| 17:31.22 | Humbedooh | that'd be awesome == ackis then |
| 17:31.45 | syrae | that's not assignment |
| 17:31.59 | Humbedooh | no it's a comparison :> |
| 17:32.11 | Humbedooh | but a == b doesn't have to mean b == a |
| 17:32.16 | syrae | which is logically equiv to the first |
| 17:32.21 | mikma | it's completely retarded that you can't use more than 1 battleress in fight anymore |
| 17:32.55 | Ackis | I'm being pinged so much right now |
| 17:32.56 | SeanK | So this is my first time updating my addon on WowInterface. Where to I do that? I see the download link but I don't see an update or upload link |
| 17:33.07 | syrae | Humbedooh: I'm pretty sure that a == b and b == a will always resolve to the same value |
| 17:33.17 | Computerpunk | Ackis, everyone loves you. |
| 17:33.20 | Humbedooh | syrae: noooes |
| 17:33.42 | Computerpunk | Humbedooh, so, let's say, a = x b = a, then you do a == b. yields true, k? Then you do b == a? Come on, l2logics. |
| 17:33.42 | syrae | (a == b) == (b == a) => true |
| 17:33.43 | SeanK | nvm found it |
| 17:34.02 | Computerpunk | lua> a = 1 b = 1 print(a == b and b == a) |
| 17:34.02 | lua_bot | Computerpunk: true |
| 17:34.05 | Computerpunk | see? |
| 17:34.21 | Humbedooh | syrae: if 2 by the power of 2 is 4, then by your logic, the square root of 4 is 2 |
| 17:34.30 | Computerpunk | Humbedooh, that's not the same thing. |
| 17:34.31 | Computerpunk | :p |
| 17:34.35 | Humbedooh | it is :P |
| 17:34.39 | Shirik | hm |
| 17:34.43 | Shirik | "Why did you block me!! The greatest vandal ever to strike Wikipedia has never gotten blocked!!!! I swear to you by the name of Zeus that once the block is lifted I will screw up as many articles as is humanly possible!! Long live credible encyclopedias!! Death to Wikipedia!!" |
| 17:34.47 | Computerpunk | a = 2^2 b = 2^2 that's equal |
| 17:35.03 | syrae | Humbedooh: order of operation does not matter when doing an equivalency test |
| 17:35.04 | Humbedooh | not my fault that Lua doesn't have type comparisons, pfft |
| 17:35.06 | Shirik | also, syrae |
| 17:35.12 | Shirik | a == b is not necessarily the same as b == a |
| 17:35.13 | Computerpunk | it doesn't? |
| 17:35.13 | Computerpunk | rofl |
| 17:35.17 | Computerpunk | it does |
| 17:35.26 | Computerpunk | type(var) returns a string naming its type |
| 17:35.32 | Computerpunk | lua> t = {} print(type(t)) |
| 17:35.32 | lua_bot | Computerpunk: table |
| 17:35.39 | Humbedooh | that's not really what I meant :p |
| 17:35.41 | alestane | Shirik: Idealistic Wikipedia vandals? |
| 17:35.48 | Computerpunk | Then, explain it literally. |
| 17:35.54 | Computerpunk | Don't let places for interpretations. |
| 17:35.59 | Computerpunk | Cause I'll always find counter-arguments |
| 17:35.59 | Humbedooh | === in php fx |
| 17:36.02 | syrae | Shirik: alright... that goes against everything I know. You have an example? |
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| 17:36.32 | Shirik | lua> a = {}; b = {}; mt = { __eq = function(n1, n2) return n1 == a; end }; setmetatable(a, mt); setmetatable(b, mt); print(a == b, b == a) |
| 17:36.32 | lua_bot | Shirik: luabot:1: C stack overflow |
| 17:36.34 | Shirik | oops |
| 17:36.40 | syrae | heh |
| 17:36.41 | Humbedooh | :> |
| 17:36.49 | Computerpunk | lol shirikXD |
| 17:37.01 | Shirik | lua> a = {}; b = {}; mt = { __eq = function(n1, n2) return rawequal(n1, a); end }; setmetatable(a, mt); setmetatable(b, mt); print(a == b, b == a) |
| 17:37.01 | lua_bot | Shirik: true, false |
| 17:37.07 | Humbedooh | lua> a = 0/0; b = a; b == a |
| 17:37.07 | lua_bot | Humbedooh: luabot:1: '=' expected near '==' |
| 17:37.16 | Jamash | sup homies |
| 17:37.18 | Humbedooh | lua> a = 0/0; b = a print(b == a) |
| 17:37.19 | lua_bot | Humbedooh: false |
| 17:37.33 | mikma | apparently elementals are attacking cities in live realms |
| 17:37.37 | Computerpunk | yea? |
| 17:37.41 | Jamash | awesome |
| 17:37.42 | Computerpunk | guess it's time for the SHATTERING |
| 17:37.44 | Humbedooh | mikma: elemoomins?! |
| 17:37.59 | Humbedooh | elemoomins would be awesome |
| 17:38.01 | syrae | mikma: I knew it was gonna start today. After all the bitching at Wrath for it overlapping with Hallow's End |
| 17:39.05 | mikma | i can't remember what was the reward for doing the attacks |
| 17:39.11 | Jamash | portals |
| 17:39.20 | Jamash | now you're thinking with them |
| 17:39.28 | syrae | Shirik, Humbedooh: I will take your word for it that is the case, however I'm too damn tired to understand your examples. Also, I hate you both for fucking with my head. I also <3 you both for the help with my addon. Kinda evens out. |
| 17:40.14 | Humbedooh | syrae: I wasn't speaking of Lua though, I was thinking of general logical relevance :) |
| 17:40.21 | Jamash | goddamn it |
| 17:42.15 | syrae | Humbedooh: that's fine. It's just not what I learned. And I'm always willing to be proven wrong just as long as people have proof. :P |
| 17:42.46 | Jamash | so sometimes wow feels like adding spells to the spellbook on login one at a time |
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| 17:44.01 | Jamash | and firing about a hundred SPELLS_CHANGED events |
| 17:44.30 | nevcairiel | It has these days |
| 17:44.40 | Computerpunk | Jamash, they're bad at coding. |
| 17:44.43 | Computerpunk | end of discussion. |
| 17:44.43 | Computerpunk | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:44.59 | Jamash | true story |
| 17:45.45 | Humbedooh | syrae: the exception applies so rarely, it's not needed in most cases :) |
| 17:46.03 | Humbedooh | but if, per se, you were to work with matter and anti-matter, it'd apply :p |
| 17:46.09 | syrae | >_< |
| 17:47.26 | Humbedooh | contemplates the difference between addons and anti-addons... |
| 17:47.38 | nevcairiel | removeons |
| 17:47.38 | sylvanaar_work | subtractons |
| 17:47.49 | sylvanaar_work | oh beat ya to it |
| 17:47.51 | syrae | ... |
| 17:47.52 | Humbedooh | would have to be written in anti-lua ofc |
| 17:48.38 | Humbedooh | not local function(not argument) don't print(argument) never end :\ |
| 17:48.58 | sylvanaar_work | anti-Lua cannot run on any known computer in the multiverse |
| 17:49.08 | sylvanaar_work | it is too big |
| 17:49.18 | farmbuyer | I believe anti-Lua is known as Perl. (ooooh, I went there.) |
| 17:49.25 | Humbedooh | :o |
| 17:50.26 | Nechckn_AFK | For those who need to show data and are looking for some way to make it stand out - http://www.spicynodes.org/ Although not the only one, some pretty cool use of the tool under "Gallery". |
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| 17:53.24 | Ackis | I am wearing a snuggy at work. |
| 17:53.32 | Jamash | :-O |
| 17:53.37 | Jamash | working from home? |
| 17:54.03 | Nechckn | That is only cool if it is *all* that you are wearing and are at some huge corporate office, Ackis. |
| 17:54.24 | Ackis | no I borught my snuggy into work because it's cold where I sit |
| 17:54.39 | syrae | Ackis: 1) You own a snuggie |
| 17:54.41 | Nechckn | you get a luke-warm for that one ;-) |
| 17:54.52 | syrae | 2) That just proves so many things about you that I only suspected |
| 17:55.24 | syrae | 3) You freaking own a snuggie!!! |
| 17:58.50 | Ackis | Computerpunk: http://www.curseforge.com/projects/curseforge/tickets/2359-pay-pal-donations-by-email/ |
| 17:58.54 | Ackis | :P |
| 17:58.57 | Ackis | it's a blue sniggie |
| 17:58.59 | Ackis | or snuggy |
| 17:59.01 | Ackis | or snuggie |
| 17:59.16 | Jamash | snoggie |
| 17:59.31 | durcyn | Bathrobe for Retards |
| 18:01.12 | Fisker | slaps Ackis around a bit with a large trout |
| 18:01.30 | Jamash | more like bathrobe for awesometards |
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| 18:06.18 | Lunessa | Ahh, Texas. Where I can get jalapenos on a burger just for asking. |
| 18:06.48 | Ackis | Fisker: :( |
| 18:10.36 | ccox | Snuggies: the pet rocks, chia pets, and talking trout trophies for 2010 |
| 18:10.53 | ccox | (aka: things you'll be embarassed to admit you owned about 3 years down the road) |
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| 18:11.09 | Computerpunk | Ackis, wat? |
| 18:11.20 | Computerpunk | YAY! |
| 18:11.21 | Computerpunk | :D |
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| 18:11.24 | Computerpunk | that's why |
| 18:11.25 | Computerpunk | it worked today. |
| 18:11.49 | Computerpunk | now locale keys not getting deleted. |
| 18:12.06 | Computerpunk | and ckk being here. |
| 18:12.10 | Computerpunk | and I'm done with requests for now |
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| 18:16.31 | Jamash | ok so if I have some events registered, I call RegisterAllEvents() and then UnregisterAllEvents(), I have no events registered, ya? |
| 18:17.00 | Jamash | meaning that if I want to preserve the original set of events, I have to save them somewhere? |
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| 18:18.11 | farmbuyer | yes |
| 18:18.26 | Jamash | mmk |
| 18:18.55 | alestane | Yes, although I believe there is a function to get the vents a frame is registered for. |
| 18:19.20 | alestane | !api Regeistered |
| 18:19.20 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'Regeistered'. |
| 18:19.26 | alestane | !api Registered |
| 18:19.26 | lua_bot | Found 2 possible results for 'Registered': Frame:IsEventRegistered, GetFramesRegisteredForEvent |
| 18:19.33 | alestane | Apparently not. |
| 18:19.38 | Jamash | I have a working solution |
| 18:19.44 | alestane | !API event |
| 18:19.48 | amro | you could call GetFramesRegisteredForEvent a billion times. |
| 18:19.50 | alestane | !api event |
| 18:19.50 | lua_bot | Found 92 possible matches for 'event'. Please be more specific |
| 18:20.07 | Lulia | lol |
| 18:20.08 | alestane | I think there's an API , just not sure what it's called. |
| 18:20.15 | Jamash | or I could set a flag whenever I register or unregister an event |
| 18:22.31 | syrae | http://www.boingboing.net/2010/10/31/diy-halloween-che-t-.html |
| 18:22.40 | alestane | Or, perhaps not. |
| 18:22.45 | farmbuyer | Does the frame in question start with known-to-be-zero events registered, or do you have to handle arbitrary events already in place? |
| 18:23.06 | Jamash | it's my frame, so I know every event that's registered |
| 18:23.15 | alestane | I would probably recommend making another frame which can be registered and unregistered for all events, leaving the other frame alone. |
| 18:24.20 | farmbuyer | In that case, the slightly slow method is something like local whichevents = { "FOO", "BAR", "BAZ" } and then you can always just have a function like "registerknownevents" which loops over that list. |
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| 18:24.45 | farmbuyer | So you can do registerall, unregisterall, and then safely [re-]register your initial list. |
| 18:24.46 | Jamash | I actually finished implementing it while you were discussing it |
| 18:24.56 | farmbuyer | heheheh |
| 18:25.09 | Jamash | anyhoo I have found out what I needed to know |
| 18:25.27 | Jamash | which is that PLAYER_LOGIN seems to be a good time to save the spellbook |
| 18:28.30 | Fisker | why do you hate me Ackis ? |
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| 18:34.04 | Lulia | Because you're Fisker |
| 18:35.03 | Ackis | I don't hate Fisker |
| 18:39.53 | vjeux | http://concours.jeuxonline.info/concours/151 |
| 18:39.56 | vjeux | oops |
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| 18:41.08 | nicoli_s | how is that game vjeux? |
| 18:41.48 | Ackis | http://www.warcraftecon.net/?p=3020 "Player Loses 100,000 Gold Due To A Misclick In Auctioneer" |
| 18:42.38 | amro | not as entertaining as the EVE zomg lost $30,000 stories |
| 18:42.48 | Ackis | still amusing |
| 18:43.57 | Jamash | that's kinda funny |
| 18:44.14 | amro | what are the odds of the one guy misclicking actually having that much gold? |
| 18:44.21 | Lunessa | Ackis: File that one under "Stupid User Tricks" |
| 18:44.22 | Jamash | indeed |
| 18:44.41 | Jamash | and this is why you shouldn't disable confirmation dialogs |
| 18:45.24 | Dagmar | Greeeeat. |
| 18:45.32 | Dagmar | Now the number of ludicrously high bids will go up |
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| 18:45.53 | Jamash | so I just figured out why my chat filter was getting called twice |
| 18:46.06 | Jamash | because I was registering it twice |
| 18:46.18 | Jamash | sometimes the simplest explanation is the simplest explanation |
| 18:46.53 | Arrowmaster | chat filters can get called once for every chatframe and chat addon installed |
| 18:46.58 | amro | didn't know you were a member of tautology club |
| 18:48.15 | Sintacks | Is there a prefered pastebin for in here... |
| 18:48.20 | Sintacks | nvm. just read it in the topic |
| 18:48.33 | amro | doesn't matter, any pastebin will do |
| 18:48.39 | amro | it's just in the topic to remind people |
| 18:49.51 | Lunessa | http://kotaku.com/5678354/all-you-need-to-know-about-this-weeks-violent-video-game-case-in-the-us-supreme-court |
| 18:51.35 | Ackis | I hope that passes |
| 18:52.19 | Sintacks | There a way to combine these two macros into one? http://wowuidev.pastey.net/142332 |
| 18:53.52 | cog|work | you can /click the second one if it's on a button |
| 18:54.03 | cog|work | otherwise you'd need an addon |
| 18:55.08 | Fisker | so nothing to do after "Alert our leaders" in the new event? :o |
| 18:58.06 | Fisker | hey cog|work |
| 18:59.14 | Sintacks | masdgiojasdf. one character too much |
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| 19:01.16 | cog|work | brings home a shovel and a bucket to Fisker |
| 19:01.45 | Ackis | if enough people alert their leaders, we should be able to avoid the cataclysm |
| 19:03.16 | Computerpunk | Ackis, true. |
| 19:03.33 | Fisker | i came buckets cog|work |
| 19:03.35 | Fisker | i don't need any |
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| 19:10.41 | Kraps | so theres another movie where liam neeson runs around and breaks shit |
| 19:10.47 | Kraps | ho-hum |
| 19:11.01 | Kraps | i mean, "awesome!" |
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| 19:20.53 | Lunessa | kd3|netbook: ping |
| 19:20.59 | kd3|netbook | pong |
| 19:21.28 | Fisker | ping pong |
| 19:21.55 | Kraps | Fisker: are you going to see the justin beiber movie? |
| 19:22.46 | Fisker | no Kraps |
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| 19:29.09 | zenzelezz | "A flaw in the alarm clock in iPhone 4s gave Europeans a bit of a lie-in this morning. While the Apple handsets automatically adjusted to daylight savings time, a bug in the alarm system meant many were woken up an hour later than they should have been, after clocks rolled back over the weekend." |
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| 19:29.35 | syrae | heh |
| 19:29.35 | zenzelezz | well that's nice and all, but my coworkers had the same issue on their Samsung Galaxy S i9000 |
| 19:29.48 | syrae | zenzelezz: I wish I had an extra hour this morning |
| 19:30.13 | syrae | I should probably just call today a wash and go hme and sleep |
| 19:30.26 | syrae | even though I probably shouldn't be driving at all atm |
| 19:31.24 | Angayelle | hai people |
| 19:33.19 | syrae | hullo |
| 19:35.40 | Angayelle | oh funny i typed my 6 numbers from my authenticator and misstyper 2 more it still worked |
| 19:35.45 | Angayelle | misstyped* |
| 19:36.04 | syrae | huh |
| 19:36.05 | Angayelle | looks like it take the first 6 only |
| 19:36.12 | syrae | huh |
| 19:36.18 | syrae | eeeenteresting |
| 19:36.33 | syrae | Angayelle: I know that it also doesn't care about leading 0s |
| 19:36.48 | syrae | I believe Fisker pointed that one out |
| 19:37.01 | syrae | You can just not type in leading 0s and it still works |
| 19:38.43 | Angayelle | i had some fun, yesterday trying to make an addon out of ace2 librairies for the /in command support |
| 19:39.10 | Angayelle | and you know what, it's way out of my grasp for now, ehe |
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| 19:41.27 | Jamash | I spent a fair amount of time yesterday taking ace out of my addon |
| 19:41.37 | Ackis | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DsaXfNgQZ4 |
| 19:42.24 | Jamash | so I'm a mariachi skeleton on a motorcycle with a sandwich board shouting about the end of the world |
| 19:42.34 | Jamash | truly, we live in interesting times |
| 19:43.10 | foxlit | http://twitter.com/FakeNNWMTips |
| 19:43.29 | Kraps | "you receive currency: honor points" |
| 19:43.43 | Kraps | id like a number you know :( |
| 19:43.45 | Jamash | how many? who knows |
| 19:44.30 | syrae | Jamash: best quote ever |
| 19:44.32 | syrae | <3 |
| 19:47.17 | Lunessa | Woot. My boss just brought me an iPad. :) |
| 19:47.18 | Jamash | cho'gall has eyeball nipples |
| 19:47.35 | alestane | To what purpose, Lunessa? |
| 19:47.57 | Sintacks | ... |
| 19:48.07 | Lunessa | Mostly I do tech docs about tech items people might use, but I get to use this all the time as I see fit. :) |
| 19:48.17 | Sintacks | I hate when you (yeah, i shouldn't have anyway) use the Curse Client to uninstall an addon |
| 19:48.22 | Sintacks | and it removes some other addon |
| 19:51.00 | cog|work | reporting bugs > complaining imo ;) |
| 19:52.27 | Sintacks | isn't a bug as it sees the other addon as "part of it" |
| 19:52.46 | Sintacks | Removed SharedMedia additonal fonts and it removed SharedMedia |
| 19:52.49 | Fisker | zenzelezz |
| 19:52.58 | Fisker | maybe if they disabled DST adjustments |
| 19:53.00 | Sintacks | and i didn't notice for an hour that my borders were missing |
| 19:53.04 | Fisker | other than that, wrong wrong wrong wrong |
| 19:53.07 | Fisker | wrong wrong wrong wrong |
| 19:53.18 | Fisker | (iPhone sucks) |
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| 19:55.06 | cog|work | Bugs are behaviors that are unwanted/unexpected. Even if they don't consider it a bug, it's doing something you don't want and you should let them know |
| 19:55.32 | cog|work | uninstalling addon B that is dependent on addon A shouldn't remove addon A. |
| 19:56.01 | amro | cog|work: wtb more lfmf |
| 19:56.14 | cog|work | amro: i'm running out of F... look at my match history >< |
| 19:56.15 | Ackis | h8 Fisker |
| 19:56.32 | amro | cog|work: hahaha, i don't think anyone else has that problem |
| 19:56.57 | Fisker | h8 wat Ackis ? |
| 19:57.11 | nicoli_s | Sintacks:yes please report this |
| 19:58.08 | Lunessa | Cogwheel Presents: All Out of Fail - Coming this season to Fox! |
| 19:59.46 | Fisker | hey Lunessa |
| 19:59.53 | Fisker | i disapprove |
| 19:59.59 | Lunessa | Always bet on Duke, Fisker |
| 20:00.21 | Fisker | lfmf is just as bad as retards thinking 1 = i |
| 20:01.41 | cog|work | raises Fisker to the power of iÏ |
| 20:03.40 | industrial | A wild haste appears! |
| 20:04.01 | Fisker | wrong wrong wrong wrong |
| 20:04.28 | Fisker | why do you suck, cog|work? |
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| 20:06.19 | olafski | kraps: if there's no number, doesn't that mean you got just one? |
| 20:06.48 | haste | industrial: lies |
| 20:07.24 | Fisker | what does this even mean haste ? |
| 20:08.04 | Kraps | olafski: have you ever gotten 1 honor point in a bg? |
| 20:08.28 | olafski | I don't know |
| 20:08.42 | olafski | pvp is not really something I take seriously :P |
| 20:08.50 | Lulia | Anyone here fairly knowledgeable about Medieval stuff?? :P |
| 20:08.50 | olafski | that's putting it nicely |
| 20:09.01 | olafski | also lol at all the wowpedia plugging on mmo-c.. it's almost embarassing :P |
| 20:09.14 | Lulia | why? |
| 20:09.26 | Xyphoid | Lulia: what kind of stuff? |
| 20:09.29 | kd3|netbook | we've gotta get google juice somehow |
| 20:09.44 | Lulia | Trying to think of a profession for a character. |
| 20:09.53 | olafski | are there any numbers on the "nearly all editors moved to wowpedia" btw? |
| 20:09.55 | foxlit | time, grasshopper. |
| 20:10.15 | olafski | I managed to find some "activity" page on wowwiki and there appeared to be quite a few edits still |
| 20:10.21 | foxlit | Could easily get some, but meh. |
| 20:10.23 | olafski | don't remember how I got there anymore though |
| 20:10.32 | kd3|netbook | of the people making more than 5 edits a month? I'd wager high 90s |
| 20:10.35 | foxlit | I bookmarked recent changes. Their navigation is a pain |
| 20:10.36 | kd3|netbook | it's the long tail that's left |
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| 20:11.31 | olafski | do I get adfree on mmoc and wowpedia for being curse premium btw? guess that's a good thing |
| 20:12.00 | kd3|netbook | wowpedia's ad free for all atm. dunno about how mmo-c's handling that |
| 20:12.20 | olafski | nearly every site is adfree for me.. think I'll continue heading to wowwiki |
| 20:12.32 | olafski | even if it's only because they have a .com and I can't get used to .org |
| 20:12.59 | Jamash | edit your hosts file to direct wowwiki.com to wowpedia.org |
| 20:13.05 | olafski | :P |
| 20:13.22 | Jamash | seriously there is no reason to visit wowwiki anymore |
| 20:13.35 | olafski | I'll decide that for myself if that's ok :) |
| 20:13.38 | kd3|netbook | other than to watch wikia's attempts at reviving the site |
| 20:13.48 | kd3|netbook | and info getting further and further out of date |
| 20:13.52 | Xyphoid | fight the man |
| 20:13.58 | Dagmar | kd3: the extra noisy ads are really helping that |
| 20:14.15 | kd3|netbook | cracks a smile |
| 20:15.19 | olafski | jamash: I tried on my desktop pc btw, got the same issue with the cata beta :( |
| 20:15.26 | Jamash | ick |
| 20:15.35 | Lulia | Wowwiki navigation is retarded now |
| 20:15.37 | Lulia | seriously |
| 20:16.14 | syrae | Lulia: wowpedia |
| 20:16.20 | olafski | I'll just wait until 7 december then I guess |
| 20:16.26 | olafski | just need to know which zone I have to start at :P |
| 20:16.42 | Lulia | I know, Syrae |
| 20:16.52 | Lulia | I'm saying that's why I don't use wowwiki, more than anything else |
| 20:17.00 | Lulia | Wowpedia's navigation is much more intuitive. |
| 20:17.14 | kd3|netbook | which is the point. ;) |
| 20:17.19 | syrae | that's what I get for not reading backscript |
| 20:17.36 | syrae | s/ipt/oll |
| 20:17.42 | syrae | but yeah |
| 20:20.57 | Fisker | better administration on wowwiki though kd3|netbook |
| 20:21.19 | kd3|netbook | stifles a laugh |
| 20:22.22 | Fisker | well atleast after you guys least anyway |
| 20:22.32 | Fisker | s/guys/guys left/ |
| 20:22.38 | Fisker | +at |
| 20:22.39 | Fisker | :( |
| 20:22.52 | cog|work | and then it would be redundant it would |
| 20:23.02 | Fisker | then s/least/left/ |
| 20:23.03 | Fisker | :9 |
| 20:23.09 | Fisker | and s/9/)/ |
| 20:23.14 | Fisker | i suck today |
| 20:23.24 | cog|work | i'm sure Ackis is happy about that |
| 20:23.38 | Lunessa | needs to update all his "quick link" notes to go to wowpedia.org now. |
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| 20:25.30 | Fisker | gonna clear my history so i can wow<tab> and get wowpedia instead of wowwiki |
| 20:25.43 | Fisker | plus that gets rid of all the nasty porn sites i got there as well |
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| 20:28.00 | Fisker | btw does the cataclysm event just stop at "Alert our leaders" until the next phase of the event? |
| 20:28.11 | Lulia | Apparently |
| 20:28.38 | Lulia | I thought the actual invasion had begun with the way my videos about it had gotten attention |
| 20:28.42 | Xyphoid | you have a lot of nasty porn sites in your history starting with wow huh |
| 20:28.43 | Lulia | Made them back when the PTR was up |
| 20:29.13 | Lulia | WoW Porn - Night Elves gone wild! |
| 20:29.25 | DWSR | hey, where's taint.log |
| 20:29.32 | Fisker | naw Xyphoid |
| 20:29.37 | Lulia | WoW Porn - Milk-filled Udders |
| 20:29.42 | Fisker | just a general nuisance |
| 20:30.06 | Fisker | like when you thought you entered youtube but then entered something else |
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| 20:31.14 | Lulia | My computer doesn't even have an anti-virus |
| 20:31.22 | Lulia | But I run Malwarebytes every once in awhile and nothing |
| 20:31.38 | Lulia | It's crazy, the native security in OS' has gotten much better. |
| 20:31.59 | Lulia | Used to feel like every site you went to was risky and suddenly you'd get popups for porn and other things. |
| 20:32.26 | olafski | I was bitten in the ass by some pdf exploit a few months ago |
| 20:32.37 | olafski | very annoying to get rid of.. took me 2 hours |
| 20:33.03 | Lulia | ouch |
| 20:33.18 | olafski | not pdf, adobe reader I should probably say |
| 20:33.39 | olafski | random website opened a "save as" dialog with some pdf file in it, I clicked cancel and then the shit started :P |
| 20:33.47 | Lulia | Xyphoid: Found what I was looking for http://www.badgersden.com/MT/MdvlOccupation.htm#BRICKLAYER |
| 20:34.01 | Lulia | My character for NaNoWriMo will be a bricklayer |
| 20:36.08 | olafski | sounds fun |
| 20:36.12 | olafski | what's nanowrimo :< |
| 20:36.16 | Xyphoid | i am failing to start |
| 20:36.21 | Xyphoid | my wife is at 3000 words |
| 20:36.37 | alestane | I was tempted to try, but I have too much else to do this month. |
| 20:36.43 | Xyphoid | i'm choosing to blame minecraft |
| 20:36.44 | olafski | hm. novel writing |
| 20:37.09 | Lulia | National Writing Month, Olafski |
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| 20:37.18 | Lulia | Write a 50,000 word novel in the month of November |
| 20:37.58 | olafski | that's probably more words than I've written in my lifetime |
| 20:38.01 | Xyphoid | she's done 1500 words before 9am two days in a row, it makes me sick |
| 20:38.03 | olafski | irc excluded |
| 20:39.07 | Lulia | It's only the first day |
| 20:39.18 | Xyphoid | it's the 2nd here |
| 20:39.23 | Lulia | Oh |
| 20:39.44 | Lulia | I'm getting stuck on trivial things |
| 20:39.49 | Lulia | Like what to name my character |
| 20:39.57 | Lulia | >.> |
| 20:40.28 | alestane | Name them PapaSmurf if you have to. The cognitive dissonance when you try to write about them will help you figure out the right name. |
| 20:40.44 | Lulia | What about Soren? |
| 20:40.49 | Lulia | Riard |
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| 20:41.10 | Lulia | Graffin |
| 20:41.23 | olafski | how about Olafski |
| 20:41.23 | Lulia | Eoil |
| 20:41.27 | Lulia | Nah |
| 20:41.32 | Lulia | Sounds like Oafski |
| 20:44.22 | syrae | Lulia: Wirt |
| 20:44.37 | olafski | :P |
| 20:44.46 | syrae | you can talk about how he lost his leg |
| 20:44.56 | syrae | evil cows |
| 20:44.57 | syrae | etc |
| 20:45.04 | olafski | that site says something about bricklayers being agile |
| 20:45.12 | syrae | Legolas? |
| 20:45.14 | syrae | ^_^ |
| 20:45.29 | Lulia | It does |
| 20:45.33 | Lulia | Which is sort of odd |
| 20:45.36 | Lulia | But we'll go with that |
| 20:45.41 | Lulia | He'll need to be agile |
| 20:46.14 | olafski | call him drunken ira hayes |
| 20:46.28 | Lulia | I'm going to name him IdRa |
| 20:46.44 | olafski | why not IdKfa? |
| 20:46.57 | Lulia | HuK? |
| 20:47.06 | olafski | ZoMg? |
| 20:47.32 | olafski | or Idfa if you want to stick with the 4 letter names |
| 20:48.25 | Lulia | Do you know where my names are coming from right now? |
| 20:48.31 | olafski | no |
| 20:48.34 | Lulia | Ah |
| 20:48.39 | Lulia | I'm using names of SC2 pros |
| 20:48.40 | Lulia | lol |
| 20:48.40 | olafski | do you know where mine are from? ;) |
| 20:48.44 | Lulia | Nope |
| 20:48.55 | olafski | idkfa & idfa are doom cheat codes :( |
| 20:48.59 | Lulia | :P |
| 20:49.31 | olafski | oh and "call him drunken ira hayes" is a song ;) |
| 20:50.27 | syrae | Lulia: call him Bones |
| 20:50.45 | olafski | sounds more like a name for a doctor |
| 20:51.49 | syrae | olafski: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVhcB9ucmdg at 0:09 |
| 20:52.44 | olafski | :) |
| 20:53.20 | syrae | the irony of naming a bricklayer after a character who has a famous line saying, "I'm a doctor, not a bricklayer" just appeals to me |
| 20:53.29 | olafski | indeed |
| 21:00.53 | Lulia | Bones doesn't fit though ;) |
| 21:01.01 | Lulia | Maybe it could be a nickname someone gives him though |
| 21:01.02 | Lulia | :D |
| 21:01.10 | Lulia | I dont mind quirky references |
| 21:02.22 | msoul | Jerub: ping |
| 21:03.42 | Cide | shell halp |
| 21:03.45 | adys_ | shirik! shirik! cide is about to ping you! |
| 21:03.54 | Cide | Shirik: ping |
| 21:04.09 | syrae | adys_: well played |
| 21:04.12 | adys_ | I know |
| 21:04.17 | adys_ | I'm a fucking psychic |
| 21:04.57 | dolby | what are the winning powerball numbers? |
| 21:05.18 | Shirik | (17:04:38) (+Cide) [17:06:56] shell halp |
| 21:05.18 | Shirik | (17:04:38) (adys_) [17:06:59] shirik! shirik! cide is about to ping you! |
| 21:05.18 | Shirik | (17:04:38) (+Cide) [17:07:08] Shirik: ping |
| 21:05.19 | Shirik | wtf |
| 21:05.20 | dolby | for the next drawing |
| 21:07.06 | adys_ | cracks his knuckles on Shirik |
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| 21:15.06 | cog|work | weird antialiasing bug... Only the left edges seem to be antialiased against water: http://cogwheel.info/upload/files/waterAA.png |
| 21:15.07 | nicoli_s | keep yer knuckles to yourseld adys |
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| 21:18.50 | zenzelezz | all pixels are anti-aliased, but some are more anti-aliased than others |
| 21:19.39 | foxlit | cog|work: it looks like you were just luckier on left positions |
| 21:19.47 | foxlit | Take a look at your gloves, for example. |
| 21:19.53 | foxlit | There's no AA there. |
| 21:20.01 | cog|work | foxlit: the gloves that aren't against water? |
| 21:20.23 | foxlit | No. I'm simply suggesting that there's not AA at all in that image |
| 21:20.29 | foxlit | s/not/no/ |
| 21:20.39 | cog|work | look at the left edge of the fishing rod |
| 21:20.54 | foxlit | Yes. My theory is that you got luckier with the sloping there |
| 21:21.05 | cog|work | foxlit: this is just one example |
| 21:21.12 | cog|work | want me to take a video? |
| 21:21.27 | cog|work | it's something i noticed in the beta before 4.0 |
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| 21:24.00 | foxlit | Hm, actually, you're half right. |
| 21:24.10 | foxlit | AA does suck against water |
| 21:24.29 | cog|work | just upped it to 8x and it seems like it's just doing fewer samples on the right edge now |
| 21:24.43 | mikma | http://mikma.eu/wow/Duh_1.3.zip - feedback and possible bugreports are welcome! |
| 21:24.59 | syrae | mikma: what's it do? |
| 21:25.06 | foxlit | cog|work: http://www.go-hero.net/box/water.png |
| 21:25.08 | zenzelezz | what about impossible bug reports? |
| 21:25.47 | mikma | zenzelezz: if they have been a result of the addon, sure. |
| 21:26.11 | mikma | syrae: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info18323-Duh.html |
| 21:26.42 | syrae | mikma: cute |
| 21:27.16 | syrae | mikma: though I keep reading the name as "Derp" |
| 21:27.57 | Computerpunk | ^would be more suggestive. |
| 21:27.58 | mikma | 1.3 is almost completely rewritten |
| 21:28.23 | Computerpunk | mikma, then rename it to Derp. |
| 21:28.30 | mikma | HURRRRRRRDURRRRRRR |
| 21:28.37 | Computerpunk | durrr |
| 21:28.57 | mikma | computerpunk: name is already picked, sorry =) |
| 21:29.00 | Computerpunk | awww. |
| 21:29.08 | Computerpunk | herpderptrololo? |
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| 21:30.20 | syrae | heh |
| 21:30.41 | syrae | Man, a Trololo addon would be great, but I donno what it'd do (that would be remotely useful) |
| 21:31.57 | mikma | play the song when 0 raidmembers are alive |
| 21:32.04 | syrae | also, EPIC 80s!!! http://vimeo.com/2442332 |
| 21:33.08 | amro | cog|work: is that the new water? can't really tell |
| 21:33.24 | cog|work | it is |
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| 21:37.34 | syrae | damnit Computerpunk... I have Trololo stuck in my head now |
| 21:39.10 | Computerpunk | I've got KoRn - Justin in my mind |
| 21:39.15 | mikma | i have had it stuck in my head quite awhile |
| 21:39.34 | mikma | i added a "trololol" note that will be shown when player logins |
| 21:39.44 | mikma | so, trololol on screen all the time during coding |
| 21:40.32 | Computerpunk | you wanna see the addon done? |
| 21:40.33 | Computerpunk | too bad |
| 21:40.35 | Computerpunk | it's my blacksmith |
| 21:40.36 | Computerpunk | me* |
| 21:41.00 | mikma | it's my blackme? |
| 21:41.15 | Cide | what's a blackme |
| 21:41.40 | mikma | i sont know, i am trying to guess what computerpunk meant |
| 21:41.47 | Shirik | cide |
| 21:41.50 | Shirik | did you need something? |
| 21:41.56 | Shirik | oh |
| 21:41.59 | Cide | I pm'd you nubface |
| 21:42.10 | Shirik | I SAID OH |
| 21:42.25 | mikma | i came. |
| 21:42.39 | Computerpunk | blacksmith. |
| 21:42.40 | Computerpunk | o-O |
| 21:42.49 | Computerpunk | me blacksmith* |
| 21:42.50 | Computerpunk | wololo |
| 21:42.52 | syrae | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Z4m4lnjxkY |
| 21:42.55 | Computerpunk | nice trolling |
| 21:43.16 | mikma | i have no idea what you are fiskering about computerpunk |
| 21:43.26 | Computerpunk | I'm fiskering for the real fisker. |
| 21:43.33 | syrae | heh |
| 21:43.36 | syrae | Fiskering |
| 21:43.38 | syrae | nice |
| 21:43.44 | mikma | would the real fisker please stand up? |
| 21:43.50 | Computerpunk | no, he won't. |
| 21:43.53 | Computerpunk | he's always at his desk. |
| 21:43.55 | Computerpunk | or under it. |
| 21:43.56 | Computerpunk | depends. |
| 21:46.08 | Fisker | slaps mikma around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:46.28 | Fisker | slaps Computerpunk around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:46.51 | Computerpunk | slaps Fisker with Fisker. |
| 21:46.55 | syrae | Fisker: do you just have that macroed? |
| 21:47.15 | Computerpunk | slaps Fisker with a Blizzard Bug. |
| 21:47.36 | Fisker | i made a macro in wow syrae |
| 21:48.12 | Olison | That's quite amazing |
| 21:48.14 | syrae | you made a macro in WoW that slaps people in IRC with a large trout? Wow. That's pro |
| 21:48.15 | Olison | How did you do it? |
| 21:48.36 | Fisker | if i told you, you'd report me |
| 21:48.46 | Olison | I probably would |
| 21:49.17 | Fisker | hlirc was lulzy |
| 21:49.22 | Fisker | especially when people got vac'd for it |
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| 21:59.48 | syrae | alright... I HATE python code that uses lambda functions for everything |
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| 22:01.08 | syrae | and no comments because Python is self documenting |
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| 22:04.38 | Jamash | so these elemental invasions |
| 22:04.40 | Jamash | where are they |
| 22:04.55 | Zhinjio | there's a few in winterspring in and around everlook |
| 22:05.00 | Zhinjio | I passed by them earlier |
| 22:05.12 | Zhinjio | killed a few spawns |
| 22:05.26 | Zhinjio | yielding an "Interesting Object" that I couldn't interact with |
| 22:05.35 | cog|work | saw one in redridge |
| 22:05.54 | cog|work | and the mysterious device it left behind sent me on a quest to SW |
| 22:06.21 | Zhinjio | ah, well, I already did the SW quest chain (up to king wrynn) so maybe I didn't get anything because of that |
| 22:06.28 | cog|work | probably |
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| 22:06.40 | cog|work | yeah it just brought me to the quest giver for that chain |
| 22:06.44 | MoonWitch|Mobile | i was a bit disappointed in the quests :( |
| 22:07.02 | Zhinjio | there are still some more than aren't live yet, I believe |
| 22:07.07 | MoonWitch|Mobile | ah |
| 22:08.21 | Jamash | hm, here's one in ember clutch |
| 22:09.54 | Jamash | aand I don't seem to have gotten kill credit for it |
| 22:12.05 | cog|work | http://www.neatorama.com/2010/10/29/dinosaur-skull-found-in-church/ |
| 22:17.56 | Lulia | So, who's active right now? :P |
| 22:22.34 | TC-Work | ~vs banana mango |
| 22:22.34 | purl | in a one on one showdown, the companion cube wins. |
| 22:24.24 | Dagmar | cog: It's proof that Raptorpope exists! |
| 22:24.36 | cog|work | heh |
| 22:26.35 | Lunessa | Save me Sexy Raptor Jesus! |
| 22:26.48 | Fisker | slaps cog|work around a bit with a large trout |
| 22:27.30 | cog|work | tim minchin win |
| 22:27.33 | cog|work | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bEGLbCNRqw |
| 22:27.41 | cog|work | (nsfw lyrics) |
| 22:31.44 | Angayelle | i have a maybe working way to approx calculate ignite dps easily, lemme share with you and you tell me, k ? |
| 22:32.04 | jnwhiteh | God that was a good book. |
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| 22:33.41 | Fisker | proof blizzard favors alliance: |
| 22:33.45 | Fisker | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/27497533531/invasion-quest-order |
| 22:33.53 | Fisker | Horde: |
| 22:33.53 | Fisker | Alliance: |
| 22:33.53 | Fisker | 1) You can start with the Earthen Ring Emissary just outside the bank in TB if you want, but the breadcrumb didn't appear to offer any XP. |
| 22:34.00 | Angayelle | i track ignite damage by storing crit damage on each fire crit spell (amount*0.4), on each ignite tick i remove damage from the previous ignite bank and then divide the new ignite by 2 (seconds to get expected dps of next tick |
| 22:34.05 | Fisker | He copy/pasted the guide and rewrote it into horde but forgot to remove "alliance" |
| 22:34.06 | Fisker | :( |
| 22:34.45 | Fisker | lol fail |
| 22:34.47 | Fisker | it's a mvp |
| 22:34.51 | Fisker | blue tracker just sucks |
| 22:34.57 | Angayelle | ofc ignite munching is not taken in account (and i dunno how i could anyway) |
| 22:35.26 | Angayelle | for more accuracy i reset ignite bank each time ignite aura fall off |
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| 22:46.56 | Fisker | slaps Tuller around a bit with a large trout |
| 22:47.03 | Tuller | waffles |
| 22:51.27 | Lunessa | with bacon |
| 22:53.12 | Lunessa | damn it. Now I want bacon. |
| 23:02.33 | Angayelle | something is not right, i crit for 11588, ignite is 2781*2 instead of 2317*2 |
| 23:03.33 | kd3|netbook | welcome to mages since launch; though not with those extreme numbers |
| 23:04.02 | kd3|netbook | no dots ticking beforehand, right? |
| 23:06.18 | Angayelle | nope, only one fb cast |
| 23:06.41 | tem | is it seriously not possible to change hotkeys in sc2 beyond the default groups they have set? |
| 23:07.00 | tem | I don't want to change any race-specific |
| 23:07.04 | cog|work | tem: for now |
| 23:07.09 | tem | that's fucking horrible. |
| 23:07.15 | Angayelle | omg ignite is affected by fire mastery |
| 23:07.17 | cog|work | there's a workaround on TeamLiquid |
| 23:07.18 | cog|work | one sec |
| 23:07.38 | cog|work | tem: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=154298 |
| 23:07.39 | Aurorus | Angayelle: if you look at leaderboards for ICC, mages are current DPS champions |
| 23:07.54 | Aurorus | some 40k DPS :O |
| 23:08.09 | tem | oh thank god |
| 23:08.12 | tem | Thanks, cog|work |
| 23:08.15 | Angayelle | we have been nerfed or so it was |
| 23:08.16 | cog|work | np |
| 23:08.26 | cog|work | i'm using it now to fix the dvorak + grid + protoss bug |
| 23:08.38 | cog|work | where idle warp gates ends up on the same binding as attack-move |
| 23:08.41 | cog|work | -_- |
| 23:08.52 | tem | lol |
| 23:08.59 | tem | I hate the idle warpgate keybind |
| 23:09.05 | tem | I always hit Q instead for some reason |
| 23:09.05 | amro | grid fails |
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| 23:09.11 | cog|work | grid wins |
| 23:09.15 | amro | no u |
| 23:09.16 | amro | oh wait |
| 23:09.18 | amro | no it fails |
| 23:09.20 | cog|work | it should be default |
| 23:09.26 | cog|work | esp if you play random |
| 23:09.30 | amro | I play random |
| 23:09.36 | nicoli_s | thats so bullshit they link to wowhead in that post, youd never see blizz linking to curse |
| 23:10.00 | jnwhiteh | ... |
| 23:10.12 | kd3|netbook | freyja's an mvp. mmo-c's blue tracker doesn't handle that properly |
| 23:10.26 | nicoli_s | in reference to a link posted up a bit, should have scrolled down further :P |
| 23:10.30 | jnwhiteh | nicoli_s: does curse have the content? |
| 23:10.31 | jnwhiteh | no, it doesn't. |
| 23:10.37 | kd3|netbook | sure, it's up on the wiki |
| 23:10.40 | jnwhiteh | so I fail to see why it's an issue? |
| 23:10.49 | nicoli_s | jnwhiteh:i dont mean in that particualr instance |
| 23:10.52 | nicoli_s | i mean in general |
| 23:10.56 | nicoli_s | and i didnt realize that was a MVP |
| 23:11.01 | jnwhiteh | provide something that the users need =) |
| 23:11.06 | jnwhiteh | wowwiki gets linked a lot |
| 23:11.08 | jnwhiteh | as do other sitres |
| 23:11.14 | jnwhiteh | because they provide information that people want/need |
| 23:11.17 | nicoli_s | people dont need addons? |
| 23:11.20 | jnwhiteh | curse gets linked all over the place for addons |
| 23:11.25 | jnwhiteh | so that's BS |
| 23:11.29 | jnwhiteh | that it never happens |
| 23:11.31 | nicoli_s | well ive never seen it |
| 23:11.41 | nicoli_s | and if i was wrong in my assumption that they dont, then my bad |
| 23:12.07 | jnwhiteh | well it wasn't a blue, so it's all not relevant anyway :P |
| 23:12.17 | nicoli_s | yep |
| 23:12.31 | nicoli_s | so im just bitching just to bitch, which is still fun might i ad |
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| 23:12.58 | jnwhiteh | hence why I responded as I did |
| 23:13.00 | jnwhiteh | I hate that shit =) |
| 23:13.10 | arkanes | is there some sort of wowhead/curse beef I was not aware of? |
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| 23:13.11 | jnwhiteh | I even had a name for it in uni that won't mean anything to people who weren't there :P |
| 23:14.10 | amro | arkanes: I think a bar fight and a one eyed hooker were involved, but don't quote me on that. |
