| 00:00.56 | Kraps | http://wow.joystiq.com/2010/10/25/blizzcon-2010-update-on-injured-man-from-dance-contest/ |
| 00:01.59 | DWSR | Amarande: Tanks aren't used to vengence. |
| 00:02.06 | DWSR | And vengence isn't designed for the current content. |
| 00:02.26 | DWSR | The design philosophy of the classes has shifted, but we're still playing in the same sandbox. |
| 00:02.58 | MoonWitch | nice link Kraps |
| 00:04.50 | Kraps | as someone whos broken bones more times that i can count, that splint isnt doing shit for the pain |
| 00:06.38 | brandonjviles | im sure he has some good meds |
| 00:07.15 | amro | Kraps: bad title, he got on the no fly list for being a dickwad |
| 00:07.37 | DarthAndroid_ | -----^ |
| 00:07.46 | Wobin | It's a pretty terrible headline |
| 00:07.53 | Kraps | amro: yeah, its misleading |
| 00:17.34 | brandonjviles | CreateFrame([parent]) cannot be a string? |
| 00:18.08 | DarthAndroid_ | CreateFrame(type, name, parent, template) |
| 00:18.25 | DarthAndroid_ | type = "Frame", "Button", "StatusBar", etc. |
| 00:18.47 | brandonjviles | im setting a parent, in my code, but when i do that, the frame doesnt show. When i leave parent blank, its shows |
| 00:20.01 | brandonjviles | wait, let me check something |
| 00:20.08 | DarthAndroid_ | is the parent, or any frame in the parent chain hidden? |
| 00:20.31 | DarthAndroid_ | parent:IsVisible() ? |
| 00:20.42 | brandonjviles | no, i think the problem is that when i created the parent frame... |
| 00:20.57 | brandonjviles | local framePlayer = CreateFrame("Frame", "framePlayer", frameContainer) |
| 00:21.01 | brandonjviles | woops |
| 00:21.11 | brandonjviles | local frameContainer = CreateFrame("Frame", "frameContainer", UIParent) |
| 00:21.25 | brandonjviles | variable name same as frame name |
| 00:21.33 | brandonjviles | so it might be getting confures |
| 00:21.37 | brandonjviles | confused* |
| 00:21.43 | DarthAndroid_ | no |
| 00:21.54 | DarthAndroid_ | once you call local frameContainer |
| 00:22.06 | DarthAndroid_ | all subsequent references to the variable frameContainer are the local one |
| 00:22.32 | DarthAndroid_ | you'd have to use _G["frameContainer"] to get the global one defined by the frame name |
| 00:22.50 | brandonjviles | ok |
| 00:23.31 | DarthAndroid_ | with that code, is frameContainer:IsVisible() == true and framePlayer:IsShown() == true? |
| 00:23.45 | DarthAndroid_ | and does framePlayer have points defined on screen? |
| 00:23.52 | brandonjviles | Cyeah |
| 00:24.09 | brandonjviles | framecontainer is visible |
| 00:24.36 | brandonjviles | but i cant get framePlayer to be rendered |
| 00:24.46 | brandonjviles | let me try one thing, brb |
| 00:24.46 | DarthAndroid_ | then the frame is somewhere on screen. Check framePlayer:GetEffectiveAlpha() > 0 and that framePlayer actually contains textres or subobjects that are visible |
| 00:25.32 | brandonjviles | hold on |
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| 00:30.23 | DWSR | DarthAndroid_: Hey, you have experience with ouf? |
| 00:30.29 | DarthAndroid_ | yes |
| 00:30.53 | DWSR | Where's a good place to start learning how to write a layout? |
| 00:31.02 | DWSR | I was looking at just tweaking ouf_classic, but that's a bit of a mistake. |
| 00:31.25 | DarthAndroid_ | I worked off of examples |
| 00:31.30 | DarthAndroid_ | the basic idea |
| 00:31.39 | DarthAndroid_ | oUF passes your style an object |
| 00:31.57 | brandonjviles | i got if fixed |
| 00:31.59 | DarthAndroid_ | you define elements like .Health, .Power, .Portrait |
| 00:32.04 | DarthAndroid_ | and then oUF takes over |
| 00:32.25 | DWSR | ok. |
| 00:32.34 | DWSR | I don't understand how to even create a frame in the first place? |
| 00:32.44 | DarthAndroid_ | once you define a style |
| 00:32.55 | DWSR | classic just looks like code spaghetti to me. |
| 00:32.59 | DarthAndroid_ | you register it with oUF:RegisterStyle("name",func) |
| 00:33.12 | DarthAndroid_ | then you create frames with oUF:SetActiveStyle("name") |
| 00:33.31 | DarthAndroid_ | oUF:Spawn("frameName", "unit") |
| 00:34.21 | DarthAndroid_ | the complicated layouts can begin to look like spagehtti |
| 00:35.15 | DarthAndroid_ | but a basic one would look like this: local function style(self, unit) self.Health = CreateFrame("StatusBar",nil,self); self.Health:SetAllPoints(self) end |
| 00:37.20 | DWSR | Oh, so oUF is nothing like LitePanels in that you define the style of the frame and then the addon does all of the frame creation? |
| 00:37.33 | DarthAndroid_ | yes |
| 00:37.59 | DarthAndroid_ | it manages all the events, it updates the statusbar, etc. |
| 00:38.16 | DWSR | But I have to create the frames |
| 00:38.19 | DarthAndroid_ | no |
| 00:38.23 | DarthAndroid_ | well |
| 00:38.27 | DarthAndroid_ | you tell oUF to create the frames |
| 00:38.30 | DarthAndroid_ | and it creates it |
| 00:38.36 | DarthAndroid_ | then it calls your style function on it |
| 00:38.43 | DarthAndroid_ | then it gives you the completed frame |
| 00:40.08 | amro | Kraps: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWJ9o46xQHY |
| 00:40.27 | Jerub | does anyone know anything about the built in frameS? I'd rather use the built in frames but there's usability issues with them i need to overcome. |
| 00:40.38 | DWSR | Can you help me with some of the code in classic? I can pastebin it for you if you want. |
| 00:40.48 | DarthAndroid_ | DWSR: that would be helpful |
| 00:41.09 | DWSR | I made some minor tweaks, but basically it was all positioning stuff. |
| 00:41.27 | A-KO | http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/JTypes2.asp |
| 00:41.41 | DWSR | http://pastebin.com/h1hSEYHW |
| 00:43.53 | DarthAndroid_ | alright, so what do you want to know? |
| 00:44.43 | DWSR | What does :Factory() do? l325 |
| 00:45.06 | DarthAndroid_ | it delays until PLAYER_LOGIN |
| 00:45.40 | DarthAndroid_ | instead of executing that code when the UI initializes, it waits until the PLAYER_LOGIN event fires, and then executes that function |
| 00:45.40 | Kraps | amro: shay is a douche so yeah |
| 00:45.52 | amro | and he fails at games |
| 00:45.56 | amro | and life in general |
| 00:46.13 | amro | it's hilarious, how hard is it to box and right click some minerals >< |
| 00:46.26 | amro | even you can do that. |
| 00:46.33 | Kraps | hey! |
| 00:47.06 | DWSR | Hmm.. |
| 00:47.10 | DWSR | That gives me an idea. Sec DarthAndroid_ |
| 00:48.22 | Kraps | i need an article on how moh mp works |
| 00:48.25 | amro | I mean whoa, I've never seen anyone so bad at games |
| 00:48.42 | amro | Kraps: you betray your country and insult veterans |
| 00:48.44 | amro | something along those lines |
| 00:48.48 | amro | swhat I heard. |
| 00:48.53 | Kraps | :p |
| 00:50.32 | Kraps | i like it so foo |
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| 00:52.42 | DWSR | DarthAndroid_: What are the events that are fired, in order, from when the player clicks the "Enter World" button to the time they see the 3d game world? |
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| 00:53.14 | DarthAndroid_ | first, all of the addon initialization code. |
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| 00:53.37 | DarthAndroid_ | then ADDON_LOADED is fired for each addon after the init code is run |
| 00:53.51 | DarthAndroid_ | then SAVED_VARIABLES_LOADED for each addon after it loads the saved variables |
| 00:54.01 | DarthAndroid_ | then PLAYER_LOGIN |
| 00:54.03 | alestane | I've been asked to pass on that Cairenn has been heinously delayed on her flight back. |
| 00:54.08 | DarthAndroid_ | then PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD |
| 00:54.19 | DarthAndroid_ | then there's something about the world map updating |
| 00:54.23 | alestane | She's okay, she'll get home late, and probably sleep until about 2pm tomorrow. |
| 00:54.25 | DarthAndroid_ | then PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD is fired again |
| 00:54.42 | DWSR | alestane: Thanks. Good to know. :) |
| 00:54.43 | alestane | So she says she expects to return to us at some unspecified time tomorrow. |
| 00:55.44 | DWSR | DarthAndroid_: Thanks. :) |
| 00:56.31 | DarthAndroid_ | DWSR: http://www.wowwiki.com/AddOn_loading_process is probably better than my memory |
| 00:56.39 | DWSR | Yeah, just found that. |
| 00:57.00 | DWSR | I'm using PLAYER_ALIVE to work around BT4's initialization order and the fact that I'm getting bar sizes via the overlay's size, rather than with arithmetic. |
| 00:57.08 | DWSR | Hackish fix is hackish. |
| 00:57.47 | DWSR | Sorry, it was just an epiphany that popped into my head when you mentioned PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD |
| 00:57.50 | DWSR | Ah, brilliant, it works. |
| 00:57.59 | DarthAndroid_ | you can use PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD and read the values directly out of BT4 |
| 00:58.04 | DarthAndroid_ | 's database |
| 00:58.16 | DarthAndroid_ | since it's saved variables and profiles will be loaded by that point |
| 00:59.22 | DWSR | There's no actual size information available. |
| 00:59.50 | DarthAndroid_ | well, it uses some value for SetWidth and SetHeight :P |
| 01:00.02 | DWSR | lol |
| 01:00.09 | DWSR | I don't know exactly what values it uses. :P |
| 01:00.35 | DWSR | It's clearly based on the padding values and so forth. nevcairiel just suggested I use the overlay size, since that is the same size as the bar. |
| 01:00.53 | DWSR | And it is, it's just a matter of /when/ it's the right size. |
| 01:01.00 | DarthAndroid_ | well |
| 01:01.25 | DarthAndroid_ | overlay:HookScript("OnSizeChanged",function(self) ... self:GetSize() ... end) |
| 01:01.57 | DWSR | hrm. |
| 01:01.59 | DWSR | Also a good idea. |
| 01:03.34 | amro | Kraps: it's basically day9 vs husky, with husky limited to left hand and no keyboard, and day9 limited to doushaycarl as a controller |
| 01:03.37 | amro | funny stuff |
| 01:04.04 | amro | and I think day9 has the worse handicap |
| 01:06.58 | brandonjviles | amor, what are you talking about? |
| 01:07.03 | brandonjviles | amro |
| 01:07.19 | amro | http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_235959&v=pbwbk9ocDQA&feature=iv |
| 01:07.59 | Jamash | lol |
| 01:08.16 | brandonjviles | thats instane |
| 01:08.29 | amro | Husky's mom: DINNER! Husky: Hang on, I'm playing starcraft 2! |
| 01:09.12 | Jamash | keyboardless starcraft |
| 01:09.17 | Jamash | it's the sport of the future |
| 01:10.24 | amro | if you play keyboardless sc2 for more than an hour, your hand will fall off |
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| 01:15.15 | DWSR | DarthAndroid_: Anyway, the official documentation of oUF is a little lacking. |
| 01:15.24 | DWSR | any sources you recommend I take a look at? |
| 01:15.39 | DarthAndroid_ | the soruce of each file in the elements\ folder |
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| 01:20.22 | brandonjviles | What did you do wrong? lol |
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| 01:54.24 | Amarande | ... did they double the spawns around the command tent for Scarlet Diversions? |
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| 01:54.39 | Amarande | the quest is GREEN and ... I tried to pull mobs off to the side, I got omgzerged and didn't stand a chance ... |
| 01:54.51 | Amarande | and half of them are the damn mages ... |
| 01:54.59 | Amarande | gonna have to come in with an 80 and clear it out to force a respawn, DAMMIT. |
| 01:55.18 | Amarande | that many spawns with that many mages is just impossible in the 50s |
| 01:55.24 | Amarande | because arcane missiles is OP then |
| 01:55.52 | Amarande | WAY op. |
| 01:56.13 | Amarande | remember on my priest in EPL in the 50s having a horrible, horrible time with all the mage skeletons because of that spell (especially since pushback was unlimited at that point ...) |
| 01:56.41 | Amarande | (and why is it only OP when mobs use it? whenever I tried a mage, I found arcane missiles to be nigh on useless most of the time :|) |
| 01:57.29 | amro | because it's not the exact same spell |
| 01:59.28 | Amarande | anyway, *did* they increase the spawn there? |
| 01:59.57 | Amarande | (and is there any way at any reasonable level to survive a non-separable group of 3 of those bastards ... they all cast in unison on the same target which just *melts*) |
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| 02:00.58 | xyphoid | shoot one, run away, shoot it again, keep running until the other two evade |
| 02:01.41 | xyphoid | I remember doing that a lot around those WPL camps |
| 02:02.05 | Amarande | I've never had an issue like this except the time I tried to do it underleveled on a priest |
| 02:02.22 | Amarande | I'm always about 3-6 levels above the quest, and it generally goes really easily ... but I also don't think there were this many mobs before, either |
| 02:02.31 | xyphoid | that tent always had huge numbers of dudes |
| 02:02.45 | Amarande | and this is a hunter that's soloed elites like Shadra with ease |
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| 02:03.52 | Amarande | this is also the hunter that more or less singlehandedly saved a wipe when we got way too many adds in ZF |
| 02:03.56 | xyphoid | kite moar |
| 02:04.15 | xyphoid | are you just sending your pet in or something |
| 02:04.54 | Amarande | xyphoid: it pretty much went like this |
| 02:05.04 | Amarande | there was an isolated group of 2 guys to the left front |
| 02:05.37 | Amarande | so, of course, logically I sent my pet after those two, figuring they were separate. then somehow I end up with like 7 mobs including 3 mages on me, and some of them aggro to ME instead of the pet even though I'm at pretty long range |
| 02:06.25 | Amarande | then I'm getting hit by 3 mages for omgdamage that I've not even seen in instances |
| 02:06.34 | xyphoid | you just sent your pet in then |
| 02:06.49 | Amarande | they're practically the Ahn'kahar Spellflingers of the classic overworld. :P |
| 02:07.56 | Amarande | xyphoid: well, that's normally the way with hunters. you don't charge in *yourself*. :) |
| 02:07.58 | amro | every fucking mob was a fucking spellflinger |
| 02:08.03 | amro | vanilla was BRUTAL |
| 02:08.35 | Amarande | also, since pets have smaller aggro radii than their masters, it seems almost as if they've made more of the mobs link |
| 02:08.38 | xyphoid | drop a trap, shoot, run, send your pet in after they run away from the back a bit |
| 02:09.02 | xyphoid | s/back/pack |
| 02:09.10 | Amarande | ah, crap. no wonder |
| 02:09.16 | Amarande | I'm scouting it out with the DK and now I can see what the issue is |
| 02:09.23 | Amarande | there are NO melee mobs in this spawn except the hunters' pets |
| 02:09.42 | Amarande | and casters usually won't move at all unless you silence them |
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| 02:09.47 | xyphoid | or you outrange them |
| 02:09.52 | Lunessa | Station, bitches. |
| 02:10.17 | Mikk | finishing an attack has higher social aggro radius than just running for someone |
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| 02:10.40 | xyphoid | yeah, a lot of the time facepulling and running is the best way to grab 2 out of a camp |
| 02:11.22 | Mikk | *blblblblbl* come get me! |
| 02:11.25 | Mikk | legs it |
| 02:11.27 | Amarande | well, my DK is in. eat howling blasts, bitches. |
| 02:11.31 | Amarande | :) |
| 02:12.57 | Thunder_Child | Mikk: lay off the drugs |
| 02:13.14 | Mikk | i like my caffeine tyvm |
| 02:13.36 | xyphoid | i kind of miss those huge camps of dudes once you leave azeroth |
| 02:13.37 | Thunder_Child | s/gs/gs in irc/ |
| 02:14.47 | Amarande | xyphoid: huge camps are fine when they're balanced ... looking at them from the DK's perspective before I killed them, it looks like it's about the worst spawn possible |
| 02:14.58 | Amarande | 3 invokers, 3 hunters and the rest medics, no melee guys at all |
| 02:14.58 | PProvost | So have any of our insiders proposed a SecureBuffButtonTemplate kind of fix to address the changes they made that are preventing custom buff bars from working fully? |
| 02:15.09 | PProvost | I did some scanning and couldn't find any blue posts on the topic |
| 02:15.27 | Thunder_Child | i think there was some talk like that at the blizzcon dinner |
| 02:15.58 | Thunder_Child | s/like/about/ |
| 02:16.00 | PProvost | I hope so. I'm getting sick of typing /cancelaura when some jerk puts Wisp Costume on me in an instance. :P |
| 02:16.29 | Mikk | just uses blizz buffbar :D |
| 02:16.47 | Thunder_Child | Mikk has no flair |
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| 02:17.23 | Mikk | it does what i need it to do :P |
| 02:17.38 | amro | blizz buffs are good enough |
| 02:17.40 | xyphoid | are there actually any examples of those camps of 5+ hard-to-split mobs in outland/northrend? |
| 02:17.44 | amro | used to use sbf, but ont much reason to anymore |
| 02:17.48 | amro | unless you move shit all over |
| 02:17.49 | Lunessa | *shrug* They responded to fix a valid problem, we just have to get used to doing things a slightly different way. I'm working on something to do a /cancelaura for effects like costumes and the like. |
| 02:18.01 | Hirsute | For now, I just use the Blizz buff bar, too, but it really drives me nuts. I really, really don't like having them up in the corner. I'd much rather have them under my Unit Frame. |
| 02:18.17 | Hirsute | What was the problem, anyway? I've not figured that out. |
| 02:18.52 | bleeter | Shirik: war iz illegaladdon update? |
| 02:19.13 | Amarande | xyphoid: I think there were a few in Grizzly Hills, if I remember my warlock's travails |
| 02:19.21 | Amarande | the blue trolls |
| 02:19.47 | Amarande | there's also Zeth'Gor in Hellfire. |
| 02:19.49 | amro | in wotlk, you can just stack shit and aoe |
| 02:19.54 | amro | all the way up to naxx |
| 02:19.57 | Amarande | which is one BIG camp of hard to split suck. |
| 02:20.09 | Lunessa | Auto-canceling buffs was turning into another arms race sort of deal - follow the the logical results of allowing all sorts of things to auto-cancel and you'll see how it limits the use of the buff system, form changes, etc. |
| 02:20.13 | amro | zeth'gor is hard if you go there at 58 |
| 02:21.03 | Sixen | oc |
| 02:21.11 | bleeter | Sixen: ohai |
| 02:21.11 | Lunessa | Anyway, I'm just home. I haven't slept since Sunday morning and I just wanted to say 'hi.' |
| 02:21.32 | bleeter | Lunessa: ohai |
| 02:21.32 | Sixen | oosp |
| 02:21.37 | Sixen | hai bleetar |
| 02:21.39 | Sixen | bleetair |
| 02:21.45 | Hirsute | Lunessa: Fair enough. I guess I'm just not seeing how it's an issue for me to be able to turn off non-detrimental effects on myself, even if done automatically. I'm not all rageQQ about it, I just haven't figured out what the real problem was. *shrug* |
| 02:23.47 | Lunessa | Blizzard posits long-term directions of things and acts - so even if something isn't readily apparent, the implactions for future design/content have been debated endlessly at Blizzard before they decided to protect those APIs. |
| 02:24.33 | Kraps | heya Lunessa |
| 02:25.02 | Amarande | In other words, there's something in Cata *important enough to restrict people's ability to click off buffs*? |
| 02:25.08 | Amarande | I can't imagine what. |
| 02:25.08 | Lunessa | There will probably be something we can do in code to make it more paltable - but no one has really had much time to do anything with it yet. |
| 02:25.33 | Lunessa | Amarande - or to do so programattically. |
| 02:25.43 | Lunessa | Hiya Kraps. |
| 02:26.06 | Lunessa | Also, I'm fried, so I might not be presenting it cogently. |
| 02:26.30 | Amarande | Lunessa: It also seems there's an increasing perception among players that Blizzard wants people using fewer addons and more of Blizzard's provided UI instead |
| 02:26.49 | bleeter | if I were blizz, i'd want that too |
| 02:26.54 | Lunessa | That's pretty much a fallacy. |
| 02:26.58 | bleeter | just down on qa overhead etc. |
| 02:27.02 | Amarande | bleeter: that's a little schizophrenic though |
| 02:27.12 | Amarande | "we'll provide you this robust UI mod tool but we're going to discourage you from using it" |
| 02:27.21 | bleeter | Amarande: not really, if it's a side effect of other policies it's a nice thing. |
| 02:27.49 | amro | it's bad for blizzard if the game becomes unplayable without installing 30 addons |
| 02:28.00 | bleeter | Amarande: in having events which even near required addons |
| 02:28.02 | Shadowed | The game is hardly umplayable |
| 02:28.03 | Amarande | also, that's something kind of alien to me, a creative mind, in terms of design. the idea of having design dictated by *administrative policy* rather than by more creative impetus ... |
| 02:28.03 | bleeter | yes, what amro said |
| 02:28.10 | amro | Shadowed: no, but far less enjoyable |
| 02:28.17 | Shadowed | enjoyable is not a static term |
| 02:28.20 | Amarande | bleeter: you mean like the Lich King? |
| 02:28.36 | Lunessa | They add features to the UI that make sense to add to meet design goals. They don't want to eliminate AddOns for WoW. I mean, that's just silly. |
| 02:28.38 | Amarande | LK10 normal, I imagine, is barely doable without DBM, and that's if you're Ensidia caliber. |
| 02:28.41 | amro | Shadowed: not gonna get into this conversation, you're not going to tell me that the stock 1.0 UI was just as fun |
| 02:28.51 | Amarande | Light of Dawn without addons you'd basically have to be God Himself to do. |
| 02:28.52 | Shadowed | You won't get into this conversation, because you're wrong |
| 02:29.00 | bleeter | well basically comes down to raidig in vanilla was balls because there was no default raid UI and we relied on 15 different addons |
| 02:29.07 | Shadowed | The default UI is not supposed to be used by everyone |
| 02:29.13 | amro | Shadowed: right, I'm wrong that I enjoy the current UI more. thanks |
| 02:29.19 | amro | Shadowed: care to tell me how I feel about other things? |
| 02:29.20 | Amarande | also, the thing that bugs ME the most about the default UI |
| 02:29.21 | bleeter | and the inventiable conflicts and crashes and server tantrums. at least now there's a default that blizz can say people can use |
| 02:29.29 | Shadowed | You're wrong that you think your feelings are shared by everyone else |
| 02:29.32 | Amarande | is the lack of ability to move basically ANY of Blizzard's widgets |
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| 02:29.52 | Shadowed | Amarande can you think of a user friendly, non crazy way to do that? :p |
| 02:29.54 | Amarande | basically, you have to addon almost everything after a point, or you'll get stuck laying out the screen because you can't move what's left of the Blizzard UI |
| 02:30.04 | Shadowed | uh |
| 02:30.05 | Shadowed | no you don't |
| 02:30.09 | amro | Shadowed: you're wrong if you think they're not |
| 02:30.22 | amro | take a look at curse, wowi, etc |
| 02:30.34 | Shadowed | You're mixing up what you want, and what everyone wants. You do not need 30 addons, you don't need 0, you don't need 5. However many addons you use is your personal preference |
| 02:30.49 | Shadowed | some people do actually like the default UI and don't need to move everything |
| 02:30.53 | Shadowed | some people don't |
| 02:31.10 | amro | Shadowed: it's not about needing, it's about wanting |
| 02:31.14 | Shadowed | The point of the default UI isn't to satisfy everyone, if it was they would have an awful UI |
| 02:31.15 | Shadowed | ... |
| 02:31.30 | Shadowed | christ |
| 02:31.46 | DWSR | It would be nice to move the default buff frame. |
| 02:31.57 | DWSR | but then again, it would be nice to move anything in the Blizzard UI |
| 02:32.03 | Shadowed | I'm not going to argue you twisting words to prove a point that is wrong. Addons are not required, and the default UI is not supposed to satisfy everyone. It's no different than the fact that there are multiple addons that are in the same subset, like UFs or buff mods |
| 02:32.05 | Iriel | You can, you just need to install an AddOn to do it |
| 02:32.08 | bleeter | Sixen: did I see you on an oceanic server the other day, or was that some sixen wannabe |
| 02:32.10 | Lunessa | Was there a kool-aide party for logically fallacy I didn't get invited to? |
| 02:32.15 | Shadowed | yes Lunessa |
| 02:32.23 | amro | Shadowed: no, they are not required, I corrected my wording later on |
| 02:32.26 | Sixen | bleeter: Some wannabe :( |
| 02:32.35 | Shadowed | the default UI does what it needs to, which is provide something that is usable and easy for new players to use without being forced into addons immediately |
| 02:32.39 | bleeter | Sixen: suspected as much, i'll tell 'em to gtfo next time I see 'em ;) |
| 02:32.42 | Shadowed | if they want to branch off into addons, they can |
| 02:32.44 | amro | Shadowed: and it's not perfect |
| 02:32.44 | Sixen | :) |
| 02:32.49 | Shadowed | And? |
| 02:32.54 | Shadowed | No addon is perfect either |
| 02:32.56 | amro | no |
| 02:33.04 | amro | there's nothing wrong with blizzard improving the base UI |
| 02:33.06 | Iriel | Shadowed: i'd go further than that, it provides something _SUPPORTED_ that is usable and easy for.... |
| 02:33.10 | Thunder_Child | newest xkcd is win |
| 02:33.18 | Shadowed | Iriel yea that's a better way of looking at it |
| 02:33.18 | amro | I don't see how you can possibly be against that |
| 02:33.30 | Iriel | Thunder_Child: agreed |
| 02:33.37 | bleeter | YOU CAn'T HANDLE SUPPORTED! :P |
| 02:34.09 | Shadowed | I didn't say I was against that, I said you're wrong if you think you are required, need or have to use addons to play the game |
| 02:34.28 | amro | Shadowed: yes, and I corrected my wording |
| 02:34.35 | amro | you still wouldn't step off my nuts |
| 02:34.48 | Lunessa | Oh look, Funcom is betaing Bloodline Champions... And I got a key. WTF? |
| 02:35.06 | amro | what you said was that I'm wrong for thinking the 4.x ui is more enjoyable than 1.x |
| 02:35.39 | Shadowed | Actually I never said that |
| 02:35.48 | Shadowed | but nice try! |
| 02:35.51 | Shadowed | off to shower thought |
| 02:35.54 | bleeter | fwiw, I think it's funny that Blizz blame lack of Tabard closet on lack of imagination for UI |
| 02:35.57 | amro | [03:28] <amro> Shadowed: not gonna get into this conversation, you're not going to tell me that the stock 1.0 UI was just as fun [03:28] <Shadowed> You won't get into this conversation, because you're wrong |
| 02:36.09 | amro | the ol' run off before you can respond |
| 02:36.18 | Amarande | I suspect part of it is the release timing of 4.0. |
| 02:36.29 | Shadowed | That was in reference to what you said before the stock 1.0 UI |
| 02:36.32 | Shadowed | not after |
| 02:36.36 | Shadowed | but again, nice try |
| 02:36.37 | Amarande | 4.0 came out right around Hallow's End ... which just happens to particularly exercise some of the foibles of 4.0 badly |
| 02:36.38 | Mikk | bah just let us stick tabards in the keyring or something |
| 02:36.45 | amro | Shadowed: I retracted that |
| 02:36.48 | Shadowed | didn't they say they would do that eventually Mikk? |
| 02:36.48 | Mikk | it'll make just about as much sense as being able to run around with 20 shields |
| 02:36.52 | amro | goddayum |
| 02:36.56 | Amarande | there's HH, which due to the pumpkin summon mechanic ran roughshod into the tooltip glitch |
| 02:37.10 | bleeter | Mikk: all novelty clothes. he's right though that each item may have different 'on use stuff, minor UI issue ;) |
| 02:37.13 | Amarande | there's the Hallowed Wands, which basically immediately exercised the "clickoff buffs is protected" system right away |
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| 02:37.27 | Lulia | hi |
| 02:37.33 | Amarande | I mean, how often do you *normally* these days find a need to click off a buff manually? |
| 02:37.45 | Mikk | ask a balance druid =) |
| 02:38.00 | Mikk | though you dont want to go chasing a buff with your mouse for that |
| 02:38.24 | Mikk | "oh shit oh shit another pack added and i have starfail running! im gonna dieeeeeee!" |
| 02:38.52 | Dewin | That's what barkskin and/or shadowmeld is for! |
| 02:39.07 | Mikk | i swear our tanks run over into the 2nd pack in deathwhisper's room exactly when they see the druids pop starfall |
| 02:39.15 | Mikk | and then go lololol druids die |
| 02:39.21 | Hirsute | Lunessa: Ah, no you presented your point well enough, now that I understand that you were referring to future problems, and not existing ones. |
| 02:39.51 | Dewin | Mikk: Have a mage run in and iceblock |
| 02:39.55 | Amarande | ok, so maybe if you're using starfall. :) |
| 02:40.05 | Dewin | actually, solar beam works well too |
| 02:40.06 | Amarande | Mikk: fwiw, we usually LoS the first pack, and then go inside for the second |
| 02:40.25 | Mikk | our tanks cba to wait and charge right in, with the healers screaming "FFS WE'RE NOT IN RANGE" on vent |
| 02:40.35 | Lulia | Have to click off buffs all the time with this Halloween event running |
| 02:40.41 | Lulia | I don't want a pumpkin on my head :P |
| 02:40.48 | Lulia | Or to be a bat or skeleton, etc... |
| 02:40.58 | Amarande | Lulia: exactly, I suspect Hallow's End is one of the major reasons 4.0 isn't being received as well as it could have been |
| 02:41.28 | Amarande | you know what the sad thing is |
| 02:41.30 | Lulia | I made a cancel aura macro for the pumpkin and just manually type the outfits if they happen to be put on me. |
| 02:41.40 | Amarande | because Blizzard ALWAYS seems to release expansions in Nov/Dec |
| 02:41.49 | Amarande | it's ALWAYS Hallow's End that gets screwed by the pre-expansion patch changes |
| 02:42.03 | Mikk | well |
| 02:42.12 | Amarande | I mean c'mon, it's WoW, do they really need the Xmas rush to get sales? :) |
| 02:42.12 | Mikk | for "2 expansions" values of "always" anyway |
| 02:42.21 | Amarande | Pretty much every regular player ends up buying all the expansions in time anyway. |
| 02:42.22 | xyphoid | and 'not screwed' for 'screwed' |
| 02:42.52 | Mikk | in fairness, they wanted it out sooner than this even |
| 02:43.38 | Baps | well, TOC was Late Feb |
| 02:43.41 | Amarande | Not to mention, it's WoW ... it's a constant income stream because it's a subscription game. It's not like regular games where they need that big Christmas gift sales rush to get a big infusion of cash to tide them over until the next game. |
| 02:43.46 | Mikk | but i'm not complaining, i'm busy most of november :D |
| 02:43.52 | Baps | so one late feb, one mid nov, one early dec |
| 02:43.58 | amro | Amarande: the game wasn't ready before |
| 02:44.20 | amro | you want an incomplete piece of shit early release, try almost any other mmo |
| 02:44.35 | Amarande | amro: judging by the way 4.0's been going for many, it may still not be ready |
| 02:44.44 | Amarande | e.g. the tooltip bug, which is a huge one that I'm surprised hit live |
| 02:44.52 | amro | nah, that's not as big a deal |
| 02:45.12 | Mikk | you could certainly argue that 4.0 has been a buggy release yes |
| 02:45.21 | Amarande | they could have given it a few more weeks |
| 02:45.22 | amro | that's the software side of it |
| 02:45.23 | Amarande | *except* |
| 02:45.25 | bleeter | iirc bc was feb because it really wasn't ready for nov lolol |
| 02:45.27 | amro | the content takes longer to develop |
| 02:45.32 | Thunder_Child | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s13Y7SKrFls&feature=player_embedded |
| 02:45.33 | Amarande | that Activision would probably have gotten pissed off at Blizzard |
| 02:45.39 | Amarande | because that would make the release JUST miss Christmas |
| 02:45.41 | bleeter | only bug in 4.0.1 that annoys the crap outta me is the 'on use'/cogwheel crash |
| 02:45.50 | Amarande | bleeter: yeah, that's the tooltip bug |
| 02:45.54 | Kraps | http://gizmodo.com/5669317/student-hides-rick-astleys-song-in-college-paper |
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| 02:46.32 | bleeter | Amarande: oic, but now I know the handful of situations it happens in... I'll be fine |
| 02:46.56 | Amarande | bleeter: if it was just the pumpkin it would be one thing |
| 02:47.04 | Amarande | but I've heard lock portals and mage tables have been affected as well |
| 02:47.15 | bleeter | summoning stones |
| 02:47.17 | bleeter | too |
| 02:47.29 | bleeter | but it is just one thing, so.. meh |
| 02:47.46 | xyphoid | the only bug that i care about is geddon :( |
| 02:47.55 | Amarande | I've also noticed there's been a distinct increase in the amount of DCs in general since 4.0 |
| 02:47.57 | Amarande | not just from that |
| 02:48.03 | bleeter | Amarande: but as we know, it's all cogwheel's fault. So. |
| 02:48.37 | Amarande | and it may just be lock stuff and mage tables and the pumpkin |
| 02:48.45 | Amarande | since I've been questing aplenty and haven't seen it go off on anything else |
| 02:49.03 | Amarande | and our raid sees it little, since the mage has been warned about the tables and we don't usually have a lock in our raid |
| 02:49.33 | Dewin | I just tell people to install tiptac :-p |
| 02:49.37 | Amarande | otoh, I did notice the tank in my last BRD DC'd right as we'd opened one of the gates near the beginning ... so maybe it does happen to some folks. |
| 02:49.43 | Amarande | Dewin: I have TipTac, I still got the pumpkin crash |
| 02:49.55 | Dewin | Ah. I haven't done any of the halloween stuff |
| 02:50.29 | Dewin | got the mount on the character that collects them and that's all I really care about |
| 02:50.37 | Amarande | anyway, it couldn't have hurt for them to test it for a few more weeks, could it? :S |
| 02:50.49 | Amarande | except then Cata would have come out in early January, which apparently no one wants games to come out at. |
| 02:51.06 | Amarande | but like I said ... it's WoW, it's not like it's the kind of game that depends that heavily on holiday gift sales. |
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| 02:51.48 | Iriel | I have a different take on it |
| 02:51.57 | Iriel | a holiday release is good for PLAYERS because they have days off to play on |
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| 02:52.38 | Amarande | Iriel: yeah, Cata's may even be perfectly timed in that regard |
| 02:52.43 | Amarande | an actual *HOLIDAY* release would be bad |
| 02:52.54 | SqueeG | quick! |
| 02:53.02 | Amarande | because then the whole holiday server-buckling installation and initial rush comes right when people have their days off that they want to enjoy the game |
| 02:53.07 | SqueeG | could someone provide me with some regex help? xD |
| 02:53.12 | Amarande | viz. how everyone is always cranky on a major patch day because the servers are buckling under the strain |
| 02:53.30 | bleeter | haha someone's worked out how to load up webOS SDL games under Maemo haha |
| 02:53.33 | xyphoid | i can do regexes, lua patterns maybe not heh |
| 02:53.37 | amro | Amarande: people generally have more money to spend on stuff like this this time of yeear |
| 02:53.46 | Amarande | sometimes when the patch is major enough, it's literally impossible to raid on patch day because the servers are too strained :) |
| 02:54.17 | SqueeG | xyphoid, is there a way to insert something two characters back from the end? |
| 02:55.26 | Nechckn | pets the nice woolie |
| 02:55.42 | Hirsute | xyphoid: That's because you can't think about lua patterns as regexes. Think about them, instead, is the little-brother of regexes, if regexes's Mom drank lots and lots of vodka while it was gestating. |
| 02:55.54 | Amarande | Hirsute: wow. :) |
| 02:55.59 | Amarande | I'm glad I don't code in Lua, now |
| 02:56.03 | Lunessa | heads off to bed for 24 hours recouperating from BlizzCon. |
| 02:56.16 | Amarande | I found non-simple regexes to be annoying and brainf**ky enough :| |
| 02:56.20 | xyphoid | lua is pretty choice, i enjoy it compared to my day job language |
| 02:56.38 | Amarande | xyphoid: lemme guess, you have to code Active Server Pages? :) |
| 02:56.44 | SqueeG | i'm attempting to get around the floating point precision problem in JS >>> |
| 02:56.46 | SqueeG | >.>* |
| 02:56.57 | SqueeG | i just want to insert a decimal two numbers back from the end |
| 02:57.03 | xyphoid | php! |
| 02:57.24 | SqueeG | eh, php is for final validation |
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| 02:57.27 | SqueeG | the js is for looks |
| 02:57.37 | Hirsute | Amarande: I don't don't mind coding in Lua, as long as I don't have to do much pattern matching. Lua sacrifices far too much functionality in favor of the matching functions being "lightweight", in my opinion. |
| 02:58.57 | xyphoid | well, PCRE's available as a library if you need it i guess |
| 02:59.24 | Hirsute | xyphoid: Not within Wow. |
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| 03:05.39 | taroven | Hirsute: If I'm trying to pattern match in WoW, I generally prefer speed over functionality. Lua's pattern matching works fine 99% of the time unless you're trying to write some crazy chat replacement addon. |
| 03:07.03 | Hirsute | taroven: Chatfiltering is exactly what I've used it for, and it's lacking in many, many ways. Also, it lacks an "OR" functionality, so matching a string against two or three specific patterns has to be done using character sets for each character position. |
| 03:07.26 | Hirsute | Or using multiple string.match calls. |
| 03:07.44 | Lulia | So, do I use FontString() to put text on a frame? |
| 03:08.03 | taroven | Hirsute: Yeah, understandable then. |
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| 03:08.16 | Hirsute | It's things like that that just drive me nuts. Lua's pattern matching is fine for all the things that you don't really need true pattern matching for. It sucks for anything that I'd actually use a regex for otherwise. |
| 03:08.32 | TC-Away | ~weather klax |
| 03:09.04 | TC-Away | mmmm...wind |
| 03:09.06 | Hirsute | It has no true "word boundary", either, that can be jimmy-rigged using the frontier pattern, but they seem to be planning to deprecate that eventually without replacing it. |
| 03:09.22 | taroven | Lulia: local fontstring = frame:CreateFontString('GlobalNameOrNilHere','DRAWLAYER'); fontstring:SetFont('FontPath',FontSize); fontstring:SetText('Hi, this is text') |
| 03:10.34 | Lulia | Thanks, Taroven. I'm sure I'll be reading the APIs for it anyways, just wasn't clear if that's how I went about putting text on the frame, good to have the confirmation :) |
| 03:10.36 | taroven | Lulia: Little more complicated than that, but easy enough to use in practice. That won't work without at least one fontstring:SetPoint, btw. |
| 03:11.27 | taroven | Lulia: No prob. |
| 03:11.44 | Lulia | Right, I gotta set points to position it, etc.. |
| 03:11.51 | Lulia | But I can find all that out :) |
| 03:14.13 | Hirsute | But, yeah, that's part of why I stopped working on my ChatFilter, because constructing proper pattern matchins was just far too irritating. I reverted to just having a small, static addon that filters the stupidest shit out of Trade, and not distributing it. |
| 03:15.00 | Lulia | I'm actually pretty good with regex, but haven't tried luas pattern matching |
| 03:15.04 | Lulia | IT's really that bad? |
| 03:15.20 | taroven | It's not as complete as standard regex. |
| 03:15.53 | Lulia | That sucks, what is it missing? |
| 03:15.53 | taroven | Not necessarily a bad thing, and it is by design, but when dealing with human language it becomes a lot harder than regex to deal with. |
| 03:16.36 | taroven | Scroll up a bit for Hirsute's reply to me. |
| 03:17.57 | taroven | That's the main argument against it that I've seen. When not dealing with language it's actually pretty decent and very fast. ie, finding global references to numbered frames and such. It might not be powerful, but it's definitely got its uses. |
| 03:18.48 | Lulia | What's font path? What if I just want to use the default font? |
| 03:19.12 | Hirsute | Lulia: It's missing a lot of the things that make regex's useful, and I mean a lot of them. It's very, very small, but at least for everything that "small" would have benefitted me for, it's sacrificed the functionality I need, and "sma.l and fast" turns into "impotent and redundant" as I have to make multiple calls to string.match to match a single pattern of anything more than little... |
| 03:19.14 | Hirsute | ...complexity. |
| 03:19.22 | Hirsute | Lulia: GameFontNormal, I think? |
| 03:19.48 | taroven | You can use a directory path or any of the UI font templates. |
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| 03:20.18 | taroven | fontstring:SetFontObject('GameFontNormal') is what you'd use for a template. |
| 03:20.48 | Lulia | Isn't it just SetFont() ? |
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| 03:23.02 | taroven | SetFont() sets a static font and size. SetFontObject() sets the font according to a template. If you want to use a font/size that WoW provides (GameFontNormal, etc), use SetFontObject. If you want more flexibility, use SetFont. |
| 03:23.16 | taroven | That's the best way I can think to explain it. |
| 03:23.23 | Lulia | Ah |
| 03:23.28 | Lulia | I might want to change the size |
| 03:23.57 | taroven | Yep, in that case you'd go with SetFont and use the font's path. |
| 03:24.10 | Lulia | >.> |
| 03:24.23 | Lulia | So I'll have to provide the font in my addon? |
| 03:24.53 | DWSR | No. |
| 03:24.56 | taroven | Nah, WoW has its fonts included and accessible to addons. |
| 03:24.59 | DWSR | ^ |
| 03:25.28 | taroven | Can't remember the names or paths off the top of my head, lemme check. |
| 03:26.04 | Lulia | Ah, I can look them up I'm sure :) |
| 03:26.13 | Lulia | Thanks |
| 03:26.27 | taroven | No prob again. =P |
| 03:26.28 | Lulia | btw, can I use \n in between doubles quotes to make a newline? |
| 03:27.03 | taroven | Pretty sure you can, never felt the need myself. |
| 03:27.31 | taroven | What sort of addon are you writing? |
| 03:29.53 | Hirsute | Lulia: Fairly certain you can, there may be some gotchas, though. |
| 03:30.23 | Lulia | Thanks :) |
| 03:30.40 | Lulia | Oh man, I thought the Interface panel made an auto scroll box when you overflowed the height |
| 03:30.41 | Lulia | lol |
| 03:30.44 | Lulia | Guess not :D |
| 03:32.18 | Hirsute | Yeah, nope. You'll need to do a ScrollFrame or FauxScrollFrame |
| 03:32.58 | Lulia | yay, more to learn :D |
| 03:34.51 | mikma | scrollframes, eww |
| 03:35.05 | Kraps | http://io9.com/5672893/uwe-boll-makes-blubberella-++-the-first-female-fat-superhero |
| 03:35.07 | mikma | i just had my gifht with it and decided to copypaste tekkub's code instead |
| 03:35.53 | mikma | gifht=fight |
| 03:37.35 | Hirsute | whatever works for you. The other reason I stopped working on my chatfilter addon was that people wanted a gui config, and after hours and hours of trying to figure out how to make a gui config that made any sense at all, I gave up and said, "Well, if someone else wants to write it, let me know." |
| 03:39.23 | mikma | http://s.wowinterface.com/preview/pvw44710.png ^^ |
| 03:39.39 | mikma | well, that's old screenshot now |
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| 03:43.11 | Lulia | I haz a pretty logo in my Interface Panel screen |
| 03:43.16 | Lulia | :D |
| 03:44.54 | Kraps | http://gawker.com/5672958/the-tao-of-justin-bieber-faith--fun |
| 03:46.41 | Lulia | What do you think: http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx304/ChocoGoob/Screenshots/Power%20Bars/PowerBarsLogo.png ?? |
| 03:47.37 | brandonjviles | I can taste the rainbow |
| 03:47.58 | Lulia | heh :P |
| 03:48.20 | brandonjviles | how does it look in wow |
| 03:48.31 | Lulia | Sadly, it can look pretty, but it's going to take awhile before it works fully. |
| 03:49.42 | Lulia | http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx304/ChocoGoob/Screenshots/Power%20Bars/PBLogoIn-Game.jpg |
| 03:50.03 | brandonjviles | hmm not bad |
| 03:50.19 | Lulia | Yeah, now the AddOn just needs to kick as much butt ;) |
| 03:50.35 | Lulia | Getting a druid to level 10 so I can start working on an Eclipse frame next |
| 03:52.12 | brandonjviles | i finally got my addon working first addon working - mines not pretty but its functional |
| 03:52.15 | brandonjviles | http://www.wegame.com/watch/frontend/ |
| 03:52.28 | brandonjviles | there will be an add play |
| 03:52.41 | Lulia | That's the hunter one? |
| 03:53.09 | brandonjviles | yeah |
| 03:54.14 | brandonjviles | it is basically a modded faceshooter - instead of dispalying Icon of next shot in a frame, it frame:Show() and frame:Hide() depending on faceshooter suggested shot |
| 03:54.31 | Lulia | Yeah I saw it, it's neat |
| 03:54.37 | Lulia | I think the highlight is a bit heavy though. |
| 03:54.41 | brandonjviles | yeah |
| 03:54.45 | brandonjviles | im gonna change artwork |
| 03:54.53 | Lulia | Well if you need any graphics ;) |
| 03:55.05 | brandonjviles | did you see the aimed shot proc? |
| 03:55.15 | brandonjviles | i want all the highlights to do that |
| 03:55.38 | brandonjviles | you probably know how the new proc highlight looks - the ingame one |
| 03:55.53 | brandonjviles | but its an animation, so thats more to learn |
| 03:55.57 | Lulia | I like the default game one as of 4.01 |
| 03:56.02 | brandonjviles | yeah |
| 03:56.09 | brandonjviles | thats what i want for all the highlights |
| 03:57.20 | Lulia | That would be nice |
| 03:57.27 | taroven | brandonjviles: Got a different link for that? My browser apparently dislikes Wegame. |
| 03:57.29 | Lulia | I'm probably going to have to learn animations eventually too. |
| 03:57.59 | brandonjviles | yeah, then i could further mod face shooter to work for other classes :D would be really cool |
| 03:57.59 | taroven | brandonjviles: nm, just downloading. |
| 03:58.08 | brandonjviles | ummm |
| 03:58.10 | brandonjviles | ok |
| 03:58.28 | brandonjviles | an add will play first... wegame is queer like that |
| 04:00.25 | taroven | brandonjviles: Looks pretty decent as far as rotation helpers go. |
| 04:00.40 | Hirsute | And it'll keep popping up an ad over the frigging buttons at the bottom of the screen, too. |
| 04:00.51 | brandonjviles | lol |
| 04:01.11 | taroven | Yeah... think I figured out why Wegame and Firefox don't get along... All the adservers are blocked by noscript XD |
| 04:01.46 | Lulia | NoScript! |
| 04:01.52 | taroven | <3 |
| 04:02.11 | brandonjviles | anyone else waiting for LUI v3.3? i miss it so much |
| 04:02.18 | taroven | What can I say. I hate things that bring my browser to a screeching halt. |
| 04:02.46 | Thunder_Child | like the diablo 3 website when it forst come out? |
| 04:02.48 | SqueeG | HAHA |
| 04:02.49 | Thunder_Child | first* |
| 04:02.54 | SqueeG | I laugh in the face of floating point errors! |
| 04:03.26 | Lulia | Wow, not sure that WoWPedia has a listing of the font name files |
| 04:03.28 | Lulia | :-/ |
| 04:03.35 | Lulia | It's not in SetFont() anyways |
| 04:03.40 | Lulia | Maybe wowprogramming has it. |
| 04:04.02 | taroven | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1999297/WoWScrnShot_101410_231515.jpg - Think I need a new UI screeny, that one's getting old. |
| 04:04.42 | brandonjviles | are you a tank? |
| 04:04.53 | taroven | My pally is, yeah. |
| 04:04.56 | brandonjviles | dude, your losing threat. |
| 04:05.00 | brandonjviles | wtf |
| 04:05.06 | taroven | Well, that WAS at like level 28. =P |
| 04:05.11 | taroven | 62ish now. |
| 04:05.21 | brandonjviles | sweet |
| 04:05.24 | brandonjviles | i wanna make a mage |
| 04:05.35 | Jerub | tidy plates + neon theme with threat wheels turned on |
| 04:05.36 | brandonjviles | so bad, got all the heirlooms and everythiing |
| 04:05.46 | Jerub | i love that so much |
| 04:05.48 | Lulia | Well, I guess if you have a link to a place which lists the font file names, that would be neat. Apparently WoWPedia doesnt |
| 04:05.52 | taroven | I do too, but man. All my BOA gear is on another server and I really don't feel like blowing 50 bucks to transfer it,. |
| 04:05.55 | Lulia | At least nowhere that I can find. |
| 04:06.19 | brandonjviles | ummm |
| 04:06.48 | taroven | Got a full set for everything but mail on Boulderfist/Ally, and I just HAD to switch my main server to Deathwing/Horde. |
| 04:07.18 | taroven | Lulia: Hmm... lemme see what I can hunt down. |
| 04:07.20 | Lulia | WoWPedia does show the font folder location is accessed via "Font\\<font name>" |
| 04:07.23 | brandonjviles | C:\Users\Public\Games\World of Warcraft\Fonts dunno if that can help |
| 04:07.28 | Lulia | But since I have no listing of the fonts |
| 04:07.40 | Lulia | I don't know what's available to me, or what the file name of the font is. |
| 04:07.44 | brandonjviles | it has font files in that folder |
| 04:08.11 | taroven | Lulia: http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser/live/FrameXML/Fonts.xml |
| 04:08.28 | Lulia | Thanks |
| 04:14.53 | Lulia | Does WoW use Arial as its default font? |
| 04:15.10 | taroven | For the most part. |
| 04:16.09 | Lulia | heh, I'm using really wordy variables for clarity :-S |
| 04:16.15 | Lulia | local PBGenOptionsFrame = CreateFrame("FRAME", nil, PowerBars.panel); |
| 04:16.30 | Lulia | I guess I could shorten it to PBGenOpt |
| 04:16.34 | Lulia | That's still fairly readable |
| 04:16.40 | Lulia | I need to comment more :-/ |
| 04:16.46 | Mirrormn | I thought WoW generally used FrizQT as default font |
| 04:17.03 | taroven | Mirrormn: *shrug* Dunno. I never really paid much attention to it, tbh. |
| 04:17.16 | Lulia | I see a lot of FrizQT |
| 04:17.19 | Lulia | Which is why I asked. |
| 04:17.29 | Lulia | I'll assume it's FrizQT and see what happens :) |
| 04:17.38 | Mirrormn | whenever I make a FontString, I set it to FrizQT *shrug* |
| 04:17.56 | brandonjviles | Lulia, PeanutButterGenericOption? |
| 04:18.18 | Lulia | :P |
| 04:18.28 | Lulia | Power Bars General Option Frame, dork |
| 04:18.39 | Lulia | Options* |
| 04:18.44 | brandonjviles | oh |
| 04:19.03 | Lulia | wait, you wereb eing serious?? |
| 04:19.17 | brandonjviles | yeah, /srsly |
| 04:19.42 | Lulia | So, is it possible to do heights and widths based on percents? |
| 04:19.47 | brandonjviles | no |
| 04:19.53 | Mirrormn | I got my paycheck today and got $140 more than I thought I would |
| 04:20.01 | brandonjviles | well, maybe if you made a function |
| 04:20.02 | Mirrormn | I need to figure out something fun on which to spend that money |
| 04:20.06 | Lulia | Hmm, seems like what looks fine on my screen might look worse at a lower resolution |
| 04:20.14 | taroven | Lulia: Honestly you could stick with really simple names for local vars, since they're not going anywhere but that file. Makes things easier when you aren't typing the same abbreviation prefix for every frame/variable you're working with. |
| 04:20.16 | Lulia | You can py bills, Mirror! |
| 04:20.31 | Mirrormn | those are already paid with what I thought I would make |
| 04:20.35 | Lulia | Do you like WoW lore, Mirror? |
| 04:20.37 | Mirrormn | $140 is pure disposable income :> |
| 04:20.48 | brandonjviles | but you cant do frame:SetWidth(75%) |
| 04:20.57 | Lulia | You can get The Shattering novel |
| 04:21.03 | Mirrormn | WoW lore? it's all right - they tend to bastardize, rewrite, and retcon it a lot, though |
| 04:21.05 | Lulia | But if you're not a dork like me, I dunno |
| 04:21.10 | brandonjviles | 140- buy lotto tickets! |
| 04:21.14 | taroven | Throw it in savings for a shiny new graphics card or something? |
| 04:21.16 | Lulia | They have to, it's for a game and the game is more important. |
| 04:21.25 | brandonjviles | no buy lotto tickets |
| 04:21.29 | Mirrormn | yeah I was kind of thinking new graphics card |
| 04:21.35 | brandonjviles | skrew that |
| 04:21.42 | Mirrormn | although a new computer chair would be nice too, my chair is like falling apart |
| 04:22.02 | Lulia | computer chairs are nice |
| 04:22.06 | taroven | Mobo myself, if I ever get disposable cash... My GTX260 handles most stuff fine, but goddamn my motherboard and processor suck. |
| 04:22.35 | Lulia | When I can find a job and save up, I'm building a new comp. Mine isn't bad, but I built it sort of cheap since I was strapped. |
| 04:22.46 | Lulia | But since I make vids and other stuff, I could use a decked out comp. |
| 04:22.49 | Mirrormn | I still have a 9800gt |
| 04:22.56 | taroven | Ouchies, Mirrormn. |
| 04:23.01 | Lulia | Building it cheap meant I dont have a lot of room to upgrade it :( |
| 04:23.01 | Mirrormn | paired with a core i7 860 |
| 04:23.13 | taroven | lawl, definitely a new card then. |
| 04:23.22 | brandonjviles | i have ATI Raedon 4650 - doesnt support dx11 :( |
| 04:23.22 | Mirrormn | I spent all my money upgrading processor/mobo/ram and couldn't afford a new graphics card with it :( |
| 04:23.43 | Mirrormn | I was considering one of the new 6000 line amd cards |
| 04:23.55 | taroven | The... GTX460 I think? handles dx11 and has a low pricetag. |
| 04:24.05 | Mirrormn | but they're not that great of a deal really |
| 04:24.19 | Mirrormn | GTX460 is another option yes |
| 04:24.44 | taroven | I'm Nvidia all the way. Had way too many bad experiences with ATI cards. |
| 04:24.55 | brandonjviles | really |
| 04:24.59 | Mirrormn | you can get a 460 768mb for less than $150 |
| 04:25.33 | taroven | For example, the Radeon 4870 that's chilling in a drawer because it would cause OHSHI- moments with my power supply. |
| 04:25.54 | brandonjviles | now that you remind me |
| 04:26.04 | brandonjviles | my 4650 was overheating.. |
| 04:26.11 | brandonjviles | had to replace my whole mobo |
| 04:26.18 | brandonjviles | in a laptop :D |
| 04:26.19 | Lulia | I'm using a Raedon HD 5700 |
| 04:26.46 | taroven | (PSU has is a Corsair 750TX, 60a single rail that has otherwise proven able to handle FAR beyond its rated capacity) |
| 04:26.54 | Mirrormn | the only problem with buying a new gfx card is, even in 25man raids + bloodlust I still get ~25 fps in raids, and I can play SC2 at Ultra no problem, so |
| 04:26.59 | taroven | s/PSU has/PSU/ |
| 04:27.08 | Mirrormn | I don't have any *real* reason to buy a new one, beyond just wanting to buy something cool |
| 04:27.31 | taroven | Yeah, the 9800 is a solid card. |
| 04:27.57 | brandonjviles | go to the stip club? |
| 04:28.18 | brandonjviles | idk, get drunk |
| 04:28.26 | taroven | It's not even really the PSU issue that kills me with ATI cards... I'm a Linux user for the most part. ATI Linux drivers are a joke. |
| 04:28.26 | brandonjviles | what i normally do when i get money |
| 04:28.46 | brandonjviles | yeah also agree with that |
| 04:29.01 | Lulia | Oh. So, can anyone tell me why the game isn't automatically saving the location of my addon frames to the HD when they move via the SetMovable() function or whateveri t's called? |
| 04:29.10 | brandonjviles | although i see new ubuntu has ati drivers for my card, havnt tried wow though |
| 04:29.17 | taroven | "Okay! Got fglrx good to go... WTF WHY IS DIRECT RENDERING NOT WORKING" |
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| 04:30.24 | taroven | Meh, Ubuntu's graphics drivers are horribly outdated. |
| 04:30.42 | brandonjviles | can you even setGfx opengl and run wow? |
| 04:30.50 | taroven | They're still using nvidia version 180 or 190, it's at 230 and a helluva lot more stable these days... |
| 04:30.51 | brandonjviles | or whatever |
| 04:31.00 | taroven | My wine command: |
| 04:31.13 | taroven | padsp wine "/media/HP/Programs/World of Warcraft/Launcher.exe" -opengl |
| 04:31.31 | brandonjviles | what is padsp? |
| 04:31.45 | taroven | Pulseaudio wrapper. |
| 04:32.35 | taroven | I don't actually have sound enabled in wow, I just use the command to prevent it from locking my soundcard. |
| 04:32.45 | taroven | ALSA is such a bitch. |
| 04:33.09 | Arrowmaster | alsa is perfectly fine |
| 04:33.24 | taroven | I know, I know. |
| 04:33.31 | taroven | I just feel like complaining tonight. =P |
| 04:33.36 | amro | pa fails |
| 04:34.05 | brandonjviles | alsa worked fine for me i think, except for the friggin intel generic sound card crap |
| 04:34.15 | brandonjviles | long ago |
| 04:34.22 | taroven | Only problem I've had with pulseaudio lately is that it sometimes doesn't notice my USB headset until I disconnect and plug it back in. |
| 04:34.25 | brandonjviles | intel 810 something |
| 04:34.34 | taroven | Other than that, it's been a joy. |
| 04:35.39 | Jerub | i had it playing all sound as if the speakers were underwater the other day |
| 04:35.42 | Jerub | killing it didn't help either |
| 04:35.44 | Jerub | was upsetting |
| 04:35.47 | Lulia | Quick lua question: can I make optional parameters in my functions? |
| 04:36.19 | taroven | Lulia: local function Foo(bar) if bar then DoStuff end end |
| 04:36.34 | taroven | Params are nil unless provided. |
| 04:36.46 | Lulia | But I can't set my parameters to equal something? |
| 04:36.51 | Lulia | In case the user doesnt set them? |
| 04:37.04 | amro | if not param then param = blah end |
| 04:37.09 | taroven | local bar = bar; if not bar then bar = blah end |
| 04:37.26 | Lulia | function CreateFont(fonttype, fontsize, fontcolor = {1=255, 2=174, 3=0}) |
| 04:37.31 | taroven | or local bar = bar and bar or blah |
| 04:37.44 | taroven | or, shorter, local bar = bar or blah |
| 04:37.45 | Lulia | Can't do that? |
| 04:38.00 | amro | you can pass in a table |
| 04:38.14 | taroven | You can pass a table, but you can't do Python-style defaults the way you're thinking. |
| 04:38.17 | Lulia | But can I set the values of the if table just in case they dont input any? |
| 04:38.20 | Lulia | Alright |
| 04:38.25 | Lulia | I guess I can setup an if statement |
| 04:38.40 | Lulia | if fonttype = nil then fonttype = {} end |
| 04:38.47 | amro | with tables, you can use the shorthand syntax when calling |
| 04:38.53 | Lulia | fontcolor* |
| 04:39.18 | amro | e.g. func{foo=bar} instead of func({foo=bar}) |
| 04:39.23 | taroven | t = {255,174,0}; t[1] == 255 == true |
| 04:39.34 | taroven | That too. |
| 04:39.38 | Lulia | oh, okay. Neat :) |
| 04:40.14 | Lulia | wait, if they dont input a value for fontcolor in my function, will it exist within the function for me to test nil? |
| 04:40.34 | taroven | Want an example? |
| 04:40.59 | Lulia | Well, I mean |
| 04:41.07 | amro | lua> function f(a, b, c) if not c then print("c not passed in") end f(1, 2); |
| 04:41.07 | lua_bot | amro: luabot:1: 'end' expected near '<eof>' |
| 04:41.10 | Lulia | function CreateFont(fonttype, fontsize, fontcolor) if fontcolor == nil then fontcolor = {255,174,0}; end end |
| 04:41.12 | amro | lua> function f(a, b, c) if not c then print("c not passed in") end end f(1, 2); |
| 04:41.13 | lua_bot | amro: c not passed in |
| 04:41.28 | amro | don't compare to nil |
| 04:41.32 | Lulia | Oh |
| 04:41.33 | amro | just do if not fontcolor |
| 04:41.39 | taroven | ^ |
| 04:41.56 | Lulia | thanks :), it's the little details in lua I still have to get used to |
| 04:42.24 | Lulia | I figured making a function for creating the font would help reduce how much I'm typing ;) |
| 04:42.39 | Lulia | Wondering if I should make the function larger to do all of it |
| 04:42.51 | taroven | Definitely does, especially if you're dealing at all with font shadows. |
| 04:43.16 | taroven | Or justification. Or coloring... |
| 04:44.45 | brandonjviles | gn all |
| 04:45.25 | Lulia | night |
| 04:51.46 | Lulia | heh http://paste.wowace.com/2688/ |
| 04:51.53 | Lulia | there's my create font function |
| 04:54.01 | Kraps | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/27401644687/blizzard-favoritism-for-the-horde-part-2/ |
| 04:57.21 | Jerub | alliance get worgen |
| 04:57.24 | Jerub | they can fuck off. |
| 04:58.04 | Lulia | Umm, you can have worgen >.> |
| 04:58.08 | Lulia | We really don't want them |
| 04:58.32 | Kraps | i'm going to make a thread that complains that pizza hut favors pizza over fried chicken |
| 04:58.40 | taroven | Lulia: Make sure you're declaring those variables. |
| 04:58.45 | Kraps | Lulia: speak for yourself |
| 04:59.01 | Lulia | They're all declared, it works perfectly :) |
| 04:59.08 | Lulia | What variables do you mean? |
| 04:59.13 | taroven | Lulia: /run print(fontwidth) |
| 04:59.37 | Lulia | uh |
| 04:59.52 | Lulia | What do you mean? |
| 05:00.01 | Lulia | They're all declared inside the function |
| 05:00.06 | taroven | Parameters are not declarations. |
| 05:00.16 | amro | I'm telling Metzen to write in a truce between gnomes and goblins for the next expansion.... we will join the Horde and see how you like dem apples. Little creatures everywhere rocking your face. |
| 05:00.28 | taroven | local fontjustify = fontjustify or "LEFT" |
| 05:00.30 | Lulia | Right, if they don't get used in the function they're declared through if not var then |
| 05:01.00 | taroven | Correct, but in the function you're declaring variables in the global environment. |
| 05:01.09 | Lulia | Oh |
| 05:01.12 | Lulia | >.> |
| 05:01.23 | Lulia | But I cant make them local in the if statement |
| 05:01.31 | Lulia | It'll disappear once it leaves the if |
| 05:01.33 | taroven | Read up a few lines. |
| 05:01.37 | Lulia | oh |
| 05:01.40 | Lulia | Right! |
| 05:01.42 | taroven | =P |
| 05:01.45 | Lulia | so |
| 05:02.05 | Lulia | local fontjustify = fontjustify or "LEFT", fontwidth = fontwidfth or 100, etc.. ? |
| 05:02.25 | taroven | Correct. Inline conditions are awesome. |
| 05:02.48 | taroven | If you want to do it all on one line... |
| 05:02.50 | Jamash | snzzzz |
| 05:03.07 | Lulia | so I dont even need all those if statements |
| 05:03.18 | Lulia | cries. |
| 05:03.46 | taroven | local fontjustify, fontheight, fontcolor, fontsize, fontstring = fontjustify or "LEFT", fontwidth or 100, fontheight or 12, fontcolor or {255,174,0,1}, fontsize or 12 |
| 05:04.05 | Lulia | that's not very intuitive... |
| 05:04.14 | taroven | Naw, easier to place each variable on its own line. |
| 05:04.36 | taroven | local fontjustify = fontjustify or "LEFT" |
| 05:04.41 | taroven | local fontwidth = fontwidth or 100 |
| 05:04.42 | taroven | etc. |
| 05:04.42 | Lulia | bye bye if statement |
| 05:05.26 | taroven | Lua's inline conditions are great once you get used to them. You can throw complete statements in there as long as you can wrap your head around them. |
| 05:05.52 | Lulia | They seem pretty awesome :) |
| 05:06.55 | taroven | havereq = ((requiredPoints and (currentRank == requiredPoints)) or (not(requiredPoints) and currentRank > 0)) and havereq + 1 or havereq |
| 05:07.09 | taroven | etc, etc. |
| 05:07.27 | taroven | That one can be expressed by something like... |
| 05:08.03 | taroven | Fuckit, I don't feel like typing it. |
| 05:08.17 | taroven | It's a much longer in a statement than inline. |
| 05:08.50 | taroven | s/ a // |
| 05:08.55 | taroven | fml. |
| 05:09.17 | taroven | On that note, it's late and I have to work early. AFK sleep. |
| 05:09.29 | Lulia | Night, thanks for the help. |
| 05:09.37 | taroven | Any time. |
| 05:14.20 | taroven | ...before I go, would just like to point out that Notepad++ under Wine works fabulously and that I can actually program in peace now... |
| 05:14.24 | cogwheel | blames himself in bleeter's general direction |
| 05:17.17 | Kraps | theres too much dev talk in here lately |
| 05:17.27 | Kraps | lets talk about prop 8 |
| 05:19.42 | cogwheel | lua> 19 > 8 |
| 05:19.42 | lua_bot | cogwheel: true |
| 05:20.34 | Kraps | nice one cog |
| 05:20.43 | Kraps | prop 19 then |
| 05:21.05 | Kraps | http://yeson19.com/ |
| 05:21.42 | Kraps | WTB POT PST |
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| 05:24.05 | bleeter | WTF!? Notepad++ under Wine? Someone kickban that guy now. |
| 05:24.34 | Dajova | pfft, PSPad wtf i say :x |
| 05:24.44 | cogwheel | that's like running windows photoshop under parallels... |
| 05:25.31 | taroven | bleeter: Hey now. I like my functionlist and color scheme. Could definitely do without the horrendous windows controls, but I'm too damn used to NPP to care. =P |
| 05:26.17 | bleeter | taroven: emacs or gtfo :P |
| 05:27.26 | taroven | bleeter: Keep meaning to give emacs a shot... |
| 05:29.00 | cogwheel | vi or di |
| 05:29.16 | cogwheel | </troll> |
| 05:29.34 | Kraps | ~seen Thunder_Child |
| 05:29.42 | purl | thunder_child is currently on #wowuidev. Has said a total of 2 messages. Is idling for 1h 26m 53s, last said: 'first*'. |
| 05:29.51 | Amarande | aaaggghhhh are they EVER going to fix this buggy ass quest |
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| 05:29.58 | bleeter | no |
| 05:29.59 | Kraps | Amarande: no |
| 05:30.07 | Amarande | I do this quest on every character, and every time, I have the exact same issue |
| 05:30.17 | bleeter | well don't do the quest then |
| 05:30.19 | Amarande | either I'm told I need the Fire Plume Ridge Lava Lake |
| 05:30.21 | Kraps | you always will |
| 05:30.25 | Kraps | forever |
| 05:30.32 | Amarande | or I'm told that I'm in combat, with a mob I can't defeat because that lake always has 2 evade bugged elementals in it. |
| 05:30.45 | Amarande | Either that, or I'm expected to actually defeat an elemental WHILE STANDING IN THE LAVA. |
| 05:31.04 | Amarande | aright, here we go. |
| 05:31.27 | Amarande | basically, those evade bugged elementals always make it a "guess what spot you can stand!" affair that's totally illogical :| |
| 05:31.56 | Amarande | bleeter: unfortunately, the rewards from that quest are rather unique and useful :) |
| 05:32.11 | Kraps | bugs are not logical |
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| 05:36.54 | Lulia | Tomorrow I get to add.... saved variables and layouts to my addon! |
| 05:36.56 | Lulia | :D |
| 05:37.07 | Lulia | It's not like those are crucial or anything |
| 05:37.19 | Lulia | Everyone loves doing their settings every time they log on! :D |
| 05:37.37 | bleeter | do people log off? |
| 05:37.51 | Lulia | :P |
| 05:38.13 | Lulia | Night guys |
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| 05:55.26 | Cairenn|afk | I'll catch up on emails and PMs and and and .... tomorrow |
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| 06:50.02 | batrick | curse has become the walmart of WoW fansites |
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| 06:55.29 | tekkub | Cairenn|afk: how do we know you're not internetting from a ditch somewhere |
| 06:55.33 | tekkub | that proves nothing |
| 06:55.33 | zenzio | how so batrick? |
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| 06:59.57 | Maldivia | tekkub, or that its really her, and not a hacker/kidnapper trying to throw us off |
| 07:00.31 | bleeter | tekkub: there's only one #wowuidev regular who posts from the ditch... and it's not Cairenn|afk ;) |
| 07:03.12 | tekkub | whatever you are implying, fuck you with a rusty dildo |
| 07:06.12 | unfo- | >> implying metal dildos |
| 07:06.14 | unfo- | man that's hc |
| 07:06.38 | tekkub | s/implying/impaling/ |
| 07:12.19 | Maldivia | maintemance madness...? |
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| 07:14.38 | unfo- | MADNESS?! THIS IS SPARTAAAAAAAAAAA |
| 07:14.56 | unfo- | would've been so much cooler if i could've kicked you >_> |
| 07:17.07 | Fisker | hey tekkubk |
| 07:17.12 | Amarande | Innnnnnteresting. |
| 07:17.31 | Amarande | I just turned in The Call to Command at Bragor, and I get a "quest failed" ding afterwards saying "you don't meet the requirements for that quest." |
| 07:17.46 | Amarande | what quest is that, and why don't I meet the requirements? o.0 |
| 07:17.55 | Fisker | is it a breadcrumb? |
| 07:17.59 | unfo- | they overestimated you and now have reconsidered and you are no longer worthy |
| 07:19.15 | Amarande | Fisker: you get sent on that quest after you do Tirion's quests in the northwest part of EPL |
| 07:19.25 | Fisker | ah |
| 07:19.29 | Amarande | also, the restless souls quest as a hunter is going to be what we call "fun." |
| 07:19.35 | Fisker | according to Wowhead it's because Sylvanas has the quest now |
| 07:19.40 | Amarande | I get to get carried through undead Strat! :) |
| 07:19.51 | Fisker | so i guess it's failing because the followup technically doesn't exist |
| 07:21.10 | Amarande | ok, that followup's definitely a quest to skip and come back for at 80, anyways :) |
| 07:21.29 | Amarande | it's probably the single hardest quest in EPL to solo, and is actually worth LESS xp than most of the other ones. |
| 07:26.19 | Trela | batrick: What do you mean, Walmart of WoW fan sites? |
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| 07:27.20 | unfo- | Trela, buying up other wow-related sites and merging them? |
| 07:27.22 | unfo- | like wowstead |
| 07:27.42 | Trela | WowStead was not merged with any other sites. |
| 07:28.26 | unfo- | well it has merged with curse with regards to user accounts |
| 07:28.44 | Trela | Yeah, that was going to happen eventually. |
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| 08:10.54 | Computerpunk2 | Kaelten: You thar? :3 |
| 08:11.23 | Computerpunk2 | 3AM there, might be sleepin'. |
| 08:11.24 | Computerpunk2 | :< |
| 08:11.28 | Computerpunk2 | Dayum. |
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| 08:12.26 | Torhal | Computerpunk: Not to mention, he just got home from BlizzCon a few hours ago. |
| 08:15.27 | zenzio | have we got pictures yet? |
| 08:15.34 | zenzio | I demand more Cairenn pictures |
| 08:15.45 | zenzio | qucikly, while she's still asleep |
| 08:16.43 | Shirik | bleeter, I didn't make that |
| 08:17.38 | mikma | zenzio: is it worth the ban later? ;) |
| 08:17.53 | zenzio | of course it is! |
| 08:17.59 | mikma | true |
| 08:18.19 | mikma | we always love to see pictures of the redhead |
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| 08:29.15 | Shirik | I love logging into IRC |
| 08:29.20 | Shirik | So many strange people |
| 08:29.21 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/142094-1q2s |
| 08:30.06 | Kalroth | You left out Fisker! |
| 08:30.26 | Shirik | at least Fisker understands |
| 08:30.34 | Shirik | (1) That you write sentences left to right, not top to bottom |
| 08:30.41 | Shirik | and (2) How to write English (mostly) |
| 08:30.55 | Kalroth | I'm sure he'll prove you wrong in a minute! |
| 08:31.06 | Shirik | He will use a po |
| 08:31.16 | Cide | "po" is the funniest thing ever |
| 08:31.28 | Cide | do you consider "peter" and "eter" the same? |
| 08:31.39 | Kalroth | He'll use a purchase order? |
| 08:31.45 | Cide | because that's the difference between "på" and "å" |
| 08:31.52 | Shirik | lol |
| 08:32.04 | Shirik | But I can't call it o! |
| 08:32.20 | Cide | could call it å |
| 08:32.30 | Shirik | Do you have any idea how many keys I have to push for that? |
| 08:33.45 | Cide | like 5? |
| 08:33.51 | Cide | like for any unicode symbol |
| 08:33.57 | Shirik | incorrect |
| 08:34.01 | Maldivia | 1 :) |
| 08:34.05 | Kalroth | Shouldn't it be "pa" instead of "po"? |
| 08:34.12 | Shirik | no, po |
| 08:34.18 | Shirik | I'm on a laptop, Cide, so I have no number pad |
| 08:34.22 | Kalroth | po doesnt make sense if it's på that you mean |
| 08:34.24 | Shirik | and the number row doesn't work the same |
| 08:34.35 | Kalroth | po would make sense if you meant pø(lse) |
| 08:34.36 | Cide | you being handicapped doesn't mean I'll bend over wrt to my language |
| 08:34.40 | Shirik | It's how it's pronounced, Kalroth |
| 08:34.45 | Kalroth | wat |
| 08:35.22 | Kalroth | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%85#Scandinavian_languages |
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| 08:36.03 | Shirik | In Swedish, the long version represents IPA /oË/ |
| 08:36.19 | Kalroth | yes /o:/ |
| 08:36.20 | Shirik | (i) [ o ]Spanish no, French eau |
| 08:36.29 | Shirik | (i) [ oË ]German Boden, French VosgesLong [o]. Somewhat reminiscent of English no. |
| 08:36.39 | Maldivia | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:37.07 | Kalroth | what does it say about Danish and Norwegian?! |
| 08:37.18 | zenzio | oh, Riker... http://celebs.icanhascheezburger.com/2010/10/25/celebrity-pictures-riker-gif/ |
| 08:37.20 | Shirik | it says I'm not talking about Danish and Norwegian!! |
| 08:37.22 | amro | danes don't talk and norwegians are too far away |
| 08:37.36 | Kalroth | [10:30] <Shirik> at least Fisker understands |
| 08:37.36 | Kalroth | [10:31] <Shirik> He will use a po |
| 08:37.41 | Kalroth | Yes you were! |
| 08:38.26 | Shirik | Is he really not sweedish? |
| 08:38.29 | Kalroth | .. |
| 08:38.37 | Shirik | I ONLY KNOW ONE CHARACTER OK?! |
| 08:38.42 | Kalroth | Before 1917 some Norwegian place names could consist of three or four connecting "a"s: for instance Haaa |
| 08:38.46 | Kalroth | haha |
| 08:38.50 | Kalroth | "I live in Haaaaaaaaa" |
| 08:39.04 | Cide | wtf |
| 08:39.10 | Cide | you thought Fisker was swedish like me? |
| 08:39.15 | Shirik | You both use po |
| 08:39.16 | Cide | I'm disappointed |
| 08:39.20 | Kalroth | uh oh, now Cide is mad |
| 08:39.32 | amro | Cide: you didn't see it coming? :P |
| 08:39.36 | Kalroth | To be honest, Fisker is more of a Norwegian |
| 08:39.42 | zenzio | not really about spelling, but I like sentences like "var det det det var" |
| 08:39.54 | Kalroth | zenzio :D |
| 08:40.02 | amro | looks like a bad javascript dialect |
| 08:40.20 | Kalroth | "was it that that it was" |
| 08:40.35 | Shirik | I hate sentences like that |
| 08:40.39 | amro | not like the english one is any better |
| 08:40.46 | Shirik | do you have any idea the amount of complexity that adds to my parser? |
| 08:40.58 | amro | O(you're fucked)? |
| 08:41.00 | Maldivia | zenzio: se så at så |
| 08:41.01 | Shirik | yes |
| 08:41.15 | zenzio | :-o |
| 08:41.54 | Shirik | vandrar på du viddernas man |
| 08:42.28 | Kalroth | Maldivia: "vi kørte i manden der er gift med din søsters bil" |
| 08:43.01 | Maldivia | that doesn't make sense :) |
| 08:43.04 | krka | awsome sentence zenzio :D |
| 08:43.11 | Kalroth | Sure it does |
| 08:43.21 | Dagmar | Are you going to let him talk about your sister like that? |
| 08:43.23 | Maldivia | not without commas :) |
| 08:43.34 | Kalroth | You dont need commas in the Danish language |
| 08:43.37 | krka | Shirik: får får får eller får får lamm? |
| 08:43.45 | zenzio | krka: yeah, and it's funny how depending on the pronunciation, the first two "det"s can be in reverse order |
| 08:43.48 | Shirik | you can actually take an english sentence and then throw in a bunch of å and ø and it becomes norwegian |
| 08:44.23 | Maldivia | but yeah, it's a classic example of the Danish overuse of injecting sentences everywhere :) |
| 08:44.39 | krka | "var det var det var" works too |
| 08:44.51 | zenzio | Maldivia: injections could explain Fisker... |
| 08:45.18 | Maldivia | hehe |
| 08:45.24 | Shirik | what do you mean of "injecting sentences" |
| 08:45.29 | krka | Kalroth: we drove in the man married to your sisters car? |
| 08:45.39 | krka | sounds like a typical danish situation! |
| 08:45.40 | Kalroth | krka: thats one option |
| 08:46.16 | Kalroth | Shirik: Sometimes, while writing one sentence, you might inject another sentence. |
| 08:46.17 | Maldivia | Shirik: sub-sentences basically |
| 08:46.18 | Shirik | Cide, next year you better be at blizzcon |
| 08:46.24 | Cide | I will try |
| 08:46.31 | Shirik | that sounds like an awful idea (@ Kalroth / Maldivia) |
| 08:46.36 | Cide | so I can school you in the proper use of po |
| 08:46.48 | Maldivia | Shirik: don't know what it's called in English, in Danish it's "indskudt sætning" |
| 08:46.48 | Kalroth | It is very, very common here, Shirik |
| 08:46.54 | Cide | ^ I'm totally going to start using po myself |
| 08:47.01 | krka | i poo all the time |
| 08:47.01 | Shirik | in english it's called "stupid" |
| 08:47.01 | Cide | since I have my keyboard set on american by default |
| 08:47.11 | Shirik | :D |
| 08:47.12 | krka | wtf is po? |
| 08:47.20 | Cide | the shirikism of å |
| 08:47.21 | Shirik | å |
| 08:47.22 | zenzio | I think what you meant to say, Shirik, was "English is called stupid" |
| 08:47.45 | Maldivia | Shirik: I think you called it half sentences in English |
| 08:47.50 | Kalroth | krka: "vi kørte i manden der er gift med din søsters bil": the s on 'søster' implies that it is the car of the man that is married to your sister that we're driving in |
| 08:47.57 | amro | Maldivia: I'm going to read that as sataning |
| 08:48.06 | krka | aha! |
| 08:48.18 | krka | vi körde i din systers mans bil! |
| 08:48.39 | Maldivia | well, that's the boring version if it :) |
| 08:48.40 | amro | wait so is it søster or syster? |
| 08:48.43 | Cide | sounds fucked up imo |
| 08:48.47 | krka | depends on the language amro |
| 08:48.49 | Kalroth | Cide: It is |
| 08:48.57 | Shirik | agree with fucked up assertion |
| 08:49.03 | Cide | I thought swedish was wird |
| 08:49.08 | krka | we're starting to get more ambiguity in swedish too these days |
| 08:49.09 | Cide | weird too |
| 08:49.12 | Maldivia | amro: søster in Danish/Norwegian, systen in Sweedish |
| 08:49.16 | Maldivia | syster* |
| 08:49.17 | Cide | only because of the damn youth!! |
| 08:49.19 | krka | people tend to stop using object forms of he/she/it |
| 08:49.22 | Cide | </bitter old man> |
| 08:49.27 | krka | </more bitter> |
| 08:49.29 | Shirik | This sounds like a language my professor needs to learn |
| 08:49.38 | Kalroth | Cide: "Det er logik." sagde manden. SÃ¥ lo han og gik. |
| 08:49.39 | Shirik | he is famous for saying "Oh by the way" before everything |
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| 08:49.43 | amro | now I can make sister jokes in 3 more languages |
| 08:49.46 | Shirik | now he can just start "injecting sentences" everywhere |
| 08:49.52 | Cide | Kalroth: that's funny |
| 08:50.24 | Shirik | (04:49:14) (Kalroth) Cide: "Det er logik." sagde manden. SÃ¥ lo han og gik. |
| 08:50.29 | Shirik | translation necessary |
| 08:50.36 | Maldivia | Shirik: most often, the sentences that are injected, can be taken out again, and the remaining would still make sense |
| 08:50.39 | Cide | ("'that's logic[al]', he said, and smiled (lo) and walked away (gik)") |
| 08:50.42 | krka | the whole lack of object-forms these days give me trouble, since both <subject> <predicate> <object> and <object> <predicate> <subject> are valid sentence structures |
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| 08:51.01 | krka | by using the subject form instead of object form, it's hard to distinguish them |
| 08:51.29 | Shirik | so |
| 08:51.31 | Kalroth | Maldivia: Takker! sagde manden da han satte sig på en rive! |
| 08:51.39 | Shirik | there's a different word form for subject and object? |
| 08:51.43 | Shirik | why can't english have this |
| 08:51.52 | krka | det löser sig nog, sa gubben som sket i badkaret |
| 08:51.58 | Shirik | in fact |
| 08:51.59 | Kalroth | haha |
| 08:51.59 | Cide | logical and "smiled and walked away" are written the same way ('logik' vs 'lo / gik') |
| 08:52.23 | Shirik | why can't we just start speaking in a deterministic language |
| 08:52.29 | krka | Shirik: english does? |
| 08:52.32 | mitch0 | it would be boring |
| 08:52.32 | krka | he -> his |
| 08:52.33 | amro | because we're not all AIs like you |
| 08:52.36 | krka | err |
| 08:52.36 | krka | sorry |
| 08:52.41 | krka | my bad! |
| 08:52.46 | krka | he -> him |
| 08:52.54 | krka | she -> her |
| 08:52.59 | krka | it -> it |
| 08:53.00 | Maldivia | Kalroth: cute :) |
| 08:53.10 | Shirik | oh I see what you're saying now |
| 08:53.19 | Shirik | I was thinking of nouns |
| 08:53.29 | krka | you're always thinking of nuns, you pervert! |
| 08:53.29 | Shirik | not pronouns |
| 08:53.34 | Dajova | Ta dig i brasan o kalla mig jultomten! |
| 08:53.36 | Shirik | >.> |
| 08:53.37 | krka | pro-nuns, that's even worse! |
| 08:53.52 | amro | Shirik: you'd probably love arabic with all the inflections. easy to parse |
| 08:53.56 | Kalroth | amateur-nouns |
| 08:54.01 | krka | det jämnar ut sig, sa gubben som sket på sadeln |
| 08:54.13 | Shirik | I like arabic just because of the line that connects words together |
| 08:54.23 | krka | finnish apply forms for all words, not just pronouns |
| 08:54.26 | Shirik | no need to figure out exactly what a "space" is in handwritten text |
| 08:54.33 | amro | letters* |
| 08:54.34 | krka | afaik, i never learned it |
| 08:54.37 | Shirik | er |
| 08:54.40 | Shirik | yeah that's what I meant |
| 08:55.03 | Shirik | it also makes it more artistic :) |
| 08:55.05 | krka | Shirik: we have that in cursive writing you know |
| 08:55.13 | Shirik | who the fuck uses cursive anymore |
| 08:55.20 | Kalroth | arabs? |
| 08:55.23 | krka | you apparently curse all the time! |
| 08:55.30 | Shirik | >< |
| 08:55.39 | krka | yeah, doesn't arabic have non-cursive forms as well? |
| 08:55.42 | amro | no |
| 08:55.44 | amro | god no |
| 08:55.53 | amro | it's unreadable otherwise |
| 08:56.14 | amro | since you read the shape of words not letter by letter |
| 08:57.06 | amro | what are the odds |
| 08:57.15 | amro | http://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki <- featured article on norway |
| 08:57.49 | zenzio | http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Norway |
| 08:57.59 | zenzio | wait, what? Uncyclopedia is Wikia now? |
| 08:58.55 | amro | it's not supposed to make sense remember |
| 08:59.12 | zenzio | good point |
| 09:00.38 | Shirik | ack |
| 09:00.40 | Shirik | amro |
| 09:00.46 | Shirik | I think I have new messages |
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| 09:00.49 | Shirik | I can't read that |
| 09:01.03 | Shirik | ~x ar en تÙجد ÙدÙ٠رسائ٠جدÙدة (آخر تغÙÙر). |
| 09:01.16 | amro | it says you have new messsages (latest revision) |
| 09:01.17 | Shirik | I don't think purl liked that |
| 09:01.27 | Kalroth | that is so pretty Shirik |
| 09:01.47 | Shirik | someone welcomed me |
| 09:01.48 | Shirik | why |
| 09:02.19 | Shirik | I don't even have any edits there |
| 09:02.26 | amro | I don't know |
| 09:02.40 | amro | I edited there for a while a few years back and was never welcomed |
| 09:02.44 | amro | *sniff* |
| 09:02.52 | Shirik | It probably happened when I visited the site one day and SUL created my account there and then someone was like "OMG NEW USER MUST WELCOME" |
| 09:02.57 | amro | but not doing that again until someone invents a text editing widget that doesn't completely suck at RTL |
| 09:03.30 | amro | also until they make links more sane |
| 09:03.32 | amro | http://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%86%D9%82%D8%A7%D8%B4_%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D8%B3%D8%AA%D8%AE%D8%AF%D9%85:Shirik |
| 09:03.37 | Shirik | lol |
| 09:03.59 | Shirik | link of awesomeness |
| 09:04.02 | amro | http://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/ÙÙاش_اÙÙ
ستخدÙ
/Shirik |
| 09:04.04 | amro | ^ |
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| 09:04.10 | amro | wait |
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| 09:04.12 | amro | I fail |
| 09:04.19 | amro | : instead of / |
| 09:04.25 | amro | but the cursor was jumping all over and confusing me :( |
| 09:04.36 | Shirik | lol |
| 09:05.17 | amro | Shirik: reading the welcome note, it sounds like they've had trouble with users doing stupid shit |
| 09:05.23 | amro | and it basically says don't do stupid shit |
| 09:05.27 | Shirik | lol |
| 09:07.27 | Shirik | what the hell |
| 09:07.33 | Shirik | I had google chrome translate that page |
| 09:07.53 | Shirik | the tabs on the top made sense for most, "View history" "Add a topic" "Read more" |
| 09:07.56 | Shirik | and then there's one more |
| 09:07.57 | cbreak_work | did it say "If you can read this, you don't need glasses"? |
| 09:08.00 | Shirik | "Justice" |
| 09:08.05 | amro | rofl lemme find that |
| 09:08.08 | Shirik | wtf is the Justice tab |
| 09:08.13 | Shirik | this was on my talk page |
| 09:08.14 | amro | OH |
| 09:08.15 | amro | rofl |
| 09:08.16 | zenzio | Shirik: en. needs that too |
| 09:08.17 | amro | I see why |
| 09:08.46 | Shirik | that's the edit tab |
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| 09:09.23 | Shirik | "edit page for great justice"? |
| 09:10.00 | amro | that's because it doesn't have disambiguating tashkil... it says عد٠as in addil "edit", but without tashkil it "looks" the same as adl "justice" |
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| 09:13.04 | Shirik | addil/adl? |
| 09:13.10 | Shirik | I know ADDL |
| 09:13.24 | Shirik | wait |
| 09:13.26 | Shirik | no that's AADL |
| 09:13.41 | amro | hm? |
| 09:13.47 | Shirik | what is addil/adl? |
| 09:13.53 | Shirik | and can I use aadl instead? |
| 09:14.10 | cbreak_work | probably arabic for "footnote" :) |
| 09:14.24 | amro | aadl? sounds like "just" |
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| 09:15.41 | Shirik | aadl is architecture analysis and design language |
| 09:16.43 | amro | there's no page for AADL on arwp, so no |
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| 09:18.44 | Shirik | there really isn't one on enwp either |
| 09:18.51 | Shirik | what's there is crap |
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| 09:19.31 | amro | HuK: Nope, I'm bad, and just I should've expanded earlier. That's it. |
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| 09:25.51 | amro | Shirik: why does it say you haven't been online for a week, quit slacking |
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| 09:29.09 | Shirik | o.o |
| 09:29.20 | Shirik | amusing question on study guide |
| 09:29.28 | Shirik | 1.What made the RDX explosives especially dangerous? |
| 09:29.49 | Shirik | my answer: There were no other good raiding systems developed at the time |
| 09:31.08 | cbreak_work | it was mainly dangerous because it set a precedent that blizzard could not tolerate |
| 09:31.17 | cbreak_work | blizz wants full control |
| 09:31.22 | cbreak_work | about everything |
| 09:31.34 | Cide | joking or bitter much? |
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| 09:41.34 | Shirik | lmao |
| 09:42.59 | Shirik | "I called our radio operator to see if he coculd get us a QDM. He said that everything on the radio was all jammed up, because it seemed that everyone was lost and everybody was short of fuel, but that he would try"..."I just screwed my key down and blocked everybody off the air. After a bit, I unscrewed my key, they were all off since they couldn't get through." |
| 09:43.05 | Shirik | evil man |
| 09:43.46 | Shirik | they shoulda used ventrilo |
| 09:43.53 | amro | nobody but you gets that |
| 09:44.01 | Shirik | what's to get? |
| 09:44.05 | Shirik | It's a radio |
| 09:44.12 | Shirik | one person talks the others listen |
| 09:44.17 | amro | what's a QDM? |
| 09:44.21 | Shirik | oh |
| 09:44.43 | Shirik | it's basically something to guide you home |
| 09:45.01 | amro | oh isn't that shit really old? |
| 09:45.06 | amro | that stupid little compass thing |
| 09:45.13 | amro | or am I thinking of something else entirely |
| 09:45.25 | Shirik | yes very old |
| 09:45.30 | Shirik | this is a book about WWII |
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| 10:13.56 | MoonWitch|Mobile | < checking |
| 10:13.58 | MoonWitch|Mobile | yay |
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| 10:29.46 | Kalroth | you are hot Shirik |
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| 10:34.24 | Fisker | slaps Kalroth around a bit with a large trout |
| 10:34.50 | Kalroth | you are hot Fisker |
| 10:36.16 | Fisker | yay |
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| 10:38.34 | Shirik | Kalroth? o.o |
| 10:38.53 | Kalroth | Topic! |
| 10:39.08 | Shirik | oh |
| 10:42.32 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 10:42.38 | Shirik | are you norwegian? |
| 10:42.45 | zenzelezz | dear god no |
| 10:43.05 | Shirik | so he's not sweedish, not norwegian |
| 10:43.06 | Shirik | wtf is he |
| 10:43.10 | zenzelezz | Danish |
| 10:43.11 | Shirik | danish? |
| 10:43.13 | Shirik | ok |
| 10:43.20 | zenzelezz | you should have known by now :-p |
| 10:43.21 | amro | like most trolls |
| 10:43.31 | Shirik | well to the US that's all one big country |
| 10:43.40 | krka | we know... |
| 10:43.42 | zenzelezz | Fisker is like most warlocks from my guilds... Danish, and drunk-sounding most of the time |
| 10:43.42 | Shirik | There's three countries in the world |
| 10:43.46 | amro | also, l2look at hostmasks |
| 10:43.48 | Shirik | Iraq, the US, and everything else |
| 10:44.05 | Kalroth | Fisker is more Norwegian than Danish, sorry. |
| 10:44.15 | amro | viking fight |
| 10:44.17 | amro | go |
| 10:44.27 | krka | Shirik: this is basically how we view americans :P http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqi0DwNLJdM |
| 10:44.50 | Shirik | This is how we view america: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhnUgAaea4M |
| 10:45.23 | amro | fu krka, now I'm hungry |
| 10:45.55 | Napoleone | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ce8CgJRkr_I&feature=related |
| 10:46.00 | Napoleone | this is how we danish see america |
| 10:46.05 | amro | they get people like that on purpose |
| 10:46.08 | amro | on those shows |
| 10:46.35 | zenzelezz | http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_1QTOfq40XDI/STMT9FQ4i4I/AAAAAAAADyE/xEL4TnUJk3Q/s400/Usa_Vs_Europe.jpg |
| 10:46.39 | amro | not like france where they get these boring accountants and professors on question shows |
| 10:46.42 | amro | and nobody gets anything wrong |
| 10:46.43 | krka | Shirik: slavery - fuck yeah? |
| 10:46.59 | Shirik | watch the whole thing :) |
| 10:47.01 | Shirik | it's amusing |
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| 10:47.58 | krka | i did! |
| 10:48.20 | Shirik | also |
| 10:48.26 | zenzelezz | http://www.exchangestudentworld.com/images/bilder/usa_vs_europe.jpg |
| 10:48.30 | Shirik | I think I saw this episode of "are you smarter" a while ago |
| 10:48.40 | Shirik | I remember the "this might be a stupid question" "I'm guessing it is" |
| 10:51.09 | Napoleone | Shirik with the blonde from the "south" |
| 10:51.15 | Napoleone | is france a country? |
| 10:51.25 | Napoleone | she thought europe was a country |
| 10:52.41 | krka | soon! not quite yet though |
| 10:53.19 | Napoleone | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqi0DwNLJdM |
| 10:54.05 | zenzelezz | Europe will never be a country |
| 10:54.18 | zenzelezz | the EU was an interesting try, but it's so full of trouble |
| 10:54.33 | amro | team usa > team america |
| 10:54.35 | amro | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAuRH0js73E |
| 11:08.33 | Shirik | ok so |
| 11:08.41 | Shirik | Let's take the stereotypical republican |
| 11:08.55 | Shirik | (1) Die-hard american patriot, (2) die-hard christian |
| 11:09.25 | Shirik | Combine this with "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you" or even better yet "thou shalt not kill" |
| 11:09.26 | Fisker | i'm not sure you can't be both |
| 11:09.39 | Shirik | how do these fit together? |
| 11:09.44 | Fisker | or is that can't not be both? |
| 11:09.59 | Shirik | In fact the whole concept of being a christian in the military seems broken |
| 11:10.05 | Shirik | then there's the crusades |
| 11:10.18 | amro | Shirik: not if you're justifying it under "self-defense" |
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| 11:10.44 | Shirik | I don't remember a self-defense exception in the 10 commandments |
| 11:10.49 | unfo- | Shirik, god's command NOW to kill the infidels outranks god's written down everyday commands, silly! |
| 11:11.11 | amro | Shirik: I'm pretty sure christians are allowed to kill someone who's trying to shoot them in the face |
| 11:11.44 | Cide | not by their religion? |
| 11:13.26 | amro | and the ten commandments = jewish, and I'm sure jews don't have any problem with "self-defense" |
| 11:13.31 | amro | (see IDF) |
| 11:14.39 | Xyphoid | translate it as 'do not murder' and you're gold |
| 11:15.31 | Cide | y u do dat? |
| 11:16.26 | amro | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDnaTmGHb1g#t=10m40s |
| 11:16.30 | amro | why can't I stop watching that |
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| 12:02.14 | Jerub | lol |
| 12:02.19 | Jerub | there was no trade spam for shutdown. |
| 12:02.31 | Jerub | so i decided to sell 25 primordial saronite for 500g. |
| 12:02.37 | Jerub | soooo maaany whispers. |
| 12:05.41 | Legorol | you what? that's crazy |
| 12:06.02 | Legorol | why did you have so many in the first place >.< |
| 12:07.10 | Jerub | i didn't |
| 12:07.17 | Jerub | i was just needing to troll to fillt he game |
| 12:07.19 | Jerub | er gap |
| 12:07.27 | Jerub | i did it <90 seconds before shutdown |
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| 12:22.00 | unfo- | is listening to "Lament of the Highborne" by Russell Brower |
| 12:23.06 | Torhal | is listening to "The Whirring of His Computer Fans" by lamplight. |
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| 12:25.48 | haste | is listening to "The Aircon" by Electricity Company |
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| 12:38.39 | Fisker | is listening to "The leafblower" by Dell Inc. |
| 12:39.09 | Fisker | and it's like everything freaking time i mouseover something like a flash ad |
| 12:39.14 | Fisker | every* |
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| 12:42.31 | Elkano | Fisker, get an ad blocker then :P |
| 12:42.40 | alestane | huggles Cairenn|afk. |
| 12:42.45 | Fisker | who says i'm not playing flash games as well Elkano ? |
| 12:42.58 | Fisker | sheephuggling sounds illegal alestane |
| 12:43.07 | Fisker | sleephuggling* |
| 12:43.29 | Elkano | well, mine doesn't block those :P |
| 12:43.37 | Fisker | sedates Cairenn|afk to keep her sleeping for another couple of days |
| 12:43.51 | Fisker | but the fan will still be loud and noisy Elkano :( |
| 12:44.48 | Elkano | mine is fine, too... maybe clean it? |
| 12:45.48 | Fisker | not my laptop Elkano |
| 12:46.14 | Elkano | well, you should have gotten one similar to mine then |
| 12:46.49 | alestane | If that's ALL you did, Fisker, she might actually appreciate that. Gods know she needs the raveled sleeve knitted up right now. |
| 12:51.09 | Kraps | "We're also pleased to announce that for the next two months, Wowpedia will operate completely ad-free" |
| 12:53.55 | mitch0 | like it matters... |
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| 12:59.03 | Kraps | gg noob |
| 12:59.09 | Kraps | # 17:16, 25 October 2010 (diff | hist) User talk:Smokizzy â (âHedley Donovan: new section) |
| 12:59.11 | Kraps | # 17:09, 13 December 2009 (diff | hist) Hedley Donovan â (âPersonal life) |
| 12:59.23 | Wobin | http://twitpic.com/310l51 |
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| 13:01.48 | Kraps | http://www.develop-online.net/news/36173/Steve-Jobs-raged-at-Microsoft-over-game-studio-sale |
| 13:02.09 | amro | wow Kraps, I just beat this protoss after I lost my whole fucking base |
| 13:02.09 | Kraps | hey steve, u madcuzbad? |
| 13:02.09 | Lopeppeppy | snuggles up to sleep with Cairenn. Sedation good! |
| 13:02.12 | amro | and I don't mean a trade |
| 13:02.15 | amro | I started over |
| 13:02.17 | amro | rebuilt from scratch |
| 13:02.25 | amro | and I steamrolled him with MMM |
| 13:02.43 | Kraps | nice |
| 13:02.50 | Thunder_Child | yes Kraps? |
| 13:03.27 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: http://store.steampowered.com/app/42500/ |
| 13:03.54 | Kraps | its best with a joystick though |
| 13:03.57 | alestane | tucks Lopeppeppy in. Sweet dreams! |
| 13:04.29 | Thunder_Child | hmmm....brb |
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| 13:05.02 | Shirik | goes to sleep too bai |
| 13:05.59 | Lopeppeppy | I wish, alestane. It was absolute murder to get out of warm cozy bed this morning in the dark rainy eviltimes. |
| 13:06.33 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: also THQ week |
| 13:06.54 | alestane | It's always harder to get out from under the covers as winter approaches. |
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| 13:08.35 | TC-Away | Kraps: yea, i played that game |
| 13:08.47 | TC-Away | it was interesting, but not for very long |
| 13:08.59 | Kraps | yeah |
| 13:10.12 | Thunder_Child | hmm...when do the deals roll over? |
| 13:10.20 | Thunder_Child | oh, it says. nvm |
| 13:20.15 | alestane | What Flash does to my CPU usage, and sometimes to my HD activity, is really just unbelievable. |
| 13:21.17 | Lopeppeppy | I block it on my home computer by default, and enable selectively. Despises the Flashes! |
| 13:22.28 | alestane | What target market are these people aiming for? http://clientsfromhell.net/post/1399407246/we-love-the-site-we-think-it-is-perfect |
| 13:23.33 | Thunder_Child | ~ping |
| 13:23.33 | purl | ~pong |
| 13:23.40 | Lopeppeppy | Crazed rabbits, alestane? |
| 13:30.20 | amro | hm, do the japanese play on the us bnet server? |
| 13:32.09 | mikma | mikk: ping |
| 13:37.56 | Lopeppeppy | Depends on what type of account they have, maybe, amro? |
| 13:38.32 | amro | yeah but I'm wondering if most go to US |
| 13:38.35 | amro | seeing a lot of japanese names |
| 13:38.42 | alestane | There's no dedicated Japanese regions for any games as far as I know. Japanese seem to play in either US or Oceanic regions, which are frequently the same. |
| 13:42.25 | Elkano | many of my chars have Japanese names, too :/ |
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| 13:44.42 | alestane | There's been a top rogue on Bloodhoof named Mendoukusai since, well, pretty much forever. |
| 13:45.53 | Lopeppeppy | Some people just enjoy cultural-themed names. :) |
| 13:45.59 | Lopeppeppy | pokes fun at alestane, because it's fun! |
| 13:46.55 | amro | Elkano: do you also not speak english? |
| 13:47.06 | alestane | Given my own fair fluency in the language, and its generally unusual popularity in the more "geek" community, I do try not to assume names like that mean anything. |
| 13:47.29 | alestane | Other than "problematic", which is what "Mendoukusai" indicates in Japanese. |
| 13:47.30 | amro | yeah but timing+frequency+they don't speak |
| 13:47.38 | alestane | is poked at. |
| 13:47.39 | Elkano | English is a foreign language for me if that is what you wanted to ask |
| 13:49.15 | amro | me as well |
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| 13:49.37 | alestane | (lit. "reeks of difficulty.") |
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| 13:51.39 | alestane | Heyo, Witchification. |
| 13:52.18 | alestane | Darn, I scared her away. |
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| 13:52.53 | Elkano | well, my warlock is named Kutsûmi, which can be translated as "the beauty of pain" ^^ |
| 13:53.18 | Elkano | and my bankchars simply use the japanese word for bank ^^ |
| 13:53.41 | alestane | Ginkou |
| 13:54.32 | alestane | I don't think I've actually used any Japanese for my WoW characters, which is sort of funny given what a nut I tend to be about the language. |
| 13:55.04 | Elkano | ããã§ããã |
| 13:55.18 | Maldivia | ~wowalert |
| 13:55.19 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
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| 13:57.26 | MoonWitch|Mobile | Ah, finally itÅ ok |
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| 13:58.22 | MoonWitch|Mobile | also : apparently my keyboard is wrong again lol |
| 13:59.03 | MoonWitch|away | is away: Gone away for now |
| 13:59.37 | MoonWitch|Mobile | is back. |
| 13:59.53 | alestane | ã§ããªããã¨ã¯ã¾ã ããããããã¾ãããåå¼·ãããã¨ããããããããã§ããããã«ãªã£ãã¨ãããã¾ãã⦠|
| 14:00.27 | Napoleone | or something like that |
| 14:01.21 | MoonWitch|Mobile | half the chan speaks Japanese :( |
| 14:01.50 | alestane | I wouldn't say that, MoonWitch. |
| 14:02.01 | Jamash | I speak japanese but don't understand it |
| 14:02.02 | alestane | I studied it for two years and lived there for about ten months. |
| 14:02.24 | MoonWitch|Mobile | I can recognize the kanji a little |
| 14:02.26 | MoonWitch|Mobile | that's it |
| 14:02.35 | Jamash | I can recognize that kanji are kanji, does that count? |
| 14:02.41 | MoonWitch|Mobile | other then that, it's a little romanji |
| 14:02.50 | MoonWitch|Mobile | stuff like Dou shitteru? |
| 14:03.06 | MoonWitch|Mobile | or Ichi ritoru no namida (title of a drama series) |
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| 14:04.42 | MoonWitch|Mobile | oh and amro, i think it was you who recommended KDE, thanks - you were indeed right. Its come a long way since the day I tried it last :P |
| 14:05.10 | MoonWitch|Mobile | just wish my laptop didnt have the graphics card issue in Linux :( |
| 14:05.20 | Jamash | XFCE > KDE |
| 14:06.20 | MoonWitch|Mobile | on a laptop XFCE isn that handy |
| 14:06.28 | MoonWitch|Mobile | but on my desktop -- sure :) |
| 14:06.30 | Jamash | why not? I use it on mine |
| 14:06.45 | MoonWitch|Mobile | personal issues with the touchpad and rightclick stuff :P |
| 14:06.57 | Jamash | ah, I use a mouse with my laptop |
| 14:07.44 | amro | xfce does not have the same design goals as kde |
| 14:07.51 | amro | no point in comparing at all |
| 14:08.13 | Jamash | this is the internet, invalid comparisons are our stock in trade |
| 14:08.35 | MoonWitch|Mobile | all I need is to find a way that Linux will only see the on board graphics card, while in Windows I can choose ... |
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| 14:09.53 | Jamash | for example, the month of july is superior to morris dancing |
| 14:10.22 | MoonWitch|Mobile | in ubuntu the damn thing causes no xserver, in Fedora I get kernel crashes in the nouveau drivers every 15 min |
| 14:10.42 | MoonWitch|Mobile | anyhow, back to sanding down walls |
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| 14:13.22 | DWSR | hai foxlit! |
| 14:13.30 | foxlit | hi? |
| 14:13.40 | DWSR | Can has openid with ma wowpediaz? |
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| 14:18.08 | mikma | wobin: http://www.geekologie.com/2010/10/look_out_tie_roller_coming_thr.php |
| 14:18.38 | Ackis | DWSR: #wowpedia |
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| 14:25.49 | Wobin | http://www.iwatchstuff.com/2010/10/guess_what_uwe_boll_is_spendin.php |
| 14:25.50 | Wobin | oh god |
| 14:27.21 | TC-Away | lol |
| 14:27.35 | Wobin | also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpG510rBqww |
| 14:28.11 | Wobin | I thought this came out ages ago |
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| 14:40.19 | Jamash | lua> local t = { func = function(self, x) return 3 * x end }; local s = "func"; print(t[s]:(7)) |
| 14:40.19 | lua_bot | Jamash: luabot:1: '<name>' expected near '(' |
| 14:40.22 | Jamash | :( |
| 14:41.18 | Jamash | lua> local t = { func = function(self, x) return 3 * x end }; local s = "func"; local f = t[s]; print(f:(7)) |
| 14:41.18 | lua_bot | Jamash: luabot:1: '<name>' expected near '(' |
| 14:41.20 | DarthAndroid_ | lua> local t = { func = function(self, x) return 3 * x end }; local s = "func"; print(t[s](7)) |
| 14:41.20 | lua_bot | DarthAndroid_: luabot:1: attempt to perform arithmetic on local 'x' (a nil value) |
| 14:41.29 | Cide | stop the fail |
| 14:41.42 | Jamash | derp derp |
| 14:41.55 | DarthAndroid_ | Would work: local t = { func = function(self, x) return 3 * x end }; local s = "func"; print(t[s](t,7)) |
| 14:42.04 | Jamash | yeah I guess that's what I want |
| 14:42.28 | Jamash | oh I'm trying to call a method on the function |
| 14:42.33 | Jamash | derrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrp |
| 14:44.14 | Ackis | lua> print("\80\101\110\105\115") |
| 14:44.14 | lua_bot | Ackis: Penis |
| 14:44.21 | Ackis | I'm matture |
| 14:44.33 | DarthAndroid_ | At least your not claiming to be mature. |
| 14:44.37 | Jamash | rated m for embarrassing |
| 14:45.39 | DarthAndroid_ | bbl class |
| 14:47.10 | Ackis | how long til virtual ticket holders get their goodies? |
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| 14:48.44 | amro | you're* |
| 14:49.03 | amro | Ackis: couple of weeks I heard |
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| 14:50.02 | MoonWitch|Mobile | well I just screwed over my win install lol |
| 14:50.33 | MoonWitch|Mobile | strangely by installing KDE (honestly, never heard of installing a window manager that mods your bootloader though) |
| 14:51.35 | foxlit | Kaelten: pull for an unrelated issue :) |
| 14:52.38 | Kaelten | critical hits foxlit for 9999 damage |
| 14:52.51 | foxlit | evade-heals to 100% hp |
| 14:53.06 | taroven | MoonWitch|Mobile: Eep. I've accidentally reformatted my Windows partition before during Linux installs... But never from installing KDE. o.0 |
| 14:53.06 | Kaelten | damnit stop that |
| 14:53.10 | Kaelten | sup? |
| 14:53.39 | mikma | kaelten: approve my addon while you are here |
| 14:53.53 | MoonWitch|Mobile | taroven: I actually had installed Fedora prior.. It worked fine in conjunction with Windows 7. Last night, after a week of no issues with the dual boot, I installed KDE |
| 14:54.06 | MoonWitch|Mobile | but thank you for your condescending reply there. |
| 14:54.49 | MoonWitch|Mobile | also, both NTFS partitions are perfectly ok, it's only the MBR that's being ignorant. And this due to installing KickStart |
| 14:54.50 | taroven | MoonWitch|Mobile: Wasn't trying to be condescending in the slightest. I feel your pain. |
| 14:56.01 | Kaelten | don't see anything in the queue for you |
| 14:56.32 | mikma | for who you |
| 14:56.51 | mikma | http://www.iwatchstuff.com/2010/10/colin_farrell_might_be_the_new.php |
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| 15:11.28 | Cide | in what amount of time do the us realms usually come up? |
| 15:11.32 | Cide | it's been too long since I played on us |
| 15:12.04 | alestane | Usually 11am Pacific Time. |
| 15:12.13 | alestane | That is, in three hours or so. |
| 15:12.16 | nevcairiel | maint goes until 11am, doesnt it? that would be, like, 8pm CEST |
| 15:12.25 | Cide | thanks |
| 15:12.46 | Cide | amount of time > timezones |
| 15:12.53 | Cide | because timezones require conversion |
| 15:13.07 | nevcairiel | just remember your local offset to blizzard time |
| 15:13.14 | Cide | too lazy |
| 15:13.29 | DarthAndroid_ | just live in blizzard time |
| 15:13.35 | Cide | too awesome |
| 15:16.13 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: get any new releases today? |
| 15:21.20 | cog|work | RAWR |
| 15:21.26 | DarthAndroid_ | RAWRS |
| 15:22.45 | Ackis | cog|work: COG|HAIRY |
| 15:22.57 | cog|work | Ackis: http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/ |
| 15:23.16 | Ackis | no u |
| 15:23.24 | Ackis | I saw your facebook pics you hairy monkey! |
| 15:23.40 | sylvanaar_work | lol |
| 15:24.15 | cog|work | ooga booga |
| 15:24.33 | cog|work | is pwned by tuesday |
| 15:25.03 | sylvanaar_work | that chart is pretty damning |
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| 15:25.28 | nevcairiel | and its from the nasa, it must be right! |
| 15:25.35 | sylvanaar_work | !! |
| 15:25.45 | DarthAndroid_ | Whatever will we do? |
| 15:25.46 | Ackis | I'm calling BS on the chart |
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| 15:26.42 | Ackis | the world ends in a couple years, so I say party |
| 15:27.19 | DarthAndroid_ | What do you think the we've been doing since day 1? :P |
| 15:29.06 | cog|work | parties like it's 1999999999 BCE |
| 15:31.02 | Ackis | fuck you can't compelte "Insane in the Membrane" in Cataclysm :( |
| 15:31.17 | DarthAndroid_ | Best get on that now then :P |
| 15:31.26 | Lopeppeppy | I think that was on the list of "things to do before Cata", yes. |
| 15:31.36 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: do you know what parts of it are being removed? |
| 15:31.42 | DarthAndroid_ | pirates |
| 15:31.44 | DarthAndroid_ | for one |
| 15:31.48 | Ackis | I've been on the last faction for about an entire expansion now |
| 15:31.56 | DarthAndroid_ | bloodsail are going byebye |
| 15:31.58 | alestane | ZG is going away. |
| 15:32.03 | Ackis | needs about 750 junkboxes. |
| 15:32.05 | amro | Ackis: the parts you haven't done |
| 15:32.11 | Ackis | amro: h8 u |
| 15:32.15 | amro | <3 |
| 15:33.03 | Ackis | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-reputation.xml?r=Thunderlord&cn=Ackis&gn=Corrupt |
| 15:33.32 | Lopeppeppy | Look up "to do before Cataclysm" there are tons of check off lists out there, Ackis. |
| 15:33.37 | Ackis | I actually need 815 junkboxes |
| 15:33.46 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: where? official forumz? |
| 15:34.04 | Lopeppeppy | I forget. The link is on my home computer, not here, sorry. Go with google. |
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| 15:34.26 | Ackis | cog|work: do you know where the list of things to do before Cataclysm is? |
| 15:34.26 | Ackis | :D |
| 15:34.44 | Ackis | hides |
| 15:35.07 | Lopeppeppy | smacks Ackis. Bad code monkey. |
| 15:35.56 | Ackis | google is coming up with wishlists not facts |
| 15:36.38 | TC-Work | ~seen KSB |
| 15:36.46 | purl | i haven't seen 'ksb', TC-Work |
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| 15:37.00 | Lopeppeppy | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=10868057669&pageNo=2&sid=1#21 |
| 15:37.00 | TC-Work | well, that guy is an idiot anyway |
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| 15:38.09 | Lopeppeppy | I know there was something on the WoW forums that I bookmarked, so it's out there. |
| 15:38.58 | Ackis | yeah I'm sure one exists but the google is only showing me lame results |
| 15:40.30 | taroven | Huh. I have a whole new respect for gmusicbrowser. |
| 15:41.04 | taroven | Didn't realize the names of artist/album/song were clickable for quick playlist access without having the browser up. |
| 15:41.59 | zenzelezz | so "Deathspank" is available on Steam... sounds like a snuff game |
| 15:42.07 | TC-Work | i was looking at that |
| 15:42.11 | TC-Work | seemed interesting |
| 15:42.36 | Arrowmaster | Ackis: no |
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| 15:45.56 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: can you send it to me when you get home? I'm really not finding anything |
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| 15:47.44 | zenzelezz | http://www.vg.no/uploaded/image/bilderigg/2010/10/26/1288087099338_754.jpg - if you park like this, you're not going to convince anyone you were driving sober |
| 15:47.45 | Lopeppeppy | If I remember, I will. I know I bookmarked it back when I could still play WoW, before the patch that's too big *grumble mutter* |
| 15:48.02 | Jamash | mumble grutter |
| 15:48.20 | Jamash | Lopeppeppy: are you on dialup? |
| 15:48.48 | alestane | Couldn't make any room, Lopeppeppy? |
| 15:49.03 | alestane | Too big to install, Jamash, not too big to download. |
| 15:49.07 | Lopeppeppy | Haven't had a chance yet, alestane. |
| 15:49.09 | Jamash | oh |
| 15:49.18 | Jamash | here's a nickel, buy a bigger hard drive |
| 15:49.31 | Lopeppeppy | Here's a quarter, install it in my laptop for me. |
| 15:49.38 | Jamash | okay |
| 15:49.47 | Jamash | you'll have to come to indiana though |
| 15:49.55 | Jamash | I don't do out of state on-site service |
| 15:50.08 | amro | it's atrap |
| 15:50.19 | Lopeppeppy | 19G should be PLENTY of drive space. |
| 15:50.29 | amro | it is |
| 15:50.40 | Jamash | anything less than 500GB cramps my style |
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| 15:50.51 | Lopeppeppy | I think that's how much I can free up, amro, once I sit down and delete PTRs and stuff. |
| 15:51.01 | Jamash | oh yeah |
| 15:51.28 | Arrowmaster | ive got steam, wow, and sc2 installed on a 50gb partition and i cant update wow if i could play it |
| 15:51.36 | Jamash | ouch |
| 15:51.57 | amro | wow takes up a ridiculous amount of space now |
| 15:52.05 | amro | fresh 4.0.1 install, 22GB |
| 15:52.08 | zenzelezz | 50 GB partition? I don't recall when my games partition was that small |
| 15:52.30 | Lopeppeppy | 22G, gotcha, amro. And it will be a fresh install, oh yes. |
| 15:52.42 | zenzelezz | amro: at least (I think) WoW was smaller initially. Age of Conan at release seemed to be around 16 GB |
| 15:52.44 | durcyn | let's see, my game array is... 2TB, and only half full. |
| 15:52.50 | DarthAndroid_ | I recently had to upgrade my games partition >.> |
| 15:52.58 | Jamash | my steam folder alone is 63GB |
| 15:52.58 | amro | at release wow was about 6gb |
| 15:53.08 | amro | each expansion adds that much it seems |
| 15:53.18 | DarthAndroid_ | Jamash: my steam folder is like 420gb >.> |
| 15:53.31 | Jamash | jesus h christ do you work for valve? |
| 15:53.42 | zenzelezz | my partitions are Windows (25 GB), games (465 GB - which was all that was left on one HDD), apps (25 GB), downloads and files (882 GB) |
| 15:53.48 | Elkano | well, we got two new continents and tons of instances... and lots of new items |
| 15:53.49 | DarthAndroid_ | no, but <3 christmas in july and christmas |
| 15:54.08 | Ackis | http://www.steamcalculator.com/id/Ackis |
| 15:54.21 | Jamash | huh |
| 15:54.28 | zenzelezz | Ackis: interesting site |
| 15:54.35 | Jamash | http://www.steamcalculator.com/id/Mooninaut |
| 15:55.37 | Jamash | Ackis: And how many of those games have you actually played? |
| 15:55.54 | DarthAndroid_ | awr, and my account is private :( |
| 15:55.57 | durcyn | d:\games\steam: 837GiB |
| 15:56.01 | durcyn | man. |
| 15:56.01 | Ackis | Jamash: no idea |
| 15:56.10 | zenzelezz | can't seem to get that site to work on my Steam account |
| 15:56.21 | Jamash | you have to have set up a public profile |
| 15:57.44 | zenzelezz | my settings say my profile is public |
| 15:59.35 | Jamash | IDK |
| 15:59.43 | zenzelezz | hardly matters, just confuses me |
| 16:00.08 | zenzelezz | when I use the 17-digit ID it shows a result, but with 0 games, "member since 1970-01-01" |
| 16:01.29 | DarthAndroid_ | there we go |
| 16:01.33 | DarthAndroid_ | http://www.steamcalculator.com/id/darthandroid |
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| 16:01.49 | zenzelezz | huh, worked once I set up a custom URL |
| 16:02.15 | zenzelezz | http://www.steamcalculator.com/id/zenzelezz - "$1247.38 USD" o_O Except most of them were bought as big, cheap bundles |
| 16:02.32 | TC-Work | is it just me or is that column heading supposed to read Running Total |
| 16:02.38 | TC-Work | not Total Running |
| 16:03.28 | zenzelezz | "Steam member since: 2009-02-13"... that can't be right... I must have two Steam accounts or something, I know I had to sign up when Half-Life 2 was released |
| 16:03.51 | zenzelezz | TC-Work: yeah, that seems to be reversed |
| 16:04.33 | TC-Work | also, that site doesnt allow for buying when it's on sale |
| 16:04.35 | DarthAndroid_ | TC-Work: both are correct |
| 16:04.40 | DarthAndroid_ | and yes |
| 16:05.01 | DarthAndroid_ | 90% of those games are where I bought entire developer catalogs for $30 or $50 |
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| 16:05.24 | DarthAndroid_ | but I don't think it can track that |
| 16:06.01 | zenzelezz | Steam could, but that site I imagine has no access to order history :) |
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| 16:06.31 | TC-Work | DarthAndroid_: i can not find anywhere that 'total running' is correct |
| 16:11.39 | Jamash | so I'm level 81 on beta, and I just did a northrend archaeological dig, and I got 33,240 xp |
| 16:13.37 | DWSR | lolwat? |
| 16:13.39 | Jamash | that's fairly insane |
| 16:14.09 | Legorol | Have the patchnotes for the today's minipatch been released already somewhere that I haven't found yet? |
| 16:14.37 | Jamash | I haven't seen them |
| 16:15.05 | nevcairiel | my guess is there arent any useful notes |
| 16:15.28 | Arrowmaster | afk tornado |
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| 16:15.53 | harl|LieToMe | so.. when someone says that a drink should be "virgin" that someone means that it's supposed to contain no alcohol? is that it? |
| 16:15.54 | Lopeppeppy | ... |
| 16:15.56 | TC-Work | Arrowmaster: WTB |
| 16:16.08 | Lopeppeppy | harl|LieToMe, yes, that's the code word for "non-alcoholic version" |
| 16:16.10 | Arrowmaster | just kidding, its just a tornado watch and high wind warning |
| 16:16.14 | harl|LieToMe | ok. thanks. |
| 16:16.21 | Arrowmaster | most of the storm is north of me |
| 16:16.22 | TC-Work | still WTB |
| 16:16.46 | Jamash | harl|LieToMe: the origin is from bloody mary -> virgin mary |
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| 16:17.04 | Jamash | ha ha ha it's funny you see |
| 16:18.07 | harl|LieToMe | i see, strange context. still, thanks for pointing out. |
| 16:19.03 | Jamash | so three finds per dig site: nearly 100k xp for following the pointing scope |
| 16:19.27 | Jamash | screw questing, I'ma level up with archaeology |
| 16:19.47 | Lopeppeppy | Woot, archaeology. |
| 16:20.44 | durcyn | isn't the xp cranked up just for beta |
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| 16:21.30 | Maldivia | hmm |
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| 16:21.34 | Jamash | beats me |
| 16:21.35 | syrae | unknown |
| 16:21.45 | syrae | The gathering XP seems stupid high |
| 16:21.55 | Jamash | how much on beta? |
| 16:22.03 | Jamash | I was getting 5k per herb at level 79 on live |
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| 16:22.33 | TC-Work | yea, but dont you also need a retarded amount of XP anyway? |
| 16:22.38 | syrae | I don't know on mining. Archeology was insane, though |
| 16:22.54 | Jamash | I dunno, at 81 and I only need 2M xp for 82 |
| 16:23.14 | nevcairiel | the amount of xp for leveling is actually quite low |
| 16:23.17 | syrae | I know that I did the very first zone in Vashj'ir last night and I got to 81. |
| 16:23.18 | Jamash | yeah |
| 16:23.28 | syrae | + three archeology nodes |
| 16:23.55 | Floo | why there is not a tremove global in luabot? |
| 16:24.08 | nevcairiel | use table.remove, all the same thing |
| 16:24.09 | durcyn | because it's table.remove |
| 16:25.15 | Floo | ok this works |
| 16:25.30 | Floo | then why t:remove dont works? t is table |
| 16:26.30 | Maldivia | because the methods are not on _every_ table, only the table called "table" |
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| 16:29.33 | durcyn | Maldivia: uh, what |
| 16:30.09 | Maldivia | durcyn: the table.* functions are only on "table", and not every table |
| 16:30.25 | Maldivia | durcyn: as opposed to string.* functions being on all strings |
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| 16:30.51 | durcyn | oh, right. the way you phrased it threw me. |
| 16:31.51 | Maldivia | that the problem with having a variable and type with the same name :) |
| 16:35.11 | Jamash | so if I can dig in northrend with 1 skill in archaeology, what's the benefit in skilling up? |
| 16:35.46 | Maldivia | well, you shouldn't be able to dig in northrend with 1 skill |
| 16:35.48 | DWSR | Jamash: I believe you gain more experience and better items if you have a higher skill. |
| 16:35.51 | DWSR | Maldivia: You can. |
| 16:36.05 | Maldivia | DWSR: well, they said you shouldn't |
| 16:36.10 | Maldivia | be able to, that is |
| 16:36.22 | DWSR | they said it's like Fishing, iirc. |
| 16:36.25 | TC-Work | because you only get garbage at the low levels |
| 16:36.29 | TC-Work | iirc |
| 16:36.40 | Jamash | ah |
| 16:37.04 | Jamash | Maldivia: it's intended, you're not supposed to have to go back to durotar to skill up archaeology |
| 16:37.31 | TC-Work | "The number of zones and continents you can find dig sites depends on your Archaeology skill and your character level. A level 80 player will see 16 dig sites, 4 each continent, but a level 30 player will only see 8, 4 in Kalimdor and 4 in Eastern Kingdoms and in zones which are between level 25-35." |
| 16:37.42 | TC-Work | stuff like that |
| 16:38.04 | TC-Work | although "These dig sites are player-specific, and so does the objects you dig out, you don't have to worry about competition. Nobody can see your nodes besides you." makes me very very happy |
| 16:39.39 | Jamash | yes |
| 16:39.51 | Maldivia | why not copy-paste something that's relevant to this, for instance: "Some races are only available on some continents (such as orc and draenei on Outland). You need to have a minimum character level and a minimum archaeology level to use these. Currently you can see them if you are a certain character level but can't gather from them until your archaeology skill is higher. For Outland, the skill is 300. " |
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| 16:41.17 | Floo | is there way to remove entry in non-array table? |
| 16:41.25 | Cide | DUDE |
| 16:41.29 | Cide | oh |
| 16:41.30 | Cide | wait |
| 16:41.38 | TC-Work | wrong person Cide |
| 16:41.41 | Cide | nope |
| 16:41.42 | Maldivia | table[entry] = nil |
| 16:41.47 | Cide | you can't escape me you lazy fucking lazy fuck |
| 16:41.53 | Cide | Username: Flowy@91.148.3.223 |
| 16:42.15 | Maldivia | and may I suggest you go read up on lua |
| 16:42.16 | Floo | Maldivia I mean to remove the "entry" |
| 16:42.17 | Cide | read. programming. in. lua. |
| 16:42.36 | Maldivia | Floo: here http://www.lua.org/pil/ |
| 16:42.39 | TC-Work | Cide: i'm laughing so hard right now |
| 16:43.06 | Ackis | cide kinda scares me |
| 16:43.06 | Cide | my intuitivity never fails me |
| 16:43.12 | Cide | err |
| 16:43.25 | Cide | that's not the word I'm looking for |
| 16:43.27 | Cide | oh well |
| 16:43.41 | Cide | my awesomeness never fails me in any case |
| 16:43.50 | durcyn | intuition |
| 16:43.54 | Cide | that's the one |
| 16:43.56 | durcyn | much like your vocabulary |
| 16:43.58 | Cide | thanks |
| 16:44.17 | Cide | my vocabulary has been uncooperative lately |
| 16:44.42 | Floo | Maldivia saiyng "no" is easier than typing a link |
| 16:44.43 | Jamash | ok but why can I gather in northrend then? |
| 16:44.58 | TC-Work | Floo: it's the wonle feed a man a fish thing |
| 16:45.01 | TC-Work | whole* |
| 16:45.11 | TC-Work | Jamash: beta testing? |
| 16:45.11 | Cide | Floo: repeatedly telling you stuff that's in that page is harder than typing a link |
| 16:45.19 | Cide | READ THE FUCKING PAGE YOU LAZY FUCK |
| 16:45.30 | TC-Work | Jamash: do you actually get anything? |
| 16:45.34 | Cide | we've stated it at least 20 times |
| 16:45.39 | Cide | and you changed your name to circumvent my rage |
| 16:45.40 | Maldivia | Floo: I gave you the answer, you didn't believe me, then I linked you the page where you can find it yourself... |
| 16:45.50 | Cide | don't bother |
| 16:45.50 | nevcairiel | You cannot escape the wrath of Cide |
| 16:45.57 | Cide | he's been asking similar things for about a week |
| 16:46.02 | Cide | 10 times a day |
| 16:46.03 | Floo | Cide you think that if I want to change name then I use a registered one? |
| 16:46.17 | Cide | I have no idea what the hell you're talking about |
| 16:46.22 | TC-Work | err...english please? |
| 16:46.24 | nevcairiel | It was pretty obvious to me from the time i read his name that its him |
| 16:46.35 | nevcairiel | its similar enough |
| 16:46.37 | Cide | it was pretty obvious to me the first time he spoke |
| 16:46.38 | Cide | or rather |
| 16:46.44 | Cide | the first time he asked yet another question |
| 16:46.51 | Cide | that's easily answerable by reading that page |
| 16:46.57 | Jamash | write a bot script |
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| 16:47.07 | Cide | I'm close enough |
| 16:47.08 | TC-Work | thats Shirik's perview |
| 16:47.15 | Jamash | that any time Floo says anything it sends a private message telling him to read PiL |
| 16:47.37 | TC-Work | dont make it private |
| 16:47.38 | Cide | I'm set on that already |
| 16:47.43 | Cide | only I do it publically |
| 16:47.44 | Maldivia | WHAT!... stupid stupid launcher! |
| 16:47.57 | Cide | Maldivia: www.lua.org/pil |
| 16:48.06 | Cide | whoops, miscalibrated |
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| 16:48.18 | nevcairiel | Maldivia: what did it do? |
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| 16:48.56 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: the tiny patch today caused it to clear the entide data/cache folder, so it's now recreating 10gb cache data |
| 16:49.02 | Jamash | rad |
| 16:49.11 | nevcairiel | patches clearing out cache sounds like a smart idea |
| 16:49.15 | Jamash | what the hell is the cache for anyway |
| 16:49.16 | Lopeppeppy | ... uncoolness. |
| 16:49.31 | DarthAndroid_ | Jamash: optimization |
| 16:49.34 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: yeah, but the cache is versioned, so it's recreating the exact same data that it cleared |
| 16:49.37 | sylvanaar_work | someone on the beta forums was saying that one of the bosses in stonecore was skippable...anyone know if thats true and which one it is |
| 16:49.51 | Maldivia | sylvanaar_work: the last one :) |
| 16:49.54 | sylvanaar_work | haha |
| 16:49.54 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 16:50.01 | sylvanaar_work | really? |
| 16:50.22 | nevcairiel | Just from the map, they all seem to sit directly in your way |
| 16:50.26 | sylvanaar_work | yeah |
| 16:50.42 | Maldivia | you can probably run by the dragon, if you hug the wall |
| 16:50.45 | sylvanaar_work | i just did it this mornign and it didnt seem like you could get around any of them |
| 16:51.10 | sylvanaar_work | id like to skip the first one |
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| 16:51.46 | Lunessa | STATION! |
| 16:52.03 | nicoli_s | anyone watch the new zombie show Dead Set last night? |
| 16:52.44 | Jamash | dig dig dig dig dig dig dig |
| 16:52.49 | Jamash | fragmentphone |
| 16:53.15 | Maldivia | nicoli_s: you mean the series from 2008, that's they are showing now in the US for halloween ? |
| 16:53.57 | Maldivia | about a BB house and a zombie attack ? |
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| 16:55.05 | foxlit | Heh, fun 1v1 |
| 16:57.09 | nicoli_s | yeah that pone |
| 16:57.12 | nicoli_s | didnt know it was old |
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| 16:58.06 | Dajova | howdy |
| 16:58.34 | cog|work | no u? |
| 16:58.42 | Dajova | nou |
| 16:58.52 | Maldivia | nicoli_s: well, on sunday Walking Dead starts :) |
| 16:58.57 | nicoli_s | hell yeah |
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| 16:59.26 | Dajova | if IsAddOnLoaded("TotemTimers") or IsAddOnLoaded("Yata") or IsAddOnLoaded("TotemManager") then return end <--- why doesn't that work? :) |
| 16:59.48 | DarthAndroid_ | because it does? |
| 16:59.53 | DarthAndroid_ | what're you trying to do? |
| 16:59.58 | Dajova | it doesnt for me :( |
| 17:00.12 | DarthAndroid_ | oh |
| 17:00.17 | DarthAndroid_ | in your .toc |
| 17:00.19 | Dajova | well, for my totem script, i was it to automaticly hide if i have either of those installed |
| 17:00.26 | Dajova | *want |
| 17:00.33 | DarthAndroid_ | add ## OptionalReqs: TotemTimers, Yata, TotemManager |
| 17:00.37 | DarthAndroid_ | or whatever the format is |
| 17:00.41 | Maldivia | Dajova: well, are you sure any of those addons are loaded befire yours |
| 17:00.47 | Dajova | ah right... |
| 17:00.54 | Dajova | hate u xD |
| 17:00.57 | Maldivia | what's the name of your addon ? |
| 17:01.06 | Dajova | its a Tukui edit |
| 17:01.11 | DarthAndroid_ | Maldivia: it's not always alphabetical |
| 17:01.22 | DarthAndroid_ | I had issues where DXE was loading before "TelUI" :P |
| 17:01.31 | DarthAndroid_ | err |
| 17:01.34 | amro | register for ADDON_LOADED |
| 17:01.34 | DarthAndroid_ | other way around |
| 17:01.39 | amro | wait for them to load |
| 17:01.43 | nevcairiel | it is alphabetical on windows |
| 17:01.45 | Floo | . |
| 17:01.47 | nevcairiel | might screw up on other systems |
| 17:01.57 | DarthAndroid_ | on windows 7, it's not always alphabetical :P |
| 17:01.59 | amro | nevcairiel: the only other system you mean? :P |
| 17:02.08 | nevcairiel | amro: people run stuff on linux too |
| 17:02.14 | DarthAndroid_ | once you throw dependancies in the mix, it gets all crazy |
| 17:02.25 | amro | nevcairiel: yes, I do, and it behaves exactly like on windows |
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| 17:09.42 | Dajova | hmm... this is very odd |
| 17:10.14 | Dajova | i have tried to both register the event and setting it as a optimal deps... neither seems to work :S |
| 17:10.54 | Maldivia | if you set as opt dep, then you probabæy need to restart the client |
| 17:11.19 | Torhal | Dajova: It's ## OptionalDeps: TotemTimers, Yata, TotemManager |
| 17:12.33 | Dajova | already have it added |
| 17:12.48 | Dajova | still wont work, even after a restart -.- |
| 17:14.59 | Maldivia | hmm, why didn't they fix launcher sound while patching :/ |
| 17:15.15 | cog|work | Maldivia: do you have win7? |
| 17:15.34 | Maldivia | I know, app specific mixer settings |
| 17:15.46 | cog|work | still annoying though |
| 17:16.36 | ScytheBlade1 | why does work suck so hard? :/ |
| 17:16.39 | Maldivia | well, I've just opted to uncheck "show launcher", also speed up the startup by about 15 seconds |
| 17:16.57 | cog|work | ScytheBlade1: do you sell vacuums? |
| 17:17.01 | cog|work | <.< |
| 17:17.02 | ScytheBlade1 | 63 hours last week |
| 17:17.14 | Ackis | did addon sounds get fixed in this patch? |
| 17:17.25 | ScytheBlade1 | I'll be working 6AM to midnight (or later) friday |
| 17:17.33 | ScytheBlade1 | and working saturday and sunday |
| 17:17.34 | ScytheBlade1 | ;( |
| 17:17.38 | Maldivia | Ackis: servers aren't up yes, so no idea |
| 17:17.38 | ScytheBlade1 | * :( |
| 17:18.30 | cog|work | ~lart Versus A.I map list |
| 17:18.30 | purl | DoSes Versus A.I map list |
| 17:18.42 | cog|work | NOOO that's exactly the opposite of what i wanted, purl |
| 17:19.03 | Xinhuan | oh what, a mini patch |
| 17:19.11 | Xinhuan | what did it do |
| 17:19.17 | cog|work | maybe fixed the Cogwheel of Doom? |
| 17:19.19 | Maldivia | just an exe patch |
| 17:19.30 | Xinhuan | get back to work cogdoom |
| 17:19.31 | Xinhuan | :) |
| 17:19.47 | cog|work | More work? Leave me alone! I don't wanna do this... Okay... |
| 17:20.10 | Maldivia | hopefully fix for cogwheel's doom and projected textures |
| 17:20.25 | Xinhuan | projected textures weren't really broken to begin with, its more that |
| 17:20.38 | Xinhuan | you had to turn off a checkbox for "emphasize my spell effects" |
| 17:20.53 | ScytheBlade1 | qq |
| 17:20.59 | ScytheBlade1 | returns to work |
| 17:21.11 | Lunessa | QQ! |
| 17:21.18 | Maldivia | Xinhuan: well, it was still broken, since that setting didn't emphasize your own projected textures either |
| 17:21.20 | Xinhuan | and yeah, wtf the launcher still does that GOOOOONNNNNGGG sound |
| 17:21.41 | Dajova | hmm... still no fix :( |
| 17:22.41 | Maldivia | Dajova: listen for ADDON_LOADED, and disable your code if one of the conflicting addons loads? |
| 17:23.01 | Dajova | i did that... no change |
| 17:23.32 | Maldivia | sure you're editing in the right file, and not in your ptr version or something ? |
| 17:23.36 | Lunessa | pastey your code. |
| 17:24.43 | Dajova | well, atm im only using the OptimalDeps way, just a sec |
| 17:26.34 | Maldivia | OptionalDeps, not Optimal :) |
| 17:26.58 | Dajova | http://www.pastey.net/142108 |
| 17:27.09 | Dajova | yeah whatever, i wasnt copy/pasting the name -.- |
| 17:27.11 | TC-Work | Xinhuan: then dont use the launcher |
| 17:27.39 | Maldivia | are you sure "TukuiCF["actionbar"].enable ~= true" should be there ? |
| 17:27.59 | Dajova | yes, its a part of my config |
| 17:28.28 | Maldivia | so if your actionbar is FALSE and any of the addons are loaded, then stop execution the file |
| 17:29.23 | Maldivia | is that the way it should be? |
| 17:29.47 | Dajova | you're saying there is a difference what way its called? |
| 17:29.51 | Dajova | yeah |
| 17:30.19 | Maldivia | TukuiCF is a saved var? |
| 17:30.40 | Dajova | global var |
| 17:31.16 | Maldivia | and what TikuiCF.actionbar initialized to? |
| 17:31.29 | Dajova | well... obv the actionbars :P |
| 17:31.59 | Dajova | basically, if its disabled, then it wont execute the file |
| 17:32.00 | Maldivia | ok, TukuiCF.actionbar.enable |
| 17:32.18 | Maldivia | yeah, but where is it initialized, and is it saved as a saved variable, or ? |
| 17:32.47 | Dajova | no, in a separate global config |
| 17:33.25 | Dajova | but either way, that's not the issue here |
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| 17:33.49 | Dajova | as long as i remove the IsAddOnLoaded-stuff, it works perfectly |
| 17:34.11 | Maldivia | well, it could be, since (TukuiCF["actionbar"].enable ~= true) has to evaluate to true for it to stop executin |
| 17:34.51 | Maldivia | you probably want "or" inbetween, instead of "and" |
| 17:35.57 | Dajova | ... |
| 17:35.59 | Dajova | meh |
| 17:36.03 | Dajova | i hate LUA sometimes |
| 17:36.07 | Dajova | it worked xD |
| 17:36.31 | Maldivia | well, that's not lua, that normal boolean expressions :) |
| 17:36.43 | Dajova | <--- nub |
| 17:37.08 | Maldivia | and it's not LUA, it's Lua |
| 17:37.49 | Floo | what Lua means? |
| 17:37.50 | Maldivia | (it's not an abbreviation or an acronym, it comes from the Portuguese word for moon) |
| 17:38.15 | olafski | silly portugueseians |
| 17:38.29 | olafski | they could've just called it Moon! |
| 17:40.04 | Floo | moon is not here |
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| 17:42.57 | TC-Work | neither are some peoples brains |
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| 17:46.08 | Fisker | cog|work_ |
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| 17:46.28 | Ackis | Fisker |
| 17:46.49 | Fisker | Ackis |
| 17:46.55 | Ackis | ilu |
| 17:47.09 | Fisker | nudurn |
| 17:47.16 | Dajova | noodles |
| 17:48.52 | Dajova | did i just break the chat? xD |
| 17:49.10 | Jamash | pikachu |
| 17:49.19 | olafski | mourns sunken temple :( |
| 17:49.52 | Jamash | no more simon says |
| 17:49.58 | Babypuntr | can anyone take a look at this and tell me why its broken in 4.0.1 - http://wowuidev.pastey.net/142110-410u - I updated my .toc file but besides that it hasn't changed since 3.3.5 |
| 17:50.14 | olafski | I liked it jamash.. though I have to agree it was kind of hard to show pugs around |
| 17:50.17 | Jamash | what's your error message? |
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| 17:50.35 | olafski | usually I was the only of the 5 who knew what to do, and they were like "why are we walking around all the time" or "why do we have to wait here for 2 minutes while you run around?" |
| 17:50.42 | Jamash | lewl |
| 17:50.42 | Robotboy655 | oh hello! :D |
| 17:50.52 | DWSR | US realms up? |
| 17:51.05 | Babypuntr | Jamash it doesnt display output |
| 17:51.10 | Babypuntr | sry forgot that part |
| 17:51.32 | Babypuntr | i tried CHAT_MSG_RAID aswell |
| 17:51.33 | Jamash | have you checked the logs? |
| 17:51.40 | Jamash | us realms are up |
| 17:52.12 | DWSR | No, I haven't checked the logs. |
| 17:52.20 | Maldivia | DWSR: yes they are |
| 17:52.21 | Jamash | not you be quiet |
| 17:52.21 | DWSR | Nice, but I'm assuming we didn't get the Elemental Invasion event? |
| 17:52.31 | Babypuntr | lol which logs? |
| 17:52.59 | Jamash | Babypuntr: Logs\FrameXML.log |
| 17:53.29 | Babypuntr | hmmm |
| 17:53.36 | Jamash | man the blizzard ui is throwing up a ton of errors |
| 17:56.26 | industrial | Ok so |
| 17:56.41 | industrial | I'm now pvping with my 27 warrior with some BoA items (axe, shoulders, chest) |
| 17:56.54 | olafski | ok |
| 17:56.55 | industrial | How do I get out of a hunter's slows? |
| 17:57.04 | olafski | intercept! |
| 17:57.14 | industrial | im level 27, no intercept |
| 17:57.26 | olafski | :) |
| 17:57.29 | Babypuntr | @Jamash it doesnt make a FrameXML.log so i assume there is nothing |
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| 17:57.56 | industrial | I charge him, get a MS, meelee hit and maybe a Heroic Strike off, then he gets away and kites me to death at 5% hp feeling so good .. every time :P |
| 17:58.12 | olafski | i'd feel good about that too |
| 17:58.41 | industrial | yes but realistically after a disengage + clip or slow, what can I press to kill him anyway? |
| 17:59.05 | olafski | shoot your bow! |
| 17:59.20 | industrial | vs a hunter >_> |
| 17:59.23 | olafski | :) |
| 17:59.25 | olafski | 5% hp |
| 17:59.28 | olafski | how much can that be |
| 17:59.34 | industrial | true |
| 18:00.05 | DWSR | Also, bleeds. |
| 18:00.09 | DWSR | Leave whatever dots you can. |
| 18:00.20 | olafski | with a heirloom bow you should be able to do somewhat decent damage |
| 18:00.29 | olafski | lets you feel good about yourself that you killed a hunter with a bow |
| 18:00.33 | DWSR | ^ |
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| 18:03.01 | Jamash | never test addons in dalaran |
| 18:03.27 | Floo | never go into Dalaran ... |
| 18:03.42 | Jamash | that's the first sensible thing you've said |
| 18:03.45 | Fisker | never be a jerk Jamash |
| 18:04.06 | Jamash | I'm not a jerk, I just act like one |
| 18:04.31 | DWSR | Ok all you Git users. |
| 18:04.45 | DWSR | How can I get Git to ignore a folder and everything beneath it in a repository? |
| 18:05.09 | DWSR | Just not add it to the repository? |
| 18:05.13 | Babypuntr | i always test my add-ons during raid time to piss off my guild |
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| 18:06.45 | Floo | where to find a default lua code? |
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| 18:08.33 | DWSR | Floo: Pardon? |
| 18:08.38 | DWSR | I'm not sure I understood your request |
| 18:08.57 | Floo | ok google ... |
| 18:09.14 | Floo | time() is a function |
| 18:09.20 | DarthAndroid_ | Babypuntr: wait, is that bad practice? How else and I supposed to test my raid addons? |
| 18:09.31 | nevcairiel | battle grounds =) |
| 18:09.55 | DarthAndroid_ | but then I get flagged and kicked :P |
| 18:10.04 | Floo | DarthAndroid_ raidframes:Show() |
| 18:10.27 | DarthAndroid_ | Floo: useless if they don't actually have units in them |
| 18:10.31 | nevcairiel | just pretent to be defending |
| 18:10.53 | TC-Work | do AV and sit in the bosses room on your side |
| 18:11.00 | DarthAndroid_ | hmmm |
| 18:11.04 | DarthAndroid_ | good idea, actually |
| 18:11.45 | Babypuntr | @Darth its only bad practice when you're doing it during H LK attempts and errors crash you :D |
| 18:12.20 | DarthAndroid_ | psh, I've actually /rl in the middle of a H LK attempt to get my Ui back >.> luckily no crash though |
| 18:14.17 | Babypuntr | lol |
| 18:15.06 | DWSR | Any MMOC admins around?\ |
| 18:15.30 | TC-Work | yes, but they dont like you |
| 18:15.32 | Babypuntr | reloadui is nice b/c it gives your char the same feeling as lag so you can use it as an excuse :P |
| 18:16.45 | Floo | time() is a function ... it gets information from global table that is updated each second or when I call it? |
| 18:16.47 | Dajova | depends when it's used... |
| 18:16.51 | DarthAndroid_ | Babypuntr: you've never reloadedui wtih auctioneer having to load a full database and skada with the last 30 fights saved... |
| 18:17.14 | Dajova | Darth: You're a bad boy, use Auctionator! |
| 18:17.19 | Babypuntr | skada yes ... dont run auctioneer on my raider |
| 18:17.51 | Babypuntr | though my skada is only 25 fights |
| 18:17.53 | Fisker | hey cog|work_ |
| 18:18.10 | DarthAndroid_ | Dajova: 1 click to post 20 different stacks of items all at 1c under current market prices with auctionator? |
| 18:18.48 | Babypuntr | and real men only use auctioneer for its search features ... QuickAuctions (now ZeroAuctions) for everything else |
| 18:18.52 | Dajova | alt-click to post each auction automaticly with 5% discount :P |
| 18:18.58 | Jamash | Babypuntr: you're using arg1 which no longer exists |
| 18:19.23 | Babypuntr | it no longer exists?! |
| 18:19.30 | DarthAndroid_ | Dajova: dont want 5%, does it offer 1c? |
| 18:19.34 | Dajova | auctioneer = 20mb, auctionator = 2mb with better features! |
| 18:19.46 | Dajova | you can set each to however you want |
| 18:19.52 | DarthAndroid_ | Dajova: auctionator clearly doesn't keep a searchable database then |
| 18:19.57 | DarthAndroid_ | which I actually use :P |
| 18:19.58 | Dajova | it does |
| 18:20.13 | DWSR | lol |
| 18:20.17 | DarthAndroid_ | you don't fit 30000 items in 2mb :P |
| 18:20.21 | DarthAndroid_ | not with lua |
| 18:20.21 | DWSR | Auctioneer has a whole hell of a lot more features than Auctionator. |
| 18:20.22 | DWSR | Trust me. |
| 18:20.43 | Dajova | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/auctionator.aspx just see |
| 18:20.49 | DWSR | I have. |
| 18:20.52 | DarthAndroid_ | Dajova: I have |
| 18:20.56 | Jamash | instead of "function(frame, event, ...) if arg1 == blah blah" write "function(frame, event, value, ...) if value == blah blah" |
| 18:21.06 | DWSR | You may not use all of the features of Auctioneer, but trust me, there is some pretty intense stuff that you can do with Auctioneer. |
| 18:21.09 | Dajova | i have 25000 items scanned on my auctionator and only takes roughtly 3mb |
| 18:21.24 | DWSR | Norganna should probably extend Auctioneer to the stock market. |
| 18:21.25 | Jamash | event arguments are passed as normal arguments to the event handler |
| 18:21.54 | DWSR | Jamash: Lua supports the inverted syntax for if statements? |
| 18:21.59 | DWSR | i.e. dothis() if that? |
| 18:22.00 | DarthAndroid_ | Dajova: It simply can't track that many items and statistical data for them in that amount of memory |
| 18:22.10 | Jamash | DWSR: no |
| 18:22.10 | DarthAndroid_ | DWSR: not that I know of? |
| 18:22.33 | Cide | DWSR: www.lua.org/pil |
| 18:22.35 | Jamash | That's a truncated statement |
| 18:22.38 | DWSR | Ah, nevermind. Misread what you were writing. |
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| 18:22.46 | DWSR | Yeah, I thought you were implying that it did for a second. |
| 18:22.51 | DWSR | And I was like "Since when does Lua do Perl?" |
| 18:23.00 | Dajova | Darth: it does, auctioneer have too many useless features that you dont need, auctionator just have the right amount of features that doesnt compromise functionality... |
| 18:23.15 | DWSR | Dajova: Just because you don't use the features doesn't mean they're useless. |
| 18:23.17 | Dajova | just try it, lol |
| 18:23.22 | Dagmar | Silly asian kids |
| 18:23.30 | DWSR | Dajova: Trust me, there's a reason that Auctioneer stays around. |
| 18:23.36 | Jamash | Auctioneer has a metric asston of useless features |
| 18:23.42 | Dajova | it only stays around cause it was the first one |
| 18:23.53 | DWSR | Dajova: Look at CT_Mod. It's practically dead. |
| 18:23.54 | Dagmar | ...and because it does excellent statistics collection |
| 18:23.56 | DWSR | It was one of the first. |
| 18:24.00 | DarthAndroid_ | Dajova: Jamash there's a metric addton of people that don't know how to use auctioneer |
| 18:24.08 | Jamash | sure, blame the user |
| 18:24.21 | DWSR | Being the first addon to do it is like posting "First" in a thread. It means dick all. |
| 18:24.48 | Jamash | let's say you have a washing machine that has fifty dials and buttons, and you have to set all of them to switch between whites and colors |
| 18:24.58 | DarthAndroid_ | ...but you don't |
| 18:24.59 | Dajova | I used auctioneer when i started playing wow and used it for about a year... grew tired of it cause it took ages to load up all the useless stats |
| 18:25.02 | Jamash | and let's say you have a washing machine that has one switch, "Whites" and "Colors" |
| 18:25.13 | Jamash | for 99% of people, the second washing machine is better |
| 18:25.17 | DWSR | Jamash: But what if I'm washing bright colours? |
| 18:25.26 | DWSR | Or if I'm washing only 1 specific colour? |
| 18:25.27 | DarthAndroid_ | I'm washing whites, but I need them bleached? |
| 18:25.31 | DWSR | Or what if I'm washing darks? |
| 18:25.40 | Dagmar | Dajova: If it took "ages" to load, it's time for you to buy a real PC |
| 18:25.45 | DarthAndroid_ | LOL |
| 18:25.46 | Jamash | then don't buy that machine |
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| 18:25.58 | DarthAndroid_ | I'm not :P |
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| 18:26.05 | Dajova | Dagmar: I tried both with my old PC and my current |
| 18:26.07 | Dajova | same result |
| 18:26.08 | DarthAndroid_ | I'm trying to tell Dajova that I need more than "whites" and "colors" |
| 18:26.10 | Jamash | this is a real phenomenon, with real washing machines, btw |
| 18:26.17 | DWSR | 20mb would double my current UI's memory usage. |
| 18:26.21 | DWSR | Jamash: It's not. |
| 18:26.24 | Jamash | Manufacturers kept adding features to try to compete |
| 18:26.26 | Dagmar | Dajova: Then you are seeing some other addon screw you over |
| 18:26.27 | Dajova | 20mb would tripple |
| 18:26.30 | Dajova | for me |
| 18:26.31 | Jamash | they found out that they were simply confusing their customers |
| 18:26.37 | DarthAndroid_ | DWSR: 20mb more than 20x my current memory usage |
| 18:26.44 | DWSR | DarthAndroid_: Stock UI? |
| 18:26.50 | Dagmar | I've purged Auctioneer's historical data twice since the game |
| 18:26.52 | Dajova | u mean Default |
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| 18:26.58 | Dagmar | s release. It's never taken me more than about 15s to load |
| 18:27.03 | Jamash | nobody wants to have to read a twenty page manual to use their washing machine |
| 18:27.17 | Jamash | if the instructions don't fit on the underside of the lid, the machine is overdesigned |
| 18:27.20 | DarthAndroid_ | DWSR: nope, buffs, actionbars, unitframes (standard, party, and raid), cooldowns, chat, minimap, and fubar-style data displays all @ 900kb grand total |
| 18:27.23 | Dagmar | ...and that's with an asston of other actually memory-intensive addons (LightHeaded, MobMap) loading |
| 18:27.27 | DWSR | My biggest memory offenders are BF, the Curse profiler and Skada. |
| 18:27.30 | DWSR | At 1mb each |
| 18:27.37 | DWSR | DarthAndroid_: Using oUF for UFs? |
| 18:27.44 | DarthAndroid_ | DWSR: hell yes :) |
| 18:27.54 | DWSR | Yeah, I'm trying to figure this the fuck out. |
| 18:28.17 | Dajova | my biggest memory mods are Auctionator and Altoholic... rest is under 1mb each |
| 18:28.21 | DWSR | LitePanels was easy. |
| 18:28.29 | DWSR | But this is just x.x |
| 18:28.44 | Floo | what is oUF? |
| 18:28.51 | Dajova | slaps Floo |
| 18:29.05 | Floo | slaps Dajova |
| 18:29.14 | Dajova | bitchslaps Floo |
| 18:29.16 | DWSR | wields the Holy Mackarel. |
| 18:29.16 | Jamash | pops popcorn. |
| 18:29.26 | DWSR | Any TF2 fans? |
| 18:29.34 | Jamash | yes |
| 18:29.46 | Robotboy655 | yes :D |
| 18:29.46 | Dajova | sry, played it for 1 week and then grew tired of it :P |
| 18:30.03 | DarthAndroid_ | With the exception of Skada (which is loaded because I just finished raid), this UI comes in at less than a meg: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/162360/WoWScrnShot_070910_044447.jpg |
| 18:30.16 | Cide | who the fuck cares about memory usage jesus fucking christ |
| 18:30.26 | Cide | and I doubt your textures come in at less than 1 mb |
| 18:30.26 | Jamash | ^ |
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| 18:30.53 | DarthAndroid_ | Cide: when you hit the 2GB vm barrier, memory matters :P |
| 18:31.06 | Cide | but the 1-10mb of your ui matters a lot |
| 18:31.13 | Cide | compared to, say, os, or, say, wow itself |
| 18:31.13 | Jamash | if your addons are causing you to hit the 2GB memory barrier you have problems |
| 18:31.14 | Dagmar | Because they are NUMBERZ! |
| 18:31.15 | Cide | stop being ridiculous |
| 18:31.24 | Dagmar | Jamash: Too right |
| 18:31.42 | DarthAndroid_ | Jamash: eh, it's not so much the addons, it's just that every little bit helps :P |
| 18:32.02 | Jamash | try unloading wow, saves a lot of memory |
| 18:32.03 | olafski | compared to the tons of memory used by models, sounds and textures.. who cares about 5mb of addon memory |
| 18:32.10 | DarthAndroid_ | and no, being wasteful with memory is not something anyone should be happy with |
| 18:32.31 | Jamash | do you drive a one seater electric car? |
| 18:32.31 | DWSR | DarthAndroid_: There is a point of rediculous. |
| 18:32.41 | DWSR | But I agree, it's nice to trim fat where possible. |
| 18:32.44 | Jamash | or better yet, an electric bicycle? |
| 18:32.51 | Jamash | or better yet, walk everywhere? |
| 18:32.52 | olafski | there's a lot of room between wasteful and premature optimization |
| 18:33.09 | DWSR | Jamash: I drive a hydrogen fuel cell powered rocket bike. |
| 18:33.13 | DWSR | It gives off clean water. |
| 18:33.14 | DarthAndroid_ | Jamash: No, but I've seen addons that use a table each time they want to query a value out of their configuration, and then "fix" the memory leak by calling the garbage collector every couple of seconds |
| 18:33.15 | olafski | when it comes to being wasteful with screen estate I can concur.. but memory... meh |
| 18:33.15 | Jamash | DWSR: awesome |
| 18:33.17 | DWSR | That I bottle and then consume. |
| 18:33.21 | DarthAndroid_ | and Jamash, I walk. |
| 18:33.36 | Dagmar | That's nothing. My scooter shoots rainbows out of it's tailpip |
| 18:33.43 | DWSR | btw, I've hit the 2GB mem limit on my WoW. |
| 18:33.50 | DWSR | My UI was like 200mb. |
| 18:33.54 | DWSR | It was pretty fun |
| 18:33.55 | Jamash | my UI uses 44.63MB |
| 18:34.04 | Jamash | and I don't care |
| 18:34.05 | Floo | DarthAndroid_ what is bad about saving settings into table? |
| 18:34.21 | DarthAndroid_ | Floo: not saving into a table |
| 18:34.25 | olafski | I have no clue how much memory my UI uses :) |
| 18:34.31 | DarthAndroid_ | using a table as the "path" to query |
| 18:34.35 | Jamash | calling the garbage collector is indeed a sign you suck |
| 18:34.36 | olafski | as long as I can see what I want to see and nothing more I'm fine with it |
| 18:34.42 | DWSR | olafski: It's easy to see. Even the default UI shows you now. |
| 18:34.44 | DWSR | Jamash: Indeed. |
| 18:34.48 | Jamash | unless you've just done something like query the entire AH |
| 18:34.54 | olafski | and very importantly, without requiring me to spend more than 30 minutes of setting it up |
| 18:35.01 | DWSR | olafski: 30 minutes? lol |
| 18:35.09 | DWSR | I spent 30 minutes just trying to get my fucking actionbars in the right spot. |
| 18:35.20 | DarthAndroid_ | like getconfig({"global","bar",1,"padding"}) |
| 18:35.25 | DWSR | After which I gave up and anchored that shit to a frame where I placed it precisely in lua. |
| 18:35.44 | Jamash | I asked nev why bartender's default layout is useless |
| 18:35.52 | DWSR | IT's like that on purpose. |
| 18:35.56 | Dagmar | dwsr: What are you using that won't snapto? |
| 18:35.58 | Jamash | he says it's because you're just going to configure it so why bother |
| 18:35.59 | olafski | useless how? |
| 18:36.12 | Jamash | useless as in all the bars are in the center of the screen |
| 18:36.15 | DarthAndroid_ | Jamash: I agree with that :P |
| 18:36.19 | Dagmar | olafski: It just lobs a bunch of bars in the dead center of your screne |
| 18:36.23 | olafski | oh.. yeah that is kind of useless |
| 18:36.33 | Shirik | getconfig{"global"} > getconfig({"global"}) |
| 18:36.35 | olafski | I moved them down, removed the space between the buttons and that's it |
| 18:36.52 | Dagmar | ...but people would say the same shit if it defaulted to doing two bars on the bottom and a bar on the right, as well |
| 18:36.54 | DWSR | Dagmar: I was trying to position my bars around my minimap properly. |
| 18:36.55 | Jamash | my attitude is that the default layout should mimic the wow default layout because that gives you a convenient starting point |
| 18:36.58 | DarthAndroid_ | Shirik: getconfig("global") saves the creation of the table entirely... |
| 18:37.11 | Shirik | agreed, but that was not one of the options :P |
| 18:37.14 | DarthAndroid_ | when you start querying multiple config values |
| 18:37.17 | DarthAndroid_ | in an OnUpdate |
| 18:37.18 | Jamash | then if you want a "destroy my layout with fire" button you can have that |
| 18:37.19 | Dagmar | dwsr: Oh you're one of those people with the minimap in bottom center then? |
| 18:37.27 | DarthAndroid_ | shit goes to hell |
| 18:37.29 | DWSR | Dagmar: This iteration of my UI, yes. |
| 18:37.39 | DWSR | I've tried it in other spots, so why not try this. |
| 18:37.40 | Jamash | reasonable defaults are one of the hallmarks of good design |
| 18:37.42 | DarthAndroid_ | and the author's "fix" was to call the garbage collector every couple of seconds |
| 18:37.44 | Dagmar | Jamash: You have compiz effects for wowui? |
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| 18:37.58 | DWSR | Jamash: BT's defaults are reasonable. |
| 18:38.00 | Jamash | thus sacrificing performance for memory usage |
| 18:38.01 | DWSR | You're going to move the shit anyway. |
| 18:38.06 | Jamash | DWSR: FOR ME TO POOP ON |
| 18:38.08 | Jamash | wrong |
| 18:38.18 | Jamash | for reasons I just explained |
| 18:38.23 | DWSR | He's right, you know. |
| 18:38.33 | Jamash | no, he's not |
| 18:38.35 | Dagmar | DWSR: Ahh... I finally sat down and made an actual *list* of WTF I care about from moment to moment. Minimap is kinda low on the priority list unless/until I'm exploring |
| 18:38.36 | DWSR | oUF doesn't come with reasonable defaults either. It comes with no defaults. |
| 18:38.44 | Jamash | Installing an addon should not render the game unplayable |
| 18:38.49 | Dagmar | DWSR: ...so now I'm kinda looking into making my layout change when I enter an instance |
| 18:38.57 | TC-Work | Dagmar: new xpac soon.... |
| 18:39.03 | olafski | well, even if the defaults aren't that good, I like BT.. takes me about 1 minute to set it up when I install wow on another pc or somehow lose my settings :) |
| 18:39.05 | Jamash | that violates least surprise in a wholly egregious fashion |
| 18:39.07 | DWSR | Dagmar: It's nice in the bottom center because it gives you something to center around. |
| 18:39.17 | Dagmar | TC-Work: Exactly why I'm looking to make mine sing and dance a bit more than usual |
| 18:39.25 | nevcairiel | BT has presets that you can load that emulate the default ui. I guess i can make it load the default ui template if that makes you feel better :p |
| 18:39.36 | Jamash | I didn't even know that was there |
| 18:39.38 | Dagmar | DWSR: I just let snap-tos snap to invisible lines down the center of the screen |
| 18:39.40 | olafski | nevcairiel: it does? cool :) |
| 18:39.44 | TC-Work | form follows function |
| 18:39.44 | Jamash | yes, actually, it would |
| 18:39.48 | DWSR | Dagmar: Yeah. That's true. |
| 18:39.56 | Dagmar | DWSR: ...although now that I'm using Macaroon again, it wholly doesn't matter |
| 18:39.57 | DWSR | Dagmar: However, I'm sick of having my ABs in bottom center. |
| 18:40.25 | Dagmar | DWSR: I'm thinking about setting that bar to just auto-hide or something now |
| 18:40.32 | DWSR | Dagmar: I have that on my healer. |
| 18:40.34 | Jamash | presets! when did you add those? |
| 18:40.35 | DWSR | Because I heal with Clique. |
| 18:40.35 | Floo | what is oUF and BT? |
| 18:40.41 | TC-Work | addons |
| 18:40.44 | DarthAndroid_ | oUF is a unitframe library |
| 18:40.47 | DWSR | ^ |
| 18:40.50 | DarthAndroid_ | and BT is an actionbar replacement |
| 18:41.00 | Floo | what it stands for? |
| 18:41.01 | DWSR | Ok. |
| 18:41.07 | DarthAndroid_ | oUnitFrames? I dunno :P |
| 18:41.09 | DWSR | oUF_Classic is fucking spaghetti. |
| 18:41.11 | olafski | bt = bartender |
| 18:41.11 | DarthAndroid_ | ask Haste |
| 18:41.13 | Dagmar | ...since I've got two clusters of buttons up, one for the G15 keys and one for the NUmpad. I finally rebuilt the DK's UI last night and got through it without putting acutally anything in the bottom bar |
| 18:41.13 | DWSR | Otravi, or something. |
| 18:41.13 | Jamash | If I had known that was there I wouldn't have complained :P |
| 18:41.14 | DWSR | Second. |
| 18:41.20 | Shirik | ok |
| 18:41.25 | Shirik | yall talkin too fast |
| 18:41.30 | Shirik | how am I supposed to keep up with this |
| 18:41.33 | Floo | bartender is good :) |
| 18:41.36 | DarthAndroid_ | get two monitors? |
| 18:41.37 | DWSR | Shirik: Clearly, read faster. |
| 18:41.41 | Jamash | Shirik: hire a secretary? |
| 18:41.48 | Lunessa | Take speed. |
| 18:41.53 | Jamash | speed kills yo |
| 18:41.56 | DWSR | Take Ritalin. |
| 18:41.57 | Ackis | ignore everyone? |
| 18:41.59 | DWSR | Which is speed for the speds. |
| 18:42.00 | Jamash | ^ |
| 18:42.00 | Yoshimo | i havent found any documentation on it, but is http://pastebin.com/1vVq10ZU a new feature of 4.01? |
| 18:42.01 | Shirik | 6 lines in 3 seconds |
| 18:42.04 | Jamash | ^ackis |
| 18:42.11 | DWSR | Shirik: It's like spam. |
| 18:42.31 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 18:42.33 | Fisker | hello |
| 18:42.34 | olafski | 6 in 3 seconds? :s |
| 18:42.35 | Fisker | goodday |
| 18:42.41 | olafski | I must have more people on ignore in this channel than I realize :P |
| 18:42.43 | DWSR | Dagmar: I have 1 bar with modifier paging for my n52te, then another bar for my special key combos on my second layout page for my n52. |
| 18:42.48 | DWSR | Then a 3rd bar for my Naga. |
| 18:42.51 | DWSR | I have SO MANY FUCKING BUTTONS. |
| 18:42.56 | DWSR | I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH THEM ALL |
| 18:43.01 | Jamash | I like the n52 but I gave up on using it for wow |
| 18:43.04 | Dagmar | DWSR: Yeah so you've got plenny of buttons without using the number keys, too then |
| 18:43.04 | DWSR | HALF OF THEM ARE FUCKING EMPTY AND MY BRAIN IS STILL EXPLODING. |
| 18:43.07 | TC-Work | ~lart DWSR |
| 18:43.07 | purl | gives DWSR a good seeing to |
| 18:43.14 | Dagmar | Yoshimo: What in that is supposed to be new? |
| 18:43.27 | DWSR | Dagmar: Well, I just bound my n52 to all of the number keys. |
| 18:43.28 | Yoshimo | that we see world coordinates instead of x y z=? |
| 18:43.32 | DWSR | and then the d-pad is movement. |
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| 18:43.40 | Yoshimo | no z sry, i meant 0-100 |
| 18:44.02 | DWSR | The button on top of the d-pad pages to my "specials and UI hotkeys" page. |
| 18:44.10 | DWSR | The layout I have is actually really nice. |
| 18:44.16 | DWSR | It lets me masterbate and tank very effectively. |
| 18:44.23 | Dagmar | looks away |
| 18:44.24 | Yoshimo | [20:36:05]Coordinates: -6756.5234318097 , -3144.1306143105 instead of 42/63 badlands |
| 18:44.34 | DarthAndroid_ | ... I just stick with 5 buttons and help/harm/mod:shift/mod:alt/mod:ctrl >.> |
| 18:44.47 | DWSR | DarthAndroid_: Instead of making macros for mod: etc. |
| 18:44.53 | DWSR | I just let BT page based on my modifier. |
| 18:44.59 | DWSR | No macros. |
| 18:45.19 | DarthAndroid_ | DWSR: and when bt is unavailable for one reason or another... ? |
| 18:45.21 | DarthAndroid_ | ;) |
| 18:45.26 | DWSR | It's never unavailable. |
| 18:45.37 | Jamash | your pastey is screwy |
| 18:45.47 | DWSR | I don't build my UI around portability. |
| 18:45.56 | DWSR | I'm playing WoW from only my computer. |
| 18:45.59 | Dagmar | Yoshimo: I'd check the wiki. It's likely to mention if there was a change to either of those two bits of the API |
| 18:46.04 | DWSR | If I'm logging in somewhere else, it's to check something quickly. |
| 18:46.14 | DarthAndroid_ | and if something breaks? |
| 18:46.15 | DWSR | Yoshimo: www.wowpedia.org <-- this one, btw. |
| 18:46.19 | Jamash | why are you assigning y, x = (function of x), (function of y)? |
| 18:46.22 | DWSR | DarthAndroid_: nevcairiel hasn't let me down yet. |
| 18:46.33 | DWSR | Also, I know enough lua to fix minor breaks. |
| 18:46.40 | DWSR | And I test in PTRs and betas. |
| 18:46.45 | Shirik | hello Fisker |
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| 18:47.01 | DWSR | You should see what'll happen to my UI if LitePanels breaks for some reason. :D |
| 18:47.11 | DarthAndroid_ | stuck without unitframes? |
| 18:47.14 | DWSR | No. |
| 18:47.24 | Yoshimo | is this the old wowwiki? ;) |
| 18:47.28 | Dagmar | Yes. |
| 18:47.31 | DWSR | I'm forcibly reparenting and reanchoring actionbars, the minimap, and about half a dozen other frames to LP frames. |
| 18:47.39 | DWSR | so, if LitePanels breaks. |
| 18:47.39 | DarthAndroid_ | oh LOL |
| 18:47.43 | DWSR | BOOM |
| 18:47.50 | Dagmar | You can spot the old wowwiki because now it's got noisy commecials on it, as well as frelling goldfarmer ads |
| 18:48.01 | Dagmar | You gotta hand it to Wikia for sliding downhill so fast |
| 18:48.06 | DarthAndroid_ | also, kudos to forcibly reanchoring shit. Long live lua-config, and to hell with in-game config :P |
| 18:48.07 | Jamash | LitePanels: "There is no in-game config. Configuration is done through editing a layout file." |
| 18:48.09 | Yoshimo | http://www.wowpedia.org/API_GetCurrentMapZone , is missing a few return values |
| 18:48.09 | DWSR | The new WPedia layout is so sexy. |
| 18:48.12 | DWSR | Jamash: Yep. :) |
| 18:48.25 | Jamash | why not just hack the wow executable |
| 18:48.28 | Arrowmaster | !api GetCurrentMapZone |
| 18:48.28 | lua_bot | GetCurrentMapZone: Returns the current world map zone (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetCurrentMapZone) |
| 18:48.40 | DWSR | DarthAndroid_: I'm thinking of making a LP panel that just is a massive OnLoad laundry list of things to do. |
| 18:48.43 | Dagmar | DarthAndroid_: Excepting that most people just want to move windows around... not write their own damn UI software. |
| 18:48.57 | DWSR | Different strokes. |
| 18:49.03 | DWSR | The design philosophies of both are nice. |
| 18:49.09 | DWSR | Personally, I like LP over kgP |
| 18:49.14 | DarthAndroid_ | Dagmar: And they have an array of options other than my UI to use ;) |
| 18:49.28 | DWSR | DarthAndroid_: Ok, so help me with an oUF layout then. |
| 18:49.35 | DWSR | Like, where do I even start creating a player frame? |
| 18:49.37 | Dagmar | I dunno, I likw to think that if you went to the car dealership, picked out the vehicle, and then they showed you to a large box full of car parts, you'd probably be looking to kick someone's ass. |
| 18:49.48 | DWSR | Dagmar: Not if you're Italian. ;) |
| 18:50.15 | DWSR | I'm sorry if anyone got offended at that joke. |
| 18:50.18 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: there is actually a car you can buy that comes as a bunch of parts, you can pay extra for them to assemble it |
| 18:50.23 | DarthAndroid_ | you create a player frame like this: oUF:SetActiveStyle("yourstyle"); local player = oUF:Spawn("My_player_frame","player") |
| 18:50.30 | Dagmar | By the same token, there's a reason hardly anyone actually uses OpenRDX |
| 18:50.32 | DarthAndroid_ | then you can player:SetPoint() |
| 18:50.32 | DWSR | And that just...what? |
| 18:50.40 | DarthAndroid_ | that's it |
| 18:50.44 | DarthAndroid_ | now, you have to have a valid style |
| 18:50.47 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: yeah, I've seen a couple of kit cars like that. Scroooooo'em |
| 18:51.02 | DarthAndroid_ | but that's how you create a frame and have the style applied |
| 18:51.07 | DWSR | DarthAndroid_: So oUF layouts have 2 parts? |
| 18:51.09 | Dagmar | At least when you get a scooter shipped in from Taiwan it only takes about 20m to put the pieces on it |
| 18:51.12 | DWSR | Positions and then frame styles? |
| 18:51.15 | DarthAndroid_ | DWSR: yup |
| 18:51.28 | DWSR | That makes things a little less mud-like. |
| 18:51.32 | DWSR | Alright. |
| 18:51.42 | DarthAndroid_ | when you call Spawn(), oUF creates the frame, and then passes it and the current unit to your style |
| 18:51.46 | DWSR | So positions, I'm assuming, are basically "SPAWN THIS SHIT AND SETPOINT IT HEAR!" |
| 18:51.54 | DarthAndroid_ | yup |
| 18:52.08 | DWSR | Cool. I can handle that. I guess the problem I'm having is how to even apply a style. |
| 18:52.14 | DWSR | s/apply/create/ |
| 18:52.23 | DarthAndroid_ | LOL |
| 18:52.28 | DWSR | makes highlighting ignore purl. |
| 18:53.00 | DarthAndroid_ | An oUF style consists of elements |
| 18:53.14 | DWSR | Elements like statusbars, text, etc? |
| 18:53.18 | DarthAndroid_ | if an element exists, then oUF will take it over and start maintaining and updating it |
| 18:53.21 | DarthAndroid_ | yes |
| 18:53.32 | DarthAndroid_ | if you put a statusbar at self.Health |
| 18:53.34 | DWSR | Tags are "status texts"? |
| 18:53.38 | Jamash | is this one of those html/css/javascript things? |
| 18:53.52 | DWSR | Jamash: wat? |
| 18:53.55 | DarthAndroid_ | you can tag a fontstring to be updated when things change |
| 18:53.58 | Jamash | where you have to learn three completely unrelated syntaxes in order to get anything done? |
| 18:54.03 | DWSR | Oh, no. |
| 18:54.04 | DarthAndroid_ | have you ever worked with dogtags? |
| 18:54.06 | DarthAndroid_ | *libdogtags |
| 18:54.09 | Jamash | yes |
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| 18:54.10 | DWSR | DarthAndroid_: Yeah. And LuaTexts. |
| 18:54.14 | DWSR | from PB. |
| 18:54.39 | DarthAndroid_ | taggin is just like dogtags, though the built-ins aren't quite as extensive, and you can't be quite as expressive |
| 18:54.49 | DWSR | Ok, pretty simple. |
| 18:54.57 | Dagmar | DogTags == Win |
| 18:55.00 | DarthAndroid_ | i.e., self.Name = self:CreateFontString(...) ; self:Tag(self.Name,"[Name]") |
| 18:55.02 | DWSR | Yes. |
| 18:55.13 | DarthAndroid_ | you can create custom tags, which call a lua function |
| 18:55.14 | Dagmar | About the only thing it lacks is a way to adjust fontstring sizes |
| 18:55.21 | Dagmar | ...and that's not a really big deal. |
| 18:55.50 | DarthAndroid_ | at this point, it's basically down to looking into oUF's elements/ folder |
| 18:55.54 | DarthAndroid_ | and then adding what's appropriate |
| 18:55.56 | DarthAndroid_ | i.e. |
| 18:56.10 | DarthAndroid_ | if unit == "player" then self.Experience = ... end |
| 18:56.24 | DarthAndroid_ | so that the player will get an experience bar, but raid35 won't |
| 18:56.49 | DarthAndroid_ | or you might do if unit == "player" or unit == "pet" then ... end since pets have experience too |
| 18:57.07 | Computerpunk | <Dagmar> Updated DogTags == Win |
| 18:57.08 | Computerpunk | fixed. |
| 18:57.08 | Dagmar | Oh like their XP bar matters |
| 18:57.12 | DarthAndroid_ | or get even more fancy with if unit == "player" and UnitLevel("player") < 80 then ... end |
| 18:57.29 | DarthAndroid_ | since a player doesn't care about their xp at max level |
| 18:57.33 | Dagmar | Computerpunk: Updated where? My copy is just coming in along with PitBull afaik |
| 18:57.52 | DarthAndroid_ | s/< 80/< PLAYER_MAX_LEVEL/ I think the constant is |
| 18:58.01 | DarthAndroid_ | or MAX_PLAYER_LEVEL |
| 18:58.07 | Dagmar | DarthAndroid_: DogTags gives you an isMaxLevel function. No messing about |
| 18:58.19 | DarthAndroid_ | Dagmar: oUF doesn't have full dogtags |
| 18:58.26 | DarthAndroid_ | oUF has a very basic tagging |
| 18:58.31 | DarthAndroid_ | and we're not even using tags here |
| 18:58.46 | DarthAndroid_ | this is about creating a progress bar that shows how close you are to the next level |
| 18:59.12 | Dagmar | I'll stick with DogTags since I've only rarely had to go looking through it's docs for anything. Turns out just about any check or token I'd *like* is in there already, named as whatever I'd have named it |
| 18:59.17 | Computerpunk | Dagmar, there are missing DogTags. |
| 18:59.32 | Dagmar | Computerpunk: Please elaborate. |
| 18:59.37 | Computerpunk | *points at HolyPower, Eclise, etc* |
| 18:59.38 | Jamash | and there's a quest to collect fifty of them |
| 19:00.23 | Dagmar | Computerpunk: being that I have no Paladins or Druids, how are those "missing"? |
| 19:00.38 | Computerpunk | Stop being selfish. :p |
| 19:00.48 | Computerpunk | I don't have them either. |
| 19:01.04 | Computerpunk | But creating an AddOn with support for those Power bars requires DogTags, imo. |
| 19:01.17 | Lunessa | Oh man, just lay them out on the table and measure already. |
| 19:01.20 | Dagmar | Oh... PitBull seems to have them |
| 19:01.26 | Dagmar | I just don't load those modules |
| 19:01.26 | Jamash | ~Lunessa++ |
| 19:01.37 | Computerpunk | waaaaaaaaaaaat. |
| 19:01.55 | Lopeppeppy | snorgles Lunessa!!!!! |
| 19:02.09 | Lunessa | huggles Lopeppeppy. |
| 19:02.20 | Dagmar | I remember seeing the Eclipse one last night when I actually looked down through my addons list to figure out why I was missing some LDB widgets |
| 19:02.41 | alestane | Say what, Lunessa? |
| 19:02.52 | Jamash | epeens |
| 19:02.59 | Shirik | http://newsfeed.time.com/2010/10/26/kenyan-man-builds-airplane-in-yard-based-mostly-on-wikipedia-entries/ |
| 19:03.08 | DWSR | DarthAndroid_: There a list of all of the Constants in the UI? |
| 19:03.24 | olafski | is wikipedia going to run away with all the articles and make some other site too? :D |
| 19:03.27 | cog|work_ | ~hug Lunessa |
| 19:03.28 | purl | ACTION hugs Lunessa |
| 19:03.43 | Jamash | DWSR: get luabrowser, look at them directly |
| 19:03.50 | Lunessa | high-fives alestane, cog|work_ and Jamash. |
| 19:03.51 | DWSR | I has. |
| 19:03.59 | DWSR | olafski: I hope so. |
| 19:04.45 | DarthAndroid_ | DWSR: sadly, no. They're hidden at the top of various *.lua files in the FrameXML |
| 19:04.45 | Computerpunk | Dagmar, it's Pitbull specific. |
| 19:04.53 | Computerpunk | v4.0.0-beta14 <- added functionality for Eclipse. |
| 19:04.58 | alestane | My server still sports the guild "Casual Hex". |
| 19:05.03 | Dagmar | Computerpunk: Well, *yeah*. It's a PitBull module |
| 19:05.06 | Dagmar | heh |
| 19:05.10 | Computerpunk | LibDogTag? |
| 19:05.15 | Computerpunk | Wrong. |
| 19:05.16 | Computerpunk | :p |
| 19:05.20 | DWSR | olafski: I hope so.6 |
| 19:05.23 | DWSR | ^ |
| 19:05.29 | Shirik | LibLib |
| 19:05.30 | DWSR | sorry olafski. Accidental highlight. |
| 19:05.32 | DWSR | Libbil |
| 19:05.36 | Shirik | A library for helping you make libraries |
| 19:05.50 | Computerpunk | Shirik, I know. |
| 19:05.52 | *** part/#wowuidev Robotboy655 (~Robotboy6@92.97.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee) |
| 19:05.55 | Jamash | call it ibrary |
| 19:05.57 | Dagmar | Shirik: But does it work in a library? |
| 19:05.58 | Computerpunk | Trying to tell Dagmar that it's not Pitbull specific. |
| 19:06.03 | Ackis | olafski |
| 19:06.07 | Jamash | then you can write gcc -library |
| 19:06.23 | Fisker | du har en pik Ackis |
| 19:07.17 | Jamash | so my sister was playing Super Scribblenauts (now with adjectives) |
| 19:07.18 | Dagmar | I'm still trying to figure out what's supposed to be missing |
| 19:07.29 | Jamash | I told her to make an "illegal danish" |
| 19:07.38 | Jamash | and then a "danish policeman" |
| 19:07.42 | Shirik | I still want to figure out how Scribblenauts works |
| 19:07.46 | foxlit | "WoWInterface > General Discussion > "Religion and modern society."" |
| 19:07.49 | foxlit | This can't end well. |
| 19:07.51 | Jamash | the policeman shot the danish |
| 19:08.05 | Jamash | Shrik: a very large sparse table |
| 19:08.11 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 19:08.14 | Dagmar | Jamash: Damn LA cops |
| 19:08.15 | Shirik | but that's a LOT of words |
| 19:08.15 | Fisker | do you agree with me? |
| 19:08.16 | Shirik | I mean |
| 19:08.20 | Shirik | seriously |
| 19:08.27 | olafski | ackis |
| 19:08.38 | Shirik | I agree that you are now playing Shank, Fisker |
| 19:08.43 | Ackis | olafski |
| 19:08.45 | Fisker | no Shirik |
| 19:08.55 | olafski | ackis |
| 19:08.58 | olafski | jamash: illegal danish!? |
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| 19:09.34 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o cairenn] by ChanServ |
| 19:09.36 | alestane | http://textsfromlastnight.com/Text-Replies-21805.html, Lunessa. |
| 19:09.53 | alestane | warmly embraces cairenn. |
| 19:10.00 | cairenn | huggles alestane |
| 19:10.10 | Shirik | lowercase c |
| 19:10.12 | Shirik | must be an impostor |
| 19:11.02 | Lunessa | alestane - lulz |
| 19:13.14 | p3lim1 | new buffs doesnt show up using the new SecureAuraHeaderTemplate |
| 19:13.20 | p3lim1 | only after a reload |
| 19:13.28 | Computerpunk | I blame Blizzard. |
| 19:13.35 | Ackis | olafski |
| 19:13.57 | olafski | ackis |
| 19:14.51 | Lopeppeppy | snorgles Cairenn too. |
| 19:15.16 | zenzelezz | watches |
| 19:16.19 | Lopeppeppy | Buy a video camera! |
| 19:16.23 | Lopeppeppy | ... wait, was that out loud? |
| 19:16.40 | DWSR | Not at all. |
| 19:16.48 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, carry on then. |
| 19:16.53 | p3lim1 | anyone got a clue? |
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| 19:22.02 | Jamash | I have a cluebat. |
| 19:22.11 | Floo | is there any character that cant be stored as string? |
| 19:22.16 | Lopeppeppy | I was thinking that I had a Clue by Four. |
| 19:22.32 | TC-Work | ^ |
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| 19:22.52 | Floo | TC-Work its the character or just your "smile" ? |
| 19:23.00 | Jamash | Floo: You can't store the artist formerly known as the artist formerly known as prince's logo as a string. |
| 19:23.13 | TC-Work | Floo: that had nothing to do with you |
| 19:23.18 | TC-Work | i was refering to Lopeppeppy |
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| 19:23.59 | Jamash | ^ when used as the only content of an IRC message indicates that you wish to point out the message above because it looks like an upward-pointing arrowhead |
| 19:24.02 | Cairenn | huggles Lopeppeppy |
| 19:24.04 | Floo | prince's logo? |
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| 19:24.12 | Shirik | Jamash stop confusing him |
| 19:24.24 | Jamash | it's like making fun of a clown, there's no fun in it |
| 19:24.34 | Lunessa | ^ |
| 19:24.44 | TC-Work | ^ |
| 19:24.47 | Jamash | ^ |
| 19:24.52 | Shirik | ow |
| 19:24.55 | Shirik | circular reference |
| 19:24.55 | olafski | isn't prince's logo more like some glyph? |
| 19:24.56 | TC-Work | recursion loop |
| 19:25.16 | olafski | I seem to recall he wanted it added to unicode or something |
| 19:25.25 | Jamash | but they rejected it |
| 19:25.27 | Lopeppeppy | you people give me nightmares, ya'know that? *poke* |
| 19:25.32 | Ackis | olafski |
| 19:25.32 | Jamash | which is why you can't store it in a string |
| 19:25.35 | Shirik | there's a private section he could add it to if he really wants to |
| 19:25.38 | olafski | ackis |
| 19:25.39 | Jamash | see? I'm helpful |
| 19:26.09 | Lunessa | BlizzCon, 4 nights of heavy drinking, plus Disney Trip, plus long flights = worn out Lunessa. |
| 19:26.18 | Shirik | hey |
| 19:26.22 | Shirik | you didn't even go to the light show |
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| 19:26.35 | Shirik | And I had a flight at 6 AM that morning (which meant waking up at 2:30) |
| 19:26.36 | Jamash | they should hold blizzcon at disneyland |
| 19:26.47 | Lunessa | Shirik I wouldn't have survived. |
| 19:26.48 | olafski | they should hold blizzcon in my hometown |
| 19:26.54 | Fisker | i don't feel so well Shirik |
| 19:26.55 | olafski | might go then :P |
| 19:26.56 | TC-Work | they should hold it at the LA convention center |
| 19:26.59 | Jamash | they should hold Blizzcon at my house |
| 19:27.19 | Lunessa | is waiting for someoneto say they should hold it in their pants. |
| 19:27.27 | Jamash | ~rimshot |
| 19:27.27 | purl | badum-TISH! |
| 19:27.37 | olafski | I can imagine why fisker |
| 19:27.41 | olafski | ackis is impersonating you |
| 19:27.42 | TC-Work | non of us are The Tod Lunessa |
| 19:27.47 | TC-Work | none* |
| 19:27.50 | olafski | or is that imitating. :< |
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| 19:28.02 | Ackis | olafski & Fisker |
| 19:28.08 | Fisker | omg Ackis ? |
| 19:28.13 | olafski | ackis fisker |
| 19:28.31 | Jamash | damn, freenode won't let me change my nick to ɹÇÊsÄ±É |
| 19:29.01 | TC-Work | why would you want to? |
| 19:29.02 | Lunessa | So... You're West Phillidelphia, born and raised? |
| 19:29.10 | Jamash | Lunessa: yes |
| 19:29.19 | TC-Work | thanks for getting that stuck in my head Lunessa |
| 19:29.24 | TC-Work | mutters @ Lunessa |
| 19:30.07 | zenzelezz | every good childhood in the nineties includes Fresh Prince |
| 19:30.11 | Lunessa | Just be glad you weren't at Sunday Night "OMG last chance to get drunk before going home" at the Marriott. |
| 19:30.35 | Computerpunk | They should hold Blizzcon everywhere. |
| 19:31.22 | Cairenn | ... I void warranties! |
| 19:31.30 | zenzelezz | you can void my warranty any day |
| 19:31.31 | Lunessa | HAHAHAHA |
| 19:31.41 | Ackis | Fisker & olafski |
| 19:31.49 | Lunessa | Slot D is for optional equipment only. |
| 19:31.58 | durcyn | as long as that doesn't involve voiding anything else, zenzelezz. |
| 19:32.04 | Cairenn | *snark* |
| 19:32.25 | zenzelezz | I'm happy to be voided, I can always be cast back to the appropriate type |
| 19:32.27 | Jamash | I'm the fresh prince of tol barad |
| 19:32.42 | Computerpunk | zenzelezz = NULL; |
| 19:32.43 | Computerpunk | :o |
| 19:32.46 | olafski | ackis ackis |
| 19:32.46 | Computerpunk | take that. |
| 19:33.00 | zenzelezz | delete Computerpunk; |
| 19:33.02 | Jamash | I'm loosely typed, if you know what I mean |
| 19:33.08 | Computerpunk | Sorry, you're using the bad operator. |
| 19:33.15 | Lunessa | I just execute at runtime |
| 19:33.21 | Lulia | There's a nice HOWTO on WoWPedia for draggable frames. Is there some such equivalent for resizable ones? |
| 19:33.34 | Computerpunk | I should be removed with free, as I have been dynamically allocated in god's memory stack. |
| 19:33.36 | durcyn | someone set the evil bit on #wowuidev |
| 19:33.50 | zenzelezz | Computerpunk: you may think so |
| 19:33.56 | DWSR | Oh god, the puns are horrible. |
| 19:33.57 | zenzelezz | but my debugger shows you're all 0xcc |
| 19:34.06 | Computerpunk | zenzelezz, you're 0xFF. |
| 19:34.06 | Jamash | durcyn: no, it's the dirty bit |
| 19:34.18 | zenzelezz | FF? What kind of silly debugger value is that? |
| 19:34.38 | Computerpunk | uninitialized. |
| 19:34.51 | zenzelezz | in which debugger/compiler? |
| 19:35.06 | Computerpunk | I've had it happen in Microsoft's. |
| 19:35.11 | Computerpunk | After free(). |
| 19:35.17 | Computerpunk | It didn't NULL out, it went to -1. |
| 19:35.20 | Computerpunk | was liek: wat. |
| 19:35.35 | Lunessa | rewrites Computerpunk in 33 lines of PERL. |
| 19:35.59 | Computerpunk | rewrites everyone in brainfuck. |
| 19:36.15 | DWSR | fucks Computerpunk's brain |
| 19:36.28 | Computerpunk | Nobody knows Brainfuck? |
| 19:36.30 | Computerpunk | lol |
| 19:37.08 | zenzelezz | we assumed you were a product of it |
| 19:37.13 | Computerpunk | :< |
| 19:37.16 | Lunessa | Cogwheel is a master of Brainfuck, but it's not a serious tool. |
| 19:37.18 | Computerpunk | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainfuck hf reading. |
| 19:37.37 | zenzelezz | brainfuck, whitespace and those are amusing, but nothing more |
| 19:38.20 | Ackis | Fisker & olafski & Shirik |
| 19:39.45 | Lulia | Hmm |
| 19:39.51 | Fisker | Ackis |
| 19:40.05 | Trela | Any one else have todays patch forcefully use the WoW Launcher instead of just opening the Blizzard Downloader, even if you have Use Launcher unchecked? |
| 19:40.10 | Trela | *today's |
| 19:40.20 | Lulia | So, I have a frame layered over another frame. Got the resize working, but since each frame has its own individual size properties, when the base frame is resized the layered frame doesn't... |
| 19:41.11 | olafski | oh noes trela you must use the launcher! not using it is stoopid!!! |
| 19:41.20 | Lunessa | Is one frame parented to the other? |
| 19:41.37 | Lulia | Yes, the layered frame is a child of the base frame |
| 19:41.48 | Lunessa | Or more correctly, is frame 2 a child of frame 1 |
| 19:42.06 | Floo | no |
| 19:42.06 | Yoshimo | there was a patch? any hint what changed? |
| 19:42.13 | Lulia | hmm, solved my own problem |
| 19:42.15 | Trela | olafski: Like when it detects my development programs as hacks. :P |
| 19:42.32 | Lulia | Instead of setting its individual size properties, I used SetAllPoints for the child frame. |
| 19:42.32 | Matt646 | Yeah 4.0.1a, I don't think there are any patch notes |
| 19:42.39 | Lulia | Sorry about that, Lunessa |
| 19:42.54 | olafski | trela: it was sarcasm, sorry :P |
| 19:42.54 | Dagmar | Maybe the Pumpkin o' Doom will be fixed |
| 19:43.08 | Trela | noms on olafski. >:3 |
| 19:43.08 | Lunessa | No worries. I'm the sort that likes to prod with a question or three that prompts you to figure it out on your own. :) |
| 19:43.21 | Computerpunk | It's not the pumpkin, it's any interactable game object. |
| 19:43.22 | olafski | trela: I got a nice speech yesterday when I said I didn't use the launcher :P |
| 19:43.39 | Floo | its not the pumpkin its cogwhell |
| 19:43.52 | Dagmar | Computerpunk: the pumpkin is the only one it's crashed for me on, and as a result the only one I give a damn about |
| 19:43.53 | Trela | olafski: I also agree with every one else that hates the DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG. OMG why the fuck is it SO LOUD? |
| 19:43.55 | DWSR | What's the colour table called? |
| 19:43.58 | Matt646 | Dagmar, I haven't had any issues with the pumpkin since I disabled hardware cursor in the video options. |
| 19:44.05 | Computerpunk | Dagmar, again, individualism. |
| 19:44.06 | DWSR | The one that defines the default class colours, power bar colours, and so forth |
| 19:44.15 | olafski | trela: oh I just have it disabled because it's an extra click :) |
| 19:44.16 | cog|work | it's all my fault! |
| 19:44.27 | Computerpunk | ^seconded. |
| 19:44.41 | Floo | DWSR there is GetColouredName function in blizzard UI |
| 19:44.49 | Dagmar | Matt646: Meh. It's not like I need tooltips in ther eanyway |
| 19:45.00 | DWSR | Floo: Not what I'm looking for. I'm looking for the colours for Mana, Rage, Holy Power, etc. |
| 19:45.27 | Computerpunk | DWSR, look in the blizz files. |
| 19:45.33 | Matt646 | Loud noises when clicking play in the launcher are not fixed, theres also a loud noise after the patch finishes installing :( |
| 19:45.34 | Computerpunk | I think it's purely hardcoded. |
| 19:45.39 | Dagmar | #008000, #800000, #S00GAy |
| 19:45.43 | DWSR | IT's not. |
| 19:45.55 | DWSR | Dagmar: There's a table. I'd like to reference the table, if possible. |
| 19:46.04 | p3lim1 | PowerBar.lua |
| 19:46.10 | Cairenn | ~ugt |
| 19:46.10 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
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| 19:46.31 | Floo | DWSR Im sure that it is in same table as color for classes |
| 19:46.36 | Fisker | ~uft |
| 19:46.45 | olafski | fisker: :D |
| 19:46.47 | Fisker | purl is a jerk that can't remember shit |
| 19:46.50 | Fisker | ~roulette purl |
| 19:46.50 | purl | ACTION watches purl pull the trigger: BANG! |
| 19:46.53 | Fisker | yeah |
| 19:47.09 | Floo | your turn |
| 19:47.14 | Floo | ~roulette Fisker |
| 19:47.14 | purl | ACTION watches Fisker pull the trigger: BANG! |
| 19:47.26 | Floo | I won ... |
| 19:47.28 | p3lim1 | rejoice! |
| 19:47.28 | Fisker | ~roulette Floo |
| 19:47.28 | purl | ACTION watches Floo pull the trigger: BANG! |
| 19:47.33 | Dagmar | DWSR: http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser/live/FrameXML/Constants.lua ? |
| 19:47.36 | Floo | Fisker you are dead |
| 19:47.42 | Floo | there is nobody else |
| 19:47.47 | Jamash | UFT is Universal Fisker Time, an imaginary system of measurement that nobody important uses. |
| 19:47.50 | Fisker | ~roulette Dagmar |
| 19:47.50 | purl | ACTION watches Dagmar pull the trigger: BANG! |
| 19:48.02 | Fisker | UGT is imaginary too Jamash |
| 19:48.17 | Fisker | and UFT really isn't a system of measurement |
| 19:48.19 | Lopeppeppy | So are you, Fisker. *wink* |
| 19:48.21 | Lunessa | So are all time-keeping systems. |
| 19:48.21 | Computerpunk | local info = PowerBarColor[self.powerName] |
| 19:48.23 | Dagmar | DWSR: Although power bar colors don't seem to be in there. They may well be hard-coded |
| 19:48.26 | Fisker | ~roulette Lopeppeppy |
| 19:48.26 | purl | ACTION watches Lopeppeppy pull the trigger: BANG! |
| 19:48.29 | Computerpunk | DWSR, local info = PowerBarColor[self.powerName]. |
| 19:48.41 | DWSR | Yeah, just saw it in LuaBrowser. |
| 19:48.42 | Floo | if I have index ... what is faster ... get index + 1 or #table ? |
| 19:48.51 | Computerpunk | Found it in AlternatePowerBar.lua |
| 19:48.57 | Fisker | so Lopeppeppy what can you do when you're dead? |
| 19:49.01 | DWSR | I'm EDITING THE TCP STREAM LIVE |
| 19:49.04 | DWSR | SO EFF THAT |
| 19:49.07 | p3lim1 | lol, got [Hallowed Helm] on a trial account /win |
| 19:49.21 | Fisker | DWSR try making a gui in visual basic to track the killers ip |
| 19:49.22 | Computerpunk | gz |
| 19:49.23 | Computerpunk | lol |
| 19:49.27 | DWSR | Fisker: lol |
| 19:49.44 | Computerpunk | Fisker, try making me a sandwich. |
| 19:49.52 | Fisker | ~roulette Computerpunk |
| 19:49.53 | purl | ACTION watches Computerpunk pull the trigger: BANG! |
| 19:49.58 | Fisker | down he goes |
| 19:49.59 | haste | Floo: if you know the index before hand that's faster, but not by much |
| 19:50.01 | Computerpunk | >_< |
| 19:50.06 | Computerpunk | stop cheaing |
| 19:50.09 | Computerpunk | ~roulette Fisker |
| 19:50.09 | purl | ACTION watches Fisker pull the trigger: BANG! |
| 19:50.09 | Fisker | ~roulette haste |
| 19:50.09 | purl | ACTION watches haste pull the trigger: BANG! |
| 19:50.14 | haste | D: |
| 19:50.17 | Computerpunk | D: |
| 19:50.19 | Computerpunk | we all dead nao. |
| 19:50.21 | Fisker | D: |
| 19:50.34 | Floo | haste yes I have itterated the table before ... |
| 19:50.34 | haste | does it even work? |
| 19:50.43 | haste | ~roulette haste |
| 19:50.43 | purl | ACTION watches haste pull the trigger: BANG! |
| 19:50.48 | Fisker | ~roulette |
| 19:50.48 | purl | ACTION watches fisker pull the trigger: Click! |
| 19:50.56 | haste | oh, tricky! |
| 19:51.00 | haste | ~roulette |
| 19:51.00 | purl | ACTION watches haste pull the trigger: Click! |
| 19:51.11 | Floo | ~roulette |
| 19:51.11 | purl | ACTION watches floo pull the trigger: Click! |
| 19:51.12 | haste | in your channel, spamming~ |
| 19:51.19 | haste | hides from Cairenn. |
| 19:51.42 | Cairenn | huggles haste |
| 19:51.43 | Fisker | sounds like haste started it |
| 19:51.58 | haste | ~lart Fisker |
| 19:51.58 | purl | gives Fisker a good seeing to |
| 19:52.02 | Floo | lua> true == "string" |
| 19:52.02 | lua_bot | Floo: false |
| 19:52.04 | Fisker | can't spell haste spams without haste |
| 19:52.29 | haste | troll physics thread yo |
| 19:52.49 | Fisker | i should become a lawyer haste |
| 19:53.07 | Fisker | is it true that you cannot spell "the defendant is guilty" without "the defendant"? |
| 19:53.17 | Fisker | ANSWER ME! *slams desk* |
| 19:53.24 | Computerpunk | lua> a = function(b) if b == 1 then return else print(a(b)) = b-1 end a(10) |
| 19:53.24 | lua_bot | Computerpunk: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near '=' |
| 19:53.29 | Computerpunk | aewtrawet |
| 19:53.34 | Computerpunk | lua> a = function(b) if b == 1 then return else print(a(b)) b = b-1 end a(10) |
| 19:53.34 | lua_bot | Computerpunk: luabot:1: 'end' expected near '<eof>' |
| 19:53.40 | Computerpunk | lua> a = function(b) if b == 1 then return else print(a(b)) b = b-1 end a(10) end |
| 19:53.40 | lua_bot | Computerpunk: No output |
| 19:53.49 | Computerpunk | lua> a = function(b) if b == 1 then return else print(a(b)) b = b-1 end end a(10) |
| 19:53.49 | lua_bot | Computerpunk: luabot:1: stack overflow |
| 19:53.54 | Computerpunk | dayum |
| 19:53.54 | Computerpunk | ;o |
| 19:54.06 | Computerpunk | oh. :D |
| 19:54.13 | Computerpunk | lua> a = function(b) if b == 1 then return else print(a(b-1)) end a(10) |
| 19:54.13 | lua_bot | Computerpunk: luabot:1: 'end' expected near '<eof>' |
| 19:54.18 | Computerpunk | I c/p mad. |
| 19:54.22 | durcyn | the bot replies to whispers. |
| 19:54.22 | foxlit | wtf is this, Protoss that actually build HTs? |
| 19:54.26 | haste | above - failure |
| 19:54.27 | Computerpunk | it does? |
| 19:54.30 | haste | it does |
| 19:54.33 | Computerpunk | haste, vodka win. |
| 19:54.45 | Fisker | http://torrentfreak.com/secret-anti-piracy-negotiations-3-strikes-and-a-taxpayer-funded-campaign-101025/ <-oh fucking gg haste |
| 19:54.50 | Computerpunk | alchohol > self control |
| 19:54.56 | p3lim1 | Computerpunk: youre looping the function |
| 19:55.06 | Computerpunk | I know. |
| 19:55.07 | Computerpunk | lol |
| 19:55.16 | Computerpunk | lua> a = function(b) if b == 1 then return else print(a(b-1)) b = b-1 end end a(10) |
| 19:55.16 | lua_bot | Computerpunk: No output |
| 19:55.45 | Computerpunk | whatever, vodka win, sleep time, bye. |
| 19:55.46 | DarthAndroid_ | try return "something" instead of return |
| 19:55.46 | Computerpunk | lol |
| 19:55.54 | Fisker | lol haste |
| 19:55.59 | Fisker | consumer hotline for how not to pirate |
| 19:56.03 | durcyn | and by 'the bot replies to whispers' i mean 'stop spamming the fucking channel' |
| 19:56.13 | Lunessa | Computerpunk - Install WoWLua on your computer if you want an interactive Lua testm m'kay? |
| 19:56.13 | Fisker | i think i'll call them up and ask them how i download from TPB since i keep getting this error message |
| 19:56.22 | Computerpunk | lol. |
| 19:56.23 | Computerpunk | ;D |
| 19:56.30 | Computerpunk | Everyone on me now. |
| 19:56.32 | Computerpunk | Byeeeeeeee. |
| 19:56.33 | Computerpunk | >_> |
| 19:56.34 | Dajova | >_> |
| 19:56.42 | haste | ~~~~~ |
| 19:56.42 | purl | grrrr |
| 19:56.52 | haste | even purl ! |
| 19:56.57 | p3lim1 | Lunessa: /run is just as good |
| 19:57.06 | Dajova | ohai |
| 19:57.21 | Lunessa | p3lim1 Indeed. And both are way the fuck better than spamming the channel. |
| 19:57.28 | p3lim1 | :D |
| 19:58.06 | Lunessa | is a jerk and will say mean things to people being stupid. |
| 19:58.12 | Floo | p3lim1 run is not good ... the editbox in wow is too short and cant be interacted with <- and -> arrows and hardly touched by mouse |
| 19:58.16 | syrae | Lunessa: jerkface |
| 19:58.36 | Lunessa | Giant, mean, vicious jerkface. |
| 19:58.45 | Dajova | Floo: just install a simple chat mod and you're good to go |
| 19:58.52 | Floo | max length is 255 chars and when you fail it will crash ... |
| 19:59.03 | p3lim1 | Floo: got an addon that hooks print() and /dump, so I wouldnt know :3 |
| 19:59.46 | p3lim1 | http://p3lim.net/wow/dev/console.jpg |
| 19:59.49 | Floo | p3lim1 still if you got while without end it will crash the game ... |
| 19:59.55 | DarthAndroid_ | Floo: Alt+left and Alt+right much? |
| 20:00.36 | p3lim1 | Floo: no it wont |
| 20:00.49 | Floo | and name of that addon? |
| 20:00.52 | p3lim1 | 'end' expected near <eof> :) |
| 20:01.05 | p3lim1 | that was actually done in /run, no addons |
| 20:01.09 | Jamash | install http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/wowlua.aspx like Lunessa JUST SAID |
| 20:01.15 | *** join/#wowuidev cralor (~cralor@c-98-217-6-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 20:01.22 | p3lim1 | http://github.com/p3lim/Console |
| 20:01.33 | Floo | p3lim1 I mean when you got endless loop |
| 20:01.36 | p3lim1 | its also an errorhandler |
| 20:01.51 | Floo | infinite |
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| 20:02.04 | p3lim1 | yeah ofcourse it will crash wow |
| 20:02.07 | Dajova | Floo: we get the point |
| 20:02.14 | p3lim1 | /run while true do end |
| 20:02.39 | Floo | 220102 p3lim1 : 'end' expected near <eof> :) --> no you dont |
| 20:02.49 | Ackis | I HAVE FABLE 3 and FORCE UNLEASHED 2!! olafski Fisker Fisker Fisker Shirik Fisker Fisker Fisker olafski |
| 20:02.54 | p3lim1 | if you exclude the end you get that error |
| 20:03.04 | Floo | btw there is channel "luabot" on this server |
| 20:03.07 | olafski | nice work ackis |
| 20:03.26 | Dajova | Ackis is a spammer, don't trust him! |
| 20:03.28 | Dajova | :x |
| 20:03.31 | Shirik | lua> "btw there is also lua_bot in this channel" |
| 20:03.31 | lua_bot | Shirik: btw there is also lua_bot in this channel |
| 20:03.59 | p3lim1 | rather pm lua_bot than joining #luabot |
| 20:04.00 | Ackis | Shirik: you have to test lua_bot by having it print out "\80\101\110\105\115" |
| 20:04.20 | Shirik | Ackis |
| 20:04.25 | Shirik | I won a Saltwater Snapjaw at blizzcon |
| 20:04.51 | *** part/#wowuidev Thaoky (Thaoky@16.157-246-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) |
| 20:04.53 | *** part/#wowuidev Limbero (~Limbero@c83-250-2-110.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 20:04.53 | Ackis | grats! |
| 20:04.56 | Floo | Ackis you remember this numbers? :) |
| 20:05.02 | Lunessa | Awww man! That's awesome. |
| 20:05.04 | Ackis | did you see Mike Gerard or Ry Schuller? |
| 20:05.05 | Kraps | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/27387364216/can-we-get-some-info-on-cata-progression-path/ |
| 20:05.09 | DarthAndroid_ | They're special numbers, how could anyone forget them? |
| 20:05.26 | Ackis | hey Shirik is your guild recruiting a competent holy priest? |
| 20:05.36 | Ackis | Floo: those numbers are win |
| 20:05.41 | olafski | no offspec ackis? :O |
| 20:05.42 | Shirik | Ackis: My guild is soon to not be my guild |
| 20:05.51 | Shirik | I also think they're a little heavy on priests atm |
| 20:05.57 | Ackis | aww |
| 20:06.07 | Ackis | olafski: shadow offspec |
| 20:06.12 | Ackis | I should make shadow mainspec |
| 20:06.12 | olafski | lame |
| 20:06.22 | olafski | I think my gf's guild might need a new priest soon >:) |
| 20:06.42 | Ackis | you're EU |
| 20:06.47 | Ackis | but your gf is kinda hot |
| 20:06.48 | olafski | yes |
| 20:06.51 | olafski | agreed |
| 20:06.51 | Ackis | blows up. |
| 20:06.53 | Ackis | :P |
| 20:06.56 | Shirik | maybe Ackis |
| 20:07.12 | syrae | wait |
| 20:07.14 | Dajova | lua> if frame.which == "CONFIRM_LOOT_ROLL" and frame.data == id and frame.data2 == rollType and frame:IsVisible() then StaticPopup_OnClick(frame, 1) end |
| 20:07.15 | lua_bot | Dajova: luabot:1: attempt to index global 'frame' (a nil value) |
| 20:07.20 | Dajova | meh :P |
| 20:07.23 | syrae | Ackis is olafski's blow up girlfriend/ |
| 20:07.27 | syrae | ? |
| 20:07.33 | olafski | ackis: I was trying to imply you should replace her :P |
| 20:07.35 | Jamash | who owns luabot? |
| 20:07.36 | olafski | (as a priest..) |
| 20:07.44 | Ackis | lol |
| 20:07.57 | Lulia | How odd... BasePowFrame:SetPoint("CENTER", "UIParent", "TOP", 0, -400); is acting differently in two different instances, even though the call is the same. |
| 20:08.01 | p3lim1 | christ, this is the 4th time Ive lost the internet connection on my win desktop today |
| 20:08.22 | Dajova | p3lim1: 384kbps? |
| 20:08.47 | Dagmar | !win |
| 20:09.19 | Lulia | I call it when the frame is initialized and it's set to the center of my screen, more-or-less. Then I place it in a reset function which is supposed to be used to reset frame size and placement to its defaults. |
| 20:09.24 | Lulia | And it doesn't move it at all. |
| 20:09.30 | p3lim | Dajova: what? |
| 20:09.42 | Ackis | I need a new server |
| 20:09.43 | Dajova | :P |
| 20:09.53 | olafski | I need a new guild |
| 20:09.58 | olafski | make me one ackis |
| 20:10.00 | olafski | a good one! |
| 20:10.01 | Dajova | just figured since its high-speed in turkey |
| 20:10.16 | Lulia | Any idea why it wouldn't work in a future call? |
| 20:10.22 | Ackis | olafski: why don't you join Fisker's guild? |
| 20:10.35 | olafski | ackis: I'm almost up to date with mad men, ain't that great!? |
| 20:10.42 | Ackis | never watched it |
| 20:10.44 | olafski | ackis: why would I do that :o |
| 20:10.57 | Ackis | you're both EU aren't you like neighbours? |
| 20:11.10 | DarthAndroid_ | Lulia: frame:IsUserPlaced() ? |
| 20:11.21 | olafski | pretty much |
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| 20:11.31 | mitchnull | lulia: you need to ClearAllPoints() before SetPoint() |
| 20:11.32 | olafski | fisker sounds like a raidboi though |
| 20:11.38 | Lulia | Hmm, that might be it, Darth |
| 20:11.39 | olafski | I don't want to be in a guild like that |
| 20:11.57 | Lulia | Alright, Mitch. Good to know, will see if that fixes the issue. Thanks you guys :) |
| 20:11.58 | Lunessa | I'm going to need more people for Grounding Totem on US Kirin Tor. |
| 20:12.17 | p3lim | Dajova: got a 15mbps fiber line |
| 20:12.26 | p3lim | and I still have connection on the laptop |
| 20:12.44 | p3lim | which is running ubuntu |
| 20:12.53 | Lunessa | p3lim is the desktop wired or wifi? |
| 20:12.55 | Dajova | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:12.58 | p3lim | wired |
| 20:13.09 | Lunessa | replace the cable? |
| 20:13.17 | p3lim | cable is fine |
| 20:13.24 | p3lim | if I reboot its fixed |
| 20:13.36 | Lunessa | That sounds like a driver problem then |
| 20:13.50 | Dajova | or a program issue |
| 20:14.00 | p3lim | been using the same driver since last format (2-3 months ago), and this started happening 2 days agoi |
| 20:14.10 | durcyn | do you have a pet? |
| 20:14.21 | p3lim | yes, but it hates this room |
| 20:15.01 | Jamash | have you checked for data poltergeists? |
| 20:15.15 | Lulia | Works perfectly. You guys are awesome. |
| 20:15.41 | p3lim | Jamash: Ghostbusters werent available |
| 20:15.41 | Dagmar | Check the cable. |
| 20:15.45 | Dajova | p3lim1: How about calling Scooby-Doo? |
| 20:15.51 | Dajova | :o |
| 20:15.51 | Dagmar | Nevermind, I keep forgetting not everyone has data cable testers. |
| 20:15.53 | p3lim | shrugs |
| 20:16.00 | Dagmar | Replace the cable with a new one |
| 20:16.03 | Dajova | is bored |
| 20:16.27 | p3lim | Dagmar: cba, its stashed behind the desk |
| 20:16.29 | Dajova | DarthAndriod_: Ya there m8? |
| 20:16.48 | Dagmar | p3lim: Oh wel, I guess you don't need to stay connected to the network then |
| 20:17.12 | p3lim | not really, if it dies I still have my laptop |
| 20:17.37 | Kraps | http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/comment/9/2010/10/8e1d3ac239a7110b8c69c5d99ba65e8e/original.png |
| 20:17.48 | Dajova | lol, i dont really see the point of having a laptop >< |
| 20:18.02 | Dajova | more than you can use it everywhere |
| 20:18.21 | p3lim | off to military service in 2 months, got the laptop about a month ago for that reason |
| 20:18.55 | Lunessa | All-in-one device with portability and power to do most things for around $1500? That's the point of a laptop. |
| 20:18.57 | p3lim | never used a laptop before, so I got it early to get used to it (and to play with linux) |
| 20:19.01 | DarthAndroid_ | Dajova: maybe |
| 20:19.14 | Kraps | p3lim: what branch? |
| 20:19.16 | p3lim | Lunessa: except mine cost like 600 |
| 20:19.19 | Dajova | well, it costs about the same as a stationary one (if not more expensive) and you cant even play wow on it :P |
| 20:19.24 | DarthAndroid_ | I'm sitting here in class while the prof explains hot to make a crippled hash map |
| 20:19.32 | p3lim | Kraps: brb getting translation |
| 20:20.05 | Lunessa | p3lim I normally think of the $1500 price-point from habit when I spec'ed them for an employer 'back in the day.' |
| 20:20.09 | Dajova | DarthAndriod_: bad boy i say! |
| 20:20.59 | Dajova | aw crap, all this talking about a laptop made me hungry >< brb! |
| 20:21.01 | p3lim | Lunessa: didnt really care for fancy expensive stuff, its able to run youtube and most of my anime collection, so I'm happy with it |
| 20:21.46 | Lunessa | That's all you need then. I'd like one for at least WoW, but I don't have a laptop at all right now. |
| 20:22.35 | p3lim | Kraps: engineering battalion |
| 20:22.48 | p3lim | engineer* |
| 20:24.02 | Jamash | I have a $1500 one that runs wow quite well |
| 20:26.07 | Lunessa | It would be kind of nice to be able to play WoW from bed, laying down - for those raids that /never fucking end/. |
| 20:26.29 | TC-Work | Lunessa: you would so fall asleep |
| 20:26.46 | Lunessa | ... point |
| 20:26.53 | TC-Work | Kraps: i picked up todays deal |
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| 20:28.45 | Kraps | RPG? |
| 20:28.51 | TC-Work | yes |
| 20:29.00 | TC-Work | at least thats what steam called it |
| 20:31.34 | Kraps | its a diablo-type according to the forums |
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| 20:35.04 | Jamash | titan quest? |
| 20:35.38 | Kraps | TC-Work: it probably would be worth more than dogfighter :( |
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| 20:39.34 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v tekkub] by ChanServ |
| 20:42.36 | TC-Work | Kraps: $5 for two full games. i would say so |
| 20:42.47 | TC-Work | Jamash: yes |
| 20:42.52 | Ackis | anyone having log in issues right now? |
| 20:43.16 | TC-Work | yes Ackis, i can log into you |
| 20:43.21 | TC-Work | s/can/can not/ |
| 20:44.30 | Ackis | wtf? |
| 20:44.30 | Ackis | lol |
| 20:45.20 | syrae | Ackis: expose more ports and we might have better luck logging in to you |
| 20:50.39 | Fisker | slaps Ackis around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:50.53 | Jamash | I like how on http://www.1up.com/do/gameOverview?cId=3140210&sec=REVIEW it says "A+" but when I click on the review it says "B-" |
| 20:50.58 | Fisker | kiss me kiss me Ackis |
| 20:51.38 | Ackis | kisses Fisker |
| 20:51.54 | Fisker | eww eww |
| 20:52.40 | Ackis | french kisses Fisker. |
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| 20:57.01 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v Cide] by ChanServ |
| 20:57.13 | Fisker | slaps Cide around a bit with a large trout |
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| 21:02.57 | Ackis | why is mazzle UI ringing bells? |
| 21:03.04 | *** join/#wowuidev ilovemrdoe (~ddd@87.113.197.136) |
| 21:03.07 | cog|work | because of the mazzlegasm |
| 21:03.42 | Jamash | is that still around? |
| 21:03.55 | Ackis | I'm afraid to google that |
| 21:05.10 | Nechckn | Did blizz not pause the AH timer on posted items during maint? I thought they did back in like late 2 or early 3 - anyone remember that? |
| 21:05.39 | DarthAndroid_ | I don't remember them pausing that o.o |
| 21:06.27 | Nechckn | there was a lot of grumbling at the time, so maybe they changed it back or only did it once or something. |
| 21:06.43 | Nechckn | goes looking for details... |
| 21:07.41 | foxlit | They never paused it |
| 21:07.53 | Xinhuan | they never paused it ever |
| 21:07.55 | Ackis | anyone thinking of starting a new wow account? |
| 21:07.58 | Nechckn | Weren't they going to, though? |
| 21:07.58 | foxlit | Auctions always tick down during maintenance; it's even in the KB. |
| 21:08.06 | Xinhuan | ackis must be looking to get a mount |
| 21:08.19 | Ackis | Xinhuan: I am |
| 21:08.25 | Ackis | but I have something to sweeten the pot |
| 21:08.30 | Xinhuan | what |
| 21:08.34 | Ackis | I have an unused vanilla and BC cd-key |
| 21:08.39 | Ackis | you get them for free |
| 21:08.52 | Xinhuan | i have an unused BC key >.> |
| 21:08.56 | Ackis | I get the refer a friend and the mount (and a month free because of it I think) |
| 21:09.13 | Xinhuan | only if your friend continues to pay for at least 1 month |
| 21:09.14 | Ackis | it's a win win |
| 21:09.19 | Xinhuan | you only get the mount at the end of the 90 days |
| 21:09.21 | Xinhuan | i think |
| 21:09.27 | Ackis | 90 or 60? |
| 21:09.43 | Xinhuan | has to reach the billing cycle where payment for first month is confirmed |
| 21:09.46 | Xinhuan | unless a timecard is used |
| 21:09.48 | Xinhuan | then its immediate |
| 21:09.58 | Ackis | yeah |
| 21:10.25 | *** join/#wowuidev sioraiocht (~tomh@unaffiliated/sioraiocht) |
| 21:10.30 | foxlit | public interface Foo<L extends Foo<L>> |
| 21:10.37 | Ackis | so Xinhuan you want to do it? :P |
| 21:10.52 | DarthAndroid_ | foxlit: recursion much? |
| 21:11.01 | Xinhuan | if i don't have to pay anything :) |
| 21:11.10 | foxlit | DarthAndroid_: it's awesome! |
| 21:11.34 | Ackis | Xinhuan: you'd have to buy 2 months of game time with a game card :P |
| 21:11.47 | Xinhuan | yeah but i don't even intend to use the account :P |
| 21:12.01 | Ackis | lol |
| 21:12.39 | Ackis | :( |
| 21:15.18 | Shirik | foxlit |
| 21:15.19 | Shirik | wtf |
| 21:15.24 | foxlit | Shirik! |
| 21:15.36 | Ackis | wtf Shirik |
| 21:16.05 | foxlit | It's actually a very cool construction. |
| 21:16.18 | foxlit | Though I don't think anyone actually intended it to work |
| 21:17.45 | Ackis | so how long til you get your ingame pet from the virtual ticket? |
| 21:17.47 | Shirik | would you care to explain its purpose? |
| 21:17.59 | Shirik | Ackis: YOU SHOULDA BEEN THERE |
| 21:18.03 | Xinhuan | its to make your head explode |
| 21:18.06 | foxlit | { public L getFoo(); } |
| 21:18.11 | Ackis | Shirik: :( |
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| 21:20.19 | foxlit | So, ordinarily, you'd do Bar implements Foo, and then bar.getFoo() would return you a Foo, not a Bar |
| 21:20.40 | foxlit | But Bar implements Foo<Bar> would get a bar.GetFoo() that returns a Bar. |
| 21:21.14 | Shirik | ... |
| 21:21.22 | Ackis | Shirik: do you have an answer for me at least? |
| 21:21.30 | Shirik | no Ackis |
| 21:21.42 | Ackis | :( |
| 21:22.12 | Shirik | foxlit, this sounds like an incredibly awful idea |
| 21:22.32 | Maldivia | foxlit: it's very useful for composition |
| 21:22.36 | foxlit | Shirik: I don't see what could possibly go wrong |
| 21:22.49 | Shirik | what do you gain? |
| 21:23.24 | Shirik | I could accept this if Java had multiple inheritance |
| 21:23.26 | Shirik | but it doesn't |
| 21:23.31 | DarthAndroid_ | foxlit: are you talking about generics in general, or the recursive loop that won't compile that you originally posted? |
| 21:23.31 | Shirik | so you're restricted to an interface |
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| 21:23.56 | foxlit | DarthAndroid_: that self-referencing generic does compile. |
| 21:23.58 | Shirik | which means you basically gain nothing because the likelihood that you're going to use Foo<T> in a polymorphic sense does not seem to be very high to me |
| 21:24.47 | DarthAndroid_ | I've actually done it a number of times |
| 21:25.05 | Shirik | Which has no bearing on what I just said |
| 21:25.14 | Shirik | The fact that something has been done does not make it a good idea |
| 21:25.14 | Lunessa | They can probably rename Archaeology to ARGHaeology |
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| 21:25.51 | Lulia | Hmm, interesting dilemma. |
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| 21:26.55 | Lulia | I'm making a separate dialog for when people want to move or resize the power frames. This is similar to the one in BarTender4 if you've ever seen that one. However, there's nothing stopping you from opening the dialog a number of times, layering them on top of one another. |
| 21:27.09 | Lulia | I created a variable to manage it, which would be set to 1 when it's vis and 0 when it's not. |
| 21:27.31 | Lulia | But every time I do /console reloadui it is, for some reason, showing that variable as set to 1 |
| 21:27.42 | DarthAndroid_ | just create one dialog, and Hide() and Show() it? |
| 21:27.47 | foxlit | Shirik: actually, it's awesomely convinient |
| 21:27.47 | alestane | I recommend using true and false if you're using Lua, but that's a different issue. |
| 21:27.50 | DarthAndroid_ | don't let the user spawn additional dialogs? |
| 21:27.56 | foxlit | The problem is that it's an interleaving of a silly amount of classes. |
| 21:28.01 | Lulia | I was using true and false but it didnt work either |
| 21:28.05 | Shirik | again, that something is convenient does not necessarily make it a good idea, either |
| 21:28.14 | alestane | But I'd guess that you're not storing that 0/1 in a place where it's being saved. |
| 21:28.22 | foxlit | What makes things a good idea? :) |
| 21:28.36 | Lulia | You know what... I think I might know what it is :) |
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| 21:28.44 | Jamash | do you have a SavedVariables line in your .toc? |
| 21:28.58 | Shirik | It offers a benefit in the cost-performance-quality triad |
| 21:29.07 | Lulia | Not yet, I'm going to add that soon. |
| 21:29.15 | Lulia | But somewhere in my script it must be setting it to 1 |
| 21:29.21 | Shirik | you could argue it will take you less time to code, but coding time is often the smallest portion of your cost |
| 21:29.25 | Shirik | maintenance is often the bigger |
| 21:29.32 | Lulia | So it won't matter if it's saved or not. I need to figure out where it's being set to 1 :-/ |
| 21:29.33 | Shirik | so does it worsen maintainability? |
| 21:29.52 | foxlit | I don't think so. |
| 21:30.31 | foxlit | Then again, the design is weird. It works, it's nice to write for, and it's clear, but it just looks so odd. |
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| 21:30.44 | Shirik | what benefit do you get out of it? |
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| 21:30.52 | Lulia | It might be better to just check for dialog visibility in the if statement, no? |
| 21:31.00 | Lulia | If it's not visible, then stuff |
| 21:31.06 | Shirik | I see nothing wrong with just writing out a getXXX |
| 21:31.48 | Jamash | I usually do stuff like this: "MyAddOn.frame = MyAddOn.frame or CreateFrame(blah)" |
| 21:31.54 | foxlit | I get compiler-level type checking. |
| 21:32.03 | Maldivia | well, why use generics at all, it's nothing but source-level sugar for a lot of casts |
| 21:32.23 | foxlit | The actual issue is that I want to be able to plug in different data structures into a single class without subclassing it. |
| 21:32.26 | Shirik | the issue is not the generic |
| 21:32.31 | Shirik | the issue is using an interface that's not really an interface |
| 21:33.02 | Shirik | You are creating a circular dependency, which means you aren't reducing coupling at all |
| 21:33.13 | foxlit | A circular dependency on what? |
| 21:33.13 | Shirik | and when you have an interface that doesn't reduce coupling, you have to begin to ask "why" |
| 21:33.33 | Shirik | Foo<Bar> depends on Bar, and Bar depends on Foo<Bar> |
| 21:33.43 | Maldivia | no |
| 21:33.46 | Shirik | yes |
| 21:33.55 | Shirik | I could even draw a diagram that would prove it |
| 21:34.09 | Jamash | I have a better solution |
| 21:34.15 | Jamash | don't use c++ |
| 21:34.18 | Shirik | it's not |
| 21:34.26 | Maldivia | Foo is defined as Foo<E extends Foo<?>> -- so no dependency on Bar |
| 21:34.31 | Shirik | it actually would be better in C++ |
| 21:34.37 | Shirik | Maldivia, that's also why I didn't say Foo depends on Bar |
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| 21:34.49 | Jamash | well then don't use whatever screwed up language it is |
| 21:34.58 | Jamash | that's borrowing misfeatures from c++ |
| 21:34.59 | Maldivia | yeah, but Foo<Bar> doesn't exist anywhere |
| 21:35.02 | Shirik | yes it does |
| 21:35.21 | Shirik | or if you want to argue that, no interface actually exists anywhere |
| 21:35.33 | Jamash | Shirik: Your face doesn't exist anywhere. |
| 21:35.42 | alestane | Lulia, if you want to make a decision based on dialog visiblity, than yes, check for whether it IS visible, not whether your program thinks it ought to be. |
| 21:35.47 | Shirik | You cannot use Foo |
| 21:35.50 | Shirik | You must specify a type |
| 21:36.11 | Shirik | this is why Foo<Bar>'s dependencies can, and must, be enumerated |
| 21:36.28 | foxlit | "You cannot use Foo" << sure you can, not that you'd want to |
| 21:36.31 | Lulia | Using the var = var or createframe() method means I have to make all of the dialog variables global |
| 21:36.37 | Shirik | eh? |
| 21:36.42 | Jamash | no you don't |
| 21:36.44 | Lulia | I couldn't find a function to check visibility, alestane |
| 21:36.54 | Lulia | If I don't make them global they'll still stack, Jamash |
| 21:36.56 | Shirik | You referring to Foo<?>? |
| 21:36.58 | Lulia | I just tested it :( |
| 21:37.06 | Jamash | no you didn't |
| 21:37.10 | Shirik | If that's the case, well, Foo<?> has no purpose in its current definition |
| 21:37.22 | Jamash | you have a global table for your addon, yes? |
| 21:37.33 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 21:37.33 | Lulia | Yes |
| 21:37.35 | Jamash | or you can even use the private one if you like |
| 21:37.35 | Fisker | i just sp1'd |
| 21:37.48 | Jamash | so globaltable.something = globaltable.something or blah blah |
| 21:38.16 | Jamash | all my functions are methods on the global table so I write self.blah = self.blah or blah blah |
| 21:38.27 | foxlit | You're welcome to just refer to Foo, without the generic. |
| 21:38.37 | alestane | frame:IsShown() or frame:IsVisible(), Lulia, depending whether you want intended or actual visibility. |
| 21:38.44 | Lulia | I've never used that syntax before, Jamash, so I don't fully understand how it works. |
| 21:38.47 | foxlit | Again, not what I'm actually doing. |
| 21:38.51 | Jamash | Welcome to WoWUIDev, where we argue about languages that are unrelated to WoW |
| 21:38.56 | Lulia | Thanks, Alestane |
| 21:39.19 | Fisker | Ackis |
| 21:39.22 | Fisker | i just sp1'd |
| 21:39.24 | Shirik | I guess you are |
| 21:39.24 | Fisker | and you will like it |
| 21:39.32 | Shirik | but that's primarily because Java is fucked up |
| 21:39.33 | Jamash | Lulia: It's equivalent to if self.blah then self.blah = self.blah else self.blah = CreateFrame(yadda yadda) end |
| 21:39.41 | alestane | I believe they both have 1/nil returns so you can just say "if frame:IsVisible() then" |
| 21:39.43 | foxlit | interface Foo<L extends Foo<L>> { public boolean op(L arg); } |
| 21:40.04 | Jamash | Java to c++: "I learned it by watching you, dad! I learned it from you!!!!eleven" |
| 21:40.07 | foxlit | which means that when Bar implements Foo<Bar>, it can be guaranteed to get a Bar in its op method |
| 21:40.10 | Lulia | I've used ors in statements before |
| 21:40.17 | Lulia | I mean the whole self syntax |
| 21:40.21 | Jamash | oh okay |
| 21:40.33 | Lulia | Or referring to a function via MyAddon:FunctionName() |
| 21:40.37 | Lulia | That's all foreign to me |
| 21:40.45 | Shirik | which gains you what? |
| 21:41.00 | Shirik | If you know about Bar (which is required to know about Foo<Bar>) then you know that Bar has an op method |
| 21:41.32 | alestane | In Lua it's actually just a shorthand: frame:IsShown() is actually exactly equal to frame.IsShown(frame), except that frame is evaluated only once if it's an expression. |
| 21:41.42 | Jamash | local t = { f = function (x) return self.multiple*x end, multiple = 3 }; print(t:f(4)) |
| 21:41.46 | foxlit | Shirik: actually, I don't know about Bar when I actually use it |
| 21:41.47 | Jamash | drrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrp |
| 21:41.51 | Jamash | lua>local t = { f = function (x) return self.multiple*x end, multiple = 3 }; print(t:f(4)) |
| 21:41.51 | lua_bot | Jamash: luabot:1: attempt to index global 'self' (a nil value) |
| 21:41.53 | foxlit | I know about <L extends Foo<L>> :) |
| 21:41.58 | Jamash | lua_bot: bite me |
| 21:41.58 | lua_bot | Jamash: luabot:1: '=' expected near 'me' |
| 21:42.03 | Jamash | oh lord |
| 21:42.09 | Maldivia | foxlit: you neeed to know about Bar, to pass a Bar to op |
| 21:42.17 | Jamash | I'm being sassed by a chatbot |
| 21:42.22 | Maldivia | foxlit: otherwise you violate the generic |
| 21:42.32 | alestane | And "function myFrame:Process(data)" is a shorthand for "myFrame.Process = function(self, data)". |
| 21:43.01 | alestane | Cairenn, I think we've got one for the topic. |
| 21:43.24 | foxlit | Maldivia: the actual code that passes a bar to op is itself generic, knowing about Bar through a generic argument. |
| 21:43.33 | Jamash | lua>local t = {}; function t:f(x) return self.multiple*x end; t.multiple = 3; print(t:f(4)) |
| 21:43.33 | lua_bot | Jamash: 12 |
| 21:43.51 | Shirik | in which case I retreat to my "maintainability" argument |
| 21:44.14 | foxlit | Shirik: it doesn't place any additional requirements on code maintenance, as far as I can see. |
| 21:44.29 | Shirik | it already sounds like it's a nightmare to think about |
| 21:44.41 | Maldivia | the main problem is, that while legal, it destroys the interface, because you can never legally call op(Foo), which the actual interface contains |
| 21:45.16 | Maldivia | defeating the purpose of an interface |
| 21:45.27 | Shirik | wait so you're saying you have a generic |
| 21:45.53 | Shirik | Somefunction<L extends Foo<L>>(L bar)? |
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| 21:46.16 | Shirik | then we want to call bar.op() |
| 21:46.29 | MoonWitch|Mobile | my laptop feels so warm, it's cold |
| 21:46.34 | Shirik | bar is a ? extends Foo<L> |
| 21:46.44 | Shirik | so bar.op(? extends Foo<L> param) |
| 21:46.59 | foxlit | Maldivia: dunno -- I mean, it's illegal to call HashSet<Set>().add(new Object()); |
| 21:47.15 | Jamash | Shirik, can you kick yourself for being off-topic? |
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| 21:47.44 | Jamash | awesome |
| 21:47.47 | Shirik | huh, I don't auto-rejoin when I kick myself |
| 21:47.49 | Jamash | ~Shirik++ |
| 21:47.52 | MoonWitch|Mobile | lol |
| 21:48.25 | MoonWitch|Mobile | you amuse me Shirik |
| 21:48.54 | alestane | Your laptop is cold, or the weather, MoonWitch|Mobile? |
| 21:49.01 | MoonWitch|Mobile | both |
| 21:49.25 | Maldivia | foxlit: well, everthing will be "simpler" when generics isn't just on the source level :P |
| 21:49.45 | Shirik | I think the interface is wrong |
| 21:49.50 | foxlit | sec |
| 21:50.01 | MoonWitch|Mobile | < going to smoke |
| 21:50.02 | Shirik | foxlit, I think if you're going to d othis at all, your parameter should be ? extends Foo<L>, not L |
| 21:50.19 | Shirik | even if the only thing that will ever extend Foo<L> is L |
| 21:50.24 | Shirik | that will reduce your dependencies |
| 21:50.31 | Shirik | or rather your coupling |
| 21:50.35 | Shirik | not really your dependencies |
| 21:50.59 | Jamash | it's like listening to people argue about religion |
| 21:51.36 | Maldivia | generics are nice, wildcard generics can be a big pain though |
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| 21:52.00 | Jamash | generics aren't actually nice |
| 21:52.02 | Cairenn | alestane: hmm? |
| 21:52.06 | Shirik | what Jamash said |
| 21:52.13 | Jamash | they're a kludge for broken languages |
| 21:52.14 | alestane | "17:42 Jamash: I'm being sassed by a chatbot" |
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| 21:53.42 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:53.47 | foxlit | You may proceed to tell me how horrible that is. |
| 21:53.58 | Jamash | huh |
| 21:54.16 | TC-Work | who uses sass anymore? |
| 21:54.19 | TC-Work | besides Jamash |
| 21:54.37 | Shirik | ~sass TC-Work |
| 21:54.43 | Shirik | apparently not purl |
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| 21:55.11 | Cairenn | raises a hand |
| 21:55.14 | Skeen | Hi everyone, can somebody give me a hint on howto read the saved variables of another addon |
| 21:55.19 | Cairenn | I'm sassy all the time ;-) |
| 21:55.33 | alestane | Damn straight. |
| 21:55.41 | Jamash | I employ anachronistic terms for enhanced linguistic effect. |
| 21:55.59 | Jamash | Skeen: look at the .toc file for the addon, see what the names of the variables are |
| 21:56.19 | foxlit | imagines a terrified Shirik. |
| 21:56.58 | Skeen | Jamash: Once I found that, just plug that into myown .toc? - and start accessing, or? |
| 21:57.05 | Jamash | noooooooooooooooooo |
| 21:57.10 | Skeen | dont kill me :o |
| 21:57.13 | Jamash | hehe |
| 21:57.32 | Skeen | teach me oh great master ^.^ |
| 21:57.40 | Jamash | once you know the name of the variable, you can access it from your addon like any other global variable |
| 21:57.57 | Jamash | you don't need to touch your toc file |
| 21:58.00 | Shirik | yes foxlit |
| 21:58.02 | alestane | Wait for the other add-on to load, then read their variable. All SavedVariables are globals. |
| 21:58.18 | Cide | what the fuck |
| 21:58.22 | Cide | apache is a prereq for php? |
| 21:58.30 | Jamash | although I could write an addon with private savedvariables if I felt like it |
| 21:58.31 | Cide | in yum |
| 21:58.38 | foxlit | If you're compiling it as an apache module? |
| 21:58.46 | Shirik | ^ |
| 21:58.51 | Cide | it's listed as a dependency when installing it through yum |
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| 21:59.04 | cralor | I have a 1&1 domain, and I want to play around with a home server. But, I want to use No-IP's (or FreeDNS, etc.) Dynamic IP clients so that my domain is always pointing to the right PC (IP). How can I utilize the domain with the DNS solution? |
| 21:59.05 | Shirik | sounds like you need some USE flags up in this joint |
| 21:59.10 | foxlit | So clearly your yum's PHP package is intended to be installed against apache :) |
| 21:59.17 | Cide | well I have another webserver |
| 21:59.18 | Cide | stupid package |
| 21:59.26 | Shirik | sounds like it's trying to install mod_php imo |
| 21:59.31 | Skeen | Jamash; I found the saved var which is Afecdb, how would I access it then in my own addon? |
| 21:59.48 | Cide | Shirik: you don't happen to have a php webserver already? |
| 21:59.58 | Jamash | wow, sounds like someone threw up into their toc file |
| 21:59.58 | Shirik | I do |
| 21:59.58 | Skeen | Jamash; It's like a table |
| 22:00.03 | Cide | wanna help? |
| 22:00.03 | Jamash | it is a table |
| 22:00.12 | Shirik | in class atm but I can with delay |
| 22:00.15 | Shirik | pm |
| 22:00.31 | Jamash | do you know what the table entries are called? |
| 22:00.45 | Skeen | yes, I've read the source of the addon |
| 22:01.03 | TC-Work | cralor: not knowing 1&1 all that well...or dyns for that matter. you are prolly going to point the hostname to whatever dyns tells you to |
| 22:01.29 | TC-Work | or whatever rerouting service you use |
| 22:01.30 | Jamash | so you can refer to Afecdb.name or Afecdb[variable containing name] or Afecdb[number] |
| 22:01.56 | Skeen | Afecdb["scale"], that seems reasonable? |
| 22:02.20 | cralor | TC-Work: ohhh i found it! |
| 22:02.30 | Jamash | yes |
| 22:02.42 | Jamash | or Afecdb.scale is an alternate syntax for the same thing |
| 22:03.18 | Skeen | can I write to it? |
| 22:03.57 | Jamash | you can, whether doing so is a good idea depends on what you're trying to accomplish |
| 22:04.04 | Skeen | right :) |
| 22:04.09 | Skeen | gonna give it a try |
| 22:04.27 | Jamash | you might break the other addon |
| 22:04.42 | Skeen | are there any issues with multiple addons reading the same thing at once? - or are addons executed on a singlethread? |
| 22:04.56 | Jamash | the ui is single-threaded, yes |
| 22:05.35 | Shadowed | (which is why you don't do a while true loop to do timing) |
| 22:05.42 | Jamash | indeed |
| 22:05.52 | cog|work | boy... paypal sure tries hard to make sure you don't use a credit card for payment. |
| 22:06.23 | Jamash | paypal wants access to your bank account, yes, my pretties |
| 22:06.30 | Maldivia | also, several threads reading at the same time is never an issue, the problem is if something is written as well :P |
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| 22:06.43 | Shadowed | god |
| 22:06.51 | Shadowed | I don't want to think how hilariously bad it would be if addons were all threaded |
| 22:06.56 | Jamash | ahahahahaha |
| 22:07.02 | cog|work | Jamash: less risk of chargebacks and no fees to the CC company |
| 22:07.38 | Jamash | cog|work: and they can scoop all your money out of your account if they feel like it |
| 22:07.40 | Skeen | a good way of checking if another addon is running? - the one I'm trying sucks |
| 22:07.57 | Maldivia | Shadowed: so multiple independantly developed plugins trying to synchronize etc... ouch |
| 22:08.04 | Shadowed | I was thinking more like |
| 22:08.13 | Shadowed | independently developed plugins by people who have very little idea of what they are doing |
| 22:08.18 | Shadowed | = hilarity |
| 22:08.24 | Maldivia | = deadlocks :P |
| 22:09.23 | Jamash | Skeen: IsAddOnLoaded(nameofaddon) |
| 22:09.33 | DarthAndroid_ | Shadowed: the coroutine library is available, isn't it? does that spawn a separate thread? |
| 22:09.40 | Jamash | I doubt it |
| 22:09.41 | Shadowed | coroutine isn't the same as threading |
| 22:09.47 | Shadowed | pretty sure at least |
| 22:09.57 | Maldivia | still only one thread |
| 22:10.02 | Skeen | Jamash: Can I use this in my events.ADDON_LOADED(addon) |
| 22:10.03 | Jamash | coroutines swap context in-place when you yield, rather than starting a second thread |
| 22:10.08 | Cide | it just jumps around to fool you |
| 22:10.09 | Jamash | yeah |
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| 22:16.45 | Shirik | actually coroutines are much more deterministic than muiltithreading |
| 22:16.52 | Shirik | which can be a very good thing ⢠|
| 22:17.40 | foxlit | "The good thing about no threading is that there is no threading"? |
| 22:17.43 | Skeen | Is there any way to check if another addon has modified a variable, without checking it each cycle? - like an event or something? |
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| 22:18.48 | Maldivia | no |
| 22:19.10 | Jamash | put a tiny man in the variable, and have him pull a string when the value changes |
| 22:19.15 | Jamash | actually yes |
| 22:19.20 | Jamash | metatables |
| 22:19.31 | Skeen | okay I'll just check it each cycle thats fine :) |
| 22:19.31 | Skeen | :p |
| 22:19.52 | Jamash | if you're checking a variable every cycle you're probably doing it wrong |
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| 22:20.16 | Skeen | how else will I know when it changes from afec? |
| 22:20.28 | foxlit | If you need to know, you're doing it wrong :) |
| 22:20.43 | Skeen | just what I needed to here :) |
| 22:20.50 | foxlit | It's the same kind of problem that Shirik presumably has with my java code. |
| 22:21.15 | Shirik | :P |
| 22:21.15 | foxlit | Sure, you could do it that way, but it's a sign that you're not doing things properly. |
| 22:21.48 | Shirik | honestly I think the answer to your problem is AspectJ, foxlit |
| 22:21.55 | Shirik | but I'm going to assume that's not an option |
| 22:22.18 | foxlit | slightly outside the scope. |
| 22:22.58 | foxlit | Life would be grand if you could construct objects from a generic. |
| 22:23.12 | Shirik | well if generics really were generics you could! |
| 22:23.14 | foxlit | i.e. Baz<L> { private L foo = new L();} |
| 22:23.40 | Jamash | Life would be grand if language designers would stop reinventing c++ |
| 22:23.45 | foxlit | But nooo -- you can't even do private L foo[] = new L[42]; or somehting |
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| 22:24.01 | Shirik | Life would be grand if we got a good aspect-oriented language |
| 22:24.46 | Cide | life would be grand if prolog ruled the world of programming |
| 22:25.08 | Skeen | uhm.. If I'm getting wow error, stack overflow, I'm doing it wrong, but is it possible to get some space on the heap? |
| 22:25.29 | Shirik | stack overflow typically implies infinite recursion |
| 22:25.29 | foxlit | Not for the stack. |
| 22:25.35 | Jamash | stack overflow means you're infinitely recursing dammit shirik |
| 22:25.51 | foxlit | Jamash: dammit shirik dammit shirik dammit shirik....? |
| 22:25.52 | Skeen | I'm loading in an avi file ^.^ |
| 22:26.01 | Jamash | no you're not |
| 22:26.05 | Shirik | ^ |
| 22:30.05 | Dagmar | If a program is reporting stack overflow, it generally means its time to buy someone a desktop calculator with really big buttons |
| 22:30.27 | Dagmar | ...so they can do their math accurately enough to make sure they allocate the proper amount of memory before reading in a long string |
| 22:31.14 | Dagmar | No wait scratch that I've got too many things going on at once here. |
| 22:31.34 | Dagmar | Still, a calculator might help 'em remember there's a need for a counter |
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| 22:32.53 | Dagmar | Imma go kill an email admin or two now. |
| 22:34.49 | Dagmar | They're going to fix their mailserver or we'll be calling them twice an hour for the rest of the night. |
| 22:36.59 | Jamash | Dagmar: http://xkcd.com/705/ |
| 22:37.15 | Dagmar | Yeah pretty much |
| 22:39.55 | Skeen | wait, they removed the: StartMovie(movieID)? >.<? |
| 22:40.00 | Lulia | This savedvariable stuff is going to drive me crazy |
| 22:40.41 | Dagmar | Skeen: I blame the 2girls1chalice addon |
| 22:40.54 | Skeen | ^^ Point |
| 22:41.18 | Lulia | heh |
| 22:42.33 | Lulia | I have a "PLAYER_LOGOUT" event with a function that does: PowerBarsDB = PowerBars; |
| 22:42.42 | Lulia | And apparently that isn't keeping the values saved. |
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| 22:43.45 | cbreak | Lulia: why? |
| 22:43.56 | cbreak | what stops you keeping your settings inside PowerBarsDB all the time? |
| 22:44.20 | Lulia | Oh, apparently it IS keeping the values saved... but it isn't restoring the values on log-in, hmm |
| 22:44.27 | cbreak | oh it is |
| 22:44.30 | cbreak | on login |
| 22:44.35 | cbreak | but not on addon loaded |
| 22:44.36 | Lulia | It was suggested to me to use a separate variable for the saved variables |
| 22:44.43 | cbreak | just wait until your own addon is loaded |
| 22:44.45 | Lulia | I used "ADDON_LOADED" for the event |
| 22:44.58 | cbreak | addon loaded is fired for each addon separately |
| 22:45.03 | Lulia | And then the function for that event is: |
| 22:45.13 | Lulia | PowerBars = PowerBarsDB or PowerBars; |
| 22:45.22 | cbreak | makes no sense |
| 22:45.32 | Lulia | I had to add the "or PowerBars" or it wouldn't work if the PowerBarsDB variable hadn't been created yet |
| 22:45.33 | cbreak | just keep it in PowerBarsDB |
| 22:45.52 | Lulia | Why not just make PowerBars my saved variable then? |
| 22:46.01 | Lulia | It wouldb e a lot more work to rename everything PowerBarsDB |
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| 22:46.08 | cbreak | do what you want. |
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| 22:46.15 | cbreak | but ONLY store saved variables inside that table |
| 22:46.17 | cbreak | nothing else |
| 22:46.24 | Lulia | Right, hmm |
| 22:48.02 | allenwc | I want to make an addon that adds a single line of info to the main item tooltip |
| 22:48.07 | Lulia | Can I make nested tables a saved variable? Like: ## SavedVariablesPerCharacter: PowerBars.Options, PowerBars.PowSet |
| 22:48.15 | allenwc | what triggers the event to tell me the tooltip opens? |
| 22:48.33 | cbreak | yes |
| 22:48.41 | foxlit | Lulia: no |
| 22:48.51 | cbreak | just make sure that it is also a global |
| 22:48.55 | Lulia | I just got conflicting answers... |
| 22:48.59 | foxlit | Yes. |
| 22:49.07 | Lulia | O.o |
| 22:49.18 | foxlit | high-fives cbreak. |
| 22:49.26 | cbreak | we're both right |
| 22:49.30 | Lulia | ... |
| 22:49.36 | Lulia | Umm |
| 22:49.40 | Lulia | Thanks. |
| 22:49.44 | foxlit | And one of us always lies? |
| 22:49.53 | allenwc | lol |
| 22:49.57 | cbreak | well, I don't |
| 22:50.04 | foxlit | Obviously you'd say that. |
| 22:50.06 | foxlit | :P |
| 22:50.16 | cbreak | yeah... |
| 22:51.29 | foxlit | Lulia: the story goes that what you list in your ##SavedVariables(PerCharacter) tag must be global variable names |
| 22:51.48 | Lulia | If it's part of my global addon table |
| 22:51.51 | foxlit | "PowerBars.Options" is not a global variable name, thus, you cannot list it in your SVs. |
| 22:51.51 | Lulia | I would imagine it's global |
| 22:51.57 | Lulia | It's not? |
| 22:52.02 | foxlit | No. Observe: |
| 22:52.04 | cbreak | but of course, tables are reference types |
| 22:52.15 | cbreak | so one table can be in many places at once |
| 22:52.16 | foxlit | lua> PowerBars = {Options = {}}; print(_G["PowerBars.Options"]); |
| 22:52.16 | lua_bot | foxlit: nil |
| 22:52.38 | cbreak | abc.def is equivalent to abc["def"] |
| 22:53.12 | foxlit | lua> PowerBars = {Options = {}}; print("PowerBars, however, is a global:", _G["PowerBars"]); |
| 22:53.12 | lua_bot | foxlit: PowerBars, however, is a global:, table: 0x9febcd8 |
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| 22:53.32 | Skeen | Skeen.displayFrame:SetScript("OnDragStop", function(self) self:StopMovingOrSizing() end) --> updates the frames pos right? |
| 22:53.55 | Lulia | alright, so I want a PowerBarsDB variable that, when the player logs out, values from PowerBars.Options and PowerBars.PowSet are saved to it, I think. The problem then is that I would have issues getting that information on log-in if it's the very first time. |
| 22:53.56 | cbreak | but you can easily make something like PowerSave = {} PowerBar = {} PowerBar["options"] = PowerSave |
| 22:54.05 | Lulia | Since PowerBarsDB will be equal to nil |
| 22:54.21 | cbreak | just wait until your addon is loaded |
| 22:54.31 | cbreak | then your variables will be available |
| 22:54.41 | Lulia | I used the "ADDON_LOADED" event before, and I got issues with my variables being nil |
| 22:54.47 | cbreak | a long time ago there was also a saved variables loaded event |
| 22:54.48 | Lulia | Because it was the first time |
| 22:54.52 | cbreak | not sure if blizz removed that |
| 22:54.57 | Lulia | So the values hadn't been created in the saved variables. |
| 22:55.02 | cbreak | which addon loaded? |
| 22:55.04 | cbreak | yours? |
| 22:55.12 | Lulia | It was just the "ADDON_LOADED" event |
| 22:55.13 | cbreak | that event is sent many many times, once for each addon |
| 22:55.22 | cbreak | you have to check if yours is the one that was loaded |
| 22:55.28 | cbreak | if it is not, of course yours is not loaded |
| 22:55.29 | Lulia | So it would fire many times, and by the last time it should have loaded mine |
| 22:56.02 | Matt646 | one of the arguments to ADDON_LOADED is the name of the addon, just check that |
| 22:56.24 | Lulia | events have arguments?? O.o |
| 22:56.28 | cbreak | or if you can do it lazily, wait until player entering world, or the global loaded event |
| 22:56.30 | cbreak | of course. |
| 22:56.38 | cbreak | they would be rather pointless without :) |
| 22:56.47 | cbreak | imagine chat message events witout the message :) |
| 22:56.48 | Lulia | >.> |
| 22:56.53 | Matt646 | http://www.wowpedia.org/Events/A#ADDON_LOADED |
| 22:56.57 | cbreak | rather quiet conversation |
| 22:56.58 | Lulia | I dont know how to access the argument |
| 22:57.18 | cbreak | it's a parameter to your handler |
| 22:57.20 | cog|work | http://www.wowpedia.org/Handling_events |
| 22:58.10 | cbreak | From the newest blue post on mmochamp: "# Mousing over objects that generate a cogwheel should no longer cause the client to freeze or disconnect." |
| 22:58.16 | cbreak | cog|work, you're famous. |
| 22:58.18 | Matt646 | Just pass the event and vararg to your handler and select the arg from vararg |
| 22:58.27 | cog|work | as opposed to before? |
| 22:58.30 | cog|work | :P |
| 22:58.31 | Matt646 | ;p |
| 22:58.36 | Dajova | yo again... anyone here uses WeakAuras? |
| 22:59.02 | cog|work | also you forgot an I and an N |
| 22:59.09 | cog|work | ;) |
| 22:59.33 | cbreak | Matt646: no need to use ... |
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| 22:59.52 | Lulia | Well, let's see. It's probably due to my not fully understanding handlers. When I create a handler function I put in "frame" and "event" as parameters, ex: local function DoSavedVars(frame, event) |
| 22:59.57 | Lulia | Is the argument stored in event? |
| 23:00.00 | cbreak | a simple handler = function (frame, event, addon) should do |
| 23:00.02 | cog|work | no |
| 23:00.08 | cog|work | they're extra arguments |
| 23:00.14 | cog|work | after frame and event |
| 23:00.26 | Lulia | I see. Alright, that makes sense. |
| 23:00.38 | Lulia | What's the point of frame and event then? I never use them inside the function itself. |
| 23:00.45 | cbreak | sure they are |
| 23:00.45 | Matt646 | cbreak, aren't there some events with variable arguments though? I guess in this case you could just pass the first one (addonname) directly though. |
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| 23:01.00 | cbreak | you use event to find out which event you have to handle |
| 23:01.04 | cbreak | and frame for which frame it was sent |
| 23:01.21 | cbreak | Matt646: sure. but addon loaded is not one of those. |
| 23:01.24 | allenwc | what event handler is for mousing over items? |
| 23:01.25 | cog|work | so you can use the same function for multiple frames |
| 23:01.45 | cbreak | allenwc: no event, widget handler afaik |
| 23:01.56 | cbreak | if you mean frames with items |
| 23:02.08 | Lulia | I see, that makes sense :) |
| 23:02.10 | Skeen | Can one do: value = frame:GetAttribute("TOPLEFT") or something to get x and y of a frame |
| 23:02.24 | cog|work | !api getpoint |
| 23:02.24 | lua_bot | Region:GetPoint: Returns information about one of the region's anchor points (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Region/GetPoint) |
| 23:02.25 | Lulia | Thanks |
| 23:02.46 | allenwc | I mean, when a user mouses over an item in their inventory, a ItemTooltip frame opens up |
| 23:02.52 | Lulia | The addon name that is passed, is it the name of the folder, or the name I gave it that's shown in the addonlist when you log on? |
| 23:03.06 | allenwc | widget handler, looking |
| 23:03.35 | cog|work | allenwc: item buttons have an OnEnter function that shows the tooltip |
| 23:03.36 | cbreak | allenwc: http://www.wowpedia.org/Widget_handlers |
| 23:03.58 | allenwc | checking it now, thank you |
| 23:04.06 | Dajova | !api GetLimit |
| 23:04.07 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'GetLimit'. |
| 23:04.12 | Dajova | hmm |
| 23:08.01 | allenwc | do you know of an example addon that adds something to the tooltip that is relatively simple? |
| 23:09.20 | allenwc | sorry, gotta run |
| 23:09.28 | Lulia | You guys have been a ton of help so far. So thank you :) |
| 23:09.32 | foxlit | In unrelated awesomeness, http://xkcd.com/246/ |
| 23:09.57 | Matt646 | How's that unrelated? ;p |
| 23:10.12 | Lulia | lol |
| 23:10.19 | brandonjviles | sup lul |
| 23:11.07 | Trela | ~interface |
| 23:11.07 | purl | i guess interface is done well, but the documentation and support on the opensource side is terrible |
| 23:11.10 | Trela | D: |
| 23:11.15 | Lulia | Hey there, Brandon |
| 23:11.28 | Trela | What is the link or purl command to get the link to the interface download? :P |
| 23:11.30 | Lulia | Alright, well, the saved vars are saving correctly, but they're still not loading up. |
| 23:11.37 | Lulia | I might end up pulling out myh air over this. |
| 23:11.57 | Lulia | hair* |
| 23:12.00 | Trela | !interface |
| 23:12.42 | foxlit | ~framexml |
| 23:12.42 | purl | Download FrameXML code/art from http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?locale=en_US&articleId=21466 ; or view it online at http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source , http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser or http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml |
| 23:12.43 | Lulia | local function DoSavedVars(frame, event, addon) if addon == "PowerBars" then PowerBars.Options = PowerBarsDB.Options; PowerBars.PowSet = PowerBarsDB.PowSet; end end |
| 23:13.06 | Trela | Thank you. :3 |
| 23:13.57 | Lulia | I've tried both "PowerBars" and "Power Bars", so I can only imagine I'm somehow accessing the event improperly in some fashion. |
| 23:16.13 | Lulia | stews, |
| 23:19.30 | Lulia | explodes and dies. |
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| 23:22.48 | Lulia | Alright, with some debugging help, I know I have the name of my addon correct |
| 23:23.51 | Lulia | So something about my PowerBars.Options = PowerBarsDB.Options isn't working. |
| 23:24.03 | Lulia | same with PowerBars.PowSet = PowerBarsDB.PowSet |
| 23:29.20 | DarthAndroid_ | Lulia: I assume already that you're waiting to execute that when ADDON_LOADED for your addon fires. Have you considered just working out of the SavedVariable directly, instead of copying to your main variable? |
| 23:29.54 | Lulia | That would be a lot of editing of my code :-/ |
| 23:30.06 | Lulia | And yes, I event added a chat frame message to make sure it was firing correctly |
| 23:30.17 | Lulia | The event fires fine and it passes through an if statement to check for my addon |
| 23:30.19 | Dagmar | Well, if you were using hte wrong approach from the get-go, that might require a lot of rewriting |
| 23:30.30 | DarthAndroid_ | Dagmar: it's not necessarily wrong |
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| 23:30.48 | DarthAndroid_ | just trying to remove variables that are potentially uncessary complication |
| 23:30.58 | Lulia | I'm trying to understand how having a separate saved variable is necessarily wrong. |
| 23:31.16 | Dagmar | It being needless is part of it. |
| 23:31.19 | DarthAndroid_ | have you confirmed that PowerBarsDB.Options[something] exists when you try to copy it? |
| 23:31.33 | DarthAndroid_ | Lulia: you are supposed to have a separate saved variable than your main |
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| 23:31.44 | Dagmar | Your saved info just magically survives between sessions, afaik |
| 23:31.44 | Lulia | Right |
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| 23:31.53 | DarthAndroid_ | Dagmar: it doesn't |
| 23:32.38 | Lulia | That's why my variable is separate. I guess I could fold all of my code so that the options and powset are part of the saved variable instead |
| 23:32.49 | DarthAndroid_ | well |
| 23:32.51 | DarthAndroid_ | before we do that |
| 23:32.55 | Lulia | But it seems like it would be important to know how to access a saved variable on addon_load if need be |
| 23:33.12 | DarthAndroid_ | have you confirmed that the saved variable contains data, before you copy it to the main variable? |
| 23:34.22 | Dagmar | DarthAndroid_: How so? I was pretty sure htat once you've given the tip-off to the TOC file and don't try and use them until after the addon has loaded, you're done |
| 23:34.25 | Lulia | Well, it does in the file |
| 23:34.35 | Lulia | But I'm tesing it in the script via an if statement |
| 23:34.36 | DarthAndroid_ | Dagmar: oh true |
| 23:35.21 | DarthAndroid_ | Lulia: print(PowerBarsDB.Options[somekey]) ? |
| 23:35.21 | Shirik | Cide |
| 23:35.22 | Shirik | seriously |
| 23:35.30 | Shirik | I reiterate, python is an awful language |
| 23:35.38 | Cide | why? |
| 23:35.43 | Dagmar | hehe |
| 23:35.45 | TC-Work | hisses @ Shirik |
| 23:35.49 | Shirik | Why the hell is 2.7 incompatible with code written for 2.6 |
| 23:35.58 | Cide | because 2.7 is the backport of 3.0x |
| 23:36.00 | Dagmar | It's confliced about whether or not it wants to be a C library |
| 23:36.09 | Cide | which is "removing the old cruft" |
| 23:36.20 | Cide | why do you need python 2.7? |
| 23:36.24 | Shirik | I don't |
| 23:36.29 | Cide | then why do you care? :P |
| 23:36.31 | Shirik | I'm just like "it's the curent version" |
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| 23:36.37 | Cide | 3.x is the current version |
| 23:36.43 | Shirik | ok it's the current 2.x |
| 23:36.46 | Cide | 2.7 is a "special" backport version |
| 23:36.55 | Shirik | I could understand if 2.x was not compatible with 3.x |
| 23:36.56 | Cide | with mostly 2.x syntax |
| 23:36.58 | Shirik | but 2.6 to 2.7 |
| 23:37.01 | Lulia | Confirmed, I have access to the variable |
| 23:37.10 | Shirik | ok so why don't they call it something awesome like "2.6, 3 edition" |
| 23:37.12 | Cide | well 2.7 is 3.x features backported |
| 23:37.16 | Lulia | And yet the equal statement to set one variable to another doesn't work... |
| 23:37.21 | Cide | but keeps most of the syntax |
| 23:37.34 | Cide | don't use it unless you're planning on migrating to 3.x or start development with it from the start |
| 23:37.41 | Lulia | Maybe it is being set and then set to something else after... |
| 23:37.42 | Lulia | hmm |
| 23:37.43 | Shirik | I can't anyway :) |
| 23:37.53 | Cide | well stop calling the language awful then :P |
| 23:37.54 | Dagmar | DarthAndroid_: Whew. You had me worried there for a moment. I thought there was some sinister method to storing them I'd overlooked |
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| 23:38.01 | Cide | 3.x is much better than 2.x though |
| 23:38.06 | Shirik | still not an option |
| 23:38.12 | Cide | but I have next to none experience with it because django doesn't support 3.x yet |
| 23:38.21 | Shirik | oh |
| 23:38.27 | DarthAndroid_ | Dagmar: I was specifically referring to the .toc, as opposed to randomly writing values into a global and expecting them to be there next time :P |
| 23:38.27 | Shirik | I was dreaming up a programming language the other day |
| 23:38.30 | Shirik | I should run it by you |
| 23:38.34 | Shirik | it had some pretty neat features |
| 23:38.35 | Cide | doit |
| 23:38.44 | Cide | clearly we should make it |
| 23:38.48 | Cide | and implement it in python |
| 23:39.04 | Dagmar | DarthAndroid_: OH come now. Hehehe. Think about what the over-time effect on the client would be if it just stored any old globals you set, indefinitely. ;) |
| 23:39.08 | Shirik | I don't think it would be possible to implement in python |
| 23:39.11 | DarthAndroid_ | Shirik: OOH! I want it to change syntax incompatibly every 3 minor revisions. Can you do that? |
| 23:39.12 | Lulia | DarthAndroid: It is setting it correctly. For some reason the values are being reset outside of that function though |
| 23:39.30 | Lulia | I can't think of why it would do that, the default settings (to initialize if no values are present) comes before the function |
| 23:39.58 | DarthAndroid_ | don't init all the time, just if a key variable is missing |
| 23:40.23 | DarthAndroid_ | i.e. if PowerBarsDB.Options.version == nil then ...init... end |
| 23:40.41 | DarthAndroid_ | and init code would always stick the proper version in there |
| 23:40.45 | Cide | Shirik: why not? |
| 23:41.21 | DarthAndroid_ | Dagmar: You know that, and I know that, but I've met some pretty idiotic programmers before. |
| 23:41.29 | Dagmar | hehe |
| 23:41.48 | Shirik | Cide: It's really real-time safety-critical oriented |
| 23:41.55 | Shirik | which I don't think Python qualifies for |
| 23:42.36 | Lulia | I did "if not PowerBars.PowSet then stuff end" |
| 23:42.38 | Cide | well python could implement a compiler for it |
| 23:42.39 | Lulia | Same for Options |
| 23:42.46 | Cide | doesn't have to run in python! |
| 23:42.48 | Shirik | ok true |
| 23:44.31 | Shirik | actually |
| 23:44.42 | Shirik | nltk might be a good python library to use for it :P |
| 23:44.51 | DarthAndroid_ | Lulia: you should check against the saved variable because of how pointers work |
| 23:45.00 | Cide | not familiar with it |
| 23:45.05 | Shirik | it's a parsing library |
| 23:45.07 | Cide | is that what you use for your language stuff? |
| 23:45.10 | Shirik | yes |
| 23:45.11 | Lulia | Changing it to such right now |
| 23:45.23 | DarthAndroid_ | i.e., if not PowerBarsDB.Options then ... init PowerBarsDB.Options... end; PowerBars.Options = PowerBarsDB.Options |
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| 23:51.17 | Lulia | hmm |
| 23:51.54 | Lulia | that's odd |
| 23:52.14 | DarthAndroid_ | what? |
| 23:52.16 | Lunessa | Anyone used Smuxi for IRC? Love/hate/want to destroy the users? |
| 23:52.29 | DarthAndroid_ | irssi <3 |
| 23:52.46 | DarthAndroid_ | irssi+screen <3 |
| 23:53.18 | Torhal | weechat+screen |
| 23:53.27 | Wobin | Quassel |
| 23:53.28 | Hirsute | I miss my irssi+screen, if nothing else, for the automated sending of backscrolling. |
| 23:53.36 | Wobin | Hirsute: ^ |
| 23:53.49 | *** join/#wowuidev airtonix (~airtonix@unaffiliated/airtonix) |
| 23:53.49 | DarthAndroid_ | 'tis why I never gave it up :) |
| 23:53.53 | Lulia | So I moved the initialization of the variables inside the addon_load event. I have a statement check to see if PowerBarsDB is nil, if it is, then it runs the initialization stuff for PowerBars. Otherwise it loads up PowerBars.Options and PowerBars.PowSet with stuff from PowerBarsDB |
| 23:53.59 | Wobin | I run Quassel core on my netbook at home |
| 23:53.59 | Lulia | However, I'm getting an error popup |
| 23:54.07 | Wobin | and connect to it wherever for full backlog etc |
| 23:54.10 | Gnarfoz | if I want to use a variable as an array, do I have to do "local blah = {}" or is "local blah" & later on "blah[1]=2" enough? |
| 23:54.13 | DarthAndroid_ | Lulia: install bugsack |
| 23:54.15 | Lulia | Which tells me that a reference, later in the script, to PowerBars.Options is nil |
| 23:54.31 | DarthAndroid_ | Gnarfoz: local blah = {} |
| 23:54.36 | Lulia | It's like it's treating PowerBars as a local variable in the function |
| 23:54.42 | Lulia | But it's not a local, I made sure it wasnt |
| 23:54.52 | DarthAndroid_ | you could do it local blah, then blah = {}, then you can blah[1] =2 |
| 23:54.53 | Wobin | Lulia: perhaps if you pastey your code |
| 23:54.55 | Gnarfoz | that's what I thought, just checking, if I'm sane |
| 23:54.55 | Hirsute | Wobin: That requires you to run the "core" or host on a machine that's connectible by the clients, though, right? |
| 23:55.00 | Wobin | Hirsute: yes |
| 23:55.05 | Gnarfoz | (before I go bugfixing other people's addons) |
| 23:55.10 | Lulia | That's a lot of script to share :P |
| 23:55.14 | DarthAndroid_ | Lulia: is PowerBars also a saved variable? |
| 23:55.21 | Lulia | No |
| 23:55.27 | *** join/#wowuidev TMc51 (~TMc@cpe-74-71-49-62.twcny.res.rr.com) |
| 23:56.40 | Hirsute | Wobin: Then it won't work for me. The reason my irssi+screen stopped being viable is because my ISP at home (my University) blocked pretty much everything inbound except 443 and explicitly told me not to try to run servers over that port, and if they thought I was, they'd turn off my connection entirely. |
| 23:56.43 | Hirsute | :( |
| 23:57.14 | DarthAndroid_ | ouch |
| 23:57.17 | Wobin | Lulia: that's fine, you can pastey the relevant parts if you want, but it's hard otherwise to get an idea of what could be wrong just from describing it |
| 23:57.20 | DarthAndroid_ | get a shellhost? |
| 23:57.23 | Wobin | Hirsute: sucks =( |
| 23:57.42 | airtonix | i like |
| 23:57.44 | airtonix | to |
| 23:57.51 | airtonix | intersperse my |
| 23:57.58 | airtonix | sentences |
| 23:57.58 | Lulia | http://paste.wowace.com/2695/ that's the function that all of it is done in |
| 23:58.00 | airtonix | across |
| 23:58.04 | airtonix | fifty lines |
| 23:58.15 | DarthAndroid_ | airtonix: good to |
| 23:58.17 | DarthAndroid_ | hear |
| 23:58.18 | DarthAndroid_ | that |
| 23:58.18 | Dagmar | Hirsute: Your college is run by assholes. My condolences. |
| 23:58.18 | Lulia | It errors on the first reference to that variable: BasePowFrame:SetMovable(PowerBars.Options.IsMove); |
| 23:58.26 | Lulia | Presumably it would error on any references. |
| 23:58.34 | airtonix | DarthAndroid_, please die in a fire |
| 23:58.35 | A-KO | Hirsute: I'd argue that your money funds them and you should be able to use the internet connection as you please |
| 23:58.36 | A-KO | :P |
| 23:58.40 | Lulia | For some reason it isn't seeing that variable outside the function in which it's initialized. |
| 23:58.46 | Wobin | wait |
| 23:58.51 | Wobin | oh |
| 23:58.53 | Dagmar | I am guessing that school doesn't have a lot of CompSci people. |
| 23:58.57 | Hirsute | DarthAndroid_: Very limited discretionary funds, and WoW takes precedence over my irc preferences at the moment. |
| 23:59.10 | airtonix | o.O |
| 23:59.13 | A-KO | Dagmar: It's more than likely being run by some guy who wants a gig-e link to the net to himself :P |
| 23:59.20 | A-KO | while making the students get as little bandwidth as possible ;) |
| 23:59.26 | airtonix | YES |
| 23:59.29 | Dagmar | A-Ko: That's possible. |
| 23:59.29 | airtonix | thats me |
| 23:59.34 | Wobin | Lulia: yeah, we'll need the whole script =P |
| 23:59.56 | Lulia | http://paste.wowace.com/2696/ |
