| 00:03.14 | syrae | I killed the channel! |
| 00:03.19 | syrae | Dance time! |
| 00:03.22 | syrae | o// |
| 00:03.24 | syrae | \\o |
| 00:04.49 | Kraps | adys: yo |
| 00:04.55 | Kraftman | quick and dirty? i think thats the most excitement the channel has had |
| 00:05.27 | adys | kraps? |
| 00:05.48 | Kraps | adys: whens the new mmoc look going live? |
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| 00:05.52 | adys | dunno |
| 00:05.56 | adys | and i got a flight to catch |
| 00:06.22 | Kraps | blizzcon? |
| 00:06.25 | adys | yes |
| 00:06.34 | Kraps | take pictures! |
| 00:06.45 | Kraps | and post them online! |
| 00:07.03 | adys | of my genitalia? |
| 00:07.05 | adys | just google it |
| 00:07.37 | Humbedooh | googles... |
| 00:07.44 | Humbedooh | is saddened |
| 00:07.58 | Humbedooh | comforts adys |
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| 00:10.03 | Thunder_Child | i should have some good ones in here 29 hours from now |
| 00:10.42 | kd3|netbook | mm... UI dinner |
| 00:11.39 | Thunder_Child | indeed |
| 00:12.09 | Thunder_Child | phone cam (8pm) + dropbox + IRC |
| 00:12.21 | Thunder_Child | nearlt instant photo sharing |
| 00:12.24 | Thunder_Child | nearly* |
| 00:12.25 | syrae | Yssaril: never mind. I just realized there's still no way to know flying vs. ground mounts unless you go swimming. Heh |
| 00:12.34 | Thunder_Child | 8mp* |
| 00:13.17 | syrae | "In order for this mount addon to work, you must have your character swim in any body of water for X seconds." <-- most hilarious dependency ever |
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| 00:21.21 | solocommand | just spent a good 40 minutes digging through the interface art looking for the new currency icons before I remembered that it wouldnt have the new patch data :F |
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| 00:44.12 | Synycyl | fellow addon devs... i had to wipe and reload and lost my favorites... can someone link me to the frame xml reference? I cannot seem to locate it |
| 00:44.52 | Shirik | ~framexml |
| 00:44.52 | purl | Download FrameXML code/art from http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?locale=en_US&articleId=21466 ; or view it online at http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source , http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser or http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml |
| 00:45.03 | Shirik | and |
| 00:45.05 | Shirik | ~wowprogramming |
| 00:45.06 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, wowprogramming is World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons - http://is.gd/7A3Jx - a book written by Cladhaire (jnwhiteh) and Gazmik, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 00:48.53 | Thunder_Child | and |
| 00:48.55 | Thunder_Child | ~shirik |
| 00:48.55 | purl | it has been said that shirik is "If I had to sum up my life, I'd have to say, the one thing I hate doing is nothing." --Shirik |
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| 00:53.18 | adys | taxi is here |
| 00:53.21 | adys | see you guys at blizzcon |
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| 00:54.29 | Thunder_Child | adys: meh |
| 00:54.36 | Thunder_Child | adys: before nublet |
| 00:55.36 | Synycyl | Can anyone point me to a good place to learn how to use virtual frames dynamically? |
| 00:56.00 | Synycyl | From reading them they almost feel like they would be the equivalent of a class, but there isn't any extensive documentation |
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| 01:03.14 | DWSR | "Virtual frames"? |
| 01:03.49 | DWSR | all frames are just tables. |
| 01:04.03 | DWSR | So is a virtual frame just a table? |
| 01:05.38 | Synycyl | basically i wanted a "template" frame |
| 01:06.04 | DWSR | That's easy, just clone a frame. |
| 01:06.26 | DWSR | Create a frame with the attributes you want, copy to your hearts content. |
| 01:08.30 | DWSR | nevcairiel: ping. |
| 01:10.28 | Synycyl | i will look at that... i only need the frame copied per profession and updated so its not a big deal... just trying to pull my addon to the new patch |
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| 01:22.26 | cralor | http://pastey.net/141899 - 'cannot concatenate 'target' (a nil value)' |
| 01:23.09 | kd3|netbook | make sure you're getting the right param from ... |
| 01:23.26 | cralor | it's 'destName' param. |
| 01:23.32 | cralor | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_COMBAT_LOG_EVENT |
| 01:24.27 | cralor | which is why I am confused ;P |
| 01:26.20 | cralor | any suggestions? |
| 01:27.18 | Seerah | cralor: what does /eventtrace tell you? |
| 01:27.45 | cralor | arg XD is there any way to test with w/o having to get someone killed? :P |
| 01:27.50 | Tuller | synycyl: so you mean CreateFrame('FrameType', 'FrameName', FrameParent, 'FrameTemplate')? :P |
| 01:28.23 | Tuller | ex CreateFrame("Frame", "ActionButtonOverlay"..numOverlays, UIParent, "ActionBarButtonSpellActivationAlert"); |
| 01:28.26 | Seerah | cralor: you're just looking for SPELL_CAST_START not a dead event ;) |
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| 01:28.58 | cralor | 'if (spell == resname) then' |
| 01:28.58 | Shadowed | Battleground and arena are good for testing spell stuff fyi |
| 01:29.15 | cralor | i guess i could temp. take that out |
| 01:29.22 | Seerah | or that |
| 01:29.40 | Seerah | though you don't even need to complete your spell cast to see what SPELL_CAST_START fires with :) |
| 01:29.50 | cralor | ya true |
| 01:30.55 | cralor | well I just simply put it before the if. |
| 01:30.59 | cralor | and i got the same error. |
| 01:31.02 | cralor | lets see eventtrace |
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| 01:32.14 | cralor | hmm |
| 01:32.14 | Shadowed | What's the error? |
| 01:32.24 | cralor | 'cannot concatenate 'target' (a nil value)' |
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| 01:32.32 | Shadowed | Have like 5m hefore I'm at hotel thought :p |
| 01:32.56 | Seerah | Shadowed: he's getting nil supposedly for the destName arg of CLEU |
| 01:32.57 | KarlKFI | Fight The Rain! http://bestc.am/yrfb |
| 01:32.58 | cralor | http://pastey.net/141899 |
| 01:33.19 | Shadowed | You are probably trying to catch the combat log spell cart event for red which doesn't give you destname or destguid last I looked |
| 01:33.51 | Seerah | he means cast event for res, btw :) |
| 01:33.54 | Shadowed | Can only find Res target if you casted it |
| 01:34.07 | cralor | so it has to be Spell end? |
| 01:34.15 | Shadowed | What? |
| 01:34.16 | Seerah | whatever CLEU gives you |
| 01:34.25 | cralor | so do i have any options |
| 01:34.39 | Shadowed | Pretty Sue, hard to check but catching Res stuff sucks |
| 01:34.52 | cralor | I do mean casting with my player |
| 01:34.55 | Shadowed | You want your resses or all? |
| 01:34.59 | cralor | mine |
| 01:35.33 | Shadowed | Use the normal spell cast events not CLEU? |
| 01:35.39 | cralor | basically, Seerah, it's like the Rez Macro you recently helped with, just more complex, so I want it in an AddOn |
| 01:35.46 | cralor | Shadowed: ok |
| 01:35.54 | cralor | forgot about that. |
| 01:35.56 | Shadowed | GUID shouldn't be an issue |
| 01:36.00 | Seerah | yeah, if it's just for your casts, you don't need CLEU |
| 01:36.05 | cralor | kk |
| 01:36.10 | Shadowed | Since player names are unique |
| 01:36.31 | Shadowed | I should get an award for answering a question in a cab! |
| 01:36.42 | Shadowed | Got to go |
| 01:36.50 | cralor | hehe c ya thanks |
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| 01:45.22 | Moonwitch | mmm Sony Ericcson X10 or HTC Legend :*( |
| 01:49.59 | Thunder_Child | all depends on what you want it for |
| 01:50.21 | Thunder_Child | also 'mmm' and ':*(' dont usually go together |
| 01:50.38 | Moonwitch | being on the road and being able to keep track of emails, twitter, irc if possible |
| 01:50.54 | Moonwitch | and NOT being a win mo phone (I am about ready to flush mine) |
| 01:51.08 | Moonwitch | well it was supposed to be hmmm |
| 01:51.24 | Thunder_Child | i just got a droid X |
| 01:51.24 | Moonwitch | as in a sound you make when you're unsure |
| 01:51.24 | Thunder_Child | quite happy with it |
| 01:51.38 | Moonwitch | upside of legend : android 2.1 .. upside of x10 : 8MP cam |
| 01:53.55 | Moonwitch | i would love the desire hd or evo 4g but those are way out of my price range lol |
| 01:56.07 | Moonwitch | Thunder_Child: we don't have motorola here (at least not since the first razrs |
| 01:57.18 | Shirik | http://www.labnol.org/internet/wikipedia-printed-book/9136/ |
| 01:57.53 | Thunder_Child | Moonwitch: well mine has both an 8mp cam and android 2.2, and i can tell you i use the OS a lot more than the camera. though software gets upgraded.... |
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| 02:00.28 | Moonwitch | true |
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| 02:06.23 | Arrowmaster | ok i think im all packed for 6 hours from now, got my luggage by the front door and my borrowed laptop packed away in my backpack |
| 02:07.15 | Arrowmaster | the downside is i have to be up at 4:30am to head to the airport but i cant usually fall asleep before at least 1am but more like 2am |
| 02:07.42 | Shirik | don't give me this crap Arrowmaster |
| 02:07.55 | Shirik | I have to leave my house at like 2-3 AM |
| 02:08.14 | Arrowmaster | so you can just stay up then sleep on the plane! |
| 02:09.17 | Seerah | we get to sleep in until 8:00! :) |
| 02:09.31 | Seerah | maybe 7:30 |
| 02:10.05 | TMc51 | Are any of you guys ytraveling from the east coast? |
| 02:10.15 | Arrowmaster | my carry on is extremely bare for what i used to take with me on flights |
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| 02:10.27 | Arrowmaster | does midwest count as east coast? |
| 02:10.27 | Seerah | you're not carrying on everything? |
| 02:10.37 | TMc51 | Arrowmaster: Nope =\ |
| 02:10.48 | Arrowmaster | no i dont have a proper sized bag to do that Seerah |
| 02:11.04 | TMc51 | I'm trying to get some idea of what plane costs would cost me if I manage to get tickets next year. |
| 02:11.05 | Seerah | hmm... baggage fees vs. new suitcase.... |
| 02:11.13 | Seerah | heh |
| 02:11.15 | Seerah | :) |
| 02:11.28 | Seerah | totally non-predictable :) |
| 02:12.05 | Moonwitch | good luck |
| 02:12.18 | Moonwitch | I do expect *some* people to keep us posted via twitter ;) |
| 02:12.25 | Arrowmaster | fuck twitter |
| 02:12.42 | Moonwitch | that's hard to do since I am female and do not own a device with which to fuck |
| 02:13.04 | Moonwitch | I could however purchase such device at some point ... but I'd rather spend money on other things |
| 02:14.15 | Seerah | sighs :) |
| 02:14.28 | Seerah | I'll put stuff up on FB, Moonie |
| 02:15.05 | Moonwitch | that's ok too :) |
| 02:15.07 | Moonwitch | thank you |
| 02:18.42 | Moonwitch | well I am off to bed now :) |
| 02:18.53 | Moonwitch | gotta get up in a few hours to apply for an obscure job |
| 02:20.27 | Kraps | is there an ipod emulator for pc? |
| 02:26.06 | Yssaril | syrae: libmounts takes a whole bunch of factors into account :) |
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| 02:35.28 | Kraps | "Blizzcon 2010 Starts Tomorrow!" Bibi :( |
| 02:35.57 | Bibi | what |
| 02:36.33 | Kraps | its still Wednesday here :p |
| 02:37.02 | Seerah | starts day after tomorrow |
| 02:39.37 | Kraps | 11 am pst is 3 pm est? |
| 02:39.58 | Seerah | 2 |
| 02:42.49 | Kraps | better |
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| 02:46.38 | Kraps | weird, i thing i might watch more sc2 stuff than wow stuff when its live |
| 02:46.50 | Kraps | s/thing/think |
| 02:57.31 | Wobin | ~imagehosting |
| 02:57.32 | purl | rumour has it, imagehosting is http://images.gammatester.com/ by the courtesy of cladhaire |
| 02:59.45 | Kraps | the stupid pumpkin bug happens to me :( |
| 03:03.03 | Jerub | http://i.imgur.com/jXttE.jpg |
| 03:10.12 | Kraps | hey theres a GLBT guild on kirin tor |
| 03:11.39 | Mirrormn | hurray for unnecessary self-segregation of minorities? |
| 03:12.26 | Kraps | its kinda necessary on the internet |
| 03:12.53 | Mirrormn | I dunno if that's true |
| 03:13.12 | Mirrormn | come to think of it, my guild leader is gay, and I almost didn't even remember it |
| 03:13.17 | Mirrormn | cause I just don't care |
| 03:14.37 | Kraps | i'm not talking about you, i'm talking about the "internet" |
| 03:14.48 | Mirrormn | well, I'm part of the internet :( |
| 03:14.50 | Jerub | Mirrormn: there's a great graph somewhere, let me find it. |
| 03:15.12 | Seerah | I don't think it's self-segregation so much as socializing with others with common interests |
| 03:15.30 | Wobin | Mirrormn: I think it's more "Lets have a great guild where calling something 'gay' is not synonymous with calling something 'crap'" |
| 03:15.54 | Jerub | hm, can't see it immediately. |
| 03:16.24 | Jerub | Mirrormn: there was a survey done of the IT industry in australia, i can't remember the particular subdemographic which is stopping me from finding the particular graph. |
| 03:16.47 | Mirrormn | Seerah: the common interest of liking to have sex with people of the same gender? so do they just talk about having sex all the time or what? |
| 03:16.59 | Seerah | sighs |
| 03:17.04 | Kraps | wasnt anduin wrynn supposed to be a teen? |
| 03:17.09 | Seerah | okay, how about common backgrounds/experiences? |
| 03:17.16 | Jerub | Mirrormn: but the question was asked along the lines of "Do you see or experience sexism?" |
| 03:17.32 | Jerub | 80% of men said no, 80% of women said yes. |
| 03:17.42 | Mirrormn | backgrounds/experiences, I guess that's a better argument |
| 03:17.50 | Jerub | Mirrormn: it was almost a perfect mirror. |
| 03:18.43 | Wobin | Mirrormn: it -needs- an argument? |
| 03:18.48 | Wobin | wtf? |
| 03:19.04 | Seerah | no, it doesn't |
| 03:19.38 | Wobin | Mirrormn: unfortunately, due to the internet, it -is- necessary |
| 03:19.39 | Mirrormn | if you're arguing against my previous comment, then of course it's an argument |
| 03:20.28 | Wobin | http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2004/20040319h.jpg |
| 03:21.07 | Wobin | if you believe that everyone on the internet is accepting and in general not casually homophobic, you've been living under a rock =P |
| 03:21.09 | Jerub | i find the worst subdemogrpahic in wow tends to be pvp guilds. |
| 03:21.22 | Mirrormn | I never said Anonymous LGBT Guild needed my permission to exist, I just think it's kind of a silly thing to tie so much of your identity to your sexuality that you feel compelled to only consort with people of the same preference |
| 03:21.25 | Wobin | they tend to attract the worst |
| 03:21.34 | Baps | some of the top PvE guilds are very mercenary too |
| 03:21.40 | Baps | win at all costs |
| 03:21.45 | Jerub | Mirrormn: if they feel safer that way, i think it's great |
| 03:21.50 | Wobin | Mirrormn: most of them, I've seen are not "You must show your gay card to get in" |
| 03:22.02 | Jerub | Mirrormn: your perception is very coloured by your background. |
| 03:22.07 | Wobin | I'd say the majority are "Don't be a fuckwad, and don't make causal gay slurs" |
| 03:22.25 | Wobin | and not even the first, a lot of the time |
| 03:22.37 | Mirrormn | well, if that's the case, I guess I'm opposed to the label as much as anything |
| 03:22.49 | Thunder_Child | ok, http://store.steampowered.com/app/67000/t hats a very interesting game |
| 03:22.51 | Wobin | Hate the sin, not the sinner? =P |
| 03:22.53 | xyphoid | opposed to what label? |
| 03:22.56 | Jerub | Mirrormn: everoyne has a basic right to feel safe and included. |
| 03:22.56 | Thunder_Child | http://store.steampowered.com/app/67000/ t* |
| 03:23.23 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: i got the demo |
| 03:23.24 | Jerub | Mirrormn: there are people who do not feel safe because of repeated offences by members of the general population. |
| 03:23.28 | Mirrormn | a LGBT-*friendly* guild is absolutely fine with me - calling it simply a "LGBT Guild" makes it seem exclusionary |
| 03:23.30 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: any good? |
| 03:23.31 | Kraps | its wtfland |
| 03:23.46 | Jerub | Mirrormn: these people are the sort of people to whom a LGBT guild caters to. |
| 03:23.49 | Thunder_Child | yes, but that doesnt answer my question |
| 03:23.57 | Wobin | Kraps: I suspect you may have to be under the influence to fully enjoy it =P |
| 03:24.02 | Kraps | hey Thunder_Child |
| 03:24.03 | Kraps | its wtfland |
| 03:24.13 | Thunder_Child | is not weather it's good or not |
| 03:24.14 | Jerub | Mirrormn: if you think it's exclusionary then you're exactly the sort of person they're explicitly trying to exclude. |
| 03:24.28 | Thunder_Child | since crank 2 is 'wtf land' but it's also quote good |
| 03:24.29 | Mirrormn | how does that work? |
| 03:24.33 | Thunder_Child | quite* |
| 03:24.59 | Jerub | no offence intended to you or anything, but the whole idea is to wall out people who aren't sensitised to the sort of offence that a LBGT person doesn't want to attract. |
| 03:25.06 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: it has jason statham, of course its good |
| 03:25.33 | Wobin | Polynomial? |
| 03:25.38 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: yes, but that does not invalidate my point. wtf != anything |
| 03:25.40 | Jerub | by doing so a safe space where insensitive and uncaring remarks are totally excluded can be created. |
| 03:25.49 | Thunder_Child | so saying wtf land does not tell me if it is good or not |
| 03:26.08 | Thunder_Child | Wobin: what? |
| 03:26.20 | Mirrormn | well, I guess all I can say is... I think that's being overly sensitive ^_^ |
| 03:26.28 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: it means i dont know |
| 03:26.30 | Wobin | Mirrormn: are you straight? |
| 03:26.42 | Mirrormn | and I'm sure that is a difference of opinion brought about by environment |
| 03:26.47 | Thunder_Child | "Purchase Borderlands GOTY and join the Duke Nukem Forever: First Access Club" heh |
| 03:26.49 | Kraps | i have no scale to measure it against |
| 03:27.06 | Mirrormn | yes, I'm straight |
| 03:27.19 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: measure what? "did you enjoy it" does not requre comparison. |
| 03:27.21 | Wobin | have you experienced some level of bigotism? |
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| 03:27.35 | Wobin | or any sort of <x>ism? |
| 03:27.44 | Thunder_Child | i am |
| 03:27.45 | Wobin | (be it race, sex, etc) |
| 03:27.47 | xyphoid | do you feel excluded by the women's refuge existing |
| 03:27.56 | Mirrormn | nope |
| 03:28.05 | Jerub | Mirrormn: there's a basic human need to feel safe. that's what this kind of thing addresses, and i don't think it's appropriate to say negative things about people who are trying to achieve that end. |
| 03:28.08 | Thunder_Child | but i am an equal opportunity <x>ism |
| 03:28.21 | Wobin | then yes, it is a difference of opinion based on a lack of life experience |
| 03:28.32 | Mirrormn | I'm willing to accept that |
| 03:28.49 | Wobin | and you should perhaps to endeavour to learn -why- it's not necessarily 'over reacting' |
| 03:28.57 | Wobin | or 'overly sensitive' |
| 03:29.12 | Kraps | i'm a phylumist |
| 03:29.29 | Mirrormn | well, I'm certainly open to that experience |
| 03:29.33 | Wobin | by calling judgement down on people who have had opression of the like you've never experienced |
| 03:29.42 | Jerub | just recently i was brough into a conversation about diversity issues in an australian conference. there was a complaint about there being no diversity plan or coordinator made by a female attendee. |
| 03:29.59 | Jerub | there were no events at the conference that highlighted any problems at all and everyone was sensitive and inclusive. |
| 03:30.17 | Jerub | but there were attendees that didn't feel /safe/ because clear policies and a point of contact weren't available. |
| 03:31.16 | Jerub | there was nothing bad that happened, but that's not relevent to the actual problem that wasn't being addressed, there was no safety visibly provided. |
| 03:32.17 | Mirrormn | that's starting to sound unnecessarily nebulous again |
| 03:32.59 | Jerub | hey, all that was asked for was a diversity policy written up and a contact person to be provided. |
| 03:33.21 | Mirrormn | in fact I'm not even sure I understand what that story was about |
| 03:33.28 | Jerub | turns out that's an awesome thing to do, not much trouble, and people appreciate it heaps becasue it means they can feel safe in that environment. |
| 03:33.45 | Mirrormn | what exactly is the content of a diversity policy? |
| 03:33.56 | Wobin | Mirrormn: The point being, that -you- may find it unnecessary, but there was clearly a large group of people who felt it -was- necessary |
| 03:34.13 | Jerub | "hey, saying crap about LBGT is bad dont' do it or we'l kick you out" is an abridged version. |
| 03:34.19 | Wobin | and who obviously had been in situations where the lack of such a plan caused them personal grief |
| 03:34.41 | Mirrormn | oh, the *complaint* was by a female |
| 03:35.00 | Mirrormn | I misread it to mean that the complaint was that the diversity plan was not created by a female |
| 03:35.04 | Wobin | it's not a case of "Hey I hear it's the in thing to have X" it's more "Last time we didn't have X, I got accosted in the parking lot by someone and beaten with a bat" |
| 03:35.36 | Jerub | Wobin: one time there wasn't an X and it was handled poorly one time by someone I know X, I don't feel safe without X, can we have it please. |
| 03:35.52 | Kraps | Wobin: have you experienced x-ism? |
| 03:36.05 | Wobin | x-ism is rampant |
| 03:38.24 | Baps | "-Ism's in my opinion are not good. A person should not believe in an -ism, he should believe in himself." -- Ferris Bueler. |
| 03:41.35 | Computerpunk | Finally. |
| 03:41.41 | Computerpunk | Deleted 300 locale phrases manually. |
| 03:41.42 | Computerpunk | >_, |
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| 03:43.15 | Mirrormn | I'd like to set up localization for my addon, but I have soooo many phrases |
| 03:43.58 | Mirrormn | almost 1000 lines in my localization file =S |
| 03:45.56 | Computerpunk | I know how you feel. |
| 03:45.57 | Computerpunk | >_< |
| 03:46.05 | Computerpunk | You can import by namespace. |
| 03:46.09 | Computerpunk | if you got it somewhere. |
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| 03:46.52 | mikma | mirrormn: lol what? |
| 03:47.02 | Jerub | http://drboli.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/learn-to-write.png?w=400&h=518 |
| 03:47.20 | Mirrormn | what lol what? |
| 03:47.28 | mikma | 1000 lines? |
| 03:48.24 | Mirrormn | what's wrong with that? |
| 03:48.49 | mikma | what kind of addon can possibly need that much whining |
| 03:49.04 | Mirrormn | I'm not sure it *needs* that much |
| 03:49.09 | Mirrormn | but that's what it's got |
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| 03:50.08 | Mirrormn | http://www.wowace.com/addons/weakauras/ |
| 03:50.34 | DWSR | Depends on if you stuffed all the localizations in 1 file or not.. |
| 03:54.06 | Shirik | um |
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| 03:56.03 | Mirrormn | um. |
| 03:59.52 | Shirik | I forget |
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| 04:06.49 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: where are you? |
| 04:06.51 | Thunder_Child | nvm |
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| 04:22.38 | Kraps | man, i find it hard to watch stuff not in high-def |
| 04:22.44 | Kraps | movies |
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| 04:34.11 | Avis | Can addons still remove buffs outside of combat ? |
| 04:34.40 | Seerah | removal of buffs now requires a hardware event |
| 04:35.49 | Avis | Trying to figure out a way to still be able to sort and filter by name and click off buffs while out of combat |
| 04:36.04 | voidmage | so addons can't remove buffs in combat at all? |
| 04:36.41 | Seerah | removal of buffs now requires a hardware event :) Addons can't remove them ever ;) |
| 04:36.56 | Seerah | not automatically |
| 04:37.23 | voidmage | i was more talking about the unit frames with a buff thingy |
| 04:37.27 | Avis | Not talking about automatically. I mean clicking them off while out of combat while still being able to sort and filter |
| 04:37.27 | Seerah | if your buff addon is coded according to the new secure header for buffs and does not taint too much, then you can manually remove them |
| 04:38.20 | Avis | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:38.24 | Seerah | not sure if sort and filter falls under the "doesn't taint too much" requirement :) |
| 04:38.41 | Seerah | price to pay when addons were abusing what was available before |
| 04:38.55 | Avis | the secure header only allows you to filter by unitids |
| 04:38.57 | voidmage | that doesn't work when i don't like the default buff frame, too big |
| 04:38.57 | voidmage | :P |
| 04:39.13 | voidmage | also it's in the wrong place |
| 04:39.58 | Avis | I'm thinking I can overlay a secure button on top of each icon and change the buff id it removes, then disable the overlays on entering combat so you can still see the icons but not click them off |
| 04:40.22 | Avis | secure buttons can remove buffs, but only by index, and the index they remove cant be changed in combat |
| 04:40.49 | Shirik | pets Seerah |
| 04:41.17 | Thunder_Child | thats not creepy or anything Shirik |
| 04:41.18 | Seerah | is it tomorrow yet, Shirik? |
| 04:44.16 | Shirik | um |
| 04:44.21 | Shirik | is that a question that is ever true? |
| 04:44.56 | Seerah | heh |
| 04:45.26 | Thunder_Child | it is when you have no way of measuring time |
| 05:03.03 | Jamash | tomorrow is another day |
| 05:03.16 | Jamash | jam tomorrow, jam yesterday , never jam today |
| 05:03.43 | Jamash | tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow creeps in this petty pace from day to day |
| 05:04.00 | Jamash | also zzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
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| 05:12.37 | Shirik | is it yesterday yet? |
| 05:13.38 | Shirik | omg |
| 05:13.40 | Shirik | my parser is epic |
| 05:13.56 | Shirik | It successfully parsed "Can it be hugs time now please" |
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| 05:15.47 | Mirrormn | parsed it into what information? O.o |
| 05:16.13 | Shirik | into a question information block that can be analyzed by my program :) |
| 05:22.09 | Yssaril | Shirik: you have a sample of the output? |
| 05:22.21 | Yssaril | and whats its purpose? |
| 05:22.27 | Shirik | um |
| 05:22.44 | Mirrormn | its purpose is to dispense hugs in a timely and automated manner |
| 05:22.47 | Mirrormn | quite obviously |
| 05:25.42 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: i want to see this parsing |
| 05:25.48 | Shirik | Sec |
| 05:25.51 | Shirik | I need several parts |
| 05:25.55 | Shirik | trying to put it together |
| 05:26.04 | Shirik | They're not by the same system :) |
| 05:26.51 | Seerah | bye bye all! see some of you this weekend! |
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| 05:28.05 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/141904-1oqg |
| 05:28.08 | Shirik | That's the entire process |
| 05:28.11 | Shirik | From question input to response |
| 05:29.01 | Arrowmaster | no i wanted to see what it parsed "Can it be hugs time now please" as |
| 05:29.20 | Shirik | oh |
| 05:30.04 | Arrowmaster | also what is this writtin in? lisp? |
| 05:31.39 | Arrowmaster | omfg at latest least i could do |
| 05:31.52 | Jerub | Arrowmaster: midget sex? |
| 05:31.57 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/141905 |
| 05:31.58 | Shirik | No, python |
| 05:32.02 | Shirik | but it outputs in a lisp format |
| 05:32.09 | Arrowmaster | Jerub: unintentional dwarf tossing |
| 05:32.35 | Shirik | actually I think it parsed "hugs" wrong |
| 05:32.41 | Shirik | but it's good enough because it treats it as a noun anyway |
| 05:32.54 | Shirik | I guess I just need to reorder the options there |
| 05:34.04 | Shirik | Really this is meant to answer questions about our school |
| 05:34.09 | Shirik | not about whether or not it is hugs time |
| 05:34.32 | Mirrormn | but you do have a set hugs time, right? |
| 05:34.37 | Shirik | no :( |
| 05:34.42 | Shirik | I have no huggability :( |
| 05:34.48 | Mirrormn | failure school |
| 05:35.47 | Mirrormn | oh wow it's really late |
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| 05:40.17 | Arrowmaster | well i guess ill try and get some sleep now, gota be up in 3 hours to head to the airport |
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| 05:47.58 | Shirik | I think I'm talking to a drunk friend over gtalk right now |
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| 06:02.01 | Nechckn | Shirik are you going to BC or is school keeping you too entertained? |
| 06:02.59 | Shirik | I leave on Friday |
| 06:10.33 | Nechckn | Ah, cool.. was just curious. |
| 06:10.47 | Nechckn | would appreciate pics! =) |
| 06:15.22 | Shirik | unfortunately I will not be bringing my camera |
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| 06:16.47 | Nechckn | You could bring some cheapo thing, no? |
| 06:16.58 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 06:17.05 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
| 06:17.07 | Shirik | no Nechckn |
| 06:17.08 | Shirik | I refuse |
| 06:17.14 | Shirik | I have my camera on my phone though |
| 06:17.15 | Nechckn | Not that I would expect you dragging some awesome hardware around, but , well, you know. |
| 06:17.34 | Nechckn | Those types would suffice for this request. =) |
| 06:17.34 | Shirik | I have about $8000+ in camera equipment |
| 06:17.40 | Shirik | it just happens to be in the shop right now |
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| 06:22.08 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 06:22.11 | Fisker | are you awesome? |
| 06:27.10 | Fisker | so Shirik isn't awesome |
| 06:27.10 | Fisker | k |
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| 06:39.07 | zenzio | http://media.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2010/october/ss1174.jpg - that looks cold |
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| 07:16.01 | LebQzz | http://gallery.roadbikereview.com/data/roadbike/500/blonde-chick-with-cute-pussy.jpg this one is nice aswell |
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| 07:20.55 | krka | that joke is pretty dull by now, it would be funnier if it was a nude pic of a girl instead of animals, because no one would expect it! |
| 07:21.15 | LebQzz | krka just wait.. someday... it will be one ;) |
| 07:21.20 | unfo- | krka, agreed |
| 07:21.28 | krka | i've waited too long for that already! |
| 07:21.33 | zenzio | like the one that actually would show a girl's privates, except the cat got in the way of the camera |
| 07:21.38 | zenzio | also a classic |
| 07:21.50 | LebQzz | zenzelezz ye mega nice |
| 07:21.59 | LebQzz | and the cat looks so perfect out of place ;P |
| 07:22.06 | unfo- | HAHA YOU SAID PUSSY AND I THOUGHT YOU MEANT VUHGIIINA BUT YOU ACTUALLY MEANT KITTEN; YOU SO FUNNY is my initial reaction to that sort of stuff |
| 07:22.36 | zenzio | in other words you enjoy those jokes? |
| 07:23.13 | unfo- | zenzio, pip pip, sir! Jolly good show! Excellent work chaps, tally ho! |
| 07:24.33 | LebQzz | tried looking for that zenzio with girl with red pussy.. thought it was called that.. and i found this ine... sooo dam wrong |
| 07:25.06 | LebQzz | http://www.grouchyoldcripple.com/archives/Cat%20really%20big.jpg |
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| 07:27.09 | zenzio | to the Star Trek fans: http://comixed.com/2010/10/19/4-koma-comic-strips-riker-likes/ |
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| 07:31.56 | LebQzz | hmm I'm starting to think a good terror organization should be called within the paramiters of the 7 words not allowed on tv, so cunt licking pusy inc. and anyone have to filter through hardcore porn even on google for weeks to find you ;P |
| 07:34.30 | haste | I expected a 4koma zenzio ! |
| 07:34.45 | haste | not some photographs with text :( |
| 07:36.50 | Fisker | hastemen |
| 07:36.55 | Fisker | The page you were looking for either doesn’t exist or some terrible, terrible error has occurred. |
| 07:37.08 | haste | terrible terrible error! |
| 07:37.26 | LebQzz | omg i hate default blizzard responses |
| 07:38.31 | LebQzz | specially when i notice that on our server we didnt get the inspect_ready event so we couldnt inspect.. and they tell me i have to reset interface and do a bunch of stuff lol |
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| 07:48.10 | LebQzz | do you guys know why client might crash when hovering an item? |
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| 07:57.12 | LebQzz | love splits |
| 08:01.51 | unfo- | the new version of "love hurts" for the current generation |
| 08:10.45 | LebQzz | hehe |
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| 08:48.08 | msoul | Can you macro to use a trinket and hyperspeed acceleration 1 after the other? doing it but |
| 08:48.20 | msoul | it gives me 20 secs cd until I can use gloves |
| 08:48.25 | msoul | hyperspeed that is |
| 08:49.06 | msoul | /use trinketname here; |
| 08:49.20 | msoul | /cast glovesnamehere; |
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| 08:58.35 | msoul | erm nm |
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| 09:47.11 | Sesshu | urm |
| 09:47.13 | Sesshu | hmm |
| 09:48.31 | Sesshu | curse says that i pruchased premium... is this a special gift from curses because i can't remember i did |
| 09:53.24 | Fisker | i hacked your account Sesshu |
| 09:53.36 | Fisker | and it's like that and that's the way it is |
| 09:53.36 | Sesshu | oh no! |
| 09:54.00 | Sesshu | you bought premium for me? |
| 09:54.39 | Fisker | using your credit card details of course |
| 10:07.31 | Computerpunk | Sesshu, lol. |
| 10:07.38 | Computerpunk | If you're an Author, you have it for free. |
| 10:07.38 | Computerpunk | :D |
| 10:07.53 | Sesshu | since when? |
| 10:08.36 | Sesshu | authors get it for free? |
| 10:09.04 | Sesshu | the first addon i uploaded a year ago |
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| 10:11.44 | Jamash | raaaaaaaaaar |
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| 10:15.29 | Ycarene | WTH use is premium anyway? |
| 10:19.39 | Elkano | Sesshu, iirc if yurse considers you a recognized addon author you get it or free |
| 10:19.53 | Elkano | s/yurse/curse/ |
| 10:20.02 | Sesshu | oh |
| 10:20.11 | Computerpunk | Sesshu, you need an amount of downloads. |
| 10:20.13 | Jamash | sho nuff |
| 10:20.17 | Jamash | I has premium |
| 10:20.39 | Computerpunk | First of all, benefits of curse premium vary from affiliated site to another. |
| 10:20.44 | Computerpunk | WoWStead is an example. |
| 10:20.54 | Computerpunk | Curse Premium gives you better usage of the client and website. |
| 10:21.15 | Computerpunk | s/of the/of its/ |
| 10:21.25 | Sesshu | it would be nice to know that before getting premium |
| 10:21.28 | Jamash | fewer ads, faster downloads, "update all" etc |
| 10:21.41 | Computerpunk | You paid for it? |
| 10:21.50 | Jamash | http://www.curse.com/content/premiumfaq.aspx |
| 10:22.20 | Sesshu | hmm |
| 10:22.36 | Sesshu | could be more visible |
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| 10:25.19 | Computerpunk | time to make some auctions |
| 10:25.20 | Computerpunk | :3 |
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| 10:43.13 | angayelle | hai people |
| 10:43.34 | Jamash | ohai |
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| 10:52.21 | Computerpunk | Anyone got a high level Druid? |
| 10:52.24 | LebQzz | hmm i would pay for a small program that uses 2 mins just to looad the dam content |
| 10:52.30 | LebQzz | 80 is high enough? |
| 10:52.36 | Sesshu | is level 80 high |
| 10:52.40 | Sesshu | gr |
| 10:52.42 | LebQzz | hehehehe |
| 10:52.49 | angayelle | on live this is |
| 10:52.49 | Computerpunk | Well, I'll tell you if I encounter any Lua specific errors. |
| 10:52.50 | LebQzz | smurfs |
| 10:52.54 | LebQzz | nop |
| 10:52.55 | Computerpunk | If I don't, could I ask you to test something? :3 |
| 10:53.01 | Computerpunk | Hope he's specced Moonkin. |
| 10:53.03 | Computerpunk | Eclipse Bar. |
| 10:53.15 | LebQzz | eclipse bar has one error... and itsnot lua |
| 10:53.18 | Computerpunk | I've created a module for it, and I need some testing on it. |
| 10:53.26 | Computerpunk | No, no. :D |
| 10:55.25 | unfo- | Computerpunk, i can help in about 4 hours :) |
| 10:55.31 | Computerpunk | unfo-, fair enough. |
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| 10:59.49 | angayelle | again about SetWidth command, wheni use with /run frame:SetWidth(width) on any frame it works, but when using texture:SetWidth(width) on texture it doesn't |
| 11:00.06 | angayelle | tho this command is documented to be applicale to textures too |
| 11:02.31 | zenzio | how is your texture anchored? |
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| 11:05.34 | angayelle | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/141910 |
| 11:05.50 | jnwhiteh | its setallpoints |
| 11:05.55 | jnwhiteh | so you can't change the width |
| 11:06.04 | jnwhiteh | if you don't want it anchored that way, then don't anchor it that way |
| 11:06.12 | angayelle | oho |
| 11:10.03 | jnwhiteh | angayelle: in short, anchor the three sides that you want to be static, and then set the width. |
| 11:10.17 | jnwhiteh | i.e. if you want it to grow from left to right, then anchor LEFT TOP and BOTTOM |
| 11:11.41 | angayelle | like this http://wowuidev.pastey.net/141911 ? |
| 11:12.01 | jnwhiteh | no? |
| 11:12.07 | jnwhiteh | get rid of setAllPoints |
| 11:12.12 | jnwhiteh | and you anchored the label, not hte teture |
| 11:12.14 | jnwhiteh | texture |
| 11:12.20 | angayelle | gawd |
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| 11:15.36 | angayelle | amagad it works now |
| 11:15.40 | angayelle | i'm so happy |
| 11:16.16 | angayelle | jnwhiteh, can i haz your babyz ? |
| 11:16.58 | angayelle | nvm, i already got mine anyway |
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| 11:18.49 | Jamash | Interesting, it looks like in 4.0.x if you change an addon's .toc file and reloadui, the changes are picked up |
| 11:19.06 | Jamash | I'm pretty sure that previously you had to exit the game for .toc changes to be recognized. |
| 11:19.23 | jnwhiteh | Jamash: nope |
| 11:19.34 | jnwhiteh | METADATA won't be picked up |
| 11:19.38 | jnwhiteh | but files to be loaded always have been |
| 11:19.41 | Jamash | orly |
| 11:19.47 | Jamash | did not know that |
| 11:19.47 | jnwhiteh | the file just has to have existed when the client session started. |
| 11:19.53 | jnwhiteh | they're hashed when client opens |
| 11:19.58 | angayelle | savedvariables added weren't taken in account no ? |
| 11:19.59 | jnwhiteh | oh shit, gotta run to lunch |
| 11:20.05 | jnwhiteh | angayelle: that is meatdata |
| 11:20.06 | Jamash | I created a new file and did a /reload and it got picked up |
| 11:20.06 | jnwhiteh | meta |
| 11:20.13 | jnwhiteh | Jamash: that shouldn't have been the case. |
| 11:20.16 | jnwhiteh | Jamash: if so, it's good |
| 11:20.18 | Jamash | new and improved! |
| 11:20.46 | Jamash | oh wait no it didn't |
| 11:20.47 | Jamash | :( |
| 11:20.49 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 11:20.57 | Computerpunk | is the packager wrong? |
| 11:21.02 | Computerpunk | It's not packaging r4-5 for me. |
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| 11:37.19 | Fisker | haha it's 13:37 |
| 11:37.28 | Fisker | and this time without typing it in just before it turns 13:38 |
| 11:38.47 | angayelle | it will happen again |
| 11:38.51 | angayelle | and we'll be there |
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| 11:59.55 | Wobin | http://www.turdfergusonblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/the-most-badass-protestor-you-will-ever-see-5529-1287452415-9.jpg |
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| 12:12.14 | Fisker | He's totally like "Thanks for the shower!" |
| 12:14.12 | amro | does the guy who wrote the title realize how many protestors have been shot? |
| 12:14.58 | Fisker | Well how many protestors have been shot, and deflected the bullet? |
| 12:15.11 | Fisker | Because if the answer is none, then those protestors aren't very badass |
| 12:15.24 | amro | fiskerlogic |
| 12:15.43 | amro | how many protestors have been stabbed through the chest with water? |
| 12:16.08 | Fisker | none? |
| 12:16.55 | amro | yeah, they all deflect it |
| 12:19.37 | Fisker | amrologic |
| 12:22.20 | mitch0 | also, photoshop |
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| 12:26.21 | zenzio | well hello there Lopeppeppy! |
| 12:27.18 | Lopeppeppy | Heya. |
| 12:27.29 | Lopeppeppy | I dreamed you last night! Thank you for helping me save that guy who fell off the tower. |
| 12:30.00 | zenzio | just grinding peppy rep |
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| 12:31.06 | krka | O_o |
| 12:31.14 | krka | <zenzio> just grinding peppy <-- fixed it for you |
| 12:31.26 | zenzio | if only |
| 12:32.12 | Lopeppeppy | Peppy rep is easy. Peppy is not. :P |
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| 12:41.55 | harl | wuff |
| 12:42.23 | Lopeppeppy | hnrg |
| 12:43.50 | |Jelly| | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:44.20 | |Jelly| | stupid dogs barking at stupid people leaving for stupid work |
| 12:45.05 | Lopeppeppy | Stupid stupid stupid. |
| 12:47.16 | harl | o.o |
| 12:50.20 | |Jelly| | o.O |
| 12:50.23 | |Jelly| | O.O |
| 12:50.27 | |Jelly| | O.o |
| 12:50.29 | |Jelly| | zomg |
| 12:53.14 | Lopeppeppy | whatmg? |
| 12:56.20 | amro | epileptic seizure |
| 12:56.28 | amro | way to heed the warnings |Jelly| |
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| 13:14.33 | Kraps | Bibi: what if friday never comes O_O |
| 13:16.43 | angayelle | if i want to tint a texture, it needs to be in grayscale or not ? and what command should i use ? |
| 13:16.59 | haste | :SetVertexColor() |
| 13:17.17 | amro | if you tint a texture, does that make it a tincture? |
| 13:17.30 | Fisker | i ate food amro |
| 13:17.33 | foxlit | Riddle me this: |
| 13:17.36 | amro | i drank water Fisker |
| 13:17.45 | haste | I'm hungry Fisker. |
| 13:17.49 | foxlit | Why does DELETE FROM foo WHERE foo.id IN (SELECT foo_id FROM bar WHERE bar.id IN (1,2,3)) take an eternity |
| 13:17.50 | haste | why didn't you feed me. |
| 13:18.06 | foxlit | while SELECT foo_id FROM bar WHERE bar.id IN () and DELETE FROM FOO WHERE foo.id = ... do not? |
| 13:18.14 | Kalroth | foxlit: it does a table scan on the first |
| 13:18.57 | foxlit | So the problem is with using IN () and a subquery? |
| 13:19.11 | Kalroth | the subquery, i believe |
| 13:19.25 | foxlit | Hm, so it evalutes it for every row |
| 13:19.34 | foxlit | That's sucky. |
| 13:20.33 | zenzio | http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/disguised_weapons.jpg |
| 13:21.12 | nevcairiel | foxlit: a smart sql shouldnt run it every time, since you're not using a variable from the outer query in there, but shrug |
| 13:21.18 | foxlit | Can I express the same thing in a way that would not suck? |
| 13:21.27 | angayelle | a librairy or a command for a colorpicker anyone ? |
| 13:21.42 | angayelle | or info rather |
| 13:22.03 | foxlit | http://www.wowpedia.org/Using_the_ColorPickerFrame |
| 13:22.07 | Kalroth | foxlit: well how many rows do you have? |
| 13:22.14 | Kalroth | and how much memory do you have? |
| 13:22.26 | angayelle | wowpedia, it's new ? |
| 13:22.48 | foxlit | Kalroth: too many and not enough respectively. |
| 13:23.28 | foxlit | 2m rows in the table I'm deleting form |
| 13:23.31 | foxlit | *from |
| 13:23.41 | Ackis | wowpedia > all |
| 13:23.47 | foxlit | and 2m rows in the table the subquery searches. |
| 13:23.49 | Fisker | hey Ackis |
| 13:23.59 | Ackis | hi Fisker ilu |
| 13:23.59 | Kalroth | yeah, it might be a memory issue then |
| 13:24.08 | Kalroth | as well as indexing issue |
| 13:24.25 | foxlit | Not an indexing issue, unless the analyser is just that bad. |
| 13:24.37 | Kalroth | seeing as you'll want the result of the subselect in memory, you might be pushing the index out of memory and forcing a table scan |
| 13:24.38 | nevcairiel | foo.id and bar.id are hopefully indexed, i mean, who doesnt index a id column |
| 13:24.41 | foxlit | (it's deleting by primary key, and subquery retrieves by primary key) |
| 13:25.13 | nevcairiel | how big is the subquery result set in average? |
| 13:25.22 | foxlit | Small; ~1k rows |
| 13:25.31 | Kalroth | 2 million rows of 1 id doesn't sound like much though, it should only be 8 mb raw data (if 32-bit) or 32 mb is guid + overhead |
| 13:25.41 | foxlit | It is essentially just index translation for a small number of rows. |
| 13:26.13 | Kalroth | im pretty sure it gets forced into a table scan with subselects because it can't optimize properly on the result (for whatever reason) |
| 13:26.16 | nevcairiel | I know that oracle starts to choke with more then 1k values in a in clause, not sure if thats also valid for subquery resultsets, though |
| 13:26.24 | nevcairiel | maybe other rdbms have similar issues :p |
| 13:27.08 | Kalroth | i dont hope ms sql handles the in () that way :) |
| 13:27.50 | Kalroth | regardless, when you do "DELETE FROM FOO WHERE foo.id = .." it is definely using the index |
| 13:28.19 | Kraps | "Only on Steam? Sorry, I pass." |
| 13:28.21 | Kraps | "I'm with you. Steam is too phenomenal a service. It couldn't possibly be better, so it makes playing games kind of rough. It's hard when you can't play because you just keep ejaculating over how fucking amazing Steam is." |
| 13:28.34 | Kraps | i lol'd |
| 13:28.35 | Ackis | rofl Kraps |
| 13:28.45 | Ackis | the new Dawn of War 2 is going to be steamworks :( |
| 13:29.29 | amro | more like steamdoesn'tworks lolz |
| 13:29.49 | Fisker | steamworksjustfine |
| 13:30.13 | amro | for doing things other than actually launching games |
| 13:30.20 | amro | it fails hard at that |
| 13:30.24 | boshi_dev | did Blizzard ever make a secure template available so I can call CancelUnitBuff ? |
| 13:30.36 | Fisker | QQ moar amro |
| 13:30.48 | amro | I don't QQ |
| 13:30.52 | amro | i use cracksssssss |
| 13:30.58 | Fisker | pirate |
| 13:31.05 | amro | that way I don't have to wait for it to take 12 hours to authenticate |
| 13:31.20 | Fisker | s/hours/milliseconds/ |
| 13:31.27 | amro | in your dreams |
| 13:31.30 | Ackis | the only reason I don't like steamworks is that I don't get gamerscore for those achievements aka they mean nothing! |
| 13:31.37 | Fisker | mine is closer than yours |
| 13:31.39 | amro | gamerwhore |
| 13:31.43 | Kraps | amro: steam works fine |
| 13:32.05 | amro | for you maybe |
| 13:32.08 | amro | don't extrapolate |
| 13:32.13 | Kraps | fucking cds, they suck |
| 13:32.44 | Kraps | _you're_ the one extrapolating :p |
| 13:32.48 | amro | nope |
| 13:33.07 | amro | my statement isn't as general :P i'm not implying it doesn't work for anyone |
| 13:33.17 | amro | also, the service is good |
| 13:33.19 | amro | the client is fail |
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| 13:33.29 | amro | although it's a lot more stable than it used to be |
| 13:33.31 | Kraps | steam actually made me stop pirating games |
| 13:33.47 | Kraps | also the fact that i have income |
| 13:33.56 | amro | yeah that's usually a relevant factor. |
| 13:34.06 | Thunder_Child | i still pirate games that dont come with demos |
| 13:34.11 | Thunder_Child | so i can try them |
| 13:34.51 | amro | same |
| 13:35.04 | amro | silly to spend $60 on a new game without trying it |
| 13:35.33 | Kraps | depends on the game |
| 13:35.45 | amro | well yeah, I wouldn't need a demo for episode 3 |
| 13:35.49 | amro | but you get my point |
| 13:38.21 | Ackis | so I got pissed off last night and smashed a beer bottle on my coffee table... it shattered in 1000's of pieces, I figured it'd break into about 10-20 decent sized pieces... nope small tiny pieces of shit |
| 13:38.51 | Kraps | Ackis: fail |
| 13:38.52 | amro | Ackis: yeah, after decades of fights breaking out inside bars, they did something about bottle-as-weapon |
| 13:38.54 | |Jelly| | Ackis MAD! |
| 13:38.56 | |Jelly| | Ackis RAGE! |
| 13:39.02 | nevcairiel | Ackis: the bottle or the coffee table? |
| 13:39.12 | angayelle | someone stole you purplezz ? |
| 13:39.16 | Ackis | nevcairiel: the bottle :P |
| 13:39.18 | Lopeppeppy | ackis, stop that. *poke* |
| 13:39.21 | Ackis | amro: is that seriously the reason? |
| 13:39.30 | amro | yes |
| 13:39.42 | amro | also why windshields in cars shatter into a billion pieces |
| 13:39.56 | Ackis | I knew about windshields |
| 13:40.04 | Lopeppeppy | a billionty pieces cause less contact smashity damage. |
| 13:40.18 | |Jelly| | gg tempered glass |
| 13:40.19 | nevcairiel | alot of small cuts hurt too, though! |
| 13:40.31 | Ackis | yeah now I have to worry about the damn cats/dog eating them if I missed any |
| 13:40.34 | amro | nevcairiel: lot of small cuts, or giant shard through the chest. your pick |
| 13:40.48 | nevcairiel | giant shard, please |
| 13:41.08 | angayelle | using the colorpicker, it return r,g,b,opacity now using :SetVertexColor it use r,g,b,alpha |
| 13:41.18 | angayelle | opacity is useless then ? |
| 13:41.30 | nevcairiel | alpha is opacity |
| 13:41.35 | angayelle | oki |
| 13:42.01 | amro | ~giantshard nevcairiel |
| 13:42.23 | Lopeppeppy | ~lart nevcairiel |
| 13:42.23 | purl | slaps nevcairiel upside the head with a wet fish |
| 13:42.47 | Lopeppeppy | I tried. Purl won't stab you with a giant shard for me. |
| 13:43.04 | nevcairiel | Its the thought that counts! |
| 13:44.06 | angayelle | important question ackis, was the bottle empty at the time ? |
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| 13:44.44 | nevcairiel | you don't waste perfectly good bear |
| 13:44.46 | nevcairiel | not even in canada |
| 13:45.03 | angayelle | bear like in pedobeer ? |
| 13:45.25 | Kraps | http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2010/10/500x_facebook-games-statistics.jpg |
| 13:45.26 | Lopeppeppy | alcohol abuse is bad |
| 13:45.40 | Ackis | angayelle: yes |
| 13:45.42 | Ackis | :P |
| 13:45.43 | angayelle | alcohol and lua don't mix well anyway |
| 13:45.55 | Lopeppeppy | Do too! |
| 13:46.03 | angayelle | could have been way funnier with a filled bottle |
| 13:46.05 | Lopeppeppy | Cairenn will make us a drink to prove it! |
| 13:47.11 | amro | sounds like a drink that turns you into a wolf |
| 13:47.58 | Kraps | 105.878 man-years a month |
| 13:48.08 | Lopeppeppy | AR-wooooo! |
| 13:48.12 | Kraps | 105,878 |
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| 13:52.16 | amro | die Cide |
| 13:52.21 | amro | s/die/hi/ |
| 13:52.59 | zenzio | did Cairenn go to Toronto? http://notalwaysright.com/the-spice-girls-have-a-lot-to-answer-for/7804 |
| 13:53.05 | Fisker | slaps Cide around a bit with a large trout |
| 13:53.16 | Thunder_Child | zenzio: what? |
| 13:53.21 | Cide | hi |
| 13:55.49 | Kraps | "Check user reviews of websites before before purchasing gold or power-leveling services (although SiteJabber does not necessarily endorse doing this)." |
| 13:55.52 | Kraps | wtf |
| 13:56.10 | zenzio | I like the "necessarily" |
| 13:58.17 | amro | I do thorough background checks of all my dealers |
| 13:58.20 | amro | not that I'm a user. |
| 13:58.33 | Kraps | and this is on kotaku |
| 13:59.09 | amro | I stopped reading kotaku when my rss unread went out of control |
| 13:59.26 | zenzio | I never read Kotaku in the first place |
| 14:00.38 | Kraps | this is the first time ive seen something idiotic (that was not an opinion piece) there |
| 14:01.39 | Lopeppeppy | Cairenn is Canadian... |
| 14:02.21 | amro | not from toronto though |
| 14:05.05 | Lopeppeppy | I forget, honestly. |
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| 14:10.37 | foxlit | http://apple.slashdot.org/story/10/10/21/125222/Apple-Deprecates-Their-JVM |
| 14:10.38 | foxlit | outrage |
| 14:12.42 | amro | doesn't openjdk work on osx? |
| 14:15.29 | nevcairiel | Apple is fun like that, just screw everyone using their platform in a way they dont approve of, and let them catch up slowly :p |
| 14:16.43 | Fisker | they also removed flash as default and you have to install it manually now (Can't even use the missing plugin installer) |
| 14:18.19 | Kraps | lol mac'd |
| 14:18.27 | amro | what about lolsilverlight |
| 14:18.52 | amro | and lol at ms using the olympics to promote silverlight |
| 14:19.09 | Kraps | amro: are we gonna have to argue about everything >:( |
| 14:19.18 | amro | hm? |
| 14:19.23 | amro | you like silverlight? |
| 14:19.52 | Kraps | tbh i havent really seen it used much |
| 14:19.59 | amro | yeah |
| 14:19.59 | Kraps | almost at all |
| 14:20.02 | amro | way too late |
| 14:20.20 | amro | not to mention, it's just as closed as flash |
| 14:20.20 | amro | probably more so |
| 14:20.24 | amro | so there's really no point |
| 14:20.31 | amro | what's funny is that it's actually better than flash >< |
| 14:25.57 | Kraps | http://notalwaysright.com/retired-extremely-dangerous/7770 |
| 14:27.37 | angayelle | using the colopicker, in ColorPickerFrame.previousValues = {combured,combugreen,combublue,combuopacity}; the value are not changed unless you hit okay button, so it can be restored upon cancelling right ? |
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| 14:30.09 | Cide | test it |
| 14:30.25 | Shirik | If you abbrev. 'don't ask don't tell' as DA/DT, you're actually writing 'change in acceleration over time', also known as 'jerk' |
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| 14:31.06 | Cide | I like that |
| 14:31.18 | nevcairiel | I'm using D is supposed to be delta, eh |
| 14:31.23 | nevcairiel | using=assuming |
| 14:31.27 | nevcairiel | fails at writing today |
| 14:32.02 | Cide | yes, Shirik should have written da/dt |
| 14:32.13 | Cide | but he's bad so |
| 14:32.23 | Shirik | I actually just copied it from another channel |
| 14:33.22 | Cide | uh huh |
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| 14:33.56 | nevcairiel | why is it called jerk anyway |
| 14:34.10 | Cide | because you feel it like a sudden jerk |
| 14:35.04 | Cide | (relatively large da/dt) |
| 14:41.05 | Computerpunk | Damn, packager being down. |
| 14:41.05 | Computerpunk | :< |
| 14:41.12 | Computerpunk | I can't test my AddOn. |
| 14:41.13 | Computerpunk | :< |
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| 14:41.33 | Computerpunk | since latest revisions were supposed to fix localization |
| 14:41.47 | Cide | dude |
| 14:41.54 | Cide | chill down a bit on the enter key okay |
| 14:42.38 | amro | ~Cide++ |
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| 14:43.18 | Computerpunk | But, but, but. I lurv my enter key. |
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| 14:54.46 | Ackis | packager fixed |
| 14:54.48 | Ackis | Computerpunk: ^ |
| 14:56.38 | Computerpunk | Ty Ackis. |
| 14:57.07 | Computerpunk | Ackis, so, now I need to recommit? |
| 14:57.41 | Ackis | no |
| 14:57.43 | Ackis | just wait |
| 14:57.46 | Jamash | fear of commitment? |
| 14:57.57 | Computerpunk | xD |
| 15:00.31 | Ackis | Computerpunk: yours is underhood2 right? |
| 15:00.43 | Ackis | if so it'll be packaged soon |
| 15:00.44 | Computerpunk | Yes. |
| 15:00.51 | Computerpunk | Both UnderHoods are mine. |
| 15:00.52 | Computerpunk | xD |
| 15:02.11 | Jamash | why do you have two of the same addon? |
| 15:02.50 | angayelle | using the following : LBbar:SetWidth((28+combubarwidth)*((-1*(GetTime()-g))/f)) give the results i want but with lotsa decimals, for a optimizing POV, should i reduce them using %.2f ot not ? |
| 15:04.04 | Computerpunk | Ty Ackis. |
| 15:04.13 | Computerpunk | Jamash, I have it cause the first one is not mine rightfully. |
| 15:04.17 | Computerpunk | I've been made Maintainer. |
| 15:04.21 | Computerpunk | And Repository is bugged. |
| 15:04.59 | Computerpunk | In short, someone put a tags folder in trunk, and it can't be deleted. |
| 15:05.07 | Computerpunk | It's not seen as external, but as added file. |
| 15:05.21 | Computerpunk | Therefore, SVN Delete tosses an error saying that you can't modify Tags. |
| 15:05.31 | Computerpunk | So, I took ckk's suggestion and forked. |
| 15:05.50 | Computerpunk | End of story. :3 |
| 15:06.23 | Jamash | fun |
| 15:07.22 | Computerpunk | Yeah. :< |
| 15:07.45 | Lopeppeppy | Hilarious torture of a gummy bear. Please lower your sound first, it's apparently quite noisy! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zWykQ8Xc6w&feature=related |
| 15:07.58 | amro | take my advice and stop using shitversion |
| 15:08.30 | Computerpunk | Suggesting Mercurial? |
| 15:08.56 | amro | suggesting git actually |
| 15:09.01 | amro | never used hg so can't comment |
| 15:09.02 | Computerpunk | Never actually used it. |
| 15:09.09 | Computerpunk | And since it's mildly supported on Windose. |
| 15:09.13 | Computerpunk | Faildose* |
| 15:09.21 | amro | take my advice and quit using windows |
| 15:10.35 | Computerpunk | I'm getting used to Ubuntu, yeah. |
| 15:10.35 | Computerpunk | :p |
| 15:10.37 | Cide | why do you hate windows as a windows user? |
| 15:10.45 | Cide | why do you hate windows period actually? |
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| 15:11.08 | Cide | and why do you blame windows for the git developer being retarded and not supporting it simply because of his own ideology? |
| 15:11.18 | Computerpunk | ;D |
| 15:11.19 | angayelle | i wish wow would be ported on TOS |
| 15:11.21 | Computerpunk | Lol. |
| 15:11.29 | Computerpunk | I'm not hating on Windows. |
| 15:11.36 | Cide | sure you aren't |
| 15:11.41 | Cide | 17:09 < Computerpunk> And since it's mildly supported on Windose. |
| 15:11.41 | Cide | 17:09 < Computerpunk> Faildose* |
| 15:11.57 | Computerpunk | Was supposed to be a reference to it being a drug that you're addicted to. |
| 15:12.05 | Cide | faildose too huh |
| 15:12.08 | Computerpunk | >_< |
| 15:12.10 | Computerpunk | Yes. |
| 15:12.12 | Cide | uh huh |
| 15:12.15 | Computerpunk | Drugs are win at first. |
| 15:12.16 | Computerpunk | Then fail. |
| 15:12.17 | Computerpunk | >_< |
| 15:12.25 | Cide | you win the "most transparent lie in the world" award |
| 15:12.35 | Cide | I award you fucking nothing whatsoever |
| 15:12.42 | Computerpunk | I win internets. |
| 15:12.42 | Computerpunk | ;o |
| 15:13.02 | amro | Cide: I don't blame windows for git failing |
| 15:13.09 | amro | I blame windows for windows failing in general |
| 15:13.22 | Cide | windows doesn't fail |
| 15:13.40 | amro | sure it does |
| 15:13.44 | amro | where's my terminal? |
| 15:13.48 | amro | where's my shell? |
| 15:14.07 | Cide | you're accustomed to *nix tools |
| 15:14.10 | Cide | that doesn't make it fail |
| 15:14.13 | Cide | simply not what you want |
| 15:14.17 | amro | it does, it doens't have an equivalent |
| 15:14.36 | amro | also wtb kioslaves/gvfs |
| 15:14.49 | Cide | and your has much less usability than windows |
| 15:14.51 | Cide | your point? |
| 15:14.58 | amro | no, it doesn't |
| 15:15.01 | amro | I have a file manager too |
| 15:15.01 | Cide | more incompatibilities, worse drivers |
| 15:15.08 | amro | wrong |
| 15:15.13 | amro | I've had more driver trouble on windows, believe me |
| 15:15.18 | Cide | lol |
| 15:15.19 | amro | and I had an ATi card so trust me that means a lot |
| 15:15.19 | Cide | no you don't |
| 15:15.40 | amro | yes I do, it's a myth that windows has magically working drivers |
| 15:16.00 | amro | if you've ever worked for any length of time building computers and installing windows on them, you'd know |
| 15:16.11 | amro | windows gets that rep because usually the OEM makes sure the drivers work before selling the thing |
| 15:16.21 | amro | if you're doing it yourself, it can be quite painful |
| 15:17.40 | amro | hell, right now I have a machine with xp and the sound drivers make it hang for about 2 minutes on each startup |
| 15:17.53 | Cide | I've always built my own computer |
| 15:17.55 | Cide | s |
| 15:18.00 | Cide | and never once have I had driver issues |
| 15:18.05 | amro | consider yourself lucky |
| 15:18.17 | Cide | yet I've had about 5 unrelated to my ati card for 2 months of regularly using linux |
| 15:18.21 | amro | on linux, I've only had driver issues with two things |
| 15:18.26 | amro | ati, and some usb modem |
| 15:18.36 | amro | also, that's just ati |
| 15:18.40 | amro | and they fail on windows too |
| 15:18.48 | Cide | I've had ati, wifi, sound card, usb headset |
| 15:18.57 | Cide | ati cards work perfectly on windows |
| 15:19.01 | amro | bullshit |
| 15:19.01 | Cide | as do all the things I mentioned |
| 15:19.04 | amro | adys: ping |
| 15:19.11 | amro | oh wait, he's on a flight probably |
| 15:19.27 | amro | but he has a long list of threads with ati-on-windows issues |
| 15:19.39 | Cide | I wonder if I can find just as long a list for nvidia if I give myself 30 seconds |
| 15:20.06 | Cide | and nvidia-on-linux I'll give myself 15 seconds |
| 15:20.08 | amro | the culprit has to be the driver |
| 15:20.30 | Cide | who knows |
| 15:20.31 | amro | anyway, anecdoctal evidence is pointless |
| 15:20.35 | amro | but since you're bringing it up |
| 15:20.43 | amro | I've had a driver issue with almost every windows PC I've built |
| 15:20.47 | amro | some were unfixable |
| 15:20.48 | Cide | sure you have |
| 15:21.12 | Cide | did you use the same components for all of them? |
| 15:21.18 | amro | no |
| 15:21.23 | Cide | then I don't believe you |
| 15:21.31 | amro | fine, don't |
| 15:21.36 | Cide | regardless |
| 15:21.48 | Cide | just because you miss some tools you're used to doesn't mean windows is bad for lacking them |
| 15:21.52 | Cide | it just means it's unsuitable for you |
| 15:22.06 | amro | it means it's worse at doing a specific task |
| 15:22.07 | Cide | and you have to agree that linux has at least an order of magnitude more driver issues overall than windows |
| 15:22.12 | Cide | oh of course |
| 15:22.20 | Cide | linux is much better for most things coding related |
| 15:22.31 | Cide | that's why I'm using it |
| 15:22.43 | Cide | but that's not an argument for windows being bad |
| 15:22.44 | Cide | or fail |
| 15:22.46 | amro | yeah, and the context right now is about not using windows for development |
| 15:23.05 | Cide | no, it's about windows being "fail" |
| 15:23.05 | amro | it's an argument for windows being bad if you want to develop stuff |
| 15:23.13 | amro | no, you decided to focus on that point |
| 15:23.20 | amro | because you're bored and want to argue a bit :P |
| 15:23.25 | Jamash | MSYS mingw cygwin |
| 15:23.29 | Jamash | done |
| 15:23.34 | Cide | 7:09 < Computerpunk> Faildose* 17:13 < amro> I blame windows for windows failing in general |
| 15:23.49 | Cide | amro: you specifically said windows in general :P |
| 15:23.54 | Cide | when we were previously discussing git on windows |
| 15:24.01 | amro | in general for me |
| 15:24.09 | amro | and generally, i have 5 terminal tabs open |
| 15:24.10 | Jamash | also, Strawberry Perl |
| 15:24.14 | Cide | maybe you should specify that instead of making a blanket statement then |
| 15:24.17 | Jamash | and Notepad++ |
| 15:24.34 | amro | Cide: if I start being specific, you'll never have a reason to argue |
| 15:24.37 | amro | is that what you want? |
| 15:24.42 | Jamash | look at me I'm developing on windows |
| 15:24.46 | Cide | if I agree with you I won't have to argue |
| 15:25.03 | Cide | if you make idiotic comments which you don't really mean then I will argue |
| 15:25.05 | Cide | up to you though |
| 15:25.13 | amro | not idiotic |
| 15:25.21 | amro | you're changing the parameters to make my statement invalid |
| 15:25.28 | Cide | because I'm fucking tired of idiocy about windows being bad |
| 15:25.30 | Jamash | hey guys |
| 15:25.32 | Cide | no, you did that yourself |
| 15:25.33 | amro | don't pull shit out of context, even if I haven't had enough time to build up said context |
| 15:25.34 | Jamash | hey |
| 15:25.36 | Jamash | hey guys |
| 15:25.42 | Cide | you said that windows fails in general |
| 15:25.52 | amro | and you jumped on my cock before I could say anything else |
| 15:25.56 | Cide | you failed to specify the context you implicitly meant but that's not my fault is it |
| 15:26.08 | amro | it is when you keep badgering me |
| 15:26.10 | Jamash | @Cide @amro: stfu plx kthx bai |
| 15:26.11 | Cide | how do you propose I interpret "windows fails in general"? :P |
| 15:26.23 | angayelle | someone can tell the default colorpicker button template ? |
| 15:26.24 | amro | it's "I blame", the I is kinda important |
| 15:26.26 | amro | anyway got work to do |
| 15:26.28 | Jamash | or take it to /msg |
| 15:26.57 | Cide | or stop crying when there's nothing happening in here besides angayelle sucking knowledge out of people like a vulture instead of trying to figure it out him/herself |
| 15:27.16 | Jamash | ouch |
| 15:27.19 | Cide | we can help if you have a problem, not if you have a lazy fucking google tab |
| 15:28.30 | angayelle | i googled alot, believe me |
| 15:28.36 | amro | ~chill Cide |
| 15:28.36 | purl | ACTION grabs Cide and rams a chillpill down Cide's throat with a toilet plunger |
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| 15:29.03 | angayelle | and sorry to be stupid newb when it comes to programming, syntax and all that |
| 15:29.06 | Jamash | do you have a copy of the wow base code? |
| 15:29.16 | amro | eroigjre why does ruby have the most useless syntax error messages ever |
| 15:29.35 | amro | syntax error, unexpected $end, expecting kEND |
| 15:29.56 | Humbedooh | because it's ruby? |
| 15:30.09 | angayelle | will look into tha jamash |
| 15:30.12 | angayelle | that* |
| 15:30.30 | Computerpunk | angayelle, :3. |
| 15:30.35 | Jamash | take a look see at FrameXML\ColorPickerFrame.xml |
| 15:30.44 | Humbedooh | you have to smoke a certain amount of weed for ruby to make perfect sense |
| 15:30.55 | amro | no |
| 15:31.00 | amro | weed wouldn't help at all |
| 15:31.08 | Computerpunk | Humbedooh, weed only helps with Mindfuck. |
| 15:31.28 | Jamash | nothing helps with BrainF*** |
| 15:31.28 | Computerpunk | brainfuck* |
| 15:31.30 | Computerpunk | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainfuck |
| 15:31.47 | Jamash | weed helps with lisp |
| 15:32.27 | Jamash | *takes a puff* dude, I can see all the parentheses at once |
| 15:33.10 | Computerpunk | *takes a puff* dude, I'm supposed to have a hard time at tanking! but it seems avoidance debuff got removed. |
| 15:33.12 | amro | Ordn**** |
| 15:33.31 | Humbedooh | ordnung muss sein?= |
| 15:33.40 | Computerpunk | I love nuns too. |
| 15:33.46 | amro | ordnance, and I was testing if Computerpunk was a bot completing wikipedia pages |
| 15:33.52 | Computerpunk | lol. |
| 15:34.16 | Humbedooh | the word "nun" has a new meaning after I watched the 'Hanatomy' episode of QI ;< |
| 15:34.24 | Humbedooh | "I'll come at you like a nun!!" |
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| 15:36.13 | angayelle | well colorpickerframe don't have my answer, i'll do a small frame that i use as a button to the colorpicker then |
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| 15:47.32 | Jamash | the guy in charge of Firefox development linked to a Bob the Angry Flower cartoon |
| 15:47.33 | Sesshu | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWuyrlXI7nA |
| 15:47.36 | Jamash | life is awesome |
| 15:48.23 | Humbedooh | Sesshu> Finland at its best :> |
| 15:48.45 | Sesshu | hehe |
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| 15:49.42 | Jamash | oh so apple is trying to iphone-ize the mac with a locked-down app store |
| 15:49.57 | Jamash | I'd be shocked if this wasn't exactly what I expected them to do |
| 15:50.00 | Humbedooh | iChina |
| 15:50.17 | angayelle | i wonder why they didn't did it before |
| 15:50.21 | Humbedooh | with Chairman Ma...err Jobs |
| 15:50.47 | Kraps | http://www.google.com/webhp?rls=ig |
| 15:51.16 | Humbedooh | it's always fun to watch companies get so capitalistic, they turn into their own little totalitarian communist state |
| 15:51.33 | angayelle | i will be funny lifting the imac to play gravity related games |
| 15:51.58 | angayelle | maybe gravity is not the right word but you get the point |
| 15:52.17 | Humbedooh | g-force mayhap? |
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| 15:54.53 | Kraps | http://kotaku.com/comment/31109045 |
| 15:56.18 | Humbedooh | ;> |
| 15:58.20 | amro | Kraps: it's brian ashcraft |
| 15:58.24 | amro | all the japanese finally got to him |
| 16:01.02 | amro | Sesshu: did he say "what is nigger?" |
| 16:01.06 | durcyn | man, the amount of hyperbole you guys are willing to trot out in regards to anything and everything apple is a bit disturbing |
| 16:01.36 | amro | not true, I'm very down to earth about apples |
| 16:03.05 | amro | also, that's the biggest sugarbox I've ever seen |
| 16:03.52 | durcyn | Kaelten: what's the timetable on anonymous git checkouts being enabled on wowi? |
| 16:04.08 | durcyn | er not Kaelten, fuck me. cairenn's not here |
| 16:04.37 | Humbedooh | amro: there's no such term as nigger in european countries |
| 16:04.38 | amro | Shirik/jnwhiteh/dolby might know |
| 16:04.52 | Shirik | no I don't |
| 16:04.53 | Sesshu | (amro): no he said "What is a nigger?" |
| 16:04.54 | Shirik | what do I know? |
| 16:05.09 | amro | nothing |
| 16:05.12 | amro | go back to sleep |
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| 16:06.36 | Moonwitch | well I pulled a classic Moonie at the job interview... had to wear a badge, wore on my shirt.. Shirt dropped slowly without my consent and noticing.. So I basically showed off my gorgeous bra to 3 men... Ya think I'll get the job? |
| 16:07.03 | durcyn | I'd hire you if you flashed me, not gonna lie |
| 16:07.08 | Computerpunk | ^ |
| 16:08.11 | angayelle | shirt slowly dropping without consent is a lie, there is no wuch thing, women are wicked |
| 16:08.39 | Computerpunk | I don't blame them. |
| 16:08.40 | Computerpunk | ;D |
| 16:10.14 | angayelle | Pants dropped slowly without my consent and noticing.. So I basically showed off my genital parts to 3 women... Ya think I'll get the job? |
| 16:10.27 | angayelle | that sound a lot less interesting |
| 16:10.36 | jnwhiteh | amro: whats the question? |
| 16:11.16 | angayelle | jnwhiteh i'm considering buying the book, where to get it so you get the most out of it ? |
| 16:11.55 | jnwhiteh | I get a small amazon affiliate fee on http://astore.amazon.com/worofwarproag-20/detail/0470481285 |
| 16:12.01 | jnwhiteh | but other than that, it doesn't really matter =) |
| 16:12.14 | Fisker | my sleep levels Shirik |
| 16:13.12 | amro | jnwhiteh: [17:03] <durcyn> Kaelten: what's the timetable on anonymous git checkouts being enabled on wowi? |
| 16:13.12 | Computerpunk | Note: CD-ROM/DVD and other supplementary materials are not included as part of eBook file. |
| 16:13.14 | Computerpunk | Explain that. |
| 16:13.21 | Computerpunk | Other than that, jnwhiteh I'm buying it. |
| 16:13.27 | jnwhiteh | durcyn: "soon" |
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| 16:13.30 | durcyn | cool. |
| 16:13.36 | jnwhiteh | Computerpunk: there isn't a CD or DVD |
| 16:13.44 | Computerpunk | What does the CD/DVD contain? |
| 16:13.49 | jnwhiteh | there isn't one |
| 16:13.50 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 16:13.54 | Computerpunk | Oh. |
| 16:13.58 | jnwhiteh | I think its boilerplate |
| 16:14.04 | jnwhiteh | any supplementary material is on wowprogramming.com |
| 16:14.27 | Computerpunk | So, what happens if a new version appears. |
| 16:14.32 | Computerpunk | Version of the book that is. |
| 16:14.39 | jnwhiteh | I'm not writing one |
| 16:14.42 | Computerpunk | oh. |
| 16:14.43 | Computerpunk | k |
| 16:14.47 | jnwhiteh | but it'd be the same between the book adn the eboko |
| 16:14.50 | jnwhiteh | you'd haev to buy a new one |
| 16:14.54 | jnwhiteh | same with first edition/second edition |
| 16:15.01 | jnwhiteh | the website, of course, is always up to date. |
| 16:15.59 | jnwhiteh | the API and Widget listing always reflects the live state of the API, even if not every single function is documented. |
| 16:17.17 | Computerpunk | jnwhiteh, how do I download ebook? |
| 16:17.23 | jnwhiteh | I have no idea? |
| 16:17.26 | jnwhiteh | where are you trying to order it from? |
| 16:17.56 | Computerpunk | Amazon. |
| 16:18.06 | Computerpunk | That link you put on IRC> |
| 16:18.12 | jnwhiteh | one sec |
| 16:18.20 | Computerpunk | Shipping is almost 1.5x price of original |
| 16:18.45 | jnwhiteh | I do not see an ebook available for sale tere.. |
| 16:18.55 | jnwhiteh | as far as I know, the book isn't available on Kindle |
| 16:18.57 | jnwhiteh | so I'm a bit confused. |
| 16:19.10 | jnwhiteh | if it's the CD/DVD-ROM notice, you just need to ignore that. |
| 16:19.43 | jnwhiteh | It can be purchased via http://www.scribd.com/World-of-Warcraft%C2%AE-Programming-A-Guide-and-Reference-for-Creating-WoW-Addons/d/29530507 |
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| 16:19.49 | Fisker | http://www.neowin.net/news/mac-app-store-will-reject-java-apps-other-rules-leaked <-lolmac |
| 16:19.52 | jnwhiteh | but that is more expensive than the actual book. |
| 16:19.52 | batrick_ | Shirik: !! |
| 16:20.04 | batrick | Shirik: I want to buy a speaker now |
| 16:20.06 | Computerpunk | I'll just order through amazon whenever my sister needs soem books. ;D |
| 16:20.12 | batrick | but, I don't think it'd work with the board |
| 16:20.15 | batrick | need a pr0 input |
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| 16:23.28 | Moonwitch | jnwhiteh: you shouldn't link amazon stuff with me int he room :P |
| 16:23.35 | jnwhiteh | whyzzat? |
| 16:24.08 | Moonwitch | I have this obscene compulsive buying thing going lately |
| 16:24.13 | jnwhiteh | hehe |
| 16:24.18 | jnwhiteh | well, let me give you my postal address |
| 16:24.20 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 16:24.29 | jnwhiteh | and you can have fun =) |
| 16:24.34 | Moonwitch | lol |
| 16:24.40 | Moonwitch | so you like red bra's then :) |
| 16:24.44 | Computerpunk | ;D |
| 16:24.46 | batrick | jnwhiteh: so lua workshop is planning for next year then? |
| 16:24.47 | Computerpunk | green ones ftw. |
| 16:24.58 | jnwhiteh | batrick: yes, ideally somewhere in Europe |
| 16:25.00 | Thunder_Child | Moonwitch: you mean the rescue one? |
| 16:25.08 | batrick | England++ |
| 16:25.10 | jnwhiteh | I don't know that I can commit to organising it |
| 16:25.14 | jnwhiteh | but I'll help as much as I can |
| 16:25.26 | jnwhiteh | That will be leading into my final year of my degree, and I am far from being done. |
| 16:25.46 | batrick | ya, understandable |
| 16:25.46 | Moonwitch | Lua workshop? |
| 16:26.04 | Thunder_Child | http://www.ebbra.com/ <- red bra |
| 16:26.31 | Moonwitch | Thunder_Child: wtf is wrong with people nowadays |
| 16:26.32 | angayelle | need one for the wife |
| 16:26.44 | Thunder_Child | Moonwitch: why is that a bad thing? |
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| 16:27.42 | Moonwitch | Thunder_Child: never realized a red bra can help reduce panic attacks |
| 16:28.30 | Thunder_Child | Moonwitch: it's not for that |
| 16:28.36 | Thunder_Child | ebra != paper bag |
| 16:29.25 | Moonwitch | I am willing to watch someone get the ebbra on their face without removing clothes.. if you're wearing long sleeves, you're screwed |
| 16:29.49 | Thunder_Child | i think if you need it, nudity will be far down on the list of worries |
| 16:30.04 | amro | horseman's voice acting is the best thing in wow |
| 16:30.54 | Moonwitch | oh I would be worried about nudity |
| 16:31.05 | Moonwitch | imagine BLAZING FIRE .... smoke everywhere |
| 16:31.10 | Jamash | ~amro++ |
| 16:31.16 | Jamash | I agree 1000% |
| 16:31.38 | Moonwitch | I would like something to cover my mouth, but not being naked is important too. 3rd degree burns aren't fun |
| 16:31.48 | Moonwitch | let alone on a big portion of your body |
| 16:31.49 | Jamash | wtf are you guys talking about? |
| 16:31.54 | Moonwitch | the ebbra |
| 16:31.55 | amro | you'd rather pass out and burn to a crisp? |
| 16:32.01 | Jamash | the what? |
| 16:32.08 | amro | http://www.ebbra.com/ |
| 16:32.21 | Jamash | this is a joke, right? |
| 16:32.29 | Moonwitch | honestly, yes .. I'd rather burn up then die choking in my own fluids post burn or from infection. |
| 16:32.37 | Moonwitch | I hope it IS a joke Jamash |
| 16:32.41 | Moonwitch | but I fear it is not |
| 16:33.03 | Thunder_Child | tisnt |
| 16:33.05 | Jamash | the smallest size they offer it in is 32B |
| 16:33.06 | Moonwitch | where is Seerah when you need her |
| 16:33.13 | Jamash | I'm not a woman but isn't that kind of large? |
| 16:33.15 | Thunder_Child | on her way to BC |
| 16:33.18 | Moonwitch | ah |
| 16:33.23 | Thunder_Child | they have different sizes |
| 16:33.38 | Moonwitch | I don't know the US sizes (32 would be size) |
| 16:33.39 | Thunder_Child | or rather 'coming' soon i thin |
| 16:33.42 | Moonwitch | B is fairly small |
| 16:33.51 | Moonwitch | but the smallest I've seen is AA |
| 16:34.17 | Moonwitch | if you have an AA cup, you may as well not wear a bra |
| 16:34.28 | amro | isn't that a battery size? |
| 16:34.44 | Moonwitch | yep, but also a cup |
| 16:34.46 | Moonwitch | :) |
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| 16:34.58 | Jamash | lithium or alkaline? |
| 16:35.03 | Moonwitch | alkaline |
| 16:35.11 | Moonwitch | Jamash fears the conversation Thunder_Child |
| 16:35.16 | Jamash | I'd go for NiMh honestly |
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| 16:36.35 | Ackis | I think I have a B cup |
| 16:36.43 | Jamash | according to wikipedia bra sizes in the US are mostly to entirely meaningless |
| 16:37.15 | Lopeppeppy | Not... really... they are based on physical measurements, as opposed to jeans sizes which aren't. :) |
| 16:38.02 | Jamash | "based on" but not standardized or accurate |
| 16:38.40 | amro | you're talking about a country that uses imperial units |
| 16:38.47 | Jamash | unfortunately, yes |
| 16:38.54 | Jamash | us and myanmar |
| 16:41.28 | Lopeppeppy | measurements are rarely accurate. But in the last year I have not found a single bra in my measured size which did not fit. Same time frame, I have jeans ranging three sizes. |
| 16:41.37 | Computerpunk | <M3rlin-> what is the legal age to buy alcoholic in england ? |
| 16:41.37 | Computerpunk | <p5Ds13a06> you can't buy alcoholics |
| 16:41.38 | Computerpunk | <p5Ds13a06> but if you wink the right way, some of them will follow you home for free |
| 16:42.26 | Moonwitch | sorry -- had a call |
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| 16:43.09 | Moonwitch | Lopeppeppy: I gave up going for sizes, it's never right ... best is to try em on :) |
| 16:43.35 | Moonwitch | Computerpunk: bash.org? |
| 16:43.41 | Lopeppeppy | Very depressing to try crap on. |
| 16:43.51 | Moonwitch | Lopeppeppy: welcome to my world |
| 16:43.54 | Computerpunk | Moonwitch, someone gave me on MSN. |
| 16:44.15 | Moonwitch | it's getting better though .. am -40kg now |
| 16:44.54 | Moonwitch | it's why I don't think the bra incident will influence my chances at that job :) |
| 16:45.17 | Moonwitch | and it's full moon here, that helps too |
| 16:45.56 | Computerpunk | Moonwitch, anything can happen. |
| 16:46.06 | Moonwitch | Computerpunk: that is true.. |
| 16:46.10 | Computerpunk | If they end up refusing. |
| 16:46.19 | Computerpunk | They're just influenced by prejudice. |
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| 16:46.31 | Moonwitch | if they refuse, I can at least say I flashed 3 strangers :P |
| 16:46.52 | Computerpunk | =D |
| 16:47.18 | Moonwitch | See, it's win win :) |
| 16:47.29 | Computerpunk | Yep. |
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| 16:48.03 | Moonwitch | watching the video of a live perf of Journey - Don't stop believin' is painful... |
| 16:48.09 | angayelle | wicked women, i repeat |
| 16:48.22 | Moonwitch | I take great pride in that :D |
| 16:48.33 | Computerpunk | angayelle, and you're denying that you like it. |
| 16:48.45 | angayelle | i'd be a woman, i think i'd be wicked too |
| 16:49.09 | Computerpunk | I'd be more than wicked. |
| 16:49.15 | Moonwitch | Good girls go to heaven, bad girls go everywhere ;) |
| 16:49.17 | Computerpunk | I'd be the spawn of the devil. |
| 16:49.24 | angayelle | every man say that too computerpunk |
| 16:49.38 | Computerpunk | goddammit |
| 16:49.47 | angayelle | now a wicked man, is way less funnier |
| 16:49.51 | Computerpunk | Been hiccuping. |
| 16:49.55 | Computerpunk | For half an hour. |
| 16:49.56 | Computerpunk | straight. |
| 16:50.10 | Moonwitch | wait, I'll flash you -- you'll jump up and stop hiccuping |
| 16:50.14 | angayelle | i don't wanna be your computer screen when you'll throw up |
| 16:50.31 | Moonwitch | timing is key LOL |
| 16:50.39 | angayelle | oh i'm hiccuping too |
| 16:50.46 | angayelle | now |
| 16:50.58 | angayelle | think i need a flash... |
| 16:50.59 | Computerpunk | Moonwitch, pics inb4 stopping hiccuping. |
| 16:51.13 | Computerpunk | Thought it stopped. |
| 16:51.14 | Computerpunk | Phew. |
| 16:51.14 | Computerpunk | ;D |
| 16:51.52 | Moonwitch | oi I made Lopeppeppy leave :( |
| 16:51.55 | Computerpunk | :< |
| 16:52.06 | angayelle | this conversation was so expected when you started talking about bras |
| 16:52.29 | Moonwitch | of course |
| 16:52.46 | syrae | man... in the channels I tend to be in, when we start talking about bras, all the boys get real quiet |
| 16:52.58 | durcyn | Computerpunk seems to need a prostitute though, dude seems kind of excitable. |
| 16:53.03 | Moonwitch | syrae: you hang out in the wrong channels |
| 16:53.34 | syrae | Moonwitch: incidentally it's the same effect as when we start talking about our periods and hormones |
| 16:54.04 | angayelle | i have hormones but not periods, am i a half woman ? |
| 16:54.30 | Moonwitch | syrae: since you use our - I am asuming we have something in common? |
| 16:54.32 | syrae | angayelle: do you also wear bras? |
| 16:54.37 | Moonwitch | (I love being cryptic) |
| 16:54.43 | syrae | Moonwitch: indeed! |
| 16:54.59 | Moonwitch | yay! |
| 16:55.13 | angayelle | nope but a long wool skirt sometimes, very soft and warmy, my wife gave me |
| 16:55.33 | syrae | angayelle: kilt? Kilts are awesome |
| 16:56.03 | Moonwitch | I haven't asked a true Scot if he's willing to lift his kilt :) |
| 16:56.08 | Moonwitch | its on my todo list |
| 16:56.20 | Computerpunk | durcyn, nope. |
| 16:56.21 | Computerpunk | lol |
| 16:56.47 | angayelle | nope not a kilt, it goes all the way to ground, tho i wore a japanese schoolgirl skirt for the party before my wedding but that's a whole different story |
| 16:56.52 | syrae | Moonwitch: I think the reason why our channels tend to get boy-quiet with the bra talk is mostly because they donno what to say when we start talking about the right brands to fit and how to jiggle them to get the damn things to fit right. |
| 16:57.02 | Moonwitch | angayelle: now THAT story I wanna hear.. |
| 16:57.08 | angayelle | ehe |
| 16:57.40 | Moonwitch | syrae the only thing that gets me though, is when the salesperson asks if she has to "drop" them in >.< |
| 16:57.45 | Moonwitch | it still gets to me |
| 16:58.14 | syrae | hah |
| 16:58.27 | angayelle | serious survey says 70% of women don't wear the correct bra size for here, i kinda believe that |
| 16:58.38 | Moonwitch | it's probably true yes |
| 16:58.53 | Jamash | jiggle jiggle |
| 16:58.57 | Moonwitch | mainly because the correct size is so damn hard to find |
| 16:59.00 | syrae | I don't go shopping enough to know. It's damned near impossible to find something to fit me. I unfortunately fall in the "vast tracts of land" side of the spectrum |
| 16:59.10 | Jamash | post pics of japanese schoolgirl outfit plx |
| 16:59.19 | angayelle | i, for myself, have never checked if i was wearing the correct size of brief, maybe i should |
| 17:00.09 | Moonwitch | Europe-wise, I fall in that category too. If I try to explain that to anyone from the US, they mock me. But it's getting better |
| 17:00.10 | syrae | angayelle: thanks. Now I have a mental image of you getting "measured" by a sales person |
| 17:00.19 | Moonwitch | lol |
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| 17:00.44 | Computerpunk | We've got more women than men, talking in this channel. |
| 17:00.44 | Computerpunk | :o |
| 17:00.59 | angayelle | you can make a japanese schoolgirl outfit quite easily, the only tricky part is findind the big white leggings socks, good thing i bought alot when i was in japan |
| 17:01.00 | syrae | Moonwitch: at least in my experience, European brands tend to fit the best and have a broader range of sizes than what I can find state-side. |
| 17:01.18 | syrae | Like, Bravissimo is AMAZING for big busts |
| 17:01.18 | Jamash | I don't think I'd look good in one |
| 17:01.23 | syrae | but it's British |
| 17:01.29 | Jamash | I have hairy legs |
| 17:01.30 | angayelle | not that i wear tham, it's for my wife, honestly |
| 17:01.55 | Kraps | i just finished district 9 |
| 17:02.01 | Kraps | holy crap |
| 17:02.05 | Jamash | good movie |
| 17:02.11 | angayelle | do they wear skirts in it ? |
| 17:02.19 | ccox | <-- still picturing syrae's comment from 9:56 |
| 17:02.21 | Moonwitch | Right now, I just wear fairly cheap ones. Because my sizes change. |
| 17:02.27 | Jamash | no but they do wear a combat exoskeleton |
| 17:02.36 | ccox | Computerpunk: half the boys are off at blizzcon |
| 17:02.36 | angayelle | that'll do |
| 17:02.44 | syrae | ccox: I visualize a lot of things in my mind. I also usually share them. |
| 17:02.57 | syrae | Moonwitch: makes sens to me |
| 17:02.59 | Jamash | Could I borrow some of your thoughts? Mine are all dirty. |
| 17:03.11 | Moonwitch | I tend to share such matters too -- sadly people I work with generally find it less amusing |
| 17:03.17 | angayelle | we all do jamash |
| 17:03.17 | ccox | Computerpunk: the rest are intimidated, or getting ready for work |
| 17:03.18 | syrae | Jamash: heh. I wish. |
| 17:03.18 | Moonwitch | I should tell them to hang out here :P |
| 17:03.48 | syrae | Moonwitch: oh man.... you should see my IRC convos if I've had some sugar.... :P |
| 17:03.52 | Jamash | we let it all hang out here |
| 17:04.06 | Moonwitch | Jamash: I realized too late what I wrote :P |
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| 17:04.16 | Moonwitch | it's why I love this room .. |
| 17:04.45 | Jamash | chatroombbsforum |
| 17:04.49 | Jamash | ternet |
| 17:04.51 | syrae | yeah... I didn't need another good convo channel to hang out in during work. This is terrible news |
| 17:05.18 | Moonwitch | Panda blocked IRC |
| 17:05.32 | Moonwitch | but they left twitter open, my DM list is quite insane :P |
| 17:05.54 | Moonwitch | I should do as NightHawkTheSane told me.. get Linode for IRC and ssh into it |
| 17:06.46 | solo-work | Can't go wrong with linode |
| 17:06.50 | solo-work | been using them for years now |
| 17:08.01 | Moonwitch | I just was going to wait til I had a job again |
| 17:08.12 | Moonwitch | cuz it is pricier than I thought |
| 17:08.29 | angayelle | back to stupid lua noob now got : [string "ColorPickerOkayButton:OnClick"]:2: attempt to call field 'func' (a nil value) using this lua snippet http://wowuidev.pastey.net/141914 |
| 17:08.30 | Moonwitch | but -- can't I run IRC on it AND have apache running? (aka use as webserver too) |
| 17:08.36 | syrae | so.... it's dumb, but I want to do all my addon dev work when I'm at work. When I'm at home, I don't want to mess with it. SO I'm here, but have no client to try stuff out on. |
| 17:08.54 | angayelle | i understand the "func" arg is nil but can't figure where to correct it |
| 17:09.14 | Kraps | Jamash: the movie implies that more aliens will return and fuck earth up |
| 17:09.16 | Moonwitch | syrae: what do you do for work? And I generally had the same issue |
| 17:09.28 | Jamash | Kraps: awesome |
| 17:09.48 | syrae | Moonwitch: I do performance testing/analysis on entiprisey software. |
| 17:09.58 | syrae | So scripting, running tests, looking at results |
| 17:10.00 | Moonwitch | nice .. |
| 17:10.05 | syrae | stabbing eyes out |
| 17:10.06 | syrae | etc |
| 17:10.08 | Moonwitch | lol |
| 17:10.20 | Moonwitch | for some reason I always land tech support jobs |
| 17:10.20 | Jamash | Don't most companies have an employment contract clause that anything you develop at work is company-owned? |
| 17:10.25 | Moonwitch | for being yelled at |
| 17:10.44 | amro | Jamash: they can't steal what they don't know about |
| 17:10.46 | Teomyr | angayelle: just a guess, try swapping lines 5 and 8-9 |
| 17:10.52 | Jamash | not that they probably would care about a wow addon, I suppose |
| 17:10.57 | Jamash | since you can't sell them |
| 17:11.11 | angayelle | will try |
| 17:11.16 | Teomyr | angayelle: maybe it's trying to call .func before you set it when you modify the color picker's color |
| 17:11.24 | ccox | Jamash - most companies own everything you create while working for the company, not just at work |
| 17:11.37 | ccox | Jamash - you need permission to develop things on the side |
| 17:11.49 | Jamash | that sucks |
| 17:12.07 | ccox | Jamash - even if that thing isn't in the company's normal line of business, they have first rights on it (one way or another) |
| 17:12.20 | Jamash | I've only had contracts that talk about using company time and or resources |
| 17:12.27 | syrae | mmm |
| 17:12.35 | syrae | I think it really depends on the compan |
| 17:12.38 | ccox | sometimes you can get exceptions written into your contract (ie: you don't own my photography, just my code) |
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| 17:13.25 | syrae | at least at VMware, two fellows developed ReviewBoard as an internal open source project that they spun off to being usable externally and then they had to go through all sorts of legal wrangling to make sure VMware didn't actually own it. |
| 17:13.41 | syrae | On the plus side.. they won |
| 17:13.48 | ccox | it also depends on whether you are salaried or considered work for hire (ie: a contracttor) |
| 17:14.18 | Jamash | I've only contracted |
| 17:14.27 | Jamash | but I was in QA |
| 17:14.28 | breeze__ | Does anyone know how to set the points of a SimpleHTML frame? SetAllPoints doesn't seem to work. It seems to ignore all opposite points. |
| 17:14.48 | Moonwitch | actually my previous contracts didn't mention any of this... only that I can't work for another antivirus producent for the next year... (but lets face it.. I worked for Panda Security) |
| 17:15.29 | ccox | Moonwitch: try working for a tech company, or any company that creates intellectual property -- the contracts get more and more restrictive |
| 17:16.30 | Jamash | I think nocompete clauses are invalid in california, but I'm not sure |
| 17:17.11 | Moonwitch | ccox, try finding such companies in Belgium, which is like smack in the middle of friggin nowhere |
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| 17:19.34 | Ackis | is nice to Moonwitch |
| 17:19.47 | syrae | liar |
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| 17:21.09 | angayelle | teomyr that doesn't work either |
| 17:21.49 | syrae | I want Yssaril to get on so I can ask him about this implementation. Why don't people get on when I want them to be on? It's incredibly inconveneint |
| 17:22.09 | Fisker | Valve are awesome |
| 17:22.19 | Fisker | Five Steam community members participated in the initial round of content creation. Rob Laro, Shawn Spetch, Steven Skidmore, Spencer Kern, and Shaylyn Hamm created items for Team Fortress 2 which were then made available to other community members for purchase from the in-game Mann Co. Store. Today they received checks for the first two weeks of sales, with royalties ranging from $39,000 to |
| 17:22.19 | Fisker | $47,000 per person. |
| 17:22.35 | Teomyr | angayelle: where is the error happening? |
| 17:22.38 | syrae | Fisker: wow. Nice |
| 17:23.00 | angayelle | upon hitting okay after having chosen a color in the colorpicker |
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| 17:23.45 | syrae | Fisker: I know Valve is going to mail me something for helping demo Portal 2 at PAX, but I donno what. They just asked me for my mailing addy yesterday |
| 17:23.47 | Jamash | Fisker: holy crap |
| 17:23.55 | syrae | I doubt it'll be a check |
| 17:23.56 | Teomyr | angayelle: where's the code that is trying to call func? is it in an OnClick handler in your xml? |
| 17:24.16 | Jamash | I got a free shirt at pax |
| 17:24.31 | angayelle | yes with CombuColorPicker(); |
| 17:24.37 | Jamash | combu? |
| 17:24.43 | angayelle | so it call my colorpicker |
| 17:24.56 | syrae | Jamash: I demoed Sunday evening. They were out of shirts, so they gave me a card w/ a code on it and told me to mail them a pict of it. |
| 17:25.09 | Jamash | neat |
| 17:25.11 | angayelle | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:25.42 | angayelle | it's the name of the function which open the colopicker on line 11 |
| 17:25.48 | syrae | So either they printed more shirts to send out, or I am going to be recruited into a real life testing facility with portals and lazer beamz |
| 17:26.07 | Jamash | either way, score |
| 17:26.13 | syrae | indeed! |
| 17:26.20 | Jamash | my cousin works on portal :-O |
| 17:26.29 | Jamash | jealousy rays ~~~~ |
| 17:26.30 | syrae | hehe |
| 17:27.26 | Jamash | he made http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=651116 |
| 17:27.41 | syrae | I'm glad I'm not a game dev. It just kinda spoils it a little bit when you play the final version of your product and you're tainted by all the memories of the bugs that are still there and need to be fixed |
| 17:27.45 | Teomyr | angayelle: if you call CombuColorPicker(); then all its arguments will be nil, including CombuCallback |
| 17:28.01 | syrae | Jamash: haha |
| 17:28.03 | syrae | nice |
| 17:28.07 | Jamash | yeah |
| 17:28.08 | Teomyr | angayelle: if you assign that to ColorPickerFrame.func, that's where your error is coming from |
| 17:29.12 | Teomyr | angayelle: are combured, combugreen ... configuration variables? |
| 17:29.21 | angayelle | aye |
| 17:29.46 | Teomyr | angayelle: then they shouldn't be in the arguments list |
| 17:30.18 | Teomyr | angayelle: try changing the function protoype to function CombuColorPicker() |
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| 17:38.07 | Jamash | I need to make flyouts work :-% |
| 17:38.32 | Jamash | I was hoping that there would be an api to make our own flyouts honestly |
| 17:38.57 | Jamash | I suppose I could hijack the blizzard template |
| 17:39.07 | jcapelo | hey everyone |
| 17:39.14 | Jamash | hey |
| 17:39.30 | syrae | Yssaril! You're online! |
| 17:39.35 | syrae | hooray! |
| 17:39.37 | jcapelo | i am interested in starting to develop for wow, any pointers on where to start? |
| 17:39.41 | Yssaril | shit you saw me |
| 17:39.59 | syrae | heh. Yeah, sorry. |
| 17:39.59 | Yssaril | syrae: how can i help? |
| 17:40.09 | syrae | Yssaril: thanks for the link yesterday. |
| 17:40.15 | Yssaril | np |
| 17:40.24 | syrae | I had a question on the implementation, though |
| 17:40.34 | Yssaril | go for it |
| 17:40.54 | solo-work | jcapelo: http://www.wowpedia.org/Getting_started_with_writing_addons |
| 17:41.00 | syrae | Though i didn't test it myself, It was my understanding that IsUsableSpell() would return 0/nil if the spell isn't learned |
| 17:41.24 | Yssaril | syrae: seams to be different for mounts :) |
| 17:41.35 | syrae | Yssaril: mkay. |
| 17:41.55 | Yssaril | feel free to test for yourself |
| 17:42.20 | jcapelo | \ |
| 17:42.26 | jcapelo | thanks solo-work will check it out |
| 17:42.28 | syrae | The other thing was that while I was swimming in Shalozar yesterday, I know that IsUsableSpell() on the Golden Gryphon mount did return true while swimming, I'm pretty sure. |
| 17:43.10 | syrae | Yssaril: also, thanks for dealing with my pestering. It's incredibly informative |
| 17:43.10 | Yssaril | syrae: it does on the surface however when you dive down it should not (you can summon flying mounts on the surface now fyi) |
| 17:43.20 | syrae | really? |
| 17:43.23 | syrae | huh |
| 17:43.24 | Yssaril | yup :) |
| 17:43.40 | syrae | I have stuff to test this evening! |
| 17:43.49 | Yssaril | hehe |
| 17:45.13 | syrae | Yssaril: thanks. I appreciate the clarifications. |
| 17:45.17 | Yssaril | syrae: also if you are gonna use a simila function you also need to use the event UPDATE_WORLD_STATES on it (this will update your state for wintergrasp) |
| 17:45.33 | syrae | ok |
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| 17:46.16 | syrae | Wintergrasp is such a pain |
| 17:46.20 | syrae | even now |
| 17:46.23 | Yssaril | yep |
| 17:46.45 | syrae | my friend's work around was just to try summoning a flier, and if it failed through, summon a land mount. :P |
| 17:47.01 | Jamash | fuuuuuuuuuuu |
| 17:47.05 | Yssaril | yea isflyablearea never worked correctly there |
| 17:47.12 | Jamash | why doesn't it work :< |
| 17:47.28 | syrae | Jamash: did you sacrifice a gnome to the addon gods yet? |
| 17:47.32 | Jamash | hmm |
| 17:47.35 | Jamash | worth trying |
| 17:47.43 | syrae | which reminds me |
| 17:47.51 | syrae | I need to buy a lawn gnome for my sister. |
| 17:48.05 | Fisker | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1213128/steam-service-error.png <- YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAH |
| 17:48.11 | Fisker | Steam should do that on every macs |
| 17:49.01 | Yssaril | syrae: fyi just tested again with a protodrake id (which i do not have) and IsUsableSPell worked like a charm |
| 17:49.16 | syrae | Yssaril: thanks for the confirmation :) |
| 17:50.01 | Jamash | Fisker: lewl |
| 17:50.09 | syrae | Yssaril: my problem is that I try to do all my development thinking/work when I'm at work because I don't want to deal with it by the time I get home. Heh. makes it hard to test anything. |
| 17:50.15 | Yssaril | syrae: also as of last testing the AQ only bug mounts can not be summoned in AQ anymore :P |
| 17:50.25 | Jamash | syrae: vnc? |
| 17:50.26 | syrae | WHUT?!? |
| 17:50.31 | syrae | They broke it?!? |
| 17:50.34 | syrae | THE BASTARDS |
| 17:50.39 | Yssaril | at least on beta |
| 17:50.48 | Yssaril | i did report it so it may get fixed |
| 17:50.51 | syrae | I don't have a beta invite, unfortunately. |
| 17:51.03 | Yssaril | no idea if that went live though |
| 17:51.07 | syrae | Otherwise it'd make developing a Cata addon a lot easier |
| 17:51.13 | solo-work | wow over vnc is...not fun. :P I've tried |
| 17:51.31 | Yssaril | syrae: did you no get one through curse or wowint? |
| 17:51.43 | syrae | Jamash: I also have my manager sitting right next to me, so VNC would probably not help me much in the long run |
| 17:51.54 | Jamash | doh |
| 17:52.08 | syrae | Yssaril: The addon I work on is on Google Code and mostly used by guildies. It's not really a widely available one |
| 17:52.17 | Jamash | you need a text-based wow client :) |
| 17:52.18 | Yssaril | ahhhh |
| 17:52.26 | syrae | thus, since I'm not an official member of the community, I get nothing! :D |
| 17:52.31 | Jamash | >LOOK |
| 17:52.35 | Jamash | You see a noob. |
| 17:52.37 | Jamash | >GANK NOOB |
| 17:52.39 | syrae | Jamash: haha |
| 17:52.44 | Dagmar | You can have a stabbing, if you like |
| 17:52.45 | amro | You are likely to be eaten by a Devilsaur |
| 17:52.47 | Jamash | The noob casts Summon Guild. |
| 17:52.51 | Jamash | You have died. |
| 17:52.54 | syrae | Jamash: I was IRCing scripts to my friend to test them last night. |
| 17:53.02 | Yssaril | syrae: what does your addon do anyways? |
| 17:53.18 | syrae | Yssaril: http://code.google.com/p/mountthis/ |
| 17:53.39 | syrae | Yssaril: you pick which of your bazillion mounts you like, and it'll randomly select one of the appropriate type per zone |
| 17:53.44 | Jamash | mmk, so I need a way to determine whether a trainer item is a spell or a tradeskill, let me see |
| 17:54.40 | Jamash | or I could just count up how many I'm buying and decrement a variable... |
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| 17:56.18 | Yssaril | syrae: LOL the config in my addon is almost as big as your entire addon code (excluding libs of course) |
| 17:57.06 | Yssaril | i remember when Mounted used to be just a simple Mount addon /sigh |
| 17:59.25 | zenzelezz | "Dog owners can sleep easy tonight because physicists have discovered how rapidly a wet dog should oscillate its body to dry its fur. Presumably, dogs already know." |
| 17:59.35 | Dewin | <3 Slashdot |
| 17:59.41 | zenzelezz | indeed |
| 18:01.52 | Dagmar | W00! Wikia is suckin' hard now.... Pfft. |
| 18:02.54 | zenzelezz | as opposed to not before? |
| 18:03.44 | Jamash | why does wow crash when I run scripts |
| 18:04.18 | sylvanaar_work | same reason it crashes when you try to move chatframes |
| 18:04.28 | Jamash | I haven't had that happen |
| 18:04.40 | sylvanaar_work | its a mystery |
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| 18:08.50 | Moonwitch | Jamash, perhaps you made my mistake? -- and let a function call itself instead of a local ref |
| 18:08.56 | Moonwitch | hi Cide |
| 18:09.14 | Jamash | nah |
| 18:09.24 | olafski | does anyone happen to know which addon the frame "bag5mover" (and 1-9) could be from? :$ |
| 18:09.39 | Moonwitch | no idea |
| 18:09.47 | solo-work | throwin an error? |
| 18:10.20 | olafski | I better find a text editor to use find in all files or something :P |
| 18:10.44 | Dewin | grep? :-p |
| 18:10.56 | Dewin | or Notepad++ |
| 18:11.04 | olafski | bleh grep |
| 18:11.10 | Shirik | vim |
| 18:11.21 | olafski | none of that crap on my laptop plx :) |
| 18:11.25 | Shirik | what |
| 18:11.29 | Shirik | how dare you call vim crap |
| 18:11.31 | amro | ~gag olafski |
| 18:11.31 | purl | ACTION takes away the voice of olafski and, as an additional precaution, sews olafski's mouth shut permanently... |
| 18:11.33 | Jamash | notepad++ yo |
| 18:11.33 | amro | there |
| 18:11.51 | olafski | as I expected the addon was MovableBags :P strange, putting invisible frames in locations that make no sense |
| 18:12.04 | Jamash | vim isn't crap, it just plays it on tv |
| 18:12.06 | olafski | jamash: I could have considered that one :) |
| 18:12.16 | olafski | (notepad that is, not vim) |
| 18:12.22 | amro | Jamash: I don't get it |
| 18:12.32 | amro | also, fuck grep |
| 18:12.33 | amro | use ack |
| 18:12.34 | syrae | Yssaril: yeah. Our code is pretty small. It's a "my first addon" type of development. Not happy about all the Ace libs we're using for something so simple, though |
| 18:12.51 | Dewin | amro: My mingw/msys install doesn't have ack |
| 18:13.01 | Dewin | but it does have awk |
| 18:13.08 | amro | your mingw/msys install doesn't have a soul |
| 18:13.19 | amro | awk is for crazy people |
| 18:13.42 | Dagmar | The other option is generally pattern matching in bash. |
| 18:13.43 | solo-work | notepad++ is pretty good imo |
| 18:13.46 | Dewin | which is why I use grep. I am quite sane. Actually, I'm not, but there's a few threads of sanity left there. *snip* |
| 18:13.49 | Dagmar | I'll stick with awk. |
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| 18:14.25 | olafski | I've always liked ultraedit |
| 18:14.27 | olafski | visual studio does it too.. but I have neither installed on my laptop |
| 18:14.46 | Dewin | I do most of my development work in notepad++ |
| 18:14.57 | Jamash | ultraedit costs monies |
| 18:14.58 | Yssaril | syrae: yea eventhough my code is alot bigger my zip is slightly smaller than yours :P |
| 18:14.59 | Computerpunk | I'm on Notepad++ for Lua. |
| 18:14.59 | olafski | well, I have VS but that's in a virtualpc.. bit too much work to first copy my addons to the virtualpc just to be able to find that text in a bunch of lua files ;) |
| 18:15.07 | olafski | jamash: it does.. but I'm used to it :) |
| 18:15.11 | Computerpunk | visual studio for VS.NET |
| 18:15.14 | sylvanaar_work | IntelliJ IDE + My Lua Plugin !!! |
| 18:15.21 | Dewin | And I use nppexec to check lua scripts for errors |
| 18:15.24 | Computerpunk | !!! |
| 18:15.26 | syrae | Yssaril: oh ho! Now we're comparing package sizes. |
| 18:15.31 | Yssaril | :P |
| 18:15.42 | sylvanaar_work | http://bitbucket.org/sylvanaar2/lua-for-idea/wiki/Home |
| 18:15.56 | syrae | come on, I can't be the only one who was thinking that... >_> |
| 18:16.14 | amro | Dagmar: but why not ack? |
| 18:16.22 | amro | if you're searching through files there's nothing easier |
| 18:16.48 | Dagmar | Because it's probably some retarded windows knockoff tool |
| 18:16.54 | Computerpunk | sylvanaar, gief WoW API |
| 18:16.57 | amro | you don't even know what it is |
| 18:17.01 | amro | ~stab Dagmar |
| 18:17.01 | purl | ACTION runs at Dagmar with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 18:17.21 | amro | install it now before I upgrade to samurai swords |
| 18:17.22 | Dagmar | amro: That's because I use an operating system meant for work, not for pretending to work while you play Solitaire and Minesweeper |
| 18:17.23 | sylvanaar_work | Computerpunk: its on the list - a general way to add api info |
| 18:17.37 | Computerpunk | :3 |
| 18:17.41 | amro | Dagmar: you need to stop making assumptions and looking like an idiot |
| 18:17.42 | Computerpunk | sylvanaar, if you need help, I'ma help. |
| 18:17.45 | amro | ack is a nix tool |
| 18:17.53 | amro | it's like grep but 100x better |
| 18:18.03 | Dewin | Dagmar: At my old work place, we once had a particularly busy day where, around 1 PM, my boss turned to me and said "I'm very upset. I haven't got to play even one game of solitaire yet today." |
| 18:18.07 | Dagmar | ...and which distros have been shipping it for >5 years now? |
| 18:18.23 | amro | what the hell is your point? |
| 18:18.40 | amro | install it, your file-searching life will improve |
| 18:18.41 | sylvanaar_work | Computerpunk: i love help, but its pretty tough figuring it exactly how to add in a good way |
| 18:18.50 | Dagmar | "nix" coders are generally more mindful of acronym collisions |
| 18:18.53 | Dewin | I NAK the existance of ack. |
| 18:19.01 | sylvanaar_work | eot |
| 18:19.04 | amro | yeah but who cares about the other ack |
| 18:19.22 | Dewin | Though I'm ready to FIN this conversation. |
| 18:19.22 | Dagmar | People who do work. |
| 18:19.25 | Computerpunk | sylvanaar, how is the function name dump extracted from _G? |
| 18:19.33 | amro | Dagmar: the other ack is a kanji converter |
| 18:19.34 | Computerpunk | do you iterate and if type == function, write down? |
| 18:19.52 | amro | when will your attempts at condescension stop? |
| 18:20.01 | Fisker | btw Shirik |
| 18:20.11 | Dagmar | When your attempts at saying silly crap end |
| 18:20.12 | Fisker | apparently i have to view Inception now due to South Park |
| 18:20.18 | sylvanaar_work | Computerpunk: you mean for the structure view? |
| 18:20.23 | amro | wow Dagmar, just wow |
| 18:20.36 | amro | if you'd just googled ack, you wouldn't be looking like a tool |
| 18:20.42 | amro | but I've got work to do |
| 18:21.09 | Dagmar | Look monkey boy, don't expect me to use something like ack for a job meant for awk, dig? |
| 18:21.33 | Dagmar | ...and don't get your panties all in a wad when I refuse, either. |
| 18:21.33 | Computerpunk | sylvanaar, yes. |
| 18:21.33 | amro | I said use it for searching through files |
| 18:21.41 | amro | which is a job meant for ack |
| 18:21.41 | Baps | that's what she sed |
| 18:21.54 | amro | but really, go on |
| 18:21.56 | amro | use awk |
| 18:22.00 | Dagmar | amro: Unfortunately for you, not necessarily |
| 18:22.11 | sylvanaar_work | Computerpunk: well i have parsed the entire file and built an AST, so i know everything that is in it |
| 18:22.14 | amro | I'm done |
| 18:22.15 | Dagmar | It's clear now the problem is that you don't understand what *awk* is for |
| 18:22.20 | amro | I do |
| 18:22.21 | foxlit | wtb textmate2 already |
| 18:22.34 | amro | it's clear now the problem is that you must always be 100% right |
| 18:22.35 | Dagmar | No, if you can't see the difference between those two tools, you really don't. |
| 18:22.45 | nevcairiel | amro: you're just noticing that now? |
| 18:22.48 | Dagmar | That's because I generally am right, you dunce |
| 18:22.51 | amro | I've used awk |
| 18:22.55 | amro | you haven't used ack |
| 18:22.56 | amro | and now |
| 18:23.11 | amro | something I should have done a long time ago [19:22] [Ignore] Added Dagmar!* to your ignore list. |
| 18:23.17 | Dagmar | awk is mainly useful for rummaging through files which have _field sepators_ |
| 18:23.43 | Dagmar | Yeah that's right, cop a tude just because I've been doing Unix longer than you've been interested in girls |
| 18:23.55 | sylvanaar_work | i use PowerGREP which is made of awesome |
| 18:23.56 | Dagmar | s/sepators/separators/ |
| 18:24.15 | nevcairiel | is that like grep, just with more power and caps? |
| 18:24.21 | Dagmar | If you took that attitude towards everyone with more experience, I don't even want to know how that potty-training thing went for you. |
| 18:24.43 | sylvanaar_work | its made by JGSoft who make RegexBuddy and EditPadPro |
| 18:24.56 | nevcairiel | that doesnt tell me anything |
| 18:25.02 | amro | regexbuddy is awesome |
| 18:25.04 | Shirik | RegexBuddy is awesome |
| 18:25.06 | Shirik | ^ |
| 18:25.06 | sylvanaar_work | see |
| 18:25.10 | Dagmar | The whole "OMG this new tool is awesome and must be used for everything we possibly can" is how you get non-portability and fragmentation. |
| 18:25.25 | nevcairiel | i manually craft the few regex that i need |
| 18:25.36 | Shirik | no you don't understand |
| 18:25.37 | nevcairiel | (whats plural of regex?) |
| 18:25.40 | Shirik | RegexBuddy is awesome |
| 18:25.42 | Shirik | Regi |
| 18:25.42 | amro | yes |
| 18:25.47 | foxlit | es |
| 18:25.47 | olafski | regii |
| 18:25.49 | olafski | :D |
| 18:25.50 | Jamash | Dagmar: umadbro? |
| 18:25.51 | Dewin | reggae? |
| 18:25.52 | Dagmar | I agree with Shirik tho |
| 18:25.53 | nevcairiel | regexii? |
| 18:25.53 | Shirik | ^ |
| 18:25.58 | Shirik | I like Dewin's answer |
| 18:26.00 | amro | ~Dewin++ |
| 18:26.01 | Dagmar | Jamash: No, I will outlive most of the newbs anyway |
| 18:28.12 | Dagmar | Seriously, what the hell is wrong with someone even thinking that a tool that is mainly a hepped up version of grep, is seriously supposed to do the fucking job of awk? |
| 18:28.22 | Dagmar | What mental defect makes that chain of logic into sense? |
| 18:28.50 | olafski | I can think of a couple ;) |
| 18:28.55 | Dagmar | Seems like a real case of "i haz hammer. every1 r nails" syndrome |
| 18:29.00 | sylvanaar_work | i think you need some positive lookahead |
| 18:29.09 | olafski | but I'm no psychiatrists so I better not name them |
| 18:29.30 | olafski | -s |
| 18:29.33 | Jamash | Dagmar is PMSing |
| 18:29.56 | Dagmar | Jamash: SOmeone needs to dcc amro some weed then |
| 18:30.18 | Jamash | he gave a suggestion and you freaked out completely out of proportion to the situation |
| 18:30.20 | Dagmar | I'm not PMSing, I just don't think I should have to put up with that kind of crap |
| 18:30.45 | nevcairiel | he always does that when you question anything he says. Sometiems its fun to watch, most of the time its just annoying |
| 18:30.54 | Dagmar | Jamash: No, I simply disagreed. He wouldn't let it go and decided to be insulting about it. |
| 18:31.25 | olafski | what's new.. you have a little discussion, he accuses you of putting words in his mouth or taking things out of context and rageleaves |
| 18:31.25 | Dagmar | Being that he was telling *me* I should be using this ack tool instead of awk. |
| 18:31.28 | olafski | that's about it right? :) |
| 18:31.32 | Jamash | <Dagmar> Because it's probably some retarded windows knockoff tool |
| 18:31.48 | Jamash | that's you starting with the insults |
| 18:31.52 | Dagmar | Jamash: I got the operating system wrong, but not the general idea |
| 18:31.59 | nevcairiel | olafski: sadly he doesnt leave :P |
| 18:32.19 | olafski | nevcairiel: who? |
| 18:32.22 | Jamash | how dare he suggest that the mighty Dagmar try a piece of software that isn't older than mount everest |
| 18:32.35 | Jamash | the audacity |
| 18:33.51 | sylvanaar_work | man its popcorn time in here today.... |
| 18:33.53 | olafski | ahh silence ;) |
| 18:33.54 | olafski | oh |
| 18:34.28 | olafski | I thought everyone just went quiet :P |
| 18:34.59 | batrick | Shirik: !!!pingping!!! |
| 18:35.02 | Dagmar | Jamash: Back up again. He was suggesting it replace awk |
| 18:35.03 | batrick | need ur halp |
| 18:35.12 | Jamash | who uses awk? |
| 18:35.13 | Dagmar | So of course I'm going to not accept that as a reasonable thing to do |
| 18:35.21 | Dagmar | *I* use awk. |
| 18:36.00 | Dagmar | Tons of shit writes into files which are basically chock full of field separators. There's no point in applying regexps to the entire file when one field will do |
| 18:36.48 | Ackis | lua> 2500 / 12 |
| 18:36.49 | Jamash | do you wear suspenders that keep your belt six inches above your waist, a bow tie, and sit on your porch waving your cane at the youngsters who keep listening to their hip-hop music and walking across your lawn? |
| 18:36.49 | lua_bot | Ackis: 208.33333333333 |
| 18:37.22 | syrae | there's a calculator in here? |
| 18:37.28 | syrae | oh man! |
| 18:37.35 | Dagmar | Here's an idea. Fuck youl. |
| 18:37.38 | syrae | I'll never have to use Google again! |
| 18:37.54 | Jamash | ./ignore Dagmar |
| 18:38.15 | Dagmar | Gosh, it must be so terrible that not everyone just takes the insults and runs away. |
| 18:38.19 | olafski | oh come on jamash .. announcing an ignore :P |
| 18:38.20 | Shadowed | christ |
| 18:38.24 | Shadowed | stop acting like children |
| 18:38.38 | Shadowed | Just because most of us are at blizzcon doesn't mean you guys can start acting like children |
| 18:38.40 | Jamash | I always announce ignores |
| 18:38.54 | durcyn | grow up |
| 18:38.54 | Dagmar | I'm not freaking apologizing for having years of experience coding and doing admin work. No way, no how. |
| 18:38.59 | nevcairiel | Shadowed: its not like thats new today :d |
| 18:39.13 | durcyn | you're making Ackis look mature by comparison, for fuck's sake |
| 18:39.17 | Shadowed | unfortunately not nevcairiel |
| 18:39.20 | Dagmar | Complain to your parents about not having had you sooner if it's a problem. |
| 18:39.29 | Shadowed | Dagmar, cut it out |
| 18:39.44 | Dagmar | Shadowed: When the insults stop, sure. |
| 18:39.45 | Shadowed | I don't care who started it, just stop it |
| 18:39.48 | Shadowed | all of you |
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| 18:41.22 | solo-work | Wish I was at Blizzcon :/ |
| 18:41.29 | olafski | jamash: why? if you're going to ignore someone, just do it.. :( |
| 18:42.10 | sylvanaar_work | ive never been to blizzcon |
| 18:42.13 | olafski | I do so wonder what they're going to announce at blizzcon |
| 18:42.18 | Jamash | warcraft 4 |
| 18:42.21 | olafski | it hasn't started yet has it? |
| 18:42.25 | nevcairiel | WoW-wise, this blizzcon seems "boring" |
| 18:42.25 | olafski | jamash: anything interesting? ;) |
| 18:42.32 | nevcairiel | not much new stuff they could announce |
| 18:42.35 | Shadowed | You go to blizzcon more for the people |
| 18:42.36 | olafski | nevcairiel: yer that's what I thought |
| 18:42.39 | Shadowed | and the SC2 tournaments |
| 18:42.47 | Jamash | they could announce DIII classes |
| 18:42.49 | olafski | don't care about SC2 and I doubt I'd know anyone there :P |
| 18:42.52 | nevcairiel | I hate watching RTS |
| 18:42.56 | olafski | I will look at the costume contests though, those are fun :) |
| 18:42.57 | nevcairiel | its so .. meh |
| 18:42.59 | Shadowed | then you pretty much go for the people :P |
| 18:43.18 | olafski | and I assume all the wow news will be on mmo-c =) |
| 18:43.19 | Fisker | hey Shadowed |
| 18:43.23 | nevcairiel | its kinda far for us EU people |
| 18:43.25 | Baps | they'll probably announce/show the last D3 class |
| 18:43.29 | olafski | yer |
| 18:43.35 | Shadowed | Not my fault you live in the EU! |
| 18:43.36 | Jamash | anyone liveblogging it? |
| 18:43.38 | Fisker | they'll show their new mmo! |
| 18:43.53 | sylvanaar_work | mmomg |
| 18:43.54 | Shadowed | I'm sure wowinsider will |
| 18:43.54 | nevcairiel | Jamash: many people, i'm sure |
| 18:43.55 | Fisker | that would be piracy Jamash ! |
| 18:44.05 | olafski | mmoc is liveblogging it too I think |
| 18:44.07 | Baps | I think it's unlikely they show off the new mmo, there's no panel time scheduled that could possibly be that |
| 18:44.08 | Dewin | that seems like a stupid thing to announce with Cata coming out. I imagine that'd be more of a next year thing |
| 18:44.11 | Jamash | I didn't say livestreaming, just blogging |
| 18:44.12 | Shadowed | I don't think mmoc has anyone there |
| 18:44.17 | Shadowed | it would probably be a curse person |
| 18:44.17 | olafski | oh |
| 18:44.24 | olafski | I thought it said something about that on the last news post |
| 18:44.43 | Shadowed | ah so they did |
| 18:44.44 | solo-work | tankspot liveblogged last year I imagine they will be this year as well |
| 18:44.47 | Shadowed | pretty sure it's going to be a curse person :p |
| 18:44.55 | Shadowed | Bibi would probably get poisoned if he went to blizzcon |
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| 18:45.16 | Bibi | :D |
| 18:45.24 | Bibi | Kody is liveblogging this year |
| 18:45.26 | Bibi | ^^ |
| 18:45.29 | zenzelezz | isn't Adys there? |
| 18:45.34 | Shadowed | it's adys |
| 18:45.37 | Bibi | yeah, but not doing anything for me |
| 18:45.43 | Bibi | he's on funny vacation time afaik |
| 18:47.50 | olafski | why would bibi get poisoned? |
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| 18:48.10 | olafski | I'm not that up to date on wow politics it seems ;) |
| 18:49.06 | Ackis | I'd poison Bibi |
| 18:49.14 | olafski | aw you love him |
| 18:49.19 | olafski | hey ackis did you get Limbo? |
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| 18:49.51 | Ackis | no |
| 18:49.56 | Ackis | I got super meat boy however |
| 18:50.06 | Ackis | I need to get another game or two for the monthly deal however |
| 18:50.16 | olafski | monthy deal :O |
| 18:50.21 | olafski | super meat boy looks great |
| 18:50.26 | olafski | I think it's too difficult for me though |
| 18:51.39 | olafski | I'll try the demo :D |
| 18:52.47 | olafski | comic jumper was crap imo.. seemed like a nice idea |
| 18:52.54 | Ackis | it looks hard but fiancee wanted it so I got it |
| 18:52.58 | olafski | :) |
| 18:53.00 | Ackis | it's on sale right now for 33% off /shrug |
| 18:53.07 | Ackis | it didn't interest me |
| 18:53.13 | Ackis | costume quest kinda does, too expensive |
| 18:53.25 | olafski | the penny arcade piece about comic jumper was what made me try it |
| 18:53.34 | olafski | good thing arcade games have demos |
| 18:53.39 | olafski | do you have shadow complex btw? |
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| 18:54.47 | olafski | costume quest sounds interesting.. I'll grab that demo too then |
| 18:54.50 | Ackis | I think I have it |
| 18:54.54 | nicoli_s | i hear shadow complex is great |
| 18:54.54 | Ackis | never played it though |
| 18:54.59 | olafski | I loved it nicoli_s |
| 18:55.28 | olafski | nice gameplay, compelling and fun |
| 18:55.29 | nicoli_s | its very metroidy right? |
| 18:55.36 | olafski | I have no idea :P |
| 18:55.40 | olafski | I think it's been compared with that though |
| 18:56.59 | olafski | kind of expensive for an XBLA game.. they really shouldn't go over 1200 MSP (I think SC is 1600) |
| 19:00.03 | amro | shadow complex sounds like a psychological disorder for people obsessed with shadows |
| 19:04.34 | KarlKFI|work | so anyone who's played doom? |
| 19:04.52 | Dagmar | Do you perhaps mean Doom III? |
| 19:04.58 | KarlKFI|work | sure |
| 19:05.09 | olafski | <-- |
| 19:05.15 | olafski | 2 months ago last I think |
| 19:05.19 | Kraps | i like the narrator of idiocracy: since humans have no natural predators, the herd doesnt get thinned |
| 19:05.30 | Dagmar | KarlKFI: I can definitely get behind that one |
| 19:05.40 | olafski | oh I still need to watch that |
| 19:05.47 | KarlKFI|work | i was refering to amro's "psychological disorder for people obsessed with shadows" |
| 19:06.04 | KarlKFI|work | doom induced |
| 19:06.04 | olafski | hm |
| 19:06.06 | Ackis | amro is a psychological disorder |
| 19:06.07 | olafski | didn't see that |
| 19:06.13 | amro | Ackis: you know that's right |
| 19:06.46 | KarlKFI|work | idiocracy is great, yes |
| 19:09.12 | amro | I just wrote this line of code: @flogger.send(m, args[0].gsub(/(<\w+>)|(<\/\w+>)/, "")) |
| 19:10.03 | olafski | this game is quite hard ackis :P |
| 19:11.17 | Ackis | lol |
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| 19:12.43 | olafski | funny though |
| 19:15.28 | olafski | weird, bugged out just now.. no buy! |
| 19:19.09 | zenzelezz | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/10/21/funny-pictures-contents-may-have-settled/ |
| 19:20.05 | olafski | is that some "normal" thing to say when shipping something? |
| 19:20.24 | Jamash | it's standard verbiage for dry goods |
| 19:20.33 | olafski | what does it mean? |
| 19:20.42 | olafski | maybe there's some meaning of settled I'm not thinking of |
| 19:20.54 | Jamash | it means that the box isn't full because the contents compacted a bit |
| 19:20.56 | jnwhiteh | as in things settling to the bottom |
| 19:21.00 | jnwhiteh | what Jamash said =) |
| 19:21.02 | olafski | I was thinking something like if you have a suspension all the suspended stuff will "settle" at the bottom |
| 19:21.08 | olafski | but you said dry goods :/ |
| 19:21.18 | olafski | ohh |
| 19:21.22 | olafski | okay :) |
| 19:23.34 | jnwhiteh | hahaha |
| 19:23.36 | jnwhiteh | so you know the macbook pros |
| 19:23.38 | jnwhiteh | well |
| 19:23.40 | jnwhiteh | I just put my phone, which is slightly magnetic, on the front left corner |
| 19:23.42 | jnwhiteh | and the laptop thought the lid was closed and shut down |
| 19:23.44 | jnwhiteh | <-- amused |
| 19:24.08 | olafski | I always wondered how laptops find out if the lid is closed |
| 19:24.11 | nevcairiel | magnetic sensors ftl, eh |
| 19:24.14 | mikma | jnwhiteh: try the superstrong magnet and see what happens |
| 19:24.16 | olafski | there used to be those pins that were pushed if you close it |
| 19:24.25 | olafski | but I don't see that on mine :P |
| 19:24.28 | nevcairiel | olafski: the old ones just have small pins that get pushed in when the lid closes |
| 19:24.36 | nevcairiel | doh too slow |
| 19:24.41 | olafski | :)) |
| 19:24.44 | olafski | I has a latitude |
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| 19:27.11 | Jamash | the Nintendo DS has a magnetic sensor that's triggered by the magnet in the speakers |
| 19:27.27 | olafski | clever :) |
| 19:27.31 | Jamash | I expect some laptops use a similar technique |
| 19:28.12 | Jamash | mine seems to notice that it's closed when it's still about 15 degrees open, so I guess it has something in the hinge |
| 19:28.40 | olafski | hm |
| 19:28.51 | Jamash | whereas my old one wouldn't believe it was closed unless I closed it all the way and laid something on top of it to hold it closed |
| 19:28.57 | Fisker | it's like a taco within a taco jnwhiteh |
| 19:29.09 | olafski | fisker: I like that one |
| 19:29.13 | olafski | even though I have no clue what it means :P |
| 19:29.38 | clever | Jamash: the laptop i'm typing on now has a magnet in the lcd panel and a sensor in the body |
| 19:29.45 | Jamash | I had a zomgwtf moment with an imac g5 |
| 19:29.56 | clever | Jamash: but most of them have either a button near the hinge that you can poke by hand, or something within the hinge itself |
| 19:30.10 | olafski | lol there's someone here called clever.. sorry about that highlight :) |
| 19:30.20 | clever | happens all the time:P |
| 19:30.24 | olafski | ;) |
| 19:30.27 | Jamash | I was holding the little bitty remote and saying "this computer really needs something hang this remote on, like something on the side" and I held the remote against the right side of the computer and IT STUCK |
| 19:30.27 | Fisker | olafski South Park is totally taking the piss on Inception |
| 19:30.36 | olafski | fisker: hmkay.. haven't seen either |
| 19:30.45 | Jamash | something hang -> something to hang |
| 19:31.02 | Jamash | and I was like O_O |
| 19:31.16 | olafski | principle of least surprise? =) |
| 19:31.30 | Jamash | none of us read the manual >.> |
| 19:31.56 | olafski | I get stuff like that with visual studio every day |
| 19:32.00 | Jamash | so yeah, magnets |
| 19:32.01 | clever | Jamash: it can attract a screwdriver, but cant hold it up |
| 19:32.13 | Jamash | how do they work |
| 19:32.15 | Mirrormn | fucking magnets, mirite |
| 19:32.17 | olafski | a few days ago a coworker showed me that you can just push the program counter around while debugging |
| 19:32.24 | Jamash | push? |
| 19:32.25 | olafski | I was like :O |
| 19:32.26 | Jamash | with a finger? |
| 19:32.28 | olafski | drag, push, whatever :P |
| 19:32.35 | olafski | with your mouse.. |
| 19:32.54 | clever | olafski: yeah, most debugers can do that, but due to optimizations from the compiler, it may not work as you expect |
| 19:33.10 | olafski | clever: I never even considered trying it, figured that would totally mess things up |
| 19:33.14 | olafski | was nice to see :) |
| 19:33.46 | Jamash | I read somewhere about a guy who attached a hand-crank to his computer and used it to control stepping in his debugger |
| 19:33.47 | clever | -O3 would both screw it up alot and probly make normal debuging a pain too |
| 19:33.48 | olafski | would've been nice if I had that in java for my MSc thing |
| 19:33.58 | olafski | jamash: cool :P |
| 19:34.05 | clever | Jamash: that sounds like a simple thing to do |
| 19:34.25 | Jamash | I'm not a hardware guy |
| 19:35.03 | olafski | clever: I wouldn't even know if csc has a -O3 setting.. but I imagine when debugging you don't use optimizations =) |
| 19:37.43 | clever | Jamash: http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=9117 |
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| 19:37.58 | Jamash | there you g |
| 19:38.00 | Jamash | o |
| 19:38.07 | clever | Jamash: you could probly wire that to the printer port, and attach a crank to it |
| 19:38.19 | clever | then its just a matter of software to hit the single step key on each click |
| 19:38.29 | Jamash | I don't have a parallel port :) |
| 19:38.52 | Jamash | it'd have to be USB |
| 19:38.56 | olafski | I wish I could do that kind of stuff :P |
| 19:38.58 | clever | http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=9115 |
| 19:39.03 | clever | ok, then add this to your cart |
| 19:39.06 | Jamash | nice |
| 19:39.23 | clever | the software works a little different, but that chip can do bit-bang also, its not just uart |
| 19:39.54 | Jamash | your words mean nothing to me |
| 19:40.16 | olafski | the word uart sounds familiar ;) |
| 19:40.20 | clever | you could write some simple software to mash the up key every time you crank it one way, and down key for the other way |
| 19:40.26 | Jamash | sure |
| 19:40.28 | clever | and then use the crank to walk/run in wow :P |
| 19:40.39 | olafski | :D |
| 19:41.06 | clever | with some gearing, you might be able to do the same with a bike and use the pedals to move forward/back |
| 19:41.10 | Jamash | hook up a commodore 64 paddle controller imo |
| 19:41.13 | clever | give that raid a little bit more realism :P |
| 19:41.27 | Jamash | that gives you turn left / turn right, go forward / go back |
| 19:41.55 | clever | a few switches in the handle bars would let you steer normaly |
| 19:42.16 | clever | hot-glue a keyboard to the handle bars so you can do the rest |
| 19:42.55 | clever | only real problem is, would the game itself 'trust' fake key events from software? |
| 19:43.01 | clever | it might think its a bot and ignore them |
| 19:43.09 | olafski | or ban your arse |
| 19:43.32 | amro | not if you hide it well enough |
| 19:43.44 | olafski | wire another pc to actually push buttons on a real keyboard for your first pc ;) |
| 19:44.02 | syrae | I seriously need to stop highlighting on "bot" if I'm going to sit in this channel |
| 19:44.12 | clever | olafski: an AVR running a soft-usb stack could emulate a usb keyboard |
| 19:44.22 | olafski | clever: what jamash said ;) |
| 19:44.24 | clever | and it can run all the software if you program it right |
| 19:44.39 | olafski | why do you have a highlight on bot, syrae? |
| 19:44.47 | clever | so the you just connect a 'usb keyboard' thats part-bike |
| 19:45.05 | syrae | olafski: because I have a IRC bot that I maintain in other channels and I need to know when someone is bitching about him |
| 19:45.27 | amro | syrae: per-channel highlights ftw? |
| 19:45.30 | olafski | hmkay :P |
| 19:45.37 | syrae | amro: not on this client. :( |
| 19:45.47 | syrae | I need to get a real IRC client at some point |
| 19:45.56 | clever | i use irssi for everything now |
| 19:46.13 | olafski | everything IM/IRC I assume.. ;) |
| 19:46.25 | clever | its irc only |
| 19:46.38 | clever | only other IM i use daily is skype |
| 19:46.47 | mikma | Irssi 0.8.12 (20071006) - http://irssi.org/ <3 |
| 19:46.54 | clever | all MSN does is spam me with bots that want to show me pussy:P |
| 19:47.20 | clever | 21 16:47:11 -!- Irssi: Client: irssi 0.8.12 (20071006 0939) |
| 19:47.41 | clever | mikma: dang, you must be on an old ubuntu version too |
| 19:47.51 | clever | nearly identical version |
| 19:47.58 | mikma | clever: nope, debian |
| 19:48.09 | olafski | I use irssi, google talk (mostly through gmail) and office communicator |
| 19:48.09 | mikma | clever: /sv |
| 19:48.10 | clever | ah, they must share accient versions then |
| 19:48.10 | amro | old? you mean irssi's been updated? |
| 19:48.34 | mikma | 0.8.14 or so |
| 19:48.38 | clever | amro: i havent checked recently, but this ubuntu's packages are starting to get too old for everything |
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| 19:48.51 | amro | ubuntu's packages are pretty damn recent |
| 19:48.59 | amro | you want old, look at debian |
| 19:49.00 | clever | on the latest release, yes |
| 19:49.02 | clever | i have 7.10 |
| 19:49.08 | clever | which is a 3 year old release |
| 19:49.23 | mikma | oh, 0.8.15 |
| 19:49.51 | amro | 0.8.12 (20071006 0939) is not old for 7.10 at all |
| 19:49.54 | durcyn | good to know "NEVER SHIP 1.0" mentalities still exist |
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| 19:50.15 | clever | durcyn: one of my own apps is up to 0.346.21 now |
| 19:50.37 | amro | looks like a phone number |
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| 19:51.21 | Arrowmaster` | HI EVERYBODY! |
| 19:52.05 | Arrowmaster` | Xinhuan: *poke* |
| 19:52.40 | olafski | hewwo |
| 19:52.58 | syrae | Arrowmaster PRIME |
| 19:53.03 | clever | bbl |
| 19:53.34 | syrae | I secretly hope someone, somewhere has optimus' registered as their normal nick |
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| 19:54.24 | olafski | I assume someone does.. if not, you can do it yourself? :s |
| 19:54.52 | Angayelle | hai again |
| 19:54.56 | Xinhuan | hihi |
| 19:55.01 | syrae | olafski: I'm not a big enough transformers fan to justify it |
| 19:56.09 | olafski | my previous pc was called optimusprime |
| 19:56.17 | olafski | I replaced it, new one is called ultramagnus |
| 19:56.21 | olafski | and my server is called roller ;) |
| 19:56.22 | Jamash | my laptop is called Tachikoma |
| 19:57.05 | syrae | thus you are a bigger fan than I |
| 19:57.07 | olafski | I don't know what tachikoma means :< |
| 19:57.13 | olafski | quite possibly ;) |
| 19:57.25 | olafski | I had to search quite a while to even find the name Roller |
| 19:57.35 | olafski | though I guess to a true fan it would be obvious |
| 19:57.36 | Maldivia | ghost in the shell? |
| 19:57.38 | clever | Jamash: ive seen 2 seasons and the movie where the major begins to wonder if she is even humman herself |
| 19:57.43 | clever | Maldivia: yep |
| 19:57.45 | Jamash | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_in_the_Shell:_Stand_Alone_Complex |
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| 19:58.25 | olafski | I think I've seen ghost in the shell |
| 19:58.38 | syrae | awwwwww http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/27401640597/class-specific-quest-removal/ |
| 19:59.00 | Angayelle | i'm trying to change the color of a swatch using blizz code but though i have the good value in my variables, i have a nil error when specifying the target of :SetColorRGB http://wowuidev.pastey.net/141928 |
| 19:59.36 | Xyphoid | syrae: haha that was puzzling me last night, i was trying to find the ranseur paladin quest |
| 19:59.36 | Angayelle | i tried specifying all the textures name i could find but to no avail |
| 20:00.24 | Maldivia | Angayelle: you're trying to call SetColorRGB on a Button |
| 20:01.00 | Arrowmaster` | Bibi: you there? |
| 20:01.11 | Maldivia | Angayelle: SetColorRGB is for the ColorSelect widget |
| 20:01.21 | Angayelle | mmmh |
| 20:01.57 | Angayelle | i thought it could because i'm targeting the texture and because there is a <color> in the frame |
| 20:02.05 | Bibi | Arrowmaster: maybe |
| 20:02.52 | Angayelle | SetVertexColor then |
| 20:04.28 | Arrowmaster` | Bibi: Xinhuan and I have a good news story for mmoc |
| 20:04.45 | Bibi | does it involve naked gnomes? |
| 20:05.05 | Xinhuan | no one's talking :( |
| 20:05.26 | Bibi | they'd talk if they had naked gnomes |
| 20:05.38 | Arrowmaster` | we meet the guy in the frist spot in the blizzcon badge queue |
| 20:05.48 | Arrowmaster` | and he posed for a picture for us |
| 20:05.55 | Arrowmaster` | hes been there since 2:45am |
| 20:06.09 | Xinhuan | hehe |
| 20:06.13 | Ackis | nerds |
| 20:06.14 | Xinhuan | i am uploading it now |
| 20:07.07 | Arrowmaster` | Xinhuan is severly lagged right now |
| 20:07.16 | Arrowmaster` | this is funny because we are both on the same wifi |
| 20:07.18 | Ackis | jet lagged? |
| 20:09.14 | Fisker | it's like a taco within a taco Ackis |
| 20:09.17 | syrae | Ackis: as opposed to jet legged |
| 20:09.26 | Humbedooh | or hag fagged |
| 20:09.33 | Humbedooh | or was it fag hagged |
| 20:09.34 | Arrowmaster` | ~ping |
| 20:09.34 | purl | ~pong |
| 20:09.41 | syrae | ~ding |
| 20:09.41 | purl | dong |
| 20:09.47 | Humbedooh | ~ring |
| 20:09.47 | purl | *ring* *ring* *ring* *ring* *ring* *ring* *ring* Banana Phone |
| 20:09.47 | syrae | <3 <3 <3 |
| 20:09.49 | Humbedooh | :( |
| 20:09.59 | Humbedooh | :> |
| 20:10.02 | syrae | I had no idea that would work! I am so happy! |
| 20:10.23 | amro | yeah, it's not as obvious as some of the other commands |
| 20:10.30 | amro | such as |
| 20:10.37 | amro | ~whalenuke syrae |
| 20:10.37 | purl | ACTION dons her radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around syrae with his mind powers. |
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| 20:10.48 | syrae | YES |
| 20:10.49 | Arrowmaster` | this wifi sucks |
| 20:13.19 | Arrowmaster` | ~ping |
| 20:13.19 | purl | ~pong |
| 20:13.29 | Arrowmaster` | just checking |
| 20:14.28 | syrae | Arrowmaster': we're just being quiet to make you think you DC'd |
| 20:14.52 | Arrowmaster` | stop doing that |
| 20:15.05 | durcyn | don't you have a phone with an irc client by now |
| 20:15.10 | Arrowmaster` | no |
| 20:15.16 | Arrowmaster` | i dont have a smartphone |
| 20:15.22 | Arrowmaster` | xin's got an iphone though |
| 20:15.43 | Xinhuan | oh i'm fine now after moving the laptop |
| 20:16.21 | Arrowmaster` | im in bed with Xinhuan |
| 20:16.21 | durcyn | i thought about trying to go to blizzcon this year, but i figure they have my picture after i threatened chilton's kneecaps in 2005 |
| 20:17.31 | Xinhuan | http://kinkou.net/xinftp/blizzcon2010/PA220022.JPG |
| 20:17.39 | Xinhuan | this guy's been sitting there since 2.45 am :P |
| 20:17.47 | Xinhuan | badge collection starts at 4pm |
| 20:17.59 | Arrowmaster` | ~ping |
| 20:17.59 | purl | ~pong |
| 20:18.14 | krka | android with ssh and a server with screen and irssi ftw! |
| 20:18.15 | Arrowmaster` | i dont see the pong |
| 20:18.33 | Arrowmaster` | this wifi sucks |
| 20:18.53 | cbreak | durcyn: you look like 5 years ago? |
| 20:19.05 | durcyn | cbreak: doesn't everyone? |
| 20:19.10 | durcyn | also, hyperbole |
| 20:19.12 | cbreak | ... no :( |
| 20:19.23 | olafski | who's second in line? ;) |
| 20:20.30 | Arrowmaster` | didnt ask |
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| 20:21.41 | Ackis | which one is Arrowmaster` in the photo? |
| 20:22.01 | Arrowmaster` | im not in the photo |
| 20:22.22 | Ackis | :( |
| 20:22.37 | Humbedooh | he's the redhead ofc |
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| 20:38.50 | Kraps | http://xkcd.com/603/ |
| 20:41.54 | batrick | damn it Shirik is so bad at answering pings |
| 20:42.08 | durcyn | fucking Shirik |
| 20:42.18 | Shirik | what did I do :< |
| 20:42.19 | amro | ^that would explain why he's not answering |
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| 20:45.48 | batrick | omg |
| 20:45.58 | batrick | Shirik: helpl me find a speaker for my fpga |
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| 20:59.05 | dardack | is it possible to link people's name's for clicking like items? |
| 20:59.28 | zenzelezz | |hplayer, I think |
| 20:59.48 | dardack | is that |h then playername? |
| 21:00.02 | zenzelezz | no, |hplayer or something |
| 21:01.28 | zenzelezz | |Hplayer:name|h[Name]|h |
| 21:03.01 | dardack | can i ask where you found that |
| 21:03.08 | dardack | cause i've been searchign for a bit |
| 21:03.16 | dardack | and my google skills obviously suck |
| 21:03.50 | zenzelezz | I remembered it from before, so I googled until I hit the right thing... '+"|hplayer" warcraft' |
| 21:03.55 | Xinhuan | just /dump "shift-clicka player link" |
| 21:03.56 | Xinhuan | in game |
| 21:04.15 | Xinhuan | surround the link in " " |
| 21:04.15 | Xinhuan | and it will print out the raw string |
| 21:04.32 | olafski | ooh nice to know |
| 21:04.33 | olafski | thanks :) |
| 21:04.48 | Shirik | batrick |
| 21:04.49 | dardack | dump: rained rained=nil empty result |
| 21:04.51 | Shirik | a speaker? |
| 21:04.54 | Shirik | doesn't it come with one? |
| 21:05.00 | batrick | uh no |
| 21:05.06 | Angayelle | i know using local variables is good for the planet but i've lost our trying to get a color picker working and found the solution by removing the local from local function suggested in wowwiki |
| 21:05.12 | Angayelle | hour* |
| 21:05.30 | Angayelle | what's the point using local function ? same as variables ? |
| 21:05.40 | zenzelezz | yes |
| 21:05.45 | Cide | www.lua.org/pil |
| 21:06.47 | syrae | I keep forgetting that addons are written in a language I'm not familiar with. I spend all my time matching syntax I don't tend to notice. >_< |
| 21:07.20 | syrae | It's the APIs and call stack for WoW that I have more trouble with |
| 21:07.22 | Angayelle | thanks cide, it's just that i'm so lost in the pil, almost all the terms are unknown to me |
| 21:07.36 | Cide | it's a tutorial |
| 21:07.56 | Cide | if you don't get it you shouldn't be coding sharp code anyway |
| 21:08.52 | Angayelle | english not being my native language doesn't help either, but noone already coded an addon for what i'm doing, so |
| 21:09.04 | amro | he's referring to general programming concepts |
| 21:09.39 | Cide | english isn't my native language either |
| 21:09.45 | Cide | and your english is fine |
| 21:09.55 | olafski | what are you making angayelle? |
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| 21:10.04 | Angayelle | i understand and be sure that i'm worried that i might be bugging the hell out of you each time |
| 21:10.18 | olafski | and I have to say english not being a native language is being used as an excuse not to read stuff far too often :P |
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| 21:10.29 | Cide | you kinda are because you don't seem to make any effort to teach yourself |
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| 21:10.36 | Cide | because lua.org/pil is quite a good tutorial |
| 21:10.44 | Angayelle | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/combustionhelper.aspx |
| 21:10.48 | Cide | will you guys stop joining BEFORE you change host? |
| 21:11.13 | MentalPower__ | ? |
| 21:11.19 | Angayelle | 14k dl so far |
| 21:11.20 | Cide | :10 -!- MentalPower_ [~mentalpow@166.205.140.93] has joined #wowuidev |
| 21:11.20 | Cide | 23:10 -!- MentalPower_ [~mentalpow@166.205.140.93] has quit [Changing host] |
| 21:11.21 | Cide | 23:10 -!- MentalPower_ [~mentalpow@WoWUIDev/Norganna/Administrator/MentalPower] has joined #wowuidev |
| 21:11.31 | Cide | times 3 in the past minute (you x2, Mikk x1) |
| 21:11.41 | MentalPower__ | Blame 3G |
| 21:11.56 | zenzelezz | it's not 3G's fault |
| 21:12.00 | Ackis | aww cide princess |
| 21:12.02 | Mikk | i changed host? |
| 21:12.08 | zenzelezz | yes |
| 21:12.16 | Mikk | oh.. identification |
| 21:12.34 | Mikk | well bluh i have no clue how to make my irc client do that (pidgin) |
| 21:15.02 | amro | if language is the issue, we wouldn't be of much more help than PIL |
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| 21:20.03 | DWSR | Just identify /before/ you join any channels. |
| 21:20.38 | Cide | or in fact just make your ident password the server password |
| 21:20.40 | Cide | and you're done |
| 21:21.07 | olafski | then you don't have to send that message to nickserv anymore? |
| 21:21.15 | olafski | good tip, thanks :) |
| 21:21.47 | Cide | thank Shirik |
| 21:22.11 | olafski | I don't think I change host even if I auth.. not sure |
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| 21:23.05 | zenzelezz | olafski: do you have a cloak? |
| 21:23.06 | olafski | if you timeout 4 times in 10 minutes it might be time to stop using irc on that connection or get a shell though I think |
| 21:23.17 | olafski | no clue what that even is zenzelezz, so I guess not :) |
| 21:23.30 | zenzelezz | if you don't, then it doesn't happen |
| 21:23.35 | olafski | great :) |
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| 21:51.05 | solocommand | looking at |T[[Interface\blabla]]:0|t is the :0 supposed to be the icon size? |
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| 21:52.20 | Mirrormn | no |
| 21:52.33 | DWSR | olafski: You don't have a cloak, no. |
| 21:52.46 | Mirrormn | having :0 there just makes the icon adhere to defaults |
| 21:53.03 | Gagorian | the format is :x-size:y-size:x-offset:y-offset|t if you want to set it yourself |
| 21:53.20 | DWSR | Anyone here watch SG:U? |
| 21:53.21 | Mirrormn | there are *many* different ways you can specify the size of in-text textures |
| 21:53.21 | solocommand | Awesome, thanks. |
| 21:53.39 | solocommand | Is there a reference for it somewhere? I haven't looked too hard tbh was just wondering |
| 21:53.49 | Gagorian | DWSR: Yes and I'd rather use a cheesegrater on my perineum sometimes |
| 21:54.02 | DWSR | Gagorian: Why? |
| 21:54.08 | DWSR | It's /fantastic/ |
| 21:54.12 | DWSR | I like it almost more than SG1. |
| 21:54.15 | Mirrormn | http://www.wowwiki.com/UI_escape_sequences |
| 21:54.22 | Mirrormn | bottom of that page |
| 21:54.22 | solocommand | ty Mirrormn |
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| 21:54.26 | Gagorian | Because it has potential but just fails miserably |
| 21:54.34 | DWSR | Gagorian: Why do you think that? |
| 21:54.52 | Fisker | so Shirik |
| 21:54.58 | Fisker | are you like a taco within a taco? |
| 21:55.20 | Fisker | or are you a taco within a taco within a taco bell within a kfc within a matrix in a dream? |
| 21:55.20 | Gagorian | Cause most of the time nothing really happens, the plot doesn't advance in any way |
| 21:55.24 | DWSR | First 4 episodes have been incredibly tense. |
| 21:55.30 | Gagorian | Basically the episode is a complete filler, with 2-3 minute long emo-montages |
| 21:55.43 | DWSR | Gagorian: The ending emo-tages are a bit meh. |
| 21:55.56 | DWSR | But the latest season has basically been about Rush and him dinking around with the crew. |
| 21:55.59 | Dagmar | I think it's the emoness that's killing my interest in it |
| 21:56.08 | Gagorian | There's not even that many interesting characters |
| 21:56.12 | DWSR | Dagmar: I always just skip the last 2 minutes. |
| 21:56.15 | Gagorian | I like Rush and Greer |
| 21:56.22 | Gagorian | The rest is just more or less lame |
| 21:56.28 | Dagmar | "Yes, the fat kid is mooning over the hot girl-next-door who is into the jarhead. We get it. Let's move on now plox." |
| 21:56.31 | DWSR | Meh, I like Eli. |
| 21:56.51 | Dagmar | I like Eli, but I don't necessarily give a shit that the girl treats him like the mook he is |
| 21:57.10 | Gagorian | Chloe or whatever her name is... is like totally useless |
| 21:57.37 | DWSR | She's a plot device, to be sure. |
| 21:57.56 | DWSR | I like how Rush is mindfucking everyone on board atm. |
| 21:57.58 | Dagmar | Rest assured she'll be given some kind of mutant power soon enough |
| 21:58.02 | DWSR | "I can has master codez." |
| 21:58.31 | Dagmar | Maybe they'll Wesley her out |
| 21:58.53 | Dagmar | "Onoes my mutant superpower is too much for the plot! Gotta go live with the aliens nao bye" |
| 21:58.58 | DWSR | Dagmar: Crusher? |
| 21:59.02 | Dagmar | dwsr: Yep |
| 21:59.06 | DWSR | Haha |
| 21:59.22 | DWSR | I'm glad that they killed off Riley. |
| 21:59.26 | DWSR | And Telford. |
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| 21:59.34 | DWSR | Though they didn't explicitly kill Telford. |
| 21:59.41 | DWSR | Which means "he'll be back" |
| 21:59.54 | Dagmar | Hmm... I guess I have some downloading to do. I don't remember Telford getting bumped off |
| 22:00.03 | DWSR | New season just started. |
| 22:00.08 | Dagmar | Yeah, I know. |
| 22:00.11 | DWSR | Up to EP4, I think. |
| 22:00.12 | Kraps | has anyone seen my cat? |
| 22:00.30 | Fisker | Kraps |
| 22:00.32 | Dagmar | ...and thusly, Comcast has chosen this time to start shuffling frequency allocations on a weekly basis. |
| 22:00.35 | Gagorian | The problem is that basically, it's been one and a half season soon and the general plot hasn't evolved in any way |
| 22:00.36 | Kraps | nvm i dont have one |
| 22:00.39 | Fisker | i saw your cat within a cat in a dream within a dream |
| 22:00.44 | Dagmar | This doesn't work so well when you never bother to turn off the reciever |
| 22:00.46 | Gagorian | They are still stranded on a shitty ship and lack everything |
| 22:00.57 | Gagorian | There hasn't even been any interesting arch-enemies |
| 22:01.22 | Gagorian | It would be nice if they actually fixed some of their problems on the ship |
| 22:01.36 | Gagorian | But nope, no progress whatsoever |
| 22:02.47 | DWSR | Gagorian: That's just it though. |
| 22:02.50 | DWSR | They have fixed their problems. |
| 22:02.57 | DWSR | Rush has control of the ship. |
| 22:02.59 | DWSR | He's just not sharing. |
| 22:03.22 | Gagorian | He doesn't seem to be very good at it ;) |
| 22:03.27 | DWSR | They're out of resources again though, which is starting to get a little weary. |
| 22:03.37 | DWSR | Gagorian: That's kind of the point. He keeps accidentally killing people off. |
| 22:03.42 | DWSR | Also, the Lucian Alliance invasion was a fun diversion |
| 22:03.51 | Gagorian | Like I said, it has potential |
| 22:04.13 | DWSR | I was hoping that the seed ship that they encountered would give them supplies. |
| 22:04.14 | Gagorian | But fails at several points preventing it from actually being good |
| 22:04.16 | Dagmar | It got that hot chick on the show |
| 22:04.19 | Dagmar | ...and now she's dead. |
| 22:04.26 | DWSR | Dagmar: Which one? |
| 22:04.27 | Gagorian | DWSR: Indeed, but nothing actually happened in that episode |
| 22:04.35 | Dagmar | DWSR: Mira somethingorother |
| 22:04.41 | Gagorian | Except they left Talford for a future episode |
| 22:04.47 | DWSR | Gagorian: Wrong. Telford died, they encountered some aliens. |
| 22:05.27 | Gagorian | He didn't die - basically nothing happened.. nothing was gained by encountering said aliens |
| 22:06.05 | Gagorian | Nothing really lost either as a) he didn't die b) he wasn't really part of the crew yet |
| 22:06.19 | Gagorian | So all in all pretty useless episode |
| 22:06.22 | DWSR | Well, it's...what? 4 episodes in? |
| 22:06.27 | DWSR | There's a lot of setup. |
| 22:06.29 | DWSR | IT's like a DoT class. |
| 22:06.33 | Dagmar | hehehe |
| 22:06.40 | DWSR | Gotta apply all your dots before the ball starts rolling. |
| 22:06.41 | Gagorian | The problem is shows like that get cancelled |
| 22:06.49 | DWSR | Gagorian: Meh, the reviews are good. |
| 22:06.57 | DWSR | There's been enough action to keep the morons entertained. |
| 22:07.02 | Dagmar | WHy the reviews are good, I've no idea |
| 22:07.04 | DWSR | And there's the promise of an excellent story to come this season. |
| 22:07.12 | DWSR | Last season was good, I thought. :) |
| 22:07.13 | Dagmar | They're boring the crap out of me so far |
| 22:07.21 | Gagorian | declining ratings all the time |
| 22:07.34 | DWSR | Meh. |
| 22:07.39 | Gagorian | It's gonna get cancelled if something doesn't start happening |
| 22:07.48 | Dagmar | "Let's make a show about space exploration, but instead of leaving the ship and exploring things and generally costing a lot of money in sets, let's just keep everyone locked up in the near-dark" |
| 22:08.27 | Gagorian | IT started out with almost 2.5M viewers, now it's constantly below 1M |
| 22:08.37 | Gagorian | It means they're doing something wrong |
| 22:08.41 | Fisker | obviously Gagorian |
| 22:08.46 | Fisker | they moved the timeslot |
| 22:08.55 | Dagmar | Yeah but it's SciFi. |
| 22:09.02 | Dagmar | 90% of the viewers have a DVR. |
| 22:09.11 | Dagmar | They just don't give a shit. |
| 22:09.33 | Fisker | DVR doesn't get included in those numbers |
| 22:10.07 | Dagmar | Actually, Neilsen tries pretty hard to include those since they've got all that Orwellian data coming in from Tivocorp |
| 22:10.46 | DWSR | I agree it's not as good as SG1. |
| 22:10.50 | DWSR | But it beats the shit out of Atlantis. |
| 22:11.27 | Fisker | Why do you think the numbers you just quoted are called "live viewers"? |
| 22:12.03 | Dagmar | I quoted numbers? |
| 22:12.14 | Fisker | oh |
| 22:12.17 | Fisker | that was Gagorian |
| 22:12.21 | DWSR | Fisker fail. |
| 22:12.25 | Fisker | not really |
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| 22:12.51 | Fisker | Because Dagmar still used the numbers thinking they included DVR views, which they don't |
| 22:12.54 | Fisker | and can't |
| 22:13.16 | Dagmar | Hint: I didn't "use" any numbers. |
| 22:13.29 | Fisker | [00:09:02] <Dagmar> 90% of the viewers have a DVR. |
| 22:13.29 | Fisker | [00:09:10] <Dagmar> They just don't give a shit. |
| 22:13.43 | Fisker | [00:10:08] <Dagmar> Actually, Neilsen tries pretty hard to include those since they've got all that Orwellian data coming in from Tivocorp |
| 22:13.47 | Dagmar | Fisker: http://news.cnet.com/Short-Take-Nielsen-ratings-to-include-TiVo/2110-1040_3-244505.html |
| 22:13.51 | Dagmar | That's from bloody 2000. Get with the times. |
| 22:14.12 | Dagmar | The show is losing viewers because it's freaking *boring* this season |
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| 22:14.28 | Gagorian | It was losing viewers way before the timeslot change as well |
| 22:14.35 | Fisker | The 1 million Gagorian refers to is without DVR views, since obviously they first of all haven't viewed it on their DVR yet, and second of all because those numbers are not released yet |
| 22:14.40 | Gagorian | And it's pretty obvious why |
| 22:15.03 | Fisker | Season 1 wasn't that great |
| 22:15.07 | Dagmar | A lack of blue jelly room scenes. |
| 22:15.12 | Fisker | Season 2 (except for the last one or so) was pretty good |
| 22:15.43 | Dagmar | Enterprise was slow, but at least they knew how to throw in barely-justified tittilation better than SG:U is doing |
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| 22:17.29 | Fisker | I wish they got another season or so :o |
| 22:17.43 | Fisker | instead of Lens Flare Trek |
| 22:18.18 | Gagorian | I'm going to keep watching it, but still it's disappointing as it surely has potential |
| 22:18.35 | Gagorian | Unfortunately, there won't be time for anything interesting to happen if it gets cancelled :P |
| 22:19.26 | Kraps | http://www.cracked.com/article_18832_5-multiplayer-video-games-that-will-destroy-your-marriage.html http://www.cracked.com/article_18817_5-reasons-future-will-be-ruled-by-b.s..html |
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| 22:20.38 | Gagorian | stargate atlantis had better ratings than sg: u has now and it still got cancelled |
| 22:25.39 | Kraps | reason 3 of the latter article sounds exactly like DLC! |
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| 22:32.30 | solocommand | Can I set text vertical offset or only images? setting the size of my image moves my text around out of line :/ |
| 22:33.07 | DWSR | nevcairiel: ping. |
| 22:34.05 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL7yD-0pqZg&feature=player_embedded |
| 22:34.16 | Synycyl | Good afternoon fellow dev's... I am here for validation lol. I have tried both SKILL_LINES_CHANGED and TRADE_SKILL_UPDATE in my event handling and it doesn't seem to track rank updates! I know SKILL_LINES_CHANGED doesn't but TRADE_SKILL_UPDATE i was unsure on. I don't think my event handling is faulty, but if needed i can do a pastey for the code |
| 22:34.20 | DWSR | ~seen nevcairiel |
| 22:34.28 | purl | nevcairiel is currently on #wowuidev (9d 6h 57m 29s) #wowace (9d 6h 57m 29s) #curseforge (9d 6h 57m 29s). Has said a total of 2206 messages. Is idling for 2h 49m 57s, last said: 'Although i do have learned that german boards are usually even full of more morons then english ones'. |
| 22:34.49 | zenzelezz | Synycyl: ranks? |
| 22:35.10 | Synycyl | Yes the "level" of your professions are still called ranks |
| 22:35.25 | Synycyl | I.E. 1 out of 75 etc |
| 22:35.26 | zenzelezz | ah, that kind |
| 22:36.14 | zenzelezz | hm, try using /dtchatevent or maybe event trace when you buy an upgrade to see what fires |
| 22:38.15 | Synycyl | its the skillup i'm looking for.. i think i will need to scan chat for it now.... also am I handling the event correctly in my XML (only the one event really so xml is more than enough) http://www.pastey.net/141936 |
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| 22:41.44 | zenzelezz | sorry, I'm confused... which skill up are you looking to detect? Every skill point update (like 5-6, 68-69, etc.) or when you purchase a new rank (like from Master to Grand Master)? |
| 22:42.12 | Synycyl | shoot i just saw i have two onEvents |
| 22:42.22 | Synycyl | I'm tracking everything zen |
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| 22:42.37 | zenzelezz | and I'm asking which one was giving you trouble :-p |
| 22:42.39 | Synycyl | just trying to bring over my adding into the 4.x world... they broke the original with deprecation |
| 22:44.01 | Synycyl | removed the upper event handler and fixed the second one to be correct gonna run and find a node to skillup on and see what happens lol |
| 22:45.19 | DWSR | How can I delay a command to be done, say....2 seconds after load? |
| 22:46.39 | Synycyl | ok nope... the event i am tracking still doesn't do the update... time to look at chat tracking |
| 22:48.08 | DWSR | How can I delay a command to be done, say....2 seconds after load? |
| 22:50.21 | DWSR | Or, alternatively, how can I hook an event handler of another window? |
| 22:50.28 | DWSR | s/window/frame/ |
| 22:51.07 | jnwhiteh | him: COOL ADDON, BUT ITS NOT WORKING REALLY WELL ON DRUIDS..TRY IT ON RAID SO YOU CAN SEE |
| 22:51.14 | jnwhiteh | me: Try turning off your caps lock before posting here. I've raided four nights a week on my Druid, which is my main, so I find your statement incredibly misleading and confusing. Please provide real information. |
| 22:51.19 | jnwhiteh | him: i do apologies about that. My bad. ty, really great addon btw! /peace |
| 22:51.26 | jnwhiteh | subject for both of his comments: 'yo' |
| 22:51.38 | zenzelezz | Synycyl: I'd still turning on /dtchatevents and see which event the "You skill in ..." message triggers from |
| 22:52.05 | DWSR | jnwhiteh: Newbie's guide to hooking event handlers from other frames? |
| 22:52.10 | DWSR | I want to permanently hide the MinimapCluster. |
| 22:52.27 | DWSR | i.e. OnShow() = self:Hide() |
| 22:52.33 | jnwhiteh | you can override the Show and Hide handlers |
| 22:52.36 | jnwhiteh | and hide it |
| 22:52.43 | DWSR | How? |
| 22:52.45 | jnwhiteh | animations could get around it, possibly |
| 22:53.00 | jnwhiteh | function MinimapCluster:Show() end; function MinimapCluster:Hide() end |
| 22:53.21 | Legorol | Guys, very important question about the timing of Blizzcon schedule: what time zone is the schedule in? |
| 22:53.32 | DWSR | Oh, that's all? Minimap's not secure? |
| 22:53.42 | Legorol | and related question: is the US still on summer time atm or have they changed? |
| 22:53.44 | jnwhiteh | DWSR: oh, it'll fuck things tanit-wise |
| 22:53.46 | jnwhiteh | but you have no choice |
| 22:54.01 | DWSR | jnwhiteh: Why? Can't I just post-hook securely? |
| 22:54.04 | jnwhiteh | you could try, but you'll be fighting a losing battle tryign to do it in post hooks |
| 22:54.16 | jnwhiteh | because the OnShow/OnHide handlers are going to fire |
| 22:54.18 | zenzelezz | Legorol: http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/27387869057/question-about-blizzcon-schedule/ |
| 22:54.21 | jnwhiteh | and you can't rely on someone not relying on that =) |
| 22:54.46 | DWSR | le sigh |
| 22:54.58 | DWSR | It's funny because Chinchilla is broken in that it won't hide the location bar. |
| 22:55.01 | DWSR | So I want to hide it. |
| 22:55.10 | Legorol | jnwhiteh: so it's in PDT? |
| 22:55.16 | jnwhiteh | PST |
| 22:55.17 | DWSR | I think it's broken because I reparented the Minimap to one of my frames. |
| 22:55.22 | DWSR | Legorol: Not DST anymore. |
| 22:55.24 | jnwhiteh | it says so right below the schedule on blizzcon.com |
| 22:55.31 | DWSR | jnwhiteh: You going to be around for a while? I'm going to grab dinner. |
| 22:55.33 | Legorol | jnwhiteh: that is exactly what i'm worried about |
| 22:55.39 | Legorol | http://us.blizzard.com/blizzcon/events/schedule.xml says that times are in PST |
| 22:55.40 | jnwhiteh | DWSR: nope, I'll be going to bed. |
| 22:55.45 | DWSR | bah. |
| 22:55.56 | jnwhiteh | it is 3:55pm in California right now. |
| 22:56.03 | jnwhiteh | adjust accordingly, and that will be the case for the duration of the weekend. |
| 22:56.04 | Legorol | jnwhiteh: that'd make it PDT |
| 22:56.08 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 22:56.10 | Legorol | ok, now i'm really confused |
| 22:56.16 | jnwhiteh | well actual-time is all that matters |
| 22:56.26 | jnwhiteh | if the people who are there are going to a session at 11.. it will happen at 11. |
| 22:56.26 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 22:56.27 | Legorol | so US won't be going back to PST before the weekend? |
| 22:56.38 | DWSR | jnwhiteh: Could I just use :SetScript()? |
| 22:56.38 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 22:56.42 | Legorol | uh, but then.. |
| 22:56.46 | Legorol | why does http://us.blizzard.com/blizzcon/events/schedule.xml says PST |
| 22:56.50 | jnwhiteh | It will be UTC-7 for the entirety of the schedule. |
| 22:56.51 | Legorol | i really, really hate it when people screw up time zones |
| 22:56.57 | jnwhiteh | because they dont know the difference between PST and PDT |
| 22:56.59 | jnwhiteh | so ignore the website |
| 22:57.01 | Legorol | >.< |
| 22:57.07 | DWSR | jnwhiteh: Was that no to me or Legorol? |
| 22:57.12 | Cide | I really really hate timezones that aren't specified as UTC+X or UTC-X |
| 22:57.18 | Legorol | it's the friggin official site with official friggin schedule |
| 22:57.19 | jnwhiteh | the little minions on the ground will attend the keynote at 11:00 tomorrow, which will be 6pm our time |
| 22:57.22 | Legorol | they really really should pay attention to such things |
| 22:57.24 | Cide | timezones should be identified with an offset, not with a name |
| 22:57.32 | Legorol | especially since you can buy virtual tickets from all over the world |
| 22:57.39 | jnwhiteh | DWSR: There is no 'easy' way to do it |
| 22:57.44 | jnwhiteh | and you wont' knwo what's wrong until you try |
| 22:57.48 | Legorol | Cide: i don't mind if they use names... as long as they use it correctly! |
| 22:57.55 | Cide | names mean memorization |
| 22:58.07 | Legorol | and this mistake is actually the harmful way around |
| 22:58.18 | Cide | or going to unofficial links to find the translation between two timezones |
| 22:58.20 | Legorol | if i listen to the website and take it to be in PST, i'd be late to the events by 1 hour |
| 22:58.28 | Cide | with offsets from UTC it's just the delta between your own number and the other |
| 22:58.38 | Legorol | i agree with you Cide |
| 22:58.50 | jnwhiteh | I understand why you have an issue, in principle |
| 22:58.56 | jnwhiteh | however the real issue is easily mitigated. |
| 22:59.01 | Cide | not really |
| 22:59.04 | Cide | not with all the daylight savings times |
| 22:59.08 | Cide | occurring at different times |
| 22:59.20 | Dagmar | UTC is teh satan. Microsoft sez so |
| 22:59.21 | Cide | and some countries not having DST |
| 22:59.29 | jnwhiteh | that doesn't matter |
| 22:59.35 | jnwhiteh | none of this matters =) |
| 22:59.37 | Cide | and having to remember MST and PST and UTC and GMT |
| 22:59.40 | jnwhiteh | unless it changes tomorrow, or the next day. |
| 22:59.46 | Cide | for this one, yes |
| 22:59.47 | jnwhiteh | You can always look up the time in the destination location |
| 22:59.55 | jnwhiteh | I've already said I agree in principle |
| 23:00.08 | Cide | it's a problem in application also |
| 23:00.11 | Yssaril | Cide: some states in the US don't have DST (i think) |
| 23:00.20 | Cide | it's not that difficult in *this* application however |
| 23:00.30 | jnwhiteh | well, that's what we're discussing =) |
| 23:00.30 | Cide | since we have a shitload of people at the location :) |
| 23:00.38 | Legorol | jnwhiteh: you are missing the point. I shouldn't have to come in here and ask, or go to a forum and ask, to know the time, when it's *printed* on the schedule |
| 23:00.50 | Legorol | I should be able to take the official information at face value |
| 23:00.54 | jnwhiteh | of course |
| 23:00.57 | jnwhiteh | and I agree with that |
| 23:01.02 | jnwhiteh | but "time in california" gets you the answer you need |
| 23:01.08 | jnwhiteh | that is all I am saying. |
| 23:01.22 | Cide | yep |
| 23:01.24 | jnwhiteh | now onto real issues, I can't install the RayV player on my machine =( |
| 23:01.29 | Dagmar | Localtime. Like in yer BIOS. |
| 23:01.42 | Cide | speaking of that |
| 23:01.50 | Cide | I have somehow managed to offset my linux time and windows time by 2 hours |
| 23:01.58 | Legorol | jnwhiteh: i installed it a while back, and it worked perfectly then. now it's not working anymore. |
| 23:02.01 | Cide | if I change the linux time to proper time, windows time becomes off by 2h |
| 23:02.03 | Cide | and vice versa |
| 23:02.06 | Legorol | i noticed there is an update, so i updated.. and now it's crashing |
| 23:02.08 | jnwhiteh | the actual install fails |
| 23:02.12 | Dagmar | Cide: Linux thinks your clock is in UTC I'll wager |
| 23:02.13 | jnwhiteh | in my case |
| 23:02.20 | Cide | Dagmar: the timezone is correct in both cases |
| 23:02.26 | Cide | (europe/stockholm) |
| 23:02.30 | Cide | (not a technical timezone) |
| 23:02.52 | Dagmar | Wait, you're acually in GMT and it's mucking up anyway? |
| 23:03.04 | Cide | fuck if I know |
| 23:03.11 | Cide | GMT+1 or GMT+2 depending on the time of year |
| 23:03.20 | Cide | I hate DST |
| 23:03.29 | Dagmar | Oh okay. So like, here's the deal. You *should* be storing UTC/GMT in the BIOS. |
| 23:03.33 | Dagmar | Linux prefers that. |
| 23:03.53 | Cide | well I don't know what bios thinks |
| 23:03.54 | Dagmar | Microsoft, on the other hand, knows that refusing to do this really fucks with anyone who dares to dual-boot. |
| 23:03.57 | Cide | I just know what my two installs think |
| 23:04.08 | Dagmar | The BIOS thinks it's just got a long int to increment once a second. |
| 23:04.09 | Cide | oh so it's a common issue? |
| 23:04.13 | Legorol | Cide: stockholm currently is on GMT+2. There's your problem. |
| 23:04.18 | Dagmar | It's a _very_ common issue. |
| 23:04.21 | Cide | how's that my problem? |
| 23:04.29 | Legorol | I mean, that's where the 2h discrepancy comes from |
| 23:04.30 | Dagmar | Tell Linux you are storing time in the BIOS in localtime |
| 23:04.39 | Legorol | Windows stores local time. It's a Microsoft fail. |
| 23:04.44 | Cide | that's pretty fail |
| 23:04.47 | Legorol | yes |
| 23:04.48 | Cide | now to figure out how to do that |
| 23:04.50 | Dagmar | It's taking hte information from the BIOS (which is localtime) thinking it's in UTC, and adding the two hours |
| 23:05.03 | Legorol | but, then again, when a user boots and goes into bios setup.. they expect local time |
| 23:05.15 | Dagmar | Generally /etc/localtime has something in it |
| 23:05.16 | Cide | who checks time in bios anyway |
| 23:05.29 | jnwhiteh | the operating system =) |
| 23:05.34 | Dagmar | No wait ignore that last statement |
| 23:05.35 | Cide | but not the user :P |
| 23:05.48 | Dagmar | Freaking distros put that config option it in different places |
| 23:06.32 | Dagmar | The /etc/hardwareclock file may well have something obvious in it (like UTC instead of your timezone) |
| 23:07.16 | Dagmar | Basically, somewhere in htere it's got an extra bit of info that's passed to hwclock at boot time |
| 23:07.22 | Cide | that's not an existing file |
| 23:07.51 | A-KO | hmm |
| 23:07.57 | A-KO | how to convince my company's developers to write a project correctly |
| 23:07.59 | Dagmar | Cide: Poke around in the config panels. I don't knnw what distro you're running, but it's generally not *too* hard to find where to flip that |
| 23:07.59 | A-KO | kinda tough |
| 23:08.02 | A-KO | very tough |
| 23:08.20 | Dagmar | At least it's usually a checkbox on the pane where the admin sets system time |
| 23:08.56 | Dagmar | I would definitely like to see someone at Microsoft flogged for that crap tho. It was supposed to stop being a problem with Windows 7, the damn liars. |
| 23:09.13 | Cide | found it |
| 23:09.17 | Cide | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:09.19 | Dagmar | Awesome |
| 23:09.29 | Cide | thanks |
| 23:09.51 | A-KO | what crap Dagmar? |
| 23:10.07 | Dagmar | A-KO: Storing the damn time in the BIOS in localtime spec |
| 23:10.09 | Cide | windows thinks bios time is local time |
| 23:10.30 | A-KO | does it? As far as I can tell when I fire up Windows install for the first time it's in PST(PDT) |
| 23:10.33 | A-KO | or.... |
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| 23:10.48 | A-KO | I mean, bios time *should be* local time.....or maybe I'm just not getting something? |
| 23:10.50 | Cide | it probably grabs it from the net |
| 23:10.53 | A-KO | I mean, if I go into my bios...it's in local time |
| 23:10.57 | A-KO | or should be :P |
| 23:11.05 | Cide | shrug |
| 23:11.09 | Cide | there are arguments to be made for both |
| 23:11.11 | Dagmar | A-ko: What yer not getting is that if the machine is ever turned off during a time zone change, your stuff can get wrong |
| 23:11.15 | Cide | but linux apparently has it as utc |
| 23:11.25 | A-KO | Sure Dagmar. I'm not saying I disagree with using UTC in a BIOS, not at all |
| 23:11.32 | A-KO | I'm just saying that every system I've seen it's always been localtime |
| 23:11.38 | Dagmar | A-Ko: Keep time in UTC, which is nicely contiguous, and the computer can *always* convert that to local time spec |
| 23:11.47 | Dagmar | A-Ko: Every Windows system you've used. |
| 23:11.52 | A-KO | not just WIndows systems |
| 23:12.03 | A-KO | If you go into my BIOS (AMIBIOS), it's local time..... |
| 23:12.07 | A-KO | or rather |
| 23:12.12 | A-KO | I set it to local time, I guess you could set to UTC |
| 23:12.15 | A-KO | but I don't think anyone ever has... |
| 23:12.17 | Shirik | that's because that's what it was set to |
| 23:12.24 | Shirik | does your BIOS actually include a time zone? |
| 23:12.32 | Hallithron | This seems somewhat OT to the conversation at hand, but... I have a question about hooking GetTradeSkillInfo. Does anyone here know if that function is protected nowadays? |
| 23:12.56 | A-KO | no Shirik. But what I'm saying is, I don't think there's ever been a convention amongst people to set that to UTC--ever. |
| 23:13.09 | A-KO | I wouldn't mind it going that way |
| 23:13.13 | Dagmar | There has among people who really care tho |
| 23:13.13 | Shirik | no but the Linux guys think they own everything |
| 23:13.21 | Dagmar | We've been using UTC for that for _years and years_ |
| 23:13.24 | Shirik | so if they do it, they assume it's right |
| 23:13.41 | Dagmar | It's right because it's _right_. |
| 23:13.48 | A-KO | Shirik: Yeah, well, they're out of touch with the rest of reality I suppose. But every normal person sets that shit to local time, and moves on. |
| 23:14.03 | A-KO | I've never, in my entire IT career, seen that set in UTC--ever. |
| 23:14.13 | Dagmar | There are no failure cases where UTC can suddenly become wrong due to filesystem failure or the machine not being on at the magical hour, etc etc |
| 23:14.42 | Dagmar | It's just a bloody MS-DOS throwback that they've kept around because it screws with people |
| 23:14.55 | Dagmar | A-KO: You never dealt with many NT 4 servers then |
| 23:15.05 | A-KO | Dagmar: I agree, but again, it's never been a convention--ever. If it's agreed upon, it's a rather small subset of the community. THe rest of us don't give a shit until UEFI shows up |
| 23:15.21 | Dagmar | They got the clue with 2000 and NT4, and might as well have just recanted by _breaking_ that functionality when they ported it as XP |
| 23:15.32 | A-KO | I don't mind it being in UTC, just saying I've never seen it set that way. |
| 23:15.36 | A-KO | and there's never been a standard |
| 23:15.41 | A-KO | so it's not like either way is "right or wrong" |
| 23:15.45 | A-KO | because there's no standard |
| 23:15.52 | Dagmar | yes, there is. |
| 23:15.55 | A-KO | URL? |
| 23:16.04 | Synycyl | zenzelezz: i have /dtchatevent going but I can't seem to click the hasmarks to get any info? is DT working in 4.0 |
| 23:16.06 | Shirik | http://kernel.org |
| 23:16.07 | Dagmar | Localtime storage is prone to failure and requires maintenance. |
| 23:16.14 | Shirik | Dagmar: Qualify your statements |
| 23:16.17 | A-KO | Shirik: lol, I'm not talking about OS-specific stuff...... |
| 23:16.19 | A-KO | I'm talking like |
| 23:16.21 | Dagmar | UTC storage is _not_ prone to failure and requires no tweaking twice a year. |
| 23:16.23 | A-KO | some 3rd party standard organization |
| 23:16.23 | Shirik | such a broad statement will never be accepted as true |
| 23:16.28 | Dagmar | Qualified enough? |
| 23:16.30 | Shirik | no |
| 23:16.55 | zenzelezz | Synycyl: thought so... not sure |
| 23:17.06 | A-KO | Dagmar: It's not a matter of what you think should be the case, it's a matter of what is. It's reasonable to assume to want to change it, which I can get behind--but to say that one OS is wrong or "better" or whatever have you because of a non-standard that some subset of people decided on is a bit much. |
| 23:17.20 | Dagmar | What part of "you have to change the BIOS clock when a DST change happens" is confusing you |
| 23:17.24 | Synycyl | zenzelezz: the hash mark to click is there but clicking does nothing... hrm |
| 23:17.34 | Shirik | what part of "what's so hard about that" is confusing you? |
| 23:17.36 | A-KO | It's not confusing at all, I know what UTC is, I know the benefits of it. |
| 23:17.44 | Dagmar | Shirik: The fact that it's not necessary in the least. |
| 23:17.47 | A-KO | You don't have to school me in the benefits of UTC |
| 23:17.50 | Shirik | neither is a lot of things |
| 23:17.52 | Shirik | but we do it anyway |
| 23:17.59 | A-KO | But to sit here and say "Microsoft has no clue" because of some way you "think" it should be |
| 23:18.00 | Cide | like DST |
| 23:18.00 | A-KO | is wrong |
| 23:18.02 | Cide | fuck DST |
| 23:18.05 | Dagmar | Enjoy hand cranking your car in the morning then |
| 23:18.16 | Cide | I prefer being awake when it's dark |
| 23:18.21 | Cide | can we do DLT |
| 23:18.22 | Dagmar | A-Ko: I didn't say they have no clue. I said they're doing it out of spite. |
| 23:18.28 | Shirik | lol |
| 23:18.30 | A-KO | No they're not. |
| 23:18.31 | Shirik | I like DLT |
| 23:18.37 | Cide | me too |
| 23:18.39 | A-KO | They're doing it out of the standard of the industry |
| 23:18.40 | Cide | let's create our own nation |
| 23:18.41 | A-KO | period |
| 23:18.42 | Dagmar | Then you go ask them why Windows 7 still does it |
| 23:18.54 | A-KO | The standard of the industry assumes that you'll set the time to localtime--period. |
| 23:19.00 | A-KO | You find me some RFC that says otherwise |
| 23:19.03 | A-KO | or some training materials |
| 23:19.04 | A-KO | that say otherwise |
| 23:19.14 | A-KO | because I've *never* been told to do that, by anyone, ever, and have never met anyone that does it. |
| 23:19.25 | A-KO | In fact, prior to this conversation right here, I've never heard of it being a problem |
| 23:19.29 | Dagmar | The last technical rep I dealt with over there said the same thing I've been told for ages... that it's in localtime due to _dos compatibility requirements_. Those are no longer required for Windows 7. |
| 23:19.51 | Dagmar | ...and I've given them up the road about it about every three years or so since '96. |
| 23:19.56 | A-KO | sure Dagmar, but you have to consider that they probably don't give a shit since UEFI has been promised for years now. |
| 23:20.04 | Dagmar | yet we don't have that |
| 23:20.07 | A-KO | it's almost out |
| 23:20.15 | A-KO | 2011? |
| 23:20.20 | A-KO | macs already have it |
| 23:20.27 | Dagmar | Unless it requires UTC, you can just about bet Microsoft will use localtime |
| 23:20.32 | Dagmar | Localtime fucks over dual-booters |
| 23:20.52 | A-KO | http://www.techspot.com/news/40493-uefi-to-start-dominating-bios-in-2011-slash-pc-boot-time.html |
| 23:20.54 | Cide | only if the two boots think differently : |
| 23:20.55 | Cide | :) |
| 23:21.00 | Dagmar | If you flip to the other OS during the window hour, you're almost certainly going to wind up with the clock being changed twice or not at all. |
| 23:21.20 | A-KO | Dagmar: I've never had a problem with that time in my linux boots.....I dunno.....never seen an issue, and I've dual booted my netbook for a few years now. |
| 23:21.26 | Dagmar | Cide: ....and that happens even IF both operating systems are using localtime. |
| 23:21.54 | A-KO | If you're going out of your way to set it that way |
| 23:21.57 | A-KO | then that's your problem :P |
| 23:21.58 | A-KO | not the OS |
| 23:22.02 | Dagmar | What?? |
| 23:22.45 | A-KO | I boot up my netbook, right now, it will report the proper time in either Windows or Linux (FWIW, Backtrack 4 is on the dual boot). I have GRUB installed as a boot loader. I've dual booted my desktop over the years as well though not very recently. And I've never seen any disparity in the time of my systems. |
| 23:22.46 | Dagmar | I would actually "go out of my way" to set both bloody operating systems to UTC, *if it were even an option for Windows 7* |
| 23:23.11 | Dagmar | A-Ko: During the next time zone change, reboot to the other operating system. |
| 23:23.30 | Dagmar | It will have no way of knowing whether or not the clock has already been adjusted for daylight savings. |
| 23:23.43 | DWSR | Anyone know of a way to make a script wait 0.5 seconds after load to run? |
| 23:23.44 | A-KO | sure it will |
| 23:23.47 | Cide | assuming you're offline |
| 23:23.51 | DWSR | Dagmar: Yes it will. |
| 23:23.53 | mitchnull | UTC forever. anyone that says otherwise is just too young |
| 23:23.58 | Dagmar | A-KO: Looking at the nearest NTP server is not the same thing |
| 23:23.59 | A-KO | Dagmar: it knows when the DST conversions are |
| 23:24.01 | A-KO | and can look it up |
| 23:24.10 | Dagmar | DWSR: How? Magic fairies? |
| 23:24.29 | DWSR | What A-KO said. |
| 23:24.39 | Cide | if you've set the OS in a specific timezone |
| 23:24.43 | Dagmar | It doesn't know whether or not the clock was _already changed_ |
| 23:24.46 | Cide | it knows the local time given a date |
| 23:24.52 | Cide | and the date doesn't change |
| 23:25.02 | Dagmar | All it knows is that _it_ didn't change the time |
| 23:25.16 | A-KO | Dagmar: I've never had the problem but since the DST change is coming up we'll see :P |
| 23:25.20 | Dagmar | ...which means that it's going to very likely change the clock. |
| 23:25.33 | Dagmar | A-Ko: I've actually seen it happen before in a production environment |
| 23:25.45 | mitchnull | unless of course you sync to ntp (which you should nowadays) |
| 23:25.46 | Cide | a dual-booting production environment? |
| 23:25.51 | A-KO | then again, that said, if you're dual booting certain things where this would seriously be an issue--you've got other problems :P |
| 23:25.55 | mitchnull | but still, bios clock should be UTC :) |
| 23:26.04 | Dagmar | Cide: No, NT servers going berzerk |
| 23:26.11 | A-KO | why would your NT servers go beserk? |
| 23:26.25 | Cide | they didn't approve of the bios running utc |
| 23:26.29 | A-KO | yeah |
| 23:26.31 | A-KO | exactly |
| 23:26.33 | Dagmar | A-Ko: Because they were _off_ and in a maintenance window during the time change. |
| 23:26.48 | A-KO | Dagmar: and you manually set the time while they were off? |
| 23:26.54 | A-KO | sounds like a personal problem |
| 23:27.00 | Dagmar | No. The time *didn't* get changed. |
| 23:27.29 | Dagmar | This didn't fly well with the database server. |
| 23:27.35 | Cide | http://www.sweclockers.com/image/red/2010/06/08/Uefi.jpg?t=original&k=ec5cdec4 |
| 23:27.50 | Cide | I like "Press ENTER key or click mouse's *leftbutoon* to determine option" |
| 23:28.01 | A-KO | I dunno Dagmar. I've worked in a datacenter for 2 years and now so linux and windows system engineering at my company. and I've never seen a problem with DST switching over, including our DB servers..... |
| 23:28.12 | Dagmar | A-ko: You're not dual-booting them much |
| 23:28.18 | A-KO | why would you dual boot your servers? |
| 23:28.25 | A-KO | seems really pointless to me |
| 23:28.33 | Cide | uh |
| 23:28.34 | Cide | so you can play games?? |
| 23:28.38 | A-KO | lol Cide |
| 23:28.39 | Cide | ^_^ |
| 23:28.50 | A-KO | sighs |
| 23:28.54 | Dagmar | Either way, the dual booting doesn't matter. If the damn things used UTC instead of localtime, this would not be a problem. |
| 23:29.01 | Dagmar | Unix boxes have used UTC for ages now. |
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| 23:29.13 | A-KO | Dagmar: You still haven't shown me anywhere that says that BIOS time should be set to UTC. |
| 23:29.16 | A-KO | but feel free |
| 23:29.22 | DWSR | What exactly is MinimapCluster? |
| 23:29.26 | A-KO | an independent standards organization |
| 23:29.40 | Dagmar | A-KO: Why should I? You'd just come up with another hand-waving excuse |
| 23:29.49 | A-KO | Dagmar: No, I'd say that "okay, never knew that...." |
| 23:29.57 | A-KO | but again |
| 23:29.58 | mitchnull | a-ko: it has all in favor and none in cons |
| 23:30.00 | A-KO | it's never been a standard |
| 23:30.20 | mitchnull | UTC _is_ a standard |
| 23:30.26 | Cide | ... |
| 23:30.27 | Cide | you're retarded? |
| 23:30.30 | A-KO | mitchnull: I know what the PROS and CONS of doing it are. I have to school the devs at my work on the usage of UTC versus local time, considering we're building applications used in about 8 different time zones across 4 countries. I know all about how it SHOULD be. |
| 23:30.38 | A-KO | I know ALL about that |
| 23:30.39 | A-KO | I'm talking |
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| 23:30.48 | Dagmar | A-Ko: Well, for one thing, almost all OSes turn that back into UTC internally anyway |
| 23:30.49 | A-KO | in relation to BIOS, there has never been a standard to set BIOS time to UTC--ever. Anywhere. |
| 23:30.55 | Dagmar | That _includes_ Windows 7 and NT |
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| 23:31.05 | ThuG4LifE | Can anyone help me fix an addon. since the patch it stopped working |
| 23:31.11 | DWSR | ThuG4LifE: Which addon? |
| 23:31.11 | Cide | nice name |
| 23:31.14 | Cide | ThuG4LifE |
| 23:31.19 | Cide | I approve |
| 23:31.26 | mitchnull | a-ko: ok, there's no standard for that, that's given. yet it's still the sane option |
| 23:31.26 | ThuG4LifE | GCGambler |
| 23:31.29 | Cide | linin'up |
| 23:31.35 | Cide | my lines |
| 23:31.43 | ThuG4LifE | our guild wrote it long ago |
| 23:31.49 | Cide | and brbs |
| 23:31.51 | DWSR | what errors are you getting? |
| 23:31.54 | ThuG4LifE | and the author is lazy! |
| 23:32.12 | A-KO | in fact mitchnull, I had to write up a formal e-mail to my boss and the dev team boss on proper usage of http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/1k1skd40.aspx ( where their application fails) :P |
| 23:32.13 | ThuG4LifE | well with the event changes im getting nil for everything |
| 23:32.16 | A-KO | I know all abouti t. again |
| 23:32.16 | Cide | mitchnull: the problem is that if it's not a standard you will always see mixed cases |
| 23:32.24 | A-KO | the STANDARD is to use local time |
| 23:32.27 | A-KO | if you disagree with that |
| 23:32.28 | A-KO | that's fine |
| 23:32.34 | A-KO | but don't expect everyone else to bend to your desires |
| 23:32.37 | Dagmar | Generally the wiser admins go with UTC and UTC alone, and have always done so |
| 23:32.39 | A-KO | because "it's the right thing" |
| 23:32.44 | A-KO | no Dagmar, they don't. |
| 23:32.53 | Dagmar | Yes, they do. |
| 23:33.07 | A-KO | Wiser admins don't dual boot their fucking servers, and don't set BIOS time to UTC. |
| 23:33.09 | Dagmar | Even when I was 14 and breaking into things I noticed it |
| 23:33.18 | Dagmar | A-ko: WTF does dual-booting have to do with it |
| 23:33.37 | *** join/#wowuidev Dashkal (~dashkal@WoWUIDev/Nexus/dashkal) |
| 23:33.42 | A-KO | You're the one saying dual booting is where the disparities happen.... |
| 23:33.50 | Dagmar | "We", the linux geeks, got this shit from BSD. |
| 23:33.58 | Dagmar | Who in turn got it from freaking Bell Labs. |
| 23:34.00 | mitchnull | cide: the problem is that there's is no option in windows to have it in UTC (dunno about win7) |
| 23:34.11 | Dagmar | So, the real problem is that the windows noobs came along and made it all confusing |
| 23:34.41 | Dagmar | UTC is the _intelligent_, _low-maintenance_ thing to use for time. |
| 23:34.53 | Cide | yes |
| 23:34.58 | Cide | but now it's not the standard for bios time |
| 23:35.05 | Dagmar | Only on Windows machines. |
| 23:35.10 | Cide | it should be but while it's not we'll have to live with that |
| 23:35.18 | mitchnull | we just agreed that there's no standard for bios time... |
| 23:35.18 | Cide | which is what, 95% of them? |
| 23:35.24 | Dagmar | This is why we should go flog someone over at MIcrosoft. |
| 23:35.41 | mitchnull | dagmar: win7 still doesn't support it? |
| 23:35.52 | Dagmar | If they hadn't been so asinine about never fixing the problem they created, we wouldn't ever have to have these kinds of freakin' arguments. |
| 23:36.01 | Dagmar | mitchnull: No, and I'd really like to skin someone alive for that. |
| 23:36.30 | mitchnull | dagmar: well, it must be hard to implement :P |
| 23:37.09 | Dagmar | Considering that since NT it's actually been converting the hardware clock time into UTC, and then back to localtime to refresh the RTC on shutdown? |
| 23:37.21 | Dagmar | I'd say it's a safe bet it's acutally _less_ code to stop using localtime in the BIOS |
| 23:38.53 | mitchnull | that reminds me, gotta find a focus-follows-mouse tweak for win7 |
| 23:39.04 | Cide | wow |
| 23:39.06 | Cide | why? |
| 23:39.09 | Cide | I hate that so much |
| 23:39.15 | Dagmar | Some people don't like to click to focus |
| 23:39.40 | Cide | like half the time I don't have my mouse over the active window |
| 23:39.41 | Hallithron | @mitchnull: There are hwclock as UTC registry options in Windows XP, Vista, and 7. It's not an "option" that a normal person can click on, but the facility exists. All of my machines use it; even the ones that don't dual-boot. ;) |
| 23:40.03 | A-KO | You know the funny thing about linux/OSS monkeys? They're so stuck in their ways about everything, period. Always. Everyone else is wrong, they're right--that's the end of it. Especially in matters dealing with Microsoft. Yet I've never met a primarily MS user be that evangelical about shit. In fact, most of my job is WIndows-related, but I'm about ot put up a HUGE proposal together to use |
| 23:40.04 | A-KO | webkit as the base for a project we're working on. |
| 23:40.14 | A-KO | /rant |
| 23:40.49 | Cide | agreed |
| 23:40.54 | cbreak | windows users use a system they hate, linux users use a system they like... I wonder who has more of a clue :) |
| 23:41.12 | Dagmar | cbreak++ |
| 23:41.14 | Cide | windows users use a system they like |
| 23:41.31 | A-KO | cbreak: I use both, and I really like some of the shit MS has done. In fact, on Monday--we were aiming Windows for our entire project, had the entire structurep lanned out, I even had a demonstration put together with BITS to display distribution with it. Then CTO said "assume no MS for this." |
| 23:41.31 | Cide | because windows is good for everything non-coding |
| 23:41.34 | A-KO | Now I'm redoing the idea |
| 23:41.37 | A-KO | and proposing webkit |
| 23:41.40 | A-KO | and a complete restructuring |
| 23:41.52 | A-KO | Within the matter of a week, my entire plan changed. And it's not really a big deal |
| 23:41.54 | A-KO | as long as it can work |
| 23:42.13 | A-KO | I can work either/or |
| 23:42.15 | A-KO | it's not a problem |
| 23:42.22 | cbreak | I use Qt for most stuff at work |
| 23:42.25 | A-KO | To me, as long as you know WHAT IT IS you're trying to accomplish |
| 23:42.33 | mitchnull | hallithron: ah, thanks. will google. (unless you have the key/value and or link handy ;) |
| 23:42.33 | cbreak | very nice and not relying on a specific OS platform |
| 23:42.33 | A-KO | you can usually do it in either/system. |
| 23:42.34 | Cide | I'm willing to bet that over 99.9% of the people who use windows would HATE to use linux |
| 23:43.09 | A-KO | Cide: I run webhosting on linux, I've got a couple of virtual servers, and at work I'm the steward of a few RHEL boxes we've got since I'm the only guy that "knows linux" |
| 23:43.12 | Dagmar | Cide: Those people are also primarily 12:00 blinkers |
| 23:43.13 | A-KO | in an otherwise entirely MS shop |
| 23:43.28 | A-KO | I've also put together a rollout of machines that has rolled Windows out to > 15,000 computers |
| 23:43.34 | Cide | Dagmar: not familiar with "12:00 blinkers" |
| 23:43.35 | A-KO | I use whatever's good for the job |
| 23:43.45 | Dagmar | Cide: If you put a Windows looking skin on a Linux box, they wouldn't be bright enough to know it wasn't Windows 8. |
| 23:43.58 | Dagmar | Cide: The people who never figured out how to set the clock on their VCR. |
| 23:44.12 | Cide | a lot of people using windows aren't tech savvy, no |
| 23:44.16 | Dagmar | Power blinks, VCR clock shows 12:00 and blinks to let you know you needed to set it |
| 23:44.17 | Cide | but how is that offending? |
| 23:44.26 | Dagmar | Cide: They get upset about the very idea of change |
| 23:44.30 | Dashkal | Cide: I'd bet that a vast majority of windows users wouldn't realize they were using linux if you rebranded gnome to look like windows... |
| 23:44.34 | Cide | I disagree |
| 23:44.40 | Cide | *you* get upset about the very idea of change |
| 23:44.46 | Cide | they are likely way more willing |
| 23:44.50 | Dagmar | I get upset about breakage |
| 23:45.12 | Cide | if linux was as intuitive and easy to use as windows the vast majority of them wouldn't mind switching |
| 23:45.13 | Dashkal | When a windows user has to use my home box, I just tell them "The K in the corner is the start menu". And they go merrily along |
| 23:45.20 | Dagmar | I suppose you could say they might be upset about a change to Linux becuase it means they can't run their favorite viruses and rootkits anymore |
| 23:45.22 | Cide | Dashkal: right |
| 23:45.25 | Tuller | i can tell you from experience that users do not like change |
| 23:45.36 | Tuller | well, at least the older set |
| 23:45.53 | Dagmar | Cide: Try Ubuntu. It's just as clicking-moron friendly as Windows now |
| 23:45.58 | Cide | I know |
| 23:46.12 | Cide | but why are you looking down on the people who don't know the technical details you do? |
| 23:46.35 | mitchnull | actually, win7 is pretty good too, it just has some crazy defaults still |
| 23:46.36 | Jerub | Cide: it's interesting what you're saying. i disagree totally with you, but i'm curious as to why you're saying what you're saying :) |
| 23:46.40 | Dagmar | Because they come to me with questions that anyone with a working brain could ahve figured out from reading the error dialog their app just showed them? |
| 23:46.46 | mitchnull | like hiding parts of filenames... |
| 23:46.47 | Cide | Jerub: what am I saying? |
| 23:46.51 | Jerub | Cide: 09:45 <+Cide> if linux was as intuitive and easy to use as windows the vast majority of them wouldn't mind switching |
| 23:47.18 | Cide | mitchnull: how is that a crazy default for the people who aren't very tech savvy |
| 23:47.19 | A-KO | Dagmar: If you use any other OS and assume "no viruses, rootkits"--you're unfortunately living in a fantasy world. I take the exact same mentality on any linux machine I use that I do in any Windows environment, which includes separation of permissions on services, proper log auditing, etc. |
| 23:47.22 | Dagmar | LInux with a decent interface is just as "intuitive" as Windows would claim to be |
| 23:47.24 | KarlKFI|work | if linux was as intuitive as windows it would be mac os |
| 23:47.24 | Jerub | windows 7 when i installed it this year was so easy to install it was almost as easy as linux has been for 5+ years to install. |
| 23:47.31 | Dagmar | A-ko: Whatever. I spent the 90's hacking everything in sight. |
| 23:47.35 | mitchnull | cide: 'cos they don't friggin know what they click on |
| 23:47.43 | A-KO | Jerub: Actually, fwiw, I broke the RHEL5 installer :P |
| 23:47.48 | A-KO | it wasn't really hard either |
| 23:47.49 | Jerub | it's not about easy/inituitive/etc, it's about application support. you can't run games on linux, you can't just run word on linux, you can't run outlook on linux. |
| 23:47.49 | A-KO | and rather sad |
| 23:47.50 | A-KO | :( |
| 23:47.54 | Dagmar | Jerub: Did you notice that Ubuntu actually installs faster? |
| 23:47.54 | mitchnull | most of them know that clicking on .exe is usually a bad idea if they expect a .doc |
| 23:48.00 | Cide | mitchnull: if extensions were standard you would have users complaining about "I renamed my file to 'xyz' and now I can't double-click it anymore" |
| 23:48.06 | Jerub | Dagmar: i installed ubuntu 10.10 on my laptop last week. |
| 23:48.14 | Jerub | Dagmar: live cd installed ftw. |
| 23:48.20 | Jerub | er, usb. |
| 23:48.23 | Cide | windows 7 is a great OS for technical and non-technical people alike |
| 23:48.24 | Jerub | usb-creator is /awesome/ |
| 23:48.30 | Cide | its target audience is not the same as linux' |
| 23:48.38 | Cide | but that's not a reason to dislike windows |
| 23:48.41 | Dagmar | Jerub: I was a little disgusted to see that Ultimate took damn near an hour to install, and then the Ubuntu install I threw at it 20 minutes later took less than half that time |
| 23:48.46 | Cide | but it seems a lot of people do simply because it's "simpler" |
| 23:48.57 | Tuller | 7 takes oh, 10 minutes to install |
| 23:49.03 | Jerub | Cide: it's nothing to do with simplicity. it's about cost of change. |
| 23:49.05 | A-KO | Jerub: Here's a way to break the RHEL5 installer, at the part where it asks you to join the RHN, move a couple of screens into that, then back out of it. When the system came up, it wasn't able to let me join RHN or update properly. I had to manually find/copy a certificate to the proper location for it to work--something that didn't happen on the other box when I went through with the RHN |
| 23:49.05 | A-KO | account stuff. |
| 23:49.05 | Cide | I installed fedora from the full dvd and it took like 3 times as long as windows |
| 23:49.08 | A-KO | feel free to try |
| 23:49.08 | mitchnull | my hate for windows lessened a lot since xp, but I still like freebsd better |
| 23:49.15 | KarlKFI|work | the difference between linux and windows is like android vs iphone... |
| 23:49.16 | Cide | Jerub: no, that's on a personal, person-to-person level |
| 23:49.22 | mitchnull | and I wouldn't run any server app on windows |
| 23:49.35 | A-KO | mitchnull: We run a multi-million dollar business on WIndows |
| 23:49.35 | KarlKFI|work | except without an app store |
| 23:49.36 | A-KO | what do you do? |
| 23:49.37 | Cide | Jerub: I, as a quite technical user, have had to go through hell to get my linux install working properly |
| 23:49.49 | A-KO | 99% of our shop is Windows |
| 23:49.51 | A-KO | including DB servers |
| 23:49.54 | Jerub | A-KO: um, rhel5 is 4 years old now. |
| 23:49.56 | A-KO | we've got a couple of legacy SUN boxes around |
| 23:50.00 | mitchnull | a-ko: good for you. I would still run that multimilion dollar business on *nix :) |
| 23:50.04 | *** join/#wowuidev Ycarene (jporterf@24-116-56-41.cpe.cableone.net) |
| 23:50.04 | Jerub | A-KO: and it's a piece of shit enterprise thing, not a desktop :) |
| 23:50.13 | KarlKFI|work | we still run sparc servers on solaris, so no complaining |
| 23:50.19 | A-KO | Jerub: as of a year ago, it was the only thing you could get--and the newest that shipped with boxes (Dell R400) |
| 23:50.25 | A-KO | KarlKFI: We've got 2 sun servers left |
| 23:50.36 | Jerub | Cide: modern ubuntu installations are a matter of sticking in the usb key, booting, playing around for a few hours, then remembering to hit the 'install' button at some point. |
| 23:50.48 | Dagmar | lol |
| 23:50.52 | Cide | Jerub: I know, but you haven't installed it until you hit install |
| 23:50.59 | KarlKFI|work | all our web servers are solaris. only our db servers are windows now |
| 23:50.59 | Cide | you can't compare apples and oranges |
| 23:51.02 | Dagmar | That's actually about the way I did the last install |
| 23:51.10 | Jerub | Cide: it's the same OS, the installation is actually copying the OS from the usb key to the hdd. |
| 23:51.16 | A-KO | 2 sun boxes, a couple of linux boxes spread throughout, and the rest of our structure entirely on Windows. Mostly 2003/IIS. New project is getting 2008R2 backend. |
| 23:51.18 | Cide | Jerub: right |
| 23:51.19 | Dagmar | I almost forgot to actually go and click the install ion |
| 23:51.21 | Dagmar | er icon |
| 23:51.24 | A-KO | In fact, part of my plan is to run SQUID on Windows for this project |
| 23:51.30 | A-KO | with multi-variant OS' on the bottom end |
| 23:51.33 | Jerub | same software is running. it doesn't install from packages because it's faster to just sequentially copy all the files then /remove/ stuff not required. |
| 23:51.41 | Cide | another problem with linux is it's pretty difficult for non-tech-savvy users to install software |
| 23:51.46 | Cide | if it's not in the package manager |
| 23:51.52 | A-KO | heh |
| 23:51.55 | Jerub | Cide: sure, now that's a huge problem. |
| 23:51.59 | A-KO | Cide: it's difficult period if it's not in the package manager |
| 23:52.06 | Dagmar | "if it's not in the package manager" is no different than "if ther'es no installer exe" |
| 23:52.06 | A-KO | ProFTPD when Filezilla made their FTP client change for SSL |
| 23:52.08 | Jerub | Cide: and i'm 100% with you on that, it's the major detractor to the whole eco-system. |
| 23:52.08 | A-KO | was a pain in the dik |
| 23:52.43 | Cide | and the horrible drivers |
| 23:52.53 | Cide | because people are so locked in on having everything open sourced |
| 23:52.53 | Jerub | A-KO: heh, i've been neck deep in squid lately. |
| 23:52.55 | Dagmar | huh? |
| 23:53.20 | Jerub | *nod* |
| 23:53.21 | Cide | and naturally companies are bad at supporting linux in some cases |
| 23:53.23 | Dagmar | Linux drivers with 1-2 exception cases have been less of a problem than Windows drivers for a couple of years now |
| 23:53.28 | Cide | nope |
| 23:53.33 | Cide | I don't believe you for a fucking second |
| 23:53.40 | Cide | ati drivers? check |
| 23:53.40 | A-KO | Jerub: Well, the reality is, I'm scoping out for using a proxy server for our environment. Unfortunately, in these areas, Windows still has to be the OS due to some legacy application support--And since squid's pretty much the best there is at what it does, I'm gonna fire it up :P |
| 23:53.42 | Cide | atheros drivers? check |
| 23:53.50 | Dagmar | Atheros _hardware_ is questionable as hell |
| 23:53.57 | Cide | no? |
| 23:53.59 | Jerub | Cide: windows 7 is the first windows that i've installed that didn't require driver disks. |
| 23:53.59 | Dagmar | The drivers barely begin to cover it |
| 23:54.00 | A-KO | Jerub: at some point if they drop the windows requirement, I"ll put it all on RHEL. |
| 23:54.07 | Cide | I ran it on my laptop *flawlessly* for 2 years |
| 23:54.16 | A-KO | You have to hand it to Windows deployment though, it's fucking awesome post-XP. |
| 23:54.20 | A-KO | Vista/7 deployment, 7 especially |
| 23:54.21 | Cide | within 5 minutes of installing fedora my connection dropped every few minutes |
| 23:54.24 | A-KO | is sweet |
| 23:54.32 | A-KO | it does stuff even linux environments don't do easily :P |
| 23:54.34 | Dagmar | The last atheros card I had, before I set it on fire (not an exaggeration) actually exhibited fewer bizarre machine-crashing defects under Linux than Windows |
| 23:54.48 | Cide | sure they did |
| 23:54.53 | Kraps | adys: the pictures on mmoc dont open for me |
| 23:54.56 | Cide | maybe your cards were faulty |
| 23:55.00 | KarlKFI|work | graphics cards in general are prone to sucking |
| 23:55.08 | Cide | also |
| 23:55.09 | Kraps | now they do :/ |
| 23:55.13 | Cide | pulseaudio |
| 23:55.13 | Cide | what the fuck |
| 23:55.18 | Dagmar | Cide: See my earlier comment about atheros hardware being questionable |
| 23:55.21 | Cide | can you not create a modern audio driver-or-wtf-it-is in 2010? |
| 23:55.24 | Dagmar | I'm not defending pulse |
| 23:55.26 | Dagmar | Fuck that |
| 23:55.29 | Cide | have you ever had audio problems on windows? no |
| 23:55.32 | Jerub | early atheros stuff was the best supported devices under linux. |
| 23:55.34 | Jerub | for wifi |
| 23:55.35 | Cide | does it support more than one audio stream at once? yes |
| 23:55.39 | Cide | how difficult can it be? |
| 23:55.49 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:55.54 | Cide | pulse is open source |
| 23:55.55 | Cide | go fix it |
| 23:56.00 | Dagmar | Pulse is a solution in search of a problem. |
| 23:56.05 | A-KO | Jerub: The only thing that bothers me is when I deal with "zealots" of a platform. I argued with a buddy of mine because he hates the Windows registry so much, that his app stores settings in a binary file in the user's home directory (under some hidden locations)--It makes that IMPOSSIBLE to deploy across say, a few hundred/thousand computers. |
| 23:56.05 | Cide | like |
| 23:56.07 | Dagmar | Fuck that, I'll just not use it |
| 23:56.13 | Dagmar | Life's too short |
| 23:56.13 | A-KO | Most Windows guys I know have no problem firing up linux |
| 23:56.16 | A-KO | and picking it apart to use it |
| 23:56.25 | A-KO | but every single "other-OS" guy I meet |
| 23:56.30 | A-KO | is *ANTI* Windows |
| 23:56.34 | A-KO | it's not even a matter of what they prefer |
| 23:56.35 | Dagmar | Pulse is supposed to solve the problem of hot-pluggable audio, like USB headsets. |
| 23:56.37 | Cide | Dagmar: is there a good featureful alternative to pulse? |
| 23:56.37 | A-KO | they *hate* the other |
| 23:56.41 | Jerub | i have a windows 7 machine for wow |
| 23:56.46 | Cide | Dagmar: which works *FLAWLESSLY* on windows |
| 23:56.46 | A-KO | I mean |
| 23:56.50 | A-KO | if you write an app in Windows |
| 23:56.50 | Dagmar | Unfortunately it causes whole NEW problems because it's a buggy piece of crap. |
| 23:56.51 | Cide | how difficult can it be? |
| 23:56.54 | A-KO | it needs to conform to Windows standards |
| 23:56.57 | Cide | right |
| 23:56.58 | A-KO | not "linux" standards |
| 23:57.00 | A-KO | use config files in linux |
| 23:57.02 | A-KO | use the registry in Windows |
| 23:57.03 | A-KO | not hard |
| 23:57.04 | Dagmar | Cide: If you STOP USING PULSE it's actually really damn easy |
| 23:57.04 | Hallithron | I have exactly one serious beef with Windows: it costs $150. |
| 23:57.13 | A-KO | Hallithron: right now they've got a deal on a 3 pack upgrade for $150 :P |
| 23:57.13 | Cide | and then I get less features |
| 23:57.16 | Dagmar | ALSA by itself drives just about everything you can find on the market. |
| 23:57.20 | A-KO | and it's cheap/free if you go OEM |
| 23:57.33 | Cide | can you create a feature rich audio driver-or-wtf-pulse-is that rivals windows'? |
| 23:57.38 | Cide | seems like you can't |
| 23:57.45 | Dagmar | Yeah, it's called "not using PulseAudio". |
| 23:57.46 | Cide | because pulse fails |
| 23:57.56 | ThuG4LifE | Can anyone help me fix an addon. since the patch it stopped working |
| 23:57.59 | Cide | oh, so alsa supports hot-pluggable usb audio? |
| 23:58.01 | A-KO | Cide: hot-plug USB headsets apparently aren't that big of a deal compared to making sure the bios is set to UTC time :P |
| 23:58.05 | Kraps | why are people lined up already? http://media.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2010/october/b2k10_day0_19.jpg |
| 23:58.09 | Dagmar | I do not use Pulse, I tell other people to submit bug reports on Pulse or to stop using it if they don't need it. |
| 23:58.14 | Cide | Dagmar: so alsa supports hot-pluggable usb audio? |
| 23:58.21 | Jerub | Cide: um, yep. |
| 23:58.32 | Cide | then why 01:56 < Dagmar> Pulse is supposed to solve the problem of hot-pluggable audio, like USB headsets. |
| 23:58.39 | Dagmar | Cide: not entirely. You can plug them in, but don't expect the machine to be happy about it when you unplug them while you're using them. |
| 23:58.47 | Cide | ah |
| 23:58.48 | Cide | y'see |
| 23:58.51 | Cide | that works great on windows |
| 23:58.53 | A-KO | in Windows, that's a non-issue |
| 23:58.54 | A-KO | yeah |
| 23:58.57 | Dagmar | Of course, until Windows 7, that would fuck up XP as well |
| 23:59.02 | Cide | nope |
| 23:59.05 | A-KO | XP sucks period though |
| 23:59.08 | A-KO | so that's not that big of a deal |
| 23:59.09 | Cide | ^ |
| 23:59.10 | Dagmar | You'd unplug your headset and you'd have no damn sound until you restarted your app |
| 23:59.15 | A-KO | I'm not agreeing that XP sucks |
| 23:59.17 | A-KO | 7 is here and now |
| 23:59.18 | A-KO | XP is 2001 |
| 23:59.20 | Cide | kinda like every app on pulseaudio |
| 23:59.32 | A-KO | Cide: works on my iphone, :P |
| 23:59.32 | Dagmar | I hear for _some_ people Pulse is actually working |
| 23:59.40 | Dagmar | Who the hell those people are I dunno tho |
