| 00:00.59 | Cide | ask anyone but Shirik |
| 00:01.08 | Kraps | lol |
| 00:01.30 | Kraps | i know he worked on it or something |
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| 00:02.58 | Lunessa | if by worked on it, you mean did most of the work and tortured himself by not sleeping... then yes, he did. |
| 00:03.39 | Kraps | aww thats nice |
| 00:09.08 | Kraps | hey were any racials actually changed? |
| 00:09.19 | TMc51 | not that I know of. |
| 00:09.33 | Kraps | :( |
| 00:10.03 | TMc51 | hopefully they do the revamp they promised at blizzcon with 4.0.3 though. |
| 00:10.17 | TMc51 | it would suck if they go back on that. |
| 00:11.07 | A-KO | http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1942322 |
| 00:11.17 | Kraps | if they were going to, it should have been with this patch |
| 00:13.22 | A-KO | http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1942336 < and this is why cats are awesome |
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| 00:22.04 | Kraps | does this stack? http://cata.wowhead.com/spell=89489 |
| 00:22.51 | TMc51 | no clue, but it would be awesome if it does. |
| 00:23.08 | Kraps | and OP |
| 00:26.07 | Kraps | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=27189089339&sid=1 |
| 00:26.53 | TMc51 | There's always time for a few barrel rolls. =) |
| 00:32.23 | SqueeG | rargh |
| 00:32.27 | SqueeG | I don't want patch 4 |
| 00:33.03 | kd3|netbook | you don't have a choice; you will patch and *like it* |
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| 00:36.13 | Lunessa | Your game client came in here weak and atrophied. When it leaves here, it will be a powerful piece of software. It will gain these improvements the old fashioned way; we'll patch it. |
| 00:37.08 | Kaelten | SqueeG: not only that but you're goign to patch a _lot_ |
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| 00:38.05 | SqueeG | Kaelten, aye I know |
| 00:38.15 | Lunessa | And patch, and patch, and patch. |
| 00:38.27 | SqueeG | does not want D: |
| 00:38.33 | SqueeG | it's too soon! |
| 00:38.36 | Kaelten | hehe |
| 00:38.43 | Kaelten | ya I didn't get all the work i wanted to get done done either |
| 00:38.46 | Kaelten | I blame Bibi |
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| 00:39.49 | SqueeG | Ah ha, so there's a name attached to the blame! |
| 00:41.44 | Kaelten | of course |
| 00:41.52 | Kaelten | I have written up some pretty cool prototypes though |
| 00:43.28 | SqueeG | oh? and what've you gotten up to now? :) |
| 00:44.04 | Lunessa | The same thing he's up to every night SqueeG, trying to take over the WORLD! |
| 00:44.07 | Kaelten | stuff :D |
| 00:44.21 | SqueeG | lok |
| 00:44.24 | SqueeG | lol* |
| 00:44.36 | SqueeG | nowai, lunessa. that's ckknight |
| 00:45.21 | Kaelten | lol |
| 00:45.21 | ckknight | well that's true |
| 00:45.40 | Lunessa | Actually it's me. I'm just really passive-aggressive about it. |
| 00:46.03 | Kaelten | Lunessa: true, and not very descreet |
| 00:46.13 | Cide | fix your shit dude |
| 00:46.19 | Lunessa | Why, that's part of passive aggression. |
| 00:46.28 | Kaelten | Lunessa: true.... |
| 00:46.30 | Kaelten | Cide: :( |
| 00:48.03 | Kaelten | http://www.overthinkingit.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Overthinking-It-Female-Character-Flowchart.png |
| 00:48.59 | SqueeG | holy crap kaelten xD |
| 00:49.02 | SqueeG | wtf led you to that xD |
| 00:49.12 | Kaelten | SqueeG: the internet |
| 00:49.44 | SqueeG | yes... but... what *were* you searching for? xD |
| 00:49.58 | Kaelten | lol |
| 00:56.49 | Lunessa | ROFL - http://learnfrommyfail.failblog.org/2010/10/11/fail-story-lfmf-learn-from-jacks-fail-3/ |
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| 01:03.26 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Balls |
| 01:03.33 | Shirik | The fate of the world rests in one man's testicles. In a freak sealing accident, the Queen of Terror is sealed into Satou Kohta's testicles, thus preventing her from reigning destruction onto the world. However, a lesser devil, Elyse, who was with the Queen of Terror on Earth is determined to release the Queen at all costs. The only way to do so is to make Kohta ejaculate, and Elyse only has thirty days to do it. |
| 01:04.34 | Lunessa | .... |
| 01:04.42 | Lunessa | who writes this stuff? |
| 01:05.37 | Shirik | the japanese, obviously |
| 01:07.50 | Arrowmaster | ive heard that manga is hilarious |
| 01:08.52 | Arrowmaster | damnit i lost my place in my book, took me a few to find it again |
| 01:10.37 | Lunessa | Shirik: http://verydemotivational.com/2010/10/04/demotivational-posters-hentai-bedsheets/ |
| 01:11.20 | Torhal | Kaelten: Moar sourdough. |
| 01:13.29 | SqueeG | Lunessa : that demot is rough xD |
| 01:13.57 | Lunessa | I laughed pretty hard. |
| 01:13.58 | SqueeG | lol |
| 01:13.59 | SqueeG | 1x GatherMate_Sharing-1.3\GatherMate_Sharing.lua:248: '<eof>' expected near 'end' |
| 01:14.06 | SqueeG | yea that was pretty awesome D |
| 01:14.07 | SqueeG | xD\ |
| 01:17.33 | Kaelten | Torhal: I need to |
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| 01:26.19 | amro | the chapters are numbered balls |
| 01:26.21 | amro | that's so wrong |
| 01:26.34 | amro | 17th Ball: A Perverse Cupid? |
| 01:26.37 | amro | perverse indeed |
| 01:27.00 | Cide | an interesting tidbit |
| 01:27.38 | amro | 39th Ball: What's Wrong With Being Tsundere? |
| 01:27.51 | sylvanaar | amro you have to disable blizzard's scrolling feature, and use prats scroll module |
| 01:27.51 | amro | asking the wrong question there |
| 01:27.51 | Cide | "kohta" can be pronounced very similarly to "horny" (plural adjective) in swedish |
| 01:28.05 | A-KO | http://imgs.xkcd.com/store/imgs/just_shy_square_0.png < is it sad that I could probably use this shirt? :/ |
| 01:28.07 | amro | sylvanaar: updating prat fixed it |
| 01:28.39 | sylvanaar | i think that i automatically turn off blizz scrolling now |
| 01:29.16 | Arrowmaster | A-KO: does it come in black? |
| 01:29.54 | Arrowmaster | A-KO: although im a bit of both |
| 01:30.43 | amro | "Like most succubus, she has a special power where she stores magic power in her eyes and rapes men with her eyes." |
| 01:30.46 | amro | why Shirik |
| 01:30.47 | amro | why |
| 01:31.48 | Cide | in other news |
| 01:32.00 | Cide | sweden had its first livestreamed suicide on webcam today |
| 01:32.03 | Cide | :( |
| 01:32.52 | amro | I was hoping for less disturbing new |
| 01:32.53 | amro | s |
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| 01:33.06 | Cide | sad imo |
| 01:34.10 | SqueeG | did they really? |
| 01:34.15 | Cide | yes we did |
| 01:34.26 | SqueeG | tv or interwebz?\ |
| 01:34.32 | Cide | web |
| 01:34.47 | SqueeG | was this like... a broadcasted event? |
| 01:34.55 | SqueeG | or did the news find out about it and tell everyone? |
| 01:35.06 | Cide | with his webcam on a forum, yes |
| 01:35.21 | Cide | and then they traced his ip and called the police and they stormed in while the webcam was still running |
| 01:35.21 | SqueeG | *sigh* |
| 01:35.36 | Cide | and then it became national news obviously |
| 01:35.41 | SqueeG | aye |
| 01:37.47 | Cide | oh well |
| 01:40.04 | Lunessa | Cide: It's a sad thing that disturbed people will kill themselves for approval or attention or for any other reason. And even sadder that people will watch it. |
| 01:40.20 | Cide | and yet sadder still that people cheer him on and give him advice on how to do it |
| 01:41.13 | Lunessa | Yes. |
| 01:42.00 | Cide | that's the worst part |
| 01:42.25 | SqueeG | ahaha xD my cat just launched itself and velcro'd to the back fo the girlfriend's computer chair xD |
| 01:42.38 | Cide | awesome |
| 01:42.54 | batrick | what a monster |
| 01:44.14 | SqueeG | holy crap xD http://verydemotivational.com/upcoming/?pid=12992&from=recMap2 |
| 01:44.28 | Cide | ok linux 101 |
| 01:44.36 | Cide | if I launch an executable with foo & |
| 01:44.42 | SqueeG | damit |
| 01:44.43 | SqueeG | http://verydemotivational.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/129091365361209124.jpg |
| 01:44.44 | Cide | can I not get every damn thing from stdout in my terminal |
| 01:45.05 | Cide | or do I need to do like foo & 1>&0 or something |
| 01:45.15 | alestane | I think you have to say something like foo > /dev/null& |
| 01:45.22 | Cide | or that yeah |
| 01:45.26 | Cide | meh |
| 01:45.34 | Cide | that's so verbose |
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| 01:46.31 | alestane | If you don't want output going to the terminal, you have to redirect stdout. |
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| 01:47.07 | Cide | yeah |
| 01:47.29 | Arrowmaster | foo &> /dev/null |
| 01:47.41 | Arrowmaster | if you want both stdout and stderr to goto /dev/null |
| 01:47.46 | Duman | that's for tcsh |
| 01:47.55 | Arrowmaster | no thats bash |
| 01:47.57 | Arrowmaster | http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prog-Intro-HOWTO-3.html |
| 01:48.06 | Cide | I would hope that if I daemonize it it would drop stdout |
| 01:48.18 | Cide | I don't really see why it'd be useful to not do that but /shrug |
| 01:48.30 | Duman | hmm, interesting |
| 01:48.33 | Duman | oh for redirect |
| 01:48.36 | Duman | was thinking pipe |
| 01:48.37 | Duman | hah |
| 01:50.07 | Shirik | uh |
| 01:50.18 | Shirik | what's the difference between `foo > /dev/null` and foo &> /dev/null |
| 01:50.25 | Arrowmaster | read that page |
| 01:50.30 | Shirik | :/ |
| 01:50.50 | Arrowmaster | one is stdout to /dev/null, the other is stdout and stderr to /dev/null |
| 01:51.04 | alestane | `` will run the contents as a shell command and substitute the output for that point in the enclosing command,. |
| 01:51.14 | alestane | At least in bash. |
| 01:51.26 | Shirik | sooo |
| 01:51.32 | Shirik | what's the difference between 1> and > |
| 01:51.41 | Arrowmaster | nothing |
| 01:51.51 | Shirik | bash is evil |
| 01:52.08 | Arrowmaster | not just bash uses those |
| 01:52.09 | alestane | 1> is the generic form. |
| 01:52.16 | ranguvar | shell in general |
| 01:52.19 | alestane | > is a shortcut for 1> |
| 01:52.22 | ranguvar | and no difference, yeah |
| 01:52.37 | Cide | so how do I run it in the bg while redirecting stdout? |
| 01:52.44 | Cide | foo &> /dev/null & ? |
| 01:52.50 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 01:52.55 | Cide | too fucking verbose |
| 01:52.58 | Cide | that should be the default |
| 01:53.10 | Arrowmaster | what are you running? |
| 01:53.17 | Cide | lots of things |
| 01:53.23 | Cide | komodo, google-chrome, kdevelop |
| 01:53.26 | alestane | What would you redirect 1> to to get terminal output then? |
| 01:53.36 | Cide | hm? |
| 01:53.39 | Arrowmaster | why are you launching those from your shell? |
| 01:53.43 | Cide | why not? |
| 01:53.44 | Arrowmaster | alt-f2 |
| 01:53.46 | Cide | it's faster |
| 01:53.50 | Cide | meh |
| 01:53.56 | Cide | I could do that I guess |
| 01:54.05 | Arrowmaster | ~lart Cide |
| 01:54.05 | purl | brandishes Excalibur! "With this sword, I vanquish thee, Cide!" and lops off Cide's head |
| 01:54.13 | Cide | hey don't knock it |
| 01:54.22 | Cide | I'll run your mom from my shell |
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| 01:54.34 | Cide | Shirik: I lost my saddle in my reformatted minecraft save :( |
| 01:55.03 | taroven | Okay, I'm REALLY confused. My computer is blatantly refusing Linux. |
| 01:55.12 | Cide | as it should be |
| 01:55.16 | Cide | windows for all |
| 01:55.19 | Cide | you will be assimilated |
| 01:55.20 | taroven | lawl. |
| 01:55.25 | ranguvar | It must have been corrupted by Gates already. You may have to put it down. |
| 01:55.37 | ranguvar | I'm sorry for your loss. |
| 01:55.40 | taroven | Wish I could, no money to replace the damn thing. |
| 01:55.53 | ranguvar | So yeah, what's your problem? :) |
| 01:56.10 | Arrowmaster | there are some bios that are incomplete and linux wont work with them |
| 01:56.29 | ranguvar | http://www.coreboot.org/ to the rescue? :p |
| 01:56.40 | ranguvar | But seriously, what BIOS? Never heard of any that funky |
| 01:57.33 | taroven | Well, it used to work. I've had an Ubuntu 10.04 install since it was in beta, which worked fine until about two months ago (last time I used it, been using w7 for simplicity's sake for a while). |
| 01:57.46 | Arrowmaster | i cant remember the details but i think they were in some cheap things |
| 01:58.11 | taroven | Tried booting into a LMDE livecd for shits and giggles, got greeted with a cold shutdown after the vmlinux init. |
| 01:58.25 | taroven | Said fuckit and booted into Ubuntu. Another shutdown. |
| 01:58.43 | ranguvar | taroven: Huh. That's rather interesting. |
| 01:58.45 | taroven | Loaded up a Debian netinstall cd I had lying around... same thing. |
| 01:58.57 | kd3 | wow; something's horribly wrong with your smbios |
| 01:59.05 | taroven | Yeah... |
| 01:59.15 | taroven | I have no clue. |
| 01:59.31 | ranguvar | taroven: Now you've got me intrigued :D So does it happen right after the kernel is loaded? Or some point into the boot? |
| 01:59.38 | Arrowmaster | trying to remember the special boot paramarter i had to use once, nopat? |
| 01:59.58 | taroven | On the livecds it loaded up vmlinux and crashed. |
| 02:00.11 | taroven | Ubuntu was pretty much immediate shutdown. |
| 02:00.47 | ranguvar | So there's no screen info to help? Yeah, I would play with some kernel options, nopat noacpi and such. |
| 02:01.23 | taroven | Nothing at all, it just shuts down as soon as the kernel loads (or tries to). |
| 02:02.10 | taroven | Haven't made any changes to the system for a year and a half, and Linux + W7 have been unhappily coexisting since then... first real issue I've had. -.- |
| 02:02.52 | Arrowmaster | i had to use the nopat option to boot an install cd once but after the system was installed it worked fine everytime without it |
| 02:03.27 | taroven | I'll try nopat (and noacpi if that's a nogo), back in a few. |
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| 02:10.57 | taroven | Ah HA! |
| 02:11.09 | taroven | Got an error message, sec while I snag it from the phone... |
| 02:13.00 | SqueeG | GOD NO |
| 02:13.12 | SqueeG | Bankstack moved EVERYTHING out of my mining bag! |
| 02:13.26 | taroven | SqueeG: Eek. |
| 02:13.30 | SqueeG | REVERT! REVERT! |
| 02:14.01 | Cide | was probably coded in linux |
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| 02:15.47 | SqueeG | lol |
| 02:15.55 | SqueeG | this amuses me... |
| 02:15.56 | SqueeG | 1x GatherMate_Sharing-1.3\GatherMate_Sharing.lua:248: '<eof>' expected near 'end' |
| 02:16.29 | taroven | dmi_save_oem_strings out of memory | Aperature beyond 4gb. Ignoring | Your BIOS doesn't leave a aperature memory hole | Please enable the IOMMU option in the BIOS setup | This costs you 64 MB of RAM |
| 02:17.23 | taroven | I remember seeing "dmi_save_oem_strings out of memory" every boot in Ubuntu 9.10 (which poofed in 10.04), but it never actually caused issues. |
| 02:21.24 | alestane | http://notalwaysright.com/dj-freud-featuring-the-oedipus-complexes/7604 |
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| 02:23.19 | taroven | ranguvar: Any idea on that? |
| 02:27.26 | taroven | Think I found a fix... now to crash some more! |
| 02:29.44 | ranguvar | oh really? do tell |
| 02:30.00 | ranguvar | Cide: bad troll is bad |
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| 02:31.58 | Cide | sadly for you I'm an awesome troll |
| 02:32.00 | taroven | Interesting. Booted into recovery mode and it's fine. |
| 02:32.16 | Cide | glad to see that it recovered |
| 02:32.32 | Thunder_Child | Cide: oh please |
| 02:32.39 | Thunder_Child | you are worse than Fiske, and he sucks |
| 02:32.43 | Thunder_Child | Fisker* |
| 02:32.45 | Cide | ? |
| 02:32.49 | Thunder_Child | as a troll |
| 02:50.21 | Shefki | Anyone know if zhCN is only used for the Chinese version of WoW and not the Taiwan version of WoW? |
| 02:50.33 | Shefki | or are both zhTW and zhCN available for both? |
| 02:50.44 | Adys | Shefki: it is. zhTW is used for the taiwan version |
| 02:51.10 | Shefki | You wouldn't happen to have the Chinese version would you? |
| 02:51.39 | Adys | not accessible right now, but i could install it |
| 02:51.41 | Adys | what do you need? |
| 02:52.02 | Shefki | http://www.wowace.com/addons/deus-vox-encounters/tickets/168-dxe-cannot-using-in-chinese-wow/ |
| 02:52.07 | Shefki | Trying to deal with that ticket. |
| 02:52.26 | Shefki | And trying to figure out how to detect it since everyone else isn't getting that change till 4.0.1 |
| 02:52.41 | Shefki | And China is likely to not get 4.0.1 anytime soon. |
| 02:52.45 | Adys | check the toc? :p |
| 02:53.12 | Shefki | Except that the GUID positions aren't the same in 3.x for everyone but the Chinese version. |
| 02:53.22 | Shefki | They apparently got the change we haven't. |
| 02:53.44 | Adys | that would require logging in to a chinese server, i dont have that kind of access |
| 02:54.10 | Adys | i'm not sure what you mean by "not the same for everyone but the chinese version" though |
| 02:54.56 | Shefki | The NPC ID for all versions of wow until Chinese Wrath release and everyone elses 4.0.x release is in positions 9 through 12. |
| 02:55.15 | Shefki | After 4.0.x for the rest of the world and after Chinese Wrath release it changes to 7 through 10 |
| 02:55.49 | Shefki | So their TOC numbers aren't in sync with the changes they're getting. |
| 02:57.55 | Adys | Shefki: http://dpaste.com/256605/ this is my guid detection code; if it helps |
| 02:58.30 | Shefki | That doesn't help. |
| 02:58.45 | Shefki | Their TOC is less than 4.0.0 and they have the cata format. |
| 02:59.02 | Adys | that's not possible... |
| 02:59.12 | Adys | whats their client build? |
| 02:59.15 | Shefki | That GUID change was on the PTR for 3.3.0 |
| 02:59.22 | Shefki | It's been floating around for a while. |
| 02:59.29 | Shefki | They pulled it from everyone elses build for 3.3.x |
| 02:59.35 | Shefki | They did not pull it from the Chinese version. |
| 02:59.59 | Shefki | And I don't know what their build number is. |
| 03:00.02 | Adys | they didn't pull it, it still moved, just not as much, afaik |
| 03:00.31 | Adys | i remember changing my code for ptr 33x, yet it didnt break on live |
| 03:00.55 | Shefki | The change for the 3.3 PTR is the same as what we're doing for Cata. |
| 03:01.11 | Shefki | http://www.wowace.com/addons/libbossids-1-0/ |
| 03:01.14 | Shefki | See the comments there. |
| 03:01.22 | Shefki | Note the date on the first comment. |
| 03:02.00 | Adys | find out their build number, it cant possibly be identical if the codebase is different |
| 03:03.02 | Adys | maybe china deemed that boss ids between 7 and 10 is less appropriate for the population.. |
| 03:03.18 | Shefki | 9 and 12 you mean but yeah, lol |
| 03:03.27 | Adys | er yea |
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| 03:05.00 | Shefki | Build number: 3.2.2.12484 |
| 03:05.21 | alestane | "There are two foot high drifts of HAIL on our deck. That was the most insane storm I have ever seen... Hope everyone is ok!" |
| 03:06.05 | Shefki | I guess I could check for build number greater than 12340 |
| 03:06.21 | Shefki | Which is the 3.3.5 build number for everyone else. |
| 03:06.23 | Adys | Shefki: just check for that specific build number, imho |
| 03:07.24 | Adys | wow. wikia actually made the new wowwiki look even WORSE |
| 03:08.30 | Shefki | local NEW_GUID_FORMAT = tostring(select(2,GetBuildInfo())) >= 12484 |
| 03:09.26 | DWSR | Adys: Nice to see WoWwiki got Facebook connect though |
| 03:09.45 | Adys | DWSR: uh yeah, who gives a shit, give openid instead |
| 03:10.02 | DWSR | Adys: When Facebook becomes an OpenID provider, I'll give a shit. |
| 03:10.09 | DWSR | (about OpenID) |
| 03:10.55 | Jerub | DWSR: wow. that's wow. |
| 03:10.56 | Jerub | wow. |
| 03:10.59 | SqueeG | i dislike the idea of "binding" all of my vasrious online accounts |
| 03:11.00 | Adys | that wont automatically make wikia add the facebook openid provider |
| 03:11.20 | Shefki | When Facebook gives a rats ass about users and not just advertisers, I'll give a rats ass about Facebook. But then who am I kidding, that will be never. |
| 03:11.22 | DWSR | SqueeG: So don't. that's the brilliance of OpenID. |
| 03:11.36 | Adys | DWSR: it's NOT fucking openid |
| 03:11.42 | Adys | it's account binding |
| 03:12.00 | DWSR | Adys: I'm not talking about Facebook connect. |
| 03:12.18 | Adys | [04:10:32] <DWSR> Adys: Nice to see WoWwiki got Facebook connect though |
| 03:12.19 | Adys | [04:13:06] <DWSR> Adys: I'm not talking about Facebook connect. |
| 03:12.31 | Adys | man 2 mins and 30 seconds can do one hell of a change to everything |
| 03:12.45 | SqueeG | lol |
| 03:12.46 | DWSR | <SqueeG> i dislike the idea of "binding" all of my vasrious online accounts |
| 03:12.47 | DWSR | Yes, it can. |
| 03:12.48 | Shefki | Guess I'll just use this: local NEW_GUID_FORMAT = tonumber(select(2,GetBuildInfo())) >= 12484 |
| 03:12.58 | Adys | yeah Shefki looks good |
| 03:13.40 | Lunessa | Shefki: Facebook - it's evil, but it's a familiar, comfortable evil and we all just walked in like sheep. :P |
| 03:13.51 | DWSR | Lunessa: The devil you know. |
| 03:14.09 | DWSR | Also Adys, Wikia doesn't support OID. |
| 03:14.12 | DWSR | Just FBC |
| 03:14.16 | Adys | ....................... |
| 03:14.18 | Lunessa | DWSR: Yeah, she's hot and only works weekends to put herself through college... |
| 03:14.19 | Adys | thats what i said |
| 03:14.35 | alestane | Well, about the only way to run a service like Facebook that isn't adcentric is to "gasp" sharge for it. |
| 03:14.38 | alestane | charge* |
| 03:14.39 | DWSR | Adys: I have an OID. Problem is that I can't fucking use it anywhere. |
| 03:15.08 | Adys | activate it on your google account; a lot of websites support google connect |
| 03:15.09 | Shefki | alestane: I know. |
| 03:15.13 | Adys | and google's auth in general is amazing |
| 03:15.37 | DWSR | Adys: Yeah, I know. That's the OID I have. |
| 03:15.44 | Adys | Shefki: do you have GetBuildInfo() of the chinese client by any chance? and do you have it for zhcn too? |
| 03:16.09 | Shefki | I just have what I found someone posting. |
| 03:16.13 | Shefki | Which I gave you above. |
| 03:16.27 | Adys | mmk |
| 03:16.31 | Adys | ill see if i can install it |
| 03:16.46 | Shefki | I can never find someone with a chinese account to help. |
| 03:16.52 | Adys | jesus christ |
| 03:17.09 | Shefki | I just get ocassional posts from Chinese in broken english about something being broken. :( |
| 03:17.17 | Adys | there is a huge box "CHECK OUT WIKIA'S NEW LOOK!!!" at the bottom of the page, on fixed scrolling, on wowwiki |
| 03:17.20 | Adys | when you use the new look |
| 03:17.23 | Adys | you cant close it |
| 03:17.29 | kd3 | amusing, isn't it |
| 03:17.33 | kd3 | also, not our fault |
| 03:17.40 | Adys | i know it's not dude |
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| 03:17.58 | Adys | wikia is just absolutely braindamaged |
| 03:18.08 | Shefki | blames Canada. |
| 03:18.33 | Shefki | I love how I get adverts for work constantly on various sites, like WowWiki. |
| 03:18.44 | Adys | even canada cant make things that ba |
| 03:18.46 | Adys | bad/ |
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| 03:19.35 | Adys | wow the language bar is bugged too |
| 03:19.45 | Adys | i... have no word |
| 03:20.38 | Jamash | hmm? |
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| 03:20.56 | Adys | nothing, just wikia puking all over my monitor |
| 03:21.07 | Jamash | oh |
| 03:21.34 | Lunessa | I don't see that. AdBlokPlus for the win? |
| 03:22.02 | DWSR | No. |
| 03:22.05 | DWSR | The new layout's horrid. |
| 03:22.45 | Adys | i think wikia figured that they needed to make it so that ads aren't the problem anymore. |
| 03:22.53 | Adys | that sure worked. |
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| 03:23.14 | Wobin | http://thedailywh.at/post/1285806670/childhood-trauma-of-the-day-instant-fear-of |
| 03:23.43 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Cairenn -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ || 4.0.x ToC: 40000 || #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting || Cata Beta UI download: http://bit.ly/cvplpG || Are you going to BlizzCon (Oct 22 & 23)? http://tinyurl.com/22kjfxu || 5th Annual UI Community Dinner http://fb.me/JFXVE9Zh | "you are hot Shirik" - Fisker |
| 03:27.02 | Shefki | "bad argument #2 to 'tonumber' (number expected, got string)" |
| 03:27.03 | Shefki | ... |
| 03:27.09 | Shefki | That makes no sense. |
| 03:27.25 | Torhal | Argument #2? WTF? |
| 03:27.32 | Shefki | Ahh I get it. |
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| 03:27.39 | Shefki | tonumber's 2nd argument. |
| 03:27.40 | Shefki | Blah. |
| 03:27.43 | Shefki | Base. |
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| 03:28.29 | Shefki | Had to do: |
| 03:28.30 | Shefki | bad argument #2 to 'tonumber' (number expected, got string) |
| 03:28.33 | Shefki | oops wrong copy. |
| 03:28.34 | Trela | At least it was not my random error earlier. "Unexpected foreach!" <Lexi> WTF, not unexpected, I put it there! |
| 03:28.38 | Shefki | local NEW_GUID_FORMAT = tonumber(select(2,GetBuildInfo()),10) >= 12484 |
| 03:28.42 | Torhal | Ah, I'd never used it with a base. |
| 03:28.55 | DWSR | Anyone know what kind of bandwidth wowwiki uses in a typical month? |
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| 03:29.04 | Jamash | ok how do I get the wikia facebook bar off the bottom of my screen |
| 03:29.05 | Torhal | Er, actually I had. Derp. |
| 03:29.10 | Shefki | How I wish there was a scalar() function in Lua. |
| 03:29.19 | Jamash | you're trolling right? |
| 03:29.28 | Jamash | everything in lua is already scalar |
| 03:29.49 | Shefki | Nope. |
| 03:29.51 | Trela | DWSR: Besides images, I would not imagine very much. |
| 03:29.55 | Jamash | yep |
| 03:30.07 | DWSR | I need a value. |
| 03:30.09 | Jamash | ok, what would your theoretical scalar() function do? |
| 03:30.16 | Shefki | function returns are lists. |
| 03:30.24 | Jamash | (function()) |
| 03:30.29 | Shefki | select(n,..) |
| 03:31.09 | Shefki | The extra parens works. |
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| 03:33.08 | Xinhuan | whats the latest conversion rate for triumph and frost -> justice points? |
| 03:33.12 | mikma | haste: http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/ror.jpg |
| 03:33.16 | Xinhuan | wowhead and mmo-champ calculators don't match |
| 03:33.17 | Jamash | 11.483347373489245983741274 |
| 03:33.28 | mikma | haste: http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/peer_pressure.jpg |
| 03:34.01 | Jamash | I listen to music based on anime music videos |
| 03:34.43 | Wobin | mikma: http://screencast.com/t/vhRh9360 |
| 03:35.54 | Jamash | yeah the new wowwiki skin is crap |
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| 03:36.21 | Jamash | they're clearly trying to make the internet look like a bad glossy magazine |
| 03:36.32 | Kraps | whats with bashioks avatar? http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/27026380303/cataclysm-art-amp-video-contests/ |
| 03:36.50 | Trela | SPEEDY! |
| 03:36.51 | mikma | wobin: http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/meanwhile_in_australia3.jpg |
| 03:37.13 | Wobin | mikma: (that photo was from yesterday =)) |
| 03:37.29 | mikma | yesterday? try friday or so xD |
| 03:37.36 | Wobin | no, the lion one |
| 03:37.53 | Wobin | I went walking with lions (technically) yesterday |
| 03:38.00 | mikma | wobin: you went and played with lions? |
| 03:38.04 | Wobin | ^^ |
| 03:38.11 | mikma | they are trying to nom each others head |
| 03:38.16 | Wobin | they totally were |
| 03:38.24 | Wobin | that's a brother and sister cub |
| 03:39.31 | Wobin | http://www.lionencounter.com/pages/visit_livingstone.html |
| 03:39.38 | Wobin | best $125 spent ever |
| 03:40.05 | mikma | wobin: derp, http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/derp_forever_alone.jpg |
| 03:40.29 | ccox | who has the betting pool for what time the servers will *really* be up tomorrow? |
| 03:40.52 | kd3 | I'm betting some time close to 1800 PDT |
| 03:40.53 | ccox | I want the 8pm PST slot |
| 03:41.12 | kd3 | which is good, because I'm going to be upgrading to f14 since I've nothing else to do |
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| 03:41.57 | ccox | Hey MP! |
| 03:42.32 | kd3 | "WARNING - a successful hunt may be disturbing to some observers." |
| 03:42.34 | kd3 | no, really? |
| 03:43.41 | Wobin | http://dukio.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/blockbuster-i-heart-p2p-crop.jpg |
| 03:48.11 | Kraps | Wobin: thats mean :( |
| 03:48.24 | ccox | (justified, but mean) |
| 03:50.30 | Kraps | ccox: are you saying pirating is justified? |
| 03:50.41 | ccox | No, just the graffiti |
| 03:51.53 | Kraps | gg on ruining the bait jerk :( |
| 03:52.48 | ccox | pirating is hard to justify |
| 03:53.06 | ccox | even if you can't afford something, it's still stealing from someone who put a lot of hard work into making the product |
| 03:55.38 | Dagmar | Pirating aside, Blockbuster's been doing their best to screw everyone else over for a long time now |
| 03:55.51 | Dagmar | It's funny as hell to see them get their nose tweaked like that |
| 03:56.02 | Shefki | I really don't think pirating had any impact on Blockbuster. |
| 03:56.14 | Shefki | Blockbuster failed to innovate and adjust to NetFlix and RedBox. |
| 03:56.28 | Dagmar | Yeah I think it was more a matter of new markets making their laziness and waste turn them unprofitable |
| 03:56.52 | Dagmar | They actually filed a lawsuit against Redbox claiming it was unfair that Redbox rents videos for cheaper |
| 03:56.56 | Shirik | fuckin magnets, how do they work?!? http://www.bungie.net/Stats/Reach/FileDetails.aspx?fid=6206260&player=Foxswift |
| 03:56.58 | Shefki | Well really how can you compete against a machine and a business that only has to run a few distribution centers. |
| 03:57.12 | Shefki | Their real estate costs are what killed them. |
| 03:57.14 | Dagmar | Shefki: You stop selling buggy-whips, mainly |
| 03:57.44 | Shirik | kd3: ping |
| 03:57.50 | kd3 | pong |
| 03:57.52 | Shefki | Well their issue wasn't what they were selling but how. But your're on point. |
| 03:57.58 | Dagmar | Although mainly it would have helped some I"m sure if they'd cut out some of the excesses and just focused on competing |
| 03:58.22 | Shirik | is anything um... "going on" with wikia & wowwiki? |
| 03:58.40 | kd3 | we're about to fork the site |
| 03:58.44 | Shirik | ? |
| 03:58.46 | Shirik | really? |
| 03:58.53 | kd3 | yup |
| 03:58.56 | Shirik | why's that? |
| 03:59.07 | Dagmar | It's done and it's time to stick a fork in it? |
| 03:59.10 | Shirik | just curious really |
| 03:59.18 | Shirik | someone came to me and said "They're mutinying against Wikia, in case you haven't heard. o:" |
| 03:59.28 | kd3 | the combination of a new facebookish skin and the terms of use changes that prohibit us from "fixing" the skin |
| 03:59.34 | Shirik | facebookish skin? |
| 03:59.35 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Forum:Should_WoWWiki_leave_Wikia%3F |
| 03:59.37 | Kraps | this looks legit http://kotaku.com/5661296/a-look-at-black-ops-single-player-gameplay-and-story |
| 03:59.49 | kd3 | see the "comparison" screenshots in the second section or so |
| 03:59.56 | Shefki | Dagmar: I'm not sure what waste you're referring to though. The only choice they had was to reinvent themselves, which can be a hard thing to see. |
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| 04:00.23 | Shefki | Which also was against their primary competitive advantage vs Netflix. |
| 04:00.56 | Shefki | When RedBox showed up on their scene, you had a cheap way to impulse rent. |
| 04:01.04 | Shefki | It took both of them to kill Blockbuster. |
| 04:01.09 | Shefki | And they really couldn't be both. |
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| 04:02.17 | Shirik | hm |
| 04:02.22 | Shirik | well good luck either way :) |
| 04:02.25 | kd3 | ty |
| 04:02.27 | Shirik | power to the people |
| 04:03.01 | kd3 | that's the plan. ;) |
| 04:03.04 | Shirik | I'm surprised they would force you to do something like this |
| 04:03.06 | Dagmar | Shekfi: Actually I'm anxiously awaiting RedBox's new gmae rental service |
| 04:03.13 | Shirik | like if they tried to do something like this on Wikipedia um |
| 04:03.18 | Shirik | well they'd tear Jimbo's head off |
| 04:03.49 | Jerub | is there a screen shot of the 'new' skin |
| 04:03.54 | kd3 | yes |
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| 04:04.12 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Forum:Should_WoWWiki_leave_Wikia%3F#Comparison_of_skins |
| 04:04.34 | Shefki | Dagmar: The game business isn't particularly different, other than the economics of the costs of the capital assets (games) |
| 04:05.03 | Shefki | Except in the case of the game business you have more competition from download content. |
| 04:05.09 | Jerub | looks okay |
| 04:05.10 | kd3 | the screencaps don't do it justice. if you've got an account, log in, go to www.wowwiki.com/Special:Preferences and look for yourself |
| 04:05.20 | Jerub | apart from the stupid ads tho |
| 04:05.51 | Dagmar | Shefki: Mainly, I'm just tired of feeling like I'm playing Three Care Monte when I'm trying to decide whether or not to buy a video game |
| 04:05.58 | kd3 | also; imagine the blue borders on the side of the first screencap filled with ads too. that's the main reason why the site's fixed-width and just-shy-of-1000px |
| 04:06.15 | Adys | Cairenn? |
| 04:06.29 | Shefki | Dagmar: Don't blame you. |
| 04:06.33 | Dagmar | If I can shell out $1-2 to play it for a couple nights, _as opposed to what BB wanted_ I'm way more able to come to some decisions other than "Too risky to spend $66 on" |
| 04:07.09 | Adys | actually nvm, got it fixed |
| 04:07.43 | Kraps | Get Curse to host it.Ackis 18:14, September 30, 2010 (UTC) |
| 04:07.46 | Kraps | haha |
| 04:08.27 | kd3 | anyway, I'll be posting a for-the-masses press release in a few days once the patch madness dies down. the move happens before blizzcon. ;) |
| 04:08.37 | Sixen | w00t |
| 04:08.59 | Kraps | where are you going? |
| 04:09.09 | kd3 | curse |
| 04:09.12 | Sixen | He's moving into the Curse Apartments |
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| 04:09.37 | Cairenn | Adys: ? |
| 04:09.45 | kd3 | yes, yes "curse is taking over the world!" |
| 04:09.49 | kd3 | rolls his eyes |
| 04:09.54 | Arrowmaster | kd3: what domain are you going to be using? |
| 04:09.57 | kd3 | isn't that right bibi? |
| 04:09.58 | kd3 | wowpedia.org |
| 04:09.59 | Adys | Cairenn: got it sorted. although, what's the earliest we can meet for the UI dinner? |
| 04:10.11 | Adys | (sorting out my planning) |
| 04:10.26 | Jerub | oh, who owns the wowwiki.com domain? |
| 04:10.28 | Cairenn | oh, you can get there whenever you want, sit at the bar and drink until food timez, but food timez is 9pm |
| 04:10.29 | kd3 | wikia |
| 04:10.31 | Adys | Jerub: wikia |
| 04:10.35 | Jerub | Adys: that sucks :( |
| 04:10.41 | Adys | Cairenn: alright |
| 04:10.49 | Adys | Does anyone know how far it is from the convention center? |
| 04:10.58 | Adys | by foot, or by taxi, or dunno |
| 04:11.00 | kd3 | it's within walking distance, 10 minutes tops? |
| 04:11.04 | Adys | ah, cool |
| 04:11.05 | kd3 | we were there last year |
| 04:11.22 | Kraps | .org? |
| 04:11.22 | Jamash | time to start churning out glyphs |
| 04:11.24 | Cairenn | yep |
| 04:11.29 | kd3 | .com isn't available |
| 04:11.29 | Adys | i wasnt :( got to anaheim the next day |
| 04:11.31 | Kraps | why? |
| 04:11.34 | Kraps | oh |
| 04:11.42 | Adys | Kraps: what .org? |
| 04:11.55 | kd3 | we tried every domain we could think of that isn't for sale over $1000... |
| 04:11.56 | kd3 | sighs |
| 04:11.59 | Cairenn | Adys: http://s.wowinterface.com/storage/bcon10-uidinner-directions.pdf |
| 04:12.17 | Adys | Cairenn: yah, got that :) but it's hard to estimate walking times |
| 04:12.27 | Adys | thanks though |
| 04:13.11 | Cairenn | not when the estimate is on the post itself :p |
| 04:13.20 | Shefki | Adys: Where are you staying? |
| 04:13.23 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:13.28 | Adys | red lion's, Shefki |
| 04:13.35 | Adys | Cairenn: oh, didnt see |
| 04:13.42 | Cairenn | silly boy |
| 04:13.45 | Adys | >:( |
| 04:14.10 | kd3 | oh, the red lion's nice. I was there last year |
| 04:14.21 | kd3 | free wifi ++ |
| 04:14.57 | Adys | is the wifi actually any good? |
| 04:15.03 | Adys | i remember the wifi at my other hotel |
| 04:15.16 | Adys | was like 20 bytes per second if you were lucky |
| 04:15.22 | kd3 | good enough; I'm pretty sure I uploaded crap from the press CD to the wiki over it |
| 04:16.19 | Arrowmaster | kd3: how long are wikia going to let your for-the-masses press release stay up? |
| 04:16.21 | Shefki | I usually stay at the Holiday Inn Express. |
| 04:16.31 | Shefki | Never had any issue with their net connection (also free) |
| 04:17.02 | kd3 | probably not long once the move happens; the main point of the press release is that we're going to try to get it posted *everywhere* (curse, zam, blizz, etc...) before blizzcon while site traffic's up |
| 04:18.21 | ccox | .Net on a microcontroller? What are these people smoking? One too many hits with an Arduino? |
| 04:18.27 | Arrowmaster | so you are copying the old db right, everything on the site is currently GFDL, going to keep that? |
| 04:18.34 | Dagmar | More than just one |
| 04:18.43 | Arrowmaster | ccox: rofl |
| 04:18.56 | kd3 | cc-by-sa actually, but yeah. everything up until the point the data/image dumps get created will wind up on the new site |
| 04:18.59 | ccox | "Netduino" yep - way too many hits |
| 04:20.25 | Arrowmaster | kd3: whats to keep wikia from constantly scraping the new site and updating wowwiki? |
| 04:20.34 | ccox | nothing |
| 04:20.43 | kd3 | they'd have to link to us, which I know they're not going to want to |
| 04:20.48 | kd3 | hugs the -SA bit of cc-by-sa |
| 04:20.58 | kd3 | er, -BY |
| 04:21.41 | Arrowmaster | good, hope you guys keep a good eye on the wowwiki recent changes though after this happens, just encase |
| 04:22.07 | kd3 | we've been over all kinds of contingency plans, on-wiki and not. fear not. ;) |
| 04:23.20 | Arrowmaster | well i know what happened with guildwiki and its cc license when wikia bought it so i dont particularly think wikia has much respect for copyright |
| 04:23.37 | Adys | wikia doesnt have much respect for anything |
| 04:23.40 | kd3 | ^ |
| 04:23.48 | Kraps | so whats happening with the wowwiki domain? |
| 04:24.04 | kd3 | wikia owns it and will in perpetuity |
| 04:24.22 | Arrowmaster | it will likely become a redirect to the new wikia subdomain that they have been wanting to move wowwiki to for years |
| 04:24.44 | Arrowmaster | since theyll have no reason to not change to a subdomain |
| 04:24.47 | Adys | maybe ill buy it and make it a redirect to some porn site or something |
| 04:24.49 | Mirrormn | hugs kd3 |
| 04:25.09 | kd3 | lol |
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| 04:25.14 | Adys | i know |
| 04:25.15 | Amarande | sooo. |
| 04:25.19 | Adys | ill start a pledgie for it |
| 04:25.22 | Amarande | how prepared are popular addons for 4.0? |
| 04:25.33 | Adys | most of them are up to date |
| 04:25.39 | Amarande | and I rushed through the starting levels on my hunter this weekend as well |
| 04:25.39 | Adys | and tbh, 4.0 doesnt break that much |
| 04:25.44 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Cataclysm_AddOn_status |
| 04:25.45 | Amarande | because I really DON'T want to deal with the starter pet bullshit |
| 04:25.52 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: i opened the flood gates and reenabled comments on cartographer on curse, should be fun |
| 04:25.54 | kd3 | and gah, that's going to be a hard habit to unlearn |
| 04:25.56 | Amarande | did they fix the berserk starter pet bug, btw? |
| 04:26.02 | Adys | kd3: what will? |
| 04:26.08 | kd3 | typing wowwiki |
| 04:26.34 | Adys | haha. |
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| 04:27.00 | Adys | kd3: so why exactly are you still staying there? are you employed yet? |
| 04:27.17 | kd3 | because the new site isn't ready to go yet |
| 04:27.26 | kd3 | and wikia's stalling on giving us the dumps we need |
| 04:27.29 | Amarande | oh, *fuck*. |
| 04:27.33 | Adys | i mean, why do you stay with wowwiki |
| 04:27.36 | Amarande | Bartender is "partial functionality" |
| 04:27.40 | Amarande | I think I'll play Dragon Age tomorrow. |
| 04:27.49 | Amarande | I CANNOT WoW without Bartender. |
| 04:27.52 | kd3 | aw |
| 04:28.05 | Adys | Amarande: to be fair... |
| 04:28.16 | kd3 | mainly because I'm in school still. soon as I get out I'll be looking for actual work. ;) |
| 04:28.16 | Amarande | Bartender is one of the short list ... the ones that I absolutely need to have to play WoW without tearing hair out |
| 04:28.18 | Adys | wow is starting to be playable without action bar mods |
| 04:28.26 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: Sadistic bastard. I love it. |
| 04:28.30 | Arrowmaster | kd3: i saw the stories about trying to get dumps from wikia and them being either incomplete or full of crap linking back to wikia, good luck |
| 04:28.31 | kd3 | ooh, ooh |
| 04:28.34 | Adys | kd3: so they paying you? or you're just doing volunteer work? |
| 04:28.36 | Amarande | the others are Pitbull, Prat, QuestGuru, Omen, and SexyMap |
| 04:28.51 | Adys | kd3: because if it's volunteer, I got much, much better projects you could spend time on :P |
| 04:28.52 | Amarande | I can probably do without the others, but those six are basically my core UI |
| 04:29.01 | kd3 | nah, they're getting ad dollars off my free time |
| 04:29.02 | kd3 | lol |
| 04:29.43 | Arrowmaster | Torhal: since i reenabled them you can see the comments from before i disabled them, cogwheel was being snappy |
| 04:29.43 | kd3 | tabs open carto's page on curse |
| 04:29.51 | Adys | kd3: you good with any of the following? css, python, ruby, javascript, html-canvas, webgl, opengl, c++, c, qt |
| 04:29.57 | Adys | i got projects fitting all of that |
| 04:30.07 | MentalPower | hey ccox, long time no see |
| 04:30.15 | kd3 | yes, somewhat, no, kinda, not yet, not yet, a little, yes, yes, not really |
| 04:30.33 | Kraps | "Discussions aren't results. We have a plan in motion to eliminate all of the Wikia hassles - by moving to another server. Sorry, but no dice" IN THE FACE |
| 04:30.47 | Thunder_Child | hell, i'm getting paid to do JS and css, and i dont know it |
| 04:31.41 | Shefki | Arrowmaster: You lazy person. :P |
| 04:31.59 | Shefki | How dare you not devote your life to making those people happy. |
| 04:32.01 | ccox | Hey MP -- yeah, had some of my own projects keeping me busy |
| 04:32.10 | MentalPower | same here |
| 04:32.42 | Adys | kd3: take your pick: CSX (css extended) design&base parser (python, css), mpqedit-qt (qt interface for stormlib), python-stormlib (c/++ bindings for stormlib), or an undisclosed 3d online game project |
| 04:33.09 | Nechckn | MentalPower was out boozing it up, daily; no excuse!! |
| 04:33.28 | Arrowmaster | kd3: oh yeah are you going to see about getting wowwiki delisted from official fansite status? |
| 04:33.38 | Adys | Arrowmaster: easy |
| 04:33.45 | kd3 | one of many things I asked about in my email to our fansite contact |
| 04:33.48 | Adys | lemme sign a deal with ige and get some ads running |
| 04:34.04 | MentalPower | Nechckn: you caught me! |
| 04:34.10 | kd3 | needless to say they're juggling a few things atm |
| 04:34.11 | MentalPower | Arrowmaster: delisted why? |
| 04:34.14 | Adys | wikia's crave for ads will probably get me free spotlight on there |
| 04:34.45 | Arrowmaster | MentalPower: because they are moving away from wikia, so the only people running wowwiki will be wikia |
| 04:35.17 | MentalPower | must've missed some recent drama... |
| 04:35.22 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Forum:Should_WoWWiki_leave_Wikia%3F |
| 04:35.26 | kd3 | whistles |
| 04:35.27 | Arrowmaster | and not the people that actually earned that official fansite status |
| 04:35.30 | Adys | more like you've been under a rock for the past 2 years |
| 04:35.31 | Adys | :P |
| 04:35.35 | Kraps | whoever is going to blizzcon, take lots of pictures |
| 04:35.43 | MentalPower | guilty as charged |
| 04:35.51 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: why? |
| 04:35.52 | Arrowmaster | Kraps: i will, of Cairenn |
| 04:36.02 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: why not? |
| 04:36.12 | kd3 | ooh, that reminds me |
| 04:36.13 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: because most of it will be streamed |
| 04:36.15 | kd3 | looks for his camera charger |
| 04:36.35 | Arrowmaster | i got a brand new 8gb sd card to use for blizzcon |
| 04:36.47 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: not of panels or events, just stuff |
| 04:36.49 | Arrowmaster | well not brand new but i still havent opened it |
| 04:36.57 | Kraps | people |
| 04:37.05 | Arrowmaster | people like Cairenn |
| 04:37.12 | Kraps | cool stuff you see |
| 04:37.18 | kd3 | if she doesn't kill us for taking pictures of her |
| 04:37.20 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: sure. i wish blizzcon wasnt for another 4 months or so, then i could afford the 7D |
| 04:37.21 | kd3 | >.> |
| 04:37.21 | Kraps | like Cairenn? |
| 04:37.37 | Thunder_Child | she always says it, but she never follows through |
| 04:38.05 | Amarande | lol |
| 04:38.13 | Amarande | Cairenn is a sweetie, why would she follow through :P |
| 04:38.33 | MentalPower | I can attest otherwise :) |
| 04:38.42 | MentalPower | she can follow thru |
| 04:38.48 | Adys | http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/128926551542212899.jpg |
| 04:38.54 | Adys | I'm having a hard time understanding this sign. |
| 04:39.04 | Thunder_Child | MentalPower: can is not the same as does |
| 04:39.05 | Cairenn | giggles |
| 04:39.37 | Amarande | Cairenn, do you know if Aranarth's Broker addons are ready for 4.0 yet? |
| 04:39.39 | kd3 | roller bladers are both okay and not okay? are they schrodinger's roller bladers? |
| 04:39.46 | Cairenn | dunno |
| 04:40.14 | Kraps | Cairenn: is it true what they say about you? :/ |
| 04:40.24 | Adys | Kraps: yes it is |
| 04:40.25 | Thunder_Child | but they say so many things |
| 04:40.25 | Cairenn | depends on which who and what what |
| 04:40.33 | Amarande | and nooooooo questguru is broken |
| 04:41.21 | Adys | please, like anyone still needs quest mods. |
| 04:42.09 | Kraps | carbonite? |
| 04:42.17 | kd3 | ^ the in-game questhelper does a pretty good job now |
| 04:42.25 | kd3 | not that even that is needed, but still |
| 04:42.38 | Adys | actually, ive become sort of addicted to the ingame qh |
| 04:42.45 | Kraps | carbonites quicker |
| 04:42.49 | Adys | when quests dont have it, I get lost |
| 04:42.53 | Adys | Kraps: who cares? |
| 04:42.56 | Kraps | "Also, I mean no offense by saying bro. Bro is interchangeable with dude." rofl |
| 04:43.08 | Adys | you take 5 more seconds on a quest |
| 04:43.10 | Adys | seriously. |
| 04:44.40 | Kraps | Adys: its a map too, no window-opening required |
| 04:44.49 | Adys | ugh |
| 04:44.55 | Adys | your laziness strikes me as unhealthy |
| 04:46.32 | Adys | so i just spent like 15 mins fixing my series/Futurama folder |
| 04:47.03 | Adys | bloody official order vs broadcast order |
| 04:47.25 | Arrowmaster | http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/425/scrollfairynamelol.jpg |
| 04:47.53 | Adys | Arrowmaster, what game is this? |
| 04:48.15 | Arrowmaster | new Castlevania |
| 04:48.20 | kd3 | ahaha |
| 04:48.37 | Adys | kd3: you use mplayer ya? |
| 04:48.45 | kd3 | ya |
| 04:48.52 | Arrowmaster | most linux users do |
| 04:49.09 | Arrowmaster | well the smart ones at least |
| 04:49.14 | Adys | im only using it because it handles sound better than vlc atm |
| 04:49.27 | Arrowmaster | see |
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| 04:49.36 | Adys | kd3: does it often leave black garbage on screen when switching from fs to regular? |
| 04:49.43 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 04:49.50 | Adys | know why? |
| 04:49.55 | kd3 | yes, until mythfrontend refreshes |
| 04:49.56 | kd3 | dunno why |
| 04:50.24 | Arrowmaster | oh, from fs to regular, no i dont see anything |
| 04:50.35 | Arrowmaster | i see garbage when switching from regular to fs |
| 04:50.42 | Arrowmaster | but it only lasts a split second |
| 04:51.54 | Adys | what cards/drivers you have? |
| 04:52.24 | kd3 | 8600gt, whatever's in rpmfusion at present |
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| 04:52.39 | kd3 | is being lazy wrt gfx drivers |
| 04:53.26 | Adys | latest nvidia drivers are buggy |
| 04:53.30 | Adys | the 260 line |
| 04:53.34 | Adys | the 256 line is still good |
| 04:53.54 | Adys | unclean opengl shutdown crashes X =( |
| 04:53.58 | Adys | i feel like im using an ati |
| 04:54.02 | kd3 | eesh |
| 04:54.03 | Arrowmaster | im still using the 195 line |
| 04:54.08 | Amarande | Adys: I use QuestGuru because I prefer its quest tracker to the Blizzard one |
| 04:54.22 | Amarande | also, most of my core stuff I NEED to use addons for if for only one reason |
| 04:54.31 | Amarande | specifically, the fact that most Blizzard addon widgets cannot be moved |
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| 04:55.53 | Adys | oh hey MentalPower |
| 04:55.58 | Adys | wanted to ask |
| 04:56.04 | MentalPower | yesh? |
| 04:56.13 | Adys | do you know how no-sell-price auction fees are calculated? |
| 04:56.29 | Adys | since 335 they cost like between 10c and 5s |
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| 04:56.52 | MentalPower | auction fees or deposit costs? |
| 04:57.02 | Adys | deposit cost, sorry |
| 04:57.17 | Kraps | "unhealthy" thats the word! |
| 04:58.44 | MentalPower | its a fixed amount, I don't have the code in front of me atm |
| 04:58.52 | MentalPower | rather fixed amount * length of auction |
| 04:59.11 | Adys | its not even increased by auction length |
| 04:59.20 | Adys | hm |
| 04:59.25 | Adys | could it be calculated through ilvl? |
| 05:00.18 | Kraps | kd3: whats "wrt" |
| 05:00.25 | Jerub | with respect to |
| 05:00.27 | Adys | with regards to |
| 05:00.28 | MentalPower | yo, Nechckn, where are you when we need you? :P |
| 05:01.12 | Thunder_Child | having a life? |
| 05:02.05 | Jamash | does anyone have a list of what glyphs are changing names? |
| 05:02.24 | Kraps | i have 258 drivers Adys |
| 05:02.30 | Jerub | i guess the days of treating glyphs like flasks |
| 05:02.32 | Adys | Jamash: i can create one for you if you cant find one |
| 05:02.39 | Jamash | neat |
| 05:02.39 | Jerub | are gone |
| 05:02.56 | Jerub | so arp gems are becoming crit gems? |
| 05:03.13 | Jerub | doesn't have the crit gem epic pattern yet... |
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| 05:04.08 | Jamash | found one at http://www.wowconfidential.com/professions/inscription/glyph-changes-in-cataclysm/ |
| 05:07.10 | Amarande | Jerub: ARP becomes crit in all cases, *except* if it's a gear item that already also has crit, in which case it becomes haste |
| 05:07.28 | Amarande | so arp gems all become crit gems, while, e.g., NES gives a haste proc (since it already has crit in addition to the arp proc right now) |
| 05:07.31 | Jerub | Amarande: okay, what happens to the epic pattern i have in my JC? :) |
| 05:07.41 | Amarande | Jerub: I'm *not* sure, I'll have to look at my JC tomorrow |
| 05:07.48 | Amarande | that was the one character of mine I never looked at on the PTR |
| 05:07.58 | Jerub | i'll find out myself tomorrow |
| 05:08.06 | Jerub | i only have the 3 epic gem recipes that anyone cares about |
| 05:08.09 | Jerub | solid, fractured and runed. |
| 05:08.12 | Amarande | Also, Attack Power and Spell Power still remain in a few cases |
| 05:08.24 | kd3 | SP on caster weapons only |
| 05:08.30 | Amarande | kd3: also socket bonuses and procs, from what I've seen |
| 05:08.41 | Amarande | and AP still remains as procs, definitely, and I think socket bonuses too |
| 05:09.32 | Amarande | e.g. http://cata.wowhead.com/item=49482 |
| 05:09.37 | Adys | Jamash: http://dpaste.com/256645/ |
| 05:09.37 | Adys | :p |
| 05:09.56 | Jamash | nice :D |
| 05:10.36 | Jamash | I'm making glyphs for my entire guild and I don't want to make ones that will end up charred or turning into the wrong thing |
| 05:11.01 | Adys | oh sorry, you want a list with charred glyphs too? |
| 05:11.02 | Fisker | my awesome levels are over 9000 |
| 05:11.24 | Jamash | couldn't hurt |
| 05:11.41 | Amarande | also http://cata.wowhead.com/item=50342 and http://cata.wowhead.com/item=50340 |
| 05:11.54 | Amarande | so yeah, it looks like spellpower and attack power procs are staying as is and not being converted to int or a specific str/agi stat |
| 05:12.05 | Adys | Jamash: http://dpaste.com/256647/ |
| 05:12.12 | Adys | oops |
| 05:12.13 | Thunder_Child | Fisker: you have more than 9000 awesome levels? nice |
| 05:12.26 | Thunder_Child | ~fail Adys |
| 05:12.26 | purl | Adys, you Fail! |
| 05:12.33 | Amarande | attack power especially, I think some people would cry bloody murder if AP procs were forced into one specific stat and thus making tons of DPS folks be alienated |
| 05:12.42 | Jamash | those are the same, Adys :P |
| 05:12.44 | Amarande | unless they did it like DMC:G and had it be based on your higher stat |
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| 05:12.57 | kd3 | which is why procs didn't get affected (there's a lot of them) |
| 05:13.00 | Thunder_Child | Jamash: hence the oops |
| 05:13.06 | Jamash | indeed |
| 05:13.17 | Amarande | kd3: what I find weird is that socket bonuses weren't changed |
| 05:13.24 | Amarande | like that Aurora, it's still Spell Power and wasn't made into Int |
| 05:13.25 | Fisker | i got my damn hat kd3 |
| 05:13.31 | kd3 | great, fisk-fisk |
| 05:13.58 | kd3 | ama; yeah, I don't get that either. I suspect it has something to do with the nebulous line about "socket bonuses being more powerful in cata" |
| 05:14.10 | Thunder_Child | thanks kd3, like that wasnt nausea inducing |
| 05:14.13 | Amarande | and it looks like executioner is crit |
| 05:14.15 | Amarande | kd3: it's about time |
| 05:14.22 | Kraps | Fisker: is it like 5 am where you live? |
| 05:14.23 | Amarande | in LK, socket bonuses usually were never good enough to go for |
| 05:14.31 | kd3 | huh? |
| 05:14.40 | Thunder_Child | "<kd3> great, fisk-fisk" |
| 05:14.41 | Amarande | in fact it usually gimped you to go for a socket bonus instead of simply using your build's cookie cutter gem |
| 05:14.50 | Amarande | kd3: example: blue sockets on DK gear |
| 05:14.55 | kd3 | not you ama |
| 05:15.03 | kd3 | tc; that's the first time you've seen me do that? |
| 05:15.06 | Fisker | no Kraps |
| 05:15.08 | Thunder_Child | kd3: yes |
| 05:15.11 | Fisker | it's 7am where i live |
| 05:15.14 | kd3 | I've been calling him fisk-fisk for over a year now >.> |
| 05:15.21 | Thunder_Child | ....why? |
| 05:15.32 | Fisker | no way kd3 |
| 05:15.51 | kd3 | I found it humorous when I first did it, it's kinda stuck since |
| 05:15.55 | Adys | Jamash: http://dpaste.com/256647/ |
| 05:16.08 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: its a term of endearment |
| 05:16.08 | Jamash | sweet, thanks |
| 05:16.18 | kd3 | kraps, wha? |
| 05:16.20 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: hence the nausea |
| 05:16.41 | Kraps | kd3: did i just blow your mind? |
| 05:16.52 | kd3 | no, not really |
| 05:17.05 | kd3 | also it's 25:17 and I should be crashing off the caffeine shortly |
| 05:17.47 | Kraps | 25? |
| 05:18.04 | Arrowmaster | 1:17 |
| 05:18.11 | kd3 | ^ |
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| 05:18.14 | Kraps | your planet has more than 26 hours? |
| 05:18.14 | Fisker | i will sneeze you in the face kd3 |
| 05:18.31 | Thunder_Child | you mean 25? |
| 05:19.23 | Kraps | see, the 24hr clock goes to 23:59, so 25 is 2 more hours |
| 05:19.24 | kd3 | no, I saw people referring to late-night TV program air times like that and liked it |
| 05:19.25 | Arrowmaster | Kraps: its a japan thing, dont know why kd3 is using it though, but i know japan tv schudules say oct 11 25:30 instead of oct 12 1:30 |
| 05:19.36 | Kraps | odd |
| 05:19.56 | Fisker | i wonder what you will do about it kd3 |
| 05:20.12 | kd3 | sure it's 1:19, but does it feel like a new day? not til I wake up tomorrow morning |
| 05:20.49 | Kraps | for me, new day starts at about 4 am |
| 05:20.51 | kd3 | grr, later today* |
| 05:21.47 | Fisker | grr kd3 |
| 05:22.03 | Fisker | for free |
| 05:23.04 | Amarande | indeed, some odd looking constructions surprisingly get accepted |
| 05:23.23 | Amarande | for instance, 1.1.1.256 will be accepted as an IP by a lot of software |
| 05:23.42 | Fisker | explain yourself Amarande |
| 05:23.51 | Amarande | Fisker: it's the same as 1.1.2.0, basically |
| 05:24.11 | Amarande | only if the FIRST number is >255 does it get out and out rejected |
| 05:24.24 | Amarande | remember that IPs are actually treated as int32's internally |
| 05:26.25 | Arrowmaster | thats actually a flaw in most browsers |
| 05:26.28 | kd3 | and with this round of 'kd3's crazy take on time' concluded, g'night |
| 05:26.46 | Amarande | In fact, you can actually type out an IP as a single long number rather than the four bytes |
| 05:26.58 | Arrowmaster | they accept addresses in the full int version and it gets around browser based filtering |
| 05:27.35 | Arrowmaster | when the url spec does not allow anything except the dotted version for http |
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| 05:28.59 | Kraps | http://kotaku.com/5661492/is-blizzard-banning-starcraft-ii-players-for-cheating-in-singleplayer |
| 05:29.41 | Fisker | old |
| 05:29.54 | Fisker | but yeah it's fucked up |
| 05:30.00 | Amarande | hmm |
| 05:30.10 | Jamash | wart? |
| 05:30.20 | Amarande | I'm supposing one should NOT install any Curse updates tonight |
| 05:30.32 | Amarande | but wait till *after* the patch, because X.0.1 patches wipe your interface directory |
| 05:30.34 | Jamash | doesn't sc2 have cheat codes? |
| 05:30.34 | Fisker | do it! |
| 05:32.28 | Fisker | trainer has more features than cheats does |
| 05:32.37 | Fisker | and it took a while before people found those cheats anyway |
| 05:32.43 | Amarande | Kraps: wonder how long before people get banned for using single player Diablo 2 mods, now that everything's battle.net |
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| 05:33.44 | Fisker | Diablo 3 won't support modding that well anyway |
| 05:33.46 | angayelle | morning people |
| 05:34.04 | Amarande | and Diablo 2's not set up for things like Achievements or even to tell Blizzard when you're playing SP |
| 05:34.39 | Fisker | i'm ashamed if those 5000 players they banned included people who cheated in Singleplayer though |
| 05:34.45 | angayelle | is there a way to get the damage value of a dot without reading the combat log ? so unitaura or unitdebuff don't return that |
| 05:34.57 | Fisker | They still haven't catched the guy i saw maphacking |
| 05:35.11 | Amarande | Fisker, apparently they care more about the integrity of the Gamer Score and Achievement type stuff than they do about people being able to enjoy what they bought |
| 05:35.14 | Amarande | this is not a good thing |
| 05:35.20 | Fisker | D: |
| 05:35.29 | Amarande | what's the most important thing in business? |
| 05:35.33 | Amarande | the customer. |
| 05:35.38 | Amarande | why is the customer the most important thing in business? |
| 05:35.45 | Amarande | because without the customer, you are unable to continue doing business. |
| 05:35.52 | Fisker | I remember getting banned 24 hour for abusing that halloween trick or treat exploit for the masks |
| 05:36.03 | Amarande | I don't remember there being an exploit for that? |
| 05:36.12 | Fisker | Their argument was that i was exploiting it so i could get the pet and the helm |
| 05:36.15 | Fisker | I already had those |
| 05:36.17 | nebula | you should trade multiple times a second |
| 05:36.21 | Fisker | they had no problem removing them though |
| 05:36.26 | nebula | @amarande |
| 05:36.36 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: SC2 has cheat codes though, theres no reason to use a trainer unless you are wanting to get those achievements easy |
| 05:36.42 | Fisker | the exploit was if you had an addon accept the trick or treat you could get multiple bags a try |
| 05:37.04 | nebula | ah, i just remember someone making a macro to spam complete it |
| 05:37.09 | Fisker | got banned for 24 hours, didn't get anything but the progress on my mask achievement |
| 05:37.12 | nebula | and they got banned, aswell |
| 05:37.22 | Fisker | Telling them that i already had the items they accused me of exploiting it for went nowhere |
| 05:37.44 | Fisker | The bugs were there for the other events where i did it myself to check if they would bother this time |
| 05:37.47 | Fisker | they didn't |
| 05:38.06 | Fisker | Then like a couple of months ago there was this huge rocket launcher exploit |
| 05:38.13 | Arrowmaster | i remember the christmas one being bugged too |
| 05:38.21 | Fisker | Because the rocket launchers were in the game world and solid |
| 05:38.34 | Fisker | So some people thought it would be funny to trap people in building and such |
| 05:38.36 | Amarande | anyway. how did everything end up having to revolve around the integrity of the online features to the sometimes utter expense of the single player experience? |
| 05:38.43 | Fisker | massive amounts of player griefing |
| 05:38.51 | Fisker | their punishment? 3 hours banned |
| 05:38.52 | Fisker | lol'd. |
| 05:38.54 | Arrowmaster | you can change targets and /kiss the npcs before the buff came on you |
| 05:39.17 | Amarande | unless Blizzard is still stinging from the first two Diablo's and wants to prove to the world that Battle.net *can* be a secure gaming environment |
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| 05:39.55 | Amarande | we'll remember how B.net got started, that was the first Diablo, where there was *no* security and *everyone* cheated |
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| 05:40.24 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: probably, but still if you use any trainer in a game that is online you risk a ban and SC2 is always online unless you pick the offline mode |
| 05:40.25 | Amarande | then there was D2, where they tried to make the ostensibly secure "closed realm" and became a security laughingstock as no matter what they tried to do dupes and bots infested the whole environment |
| 05:40.40 | Arrowmaster | D1 was all clientside |
| 05:40.44 | Amarande | then there was WC3, where they were desperate to keep ladder exploits in check |
| 05:41.01 | Amarande | yeah, they're probably stinging and *really* wanting to prove they can do a game on bnet without screwing up security |
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| 05:41.20 | Arrowmaster | what was wrong with SC1? |
| 05:41.38 | Amarande | Arrowmaster: The fact that it's most remembered now for the terms "zerg rush" and "pwn"? :) |
| 05:41.51 | Amarande | but that one probably had ladder exploits too, WC3 certainly did |
| 05:42.53 | Amarande | probably also explains their bitchiness about "win trading" in the arena in WoW, too, since that's probably reminding them wholesale of their history of being victimized by ladder exploitation |
| 05:43.36 | Amarande | maybe it needs to just be accepted as a fact that whenever you have a competitive ladder, someone's always going to resort to something less than honorable to get ahead :S |
| 05:44.08 | Arrowmaster | i think you mean any sort of competition |
| 05:44.29 | Amarande | Yeah pretty much. |
| 05:45.24 | Amarande | btw, is D2 still infested with dupes and bots? |
| 05:45.40 | Arrowmaster | dupes, probably but i doubt it on the bots |
| 05:45.56 | Amarande | can you trade for high runes yet without being likely to get counterfeits? |
| 05:45.57 | Arrowmaster | or at least not bots that could be run by anybody |
| 05:46.16 | Xyphoid | people are definitely botting on d2 |
| 05:46.21 | Adys | Jerub, ping |
| 05:46.32 | Amarande | personally I always considered the dupes worse, anyway |
| 05:46.43 | Arrowmaster | a friend in highschool had 5 computers botting on d2 during the day while we were in school |
| 05:46.52 | Amarande | at least the stuff bots dredged up wasn't counterfeit and apt to vanish on you weeks after you traded for it |
| 05:47.04 | Amarande | and bots didn't cause lag and disconnects the way duping did |
| 05:47.57 | Jerub | Adys, pong |
| 05:48.03 | Amarande | from what I was able to glean about duping it apparently directly requires DoS attacks on the game servers |
| 05:48.12 | Amarande | which means if you happen to be IN a game on that same server at the time, you get dumped |
| 05:48.36 | Amarande | often rolled back to the tune of losing several items and levels, and often getting Failed To Join Game for an hour or two if you try to keep playing that character |
| 05:48.55 | Adys | Jerub: http://dpaste.com/256660/ |
| 05:49.05 | Adys | Jerub: how do I access A.something from a B instance? |
| 05:49.12 | Amarande | I'm trying to remember if I lost anything particularly significant that way |
| 05:49.17 | Amarande | I probably did, but I don't remember what |
| 05:49.25 | Jerub | sec. |
| 05:49.28 | Jerub | fixing browser |
| 05:49.51 | Jerub | Adys: A.something |
| 05:50.05 | Adys | Jerub: knowing I cant know what the parent class is |
| 05:50.11 | Adys | (this is subclassed to hell) |
| 05:50.11 | Jamash | anyone got a list of JP and honor point costs for stuff in 4.0.1 |
| 05:50.36 | Jerub | Adys: you can't. this isn't a useful construction usually anyway |
| 05:50.45 | Jerub | classes within classes are only really useful for stupid metaclass hacks. |
| 05:51.02 | Jerub | at which point you have more visibility of whose class is what anyway |
| 05:51.09 | Adys | Jerub: ok, so this is my code: http://dpaste.com/256661/ |
| 05:51.18 | Adys | it doesnt work, Im moving stuff around |
| 05:51.26 | Adys | the class structure is pretty much how I'd like it to be |
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| 05:51.49 | Adys | but SigrieItem.Model I need to access from SigrieItem.Handler most likely |
| 05:51.51 | Amarande | so ... is it worth it to freeze at 70 and finish Outland Dungeon Hero before continuing on to 80, now that you can get JPs at 70? |
| 05:52.00 | Adys | well |
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| 05:52.08 | Adys | SigrieHandler needs to access the model |
| 05:52.38 | Amarande | oh, and have they made the satchel of useful goods actually contain USEFUL goods in the 60s? |
| 05:52.53 | Adys | Jerub: actually, can I just do class handler(): Model = SigrieItem.Model ? |
| 05:53.15 | Jerub | Adys: there's no difference between this and... http://dpaste.com/256665/ |
| 05:53.57 | Adys | Jerub: thats what Im moving away from; I'm going to have around 30 models, this will lead to 60 classes |
| 05:54.04 | Adys | if i can half that, it'll help |
| 05:54.21 | Adys | especially if I can avoid having to figure out the handler name every time |
| 05:54.48 | Fisker | dresses up in "boys go wild"-underwear |
| 05:54.57 | Fisker | hello thar boys |
| 05:55.47 | Adys | Jerub: do you think it's worth it? |
| 05:56.03 | Jerub | Adys: why not pass the outer class instance to the Handler when you create it in its __init__ |
| 05:57.03 | Adys | Jerub: hm, I suppose |
| 05:57.24 | angayelle | i've been reading closely info about COMBAT_LOG and there is no way i could get the same info as when i read a dot tooltip when hovering over a dot on my target, such as duration and damage alltogether |
| 05:57.50 | angayelle | is this info locked somewhere by blizz ? |
| 05:58.39 | Adys | angayelle: im not sure what you're asking, but I likely have the answer |
| 05:58.45 | Adys | if you can clear that up |
| 05:58.49 | Jerub | Adys: it's the actually correct way to do it |
| 05:59.01 | Adys | Jerub: what would that look like? |
| 05:59.24 | Adys | (as in, is that better than doing class Handler(SigrieHandler): cls = SigrieItem |
| 05:59.31 | angayelle | iwant to predict ignite damage, so far combat log only give the info of past damage |
| 06:00.02 | Adys | angayelle: that's not available |
| 06:00.15 | Adys | for multiple implementation reasons |
| 06:00.20 | angayelle | and ignite change all the time, new crit add in, old crit fade out, tha tooltip give a info but can't seem to retrieve it from anywhere |
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| 06:00.42 | Adys | it's locked serverside, and the server, every tick, divides the dmg by the amount of ticks and sends it as a damage event |
| 06:01.09 | angayelle | awww to bad we can't query the server for this |
| 06:01.29 | Jerub | Adys: uh. it means: def whatever(self): myhandler = self.Handler(self) |
| 06:01.33 | Fisker | dun dun dun |
| 06:01.50 | Adys | Jerub: I mean: http://dpaste.com/256668/ |
| 06:02.02 | Jerub | that's impossible. |
| 06:02.18 | Adys | really? |
| 06:02.31 | Adys | oh thats right |
| 06:02.31 | Jerub | Handler is made and put into a namespace which is passed as an argument to something that will eventually put SigrieItem into the namespace |
| 06:02.34 | Adys | yeah i see |
| 06:04.37 | Adys | Jerub: like this? http://dpaste.com/256672/ |
| 06:05.08 | Jerub | no.. |
| 06:05.21 | Jerub | where is Handler created? |
| 06:05.21 | Adys | then I'm not sure what you mean |
| 06:05.27 | Adys | it's not instanced by me |
| 06:05.38 | Adys | i pass the class to the server and it takes care of it |
| 06:05.40 | Jerub | ah, that's why this is problematic |
| 06:05.49 | Jerub | what sort of server is this? |
| 06:05.52 | Adys | tornado |
| 06:06.15 | Jerub | sec, checking out its source |
| 06:06.38 | Jerub | chuckles are outdated tar flags on its front page |
| 06:06.58 | Adys | outdated? |
| 06:08.01 | Jerub | it's providing the 'z' flag |
| 06:08.04 | Jerub | that's optional now |
| 06:08.07 | Adys | ah |
| 06:08.08 | Adys | ya |
| 06:08.14 | Adys | i love tar xf |
| 06:08.39 | Amarande | tar xzvf? |
| 06:08.46 | Fisker | why would you be verbose? |
| 06:08.47 | Jerub | Amarande: drop the 'z' |
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| 06:08.54 | Adys | extract unzip verbose file |
| 06:09.11 | Fisker | moar like drop the v Jerub |
| 06:09.13 | Jerub | you don't have to pay attention to .bz2 or .gz being j or z, because tar automatically uses the right one now |
| 06:09.49 | Jerub | Adys: wait, what. |
| 06:09.54 | Adys | whatwhat? |
| 06:09.56 | Jerub | Adys: where does model get used? |
| 06:10.03 | Adys | by me only |
| 06:10.10 | Jerub | so when does model create Handler? |
| 06:10.16 | Adys | it doesnt |
| 06:10.23 | Adys | but I pass Model.Handler to my urls |
| 06:10.27 | Adys | urls = ( |
| 06:10.27 | Adys | (r"/", HomeHandler), |
| 06:10.27 | Adys | (r"/item/([0-9]+)", SigrieItem.Handler), |
| 06:10.27 | Adys | ) |
| 06:10.27 | Jerub | ah hah |
| 06:10.44 | Fisker | handles Jerub |
| 06:10.50 | Adys | it really is just organization, its not important per se |
| 06:11.02 | Adys | but i dont like having two related classes like this |
| 06:11.13 | Jerub | (r"/", SigrieItem.Handler, {'parent':SigrieItem}), |
| 06:12.12 | Jerub | Adys: that's how you pass arbitary arguments to handlers ;) |
| 06:12.20 | Adys | that sets Handler.parent automatically or do i need to do that in init? |
| 06:12.35 | Jerub | you have to have an __init__ that grabs it |
| 06:12.40 | Adys | aight |
| 06:12.41 | Adys | thanks a lot |
| 06:13.00 | Jerub | np |
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| 06:34.15 | Adys | btw Jerub |
| 06:34.18 | Adys | tornado is really great |
| 06:34.38 | Amarande | did maintenance start yet? |
| 06:34.47 | Cairenn | no, not yet |
| 06:34.48 | Adys | prolly, it starts at midnight |
| 06:34.57 | Cairenn | oh, duh, yeah |
| 06:35.08 | Adys | hey Cairenn |
| 06:35.16 | Adys | i dont even live in the US and i get the time more correctly than you. |
| 06:35.19 | Cairenn | it's still just shy 1/2 hr until midnight out there |
| 06:35.25 | Cairenn | no, you got it wrong, actually :p |
| 06:35.30 | Cairenn | it's 11:35pm |
| 06:35.32 | Adys | details |
| 06:35.40 | Adys | rounded up thats midnight. |
| 06:35.46 | Cairenn | lol |
| 06:51.00 | Galvin | does omen work on 4.0? |
| 06:54.07 | angayelle | it should |
| 06:54.21 | Galvin | ok |
| 06:54.31 | angayelle | xinhuan said that |
| 06:55.09 | Xinhuan | i haven't any errors or anyonehaving errors |
| 06:55.40 | angayelle | as strange as it sounds... |
| 06:56.26 | Xinhuan | so i just intend to update 2 digits in the toc |
| 06:56.44 | ccox | ... and the servers go down |
| 06:56.49 | Xinhuan | and maybe change a word "Blackrock" to "Barthilas" |
| 06:56.55 | Xinhuan | since i moved servers yesterday |
| 06:57.14 | Sargeras | hugs Cairenn |
| 06:57.16 | Fisker | yo dogs |
| 06:59.35 | Cairenn | huggles Sargeras |
| 06:59.41 | Cairenn | looking forward to real ones! |
| 07:01.37 | Yssaril | Cairenn: you know anyone at curse that can fix the wowace packager (i kinda broke it) |
| 07:01.50 | Yssaril | that is awake at this time of night |
| 07:02.00 | Antiarc | try #curseforge |
| 07:02.01 | Cairenn | nope, not really, sorry |
| 07:02.05 | Cairenn | ^^ that |
| 07:02.49 | Yssaril | thanks :) |
| 07:03.00 | Jamash | US REALMS DOWN |
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| 07:03.12 | zenzio | OH NOES! |
| 07:03.22 | Cairenn | I mean, some of them are in here, but whether they are awake or not ... /shrug |
| 07:03.36 | Jamash | IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD of warcraft OMG |
| 07:03.37 | pnorman | 4.0, new ram, and I send off my old HD for RMA tomorrow. lots to do |
| 07:03.37 | Cairenn | pings Kaelten, ckk, Kody-, nicoli_s |
| 07:04.34 | cbreak_work | are there any good free/opensource matlab clones? |
| 07:05.07 | pnorman | I ran across an open source CAS when doing some research, but can't remember the name |
| 07:06.29 | cbreak_work | I am currently downloading Octave, but I am not sure if it's what I need |
| 07:06.46 | pnorman | That's what I was thinking of. Never used it |
| 07:08.16 | pnorman | What do you need to do? |
| 07:08.37 | pnorman | A CAS for pure math is quite different then a CAS you'd use for results of physics experiments sometimes |
| 07:12.58 | krka | CAS? |
| 07:13.05 | pnorman | Computer algebra system |
| 07:13.09 | krka | i see |
| 07:13.12 | krka | sort of like Maple? |
| 07:13.22 | pnorman | Maple is a CAS |
| 07:13.30 | krka | that's what i meant |
| 07:13.32 | pnorman | http://amca01.wordpress.com/2010/01/08/symbolic-integration-with-an-open-source-cas/ might help |
| 07:13.57 | cbreak_work | I mainly want to plot things, for visualisation |
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| 07:14.13 | cbreak_work | octave comes with gnuplot apparently, but didn't get it to work on os x yet |
| 07:14.14 | pnorman | Try gnuplot |
| 07:14.34 | Maldivia | jamash, dont worry, you probably have most of the day to patch up :) |
| 07:14.38 | pnorman | OS X? Ya, gnuplot is the best option |
| 07:15.04 | pnorman | I was able to get it working with just a couple hours work |
| 07:16.26 | Xinhuan | "the login server is currently busy. please try again later." |
| 07:16.29 | Xinhuan | wat the heck |
| 07:16.50 | pnorman | http://lee-phillips.org/info/Macintosh/gnuplot.html has some links. I built gnuplot from source and used aquaterm |
| 07:17.15 | Maldivia | it's past midnight pst, maintenance time xinhuan |
| 07:17.24 | Xinhuan | i'm trying to log on beta |
| 07:17.25 | Xinhuan | not live |
| 07:17.43 | pnorman | so is everyone else I bet |
| 07:18.22 | Maldivia | I woulsn't be surprised if sc had issues as well |
| 07:18.52 | Xinhuan | well i just want to update some addons |
| 07:20.45 | nebula | beta login servers are getting hammered ;[ |
| 07:22.04 | Maldivia | patch server still reads 12911 :/ |
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| 07:23.39 | pnorman | cbreak_work: I'd say the best bet is to build gnuplot from source, verify it works in terms of loading up, then get an appropriate terminal that will easily display the results. |
| 07:24.04 | pnorman | The standard workflow in the physics department is data -> matlab -> gnuplot, with the matlab step omitted if not needed |
| 07:25.05 | cbreak_work | sounds good |
| 07:25.20 | pnorman | I do recall installing Octave to get *something* needed |
| 07:25.34 | pnorman | This, believe it or not, is actually related to my addon |
| 07:26.28 | pnorman | gnuplot has a learning curve of course, but it's no worse then any of the other packages |
| 07:29.51 | zenzio | can you plot the learning curve in gnuplot? |
| 07:30.06 | pnorman | Sure |
| 07:38.21 | Sixen | Proabbly not for a few hours |
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| 07:43.52 | zenzio | "The new Cataclysm Launcher allows you to stream game data while you play." - does this use of the word "allow" mean you have a choice? |
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| 07:47.00 | Jamash | yes |
| 07:47.12 | Jamash | you have the choice to let it finish downloading before you start playing |
| 07:47.25 | zenzio | cheers |
| 07:48.13 | Maldivia | you can click play ehen launcher is yellow, or you can wait for green or 100% |
| 07:48.39 | Jamash | time for some zzs |
| 07:48.55 | zenzio | you leave my zzs alone |
| 07:49.08 | Maldivia | for a clean install, that means you can start playing with perhaps 1gb downloaded instead of 16 |
| 07:49.17 | NeoTron | it's actually pretty awesome |
| 07:49.29 | NeoTron | it works really well, at least with a fios connection |
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| 07:50.04 | Maldivia | instances have a bit longer load time the first time |
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| 07:50.35 | zenzio | possibly, but previous experience with "live" streaming has made me dislike them on principle |
| 07:51.04 | NeoTron | only weird thing is that it sometimes streams despite supposedly being done |
| 07:51.07 | Maldivia | guild wars ? |
| 07:51.28 | zenzio | Maldivia: mostly, but the odd other also |
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| 07:51.37 | Maldivia | it shows as streaming if it needs to do memory patching |
| 07:52.02 | Maldivia | or well, that what it looks like |
| 07:56.22 | unfo- | what the hell happened to resi? |
| 07:56.23 | unfo- | # Resilience no longer reduces the chance a player will be critically hit by an opponent. |
| 07:56.47 | unfo- | what will it do now? |
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| 07:58.17 | Maldivia | unfo, reduce damage taken from players |
| 07:58.27 | unfo- | ah |
| 07:58.50 | unfo- | resi = armor that also affects spell dmg? |
| 07:59.18 | Maldivia | except it scales lineary |
| 07:59.41 | unfo- | without dim. returns? cool! |
| 08:00.18 | Maldivia | actuslly, it probably has a cap |
| 08:00.40 | Fisker | hmm |
| 08:00.47 | Fisker | isn't the cross-battlegroup changes in 4.0.1? |
| 08:01.23 | Maldivia | they have been kind of silent about that for a while |
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| 08:03.02 | Maldivia | personally, I dont see why any rating sjould have dim return, you sacrifice other stats for it |
| 08:03.29 | unfo- | also not having dim. returns can create interesting results :) |
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| 08:07.24 | Maldivia | Blizzard controls the items, so they can 100% control how much any given player can have of any stat |
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| 08:14.31 | Wobin | argh |
| 08:14.35 | Wobin | I have 185 photos of lions |
| 08:14.49 | Wobin | I don't know if I want to cut any down =P |
| 08:15.08 | Maldivia | storage is cheap |
| 08:15.21 | zenzio | why would you? |
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| 08:15.41 | zenzio | or more to the point... why lions? Tigers > lions |
| 08:15.47 | Wobin | they're so goddamn fuzzy |
| 08:15.53 | Wobin | well |
| 08:15.58 | Wobin | I have to put them up on Flickr |
| 08:16.17 | Wobin | and I think an album of almost 200 photos might be lion overload |
| 08:16.30 | Maldivia | zenzio: agree, Tigger > Simba |
| 08:16.35 | industrial | black panthers ftw |
| 08:16.44 | industrial | (the non human kind) |
| 08:16.45 | zenzio | the political movement? |
| 08:17.13 | Maldivia | Wobin: why, I've seen albums of larger size, of weirder stuff |
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| 08:18.13 | industrial | Rile 34b |
| 08:18.15 | Wobin | true |
| 08:18.20 | industrial | shit, it's fisker |
| 08:18.25 | Wobin | I'm doing some post processing |
| 08:18.30 | Wobin | and can't stop going 'squee' |
| 08:20.04 | zenzio | are these grown lions or baby lions? |
| 08:20.19 | Wobin | baby lions =) |
| 08:20.31 | zenzio | those are pretty cute |
| 08:20.31 | Wobin | well |
| 08:20.36 | Wobin | relatively 'baby' |
| 08:21.17 | zenzio | http://celebs.icanhascheezburger.com/2010/10/11/celebrity-pictures-invisible-kirk/ |
| 08:22.21 | zenzio | I was happy to see the red pandas at the zoo the other day, with their cub - they tend to be pretty shy |
| 08:25.16 | Wobin | zenzio: http://screencast.com/t/lplNvoMsVnfD |
| 08:26.02 | zenzio | that's a pretty good picture |
| 08:26.25 | jnwhiteh | Anyone know if there is an event I can use when one of my party/raid members goes into combat? |
| 08:27.21 | Wobin | zenzio: I was about three feet from him |
| 08:27.25 | Maldivia | jnwhiteh: if it's the first, the "unit has aggro" event -- for later in fight, don't know? |
| 08:27.44 | jnwhiteh | Maldivia: is there a unit has aggro event? |
| 08:27.50 | Wobin | do you even get that event if you're not targetting the boss? |
| 08:27.55 | jnwhiteh | because you don't get threat information until YOU are involved in combat |
| 08:27.58 | Maldivia | the event that fires to determine the border color on the unit frames |
| 08:28.05 | jnwhiteh | that doesn't ahppen until you are in combat |
| 08:28.10 | Maldivia | ohh, baah |
| 08:28.12 | jnwhiteh | you need to be on the mob's threat list to even get those |
| 08:28.20 | zenzio | Wobin: inside the pen? |
| 08:28.33 | Wobin | zenzio: http://www.lionencounter.com/pages/visit_livingstone.html |
| 08:29.15 | zenzio | hm, that sounds fun |
| 08:29.31 | Wobin | well worth it, imo |
| 08:30.46 | Wobin | hm, so at what point do we start background downloading 4.0.1? |
| 08:31.17 | Wobin | cause I only have 4.0.0.1 predownloaded |
| 08:31.42 | Xyphoid | there's a good blue post about that |
| 08:32.09 | Maldivia | Wobin: you have the 4gb downloaded? |
| 08:32.23 | Wobin | I think so |
| 08:32.28 | Wobin | *checks* yes |
| 08:32.37 | Maldivia | then you should have the most |
| 08:32.44 | Wobin | good enough =) |
| 08:32.57 | Maldivia | might be missing 2-300 mb or so, judging from PTR data |
| 08:33.05 | Xyphoid | just trying it find it, it mentioned that there was 100mb of new launcher, a 1hr or so patch process, then 500mb or so to stream |
| 08:33.11 | Xyphoid | on top of the 4gb |
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| 08:33.31 | Reiser | i didn't kill my wife |
| 08:33.33 | Xyphoid | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=27187849287&sid=1 |
| 08:34.45 | Reiser | can anyone look up what happened to my poor fisker? |
| 08:34.47 | Wobin | awesome, thank you Xyphoid |
| 08:34.58 | Maldivia | Xyphoid: that was actually quite a nice post from Blizzard :P |
| 08:34.58 | Wobin | [19:25:20] <-- Fisker (n_a@62.61.142.209.generic-hostname.arrownet.dk) has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) |
| 08:35.02 | Reiser | that sucks |
| 08:35.03 | Xyphoid | yeah, i was impressed |
| 08:35.03 | Reiser | :( |
| 08:35.10 | Xyphoid | answered every question i had in one go |
| 08:35.28 | Xyphoid | (i have to deal with daily bandwidth caps so planning for it is tricky) |
| 08:35.43 | zenzio | tsk, now we have red data, yellow data and green data... when I was young we only had monochrome data |
| 08:35.56 | Xyphoid | so how hilarious is playing before the download is complete? |
| 08:36.06 | Maldivia | it works really well |
| 08:36.13 | Poorfisker | well on the beta you'd be missing water usually |
| 08:36.21 | Poorfisker | but other than that you would just see some low res textures |
| 08:36.34 | Poorfisker | The very first build they deployed it in i was in dalaran though |
| 08:36.40 | Maldivia | and the occational blue invisible wall |
| 08:36.42 | Poorfisker | and some patches of thin air were solid, but others not |
| 08:36.46 | Poorfisker | sure they fixed that by now |
| 08:37.35 | Maldivia | Xyphoid: when playing in streaming mode, anything you don't have the models/textures for, that have collision, will show up as semi transparent blue walls |
| 08:37.50 | Xyphoid | so all the collision data is always tehre then? |
| 08:38.00 | Maldivia | seems so |
| 08:38.28 | Poorfisker | btw they're bit silly using "Mb/s" i don't trust them enough to be sure if they mean megabits or megabytes :P |
| 08:38.32 | Wobin | haha, this whole trip, I've been glad that yawning is contagious |
| 08:38.40 | Poorfisker | i'm guessing other users are similarly confused :P |
| 08:38.41 | zenzio | funky - so we effectively have a ghost dimension in WoW now (if we have a slow connection)? =D |
| 08:38.42 | Wobin | cause hippos and lions are so much cuter when yawning |
| 08:38.53 | Maldivia | Xyphoid: what is your daily cap ? |
| 08:39.17 | Xyphoid | 800mb unless i want to fiddle with the account |
| 08:39.20 | Xyphoid | i'm cheap |
| 08:39.25 | Maldivia | ouch |
| 08:39.31 | Maldivia | that's like... nothing |
| 08:39.44 | Xyphoid | NZ internet is connected by string |
| 08:39.45 | msoul | top of the morning lads |
| 08:39.46 | Maldivia | so no HD youtube for you |
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| 08:40.32 | Poorfisker | nevcairiel: |
| 08:40.50 | Xyphoid | how big do you reckon 4.0.3 will be |
| 08:41.19 | nev-mobile | Poofisker |
| 08:41.40 | Poorfisker | oh u nev-mobile |
| 08:41.41 | nev-mobile | See what i did there? |
| 08:41.43 | Poorfisker | got a new mobile? |
| 08:42.09 | nev-mobile | Nah, had this for nearly a year now |
| 08:42.10 | Poorfisker | Xyphoid probably not that big |
| 08:42.29 | Poorfisker | i think a lot of those 5GB are new azeroth terrain |
| 08:42.36 | Xyphoid | hopefully |
| 08:43.02 | nev-mobile | Who cares how big the patch is honestly. :D |
| 08:43.28 | nev-mobile | But yeah, this one is so huge that they probably put all data in |
| 08:43.30 | Wobin | nev-mobile: well, it's nice to know what to expect |
| 08:43.58 | Xyphoid | it is totally cool to see a streaming client, i was really impressed by free realms doing that |
| 08:44.00 | Poorfisker | we don't have them there bandwitdh caps |
| 08:44.18 | Poorfisker | well atleast not in most of our broadband products :P |
| 08:44.35 | Poorfisker | atleast the new launcher doesn't cap bandwitdh from Blizzard's servers |
| 08:44.51 | Xyphoid | it's more common to have a monthly cap, i just went for a daily one since i hate being capped for a week if you go nuts |
| 08:44.58 | nev-mobile | You have to get the data anyway, isnt really important if now or for 4.0.e |
| 08:45.26 | nev-mobile | e=3 |
| 08:45.27 | nev-mobile | Stupid phone |
| 08:46.18 | jnwhiteh | hrm, someone claims that Healbot does this, but I don't see a good way to detect when a member of your party/raid goes into combat |
| 08:46.26 | Maldivia | Xyphoid: a lot of those 5gb IS new azeroth, when you're done patching you'll see you have a n old-world.mpq and world.mpq :P |
| 08:46.32 | Xyphoid | sweet |
| 08:46.53 | Poorfisker | I FUCKING LOVE THIS GUY |
| 08:46.55 | Poorfisker | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/27189089773/why-are-the-servers-down-early/ |
| 08:47.04 | Poorfisker | Bashiok is my favorite love/hate guy |
| 08:47.15 | zenzio | lol |
| 08:47.27 | Maldivia | Xyphoid: you just need a rolling cap, so what you dont use today, you can use tomorrow :) |
| 08:47.34 | Poorfisker | almost a shame he locked the thread |
| 08:47.37 | msoul | I rarely read the forums these days.. soo much hate/trash-talk etc etc :/ |
| 08:47.41 | msoul | loads of bullies |
| 08:47.45 | Wobin | holy crap I love my camera: http://screencast.com/t/C2jbma48IA |
| 08:47.51 | nev-mobile | Jnwhiteh: alot of polling? I wouldn't put it past healbot to do it this ugly |
| 08:48.08 | jnwhiteh | does UPDATE_MOUSEOVER_UNIT fire when mousing over unit frames, or no |
| 08:48.43 | Wobin | I think it does |
| 08:48.50 | jnwhiteh | then I'll use that and poll |
| 08:48.51 | nev-mobile | Only 3d afaik |
| 08:48.53 | jnwhiteh | as an option |
| 08:49.00 | Wobin | in that you can get player info by mousing over the unitframes, can't you? |
| 08:49.16 | jnwhiteh | yesd |
| 08:49.22 | jnwhiteh | but i need to know if the _event_ fires |
| 08:49.36 | Wobin | indeed, I'm only guessing at this point =) |
| 08:49.40 | nev-mobile | Easy enough to test |
| 08:49.46 | Wobin | (if the servers were up) |
| 08:49.52 | nev-mobile | isnt close to any wow capable pc |
| 08:49.56 | nev-mobile | Eu is |
| 08:50.07 | nev-mobile | Beta probably too |
| 08:52.21 | Poorfisker | i wish my mobile could play wow |
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| 08:53.10 | msoul | Talk about being addicted :) |
| 08:53.30 | nev-mobile | Soon you can chat on it |
| 08:54.02 | msoul | wouldn't make any difference really.... you already chat with the close friends on vent/skype |
| 08:56.39 | msoul | I'm interested on the way profession works in cata |
| 08:57.02 | msoul | if a crafted item requires more material = more skilling up |
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| 08:59.18 | Wobin | msoul: you mean you could proc more than one level at a time? |
| 09:01.06 | Maldivia | jnwhiteh: it's not really consistant if the event fires or not I think... because then it would trigger the default mouse over tooltip to show as well, right, and usually it doesnt? |
| 09:01.17 | jnwhiteh | I don't think it does |
| 09:01.23 | Maldivia | ... but I have seen the tooltip appear when mousing over unit frames |
| 09:01.32 | Poorfisker | imma coming back |
| 09:02.08 | nev-mobile | Yay both fiskers are gone |
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| 09:03.07 | Fisker | bam |
| 09:03.09 | msoul | Wobin: I mean if crafting icc feet that requires higher material/more titanium or whatever it does take you from 450 to say 455 "for example" instead of getting you to 451 |
| 09:03.30 | Torhal | Fisker: I'mma teach your grandmother to suck eggs. |
| 09:03.54 | msoul | Wobin: I read that somewhere |
| 09:03.59 | jnwhiteh | could anyone log into beta/ptr for me? |
| 09:04.04 | jnwhiteh | if so which one and which race? |
| 09:04.26 | msoul | and crafting the same item won't gives you the same stat everytime... might give you crit/mastery second craft haste/mastery or whatever stat |
| 09:04.46 | msoul | jnwhiteh: I would if I was at home :/ |
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| 09:06.39 | Fisker | i find that offensive Torhal |
| 09:06.42 | Fisker | my grandmother is dead |
| 09:06.43 | Fisker | :( |
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| 09:09.34 | Torhal | I blame Canada, Fisker |
| 09:10.25 | Fisker | you wouldn't |
| 09:11.07 | Torhal | Why so politically correct, Fisker? |
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| 09:11.25 | Fisker | why not? |
| 09:11.31 | Fisker | I'm always politically correct |
| 09:12.04 | Torhal | So did you do the |
| 09:13.24 | nev-mobile | Btw is the silly gnome event ending with the patch, or still fighting? |
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| 09:19.29 | Maldivia | nev, isn't phase 2 starting with the patcj? |
| 09:20.17 | nev-mobile | There is a phase 2? |
| 09:20.41 | Maldivia | well, cataclysm pre events, phase 2 |
| 09:21.24 | nev-mobile | The elementals? |
| 09:22.05 | Maldivia | that's phase 3 |
| 09:22.20 | nev-mobile | Whats 2 then? |
| 09:22.54 | Maldivia | there's infiltration the cultist, assisting the earthen ring, elementals |
| 09:22.59 | Maldivia | isn't that the 3 phases |
| 09:23.06 | Maldivia | so guess only phase 1 will be starting now... |
| 09:23.36 | nev-mobile | I guess we'll known soon enough |
| 09:25.48 | Maldivia | yeah |
| 09:31.06 | jnwhiteh | hrm, so I can flag myself and being 'in-pseudo-combat' |
| 09:31.10 | jnwhiteh | but when should I clear it? |
| 09:35.10 | Fisker | ~wowalert |
| 09:35.10 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
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| 10:18.58 | Lothaer | hey anyone else able to get the patch to download yet? |
| 10:22.48 | Fisker | slaps Lothaer around a bit with a large trout |
| 10:22.53 | Jerub | Lothaer: uh, downloaded it weeks ago? |
| 10:28.02 | Lothaer | yeah i got 4.68GB download but nothing has unstalled |
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| 10:28.05 | Lothaer | installed* |
| 10:29.34 | Maldivia | Lothaer: the patch isn't out yet |
| 10:30.22 | Lothaer | isnt it supposed to be out tonight |
| 10:32.08 | Maldivia | yeah |
| 10:32.26 | Maldivia | but neither of the patch servers have been updated with the new files |
| 10:32.54 | Lothaer | ah kk, i hope the patch isnt too much bigger than 4.68GB |
| 10:33.07 | Maldivia | about 3-500 mb |
| 10:33.59 | Maldivia | old launcher still shows build 12340, and new launcher still shows 12911 |
| 10:34.13 | Maldivia | but we're only 3.5 hours into the 12 hour maintenance |
| 10:34.48 | zenzio | the excitement is killing me! |
| 10:35.09 | Xinhuan | if your bags are full and you have 2 stacks of cloth at 18 and 19 cloth, when u kill a monster and try to loot a stack of 3 cloth |
| 10:35.12 | Xinhuan | will it be lootable? |
| 10:37.09 | Lothaer | yes |
| 10:37.24 | Xinhuan | u sure? |
| 10:37.31 | Lothaer | im sure |
| 10:37.32 | msoul | Lothaer: 5gb for me it was iirc |
| 10:37.44 | Lothaer | if it dosnt |
| 10:38.06 | Lothaer | you can just drag one of the slots to the other this making a stack of 17 then retry looting |
| 10:38.25 | Lothaer | any MK fans here? |
| 10:38.32 | msoul | Mk? |
| 10:38.37 | msoul | Mortal kombat? |
| 10:38.40 | Lothaer | yeah |
| 10:39.20 | Lothaer | ive been waiting for the new MK site to open and when the kountdown hit 0 BAM server issues |
| 10:39.25 | Lothaer | still waiting for it to open |
| 10:40.42 | msoul | I just play WoW these days "when I can" |
| 10:40.49 | Lothaer | lol |
| 10:40.59 | Lothaer | the new MK is gonna be OMG sweet |
| 10:41.15 | msoul | I'm just excited about the new patch :) |
| 10:41.21 | msoul | one thing I'd like to be sure about |
| 10:41.30 | msoul | if you're a lock and have a 32 slots soulshards bag |
| 10:41.47 | msoul | it will be converted to a 22 bag or 24 |
| 10:42.46 | Fisker | slaps msoul around a bit with a large trout |
| 10:43.08 | Fisker | haste |
| 10:43.09 | Fisker | lol with me |
| 10:43.11 | msoul | :( |
| 10:43.16 | Fisker | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eben_Fiske_Ostby |
| 10:43.20 | Fisker | this is fucking funny |
| 10:43.30 | msoul | .Any shard bags used to store Soul Shards will automatically be converted into a bag of roughly equal value. |
| 10:43.40 | Wobin | there we go. Final day in Africa: http://www.flickr.com/photos/wobindwonderdog/sets/72157625022783615 |
| 10:43.48 | msoul | I should get 3 more soulshard bags :X |
| 10:44.56 | Fisker | msoul they have probably taken that into consideration |
| 10:45.23 | Jerub | Wobin: you're in africa |
| 10:45.24 | Jerub | ? |
| 10:45.47 | Wobin | I was! |
| 10:45.53 | Wobin | (My luggage still -is-) |
| 10:46.07 | Fisker | so that's why you didn't take pictures of kangaroos? |
| 10:46.12 | Wobin | yeah |
| 10:46.18 | Wobin | kangaroos are boring |
| 10:46.21 | Jerub | Wobin: fuck, man. |
| 10:46.38 | Lothaer | Kangaroos are awesome |
| 10:46.41 | msoul | Wants to crasft ther hog for the latest alt |
| 10:46.44 | Jerub | roos are boring |
| 10:46.49 | Lothaer | roo meat tastes good too |
| 10:46.59 | msoul | have roughly 21k gold |
| 10:47.07 | msoul | and hesitated about the hog :( |
| 10:47.18 | Fisker | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheila_Dikshit <-omg i lold |
| 10:48.07 | zenzio | I'm glad I don't like the hog |
| 10:48.14 | zenzio | no need to worry about the cost then |
| 10:48.19 | Lothaer | yeah fkn awesme name huh msoul |
| 10:48.37 | Wobin | msoul? Fisker |
| 10:49.07 | Lothaer | woops yeah fisker yall look alike :D |
| 10:49.08 | Lothaer | lol |
| 10:49.12 | msoul | Lothaer: hrm what name? |
| 10:49.13 | msoul | lost |
| 10:49.39 | msoul | Wobin: Hmm |
| 10:49.45 | Lothaer | i meant Fisker look at his like its the president on India |
| 10:49.51 | Lothaer | link* |
| 10:50.07 | msoul | too much info from everywhere I am getting |
| 10:50.11 | msoul | In class |
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| 10:50.35 | msoul | And I hate courses like economic optimization and the like :/ |
| 10:52.52 | angayelle | 34 shards bag will become 22 slots |
| 10:56.41 | msoul | angayelle: would be sweet if it works "get all soulshards" |
| 10:56.47 | msoul | and take 'em for my bankslots |
| 10:57.59 | angayelle | so far it has been reported like that from ptr |
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| 11:21.59 | Adys | Anyone who can log the beta and has a few minutes to waste? |
| 11:22.07 | Adys | any server, any char lvl 40+ |
| 11:22.28 | jnwhiteh | Adys: i can get on |
| 11:23.51 | jnwhiteh | tauren druid on Lost Isles |
| 11:24.34 | Adys | jnwhiteh: can you afford respeccing him? |
| 11:24.37 | Adys | resetting his spec that is |
| 11:24.45 | jnwhiteh | I have an empty spec |
| 11:24.47 | jnwhiteh | my secondary |
| 11:24.49 | Adys | great |
| 11:24.57 | Adys | can you pick something on wowtal.com |
| 11:25.11 | jnwhiteh | ok |
| 11:25.22 | Adys | when you're done, run this in the js console: talentlib.createPreviewTalentScript() |
| 11:25.36 | Adys | and tell me if you see any error |
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| 11:26.47 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 11:26.49 | jnwhiteh | something odd. |
| 11:26.58 | jnwhiteh | oh, wrong spec |
| 11:27.00 | jnwhiteh | one sec |
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| 11:27.28 | jnwhiteh | I have -1 unspent talent point |
| 11:27.37 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 11:27.43 | jnwhiteh | but seems to work other than that. |
| 11:27.48 | Adys | link? |
| 11:27.55 | Adys | or screenshot |
| 11:28.04 | jnwhiteh | that's not an error |
| 11:28.05 | jnwhiteh | wow just says that |
| 11:28.06 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 11:28.09 | jnwhiteh | because it worked too well |
| 11:28.12 | jnwhiteh | i assigned all talent points |
| 11:28.13 | jnwhiteh | i'm only level 70 |
| 11:28.36 | Adys | ah haha |
| 11:29.05 | Adys | well thats not worth wasting precious characters on |
| 11:29.07 | Adys | thanks a lot |
| 11:29.11 | jnwhiteh | okay |
| 11:29.15 | jnwhiteh | this spec did not work properly |
| 11:29.16 | jnwhiteh | http://wowtal.com/#k=-wkhdFop.a5o.druid. |
| 11:29.30 | jnwhiteh | no errors, but the spec does not match |
| 11:30.09 | jnwhiteh | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/9e982faeb5a62bcdf6895d9b67bd630a.png |
| 11:30.26 | Adys | likely the dependency bug im fixing right now |
| 11:30.27 | jnwhiteh | it also doesn't seem to work unless you click a talent trree. |
| 11:30.30 | Adys | Maldivia ^ |
| 11:30.36 | Adys | jnwhiteh: really? hm |
| 11:30.53 | Maldivia | hmm, it should auto do that, when I tested the macro it selected it just fine |
| 11:31.12 | jnwhiteh | it doesn't for me |
| 11:31.15 | jnwhiteh | not sure what to tell ya =) |
| 11:31.34 | jnwhiteh | I am doig this on my secondary spec |
| 11:31.35 | jnwhiteh | if tha tmatters. |
| 11:34.46 | Adys | jnwhiteh: try this |
| 11:34.47 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:35.09 | jnwhiteh | it changes my prispec |
| 11:35.22 | jnwhiteh | the icon at least |
| 11:35.26 | jnwhiteh | if i'm at the 'select tree' page |
| 11:35.26 | Adys | uh |
| 11:35.33 | jnwhiteh | and when i select feral and run it |
| 11:35.36 | jnwhiteh | it selects the talents. |
| 11:35.42 | jnwhiteh | but not all of them |
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| 11:38.30 | angayelle | it might even have selected priest talents for your drood |
| 11:40.31 | Adys | alright |
| 11:40.36 | Adys | anyone else able to test specs on the beta? |
| 11:40.46 | Maldivia | yea,h I can now :) |
| 11:41.12 | Adys | i enabled the button |
| 11:43.45 | jnwhiteh | Clique updated on wowinterface.com to the 4.x version |
| 11:43.59 | Maldivia | Adys: hmm, the dependency sorter still isn't working, it seems... |
| 11:44.02 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTo-wFfIXKo&feature=player_embedded is all kinds of awesome |
| 11:44.03 | Xinhuan | wowace zip packager is borked |
| 11:44.08 | Adys | :( |
| 11:44.16 | jnwhiteh | goodthing I'm not releasing on curse until tomorrow =) |
| 11:44.28 | jnwhiteh | CC will pull 4.x files for 3.x clients, so I'm not willing to play that game =) |
| 11:44.59 | Xinhuan | patcher is going to take 1 hour to patch now lol |
| 11:45.05 | angayelle | meh i only have 5 download on curse for my addon so far |
| 11:45.09 | Xinhuan | are eu servers down or tomorrow? |
| 11:45.20 | angayelle | tomorrow they should |
| 11:45.52 | Maldivia | Adys: hmm, just a sec |
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| 11:48.29 | Maldivia | Adys: ok, the problem is, there are hidden talents!? |
| 11:49.01 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:49.04 | nev-mobile | Jnwhiteh: honestly, anyone in the eu that doesnt know to keep their client closed before patch day by now... rather have it up and running for the us when they go back up. :) |
| 11:49.14 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 11:49.15 | jnwhiteh | I know |
| 11:49.17 | Maldivia | Adys: For arcane mage, there's a hidden talent that fucks up the order |
| 11:49.17 | jnwhiteh | i'll get around to it |
| 11:49.20 | jnwhiteh | i'm just more hesitatnt |
| 11:49.21 | Adys | oO |
| 11:49.23 | Adys | what where |
| 11:49.33 | Maldivia | Adys: /dump GetTalentInfo(1, 15) |
| 11:49.47 | Maldivia | Adys: non existing talent that takes position 15... |
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| 11:49.53 | nev-mobile | Can you spec in it? :p |
| 11:49.56 | Maldivia | yes |
| 11:50.06 | nev-mobile | Anything good? |
| 11:50.15 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/talents/?tab__name=Arcane |
| 11:50.17 | Adys | 11824 ? |
| 11:51.01 | Maldivia | can't get link or spell id, form the API methods I can remember |
| 11:51.05 | jnwhiteh | nev-mobile: remind me what the required format for release tags is for curseforge? |
| 11:51.20 | jnwhiteh | also, does @project-version@ get subbed in the .toc without any .pkgmeta directives? |
| 11:51.31 | nev-mobile | Just any number works, with dots dashes and whatnot |
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| 11:51.41 | jnwhiteh | don't need -release on the end? |
| 11:51.45 | Adys | Maldivia: ill do a new dump without talents with 0 ranks |
| 11:52.07 | nev-mobile | No, but that will force a release version, no matter what else is in there |
| 11:52.22 | Fisker | isn't /in something that Ace adds? |
| 11:52.26 | Maldivia | Adys: the problem is, that the client has that in its index |
| 11:52.35 | Adys | ah |
| 11:52.36 | Adys | >< |
| 11:52.41 | Maldivia | Adys: the string the JS generates doesn't take that into account |
| 11:52.52 | Fisker | tell me nev-mobile |
| 11:53.08 | Adys | Maldivia: well this sucks |
| 11:53.08 | nev-mobile | And yes jnwhiteh, those tags always work |
| 11:53.09 | Adys | hm |
| 11:53.17 | Fisker | i hate you nev-mobile :( |
| 11:54.50 | nev-mobile | Jnwhiteh: ^v?[0-9.-_]+$ |
| 11:55.01 | Maldivia | Adys: is the index stored in the dbc ? |
| 11:55.02 | nev-mobile | Thats the regx for release |
| 11:55.14 | Wobin | http://www.fukung.net/v/26596/8e2d1f4a907eeaed27118183a7077035..jpg |
| 11:55.22 | Adys | Maldivia: yeah |
| 11:55.24 | nev-mobile | Otherwise words like release or stable cause a release as well |
| 11:55.25 | Adys | with 0 ranks |
| 11:56.19 | Maldivia | Adys: so you have {tree, row, col, index} in the dbc ? |
| 11:57.27 | Adys | Maldivia: id have to check |
| 11:57.32 | Adys | if they're on the db, they're in the dbcs |
| 11:58.07 | Maldivia | Adys: also found the bug with wht it wasn't selecting the tree :) |
| 11:58.24 | Maldivia | Adys: SetPreviewPrimaryTalentTree(t[1],1) <-- 1=primary, 2=secondary :) |
| 11:59.25 | Maldivia | Adys: SetPreviewPrimaryTalentTree(t[1],GetActiveTalentGroup()) |
| 11:59.36 | Adys | mmh |
| 11:59.48 | Maldivia | then it select the tree correctly |
| 12:00.03 | Maldivia | and while it doens't open the talent frame, it's filled out when you open it :) |
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| 12:02.18 | Adys | Alright |
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| 12:02.40 | Adys | Im gonna go with this. ill fix the invisible-talents issue later |
| 12:02.49 | Adys | Teomyr: hi quoteman |
| 12:03.16 | Teomyr | Adys: ohai |
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| 12:03.24 | Adys | Teomyr: check gtalk! |
| 12:03.29 | Kalroth | why so adys |
| 12:03.40 | Adys | because so Kalroth |
| 12:03.57 | Wobin | haha awesome katamari obento http://www.fukung.net/v/12932/0d7be236bfff784c6a2b74a196ca3068.jpg |
| 12:04.26 | jnwhiteh | yeah I guess now I'm just waiting on the packager |
| 12:04.29 | jnwhiteh | everything else is updated |
| 12:04.30 | jnwhiteh | *shrug* |
| 12:04.59 | Maldivia | Adys: ok, found the bug with depends check |
| 12:05.06 | foxlit | is mildly amused by the buttonfacade skin naming conventions |
| 12:05.12 | Adys | Maldivia: yeah? |
| 12:05.37 | Maldivia | Adys: it should be "depends_" not "depend_" on the fields :) |
| 12:05.54 | Adys | ah |
| 12:05.59 | Maldivia | Adys: told you to double check those :) |
| 12:06.21 | Adys | i didnt write that calculator in the first place, my js dev did :p |
| 12:06.26 | Maldivia | heh |
| 12:06.33 | Adys | changes are up in the next 30 sec |
| 12:06.37 | jnwhiteh | like the new clique icon? |
| 12:06.37 | jnwhiteh | http://s.wowinterface.com/preview/pvw44357.png |
| 12:06.47 | jnwhiteh | I think he's super cute =) |
| 12:06.49 | Maldivia | cute! |
| 12:06.51 | jnwhiteh | and was the only entry to the contest |
| 12:06.54 | jnwhiteh | so I guess I'm lucky! |
| 12:07.00 | Wobin | nioce =) |
| 12:07.09 | Adys | jnwhiteh: d'awwwww |
| 12:07.22 | jnwhiteh | okay |
| 12:07.23 | Maldivia | time for cake! |
| 12:07.23 | jnwhiteh | shower |
| 12:07.24 | jnwhiteh | lab |
| 12:07.25 | jnwhiteh | then back |
| 12:08.04 | Kalroth | is that a horse |
| 12:09.51 | jnwhiteh | a mouse |
| 12:09.52 | jnwhiteh | perhaps |
| 12:09.52 | jnwhiteh | ... |
| 12:10.44 | foxlit | Tail is clearly a fuse, why have you booby-trapped an innocent animal? :) |
| 12:10.59 | jnwhiteh | because i like explosions =) |
| 12:11.40 | Wobin | You've been talking to Indy, haven't you? =P |
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| 14:18.17 | *** topic/#wowuidev is http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ || 4.0.x ToC: 40000 || #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting || Cata Beta UI download: http://bit.ly/cvplpG || Are you going to BlizzCon (Oct 22 & 23)? http://tinyurl.com/22kjfxu || 5th Annual UI Community Dinner http://fb.me/JFXVE9Zh | "you are hot Shirik" - Fisker |
| 14:18.23 | Adys | hi purl! |
| 14:18.25 | Adys | ~literal botsnack |
| 14:18.25 | purl | Adys: :) |
| 14:18.25 | amro | not anymoa |
| 14:18.30 | Adys | :\ |
| 14:19.47 | Maldivia | ~toc |
| 14:19.48 | purl | i heard toc is The current WoW Interface Number is: 30300 |
| 14:20.17 | Maldivia | no purl toc is The current WoW Interface Number is: 40000 |
| 14:20.30 | kd3 | whee; patch process started |
| 14:20.34 | kd3 | let's see how long this takes |
| 14:20.54 | Maldivia | ~toc |
| 14:20.54 | purl | toc is, like, The current WoW Interface Number is: 40000 |
| 14:22.37 | Maldivia | kd3, according to the fac, 1 hour of pre-patching, then download and stream-patching :) |
| 14:22.46 | Maldivia | faq* |
| 14:23.05 | Lopeppeppy | As if we should be so lucky to not have an ISP that throttles the crap out of streaming... |
| 14:23.18 | Lopeppeppy | How many gig is the full patch? |
| 14:23.24 | Maldivia | around 5gb |
| 14:23.51 | Maldivia | the current versionf othe launcher/game doesn't use torrents for streaming :) |
| 14:24.02 | Maldivia | but http |
| 14:24.03 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, that's at least overnight for me. I'll get maybe 1G nicely, then Time Warner throttles the living crap out of my connection and it crawls. |
| 14:24.19 | Lopeppeppy | Although, I did upgrade my service since the last patch, so maybe I'm being overly pessimistic. |
| 14:24.21 | Maldivia | you didn't do the background downloader? |
| 14:24.44 | Lopeppeppy | Nope, background makes my Vista Unhappy McLockerson. |
| 14:24.48 | nebula | can torrent thre first 4.8gb of it |
| 14:24.57 | Lopeppeppy | needs to obliterate her laptop with a nuclear strike! |
| 14:25.15 | Lopeppeppy | I'll likely resort to the mirrors, those tend to go a LOT better for me. |
| 14:25.20 | Maldivia | start the background downloader once, then use the torrent file it dumps in Cache to finish with a normal torrent client :) |
| 14:25.31 | nebula | yar, how i did it |
| 14:25.50 | Lopeppeppy | I love the mirrors, I cuddle them joyfully. |
| 14:26.16 | Maldivia | well, you can downloade the entire installation from blizzards mirrors :) |
| 14:26.47 | Sentri | hmm did they change PlayMusic |
| 14:27.52 | Sentri | it no longer fades/stops the existng music |
| 14:28.45 | Sentri | or am I just hearing things |
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| 14:30.34 | kd3 | hm, has the addon toolkit been updated yet? |
| 14:31.22 | kd3 | ftp says... no |
| 14:32.07 | nebula | i ran it from the beta install dir and it extracted the framexml just fine |
| 14:32.19 | kd3 | from about 15 builds ago |
| 14:32.51 | Sentri | yeah I ran it fine yesterday and it extracted everything just fine |
| 14:33.07 | nebula | the exe i used was from when i downloaded it at the start of wrath, lol |
| 14:33.15 | Sentri | yeah |
| 14:33.39 | Maldivia | it extract the UI from the base installation, ie doesn't include the patches |
| 14:33.40 | kd3 | yeah, that's the thing. it'll extract, but it gets the base client (for the beta... build 12635) |
| 14:33.50 | Sentri | hmm |
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| 14:34.04 | nebula | ah, ok |
| 14:34.14 | Sentri | where can I check if it's the current one or not? |
| 14:34.31 | kd3 | http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?locale=en_US&articleId=21466 |
| 14:34.46 | kd3 | the zip it points to was last updated July 15, 2008 |
| 14:35.47 | Sentri | hmm |
| 14:35.58 | Sentri | how can I mute blizzard's music but not my own |
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| 14:40.08 | zenzelezz | "It turned out that our use of Creative Commons licensed music was going against some of the details in collective agreements we hold with certain talent agencies. As such, we had to discontinue our use of it." |
| 14:40.13 | zenzelezz | http://arstechnica.com/media/news/2010/10/cbc-radio-fans-crabby-over-creative-commons-snub.ars |
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| 14:41.53 | foxlit | requiring supply depots before barracks is outrageous. discuss. |
| 14:42.29 | zenzelezz | meh |
| 14:42.39 | alestane | I'm not sure that's something I can get outraged over. |
| 14:42.42 | Cide | reading the article it seems like they had a legal obligation to discontinue using it |
| 14:42.57 | alestane | You can't build a gateway without completing a pylon first. |
| 14:43.20 | zenzelezz | Cide: in the end, it seems that way; but the quote I pasted sounded out of place in regards to CC |
| 14:43.30 | foxlit | alestane: outrage! |
| 14:43.37 | Thunder_Child | "We are currently seeking talented Technical Support Specialist for client Level 1 (Rhythm), Level 2 (Blues) and Level 3 (Jazz) issues." >.< |
| 14:43.41 | foxlit | (But spawning pool requires nothing) |
| 14:43.58 | alestane | And they start you with an overlord anyway IIRC. |
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| 14:44.33 | alestane | I'm not sure I agree with the change, but I'm such a beginning player that I can't claim to understand all the ramifications. |
| 14:44.51 | alestane | I almost always build a supply depot before a barracks anyway. |
| 14:45.54 | alestane | Requiring a supply depot before a tech lab might have been a more appropriate measure. |
| 14:46.12 | alestane | How long do these "non-critical updates" actually need? |
| 14:46.31 | foxlit | alestane: I'm not sure that'd fix what they wanted to fix |
| 14:46.43 | foxlit | You can sort of do 10 barracks, 11 depot and have both finish. |
| 14:46.43 | Arrowmaster | from what ive heard (at least in the US) its illegal to have a contract stating you are not allowed to use or sell items or content from a specific source, contracts can only require that no other sources be used they can not be picky |
| 14:46.46 | alestane | Did they explain what they wanted to fix? |
| 14:47.29 | Fisker | 1+1 = 2 |
| 14:47.29 | foxlit | repears, presumably |
| 14:47.40 | foxlit | wheh. reapers. |
| 14:48.17 | alestane | Then while that might not be the exact fix, slowing tech labs or requiring some other requirement for reapers like a factory seems more reasonable. |
| 14:49.12 | alestane | Which would be a slightly odd fix itself...production buildings generally don't enable new units on other production buildings. |
| 14:49.19 | Fisker | hehe foxlit |
| 14:49.23 | Fisker | Eben Fiske Ostby |
| 14:49.26 | Fisker | tihi fnis |
| 14:49.45 | foxlit | Fisker: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOzhZ3eRwpE yet? |
| 14:50.15 | Fisker | nope |
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| 14:52.00 | Fisker | is there some kind of major astrological news i'm unaware of foxlit ? |
| 14:52.38 | kd3 | is watching console output... |
| 14:53.00 | Fisker | sounds boring |
| 14:53.05 | kd3 | still can't figure out why is the blizz updater poking GetLogicalProcessorInformation every tick... |
| 14:53.40 | amro | kd3: isn't that a stub in wine? maybe it keeps calling it because the call fails? |
| 14:53.42 | zenzelezz | in case it has magically teleported to a different CPU |
| 14:54.48 | kd3 | s/why is the blizz updated/why the blizz updater is/ |
| 14:54.52 | kd3 | looks for more caffeine |
| 14:55.11 | Lopeppeppy | hogs the caffeine! Mine! Rawr. |
| 14:55.12 | Fisker | use windows kd3 |
| 14:55.16 | Fisker | problem solved |
| 14:55.31 | kd3 | but that involves selling my soul to redmond. I *like* my soul |
| 14:55.34 | Fisker | your linux and deceptive logicalprocessorinformation |
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| 14:56.06 | Lopeppeppy | Your soul is magically delicious, kd3. |
| 14:56.59 | alestane | "I opened software yesterday without reading the agreement first. It turns out I agreed to become a towel boy in Bill Gate's new mansion." |
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| 14:57.15 | nebula | would assume its the scheduler, not something the updater is doing on its own, its constantly writing so /shrug |
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| 14:58.12 | schnoggo | happy patch day, everyone. |
| 14:58.33 | zenzelezz | not in Europe |
| 14:58.34 | foxlit | Today is not tomorrow. Yet. |
| 14:58.48 | kd3 | wait, who cares about the euros again? |
| 14:58.50 | alestane | In theory, delicious new mechanics will be available in four hours. |
| 14:58.51 | nebula | the beginning of the end is nigh! |
| 14:58.55 | alestane | In theory. |
| 14:58.58 | schnoggo | I'm doing "real" work and not coding addons today, but wanted to pop in and share some moral support. |
| 14:58.59 | zenzelezz | wait, who cares about the Americans again? |
| 14:59.06 | kd3 | blizz does |
| 14:59.11 | zenzelezz | they're biased |
| 14:59.22 | kd3 | but that's why we're here. ;) |
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| 15:01.24 | Fisker | is the msn network fucked for any of you too? |
| 15:01.28 | Lunessa | Station |
| 15:01.29 | Fisker | i.e. messenger |
| 15:01.32 | Fisker | no u Lunessa |
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| 15:02.08 | zenzelezz | "The original wallpaper for Windows XP was Red Moon Desert, until people claimed that Red Moon Desert looked like a pair of buttocks." |
| 15:02.19 | kd3 | oh wow |
| 15:02.26 | kd3 | looks at the 4.0.1 known issues sticky |
| 15:02.38 | Fisker | link me kd3 |
| 15:02.41 | Fisker | or have sex with zenzelezz |
| 15:02.43 | kd3 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=27188059429&sid=1 |
| 15:02.51 | Lunessa | Any WoWI admin with a moment - you can mark "http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info8691-BindingsReminder.html" as "works with 4.0.1" - thanks. |
| 15:03.40 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, Lunessa. |
| 15:03.43 | cog|work | RAWR |
| 15:03.56 | zenzelezz | kd3: what about it? |
| 15:03.59 | foxlit | Lunessa: why bother? The comment seem to suggest that the author will upload an explicit 4.0.1 version later anyhow. |
| 15:04.08 | Fisker | hey cog|work |
| 15:04.13 | kd3 | just laughing at the multiboxer crash |
| 15:04.16 | Lunessa | Morning Lopeppeppy and cog|work. |
| 15:04.28 | zenzelezz | isn't Lunessa involved with that one somehow? Or am I misremembering? |
| 15:04.29 | Lunessa | foxlit - I am the author now. |
| 15:05.07 | foxlit | Lunessa: but no actual access? :( |
| 15:05.26 | foxlit | Maybe I'm just not mapping the username properly |
| 15:05.47 | Lunessa | Lothay = me. |
| 15:06.07 | Lunessa | My WoWI account is still my EQI account from like... 2002. |
| 15:06.17 | foxlit | so you should be able to mark it yourself :) |
| 15:06.53 | cog|work | so one of the winners of the next food network star (Guy Fieri) is from my town and now someone else from here is on the Next Iron Che |
| 15:06.57 | cog|work | Chef* |
| 15:07.06 | foxlit | But perhaps that doesn't work for some reasons. Anyhow, carry on :) |
| 15:07.22 | cog|work | I'm not normally one for geographic tribalism, but go us! |
| 15:07.49 | Lunessa | Oh... /fail. User controlled option. /facepalm |
| 15:08.09 | cog|work | pats Lunessa |
| 15:08.22 | Fisker | kd3 |
| 15:08.28 | kd3 | hm? |
| 15:08.31 | Fisker | the multiboxers days are numbered |
| 15:08.53 | Maldivia | why? |
| 15:08.53 | Lunessa | I just found it at the bottom of a page where I wasn't expecting the option. *sigh* |
| 15:09.20 | Lunessa | You can still run mutliple copies of the app, just can't launch them together. |
| 15:09.39 | Fisker | well i don't know if money cancels out whining Maldivia |
| 15:09.49 | Maldivia | you can't run multiple version of wow, unless it's 100% patched, but that's a minor issue |
| 15:10.10 | Xinhuan | oh? |
| 15:10.17 | Xinhuan | does wow actually tell u that |
| 15:10.25 | Xinhuan | or ppl found out themselves |
| 15:10.45 | Fisker | common sense |
| 15:10.51 | Fisker | once process locks the files |
| 15:10.51 | Maldivia | the first process grabs exclusive rights to the files since it's writing to them |
| 15:10.54 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 15:11.09 | nebula | how greedy |
| 15:11.21 | Xinhuan | common sense doesn't equate to how it will actually run |
| 15:11.27 | Fisker | needs to, to make sure it doesn't get screwed over by other processes |
| 15:11.36 | Xinhuan | it might be that the first copy can read/write, but the second copy will only read |
| 15:11.57 | Fisker | you can't do either if the file is locked |
| 15:12.04 | Maldivia | Xinhuan: well, tested at some point during beta, and couldn't start 2nd copy while streaming |
| 15:12.05 | nebula | just update the file in blocks like a torrent, the more streaming the merrier ! |
| 15:12.07 | foxlit | http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/6149/photoproof.jpg |
| 15:12.11 | Lunessa | I have a system. I patch one copy, then copy all the data to the other directory. |
| 15:12.18 | Lopeppeppy | Seems wise... |
| 15:12.27 | Maldivia | nebula: it still needs to talk to the other clients what blocks it's written etc |
| 15:12.38 | Xinhuan | it doesn't take long to fully patch anyway |
| 15:12.40 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 15:13.14 | Fisker | yeah |
| 15:13.19 | Lopeppeppy | Forever, Xinhuan! |
| 15:13.19 | Fisker | about time they gave us some decent bandwitdh |
| 15:13.29 | nebula | don't actually update the files as it happens, download, patch, download more, patch more, with some queueing in there incase it was blocked |
| 15:13.33 | Maldivia | well, the patch was about 3x as large as I expected |
| 15:13.41 | kd3 | started the 3.3x->4.0 conversion patch at 10:20, it's 11:13, 75% done |
| 15:13.42 | nebula | is talking out of his ass |
| 15:13.44 | kd3 | yawns |
| 15:13.45 | Xinhuan | only 20 min to stream the 1.2 gb ;p |
| 15:14.08 | Lunessa | I fired up the background downloader before I went to bed. And just slept through it. |
| 15:14.10 | kd3 | maybe it's time I buy a SSD |
| 15:14.16 | Lopeppeppy | That's what I do, Lunessa. |
| 15:14.18 | Xinhuan | yep that's right, u need to stream another 1.2gb after the 1 hour patch |
| 15:14.29 | Xinhuan | and you should have at least 22 gb free space |
| 15:14.33 | Xinhuan | before patching lol |
| 15:14.38 | nebula | only 860 or so before you can play ! |
| 15:14.50 | Maldivia | kd3: the pre-patcher is dead slow on mac, I started my win patch when the mac was about 50% into it, and the windows finished first |
| 15:16.57 | Fisker | Blizzard can't Megabit/Megabyte |
| 15:18.37 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 15:18.43 | jnwhiteh | i wonder if eu is going to patch tomorrow |
| 15:18.46 | jnwhiteh | if not, I should wait =) |
| 15:19.01 | jnwhiteh | ah fuck it |
| 15:19.04 | jnwhiteh | i dont play anymore anyway |
| 15:19.07 | jnwhiteh | tho I need to find a guild now. |
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| 15:20.15 | Maldivia | jnwhiteh: EU patches tomorrow, yeah |
| 15:20.25 | jnwhiteh | unless they decide to wait until next week =) |
| 15:20.30 | jnwhiteh | just hoping that doesnt' happen :P |
| 15:20.38 | Maldivia | ~wowalert |
| 15:20.38 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 15:20.49 | Maldivia | <p>This Wednesday there will be an extended maintenance to apply patch 4.0.1. |
| 15:20.54 | jnwhiteh | good then =) |
| 15:21.16 | dafire | i need a new guild, too .) |
| 15:21.29 | jnwhiteh | we're on ED-EU |
| 15:21.32 | jnwhiteh | for anyone who wants to help :P |
| 15:21.40 | Xinhuan | wowi is slowing down now lol |
| 15:22.01 | jnwhiteh | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:22.08 | Xinhuan | hmm |
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| 15:22.20 | Fisker | why would you think they would wait a week jnwhiteh ? |
| 15:22.27 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: they've done it before |
| 15:22.28 | Xinhuan | waiting for s.wowinterface.com.... |
| 15:22.29 | DJJeff | I keep getting download failed in Curse Client ? |
| 15:22.30 | jnwhiteh | when there are major issues |
| 15:22.46 | Fisker | They've done it once, and announced it a month in advance |
| 15:23.01 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 15:23.07 | Fisker | unless i go on a killing spree at their datacenters it'll go live tomorrow |
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| 15:23.49 | Lunessa | Fisker The only killing spree you're ever going to do is in your pants. |
| 15:23.51 | Fisker | btw i told them they can't Megabit/byte |
| 15:24.05 | Fisker | i use toilet paper Lunessa |
| 15:25.15 | Lunessa | Fisker Dude, too. much. information. |
| 15:26.20 | Fisker | i find it more disturbing you do it in the pants |
| 15:26.32 | Fisker | looks like i totally owned Lunessa :o |
| 15:26.38 | Fisker | cheers |
| 15:26.41 | kd3 | whee; conversion patch done |
| 15:27.35 | dafire | in anything different with the old zones in 4.0.1 ? or is that coming later ? :) |
| 15:27.41 | kd3 | that's 4.0.3 |
| 15:28.11 | dafire | ok .) |
| 15:28.13 | Fisker | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=14870029270&postId=148686716163&sid=1#7 <-lol macs |
| 15:28.14 | Fisker | LOL MACS |
| 15:28.19 | unfo- | I JUST CAME |
| 15:28.20 | unfo- | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:28.23 | unfo- | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:28.48 | Fisker | can providing? |
| 15:29.15 | dafire | you can have 5 pets with you .. 20 with the stable master |
| 15:29.41 | unfo- | Fisker, copy paste from: http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/770793-4.0.1-Hunters |
| 15:29.47 | dafire | Fisker: i like macs :) |
| 15:30.28 | Fisker | i barely care at this point |
| 15:30.49 | Fisker | Now i'm just annoyed by "omg macs are the best computars in teh world and when steve jobs shits down my neck then it's actually everyone else" |
| 15:32.14 | dafire | I would not say they are better then others .. but they are fine .) |
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| 15:47.55 | msoul | so you can buy t10 with triumph emblems? |
| 15:48.11 | msoul | as it gives the same value as frosties |
| 15:48.11 | Fisker | dno |
| 15:48.15 | nevcairiel | the points have been unified |
| 15:48.19 | nevcairiel | so yea |
| 15:48.34 | msoul | I should farm then for tomorrow |
| 15:48.43 | msoul | have only 62 triumph on the lock |
| 15:48.46 | msoul | no t10 yet |
| 15:49.51 | msoul | have 460 on the war I think |
| 15:50.00 | msoul | and 304 frosties |
| 15:50.27 | Fisker | you should've cashed out msoul |
| 15:50.30 | msoul | I should get the trinket, cloak and belt with frosties and leave triumph to gear up for fruy |
| 15:50.44 | msoul | frosties? |
| 15:50.50 | nicoli_s | anyone in here listen to animal collective? |
| 15:51.24 | Fisker | well you're about a couple of months late but yes msoul |
| 15:51.40 | msoul | yeah didn't have any use for them |
| 15:51.46 | msoul | used to sell primordials for 2k |
| 15:51.50 | msoul | back then :/ |
| 15:54.24 | dafire | but i think you loose value when frost marks are transformed to justice points |
| 15:54.25 | msoul | guess I will get loads of promirdials to craft legs/feet for the prot pala |
| 15:54.38 | msoul | I am buying whatever now |
| 15:54.41 | msoul | got the trinket |
| 15:54.44 | zenzelezz | your paladin is missing legs and feet? |
| 15:54.54 | kd3 | ack |
| 15:55.03 | kd3 | ran a diff before the download finished |
| 15:55.04 | kd3 | 8.3MB |
| 15:55.12 | kd3 | waits some more for the rest of the UI to finish downloading |
| 15:55.18 | nevcairiel | ui kit yet? |
| 15:55.24 | kd3 | no |
| 15:55.31 | msoul | zenzelezz: zenzelezz the icc paterns for tanking |
| 15:55.47 | Maldivia | 8.3 mb what? |
| 15:55.56 | zenzelezz | msoul: was a joke... you know, no limbs? (Also, interesting doubling of my nick :) |
| 15:55.59 | kd3 | size of the .diff file |
| 15:56.06 | msoul | zenzelezz: :) |
| 15:56.10 | Maldivia | ouch |
| 15:56.10 | nevcairiel | isnt that like bigger then the whole UI? |
| 15:56.19 | kd3 | which is huge, because half of the files in the UI are empty... |
| 15:56.19 | kd3 | yes |
| 15:56.25 | kd3 | diffs have been running around 3MB |
| 15:56.32 | Maldivia | that cant be right... |
| 15:56.33 | msoul | I still have 217 frosties after I got what I got |
| 15:56.38 | nevcairiel | oh because they are empty |
| 15:56.39 | nevcairiel | i see |
| 15:56.39 | msoul | on this toon |
| 15:56.40 | kd3 | because the download's not done yet |
| 15:56.50 | nevcairiel | I actually had that problem on the ptr |
| 15:56.56 | nevcairiel | it was done |
| 15:57.00 | nevcairiel | and i still got 0 byte files |
| 15:57.02 | nevcairiel | no idea why |
| 15:57.16 | nevcairiel | better luck to you ;) |
| 15:57.40 | kd3 | meh, I'll try again once I get out of the available stage in ~300 megs or so |
| 15:57.40 | msoul | guess I should get the belt/cloak |
| 15:57.50 | msoul | since I had the leather belt with arp |
| 15:57.51 | Maldivia | using kit or own extractor? |
| 15:57.55 | msoul | and that'd be gone by tomorrow |
| 15:57.58 | nevcairiel | I mean, i did login, and everything was fine |
| 15:58.03 | kd3 | own extractor, the UI kit has still not been updated |
| 15:58.04 | nevcairiel | so i kinda expected the UI was done |
| 15:58.09 | kd3 | ya |
| 16:02.31 | msoul | So everyone cashed in his/her frost emblems before the patch? |
| 16:02.41 | nevcairiel | they don't lose value |
| 16:02.49 | nevcairiel | well, a bit maybe, but not much |
| 16:02.57 | nevcairiel | i dont actually know the actual prices |
| 16:03.13 | msoul | just used all my emblems on tinkets/cloak and primordial |
| 16:03.31 | msoul | and didn't get any of the t10 for fury since I can get them with triumph |
| 16:03.38 | msoul | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:03.48 | nevcairiel | yea you can |
| 16:04.30 | msoul | have to farm hcs now for the lock |
| 16:04.36 | msoul | got it to hit 80 last week or a bit more |
| 16:04.57 | msoul | will get the belt for the lock I guess |
| 16:05.00 | Fisker | i hit you |
| 16:05.06 | msoul | and leave triumph for t10 |
| 16:05.30 | msoul | well thanks nevcairiel |
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| 16:07.03 | TC-Work | you know, now i understand why people bitch about IE |
| 16:07.06 | Shirik | hrm |
| 16:07.14 | Shirik | Adobe just accidentally sent me two lightroom keys instead of 1 |
| 16:07.28 | mikma | RUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAA!!!! |
| 16:07.31 | Fisker | give me one Shirik |
| 16:07.37 | mikma | this new Family Guy is awesome |
| 16:07.40 | Fisker | btw Shirik |
| 16:07.41 | haste | s--- 192.168.15.1 ping statistics --- |
| 16:07.43 | haste | 11 packets transmitted, 4 received, 63% packet loss, time 9999ms |
| 16:07.45 | haste | awesome |
| 16:08.01 | Shirik | haste: I had packet loss on localhost once |
| 16:08.05 | Fisker | are you prepared for the dikshitstorm? |
| 16:08.08 | Shirik | but that might have been my fault |
| 16:08.21 | Fisker | are you prepared Shirik ? |
| 16:08.27 | Shirik | I am not prepared |
| 16:08.34 | Fisker | you should be |
| 16:08.41 | mikma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDOMRgndoUY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 16:09.11 | Fisker | in b4 DMCA'd |
| 16:09.41 | TMc51 | lol |
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| 16:11.00 | Lunessa | STATION |
| 16:11.02 | Fisker | dikshit |
| 16:11.09 | mikma | lunessa: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDOMRgndoUY |
| 16:11.58 | Lunessa | mikma: lulz? |
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| 16:17.38 | Maldivia | mikma, lol |
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| 16:20.25 | schnoggo | mac download went nice and quick considering.... But yes, the unpacker was slow as 5#!+ But in a cool move, there was a Growl alert when it was done. Very Mac-ish. :) |
| 16:21.00 | Maldivia | yeah the pre patch was painfully slow on mac |
| 16:22.34 | schnoggo | Crazy that 3.76 gigs is just the base for the streaming patch. This is gonna be BIG! Over 9000! |
| 16:23.24 | Fisker | no Schnaks |
| 16:23.26 | Fisker | damn you |
| 16:25.07 | nicoli_s | tab complete fail fisker |
| 16:25.38 | Fisker | fuck you NightHawkTheSane |
| 16:25.43 | schnoggo | Odd Q for the room: anyone Twitter? I have a "coders" list of interesting devs - would like some Lua folks on there. |
| 16:26.27 | kd3 | whee; available stage done. let's see if the UI's still not all downloaded yet |
| 16:26.32 | TMc51 | I do sometimes, but not much, and usually only for stupid news. |
| 16:26.40 | Lunessa | steven brust's estranged wife passed away. :( |
| 16:26.43 | Fisker | twitter sucks |
| 16:28.04 | schnoggo | Twitter ain't for us: we have IRC. But the unwashed masses can't be expected to understand how IRC works, so they have Twitter. |
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| 16:29.46 | Fisker | If twitter is irc for dummies, then conversation is shouting into a megafon in an empty forest for dummies |
| 16:29.56 | Fisker | megaphone* |
| 16:30.25 | mikma | did we get new launcher? |
| 16:30.32 | kd3 | ya |
| 16:30.33 | Fisker | yes |
| 16:30.35 | Fisker | no u kd3 |
| 16:30.35 | mikma | okidoki |
| 16:30.39 | nevcairiel | probably the same one beta and ptr used :P |
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| 16:30.44 | kd3 | the first thing you get after the pre-patch is a tools update |
| 16:30.54 | TMc51 | didnt we just get a new launcher a couple months ago? o.O |
| 16:31.06 | durcyn | you didn't get the streaming patcher launcher a couple months ago. |
| 16:31.07 | nevcairiel | the new launcher is way more then a new launcher though |
| 16:31.15 | Maldivia | kd3: finished your diff ? |
| 16:31.16 | nevcairiel | its a complete new downloading system |
| 16:31.25 | TMc51 | I liked the old new launcher with all the bnet games. =( |
| 16:31.43 | TMc51 | Wait, nevermind, that got old after 3 days. <,< |
| 16:32.00 | durcyn | i liked people who finished every sentence with an emoticon |
| 16:32.02 | kd3 | no; my tools are acting up. I keep getting blank files in some cases even though the patches have what looks to be the full files in them |
| 16:32.24 | nevcairiel | Like i said, i ran into the same problem on the ptr =( |
| 16:32.29 | Fisker | btw jnwhiteh zomg |
| 16:32.36 | Fisker | Nexus One should get FM Radio in CM 6.1 |
| 16:32.37 | jnwhiteh | ? |
| 16:32.39 | jnwhiteh | yes. |
| 16:32.40 | jnwhiteh | durr |
| 16:32.41 | Fisker | we don't have to speak chinese anymoar |
| 16:32.48 | Fisker | or just read it |
| 16:33.04 | Fisker | it sucks my headset has built-in FM radio :( |
| 16:33.05 | Maldivia | kd3: want my extract? |
| 16:33.17 | Fisker | i want your extract |
| 16:33.19 | Fisker | unzips |
| 16:33.25 | kd3 | no, I think I got it |
| 16:33.34 | kd3 | is going to try ignoring the -OldWorld update |
| 16:33.35 | Fisker | actually that was pretty horrible |
| 16:33.54 | Maldivia | why are you even lookin in those ? |
| 16:34.07 | Maldivia | :) |
| 16:34.34 | Fisker | i once ignored -OldWorld update |
| 16:34.38 | Fisker | then i was slapped around a bit |
| 16:34.44 | Maldivia | although the -oldworld does have some files, hmm |
| 16:35.09 | Fisker | maybe they fixed arathi basin sploits |
| 16:35.15 | kd3 | ok, 3.8MB |
| 16:35.17 | kd3 | that sounds about right |
| 16:35.36 | nevcairiel | as long as there is no 0byte file |
| 16:35.48 | foxlit | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/tags/cataclysm/default.aspx?s=dailydownloads&so=d |
| 16:35.49 | foxlit | meh |
| 16:35.51 | TMc51 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:35.54 | TMc51 | FAIL |
| 16:35.55 | foxlit | Trying to sort by "hits" ends up being weird |
| 16:36.06 | TMc51 | the installer sucked up 30GB |
| 16:36.23 | Fisker | i sucked up 30GB |
| 16:36.30 | kd3 | because you've temporarily got two copies of wow while the 3.3->4.0 conversion happens |
| 16:36.41 | foxlit | "A computer has beaten a human at shogi, otherwise known as Japanese chess, for the first time." teehee, awesome phrasing |
| 16:36.50 | TMc51 | Still, shouldnt be 30GB that it needs. |
| 16:36.54 | jnwhiteh | [jnwhiteh@gammatester] World of Warcraft Beta/Interface/Addons/Clique% luac -p -l *.lua | grep SETGLOBAL | wc -l |
| 16:36.54 | jnwhiteh | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:36.56 | kd3 | 15GB *2 |
| 16:36.59 | jnwhiteh | its a beautiful thing. |
| 16:37.08 | nevcairiel | you still have 5 setglobal? |
| 16:37.11 | nevcairiel | omgs! |
| 16:37.43 | jnwhiteh | slash command, DB default, global header, cc registration table and one from my 'test' addon that isn't even loaded =) |
| 16:38.15 | nevcairiel | get a reference to _G and use that to cheat the stats, imho =) |
| 16:38.22 | mikma | did teleportals go away in 4.0.1? |
| 16:38.26 | jnwhiteh | nah, i want to know when I'm doing it |
| 16:38.29 | durcyn | mikma: no |
| 16:38.30 | jnwhiteh | mikma: the ones in dalaran did, yes. |
| 16:38.32 | kd3 | in shat/dalaran? no. that happens in 4.0.3 |
| 16:38.37 | jnwhiteh | oh |
| 16:38.38 | Maldivia | kd3: There are differences between the oldworld versions and the non-oldworld version |
| 16:38.38 | jnwhiteh | my mistaek! |
| 16:38.50 | kd3 | grrs |
| 16:38.56 | nevcairiel | go figure out which version is up on live now <.< |
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| 16:43.29 | cog|work | *sigh* 3 wins in a row, 2 opponents timed out and one quit as soon as he saw my wall off... |
| 16:45.00 | Fisker | didn't you play zerg? |
| 16:45.01 | Lunessa | Interesting photos of landscapes taken from above. http://justpaste.it/3ky?ref=nf |
| 16:45.36 | cog|work | Fisker: i switched to random |
| 16:46.20 | Maldivia | kd3: hmm, it seems oldworld isn't really correct, I'm getting unpatched files from it?! |
| 16:46.48 | kd3 | ya... I think I'm just going to send out the diff just using the -update patch with a caveat up top |
| 16:47.00 | kd3 | throws something pointy at the tools guys again |
| 16:47.46 | foxlit | cog|work: quit walling off with planetary fortresses? |
| 16:47.49 | Maldivia | kd3: well, the old world file is 10 builds older :) |
| 16:48.03 | nevcairiel | its the old world, duh! |
| 16:48.04 | cog|work | a pylon a gateway, 2 zealots and 3 stalkers |
| 16:48.19 | foxlit | meh, late scout. |
| 16:48.58 | foxlit | in platinum yet? :) |
| 16:49.01 | Fisker | i hate you cog|work |
| 16:49.02 | schnoggo | I've played a bit of the ol' random :) http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/420929/1/Warlon/ |
| 16:49.18 | Fisker | btw cog|work |
| 16:49.26 | Fisker | some time ago i did something amazing |
| 16:49.34 | Fisker | walled off an attack with a pylon |
| 16:49.45 | Fisker | totally double rainbow approved |
| 16:49.53 | schnoggo | boggles at Fisker |
| 16:50.21 | Adys | Fisker |
| 16:50.24 | Adys | can you screenshot item 16678 |
| 16:50.26 | Adys | plx. |
| 16:50.39 | Adys | /script SetItemRef("item:16678") |
| 16:51.47 | Fisker | on beta? |
| 16:51.51 | Adys | live |
| 16:51.55 | Fisker | sec |
| 16:52.41 | Fisker | http://imgur.com/SaXUq.jpg |
| 16:52.53 | Adys | thanks |
| 16:53.43 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: nice rod(s) you have there. |
| 16:53.52 | Fisker | thanks |
| 16:56.32 | Maldivia | kd3: it seems like it's the oldworld file that's being used by wow though |
| 17:02.56 | alestane | Amazingly, one of my add-ons appears to survive 4.0 unscathed. |
| 17:03.03 | Lopeppeppy | Woot! |
| 17:03.16 | alestane | The other four, on the other hand... |
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| 17:03.44 | nevcairiel | the breakage isnt that big, honestly. Well. Depends what your addons do. UFs are generally broken, and everything using spells probably needs a update on the spell ids being handled |
| 17:03.49 | nevcairiel | that was the big things in my addons ^ |
| 17:04.42 | ckknight | PB4 should be 4.0 compatible |
| 17:05.04 | Maldivia | kd3: it doesn't look like the client loads the non-oldworld file... |
| 17:05.14 | kd3 | winces |
| 17:05.20 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 17:05.23 | ckknight | but yea, there were changes needed to it |
| 17:06.14 | Fisker | what happened to patch tuesday btw? |
| 17:06.15 | Maldivia | kd3: it isn't listed on the console output when starting the client |
| 17:06.22 | alestane | One add-on just needed a bug fixed. |
| 17:06.23 | Fisker | oh there it was |
| 17:06.30 | alestane | That predated 4.0 anyway. |
| 17:06.32 | Shefki | ckknight: They weren't that big of a deal. |
| 17:06.52 | ckknight | okay then |
| 17:06.53 | nevcairiel | as long as you understand the restricted env dealy its easy |
| 17:07.01 | nevcairiel | but some people seem to choke on the concept |
| 17:07.13 | alestane | One looks like it just needs a GUI update. |
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| 17:14.50 | Maldivia | kd3: I have an old world extracted now, interested ? |
| 17:15.01 | kd3 | sure; email it to me? |
| 17:15.07 | ckknight | slow patcher is slow |
| 17:16.28 | mikma | http://mikma.eu/wow/WoWScrnShot_101210_201118.jpg |
| 17:20.13 | ckknight | Fisker: you've changed since that threesome. |
| 17:21.08 | Fisker | what threesome? |
| 17:21.10 | Shefki | Anyone know of any addons that for sure won't be updated for 4.0.x that are fairly major. |
| 17:21.20 | Shefki | I'm writing up my 4.0.1 UI & AddOn FAQ |
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| 17:22.15 | Lopeppeppy | Where threesome, is the proper question, Fisker. |
| 17:22.35 | nevcairiel | Shefki: Shadowed's UF, so i heard |
| 17:22.47 | nevcairiel | mention Cartographer, just to be safe :p |
| 17:23.03 | Dewin | Hmm. I log into IRC and the very first two messages I see are both relevant to my interests. |
| 17:23.58 | Shefki | nevcairiel: Yup those were already on my radar. |
| 17:24.08 | Lopeppeppy | I aim to please. Usually with a shotgun. |
| 17:31.31 | Shefki | nevcairiel: I included agUF, I assume it's safe to say you're not fixing it. |
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| 17:31.43 | nevcairiel | I didnt consider it major |
| 17:31.45 | nevcairiel | but sure |
| 17:32.15 | kd3 | oh, cogwheel, grats: +ERR_SOCKETING_COGWHEEL_GEM_ONLY_IN_COGWHEELSLOT = "Cogwheel gems can only be placed in cogwheel gem slots"; |
| 17:32.50 | Shefki | Great another thing we can say Cogwheel broke. |
| 17:33.38 | kd3 | patch and addendum emails away |
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| 17:33.57 | Fisker | do they contain cookies? |
| 17:34.11 | kd3 | they contain delicious diffs |
| 17:34.23 | Fisker | not sure if want |
| 17:35.09 | kd3 | also, maint extended (surprise) -- it's now 1400PDT |
| 17:35.30 | jnwhiteh | oh damnit. |
| 17:35.32 | Shefki | kd3: I'd be surprised if it's done by 1700PDT |
| 17:35.33 | cog|work | Do you have a cogwheel in your slot? No? Do you want one? |
| 17:35.36 | jnwhiteh | does anyone have a realmlist.wtf for eu? |
| 17:36.06 | Fisker | why would you cram a gem into a cogwheel |
| 17:36.16 | Shefki | Fisker: To break things, duhh |
| 17:36.18 | Fisker | and better yet, what cogwheel did you unscrew to cram a gem in it? |
| 17:36.41 | Fisker | "Oh this cogwheel on my mechano-hog can't be that important, better use it for some gems" |
| 17:39.12 | mikma | how much does instance give justice points?!? |
| 17:39.24 | nevcairiel | go do one! |
| 17:39.57 | TMc51 | whee extended maintenance. who didn't see that once coming? |
| 17:40.01 | mikma | i don't have 85 in cata |
| 17:40.16 | Dewin | I didn't. I predicted the servers would come up on schedule... but just for a few minutes |
| 17:40.20 | Arrowmaster | sockets cog|work |
| 17:40.29 | Arrowmaster | goes back to reading his book |
| 17:40.37 | Adys | kd3: http://db.mmo-champion.com/items/3/10 |
| 17:40.39 | Adys | cogwheel gems |
| 17:40.45 | Adys | whenever the servers are back up.. |
| 17:41.24 | Shefki | jnwhiteh: Which version of Clique are you pointing users at? |
| 17:42.14 | Fisker | why would he lift a person and point them towards a version of Clique? |
| 17:42.18 | Fisker | sounds unnessecarily hard |
| 17:43.05 | Dagmar | too much clicking |
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| 17:48.46 | Dewin | hmm. Not good that my patch downloader is picking lots of very interesting ways to crash. |
| 17:49.19 | Fisker | btw kd3 |
| 17:49.26 | Fisker | Wryxian doesn't want to concede that i owned him |
| 17:52.28 | zenzelezz | "The Lower Merion School District in Pennsylvania has agreed to a $610,000 settlement in two lawsuits over secret photos taken on school-issued laptops. Less than a third of that will go to the students. A total of $185,000 will be put in trust for the students. Their lawyer will receive $425,000." |
| 17:53.58 | alestane | It's always thus with class-actions. |
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| 17:57.08 | Lopeppeppy | Usually the legalese is "settlement + pay all lawyer fees associated"... but yeah. |
| 17:58.06 | Fisker | and lawyer fees are AWESOME |
| 17:58.18 | Lopeppeppy | super sexy |
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| 17:59.42 | TC-Work | huh, the hottest core on this server i am looking at is 14C |
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| 18:01.20 | cbreak | that's cold |
| 18:01.44 | cbreak | the cores in my computer are around 37 degrees Celcius |
| 18:02.15 | zenzelezz | your computer's core is body-temperature? That's suspicious |
| 18:02.17 | zenzelezz | check its pulse |
| 18:02.42 | cbreak | a regular 2.8 GHz |
| 18:03.31 | NightHawkTheSane | cbreak's "computer" is actually a small child's comatose body. |
| 18:03.56 | cbreak | she's not in coma! |
| 18:04.12 | Lopeppeppy | She's very happy and well adjusted! |
| 18:04.28 | Fisker | i'm pretty awesome btw |
| 18:04.30 | Fisker | i pwned blues |
| 18:04.35 | NightHawkTheSane | how can she be well adjusted when hooked up to the internet? |
| 18:04.40 | Fisker | they can't tell the difference between megabyte and megabit |
| 18:04.40 | nicoli_s | im just happy that the school board lost in that case |
| 18:04.48 | nicoli_s | it almost looked like they were gonna get away with it for a while |
| 18:05.34 | cbreak | school board? with what? |
| 18:05.54 | TMc51 | spying on students with laptop webcams if they';re talking about what I thinj they are. |
| 18:06.00 | Lopeppeppy | [13:52] <zenzelezz> "The Lower Merion School District in Pennsylvania has agreed to a $610,000 settlement in two lawsuits over secret photos taken on school-issued laptops. Less than a third of that will go to the students. A total of $185,000 will be put in trust for the students. Their lawyer will receive $425,000." |
| 18:06.18 | cbreak | oh, those... fools... |
| 18:06.28 | zenzelezz | nicoli_s: yeah |
| 18:06.39 | cbreak | but they could have gotten away with it, if it weren't for those meddling kids! |
| 18:07.07 | cbreak | and as usual, the lawyer wins |
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| 18:07.35 | TMc51 | No surprise there. Lawyers always win, even when they "lose". |
| 18:11.56 | Dagmar | They shouldn't have had to pay that |
| 18:12.07 | Dagmar | THey should have thrown a busybody bitch of an administrator in jail for about six months |
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| 18:13.48 | zenzelezz | agreed |
| 18:14.20 | Dagmar | I think they were being lazy shits about it. I know I had no problems finding the fucking law she broke when I actually looked. |
| 18:14.51 | nicoli_s | Dagmar:agreed on the jail part |
| 18:14.59 | nicoli_s | but i think the kids should get some money |
| 18:15.11 | nicoli_s | i mean thats the american dream, be hurt in some way, then get cash, repeat |
| 18:16.07 | TMc51 | America - if it's alive, sue it! |
| 18:16.10 | Dagmar | No, that's the lawyerly way |
| 18:16.55 | Dagmar | In another 30-40 years more people will probably take the same view Japan does... that this many lawyers in the population represents something going fundamentally very, very wrong |
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| 18:18.21 | newbie | America is pretty litigious, but one can hardly blame the lawyers themselves, the law itself is to blame. Lawyers merely act as knowledgeable counsel for persons in question. |
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| 18:22.24 | Dagmar | newbie: Excepting that lawyers are who writes most of the lawys |
| 18:22.31 | Dagmar | er laws |
| 18:22.38 | Dagmar | ...and lobbyists with law degrees. |
| 18:24.18 | alestane | The number of lawyers does not surprise me so much, although I think it will drop *somewhat* as things like web tools and boilerplate forms become more widely used. What usually concerns me is the deferral of responsibility that requires people to blame someone else for *everything* that happens to them and demand reparation. |
| 18:24.35 | Dagmar | Those are minority cases |
| 18:24.57 | Dagmar | I don't even know anyone personally who's pulled crap like that |
| 18:26.10 | Dagmar | The US has almost twenty times the percentage of lawyers in it's population that Japan has |
| 18:26.40 | Dagmar | However, I have a plan. |
| 18:26.52 | Dagmar | It's called "hunting the dishonest for sport". |
| 18:28.05 | Dagmar | One restriction, no burst-fire or full-auto weaponry allowed. That's how the RIAA got started. |
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| 18:28.29 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm, manhunts. |
| 18:29.18 | taroven | How the hell did I just manage to lose my bluetooth adaptor? o.0 |
| 18:29.24 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: good, i prefer sniper rifles myself so im ok with that restriction |
| 18:29.48 | Lopeppeppy | Shotguns are bestest ever for hunting. Reduce the world to shrapnel! |
| 18:30.08 | ckknight | Dagmar: *shrug* I have a brother who's a criminal defense attorney, maybe it's made me biased |
| 18:30.57 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/10/school-settles-laptop-spying-case-to-protect-taxpayers.ars |
| 18:31.01 | Arrowmaster | Lopeppeppy: good for home defense too, my friend has a 'door buster' aka pump action 12guage with pistol grips |
| 18:31.16 | Lopeppeppy | Saw that puppy down, good times, Arrowmaster. |
| 18:31.44 | Dagmar | ckknight: I keep having to go down to Legislative Plaza and yell at people to stop trying to pass laws to make me a felon |
| 18:32.04 | Arrowmaster | at one point the barrel length on it was so short it was illegal but he switched the barrel out for one at the legal limit |
| 18:32.14 | ckknight | Dagmar: what laws would they pass to make that happen? |
| 18:32.28 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, are you hinting that I shouldn't put comments like "reminds me of a soap opera" in my ticket comments? |
| 18:32.32 | TMc51 | ckknight a lot of gun control laws would do that to legit citizens ;) |
| 18:32.33 | zenzelezz | "Defense is now removed from the game." - there is now only Offense! |
| 18:32.57 | Dagmar | The last really big one they basically tried to pass a law making it a class D/E felony to provide for yourself any service that your service provider also offered |
| 18:33.11 | zenzelezz | Defensive Stance has been renamed Offensive Stance. You moon the enemy, infuriating him and making him focus his attacks on you. |
| 18:33.16 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: No, I just thought the story was relevant to your interests. However, I'll film a 'soap opera' with you if you like. RAWR |
| 18:33.20 | Dagmar | ...which should have never, ever made it as far as it did. |
| 18:33.50 | Dagmar | It was complete insanity, in that it basically allowed private institutions to determine what's illegal and what isn't. |
| 18:34.10 | Dagmar | My firewall would have been illegal, because Comcast was offering that as a service. |
| 18:34.13 | Lopeppeppy | *purr* Hop a plane, Lunessa. |
| 18:34.21 | Lunessa | RAWR |
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| 18:35.41 | Dagmar | ckknight: They were also (until I got all holy avenging angel about it) about to try something along the lines of GA's attempt at making computer forensics people register as private dicks |
| 18:35.51 | ckknight | hmm |
| 18:36.02 | Dagmar | er private investigators |
| 18:36.09 | ckknight | yea, I know |
| 18:36.36 | Lunessa | Dagmar: That happened here. |
| 18:37.19 | TMc51 | Dagmar: are you serious about GA having a law like that? Crap, I was thinking of moving there after taking Comp Forensics next year. |
| 18:37.34 | kd3 | yes |
| 18:37.42 | kd3 | was not happy about that either. not. happy. |
| 18:37.45 | Dagmar | TMC51: Yes, it's retarded |
| 18:37.50 | Dagmar | I pulled strings here. |
| 18:38.08 | TMc51 | Bah, guess my next choice is Texas, then. Trying to find a state with loose gun control laws before the state starts coming down on me. |
| 18:38.29 | zenzelezz | you keep many guns? |
| 18:39.00 | TMc51 | A few, yeah. If they change the law and make barrel laws a bit more strict, 3 of my carbines will be illegal unless I get a pistol permit. |
| 18:39.36 | Lopeppeppy | I hear that a Florida pistol permit is the best one to have. It's recognized by the highest number of other states. |
| 18:40.33 | Xinhuan | is the Cataclysm addon-guide on wowi... is it the same list of addon's every year, or created every year from the top 100 downloads? |
| 18:41.02 | TMc51 | I've heard. Georgia is one of the easiest to get the permit, which is why I was planning on moving there. I spend about 8 weeks a year down in Savannah, so I really love the place. |
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| 18:41.37 | Dagmar | Easier there? Wow. Are they skipping the bond requirement or something? |
| 18:42.12 | amro | apparently, it's easiest to get a gun in DC |
| 18:42.17 | kd3 | oh, sigh |
| 18:42.17 | amro | it was illegal almost forever, yet everybody has one |
| 18:42.17 | TMc51 | Dunno, all I know os what I've heard from my brother and his pals. NY wouldn't issue him one when he lived here, but he got his pretty much right away down there. |
| 18:42.27 | kd3 | yay for mage glyphs being broken |
| 18:42.34 | Lunessa | TMc51: Texas had something like that - http://www.ij.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2333&Itemid=129 but seems the agency responsible has changed their minds. |
| 18:42.40 | kd3 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=27188059040&sid=1&pageNo=4 |
| 18:43.04 | Lopeppeppy | NY has crappy pistol permit laws, ours isn't even recognized in the two nearest states. |
| 18:43.32 | TMc51 | NY just sucks in general. |
| 18:44.08 | Lopeppeppy | Mostly yeah. |
| 18:44.13 | Lunessa | TMc51: Also, texas has very sane gun ownership laws. http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/administration/crime_records/chl/chlsindex.htm - and CHL permits! Woo |
| 18:44.26 | TMc51 | the corruption all of our politicians get away with in Albany just makes me want to vomit. |
| 18:44.30 | Dagmar | We had problems in TN for awhile with the paperwork requiring a stated reason for wanting the carry permit |
| 18:44.32 | Lopeppeppy | is ascairt of Lunessa. |
| 18:44.33 | EvilPete | What's that smoke I see in the distance? Ahh.. thats the curse and wowinterface download servers... |
| 18:44.51 | Lopeppeppy | TMc51, just listen to Paladino, it's awesome. |
| 18:44.59 | Dagmar | ...and certain officials publicly stating that they didn't think any reason would be good enough, which is why they were denying all requests. |
| 18:45.04 | TMc51 | not just paladino, but schumer as well. |
| 18:45.05 | Dagmar | We took them out of the lopp. |
| 18:45.23 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: I only have 1 gun. And I don't carry it. My .44 S&W Magnum is impractical as a carry weapon. |
| 18:45.28 | Dagmar | No, as long as you don't write "LOL" in that blank, or at least don't do it in crayon, and you can pass the background check, you're good. |
| 18:46.36 | Dagmar | s/No/Now/; |
| 18:46.41 | TMc51 | the way I see it, I could care less about concieled carry. I'm mostly a collector. I only have about 10 rounds sitting near the safe, and only for emergency. if i go shooting, i stop at walmart and buy some .22 or 9mm rounds there for cheap. |
| 18:46.58 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_&_Wesson_Model_29 - the barrel is long enough to use as a splint. :P |
| 18:47.10 | Dagmar | Whoa yes it is |
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| 18:48.24 | zenzelezz | "The Model 29 was offered with 4", 5", 6½", 8â
" and, later, 10â
" barrel lengths as standard models" - "hey babe, wanna come home and see my 10â
-inch gun?" |
| 18:48.34 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, but that's lovely, Lunessa! |
| 18:48.57 | Dagmar | zenzelezz: Curiousity... Does that barrel have rifling in it? :) |
| 18:49.03 | Lunessa | Yeah, it was inheritance from my father. |
| 18:51.08 | Lopeppeppy | My brother wound up with the rifle I got from my father, I think it was a 30 06. Been too long to remember well. |
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| 18:52.34 | TMc51 | I love the 30 06. My only issue with it is the cost of rounds. A day at the range with it would be fairly expensive. |
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| 18:53.03 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, it was a hunting rifle, not target shooting. |
| 18:53.42 | nicoli_s | i just hope when they fix the laws, they remove the 3 day waitintg period for doomsday devices |
| 18:53.43 | TMc51 | but, on the bright side, it's one of the cheaper ones if you load your own rounds. too much work, though. |
| 18:55.11 | cbreak | TMc51: do it digital |
| 18:55.28 | TMc51 | Do what digital? |
| 18:55.41 | cbreak | spend a day at that range thing |
| 18:56.09 | TMc51 | Oh, I tried once. It just isn't the same. |
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| 18:57.39 | nicoli_s | digital shotting range? |
| 18:57.55 | nicoli_s | like in a video game? or is iit something a little more advanced |
| 18:58.08 | cbreak | more advanced than a video game? |
| 18:58.11 | cbreak | what planet are you from? |
| 18:58.13 | Lopeppeppy | Ugh. I can't imagine that being as fun as the smell of cordite. |
| 18:58.27 | TMc51 | Yeah. Some places have guns that are pretty much same size/weight but use lasers and a projection screen. pretty much duck hunt, and bad graphics. |
| 18:58.45 | nicoli_s | ahhh |
| 18:58.52 | cbreak | "it's the same as usual... but with LASERS!" |
| 18:58.57 | cbreak | I'd say that's a pro, not a con |
| 18:59.09 | TMc51 | Lopeppeppy: it isn't. nothing can replace the smell, or the burning rounds hitting your arm. |
| 18:59.22 | TMc51 | not rounds, errr, shells. |
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| 18:59.41 | nicoli_s | they could flick ciggarette butts at you |
| 18:59.45 | Lopeppeppy | I got shot once by a BB gun. and dug a .22 shell out of someone else's shoulder. Bullets are fun. |
| 18:59.49 | TMc51 | lol |
| 19:00.13 | cbreak | I killed a whole army solo once. |
| 19:00.22 | TMc51 | shooting pistols as a lefty without modified ejection ports = fun. nothing like a few first degree burns on your right arm. |
| 19:00.23 | cbreak | DeusEx multi player is fun with stealth mode. |
| 19:01.01 | nicoli_s | i havent tried deusex before, but i think ill try the new one |
| 19:01.20 | TMc51 | I cant wait for the new one. <3 DeusEx |
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| 19:01.40 | zenzelezz | I'm cautiously optimistic about the new DX |
| 19:01.47 | cbreak | the real DeusEx was great |
| 19:01.54 | zenzelezz | it's about time Deus Ex Machina gets a sequel |
| 19:01.57 | cbreak | too bad they NEVER MADE A 2 |
| 19:02.07 | zenzelezz | I see we share the sentiment |
| 19:02.08 | TMc51 | what the world needs is moar cyberpunk-styled pc games. |
| 19:02.18 | foxlit | noes. |
| 19:02.37 | foxlit | bioshock has had its run. They're just milking it now. |
| 19:02.50 | TMc51 | it could also do with a few steampunk ones, but the new bioshock coming out in 2 years should cover that. |
| 19:02.52 | zenzelezz | you know what I fear? That sometime soon, as the new generation grows up, it'll go from steampunk to steamemo |
| 19:03.08 | zenzelezz | or cyberpunk to sexemo |
| 19:03.12 | TMc51 | lol |
| 19:03.20 | TMc51 | anybody listen to any steampunk bands? |
| 19:03.24 | Torhal | zenzelezz: sextemo |
| 19:03.30 | cbreak | steampunk bands? |
| 19:03.34 | zenzelezz | Torhal: there we go |
| 19:03.34 | TMc51 | yeah |
| 19:03.37 | cbreak | what do they do, play on steam powered organs? |
| 19:03.41 | foxlit | cbreak: exactly. |
| 19:03.47 | TMc51 | nah, just steampunk themed, and stuff. |
| 19:04.03 | TMc51 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tq7XG4XOJsc is a good one |
| 19:04.40 | TMc51 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPH1OoTobtk&feature=related is another, then there's Unextraordinary Gentlemen, and Vernian Process. |
| 19:04.50 | Dagmar | zenzelezz: How are they going to do that if they're not cyberpunk now? |
| 19:05.21 | Dagmar | What they're calling cyberpunk is about as CP as fucking Green Day is "punk" |
| 19:05.25 | zenzelezz | Dagmar: because they think punk is, like, totally out, dude |
| 19:05.39 | Dagmar | zenzelezz: Probbaly because they were told that Green Day was punk |
| 19:05.50 | zenzelezz | Dagmar: good point |
| 19:06.08 | Lopeppeppy | OMG, they aren't? *gasp* |
| 19:06.30 | Dagmar | Lopeppeppy: I thought it was some kinda joke MTV was pulling at first |
| 19:06.40 | foxlit | gr, gametrailers. |
| 19:06.48 | foxlit | Why did you have to switch your QT streams to flash? |
| 19:06.58 | zenzelezz | how can they not be? They have weird hair and colour around the eyes! |
| 19:07.10 | Dagmar | foxlit: Because you still had some spare CPU cycles that weren't being used for video playbck |
| 19:07.48 | cbreak | some guy wants to build Babbage's analytical machine. |
| 19:07.56 | zenzelezz | I always feel VLC does a better job than Flash playing FLV files |
| 19:07.58 | cbreak | that's true steam punk :) |
| 19:08.09 | nicoli_s | vlc is just better at it all |
| 19:08.21 | cbreak | zenzelezz: those are usually not flash files, but h.264 or flv encoded video |
| 19:08.24 | Dagmar | VLC's hardware accelleration could stand to be improved |
| 19:08.56 | zenzelezz | cbreak: ssh, we're bashing Flash, accuracy isn't important |
| 19:11.35 | cbreak | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/10/05/analytical_engine_build_call/ |
| 19:13.15 | Dagmar | fucking loonies |
| 19:13.24 | Dagmar | "And what a great educational resource so that people can understand how computers work." |
| 19:13.29 | Dagmar | Load. Of. Bollox. |
| 19:13.45 | cbreak | I think it's cool. |
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| 19:14.04 | Dagmar | Let me correct that... "and what a great educational resource so that [old] people can [pretend to] understand how computers work." |
| 19:14.05 | cbreak | it's probably the first turing complete computer ever designed |
| 19:14.21 | cbreak | dozens of years before turing was even born |
| 19:14.24 | jnwhiteh | Shefki: Either the version on wowinterface, or Curse? |
| 19:14.27 | Dagmar | He should just admit it's a fetish and go with that |
| 19:14.52 | cbreak | and the funny thing is: computers still work with the exact same principles |
| 19:15.17 | cbreak | just with electricity instead of mechanics, and tones of abstraction layers more, and millions of times more complexity |
| 19:15.41 | amro | also more practical. |
| 19:16.30 | jnwhiteh | Shefki: that make sense? |
| 19:17.00 | Shefki | jnwhiteh: Yeah I saw you'd posted the new revamped version as your 4.0.x version after I asked. |
| 19:17.17 | Shefki | jnwhiteh: Wasn't sure if you were going to have the transitional one you had for beta or not. |
| 19:18.29 | Funkeh` | could someone delete this project: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=9222 |
| 19:19.00 | durcyn | who'd want to see a display of [Ammo] anyway |
| 19:19.19 | Funkeh` | i think that joke was done yesterday |
| 19:19.24 | durcyn | oh, well. |
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| 19:21.06 | foxlit | tbh, lego turing machine > * |
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| 19:25.20 | Fisker | anyone seen stage 4 for EU yet? |
| 19:26.02 | nevcairiel | stage4 is rather small, the big part is the streaming after the initial patch |
| 19:26.12 | nevcairiel | and that wont be up until tomorrow |
| 19:26.17 | nevcairiel | so dont worry :P |
| 19:28.13 | ckknight | Funkeh`: but ammo's important! |
| 19:28.37 | ckknight | I should request 4.0 support |
| 19:29.07 | Fisker | it will be up before tomorrow most likely nevcairiel |
| 19:29.23 | nevcairiel | tomorrow is just 2.5 hours away |
| 19:29.26 | nevcairiel | so .. maybe not |
| 19:29.38 | Fisker | it's probably already up |
| 19:33.48 | Mirrormn | wow, 4.76gb |
| 19:33.59 | Mirrormn | this must contain a lot of cata content |
| 19:34.34 | Torhal | Mirrormn: Nah, it's ports of a bunch of EverQuest expansions. |
| 19:34.38 | Torhal | :D |
| 19:34.45 | Dagmar | *FUCK* you |
| 19:34.52 | Torhal | cackles. |
| 19:35.01 | Dagmar | I'd fly to Cali just to beat someone's ass for that |
| 19:35.02 | cbreak | Mirrormn: It contains many digits of Pi |
| 19:35.07 | Dagmar | herhre |
| 19:35.19 | cbreak | (and no, the Pi is not a lie) |
| 19:35.35 | Torhal | Dagmar: I still laugh when I think about an old guildie saying "Outland is just WoW's version of Luclin." |
| 19:35.37 | Dagmar | I imagine ther'es probbaly a lot of other people who'd show up at Blizzcon with blood in their eye for something like that |
| 19:35.38 | Dagmar | heh |
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| 19:35.44 | Dagmar | Torhal: They lie. |
| 19:35.50 | Torhal | I know that :) |
| 19:35.57 | Dagmar | Torhal: Or they never played Luclin |
| 19:35.59 | Torhal | I played EQ from 2000 - 2003 |
| 19:36.36 | Dagmar | Ah so you know the time period when I not only quit, but told several people on the phone "Fuck you guys" |
| 19:36.50 | Mirrormn | I like when people try to tell me that if you wrote out Pi in binary, it would contain any finite computer program they care to mention |
| 19:37.08 | Dagmar | Having the class I played nerfed to the point where I couldn't solo for XP and obviously couldn't even buy a group to get XP, I was furious |
| 19:37.27 | alestane | Ah, the infinite monkeys theory. |
| 19:38.04 | Mirrormn | I mean, even if it is true (which admittedly it could very well be), it's such a ridiculously pointless thing to say |
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| 19:39.01 | Mirrormn | also it seems like they're always trying to tell me that Pi can contain an infinite amount of random information *only* if you convert it to binary |
| 19:39.35 | Dagmar | It will |
| 19:39.51 | Dagmar | (wrong chan) |
| 19:39.51 | Torhal | Dagmar: Yah, Sony took the old DIKU MUD thinking of "Lets make shit difficult, because that's fun!" to a new extreme. |
| 19:40.01 | Dagmar | They have a wack idea about WTF random means |
| 19:40.15 | Dagmar | Torhal; Actually I think it was the "listening to our customers" shit |
| 19:40.22 | foxlit | Dagmar: "without a repeating pattern" |
| 19:40.27 | Dagmar | There were too many people complaining that wizards could two-shot them |
| 19:40.48 | Torhal | I remember reading in the patch notes that they were "encouraging grouping" |
| 19:41.00 | Dagmar | ...so in the interests of keeping the vocal minority of PvPers happy, they just kept nerfing wizard damage across the board |
| 19:43.06 | Dagmar | I hit 54 and leveling *stopped*. There was nothing I could kill that would give me XP, because I would be OOM before the mob died. |
| 19:43.26 | Dagmar | ...and their response to this on the forums was "find a group" |
| 19:44.38 | Mirrormn | actually, isn't the definition of random that you cannot use the previous elements in the series to predict what the next element will be? |
| 19:46.39 | Fisker | ~wowalert |
| 19:46.39 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 19:47.59 | cbreak | Mirrormn: no |
| 19:49.34 | cbreak | that's just unpredictable :) |
| 19:50.03 | cbreak | pseudo random numbers are not predictable, but they are also not random |
| 19:50.25 | Dagmar | "Just beause it confuses you doesn't mean it's magic" |
| 19:50.52 | Mirrormn | I thought the reason that they are defined as pseudo-random as opposed to truely random is that if you do enough work (discover the generation algorithm and seed), then you can predict the outcome |
| 19:51.14 | cbreak | yes... but you can't predict it |
| 19:51.17 | cbreak | for practical reasons |
| 19:51.21 | Lopeppeppy | you can always predict an outcome, but will you be correct? :) |
| 19:51.29 | cbreak | ... yes... |
| 19:51.37 | cbreak | just think of the following algorithm |
| 19:51.56 | cbreak | I send you the numbers from 0 onwards |
| 19:52.04 | cbreak | AES encrypted with a key you don't have |
| 19:52.12 | cbreak | it will look random to you |
| 19:52.13 | cbreak | but it's not |
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| 19:53.34 | Lunessa | I love patch tuesday from Microsfot. |
| 19:53.47 | alestane | Microsfot? |
| 19:53.59 | Mirrormn | Mikro's fat |
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| 19:55.12 | Fisker | alestane |
| 19:55.17 | Fisker | i totally owned the CM's |
| 19:55.27 | Fisker | since they couldn't figure out megabit vs. megabyte |
| 19:55.56 | durcyn | "totally owned" might be slightly hyperbolic |
| 19:56.06 | Fisker | not sure |
| 19:56.08 | pnorman | I head out to puralator to pick up a new intel network card, and come home to a package from them with RAM |
| 19:56.38 | cbreak | Some blue actually said he'd forward my "alleged" issue with sc2 to the devs... :) |
| 19:57.00 | pnorman | Reboot time, new hardware! |
| 19:58.05 | foxlit | cbreak: "I lose more often than I win" is not an issue ;) |
| 19:58.43 | cbreak | "Starcraft 2 does not start when the computer has ran for more than 2^31 seconds" is the issue. |
| 19:58.47 | Lunessa | cog|work: http://www.startribune.com/entertainment/popcrush/104794979.html |
| 19:58.56 | cbreak | has run I mean |
| 19:58.59 | foxlit | pfft. |
| 19:59.01 | cbreak | stupid irregular verb |
| 19:59.03 | foxlit | lua> 2^31/3600/24 |
| 19:59.04 | lua_bot | foxlit: 24855.134814815 |
| 19:59.17 | foxlit | Reboot already. |
| 19:59.29 | cbreak | I had to :( |
| 19:59.34 | foxlit | lua> 24855/365 |
| 19:59.34 | lua_bot | foxlit: 68.095890410959 |
| 19:59.40 | foxlit | You messed up. |
| 19:59.53 | cbreak | yeah... I meant milliseconds |
| 20:00.11 | foxlit | pesky prefixes :) |
| 20:00.36 | cbreak | SI prefixes. :) |
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| 20:08.22 | DWSR | we up yet? |
| 20:08.38 | Maldivia | depending on who/what "we" is |
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| 20:08.49 | durcyn | another hour on the first extension |
| 20:08.49 | Lopeppeppy | and your definition of "up" |
| 20:08.53 | durcyn | take a nap. |
| 20:09.16 | cbreak | the states are cataclysming? |
| 20:09.35 | DWSR | durcyn: Yeah. |
| 20:09.41 | DWSR | I was hoping to, you know, be able to play. |
| 20:09.42 | Maldivia | by gosh, that Positively Cataclysmic |
| 20:09.48 | DWSR | But who am I kidding? This is major patch. |
| 20:09.52 | DWSR | Expect Delays (tm). |
| 20:10.09 | Maldivia | DWSR: latest update say 2pm PST, so in 45 minutes |
| 20:10.23 | DWSR | Maldivia: Which really means 2 hours and 45 minutes. ;) |
| 20:10.29 | DWSR | At least this isn't valve time we're talking about, though |
| 20:10.39 | DWSR | anyone have a list of the UI changes that 4.0.1 brings? |
| 20:10.51 | Maldivia | DWSR: but don't worry, the servers will be up Soon(tm) |
| 20:11.01 | Maldivia | kd3 has send out his mail, afaik |
| 20:11.15 | kd3 | I did |
| 20:11.22 | kd3 | two of them, in fact |
| 20:11.34 | Maldivia | 13154 and 13164 ? |
| 20:11.56 | DWSR | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valve_Corporation#.22Valve_Time.22 |
| 20:12.04 | DWSR | btw, for anyone who doesn't know what Valve Time is. |
| 20:12.37 | kd3 | points to http://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Valve_Time |
| 20:12.48 | Maldivia | baah |
| 20:12.52 | Maldivia | was about to link the same :P |
| 20:13.27 | Xyphoid | traditionally you just paste it and pretend the other link hadn't arrived on your screen yet |
| 20:13.43 | Maldivia | DWSR: but according to my sources, the 2pm should be sound :P |
| 20:18.32 | DWSR | OH MY GOD, THE PATCH IS 4GB? |
| 20:18.41 | Maldivia | DWSR: the pre-patch is 4.6 |
| 20:18.48 | Maldivia | the actual patch after that is 1.3 |
| 20:18.54 | DWSR | What the FUCK? |
| 20:18.56 | Maldivia | so 6gb totak |
| 20:19.03 | Maldivia | total* |
| 20:19.17 | Dagmar | I already emailed network security at the office reminding them |
| 20:19.18 | DWSR | Blizzard, plz2compress. |
| 20:19.30 | DWSR | Dagmar: That it was WoW patch day? |
| 20:19.31 | Maldivia | DWSR: there's a reason they offer background downloader |
| 20:19.34 | Dagmar | Dwsr: It's the sheer volume of stuff it's grabbing |
| 20:19.49 | DWSR | Maldivia: Yeah, for some reason mine doesn't work though. |
| 20:19.52 | Dagmar | DWSR: Yes, because a lot of people are probably going to go flying over the 10Gb a day limit that they get warnings about the users at |
| 20:19.59 | cbreak | that's almost half an hour of downloading at least :/ |
| 20:20.06 | DWSR | The normal downloader works 100% correctly, but the background downloader never stops "Waiting..." |
| 20:20.15 | DWSR | Dagmar: rofl. |
| 20:20.27 | Maldivia | DWSR: just use the torrent it puts in the Cache folder, and download it using a normal torrent client? |
| 20:20.40 | DWSR | Maldivia: Yeah, thought about that. |
| 20:20.44 | Dagmar | Maldivia: That won't really help much |
| 20:20.45 | DWSR | Then I just went to bed. |
| 20:21.04 | Maldivia | Dagmar: well, at least you can cap a normal torrent client! |
| 20:21.22 | Dagmar | Blizz's aims for 80% from the look of it |
| 20:21.23 | cbreak | what is so bad about a warning? |
| 20:21.36 | Dagmar | cbreak: We're likely to get hundreds of them |
| 20:21.40 | Grum | are the us realms up already? |
| 20:21.51 | cbreak | "we"? |
| 20:21.55 | Maldivia | Grum: sort of |
| 20:22.07 | Grum | if so, could anyone check what happened with the gem-vendor (for honor) |
| 20:22.10 | Grum | is that one still there? |
| 20:22.12 | Dagmar | cbreak: Vanderbilt University |
| 20:22.17 | Dagmar | We kinda have a big LAN |
| 20:22.27 | cbreak | Dagmar: some torrent clients have local peer discovery |
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| 20:22.33 | cbreak | or just make a local mirror |
| 20:22.58 | Maldivia | Grum: they aren'y up to the public yet :) |
| 20:23.04 | Dagmar | cbreak: Just the same, someone pumping more than 10Gb a day results in their IP being put on "a list" |
| 20:23.14 | cbreak | even network internal? |
| 20:23.17 | Dagmar | Yep. |
| 20:23.20 | cbreak | stupid. |
| 20:23.21 | Grum | Maldivia: dang |
| 20:23.28 | Dewin | 2 hours later and I'm still installing. (Not downloading, that was done a long time ago) >.> |
| 20:23.32 | Dagmar | ...because until today it was just about a certainty that they were pirating some shit |
| 20:23.34 | DWSR | Is there a list of all the UI changes. |
| 20:23.45 | Dagmar | It's not stupid |
| 20:23.53 | DWSR | Dagmar: <insert Lazy Town clip here> |
| 20:24.06 | cbreak | you could whitelist bit torrent :) |
| 20:24.18 | DWSR | Dagmar: What if I'm constantly downloading Linux distros for testing purposes? |
| 20:24.22 | Dagmar | cbreak: LOL Like that's going to happen |
| 20:24.30 | Dagmar | It's throttled at the gateways at least |
| 20:24.50 | Dagmar | DWSR: You and I both know you'd be working hard at it to blow past a 10Gb barrier at that |
| 20:24.52 | Maldivia | Dagmar: whitelist edgesuite.net - that's the main hosting site for blizzard patches? |
| 20:24.58 | DWSR | Dagmar: Actually, probably not. |
| 20:24.59 | cbreak | hmm. |
| 20:25.01 | Lunessa | mmmm... pre-release viewing tix for Tron |
| 20:25.05 | DWSR | Lunessa: WANT |
| 20:25.14 | Arrowmaster | damn and i hit 38gb just yesterday |
| 20:25.18 | Arrowmaster | Lunessa: TAKE ME |
| 20:25.19 | Lunessa | tickets.tronnight2010.com |
| 20:25.22 | cbreak | seems I have had 110Gb up and 30Gb down in the last two days and four hours. |
| 20:25.44 | DWSR | Dagmar: Alternatively, what about if I work at a music studio or are working on a video editing project? |
| 20:25.51 | DWSR | I can eat 10GB of bandwidth in 6 hours. |
| 20:26.38 | DWSR | s/are/am/ |
| 20:26.38 | Dagmar | DWSR: Then you're not likely a student here are ya |
| 20:26.47 | DWSR | Dagmar: Part time |
| 20:27.07 | DWSR | Dagmar: I'm saying, it's not out of the realm of possibility. Heavy-handed network shaping like that is dumb. |
| 20:27.26 | Dagmar | It's not "heavy-handed". |
| 20:27.52 | cbreak | the students at the university I was studying at had network home shares |
| 20:27.53 | Dagmar | We don't have to guess at as many things as you might expect because we've deifnitely got historical use data recorded for months and months |
| 20:27.58 | cbreak | so anything they did was network traffic |
| 20:28.58 | DWSR | That you meter internal traffic is really silly. |
| 20:29.03 | DWSR | It's all free. |
| 20:29.14 | cbreak | I would at most measure it at the gateway |
| 20:29.33 | DWSR | I can understand 10GB of external traffic, but like =\ |
| 20:29.50 | cbreak | yeah, 10GB si tiny :/ |
| 20:29.54 | DWSR | Does the LAN cover the dorms? |
| 20:29.55 | cbreak | barely a season of an anime series |
| 20:29.56 | Dagmar | dwsr: It's all free, but sizeable jumps in it would signify something's gone wrong. Plus, it's still QUITE EASY for a dozen people to start saturating backbones across campus |
| 20:30.14 | Dagmar | DWSR: Yes, 100b-T connections to every room. |
| 20:30.22 | DWSR | Dagmar: Yeah, see, 10GB is nothing. |
| 20:30.34 | Dagmar | 10gb through the gateway used to just get you blacklisted on the spot |
| 20:30.37 | DWSR | I'd have my music library on a network share and just stream from there. |
| 20:30.59 | alestane | Be afraid, Lunessa: http://textsfromlastnight.com/Text-Replies-21396.html |
| 20:31.25 | Arrowmaster | Lunessa: thats only for a 20 minute preview! |
| 20:31.26 | Lunessa | alestane: Someone give that kid a job in food science. |
| 20:31.30 | DWSR | ^ |
| 20:32.10 | Lunessa | Arrowmaster: 20 minutes of AWESOME |
| 20:32.24 | DWSR | Dagmar: And also, if a dozen people can saturate your backbones, you need to redesign your network or upgrade your infrastructure. |
| 20:32.35 | Arrowmaster | hmm 1 hour drive to theater, 1 hour wait, 20 minutes of AWESOME, 1 hour drive home |
| 20:32.37 | Dagmar | HAHAH no |
| 20:32.38 | Arrowmaster | might be worth it |
| 20:32.47 | kd3 | whoo; they just pushed it back to 1600PDT |
| 20:32.53 | DWSR | Yep. |
| 20:32.56 | DWSR | 2 hours and 45 minutes. |
| 20:32.57 | DWSR | I win. |
| 20:32.59 | kd3 | 2 more hours until my betting window comes in to play |
| 20:33.03 | Lunessa | The theater for me is really close to my house. |
| 20:33.08 | kd3 | c'mon 1800-1900! |
| 20:33.09 | Dagmar | DWSR: Dude I can personally saturate any network that's not misdesigned. What you say about a dozen people is just silly |
| 20:33.33 | kd3 | I think I'm going to take this opportunity to install f14 |
| 20:33.47 | Dagmar | Granted, I know specifically how to saturate it, but part of the issue is that no network is laid out for everyone to use maximum throughput all the time |
| 20:34.10 | Dagmar | No one even makes switches like that that I'm awware of |
| 20:34.21 | DWSR | Dagmar: You're much smarter than the average Joe, and it's rather easy (from an administrative standpoint), to stop such things manually. |
| 20:34.52 | DWSR | And it's difficult to do accidentally. |
| 20:35.06 | DWSR | So you know whoever's doing that is actually being an idiot. |
| 20:35.12 | Dagmar | Yeah but a few kids running amok with BitTorrent can do it with a few mouse clicks. |
| 20:35.22 | Dagmar | ...and remember JUST HOW STUPID most people are when it comes to piracy. |
| 20:35.36 | Dagmar | They've no sense of restraint whatsoever. |
| 20:35.46 | DWSR | s/when it comes to piracy//. |
| 20:35.51 | Dagmar | Every year there's a statistical number of freshmen who get their connection yanked in the first week |
| 20:36.11 | cbreak | you make that sound as if it's a bad thing |
| 20:36.18 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: i would get it yanked the first day without doing anything illegal! |
| 20:36.23 | Dagmar | ...and a statistical number of them who get it yanked rather firmly because they ignore the warnings and think that turning on encryption will mean a damn thing |
| 20:36.36 | DWSR | What Arrowmaster said. |
| 20:37.09 | Dagmar | cbreak: ...being that a smaller fraction of them get their connections yanked for trying to nmap the entire goddamn network, yeah, it ain't exactly good. ;) |
| 20:37.22 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 20:37.28 | DWSR | hahaha |
| 20:37.32 | Dagmar | Campus networks are _dirty_ |
| 20:37.35 | cbreak | you should upload the network map on the wiki |
| 20:37.44 | cbreak | that'd stop that problem |
| 20:38.00 | Dagmar | Actually I tell them to go talk to someone in network engineering. |
| 20:38.15 | Dagmar | We are a school, after all, and most of the engineers will give all kindas tours when asked |
| 20:38.33 | Galvin | whats a good way to get the word out for my mod? |
| 20:38.48 | DWSR | lol, you could probably design a way to detect an nmap rather easily and just kick the computer off with a nice message telling them to visit the network engineers.\ |
| 20:38.48 | Arrowmaster | Galvin: is it a good mod? |
| 20:38.53 | Galvin | yeah |
| 20:38.58 | DWSR | Galvin: Probably via Curse or WoWI |
| 20:39.01 | alestane | Why do you need ot get the word out for your mod? |
| 20:39.21 | DWSR | btw, who here's staff at WoWWiki? |
| 20:39.22 | alestane | If it's a good solution, it will be adopted eventually. |
| 20:39.25 | Galvin | well been up on curse for 2 or so weeks maybe longer only has around 60 downloads. figure not many know about it. |
| 20:39.35 | DWSR | Galvin: If it's good, it'll spread by word of mouth |
| 20:39.43 | Galvin | spent 100s of hours on it was far from an easy project :) |
| 20:39.48 | DWSR | Link? |
| 20:39.58 | Galvin | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/galvins-unitbars.aspx |
| 20:40.15 | Dagmar | DWSR: We already have that. It's called "WTF? My connection doesn't work anymore" |
| 20:40.28 | Dagmar | ...and rather frequently those guys get *me* on the phone when they start calling to find out why |
| 20:41.18 | DWSR | Galvin: Meh. |
| 20:41.23 | DWSR | Does it support LSM? |
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| 20:41.29 | Galvin | yes |
| 20:41.56 | Galvin | in configurability it blows away statusbars2 |
| 20:42.03 | DWSR | I'll bookmark it, in case I come across a need for it. |
| 20:42.08 | DWSR | I'm going to have to redesign my interface. |
| 20:42.08 | Arrowmaster | never heard of statusbars2 |
| 20:42.09 | DWSR | Wee! |
| 20:42.32 | Galvin | probably why, I dont like mods that dont let you configure much. |
| 20:45.42 | Antiarc | The file "F:\Program Files (x86)\World of Warcraft\Data\sound.MPQ.temp" could not be opened. (OpenRepackTarget::Execute) |
| 20:45.43 | Antiarc | :( |
| 20:46.05 | durcyn | you have two and a half hours before it matters anyway |
| 20:46.33 | Fisker | deploy stage 4 Antiarc |
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| 20:52.53 | foxlit | LSM = Lazy Spaghetti Monster? |
| 20:53.25 | DWSR | LibSharedMedia. |
| 20:54.15 | DWSR | Also, Levitating Spaghetti Monster |
| 20:54.44 | Dewin | Galvin: Hmm. I might be using that. :) |
| 20:54.51 | dankna | so, will we need ItsAllCogwheelsFault on live when it's back up? I suppose nobody knows the answer to that :D |
| 20:55.06 | Dewin | Do you need it on PTR? |
| 20:55.06 | nevcairiel | its been fixed for quite a while now |
| 20:55.24 | dankna | I have no idea, I don't fancy wasting disk space for PTR. |
| 20:55.26 | Dewin | Until someone ressurects Shadowed Unit Frames and adds the various power bars, anyways |
| 20:55.38 | dankna | good, thanks |
| 20:56.02 | Maldivia | it's not needed on live, ther's no gm-client check :) |
| 20:56.11 | dankna | haha fair :) |
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| 21:02.06 | Fisker | back in the days you didn't need a gm-client for those ommands already in the client |
| 21:02.09 | Fisker | jerk Blizzard |
| 21:03.51 | Kraps | demi lovato's songs are backed by electric guitar; miley cyrus' are not *passes out from exhaustion* |
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| 21:06.24 | Dagmar | Kraps: I suppose we'll take your word on it, being the expert in Miley Cyrus songs and all. |
| 21:06.59 | Kraps | thanks for the vote of confidence |
| 21:07.37 | DWSR | lol |
| 21:07.50 | DWSR | Does anyone have a list of all of the interface changes in 4.x? |
| 21:08.04 | DWSR | Not the API/macro changes, just the UI ones. |
| 21:08.21 | dankna | not that I'm aware |
| 21:08.41 | Antiarc | kd3 sends out diffs per patch |
| 21:09.03 | DWSR | Antiarc: Yeah, but I'm thinking more along the lines of human readable. |
| 21:09.09 | nevcairiel | I think he wants a bullet point list of whats important :P |
| 21:09.12 | Antiarc | diffs are plenty human readable |
| 21:10.25 | DWSR | Bah. |
| 21:10.29 | DWSR | Is SUF 4.x ready or no? |
| 21:10.33 | foxlit | Doubt that they are at this transition |
| 21:10.39 | foxlit | Too much junk. |
| 21:11.03 | DWSR | ^ |
| 21:11.09 | Kraps | gotta reboot |
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| 21:13.05 | Dewin | DWSR: SUF 'works' in 4.0 from my experience, but it lacks the new UI elements (eclipse bar, etc.) |
| 21:13.11 | Dewin | Shadowed has said he's not going to work on it. |
| 21:13.19 | DWSR | Oh. :( |
| 21:13.21 | nevcairiel | it won't work for party or raid frames |
| 21:13.29 | nevcairiel | player/target etc are easy |
| 21:13.29 | DWSR | Guess that means I'm starting from ground zero. |
| 21:13.34 | Dewin | Oh. Heh. I only use it for player, target, focus, pet, and ToT |
| 21:13.57 | nevcairiel | There are some people trying to take it over |
| 21:14.03 | nevcairiel | but i'm not sure how that turns out |
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| 21:14.06 | Dewin | Shadowed did, however, reverse his earlier decision to not allow anyone else to update -- you can, as long as it identifies itself as derived from SUF and does not use that name |
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| 21:14.26 | Dewin | Maint extended to 4:00pm PDT it looks like |
| 21:14.51 | nevcairiel | The one project i just approved is by an author not previously having any addons on Curse, can't judge the experience, but i'm not seeing it yet =P |
| 21:15.09 | dankna | sweet, I'll be home from work by then |
| 21:15.13 | Dewin | nev: Does it have a name? |
| 21:15.22 | nevcairiel | http://www.wowace.com/addons/simplistic-unit-frames/ |
| 21:15.26 | nevcairiel | its not fixed yet either |
| 21:15.28 | nevcairiel | but shrug |
| 21:15.56 | Dewin | Hmm. Shadowed had said that it can't use the same addon folder name either and that *might*, but that might have changed |
| 21:16.13 | nevcairiel | it can't |
| 21:16.23 | nevcairiel | but the name wasnt SUF, it was written out |
| 21:16.24 | nevcairiel | afaik |
| 21:16.28 | Dewin | ah. |
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| 21:16.43 | Dewin | Silly requirement IMHO, since now importing settings between the two is a hassle |
| 21:16.54 | nevcairiel | just go into WTF and rename the file |
| 21:17.02 | nevcairiel | its written in the comments on the wowace page there |
| 21:17.03 | Dewin | Hmm. Sure I suppose :) |
| 21:17.54 | nevcairiel | Its his name in the addon name, i wouldnt want anyone else taking that name |
| 21:18.24 | Dewin | Oh. I misremembered the folder as just being SUF. It is not. |
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| 21:20.10 | Antiarc | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGDPgDc6dn8 |
| 21:21.35 | Kraps | yay its working |
| 21:22.34 | Kraps | Antiarc: howd he do that? |
| 21:22.45 | Antiarc | Heck if I know but it's hilarious |
| 21:23.08 | Dewin | "LK is an unlock at lvl 71 in quickplay+ and yes this is me lol" is from some of the comments |
| 21:25.28 | Shirik | I love my professor |
| 21:25.49 | Cide | is she hot? |
| 21:26.21 | Shirik | looking at a test he returned, I see on it a big fat X on something then he scratched it out and wrote "<s>Missing data</s> I see it on your scratch paper!!" |
| 21:26.34 | Shirik | I didn't copy correctly from scratch to final, so he gave me full credit anyway |
| 21:26.46 | Cide | nice |
| 21:28.35 | Shirik | ... |
| 21:28.37 | Shirik | I love my class too |
| 21:28.58 | Shirik | Professor: "How are data ports and event data ports similar?" Classmate: "Data ports are synchronous and event data ports are asynchronous?" |
| 21:29.12 | Shirik | Professor stares at him for a few seconds |
| 21:29.16 | Cide | lol |
| 21:29.17 | Cide | nice similarity |
| 21:31.32 | Dewin | nev: YHou're associated with curse? |
| 21:31.49 | Lunessa | You know... someone totally ought to do a gimmick band in LK armor. |
| 21:32.56 | DWSR | Level 80 King of the Damned? |
| 21:33.50 | Dewin | They should cover http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5T5qDRxbpM |
| 21:34.20 | DWSR | Or someone could just do a machinima. |
| 21:34.41 | Lunessa | They could open with lots of dry ice and smoke, a deep rumbling sound and the phrase "There must always be a Lich King" before bursting into serious thrash metal beats. |
| 21:35.08 | DWSR | YES. |
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| 21:35.11 | DWSR | ZP did Halo: Reach |
| 21:35.39 | Arrowmaster | ZP videos dont like to play in the new flashplayer square beta |
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| 21:37.18 | p3lim | how do I delete a remote branch? (git) |
| 21:38.00 | Cide | you ssh in and rm -rf |
| 21:38.05 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:38.09 | Cide | or if you just want to delete the remote.. git remote rm <name> |
| 21:38.34 | Arrowmaster | p3lim: git push origin :branch |
| 21:38.50 | Shirik | what's with the :? |
| 21:38.58 | Arrowmaster | always ignore Cide when it comes to git, Shirik too |
| 21:39.02 | p3lim | yeah, I tried that, got this: error: Could not remove config section 'remote.branchname' |
| 21:39.03 | Shirik | wtf did I do |
| 21:39.10 | Cide | yeah I'm awful :( |
| 21:39.21 | Shirik | I never said any ssh crap |
| 21:39.26 | Vangual | signals push nothing into branch named branch |
| 21:39.50 | Vangual | weird syntax but works fine |
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| 21:40.02 | Shirik | seriously Arrowmaster what does the colon do |
| 21:40.09 | Arrowmaster | what Vangual said |
| 21:40.16 | p3lim | yeah, that worked :) |
| 21:40.16 | Shirik | push nothing? |
| 21:40.20 | p3lim | yeah |
| 21:40.22 | Shirik | what does that even mean o.o; |
| 21:40.26 | p3lim | force push even with no commits |
| 21:40.31 | Vangual | it's usually source:dest branch name, just.. without source in that occasion |
| 21:40.31 | Shirik | oh |
| 21:40.32 | Shirik | ok |
| 21:40.36 | Fisker | i want stage 4 Shirik |
| 21:40.37 | jnwhiteh | push an empty ref to the remote ref |
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| 21:40.39 | Arrowmaster | its local:remote so if you leave off the local and make it just :remote it pushes nothing into the remote branch of that name |
| 21:40.47 | Shirik | ok |
| 21:40.52 | p3lim | it worked perfectly ;) |
| 21:40.55 | p3lim | thanks Arrowmaster |
| 21:41.25 | Arrowmaster | it makes perfect sense once you understand it |
| 21:41.35 | Shirik | yeah it makes sense |
| 21:41.50 | Arrowmaster | it makes no sense at all until you understand it though |
| 21:42.21 | Kraps | OMG http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtbrLIwKWWA |
| 21:43.06 | Fisker | stage 4 Kraps |
| 21:43.08 | Fisker | i want it now |
| 21:43.10 | Lunessa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNtORr6RsJ4 |
| 21:43.14 | Kraps | eh? |
| 21:43.32 | Fisker | now |
| 21:44.22 | Sixen | o/ Lawdnessa |
| 21:44.25 | Kraps | why Lunessa :( |
| 21:45.03 | Lunessa | I like robot stories. |
| 21:45.30 | sylvanaar | Shirik: can you move ACP out of the Cata section into misc or utilities or something |
| 21:45.30 | Lunessa | Sorry. The URLS were different and I didn't click Kraps' link |
| 21:45.37 | Shirik | link please |
| 21:46.22 | Kraps | story hmmf |
| 21:46.27 | sylvanaar | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info17869-AddonControlPanel.html |
| 21:46.32 | sylvanaar | put in misc i guess |
| 21:47.32 | Kraps | "Notice: "Multiplayer requires launching the single-player game first" lol? |
| 21:47.52 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 21:47.56 | Kraps | did anyone here buy MOH? |
| 21:47.59 | Fisker | even though i owned some blues they won't change their post |
| 21:48.03 | Fisker | hopefully not Kraps |
| 21:48.17 | Kraps | i will destroy you Fisker |
| 21:48.46 | Fisker | we can't support companies that go Team Opposing Force vs. Team Freedom Force |
| 21:49.11 | Kraps | lol |
| 21:49.26 | Kraps | but everyone does that |
| 21:49.28 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 21:49.49 | Arrowmaster | http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2010/10/09virtual06.jpg |
| 21:49.57 | Shirik | sylvanaar: {{done}} |
| 21:50.00 | alestane | U.S. military has been enjoined to cease enforcing DADT: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101012/ap_on_re_us/us_gays_in_military |
| 21:50.00 | Maldivia | Lunessa: ok, that music video was really great! (and I adore Fran Kranz!) |
| 21:50.21 | Lunessa | Kraps linked it first, but... yeah. It was pretty sweet. |
| 21:50.36 | Kraps | no i didnt |
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| 21:50.37 | Lunessa | I heard about it from Felicia Day's tweet. |
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| 21:51.02 | Lunessa | Oy. Colloqy fails me. |
| 21:51.09 | Fisker | Kraps well i'm ok with people designing a game with 1 imaginary military force(The US) vs. another imaginary military force (Russia or Middle Eastern faction) |
| 21:51.28 | Fisker | My problem is making the game US vs. the Taliban, then caving into peer pressure and changing it |
| 21:52.29 | Kraps | man everyone has moral issues with gaming |
| 21:52.30 | Fisker | The fact that even someone has an issue with it just illustrates todays hypocrisy |
| 21:52.45 | Fisker | Same with the mohammed drawings we made |
| 21:52.54 | sylvanaar | Shirik: thanks |
| 21:52.55 | Fisker | Everybody was like "OMG LOL FREEDOM OF SPEECH" |
| 21:53.01 | Fisker | Then they started burning our flags |
| 21:53.10 | Fisker | "OMG YOU FAGS YOU CAN'T DO THAT!1" |
| 21:53.20 | ranguvar | hehe, yeah |
| 21:53.39 | Shirik | agree |
| 21:54.10 | Fisker | Even more hilarious was it when someone made a drawing depicting the danish royals having sex it was "Free speech? Free speech is ok when you're not just being offensive" |
| 21:54.18 | Fisker | rage and so forth. |
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| 21:56.32 | Torhal | draws a picture of Fisker on Fisker. |
| 21:56.49 | Kraps | all i want to know is if people are buying MOH and assassins creed and all i'm getting are speeches about companies caving in and restrictive DRM :( |
| 21:59.29 | DWSR | Kraps: Incomplete sentence. |
| 21:59.54 | Kraps | where? |
| 22:00.13 | DWSR | Ah, nevermind. |
| 22:00.17 | DWSR | Tired eyes, sorry. I misread. |
| 22:01.01 | Cide | technically "Incomplete sentence." is an incomplete sentence, I believe |
| 22:01.42 | Kraps | look whats out in 2 days http://store.steampowered.com/app/58510/ |
| 22:01.54 | Dagmar | STILL no bundle deal! |
| 22:02.16 | Kraps | didnt the first one suck terribly? |
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| 22:02.23 | Dagmar | Nope |
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| 22:02.32 | Dagmar | Oh wait |
| 22:02.35 | Lunessa | Free Speech is free speech. It's hard to be for it and also be fore restricting it. 'Hate' speech, 'inflammatory' speech, insulting speech, etc. If you want it for one kind of speech, you have to support it for all kinds of speech, and that's a bitter pill for people to swallow. So most of us end up hypocrites. |
| 22:02.39 | Dagmar | I thouhgt you were talking about Fallout: New Vegas |
| 22:02.41 | Dagmar | NEvermind |
| 22:02.47 | *** part/#wowuidev ranguvar (~ranguvar@unaffiliated/ranguvar) |
| 22:05.27 | DWSR | Lunessa: As far as I'm concerned, words are words. |
| 22:05.32 | DWSR | Whether or not you get offended by them is up to you. |
| 22:05.39 | Lunessa | *nod* |
| 22:05.44 | DWSR | And I'm all for free speech. All of it. |
| 22:05.51 | DWSR | And fuck what the haters say, they need to get off that haterade. |
| 22:06.08 | Lunessa | Attemps to control what people say are attempts to control what people think. |
| 22:06.15 | DWSR | ^ |
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| 22:06.43 | Dagmar | Unless they're a member of the Tea Party |
| 22:06.55 | Dagmar | No attempts are being made to think there, correctly or otherwise. |
| 22:09.04 | p3lim | hm, whats wrong with this .gitmodules file? http://github.com/p3lim/Broker_Equipment/blob/cata/.gitmodules |
| 22:09.07 | ZorbaBeta | lunessa, I think there's some slight exceptions to that that aren't really problematical to except, though. Like yelling fire in a crowded theater, or planning to go commit some crimes |
| 22:11.00 | Lunessa | ZorbaBeta: *nod* And there's always stuff that's just plain foolish or evil to do, or places to do it in that seem like they should be free speech but really are people just being giant wankers. |
| 22:11.10 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, definitely |
| 22:12.05 | Lunessa | Like yelling "Jump!" to someone standing on the ledge or a tall building, or raining down racial slurs in some neighborhoods. |
| 22:12.54 | Kraps | the latter just gets you killed |
| 22:12.56 | Lunessa | But still, I don't think there should be laws that prevent you from thinking and expressing ideas, dissent, disagreement, or stupidity just because some class of people don't like them. |
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| 22:14.05 | Lunessa | On the other hand, I'm not for handing everyone a megaphone or printing press or TV time just 'cause they want to make sure I heard them. |
| 22:14.30 | ZorbaBeta | well, that's the glory of the internet: everyone can post stuff, you just have no guarantee of being heard |
| 22:14.36 | ZorbaBeta | anyway, off to work, back in a while :) |
| 22:14.38 | Lunessa | So, yeah. It's one of those issues where my desire to be rational and equitable runs afoul of my inner nature from time to time. |
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| 22:19.34 | p3lim | I really don't see the issue with my .gitmodules file :/ |
| 22:19.46 | cbreak | p3lim: issue? |
| 22:19.50 | p3lim | http://github.com/p3lim/Broker_Equipment/blob/cata/.gitmodules |
| 22:19.57 | p3lim | that file isnt working properly |
| 22:20.11 | p3lim | Must be some issue, but I can't see it |
| 22:20.18 | cbreak | describe the symptoms |
| 22:20.32 | p3lim | the external modules arent included |
| 22:20.46 | cbreak | did you do a git submodule init? |
| 22:20.53 | p3lim | hm no |
| 22:21.00 | cbreak | then a git submodule update? |
| 22:21.11 | cbreak | those are needed to get submodules into your working dir |
| 22:21.12 | p3lim | Ive used .gitmodules once earlier, and I dont recall doing htat |
| 22:21.25 | cbreak | it's needed, getting submodules is optional |
| 22:21.31 | cbreak | it's not done automatically when you clone |
| 22:21.49 | p3lim | does for an other project of mine |
| 22:22.04 | cbreak | init copies submodule settings into .git/config |
| 22:22.15 | p3lim | http://github.com/p3lim/Cassone/tree/cata |
| 22:22.18 | cbreak | update updates the submodule status to what is written in the current commit |
| 22:22.18 | p3lim | that one works |
| 22:23.10 | Kraps | Fisker: i just got what you said |
| 22:24.01 | p3lim | I tried doing git submodule init and update, no changes |
| 22:25.47 | cbreak | describe "no changes" |
| 22:25.53 | cbreak | you still have no folder for the submodules? |
| 22:26.13 | cbreak | you did do it in the repository root, right? |
| 22:30.35 | p3lim | no folders, and yes, I'm doing it in the root directory |
| 22:30.57 | cbreak | no error message? |
| 22:31.09 | cbreak | does it work if you do git submodule update --init modulename? |
| 22:31.31 | p3lim | ill try when Im done eeating |
| 22:31.43 | cbreak | (also check the entries of .git/config, maybe they are not correct) |
| 22:35.32 | p3lim | config sems ok compared to Casone (which has this working) |
| 22:35.44 | p3lim | Cassone* |
| 22:36.28 | Kraps | whats a good program to open .dat files with? |
| 22:36.42 | cbreak | hexdump |
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| 22:39.38 | Kraps | http://www.realmdance.com/ |
| 22:41.21 | kd3|netbook | the fu? |
| 22:42.41 | Kraps | the guy who made that says he had to learn "rudimentary flash" |
| 22:45.24 | p3lim | cbreak: got any other suggestions? |
| 22:45.45 | cbreak | no. that's basically it. You could try to clone your repo |
| 22:45.49 | cbreak | and try it again in the clone |
| 22:46.10 | DWSR | we get a maintenance extension notice again? |
| 22:46.13 | cbreak | I am not using submodules a lot though, maybe you have more luck if you ask in #git |
| 22:46.28 | kd3|netbook | last I heard was 1600... let's see if we're in my betting window now |
| 22:46.33 | kd3|netbook | ~wowalert |
| 22:46.34 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 22:46.34 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+qq *!*@rikers.org *!~purl@*] by EDI |
| 22:46.36 | Kraps | "We are in the final stages of completing the maintenance process and will begin bringing realms online shortly. We currently anticipate all realms will be online by 5:00PM PDT and appreciate your continued patience." |
| 22:46.43 | kd3|netbook | bad edi, bad |
| 22:46.46 | kd3|netbook | Shirik, ^ |
| 22:46.52 | DWSR | Shirik, fail. |
| 22:46.53 | Shirik | wtf |
| 22:46.57 | Shirik | it's supposed to ignore purl |
| 22:47.11 | DWSR | 5pm EDT. |
| 22:47.12 | DWSR | lol |
| 22:47.19 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-qq *!*@rikers.org *!~purl@*] by Shirik |
| 22:47.42 | Olison | What are q modes? :o |
| 22:47.45 | Maldivia | quiet |
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| 22:48.11 | DWSR | Actually, it depends on what IRCd you're on. |
| 22:48.15 | DWSR | On Freenode, it's quiet. |
| 22:48.25 | DWSR | On Unreal and some others, +q is channel owner. |
| 22:48.26 | Kraps | to remove the ptr stuff from my pc i just run uninstall in "programs and features"? |
| 22:48.30 | DWSR | Kraps: yep. |
| 22:48.38 | Maldivia | well, since we're on freenode, what other ircds uses is irrelevant |
| 22:48.45 | Olison | Oh right, nice |
| 22:49.35 | DWSR | Maldivia: It's nice to be complete when we're providing information. |
| 22:49.54 | Maldivia | DWSR: it was complete, within the context |
| 22:49.55 | DWSR | Especially since clarification in this particular instance doesn't require a Ph.D. |
| 22:50.17 | Shirik | .......... |
| 22:50.19 | Shirik | purl's ident changed |
| 22:50.26 | DWSR | Depends on what you define the context as. Regardless, we're arguing semantics. Let's just agree that both answers are right, shall we? |
| 22:50.29 | Xyphoid | if you're not on irc, then +q means 'add q' |
| 22:50.39 | DWSR | Shirik: Ah, that would make sense. |
| 22:50.45 | DWSR | Isn't purl auth'd with serviced? |
| 22:50.50 | DWSR | s/serviced/services/ |
| 22:51.01 | Xyphoid | some other definitions, while we're here - a spoon is a utensil used for eating |
| 22:51.11 | Shirik | !reload |
| 22:51.11 | EDI | Cannot reload AI. Using fail safes. ai.lua:286: '}' expected (to close '{' at line 282) near '"batbot!~batbot@batbytes.com"' |
| 22:51.26 | DWSR | bracket match fail. |
| 22:51.26 | Shirik | gd commas |
| 22:51.27 | Shirik | !reload |
| 22:51.28 | EDI | AI routines & configuration reloaded |
| 22:52.24 | DWSR | Shirik: couldn't you code in a check to see if purl is logged in as purl? |
| 22:52.42 | Shirik | that would be expensive |
| 22:52.46 | DWSR | And just recheck everytime we lose sight of purl? |
| 22:52.50 | DWSR | Not relaly. |
| 22:52.51 | DWSR | really* |
| 22:53.04 | Shirik | in a single threaded system it's not exactly trivial to do |
| 22:53.07 | DWSR | It's 1 whois everytime you lose sight of purl, which isn't frequent. |
| 22:53.18 | DWSR | Ah. |
| 22:53.30 | DWSR | Is EDI custom or on a framewor> |
| 22:53.33 | DWSR | framework* |
| 22:53.34 | Shirik | custom |
| 22:53.46 | Shirik | it might as well be a framework though |
| 22:53.51 | Shirik | I should release it sometime |
| 22:53.53 | Kraps | the launcher makes sounds when it reaches different stages :D |
| 22:54.00 | DWSR | Lucky you. |
| 22:54.12 | DWSR | I'm still on the prepatch, and my estimated time remaining when from 40 minutes to 3 hours. |
| 22:54.13 | DWSR | QQQ |
| 22:54.30 | Dewin | DWSR: wowtorrentex + real torrent client? :-p |
| 22:54.39 | DWSR | Dewin: It's not the client. |
| 22:54.49 | DWSR | Blizzard's client is actually pretty good, if not rudimentary. |
| 22:55.11 | Dewin | DWSR: I used to get extremely slow downloads with Blizzard's client and much faster ones in uTorrent. |
| 22:55.19 | Dewin | The new launcher seems much improved in that regard though |
| 22:55.23 | DWSR | Dewin: You might have bandwidth shaping on your network. |
| 22:55.42 | DWSR | I'm supposed to, but don't, since I can easily pull down close to a megabyte per second, which is 70% linespeed. |
| 22:55.42 | Kraps | getting about 1 mb/s |
| 22:55.51 | Dewin | DWSR: I'm pretty certain I don't :) |
| 22:56.10 | DWSR | Dewin: I'm not talking about your home network. |
| 22:56.12 | Dewin | and it wouldn't explain how it goes from 30kbps to 600+kbps when I change to uTorrent. |
| 22:56.15 | Maldivia | the sound in the new launcher bugs the crap out of me! |
| 22:56.39 | Kraps | its just one sound Maldivia |
| 22:56.40 | DWSR | Dewin: Yeah, it would. |
| 22:56.41 | durcyn | what kind of person actually uses the launcher? |
| 22:56.48 | A-KO | me? |
| 22:56.52 | A-KO | I use it w/o problems |
| 22:56.55 | A-KO | caps my connection every time |
| 22:57.03 | A-KO | dunno about you all |
| 22:57.04 | DWSR | Dewin: uTorrent has several encryption protocols built in, not to mention local peer discovery and a few other tricks. |
| 22:57.06 | A-KO | fail @ your internets |
| 22:57.09 | Maldivia | Kraps: it loud when you click Play |
| 22:57.12 | DWSR | A-KO: Yeah, I can get it to cap out my connection. |
| 22:57.30 | Kraps | the EULA/TOU havent changed |
| 22:57.31 | DWSR | Dewin: As I said, Blizz's client is solid but rudimentary. |
| 22:57.32 | A-KO | I just hope they're not doing the bullshit streaming thing they're doing in beta |
| 22:57.34 | A-KO | it pisses me off |
| 22:57.38 | DWSR | A-KO: I hope they do. |
| 22:57.41 | DWSR | But I hope they fix it. |
| 22:57.47 | A-KO | I fly around the fucking game world, and I see "loading, loading, loading" |
| 22:57.47 | DWSR | Knowing Blizz, that'll happen later. |
| 22:57.48 | cbreak | it's optional |
| 22:57.48 | Kraps | A-KO: are you nuts |
| 22:57.49 | Dewin | DWSR: Possible, I suppose, but even when I had most of that turned off it it still made a difference |
| 22:57.50 | cbreak | like in beta |
| 22:57.50 | A-KO | textures load dirt shit slow |
| 22:57.57 | A-KO | I've got WoW on a gd SSD |
| 22:58.19 | DWSR | Dewin: Non-standard port, different swarm subset, etc. etc. etc.et c. |
| 22:58.20 | A-KO | and I can tell you performance blows in comparison to the previous client, for loading objects, etc. |
| 22:58.42 | A-KO | often times when I first log in to beta, Orgrimmar's texturing is all sorts of screwed up |
| 22:58.52 | DWSR | Just because A works better than B doesn't mean that A is strictly better than B. |
| 22:58.53 | A-KO | all low res textures for at least a minute |
| 22:59.00 | Dewin | DWSR: Also seems like Comcast would be shooting themselves in the foot to throttle WoW's downloader :-p |
| 22:59.07 | DWSR | Dewin: This is Comcast. |
| 22:59.15 | A-KO | DWSR: I don't expect my high performance machine to choke while playing WoW like that |
| 22:59.24 | DWSR | This is WoW. |
| 22:59.29 | DWSR | Any high performance machine chokes. |
| 22:59.39 | Shirik | This is SPARTA |
| 22:59.56 | A-KO | the streaming client is good only for blizzard's bottom line..."LOOK HOW QUICKLY YOU CAN SIGN IN AND PLAY OUR CRACK GAME!" |
| 22:59.58 | DWSR | ^5s Shirik |
| 23:00.17 | DWSR | A-KO: so wait until the entire patch finishes. You still have that option. |
| 23:00.25 | A-KO | DWSR: this is long after the patch has finished |
| 23:00.31 | A-KO | I still see the loading shit while flying |
| 23:00.34 | A-KO | from zone to zone |
| 23:00.39 | A-KO | you see the little green/yellow wheel at the top |
| 23:00.49 | DWSR | Caching issues, plus textures in the beta aren't compressed. |
| 23:00.51 | DWSR | Or optimized. |
| 23:01.02 | Dewin | So who's crazy enough to actually try raiding tonight? |
| 23:01.04 | A-KO | I suspect the problem will transfer to Live as well |
| 23:01.07 | A-KO | but we'll see |
| 23:01.14 | DWSR | A-KO: I suspect we'll see some of the issu. |
| 23:01.16 | DWSR | issue* |
| 23:01.22 | DWSR | Ok. |
| 23:01.25 | xyn | yeah. there are bits of content that aren't downloaded with the streaming patcher on beta. |
| 23:01.25 | DWSR | This is fucking pissing me off. |
| 23:01.34 | xyn | data files are both downloaded and some data files are unlocked. |
| 23:01.40 | Cide | my god |
| 23:01.43 | DWSR | IRC CLIENT THAT ISN'T MIRC KVIRC, OR XCHAT ON WINDOWS. |
| 23:01.44 | DWSR | GOGO |
| 23:01.54 | Dewin | pidgin. |
| 23:01.57 | DWSR | Die. |
| 23:02.01 | Dewin | Also, let me hand you a loaded weapon. You should shoot me with it. |
| 23:02.12 | Cide | little DWSR betatests the game and cries because it's not working |
| 23:02.16 | DWSR | I'll just kill you with fire. |
| 23:02.19 | Cide | now submit feedback or gtfo the beta imo |
| 23:02.24 | DWSR | Cide: I'm not whining. |
| 23:02.24 | Cide | or stop crying |
| 23:02.38 | Cide | 01:01 < DWSR> This is fucking pissing me off. |
| 23:02.40 | Cide | you sure? |
| 23:02.45 | Dewin | Actually, the only reason I use pidgin for IRC is because I already use it for everything else. |
| 23:02.51 | MentalPower | DWSR: ChatZilla |
| 23:02.54 | DWSR | <DWSR> IRC CLIENT THAT ISN'T MIRC KVIRC, OR XCHAT ON WINDOWS. |
| 23:02.56 | DWSR | Yes, Cide. |
| 23:02.58 | DWSR | Very sure. |
| 23:03.03 | Jamash[zee] | DWSR: ChatZilla |
| 23:03.03 | clever | if the realm is down any longer, i wont be able to play at all today |
| 23:03.08 | Dewin | Whining, just not about beta. :-p |
| 23:03.15 | DWSR | Fair. |
| 23:03.26 | DWSR | Jamash[zee]: Do I still have to install the rest of the Mozilla suite or firefox? |
| 23:03.29 | Dewin | Heh, realm status page stopped loading at 4:00. I guess I wasn't the only one who hit refresh. |
| 23:03.40 | Jamash[zee] | You need Firefox |
| 23:03.42 | MentalPower | DWSR: just the framework |
| 23:04.02 | MentalPower | Jamash: actually you don't need firefox, just the XULRunner framework |
| 23:04.04 | DWSR | Oh my god, it's hideous. |
| 23:04.07 | clever | i beleive chatzilla can run inside xulrunner |
| 23:04.13 | Jamash | MentalPower: realllllllly |
| 23:04.20 | A-KO | oh |
| 23:04.20 | MentalPower | yes really |
| 23:04.20 | Dewin | DWSR: telnet |
| 23:04.22 | A-KO | interesting..... |
| 23:04.24 | Jamash | does that mean I can run it standalone so it won't die when firefox crashes? |
| 23:04.28 | DWSR | Yes. |
| 23:04.31 | Jamash | hawt |
| 23:04.34 | A-KO | "Applying non-critical updates" |
| 23:04.38 | DWSR | http://chatzilla.hacksrus.com |
| 23:04.39 | MentalPower | Jamash: I don't have firefox, I run Chrome |
| 23:04.42 | A-KO | that didn't happen a few minutes ago... |
| 23:04.45 | A-KO | runs IE9 |
| 23:04.48 | A-KO | in da hizzouse! |
| 23:04.59 | DWSR | fail |
| 23:05.02 | Jamash | anyone else notice the Launcher make a sort of horrible scream when it went from yellow to green? |
| 23:05.09 | DWSR | Though, I suppose, in some technical way, I run IE9 too. |
| 23:05.09 | MentalPower | Jamash: http://chatzilla.rdmsoft.com/xulrunner/ |
| 23:05.15 | DWSR | hates IE being integrated into Windows. |
| 23:05.20 | clever | Jamash: i heard the sound-effect, but it didnt really sound like a scream |
| 23:05.33 | Jamash | well, it was startling anyway |
| 23:05.35 | MentalPower | I have IE9 too, I really like it |
| 23:05.59 | Dewin | I wonder if non-critical updates is... like... precaching items |
| 23:06.24 | Jamash | do I need to download XULRunner if I already have firefox? |
| 23:06.46 | clever | Jamash: if you want to run chatzilla seperately from firefox, yes |
| 23:06.49 | MentalPower | Jamash: nop, just use the XULRunner that comes with firefox |
| 23:07.14 | Jamash | ask not the internets, for they shall tell ye both no and yes |
| 23:07.16 | Antiarc | http://www.realmdance.com/ |
| 23:07.34 | clever | from what ive seen of the code, firefox is just a xulrunner app |
| 23:08.17 | MentalPower | aye, it is |
| 23:08.56 | Shirik | why you don't let mechanical engineers come up with a syntax for a language: |
| 23:09.07 | Shirik | You get crap like: active -[ brake_signal ]-> idle; |
| 23:09.09 | MentalPower | Jamash: clever: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/XULRunner_tips#Using_Firefox_3_to_run_XULRunner_applications |
| 23:09.10 | Shirik | as syntax |
| 23:09.35 | Jamash | thanks |
| 23:09.36 | Dagmar | At this point, I look at IE9 usage like addiction to methamphetamines |
| 23:09.54 | clever | my only use for IE is to dl chrome or firefox |
| 23:09.56 | MentalPower | Dagmar: how so? |
| 23:10.02 | Dagmar | They had plenty of warning that it was going to go badly, and they did it anyway, and now they just keep doing it. |
| 23:10.24 | Dewin | 3:45 PM PDT October 12th, 2010 - We are in the final stages of completing the maintenance process and will begin bringing realms online shortly. We currently anticipate all realms will be online by 5:00 p.m. PDT and appreciate your continued patience. |
| 23:10.32 | Dagmar | So when the repo men come to take the house and cars away, it ain't my fuckin' problem that they kept using. |
| 23:10.52 | kd3|netbook | c'mon 1800PDT |
| 23:10.57 | clever | i would uninstall it if i could |
| 23:11.08 | Mr_Rabies | is there a good bag addon that could properly replace baggins since it's dead? |
| 23:11.20 | Dagmar | It can be uninstalled. |
| 23:11.25 | MentalPower | clever: if you're using Windows7 you can |
| 23:11.34 | clever | XP home still |
| 23:11.39 | Mr_Rabies | i've tried arkinventory, and it was missing stuff that baggins has :[ |
| 23:11.50 | Dewin | what sort of stuff? |
| 23:11.54 | Dewin | And I believe Combuctor is around and works |
| 23:11.59 | MentalPower | Dagmar: IE9 is a long ways away from IE8, you should try it, you may be surprised |
| 23:13.41 | Mr_Rabies | Dewin: mostly the virtual bag functionality |
| 23:14.02 | Mr_Rabies | unless i'm dumb and missed it |
| 23:14.13 | kd3|netbook | yay upgrade bugs |
| 23:14.15 | kd3|netbook | sighs |
| 23:14.23 | Dewin | Mr_Rabies: Hmm, interesting. so you could say to make an imaginary 40 slot bag using 2 20-slotters for organizational purposes? |
| 23:14.42 | Mr_Rabies | not just that |
| 23:14.48 | Dewin | I don't think AI can do that, but it might be possible and now you have me wondering. |
| 23:14.59 | Mr_Rabies | but you could make virtual bags for trade goods, consumables, gear (even gear in specific equipment manager profiles) |
| 23:15.06 | Mr_Rabies | etc |
| 23:15.08 | NightHawkTheSane | Dewin: in short, baggins lets you define an arbitrary number of bags, with an arbitrary number of section, where the contents of each section is defined by an arbitrary number of highly-customizable rules |
| 23:15.09 | Dewin | I can do that in ArkInventory |
| 23:15.12 | Mr_Rabies | almost anything could be divided and sorted |
| 23:15.13 | Dewin | It just shows all in one window |
| 23:15.22 | Dewin | but there are sectioned areas of that window |
| 23:15.27 | Lunessa | http://www.somethingpositive.net/sp10052010.shtml |
| 23:15.33 | Dewin | I have one for, say, epics that are part of an Outfitter outfit |
| 23:15.49 | Torhal | Dewin: Try AdiBags. Ark is insanely CPU-intensive. |
| 23:15.55 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: s*p has been really good lately :) |
| 23:16.22 | Lunessa | It has. Really. And I like the punchline on this one. |
| 23:16.29 | NightHawkTheSane | indeed :) |
| 23:16.45 | Mr_Rabies | zomg adibags looks like a suitable replacement for baggins |
| 23:16.51 | Dewin | Torhal: I'm guessing Mr_Rabies would be interested moreso than I, but I'll look into it myself ;) |
| 23:16.58 | Mr_Rabies | why didn't you tell me before torhal ya jerk >:O |
| 23:17.01 | Mr_Rabies | jk thanks man :p |
| 23:17.34 | Dewin | I'd love to be able to have a button that pops up only a subset of my inventory versus 'full inventory' |
| 23:18.15 | Torhal | Mr_Rabies: Don't make me sic Fisker on you. |
| 23:19.29 | Mr_Rabies | I don't understand why people use outfitter when the default ui has a great gear manager, could someone explain the advantages of outfitter? |
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| 23:19.46 | Jamash | overlays |
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| 23:20.00 | NightHawkTheSane | makes a note of that, as he loves (loved?) baggins. |
| 23:20.17 | Jamash | the blizz gear manager simply equips a list of items |
| 23:20.39 | Jamash | with outfitter I can equip pvp -> overlay battlegrounds -> overlay alterac valley |
| 23:21.03 | clever | i think the blizz one can kinda do that |
| 23:21.07 | clever | each list can be set to ignore certain slots |
| 23:21.12 | clever | so it only adds a few items |
| 23:21.22 | Jamash | right, but the blizzard manager has no *unequip* feature |
| 23:21.39 | Jamash | so when I unequip alterac valley, pvp and battlegrounds will remain equipped |
| 23:21.49 | Xinhuan | incorrect |
| 23:21.51 | Duman | if the slot is saved as empty, it will unequip |
| 23:21.57 | Xinhuan | u can mark slots as empty |
| 23:22.01 | Xinhuan | which will unequip it |
| 23:22.03 | clever | Duman: yeah, ive made a 'naked' profile before :P |
| 23:22.05 | Xinhuan | as opposed to ignored |
| 23:22.07 | Jamash | wrong |
| 23:22.08 | clever | one click and i insta-strip! |
| 23:22.25 | Jamash | I don't mean remove item, I mean replace item with the underlay |
| 23:22.34 | clever | yeah, thats not posible |
| 23:22.38 | Jamash | exactly |
| 23:22.39 | Duman | ahh, yeah |
| 23:22.44 | clever | you would have to re-apply the pvp -> overlay battlegrounds layers |
| 23:22.44 | Duman | no "revert" |
| 23:22.47 | NightHawkTheSane | you want your equipment sets to behave as a stack |
| 23:22.52 | Jamash | Outfitter also has automatic switching |
| 23:22.56 | NightHawkTheSane | with, effectively, push/pop functioanlity? |
| 23:23.01 | Jamash | yep |
| 23:23.04 | clever | NightHawkTheSane: more like a tree |
| 23:23.08 | clever | each leaf inherits from those before it |
| 23:23.14 | Xinhuan | heh ok |
| 23:23.24 | Jamash | yeah, you can unequip a middle set and leave the ones above and below it |
| 23:23.25 | NightHawkTheSane | eh, i'm not going to debate the semantics of it. :P |
| 23:23.42 | Jamash | it also has triggers |
| 23:23.46 | clever | it would save you from making 50 different equiptment sets |
| 23:23.56 | Jamash | so, when I equip my fishing set it automatically switches to Track Fish |
| 23:24.07 | NightHawkTheSane | i've never found that functionality useful, but i can see how one might. |
| 23:24.16 | Jamash | and it's supposed to swap my fishing pole out if I get attacked but I'm not sure if that's working right |
| 23:24.22 | clever | ive seen a macro before that switches gear via the blizz manager and changes your tallent spec |
| 23:24.30 | NightHawkTheSane | Jamash: eh, nothing stopping anyone from hooking that into the blizz stuff, really. |
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| 23:24.45 | Jamash | anyone in this case being the author of Outfitter |
| 23:24.49 | Jamash | who did :) |
| 23:24.54 | NightHawkTheSane | well, true. ;) |
| 23:25.03 | clever | NightHawkTheSane: yeah, an addon could make 50 equipment sets in the blizz manager, based on a matrix of things you enter |
| 23:25.07 | Jamash | you can tell outfitter to synchronize Outfitter sets and gear manager sets |
| 23:25.12 | clever | and then let the stock one do all the switching |
| 23:25.50 | Jamash | clever: at which point, why use it at all? |
| 23:25.51 | NightHawkTheSane | ugh, i need to update my addons. >< |
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| 23:26.31 | clever | Jamash: the blizz list is kept on blizz servers, shared between all computers using your account |
| 23:26.38 | clever | no need to sync the addons&config between systems |
| 23:27.00 | Jamash | except, with 50 equipment sets stored on the server, you *would* have to sync the addon and config |
| 23:27.17 | Jamash | so, no gain |
| 23:27.35 | clever | it would just be a button in the addon to whipe the server list and generate a new set |
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| 23:28.03 | A-KO | damn |
| 23:28.06 | A-KO | my wow dir is 27.4GB |
| 23:28.07 | Jamash | So you'll have one set named PvP and one set named PvPBGAV and one set named PvPBG and...? |
| 23:28.30 | Jamash | and you'll have to hunt through the 50 sets to find the one you really want? |
| 23:28.39 | clever | yeah, it would be ugly, but it would let you get by without the addon |
| 23:28.43 | Jamash | eh |
| 23:29.01 | Jamash | at that point I'd recommend using cogwheel's addon-to-macro system |
| 23:29.52 | Jamash | or just write a set of equipslot macros |
| 23:29.55 | Jamash | by hand |
| 23:29.55 | A-KO | wait |
| 23:30.00 | A-KO | you can't pre-order cata CE anymore? |
| 23:30.00 | A-KO | wtf? |
| 23:30.04 | Jamash | nar? |
| 23:30.35 | Jamash | from who? |
| 23:31.10 | A-KO | oh I dunno |
| 23:31.22 | A-KO | buddy texted me saying that "cata ce preorders are done"--don't think he was talking about himself.... |
| 23:31.27 | A-KO | seems Gamestop doesn't have it listed anymore |
| 23:31.40 | Jamash | uh oh |
| 23:31.47 | Jamash | neither does amazon |
| 23:31.52 | Torhal | FUck them |
| 23:31.56 | Torhal | Wal-Mart |
| 23:32.12 | MentalPower | I don't think amazon had them at all... |
| 23:32.21 | Jamash | amazon did |
| 23:32.43 | Cairenn | EB in Canada let my mom order it |
| 23:32.56 | Jamash | wal-mart does indeed still seem to have it in stock |
| 23:32.58 | Cairenn | so EB elsewhere may |
| 23:33.22 | A-KO | so does best buy |
| 23:33.23 | A-KO | orders |
| 23:34.50 | A-KO | k, ordered |
| 23:35.07 | DWSR | I wonder if I get my Walmart associate discount if I pre-order. |
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| 23:35.25 | A-KO | World of Warcraft: Cataclysm - Collector's Edition - Mac/Windows SKU: 1255535 |
| 23:35.31 | A-KO | Scheduled for store pickup |
| 23:35.32 | A-KO | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:35.32 | A-KO | Available for pickup from: |
| 23:35.32 | A-KO | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:35.35 | A-KO | :P |
| 23:36.22 | DWSR | So, it's almost 8pm EDT. |
| 23:36.28 | DWSR | We still getting moar maintenance? |
| 23:36.49 | A-KO | apparently |
| 23:36.54 | A-KO | oooh I wonder if the DX11 mode is in.. |
| 23:37.12 | Jamash | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=27189088752&sid=1 |
| 23:37.20 | DWSR | LOL |
| 23:37.29 | DWSR | WoWWiki's broken. |
| 23:37.44 | DWSR | Jamash: There's what's been posted and what's going to happen. |
| 23:37.54 | Jamash | hooray for wikia |
| 23:38.08 | DWSR | There's some hardcore break. |
| 23:38.14 | Torhal | DWSR: You don't |
| 23:38.23 | Torhal | As far as they're concerned, online, you're another customer. |
| 23:38.26 | Arrowmaster | kd3|netbook: wikia switch everybody to the new skin now? |
| 23:38.37 | DWSR | No, not yet. |
| 23:38.40 | DWSR | At least, not yesterday. |
| 23:38.41 | Torhal | I got my SC2 CE from walmart.com and looked everywhere for a discount option |
| 23:38.47 | DWSR | Today, Wikia switched to FAIL. |
| 23:39.00 | DWSR | Torhal: I could pre-order in my store. |
| 23:39.10 | DWSR | additionally, isn't there a place to enter a coupon code or something? |
| 23:39.22 | Torhal | DWSR: If it follows SC2, it will be online only. |
| 23:39.28 | Torhal | Dunno |
| 23:39.35 | DWSR | Torhal: Are you a walmart employee? |
| 23:39.36 | Dagmar | DWSR: Holy crap you're not kidding |
| 23:39.45 | DWSR | Dagmar: You saw that, did you? |
| 23:39.51 | DWSR | Wikia across the top a few times and........ |
| 23:39.53 | Torhal | I went to five Wal-Mart stores in my area and all they had was normal edition, and nobody knew what I was talking about for CE |
| 23:39.56 | Torhal | DWSR: I am |
| 23:40.01 | Dagmar | Just now I did. Farkin BROKE the site template |
| 23:40.04 | DWSR | Ah, dunno then. |
| 23:40.22 | DWSR | kd3|netbook: PREPARE FOR FAIL |
| 23:40.28 | DWSR | kd3|netbook: www.wowwiki.com |
| 23:40.56 | Jamash | wowwiki looks fine to me |
| 23:41.01 | Torhal | Holt shit what the fuck is that? |
| 23:41.09 | Torhal | Holy* |
| 23:41.11 | clever | Torhal: same, i had trouble finding old lichy a few months back |
| 23:41.16 | Torhal | Jamash: What browser are you using? |
| 23:41.17 | Stanzilla | http://www.wowwiki.com/Portal:Main |
| 23:41.20 | Stanzilla | works fine |
| 23:41.29 | Jamash | http://www.wowwiki.com/Special:Preferences click on skin, select wowwiki, save |
| 23:41.38 | Aeyan | Yeah, wowwiki shattered on Chrome, for me. |
| 23:41.54 | Jamash | I'm on FF, duh |
| 23:42.03 | clever | chrome here and busted:P |
| 23:42.08 | Dagmar | The page is just plain broken. |
| 23:42.20 | Dagmar | It's not "for Chrome" or "for FF". It's busticated |
| 23:42.21 | Jamash | www.getfirefox.com |
| 23:42.22 | clever | the page is shifted 50% to the left |
| 23:42.24 | Parnic | chrome here and me too :) |
| 23:42.41 | Dagmar | Does someone have a browser it *does* work properly for? |
| 23:42.47 | Arrowmaster | IE? |
| 23:42.51 | Dagmar | Mighht actually be more readable with lynx now |
| 23:42.53 | Jamash | www.getfirefox.com |
| 23:42.56 | Aeyan | Yeah, reselecting my skin fixed it for me |
| 23:42.59 | Aeyan | Thanks Jamash |
| 23:43.13 | Jamash | np |
| 23:43.17 | Dagmar | Holy shit |
| 23:43.24 | Dagmar | All the more reason to never look back at Wikia then |
| 23:43.27 | clever | Dagmar: you can turn CSS off in firefox, view->page style->none |
| 23:43.43 | DWSR | I'm using the default skin (I don't have an account)/. |
| 23:43.45 | DWSR | And yeah. |
| 23:43.47 | DWSR | It's fucking BROKED. |
| 23:44.15 | DWSR | IT's broken like my realm on patch day. |
| 23:44.17 | DWSR | ~rimshot |
| 23:44.17 | purl | badum-TISH! |
| 23:44.29 | Dagmar | clever: As far as I'm concerned, any page that's been constructed that works on IE but malfunctions that badly on other, more standards-compliant browsers, has to made from the devils cumshots or something |
| 23:44.46 | DWSR | Dagmar: IE8 and 9 aren't too bad. |
| 23:44.50 | DWSR | But yeah, I agree. |
| 23:44.54 | Aeyan | God, that new wikia skin pretty much ruins trying to actually read a wiki page for information. |
| 23:45.01 | A-KO | IE9 shouldn't have any troubles moving forward |
| 23:45.03 | clever | Dagmar: ive only found maybe 2 sites that break badly on firefox but work on IE |
| 23:45.11 | clever | one of them started with a half-broken <!-- |
| 23:45.19 | clever | so 99% of the page was html commented under firefox |
| 23:45.36 | DWSR | lol, fail. |
| 23:45.37 | Jamash | DWSR: why don't you have a wowwiki account? |
| 23:45.48 | DWSR | Jamash: Because that means I have a Wikia account. |
| 23:46.01 | Jamash | And? |
| 23:46.03 | DWSR | And since WWiki seems like it might be leaving soon, I don't want to bother. |
| 23:46.44 | Jamash | ah |
| 23:47.02 | Parnic | Dear new WoW launcher: if you're going to play audio, you NEED to give me the option to mute you. Thanks for not doing that. |
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| 23:49.28 | Stanzilla | windows 7 to the rescue |
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| 23:49.37 | Parnic | yup |
| 23:49.40 | alestane | I've found the installers mute if you put them in the background. |
| 23:49.53 | Parnic | launcher not installer |
| 23:50.02 | Tuller | nachonachowafflewaffle |
| 23:50.05 | alestane | Haven't heard anything out of the launcher yet. |
| 23:50.22 | clever | it makes a noise between each stage |
| 23:50.32 | clever | kinda usefull if your waiting for it to become playable |
| 23:50.42 | clever | totaly useless now, because all realms are down:P |
| 23:50.53 | Parnic | when it hits green it plays a sound and when you press the login button it also plays a sound |
| 23:51.06 | Parnic | i agree it's useful in *some* situations. hence the "you need to give me the *option* to mute you" :) |
| 23:51.28 | Jamash | non-critical updates seem to involve the cache |
| 23:52.02 | Jamash | Data\Cache\patch-base-13164.MPQ writing 2MB/s |
| 23:52.25 | clever | Jamash: what app you using for that? |
| 23:52.36 | Jamash | Win7 Resource Monitor |
| 23:52.42 | clever | ah |
| 23:52.48 | clever | seems win7 got a clue :P |
| 23:52.58 | Jamash | to some extent, yeah |
| 23:53.12 | alestane | Ah yes, I did notice button noises. |
| 23:53.13 | clever | that was somewhat posible on linux for ages |
| 23:53.36 | clever | you can enable block_dump, which then gives a lot entry for EVERY single block read/writen on any drive |
| 23:53.41 | Alram | Jamash, that's pretty much what its doing |
| 23:53.45 | Alram | Generating caches |
| 23:53.49 | Alram | So the client doesn't have to |
| 23:54.08 | A-KO | Data\Cache.... |
| 23:54.10 | A-KO | so the question is |
| 23:54.12 | Jamash | I don't understand the concept of a cache in regards to wow |
| 23:54.14 | A-KO | can I erase that dir? lol |
| 23:54.17 | A-KO | neither do I Jamash |
| 23:54.20 | Alram | Yes you can A-KO |
| 23:54.23 | A-KO | I've been trying to get answers on that for a long time... |
| 23:54.27 | Jamash | yes |
| 23:54.35 | Alram | And it's just where it puts all the "patched" files |
| 23:54.36 | Jamash | you had to numerous times in beta to get it to work at all |
| 23:54.40 | DWSR | Can anyone unprotect http://www.wowwiki.com/Forum:Should_WoWWiki_leave_Wikia%3F for me? |
| 23:54.50 | Alram | Since Blizzard diffs now |
| 23:54.52 | Jamash | make a login, freeloader |
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| 23:55.23 | foxlit | It's not protected |
| 23:56.43 | DWSR | foxlit: I can't edit it as anonymous. |
| 23:56.54 | foxlit | You can't edit anything as anonymous. |
| 23:56.58 | foxlit | ww is not wikipedia :) |
| 23:57.28 | Jamash | who owns the wowwiki.com domain? |
| 23:57.46 | DWSR | wikia. |
| 23:57.53 | DWSR | foxlit: That, my friend, is serious fail. |
| 23:58.01 | Jamash | doh |
| 23:58.12 | Jamash | not allowing anon edits makes sense to me |
| 23:58.16 | Jamash | why should they? |
| 23:58.34 | Dagmar | "NEW ICC BOSS IZ EPICMUDKIPZ!" |
| 23:58.50 | Jamash | precisely |
| 23:59.15 | DWSR | Jamash: Dunno, seems to break the spirit of a wiki to me. |
| 23:59.30 | Jamash | not really |
| 23:59.40 | DWSR | a bit, anyway. |
