| 00:00.32 | Jerub | considers writing the most useful android/wow app ever. |
| 00:00.45 | Blu|OhNomNomNom | sorry adys |
| 00:00.52 | Blu|OhNomNomNom | i didn't know :( |
| 00:01.08 | Blu|OhNomNomNom | static.wowhead.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/182800.jpg <--- at my fail |
| 00:01.22 | Blu|OhNomNomNom | http://static.wowhead.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/182800.jpg |
| 00:01.33 | foxlit | annoyingly long name :( |
| 00:01.45 | Adys | Who? |
| 00:01.49 | foxlit | nom. |
| 00:01.52 | Blu|OhNomNomNom | I r still nomming ! |
| 00:01.57 | Adys | oh |
| 00:02.32 | foxlit | It's probably all that repetition. |
| 00:02.35 | amro | you don't need 12 characters to tell us that |
| 00:02.40 | foxlit | I mean, NightHawkTheSane is about the same size, but scans better. |
| 00:03.07 | amro | it's not the repetition |
| 00:03.11 | amro | it's the lolcattiness |
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| 00:03.53 | NightHawkTheSane | has an awesome name. |
| 00:04.09 | amro | 4-char names are the best |
| 00:04.22 | foxlit | arrro! |
| 00:04.26 | Jerub | 5 char aren't so bad. |
| 00:04.43 | amro | 5 chars are right there on the edge |
| 00:04.46 | Adys | 4 char is still best but |
| 00:04.48 | amro | but 4 is where it's at |
| 00:04.49 | Adys | 5 chats is still okay |
| 00:04.55 | Adys | s/t/r/ |
| 00:05.03 | amro | adys cide mikk amro |
| 00:05.05 | amro | all awesome |
| 00:05.09 | Bluspacecow | ha ha |
| 00:05.12 | Adys | thats theorbtwo realizing he's lost the game, with 6 chars |
| 00:05.22 | Bluspacecow | can't /nick to Blu as someone else has it |
| 00:05.22 | Bluspacecow | lol |
| 00:13.01 | Cide | that's why I sort the nick list by char length |
| 00:13.06 | Cide | or rather |
| 00:13.13 | Cide | ascending by |len(nick) - 4| |
| 00:13.43 | Cide | and I special-case shirik to the bottom since he never replies anyway |
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| 00:20.57 | Lunessa | Station. |
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| 00:32.13 | Thunder_Child | does thta mean i am as far away from you as possible Cide? |
| 00:32.17 | Thunder_Child | that* |
| 00:32.37 | Cide | I'm not sure your name is the longest in here? |
| 00:33.01 | Cide | don't feel like scrolling |
| 00:33.16 | Cide | NHTS' is longer |
| 00:33.26 | Thunder_Child | i guess you did feel like scrolling |
| 00:33.40 | Cide | indeed |
| 00:34.08 | Thunder_Child | besides, who uses the nick list? i use tab-complete to tell me if someone is here |
| 00:34.26 | Cide | I use it for determining awesomeness only |
| 00:35.03 | Thunder_Child | so EDI is super mega awesome? |
| 00:35.31 | Cide | not more so than Cide |
| 00:35.38 | Cide | |len(nick) - 4| |
| 00:35.42 | amro | I'm on top of that list |
| 00:35.54 | Cide | who said that? |
| 00:36.06 | Cide | you're assuming a secondary sort of which there is none |
| 00:36.08 | amro | you did, since it's sorted by awesome |
| 00:36.14 | Cide | nope |
| 00:36.20 | Cide | it's sorted by |len(nick) - 4| |
| 00:36.30 | Cide | I use it for determining awesomeness |
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| 00:37.37 | Thunder_Child | so it's random after the -4? |
| 00:37.53 | pirate93 | anyone with a lvl 85 mage on the beta servers test out my addon and tell me if it works? http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info17470-TimeWarp.html#info i dont have a beta key yet |
| 00:38.04 | Cide | not random, just unstable |
| 00:39.43 | Yssaril | ZG is the only instances they removed in cata right? |
| 00:40.16 | Thunder_Child | Yssaril: http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/762324-List-of-removed-content |
| 00:40.48 | Yssaril | Thunder_Child: thank you |
| 00:40.55 | Thunder_Child | Yssaril: ^_^ |
| 00:41.35 | kd3 | also, www.wowwiki.com/Patch_4.0.3_(undocumented_changes) |
| 00:41.45 | kd3 | pretty good list of what's getting changed everywhere |
| 00:46.58 | kd3 | though it's quite out of date in some sections... |
| 00:49.18 | Corrodias | too bad. i have sort-of-fond memories of some of those locations. |
| 00:50.21 | Corrodias | i'd be upset if i cared |
| 00:51.02 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/World_of_Warcraft:_Cataclysm#Zones_affected_by_the_Cataclysm is a better list... |
| 00:51.37 | Duman | hmm, who broke wowehad |
| 00:51.39 | Duman | *head |
| 00:58.52 | Jerub | IT WAS ME! |
| 00:59.39 | Cide | go go apache |
| 01:05.43 | pirate93 | anyone with a lvl 85 mage on the beta servers test out my addon and tell me if it works? http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info17470-TimeWarp.html#info i dont have a beta key yet |
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| 01:13.55 | cogwheel | RAWR |
| 01:19.54 | cogwheel | when i watch my replays on faster x 4, the camera movements and amount of actions i'm taking almost look pro -_- |
| 01:27.30 | amro | cogwheel: up for a game? |
| 01:28.53 | cogwheel | 1s or 2s? |
| 01:29.24 | amro | 1s |
| 01:29.26 | cogwheel | i'm in the zone right now... teh zone of fail |
| 01:29.27 | amro | or whatever really |
| 01:29.32 | cogwheel | sure |
| 01:29.40 | amro | I switched to zerg and lost like... 10 games in a row |
| 01:29.41 | cogwheel | i got demoted to bronze -_- |
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| 01:29.43 | amro | poof down to silver |
| 01:30.04 | amro | character code? |
| 01:30.07 | cogwheel | (and i've been MPing zerg the whole time) |
| 01:30.08 | cogwheel | 845 |
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| 01:39.03 | Adys | nevcairiel, mikma |
| 01:39.13 | Adys | I uploaded python-bna to pypi |
| 01:39.31 | Adys | just do "easy_install python-bna"; to use it, "import bna" |
| 01:41.11 | Arrowmaster | this show is great |
| 01:41.31 | Adys | which? |
| 01:41.36 | Arrowmaster | "Give me your hand" "Ok truce" "Truce my ass, I'm not going to leave my prints on a gun that just went off" |
| 01:41.43 | Arrowmaster | Shit My Dad Says |
| 01:43.03 | Arrowmaster | "I'm glad your here" "Well you have a really funny way of showing it" "Showing what? I'm talking to the tomatoes" |
| 01:43.28 | amro | is it? |
| 01:43.32 | amro | I read that it sucks ass all over |
| 01:43.38 | amro | I mean, nothing but horrible reviews |
| 01:43.40 | amro | so I skipped it |
| 01:44.13 | Arrowmaster | ok well its not that great but its got some great lines in it |
| 01:45.38 | Arrowmaster | "Well look who just grew a pair" "You're the one always telling me to fight for what I believe in" "What are you blibering about, I'm talking to the pear tree, it just grew its first pear" |
| 01:48.42 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster: thats either blathering or blithering |
| 01:49.02 | Arrowmaster | soundling like blibering |
| 01:49.08 | Arrowmaster | sounded |
| 01:49.10 | Thunder_Child | or blubering, but i doubt it |
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| 02:16.18 | ckknight | Arrowmaster: I think the son makes for a poor straight man in their comedy duo. He just comes off as a pussy |
| 02:16.44 | Arrowmaster | i think thats the point |
| 02:17.57 | ckknight | right, and it just makes the show less funny for me |
| 02:18.04 | ckknight | sure Shatner's great |
| 02:18.07 | ckknight | he's funny in spite of himself |
| 02:18.16 | ckknight | but the whole thing is just blah |
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| 02:41.09 | Shirik | IOR:010000002000000049444c3a416d6261737361646f725061727365722f5061727365723a312e3000010000000000000064000000010102000c0000003139322e3136382e312e35001f1600000e000000fee049a54c000018cc000000000000000200000000000000080000000100000000545441010000001c00000001000000010001000100000001000105090101000100000009010100 |
| 02:41.13 | Shirik | oops |
| 02:41.17 | Seerah | spammer! |
| 02:41.18 | Thunder_Child | good job |
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| 02:44.20 | Thunder_Child | Iriel! |
| 02:44.52 | Iriel | Thunder_Child: Iriel! |
| 02:45.03 | Thunder_Child | <Iriel> Thunder_Child: Iriel! |
| 02:49.23 | Arrowmaster | make the pain go away |
| 02:49.31 | Arrowmaster | my foot hurts |
| 02:49.42 | Thunder_Child | then shoot yourself in the other foot |
| 02:50.10 | Mikk | or stop chewing on it even though it's in your mouth, whichever applies |
| 02:50.34 | Thunder_Child | mmmm...foot in mouth flavor |
| 02:50.53 | Arrowmaster | ive got that problem where the tendons in my foot like to move around and dont sit where theyre supposed to |
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| 02:51.10 | Mikk | nice |
| 02:51.41 | Thunder_Child | so you have child tendonds? |
| 02:51.41 | Arrowmaster | so they snap back into place as i move it |
| 02:51.43 | Mikk | speaking of flavors... a gulidie of mine claimed today that cappucino with a big dollop of salt reminded him of oral sex |
| 02:52.05 | Torhal | ... |
| 02:52.09 | Arrowmaster | .... |
| 02:52.20 | Mikk | i just thought i'd share |
| 02:52.38 | Mikk | (no the salt wasn't intentional) |
| 02:52.38 | Torhal | You experienced so much overshare that you had to share. |
| 02:53.09 | Mikk | not entirely dissimilar from goatse.cx |
| 02:53.31 | Torhal | (when it was still disturbing) |
| 02:54.40 | Mikk | haha yeah i was just reading this http://gawker.com/340901/descriptions-of-goatse-2-girls-1-cup-and-other-gross+outs-that-hopefully-youll-never-watch |
| 02:54.40 | Mikk | "Goatse: Used to be considered gross; now it's the Heinz Mild Ketchup of gross-outs." |
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| 03:19.08 | Arrowmaster | Mikk: those descriptions are bad, lemonparty was never about the gay porn it was about the abusive stuff it did to your browser |
| 03:19.42 | Mikk | oho. i missed that. |
| 03:20.11 | Mikk | would "your browser" possibly mean "internet explorer"? |
| 03:20.16 | Mikk | because it'd explain it :P |
| 03:20.22 | Arrowmaster | including the really loud audio clip of "HEY EVERYBODY IM WATCHING GAY PORN!" |
| 03:20.34 | Mikk | HAHAHAHAHA |
| 03:20.55 | Mikk | ok i obviously totally missed the original site then |
| 03:21.26 | Dagmar | First we *tell* you not to use IE. Then when put up *sites* to *punish* you for using IE. |
| 03:21.37 | Mikk | yay, tired again after waking up in the middle of the night. ---> bed! |
| 03:21.43 | Dagmar | ...and fuckers STILL use the goddamn unsafe piece of shit and whine about drive-by virus installs. |
| 03:22.16 | Arrowmaster | im surprised that list of shock sites doesnt have the 'spinners' one with the counter |
| 03:24.21 | mikma | http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/1_man.jpg |
| 03:24.58 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 03:26.24 | Arrowmaster | http://gawker.com/346913/behind-every-internet-meme-is-a-better-one-you-never-saw |
| 03:26.45 | Arrowmaster | anybody else remember when it was just the Vin Diesel Facts? |
| 03:27.06 | Arrowmaster | i remember we had an irc bot that pulled random ones from the website |
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| 03:31.19 | Adys | jnwhiteh: ping |
| 03:31.36 | Arrowmaster | my foot still hurts, its time to get out the drugs |
| 03:32.34 | amro | vin diesel facts were actually true |
| 03:34.31 | Thunder_Child | umm..no? |
| 03:34.58 | Adys | TC is just pissed off because there are no ThunderChild facts |
| 03:35.14 | Thunder_Child | thats ok, there are Thunder_Child fact |
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| 03:35.51 | amro | only one? |
| 03:35.53 | Thunder_Child | +s |
| 03:36.09 | amro | seriously though, vin diesel is as badass as they get |
| 03:37.02 | Thunder_Child | i'll skip the hearsay |
| 03:37.03 | amro | if you disagree, it's because you haven't play TCR |
| 03:37.12 | amro | s/play/played/ |
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| 03:43.15 | kd3 | huh; prop 19's winning |
| 03:43.51 | cogwheel | in what sense? |
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| 03:46.16 | Humbedooh | what's prop 19, precious? |
| 03:46.24 | cogwheel | legalize marijuana in california |
| 03:46.29 | Humbedooh | woohoo |
| 03:46.32 | Dagmar | Big shock that is |
| 03:46.37 | Thunder_Child | ^ |
| 03:47.02 | Thunder_Child | way to man liberals though i happen to agree in this case |
| 03:47.06 | Thunder_Child | many* |
| 03:47.23 | Dagmar | November 3rs should be a pretty mellow day |
| 03:47.28 | Dagmar | er 3rd |
| 03:47.28 | Humbedooh | yes, we all know that gay marriage is a bigger threat to our public safety than weed |
| 03:47.47 | cogwheel | lulz in the ow that hurts way |
| 03:47.52 | cogwheel | stabs his state |
| 03:48.02 | Dagmar | The gay marriage thing should have _never_ been put to that type of vote on constitutional grounds. |
| 03:48.17 | cogwheel | ^ |
| 03:48.35 | Dagmar | Majority interests must never be allowed to overrule minority interests based on a _simple majority_ vote. |
| 03:48.40 | ckknight | if they make gay marriage illegal, then straight marriage might be next! |
| 03:48.43 | ckknight | it's a slippery slope. |
| 03:49.19 | Dagmar | It's more like, to use a more contemporary and slightly less unlikely example, if Atlanta and Memphis wanted to outlaw white people within the city limits, they could do it based on that. |
| 03:49.31 | Humbedooh | they could ye ;p |
| 03:49.33 | ckknight | oh noes |
| 03:49.35 | ckknight | but I'm a white person! |
| 03:49.39 | ckknight | my rights are being violated! |
| 03:49.44 | ckknight | let's secede! |
| 03:49.46 | ckknight | <.< |
| 03:49.47 | ckknight | >.> |
| 03:50.14 | Dagmar | What I'd find more personally amusing would be if they did that in DC. |
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| 03:50.24 | cogwheel | ckknight: you sound like my would-be-step-grandpa-if-there-were-common-law-marriages-in-california |
| 03:50.29 | Humbedooh | well technically they could do it there too ;> |
| 03:50.39 | Dagmar | It would probably have a net-positive effect. |
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| 03:50.42 | Humbedooh | hrr |
| 03:50.49 | ckknight | Dagmar: baltimore maybe |
| 03:51.15 | cogwheel | ckknight: the one who thinks he isn't liable for income taxes because he has never entered into a contract with The United States |
| 03:51.25 | Dagmar | "According to the 2007 American Community Survey conducted by the U.S. Census Bureau, the population distribution of Washington, D.C. is 55.6% Black or African American, 36.3% White, 3.1% Asian, and 0.2% American Indian" |
| 03:51.27 | cogwheel | He's a citizen of the united States of America. |
| 03:51.28 | ckknight | cogwheel: lousy gub'mint |
| 03:51.33 | cogwheel | and doesn't use zip codes |
| 03:52.10 | cogwheel | (capitalization was important in the united states stuff above) |
| 03:52.33 | Thunder_Child | thats doesnt equal 100% |
| 03:52.36 | Thunder_Child | that* |
| 03:52.45 | cogwheel | lern2errormargin? |
| 03:52.58 | Humbedooh | you forgot the furries, Dagmar |
| 03:53.05 | Dagmar | No I didn't. |
| 03:53.07 | Thunder_Child | cogwheel: no |
| 03:53.26 | Dagmar | Until they're legally recognized as a racial group I don't have to concern myself with whatever is in their drinking water. |
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| 03:54.07 | Humbedooh | trolling furries in Gilneas, great fun |
| 03:55.35 | amro | Dagmar: they probably could have done it in DC a short while back |
| 03:56.46 | Dagmar | I think there's enough black people with the sense to know that such a thing would put majority votes for things like that under serious scrutiny that such a bill would pass. |
| 03:57.07 | Dagmar | I'm white and I'd vote for it. |
| 03:57.41 | Dagmar | The Governator was a cowardly bitch for letting Prop 8 even get to ballot. |
| 03:58.09 | Dagmar | part of his job is to stop bills like that and say "WTF guys" |
| 03:59.27 | KarlKFI | it prolly woulda passed in texas |
| 03:59.40 | KarlKFI | well, it _did_ pass |
| 03:59.50 | KarlKFI | but with more of a majority |
| 04:00.54 | Dagmar | Damnit I forgot to record Anderson Cooper |
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| 04:19.22 | Adys | ahahah |
| 04:19.41 | ckknight | I like curves |
| 04:19.51 | Adys | shows ckknight his curves |
| 04:20.06 | ckknight | female curves |
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| 05:34.08 | Yssaril | anyone have a list of new dungeons/raids/bgs in cata? |
| 05:35.25 | Xinhuan | just login and type /lfd |
| 05:35.26 | Xinhuan | full list there |
| 05:35.33 | Xinhuan | and /lfr |
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| 05:40.10 | mikma | xinhuan: /rofl |
| 05:44.14 | Xinhuan | i'm not lying =.= |
| 05:45.15 | mikma | no, you aren't |
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| 06:33.14 | tem | oh good christ |
| 06:33.23 | tem | day9 funday monday is so much fun to watch |
| 06:33.41 | Shirik | groans |
| 06:34.26 | tem | dare you have something against day9? |
| 06:34.29 | tem | DARE YOU? |
| 06:34.42 | Shirik | no |
| 06:34.46 | Shirik | I have something against my team members |
| 06:34.52 | Shirik | I don't even know what day9 is |
| 06:35.25 | tem | wat |
| 06:35.50 | tem | This is a good intro to day9: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3I5h7UaOuk |
| 06:36.22 | tem | but this is the gem I just finished watching: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12lc7jVpfUc |
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| 06:47.34 | digmouse|work | I love the new Newbie Tuesday episode |
| 06:48.15 | tem | that's next up |
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| 06:48.59 | digmouse|work | ye the last one How to deal with early pressure helps me a lot |
| 06:51.23 | Xinhuan | newbie tuesday > funday monday! |
| 06:52.08 | digmouse|work | and last weeks PvT newbie tutorial is awwwwesome |
| 06:52.31 | digmouse|work | no Xinhuan I love that HuK carrier rush too |
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| 06:53.01 | Xinhuan | well learning material > entertainment material :D |
| 06:53.17 | digmouse|work | btw buff carrier plz |
| 06:53.31 | Xinhuan | its super strong when upgraded actually |
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| 06:57.58 | digmouse|work | still not strong as Battlecruiser |
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| 06:58.22 | Xinhuan | BC's already nerfed |
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| 07:26.25 | Fisker | haha haste |
| 07:26.26 | Fisker | http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2010/09/more-countries-more-sellers-more-buyers.html |
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| 07:48.50 | Fisker | slaps haste around a bit with a large trout |
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| 08:07.23 | zenzio | Possibly NSFW (language): http://www.bannedinhollywood.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Unintentionally_sexually_charged_found_porn_2.jpg o_O |
| 08:08.09 | Dagmar | That *has* to be photoshopped. |
| 08:08.16 | zenzio | I would imagine so |
| 08:08.34 | zenzio | if not, be very careful which agent is your realtor |
| 08:09.16 | Corrodias | ahuh... |
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| 08:11.03 | zenzio | Cairenn|afk: http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/09/30/funny-pictures-lion-around/ |
| 08:12.05 | jnwhiteh | Adys: pong |
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| 08:35.07 | bluspacecow | soo i got 122 fps on wow last night |
| 08:35.10 | bluspacecow | today |
| 08:35.13 | bluspacecow | i find out |
| 08:35.28 | bluspacecow | i was actually playing from a network drive |
| 08:35.45 | bluspacecow | my other computer sitting next to me's copy over AFP |
| 08:36.14 | cbreak_work | and you think that the speed of the medium the game is stored on influences framerate? |
| 08:36.23 | cbreak_work | I can tell you: it does not. |
| 08:36.26 | bluspacecow | nah |
| 08:36.30 | bluspacecow | fps wasn't effected |
| 08:36.34 | cbreak_work | it changes load speed, zoning speed and so on |
| 08:36.37 | bluspacecow | but things like |
| 08:36.39 | bluspacecow | npcs |
| 08:36.41 | bluspacecow | and other stuff |
| 08:36.47 | bluspacecow | was taking *ages* to appear |
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| 08:37.29 | TMcMahon51 | and just how long were you playing from that drive before realizing? |
| 08:37.42 | bluspacecow | erm |
| 08:37.48 | bluspacecow | not long |
| 08:37.52 | cbreak_work | there's the new streaming client |
| 08:37.55 | bluspacecow | was only on an hr last night |
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| 08:38.14 | bluspacecow | cbreak as far as I were aware that's yet to come out |
| 08:38.17 | bluspacecow | this is on live btw |
| 08:39.12 | cbreak_work | it's working quite well in beta |
| 08:39.21 | cbreak_work | but it has similar problems |
| 08:42.16 | jnwhiteh | I <3 the streaming client |
| 08:42.17 | jnwhiteh | so much |
| 08:42.24 | jnwhiteh | perfect for UI devs |
| 08:42.34 | jnwhiteh | red means you can dev your addons |
| 08:42.40 | tem | once upon a time |
| 08:42.41 | jnwhiteh | and the game is perfectly playable beyond that =) |
| 08:42.50 | tem | I had this great feature in one of my addons |
| 08:42.54 | tem | that turned the minimap |
| 08:42.59 | tem | into a giant hud |
| 08:43.18 | tem | that was in the middle of my screen |
| 08:43.21 | jnwhiteh | It was Antiarc's |
| 08:43.22 | tem | without any terrain or art |
| 08:43.30 | tem | only resource nodes |
| 08:43.41 | bluspacecow | so |
| 08:43.42 | Antiarc | hudmap mode in sexymap |
| 08:43.52 | bluspacecow | apparently the brewfest mount doesn't fly |
| 08:43.55 | bluspacecow | who knew :D |
| 08:44.07 | TMcMahon51 | Jump off of Dal with the wrong mount? |
| 08:44.33 | bluspacecow | * smooshs foot into ground* yyyyy---eeee maybe |
| 08:45.25 | TMcMahon51 | You know you spent too much time on a Druid when you jump off of stuff before forgetting regular mounts aren't instant. |
| 08:45.40 | TMcMahon51 | Still to this day causes half of my deaths. >.< |
| 08:46.36 | bluspacecow | its funny the little habits you pick up |
| 08:46.43 | bluspacecow | and can't make yourself let go of |
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| 08:46.57 | tem | Antiarc, does hudmap work in cataclysm? |
| 08:47.08 | haste | Fisker: |
| 08:47.14 | bluspacecow | eg to this day i still type in "dse.govt.nz" instead of "dse.co.nz" and "hpl.co.nz" and not "hpl.govt.nz" |
| 08:47.18 | Antiarc | tem: I don't expect it to, I haven't had time to try it in instances |
| 08:47.31 | Antiarc | I've been doing the 80+ hour workweek thing lately |
| 08:47.37 | Antiarc | Sorta precludes most gaming |
| 08:47.46 | tem | I'm really only concerned with lich king areas |
| 08:48.00 | tem | though it would be real nice if it worked in the CC outdoor areas too |
| 08:48.13 | bluspacecow | yes Ant but does it #include BIG_FAT_PAYCHECK |
| 08:48.38 | TMcMahon51 | or at least MAKIN_THAT_PAPER? |
| 08:48.41 | Antiarc | It #include PAY_THE_RENT_WITH_POTENTIAL_FAT_PAYCHECK_LATER :P |
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| 08:49.14 | bluspacecow | but #exclude NICE_LONG_VACATION_AT_LOS_VEGAS |
| 08:49.28 | Antiarc | heh, tes |
| 08:49.29 | Antiarc | yes |
| 08:49.43 | Kalroth | DEFINES_SUCK |
| 08:54.55 | bluspacecow | #define SUCK="Bluspacecow forgetting to buy portal runes" |
| 08:55.14 | bluspacecow | SUCK=FAIL |
| 08:56.43 | zenzio | that's a weird #define syntax |
| 08:56.55 | bluspacecow | yeah ignore me |
| 08:57.06 | bluspacecow | people often do when i'm trying to be funny |
| 08:58.16 | TMcMahon51 | Not enough people know C to know if it's supposed to be funny or not, yet alone what it's supposed to be. =P |
| 09:00.08 | bluspacecow | 200 fps X_X |
| 09:00.20 | bluspacecow | hmmm |
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| 09:00.28 | bluspacecow | any suggestions on what it should of been then ? |
| 09:01.12 | TMcMahon51 | no clue =( |
| 09:01.35 | bluspacecow | well suggest something in any language that would compile |
| 09:01.39 | bluspacecow | lolcat even :) |
| 09:01.57 | bluspacecow | suck is defined as Blu forgetting his portal runes |
| 09:01.58 | TMcMahon51 | Oh, I know! |
| 09:02.03 | bluspacecow | and fail is equal to suck |
| 09:02.03 | TMcMahon51 | Brainfuck! |
| 09:02.09 | bluspacecow | O_O |
| 09:02.13 | bluspacecow | that's a language ? |
| 09:02.17 | TMcMahon51 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainfuck |
| 09:02.37 | TMcMahon51 | You'll find the name to be quite appropriate when you see the sybntax. >.< |
| 09:02.42 | digmouse|work | That's a awwwwesome language |
| 09:02.45 | TMcMahon51 | *syntax |
| 09:04.10 | Humbedooh | wub wub |
| 09:04.23 | Humbedooh | RenderMon = mr. potato head mod! |
| 09:04.42 | Humbedooh | can import svg files and move stuff around now, yay |
| 09:04.58 | Humbedooh | googly-eyed cat ftw |
| 09:05.20 | bluspacecow | is that an addon in wow ? |
| 09:05.28 | Humbedooh | yup |
| 09:05.43 | Humbedooh | @project rendergnome |
| 09:05.46 | bluspacecow | i can has link |
| 09:05.47 | Repo | Humbedooh: http://www.wowace.com/addons/rendergnome/. RenderMon. Game: WoW. Humbedooh (Manager/Author). Updated: 3 days ago |
| 09:06.19 | Humbedooh | and there's a sample happy cat svg file on the site as well for testing |
| 09:06.31 | bluspacecow | nice |
| 09:06.42 | Humbedooh | you just import whatever svg file and then you can play mr. potato head for now |
| 09:06.49 | Humbedooh | later on you'll be able to add and edit stuff |
| 09:06.58 | bluspacecow | ooooo wheree would i get a mr potatoe head . svg :) |
| 09:07.00 | Humbedooh | but for now, only move and delete things |
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| 09:08.07 | TMcMahon51 | sounds like it could be pretty fun to play with when it matures a little. =D |
| 09:09.10 | Humbedooh | there's http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8e/Mr-potato.svg ofc, but you'll just freeze up WoW if you try to import it ;> |
| 09:09.36 | Humbedooh | at least untill I figure out how to make the editbox not freeze up like that when pasting large files into it |
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| 09:16.54 | jnwhiteh | Humbedooh: still don't have it working in a coroutine version? |
| 09:16.56 | jnwhiteh | oh, editbocx |
| 09:16.58 | jnwhiteh | gotcha =) |
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| 09:33.19 | harl | hi |
| 09:33.34 | haste | hi |
| 09:35.29 | bluspacecow | oh hai |
| 09:40.18 | bluspacecow | ~wiki arduino |
| 09:40.26 | bluspacecow | oh sorry |
| 09:40.48 | bluspacecow | how do i priv mesg on irc again ? |
| 09:41.11 | Humbedooh | ./msg ? |
| 09:41.16 | bluspacecow | thanks |
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| 09:45.32 | msoul | Hey all |
| 10:11.51 | zenzio | " |
| 10:11.51 | zenzio | We recommend: Introduction to 80x86 Assembly Language and Computer Architecture - Recommended because you purchased or rated: Windows via C/C++ 5th Edition (PRO-Developer)" |
| 10:12.16 | zenzio | now I know people think programming Windows is tedious, but learning assembly to do it sounds a bit much |
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| 11:22.11 | mikma | haste: nsfw, http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/little_red_riding_hood2.jpg |
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| 11:27.14 | Adys | jnwhiteh: false alarm |
| 11:28.36 | jnwhiteh | Adys: kk |
| 11:45.37 | Adys | http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2010/10/bang-theory-richard-dawkins-eye-evolution/ |
| 11:50.29 | Adys | http://www.thedoghousediaries.com/?p=1993 |
| 11:51.24 | Adys | http://www.questionablecontent.net/comics/1765.png |
| 11:53.44 | zenzio | lol |
| 11:54.55 | unfo- | Adys, ty for that eye-link |
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| 11:56.16 | mikma | eye eye sir |
| 11:57.32 | Adys | http://celebs.icanhascheezburger.com/2010/09/30/celebrity-pictures-doctor-who-sporting-oods/ |
| 11:57.55 | amro | hey pcj. |
| 11:58.13 | Adys | hi |
| 12:00.16 | Adys | amro: got mentalist/bbt yet? |
| 12:00.21 | amro | no |
| 12:00.45 | Adys | fu :( |
| 12:01.28 | amro | it's practice time |
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| 12:21.48 | zenzio | "How would you react if Cataclysm release was tomorrow? " - well I for one would be quite surprised |
| 12:24.24 | unfo- | :D |
| 12:24.33 | unfo- | zenzio, i lol'd |
| 12:25.24 | zenzio | sometimes I wonder if people make threads just to get some attention |
| 12:25.52 | haste | isn't that why everyone makes threads? |
| 12:29.26 | unfo- | yeah |
| 12:31.23 | Adys | http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2010/10/1/civilophelia/ |
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| 12:56.11 | zenzio | surely that quit message lacked "IP" |
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| 13:08.12 | Adys | kd3: updated dual core patch: http://bugs2.winehq.org/attachment.cgi?id=31045 |
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| 13:13.15 | alestane | wb |
| 13:16.34 | foxlit | hi alestane |
| 13:16.41 | alestane | /wave |
| 13:17.00 | foxlit | still wants a secure timeout timer. |
| 13:17.35 | foxlit | I think the following might work without opening up too many holes: restrict it to one instance per the entire UI, require a hardware event to start. |
| 13:17.41 | alestane | And we had to kill those. You yourself picked apart the solution I had to offer. |
| 13:18.08 | alestane | The hardware event is worth considering. |
| 13:18.12 | foxlit | ^ And that's me suggesting a modification :) |
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| 13:18.38 | zenzio | secure timeout timer? |
| 13:18.41 | nevcairiel | one timer in the UI? i already see addons fighting |
| 13:18.57 | alestane | It has a snowball's chance in hell of making it into 4.0 though. |
| 13:19.07 | foxlit | nevcairiel: I'm thinking the restriction on start will make it unusable for anything sneaky |
| 13:19.23 | foxlit | I view it as a sort of "focus" for addons that you interact with using keybindings |
| 13:20.14 | nevcairiel | a limitation like one timer in the UI is still somewhat weird |
| 13:20.22 | nevcairiel | you never know what other addon the user has |
| 13:20.36 | foxlit | nevcairiel: and you could be notified if you "lose" your timer to someone else |
| 13:20.55 | foxlit | The general idea is that you need something to time out -- closing a menu you opened with a keybinding, for example |
| 13:21.33 | foxlit | The "there can only be one" limitation is appealing since it prevents you from starting a heckload of them to get actual time; and at the same time models the sort of interaction you have with editboxes -- only one can receive keyboard input at a time |
| 13:21.48 | foxlit | So if your menu addon is waiting for a timeout and my menu addon steals the timer, your addon times out. |
| 13:22.29 | foxlit | Restricting starting to hardware events makes the cause/effect relatively clear to the user: he pushed a button, something happened. |
| 13:29.03 | foxlit | Does it sort of make sense? :) |
| 13:30.55 | zenzio | sounds sensible to me |
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| 13:54.08 | foxlit | "Tip: Don't stand in the fire!" |
| 13:57.07 | zenzio | "As a rogue, I needed on cloth robes. One in particular was the one from SfK off the last boss. I needed on it and a few people got upset over it. From what I recall, I think I asked them why they wanted it since they are all guys! Guys just look silly wearing dresses. Yep, I still can't believe I said that. " |
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| 14:04.25 | amro | dress != robe |
| 14:04.46 | zenzio | that's from a forum thread |
| 14:04.54 | amro | I figured |
| 14:05.04 | zenzio | but playing my manly orc warrior, I also thought robes looked like dresses |
| 14:06.33 | zenzio | http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/766837-Silly-things-you-did-as-a-noob?p=8977603&viewfull=1#post8977603 |
| 14:09.43 | amro | orc females are manlier than the males |
| 14:15.55 | foxlit | "Tip: Click on the Lightwell!" |
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| 14:16.15 | zenzio | are those loading screen tips? |
| 14:16.53 | Legorol | Can someone explain to me how this works: the (beta) launcher claims WoW is uptodate, I have downloaded all the streaming content. Yet when I log in, at the char select screen, not all my chars are visible immediately, and there is a progress bar at the top. |
| 14:17.07 | Legorol | Also, I get progress bars when at the loading screen, entering the world as well. |
| 14:17.19 | Legorol | So what are those progress bars? Further downloads? |
| 14:18.57 | jnwhiteh | i believe they check to ensure you have all the files |
| 14:19.05 | jnwhiteh | and you get a cache hit on all of them, so you go through |
| 14:19.16 | jnwhiteh | that's how i read it |
| 14:20.12 | Legorol | that makes sense, since the game might not know for sure that the launcher has completed its work |
| 14:20.37 | jnwhiteh | aye |
| 14:20.56 | Legorol | there's another thing i was wondering actually: how does the game handle a situation where you have only partially downloaded stuff through the launcher, but a new patch comes out |
| 14:20.57 | nevcairiel | oh man, another fail in secure land |
| 14:21.13 | Legorol | what i mean is: you could have various different files at different patch levels |
| 14:21.18 | nevcairiel | I can't even put items by itemlink on buttons anymore now? <.< |
| 14:21.19 | Legorol | if you never complete the streaming |
| 14:21.33 | alestane | By the legion, nevcairiel, what NOW? |
| 14:21.38 | Legorol | makes it hard to do diff-based patching |
| 14:21.53 | nevcairiel | I'm checking if it worked on live like i think it did |
| 14:21.57 | nevcairiel | sec |
| 14:22.06 | alestane | I just shipped a whole bunch of fixes for the other stuff off. |
| 14:22.28 | foxlit | Hm, they fixed worgens. |
| 14:22.33 | foxlit | worgen? |
| 14:22.38 | nevcairiel | hm, i guess it was this way on live too |
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| 14:22.40 | nevcairiel | but its weird |
| 14:22.43 | foxlit | Gilneans. |
| 14:22.55 | alestane | Also, at any given time we usually have a few fixes that are somewhere in the pipeline, so there may be stuff we've sent in that hasn't appeared on the beta release yet. |
| 14:22.58 | nevcairiel | Why can't i specify a full item link for a secure button to cast |
| 14:23.11 | foxlit | I thought you could |
| 14:23.13 | alestane | You can specify an ID, right? |
| 14:23.19 | nevcairiel | nop |
| 14:23.32 | nevcairiel | i tried <id>, item:<id> and the full link |
| 14:23.33 | nevcairiel | no joy |
| 14:23.44 | alestane | You should be able to pass in "item:33088" or whatever like in macros, I'd think. |
| 14:23.58 | nevcairiel | it throws whatever i set in the "item" attribute through SecureCmdItemParse |
| 14:24.01 | nevcairiel | which does some funny things |
| 14:24.36 | foxlit | nevcairiel: "item:21321" should work |
| 14:24.38 | alestane | That may make it difficult to address taht issue. |
| 14:24.51 | nevcairiel | (its a Lua function, not C, fwiw) |
| 14:25.00 | nevcairiel | foxlit: let me try again.. |
| 14:25.47 | foxlit | item:6948 is your hearthstone |
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| 14:27.12 | nevcairiel | i guess it actually does work, but not with the full link, just with that item: construct |
| 14:27.16 | nevcairiel | oh well, nevermind me then! |
| 14:27.39 | alestane | Okay, good, I can stop freaking out now then. |
| 14:27.48 | nevcairiel | Its just a bit confusing that all item APIs take all 3 type of arguments |
| 14:27.54 | nevcairiel | and the secure only works with one if them |
| 14:28.00 | nevcairiel | of* |
| 14:28.10 | alestane | Remind me about it when the first content patch is on the horizon and I'll see about including it. |
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| 14:32.17 | foxlit | does the addonkit work yet? |
| 14:32.59 | nevcairiel | don't think i've seen a new one |
| 14:34.25 | foxlit | so what arcane arts do people actually use to extract it? |
| 14:34.47 | jnwhiteh | mpq editors |
| 14:34.50 | jnwhiteh | and lots of trickery |
| 14:34.52 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 14:35.08 | jnwhiteh | the streamed mpqs are a pain in the ass |
| 14:35.12 | jnwhiteh | i'm glad i avoid all of that |
| 14:35.20 | jnwhiteh | and just use someone else's extracts |
| 14:38.02 | foxlit | That feels like cheating :) |
| 14:49.46 | nevcairiel | speaking of, i need to update my git |
| 14:54.38 | Thunder_Child | mmm....3D projector |
| 14:55.02 | nevcairiel | unless its holographic, i don't want it |
| 14:57.12 | Adys | nevcairiel |
| 14:57.18 | Adys | how do you override truth value in python 2.x? |
| 14:58.32 | nevcairiel | specify that question |
| 14:58.48 | Adys | um |
| 14:58.51 | nevcairiel | for a class? |
| 14:58.51 | Cide | you implement __bool__ |
| 14:58.52 | Adys | __bool__ in python 3.x |
| 14:58.56 | Adys | no Cide |
| 14:59.00 | Cide | yes? |
| 14:59.00 | Adys | __bool__ doesnt exist in 2.x |
| 14:59.01 | nevcairiel | __nonzero__ works |
| 14:59.02 | nevcairiel | return 0 |
| 14:59.06 | Adys | ah |
| 14:59.06 | Cide | oh yeah, nonzero |
| 14:59.09 | Adys | thanks |
| 14:59.52 | zenzelezz | "You never realize how much the sky really adds to the feeling of RK until it is gone...much better to see it back. To get this "interesting" technology working our render coders had to produce a DX9 version of a DX7 emulator...safe to say getting the sky to "just work" took a bit longer than expected." |
| 15:00.14 | nevcairiel | RK? |
| 15:00.30 | zenzelezz | Rubi-Ka (the Anarchy Online world) |
| 15:00.48 | nevcairiel | AO is using dx7? |
| 15:00.57 | Cide | why did they need to emulate dx7 to render the sky... |
| 15:01.21 | amro | because dx is fail |
| 15:01.25 | Cide | no |
| 15:01.28 | Cide | because they're bad |
| 15:01.33 | amro | bad for using dx |
| 15:01.37 | Cide | no |
| 15:01.39 | zenzelezz | nevcairiel: AO was released in 2001 |
| 15:01.40 | Cide | dx is better than opengl |
| 15:01.48 | Cide | in a lot of aspects |
| 15:01.49 | amro | technically you mean d3d |
| 15:01.50 | amro | and no it isn't |
| 15:01.57 | Cide | technically I mean d3d yes |
| 15:01.58 | Cide | and yes it is |
| 15:02.08 | amro | ok, enlighten me |
| 15:02.16 | Cide | opengl is imperative-based which is fucking stupid |
| 15:02.22 | amro | not at all |
| 15:02.26 | amro | it has an imperative mode |
| 15:02.28 | amro | that nobody uses |
| 15:02.32 | zenzelezz | Cide: I assume they weren't that experienced when they wrote the AO graphics engine the first time; now they're porting it to the AoC engine, so they have to make adjustments |
| 15:02.34 | amro | and that's been deprecated for ages |
| 15:02.39 | Cide | oh cool |
| 15:02.54 | Cide | so they borrowed from d3d and now they're on par |
| 15:03.00 | amro | no |
| 15:03.04 | amro | they've always had arrays |
| 15:03.10 | Cide | assuming their shader language is as up-to-date |
| 15:03.15 | amro | it is |
| 15:03.18 | amro | plus you can just use Cg |
| 15:03.22 | zenzelezz | I think the major problem with OpenGL is most tutorials seem to use imperative mode |
| 15:03.23 | Cide | and they support the features that d3d implement that become standards |
| 15:03.40 | amro | yeah, the tutorials for opengl are just terribad |
| 15:03.40 | Cide | like hull shaders and tesselation shaders |
| 15:04.05 | amro | anything you can do in d3d, you can do in opengl just as well |
| 15:04.10 | Cide | naturally |
| 15:04.15 | amro | and d3d is far from portable |
| 15:04.15 | Cide | you can just emulate it |
| 15:04.18 | amro | hence the fail |
| 15:04.26 | Cide | portable isn't everything |
| 15:04.26 | amro | unless you want xbox support |
| 15:04.32 | amro | nowadays it is |
| 15:04.37 | Adys | Cide, no need for emulation |
| 15:04.41 | Cide | anything you can do with d3d you can do with a 2d canvas |
| 15:04.43 | Adys | wined3d is a good example of that |
| 15:04.50 | Cide | doesn't make a 2d canvas a good idea |
| 15:04.52 | amro | Cide: yeah yeah but that's not what I meant |
| 15:04.55 | amro | I mean you can do it just as easily |
| 15:04.58 | amro | without any trickery |
| 15:05.13 | Cide | but does it support the recent additions to d3d that are now on upcoming cards? |
| 15:05.18 | Cide | tesselation/hull shaders and whatnot |
| 15:05.20 | amro | such as? |
| 15:05.33 | amro | yea |
| 15:05.41 | Cide | cool |
| 15:05.47 | Cide | why don't people use it then? |
| 15:05.53 | Adys | because windows cripples it |
| 15:05.55 | amro | marketing |
| 15:05.56 | nevcairiel | marketing reasons, probably |
| 15:06.03 | Adys | also windows cripples it. |
| 15:06.06 | amro | also for the same reason you thought it sucked 5 minutes ago |
| 15:06.12 | amro | most people aren't aware of what opengl can do |
| 15:06.12 | Adys | also windows cripples it. |
| 15:06.20 | amro | not that bad |
| 15:06.23 | Adys | still |
| 15:06.26 | amro | it used to be horrible on windows |
| 15:06.38 | amro | but now drivers have their own version of opengl32.dll |
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| 15:07.09 | amro | also nowadays there's the xbox, so if you're making a game for xbox as well it makes sense to go d3d |
| 15:07.28 | amro | but if you're not making for xbox, no reason to stick with d3d |
| 15:07.40 | Cide | except that most developers do |
| 15:07.41 | amro | (uness your only 3d programmers only know d3d etc etc) |
| 15:07.45 | Cide | must mean something |
| 15:07.45 | Adys | no? |
| 15:07.47 | amro | yeah like I said, marketing |
| 15:07.51 | amro | d3d has way more mindshare |
| 15:07.57 | amro | it's a snowball effect |
| 15:08.05 | Adys | developers target the xbox, not "most" |
| 15:08.06 | Adys | just some |
| 15:08.08 | Adys | also |
| 15:08.12 | amro | like right now, you're like oh everyone is using it, I'm not sure way but to be safe I'm going to go d3d as well |
| 15:08.14 | Cide | marketing may explain a bit of it |
| 15:08.14 | nicoli_s | amro:theres alot of reasons to use d3d other than just xbox |
| 15:08.18 | Adys | d3d devs are more easily accessible |
| 15:08.24 | amro | nicoli_s: such as? |
| 15:08.32 | nicoli_s | amro:theres alot more stuff built in as opposed to GL |
| 15:08.40 | amro | which is really irrelevant |
| 15:08.41 | Cide | but since opengl's target audience is larger if it was as good I figure people would use it |
| 15:08.41 | Adys | for the same reasons companies will use php just because php devs are cheaper :P |
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| 15:08.48 | nicoli_s | how is it irrelevant |
| 15:08.49 | amro | if the card supports it, the extension will be available |
| 15:08.59 | nicoli_s | a more robust toolset is def a reason to use something |
| 15:09.01 | amro | if the extension is not available, the card does not support it |
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| 15:09.13 | Lunessa | station |
| 15:09.19 | amro | also, is there something like gDebugger for d3d? |
| 15:09.30 | Adys | wine has one. |
| 15:09.37 | Adys | but windows go fuck to know |
| 15:09.40 | amro | I doubt it |
| 15:09.46 | amro | look up gdebugger |
| 15:09.57 | amro | or gDEbugger or howevr they style it |
| 15:15.05 | Cide | no idea really |
| 15:15.09 | Cide | seems like a nice tool though |
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| 15:18.12 | Legorol | Can you guys recommend which MPQ editor I should use? I am aware of WinMPQ (1.66), MPQ Viewer (1.5.2) and Ladik's MPQ Editor (3.1.0.473). Which of these works best, or perhaps a different one? |
| 15:18.50 | Cide | I have good experiences with the last one |
| 15:19.31 | amro | ladik's > * |
| 15:19.38 | zenzelezz | I third that |
| 15:21.12 | nevcairiel | get ladik 3.2 if you plan to use it on the beta, though |
| 15:21.47 | Legorol | what are the downsides if i don't? i just opened some beta MPQs in 3.1 and it is seemingly ok |
| 15:21.53 | Legorol | and thanks for the advices |
| 15:22.16 | nevcairiel | only 3.2 supports the patched mode |
| 15:22.26 | nevcairiel | otherwise you have to figure it out yourself |
| 15:24.14 | Legorol | ok |
| 15:25.57 | zenzelezz | oh yes - finally back to a keyboard where the F-keys are marked F1-12, and separated in groups of four |
| 15:26.02 | nicoli_s | Legorol:always use mpq editor |
| 15:26.09 | zenzelezz | take that, Microsoft Wireless 1000! |
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| 15:28.36 | Legorol | is there a description available somewhere of the folder/file structure of the beta client? |
| 15:28.57 | Legorol | such as the role of patch-base-12803.MPQ vs. wow-update-12803.MPQ and things like that |
| 15:31.21 | nicoli_s | Legorol:ask adys |
| 15:31.31 | nevcairiel | the patch-base shouldnt exist anymore |
| 15:31.32 | Adys | sup? |
| 15:31.42 | nevcairiel | or maybe it does for ptr |
| 15:31.42 | Adys | patch-base was an error |
| 15:31.54 | Adys | i can explain the format in detail in priv if you want |
| 15:34.43 | foxlit | http://www.zezula.net/en/mpq/patchfiles.html and stuff |
| 15:35.11 | Adys | that's about the ptch format |
| 15:35.16 | Adys | not the actual structure |
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| 15:36.31 | amro | Adys: I'm explaining the format to your sister in priv |
| 15:36.55 | Adys | she's not interested |
| 15:36.55 | Lunessa | Dude, you should have at least said his /mom/. |
| 15:37.07 | Adys | ~lunessa-- |
| 15:37.23 | Adys | jnwhiteh: you around? |
| 15:37.30 | jnwhiteh | yep |
| 15:37.38 | Adys | im looking for the apis used when you compare two items |
| 15:37.46 | Adys | you know when it says "+15 stamina, +300 spell power" etc |
| 15:38.03 | Adys | I want to know how the game fetches that name from globalstrings (ITEM_MOD_STAMINA etc) |
| 15:38.05 | foxlit | search the global functions list for Compare |
| 15:38.09 | amro | Lunessa: his sister is far more likely to be my age |
| 15:38.15 | foxlit | if it's not there, tooltips are magical |
| 15:38.23 | Lunessa | amro: But not nearly as insulting. |
| 15:38.28 | Adys | !api compare |
| 15:38.28 | lua_bot | GameTooltip:SetHyperlinkCompareItem: Fills the tooltip with information about the item currently equipped in the slot used the supplied item (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/GameTooltip/SetHyperlinkCompareItem) |
| 15:38.32 | foxlit | [or, heh, GetItemStatDelta] |
| 15:38.39 | foxlit | /GetItemStats |
| 15:38.39 | amro | yeah but the other one would be insulting to ME as well |
| 15:38.51 | foxlit | !api GetItemStatDelta |
| 15:38.51 | lua_bot | GetItemStatDelta: Returns a summary of the difference in stat bonuses between two items (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetItemStatDelta) |
| 15:39.00 | Cide | it would mainly be insulting to YOUR MOM |
| 15:39.02 | amro | plus, if he's silly enough to fall into the "I don't have a sister" trap |
| 15:39.08 | amro | I get a free stab at his mom as well |
| 15:40.02 | jnwhiteh | Adys: seems like you got the answer =) |
| 15:40.33 | Lunessa | amro: 'cause you know, could be like this story: http://www.fmylife.com/miscellaneous/13241865 |
| 15:40.34 | Adys | not the one i hoped for |
| 15:40.35 | Adys | but ya |
| 15:41.27 | amro | Lunessa: it just works so much better with a sister |
| 15:41.37 | Lunessa | fine, fine. |
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| 15:56.45 | Fisker | hey jnwhiteh |
| 15:56.48 | Fisker | i can use the market |
| 15:57.05 | jnwhiteh | k k |
| 15:57.55 | Fisker | or atleast i can pay for shit very soon |
| 15:58.07 | Fisker | so i can use all of my disposable income on mobile apps instead of hats for TF2 |
| 15:58.10 | Fisker | yeah :( |
| 15:58.20 | Fisker | atleast some very talented people got part of those money |
| 15:58.43 | TC-Work | TF2 is on sale this weekend via steam |
| 15:58.52 | Fisker | i know TC-Work |
| 15:58.54 | Fisker | i even got a damn halo |
| 15:59.14 | nevcairiel | why would you buy hats |
| 15:59.20 | TC-Work | i have new respect for ipods. phones are garbage media players |
| 15:59.32 | stew-a | you wouldn't, although you get a halo even for checking out what the store is all about :P |
| 15:59.37 | Fisker | http://www.tf2items.com/id/Fisker |
| 15:59.53 | Fisker | stew-a it's apparently not intended stew-a |
| 15:59.56 | Fisker | everyone just got one |
| 15:59.59 | Fisker | checking the store or not |
| 16:00.07 | stew-a | lol |
| 16:00.31 | Fisker | they were supposed to be given to people who did not use a certain program to gain hats, but perhaps did idle or did use developer commands to spawn them |
| 16:01.05 | stew-a | i thought it was wierd that you got it just from opening the store as opposed to actually buying one or something because the only hats i got were in october |
| 16:01.31 | Fisker | it probably checks your backpack then |
| 16:01.44 | Fisker | so you were given the illusion of it being because you browsed the store |
| 16:02.11 | stew-a | well its not like you had to cheat to get the hats i have :P |
| 16:02.30 | Lunessa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6L8b1zPE0-Y This is pretty lulzy. |
| 16:02.44 | Fisker | peopled used a program to idle on a non-existent server |
| 16:03.12 | Fisker | you know instead of using up CO2 by running the game on a existing server much to annoyance of everyone else on said server, and the enviroment |
| 16:03.48 | stew-a | why on earth did they change everything to "the vintage X" anyway |
| 16:04.04 | Fisker | so they got moar rare |
| 16:04.11 | Fisker | instead of QQ'ing over people who bought it |
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| 16:04.17 | Fisker | (even though it can't be traded anyway) |
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| 16:05.18 | zenzelezz | people didn't respond so well to The Voyeur X |
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| 16:06.57 | cog|sleep | Fisker: with your bitch slap rapping and your cocaine tongue you get nothing done |
| 16:07.05 | Fisker | yay |
| 16:07.14 | Fisker | they're gonna show the revue on wednesday |
| 16:07.36 | Fisker | i once rapped your mom cog|work |
| 16:07.46 | Fisker | atleast i don't sleep at work |
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| 16:14.10 | Shirik | so question, git has this --signoff option |
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| 16:14.28 | Shirik | but it just adds info to the commit message, no PGP signature or anything? |
| 16:14.37 | Arrowmaster | right |
| 16:14.57 | Shirik | that... doesn't seem entirely useful >.> |
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| 16:15.07 | Shirik | "Signed-off-by: Arrowmaster" I win |
| 16:15.08 | Fisker | i wonder why Blizzard want to restrict people from changing heroic modes |
| 16:15.10 | Yssaril | just makes it easy to have a consistant signof signature |
| 16:19.18 | Fisker | i'm very sick Shirik |
| 16:19.22 | Fisker | what about you? |
| 16:19.50 | Shirik | me too |
| 16:24.03 | nevcairiel | Shirik: its usually used when you get patches per email and commit them to the repository |
| 16:24.24 | nevcairiel | just as an indicator that you actually looked it over properly |
| 16:24.36 | nevcairiel | some trust is involved, sure |
| 16:25.58 | Lunessa | cog|work: http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/2010/oct/01/california_governor_signs_mariju |
| 16:26.22 | cog|work | wait what? |
| 16:26.55 | cog|work | awesome |
| 16:27.15 | cog|work | doesn't watch enough news apparently... |
| 16:27.26 | Lunessa | So, it's a traffic ticket for up to an ounce. |
| 16:27.39 | Shirik | I thought I saw something about git supporting PGP or something |
| 16:27.42 | Shirik | maybe I'm just remembering wrong |
| 16:28.21 | nicoli_s | fuck yeah! |
| 16:28.29 | Shirik | you know what's awesome, btw? Using wireshark to debug your program calls instead of a debugger. |
| 16:28.42 | Shirik | unfortunately wireshark can't tap into loopback :( |
| 16:29.05 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: you can sign tags with gpg |
| 16:30.59 | amro | Shirik: really, it can't? |
| 16:31.25 | Shirik | if it can't, I sure as hell don't know how |
| 16:31.28 | Shirik | can* |
| 16:31.32 | zenzelezz | Shirik forgot to connect the loopback cable |
| 16:31.44 | Shadowed | welp, time to go get some pot |
| 16:34.21 | TC-Work | Lunessa: it is already like that in LA |
| 16:34.28 | TC-Work | and by LA i mean los angeles |
| 16:34.37 | Lunessa | TC-Work: I know what you mean. I grew up there. |
| 16:34.54 | TC-Work | Lunessa: i feel sorry for you |
| 16:35.12 | Lunessa | I don't. It was exciting to be a teenager in LA in the 80s. |
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| 16:36.09 | Fisker | slaps Shadowed around a bit with a large trout |
| 16:36.11 | TC-Work | hmm...i was a toddler in LA in the 80's |
| 16:36.13 | Fisker | sounds illegal |
| 16:36.42 | TC-Work | i think, i'm not sure what the cutoff age is |
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| 16:38.55 | Lunessa | toddlers are between 3-5 years of age. |
| 16:39.22 | TC-Work | then yes |
| 16:39.31 | TC-Work | i was 3 when i mived here from canada |
| 16:39.35 | TC-Work | moved* |
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| 16:52.25 | cog|work | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100930/ap_on_en_tv/us_congress_loud_commercials |
| 16:54.31 | cog|work | huh.. . it would appear mainstream news is ignoring the marijuana bill... |
| 16:54.37 | cog|work | google news only has a few blog posts about it |
| 16:57.39 | theorbtwo | cog|work: The CA misdeminor -> infraction thing? |
| 16:57.43 | cog|work | yeah |
| 16:58.41 | theorbtwo | It's interesting, but I'm not sure it's terribly interesting. |
| 16:59.18 | theorbtwo | The story I saw on it, at least, doesn't have a very complelling narritive, and it's not clear that it's any sort of major difference. |
| 17:00.41 | theorbtwo | ...and the only actor named in it is the gov, who clearly doesn't support decriminlization. |
| 17:01.22 | cog|work | i think he'd be more into it but he doesn't like prop19 itself |
| 17:01.42 | theorbtwo | (Dispite this technically being decriminalization, the line that is more important for most people is it no longer being illegal.) |
| 17:02.03 | theorbtwo | This is the first I've heard of prop 19. From what I hear, it's exactly what I'd like to see. |
| 17:02.14 | theorbtwo | Legalize, tax, label. |
| 17:03.13 | theorbtwo | The last bit is, IMHO, especially important -- people die from impurities in drugs more then the drugs themselves. If you don't know what it's cut with and how it's cut, you don't know what a safe dose is. |
| 17:03.40 | nicoli_s | Im a little afraid this decriminilization bill is being done to make mpeople think that prop 19 isnt needed |
| 17:04.01 | nicoli_s | but what about people who grow, or people whod like to be able to sell small amounts to friends, etc etc |
| 17:04.10 | nicoli_s | or hell, even the issue of taxing it so they can get the fuck out of debt |
| 17:04.33 | cog|work | nicoli_s: selling to friends would still be illegal i think |
| 17:04.49 | cog|work | you're allowed to grow it for yourself |
| 17:04.59 | nicoli_s | but under the current bill |
| 17:05.01 | cog|work | and communities are allowed to license growers and retailers |
| 17:05.06 | nicoli_s | so hopefully 19 goes through |
| 17:05.12 | cog|work | under 19 |
| 17:05.52 | nevcairiel | imho, they should even ban tobaco. But many people probably hate me now :P |
| 17:06.09 | cog|work | prohibition is never the correct way to fix the problem |
| 17:06.40 | zenzelezz | nonsense, see how well it worked in the 20s! |
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| 17:07.11 | ckknight | on a related note, Boardwalk Empire looks like a good show |
| 17:07.17 | nevcairiel | I dont have a problem with people doing it, i have a problem with people doing it in place where i can't avoid being, especially places like public train stations where its not allowed, anyway |
| 17:07.27 | nicoli_s | nevcairiel:agreed |
| 17:07.29 | cog|work | that's different |
| 17:07.39 | nicoli_s | tobacco smoke still burns the crap out of my eyes |
| 17:08.02 | Gnarfoz | less real-world stuff, more wow: curious new raid lockout system |
| 17:08.38 | jnwhiteh | Gnarfoz: whats the change? |
| 17:08.44 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: they hinted those changes before |
| 17:08.53 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: yes, that's the opening sentence! ^^ |
| 17:09.00 | Gnarfoz | jnwhiteh: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=27026324753&sid=1 |
| 17:09.08 | nevcairiel | its nothing groundbreaking new in that post |
| 17:09.13 | nevcairiel | just confirmation and summary |
| 17:09.30 | Gnarfoz | actually, there is, I don't think they ever said anything about heroic locking you to an ID before |
| 17:09.44 | Gnarfoz | or the other way around, that you could freely join multiple normal mode IDs in the same lockout |
| 17:10.21 | nevcairiel | I like how it only locks you to bosses you actually defeated |
| 17:10.29 | nevcairiel | like their putricide example |
| 17:10.34 | Gnarfoz | basically, the only thing they said before was: 10man and 25man will be exclusive to each other, per encounter, and will drop the same loot |
| 17:10.52 | Gnarfoz | uhhh their putricide example clearly shows that it locks you to bosses you DIDN'T defeat :p |
| 17:11.22 | nevcairiel | Like they said, when you leave the raid again, you can still go back to one that only has the first four dead |
| 17:11.22 | Gnarfoz | you do 4/12 and then join a raid that's already killed rotface & festergut and then kill putricide with them: you get 7/12 marked as killed |
| 17:11.44 | nevcairiel | It doesnt lock you on entering |
| 17:11.49 | Gnarfoz | no, you can't, killing bosses further down the road prevents you from re-doing the earlier ones |
| 17:12.04 | nevcairiel | I didnt say you killed that one |
| 17:12.13 | Gnarfoz | yes, that's why I explicitly said "and kill putricide with them", you don't read properly |
| 17:12.18 | nevcairiel | But you could help try putricide, if the raid fails, you can still go back to your original point |
| 17:12.26 | Gnarfoz | yes, that of course is accurate |
| 17:12.30 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: but i didnt say it :p |
| 17:12.39 | Gnarfoz | you replied to me, and I said it? |
| 17:12.40 | Gnarfoz | :p |
| 17:13.12 | nevcairiel | My lines was before yours! |
| 17:13.24 | nevcairiel | half a second or so |
| 17:13.32 | Gnarfoz | the intertubes, they are clogged |
| 17:13.47 | nevcairiel | anyhow, heroic still having a id is new, but not bad |
| 17:13.51 | Gnarfoz | now I only need confirmation on the release date, to take time off from work ;P |
| 17:13.55 | Stanzilla | I want to know what happens to the loot tables |
| 17:14.00 | Stanzilla | merge or not |
| 17:14.12 | nevcairiel | when you fail heroic, you can still go normal with another group |
| 17:14.14 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: that's the only question that has been asked in that thread that is not whining, hehe |
| 17:14.20 | Stanzilla | I know :p |
| 17:14.25 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: but only if you fail on heroic boss #1 |
| 17:14.47 | Gnarfoz | doing 1/12 hc prevents you from doing anything on normal afterwards ._o |
| 17:14.49 | nevcairiel | It doesn't say that |
| 17:14.54 | Gnarfoz | but it does! |
| 17:14.56 | nevcairiel | which line says that? |
| 17:15.11 | Gnarfoz | oh |
| 17:15.14 | Stanzilla | if they change it so you can get lich king 25 title and mount in a 10man, I am raging hard |
| 17:15.15 | Gnarfoz | it actually says the opposite |
| 17:15.17 | Gnarfoz | my bad |
| 17:15.43 | nevcairiel | Stanzilla: no idea about ICC, but in cata there will be no specific achievements or anything for 25 anymore |
| 17:15.48 | Stanzilla | that I know |
| 17:15.50 | nevcairiel | who cares about icc, seriously |
| 17:15.51 | Stanzilla | just talking about ICC |
| 17:15.53 | Stanzilla | I do |
| 17:15.56 | nevcairiel | you fail |
| 17:15.59 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: worse: I have to decide between trying to complete SM or try killing LK 10 HC |
| 17:15.59 | Stanzilla | no! :( |
| 17:16.19 | Stanzilla | Gnarfoz: why's this? |
| 17:16.28 | Gnarfoz | because we do 25 11/12 on HC, too ^^ |
| 17:16.35 | nevcairiel | I would wager they keep the achievements/loots/titles for icc like they are now |
| 17:16.51 | Stanzilla | hm |
| 17:16.56 | Stanzilla | and hopefully the shards, too |
| 17:17.14 | Gnarfoz | I'm only at 10/50 anyway, I doubt it's going to happen |
| 17:17.27 | nevcairiel | thats alot missing |
| 17:17.27 | Gnarfoz | built 3 of them already |
| 17:17.42 | Stanzilla | 10m shadowmourne would make that weapon even more absurd |
| 17:17.49 | Gnarfoz | well |
| 17:17.53 | Gnarfoz | for 2 months or so. |
| 17:17.53 | Stanzilla | Gnarfoz: finished mine on tuesday :) |
| 17:18.01 | Gnarfoz | after that, it's worthless anyway |
| 17:18.05 | Stanzilla | true |
| 17:18.13 | Stanzilla | but it's already too easy to get it |
| 17:18.19 | Gnarfoz | how so? |
| 17:18.26 | Stanzilla | it's legendary. should need some effort to get it |
| 17:18.27 | Gnarfoz | of course you only need time to get it |
| 17:18.38 | Gnarfoz | none of the other legendaries required any effort either |
| 17:18.53 | Gnarfoz | just time (mostly because of random loot being random) |
| 17:18.59 | Stanzilla | but the drop rates were much lower |
| 17:19.07 | Gnarfoz | not that much? |
| 17:19.11 | Stanzilla | we had IDs with 12/12 shards |
| 17:19.16 | Gnarfoz | vala'nyr had 30 shards, but lower drop rates |
| 17:19.17 | Stanzilla | and we did ulduar every week |
| 17:19.20 | Gnarfoz | you're lucky then |
| 17:19.29 | Gnarfoz | SM has 50, but higher drop rates |
| 17:19.31 | Stanzilla | and had 4 weeks with only the 1 100% shard on yogg dropping |
| 17:19.37 | Gnarfoz | also, don't forget, heroic has double the drop rate from normal |
| 17:19.48 | Stanzilla | yeah we did 12/12 heroic |
| 17:19.58 | zenzelezz | Atiesh... |
| 17:20.04 | Legorol | I'm unsure what happens to your raid save in non-linear instances like ICC |
| 17:20.06 | Gnarfoz | that's 50-100% on each boss, compared to 12-25% in Ulduar |
| 17:20.09 | Stanzilla | but i've also seen 12/12 on normal with only 9 being HC |
| 17:20.12 | Legorol | let's say you kill first 4 bosses, then council + BQL |
| 17:20.15 | Gnarfoz | well, it's certainly possible |
| 17:20.20 | Gnarfoz | stochastics ftl |
| 17:20.24 | Stanzilla | true |
| 17:20.27 | Legorol | can you later join another raid to kill fester/rot/putri, if they haven't done council+bql? |
| 17:20.28 | Stanzilla | it's still easy to get imo |
| 17:20.30 | nevcairiel | Legorol: killing the wing boss locks you out of the whole wing, not more |
| 17:20.31 | Adys | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChcGijMxjC0 |
| 17:20.32 | Stanzilla | I got it on my alt |
| 17:20.36 | Stanzilla | that says all basicly :D |
| 17:20.37 | Gnarfoz | Legorol: that's unclear, needs blue reply |
| 17:20.43 | Legorol | i am with Gnarfoz on this |
| 17:20.59 | Legorol | nevcairiel: in theory. in practice, can you join a raid that *haven't* killed those bosses yet, with the intention of going on a different wing? |
| 17:21.06 | Gnarfoz | Bashiok uses imprecise "x/y" terminology throughout the post |
| 17:21.21 | nevcairiel | You can't join a raid that has less killed then you |
| 17:21.38 | Legorol | how do you define "less" in a non-linear context though |
| 17:21.43 | Gnarfoz | well, the problem is "6/12" doesn't say which 2 after the initial 4 those are |
| 17:21.45 | Gnarfoz | indeed |
| 17:21.45 | nevcairiel | not by numer |
| 17:21.48 | nevcairiel | by absolute bosses |
| 17:21.55 | Gnarfoz | that's the point, Bashiok only talks "numbers" |
| 17:21.58 | Legorol | ok, i have killed first 4 + council + bql |
| 17:22.02 | Gnarfoz | hence the need for clarification |
| 17:22.05 | nevcairiel | If you killed BQL, you cant join a raid that has them still alive |
| 17:22.09 | Legorol | can i join a raid that have killed first 4 + rot/fester + putri |
| 17:22.17 | nevcairiel | no |
| 17:22.26 | Legorol | then this part of Bashiok's post is clearly untrue: "each character will have the opportunity to defeat each raid encounter once a week" |
| 17:22.26 | nevcairiel | only after they killed BQL |
| 17:22.32 | Gnarfoz | that's what common sense would say, but it's not in his post |
| 17:22.49 | nevcairiel | Legorol: the chance, sure. But like always, you can ruin it for yoruself :p |
| 17:22.51 | Legorol | Gnarfoz: common sense can't say that, because that's not what it says to me |
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| 17:23.10 | Gnarfoz | Legorol: that's also untrue because of what I said earlier: when you have 4/12 killed and join a raid that is at putricide (hence, 6/12/) and you kill putricide, you can't kill Rotface and Festergut anymore that week |
| 17:23.11 | Legorol | the part i just quoted to me implies that you should be able to take your character to any boss in any order, as long as you take them once |
| 17:23.11 | zenzelezz | http://idle.slashdot.org/story/10/10/01/158239/New-York-To-Spend-275-Million-Uncapitalizing-Street-Signs o_O |
| 17:23.22 | Legorol | Gnarfoz: indeed |
| 17:23.25 | nevcairiel | It doesnt work like that |
| 17:23.28 | codex952 | anyone with a lvl 83+ mage on the beta servers? |
| 17:23.33 | nevcairiel | you can still lock yoruself out of boss kills |
| 17:23.40 | Yssaril | they should do it so it locks you out of the boss loot not the fight so you can redo the fight and help out but not get extra loot from it |
| 17:23.46 | nevcairiel | And you cant join a raid that still has bosses alive that you killed already |
| 17:24.04 | Gnarfoz | zenzelezz: the link seems worse than the article. 27.5 != 275 |
| 17:24.14 | Lunessa | http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/17390/210904 - Matt Taibbi is a vitriolic mother fucker, but he's a great read. |
| 17:24.15 | nevcairiel | Yssaril: nah that would suck, alot of people, especially tanks, would get pressured into doing it all over all the time |
| 17:24.19 | Gnarfoz | Yssaril: that's precisely what they want to prevent, though, I think |
| 17:24.25 | zenzelezz | Gnarfoz: I didn't make the URL :) |
| 17:24.31 | Yssaril | hehe |
| 17:24.32 | Gnarfoz | zenzelezz: of course you did, admit it! |
| 17:25.05 | Gnarfoz | anyway. time to do the dishes, then cook, only to have to do the dishes AGAIN |
| 17:25.35 | Gnarfoz | (I clearly need a raise so I can eat out more often. :P) |
| 17:25.39 | nevcairiel | How i figure the system is pretty simple: You can't join a raid that has bosses alive that you killed. And, killing a wing-boss locks you out of the other bosses in the wing, even when you didn't do them yet |
| 17:25.53 | Legorol | nevcairiel: i think wing-boss status is nothign special |
| 17:25.59 | Gnarfoz | it is already |
| 17:25.59 | nevcairiel | sure it is |
| 17:26.02 | Legorol | in the example they gave, all they implied is that your status is updated to match the rest of the raid |
| 17:26.03 | Gnarfoz | they control trash respawn |
| 17:26.05 | nevcairiel | its mentioned in the post |
| 17:26.13 | Legorol | nope, nev |
| 17:26.18 | nevcairiel | when you kill putricide without rot/fester, you can't kill rot/fester anymore |
| 17:26.26 | Legorol | it's not mentioned that you are sved to rot/fester *because* putri is a wing boss |
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| 17:26.36 | Legorol | the only thing that's mentioned is that you get updated to the same status as the rest of the raid |
| 17:26.45 | Legorol | my understanding is that the way it'd work is this: |
| 17:26.47 | nevcairiel | well duh, you can't kill a wing boss without the raid having done the other bosses in the wing |
| 17:26.53 | codex952 | anyone with a lvl 83+ mage on the beta servers? |
| 17:27.03 | Legorol | if the raid killed first 4 + rotface, and you only killed first 4, and you all go for festergut, |
| 17:27.10 | Legorol | then after killing festergut, you'd *also* be saved on rotface |
| 17:27.16 | Legorol | i think this has nothing to do with being a wing-boss |
| 17:27.16 | Lunessa | codex952: Apparently no. My mage is close to 83 though. Why do you ask? |
| 17:27.19 | angayelle | hello all |
| 17:27.38 | codex952 | Lunessa: i made an addon for the new mage spell TimeWarp, tho I cant test it yet |
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| 17:27.49 | Legorol | bottom line: if you kill a boss in a raid, you will be updated to match *all* the bosses already killed in that raid |
| 17:27.50 | foxlit | I agree with Lunessa's reading |
| 17:27.56 | foxlit | er. |
| 17:27.57 | Lunessa | codex952: 80-83 should take an afternoon. |
| 17:28.01 | foxlit | Legorol. Keys are like so close |
| 17:28.19 | nevcairiel | Anyway, in teh end the result is pretty much the same |
| 17:28.20 | Legorol | another example would be: if the raid has killed council + bql, and you join them for rot + fester, you'd also get saved on council + bql |
| 17:28.22 | codex952 | is it possible to tfer premie toons to the beta servers? |
| 17:28.23 | nevcairiel | yours is even worse, though =P |
| 17:28.32 | Legorol | yes |
| 17:28.34 | Lunessa | codex952: Yes. |
| 17:28.43 | Gnarfoz | it can only work that way, actually, Legorol |
| 17:28.47 | nevcairiel | The difference to today is just that you only get locked on the first kill |
| 17:28.50 | codex952 | all I could find was the character copy to the PTR servers |
| 17:28.54 | Legorol | indeed, nevcairiel |
| 17:28.57 | Legorol | and that the lock is personal |
| 17:28.57 | nevcairiel | and that you can jump group |
| 17:29.10 | nevcairiel | (and raid size) |
| 17:29.18 | Gnarfoz | unless heroic was involved! |
| 17:29.19 | Gnarfoz | ^^ |
| 17:29.26 | nevcairiel | with the heroic exception, that you still get a "normal" id with heroic kills |
| 17:29.30 | angayelle | someone i could ask a thing or two about wrapping an OnUpdate function within an OnEvent function ? |
| 17:29.34 | Legorol | i think my interpretation makes more sense, it's closer to the existing system, the game can still evaluate raid locks the same way as it did before, just each person has their own ID with a list of bosses killed |
| 17:29.36 | Gnarfoz | so it's actually quite a bit different |
| 17:29.41 | nevcairiel | however, you can still do normal kills anywhere even when you're heroic locked |
| 17:30.05 | nevcairiel | i re-read some parts and it makes sense |
| 17:30.16 | Gnarfoz | so basically, heroic works like "before" (with the exception that you can only have either a 10man or 25man heroic lock) |
| 17:30.20 | nevcairiel | it applies the current state of the instance to you on the first kill |
| 17:30.25 | Legorol | I think if we look at it this way: "normal ID is personal, heroic ID is group-wide still, everything else works as before", then it all makes sense |
| 17:30.36 | Gnarfoz | Legorol: idd |
| 17:30.45 | Stanzilla | The loot system in Icecrown and Ruby Sanctum is not changing. This implementation of the new flex raid lock is only that, a new implementation of the raid lockout system we'll be using in Cataclysm. This does not change the separation of 10 and 25 in ICC, and does not change the item drops or achievements. |
| 17:30.46 | Stanzilla | win! |
| 17:30.47 | nevcairiel | and, raid leaders can link raid status |
| 17:30.58 | Lunessa | angayelle: Pastey your code and ask your specific questions. |
| 17:31.02 | nevcairiel | so you know before joining |
| 17:31.07 | angayelle | right in the general chat ? |
| 17:31.16 | nevcairiel | into pastey |
| 17:31.16 | Gnarfoz | pastey, not paste |
| 17:31.25 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: which is weird. why even force it onto ICC and RS, then |
| 17:31.30 | nevcairiel | testing |
| 17:31.33 | Lunessa | angayelle: Pastey is a place to post your code. |
| 17:31.34 | Stanzilla | yes testing |
| 17:31.36 | Legorol | Gnarfoz: it's not clear to me if you can only have a 10 or 25 heroic lock |
| 17:31.36 | Gnarfoz | PTR? beta? :p |
| 17:31.39 | Stanzilla | they want to see how people handle it |
| 17:31.44 | Stanzilla | ptr has too few users |
| 17:31.49 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: you dont get much people raiding on beta or ptr |
| 17:31.51 | angayelle | ok |
| 17:31.54 | Legorol | Gnarfoz: all it says is that you have a heroic lock with a specific group, but |
| 17:31.55 | Lunessa | angayelle: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ |
| 17:31.58 | Legorol | maybe the size can still alternate? |
| 17:32.07 | nevcairiel | no it cant |
| 17:32.10 | nevcairiel | it says that soemwhere |
| 17:32.14 | Stanzilla | they want to see how current, active raids handle it |
| 17:32.14 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: probably because the new raids aren't available? ;0o |
| 17:32.24 | angayelle | thanks alot doing that |
| 17:32.31 | Stanzilla | Gnarfoz: icc and rs is available on the ptr |
| 17:32.32 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: I can tell you how: stop raiding until cata or CRY |
| 17:32.39 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: "new" was the key word in my sentence |
| 17:32.45 | Stanzilla | fu :p |
| 17:32.48 | Legorol | this new change will make me very, veeery sad when 4.0.1 hits :( |
| 17:32.49 | nevcairiel | noone is going to raid on the PTR |
| 17:32.51 | nevcairiel | i mean |
| 17:32.51 | nevcairiel | why |
| 17:32.57 | Legorol | my guild raids 25-man hc, and we suck at it |
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| 17:33.01 | Stanzilla | oh some people are, nev |
| 17:33.04 | Stanzilla | to test class changes |
| 17:33.10 | Legorol | i do 10-mans on off days for more progress, and working on some achis/heroic sindi etc. |
| 17:33.10 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: my point exactly. if they had the new raids on beta, people would. ;) |
| 17:33.13 | Stanzilla | a few people from my guild, our tanks for example |
| 17:33.27 | nevcairiel | Legorol: screw your old guild, get something fresh |
| 17:33.33 | Legorol | with this change, i will be unable to do my 10-man heroics :( |
| 17:33.49 | Gnarfoz | Legorol: no, you'll just do *only* your 10man heroics ;) |
| 17:33.51 | nevcairiel | I'm still not sure if i'll be doing 25 heroics or 10 heroics |
| 17:33.56 | Legorol | Gnarfoz: no i can't, my guild is doing 25-man |
| 17:33.57 | angayelle | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/141080 and done |
| 17:34.08 | Legorol | Gnarfoz: i'm not going to leave my guild over this |
| 17:34.08 | Gnarfoz | Legorol: well. |
| 17:34.14 | angayelle | wonderful thing btw |
| 17:34.19 | nevcairiel | Most players don't know the new system |
| 17:34.20 | Gnarfoz | you don't have to, everyone will have to make that decision anyway |
| 17:34.23 | nevcairiel | once they figure out how it works |
| 17:34.28 | nevcairiel | many people will leavbe 25man raiding |
| 17:34.34 | nevcairiel | because there is no advantage anymore |
| 17:34.41 | nevcairiel | and usually the management effort is quite painful |
| 17:34.42 | Legorol | for now, there still is: loot |
| 17:34.46 | Legorol | cataclysm will be a different matter |
| 17:35.03 | Legorol | i actualy disagree that there's no advantage anymore |
| 17:35.05 | Gnarfoz | I'm pretty much certain I'll stop our guild's 25man raids in Cataclysm. I just hadn't expected these kind of changes to affect us before Cataclysm launch. |
| 17:35.12 | nevcairiel | general note: anything i say is not relevant to now or 4.0.1, i only care about cataclysm |
| 17:35.20 | Legorol | i see one big advantage in 25-man: in 10-man, if you are stuck with sucky players, they pull you down more than in 25 |
| 17:35.42 | Gnarfoz | Legorol: the inverse is also true, though... |
| 17:35.45 | nevcairiel | its easier to find 10 good people then 25 |
| 17:35.49 | Gnarfoz | ^ |
| 17:35.54 | Legorol | you have a bigger pool to work with in 25-man, so you can finetune thigns a bit better |
| 17:36.13 | Legorol | nevcairiel: my experience doing both 25 and 10 with my guild is sadly the opposite |
| 17:36.13 | Gnarfoz | we have way more idiots in our 25man thanks to lack of players on our realm |
| 17:36.36 | nevcairiel | i've always hoped to be able to play without much group-setup fine tuning, as long as we had a half-good group to begin with |
| 17:36.44 | Legorol | what happens to me is this: when we do 10-man guild groups, if i'm stuck with one or two of the weaker players in the group (because noone else is available), then we end up sucking |
| 17:36.45 | nevcairiel | worked out pretty good in 10mans so far |
| 17:36.51 | Legorol | the same two weak players in the 25-man raid don't hurt so much |
| 17:36.53 | nevcairiel | but then, 10mans werent all that hard |
| 17:36.55 | Gnarfoz | we have to "go through" quite a lot of totally useless people to find one or two that we actually would like to keep, but those then quit or something. |
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| 17:37.27 | Gnarfoz | still hungry. ttyl :D |
| 17:38.24 | Shirik | amro, the only way I can find to capture data on the loopback interface is to install a new virtual adapter that acts the same way as loopback (and then bind everything to it) |
| 17:39.10 | Arrowmaster | because loopback doesnt go all the way down the stack it takes a shortcut once it hits a certain point |
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| 17:39.53 | amro | Shirik: it's just that I see it right there |
| 17:39.56 | amro | I guess it's not available on windows? |
| 17:40.04 | Shirik | yes windows |
| 17:40.09 | amro | seems so yeah |
| 17:40.10 | amro | http://wiki.wireshark.org/CaptureSetup/Loopback |
| 17:40.12 | Shirik | 2.7. The missing network loopback interface |
| 17:40.13 | Shirik | Windows TCP/IP stack does not implement a network loopback interface, as found in other TCP/IP stack like lo* interfaces in BSD systems. |
| 17:40.13 | Shirik | Thus, it is not possible to sniff network traffic using the typical Windows packet capture driver, WinPcap [24]. |
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| 17:45.44 | angayelle | i wanted to avoid having OnUpdate running all the time and i thought wrapping it into an OnEvent function would be a good idea but it doesn't seem to work |
| 17:45.56 | Shirik | um |
| 17:46.00 | Shirik | OnUpdate will run all the time |
| 17:46.03 | Shirik | you can't change that |
| 17:46.08 | Shirik | unless you hide the frame |
| 17:46.17 | angayelle | ah yessss |
| 17:46.34 | angayelle | forgot that |
| 17:47.15 | angayelle | thanks alot |
| 17:51.42 | Shirik | lol: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_that_most_frequently_use_the_word_%22fuck%22 |
| 17:51.59 | zenzelezz | I read that as "files" |
| 17:53.14 | Shirik | that anyone can exceed 1 fuck per minute is scary |
| 17:53.27 | alestane | ... |
| 17:53.34 | zenzelezz | are we still talking about the word? |
| 17:53.37 | alestane | ...you could at least put quotes around it. |
| 17:53.46 | Shirik | sorry >< |
| 17:53.47 | Gnarfoz | say: "fucking fuckers" - already exceeded 1/min |
| 17:54.44 | Stanzilla | zenzelezz: haha that's what I thought :p |
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| 17:56.56 | Arrowmaster | # Planes, Trains and Automobiles: In this film, Steve Martin's character rants at a car rental clerk, uttering the word fuck or fucking 18 times in little over a minute.[207] |
| 17:58.53 | Cide | so he's either uttering the word "fuck" or having sex, 18 times in little over a minute |
| 17:59.10 | Lunessa | That movie is AWESOME. |
| 18:02.37 | Cide | ~x it en smede |
| 18:02.42 | Cide | fail |
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| 18:06.03 | Shirik | interesting fan-made trailer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaMTedT6P0I&feature=player_embedded |
| 18:06.35 | Elina | Hi! I'm new to developing. Could someone tell me how to check if a player is online by their name? |
| 18:06.44 | Shirik | there's no real direct way |
| 18:06.49 | Elina | Damn |
| 18:06.51 | Shirik | unless you see them |
| 18:07.03 | Shirik | You do have the option of using the /who feature to kind of figure it out |
| 18:07.07 | Shirik | or sending a whisper to them |
| 18:07.20 | Shirik | ~api Who |
| 18:07.20 | purl | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_Who |
| 18:07.24 | Shirik | er |
| 18:07.24 | Shirik | no |
| 18:07.25 | Shirik | !api who |
| 18:07.25 | lua_bot | Found 6 possible results for 'who': GetWhoInfo, WHO_LIST_UPDATE, SendWho, SetWhoToUI, SortWho, GetNumWhoResults |
| 18:07.30 | Shirik | !api SendWho |
| 18:07.30 | lua_bot | SendWho: Requests a list of characters meeting given search criteria from the server (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/SendWho) |
| 18:07.47 | Shirik | but that's kinda messy and you won't get an instantaneous response |
| 18:07.47 | Elina | nice |
| 18:08.39 | Elina | I'll take a look at that, seems like it might be what I'm looking for - thanks! |
| 18:08.43 | Shirik | np |
| 18:09.20 | Shirik | You will want to do a SetWhoToUI() call, btw, to ensure that it doesn't go to the chat window |
| 18:10.53 | Elina | aight |
| 18:11.40 | Adys | " |
| 18:11.40 | Adys | If you give me a value, I give you a hash back, and you're aware that I'm using Django (think BitBucket which everyone knows is using Django), couldn't I use those values to learn your secret key. " |
| 18:11.43 | Adys | haha. |
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| 18:13.39 | Cide | fail? |
| 18:15.45 | Shirik | !! |
| 18:15.51 | Shirik | XBox Live Gold is increasing in price :< |
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| 18:17.55 | Cide | guess that means you should play more sc2 with me |
| 18:18.35 | cbreak | gold? |
| 18:19.18 | Fisker | old Shirik |
| 18:19.23 | Fisker | ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooold |
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| 18:20.07 | Shirik | cbreak, just means "online capable" |
| 18:20.15 | Shirik | everyone with an xbox has xbox live |
| 18:20.21 | Shirik | but gold means that you can play online |
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| 18:20.53 | cbreak | so you have to pay for online games? :/ |
| 18:21.00 | Shirik | yes? |
| 18:21.07 | Shirik | isn't that the case of like every service? |
| 18:21.19 | Cide | not the internet! |
| 18:21.24 | Cide | well kinda |
| 18:21.27 | Fisker | actually almost no service Shirik |
| 18:21.30 | Cide | here in sweden it might as well be free |
| 18:21.39 | Shirik | fu and your sweedish ways |
| 18:21.41 | Shirik | give me some fish |
| 18:21.50 | Cide | I'll give you some salmiak fish |
| 18:22.07 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 18:22.13 | Fisker | on Steam we can get DLC for free |
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| 18:22.17 | Shirik | omg no salmiak |
| 18:22.19 | Shirik | get it away |
| 18:22.58 | TC-Work | anyone know a good way to apply a single reg key to an entire network? |
| 18:23.02 | Cide | when you come to sweden I will teach you to like it |
| 18:24.21 | Cide | hmm |
| 18:24.35 | Cide | what's the name of the html tag that underlines a word and displays info on hover? |
| 18:24.59 | zenzelezz | displays info? |
| 18:25.05 | Fisker | duh TC-Work |
| 18:25.12 | Fisker | group policies go |
| 18:25.25 | Cide | it gives a dashed underline and on hover displays a tooltip |
| 18:25.33 | TC-Work | Fisker: only way to do that is to create a custom adm and import it. which is garbage for what i need |
| 18:25.45 | TC-Work | too much work for 3 keys |
| 18:25.56 | Fisker | custom admin? |
| 18:26.01 | Fisker | what the fuck are you smoking? |
| 18:26.08 | TC-Work | adm |
| 18:26.12 | TC-Work | L2Read |
| 18:26.25 | Fisker | tell me what it is? |
| 18:27.04 | TC-Work | administrative template for gpo |
| 18:27.22 | Shirik | http://techcrunch.com/2010/10/01/google-street-view-brazil/ (not for the faint of heart) |
| 18:27.44 | Fisker | sweet Shirik |
| 18:28.00 | Shirik | brazil must suck |
| 18:28.14 | Fisker | you can't have domains without some kind of login script TC-Work :( |
| 18:28.17 | Fisker | you are a horrible person! |
| 18:28.24 | Fisker | But there's always remote registry |
| 18:28.31 | Fisker | you can always check if you can script that |
| 18:28.32 | TC-Work | Fisker: i only want it applied once, not every time they log in |
| 18:28.59 | Fisker | deploy, let it run it's course, remove it |
| 18:29.00 | Fisker | duh |
| 18:29.22 | TC-Work | assuming everyone logs in and out on a decent schedule |
| 18:29.22 | Fisker | Though making a new GPO would probably just be easier |
| 18:29.25 | Fisker | also |
| 18:29.33 | TC-Work | no, adm's are fail |
| 18:29.36 | Fisker | i'm gonna suggest something awesome |
| 18:29.41 | Fisker | "go ahead and do it by hand" |
| 18:29.42 | Fisker | :3 |
| 18:29.54 | Cide | where are sc2 replays stored on macs? |
| 18:30.33 | Fisker | trash can Cide |
| 18:30.34 | TC-Work | Fisker: which is not what i asked, but thanks anyway |
| 18:31.31 | Fisker | I was looking into deploying a wep key without going full-blown 802.1x authentication with certificates and shit |
| 18:31.44 | Fisker | One of the results on google was "Well why not just do it by hand?" |
| 18:31.46 | Fisker | hurr |
| 18:32.02 | Arrowmaster | Cide: <acronym> ? or <abbr> ? i know one of them got removed in html5 in favor of using the more general one |
| 18:33.03 | Cide | ya, I meant acronym |
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| 18:33.21 | Cide | ok, abbr is in html5 so going with that then |
| 18:33.22 | Cide | thanks |
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| 18:36.44 | Cide | where are sc2 replays stored on macs? |
| 18:36.54 | Zasurus | Hiya |
| 18:37.56 | cog|work | Cide: http://www.sc2replayed.com/forums/sc2replayed-forums/general-discussion/189-information-about-replay-files |
| 18:38.36 | Cide | thank you |
| 18:42.32 | Zasurus | If you hook another addon's function is there any way to access the variables to the original .lua file? (As in variables the original code could access as it was local to the .lua file it was in) |
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| 18:47.43 | alestane | You can't access a function's upvalues by hooking it, no. |
| 18:48.19 | alestane | The function you hook with still originates from outside the file, so it still can't see those locals. |
| 18:55.09 | foxlit | "Do you expect me to cower before the mighty legion of [Character]?" "I've made no mistakes." |
| 18:55.15 | foxlit | Awesome exchange, really. |
| 18:56.00 | Zasurus | OK is there a way of overwriting those variables in the hooked routine so when it asks for what is a local variable in the file say "var1" it gets instead accesses the variable you gave it? I am using a prehook currently... |
| 18:56.57 | amro | I'm not sure what you mean. a function has access to variables within the scope in which it is defined |
| 18:57.15 | amro | it's probably better if you tell us what you're trying to achieve at the abstract level |
| 18:59.44 | Zasurus | Err ok I will try! LOL I am trying to add options into a addon's settings page it uses "AceConfigDialog-3.0" to create them and once they are there I can't find a way to update it so I need to overwrite the options table before it sends it to the AceConfigDialog-3.0 librarary... if that make ANY sence! ;-) |
| 19:00.18 | Cide | prefixing a sentence with LOL rarely ever makes any sense |
| 19:00.28 | Zasurus | This is true! |
| 19:00.32 | Zasurus | Soz |
| 19:01.14 | zenzelezz | Cide: what, maybe he finds it really amusing to try to add options |
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| 19:01.57 | Cide | then it should have been a postfix to the former sentence, not a prefix to the latter |
| 19:02.22 | zenzelezz | fair enough |
| 19:02.22 | amro | why can't blizzard use Faster as the base for fucking times in the game |
| 19:02.28 | amro | in sc2 |
| 19:03.25 | Cide | it's an evil plan to get you to waste less of their bandwidth |
| 19:03.34 | Cide | "I've played for TWO HOURS already? I gotta stop!" |
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| 19:03.40 | Zasurus | Unless there is a way to replace an already existing options page with a new one |
| 19:04.05 | batbot | Shirik fears to duel a bot, what a coward. |
| 19:04.50 | Zasurus | options page = when you press escape then interface then addons... the addon options pages you can now add to the seperate tab on the blizzard interface pane... I don't think my ability to explain things is working today! Sorry |
| 19:08.25 | zenzelezz | Zasurus: you want to add options to someone else's addon? |
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| 19:13.11 | cog|work | took blizzard 3 hours and 9 pages of posts to delete the marijuana bill thread on SC2 general ... |
| 19:14.51 | cog|work | amro: i don't think calling Normal Slow would be a big hit with the casual players :P |
| 19:16.33 | jnwhiteh | Zasurus: maybe don't use a library and just create your options panels so you can do that? |
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| 19:29.10 | amro | cog|work: does anyone even play on normal speed? |
| 19:29.17 | amro | it's forced on practice league but other than that... |
| 19:29.37 | amro | I'm sure the overwhelming majority of games are played on Faster |
| 19:29.53 | cog|work | single-player maybe |
| 19:30.31 | zenzelezz | I play on normal, cause I need enough time to think |
| 19:30.45 | zenzelezz | needless to say I'd be worse than awful in multiplayer |
| 19:30.56 | cog|work | zenzelezz: i just got demoted to bronze yesterday |
| 19:30.56 | amro | play on faster, hit pause when you want to think |
| 19:31.01 | cog|work | ton't tell me about awful :P |
| 19:31.02 | amro | or just go to the options and slow it down at will |
| 19:31.05 | cog|work | don't* |
| 19:31.10 | zenzelezz | pause is cheating |
| 19:31.14 | amro | not at all |
| 19:31.22 | amro | you have saves and autosaves and quick saves |
| 19:31.28 | amro | the campaign is a puzzle mode of sorts |
| 19:31.48 | amro | the AI isn't going to improvise, so you just need to figure out what build you need to do that gets you the win |
| 19:31.53 | amro | it's fun because there's more than one winning build |
| 19:32.25 | cog|work | also, when you get better, pause actually hurts your performance |
| 19:32.25 | amro | last night I did Outbreak on Brutal by abusing mass reapers |
| 19:32.31 | Arrowmaster | the shitty thing is how those builds can depend on the order you do the missions in |
| 19:32.44 | amro | yeah, but there's no correct order |
| 19:32.47 | amro | there's always a good build |
| 19:32.57 | amro | and on a second playthrough, you can look through them and decide |
| 19:33.12 | amro | like, hm I could use banshees here, so I'll skip it and do the one that gives me banshees first |
| 19:33.41 | cog|work | Arrowmaster: i got nearly to char but i still had some missions from Tychus |
| 19:33.49 | cog|work | like all but one of them |
| 19:33.58 | cog|work | i went through nearly the entire game with hardly any mech |
| 19:34.03 | amro | haha |
| 19:34.12 | amro | I got all the mech but I never used them |
| 19:34.19 | amro | on my first playthough, I just went MMM through the whole thing |
| 19:34.31 | amro | with firebats on zerg missions |
| 19:36.35 | foxlit | amro: mass ghost |
| 19:36.42 | Lunessa | RealID Friends of Friends and Facebook Friends features are live. Check your settings in battle.net. ;) |
| 19:37.01 | foxlit | Lunessa: is there now a checkbox for "I have no friends"? |
| 19:37.22 | Lunessa | foxlit: I'd have to check it. :P |
| 19:37.56 | Lunessa | But no, there's just two new checkboxes in RealID settings - I unchecked them. |
| 19:38.20 | Fisker | so |
| 19:38.22 | Fisker | EA caves in |
| 19:38.24 | Adys | amro: quit not being on gtalk |
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| 19:39.12 | Fisker | i'd use google talk if it didn't suck |
| 19:39.23 | Adys | what about it sucks? |
| 19:39.40 | Cide | uses too little bw |
| 19:39.41 | Cide | lolol |
| 19:39.56 | Fisker | i don't use it Adys |
| 19:40.07 | Fisker | sucks for me, maybe not so much for people on my contact list |
| 19:40.18 | Adys | Fisker: i dont get it |
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| 19:40.30 | Dashkal | Lunessa: Now all I need is a checkbox to hide my own friends list and I'll be happier... |
| 19:40.58 | Dashkal | Fisker: issue with XMPP? Cause if you hate googletalk, just use another client. |
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| 19:42.06 | Variability | sorry for the irrelevant question, harness = tight cooperation ? |
| 19:42.28 | Fisker | Dashkal imma msn fag |
| 19:42.46 | Fisker | really should migrate but i only have like 2 people on google talk |
| 19:42.58 | Adys | get a client that does both |
| 19:43.01 | Dashkal | multi-protocol clients rock |
| 19:43.03 | Dashkal | I use both |
| 19:43.18 | Adys | and on the 15th september of next month |
| 19:43.26 | Adys | fully migrate and delete your msn account |
| 19:43.40 | Fisker | what happens of september 15th last month? |
| 19:43.47 | Lunessa | Dashkal: Turn off RealID? |
| 19:43.50 | Adys | your mom happens |
| 19:43.51 | Dashkal | I have enough people on my list that I actually talk to that have no desire to migrate. So multi-protocol it stays |
| 19:43.53 | Adys | i meant next year |
| 19:43.55 | Fisker | that's what she said |
| 19:44.10 | Adys | Dashkal: keep trying to migrate some of them at least |
| 19:44.11 | Dashkal | Lunessa: That would be about the only solution. Still pissed with Mike... |
| 19:44.28 | Dashkal | Adys: They're the 'just don't care' types. Might as well motivate a rock |
| 19:44.52 | Adys | tell them that if they don't switch, you'll delete them off your list or something |
| 19:45.07 | Dashkal | lol, then they have to do the same with their friends, etc |
| 19:45.14 | Adys | fuck their friends |
| 19:45.22 | Dashkal | Yeah, I'm stick with the past of least resistance |
| 19:45.40 | Dashkal | Not like I trust Google any more than I trust Microsoft. So there's very little difference. |
| 19:45.50 | Adys | what? |
| 19:46.01 | Adys | you dont have to go through google servers |
| 19:46.02 | Lunessa | I have Adium and Trillian and I just login to all my IM accounts at once. Since I'm an original AIM development team member I |
| 19:46.08 | Dashkal | Actually, I trust Google LESS. They're better at actually getting at crap. |
| 19:46.09 | Adys | any jabber provider does the job |
| 19:46.11 | Lunessa | I'm keeping my AIM account. |
| 19:46.18 | Dashkal | If I'm talking to googletalk people, it goes through their servers |
| 19:46.28 | Dashkal | Firing up a local xmpp server doesn't stop that |
| 19:46.31 | Adys | it doesn't have to |
| 19:46.41 | Adys | google talk server supports the OTR extension |
| 19:46.52 | Adys | which forces the convo to be off the record |
| 19:47.02 | Adys | gmail even has an option for it |
| 19:47.03 | Dashkal | And you actually believe they aren't logging anyway? |
| 19:47.21 | Dashkal | That just keeps it out of my and their logs |
| 19:47.28 | Adys | why would you care? if they're not publicly logging, whats the problem? |
| 19:47.45 | Dashkal | Point is there's very little objective improvement over MSN for the end-user. |
| 19:47.46 | Adys | the fbi doesnt give a damn about your cybering with whoever :P |
| 19:47.51 | Adys | yes, there is |
| 19:47.59 | Adys | you can paste more than 5 lines of text for example |
| 19:48.29 | Dashkal | I've had that come up maybe twice with an msn contact. I don't past code in chat |
| 19:48.31 | Adys | or you don't get dc'd for 20 minutes because your connection dropped for half a second |
| 19:48.47 | Dashkal | That's a function of your client |
| 19:48.59 | Adys | no, it's not |
| 19:49.00 | Lunessa | *chuckle* Meanwhile, at the NSA Seekrit HQ "OMFG, Dashkal is showing his willie to one of our agents! Call out a Strike Team!" |
| 19:49.02 | Adys | not entirely anwyay |
| 19:49.19 | Adys | msn servers don't keep anything alive, ever |
| 19:49.21 | Adys | and the worst part |
| 19:49.22 | Dashkal | Lunessa: No, no I don't think they actually care about me. |
| 19:49.39 | Adys | they wont reply with any sort of update, letting you know when you got dc'd |
| 19:49.39 | Lunessa | Dashkal: I was just using you for humor. Nothing personal. |
| 19:50.21 | Adys | meaning you can stay dc'd off msn for ages until you figure out that you are offline and reconnect |
| 19:50.35 | Adys | sometimes the client can do that check more often for you but it's pointless |
| 19:50.37 | Dashkal | I just don't see that issue in practice |
| 19:50.50 | Dashkal | definite case of WORKSFORME |
| 19:50.58 | Adys | msn doesnt support formatted text |
| 19:51.03 | Dashkal | GOOD |
| 19:51.20 | Dashkal | And I turn off the stupid icons they do too |
| 19:51.34 | Adys | "icons" are a client feature |
| 19:51.48 | Adys | my point is you cant do an url, or bold or whatever the hell on msn |
| 19:52.13 | amro | it does support it, but only globally on the message |
| 19:52.15 | amro | you can't mix styles |
| 19:52.20 | Adys | ah yeah |
| 19:52.27 | Adys | it's so stupid |
| 19:52.40 | amro | yeah it's been more than a decade, fix that stupid shit >< |
| 19:52.48 | Adys | oh and lastly Dashkal |
| 19:52.57 | Adys | actually not lastly |
| 19:53.12 | Adys | you cant connect to a msn acc from more than one location |
| 19:53.30 | amro | and their servers are just horribly slow |
| 19:53.35 | amro | sometimes you can't get on at all |
| 19:53.44 | Adys | and lastly as i meant |
| 19:53.47 | Arrowmaster | Adys: actually apparently you can |
| 19:53.49 | amro | scratch that- most of the time you can't get on |
| 19:53.52 | Adys | it doesnt support contact status sync |
| 19:53.53 | Adys | meaning |
| 19:53.55 | Arrowmaster | just you have to be using the latest version of their client |
| 19:54.16 | Adys | if a contact exits msn not cleanly |
| 19:54.23 | Adys | they'll still appear online |
| 19:54.26 | Adys | for like 30 minutes |
| 19:54.34 | amro | cog|work: just got Zerg Solo 10 \o/ |
| 19:54.46 | Adys | Arrowmaster: finally |
| 19:54.50 | Adys | still incredibly stupid |
| 19:54.54 | Dashkal | I've yet to see a clean way of handling multi-connect |
| 19:55.03 | Dashkal | I dislike how google does it. |
| 19:55.10 | Arrowmaster | you mean how XMPP does it? |
| 19:55.16 | cog|work | amro: i got my solo 5 yesterday right before i lost my demotion-earning match |
| 19:55.20 | Dashkal | Assuming google does it to spec, yes. I've never confirmed that |
| 19:55.24 | Adys | no |
| 19:55.37 | Adys | i think he means how google handles multiple location receptions |
| 19:55.45 | Dashkal | Adys: Exactly |
| 19:55.53 | Dashkal | It's almost random which connections get messages |
| 19:55.55 | Adys | and he's right, gmail tends to steal reception focus |
| 19:56.02 | Adys | Dashkal: it's not random |
| 19:56.17 | Adys | it's to the last client that polled the server, but |
| 19:56.18 | Lunessa | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/27026323925/the-quot-never-had-a-blue-post-in-my-thread-quot-club/ - Lylirra++ for "Big Trouble in Little China" references. |
| 19:56.27 | Adys | some terribad clients only send to one location |
| 19:56.29 | Adys | cf: miranda |
| 19:56.30 | Dashkal | I know, it's not like it picks one at random to sent it to, but it comes out effectively similar. Unpredictable would be a better term |
| 19:56.31 | nevcairiel | It should track conversations, somehow |
| 19:56.50 | nevcairiel | you're somehwat unlikely to change location while talking to someone |
| 19:56.54 | Dashkal | I was under the impression that XMPP could track conversations via the resource field |
| 19:57.02 | amro | it does |
| 19:57.03 | Adys | it does track conversations |
| 19:57.04 | Adys | but |
| 19:57.06 | Adys | as i said |
| 19:57.17 | Adys | some clients dont respect the xmpp protocol properly |
| 19:57.22 | Adys | they try to be smart |
| 19:57.27 | Adys | and send to only one resource |
| 19:57.28 | amro | some clients dont respect your sister properly |
| 19:57.39 | Adys | they should send to ALL resources, and let those resources handle conversation status |
| 19:57.57 | Adys | Teomyr: hi |
| 19:57.58 | Dashkal | Well, I'm sure the resource doesn't match between the two most common I use (Pidgin/GMail) |
| 19:58.03 | Adys | Teomyr: fix your fucking client |
| 19:58.05 | Adys | Teomyr: ty |
| 19:58.22 | Adys | pidgin is fine (fuck, i dont want to say that) |
| 19:58.35 | Dashkal | Heh, I feel that |
| 19:58.38 | amro | libpurple is fine :P |
| 19:58.40 | amro | pidgin is not |
| 19:58.49 | Adys | libpurple isnt fine |
| 19:58.53 | Adys | libpurple depends on gtk |
| 19:59.01 | Adys | libpurple is retardnessed |
| 19:59.01 | Dashkal | O.o tf? |
| 19:59.08 | Adys | yes |
| 19:59.10 | amro | probably because it uses gobject gayness |
| 19:59.12 | Dashkal | Why the HELL did they do that? |
| 19:59.15 | Adys | no, worse amro |
| 19:59.23 | Adys | libpurple pops message boxes when it wants to |
| 19:59.29 | Dashkal | glib could actually be forgiven, GTK outright? |
| 20:00.05 | Adys | adium has libpurple hacks to actually compile afaik |
| 20:00.11 | Adys | its so stupid |
| 20:00.19 | amro | well as far as protocols go I meant |
| 20:01.00 | Adys | anyway point is |
| 20:01.04 | Dashkal | *nods* libpurple does seem to have a decent XMPP implementation |
| 20:01.09 | Adys | xmpp is 1000 times better than msn |
| 20:01.15 | Adys | i mean fuck, seriously |
| 20:01.18 | nevcairiel | isnt there a reference implementation to xmpp |
| 20:01.19 | Dashkal | Wouldn't have been my first choice already (not too fond of those developers) |
| 20:01.33 | nevcairiel | Adys: thats not hard, msn is like the worst protocol out there |
| 20:01.46 | Dashkal | Adys: To get back to our original point. Sure XMPP is better for some purposes, but none of those reasons matter to joe user. |
| 20:01.58 | nevcairiel | you know, i think the microsoft msn messenger still has those security flaws |
| 20:02.01 | Dashkal | And a good number of my actual friends are very much joe user. |
| 20:02.28 | Dashkal | Hell, I don't think half of them would even be aware if while idling they ghosted for awhile |
| 20:02.51 | Adys | Dashkal: dude |
| 20:02.51 | amro | Dashkal: then that same joe user wouldn't have any reason not to switch other than laziness |
| 20:02.56 | Dashkal | nevcairiel: wouldn't surprise me. Glad I almost never have to fire up the actual client. |
| 20:02.59 | Adys | there are reasons that matter to joe user |
| 20:03.14 | Dashkal | amro: laziness > all what other reason do they need to stay? |
| 20:03.18 | Adys | but if joeuser is a braindamaged idiot who thinks having a nail in his balls is "fine, I can live with it" |
| 20:03.21 | Adys | his problem |
| 20:03.32 | Adys | but im sorry |
| 20:03.38 | Dashkal | Adys: Not that. Just doesn't care. None of those are compelling enough. |
| 20:03.43 | amro | Dashkal: laziness is not a valid reason |
| 20:03.46 | nevcairiel | for most people that is fine, because going to the doctor getting it out is hard work :p |
| 20:03.53 | Dashkal | The real test is "Does this let me talk to friends when I need to?" And they say yes. End of story |
| 20:03.59 | amro | they just can't be bothered, which is their problem |
| 20:04.00 | Adys | "pasting a bunch of text" and "always seeing online status" and "connecting from two locations" |
| 20:04.07 | amro | it doesn't somehow justify their position |
| 20:04.08 | Adys | are things that matter to joe user |
| 20:04.27 | nevcairiel | joe user usually just picks whatever client his friends use |
| 20:04.27 | amro | also, jane user wants cam support. |
| 20:04.32 | nevcairiel | its a damn snowball effect thing |
| 20:04.32 | amro | ^ |
| 20:04.39 | Dashkal | amro: Googletalk has that now :P |
| 20:04.48 | Adys | ya |
| 20:04.48 | amro | I know |
| 20:05.07 | Dashkal | Though I'd be surprised if pidgin EVER supports it. They've been promising A/V for 10 years now. |
| 20:05.23 | Adys | it does. |
| 20:05.25 | Dashkal | Yeah, it was back in the gaim days that it was originaly announced |
| 20:05.33 | Adys | pidgin has a dep on gstreamer since the 2.6 line |
| 20:05.43 | nevcairiel | it supports it, but a bit limited |
| 20:05.53 | Dashkal | hmm, will have to poke at that. I haven't seen it |
| 20:06.08 | Dashkal | Not having to log into gmail at the same time would deal with the multi-connect issues that drive me up the wall |
| 20:06.33 | nevcairiel | What they still have up on their list is MSN video support |
| 20:06.38 | nevcairiel | they only support xmpp |
| 20:06.45 | nevcairiel | but hey, good enough for the sane people :p |
| 20:07.14 | Adys | gmail's xmpp support is incredible |
| 20:07.15 | Adys | i mean |
| 20:07.32 | nevcairiel | for a web interface, you mean? :p |
| 20:07.59 | Adys | maybe as a linux user im not used to have a big corp distributing a native plugin for my native architecture on my native browser working with my native audio system and out of the box with webcam and usb microphone |
| 20:08.36 | Adys | oh and |
| 20:08.38 | Adys | "it doesnt suck" |
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| 20:10.39 | Dashkal | I found that the linux support wasn't as good in practice. Laggier video feed. |
| 20:10.53 | Dashkal | Small sample size, still. Could just be random lag |
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| 20:27.11 | Shirik | so I totally forget |
| 20:27.18 | Shirik | was shadowform always around or did that come in BC? |
| 20:27.24 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:27.25 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:27.30 | Shirik | I mean nobody was shadow in vanilla so it doesn't really matter but I'm curious |
| 20:27.32 | amro | it was always around |
| 20:27.34 | amro | but it was shitty |
| 20:27.36 | Fisker | i don't think it was always around actually |
| 20:27.43 | Fisker | but it was in vanilla at some point :P |
| 20:27.43 | amro | yeah it was |
| 20:27.47 | zenzelezz | know what would be cool? If shadow priests had no model, only a shadow on the ground |
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| 20:28.04 | amro | that wouldn't be cool at all |
| 20:28.04 | TC-Work | Shirik: i leveled as holy in vanilla |
| 20:28.07 | amro | unless they also can't see you |
| 20:28.12 | TC-Work | that took quite some time |
| 20:28.13 | Shirik | I leveled as holy in BC! |
| 20:28.34 | TC-Work | i leveled as prot pally in vanilla as well |
| 20:28.41 | TC-Work | that took even longer |
| 20:28.47 | amro | huh |
| 20:28.52 | amro | I find tank levelling to be the easiest |
| 20:28.52 | nevcairiel | i leveled my druid as resto, that was kinda weird as well |
| 20:28.56 | Mikk | Holy was win dps when you could get hold of spellpower gear |
| 20:28.59 | TC-Work | but i was able to start a fight, get a sandwich and come back before anything really happened |
| 20:29.00 | amro | pull 20 mobs without caring |
| 20:29.12 | nevcairiel | Mikk: spell power in vanilla, before raids? you wish |
| 20:29.15 | Mikk | smite spam outdpsed anything in MC :P |
| 20:29.25 | TC-Work | amro: easy yes, aslo very very slow |
| 20:29.26 | Mikk | eh nevc all the nonset nice blues with spellpower |
| 20:29.34 | Mikk | kinda pwnd all the set pieces |
| 20:29.39 | Mikk | and i do mean the purple ones |
| 20:29.46 | nevcairiel | because you wore so much blues when leveling |
| 20:29.46 | amro | if you grinded your way up yeah |
| 20:30.06 | Mikk | nono, you could forget about spellpower until 60 |
| 20:30.07 | TC-Work | which i did |
| 20:30.13 | Mikk | this is true |
| 20:30.36 | Mikk | i'm just saying smite was f*king amazing in MC =) |
| 20:30.42 | Mikk | especially if some pally got put on JoCrusader duty =) |
| 20:31.02 | Mikk | (right up until he judged the +threat-on-holy one for lols anyway ;)) |
| 20:31.10 | zenzelezz | <amro> pull 20 mobs without caring <-- from what I've heard, that won't be (quite) as easy in Cataclysm |
| 20:31.28 | Mikk | no, they say heroics will actually hurt again |
| 20:31.29 | Mikk | (omg) |
| 20:31.29 | nevcairiel | only thing i still know about priests in vanilla is that they didnt manage to keep their mana together, and we poor druids never had an innervate for ourself |
| 20:31.41 | Mikk | very true nev |
| 20:31.46 | Mikk | and druid healing == stopcast HT |
| 20:31.56 | nevcairiel | we downranked too! |
| 20:32.13 | nevcairiel | well, maybe not in MC |
| 20:32.18 | nevcairiel | we werent all that smart back then |
| 20:32.19 | Mikk | you could always spot the druids. they were the ones slowly but certainly sliding left out of the raidgroup. |
| 20:32.46 | Mikk | except for the really skilled ones that alternated strafe left&right :P |
| 20:32.53 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 20:32.55 | nevcairiel | i jumped |
| 20:33.01 | Mikk | baaad =P |
| 20:33.25 | nevcairiel | or did a step forward, i think, which had to be corrected at some point |
| 20:33.37 | nevcairiel | you can actually take very tiny steps :d |
| 20:33.59 | Mikk | =) |
| 20:34.14 | nevcairiel | too long time ago |
| 20:34.28 | zenzelezz | I have a really embarrassing memory from Anarchy Online... once, they released a new raid, and we got together a bunch of groups (each group in AO was six people). Being a high-level character, I had enough +haste that my teleport spell was instant. My group was not amused when I accidentally ported us all out |
| 20:34.40 | Fisker | robert knepper Shirik |
| 20:34.41 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 20:35.12 | Mikk | hahaha |
| 20:36.16 | amro | zenzelezz: I hope so |
| 20:36.17 | amro | aoe is disgusting |
| 20:36.47 | nevcairiel | woot, i'm finally through the queue on the beta realm |
| 20:36.55 | zenzelezz | hey, the team port spell was very popular *after* raids |
| 20:36.57 | Cide | age of empires is certainly not disgusting |
| 20:37.37 | amro | too bad nobody plays it |
| 20:37.46 | Cide | aoe2 was the best |
| 20:37.49 | amro | yeah |
| 20:37.52 | amro | age of conquerors |
| 20:38.00 | amro | I still play it |
| 20:38.53 | Cide | my stupid friends kept banning me from playing teutons |
| 20:38.57 | Cide | bitches |
| 20:39.54 | amro | ahaha |
| 20:40.01 | amro | teutons aren't even that problematic >< |
| 20:40.05 | amro | now saracens... |
| 20:40.31 | Cide | saracens' unique unit is pretty good also |
| 20:40.38 | amro | mass mamelukes > every possible combination of units other than mameluke |
| 20:40.41 | amro | serioulsy |
| 20:40.46 | amro | no combination comes even close |
| 20:40.54 | amro | you just get your castle and mass mamelukes |
| 20:41.07 | amro | maybe a trebuchet or two, but don't even need em |
| 20:41.17 | Cide | hey |
| 20:41.20 | Gnarfoz | balanced game is balanced? |
| 20:41.28 | amro | aoe was never meant to be balanced |
| 20:41.37 | Cide | pop for pop, elephants beat mamelukes |
| 20:41.39 | amro | but if you ban saracens and byzantines, the rest are mostly balanced |
| 20:41.44 | amro | no they don't |
| 20:41.47 | Cide | sure they do |
| 20:41.49 | amro | mamelukes will kite those elephants all day long |
| 20:42.08 | Cide | sure |
| 20:42.12 | amro | you can take out one elephant in 1-2 volleys, then move back |
| 20:42.12 | Cide | but that doesn't stop me from owning your base |
| 20:42.18 | amro | yeah it does |
| 20:42.21 | Cide | nope |
| 20:42.38 | Cide | U R WROANG |
| 20:42.41 | amro | sure it does |
| 20:42.48 | amro | besides, you would never get sufficient elephants anyway |
| 20:42.52 | Cide | right |
| 20:42.54 | amro | mamelukes are far easier to mass |
| 20:42.54 | Cide | hence pop for pop |
| 20:42.55 | Adys | http://dpaste.com/251666/ |
| 20:42.58 | Adys | dont you HATE |
| 20:43.00 | Adys | when this happens |
| 20:43.01 | amro | yeah but I won't let you get that far :P |
| 20:43.34 | Adys | amro |
| 20:43.35 | Adys | seriously |
| 20:43.42 | Cide | fail bug? |
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| 20:43.44 | Adys | stop not being on gtalk |
| 20:43.50 | Adys | Cide: i worked six hours on this |
| 20:43.54 | Cide | nice job |
| 20:44.02 | Cide | pdb ftw |
| 20:44.12 | Adys | not even close |
| 20:44.14 | Cide | pdb + komodo |
| 20:44.55 | Shirik | pdb ftl |
| 20:45.00 | amro | Cide: mass mamelukes > pdb + komodo. |
| 20:45.14 | Cide | Shirik: komodo has a nice frontend to pdb |
| 20:45.15 | Shirik | wtf is komodo |
| 20:45.16 | Cide | which makes it not suck |
| 20:45.19 | Cide | my ide |
| 20:45.30 | Shirik | how about you make it work with visual studio |
| 20:45.30 | Cide | amro: I'm sure |
| 20:45.30 | amro | I thought it was your pet reptile |
| 20:45.32 | zenzelezz | Cide: you use Komodo IDE then, not Edit? |
| 20:45.42 | Cide | yeah |
| 20:45.57 | zenzelezz | do you find it worth the cost? I'm using Edit a lot at work lately |
| 20:46.04 | Cide | I just use the release candidate atm |
| 20:46.25 | Cide | for komodo ide 6 |
| 20:46.32 | Cide | but I really like the editor so not sure what I'll do when it expires |
| 20:47.14 | Cide | Shirik: not really sure what you want from vs for python |
| 20:47.52 | Cide | komodo does syntax highlighting, jumping to definition, code overview (modules/classes/functions), a similar project browser |
| 20:48.06 | Cide | source control integration |
| 20:48.10 | Cide | database views |
| 20:48.14 | Cide | it's simply awesome |
| 20:48.23 | amro | Shirik: how about you stop using visual studio |
| 20:50.11 | amro | ~ping |
| 20:50.11 | purl | ~pong |
| 20:51.39 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:51.39 | Fisker | slaps amro around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:51.40 | Fisker | slaps Cide around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:52.00 | amro | slaps Fisker around a bit with a large dick |
| 20:52.02 | Cide | thank you Shirik |
| 20:52.03 | Cide | err |
| 20:52.05 | Cide | thank you Fisker |
| 20:52.15 | Fisker | sno problem Cide |
| 20:52.20 | Fisker | snow problem? |
| 20:52.33 | Cide | sno patrol |
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| 21:04.09 | Fisker | hey Cide |
| 21:05.54 | Torhal | Get crazy with the Cheez Wiz Fisker. |
| 21:06.04 | Fisker | hey Torhal |
| 21:06.15 | Fisker | hey? |
| 21:06.17 | Fisker | Torhal? |
| 21:06.21 | Torhal | FOO! |
| 21:06.22 | Fisker | hello? |
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| 21:08.59 | Cide | huh. |
| 21:09.04 | Cide | what did that come out as for you? |
| 21:09.13 | Torhal | Cide: "huh" |
| 21:09.17 | Cide | before that |
| 21:09.24 | Torhal | I saw nothing |
| 21:09.29 | Cide | ah |
| 21:09.39 | Torhal | Unless you're talking about "sno patrol" |
| 21:09.42 | Cide | nah |
| 21:10.12 | Cide | pidgin has an "insert horizontal rule" button but apparently it's just local |
| 21:10.19 | Fisker | Cide just C/P'd all his porn folders into mirc |
| 21:10.23 | Fisker | yeah |
| 21:10.24 | Fisker | MIRC |
| 21:18.01 | nevcairiel | Is Archaelogy yielding so much XP intended, or a bug? |
| 21:21.13 | Fisker | what if it's both? |
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| 21:23.00 | nevcairiel | those are mutually exclusive |
| 21:23.05 | TC-Work | unpossible Fisker |
| 21:26.42 | Fisker | not really nevcairiel |
| 21:27.26 | nevcairiel | eithers its intended, or its not |
| 21:27.29 | nevcairiel | there is no both |
| 21:28.15 | Fisker | You didn't say intended or not |
| 21:28.18 | Fisker | you said intended or a bug |
| 21:28.28 | nevcairiel | bug being not intended, thats pretty obvious :p |
| 21:28.51 | nevcairiel | you wouldnt call it a bug if its intended, thats just common sense :p |
| 21:29.08 | Fisker | You can still get the amount by a bug even if it is intended |
| 21:29.33 | Fisker | am a huge jerk |
| 21:29.40 | nevcairiel | you dont make much sense |
| 21:29.49 | Fisker | i won the game nevcairiel |
| 21:29.51 | nevcairiel | either the amount is intended, or there is a bug thats screws with the amount |
| 21:29.53 | Fisker | feigning ignorance doesn't work |
| 21:30.12 | nevcairiel | meh server restart |
| 21:30.21 | Fisker | anyway i think it's intended |
| 21:30.42 | Fisker | takes some time and it doesn't give you guild experience, and i believe no rep as well |
| 21:30.43 | Fisker | :( |
| 21:32.58 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 21:33.08 | Fisker | when will i be getting mah UEFI? |
| 21:33.11 | Torhal | watches in horror as nevcairiel feeds the troll. |
| 21:33.32 | Fisker | i'm such a jerk rite? |
| 21:33.44 | Torhal | Are you? |
| 21:33.49 | Torhal | How does that make you feel? |
| 21:34.14 | Fisker | idk Torhal |
| 21:35.20 | nevcairiel | javax.servlet.ServletException: Couldn't perform transform with stylesheet [/_layout/pageIndex.xsl] in XSLT view with name [class:com.blizzard.armory.view.base.SimpleIndexView:/_layout/pageIndex.xsl] |
| 21:35.25 | nevcairiel | i love whent hat happens to the armory :P |
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| 21:36.50 | Cide | xslt is like the ugly child of a family of web technologies |
| 21:37.17 | nevcairiel | the concept is nice, but i dont like xslt itself =/ |
| 21:37.33 | stew-a | indeed, it even makes xml who's the ok-looking child look better by comparison :P |
| 21:38.08 | Galvin | This is interesting I get holy_power events for targets, but unitpower doesn't return any holy power for the target. |
| 21:38.21 | Fisker | a |
| 21:38.21 | Fisker | b |
| 21:39.39 | foxlit | "On Monday, Oct. 4, the WoW.com domain will no longer redirect you to us here at wow.joystiq.com" |
| 21:40.16 | Cide | okay? |
| 21:40.48 | foxlit | It kind of doesn't answer the most obvious question: what will wow.com be doing on that monday? |
| 21:40.50 | Cide | what are they doing with wow.com? |
| 21:40.55 | Cide | damn you foxlit |
| 21:42.39 | nevcairiel | I still think blizzard got them to give it up |
| 21:42.59 | foxlit | You'd think there'd be more fanfare |
| 21:43.03 | foxlit | If that was the case |
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| 21:45.05 | foxlit | http://www.zazzle.com/keyboard_cataclysm_tshirt-235934886731543328 |
| 21:45.08 | foxlit | Why is it not black. |
| 21:45.37 | Cide | white is the new black |
| 21:46.09 | Lunessa | black is the new black. It's also the old black. |
| 21:46.14 | foxlit | http://www.zazzle.com/pd/realviewpopup?url=http://rlv.zcache.com/isapi/designall.dll%3Faction%3Drealview%26pdt%3Dshirt%26pending%3Dfalse%26pid%3D235934886731543328%26rvtype%3Dproduct%26view%3Dfront%26max_dim%3D822%26bg%3D0xffffff%26square_it%3Dtrue%26draw_relative_size%3Dtrue%26style%3Dbasic_dark_tshirt%26color%3Dblack%26size%3Da_l%26context%3Dmfong%26side_front%3Dvert%26group%3Dmens%26lifestyle%3Dclassic%26lifeStyle%3Dclassic%26d |
| 21:46.14 | foxlit | aboundingbox%3Dfalse%26drawsafearea%3Dfalse%26view_auto%3D1.4&dim=822 |
| 21:46.17 | foxlit | okay, black sucks too |
| 21:46.19 | Cide | nice one |
| 21:46.27 | Cide | that's not black |
| 21:46.32 | Cide | the box border is black |
| 21:46.36 | foxlit | That is "Basic Dark T-Shirt: Black " |
| 21:46.44 | foxlit | They're superimposing a digital image on a photograph. |
| 21:46.53 | foxlit | I fully expect them to get the colors wrong :) |
| 21:46.55 | Cide | true |
| 21:47.00 | Cide | it's fugly in any case |
| 21:47.16 | foxlit | Guess part of the motif was transparent |
| 21:47.24 | foxlit | Or they were stupid and assumed white == transparent |
| 21:47.51 | Cide | it makes pink all the better though |
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| 21:48.32 | foxlit | http://www.zazzle.com/fire_is_not_a_buff_tshirt-235384579729992196 |
| 21:48.58 | foxlit | adys would clearly wear http://www.zazzle.com/im_exalted_with_your_mom_tshirt-235509257790543252 |
| 21:49.31 | Adys | i dont do nearly that much repgrind anymore |
| 21:49.43 | Cide | s/rep// |
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| 21:53.53 | zenzelezz | reputation with your mom isn't difficult, she has a daily repeatable quest |
| 21:54.35 | amro | grinding your mom isn't difficult |
| 21:54.49 | zenzelezz | you'd know |
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| 22:29.21 | Galvin | The mpq reader I have can't open some of the ptr mpq files, did blizzard change the format? |
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| 22:32.18 | Cide | they did this thing called streaming client |
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| 22:39.21 | Galvin | Yeah I know but everything is downloaded for the ptr. |
| 22:40.14 | alestane | Apparently "everything" != everything? |
| 22:40.34 | Galvin | Anyway no biggy. How can I get the color of one texture and set that color to another texture that is desaturated, I try using getvertexcolor then setting that RGB to a desaturated texture but the color didn't come out the same. |
| 22:42.02 | Galvin | the desaturated texture is the same texure as the colored one. |
| 22:42.35 | Galvin | The launcher says everything is downloaded :) |
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| 22:50.13 | Galvin | Or is there a formula that I can use to change a colored textured to any color? |
| 22:52.06 | Humbedooh | not really, you can only tint it |
| 22:52.45 | Galvin | Ok so what about being ablt to desaturate it but set it to the same color as before? |
| 22:52.50 | Humbedooh | start off by loading a grayscale texture instead and then color it as you see fit |
| 22:53.17 | Galvin | yes thats my thinking desaturate it then I can set colors to it but I need to be able to set it to the original color as well as a default. |
| 22:54.10 | Humbedooh | the original color? |
| 22:54.17 | Galvin | but getvertexcolor of a saturated texture doesn't come out the same on a desaturated texture, how can I make it the same? |
| 22:54.48 | Galvin | Yes I would like to color the holy runes blizzard uses to a user selected color. |
| 22:55.35 | Humbedooh | have you tried just removing the desaturation? ;p |
| 22:56.19 | Galvin | trying that now |
| 22:56.22 | Humbedooh | and then set the vertex color back to uhm.. 1,1,1,1 |
| 22:56.40 | Galvin | Nah that makes it all white |
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| 22:56.55 | Humbedooh | it shouldn't |
| 22:57.16 | Galvin | I didn't do any setvertexcolor to it just desaturated it and it went all white. |
| 22:57.46 | Galvin | which brings me back to the problem of how I can desaturate it and have it stay the asme color? |
| 22:57.54 | Humbedooh | just make a local copy of the textures ;p |
| 22:58.08 | Galvin | hows that help? |
| 22:58.12 | Humbedooh | one grayscale for coloring and one with original colors |
| 22:58.24 | Humbedooh | then you can switch from one to another |
| 22:58.29 | Galvin | but isn't that one desaturate is doing? |
| 22:58.33 | Galvin | *what |
| 22:58.40 | Humbedooh | apparently it's not doing it well :) |
| 22:59.21 | Galvin | if I do this getvertexcolor, desaturate, set back the colors from setvertexcolor doesn't give me the original color before desaturation. |
| 22:59.47 | Humbedooh | of course not |
| 22:59.59 | Humbedooh | desaturating a texture evens out the r, g and b values |
| 23:00.16 | Galvin | yes, but you can still color a desaturated texture |
| 23:00.27 | Humbedooh | so if you set the vertex color back, you'll get an image that's either too much or too little in saturation |
| 23:01.02 | Galvin | so is there a formula I can use to get the right color back? |
| 23:01.09 | Humbedooh | try setting it to the original texture instead when changing color |
| 23:01.26 | Galvin | eh? |
| 23:01.32 | Humbedooh | that is, if you don't wanna have it grayscale, reset it to the original texture with SetTexture() |
| 23:01.56 | Galvin | setvertexcolor is confusing on textures that already have color. |
| 23:02.30 | Humbedooh | if you wanna revert to the original colors, you have to reapply the original texture |
| 23:02.38 | Galvin | well would of be cool if the user could change the runes from the default yellow to anycolor, but seems like its a real bitch to code. |
| 23:02.51 | Humbedooh | should be simple enough |
| 23:03.09 | Humbedooh | if user wants to change color; get the texture, set it to grayscale, tint it |
| 23:03.21 | Galvin | get vertextcolor on the yellow runs returns .99 for rgb |
| 23:03.22 | Humbedooh | if the user wants the original colors: fetch the original texture file |
| 23:05.34 | Galvin | yeah I guess I wanted seemless so when they use the color picker its already on the default color. |
| 23:06.09 | Humbedooh | ah, well that you can't do |
| 23:06.29 | Adys | Have blizzcon tickets been sent yet? |
| 23:06.29 | Humbedooh | unless you figure out the default color yourself and hardcode it |
| 23:06.32 | Adys | Shadowed, whoever |
| 23:06.37 | Shadowed | what |
| 23:06.41 | Shadowed | no Adys |
| 23:06.43 | Shadowed | I'm not actually sure why |
| 23:07.12 | Galvin | Well is a desaturated texture can be anycolor, then wouldn't it be possible to make a desaturated texture the same color as one saturated? |
| 23:07.17 | Galvin | *if |
| 23:07.36 | Humbedooh | only to a certain degree |
| 23:07.43 | Humbedooh | and only if it's a duotone image |
| 23:07.53 | Galvin | duetone? |
| 23:07.59 | Galvin | duotone |
| 23:08.06 | Humbedooh | you know...black/white, yellow/green etc |
| 23:08.12 | Humbedooh | goes from one color to another |
| 23:08.26 | Galvin | as you can see I know nothing about how textures work just that they make things look cool :) |
| 23:08.39 | Humbedooh | if it's desaturated, both r, g and b are the same value |
| 23:08.58 | Humbedooh | so you can only go from black to whatever color you set the vertex color to |
| 23:09.28 | Galvin | Unless I'm wrong once the texture is desaturated its just a greyscale texture right? |
| 23:09.45 | Humbedooh | internally, yes |
| 23:10.04 | Galvin | isn't that how statusbar colors work the bar is greyscale then you set it to anycolor. |
| 23:10.13 | Humbedooh | yup |
| 23:10.20 | Galvin | so why cant I do that for this then? :) |
| 23:10.40 | Humbedooh | because it's not originally a grayscale image? ;< |
| 23:10.55 | Humbedooh | I dunno if desaturating changes the actual texture or just the rendering of it |
| 23:11.25 | Galvin | Was hoping blizzard just did the same thing colored it yellow from a greyscale with what ever tools they use. |
| 23:11.32 | Humbedooh | so, go make a grayscale version of the image you wanna use and then use that one instead |
| 23:12.13 | Galvin | I dont even know how to make textures, I could just desaturate it then find the closest color to the original. |
| 23:12.23 | Humbedooh | http://wowprogramming.com/utils/artbrowser/PlayerFrame |
| 23:12.44 | Humbedooh | get the icons you need, then open 'em up with a gfx proggy like GIMP or whatever |
| 23:12.48 | Humbedooh | and desaturate them |
| 23:12.57 | Humbedooh | then save them as TGA files in your addon folder |
| 23:13.18 | Galvin | Blizzards holy runes are not as simple as deathknights, they use one file and use texcoords. |
| 23:13.39 | Humbedooh | shouldn't make it any more difficult |
| 23:13.55 | Humbedooh | it's just one big image you need to desaturate and save as tga in your folder then |
| 23:14.25 | Galvin | I can just desaturate internally, why go thru all that work? |
| 23:14.26 | Humbedooh | hm holy runes, is that the new paladin thingy? |
| 23:14.33 | Galvin | holy runes are for holy power |
| 23:14.48 | Humbedooh | well you're complaining, so obviously you can't just do what you're doing :p |
| 23:14.52 | Galvin | theres 3 of them, and they have the bar texture in that file too. |
| 23:15.04 | Humbedooh | what class is this? ;\ |
| 23:15.12 | Galvin | Interface\PlayerFrame\Paladin\PaladinPowerTextures |
| 23:15.16 | Galvin | PTR holy power |
| 23:15.20 | Adys | Kalroth |
| 23:15.50 | Galvin | I have a fully working holy power bar, then decided how cool would it be if the colors could be changed. |
| 23:15.51 | Kalroth | Awwys |
| 23:16.15 | Adys | Kalroth: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHJWDGD2BAM |
| 23:16.41 | Kalroth | its all gibberish to me |
| 23:18.11 | Humbedooh | coffee time! |
| 23:18.29 | Humbedooh | I'll try and fiddle around with those textures later on, Galvin, and see if I can work my magic on them |
| 23:18.49 | Galvin | I ratehr stick with the internal textures though incase blizzard changes them. |
| 23:19.14 | Humbedooh | I'll see if I can work mah magic on those as well |
| 23:19.33 | Humbedooh | in the meantime..! |
| 23:19.38 | Galvin | Theres gotta be a math formula where you can get the color of the texture back as desaturated or so close the user can't tell :) thanks though |
| 23:19.41 | Humbedooh | go have some fun with http://www.wowace.com/addons/rendergnome/ ! |
| 23:19.54 | Humbedooh | and import http://www.wowace.com/addons/rendergnome/pages/sample-svg-image/ into it and pull the poor cat apart! |
| 23:20.10 | Humbedooh | or make it a googley eyed cat ;> |
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| 23:34.31 | Mikk | are you batshit insane? =) |
| 23:34.57 | Adys | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGtKGX8B9hU |
| 23:34.58 | Adys | Kalroth |
| 23:34.59 | Adys | ^ |
| 23:35.02 | Adys | and Mikk |
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| 23:35.47 | stew-a | i saw libsvg halfway through, and it made a pretty good job of drawing a graph i borrowed from wikipedia :P |
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| 23:40.04 | Asheru | Hey all anyone seen Cairenn on? |
| 23:40.21 | TC-Work | ~seen cairenn |
| 23:40.29 | purl | cairenn <~Guest9566@MMOI/Administratrix/Cairenn> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 1d 1h 19m 43s ago, saying: 'yay'. |
| 23:41.58 | Asheru | TY purl and TC |
| 23:42.05 | TC-Work | ~botsnack |
| 23:42.05 | purl | TC-Work: :) |
| 23:42.49 | Mikk | Adys: COOOFFEEEEEEEE |
| 23:43.02 | Adys | COFFEE |
| 23:44.12 | TC-Work | FAIL |
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| 23:50.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: what |
| 23:56.59 | Cide | wat* |
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