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| 00:07.44 | DWSR | I'm not a huge fan of Python <--- fix't. |
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| 00:14.32 | TC-Work | I'm not a huge fan of Pythons <--- fix't [Proper] |
| 00:14.57 | Jerub | tbh, the list comprehension right to left thing is something that upsets me too. |
| 00:15.04 | Jerub | <- owner of #python |
| 00:15.25 | Cide | hmm? |
| 00:15.36 | Cide | it's because of the mathematical notation for set building |
| 00:15.41 | DWSR | I'm not a huge fan. <--- fix't [Repack] |
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| 00:15.58 | Amarande | GAH |
| 00:16.05 | Jerub | it's the multiple loops in a LC thing that does it. |
| 00:16.08 | Amarande | McDonald's has just officially lost my business, and I'm going to hope they go under. |
| 00:16.12 | Amarande | At least, the local franchise. |
| 00:16.14 | amro | list comprehensions were designed for relatively simple tasks |
| 00:16.20 | DWSR | Amarande: That's happening sometime.....never. |
| 00:16.23 | Jerub | [x for x in y for y in z] feels right |
| 00:16.27 | amro | they're unwieldy for complex shit, but they're not really meant to be used there |
| 00:16.30 | Jerub | but [x for y in z for x in y] is the correct way |
| 00:16.32 | Amarande | DWSR: I may not ever see Kingslayer now because of effing McD's. |
| 00:16.47 | DWSR | Big Macs making your fingers too fat? |
| 00:16.59 | amro | ~rimshot |
| 00:16.59 | purl | badum-TISH! |
| 00:17.05 | DWSR | bows |
| 00:17.07 | Amarande | DWSR: Involuntarily had to stop there on the way home, there was a freaking line and no help, and I ended up 3 minutes late for raid which was enough for them to fill my slot since there was someone else this week who wanted to go |
| 00:17.19 | DWSR | hahahaha |
| 00:17.25 | DWSR | How do you not have Kingslayer yet? |
| 00:17.25 | Amarande | and this may be the LAST week to get Kingslayer until a 'go back for it at 85' run, for all practical intents |
| 00:17.28 | DWSR | We pug it on my server. |
| 00:17.41 | Amarande | DWSR: our raid just started working on Lich King last week? |
| 00:17.51 | Amarande | we're 11/12. |
| 00:17.55 | DWSR | If your raid just started working on LK last week, you need to find a new guild. |
| 00:17.57 | amro | some guilds have dudes who insist on failing |
| 00:18.05 | DWSR | Or, alternatively, whore yourself out to a pug group. |
| 00:18.06 | amro | also, guilds aren't only about raiding DWSR |
| 00:18.06 | Amarande | and I'm dreadfully worried that this is our last week of real LK raiding |
| 00:18.12 | amro | but that second option is good |
| 00:18.12 | Dagmar | Amarande is not the guy to make jokes like that at. He'll believe you. |
| 00:18.19 | DWSR | Dagmar: Lulz. |
| 00:18.25 | Amarande | because 1) 4.0 pretty much scotches most ICC hopes for the rest of LK |
| 00:18.33 | Amarande | 2) 4.0 is likely to hit VERY soon now, possibly even next week |
| 00:18.36 | DWSR | amro: Yeah, but if you're attempting Kingslayer, then you're at least decently serious.\ |
| 00:18.41 | DWSR | Amarande: It won't hit next week. |
| 00:18.44 | ckknight | I'm doubtful about next week |
| 00:18.46 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 00:18.53 | Amarande | DWSR: am I right about it scotching most ICC hopes for the rest of LK? |
| 00:18.58 | Xyphoid | we're working on kingslayer and we're terrible! |
| 00:18.58 | TC-Work | never going to happen next wek |
| 00:19.00 | Dagmar | ...and as usual, Amarande thinks they'll push that without correcting what's making ICC mobs hit like they've got a mac truck in each hand |
| 00:19.00 | TC-Work | week* |
| 00:19.10 | Xyphoid | two hours a week is solid raid time |
| 00:19.13 | Amarande | PTR guys: is ICC still possible in a practical sense with current gear? |
| 00:19.18 | DWSR | Yes. |
| 00:19.26 | ckknight | easier or harder? |
| 00:19.34 | DWSR | but that's because my DK tank is decked out in BiS epix. |
| 00:19.37 | Amarande | DWSR: is it going to require ICCH25 stuff to manage it on 10, with the tank threat stuff and the new damage mechanics? |
| 00:19.56 | DWSR | It's not that bad, tbh Amarande. |
| 00:20.00 | Dagmar | Amarande: It's just going to need three huntes |
| 00:20.13 | Amarande | since 1) I presume that ICC mobs are included in the "80 stuff hits harder" and 2) the tank threat thing |
| 00:20.14 | DWSR | I have ICC10H + 25N gear and it's a joke. |
| 00:20.22 | Wobin | http://plixi.com/p/46748030 |
| 00:20.24 | Amarande | and I'm going to be doing 33% more threat come 4.0, I believe. |
| 00:20.27 | DWSR | It's been a joke for me since like the 10% buff. |
| 00:20.29 | Wobin | the amount of awesome in that photo cannot be contained |
| 00:20.32 | Amarande | Not counting the extra threat from the increased DPS. |
| 00:20.43 | Dagmar | Amarande: That particular issue was making ICC mobs hit _way_ harder than they were supposed to |
| 00:20.46 | DWSR | Wobin: That picture cannot contain awesome of that magnitutde? |
| 00:20.56 | Wobin | DWSR: indeed, that's why it's washed out |
| 00:20.59 | DWSR | [/akbar] |
| 00:21.14 | Dagmar | Neil Gaiman in the pic? |
| 00:21.14 | DWSR | sorry. |
| 00:21.31 | Dagmar | Seriously? Neil and Terry in the same room? |
| 00:21.49 | Dagmar | That's pretty aw4esome |
| 00:21.53 | Wobin | nods |
| 00:22.04 | Xyphoid | good omens 2? |
| 00:22.06 | Xyphoid | fingers crossed |
| 00:22.22 | Wobin | goddamn you EOA =( |
| 00:22.28 | Wobin | hugs Pterry |
| 00:22.32 | DWSR | Someone please explain to me why the Windows version of XChat is not free |
| 00:22.33 | DWSR | Please. |
| 00:22.38 | Dagmar | I effing hope so, otherwise it'd be tacky to drink french grapewater in a place that has perfectly good sake |
| 00:22.42 | Wobin | DWSR: there's a free version |
| 00:22.47 | Dagmar | DWSR: Because you fail. |
| 00:22.48 | Wobin | look for y-chat |
| 00:22.56 | DWSR | And to everyone who's about to say BOO XChat, recommend a client that doesn't look like shit. |
| 00:23.01 | DWSR | Wobin: Yeah, but it has bugs. |
| 00:23.08 | DWSR | Such as always minimizing to tray. |
| 00:23.19 | DWSR | And also, some really shitty background transparency. |
| 00:23.33 | Dagmar | The officially-built-by-Zed version is not free because Windows users were wasting too much of his time with bug reports that involved them needing to be told to double-click. |
| 00:23.37 | Wobin | I've noted that |
| 00:23.44 | TC-Work | i dont care what my client looks like, i care what it does |
| 00:23.49 | Wobin | I also use Quassel now |
| 00:23.51 | Dagmar | There's SilvereX and a few other guys who've got free builds |
| 00:23.54 | Wobin | which suits my needs |
| 00:23.58 | DWSR | Quassel? |
| 00:24.00 | TC-Work | yes |
| 00:24.01 | Xyphoid | i haven't noticed any issues with the silverx build |
| 00:24.03 | TC-Work | thats what i have |
| 00:24.08 | Wobin | core/client irc thingie |
| 00:24.21 | Dagmar | Xyphoid: There shouldn't be any issues. He's got clue. |
| 00:24.28 | Amarande | Dagmar: lemme guess, before they fixed it, you really did need Heroic 25 gear to stand a chance on Normal 10 |
| 00:24.29 | Wobin | my only issue with quassel is lack of DCC |
| 00:24.33 | Dagmar | He also does a better job of ignorin whiny windows users. ;) |
| 00:24.43 | amro | my issue with quassel is the name |
| 00:24.49 | Amarande | and you had to make sure only the TANK had Heroic 25 gear, because combined with the tank threat stuff ... |
| 00:24.50 | Wobin | amro: too french? |
| 00:25.05 | Dagmar | Amarande: Before they fixed it your plan had better have involved spare tanks. I think I heard some people who were def capped saying they were getting crushed |
| 00:25.20 | DWSR | http://i55.tinypic.com/5x6bfl.jpg <--- Xyphoid |
| 00:25.28 | amro | Wobin: no, just too... not fitting a piece of software |
| 00:25.46 | amro | sounds like a crustascean |
| 00:25.46 | Xyphoid | image unavailable |
| 00:26.08 | DWSR | works for me. |
| 00:26.09 | amro | I use konversation, it has a windows build too now |
| 00:26.11 | amro | hurray for qt4 |
| 00:26.14 | DWSR | http://tinypic.com/r/5x6bfl/7 |
| 00:27.01 | Dagmar | Too right, if it weren't for Qt4 we'd still all be thinking XFree is the worst thing to compile ever |
| 00:27.35 | foxlit | I can has phone. |
| 00:27.58 | amro | Dagmar: hurray for binaries/ |
| 00:28.04 | DWSR | lolbinaries |
| 00:28.10 | DWSR | uses Gentoo. |
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| 00:28.16 | amro | I could tell |
| 00:28.28 | foxlit | yowch, DWSR. |
| 00:28.35 | Dagmar | That means there's a not-insignificant chance that he's still waiting for Qt4 to finish compiling |
| 00:28.46 | DWSR | Why? It was done a long time ago. |
| 00:28.47 | foxlit | *why* would you ever want a background image for text? |
| 00:29.06 | Dagmar | foxlit: at least it's not boobies |
| 00:29.14 | DWSR | foxlit: It's my desktop, actually. |
| 00:29.14 | Xyphoid | so you don't have to look at the text i guess |
| 00:29.16 | Xyphoid | seems reasonable |
| 00:29.29 | DWSR | Yeah, it's for whenever Fisker's in here. |
| 00:29.31 | DWSR | Or Amarande. |
| 00:29.45 | DWSR | I can just tune them out to white noise and stare at my background. |
| 00:29.59 | amro | I could use that right about now. |
| 00:30.10 | foxlit | /ignore always works |
| 00:30.19 | DWSR | Yeah, but then I don't have the option of trolling him if I want. |
| 00:30.21 | DWSR | IT's all about options |
| 00:30.34 | foxlit | I've found that sanity trumps options in some cases. |
| 00:30.38 | foxlit | Life's been bliss. |
| 00:32.11 | DWSR | Well, considering that I suffer from insomnia, depression, and a few other maladies. |
| 00:32.29 | DWSR | I'm a Tribute to Insanity. |
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| 00:33.49 | amro | add misuse of punctuation to that list |
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| 00:37.18 | TC-Work | possibly NSFW http://ebbra.bigcartel.com/ |
| 00:37.38 | TC-Work | and http://ebbra.bigcartel.com/information which is SFW |
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| 00:54.13 | DWSR | amro: What misuse? |
| 00:54.46 | amro | should have a comma after maladies there or it's an incomplete sentence |
| 00:54.59 | DWSR | Ah, yeah. |
| 00:55.07 | DWSR | Two different thoughts. |
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| 00:59.33 | DWSR | TC-Work: That's amazing. |
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| 01:02.56 | DWSR | Wobin: Do you use the monolithic client for Quassel? |
| 01:03.09 | Wobin | DWSR: no, I have the core running on my netbook at home |
| 01:03.14 | Wobin | and use the client at home/work |
| 01:03.19 | DWSR | Hrm. |
| 01:03.28 | DWSR | Considering that I already have a BNC, I'll probably just use the monolithic client. |
| 01:03.51 | DWSR | It's a neat idea though. |
| 01:05.14 | Wobin | I like it cause it retains scrollback, even when I'm not on a client |
| 01:05.30 | Wobin | and syncs when I reconnect anywhere |
| 01:06.10 | DWSR | Meh, if I can make my box at home publicly accessible, I might do that. |
| 01:06.16 | DWSR | But for now, I'll probably just keep using this BNC. |
| 01:06.28 | DWSR | Wow.....why is my internet so freaking slow.. |
| 01:07.18 | amro | quit dling porn etc etc |
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| 01:46.55 | Thunder_Child | i would love to find an os that gui, that does not allow things to take focus unless i select them |
| 01:47.14 | Thunder_Child | s/that/that is a/ |
| 01:47.42 | Humbedooh | http://www.wowace.com/addons/l2r/images/2-svg-test-render/ :> |
| 01:48.09 | Humbedooh | totally useless function but nonetheless! |
| 02:00.43 | bleeter | Fisker: http://www.inforum.com/event/article/id/291488 |
| 02:16.15 | Wobin | bleeter: it'd be terribly unfortunate if they were one of those 'lets hyphenate our surnames' couples =P |
| 02:19.27 | Adys | "Call it Rule 38 of the internet: If a popular IP exists, someone eventually will try to make a MMO of it." -RPS |
| 02:21.03 | Wobin | Is Rule 39: If a popular game exists, Uwe Bolle will eventually try to make a movie out of it"? |
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| 02:23.26 | Jerub | okay, i tried to play minecraft |
| 02:23.29 | Jerub | and it didn't work on my laptop |
| 02:24.10 | Iriel | The current version is a bit iffy, at least, yesterday's build was |
| 02:24.13 | Iriel | I haven't checked it today |
| 02:25.05 | Jerub | Iriel: didn't load in my browser. |
| 02:25.09 | Jerub | and the jar file own't let me log in |
| 02:25.16 | Iriel | Oh, I haven't tried the browser version |
| 02:25.26 | Shirik | amro, is this a good way to try two iterations of something? http://wowi.pastey.net/140881-htb8 |
| 02:25.29 | Shirik | or do you have a better idea |
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| 02:29.16 | amro | Shirik: is it not working right |
| 02:29.18 | amro | ? |
| 02:29.37 | Shirik | no it works right |
| 02:29.41 | Shirik | I'm just asking from a style standpoint |
| 02:29.57 | amro | from a functional standpoint it looks wrong |
| 02:30.03 | amro | g1 = g2 = grammar doesn't copy anything |
| 02:30.11 | amro | changing g1 changes them all |
| 02:30.16 | Shirik | oops |
| 02:30.18 | Shirik | that's bad |
| 02:30.23 | amro | yeah, I hate it too |
| 02:30.23 | Shirik | how do I copy a string |
| 02:30.30 | amro | s = str(s2) |
| 02:30.36 | amro | or unicode or whatever |
| 02:31.14 | amro | but er |
| 02:31.16 | amro | strings are immutable |
| 02:31.21 | amro | if those are strings, then you're fine |
| 02:31.45 | amro | but in general, assignment does not copy |
| 02:31.46 | Shirik | yeah they are |
| 02:32.18 | amro | is grammar a global? |
| 02:46.42 | Amarande | hmm |
| 02:46.48 | Amarande | any of you got a linky to a site that lists the new relic stats for 4.0? |
| 02:47.13 | Amarande | I'm trying to decide if it's worth upgrading my relic, since I have 39 frost badges, might not make it to 60 or 95 before patch, and really want to spend those in particular before their value tanks |
| 02:47.28 | Amarande | the Triumphs, that's fine. Justice Points are nice. but Frost badges lose SO much of their value in 4.0 that I'd like to use as many as I can :) |
| 02:51.38 | Jerub | Amarande: they lose less value than you think. they're disproportionally harder to get than triumphs, but they only provide gear that's 10% or so better than triumphs. |
| 02:52.28 | Amarande | Jerub: I'm just thinking on pure numbers, basically. |
| 02:52.53 | Amarande | Triumphs buy about 20% of what they used to in 4.0, since Frosts give the same number of JPs but stuff that needed Frosts costs more, they devalue worse. |
| 02:52.55 | Adys | doublefingerpoints at amro |
| 02:53.06 | amro | you're not my boss! |
| 02:53.35 | Jerub | Amarande: i'm really not understanding what you're saying. |
| 02:53.47 | Jerub | but i haven't looked at the currency stuff in 4.0 |
| 02:54.20 | DWSR | Sig |
| 02:54.21 | DWSR | sigh* |
| 02:54.35 | Amarande | Jerub: you get like ... 2-3 justice points or so for each frost or triumph badge (you get gold for lower badges) |
| 02:54.38 | DWSR | I hate having to do massive data transfers between disks. |
| 02:54.47 | Amarande | and all the stuff that used to cost badges costs Justice Points |
| 02:54.50 | DWSR | Even though they're all 7200 RPM and SATA 2.0, it's still so painfully slow. |
| 02:54.51 | Amarande | *however* |
| 02:55.09 | Amarande | the price of stuff that used to cost badges has not been kept in line with the previous badge price balance |
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| 02:55.41 | Amarande | it looks like stuff costs approximately five times as many badges as it does now, effectively. |
| 02:55.53 | Amarande | for Triumph badge gear, anyways. |
| 02:56.01 | Amarande | former Frost gear costs more, of course. |
| 02:56.06 | Amarande | hence my statement about devaluation. |
| 02:56.20 | amro | for a second I thought you were talking about stock prices |
| 02:56.26 | amro | you're thinking way too much about this |
| 02:56.46 | DWSR | Considering that you're going to be replacing your epics with quest greens, yes. |
| 02:57.39 | Amarande | DWSR: yeah, but I'm also thinking of our final drives at LK before Cata |
| 02:58.11 | Amarande | and the fact that I *can* upgrade my sigil (but the only other things I can do with my frost badges are buy a saronite or downgrade them to triumph, and I don't know if I'm going to have time to get enough badges to get anything else) |
| 02:58.34 | Amarande | Saronite will just be useless in Cata, at least a sigil upgrade might give me a bit more of an edge on LK |
| 02:58.40 | amro | still thinking too much about it |
| 02:59.10 | amro | your final drives at LK will require the raid to be less shitty |
| 02:59.15 | amro | not to have some insignificant stat boost |
| 02:59.18 | DWSR | Considering that you get a 30 buff, he's a joke. |
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| 03:03.04 | Amarande | DWSR: we're mostly just getting the hang of how not to get people stuck in defile |
| 03:03.11 | Amarande | which is actually a little bit more complicated than it sounds :) |
| 03:03.14 | DWSR | No it's not. |
| 03:03.19 | DWSR | You just have to be not braindead. |
| 03:04.37 | Shirik | so |
| 03:04.44 | Shirik | let's say there's an xbox on my network that I want to kick off |
| 03:04.50 | Shirik | how would I do that remotely |
| 03:04.57 | Shirik | ARP poisoning? |
| 03:05.02 | DWSR | Do you have access to the router? |
| 03:05.11 | Wobin | rig up a complicated Rube Goldberg machine hooked up to a boot on a string... |
| 03:05.12 | Shirik | let's say no, even though the answer is yes |
| 03:05.19 | Shirik | the point is to make this silent |
| 03:05.26 | Shirik | I don't want any visible action |
| 03:05.28 | Mikk | ARP poisoning |
| 03:05.34 | DWSR | ARP poisoning would probably work. |
| 03:05.37 | Wobin | A small remote guillotine around the network cable |
| 03:05.41 | Shirik | .. |
| 03:05.42 | Mikk | tell the xbox that the router is another mac address |
| 03:05.53 | DWSR | I would just bitbucket all of the traffic from the XBox at the router. |
| 03:06.12 | Mikk | and/or tell the router that the xbox is another mac address |
| 03:06.23 | Mikk | (though the latter would get overridden by xbox reboot & requery) |
| 03:06.37 | Shirik | well that's not really a problem |
| 03:06.45 | Mikk | the router may also re-query the xbox at intervals of course so you would have to re-poison |
| 03:06.47 | Shirik | reboot = you lose halo reach |
| 03:07.11 | Mikk | oh you just want hickups nasty enough to cancel a connection |
| 03:07.34 | Mikk | arp poisoning is definitely your friend =) |
| 03:07.43 | Jerub | is defile on LK just like hailion? |
| 03:07.46 | Jerub | er halion? |
| 03:07.49 | Jerub | or is it different? |
| 03:08.05 | Mikk | defiles grow based on the number of people that stand in them |
| 03:08.07 | Mikk | so quite different |
| 03:08.13 | Mikk | halions puddles is just time before cleanse |
| 03:08.22 | Mikk | LK defiles just happen after 1.5s or whatever it is - no cleanse |
| 03:08.34 | Mikk | so requires fast reactions from everyone concerned |
| 03:08.39 | Jerub | Mikk: okay, so it's similar but different mechanics. |
| 03:08.41 | Shirik | hm |
| 03:08.43 | Shirik | now the epic question |
| 03:08.48 | Shirik | how to find his mac address |
| 03:08.51 | Jerub | we're doing our LK kill on snuday |
| 03:09.00 | Wobin | so.. clearing growing aoe fire... jump, or strafe? |
| 03:09.02 | Mikk | Shirik: sniff ARPs |
| 03:09.05 | Jerub | Shirik: look at the arp table? |
| 03:09.06 | Mikk | they're broadcast |
| 03:09.17 | Wobin | s/clearing/getting clear of/ |
| 03:09.20 | Mikk | Wobin strafe |
| 03:09.25 | Shirik | hm |
| 03:09.32 | Mikk | jumping means you stay stationary until you land as far as the server is concerned |
| 03:09.40 | Wobin | I always feel like jumping moves me faster, evidence to the contrary aside =P |
| 03:09.44 | Mikk | strafing is generally Very Bad in raids - you should learn to stop doing it |
| 03:09.54 | Wobin | jumping? |
| 03:09.56 | Mikk | er |
| 03:10.01 | Mikk | s/strafing/jumping/ |
| 03:10.08 | Mikk | jumping is bad |
| 03:10.09 | Mikk | strafing is good |
| 03:10.19 | Wobin | what will the druid trees do if they stop jumping? |
| 03:10.25 | Mikk | fuck if i know |
| 03:10.27 | Wobin | =( |
| 03:10.28 | Shirik | I'm going to assume the network adapter that identifies itself as "Microsoft" is it |
| 03:10.30 | Mikk | trying to come up with that answer myself |
| 03:10.30 | Thunder_Child | start healing |
| 03:10.32 | amro | it's always nice if you can call in a helicopter to strafe the boss |
| 03:10.33 | Mikk | i keep jumping =( |
| 03:10.47 | Mikk | Thunder_Child: that's the thing tho. druid trees jump while healing. it's like builtin. |
| 03:10.54 | Mikk | instants galore |
| 03:11.06 | Mikk | you should watch me heal 5mans |
| 03:11.10 | Mikk | boingboingobingboingboingboing around the group |
| 03:11.13 | Mikk | while clickcasting rejuv |
| 03:11.40 | Thunder_Child | Mikk: if you are moving that it works the same |
| 03:11.46 | Thunder_Child | s/that/then/ |
| 03:11.50 | Mikk | of course |
| 03:11.52 | Mikk | but jumping is like |
| 03:11.55 | Mikk | must. jump. |
| 03:11.59 | Mikk | ask a gnome |
| 03:12.04 | Wobin | it's true |
| 03:12.10 | PProvost | or a rogue |
| 03:12.12 | Thunder_Child | i try not to talk to gnomes |
| 03:12.23 | Wobin | gnomes like being in midair |
| 03:12.27 | Mikk | i also jump a lot while tanking :S |
| 03:12.30 | Wobin | that's why I always punt every one I see |
| 03:12.41 | PProvost | Mikk: I do to |
| 03:12.43 | amro | something about being able to jump higher than their height |
| 03:12.57 | Mikk | my first 60 was a gnome |
| 03:12.58 | Mikk | warlock |
| 03:13.02 | Mikk | jumpdotjumpdotjumpdotjumpdotjumpdotjumpdot |
| 03:13.09 | Mikk | until i learned that shadowbolt is better dps |
| 03:13.43 | Amarande | Mikk: but jumpdot is probably more annoying in PvP. |
| 03:13.46 | Mikk | =) |
| 03:13.52 | Amarande | If there's one thing I utterly, utterly hate in PvP, it's gnomes. |
| 03:14.03 | Mikk | yes, my pvp strategy consisted of mount & run in & jumpdotjumpdotjumpdotjumpdotjumpdotjumpdotjumpdot until i died |
| 03:14.05 | Xinhuan | why does wrapping ActionButton1 work, but wrapping SpellFlyoutButton1 not work zzzzzzzz |
| 03:14.16 | Amarande | Skilled PvP gnomes are as bad as Sooties. |
| 03:14.28 | Amarande | (Anyone else remember Star Ocean III: Till the End of Time?) |
| 03:14.46 | Mikk | my pvp strategy has now been revisted to stay in the back & jumprejuvjumprejuvjumprejuvjumprejuvjumprejuvjumprejuv |
| 03:14.51 | Mikk | revised* |
| 03:15.19 | Mikk | until a rogue kills me in stunlock despite being fully hotted & popping barkskin |
| 03:15.25 | Mikk | yes my resil sucks goatnuts :P |
| 03:15.36 | amro | yes resil sucks goatnuts :P |
| 03:15.37 | amro | fixed |
| 03:15.38 | Amarande | I hate stuns with a passion. And this is speaking as a DK, with access to IBF. |
| 03:15.42 | Amarande | amro: Truth. |
| 03:16.01 | Amarande | whoever decided PvP should revolve around one single stat that's only useful in PvP and nowhere else was a nubcake. |
| 03:16.01 | amro | problem with stuns is lack of proper scaling on either end |
| 03:16.25 | Mikk | more the fact that we have fuckall health now compared to the dps we put out |
| 03:16.30 | Mikk | 15k dps vs 30k health hai |
| 03:16.50 | Mikk | but this is the way GhostCrawler decided that it should be in his infinite wisdom |
| 03:16.52 | Amarande | Mikk: yeah ... despite my utter lack of PvP gear, anything that doesn't get a bead on me fast enough in WG just *dies* |
| 03:17.10 | Amarande | heroic FGC and Soulbreaker just turn things into bacon |
| 03:17.11 | Mikk | funnily enough he changed opinion completely for cata |
| 03:17.12 | amro | Mikk: it was like this in vanilla |
| 03:17.12 | Mikk | hohum |
| 03:17.28 | Mikk | amro ummm we did 200 dps then and had 2000 health. in blues. |
| 03:17.35 | Amarande | Mikk: they're making resil *only* useable in PvP now ... which makes the dichotomy complete |
| 03:17.50 | Amarande | anyway, Sooties were these monsters in the bonus dungeon in Star Ocean 3, towards the top |
| 03:17.54 | Amarande | and they were PAIN PERSONIFIED |
| 03:18.01 | Mikk | and 400 dps <> 4000 health in epix. |
| 03:18.07 | Mikk | that's 1:10 |
| 03:18.08 | Mikk | not 1:2 :P |
| 03:18.19 | Amarande | imagine PvP'ing against a full party of gnomes rated 2300 and you're not in arena gear at all |
| 03:18.24 | amro | burst is more important than sustained |
| 03:18.24 | Amarande | that's pretty much what it feels like to fight sooties |
| 03:18.34 | Jerub | i don't like pvp so much :( |
| 03:18.42 | Amarande | they're tiny (and in SO3, that's actually even worse, because some attacks literally can't even hit things that are too short) |
| 03:18.51 | Amarande | despite this, they have something like 300k HP each |
| 03:18.59 | Amarande | they can also heal, and they do massive AoE DPS |
| 03:19.04 | amro | and back then, mostly given the lack of get me the fuck out of trouble spells, most fights ended just as fast |
| 03:19.19 | Amarande | (I believe DPS is indeed a proper term in this particular console RPG, since Star Ocean combat is in real time) |
| 03:19.41 | Mikk | amro you seriously do not agree that there is a difference in hp vs dps now vs vanilla? |
| 03:19.49 | amro | no I agree |
| 03:20.00 | amro | but it's not an entirely new problem |
| 03:20.03 | amro | just an old one made worse |
| 03:20.10 | Amarande | basically, Sooties can easily result in loving dates between PS2 controllers and television sets |
| 03:20.19 | Mikk | well yes and no |
| 03:20.21 | amro | which brings me to my point, 6 years and they haven't figured it out |
| 03:20.28 | Mikk | i mean you're supposed to actually be able to kill stuff too at some point |
| 03:20.35 | Amarande | personally, they resulted in a HELL of a lot of reliance on "stop time" field items whenever I was on floors that had them :) |
| 03:20.42 | Mikk | but now.. get a warlock timing his spells right from range |
| 03:20.46 | Mikk | and you're dead in a gcd |
| 03:20.48 | Mikk | lolwut? |
| 03:21.01 | amro | the issue is that damage, health and healing are designed for pve |
| 03:21.05 | amro | and then they're like, oh yeah pvp. |
| 03:21.08 | Amarande | Mikk: yeah, but consider also that that's a destro lock |
| 03:21.11 | amro | slap some resil and extra stam on |
| 03:21.12 | Amarande | and destro locks are the squishiest spec in PvP |
| 03:21.21 | amro | that's irrelevant |
| 03:21.26 | Wobin | you can be squishy |
| 03:21.31 | Wobin | as long as you kill everyone else first |
| 03:21.34 | Mikk | amro not really |
| 03:21.40 | Mikk | ghostcrawler specifically wanted pvp this way |
| 03:21.41 | Amarande | Wobin: well yeah, that's how my PvE geared DK mows them down in WG |
| 03:21.46 | Mikk | to make "pvp more dynamic" |
| 03:21.57 | amro | gc worked on pvp? |
| 03:22.11 | Amarande | yeah, that's probably why Guild Wars worked for both PvP and PvE and WoW didn't |
| 03:22.14 | Mikk | well that's how i read his statements when 3.0 was inc |
| 03:22.21 | Wobin | pvp needs entirely new rules to pve |
| 03:22.30 | Mikk | but now they're retuning |
| 03:22.30 | Wobin | entirely different reactions and responses |
| 03:22.38 | Amarande | GW was designed from the ground up for PvP, and if you look at PvE mobs, they (except mega bosses, pretty much) mostly follow the same rules as an opposing PvP team |
| 03:22.40 | Mikk | shitloads more stamina |
| 03:22.42 | Wobin | pvp should in -no- way ever affect pve |
| 03:22.47 | Mikk | while damage & healing doesnt go up nearly as much |
| 03:22.54 | amro | Wobin: the inverse is okay? |
| 03:23.00 | Wobin | amro: nope |
| 03:23.06 | Wobin | they should be completely separate systems |
| 03:23.12 | amro | that's exactly why they fail |
| 03:23.12 | Amarande | It's possible to design a PvE environment that basically runs on PvP rules. GW pretty much did it. |
| 03:23.15 | Xyphoid | i'd pvp more if i didn't have to pick up pvp gear |
| 03:23.16 | Wobin | yes |
| 03:23.21 | Amarande | OTOH, if you design from the ground up for PvE, you really can't shoehorn it well into PvP |
| 03:23.25 | Xyphoid | it'd be pro if you walked into an arena and were automatically outfitted |
| 03:23.34 | Wobin | Amarande: GW is still shoehorned for pve |
| 03:23.48 | Amarande | And FWIW, even GW had to separate the two more ... there's now a lot of skills in GW that work differently in PvE than PvP zones |
| 03:23.58 | Amarande | something GW got away with also, though, because there's no world PvP in GW and it's all instances |
| 03:24.00 | Shirik | Windows networking stack sucks |
| 03:24.15 | Shirik | Why the hell does transmitting spoofed ARP packets also spoof myself |
| 03:24.27 | Amarande | Xyphoid: that's actually pretty much how GW works, too |
| 03:24.35 | Shirik | "Oh I just said I was 192.168.1.1, I better record that!" |
| 03:24.38 | Amarande | PvP characters, that start out max level and you have an equipment creator tool for them |
| 03:24.40 | Shirik | "lol disconnected" |
| 03:24.40 | Jerub | Shirik: that's perfectly normal. |
| 03:24.45 | Shirik | it's not a broadcast message |
| 03:24.49 | Amarande | although you DO have to gather up items in PvE to learn upgrades, if you don't buy the upgrade pack for real money |
| 03:24.53 | Shirik | the ARP packet explicitly says who should listen to it |
| 03:24.56 | Shirik | and I am not in it |
| 03:24.58 | Amarande | since you can only use the upgrades in PvP that you've found in PvE |
| 03:25.09 | Amarande | (item upgrades, that is) |
| 03:25.12 | Iriel | Does the XBox re-broadcast? |
| 03:25.17 | Shirik | I didn't see a response |
| 03:25.19 | Iriel | or whatever received it |
| 03:25.20 | Shirik | in wireshark |
| 03:25.29 | Amarande | actually, you mostly have to learn skills in PvE to use them in PvP too, unless you buy skill packs for real money |
| 03:25.32 | Shirik | well I heard a response in the other room "omg I'm lagging out" |
| 03:25.35 | Shirik | but that's not an ARP response :) |
| 03:25.55 | Amarande | PvP got more complicated in WoW though when they added in the arena tournaments |
| 03:26.08 | amro | I suggest you give more thought to Wobin's guillotine idea |
| 03:26.10 | Jerub | does anyone here play on pvp realms? |
| 03:26.16 | Amarande | Granted, I'm not a lawyer, but I do know the Arena Tournaments require *cash* entry fees, and the top prizes are also cash |
| 03:26.29 | amro | how does that change the design in any way? |
| 03:26.30 | Amarande | which means that the element of chance, in particular, probably has to have a strong lid kept on it in order to make it not considered gambling |
| 03:26.34 | Amarande | amro: Gambling law |
| 03:26.48 | Jerub | Shirik: you should be spoofing that someone else's mac has that ip |
| 03:26.48 | Amarande | the US is particularly strict, specifically, on *online* gambling, as well |
| 03:26.58 | amro | fps deathmatch has as much chance |
| 03:27.12 | amro | and either way, it has no bearing on the design |
| 03:27.17 | Jerub | Amarande: there's an australian senator that wants to outlaw online gambling. |
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| 03:27.28 | Amarande | therefore, I can understand Blizzard wanting to make PvP be as non-luck-dependent as humanly possible :) |
| 03:27.44 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: just ddos the damn thing already |
| 03:27.50 | Jerub | so what he wants to do is make it mandatory for credit card companies to chargeback when australians complain that they lost money gambling online. |
| 03:27.51 | Amarande | Jerub: what a buffoon |
| 03:27.57 | Jerub | tee heee |
| 03:28.04 | Amarande | Jerub: actually, that's pretty much what the US did to combat online gambling, sort of |
| 03:28.11 | amro | Amarande: that's irrelevant |
| 03:28.27 | Iriel | Jerub: paypal |
| 03:28.30 | amro | wow is not a real competitive game and never will be |
| 03:28.54 | Jerub | Iriel: hm? |
| 03:29.09 | Amarande | their focus in the most recent online gambling law was pretty much to outlaw banks and credit card companies from doing money transfers for gambling purposes |
| 03:29.12 | Iriel | amro: I think you'll need a ton more specificity than "competitive" to discount wow |
| 03:29.22 | Amarande | which basically made it nigh impossible for people to deposit money into online gambling accounts |
| 03:29.37 | Iriel | Jerub: If they make CC's impractical, then folks will just use services like paypal, which isn't a credit card. |
| 03:29.50 | Iriel | Now banks as well, different story |
| 03:29.54 | amro | Iriel: balance is the most important aspect of a competitive game, and balance is nowhere to be seen in wow arenas |
| 03:29.57 | Jerub | Iriel: you've got it the wrong way around. |
| 03:30.11 | Jerub | Iriel: it makes it the responsibility of the gambling websites to lock out punters. |
| 03:30.12 | Amarande | Jerub: people would just stop complaining then, seeing as charging back on online casinos, when you could still play them with CCs, was basically automatic ban-for-life |
| 03:30.13 | amro | and my point is that blizzard doesn't really care either way |
| 03:30.44 | Jerub | Iriel: because if you can get your money into the site any which way, do a big wager. if you win, the website gives you loads of money. if you lose, you force the CC company to take the money back from the website. |
| 03:30.45 | Iriel | amro: I would agree if you said "professional competitive game", but it's competitive as long as you have two people competing -- I'm being pedantic, true, but still. |
| 03:31.23 | amro | Iriel: ah, well yes, I meant professionally competitive |
| 03:31.29 | Iriel | Jerub: I understand the idea, but the gambling sites would just ban credit card payment -- I was trying to point out there are numerous non-credit-card means of passing money about online. |
| 03:31.57 | Jerub | Iriel: so you can put money into paypal with a CC, then use a chargeback to get it back out. |
| 03:32.00 | Jerub | :D |
| 03:32.55 | amro | I don't understand why people use credit cards |
| 03:33.11 | Iriel | amro: I use one for isolation of liability |
| 03:33.16 | Jerub | amro: i use a creditcard because it's better than cash and i pay no fees for transactions. |
| 03:33.40 | amro | don't you have to payback with interest? |
| 03:33.44 | Xyphoid | my card is both debit and credit and i use credit for everything i can |
| 03:33.47 | Iriel | I dont carry a balance |
| 03:33.47 | Jerub | there's a big disconnect between people who use a CC for credit and who use it for convenience. |
| 03:33.56 | Xyphoid | because you pay zero interest if you pay it off weekly or whatever |
| 03:34.25 | amro | okay, then let me amend that |
| 03:34.36 | amro | I don't understand why people use credit cards and then routinely pay back late |
| 03:34.46 | Jerub | amro: yeah, that's not smart. |
| 03:35.03 | Jerub | i don't routinely pay back late, but i have carried a balance when things were a bit thin. |
| 03:35.06 | Iriel | I nderstand the need for short periods of time |
| 03:35.29 | Iriel | When tehre's financial trauma going on |
| 03:35.50 | Jerub | beats the hell out of going to a bank and pleading a case for a small loan. |
| 03:35.59 | Xyphoid | yeah, it's just an easy way of getting loans |
| 03:36.07 | Xyphoid | you get your item now, and pay more for it |
| 03:36.17 | amro | I should mention that I don't like loans either :P |
| 03:36.23 | amro | not that I have money all the time either |
| 03:36.34 | amro | the idea of debt does not sit well with me at all |
| 03:37.26 | Xinhuan | gah |
| 03:37.32 | Iriel | I'm not a huge fan either, i got rid of all of mine (you could I suppose count the mortgage, but the house is worth more than I owe, so it's not quite the same) |
| 03:37.48 | Xinhuan | now i figured out why i can't securewrap SpellFlyoutButton1 while it works on ActionButton1 |
| 03:37.53 | Iriel | But there was a time when it was necessary to let me get to the point where I could pay it off (and then be self-sufficient) |
| 03:38.02 | Xinhuan | the former doesn't inherit from SecureActionButtonTemplate =.= |
| 03:38.22 | Xinhuan | so i can actually show/hide the teleport/portal buttons in combat |
| 03:38.37 | amro | well, I can't comment on exigeant circumstances |
| 03:38.37 | Iriel | Xinhuan: hm, are you sure, are its children not secure? |
| 03:38.42 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 03:38.43 | Xinhuan | i'm sure |
| 03:38.54 | amro | but I know a lot of people who aren't in desperate need and who get themselves indebted, it just boggles my mind |
| 03:39.03 | Iriel | amro: I will say I dont understand living a lifestyle funded almost exclusively on high interest credit |
| 03:39.13 | Xinhuan | just enter combat, and you can perform /print SpellFlyout1:Hide() and the button will actually hide |
| 03:39.36 | Xyphoid | perceived lifestyle is important to many people |
| 03:41.22 | amro | before: http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/6482/morriganaenslandmarvelv.png after: http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/4825/morrigangs.jpg |
| 03:43.39 | amro | mentalist season premiere \o/ |
| 03:43.44 | Shirik | How to know your parser is robust: |
| 03:43.51 | Shirik | You can take a sentence from the Colbert report and it parses it correctly |
| 03:43.57 | Xinhuan | Iriel: its OnClick calls "CastSpellByID(self.spellID)" though, so i can't really change the spellID to make it cast a different spell |
| 03:44.27 | Iriel | Xinhuan: Ah |
| 03:44.31 | Xinhuan | its only worth noting that it isn't secure, so i could move/show/hide it |
| 03:44.36 | Xinhuan | but not securewrap it |
| 03:44.43 | Xinhuan | since it checks the :IsProtected() |
| 03:44.49 | Iriel | Hm, that seems dangerous though |
| 03:44.51 | Xinhuan | or rather, it wraps it |
| 03:44.53 | Iriel | since you could move it around during combat |
| 03:45.01 | Xinhuan | but it doesn't call the wrapper |
| 03:45.40 | Iriel | Yeah, we only want to securely wrap protected frames |
| 03:45.54 | Iriel | otherwise it becomes a vector to deliver user-controlled events to the secure environment |
| 03:46.39 | Xinhuan | yep i checked, i can reposition the whole SpellFlyout and all its child buttons anywhere while in combat |
| 03:47.43 | Iriel | *sigh* |
| 03:47.57 | Iriel | Xinhuan: good catch |
| 03:47.59 | Xinhuan | the reason why i want to wrap the spellflyout buttons is because, well, i have a popup bar, and if i put a spellflyout on it, i want to wrap the buttons' onleave to also hide my popup bar |
| 03:48.10 | Iriel | nods, that makes sense |
| 03:48.26 | Xinhuan | but i can't do it in any way atm since its not protected |
| 03:51.10 | Iriel | I'll let them know and see if they can't make it secure (and thus wrappable) |
| 03:51.48 | Xinhuan | its easy, just make SpellFlyoutButtonTemplate also inherit from SecureActionButtonTemplate |
| 03:52.16 | Iriel | They really need to make the flyout frame secure as well |
| 03:52.27 | Iriel | So that you can work with that as well |
| 03:52.49 | Xinhuan | yeah that too i suppose |
| 03:58.50 | Xyphoid | whoops. no wonder our raid leader sucks at identifying specific people who're in the wrong place. he plays with almost max zoomed in camera. |
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| 04:02.05 | Xinhuan | self:GetFrameRef("SpellFlyout") |
| 04:02.13 | Xinhuan | ahhh i can't use it in combat =/ |
| 04:02.34 | Xinhuan | time to undo code until the time blizzard makes it secure |
| 04:11.46 | ZorbaTHut | I have now killed two ICC bosses |
| 04:11.51 | ZorbaTHut | Marrowgar, and Sindragosa with the achievement |
| 04:11.56 | ZorbaTHut | that's a normal pair of bosses to have killed, right |
| 04:12.28 | Xyphoid | totally |
| 04:12.57 | Humbedooh | heeehee |
| 04:13.07 | Humbedooh | http://www.wowace.com/addons/l2r/images/3-another-svg-test/ |
| 04:13.18 | Xyphoid | in tbc Illidan was the only bt boss i killed |
| 04:13.26 | Humbedooh | it's a kitty! |
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| 04:15.25 | Gitt | anyone here use Chronos? |
| 04:15.59 | Gitt | I know it's way outdated, but it's engrained into an addon I have to work with, and it doesn't seem to be firing. Works in live, but not beta. |
| 04:16.10 | Gitt | figured I'd ask here first before I had to tear it apart. |
| 04:17.53 | Humbedooh | haven't used it since 2005 |
| 04:20.26 | nebula | wouldn't be hard to trop in acetimer or something, isn't that just the old cosmos scheduling library? |
| 04:21.32 | Gitt | Chronos is _really_ heavily tied into this addon. |
| 04:21.54 | Gitt | this addon itself needs to be replaced, but it's well beyond my capabilities to rewrite it |
| 04:22.44 | Gitt | I do what I can w/ what I have, only just started doing lua for this job. I applied as a web developer, and ended up doing addons. |
| 04:22.49 | Thrae | nebula: Ace frameworks were like the opposite of Cosmos/Khaos and CT_Mod type of frameworks. |
| 04:23.42 | nebula | yea, i know, sea was completely backward approach to ace, but you can just have it disembeded and call it directly |
| 04:23.48 | Thrae | The Cosmos devs and community were the arch-nemesis of the original Ace devs and community. |
| 04:24.07 | Thrae | More self-proclaimed by Ace than by Cosmos. |
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| 04:28.12 | Napoleone | anyone got a tutorial for messageframes? cause all i can find is stuff that doesnt work when i follow the book, and I'm not a xml fan |
| 04:28.56 | DWSR | Gitt: What happens? |
| 04:29.10 | Gitt | DWSR: nothing ha! |
| 04:29.59 | Gitt | for example... Chronos.afterInit(Thottbot_PrintStateCallback) returns nothing... If I do Thottbot_PrintStateCallback, I get an immediate result... Also, Chronos.scheduleByName returns nothing. |
| 04:30.24 | Gitt | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:30.29 | Gitt | it's not making it easy though :/ |
| 04:30.54 | Gitt | I put print statements every few lines through the scheduleByname function, and it appears to be completing. |
| 04:32.27 | nebula | everytime you see this or argN in the code, it's gonna break |
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| 04:33.41 | Gitt | aha, forgot about that |
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| 04:41.32 | Humbedooh | bleh, why am I spending all this time rendering images in WoW :\ |
| 04:42.08 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aL6wlTDPiPU&feature=youtu.be |
| 04:43.49 | Gitt | hmm, okay. Found a couple of places that used 'this'... tried replacing it with 'self', but that doesn't seem to work. |
| 04:44.33 | Dagmar | this has been gone for a while now |
| 04:45.15 | Gitt | works in current live implementation... not my fault this addon is broken beyond belief. However, I have to make it work now |
| 04:46.24 | nebula | this still exists in live |
| 04:46.53 | Adys | ~ping |
| 04:46.53 | purl | ~pong |
| 04:47.49 | Gitt | reading Iriel's post, but it only says to "use the appropriate locals"... I have no idea how to find out what the appropriate local is. |
| 04:48.34 | Iriel | Check wowprogramming.com ? |
| 04:48.42 | Iriel | The reference for handlers has all of the locals |
| 04:49.22 | Dagmar | "Have to"? |
| 04:49.44 | Gitt | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/140884 is the current code I'm looking at... and thanks Iriel, I'll go take a look |
| 04:50.11 | Gitt | Dagmar: yes |
| 04:50.47 | Iriel | Gitt: You'll have to find the code that calls that block |
| 04:51.09 | Iriel | Gitt: It might not be as simple as just swapping a variable name, but either way it shouldn't be TOO hard to correct |
| 04:51.19 | nebula | it's a pretty awkward implementation, Chronos.afterInit is the library call |
| 04:51.32 | Gitt | Iriel: it's a direct call... so, for example Chronos.afterInit(Thottbot_PrintState) |
| 04:51.38 | tem | Any suggestions for a simple video editing program? |
| 04:51.48 | Shirik | I figured out a new way to evaluate Colbert's insanity |
| 04:52.15 | Shirik | My parser parsed his sentence "God only knows how many hospitals won't be built because of me" http://wowi.pastey.net/140885 |
| 04:52.26 | Shirik | that it ends with ))))))))))) is a good indicator of insanity |
| 04:53.23 | tem | you want to tell me the whole sentence so I don't have to parse that output? |
| 04:54.28 | Shirik | (00:52:05) (@Shirik) My parser parsed his sentence "God only knows how many hospitals won't be built because of me" |
| 04:54.32 | Jerub | omg |
| 04:54.33 | Jerub | http://www.dropmocks.com/ |
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| 04:55.10 | Torhal | Gitt: What AddOn is this? |
| 04:55.47 | nebula | something of thotts, lol |
| 04:58.19 | Gitt | Torhal: The addon is the Thottbot Collector... The problem, exists in the Chronos addon, which is a dependency of the Thottbot Collector |
| 04:58.30 | Napoleone | can anyone do me a huge favor. well its huge for me.. takes a min for you guys ;) |
| 05:00.25 | Torhal | Gitt: Are you a Thottbot developer or somesuch? |
| 05:00.34 | Shadowed | Thottbot has developers? |
| 05:00.40 | Shadowed | I thought they all died off years ago |
| 05:00.44 | nebula | lol |
| 05:00.45 | Torhal | Shadowed: Someone wrote the AddOn |
| 05:00.49 | Torhal | Shadowed: So did I |
| 05:00.52 | Shadowed | well sure, like in 2003 |
| 05:00.58 | Torhal | Then again, the damned thing uses Chronos, so... |
| 05:01.03 | Gitt | I was hired as a web developer, and got asked to maintain this thing |
| 05:01.07 | Shadowed | god speed |
| 05:01.08 | Xyphoid | cold |
| 05:01.15 | Gitt | stil haven't gotten to do any web development |
| 05:01.15 | Napoleone | I'm tired of not getting this to work at all. I need a messageframe or scrolling messageframe centered in the middle of the screen. with 3 lines input into it.. black background and white text... i've tried looking for code samples or tuts or any usage of it at all through my addons. i cant see the connection. and whatever i try. i cant all new messages just stuff on top of eachother. |
| 05:01.24 | Torhal | Gitt: I'd ditch Chronos. It's unmaintained. |
| 05:01.42 | nebula | lol, he's terrible to work with, i think some at affinity ended up forcing a designer on him at some point |
| 05:01.48 | nebula | and he threw out everything they did |
| 05:01.52 | nebula | someone* |
| 05:02.28 | Gitt | we had a designer a year or so ago |
| 05:02.28 | Torhal | Gitt: Unless you want to completely fix Chronos so your AddOn will work correctly, just ditch it in favor of something that's maintained and easier to use. |
| 05:02.30 | Gitt | she didn't last |
| 05:02.47 | Shadowed | It might be easier to fix Chronos than deal with a Thottbot addon to be fair |
| 05:02.51 | Shadowed | unless Chronos does something horribly insane |
| 05:03.01 | Gitt | Torhal: imo, easier said than done. The thottbot addon is littered with chronos code |
| 05:03.12 | Shirik | up |
| 05:03.14 | Shirik | my |
| 05:03.14 | Shirik | mt |
| 05:03.21 | Gitt | and the thottbot addon is also littered with old, obsolete code itself |
| 05:03.28 | Torhal | Shirik: You're lucky Fisker isn't paying attention. |
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| 05:03.52 | Gitt | I was going to rewrite it, but I haven't the least idea even where to begin |
| 05:04.11 | Torhal | Gitt: That was going to be my suggestion. |
| 05:04.36 | Shadowed | It's hard to say, it depends what it does specifically |
| 05:04.41 | Gitt | Torhal: not to mention, rewriting the addon code would require a backend rewrite of the data processing server side |
| 05:04.53 | Gitt | and I don't even want to touch that code again |
| 05:04.59 | Shadowed | but if you don't have a lot of experience with wow addons, doing a data gatherer is probably not the best thing :P |
| 05:05.06 | Shadowed | cause it's 99% voodoo |
| 05:05.30 | Xinhuan | ^^^ |
| 05:05.31 | Gitt | it's all guess work and shenanigans |
| 05:07.00 | Gitt | it wouldn't be so bad I guess, if I actually had people to work with... |
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| 05:07.11 | Gitt | don't see that happening anytime soon though |
| 05:07.32 | Xinhuan | i doubt anyone wants to touch code written in 2003 |
| 05:07.52 | Torhal | Especially since WoW wasn't even out then...:D |
| 05:08.39 | Xinhuan | the problems not only lie in wildly incompatible wow APIs, it also lies with different programming mindsets within the code between then and now |
| 05:08.58 | Shadowed | Also, you have to factor in that doing any sort of data collection addons for WoW is a huge pain |
| 05:09.14 | Shadowed | because it comes down to a ton of silly voodoo |
| 05:09.22 | Xinhuan | things that took 500 lines of code 5 years ago could take only 20 lines of code now, and is far mroe efficient |
| 05:09.36 | Shadowed | Xinhuan haha not with data collection |
| 05:09.43 | Shadowed | you add 1000 lines for something simple |
| 05:09.45 | Xinhuan | and data that previously were unavailable (such as ilvl) now are |
| 05:10.03 | Xinhuan | pfft Shadowed |
| 05:10.27 | Xinhuan | i have quite a number of data collection addons now lol |
| 05:10.48 | Xinhuan | every 2 years i have to rewrite them |
| 05:11.09 | Xinhuan | because the itemlink format changes, or they introduce zone phasing or something |
| 05:11.38 | Gitt | this conversation is highly encouraging. |
| 05:11.44 | Shadowed | haha sorry |
| 05:11.44 | Gitt | just throwing that out there :P |
| 05:11.56 | Xinhuan | cata is introducing unique area IDs at least, so :) |
| 05:12.06 | nebula | for the different phases? |
| 05:12.12 | nebula | that's kinda nice |
| 05:12.23 | Gitt | besides this, I even re-wrote the cosmos patcher to specifically update the addon, and upload the data. |
| 05:12.28 | Xinhuan | yeah |
| 05:12.30 | Gitt | that was a task |
| 05:12.44 | Xinhuan | ouch |
| 05:12.46 | Gitt | and wrote a mac version... MFC is not my friend |
| 05:13.11 | Gitt | oh, did I mention I told Thott I had zero obj-c and c++ knowledge? haha |
| 05:13.19 | nebula | perl > all, yo |
| 05:13.23 | Gitt | *flex* for getting the job done |
| 05:13.24 | Shadowed | Well, at least it's good programming experience? :P |
| 05:13.31 | Torhal | cringes away from nebula. |
| 05:13.35 | nebula | lol |
| 05:13.36 | Xinhuan | so do you have lua experience? lol |
| 05:13.37 | Gitt | I dislike perl |
| 05:13.50 | Gitt | 2 years ago, no... now, a little |
| 05:13.59 | Gitt | but it's jumbled... it's only what I've seen in thott's code |
| 05:14.03 | Gitt | and what I've read |
| 05:14.15 | nebula | i remembering looking at thott's shit and just dying on the inside |
| 05:14.19 | Gitt | but putting the reading w/ thotts code, make it all make less sense |
| 05:14.34 | Shadowed | hahah |
| 05:14.44 | Xinhuan | because reading code that doesn't work... obviously doesn't make sense ;p |
| 05:14.46 | Gitt | for example it's like reading that the sky is blue, and then seeing it green in code |
| 05:15.15 | Gitt | when I look at the current code I see massive redundancy that I try to remove, but somehow breaks the entire addon. |
| 05:15.25 | Napoleone | $parentText <-- anyone recognize this variable? cant find it online or in the book |
| 05:15.36 | nebula | would just be $parent |
| 05:15.41 | nebula | xml shenanigans |
| 05:15.47 | Xinhuan | that's basically the name of the parent, concatenated with the string "Text" |
| 05:15.54 | Xinhuan | generally used in XML |
| 05:15.58 | nebula | ^ |
| 05:16.04 | Xinhuan | to give a child a unique name based on its parent |
| 05:16.07 | Gitt | btw, this peaceblooms vs ghouls is going to ruin my life. |
| 05:16.53 | Xinhuan | so a child frame or element's name= attribute could be set to |
| 05:16.59 | Xinhuan | name=$parentText |
| 05:17.03 | Xinhuan | and if the parent's name is ABC |
| 05:17.09 | Xinhuan | that element would be named ABCText |
| 05:17.33 | Xinhuan | rather obtuse, but that's how it works in wow |
| 05:18.06 | Xinhuan | if you tried to create the parent without giving it a name using CreateFrame() when inheriting from such a template, it would fail |
| 05:18.55 | Napoleone | Xinhuan that makes sense. |
| 05:19.07 | Xinhuan | and if you made a second frame with the same name... |
| 05:19.09 | Xinhuan | well |
| 05:19.15 | Amarande | this is shaping up to be a very good guild night actually |
| 05:19.22 | Xinhuan | the second ABCText would overwrite the first one in _G[] |
| 05:19.22 | Amarande | I missed the LK attempts, but I've been getting a ton of cheeves |
| 05:19.37 | Xinhuan | both will exist, but code that tries to reference one might get the other |
| 05:19.55 | Napoleone | Amarande same as me last night.. took 4 bosses on 25 man for fun lol Full pug no whipes. its getting too easy ;) |
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| 05:20.52 | Napoleone | i'm just trying to make this simple messageframe so i can output guildchat to it.. but I'm having problems with the basics.. but seems to maybe start to figure it out now |
| 05:20.56 | Napoleone | thanks to you |
| 05:21.04 | Shadowed | pff Cide sucks where is he |
| 05:21.27 | Amarande | even picked up what the eck and share the love on one run |
| 05:21.32 | Amarande | despite the fact that my tank gear only gives 489 def |
| 05:21.54 | Amarande | lag got us on less-rabi attempt tho |
| 05:21.59 | nebula | pff, i ran heroics in full sunwell epics at wrath launch |
| 05:22.01 | Xinhuan | he's probably playing civ5 or something |
| 05:22.23 | Xinhuan | i'm waiting to pick up my box =/ |
| 05:22.31 | Napoleone | civ5 ftw :P for all my dormies lol |
| 05:23.00 | Napoleone | and now icant get AddMessage to work. call method AddMessage a nil value |
| 05:24.13 | zenzelezz | "The key flaw that caused this outage to be so severe was an unfortunate handling of an error condition. An automated system for verifying configuration values ended up causing much more damage than it fixed." - heh |
| 05:24.39 | Xinhuan | a sentence that tries to say everything, but says nothing |
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| 05:25.36 | Napoleone | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/140886 |
| 05:26.33 | nebula | i was under the impression $parent was only parsed in xml files |
| 05:26.46 | Xinhuan | that's correct |
| 05:26.51 | Xinhuan | but it can be used in XML templates too |
| 05:26.54 | Xinhuan | which lua code can use |
| 05:28.54 | Napoleone | arent there a lua way only? |
| 05:29.07 | Napoleone | i get the message I SUCK on screen. but i cant add text to it |
| 05:31.30 | Xinhuan | that's because you created one string and attached it to the message frame - you didn't actually use the message frame itself |
| 05:32.01 | Napoleone | please tell me how. I'm almost pulling my hair out. |
| 05:32.14 | nebula | f:AddMessage("hi?") |
| 05:32.25 | Napoleone | lets try |
| 05:32.51 | Napoleone | npo nothing |
| 05:33.00 | Xinhuan | i'm not 100% sure |
| 05:33.08 | Xinhuan | but i suspect the message frame needs to be initialized a bit more |
| 05:33.09 | nebula | never actually created a scrollingmessageframe |
| 05:33.22 | Xinhuan | i've never used a scrollingmessageframe before either |
| 05:33.28 | Xinhuan | but it probably needs some stuff set |
| 05:33.40 | Xinhuan | probably a font at least |
| 05:33.45 | Napoleone | wowprog book is not fond of lua ;P |
| 05:34.03 | Napoleone | i though that was the f:CreateFontString("$parentText","OVERLAY","GameFontNormal"); |
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| 05:34.49 | Xinhuan | what that does it it creates a separate fontstring, a 1-liner basically |
| 05:35.13 | Napoleone | ok |
| 05:35.25 | Xinhuan | that string isn't really an internal thing to the message frame |
| 05:35.42 | Xinhuan | so its width and height is indepedant |
| 05:35.47 | Xinhuan | of the message frame |
| 05:35.48 | Napoleone | ok redelete that ;P |
| 05:36.04 | Xinhuan | you could have created that fontstring and parented it to just about anything you want |
| 05:36.36 | Napoleone | now makes sense.. as i said took this from the only tot related thing i could find |
| 05:37.04 | Fisker | omg my chrome can't c |
| 05:37.30 | Xinhuan | i don't even know of any addon that actually creates and uses scrolling message frames lol |
| 05:37.57 | Napoleone | i would suspect scolling combat text |
| 05:38.40 | Napoleone | its funny that i can't find a single ths is the BASIC for making it work |
| 05:39.34 | Xinhuan | actually scrolling combat text uses individual fontstrings ;p |
| 05:39.48 | Napoleone | hm |
| 05:39.49 | Xinhuan | i believe SCT by grayhoof creates up to 30 of them |
| 05:39.53 | Napoleone | lol |
| 05:39.56 | Xinhuan | so if you have a 31st one, it reuses the 1st one |
| 05:40.01 | Napoleone | aaah |
| 05:40.21 | Xinhuan | scrolling message frames are used in only 2 places by the default UI... well your chat boxes |
| 05:40.24 | Xinhuan | and your raid warnings |
| 05:40.26 | Napoleone | but i am thinking the right way by having a window that i can relay guildchat into right |
| 05:40.40 | Napoleone | locked position. |
| 05:40.59 | Xinhuan | WIM might use it i guess |
| 05:41.06 | Napoleone | aaah |
| 05:41.13 | Napoleone | good thinking. time to see that code ;P |
| 05:41.38 | nebula | you can't just create a new tab, with only guild chat enabled, and drag that out? >.> |
| 05:42.41 | Napoleone | nop they are too big now |
| 05:43.03 | nebula | eh? |
| 05:43.04 | Napoleone | they cant fir in that corner after that new patch with all those features enabled to it |
| 05:43.20 | Napoleone | i cant resize it small enough |
| 05:43.22 | Torhal | Napoleone: Try Prat - it lets you make it look like the old one and move buttons. |
| 05:43.25 | Napoleone | it overlaps with other buttons |
| 05:43.37 | nebula | get chatter or prat or another of the many chat addons to move the buttons? |
| 05:43.43 | nebula | remove* |
| 05:43.57 | Napoleone | i want to learn. still not just use other addons. |
| 05:44.54 | Torhal | The best way to learn is to look at other AddOns, especially ones which have functionality similar to what you're trying to do. |
| 05:45.15 | Napoleone | i know. but i wont learn if i just use other addons |
| 05:45.52 | Napoleone | like is always suggested at first in here. thought this was a dev channel not a we wont like a challenge channel ;) |
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| 05:46.21 | nebula | reinventing the wheel just because you can just seems silly to me |
| 05:46.31 | Torhal | Most devs don't believe in re-inventing the wheel, either. And as a novice, tackling something like a chat AddOn isn't a good first-time choice. |
| 05:46.44 | Torhal | Hence, the suggestions. |
| 05:47.01 | Napoleone | and i dont want to reinvent the wheel i just want to understand it |
| 05:47.16 | Torhal | So look at AddOns which have similar functionality. |
| 05:47.29 | Torhal | See how they do what they do. |
| 05:47.38 | Napoleone | just like my math teacher.. this is Cos() sin() and Tan() and this is how you use it. but I'm never gonna tell you how it works so you would use it for other stuff on your own.. |
| 05:47.53 | Napoleone | my router is acting up.. cant browse again grr. |
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| 05:48.06 | Torhal | ...I'm telling you how to see how it works on its own. READ THE CODE FOR OTHER ADDONS. |
| 05:48.12 | Torhal | </endrant> |
| 05:48.22 | nebula | THATS CHEATING TOO, JUST TELL ME HOW |
| 05:48.37 | Torhal | nebula: inorite? |
| 05:48.37 | Napoleone | its only cheating if you get caught |
| 05:48.41 | nebula | :p |
| 05:49.42 | Napoleone | but Torhal look at your first line.. did it look like " look at this addon" or "why dont you use this instead of coding" |
| 05:50.25 | Torhal | "And as a novice, tackling something like a chat AddOn isn't a good first-time choice." <-- You don't know the basics and you're diving into the advanced stuff. |
| 05:50.35 | Xinhuan | the only time you want to "reinvent the wheel" is when you believe you can make a better wheel |
| 05:50.39 | Xinhuan | :) |
| 05:50.52 | ZorbaTHut | I put rockets on my wheel! |
| 05:50.52 | Xinhuan | otherwise, copy the damn wheel lol |
| 05:50.55 | ZorbaTHut | that makes it move so much faster |
| 05:50.59 | Napoleone | well its not a first time for me.. but more advanced yes. |
| 05:51.06 | ZorbaTHut | and spikes in case anything gets in the way! and acid! and chainsaws! and kittens! |
| 05:51.17 | Xinhuan | zaps ZorbaTHut |
| 05:51.17 | Napoleone | no no nooooo not the kittns. |
| 05:51.25 | Napoleone | KeyboardKat does not agree ;P |
| 05:51.40 | Xinhuan | if you really want |
| 05:51.44 | Torhal | re-banishes ZorbaTHut by mentioning QH updates. |
| 05:51.45 | Xinhuan | i'll suggest you take a look at the default UI |
| 05:51.53 | Xinhuan | and see how they do the raid frame warnings |
| 05:51.57 | Xinhuan | the stuff that appears in /rw |
| 05:52.09 | Xinhuan | its a scrolling message frame, and its probably simple enough |
| 05:52.23 | Arrowmaster | raid warning frame isnt a scrolling message frame anymore |
| 05:52.29 | Xinhuan | oh |
| 05:52.36 | Xinhuan | well UIErrorsFrame then? lol |
| 05:52.39 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 05:53.01 | Napoleone | hmm in the DefUI isnt that with xml buildup? |
| 05:53.03 | nebula | MessageFrame |
| 05:53.08 | nebula | not scrolling |
| 05:53.17 | Xinhuan | hmm |
| 05:53.26 | Xinhuan | so what the heck uses a scrolling one |
| 05:53.35 | nebula | <ScrollingMessageFrame name="ChatFrameTemplate" frameStrata="BACKGROUND" toplevel="true" displayDuration="120.0" maxLines="128" hidden="true" virtual="true"> |
| 05:53.37 | Napoleone | chatframe i recon |
| 05:53.39 | nebula | only thing i saw, lol |
| 05:53.48 | Xinhuan | hur hur, guess why no one touches that shit now |
| 05:54.07 | Napoleone | hmm isnt the diff between them that you can have a scrolling history with it? |
| 05:54.40 | Xinhuan | probably more than that |
| 05:55.28 | Torhal | stabs ALSA repeatedly. |
| 05:56.03 | Torhal | Sound under Linux sometimes tempts me to run fucking Windows. |
| 05:56.26 | nebula | lol |
| 05:57.36 | Shirik | you know what's awesome about ALSA? |
| 05:57.39 | Shirik | How easy it is to crash |
| 05:58.39 | Torhal | I run WoW - I get sound from my headphones. I run Oblivion - I get sound from my fucking speakers. |
| 05:58.42 | Torhal | growls. |
| 05:58.54 | Napoleone | thats why i have a switch... |
| 05:58.58 | Jerub | Torhal: pulseaudio allows you to have per application mixers |
| 05:59.10 | Napoleone | tap button.. speakers.. tap button BAM headphones |
| 05:59.17 | Torhal | Jerub: Pulseaudio is teh CPU eatorz! |
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| 05:59.22 | Jerub | Torhal: indeed! |
| 05:59.24 | nebula | what if you want music on speakers and game sound in headphones? |
| 05:59.28 | nebula | wheres your switch now? |
| 05:59.53 | Torhal | I don't get how Oblivion is even coming through the speakers - I have Wine set to run exclusively through headphones. |
| 06:00.17 | Napoleone | nebula that is unpractical |
| 06:00.26 | ZorbaTHut | wine, buggy? |
| 06:00.28 | Torhal | Especially since I changed nothing and three hours ago Oblivion was coming through the headphones. Bah. |
| 06:00.29 | ZorbaTHut | that's impossible |
| 06:00.30 | nebula | oh? i do it all the time |
| 06:00.41 | Napoleone | hehe or prefeered habit i gues |
| 06:00.41 | Torhal | ZorbaTHut: Nein! |
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| 06:16.33 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: got a sec? |
| 06:16.40 | ZorbaTHut | yup, what's up? |
| 06:16.59 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: rawr is confusing me, it's telling me that the best thing to do is have no +stam gems except to satisfy meta |
| 06:17.07 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: and use alll +agil on my bear |
| 06:17.16 | ZorbaTHut | I would be confused by that as well |
| 06:17.21 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: i'm wondering how to reasona bout a stam vs. mitigation tradeoff. |
| 06:17.26 | ZorbaTHut | it may be that you have things configured so that you're not worried about being spiked down |
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| 06:17.42 | ZorbaTHut | if you're doing, say, naxx10 in ilvl245 gear, then agi is probably better just so your healers can completely fall asleep on the job |
| 06:17.45 | Jerub | i checked the right checkboxes for +30% icc and -20% dodge debuff |
| 06:17.59 | ZorbaTHut | is it set to simulate an icc(whatever) boss? |
| 06:18.08 | Jerub | i'll check again |
| 06:18.13 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
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| 06:20.31 | Jerub | ah hah |
| 06:20.38 | Jerub | i had to tell it i wanted to do LK 10H |
| 06:21.08 | Amarande | EG is complaining now that I replaced my SP/spirit and haste/spirit gems with SP/stam on the warlock :( |
| 06:21.26 | Amarande | well sorrrrrrry EG! spirit's going to be useless in a few days! at least stam is a blue socket thing that will DO something |
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| 06:32.03 | Jerub | 'a few days' |
| 06:32.08 | Jerub | do we think PTR will land that quickly? |
| 06:35.21 | Napoleone | yay |
| 06:35.34 | Napoleone | 50 pages of diggin though the book.. i got soething working lol |
| 06:35.41 | Napoleone | can i pass out now? |
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| 06:36.09 | KarlKFI | yay Muse. Fun Concert |
| 06:37.25 | airtonix | pumps Napoleone with 50cc of cocaine solution |
| 06:38.24 | Jerub | rebirth no longer costs mana? |
| 06:38.25 | Jerub | win |
| 06:38.33 | Jerub | that's wiped raids before, not having enough mana to case rebirth |
| 06:38.51 | Amarande | Jerub: no, now each time you cast rebirth $4.95 will be billed to the credit card linked to your wow account :) |
| 06:39.32 | airtonix | Jerub, i think it's easier to not use druids... that way you have a 100% non failure rate for rebirth |
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| 06:39.54 | Amarande | and repairs will now cost an amount in cents equal to your GS |
| 06:40.10 | airtonix | pro |
| 06:41.00 | Fisker | btw Amarande i heard addons can predict the future |
| 06:42.23 | Amarande | Fisker: "you will wipe in approximately X seconds" |
| 06:42.29 | Amarande | DBM already shows the berserk timer. :) |
| 06:42.56 | airtonix | eDBM predicts cake |
| 06:43.08 | airtonix | and fmDBM delivers cake |
| 06:43.30 | Fisker | btw jnwhiteh zomg 2.2.1 |
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| 06:50.23 | Amarande | Jerub: given that I don't play my lock all that much these days I may as well get her cata ready already |
| 06:50.35 | Amarande | which I guess she pretty much is now |
| 06:50.57 | Amarande | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Turalyon&cn=Alvaerin |
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| 06:54.48 | Napoleone | cata ready is lvl 80 ;P |
| 06:54.59 | airtonix | fisker |
| 06:55.29 | airtonix | do you troll the people you work with? |
| 06:55.46 | Napoleone | hmm i cant see the gear on her. |
| 06:55.49 | Torhal | airtonix: I'm thinking he learns his techniques from them, and uses them here as a way of venting. |
| 06:55.50 | Napoleone | but its EPIXXX ;P |
| 06:57.23 | Amarande | Napoleone: you really don't want to go straight to cata when you ding 80 and are in quest greens |
| 06:57.28 | Amarande | that will involve you in a *lot* of pain. |
| 06:57.40 | Amarande | pain and suffering, even. just like the lich king likes to inflict :D |
| 06:57.45 | Napoleone | hehe |
| 06:57.52 | Wobin | actually it's fine |
| 06:57.58 | Napoleone | imho I'm selling all the shit i can atm... |
| 06:58.00 | Wobin | as long as you don't treat the mobs like you outgear it |
| 06:58.14 | Napoleone | no point in saving it when they are realeasing a progression again.. |
| 06:58.45 | Amarande | Wobin: apparently only ICC geared tanks get away with that, so I'm told :) |
| 06:58.52 | Amarande | anyway, time for sleep |
| 06:59.05 | Napoleone | Wobin are prom saronite used for any end 85 recpies? |
| 06:59.10 | Napoleone | or do they have new shit there? |
| 06:59.15 | Wobin | Napoleone: no idea |
| 06:59.24 | Wobin | do we -have- any 85 craftable stuff? |
| 06:59.38 | Napoleone | thought you were on beta ;P |
| 06:59.46 | Wobin | Napoleone: I was, but I've not levelled to 85 |
| 07:00.00 | Wobin | not til all the addons I use work well =) |
| 07:00.11 | Wobin | cause pugs are bad enough with working addons |
| 07:00.16 | Wobin | Caty pugs are even worse |
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| 07:03.11 | Napoleone | prob ;P |
| 07:03.30 | Napoleone | but are there new metals.. new herbs.. new craft.. then al lthis shit we have now will drop in price soo bad |
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| 07:50.54 | zenzio | http://punditkitchen.com/2010/09/23/political-pictures-space-shuttle/ - actually sensible |
| 07:53.39 | Arrowmaster | "I'd wait to thank me until after you see where I put the raccoon" |
| 07:55.40 | bluspacecow | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35127 |
| 07:55.43 | bluspacecow | woo ! |
| 07:58.08 | zenzio | http://verydemotivational.com/2010/09/23/demotivational-posters-from-a-distance/ - now that's creepy |
| 07:58.20 | Fisker | test tickles zenzio |
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| 07:59.59 | harl | hello |
| 08:00.08 | Fisker | hey harl |
| 08:00.11 | Fisker | i will destroy you |
| 08:00.11 | Cairenn | morning harl |
| 08:00.38 | harl | :) |
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| 08:04.55 | Fisker | it's not even morning Cairenn |
| 08:05.23 | Cairenn | depends on where you are |
| 08:07.06 | bluspacecow | Cairenn! |
| 08:07.09 | bluspacecow | *glomp* |
| 08:07.17 | bluspacecow | Look I wrote words : http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35127 |
| 08:07.19 | Cairenn | giggles and hugs bluspacecow |
| 08:07.23 | Cairenn | I saw them :) |
| 08:07.44 | Fisker | yeah but it's not morning where you are :( |
| 08:07.47 | bluspacecow | you can ninja stuff from it from the front page if you want to |
| 08:07.55 | Cairenn | you are very very good at writing words, blu, it's appreciated |
| 08:07.56 | Fisker | pretty old bluspacecow |
| 08:07.58 | Fisker | (hoho) |
| 08:08.05 | Fisker | nice with the walkthrough though |
| 08:08.11 | Fisker | for us who can secure our accounts :P |
| 08:08.11 | bluspacecow | *puts wig on* |
| 08:08.17 | bluspacecow | *bats eyelashes* |
| 08:09.34 | Fisker | i'm guessing when they announce in Europe they'll say that Blizzard should make sure less people got hacked |
| 08:09.45 | bluspacecow | hmm |
| 08:09.45 | Fisker | you know because Blizzard sells passwords to goldsellers |
| 08:09.47 | bluspacecow | herp derp |
| 08:09.52 | bluspacecow | can't fix stupid |
| 08:09.53 | Fisker | instead of just making huge amounts of gold and selling that |
| 08:10.09 | bluspacecow | are people aware blizzard can just go /script MoreGold(); |
| 08:10.13 | bluspacecow | and boom they has gold! |
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| 08:10.37 | bluspacecow | i wonder if they have a MoreTacos(); command |
| 08:10.37 | Fisker | I've seen 9/11 conspiracy theories make more sense than Blizzard helping goldsellers hack accounts |
| 08:10.55 | bluspacecow | ~purl Make Tacos! |
| 08:10.56 | purl | make: *** No rule to make target `Tacos!'. Stop. |
| 08:11.00 | bluspacecow | :( |
| 08:11.09 | bluspacecow | purl dont wanna make tacos :( |
| 08:13.58 | Adys | ATI is causing kernel panics triggered by chrome. |
| 08:14.00 | Adys | wow. |
| 08:14.16 | Adys | you *have* to be bad to do shit like this |
| 08:15.02 | bluspacecow | any particular cards ? |
| 08:15.18 | Adys | any it seems |
| 08:15.41 | bluspacecow | >_< |
| 08:15.54 | bluspacecow | <---- just ordered an ATI radeon 5750 |
| 08:16.05 | Adys | why..? |
| 08:16.08 | Adys | dude :/ |
| 08:16.15 | Adys | get a nvidia seriously |
| 08:16.30 | bluspacecow | *sigh* |
| 08:16.34 | bluspacecow | poop! |
| 08:18.11 | Zyn | heh, I use Firefox with a ATI-card and with the latest drivers my screen goes black for a split second whenever I view a video online :\ |
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| 08:23.20 | Adys | http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2010/09/derren-brown-mailing-list-tour-dates-2011/ |
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| 09:05.34 | jnwhiteh | anyone able to log into Broxigar on the PTR and make a raid with me? |
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| 09:30.16 | jnwhiteh | ah nvm |
| 09:30.19 | jnwhiteh | wrong build anyway |
| 09:30.23 | haste | D: |
| 09:30.58 | industrial | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzmD9GEpdTw |
| 09:31.03 | industrial | wish I could have met the guy |
| 09:31.05 | industrial | (george) |
| 09:31.13 | industrial | He's awesome. |
| 09:56.03 | Sentri | are there any damage meters that work on beta? |
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| 10:08.56 | Napoleone | function gc_new_a(self, event, ...) how shall i replace event... "CHAT_MSG_GUILD" or without the quotes |
| 10:11.17 | jnwhiteh | huh? |
| 10:11.40 | Napoleone | can i replace it with the custom event i want it.. or do i have to make an if to react only to that event |
| 10:12.23 | jnwhiteh | I really don't understand your question |
| 10:12.25 | jnwhiteh | an event fires |
| 10:12.30 | jnwhiteh | your event handler gets the information about the event |
| 10:12.31 | jnwhiteh | you handle the event |
| 10:12.43 | Napoleone | gc_new:RegisterEvent("CHAT_MSG_GUILD") |
| 10:13.04 | Napoleone | that event registred. so that function will only get fired when that event fires? |
| 10:13.05 | jnwhiteh | I have no idea what gc_new is. |
| 10:13.10 | Napoleone | my frame |
| 10:13.15 | Napoleone | non important. |
| 10:13.22 | jnwhiteh | the OnEvent function will be fired for ANY event that it is registered for |
| 10:13.27 | Napoleone | ok |
| 10:17.34 | Napoleone | i <3 u ;P |
| 10:17.43 | Napoleone | been a while since i did this ;P |
| 10:17.47 | Napoleone | good to get it refreshed |
| 10:18.35 | jnwhiteh | ;P |
| 10:18.50 | Napoleone | jnwhiteh i couldnt ask you one more favor could I? |
| 10:19.00 | jnwhiteh | you can ask any question |
| 10:19.02 | Napoleone | CHAT_MSG_GUILD how to use those arguments it passes |
| 10:19.07 | jnwhiteh | and if i can't answer it someone probably will |
| 10:19.09 | jnwhiteh | Napoleone: no idea |
| 10:19.13 | jnwhiteh | you have to figure that out for your self |
| 10:19.19 | jnwhiteh | look at how the default UI uses them |
| 10:19.22 | jnwhiteh | you get them from ... |
| 10:19.25 | Napoleone | god another 3 days of trying to find answers. starts now |
| 10:19.30 | jnwhiteh | !api CHAT_MSG_GUILD |
| 10:19.31 | Napoleone | i got the book but it doesnt say it there |
| 10:19.39 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
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| 10:20.03 | jnwhiteh | use /eventtrace |
| 10:20.05 | jnwhiteh | I think is the slash command |
| 10:20.08 | jnwhiteh | then get the event to fire |
| 10:20.12 | jnwhiteh | and it'll show you what the arguments are |
| 10:20.20 | Napoleone | but the usage of em? |
| 10:20.24 | Napoleone | beeing totally nub now |
| 10:20.29 | jnwhiteh | i dont understand what you mean the usage of them |
| 10:20.34 | jnwhiteh | they are passed to the event handler |
| 10:20.35 | jnwhiteh | in ... |
| 10:20.51 | jnwhiteh | so depending on what they are |
| 10:20.58 | Napoleone | i know that part |
| 10:21.13 | jnwhiteh | then Im' not sure how I can help |
| 10:21.13 | Napoleone | arg 1 = the text sent.. |
| 10:21.17 | jnwhiteh | okay |
| 10:21.21 | Napoleone | so how tdo i "use" that |
| 10:21.22 | jnwhiteh | then what do you mean 'use them' |
| 10:21.24 | Napoleone | yes |
| 10:21.29 | jnwhiteh | local msg = ... |
| 10:21.31 | jnwhiteh | then use msg |
| 10:21.44 | Wobin | http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l97d98MQW11qzpwi0o1_500.jpg |
| 10:21.52 | jnwhiteh | Wobin: that's so holarious |
| 10:21.56 | Wobin | I'll just leave that there (old, but still...) |
| 10:23.14 | Napoleone | hmm all we need is JB and a shotgon story and the world is in sync again |
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| 10:25.43 | LebQzz | what was the last i said |
| 10:30.05 | Wobin | [20:23:13] <Napoleone> hmm all we need is JB and a shotgon story and the world is in sync again |
| 10:30.48 | LebQzz | hehe |
| 10:30.57 | LebQzz | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:31.44 | Wobin | first how many? |
| 10:31.55 | Wobin | just use local arg1, arg2, arg3 = ... |
| 10:31.59 | Wobin | and it'll discard the rest |
| 10:32.05 | LebQzz | whmm |
| 10:32.07 | LebQzz | let me try ;P |
| 10:32.29 | LebQzz | gc_new:AddMessage(arg1,0.2,1,0.2,true) |
| 10:32.31 | LebQzz | so that should work |
| 10:32.44 | Wobin | well... if you assign it correctly, yes |
| 10:32.53 | LebQzz | let me try mon |
| 10:34.02 | LebQzz | hmm Wobin undereventtrace theres a time in a wierd numberformat... can i call that with time? |
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| 10:44.07 | LebQzz | local arg1, arg2, arg11 = ...; |
| 10:44.11 | LebQzz | local gmessage = "[] <",arg2,"> ",arg1; |
| 10:44.19 | LebQzz | what am i doing wrong |
| 10:46.34 | Fisker | zomg fringe season 3 |
| 10:46.45 | Fisker | btw jnwhiteh seen 2.2.1? |
| 10:47.08 | LebQzz | uuug fringe out? |
| 10:47.11 | LebQzz | nizzle |
| 10:47.14 | Wobin | LebQzz: have you read PiL? |
| 10:47.22 | Wobin | ~pil |
| 10:47.22 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 10:47.45 | Wobin | go read that, and it'll explain all you need |
| 10:50.25 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: no |
| 10:51.09 | jnwhiteh | LebQzz: you should probably explain what you're trying to do, rather than posting code that is likely wrong =) |
| 10:51.16 | jnwhiteh | since from wrong code, its not clear to us what your intention is. |
| 10:51.48 | LebQzz | hehe |
| 10:52.04 | A-KO | http://1.media.collegehumor.cvcdn.com/73/37/31269ea388d3e414c49cae1e8e1ea97b.jpg |
| 10:52.06 | A-KO | lol |
| 10:52.09 | LebQzz | from the event. i need the time, arg 1 2 and 11 |
| 10:52.22 | LebQzz | and then use em to build up a sentence i can display |
| 10:52.24 | jnwhiteh | local arg1, arg2 = ... |
| 10:52.29 | jnwhiteh | local arg11 == select(11, ...) |
| 10:52.33 | jnwhiteh | that's that much |
| 10:52.35 | LebQzz | in theAddMessage(gmessage,0.2,1,0.2,true) ; |
| 10:52.46 | jnwhiteh | whats the message ou want to display |
| 10:52.50 | jnwhiteh | in terms of arg1/arg2 and arg11 |
| 10:52.55 | LebQzz | guild message |
| 10:52.58 | jnwhiteh | becaue what you had before is not even close to valid lua syntax |
| 10:53.15 | LebQzz | hehe what i though |
| 10:53.42 | jnwhiteh | you will need to use string.format to build your string |
| 10:53.45 | jnwhiteh | or rather, you should. |
| 10:53.53 | jnwhiteh | I'm off to the gym in a moment. |
| 10:53.59 | LebQzz | !lua string.format |
| 10:54.00 | batbot | LebQzz: > function: 0x6e0e10 |
| 10:54.06 | jnwhiteh | !api string.format |
| 10:54.06 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'string.format' can be found at http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#pdf-string.format |
| 10:54.22 | jnwhiteh | tho my description in the book will be much more useful than that link |
| 10:54.44 | LebQzz | you wrote in the book? |
| 10:54.55 | LebQzz | wow programmin sec edi? |
| 10:54.59 | jnwhiteh | if 'the book' is wow programming, yes. |
| 10:55.02 | jnwhiteh | I'm the primary author |
| 10:55.12 | LebQzz | *bow* to you ;P |
| 10:55.25 | LebQzz | this is a good religion.. I'm actually talking with my god ;P |
| 10:56.27 | jnwhiteh | its a sad sad religion if you worship or even consider me |
| 10:56.31 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 10:56.40 | LebQzz | well its better than the official goverment religions |
| 10:56.48 | jnwhiteh | wants a beta patch. now. |
| 10:56.54 | jnwhiteh | also, the PTR patch does not include the code I need |
| 10:56.55 | jnwhiteh | kthx. |
| 10:56.58 | LebQzz | you dont have cata? |
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| 10:57.27 | jnwhiteh | I do, but that's irrelevant |
| 10:57.49 | LebQzz | ok |
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| 10:58.56 | jnwhiteh | the code doesn't exist yet |
| 10:58.58 | jnwhiteh | that I need |
| 10:59.04 | jnwhiteh | and I need Blizzard to push it =) |
| 10:59.55 | LebQzz | hehe |
| 11:00.31 | LebQzz | you mean stuff from 97? |
| 11:00.48 | jnwhiteh | I mean stuff in a future build that I know is coming |
| 11:01.13 | LebQzz | i mean with the string.format ;P |
| 11:01.27 | jnwhiteh | (you understand how without context, that made no sense?) =) |
| 11:01.31 | jnwhiteh | its in the Lua standard libraries chapter |
| 11:01.39 | jnwhiteh | the description adn examples of string.format there should help you |
| 11:01.39 | LebQzz | ye |
| 11:02.34 | jnwhiteh | I'm off |
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| 11:02.45 | LebQzz | good talking to ya.. happy workout ;P |
| 11:03.36 | industrial | mmmnomnomnom karnemelk = awesome |
| 11:03.48 | LebQzz | naa |
| 11:11.37 | zenzio | I really hate when articles on the net don't include a date posted/updated |
| 11:12.59 | LebQzz | agree |
| 11:27.23 | LebQzz | zenzio book doesnt really say how to merge variables into 1 variable. |
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| 11:27.42 | LebQzz | with cutsom string in between. or i'm not reading the right place. |
| 11:29.15 | zenzio | I'm not sure why you're telling me, but string concatenation in lua is .. |
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| 11:29.40 | zenzio | local arf = var1 .. " is totally super " .. var2 .. "!"; |
| 11:29.58 | LebQzz | thanks |
| 11:30.05 | LebQzz | thats the one I've been looking for all day lol |
| 11:30.19 | LebQzz | php is diff c++ is diff lol i'm confused ;P |
| 11:31.27 | amro | that's because you haven't learned programming yet |
| 11:31.32 | LebQzz | hehe |
| 11:31.47 | LebQzz | been a few month since i last had my fingers in programming.. damn school ;) |
| 11:32.42 | cbreak_work | languages are just syntax and api. |
| 11:32.55 | cbreak_work | concepts, patterns and structures transcend those |
| 11:39.18 | cbreak_work | for example, what you were looking for is not "merging of variables", it's string concatenation. |
| 11:39.55 | cbreak_work | it only works with strings and things that can be converted to a string |
| 11:40.17 | LebQzz | sorry understood it like that aswell |
| 11:40.44 | LebQzz | hmm that time i get from wow.. with GetTime() anyway to convert it to something human underatandable? |
| 11:41.29 | cbreak_work | LebQzz: http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetTime |
| 11:41.34 | cbreak_work | read what you get back |
| 11:41.39 | cbreak_work | then think :) |
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| 11:45.07 | cbreak_work | you probably found out that the method does not do what you want by now :) |
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| 11:46.47 | LebQzz | yes |
| 11:47.07 | LebQzz | well its a time from the event actually |
| 11:47.15 | LebQzz | returned in same format |
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| 11:49.26 | LebQzz | any guidance? |
| 11:50.32 | LebQzz | date ffs |
| 11:50.36 | LebQzz | !api date() |
| 11:50.36 | lua_bot | Found 176 possible matches for 'date()'. Please be more specific |
| 11:50.40 | LebQzz | ok |
| 11:51.33 | haste | !api os.date |
| 11:51.33 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'os.date' can be found at http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#pdf-os.date |
| 11:51.41 | haste | !api date |
| 11:51.41 | lua_bot | date: Returns a formatted date/time string for a date (or the current date) (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/date) |
| 11:52.03 | haste | just noticed this was #wowuidev and not #lua |
| 11:53.09 | LebQzz | ;P |
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| 12:06.13 | LebQzz | have a string 11/11/11 22:22:22 how to i format it to only the time |
| 12:06.33 | unfo- | split(' ')[1] |
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| 12:31.42 | industrial | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rep-john-b-larson/10-major-new-health-refor_b_736766.html |
| 12:31.46 | industrial | hahmerica |
| 12:31.47 | industrial | finally, I guess. |
| 12:33.49 | LebQzz | !spi split() |
| 12:33.52 | LebQzz | !api split() |
| 12:33.53 | lua_bot | Found 3 possible results for 'split()': SplitContainerItem, strsplit, SplitGuildBankItem |
| 12:33.56 | foxlit | The (new) goblin NPC voices are awesome. |
| 12:34.02 | LebQzz | !api strsplit() |
| 12:34.03 | lua_bot | strsplit: Splits a string based on another seperator string (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/strsplit) |
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| 12:44.11 | LebQzz | unfo- |
| 12:44.19 | LebQzz | when i add the [] is says nil |
| 12:44.25 | Jamash | just got the Direbrew Remote. |
| 12:44.27 | foxlit | "3Guys2Contests" |
| 12:44.32 | LebQzz | print(strsplit(' ',date())) |
| 12:44.53 | LebQzz | returns 11/11/11, 22:22:22 |
| 12:44.58 | LebQzz | so i know theres 2 elemetns now |
| 12:45.21 | unfo- | LebQzz, ah. my Lua-fu is non-existent |
| 12:45.33 | industrial | np: Zalza - Introchip #1 1997 ((za)chi1.xm) |
| 12:45.35 | unfo- | LebQzz, just use whatever lua way is for taking the second index of an array |
| 12:45.48 | foxlit | it's not an array |
| 12:45.50 | Wobin | lua is 1 based |
| 12:46.13 | unfo- | foxlit, strsplit does not return an array? |
| 12:46.16 | unfo- | wat? |
| 12:46.25 | foxlit | strsplit does not return an array. |
| 12:46.35 | unfo- | o_O mind==blown |
| 12:46.38 | unfo- | what does it return? |
| 12:46.40 | Wobin | Returns: |
| 12:46.40 | Wobin | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:47.00 | unfo- | okay... can you get "second item in list" ? |
| 12:47.11 | unfo- | or just head/rest ? |
| 12:47.40 | LebQzz | or is there another way to return current local time in nn:nn:nn format |
| 12:48.29 | Jamash | lua> select(2, strsplit(' ', date())) |
| 12:48.29 | lua_bot | Jamash: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'date' (a nil value) |
| 12:48.29 | foxlit | actually, it's just multiple returns syntax |
| 12:48.33 | Jamash | darp |
| 12:48.44 | foxlit | lua> local date, time = strsplit(' ', date()); print(time); |
| 12:48.45 | lua_bot | foxlit: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'date' (a nil value) |
| 12:49.13 | unfo- | oh lua has that, nice! :) |
| 12:49.34 | unfo- | LebQzz, if you have actual access to the date object then just print it the right way :D |
| 12:49.40 | Jamash | lua> select(2, strsplit(' ', os.date())) |
| 12:49.41 | lua_bot | Jamash: Sep, 24, 12:45:34, 2010 |
| 12:49.48 | Jamash | hm |
| 12:49.55 | unfo- | !api strftime |
| 12:49.55 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'strftime'. |
| 12:50.01 | unfo- | no luck with that dice |
| 12:50.17 | LebQzz | wthing is that event and GetTime() returns the milliseconds |
| 12:52.20 | LebQzz | date() returns dd/m//yy |
| 12:52.34 | LebQzz | date() returns dd/mm/yy hh:nn:ss |
| 12:53.52 | LebQzz | and i just need the hh:nn:ss |
| 12:54.33 | foxlit | local h, m = GetGameTime() ? |
| 12:54.57 | Jamash | lua>os.date("%H:%M:%S") |
| 12:54.57 | lua_bot | Jamash: 12:50:51 |
| 12:54.59 | Jamash | BAM |
| 12:55.07 | LebQzz | hehe does that work in wow? |
| 12:55.19 | Jamash | yeah just use date(blah) instead of os.date(blah) |
| 12:55.26 | LebQzz | thansk ;P |
| 12:55.36 | Jamash | you're welcome :) |
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| 13:01.05 | Lunessa | station |
| 13:01.16 | LebQzz | on my scrollingmessageframe |
| 13:01.43 | LebQzz | gc_new:SetFontObject("GameFontNormal"); and gc_new:SetFont("GameFontNormal",6,"OUTLINE"); wich one doesnt work and where can i make the font even smaller ;P |
| 13:02.55 | Lunessa | 6 is already goddamned tiny. But if you kill the Outline, it'll look smaller. |
| 13:03.10 | LebQzz | doesnt seem like its actually affecting it |
| 13:03.26 | LebQzz | set to 12 normally minimum and thats way to big on my screen ;P |
| 13:03.46 | Lunessa | 6 is "OMFG, my eyes hurt" small |
| 13:04.02 | LebQzz | not on my 24" ;P |
| 13:04.27 | LebQzz | the first one cant change size. and I dont think the other is even doing anything |
| 13:06.02 | Jamash | SetFont takes a font file path as the first argument, not a font object |
| 13:06.10 | foxlit | Lunessa: ordinarily, yes. But wow is weird |
| 13:06.29 | Lunessa | Scaling to 1024x 768 does funky things. |
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| 13:08.41 | Jamash | something like this: local file = GameFontNormal:GetFont(); gc_new:SetFont(file, 6, "OUTLINE") |
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| 13:11.07 | LebQzz | path in quotes? |
| 13:11.10 | LebQzz | ye |
| 13:12.09 | LebQzz | ok 6 is horriffic small ;P |
| 13:12.41 | Lunessa | IS VINDICATED. |
| 13:13.17 | Jamash | lolololololol |
| 13:13.24 | LebQzz | like i said it wasnt activating properly ;P |
| 13:13.38 | LebQzz | hmm can i just remove the last part to delete the outline? |
| 13:14.40 | LebQzz | hmm the book says its not optional,.... uuuh ;) |
| 13:14.56 | LebQzz | max charactername lenght is 16 right? |
| 13:27.15 | Lunessa | LebQzz: Set the last bit to MONOCHROME |
| 13:28.55 | Lunessa | Also - fuck yes: http://www.youtube.com/v/Fnn1dDVmZyQ&hl=en_US |
| 13:29.02 | Lunessa | fail. |
| 13:29.06 | Lunessa | http://www.youtube.com/v/Fnn1dDVmZyQ |
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| 13:35.01 | Computerpunk | hmm. |
| 13:35.12 | Computerpunk | Lunessa, sounds pretty good, but, but, not my type. :D |
| 13:35.50 | Lunessa | Eric Clapton is a a minor divinity. At the end of days he will judge you. |
| 13:36.22 | Wobin | I guess there'll be tears in heaven |
| 13:36.36 | Lunessa | hihg-fives Wobin |
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| 13:43.27 | Lunessa | Neil Gaiman nicks the TARDIS. http://twitpic.com/2rg1je |
| 13:45.15 | foxlit | There was an error loading this page, please try again. |
| 13:46.04 | foxlit | meh, laggy, but fixed itself. |
| 13:48.22 | Wobin | Lunessa: http://plixi.com/p/46745916 the amount of awesome contained in this picture is over 9000 |
| 13:49.09 | Lunessa | Wobin: All of time and space can barely contain it. |
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| 13:51.31 | Ackis | who are those people Wobin? |
| 13:52.27 | Wobin | Neil Gaiman and Terry Pratchett |
| 13:52.51 | Ackis | ah |
| 13:53.12 | Ackis | don't know Gaiman, and just read Pratchett which explains why I don't know his face |
| 13:53.34 | jnwhiteh | i am not a huge pratchett fan |
| 13:53.42 | jnwhiteh | maybe I should try him again at some point in the future |
| 13:54.01 | Lunessa | jnwhiteh: Try "Good Omens" which he and Mr. Gaiman co-wrote. |
| 13:54.12 | jnwhiteh | oh I love Good Omens |
| 13:54.16 | unfo- | signs the above recommendation |
| 13:54.18 | jnwhiteh | but read "Guards! Guards!" |
| 13:54.22 | jnwhiteh | and everyone was shocked that I didn't like it |
| 13:54.33 | cbreak_work | I bet Mr. Gaiman got banned from XBox live due to naming violations. |
| 13:54.40 | jnwhiteh | but the satire in Guards! Guards! just seemed forced to me, like he was trying to get X puns per page over the source of the book |
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| 13:55.06 | Wobin | he's not really for puns... |
| 13:55.12 | Wobin | you'd want Xanth for that =P |
| 13:55.25 | jnwhiteh | i DONT want puns |
| 13:55.30 | jnwhiteh | I mean, I can handle some |
| 13:55.36 | jnwhiteh | Jasper Fforde is awesome |
| 13:55.47 | jnwhiteh | I just don't like when it feels forced |
| 13:55.49 | jnwhiteh | and fuck Xanth =) |
| 13:55.53 | jnwhiteh | heard its complete shit. |
| 13:56.14 | LebQzz | hi again jnwhiteh |
| 13:56.18 | Lunessa | jnwhiteh: Some of the Disc World books are more heavy-handed than others. You'd probably prefer "The Color of Magic" more. |
| 13:56.19 | jnwhiteh | http://www.goodreads.com/review/list/78978?shelf=read is my list of read books since I came to the UK |
| 13:56.25 | jnwhiteh | if that helps give you an idea of what I like |
| 13:56.30 | jnwhiteh | Lunessa: I'll try that one, thanks for the recommendation |
| 13:56.36 | LebQzz | you have a mistypo in your book that confused me ;P |
| 13:56.45 | jnwhiteh | LebQzz: is it listed on the errata for the book? |
| 13:56.56 | jnwhiteh | http://wowprogramming.com/chapters/errata_2ed |
| 13:57.03 | LebQzz | errata? |
| 13:57.12 | LebQzz | dam i Dc'ed its me napoleone ;P |
| 13:57.21 | jnwhiteh | list of errors |
| 13:57.22 | Wobin | hehe |
| 13:57.25 | jnwhiteh | that I'm aware of and post the response to =) |
| 13:57.28 | Wobin | Xanth is nothing-but- puns |
| 13:57.29 | LebQzz | where can i see that? ;P |
| 13:57.34 | jnwhiteh | LebQzz: http://wowprogramming.com/chapters/errata_2ed |
| 13:57.42 | jnwhiteh | also each chapter shows the errata |
| 13:57.49 | jnwhiteh | i.e.http://wowprogramming.com/chapters/second-edition/11 |
| 13:57.53 | Wobin | but I can't really see that DW uses puns per se |
| 13:58.02 | jnwhiteh | LebQzz: if your issue is not there, let me know so I can post it. |
| 13:58.09 | LebQzz | SetFont("GameFontNormal",6,"OUTLINE") |
| 13:58.21 | LebQzz | the book doesnt say the last part is optional |
| 13:58.29 | Wobin | it leans more towards the over emphasis of human foibles |
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| 13:59.21 | Wobin | haha jnwhiteh, if you made it through incarnations... =) |
| 13:59.45 | Wobin | wow, and Brooks |
| 13:59.51 | Wobin | I cannot read Terry Brooks anymore =( |
| 14:00.11 | bluspacecow | why ? |
| 14:00.20 | Wobin | I dunno, I read them when younger |
| 14:00.27 | jnwhiteh | Wobin: incarnations were AWESOME |
| 14:00.27 | Lunessa | Terry Brooks and Terry Goodkind - please stop spewing terrible drivel, thanks. |
| 14:00.30 | Wobin | and something in them stopped me from ever re-reading them |
| 14:00.33 | LebQzz | page 1133-1134 |
| 14:00.33 | jnwhiteh | and Brooks is terrible |
| 14:00.34 | Wobin | oh god Goodkind |
| 14:00.36 | jnwhiteh | but I got into the universe |
| 14:00.38 | jnwhiteh | and wanted to know more. |
| 14:00.43 | jnwhiteh | LebQzz: okay, whats the issue? |
| 14:01.28 | Ackis | Lunessa: what was wrong with Goodkind? |
| 14:01.34 | Wobin | I could not continue with the Sword of Truth, I made it to Blood of the Fold and threw the book away in disgust |
| 14:01.37 | jnwhiteh | I heard the sword of truth is terrible |
| 14:01.39 | LebQzz | book says isValid = FontInstance:SetFont("filename", fontHeight, "flags") |
| 14:01.45 | jnwhiteh | sioraiocht: had the same reaction Wobin |
| 14:01.45 | Lunessa | Ackis: Reading his books is like drinking draino. |
| 14:02.12 | LebQzz | dont you need to add [] at the last arg |
| 14:02.14 | industrial | $ git merge origin => error: git checkout-index: unable to create symlink .vim/autoload/pathogen.vim (File name too long) |
| 14:02.15 | LebQzz | its optional |
| 14:02.17 | jnwhiteh | LebQzz: and what are you observing instead? |
| 14:02.17 | industrial | Don't know what to do with this |
| 14:02.20 | industrial | in the origin i removed a symlink and moved the file to that location instead (to support windows), so I dont understand why it wants to even create a symlink |
| 14:02.33 | Fisker | stares down jnwhiteh |
| 14:02.45 | Ackis | Lunessa: still haven't given a reason why, I read his last book in a 24 hour period it was that engaging |
| 14:02.46 | LebQzz | book says isValid = FontInstance:SetFont("filename", fontHeight,[ "flags"]) |
| 14:02.52 | LebQzz | shouldnt it be that |
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| 14:04.48 | Lunessa | Ackis: the material is not engaging. It needed a very heavy handed editor and another 2-3 rewrites before it should have been fit for publication. And the story might have been interesting... if the author would get out of the way and just tell it. And there were sections where I felt like "did I miss an entire chapter that explains this otherwise Deus Ex Machina moment?" |
| 14:05.26 | LebQzz | 2 fav people in wow world so far ;P this is awesome |
| 14:05.52 | LebQzz | in this channel ;P |
| 14:06.24 | bluspacecow | and me ! |
| 14:06.29 | Ackis | Lunessa: ok those are fair arguments ;) I really was just curious why... I felt the Sword of Truth series dragged on a bit too long (3 books were wtf?) and felt that certain sections just repeated themselves... over and over and over |
| 14:06.29 | industrial | cries on Fisker's shoulder |
| 14:06.33 | Ackis | LebQzz: who? |
| 14:06.37 | bluspacecow | *puffs chest fondles fisker* |
| 14:06.38 | LebQzz | you Ackis is jnwhiteh |
| 14:06.57 | sylvanaar_atwork | i like the tv show |
| 14:07.02 | LebQzz | your mod is rev for me ;P you helped me maybe through my mod make a custom profile ;P |
| 14:07.08 | Ackis | haven't watched it yet sylvanaar_atwork |
| 14:07.11 | Lunessa | Ackis: And worse, he hammered the "People are stupid" line over and over... while the hero does stupid things over and over. |
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| 14:07.12 | sylvanaar_atwork | its good |
| 14:07.23 | Ackis | yeah I want to watch it |
| 14:07.27 | Wobin | his objectivist leanings were a little obvious =) |
| 14:07.27 | sylvanaar_atwork | its got a little somethign for everyone |
| 14:07.46 | Ackis | thanks LebQzz, I had a lot of help from this channel and #wowace writing it, and Torhal and pompy have contributed a lot to it as well |
| 14:08.24 | LebQzz | but i need to talk to you again when i'm done with this chat crap ;P |
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| 14:09.38 | LebQzz | need to make this customization perfect ;) |
| 14:09.47 | Ackis | http://betahs.com |
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| 14:10.43 | Fisker | why so srs industrial ? |
| 14:11.01 | LebQzz | fisker is awesome aswell ;P |
| 14:11.50 | Wobin | http://m-mcgregor.livejournal.com/116180.html covers the SoT series quite well |
| 14:12.21 | Seerah | huggles indie |
| 14:12.55 | Fisker | i'm so awesome LebQzz |
| 14:12.57 | Fisker | it's amazing |
| 14:13.12 | LebQzz | hehe |
| 14:13.24 | LebQzz | naa you talk rough to me but in the end you make sense ;P |
| 14:13.56 | Wobin | also http://sandstormreviews.blogspot.com/2006/08/goodkind-parodies.html |
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| 14:17.32 | nicoli_s | hey vjeux:i likeyer changes to mapster, looking good |
| 14:17.39 | vjeux | hey |
| 14:17.40 | Ackis | meh I enjoyed the series for the most part |
| 14:17.41 | vjeux | thanks :) |
| 14:17.55 | nicoli_s | also, should have sc2replayed updtaed by monday |
| 14:17.55 | vjeux | Shadowed is doing a great work with sc2ranks :) |
| 14:18.02 | Ackis | vjeux: can I point out where you broke things? ;) |
| 14:18.03 | nicoli_s | yeah he is |
| 14:18.41 | vjeux | are you going to integrate sc2ranks with sc2replayed? |
| 14:18.42 | Wobin | jnwhiteh: I suggest you read Night Watch by Terry Pratchett, it's one of the later ones |
| 14:19.06 | jnwhiteh | I still haven't seen a response from LebQzz, have they given one yet? |
| 14:20.17 | nicoli_s | vjeux:yeah |
| 14:20.23 | vjeux | great |
| 14:20.43 | Xinhuan | hey jnwhiteh, pm |
| 14:21.03 | jnwhiteh | don't have one |
| 14:21.07 | Xinhuan | hmm |
| 14:21.07 | jnwhiteh | my connection is spotty |
| 14:21.08 | jnwhiteh | resend? |
| 14:21.12 | Xinhuan | ok |
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| 14:26.27 | Xinhuan | IsAddOnLoaded() is behaving strangely on beta =/ |
| 14:27.46 | Xinhuan | hmm |
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| 14:28.26 | jnwhiteh | Xinhuan: how so? |
| 14:29.13 | Xinhuan | actually, i'm probably wrong |
| 14:29.17 | Xinhuan | another error caused it |
| 14:32.14 | Ackis | Xinhuan: did you figure out why your account was being locked yesterday btw? |
| 14:32.20 | Xinhuan | no clue |
| 14:32.24 | Xinhuan | twice too |
| 14:32.27 | Ackis | yeah |
| 14:32.32 | Ackis | you got DCed and it was relocked |
| 14:32.43 | Xinhuan | it was an ISp-wide d/c |
| 14:32.47 | Ackis | could it be someone on facebook that saw your e-mail doing it fur lulz? |
| 14:33.04 | Xinhuan | dunno |
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| 14:34.25 | Ackis | my dad sent me a joke: two cavemen talking with a cavewoman standing beside them. Caveman 1 to Caveman 2: I'm going to teach her to talk, what harm could come from it? |
| 14:35.07 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLqhSzr9axk |
| 14:39.17 | Xinhuan | she will never stop talking |
| 14:39.28 | nicoli_s | good old MS, they have a class in .net called HttpPostedFileBase and HttpPostedFile, and youd think the 2nd would inherit from the first right? wrong, have to use a stupid wrapper that takes in the 2nd and makes it usable as the 1st one |
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| 14:52.37 | LebQzz | can i put colorcoded messages in AddMessage? |
| 14:57.21 | sylvanaar_atwork | sure |
| 14:58.05 | sylvanaar_atwork | I dont know what I would do if you couldnt |
| 15:02.37 | foxlit | Hey, "Very Hard" AI seems to actually be hard. |
| 15:04.51 | cog|away | Fisker: |
| 15:04.51 | nicoli_s | i havent been able to beat it yet, but then again i suck |
| 15:07.03 | LebQzz | by adding |cffffd200 infron? |
| 15:07.15 | LebQzz | shall i end with | there the color should end? |
| 15:07.30 | Cide | |r |
| 15:07.37 | LebQzz | wmerci |
| 15:07.42 | Xinhuan | when did quests start to get auto accepted on beta |
| 15:07.51 | LebQzz | lol |
| 15:07.53 | Xinhuan | and can i turn it off =.= |
| 15:08.14 | nevcairiel | they only do that in starting areas, i though |
| 15:08.23 | nevcairiel | +t |
| 15:08.28 | Xinhuan | not sure |
| 15:08.36 | Xinhuan | i've only been trying some starting area stuff |
| 15:08.45 | Xinhuan | does the hunter pet bar only appear after level 10? |
| 15:08.55 | LebQzz | thats when you got a pet ;P |
| 15:08.56 | nevcairiel | when you get the spell, yes |
| 15:08.59 | Xinhuan | cos i've done the first 5 lvls and i dont' see a pet bar although i have a pet |
| 15:09.04 | nevcairiel | LebQzz: nah, you start with a pet now |
| 15:09.12 | LebQzz | sweet lol |
| 15:09.12 | Xinhuan | well you get a pet at level 1 |
| 15:09.16 | Xinhuan | which spell are you talking about nev |
| 15:09.17 | LebQzz | even easier ;P |
| 15:09.24 | LebQzz | in wotlk aswell? |
| 15:09.36 | nevcairiel | "Control Pet" |
| 15:09.49 | nevcairiel | its a passive, but last i heard you have to cast it once after getting it |
| 15:09.50 | Xinhuan | because trying to debug if my addon works with a pet bar |
| 15:09.52 | Xinhuan | is annoying |
| 15:09.53 | nevcairiel | if they didnt fix that yet |
| 15:10.27 | Xinhuan | my old hunter i made still doesn't have a pet hehe |
| 15:12.28 | Xinhuan | woo |
| 15:12.32 | Xinhuan | "You added StarCraft II® (North America) to your Battle.net account. Your Southeast Asian & Oceanic game client will allow you to select which StarCraft II® account you wish to play for each play session." |
| 15:13.13 | jnwhiteh | oh that's very nice |
| 15:13.19 | jnwhiteh | if I didn't suck at SC2 |
| 15:13.25 | jnwhiteh | I'd considering doing that so I could play with my brothers |
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| 15:14.07 | Xinhuan | well unless your copy of sc2 is SEA |
| 15:14.15 | Xinhuan | you don't get a free NA account hehe |
| 15:15.29 | Computerpunk | 1x AceConsole-2.0-91094 (Ace2):2582: AceTab-2.0: Cannot register frame "ChatFrameEditBox"; it does not exist |
| 15:15.29 | Computerpunk | AceTab-2.0-40685 (ProximoGrid):338: in main chunk |
| 15:15.30 | Computerpunk | :( |
| 15:15.35 | Computerpunk | Outdated code. |
| 15:15.36 | Computerpunk | Gtfo. |
| 15:15.48 | Xinhuan | proximo? lolol |
| 15:15.53 | Xinhuan | that's like 2 years old |
| 15:15.55 | sylvanaar_atwork | good luck with acetab2 |
| 15:16.00 | Computerpunk | I use ProximoGrid for BGs. |
| 15:16.03 | Computerpunk | Dunno a better AddOn. |
| 15:16.07 | Computerpunk | If you could recommend one, I'd be grateful. |
| 15:16.36 | Xinhuan | i'm just saying, the author stopped playing wow about 1-2 years ago |
| 15:16.40 | sylvanaar_atwork | i know there are some |
| 15:16.44 | Computerpunk | I know. |
| 15:16.45 | Computerpunk | He did. |
| 15:16.59 | Computerpunk | :( |
| 15:19.45 | Lunessa | jnwhiteh: Hey, I suck at SC:II as well. Like, worse than Cogwheel. |
| 15:19.56 | jnwhiteh | hehe =) |
| 15:20.19 | sylvanaar_atwork | just build lots of resource mining units |
| 15:20.23 | Xinhuan | he can play worms though! |
| 15:20.35 | cogwheel | s/can play/likes/ |
| 15:20.35 | nicoli_s | just scv rush |
| 15:20.38 | Lunessa | needs to get Civ V. |
| 15:20.48 | nicoli_s | ditto |
| 15:20.50 | cogwheel | haven't played in years |
| 15:21.00 | Xinhuan | i need to pick up my box this weekend |
| 15:21.03 | Xinhuan | civ5 that is |
| 15:21.17 | Xinhuan | its cheaper than buying it off steam by like 40% lol |
| 15:21.43 | nicoli_s | really? |
| 15:21.50 | nicoli_s | why is the boxed copy so much cheaper? |
| 15:22.11 | Xinhuan | well would you pay $49.99 USD on steam, or $52 SGD to get a boxed copy |
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| 15:22.15 | Xinhuan | exchange rate is like 1.35 |
| 15:22.27 | Xinhuan | so its like.. hmm 30%-40% cheaper? |
| 15:22.44 | cogwheel | you and your not worthless money! |
| 15:22.48 | cogwheel | :P |
| 15:23.12 | jnwhiteh | cries out desperately for a beta patch |
| 15:23.13 | bluspacecow | pfft |
| 15:23.18 | bluspacecow | its all cogwheels fault |
| 15:23.19 | Duman | heh |
| 15:23.50 | cogwheel | whistles innocently |
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| 15:24.39 | cogwheel | so... this was pretty awesome: http://www.calacademy.org/events/nightlife/ |
| 15:25.02 | cogwheel | booze and science. how can you go wrong? |
| 15:25.04 | nicoli_s | ckknight is a newbie |
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| 15:25.57 | amro | Xinhuan: 25% |
| 15:26.06 | Duman | man, I haven't been to the academy of sciences in a long time |
| 15:26.19 | Xinhuan | quite a significant amount don't you agree hehe |
| 15:26.25 | Lunessa | http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2010/9/24/ - ROFL |
| 15:27.51 | Lunessa | cogwheel: "booze and science. how can you go wrong?" Oh so many, many ways... |
| 15:28.15 | LebQzz | what format is the colorcodes when they are cffff7f3f |
| 15:28.23 | Humbedooh | alpha,r,g,b |
| 15:28.32 | Humbedooh | caarrggbb |
| 15:28.44 | LebQzz | aaaah |
| 15:28.51 | bluspacecow | *murloc gurgle* |
| 15:28.53 | bluspacecow | like that |
| 15:29.15 | Humbedooh | mrgglmrggl? |
| 15:29.34 | bluspacecow | mmmmmrrglllglllglglglglmrmgmgglglglg |
| 15:30.34 | Duman | heh |
| 15:30.44 | cogwheel | Lunessa: i know rite? :P |
| 15:31.28 | Lunessa | I mean, give a high energy particle accelerator to someone with .3 BAC... |
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| 15:32.27 | cogwheel | luckily they do mostly "squishy" science there... though i'm not sure you'd fare any better with rattle snakes, black widows, electric eels, etc.... |
| 15:33.04 | Lunessa | So many ways to go wrong. |
| 15:33.32 | Lunessa | Also - http://ihasahotdog.com/2010/09/23/funny-dog-pictures-warp-speed/ |
| 15:33.57 | nicoli_s | loldogs just doesnt have the same appeal as lolcats |
| 15:34.08 | Computerpunk | ^ |
| 15:34.10 | Computerpunk | ^ |
| 15:34.11 | Computerpunk | SO TRUE. |
| 15:34.15 | Computerpunk | also, hi nicoli_s. :D |
| 15:34.18 | Computerpunk | Long time no see. |
| 15:34.30 | nicoli_s | indeed, hows it been man? |
| 15:34.35 | Computerpunk | nothing much. |
| 15:34.39 | Computerpunk | been making money through programming. |
| 15:34.44 | Computerpunk | and no, not related to Curse. |
| 15:34.44 | nicoli_s | always good |
| 15:34.45 | Computerpunk | xD |
| 15:34.47 | Computerpunk | Yeah. |
| 15:34.50 | Computerpunk | Busy life. |
| 15:34.51 | nicoli_s | doing contract work? |
| 15:34.52 | Computerpunk | That's all. |
| 15:34.57 | Computerpunk | Nope, I'm still underage. |
| 15:34.57 | cogwheel | you might be a redneck if your school bus has a radar detector |
| 15:35.05 | cogwheel | lolnub |
| 15:35.07 | cogwheel | <.< |
| 15:35.18 | Computerpunk | fu u. |
| 15:35.20 | Computerpunk | :( |
| 15:35.26 | Computerpunk | being underage is fun. |
| 15:35.35 | Fisker | i kissed a cogwheel |
| 15:35.36 | Computerpunk | jailbait isn't defined as jailbait, but just awesomebait. |
| 15:35.40 | cogwheel | Fisker: no you humped a croc |
| 15:35.47 | Fisker | oh ok |
| 15:35.51 | cogwheel | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6R3BYCT5oWw <-- fisker's home movie |
| 15:36.08 | cogwheel | Computerpunk: XD |
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| 15:39.54 | Lunessa | http://graphjam.com/2010/09/22/funny-graphs-how-to-beat-the-boss/ (in all video games, including WoW) |
| 15:41.34 | cogwheel | Lunessa: u discuverd mai sekrit tanking weapon |
| 15:41.48 | Lunessa | Muwhahahaha! |
| 15:42.27 | foxlit | grrr, what did they do to the coop ai |
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| 15:46.36 | nicoli_s | better or worse foxlit? |
| 15:46.47 | foxlit | unreasonably good |
| 15:48.09 | Fisker | takes nicoli_s |
| 15:49.00 | nicoli_s | nuhuh |
| 15:50.18 | Fisker | you're mine |
| 15:50.39 | Fisker | why do people keep bringing this shit? |
| 15:50.42 | Computerpunk | rapes nicoli_s and impregnates him with his baby. |
| 15:50.47 | Computerpunk | Fisker, you still want him? |
| 15:50.50 | Fisker | "Microsoft Wants to Lead PC Revolution" |
| 15:51.10 | Fisker | It's like "BNP says it's not racist" |
| 15:51.43 | Computerpunk | NO ME. |
| 15:52.16 | Computerpunk | lua> print(os.time()) |
| 15:52.16 | lua_bot | Computerpunk: 1285343290 |
| 15:52.27 | Computerpunk | lua> print(os.date()) |
| 15:52.27 | lua_bot | Computerpunk: Fri Sep 24 15:48:21 2010 |
| 15:52.31 | Computerpunk | LOLOLOL |
| 15:52.34 | Computerpunk | WHERE DO YOU LIVE? |
| 15:52.45 | Computerpunk | GMT -1. o_0 |
| 15:52.55 | nevcairiel | actually thats GMT |
| 15:53.10 | Lunessa | Computerpunk: I suggest you not make light of rape. Several regulars find it highly offensive. |
| 15:53.38 | Computerpunk | Oh, forgot about DST. |
| 15:53.53 | Computerpunk | Lunessa, true dat, I realise it now. |
| 15:53.55 | Humbedooh | GMT and DST don't mix :\ |
| 15:54.14 | Computerpunk | wait, waat? |
| 15:54.22 | Humbedooh | GMT doesn't have DST ;o |
| 15:54.23 | cogwheel | we should just ditch time zones altogether and everyone use UTC |
| 15:54.31 | Pneumatus | GMT == UTC |
| 15:54.37 | Pneumatus | we have BST in the summer |
| 15:54.41 | Humbedooh | no no |
| 15:54.51 | Humbedooh | UTC = Smelly frenchified GMT |
| 15:56.12 | foxlit | "nicoli_s: better or worse foxlit?" << infact, this smells of "Oops did we forget to not let it control every single unit at the same time?" |
| 15:57.50 | cogwheel | i now know 3 people who use or have used that kitteh with a lime peel helmet as their avatar. |
| 15:58.38 | foxlit | Stuff like "Current APM: 600" appearing in replay metrics is a bit annoying |
| 15:58.41 | nicoli_s | ive seen a bunch too |
| 15:59.04 | nicoli_s | foxlit:supposedly they messed up a bunch of replay stuff, some people are saying the wrong units are showing up in the build order and stuff too |
| 15:59.06 | cogwheel | foxlit: you should see the replay husky casted between Computer and Computer (insane) |
| 15:59.14 | cogwheel | APMs got upwards of 2k at some points |
| 15:59.36 | cogwheel | but it's artificially inflated. i think the computers control each unit individually rather than simulating boxing |
| 15:59.42 | TC-Work | ~burp |
| 15:59.42 | purl | ACTION burps loudly |
| 15:59.58 | foxlit | So the good news is that they fixed ignorance of cannon/bunker rushes |
| 16:00.07 | foxlit | The bad news is that their AI now exploits their own pathfinder. |
| 16:04.16 | nicoli_s | ouch |
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| 16:06.03 | cogwheel | apparently moons reproduce by fission... http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2010/09/24/dione-and-rhea-sitting-in-a-tree/ |
| 16:08.35 | Ackis | how does a cogwheel reproduce? |
| 16:08.59 | cogwheel | it involves lots of teeth |
| 16:09.35 | Fisker | i teeth'd you |
| 16:09.36 | Arrowmaster | thats either kinky or a really bad pun |
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| 16:09.41 | cogwheel | Arrowmaster: both |
| 16:10.11 | Adys | Google finally announced 10^100 winners |
| 16:10.13 | Adys | http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/blogspot/MKuf/~3/AsjG9qWiIg4/10-million-for-project-10100-winners.html |
| 16:10.19 | cogwheel | <3 android tricorder ap |
| 16:10.21 | cogwheel | app* |
| 16:13.45 | Adys | ~seen tuller |
| 16:13.45 | purl | tuller <~Tuller@c-69-143-56-163.hsd1.va.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #curseforge, 1d 14h 30m 7s ago, saying: 'hurray'. |
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| 16:13.45 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o ckknight] by ChanServ |
| 16:13.48 | Adys | wtf purl |
| 16:14.01 | Fisker | Ackis |
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| 16:15.48 | Ackis | wot Fisker? |
| 16:16.09 | Fisker | hey |
| 16:16.48 | Shirik | wot Shirik? |
| 16:17.08 | cogwheel | jnwhiteh: do you know of an app that will tell me what's currently using the GPS? |
| 16:17.23 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 16:17.33 | jnwhiteh | you can look at power tutor, it may be able to filter it to only include GPS |
| 16:17.34 | jnwhiteh | but I'm not sure |
| 16:17.49 | Lunessa | cogwheel: I'm impressed that Cassini sends back such high-res images even after being out there with no maintenance for this long. |
| 16:19.45 | nevcairiel | They are mighty expensive, they build those to last :p |
| 16:19.57 | cogwheel | jnwhiteh: i'll check it out. ty |
| 16:21.08 | Fisker | cogwheel |
| 16:21.14 | Fisker | can i tell you a secret? |
| 16:21.20 | TC-Work | cogwheel: turn off the gps and see what bitches at you |
| 16:21.58 | cogwheel | TC-Work: nothing. that was the problem. |
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| 16:23.59 | TC-Work | cogwheel: then how do you know something was using it |
| 16:24.41 | cogwheel | because the icon shows up in the status bar |
| 16:24.53 | cogwheel | i meant nothing bitches |
| 16:24.56 | TC-Work | doesnt that simply mean it's active |
| 16:25.02 | cogwheel | yeah and that's the problem |
| 16:25.10 | cogwheel | it stays active for like 5 mins with no reason |
| 16:25.10 | TC-Work | i mean active as in enabled |
| 16:25.15 | cogwheel | = faster dead battery |
| 16:25.17 | cogwheel | no |
| 16:25.43 | cogwheel | the indicator shows up when its in use. the "enable" just makes it allowed to be in use |
| 16:26.29 | cogwheel | also my wifi connectivity has gone to shit since the 2.2 update QQ |
| 16:26.43 | Fisker | cogwheel |
| 16:26.44 | Fisker | can i tell you a secret? |
| 16:27.05 | cogwheel | yes, but then it won't be anymore |
| 16:27.12 | Fisker | sure |
| 16:27.17 | Fisker | i like you cogwheel |
| 16:27.55 | Shirik | I like you Fisker |
| 16:28.30 | cogwheel | i like you fiskirik |
| 16:29.35 | cogwheel | Fisker: this wasn't a secret imo. I graduated from "not so hey" to "hey" a while ago |
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| 16:33.19 | TC-Work | is that supposed to make sense cogwheel? |
| 16:33.35 | cogwheel | yes. |
| 16:33.48 | cogwheel | grep logs for Fisker imo |
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| 16:35.26 | Ackis | http://www.lamebook.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/endw1.png |
| 16:35.57 | foxlit | Having no pulse must be awkward |
| 16:36.25 | Ackis | http://www.lamebook.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/endw5.png (possibly NSFW) |
| 16:37.05 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 16:37.56 | nicoli_s | that would be weird imho |
| 16:39.00 | Fisker | gentlenicoli_s |
| 16:39.14 | Fisker | oh true cogwheel |
| 16:39.19 | Fisker | didn't realize you noticed |
| 16:39.23 | Shirik | hm |
| 16:39.26 | cogwheel | TC-Work: see? |
| 16:39.29 | Shirik | Cide, what is "expected an indended block"? |
| 16:39.48 | Shirik | don't tell me it expected an indented block ._. |
| 16:40.11 | nevcairiel | what else would it mean |
| 16:40.12 | TC-Work | cogwheel: i never see him type "not so hey' |
| 16:40.16 | nevcairiel | you can't have empty blocks |
| 16:40.28 | Fisker | not so hey TC-Work |
| 16:41.02 | TC-Work | ok, now i have |
| 16:41.05 | TC-Work | once |
| 16:41.10 | Shirik | It happens on this http://wowi.pastey.net/140899 |
| 16:41.13 | Shirik | on the highlighted line |
| 16:41.19 | Shirik | I'm like "it is indented..." |
| 16:42.01 | Fisker | http://www.google.dk/search?hl=da&safe=active&q=freenode+%23wowuidev+fisker+not+so+hey&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai= |
| 16:42.04 | Fisker | l2p TC-Away |
| 16:42.39 | nevcairiel | stupid logging |
| 16:42.46 | Lunessa | Ghostcrawler for the win: "Here's a tip. Try a build. Record your dps. Try another build. Record its dps. See what does the best for you. " |
| 16:43.05 | jnwhiteh | Shirik: your first character is a tab, the second line contains spaces |
| 16:43.09 | jnwhiteh | this can fuck with python's chi |
| 16:43.19 | TC-Work | Fisker: i know how to pee |
| 16:43.19 | nevcairiel | mixed indentation! bad! |
| 16:43.26 | Shirik | ... |
| 16:43.35 | jnwhiteh | :setlocal si et sw=4 |
| 16:43.37 | Fisker | i see what you did there TC-Work |
| 16:44.03 | Shirik | thanks |
| 16:44.09 | jnwhiteh | np! |
| 16:44.17 | TC-Work | Fisker: Voyeur |
| 16:44.27 | Shirik | have I mentioned I hate python? |
| 16:44.49 | nevcairiel | mixed indentation is like a reason to go to hell in any language |
| 16:44.52 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 16:44.54 | Shirik | heh |
| 16:44.54 | TC-Work | Shirik: you have mentioned you hate a LOT of things |
| 16:44.56 | nevcairiel | in python, the compiler checks for you! |
| 16:44.59 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: Lua doesn't care :P |
| 16:45.08 | jnwhiteh | go doesn't care =) |
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| 16:45.12 | jnwhiteh | jkjk! |
| 16:45.16 | Humbedooh | but nevcairiel cares! |
| 16:45.17 | Shirik | I think nevcairiel was saying you're bad if you used mixed indentation, no matter what language you use |
| 16:45.19 | nevcairiel | jnwhiteh: most languages don't, but the next dev maintaining your code will hunt you down :p |
| 16:45.27 | jnwhiteh | hehe =) |
| 16:45.32 | Shirik | actually I'm really not sure how that happened |
| 16:45.38 | Shirik | my editor is supposed to replace tabs with spaces |
| 16:46.08 | nevcairiel | did you cook up some copy pasta? |
| 16:46.14 | nevcairiel | thats how it always happens for me =/ |
| 16:46.29 | nevcairiel | but, i have my editors set to show whitespace |
| 16:46.51 | Shirik | nah, I don't believe in copy pasta |
| 16:48.15 | TC-Work | Shirik: i assure you, it exists |
| 16:48.21 | Shirik | ._. |
| 16:48.40 | Lunessa | Goddamn - Ghostcrawler /gets/ it. "We don't like the thought of telling players at level 1 that only a select few of them will be able to kill the dragon and the rest will be voted off the island. Sure it feels great for the dragonslayer, but all the rest of the players never get to experience the end of the game. " - I'm buying that man a bottle of good Gin. |
| 16:49.39 | Shirik | good gin |
| 16:49.54 | Shirik | isn't that a |
| 16:49.56 | Shirik | what do you call it |
| 16:50.02 | Shirik | like jumbo shrimp |
| 16:50.11 | Humbedooh | hodge podge! |
| 16:50.16 | Lunessa | Shirik: gin can be very, very good. |
| 16:50.16 | Shirik | oxymoron |
| 16:50.39 | TC-Work | Lunessa: was he there last year? |
| 16:50.50 | NightHawkTheSane | good gin is -amazing- |
| 16:50.58 | Lunessa | At BC? yeah. He was a key speaker in lots of panels. |
| 16:50.58 | NightHawkTheSane | especially with some nice tonic, and a little lime. |
| 16:51.10 | Ackis | Lunessa: make 1 man killable dragons and it'll solve all the worlds problems |
| 16:51.11 | Ackis | :D |
| 16:51.17 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: F'that! A little vermouth and a twist. |
| 16:51.36 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: that works too. but we can both agree, gin is good. :) |
| 16:51.53 | Lunessa | If malreth is listening, he'll agree. Gin is Good. |
| 16:52.05 | malreth | Gin is God |
| 16:52.11 | NightHawkTheSane | thats only mildly spooky |
| 16:53.37 | TC-Work | Lunessa: i mean with 'the group' |
| 16:54.22 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: I also liked his comment, "Too often the ones that are worried about the 1% dps increase are the ones with sub-optimal gems and weapons of unusual weapon speed who don't understand why the boss keeps parrying them, and so on." |
| 16:54.31 | NightHawkTheSane | not as mean as I would have said it, but still. |
| 16:58.48 | Cide | Shirik: that was the worst question ever |
| 16:58.49 | Adys | ~wowiquotes |
| 16:58.49 | purl | http://www.teomyr.eu/wowuidev/irc-quotes |
| 16:58.50 | Cide | did you solve it? |
| 16:58.58 | Shirik | I gave a code sample! |
| 16:58.59 | Shirik | and yes |
| 16:59.07 | Shirik | however now my unit test is failing |
| 16:59.35 | Shirik | I asked my parser to parse the sentence "I will buffalo him" and there should only be 1 possible interpretation (despite that buffalo is both a noun and a verb) |
| 16:59.38 | Shirik | but it's coming up with 2 |
| 16:59.49 | Shirik | 1> (S (NP (PRP I)) (VP (MD will) (VP (V buffalo) (NP (PRP him))))) |
| 16:59.54 | Shirik | .... but they're the same |
| 17:00.00 | Shirik | so now I want to beat my head against a wall |
| 17:00.48 | Cide | haha |
| 17:00.49 | Cide | ouch |
| 17:00.56 | Cide | use pdb for debugging |
| 17:01.10 | Cide | import pdb |
| 17:01.17 | Cide | pdb.set_trace() # will invoke the debugger and break |
| 17:01.34 | Shirik | I don't think that's going to help |
| 17:01.44 | Shirik | It's deep into library code that it comes out with this |
| 17:01.47 | Shirik | I just specify the grammar |
| 17:02.06 | Shirik | the library has a grammar debugger though, it's just strange this shouldn't be possible at all |
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| 17:06.06 | LebQzz | who posted the beiber pic? |
| 17:07.56 | cogwheel | Lunessa: bashiok's pretty good too: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/628080679?page=2#39 |
| 17:08.18 | cogwheel | "I'm actually at a loss for words for rebutting the ridiculous things you've convinced yourself of. " |
| 17:08.40 | Adys | !api accept |
| 17:08.40 | lua_bot | Found 21 possible matches for 'accept'. Please be more specific |
| 17:08.42 | Adys | !api acceptlfg |
| 17:08.42 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'acceptlfg'. |
| 17:08.45 | Adys | !api acceptdungeon |
| 17:08.45 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'acceptdungeon'. |
| 17:08.46 | Adys | meh. |
| 17:08.54 | Lunessa | Heh. cogwheel That is pretty good. |
| 17:08.54 | Adys | !api leaveparty |
| 17:08.54 | lua_bot | LeaveParty: Exits the current party or raid (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/LeaveParty) |
| 17:09.37 | cogwheel | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/628080679?page=2#24 (from earlier in the thread) |
| 17:11.03 | Lunessa | It's been fun, and I'm a let you finish, but we all know that Lunessa is off to have the best Friday ever. |
| 17:11.28 | Sixen | Rofl Lune. |
| 17:14.05 | Shirik | what is this crap |
| 17:14.09 | Shirik | Python has no block comment? |
| 17:15.05 | cogwheel | Shirik: Vertical Tab |
| 17:15.08 | cogwheel | <.< |
| 17:15.12 | Cide | the multiline string |
| 17:15.21 | Cide | is ignored by the compiler |
| 17:15.53 | Cide | but it encourages you to use docstrings for explaining the big things of a function/class/module |
| 17:16.02 | Cide | which mostly removes the need for specific syntax for multiline comments |
| 17:16.44 | Shirik | how about the "I want to remove this segment of code" |
| 17:17.38 | cogwheel | ctrl-X |
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| 17:18.04 | Shirik | have I mentioned unit tests are awesome? |
| 17:18.15 | Shirik | I have no idea what I've screwed up, however my unit tests are telling me very clearly that I've screwed up |
| 17:18.54 | Shirik | if only wow addons had more unit tests |
| 17:18.59 | Shirik | the world would be such a better place |
| 17:19.28 | Cide | Shirik: just multiline string it |
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| 17:27.43 | Shirik | AHA! |
| 17:27.56 | Shirik | most hidden bug ever |
| 17:28.22 | Shirik | in a 100-line grammar file, one line: MD -> 'am' | 'will' |'have' | "will" | "be" |
| 17:28.27 | Shirik | so it tried "will" twice ._. |
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| 17:31.27 | cogwheel | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/627978343 ahahaha |
| 17:34.17 | NightHawkTheSane | cogwheel: that MAY be the best ad campaign, ever. |
| 17:34.25 | cogwheel | idd |
| 17:35.17 | cogwheel | "i have yet to post on the blizzard forums, and probably will never post again. i logged in just to say i enjoyed this post more than you will ever know" <-- wonder if he works for the ad agency |
| 17:39.19 | Cide | Shirik: haha |
| 17:39.34 | Cide | assuming that's BNF, shouldn't that be condensed into one value? |
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| 17:40.53 | LebQzz | is it possible to have a table view in a scrollingmessageframe? |
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| 17:41.30 | cogwheel | there's no such thing as a "table view" |
| 17:41.58 | LebQzz | want to structure the view.. or do i have to make 4 frames next to eachother lol |
| 17:42.11 | LebQzz | |time|lvl|name|msg| |
| 17:42.38 | Ackis | "How much has it been your experience that Americans follow what happens in the world? It's something we'll monitor, but Americans are somewhat self-absorbed" <-- CEO of Netflix yesterday hehe |
| 17:42.44 | cogwheel | yeah. all the table-like uis in the game are built from separate fontstrings |
| 17:43.11 | LebQzz | so i have to create 4 frames for the experience.. |
| 17:43.26 | LebQzz | was hoping for a 1 frame. auto spacing feature. |
| 17:43.29 | cogwheel | seems like you should just build your own UI instead of trying to contort the scrollingmessageframe. it's not a hugely complicated subsystem. |
| 17:44.02 | cogwheel | and you could surely borrow a lot of the code from it |
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| 17:45.03 | Cide | no! |
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| 17:45.11 | Cide | fauxscrollframes are contorted |
| 17:45.18 | LebQzz | ? |
| 17:45.19 | cogwheel | not fauxscrollframes |
| 17:45.22 | cogwheel | scrollingmessageframe |
| 17:45.34 | cogwheel | DUH CIDE |
| 17:45.35 | Cide | ah |
| 17:45.42 | Cide | well they are even more contorted |
| 17:45.52 | cogwheel | unpossible |
| 17:46.18 | Xinhuan | -.- |
| 17:46.27 | LebQzz | cide any advice to make a scrolling chat then that have it seperated according to size then |
| 17:47.46 | Cide | just create the scrollframe and whatever else it requires, I forget (scrollchild?) |
| 17:47.51 | Cide | and fill the scrollchild with content |
| 17:47.53 | Cide | and done |
| 17:48.37 | LebQzz | hmm |
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| 17:53.45 | kd3 | whee, ptr build's been released to the masses |
| 17:57.33 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/140903 does that highlighted line actually mean anything important? |
| 17:58.08 | Shirik | to me it seems like it thinks it's a binary file |
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| 18:01.39 | TC-Work | because it's in """ |
| 18:02.58 | Shirik | hm? |
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| 18:06.22 | Adys | Shirik: no, it doesn't |
| 18:06.26 | Adys | it just means "lots of changes to that file" |
| 18:06.54 | Shirik | ok |
| 18:06.55 | Adys | git considers this as a "rewrite" and, internally, doesn't diff it but creates a new copy |
| 18:06.58 | Adys | to improve performance |
| 18:07.15 | Adys | to the end user it doesn't mean anything |
| 18:07.26 | Shirik | I just never seen it before it kinda freaked me out |
| 18:07.41 | Adys | i think it's when more than 65% of the file has been changed |
| 18:07.44 | Adys | or something like that |
| 18:07.59 | Adys | afk sleep |
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| 18:13.35 | Cide | sleep at 8pm huh |
| 18:16.35 | sylvanaar_atwork | likes fogbugz |
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| 18:37.05 | cbreak | git's supposed to always create a new copy internally |
| 18:37.16 | cbreak | even if you just add a trailing newline to a file |
| 18:41.15 | Arrowmaster | right but then it can save harddrive space by using diffs of different snapshots |
| 18:41.29 | Arrowmaster | well not 'diff's but 'delta's |
| 18:43.00 | cbreak | git only does that when it repacks |
| 18:43.18 | cbreak | that doesn't happen on commits, but periodically during maintenance |
| 18:43.24 | cbreak | no idea how that time is determined exactly |
| 18:43.41 | cbreak | you can make git do it with git gc and/or git repack |
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| 18:56.08 | Shirik | I have a dictionary: http://wowi.pastey.net/140907 but "for word, replacement in ParserConfiguration.replacements.iterkeys():" causes TypeError: '_sre.SRE_Pattern' object is not iterable |
| 18:56.13 | Shirik | can't I iterate over a dictionary like that? |
| 18:59.51 | TC-Work | why is there a comma after word? |
| 19:00.24 | nicoli_s | Shirik:try iterating over the keys |
| 19:00.48 | Cide | _sre.SRE_Pattern isn't a dict |
| 19:01.09 | Cide | oh |
| 19:01.15 | Cide | I didn't see the pastey |
| 19:01.27 | Shirik | I think I got it |
| 19:01.31 | Cide | Shirik: when you do iterkeys() you only get a set of values |
| 19:01.32 | Shirik | it should be iteritems() not iterkeys()? |
| 19:01.35 | Cide | yes |
| 19:01.36 | Shirik | ok |
| 19:01.44 | Cide | iteritems() gets you (key, value) pairs |
| 19:02.08 | Cide | if you do iterkeys() you only get keys, and then you tried to capture that into two values (which tries iterating over the object) |
| 19:02.22 | Shirik | ah |
| 19:04.03 | batbot | Shirik fears to duel a bot, what a coward. |
| 19:07.17 | Cide | Shirik: use raw strings for regexes |
| 19:07.25 | Cide | or regex replacements |
| 19:07.31 | Cide | r"str" |
| 19:07.44 | Shirik | yeah I already fixed that |
| 19:07.50 | Shirik | unit test caught that one |
| 19:08.04 | Cide | you got a unit test for marking regexes as raw strings? |
| 19:08.19 | Shirik | no |
| 19:08.22 | Cide | or did you mean that \1 wasn't r"\1" |
| 19:08.23 | Shirik | I have a unit test that tested the replacement |
| 19:08.26 | Cide | ah |
| 19:08.28 | Shirik | and then it was like "wtf replaced wrong" |
| 19:08.29 | Cide | yeah |
| 19:20.18 | nicoli_s | what are you working on lua for shirik? |
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| 19:24.23 | Shirik | nicoli_s: ? |
| 19:29.34 | cogwheel | Lunessa:station::Ackis:______ |
| 19:29.55 | Ackis | aren't you banned cogwheel? |
| 19:30.13 | cogwheel | in your fantasies |
| 19:30.23 | Ackis | no you're naked there |
| 19:30.39 | cogwheel | banned from clothing |
| 19:40.33 | amro | anyone up for sc2? |
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| 19:48.36 | zenzelezz | <cogwheel> Lunessa:station::Ackis:______ <--- is it bad that I saw this and thought it was some sort of name mangling? |
| 19:48.44 | cogwheel | haha |
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| 19:57.13 | Dagmar | Doesn't that imply that one of those parties has mounted the other? |
| 19:57.34 | Dagmar | ...or should there be _spaces around the colon separators_ |
| 19:58.35 | Shirik | well |
| 19:58.42 | Shirik | it implies that Lunessa owns Ackis |
| 19:58.54 | Shirik | but in such a case, Ackis has access to all of Lunessa's privates |
| 19:59.12 | amro | such a dirty mind and yet you didn't jump on the other meaning of mounted? |
| 19:59.50 | Napoleone | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:00.11 | Cide | www.wowprogramming.com |
| 20:00.22 | Napoleone | where shall i look in the book then |
| 20:00.45 | amro | try the index |
| 20:00.53 | Napoleone | no scrollchild there |
| 20:01.46 | Cide | I think you just create a frame and :SetScrollChild |
| 20:01.46 | Napoleone | i'm not using xml |
| 20:01.53 | cogwheel | !api scrollchild |
| 20:01.53 | lua_bot | Found 3 possible results for 'scrollchild': ScrollFrame:GetScrollChild, ScrollFrame:SetScrollChild, ScrollFrame:UpdateScrollChildRect |
| 20:01.59 | Cide | who said you were? |
| 20:02.27 | cogwheel | !api SetScrollChild |
| 20:02.27 | lua_bot | ScrollFrame:SetScrollChild: Sets the scroll child for the scroll frame (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/ScrollFrame/SetScrollChild) |
| 20:02.39 | Cide | stop fishing for them cogwheel |
| 20:02.45 | Cide | did you have a change of heart? |
| 20:02.52 | cogwheel | pointing to info isn't giving fish |
| 20:02.57 | Cide | yes it is |
| 20:03.02 | cogwheel | i may be handing him a line and some bait |
| 20:03.03 | Cide | pointing to specific info is giving fish |
| 20:03.04 | cogwheel | but still |
| 20:03.29 | Cide | pointing to the domain is enough with "(22:01:45) Cide: I think you just create a frame and :SetScrollChild" imo! |
| 20:03.38 | Cide | you have turned weak |
| 20:03.49 | Napoleone | , this operation cannot be performed while in combat. does that mean in combat there can be no chat in these then? |
| 20:03.51 | cogwheel | nah i just didn't think you were important enough to read my scrollback |
| 20:03.53 | cogwheel | BURN! |
| 20:04.07 | Cide | my god |
| 20:06.47 | Shirik | hm |
| 20:07.13 | Shirik | ~wiki Lewisburg,_PA_µSA |
| 20:07.20 | Shirik | ok well you're lying |
| 20:07.34 | Shirik | but seriously wtf |
| 20:07.50 | Cide | encoding fail |
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| 20:15.21 | Slackwise | wtf... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9n4-oVOKoLY |
| 20:16.02 | Mikk | haha nice double encoding |
| 20:19.08 | cogwheel | ~hug Cairenn |
| 20:19.08 | purl | ACTION gets a running start and tackle-hugs Cairenn |
| 20:19.16 | Cairenn | hugs cogwheel |
| 20:19.19 | cogwheel | pizzas Slackwise |
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| 20:30.43 | Arrowmaster | Slackwise: did you click on the fire at 1:47? |
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| 20:59.42 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 20:59.45 | Fisker | i hate you |
| 20:59.58 | TC-Work | the implementation of raid arrays needs to be updated |
| 21:00.00 | TC-Work | this is garbage |
| 21:02.23 | haste | TC-Work: ha? |
| 21:03.50 | TC-Work | haste: huh? |
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| 21:08.14 | haste | 2256.15| TC-Work | the implementation of raid arrays needs to be updated |
| 21:08.31 | TC-Work | haste: what does 'ha' mean? |
| 21:08.35 | TC-Work | in this case |
| 21:08.36 | haste | huh |
| 21:08.46 | Fisker | hey haste |
| 21:08.49 | haste | no Fisker |
| 21:09.07 | TC-Work | usually 'ha' is amusement, but it's not usually followed by a '?' |
| 21:09.12 | Arrowmaster | oh japan.... http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/112/1121588p1.html |
| 21:09.30 | Fisker | why not haste? :( |
| 21:10.00 | haste | no, that's hah! |
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| 21:21.40 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: do you have it pre-ordered? |
| 21:21.55 | Arrowmaster | no..... |
| 21:22.17 | Arrowmaster | it will likely never see a release outside of japan anyway |
| 21:22.17 | foxlit | gr, Trade chat. |
| 21:22.28 | foxlit | Why aren't there two-hour bans being handed out for patching a regex yet? |
| 21:22.32 | Ackis | buy a japanese console then you can import it! |
| 21:22.42 | Ackis | foxlit: what's broken? |
| 21:22.56 | foxlit | s/patching/matching/ |
| 21:23.12 | Ackis | ah |
| 21:23.32 | Ackis | things like anal chucknorris murloc warglaives? |
| 21:23.39 | foxlit | Also, "[Iphoneowner]: Level 80 Night Elf Warrior" |
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| 21:24.43 | foxlit | Ackis: precisely |
| 21:24.53 | amro | I think bans should be handed out simply for being a night elf |
| 21:25.19 | foxlit | shush you, can't roll a worgen druid yet |
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| 21:26.01 | amro | you can roll a tauren one |
| 21:26.41 | foxlit | yes, but horde fail |
| 21:26.52 | Ackis | NO U |
| 21:27.00 | Ackis | cogwheel fails more than tauren |
| 21:27.03 | cogwheel | Arrowmaster: what is this i don't even |
| 21:27.12 | TC-Work | haste: short sharp bark of amusement is still amusement. |
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| 21:29.27 | foxlit | This is kind of meh -- I'm copying a file from a laptop to a desktop a meter away, and it progresses at about the rate of 1 MB / 4 seconds. |
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| 21:30.53 | foxlit | also, wru, failover? |
| 21:38.25 | Cide | lua> 2^15*10/3600 |
| 21:38.26 | lua_bot | Cide: 91.022222222222 |
| 21:38.32 | Cide | 2^7*10/3600 |
| 21:38.39 | Cide | lua> 2^7*10/3600 |
| 21:38.39 | lua_bot | Cide: 0.35555555555556 |
| 21:46.48 | amro | Cide: l2use python prompt |
| 21:47.24 | Cide | I was lazy |
| 21:47.32 | Cide | python requires two chars for exponentiation |
| 21:47.57 | amro | luabot requires lua> |
| 21:48.09 | Cide | but python requires converting to floats |
| 21:49.08 | Cide | lua> #("lua> 2^15*10/3600"), #("python -c '2**15*10/3600.0'") |
| 21:49.08 | lua_bot | Cide: 17, 27 |
| 21:50.03 | amro | oO is that an arbitrary exec? |
| 21:50.34 | Cide | it compiles the python script and executes it? |
| 21:50.47 | amro | I mean this |
| 21:50.50 | amro | python -c |
| 21:51.04 | Cide | that compiles the string as a python command and executes it, yes |
| 21:51.26 | Cide | I even need a print in there |
| 21:51.36 | Cide | python -c 'print 2**15*10/3600.0' |
| 21:52.03 | amro | I mean is that limited to python or can you invoke an arbitrary command there? |
| 21:52.13 | Cide | that's limited to python obviously |
| 21:52.27 | Cide | python -c 'foo' is akin to python; >> foo |
| 21:52.36 | foxlit | surely python has a bitwise shift? |
| 21:53.05 | Cide | >> is the interpreter symbol for "type text here for evaluation" |
| 21:53.15 | Cide | >>> actually |
| 21:53.40 | Cide | but yes, >> is shift right |
| 21:54.08 | Cide | hi Shirik |
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| 21:55.02 | amro | die shirik |
| 21:55.06 | amro | worms? |
| 21:55.20 | Cide | I'll join in 15 |
| 21:55.33 | foxlit | I wonder -- is there any area where alliance actually won in cataclysm? |
| 21:55.53 | amro | gnomeregan. |
| 21:56.04 | foxlit | against horde :) |
| 21:56.19 | TC-Work | why do you people never ask for worms when i am at home! |
| 21:56.26 | Cide | because you're at home |
| 21:57.13 | Cide | hmm |
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| 21:57.36 | Cide | parsing 9-bit segments with only byte access |
| 21:57.42 | Cide | is that as much a pain as it seems to be? |
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| 21:58.44 | foxlit | yes, no, maybe |
| 21:59.05 | Fisker | slaps foxlit around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:59.08 | Fisker | slaps Cide around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:59.10 | amro | I don't know |
| 21:59.11 | foxlit | macro it, not too bad. |
| 21:59.13 | amro | can you repeat the question? |
| 21:59.33 | Fisker | slaps amro around a bit with a large trout |
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| 21:59.51 | amro | I'm firebombing this channel if nobody got that |
| 21:59.59 | foxlit | You'll always have to read two bytes, just have to get the shifts right. Not too bad. |
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| 22:01.06 | Cide | yeah |
| 22:01.10 | Cide | worms in 18 |
| 22:01.36 | amro | you're going up |
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| 22:03.30 | amro | firebombs the channel |
| 22:05.03 | foxlit | gr. |
| 22:05.09 | foxlit | I'm stuck on eastern kingdoms |
| 22:05.22 | foxlit | Boats crash out, and the dark portal is not actually porting me |
| 22:05.40 | foxlit | Teleport: Moonglade fails silently, just like a hearthstone |
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| 22:07.01 | TC-Work | foxlit: either queue dungeon/bg or find a port |
| 22:07.08 | TC-Work | queue* |
| 22:07.27 | TC-Work | huh, something seems wrong there |
| 22:08.05 | foxlit | It's beta, who knows what broke. |
| 22:08.24 | Dagmar | Cide: Probably more annoying than you even thought at first |
| 22:08.38 | foxlit | Can't queue for any dungeons -- "have not completed the required quest"; but let's see what battlegrounds do |
| 22:10.50 | foxlit | And accepting a battleground port ported me to a graveyard |
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| 22:24.06 | Cide | hi amro |
| 22:24.19 | amro | hi Cide |
| 22:24.32 | Cide | are you ready? |
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| 22:25.11 | amro | yes |
| 22:25.13 | amro | I am |
| 22:25.20 | amro | get on mumble, ill brt |
| 22:26.10 | cogwheel | bleeter: now i have more than 2x as many subscribers since my last video... guess i owe you guys a new one |
| 22:26.52 | Cide | I'll tear you a new one |
| 22:27.44 | Kalroth | hot |
| 22:30.16 | DWSR | cogwheel: Is this for your SC2 cast? |
| 22:30.20 | cogwheel | ya |
| 22:30.34 | DWSR | What race do you play the most? |
| 22:30.39 | cogwheel | and by "more than 2x" i mean from 4 to 9 |
| 22:30.49 | cogwheel | Z |
| 22:30.50 | Cide | keep it as percentages |
| 22:30.54 | Cide | looks better that way! |
| 22:30.57 | cogwheel | idd |
| 22:31.17 | cogwheel | DWSR: though i'm considering doing random soon if i start not failing so much :P |
| 22:31.19 | DWSR | cogwheel: I'd volunteer to do some P strats and so forth |
| 22:31.41 | DWSR | cogwheel: Also, we can do 2s for synergy strats. |
| 22:32.13 | DWSR | I'm shit, btw. |
| 22:32.36 | cogwheel | nuh uh! we steamrolled 2/3 of our 2s the other day :P |
| 22:33.38 | DWSR | Yeah, because those people were even worse. |
| 22:33.47 | DWSR | Have you seen my mothership replay on sc2replayed? |
| 22:33.56 | cogwheel | nope... linky? |
| 22:34.37 | DWSR | sec |
| 22:34.42 | cogwheel | pvp on steppes? |
| 22:35.09 | amro | motherships guarantee lols |
| 22:35.13 | DWSR | yes |
| 22:35.14 | DWSR | http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/71492-1v1-protoss-steppes-of-war |
| 22:35.22 | DWSR | amro: The lols were because of how badly the other person played. |
| 22:35.27 | DWSR | There are SERIOUS lols in that video. |
| 22:35.30 | amro | exactly |
| 22:35.36 | amro | if you win with a mothership |
| 22:35.39 | amro | there's lols to be had |
| 22:36.09 | DWSR | I didn't just win. |
| 22:36.11 | DWSR | I insulted him. |
| 22:36.18 | cbreak | "This site requires that you have JavaScript enabled." Lame. |
| 22:36.28 | cogwheel | not using javascript... lamer |
| 22:36.36 | cogwheel | :P |
| 22:36.42 | amro | ^ |
| 22:36.45 | cbreak | 90% of all browser exploits rely on java script |
| 22:36.51 | cogwheel | no flash |
| 22:36.54 | amro | don't use a shitty browser |
| 22:36.59 | cbreak | flash is not a browser exploit |
| 22:37.05 | cogwheel | trolls |
| 22:37.06 | cbreak | flash really deserves it's own category |
| 22:37.35 | nevcairiel | you're so 1999, when disabling javascript was still "in" |
| 22:37.39 | DWSR | Your mom deserves it's own category. |
| 22:38.29 | cbreak | disabling java script might not be in, but it has tangible security benefits |
| 22:38.35 | cogwheel | DWSR: if you have any of your games that qualify as Learn From My Fail i'd be happy to make fun of you too. ;) Don't know how long i'll be able to do Z exclusively before people start complaining... |
| 22:38.40 | cbreak | on all browsers that actually support java script |
| 22:38.51 | DWSR | cogwheel: Yeah, I'll start saving some of my replays. |
| 22:38.55 | DWSR | What are you looking for exactly? |
| 22:38.59 | DWSR | Do I have to lose? |
| 22:39.00 | cogwheel | tho the demand for Z help is certainly higher than other races |
| 22:39.14 | amro | cbreak: maybe, but don't call lame on websites that transitioned into the 21st century |
| 22:39.31 | cbreak | a page that can't even be viewed without java script IS lame |
| 22:39.32 | cogwheel | DWSR: not in the end. but you should make some bad decisions that end up costing you in some way |
| 22:39.40 | cbreak | I can accept that interactivity requires scripting |
| 22:39.42 | DWSR | Oh, cool. |
| 22:39.47 | cbreak | but simply getting a static view? |
| 22:40.01 | DWSR | cbreak: Graceful fallback is development intensive. |
| 22:40.23 | cbreak | DWSR: not as much as your mom? |
| 22:40.31 | DWSR | No, not as much |
| 22:40.42 | cbreak | I don't get the humor in that mom stuff |
| 22:40.53 | Kalroth | Just like your mom |
| 22:40.55 | NightHawkTheSane | cbreak: it depends on the purpose of the page, really. Sure, a page that's just serving up (mostly) static content should degrade gracefully, but a highly-interactive control panel need not. |
| 22:41.37 | cbreak | a page that simply offers downloading of replays classifies as mostly static in my book... |
| 22:41.48 | NightHawkTheSane | I'm not disagreeing ;) |
| 22:41.51 | Kalroth | There are multiple reasons for wanting javascript, not just the page interface |
| 22:42.04 | cbreak | yeah. One of the biggest is advertisement |
| 22:42.07 | nevcairiel | Kalroth: most of those are bad |
| 22:42.08 | cbreak | user tracking |
| 22:42.23 | cbreak | and exploiting security holes, if the user of the java script is not the site owner |
| 22:42.25 | Kalroth | sure, the site makes money from those |
| 22:42.43 | Kalroth | why should it spend time on developing pages from people disabling javascript? |
| 22:43.15 | Kalroth | for people* |
| 22:43.30 | cbreak | why not? |
| 22:43.42 | cbreak | adding java script to a simple page costs more, not less |
| 22:43.57 | Kalroth | not if the javascript is also needed for advertising and statistics |
| 22:44.31 | nevcairiel | If the absence of javascript only disabled your tracking, and you're a dick and don't display the whole page in that case, well, you deserve to be called lame |
| 22:44.47 | Kalroth | well there's more than tracking/advertising |
| 22:44.56 | Kalroth | there's antileech, antilinking, etc. |
| 22:45.05 | cbreak | antilinking? |
| 22:45.08 | cbreak | antileech? |
| 22:45.11 | cbreak | what the hell is that? |
| 22:45.12 | Kalroth | deep linking |
| 22:45.18 | Kalroth | go google it :) |
| 22:45.45 | cbreak | I don't think it's important, since both start with "anti" |
| 22:45.47 | nevcairiel | you can do that with a smarter web server |
| 22:46.09 | nevcairiel | server side checking is always better anyway |
| 22:46.18 | Kalroth | how do you prevent deep linking with a web server (and no authentication! :) |
| 22:46.29 | nevcairiel | refererer |
| 22:46.31 | cbreak | you can't prevent deep linking |
| 22:46.32 | nevcairiel | -er |
| 22:46.46 | Kalroth | sure you can, make the content require javascript |
| 22:46.55 | cbreak | at least not if the URLs are stored on servers outside your control |
| 22:47.02 | Kalroth | how are you going to deep link to a JSON file? |
| 22:47.15 | cbreak | any file that has an URL can be linked to |
| 22:47.16 | nevcairiel | very carefully, of course |
| 22:47.30 | Kalroth | sure, but it'll be nearly useless by it self |
| 22:48.45 | Kalroth | consider one of Blizzards pages; the plain xml is rather useless, but with the formatting from xsl it turns into a pretty page |
| 22:49.06 | cbreak | xml is only useless for humans |
| 22:49.33 | Kalroth | yes, it was an example of how you can seperate content and display |
| 22:49.40 | Kalroth | which you can do with javascript too |
| 22:50.03 | nevcairiel | If someone uses javascript to obfuscate his content, he deserves to be shot |
| 22:50.38 | Kalroth | not obfuscate, simply make sure that people can't easily link directly to it |
| 22:50.40 | cbreak | he'll be ignored by the most important javascript less internet user: Google Bot |
| 22:50.59 | Kalroth | no, there's ways around that |
| 22:51.01 | nevcairiel | You know how they crack captchas now? They offer you a service that has hundreds of chinese people sitting there and reading them. You think that would stop them? :p |
| 22:51.19 | cbreak | there are cooler ways to break captchas |
| 22:51.42 | cbreak | Just make a free porn site with the stuff you find on your HD, and ask users to solve captchas to see it |
| 22:51.53 | Kalroth | captchas has been broken since day 1 by porn addicts, not chinese people :) |
| 22:51.55 | Kalroth | yeah |
| 22:52.57 | nevcairiel | Anyhow, you don't need javascript to protect you from deep linking |
| 22:53.07 | nevcairiel | especially when you're talking content pages, not assets |
| 22:53.17 | Kalroth | nope, but it's one way to avoid it |
| 22:53.24 | nevcairiel | its a dumb and lazy way |
| 22:53.31 | nevcairiel | and blocks real users |
| 22:53.45 | cbreak | it won't work for things like images or other media |
| 22:53.51 | Kalroth | it's only dumb for non-javascript users (that refuse to enable javascript for your site) |
| 22:54.03 | Kalroth | cbreak: orly? |
| 22:54.31 | cbreak | I can deep link to as many images on your site as I want, because java script can not yet be reasonably embedded into them |
| 22:54.32 | cbreak | so |
| 22:54.33 | nevcairiel | server side solutions will always work, and you can't circumvent them by usign a javascript interpreter |
| 22:54.35 | cbreak | yarly? |
| 22:55.12 | Kalroth | I'm not talking about the perfect solution where it protects your content against one or more hostile people |
| 22:55.31 | cbreak | if you don't want to protect it against hostile people... |
| 22:55.32 | Kalroth | But it makes it a lot harder and nearly impossible for regular users to do it |
| 22:55.52 | cbreak | oh, you want to protect against regular users... :) |
| 22:55.58 | Kalroth | no, a person with javascript disable isn't a hostile user |
| 22:56.06 | nevcairiel | You know, i have this library for java web applications, you basically just load it, and it protects all links against deep linking |
| 22:56.06 | Kalroth | he's just an overly paranoid visitor :) |
| 22:56.15 | nevcairiel | of course you should set an exception for your entry page |
| 22:56.20 | nevcairiel | but voila, 10 minutes, and its done |
| 22:56.22 | cbreak | you're not paranoid if they really are after you. |
| 22:56.25 | Kalroth | nevcairiel: sure |
| 22:56.27 | nevcairiel | how long do you integrate a javascript thing? :p |
| 22:56.55 | amro | nevcairiel: worms? |
| 22:56.56 | Kalroth | nevcairiel: that depends on the page really, but it takes 1 line of code to load external content and push it into a div tag |
| 22:57.10 | nevcairiel | amro: sure |
| 22:57.51 | amro | nevcairiel: ill invite once I'm done murdering my own team |
| 22:58.02 | nevcairiel | still starging steam anyway |
| 22:58.13 | nevcairiel | starting* |
| 22:58.15 | TC-Work | i starg steam all the time! |
| 22:58.18 | TC-Work | damn |
| 22:58.33 | nevcairiel | is that even a word? |
| 22:58.51 | TC-Work | nope |
| 22:59.03 | TC-Work | at least not one in english that i know of |
| 23:02.59 | foxlit | how is it that people are posting feedback on an unreleased beta build? |
| 23:03.08 | nevcairiel | ptr? |
| 23:03.12 | foxlit | ptr. |
| 23:03.14 | nevcairiel | i heard they got the patch |
| 23:03.19 | nevcairiel | while beta didnt |
| 23:03.21 | foxlit | gr! |
| 23:09.51 | amro | TC-Work: it's starge |
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| 23:14.59 | NightHawkTheSane | it's taken my coworker all day to finish the task of componentizing an html/js widget into it's own set of templates/files for later use. wtf... it's like a couple hour job at most. |
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| 23:17.17 | Amarande | fffffuuuuuuuuuuuuu |
| 23:17.30 | Amarande | I don't think I've ever seen four people desert a dungeon that fast before |
| 23:18.19 | Amarande | 12 minutes to get in, less than 30 seconds before everyone quit |
| 23:19.38 | Amarande | 3 years of WoW ... and I don't think I've EVER seen a dungeon group disintegrate that fast. |
| 23:20.07 | cogwheel | Amarande: pre-80? |
| 23:20.24 | cogwheel | or occulus? :> |
| 23:21.36 | DWSR | Amarande: I've seen people quit a group before everyone has zoned in. |
| 23:21.43 | DWSR | I've done it. |
| 23:21.49 | DWSR | When I see healers in greens |
| 23:23.29 | Mikk | 50/50 for someone to instaleave occu |
| 23:26.52 | nevcairiel | why do people hate occulus so much |
| 23:26.57 | nevcairiel | its fast and plenty badges |
| 23:27.12 | amro | because they don't know how to check if they're in combat before dismounting |
| 23:27.17 | foxlit | nevcairiel: because oh noes there are new buttons to push! and I is so lost in the air! |
| 23:27.24 | Mikk | and of course |
| 23:27.28 | Mikk | some people just hate vehicles |
| 23:27.38 | amro | occulus vehicles do fail |
| 23:27.42 | foxlit | I don't consider hating vehicles a valid viewpoint |
| 23:28.10 | nevcairiel | i left HoR before when i saw a tank with really no gear to speak off |
| 23:28.13 | foxlit | I mean, you're welcome to do that, but I'd question your competence if you do. |
| 23:28.21 | nevcairiel | but thats about the only situation |
| 23:28.25 | amro | now that's not a valid conclusion |
| 23:28.42 | amro | you can hate something even if you're good at it |
| 23:28.49 | orofar | i'm currently leaving instantly when it's not oculus |
| 23:29.09 | orofar | getting oculus being the only way of getting the blue drake |
| 23:29.22 | foxlit | drops from 10man maly? |
| 23:29.27 | orofar | not any more |
| 23:29.29 | Amarande | cogwheel: oculus. |
| 23:29.41 | orofar | they made 10man maly drop azure to |
| 23:29.54 | cog|away | flexes his inductive reasoning skillz |
| 23:29.58 | Amarande | quite irritating, since Oc is one of the few heroics I actually NEED to do still |
| 23:30.03 | DWSR | orofar: I leave it when it /is/ Oculus. |
| 23:30.06 | DWSR | Such a shit instance. |
| 23:30.07 | Amarande | I still have three cheeves I need to get done there. |
| 23:30.15 | orofar | it's really fast actually |
| 23:30.16 | Mikk | aha, dwsr is one of the cocks |
| 23:30.26 | nevcairiel | i hate people that want to do achievements in there |
| 23:30.36 | nevcairiel | it complicates a nice and fast run |
| 23:30.39 | DWSR | Mikk: Yeah, sorry. I'm the tank. |
| 23:30.50 | orofar | can do it in 10mins, due to pulling the trash in the middle 2 packs at a time |
| 23:30.54 | DWSR | I get to be picky because my queue is never short. |
| 23:30.57 | DWSR | err, never long. |
| 23:31.06 | foxlit | Your 30 minute debuff compensates. |
| 23:31.16 | Amarande | and if I want to get this done in two runs, apparently I need to convince tonight's group to do amber void. |
| 23:31.31 | DWSR | foxlit: Yeah, so does getting a guild group together and smashing heroics. |
| 23:31.43 | nevcairiel | you want achievements, get a group of friends, dont try to abuse the pug |
| 23:31.46 | DWSR | I never run randoms anymore unless I have a healer or tank friend with me (in case I DPS). |
| 23:31.53 | DWSR | nevcairiel: Some achievements are actually easier than doing it the normal way. |
| 23:31.59 | amro | then your point is irrelevant |
| 23:32.59 | DWSR | the only achievements that I would really not bother a pug with would be things like Less-Rabi, Zombiefest, Galdarah's achievement, etc/ |
| 23:33.08 | DWSR | The ones where you extend the boss fight past the usual 30 seconds or so. |
| 23:34.53 | foxlit | "DWSR: foxlit: Yeah, so does getting a guild group together and smashing heroics." |
| 23:35.13 | foxlit | I guess our experiences do not intersect. |
| 23:35.37 | foxlit | When I care about doing heroics, I primarily do a single random per day -- it's the frost, not triumph badges that are useful. |
| 23:35.48 | DWSR | foxlit: heirlooms, gearing alts. |
| 23:35.50 | DWSR | I do it for lulz. |
| 23:35.54 | DWSR | We did it with 5 healer toons once. |
| 23:36.03 | foxlit | And, generally, random groups work well. |
| 23:36.12 | foxlit | Idiots sometimes leave, but hey, replaced in seconds. |
| 23:36.39 | orofar | only average random dps is around 2k, below any decently geared tank |
| 23:37.11 | DWSR | orofar: DPS in my groups never does more damage than I am. |
| 23:37.20 | Amarande | DWSR: yeah, the Gundrak cheeves are MEAN with a pug |
| 23:37.29 | Amarande | not to mention Share the Love requires a non-normal group |
| 23:37.36 | DWSR | No it doesn't. |
| 23:37.38 | DWSR | Scrub. |
| 23:37.48 | Amarande | DWSR: well, it at least requires two people capable of tanking Gal, and Gal hits like a TRUCK |
| 23:38.04 | Amarande | since apparently, Gal WILL NOT impale the person he has aggro on |
| 23:38.04 | DWSR | Amarande: : no he doesn't. |
| 23:38.08 | DWSR | He doesn't. |
| 23:38.15 | DWSR | He hits like wet paper. |
| 23:38.17 | Amarande | therefore, you *have* to swap tanks at one point to get everyone. |
| 23:38.22 | DWSR | Just get d capped. PvP gear lulz. |
| 23:38.59 | Amarande | Less-Rabi is just a pain in the ass, even 80ms lag can be too much |
| 23:39.28 | Amarande | I'm finding it somewhat difficult to figure out the precise timing on his transformations, however, it DOES appear that the transformation cast time is based on his HP *at the time of cast* and is NOT tied to how many times he's cast it |
| 23:39.32 | DWSR | Amarande: Shaman spec'ed for reduced shock CD. |
| 23:39.39 | DWSR | Pop BL, gg. |
| 23:39.50 | DWSR | It's 6 second CD. |
| 23:39.56 | Amarande | DWSR: we had three interrupters and still didn't get it, because the 2nd transform was at just the right time that even normal latency was too much |
| 23:40.28 | DWSR | That's how I did it. |
| 23:40.32 | DWSR | We cheesed it. Only needed the shaman,. |
| 23:40.38 | DWSR | Hardcore burn DPS as well. |
| 23:40.58 | DWSR | We hit him with like 15k or so. Just let the shaman interrupt without worrying about DPS. |
| 23:41.04 | DWSR | He just melts at that point. |
| 23:41.19 | Amarande | I think we had just the bad luck in terms of amount of DPS that he had a near-instant transform that would practically have needed bot reflexes to get. |
| 23:41.23 | Amarande | That one does seem to require a bit of luck in that regard. |
| 23:41.39 | DWSR | Amarande: Yes, that's why you get the shaman with reduced shock CDs. |
| 23:41.46 | DWSR | It matches perfectly. |
| 23:41.59 | DWSR | The only thing that really screws you is getting quaked right as he transforms. |
| 23:42.02 | DWSR | It still requires some RNG. |
| 23:42.07 | DWSR | but it's not /that/ bad. |
| 23:42.26 | Amarande | DWSR: like I said, wasn't even to do with the CDs, because we had 3 people with instant interrupts, so *someone* had one off CD at any given moment |
| 23:42.37 | Amarande | The first transform was at normal cast speed and was interrupted pro |
| 23:42.43 | DWSR | Amarande: Yes, you're missing the point though. |
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| 23:43.05 | DWSR | Reduced CD with the shaman talent makes his CD the /exact/ cooldown of the bosses transform. |
| 23:43.16 | DWSR | Meaning that the shaman can hit the spell exactly on cooldown and always get the interrupt off. |
| 23:43.28 | DWSR | Meaning that, if all he's doing is spamming the crap out of his interrupt key, you win. |
| 23:43.28 | Amarande | Yeah, that's a neat trick. |
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| 23:43.47 | DWSR | It's not hard, it requires a bit of good luck or a stupidly geared group. |
| 23:43.49 | nevcairiel | assuming he hit the first one |
| 23:43.53 | DWSR | 4 arcane mages is pretty awesome. |
| 23:43.56 | DWSR | WEE 80k DPS. |
| 23:44.02 | DWSR | Boss dies in like 3 seconds. |
| 23:44.16 | DWSR | Doesn't even get the transform cast of the first tie. |
| 23:44.23 | DWSR | s/tie/time/ |
| 23:44.55 | Amarande | DWSR: lemme guess, this is also the sort of fight where the large packet damage of casters actually benefits |
| 23:45.11 | DWSR | Amarande: The arcane mages have a bunch of CDs to pop for instant burst. |
| 23:45.14 | Amarande | while DoT casters and melee will probably massively increase the risk of you getting screwed over no matter how good your interrupters (barring that twinked up shaman) |
| 23:45.22 | DWSR | If they're all ICC geared, they can do 10k DPS sustained. |
| 23:45.23 | nevcairiel | amro: i'll watch some movie or so, getting kinda tired anyway |
| 23:45.29 | DWSR | Meaning that their burst is probably closer to 15 or 18k. |
| 23:45.35 | DWSR | Add BL or something to that, wham splat. |
| 23:45.39 | DWSR | Boss dies before you can blink. |
| 23:45.51 | DWSR | 3 arcane mages and a demo lock is pretty stacked. |
| 23:45.59 | DWSR | Demon form + SP buff == WWEEEEEE |
| 23:46.00 | Amarande | Simply because DoT casters and melee do continuous small packet damage, while burst casters can take the boss straight down in a spike? |
| 23:46.11 | Amarande | Ahh, now I remember the good old days of Eurospike in GW. |
| 23:46.23 | Amarande | Those teams were BASTARDS to fight. |
| 23:46.46 | Amarande | Usually full mesmer/something else teams (since mesmer damage spells basically all ignore armor entirely) |
| 23:47.01 | DWSR | Melee have some burst as well. |
| 23:47.03 | Amarande | they'd all have a spell that, when cast together by everyone, was enough to take anyone out |
| 23:47.13 | DWSR | Anyway, I'm out. Later. |
| 23:47.16 | Amarande | and they'd use vent to all hit their cast at the exact same time :) |
| 23:52.04 | Amarande | soooo |
| 23:52.11 | Amarande | what does the executioner enchant do in 4.0, anyways? :) |
| 23:54.26 | amro | executionate |
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