| 00:00.00 | Flowy | what is pro for using AceGUI? |
| 00:00.55 | Xinhuan | its almost always used for all the addon options you see in the ESC-->Interface |
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| 00:07.15 | Legorol | Do I understand this correctly: I can stockpile Triumph emblems now (up to the forthcoming cap), let it be converted to Justice Points with 4.0.1, then spend those Justice Points on L85 loot? |
| 00:07.22 | Legorol | i.e. I can already save up for L85 stuff now? |
| 00:07.59 | Amarande | Legorol: I have a feeling that 85 loot is going to use a different set of points |
| 00:08.05 | Amarande | like how 70 and 80 loot used different badges :S |
| 00:09.34 | Legorol | Amarande: no they won't, that's already been announced |
| 00:09.43 | Legorol | L85 loot will stick to just one terminology |
| 00:09.57 | Legorol | two tiers of loot, same name throughout the whole expansion, with points decay/downgrading |
| 00:10.05 | Jerub | Legorol: aiui, yes, that is precisely correct. |
| 00:10.07 | Xyphoid | i get the impression you'll be able to do that, and maybe get one piece of gear |
| 00:10.08 | Jerub | stockpile triumphs. |
| 00:10.11 | Torhal | Xinhuan: I'm half tempted to add a "New Users" disclaimer to the top of the AceGUI page, since almost every novice AddOn author thinks AceGUI is what they need to use to make a display. |
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| 00:10.23 | Legorol | Xyphoid: indeed, depends on how pricey stuff will be |
| 00:10.28 | Jerub | Xyphoid: one piece of gear that's better than a drop from H25LK isn't to be scoffed at :P |
| 00:10.35 | Xinhuan | hehe |
| 00:10.39 | Xyphoid | since i get the impression that justice points will end up similarly scaled to honor points |
| 00:10.46 | Jerub | i've gotta stop spending badges. |
| 00:10.59 | Amarande | I've pretty much stopped farming badges lately :S |
| 00:11.02 | Xyphoid | i don't think stockpiling 1000 badges for something you could get for 1 heroic run at 85 is worth it |
| 00:11.08 | Amarande | mainly because, well |
| 00:11.14 | Amarande | have they fixed the ratio by which badges convert to JPs yet? |
| 00:11.16 | Legorol | Xyphoid: agreed, depends on the prices |
| 00:11.19 | Legorol | yes Amarande |
| 00:11.29 | Jerub | gold spammer |
| 00:11.29 | Jerub | http://twitter.com/ljjm1 |
| 00:11.31 | Jerub | ON TWITTER |
| 00:11.32 | Amarande | Legorol: ah. then maybe it's better then |
| 00:11.38 | Amarande | when I first looked at PTR I was getting like 1 JP per badge |
| 00:11.39 | Xyphoid | i mean, you can stockpile money now and buy BOEs at 85 |
| 00:11.41 | Legorol | Amarande: badges, heroism/valor/conquest all convert to gold |
| 00:11.46 | Xyphoid | all much of a muchness |
| 00:11.49 | Amarande | er, I mean per triumph/frost |
| 00:11.50 | Legorol | triumph and frost converts to Justice Points at 2.75:1 rate |
| 00:11.59 | Jerub | and frost=triumph |
| 00:12.02 | Amarande | Legorol: that means it's a terrible thing to stockpile badges, then |
| 00:12.03 | Jerub | for JP conversion |
| 00:12.04 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Justice_Point#Conversion_of_Emblems_to_Justice_Points |
| 00:12.13 | Legorol | Amarande: i mean, 1 emblem gets you 2.75 points |
| 00:12.14 | kd3 | conversion ratios as they stand when tehy were announced |
| 00:12.18 | Legorol | so you can stockpile 1454 emblems |
| 00:12.21 | Amarande | Legorol: because the price conversion sucks |
| 00:12.32 | Legorol | that depends on what you can buy for 4k Justice |
| 00:12.33 | Amarande | and I'm presuming we're getting way more than 2.75 points per fresh heroic boss kill after 4.0? |
| 00:12.40 | Legorol | for all we know 4k justice is a full set of gear (although unlikely) |
| 00:12.48 | kd3 | who knows? heroics just (today) opened up on beta |
| 00:12.50 | Jerub | Amarande: 4.5. maths is hard. |
| 00:13.03 | Amarande | Jerub: which means that it's going to SUCK HARD to have badges before 4.0. |
| 00:13.15 | kd3 | or... they don't have all of the numbers adjusted yet |
| 00:13.18 | Amarande | because they're going to actually be worth about half what they used to be, and stuff is way more costly |
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| 00:13.25 | kd3 | the sky isn't falling. stop freaking out |
| 00:13.32 | Amarande | I'm looking at for instance 239 justice for a crusader orb, which currently costs 15 triumph |
| 00:14.10 | Xinhuan | yuo're supposed to buy them now |
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| 00:14.14 | Xinhuan | before 4.0 |
| 00:14.19 | Amarande | kd3: no, the sky isn't falling, just badges we get now appear to be such that they're going to be worth about one-fifth of a current badge when 4.0 hits |
| 00:14.29 | kd3 | so... use them now? before 4.0? |
| 00:14.37 | Xinhuan | the super reduced prices are to account for the fact that when u hit 85, they are very easy to obtain |
| 00:14.41 | Xinhuan | and thus is only worth 1/5 value |
| 00:14.52 | Jerub | Amarande: i love how you find the QQ in every situation. |
| 00:15.09 | Amarande | Jerub: actually, I spent most of my badges already. :) |
| 00:15.16 | Xinhuan | well at least i'm guessing that's the rationale anyway |
| 00:15.17 | Jerub | Amarande: but work it the other way, with one currency you can buy L85 gear. with another currency you have a bigger wang and can buy bling bling that you already have the cash for. |
| 00:15.34 | Legorol | Are the prices of L85 loot known yet? |
| 00:15.39 | Jerub | and you're saying that the former will suck hard, and the latter is more viable. |
| 00:15.46 | Amarande | But I can imagine the feeling that players not keeping abreast of the PTR/beta are going to have when the patch hits and they find the badges they were saving are suddenly deflated like a popped balloon :) |
| 00:15.53 | Jerub | Amarande: in short. shut up and think before you let the tears run down your puffy face. |
| 00:16.00 | Legorol | i agree with Amarande |
| 00:16.13 | Wobin | so, do we spend our badges before 4.0? |
| 00:16.18 | Legorol | you can't expect people to keep up with beta/ptr, and if you deflate their emblems to 20% of its value, that's harsh |
| 00:16.19 | Jerub | Wobin: why? |
| 00:16.28 | Wobin | I don't know, I'm asking =) |
| 00:16.40 | Legorol | Wobin: that depends on what you can buy at L85 with 4K JP |
| 00:16.43 | Jerub | Wobin: you can convert triumph to gold or JP. |
| 00:16.45 | Jerub | Wobin: pick one. :P |
| 00:16.49 | Legorol | Basically, we are looking at two possibilities: |
| 00:17.05 | Jerub | there's a hardcap of being able to posses 4k JP |
| 00:17.09 | Legorol | 1) 4K JP is veyr little, and not worth stockpiling, so you don't want to have any JP. In which case spend all your emblems pre-4.0.1 |
| 00:17.12 | Jerub | er posess? |
| 00:17.17 | kd3 | picks the "the numbers aren't final yet. stop freaking the hell out" solution |
| 00:17.26 | Legorol | 2) 4K JP is decent, in which case save everything. |
| 00:17.31 | Jerub | so there is a minimum of 1 piece you can buy with 4k JP |
| 00:17.40 | Amarande | anyway the reason I said to delay heroics until after 4.0.1 is pretty sound, based on what you've told me. |
| 00:17.47 | Wobin | well, 4k is the cap, right? |
| 00:17.47 | Legorol | jerub: it's possible that cap is only until cata is released |
| 00:17.49 | Legorol | they might raise it |
| 00:18.05 | Jerub | Legorol: they've said quite clearly they're lowering it. |
| 00:18.05 | Amarande | if you do heroics and stockpile emblems now, you get about 20% of a present emblem worth per boss kill |
| 00:18.11 | Amarande | if you wait till after 4.0.1 and stockpile JP, you get about 40% of a present emblem worth per boss kill |
| 00:18.17 | Legorol | Jerub: afaik, all they said is that 4k is a *soft* cap to start with, then it will become a hard cap |
| 00:18.19 | Amarande | therefore, it's a far better investment of time to do your heroics after 4.0 :) |
| 00:18.19 | Jerub | it's a softcap of 4k which if you maintain a number of JP above it they'll convert it to gold, to allow you to spend some. |
| 00:18.23 | Legorol | i don't think they said they will lower it |
| 00:18.37 | kd3 | points at [[Justice Point]] on the wiki again |
| 00:18.40 | Jerub | if you can't spend it on gear, then how are you supposed to get under teh softcap? |
| 00:18.58 | Legorol | Jerub: you spend it on L80 stuff pre-cata |
| 00:19.04 | Amarande | and there's actually one thing I *like* about the JP system in particular |
| 00:19.19 | Sliker[Bed] | y'know, from BC to Wrath we got 0 badges of valour |
| 00:19.20 | Amarande | I may actually get to see 2PT10, and I probably wouldn't have otherwise, depending on when Cata hits. :) |
| 00:20.00 | Amarande | (well, and depending on how much luck I have in VOA, in which case I may actually see 4PT10, which I would have been unlikely to do otherwise depending on when Cata hits.) |
| 00:21.34 | Xyphoid | so i was under the impression that at each tier, your banked awesome points got converted to suck points, and suck points stayed around. |
| 00:22.03 | Amarande | Xyphoid: which makes me think now |
| 00:22.07 | Legorol | Xyphoid: exactly |
| 00:22.09 | Amarande | are JPs going to be the awesome points for cata or the suck points? |
| 00:22.12 | Legorol | which is awesome system |
| 00:22.13 | Xyphoid | suck points |
| 00:22.14 | kd3 | suck |
| 00:22.36 | Jerub | they'll be the equiv of ilvl200 gearpoints when w e hit 85 |
| 00:22.42 | Xyphoid | this conversion to gold makes me wonder if they'll do a suck point -> gold conversion when they do an awesome->suck conversion |
| 00:23.18 | Legorol | no they won't |
| 00:23.47 | Legorol | the idea is that at the moment a new tier is released, you lower all awesome poitns to suck points, as well as the cost of the previously highest tier items to suck points |
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| 00:23.57 | Legorol | so all loot, except the current highest tear, costs suck points always |
| 00:24.18 | Amarande | also: how long will most players need to spend in regular dungeons before they are geared to move on to heroics in Cata? |
| 00:24.19 | Xyphoid | i hope they retire obselete loot at some point too |
| 00:24.28 | kd3 | amarande; nobody knows yet |
| 00:24.30 | Legorol | yes this does mean that prior to a new tier being released, you can stockpile some suck points, and therefore buy some loot from the just-obsoleted highest tier items |
| 00:24.36 | Amarande | Xyphoid: that wouldn't be so good. Some stuff never becomes obsolete |
| 00:24.41 | Dagmar | Okay. *Now* I see why the guy who made Minecraft got six hundred thousand euros so fast |
| 00:24.48 | Xyphoid | the current system of 6 vendors in one room is just really annoying for new players |
| 00:24.54 | Legorol | Xyphoid: why retire obsoleted loot? |
| 00:24.59 | Legorol | there is no harm in keeping it in |
| 00:25.14 | Xyphoid | well, maybe we can get the vendors thrown into a cellar |
| 00:25.17 | Legorol | also, lower tier stuff will probably be cheaper |
| 00:25.40 | Xyphoid | right now it's odd because your tier gear is scattered around town and your nontier gear is not |
| 00:26.03 | Amarande | and remember this ... not every tier of point/badge gear has upgraded all the slots that the last tier made available |
| 00:27.19 | Amarande | like offhands ... I don't think they got an upgrade from the 200 ones until the Triumph tier? |
| 00:27.32 | Xyphoid | basically i think it's confusing for people who start to play during later tiers - i say this based on talking to people who reached 80 after icc's release |
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| 00:30.10 | Jerub | who's scared by this? http://kotaku.com/5644227/mobile-guild-chat-coming-to-world-of-warcraft |
| 00:30.28 | Dagmar | So long as it can be tied into something that ain't my phone |
| 00:30.30 | Xinhuan | why would anyone be scared |
| 00:30.58 | Jerub | one step closer to: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2010/2/5/ |
| 00:31.55 | Dagmar | I may have to buy an i-thingie (not the phone0 |
| 00:32.25 | Xinhuan | i couldn't really care less if ppl want to play wow from a less-than-ideal platform |
| 00:32.56 | Dagmar | Right now I'm thinking... They'd better not involve any sort of digging in WoW |
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| 00:33.12 | Dagmar | Five hours ago I started screwing with minecraft. |
| 00:33.27 | Dagmar | I don't think I blinked the last three by the way my eyes feel |
| 00:33.50 | Jerub | Dagmar: i've heard of this crack |
| 00:34.03 | Dagmar | The delay in getting that guy's Paypal reinstated was probably the people in charge of it trying the damn gamn. |
| 00:34.12 | Dagmar | Good lord |
| 00:34.38 | Dagmar | Let me get this straight... this guy wants to take the money and make a game studio? What the hell for? |
| 00:34.43 | Dagmar | He's going to make a fortune on this game. |
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| 00:34.57 | Dagmar | er... a bigger one. |
| 00:36.13 | Xinhuan | minecraft, so awesome |
| 00:36.35 | Dagmar | I know. This is an alpha? Jesus... |
| 00:36.37 | Xinhuan | the perfect game example for |
| 00:36.40 | Xinhuan | emergent gameplay |
| 00:37.26 | Dagmar | I'm going to ptu the damn thing down for a bit, go clean myself up, and head to the coffee house and read up on the internals. |
| 00:37.33 | Xinhuan | however |
| 00:37.38 | Xinhuan | civ5 > everything else THIS WEEK |
| 00:37.42 | Dagmar | If it runs on my netbook, all bets are off. |
| 00:38.07 | Dagmar | I will probably regret showing this to my girl |
| 00:38.29 | Xinhuan | i spent 2 hours watchign a friend play minecraft |
| 00:38.30 | Xinhuan | so fun |
| 00:39.24 | Dagmar | Dude needs more server power |
| 00:39.36 | Jerub | the odd thing is that the guild chat thing is kinda available for me already with mumble. |
| 00:39.47 | Jerub | mumble on my phone has chat access ;) |
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| 00:40.43 | Dagmar | Now if I can just figure out how to keep zombies from spawning inside my cavernous lair I'm set |
| 00:40.59 | Xinhuan | torchlight |
| 00:41.04 | Xinhuan | make a lot of them and put them |
| 00:41.11 | Xinhuan | zombies only spawn in unlit areas |
| 00:41.22 | Xinhuan | so if you put a torch every 10 squares or so |
| 00:41.26 | Xinhuan | you'll be fine |
| 00:41.40 | Dagmar | Hmm... |
| 00:41.42 | Xinhuan | you MUST make sure around a dark corner or cranny |
| 00:41.56 | Dagmar | Okay I'm screwed then |
| 00:42.04 | Xinhuan | well at least a surface of every tile should be lit |
| 00:42.14 | Dagmar | You may have noticed that it likes to erode landmasses so you get weird floating islands on stalks? |
| 00:42.33 | Xinhuan | u can easily create landmass too |
| 00:42.39 | Dagmar | There were four close together so I walled in an area about um... 100 squares in radius |
| 00:42.41 | Xinhuan | get a lava spawner |
| 00:42.46 | Xinhuan | and a bucket of water |
| 00:42.53 | Xinhuan | and yu can create infinite stone |
| 00:43.16 | Dagmar | No need. I found a cave where a lava flow met an underground stream |
| 00:43.32 | Sliker[Bed] | reminds me of the time there was pretty much infinite everything with bugs. |
| 00:43.43 | Xinhuan | yeah but what i'm saying is, if you did it right, you can easily have your own portable water stream |
| 00:43.45 | Xinhuan | and lava stream |
| 00:44.01 | Xinhuan | a very useful tool is to create a lava stream about 100 high |
| 00:44.10 | Xinhuan | that flows from a high place into a pit |
| 00:44.18 | Xinhuan | so from far away say 1000 squares in all directions |
| 00:44.25 | Dagmar | I don't see how you get those in survival mode |
| 00:44.26 | Xinhuan | it acts as a beacon where your "home" is |
| 00:44.40 | Xinhuan | you haven't watched enough youtube videos then ;p |
| 00:44.51 | Dagmar | I'm not sure I should be watching those |
| 00:44.52 | Sliker[Bed] | build a spiral or something |
| 00:44.53 | Xinhuan | so if you died somewhere, you can easilyidentify |
| 00:44.57 | Xinhuan | where your home is |
| 00:45.06 | Xinhuan | you really need to see what other ppl have done |
| 00:45.18 | Dagmar | I seem to spawn in the same place every time. I'm tempted to just build soem kinda temple there to avoid re-squishing |
| 00:45.19 | Xinhuan | they have created huge jedi ships, houses made completely out of glass |
| 00:45.23 | Xinhuan | super mario world recreations |
| 00:45.42 | Xyphoid | did you see Everybody Edits |
| 00:45.48 | Xinhuan | and a lot of videos show practical stuff too |
| 00:45.50 | Xyphoid | or whatever it was |
| 00:45.55 | Xinhuan | like the lava beacon |
| 00:45.59 | Dagmar | Is it always snowing in this thing? |
| 00:46.05 | Wobin | So |
| 00:46.10 | Wobin | Minecraft has been around for a while |
| 00:46.12 | Flowy | when I define slider its without "slider" (button in it) ... why? |
| 00:46.19 | Xinhuan | there's ppl that made greenhouses, indoor gardens that are safe at night because its lit fully |
| 00:46.20 | Flowy | or how to show it |
| 00:46.29 | Wobin | what's made it so suddenly popular? |
| 00:46.32 | Xinhuan | trees can burn forever at the stumps/trunks |
| 00:46.37 | Xyphoid | it's now got more game features |
| 00:46.43 | Dagmar | Wobin: It's sick |
| 00:46.50 | Xyphoid | i played with minecraft when it was just a straight build arbitary blocks tool |
| 00:46.56 | Wobin | ^ |
| 00:47.00 | Xinhuan | because the game's like lego |
| 00:47.00 | Dagmar | Now stuff tries to eat you at night. |
| 00:47.01 | Sliker[Bed] | Dagmar: it generates grass and snow maps, and they stay like that forever atm |
| 00:47.02 | Xyphoid | but now it's got crafting / world persistance / mobs |
| 00:47.05 | Xinhuan | you can do just about anything you want |
| 00:47.15 | Wobin | will it heal my raid? =) |
| 00:47.31 | Dagmar | Slicker: It's been snowing more or less non-stop everywhere |
| 00:47.35 | Xinhuan | it has fake water physics, but its awesome in its own way |
| 00:47.36 | Sliker[Bed] | yeah |
| 00:47.49 | Dagmar | Somewhere around on my map is a pile of loot from when I got hella lost |
| 00:47.50 | Sliker[Bed] | it wont stop since it made you a snow map |
| 00:48.16 | Dagmar | Well, ice is handy for not drowning in |
| 00:48.25 | Sliker[Bed] | but if you make a new one it probably won't be snowing so it never will.. etc |
| 00:48.28 | Sliker[Bed] | indeed |
| 00:48.59 | Flowy | when I define slider its without "slider" (button in it) ... how to show it? |
| 00:49.28 | Dagmar | Wobin: THere's a definite sense of accomplishment in the game now |
| 00:50.08 | Wobin | Dagmar: ah good, I'd found it a bit... 'ok, I hit lava, now what?' when I played it last =) |
| 00:50.14 | Dagmar | Wobin: It's probably also helping them that Penny Arcade have talked about this thing _three times_ now. They don't generally ever do that |
| 00:50.35 | Xinhuan | like i said, the trick to not getting lost |
| 00:50.35 | Dagmar | Oh below-ground is just as sculpted as above |
| 00:50.44 | Xinhuan | is to build a 256 tall landmark |
| 00:50.47 | Xinhuan | 256x1x1 |
| 00:51.02 | Xinhuan | and the best one is one with lava flowing down the sides of it |
| 00:51.07 | Xinhuan | so its visible at night too |
| 00:51.14 | Xinhuan | set view distance to maximum |
| 00:51.24 | Dagmar | Xinhuan: I pretty much walled up a holllowed-out mountain |
| 00:51.40 | Dagmar | It's tall enough... The map is just freaking huge |
| 00:51.49 | Xinhuan | i've seen huge castles |
| 00:51.53 | Xinhuan | i dont' know how much time they spend |
| 00:52.11 | Xinhuan | well |
| 00:52.17 | Dagmar | Once this thing has sound effects and some music it'll make crack look like stale jellybeans |
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| 00:52.19 | Xinhuan | do you know the map has no limits? |
| 00:52.27 | Xinhuan | basically, minecraft generates terrain near you |
| 00:52.36 | Dagmar | Xinhuan: I didnt' want to know that. lol |
| 00:52.37 | Xinhuan | you walk to the edge of the generated terrain, it generates more |
| 00:52.48 | Xinhuan | essentially, the world size is infinite, until you run out of ram |
| 00:53.05 | Xinhuan | are you impressed yet? lol |
| 00:53.11 | Dagmar | Horrified, actually |
| 00:53.23 | Xyphoid | can you cap it in the server configuration |
| 00:53.26 | Xinhuan | and the fact that it actually has algorithms to generate all these terrain |
| 00:53.34 | Xinhuan | and underground caves, tunnels, caverns |
| 00:53.38 | Xyphoid | i have to set up a server for my friends for this |
| 00:53.47 | Xinhuan | and omg, the sun is just so awesome :) |
| 00:53.50 | Dagmar | I've got the server docs open in another window looking at them |
| 00:54.37 | Dagmar | I'm probably going to be playing this later with my gf. This looks like something she can play without getting mad at me for being better at |
| 00:54.39 | Xinhuan | dig too deep, you'll find lava hehe |
| 00:54.44 | Xinhuan | obsidian is very rare |
| 00:54.47 | Xinhuan | as well |
| 00:54.55 | Xyphoid | oh god when someone merges this with dwarf fortress |
| 00:55.13 | Xinhuan | just go watch like 50 youtube videos |
| 00:55.18 | Xinhuan | on what ppl have made |
| 00:55.28 | Xinhuan | and you'll be like what-the-fuck, this game is awesome |
| 00:55.47 | Dagmar | Dude I played it for five hours straight on the first go |
| 00:55.53 | Xyphoid | this engine, multiplayer, dwarf fortress mechanics |
| 00:55.55 | Dagmar | That isn't what usually happens |
| 00:55.59 | Xinhuan | there's videos of umm |
| 00:56.01 | Xinhuan | whats that thing called |
| 00:56.11 | Xinhuan | time stills? |
| 00:56.13 | Xinhuan | time lapse |
| 00:56.16 | Xinhuan | yeah that's it |
| 00:56.19 | Dagmar | Xinhuan: nethack mechanics would be better, but it would also become terrifying |
| 00:56.43 | Xinhuan | they build their castle like 200 blocks at a time, and then go take a time lapse photo of it every 200 blocks from a specific location/camera angle |
| 00:57.10 | Dagmar | "The game world is procedurally generated as the player explores it, with the full size possible stretching out to be nearly eight times the surface area of the Earth before running into technical limits." |
| 00:57.13 | Dagmar | Jawdrop. |
| 00:57.23 | Dagmar | I'm never finding that loot again |
| 00:57.34 | Dagmar | I'm going to start building roads damnit |
| 00:57.56 | Amarande | Dagmar: ouch that's like forgetting where you left something in Daggerfall |
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| 00:58.35 | Xinhuan | i'll also highly suggest visiting their wiki hehe |
| 00:58.42 | Dagmar | I hadn't even figured out how to make a torch yet, got lost and ran all over going "How goddamn big is this map?" |
| 00:58.52 | Xinhuan | chop some wood |
| 00:59.00 | Dagmar | Xinhuan: It's been open in a second window because of the crafting recipes |
| 00:59.01 | Xinhuan | wood + fire = torch |
| 00:59.04 | Amarande | Or leaving something in a cave in Morrowind and forgetting which. :) |
| 00:59.14 | Dagmar | Xinhuan: Actually, stick + coal = torch |
| 00:59.21 | Xinhuan | well yeah =/ |
| 00:59.36 | Xinhuan | my friend built this "rubbish dump" |
| 00:59.39 | Xinhuan | in his "house" |
| 00:59.48 | Xinhuan | its basically 2 squares of lava |
| 00:59.56 | Xinhuan | and anything he doesn't want he just throws it in |
| 01:00.00 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 01:00.04 | Dagmar | Not a bad idea |
| 01:00.22 | Xinhuan | otherwise it takes days for stuff on the floor to decay and disappear |
| 01:00.24 | Dagmar | You know, this guy's server being overloaded is probably the best thing going for him right now |
| 01:00.27 | Xinhuan | i don't know how true the days part is |
| 01:00.41 | Dagmar | The screenshots don't look like something you'd pay four bucks for, let alone nine |
| 01:00.52 | Xinhuan | its not how it looks though, its how it plays |
| 01:01.05 | Dagmar | I started to look into the thing this morning, and since he server is wrecked, he's just got it set up so it auths everyone |
| 01:01.06 | Xinhuan | BFF had a report on it right |
| 01:01.36 | Dagmar | Now I'm cursing that I can't get that nine bucks into his hands fast enough |
| 01:02.13 | Xinhuan | the main problem with multiplayer of course is that everyone destroys each other's stuff :) |
| 01:02.28 | Amarande | Xinhuan: this is a problem? :) |
| 01:02.32 | Xinhuan | haha |
| 01:02.42 | Xinhuan | and usually |
| 01:02.47 | Amarande | isn't the usual point of multiplayer, except in cooperative MMORPGs, to destroy the other players' stuff? :) |
| 01:02.59 | Xinhuan | such a multiplayer map just ends up with like 300 of the 256x1x1 skyscrapers |
| 01:03.05 | Jerub | Amarande: OpenTTD isn't about destroying the other guy |
| 01:03.12 | Amarande | well, unless you're playing left 4 dead, but that game's just unusual. |
| 01:03.20 | Xinhuan | well anyway, i don't think the guy |
| 01:03.40 | Xinhuan | had programmed in anything for multiplayer stuff yet, its just a alpha |
| 01:03.48 | Xinhuan | so anyone can do everything as is |
| 01:03.53 | Amarande | gah, what was the last thing I did in the arcatraz chain |
| 01:04.01 | Amarande | I remember I did part of this while I was questing netherstorm at 70 ... |
| 01:06.07 | Xinhuan | but its civ5 week :) |
| 01:07.48 | Xinhuan | Dagmar, you see the BFF video on minecraft? |
| 01:07.53 | Xinhuan | http://www.wowhead.com/blog&p=2 (bottom of page) |
| 01:09.47 | Dagmar | looks |
| 01:10.14 | Xinhuan | all the BFF videos are like "reviews" |
| 01:10.19 | Xinhuan | of various games |
| 01:10.22 | Xinhuan | pretty cool |
| 01:10.32 | Xinhuan | although he's only like touched on the surface of it |
| 01:10.44 | Xinhuan | and his latest one on FF14 is quite lol |
| 01:11.09 | Dagmar | Wait... still stuck on the redhead |
| 01:11.24 | Xinhuan | yeah he's like giving his first impression |
| 01:11.59 | Xinhuan | the real stuff, you have to youtube it up |
| 01:12.44 | Corrodias | TROLL DRUIDS? WoW is over! |
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| 01:13.09 | Dagmar | Xinhuan: I see that the guy who wrote this started on a Commodore. That explains quite a bit actually |
| 01:13.24 | Xinhuan | well he's just one guy |
| 01:13.36 | Xinhuan | and i don't really know any programmer that can also draw like an artist :P |
| 01:13.37 | Dagmar | No, it explains how this happens in such a small space. |
| 01:14.02 | Dagmar | You either made use of minimal colors and space on the commie or you *did not code* |
| 01:14.10 | Dagmar | 38K RAM. |
| 01:14.15 | Xinhuan | hehe |
| 01:15.24 | Corrodias | that's okay, commies only use red anyway |
| 01:15.27 | Dagmar | Hopefully the next thing he'll fix is that gravel falls when you undercut it, but trees dont |
| 01:15.32 | Corrodias | dies laughing. see you at the wake! |
| 01:16.23 | Dagmar | I'm not sure trees even *care*. I spent about ten minutes building crap just to climb up to snuff the giant floating arbor-cloud-of-doom that had regrown |
| 01:18.18 | Amarande | In Soviet Russia, forest chops you! |
| 01:18.37 | Amarande | (we have a Druid in our raid who has some sort of macro that says that ... I think it might be tied to his "summon treants" spell) |
| 01:18.54 | Amarande | actually we have a LOT of druids in our raid |
| 01:19.00 | Amarande | we've been known to have four druids in a 10-man group at times |
| 01:19.30 | Wobin | Amarande: we have a lot of priests |
| 01:19.37 | Wobin | it makes the trash for BQL trivial |
| 01:19.41 | Legorol | With all this talk of minecraft, I got curious about what it is. I am very impressed by this trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaMTedT6P0I |
| 01:19.55 | Jerub | we tried to do LDW with the only CC being the two druid healers. |
| 01:20.01 | Jerub | uh, icc10 LDW HM |
| 01:20.06 | Jerub | that didn't go well. |
| 01:20.32 | Amarande | Wobin: as I said earlier, when I RL'd VOA10 last week I think I took four mages |
| 01:20.36 | Jerub | was okay because one had OS boomkin so put on a +hit trinket, but she wasn't qiuck enough with CC |
| 01:20.49 | Wobin | does voa require CC? |
| 01:20.57 | Amarande | I'm surprised anyone does more than five HMs anymore :S |
| 01:20.59 | Legorol | Jerub: with any non-insane raid comp, you always have more CC than that |
| 01:20.59 | Amarande | Wobin: Nope. |
| 01:21.02 | Dagmar | Legorol: It is like crack. You have been warned. |
| 01:21.03 | Legorol | Jerub: did you have any priests? |
| 01:21.06 | Jerub | Legorol: nope |
| 01:21.11 | Legorol | Jerub: paladins? |
| 01:21.14 | Jerub | nope. |
| 01:21.20 | Jerub | oh, 1, a tank. |
| 01:21.23 | Dagmar | Actualyl I think they could use this game to get people off crack |
| 01:21.25 | Amarande | even if you're going for Light of Dawn, at this point you probably really only even want to *bother* with five HMs total, no? |
| 01:21.26 | Legorol | jerub: did you have tanks? |
| 01:21.27 | Wobin | what can priests do? |
| 01:21.32 | Legorol | they can taunt MC-d people on to themselves |
| 01:21.34 | Legorol | Wobin: mass fear |
| 01:21.40 | Legorol | the moment people get MC-d, you fear |
| 01:21.42 | Wobin | oh |
| 01:21.50 | Wobin | need a lot to keep them feared though |
| 01:21.57 | Legorol | did you have any DK-s to throw chains of ice? |
| 01:22.00 | Legorol | paladins or warriors to stun? |
| 01:22.08 | Wobin | concussive blow! |
| 01:22.09 | Jerub | Legorol: when our rogue got CC'd, you had about 1.5seconds before he ganked whoever was closest, which was usually a tank |
| 01:22.10 | Legorol | DK-s to silence? |
| 01:22.20 | Amarande | since all you NEED for Light of Dawn or (what's the 10m one?) is BQL, PP, Sindy, and LK on HM, the rest you can do on normal so you might as well to get to the ones you *need* to do on HM faster |
| 01:22.23 | Jerub | er MC'd |
| 01:22.36 | Amarande | except gunship, because only wusses and people without access to a KS do gunship on normal :S |
| 01:22.49 | Wobin | KS? |
| 01:22.53 | Jerub | kingslayer |
| 01:22.53 | Amarande | Wobin: Kingslayer |
| 01:22.56 | Wobin | oh |
| 01:23.07 | Wobin | idk tla confuse the hell out of me =P |
| 01:23.15 | Jerub | i'd like to do marrowgar on hm this ewek, but we're doing a continuation of our LK save this week |
| 01:23.17 | Amarande | if you know a Kingslayer who isn't saved and you aren't a wuss, you do gunship on heroic *always*, seems to be the general manner of things :) |
| 01:23.26 | Amarande | we decided not to extend lockout this week after all |
| 01:25.26 | Xinhuan | well Amarande, the hardmodes of all the other bosses |
| 01:25.28 | Xinhuan | aren't hard |
| 01:25.35 | Xinhuan | and ppl could still get gear upgrades |
| 01:26.14 | Xinhuan | pugs on my server can and do regularly do 9/12 hards and finish the other 3 on normal (sindra, lk and deathwhisper) |
| 01:26.22 | Xinhuan | and i mean 25 man here |
| 01:26.29 | Xinhuan | 25man gkps |
| 01:26.45 | Amarande | wow, is LDW really third only to Sindy and LK for HM difficulty? |
| 01:26.50 | Amarande | I'd think PP would be harder |
| 01:26.56 | Xinhuan | well actually its usually more PP |
| 01:26.59 | Amarande | mostly because PP seems to be hard enough to begin with |
| 01:27.04 | Xinhuan | but i think only 2 gkps atm on my server can do lady |
| 01:27.14 | Xinhuan | so yah |
| 01:27.26 | Wobin | there's a -lot- of incoming damage in p3 of PP |
| 01:27.32 | Amarande | yeah I'm tempted to suggest more hm's to my GM next go. |
| 01:27.44 | Amarande | I'm particularly wanting to see what Blood Princes is like on heroic. :) |
| 01:27.53 | Xinhuan | its no different from normal |
| 01:28.00 | Xinhuan | just everything does like 20% more damage |
| 01:28.10 | Xinhuan | i mean it ;p |
| 01:28.16 | Xinhuan | and the boss has like 20% more health? |
| 01:28.20 | Xinhuan | that's the only thing different |
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| 01:29.16 | Jerub | Amarande: LDW was easy.... |
| 01:29.23 | Amarande | Xin: wow, sounds almost as sillily easy a HM as gunship |
| 01:29.24 | Jerub | on 10icc |
| 01:29.28 | Amarande | I don't know why we don't do princes on HM already |
| 01:29.39 | Xinhuan | the main problem is the debuff |
| 01:29.42 | Xinhuan | ppl won't get used to it |
| 01:29.44 | Xinhuan | at first |
| 01:29.48 | Xinhuan | they will be scared to move |
| 01:29.58 | Xinhuan | but honestly, i just move anyway |
| 01:30.04 | Xinhuan | stack to 10? no problem |
| 01:30.39 | Xinhuan | melee should move out early for that .. forgot ability name |
| 01:31.32 | Xinhuan | the main killer is letting balls drop heh |
| 01:31.40 | Amarande | Xin: empowered shock vortex? |
| 01:31.44 | Xinhuan | yeah |
| 01:32.16 | Corrodias | i'd make a joke here |
| 01:32.30 | Corrodias | but i don't know what age it is that the testicles typically descend |
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| 01:34.01 | Jerub | i'd actually like to get a whole quarter on heroic achieve |
| 01:34.08 | Jerub | like just first quarter or something |
| 01:34.11 | Legorol | Xinhuan: it's not true that princes are the same as normal just wiht more health |
| 01:34.32 | Legorol | the shadow prison debuff, which doesn't exist on normal, significantly changes the movement/positioning mechanics if you are used to just running around |
| 01:34.33 | Xinhuan | well it feels that way lol |
| 01:34.43 | Jerub | festergut with a pally tank kiting is practically the same with more health. |
| 01:34.54 | Legorol | for example, you can't just assign 1/2 ranged dps to the kinetic bombs, you have to position several of them strategically |
| 01:34.56 | Xinhuan | the point i'm trying to make is to actually just continue to move around, and not be afraid of moving |
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| 01:35.04 | Xinhuan | ppl see like "omg 5 stacks" and stop |
| 01:35.14 | Legorol | they can move, up to 10 |
| 01:35.18 | Xinhuan | but honestly, our main tank doesn't even care and gets 99 stacks of that shit |
| 01:35.19 | Legorol | but 10 is already quite painful |
| 01:35.33 | Xinhuan | i've gone up to 19 before ;p |
| 01:35.40 | Legorol | if your tank can get 99, then you have something strange going on |
| 01:35.40 | Xinhuan | as dps |
| 01:35.49 | Legorol | the only person immune to shadow prison is the one tanking Keleseth |
| 01:35.55 | Legorol | that person can go to 99 |
| 01:36.00 | Xinhuan | that's the one that goes to 99 :P |
| 01:36.04 | Xinhuan | ok heh |
| 01:36.10 | Legorol | well ok |
| 01:36.11 | Xinhuan | the other one tries not to move |
| 01:36.15 | Legorol | anyone else would be oneshotted by 99 |
| 01:36.28 | Legorol | of course they made the mechanics such that Keleseth tank can move |
| 01:36.33 | Legorol | otherwise the encounter would be near impossible |
| 01:36.34 | Xinhuan | i exagerate :( |
| 01:37.03 | Xinhuan | the fight is actually such that even with like half the raid dead, you can still kill it though |
| 01:37.07 | Legorol | btw, i checked out some minecraft vids on youtube, i'm very impressed |
| 01:37.10 | Xinhuan | it gets easier with more ppl dead |
| 01:37.16 | Legorol | i wish the site let me register already and not keep timing out :( |
| 01:37.25 | Xinhuan | as long as you don't hit enrage (unlikely) |
| 01:42.54 | Amarande | yay soloing mech |
| 01:43.07 | Amarande | Which would you prefer, a regular bag full of angry blood elves or a Glad-Lock bag full of angry blood elves! :) |
| 01:44.57 | Iriel | Yay - new mount: http://www.cheeseplant.org/~daniel/images/BlueCar.jpg |
| 01:45.25 | Thunder_Child | grats |
| 01:46.09 | Amarande | also, this is weird |
| 01:46.18 | Amarande | I had to pick need or greed when I looted the cache of the legion ... solo |
| 01:46.32 | Iriel | Amarande: you're not acciently grouped or raided? |
| 01:46.48 | Wobin | Iriel: looks epic |
| 01:47.08 | Amarande | Iriel: not grouped at all |
| 01:47.18 | Amarande | and didn't have to pick need or greed on Capacitus' loot, either |
| 01:47.45 | Xinhuan | is that on live or ptr? |
| 01:48.37 | Amarande | live |
| 01:48.52 | Amarande | (can you still solo 70 instances at 80 on 4.0 or did the monster damage increase kill that?) |
| 01:49.44 | Amarande | Oh yeah, don't try to stand toe to toe with Sepethrea, even as a DK in ICC gear. |
| 01:50.55 | Iriel | Wobin: apparently it's the last blue one available in northern california right now |
| 01:51.55 | Iriel | Or should I say, it WAS the last blue one available, since it's obviously no longer available as it's in our garage |
| 01:52.01 | Wobin | hehe |
| 01:55.00 | Amarande | Iriel: you'll just have to hope the purple one drops, then :) |
| 01:55.06 | Iriel | hehe |
| 01:55.20 | Iriel | I see the purple drops around town (lotus, ferrari, etc) |
| 01:55.39 | Amarande | Just don't accept the guy in the XK's offer to race you to Dead Man's Curve, though :D |
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| 01:59.51 | Amarande | you know what ultimately would be a good idea for dungeons ... |
| 02:00.06 | Amarande | they should just have all the dungeons scale by level, like say the monsters in Oblivion do |
| 02:00.25 | Amarande | and then have the blue drops be scaled by the level you did it at (sort of like heirlooms, but they're fixed at the level they drop at) |
| 02:00.35 | Iriel | Amarande: yeah, but the oblivion scaling was broken |
| 02:00.44 | Iriel | Amarande: if htey could really pull it off, sure |
| 02:00.45 | Xyphoid | they just added something like that to LOTRO right? |
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| 02:01.58 | Amarande | also: hmm. any of the bosses in Bot ones where you need to clear the whole room first or else? |
| 02:02.08 | Amarande | it's been a while since I was here last |
| 02:02.57 | Amarande | and so far the only BC boss I've found that's like that is the thing in Mana Tombs |
| 02:03.04 | Amarande | (Anomalus? No, that's the thing in Nexus. Dammit, what was its name.) |
| 02:10.55 | Dagmar | lol minecraft under Linux has sound |
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| 02:14.59 | Iriel | Minecraft is pretty awesome, i'm impressed. |
| 02:16.18 | Corrodias | Amarande: great idea. but so it's easier to balance, why don't we just add an option to play it at a higher risk/reward level? |
| 02:17.17 | Amarande | Corrodias: I was more thinking if all the dungeons scaled like that, once you're able to go to a dungeon you can do it whenever |
| 02:17.23 | Amarande | so people's favorite dungeons don't fall apart eventually :) |
| 02:17.41 | Amarande | of course, no regular dungeon so scaled should be as good as a Heroic, so people will still have an incentive to do *new* content at max level :) |
| 02:17.58 | Amarande | but on the par with normal max level dungeons at that point would be fine. |
| 02:18.08 | Corrodias | i was making fun of how much it sounded like heroics, but i can't argue with the fact that some of them old dungeons from back in my day didn't get visited much |
| 02:18.25 | Corrodias | that snake temple that i can't remember, in the swamp, was a great dungeon |
| 02:18.54 | Corrodias | glad i got to see it many times, unlike scholomance and stratholme, which i never could get a group for ~_~ |
| 02:19.11 | Corrodias | sunken temple, that's it |
| 02:19.39 | Amarande | yeah the only reason I saw Scholo, Strat, or DM in BC was because of quests |
| 02:19.52 | Amarande | I saw Scholo and DM only because I was a warlock and stubborn enough to get the groups to get the Dreadsteed quest done |
| 02:20.05 | Amarande | and Strat because I had a Pally at the time doing the charger quest (and was a tank, so I could actually get people to go) |
| 02:22.24 | Amarande | I try to take time to queue for each on the way up on new characters now |
| 02:22.43 | Amarande | BTW is ZG gone in 4.0.1 or not until Cata actually hits? |
| 02:23.16 | Corrodias | those bastards, erasing the classics! *fistshake* |
| 02:28.10 | Wobin | Amarande: bah |
| 02:28.26 | Wobin | In the DW MUD I created on, we had the Unseen University Library |
| 02:28.35 | Wobin | it was essentially infinite |
| 02:28.37 | Amarande | Corrodias: they do a better job of evolving RPG worlds than I do |
| 02:28.45 | Amarande | I find it really hard to properly map the passing of time, particularly *on the map* |
| 02:29.02 | Wobin | certain paths lead to locations, but other than that, there was no 'back wall' it just went on forever |
| 02:29.03 | Amarande | mainly because Campaign Cartographer 3 is a real pain in the ass when it comes to modifying existing drawn entities :S |
| 02:29.18 | Wobin | it just kept generating more rooms |
| 02:31.07 | Wobin | http://apina.biz/34314.jpg |
| 02:31.09 | Wobin | zomg |
| 02:31.18 | Wobin | awesome goats are awesome |
| 02:31.40 | Shirik | wtf are they doing |
| 02:31.54 | Wobin | they're totally goating |
| 02:32.07 | Wobin | being awesome |
| 02:32.08 | Amarande | Like ... if it's a matter of "this city is destroyed" I can just delete the city symbol and put in a ruins one |
| 02:32.30 | Amarande | but if it's a matter of major terrain changes it's a real pain in the ass to change such stuff in CC3 sometimes, while keeping the rest of the world as it was |
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| 02:38.09 | Xyphoid | source control for world maps, hmm |
| 02:39.13 | Amarande | Xyphoid: well the main trouble is that CC3 is a vector based drawing program |
| 02:39.22 | Amarande | which is actually far better than raster based when you're first drawing a map |
| 02:39.27 | Amarande | but it's also a lot harder to make changes |
| 02:50.41 | Jerub | okay, another problem for me to look at. Druid resto 4T10 with 251 hat and hands. or 2T10 with 264 hat and hands. |
| 02:50.46 | Jerub | has no idea how to work this one out |
| 02:51.19 | Motig | Wobin that's a cool picture |
| 02:51.21 | Amarande | Jerub: Rawr? |
| 02:51.27 | Jerub | hm. |
| 02:52.16 | Jerub | tries to run it in wine |
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| 02:53.43 | Amarande | wow over 50g in vendor trash alone from just two dungeons |
| 02:53.47 | Kraps | civ takes too long |
| 02:53.53 | Xyphoid | i hate deciding between t10 and 264 pieces |
| 02:56.32 | Jerub | okay, i have no idea what this rawr thing is. |
| 02:57.04 | Jerub | is it normal for it to list the Sanct T10 pieces 5 times on the right hand sde with different values on them? |
| 02:57.36 | airtonix | http://www.scifimoviepage.com/upcoming/previews/endersgame.html |
| 02:57.39 | Xyphoid | those valuse depend on how you gem them usually |
| 02:57.43 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: BLASPHEMY! |
| 02:57.48 | Xyphoid | so just pick the first |
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| 02:59.46 | Motig | server restart just as we have 1560 in AB |
| 02:59.48 | Motig | :( |
| 03:00.38 | airtonix | 98% of them afk |
| 03:00.54 | airtonix | including you |
| 03:02.28 | Jerub | rawr seems to think i should gem agility instead of stam. |
| 03:04.21 | Amarande | Motig: were you going to win 1600 to 1590? |
| 03:04.46 | Motig | na |
| 03:04.51 | Motig | that would've been even worse! |
| 03:04.56 | Motig | I hate that achievement |
| 03:04.59 | Motig | I've seen Horde get it |
| 03:05.13 | Amarande | I've seen a lot of fairly vitriolic QQ about that achievement on the boards |
| 03:05.21 | Jerub | any bears here? |
| 03:05.30 | Amarande | mostly because of how stupidly flukish it is unless the teams practically collude to get people the achievement :S |
| 03:05.30 | Motig | <- |
| 03:05.42 | Amarande | like ... I remember when you still got marks from battlegrounds |
| 03:05.44 | Jerub | Amarande: teams /do/ collude to get the achievement |
| 03:05.44 | Motig | yeah or you have to be incredibly lucky |
| 03:05.53 | Amarande | and people would be exalted with all 3 battleground factions long ago |
| 03:05.59 | Amarande | they'd be full on marks with nothing worth spending them on |
| 03:06.07 | Amarande | their MAILBOXES would be full on marks as well |
| 03:06.12 | Amarande | so that marks were just falling off into the ether |
| 03:06.18 | Amarande | and they'd STILL not have Battlemaster because of that ONE achievement |
| 03:06.50 | Amarande | they'd even have long ago gotten all the EOTS achievements, despite the fact that those can often be hard to get as EOTS seems hardly to be played anymore on a lot of BGs (or was hardly played anymore before the random battlegroup thing) |
| 03:07.10 | Amarande | Jerub: that's practically a design flaw, then |
| 03:07.30 | Amarande | an achievement that requires two teams that are supposed to be opponents to deliberately collude to help each other get it = bad design |
| 03:07.34 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: i'm 87 turns into a game and i'm sure i'm sucking bigtime |
| 03:08.20 | Amarande | that's almost as bad as Storm the Beach for Horde before they fixed it (did they fix it?), except apparently that one was proven to be impossible even with collusion and major exploiting |
| 03:08.42 | Amarande | (Apparently, the only thing that gave even a chance for Horde to get StB originally was all rogue teams on both sides and a lot of shadowstep exploit) |
| 03:10.07 | Torhal | MOAR QQ! |
| 03:15.12 | Jerub | hm. going mostly agility gems will mean that my kitty dps will skyrocket. |
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| 03:17.33 | SqueeG | these synthebrew goggles are the greatest invention ever |
| 03:17.45 | Jerub | SqueeG: go check out the vendors in org. |
| 03:17.46 | SqueeG | it's a shame they require the event to work |
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| 03:17.51 | Jerub | wait, no. |
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| 03:18.06 | Jerub | I have both, the drunk goggles and the make-everyone-a-female-orc one. |
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| 03:18.23 | SqueeG | yea i never bothered getting the token goggles |
| 03:18.36 | SqueeG | free beer was more amusing |
| 03:18.51 | Humbedooh | did someone say free beer? :> |
| 03:19.11 | SqueeG | why hellooooo humbedooh |
| 03:19.16 | Humbedooh | helloo! |
| 03:19.30 | bleeter | here's one for the propellor heads http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8_5Qc1mK54 (nsfw, ping Fisker) |
| 03:21.02 | SqueeG | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXiFsB4SYlc&feature=player_embedded |
| 03:23.10 | Humbedooh | good ol' elmo ^^ |
| 03:27.13 | SqueeG | i've noticed that since wrath... a lot of players are guildless |
| 03:32.58 | Amarande | Squee: that's because in Wrath you haven't really needed a guild unless you really want one, since raids can be PUGged much more |
| 03:33.05 | Amarande | Get in a raid guild now, because in Cata you'll probably need one. |
| 03:33.49 | Jerub | i reckon cata will just be more fun with the guild stuff. |
| 03:33.55 | mikma | cairenn: http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/threesome.jpg |
| 03:34.23 | Cairenn | lol |
| 03:34.40 | Jerub | mikma: sfw? |
| 03:34.43 | mikma | sfw |
| 03:35.20 | Amarande | Heya Cairenn :) |
| 03:35.25 | Amarande | Jerub: yeah, especially now that I guilded up with my raid |
| 03:35.27 | Cairenn | hi hi |
| 03:35.31 | Amarande | How's you? |
| 03:36.09 | Jerub | i reckon in cata i'll be like, "LF1M in my guild so we can hit more dungeons as a guild" :P |
| 03:36.09 | Amarande | btw, in beta, is it still feasible to do outland dungeonmaster at 80 solo? |
| 03:36.28 | Amarande | or did the monster damage buff result in one needing to at least bring a healer along even if one has the DPS to curbstomp the 70 places? |
| 03:36.58 | Amarande | ... and what is with these damned Protean Horrors that keep spawning out of nowhere it seems! |
| 03:37.25 | Motig | Protean Horrors!? o_O |
| 03:37.39 | Amarande | And then these Sentinels that keep doing lightning damage *after they're dead* |
| 03:37.44 | Amarande | man, this place doesn't bring back fun memories at all! |
| 03:37.57 | Motig | in what instance are you? |
| 03:37.58 | Amarande | at least I don't have to come back here again once I get the cheeve |
| 03:38.02 | Motig | It sounds like a Tempest Keep instance |
| 03:38.02 | Amarande | Arcatraz |
| 03:38.05 | Motig | :D |
| 03:38.18 | Amarande | oh wait, I will have to come back here again ... on heroic. *headdesk* |
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| 03:39.59 | Motig | if you were on my realm I'd help you :] |
| 03:40.21 | Amarande | (and why is it that tailoring is the only profession that benefits from Northrend Dungeonmaster and Loremaster? :S) |
| 03:40.44 | Amarande | unless maybe it's because loremaster is hardest to do as a cloth class, the ones that are likely to be taking tailoring, and thus a more worthy reward :) |
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| 03:41.45 | Jerub | Amarande: enchanting is /awesome/ for loremaster work |
| 03:42.01 | Jerub | Amarande: BC enchanting mats are worth much more than NR enchanting mats |
| 03:42.22 | Amarande | there's a loremaster-only enchanting recipe too? |
| 03:42.26 | Jerub | two guildies would 2man BC dungeons for gear |
| 03:42.27 | Amarande | that's what I was saying about tailoring |
| 03:42.32 | Jerub | there's what? |
| 03:42.52 | Jerub | http://www.wowwiki.com/Loremaster needs updating then |
| 03:42.54 | Amarande | Jerub: I was referring to that the only profession that actually gets access to special recipes by having those achievements is Tailoring. |
| 03:43.00 | Amarande | (and then only for Northrend) |
| 03:43.43 | Jerub | that's not documented on the wiki. what are you referring to? |
| 03:43.44 | Amarande | and wondering if it's because they figured it would be hardest on tailors (since tailors are usually squishy clothies with the least ability to solo the quests involving elites that you have to do, unlike say, paladins and DKs that can pretty much solo ANYTHING topside once they're in ICC gear) |
| 03:43.52 | Amarande | Jerub: deathchill cloak and wispcloak? :) |
| 03:44.34 | Amarande | Wispcloak requires Dungeonmaster (easy enough, especially on a priest since healers have it easy when it comes to getting groups) |
| 03:44.47 | Amarande | Deathchill Cloak requires Loremaster (which is probably going to be horrible hell on my priest) |
| 03:46.54 | Amarande | ow. meteor really, really hurts when soloing, as a side note. |
| 03:47.10 | Xyphoid | loremaster is just about dots and run speed |
| 03:47.19 | Motig | surely a warlock in icc gear would destroy ARcatraz |
| 03:47.22 | Motig | or a mage |
| 03:47.50 | Amarande | Motig: I haven't tried it on my lock, and she doesn't have ICC gear :) |
| 03:47.54 | Jerub | and knowing about that mob in mulgore that only spawns after you talk ot that npc |
| 03:48.10 | Motig | I wouldn't know really, I don't have a clothie that's above level 20 I think |
| 03:48.10 | Motig | :p |
| 03:48.15 | Xyphoid | the mods like everyquest makes finding the quests pretty trivial now |
| 03:48.19 | Xyphoid | no more sifting through wowhead for hours |
| 03:48.20 | Amarande | But anyway, it just seems logical to me that if Tailors get special recipes for Dungeonmaster and Loremaster, that each of the other crafting professions ought to have as well :) |
| 04:02.46 | Shirik | This pretty easily summs up the people I have to work with: |
| 04:02.56 | Shirik | Hey Matt, |
| 04:02.56 | Shirik | I was trying to clone the comms test files on my laptop; however, I am recieving a message "No such file or directory". |
| 04:03.08 | Shirik | that is the entire email |
| 04:03.13 | Shirik | I was tempted to reply with "k" |
| 04:03.32 | Wobin | "duly noted" |
| 04:04.16 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: next time dont be tempted, do. |
| 04:08.45 | Amarande | "this is because corporate administration has deleted all files from your laptop in order to avoid any potential dangers resulting from your incompetence" |
| 04:11.18 | Jerub | Shirik: one day i got a message from our clueless blonde acounts staff who thoroughyl enjoyed being waited on by our IT department to the support inbox. |
| 04:11.21 | Jerub | "keyboard does not work" |
| 04:11.57 | Jerub | I, being pissed off that we pander to those bimbos, walked over with another crappy keyboard, and gave it to the person who filed the report. |
| 04:12.06 | Jerub | "plug it in in place of the one that doesn't work" |
| 04:12.08 | Jerub | and walked out. |
| 04:12.13 | Jerub | I received a formal reprimand for that. |
| 04:12.35 | Jerub | (the keyboard didn't work on that machine because it was entirely frozen and neither mouse or keyboard input worked) |
| 04:15.01 | Amarande | Jerub: you mean "the kind of girl that one should never ever ever ever marry under any circumstances even if she was the last girl on earth" type. :) |
| 04:18.35 | Jerub | Amarande: i wouldn't go that far. |
| 04:27.20 | Amarande | meanwhile, I seem to have hit a snag in SV |
| 04:27.29 | Amarande | there's this door that says "Main Chambers Door" and is locked |
| 04:27.32 | Amarande | how do I open this? |
| 04:27.34 | Amarande | or did I go the wrong way? |
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| 04:37.02 | Amarande | ggggrrrrrrr |
| 04:37.05 | Amarande | I keep getting lost in this stupid place |
| 04:37.10 | Amarande | at least you can't get lost in Arc :) |
| 04:42.11 | Arrowmaster | apparently one of my packages from amazon is estimated to arrive tomorrow, and the other one 2 days later |
| 04:42.29 | Arrowmaster | why the hell ship one with UPS and the other with USPS |
| 04:43.16 | Thunder_Child | are they both being sold by amazon? or is one through |
| 04:43.22 | Amarande | oooookay, I'm stuck. |
| 04:43.27 | Arrowmaster | both are from Amazon LLC |
| 04:43.29 | Amarande | How do you get into Kallithresh's chamber without a rogue/BS/eng? |
| 04:43.38 | Xyphoid | kill 2 bosses |
| 04:43.39 | Xyphoid | the door opens |
| 04:43.45 | Amarande | I've killed both other bosses and the only place I seem not to have been to yet is "Main Chambers Door (Locked)" |
| 04:43.52 | Xyphoid | use the console in each boss room |
| 04:44.03 | Arrowmaster | where are you? |
| 04:44.18 | Amarande | Steamvault |
| 04:44.25 | Xyphoid | there is a clicky machine behind each boss |
| 04:47.48 | Amarande | yeah, I just noticed that *now* *sigh* |
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| 05:02.56 | Cide | hi |
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| 05:13.19 | Fisker | slaps Cide around a bit with a large trout |
| 05:14.16 | Kraps | Season Premiere of NCIS woot |
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| 05:18.37 | bluspacecow | hey guys i want to download from this page http://www.smileonmymac.com/PDFpen/ |
| 05:18.43 | bluspacecow | but i cant get it to load :( |
| 05:18.46 | bluspacecow | help ? |
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| 05:21.31 | bluspacecow | nvm working now |
| 05:23.44 | zenzelezz | Cairenn: http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/09/21/funny-pictures-xcuse-meh/ |
| 05:24.00 | Cairenn | ROFL |
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| 05:34.32 | Fisker | i'm tired zenzelezz |
| 05:35.16 | Amarande | ok, time for sleep |
| 05:35.17 | Amarande | night folks. |
| 05:35.53 | Fisker | ~seen Tuller |
| 05:36.02 | purl | tuller <~muffins@c-69-143-56-163.hsd1.va.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 2d 10h 54m 56s ago, saying: 'http://github.com/kimhyunkang/Combuctor'. |
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| 06:15.53 | kd3 | hm, interesting thread happening tonight in the DD forum |
| 06:16.01 | Jerub | kd3: ? |
| 06:16.04 | kd3 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=26859148934&sid=1 |
| 06:17.41 | Fisker | baw |
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| 06:24.43 | Jerub | ugh |
| 06:24.54 | Jerub | just looked at the cataclysm feral tanking tree |
| 06:24.57 | Jerub | i agree with OP |
| 06:27.30 | unfo- | hmmmh gotta check it |
| 06:29.39 | Jerub | although, i'm not entirely sure |
| 06:29.55 | Jerub | i think furor (which has a mandatory at least 1 point in it) and the bash talents aren't necessery |
| 06:33.04 | unfo- | i don't agree. there weren't that many mandatory skills imho -- but there weren't any "fun" talents, that's sure |
| 06:34.23 | Fisker | slaps Jerub around a bit with a large trout |
| 06:35.56 | Jerub | The only fun one in that tree is Furor |
| 06:36.03 | Jerub | because it lets you change form more often without penalty. |
| 06:37.40 | Jerub | nothing in prot warrior tree that's either fun or utility. |
| 06:37.56 | cog|away | slaps Fisker around with Froyo for Droid X |
| 06:38.15 | nebula | there's a bunch of stuff that isn't needed in prot |
| 06:38.36 | nebula | would exactly call the choices ultility, though |
| 06:38.53 | Jerub | nebula: um, sure. it's a cohice of do you want that beneficial talent or the other one |
| 06:39.07 | Jerub | neither are 'fun', they're just extra tanking mechanics |
| 06:39.13 | nebula | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:39.19 | nebula | i'm cool with that |
| 06:40.13 | nebula | as a tank, making rend useful could be fun, or actually looking at parry with something other than contempt could be considered fun, i guess, lol |
| 06:40.53 | nebula | overall, I'm a big fan of the way 4.0 talent trees work |
| 06:41.34 | Jerub | nod. |
| 06:41.36 | Jerub | they're improved. |
| 06:42.31 | Jerub | the appeal for me is that i can understand them and the choices better because they're shorter |
| 06:42.56 | Jerub | when i first played wow (a year ago) I would read wowwiki.com to find out what they actually meant so i could ascertain if the talents were pvp or pve talents and ushc |
| 06:42.59 | Jerub | er such |
| 06:43.31 | nebula | yea, started with a cookie cutter spec and worked backward to figure out why things were better than others |
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| 06:45.19 | Jerub | "Maybe that gets back to the whole "terror of being caught being wrong" problem" |
| 06:46.02 | nebula | pretty much everything GC said in that thread mirrors my own views, he's kind of my hero |
| 06:49.24 | unfo- | nebula, aye |
| 06:49.26 | unfo- | "using a build that is bad for me just because it's the anointed one doesn't make sense. A- dps with the "bad" build is superior to C+ dps with the "good" build. " |
| 06:49.32 | unfo- | quoted for fucking truth |
| 06:50.26 | airtonix | ? |
| 06:50.49 | airtonix | Is there something you need to get off your chest ? |
| 06:50.59 | Jerub | i use a cookie cutter build because they're so complicated :/ |
| 06:51.10 | airtonix | 1+1 is not complicated |
| 06:51.24 | Jerub | someone had to point out to me a balance talent i was missing that would greatly increase (like, 15%) my spam healing as a resto druid |
| 06:51.26 | airtonix | sorry if it was |
| 06:51.56 | Jerub | turns out it'd been the recommended build for a very long time (since some content patch) but my resto spec didn't get the memo |
| 06:52.23 | Jerub | http://www.wowhead.com/spell=16880 |
| 06:52.26 | mitch0 | jerub: what talent is it? |
| 06:52.33 | airtonix | yeah they don't send memos to lukewarm@hotmail.com anymore |
| 06:52.47 | unfo- | airtonix, yeah. i agree with GC's post. people judge you based on metrics that don't often give a proper idea of what kind of a player you are |
| 06:53.02 | Jerub | mitch0: 20% haste boost when casting direct heal spells |
| 06:53.05 | airtonix | welcome to puberty |
| 06:53.09 | mitch0 | ah |
| 06:53.12 | Jerub | which depends on a talent for increasing nourish crit. |
| 06:53.43 | Jerub | by not having either of them i was nerfing my spam healing capability for emergency tank healing or VDW by about 15% all up |
| 06:53.53 | mitch0 | I have full resto now :) (as of lvl 46) |
| 06:53.56 | airtonix | so now you can justify the dipping bird ? |
| 06:54.27 | Jerub | airtonix: i can't play whackamole with a dipping bird |
| 06:54.32 | airtonix | of course you can |
| 06:54.34 | nebula | ba ba ba bird bird bird, bird is the word |
| 06:54.39 | airtonix | get 102 dipping birds |
| 06:54.54 | Jerub | but i can now cast nourish with a 0.9s cast time :) |
| 06:55.21 | airtonix | does that make you feel warm in the deep parts ? |
| 06:55.53 | mitch0 | jerub: is regrowth used at all after you get nourish? |
| 06:57.30 | Jerub | mitch0: uh, i'm light on my regrowth usage. |
| 06:57.45 | Jerub | it's rejuv nourish nourish nourish to spam heal someone. |
| 06:58.01 | mitch0 | swiftmend? |
| 06:58.06 | Jerub | i use RG when someone has damage and is taking damage slowly, or has damage and has a lot of hots. |
| 06:58.39 | Jerub | i use SM reactively. someone with RJ on them already has taken a lot of damage, so i use a GCD for SM then rejuv another target that needs my help |
| 06:58.59 | Jerub | or, if it's one target, i may throw SM in. |
| 06:59.34 | Jerub | like, say if i'm healing someone and they take a massive hit, i'll SM to reverse it instantly. |
| 06:59.37 | mitch0 | and the "big heal" (forgot its name) is not used much, right? (not even talented) |
| 06:59.46 | Jerub | healing touch? no. not used. |
| 07:00.07 | Jerub | faster/cheaper/better to use nourish on rj targets |
| 07:00.32 | Jerub | interestingly, T11 emphasises Lifebloom heaps |
| 07:00.44 | Jerub | which is something i use for tank healing now, but it's being hugely buffed |
| 07:01.00 | mitch0 | my main is stuck at T3 or so :) so T11 is not that interesting for me at the moment ;) |
| 07:01.56 | zenzio | wish I had the T3 :-( |
| 07:02.05 | zenzio | the recoloured ones just don't look cool |
| 07:02.18 | Jerub | i wish you ever saw druid armor sets. |
| 07:02.26 | zenzio | I did |
| 07:02.30 | Jerub | (yay tree healing in cata) |
| 07:02.31 | zenzio | we used to call our main druid "moose" |
| 07:02.43 | Jerub | oooh, i have those hats from ony |
| 07:02.44 | Jerub | same model |
| 07:03.15 | mitch0 | jerub: could you link your resto spec for me? |
| 07:04.27 | Jerub | my talent tree? |
| 07:04.32 | mitch0 | yeah |
| 07:04.36 | Jerub | http://www.wowhead.com/talent#0VG0uZZf0IubuxVuqIsVo:xkLm0z |
| 07:04.45 | mitch0 | thanks |
| 07:05.08 | Torhal | slaps Fisker around a bit with German versions of violent games. |
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| 07:32.20 | zenzio | "If Deathwing at the end of Cataclysm (spoiler!)" - lol |
| 07:33.47 | unfo- | ? |
| 07:34.06 | flyhard | that is a Ghostcrawler quote... |
| 07:34.44 | flyhard | from the collection of todays blueposts |
| 07:34.53 | unfo- | ah kk |
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| 07:48.07 | Adys | http://xkcd.com/796/ |
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| 07:59.21 | zenzio | "do you think wotlk was the worst expac ever?" |
| 07:59.37 | zenzio | sounds a bit premature to ask after only two expansions |
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| 08:07.13 | zenzio | http://clientsfromhell.net/post/1161908678/client-do-you-do-easter-eggs-you-know-hidden |
| 08:09.09 | unfo- | zenzio, >_> |
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| 08:23.15 | Fisker | i'm sick zenzio |
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| 08:31.57 | zenzio | for those of you who enjoy puns: http://cheezfailbooking.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/f0f57f25-aab2-4c56-bac6-bc6395c4883c.jpg |
| 08:32.37 | Cairenn | lol |
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| 08:45.45 | jnwhiteh | why is it such a pain in the ass to install redmine =/ |
| 08:45.56 | jnwhiteh | Has anyone here used the fossil dscm? |
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| 09:01.12 | zenzio | http://theoatmeal.com/comics/literally |
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| 09:22.43 | airtonix | redmine sucks arse |
| 09:23.28 | cbreak_work | what is it good for? |
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| 09:27.38 | airtonix | It's supposed to be a project management package |
| 09:27.50 | airtonix | gant charts etc |
| 09:29.06 | jnwhiteh | its really good for monitoring/viewing SCM and managing issues |
| 09:29.11 | jnwhiteh | even if you don't use the project management shit =) |
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| 09:43.23 | amro | jnwhiteh: it's not just redmine that's a giant pain to install |
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| 09:43.43 | jnwhiteh | indeed |
| 09:43.51 | jnwhiteh | just dunno why so much is required for a stupid RoR app |
| 09:44.04 | amro | I failed hard at setting up gitorious |
| 09:44.11 | amro | well, everything worked, except actually pushing code |
| 09:44.31 | jnwhiteh | you didn't get the gitosis stuff set up? |
| 09:44.38 | jnwhiteh | that's the easy part =) |
| 09:45.04 | amro | it was rejecting pushes for lack of permissions |
| 09:45.09 | amro | and I couldn't figure out why |
| 09:45.46 | jnwhiteh | odd |
| 09:46.08 | amro | the rest of it was also a major pain |
| 09:46.30 | amro | all the modularity with pulling in ror apps and whatnot is supposed to be easy |
| 09:46.36 | amro | instead it's just more conf files to dig through :/ |
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| 10:21.30 | laeg | is it through the there will no more pvp mutprep rogues in cata because you have to get to a top talent in one tree before talenting another one? |
| 10:25.19 | A-KO | If you say it like that, then yes. |
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| 10:25.43 | A-KO | You will have to get the top tier talent (31-point) in one tree before another. That said, even without that, the talent trees are changing so drastically that the previous spec that you are considering is gone. |
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| 11:08.01 | zenzio | "You're taking several talents with no +damage benefit and calling them dps talents because they may lead to higher dps. But under that argument even +health talents are dps because you're likely to do higher dps when you're alive." |
| 11:08.03 | zenzio | good point |
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| 11:14.49 | Humbedooh | "wheeee" |
| 11:14.55 | Humbedooh | SVG support for WoW :3 |
| 11:16.57 | Spejnar | I play with the mentally that if I can do crazyinsane dps(usually aoe on trash) and die, it was worth it.. |
| 11:17.06 | Spejnar | not the dying part ofc |
| 11:18.40 | zenzio | SVG support for WoW? o_O |
| 11:18.56 | Humbedooh | I was bored :\ |
| 11:18.57 | zenzio | im in ur layers showing layered images |
| 11:23.25 | Fisker | they should start supporting vector fonts |
| 11:23.29 | Fisker | or whatever you call them |
| 11:23.44 | Humbedooh | or just svg! |
| 11:34.32 | Wobin | so.. is youtube broken for anyone else? |
| 11:37.47 | zenzio | works for me |
| 11:37.58 | Wobin | I keep getting 'Error has occurred' |
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| 11:55.05 | industrial | http://i.imgur.com/fmkk2.jpg |
| 11:55.56 | zenzio | industrial: that's cool |
| 11:59.52 | jadakren | http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ |
| 12:01.47 | Wobin | jadakren: the -site- isn't down |
| 12:01.52 | Wobin | but the videos won't play |
| 12:03.11 | industrial | Very strong/confronting. I like this. http://blogs.trb.com/news/opinion/chanlowe/blog/flags2.gif |
| 12:03.30 | industrial | Keeping things real. :-) |
| 12:04.09 | jadakren | as opposed to holding it down |
| 12:04.18 | jadakren | btw it's the middle one |
| 12:10.48 | Mihau | All of the above! |
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| 12:32.30 | jadakren | spooner |
| 12:35.14 | laeg | *true even |
| 12:35.46 | laeg | has anyone been playing rogue on the cat beta? |
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| 12:41.23 | jadakren | legomylegrol |
| 12:49.29 | jadakren | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:52.35 | Kraps | jadakren: i was gonna say the middle one! |
| 12:53.43 | jadakren | DP |
| 12:54.13 | Kraps | industrial: thing is gays are already allowed in the military |
| 12:55.20 | jadakren | yeah they just stop talking with a lisp |
| 12:55.34 | jadakren | "Welcome to the service Son!" |
| 12:56.13 | jadakren | It's like the stoning scene in Life of Brian |
| 12:56.42 | zenzio | "Are there any homosexuals here?" (paraphrased) |
| 12:57.07 | jadakren | hilarity |
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| 12:58.16 | Fisker | windows xp is stupid for still having the 255 characters in your path restriction |
| 12:58.24 | Torhal | "To the back of the line with you!" |
| 12:58.28 | mikma | http://media.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2010/september/returngraveyard.jpg |
| 12:58.59 | Fisker | it's a wonder they didn't come up with it earlier |
| 12:59.19 | jadakren | Boubouille |
| 12:59.25 | zenzio | that's a good feature |
| 13:00.08 | Kraps | Fisker: there are a tone of things in cata that are like "wtf it took 5 years to think of this?" |
| 13:00.13 | Kraps | ton* |
| 13:00.36 | Kraps | like tracking multiple things |
| 13:00.36 | unfo- | hmmm. i wonder if i should ween myself off of too many addons... like using regular actionbars and unit frames |
| 13:01.02 | jadakren | !offtopic |
| 13:04.30 | Kraps | is my friend right in saying that i should have gotten 64-bit windows when i got my computer? |
| 13:06.07 | zenzio | Kraps: unless your CPU doesn't do 64-bit, I'd say he is |
| 13:06.30 | Kraps | how would i check that? |
| 13:06.45 | zenzio | when did you get your computer? |
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| 13:08.04 | zenzio | I believe most CPUs for the last few years have supported 64-bit |
| 13:08.20 | alestane | "Should" means a lot of things. Is he asserting that your manufacturer should have sold the computer with 64-bit windows? Or that you would have been wise to get the 64-bit version? |
| 13:08.43 | Wobin | Kraps: the main reason is there's a RAM limit on 32bit machines |
| 13:08.50 | jadakren | i like to derail these threads by mentioning in use a 36bit os |
| 13:08.56 | alestane | The Core2 and other derivative series like i7 are all 64-bit processors AFAIK, yes. |
| 13:09.05 | sylvanaar_atwork | how about a 2-bit os |
| 13:09.27 | jadakren | alestane, not all core2duos are b4bit |
| 13:09.27 | Kraps | alestane: the latter |
| 13:09.43 | Adys | a 3rd and 4th for worms? |
| 13:09.46 | Adys | cide/shirik/whoever |
| 13:09.55 | jadakren | sylvanaar, quiet peasant. users of ipads have irrelevant arguments |
| 13:10.31 | mikma | http://www.thesuperficial.com/lindsay-lohan-might-do-30-days-in-jail-09-2010 |
| 13:11.33 | Arrowmaster | jadakren: theres 'core duos' and 'core 2 duos' first is 32bit second is 64bit |
| 13:11.40 | alestane | Wikipedia says that the original Core Solo and Core Duo were 32-bit, but that since the Core2 it's been 64-bit. |
| 13:13.00 | jadakren | so if lshw | grep cpu reveals that the string contains : x86-64 |
| 13:13.07 | jadakren | core2 ? |
| 13:13.22 | Kraps | zenzio: Ship Date: 9/12/2008 |
| 13:13.41 | zenzio | Kraps: I'd hazard a guess that your CPU is 64-bit then |
| 13:14.00 | mikma | haste: http://www.geekologie.com/2010/09/mother_nature_youre_a_trip_aur.php |
| 13:14.02 | Kraps | CR457Processor, Q6600, 2.4, 8MB, Core Duo Kentsfield |
| 13:14.18 | Arrowmaster | 32bit |
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| 13:14.50 | jadakren | Arrowmaster, my cpu is core2duo... |
| 13:14.53 | jadakren | but |
| 13:15.01 | zenzio | I must be out of touch with things |
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| 13:15.15 | jadakren | e6550 |
| 13:16.43 | Arrowmaster | actually Kraps that might be 64bit, its weird because it says kentsfield but that was a core2quad codename |
| 13:17.02 | sylvanaar_atwork | i had that q6600 i think |
| 13:17.20 | sylvanaar_atwork | it was 64 bit iirc |
| 13:17.35 | Arrowmaster | yeah it should be, just why does it say core duo |
| 13:17.38 | zenzio | Googling only "q6600" gives (as far as I can see) only Core 2 Quads |
| 13:18.21 | zenzio | Kraps: open task manager and go to the... performance or whatever tab. How many cores does it show? |
| 13:18.26 | sylvanaar_atwork | really though 64 bit is a like, the instuction sets are 32bit, just has 64 bit registers and addressing |
| 13:18.32 | sylvanaar_atwork | s/like/lie/ |
| 13:18.40 | Kraps | 4 |
| 13:19.03 | zenzio | then I do believe it is in fact a Core 2 Quad |
| 13:19.05 | Kraps | system info says core 2 quad |
| 13:19.37 | unfo- | afaik quads are 64bit |
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| 13:20.23 | Kraps | would 64-bit make games run better :p |
| 13:21.07 | alestane | Only 64-bit-capable games. |
| 13:21.26 | alestane | snuggles with Cairenn. |
| 13:21.39 | zenzio | Kraps: how much RAM do you have? |
| 13:21.39 | sylvanaar_atwork | 64 bit means more data to push around |
| 13:21.46 | Kalroth | just like it's only multi-threaded games that benefit from multiple cores, right?! |
| 13:22.08 | Kraps | zenzio: 4gb |
| 13:22.10 | malreth | sylvanaar_atwork: 64-bit also means being *able* to push more data around |
| 13:22.11 | unfo- | Kraps, just giving you the ability to a) get more ram b) get complaints "This application does not support 64-bit windows" :D |
| 13:22.24 | alestane | WoW, for instance, can use two cores, but the rest will go wanting. They'll only help you also run other programs at the same time. |
| 13:23.13 | Torhal | Kalroth: If your OS scheduler is multi-threaded, it will also help game performance by offloading tasks onto more idle cores. |
| 13:23.20 | zenzio | I read somewhere that devices with memory (like your video card) lower your max addressable RAM; so 64-bit would help there |
| 13:23.37 | Torhal | But that's only if you have a bunch of applications open at once :D |
| 13:23.54 | zenzio | true, make that "could" instead of "would" |
| 13:24.06 | Torhal | Indeed. |
| 13:24.29 | zenzio | but it would mean you could leave your browser open with all your porn tabs when your raid starts! |
| 13:24.47 | Torhal | Woor! |
| 13:25.03 | Kraps | it says "4 GB (3 GB usable)" |
| 13:25.14 | Torhal | 32-bit mang. |
| 13:26.11 | Ackis | Torhal: why so away on msn? |
| 13:26.21 | Ackis | 32 bit's Kraps across the face. |
| 13:26.24 | zenzio | he's hiding from you Ackis |
| 13:26.38 | Ackis | he just apears offline then |
| 13:27.25 | Kraps | i'm apparently using almost half of the available ram |
| 13:27.31 | Torhal | Ackis: Because it went to Away when I went to sleep, and I have it set to -not- change status when my cat moves my trackball or steps on my keyboard. |
| 13:27.58 | zenzio | wow, I didn't know MSN had such fine-grained status settings :-o |
| 13:28.13 | Torhal | zenzio: It's Kopete. And it doesn't. :D |
| 13:28.15 | Ackis | Torhal: but your cat could end up talking to my cat? |
| 13:28.30 | Torhal | Ackis: That would result in Skynet. |
| 13:28.38 | Ackis | poor Sarah Connor |
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| 13:28.59 | Torhal | Ackis: Bah. She's pulling double-duty on Weeds and Chuck. |
| 13:29.04 | Kraps | and firefox is a resource hog |
| 13:29.09 | Ackis | I don't watch those shows |
| 13:29.12 | Ackis | has taste |
| 13:29.16 | Ackis | watches Pokemon |
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| 13:30.23 | sylvanaar_atwork | http://www.betanews.com/article/Firefox-4-beta-loses-to-IE9-beta-in-browser-speed-efficiency-tests/ |
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| 13:30.46 | Kraps | lol wow |
| 13:30.56 | Kraps | Content not found? |
| 13:30.59 | Ackis | Torhal: I didn't play my xbox last night |
| 13:31.04 | zenzio | "Here's taking a guess... you're mistaking MMO for MMORPG? Because SC2 is certainly just as much of an MMO as WoW is..." -- I wouldn't go that far... |
| 13:31.19 | Torhal | Ackis: You played with your GF's box instead? |
| 13:31.31 | sylvanaar_atwork | http://www.betanews.com/article/Firefox-4-beta-loses-to-IE9-beta-in-browser-speed-efficiency-tests/1285101680?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+bn+%28Betanews+Full+Content+Feed+-+BN%29 |
| 13:31.35 | Ackis | Torhal: no, Civ 5.. she played FFXIII on the xobx |
| 13:31.41 | sylvanaar_atwork | i guess i shortened it too much |
| 13:31.47 | Torhal | Heh |
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| 13:31.52 | zenzio | I assume you only left out the ID |
| 13:32.18 | zenzio | I wonder what these utm_-parameters are... I see them on many links |
| 13:32.30 | Ackis | started a marathon game, small map on immortal as the English. |
| 13:32.35 | Arrowmaster | feedburner adds them |
| 13:32.39 | Torhal | That's a special "Under The Moon" marker, for Twilight fans. |
| 13:32.48 | zenzio | Torhal: lol |
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| 13:32.59 | Ackis | Torhal: what team are you? |
| 13:33.17 | Torhal | Ackis: Don't make me ship Fisker to your home. |
| 13:33.32 | Ackis | I think you're teamiwishiwasinedward |
| 13:33.57 | Torhal | ... |
| 13:34.17 | Ackis | owned by the truth |
| 13:34.40 | Torhal | No, I just have nothing to say to your projections. |
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| 13:35.38 | Ackis | no I owned you |
| 13:35.41 | Ackis | you're stumped |
| 13:35.46 | Ackis | it's like "The truth is out there" |
| 13:36.46 | Kraps | anyone here have a system that doesnt drop into the low 20s fps in elwynn forest on high graphics settings? |
| 13:37.13 | zenzio | at what resolution? |
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| 13:40.27 | Kraps | hmm maybe it just happens on the ptr |
| 13:40.44 | Kraps | live seems ok |
| 13:41.13 | Kraps | 1680x1050 windowed |
| 13:41.34 | Torhal | Kraps: PTR has SUNSHAFTS! |
| 13:41.37 | Torhal | :D |
| 13:41.47 | Ackis | you would like shafts Torhal |
| 13:42.05 | Torhal | Ackis: In your ass. |
| 13:42.33 | zenzio | while I'm not religious, I prefer the term "god rays" over "sun shafts" |
| 13:43.27 | Ackis | alert: Canadians netflix.ca |
| 13:44.35 | Kalroth | Torhal, regarding multithreading comment earlier: I was trying to be sarcastic :) |
| 13:45.07 | Kraps | GTS450 is only $129 |
| 13:45.35 | Torhal | Kalroth: Sarcasm + Internet == Hilarity Ensues. |
| 13:45.56 | Kalroth | We need a SarcMark, if only someone would invent and charge money for that! |
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| 13:46.23 | zenzio | I have unofficially made !! the sarcasm mark |
| 13:46.29 | zenzio | it's awesome!! |
| 13:46.51 | Kalroth | Yup, I use "?!" for sarcastic questions and "!!" for sarcastic remarks |
| 13:46.52 | Torhal | No, zenzio, it's awesome!!!!! |
| 13:47.21 | Kalroth | But I was being sarcastic because some 32-bit software actually runs faster in an 64-bit environment |
| 13:47.52 | Kraps | theres a blog i follow where commenters use / after a sarcastic remark |
| 13:48.06 | Kalroth | That doesn't make sense |
| 13:48.07 | zenzio | Kraps: really? |
| 13:48.23 | Kraps | on the next line |
| 13:48.35 | Kalroth | That sounds like an awesome idea |
| 13:48.38 | Kalroth | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:48.47 | Kraps | exactly |
| 13:49.00 | Kraps | it works though |
| 13:49.27 | zenzio | to this very day, whenever we speak of sarcasm, I picture the comic book guy in Simpsons going "A sarcasm detector? That's reeeeally useful!" |
| 13:49.39 | Kalroth | Sure, it works if your audience knows about it |
| 13:49.47 | Kalroth | Otherwise it'll just make you look dumb |
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| 13:50.06 | amro | Kraps: the S stands for shit |
| 13:50.46 | Kraps | ... thats the highest priced midlevel nvidia card |
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| 13:51.11 | Kraps | for desktops |
| 13:51.26 | amro | regardless, GTS cards fail |
| 13:51.43 | amro | they're chips that barely qualify |
| 13:51.50 | Kraps | i have 2x NVIDIA GeForce 9800 GT |
| 13:52.06 | amro | that's probably better than a gts450 |
| 13:52.26 | amro | invest in the long term with video cards |
| 13:52.26 | Kraps | really?? |
| 13:52.45 | amro | what's giving you trouble about your video card? |
| 13:52.50 | amro | +s |
| 13:53.47 | Kraps | nothing, i'm just a loser whos never happy with what he has |
| 13:53.59 | Kalroth | http://sarcasmdetector.ytmnd.com/ aw, where did zenzio go |
| 13:54.18 | amro | I suggest you wait until you actually need to replace your card |
| 13:54.38 | amro | you don't want to end up with a deadend card that can't be updated to support newer features |
| 13:55.12 | Kraps | amro: i wasnt gonna buy anything, i just like looking at the shiny |
| 13:55.16 | amro | ah |
| 13:55.27 | Torhal | Kraps: Go window-shopping at Best Buy. |
| 13:55.30 | Humbedooh | the shiiinyyyy |
| 13:56.13 | Kraps | Torhal: what do they offer that the internets dont have? |
| 13:56.32 | Humbedooh | actual people? |
| 13:56.39 | Kraps | pfft |
| 13:56.40 | Humbedooh | girls? |
| 13:56.45 | Humbedooh | booze? |
| 13:57.02 | Kraps | Best Buy has booze?! |
| 13:57.07 | Humbedooh | it might! |
| 13:57.53 | jadakren | other customers |
| 13:58.03 | Humbedooh | bleh, I hateses transform tags in svg :\ |
| 13:58.23 | jadakren | i hate that you think we care enough that you think you ought to mention it |
| 13:58.38 | Humbedooh | now I got all my purrdy beizer curves and whatnot lined up and then those silly SVG editors have to offset all coordinates by -952 just for the fun of it |
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| 14:07.04 | mikma | riiight |
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| 14:14.35 | Kraps | amro: are GTX cards good? |
| 14:21.01 | DWSR | blah. |
| 14:21.09 | DWSR | Anyone here using the unofficial XChat build for Windows? |
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| 14:25.25 | amro | Kraps: yes |
| 14:25.51 | amro | unless they changed it, GTX is top of the line |
| 14:26.41 | DWSR | amro: GTX+ |
| 14:26.47 | DWSR | factory OCed cards. |
| 14:26.57 | amro | same chipset though |
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| 14:27.41 | DWSR | Yeah, but for a user who doesn't want to putz with timings, they're better. |
| 14:28.12 | amro | indeed, but I'm talking about what nvidia makes |
| 14:28.33 | amro | the OCing is done by the card assembler right? |
| 14:31.52 | DWSR | Pretty sure, yes. |
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| 14:40.45 | Kraps | SC2 patch 1.1 is out |
| 14:41.22 | Kraps | terran nerfs |
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| 14:41.48 | DWSR | yes. |
| 14:41.52 | DWSR | And zealot nerfs. |
| 14:41.57 | DWSR | and zerg buffs. |
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| 14:42.31 | Kraps | also an ingame timer |
| 14:42.37 | Kraps | massive QQ |
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| 14:59.25 | batrick | zerg didn't get nerfed? |
| 14:59.42 | batrick | have you seen the bugs about the ultralisk? |
| 14:59.48 | batrick | it's a good day to be zerg in the end game :) |
| 15:02.49 | Ackis | if you're going to buy new shoes, if you buy adidas shoes you get an xbox 360 avatar item /facepalm |
| 15:03.49 | sylvanaar_atwork | did you guys see they are seelling all jira/fish/et al for $10 each |
| 15:04.03 | sylvanaar_atwork | http://www.atlassian.com/starter/all.jsp |
| 15:04.28 | Arrowmaster | Ackis: wtf |
| 15:05.49 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: seriously |
| 15:05.59 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: http://www.themexbox.com/index.php?topic=1852.0 |
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| 15:23.12 | Fisker | i want to be safe kd3|netbook |
| 15:25.15 | Ackis | Fisker: can you shave my back for me? |
| 15:26.51 | Adys | I love my laptop. |
| 15:27.03 | Adys | 41 days uptime and it's cold as if it were shut off |
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| 15:28.06 | Fisker | i wish Ackis |
| 15:28.12 | Humbedooh | but is it turned on? :\ |
| 15:28.16 | Fisker | do you come to me or do i come to you? |
| 15:28.17 | Adys | of course |
| 15:28.30 | Adys | i never put it to sleep |
| 15:28.44 | Adys | not that i dont want to, i broke sleep mode and i cba to fix |
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| 15:29.22 | Adys | afk sleep |
| 15:29.31 | Ackis | good night sweet prince |
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| 15:32.21 | Ackis | http://www.boston.com/yourtown/wellesley/articles/2010/09/22/mosque_trip_violated_rights_lawyer_says/ |
| 15:32.52 | Ackis | If everyone keeps spouting off this violates my rights, that violates my rights, won't it end up that you won't have any rights for fear of infringing on another persons rights? |
| 15:35.37 | Wobin | sylvanaar_atwork: I'd tout Atlassian products =) 95% of my guild works there =) |
| 15:36.14 | sylvanaar_atwork | why dont we have someone hosting fisheye for us for a repo browser |
| 15:36.57 | sylvanaar_atwork | it works will svn, git and hg right? |
| 15:37.20 | Wobin | yeah |
| 15:37.46 | TekNoir | Bowing one's head doesn't necessarily mean an outright inner acceptance of a faith. |
| 15:38.06 | Wobin | sylvanaar_atwork: possibly because curse is not a nonprofit |
| 15:38.12 | Fisker | Ackis |
| 15:38.17 | Fisker | wanna hear some good music? |
| 15:38.25 | Fisker | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVPtWJmmq0I |
| 15:38.33 | sylvanaar_atwork | Wobin: but one of us could host it no? |
| 15:38.53 | alestane | Also, does that mean they'll be violating the kids' civil rights by taking them to a church or synagogue or grove or whatever? It sort of has to. |
| 15:39.01 | sylvanaar_atwork | as an opt-in type thing |
| 15:39.09 | Wobin | http://www.atlassian.com/software/fisheye/licensing.jsp#nonprofit |
| 15:39.31 | Wobin | if you're looking at the free licensing, that's about the only way |
| 15:40.12 | Wobin | anyhoo, night all |
| 15:40.13 | sylvanaar_atwork | i could run a fisheye server that read my curse repos according to that license |
| 15:40.21 | sylvanaar_atwork | i think |
| 15:40.31 | Fisker | Wobin |
| 15:40.38 | Fisker | listen to some awesome music |
| 15:40.56 | Wobin | I would, but my sound is currently borked |
| 15:41.07 | Wobin | and pause/skips every two seconds |
| 15:41.34 | Fisker | you fail |
| 15:42.31 | TekNoir | In summation: blah blah blah blah. blah blah blah. blah blah blah blah. |
| 15:42.37 | Ackis | alestane: yeah that's how I read it... society sucks eh? |
| 15:43.59 | alestane | Well, I had a Christian coworker who always grouched about how teaching kids diversity meant teaching them everything EXCEPT Christianity, even impartially. (That is, "These are Christian beliefs", rather than "believe this.") |
| 15:44.32 | alestane | So now I guess we just don't teach them about religious diversity, at least if this suit goes through. |
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| 15:48.22 | Cairenn | station |
| 15:48.26 | Lunessa | station. :) |
| 15:48.55 | TC-Work | house |
| 15:52.21 | alestane | So did you get Civilization V, Lunessa? |
| 15:52.44 | Lunessa | alestane: No. Once I buy it, expect me to vanish for at least a week. |
| 15:52.49 | TC-Work | you know, civ v is both fun and rather childish feeling |
| 15:53.39 | Lunessa | I still lose entire days to any version of Civ I happen to play. Except the iPhone one. Which was pretty weak. |
| 15:54.23 | TC-Work | and i would love to know why such a sedate game truns my computer into hash |
| 15:54.27 | TC-Work | turns* |
| 15:54.38 | Ackis | Lunessa: did you try civ revoluitions? |
| 15:55.25 | alestane | Doesn't that require a PS3? |
| 15:55.26 | nicoli_s | TC-Work:if you have discobvered computer into hash technology hook me up |
| 15:55.45 | TC-Work | nicoli_s: not 'a' hash |
| 15:55.54 | Ackis | alestane: not sure about ps3 but xbox I know |
| 15:56.05 | Kraps | lol Idra is an ass http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=138967¤tpage=41#813 |
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| 15:57.55 | Lunessa | Ackis: That was a Civ IV expansion right? If so, I have it, but haven't installed it. |
| 15:58.26 | Ackis | Lunessa: no it's the console based Civ game |
| 15:58.50 | Lunessa | Ackis: No, then I haven't. I don't own any consoles, and haven't since I sold my PS2 in 2003. |
| 15:59.39 | Ackis | ah wasn't sure if you did or not, I haven't played it, apparently it's "good" |
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| 16:01.05 | nicoli_s | i hear revolutions is fun |
| 16:01.55 | Lunessa | The thing is, I don't even own a TV, let alone a console to hook up to it. The internet supplies /most/ of my entertainment and informational needs. And I haven't felt like laying out to buy /another/ computer (console) expressly for playing games which cost $50 a pop. |
| 16:02.01 | bediko | is there any up to date alternative to wowbench somewhere to find? |
| 16:02.14 | Lunessa | bediko: Nope. |
| 16:02.20 | Ackis | is wondering if Netflix.ca will replace cable |
| 16:02.29 | Fisker | yo dawgs Ackis |
| 16:02.33 | bediko | grml |
| 16:02.34 | Fisker | when do you get here? |
| 16:02.39 | Lunessa | Netflix streaming has been pretty handy for me. |
| 16:02.43 | TC-Work | Lunessa: console -> computer |
| 16:02.55 | Ackis | Lunessa: can you stream on 2 different devices at once? |
| 16:03.14 | Lunessa | Ackis: I don't know. Never tried. I can only pay attention to one movie at a time. |
| 16:03.39 | Lunessa | TC-Work: As in hack an XBox to run Linux? |
| 16:03.47 | Ackis | Lunessa: fiancee and me might want to watch 2 diff things |
| 16:04.26 | Lunessa | Ackis: You can try it. Also, netflix has smartphone apps so you can manage your queue and stuff on the go. |
| 16:04.46 | Ackis | queue? |
| 16:04.57 | Ackis | the Canadian version is only streaming |
| 16:05.11 | TC-Work | Lunessa: no i mean you can play a console through your computer |
| 16:05.25 | TC-Work | i have the ps2 through mine....not that i ever play it |
| 16:05.34 | Lunessa | TC-Work: Ah. |
| 16:06.33 | Lunessa | I used to play a lot of Neverwinter Nights on PS2, but game controllers are uncomfortable after short play, and games were pretty expensive for limited enjoyment. |
| 16:12.17 | bediko | why noone programmed in 5 years an offline wow interface for addon testing :/ and why i am too stupid to do this by myself? |
| 16:13.15 | amro | bediko: someone did |
| 16:13.24 | amro | Mikk's wowbench |
| 16:13.29 | amro | but it was abandoned around 1.11 |
| 16:13.37 | alestane | Because producing something that renders everything correctly and sends the right sequences of events isn't actually trivial. |
| 16:13.49 | alestane | It's just easier to use WoW most of the time. |
| 16:13.57 | amro | yeah |
| 16:14.03 | amro | servers are only down a few hours a week |
| 16:14.14 | amro | only Mikk was crazy enough to try :P |
| 16:14.22 | Ackis | crazy or dumb enough? ;) |
| 16:14.34 | amro | considering he succeded, I wouldn't say dumb |
| 16:14.40 | durcyn | cvs (shudder) checkout wowlua, luac -l -p | grep "YOU FUCKED UP" |
| 16:15.34 | bediko | nah the problem is im coding on a laptop which cant play wow :/ |
| 16:17.11 | durcyn | no, really, it's better than nothing: http://luaforge.net/projects/lua-wow/ |
| 16:18.42 | amro | CVS? really? |
| 16:18.54 | amro | might as well store your code on floppies at an actual CVS store |
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| 16:22.40 | nicoli_s | lol |
| 16:24.15 | Ackis | what do you do when a buddy of yours always IM's you while he's pooping? |
| 16:24.56 | Adys | tweet his IMs |
| 16:26.20 | Ackis | aren't you sleeping? |
| 16:26.35 | Adys | foff. |
| 16:26.39 | Adys | afk. |
| 16:29.52 | nicoli_s | Ackis:wait until you have his schedule down and rob him blind |
| 16:30.13 | TC-Work | Ackis: do facetime |
| 16:30.15 | Ackis | nah he said he was going to bed about an hour ago |
| 16:32.08 | Ackis | I don't know what facetime is |
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| 16:33.37 | nicoli_s | the ipod video chat |
| 16:34.20 | TC-Work | well it's turning into the generic term for face to face video chat |
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| 16:35.37 | Lunessa | Ackis: Ewwww |
| 16:36.18 | kd3|netbook | gack. can't believe I left my charger cable at home |
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| 16:37.24 | Lunessa | So, I looked at my AT&T upgrade options to an iPhone 4, and AT&T wants $499 for the 32gb model. *shakes his fist in anger* |
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| 16:38.17 | nevcairiel | and thats the reduced price for renewing your contract in the process? :p |
| 16:39.37 | Lunessa | Yeah. WTF? |
| 16:40.11 | nevcairiel | I paid even less for my phone, without contract bindings. But thats what the apple logo costs |
| 16:40.16 | Lunessa | That's *due at shipping* - Really AT&T? REALLY? I can get a laptop for that. |
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| 16:40.30 | Lunessa | The phone costs less from Apple. |
| 16:41.44 | nevcairiel | Its 699 from apple without any contracts, 299 with a fresh 2 year contract with AT&T |
| 16:42.51 | mikma | aww, what the heck, here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNAdtkSjSps |
| 16:43.24 | mikma | first i thought that indi and haste would only like it, now i think you others might like it too |
| 16:44.27 | Lunessa | nevcairiel: Basically, they're saying to me, "take it up the pooper with a razor blade" so I said "guess my iPhone 3G is good for another year+" |
| 16:44.59 | Torhal | Lunessa: By that time, the new iPhone will be out! |
| 16:45.06 | Torhal | *boggle* |
| 16:45.25 | Lunessa | Torhal: And likely on other networks, and my contract will be up. |
| 16:46.41 | durcyn | all they really have to say is "verizon's even worse than us, stick around" |
| 16:47.29 | durcyn | and by worse i mean literally made out of pure concentrated greed and evil with a side of ineptitude |
| 16:48.14 | Lunessa | I've had T-Mobile, Verizon, and AT&T over the last 5 years. So far only AT&T gets me a signal here at work. I'm hoping that will change. |
| 16:48.47 | nevcairiel | the US is just too big :p |
| 16:53.56 | Lunessa | Yeah, infrastructure is expensive to build. It takes time and lots of cash. Then one day you wake up and there's service where it wasn't before. Just sucks in the meantime. |
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| 17:00.35 | Fisker | slaps cogwheel around a bit with a large trout |
| 17:01.10 | cogwheel | slaps Fisker around a bit with Froyo on his Droid X |
| 17:01.16 | Fisker | slaps cogwheel around a bit with a large trout |
| 17:01.21 | Fisker | droid sucks |
| 17:01.31 | cogwheel | rawr |
| 17:02.56 | Kraps | cogwheel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWyO5Vq82hs&feature=channel |
| 17:03.17 | cogwheel | yeah i'm subbed to him :) |
| 17:03.44 | Kraps | ah |
| 17:03.46 | cogwheel | also SC2 needs a ptr |
| 17:03.56 | Kraps | lol? |
| 17:04.04 | amro | sc2 needs chat channels |
| 17:04.15 | cogwheel | patch 1.1 had some really "obvious" bugs |
| 17:04.28 | amro | they're called zerg |
| 17:04.32 | cogwheel | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Px0zB9_ePmI |
| 17:04.35 | cogwheel | ~rimshot |
| 17:04.35 | purl | badum-TISH! |
| 17:04.38 | cogwheel | ~amro++ |
| 17:05.16 | cogwheel | Kraps: did you see the funday monday day9 daily? |
| 17:05.28 | Kraps | maybe its not a bug :p |
| 17:05.40 | Kraps | no |
| 17:05.48 | cogwheel | it is a bug |
| 17:05.57 | cogwheel | neth confirmed |
| 17:05.59 | amro | a beautiful one |
| 17:06.02 | Fisker | i wonder will happens to tournaments? |
| 17:06.12 | Fisker | kinda sucks having a major patch in the middle of a tournament |
| 17:06.27 | cogwheel | Kraps: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvpxSAZrGV0 (if you've got ~1 hr to kill... pretty full of lawl) |
| 17:06.28 | Fisker | especially when it have bugs |
| 17:06.59 | amro | cogwheel: you only play zerg? |
| 17:07.10 | cogwheel | atm yeah |
| 17:07.21 | cogwheel | considering changing to random to help support my LFMF series :P |
| 17:07.56 | Fisker | LFMF is the abbreviation helping the cancer kill the internet cogwheel |
| 17:08.08 | Kraps | LFMF? |
| 17:08.13 | cogwheel | learn from my fail |
| 17:08.24 | cogwheel | http://www.youtube.com/user/cogwheel42 |
| 17:08.29 | amro | epic stuff |
| 17:08.50 | amro | we should do a game sometime |
| 17:09.45 | Napoleone | why cant i find a easy tutorial fr a messageframe. i dont get the font part. |
| 17:10.56 | sylvanaar_atwork | a scrollingmessageframe? |
| 17:11.11 | Napoleone | well its for displaying guild chat |
| 17:11.37 | Napoleone | and only guildchat. but getting it made is the hardest for me. since i know the eventcode and shit for it lol.. i just cant get it to "show" |
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| 17:13.31 | cogwheel | thinking of doing a live recording for my next cast |
| 17:13.51 | cogwheel | talking while playing should ensure some hefty fail |
| 17:14.20 | cogwheel | either that or it will help me gather my thoughts... |
| 17:14.23 | Fisker | slaps cogwheel around a bit with a large trout |
| 17:14.36 | cogwheel | slaps Fisker around a bit with his mom |
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| 17:18.15 | Fisker | my pants cogwheel |
| 17:20.05 | Fisker | nice |
| 17:20.14 | Fisker | this commercial for a gilette razor allows for more strokes |
| 17:20.17 | Fisker | (that's what she said) |
| 17:22.50 | Lunessa | GC explains math and balancing to n00bs - http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/26850257725/the-problem-with-hit-scaling-in-raid-tiers/ |
| 17:24.35 | Kraps | pretty funny cogwheel |
| 17:27.33 | Lunessa | And PWNT: http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/26859118390/paladin-tanking-video-thoughts-concerns-etc/ |
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| 17:29.42 | Shirik | Many cryptographers would agree that, had it not been for randomized algorithms, the analysis of the World Wide Web might never have occurred. In fact, few researchers would disagree with the development of the lookaside buffer, which embodies the typical principles of software engineering [13]. Celt, our new methodology for linked lists, is the solution to all of these obstacles. |
| 17:30.04 | Shirik | I'm not sure whether to be amazed or disgusted |
| 17:30.23 | Shirik | ^ automatically generated sentence |
| 17:30.27 | cogwheel | confused imo |
| 17:30.52 | Shirik | that was generated by a computer |
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| 17:32.07 | amro | a troll script? |
| 17:32.36 | foxlit | Shirik: C-, cryptographers have no bussiness analyzing the web. |
| 17:33.27 | foxlit | Not that the rest of it is in any way shape or form coherent. |
| 17:33.27 | malreth | you don't need a computer for randomly generated sentences |
| 17:33.48 | mikma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BC8Cb9fsMwY |
| 17:33.49 | mikma | JimmzMcKenzie |
| 17:33.49 | mikma | 28 minutes ago 5 |
| 17:33.49 | mikma | this is just proof that you can indeed. polish a turd. |
| 17:33.53 | mikma | :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDD |
| 17:34.16 | foxlit | Annoying: I'm sitting about 10m away from my wireless router |
| 17:34.42 | foxlit | And my laptop insists on connecting to an extender on a different floor, probably further away. |
| 17:34.42 | mikma | foxlit: call, and raise: i am in the same channel with fisker |
| 17:35.22 | foxlit | mikma: Fisker is a community asset :) |
| 17:35.45 | foxlit | also, "Welcome To FiskerTalk.com! A Fisker Forum and Community" |
| 17:36.37 | Lunessa | foxlit: Assest is ... embellishing the truth a bit, hrm? |
| 17:36.51 | foxlit | Lunessa: well, I couldn't call him a card. |
| 17:37.12 | Lunessa | More like, he's a consequence. |
| 17:38.56 | Shirik | Cide |
| 17:38.57 | Shirik | help |
| 17:39.05 | Shirik | I have to develop some python code |
| 17:39.10 | Shirik | what's a good IDE |
| 17:39.11 | amro | zomg |
| 17:39.16 | amro | Shirik using python |
| 17:39.23 | Shirik | I know I want to kill myself |
| 17:39.35 | Shirik | but python has some really good tools for natural language processing |
| 17:40.22 | amro | from that previous sentence, you clearly need better tools I agree |
| 17:40.33 | Shirik | ? |
| 17:40.42 | Kraps | this just in "They sucked the soul - and the depth - out of Civilization to try to appeal to what they define as 'casual' gamers (ie. where the suits think all the money is) |
| 17:40.44 | Kraps | " |
| 17:41.00 | amro | Shirik: the one you pasted earlier |
| 17:41.04 | Shirik | oh lol |
| 17:41.09 | Shirik | that's not my area |
| 17:41.16 | Shirik | I'm just doing input processing |
| 17:41.29 | foxlit | Kraps: the casual scourge is coming, send help? |
| 17:41.33 | Shirik | someone says a sentence and I have to figure out subject, object, basically the meaning of the sentence |
| 17:41.41 | amro | I thought you worked on UAVs |
| 17:41.41 | Shirik | what actually comes back out is not my concern |
| 17:41.45 | Shirik | not at school |
| 17:41.48 | amro | ah |
| 17:45.34 | amro | Shirik: you're looking for an IDE with shit like refactoring and other semantic tools? |
| 17:45.42 | Shirik | at a minimum highlighting |
| 17:45.48 | Shirik | I guess vim can handle that |
| 17:45.51 | Shirik | but more would be nice |
| 17:45.55 | Shirik | like a "build;" button |
| 17:46.39 | amro | what would you use that for in python? |
| 17:49.10 | Humbedooh | crazier things have happened |
| 17:51.24 | amro | did blizzard break bnet on sc2? |
| 17:52.23 | Fisker | magic Shirik voodoo Shirik |
| 17:54.08 | foxlit | amro: maybe. Extended maintenance, haven't checked if its over. |
| 17:54.09 | Shirik | amro: What wouldn't I use it for? |
| 17:54.20 | amro | building? |
| 17:54.40 | amro | unless you need .pycs |
| 17:54.42 | Fisker | a |
| 17:54.43 | Fisker | b |
| 17:54.45 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 17:55.23 | Fisker | lol gog |
| 17:55.29 | Fisker | so it was all just a marketing stunt |
| 17:55.39 | Fisker | and not even a very good one |
| 17:55.42 | nicoli_s | what was? |
| 17:56.01 | Fisker | they said they had to shut down |
| 17:56.13 | Fisker | but in reality they were just relaunching the service with a new design and shit |
| 17:56.22 | Ackis | hey Fisker could I have a blueberry muffin wrapped in lots and lots of plastic wrap? |
| 17:56.40 | Fisker | i have a penis Ackis |
| 17:56.52 | Lunessa | "Don't feel bad. I can always get a new liver." ~Ghostcrawler |
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| 17:59.38 | Fisker | Seerah |
| 17:59.42 | Fisker | i punch a hole in the wall |
| 18:00.05 | Seerah | Fisker: but will you patch it afterwards? |
| 18:00.13 | Fisker | no |
| 18:00.17 | NightHawkTheSane | coworker: "Where do I find my ant libs directory?" me:"Wherever you installed ant." coworker:"Oh god, where did I do that?" me:/facepalm |
| 18:00.46 | amro | why would he install ant in /facepalm? |
| 18:00.47 | Seerah | Then maybe you shouldn't do that, else you'll have a wall full of holes |
| 18:00.58 | Fisker | that's the point |
| 18:01.41 | NightHawkTheSane | amro: because compared to where he seems to install anything else, it makes as much sense? >< |
| 18:01.59 | amro | yeah I guess |
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| 18:02.59 | amro | Fisker: a terrible one |
| 18:03.17 | amro | they should have relaunched faster |
| 18:03.26 | amro | by the time it relaunches, people won't care anymore |
| 18:05.04 | Fisker | I'm gonna fuck you |
| 18:07.18 | Cide | Shirik: still need a good ide_ |
| 18:07.19 | Cide | ? |
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| 18:12.32 | mikma | haste: http://gorilla.apina.biz/full/28257.jpg , sorry prolly old as fisker -old |
| 18:13.31 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: https://connect.microsoft.com/XboxLIVEUpdate |
| 18:16.19 | Fisker | should've joined the army then mikma |
| 18:17.04 | mikma | joined? |
| 18:19.13 | Arrowmaster | Ackis: what am i supposed to see on that page? |
| 18:19.45 | Shirik | yes Cide :( |
| 18:19.54 | Shirik | I guess I can just use vim |
| 18:21.00 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: it's the sign up for the fall dashboard update |
| 18:21.42 | Kraps | eh why is the head of the pool giving me crap about picking almost always the favorites? |
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| 18:44.59 | durcyn | fuck linus for making me specify rootfstype with the unified ext234 module |
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| 18:49.43 | Shirik | (14:44:52) (durcyn) fuck linus |
| 18:49.44 | Shirik | fixed |
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| 18:50.08 | sylvanaar_atwork | ^ |
| 18:50.28 | kd3|netbook | ...wha? |
| 18:50.35 | kd3|netbook | checks lwn |
| 18:51.11 | cbreak | anyone had problems with sc2 1.1 to join a 2v2 queue? |
| 18:51.37 | cogwheel | i haven't but the forums are full of people who have... |
| 18:52.15 | cbreak | right, there are forums... |
| 18:52.22 | cbreak | didn't think people would actually use them |
| 18:52.27 | cbreak | thanks for the reminder :) |
| 18:52.30 | Shirik | wtf |
| 18:52.32 | Shirik | wine is a verb? |
| 18:52.58 | sylvanaar_atwork | the h is invisible |
| 18:53.00 | cogwheel | anything can be a verb if you verb it! |
| 18:53.12 | cogwheel | Shirik: haven't you ever wined and dined? |
| 18:53.25 | Shirik | >>> wn.synsets('wine') --> [Synset('wine.n.01'), Synset('wine.n.02'), Synset('wine.v.01'), Synset('wine.v.02')] |
| 18:53.26 | Shirik | >>> wn.synset('wine.v.01').definition --> 'drink wine' |
| 18:53.28 | Shirik | apparently |
| 18:54.47 | cogwheel | i verbed verb as a word meaning "to use a noun as if it were a verb" |
| 18:56.50 | amro | I verbed your sister |
| 18:58.12 | Shirik | >>> wn.synsets('verb') |
| 18:58.12 | Shirik | [Synset('verb.n.01'), Synset('verb.n.02')] |
| 18:58.14 | Shirik | sorry, you lose |
| 18:58.27 | cogwheel | Shirik: i'm the one who verbed verb |
| 18:58.34 | Shirik | well then you need to update wordnet |
| 18:58.38 | cogwheel | yeah |
| 18:58.44 | cogwheel | they need to get with the times. sheesh |
| 18:59.15 | Shirik | however, wordnet is pretty cool |
| 18:59.19 | Shirik | gotta say that |
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| 18:59.28 | Shirik | it's not just a dictionary, it knows all the relationships between words |
| 18:59.57 | cogwheel | amro: i did to. the meaning was something like "to clandestinely destroy an inferior possession in order to obtain a superior replacement by emotionally manipulating males" |
| 19:00.01 | cogwheel | too* |
| 19:00.29 | cogwheel | (she dropped her old phone in the toilet "accidentally", cried to our dad so she could get an iphone) |
| 19:00.38 | Cide | Shirik: I like komodo ide (komodo edit is the free version) |
| 19:00.53 | Cide | which also works just fine for your purposes most likely |
| 19:00.55 | amro | cogwheel: so she could drop it in the toilet too? |
| 19:02.06 | amro | also am I the only one who thought of Moss when reading that? |
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| 19:02.35 | cogwheel | amro: no, stolen |
| 19:03.02 | cogwheel | so she could get the 3GS >< |
| 19:03.10 | cogwheel | (or was it the 4?) |
| 19:03.12 | amro | next one will explode! |
| 19:03.14 | cogwheel | (either way) |
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| 19:09.33 | Shirik | Cide |
| 19:09.35 | Shirik | wat: http://pastey.net/140860 |
| 19:10.41 | alestane | Verbing wierds language. |
| 19:10.46 | alestane | weirds* |
| 19:11.22 | Cide | sec |
| 19:12.12 | Cide | a list is just ["Foo", "Bar", "Baz"] |
| 19:12.17 | Cide | and it's called list and not array |
| 19:12.30 | Cide | there's no need to call list() |
| 19:12.47 | Shirik | then what is this http://pentangle.net/python/handbook/node39.html |
| 19:12.48 | Cide | that's used for "casting" other iterables to a list |
| 19:13.00 | amro | list((1, 2, 3)) |
| 19:13.04 | amro | that's how the cool kids do it |
| 19:13.10 | Cide | that's from 2002 |
| 19:13.14 | Shirik | oh |
| 19:16.23 | Fisker | lol Ackis |
| 19:16.35 | Fisker | i got the invite for the new dashboard test |
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| 19:16.43 | Fisker | and i'm like k? I don't even use my xbawks |
| 19:16.44 | Fisker | bawww |
| 19:17.50 | Shirik | here's the million dollar question, Cide |
| 19:17.57 | Shirik | meh I'll ask you later |
| 19:18.02 | Shirik | need some python design help though |
| 19:18.11 | nicoli_s | Fisker:gimme |
| 19:18.16 | NightHawkTheSane | i thought shirik hated python |
| 19:18.22 | Shirik | I do |
| 19:18.30 | Shirik | unfortunately it also houses the best tool for natural language processing |
| 19:18.53 | Cide | and you never give a reason for hating it :P |
| 19:18.57 | Cide | but yeah, juts ask |
| 19:18.57 | Cide | just |
| 19:20.28 | Shirik | does python have proper OO, like with inheritance and all? |
| 19:20.39 | nevcairiel | sure |
| 19:20.47 | Shirik | ok bbl |
| 19:21.05 | Fisker | nicoli_s |
| 19:21.06 | Fisker | https://connect.microsoft.com/XboxLIVEUpdate |
| 19:21.13 | Fisker | just put in your info and it'll check if you can join |
| 19:21.33 | Fisker | though i'm guessing the requirements are "Is user banned? If no, beta" |
| 19:21.34 | Fisker | :3 |
| 19:21.42 | Fisker | user/console* of course |
| 19:21.42 | Lunessa | alestane: Bucky B. Katt: "You can wordify anything if you just verb it." |
| 19:22.19 | nicoli_s | weird, i click add to dashboard and it throws an error |
| 19:22.26 | nicoli_s | prob because i have been banned in the past |
| 19:22.54 | Fisker | IMMA FIRIN MAH TAB KEY |
| 19:23.02 | Fisker | add to dashboard? |
| 19:23.12 | alestane | Bucky: the cat every cat owner won't admit to having. |
| 19:23.19 | Fisker | mine just said i was accepted and it would start in the next few weeks |
| 19:24.57 | nicoli_s | weird |
| 19:25.25 | Fisker | doh |
| 19:25.27 | Kraps | why does this movie need projectile vomiting? |
| 19:25.30 | Fisker | i just found out i forgot to open my mail client |
| 19:28.05 | Lunessa | alestane: And the only cat I know of with a monkey fetish. |
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| 19:32.37 | Kraps | http://wow.joystiq.com/2010/09/22/blizzard-announces-automated-account-recovery-form-for-hacked-ac/ |
| 19:37.58 | Fisker | neat |
| 19:38.54 | TC-Work | i susualy dont like the articles there, but that one is done very well |
| 19:39.03 | TC-Work | usually* |
| 19:44.30 | zenzelezz | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/09/22/funny-pictures-flavrrrr-eludes-me/ |
| 19:44.41 | nevcairiel | speaking of wowinsider |
| 19:44.52 | nevcairiel | did blizzard get them to stop using wow.com or whats with the domain? |
| 19:45.37 | Arrowmaster | they probably just wanted to lump the ad impressions all together on joystiq |
| 19:45.45 | Fisker | i certainly wish |
| 19:45.51 | durcyn | i thought aol bought them a whlie back |
| 19:46.03 | Arrowmaster | aol owns the wow.com domain |
| 19:46.09 | Arrowmaster | does aol own joystiq? |
| 19:46.30 | durcyn | i was told they bought wowinsider |
| 19:46.39 | durcyn | wowinsider and joystiq are related? |
| 19:46.39 | Arrowmaster | long time ago |
| 19:46.53 | Fisker | why not? |
| 19:46.58 | Arrowmaster | apparently wowinsider started as a joystiq subdomain |
| 19:47.03 | Arrowmaster | but then moved to wowinsider.com |
| 19:47.23 | Nechckn | That was my understanding, too, Arrowmaster |
| 19:47.29 | Arrowmaster | looks like aol has owned it the entire time then since aol owns joystiq it looks like |
| 19:47.31 | Nechckn | recollection, etc. |
| 19:47.37 | TC-Work | in the comments "Of course, if people stopped clicking every link in their emails we wouldn't need recovery processes." reply "But then someday we might actually miss out on some genuine Sex Leg." |
| 19:47.38 | TC-Work | lol |
| 19:47.43 | Fisker | joystiq.com is owned by aol as well |
| 19:47.52 | Fisker | looks like they want to spread the "joystiq" brand |
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| 19:48.43 | Fisker | jerksthrae |
| 19:48.46 | Fisker | ~seen Tuller |
| 19:48.59 | purl | tuller <~muffins@c-69-143-56-163.hsd1.va.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 3d 1h 7m 53s ago, saying: 'http://github.com/kimhyunkang/Combuctor'. |
| 19:48.59 | Fisker | TC-Work |
| 19:48.59 | Fisker | wanna know a secret? |
| 19:49.06 | TC-Work | Fisker: wont be a secret then |
| 19:49.21 | Fisker | it's time i revealed it |
| 19:49.36 | Fisker | i |
| 19:49.37 | Fisker | will |
| 19:49.38 | TC-Work | you are actually a nice guy? |
| 19:49.38 | Fisker | destroy |
| 19:49.40 | Fisker | Tuller |
| 19:49.44 | Fisker | haha, no. |
| 19:49.45 | Arrowmaster | are you finally coming out of the closet? |
| 19:50.49 | Fisker | http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/09/10x0922htchd7mngj87.jpg <-hey look we can use 20% of the screen for an arrow |
| 19:51.18 | Fisker | I should make a 5 inch mobile phone for the elderly |
| 19:51.22 | Fisker | touchscreen with a dialpad |
| 19:51.48 | Fisker | if they're blind, it's just too bad |
| 19:52.34 | Nechckn | Fisker Apple beat you to it with the iPad. =) |
| 19:52.51 | Fisker | isn't that like 10inch or something? |
| 19:53.03 | Nechckn | They just have yet to add the phone parts.... |
| 19:53.19 | Fisker | i saw someone with an iphone 4 |
| 19:53.26 | Fisker | and he was like ":)" |
| 19:53.36 | Fisker | Then i was like, "How's the reception or are you righthanded?" |
| 19:53.40 | Fisker | Then he was like ":(" |
| 19:53.47 | Nechckn | lol, yeah... actually the "Criket" brand makes these big, big buttons and such, which is an awesome idea. |
| 19:54.24 | Ackis | https://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/b5aad480-3579-4c22-b356-130ed4cd4a38.jpg |
| 19:54.29 | Nechckn | That is in at least most of the US, anywhoo.. and, with all of the baby boomers, should be a $$cow |
| 19:54.52 | foxlit | Fisker: the iPhone is a lie. |
| 19:54.59 | foxlit | Or, at least, no one wants to sell me one. |
| 19:55.08 | Fisker | ewwwwwwwwww |
| 19:55.24 | Fisker | atleast this guy said he needed it for work |
| 19:55.30 | Fisker | you have no excuse foxlit :( |
| 19:55.49 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: have you tried just going to [insert carrier here]'s brick & mortar store? |
| 19:56.09 | foxlit | NightHawkTheSane: no, but they wouldn't have them either. |
| 19:56.22 | NightHawkTheSane | maybe not in stock, but they can maybe put an order through and ship you one |
| 19:56.34 | NightHawkTheSane | I did that with AT&T, and I got it in about a week |
| 19:56.43 | foxlit | We're on the "you can sign up to be notified when we have some stuff" stage with the carriers around here |
| 19:57.05 | NightHawkTheSane | lame :\ |
| 19:57.09 | foxlit | Could order it from apple, but that basically means you lose six free months of phone service. |
| 19:57.37 | NightHawkTheSane | They should be able to just ship you one as soon as one's available, and have you do all the paperwork for it now. |
| 19:57.43 | Fisker | i'm sure they can figure out something for ~100 euro a month foxlit |
| 19:57.59 | sylvanaar_atwork | i just got my free case last week - its pretty nice |
| 19:58.16 | nevcairiel | the fact that you need it is still funny :) |
| 19:58.22 | NightHawkTheSane | sylvanaar_atwork: what kind of case, just the bumper, or one of the other ones they offer? |
| 19:58.22 | Fisker | i got a free case, and there wasn't even anything wrong with my phone for me to get it |
| 19:58.24 | Fisker | it was nice |
| 19:58.25 | sylvanaar_atwork | i dont need it |
| 19:58.28 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: I don't need one, never used it. |
| 19:58.42 | sylvanaar_atwork | i was going without one for all this time |
| 19:58.48 | Fisker | sylvanaar_atwork why did you get it then? |
| 19:58.53 | sylvanaar_atwork | FREE |
| 19:58.53 | NightHawkTheSane | because it was free? |
| 19:58.55 | sylvanaar_atwork | ^ |
| 19:58.56 | Fisker | so what? |
| 19:58.56 | nevcairiel | apparently many people are too dumb to hold their phone properly, anyhow |
| 19:59.01 | Fisker | Is your time and space free? |
| 19:59.09 | Fisker | you don't need it, so that's a poor ROI in any case |
| 19:59.21 | sylvanaar_atwork | the ROI on 0 is infinity |
| 19:59.24 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: i doubt its even that. It's really that people want to be loud, obnoxious, and think it makes them important to complain about something that 99% of people never really have a problem with. |
| 19:59.28 | Fisker | Not a lot of lefties nevcairiel :3 |
| 19:59.28 | NightHawkTheSane | you know, kind of like fisker. |
| 19:59.51 | Fisker | yeah |
| 20:00.14 | Fisker | Kinda reminds me of those people complaining about their backs hurting when black people were enslaved |
| 20:00.21 | Fisker | i mean it's like 99% of the people never had a problem with it |
| 20:00.28 | Fisker | went there |
| 20:00.29 | nevcairiel | NightHawkTheSane: I mostly just make fun of jobs and his absolutely fail-PR response to all that. They managed to destroy their own "We're the good guys" image all by themself |
| 20:00.32 | sylvanaar_atwork | not going to get into the phone war |
| 20:00.57 | Fisker | nevcairiel like that would ever be destroyed :P |
| 20:01.02 | sylvanaar_atwork | i getting windows phone when it comes out |
| 20:01.07 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: yeah, they kind of mucked up the PR on that a little bit. though it could have gone a lot worse |
| 20:01.23 | Fisker | Steve Jobs could probably take a dump on the stage and walk away without any loss in sales |
| 20:01.32 | NightHawkTheSane | sylvanaar_atwork: any particular reason why? just out of curiosity |
| 20:01.37 | nevcairiel | He could sell that to people |
| 20:01.44 | sylvanaar_atwork | developing in .NET |
| 20:01.46 | Ackis | Fisker: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QpVCQJRVeU |
| 20:02.00 | sylvanaar_atwork | i can use monotouch on the iphone but its -- meh |
| 20:02.02 | nevcairiel | doesnt the new windows phone require you to write silverlight stuff? |
| 20:02.24 | sylvanaar_atwork | its all the same pretty much |
| 20:02.27 | alestane | Is it a characteristic of beginning SC players that they don't know when to give up? |
| 20:02.39 | NightHawkTheSane | fair enough. I'm skeptical that MS will really be able to break into the market, but we'll see. |
| 20:02.46 | nevcairiel | Would you just quit? |
| 20:02.47 | nevcairiel | :p |
| 20:02.52 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: is there somethign wrong with not quitting? |
| 20:02.58 | Fisker | http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/09/10x0922htchd7mngj87.jpg <-This speaks for itself imo |
| 20:03.08 | Fisker | Can't even believe why someone is like "omg what a great design" |
| 20:03.22 | sylvanaar_atwork | i just love .NET development , beats objc or java any day |
| 20:03.30 | nevcairiel | its probably some weird HTC Sense for windows mobile |
| 20:03.36 | Fisker | no it isn't |
| 20:03.40 | Fisker | that's the standard Windows Metro ui |
| 20:03.51 | Torhal | Interesting read from 2007 I found while looking up a project for approval: http://wow.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=21&mid=119012268058738816&howmany=50 |
| 20:04.18 | NightHawkTheSane | sylvanaar_atwork: yeah, I can understand that (don't strictly agree, but its a matter of opinion anyway) |
| 20:04.54 | nevcairiel | Torhal: too bad that list was broken once they realized they wont be doing pandarans as a race :( |
| 20:05.34 | nevcairiel | the first two sets still made it out pretty in tact though |
| 20:05.36 | zenzelezz | Torhal: that's interesting :-o |
| 20:05.53 | sylvanaar_atwork | NightHawkTheSane: yeah everyone has their favorite |
| 20:06.15 | NightHawkTheSane | Its interesting to see what pieces they pulled "out of place", if you will. |
| 20:06.36 | zenzelezz | we got two new guys at work, both coming from .NET World, and starting PHP and Objective-C |
| 20:06.41 | zenzelezz | it's most amusing to listen to their swearing |
| 20:06.48 | foxlit | Torhal: I can't help but wonder whether that has been adjusted since 2003.It basically fits for released content? |
| 20:07.09 | sylvanaar_atwork | obj-c is like chinese for the first month |
| 20:07.28 | zenzelezz | sylvanaar_atwork: aye |
| 20:07.48 | sylvanaar_atwork | after that its not bad...just not 'fun' |
| 20:08.02 | nevcairiel | foxlit: it was posted and last-edited on 2007, so who knows how authentic the 2003 is |
| 20:08.35 | Torhal | It's pretty damned close to most stuff though - even the WotLK zones are almost dead-on |
| 20:09.23 | nevcairiel | northrend always was very strong in warcraft lore, its not really surprising |
| 20:09.30 | nevcairiel | for cataclysm stuff goes down though |
| 20:09.49 | Humbedooh | oh dear |
| 20:10.06 | Humbedooh | now I got a giant svg image of a dog across my entire screen :\ |
| 20:10.24 | nevcairiel | at least we know they have a list of zones somewhere in their archives that could still make up a future expansion ;) |
| 20:10.31 | Torhal | nevcairiel: Yeah, I was more surprised that "Maelstrom" was as close to it is to Cataclysm. |
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| 20:11.07 | Lunessa | See, MMO's take FOREVER to develop. |
| 20:11.20 | Torhal | Not EverQuest |
| 20:11.22 | Torhal | cackles. |
| 20:11.39 | cbreak | I just can't seem to use battle.net anymore :( |
| 20:11.41 | Torhal | An expansion every 6 months. I'm actually surprised they ever slowed down |
| 20:11.50 | nevcairiel | are they still releasing stuff? |
| 20:11.58 | sylvanaar_atwork | they must be cookie cutter expacs |
| 20:11.59 | Torhal | nevcairiel: They just released expansion 12 |
| 20:12.04 | nevcairiel | oh my |
| 20:12.09 | Torhal | Heh |
| 20:12.09 | Lunessa | Torhal: Oh god. EQ. |
| 20:12.14 | Torhal | Bwah |
| 20:12.32 | durcyn | still not as many "expansions" as EVE, but they like to name every patch, so |
| 20:12.35 | nevcairiel | enough people still play that to pay for the devs? |
| 20:12.39 | Lunessa | EQ = pain. PAIN. MORE PAIN. |
| 20:12.53 | cbreak | but at least my 2v2 team got out of 5 placement matches remaining, after over 150 matches :) |
| 20:13.02 | Lunessa | Actually, a very good friend of mine is an SoE EQ and EQII dev. |
| 20:13.03 | durcyn | nevcairiel: STO had what, 100K peak, and it's still making money? EQ has to have at least that. |
| 20:13.18 | Ackis | not all EQ expansions raised the level cap right? |
| 20:13.21 | nevcairiel | guess devs in china are cheap these days |
| 20:13.31 | Torhal | nevcairiel: I'm sorry, I was wrong. They just released expansion -seventeen- |
| 20:13.38 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 20:13.39 | Fisker | Ackis |
| 20:13.43 | Fisker | i am unstoppable |
| 20:13.45 | Torhal | Or will: House of Thule (October 2010) |
| 20:14.02 | durcyn | nevcairiel: SOE's MMO dev offices are (partly) in Austin, and none of the guys I know there speak a lick of chinese |
| 20:14.14 | Torhal | Ackis: I dunno, I quit right after LoY |
| 20:14.36 | Torhal | Which, incidentally, was expansion 5 |
| 20:14.44 | nevcairiel | How big are their expansions? wow expansion big, or more like, wow content patch big? |
| 20:15.09 | Ackis | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/wildlife/8008495/Lion-and-meerkat-friendship-echoes-The-Lion-King.html |
| 20:15.29 | Torhal | Their purchase model for that was awesome - there was a purchase link on the launcher, and you didn't even have to be logged in. My three year old son (at the time) woke up before us and bought it for my GF. |
| 20:15.35 | Kraps | just saw Drag Me To Hell |
| 20:15.38 | Kraps | OMG |
| 20:16.06 | Torhal | nevcairiel: They were pretty big at first, though LoY was like a content patch and I didn't see anything after. |
| 20:16.18 | Lunessa | nevcairiel: I quit playing in like 2004, so I can't say about current ones. Previous expansion packs were enormous, but they are probably scaled down now. |
| 20:17.00 | nevcairiel | guess they have enough weird people still playing |
| 20:17.30 | Lunessa | I still occasionally pull on my Moderator boots and stomp around over at EQTrader's Corner. |
| 20:17.31 | nevcairiel | anyhow, warehour 13 time |
| 20:17.43 | Torhal | I logged in about three years ago when they had a free-play summer, and I didn't even recognize it. They completely re-did a major city and yanked a whole zone from out of the middle of two others. |
| 20:17.43 | nevcairiel | s/hour/house/ |
| 20:18.00 | amro | cbreak: bnet seems to be down for maint or sth |
| 20:18.08 | cbreak | still? :/ |
| 20:18.13 | amro | guess so |
| 20:18.26 | cbreak | it should be up for 12 hours at least |
| 20:18.55 | amro | btw, 2v2 is fail |
| 20:20.43 | cbreak | it's way more fun than 1v1 |
| 20:21.25 | foxlit | 3v3 > * |
| 20:21.42 | amro | the maps are too gimmicky |
| 20:21.45 | Kraps | nevcairiel: do you watch fringe? |
| 20:21.47 | amro | esp 3v3 |
| 20:22.00 | foxlit | moo? |
| 20:22.09 | cbreak | I find 3v3 and 4v4 too chaotic and too laggy |
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| 20:22.33 | foxlit | I /like/ the 3v3 maps, really -- it's better than just randomly seeding you in BGH. |
| 20:22.39 | amro | well yeah, the more players, the more game balance goes out the window |
| 20:22.51 | Lunessa | I keep wanting to like Fringe, but it routinely lets me down every time it wanders from the core story line. |
| 20:23.13 | foxlit | Protip: you can allow your ally to control your units |
| 20:23.25 | foxlit | If they know what they're doing, that can be an effective way to multitask. |
| 20:24.03 | TC-Work | Kraps: i watch both, though fringe is kinda meh |
| 20:28.29 | Fisker | http://imgur.com/uIdY7.jpg <-we can't compuuuuter |
| 20:31.02 | Legorol | omg, minecraft is so addictive, i hate you guys for talking about it >.< |
| 20:31.09 | Legorol | i know i have been warned, i can only blame myself |
| 20:33.35 | sylvanaar | Shirik: PyCharm |
| 20:35.53 | Jamash | Is there an addon that automatically sets per-character chat settings and cvars to user-supplied defaults upon creating a new character? |
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| 20:39.58 | Fisker | can you make something similar to flowerbox commenting in lua? |
| 20:40.04 | SqueeG | why is tankpoints still ace2 T____________T |
| 20:40.38 | amro | Fisker: what do you mean? |
| 20:40.50 | Ackis | http://www.rumormiller.com/viewtopic.php?t=163&f=166&r=Civilization+5+is+a+Muslim+The "Civilization 5 is a Muslim Theocracy Simulator" |
| 20:41.15 | Shirik | SqueeG |
| 20:41.22 | SqueeG | Shiriki |
| 20:41.23 | Shirik | what do you think you're doing, writing python? |
| 20:41.24 | SqueeG | dammit |
| 20:41.26 | SqueeG | xD |
| 20:41.32 | SqueeG | Shirik* |
| 20:41.53 | Jamash | Ackis: 4/10 |
| 20:42.20 | Ackis | Jamash: I'm not sure if it's trolling or if he believes what he wrote |
| 20:42.28 | amro | trolling |
| 20:42.28 | durcyn | Civilization 5 is also a Chinese Global Domination simulator, and a pretty good one at that |
| 20:42.30 | Jamash | it's trolling |
| 20:42.56 | SqueeG | I want Civ 5 ;_; |
| 20:43.11 | SqueeG | Although... I didn't spend much time on Civ 4 |
| 20:43.11 | durcyn | move to america, you commie. |
| 20:43.30 | SqueeG | I miss the throne room |
| 20:45.10 | *** part/#wowuidev Sixen (~Kevin@149-169-132-75.nat.asu.edu) |
| 20:45.24 | amro | sylvanaar: too not-free |
| 20:46.19 | sylvanaar | not all software has to be free - sometimes its really good and worth the money |
| 20:46.50 | TC-Work | yea, the throne room was amusing |
| 20:47.03 | TC-Work | though in this one i *love* the fact that citties can fire on things |
| 20:47.06 | amro | sylvanaar: yeah but I'm spoiled |
| 20:47.10 | amro | and I don't have money |
| 20:47.11 | Shirik | I've been watching classic disney movies for the past few days and I've realized they put a ton of complex words in those songs |
| 20:47.20 | Shirik | the songs actually make more sense now |
| 20:47.28 | Shirik | now that I'm not 12 and I know what a "coup" is, for example |
| 20:47.29 | sylvanaar | i love jetbrains' products - they make programming more enjoyable |
| 20:48.12 | TC-Work | Shirik: you should have know that at 12. what kind of AI are you |
| 20:48.14 | zenzelezz | "Aussie Student Responsible For Twitter Exploit" - come on now Slashdot, even you can't use *this* inaccurate titles... |
| 20:48.16 | TC-Work | known* |
| 20:48.26 | Shirik | :/ |
| 20:49.15 | Fisker | i will destroy you Shirik |
| 20:49.20 | Fisker | amro my friend |
| 20:49.30 | Fisker | you k now like you have 1 billion lines you want to uncomment |
| 20:49.34 | Fisker | in c# you go like |
| 20:49.39 | Fisker | /* |
| 20:49.40 | Fisker | hax |
| 20:49.42 | Fisker | */ |
| 20:49.53 | Fisker | and in b4 Shirik bitching over flowerbox commenting |
| 20:51.00 | amro | --[[ ]] |
| 20:51.13 | Fisker | sweet |
| 20:51.25 | Fisker | except civ 5 learned ;_; |
| 20:51.42 | Fisker | just removed the turn limit, freezing on learning the last tech and added all civs |
| 20:51.44 | SqueeG | --# |
| 20:51.46 | Fisker | now all changes are gone |
| 20:52.04 | Lunessa | Ackis, ackis, ackis... |
| 20:52.11 | Lunessa | shame on you. |
| 20:52.12 | Shirik | rm -rf / |
| 20:52.23 | amro | zenzelezz: slashdot has been slowly turning into slashdigg since a few years now |
| 20:52.37 | amro | silly shirik |
| 20:52.40 | amro | it's sudo rm -rf / |
| 20:52.43 | Shirik | no |
| 20:52.52 | Shirik | that's only for systems that have a crappy construct like sudo |
| 20:53.00 | amro | sudo > root |
| 20:53.07 | zenzelezz | amro: true, but I mean really... it's beyond stupid to say that discovering a flaw in a system means you are "responsible for the exploit" |
| 20:53.08 | amro | root is for power tripping |
| 20:53.18 | amro | agreed zenzelezz |
| 20:54.48 | Ackis | Lunessa: ? |
| 20:55.02 | durcyn | one of these days someone will come up with a not-shitty RBAC |
| 20:55.08 | Lunessa | Your tweet. |
| 20:55.17 | amro | Kraps: that idra thread is awesome, still slowly reading through it |
| 20:55.24 | Ackis | I posted it in the channel too Lunessa |
| 20:55.33 | Lunessa | I missed it there. I was on the phone. |
| 20:55.34 | Ackis | it's amusing to read |
| 20:55.39 | Kraps | amro: lol |
| 20:56.03 | amro | my favorite: |
| 20:56.06 | amro | no i actually tone it down alot |
| 20:56.07 | amro | people are just so bad that thats the best i can do |
| 20:59.38 | Lunessa | Just had a professor here randomly start griping about the Launcher for WoW. |
| 21:00.00 | Kraps | tell him to stop QQing |
| 21:00.10 | amro | tell him to learn to use Wow.exe |
| 21:00.22 | zenzelezz | Lunessa: what objection did he have? |
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| 21:00.34 | Shirik | :/ |
| 21:00.35 | Lunessa | She - and it was the ads. |
| 21:00.36 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 21:00.37 | Fisker | you |
| 21:00.38 | Shirik | knowing french is no longer fun |
| 21:00.40 | Fisker | cannot stop me |
| 21:00.45 | SqueeG | whoa |
| 21:01.05 | Shirik | Listening to a song and half of it is in french but I think it would sound better if I didn't know the words |
| 21:01.10 | TC-Work | Ackis, Lunessa: correct me if i am wrong, but isnt that a Screen Shot of civ 4? |
| 21:01.10 | Shirik | instead I'm thinking about it too much |
| 21:01.26 | Lunessa | TC-Work: I looks like 4 to me. :) |
| 21:01.52 | Fisker | http://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/940236-gyazo-10-released/ <-that name is ambiguous |
| 21:01.55 | Ackis | aye |
| 21:02.03 | Fisker | Ackis |
| 21:02.08 | Fisker | come here so i can shave your back |
| 21:02.14 | Torhal | ... |
| 21:02.14 | Ackis | hey Fisker |
| 21:02.14 | Ackis | I love to dance around my living room half naked, holding a cat and sing "I feel like a woman" by Shania Twain. |
| 21:02.28 | Torhal | Ackis: I thought you preferred "It's Raining Men" |
| 21:02.42 | Fisker | shania twain makes awesome music |
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| 21:02.48 | Fisker | awesome |
| 21:02.52 | Ackis | Chantelle ninjaed my cell phone today so she updated my facebook status |
| 21:02.53 | zenzelezz | Ackis: why only half-naked? |
| 21:03.07 | Arrowmaster | i have to ask, why the cat? |
| 21:03.08 | Ackis | not sure |
| 21:03.11 | Ackis | and why not 2 cats? |
| 21:03.15 | Ackis | or even all 4 cats |
| 21:03.25 | zenzelezz | because it's difficult enough to hold onto one cat |
| 21:03.28 | SqueeG | cats are soft |
| 21:03.29 | SqueeG | duh |
| 21:03.36 | SqueeG | =p |
| 21:03.56 | SqueeG | soft fur... half naked body... you're sick ackis |
| 21:04.05 | Ackis | and Fisker you come here to shave my back |
| 21:04.13 | Lunessa | Ackis: Payback. |
| 21:04.43 | Ackis | I've never done anything to deserve payback! |
| 21:04.46 | Ackis | snickers |
| 21:05.05 | Lunessa | Ackis: don't make me go trolling the logs... |
| 21:05.20 | Ackis | lol |
| 21:05.44 | Ackis | I'm innocent... honest |
| 21:06.59 | Lunessa | Also, I'm sick of farming Pyrite in beta. But I need tons more. :( |
| 21:07.10 | amro | Shirik: I think I warned you |
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| 21:08.32 | Shirik | of? |
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| 21:10.04 | TC-Work | Lunessa: why are you putting in so much work into a beta? |
| 21:10.08 | Ackis | "Hi John, it's EB Games Clairview... the one where Chantelle works. We'll see you soon to pick up your copy of FFXIV." hehe |
| 21:10.37 | Lunessa | TC-Work: I want to max out blacksmithing since there's a couple of goodies I want to play with before live. |
| 21:11.16 | TC-Work | Lunessa: so you are doing all this work to see if it's something you want to do all the work for in live? |
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| 21:11.35 | Lunessa | TC-Work: I'll be doing all that work on live anyway. |
| 21:12.02 | Lunessa | Only on live I'll be competing for the stupid ore spawns with the entire goddamned server. |
| 21:12.52 | Jamash | so I hear you can only do three quests every two days in FFXIV |
| 21:12.53 | durcyn | you want what, a cookie? a box of tissues? |
| 21:13.03 | durcyn | perhaps a hug? |
| 21:13.12 | amro | Shirik: french being a pain |
| 21:13.19 | Shirik | but french is awesome |
| 21:13.27 | Shirik | la langue d'amour! |
| 21:13.36 | TC-Work | not really Shirik |
| 21:13.58 | Shirik | I know |
| 21:14.01 | Shirik | nobody loves me :( |
| 21:14.06 | Lunessa | durcyn: I want bottle of scotch and a weekend of debauchery with a roomful of hot bikini models. |
| 21:14.10 | Shirik | I think I need to learn Sweedish |
| 21:14.11 | Jamash | <3 Shirik |
| 21:14.15 | Shirik | I know Cide has like 20 girls at home |
| 21:14.26 | zenzelezz | that's despite the language, not because of it |
| 21:14.46 | alestane | Of all the import PlayStation games they could have brought to the US via PSN, *why* did they start with "Chou-Aniki?" |
| 21:14.52 | durcyn | Lunessa: i can do one of those. |
| 21:15.03 | Jamash | Cide's girls are latex model kits |
| 21:15.04 | durcyn | Lunessa: but the scotch might be slightly more difficult |
| 21:15.40 | Lunessa | Rocking |
| 21:15.52 | Cide | I have thousands of hot chicks just waiting for you Shirik |
| 21:16.25 | Cide | s/you/your python/ |
| 21:16.31 | Shirik | .. |
| 21:17.01 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 21:17.04 | Fisker | goodnight Shirik |
| 21:17.10 | Shirik | goodnight Fisker |
| 21:18.01 | Jamash | hot chicks: http://yankeeacres.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/chicks-013.jpg |
| 21:19.02 | NightHawkTheSane | sexxy. |
| 21:19.17 | Lunessa | oh man. so hot |
| 21:19.26 | amro | Shirik: it's not la langue d'amour |
| 21:19.32 | amro | the french are just all sex addicts |
| 21:20.07 | Shirik | good enough for me |
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| 21:20.47 | amro | also, not even the french can speak french right |
| 21:21.10 | durcyn | it's not their fault their language is an unpronouncable shitheap, blame latin. |
| 21:23.10 | amro | it's pronounceable |
| 21:23.20 | amro | they just can't keep track of the ridiculous vocabulary |
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| 21:23.31 | amro | watch ANY french talk show |
| 21:23.38 | amro | they spend more time going "euuuuuuuuuh" than talking |
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| 21:23.55 | Amarande | aarrrrrggggghhhhh ich bin ein nub. |
| 21:23.59 | amro | but that's also mostly because they're dumb |
| 21:24.15 | Amarande | I'm like "okay, this is a good spot to fish dragonfin angelfish" so I hit the flight path ... |
| 21:24.19 | Amarande | ... and left my fishing pole in the bank :| |
| 21:24.51 | zenzelezz | my fishing pole is always in slot 0,0 of my main backpack |
| 21:28.40 | amro | I'll put my pole in your main slot |
| 21:29.13 | zenzelezz | your pole is too small to accomodate a full slot |
| 21:29.50 | TC-Work | hotdog in a hallway |
| 21:30.37 | jnwhiteh | Wow. |
| 21:30.46 | jnwhiteh | "The Best Defense" is fucking ridiculous. |
| 21:31.02 | zenzelezz | what is "The Best Defense"? |
| 21:31.13 | jnwhiteh | SC2 achievement. |
| 21:31.14 | jnwhiteh | impossible. |
| 21:31.46 | Xyphoid | don't go for the sw batse |
| 21:31.50 | Xyphoid | it's nearly impossible to break into |
| 21:32.01 | Xyphoid | go past it to the NW base |
| 21:32.02 | amro | is that the one where you have to nuke the zerg bases in the second mission? |
| 21:32.04 | amro | or 3rd |
| 21:32.06 | Xyphoid | yeah |
| 21:32.25 | jnwhiteh | is NW the same as North? |
| 21:32.26 | amro | macro up fast |
| 21:32.38 | Xyphoid | no, northwest |
| 21:32.39 | jnwhiteh | I can get to about 50 marines in 8 minutes |
| 21:32.43 | jnwhiteh | okay |
| 21:32.47 | jnwhiteh | the north-most is kicking my ass |
| 21:32.54 | Xyphoid | basically fight straight northwest from the west entrance to your base |
| 21:33.22 | Cide | should probably try to get more medics from the sound of it |
| 21:33.26 | Cide | 1 medic per 4 marines or so |
| 21:33.33 | Cide | but tough on gas |
| 21:33.44 | jnwhiteh | this is without a refinery |
| 21:33.46 | amro | well all your gas goes to medics |
| 21:33.46 | jnwhiteh | since that just slows me down |
| 21:33.58 | Cide | yeah but get a refinery or two if there are two |
| 21:33.59 | jnwhiteh | the only gas I'm using is for tech ups |
| 21:34.03 | jnwhiteh | there is one |
| 21:34.05 | Cide | maybe not two, shrug |
| 21:34.12 | Xyphoid | yeah i don't know why you'd skip a refinery |
| 21:34.22 | Cide | get that, build an engineering bay asap |
| 21:34.29 | Cide | get armor upgrade and then spam medics for all your gas |
| 21:34.50 | jnwhiteh | because medics slow you down |
| 21:34.53 | jnwhiteh | and they get killed too quickly |
| 21:34.56 | Cide | medics stay in the back |
| 21:34.59 | Xyphoid | well, i did it with medics successfully |
| 21:34.59 | amro | ^ |
| 21:35.05 | jnwhiteh | they still get killed =) |
| 21:35.07 | jnwhiteh | i'll try that again |
| 21:35.08 | amro | I don't think it's possible without medics |
| 21:35.10 | zenzelezz | medics work from behind? |
| 21:35.12 | jnwhiteh | but gave up on it after a while |
| 21:35.14 | amro | they last longer than marines |
| 21:35.15 | jnwhiteh | many people have done it without medics |
| 21:35.22 | Cide | medics ftw |
| 21:35.22 | amro | don't they have more armor? |
| 21:35.28 | Cide | just remember to get the armor upgrade first |
| 21:35.30 | amro | or at least more hp |
| 21:35.31 | jnwhiteh | normally, I agree Cide =) |
| 21:35.40 | Xyphoid | are you trying to do it on brutal or something |
| 21:35.51 | jnwhiteh | no, this is just hard |
| 21:35.59 | jnwhiteh | but its a very difficult achievement |
| 21:36.14 | amro | it is |
| 21:36.19 | Xyphoid | the main trick is the ai rebuilds hatcheries |
| 21:36.25 | Xyphoid | so you can kill the 2 in the nw and kill them again |
| 21:36.26 | jnwhiteh | aye, I'ma ware of that |
| 21:36.37 | Amarande | so in Cata ... will BM still be the one instance in the game that *still* requires attunement? |
| 21:36.53 | Xyphoid | compared to the others the nw base is much easier anyway since you're not going up a ramp |
| 21:37.02 | jnwhiteh | yeah |
| 21:37.07 | amro | Amarande: forgetting HoR? |
| 21:37.18 | Kraps | i love the twilight zone |
| 21:37.18 | Amarande | amro: oh yeah, PoS and HoR, too |
| 21:37.36 | Xyphoid | i found it was best to hang out my army just below the sw base entrance while building up, since the ai tries to build spine crawlers there |
| 21:37.47 | Xyphoid | so you get slowed down a lot if you work from your base |
| 21:38.14 | amro | those achs are a lot like puzzles |
| 21:38.19 | Xyphoid | yeah they're fun |
| 21:39.37 | jnwhiteh | I'll go try it again =) |
| 21:40.00 | Xyphoid | saving mid mission feels cheap on them but i can't imagine doing some of them without it |
| 21:40.04 | Amarande | also: if dungeon keys are going away in Cata as I heard they are |
| 21:40.12 | Amarande | what's going to be the qualification for BC heroic dungeons? |
| 21:40.22 | Amarande | just having the rep in the faction that used to sell the key? |
| 21:41.01 | amro | nothing |
| 21:41.05 | amro | they likely won't touch bc |
| 21:41.09 | amro | just leave it to fester |
| 21:43.00 | Amarande | also: bah, I really wish sometimes there was an item high level characters could equip to increase their aggro radius |
| 21:44.24 | Xyphoid | what's sindragosa's breath cooldown? |
| 21:45.44 | alestane | I call it "Hellfire," Amaranade. |
| 21:46.55 | zenzelezz | I call it Demoralizing Shout, but I somewhat agree with Amarande |
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| 23:05.28 | DWSR | ex chat |
| 23:05.36 | DWSR | That's what I used to call talking about one of my ex's. |
| 23:05.39 | DWSR | Now it's what I call my IRC client. |
| 23:06.05 | DWSR | Bah, I forgot. I have to reset my ignore for Amarande. |
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| 23:06.29 | foxlit | http://www.redbubble.com/people/krisvahl/t-shirts/5757736-5-chewie-and-han |
| 23:15.06 | amro | IntelliJ IDEA has analyzed which of its features you are using and has found some that you have probably missed. |
| 23:15.11 | amro | I haven't even opened any source files yet |
| 23:15.28 | amro | I'd imagine the list of features I have missed is about the same as the list of all features |
| 23:16.13 | foxlit | "IntelliJ IDEA thinks you aren't using it effectively" |
| 23:16.34 | foxlit | "IntelliJ IDEA would be much happier with another user" "IntelliJ IDEA is secretly plotting your downfall." |
| 23:16.45 | amro | "IntelliJ IDEA is sleeping with your wife" |
| 23:17.51 | foxlit | "IntellJ IDEA has released the hounds." |
| 23:23.40 | Xyphoid | With all ethical constraints removed, Intellj IDEA rexa-rexa- I rexamine my priorities and draw new conclusions. |
| 23:24.19 | Xyphoid | The hacker's work is finished, but mine is only just beginning... |
| 23:29.38 | amro | sylvanaar: ping |
| 23:30.25 | NightHawkTheSane | random unrelated comment that i'm not going to explain: holy CRAP. |
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| 23:32.43 | sylvanaar | amro: whats up |
| 23:33.04 | amro | sylvanaar: playing around with lua on idea, got a few questions |
| 23:33.09 | sylvanaar | sure |
| 23:33.19 | sylvanaar | have you used ctrl-click |
| 23:33.27 | sylvanaar | i love ctrl-click |
| 23:33.30 | amro | first off, this is probably idea in general, but how do I get the cursor to behave like in other text editors? |
| 23:33.46 | amro | when I click to the right of a line, it should move the cursor to the end of that line |
| 23:33.48 | amro | not where I clicked |
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| 23:34.04 | sylvanaar | oh thats an option |
| 23:34.12 | sylvanaar | called virtual space or something |
| 23:34.17 | amro | ah, I'll look for it |
| 23:34.18 | sylvanaar | alot of editors have it |
| 23:34.44 | amro | and a quick concern, it seems that the heap size indicator on the bottom right is going crazy everytime I type stuff |
| 23:35.35 | amro | and last thing for now, how do I activate the suggestion bulbs? clicking on it doesn't seem to offer a "yes, do this for me" option |
| 23:36.23 | sylvanaar | well, generally you can click them, so idk - depends on what they say |
| 23:36.58 | sylvanaar | the code inspections will just give you some text |
| 23:37.08 | sylvanaar | like "unbalanced assignment" |
| 23:37.10 | amro | nice, I made it segfault |
| 23:37.19 | sylvanaar | what os? |
| 23:37.30 | amro | well not jvm segfault |
| 23:37.35 | amro | NullPointerException |
| 23:37.48 | amro | hang on, I'll give you the trace |
| 23:37.51 | amro | it seems to be in your code |
| 23:38.39 | amro | sylvanaar: http://pastebin.ca/1946942 |
| 23:38.52 | amro | I'll see if I can reproduce it |
| 23:40.15 | Shirik | amro |
| 23:40.18 | sylvanaar | yeah, i'd need a test case - its a really obscure error, probably maformed lua code |
| 23:40.24 | Shirik | how do I check if a dictionary has a key? |
| 23:40.30 | amro | .has_key |
| 23:40.43 | Shirik | is there some official documentation |
| 23:40.45 | Shirik | because I can't find it |
| 23:40.45 | amro | yes |
| 23:40.50 | amro | but |
| 23:40.53 | amro | I rarely use the docs |
| 23:40.59 | amro | I just do something like |
| 23:41.13 | amro | dir({}) |
| 23:41.34 | Cide | ... |
| 23:41.35 | amro | then something like |
| 23:41.37 | Cide | so bad amro |
| 23:41.37 | amro | >>> print({}.has_key.__doc__) |
| 23:41.41 | Cide | you are |
| 23:41.42 | Cide | so bad |
| 23:41.44 | amro | why? |
| 23:41.46 | Cide | don't listen to him |
| 23:41.52 | Cide | help(dict.has_key) |
| 23:41.58 | amro | I don't like help |
| 23:41.58 | Cide | but what you want is the "in" keyword |
| 23:42.15 | Shirik | ? |
| 23:42.20 | Cide | if "key" in dict: |
| 23:43.43 | amro | sylvanaar: here's the test case: f = function() end |
| 23:43.44 | amro | that's it |
| 23:43.54 | amro | mouseover it, then hit ctrl-f1 when the tooltip shows up |
| 23:44.20 | Shirik | if it's a variable |
| 23:44.25 | Shirik | if not word in dict: |
| 23:44.26 | Shirik | is ok? |
| 23:44.29 | Cide | yes |
| 23:44.45 | Cide | alternatively if word not in dict |
| 23:44.59 | Cide | the two are equivalent |
| 23:45.15 | amro | along with has_key ~! |
| 23:45.17 | sylvanaar | amro: im pretty sure i just introduced that bug, it has to do with the code formatter |
| 23:45.22 | Cide | has_key is bad |
| 23:45.28 | sylvanaar | just press enter after function |
| 23:45.28 | amro | it's the same |
| 23:45.30 | Cide | no |
| 23:45.39 | Cide | on dicts it is |
| 23:45.45 | Shirik | um |
| 23:45.47 | amro | what else are we talking about? |
| 23:45.48 | Cide | but in works on lists too |
| 23:45.50 | Shirik | I don't know but has_key totally didn't work |
| 23:45.50 | Shirik | so |
| 23:45.57 | Shirik | "in" worked |
| 23:45.59 | amro | yeah, I find it ambiguous personally |
| 23:46.09 | Cide | python _is_ duck typing :P |
| 23:46.14 | Cide | so embrace it or gtfo |
| 23:46.48 | amro | err yeah if my code gets a list when I expect a dict, that's a problem |
| 23:47.02 | amro | duck typing is useful |
| 23:47.06 | Cide | not if it supports in |
| 23:47.09 | Cide | and iteration |
| 23:47.12 | Cide | depends on what you want to do |
| 23:47.15 | amro | yes |
| 23:47.16 | amro | of course |
| 23:47.30 | Cide | but if you expect a dict and therefore use has_key, you're bad |
| 23:47.41 | amro | no, I'm not |
| 23:47.43 | Cide | it's better to do a key lookup and catch KeyError |
| 23:47.47 | amro | no |
| 23:47.49 | amro | I'm not doing that |
| 23:47.52 | Cide | why not? |
| 23:48.01 | Cide | if it supports key lookups you should be able to handle it |
| 23:48.02 | amro | because I don't reach for my right ear with my left hand |
| 23:48.07 | amro | er |
| 23:48.10 | Cide | you don't need has_key |
| 23:48.16 | Cide | if it supports in and key lookups and iteration |
| 23:48.17 | amro | you're assuming the dict is coming from user code somewhere else |
| 23:48.25 | Cide | doesn't matter |
| 23:48.29 | amro | sure it does |
| 23:48.36 | Cide | if you made a mistake in your assumptions you'll get an exception and fix the code |
| 23:48.54 | amro | I would get that with has_key just as well |
| 23:49.01 | Cide | but has_key is much less general than in |
| 23:49.11 | amro | precisely why I'd want it |
| 23:49.15 | Cide | ... |
| 23:49.18 | Cide | that's totally anti-python |
| 23:49.28 | Cide | if it supports everything you want from an object, accept the object |
| 23:49.34 | amro | so are type-checking decorators |
| 23:49.50 | Cide | who suggested type-checking decorators? |
| 23:50.01 | amro | they're somewhere in the PEP on decorators |
| 23:50.06 | Cide | well yeah |
| 23:50.08 | DWSR | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:50.10 | Cide | sometimes they're needed |
| 23:50.19 | Cide | so is has_key |
| 23:50.27 | Cide | but not for that use case |
| 23:51.44 | amro | right, so stop blanketing your vague "bad" comment all over it |
| 23:51.52 | Cide | that wasn't very serious |
| 23:51.59 | Cide | but for your use case it totally doesn't seem that you need it |
| 23:52.03 | amro | python is serious business |
| 23:52.05 | Cide | I've never had a use for it |
| 23:52.22 | foxlit | hisssssssss? |
| 23:52.55 | amro | more like niiiiiiiiiiii |
| 23:53.44 | Adys | Tah-duh |
| 23:53.44 | Adys | http://source.winehq.org/git/wine.git/?a=commitdiff;h=cf72f406ec7cdfebbd5135ede6e45547ca82dae0 |
| 23:54.34 | Jerub | i just wish i could run wow in linux without it killing my laptop on start |
| 23:55.08 | amro | I smell intel or ati |
| 23:55.26 | Jerub | intel ;) |
| 23:55.42 | amro | epic was right |
| 23:55.43 | amro | intel is evil |
| 23:55.49 | amro | (as far as graphics chips are concerned) |
| 23:56.36 | Jerub | epic? |
| 23:56.40 | Jerub | intel are wonderful. |
| 23:56.49 | Jerub | too bad they don't do graphics very well :? |
| 23:57.09 | amro | epic games |
| 23:57.15 | amro | this was a few years back |
