| 00:00.00 | Dagmar | They don't go all emo and say "It's only a bug, it's not exploitable" and then blow another two weeks while the researcher looks for a way to actually exploit the bug |
| 00:00.05 | Humbedooh | I wonder how long it takes them to patch Fisker whenever they get a report of a bug |
| 00:00.08 | Dagmar | They just freaking patch it and move on. |
| 00:00.22 | Jamash | I was going to say Apple but I realized someone would take it seriously |
| 00:00.28 | Humbedooh | hrr |
| 00:00.32 | A-KO | Dagmar: I dunno, MS has been pretty damn good with its latest generations of OS'. It's a right shame that you can't keep that in mind, but I'm done arguing |
| 00:00.34 | A-KO | I'm off to play IE9 |
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| 00:00.45 | Dagmar | You have fun with that. Enjoy your keylogger. |
| 00:00.45 | A-KO | and just an FYI, I was an instant convert to Chrome as soon as it came out. IE9 does it better :P |
| 00:00.49 | A-KO | heh |
| 00:01.13 | Humbedooh | as long as it's _his_ keylogger, what's the problem ;p |
| 00:01.17 | Dagmar | Yeah because first impressions are so much better than everything else for choosing product fitness |
| 00:01.18 | A-KO | I haven't had a virus on my system in many, many, many years. 1998 I think is the last time I had something. |
| 00:01.33 | A-KO | and that was because I ran a "keygen" :P |
| 00:01.54 | A-KO | I was naive....heh |
| 00:01.56 | Humbedooh | my first and only virus was in 1995 - I copied it to a floppy disk and proudly showed it to people :\ |
| 00:02.00 | A-KO | before that, I think it was a boot virus |
| 00:02.03 | A-KO | Stealth.Boot.B |
| 00:02.19 | A-KO | the way to tell was "conventional ram" was 636K instead of 640K :P |
| 00:02.21 | Wobin | what a silly name |
| 00:02.22 | A-KO | as it used 4K for itself |
| 00:02.26 | Wobin | not very stealthy, if you ask me |
| 00:02.30 | A-KO | lol Wobin |
| 00:02.49 | A-KO | considering I can remember the viruses I've had by name.....I don't get many of them...heh |
| 00:03.13 | Ressy | lol. I remember my only one. NATAS. Got it from the damned school. |
| 00:03.22 | A-KO | oh Comcast you fucking cunts |
| 00:03.25 | A-KO | hijack my DNS |
| 00:03.32 | Dagmar | ckknight: This is a more reasonable explanation of killbits http://www.pcsympathy.com/2008/04/10/activex-killbits/ but it's still basically an "allow everything until someone decides we shouldn't allow X" approach to not-actually-using-a-sandbox |
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| 00:03.48 | A-KO | Dagmar: Actually, IE7/8 under Vista/7 are sandboxed |
| 00:03.56 | A-KO | as long as you aren't a dumbfuck and turn off UAC |
| 00:04.06 | A-KO | Chrome is the only other browser in WIndows that leverages the same technology |
| 00:04.11 | A-KO | by lowering its process integrity level |
| 00:04.21 | Ressy | Are you bashing disabling UAC? |
| 00:04.21 | A-KO | though Chrome has additional sandboxing stuff as well |
| 00:04.36 | A-KO | Ressy: I've got UAC kicked to the max, with DEP enabled on all applications |
| 00:04.55 | Dagmar | this is me, still not caring. |
| 00:04.57 | Jamash | DEP took what, a couple of months to defeat? |
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| 00:05.25 | Dagmar | Too many _years_ of hearing people finding exploits, reportin them to Microsoft, and then MS's first response is to try to ensure it's all kept quiet |
| 00:05.52 | Dagmar | ...while they spank around for _months_ without patching something that's actually already being exploited by the time they get around to it. |
| 00:06.16 | ckknight | Dagmar: at least they recommend against ActiveX now |
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| 00:06.39 | Humbedooh | hrr, Dagmar, that's just because microsoft had a crappy chain of command when it came to bugs :> |
| 00:07.00 | KarlKFI|work | had? |
| 00:07.15 | Humbedooh | I can only speak of my time at microsoft, hence "had" |
| 00:07.20 | Dagmar | Humbedooh: No it's more like they consider it cheaper to cover it up, and to drag their feet, and to _spin doctor_ things |
| 00:08.06 | Humbedooh | getting in touch with steve or bill was easier than making a bug report :p |
| 00:08.14 | Dagmar | Now that they've finally got their incident count down to a reasonable level, they want to try and spin that and ignore their recess time issue |
| 00:08.39 | Dagmar | The whole "let's call it a beta until a whole lot of people have reviewed it" thing also sticks in my craw |
| 00:08.47 | Humbedooh | most of the times, we just stuck the bugs inside a box in Clarify and hoped someone would notice it |
| 00:08.52 | KarlKFI|work | like Google? |
| 00:09.11 | Dagmar | KarlKFI|work: At least by the time they get around to taking the beta tag off something it's been pretty damn tested |
| 00:09.59 | Humbedooh | oh how I don't miss Clarify... |
| 00:11.02 | Dagmar | I mean, christ Microsoft has guys today sending out press releases about completely fictional products they don't even have a working prototype for |
| 00:11.24 | Jamash | In related news, I hear Duke Nukem Forever is actually coming out |
| 00:11.46 | Dagmar | Jamash: Until I see a box in a store I'm still thinking it was a big old hoax they were playing at PAX |
| 00:12.32 | Dagmar | There's still time for something stupid to ruin Gearbox's release plans... like a meteor landing on their offices or something |
| 00:13.01 | KarlKFI|work | maybe they offended god |
| 00:13.16 | Dagmar | Considering the francise you say "maybe?" |
| 00:13.39 | KarlKFI|work | i'm not convinced god takes offense |
| 00:13.59 | Dagmar | Me neither, but Duke's practically a freaking poster child for indiscriminate video game violence |
| 00:14.06 | Dagmar | ...not to mention misogyny. |
| 00:14.32 | Xyphoid | reminds me of that isaac asimov story about the time travelling compound |
| 00:14.53 | Jamash | Thiotimolene? |
| 00:14.58 | Xyphoid | when they tried to cause a paradox by not adding the water after it dissolved, a hurricane threatened |
| 00:15.27 | Xyphoid | that's the one |
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| 00:16.18 | Dagmar | Not the upwhen/downwhen thing? |
| 00:16.39 | Xyphoid | naw, that's the End of Eternity |
| 00:17.17 | Wobin | http://i.imgur.com/jacoj.jpg |
| 00:17.27 | Jamash | My dad asked Asimov some technical question about thiotimolen one time and Asimov just laughed and pointed out that my dad wasn't even in grade school when he wrote the story |
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| 00:19.08 | Jamash | then there's Rapidly Rotating Massive Cylinders and the Possibility of Global Causality Violation |
| 00:21.41 | Dagmar | He *very* much liked the idea of causality violations |
| 00:21.51 | Jamash | well, that one was Larry Niven |
| 00:28.21 | Jerub | Dagmar: i know a company that got a prestigious award for a product their salespeople had thought up and run past a programmer one friday afternoon over beers |
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| 00:30.19 | Dagmar | Jerub: ? |
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| 00:31.21 | Jerub | Dagmar: uh, in reference to your microsoft thing above about press releases about products there's no prototype for. |
| 00:31.39 | Jerub | Dagmar: i know of one corp that got an award for a product they had no prototype for. |
| 00:31.55 | Dagmar | It mainly bugs me that there's definitely a double-standard here. |
| 00:32.16 | Dagmar | Microsoft regularly manages to get good press over things which simply _don't exist_ |
| 00:33.07 | Dagmar | ...and I'm guessing it's ad revenue that keeps anyone from really mentioning more than in passing that almost all the windows phones suck a big fat cock for bugginess and about the only patch of merit shipped to a lot of them was for the DST change |
| 00:33.25 | Dagmar | Yet somehow the very idea of Win7 phones gets glowing write ups? |
| 00:33.31 | Dagmar | Are all these people just that high? |
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| 00:35.48 | Dagmar | Two things that double your mail server hardware requirements: |
| 00:35.50 | Dagmar | 1. Spam. |
| 00:35.55 | Dagmar | 2. Microsoft Exchange. |
| 00:36.37 | Dagmar | Not even kidding about that, either. |
| 00:37.06 | Jerub | Dagmar: 'double' meaning 'requires to scale up significantly' right? |
| 00:37.36 | Kraps | microsoft sez to Dagmar: haters gonna hate |
| 00:37.50 | Jerub | because i have mail servers for 50 users running on 512mb of ram and a 1ghz via cpu that are just *little* sluggish in virus scanning email because clamav's memory requirements upped recently due to their new LLVM thing |
| 00:38.20 | Jerub | i don't think you can even install exchange on that, let alone actually process the mail |
| 00:39.03 | Jerub | also, spam doesn't double hardware requirements, not unless you're doing anti-spam things that aren't sane. |
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| 00:46.57 | Ama|raid | yay 4/12 |
| 00:47.01 | Jerub | Ama|raid: win. |
| 00:47.04 | Ama|raid | waiting for new sub to enter dungeon. |
| 00:47.09 | Jerub | Ama|raid: 10 or 25? |
| 00:47.10 | Ama|raid | Jerub: not really |
| 00:47.12 | Ama|raid | 25 |
| 00:47.18 | Ama|raid | I hit the taunt key by accident on saurfang and died :| |
| 00:47.37 | Ama|raid | but by then he was down to like 5% so it didn't really matter ... still a repair bill though |
| 00:47.41 | Jerub | at least with 30% buff you'll not have trouble with enrage timer on festergut |
| 00:47.53 | Ama|raid | changed a bar after that |
| 00:47.57 | Jerub | piffle. i had a 52g repair bill last week, for an 11/12 run |
| 00:47.58 | Ama|raid | moved dark command from alt-2 to alt-0 |
| 00:48.05 | Ama|raid | because alt-1 is my blood tap and that's how I taunted by mistake |
| 00:48.31 | Ama|raid | like I said, saurfang was so low that it didn't matter for the raid but I still died :P |
| 00:48.48 | Jerub | after saurfangis on 15%, i just burst dps as a tank, ignoring rune marks. |
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| 00:49.00 | Jerub | bang all CDs and ignor ethe tauntswap |
| 00:49.16 | Jerub | is that your first time in 25? |
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| 00:50.23 | DWSR | I don't bother to tauntswap DBS anymore. |
| 00:50.32 | DWSR | It's such a joke. |
| 00:51.04 | DWSR | Have the other tank go DPS, lawluwin |
| 00:51.07 | DWSR | Anyway |
| 00:53.04 | Jerub | DWSR: how many marks does that result in? |
| 00:53.28 | DWSR | Last time we did it, we got 3. |
| 00:53.33 | Jerub | part of my problem is that unless i unglyph, i also attract agro on beasts. |
| 00:53.52 | Jerub | and banging CDs means attracting beasts |
| 00:54.03 | Jerub | so i tank very carefully and circumspectly on that fight |
| 00:55.07 | Jerub | if you'r edoing the tauntswap, always let the bear tank second, so he doesn't taunt in time with the beasts spawning. |
| 00:56.16 | DWSR | Jerub: Just don't bother taunting and have the bear go kitty |
| 00:56.18 | Xyphoid | heart striking beasts is so embarassing. then i did the rest of the raid with blood strike instead of heart strike after switching it out on the fly. whoops. |
| 00:56.30 | Jerub | DWSR: my kitty dps is a joke :( |
| 00:56.39 | DWSR | Xyphoid: I always blame that on a stupid paladin or warrior. |
| 00:56.50 | DWSR | Xyphoid: thing is, though, that if you do attract a beast, just have all the melee switch. |
| 00:56.53 | DWSR | Poof. |
| 00:56.53 | DWSR | dead. |
| 00:57.27 | Xyphoid | all our melee rerolled ranged |
| 00:57.31 | DWSR | lawl |
| 00:57.35 | DWSR | smart players |
| 00:57.44 | Jerub | a friend wants a wireless gaming headset (mic+headphones) |
| 00:57.48 | Jerub | any recommendations? |
| 00:59.09 | DWSR | Just get something with BT |
| 00:59.14 | DWSR | That you can pair to your phone |
| 00:59.21 | Jerub | phone? |
| 00:59.39 | Jerub | the android mumble client sucks. |
| 01:00.41 | DWSR | No. |
| 01:00.44 | DWSR | Pair it to your computer |
| 01:01.01 | DWSR | But something that you can use with your phone as well. 2 birds, 1 stone. |
| 01:03.00 | Torhal | So, anyone who says that powerline ethernet works cross-circuit lies. |
| 01:03.45 | Torhal | The new room we just had built is on its own circuit - I had to run an extension cord to the adapter before I could get online. |
| 01:05.19 | Yssaril | Torhal: might as well run a cat5 cable then :P |
| 01:05.40 | SqueeG | stab it |
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| 01:06.44 | Dagmar | but.... but... it has powah! |
| 01:07.16 | Dagmar | Torhal: Wait, you expected it to work on isolated and dampened circuits? |
| 01:07.20 | Cidan | fff |
| 01:07.22 | Cidan | realms down |
| 01:07.23 | Cidan | :( |
| 01:07.26 | Cidan | on live |
| 01:07.28 | Cidan | boo |
| 01:07.49 | Dagmar | PTR IZ UP. LESS QQ, MOAR QA. |
| 01:07.59 | Cidan | lol |
| 01:08.35 | Dagmar | Seriously tho, last night there were like three new dwarves including myself in Dun Morough |
| 01:08.49 | Dagmar | Meybe 25 people wailing on the dummies in Ironforge |
| 01:09.11 | Dagmar | ...and probably twice as many apparently testing running laps around Dalaran. |
| 01:09.12 | Kraps | Dagmar: everyone is in elwynn/SW |
| 01:09.27 | Dagmar | Kraps: What are they doin' there? |
| 01:09.49 | Kraps | asking the same questions over and over |
| 01:09.57 | Dagmar | Okay well that I figured |
| 01:10.02 | Jamash | there's a guild <HOW DO I MAKE WORGEN> on the PTR |
| 01:10.33 | Dagmar | Is <NO DIGSITES FOR YOU> taken yet? |
| 01:10.43 | Dagmar | ;) |
| 01:11.14 | Dagmar | Even I made a careful lap around Ironforge just to be sure there was no archaeology yhet |
| 01:15.28 | Kraps | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/26859146207/multiple-realms-unavailable-09-15-10 |
| 01:19.33 | Cidan | yuh |
| 01:19.37 | Cidan | Ruin and Vindication are down |
| 01:19.48 | Cidan | sucks, because I was supposed to start AQ40 now |
| 01:19.59 | Cidan | and get my C'Thun achievement, :/ |
| 01:28.08 | Kraps | http://cityhallblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/07/dallas-county-meeting-turns-ra.html |
| 01:31.30 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 01:36.42 | Dagmar | Kraps: That's actually pretty old news |
| 01:36.49 | Kraps | i know |
| 01:38.31 | Dagmar | I think two people involved in that should have been required to attend seminar about cosmology at the nearest available planetarium, and one of them should have apologized for the deliberately insensitive "white hole" comment. |
| 01:39.07 | Dagmar | 'cuz one of those people were stupid, and one of those people were being racist, and they was the same person |
| 01:40.05 | Jamash | PTR DOWN QQQQQQ |
| 01:40.19 | Dagmar | oNOEz |
| 01:41.08 | Jamash | ptr back up, we now return to your regularly scheduled irc |
| 01:41.14 | Dagmar | Now what would be cool right now is if there was ANY sort of fire going on in like Palo Alto |
| 01:41.23 | Jerub | has anyone tried icc in PTR yet? |
| 01:41.39 | Dagmar | You could post to the forums a link to it and surmise that it might be connected to the datacenter and watch the newbs start panicking |
| 01:41.53 | Dagmar | Jerub: You likey pain? |
| 01:42.18 | Ama|raid | wow we're wiping on rotface |
| 01:42.22 | Wobin | Kraps: argh, can't they alphabetise it? |
| 01:42.26 | ckknight | Ama|raid: fail |
| 01:42.40 | ckknight | Ama|raid: we 23-manned rotface in one shot last night |
| 01:42.48 | Dagmar | Ama: Think abou twhat happens when you get to BQ. |
| 01:45.01 | Legorol | Ama|raid: cool, you are raiding! well done |
| 01:45.03 | Legorol | Having fun? |
| 01:46.13 | Kraps | i'm not getting the joke here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjKE1axJ0TU&NR=1 |
| 01:47.57 | Dagmar | They're making fun of the amount of bullshit being spun about how things are going over there. |
| 01:48.16 | Dagmar | Might as well have been talking about a fictional country, so Onion made a fictional country up. |
| 01:48.23 | Ama|raid | Legorol: yup. |
| 01:48.28 | Ama|raid | wiping on rotface but still having fun |
| 01:48.34 | Legorol | pug? |
| 01:49.17 | Kraps | ah |
| 01:53.17 | cog|away | !api sound |
| 01:53.17 | lua_bot | Found 18 possible matches for 'sound'. Please be more specific |
| 01:53.24 | cog|away | !api system |
| 01:53.24 | lua_bot | Found 19 possible matches for 'system'. Please be more specific |
| 01:53.29 | cog|away | !api soundsystem |
| 01:53.29 | lua_bot | Sound_GameSystem_RestartSoundSystem: Restarts the game's sound systems (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/Sound_GameSystem_RestartSoundSystem) |
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| 01:58.40 | Kraps | best game ever |
| 01:58.43 | Kraps | http://www.closerangegame.com/ |
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| 02:09.05 | Ama|raid | raid called after 6/12 |
| 02:09.13 | Amarande | pug wasn't so gret this week |
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| 02:15.32 | Thunder_Child | thats been around for a bit Kraps |
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| 02:27.30 | cogwheel | lol... i just "got" a bunch of SC references in netherstorm -_- |
| 02:28.00 | cogwheel | Etherium Overlord, Etherium Archon, Etherium Nexus-Stalker... |
| 02:29.22 | Humbedooh | :) |
| 02:29.32 | Humbedooh | gently pats cogwheel. |
| 02:30.29 | Xyphoid | ethereals are cool, i hope we see more of them at some point |
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| 02:36.50 | Dagmar | Perhaps when we raid the Plane of Charmin |
| 02:37.36 | Dagmar | ...or maybe The Isle of Cot'tonelle |
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| 02:41.31 | Dagmar | Seriosuly, I see those guys and I just wanna grab a bit to wipe with later |
| 02:45.24 | Wobin | yeah, you kill them and then when you walk away, there's always a bodypart dragging off the bottom of your shoe |
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| 02:48.05 | Xyphoid | and here we have the rare and dangerous tiedie ethereal |
| 02:49.36 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* 2 11 hour days in a row.....and another looking to rear it's ugly head tomorrow |
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| 02:50.28 | Arrowmaster | stuff keeps falling out of my freezer every time i open it |
| 02:51.52 | Wobin | perhaps you should eat some of the stuff |
| 02:52.02 | Wobin | or stop facing your fridge downhill |
| 02:52.21 | Thunder_Child | or not opening it |
| 02:54.25 | Amarande | starts pondering classes on a new server |
| 02:54.31 | Amarande | hunter ... or shaman. hunter ... or shaman. |
| 02:54.40 | Amarande | I feel like doing LW so I should pick one of those. |
| 03:01.08 | Legorol | shaman |
| 03:01.22 | Motig | Druid |
| 03:01.25 | Motig | :< |
| 03:01.26 | Motig | ? |
| 03:01.37 | Jerub | Druid. |
| 03:02.09 | Xyphoid | bard |
| 03:02.42 | Adys | Anyone around good with css? |
| 03:02.50 | Humbedooh | maaaybe |
| 03:03.02 | Jerub | Adys: i'm bad but i know what i'm doing.. |
| 03:03.03 | Humbedooh | but it'll have to be fast, I be off to bed |
| 03:03.15 | Kraps | fiesta |
| 03:03.23 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/a/4601 |
| 03:03.30 | kd3 | rofl - beta loading tip: "Don't stand in the fire!" |
| 03:03.31 | Adys | Im trying to set a max width on .tta-criteria |
| 03:03.49 | Adys | but it's not doing anything |
| 03:03.52 | Adys | nice kd3 |
| 03:04.40 | Humbedooh | hrmmz, gotta get web developer again |
| 03:04.56 | Adys | just use chrome's builtin web inspector :p |
| 03:05.07 | Dagmar | kd3: Seriously? That's freaking awesome. |
| 03:05.15 | Amarande | oh right, druid and rogue also work with LW |
| 03:05.32 | Amarande | that's almost unfair. LW has a monopoly now on *two* of the four armor types crafting-wise |
| 03:05.55 | Dagmar | So what |
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| 03:06.12 | Humbedooh | I don't see tta-criteria anywhere ;\ |
| 03:06.23 | Adys | its the table |
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| 03:06.55 | Xyphoid | in conclusion clearly we should add mail to tailoring |
| 03:06.56 | Humbedooh | s/anywhere/anywhere in the css file/ |
| 03:07.12 | Adys | tooltip.css:130 |
| 03:07.27 | Dagmar | Nah, it's still basically the same number of classes/roles as tailors and blacksmutch |
| 03:07.28 | Adys | but |
| 03:07.32 | Dagmar | er smiths |
| 03:07.33 | Adys | its not set in the css |
| 03:07.39 | Adys | Im trying to set it in the web inspector |
| 03:09.14 | Amarande | Dagmar: tailors only have cloth, and smiths only have plate beyond classic levels |
| 03:09.16 | Humbedooh | hmm, can't get web dev to work in ff 4.0 ;\ I shall have to look at it when I wake up |
| 03:09.20 | Amarande | that disappointed me, actually |
| 03:09.33 | Amarande | I did BS on my hunter and then discovered past 300 that you never get any mail anymore |
| 03:09.35 | Amarande | that all went to LW |
| 03:09.46 | Dagmar | Amarande: Same people wearin' it |
| 03:09.54 | Dagmar | _That_ is why |
| 03:10.40 | Dagmar | A couple of classes go from leather to mail then |
| 03:10.47 | Dagmar | Only paladins go from mail to plate afaik |
| 03:10.51 | Xyphoid | and warriors |
| 03:10.57 | Xyphoid | nobody gets plate before 40 |
| 03:11.26 | Dagmar | Ah well there you go |
| 03:11.30 | Xyphoid | but blacksmithing has mail 1-40 then just plate, and leatherworking only has mail after level 40 |
| 03:11.37 | Xyphoid | (iirc) |
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| 03:11.58 | Dagmar | Because the leather-wearers *who are not rogues* start wearing mail then |
| 03:12.08 | Dagmar | We have a word for hunters who wear leather past level 40. |
| 03:12.09 | Xyphoid | or druids. |
| 03:12.11 | Dagmar | "Perverts" |
| 03:12.14 | Motig | Druids! |
| 03:13.15 | Dagmar | Shut up and heal, tree |
| 03:13.22 | Xyphoid | but i heard a rumor that druids are being removed, so i've decided to take that as gospel and draw all my future conclusions based on that |
| 03:13.51 | Dagmar | I heard hunters are going to be able to tame druids as a form of MC in PvP and then use them as mounts! |
| 03:14.38 | Dagmar | I am *so* looking forward to the new dwarf racial |
| 03:14.59 | Dagmar | iz in ur raids, rollin on yr maces |
| 03:15.15 | Xyphoid | seems plausible. clearly this means that nobody will ever learn engineering again, because who would want a motorbike when you can have druids |
| 03:15.28 | Xyphoid | i'm going to go complain that gnomes have been nerfed because of this |
| 03:15.36 | Dagmar | good riddans to that munny sink |
| 03:16.48 | Amarande | Dagmar: ehh |
| 03:16.58 | Amarande | I wore leather pieces until 50 or so on my hunter |
| 03:17.08 | Amarande | there's some slots that are really hard to replace with mail before 50-60 actually |
| 03:17.24 | Amarande | chest comes to mind ... I was using the ilvl 29 Thousand Needles chestpiece until the 50s |
| 03:17.26 | Dagmar | Not when you're a leatherworker. |
| 03:17.37 | Amarande | because the only opportunity I really had to replace it was the icemail jerkin that dropped in ZF once |
| 03:17.48 | Amarande | and of course the bastards I was with needed on it to sell, even though I needed to well, NEED |
| 03:17.53 | Amarande | frickin mal'ganis leeches |
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| 03:18.20 | Amarande | one thing I definitely won't miss when I roll on misha or quel'dorei |
| 03:18.25 | Amarande | mal'ganis people |
| 03:18.27 | Amarande | :S |
| 03:18.57 | Amarande | though something grinding my gears still is that I want a purple spider |
| 03:19.00 | Amarande | and I can't get one till cata at least |
| 03:19.04 | Amarande | beta people: |
| 03:19.11 | Amarande | are the purple +81 spiders in naxxramas tamable? |
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| 03:19.22 | Dagmar | http://thottbot.com/i8203 |
| 03:19.33 | Amarande | since the only other place that skin appears is in stormpeaks and you DEFINITELY can't tame those |
| 03:19.56 | Dagmar | Amarande: We've been over this before. Generally they don't let you tame *anything* in dungeons because it's too easy to clear trash that way |
| 03:20.06 | Amarande | Dagmar: that's not my experience |
| 03:20.20 | Amarande | unless they changed their tune in LK, dungeon mobs have normally been tamable if they are not bosses |
| 03:20.42 | Dagmar | They weren't when you could roflstomp them |
| 03:20.44 | Amarande | in fact, every now and then I get guildie hunters asking for help with Sethekk to tame the birds there |
| 03:21.25 | Amarande | the only reason I'm asking beta people about those specific spiders |
| 03:21.33 | Amarande | is that there are only two purple spiders in the whole game |
| 03:21.50 | Amarande | and the only ones that are definitely known not to be tamable are above level 80, thus only beta people would even be able to know if they can be |
| 03:21.59 | Amarande | er, not definitely known not to be tamable |
| 03:22.01 | Amarande | you know what I mean |
| 03:22.13 | Amarande | there's one in stormpeaks that's 79-80 and can't be tamed, and the other ones are in naxxramas and 81 |
| 03:22.19 | Amarande | so there's no way to tell on live because they're above level |
| 03:22.32 | Dagmar | Are you talking about the weird level 5 spider that was involved in a quest in BC? |
| 03:22.57 | Dagmar | Hmm... |
| 03:23.05 | Dagmar | Petopia sez you can tame those in cata |
| 03:23.10 | Amarande | yay petopia says they're tamable |
| 03:23.16 | Amarande | no, I haven't heard of a level 5 spider |
| 03:23.19 | Amarande | that has that skin |
| 03:23.36 | Dagmar | There was some mob or other that was part of the dranei noob quests |
| 03:23.43 | Xyphoid | that was a ravager |
| 03:23.49 | Dagmar | COuld be |
| 03:23.56 | Dagmar | Too long ago for me to really care |
| 03:24.06 | Amarande | http://www.wowhead.com/npc=15974 is the mob I'm speaking of |
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| 03:24.25 | Amarande | that appears in Naxx, and is 81 |
| 03:24.33 | Amarande | and is actually one of only TWO mobs with that skin. |
| 03:24.35 | Dagmar | Yes, this one http://www.wow-petopia.com/look/minespiderskinviolet.html |
| 03:24.39 | Amarande | yeah that |
| 03:24.53 | Amarande | can't get it yet because the ones in stormpeaks aren't tamable. |
| 03:24.59 | Amarande | I'm really not sure why. |
| 03:25.16 | Amarande | they *are* quest mobs, but other beasts have been involved as quest targets before and haven't been untamable as a result |
| 03:25.29 | Amarande | in fact, there's been some pet skins you can ONLY get by triggering quest mobs (that one cat in barrens comes to mind) |
| 03:26.08 | Dagmar | They're probably trying to keep the graphics textures down or something |
| 03:26.30 | KarlKFI | i dont that was even considered |
| 03:26.30 | Dagmar | Either way, I have the oozeling and hydra pets. |
| 03:26.33 | Dagmar | So there. |
| 03:26.33 | KarlKFI | doubt* |
| 03:27.16 | Dagmar | It's gonna be like freakin Pokemon for hunters in cata |
| 03:27.40 | Dagmar | Gotta go get me another Core Hound, and then Pitch, then maybe another worm... |
| 03:27.42 | KarlKFI | it isn't already? |
| 03:27.59 | Dagmar | Hunters are getting a BUNCH more slots. |
| 03:28.03 | Dagmar | 20 I think they were sayin'. |
| 03:28.16 | Dagmar | Five more or less as hot-swappable as they are now |
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| 03:30.31 | Dagmar | I've had this one white gorilla since about two days after they got Thunderstomp, and I'm glad I no longer have to throw him out if I spot a sparklebear |
| 03:30.38 | mikma | cairenn: put this up in wowi: http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/termsofservice.jpg |
| 03:31.00 | Cairenn | heh, yeah |
| 03:32.25 | mikma | cairenn: in 24 hours there will be 3 of us in our family :) |
| 03:32.33 | Cairenn | YAY!!!!! |
| 03:33.32 | mikma | c-sectio is reserved tomorrow, we need to go to the hospital at 7.15 and they will prolly take wife in first |
| 03:33.55 | Ressy | Hope you've had a lot of sleep the last few days. :) |
| 03:34.05 | mikma | boss just called |
| 03:34.19 | mikma | "today is a quiet day, go and drill with the other dude, take turns" |
| 03:34.24 | Xyphoid | if you want to permanently damage your friends include mid-c-section photos in the baby shots |
| 03:34.26 | Xyphoid | worked on us |
| 03:34.36 | Amarande | Xyphoid: ehh |
| 03:34.44 | Dagmar | So what happens if there's a change of plans? You go in first? |
| 03:34.47 | Amarande | I've seen Alien, I'm sure a C-section photo can't be more unnerving |
| 03:34.50 | mikma | so i asked could i stay home if the day is quiet and spend this day with wife, "yeah, that's cool" |
| 03:34.52 | Dagmar | Oh wait, you already did that |
| 03:34.59 | Dagmar | *D |
| 03:35.19 | Amarande | Cairenn, do you think most servers these days have gone to the level of hardcore that they forget WoW was supposed to be fun? |
| 03:35.29 | mikma | should i take the videocamera in at the other end |
| 03:35.31 | Cairenn | not all |
| 03:35.52 | Dagmar | Amarande: Like I said last night, sounds like your server is overrun with jackasses man |
| 03:36.01 | Amarande | I've only seen a couple (Misha and Quel'dorei, specifically) that haven't been infected with it |
| 03:36.12 | Amarande | and I can also sadly understand it though :S |
| 03:36.22 | Amarande | once a server gets a really hardcore guild that's mowing them down like pros |
| 03:36.39 | Amarande | an ever increasing number of people start feeling "hey, I want to be like them!" |
| 03:36.48 | Amarande | and a toxic, obsessive mentality starts to poison the server |
| 03:36.55 | Dagmar | Hop out |
| 03:37.03 | cogwheel | Fisker: |
| 03:37.06 | Xyphoid | stop associating with pug raiders |
| 03:37.18 | Dagmar | Xyphoid: What? |
| 03:37.30 | Dagmar | Sounds like the wrong approach to me |
| 03:37.35 | Xyphoid | all your complaints seem to be related to people wanting high gear to get into pugs |
| 03:38.17 | Jerub | Xyphoid: man, Amarande complains about so much stuff i think of one thing that all his complaints are based on. |
| 03:38.23 | Dagmar | I'd say hop to another server and find some small guilds who fill out each other's extra spots |
| 03:39.04 | Jerub | Amarande: I got invited to a guild last week when i took a DPS spot in a toc10 in sub T9 gear on my mage. |
| 03:39.38 | Jerub | Amarande: Sometimes having a sparkling personality is all you need. You might want to try and work on that. |
| 03:40.01 | Dagmar | Getting less emo about changes can help yeah |
| 03:40.01 | Xyphoid | i suggest finding a RP guild |
| 03:40.06 | Xyphoid | they have a lot of fun |
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| 03:40.57 | Amarande | Jerub: yeah, and my personality actually is quite loved and sparkly when I'm feeling fully myself :) |
| 03:41.08 | Amarande | when I'm whining it means I'm usually pissed off about something and not quite fully me |
| 03:41.21 | Amarande | (and sadly, the end-of-expansion zeitgeist has always done that to me) |
| 03:41.36 | Dagmar | You don't say |
| 03:41.42 | Jerub | (i also took over raidleading their guild run because i actually rememberd the toc10 fights enough to RL. that's beside the point) |
| 03:41.48 | Amarande | I felt negative about WoW in general when BC was ending, too |
| 03:41.56 | Dagmar | Jerub: THat helps lots. :) |
| 03:41.56 | Amarande | then liked it a lot when LK got going |
| 03:42.07 | Amarande | then felt negative again as LK started to approach the end |
| 03:42.21 | Amarande | I think Cata might be more balanced, because we have the dungeon finder now |
| 03:42.32 | Dagmar | Nah |
| 03:42.35 | Amarande | one thing that always really got me was that in the days before the dungeon finder I found it very hard to get geared |
| 03:42.50 | Amarande | now it's easy for me to do dungeons when I want and not fall behind on dungeon-available gear |
| 03:42.57 | Jerub | what was dungeon finder? 3.3.3? |
| 03:42.58 | Amarande | Dagmar: you have to remember, I mostly play DPS |
| 03:43.00 | Amarande | and before dungeon finder |
| 03:43.11 | Amarande | you literally had to have a sub five second response time to "LF DPS" or it filled on you |
| 03:43.15 | Dagmar | What it'll mean is a bunch of people will queue for random normal instances 24/7 until they've gotten to 85, and then they'll go bitch on the forums aobut how there was no story in this expansion. |
| 03:43.15 | Jerub | 3.3.3 was all our christmas' come at once. |
| 03:43.31 | Amarande | most groups were full by the time I even noted in trade that DPS was desired |
| 03:43.39 | Dagmar | Amarande: That would be because you're a sheep. |
| 03:44.05 | Amarande | Dagmar: it would be because before the DF, I was almost completely dependent on trade channel groups, due to a severe role imbalance among my freinds |
| 03:44.08 | Dagmar | Try calling the shots once in awhile |
| 03:44.16 | Amarande | I have a couple of healers among my friends, and basically no tanks |
| 03:44.16 | Jerub | [Nubface] LF2M DTK, need tank and healer |
| 03:44.18 | Dagmar | No one can snatch your group slot when you're the one runnin git |
| 03:44.19 | Amarande | almost all of us are DPS |
| 03:44.20 | Jerub | that used to make me lol on trade |
| 03:44.40 | Amarande | or that's how it was in my days before the DF |
| 03:44.45 | Amarande | I do know a few tanks now |
| 03:45.03 | Amarande | but back then, nearly all my friends were DPS, with a few healers, and thus we always had huge trouble finding groups due to the chronic tank shortage |
| 03:45.18 | Amarande | on the good side, I expect Cata to not have tank shortage issues nearly so bad as LK and BC had |
| 03:45.37 | Amarande | Primarily, because in Cata the only thing that will really matter in terms of tank readiness is having enough HP |
| 03:45.48 | Amarande | No 565 def this time |
| 03:46.13 | Amarande | just decent gear with enough stamina and hopefully some avoidance and tanks can jump right in, the way that DPS and healers have always been able to jump right in |
| 03:46.44 | Amarande | I think we did agree last night that the def cap thing was at least partially responsible for the tank shortage currently |
| 03:47.40 | Amarande | well |
| 03:48.02 | Amarande | I guess that and the fact that because tanks are such an essential, that most of the few tanks that do make it tend to get squirreled away into raid guilds and hardly see the light of PUG again |
| 03:48.20 | Xyphoid | level a tank |
| 03:48.25 | Xyphoid | it's not rocket science |
| 03:49.15 | Amarande | yeah, that's one class I'm considering |
| 03:49.29 | Xyphoid | and dual spec makes things even easier |
| 03:49.31 | Amarande | I'm thinking between caster shaman, pally tank, or hunter when I settle into my next server |
| 03:49.39 | Amarande | maybe I'll just roll all three |
| 03:49.52 | Dagmar | DK! |
| 03:49.58 | Amarande | Dagmar: I've already DK'd the hell out of me |
| 03:50.00 | Xyphoid | anyone who complains about lacking tanks, and is on their second dps class or more, is an idiot |
| 03:50.20 | Amarande | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Turalyon&cn=Vladoka |
| 03:50.28 | Amarande | yeah I'd say I have a hell of a lot of experience on DK |
| 03:50.39 | Dagmar | Hell, I've got two DPS, a tank, and I'm making a healer in cata |
| 03:50.48 | Amarande | Xyphoid: well, partly it's because I personally don't really enjoy tanking all that much, except to some degree on Paladins |
| 03:50.55 | Amarande | and I haven't had a Paladin in a long while |
| 03:51.06 | Amarande | I've actually only ever had the two characters to hit 80 in LK, the warlock and the DK |
| 03:51.41 | Amarande | I tried blood tanking on Vladoka ... it was nice to help friends out but it doesn't really grab me as strongly as my frost DPS mainspec |
| 03:53.47 | Amarande | granted every now and then I've done a little tanking on frost dps but it's not really serious main tank stuff :) |
| 03:53.59 | Amarande | like one H-PoS run I apparently did actually tank the miniboss at the middle of the Rimefang tunnel |
| 03:55.53 | cogwheel | hmm.. ran out of quests with like 20 more before the achievement. turns out i never picked scryer/aldor -_- |
| 03:56.01 | cogwheel | (netherstorm) |
| 03:56.19 | cogwheel | oh and DKs are OP |
| 03:56.37 | cogwheel | soloed a 70g5 at 69 >< |
| 03:57.13 | cogwheel | is there a way to pick a faction without walking around with that stupid pink elemental? |
| 03:57.21 | Xyphoid | nope :/ |
| 03:57.27 | Xyphoid | and you can't just hang out at the end any more |
| 03:57.37 | Xyphoid | on the other hand being able to raid mark it is pretty sweet |
| 03:58.00 | cogwheel | heh |
| 03:58.20 | Xyphoid | solo raid marks are making loremastering so much easier |
| 03:59.12 | Xyphoid | actually, could you write a mod to automatically raid mark kill targets in your quest log when they come into range? |
| 03:59.54 | cogwheel | not without targeting them i think |
| 04:00.04 | cogwheel | or having some unit id or another |
| 04:01.20 | cogwheel | it even talks in pink |
| 04:01.49 | kd3 | ! |
| 04:01.53 | kd3 | !!!! |
| 04:01.59 | kd3 | HD ico and shadow of the colossus |
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| 04:02.20 | cogwheel | wut |
| 04:02.28 | Arrowmaster | now all i need is another ps3 |
| 04:02.31 | Jamash | I just put Auto Shot on my Druid's hotbar |
| 04:02.36 | Amarande | ehh, I pick scryer/aldor sometime during the mid 60s generally as a matter of course |
| 04:02.38 | kd3 | http://www.gameranx.com/updates/id/828/article/team-ico-and-shadow-of-colossus-spotted-in-famitsu/ |
| 04:02.39 | Amarande | the elemental really doesn't bug me much |
| 04:02.39 | Arrowmaster | since im not fucking updating the firmware on mine |
| 04:02.51 | Amarande | went Scryers on the lock, Aldor on the DK |
| 04:03.00 | cogwheel | Amarande: i avoided it on purpose 'cause of this damn quest -_- |
| 04:03.09 | Wobin | cogwheel: you could probably do it on mouseover |
| 04:03.14 | Wobin | (raidmarking) |
| 04:03.17 | cogwheel | Wobin: true |
| 04:03.25 | Wobin | that's how I originally wrote paintball |
| 04:03.45 | Wobin | it'd scan mouseover targets and raidmark them when you scrubbed the cursor across groups of mobs |
| 04:04.04 | Amarande | also on the subject of 'instance pets aren't tamable because it would disrupt' |
| 04:04.09 | Amarande | heroic King Dred is tamable. |
| 04:04.10 | cogwheel | hehe |
| 04:04.10 | Amarande | 'nuff said. |
| 04:04.17 | Wobin | Amarande: not so |
| 04:04.29 | Amarande | Wobin: according to Petopia testing he is, anyway |
| 04:04.32 | Wobin | the dogs in Ramparts are tamable |
| 04:04.34 | Amarande | can't do it on live, but you can in beta |
| 04:04.47 | Amarande | (only reason you can't do it on live is because you can't be the level) |
| 04:04.49 | Iriel | Great, my Xbox just RROD'ed |
| 04:05.06 | Amarande | Wobin: as, apparently, are the purple spiders in Naxx |
| 04:05.11 | Amarande | but you again have to wait till Cata |
| 04:05.13 | Wobin | yeah |
| 04:05.16 | Wobin | but not as cool looking |
| 04:05.20 | Xyphoid | yeah i kind of want a NPCscan equivalent for quest mobs |
| 04:05.21 | Amarande | hey |
| 04:05.23 | Wobin | (and not a wolf =P) |
| 04:05.24 | Amarande | I WANT A PURPLE SPIDER |
| 04:05.33 | Amarande | I like spider pets! |
| 04:05.45 | Wobin | Xyphoid: only work if they had unique skins |
| 04:05.51 | Jerub | Xyphoid: i use /tar <mobname> and then /qh radar if i can't see them |
| 04:05.53 | Wobin | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:06.02 | Xyphoid | yeah i use /ta and raid marks now |
| 04:06.06 | Xyphoid | er /tar |
| 04:07.34 | Amarande | I don't know why people still shy away from spiders |
| 04:07.40 | cogwheel | They need to make "short version" buttons account-wide, and add more of them imo... |
| 04:07.48 | Amarande | I understand why they USED to not want spiders, because spiders functionally were not very good pets in BC |
| 04:07.52 | Amarande | but nowadays? |
| 04:07.54 | Amarande | they're pretty good :S |
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| 04:25.34 | Jamash | I just put Fury of Frostmourne on my action bar |
| 04:27.01 | Amarande | hmm |
| 04:27.06 | Amarande | I should take another shot to refresh my stacks of "Drunk" |
| 04:27.07 | Xyphoid | pvp time! |
| 04:29.06 | Kraps | lists http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_PC_video_games |
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| 04:33.59 | Dagmar | Amarande: I typically down a cpu of sake when my toon drinks Kungaloosh |
| 04:34.08 | Dagmar | I find it makes the later bosses much more interesting |
| 04:34.17 | Jamash | I don't think it's a good idea to put sake on your cpu |
| 04:34.24 | Amarande | you drink the first cup of sake |
| 04:34.27 | Amarande | then the first cup drinks the second |
| 04:34.31 | Amarande | and then it's the sake that drinks you |
| 04:34.32 | Dagmar | argh. s/cpu/cup/ |
| 04:34.56 | Dagmar | Jamash: Although it would get it to about the right temperature |
| 04:34.57 | Amarande | also, time to figure out whether I want this hunter to be BM, MM, or Surv |
| 04:35.11 | Dagmar | Amarande: Whatever makes you happy |
| 04:35.14 | Jamash | what level you at? |
| 04:35.35 | Dagmar | The all three come out to about the same deal unless you're leveling, and then you probably want BM since it lets you get away with more stupid stuff |
| 04:35.48 | Amarande | Jamash: rolling anew |
| 04:36.02 | Jamash | yeah, what Dagmar said |
| 04:36.22 | Dagmar | Amarande: And for god's sake ignore the idiot spec-of-the-month people |
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| 04:36.55 | Amarande | yeah, I'm about to hit EJ |
| 04:36.57 | Dagmar | I've still got people trying to tell me my DPS will go up by 1,000's if I change spec to SV |
| 04:37.02 | Amarande | which tends to have the sanest and most explained spec suff |
| 04:37.06 | Amarande | although it really doesn't matter much now |
| 04:37.19 | Amarande | since 4.0 will probably come out and completely change the ballgame well before I hit 80 |
| 04:37.27 | Dagmar | ...and there's still dimwits rolling around claiming "OMG AGI ALWAYS > ATK" which is pretty wrong in the first place, but especially wrong if you're BM |
| 04:37.38 | Jamash | I don't think explosive shot is 1000s of DPS OP like it used to be |
| 04:37.42 | Amarande | Dagmar: in 4.0, though, agi will be the stat to have, even if AP was still on gear |
| 04:37.52 | Dagmar | Amarande: Yes but not now |
| 04:38.18 | Amarande | I usually stacked agi when leveling hunters before that, too, but that's because I've never actually played a hunter past 62 and you really don't get much raw AP until the late 60s |
| 04:38.40 | nebula | there are hunters that aren't mm? |
| 04:38.46 | nebula | get out of here |
| 04:38.57 | Jamash | I stacked spirit and int when I was leveling because blizzard hated hunters and leatherworkers |
| 04:39.00 | Dagmar | BM4LIFE |
| 04:39.08 | nebula | madness |
| 04:39.19 | Dagmar | Mainly because a big honking monster of a pet gives you PLENTY of time to run away when things turn bad |
| 04:39.37 | Dagmar | An SV/MM hunter who regularly tries to kill ten things at once is what we call "broke" |
| 04:39.38 | Amarande | yeah, BM's always been pretty solid |
| 04:39.41 | Amarande | except during early Ulduar |
| 04:39.47 | Amarande | Ulduar almost killed BM, in fact |
| 04:39.56 | Jamash | pet dies, freeze trap, pop berserking, res pet, heal pet, continue |
| 04:40.11 | Amarande | but that's simply because the mechanics of ulduar fights were particularly hostile to pet builds |
| 04:40.12 | bluspacecow | *punchs EJ for Amarande* |
| 04:40.12 | Dagmar | Yeah they made too many things affect the pet in Ulduar |
| 04:40.18 | Amarande | and probably hurt unholy DKs and demo locks bad too |
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| 04:40.29 | Amarande | Dagmar: yeah |
| 04:40.33 | Dagmar | ....but all this will be for naught if more people don't hammer Blizz with bug reports about how messed up hunter stuff is on the PTR |
| 04:40.34 | Kraps | http://wow.joystiq.com/2010/09/16/patch-4-0-1-now-available-on-background-downloader/ |
| 04:40.35 | nebula | bm was barely viable .. ever |
| 04:40.36 | Amarande | basically there was far too much don't-stand-in-the-shit in Ulduar |
| 04:40.43 | Dagmar | nebula: Hardly |
| 04:40.49 | Amarande | and they hadn't massive-buffed pet avoidance yet |
| 04:41.09 | Amarande | which I think they mostly DID in response to BM hunters complaining that their build had become almost useless |
| 04:41.10 | Amarande | which it had |
| 04:41.11 | nebula | mb early naxx, i remember a point when everyone i knew went sv, then it was mm |
| 04:41.17 | Dagmar | I could keep my pet up in Ulduar almost _solely_ because I have two thumb buttons bound for pet control |
| 04:41.22 | Amarande | because with how much of BM's DPS comes from the pet, they needed to keep the pet alive |
| 04:41.34 | Amarande | but with all the shit not to stand in, they were bleeding DPS like mad because of all the time lost to control the pet to do so |
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| 04:42.04 | Dagmar | Amarande: This is why the thumb buttons. With very little time it becomes as natural as thought to have the pet running to and fro |
| 04:42.05 | bluspacecow | @kraps Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu |
| 04:42.13 | Kraps | what |
| 04:42.13 | Amarande | Dagmar: yeah, I guess not everyone had a mouse with thumb buttons |
| 04:42.28 | Dagmar | SOMEHOW last night I managed to get some ability that I've no idea what it was to give me a ground-reticule last night |
| 04:42.33 | bluspacecow | im on a PPC Mac that won't run Cata ... need a new computer to run it |
| 04:42.38 | Amarande | and honestly, I don't really think WoW should expect people to buy specialized hardware to raid effectively :) |
| 04:42.45 | Dagmar | I'm guessing it might have been the new "send pet there" function |
| 04:42.49 | Amarande | I'm thinking of getting 2GB more RAM before Cata |
| 04:42.56 | Dagmar | ....but with no pet control bar and /petpassive clearly not working I dunno |
| 04:43.16 | Amarande | I'm still having issues with graphics spam lag in 25's |
| 04:43.18 | Dagmar | Amarande: A G5 mouse is not exactly special hardware. |
| 04:43.34 | Amarande | and since I have a GTS 250 with a gig of video RAM I'm pretty sure it's because I don't have enough main RAM |
| 04:43.39 | Dagmar | If yer mouse has a tilt wheel you could use that but it's easier with the thumb |
| 04:43.54 | Dagmar | Amarande: You have 4Gb? |
| 04:44.30 | bluspacecow | wow's not a 64bit client so it has a limit to the memory it can grab at once right ? |
| 04:44.37 | Dagmar | YOu also might want to step up to say, a 450 or 460 |
| 04:44.53 | Amarande | Dagmar: 2GB, currently |
| 04:44.56 | Dagmar | bluespacecow: Far as I know. I do know it doesn't touch the paging file with 4Gb |
| 04:45.02 | Amarande | I'd be going *to* 4GB |
| 04:45.15 | Dagmar | Amarande: Yeah it'll definitely kill off swapping |
| 04:45.16 | Amarande | actually I think I *do* have a tilt wheel |
| 04:45.19 | Amarande | has a G9 |
| 04:45.26 | Dagmar | ...but 25 people spamming spells at once still takes quite a bit of video card |
| 04:45.29 | bluspacecow | i've heard its 2GB ..... there's currently a bug accessing more then 4GB of memory |
| 04:45.51 | Arrowmaster | its not a bug |
| 04:45.59 | Dagmar | bluespacecow: It can't address more than that in a single process, but there's some weird caveats to that |
| 04:46.00 | Arrowmaster | or do you mean the crash? |
| 04:46.09 | bluspacecow | a limitation then ? yes I mean the crash ? |
| 04:46.11 | Amarande | actually in cata |
| 04:46.16 | Amarande | will hunters even bother to do anything but BM? |
| 04:46.17 | Arrowmaster | yeah the crash is a bug |
| 04:46.27 | Amarande | apparently, BM is OP in cata, and specifically you need a core hound :| |
| 04:46.27 | Dagmar | I don't get that weird crash with "just" 4Gb |
| 04:46.31 | Arrowmaster | but the 4gb limit is a 32bit thing |
| 04:46.38 | Dagmar | Amarande: THat's the FOM kiddies |
| 04:46.45 | Amarande | Dagmar: true for now |
| 04:46.47 | bluspacecow | i see |
| 04:46.50 | Amarande | bloodlust from a pet seems rather OP, though |
| 04:47.05 | Amarande | to the point that I'm not sure what can really compare, except in groups that regularly have a shaman |
| 04:47.08 | Dagmar | Yeah but you take a pass on a more widely appropriate ability that way |
| 04:47.09 | Amarande | (i.e., not random 5's) |
| 04:47.19 | Dagmar | It's not like it's OMG CORE HOUND + HEROISM |
| 04:47.22 | Amarande | Dagmar: what does the other build bring? |
| 04:47.43 | Dagmar | Well, it's _looking_ like things are set up mostly like they were in WoLTK |
| 04:47.51 | Xyphoid | also you have mages for heroism too |
| 04:47.59 | Dagmar | If you have a normal pet you have the pet and two special abilities on him |
| 04:48.00 | Amarande | Xyphoid: yeah, that's true |
| 04:48.02 | Amarande | the time warp |
| 04:48.08 | Amarande | and I STILL think that needs a pelvic thrust in the cast animation |
| 04:48.09 | Amarande | :) |
| 04:48.09 | Xyphoid | you'll bring the pet that covers what your raid is missing |
| 04:48.32 | Dagmar | If you take the beast mastery exotic pet one of the pet's special abilities takes on a second component |
| 04:48.36 | Amarande | actually, that's the thing shamans are whining about |
| 04:48.41 | Dagmar | Think of it like a floating talent |
| 04:48.47 | Amarande | shamans are fearing that with their main gimmick being given to mages, that they might not be as wanted in raids anymore |
| 04:48.56 | Jamash | boo hoo? |
| 04:49.05 | Amarande | especially with the loss of some of the totems too due to blizzard's new "you have to react not proact to debuffs" policy |
| 04:49.06 | Dagmar | Normal pets are more narrowly focused by a small margin |
| 04:49.10 | Xyphoid | i'm a shaman please stop accusing me of whining |
| 04:49.18 | Amarande | Xyphoid: *some* shamans. |
| 04:49.19 | Wobin | haha |
| 04:49.19 | Dagmar | then stop whining. ;) |
| 04:49.33 | Wobin | "Sorry, shaman, we're not bringing you along. The hunter's pet has replaced your functionality" |
| 04:49.39 | Amarande | what I do know is that mobs that have stun poison are going to really, really suck in cata |
| 04:49.46 | Amarande | unless you're a DK |
| 04:49.56 | Jamash | let me know when core hounds can cast chain heal |
| 04:50.32 | Wobin | It's called Core Heal |
| 04:51.22 | Amarande | Jamash: also, it's not healy shamans feeling the fear, mostly |
| 04:51.23 | Amarande | it's DPS shamans |
| 04:51.43 | Amarande | and honestly, I can see a few ways in which Cata is hurting DPS shamans, especially enhancement, but I can't tell how bad the impact is going to be |
| 04:51.48 | Xyphoid | stop listening to people whining please |
| 04:51.51 | Xyphoid | stop stop stop |
| 04:52.00 | Amarande | mainly, the fact that mages are getting a bloodlust equivalent, and the fact that with tank threat being nerfed, enh shamans are going to be living on the edge again |
| 04:52.14 | Amarande | I know back in BC, enh shamans felt like they were always in terrible danger because of that |
| 04:53.11 | Amarande | 110%+ threatcap + HIGH dps potential + no aggro drop makes for a nail-biting instancing life :S |
| 04:53.48 | Amarande | especially when you consider that most of the time you're going to have pick-up tanks via dungeon finder whose threat output ability you often won't know till *after* you die |
| 04:54.04 | Xyphoid | don't you have a threat meter? |
| 04:54.13 | Yssaril | Amarande: shamans had a perfectly good agroo drop in BC |
| 04:54.25 | Amarande | Yssaril: don't tell me you're calling ankh an aggro drop ;) |
| 04:54.26 | Yssaril | die and ahnk |
| 04:54.34 | Amarande | also, in raids, that can be bad |
| 04:54.42 | Amarande | because pulling aggro can disrupt mob positioning |
| 04:54.50 | Xyphoid | for someone who claims that you're a natural pro player, complaining that you don't have the ability to watch threat is pretty hilarious |
| 04:54.54 | Amarande | enh, it's not so much a problem because you're melee, but ele can have a real problem |
| 04:55.08 | Dagmar | You no longer have a 110% threat ceiling |
| 04:55.12 | Yssaril | Amarande: as a warlock i have used that before on purpose when the SS wasn;t neccessary on someone else in BC :P |
| 04:55.18 | Amarande | Xyphoid: I may be a natural pro player but shaman is definitely the class I have the least experience with |
| 04:55.51 | Xyphoid | like other classes, shamans have a threat meter in the default UI |
| 04:55.58 | Dagmar | To hell with mob positioning. You should be worried about pulling aggro getting you stomped, and then anyone who is NOW within the less forgiving aggro radius killed as well |
| 04:56.13 | Amarande | Xyphoid: also I've used heavily modded UIs for so long that I barely know the default UI anymore apart from on PTR |
| 04:56.20 | nebula | or jes get a few rogues or a nonfail tank |
| 04:56.26 | Dagmar | If you're standing in a pile all riding 120% it only takes one moron to get you all killed |
| 04:56.26 | Yssaril | Amarande: was a perfectly good strategy on Void reaver :) |
| 04:56.48 | Xyphoid | you've modded your UI to remove the threat meter? |
| 04:56.52 | Xyphoid | good work |
| 04:57.53 | Amarande | Xyphoid: I mean, I've used Omen as my threat meter for so long that I don't really know what the default UI has in terms of threat meter stuff |
| 04:58.34 | Amarande | although the thing that mostly grinds my gears about the default UI is only one action bar |
| 04:58.46 | Amarande | I'm used to having a large pane of action buttons in the lower right of my screen courtesy of bartender |
| 04:59.03 | Jamash | ur? the default UI has had five action bars since a loooooooooooong time ago |
| 04:59.06 | nebula | there are five action bars with the default ui |
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| 04:59.49 | Amarande | http://www.lunasanguine.com/images/WoWScrnShot_052510_220136.jpg |
| 04:59.51 | Amarande | this is mostly my UI |
| 05:00.00 | Amarande | though I've since ditched QH for QuestGuru |
| 05:01.12 | Amarande | nebula: but not all at once |
| 05:01.20 | Jamash | uh, yeah, all at once |
| 05:01.23 | Amarande | notice how I have shift and alt keys bound to the 2nd and 3rd bars? |
| 05:01.34 | Amarande | I keep trying to use those on the ptr and it doesn't work ;) |
| 05:01.40 | Jerub | sooo. |
| 05:01.45 | Jamash | have you seriously not used the default UI since 1.x? |
| 05:01.47 | Jerub | who's planning on farming triumphs to 4000? |
| 05:01.55 | Amarande | Jerub: not me. |
| 05:02.15 | Amarande | you'd have to make me drink the whole bottle of captain before I'd agree to something that obsessive |
| 05:02.21 | Amarande | I've only gotten just over 500 total badges on my dk |
| 05:02.46 | Jerub | i'm interested that frost=triumph for purposes of conversion |
| 05:03.30 | Dagmar | Jerub: I *thikn* after the conversion I'm going to be at around 3600 honor as it is |
| 05:03.34 | Amarande | Jerub: I'm still not sure if the conversion stuff is fully ironed out yet |
| 05:03.46 | Amarande | when I copied Vladoka over, I was getting only 1 justice point for every badge, frost or triumph |
| 05:04.02 | Amarande | which doesn't quite seem right, because prices are scaled much higher, like 239 points for a crusader orb |
| 05:04.20 | Jamash | yeah so the 4 additional action bars were added in 1.3.0 (2005-03-22) |
| 05:04.21 | Amarande | also, when I tried a heroic on the PTR I was still getting triumph, oddly |
| 05:04.31 | Dagmar | Amarande: Judging from the forum thread, there's a lot of people who suspect the new prices on the PTR are just placeholders |
| 05:04.42 | Amarande | Jamash: I guess I'm just not familiar with Blizzard's multiple action bar setup |
| 05:04.54 | Amarande | because basically the first thing I set up after a new patch or reinstalling WoW is Bartender |
| 05:04.58 | nebula | main bar, lower left, lower right then two right side bars |
| 05:05.09 | Jerub | weekly quest rewards used to be 10 frost badges on PTR |
| 05:05.37 | Amarande | dammit, I have GOT to do voa10 and the weekly this week |
| 05:05.41 | Amarande | I've got 88 badges |
| 05:05.49 | Amarande | voa10 and the weekly will put me spot on for a piece of t10 |
| 05:05.56 | Amarande | which I can get as 264, because I have a token from icc25 last week |
| 05:06.14 | Amarande | this would replace my 232 chestpiece, and then my only sub-245 pieces are NES and my offhand weapon |
| 05:06.30 | Amarande | and the OH I could possibly upgrade in PUG ICC10 from lootship |
| 05:06.50 | Amarande | you know what's really weird ... apart from LK and Saurfang's drops, there are absolutely no useful weapons for me in ICC25 |
| 05:07.00 | Amarande | everything else is either too fast or for a tank or caster |
| 05:07.11 | Jerub | you still have sub-245? |
| 05:07.16 | Amarande | Jerub: three pieces |
| 05:07.21 | Amarande | chest, one trinket, and OH weapon |
| 05:07.24 | Jerub | i only have one sub-245 piece and it's the impossible to upgrade OH slot. |
| 05:07.49 | Amarande | because I've only gotten one weapon drop from ICC, and the chest I've been still gathering resources towards |
| 05:08.05 | Amarande | was going to get the 245 crafted one, but it looks like 264 T10 is going to become an option within days |
| 05:08.22 | Amarande | either 264 T10 or the 264 non-tier badge piece |
| 05:08.28 | Amarande | not sure which is better on its own |
| 05:08.43 | Amarande | but both need 95 and I have 88, so weekly + either one daily heroic or voa, or four daily heroics will put me to 95 |
| 05:09.13 | Amarande | also, if I get the non-tier badge piece I'm going to feel guilty. |
| 05:09.36 | Amarande | time to rawr it. |
| 05:09.50 | Jerub | look at the BiS list for your class and get a tier piece that's BiS to use |
| 05:10.23 | Amarande | Basically I'm going to feel guilty if I don't get a tier piece for the simple reason that if I get the non-tier badge chest |
| 05:10.46 | Amarande | I will almost certainly never get enough badges before 4.0 or maybe even enough JPs before Cata to get a tier piece |
| 05:10.54 | Amarande | which means I'll never use the tier token I have |
| 05:10.59 | Jerub | get the 264 piece |
| 05:11.01 | Amarande | which means it will have been wrong of me to roll on ti. |
| 05:11.04 | Jerub | which will last to level 83 at least. |
| 05:12.01 | Amarande | however |
| 05:12.12 | Amarande | it does indeed appear that castle breaker's is better than sanctified scourgelord's as a single item |
| 05:12.15 | Amarande | so I guess I'm going with it. |
| 05:13.05 | Amarande | Rawr is telling me there's actually only 3 chestplates better than the castle breaker's one |
| 05:13.11 | Amarande | of which only one do I have a real chance of seeing |
| 05:13.17 | Amarande | so yeah. |
| 05:13.48 | Jamash | remember that all that armor pen is turning to haste come 4.0 |
| 05:14.00 | Amarande | yeah, I noticed that on the PTR |
| 05:14.43 | Amarande | actually, only 2 better than the 264 T10 chestpiece |
| 05:14.53 | Amarande | only things better than the 264 T10 chestpiece appear to be the 277 T10 chestpiece and the HEROIC version of Gendarme's |
| 05:15.11 | Amarande | (for which reason I have been really trying to pressure my raid leader to start doing marrowgar 25 on heroic, but he's not biting yet) |
| 05:15.36 | Amarande | er, wait, better than the 264 non-tier badge chestpiece |
| 05:15.42 | Amarande | which appears to be better as a single item than the T10 |
| 05:15.54 | Amarande | so I guess my tier token is going to rot as a souvenir of LK :S |
| 05:16.17 | Jerub | run voa10 and get a drop ;) |
| 05:16.26 | Amarande | Jerub: yeah I'm still trying to get into voa10 this week |
| 05:16.33 | Amarande | groups either weren't forming or filled before I could get a pst in |
| 05:16.48 | Amarande | already did 25 yesterday but haven't gotten to do 10 |
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| 05:17.28 | Torhal | Urk. I'm failing to get my keyboard and mouse working under X since I updated the server and KDE. |
| 05:18.44 | Amarande | Torhal: keyboard? mouse? |
| 05:18.45 | Amarande | c'mon |
| 05:18.57 | Amarande | you were supposed to get the direct input brain implant |
| 05:19.01 | Amarande | didn't you know? :) |
| 05:19.09 | Torhal | :P |
| 05:19.26 | kd3 | if you're using a remotely recent x... try renaming your xorg.conf to xorg.sav and restarting x... it should automagically appear thanks to the miracle of modern X |
| 05:20.01 | kd3 | s/it should automagically appear/your keyboard and mouse should automagically start working/ |
| 05:20.05 | Arrowmaster | yeah the only reason i even have an xorg.conf is because of my nvidia card |
| 05:22.10 | Torhal | kd3: Yah, tried that and due to what Arrowmaster said I had a black screen. |
| 05:22.30 | Torhal | Though I didn't try commenting out the input section yet... |
| 05:22.35 | Arrowmaster | just remove all the input related parts of you xorg.conf |
| 05:22.36 | kd3 | comment it out |
| 05:22.37 | Arrowmaster | i dont have any |
| 05:22.37 | Amarande | wow talk about fail |
| 05:22.38 | kd3 | ya |
| 05:22.43 | Amarande | the chestpiece from HEROIC RS10 |
| 05:22.44 | kd3 | http://wowi.pastey.net/140667 |
| 05:22.47 | Amarande | is inferior to the 245 crafted one |
| 05:22.50 | kd3 | has a rather complicated setup |
| 05:22.51 | Amarande | yeah, that's fail |
| 05:22.57 | Jerub | RS is crappy loot |
| 05:23.04 | Jerub | RS10 isn't worth doing |
| 05:23.05 | Jerub | even on hm |
| 05:23.10 | Amarande | Jerub: yeah but you'd at least expect a 271 raid drop to be better than a 245 crafted boe :S |
| 05:23.11 | Jerub | RS25 has some nice trinkets. |
| 05:27.31 | kd3 | wtf. saw an article on digg and thought 'wow, fisker's branching out' |
| 05:27.42 | kd3 | http://digg.com/news/lifestyle/fisker_to_unveil_first_factory_built_plug_in_hybrid |
| 05:29.16 | Jerub | i just want a freaking plug in road bike. |
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| 05:30.25 | Amarande | Jerub: and yet rawr claims a trinket from togc10 is better than the rs25 one |
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| 05:31.32 | Amarande | also 4pt9 is overpowered for affliction period |
| 05:31.41 | Amarande | I can tell this immediately the moment I loaded my warlock into Rawr |
| 05:31.49 | Amarande | it's saying the T9 robe, NOT the T10 robe, is BiS |
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| 05:31.59 | Amarande | which can only rationally be explained, since she's aff, by 4pt9 |
| 05:33.00 | Torhal | No love. X completely locks the keyboard and mouse - I have to turn the machine off since I can't get to a console. |
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| 05:33.51 | kd3 | ctrl+alt+f1 doesn't work to get to a text console? |
| 05:33.55 | kd3 | ssh in from another box? |
| 05:34.34 | kd3 | that's odd. haven't heard of a keyboard not working in x these days |
| 05:34.50 | Torhal | kd3: It's completely dead - num/capslock don't even register. |
| 05:34.55 | Torhal | The lights stay off. |
| 05:35.00 | kd3 | ! |
| 05:35.23 | Amarande | Torhal: ATI card? |
| 05:35.32 | Torhal | Amarande: nVidia 9800GTX+ |
| 05:35.36 | Amarande | wow, that's odd |
| 05:35.50 | Amarande | I never had problems with a GTS 250 on Linux, apart from the ridiculously arcane install procedure for the nvidia closed source driver |
| 05:36.01 | kd3 | what's your xorg.conf look like atm? |
| 05:36.05 | Torhal | And it's worked fine between X and KDE updates. I had a similar issue a couple of servers ago but fixed it by recompiling the xorg-drivers |
| 05:36.39 | Torhal | kd3: Yay, I get to use a text-based web browser! One sec. |
| 05:39.14 | Fisker | slaps kd3 around a bit with a large trout |
| 05:39.27 | Amarande | (And Torhal, basically that means I have the same basic card logic as you, since the GTS 250 and 9800GTX+ *are the same chip*) |
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| 05:41.14 | Torhal | kd3: http://paste.wowace.com/2455/ |
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| 05:42.25 | kd3 | have you tried running nvidia-xconfig to see what kind of xorg.conf it creates? |
| 05:42.44 | Torhal | kd3: The same one I pasted to you, but with InputDevices |
| 05:42.57 | Torhal | It's teh same one I'd been using for months |
| 05:43.07 | kd3 | wtf |
| 05:43.11 | Torhal | I did a diff on it and the old one and the only line that changed was the one with the date |
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| 05:43.51 | Fisker | oh my |
| 05:43.54 | Fisker | 4.0.0 preload |
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| 05:44.12 | Torhal | Fisker: I believe it's called pre-ejaculate. |
| 05:44.26 | Fisker | AHHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAAA |
| 05:44.33 | Fisker | someone put a haunted memento up for 200g |
| 05:44.35 | Fisker | 200g |
| 05:44.36 | Fisker | LOL |
| 05:44.46 | Torhal | Fisker: I saw one on my server today for 3k |
| 05:44.50 | Jerub | Fisker: nice |
| 05:44.59 | Jerub | Fisker: you got it, right? |
| 05:45.20 | Fisker | yeah |
| 05:45.30 | Fisker | i'm not stupid :D |
| 05:45.32 | kd3 | is there any way you can see what's in your xorg.0.log? that doesn't make sense... it /should/ work |
| 05:45.43 | kd3 | wtfs again idly |
| 05:47.24 | Torhal | I'd look if I knew where the hell it was. Heh. |
| 05:47.28 | Amarande | what's haunted memento from and do? |
| 05:47.36 | Jerub | Amarande: lol |
| 05:47.53 | kd3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:48.01 | kd3 | should be something similar everywhere else |
| 05:48.04 | Torhal | Ugh |
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| 05:48.20 | Fisker | Amarande it's from the scourge event before wotlk |
| 05:48.22 | Amarande | also: I'm supposing as hunter on a new realm that, if I hit 80 before cata, the shadow vault questline is mandatory. |
| 05:48.22 | Torhal | I found it before you said that. I facepalmed and remembered /var/log was standard |
| 05:48.26 | Fisker | and it's like a pet |
| 05:48.31 | Fisker | except it's like a happy fun rock |
| 05:48.34 | Fisker | you can throw it |
| 05:48.42 | Amarande | Fisker: ah. I don't remember much about that event besides hanging out high above shattrath on my netherdrake trying not to get thrown up on |
| 05:48.43 | Fisker | it's insanely rare |
| 05:49.38 | Fisker | there was a post about someone yesterday accidentally throwing it to someone |
| 05:49.43 | Fisker | and he got it for 5000 |
| 05:49.46 | cogwheel | Fisker! |
| 05:49.50 | Fisker | should i write "Sup, got it for 200g?" |
| 05:49.55 | Fisker | cogwheel |
| 05:49.56 | cogwheel | why haven't they done anything about the bag ui? |
| 05:49.59 | cogwheel | QQ |
| 05:50.01 | Fisker | i got a fucking haunted memento for 200g |
| 05:50.24 | cogwheel | YOU'RE a fucking haunted memento |
| 05:50.26 | cogwheel | or something |
| 05:50.28 | Fisker | i am |
| 05:50.31 | Jerub | Fisker: you should find out who listed it and mail them a grand and a note |
| 05:50.40 | Fisker | no! |
| 05:51.00 | cogwheel | Fisker: you're a cloaca |
| 05:51.02 | Fisker | actually sucks that it automatically deletes the mail when i pick it up |
| 05:51.36 | Fisker | I've seen too much gom tv cogwheel |
| 05:52.00 | Torhal | kd3: Hrm. Looks like I'll have to rebuild evdev |
| 05:52.51 | Amarande | cogwheel: fisker is a roman sewer? |
| 05:52.57 | Fisker | i also reported some guild named super happy adventure club |
| 05:53.05 | Fisker | because i'm a huge jerk |
| 05:53.13 | Amarande | Fisker: how is that a violation :| |
| 05:53.28 | Fisker | if you get the reference you would know |
| 05:53.28 | cogwheel | no he's one hole for #1, #2, and ... um if i called babies #3 would i go to hell? |
| 05:53.33 | Amarande | oh, south park? |
| 05:53.39 | Fisker | yep |
| 05:53.45 | Fisker | except they called it "happy" |
| 05:53.56 | Fisker | but meh, close enough to make me believe that was intentional |
| 05:54.05 | Fisker | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Return_of_Chef |
| 05:54.35 | Fisker | Wanting to find out what has caused all this, they go to the Super Adventure Club headquarters and discover that the group is made up of explorers who travel worldwide, molesting children. |
| 05:54.35 | Fisker | :D |
| 05:57.54 | Amarande | wow I'm looking at this armory of this character who's killed LK multiple times |
| 05:57.58 | Amarande | and she uses still ... a blue |
| 05:58.00 | Amarande | a *blue*! |
| 05:58.04 | Amarande | *boggle* |
| 05:58.27 | Fisker | offspec? |
| 05:58.46 | Amarande | Fisker: it's the ap/arpen trinket from heroic king dred, apparently |
| 05:58.50 | Amarande | hunter |
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| 05:59.51 | Jerub | arp trinkets are hard to get |
| 06:00.22 | Amarande | Jerub: at least that's a worry we won't have for much longer |
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| 06:00.39 | Amarande | as the sad balancing act that was arpen comes to a screeching end with 4.0.1 :) |
| 06:00.50 | Amarande | good riddance, I say |
| 06:01.03 | Amarande | arpen was responsible for some pretty serious balance issues in earlier patches |
| 06:01.51 | Amarande | for instance, being the main catalyst for many months of suck in PvP for warlocks |
| 06:02.07 | Torhal | kd3: Sheer awesome: [ 1470.247] (EE) Failed to load module "evdev" (module requirement mismatch, 0) |
| 06:02.09 | Amarande | but I've told that tale before |
| 06:02.36 | Jerub | Torhal: nuts |
| 06:02.42 | kd3 | well, yeah. that'd probably have something to do with it |
| 06:02.54 | Jerub | okay, so how do i record videos of wow in windows? |
| 06:03.00 | Jerub | i was using a mac and it was built in |
| 06:03.02 | kd3 | fraps? |
| 06:03.08 | Fisker | kd3 |
| 06:03.08 | Jerub | kd3: how good is that? |
| 06:03.20 | Jerub | will it screw up if i get bored and alt tab? |
| 06:03.41 | kd3 | dunno, I've never used it. first answer that came to mind, though |
| 06:04.03 | Amarande | wtf. no moths on my shot glass. |
| 06:04.44 | Fisker | Fraps is ok |
| 06:04.47 | Fisker | but it costs money |
| 06:04.59 | Fisker | except for me because i just had an account without knowing about it |
| 06:05.10 | Amarande | it's only money. |
| 06:05.26 | Amarande | lord, some folks talk about money like each time you spend money you have to draw your own blood or something :S |
| 06:05.37 | Amarande | then there's the folks who seem like they'd RATHER have to draw their own blood than give up money |
| 06:05.38 | Amarande | heh |
| 06:05.54 | Fisker | pirating it is cheaper though |
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| 06:21.34 | Amarande | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227517 |
| 06:21.35 | Amarande | *drool* |
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| 06:21.39 | Amarande | too rich for my blood though :( |
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| 06:28.45 | Dagmar | Holy crap four grand? |
| 06:29.15 | Dagmar | I get the feeling they're out of stock is because they don't keep those _in_ stock until there's a stack of people watching |
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| 06:29.45 | Amarande | if I was rich, I'd definitely be speccing that into my gaming rig |
| 06:30.11 | Dagmar | A million hours MTBF? |
| 06:30.16 | Dagmar | I don't think those are SSDs |
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| 06:30.45 | Dagmar | I suspect that's exactly what it looks like... a big pile of even faster SODIMMs mounted on a card |
| 06:30.49 | Dagmar | ...which is fine by me |
| 06:31.14 | Dagmar | I'd love to see some benchmarks on it |
| 06:31.17 | cogwheel | http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=ISEPvANVjqQ |
| 06:31.37 | cogwheel | (if you like SC) |
| 06:31.42 | Amarande | thinks of instant dalaran loads |
| 06:31.44 | Amarande | *sigh* |
| 06:31.48 | Amarande | sometimes I do wish I was rich |
| 06:31.55 | Amarande | even if I'm not normally a particularly money-minding person :S |
| 06:31.58 | Fisker | i like you cogwheel |
| 06:32.01 | Dagmar | Oh hey, cogwheel, do you do any post-processing of your audio? |
| 06:32.18 | Fisker | but 240p is unacceptable cogwheel |
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| 06:32.21 | cogwheel | just bass boost |
| 06:32.26 | Dagmar | Ah... |
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| 06:32.42 | cogwheel | but that only started in the most recent episode |
| 06:32.51 | Dagmar | Grab just about any non-suck audio editor. Look for the "Normalize" function. It may be under menus related to compression (not like zlib) |
| 06:32.53 | cogwheel | before it was just a crappy mic |
| 06:33.03 | Dagmar | It'll probably do what you're aiming for with the bass boost. |
| 06:33.39 | Dagmar | Normalize filter will try to even out the volume of the various frequencies in the sample, so it'll make your voice sound deeper and clearer at the expense of pissing off opera fans if you're singing opera. |
| 06:33.43 | Dagmar | No great loss that tho. |
| 06:33.51 | Amarande | Dagmar: there are opera fans? |
| 06:33.55 | Dagmar | Yes. |
| 06:34.16 | Dagmar | You can spot them by playing some Diamanda Galas |
| 06:34.24 | Dagmar | THey will either run away screaming or fall in love with her. |
| 06:34.25 | Amarande | well, if there's fans of some other things, like ... the Kansas City Royals and the Detroit Lions |
| 06:34.28 | Amarande | I guess there can be opera fans. |
| 06:34.56 | Dagmar | Shes a bit extreme. An awesome singer, but she's got one opera that involves a lot of what sounds like primal screams. |
| 06:35.28 | Dagmar | Stuff that would pretty much ruin the careers of other singers because their vocal chords would rip right out |
| 06:35.33 | Dagmar | :D |
| 06:36.02 | cogwheel | my boss is an opera fan |
| 06:36.12 | cogwheel | he has four 300-disc dvd-changers |
| 06:36.23 | Dagmar | Hell he probably has something of hers then |
| 06:36.47 | cogwheel | mostly opera, bollywood musicals, and foreign films |
| 06:37.28 | zenzio | 300-disc changers? o_O |
| 06:38.07 | Dagmar | This, depite the title, isn't actually as satanic as it would at first appear http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mz6KA-qTNO4 |
| 06:38.12 | Dagmar | er despite |
| 06:38.33 | Amarande | Dagmar: by 'primal screams' you mean what I think you mean? :) |
| 06:38.44 | Dagmar | I mean she screams like a banshee |
| 06:39.26 | Dagmar | She's got that crack addict the MTV crowd is so proud of beat cold for jazz, too |
| 06:40.19 | Dagmar | YEah, this is a freakshow one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epoHB_yZ1uU |
| 06:40.24 | mikma | fisker: looks like 720p and 1080p to me |
| 06:40.45 | cogwheel | Fisker: wut 240p? |
| 06:41.08 | mikma | cogwheel: failsker fails, i'm watching 720p atm |
| 06:41.10 | Dagmar | cogwheel: I've no idea how he picked the crap res. It jumped to 720p all on it's own here. |
| 06:41.44 | cogwheel | hmm... i just got that on a different video |
| 06:41.50 | cogwheel | ~fail youtube |
| 06:41.50 | purl | youtube: FAIL! |
| 06:42.17 | Dagmar | Now i know what a proxy pilon is. :) |
| 06:42.21 | Dagmar | er pylon |
| 06:42.30 | mikma | i don't, yet |
| 06:42.49 | cogwheel | there's this player in the asia region who goes by "FruitSeller". Google translates the korean as "in coming fruiterer" |
| 06:43.06 | Dagmar | Wow |
| 06:43.31 | Amarande | cogwheel: also, for instant Yoda speak, translate stuff from English to German and then translate it back to English |
| 06:43.43 | bleeter | the ultimate URL shortener: http://arseh.at/ |
| 06:43.56 | Dagmar | cog: Ooh. First one of those Dells that fails, check the heat sink for goo overload |
| 06:44.47 | Dagmar | mikma: About 2:20 in the video |
| 06:45.00 | cogwheel | that reminds me... it *has* been a couple years since our last round of upgrades. |
| 06:45.21 | mikma | dagmar: 4:43 and i still dont know what it is |
| 06:45.33 | Dagmar | At 2:20 he spots the other guy planting one |
| 06:45.54 | Amarande | ok, I'm trying to figure out exactly what the play method is as surv spec on a hunter and not really quite grokking it the way I do MM |
| 06:46.08 | Dagmar | Amarande: Biggest damage first |
| 06:46.25 | Dagmar | DrDamage may or may not be showing you correct numbers, but it's a start |
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| 06:48.16 | cogwheel | mikma: toss can spawn units near any pylon. proxy is short for proximity in this case |
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| 06:51.27 | cogwheel | Amarande: there's a website that tests how translate behaves going back and forth between languages. It's neat to find things that have a bunch of intermediates before it settles into a cycle |
| 06:51.41 | cogwheel | but i don't remember what it's called -_- |
| 06:52.10 | zenzio | translation party? |
| 06:52.31 | Amarande | wow, this hunter guide surprised me |
| 06:52.40 | Amarande | apparently, *ferocity* pets are best at holding aggro, not tenacity |
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| 06:53.16 | zenzio | which is which? |
| 06:53.25 | zenzio | wolves and cats are ferocity? |
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| 06:54.41 | Amarande | Cats are ferocity, I can't remember which type wolves are |
| 06:55.31 | zenzio | does it say which are best at taking damage? |
| 06:55.31 | Dagmar | Bitey |
| 06:56.01 | Dagmar | Amarande: The wolves are about the DPS buff they have unless we're talking 4.x in which case I've no idea about the changes |
| 06:56.06 | Amarande | zenzio: that's usually not important when soloing. |
| 06:56.34 | Dagmar | Yeah it is |
| 06:56.36 | Amarande | the important thing when soloing is just to keep the pet holding aggro so you don't keep grumbling about 'target too close' after you pull it and the mob gets in your face :) |
| 06:56.39 | Dagmar | You solo with a _Tenacity_ pet |
| 06:57.01 | Amarande | unless you're fighting elites, mobs are going to die before your pet does |
| 06:57.04 | Dagmar | Yer cat or wolf will eat it if you wind up pulling a bunch |
| 06:57.25 | Dagmar | A gorilla or a turtle can just stand there and take punishment |
| 06:57.38 | mikma | hoho, "Wintergrasp Mark of Honor * 19.08" |
| 06:57.49 | mikma | riiiiight, maybe it's 1.908 |
| 06:57.55 | Dagmar | hehehe |
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| 07:06.11 | mikma | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=443154490&sid=1&pageNo=1 <- reply nr. 8 ;) |
| 07:08.44 | Dagmar | Drysc is good |
| 07:10.53 | zenzio | okay, that's awesome |
| 07:12.57 | Shirik | Ackis |
| 07:13.00 | Shirik | my main man |
| 07:13.04 | Shirik | Arrowmaster |
| 07:13.07 | Shirik | I found a halo reach |
| 07:15.19 | zenzio | http://friendsofirony.com/2010/09/15/ironic-photos-very-quietly/ |
| 07:16.02 | Jamash | he might have an assistive clapping device |
| 07:16.19 | Jamash | like a wind-up monkey |
| 07:16.22 | mikma | hitting your hand on the table is not that hard |
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| 07:17.47 | Jerub | hey, am i the only person with the train wrecker on a toolbar button? |
| 07:18.08 | mikma | maybe |
| 07:28.59 | zenzio | http://dailysquee.com/2010/09/15/cute-baby-animals-more-noms-please/ |
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| 07:35.16 | industrial | http://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comments/dei7v/ok_ladies_lets_show_reddit_that_we_are_beautiful/ |
| 07:35.20 | industrial | best thread on reddit, hands down |
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| 07:36.32 | zenzio | industrial: nice find |
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| 07:39.18 | zenzio | "Contrast: digital makeup." |
| 07:43.41 | Wobin | http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot/20100914/od_yblog_upshot/massive-fish-kill-reported-in-louisiana |
| 07:43.46 | Wobin | =\ |
| 07:44.51 | unfo- | Wobin, :-o |
| 07:44.54 | unfo- | holy crap |
| 07:45.30 | industrial | zenzio: hehe :) |
| 07:45.44 | industrial | zenzio: "I call this look: fucking tired" |
| 07:46.16 | zenzio | :) |
| 07:46.31 | Shirik | so |
| 07:46.42 | Shirik | my roommate and I just tricked Halo's map creator into producing something epic |
| 07:46.54 | Shirik | We found a way to fire tanks at people on the map |
| 07:46.57 | Shirik | periodically |
| 07:47.17 | Shirik | every minute a tank spawns and becomes a projectile |
| 07:47.18 | zenzio | "Look at us, all pleasant looking and unexpectedly female." |
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| 07:48.33 | industrial | Shirik: rofl |
| 07:48.53 | industrial | "tank on your six" |
| 07:48.59 | industrial | "what now-KGGGGGGG" |
| 07:49.14 | Shirik | it was so hard to get it to work |
| 07:49.31 | Shirik | because the map editor intentionally doesn't allow for "dynamic" placement of vehicles |
| 07:49.43 | Shirik | but we found a trick to do it |
| 07:52.23 | zenzio | so, does Cairenn reddit? |
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| 07:58.28 | Shirik | ~wiki The "oh shit moment" |
| 07:58.55 | Shirik | ?? |
| 07:58.57 | Shirik | you lie |
| 07:59.27 | zenzio | ~wiki the "oh shit" moment |
| 07:59.34 | Shirik | well now it doesn't exist |
| 07:59.36 | Shirik | because I deleted it |
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| 08:03.10 | harl | wuff wuff |
| 08:03.23 | zenzio | "Out of my 3 officers one has the authentificator because he is the only one to have been hacked so far (3 years of playing)." - yes, because everyone waits until *after* they get "hacked" to get an authenticator |
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| 08:07.23 | cbreak_work | I don't like that word in this context |
| 08:07.32 | cbreak_work | I doubt that anyone ever has been hacked in WoW |
| 08:07.58 | harl | yea |
| 08:08.01 | zenzio | I've never liked the word "hacked" for accounts being compromised |
| 08:08.04 | Wobin | you prefer 'Socially Engineered'? |
| 08:08.12 | zenzio | but it's still what the people who get their accounts compromised call it |
| 08:08.30 | MoonWitch | So you then assume people who end up with compromised accounts, hand out the details? |
| 08:08.50 | harl | one or another way, yes.. |
| 08:08.50 | zenzio | nope |
| 08:08.59 | zenzio | but I don't count keyloggers as hacking |
| 08:09.13 | MoonWitch | Because bruteforcing the password could be seen as hacking as well. |
| 08:09.21 | zenzio | not in my book |
| 08:09.49 | MoonWitch | Alright then, what do you call it? |
| 08:10.12 | zenzio | either way, I was simply amused that he seemed to say that people get authenticators only if their account has already been compromised |
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| 08:10.35 | zenzio | I call brute forcing a password brute forcing a password |
| 08:10.36 | MoonWitch | Well, it is the only way to get items restored |
| 08:11.10 | zenzio | MoonWitch: authenticators are meant to prevent compromise, not help sort out the fall out |
| 08:11.13 | MoonWitch | If you contact a GM, he/she will tell you to get one, or not get your items. (seen that literal sentence twice) |
| 08:12.01 | MoonWitch | zenzio : I am well aware of that, I am just repeating what I myself was told by a gm and what I saw in a screenshot of a guildie. |
| 08:12.32 | zenzio | MoonWitch: fair enough, that seems reasonable |
| 08:12.53 | MoonWitch | So in the end, both of us were "forced" to purchase the authenticator :( |
| 08:13.26 | cbreak_work | why should blizzard waste their time on people who can't secure their computers? |
| 08:13.50 | cbreak_work | people who's accounts get compromised either give their account details to others voluntarily |
| 08:13.51 | MoonWitch | Strangely, I had been playing wow with decent security measures for years without an issue. The battle.net change rolled out and boom - I had a compromised account, even though I change passwords often enough. |
| 08:13.58 | cbreak_work | or they do so involuntarily |
| 08:14.14 | cbreak_work | changing passwords is not a good security advice |
| 08:14.29 | cbreak_work | choosing a secure password is much more valuable than changing it a lot |
| 08:14.39 | cbreak_work | but either way, if you give your password away, it doesn't matter |
| 08:14.58 | harl | using weak passwords or letting a keylogger sneak in are virtually two ways of "voluntarily handing out the details" though. |
| 08:15.17 | cbreak_work | I'd say it's involuntarily |
| 08:15.31 | cbreak_work | or rather, unintentionally |
| 08:15.36 | MoonWitch | cbreak, to me it is still a mystery, seeing as I previously worked for an antivirus company. I removed infections as a living ;) So - when I tell you my machine was squeaky clean, it was. I've even had 4rd tier support check my machine and they found nothing either. :) (Also : my password is 20 tokens, always was and changes every month) |
| 08:16.00 | MoonWitch | anyhow, I must get back to packing - we're in the middle of a move :) |
| 08:16.08 | cbreak_work | did you ever use that password on an other machine? |
| 08:16.08 | MoonWitch | take good care guys and gals |
| 08:16.11 | MoonWitch | nope |
| 08:16.17 | cbreak_work | happy transition |
| 08:16.21 | MoonWitch | the pswd is solely for WoW... :( |
| 08:16.34 | cbreak_work | (and the forum, and battle.net, and the armory, ...) |
| 08:16.50 | MoonWitch | well yes, but the standard wow stuff ;) |
| 08:17.08 | MoonWitch | I can't have diff passwords for all those wow related logins, sadly. |
| 08:17.15 | MoonWitch | anyhow :) I am out of here |
| 08:17.29 | unfo- | <3 mah free authenticator for ipod/iphone |
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| 08:19.06 | cbreak_work | unfo-: insecure, unfortunately |
| 08:19.28 | cbreak_work | and with insecure I mean much less secure than the real thing |
| 08:19.36 | cbreak_work | not that I know of an actual compromise |
| 08:20.19 | zenzio | "So now to lead or become an officer in a guild I must pay additional fees because other jackasses cant stay off pr0n sites?" |
| 08:20.31 | mikma | http://i.imgur.com/WgWtp.jpg |
| 08:20.49 | flyhard | Anyone there who can give me a short tip on how to get AceEvent to work? I tried this: |
| 08:20.49 | flyhard | local GuildManager = LibStub("AceAddon-3.0"):NewAddon("GuildManager","AceEvent-3 |
| 08:20.50 | flyhard | GuildManager:RegisterEvent("GUILDBANKFRAME_OPENED") |
| 08:20.53 | unfo- | cbreak_work, how do you mean insecure? like if someone sniffs mu passwd AND auth code when I type it they could reverse engineer the seed for the auth end break it? |
| 08:21.10 | flyhard | but I get a "Event unknown" |
| 08:21.35 | unfo- | zenzio, how does the officer having an authenticator prevent other idiots from being idiots?-) |
| 08:22.03 | mikma | flyhard: were those 1:1 paste's or did the lines cut out |
| 08:22.35 | zenzio | unfo-: it doesn't, I'm just sharing amusing comment from the forum |
| 08:22.35 | flyhard | the register event is from a function, that is called and executed |
| 08:22.45 | unfo- | zenzio, ah :) |
| 08:22.48 | mikma | i repeat |
| 08:22.50 | mikma | flyhard: were those 1:1 paste's or did the lines cut out |
| 08:23.04 | flyhard | cut out |
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| 08:24.07 | mikma | okey, then again, why not do it without ace |
| 08:24.39 | flyhard | good question |
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| 08:24.45 | mikma | local f = CreateFrame("Frame"),f:RegisterEvent("GUILDBANKFRAME_OPENED");f:SetScript("OnEvent",function() print("lol") end) |
| 08:24.54 | mikma | oh, , = ; |
| 08:26.00 | flyhard | I will try that then. I am normally doing java development, so I am used to searching and using libraries.... |
| 08:26.13 | zenzio | "Because tbh, I'm not keen on wasting my money on something that increases my logon time and does nothing but increase my security past what is necessary." |
| 08:27.09 | mikma | flyhard: imho, it's always better to start without any libraries :) |
| 08:28.04 | flyhard | @zenzio: Your password might be secure, but if you get a keylogger (I got one once by using curse), you will be hacked if you do not have the authenticator. |
| 08:28.42 | zenzio | flyhard: notice the quote marks; I'm just sharing comments from a forum |
| 08:28.48 | flyhard | Oh, ok |
| 08:30.26 | mitch0 | Manowar - Defender <- awesum |
| 08:37.18 | cbreak_work | unfo-: no, because it is easy to compromise an iPhone |
| 08:37.21 | cbreak_work | those things are tiny computers |
| 08:37.28 | cbreak_work | and they have security holes like the big ones |
| 08:37.42 | cbreak_work | the private key/shared secret is stored on the device |
| 08:37.49 | cbreak_work | so once you have that, you can generate your own codes |
| 08:39.38 | unfo- | cbreak_work, erm, i don't have any pin codes on my iDevice... if you get my device then i'm screwed sure... i am talking about keyloggers sniffing my user/pass which is no longer an attack vector due to auth on external device |
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| 08:40.21 | cbreak_work | unfo-: you have a key generator on your iThing |
| 08:40.26 | cbreak_work | how do you think those work? |
| 08:41.14 | unfo- | cbreak_work, please get to your point? |
| 08:41.53 | cbreak_work | I made it above |
| 08:41.57 | cbreak_work | read it, try to grasp it |
| 08:42.11 | cbreak_work | it's not about pins |
| 08:42.14 | cbreak_work | it's about security |
| 08:43.08 | unfo- | cbreak_work, i don't connect my ipod to a windows machine. |
| 08:43.33 | cbreak_work | iThings are networked. They can connect to the internet directly |
| 08:43.51 | cbreak_work | the most popular exploit vectors on iPhones is the web browser |
| 08:44.25 | cbreak_work | a malicious web page could steal the secret from an iPhone simply by someone visiting that page. |
| 08:44.44 | unfo- | ok. now that was news to me. Thank you. |
| 08:46.54 | cbreak_work | maybe you heard about the newest iPhone unlock? |
| 08:47.11 | unfo- | oh right... the jailbreak with just safari |
| 08:47.47 | cbreak_work | jailbreaks are local privilege escalation exploits |
| 08:47.57 | cbreak_work | this one was remote exploitable |
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| 10:58.32 | *** topic/#wowuidev is http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ || 3.3.x ToC: 30300 || #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting || 3.3.5 Patch Notes are up: http://cot.ag/aCj0Wy || Are you going to BlizzCon (Oct 22 & 23)? http://tinyurl.com/22kjfxu || Cataclysm Beta Keys for Authors! http://cot.ag/aG4uy6 or http://cot.ag/bYZvjt || Cata Beta UI download: http://bit.ly/cvplpG |
| 10:59.12 | mikma | Whee! /script local f=BonusActionBarFrame; f:ClearAllPoints(); f:SetPoint("CENTER",UIParent); f:Show() |
| 10:59.29 | mikma | there i go, i fixeded it for me (Shadow Dance action bar) |
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| 12:01.40 | Adys | youtube supports multi-word tags. |
| 12:01.53 | Adys | only took them a few years |
| 12:02.50 | Adys | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXuzrIN_x2M |
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| 12:09.10 | zenzio | Adys: well, let's be glad it's not Apple. I would hate to hear about how they have this super new invention, multi-word tags! No-one has done this before! |
| 12:09.33 | Kalroth | Adys: when will youtube stop killing all kinds of videos based on requests by dubious websites! |
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| 12:20.39 | Adys | Kalroth: http://www.questionablecontent.net/comics/1752.png |
| 12:21.17 | Kalroth | haha |
| 12:27.34 | Maldivia | QC is cute :) |
| 12:32.43 | mikma | 2 girls 1 cup |
| 12:35.30 | Motig | well this is in amusing bug, I transferred my Druid to cata realm while he was in bear form |
| 12:35.37 | Motig | and now he's stuck in it because on beta you have to learn new bear form first |
| 12:35.39 | Motig | before you can use it |
| 12:36.04 | zenzio | heh |
| 12:37.01 | sylvanaar_atwork | cant you unspec |
| 12:37.22 | sylvanaar_atwork | wont that change the form buff |
| 12:37.24 | mikma | yeah |
| 12:37.27 | mikma | unspec from bear form |
| 12:37.31 | sylvanaar_atwork | no |
| 12:37.36 | mikma | yeah |
| 12:37.41 | mikma | no is no |
| 12:38.22 | Motig | well the game didn't recognize me as shapeshifted |
| 12:38.27 | sylvanaar_atwork | ah |
| 12:38.37 | Motig | didn't have the buff icon either |
| 12:38.46 | sylvanaar_atwork | thats cute |
| 12:39.10 | Motig | reported it ;p |
| 12:39.41 | mikma | omg reported |
| 12:39.52 | mikma | cairenn|afk: wake up from your coma and approve my EnemyScanner ;) |
| 12:40.00 | sylvanaar_atwork | too much coffee today mikma? |
| 12:40.11 | mikma | sylvanaar_atwork: hmm, that may be correct. |
| 12:40.30 | sylvanaar_atwork | it happens |
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| 12:40.50 | mikma | 1 large cup of coffee at 6:30am |
| 12:41.08 | mikma | 1 large cup of choco-coffee at 2:00pm |
| 12:41.22 | Motig | what does your enemy scanner do? |
| 12:41.39 | zenzio | scans enemies |
| 12:41.42 | mikma | sniffs combat log and tells you if there's a enemy near |
| 12:41.54 | mikma | gets better and better estimates of their level when they use their spells |
| 12:42.04 | Motig | ok |
| 12:43.54 | mikma | motig: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info14357-EnemyScanner.html |
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| 12:51.37 | Motig | oh right |
| 12:51.44 | Motig | I figured it wasn't actually ON wowinterface yet |
| 12:51.44 | Motig | :P |
| 12:52.12 | mikma | i added the feature people requested ^^ clicking the names out of combat will target that player |
| 12:52.22 | mikma | i don't know will it work in bg, haha |
| 12:55.38 | Motig | queue up for one! |
| 12:58.53 | mikma | i has no wow on this pc |
| 13:00.53 | Motig | allright |
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| 13:32.46 | |Jelly| | tackle-hugs Peppy! TAKE THAT! |
| 13:33.29 | Lopeppeppy | Oooh, Jelly. *delicious shiver* Thank you! |
| 13:34.03 | |Jelly| | So ... I had like a 10 minute response time from a GM this morning. Freaky. |
| 13:34.41 | Lopeppeppy | Booga booga! |
| 13:35.10 | |Jelly| | Seriously ... before I finished AN, the issue was resolved. I think I might buy a lottery ticket. lol |
| 13:35.52 | haste | I have to put on "Jelly Battleship" everytime I read Jelly :( |
| 13:36.12 | haste | not that it really is a bad thing D: |
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| 13:40.52 | zenzio | Slashdot comment about Diaspora: "The name isn't exactly very catchy. Sounds like some random character from an RPG. Also sounds slightly like diarrhea mixed with spore (...)" |
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| 13:55.29 | Ackis | hey Shirik |
| 13:55.33 | Ackis | how was reach? |
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| 14:01.39 | sylvanaar_ipad | Did he get it yet? |
| 14:01.50 | Ackis | yeah |
| 14:01.54 | Ackis | he was playing last night |
| 14:02.29 | sylvanaar_ipad | I can't decide if I want to get it or not |
| 14:02.32 | zenzio | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/09/16/funny-pictures-video-kittens-big-jump/ |
| 14:03.12 | Ackis | sylvanaar_ipad: do you like xbox 360 multiplayer? if yes, then get it, if no rent it for a week |
| 14:04.55 | sylvanaar_ipad | I do, rental sounds good though |
| 14:09.37 | Ackis | I spent about an hour last night trying to kill 2 mobs on mission 3 :( |
| 14:09.45 | Ackis | had no idea how to kill them at all :( |
| 14:11.56 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: "All I did was stay back out of danger that my teammates would respawn close insted of going back behind us. But all i can say about the game is that it is tight as hell. Good Luck to everyone going for this one." <-- co-op legendary, does that make sense? |
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| 14:21.37 | Ackis | http://live.xbox.com/en-US/profile/profile.aspx?pp=0&GamerTag=gfwl+hackz |
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| 14:37.20 | Fisker | i want my damn logitech revue with google tv now Ackis |
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| 14:37.53 | Ackis | no |
| 14:37.55 | amro | Get Gold Today! |
| 14:37.59 | amro | I don't even own an xbox |
| 14:38.02 | amro | nice going |
| 14:38.45 | Fisker | yes Ackis |
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| 14:43.03 | Torhal | lops off Fisker's ears, fashions a necklace from them, then presents the necklace to Ackis. |
| 14:43.27 | Adys | Dagmar: you ever used dd-wrt? |
| 14:43.30 | Adys | or anyone here who has |
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| 14:44.03 | Fisker | i have, but not a whole lot |
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| 14:44.18 | Adys | Im trying to figure out how to enable local domain name |
| 14:44.21 | Fisker | basically i just flashed it to DD-WRT did a basic setup and ran with that |
| 14:44.21 | amro | who asked about a whole lot? |
| 14:44.37 | Adys | who asked about your sister's whole lot? |
| 14:44.40 | Arrowmaster | i used it once then switched to tomato |
| 14:44.54 | Fisker | your mom is a tomato |
| 14:45.08 | Torhal | No! You! |
| 14:45.39 | Fisker | yes |
| 14:45.40 | Fisker | me |
| 14:45.44 | Lopeppeppy | Yes, Fisker is a meat popsicle tomato. |
| 14:45.53 | Fisker | in the cityyyyyyyyyyy |
| 14:46.10 | Torhal | Multipass? |
| 14:46.31 | Humbedooh | leeloo dallas? |
| 14:46.43 | amro | ~rand |
| 14:46.43 | purl | 5 |
| 14:49.37 | Lopeppeppy | Chick-an goot. |
| 14:50.12 | cbreak_work | Torhal: single pass crf |
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| 14:58.33 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: I couldn't finish the daily challenges yesterday, I couldn't get 17 kills in a game nor 7 pummels in a game |
| 14:58.58 | Arrowmaster | didnt have to be pummels |
| 14:59.09 | Arrowmaster | shotgun kills worked too |
| 14:59.22 | Ackis | ah didn't realize that... I think I have 0 kills with a shotgun however |
| 15:00.44 | Arrowmaster | todays are all firefight |
| 15:01.07 | Ackis | might be able to get them done then |
| 15:01.16 | Ackis | http://www.bungie.net/Account/nameplates.aspx btw not sure if that shows up for you |
| 15:01.19 | Arrowmaster | 5 assists, kill 100 grunts, kill 10 elites, 100 headshots |
| 15:01.39 | Arrowmaster | Ackis: yeah ive had the helmet selected since day 1 |
| 15:01.57 | Ackis | I don't even see that option |
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| 15:03.22 | Arrowmaster | Ackis: http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=48078019 |
| 15:03.27 | nicoli_s | Ackis:so i realized that you can vote on game types in MP, so its alot more fun now |
| 15:03.34 | nicoli_s | and i finally got back into the swing of SWAT |
| 15:03.54 | Arrowmaster | ive got the one called spartan |
| 15:04.23 | Arrowmaster | MJOLNIR Mk VI |
| 15:04.23 | Arrowmaster | Reserved for our most steadfast fans. Unlock four of the five nameplates Halo PC, Halo 2, Halo 3, Halo 3: ODST, or the Halo: Reach Beta to earn the Master Chief's MJOLNIR Mk VI helmet nameplate. |
| 15:05.01 | Ackis | ah nice |
| 15:05.07 | Ackis | they won't give me credit for Halo 2 |
| 15:05.26 | Arrowmaster | you had to play online before they turned it off |
| 15:05.30 | nicoli_s | i still have a copy of halo 2 |
| 15:05.39 | Ackis | halo 2 PC Arrowmaster |
| 15:05.46 | Arrowmaster | yeah that doesnt count |
| 15:06.07 | Ackis | I can only do septagon or the assault gun |
| 15:06.11 | Arrowmaster | i might pickup a copy of halo 1 pc |
| 15:06.19 | Arrowmaster | you didnt play 3 or odst? |
| 15:06.25 | Ackis | no |
| 15:06.33 | Ackis | halo reach is my first xbox halo |
| 15:08.05 | nicoli_s | beat the campaign yet ackis? |
| 15:08.11 | Ackis | no |
| 15:08.14 | Ackis | mission 3 kicked my ass |
| 15:08.21 | Ackis | took me about an hour to beat it on normal |
| 15:08.31 | Ackis | apparently they assume you know how to play the game/kill mobs |
| 15:09.05 | Ackis | took me forever to figure out how to kill the big green guys with a shield |
| 15:09.17 | Arrowmaster | hunters? |
| 15:09.34 | Arrowmaster | or jackles? but those are small |
| 15:09.52 | Ackis | not the energy shield, the actual physical metal shield |
| 15:09.56 | Ackis | like a swat shield |
| 15:10.03 | Ackis | they should green globs at you that 1 hit you |
| 15:10.07 | Ackis | and do splash damage |
| 15:10.12 | nicoli_s | oh yeah they suck |
| 15:10.18 | nicoli_s | plasma grenades to the back work well |
| 15:11.01 | Arrowmaster | hunters |
| 15:11.14 | Arrowmaster | yeah i just jumped over them and shotguned them in the back till they died |
| 15:11.32 | Arrowmaster | i remember the time you could 1 hit kill them with a punch to the back |
| 15:12.17 | amro | jumped over? is this mario with a shotgun? |
| 15:12.33 | Ackis | yeah I didn't know you had to shoot them in the back =/ |
| 15:13.18 | Ackis | I think I'm getting a job offer today |
| 15:13.42 | Ackis | what's marathon durandel? |
| 15:16.47 | TC-Work | a marathon |
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| 15:18.35 | nicoli_s | marathon was te first bungie game |
| 15:18.40 | nicoli_s | what sorta job ackis? |
| 15:18.57 | Ackis | info security |
| 15:19.18 | nicoli_s | sweet, dont bring in yer usb key and get haxed |
| 15:19.33 | Ackis | but after thinking about it, they could just be calling to say thanks but no thanks |
| 15:19.39 | Ackis | don't think my references were called at all =/ |
| 15:19.47 | nicoli_s | well hold them to the thanks part and just come in to work |
| 15:20.29 | Ackis | lol |
| 15:23.56 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: want to do co-op legendary? I can be the guy that hangs back and everyone spawns off of him |
| 15:24.09 | Arrowmaster | fuck no, i want the avatar award |
| 15:24.19 | Ackis | which is that? |
| 15:24.21 | Arrowmaster | you be the fodder |
| 15:24.34 | Ackis | I haven't been paying attention to them since they don't work |
| 15:24.37 | Arrowmaster | the one for completing a legendary mission without dying |
| 15:24.46 | Arrowmaster | what do you mean dont work? |
| 15:24.58 | Ackis | avatar items don't work yet in the beta |
| 15:25.07 | Arrowmaster | oh |
| 15:25.11 | Arrowmaster | for you they dont work |
| 15:25.11 | Ackis | most of them don't I should say |
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| 15:25.33 | Ackis | I can unlock them just can't see what they are |
| 15:27.43 | Ackis | I might be able to get the daily challenges done today |
| 15:27.51 | Ackis | firefight isn't that bad, the headshots will suck though IMO |
| 15:29.00 | zenzelezz | headshots tend to do that |
| 15:29.45 | Fisker | Ackis |
| 15:29.48 | Fisker | i want my google tv |
| 15:30.43 | durcyn | i want my apple tv |
| 15:30.54 | durcyn | where is it Fisker |
| 15:31.11 | Ackis | I want my FiskerTV |
| 15:31.17 | Ackis | aka TV that sucks 24/7 |
| 15:31.29 | zenzelezz | oh please, it already does |
| 15:31.43 | nicoli_s | why spend money on apple tv when you could just stream shit with a xbox |
| 15:32.43 | Fisker | in the city |
| 15:32.53 | Fisker | xbox sucks |
| 15:32.55 | Fisker | but well said |
| 15:32.58 | Fisker | apple sucks as well |
| 15:33.02 | Fisker | but google tv |
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| 15:33.48 | Fisker | their keyboard is pretty sexy |
| 15:34.41 | Cide | fangoogleboy |
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| 15:35.05 | Fisker | naw Cide |
| 15:35.10 | Fisker | apple just sucks |
| 15:36.59 | Lopeppeppy | But... I want an iphone so I can have Plants vs.Zombies!! |
| 15:37.08 | Fisker | get a pc |
| 15:37.14 | Fisker | or android |
| 15:37.43 | Arrowmaster | im hoping google tv can actually play mkv's with softsubs and such, then i might get one for my parents |
| 15:37.48 | Ackis | you can play that game on the PC and xbox |
| 15:38.08 | Lopeppeppy | Touch screen for the very win with that game! |
| 15:38.25 | Fisker | i softsub u Arrowmaster |
| 15:38.26 | zenzelezz | can't you just get some zombies in your yard? |
| 15:38.27 | Lopeppeppy | Or I would get it for the laptop. I played it on an iPad and got spoiled. |
| 15:38.32 | Fisker | hence android Lopeppeppy |
| 15:41.05 | Lopeppeppy | I don't know much about androidness. Hmm. |
| 15:42.25 | alestane | Android seems to be iPhone for people who want control at the possible expense of simplicity, hence its popularity with programming geeks. |
| 15:42.58 | durcyn | android is for people who want shitty carrier branding in 37 places on their handset |
| 15:43.37 | alestane | Not a deciding factor for me. |
| 15:44.11 | Fisker | what expense of simplicity? |
| 15:44.32 | Fisker | better than a rotten eaten apple on the back durcyn |
| 15:44.40 | alestane | I might have gone with an Android phone, but my wife had already gotten an Evo; I figured this way we have two different carriers, two different OSes and two different app markets, so we have our bases covered. |
| 15:44.48 | Lopeppeppy | If it doesn't have carriers, I'm not interested. It's hard enough to get coverage here in the state park. |
| 15:44.58 | cog|sleep | Fisker: |
| 15:45.03 | cog|sleep | my groove is thrown off QQ |
| 15:45.12 | Fisker | hey cogwheel |
| 15:45.15 | Fisker | i QQ u |
| 15:45.28 | Fisker | protoss has carriers Lopeppeppy |
| 15:45.49 | alestane | Well, Peppy, if you were to go the iPhone route you would be stuck with AT&T. I don't know what their coverage is like out there, but several carriers offer Android phones. |
| 15:45.59 | alestane | So that could be a deciding factor. |
| 15:46.08 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, I've had ATT/Cingular for almost 10 years, I'm not unhappy with it. |
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| 15:47.37 | nicoli_s | ive loved ATT while ive had it |
| 15:47.42 | nicoli_s | so much better than sprint |
| 15:48.03 | alestane | I'm not wow about them yet, but I haven't had any dealbreakers, either. |
| 15:48.39 | alestane | likes his iPhone, and would probably like his Android phone if he had one. |
| 15:48.58 | Ackis | the worst US cell phone carrier > the best Canadian cell phone carrier |
| 15:49.02 | Humbedooh | would rather have a new puppy than a new phone |
| 15:49.11 | alestane | can't keep a puppy. |
| 15:49.20 | Humbedooh | but...puppies! :\ |
| 15:49.30 | alestane | But...landlord! |
| 15:49.31 | Humbedooh | husky puppies! |
| 15:50.10 | alestane | Not that puppies aren't awesome, but I have a lease agreement and all. |
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| 15:50.56 | alestane | Station |
| 15:50.57 | Lunessa | station |
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| 15:51.17 | cogwheel | station |
| 15:51.21 | cogwheel | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ehCFbVhT6o |
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| 15:51.49 | TC-Work | alestane gets points for beating Lunessa |
| 15:51.57 | cogwheel | rawr |
| 15:52.00 | Legorol | My Blizz downloader says I'm downloading at 4 Gb/s, not bad. |
| 15:52.34 | flyhard | Well, then downloading the patch of about 1.5 GB should be quite fast |
| 15:53.22 | alestane | http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2010/09/200lb_octopus_cake.html |
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| 15:54.09 | Fisker | yeah about 3 seconds flyhard |
| 15:54.15 | Fisker | penis cogwheel |
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| 15:54.28 | cogwheel | testicle fisker |
| 15:55.38 | mikma | testicle and penises |
| 15:56.11 | Jamash | I picked just the right time to log on, huh |
| 15:56.25 | Lunessa | If you're into that sort of thing. |
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| 15:56.57 | mikma | jamash: skool |
| 15:57.33 | TC-Work | seems you have scared away flyahrd |
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| 15:58.37 | Ackis | I'm cold, hold me Fisker |
| 15:58.48 | Fisker | google tv Ackis ? |
| 15:58.58 | Ackis | google tv will suck |
| 15:59.17 | alestane | http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2010/09/christianity_shall_fall_to_the.php |
| 15:59.36 | Fisker | no it won't Ackis |
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| 16:01.17 | Lunessa | Wow, alestane, there's some real anger in that post and comments. |
| 16:01.37 | alestane | I'm never sure what I think of Dr. Myers. |
| 16:02.15 | alestane | At least, I presume from his background that he probably has a doctorate. |
| 16:02.47 | Lunessa | I'm thinking he makes a very poor ambassador for his point of view when he delights or gloats. |
| 16:03.00 | alestane | I don't see any real anger in the post itself, but I didn't look at the comments. |
| 16:03.12 | cogwheel | Lunessa: he does fill that role well |
| 16:03.24 | Jamash | yes, atheists and agnostics should never actually state their point of view for fear of offending the proles |
| 16:03.25 | cogwheel | http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/07/the_great_desecration.php |
| 16:03.38 | alestane | That's his principle issue: I agree with many of his beliefs, but he's so vehement about them that he has a tendency to alienate people. |
| 16:03.56 | Lunessa | Perhaps I should say "Schadenfreude" then. |
| 16:04.14 | mikma | haste: http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/pedobearintroduction.jpg |
| 16:04.14 | alestane | His frequent tendency to decry all religion as fraud and mummery tends to annoy me. |
| 16:04.48 | Jamash | well, it is |
| 16:05.33 | alestane | Now admittedly, I define religion slightly differently. |
| 16:05.53 | Jamash | It really does depend on your definition, yes |
| 16:06.03 | Lunessa | Jamash: Not my point either. My point is that if you think reason is superior to faith (and there's good argument for that) and you want people to come around to your point of view, then delighting in their failures and berating them is not really a good means to change minds. It also works the other way. If you want people to have faith in a 'higher spiritual something' berating or punishing people for not believing is also poorly thought out. |
| 16:06.08 | alestane | I prefer to regard it as presented in Stephen J. Gould's excellent book Rocks of Ages: Science and Religion in the Fullness of Life. |
| 16:07.13 | alestane | He basically defines "religion" as the collective set of systems that we use for codifying, introspecting, revising and tuning our values. |
| 16:07.15 | cogwheel | alestane: non-overlapping magisteria? |
| 16:07.32 | Jamash | Lunessa: There's actually been a fair amount of debate about that lately, since the "Don't Be A Dick" speech |
| 16:07.37 | alestane | That's one of the terms he likes to use, cogwheel, yes. |
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| 16:07.43 | cogwheel | he can define it that way all he wants... in practice it's much more than that unfortunately |
| 16:08.12 | alestane | And admittedly, most of what Myers decries under the heading "religion" is more accurately termed "dogma." |
| 16:08.18 | cogwheel | yep |
| 16:08.21 | cogwheel | dogma's the real problem |
| 16:08.37 | alestane | Much of it is not religion per se, but dogmatic assertions about science. |
| 16:08.47 | Lunessa | He makes himself sound just as bad as the people he's deriding. |
| 16:08.58 | cogwheel | Lunessa: that's his point |
| 16:09.00 | Fisker | no way mikma |
| 16:09.19 | alestane | Or rather, about the nature of our physical surroundings, since science is an attitude about that knowledge and its pursuit. |
| 16:09.23 | Lunessa | It's still poor judgement. |
| 16:09.28 | alestane | An attitude and a set of practices. |
| 16:09.34 | cogwheel | Lunessa: no, that's his niche |
| 16:09.38 | mikma | yes way mikma |
| 16:09.46 | Fisker | no way mikma |
| 16:10.01 | cogwheel | Lunessa: on the other hand, many christians' views of atheists are even more reprehensible |
| 16:10.05 | mikma | everytime you say that, my yes way mikma will counter it. |
| 16:10.10 | Fisker | religious people are bad people |
| 16:10.13 | Jamash | Lunessa: Are you aware of how bad the people he's deriding are? |
| 16:10.17 | Fisker | my "no way mikma" will counter that |
| 16:10.35 | Lunessa | When the messenger offends, you tune out his message. Human nature. So as long as he wants to talk only to the 'faithful' of his stripe, it's fine. I guess. |
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| 16:10.37 | alestane | That's irrelevant, Jamash. |
| 16:10.44 | Fisker | cogwheel |
| 16:10.51 | Fisker | when i grow up i wanna be a hatchery? |
| 16:10.58 | Jamash | alestane: It is relevant |
| 16:11.08 | mikma | and my counter will always be stronger counter than yours, fisker |
| 16:11.16 | Lunessa | Jamash: I'm an ex-catholic, ex-baptist, and I once studied to be a priest. I still think that's a poor way to convince anyone that your way is better. |
| 16:11.22 | Jamash | Lunessa says "He makes himself sound just as bad as the people he's deriding", that's a judgment about relative badness |
| 16:11.30 | cogwheel | Lunessa: since every mind is different, minds will be changed by different approaches. Granted, he's at an end of the bell curve with regard to converting people. |
| 16:11.43 | cogwheel | but yeah, i think he does it more for the "choir" |
| 16:11.46 | Jamash | ergo, if the people he's deriding are worse, then he is not, ipso facto, just as bad |
| 16:11.49 | Lunessa | cogwheel: I concur. |
| 16:12.13 | Lunessa | Jamash: He is as bad as the people he is deriding. |
| 16:12.13 | alestane | Part of the point is that viciously repeating your own point of view does more to discredit you and your assertions, regardless of what they are. |
| 16:12.45 | cogwheel | it also depends on your definition of "vicious" |
| 16:12.46 | alestane | Posts that start with things like "Religion's voice is that of a spoiled child having a temper tantrum." are not going to attract anyone except fellow adherents. |
| 16:12.59 | Fisker | cogwheel |
| 16:13.03 | Fisker | I WANNA BE A HATCHERY |
| 16:13.04 | cogwheel | the things religious people say about atheists are often far worse but much better tolerated |
| 16:13.07 | cogwheel | by society |
| 16:13.09 | Jamash | ^ |
| 16:13.17 | alestane | I tried about five words on for size in that role and none of them were quite right. |
| 16:13.18 | Lopeppeppy | Everyone has a hobby. For some people, getting a reaction is quite rewarding. |
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| 16:13.30 | Lunessa | cogwheel: This is also true. |
| 16:13.33 | Ackis | cogwheel: that assumes atheists are tolerated by society |
| 16:13.37 | Jamash | For example, I don't think a US president has ever said that christians aren't really citizens |
| 16:13.44 | cogwheel | alestane: it's not just the word...this is a common discussion in the atheist movement |
| 16:13.52 | cogwheel | especially in the atheist/skeptic overlap |
| 16:14.27 | Jamash | "George H. W. Bush: No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God." |
| 16:14.33 | Lunessa | Telling people they are stupid is no way to make them smarter. And calling someone a child does not make them become an adult. |
| 16:14.33 | Fisker | cogwheel |
| 16:14.48 | cogwheel | Militant atheist: "I don't have any reason to believe in your religion. I think it's dumb, and i don't see why you believe it" |
| 16:14.59 | cogwheel | Militant religionist: <click bomb detonator> |
| 16:15.05 | Jamash | oh snap |
| 16:15.08 | Fisker | militant Fisker: cogwheel |
| 16:15.31 | cogwheel | There is far too much tolerance for religious intolerance |
| 16:15.43 | cogwheel | and far too little tolerance for intolerance of religion |
| 16:15.50 | Lopeppeppy | I'd like to buy the world a Coke, and keep it company |
| 16:16.04 | Jamash | buys Lopeppeppy a Coke |
| 16:16.25 | mikma | Cake? |
| 16:16.52 | Jamash | I think it's important to have people who call out religious stupidity for what it is, and also people who try the softer approach |
| 16:17.12 | PProvost | cogwheel: is that your line? or are you quoting someone? |
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| 16:17.24 | alestane | I'm pretty sure I've heard that before. |
| 16:17.51 | cogwheel | PProvost: i could be subconsciously paraphrasing. it's a sentiment i've heard many times but those words are original as far as i know |
| 16:18.10 | cogwheel | (and they could be a bit more concise...) |
| 16:18.39 | alestane | Not really, without stripping out nuance. |
| 16:18.50 | Lunessa | There's room for everyone's point of view, it's a big world and a larger universe. But the fringe of people who feel the need to destroy points of view counter to their own are quite troubling to me. |
| 16:19.00 | PProvost | Just liked it and wanted to put it in my quotes database |
| 16:19.03 | Jamash | Thomas Jefferson was accused of being an atheist who would burn down all the churches |
| 16:19.16 | cogwheel | Lunessa: the people who feel the need to destroy PEOPLE who holde points of view counter to their own are worse |
| 16:19.17 | alestane | I'm pretty sure Jefferson was a deist. |
| 16:19.24 | cogwheel | and guess what is included in most religious dogma? |
| 16:19.30 | cogwheel | hold* |
| 16:20.09 | cogwheel | And i don't see what's wrong in destroying ideas that are demostrably harmful (christianity has done this to a great extent considering how little of the bible is actually observed) |
| 16:20.20 | Lunessa | cogwheel: Every dogma claims it's the one true answer and all others are false and wrong and must be driven out of existence. Diest or not. |
| 16:20.29 | Lopeppeppy | It's defining "demonstrably harmful" that's the problem. |
| 16:20.46 | alestane | Given the way the Declaration says "appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions." |
| 16:21.09 | PProvost | Jefferson was publicly a deist. It is widely believed that if he lived today, with today's norms and scientific understanding, that he would be an athiest. |
| 16:21.13 | alestane | However, it's also pretty clear that Jefferson had been reading Hobbes. The reasons and offenses presented in the Declaration are worldly. |
| 16:21.37 | Lopeppeppy | Two people helped my ex-husband cheat, because they decided that he was making me unhappy anyway, and this would hasten the split. They think they did me a favor. I seriously disagree. Who is right? |
| 16:22.08 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: Everyone? (I kid, I kid) |
| 16:22.29 | Jamash | Raptor Jesus says that you should have killed him and laid your eggs in his chest cavity. |
| 16:22.40 | nicoli_s | awww poor APB, got shut down already |
| 16:22.42 | Lopeppeppy | No, you're probably right, Lunessa. Which is half of my point. |
| 16:22.52 | cogwheel | nah... if you're going to lay your eggs in a chest cavity, better to keep the subject alive |
| 16:22.57 | Jamash | nicoli_s: what, really? |
| 16:23.14 | alestane | They might have hastened the split further if they had told you what was going on. |
| 16:23.20 | Jamash | I didn't know it was out yet >.> |
| 16:23.32 | Lunessa | APB? |
| 16:23.48 | alestane | I'm generally of the opinion that accurate, complete information is the best basis for decisions. |
| 16:23.51 | Jamash | it's a thugs vs cops mmo thing |
| 16:23.57 | Lunessa | Ah. |
| 16:25.05 | Jamash | http://www.1up.com/news/radiant-silvergun-announced-xbla <------ WOOOOO |
| 16:25.41 | nicoli_s | i cant wait |
| 16:25.44 | nicoli_s | i love me some shmups |
| 16:25.52 | nicoli_s | Jamash:yeah they just announced it |
| 16:26.02 | nicoli_s | which is funny cuz they also just annoucned patch notes |
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| 16:27.01 | cogwheel | Fisker: D3 next year? |
| 16:27.23 | Jamash | I played so damn much Ikaruga |
| 16:28.31 | Jamash | granted, I was being paid to do so (GameCube port QA), but still |
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| 16:29.16 | nicoli_s | cogwheel:doubtful |
| 16:29.21 | nicoli_s | id say 2012 |
| 16:29.41 | cogwheel | it was playable at blizzcon 1y before SC was... |
| 16:29.52 | cogwheel | (obviously a VERY rough metric) |
| 16:30.02 | cogwheel | s/before/after/ |
| 16:30.05 | durcyn | rough? try completely meaningless |
| 16:30.10 | cogwheel | ^ |
| 16:30.12 | cogwheel | :P |
| 16:30.37 | Jamash | NOT EVEN DEATH CAN SAVE YOU FROM ME |
| 16:30.48 | zenzelezz | I think D3 will be 2011 just because I think they'll have some "space" then |
| 16:31.37 | Lunessa | I didn't play any of the other Diablo games, but D3 looks like major fun from what I've seen. |
| 16:31.58 | Jamash | THE WARMTH OF LIFE HAS ENTERED MY TOMB |
| 16:32.12 | Jamash | Lunessa, I am going to beat you with a rolled up newspaper until you download and play Diablo II |
| 16:32.48 | Lunessa | See the violence inherent in the system? |
| 16:33.18 | Jamash | seriously you can buy a CD key on line for like $5 |
| 16:33.31 | Lunessa | I have problems playing a game which is that mouse-intensive. |
| 16:33.51 | Jamash | ah, that is a problem |
| 16:34.31 | Jamash | there is much clicking |
| 16:34.34 | Lunessa | I have CTS in both wrists. Any play-style which forces the use of a mouse for long stretches causes intense pain. |
| 16:34.53 | zenzelezz | so mouse-intensive games never really clicked for you? |
| 16:35.01 | Lunessa | DING! |
| 16:35.21 | Lopeppeppy | That's why I want the iPad or iPhone or iPod Touch, Lunessa! |
| 16:35.25 | Jamash | facepalms. |
| 16:35.44 | Lopeppeppy | Less of the clickies. |
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| 16:36.02 | alestane | is trying to design touchscreen games. |
| 16:36.07 | zenzelezz | double-clicks Lopeppeppy |
| 16:36.09 | Jamash | more of the pokeys |
| 16:36.24 | Lopeppeppy | Yes yes, much more of the pokeys! *purr* |
| 16:36.28 | Lunessa | A game which I can play mostly with the keyboard is better for me. Or one where I can use the mouse for smal numbers of things. |
| 16:36.30 | Jamash | pokes Lopeppeppy |
| 16:37.34 | Jamash | so, any PTR UI guilds? |
| 16:37.46 | alestane | Is there a 3.9/4.0 PTR? |
| 16:38.11 | Lunessa | I'd like to be able to play with gestures, voice or keyboard or an amalgam of all three - I just need a pointing device which doesn't aggravate my injuries. |
| 16:38.14 | durcyn | there's a 4.0.1 ptr, yes, copies went up last friday |
| 16:38.37 | Jamash | use a wiimote |
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| 16:38.48 | cogwheel | ocular migraines.... that's what you get when random dungeon comes up with occulus 3 times in a row, right? |
| 16:39.08 | PProvost | I've use wiimotes at conference presentations |
| 16:39.10 | PProvost | Works great |
| 16:43.32 | Ackis | https://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/dc67d388-c774-4e15-b209-794719f72529.jpg |
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| 16:46.32 | Legorol | Lunessa: have you been properly diagnosed by a competent doctor as having CTS? |
| 16:46.48 | Legorol | Reason I ask is because people often (mistakenly) refer to a wide range of RSI-s as CTS |
| 16:47.03 | alestane | pokes Lopeppeppy all afternoon. |
| 16:47.04 | Legorol | actual CTS is rather rare, and there are ways to cure it (including minor surgery) |
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| 16:50.05 | mikma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyl9FMHRfOE |
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| 16:55.29 | Legorol | mikma: what on earth is that |
| 16:57.00 | Lunessa | Legorol: Yes. I was correctly diagnosed in 1995 |
| 16:59.04 | Lunessa | My case is mild, and surgery is contra-indicated. Physical therapy, ibuprofen and some device changes, and occasional use of braces makes life tolerable. |
| 17:00.06 | Jamash | you need a brain wave mouse |
| 17:00.31 | Arrowmaster | so you can still kill hunters by punching them in the back, just takes a couple punches |
| 17:02.07 | Lunessa | Jamash: Yes, and cybernetic eyes and a mini-gun mounted on my shoulder. |
| 17:02.32 | Jamash | let's not get ahead of ourselves |
| 17:03.36 | Jamash | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826100006 that sort of thing |
| 17:03.43 | Ackis | so halo reach did 200 million in sales in the first day |
| 17:03.59 | sylvanaar_atwork | what!@ |
| 17:04.16 | sylvanaar_atwork | thats insane |
| 17:04.17 | Jamash | you mean dollars, not copies |
| 17:04.28 | Ackis | sorry $200 million dollars |
| 17:04.29 | sylvanaar_atwork | oh |
| 17:04.40 | sylvanaar_atwork | pfew |
| 17:04.44 | Ackis | CoD MW2 (the biggest release evar) did $246 million |
| 17:04.55 | Ackis | but it was mutliplatform, Halo Reach is console exclusive |
| 17:05.12 | Arrowmaster | subtract $60 from that, i returned one of my copies already |
| 17:05.15 | Jamash | console fps make me a sad panda |
| 17:05.24 | sylvanaar_atwork | lol "one of my copies" |
| 17:07.11 | sylvanaar_atwork | im such a sucker for big game releases - i want to get a copy now |
| 17:07.40 | Arrowmaster | you have a 360? |
| 17:07.45 | sylvanaar_atwork | yeah |
| 17:08.12 | Arrowmaster | add me |
| 17:08.24 | sylvanaar_atwork | are you arrowmaster on 360? |
| 17:08.29 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 17:08.31 | sylvanaar_atwork | ok |
| 17:08.46 | Arrowmaster | with the pretty number 7 on my gamercard |
| 17:08.54 | Ackis | add me too, CanadaAckis c'est moi |
| 17:08.59 | Ackis | yeah 7 years of gold |
| 17:09.00 | Ackis | bastard |
| 17:10.15 | nicoli_s | sylvanaar_atwork:whats yer gamer tag? |
| 17:10.25 | sylvanaar_atwork | sylvanaar |
| 17:11.01 | nicoli_s | mmk, im Sankle |
| 17:11.21 | Arrowmaster | 655 GS? atleast your better than TC |
| 17:11.59 | sylvanaar_atwork | lol |
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| 17:12.39 | Arrowmaster | Thunder_Child only has 35 GS |
| 17:12.44 | sylvanaar_atwork | lol |
| 17:13.01 | mikma | legorol: it's from finnish comedy show, that's prolly from year 1992 or so |
| 17:14.25 | unfo- | lol aziiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiz ^^ |
| 17:14.41 | sylvanaar_atwork | light |
| 17:14.56 | Lunessa | Jamash: An interesting device. |
| 17:15.18 | Jamash | grrrr, my addon is messing up on feral druid abilities with the same name as each other |
| 17:15.25 | nicoli_s | my GS is low cuz ive been without a 360 for years |
| 17:15.34 | Lopeppeppy | sudo make me some cookies? |
| 17:15.43 | NightHawkTheSane | makes Lopeppeppy some cookies. |
| 17:16.08 | Jamash | which is somewhat baffling because it's supposed to be operating on spell global IDs |
| 17:16.33 | Ackis | my gs is higher than Arrowmaster's |
| 17:16.38 | Ackis | I'm just that leet |
| 17:16.42 | Ackis | s/leet/1337/ |
| 17:16.45 | Arrowmaster | you play stupid sports games |
| 17:17.05 | Ackis | I enjoy them |
| 17:18.04 | Ackis | and not all sports games easy... forza 3 took over 100 hours |
| 17:18.44 | Ackis | nhl 2k9 will take forever as well :P |
| 17:19.16 | Arrowmaster | ive spent over 100 hours on both burnout paradise and too human and dont have them completed |
| 17:19.24 | Lunessa | "Basically, if your processor is new/fast enough to have more than two, you don't need them for WoW anyway. It's like asking if you should hit the nitro boost on your custom Charger when you're racing a 1970's Pinto wagon. Sure you can push the button but it's totally unnecessary and any difference in who wins is all in your head." http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=26850265521&sid=2000 |
| 17:19.27 | sylvanaar_atwork | it looks like yout played infinite undiscovery about as much as i did Ackis |
| 17:19.50 | Ackis | sylvanaar_atwork: that was my fiancee |
| 17:19.58 | Ackis | I have to go back and complete the stupid game now =/ |
| 17:20.03 | sylvanaar_atwork | what a boring game |
| 17:20.18 | Ackis | likes completion % |
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| 17:23.21 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: when do you want to do the halo wars grind to general? |
| 17:23.27 | Arrowmaster | no clue |
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| 17:23.45 | Ackis | you're going to beat me to 100% Reach completion easily |
| 17:23.49 | Ackis | will you still play after that? |
| 17:24.22 | Arrowmaster | maybe |
| 17:24.50 | Ackis | since I own Halo ODST, do I have to buy the Halo 3 mappacks? |
| 17:25.15 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 17:25.19 | Ackis | wewt |
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| 17:25.38 | Ackis | I should do ODST before 3 however eh? |
| 17:26.01 | Ackis | iirc it's Wars, Reach, ODST, 1, 2, 3? |
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| 17:26.54 | Arrowmaster | what do you mean? |
| 17:27.15 | Ackis | chronological order |
| 17:27.53 | Arrowmaster | of the timeline? |
| 17:27.59 | sylvanaar_atwork | are any of you getting move or kinect |
| 17:28.05 | Arrowmaster | 3 and ODST are at the same time |
| 17:28.08 | Ackis | yeah timeline |
| 17:28.10 | Ackis | ah ok |
| 17:28.17 | Ackis | I might be getting kinect |
| 17:28.23 | Arrowmaster | you already have it |
| 17:28.35 | Ackis | just the beta |
| 17:31.49 | sylvanaar_atwork | i wonder about fable 3 and kinect - will they work together? |
| 17:32.08 | foxlit | there is, apparently, a pc version of fable 3 |
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| 17:32.18 | foxlit | who cares about kinect? :) |
| 17:32.19 | Ackis | yeah they will |
| 17:32.32 | Ackis | not out of the box however last I read |
| 17:32.38 | sylvanaar_atwork | ah |
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| 17:33.53 | sylvanaar_atwork | yeah, i wonder if i should just get the pc version |
| 17:34.58 | sylvanaar_atwork | hard to decide |
| 17:35.22 | sylvanaar_atwork | pc version is cheaper |
| 17:35.53 | Ackis | if PC is GFWL I'll end up getting both |
| 17:36.03 | Ackis | 2k GS from Fable 3 would be sexy |
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| 17:37.29 | augustl | anyone know of an action bar addon that has the same paging as the vanilla action bars? |
| 17:37.33 | Arrowmaster | not all pc games have a separate GS from 360 |
| 17:37.51 | augustl | or an action bar addon that can achieve something similar (same keybindings for different sets of actions) |
| 17:37.55 | foxlit | Ackis: epeenscore? |
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| 17:38.45 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: only one that I've found that shares is Shadowrun |
| 17:38.49 | Ackis | foxlit: :D |
| 17:40.17 | Jamash | augustl: I think bartender can be set up to work that way |
| 17:42.02 | Olorin | anyone on beta US PvE servers at the moment? they appear to be down but might just be login... |
| 17:42.20 | Arrowmaster | bartender does it by default |
| 17:42.56 | augustl | Jamash: ah didn't know. Thanks |
| 17:43.19 | Fisker | i'm messed up Ackis |
| 17:44.06 | Humbedooh | aaw my pet gnome has [Realm First! Level 80 Gnome] |
| 17:45.08 | sylvanaar_atwork | this is tempting http://store.steampowered.com/sub/4593/ |
| 17:48.02 | Olorin | Save ya money for the BioWare attempt at it... |
| 17:48.11 | sylvanaar_atwork | true dat |
| 17:48.21 | sylvanaar_atwork | <3 bioware |
| 17:48.44 | Olorin | But then its a lot of games for £35 |
| 17:49.34 | Lunessa | "You come to me, on the day of my daughter's wedding and demand that I do murder." |
| 17:52.08 | sylvanaar_atwork | the question is - would i actually play any of them |
| 17:52.23 | sylvanaar_atwork | like the rockstar game pack i bought |
| 17:52.28 | sylvanaar_atwork | and played 0 games |
| 17:55.02 | mikma | haste: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMBANMv97_o |
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| 17:56.34 | Cidan | er, are secure unit headers broken in cata beta? |
| 17:56.51 | alestane | ...I don't *think* so... |
| 17:57.23 | alestane | Although I think there is a bug with headers that show the party, including the player. |
| 17:58.41 | haste | mikma: haha, I remember that one :D |
| 17:59.58 | Fisker | double rainbow haste |
| 18:02.30 | Cidan | hm |
| 18:06.06 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/1132131864 |
| 18:08.47 | Adys | oh SWEET |
| 18:08.51 | Adys | kd3, nevcairiel |
| 18:09.01 | Adys | Someone made a patch for multicore support in wow |
| 18:09.02 | Adys | http://bugs2.winehq.org/attachment.cgi?id=30805 |
| 18:09.06 | Ackis | Adys: how is tht link funny? Please enlighten me |
| 18:09.14 | Jamash | it isn't |
| 18:09.21 | Adys | because there's a donut that looks like your giant asshole, Ackis |
| 18:09.38 | Ackis | I'm being serious, I just don't get it |
| 18:09.45 | kd3 | ! |
| 18:09.56 | kd3 | patches his copy of wine |
| 18:10.17 | Fisker | hey hey hey kd3 |
| 18:11.07 | Adys | kd3: it's time to run some new benchmarks. |
| 18:11.26 | Adys | note it wont have an effect on live |
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| 18:15.46 | kd3 | slideshow, but still... utterly insane: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2010/09/14/science/20100914_atom.html |
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| 18:27.53 | KarlKFI|work | impressive shots |
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| 18:30.49 | Lopeppeppy | Makes me shudder to wonder how many of those early photographers died a horrible death. |
| 18:33.14 | Lunessa | They used to give goddamned TOURS |
| 18:34.50 | Lunessa | A screenwriter friend of mine wrote a short story about it several years ago. |
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| 18:39.36 | Fisker | weird |
| 18:39.43 | Fisker | sounds like someone is playing porn in the background on this raid |
| 18:39.48 | haste | you dance and dissolve in the seethe! |
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| 18:45.25 | amro | Fisker: someone is always playing porn in the background of a wow raid |
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| 18:45.53 | cbreak | that must be the reason for the servers lagging |
| 18:46.08 | cbreak | blizzard abuses them for file exchange/playback :( |
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| 18:48.47 | Fisker | maybe amro |
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| 18:51.20 | jnwhiteh | Anyone up for proofreading a paper for me? =) |
| 18:52.04 | haste | I would say yes if I weren't going afk D: |
| 18:52.12 | jnwhiteh | tricksy hobbit! |
| 18:52.24 | haste | sorry, volleyball > paper reading :P |
| 18:52.32 | jnwhiteh | I've got a friend doing it for me, but I always like feedback bombardment |
| 18:52.37 | jnwhiteh | haste: OMG I could not agree more! |
| 18:54.13 | alestane | Put it in your pantry with your cupcakes? |
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| 18:55.49 | Fisker | hey jnwhiteh |
| 18:55.51 | Fisker | i proofread u |
| 18:55.55 | jnwhiteh | hihi |
| 18:55.57 | jnwhiteh | was I good? |
| 18:56.05 | Lopeppeppy | *giggle snark* |
| 18:56.09 | Fisker | you were pretty nice jnwhiteh |
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| 18:56.55 | alestane | Snark, Peppy? |
| 18:58.06 | Lopeppeppy | Standard response to things I can take in suuuuuch a perverted way! |
| 18:58.47 | alestane | Well, yes, I get that part. |
| 18:59.07 | alestane | But your mask is slipping, you know you don't think such things. |
| 18:59.25 | Jamash | oh yeah baby, proofread my paper, read between my lines, redline my dangling participles, etc. |
| 18:59.26 | mikma | jnwhiteh: everyone was doing it, and i just wanted to be popular |
| 18:59.34 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 19:00.26 | Fisker | >Fiskerdin< died from [Shadow Prison] , stack: 99 > 3445 (O: 10960) <-whoops |
| 19:00.57 | durcyn | stupid fiskerdin |
| 19:01.17 | Jamash | if I could rearrange split infinitives I'd put "to" and "go" together |
| 19:01.31 | Fisker | no u durcyn |
| 19:02.38 | Lopeppeppy | Heh. He said dangling. |
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| 19:04.53 | Jamash | how I test addon with no auth servers >:[ |
| 19:05.11 | Fisker | >:] |
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| 19:05.16 | Lopeppeppy | Popsicle sticks? |
| 19:05.33 | Jamash | darp? |
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| 19:10.11 | foxlit | http://miscellanea.wellingtongrey.net/2008/02/18/enginneers-vs-sociologists/ |
| 19:12.09 | alestane | dangles a participle in front of Lopeppeppy. |
| 19:13.10 | Lopeppeppy | That's a cat toy, and I have claws. |
| 19:13.57 | alestane | Jump! |
| 19:14.12 | alestane | This picture makes me feel wicked: http://megatokyo.com/rantimgs/1037.jpg |
| 19:17.46 | nicoli_s | http://io9.com/5588118/the-best-syfy-original-movie-trailer-ever-is-for-sharktopus |
| 19:17.53 | TC-Work | exactly http://miscellanea.wellingtongrey.net/2006/12/11/cats-not-that-funny/ |
| 19:18.00 | TC-Work | i'm looking at you alestane |
| 19:18.36 | alestane | is not a new internet user. |
| 19:18.59 | TC-Work | it doesnt matter, stop posting cat pics! it's not 1995 |
| 19:21.07 | nicoli_s | who would win? sharktopus or bear-sharktopus? |
| 19:22.42 | alestane | "My theory of this type of picture is, the audience wants to see it, based on the title, or they wouldn't turn on the channel. And they are willing to accept any fantastic premise you give them to get the picture started, provided that it's vaguely believable." |
| 19:28.58 | Fisker | waah |
| 19:29.00 | Fisker | i didn't get my token |
| 19:29.35 | mikma | hah |
| 19:33.32 | TC-Work | nicoli_s: http://wildforge.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d1gqaqp |
| 19:34.33 | foxlit | "APB, the action MMO created by Realtime Worlds and launched at the end of June, will soon be closing its doors." |
| 19:36.29 | mikma | yeah, shortest game evah |
| 19:36.38 | alestane | Wow, they're giving it three months? It must have about five subscribers. |
| 19:37.01 | mikma | i heard it had shitloads but cops were op |
| 19:37.12 | mikma | + other problems inside the corporation |
| 19:38.05 | foxlit | grr, TikZ |
| 19:38.15 | foxlit | hangs tex if you manage to make a syntax error, which is a bit meh |
| 19:39.02 | nicoli_s | foxlit: bear-shark is cool, but http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/comment/8/2010/07/1c1c1334072db922c90aae8f6048acc1/340x.jpg bearshocktopus is even cooler |
| 19:39.25 | Lunessa | It's not cool until it has frikkin lasers |
| 19:39.51 | foxlit | I suppose that's a hint that you're not familiar with either noun? :) |
| 19:41.10 | mikma | i suppose that you suck, foxlit |
| 19:41.16 | alestane | tex sounds famliar. |
| 19:41.46 | zenzelezz | foxlit: what's the source on that one? (the APB thing) |
| 19:42.33 | foxlit | zenzelezz: http://eu.apb.com/forums/showthread.php?t=76993 |
| 19:42.44 | zenzelezz | foxlit: cheers |
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| 19:57.25 | zenzelezz | "Hellgate London (with Founders), Tabula Rasa and now APB ... The next time I purchase an MMO I'll let you guys know ahead of time so you know that it will fail." |
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| 20:02.00 | TC-Work | http://www.cipherprime.com/2010/09/bundles-of-love-bundles-of-joy/ |
| 20:03.20 | TC-Work | or rather http://www.theindiebundle.com/ |
| 20:03.37 | Arrowmaster | zenzelezz: i could have told you the last two you listed would fail |
| 20:03.56 | zenzelezz | hehe |
| 20:04.13 | Ackis | hellgate london is up still I thought just not in NA |
| 20:05.19 | Arrowmaster | oh damn i broke 500GS in reach |
| 20:05.58 | Ackis | finished the campaign? |
| 20:06.03 | Arrowmaster | not yet |
| 20:06.11 | Arrowmaster | on mission 9 now |
| 20:06.59 | Arrowmaster | did upto 4 on legendary, and 5-8 on heroic |
| 20:07.02 | zenzelezz | "The character editor was probably the most polished part of the game and it was most designed so you would spend extra cash on giving your character a hat." -- heh |
| 20:07.06 | Ackis | which one is the space one? |
| 20:07.20 | Arrowmaster | 6 |
| 20:08.25 | Shirik | arrow |
| 20:08.27 | Shirik | Arrowmaster |
| 20:08.29 | Shirik | I got reach |
| 20:08.34 | Arrowmaster | ok |
| 20:08.51 | Shirik | we should coop |
| 20:08.54 | Ackis | I asked you earlier how it was Shirik |
| 20:08.55 | Shirik | but not now because I'm in class |
| 20:08.57 | Ackis | you ignored me |
| 20:09.07 | Shirik | Ackis: This is the first time I've been on my computer today |
| 20:09.09 | Shirik | and it was awesome |
| 20:09.11 | Ackis | saw you online last night |
| 20:09.13 | foxlit | TC-Work: it seems to not mention which platforms it supports |
| 20:09.33 | Shirik | my roommate and I blew through teh story line |
| 20:09.36 | Shirik | we've also already broken the forge |
| 20:09.38 | Shirik | We created this epic map |
| 20:09.42 | Shirik | Every minute, 4 tanks spawn |
| 20:09.47 | Shirik | and it launches them |
| 20:09.55 | Shirik | around places where people might be |
| 20:10.01 | Shirik | so you can just get randomly hit by a tank |
| 20:10.25 | Shirik | It was so hard to do that though; the forge isn't supposed to let you do that but we found a little trick in it to do it |
| 20:10.28 | Shirik | it's brilliant |
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| 20:10.37 | Ackis | I hope you get banned hacker |
| 20:10.41 | Shirik | :( |
| 20:10.44 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: did you do it on easy or something? |
| 20:10.45 | Ackis | :D |
| 20:10.48 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: Heroic |
| 20:10.55 | Arrowmaster | then why dont you have the achievement |
| 20:11.00 | Shirik | I did it coop |
| 20:11.02 | Shirik | that's probably why |
| 20:11.03 | Ackis | I got my ass handed to me in normal mode, how the hell do you do it heroic? |
| 20:11.05 | Shirik | did it with my roommate |
| 20:11.13 | Arrowmaster | you get the achievements in coop too |
| 20:11.16 | Shirik | um |
| 20:11.20 | Shirik | I dunno then |
| 20:11.24 | Ackis | wow now you're gamesaving |
| 20:11.31 | Ackis | low Shirik... low |
| 20:12.08 | Shirik | where are you looking for my achievements? |
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| 20:12.32 | Ackis | the internet |
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| 20:12.44 | Arrowmaster | my friends list |
| 20:12.51 | Ackis | http://live.xbox.com/en-CA/profile/profile.aspx?pp=0&GamerTag=Foxswift |
| 20:13.32 | Shirik | http://www.bungie.net/Stats/Reach/PlayerGameHistory.aspx?player=Foxswift |
| 20:13.56 | Shirik | it's definitely in there |
| 20:14.00 | Shirik | and you can't screw up the last mission so.. |
| 20:14.03 | Arrowmaster | you didnt do the first mission did you |
| 20:14.26 | Arrowmaster | thats probably why you dont have the achievement yet |
| 20:17.04 | Ackis | which one is the first mission? |
| 20:17.13 | Ackis | 1&2 blended together on me |
| 20:17.22 | Arrowmaster | the intro movie is mission 1 |
| 20:17.28 | Ackis | ah |
| 20:17.37 | Ackis | there should be an achievement for that |
| 20:18.02 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: when will you be home? |
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| 20:18.59 | Shirik | class ends 8:15 |
| 20:19.05 | Shirik | so probably around 8 |
| 20:19.06 | Shirik | 8:30 |
| 20:19.24 | Arrowmaster | timezone? |
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| 20:21.42 | Dagmar | That's just a damn shame that APB is already about to shut down |
| 20:22.40 | Arrowmaster | i never really saw the appeal in APB |
| 20:23.05 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: have you gotten any data pads yet? |
| 20:23.24 | Arrowmaster | i found one in sword base |
| 20:23.27 | Arrowmaster | what do they do? |
| 20:23.35 | zenzelezz | so I'm looking at Steam... it says I have downloaded 29155 MB of a game, but also says I have downloaded "18555 MB total" - and I didn't restart Steam during the download |
| 20:23.42 | Ackis | provide additional story line, that's about it I think |
| 20:25.19 | Ackis | http://www.haloreachplanet.com/halo-reach-datapads/ |
| 20:25.20 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 20:25.22 | Fisker | not so hey Ackis :( |
| 20:25.49 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: They had some really interesting PvP mechanics in the game |
| 20:26.33 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: The one really smart one that stands out to me was that cop or criminal, you could run around and do *small* things as long as you liked and only if opposing players actually saw you would you have much risk |
| 20:27.26 | Ackis | https://twitter.com/GameZoneOnline/status/24694358399 |
| 20:27.31 | Ackis | is that irony? |
| 20:27.35 | Fisker | twitter Ackis :( |
| 20:27.35 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: HOWEVER, raise your head up by getting crazy and killign a bunch of people or blowing a van full of criminals up and you quickly find yourself declared "Most Wanted" which makes the game point a big fat target on your forehead by telling *everyone* about you and putting your location on their radar map |
| 20:28.16 | Dagmar | I mean, that's a really elegant mechanism right there |
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| 20:28.33 | Arrowmaster | so basically it was a pure PvP game? |
| 20:28.40 | Dagmar | Sort of |
| 20:28.52 | durcyn | yes, elegant, if you count the fact that it was wholly lifted from grand theft auto |
| 20:29.03 | Dagmar | It's a city full of people, and if you were on the criminals side you could steal cars, mug people, that sort of thing |
| 20:29.07 | Dagmar | Wan't lifted |
| 20:29.12 | Arrowmaster | gee anybody notice a pattern with MMOs that die out? i think all the pure PvP ones are dead |
| 20:29.32 | Dagmar | The only connection ebtween the two was "urban street violence" and MW2 comes close to that in places |
| 20:29.42 | durcyn | Arrowmaster: RTW had other issues, APB's subscription base was actually higher than STO |
| 20:29.54 | Dagmar | Yeah. |
| 20:29.55 | durcyn | that sentence needed more TLAs IMO |
| 20:30.03 | Dagmar | They screwed up on their budgeting basically |
| 20:30.44 | zenzelezz | Arrowmaster: I don't know for sure, especially as I'm not into PvP, but it seems like pure PvP players tend to appreciate games with rankings and stuff, but don't care for full-fledged MMOs |
| 20:31.02 | zenzelezz | "I got my (BC2/Quake 3/UT98234/...), why pay monthly?" |
| 20:31.10 | Dagmar | There were some other little things I liked to... You'd get sent on jobs sometimes with 2-3 other people, and at the same time the game would send 2-3 people of approximately the same skill level after you |
| 20:31.16 | Dagmar | er liked too |
| 20:31.35 | Dagmar | As PvP went, it made sense beyond just "those are the guys you're killing" |
| 20:32.03 | Ackis | omg I want to die right now |
| 20:32.04 | Dagmar | I generally don't give a shit about PvP but APB actually found a way to make it palatable |
| 20:32.05 | Ackis | http://www.aolnews.com/weird-news/article/star-trek-inspires-cremation-urns/19636179 |
| 20:32.29 | zenzelezz | Dagmar: that all sounds like a more intriguing PvP system than I've encountered in MMOs (do note that I'm not saying MMOs don't have good PvP - I don't do PvP, so my experience is superficial at best) |
| 20:32.32 | Arrowmaster | sounds kinda like Face of Mankind was, except when i played the open beta nothing much worked as far as jobs |
| 20:32.38 | Dagmar | WEll, after letting everyone know you use AOL like that, I'd be a little dismayed as well |
| 20:32.41 | durcyn | by a weird coincidence, i want you to die right now too, Ackis |
| 20:33.07 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Pfft. Let's not forget that most of the faction heads were giant cocks |
| 20:33.18 | Arrowmaster | you played FoM too? |
| 20:33.30 | Ackis | durcyn: come to my funeral? |
| 20:34.00 | durcyn | Ackis: only if i can get some alone time with your ashes |
| 20:34.10 | Dagmar | Yeah. I *tried* the law enforcement faction, but they were complete and utter jackasses |
| 20:34.22 | Dagmar | There was some semi-criminal cartel I had way more fun with |
| 20:34.25 | Arrowmaster | i was in the army faction during the beta |
| 20:34.41 | Ackis | durcyn: I'll be the best piece of ash you've ever got |
| 20:35.06 | durcyn | okay, for that pun, kill yourself |
| 20:35.17 | Dagmar | Their heads were apparently mostly actual military or former military or something becuase their idea of fun was to take drugs, run laps around a secure perimeter, then take more drugs to run faster. Kill anyone who had a problem with it. |
| 20:35.42 | Dagmar | This, I actually found to be more honest work than what was going on with the LEO faction |
| 20:36.40 | Shirik | Arrowmaster:Eastern |
| 20:37.26 | Ackis | zomg if it's Eastern time zone I can play co-op with Arrowmaster and Shirik |
| 20:38.57 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:39.04 | Arrowmaster | ok well i have to go pickup my mom at the airport around 11-12 |
| 20:39.48 | Dagmar | foxlit: did you generate those programmatically? |
| 20:39.55 | foxlit | Dagmar: no. |
| 20:40.07 | Dagmar | Then you might have missed a few |
| 20:41.23 | foxlit | Dagmar: non-committing :) |
| 20:41.31 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: what is that/ |
| 20:41.33 | NightHawkTheSane | ? |
| 20:41.35 | Dagmar | Well, it depends on the rules you're following |
| 20:42.09 | Dagmar | You missed some if you allow a line to start at one point and connect to the second dot over (one doe in the enclosed area) |
| 20:42.30 | Dagmar | You also missed some if you allow two lines to depart one point and connect to dots directly next to each other (most acute angle) |
| 20:42.51 | Dagmar | But I don't see an indication that those were considered valid |
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| 20:43.40 | Dagmar | Of course pemutations on those two make for a CRAPLOAD more glyphs |
| 20:44.47 | Dagmar | This just reeks of those puzzles they made us do in high school |
| 20:45.00 | foxlit | Teeheee :) |
| 20:45.01 | Dagmar | _I Was A High School Lab Rat_ |
| 20:45.32 | Dagmar | I was a wee bit disappointed to find out more research went into _what we did_ than the research that led to what they had us doing |
| 20:45.44 | Cide | I don't see empty polygons for any of the n<10-gons |
| 20:46.05 | Dagmar | It felt a bit dehumanzing, but whatever... it kept me from having to put up with boring-as-hell English classes two days a week |
| 20:46.07 | Cide | maybe those are considered the same |
| 20:46.52 | Dagmar | I figure if immersion training in English hasn't taken by ninth grade, you're just not trying |
| 20:46.58 | foxlit | Cide: I'm mildly suggesting that the empty decagon might stand to have some lines drawn inside it. |
| 20:47.46 | Dagmar | OKay so it's _exactly_ the sort of stuff they threw at us in those classes then |
| 20:49.03 | Shirik | http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/16/us/16judge.html?_r=4&src=twt&twt=NYTimesAd |
| 20:49.23 | foxlit | Shirik: ew, register now |
| 20:49.28 | Shirik | ? |
| 20:49.33 | foxlit | gated link. |
| 20:49.34 | Lunessa | Paywall FAIL |
| 20:49.37 | Shirik | :( |
| 20:49.39 | Shirik | sorry |
| 20:49.41 | Shirik | um |
| 20:49.59 | Shirik | http://tinyurl.com/379tgzc |
| 20:50.00 | Shirik | is that better? |
| 20:50.03 | Shirik | that's how I got there |
| 20:50.12 | foxlit | surprisingly, yes |
| 20:50.29 | Dagmar | You didn't miss any if the rules are that a single line has to jump over two dots, and lines that continue from a point have to have one dot separating it from it's origin point (not sure I'm saying it right) |
| 20:51.27 | amro | who listens to limbaugh anymore? |
| 20:51.34 | Dagmar | Nutjobs. |
| 20:51.57 | amro | you'd think all the spittle would have damaged his microphone by now |
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| 20:52.29 | TC-Work | foxlit: be on windoes and you never have to worry |
| 20:52.32 | TC-Work | windows* |
| 20:54.16 | Lunessa | Oh com'on, it can be amusing to listen to anyone with a political axe to grind. Characterizing all listeners of an opinion broadcaster/pundit as 'nut-jobs' misses the whole picture. |
| 20:54.22 | TC-Work | or wonder rather |
| 20:54.51 | Lunessa | I mean, didn't the reporter have to listen to him in order to write articles about him? :P |
| 20:55.19 | Dagmar | Lunessa: Honestly, if you wanne hear trolling on the radio, there's a radio host who does it way better |
| 20:55.49 | Lunessa | I listen to Dennis Miller, he's far more entertaining. |
| 20:55.58 | Dagmar | Phil Hendrie |
| 20:56.02 | Dagmar | Took me a minute to remember his name |
| 20:56.09 | Dagmar | He's a _professional_ troll. |
| 20:56.17 | Lunessa | Oh Hendrie is amusing in small doses. |
| 20:56.25 | Ackis | "Edmontonians living in a condo complex along Abbottsfield Rd. were forced from their homes Sunday afternoon after a woman drove through her carport and ruptured a gas line." |
| 20:56.31 | Ackis | *sigh* |
| 20:56.35 | Ackis | that's what I put pants on for |
| 20:56.43 | Lunessa | Ackis: Is that your place? |
| 20:56.46 | Ackis | yeah |
| 20:56.56 | Dagmar | Ackis: Um... You do know what happened in San Bruno last week, right? |
| 20:56.58 | Ackis | I mentioned I got evacuated Sunday, just decided to look why |
| 20:57.02 | Lunessa | You guys got put through the wringer. |
| 20:57.07 | Ackis | yeah Dagmar I know |
| 20:57.24 | Dagmar | Okay. I wouldn't really be complaining about having to put on pants. |
| 20:57.27 | Dagmar | It beats having to be put out. |
| 20:57.40 | Dagmar | ...or swept into a little box. |
| 20:57.42 | foxlit | Dagmar: the rule is really that the resulting slices all have to have four corners. |
| 20:57.50 | Ackis | because some woman is a moron |
| 20:58.44 | Ackis | funny thing is, the first thing I did after getting the evacuation order was to turn off my computer |
| 20:59.08 | Ackis | then I went pee, grabbed my book and my dog and went to the evacuation staging point and then tweeted/facebooked about it |
| 20:59.34 | Ackis | the cats got left behind |
| 20:59.39 | KarlKFI|work | if i got an evac warning i'd prolly shut down my compy and grab the drive trays |
| 21:00.04 | KarlKFI|work | cause i'm too lazy for an offsite backup |
| 21:00.14 | Cide | foxlit: I believe you missed several combinations then |
| 21:00.14 | Ackis | there was no urgency in the voices of the fire fighters |
| 21:00.21 | Lunessa | A woman I used to work with back in the day got caught in a natural gas explosion in her home. Faulty connector blew out, room filled with gas, gas exploded. Being evacuated really beats the alternative. |
| 21:00.23 | Dagmar | KarlKFI: Google "Cooler Master Ammo Case" |
| 21:00.38 | Dagmar | KarlKFI: THat's how I deal with quick departure |
| 21:00.39 | foxlit | Cide: possible, but I can't seem to think of one. |
| 21:00.48 | Cide | well I'm not sure I get your criteria |
| 21:00.57 | Cide | but you have no intersecting lines for instance |
| 21:01.13 | foxlit | Indeed. Intersecting lines are bad. |
| 21:01.27 | KarlKFI|work | my computer i usually strapped with a GearGrip fromt he last LAN party |
| 21:01.42 | Dagmar | Well, if you have to have four points on each perimiter I'm thinking it's still the same. There's nothing that can go in that last figure |
| 21:01.51 | KarlKFI|work | but if it's not it's not hard to add. it is very heavy tho |
| 21:02.11 | KarlKFI|work | if i had more time i'd grab my 30" too, since i have a GearGrip for that too now |
| 21:02.46 | KarlKFI|work | prolly the most expensive single item in my apt |
| 21:03.00 | Maldivia | gotta love Betty White... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67wFpe-Rfyg |
| 21:03.04 | Dagmar | YOu have to start with creating the really narrow slice where a line goes from origin to three dots away, and from there there's only three permutations possible for the next slice, two of which mirror each other... |
| 21:03.44 | Dagmar | All three of those only have one other line you can create |
| 21:04.18 | Dagmar | Oh wait no. |
| 21:04.28 | Dagmar | I needed more caffiene apparently |
| 21:04.36 | Shirik | Cide: 'import exceptions' failed; use -v for traceback |
| 21:04.40 | Dagmar | Firing up inkscape |
| 21:04.41 | Shirik | Got this from some python app |
| 21:04.46 | Shirik | does this mean my python install is fucked? |
| 21:04.58 | Shirik | also: ImportError: No module named os |
| 21:05.13 | cogwheel | note to self: don't jump off a cliff into water while path of frost is active |
| 21:05.20 | Ackis | KarlKFI|work: gear grip sounds interesting, I googled it, doesn't seem safe |
| 21:05.26 | alestane | That's a BAD idea, cogwheel. |
| 21:05.29 | KarlKFI|work | safe? |
| 21:05.49 | Ackis | like the straps are weak |
| 21:05.54 | KarlKFI|work | they're not |
| 21:06.00 | KarlKFI|work | they're thick |
| 21:06.12 | Ackis | says up to 70 pounds |
| 21:06.16 | alestane | That reminds me of my old little recitations back when Scryer's Tier was my main base of operations: "Memo to me, memo to me: Dreadsteeds CAN'T FLY." |
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| 21:06.29 | NightHawkTheSane | cogwheel: on the flip side: jumping off into water with your group-mate and triggering path of frost on the way down? hilarious. |
| 21:06.29 | KarlKFI|work | i've had them for years and they carry around my million pound Mac Pro |
| 21:06.29 | Maldivia | cogwheel: well, it's an easy way to turn a death knight into a dead knight |
| 21:06.47 | Ackis | alestane: you could survive the scryers tear jump I thought, just not the aldor one |
| 21:07.11 | alestane | Not if you jumped off the plateau in front of the Inn into the Lower City, Ackis. |
| 21:07.11 | Ackis | tier derp |
| 21:07.17 | Ackis | lulz |
| 21:07.22 | Ackis | I ended up as an angel there a few times |
| 21:07.35 | Lunessa | In BC I used to sneakily cast water-walking on the tank in Steam Vault just before the jump. |
| 21:07.47 | alestane | I usually flew off there to swoop straight down to the bank. |
| 21:07.56 | KarlKFI|work | Macpros are like 40lbs stock i guess |
| 21:08.18 | KarlKFI|work | and i have full hd's and pci slots and full ram slots |
| 21:08.36 | KarlKFI|work | so if your PC is > 70 lbs.... you might have issues |
| 21:08.50 | KarlKFI|work | but then it's prolly made outa solid steel |
| 21:08.57 | NightHawkTheSane | with bricks in the case. |
| 21:10.08 | Shirik | Does anyone have any bright ideas to get this out of my logs? |
| 21:10.13 | KarlKFI|work | plus i take mine down 3 flights of stairs and int he back seat of a car, so that's prolly fairly typical usage, it's moved with me to a bunch fo apts |
| 21:10.16 | Shirik | Sep 16 17:11:26 heresiarchguild sshd[10837]: Accepted publickey for buildserver from 64.244.63.81 port 37986 ssh2 |
| 21:10.16 | Shirik | Sep 16 17:11:26 heresiarchguild sshd[10837]: pam_unix(sshd:session): session opened for user buildserver by (uid=0) |
| 21:10.28 | Shirik | It comes up every 10 seconds because a connection is made every 10 seconds |
| 21:11.05 | KarlKFI|work | plus it has a shoulder strap which is a life saver |
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| 21:11.22 | Dagmar | Uploading solution to photobucket |
| 21:11.36 | KarlKFI|work | feels the lols coming up |
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| 21:12.21 | durcyn | Shirik: change LogLevel from the default of INFO to something less verbose like ERROR or FATAL |
| 21:12.34 | KarlKFI|work | WARN |
| 21:12.47 | durcyn | sshd doesn't use WARN. |
| 21:12.52 | KarlKFI|work | shhh |
| 21:12.54 | Dagmar | foxlit: http://s152.photobucket.com/albums/s188/evildagmar/?action=view¤t=morecaffiene.png |
| 21:12.56 | KarlKFI|work | told tell him |
| 21:13.02 | KarlKFI|work | don't* |
| 21:13.28 | foxlit | Dagmar: that works :) |
| 21:13.38 | KarlKFI|work | oh i thought you were uploadign a solution to Shirik's problem |
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| 21:14.00 | Dagmar | Nah Shirik's problem is just to change the log facility sshd uses |
| 21:14.18 | Dagmar | Move the whole damn thing over to local2 or something |
| 21:14.32 | Dagmar | It's why those are there |
| 21:15.08 | Dagmar | foxlit: That would have taken less time but I really did wake up just about twenty minutes ago |
| 21:15.17 | Dagmar | I'm still trying to get my eyes to focus |
| 21:15.41 | Dagmar | Gotta lie in wait for the FedEx guy now. He's bringing my eee 1000 back today (in theory) |
| 21:15.48 | Shirik | I was really hoping for a solution to only remove that one user from being logged |
| 21:15.55 | Shirik | but I guess I can just change the log leve |
| 21:16.03 | foxlit | grep |
| 21:16.21 | Dagmar | shirik: You can also have it log to a fifo |
| 21:16.23 | Dagmar | But... |
| 21:16.48 | KarlKFI|work | buffer writer with filter |
| 21:16.51 | Dagmar | Keep in mind that on some platforms (hopefully not yours) calls to syslog that result in a write to a fifo with no listener BLOCK when the buffer is filled |
| 21:17.13 | Dagmar | This can really ruin your day if you forget to put in a cron job to make DAMN sure there's always a listener |
| 21:17.34 | Dagmar | Then you get a cool race condition where you must login BEFORE the buffer gets full |
| 21:17.47 | Dagmar | This is also a great way to torment newb admins |
| 21:17.50 | KarlKFI|work | or it asplodes? |
| 21:18.06 | Dagmar | The system will work fine, but you won't be able to login |
| 21:18.09 | durcyn | Shirik: there are syslog filters out there, if you exercise your JFGI-fu |
| 21:18.16 | Dagmar | ...and it generates no obvious errors. :) |
| 21:18.35 | Adys | Cide |
| 21:18.52 | Adys | how do you iterate more than one item at once on a tuple? |
| 21:19.02 | KarlKFI|work | in lua? |
| 21:19.06 | Adys | in python |
| 21:19.15 | Adys | eg for even, uneven in range(100) |
| 21:19.20 | Adys | except something that works |
| 21:19.36 | Dagmar | But if you wanted to just snuff that one listener you can move sshd to logging to local2, syslog sends that to a fifo, a short script to filter out the shit you won't want listens to the fifo, and resends each message back into syslog |
| 21:19.57 | Dagmar | s/listener/user/ |
| 21:20.21 | durcyn | or use a non-braindead syslogd like syslog-ng with internal filters |
| 21:21.54 | Dagmar | If you have syslog-ng, durcyn++ but I didn't know syslogng could do that |
| 21:21.59 | Dagmar | They could stand to mention that on the damn man page |
| 21:22.35 | KarlKFI|work | for x in range(100/2); odd = x*2-1 ; even = odd + 1 |
| 21:22.42 | KarlKFI|work | not that i take it |
| 21:23.02 | durcyn | eh, it'd be convoluted, but i seem to recall i've seen configs with something approaching a negation regex in the filter chain |
| 21:23.04 | Dagmar | Might be that slackware's version of it doesn't have that |
| 21:23.13 | Dagmar | http://www.balabit.com/network-security/syslog-ng/opensource-logging-system/features/pattern_db |
| 21:23.19 | Dagmar | Ya learn something new every third day |
| 21:24.08 | KarlKFI|work | slightly better: for x in range(100/2); even = x*2 ; odd = even - 1; |
| 21:25.19 | Dagmar | The PTRs new leveling dialog is purty |
| 21:26.15 | Dagmar | Shucks. PTR is doon |
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| 21:35.04 | Cide | Adys: um |
| 21:36.25 | Cide | you can probably do |
| 21:36.38 | Adys | Cide: i got it |
| 21:36.44 | Cide | it = range(100); for even, uneven in zip(it, it) |
| 21:36.57 | Adys | almost |
| 21:37.02 | Adys | need to do iter(it) first |
| 21:37.06 | Cide | well yeah |
| 21:37.10 | Cide | use xrange instead |
| 21:37.17 | Adys | yes except im not even using range |
| 21:37.18 | Adys | :P |
| 21:37.26 | Adys | its just a tuple of data |
| 21:37.34 | Cide | well you asked for how to use an iterator :P |
| 21:37.38 | Cide | a tuple is not an iterator! |
| 21:37.42 | Arrowmaster | 9th mission over, and now i have a suspicion about noble six's identity |
| 21:37.54 | Cide | it's YOU |
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| 21:38.26 | foxlit | In the pantry. |
| 21:38.44 | foxlit | With a sledgehammer? |
| 21:39.12 | durcyn | it's those meddling kids. |
| 21:44.55 | Fisker | in the ciiiiiityyyyyyyy |
| 21:52.48 | Adys | Theres a hair and an eyebrow on my desk right now |
| 21:52.52 | Adys | being absolutely awesome |
| 21:52.58 | Adys | Cairenn: http://www.pastethat.com/media/files/2010/09/16/IMAG0044.jpg |
| 21:53.15 | Cairenn | mrrh? |
| 21:53.22 | Arrowmaster | god damn elite keeps moving and i cant jump on him and assassinate him |
| 21:54.39 | Mihau | Adys: Looks like a boobie. |
| 21:54.52 | Adys | wtf is wrong with you |
| 21:55.05 | Adys | a knifed, bleeding boob? |
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| 21:58.54 | Olorin | PTR just came up FYI |
| 22:02.46 | Cide | does look like a boobie |
| 22:12.50 | Lunessa | to the my mind, many things look like boobs. I think my subconscious is telling me I need more boobs in my life. |
| 22:12.52 | Dashkal | Yay, diaspora* has been released for hacking |
| 22:14.05 | Dashkal | Digging aspects. |
| 22:14.34 | nicoli_s | released for hacking? |
| 22:14.43 | Dashkal | Developer release. Not yet alpha |
| 22:15.01 | Dashkal | For those interested: http://www.joindiaspora.com/2010/09/15/developer-release.html |
| 22:15.33 | nicoli_s | s |
| 22:15.35 | nicoli_s | what lang? |
| 22:15.40 | Dashkal | Ruby |
| 22:15.51 | Dashkal | *sighs* Another language to learn I guess. |
| 22:15.58 | Lunessa | Lots and lots and lots of Ruby |
| 22:16.16 | nicoli_s | ruby is pretty easu to pick up, had to learn it for my senior seminar class |
| 22:16.16 | Dashkal | The new python was ahead on my list of languages to learn, but this project is really really cool. Time to switch that. |
| 22:17.12 | Dashkal | This is the first social network project I've seen that may actually meet my standards of usability. |
| 22:18.30 | nicoli_s | so if its distributed, seems like that would make it hard to develop on |
| 22:19.03 | Adys | python > ruby |
| 22:19.04 | Dashkal | You'd think so, but it's a stated goal of their's to be extensable in the face of that. |
| 22:19.11 | Adys | in easiness to learn anyway |
| 22:19.12 | inviso | agreed Adys :) |
| 22:19.22 | inviso | Ruby is just... backwards |
| 22:19.40 | nicoli_s | its not that bad if yer familar with MVC |
| 22:20.41 | amro | backwards is relative |
| 22:20.50 | inviso | Yup, definitely |
| 22:21.29 | Adys | nicoli_s: if by MVC you mean CVM |
| 22:21.37 | inviso | I have yet to meet anyone who really likes both Ruby and Python. I usually see hate/love or love/hate |
| 22:21.58 | amro | I do |
| 22:22.01 | amro | I love both |
| 22:22.26 | inviso | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:22.29 | amro | most of the love/hate is because people feel the need to hate competition in order to feel better about themselves |
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| 22:22.40 | Xyphoid | that's what programmers are all about right |
| 22:23.23 | amro | Ruby/python sucks!! (translation: I don't know or don't get the language, so I'm going to say it sucks to justify my lack of expertise in that area) |
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| 22:25.14 | Dashkal | amro: I so very much hate that mentality |
| 22:25.45 | amro | it's everywhere from sports to music to video games |
| 22:25.54 | Adys | python is definitely easier to learn than ruby |
| 22:26.02 | NightHawkTheSane | amro: its everywhere, period. |
| 22:26.15 | amro | Adys: again, relative |
| 22:26.22 | Dashkal | tribalism. X is better than Y because it's part of my tribe. |
| 22:26.33 | amro | it may be definitely easier coming from a background of X or Y |
| 22:26.45 | amro | but generally speaking, ruby is actually more accessible |
| 22:26.50 | Adys | ruby syntax itself is sort of weird |
| 22:26.56 | Dashkal | I want to test that. I'm looking for a hapless victim who is NOT a programmer, and I want to teach them using Haskell first. |
| 22:26.59 | amro | also relative |
| 22:26.59 | Adys | while python uses mostly english word wherever it can |
| 22:27.03 | Adys | +s |
| 22:27.12 | amro | why? does ruby use japanese? |
| 22:27.20 | amro | if anything, ruby has more natural syntax |
| 22:27.25 | Adys | no.. but it uses special characters in a lot of places |
| 22:27.36 | amro | like? |
| 22:27.37 | Adys | more than python |
| 22:27.47 | Adys | i dont know dude I dont have a ruby file open in front of my |
| 22:27.47 | Adys | :pp |
| 22:28.03 | amro | if you can't give me an example your point is moot |
| 22:28.32 | Dashkal | I suspect, and wish to confirm/deny that Haskell learned by someone with no programming experience will come much more easily. And further, transitioning to 'mainstream' languages will be easier than the other way around. |
| 22:28.45 | amro | ruby has mostly the same symbols as python, with extra symbols for some features that aren't even in python |
| 22:29.10 | amro | Dashkal: I personally don't think it's much of a 'transition', it's a completely different mindset |
| 22:29.22 | amro | it's a lot easier if you think you're learning from scratch |
| 22:30.03 | Dashkal | amro: That's the basis of the first part of my hypothesis. The second is much harder to test. And given the lack of subjects, I can't exactly be scientific in any event. Still, it'll be good fun. |
| 22:30.31 | Xyphoid | clearly you should kidnap people and teach them haskell in your basement |
| 22:30.35 | amro | yeah it's going to be hard to find someone who started with functional languages |
| 22:31.12 | Dashkal | I do have one friend who's expressed interest in learning programming. Might work out |
| 22:32.04 | Dashkal | But hey, if my case works out, it might inspire someone more driven to make an actual test out of it. *shrugs* |
| 22:32.25 | Xyphoid | it's fascinating that once upon a time people learned with LOGO |
| 22:32.33 | Dashkal | <-- learned with LOGO |
| 22:32.37 | Dashkal | then Apple ][ BASIC |
| 22:32.49 | Dashkal | Soo many bad habits... |
| 22:33.06 | amro | you don't learn programming with basic |
| 22:33.08 | amro | you use basic |
| 22:33.12 | amro | then at some point, you find another language |
| 22:33.17 | amro | that's when you learn programming |
| 22:33.38 | Dashkal | In my defence, I did actually manage to learn some good programming practices despite the language. |
| 22:33.45 | Lunessa | I learned in Basic. Many different flavors. |
| 22:33.48 | Dashkal | reserved variable names and gosub for functions, that kind of thing |
| 22:34.49 | Lunessa | In the late 70s and early 80s there weren't many opportunities to work in anything else for unemployed pre-teens and teens. |
| 22:35.42 | amro | now I feel like a baby kid |
| 22:35.52 | Lunessa | get off my lawn |
| 22:36.12 | Dashkal | I cringe when I realize I've been a programmer for 20 years now. |
| 22:36.30 | Xyphoid | i remember apple II basic too |
| 22:36.40 | Dashkal | I still remember Apple ][ Assembler :P |
| 22:36.47 | ckknight | Dashkal: you've got me beat |
| 22:36.54 | ckknight | I've only been programming for 14 years |
| 22:36.56 | Xyphoid | so proud of my travel-around-allansia-and-kill-random-monsters game |
| 22:37.11 | Dashkal | ckknight: Not really. The first 5 don't really count. I didn't begin to actually progress until grade 6. |
| 22:37.18 | ckknight | okay |
| 22:37.25 | ckknight | yea, I really started at age 10 |
| 22:37.29 | ckknight | but first tinkered at age 9 |
| 22:37.36 | Dashkal | That was... about '92 |
| 22:37.44 | ckknight | I'm 23 now |
| 22:37.53 | Xyphoid | so, who else learnt from the Usborne microcomputer programming books |
| 22:37.55 | ckknight | so that would've been '97 |
| 22:37.58 | Dashkal | I turn 29 in a couple months. Get off my lawn. |
| 22:38.14 | ckknight | don't make me create a metatable that recursively invades your lawn, Dashkal |
| 22:38.25 | Lunessa | I started learning to program in '80-'81 really. No one I knew could afford computers for home use and local schools weren't teaching. I had to steal time on machines at Radio Shack and Sears or at the local community college when no one was looking. |
| 22:38.39 | Adys | I'M 12 YEARS OLD AND WAT IS THIS |
| 22:38.56 | Shirik | pokes Adys |
| 22:38.59 | Adys | Sup. |
| 22:39.11 | amro | adys loves php. |
| 22:39.13 | amro | ducks |
| 22:39.29 | Shirik | what's wrong with php |
| 22:39.31 | Adys | amro pees HP. |
| 22:39.57 | Shirik | well, besides everything that's wrong with it |
| 22:40.06 | Adys | your sister |
| 22:40.09 | Mihau | PHP is AMAZING! |
| 22:40.12 | amro | everything that isn't wrong with it is also in fact wrong |
| 22:40.15 | amro | we just don't know it yet |
| 22:42.26 | industrial | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5341349569778507251# |
| 22:42.31 | industrial | oohhhhh my god i cant take it |
| 22:42.33 | Dagmar | Oh you are KIDDING ME |
| 22:42.35 | industrial | :') |
| 22:42.44 | Dagmar | Twice now this netbook has gone through RMA and both times they've failed to fix it |
| 22:42.46 | industrial | I fell to the ground laughing. |
| 22:42.50 | Dagmar | I'm going to make someone cry now |
| 22:42.53 | Dashkal | so much hate for PHP |
| 22:43.05 | Dashkal | WTB Compile time error when using an uninitialized variable. PST |
| 22:43.32 | amro | wait, google video is still alive? |
| 22:43.42 | Xyphoid | hey, the hate for php that ruby programmers have is nothing to the hate php programmers have for it |
| 22:44.00 | amro | true |
| 22:44.38 | Xyphoid | meditate on empty() for a while |
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| 22:48.28 | Dashkal | Xyphoid: The real reason I want errors on uninit is I have a habit of making typos. |
| 22:48.40 | Xyphoid | error_reporting(E_ALL) |
| 22:48.52 | Xyphoid | and you'll get notices for uninitialised variable usage |
| 22:48.55 | Dashkal | ooo |
| 22:49.03 | Dashkal | Wonder if I can make that work. |
| 22:49.08 | amro | even the good things about php are bad |
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| 22:49.16 | amro | that is just so bad |
| 22:49.23 | Dashkal | Using Drupal. They outright _depend_ on things defaulting to null, empty, 0, whatever. |
| 22:49.30 | Xyphoid | it's not ideal but most serious php apps will be notice-clean |
| 22:50.34 | Mihau | You can also set an environment variable that will force Notice errors on uninitialized variables when on the development server, but not on production. |
| 22:50.54 | Dashkal | That would be perfect. |
| 22:51.02 | amro | that's bad all over |
| 22:51.22 | TC-Work | Shirik: http://gizmodo.com/5638032/shooting-1000fps-video-with-a-canon-7d |
| 22:51.41 | Xyphoid | well, it's better to set up your own error handlers and behave differently in dev and production |
| 22:52.10 | amro | am I the only one who thinks you shouldn't have errors in production? |
| 22:52.15 | Xyphoid | suppressing notices on production means that if you do get one then you don't know about it - generally you'll want to log it or something |
| 22:52.19 | amro | or is the new thing running subpar code and suppressing problems? |
| 22:52.31 | Dashkal | Logging is fine on production, I just don't want the end user to see it. |
| 22:52.37 | Dashkal | s/fine/encouraged |
| 22:53.27 | amro | use serverside applications that know about stderr |
| 22:53.28 | Xyphoid | amro: sure, but if you've never had a bug in production you're a better programmer than most |
| 22:54.10 | amro | I'm not talking about all errors |
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| 22:54.19 | Dashkal | My preference is in development, to crash horribly with as much information as possible, and in production to log and recover as much as is feasable. |
| 22:54.26 | amro | but something like uninitialized variables can be caught by proper testing of all code paths |
| 22:54.51 | Dagmar | Built in language checks too |
| 22:55.04 | amro | if you run into a typo/uninitialized var error on production, you're doing it wrong |
| 22:55.07 | Dagmar | ...but mainly, not using stupidly complex variable names. |
| 22:55.18 | amro | well, we all make typos |
| 22:55.28 | amro | the difference is how well we test before going to prod |
| 22:55.48 | Dagmar | ...or what voltage we apply to coders who repeatedly fail. |
| 22:55.52 | Dashkal | I'm one guy. I simply lack the resources for 100% test coverage. |
| 22:56.03 | Dashkal | So I want the language to help as much as is feasable. |
| 22:56.07 | amro | that's fair |
| 22:56.18 | amro | but you can at least add 100% coverage to new code that you write |
| 22:57.09 | Dashkal | Too late for this project, but definitely not too late for the next. I've learned from a few mistakes. |
| 22:57.31 | Dashkal | By too late I mean the only code changes I'm making now are defect fixes. If I have to write lots of new code I'm doing it wrong. |
| 22:57.38 | amro | it is too late to ditch php for the next project? |
| 22:57.59 | Dashkal | yes. My shop specializes in Rapid development of Drupal based sites. |
| 22:58.06 | Dashkal | s/R/r |
| 22:58.07 | Xyphoid | face it, there's php work out there |
| 22:59.08 | amro | yeah, it's a crazy world out there |
| 22:59.44 | Adys | dare you say |
| 22:59.45 | Adys | a jungle |
| 22:59.51 | Dashkal | It's a living, and a decent one. Much as I bitch, it _is_ easy to build a site in PHP. But I'm sticking to Haskell for my own projects. |
| 23:00.33 | amro | ~Adys++ |
| 23:00.51 | amro | nobody's denying it's easy Dashkal |
| 23:01.02 | Cide | dare you say |
| 23:01.06 | Cide | a djangole |
| 23:01.10 | Adys | OHHHHHH |
| 23:01.17 | Adys | actually no that was bad |
| 23:01.21 | Cide | yeah :( |
| 23:01.57 | cbreak | I find it easiest to build a site in HTML |
| 23:03.14 | amro | personally, I use Frontpage. |
| 23:03.21 | amro | Frontpage 2000. |
| 23:05.36 | cbreak | I recommend TextWrangler |
| 23:05.45 | cbreak | superior to any text editor microsoft ever produced |
| 23:05.50 | cbreak | and to most others I've seen |
| 23:05.51 | Adys | I do not have pancake butt! |
| 23:07.15 | TC-Work | i have this 'fisker in an Adys costume' feeling |
| 23:07.28 | Adys | I bet you have pancake butt. |
| 23:07.37 | TC-Work | Adys: as in a flat ass? |
| 23:07.38 | amro | usually, it's adys in a fisker costume |
| 23:07.45 | amro | don't ask |
| 23:07.54 | amro | it could be a reference to the taste |
| 23:08.07 | Adys | licks his pancake |
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| 23:11.25 | Fisker | i cannot sleep amro |
| 23:11.29 | Fisker | what the fuck you gonna do? |
| 23:11.33 | amro | invite adys over |
| 23:11.57 | Adys | I am gonna do the fuck, indeed. |
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| 23:12.40 | SqueeG | 'Fred' is proof that the world is ending |
| 23:13.20 | Fisker | i'm gonna fuck you |
| 23:14.22 | Adys | I love how subtle you are |
| 23:20.08 | Shirik | mutes Fisker |
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| 23:49.36 | ktron | So, did they remove /script in 4.0? |
| 23:51.47 | |Jelly| | Blame cog |
| 23:52.35 | ktron | haha, why cog? |
| 23:55.47 | SqueeG | xD |
| 23:56.05 | SqueeG | this : http://cogwheel.info/wow/McRun.html |
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